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Pokémon Exhibition

2017-07-01T02:58:22Z

Valehd: Removed a duplicate

[[File:Pokémon Exhibition.png|thumb|220px|Pokémon Exhibition stage]]
The '''Pokémon Exhibition''' is an annual festival held in [[Florando]]. It is a gigantic outdoor Pokémon entertainment festival where [[Pokémon Trainer]]s and {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} come from around the {{pkmn|world}} to put on shows and perform. This venue is why Florando is famous. The festival, according to {{an|Brock}} and {{an|Misty}}, is advertised in [[Magazines in the Pokémon world|Pokémon Trainer Monthly]].

The Pokémon Exhibition was featured in ''[[EP122|Flower Power]]''.

==Pokémon seen at the Pokémon Exhibition==
{| width="100%"
| {{InactivePoké|Florando|Bellossom|Belle and Bella.png|disp=Belle and Bella|Grass|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Florando|Wartortle|Pokémon Exhibition Water Pokémon.png|disp=Wartortle (×2)|Water|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Florando|Oddish|Pokémon Exhibition Oddish Electrode.png|Grass|Poison|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Florando|Psyduck|Pokémon Exhibition Water Pokémon.png|disp=Psyduck (×2)|Water|link=no}}
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Florando|Mankey|Pokémon Exhibition Mankey.png|disp=Mankey (multiple)|Fighting|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Florando|Poliwhirl|Pokémon Exhibition Water Pokémon.png|disp=Poliwhirl (×2)|Water|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Florando|Alakazam|Pokémon Exhibition Alakazam.png|Psychic|link=no}}
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Florando|Slowpoke|Pokémon Exhibition Water Pokémon.png|disp=Slowpoke (×2)|Water|Psychic|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Florando|Krabby|Pokémon Exhibition Water Pokémon.png|disp=Krabby (×2)|Water|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Florando|Electrode|Pokémon Exhibition Oddish Electrode.png|Electric|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Florando|Starmie|Pokémon Exhibition Water Pokémon.png|Water|Psychic|link=no}}
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Florando|Ditto|Pokémon Exhibition Ditto.png|Normal|link=no}}
| {{InactivePoké|Florando|Flareon|Pokémon Exhibition Flareon.png|Fire|link=no}}
|}

==In other languages==
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[[Category:Festivals and holidays]]

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Talk:Cranidos (Pokémon)

2017-03-29T20:15:07Z

Valehd:

Why no mention that it's the first dinosaur fossil?
([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 23:37, 17 September 2013 (UTC)).

Because Aerodactyl is a dinosaur. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 20:14, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Cranidos (Pokémon)

2017-03-29T20:14:53Z

Valehd:

Why no mention that it's the first dinosaur fossil?
([[User:Jetison|Jetison]] ([[User talk:Jetison|talk]]) 23:37, 17 September 2013 (UTC)).
Because Aerodactyl is a dinosaur. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 20:14, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Pickup (Ability)

2017-02-26T16:14:07Z

Valehd: /* Pretty Wing in Sun/Moon */

== Zigzagoon and Linoone abilities? ==

zigzagoon & linoone have a second ability now, fyi --[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 10:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:Working on that. [[User:Gambler|Gambler]] 23:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::Should we separate it based on R/S and D/P? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 05:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:::You think? Isn't that too much work? After all, when D/P are here not many people are going to care about G III. [[User:Gambler|Gambler]] 05:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::::What if you add something like an asterisk, and underneath note that pokemon marked with an asterisk have only pickup in generation III? [[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 11:06, September 13 2007
:::::Well, now, personally, I think that it should be left as is. People will note that the ability beneath wasn't there in Gen III, so therefore, Zigzagoon/Linoone/whatever else couldn't have it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 08:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::That's assuming everyone looking at the page knows by memory which are new in IV, and it can't really hurt the article to have that memo added can it? [[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 18:25 September 15, 2007

== Gale Of Darkness? ==

Some Pokemon have this ability in Gale of Darkness. Anyone know the chart of what is grabbed?[[User:Machinedramon|Machinedramon]] 01:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
* Indeed, the results are unique to XD and possibly colo (Great Balls, no repel.) --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 17:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
* I can confirm that with my team of 91+ Linoone I've picked up all the level appropriate items listed in the Emerald chart EXCEPT the TM for Earthquake( yet, hopefully ). As XD was released AFTER Emerald should I just go ahead and list the two together under the same chart? [[User:FromCrimsonToWool|FromCrimsonToWool]] ([[User talk:FromCrimsonToWool|talk]]) 19:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

== Multiple Pickups ==

I've tried making a party with a meowth, a linoone, a phanpy, a pachirisu and an aipom who all have pickup but only one will pickup an item at a time. this may be a coincidence as I havn't been doing it for very long but if anyone else notices this it might be worth mentioning on the page. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 00:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
:It's coincidence. I have a team of six Pachirisus; I just tested, and two of them were able to pickup in the same battle. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 02:02, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

::Each Pickup works individually. If you're really lucky, you could take a team of six Pickuppers into a battle and all six could Pickup an item after each battle. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

:::I would like to verify this claim as well. As the same applies to the ability Honey Gather. As a result, it is possible to initiate a honey harvest with a full party of Combee. --[[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 17:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

:::It does seem, however, that you need to actually use the Pokémon in battle. I could be wrong, but I've never seen a pickup with someone I didn't use. [[User:Fire95|Fire95]] 03:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

:::You do NOT have to use the particular Pokémon in battle. [[User:FromCrimsonToWool|FromCrimsonToWool]] ([[User talk:FromCrimsonToWool|talk]]) 19:42, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

== Double Hyper Potions? ==
In the chart, for levels 1-10 of Diamond and Pearl, it lists Hyper Potion twice, in the 5% and the 1% sections. So, is it 6%, or is it one or the other, or what? [[User:TCABF|TCABF]] 21:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:No, there's a mistake there. Thanks for picking that up. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== pokémon mystery dungeon ==
What effect does this ability have in pokémon mystery dungeon?--[[User:Fern 24|Fern]] [[User talk:Fern 24|24]] 06:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:This is a very late response, but the pickup ability is still not noted here. Pickup will let the Pokémon find a random item (haven't done any testing of ''what'' though) on chance when moving down floors. How to integrate it into this article? It's a challenge. It would need to be noted in the "in battle" and "outside of battle" sections, I think. -- [[User:Pokey|Pokey]] 15:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
::I believe that it is a random item that is able to appear on that floor that is picked up. It would be in a "In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon" sub-section under "Effect". --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::It seems that this still hasn't been adressed. Picking up an item that can be found on the floor definitely sounds right, but I don't know if a guess should be treated as a fact and I don't have access to the code. [[User:EnosShayrem|Enos]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|Shay]][[Kyurem (Pokémon)|rem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|Talk]] 03:05, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

== 10% chance after a battle ==

Sorry for being a noob, but does running away count as a battle? --[[User:Qwertyasdf|(QQ)∞wertyasdf]] 08:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:Well, initially I thought it would, but after spending half an hour running away from wild Pokémon, neither of my two pickupers have picked anything up yet. That doesn't necessarily mean that running away doesn't count as a battle for the purpose of pickup, I could just be really unlucky at the moment, but each time I run away it gets less likely that it does. In short it seems that it doesn't count as a battle. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:41, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

::Running does not count as a battle. The battle must be finished. I don't know if that means it will work if you lose, but it won't work until the battle is fully completed. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:39, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Would like to note that it doesn't seem to trigger when you catch a pokemon, either (At least not in Emerald). I'm only in Granite Cave at the moment, but my team of 4 Zigzagoons has yet to pick up anything after I've caught something, even after catching 6 Arons while hoping for a good nature - not to mention catching one of each pokemon so far in each route. [[User:Roobertoober|Roobertoober]] 08:12, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

:Ive had a problem where my pokémon with pickup can't pick up items. This is in Pokémon Black and my pokémon has been in at least 30 complete battles and still not picked up any items. I am wondering if this pokemon is not picking up items when it tries to evolve but is canceled after leveling up? [[User:Zombiedude347|Zombiedude347]] ([[User talk:Zombiedude347|talk]]) 13:01, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

== Odds of picking up an item in Generation III? ==

Neither the chart for FR/LG nor Ruby/Sapphire explains why the percentages listed don't add up even close to 100%. Someone who knows wtf, please explain. {{unsigned|Doctorhook}}
:it means that the other 70% of the time you pick-up nothing. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:26, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::It doesn't come close in D/P either. maybe in gen III its ~3% and in gen IV its ~5%? Because playing the game you can tell the pickup rate is not 10%. [[User:Fire95|Fire95]] 03:24, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

==Error in tables==
In Pokemon Soul Silver, my level 51 Linoone just picked up an Iron Ball. According to the chart, that should be impossible. Perhaps some verification of the charts is called for. [[User:Istanbul|Istanbul]]
:I'm guessing that it had recently leveled up from level 50, where picking up an [[Iron Ball]] is possible. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hmm... did you level up during the battle right before you noticed? Or did you not notice for a while, level up, and then notice later? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::According to my guide, Lucky Eggs are not a pickup item so they should be replaced with Iron Ball and then Ether is to go where Iron Ball presently is. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:38, 3 May 2010 (UTC))
::::I've received three more Iron Balls from my level 51 Linoones since then. I can categorically state without a hint of doubt that obtaining Iron Balls from a level 51 Linoone is definitely possible. It's still a rare drop, but I've tested this to death. [[User:Istanbul|Istanbul]]
:::::Well Serebii agrees with us, but I think someone with "the know-how" should take a look at the game's code to see what it really is. Perhaps HG and SS have different Pickup lists, and we have Heart Gold's. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:03, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Serebii knows his values are wrong... the real question is WHY are they the same... ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 09:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC))
:::::::There, I fixed the list... may this be a reminder to the next person who decides to just copy from serebii.net without checking the information out themselves first. Before anyone asks, no, the double Full Heals for levels 1-10 was not an error. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 11:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC))
::::::::If they're not an error, then how is it possible? [[User:KurosakisTwin|KurosakisTwin]] 05:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Merely Full Heal is coded twice in the game. Once for each rate. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:00, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think Black/White may have a similar error. I just pulled an Iron Ball off of my Level 52 Lillipup in White.[[User:Zereijin|Zereijin]] 09:14, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

== 10% chance ==

Does anyone know if this percentage has changed for gen V? I've been keeping a Yorterrie as a Pickup slave in my White version but it has only ever picked up an item once, even though I've been in like... at least fifty battles.

Has there been a change, or am I just that unlucky? :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 16:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

== Different Item lists for Battle Pyramid? ==

Acording to this paage (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sacred_Ash#Generation_III) you can get Sacred Ash through pickup in the Battle Frontier Pyramid in Emerald. I also got an item there that is not int he list. Is this correct? Is there a different list when you are in the Battle Pyramid? [[User:Migrant|Migrant]] 15:13, 29 October 2010 (UTC) Migrant
:Yes, the Battle Pyramid has a different item system. Unfortunately, we don't seem to have any information on that at the moment :/ —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:12, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
::[http://www.psypokes.com/rsefrlg/pickup.php Here] is one such list for the Battle Pyramid, although I can't vouch for its accuracy. {{unsigned|GoldenSandslash15}}

== Max Elixer ==

In Soul Silver, my level 91 pickup frequently finds Max Elixer, which is not on any hg/ss chart I have found. The only 91-100 items I have not yet found are leftovers and PP Max. [[User:Ct42|Ct42]] 07:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm having a similar problem with Pokemon White, I'm using my all level 91+ pickup team from gen 4 and my Munchlax just found a Max Ether. I have so far found at least one of
everything except PP Max, Leftovers and Prism Scale which are listed at that range.--[[User:Amplify|Amplify]] 17:43, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
:http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4347642&postcount=956 The theory is that they are both 4% rather than 3% and 5%. Smilarly to how the last 2 are the same percent. It still requires final testing. {{unsigned|Lucky V4.0}}

== Participant? ==

Do Pokemon with Pickup have to participate in the battle to pick up, or can anyone complete the battle? Thanks :) [[User:Toa Orka|Toa Orka]] 21:22, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:No, the Pokémon with Pickup doesn't have to participate in the battle. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 21:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== 10% - 30%? ==

I've been looking this over, and I was noting "...has a 10% chance of picking up an item...", and the fact that the percentages only add up to 49%. Does this mean that each battle only gives a 4.9% chance of giving an ACTUAL item that you can take from your pokemon? Or should I effectively double the item percentages, to get it to 98%, which is in my level of tolerance for such a thing? Or is it simply a 49% chance of picking up an item?

I'm playing Black at the moment, by the way. If that matters. --[[User:Aescula|Aescula]] 10:06, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
:Could probably be clearer, but each column is separate. At any particular level there are six items which have a ten percent chance of being picked up and two items which have a 1% chance of being picked up. i.e. 30 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 5 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 100 [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:25, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
::I see. It has a 10% chance of picking up ANYTHING, and then the table percentages are for WHAT it picks up, given that it does pick up anything. I understand now. Thank you! --[[User:Aescula|Aescula]] 03:12, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

== HGSS Pickup ==

From levels 1-10, Full Heal appears twice... is that correct? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
:No it is not. Full Heal only appears once in Levels 1-10 and that is the the 10% section. The Full Heal in the 1% bit should be a Max Repel. I'll change it now. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 08:56, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

== 4% and 4%, not 3% and 5% ==

It's been discovered that the percentages are 4% and 4% not 3% and 5% for the 3rd and 4th columns to the end. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4347642&postcount=956 [[User:Lucky V4.0|Lucky V4.0]] ([[User talk:Lucky V4.0|talk]]) 16:58, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

After doing some testing, I can confirm that it's "4%+4%" on Pokemon Diamond with Lv100-Pickup-Pokemon, as well. I'm starting to think that it's like that for all levels and possibly all Gen4-games. Can anyone point me to where the "5%+3%" comes from or is confirmed? The official DP-Pokedex2 list both slots as "Occasionally" but none of them as more often than the other. [[User:TCCPhreak|TCCPhreak]] ([[User talk:TCCPhreak|talk]]) 12:39, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

== Incorrect table? ==

My LvL 41 Lillipup just picked up an ether, which isn't in the table for its level, or at all for that matter [[User:Torterra2234|Torterra; Earthquake!]] ([[User talk:Torterra2234|talk]]) 22:38, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
:Are you playing sequels or original games? Because things could change in sequels. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 19:46, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
::Same, in my Black 2 my lv.31 Lillipup seems to have picked up an ether [[User:LadyH|LadyH]] ([[User talk:LadyH|talk]]) 04:29, 28 December 2012 (UTC)LadyH
:::Obviously the table is changed. It's also missing Battle Pyramid and Orre games. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 09:33, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

== Picking up trainer items? ==

I was battling the daily Hugh battle in Driftveil a week ago and my Lillipup pickup slave managed to pickup the focus sash, only to immediately use it after being hit by Hugh's Serperior. Ever since then I've been trying to get my Lillipup to pick up the focus sash with no success.

Does anyone have more information on how pickup works on trainer consumables? Is it a percentage chance like for other items, or am I doing something wrong? Originally, I switched Lillipup in more than a turn after the Serperior had used the Focus Sash, as well as died. I'd really like to keep that Focus Sash. [[User:Rimas lxbya|Rimas lxbya]] ([[User talk:Rimas lxbya|talk]]) 04:11, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I guess my memory was a bit shady when I posted this, because a couple of days after I posted that, I went back with and triggered the Focus Sash with my Ambipom, at which point Ambipom picked it up. The Focus Sash was not used up while Ambipom was holding it, but he still did not keep it once the battle was over. It seems you cannot keep items you obtain through pickup in a trainer battle. [[User:Rimas lxbya|Rimas lxbya]] ([[User talk:Rimas lxbya|talk]]) 00:49, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

== Source for Diamond Pickup Table ==

I plan to correct the table for diamond/pearl/platinum; thought I'd source it before:

english diamond, offset 1DDB64 has the table for the "non-rare" items. First nine items are for the Lv01-Lv10-row:
<code>
* 1100 Potion
* 1200 Antidote
* 1a00 Super Potion
* 0300 Great Ball
* 4f00 Repel
* 4e00 Escape Rope
* 1b00 Full Heal
* 1900 Hyper Potion
* 0200 Ultra Ball
* 1c00 Revive
</code>

afterwards, only the new item is supplied:
<code>
* 3200 Rare Candy (starting Lv11, Potion is shifted out)
* 6C00 Dusk Stone (starting Lv21, Antidote is shifted out)
* 6B00 Shiny Stone (starting Lv31)
* 6D00 Dawn Stone
* 1700 Full Restore
* 1D00 Max Revive
* 3300 PP Up
* 2900 Max Elixir
</code>

offset 1DDA88 has the rare items, same shifting but with only two slots, it doesn't look as diagonal as the non-rare-slots:
<code>
* 1900 Hyper Potion
* 5C00 Nugget
* DD00 King's Rock
* 1700 Full Restore
* 2600 Ether
* D600 White Herb
* 7301 TM44
* 2800 Elixir
* 4801 TM01
* EA00 Leftovers
* 6101 TM26
</code>
Note that the first item is Hyper Potion - not Revive. Official Pokedex2 confirms Hyper Potion. I guess, most of the other tables on the net were copied from the same (wrong) source.
--[[User:TCCPhreak|TCCPhreak]] ([[User talk:TCCPhreak|talk]]) 12:29, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

== Generation VI ==

My Lv. 56 Linoone just picked up an Iron Ball. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 21:07, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
: And now an Escape Rope and a Prism Scale. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 21:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
: And now a Full Heal. My Level 61 Linoone also picked up a Full Heal. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:53, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
: My level 61 picked up a Rare Candy [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:07, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
: My level 52 also picked up a Rare Candy [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 03:15, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
: My level 33 picked up an Ether [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 04:15, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

My Lv. 87 Linoone picked up an everstone?--[[User:FrozenLinkz|FrozenLinkz]] ([[User talk:FrozenLinkz|talk]]) 19:16, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
: Hey, this isn't 6 months old! Yeah, my level 66 Linoone just picked up an Elixir. I don't think this list is quite correct. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 23:39, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

== Source for Generation VI ==
0x4455A8 in exefs\code.bin- Pickup items (Discovered by magical)

Same structure as DPPt, and is identical to B2W2. I'm thinking Everstone may be an incorrect report or a nonstandard edge case.

// Base: Slots 0-8
// Take 9
// Start at Entry: Level/10
* 11 00 - Potion
* 12 00 - Antidote
* 1A 00 - Super Potion
* 03 00 - Great Ball
* 4F 00 - Repel
* 4E 00 - Escape Rope
* 1B 00 - Full Heal
* 19 00 - Hyper Potion
* 02 00 - Ultra Ball
--end 01-10
* 1C 00 - Revive
* 32 00 - Rare Candy
* 50 00 - Sun Stone
* 51 00 - Moon Stone
* 5D 00 - Heart Scale
* 17 00 - Full Restore
* 1D 00 - Max Revive
* 33 00 - PP Up
* 29 00 - Max Elixir

// Rare: Slots 9-10
// Take 2
// Start at Entry: Level/10
* 19 00 - Hyper Potion
* 5C 00 - Nugget
* DD 00 - King's Rock
* 17 00 - Full Restore
* 26 00 - Ether
* 16 01 - Iron Ball
* 19 02 - Prism Scale
* 28 00 - Elixir
* 19 02 - Prism Scale
* EA 00 - Leftovers
* 19 02 - Prism Scale

-- [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] ([[User talk:Kaphotics|talk]]) 04:25, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

== Colosseum Pickups ==

I just got Aipom while playing Pokémon Colosseum. From what I've seen so far, his pickups at level 43 while in in Shadow mode are a Full Heal, a Full Restore, a Rare Candy, and an Ultra Ball. Except for the Super Potions this is looking like the Ruby and Sapphire pickups, or maybe other levels of the Emerald pickups. I'll keep tracking it until I can (or can't) prove it fits under any previous games.

More info:
2 more pickups from Aipom while in Shadow mode, a super potion and another full heal. I purified him (still at level 43) and the next battle I was in I got a revive. It is looking more and more like the Ruby and Sapphire list of items that can be picked up. [[User:Cyalknight|Cyal (LeafGreen&Emerald)]] ([[User talk:Cyalknight|talk]]) 06:46, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

1 - Revive
4 - Full Heal
5 - Rare Candy
1 - Ultra Ball
1 - Nugget
5 - Super Potions
1 - PP Up
1 - Full Restore
This is the list I am making of the items that the purified Aipom has picked up at level 43. The only 3rd Gen list we have of pickups that include both Nugget and Revive at the same level is the Ruby and Sapphire list. But because of the rarity of Super Potions it might not be that list. If an experienced editor wants to include the full list of items on the Pickup (Ability) page, or a link for more information in the talk page, that would be fine. I will probably keep updating this current list as I go along or until something changes. [[User:Cyalknight|Cyal (LeafGreen&Emerald)]] ([[User talk:Cyalknight|talk]]) 17:12, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

I am back and adding a full heal, 3 rare candies, 5 super potions, a PP up, and a full restore to the above list. They are added in the order I got them. I might put them in the order listed for Ruby and Sapphire. It is still has the items from the Ruby Sapphire list, but possibly not the same percentages. [[User:Cyalknight|Cyal (LeafGreen&Emerald)]] ([[User talk:Cyalknight|talk]]) 12:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Item name ---- ## - %Col? - %RS

Super Potion - 16 -- 32.0 -- 30
Ultra Ball ---- 4 --- 8.0 -- 10
Full Restore -- 2 --- 4.0 -- 10
Full Heal ----- 7 -- 14.0 -- 10
Nugget -------- 7 -- 14.0 -- 10
Revive -------- 2 --- 4.0 -- 10
Rare Candy ---- 8 -- 16.0 -- 10
Protein ------- 2 --- 4.0 --- 5
PP Up --------- 2 --- 4.0 --- 4
King's Rock --- 0 --- 0.0 --- 1

I am back once again and up to 50 items my Aipom has picked up. Here is a new table with the name of the items I've picked up (Item name), the number of items I've picked up (##), the number of items I picked up converted into a percentage (%Col?), and the Ruby Sapphire percentages (%RS). I would like to eventually get this list up to 200 items. Once my Aipom picks up a King's Rock, my suggestion for the Pickup page would be to fill in all the items, but remove the percentages. I'll try to come back when I get to 75 items or if I pick up a King's Rock. [[User:Cyalknight|Cyal (LeafGreen,Emerald&Colosseum)]] ([[User talk:Cyalknight|talk]]) 11:25, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon XD Pickups / Change to Emerald ==

Finally managed to find the routines in (european) Pokemon XD. I think, american offsets are slightly different. Random Number Generator used for pickup trigger is at 0x8025E944; Pickup stuff is done near 0x80140D58. Whether Pickup triggers is checked by integer-dividing the randomnumber by 10, then multiplying it with 10 and comparing with original - if it's zero, the original number was 0 mod 10 - 10% chance and pickup triggers.
To create "always trigger", switch 0x80140d58 from 0x3860000A to 0x38600001 - this changes the factor to 1 and every random number is dividible by 1.
A second random number is generated and the remainder of division by 100 is calculated the same way (int-divide by 100, int-multiply with 100, subtract from original). At one point, this pickup-index is in R30. Breakpoint there and the item for every slot can be chosen. This also allows to calculate the probabilities for items.

First (non-)surprise: The slots are 00-29,30-39,40-49,50-59,60-69,70-79,80-89,90-93,94-97,98,99. Thus giving one 30%, six 10%, two 4% and two 1%-slots. The 5%/3%-division is wrong - and I strongly believe, it also is for emerald. If no one can back the 5%/3%-theory with facts, it should be changed to 4%/4% everywhere.
Table is created as usual. There is the left part (30% to 4%, nine slots. Each level everything is shifted to the left and a new item is introduced into the 94-97-slot) and the right part (1%, two slots. Each level this is shifted to the right and a new item is introduced into the 98-slot).

I tried Zigzagoons-Linoons on every tier and triggered each slot. Some items in the original table just were plain wrong (Escape Rope?) and looked copied from Emerald Table. I cannot rule out that american (or japanese) XD has different slots but I strongly doubt it. Please do some research and provide facts before changing the table).[[User:TCCPhreak|TCCPhreak]] ([[User talk:TCCPhreak|talk]]) 15:06, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
:You changed Emerald's %s because you say 5/3 isn't backed with facts, but you yourself don't actually back your change with fact, just supposition: "I think Emerald is probably like XD." That won't cut it. I would be overjoyed if you researched Emerald's %s and then changed it if it's really 4/4, but until then, we'll roll with 5/3.
:(The 5/3 numbers first appeared on this page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pickup_%28Ability%29&diff=84775&oldid=84772 in November 2006], and a couple revisions later the same user credits Psypoke, [http://www.psypokes.com/lab/pickup.php?version=emerald who says] 5/3 for all of Emerald through HGSS. (Which perhaps means HGSS should be checked too...) I can't personally speak to Psypoke's credibility, but there's your culprit, anyway.)
:I do love this kind of work, though. FWIW, thanks! =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:20, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
:: I already did verify Emerald's percentages: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/past-gen-rng-research.61090/page-42 Post 1031 but forgot to incorporate the result into the Bulbapedia page (or wanted to wait for further verification - do not remember exactly). I'm sorry for not linking to that post in the change comment. Is it okay to rollback the rollback?
:: As for `the original source': Psypoke doesn't present any and apart from Smogon, I can't find much research about it. The 5%/3% split seems to have been copied over and over, maybe starting from psypoke, maybe not. My personal theory is that DPPt was the first one to be examined and the "Hyper Potion in 4% and Hyper Potion in 1%"-anormality was added up, removing 1% from Ultra Ball.. and then the 1% was added again. Possibly this started on a japanese research page and stuff got lost in translation - I'm no historian and eight years in internet time seems a bit long to search for information.
:: HGSS is on my Todo-list. I think it shouldn't be much more complicated than DPPt (although I remember some fun changes around the RNG). As there is no `real' source providing facts for 5%/3% for HGSS, could I object with "it's 4%/4% for every other game - especially the ones in the same generation"? We could change it to "5%?/4%?" and "3%?/4%?" in the table header and provide a tooltip "exact percentage currently in dispute - see talk page".[[User:TCCPhreak|TCCPhreak]] ([[User talk:TCCPhreak|talk]]) 12:40, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
:::I've definitely been through that thread before and that post, but I either missed the difference here or forgot to update it... But yeah, that's perfect, for me. You make a good point about everything else being 4%/4% too. If HGSS is the odd man out, then yeah, as far as I'm concerned it's OK to presume for the time being that it's a mistake since it (and the others that are now changed) can't be traced back to anything solid. I changed both. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

==Picking up Mega Stones==
Can Pokémon pick up a flung Mega Stone if said Mega Stone does not correspond to either of the Pokémon's species? (If a Primeape flings a Blazikenite at Linoone, for example, can it be picked up?) - [[User:Linneus|Linneus]] ([[User talk:Linneus|talk]]) 20:56, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
:{{m|Fling}} does not work on a Mega Stone. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:13, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

== Starting the OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire Item list? ==

Is it safe to assume that ORAS uses the same table structure as every other game since generation 3.5 (30/6x10/2x4/2x1; 10 Level-tiers; each at [0-9]1; rotating out the 30% and one 1% at the start of every tier)? I'm currently doing experiments (full pickup team, levelling it parallel to my playthrough) and although randomness makes it hard to present the results as facts, there are some things I am very sure of:
* Conclusions/Guesses from Lv01:
** Potion should be LV01, 30%. Got 50 of them and only 18 of the runner-up.
** Nugget should be LV01, 1%. Got a single one, every other item has at least 7.
** Great Ball, Escape Rope, Repel, Full Heal, Super Potion, Antidote are candidates for Lv01, 10%. Those are six items with a similar amount of occurances (14-18). Higher levels can verify this assumption and determine exact order.
** Ultra Ball is a candidate for Lv01, 4%. Seven occurances.
** Hyper Potion is a candidate for the other Lv01, 4%. Got it nine times.
** Either I was very unlucky with finding the eleventh item or it already exists in another column. My guess is Hyper Potion. For the size of this experiment (total number of pickups: 165), nine occurances seem a bit high and the contrast to Ultra Ball indicates that some of them were from a 1%-slot. Also, Hyper Potion in two columns was observed in other games. Unfortunately, this hypothesis can not be verified with higher-level pickup-tiers and could only be falsified by finding a previously non-seen item with a Lv01-tier-pickup-pokemon.
* Conclusions/Guesses from Lv11:
** Found 11 different items. Potion was missing, so it was rotated out and LV01, 30% is proven (if we assume the same table structure)
** Antidote was super-common (109 times, runner-up was 43). This is a proof for LV01, 10%@1. It also is a very good candidate for LV11, 30%
** Great Ball, Repel, Full Heal, Escape Rope, Super Potion and Hyper Potion are six items and their numbers are near each other and far from everything else (31-43). They could be Lv11, 10%. Hyper Potion being candidate for Lv01,4% and Lv11,10% proposes Lv01,4%@1 and Lv11,10%@6.
** King's Rock and Nugget are rare. Got two of each. Nearest other was 10. This indicates Lv11,1% for both of them and proposes Lv01,1%@1 for Nugget. Note that both of them have been 1% in other games.
** Revive and Ultra Ball (10 and 18) both were more common than the 1% candidates rarer than the 10% candidates. Revive was not observed at Lv01, making it a good Lv11,4%@2-candidate. It is noteworthy that Revive seems a bit underpresented for 4%; yet I am not willing to return to a 3/5 assumption and rather assume "bad luck".
* Conclusions/Guess from Lv21:
** Only got 10 different items (42 in total) so those are far from final...
** No Antidotes - yet, but going from super-common to rare has not been seen in any other table. This indicates LV11/30% and Lv01/10%@1.
** Super Potions are starting to get a very good lead on anything else. This could be a sign for Lv21/30% and - in conclucion Lv11/10%@2,Lv01/10%@3.
** Rare Candy has been seen and is absent from Lv11. This indicates Lv21/4%@2. For my taste, it has been seen too often but I expect this random oddity to even out after more collected items.
** King's Rock has been seen. I assume it is Lv21/1%@2 (and Lv11/1%@1) but have to wait whether it rotates out at Lv31.
** No other table had 4%+1% anywhere else but at Lv01 so I expect an eleventh item to show up sooner or later. As this is expected to be Lv21/1%, this is a matter of luck.
All in all this is starting to look as if only small changes had been made to the X/Y (and BW2)-tables - if any were made at all. The Prism Scale might be replaced with something else (for obvious reasons).
Small update: Percentages look okay most of the time (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VOirGRhCQpqAf4R3i_Pum_aZG2n8c0FZMLuzXRkLaYE/edit?usp=sharing). Table is prepared for more than one data-collector. Anyone wanna join?
[[User:TCCPhreak|TCCPhreak]] ([[User talk:TCCPhreak|talk]]) 19:31, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
:ORAS uses the same general structure as X/Y in terms of the item list. Back when I dumped data from the demo, the only pickup change was swapping Prism Scale for Destiny Knot [http://pastebin.com/zPgwx6mb]. — [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] ([[User talk:Kaphotics|talk]]) 09:04, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
:: I'm a bit surprised that Muddywaterzboy added the list without giving a source - especially as some unsourced information on this page turned out to be wrong, before. It would be nice if this could be added. However, between Kaphotics' data dump, Muddywaterzboy's unnamed source, the similarity to previous tables and my experiments (finished today), I think we can assume this table to be valid.[[User:TCCPhreak|TCCPhreak]] ([[User talk:TCCPhreak|talk]]) 16:02, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Sun and Moon Pickup Items ==

Does anyone know when the Pickup information/probability of all the different items for Pokemon Sun and Moon will be updated? Just wondering if we have the info yet.--[[User:Rithvikkiran|Rithvikkiran]] ([[User talk:Rithvikkiran|talk]]) 21:47, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Last time, someone extracted the tables from the demo, plus I did a counting experiment. If "counting and approximating" is the easiest way: What it the first pickup-capable Pokemon available in Sun/Moon?
--[[User:TCCPhreak|TCCPhreak]] ([[User talk:TCCPhreak|talk]]) 06:47, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

:I'm not a 100% sure, but I think it might be Alolan Meowth.--[[User:Rithvikkiran|Rithvikkiran]] ([[User talk:Rithvikkiran|talk]]) 17:43, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
::Correct; it's also the easiest. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:48, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

In my copy of Moon, I have four Pokémon with Pickup ("Pickup Artists") in my part right now. One is level 35, and the rest are level 41. From my trials, it seems Great Balls are the most common. In addition, one was able to find a Destiny Knot within the level 21-30 range. [[User:LittleOmu|LittleOmu]] ([[User talk:LittleOmu|talk]]) 04:01, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

== Pretty Wing in Sun/Moon ==

My Lillipup with the Pickup ability just picked up a Pretty Wing. Can we add Pretty Wing to the list of items that can be picked up in Sun and Moon? {{unsigned|Valehd}}
I also got a Sitrus Berry. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 16:14, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Pickup (Ability)

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Valehd: Replaced content with "Hey. My old page was too much cancer so I had to change it. My YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFUXPXCBIDVzu1XZ-AT7LQw I know, I suck."

Hey. My old page was too much cancer so I had to change it.

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I know, I suck.

Talk:Evolution

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Ummmm.... The bit about Eevees at the end is plain wrong. Things don't evolve due to their environment. It is merely that the creatures that have a favourable variation survive to produce offspring and pass on their genes, and so more things have the variation than don't. This is like junior high-level knowledge. [[User:DanJimi|DanJimi]] 10:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

at the list of non-evolving pokemon, you see the last pkmn is aerodactyl but next to it is a picture of an kabutops

== Phione ==

I put Phione on the list of non evolving non legendaries, and it keeps getting removed. WHY???? It's not as though Phione is legendary. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 02:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:Because in some people's minds, it is legendary. :/ [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

But it's not confirmed to be legendary. And IMO, the fact that one can recruit multiple Phione in MD2 PROVES conclusively that Phione is not a legendary (In the MD games, legendaries are strictly limited to one per game). --
''[[Glitch Pokémon|Glitch]] and [[Pokémon|Official]] Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|should be considered equal]]!-- quoted by {{u|Missingno. Master}}
 15:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:Please see your talk page, Missigno.Master. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 15:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

If it isn't a legendary, why is it banned from the battle tower? It's definitely not because of it's battle prowess. No. It's because it's normally unavailable in normal play. You still need access to Manaphy to get them.

It's no legendary, but it's still an event Pokémon in a sense. - PDL
:The only Pokémon banned from the Battle Tower are legendary. Phione is legendary, albeit the crappiest of them. Plus, Missingno Master, you might wanna do something OTHER than just adding Phione in there, such as, oh, changing the count to 43 and making it so the table isn't f'd up.
:Plus, here's the thing: how much of a chance does Phione have of getting evolutionary relatives? ZERO! It has Manaphy. The other 42 have at least a chance of that.
:Jeez, I understand being the devil's advocate, but Phione just isn't worth it. It sucks in battle, sure, but so do many other legendaries. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 08:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
::Devil's advocate? I wasn't suggesting that Phione should be listed >_>. However, I suppose I wasn't making myself clear enough. - PDL
:::No, the Pokémon banned from the Battle Tower are in the Uber tier. Note that Cresselia isn't banned, it's in the OU tier as well. Is it legendary? Hell yeah. (Yet it can compete in Uber if it really wants to..) [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
::::See, that's where fan definitions suck. Everything banned from the BT is legendary, the only exceptions to this are the normal legendary trios of each region (meaning, of course, that GKR and DPG aren't ''normal'' trios. They're mascot trios, though Giratina's not a mascot... but hey, it's a better name than other stuff), the Lati duo, Cressy, and Heatran. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 23:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Ahem. Phione is now officially not a legendary. [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008 1] I take it this means I was justified in putting it back in the non-evolving non-legendary box thingy? --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 11:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Even if we assume that Phione is not legendary, which is unsubtantiated unless claimed or alluded to by the designers (that is, not any low-rank employee of an ''affiliated'' company), it still has no place on the list. The reason for this is that the list shows all Pokémon with ''some'' chance to evolve in later installments of the game. It has been observed, and in fact referenced in the Diamond and Pearl games, that legendaries need not evolve because they have reached their maximum potential as-is; therefore, there is no chance for any of the legendaries to evolve.

:It so happens that regardless of whether Phione is classified as legendary or not, there is no reason to believe that it will ever evolve. If it were to evolve, it would evolve into Manaphy, as any other scenario would be cumbersome (a legendary spawning a species not from its own family). However, the reason behind the fact that Phione does not evolve into Manaphy, which is that Manaphy is unique, will continue to hold beyond the current generation. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 14:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

:Missingno. Master, you do realize that link confirms that Phione ''is'' a Legendary, right? [[User:Gligar|Gligar]] 15:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

::This conversation is from six months ago. Pokémon.com did list Phione as a non-legendary for a time, then changed it to a legendary status. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

==Anime Evolution==
In regards to the relation between the evolution in the anime than in the games. Wouldn't The anime be more reasonably sound than the games. Because I doubt that if Pokemon were real that most of these evolutions would occur exactly as in the games. The way I see it, the only reason why a certain Pokemon evolves the way it does in the game (with the exception of evolutionary stones and such) is to make it difficult for the player and it would be easier for a Pokemon Game developer if they limited it to one specific set of circumstances.

Granted there are a few exceptions: Such as evolutionary stones, and specific locations for a Pokemon to evolve, and perhaps it knowing a certain move. Though with Evolutionary stones, in an episode it said that the wind was able to carry evolutionary stones, so couldn't certain Pokemon evolve that way when it appears it just evolves naturally or mysteriously?

As for leveling up and trading, those just seem to make it more difficult for a trainer of the games to obtain Pokemon, that could easily be gotten by easier methods. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 13:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

== new to community, first post ==

I'd like to add my finding in, I thought evolution however I'm not really sure how to add it in, and where it would go. I was trying to figure out if a pokémon whose evolution has been delayed would be as strong as the same pokémon of the same level and a "natural" evolution so what I did is I took a Pidgey and used rare candies to evolve it to 25 not allowing it to evolve until 27 the stats were as follows
71HP
39ATK
38DFNS
32SPATK
35SPDFNS
42Spd
I then reset the game
and gave the same pidgey rare candies this time allowing it the "natural" evolution at level 18 when it got to level 25 the stats were as follows
71HP
39ATK
38DFNS
32SPATK
35SPDFNS
42Spd

so we can infer that the level the pokémon evolves at does not affect the stats. If anyone wants to suggest a heading to put this in, or even shorten it up, by all means

== About the comment at the page bottom ==

EVOLUTION IS NOT ABOUT CELL STRUCTURE. Eevee's evolution isn't akin AT ALL to real evolution. Evolution is triggered by Natural Selection, therefore, a single species cannot evolve. Only a population can. Just thought to make a side note. [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 09:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I'm a Biology student, evolution is about animals with favourable adaptations being statistically more likely to survive and so over many generations the favourable adaptations are spread throughout a population. Eevee's evolution is no way close enough to real evolution to get a mention, I will remove the sentence now... [[User:Prof. Pine|Prof. Pine]] 19:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== De-volution ==

Umm... Is it worth metioning in the article that only mentioned instances of "de-volution" is in Slowbro's pokedex entries. (When it loses its shellder) --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 21:28, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

: In the Pocket Monsters manga, It is also possible to De-volve as Isamu Akai's Clefairy evolved into a clefable and then back. Should this be added into the article as a subcategory, or as trivia? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 21:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Gender-related evolutions ==
It's worth noting that some evolutions occur (or don't occur) if a pokemon's a certain gender.

* Combee only evolves if it's female
* Kirlia will only evolve into a Gallade if it's male
* and Snorunt into Frosslass when female.

I thought this would be in the article, but Combee wasn't mentioned at all. [[User:LordHeinz|LordHeinz]] 00:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:All fixed I hope. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:54, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== Generation IV: Vulpix and Growlithe ==

Beginning with [[Generation IV]], it is now possible to get a Level 1 Ninetales/Arcanine by hatching a Vulpix/Growlithe Egg received from breeding and evolving the newly hatched Vulpix/Growlithe with a Fire Stone, making Vulpix and Growlithe the first Pokémon that can evolve to their final stage of evolution at the lowest level ever.
Unfortunately, the greatest trade-off of such an extremely premature evolution can be a poor move set which is very severe for Ninetales since it doesn't have any moves that it can learn by leveling up. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 09:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
: This severe trade-off, however, can be alleviated to some degree through Move Tutoring and the use of TM/HMs. Therefore, it is merely a matter of choice between high stats and a reliable move set for either Pokémon. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 10:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:They aren't the first to do this. I can't remember for sure off the top of my head, but so can Togepi, Budew, and... yeah, it's early right now. Sorry. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
::Togepi and Budew do need to level up to evolve; however, it's true that many Pokémon can now evolve at Level 1. Staryu, Scyther, Onix, Porygon AND Porygon 2... basically any Pokémon which can both hatch from an egg and evolve without leveling up. So no, this isn't too notable. Although, come to think of it, perhaps Porygon ought to be mentioned, seeing as it's the only one to be able to evolve twice without leveling up. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:29, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's noted on {{p|Porygon-Z}}'s and {{p|Roserade}}'s pages that they are the only two Fully evolved three-stage Pokémon which can be legitimately obtained at level 1, and I think it might be noted on some of the others' pages that they can be legitimately obtained at level 1. Question is though, is it worth mentioning it here? Because it could be slightly irrelevant, as the ability to obtain them at level 1 isn't ''that much'' related to evolution. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Budew can't evolve at level 1 though, which is why Porygon's family is more notable. But, if we were to go with "fully evolved" instead of Porygon's family being able to evolve twice at level 1, then we could throw Budew's family in there. But I'm more in favor of Porygon only. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:34, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Something like "Porygon/Porygon2/Porygon-Z is the only Pokémon that can evolve twice and still be at level 1." might fit nicely. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::I've reevaluated the relevance and importance of this information and came to the conclusion that it is valuable to players who want to go for the '''highest possible Stats''' for those particular Pokémon.--[[User:Arima|Arima]] 03:38, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::::It's possible to skip Budew altogether. The only way to get it through breeding is through having one parent hold a rose incense. - [[User:Gold Dialga|Gold Dialga]]

== A Generation V image can't be uploaded. ==

I made an image which is about Snivy's evolution, but it can't be uploaded. It says "Error creating thumbnail:". Is it too big? At first it was 2MB, but now it is 830KB but still can't be uploaded. What should I do?
I'm sorry for my poor English.--[[User:847418742|Togekiss of Moon]] 12:13, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Each generation introduces a new method of evolution.
Generation I introduces level-up, trading, and evolutionary stones.
Generation II introduces level-up with high happiness and trading while holding an item.
Generation III introduces level-up with high beauty condition.
Generation IV introduces level-up while knowing a certain move, level-up while holding a certain item, and level-up in a certain location.
Generation V introduces trading for a specific Pokémon. Should I add this to the trivia? [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:02, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

== Evolution by level at level 100. ==

As far as I know, an evolution by level is triggered by an actual level-up sequence, thus a level 100 unevolved pokemon can't evolve by level. I couldn't find a mention of this in the article. Is it accurate, and should it be either denied or confirmed by the article? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 10:00, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, a level 100 Pokémon that evolves through level-up can't evolve. I don't think that this is important enough to mention though... but that's just my opinion. [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 02:53, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
::It's implied in the [[Methods of evolution]] article, where it is stated that a Pokémon evolves due to three triggers, when being a level up. Obviously a Lv. 100 Pokémon cannot level up, so can't evolve if leveling up is their trigger. But I wouldn't know where to put it in this article. If the trigger is an [[evolutionary stone]] or a [[trade]], then it still can. [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 23:35, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

==Real-world evolution==
"''the existence of "extinct" Pokémon backs this up''"

That's completely wrong. A species becoming extinct has nothing to do with evolution... it only has to do with evolving in the case that one species no longer exists because it became another species (like a mammoth evolving into an elephant). If it's just gone then that means nothing... dinosaurs are extinct and they didn't evolve into anything. Likewise, there's no evidence that the "extinct" Pokémon evolved into something else. They most likely just died out completely unchanged. [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 03:18, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

== Alternate forms of evolution ==

In Pokemon Snap, a Charmeleon evolves into Charizard if knocked into a vat of lava, and a Magikarp evolves into Gyarados if knocked into a waterfall. I believe these should be added. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] ([[User talk:Jdrawer|talk]]) 02:06, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
:Those aren't really conditions. Ash's Charmeleon evolved just because it was angry at an Aerodactyl and wanted to beat it in a fight. Magikarp seem to be able to evolve whenever they feel threatened as well, such as when James kicked his into the ocean in frustration. Evolution conditions aren't limited to how they work in the main games. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:17, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

== Halted Evolution - Bug? Safeguard? ==

So I was just playing through LeafGreen here, having a {{p|Beldum}} as my starter *cough*, when I got it to level 20 in Mt. Moon. It stopped evolving, and the only message was "?". Was this maybe because I didn't have the National Pokédex yet? --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 01:56, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
:In FRLG, to stop you from getting Pokémon like <s>Golbat</s> Crobat and Blissey prior to getting the National Pokédex, any Pokémon evolving into a non-Kanto Pokémon will not evolve if you don't have the National Pokédex. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:04, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

== Conquest: Warrior Transformation ==

In Pokémon Conquest, Warrior Transformation is noted as being similar to Pokémon evolution. Does that deserve its own article, or should we make a section here? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 05:34, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolution ==

I know it's more of a form change, but I was just wondering how we are handling Mega Evolution. I'm assuming it will get its own page, or at least own section of a page on either here or the form page. I'd assume we should have a list of all Pokemon with Mega Evolution's. If someone's already working on this, I apologize, but I did a search and couldn't find anything.[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 06:22, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:I think the admins are holding off on making any big decisions about it until we get the English-language information on it, which is expected in a few days. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:07, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

==Adding==
I wanted to add one phrase into in other languages section, but it seems the page is locked and I can't edit a thing. Can somebody help me to add "{{tt|perkembangan|evolution in Malay language}}" into the section that I mentioned just now?? Thanks! [[User:Esther Siaw|Esther Siaw]] ([[User talk:Esther Siaw|talk]]) 13:52, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

== Menu sprites for Kalos Pokémon ==

Don't forget to add the menu sprites for the Pokémon introduced in Generation VI, that's because we're up to this generation. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 06:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

== Goodra ==

Should the method by which Sliggoo evolves into Goodra be mentioned as unique in the Methods section, or does that sort of count as a location-based evolution? -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|talk]] 06:08, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

:This method is unique, you level up Sliggoo to level 50 and if it's raining in the overworld, it will evolve into Goodra. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 07:05, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

::I understand the evolution method, what I was wondering is if it would be categorized as, technically, a location-based evolution since there's only overworld rain in certain areas. I'm just going to add it and it'll be removed if someone important doesn't like it there. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|talk]] 08:06, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

== Shedinja and Poké Ball in Generation VI ==

In Generation VI, does Nincada require a Poké Ball in its bag and a spare spot in its party to evolve into Ninjask and Shedinja begins to appear in party? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 00:23, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

== Consistency ==

There's little to no consistency among the advantages of branched evolutions. I think one method, such as listing relevant stats or just relevant stat increases, should be used, rather than numerous methods. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 00:48, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

== Semi-Protection ==

Will any staff member semi-protect this page to prevent new users from editing it. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 22:31, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

== Evolution and pokémon types ==

Should i add that that eevee is the only pokémon to completely change types upon evolution (meaning that eevee's type is different from any of the current eevee evolutions), or am I forgetting any other pokémon? Prussiadoge 21:49, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
:Gloom.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:33, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
::Gloom is Grass/Poison but Bellossom is pure Grass; it's not a "complete" type-change. [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] ([[User talk:Starscream|talk]]) 20:56, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, my mistake. I meant Swablu, who goes from Normal/Fairy to Dragon/Fairy. Not sure why I mentioned Gloom.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:47, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
::::Dang it, Normal/'''Flying''' to Dragon/Flying. Also, Onix goes from Rock/Ground to Steel/Ground.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:54, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

== In other generations ==
I managed to make a new "in other generations" section. I don't know, but it could be better than it is here. So maybe we have to use it? It is on the page [[User:Lokki/Evolution New Template]]. Should we use it? Because here there isn't any gen.III image. [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 09:23, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

== Just wondering... ==

I accidentally stopped my Litten from evolving :( Is it possible for it to evolve into Torracat and then into Incineroar afterwards?

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== Redlink on your userpage ==

Due to the way you coded your infobox template, putting Mega Charizard X in favpkmn is making a redlink to Mega Charizard X (Pokémon). If you could fix that, it'd be appreciated. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 21:40, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
:Do you know how to fix it? I am not an expert on code. I think it requires #if or #switch tags. So, could you tell me the code to do that? → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 04:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
::Should just need to change the first favpkmn call to a new parameter. Use favpkmn for the page link (so you'd put Charizard), then the new parameter for the name you want displayed. And you know we have a [[Template:MSP|template]] for menu sprites that automatically adds the (Pokémon). [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 12:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
:::It's fixed now, though I'll make some more changes in the future. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 12:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

== Hindi titles of episodes ==

May I help you by adding Hindi titles of episodes? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 16:51, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
:Actually, I've completed adding the Hindi titles of all episodes aired uptill now. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 08:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
::Actually, not only that, but also Hindi typing? Also, when in Future, new episodes will be aired that time there title names will I help that time in adding them? And I found that many episode articles still don't have their Hindi names? Also, what about the XY Title cards which I said in the chatting on FB? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 10:31, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
:::Which episodes don't have their titles? About XY titles, I told you to add them only when you have proof. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 02:36, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
::::Many episodes of Orange Islands and few episode of Johto Journeys which were not added as at that time the whole Bulbapedia was locked from editing due to that hacking, those all episode articles don't have Hindi titles, as far as I remember. Also, can you please ask Nichiket sir for XY title cards? Please ask him because he didn't replied to my this question other all questions he replied! Please ask him! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 13:40, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::Check again, all episodes have titles. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 13:41, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}Ya, they are added! So will you ask him for XY title cards? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
:I had asked Nachiket Dighe long ago for the titles, he had not given them. So stop asking me to add them. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 11:58, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
::I will try to ask him again and if he doesn't reply me, then you ask him again. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 16:18, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

== Do you know? ==

Pokémon may get banned in India according to many people and also according to many official sources as many people had complained Hungama TV for the show! Should we create a draft for it on Bulbanews? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:45, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
:Everyone are shouting '''WE WANT POKÉMON BACK!!!''' [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
::Excuse me, I have read about that too. And it is spread by one of the Hungama TV fan pages which is claiming to be official. If you have any reliable source, feel free to give it. It is usual for that Hungama TV page to lie, saying that they cannot give out the news article because it is confidential. They are completely wrong, because news articles are never confidential, and it is read by the public. --~~[[User:Pokéfan95|ThePokémonFan]][[User talk:Pokéfan95|Since]][[Special:Contributions/Pokéfan95|1995]]~~-- 10:57, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
:::Hungama TV still airs Pokemon episodes at 1:00 (even though old ones) and CN airs episodes at 11:00. So I would say that it is not banned. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 11:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
::::Ya, you are right, the info may be fake. Now that page is claiming that they won and Pokemon will not be banned in India, but we know that before also it was not going to be ban. LOL XD [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 16:17, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::Which page? → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 9:43 AM, July 14, 2015 (IST) 04:13, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::I think that this is a good enough source [https://www.facebook.com/official.hungama/posts/897559943613436?comment_id=898923066810457&offset=0&total_comments=26&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R0%22%7D that] Pokemon is not banned. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 9:46 AM, July 14, 2015 (IST) 04:16, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}That Hungama TV pvt ltd FB page (which has already been proven fake) and they had started this rumor and Pokemon still airs on CN and Hungama so it is too an another good source that it will not ban. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 06:55, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

== FYI ==

You've been mentioned [[User talk:Yash Sen#A few things|over here]]. If you can answer the question, please respond; otherwise, likely nothing to worry about. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 12:27, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
:I had noticed that, and was typing a reply there, when my computer crashed. So, I replied there after reboooting my PC. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 6:23 PM, July 14, 2015 (IST) 12:53, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

== New Episodes ==

According to [http://www.facebook.com/PokemonOfficialIndia/videos/vb.1548698025398817/1607254932876459/?type=2&theater this] source, new episodes will start from 27th July, 2015 at regular 1pm time!
Also, they have used the scenes from the opening theme song too! That means that theme song will also air for many episodes (even after they aired it for 1 or 2 episodes before XD)!
And also, they had used the original yellow logo in the promo which means that they will from now onwards they will keep the original yellow logo. XD [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:38, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
:That page is unofficial, though that video looks legit. Also it does not necessarily mean that they will use original logo and keep theme song just because a promo shows it. I think we'll know maore when the episodes start. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 7:15 PM, July 20, 2015 (IST) 13:45, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
::The promo is but official, even though that page is not, because the promo was aired on TV and it is recorded from TV. About the logo and the theme song, in previous promos they havn't used them but this time they did. So they would keep the logo and the theme song too. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:00, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
:::All material used in a promo is not used in the episodes itself. Dont hope too much on that. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 7:34 PM, July 20, 2015 (IST) 14:04, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
::::So we should make request to add in south asia page that new episodes will start from 27th July, 2015 according to a promo. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:16, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::The promo actually doesn't specify a date. Hence let us wait until the episodes actually start. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 8:09 PM, July 20, 2015 (IST) 14:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
{{Indent}}Atleast that new episodes are coming soon according to a promo? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:08, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, but we have to add the info like this: <code>After airing ''You're a star, Larvitar!'', Hungama put the show on hiatus. After 5-6 weeks, Hungama started new episodes again from ''Address Unown''.</code>. We should make a new para, as it will be a little bit more good looking that crowding all information in one para only. But still let's wait for next Monday, let's see what happens then. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 8:49 PM, July 20, 2015 (IST) 15:19, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
::Okay! But it would be more appropriate if instead of adding ''5 to 6 weeks later'' we add ''around or about 1 month later'' I guess so. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:27, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
:::I don't remember when they aired their last new episode. It might have been about a month ago or 1&half months ago. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 9:34 PM, July 20, 2015 (IST) 16:04, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
::::As far as I remember, they aired it sometime '''near''' 9th June. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 16:24, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::So that is one and a half month, six weeks. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 11:13 PM, July 20, 2015 (IST) 17:43, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
{{Indent}}And till the time they will air new episodes, it will become 7 weeks i.e. More than 1 and half months. However, we will add one and half month as it is near. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 18:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
:Let us say '''''about'' one and half month later'''. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 7:04 AM, July 21, 2015 (IST) 01:34, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
::Yeah! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 06:33, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
:::But I still think that ''7 weeks'' will be better as it is more accurate. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 2:51 PM, July 21, 2015 (IST)
::::But according to TNI (Toon Network India), episodes may start from August! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:24, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::Then it will be ''After two months''. But the air date is <del>now</del> <ins>not</ins> announced anywhere, new episodes may start from next week (27 July) or next to next week (3 August). We can only wait till then. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 7:38 PM, July 21, 2015 (IST) 14:08, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
{{Indent}}They announced? When? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:13, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
:A typo. I meant ''no'''t''' announced''. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 11:15 PM, July 21, 2015 (IST) 17:45, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
::Oh! Ya! We can only wait! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 18:07, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}Ya I forgot to tell you one thing! Nichiket sir replied me. He said that he don't know it's the channels decision (about the reason for skipping XY title cards) then I asked the Hindi names and now I am waiting for the reply. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:17, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
:For such info, please provide a screenshot. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 7:40 PM, July 22, 2015 (IST) 14:10, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxIR5vBeVnt9ZE9HOFpMQUQ4TVU/view Here]'s the screenshot! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
:::If he tells you the titles, be sure to upload a screenshot of that before adding. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 6:28 PM, July 27, 2015 (IST) 12:58, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
::::Okay, when he replies me I will upload it's screenshot and then provide it's link in the edit summary when I will add them. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 13:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

==About DP-Nish==

Okay I thik DP-Nish is Not singer.[[User:Atrebute Pokefan|Atrebute Pokefan]] ([[User talk:Atrebute Pokefan|talk]]) 10:01, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

== M03 and M04 on Hungama (M02 too) ==

According to [[User:Atrebute Pokefan|Atrebute Pokefan]] (as I said you that day in FB chatting), M03 and M04 dubbing is completed stated by Nichiket sir. The screenshot of their conversation is [https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=714720005317762&id=100003393084521&set=o.1548698025398817&refid=12&__tn__=E this]. Also it is conform that M02 is coming in August 2015 on Hungama TV. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:10, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
:Well, even if that info is correct, we cant add it straight away. That is beacuse of a spoiler warning. Lets us wait until the channel starts showing promos. And about 3rd and 4th movie, the screenshot only tells that dubbing is started. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 4:48 PM, July 24, 2015 (IST) 11:18, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
::But can't we add them straight only by adding the "Spoiler" tag? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:54, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
:::That won't be good. Anyway, When Hungama starts airing promos for the movie, we'll request an admin to unhide the M02 info. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 5:29 PM, July 24, 2015 (IST) 11:59, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
::::Okay! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:34, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
{{Indent}}Hey Atrebute is saying that he saw a promo of the movie. So now we can request to add that info. However, he is saying that the movie is not coming with the name ''Ek ki Taaqat'' but with the name ''Pokémon The Movie Ash Pikachu aur Lugia in Danger''. However but I don't think that this thing of other name is true! So now what should we do? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
:If the channel has indeed started airing promos, some sites will upload that soon. Let's wait for that. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 6:26 PM, July 27, 2015 (IST) 12:56, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
::Or we should wait till we ourself watch the promo on the TV am I right? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 13:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
:::Yes, if the air date is coming near, The channel will show the promo more frequently. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 7:08 PM, July 27, 2015 (IST) 13:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
::::Okay! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 13:43, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}Hey [https://www.facebook.com/PokemonOfficialIndia/photos/a.1548703348731618.1073741828.1548698025398817/1610566249211994/?type=1&permPage=1 here's] a pic of the promo showing the new logo of the movie made by Hungama TV. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:08, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
:I [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Abcboy&curid=205495&diff=2313803&oldid=2312821 have asked] Abcboy to update the page. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 8:10 PM, July 27, 2015 (IST) 14:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
::Ya I saw that and I had also corrected you mistake<ins> and also added the thing you missed</ins> [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAbcboy&type=revision&diff=2313805&oldid=2313803 there]! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:56, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
:::But why we don't type [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Abcboy&diff=next&oldid=2313805 those] names in Hindi? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
::::Hey bro [https://www.facebook.com/PokemonXY.India/videos/403229576536439/?permPage=1 here's] the promo video. Looks like it is a teaser of the movie. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 15:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::That teaser promo doesn't tell us anything more than what we already know: that the movie is coning soon on the channel. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 10:36 PM, July 27, 2015 (IST) 17:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}So as we have noticed a new logo for the movie made by the channel as done with M01, should we add it's logo too? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 08:15, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
:I am uploading the new logo pic and then we can request to add it too! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 08:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
::Oh no! It's saying that I do not have permission to create new pages on Archives as I am not an Auto-confirmed user on Archives yet! Can you please upload it? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 08:29, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
:::Give me the logo then. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 4:35 PM, July 28, 2015 (IST) 11:05, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
::::[https://www.facebook.com/PokemonOfficialIndia/photos/a.1548703348731618.1073741828.1548698025398817/1610566249211994/?type=1&permPage=1 Here]. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:13, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::It'll take some time as I'll have to make it transperent. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 4:46 PM, July 28, 2015 (IST) 11:16, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}I think that [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Qol1irHx56k/VbdtJPDP1NI/AAAAAAAAGek/5jPp7uMNuRg/s1600/Pok%25C3%25A9mon%2BMovie%2BAsh%2BPikachu%2BAur%2BLugia%2BIn%2BDanger%2Ba.k.a%2BThe%2BMovie%2B2000%2B-%2BPower%2Bof%2BOne%2BHINDI%2BFull%2BMovie%2B%255BHD%255D%2B%25281999%2529.jpg this] will be more good quality of the movie logo. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 09:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=File%3AAsh_Pikachu_aur_Lugia_in_Danger.png&type=revision&diff=474696&oldid=474695 Uploaded]. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 6:21 PM, July 31, 2015 (IST) 12:51, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

== Request ==

Can you please join [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Yash_Sen#Regarding_your_edit_to_some_episodes_of_the_XY_series this] discussion please? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:35, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
:Can you please reply there again as I had replied? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:52, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
::You don't have to tell me every time to reply there. I will. Just not straight away because I am not logged on to Bulbapedia 24/7. I have other things to do too. Hence please wait for some time before asking me to reply somewhere. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 9:21 PM, August 3, 2015 (IST) 15:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
:::What do you mean by ''24/7''? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 09:05, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon in Bangladesh ==

You told one day that ''Pokémon anime used to air in Hindi Language in all the countries mentioned on the Pokémon in South Asia page.'' but I have seen that in {{wp|Doraemon}} in [http://doraemon.wikia.com/wiki/Doraemon_in_Bangladesh#Anime Bangladesh] Disney Channel India was broadcast in Bangladesh but the government of Bangladesh banned the channel because the children were being too exposed to Hindi instead of their mother tongue Bengali. After the ban, though, the kids in Bangladesh were unhappy because they couldn't see their favourite TV show, so Bangladesh decided to bring their own dubbed version and broadcast it so they created a Bengali dub for the show. However, how then in '''Pokémon''' does it still comes on Bangladesh in Hindi when Disney was banned for being only in Hindi? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 09:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:I dont know. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 4:11 PM, August 4, 2015 (IST) 10:41, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
::But if it airs in Bengali in Bangladesh, then it's necessary to mention it in South Asia page. Then now what will we do? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:21, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but Wikia isn't a reliable source. You gotta find a newspaper or something for that. [[Cyndaquil|'''★''']][[User:Pokéfan95|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Pokéfan95|'''95''']] 11:27, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
::::Why Wikia isn't a reliable source? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 11:37, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::Because Bulbapedia and Wikia are both wikis, both finding for information. So why can we make a website as a source if they are also finding information? No wiki is perfect in information, so that is the reason why other wikis cannot be considered as a reliable source. Seeing also that they don't have any references or sources on their page, they are totally not a reliable source. [[Cyndaquil|'''★''']][[User:Pokéfan95|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Pokéfan95|'''95''']] 11:50, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
{{Indent}}But that's just about Doraemon as I explained that it came on Disney Channel India in Bangladesh too and for it's Hindi dub the channel got banned but later they brought the Bengali dub of the show. The same thing could have happened to Pokémon that is why I am discussing here to solve this. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:45, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:I dont even know if Pokemon really aired in Bangladesh. The only source for this the South Asia page. I suppose that the Indian CN only was available in Bangladesh, and the Hindi dub aired. But if they banned it and brought out a Bengali dub, we might have seen proof of it somewhere (a news article, someone recording and uploading the themes to youtube, etc). → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 6:25 PM, August 4, 2015 (IST) 12:55, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
::About the themes recording, M12 aired in Pakistan but still who recorded it's opening? No one. So the same reason would be with the Bengali themes. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 13:00, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Also about the news article we should search it on the internet. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 13:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Then search on the internet. If you get a news article, then good. If not, then it would be safe to assume to there is no Bengali dub.
:::About the themes, the movies only aired once. Hence people might have forgotten to record it. The show however, airs daily; hence someone will definitely record it. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 6:37 PM, August 4, 2015 (IST) 13:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
::::I have asked my friends on FB who are from Bangladesh about it and now I am waiting for there reply. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 13:18, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}Hey they had replied me they are saying that the movies were dubbed into Bengali but episodes were not. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 13:38, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:Give a screenshot as a source, then. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 13:41, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
::[https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxIR5vBeVnt9dzJUZmh2d2xlejA/view Here]! [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 13:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Ask an admin about that. If they consider that source reliable, then you can ask them to add that info. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 13:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
{{Indent}}Also, you ask that person to contact me, I have some other doubts about this which I would like to confirm myself? → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 13:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:I asked him he said ok. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:00, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
::But he's saying that he cannot contact you because you closed the message option. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 14:04, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:::He can send me a message which go in my other folder. I will reply to it from there. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 14:45, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
::::But why don't you send him a message? His FB link is [https://www.facebook.com/rishat.mirza.1 this]. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 16:20, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::I sent him, tell him to check his other folder. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 16:40, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}Can you please ask an admin to consider the source reliable? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 12:14, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
:You have asked Force fire, right? Wait for his reply. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 13:23, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
::I asked him and he's also active but still he didn't replied. [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 17:05, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Whilst I would rather it come from an official source, if it's the only lead you have, then it's reliable... of sorts.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:45, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
::::But <ins>if</ins> a person from Bangladesh itself if claims that what's happening there, then that will always be true. Then how can that not be reliable? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 10:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::Asking other people than the company (of the Bengali dub) is '''automatically not a reliable source.''' Even you have a screenshot of that discussion with that person, that won't be considered as reliable. It may be possible he is tricking you, tricking you he comes from Bangladesh. Or maybe he got that information from an unofficial source. It must be a person '''working on that company''', not a citizen of that country. [[Cyndaquil|'''★''']][[User:Pokéfan95|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Pokéfan95|'''95''']] 09:11, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}Why would my own ''friend'' trick me? Also, a person who is from Bangladesh he or she daily watches the anime on TV and therefore would of course know. Then how??? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 17:01, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
:You just don't understand how we decide if a page or anything is true or not. You are just making assumptions, not finding facts. We said to you, '''contact the company''', not the citizen of a country. If you cannot contact them, then let it go, please. [[Cyndaquil|'''★''']][[User:Pokéfan95|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Pokéfan95|'''95''']] 23:53, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
::Sorry, but I can't understand what you are saying. When a citizen of a country watches the show daily then of course he/she would know what's happening there. Then what is the need of a company? [[User:Yash Sen|Yash]] [[User Talk:Yash Sen|Sen]] 06:44, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
:::While it is true that a person who watches the show daily would know about the facts of the anime airings, a company would be considered a '''more''' reliable source. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 09:42, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

== Signature ==

Can you change your signature to use the standard, default, UTC timestamp? It gets confusing if you're trying to establish a chronology of comments if some of them have different dates. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 13:08, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:My signature uses both the default UTC timestamp, and also [[User:PikaTepig999/Sandbox|my own developed]] IST timestamp. It is okay if I use both, right? → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 6:41 PM, August 4, 2015 (IST) 13:11, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
::If you copy the code [[wp:User:Gary/comments_in_local_time.js|here]] to {{redlink|User:PikaTepig999/common.js}} and follow the [[wp:Wikipedia:Comments in Local Time#Settings|Settings]] information here, you should be able to change ''all'' the timestamps on talk pages to your local time while everyone else sees them the same. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 13:34, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
:::I dont have any problem with seeing other peoples comments in my local time, I just want to use a local time stamp for my comments. However, I will remove it if it is not permitted. → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 13:40, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
::::Is it allowed if I make the IST timestamp apperar by using <code><nowiki></nowiki></code> ? → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 09:48, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::That should be fine. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 10:10, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

== i am leaving! ==

thanks for welcoming me. unfortunately, i'm leaving NIWA. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 14:37, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Valehd

2015-08-09T14:36:10Z

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== Your signature. ==

Just realized something: You did sign with four tildes, but currently it appears as "if you battle me, you'll lose $". There are two things wrong: first, it does not state your username anywhere, and second, it does not link to your userpage. Please fix it, so it will conform to the {{bp|signature policy}}.

Also a side note: What you said in {{u|PikaTepig999}}'s talkpage about spambots is blatantly incorrect. Spambots don't protect from spam; they '''post and create''' spam. I have already stated this while applying the unsigned template, but mentioning it here in case you didn't catch it. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 01:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

:If you need any help about signatures, feel welcome to ask other users. --[[User:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] [[User talk:PikaTepig999|(talk)]]
:: well, that's what a spambot is on scratch. you should go on it --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 20:12, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
::: At least it's better. As for spambots, {{wp|spambot|here's the correct definition}}, so stop saying that spambots protect sites from spam. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 22:01, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
:::: i know, berrenta. i know. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 22:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

== suggestions ==

if you want to suggest anything, talk to me and i will help --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 16:50, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

== Talk page posts ==

Many of your talk page posts lately have been stuff unrelated to improving articles and opinionated topics. It would be best to discuss about those in the forums. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 02:45, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:ok --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 02:46, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

== Talk pages ==

Please do not post random messages on talk pages. Talk pages are for improving the article, not to make small talk. If you want to have a conversation about a certain topic, you can go to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/ the forums]. Thank you.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:ok... --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 02:51, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

== Replying to old discussions ==

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sorry, i forgot about that rule --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 01:51, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

== Once again, about talk pages ==

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== Talk page comments, yet again. ==

As stated before, do not reply to comments that are older than six months. The reply I reverted was a reply to a post from '''2011'''. If you don't know when it was posted, check the history to see when exactly it was posted. Not only was the post from four years ago, you replied to a user who hasn't made a single edit since that post you replied to. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:14, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

how would i have known it was from 2011? '''THE COMMENT WAS UNSIGNED!'''--[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 23:04, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
:Excuse me? I just said to check the history. Even if you didn't didn't, the post was in the middle of two posts from 2010 and 2011. And calm down. There's no reason to yell. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:13, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

== The trivia you removed from [[EP173]] ==

Do you have any source that the trivia is not true? [https://web.archive.org/web/20130119165925/http://www.pokemon.com/us/tv-episodes/season-4/episode-16-04_16-wobbapalooza/ The source] that was provided in the trivia looks authentic. -''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 16:53, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
: the old link was a different one. the new link that was recently added was a different one. the old link lead to this one: http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/04_16-wobbu-palooza/ and the new one lead to a different one. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 02:32, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
:you put the wrong website --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 14:36, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

== perma-quit ==

i'm perma-quitting all NIWA wikis. i'm useless on all of them, especially mariowiki and nookipedia. any last words before i'm gone? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 20:28, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Valehd

2015-08-08T20:28:44Z

Valehd: /* perma-quit */ new section

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== Your signature. ==

Just realized something: You did sign with four tildes, but currently it appears as "if you battle me, you'll lose $". There are two things wrong: first, it does not state your username anywhere, and second, it does not link to your userpage. Please fix it, so it will conform to the {{bp|signature policy}}.

Also a side note: What you said in {{u|PikaTepig999}}'s talkpage about spambots is blatantly incorrect. Spambots don't protect from spam; they '''post and create''' spam. I have already stated this while applying the unsigned template, but mentioning it here in case you didn't catch it. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 01:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

:If you need any help about signatures, feel welcome to ask other users. --[[User:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] [[User talk:PikaTepig999|(talk)]]
:: well, that's what a spambot is on scratch. you should go on it --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 20:12, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
::: At least it's better. As for spambots, {{wp|spambot|here's the correct definition}}, so stop saying that spambots protect sites from spam. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 22:01, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
:::: i know, berrenta. i know. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 22:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

== suggestions ==

if you want to suggest anything, talk to me and i will help --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 16:50, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

== Talk page posts ==

Many of your talk page posts lately have been stuff unrelated to improving articles and opinionated topics. It would be best to discuss about those in the forums. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 02:45, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:ok --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 02:46, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

== Talk pages ==

Please do not post random messages on talk pages. Talk pages are for improving the article, not to make small talk. If you want to have a conversation about a certain topic, you can go to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/ the forums]. Thank you.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:50, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:ok... --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 02:51, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

== Replying to old discussions ==

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sorry, i forgot about that rule --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 01:51, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

== Once again, about talk pages ==

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== Talk page comments, yet again. ==

As stated before, do not reply to comments that are older than six months. The reply I reverted was a reply to a post from '''2011'''. If you don't know when it was posted, check the history to see when exactly it was posted. Not only was the post from four years ago, you replied to a user who hasn't made a single edit since that post you replied to. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:14, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

how would i have known it was from 2011? '''THE COMMENT WAS UNSIGNED!'''--[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 23:04, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
:Excuse me? I just said to check the history. Even if you didn't didn't, the post was in the middle of two posts from 2010 and 2011. And calm down. There's no reason to yell. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 23:13, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

== The trivia you removed from [[EP173]] ==

Do you have any source that the trivia is not true? [https://web.archive.org/web/20130119165925/http://www.pokemon.com/us/tv-episodes/season-4/episode-16-04_16-wobbapalooza/ The source] that was provided in the trivia looks authentic. -''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 16:53, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
: the old link was a different one. the new link that was recently added was a different one. the old link lead to this one: http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/04_16-wobbu-palooza/ and the new one lead to a different one. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 02:32, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

== perma-quit ==

i'm perma-quitting all NIWA wikis. i'm useless on all of them, especially mariowiki and nookipedia. any last words before i'm gone? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 20:28, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Valehd

2015-08-01T02:32:06Z

Valehd: /* The trivia you removed from EP173 */

EP173

2015-07-30T16:46:31Z

Valehd: Undo revision 2314546 by Glik (talk) listen to me: this trivia is NOT true.

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'''Wobbu-Palooza!''' (Japanese: '''ソーナンスのむら！？''' ''Village of {{tt|Sonans|Wobbuffet}}!?'') is the 173rd episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first broadcast in Japan on November 16, 2000 and in the United States on October 27, 2001.

{{spoilers}}

==Blurb==

Breaking for lunch at a spot in the forest, our heroes notice a nearby Wobbuffet and begin to look around for it's cohorts, Team Rocket! Although there's no sign of Team Rocket, everywhere they look there are more Wobbuffet popping up. The gang follows them to Wobbuffet Village and finds out the village is about to have their annual Wobbuffet fair. Due to festival rules, our heroes aren't able to help when a gang of punks and their Pokémon try to ruin the fair. Team Rocket are the only one's in a position to help. Will they come to the town's aid because they have a Wobbuffet of their own?

==Plot==
{{Ash}}, {{an|Misty}} and {{an|Brock}} are finishing up a lunch break on the road to [[Ecruteak City]], when they are accosted by a {{p|Wobbuffet}}. At first, they assume that {{TRT}} must be nearby, but suddenly more Wobbuffet emerge from the bushes.

The group follow the {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} and eventually come to a town full of Wobbuffet and their Trainers. A resident explains that this is [[Wobbuffet Village]], where everybody owns a Wobbuffet. Furthermore, the village is in the midst of its annual [[Wobbuffet Festival]].

Meanwhile, Team Rocket have arrived on the outskirts of the village too, exhausted. While [[Jessie]] berates her {{TP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}} for popping up unannounced as usual, yet more Wobbuffet appear around them. A villager, {{jo|Lulu}}, approaches with her own Wobbuffet and congratulates Jessie on hers. Assuming that Team Rocket are there for the festival, she invites them to her home. Though they are thoroughly bemused by the notion of a festival honoring Wobbuffet, they quickly change their tune when their host arrives with mountains of food. They are even happier to learn that there will be more food at the festival. Lulu gives Jessie's Wobbuffet a yellow headband, and takes them to see the "festival symbol", which is a huge sculpture of a Wobbuffet. While Jessie struggles to hide her incredulity, a [[Wobbuffet Festival crashers|suspicious trio]] watch from the cliffs above, and call out their Pokémon: {{p|Hitmonlee}}, {{p|Machoke}} and {{p|Primeape}}.

Ash and friends are enjoying the festival when there is a commotion. A girl, {{jo|Annie}}, is crying because somebody attacked her Wobbuffet. Moments later, a man reports that three assailants attacked his Wobbuffet too.

Team Rocket, meanwhile, are searching for the festival's food stocks. Ash and friends discover them, despite a hastily improvised disguise, and immediately conclude that they are the mystery attackers. Team Rocket protest their innocence, and are vouched for by Lulu. A report comes through of another attack, and Ash reluctantly concludes that Team Rocket couldn't have done it. He and his friends leave to investigate the attack, while Team Rocket get back to their plan to steal the festival's food.

The group arrive back at the festival to find the three festival crashers and their Pokémon standing beneath the giant Wobbuffet sculpture, having just beaten up another Wobbuffet. One of the festival organisers recalls that the same trio attacked the village a year ago. Rather than training their {{type|Fighting}} Pokémon normally, they instructed them to attack the village in order to build up their strength. When they reached Lulu's house, however, her Wobbuffet's skillful use of {{m|Counter}} and {{m|Mirror Coat}} proved to be their undoing, and they fled the village, vowing revenge. While the organiser runs to find Lulu and [[Officer Jenny]], the trio boast that their Pokémon are now much stronger, and they intend to beat up every Wobbuffet in the village to prove it.

By now, Team Rocket have cleared out almost all of the food in the store room, when they notice Lulu, Officer Jenny and their Wobbuffet hurrying to the festival in a panic. Meanwhile, Ash challenges the festival crashers, who agree to a three-on-three battle. Ash sends out {{AP|Chikorita}}, Misty sends out {{TP|Misty|Poliwhirl}} and Brock sends out {{TP|Brock|Golbat}}. Hitmonlee and Chikorita are just about to clash when Officer Jenny breaks up the battle, explaining that Pokémon battles are forbidden during the festival, in honor of Wobbuffet's characteristic of never attacking first. Ash and friends agree to observe the rule, but the festival crashers turn their attention to the giant Wobbuffet sculpture instead, making their Pokémon destroy it.

Team Rocket watch the scene from the bushes. Jessie and {{MTR}} are baffled that the villagers are refusing to fight back in such exceptional circumstances, but [[James]] seems to understand, observing that it shows their dedication to their Wobbuffet. He suggests that they do something to help, and although Jessie is reluctant, Meowth reminds her of how well the villagers have treated them.

Ash is desperate to stop the festival crashers in their continuing destruction of the festival symbol, but Lulu holds him back, unwilling to break the festival's non-violent tradition. Suddenly, Team Rocket descend in their balloon, recite their [[Team Rocket mottos|motto]] and confront the villains. Despite Officer Jenny's protests, they insist on a battle with the festival crashers, explaining that they don't care about the festival's rules. Jessie sends out {{TP|Jessie|Arbok}}, and James sends out {{TP|James|Victreebel}}, who attempts to eat Meowth for a change. The Hitmonlee uses {{m|Rolling Kick}} against Arbok, which responds with a {{m|Tackle}}. Machoke uses {{m|Karate Chop}} on Victreebel, which counterattacks with {{m|Razor Leaf}}, although this is blocked by Primeape. Arbok then tries to use {{m|Wrap}} against Hitmonlee, but is knocked out by a {{m|Hi Jump Kick}} before it can pull it off. Machoke also finishes off Victreebel with a {{m|Seismic Toss}}. Angry, Jessie sends out Wobbuffet, which looks less than threatening in its headband. The festival crashers laugh, and then order their Pokémon to attack. However, Wobbuffet Counters Hitmonlee's {{m|Jump Kick}}, followed by Machoke's Seismic Toss, and then Primeape's {{m|Fury Swipes}}. The crashers decide to combine their Pokémon's attacks in order to beat Wobbuffet, but Wobbuffet Counters all three, sending the Pokémon blasting off, Team Rocket-style.

The festival crashers flee the scene, and Lulu thanks Team Rocket for their help. However, Officer Jenny reminds them that they still broke the festival rules, and so they agree to leave. As their balloon takes off, they can be seen lifting away all of the festival's food, and so Ash, Misty, Brock and Officer Jenny give chase. Misty instructs her {{TP|Misty|Staryu}} to burst their balloon with a Tackle, which it does. Brought down to the ground, Team Rocket send out Arbok and {{TP|James|Weezing}}, pointing out that Ash and friends can't battle them, as battling is forbidden during the festival. Officer Jenny reminds them that since they are now outside the village, battling is actually permitted. {{AP|Pikachu}} uses {{m|Thunderbolt}}, and Team Rocket are sent blasting off.

While Ash and friends enjoy the festival beneath the rebuilt festival symbol, Team Rocket lament their misfortune - although, as Jessie observes, they still have their Wobbuffet.

==Major events==
{{animeevents}}

===Debuts===

==Characters==
===Humans===
[[File:Dare da EP173.png|200px|thumb|right|{{tt|Dare da?|Who's That Pokémon?}}]]
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* {{an|Misty}}
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Officer Jenny]]
* {{jo|Lulu}}
* {{jo|Annie}}
* [[Nario]]
* Shinji 
* Yahichi 
* [[Wobbuffet Festival crashers]]

===Pokémon===
[[File:WTP EP173.png|thumb|200px|right|Who's That Pokémon?]]
[[Who's That Pokémon?]]: {{p|Sneasel}} ''(U.S. and international)'', [[Jessie's Wobbuffet]] ''(Japan)''

* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Togepi}} ({{OP|Misty|Togepi}})
* {{p|Wobbuffet}} (multiple; {{OP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}} and all Wobbuffet Village residents)
* {{p|Chikorita}} ({{OP|Ash|Chikorita}})
* {{p|Staryu}} ({{OP|Misty|Staryu}})
* {{p|Poliwhirl}} ({{OP|Misty|Poliwhirl}})
* {{p|Golbat}} ({{OP|Brock|Golbat}})
* {{p|Arbok}} ({{OP|Jessie|Arbok}})
* {{p|Weezing}} ({{OP|James|Weezing}})
* {{p|Victreebel}} ({{OP|James|Victreebel}})
* {{p|Primeape}} ([[Wobbuffet Festival crashers|Festival crasher]]'s)
* {{p|Machoke}} ([[Wobbuffet Festival crashers|Festival crasher]]'s)
* {{p|Hitmonlee}} ([[Wobbuffet Festival crashers|Festival crasher]]'s)

==Trivia==
* ''[[To My Best Friend]]'' replaces ''[[Exciting Pokémon Relay]]'' as the ending.
* Unlike other episodes with groups of one Pokémon, many of the Wobbuffet in this episode have variations from the base design.
* In a variation of the usual running gag, Victreebel eats Meowth on being released.
* The English title is based on "''{{wp|Lollapalooza}}''".
* This episode is featured on ''Volume 14: Wobbuffet'' from [[Viz Media]]'s {{OBP|Pokémon All-Stars|Region 1}} series.
* This episode is featured on ''Pokémon All-Stars: Wobbuffet'' from {{wp|Magna Pacific}}'s {{OBP|Pokémon All-Stars|Region 4}} series.
* The [[Pokémon Junior]] book, "[[The Wobbuffet Village]]" follows the plot of this episode.
* This is one of the few episodes where Team Rocket decides to help other people and wins in a Pokémon battle.
* This episode uses music from ''[[PK02|Pikachu's Rescue Adventure]]'' and ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]''.
* Team Rocket challenges the [[Wobbuffet Festival crashers|festival crashers]] to a [[Triple Battle]], even though Triple Battles weren't introduced until almost 10 years later.
* Machoke uses Seismic Toss in a manner similar to Ash's {{AP|Charizard}}.

===Errors===
* When Jessie uses her Wobbuffet in battle, the Machoke {{pkmn|Trainer}} calls for a {{m|Seismic Toss}} but Machoke uses {{m|Karate Chop}}.
** Soon afterwards, Machoke is asked to do a {{m|Karate Chop}}, but ends up doing a {{m|Cross Chop}} instead.
* The Wobbuffet symbol has a blue tail instead of a black tail.
* After the scene when Team Rocket is seen leaving in their balloon, Brock's belt is colored green.

===Dub edits===
* Some shots were cut and shortened for the English dub for time. An example of a deleted shot in this episode is the establishing shot of the Wobbuffet village.
* The original airing of this episode on Hungama TV in {{pmin|India}} started the episode directly from the title card, skipping the part of the episode that comes before it.

==In other languages==
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EP173

2015-07-29T19:36:41Z

Valehd: /* Trivia */ this is not true

User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2

2015-07-27T20:12:58Z

Valehd: /* Valerie's wings */

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]]

==Numbered Lists==
Thanks for the heads up on numbered lists. They are not included on the [[:Bulbapedia:Manual of style|Manual of style]], so I was not aware of them. Now I know! :-) --[[User:Marlofkark|Marlofkark]] ([[User talk:Marlofkark|talk]]) 18:42, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
:No problem. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

==Blue Tags==
It's been awhile since I played as a male character, but I could have sworn that the blue tags on their clothing was exactly the same as the blue ones for the female clothing. Stripes and all. I could be wrong and I'll leave the decision up to you. Also, thanks for filling in some of the Snowbelle City stuff. :)([[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 04:14, 22 September 2014 (UTC))
:I've got both genders on my games at the moment, so I'm certain the blues aren't the same. It's a bit techno-y or something around the corners for the male. I'd be happy to give it some other descriptor, I just don't know what'd be clear enough. In the meantime, it doesn't really ''need'' a differentiator (like brown for females did—for which "angular" is much better than "stripes" btw, thanks), so it'll be fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
::Alright, I trust you on that. And yeah, I guess it doesn't need a descriptor of it's own. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 04:35, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

== Hello ==

I have responded to you [[User talk:Voltdetector#Adding_city_boutiques|here]]. There was nothing excessive with doing one edit on each half of the listings. In fact, it's better to save the first half so that, if a mistake is saved in the second half, it can be rolled back to and tried again. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:43, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
:I kind of feel the issue was resolved and everyone's basically happy and I don't particularly ''need'' to say anything to Voltdetector, so I don't really want to respond on Voltdetector's page. So:
:Primarily: whatever Voltdector wants to say the issue was, I prefer to listen to that over someone else's speculation.
:Similarly, there are various reasons for (or against) many things, but when you're just grasping at possible justifications for someone else's actions, I don't feel like I can really give an appropriate response. So I'm just going to refrain from addressing your other points. I'd be happy to discuss them if it ever becomes the point of a specific situation in the future. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:44, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
::Sorry, I'm not trying to start anything with that (Voltdetector did also tell me in chat that all is well), I was just pointing out that there was in fact nothing wrong with what he did. It's not like he edited the same single section five times. Editing male once and female once is acceptable, and in fact I would even encourage that as a method of saving some of the work; you never know when something will happen like the power going out, and at least that way SOME of the work is saved to reduce the amount to redo later.
::So yeah, no hard feelings. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
:::If you have to be away or you're worried about accidents, you ''could'' just save your edit in a text file.
:::You can point out that there's nothing wrong, but I didn't say that there was, either. I just wanted (personally) Voltdetector to reduce the number of edits, especially since there was little reason to be doing them separately. And there's nothing wrong with ''me'' doing ''that'' either...
:::FWIW, you haven't swayed me about what I did in the least. I may well do it again. I just prefer to see fewer overall edits. But please understand that I have no intention of coming down on everyone who makes a couple of edits in a row to one or two random pages.
:::(And I'm sorry if I do or did come off a bit strong. I may well be a bit argumentative, but do be assured that I take nothing personally here. No hard feelings. ^_^ ) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:37, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
::::In that case, we simply have a difference in our editing styles. There is nothing wrong with using two edits on a page like that. Saying you "wanted (personally) Voltdetector to reduce the number of edits" because you think "there was little reason to be doing them separately" is your personal opinion. I was not speculating; I was saying there was nothing wrong with his editing. If you were to tell me that I should not be editing in that fashion, I would sure tell you where to put that opinion, and it wouldn't be on my talk page.
::::So yes, you do come off rather strong there. All I'm saying is don't harass other users for their editing styles because you have a different editing style than they do. That's all I'm asking you to do. Spend the time improving the Wiki. I've been a Wikipedia editor (before coming to Bulbapedia) since March of 2008; for that reason, I have the experience to back up my opinion. Yes, I sometimes have made numerous edits because I missed a mistake when reviewing; it happens. I even own up to it in edit summaries. But this wasn't a mistake, it was two separate sets of work in the same area. There's a difference. Don't harass users for trying to improve the Wiki; we'd rather have them improving it than being scared off. I'm at least glad that you've worked it out with Voltdetector, but keep that in mind for the future. That's all. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:38, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::Please do not characterize what I did as "harassment"; and do not either forejudge what I have not yet done (and potentially may never). I place much more value on judgement of actual things over hypotheticals and apprehensions. I fully believe I am capable of broaching this subject without scaring someone off. And you may be sure that I do keep that in mind. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:20, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

== Gratitude ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Village&diff=2182322&oldid=2182317 Thank-you]. --'''[[User:Det|Det]][[User talk:Det|talk]]''' 12:33, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

== Question ==

How do you make a template collapsible? Also, thanks for the information you gave me. See ya, --[[User:SirFinkleBottom|Sir]][[Special:Contributions/SirFinkleBottom|Finkle]][[User talk:SirFinkleBottom|Bottom]] 19:22, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
:You mean a table? It goes something like [[Mom#Quotes 6|here]] (click Edit for the section and then search for "expandable"). A slightly different and more complicated example is on {{p|Burmy}} (it's easiest to just click "edit this page" and search for ''class="collapsible"''). But if you were thinking about using it on Days of the week, I wouldn't say it's necessary. Most of the individual generation sections are a quite reasonable length IMO.
:<s>BTW (just in case), when I suggested you update and save "all the days" at once, I didn't necessarily mean the whole page. It's perfectly fine to update part of it if you're going to be gone for a few hours or something. (Although it's also still nice if you at least update by whole generations, rather than leaving a couple days incomplete somewhere; it'll just look nicer to anyone else visiting the page.)</s>I see you have updated the whole of GSC now. Great. ^_^ ...I'm not sure if I just missed it or if I started my response here before you saved that or what. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

== Doduo and Dodrio ==

I believe the trivia regarding the coloring of Doduo and Dodrio's necks is important because due to how the gender differences for this evolution line was made, the official artwork depicted a male Doduo evolving into a female Dodrio. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 01:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
:I removed it because {{u|Funktastic~!}} [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dodrio_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2184801&oldid=2184800 did]. She's who you should talk to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:02, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

== Re:The Preview Button ==
Sorry about that, I do it while I read the chapter and sometimes I clicked it to fast before finishing the chapter. [[User:Animaltamer7]]12:09, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Subjective Editing/Blocking you keep doing ==

I have to ask, why are you always erasing edits to things that you personally do not like, on here? The last thing I edited was White Forest, in order to warn readers that if you take too long to get there, you will be unable to catch any Pokemon there. This info was NOT in the article beforehand. And you erased every single edit I made in there, for no reason, at all. Why wouldn't you want people to know not to take too long to enter White Forest? This has been a problem with many people. Also, it is completely accurate that altering the DS clock will reduce the timer to White Forest's occupants. Currently so far, there is NOTHING warning people about how White Forest's countdown timer works. Nor is there even any info about how long the timer takes, which you also erased. Is this a power/authority thing? Why wouldn't you want to warn players about that? Also, there is NO WAY to fix this glitch now, and Entralink no longer works. White Forest in Pokemon White is now permanently unable to bring new residents in. And if there is some way that this can be fixed that none of us know about, why wouldn't you put that in there, too?

Sometimes, Bulbapedia can be a good website for info. But a LOT of crap you guys do is highly subjective and biased. It's bad enough you guys show a clear disdain for the older games and often like to retcon information. Like the whole name of "Ethan" and all the inaccurate retconning done with that and turning everything from Gold/Silver/Crystal into HeartGold/SoulSilver, even though they ARE DIFFERENT GAMES! HG/SS isn't identical to G/S/C, nor do they work the same way. Yet, Bulbapedia does not give one damn. Gold in Generation II is NOT "ethan" in Generation IV, nor can you get an Ambipom in Crystal version.

This thing with White Forest is another thing I don't see the point of restricting/blocking valuable information from. I think the info some of us "non-veteran" contributors put out there is valuable and "not being part of the insiders club" shouldn't block that info from being put on here. It's my opinion that you guys are out-of-line and having a "community based" website where only a few elite members get to control the information is no different than media sources with an agenda.

Can you guys at least EXPLAIN why you do these things you do, instead of just going "I don't like others contributing, so I'm going to keep erasing everything and banning people who fight me." The whole website loses quality when you guys keep being biased like this. {{unsigned|Mcheetah}}
:I'm happy to explain what I do. But please do not expect me to answer for the actions of others.
:You claim I erased your edits for no reason. I did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=White_Forest&diff=2171818&oldid=2171811 give reasons].
:''"Also, it is completely accurate that altering the DS clock will reduce the timer to White Forest's occupants."'' I did not say (or mean to) that it ''was'' inaccurate. I'm not 100% sure what my exact thoughts were at that point, but right now, I can tell you that I'd be happy to see that in the main article (i.e., ''not'' as "Trivia"), but ideally it should also quantify exactly ''how'' changing the clock affects the occupants. (This is probably why I didn't put it in myself.) Particularly: is there a set penalty to the occupants' parameters (and how much?) for changing the clock, or if it's set forward by X days does it just act like you haven't interacted with the occupants for X days? (Maybe the effect is different depending on if you go forwards or backwards?)
:''"there is NOTHING warning people about how White Forest's countdown timer works"''? [[White Forest#Demographics]].
:In general, to your concern about warning people: Bulbapedia is not a FAQ or walkthrough. Bulbapedia is a wiki. For the most part, we should not be making "recommendations". In any case, the information users need to understand that ''is'' contained in the article already. ''"When the player enters the forest for the very first time, the total number of residents is determined by the number of days it took the player to reach White Forest."'' (That, with the table in Demographics.)
:What glitch are you speaking of? Are you confusing the [[Entralink]] with the [[Pokémon Global Link]]? The Entralink is a local wireless function, not over the internet. I ''just now'' recruited someone from White Forest into Black City, so I'm quite sure you're wrong about that much, at least. (I do not wish to try the other direction at the moment, but there is no reason it should be any different.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:38, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

== Series 2 ==

Sorry for the slow update, I was ill this weekend and didn't work on the card pages like I had planned to. Anyway, [[Pokémon Trading Cards series 2]] is halfway updated lol. (I'm not feeling up to finishing the rest today XD) I uploaded all the images I have, though, you can find them [[:a:Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|here]] if you want to go ahead with your scanning now. Thanks for waiting! [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:41, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know. I'll try to see what I can supplement there this week and maybe get it up by the weekend. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:54, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

== Heavy Anime Pokemon ==
Oh okay then, I was just going through to see if anyone had a problem with reason to remove them. Yeah, I only did the up to the 5th I thought going past the 3rd was a bit much.
I felt like just having Snorlax seemed obvious so I thought Steelix and Torterra at least should have been included to make it seem like a more solid fact.
I get what you mean about seconds being irrelevant.

[[User:Evil Paragon|Evil Paragon]] ([[User talk:Evil Paragon|talk]]) 15:32, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

==Quick Questions==
Do you think the clothing page needs to have pictures of the different types of tags?
Because I found a rip of them on a Spriter's Resource awhile ago and I was going to ask you about it before doing anything, since you seem to be more of an expert on this than me. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 05:30, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
:It would certainly be much more convenient to use an image of the tags in the tables than an improvised text description. Of course, you may want to double-check with [[a:Archives:Staff|staff]] on the Archives to make sure the images you found are okay to upload. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:43, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
::I don't really know which of them to talk to. I'm kinda new to stuff around here still. >_< [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 05:59, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
:::From a quick check, hHt14 seems to be fairly reliably active recently. You can post on his talk page and with a little luck you should have a response within 24 hours. If it happens to drag on too long, though, you can always just check the Recent changes log for active staff and try to ask someone you see there. (You may want to check their contributions to see if they're frequently active or just there on a rare occasion, just in case they slip away before you leave your message.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
::::Alrighty, thanks. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 06:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

== Capitalization ==

In the game, the old man who talks about Mirage Spots does not capitalize the 's' if that helps. But most places Capitalize it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:54, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
:Just to be sure, does he actually use "Mirage spots" with a capital 'M' in the middle of a sentence somewhere? And when you say most places, do you just mean places like fan sites? If so, we should of course follow the games first and foremost. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:17, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
::Mirage is capitalized, and I mean both fan and I think official sites/social media mentions. However, that might be simple personal preference for whoever is in control of those sites/accounts.

::Anyways, here is the old man's Dialog

They say, here in Hoenn, there are places
called Mirage spots.
One does not simply walk into a Mirage spot.
Not to mention that these places also
appear and disappear mysteriously.

::in both instances that he mentions Mirage Spots. he Capitalizes the M every time. from what I see in screen shots from the original games, he use to say Mirage Island in all caps.

::Likewise, another man inside the same house in Pacifidlog Town says

Mirage spots...
It must be the weather conditions that seem to
make the visible at some times and not others.
Or are they truly appearing and disappearing?

::So I guess we should stick with Mirage spots as the capitalization of the term. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:02, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Alright, thanks! I've gone and fixed it around the wiki, then. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:04, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

== Critical Captures ==

You have undone my changes at the [[Catch rate]] article. Please have a look at the discussion page of [[User:Dragonfree|Dragonfree]] ([[User talk:Dragonfree|talk]]) --- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|Questions?]] -- 13:49, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey guy, how about talking to me instead of abusing me in the editing comment section and doing edit war like you have done previously with Marnix? 
Can you make a comprehensible explanation why it should be 65536 (=2^16) instead of 65535 (=2^16-1) like it always is? 65536 also is inconsistent with the other generations. 
The other point is the fraction of that formula. You insist on 1/4 which means that the total capture chance is in Generation V like in IV or VI. But nevertheless you claimed different probabilities in the Critical Capture section which is even inconsistent with the whole rest of the article. If you can't explain that, I'll soon change it back. --- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|Questions?]] -- 15:26, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:I am going to copy your response from Dragonfree's talk page to [[Talk:Catch rate#Critical catch shakes in Gen VI]]. That's where it belongs. Please continue the discussion there.
:Also, I would ask you to please be very careful in the future about linking a different user and their talk page like you did above. It looks exactly like a signature, and when your actual signature doesn't look like a usual signature, it is ''very'' easy to miss your real signature and assume the comment is from Dragonfree. Thank you.
:Now, regarding your second comment...
:1) Please refrain from making this personal (and/or try not to take it so personally).
:2) Regarding the rest...allow me to take a little more time to respond to that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:34, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:Okay...
:Regarding 65535 or 65536: addressed at [[Talk:Catch rate#Critical catch shakes in Gen VI]].
:Regarding 1/4: let's lay this out, since your comments above don't seem quite right to me.
::''(The below will all assume throwing a regular Poke Ball at Kyurem (or Giratina) at full health with no statuses)''
::In Gen III-IV, the shake probability ''b'' is about 25%. With four shake checks, this makes the final capture probability 0.39%.
::If ''b'' in Gen V uses a fourth-root, then ''b'' is about 25%. With three shake checks in Gen V, this makes the final capture probability about 1.5%.
::If ''b'' in Gen V uses a third-root, then ''b'' is about 15.8% and (with three shake checks) the final capture probability is 0.39%.
:Now, if you would suggest that Gen V is probably not a fourth-root because it makes the final capture probability different from what it was: I cannot accept that as reason enough to say it uses a third-root. I am very sympathetic to that reasoning, but it proves nothing. The developers could have made a mistake, or decided they wanted it that way, or who knows what. If you think the Gen V formula must use a third-root, try to prove it.
:The way to prove it might be to find a Pokemon that could reliably be captured (maybe given sleep, and/or a certain type of Poke Ball) if the Gen V formula uses a fourth-root but which may break free if the formula uses a third-root. I'm sorry to say I'm not eager to do that work myself (though I perhaps it's not really that difficult), but I would be overjoyed if you could find such a case that we could test to find out for sure whether the formula should say 1/4 or 1/3. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:32, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

You pointed out the key aspect for Generation V: Is it a fourth-root formula (call it 4RF) which makes a different result compared to all the other generations or is it a third-root formula (call it 3RF) so that instead only the probability of a single shake check changed? I believe in the 3RF. Well, the simple reason would be: four shake checks --> fourth-root, three shake checks --> third root. 
you cannot proof it by catching a Pokémon reliably. Both formulas would give a 100% chance. So you must catch Pokémon (in Generation V of course) that can break free, but don't have a too low chance. Example:
::Catching with Sleep using Dusk Ball: Basculin (catch rate 25), 3RF = 28.6% --- 4RF = 39.1% --- Difference = 10.5%
But you can also catch a Pokémon with 255 catch rate just using a Poké Ball. The difference will always be maximal about 10.55% for some mathematical reason.
::Catching without ailment using Poké Ball: Patrat (catch rate 255), 3RF = 33.3% --- 4RF = 43.8% --- Difference = 10.5%
These 10.5% make the difference. --- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|Questions?]] -- 18:18, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:Well, just for the record, this is solved in [[Talk:Catch rate#Critical catch shakes in Gen VI]].
:Also, you should really follow the custom of indenting your replies one further than the previous response. It makes the conversation easier to follow. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
::Aha. I answered here because you answered here. --- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|Questions?]] -- 19:02, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

== ORAS Berries and Lumiose City Juice Shoppe ==

I was wondering if you would like to add ORAS berries to the Juice Shoppe info. I can put some berries on throw away pokemon, trade them to your game and we can find out what class the berries are and their effect when mixed together. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:58, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:Totally, that'd be super cool. ^_^ I'll send you a PM. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:07, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

==Designs section for ORAS page==
At least three areas have had noteworthy changes that makes them qualify for this section as minor notes. Hoenn Safari Zone (since the area is nowhere near the same as the original games), Scorched Slab (Major expansion), and Mt. Pyre (minor change of where the exit to the exterior is). I can easily handle Mt. Pyre since it is just a minor update, but I feel you are better qualified for the Safari Zone and Scorched Slab since you are better at compressing notes than I am. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 03:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
:I don't actually have ORAS... Right now, to me, Mt. Pyre sounds like such a small change I don't personally care about noting it (after I play ORAS, I could think differently). The Safari Zone's geography is not explained on this site well enough for me to know what to say, and I don't want to spoil myself as much as watching a YouTube video would do. (But if that'll be mentioned under Design, it might also be best to move the Safari Game point out from Mechanics and mix it into the Design point.) I can do Scorched Slab fine, though. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:46, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

==Need some help==
If you check out my recent addition to the Sea Mauville page, it talks about the procedure to unlocking Spiritomb. Could you help me think of a way of adding it to the ORAS page as I need to think of the best way to keep it short and simple for that page. Also if you need to look at the footage directly I can provide a Youtube link which helped me earlier being I performed it on my game myself. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:32, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
:I think if you get into details that are too fine, there can be a lot that doesn't necessarily need to be added to the ORAS changes. I'm not sure what you think should be added for Spiritomb. If what you basically want is that Spiritomb is catchable, IMO it's basically the same for a number of other non-Hoenn Pokemon that can be caught (after you get the National Dex I think?) in various places, and Spiritomb isn't that special out of all those. (If it's that it's catchable at Sea Mauville, that doesn't seem like an important detail.) It seems there's nothing currently noting the new non-Hoenn encounters so if you wanted, you could put that in. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:54, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

== Encounter rates ==

Hi, you know the exact porcentage of rates in X and Y, because it's annoying see letters than numbers --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 01:52, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
:I do not know, but I agree that it's very annoying to not know. I had planned to ask it of someone(s) soon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:54, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
::I'm currently working on that. It will take some time though. [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] ([[User talk:Adamws|talk]]) 02:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
:::You have numbers? Or maybe you mean you're asking? If you need any help with anything like transforming the raw data to Bulbapedia-usable data, I'd be happy to help if I can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
::::I'm just going to the area and encountering Pokémon in game. If you want to help, you can start in the east part of Kalos and work westward. [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] ([[User talk:Adamws|talk]]) 03:05, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::I've honestly done some of that already. =P But it'll be much more reliable to get exact numbers (and I'm still not sure if such empirical data is really acceptable). Since they're out for ORAS, I can't really imagine why the same data for X/Y isn't public. I'll go ahead and make an inquiry now, in fact. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:12, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::Ok, you do that. I'll keep doing it my way to get at least close to the percentages. If you find the exact percentages, feel free to correct the errors on the ones that I have done. [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] ([[User talk:Adamws|talk]]) 03:20, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::::It sounds like XY encounter data was known, but I have no idea where it might have been posted. At any rate, I've got that data now. I'll do some work to turn it into a convenient format to browse and fill in Bulbapedia's tables, and then I'll get to updating them.
:::::::Adamws, in the meantime, since you have ORAS, maybe you could check [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tiddlywinks my recent contributions] for the places where I need someone to confirm if encounters are possible or to determine which encounters appear where exactly (or et cetera), and uncomment and/or label that stuff as appropriate? (FYI I finished with ORAS at 14:00 on Dec 18, and I started it at 19:56 on Dec 17.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:02, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

== Soaring Stunts Table ==

lol no I'm not trying to avoid trying to spell them out, but I think having Forward and backward/backwards is not as eye appealing.

You actually had the same thought I had about ↑↓ instead of ← →. Before your edit, I was actually changing them to the up and down arrows while adding another stunt (err I guess? does breaking count?), and changing Stunt to Maneuver and Effect to Description. I want to try and make the table as Aesthetically eye appealing as possible.

So how does this look, and I couldn't figure out how to do it, but what if we put notes at the bottom showing a legend for the arrows?

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; border: 3px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background:#{{flying color}}"
! style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Maneuver
! style="background:#{{flying color light}}" | Description
! style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Combination
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Bucking
| The Pokémon begins to thrash while the rider lets go. The rider then attempts to maintain their balance on its back.
| A or ↓ + A
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Braking
| The Pokémon makes a sudden stop and pulling back.
| ↓
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Accelerate
| Increases the Pokémon's speed.
| B + ↑
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Ascend
| The Pokémon pitches upward, increasing its altitude.
| X or ↑ + X
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Descend
| The Pokémon pitches downward, decreasing its altitude.
| Y or ↑ + Y
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Inverted Decline
| The Pokémon pitches upward, while simultaneously decreasing its altitude and drifting down in a backward motion.
| ↓ + X
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Inverted Incline
| The Pokémon pitches downward, while simultaneously increasing its altitude and rising in a backward motion.
| ↓ + Y
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Somersault
| The Pokémon takes an abrupt nosedive, spinning downward in a corkscrew fashion and then righting itself after completing a 180° flip.
| ↑ + L
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Loop the Loop
| The Pokémon pitches upwards, inverting itself and the rider in an arch before nosediving and completing a 360° flip.
| ↑ + R
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Scoot Back
| The Pokémon wriggles several paces backward.
| ↑ + A
|- style="background:#FFF"
| {{wp|Barrel-roll|Barrel-roll Dash}}
| The Pokémon accelerates forward, spinning to make one complete rotation.
| ↑ + B
|-
|- style="background:#FFF"
| {{wp|Zoom climb}}
| The Pokémon accelerates rapidly upwards while rolling into a spin.
| ↑ + Y & A
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Dive-bomb Dash
| The Pokémon accelerates rapidly downward while performing a spinning dive.
| ↑ + Y & B
|-
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | Backtrack
| style="background:#FFF" | The Pokémon will pitch upwards 90°, break into an erect spin making 3 rotations, followed by leveling off at another 90°. This forces itself and the rider to reface the Hoenn region.
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | Reaching the Map's edge
|}{{-}}

http://www.4shared.com/download/2xVGKoLAce/Circle-Pad-Right.png http://www.4shared.com/download/uYiQ7Kxaba/B_online.png

Personally I would much rather have actual button pictures, but I'm not sure how to do it, or if the staff would accept it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:52, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if a legend is needed if up/down really do correspond well to forward/back. Those images above would definitely need to be shrunk somewhat if they were going to be placed in the table (or basically anywhere), but personally, I don't really feel any need to improve the aesthetics of describing controls. I like ↑, X, B, etc just fine. (And if those images are representative of what you have, you would seem to be missing L/R, and it simply wouldn't be acceptable to use images for some of the controls but not all.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:05, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
::Well I would shrink them naturally, and I do have the R and L buttons made,, just not uploaded to my 4shared account. So should I go ahead and add this table to the article? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 04:11, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
:::...Now, yeah. =P Sure. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:21, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

== Choice of words ==

As to why I chose "disables and hides", it was to clarify that the option is not just greyed out (disabled) but also hidden. But your rewording is better, though. [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 00:51, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

== Old discussions ==

Hello, I need a clarification on the "Please refrain from resurrecting discussions older than 6 months" rule. The discussions on a wiki aren't forum threads, and if they aren't a very specific question to one particular user, it doesn't grow old and can still be consulted. Old content is still consulted and the discussion may still be a question the user wanted to read. Adding precision more than 6 months later isn't for the original poster but for the next users asking themselves the same question, and thus there isn't any "resurrecting". Otherwise, why aren't discussions removed after 6 months? Because it can still answer the next user. So exactly why forbidding more precision to be added? (Besides the obvious readability of a heavily discussed page of course) Yes, I know there's a line about that in the FAQ, but it's very general and the exception is subjective. So I'd like to know the reasons. -- [[User:Gpm|Gpm]] ([[User talk:Gpm|talk]]) 09:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
:If a question is years old, it is very unlikely any user is still checking for answers to it...
:The user's question where you responded actually was answered. Q: "Why does it say sunny instead of night?" A: "Because that's just how it works." Your comment didn't add anything significant, just trivia at best (which, IMO and FYI, would be fine on the mainspace page). If the thrust of the question was answered, then no tangential additional "precision" is really needed if many months have passed; if they had wanted clarification, they would have asked, and if anyone else wants it, they can make a new question. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:57, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
::I often check discussions to see if a question I have has already be asked, and I read other questions because they can be interresting as well, even if it's not my question of the moment. I assume other users do the same and I thought it would be nice to add some precision. In the case we're speaking about, you are right it's really just trivia, no problem I understand. Thank you for your answer! -- [[User:Gpm|Gpm]] ([[User talk:Gpm|talk]]) 11:40, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

== "You!" ==

...yeah, I guess it slipped my mind on that one. I was being careful when doing the other two; notice the writing on Route 119.

And knowing this is all needed to get TM93 Wild Charge bugs me. I was going to go on a TM collecting spree today for the final ones. Now I might as well train for Victory Road. Still have four TMs to find in Mirage Spots too, so I hope I have good Streetpass results in a couple of days. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:19, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

== Starters and Fangs ==

If you have a bunch of Fire Fang encounters for Mudkip, I'm going to consider testing complete. I think this is like the elemental monkeys in Unova, though it doesn't in all cases cover weaknesses as the monkeys did (and I didn't really use them LOL). I have the edit ready to go. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 05:19, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

== Rematch Data ==

I'm moving on to this project. I'm convinced from my own game experience, however, that rematch data is not in a set order, but based on where you are in the story. For instance, I rematched Dylan's Lv.18 Doduo (Route 117) three consecutive times, and much later my first "rematch" against Gabby and Ty was at Lv.41 when I was expecting a Lv.29 battle. How should we document rematch data for the time being? Should I just put information for each Route as I come across it in my userspace and we can decide from there how to handle it? I think I prefer having separate tables, and then each sub-header can say something like, "After obtaining the 'Blank' Badge" followed by the appropriate data. I can show what I mean after I have some data. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 08:17, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:It looks like their RSE Trainer entries have a more or less similar problem, insofar as only one battle is displayed even though it appears they may have different teams.
:Rematches in general aren't handled terribly gracefully and/or uniformly (I believe?) on Bulbapedia. For past generations, there have been devices like the VS Seeker, and if that icon is in their row, I've come to understand that to imply that you should visit the Trainer class page to see their rematch data. For Gen VI/ORAS/Gabby and Ty, that's not really applicable, though...
:I would say yeah, list whatever battles are applicable. And for each "rematch" or battle after the first, include a note.
{{trainerheader|land}}
{{trainerentry|VSInterviewers.png{{!}}150px|Interviewers|[[Gabby and Ty|Gabby & Ty]]|2,320 Rematch, with 6 badges|2|082|Magneton||29||294|Loudred|♂|29|36=マリとダイ|37=Mari and Dai}}
{{trainerfooter|land|3}}
:...or something like that. (I imagine that'll work a little better than I think it does here in a whole table.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:46, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::That's not a bad idea there. I was planning to just use a new sub-header "Rematches" under the originating table, and still within, say, "Generation VI" (the extra set of equal signs). Doing that and your labeling idea would allow all rematches to be in the same table, and grouped by when they occur. Of course, each "group" can also take place in unique tables, so we have "Rematches with the Knuckle Badge", "Rematches with the Balance Badge", "Rematches after entering the Hall of Fame", and so on, meaning each set of rematches is a table. On the [[Rematches]] page itself, after I confirm specific data (such as when they start occurring; I'm now holding a Stone Badge in Alpha Sapphire and have not seen rematches yet), I can edit that in there. As for Gabby and Ty data, using that example, I will be doing special research on them. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:08, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Well I got rematch data eventually after getting the Stone Badge when my Alpha Sapphire arrived, so it is only a matter of time, luckily it would be as painstakingly long for a rematch to occur compared to Gen. III, so give it some time and keep an eye on your Trainer's Eyes because once the color changes from black to white, then you know it is ready to go. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 16:21, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::::Indeed. And given how often Dylan wanted to fight me (and lose again) with the same Lv.18 Doduo, they will want a rematch again right away, so it will make it very simple to catalog all the data. I'm guessing the rematches begin when you clear the Rusturf Tunnel events with Team Aqua/Magma since you said you only have the Stone Badge, and I have no rematches yet (not even Calvin on 102!). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:48, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::I seem to be on the right path. The first rematch request has appeared from Lass Haley on Route 104. Time to see if her team has improved any before I go visit the Devon President. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:14, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
[Outdent] Got my first [[User:CycloneGU/ORAS Research Data|rematch]], and I was wrong, it was Cindy. Not Haley. Though Haley I think wants one, too, so I think Cindy just wanted one after I re-entered 104. In any case, I still have to battle Winston, then I can move Haley and Winston up there as well. What are your thoughts to the format I have used here on my copy of the 104 data? Note that "Other Rematches" is strictly for storing data that is not yet personally confirmed. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:32, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:That's a whole lot of reinventing the wheel. There's nothing wrong with the current format, just change the tt text to "After # of Badges/entering Hall of Fame". [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 17:55, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::That is the other option, but sometimes the wheel can be tuned up as well. I'm just looking for opinion on the proposed format. I do agree that it would add a lot of headers at the expense of making smaller tables, so the question is whether we prefer a cleaner look or for all data for one generation to remain in a single table. This is why I put the idea in the user space for now, and I intend to make edits to the mainspace style for the time being so that the data researched is not lost. At the very least, having a rematches header provides a break in the data that I think is needed even if we don't split off groups of rematches. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::I think I agree with Glik. As it stands, I have nothing but questions about why Cindy is in a section "Rematches after obtaining the Stone Badge" and also in "Other Rematches". If she just starts offering rematches after the Stone Badge, then (if you're gonna have a rematch section) all of her rematches should just be there and the first should say something like "First rematch, any time after obtaining the Stone Badge". (That's a big "if" for me. Like I said, I don't get it, so I'm making a big guess.)
:::I'm also, as a rule, not fond of "tt" when other notation is possible (such as I demonstrated above). On the other hand, I may be sympathetic to objections to my example format, and since the "tt" becomes repetitive (first, second, third rematches...), it's not ''completely'' terrible... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:27, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::::I think the concerns of TT is for mobile users, who would not have a mouse to hover around and bring up the tooltips. I think it's best to try to avoid them when possible as well, but in some cases that might just be difficult to do, and an additional note in the prose would be useful for those users so that both userbases are covered.
::::I'll revisit the userspace version once it's complete. Keep in mind I just created it, and the reason it's set up as such ("Other Rematches", which normally would not exist) is so that I can move data around once I confirm it. I'm still doing editing on the other 132 pages (wherever there are rematches, anyway) in the meantime, but I'm only doing 104 under my suggestion, and it will be better seen once completed. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:36, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::The text underneath ''does'' look better, but I don't think it'd really works when rematches get condensed (see Cindy and Winston in Emerald). [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:48, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::I'm on my way to conduct the initial battle with Winston right now as I never did that, so I'm hoping to unlock the rematch right away before heading south to Dewford. I already have Omega Ruby with all eight Badges, so I'm using Alpha Sapphire for this research (up to seven Badges) and will be doing the Hall of Fame research using Omega Ruby afterwards. After I get the Winston rematch in, I'll save an edit with their first rematches and the "Other" section will shrink. I'll do a second edit later with the second batch of rematches once I know when they occur, but I think that's after the second Badge. Heck, I have to have more battles in Petalburg Forest right now, as well.
::::::I've been considering using this same page for ALL of my rematch data, but for now that might be overkill (even if I do get a Userspace policy exclusion). I'll just edit on each page with Badge requirements and use 104's data for prepping the format. I'll be prepping it for both Tiddlywink's idea and my split tables proposal, and in the end we can figure it out from there if any changes are made. It would be nice to get something more user-friendly for sitewide use. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:53, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::::...And {{rt|104|Hoenn|that}}'s kind of what I meant before, that rematches are not handled uniformly. =P I looked at {{rt|118|Hoenn}} before, and that doesn't list any rematches. I think Route 104's format looks alright, though. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:56, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::::118 probably wasn't researched yet, and I was going to start researching 111 since I saw the same problem there before making the discovery that everyone suddenly had Lv.43-44 teams. Hence why I've added this to my projects. I'm going around everywhere after major plot points and Badges earned to find rematch information. I'm playing Alpha Sapphire right now in a way I normally don't; by taking a single team and overleveling them, and adding a couple here and there who basically sit back and watch most of the time until needed. I already have Sceptile and haven't even gone south yet. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:00, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::"Research" my foot. (Absolutely no offense intended.) The RSE Trainers have had rematch data on their Trainer class pages for some while, but the route doesn't list those. That's the rub. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:03, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
{{indent}}Yeah, some routes' were just never added, for some reason. And it's not like every Trainer's rematch teams and what triggers them aren't known. They're all in the guide. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:07, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:Tiddlywinks, I'm looking at OR/AS data, which is completely missing. I'm not (yet) looking at Gen. III.
:Glik: I agree, it was easy for this to be found, but I think the way the rematches are now done (see [[Hoenn_Route_111#Generation_VI|111-VI]] now, there are two sets listed and nothing in between or afterwards) has left large batches of data unfound, which is what I'm correcting.
:Right now, every single Trainer on my rematch card is looking for me, and I still have to chop down trees on 116 to get a few there. I'm hopping around for info. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:16, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::Tiddlywinks, I used your idea at [[Petalburg_Woods#Pok.C3.A9mon_Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire|Petalburg_Woods]]. I decided I'll use that immediately and just quietly do my own format (including that in it) for 104 separately. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:30, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Don't go altering any formats until we can actually agree on something. Any changes will most likely have to be done to ''every game'', so keep them uniform until then. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 21:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::::To be fair, I'll have to do a lot of userspace edits to accommodate data until something can be agreed upon, then. I like and agreed with what Tiddlywinks suggested, hence why I started using it. I'm not pushing my own opinion on anything else for the time being.
::::Will there be a problem if I use my userspace to store personally confirmed data until something can be agreed upon? I can move data from there to the mainspace when a format is agreed, and we can even use the page I create (to accommodate all of the rematch data in fact) to grab data to eventually be used in that new format. I'll use Tiddlywinks' idea in my userspace for now and copy the reverted edits to there for starting points. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:25, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::Your userspace can essentially be used for whatever you want. If you're really gonna worry about making too many edits, though, you can always write down your data in a text file or something and save it there until the end of the day or something.
:::::FWIW, I'd likely side with keeping the current format, between the hassle of changing it everywhere and it generally being adequate. But maybe not; especially once I've actually expereinced this feature myself. (Rematches have generally been one of the last things I've ever cared about, though...) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:55, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::Having five rematches in one table entry and forcing people to rely on tooltips is not a good method of presentation. I know I'm taking on a lot of potential projects, but once a potential new format is agreed upon for OR/AS (starting with OR/AS as it's incomplete), we can move it back for R/S/E as well on the same pages, and move it to other regions at a later time. I can handle all OR/AS rematch data as I'm literally combing the game right now; I'll just have to remember to check EVERYTHING.
::::::I'm creating a userspace page with all I've confirmed so far and notating it at the top, even stating I'll work on it some via Notepad to attempt to reduce the number of edits (I have to bring them in after a few to make sure there are no errors). I'm only including rematch data on it. You'll see it on Recent Changes after I save everything. One thing I think the tables could use is a show/hide format like [[Pikachu_(Pokémon)#In_events|here]]; that would let users expand them if they want that data. I presume mobile users can do that? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:02, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

== Game Location Data ==

I've seen this both ways, so I'm asking. Has a consensus been established (link me if possible?) as to whether the text boxes for OR/AS under game location data (on all Pokédex pages) should both have white text or dark text? I've seen mostly dark at first so made that a standard edit, but the last three or four all show white text. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:18, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
:I don't know for sure. I ''think'' black text is "supposed" to be "right", or intended/believed so by a few people (at this point in time, that's mostly just an impression I can't solidly back up), but I honestly think the ORAS colors are a little too dark to contrast with black text well, so I actually prefer the white, myself. But I've not at all tried to force or argue that opinion anywhere. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
::I've seen both in use. Sometimes, I only see one (I have seen OR white and AS dark on the same line). So yeah, everyone seems to be doing their own thing until the data is added, then it can be made uniform later I guess. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:29, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Just talked to Kogs about it. The consensus is that white text should be used for both OR and AS. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:32, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Check. All right, I'll have to review all of the Hoenn Pokémon pages; I've seen both black and white used in the Pokédex entries as well. Tiddlywinks, feel free to nab any before I get to 'em if you're in the area anyway. Or, HT14, would using a bot be better? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:34, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::Just refer to me as ht or ht14 =P Uhh, I do not have control of any bots. I would say manual is better; while you're at it, you could add Pokédex entries (aha! that's the word) that you may have missed first-hand. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:37, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::Since I'll be in the area anyway for some edits, I will certainly notice if anything is missing, so that should not be a problem. I'll copy the colour text on the clipboard so I can just throw it in; I have to check doing both at once on the location entries since most lines will have both at once, too. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:43, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

== Wailmer ==
I see the difference now. I think it's possible just to superscript both in the same line. I'll demonstrate in a moment. If it was the only place to find in each game, I'd have no problem with separate entries, but with so many entries superscripts is the way to go, I think. I'll look into this change for anything else found in the water area entering the hideout as well (I think Tentacool is in that group among others). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:10, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Wailmer_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&curid=2673&diff=2229188&oldid=2229182 Done.] Let me know if there's still any problem with that. Still cleaner than listing everything twice. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
::{{p|Basculin}} has similar problems, being split between B/W and B2/W2 because of Blue-striped vs Red-striped, despite a significant string of locations (not quite approaching Wailmer, though). If I wanted to spend more time searching, I'm sure I could find more examples than those just in the hideouts, too. And then there's probably some number of Pokemon who have a small number of identical locations, with one that's different between versions.
::If you want to "fix" this sort of problem, I think you should consult a staff member first. I have a feeling, though, that it simply defeats the purpose of the template.
::Also: if you don't expect to take long, it'd probably be wiser to just prep your edit and your message and post both at the same time, rather than leaving two messages here just a short interval apart. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:22, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
:::My bad, for some reason I thought you were a staff member. I will definitely suggest it though (not this moment, but at some point) as I've seen the practice in use elsewhere in other templates; I don't think it would be an issue, but yeah, not our call either way. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:45, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

== Fansites as sources ==

Hello. I just wanted to drop a friendly reminder since I saw this mentioned in one of your edit summaries. Fansite, including Serebii, are never acceptable sources for mainspace, intended mainspace articles, or information intended to be added to articles. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:52, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
:All information I have has a source here. But in some cases I used Serebii to figure out where that information is, because it wasn't complete or obvious here (to me at least). As an example: I had Togepi marked as unobtainable in ORAS. Checking Serebii's unobtainables, I saw Togepi wasn't in that list, looked up Togepi's location on Serebii and then checked that ([[Lavaridge Town]]) here. Now I have Togepi and its relatives marked correctly. The same sort of thing happened for a few others. But this (using another site to correct a mistake that can be—and is—also verified here) is not against any rules to my knowledge. You shall have to enlighten me if I am mistaken.
:I know well to confirm things from other sites as much as possible, and to try to hold them at arm's length if it's not possible. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
::So long as you doublecheck it in hard-copy yourself, that should be fine. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 06:07, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

== Rematches ==

Can you do a quick scan of the page right now and make sure there are no obvious errors? I'm still questioning the Timothy one because I have no unlockables between the Balance and Feather Badges, but other than that I think the bulk of it is correct. I mentioned the Mysterious Sisters on [[Sea Mauville]], however, and that they are pretty much locked in their room until you have Dive, which means either the dump data is incorrect or there's a set of rematches for them that a player can never do without cheating (and I don't know if I can cheat to that extent with the Power Saves to get access to Room 1).

I'll be adding the remaining Routes while on my way to the seventh Badge (since the entire map is unlocked with Mossdeep except for Evergrande and [[Sky Pillar]]. I'll add Meteor Falls and Victory Road either during a lull after that or after getting the final Badge. I may not even have to spend time in AS doing that, either; I can go to OR and pick up in the eight Badge standing (I am saved after a little training right after getting the Badge, haven't even gone to the waterfall yet), then I just have to get to the Pokémon League. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:If a match isn't available, it's of course perfectly fine to just say "X is their first match and Y is their first rematch". And if someone eventually finds a way to get the other match, then it can be added then (if the way to get there is legit; otherwise, it's not worth it).
:I've been messing with XY a bit so in ORAS I'm still just in Slateport. So, just scanning your page, I can't say there's much obviously wrong. I'll check Timothy when I can. And I thought about using the dumped Trainer data to check if the Pokemon where you have uncertain items (mostly "Oran Berry?") actually have those items, but I haven't gotten around to that. That's all I can say right now. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:44, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
::I've been checking Oran Berries by attacking such that they are under half their life, rather than completely KOing them. So far, all Oran Berries are verified, but I'm suspicious of Sitrus Berries in the final rematches. I need to bring my Linoone (Covet; Skitty learns it eventually, as well) into a few battles to see if other items can be found on other Trainers. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:15, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:::If you're intent on checking it in-game, it's a lot simpler to use a {{a|Frisk}}er. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:55, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Good point, except it only checks on entering battle. I'd have to keep sending it out and back in. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::Or use two. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:23, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::Haha, yes. But I also have two Covet users. Once levels are high enough, that's easy to do except where three or more are battled - and I can just redo the battle without saving quite easily or do the battle again later. Since most won't have items, it's not going to matter which method is used. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:30, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

==About Secret Bases==
I don't know much about the origin of it, but might the Alpha/Beta/Gamma stuff be related to game code? It seems like that'd be an easy a way to list them in the game code. That's the only way I can see it making sense. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 05:27, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:The person who added that info left a message at [[Talk:Secret Base#Locations and Layouts]]. In short: It's not. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:38, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

== THANKS! ==

Thank you for undoing the line I did in the Trivia section from the B2W2 page!

== Berry Group Snafu ==

It looks like somewhere along the line we forgot to check our math, and screwed up the Berry Group EV yields. Group 1 Berries mixed with Group 3 berries produce a EV increase of 16, not 12. Likewise, Group 1 berries mixed with group 2 berries produces a 12 EV increasing juice. So the question is, do we fix the table to relay this info...or do we go through the task of re-checking every combo? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
:In the [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1#Could you spellcheck this Chart please?|original discussion]], the basic data should be just fine. After that, it looks like the one BIG table had correct numbers, but somehow I/we screwed up the others. I think I noticed the problem when I made my [[User:Tiddlywinks/Juice Shoppe|user page]], but I didn't touch Lumiose because I expected it to get mainspaced/split soon anyway. (But no, here we are, near to a year after I made it...) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:51, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

== Undoing my edits ==

You explained why you undid my edits, and I agree that this is a thing that needs to be discussed about. However, I also made some smaller, definately acceptable edits onto those pages at the same time, and you undid them as well along with your reversion. Could you please restore them? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:13, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:You don't really need my permission for that sort of thing, but I went ahead and did it (though I may have missed some). One thing I did notice that I've never really liked on most pages is "Being defeated". To me, that almost sounds like a sentence fragment or incomplete thought, so I usually change it if I edit that sort of quote (though I still think there could be something clearer). Also, the trivia you added for Emma [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e74qaD4uRJc#t=4m30s was wrong] (or I'm misunderstanding your point). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:06, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

== ORAS wild items ==

Two things: I can't access that website due to it being blocked by my computer, and I am not sure that that website is accepted as a source of info on bulbapedia, so using it may be inadvisable. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 11:58, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
:It's dumped from ORAS (or just AS, iirc) directly, by a basically trustworthy person. I've duplicated the pastebin file [[User:Tiddlywinks/ORAS items|here]], minus the empty entries, so that you can use the data. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:17, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
::That list does not give any clue about the probability of each item (via DexNav or normal encounters), which is the hard thing to get, nor does it cover the OR exclusive Pokémon, and the Pokémon exclusive to Rock Smash are probably excluded. The rates of the items are just as important as the items themselves. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 10:24, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
:::You've already added some items without rates... There's no reason, then, that you can't use that list to add more items...if you are going to add any more items, I guess. (Perhaps you've changed your mind now and decided that you won't be adding any items unless you know all the details you mentioned above.)
:::The items on that list follow a reliable pattern. If you spend any time finding items on wild Pokemon in ORAS (where the Pokemon can have two items), you'll know that the first item listed on that page is the most common and the second item is the rarer. Game-exclusives are no barrier since they can simply be tested manually. And item rates can also be empirically tested. Just test a big enough number of Pokemon and it'll be fine (I've always thought 500 was a nice goal). If you wish, it can certainly be noted somehow that the rates are not guaranteed to be perfectly accurate (like "~5%" for instance); but an estimate (well-done) is still much better than nothing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

== Sprite images==

Hi there and thanks for the help before. I just need you help for something. I've noticed that in the {{tc|Swimmer}} page, Swimmer Richard in FR/LG section did not exist. I've gone and added him but I can't figure out how to add the sprites for his Pokemon. Please help.[[User:Cooltrainer nick|Cooltrainer nick]] 22:15, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
:Done. The mistake you made was that you need to write 3-digit numbers for a Pokemon's number in that template. That's why just "72" wasn't working. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

== Shuffle Pokédex ==

I already asked SnorlaxMonster to assist, but would you also mind if I ask you to look at [[User:CycloneGU/List_of_Pokémon_by_Pokémon_Shuffle_Browser_number|my browser page]] for Shuffle? The Pokémon in the game are organized by Dex number; Mew, for instance, is #159, and recent catches Cottonee and Petilil are #131 and #133 respectively. I've only set the starters to be visible ATM, and I'm trying to create an [[User:CycloneGU/Template:Sdex|Sdex template]] that, once set up correctly, will be what is referenced in that table instead of Adex (which is where Dark Power comes from, it's in the Adex template where Darkrai is the demo). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
:I'm primarily interested in the core games. I don't really know how to judge your template, and I can't muster the interest required to familiarize myself with the game enough to understand and critique it. Sorry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:17, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
::No worries. I wanted to get something started for that so that others can improve on it, and I myself like puzzle games (though never bought Trozei or any of those, only got it because it's free LOL). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:29, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

== Topgepi Doll ==

I think there's a [//www.google.com/search?pws=0&q=%22topgepi+doll%22&nfpr=1&sa=X pretty good case] to be made that it actually says "Topgepi" in RS. I'll have to try and check myself later, though. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:56, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's voice Actor ==

Ash Frogadier was voiced the same as Froakie. Here is proof. [[Billy Bob Thompson]] 15:54, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
--JasonL 15:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
:1) Use preview, please... 2) There's no "proof" there. If you think there is, quote it to me here. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:56, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
::Well Frogadier was voiced just like Sanpei's Froagadier and when it became a Greninja.--JasonL 16:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
:::You're making comparisons. That's not proof. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:11, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
::::Then what proof should I get?--JasonL 16:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC) [[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]])
:::::Generally it's something like the actor's website, or contacting them directly (on Twitter or something), or probably an interview or something. In short, you should be able to point to someone who knows for sure. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:49, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::How about this proof https://www.facebook.com/BillyBobThomps. --JasonL 17:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]])
:::::::I don't seem anything there that claims Frogadier.
:::::::Also, a tip: follow the indents in a conversation. If the last comment starts with three ":"s, start yours with four so that yours is indented one step farther than theirs. It makes everything easier to read in general. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:28, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Now do you understand? I already know Frogadier was voiced as Billy Bob. Thanks for double checking..--JasonL 20:37, 28 February 2015 (UTC) [[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]])
::::::::Hi I just wanted to pop into this discussion here. We generally don't add information until it is confirmed, even though it may be blatantly obvious. The pages on Billy Bob Thompson do say that he voices Frogadier as a whole, but it doesn't directly say that he voices ''Ash's'' Frogadier in particular-for all we know, this particular Frogadier could have a different voice actor (though I kind of agree that it's blatantly obvious it's Thompson). Bottom line, here in Bulbapedia, unconfirmed info is not added to Bulbapedia even if it may be blatantly obvious. You may think it sucks, but you still have to abide by that. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|ScraftyIsTheBest]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 20:48, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Okay. And Tiddlywinks, could you tell ForceFire that Ash's Frogadier English Voice Actor is already confirmed.--JasonL 09:18, 1 March 2015 (UTC) [[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]])

== Edit summary ==

Hello. I just want to point out that edit summaries like the one you wrote [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Mauville_City&curid=3458&diff=2256033&oldid=2256028 here] are rude and uncalled for, especially because it concerns a very minor typo. Typo's and small mistakes like those happen all the time to everyone, sometimes they even happen if you do preview or double-check. If the editor didn't notice, it's up to other alert editors to silently correct those mistakes. Either be more neutral with your choice of words in your edit summary, or don't say anything at all. Thank you. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 00:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
:I would not call the typo minor, as it caused a very visible misformat of the table. I was exasperated by the mistake, and that did lead to my choice of wording, a choice I will readily admit was not neutral; but I don't really think I crossed any line. I really think it was rather mild.
:I think your standard is very low (or I may have invited some amount prejudice against myself throughout my "career" here), but for whatever it's worth, I do hear your warning. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
::It might not be as minor as I first perceived, but it's still a mistake that is easily made. Of course everyone should be motivated to double-check or use the preview button, but with mistakes like these it's better to just correct and leave it be. If it's a continuing problem with an editor, you can of course warn them about this on their talk page, or notify an administrator so they could review the editor and possibly put them on force-preview.
::You did not exactly cross a line, but I still perceived it as rude as there is a difference between saying "how hard is it to use the preview button?", and saying something neutral like "correcting a typo you made there". Notice the difference? That's all I'm saying.
::Lastly, I can assure you there is no such thing as prejudice against you. I don't know where you're getting this. All editors are treated equally in equal situations, unless they're blatant vandals. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 01:20, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia's {{bp|warning policy}} talks about "unofficial warnings". That's actually what I basically intended, precisely because I didn't figure it enough to take to a talk page or staff member. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
::::It is not about that you wrote an edit summary, it is about the way how you wrote it (see my previous message). My apologies if it came across as if I was trying to say you aren't allowed to warn editors in edit summaries. You can, but in a polite and neutral way. If you just notify them of making a typo in a neutral way in the edit summary, they will also pick up on their mistake, without having to be blunt about it.
::::Now I know this is all a matter of perception, which is why these kind of situations are rather difficult, but it is preferred to stay very neutral in edit summaries. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 01:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

== Groudon trivia ==

It is notable for Groudon, as it indicates that it will be added to the game, and it is a feature shared by only three Pokémon, with one of the other two being a counterpart to Groudon, making it a more notable feature. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 05:20, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
:Trivia around this site generally obeys a maxim: "not unique = not notable". Personally, even if it were only Groudon, I'd still be really dubious about its noteworthiness on Groudon's page, 1) because I think Shuffle is pretty niche, and 2) because it's not a mascot or anything, it's just one of a bunch of Pokemon shown (and explaining Groudon's presence doesn't have to lead to "he'll definitely be in the game", that's just speculation).
:But in the end, if you want to press it, you'd best take it to a staff member. Until then, I'll follow the rule "not unique = not notable", because it looks to be violating that to me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:09, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
::1. Pokémon Shuffle is not pretty niche, only somewhat niche, as shown by how it has already been downloaded more than 1 milion times from the eStore.
::2. Compare Pokémon Shuffle to Candy Crush (never played it, but I have read about it), many similarities would be visible. As what I have read about Candy Crush indicates that more levels have been added as the game has been updated and Pokémon Shuffle is currently so short, this indicates that many more levels will probably be added to the game. Also, why would Nintendo make a graphical designer make more sprites for Pokémon just to put them in the background of one image (particularly one that is supposed to represent the game and its content)?
::3. When added to an article, such a potential reason would have somthing like "probably", "may" or "raises suspicions that" added to it as a qualifier.
::4. Hacking both Sableye and Spiritomb to have Wonderguard being common in generations IV and V is notable enough to enter the trivia section for both Pokémon, and it could be argued that the Pokémon with costumes based off them in Pokémon Battle Revolution have a non-unique feature in their trivia, as there are six such Pokémon (including Groudon).
::5. Is that maxim actually written into policy anywhere on the site?
::6. Groudon is genderless, so that "he" is inaccurate. While it is not against anything on talk pages, it cannot apply in article pages (exept for the cases (if any) where the game in question for that case treats Groudon as male).
::[[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 06:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
:::To 5: I believe it is not written anywhere that is fully official, but it is commonly enforced.
:::The rest is really not worth my effort to respond to. It's either not related to the main reason I removed the trivia or it's directly related and arguing the policy between the two of us won't really get us anywhere (since I have no influence on policy). So as I said..."''if you want to press it, you'd best take it to a staff member. Until then, I'll follow the rule "not unique = not notable", because it looks to be violating that to me.''" [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:04, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

== DexNav ==

Not entirely sure what your [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=DexNav&curid=200394&diff=2260038&oldid=2259019 edit comment] is saying there, but after catching a Pokémon (say, Zorua on Route 101), it will NOT appear in the Pokédex until you get the National Dex, even when caught. I've tested this with other non-native catches. However, it WILL appear on the habitat map and you can search for it like any other. Therefore, if a player has imported all non-native from the beginning, the habitat maps will show them after the legendary battle; however, I do not believe they will appear even there until that point because the medal progress changes, as some town areas convert automatically to Platinum status without a single new Pokémon. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:47, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
:When you say habitat map, I think you're talking about the "catching progress"/default map of the DexNav. The "habitat" view at question was within the Pokedex: you open the Pokedex and select a Pokemon, and that shows info like species, type, height, and weight (much of which is blank if the Pokemon is not owned), and at the bottom is a button marked "Habitat". That habitat button shows the basic Hoenn Town Map with any places where the Pokemon can appear covered by white dots (or squares).
:'''What I know''': if I see or catch Ponyta, I can open the National Pokedex and check out the habitat view for Ponyta, and Route 112 and Jagged Pass are marked.
:'''What I don't know''': if I don't have the National Pokedex—but I have defeated Groudon/Kyogre—if I catch Ponyta and then bring up Ponyta's Found Pokemon screen on the DexNav and go from there to Ponyta's Pokedex entry and check the habitat view, will Ponyta be recognized as being on Route 112 and Jagged Pass? (That's the only way I can think to get to the habitat view.)
:FWIW, I'm on course to answer the "I don't know" part myself soon enough. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:11, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
::Since it has no Pokédex entry, the answer is no. I can plug in AS, however, as I have not picked up the National Dex and have Kyogre caught there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:13, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
:::You're half right, I guess. If I don't have the National Pokedex and I've caught a Ponyta, I ''can'' bring up a Pokedex entry from the Found Pokemon screen, but if I look at the Habitat screen there, it says "No Reported Sightings" (and also, all of Ponyta's info in the entry is unknown). But, I'm not sure if it's worth noting on the [[DexNav]] page. (It isn't for me, right now.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:16, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

I don't do this often, but I'd really like to thank you for all the hard work you've put into gathering info from the Generation VI games. It's clear to me that you invest a significant amount of time and effort to do this, and I really appreciate it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:48, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks. =) (And short of starting a speech, that's about all I can say. =P ) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:34, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

== Character encodings ==

Are you planning on working on the character encodings for any other Pokémon games? Those would definitely be useful. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
:I'm playing with Gen I (Yellow) at this very moment. I'll probably jump at Gen II afterwards. Gen IV and V are kind of intimidating, more or less because the latest ROMs I've looked at are Gen III, so I may or may not touch those ones any time soon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:52, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
::I've got some great places for you to start for Generation I and II, although you've likely found at least one list already. ([http://glitchcity.info/biglist.htm], [http://hax.iimarck.us/post/9778/#p9778]). Generation II at least in terms of non-control characters seems to be very similar to Generation I, but it interestingly has "&" and Japanese double quotes (『』); unchanged in the English versions that Generation I does not have that you can actually enter in mail. Another link of interest is [http://forums.glitchcity.info/index.php?topic=7052.0 this] regarding early character indices for English Generation II. I'm unsure if they are intentional. [[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 05:04, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
:::I've never even bothered looking for it on other sites, actually. That first GlitchCity link is nice, though; it explains the 0x6# characters that I couldn't really tell the difference of (I never tried comparing them). Of course, from what I noticed in Yellow's ROM, it didn't look like most of them were used in obvious text. But anyway, thanks! =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:34, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
::::You're welcome. [[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 14:27, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}Have you yet managed to find the character encoding for the Japanese and Korean releases of the Generation II games? From what I've heard, the Latin alphabet has the exact same indices in the Korean games due to them being intercompatible. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:33, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
:I got heavily side-tracked when I really started exploring the pokered disassembly. But thanks to the exploration I've been doing, I think I may be able to figure out (non-control) characters for any given language fairly easily (and I guess the control characters would mostly be the same, give or take the string outputs), so I'll try to give it a look this weekend. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:16, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
::The Korean game does text ''weird''... It looks like it builds characters on the fly somehow, and ''each'' character that appears on the screen is written in a special part of RAM (after long enough, the "page" fills up and it wraps around and starts overwriting the first characters that were displayed). I don't know what chances I have of figuring it out, especially being largely unfamiliar with Korean. I'm gonna try some trial and error with stuff later on to see what, if anything, I can learn, but at the moment, that's all I can say. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:04, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm going to guess how it works; I tried playing around with it once but got bored quickly.
:::The Korean language works by having lots of letters (each separate part of the block) and then stacks them into a syllable. Storing each block individually would take far more than 8-bits; from Generation IV onwards this approach was used due to having 16-bits to encode characters.
:::{{wp|List of hangul jamo|Each Korean letter}} has a codepoint roughly in order from 00 (or 01?) onwards. The Latin alphabet is still in the game and is used for the credits, sharing the same codepoints with the European language games (which Korean G/S can trade with, oddly enough). End of syllable bytes (50?) mark the end of each hangul block. {{unsigned|Abcboy}}
::::I've made [[User:Tiddlywinks/Korean character encoding in Generation II]]. For now it's not complete, but it should have the major part of what you wanted to know. I'll complete the rest later on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:22, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

== So on that other page for Base Exps for Gen I-IV Pokémon... ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_effort_value_yield_(Generation_III-IV) Enjoy. {{unsigned|Trainer Yusuf}}

== Regarding the packs ==

Hey Tiddlywinks, with regards to the Battle e packs and the website that you sourced, the only reason I wrote out those Trainer classes was because the website said so. That being said, from what I've seen, the Trainer class for those is indeed VR Trainer and not what the website said. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:22, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
:Well, the yakkun site's Trainer classes are after a fashion correct for both the card Trainers and the bonus Trainers. Bulbapedia just has different standards (or I do). FWIW, one video I also took some information from but never apparently sourced was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeWT57NOCao (and that video includes Vigo at about 20m30s, the bonus Trainer for [[Yellow Pack (Battle e)|Yellow]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:40, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
::Ahh, I see. Yeah, I was watching that same video previously that had VR Trainer Vigo, so I understand completely. As a side note, I have just asked him if he could help us out with providing battle information. Hopefully that works out. Nice find of the website by the way. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 15:16, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

== Preview button ==
So I should use it every time? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 17:43, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

== RE:Special skills addendum ==

In reguards to that, it's a result I have observed by having two in my base at the same time for several days running, and always getting the same one from both on any day when I used them, not the same result via soft resets. As my edit summary said, it's a result from 1.2, so it may be different now. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 11:55, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

== On hacking ==

I know that practically anything can be done by hacking the games but the idea is to describe what exactly is achieved by doing it in the given scenario. After all, you can't go further by mentioning cheat codes, which aren't any different from explaining how to modify the values of memory addresses directly, as it is not allowed on Bulbapedia according to [[User:SnorlaxMonster|SnorlaxMonster]]. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 10:56, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
:If you're trying to sway me somehow, I'm sorry to say for the life of me I can't really tell what you're trying to say (in almost any regard). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:22, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
::I'm referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Time&oldid=2290936 this]. I was just giving you insight on why I added that tidbit. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 11:26, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
:::I get the basic cause for your message; it's the content that escapes my (full) comprehension. For instance, the referents for "it" and "given scenario" are not (to me) nearly so clear as I imagine you thought they were. On the other hand, if all you intended was to offer insight, then I'm not too concerned if I can't understand it all well enough. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:51, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
::::"it" refers to the process of hacking, "given scenario" (in this case) means the clock reset screen. I wasn't more specific because this applies to every other case in which an article could say that hacking the game would allow you to obtain a desired result. Take the unused Super Game Boy border in Pokémon Crystal, for example. We talk about it but we can't mention how to activate it because listing cheat codes is a no-no. People who come across that information on Bulbapedia have to look somewhere else for more (TCRF, for example). [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 12:05, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

==[[User_talk:Blueapple128#Mea_culpa_.28Honey.29|Re:]] Mea culpa ([[Honey]])==
It's OK. :) [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] ([[User talk:Blueapple128|talk]]) 15:16, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

== PSS Icons ==

The higher-ups made [[Talk:Viola#Adding Gym Leader PSS Icons|a decision]] on the Gym Leader PSS icons and your alternate source. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 21:08, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
:I saw it. I don't really have an excuse for not doing anything about it except that I'm super lazy and focused on other things. Half of it is also, though, that I've not gotten explicit permission for the exact source that I know for the PSS icons. The source is [https://github.com/kwsch/PKHeX/tree/master/Resources/img/Trainer%20Sprites here]. I [[User talk:Zesty Cactus#Gen VI uploads|previously]] got permission from Zesty Cactus for at least one link (but really wanted a few, not all of which I provided because I wasn't sure of the process at the time), but I'm afraid that if someone directly asked and I tried to claim that as my approval for the PSS icons, I wouldn't have any ground to stand on. The PKHeX program is one of Kaphotics' projects on GitHub, and he pointed me there when I queried him about sprites and stuff in a PM on Project Pokemon.
:Would it be too much for me to "hand" this off to you? So maybe you can confirm with the powers-that-be whether or not those PSS icons from PKHeX really can be used, and then upload them yourself if so? (Again, this is more or less entirely just because I'm lazy and more interested in other things at the moment, and I'm supposing you might be invested enough to be willing to take this up. So, sorry for putting this burden on you...) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:13, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
::Not quite getting why you think you don't have Kaphotics' permission. Did you not mention you wanted them for Bulbapedia or something? [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:15, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
:::It's not Kaphotics' permission I'm unsure of. It's staff's. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:29, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
::::That's just what Zesty gave you; the permission she's talking about is Kaphotics'. But no matter, I'm fine with doing it. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:56, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

== Personality Value / Gender ==
First off, the summary is much better now; thank you. However, I still question having a textual summary of an algorithm, without giving pseudocode; why not have both? Anyone who legitimately follow the pseudocode can still refer to the improved summary. Plus, pseudocode is unambiguous - sure, I don't see any confusing part of the newly revised summary, but I'm a native English speaker, and it may come off confusing to someone less familiar with English. Pseudocode crosses language boundaries.

I just don't see a reason to ''not'' have both. It can only (possibly) increase the number of people who could potentially understand it.
:Sorry, I left off my signature.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] ([[User talk:Goukazaru|talk]]) 05:55, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
::On the one hand, my feeling is that if we follow that logic and include it there, why not pretty much everywhere? (And that "everywhere" can apply to quite a number of places.) I think that would just get messy.
::And on the other hand, this ''is'' an English wiki. Catering to non-English speakers (or, past a certain point (good writing, mainly), non-native speakers) is not really a driving force behind decisions made here. Just from a pratical viewpoint, I would say that ESL visitors of this site take the hazard of not understanding something on themselves, basically. And if anyone really wants, there are any number of places to ask for clarification (and I don't mean just around Bulbagarden). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:51, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

== Variations ==

[[User talk:TehPerson#Move variations|Staff will soon be discussing the variation mess.]] Can you avoid touching those until something happens with that? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:19, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
:Is that so, not just moves, Abilities too? I get discussing move variations. Out of curiosity, what exactly (or generally) is at issue regarding Ability variations? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:34, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
::I don't know what exactly, but I do know that we will probably be discussing Abilities too. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:50, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

== Rock Smash Pokémon Levels ==

Possibly along the lines of the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Kalos_Route_7&diff=2313055&oldid=2313015 Psyduck/Roselia hordes]:

I encountered some wild Pokémon from Rock Smash that don't match the level ranges on the location pages; specifically:
* a level 13 Dwebble in [[Ambrette Town#Pokémon|Ambrette Town]] (vs. 18-20)
* a level 14 Dwebble on [[Kalos Route 8#Pokémon|Route 8]] (vs. 18-20)
* a level 13 Binacle and some level 13/14 Dwebbles in [[Cyllage City#Pokémon|Cyllage City]] (vs. 15-17 for Binacle and 15, 17 for Dwebble)
(I also encountered 4 level 15 Dwebbles in [[Glittering Cave#Pokémon|Glittering Cave]], which does fit the range of 15, 17.)

I figure you're a good person to notify/ask about this, since you added the current ranges (with revision notes about double-checking them).

[[User:Nokob|Nokob]] ([[User talk:Nokob|talk]]) 01:03, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
:FWIW, I may also have decided not to note small differences on some pages.
:I got the data from {{u|Kaphotics}}, who extracted it from the ROM, so I'll try to ask if he can take a second look at that data.
:Failing that, we may have to manually double-check all horde and Rock Smash levels. For the hordes, we'd probably only have to worry about the levels, but for Rock Smash, I'm not sure if we could really assume that the percentages are right either. At the very least, we'd want to check ''observed'' rates in one area and compare it to the currently presumed rates. ...But hopefully Kaphotics can clear things up for us more directly. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:49, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
::Surprisingly, it seems like all those differences are just differences between X & Y. I'll go around and update anything that needs correcting sometime soon(ish). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:15, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

== Valerie's wings ==

why did you revert my edit? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 03:01, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
:[[Special:Diff/2313085|I said why]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:49, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
::it was not a coincidence or an opinion. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 20:12, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2

2015-07-26T03:01:15Z

Valehd: /* Valerie's wings */ new section

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]]

==Numbered Lists==
Thanks for the heads up on numbered lists. They are not included on the [[:Bulbapedia:Manual of style|Manual of style]], so I was not aware of them. Now I know! :-) --[[User:Marlofkark|Marlofkark]] ([[User talk:Marlofkark|talk]]) 18:42, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
:No problem. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

==Blue Tags==
It's been awhile since I played as a male character, but I could have sworn that the blue tags on their clothing was exactly the same as the blue ones for the female clothing. Stripes and all. I could be wrong and I'll leave the decision up to you. Also, thanks for filling in some of the Snowbelle City stuff. :)([[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 04:14, 22 September 2014 (UTC))
:I've got both genders on my games at the moment, so I'm certain the blues aren't the same. It's a bit techno-y or something around the corners for the male. I'd be happy to give it some other descriptor, I just don't know what'd be clear enough. In the meantime, it doesn't really ''need'' a differentiator (like brown for females did—for which "angular" is much better than "stripes" btw, thanks), so it'll be fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
::Alright, I trust you on that. And yeah, I guess it doesn't need a descriptor of it's own. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 04:35, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

== Hello ==

I have responded to you [[User talk:Voltdetector#Adding_city_boutiques|here]]. There was nothing excessive with doing one edit on each half of the listings. In fact, it's better to save the first half so that, if a mistake is saved in the second half, it can be rolled back to and tried again. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:43, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
:I kind of feel the issue was resolved and everyone's basically happy and I don't particularly ''need'' to say anything to Voltdetector, so I don't really want to respond on Voltdetector's page. So:
:Primarily: whatever Voltdector wants to say the issue was, I prefer to listen to that over someone else's speculation.
:Similarly, there are various reasons for (or against) many things, but when you're just grasping at possible justifications for someone else's actions, I don't feel like I can really give an appropriate response. So I'm just going to refrain from addressing your other points. I'd be happy to discuss them if it ever becomes the point of a specific situation in the future. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:44, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
::Sorry, I'm not trying to start anything with that (Voltdetector did also tell me in chat that all is well), I was just pointing out that there was in fact nothing wrong with what he did. It's not like he edited the same single section five times. Editing male once and female once is acceptable, and in fact I would even encourage that as a method of saving some of the work; you never know when something will happen like the power going out, and at least that way SOME of the work is saved to reduce the amount to redo later.
::So yeah, no hard feelings. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
:::If you have to be away or you're worried about accidents, you ''could'' just save your edit in a text file.
:::You can point out that there's nothing wrong, but I didn't say that there was, either. I just wanted (personally) Voltdetector to reduce the number of edits, especially since there was little reason to be doing them separately. And there's nothing wrong with ''me'' doing ''that'' either...
:::FWIW, you haven't swayed me about what I did in the least. I may well do it again. I just prefer to see fewer overall edits. But please understand that I have no intention of coming down on everyone who makes a couple of edits in a row to one or two random pages.
:::(And I'm sorry if I do or did come off a bit strong. I may well be a bit argumentative, but do be assured that I take nothing personally here. No hard feelings. ^_^ ) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:37, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
::::In that case, we simply have a difference in our editing styles. There is nothing wrong with using two edits on a page like that. Saying you "wanted (personally) Voltdetector to reduce the number of edits" because you think "there was little reason to be doing them separately" is your personal opinion. I was not speculating; I was saying there was nothing wrong with his editing. If you were to tell me that I should not be editing in that fashion, I would sure tell you where to put that opinion, and it wouldn't be on my talk page.
::::So yes, you do come off rather strong there. All I'm saying is don't harass other users for their editing styles because you have a different editing style than they do. That's all I'm asking you to do. Spend the time improving the Wiki. I've been a Wikipedia editor (before coming to Bulbapedia) since March of 2008; for that reason, I have the experience to back up my opinion. Yes, I sometimes have made numerous edits because I missed a mistake when reviewing; it happens. I even own up to it in edit summaries. But this wasn't a mistake, it was two separate sets of work in the same area. There's a difference. Don't harass users for trying to improve the Wiki; we'd rather have them improving it than being scared off. I'm at least glad that you've worked it out with Voltdetector, but keep that in mind for the future. That's all. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:38, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::Please do not characterize what I did as "harassment"; and do not either forejudge what I have not yet done (and potentially may never). I place much more value on judgement of actual things over hypotheticals and apprehensions. I fully believe I am capable of broaching this subject without scaring someone off. And you may be sure that I do keep that in mind. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:20, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

== Gratitude ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Village&diff=2182322&oldid=2182317 Thank-you]. --'''[[User:Det|Det]][[User talk:Det|talk]]''' 12:33, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

== Question ==

How do you make a template collapsible? Also, thanks for the information you gave me. See ya, --[[User:SirFinkleBottom|Sir]][[Special:Contributions/SirFinkleBottom|Finkle]][[User talk:SirFinkleBottom|Bottom]] 19:22, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
:You mean a table? It goes something like [[Mom#Quotes 6|here]] (click Edit for the section and then search for "expandable"). A slightly different and more complicated example is on {{p|Burmy}} (it's easiest to just click "edit this page" and search for ''class="collapsible"''). But if you were thinking about using it on Days of the week, I wouldn't say it's necessary. Most of the individual generation sections are a quite reasonable length IMO.
:<s>BTW (just in case), when I suggested you update and save "all the days" at once, I didn't necessarily mean the whole page. It's perfectly fine to update part of it if you're going to be gone for a few hours or something. (Although it's also still nice if you at least update by whole generations, rather than leaving a couple days incomplete somewhere; it'll just look nicer to anyone else visiting the page.)</s>I see you have updated the whole of GSC now. Great. ^_^ ...I'm not sure if I just missed it or if I started my response here before you saved that or what. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:04, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

== Doduo and Dodrio ==

I believe the trivia regarding the coloring of Doduo and Dodrio's necks is important because due to how the gender differences for this evolution line was made, the official artwork depicted a male Doduo evolving into a female Dodrio. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 01:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
:I removed it because {{u|Funktastic~!}} [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Dodrio_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=2184801&oldid=2184800 did]. She's who you should talk to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:02, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

== Re:The Preview Button ==
Sorry about that, I do it while I read the chapter and sometimes I clicked it to fast before finishing the chapter. [[User:Animaltamer7]]12:09, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

== Subjective Editing/Blocking you keep doing ==

I have to ask, why are you always erasing edits to things that you personally do not like, on here? The last thing I edited was White Forest, in order to warn readers that if you take too long to get there, you will be unable to catch any Pokemon there. This info was NOT in the article beforehand. And you erased every single edit I made in there, for no reason, at all. Why wouldn't you want people to know not to take too long to enter White Forest? This has been a problem with many people. Also, it is completely accurate that altering the DS clock will reduce the timer to White Forest's occupants. Currently so far, there is NOTHING warning people about how White Forest's countdown timer works. Nor is there even any info about how long the timer takes, which you also erased. Is this a power/authority thing? Why wouldn't you want to warn players about that? Also, there is NO WAY to fix this glitch now, and Entralink no longer works. White Forest in Pokemon White is now permanently unable to bring new residents in. And if there is some way that this can be fixed that none of us know about, why wouldn't you put that in there, too?

Sometimes, Bulbapedia can be a good website for info. But a LOT of crap you guys do is highly subjective and biased. It's bad enough you guys show a clear disdain for the older games and often like to retcon information. Like the whole name of "Ethan" and all the inaccurate retconning done with that and turning everything from Gold/Silver/Crystal into HeartGold/SoulSilver, even though they ARE DIFFERENT GAMES! HG/SS isn't identical to G/S/C, nor do they work the same way. Yet, Bulbapedia does not give one damn. Gold in Generation II is NOT "ethan" in Generation IV, nor can you get an Ambipom in Crystal version.

This thing with White Forest is another thing I don't see the point of restricting/blocking valuable information from. I think the info some of us "non-veteran" contributors put out there is valuable and "not being part of the insiders club" shouldn't block that info from being put on here. It's my opinion that you guys are out-of-line and having a "community based" website where only a few elite members get to control the information is no different than media sources with an agenda.

Can you guys at least EXPLAIN why you do these things you do, instead of just going "I don't like others contributing, so I'm going to keep erasing everything and banning people who fight me." The whole website loses quality when you guys keep being biased like this. {{unsigned|Mcheetah}}
:I'm happy to explain what I do. But please do not expect me to answer for the actions of others.
:You claim I erased your edits for no reason. I did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=White_Forest&diff=2171818&oldid=2171811 give reasons].
:''"Also, it is completely accurate that altering the DS clock will reduce the timer to White Forest's occupants."'' I did not say (or mean to) that it ''was'' inaccurate. I'm not 100% sure what my exact thoughts were at that point, but right now, I can tell you that I'd be happy to see that in the main article (i.e., ''not'' as "Trivia"), but ideally it should also quantify exactly ''how'' changing the clock affects the occupants. (This is probably why I didn't put it in myself.) Particularly: is there a set penalty to the occupants' parameters (and how much?) for changing the clock, or if it's set forward by X days does it just act like you haven't interacted with the occupants for X days? (Maybe the effect is different depending on if you go forwards or backwards?)
:''"there is NOTHING warning people about how White Forest's countdown timer works"''? [[White Forest#Demographics]].
:In general, to your concern about warning people: Bulbapedia is not a FAQ or walkthrough. Bulbapedia is a wiki. For the most part, we should not be making "recommendations". In any case, the information users need to understand that ''is'' contained in the article already. ''"When the player enters the forest for the very first time, the total number of residents is determined by the number of days it took the player to reach White Forest."'' (That, with the table in Demographics.)
:What glitch are you speaking of? Are you confusing the [[Entralink]] with the [[Pokémon Global Link]]? The Entralink is a local wireless function, not over the internet. I ''just now'' recruited someone from White Forest into Black City, so I'm quite sure you're wrong about that much, at least. (I do not wish to try the other direction at the moment, but there is no reason it should be any different.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:38, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

== Series 2 ==

Sorry for the slow update, I was ill this weekend and didn't work on the card pages like I had planned to. Anyway, [[Pokémon Trading Cards series 2]] is halfway updated lol. (I'm not feeling up to finishing the rest today XD) I uploaded all the images I have, though, you can find them [[:a:Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|here]] if you want to go ahead with your scanning now. Thanks for waiting! [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:41, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks for letting me know. I'll try to see what I can supplement there this week and maybe get it up by the weekend. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:54, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

== Heavy Anime Pokemon ==
Oh okay then, I was just going through to see if anyone had a problem with reason to remove them. Yeah, I only did the up to the 5th I thought going past the 3rd was a bit much.
I felt like just having Snorlax seemed obvious so I thought Steelix and Torterra at least should have been included to make it seem like a more solid fact.
I get what you mean about seconds being irrelevant.

[[User:Evil Paragon|Evil Paragon]] ([[User talk:Evil Paragon|talk]]) 15:32, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

==Quick Questions==
Do you think the clothing page needs to have pictures of the different types of tags?
Because I found a rip of them on a Spriter's Resource awhile ago and I was going to ask you about it before doing anything, since you seem to be more of an expert on this than me. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 05:30, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
:It would certainly be much more convenient to use an image of the tags in the tables than an improvised text description. Of course, you may want to double-check with [[a:Archives:Staff|staff]] on the Archives to make sure the images you found are okay to upload. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:43, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
::I don't really know which of them to talk to. I'm kinda new to stuff around here still. >_< [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 05:59, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
:::From a quick check, hHt14 seems to be fairly reliably active recently. You can post on his talk page and with a little luck you should have a response within 24 hours. If it happens to drag on too long, though, you can always just check the Recent changes log for active staff and try to ask someone you see there. (You may want to check their contributions to see if they're frequently active or just there on a rare occasion, just in case they slip away before you leave your message.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
::::Alrighty, thanks. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 06:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

== Capitalization ==

In the game, the old man who talks about Mirage Spots does not capitalize the 's' if that helps. But most places Capitalize it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:54, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
:Just to be sure, does he actually use "Mirage spots" with a capital 'M' in the middle of a sentence somewhere? And when you say most places, do you just mean places like fan sites? If so, we should of course follow the games first and foremost. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:17, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
::Mirage is capitalized, and I mean both fan and I think official sites/social media mentions. However, that might be simple personal preference for whoever is in control of those sites/accounts.

::Anyways, here is the old man's Dialog

They say, here in Hoenn, there are places
called Mirage spots.
One does not simply walk into a Mirage spot.
Not to mention that these places also
appear and disappear mysteriously.

::in both instances that he mentions Mirage Spots. he Capitalizes the M every time. from what I see in screen shots from the original games, he use to say Mirage Island in all caps.

::Likewise, another man inside the same house in Pacifidlog Town says

Mirage spots...
It must be the weather conditions that seem to
make the visible at some times and not others.
Or are they truly appearing and disappearing?

::So I guess we should stick with Mirage spots as the capitalization of the term. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:02, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Alright, thanks! I've gone and fixed it around the wiki, then. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:04, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

== Critical Captures ==

You have undone my changes at the [[Catch rate]] article. Please have a look at the discussion page of [[User:Dragonfree|Dragonfree]] ([[User talk:Dragonfree|talk]]) --- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|Questions?]] -- 13:49, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey guy, how about talking to me instead of abusing me in the editing comment section and doing edit war like you have done previously with Marnix? 
Can you make a comprehensible explanation why it should be 65536 (=2^16) instead of 65535 (=2^16-1) like it always is? 65536 also is inconsistent with the other generations. 
The other point is the fraction of that formula. You insist on 1/4 which means that the total capture chance is in Generation V like in IV or VI. But nevertheless you claimed different probabilities in the Critical Capture section which is even inconsistent with the whole rest of the article. If you can't explain that, I'll soon change it back. --- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|Questions?]] -- 15:26, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:I am going to copy your response from Dragonfree's talk page to [[Talk:Catch rate#Critical catch shakes in Gen VI]]. That's where it belongs. Please continue the discussion there.
:Also, I would ask you to please be very careful in the future about linking a different user and their talk page like you did above. It looks exactly like a signature, and when your actual signature doesn't look like a usual signature, it is ''very'' easy to miss your real signature and assume the comment is from Dragonfree. Thank you.
:Now, regarding your second comment...
:1) Please refrain from making this personal (and/or try not to take it so personally).
:2) Regarding the rest...allow me to take a little more time to respond to that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:34, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:Okay...
:Regarding 65535 or 65536: addressed at [[Talk:Catch rate#Critical catch shakes in Gen VI]].
:Regarding 1/4: let's lay this out, since your comments above don't seem quite right to me.
::''(The below will all assume throwing a regular Poke Ball at Kyurem (or Giratina) at full health with no statuses)''
::In Gen III-IV, the shake probability ''b'' is about 25%. With four shake checks, this makes the final capture probability 0.39%.
::If ''b'' in Gen V uses a fourth-root, then ''b'' is about 25%. With three shake checks in Gen V, this makes the final capture probability about 1.5%.
::If ''b'' in Gen V uses a third-root, then ''b'' is about 15.8% and (with three shake checks) the final capture probability is 0.39%.
:Now, if you would suggest that Gen V is probably not a fourth-root because it makes the final capture probability different from what it was: I cannot accept that as reason enough to say it uses a third-root. I am very sympathetic to that reasoning, but it proves nothing. The developers could have made a mistake, or decided they wanted it that way, or who knows what. If you think the Gen V formula must use a third-root, try to prove it.
:The way to prove it might be to find a Pokemon that could reliably be captured (maybe given sleep, and/or a certain type of Poke Ball) if the Gen V formula uses a fourth-root but which may break free if the formula uses a third-root. I'm sorry to say I'm not eager to do that work myself (though I perhaps it's not really that difficult), but I would be overjoyed if you could find such a case that we could test to find out for sure whether the formula should say 1/4 or 1/3. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:32, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

You pointed out the key aspect for Generation V: Is it a fourth-root formula (call it 4RF) which makes a different result compared to all the other generations or is it a third-root formula (call it 3RF) so that instead only the probability of a single shake check changed? I believe in the 3RF. Well, the simple reason would be: four shake checks --> fourth-root, three shake checks --> third root. 
you cannot proof it by catching a Pokémon reliably. Both formulas would give a 100% chance. So you must catch Pokémon (in Generation V of course) that can break free, but don't have a too low chance. Example:
::Catching with Sleep using Dusk Ball: Basculin (catch rate 25), 3RF = 28.6% --- 4RF = 39.1% --- Difference = 10.5%
But you can also catch a Pokémon with 255 catch rate just using a Poké Ball. The difference will always be maximal about 10.55% for some mathematical reason.
::Catching without ailment using Poké Ball: Patrat (catch rate 255), 3RF = 33.3% --- 4RF = 43.8% --- Difference = 10.5%
These 10.5% make the difference. --- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|Questions?]] -- 18:18, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:Well, just for the record, this is solved in [[Talk:Catch rate#Critical catch shakes in Gen VI]].
:Also, you should really follow the custom of indenting your replies one further than the previous response. It makes the conversation easier to follow. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
::Aha. I answered here because you answered here. --- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|Questions?]] -- 19:02, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

== ORAS Berries and Lumiose City Juice Shoppe ==

I was wondering if you would like to add ORAS berries to the Juice Shoppe info. I can put some berries on throw away pokemon, trade them to your game and we can find out what class the berries are and their effect when mixed together. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:58, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:Totally, that'd be super cool. ^_^ I'll send you a PM. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:07, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

==Designs section for ORAS page==
At least three areas have had noteworthy changes that makes them qualify for this section as minor notes. Hoenn Safari Zone (since the area is nowhere near the same as the original games), Scorched Slab (Major expansion), and Mt. Pyre (minor change of where the exit to the exterior is). I can easily handle Mt. Pyre since it is just a minor update, but I feel you are better qualified for the Safari Zone and Scorched Slab since you are better at compressing notes than I am. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 03:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
:I don't actually have ORAS... Right now, to me, Mt. Pyre sounds like such a small change I don't personally care about noting it (after I play ORAS, I could think differently). The Safari Zone's geography is not explained on this site well enough for me to know what to say, and I don't want to spoil myself as much as watching a YouTube video would do. (But if that'll be mentioned under Design, it might also be best to move the Safari Game point out from Mechanics and mix it into the Design point.) I can do Scorched Slab fine, though. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:46, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

==Need some help==
If you check out my recent addition to the Sea Mauville page, it talks about the procedure to unlocking Spiritomb. Could you help me think of a way of adding it to the ORAS page as I need to think of the best way to keep it short and simple for that page. Also if you need to look at the footage directly I can provide a Youtube link which helped me earlier being I performed it on my game myself. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:32, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
:I think if you get into details that are too fine, there can be a lot that doesn't necessarily need to be added to the ORAS changes. I'm not sure what you think should be added for Spiritomb. If what you basically want is that Spiritomb is catchable, IMO it's basically the same for a number of other non-Hoenn Pokemon that can be caught (after you get the National Dex I think?) in various places, and Spiritomb isn't that special out of all those. (If it's that it's catchable at Sea Mauville, that doesn't seem like an important detail.) It seems there's nothing currently noting the new non-Hoenn encounters so if you wanted, you could put that in. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:54, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

== Encounter rates ==

Hi, you know the exact porcentage of rates in X and Y, because it's annoying see letters than numbers --[[User:HoopsterJohn|HoopsterJohn]] ([[User talk:HoopsterJohn|talk]]) 01:52, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
:I do not know, but I agree that it's very annoying to not know. I had planned to ask it of someone(s) soon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:54, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
::I'm currently working on that. It will take some time though. [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] ([[User talk:Adamws|talk]]) 02:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
:::You have numbers? Or maybe you mean you're asking? If you need any help with anything like transforming the raw data to Bulbapedia-usable data, I'd be happy to help if I can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
::::I'm just going to the area and encountering Pokémon in game. If you want to help, you can start in the east part of Kalos and work westward. [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] ([[User talk:Adamws|talk]]) 03:05, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::I've honestly done some of that already. =P But it'll be much more reliable to get exact numbers (and I'm still not sure if such empirical data is really acceptable). Since they're out for ORAS, I can't really imagine why the same data for X/Y isn't public. I'll go ahead and make an inquiry now, in fact. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:12, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::Ok, you do that. I'll keep doing it my way to get at least close to the percentages. If you find the exact percentages, feel free to correct the errors on the ones that I have done. [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] ([[User talk:Adamws|talk]]) 03:20, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::::It sounds like XY encounter data was known, but I have no idea where it might have been posted. At any rate, I've got that data now. I'll do some work to turn it into a convenient format to browse and fill in Bulbapedia's tables, and then I'll get to updating them.
:::::::Adamws, in the meantime, since you have ORAS, maybe you could check [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tiddlywinks my recent contributions] for the places where I need someone to confirm if encounters are possible or to determine which encounters appear where exactly (or et cetera), and uncomment and/or label that stuff as appropriate? (FYI I finished with ORAS at 14:00 on Dec 18, and I started it at 19:56 on Dec 17.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:02, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

== Soaring Stunts Table ==

lol no I'm not trying to avoid trying to spell them out, but I think having Forward and backward/backwards is not as eye appealing.

You actually had the same thought I had about ↑↓ instead of ← →. Before your edit, I was actually changing them to the up and down arrows while adding another stunt (err I guess? does breaking count?), and changing Stunt to Maneuver and Effect to Description. I want to try and make the table as Aesthetically eye appealing as possible.

So how does this look, and I couldn't figure out how to do it, but what if we put notes at the bottom showing a legend for the arrows?

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; border: 3px solid #{{flying color dark}}; background:#{{flying color}}"
! style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Maneuver
! style="background:#{{flying color light}}" | Description
! style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Combination
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Bucking
| The Pokémon begins to thrash while the rider lets go. The rider then attempts to maintain their balance on its back.
| A or ↓ + A
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Braking
| The Pokémon makes a sudden stop and pulling back.
| ↓
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Accelerate
| Increases the Pokémon's speed.
| B + ↑
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Ascend
| The Pokémon pitches upward, increasing its altitude.
| X or ↑ + X
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Descend
| The Pokémon pitches downward, decreasing its altitude.
| Y or ↑ + Y
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Inverted Decline
| The Pokémon pitches upward, while simultaneously decreasing its altitude and drifting down in a backward motion.
| ↓ + X
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Inverted Incline
| The Pokémon pitches downward, while simultaneously increasing its altitude and rising in a backward motion.
| ↓ + Y
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Somersault
| The Pokémon takes an abrupt nosedive, spinning downward in a corkscrew fashion and then righting itself after completing a 180° flip.
| ↑ + L
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Loop the Loop
| The Pokémon pitches upwards, inverting itself and the rider in an arch before nosediving and completing a 360° flip.
| ↑ + R
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Scoot Back
| The Pokémon wriggles several paces backward.
| ↑ + A
|- style="background:#FFF"
| {{wp|Barrel-roll|Barrel-roll Dash}}
| The Pokémon accelerates forward, spinning to make one complete rotation.
| ↑ + B
|-
|- style="background:#FFF"
| {{wp|Zoom climb}}
| The Pokémon accelerates rapidly upwards while rolling into a spin.
| ↑ + Y & A
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Dive-bomb Dash
| The Pokémon accelerates rapidly downward while performing a spinning dive.
| ↑ + Y & B
|-
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | Backtrack
| style="background:#FFF" | The Pokémon will pitch upwards 90°, break into an erect spin making 3 rotations, followed by leveling off at another 90°. This forces itself and the rider to reface the Hoenn region.
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | Reaching the Map's edge
|}{{-}}

http://www.4shared.com/download/2xVGKoLAce/Circle-Pad-Right.png http://www.4shared.com/download/uYiQ7Kxaba/B_online.png

Personally I would much rather have actual button pictures, but I'm not sure how to do it, or if the staff would accept it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:52, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if a legend is needed if up/down really do correspond well to forward/back. Those images above would definitely need to be shrunk somewhat if they were going to be placed in the table (or basically anywhere), but personally, I don't really feel any need to improve the aesthetics of describing controls. I like ↑, X, B, etc just fine. (And if those images are representative of what you have, you would seem to be missing L/R, and it simply wouldn't be acceptable to use images for some of the controls but not all.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:05, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
::Well I would shrink them naturally, and I do have the R and L buttons made,, just not uploaded to my 4shared account. So should I go ahead and add this table to the article? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 04:11, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
:::...Now, yeah. =P Sure. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:21, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

== Choice of words ==

As to why I chose "disables and hides", it was to clarify that the option is not just greyed out (disabled) but also hidden. But your rewording is better, though. [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 00:51, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

== Old discussions ==

Hello, I need a clarification on the "Please refrain from resurrecting discussions older than 6 months" rule. The discussions on a wiki aren't forum threads, and if they aren't a very specific question to one particular user, it doesn't grow old and can still be consulted. Old content is still consulted and the discussion may still be a question the user wanted to read. Adding precision more than 6 months later isn't for the original poster but for the next users asking themselves the same question, and thus there isn't any "resurrecting". Otherwise, why aren't discussions removed after 6 months? Because it can still answer the next user. So exactly why forbidding more precision to be added? (Besides the obvious readability of a heavily discussed page of course) Yes, I know there's a line about that in the FAQ, but it's very general and the exception is subjective. So I'd like to know the reasons. -- [[User:Gpm|Gpm]] ([[User talk:Gpm|talk]]) 09:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
:If a question is years old, it is very unlikely any user is still checking for answers to it...
:The user's question where you responded actually was answered. Q: "Why does it say sunny instead of night?" A: "Because that's just how it works." Your comment didn't add anything significant, just trivia at best (which, IMO and FYI, would be fine on the mainspace page). If the thrust of the question was answered, then no tangential additional "precision" is really needed if many months have passed; if they had wanted clarification, they would have asked, and if anyone else wants it, they can make a new question. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:57, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
::I often check discussions to see if a question I have has already be asked, and I read other questions because they can be interresting as well, even if it's not my question of the moment. I assume other users do the same and I thought it would be nice to add some precision. In the case we're speaking about, you are right it's really just trivia, no problem I understand. Thank you for your answer! -- [[User:Gpm|Gpm]] ([[User talk:Gpm|talk]]) 11:40, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

== "You!" ==

...yeah, I guess it slipped my mind on that one. I was being careful when doing the other two; notice the writing on Route 119.

And knowing this is all needed to get TM93 Wild Charge bugs me. I was going to go on a TM collecting spree today for the final ones. Now I might as well train for Victory Road. Still have four TMs to find in Mirage Spots too, so I hope I have good Streetpass results in a couple of days. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:19, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

== Starters and Fangs ==

If you have a bunch of Fire Fang encounters for Mudkip, I'm going to consider testing complete. I think this is like the elemental monkeys in Unova, though it doesn't in all cases cover weaknesses as the monkeys did (and I didn't really use them LOL). I have the edit ready to go. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 05:19, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

== Rematch Data ==

I'm moving on to this project. I'm convinced from my own game experience, however, that rematch data is not in a set order, but based on where you are in the story. For instance, I rematched Dylan's Lv.18 Doduo (Route 117) three consecutive times, and much later my first "rematch" against Gabby and Ty was at Lv.41 when I was expecting a Lv.29 battle. How should we document rematch data for the time being? Should I just put information for each Route as I come across it in my userspace and we can decide from there how to handle it? I think I prefer having separate tables, and then each sub-header can say something like, "After obtaining the 'Blank' Badge" followed by the appropriate data. I can show what I mean after I have some data. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 08:17, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:It looks like their RSE Trainer entries have a more or less similar problem, insofar as only one battle is displayed even though it appears they may have different teams.
:Rematches in general aren't handled terribly gracefully and/or uniformly (I believe?) on Bulbapedia. For past generations, there have been devices like the VS Seeker, and if that icon is in their row, I've come to understand that to imply that you should visit the Trainer class page to see their rematch data. For Gen VI/ORAS/Gabby and Ty, that's not really applicable, though...
:I would say yeah, list whatever battles are applicable. And for each "rematch" or battle after the first, include a note.
{{trainerheader|land}}
{{trainerentry|VSInterviewers.png{{!}}150px|Interviewers|[[Gabby and Ty|Gabby & Ty]]|2,320 Rematch, with 6 badges|2|082|Magneton||29||294|Loudred|♂|29|36=マリとダイ|37=Mari and Dai}}
{{trainerfooter|land|3}}
:...or something like that. (I imagine that'll work a little better than I think it does here in a whole table.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:46, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::That's not a bad idea there. I was planning to just use a new sub-header "Rematches" under the originating table, and still within, say, "Generation VI" (the extra set of equal signs). Doing that and your labeling idea would allow all rematches to be in the same table, and grouped by when they occur. Of course, each "group" can also take place in unique tables, so we have "Rematches with the Knuckle Badge", "Rematches with the Balance Badge", "Rematches after entering the Hall of Fame", and so on, meaning each set of rematches is a table. On the [[Rematches]] page itself, after I confirm specific data (such as when they start occurring; I'm now holding a Stone Badge in Alpha Sapphire and have not seen rematches yet), I can edit that in there. As for Gabby and Ty data, using that example, I will be doing special research on them. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:08, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Well I got rematch data eventually after getting the Stone Badge when my Alpha Sapphire arrived, so it is only a matter of time, luckily it would be as painstakingly long for a rematch to occur compared to Gen. III, so give it some time and keep an eye on your Trainer's Eyes because once the color changes from black to white, then you know it is ready to go. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 16:21, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::::Indeed. And given how often Dylan wanted to fight me (and lose again) with the same Lv.18 Doduo, they will want a rematch again right away, so it will make it very simple to catalog all the data. I'm guessing the rematches begin when you clear the Rusturf Tunnel events with Team Aqua/Magma since you said you only have the Stone Badge, and I have no rematches yet (not even Calvin on 102!). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:48, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::I seem to be on the right path. The first rematch request has appeared from Lass Haley on Route 104. Time to see if her team has improved any before I go visit the Devon President. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:14, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
[Outdent] Got my first [[User:CycloneGU/ORAS Research Data|rematch]], and I was wrong, it was Cindy. Not Haley. Though Haley I think wants one, too, so I think Cindy just wanted one after I re-entered 104. In any case, I still have to battle Winston, then I can move Haley and Winston up there as well. What are your thoughts to the format I have used here on my copy of the 104 data? Note that "Other Rematches" is strictly for storing data that is not yet personally confirmed. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:32, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:That's a whole lot of reinventing the wheel. There's nothing wrong with the current format, just change the tt text to "After # of Badges/entering Hall of Fame". [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 17:55, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::That is the other option, but sometimes the wheel can be tuned up as well. I'm just looking for opinion on the proposed format. I do agree that it would add a lot of headers at the expense of making smaller tables, so the question is whether we prefer a cleaner look or for all data for one generation to remain in a single table. This is why I put the idea in the user space for now, and I intend to make edits to the mainspace style for the time being so that the data researched is not lost. At the very least, having a rematches header provides a break in the data that I think is needed even if we don't split off groups of rematches. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::I think I agree with Glik. As it stands, I have nothing but questions about why Cindy is in a section "Rematches after obtaining the Stone Badge" and also in "Other Rematches". If she just starts offering rematches after the Stone Badge, then (if you're gonna have a rematch section) all of her rematches should just be there and the first should say something like "First rematch, any time after obtaining the Stone Badge". (That's a big "if" for me. Like I said, I don't get it, so I'm making a big guess.)
:::I'm also, as a rule, not fond of "tt" when other notation is possible (such as I demonstrated above). On the other hand, I may be sympathetic to objections to my example format, and since the "tt" becomes repetitive (first, second, third rematches...), it's not ''completely'' terrible... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:27, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::::I think the concerns of TT is for mobile users, who would not have a mouse to hover around and bring up the tooltips. I think it's best to try to avoid them when possible as well, but in some cases that might just be difficult to do, and an additional note in the prose would be useful for those users so that both userbases are covered.
::::I'll revisit the userspace version once it's complete. Keep in mind I just created it, and the reason it's set up as such ("Other Rematches", which normally would not exist) is so that I can move data around once I confirm it. I'm still doing editing on the other 132 pages (wherever there are rematches, anyway) in the meantime, but I'm only doing 104 under my suggestion, and it will be better seen once completed. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:36, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::The text underneath ''does'' look better, but I don't think it'd really works when rematches get condensed (see Cindy and Winston in Emerald). [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:48, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::I'm on my way to conduct the initial battle with Winston right now as I never did that, so I'm hoping to unlock the rematch right away before heading south to Dewford. I already have Omega Ruby with all eight Badges, so I'm using Alpha Sapphire for this research (up to seven Badges) and will be doing the Hall of Fame research using Omega Ruby afterwards. After I get the Winston rematch in, I'll save an edit with their first rematches and the "Other" section will shrink. I'll do a second edit later with the second batch of rematches once I know when they occur, but I think that's after the second Badge. Heck, I have to have more battles in Petalburg Forest right now, as well.
::::::I've been considering using this same page for ALL of my rematch data, but for now that might be overkill (even if I do get a Userspace policy exclusion). I'll just edit on each page with Badge requirements and use 104's data for prepping the format. I'll be prepping it for both Tiddlywink's idea and my split tables proposal, and in the end we can figure it out from there if any changes are made. It would be nice to get something more user-friendly for sitewide use. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:53, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::::...And {{rt|104|Hoenn|that}}'s kind of what I meant before, that rematches are not handled uniformly. =P I looked at {{rt|118|Hoenn}} before, and that doesn't list any rematches. I think Route 104's format looks alright, though. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:56, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::::118 probably wasn't researched yet, and I was going to start researching 111 since I saw the same problem there before making the discovery that everyone suddenly had Lv.43-44 teams. Hence why I've added this to my projects. I'm going around everywhere after major plot points and Badges earned to find rematch information. I'm playing Alpha Sapphire right now in a way I normally don't; by taking a single team and overleveling them, and adding a couple here and there who basically sit back and watch most of the time until needed. I already have Sceptile and haven't even gone south yet. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:00, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::"Research" my foot. (Absolutely no offense intended.) The RSE Trainers have had rematch data on their Trainer class pages for some while, but the route doesn't list those. That's the rub. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:03, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
{{indent}}Yeah, some routes' were just never added, for some reason. And it's not like every Trainer's rematch teams and what triggers them aren't known. They're all in the guide. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:07, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:Tiddlywinks, I'm looking at OR/AS data, which is completely missing. I'm not (yet) looking at Gen. III.
:Glik: I agree, it was easy for this to be found, but I think the way the rematches are now done (see [[Hoenn_Route_111#Generation_VI|111-VI]] now, there are two sets listed and nothing in between or afterwards) has left large batches of data unfound, which is what I'm correcting.
:Right now, every single Trainer on my rematch card is looking for me, and I still have to chop down trees on 116 to get a few there. I'm hopping around for info. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:16, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::Tiddlywinks, I used your idea at [[Petalburg_Woods#Pok.C3.A9mon_Omega_Ruby_and_Alpha_Sapphire|Petalburg_Woods]]. I decided I'll use that immediately and just quietly do my own format (including that in it) for 104 separately. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:30, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Don't go altering any formats until we can actually agree on something. Any changes will most likely have to be done to ''every game'', so keep them uniform until then. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 21:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::::To be fair, I'll have to do a lot of userspace edits to accommodate data until something can be agreed upon, then. I like and agreed with what Tiddlywinks suggested, hence why I started using it. I'm not pushing my own opinion on anything else for the time being.
::::Will there be a problem if I use my userspace to store personally confirmed data until something can be agreed upon? I can move data from there to the mainspace when a format is agreed, and we can even use the page I create (to accommodate all of the rematch data in fact) to grab data to eventually be used in that new format. I'll use Tiddlywinks' idea in my userspace for now and copy the reverted edits to there for starting points. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:25, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::Your userspace can essentially be used for whatever you want. If you're really gonna worry about making too many edits, though, you can always write down your data in a text file or something and save it there until the end of the day or something.
:::::FWIW, I'd likely side with keeping the current format, between the hassle of changing it everywhere and it generally being adequate. But maybe not; especially once I've actually expereinced this feature myself. (Rematches have generally been one of the last things I've ever cared about, though...) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:55, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::Having five rematches in one table entry and forcing people to rely on tooltips is not a good method of presentation. I know I'm taking on a lot of potential projects, but once a potential new format is agreed upon for OR/AS (starting with OR/AS as it's incomplete), we can move it back for R/S/E as well on the same pages, and move it to other regions at a later time. I can handle all OR/AS rematch data as I'm literally combing the game right now; I'll just have to remember to check EVERYTHING.
::::::I'm creating a userspace page with all I've confirmed so far and notating it at the top, even stating I'll work on it some via Notepad to attempt to reduce the number of edits (I have to bring them in after a few to make sure there are no errors). I'm only including rematch data on it. You'll see it on Recent Changes after I save everything. One thing I think the tables could use is a show/hide format like [[Pikachu_(Pokémon)#In_events|here]]; that would let users expand them if they want that data. I presume mobile users can do that? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 22:02, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

== Game Location Data ==

I've seen this both ways, so I'm asking. Has a consensus been established (link me if possible?) as to whether the text boxes for OR/AS under game location data (on all Pokédex pages) should both have white text or dark text? I've seen mostly dark at first so made that a standard edit, but the last three or four all show white text. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:18, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
:I don't know for sure. I ''think'' black text is "supposed" to be "right", or intended/believed so by a few people (at this point in time, that's mostly just an impression I can't solidly back up), but I honestly think the ORAS colors are a little too dark to contrast with black text well, so I actually prefer the white, myself. But I've not at all tried to force or argue that opinion anywhere. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
::I've seen both in use. Sometimes, I only see one (I have seen OR white and AS dark on the same line). So yeah, everyone seems to be doing their own thing until the data is added, then it can be made uniform later I guess. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:29, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Just talked to Kogs about it. The consensus is that white text should be used for both OR and AS. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:32, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Check. All right, I'll have to review all of the Hoenn Pokémon pages; I've seen both black and white used in the Pokédex entries as well. Tiddlywinks, feel free to nab any before I get to 'em if you're in the area anyway. Or, HT14, would using a bot be better? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:34, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::Just refer to me as ht or ht14 =P Uhh, I do not have control of any bots. I would say manual is better; while you're at it, you could add Pokédex entries (aha! that's the word) that you may have missed first-hand. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:37, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::Since I'll be in the area anyway for some edits, I will certainly notice if anything is missing, so that should not be a problem. I'll copy the colour text on the clipboard so I can just throw it in; I have to check doing both at once on the location entries since most lines will have both at once, too. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 04:43, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

== Wailmer ==
I see the difference now. I think it's possible just to superscript both in the same line. I'll demonstrate in a moment. If it was the only place to find in each game, I'd have no problem with separate entries, but with so many entries superscripts is the way to go, I think. I'll look into this change for anything else found in the water area entering the hideout as well (I think Tentacool is in that group among others). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:10, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Wailmer_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&curid=2673&diff=2229188&oldid=2229182 Done.] Let me know if there's still any problem with that. Still cleaner than listing everything twice. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
::{{p|Basculin}} has similar problems, being split between B/W and B2/W2 because of Blue-striped vs Red-striped, despite a significant string of locations (not quite approaching Wailmer, though). If I wanted to spend more time searching, I'm sure I could find more examples than those just in the hideouts, too. And then there's probably some number of Pokemon who have a small number of identical locations, with one that's different between versions.
::If you want to "fix" this sort of problem, I think you should consult a staff member first. I have a feeling, though, that it simply defeats the purpose of the template.
::Also: if you don't expect to take long, it'd probably be wiser to just prep your edit and your message and post both at the same time, rather than leaving two messages here just a short interval apart. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:22, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
:::My bad, for some reason I thought you were a staff member. I will definitely suggest it though (not this moment, but at some point) as I've seen the practice in use elsewhere in other templates; I don't think it would be an issue, but yeah, not our call either way. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:45, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

== Fansites as sources ==

Hello. I just wanted to drop a friendly reminder since I saw this mentioned in one of your edit summaries. Fansite, including Serebii, are never acceptable sources for mainspace, intended mainspace articles, or information intended to be added to articles. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:52, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
:All information I have has a source here. But in some cases I used Serebii to figure out where that information is, because it wasn't complete or obvious here (to me at least). As an example: I had Togepi marked as unobtainable in ORAS. Checking Serebii's unobtainables, I saw Togepi wasn't in that list, looked up Togepi's location on Serebii and then checked that ([[Lavaridge Town]]) here. Now I have Togepi and its relatives marked correctly. The same sort of thing happened for a few others. But this (using another site to correct a mistake that can be—and is—also verified here) is not against any rules to my knowledge. You shall have to enlighten me if I am mistaken.
:I know well to confirm things from other sites as much as possible, and to try to hold them at arm's length if it's not possible. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
::So long as you doublecheck it in hard-copy yourself, that should be fine. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 06:07, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

== Rematches ==

Can you do a quick scan of the page right now and make sure there are no obvious errors? I'm still questioning the Timothy one because I have no unlockables between the Balance and Feather Badges, but other than that I think the bulk of it is correct. I mentioned the Mysterious Sisters on [[Sea Mauville]], however, and that they are pretty much locked in their room until you have Dive, which means either the dump data is incorrect or there's a set of rematches for them that a player can never do without cheating (and I don't know if I can cheat to that extent with the Power Saves to get access to Room 1).

I'll be adding the remaining Routes while on my way to the seventh Badge (since the entire map is unlocked with Mossdeep except for Evergrande and [[Sky Pillar]]. I'll add Meteor Falls and Victory Road either during a lull after that or after getting the final Badge. I may not even have to spend time in AS doing that, either; I can go to OR and pick up in the eight Badge standing (I am saved after a little training right after getting the Badge, haven't even gone to the waterfall yet), then I just have to get to the Pokémon League. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:If a match isn't available, it's of course perfectly fine to just say "X is their first match and Y is their first rematch". And if someone eventually finds a way to get the other match, then it can be added then (if the way to get there is legit; otherwise, it's not worth it).
:I've been messing with XY a bit so in ORAS I'm still just in Slateport. So, just scanning your page, I can't say there's much obviously wrong. I'll check Timothy when I can. And I thought about using the dumped Trainer data to check if the Pokemon where you have uncertain items (mostly "Oran Berry?") actually have those items, but I haven't gotten around to that. That's all I can say right now. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:44, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
::I've been checking Oran Berries by attacking such that they are under half their life, rather than completely KOing them. So far, all Oran Berries are verified, but I'm suspicious of Sitrus Berries in the final rematches. I need to bring my Linoone (Covet; Skitty learns it eventually, as well) into a few battles to see if other items can be found on other Trainers. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:15, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:::If you're intent on checking it in-game, it's a lot simpler to use a {{a|Frisk}}er. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:55, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Good point, except it only checks on entering battle. I'd have to keep sending it out and back in. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::Or use two. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:23, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::Haha, yes. But I also have two Covet users. Once levels are high enough, that's easy to do except where three or more are battled - and I can just redo the battle without saving quite easily or do the battle again later. Since most won't have items, it's not going to matter which method is used. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:30, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

==About Secret Bases==
I don't know much about the origin of it, but might the Alpha/Beta/Gamma stuff be related to game code? It seems like that'd be an easy a way to list them in the game code. That's the only way I can see it making sense. [[User:Voltdetector|Voltdetector]] ([[User talk:Voltdetector|talk]]) 05:27, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
:The person who added that info left a message at [[Talk:Secret Base#Locations and Layouts]]. In short: It's not. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:38, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

== THANKS! ==

Thank you for undoing the line I did in the Trivia section from the B2W2 page!

== Berry Group Snafu ==

It looks like somewhere along the line we forgot to check our math, and screwed up the Berry Group EV yields. Group 1 Berries mixed with Group 3 berries produce a EV increase of 16, not 12. Likewise, Group 1 berries mixed with group 2 berries produces a 12 EV increasing juice. So the question is, do we fix the table to relay this info...or do we go through the task of re-checking every combo? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 05:56, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
:In the [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1#Could you spellcheck this Chart please?|original discussion]], the basic data should be just fine. After that, it looks like the one BIG table had correct numbers, but somehow I/we screwed up the others. I think I noticed the problem when I made my [[User:Tiddlywinks/Juice Shoppe|user page]], but I didn't touch Lumiose because I expected it to get mainspaced/split soon anyway. (But no, here we are, near to a year after I made it...) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:51, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

== Undoing my edits ==

You explained why you undid my edits, and I agree that this is a thing that needs to be discussed about. However, I also made some smaller, definately acceptable edits onto those pages at the same time, and you undid them as well along with your reversion. Could you please restore them? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 09:13, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:You don't really need my permission for that sort of thing, but I went ahead and did it (though I may have missed some). One thing I did notice that I've never really liked on most pages is "Being defeated". To me, that almost sounds like a sentence fragment or incomplete thought, so I usually change it if I edit that sort of quote (though I still think there could be something clearer). Also, the trivia you added for Emma [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e74qaD4uRJc#t=4m30s was wrong] (or I'm misunderstanding your point). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:06, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

== ORAS wild items ==

Two things: I can't access that website due to it being blocked by my computer, and I am not sure that that website is accepted as a source of info on bulbapedia, so using it may be inadvisable. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 11:58, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
:It's dumped from ORAS (or just AS, iirc) directly, by a basically trustworthy person. I've duplicated the pastebin file [[User:Tiddlywinks/ORAS items|here]], minus the empty entries, so that you can use the data. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:17, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
::That list does not give any clue about the probability of each item (via DexNav or normal encounters), which is the hard thing to get, nor does it cover the OR exclusive Pokémon, and the Pokémon exclusive to Rock Smash are probably excluded. The rates of the items are just as important as the items themselves. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 10:24, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
:::You've already added some items without rates... There's no reason, then, that you can't use that list to add more items...if you are going to add any more items, I guess. (Perhaps you've changed your mind now and decided that you won't be adding any items unless you know all the details you mentioned above.)
:::The items on that list follow a reliable pattern. If you spend any time finding items on wild Pokemon in ORAS (where the Pokemon can have two items), you'll know that the first item listed on that page is the most common and the second item is the rarer. Game-exclusives are no barrier since they can simply be tested manually. And item rates can also be empirically tested. Just test a big enough number of Pokemon and it'll be fine (I've always thought 500 was a nice goal). If you wish, it can certainly be noted somehow that the rates are not guaranteed to be perfectly accurate (like "~5%" for instance); but an estimate (well-done) is still much better than nothing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

== Sprite images==

Hi there and thanks for the help before. I just need you help for something. I've noticed that in the {{tc|Swimmer}} page, Swimmer Richard in FR/LG section did not exist. I've gone and added him but I can't figure out how to add the sprites for his Pokemon. Please help.[[User:Cooltrainer nick|Cooltrainer nick]] 22:15, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
:Done. The mistake you made was that you need to write 3-digit numbers for a Pokemon's number in that template. That's why just "72" wasn't working. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

== Shuffle Pokédex ==

I already asked SnorlaxMonster to assist, but would you also mind if I ask you to look at [[User:CycloneGU/List_of_Pokémon_by_Pokémon_Shuffle_Browser_number|my browser page]] for Shuffle? The Pokémon in the game are organized by Dex number; Mew, for instance, is #159, and recent catches Cottonee and Petilil are #131 and #133 respectively. I've only set the starters to be visible ATM, and I'm trying to create an [[User:CycloneGU/Template:Sdex|Sdex template]] that, once set up correctly, will be what is referenced in that table instead of Adex (which is where Dark Power comes from, it's in the Adex template where Darkrai is the demo). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
:I'm primarily interested in the core games. I don't really know how to judge your template, and I can't muster the interest required to familiarize myself with the game enough to understand and critique it. Sorry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:17, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
::No worries. I wanted to get something started for that so that others can improve on it, and I myself like puzzle games (though never bought Trozei or any of those, only got it because it's free LOL). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:29, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

== Topgepi Doll ==

I think there's a [//www.google.com/search?pws=0&q=%22topgepi+doll%22&nfpr=1&sa=X pretty good case] to be made that it actually says "Topgepi" in RS. I'll have to try and check myself later, though. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:56, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

== Frogadier's voice Actor ==

Ash Frogadier was voiced the same as Froakie. Here is proof. [[Billy Bob Thompson]] 15:54, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
--JasonL 15:55, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
:1) Use preview, please... 2) There's no "proof" there. If you think there is, quote it to me here. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:56, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
::Well Frogadier was voiced just like Sanpei's Froagadier and when it became a Greninja.--JasonL 16:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
:::You're making comparisons. That's not proof. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:11, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
::::Then what proof should I get?--JasonL 16:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC) [[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]])
:::::Generally it's something like the actor's website, or contacting them directly (on Twitter or something), or probably an interview or something. In short, you should be able to point to someone who knows for sure. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:49, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
::::::How about this proof https://www.facebook.com/BillyBobThomps. --JasonL 17:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]])
:::::::I don't seem anything there that claims Frogadier.
:::::::Also, a tip: follow the indents in a conversation. If the last comment starts with three ":"s, start yours with four so that yours is indented one step farther than theirs. It makes everything easier to read in general. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:28, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Now do you understand? I already know Frogadier was voiced as Billy Bob. Thanks for double checking..--JasonL 20:37, 28 February 2015 (UTC) [[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]])
::::::::Hi I just wanted to pop into this discussion here. We generally don't add information until it is confirmed, even though it may be blatantly obvious. The pages on Billy Bob Thompson do say that he voices Frogadier as a whole, but it doesn't directly say that he voices ''Ash's'' Frogadier in particular-for all we know, this particular Frogadier could have a different voice actor (though I kind of agree that it's blatantly obvious it's Thompson). Bottom line, here in Bulbapedia, unconfirmed info is not added to Bulbapedia even if it may be blatantly obvious. You may think it sucks, but you still have to abide by that. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|ScraftyIsTheBest]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 20:48, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Okay. And Tiddlywinks, could you tell ForceFire that Ash's Frogadier English Voice Actor is already confirmed.--JasonL 09:18, 1 March 2015 (UTC) [[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]])

== Edit summary ==

Hello. I just want to point out that edit summaries like the one you wrote [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Mauville_City&curid=3458&diff=2256033&oldid=2256028 here] are rude and uncalled for, especially because it concerns a very minor typo. Typo's and small mistakes like those happen all the time to everyone, sometimes they even happen if you do preview or double-check. If the editor didn't notice, it's up to other alert editors to silently correct those mistakes. Either be more neutral with your choice of words in your edit summary, or don't say anything at all. Thank you. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 00:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
:I would not call the typo minor, as it caused a very visible misformat of the table. I was exasperated by the mistake, and that did lead to my choice of wording, a choice I will readily admit was not neutral; but I don't really think I crossed any line. I really think it was rather mild.
:I think your standard is very low (or I may have invited some amount prejudice against myself throughout my "career" here), but for whatever it's worth, I do hear your warning. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
::It might not be as minor as I first perceived, but it's still a mistake that is easily made. Of course everyone should be motivated to double-check or use the preview button, but with mistakes like these it's better to just correct and leave it be. If it's a continuing problem with an editor, you can of course warn them about this on their talk page, or notify an administrator so they could review the editor and possibly put them on force-preview.
::You did not exactly cross a line, but I still perceived it as rude as there is a difference between saying "how hard is it to use the preview button?", and saying something neutral like "correcting a typo you made there". Notice the difference? That's all I'm saying.
::Lastly, I can assure you there is no such thing as prejudice against you. I don't know where you're getting this. All editors are treated equally in equal situations, unless they're blatant vandals. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 01:20, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia's {{bp|warning policy}} talks about "unofficial warnings". That's actually what I basically intended, precisely because I didn't figure it enough to take to a talk page or staff member. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
::::It is not about that you wrote an edit summary, it is about the way how you wrote it (see my previous message). My apologies if it came across as if I was trying to say you aren't allowed to warn editors in edit summaries. You can, but in a polite and neutral way. If you just notify them of making a typo in a neutral way in the edit summary, they will also pick up on their mistake, without having to be blunt about it.
::::Now I know this is all a matter of perception, which is why these kind of situations are rather difficult, but it is preferred to stay very neutral in edit summaries. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 01:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

== Groudon trivia ==

It is notable for Groudon, as it indicates that it will be added to the game, and it is a feature shared by only three Pokémon, with one of the other two being a counterpart to Groudon, making it a more notable feature. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 05:20, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
:Trivia around this site generally obeys a maxim: "not unique = not notable". Personally, even if it were only Groudon, I'd still be really dubious about its noteworthiness on Groudon's page, 1) because I think Shuffle is pretty niche, and 2) because it's not a mascot or anything, it's just one of a bunch of Pokemon shown (and explaining Groudon's presence doesn't have to lead to "he'll definitely be in the game", that's just speculation).
:But in the end, if you want to press it, you'd best take it to a staff member. Until then, I'll follow the rule "not unique = not notable", because it looks to be violating that to me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:09, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
::1. Pokémon Shuffle is not pretty niche, only somewhat niche, as shown by how it has already been downloaded more than 1 milion times from the eStore.
::2. Compare Pokémon Shuffle to Candy Crush (never played it, but I have read about it), many similarities would be visible. As what I have read about Candy Crush indicates that more levels have been added as the game has been updated and Pokémon Shuffle is currently so short, this indicates that many more levels will probably be added to the game. Also, why would Nintendo make a graphical designer make more sprites for Pokémon just to put them in the background of one image (particularly one that is supposed to represent the game and its content)?
::3. When added to an article, such a potential reason would have somthing like "probably", "may" or "raises suspicions that" added to it as a qualifier.
::4. Hacking both Sableye and Spiritomb to have Wonderguard being common in generations IV and V is notable enough to enter the trivia section for both Pokémon, and it could be argued that the Pokémon with costumes based off them in Pokémon Battle Revolution have a non-unique feature in their trivia, as there are six such Pokémon (including Groudon).
::5. Is that maxim actually written into policy anywhere on the site?
::6. Groudon is genderless, so that "he" is inaccurate. While it is not against anything on talk pages, it cannot apply in article pages (exept for the cases (if any) where the game in question for that case treats Groudon as male).
::[[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 06:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
:::To 5: I believe it is not written anywhere that is fully official, but it is commonly enforced.
:::The rest is really not worth my effort to respond to. It's either not related to the main reason I removed the trivia or it's directly related and arguing the policy between the two of us won't really get us anywhere (since I have no influence on policy). So as I said..."''if you want to press it, you'd best take it to a staff member. Until then, I'll follow the rule "not unique = not notable", because it looks to be violating that to me.''" [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:04, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

== DexNav ==

Not entirely sure what your [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=DexNav&curid=200394&diff=2260038&oldid=2259019 edit comment] is saying there, but after catching a Pokémon (say, Zorua on Route 101), it will NOT appear in the Pokédex until you get the National Dex, even when caught. I've tested this with other non-native catches. However, it WILL appear on the habitat map and you can search for it like any other. Therefore, if a player has imported all non-native from the beginning, the habitat maps will show them after the legendary battle; however, I do not believe they will appear even there until that point because the medal progress changes, as some town areas convert automatically to Platinum status without a single new Pokémon. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:47, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
:When you say habitat map, I think you're talking about the "catching progress"/default map of the DexNav. The "habitat" view at question was within the Pokedex: you open the Pokedex and select a Pokemon, and that shows info like species, type, height, and weight (much of which is blank if the Pokemon is not owned), and at the bottom is a button marked "Habitat". That habitat button shows the basic Hoenn Town Map with any places where the Pokemon can appear covered by white dots (or squares).
:'''What I know''': if I see or catch Ponyta, I can open the National Pokedex and check out the habitat view for Ponyta, and Route 112 and Jagged Pass are marked.
:'''What I don't know''': if I don't have the National Pokedex—but I have defeated Groudon/Kyogre—if I catch Ponyta and then bring up Ponyta's Found Pokemon screen on the DexNav and go from there to Ponyta's Pokedex entry and check the habitat view, will Ponyta be recognized as being on Route 112 and Jagged Pass? (That's the only way I can think to get to the habitat view.)
:FWIW, I'm on course to answer the "I don't know" part myself soon enough. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:11, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
::Since it has no Pokédex entry, the answer is no. I can plug in AS, however, as I have not picked up the National Dex and have Kyogre caught there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:13, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
:::You're half right, I guess. If I don't have the National Pokedex and I've caught a Ponyta, I ''can'' bring up a Pokedex entry from the Found Pokemon screen, but if I look at the Habitat screen there, it says "No Reported Sightings" (and also, all of Ponyta's info in the entry is unknown). But, I'm not sure if it's worth noting on the [[DexNav]] page. (It isn't for me, right now.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:16, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

I don't do this often, but I'd really like to thank you for all the hard work you've put into gathering info from the Generation VI games. It's clear to me that you invest a significant amount of time and effort to do this, and I really appreciate it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:48, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks. =) (And short of starting a speech, that's about all I can say. =P ) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:34, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

== Character encodings ==

Are you planning on working on the character encodings for any other Pokémon games? Those would definitely be useful. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
:I'm playing with Gen I (Yellow) at this very moment. I'll probably jump at Gen II afterwards. Gen IV and V are kind of intimidating, more or less because the latest ROMs I've looked at are Gen III, so I may or may not touch those ones any time soon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:52, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
::I've got some great places for you to start for Generation I and II, although you've likely found at least one list already. ([http://glitchcity.info/biglist.htm], [http://hax.iimarck.us/post/9778/#p9778]). Generation II at least in terms of non-control characters seems to be very similar to Generation I, but it interestingly has "&" and Japanese double quotes (『』); unchanged in the English versions that Generation I does not have that you can actually enter in mail. Another link of interest is [http://forums.glitchcity.info/index.php?topic=7052.0 this] regarding early character indices for English Generation II. I'm unsure if they are intentional. [[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 05:04, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
:::I've never even bothered looking for it on other sites, actually. That first GlitchCity link is nice, though; it explains the 0x6# characters that I couldn't really tell the difference of (I never tried comparing them). Of course, from what I noticed in Yellow's ROM, it didn't look like most of them were used in obvious text. But anyway, thanks! =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:34, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
::::You're welcome. [[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 14:27, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}Have you yet managed to find the character encoding for the Japanese and Korean releases of the Generation II games? From what I've heard, the Latin alphabet has the exact same indices in the Korean games due to them being intercompatible. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:33, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
:I got heavily side-tracked when I really started exploring the pokered disassembly. But thanks to the exploration I've been doing, I think I may be able to figure out (non-control) characters for any given language fairly easily (and I guess the control characters would mostly be the same, give or take the string outputs), so I'll try to give it a look this weekend. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:16, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
::The Korean game does text ''weird''... It looks like it builds characters on the fly somehow, and ''each'' character that appears on the screen is written in a special part of RAM (after long enough, the "page" fills up and it wraps around and starts overwriting the first characters that were displayed). I don't know what chances I have of figuring it out, especially being largely unfamiliar with Korean. I'm gonna try some trial and error with stuff later on to see what, if anything, I can learn, but at the moment, that's all I can say. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:04, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
:::I'm going to guess how it works; I tried playing around with it once but got bored quickly.
:::The Korean language works by having lots of letters (each separate part of the block) and then stacks them into a syllable. Storing each block individually would take far more than 8-bits; from Generation IV onwards this approach was used due to having 16-bits to encode characters.
:::{{wp|List of hangul jamo|Each Korean letter}} has a codepoint roughly in order from 00 (or 01?) onwards. The Latin alphabet is still in the game and is used for the credits, sharing the same codepoints with the European language games (which Korean G/S can trade with, oddly enough). End of syllable bytes (50?) mark the end of each hangul block. {{unsigned|Abcboy}}
::::I've made [[User:Tiddlywinks/Korean character encoding in Generation II]]. For now it's not complete, but it should have the major part of what you wanted to know. I'll complete the rest later on. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:22, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

== So on that other page for Base Exps for Gen I-IV Pokémon... ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_effort_value_yield_(Generation_III-IV) Enjoy. {{unsigned|Trainer Yusuf}}

== Regarding the packs ==

Hey Tiddlywinks, with regards to the Battle e packs and the website that you sourced, the only reason I wrote out those Trainer classes was because the website said so. That being said, from what I've seen, the Trainer class for those is indeed VR Trainer and not what the website said. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:22, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
:Well, the yakkun site's Trainer classes are after a fashion correct for both the card Trainers and the bonus Trainers. Bulbapedia just has different standards (or I do). FWIW, one video I also took some information from but never apparently sourced was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeWT57NOCao (and that video includes Vigo at about 20m30s, the bonus Trainer for [[Yellow Pack (Battle e)|Yellow]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:40, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
::Ahh, I see. Yeah, I was watching that same video previously that had VR Trainer Vigo, so I understand completely. As a side note, I have just asked him if he could help us out with providing battle information. Hopefully that works out. Nice find of the website by the way. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 15:16, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

== Preview button ==
So I should use it every time? [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 17:43, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

== RE:Special skills addendum ==

In reguards to that, it's a result I have observed by having two in my base at the same time for several days running, and always getting the same one from both on any day when I used them, not the same result via soft resets. As my edit summary said, it's a result from 1.2, so it may be different now. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 11:55, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

== On hacking ==

I know that practically anything can be done by hacking the games but the idea is to describe what exactly is achieved by doing it in the given scenario. After all, you can't go further by mentioning cheat codes, which aren't any different from explaining how to modify the values of memory addresses directly, as it is not allowed on Bulbapedia according to [[User:SnorlaxMonster|SnorlaxMonster]]. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 10:56, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
:If you're trying to sway me somehow, I'm sorry to say for the life of me I can't really tell what you're trying to say (in almost any regard). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:22, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
::I'm referring to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Time&oldid=2290936 this]. I was just giving you insight on why I added that tidbit. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 11:26, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
:::I get the basic cause for your message; it's the content that escapes my (full) comprehension. For instance, the referents for "it" and "given scenario" are not (to me) nearly so clear as I imagine you thought they were. On the other hand, if all you intended was to offer insight, then I'm not too concerned if I can't understand it all well enough. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:51, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
::::"it" refers to the process of hacking, "given scenario" (in this case) means the clock reset screen. I wasn't more specific because this applies to every other case in which an article could say that hacking the game would allow you to obtain a desired result. Take the unused Super Game Boy border in Pokémon Crystal, for example. We talk about it but we can't mention how to activate it because listing cheat codes is a no-no. People who come across that information on Bulbapedia have to look somewhere else for more (TCRF, for example). [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 12:05, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

==[[User_talk:Blueapple128#Mea_culpa_.28Honey.29|Re:]] Mea culpa ([[Honey]])==
It's OK. :) [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] ([[User talk:Blueapple128|talk]]) 15:16, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

== PSS Icons ==

The higher-ups made [[Talk:Viola#Adding Gym Leader PSS Icons|a decision]] on the Gym Leader PSS icons and your alternate source. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 21:08, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
:I saw it. I don't really have an excuse for not doing anything about it except that I'm super lazy and focused on other things. Half of it is also, though, that I've not gotten explicit permission for the exact source that I know for the PSS icons. The source is [https://github.com/kwsch/PKHeX/tree/master/Resources/img/Trainer%20Sprites here]. I [[User talk:Zesty Cactus#Gen VI uploads|previously]] got permission from Zesty Cactus for at least one link (but really wanted a few, not all of which I provided because I wasn't sure of the process at the time), but I'm afraid that if someone directly asked and I tried to claim that as my approval for the PSS icons, I wouldn't have any ground to stand on. The PKHeX program is one of Kaphotics' projects on GitHub, and he pointed me there when I queried him about sprites and stuff in a PM on Project Pokemon.
:Would it be too much for me to "hand" this off to you? So maybe you can confirm with the powers-that-be whether or not those PSS icons from PKHeX really can be used, and then upload them yourself if so? (Again, this is more or less entirely just because I'm lazy and more interested in other things at the moment, and I'm supposing you might be invested enough to be willing to take this up. So, sorry for putting this burden on you...) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:13, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
::Not quite getting why you think you don't have Kaphotics' permission. Did you not mention you wanted them for Bulbapedia or something? [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:15, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
:::It's not Kaphotics' permission I'm unsure of. It's staff's. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:29, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
::::That's just what Zesty gave you; the permission she's talking about is Kaphotics'. But no matter, I'm fine with doing it. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 00:56, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

== Personality Value / Gender ==
First off, the summary is much better now; thank you. However, I still question having a textual summary of an algorithm, without giving pseudocode; why not have both? Anyone who legitimately follow the pseudocode can still refer to the improved summary. Plus, pseudocode is unambiguous - sure, I don't see any confusing part of the newly revised summary, but I'm a native English speaker, and it may come off confusing to someone less familiar with English. Pseudocode crosses language boundaries.

I just don't see a reason to ''not'' have both. It can only (possibly) increase the number of people who could potentially understand it.
:Sorry, I left off my signature.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] ([[User talk:Goukazaru|talk]]) 05:55, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
::On the one hand, my feeling is that if we follow that logic and include it there, why not pretty much everywhere? (And that "everywhere" can apply to quite a number of places.) I think that would just get messy.
::And on the other hand, this ''is'' an English wiki. Catering to non-English speakers (or, past a certain point (good writing, mainly), non-native speakers) is not really a driving force behind decisions made here. Just from a pratical viewpoint, I would say that ESL visitors of this site take the hazard of not understanding something on themselves, basically. And if anyone really wants, there are any number of places to ask for clarification (and I don't mean just around Bulbagarden). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:51, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

== Variations ==

[[User talk:TehPerson#Move variations|Staff will soon be discussing the variation mess.]] Can you avoid touching those until something happens with that? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:19, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
:Is that so, not just moves, Abilities too? I get discussing move variations. Out of curiosity, what exactly (or generally) is at issue regarding Ability variations? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:34, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
::I don't know what exactly, but I do know that we will probably be discussing Abilities too. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:50, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

== Rock Smash Pokémon Levels ==

Possibly along the lines of the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Kalos_Route_7&diff=2313055&oldid=2313015 Psyduck/Roselia hordes]:

I encountered some wild Pokémon from Rock Smash that don't match the level ranges on the location pages; specifically:
* a level 13 Dwebble in [[Ambrette Town#Pokémon|Ambrette Town]] (vs. 18-20)
* a level 14 Dwebble on [[Kalos Route 8#Pokémon|Route 8]] (vs. 18-20)
* a level 13 Binacle and some level 13/14 Dwebbles in [[Cyllage City#Pokémon|Cyllage City]] (vs. 15-17 for Binacle and 15, 17 for Dwebble)
(I also encountered 4 level 15 Dwebbles in [[Glittering Cave#Pokémon|Glittering Cave]], which does fit the range of 15, 17.)

I figure you're a good person to notify/ask about this, since you added the current ranges (with revision notes about double-checking them).

[[User:Nokob|Nokob]] ([[User talk:Nokob|talk]]) 01:03, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

== Valerie's wings ==

why did you revert my edit? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 03:01, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Berrenta

2015-07-26T02:59:33Z

Valehd: /* horray! */ new section

{{User:Berrenta/Talk Page Size}}

== May I... ==

May I copy the code of [[User:Berrenta/Talk Page Size|Talk Page Size]] user template? It is said to the rules that users must ask permission to copy the code of something snazzy in their talk page or user page, and I did it. Thank you! --~~[[User:Pokéfan95|ThePokémonFan]][[User talk:Pokéfan95|Since]][[Special:Contributions/Pokéfan95|1995]]~~-- 04:59, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
:I don't mind. You can replace any instance of my username with yours for your version. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 12:04, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks! I will make it different so this is semi-unique. I can't do it yet, because I am using my 3DS. I will do it when I am using a computer or iPad. --~~[[User:Pokéfan95|ThePokémonFan]][[User talk:Pokéfan95|Since]][[Special:Contributions/Pokéfan95|1995]]~~-- 03:38, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
:::Sounds good. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 04:50, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

== Dawn image file ==

Earlier, I moved a image file name called ''Dawn Anime.png'' to [[a:File:Dawn DP 3.png]]. I was able to fix the link on all of the pages it was used on except for Darkeiya's userpage due to the page being protected. Can you fix said link to the current link or Darkeiya could do it if she isn't busy at the moment? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:30, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
:Consider it done. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 04:03, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 04:28, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

==Diamond Crater Page==
I think someone copied and pasted my working page from my userspace into mainspace. I've reviewed the page and have found inaccuracies; for instance, 2 Star bosses so far have not appeared in the Special stage, and it has Lopunny - the 1 Star boss - appearing in the Entrance area, which also does not happen. Therefore, can you please delete [[Diamond Crater]]? I'm almost done (the page structure is actually complete and ready to move as it is, I just have a couple of things to check at Pearl Marsh and am moving both).

I've also educated the user on the existing userspace pages (so far up to [[Origin Hideaway]]) and invited any assistance. These and especially later ones will take a while unless I splurge on Diamonds. LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:26, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
:To update this, I expect to be moving Black Realm and White Ruins into place later this evening as I have completed those lists. Just found and caught the other two members of the Flygon family and saw the Delibird silhouette, so that finishes the Unova group. Love how the text says "find lots of 'region' Pokémon here!" but half of them are from another region... [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:01, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
::Diamond Crater should be freed up now. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 20:24, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
:::Noted. I think all four pages are ready to go, so I'll get templates set up for two later areas (I bought 1,000 Diamonds, must say I like how Nintendo is doing this game and am supporting it, cheaper than Rumble Blast after all LMAO) then do a final review and move. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:33, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

== White Ruins ==

It seems I cannot move {{redlink|User:CycloneGU/White Ruins}} to '''White Ruins'''. Can you please do this? It's strange as I can create a page at White Ruins right now, but that nixes the edit history. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:55, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
:On research, it's the name of an anime location. I'll move the page to attach (anime) but the resulting redirect will need to be nixed. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:56, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
::I just checked "what links here" on it. There's a lot there. What is your opinion on this; is it worthwhile going through all of those? It seems weird that we'd have to label one differently, but it seems inappropriate to add (Rumble World area) on every single page name to have consistency; I'd rather either merge the pages or put (anime) on that one, which I've done. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 00:02, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
:::After all that, please disregard. Looks like Abcboy took my suggestion of a disambiguation page. I'll see if I can help relink some things there. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:07, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
::::Sounds good. I would have considered a disambiguation page as well when a case like that happens. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 04:36, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. This was a perfect case of where multiple uses of something both have legitimate numerous references; the anime one being a pivotal point in the story, and the one in the game being the source of game information for five different stages. Which still makes the [[Brendan]] treatment confusing; I know on [[Brendan (game)|that talk page]] I had pointed out that, if an anime form of Brendan ever appears, we can disambiguate it at that time; however, it seems "consistency" was preferred and '''Brendan''' just redirects every time it's brought up. That continues to confuse me since I'm sure that uses additional resources (to redirect) than just putting it at that location in the first place and repointing all Wikilinks there. LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

== Evobox-4 template ==

Hello, Berrenta. While I am browsing Bulbapedia, I visited the [[Pidgeot]] article when I found out it have a Mega Evolution (I don't know it have one...). I just clicked the artwork of Mega Pidgeot. Then I found out that it is also linked to [[User:Iml908/Mega Pidgeot]]. I checked out the source, and it uses an user template. I go to the main user template and clicked the history. I found out it is created June 2014. I think this is meant to be moved to the Template namespace, so I think to message you. Can you move it please to {{redlink|Template:Evobox-4}}? That template is really useful. Maybe the creator didn't use the {{template|mainspace}} template so no one haven't knew it. Lucky me I found it. Thank you! --~~[[User:Pokéfan95|ThePokémonFan]][[User talk:Pokéfan95|Since]][[Special:Contributions/Pokéfan95|1995]]~~-- 12:48, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
:I don't mean to answer, but I was just in the neighbourhood right above this. I'm a little confused. Are you suggesting that the template on that user's page needs to be moved into the template space? If so, templates don't need to be moved into the mainspace unless they are being used by an article in the mainspace. Further, templates can be used in userspace while a page is being prepped for mainspace; I did this at [[List of Pokémon by Pokémon Shuffle list number]]. I believe if a user page is the only one using it, the template should be in userspace. Is there a mainspace article that is using the template in question? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
::Actually, I just researched this. For Berrenta's reference, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Iml908/Template:Evobox-4 here is what links to it]; everything is in userspace, and it seems to be an abandoned project. I'll leave it to Berrenta to decide whether the project should be moved to mainspace. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:30, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
:::I'll go bring this up with the other staff members, and see what they think, as I may not be able to act on it right away. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 21:52, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
::::I hope they will accept my request, as it is really useful. --~~[[User:Pokéfan95|ThePokémonFan]][[User talk:Pokéfan95|Since]][[Special:Contributions/Pokéfan95|1995]]~~-- 07:17, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::Since we do not count Mega Evolutions as an evolution, we won't be needing the template.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:51, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::Huh? I don't know it doesn't count in Bulbapedia. --~~[[User:Pokéfan95|ThePokémonFan]][[User talk:Pokéfan95|Since]][[Special:Contributions/Pokéfan95|1995]]~~-- 08:40, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::::The games doesn't call them an evolution either, just a transformation method.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:54, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Nintendo must have call it Mega Transformation instead... I also created a user template. It is called [[User:Pokéfan95/Template:Evobox-Primal|Evobox-Primal]]. I also created two test pages. They are [[User:Pokéfan95/Template:Evobox-Primal/Primal Groudon|Primal Groudon]] and [[User:Pokéfan95/Template:Evobox-Primal/Primal Kyogre|Primal Kyogre]]. {{unsigned|Pokéfan95}}

== New Arceus Switch Test (Rumble World) ==

I'm trying to figure out [[User:CycloneGU/Sandbox#Date Formulas|what I did wrong]]. If you were to click "Edit" on the page or section, and then immediately click Preview, the switch in the first of two tables at that point on the page would indicate the next day's type, a Poison-type Arceus, for April 3 (this has been researched extensively and I have come to a conclusion of how it works, so plan to put it in the [[Legend Terrain]] table changing Arceus' type daily). However, looking at the page before editing, it shows the initial test and save from today (my time), which still says Flying (which is correct for April 2). I'm trying to figure out how to make it auto-update like the {{p|Castform}} and {{p|Shaymin}} articles and the Mediawiki doesn't seem to have that answer. Any help?

If you have an idea, go ahead and edit. After any changes, I'll wait until the next day after the changes to see if it works automatically. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 00:32, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

:You have to purge the page (using the clock up by your username) for it to update. Editing the page (or previewing it) also updates it. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:57, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
::Ah, and I see it just updated on its own, too. I clicked the clock on a different page and updated the Sandbox and it updated. So clicking the clock purges?

::Doesn't explain why Shaymin is showing Sky Forme right now; by UTC time, it should be showing Land Forme, I thought. But hey, at least the switch I'm trying out works. I'll go ahead and implement it, and perhaps add that table and a description of how it works so any casual viewers can understand. What do you think of including the date under the type in the table to further show that the type changes daily? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:11, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

:::BTW, I put in a tooltip on the Sandbox to try out nesting stuff; check that out if you'd like. The tooltip would work and can be used, but the explanation and type table would still be useful. The question is how to implement it now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:20, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

== New Electro Ball Picture ==

Here's a picture showing Magnezone's Electro Ball. What do u think?--[[User:JasonL|Poke Cool21]] ([[User talk:JasonL|Talk]]) 01:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
[http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150404175642/pokemon/images/3/32/Belmondo_Magnezone_Electro_Ball.png]
:Seeing that it's from a wikia, it may be risky to use it without their permission. You may get a better answer from an archives staff member. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 01:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the typos but i am german^^ {{unsigned|PokemontutorialTV}}

== Edit request ==

Hey Berrenta, since you were the one that previously discussed how to use the SmashMoves template, can you look over [[Template talk:SmashMoves|this]]? Particularly my comment. Thanks~! [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 05:29, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
:Should look proper for Brawl's case. It may need further adjustment for Smash 4, so it won't look as awkward. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 19:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

==Character Leak for SSB4==
In case you haven't heard yet two new downloadable characters have just been leaked. First Roy of Fire Emblem, much like Dr. Mario is also returning for Melee. Second another Capcom character will also be playable, Ryu from Street Fighter. Here is a source to verify this. [http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2486023,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121] -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 23:00, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:I've been aware of it. If they're not added already, I'll go right ahead, as they are officially confirmed. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 17:06, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

== Help, please ==

I think I might have discovered a new Glitch in ORAS, I just need to know if I just write down the steps to the glitch, or do I leave a Video.

Sincerely, LightningStrike43 {{Unsigned|Lightningstrike43}}
:Writing down the steps will be great, though you may also add a video with it. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:21, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

== horray! ==

congratulations on your promotion! --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 02:59, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Valerie

2015-07-25T19:56:17Z

Valehd: /* Trivia */ if you look closely at her wings, you can see this is true

{{Incomplete|needs=Missing Pokémon moves from 1st Battle Chateau match}}

{{CharInfobox |
color={{fairy color}} |
corecolor={{fairy color light}} |
bordercolor={{fairy color dark}} |
name=Valerie |
jname=マーシュ |
tmname=Mache |
slogan=yes |
sloganline=The maiden from a land with history. |
image=XY Valerie.png |
caption=Art from X and Y |
size=300px|
gender=Female |
colors=yes|
eyes=Gray |
hair=Black |
hometown=[[Laverre City]]|
region=[[Kalos]] (originally [[Johto]])  |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Gym Leader]] {{tc|Marchioness}}{{tt|*|Battle Chateau}} |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|VI}} |
games={{pkmn|X and Y}} |
leader=yes |
gym=Laverre Gym|
specialist=yes |
type={{t|Fairy}} type|
badge=Badge#Fairy Badge{{!}}Fairy Badge |
anime=yes |
epnum=XY073 |
epname=A Fashionable Battle! |
enva=TBD|
java=[[Satsuki Yukino]] |
}}

'''Valerie''' (Japanese: '''マーシュ''' ''Mache'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Laverre City]]'s Gym, known officially as the [[Laverre Gym]]. She specializes in {{type|Fairy}} Pokémon. She gives the {{badge|Fairy}} to Trainers who defeat her.

==In the games==
Valerie appears in [[Pokémon X and Y]] as a Gym Leader. She appears to possess a deep appreciation for all that is beautiful. Trainers who defeat Valerie will receive the {{badge|Fairy}}, along with {{TM|99|Dazzling Gleam}}. Valerie also seems to want to feel like a Pokémon, and she self-designed her costume in an attempt to identify herself with Pokémon. Also, according to the [[television]] show Gym Freaks, her outfit weighs 33 pounds. It also states that she used to be a model and as such can wear incredibly high heels.
===Pokémon===
===={{g|X and Y}}====
=====Gym battle=====
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|bordercolor={{fairy color dark}}
|headcolor={{fairy color light}}
|sprite=VSValerie.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}6,720
|class=Leader
|classlink=Gym Leader
|name=Valerie
|game=XY
|location=Laverre Gym
|pokemon=3
}}|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=303
|pokemon=Mawile
|level=38
|gender=female
|type1=Steel|type2=Fairy
|ability=Hyper Cutter
|move1=Feint Attack|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Iron Defense|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=122
|pokemon=Mr. Mime
|level=39
|gender=female
|type1=Psychic|type2=Fairy
|ability=Soundproof
|move1=Light Screen|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Reflect|move2type=Psychic|move2cat=Status
|move3=Psychic|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Dazzling Gleam|move4type=Fairy|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|pokemon=Sylveon
|ndex=700
|level=42
|gender=male
|type1=Fairy
|ability=Cute Charm
|move1=Dazzling Gleam|move1type=Fairy|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Swift|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Special
|move4=Charm|move4type=Fairy|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]]=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fairy color}}
|bordercolor={{fairy color dark}}
|headcolor={{fairy color light}}
|sprite=VSValerie.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}6,400{{tt|*|9,600 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Marchioness
|name=Valerie
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=2
}}|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=303
|pokemon=Mawile
|level=40
|gender=female
|type1=Steel|type2=Fairy
|ability=Intimidate
|move1=Iron Head|move1type=Steel|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Iron Defense|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Status
}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=700
|pokemon=Sylveon
|level=40
|gender=male
|type1=Fairy
|ability=Cute Charm
|move1=Draining Kiss|move1type=Fairy|move1cat=Special
|move2=Charm|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Status
}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]] - Blue Writ of Challenge=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fairy color}}
|bordercolor={{fairy color dark}}
|headcolor={{fairy color light}}
|sprite=VSValerie.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}4,800{{tt|*|7,200 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Marchioness
|name=Valerie
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=2
}}|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=303
|pokemon=Mawile
|level=30
|gender=female
|type1=Steel|type2=Fairy
|ability=Hyper Cutter
|move1=Feint Attack|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Bite|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Vice Grip|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sweet Scent|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=700
|pokemon=Sylveon
|level=30
|gender=male
|type1=Fairy
|ability=Cute Charm
|move1=Skill Swap|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Draining Kiss|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Special
|move3=Swift|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Special
|move4=Misty Terrain|move4type=Fairy|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]] - Writ of Challenge=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fairy color}}
|bordercolor={{fairy color dark}}
|headcolor={{fairy color light}}
|sprite=VSValerie.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}7,200{{tt|*|10,800 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Marchioness
|name=Valerie
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=2
}}|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=303
|pokemon=Mawile
|level=45
|gender=female
|type1=Steel|type2=Fairy
|ability=Hyper Cutter
|move1=Feint Attack|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Baton Pass|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Iron Defense|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=700
|pokemon=Sylveon
|level=45
|gender=male
|type1=Fairy
|ability=Cute Charm
|move1=Psych Up|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Moonblast|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Special
|move3=Last Resort|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Light Screen|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]] - Red Writ of Challenge=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fairy color}}
|bordercolor={{fairy color dark}}
|headcolor={{fairy color light}}
|sprite=VSValerie.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}8,000{{tt|*|12,000 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Marchioness
|name=Valerie
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=2
}}|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=303
|pokemon=Mawile
|level=50
|gender=female
|type1=Steel|type2=Fairy
|ability=Hyper Cutter
|move1=Spit Up|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sucker Punch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Stockpile|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Swallow|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=700
|pokemon=Sylveon
|level=50
|gender=male
|type1=Fairy
|ability=Cute Charm
|move1=Psych Up|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Moonblast|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Special
|move3=Last Resort|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Light Screen|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]] - Black Writ of Challenge=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fairy color}}
|bordercolor={{fairy color dark}}
|headcolor={{fairy color light}}
|sprite=VSValerie.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}9,600{{tt|*|14,400 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Marchioness
|name=Valerie
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=2
}}|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=303
|pokemon=Mawile
|level=60
|gender=female
|type1=Steel|type2=Fairy
|ability=Hyper Cutter
|move1=Play Rough|move1type=Fairy|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Swallow|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Spit Up|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Special
|move4=Iron Head|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=700
|pokemon=Sylveon
|level=60
|gender=male
|type1=Fairy
|ability=Cute Charm
|move1=Psych Up|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Moonblast|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Special
|move3=Last Resort|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Light Screen|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]] [[rematch]]=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fairy color}}
|bordercolor={{fairy color dark}}
|headcolor={{fairy color light}}
|sprite=VSValerie.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}8,000{{tt|*|12,000 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Marchioness
|name=Valerie
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=2
}}|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=303
|pokemon=Mawile
|level=50
|gender=female
|type1=Steel|type2=Fairy
|ability=Hyper Cutter
|move1=Play Rough|move1type=Fairy|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Stone Edge|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Iron Head|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=700
|pokemon=Sylveon
|level=50
|gender=male
|type1=Fairy
|ability=Cute Charm
|move1=Attract|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Draining Kiss|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Special
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Charm|move4type=Fairy|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]] [[rematch]] - Blue Writ of Challenge=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fairy color}}
|bordercolor={{fairy color dark}}
|headcolor={{fairy color light}}
|sprite=VSValerie.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}6,400{{tt|*|9,600 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Marchioness
|name=Valerie
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=2
}}|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=303
|pokemon=Mawile
|level=40
|gender=female
|type1=Steel|type2=Fairy
|ability=Hyper Cutter
|move1=Vice Grip|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Baton Pass|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Feint Attack|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=700
|pokemon=Sylveon
|level=40
|gender=male
|type1=Fairy
|ability=Cute Charm
|move1=Moonblast|move1type=Fairy|move1cat=Special
|move2=Light Screen|move2type=Psychic|move2cat=Status
|move3=Skill Swap|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Status
|move4=Misty Terrain|move4type=Fairy|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]] [[rematch]] - Writ of Challenge=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fairy color}}
|bordercolor={{fairy color dark}}
|headcolor={{fairy color light}}
|sprite=VSValerie.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}8,800{{tt|*|13,200 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Marchioness
|name=Valerie
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=2
}}|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=303
|pokemon=Mawile
|level=55
|gender=female
|type1=Steel|type2=Fairy
|ability=Hyper Cutter
|move1=Swallow|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Spit Up|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Special
|move3=Stockpile|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=700
|pokemon=Sylveon
|level=55
|gender=male
|type1=Fairy
|ability=Cute Charm
|move1=Light Screen|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Moonblast|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Special
|move3=Last Resort|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Psych Up|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]] [[rematch]] - Red Writ of Challenge=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fairy color}}
|bordercolor={{fairy color dark}}
|headcolor={{fairy color light}}
|sprite=VSValerie.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}9,600{{tt|*|14,400 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Marchioness
|name=Valerie
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=2
}}|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=303
|pokemon=Mawile
|level=60
|gender=female
|type1=Steel|type2=Fairy
|ability=Hyper Cutter
|move1=Swallow|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Spit Up|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Special
|move3=Iron Head|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Play Rough|move4type=Fairy|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=700
|pokemon=Sylveon
|level=60
|gender=male
|type1=Fairy
|ability=Cute Charm
|move1=Light Screen|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Moonblast|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Special
|move3=Last Resort|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Psych Up|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

=====[[Battle Chateau]] [[rematch]] - Black Writ of Challenge=====
{{Party/Single
|color={{fairy color}}
|bordercolor={{fairy color dark}}
|headcolor={{fairy color light}}
|sprite=VSValerie.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}11,200{{tt|*|16,800 when Gold Writ of Invitation is in effect}}
|class=Marchioness
|name=Valerie
|game=XY
|location=Battle Chateau
|pokemon=2
}}|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=303
|pokemon=Mawile
|level=70
|gender=female
|type1=Steel|type2=Fairy
|ability=Hyper Cutter
|move1=Swallow|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Spit Up|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Special
|move3=Iron Head|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Play Rough|move4type=Fairy|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=700
|pokemon=Sylveon
|level=70
|gender=male
|type1=Fairy
|ability=Cute Charm
|move1=Light Screen|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Status
|move2=Moonblast|move2type=Fairy|move2cat=Special
|move3=Last Resort|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Psych Up|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

===Quotes===
===={{g|X and Y}}====
'''[[Laverre Gym]]'''
*Before battle
:''"Oh, if it isn't a young Trainer... So you've flown all the way through my Gym, fluttering down to me on a fortunate wind. Then I suppose you have earned yourself the right to a battle, as a reward for your efforts. I am Valerie, who leads this Fairy-type Gym. I hope your visit will prove entertaining to you. The elusive Fairy types may appear frail as a breeze and delicate as a bloom, but they are strong."''

*Being defeated
:''"I hope the sun is shining tomorrow... That would be reason enough to smile."''

*After being defeated
:''"Yes... that was a fine battle. I shall reward you for this great victory. This is the {{badge|Fairy}}. It is yours now. Its beauty is captivating, is it not? ... ... ... ... ... ... Ah... Do forgive me. I was so captivated, I forgot for a moment that it is yours."''
:''"This captivating Fairy Badge will endear any Pokémon up to Lv. 80 to you... Yes, even those Pokémon that you may receive from others will obey you. I also wish to award you this TM... Please consider it a personal gift from me, not simply the winnings of a battle."''
:''"Oh? My, what a curious feeling... I can't seem to recall any longer {{m|Dazzling Gleam|which move}} is contained in [[TM99|that TM]]. I hope you might forgive me."''
:''"My designs are said to be rather mystifying. Do you agree with that? I've always wanted to be a Pokémon, you see. That desire is my inspiration and what I try to achieve by designing. And yet...the only time I feel I am truly one with Pokémon is when we are embroiled in desperate battle. I wonder why that is... Hmm... Could it be-- Never mind. It is nothing, kind Trainer."''
:(post-game) ''"What do you think it is exactly that separates humans from Pokémon? Is there even need for such a thing? Why should they be separate from one another?"''

'''[[Battle Chateau]]'''
*Before battle (initial)
:''"Oh, if it isn't my young Trainer... It is lovely to get to meet you again like this. Then I suppose you have earned yourself the right to a battle, as a reward for your efforts. The elusive {{t|Fairy}} may appear frail as the breeze and delicate as a bloom, but it is strong."''
*Before battle (rematch)
:''"Oh, if it isn't my young Trainer... We seem to keep meeting like this, don't we? Then I suppose you have earned yourself the right to a battle, as a reward for your efforts. The elusive Fairy may appear frail as the breeze and delicate as a bloom, but it is strong."''

*Being defeated
:''"I hope that you will find things worth smiling about tomorrow..."''

*After being defeated
:(if giving the player an item) ''"I hope you will accept this gift from me... Please consider it as a personal gift from me, not simply the winnings of a battle."''
:''"That was truly a captivating battle. I might just be captivated by you."''

*After defeating the player
:''"Oh goodness, what a pity..."''

===Gym Freaks===
:April: ''"Hello! It's time for Gym Freaks, your source for the hottest news about hot Gym Leaders in Kalos. So... I'm now in front of the Laverre City Gym! ... Oooooh. Valerie has arrived! She's glorious! What a beauty! With a fairylike existence! She can wear such high heels because she used to be a model. If I were wearing heels that high, I wouldn't be able to get out of my house. Ah... She went inside the Gym... That's all for the on-site report. Good-bye for now, everyone."''

:April: ''"Hello! It's time for Gym Freaks, your source for the hottest news about hot Gym Leaders in Kalos. So... I'm now in front of the Laverre City Gym! ... Ohhh. Valerie has arrived! She's beautiful! So beautiful! Her existence is fairylike! Her clothes weigh 33 pounds! How can she managed to wear it? She might be surprisingly muscular... Oops. I shouldn't have said that... Ah... She went inside the Gym... That's all for the on-site report. Good-bye for now, everyone."''

===Sprites===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{fairy color dark}}; background: #{{fairy color}}; font-size:80%;"
|-
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{fairy color dark}}; background: #{{fairy color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:VSValerie.png|200px]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{fairy color dark}}; background: #{{fairy color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:XY Valerie Icon.png]]
|-
| VS portrait from {{color2|000|Pokémon X and Y|X and Y}}
| {{color2|000|Player Search System|PSS}} icon from {{color2|000|Pokémon X and Y|X and Y}}
|}

==In the anime==
[[File:Valerie anime.png|thumb|250px|Valerie in the anime]]
Valerie appeared in ''[[XY073|A Fashionable Battle!]]'', where she had a battle against [[Sawyer]] and won.

She had a Gym Battle against {{Ash}} in ''[[XY074|Fairy-Type Trickery!]]'' using her {{p|Sylveon}} and {{p|Spritzee}} and lost.

===Pokémon===
{{missingInfo|2|java|enva}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Valerie
|pkmn=Spritzee
|type1=Fairy
|img=Valerie Spritzee.png
|epnum=XY073
|epname=A Fashionable Battle!
|vajp=Hitomi Nabatame
|vaen=
|desc={{p|Spritzee}} is Valerie's first known Pokémon. It battled against [[Sawyer]]'s {{p|Bagon}}. Bagon's {{m|Dragon Breath}} had no effect on Spritzee. After easily dodging Bagon's {{m|Headbutt}} attacks using its agility, it defeated Bagon with {{m|Dazzling Gleam}}.

It reappeared in ''[[XY074|Fairy-Type Trickery!]]'', where it battled against {{ash}} in his [[Laverre Gym]] Battle. It defeated his {{AP|Fletchinder}} despite being at a type-disadvantage but lost to {{AP|Hawlucha}} despite having a type-advantage.

Spritzee's known moves are {{m|Dazzling Gleam}}, {{m|Trick Room}}, {{m|Gyro Ball}}, and {{m|Moonblast}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Valerie
|pkmn=Sylveon
|type1=Fairy
|img=Valerie Sylveon.png
|epnum=XY073
|epname=A Fashionable Battle!
|vajp=Chinatsu Akasaki
|vaen=Erica Schroeder
|desc={{p|Sylveon}} was briefly seen in its first appearance with the other Pokémon before Valerie went on the catwalk.

It reappeared in ''[[XY074|Fairy-Type Trickery!]]'', where it battled against {{ash}} in his [[Laverre Gym]] Battle. It lost to {{AP|Fletchinder}}'s {{m|Steel Wing}}.

Sylveon's known moves are {{m|Disarming Voice}}, {{m|Fairy Wind}} and {{m|Giga Impact}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Valerie
|pkmn=Mr. Mime
|type1=Psychic
|type2=Fairy
|img=Valerie Mr. Mime.png
|epnum=XY073
|epname=A Fashionable Battle!
|desc={{p|Mr. Mime}} was briefly seen with the other Pokémon before Valerie went on the catwalk.

None of Mr. Mime's moves are known.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Valerie
|pkmn=Mawile
|type1=Steel
|type2=Fairy
|img=Valerie Mawile.png
|epnum=XY073
|epname=A Fashionable Battle!
|desc={{p|Mawile}} was briefly seen with the other Pokémon before Valerie went on the catwalk.

None of Mawile's moves are known.}}

===Voice actors===
{{vatable|color={{fairy color}}|bordercolor={{fairy color light}}
|ja=雪野五月 ''[[Satsuki Yukino]]''
|en=Unknown
|es_eu=}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Valerie Adventures.png|thumb|200px|Valerie in Pokémon Adventures]]
Valerie debuted in the {{chap|X & Y}}. She is first seen at a Laverre City hospital alongside Grant and Olympia. They came to visit their friend and fellow Gym Leader Korrina, who was still recuperating from injuries she sustained from a battle with Team Flare. Afterward, she leaves with Grant and Olympia to have a meeting with the other Kalos Gym Leaders.

====Pokémon====
This listing is of Valerie's Pokémon in the Pokémon Adventures manga.
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Valerie
|pkmn=Mr. Mime
|type1=Psychic
|type2=Fairy
|img=Valerie Mr. Mime Adventures.png
|img_size=70px
|epnum=X & Y chapter (Adventures)
|epname=X & Y chapter
|desc={{p|Mr. Mime}} is Valerie's only known Pokémon. It accompanied Valerie to visit an injured Korrina at a Laverre City hospital.

None of Mr. Mime's moves are known.}}

==Trivia==

* Valerie's Japanese Leader title is {{tt|歷史の国から　來た　乙女|The maiden from a country of history}}.
* According to a {{tc|Tourist}} in Kalos's hotels, Valerie is from the [[Johto]] region.
* Valerie's wings resemble an audino.

==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{fairy color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{fairy color}}"
|-
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| マーシュ ''Mache''
| From ''mâche'' (French for {{wp|Valerianella locusta|corn salad}}) and possibly 魔術 ''majutsu'' (magic). Corn salad is also called {{wp|rapunzel}} in German, related to the fairy tale.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English, German
| Valerie
| From the genus ''{{wp|Valerianella}}'' and ''faerie''
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Valériane
| From the genus ''Valerianella''
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Valérie
| From the genus ''Valerianella''
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Valeria
| From the genus ''Valerianella''
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 마슈 ''Mache''
| Transliteration of her Japanese name

|}

{{-}}
{{Gym Leaders of Kalos}} 
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[[zh:瑪綉]]

List of glitches in spin-off games

2015-07-25T18:38:18Z

Valehd: Undo revision 2308267 by Reshii (talk) this glitch is real.

This is a '''list of glitches''' that occur in [[spin-off Pokémon games]].

==In [[Pokémon Play It!]]==
===Bench glitch===
It is not possible to put Pokémon on the {{DL|Appendix:Glossary (TCG)|Bench}} before the play starts. Instead, players must wait for their first turn to put Pokémon on the Bench. This was fixed in [[Pokémon Play It! Version 2]].

===Magmar Flamethrower glitch===
No Energy card is discarded from {{TCG ID|Base Set|Magmar|36}} when using the Flamethrower attack. This was fixed in [[Pokémon Play It! Version 2]].

==In [[Pokémon Puzzle League]]==
===Endless game glitch===
{{incomplete|section|Further research (Does this happen due to the game getting overloaded on tracking combos due to running out of slots to record results? Why does the game forget to end when the pieces get pushed past the top of the field?)}}
The game can occasionally forget to follow some of its programming. This can prevent the game from ending normally and cause further errors, such as blocks not falling due to gravity.

{{youtubevid|IPtRuOV3h0I|DJPhilanegro|orange}}

===Same character glitch===
The game can be forced to use the same name by tricking it during the character select screen. Due to how the game tracks which character is selected through the player's name, the game will switch to the character picked by that player after the first match has concluded.

{{youtubevid|BRNofZry2hg|Matthew|orange}}

==In the [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] series==
===In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team]]===
====Dungeon shop glitch====
In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team]], by placing an item on the carpet and quicksaving the game, after the game is restarted Kecleon will continue to think that the item has been sold recently and will pay the sell price every time he is spoken to.

{{youtubevid|Hhi0JXFeAZ0|MrAlbrave|MD Red|MD Blue}}

===In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]]===
====False thief glitch====
In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Explorers of Time and Darkness]], if a wild Pokémon is knocked out on a Kecleon shop and drops an item, the item is picked up like usual, but this will be considered as stealing. Even talking to Kecleon before leaving the shop won't do anything, as it wasn't set as a Kecleon shop item.

====Member join glitch====
If the player completes a job with a reward listed as ???, it means that the player will either receive an {{pkmn|Egg}}, the client will join the exploration team, or—in the case of Magnezone and Magnemite when Chansey already has an Egg—receive 1000 [[Poké]]. If one of these jobs is completed before the player can recruit new members, the game will half freeze after the text: "Thank you for rescuing <Pokémon>!" However, the background music will stay an infinite loop.

===In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|Explorers of Sky]]===

====Luminous Spring freeze glitch====
In North American releases of the game, the game will freeze if the player attempts to evolve a Pokémon whose nickname consists of exactly ten characters, unless it was the last Pokémon obtained. The glitch was fixed in the European and Australian versions of the game.

===In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Red and Blue Rescue Teams]] and [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Explorers of Time and Darkness]]===

====Aggressive Kecleon glitch====
In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Red and Blue Rescue Team]], if a team member attacks Kecleon before any items are stolen (via explosion or Blast Seed), the Kecleon will proceed to become hostile and can be defeated. If Kecleon is attacked while the player is within the shop, the music played still continues to be the shopping music. When items within the shop are stepped on, the player will still not immediately pick it up and a price tag is displayed, as if it can still be purchased, regardless of whether or not the Kecleon was defeated. Regardless of whether or not any items are taken, once the player exits the shop, Kecleon will accuse the player of being a thief (even if the initial Kecleon is already defeated), causing the music to change and more Kecleon to spawn.

The glitch is still present in [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|Explorers of Sky]] but the player will not be considered a thief unless they take an item after the shop [[Kecleon]] is defeated.

====Kecleon team member glitch====
A glitch in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team]] and [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]] that allows the player to make Kecleon act as if it were part of the team without recruiting it. It is not present in {{g|Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky}}. It is not actually part of the team, only behaving as part of it, so it will not follow the team onto the next floor.

If Kecleon is attacked by a wild Pokémon, Kecleon will attack the Pokémon who attacked it.

Wild Pokémon will not usually attack Kecleon, but can be forced to by using a Pass Scarf to pass their attacks onto the Kecleon.

{{youtubevid|Wf3jTzfJU4U|MrAlbrave|Normal}}

===In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Gates to Infinity===

====Defiant text glitch====
A text glitch occurs when a Pokémon with the [[Ability]] {{a|Defiant}} has its stats lowered at the same time as a team member placed after it (such as from {{m|Growl}}). The message log will use the team member's name, instead of the name of the Pokémon with Defiant, when displaying "''<Pokémon>'s Defiant Ability was activated!''"

====False thief glitch variant====
If a defeated wild Pokémon drops an item onto a shop tile, exiting the shop will prompt Kecleon to ask whether the player would like to sell the item as if they set it down themselves. The player can pick up the item as if it was a regular dropped item (the Kecleon Shop item menu doesn't pop up), but leaving the shop with said item will be considered stealing and result in Kecleon attacking the team.

====Mienfoo dialogue glitch====
When playing as the partner Pokémon, after the player Pokémon has returned to the human world and has yet to return to the {{OBP|Pokémon world|Mystery Dungeon}}, the {{p|Mienfoo}} acquainted with the team will salute the partner Pokémon with a "''Morning, <player's name>!''" instead of "''Morning, <partner's name>!''", when spoken to in [[Post Town]].

====Serperior walk animation bug====
If the player chose {{p|Snivy}} as their partner and evolved them into a {{p|Serperior}}, the partner's walking animation will fail to loop correctly when walking slowly in an area outside a dungeon, such as the Paradise Center.

==In the Pokémon Ranger series==
===In Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia===
====Invisible wall glitch====
{{incomplete|section|Needs a video or animation}}
In [[Vien Forest]], the player can find spots where they will not be able to continue walking, even though there is nothing in their path due to the boundary of the trees.

==In the Pokémon Rumble series==
===In [[Pokémon Rumble Blast]]===
===={{p|Ditto}} move glitch====
{{Incomplete|section|Needs a video or animation}}
If a {{p|Ditto}} copies a Ditto which copied a Ditto who copied one of the player's [[Toy Pokémon]] and the Ditto is toppled and recruited, the Ditto will have one of the moves of the Pokémon that was copied originally.

====Noclip Pokémon spawn glitch====
In 4-1, if a Pokémon uses one of the long ranged skills into the main hull of the [[Temple of Keys]], it will tell that the player that they have just defeated a [[Toy Pokémon]] from the area.
This can be easily explained by spawning zones. Some other building models also have this spawn effect.

===In [[Pokémon Rumble World]]===
====Royal Competition glitch====
In any Royal Competition, it is possible to knock out a wild [[Toy Pokémon]] just when the timer hits 0. While the wild Toy Pokémon's HP will be displayed as 0, it will remain standing.

If that Toy Pokémon is the last one remaining, the "CLEAR" message will be shown on-screen, but the game will show a "Times up!" message after and the stage will not be cleared.

====Out of Bounds====
It is possible to go out of bounds. If you call your mii character to the grassy area on the left, you must go inside the mii and have him/her carry you over the grass and hit up and then you are out of bounds. If you go too far to the East, you can enter the void. If you go too far into the West, you will enter the castle. If you go too far to the North, the camera goes back to the plaza and you enter the castle. going South just takes you to the plaza. To end the glitch, you can go South or enter the castle.
Alternate Method: If you get your mii character to go into the small patch of grass, go through your mii and have him/her carry you. Once you're in the castle from the carrying, hit left or up and you're out of bounds.

==In [[Pokémon Shuffle]]==
===Use any Pokémon glitch===
This glitch can be performed as soon as the player gets the ability to select Support Pokémon by touching the Poké Ball icon. It allows the player to use any unregistered Support Pokémon from the Support Pokémon selection screen at level 1, and the Pokémon can be brought into a game. It will not be registered as caught.

Steps:
#Enter the Support Pokémon selection screen.
#Tap the search icon.
#Change "Caught Pokémon" to "All Pokémon".
#Tap "SEARCH".
#Drag and drop a Pokémon that was already selected as a Support Pokémon with any of the 158 different Pokémon to get it as a Support Pokémon.

If the player wants to remove the icon of a non-caught Support Pokémon, they can drag an existing Support Pokémon on to it to get the existing Support Pokémon in that slot. The player cannot move the icon of a non-caught Support Pokémon directly.

This glitch was patched in version 1.0.2.
{{youtubevid|RpzleivBLqc|Scarlet_Kohaku|glitch}}

==In the Super Smash Bros. series==

{{main|sbw:Category:Glitches|Glitches category on SmashWiki}}

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{{Glitches}} 
{{Project GlitchDex notice}}

[[Category:Glitches by game]]
[[Category:Lists]]

[[de:Bugs außerhalb der Hauptserie]]

Talk:List of glitches in spin-off games

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I have added in another way for Kecleon to "join your team" glitch, but it is put really badly so please fell free to restructure my sentence, thanks Josh (a.k.a [[User:Pokepro97|Pokepro97]]) - 14:54, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

==Deletion==

Why do you guys always delete my account of the De-Stick Glitch? [[User:Wildgoose|Wildgoose]] December 10 2011 6:13 (ET)
:It's not a glitch. It's intentional. It's specifically mentioned in the official guidebook. (P.S. Use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to leave your signature after you comment.) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:11, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

==More glitches==
There have gotta be more glitches other than Mystery Dungeon. Doesn't Pokemon Stadium JP, for example have glitches?{{unsigned|JacobTheDoduo}}
:I'm sure they do, but no one has added them yet. Feel free to add some if you do find them. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 12:25, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
::Also, Pokémon Stadium JP is a side game not a spin-off, so glitches in it would go on [[List of glitches in Generation I]] (under an "In the side games" section that doesn't exist due to a lack of known glitches). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:51, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

== pokemon ranger ==

surely Pokémon ranger has glitches?[[User:Pachirisupancakes|Pachirisupancakes]] ([[User talk:Pachirisupancakes|talk]]) 19:02, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:If a glitch is found, it shall be added to the page. :) ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 19:31, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

== Magnagate and the Infinite Labyrinth ==

Are we sure that's a result of a glitch and not just leaked experience catching up? There's no way to check without a video. [[User:Bliumage|Bliumage]] ([[User talk:Bliumage|talk]]) 07:18, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

== I think I found a new glitch... ==

In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky]] I think I found a new glitch. I tried to evolve a [[Nincada]] at the Luminous Spring and my game CRASHED! My save data was safe, though --PalkiaMaster- 0100100100100000010000010100110100100000010001110100111101000100 23:30, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
:It's not a rare occasion, it happened to me the second time I tried... Either that, or it's a problem with my US copy of the game (I'm saying that because it might US game only, or an issue with my game itself) --PalkiaMaster- 0100100100100000010000010100110100100000010001110100111101000100 03:04, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
::This is a known glitch in Sky that occurs when a Pokémon's name is exactly ten characters long. I'm assuming your Nincada has a nickname of that length. Since it's been well-documented on other parts of the internet, I'll add it to the article shortly. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] ([[User talk:Umbee|talk]]) 17:54, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I nicknamed it "Nintendead" (10 characters) --PalkiaMaster- 0100100100100000010000010100110100100000010001110100111101000100 02:30, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon palette morphing ==
I can't find a whole lot of information on this glitch, but I've had it happen to me in Explorers of Time/Darkness, and other people online say it can happen in Red/Blue Rescue Team. No idea about Explorers of Sky. As far as I know, the cause hasn't been identified. Sometimes, when a wild Pokémon is encountered, it will rapidly shift between its own sprite, and the sprite of another Pokémon that can be found on the same floor. In addition, it will always have the color palette of the Pokémon whose shape it currently isn't taking. So when it happened to me, I encountered a Pokémon that shifted between a Remoraid with Cradily's palette and a Cradily with Remoraid's palette. However, the glitched Pokémon is identified by the game as a single species, and will have the moves and stats of the Pokémon it is supposed to be. Recruiting the Pokémon will end the glitch, which in my case gave me a Cradily with the correct sprite and colors. As far as I can tell from my research, it's only an aesthetic glitch and has no effects on gameplay. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] ([[User talk:Umbee|talk]]) 17:54, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

== Sticks? ==

Should there be a glitch to do with sticks? Lemme explain

I'm playing PMD Blue Rescue Team. I have say, 36 sticks in the inventory. If I find a stack of 6, it fills up that stack of sticks to 42, because max is around 99 or something.

Well when you buy it from the Kecleon store and you have no full stocks, it'll create another pile in the inventory, so there's 36 and 6 both at the same time.

If you place it on the ground after buying it it just acts like regular sticks do and replenishes your stock (so the example would have 42 sticks in one pile after this fix)

Noteworthy to put down? I've only seen this in Blue so far but I wouldn't be surprised if it's either fixed or not in T/D/S as well. [[User:Pinkolol16|Pinkolol16]] ([[User talk:Pinkolol16|talk]]) 04:52, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

== when you add a video in the pokemon rumble series... ==

...make sure it's the out of bounds glitch for rumble world. please. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 00:30, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Phione (Pokémon)

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{{PokémonPrevNext |type=water | prevnum=488 | nextnum=490 | prev=Cresselia |next=Manaphy}}
{{Pokémon Infobox |
name=Phione |
jname=フィオネ |
jtranslit=Fione |
tmname=Phione |
ndex=489 |
obrow=297 |
typebox=1 |
type1=Water |
species=Sea Drifter |
height-ftin=1'04" |
height-m=0.4 |
weight-lbs=6.8 |
weight-kg=3.1 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Hydration |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Water 1 |
egggroup2=Fairy |
eggcycles=41 |
evtotal=1 |
evhp=1 |
expyield=216 |
oldexp=165 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=255 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=30 |
body= 04|
pokefordex=phione |
generation=4 |
friendship=70 |
}}
'''Phione''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese:]] '''フィオネ''' ''Phione'') is a {{type|Water}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.

While it is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon, it can only be obtained by breeding {{p|Manaphy}} or another Phione with {{p|Ditto}}.

It is a member of the {{DL|Legendary Pokémon|sea guardians}} with Manaphy.

Phione's [[#Legendary status|status]] as a [[Legendary Pokémon|Legendary or Mythical Pokémon]] is often disputed, with contradiction occurring even between official sources.

==Biology==
Phione is a blue Pokémon with a round head and a tiny body. Phione's head is crowned by a flotation sac with a long, ribbon-like antenna. Its mouth is small, and its eyes are large with blue sclera and gray irises. Above its eyes are two blue, circular markings connected to the eyes by a thin black line. Its long, flipper-like arms have rounded tips. Phione has a red, oval gem on its chest and a single rudimentary foot spike.

Phione inflates the sac on its head to drift in the water and search for food. When the water grows warm, it will drift in packs with other members of its species. No matter how far it has drifted, it will always return to the place where it was born.

==In the anime==
[[File:Phione Supersonic.png|thumb|250px|left|Phione in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Multiple Phione made their debut appearance in the anime in ''[[DP113|Hold the Phione!]]'' where one was attracted to [[Dawn's Buneary]].
{{-}}

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP113|Phione|Dawn's Pokédex|Phione, the Sea Drifter Pokémon. Phione lives in warm oceans. It inflates the flotation sac on its head allowing it to float on the waves and look for {{pkmn|food}}.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Phione Adventures.png|thumb|right|200px|Phione in Pokémon Adventures]]
Phione made its debut in ''[[PS441|Alternate Dimension Showdown XI]]'', where it was revealed to have hatched from an Egg created by {{p|Manaphy}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Phione (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=water}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|entry=A Pokémon that lives in warm seas. It inflates the flotation sac on its head to drift and search for food.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Platinum|entry=It drifts in warm seas. It always returns to where it was born, no matter how far it may have drifted.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|entry=When the water warms, they inflate the flotation sac on their heads and drift languidly on the sea in packs.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=It drifts in warm seas. It always returns to where it was born, no matter how far it may have drifted.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=It drifts in warm seas. It always returns to where it was born, no matter how far it may have drifted.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=When the water warms, they inflate the flotation sac on their heads and drift languidly on the sea in packs.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=It drifts in warm seas. It always returns to where it was born, no matter how far it may have drifted.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Omega Ruby|t=fff|entry=When the water warms, they inflate the flotation sac on their heads and drift languidly on the sea in packs.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|entry=It drifts in warm seas. It always returns to where it was born, no matter how far it may have drifted.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=water}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|area=[[My Pokémon Ranch]] {{pkmn|breeding|Breed}} {{p|Manaphy}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Platinum|area=[[My Pokémon Ranch]] (requires Platinum update, Japan only) {{pkmn|breeding|Breed}} {{p|Manaphy}}}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|area={{pkmn|breeding|Breed}} {{p|Manaphy}}}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Black|v2=White|area=[[Poké Transfer]]}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|area=[[Poké Transfer]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=X|v2=Y|area=[[Poké Transporter]]}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|area=[[Poké Transporter]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

====In side games====
{{Availability/Header|type=Water}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Time|v2=MD Darkness|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|area=[[Miracle Sea]] (Bottom){{tt|*|Automatically recruited on second visit}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=MD Sky|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|area=[[Miracle Sea]] (Bottom){{tt|*|Automatically recruited on second visit}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranch|link=My Pokémon Ranch|color={{diamond color}}|area=Store 250 Pokémon ([[Hayley's trades]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Rumble|color={{fire color}}|area=Ticket for releasing {{p|Lapras}} and {{p|Vaporeon}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger: GS|link=Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|color={{GS color}}|area=[[Canal Ruins]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Blast|color={{fire color}}|area=Beach: [[Rugged Flats]]{{tt|*|Get 20 customers}}}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=water |
HP= 80 |
Attack= 80 |
Defense=80 |
SpAtk= 80 |
SpDef= 80 |
Speed= 80 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon|
|type=Water
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=1
|PowerMax=2
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=1
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=water|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 200 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Phione|Water|Water|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Bubble|Water|Special|40|100|30||'''|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Water Sport|Water|Status|—|—|15}|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|9|Charm|Fairy|Status|—|100|20|||Cute|2|1}}
{{learnlist/level6|16|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|24|Bubble Beam|Water|Special|65|100|20||'''|Beautiful|2|3}}
{{learnlist/level6|31|Acid Armor|Poison|Status|—|—|20|||Tough|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|39|Whirlpool|Water|Special|35|85|15||'''|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|46|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20||'''|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|54|Aqua Ring|Water|Status|—|—|20|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|61|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10||'''|Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|69|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Phione|Water|Water|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Phione|Water|Water|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|||Beautiful|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10|||Beautiful|1|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5|||Beautiful|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM55|Scald|Water|Special|80|100|15||'''|Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM89|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20|||Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM99|Dazzling Gleam|Fairy|Special|80|100|10|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15||'''|Beautiful|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM05|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15||'''|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM07|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10|{{sup/6|ORAS}}|'''|Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Phione|Water|Water|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Phione|Water|Water|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/breed6null}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Phione|Water|Water|4}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Phione|Water|Water|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Bounce|Flying|Physical|85|85|5|||no|yes|Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Covet|Normal|Physical|60|100|25|||no|yes|Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Heal Bell|Normal|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes|Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|65|100|25|||no|yes|Clever|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Last Resort|Normal|Physical|140|100|5|||no|yes|Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes|Cute|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20||'''|no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Phione|Water|Water|4}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=water |
ndex=489 |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=100 |
iq=B |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Water |
assist3=Water |
field3=Cut |
field3power=2 |
browser3=It attacks by spitting bubbles that make Pokémon Slowed. |
rumble=yes|
rumbleattack=3|
rumbledefense=3|
rumblespeed=3|
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=3|
rumble2defense=3|
rumble2speed=3|
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox
|family=Breedonly
|sprite1=489Phione
|name1=Phione
|type1-1=Water
|evotype1=None
|sprite2=490Manaphy
|name2=Manaphy
|type1-2=Water
}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=Water}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Spritebox/4|ndex=489}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=489}}
{{Spritebox/6|ndex=489}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|489|Phione}}

==Trivia==
* Phione is the only Pokémon that is obtainable by breeding a [[Mythical Pokémon]].
* Breeding either {{p|Manaphy}} or Phione can produce a Phione Egg, but Phione is unable to evolve into Manaphy nor produce Eggs that can hatch into Manaphy.
** Consequently, Phione and Manaphy are the only {{tt|Mythical Pokémon|although Phione's Mythical status is disputed}} that can be bred.
* Phione, {{p|Nidoran♂}}, {{p|Nidoran♀}}, {{p|Illumise}} and {{p|Volbeat}} are the only Pokémon that can be obtained by breeding a Pokémon they cannot evolve into.
* Phione shares the exact same base stats with {{p|Glalie}}.
* Phione is not found in any regional Pokédex.
* If it were counted as a [[Mythical Pokémon]], Phione would have the lowest [[base stats|base stat total]] out of all Legendary or Mythical Pokémon.

===Legendary status===
Phione's status as a [[Mythical Pokémon]] is disputed, with several pieces of evidence and even official statements often contradicting each other.

====Evidence for====
* In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Explorers of Time, Darkness]] and [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|Sky]], Phione has a 100% recruit rate, is never battled, and the player is not allowed to recruit more than one to their team, all of which are traits otherwise only exhibited by Legendary and Mythical Pokémon.
* Phione is banned from the {{Gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}}, the [[Battle Subway]], the [[Pokémon World Tournament]], and the [[Battle Maison]], a rule which typically applies only to Mythical Pokémon and major Legendary Pokémon. The only confirmed non-Legendary Pokémon to have been event-only at one point, {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}}, were allowed in the Battle Subway, indicating Phione's battle facility ban may be due to its status.
* Phione [[List of Pokémon that do not appear in any regional Pokédex|is not found in any regional Pokédex]], a trait that is otherwise exclusive to [[Generation IV]] Legendary and Mythical Pokémon.
* In [[Pokémon Rumble Blast]], Phione can only be unlocked once a certain number of customers have shopped at the Toy Shop, a trait otherwise exclusive to Legendary and Mythical Pokémon.
* Phione was featured in Pokémon.com's 2012 [http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/ Pokémon Power Bracket], a single-elimination tournament where all other Pokémon in the bracket were Legendary and Mythical Pokémon.
* Phione is a usable Pokémon in the recently announced [[Rotation Battle]] tournament ''Circle of Legends'' where only Legendary and Mythical Pokémon are allowed.
* Phione is genderless, like every other legendary pokemon.

====Evidence against====
* Phione can breed to produce another Phione; this is impossible with any other Legendary and Mythical Pokémon. However, Manaphy can also breed to produce Phione, and Manaphy is a confirmed Mythical Pokémon.
* [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver: Prima's Official Strategy Guide]] states that Phione is not Legendary.
* In [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]], all Legendary Pokémon are referred to as Legendary, and all Mythical Pokémon are referred to as "rare," but Phione is neither. It is also found normally in the wild.
* In [https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/GYRH6RJ a 2015 survey] from [[The Pokémon Company International]], the question "Which of these are your favorite Mythical Pokémon? (Choose your top 3.)" includes all Mythical Pokémon as options, but not Phione or {{p|Deoxys}}.

====Other====
* [[Pokémon.com]]'s mailbag was once asked if Phione was Legendary. The official answer was initially no, but was quickly changed to yes; the whole mailbag section has since been taken down with the restructure of Pokémon.com.
* Originally, Phione was not needed in order to complete the [[National Pokédex]], as with other Mythical Pokémon. However, beginning with [[Pokémon X and Y]], it is needed to qualify for the [[diploma]].

===Origin===
{{bulbanews|On the Origin of Species: Manaphy and Phione}}
Phione is probably based on {{wp|sea angel}}s, specifically {{wp|clione}}. Clione are remarkably popular in Japanese documentaries, especially in {{wp|Hokkaido}}, on which Sinnoh is based (this may also explain their appearance in [[Chocovine Town]]).

====Name origin====
Phione may be a combination of the final syllable of ''{{p|Manaphy}}'' and ''{{wp|clione}}'' (sea angels). Like clione, Phione is pronounced in three syllables.

==References==
<references/>

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=water|type2=water
|ja=フィオネ ''Phione''|jameaning=From a combination of final syllable of ''{{p|Manaphy}}'' and ''clione'' (sea angels)
|de=Phione|demeaning=Same as Japanese name
|fr=Phione|frmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|es=Phione|esmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|it=Phione|itmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|ko=피오네 ''Pione''|komeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=霏歐納 ''Fēi Ōu Nà''|zh_cmnmeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
}}
 

==External links==

{{Legendary Pokémon}} 
{{PokémonPrevNext |type=water | prevnum=488 | nextnum=490 | prev=Cresselia |next=Manaphy}}
{{-}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Promotion-only Pokémon]]
[[Category:Pokémon in no regional Pokédex]]

[[it:Phione]]
[[pt:Phione (pokémon)]]

[[de:Phione]]
[[es:Phione]]
[[fr:Phione]]
[[ja:フィオネ]]
[[pl:Phione]]
[[zh:霏欧纳]]

Phione (Pokémon)

2015-07-15T04:56:40Z

Valehd: /* Evidence against */

{{PokémonPrevNext |type=water | prevnum=488 | nextnum=490 | prev=Cresselia |next=Manaphy}}
{{Pokémon Infobox |
name=Phione |
jname=フィオネ |
jtranslit=Fione |
tmname=Phione |
ndex=489 |
obrow=297 |
typebox=1 |
type1=Water |
species=Sea Drifter |
height-ftin=1'04" |
height-m=0.4 |
weight-lbs=6.8 |
weight-kg=3.1 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Hydration |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Water 1 |
egggroup2=Fairy |
eggcycles=41 |
evtotal=1 |
evhp=1 |
expyield=216 |
oldexp=165 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=255 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=30 |
body= 04|
pokefordex=phione |
generation=4 |
friendship=70 |
}}
'''Phione''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese:]] '''フィオネ''' ''Phione'') is a {{type|Water}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.

While it is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon, it can only be obtained by breeding {{p|Manaphy}} or another Phione with {{p|Ditto}}.

It is a member of the {{DL|Legendary Pokémon|sea guardians}} with Manaphy.

Phione's [[#Legendary status|status]] as a [[Legendary Pokémon|Legendary or Mythical Pokémon]] is often disputed, with contradiction occurring even between official sources.

==Biology==
Phione is a blue Pokémon with a round head and a tiny body. Phione's head is crowned by a flotation sac with a long, ribbon-like antenna. Its mouth is small, and its eyes are large with blue sclera and gray irises. Above its eyes are two blue, circular markings connected to the eyes by a thin black line. Its long, flipper-like arms have rounded tips. Phione has a red, oval gem on its chest and a single rudimentary foot spike.

Phione inflates the sac on its head to drift in the water and search for food. When the water grows warm, it will drift in packs with other members of its species. No matter how far it has drifted, it will always return to the place where it was born.

==In the anime==
[[File:Phione Supersonic.png|thumb|250px|left|Phione in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
Multiple Phione made their debut appearance in the anime in ''[[DP113|Hold the Phione!]]'' where one was attracted to [[Dawn's Buneary]].
{{-}}

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP113|Phione|Dawn's Pokédex|Phione, the Sea Drifter Pokémon. Phione lives in warm oceans. It inflates the flotation sac on its head allowing it to float on the waves and look for {{pkmn|food}}.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Phione Adventures.png|thumb|right|200px|Phione in Pokémon Adventures]]
Phione made its debut in ''[[PS441|Alternate Dimension Showdown XI]]'', where it was revealed to have hatched from an Egg created by {{p|Manaphy}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Phione (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=water}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|entry=A Pokémon that lives in warm seas. It inflates the flotation sac on its head to drift and search for food.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Platinum|entry=It drifts in warm seas. It always returns to where it was born, no matter how far it may have drifted.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|entry=When the water warms, they inflate the flotation sac on their heads and drift languidly on the sea in packs.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=It drifts in warm seas. It always returns to where it was born, no matter how far it may have drifted.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=It drifts in warm seas. It always returns to where it was born, no matter how far it may have drifted.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=When the water warms, they inflate the flotation sac on their heads and drift languidly on the sea in packs.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=It drifts in warm seas. It always returns to where it was born, no matter how far it may have drifted.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Omega Ruby|t=fff|entry=When the water warms, they inflate the flotation sac on their heads and drift languidly on the sea in packs.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|entry=It drifts in warm seas. It always returns to where it was born, no matter how far it may have drifted.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=water}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|area=[[My Pokémon Ranch]] {{pkmn|breeding|Breed}} {{p|Manaphy}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Platinum|area=[[My Pokémon Ranch]] (requires Platinum update, Japan only) {{pkmn|breeding|Breed}} {{p|Manaphy}}}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|area={{pkmn|breeding|Breed}} {{p|Manaphy}}}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Black|v2=White|area=[[Poké Transfer]]}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|area=[[Poké Transfer]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=X|v2=Y|area=[[Poké Transporter]]}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|area=[[Poké Transporter]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

====In side games====
{{Availability/Header|type=Water}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Time|v2=MD Darkness|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|area=[[Miracle Sea]] (Bottom){{tt|*|Automatically recruited on second visit}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=MD Sky|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|area=[[Miracle Sea]] (Bottom){{tt|*|Automatically recruited on second visit}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranch|link=My Pokémon Ranch|color={{diamond color}}|area=Store 250 Pokémon ([[Hayley's trades]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Rumble|color={{fire color}}|area=Ticket for releasing {{p|Lapras}} and {{p|Vaporeon}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger: GS|link=Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|color={{GS color}}|area=[[Canal Ruins]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Blast|color={{fire color}}|area=Beach: [[Rugged Flats]]{{tt|*|Get 20 customers}}}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=water |
HP= 80 |
Attack= 80 |
Defense=80 |
SpAtk= 80 |
SpDef= 80 |
Speed= 80 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon|
|type=Water
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=1
|PowerMax=2
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=1
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness|
type1=water|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 200 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
Fairy= 100}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/6|Phione|Water|Water|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Bubble|Water|Special|40|100|30||'''|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|Start|Water Sport|Water|Status|—|—|15}|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|9|Charm|Fairy|Status|—|100|20|||Cute|2|1}}
{{learnlist/level6|16|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|24|Bubble Beam|Water|Special|65|100|20||'''|Beautiful|2|3}}
{{learnlist/level6|31|Acid Armor|Poison|Status|—|—|20|||Tough|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|39|Whirlpool|Water|Special|35|85|15||'''|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|46|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20||'''|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|54|Aqua Ring|Water|Status|—|—|20|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|61|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10||'''|Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level6|69|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/levelf/6|Phione|Water|Water|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Phione|Water|Water|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|||Beautiful|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10|||Beautiful|1|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5|||Beautiful|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM55|Scald|Water|Special|80|100|15||'''|Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM89|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20|||Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM99|Dazzling Gleam|Fairy|Special|80|100|10|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15||'''|Beautiful|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM05|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15||'''|Tough|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|HM07|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10|{{sup/6|ORAS}}|'''|Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Phione|Water|Water|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Phione|Water|Water|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/breed6null}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Phione|Water|Water|4}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Phione|Water|Water|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Bounce|Flying|Physical|85|85|5|||no|yes|Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Covet|Normal|Physical|60|100|25|||no|yes|Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Heal Bell|Normal|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes|Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|65|100|25|||no|yes|Clever|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Last Resort|Normal|Physical|140|100|5|||no|yes|Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes|Cute|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20||'''|no|yes|Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Phione|Water|Water|4}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=water |
ndex=489 |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=100 |
iq=B |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Water |
assist3=Water |
field3=Cut |
field3power=2 |
browser3=It attacks by spitting bubbles that make Pokémon Slowed. |
rumble=yes|
rumbleattack=3|
rumbledefense=3|
rumblespeed=3|
rumble2=yes|
rumble2attack=3|
rumble2defense=3|
rumble2speed=3|
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox
|family=Breedonly
|sprite1=489Phione
|name1=Phione
|type1-1=Water
|evotype1=None
|sprite2=490Manaphy
|name2=Manaphy
|type1-2=Water
}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=Water}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Spritebox/4|ndex=489}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=489}}
{{Spritebox/6|ndex=489}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|489|Phione}}

==Trivia==
* Phione is the only Pokémon that is obtainable by breeding a [[Mythical Pokémon]].
* Breeding either {{p|Manaphy}} or Phione can produce a Phione Egg, but Phione is unable to evolve into Manaphy nor produce Eggs that can hatch into Manaphy.
** Consequently, Phione and Manaphy are the only {{tt|Mythical Pokémon|although Phione's Mythical status is disputed}} that can be bred.
* Phione, {{p|Nidoran♂}}, {{p|Nidoran♀}}, {{p|Illumise}} and {{p|Volbeat}} are the only Pokémon that can be obtained by breeding a Pokémon they cannot evolve into.
* Phione shares the exact same base stats with {{p|Glalie}}.
* Phione is not found in any regional Pokédex.
* If it were counted as a [[Mythical Pokémon]], Phione would have the lowest [[base stats|base stat total]] out of all Legendary or Mythical Pokémon.

===Legendary status===
Phione's status as a [[Mythical Pokémon]] is disputed, with several pieces of evidence and even official statements often contradicting each other.

====Evidence for====
* In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Explorers of Time, Darkness]] and [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|Sky]], Phione has a 100% recruit rate, is never battled, and the player is not allowed to recruit more than one to their team, all of which are traits otherwise only exhibited by Legendary and Mythical Pokémon.
* Phione is banned from the {{Gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}}, the [[Battle Subway]], the [[Pokémon World Tournament]], and the [[Battle Maison]], a rule which typically applies only to Mythical Pokémon and major Legendary Pokémon. The only confirmed non-Legendary Pokémon to have been event-only at one point, {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}}, were allowed in the Battle Subway, indicating Phione's battle facility ban may be due to its status.
* Phione [[List of Pokémon that do not appear in any regional Pokédex|is not found in any regional Pokédex]], a trait that is otherwise exclusive to [[Generation IV]] Legendary and Mythical Pokémon.
* In [[Pokémon Rumble Blast]], Phione can only be unlocked once a certain number of customers have shopped at the Toy Shop, a trait otherwise exclusive to Legendary and Mythical Pokémon.
* Phione was featured in Pokémon.com's 2012 [http://www.pokemon.com/powerbracket/us/ Pokémon Power Bracket], a single-elimination tournament where all other Pokémon in the bracket were Legendary and Mythical Pokémon.
* Phione is a usable Pokémon in the recently announced [[Rotation Battle]] tournament ''Circle of Legends'' where only Legendary and Mythical Pokémon are allowed.

====Evidence against====
* Phione can breed to produce another Phione; this is impossible with any other Legendary and Mythical Pokémon. However, Manaphy can also breed to produce Phione, and Manaphy is a confirmed Mythical Pokémon.
* [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver: Prima's Official Strategy Guide]] states that Phione is not Legendary.
* In [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]], all Legendary Pokémon are referred to as Legendary, and all Mythical Pokémon are referred to as "rare," but Phione is neither. It is also found normally in the wild.
* In the survey launched by The Pokémon Company International in 2015, Phione is not mentioned as a Mythical Pokémon.
* Phione can evolve.

====Other====
* [[Pokémon.com]]'s mailbag was once asked if Phione was Legendary. The official answer was initially no, but was quickly changed to yes; the whole mailbag section has since been taken down with the restructure of Pokémon.com.
* Originally, Phione was not needed in order to complete the [[National Pokédex]], as with other Mythical Pokémon. However, beginning with [[Pokémon X and Y]], it is needed to qualify for the [[diploma]].

===Origin===
{{bulbanews|On the Origin of Species: Manaphy and Phione}}
Phione is probably based on {{wp|sea angel}}s, specifically {{wp|clione}}. Clione are remarkably popular in Japanese documentaries, especially in {{wp|Hokkaido}}, on which Sinnoh is based (this may also explain their appearance in [[Chocovine Town]]).

====Name origin====
Phione may be a combination of the final syllable of ''{{p|Manaphy}}'' and ''{{wp|clione}}'' (sea angels). Like clione, Phione is pronounced in three syllables.

==References==
<references/>

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=water|type2=water
|ja=フィオネ ''Phione''|jameaning=From a combination of final syllable of ''{{p|Manaphy}}'' and ''clione'' (sea angels)
|de=Phione|demeaning=Same as Japanese name
|fr=Phione|frmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|es=Phione|esmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|it=Phione|itmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|ko=피오네 ''Pione''|komeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=霏歐納 ''Fēi Ōu Nà''|zh_cmnmeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
}}
 

==External links==

{{Legendary Pokémon}} 
{{PokémonPrevNext |type=water | prevnum=488 | nextnum=490 | prev=Cresselia |next=Manaphy}}
{{-}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Promotion-only Pokémon]]
[[Category:Pokémon in no regional Pokédex]]

[[it:Phione]]
[[pt:Phione (pokémon)]]

[[de:Phione]]
[[es:Phione]]
[[fr:Phione]]
[[ja:フィオネ]]
[[pl:Phione]]
[[zh:霏欧纳]]

Lake guardians

2015-07-13T18:46:18Z

Valehd: i fixed an error in my edit

[[File:Lake guardians DP.png|thumb|220px|Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf]]
The '''lake guardians''', or '''lake trio''', is a term used to describe the [[Legendary trio]] residing in the three lakes of [[Sinnoh]]: {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}}. They are meant to represent knowledge, emotion, and willpower, respectively. They are based on the {{wp|Imperial Regalia of Japan}}: the {{wp|Yata no Kagami}} (wisdom), {{wp|Yasakani no Magatama}} (benevolence), and {{wp|Kusanagi}} (valor). Parts of their names come from fantasy creatures: {{wp|pixie}}s, {{wp|sprite}}s and {{wp|elf|elves}}, respectively. The other parts of their names come from pronouns: you ('''U'''xie), me ('''Me'''sprit), and us ('''Az'''elf).

Unlike previous trios, all three of the lake trio are of a single type, the {{type|Psychic}}, though like the others, they share an [[Ability]]: {{a|Levitate}}. According to [[Sinnoh myths|legend]], when {{p|Arceus}} created the universe it created Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf, and therefore is believed to be their [[Trio master|master]]. According to one of Azelf's Pokédex entries, all three of them were born from the same Egg.

==Similar movesets==
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| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | [[File:480Uxie.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Uxie|703e4e}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | [[File:481Mesprit.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Mesprit|703e4e}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | [[File:482Azelf.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Azelf|703e4e}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}
|-
| rowspan="5" style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|Start}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Memento|{{dark color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Healing Wish|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
|
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Natural Gift|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Flail|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Copycat|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Last Resort|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Rest|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Confusion|{{psychic color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|6}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Imprison|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|16}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Endure|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Protect|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Detect|{{fighting color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|21}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Swift|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|31}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Yawn|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Lucky Chant|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Uproar|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|36}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | {{mcolor|Future Sight|{{psychic color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|46}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Amnesia|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Charm|{{fairy color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Nasty Plot|{{dark color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|51}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Extrasensory|{{psychic color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|61}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Flail|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Copycat|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Last Resort|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|66}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Natural Gift|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|76}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Memento|{{dark color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Healing Wish|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Explosion|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}; color: #{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}};"| Moves in '''bold''' are {{color2|F99CB8|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

==Base stat comparison==
{{triostats|cynthia|480|Uxie|psychic|75|75|130|75|130|95|481|Mesprit|psychic|80|105|105|105|105|80|482|Azelf|psychic|75|125|70|125|70|115}}

==In the games==
===Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum===
The lake guardians each live in the cavern at the center of one of Sinnoh's three commonly known lakes: Uxie resides in [[Acuity Cavern]] of [[Lake Acuity]], Mesprit resides in [[Verity Cavern]] of [[Lake Verity]], and Azelf resides [[Valor Cavern]] of [[Lake Valor]]. A [[Sendoff Spring|secret fourth lake]] exists, but instead houses [[Turnback Cave]], which contains a portal to the [[Distortion World]] and is thus often visited by {{p|Giratina}}.

In {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}, Team Galactic attempts to capture all three of the lake guardians. [[Saturn]] goes to Lake Valor, where Team Galactic drains the lake by blowing it up with a [[Galactic Bomb]]. This is the lake the player must go to first. Despite losing to the player, Team Galactic still successfully captures Azelf. Over at Lake Verity, [[Mars]] is leading the operation and easily holding off [[Professor Rowan]] and {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}}. While the player again manages to defeat Mars, Team Galactic still successfully capture Mesprit. Finally, at Lake Acuity, by the time the player arrives, [[Jupiter]] has just defeated {{ga|Barry}} and successfully captured Uxie.

When the player later storms [[Team Galactic HQ]], it is discovered that [[Cyrus]] used the lake guardians to create the [[Red Chain]] so that he could control {{p|Dialga}} and/or {{p|Palkia}}. In Platinum, Cyrus then duplicates this Red Chain with his technology to create a second one, as he intends to control both Dialga and Palkia.

In Diamond and Pearl, the lake guardians come to the [[Spear Pillar]] when [[Cyrus]] summons Dialga{{sup/4|D}} or Palkia{{sup/4|P}} and destroy the Red Chain he is using to control it, as their combined power is equal to that of one of the members of the [[creation trio]]. This prevents Cyrus from creating his new world without spirit. After doing so, they return to their lakes.

In Platinum, the lake guardians come to the Spear Pillar to attempt to balance out the power of Dialga and Palkia; however, the three lake guardians combined can only balance out one of the two, so they are overpowered. As a result, {{p|Giratina}} is angered by the dis-balance and is forced to merge the [[Distortion World]] with the real world at the Spear Pillar to prevent them from being destroyed. Cyrus, followed by the lake guardians, enter the Distortion World. Inside the Distortion World, the lake guardians assist the player with the {{m|Strength}} puzzle, then return to their lakes.

The three lake guardians are obtainable after the defeat of [[Team Galactic]] at [[Mt. Coronet]]. They each return to their lakes, and Uxie and Azelf can be caught in the caverns of their lakes; however, when encountering Mesprit in its cave, it flies off and [[Roaming Pokémon|roams]] the region.

<gallery>
File:Lake Acuity cavern Uxie DPPt.png|Uxie
File:Lake Verity cavern Mesprit DP.png|Mesprit
File:Lake Valor cavern Azelf DPPt.png|Azelf
</gallery>

===Pokémon Black 2 and White 2===
After beating the {{pkmn|Champion}}, the player can encounter Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf at the [[Cave of Being]], causing them to fly off to various places in [[Unova]], where the player may then battle them. Uxie heads to [[Nacrene City]] and is encountered outside of the [[Nacrene Museum]], Mesprit heads to the top of [[Celestial Tower]], and Azelf heads to {{rt|23|Unova}} and is found in part of the {{m|Strength}} puzzle; all three are initially invisible. They are encountered at level 65.

===Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire===
{{incomplete|needs=details}}
After obtaining the [[Eon Flute]], the lake trio can be captured at [[Nameless Cavern]]; however, only one member appears at a time. Mesprit appears from 4:00am - 7:59pm, Uxie from 8:00pm - 8:59pm, and Azelf 9:00pm - 3:59am.
If they are battled before the [[Elite Four]], and any of the three faints, they can be battled again after the player have defeated the Elite Four.

===Pokémon Mystery Dungeon===
The three are also found in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time, Explorers of Darkness, and]] [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|Explorers of Sky]]. They are found in three different lakes and are in charge of protecting three [[Time Gears]].

==In the anime==
{{main|Lake guardians (anime)}}
[[File:Lake guardians anime.png|thumb|250px|The lake guardians in the anime]]
All three first appeared in forms similar to souls, floating above their respective lakes, to the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}'s main characters. Mesprit appeared to {{an|Dawn}} during the start of her journey in ''[[DP001|Following a Maiden's Voyage!]]'', Azelf appeared to {{Ash}} during the duration of the [[Wallace Cup]] in ''[[DP078|Pruning a Passel of Pals!]]'' and Uxie appeared to {{an|Brock}} while he was looking for a [[Berry]] in ''[[DP133|Uncrushing Defeat!]]''. Due to these encounters, all three established a connection to the human they each met.

They appeared in their physical forms for the first time in ''[[DP151|The Needs of the Three!]]'', wherein, after being hired by [[Team Galactic]], [[J]] was able to capture all three of them. Team Galactic was then able to control them using red gems. With their power, [[Cyrus]] was able to summon {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} during [[DP152|the next episode]].

When the gems were broken by {{AP|Pikachu}}, {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}} and {{TP|Brock|Croagunk}}, the three were set free from Team Galactic's control. They then helped Ash and his friends stop the effects of summoning Dialga and Palkia.

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Lake guardians Adventures.png|thumb|250px|The lake guardians in Pokémon Adventures]]
Similar to the anime, the lake guardians all have a connection to the three Sinnoh Pokédex holders {{adv|Diamond}}, {{adv|Pearl}}, and {{adv|Platinum}}.

The first of the three to appear was Mesprit, in the form of a soul hovering above [[Lake Verity]] in a flashback of Diamond's childhood. In the present, after being dropped on the small island by a {{p|Staraptor}}, Pearl sees the reflection of Azelf in the small pond inside of the island cave. Platinum, as a child, had once been to [[Lake Acuity]] and saw Uxie, although she had no recollection of such an event in the present.

Later, after finding out that Team Galactic intends to capture the lake guardians for their evil purposes, the Sinnoh Pokédex holders all set out to the three lakes to try to stop them. Diamond was sent to Lake Verity where he faced Mars, Pearl was sent to Lake Valor where he faced Saturn, and Platinum went to Lake Acuity where she faced Jupiter. Though they fought hard, Lake Valor was eventually blown up by the Galactic Bomb and the three Pokémon residing inside of the caves were captured.

Next, it is revealed that Cyrus intends to create a [[Red Chain]] that can capture {{p|Dialga|Time}} and {{p|Palkia|Space}} and create a new world. Later, Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum infiltrate the [[Team Galactic HQ]] in order to free the lake guardians; while they do this, Cyrus creates a Red Chain from their gems. They manage to reach the room where the lake guardians are being held, but are prevented from freeing them by the [[Advanced level Grunt]]. Eventually, they manage to distract the Advanced level Grunt's Pokémon long enough to free Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf. Now freed, the lake guardians make their escape into the air.

The lake guardians later appeared alongside the Advanced level Grunt in the [[Distortion World]], returning Diamond, Pearl and Platinum their Pokédexes, which they had given up during their distraction. The Grunt revealed that he had stolen the Pokédexes only because he had been under the mind control of [[Sird]]. The lake guardians later participated in the battle against {{p|Giratina}} and {{p|Darkrai}}, which were being controlled by [[Charon]].

==Trivia==
* Acuity, Verity and Valor Cavern each have two puddles of water which can be compared to the relative positions in [[Sinnoh]] of the other two caverns; the lake guardian in each cavern occupies the position of its own location.
* The lake guardians are the only trio whose members are all exactly the same type.
* The lake guardians are the first set of [[Legendary Pokémon]] since the [[Legendary birds]] to have their names changed for non-Japanese language versions of the game; Mesprit and Azelf in English versions, and Uxie in various European-language versions.
* The lake trio contains the three {{wp|subtractive colors}} of yellow (Uxie), magenta (Mesprit) and cyan (Azelf).
** In addition, they share the same main colors with {{p|Cresselia}}.
* The trio's encounter music is a different version of their cavern music.
* They are the only Legendary trio that are incapable of learning any [[HM]]s.
* Each of the lake guardians has connected to one of the three main characters of the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}} {{pkmn|anime}} along with the Pokédex holders of the {{chap|Diamond & Pearl}} of Pokémon Adventures.
** Mesprit appeared to {{an|Dawn}}, highlighting her ability to understand what Pokémon feel, in ''[[DP001|Following a Maiden's Voyage]]''.
** Mesprit connected to {{adv|Diamond}} in Pokémon Adventures because of his strong emotional control, as shown in ''[[PS369|Problematic Probopass & Mad Magnezone II]]'' where even though he was shown to be angry, he never once raised his voice.
** Azelf appeared to {{Ash}}, highlighting his courageous actions without fear of his own harm, in ''[[DP078|Pruning a Passel of Pals]]''.
** Azelf connected to {{adv|Pearl}} in Pokémon Adventures because of his strong unbending will, as shown in ''[[PS342|A Conk on Cranidos's Cranium]]'' where he is seen helping Platinum in her Gym battle against [[Roark]] despite the strain it put on him.
** Uxie appeared to {{an|Brock}}, highlighting his superior knowledge of Pokémon to his companions, in ''[[DP133|Uncrushing Defeat!]]''.
** Uxie connected to {{adv|Platinum}} in Pokémon Adventures because of her great wisdom, as shown in ''[[PS338|Stagestruck Starly]]'' where it is revealed that her family, the House of Berlitz, is a family of scholars.
** The genders of the three main anime characters are parallel to the trio's genders in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]].
* In the Japanese fandom, the lake guardians are sometimes referred as the "UMA trio" or "UMA combination", with "UMA" standing for "unidentified mysterious animal". Coincidentally, these are also the initials of the three lake guardians in English; however, their Japanese names (Yuxie, Agnome, Emrit) do not form this initialism.
* They are the only 580 base stat Legendary trio to not have a [[List of Pokémon by base friendship|base friendship]] of 35. They in fact have the highest base friendship of all Legendary Pokémon, at 140, tying for the highest base friendship of all Pokémon with {{p|Lopunny}} and the evolutionary families of {{p|Chansey}} and {{p|Clefairy}}.
* All members of the lake guardians learn sacrificing moves at level 76. Uxie to {{m|Memento|lower both offensive stats}} of the opponent, Mesprit to {{m|Healing Wish|heal a party member}}, and Azelf to {{m|Explosion|highly damage the opponent}}.
* The lake guardians are the only non-mascot Legendary trio which does not receive a 150% power bonus in a [[Battrio combos|Battrio combo]], instead receiving 160%.
* The lake guardians are tied for the lightest Pokémon with a footprint.
* The lake guardians are the only pre-[[Generation V]] [[Legendary Pokémon]] that haven't appeared in a movie. The only other Pokémon to possibly share this distinction is {{p|Phione}}, whose [[Legendary Pokémon]] status is disputed.
* In {{2v2|Black|White|2}}, each member of the lake guardians appears in a place that represents what they stand for after leaving [[Cave of Being]]. Uxie appears in front of the [[Nacrene City]] museum, a place where people go to seek knowledge. Mesprit appears at the [[Celestial Tower]], a place were people express their feelings and mourn. Azelf appears on {{rt|23|Unova}}, the path that leads to {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}} and where a Trainer's courage will be tested.
* The lake guardians are lighter than any other [[Legendary Pokémon]].
*It is rumored that Uxie, Mespirit and Azelf represent the triforce from the Legend of Zelda.
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[[File:Lake guardians DP.png|thumb|220px|Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf]]
The '''lake guardians''', or '''lake trio''', is a term used to describe the [[Legendary trio]] residing in the three lakes of [[Sinnoh]]: {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}}. They are meant to represent knowledge, emotion, and willpower, respectively. They are based on the {{wp|Imperial Regalia of Japan}}: the {{wp|Yata no Kagami}} (wisdom), {{wp|Yasakani no Magatama}} (benevolence), and {{wp|Kusanagi}} (valor). Parts of their names come from fantasy creatures: {{wp|pixie}}s, {{wp|sprite}}s and {{wp|elf|elves}}, respectively. The other parts of their names come from pronouns: you ('''U'''xie), me ('''Me'''sprit), and us ('''Az'''elf).

Unlike previous trios, all three of the lake trio are of a single type, the {{type|Psychic}}, though like the others, they share an [[Ability]]: {{a|Levitate}}. According to [[Sinnoh myths|legend]], when {{p|Arceus}} created the universe it created Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf, and therefore is believed to be their [[Trio master|master]]. According to one of Azelf's Pokédex entries, all three of them were born from the same Egg.

==Similar movesets==
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|-
! style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}; {{roundytl|5px}};" | {{color2|{{psychic color light}}|Level|Lv.}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | [[File:480Uxie.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Uxie|703e4e}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | [[File:481Mesprit.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Mesprit|703e4e}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | [[File:482Azelf.png|96px]] {{pcolor|Azelf|703e4e}} {{typecolor|Psychic}}
|-
| rowspan="5" style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|Start}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Memento|{{dark color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Healing Wish|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
|
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Natural Gift|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Flail|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Copycat|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Last Resort|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Rest|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
|-
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Confusion|{{psychic color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|6}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Imprison|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|16}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Endure|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Protect|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Detect|{{fighting color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|21}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Swift|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|31}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Yawn|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Lucky Chant|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Uproar|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|36}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | {{mcolor|Future Sight|{{psychic color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|46}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Amnesia|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Charm|{{fairy color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Nasty Plot|{{dark color dark}}}}''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|51}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | '''{{mcolor|Extrasensory|{{psychic color dark}}}}'''
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|61}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Flail|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Copycat|{{normal color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Last Resort|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|66}}
| colspan="3" style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Natural Gift|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| style="text-align:right; background:#{{psychic color dark}}" | {{color|F99CB8|76}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Memento|{{dark color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}" | ''{{mcolor|Healing Wish|{{psychic color dark}}}}''
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | {{mcolor|Explosion|{{normal color dark}}}}
|-
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{psychic color dark}}; color: #{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}};"| Moves in '''bold''' are {{color2|F99CB8|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

==Base stat comparison==
{{triostats|cynthia|480|Uxie|psychic|75|75|130|75|130|95|481|Mesprit|psychic|80|105|105|105|105|80|482|Azelf|psychic|75|125|70|125|70|115}}

==In the games==
===Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum===
The lake guardians each live in the cavern at the center of one of Sinnoh's three commonly known lakes: Uxie resides in [[Acuity Cavern]] of [[Lake Acuity]], Mesprit resides in [[Verity Cavern]] of [[Lake Verity]], and Azelf resides [[Valor Cavern]] of [[Lake Valor]]. A [[Sendoff Spring|secret fourth lake]] exists, but instead houses [[Turnback Cave]], which contains a portal to the [[Distortion World]] and is thus often visited by {{p|Giratina}}.

In {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}, Team Galactic attempts to capture all three of the lake guardians. [[Saturn]] goes to Lake Valor, where Team Galactic drains the lake by blowing it up with a [[Galactic Bomb]]. This is the lake the player must go to first. Despite losing to the player, Team Galactic still successfully captures Azelf. Over at Lake Verity, [[Mars]] is leading the operation and easily holding off [[Professor Rowan]] and {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}}. While the player again manages to defeat Mars, Team Galactic still successfully capture Mesprit. Finally, at Lake Acuity, by the time the player arrives, [[Jupiter]] has just defeated {{ga|Barry}} and successfully captured Uxie.

When the player later storms [[Team Galactic HQ]], it is discovered that [[Cyrus]] used the lake guardians to create the [[Red Chain]] so that he could control {{p|Dialga}} and/or {{p|Palkia}}. In Platinum, Cyrus then duplicates this Red Chain with his technology to create a second one, as he intends to control both Dialga and Palkia.

In Diamond and Pearl, the lake guardians come to the [[Spear Pillar]] when [[Cyrus]] summons Dialga{{sup/4|D}} or Palkia{{sup/4|P}} and destroy the Red Chain he is using to control it, as their combined power is equal to that of one of the members of the [[creation trio]]. This prevents Cyrus from creating his new world without spirit. After doing so, they return to their lakes.

In Platinum, the lake guardians come to the Spear Pillar to attempt to balance out the power of Dialga and Palkia; however, the three lake guardians combined can only balance out one of the two, so they are overpowered. As a result, {{p|Giratina}} is angered by the dis-balance and is forced to merge the [[Distortion World]] with the real world at the Spear Pillar to prevent them from being destroyed. Cyrus, followed by the lake guardians, enter the Distortion World. Inside the Distortion World, the lake guardians assist the player with the {{m|Strength}} puzzle, then return to their lakes.

The three lake guardians are obtainable after the defeat of [[Team Galactic]] at [[Mt. Coronet]]. They each return to their lakes, and Uxie and Azelf can be caught in the caverns of their lakes; however, when encountering Mesprit in its cave, it flies off and [[Roaming Pokémon|roams]] the region.

<gallery>
File:Lake Acuity cavern Uxie DPPt.png|Uxie
File:Lake Verity cavern Mesprit DP.png|Mesprit
File:Lake Valor cavern Azelf DPPt.png|Azelf
</gallery>

===Pokémon Black 2 and White 2===
After beating the {{pkmn|Champion}}, the player can encounter Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf at the [[Cave of Being]], causing them to fly off to various places in [[Unova]], where the player may then battle them. Uxie heads to [[Nacrene City]] and is encountered outside of the [[Nacrene Museum]], Mesprit heads to the top of [[Celestial Tower]], and Azelf heads to {{rt|23|Unova}} and is found in part of the {{m|Strength}} puzzle; all three are initially invisible. They are encountered at level 65.

===Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire===
{{incomplete|needs=details}}
After obtaining the [[Eon Flute]], the lake trio can be captured at [[Nameless Cavern]]; however, only one member appears at a time. Mesprit appears from 4:00am - 7:59pm, Uxie from 8:00pm - 8:59pm, and Azelf 9:00pm - 3:59am.
If they are battled before the [[Elite Four]], and any of the three faints, they can be battled again after the player have defeated the Elite Four.

===Pokémon Mystery Dungeon===
The three are also found in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time, Explorers of Darkness, and]] [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|Explorers of Sky]]. They are found in three different lakes and are in charge of protecting three [[Time Gears]].

==In the anime==
{{main|Lake guardians (anime)}}
[[File:Lake guardians anime.png|thumb|250px|The lake guardians in the anime]]
All three first appeared in forms similar to souls, floating above their respective lakes, to the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}'s main characters. Mesprit appeared to {{an|Dawn}} during the start of her journey in ''[[DP001|Following a Maiden's Voyage!]]'', Azelf appeared to {{Ash}} during the duration of the [[Wallace Cup]] in ''[[DP078|Pruning a Passel of Pals!]]'' and Uxie appeared to {{an|Brock}} while he was looking for a [[Berry]] in ''[[DP133|Uncrushing Defeat!]]''. Due to these encounters, all three established a connection to the human they each met.

They appeared in their physical forms for the first time in ''[[DP151|The Needs of the Three!]]'', wherein, after being hired by [[Team Galactic]], [[J]] was able to capture all three of them. Team Galactic was then able to control them using red gems. With their power, [[Cyrus]] was able to summon {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} during [[DP152|the next episode]].

When the gems were broken by {{AP|Pikachu}}, {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}} and {{TP|Brock|Croagunk}}, the three were set free from Team Galactic's control. They then helped Ash and his friends stop the effects of summoning Dialga and Palkia.

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Lake guardians Adventures.png|thumb|250px|The lake guardians in Pokémon Adventures]]
Similar to the anime, the lake guardians all have a connection to the three Sinnoh Pokédex holders {{adv|Diamond}}, {{adv|Pearl}}, and {{adv|Platinum}}.

The first of the three to appear was Mesprit, in the form of a soul hovering above [[Lake Verity]] in a flashback of Diamond's childhood. In the present, after being dropped on the small island by a {{p|Staraptor}}, Pearl sees the reflection of Azelf in the small pond inside of the island cave. Platinum, as a child, had once been to [[Lake Acuity]] and saw Uxie, although she had no recollection of such an event in the present.

Later, after finding out that Team Galactic intends to capture the lake guardians for their evil purposes, the Sinnoh Pokédex holders all set out to the three lakes to try to stop them. Diamond was sent to Lake Verity where he faced Mars, Pearl was sent to Lake Valor where he faced Saturn, and Platinum went to Lake Acuity where she faced Jupiter. Though they fought hard, Lake Valor was eventually blown up by the Galactic Bomb and the three Pokémon residing inside of the caves were captured.

Next, it is revealed that Cyrus intends to create a [[Red Chain]] that can capture {{p|Dialga|Time}} and {{p|Palkia|Space}} and create a new world. Later, Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum infiltrate the [[Team Galactic HQ]] in order to free the lake guardians; while they do this, Cyrus creates a Red Chain from their gems. They manage to reach the room where the lake guardians are being held, but are prevented from freeing them by the [[Advanced level Grunt]]. Eventually, they manage to distract the Advanced level Grunt's Pokémon long enough to free Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf. Now freed, the lake guardians make their escape into the air.

The lake guardians later appeared alongside the Advanced level Grunt in the [[Distortion World]], returning Diamond, Pearl and Platinum their Pokédexes, which they had given up during their distraction. The Grunt revealed that he had stolen the Pokédexes only because he had been under the mind control of [[Sird]]. The lake guardians later participated in the battle against {{p|Giratina}} and {{p|Darkrai}}, which were being controlled by [[Charon]].

==Trivia==
* Acuity, Verity and Valor Cavern each have two puddles of water which can be compared to the relative positions in [[Sinnoh]] of the other two caverns; the lake guardian in each cavern occupies the position of its own location.
* The lake guardians are the only trio whose members are all exactly the same type.
* The lake guardians are the first set of [[Legendary Pokémon]] since the [[Legendary birds]] to have their names changed for non-Japanese language versions of the game; Mesprit and Azelf in English versions, and Uxie in various European-language versions.
* The lake trio contains the three {{wp|subtractive colors}} of yellow (Uxie), magenta (Mesprit) and cyan (Azelf).
** In addition, they share the same main colors with {{p|Cresselia}}.
* The trio's encounter music is a different version of their cavern music.
* They are the only Legendary trio that are incapable of learning any [[HM]]s.
* Each of the lake guardians has connected to one of the three main characters of the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}} {{pkmn|anime}} along with the Pokédex holders of the {{chap|Diamond & Pearl}} of Pokémon Adventures.
** Mesprit appeared to {{an|Dawn}}, highlighting her ability to understand what Pokémon feel, in ''[[DP001|Following a Maiden's Voyage]]''.
** Mesprit connected to {{adv|Diamond}} in Pokémon Adventures because of his strong emotional control, as shown in ''[[PS369|Problematic Probopass & Mad Magnezone II]]'' where even though he was shown to be angry, he never once raised his voice.
** Azelf appeared to {{Ash}}, highlighting his courageous actions without fear of his own harm, in ''[[DP078|Pruning a Passel of Pals]]''.
** Azelf connected to {{adv|Pearl}} in Pokémon Adventures because of his strong unbending will, as shown in ''[[PS342|A Conk on Cranidos's Cranium]]'' where he is seen helping Platinum in her Gym battle against [[Roark]] despite the strain it put on him.
** Uxie appeared to {{an|Brock}}, highlighting his superior knowledge of Pokémon to his companions, in ''[[DP133|Uncrushing Defeat!]]''.
** Uxie connected to {{adv|Platinum}} in Pokémon Adventures because of her great wisdom, as shown in ''[[PS338|Stagestruck Starly]]'' where it is revealed that her family, the House of Berlitz, is a family of scholars.
** The genders of the three main anime characters are parallel to the trio's genders in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]].
* In the Japanese fandom, the lake guardians are sometimes referred as the "UMA trio" or "UMA combination", with "UMA" standing for "unidentified mysterious animal". Coincidentally, these are also the initials of the three lake guardians in English; however, their Japanese names (Yuxie, Agnome, Emrit) do not form this initialism.
* They are the only 580 base stat Legendary trio to not have a [[List of Pokémon by base friendship|base friendship]] of 35. They in fact have the highest base friendship of all Legendary Pokémon, at 140, tying for the highest base friendship of all Pokémon with {{p|Lopunny}} and the evolutionary families of {{p|Chansey}} and {{p|Clefairy}}.
* All members of the lake guardians learn sacrificing moves at level 76. Uxie to {{m|Memento|lower both offensive stats}} of the opponent, Mesprit to {{m|Healing Wish|heal a party member}}, and Azelf to {{m|Explosion|highly damage the opponent}}.
* The lake guardians are the only non-mascot Legendary trio which does not receive a 150% power bonus in a [[Battrio combos|Battrio combo]], instead receiving 160%.
* The lake guardians are tied for the lightest Pokémon with a footprint.
* The lake guardians are the only pre-[[Generation V]] [[Legendary Pokémon]] that haven't appeared in a movie. The only other Pokémon to possibly share this distinction is {{p|Phione}}, whose [[Legendary Pokémon]] status is disputed.
* In {{2v2|Black|White|2}}, each member of the lake guardians appears in a place that represents what they stand for after leaving [[Cave of Being]]. Uxie appears in front of the [[Nacrene City]] museum, a place where people go to seek knowledge. Mesprit appears at the [[Celestial Tower]], a place were people express their feelings and mourn. Azelf appears on {{rt|23|Unova}}, the path that leads to {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}} and where a Trainer's courage will be tested.
* The lake guardians are lighter than any other [[Legendary Pokémon]].
{{Legendary trios}}
*It is rumored that Uxie, Mespirit and Azelf represent the triforce from the Legend of Zelda.
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Easter egg

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'''Easter eggs''' are hidden parts of a game or software that are usually discovered by more experienced players. There have been a number of Easter eggs throughout the Pokémon franchise. In the {{pkmn|games}}, there are several items, locations and events that are considered by some to be Easter eggs.

==Easter eggs in the games==
===Truck===
[[File:SS Truck.png|thumb|200px|right|The truck, as it appears in {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}]]
A major Easter egg in the game is [[S.S. Anne#Rumors|the truck]] from the [[Generation I|first generation]] games. In Pokémon {{3v2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}, as well as their remakes {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, there is a truck which appears in the S.S. Anne's port which serves no evident purpose except as scenery. With scenery being very sparse in the [[Generation I]] games, and this being one of the few sprites with no other purpose than to exist in one spot, fans began speculating that another purpose existed for this truck, and that it could perhaps be moved with {{m|Strength}}. Thus, a popular rumor sprang up that a [[Poké Ball]] containing {{p|Mew}} could be found underneath. The only flaw with this was that the [[HM]] for {{m|Strength}} could only be obtained after getting Cut, which required the S.S. Anne leaving. There were a number of ways that players went around this problem. The first, and most obvious was trading a Pokémon that knew Cut into their game. The second involved getting the HM from the Ship's Captain then battling a Trainer and losing, having them run to the [[Pokémon Center]] without the ship leaving. They could progress through the game until Surf and Strength were acquired and then attempt the truck. The rumor was proven false.

Later, in the [[Generation III]] remakes of Red and Blue, the truck is still present, however, there is actually something of a point to get to it this time around. On its pier, if the player walks down a bit, they can find a hidden {{DL|Status ailment healing item|Lava Cookie}}, unavailable until [[Sevii Islands|later in the game]]. The truck had been positioned there, as an Easter egg, due to the old, popular rumors that were spreading during the time of Pokémon {{3v2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}.

===Diamond dust===
[[File:Diamond Dust IV.png|frame|right|Diamond dust in Snowpoint]]

Diamond dust is a special variation of {{weather|Hail|snow}} that has appeared in select locations and at select times in [[core series]] games since [[Generation IV]]. Diamond dust has no effect in battle.

On January 10, 2008, Director [[Junichi Masuda]] [[:n:Masuda: 'Please play Pokémon Diamond/Pearl on Jan. 12'|announced]] on his blog that fans should play {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} on January 12, his birthday, for a surprise. The surprise was discovered to be sparkling diamond dust falling in [[Snowpoint City]] instead of the normal, light snow.

Below are the known dates and locations that diamond dust occurs in the Pokémon games.
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{Ice color dark}}; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 3px solid #{{Ice color}}" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
! style="background:#{{Ice color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Date
! style="background:#{{Ice color light}}" | Game
! style="background:#{{Ice color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Location
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan=1 | January 12 || {{gameabbrev3|DPPt}} || [[Snowpoint City]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan=2 | February 29 || {{gameabbrev3|DPPt}} || [[Snowpoint City]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
| {{gameabbrev3|HGSS}} || [[Mt. Silver]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan=2 | March 15 || {{gameabbrev3|DPPt}} || [[Snowpoint City]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
| {{gameabbrev3|HGSS}} || [[Mt. Silver]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan=1 | March 31 || {{gameabbrev3|DPPt}} || [[Snowpoint City]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan=1 | April 22 || {{gameabbrev3|DPPt}} || [[Snowpoint City]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan=1 | May 1 || {{gameabbrev3|DP}} || [[Snowpoint City]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan=1 | September 2 || {{gameabbrev3|DPPt}} || [[Snowpoint City]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan=1 | September 20 || {{gameabbrev3|DPPt}} || [[Snowpoint City]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
| rowspan=1 | October 10 || {{gameabbrev3|HGSS}} || [[Mt. Silver]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
| October 30 || {{gameabbrev3|DPPt}} || [[Snowpoint City]]
|- style="background:#FFF"
| December 31 || {{gameabbrev3|BWB2W2}} || [[Icirrus City]]
|-
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | Player's [[birthday]]
| style="background:#FFF" | {{gameabbrev3|XY}}
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[Frost Cavern]]
|}

===Secret wallpaper===
[[File:Secret wallpaper.png|frame|right|Team Galactic Wallpaper]]
Another Easter egg in the game is the secret wallpaper for the [[Pokémon Storage System]] that can only be obtained by outside resources. Only a special phrase, unique to the player's ID number can be used to unlock the wallpaper from {{game|Emerald}} and {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. This phrase can be obtained by guessing, or using a generator like the one located at [[Filb.de]]. In {{game|Emerald}}, certain, unique phrases will result in [[Walda]] in Rustboro giving the player a special, customizable wallpaper design by cheering her up and making her laugh. Using the Secret Word Generator the player is able to obtain the phrase.

In {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}, eight special wallpapers can be unlocked, also through using special, unique phrases by a man in Jubilife TV located in Jubilife City. Online generators have been created to supply players with these phrases, using player's ID numbers and game language. After selecting a language and entering an ID number, clicking "Generate" will take viewers to a page full of wallpaper, with four words next to each one. Talking to the TV Producer in Jubilife TV and entering those four words in the order they are presented in will unlock a wallpaper, with 8 unlockable in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, and a different 8 unlockable in {{game|Platinum}}. Unlike in Emerald, these games can hold all eight wallpapers at once.

In {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, [[Primo]] in [[Violet City]]'s [[Pokémon Center]] will instead reward the {{player}} with eight different wallpapers once they enter the corresponding phrase.

===Other Easter eggs===
[[File:Sakurai cat.png|thumb|right|The hidden cat]]
*In {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}}, when the player uploads a {{p|Pikachu}} from {{v2|Yellow}}, it will be voiced by [[Ikue Ohtani]] and have unique sound effects. Likewise, if a Pikachu or {{p|Raichu}} that knows {{m|Surf}} is used, it will have a unique attack animation. This animation also occurs in {{Pokémon XD}} and [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]].
*If the {{player}} speaks to either {{ga|Dawn}} or {{ga|Lucas}} (depending on their gender) on which it is their birthday on the [[Nintendo DS]] calendar, they will wish the player happy birthday. This only happens after the player has beaten the [[Elite Four]].
*An Easter egg can be found in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]] while the player is playing in {{OBP|Pokémon Stadium 2|stage}} stage when the stage is in Ice Mode. If the player angles the camera and looks through the window of the cabin that Snorunt is in, a poster of a pet cat can be seen on the wall. The cat is rumored to belong to Sakurai, but he announced that it is false.

{{Project Games notice|game mechanic}}

[[Category:Game mechanics]]

List of glitches in spin-off games

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User talk:Valehd

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Talk:Manaphy (Pokémon)

2015-03-26T22:44:54Z

Valehd: /* Manaphy Egg in B/W */

Hey, I've noticed that Manaphy is shown on the page as being in two breeding groups (Water 1 and Fairy). I was under the impression it could only breed with Ditto. Should it be changed? {{unsigned|Cuchonchuir}}

: I suppose that is a mere technicality. After all, can ungendered Pokémon breed with anything but a Ditto? - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 22:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

According to my "Official Pokémon full Pokédex" guide from Prima, Manaphy's egg group is, indeed, Water 1 and Fairy. Plus, I think the official nintendo power guide ALSO confirmed it as such.

~~Weedle_Mchairybug~~

==Manaphy Giveway==
When we they reveal a list of participating Toys R Us that ar giving away Manaphy? Theryguy512 19:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:I think there's too many of them to feasibly do that. You just have to go to the nearest and see if they're participating. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

==Manaphy Weight==
According to the Pokémon Manaphy website (which can be loctaed in the 'Game Info' section on this website: http://www.pokemon.com/manaphy/main.html ) Manaphy wieghs 3 pounds, not 3.1 --[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 20:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
:It's 3.1 in game. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, Okay --[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]] 11:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

== Batonnage availability ==

How should we mention that Manaphy, {{p|Darkrai}}, and {{p|Riolu}} can be transferred to {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} from {{g|Ranger Batonnage}}? We can't add entries to their "game locations" tables, since those are templates. And I do think we should include it, since we include Manaphy's availability in {{pkmn|Ranger}}, which is similar, in its table. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 01:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

They did mention the Manaphy Egg being in ''Batonnage'', but they didn't exactly say where was it found in the game. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 22:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:If it has no other in-game location, transfer from Ranger/Batonnage is fine, but Darkrai and Riolu can be found through in-game means... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

But will it be compatible with Platinum--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

If Manaphy's not found in Platinum, it's likely going to be compatible. But that's being too hasty. We'll have to wait until it is officially announced whether it's compatible or not. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 00:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

:Well, the American {{pkmn|Colosseum}} bonus disc isn't compatible with Emerald, and Emerald uses the same regional Pokédex the other games in [[Generation III|its generation]] set in [[Hoenn|the same country]] use, so odds are transfers may not work for Platnium (or whatever they'll end up renaming it to)...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

You may be right. (They're planning on renaming Platinum?) [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 01:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== ... ==

Under Evoloution, it says does not evolve. {{p|Phione|I believe it has a certain child...}} [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 20:14, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:...so? It doesn't evolve.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 21:55, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::A breeding arrow would be more suitable. But idk how to implement that. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I made one. There were however LOTS of variables that I didn't know what to set to so it might take some tinkering. (Maybe inform an admin of its existance). Template:evobox/1baby/noevolve--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:34, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
::::...well, you could look at how they're set to determine what they are... but bleh. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== Unclear ==

I don't quite understand at the the beginning stating that it has "the unprecedented ability to breed." ALL Pokemon can breed, so what does this mean?
:It and Phione (whose status is debated anyways) are the only ''legendary'' Pokémon who can breed.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 13:04, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== Last Water Type Pokemon in the Pokedex.. ==

Can we put "Excluding Arceus?" --[[User:JasonTongRulz|♪ Jason Tong ♪]] 09:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:No. Arceus is naturally a normal type.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:: True --[[User:JasonTongRulz|♪ Jason Tong ♪]] 01:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

==Manaphy Egg in B/W==
Hey, is the Manaphy Egg from Pokemon Ranger: Guardian Signs able to be sent to Black and White?

---Emperor Jalorda {{unsigned|Emperor Jalorda}}

idk, but sign your comments the right way --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 22:44, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

== Pearl Poxedex Entry ==

Does anyone else find it odd that the Pokedex claims Manaphy is 80% water, which is only 5% less than that of the average infant? I think Manaphy is often thought of as being a baby itself as it is hatched from an egg when it is first obtained. I am not sure if this is even relevant enough to post at all, but I find it rather interesting. {{unsigned|Frenchhorn}}
:I think it is simply Game Freak trying to attribute it to its type. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

==Ocean Fairies==
Should it really say in the Origin part that sea angels look like ocean fairies? To me that seems subjective and irrelevant. {{unsigned|Bolter1}}

== Trivia Problem ==

At the trivia of this page, it says that manaphy and ditto are the ONLY pokemon capable of breeding and unobtainable through breeding. But this is completely wrong, because most evolved pokemon are capable of breeding AND unobtainable through breeding. So I was wondering if I could delete this sentence. {{unsigned|Rabitsd}}
:Well, you can breed a fully-evolved Pokemon, receive an unevolved/pre-evolved Pokemon, and then evolve that Pokemon to the fully-evolved form. That would let you get another Charizard (for example) from breeding. [[User:Kyjoca|Kyjoca]] ([[User talk:Kyjoca|talk]]) 01:04, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

== Egg won't hatch on Black(2)/White(2) ==
So recently I have obtain a Manaphy egg on my Black 2 using Pokegen. (similar to [[Pokésav]]) But it seems like the egg will never hatch and the status of the egg will not change either. Thee egg sprite is the same as the Manaphy egg found on [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|D/P]]/[[Pokémon Platinum Version|Pt]] games. I had to use my [[Action Replay|action replay]] to hatch the egg. Should it be added on the trivia section that the Manaphy egg won't hatch in Black(2)/White(2) regardless of even using hacks? --[[User:IllaZilla|IllaZilla]] ([[User talk:IllaZilla|talk]]) 00:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

User talk:Nutter Butter

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Talk:EP029

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== Regarding Maddie as Meowth ==
Many people, including Maddie Blaustein herself, say that this is the episode where she took over for Nathan Price. However, I'm skeptical about this. I haven't seen this episode in a very long time, but from what I remember, Meowth sounded like Price. In fact, I don't believe Maddie took over until [[EP032]], which is when I remember the voice changing. What do you guys think? --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 22:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==PICTURE==
Is it just me or is picture of the episode really bad? --[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 03:24, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:Why, what's wrong with it?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 03:53, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::The overlapping of the picture is just clumsy and messy.You can see 3 pokemon in the one shot with the fighting ring behind.Can I suggest a different picture?--[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 04:40, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I think it is a good picture. Leave it as it is. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 04:55, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

== pikachu-faced baby trivia ==

did someone remove it, or was that for a different episode? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 00:45, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Snow Way Out!

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Valehd: /* Trivia */

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'''Snow Way Out!''' (Japanese: '''イワークでビバーク''' ''{{tt|Iwark|Onix}} as a {{tt|Bivouac|A military encampment, usually a tent}}'') is a special episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first broadcast in Japan on October 5, 1998, following ''[[Holiday Hi-Jynx]]'', and in the United States on December 18, 1999. It was initially intended to be EP041, airing on January 6, 1998, but was rescheduled following the [[EP038]] incident.

{{spoilers}}

==Blurb==

Continuing their journey, Ash and gang find themselves at a fork in the road. They make the fateful decision to climb a steep and dangerous mountain taking them even deeper into the woods. Pikachu gets lost and they must all work together to find him, stay warm and weather the storm.

==Plot==
As {{Ash}}, {{an|Misty}}, {{an|Brock}} and {{AP|Pikachu}} continue on their journey, they come across a fork in the road. The trail to the right leads into a huge mountain. Ash's dense self decides to take the trail that goes into the mountain, and the others follow him. They then come across a very steep, snowy path that Misty claims they will need a ski-lift to get them to the top. Misty and Brock both want to turn around and go the other way, but Ash is different, and he claims that a [[Pokémon Master]] always stays on course, no matter what the conditions, and that he won't let a little pile of snow stop him. The simple mountain they have stumbled upon turns out to be a huge mountain range.

As the gang head up the trail through the mountain, with Misty and Brock wearing blankets (and are still freezing) because they are so cold, and Brock's compass is going crazy. He then figures out that the mountain has so much iron, it's throwing the needle off. They then realize that if the compass doesn't work, it will be difficult to find their way. But Brock says that if the sun is up in the position it's in at 3:00, and according to his calculations... they're lost. Misty shouts at Ash to get them off the mountain, and he sends out his {{AP|Pidgeotto}} to find a trail that will lead them off the mountain. Pidgeotto flies around and eventually finds one, and it flies back to Ash and his friends, and points them in the direction of the trail. They then follow Pidgeotto while it guides them.

The camera pans over to a wide shot of [[Team Rocket trio|Team Rocket]], and the scene has transitioned. [[James]] and [[Meowth (Team Rocket)|Meowth]] hug each other because they are both freezing, but not [[Jessie]]- as it turns out she loves the snow. James can't believe it, and Jessie says that it brings back memories. She then can't believe that James and Meowth haven't ever had a "snowgasboard" (a reference to "Smorgasboard"). She says that it was one of the few memories of her wretched and poverty-stricken childhood. The scene cuts to a flashback of Jessie as a little girl, and her foster mother calls her inside for her Snowgasboard. It contains: snow [[wp:onigiri|onigiri]] with snow sauce, a sampler of sushi-snow rolls, snow potatoes with sour cream and for dessert: a bowl of her favorite snow pudding. Jessie reminisces about her happy experiences, as James and Meowth think she is joking. Jessie says that snow food is low in fat and it helped her maintain her self-proclaimed fabulous figure. She then reminisces further about snow potatoes mixed with soy sauce, and that only fresh snow will do. James and Meowth are grossed out. James then says that they can head off Ash and his friends using the [[Team Rocket's mechas|Meowth balloon]]. They then recite their [[Team Rocket mottos|motto]]. While reciting it, the balloon has drifted off and is now way up in the air. They chase after it without any luck.

The scene transitions to black clouds which could only mean one thing on a snowy mountain: a potential blizzard. The scene transitions again to our heroes as it starts to snow. They realize that the sky was clear just a little while ago and that the weather is totally unpredictable on this mountain. They know they have to get moving fast before a snow storm hits.

The scene transitions to Team Rocket again as the balloon is almost out of sight. All of their food and supplies are on that balloon. Jessie starts to look at the snow and then tells them she can make snow rolls. James and Meowth don't want them, and Jessie wants to walk further to where the balloon is so she can get some soy sauce. Meowth says that he would rather have ketchup on his snow rolls.

The scene cuts to Ash, Misty and Brock braving what used to be light snow has now turned into a full-on blizzard. They start to contemplate setting up camp, but Ash, as diligent as ever, argues that the trail leading them out of the mountain is probably close by. Brock reminds him that the sun is going to set soon, and not even the bravest [[Pokémon Trainer]] would wander around in a snowstorm in the dark. Ash agrees, and as Brock says they should start to dig a cave, the snowstorm starts to intensify and the intense wind knocks Ash down, and he lets go of Pikachu and the Mouse [[Pokémon (species)|Pokémon]] is blown away, completely out of sight. Ash chases after Pikachu and Misty wants to stop Ash, but Brock stops her and the storm starts to intensify even more.

As Ash walks through deep snow while repeatedly calling for Pikachu in the brutal snowstorm, he collapses. Then he hears something: Pikachu's voice. Ash calls back to Pikachu, Pikachu responds, and Ash follows the direction of Pikachu's voice. As he walks, he falls down a small cliff. He then hears Pikachu's voice close by. He then sees the small yellow Pokémon and it is hanging by one arm from a wedge on a very high cliff. Ash tries to grab Pikachu, but it falls down the cliff, yet manages to grab onto another wedge. Ash thinks and comes up with a solution: {{AP|Bulbasaur}}. He sends it out and it uses {{m|Vine Whip}} to grab Pikachu. But Pikachu cannot hold on and it falls down the cliff again. Bulbasaur acts fast and grabs Pikachu with its vines just in the nick of time. They pull Pikachu up to their level and Pikachu and Ash embrace. Pikachu does a facial expression of Brock and in doing so, he reminds Ash that they need to get up the small cliff Ash fell down before and get back to Misty and Brock. He tries climbing up the cliff, but to no avail. He tries calling their names, but this doesn't work either. Ash then comes up with an idea to dig a snow cave. He then sends out {{AP|Charmander}} and it uses {{m|Flamethrower}} to blast through the snow. It does a good job of building the cave and then, Ash sends out Bulbasaur and {{AP|Squirtle}} to help seal the cave off from the ferocious snowstorm. It takes them a while, but they do it. Ash then tries to figure out how to heat up the cave. Bulbasaur suggests to Charmander to make its tail flame more intense, and it does so.

*''Most of the next scene was cut for the dub, so there are some parts that only appear in the original Japanese version. The sections in bold are the Japanese version only.''

The scene transitions to Team Rocket inside an igloo. James wonders how they are going to survive, while '''Meowth holds a match''' (a candle in the dub) that blows out. Jessie has 2 snow rolls in hand, and she proclaims it is dinner time. '''While Meowth lights another match, James asks if she has anything else to eat other than snow rolls. Jessie says it is the only thing, and she says it is good for them. Then she asks James to eat them. He declines her offer. Meowth's match blows out, and it lights another one. They ask Jessie if she has any more food. She says she does, she has more snow rolls.''' James then says he is not in the mood for frozen food. Meowth then tells them that all they have left are burnt-out matches, and James says that if they use their imagination, they can pretend they are heating lamps and that will be enough to keep them warm. '''Meowth then lights another match, and the camera moves in on him and the scene transitions.''' Meowth imagines himself bathing in a hot spring. James imagines himself sitting in a beach chair, on the beach, tanning. Jessie then imagines herself in thick clothing, sitting in a desert with heaters around her. The scene transitions back to the igloo '''and Jessie is holding another lit match, which goes out''', and she sees that James and Meowth have fallen asleep. She slaps them around and they wake up. They then fall asleep again and she shouts at them to wake up, or they will freeze to death. She slaps them around some more.

As the brutal snowstorm rages on, the scene transitions back to Ash's cave where he and 4 of his Pokémon are staying. Ash wonders where Misty and Brock are and how they are doing. But there is a new problem: After a long time of keeping the others warm, Charmander's tail flame starts to weaken. Charmander is exhausted after it used up all of its flame. Ash tells Charmander to get back into its {{ball|Poké}}, but it refuses, but Ash calls it back anyway, much to Charmander's shock. Ash then figures that the Pokémon should be warm inside their Poké Balls. So, he tells Bulbasaur and Squirtle back into their Poké Balls, and like Charmander, they refuse too. Ash calls them back anyway, much to their shock. Ash then attempts to call Pikachu back into its Poké Ball, but Pikachu refuses, and it clings onto Ash. Ash is touched by Pikachu's gesture of trying to keep its Trainer warm and he accepts its decision.

As the time passes, Ash and Pikachu are freezing cold, and Ash wonders if his other Pokémon are warm enough inside their Poké Balls. But now, the snowstorm has gotten so bad that a part of the snow wall has broken through. Ash runs over to the hole and sits in front of it, blocking the snow coming in, and Ash is already struggling to cope with the extremely intense cold weather. Now that the situation has become this bad, Ash tells Pikachu to get inside its Poké Ball. Pikachu again refuses, worrying for Ash's safety and Ash assures Pikachu he will be okay, as long as he knows Pikachu will be safe. Finally, Ash ''orders'' Pikachu to get inside the Poké Ball. Pikachu refuses once more. Then, the rest of Ash's Pokémon- Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle and {{AP|Pidgeotto}}- all free themselves from their Poké Balls and hold on to Ash. Ash is so taken aback by his Pokémon's commitment to him that he is reduced to tears. He then looks at them and says, "You win. Guess we'll be cold... all together. That's right... We'll be cold all together."

It is now morning and the harsh snowstorm has completely subsided. Charmander demolishes the snow wall with Flamethrower, and Ash looks upon the amazing view with his beloved Pokémon. He hears a voice calling him, he turns around, and it is Misty, Brock and his {{TP|Brock|Onix}}. He is very happy to see his friends again. Onix lifts Ash and his Pokémon up to his friends' level. They ask Ash how he survived the storm and he tells them about the cave he dug. Brock and Misty then reveal that Onix dug into an underground hot spring, and they were very comfortable there, much to Ash's extreme surprise. They then discover that the blizzard blew over Team Rocket's balloon, which is right next to them. Brock says it is out of fuel, but he sends out his {{TP|Brock|Vulpix}}, and has it use Flamethrower, and the balloon is now flyable. They then fly off over the mountain range.

The scene cuts to Team Rocket pinching each other's cheeks, and they then see Ash and his friends in the Meowth balloon, and they chase after them. They then fall into a hot spring and are declined to move, they are very comfortable. Ash thinks he heard Team Rocket while the balloon files above them, and then, they see a town ahead and are overjoyed.

Meanwhile, Team Rocket discover that the hot spring is too hot for them to sit in, but the weather is too cold for them to get out. The episode ends with Team Rocket's usual "We're all washed up!" line.

==Major events==
{{animeevents}}

==Characters==
===Humans===
[[File:Dare da Snow Way Out.png|200px|thumb|right|{{tt|Dare da?|Who's That Pokémon?}}]]
* [[Ash Ketchum]]
* {{an|Brock}}
* {{an|Misty}}
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]

===Pokémon===
[[File:WTP Snow Way Out.png|200px|thumb|right|Who's That Pokémon?]]
[[Who's That Pokémon?]]: {{p|Muk}} (''US and international''), {{p|Pidgeotto}} (''Japan'')

* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Pidgeotto}} ({{OP|Ash|Pidgeotto}})
* {{p|Bulbasaur}} ({{OP|Ash|Bulbasaur}})
* {{p|Charmander}} ({{OP|Ash|Charmander}})
* {{p|Squirtle}} ({{OP|Ash|Squirtle}})
* {{p|Onix}} ({{OP|Brock|Onix}})
* {{p|Vulpix}} ({{OP|Brock|Vulpix}})

{{right clear}}

==Trivia==
* After the hiatus caused by [[EP038]], the show moved from Tuesday to Thursday. The original schedule was as follows:
{{Rescheduled episodes‎}}
* It was planned to be followed by a [[Clip show#Prime time clip shows|clip show]] summing up [[EP028]] to [[Holiday Hi-Jynx]], then planned as EP039, on its original airing.
* When episodes of the dub are aired in order, this episode and ''[[Holiday Hi-Jynx]]'' are placed between ''[[EP064|It's Mr. Mime Time]]'' and ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]'', as this is the point at which the episodes first aired in Japan. This causes confusion from viewers due to Ash using Charmander instead of Charizard and Misty still having her Starmie and Horsea. Canonically, these episodes go either directly before or directly after ''[[EP039|Pikachu's Goodbye]]''.
** Due to not airing when initially intended, it is considered by Bulbapedia to be a [[List of anime specials|special episode]].
* The dub episode title is a pun of the phrase "no way out".
* {{smw|Snow Way Out}} is also the name of a {{smw|Mario Party 8}} minigame.
* This is one of the few episodes where Ash orders Pikachu into a Poké Ball. Though he doesn't succeed as usual, the fact that he tried is unusual.
* This is also the first episode where a previously captured Pokémon, other than [[Wobbuffet]] and Psyduck, forces its way out of a Poké Ball. Charmander, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, and Pidgeotto all exit their Poké Balls to keep Ash warm throughout the night.
* This episode is featured on ''Volume 9: Charmander'' from [[Viz Media]]'s {{OBP|Pokémon All-Stars|Region 1}} series.
* The [[Pokémon Junior]] book, "[[A Pokémon Snow-Down]]" was based on this episode.
* Pikachu did a Mimicry of {{an|Brock}} in this episode.
* Parts of this episode were reanimated and used for flashback material for ''[[BW116|The Fires of a Red-Hot Reunion]]''.

===Errors===
* When James is holding Meowth and they are shivering, Meowth's feet don't have the orange tips.
** Shortly after, Meowth's forepaws are entirely orange.

===Dub edits===
* Jessie's caretaker is referred to as her mother in the dub.
* The igloo scene was heavily edited. There is a scene cut of Meowth lighting candles with a match while Jessie explains how good the snow-rolls were, and all the shots of Meowth and Jessie holding matches in the igloo scene were painted out and replaced with candles. Altogether, 24 seconds were cut from this scene.

==In other languages==
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|hu={{tt|Az nagy behavazás|The Big Snowfall}}
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|ro={{tt|Calea Înzăpezită Către Afară|The Way Covered with Snow to the Outside}}
|hi={{tt|बर्फ में फस गए!|Stuck in the Snow!}} {{tt|*|Hungama dub}}
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Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs/Archive 1

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Valehd: /* Kurusu = Daikenki/Samurott? */

== Name ==

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type? {{unsigned|Zeta}}

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

== Article ==

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

==Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds?==
[[File:183Marill.png|150px]][[File:Alpha honouguma.png|150px]][[File:025Pikachu.png|150px]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Most likely not since in that same picture one can see Tyranitar and other beta-Pokemon most likely from Gen II. As ar as I know it's a cover of a magazine that was suppose to report about the next Generation of Pokemon (or at least about plans). [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 06:46, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
::I have the magazine in question. Unfortunately, there is no information on Gold/Silver within. The only indication of them is the cover itself. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Hmmm... Most likely it's still not about Gen I Pokemon since it's from 1997... It could've been a "hint" of new games in development. [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 06:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Turtle ==

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hellooo anyone care to comment?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::That's just speculation, we don't know that. And its not like Shellos and Gastordon, which were saved for the next generation, there is a 3 Generation (and 10 year) difference. Also, the artwork we currently have doesn't show the whole Pokemon, so untill we have that, we can't really speculate about this (if someone knows where to find the original, non-cropped artwork, please post it). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::someone on the resembles thread says they have it.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, I spotted that yesterday, I've posted a comment on their talk page, but thanks for mentioning that anyway. Still no reply though :( If it turns out to be a dead end, I might look around the web myself, though where to find a reliable, non-fan-created picture is the problem. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:okay then that makes sense--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be better to have a separate list for "Non-Pokémon" creatures and keep this entry specifically about Unreleased or beta Pokémon '''As they are ment to appear in the games'''. Anime only stuff hardly counts. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 23:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::While I disagree with your ''Anime only stuff hardly counts'' comment, as the anime is often used to showcase unreleased Pokemon (like Togepi, the gold Ho-Oh in EP001, or possibly the bear with a rather striking resemblance to Honoguma in EP072), the seperate list doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Though I would prefer the name '''List of disputed Pokemon''' or something along those lines, as there is already a list for [[animals|non-Pokemon]]. This page would need to be renamed to reflect the change, unless the list would simply be a new section on this page? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Then I wonder why [[Zapmolcuno]] isn't here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I was refraining from adding it, incase everything was to be moved around. Same goes for [[Venustoise]], the unreleased Unown forms seen in [[M03]], the Sun and the Fairy seen in the book of Legendary Pokemon in [[M03]], the wooden Celebi seen in [[M04]], and the creature attacking Alto Mare at the start of [[M05]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we really should keep this page for Pokémon artwork that's explicitly "beta". Anime appearences of "non-Pokémon" should really go to a different page. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that We should add the ones mentioned above as they are ''presumably'' pokémon and I think we should add a section for pokemon appearing only in the manga that have no natural explanation such as Zapmolcuno and the manga dialga/palkia fusion statue at eterna city (there is a picture of it on the eterna city talk page).--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:they should be added, but for now, you can add them to this page
:[[User:Vuvuzela2010/Disputed Pokémon]]
:'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Kurusu = Daikenki/Samurott? ==

Does anybody here see a resemblance between the unreleased Kurusu and the 5th-Gen Samurott/Daikenki?

[[File:Alpha kurusu.png|300px|Kurusu]]

[[File:503Samurott.png|300px|Samurott]]
--[[User:Bad Grim|Bad Grim]] 04:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Um..... No. They're vaguely the same shape and that's it. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I see it... Quadrupeds, probably water-type, maybe a very old possibility for Oshawott?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The similarity is as obvious as between Honoguma, Pikachu/Raichu and Marill... [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 06:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

OOH OOH OOH OOH I SEE IT --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 01:42, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

==Bellossom? Jynx?==
If Bellossom is on here for a color change, shouldn't Jynx be as well? To be honest I feel like Bellossom being on here is a little sketchy since the dark blue coloring was obviously released. However, if Bellossom is valid, Jynx should be on here too, right? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 03:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:No. Jynx was originally black and released as black coloured, but it was changed along the course of the franchise. While Bellossom was previewed to be dark blue, but was changed to a green colour before release.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
::But wasn't this official GSC artwork? Why is that considered before release? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== More unreleased Pokemon - Japanese translation needed ==

In the Capsule Monsters sketches, [http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3897/pkmn1285890995744.jpg one shows two unreleased Pokemon, with their numbers and possibly Pokedex entries]. Can someone please translate this? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
:The bug is Papyō and the cat is Buhī.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8a/Pokemon_conceptart.jpg And here's three new Pokés:] the lizard is '''Godzillante''', the ape is '''Gorillaimo''' and the Dragon is '''Dragon4'''.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for that! I've added them all in now. Do you know what the text entries next to those five Pokemon say? It looks like it could be a Pokedex entry, or maybe it says what type they are? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I can't really translate Japanese text; I mainly just romanize katakana and hiragana.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I'd personally make a separate section, or maybe even separate article for Capsule Monsters. They deserve a special place! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Well, we do have [[Capsule Monsters]]. This is basically just an extension of that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So, I'd rather add them there or start a new article "List of known Capsule Monsters" or something like that. I don't think that the prototypes of Pokemon and scrapped Pokemon designs invented later should belong together. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, I agree. They are two different things. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Moving to Prototype Pokemon and characters... ==

I'd like to suggest that this article be moved to "Prototype Pokémon and characters". Not only does this article list things that have been unreleased, but it also lists Pokemon whose designs had simply been alerted, and are therefore still technically released. "Prototype" can easily refer to both kinds, so I'd like to suggest that the article be moved to that. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 19:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
: I concur ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::Because half of this page is "altered", not "unreleased", I think the more universal term "prototype" is better suited. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 06:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::First, I think that early Capsule Monsters should be covered separately and things like Bellossom should be deleted. It doesn't fit here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::::Even if a listing of Capsule Monsters do get their own page, there's still other kinds of Pokemon designs that were still simply alerted, like those Gen II alters. There's still a reason for this to be called "Prototype Pokémon and characters". [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 20:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Why should Bellossom be deleted? It was altered before release, and is relevant to the article. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, I would support the move. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, the artwork with purple Bellossom is its actual GS artwork (a final thing, not an early sketch like the rest). So, it's not really unreleased. At the same logic, we should also add Slowpoke here because it had a stripped belly in the original GSC. Many Pokemon has been given cosmetic design changes over the generations and it's really hard to call their older designs "prototype". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
[[File:1999 Bellossom Artwork.png|thumb|right]]
:The Bellossom artwork was like that years before G/S were released, they just never bothered changing it. And Slowpoke is hardly the same, that was just a sprite error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 09:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::Sprite error? "Error" implies accident. This doesn't look like an accident. There's no artwork from that era which contradicts that "error", hence no proof that it's an error. And the fact that Bellossom's artwork wasn't changed means that it's to be treated as a final thing. And compared to the other prototypes we have, it's a really minor change. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I support the move: I just think that a word better than prototype could be chose. It sounds too mechanical. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::::In response to the Bellossom point. The alterations to Bellossom are the same as those that Jynx undertook. They were both one color-scheme up until some time after their release, and then they were both changed post-release. If one should be included here then so should the other I would think. Thanks. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Error does not always mean accidental, it can also mean they screwed it up. A good example is the 'upside down' Koffing from Red and Blue (or any other sprite from Red/Green/Blue), obviously intentional. And Slowpoke's striped belly has not been seen in the anime, TCG, or any other media, even though it should be partially visible in [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SabrinaSlowpokeGymHeroes95.jpg its TCG artwork] and [http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html its Ken Suginori Bandai artwork].
:::::Also, Jynx does not count, since it ''was'' released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:28, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about Jynx, I got confused about the Bellossom artwork not changing. Slowpoke's striped belly can be seen in the Bandai artwork for Aerodactyl: http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 05:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
::That's like saying that Charmander was 'prototype' because it once had spikes on its back. Ken Sugimori's early art had a lot of things depicted that were either changed or remove in subsequent games. Likewise with in-game sprites, such as the GRB Machamp with spikes on its head. But in all honesty, this section is supposed to be for discussion on whether this article should be moved, NOT whether Bellossum or Slowpoke was prototype. Can someone please split this up? [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 06:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Noted, I've moved it to the section below. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Er, no. This wasn't split up. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 01:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

== Palette changes ==

Rather than just delete, lets harness the power of the talk page. Should altered palettes, like those found below, be included in the altered Pokémon section? ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Wynaut
|type1=Psychic
|img=Beta Wynaut.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Wynaut (Pokémon)}}[[File:360Wynaut.png|170px|right]] Pre-release screenshots of Wynaut show that it was going to be green in color rather than blue.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, it was colored purple instead of brown and its stripes were mirrored. However, this was not long-lived, as it was changed to its current appearance in the next video.}}
:Both are video quality's fault. When the screenshot of Wynaut surfaced, we have already had its artwork revealed and it looked just like now, so there was never a design change. And this Excadrill was extracted from a very low-quality video. Actually, all colors on this video are off. Even Haxorus is greenish yellow. That's nothing more than a matter of quality. All high quality versions of the same video had correct colors. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry to blend in the conversation, but how about Excadrill's belly pattern? That can't be a quality error, can it? [[User:TyraniThrone|Tyrani]][[User talk:TyraniThrone|Throne]] 11:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:::My view is, it would probably be better to include those with minor alterations, such as Exadrill and Tyranitar, in a ''Minor alterations'' subsection. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Does anyone know the exact date when Bellossom's GS artwork was released? If it was after its first anime appearance (where it was green), it could be worth mentioning the contradiction. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== Buizel ==

I remember I saw once a scan of a magazine released before the release of D&P showing a black siloutte of Buizel with two "collars" instead of one. If I find it again may this added to this page? Also the Unnamed turtle actually have legs, it isn't "just a head sticking out of a shell". --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 16:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

== Altered human designs ==

There's a template for Altered Pokemon Designs, so why not for the humans? I can think of a few who received design overhauls.. As said Silver's hair was shorter in the concept art, Kris seems to have gotten a design overhaul from the beta to the main product, and that seems to be Red in the Capsule Monster sketches. [[User:Dia Sprite|Dia Sprite]] 23:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

== Who are this Pokemon? ==

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3706/45234089orgv1315354262.jpg

Seriously... Who? I thought the fish was Basculin but the name does not match, then we have that... Siloutte thing next to Deerling that does not match any of the forms of neither Deerling or Sawsbuck, Alomomola design is noticeable different (and shares traits with Luvdisc: Shape, "blush sticker" and mouth, I think it was once planned to be an evolution) and Pansage is fat.

I also noticed the battle sprites are similar to those of Generation IV, same half-body back-sprites.

Found [http://photozou.jp/photo/show/761853/45234089 here]. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:That image was a hoax from the Japanese Black and White pre-release period. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 09:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:: Oh derp, thanks. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

== Additions ==

Here's a [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chickasaurus whole bunch of stuff to add] for someone who has the time to add it in. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:I plan on adding these soon. They supposedly originated on Game Freak's blog in one of the archived posts, though I wasn't able to find it; I read about it as a recent addition on the Japanese Pokémon Wiki, and I believe its been [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1970/30491/index6.html considered] before about adding these when SmearglePaints ({{user|Redstar}}) brought it up on the forums last year.

:There is a [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html Japanese website] focusing on lost Pokémon which hosts that artwork and has further information about more Generation II lost Pokémon other than the three 'starters' and variations (namely 'Akua', 'Akueria', 'Netamon' and 'Elekingu') which were apparently seen in the [[Nintendo World|Nintendo Space World 1997]] demo but had only their names shown. The Japanese Pokémon Wiki also had these and more variations which none of the other sources mention, though I don't know of the validity. I uploaded the Japanese Pokémon Blue artwork because of some of the ambiguous designs, I don't know if they should count though. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 20:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

::The recent images added are fan drawings, not official artwork of any kind. As such they should be removed. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 02:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh ok, is that right? I'm wondering then where the author ([http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html ボツポケモン応援隊]) originally got the concept from. I know of some [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 sprites of them] but I'm unsure of their legitimacy. I heard that these Pokémon were shown on Game Freak's website but I haven't been able to find an archived version of the original page yet. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::::The sprite sheet is fully legitimate. I'd have to ask my friend the exact place it was found, which provided information on when they were secured, but I'd say there's enough sources to indicate this as a legitimate find. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Pocket Monsters Blue designs ==

"Near the bottom right is a Pokémon face, possibly based on Nidorino." It looks like Pidgeotto to me--[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 18:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not that one...the one to the left and up. '''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/LimeGreenCharizard|♂]] 19:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Now I see, thank you. At first it looked like Venomoth to me, but it's surely Nidorino (or at least Nidoran♂) --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 20:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== Some early designs ==

Early artwork on the pocket monsters cardass trading cards page shows a pikachu with a white belly and large execute with small ones the designs are the same as what they looked like in there red blue and green sprites so i think they should be on this page because the kakuna and rhyhorn with the same story are on there. Also there is a graveler with golden fingures on that page too.
[[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 04:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:Someone should probably add the Carddass Charmander and the early back sprites for him, since the card shows his now-unexistant ridges down his back.[[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 09:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh yes i never noticed him i saw that the ones i requested where added but have now been removed why? {{unsigned|Kybett98}}

== Unnamed Turtle ==

I think the unnamed turtle could be a Pokémon with no roots in any other Pokémon, meaning it was originally going to be a seperate Pokémon but was completely scrapped, and perhaps it was related to Kurusu. Can anyone shoot me down with fact?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

== Even more designs ==

Recently, this year [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 users on TGBUS] revealed a few more designs, and annotated some of the existing ones in English e.g. "The inside of a hotel. You can see a device for healing your Pokémon inside". I've seen the former sprites (below) on 2chan, but was unsure of its legitimacy, since its marked December 1997. It would be most appreciated if someone could translate it. I have heard that Nyosuka and others were mentioned once on Gamefreak's official Japanese website, but I can't find the original page and I'm unsure if images of them were ever officially revealed. Sorry, if that's a lot to ask for though.
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600533674699a45d777f6.jpg Sprites]
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600397a98e2b81ee3b0b7.jpg Kabīn] --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:The sprite list featuring the early designs for the Poliwhirl, Weedle and Dratini lines are indeed official. A friend of mine discovered them several months ago on a blog by someone who salvaged them back in 1999. My friend also has an English translation for the text seen within the image. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 06:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::Do you mean this [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/page/1 blog]? I came across it later last Wednesday when doing an image search of the artwork. I once saw the images on 2chan, but I thought they were probably fake and confused them with the fan artwork on [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html The Lost Pokémon]. The [http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E6%B2%A1%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%81%AE%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7 Japanese Pokémon Wiki] seems to reaffirm information about them originating from Game Freak's website as well. I actually posted for a translation request on [http://jul.rustedlogic.net/thread.php?id=11437&page=15#375860 Jul] last October but never got anything back. That's great to hear that your friend took the time to translate it! Do you have a link to the translated version? --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 07:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, that blog is run by the same friend who discovered the sheet. The Lost Pokemon site (an affiliate of the RCB site and a correspondence of mine) had info on the sprites for awhile and we're actively looking for them. Because of them I went on the chase, but my friend was able to turn them up herself after I had given up. The Lost Pokemon then discovered themselves just a few weeks or months afterwards, so they get credit for spreading it on the Japanese side of things.

:::I've just had my friend provide the translation. Find it [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/12592876977/wimscoot-piratekingatomsk here]. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Thank you and wimscoot so much for this! I've gathered some thoughts on why it might say "Pokémon 2" even though the designs don't seem to belong to [[Generation II]] but I realize that here isn't a good place to speculate about this. What is your username on Bulbagarden Forums? (I'm Torchickens) I also apologize for the relatively late reply. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 17:31, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

== Stunfisk ==

Beta Version from Stunfisk [http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=4142]??? --Altruis 17:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:That was from the Nintendo Dream interview, and it is most likely true, so it should be added. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 17:46, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

==Game-on Exhibition==
It may be old news, but for those asking for references, I took pictures from this long-running exhibition called Game On. It had some concept works on some game franchises and Pokémon was one of them. [http://www.barbican.org.uk/bie/exhibitions/game-on Check here for info on the expo.] There were some Ruby/Sapphire sketches there, such as the Torchic with floppy ears [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01532.jpg Torchic with floppy ears], the Treecko sketches [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01528.jpg (maybe a little clearer here)] and [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01529.jpg the Blaziken/Latias one]. There were also this [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01530.jpg other sketch of a floppy-eared Torchic] and this [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01533.jpg early Groudon sketch]. [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 03:21, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

:I went to the expo again today and tried to get some better photos of the art. I'll try to upload them to Bulbagaren Archives and add them to the articles. [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 02:28, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:: Where is this geographically?[[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 02:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Those are of most interest. If it happens to be there tomorrow do you plan to try to take a picture of all Pokemon sketches that you can? Also nice to hear you took more photos today. The beta Treecko looked like it had a bit of a Grovyle look to it on the arms. Salamence didn't look much different. Wonder why Torchic had the most redos, a floppy eared, then chubby floppy ears, interesting. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:34, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::::It goes around the world since 2002, always adding some new stuff to it. Right now, the expo is in Brasilia, Brazil.
I uploaded the pictures to Bulbagarden Archives. Torchic's [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Torchic_Beta.jpg]] and Latiken's [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Latias_Blaziken.jpg]] were added to the articles already, substituting the old ones. Treecko's [[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Treecko_Beta.jpg]] (it wouldn't let me substitute the old one, so I just uploaded it separately and didn't change the article), Groudon's [[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Groudon_Beta.jpg]] and Torchic's other concept art [[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Torchic_Beta2.jpg]] were only uploaded, but not added to any of the articles. Someone please do it for me. xD [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 03:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
: Excellent then. As for replacing the old images, I can see doing so for the Torchic but not the others at the moment. The new Torchic image you uploaded is great though since it is closer and higher quality, thanks for uploading the image. :) [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::Ah as for the Treecko image, click on it, the click description page under the image which is in bold. Log in on the archives if not already and scroll down, click on upload new version of this file. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I did that for the Treecko picture, but it said it had some trouble cause the old picture is a png file and the new one is a jpg. Even after I tried converting the new pic to png, it wouldn't accept. (Nevermind, it worked now. lol) [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 04:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::::I see the Groundon image has been uploaded but where would the image go? Prototype or Minor Alterations? [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 01:01, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::I believe "Minor alterations" would be more accurate, as it basically remained the same, except for those marks it shares with Kyogre and Rayquaza (at least that's the only thing I noticed). [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 01:19, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

== More designs ==

I found [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/ this site] and it appears to have lots of legit designs that we're missing around here, despite being mixed up with fanart and fakes. But are the apparently legit ones really legit? Please discuss these findings. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 16:41, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

:Hehe, I've heard of this. There's this deviantArt group called TheLostPokemon, which is for the Pokemon in this article. The stuff's pretty legit (though I'd still want to check out the blog). A lot of the members of the group are artists, so their artwork is probably on the blog. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 22:59, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
::I run the dA group while my friend runs the tumblr blog. I can assure you that any fanwork is stated to be such while actual concept/design artwork is legit. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 21:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== Unused girl on boxes? ==

The text about [[Prototype Pokémon and characters#Unreleased characters|this girl]] states "The image was shown on the boxes for the games" referring to the one that only her back is shown. I've checked {{tt|the Japanese box|the only one}} of Pokémon Green and didn't see the picture. Is this statement false? [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 05:10, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
:[http://www.gamefaqs.com/gameboy/367023-pokemon-red-version/images/box-68474 Apparently] so (I don't own the Japanese games, but I plan on getting them), and I still have all the English games from long ago, but unfortunately without any box inserts. According to the box data on GameFAQs, the artwork doesn't appear on the back of Japanese Blue or Yellow (Pocket Monsters Pikachu) either. Perhaps the user who added it was referring to the instruction booklet? It might be worth noting that there was an [http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/5541/1290018520523.jpg official strategy guide] for {{2v2|Red|Green}} featuring the artwork. It's also interesting how this guidebook credits Ape Inc, the predecessor of Creatures Inc. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 00:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

==fluffy torchic==
Am I the only one who instantly thought of Vullaby after seeing the fluffy torchic in the eggshell?[[User:Auragirl|Auragirl]] 04:08, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== The guy who looks like a gymleader ==

In the article it says he was probably a dark gymleader but to me he looks more like a ground or rock user because tyranitar is ground as well,the turtle looks like a rock type and the hitmontop thing has a creamy dirt color plus he is wearing a turban with a gemSTONE does anyone agree?And he might of been the original concept for the first gym leader since he has only 3 pokemon that again to me seem like ground thus continueing rock(ground) type first gym.[[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] 19:03, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
forget the first gym thing.[[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] 18:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
: Surely you meant [[Tyranitar]] is Rock/Dark-type. Anyways, it's only speculation that he's Dark-type Gym Leader (he could just have been a regular trainer), but his clothes and hair style refer to dark. Also, he most likely was not the first Gym Leader as most Gym Leaders encountered first have two Pokemon (only Roark has three). It could also be noted that some Gym Leaders have Pokémon that are not of their speciality type (namely [[Volkner]] and [[Cilan]], [[Chili]] and [[Cress]]) and Rock-type specialists other than Roark generally have very little in their appearance to connect with their speciality type, plus in final product all Johto Gyms specialized in types that were not present in Kanto, at which time it would've been odd to use Gyms that "had been" there before (like Rock or Ground Gyms). I also can't picture the polypod Pokemon as a Rock-type. [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 12:21, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

== Thundurus and Tornadus color change ==

It's stated Troh's and Sawk's horns were removed because Thundurus and Tornadus were blue and red, but they had later there color changed. So, why don't they get a place on this page? Maybe they can share there column with Troh and Sawk... [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 12:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

== Cries ==

I attempted to post this as a comment on the YouTube video, but of course the stupid piece of shit excuse for a website kept giving me an "error try again" without any explanation. I guess this works just as well here anyways:

I've researched these cries for a while now and I hate how everyone keeps saying MissingNo. 0x45 sounds like Crobat or Golbat. Of course it does, because it is an *exact* copy of Zubat's cry. I'm following the same conclusion as everyone else (I hope it really way Crobat), but no one ever seems to realize that it isn't just similar to Zubat, it's exact. This also applies to MissingNo. 0x89 being an *exact* copy of Dragonair.

P.S. My notes: http://pastebin.com/yCry6qce -- [[User:Stag019|Stag019]] ([[User talk:Stag019|talk]]) 19:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

== Shopkeeper? ==

Looking at the image I'm quite curious as to what the embryo thing is. Is it possibly a Pokemon or something? Also is it possible the creature in the cage to the left is an earlier version and possibly smaller version of Slowbro? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 18:57, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:The embro thing does appear to be a Pokémon, but I don't know what though. The thing in the cage does appear to be a early version of Slowbro. I think it probably would be a good idea to wait for some more opinions about that though, or just add it. [[User:Lady Ariel|Lady Ariel]] ([[User talk:Lady Ariel|talk]]) 20:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
::I think I shall wait for a few more opinions before adding that Slowbro bit. Just to make sure it is possible that it might be an early version. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 20:39, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:::I dunno about Slowbro but the 'embryo' is probably a small Water Pokémon. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 01:38, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

== It seems that Kage No Mushi is a fake ==

[http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/47524002079/open-for-debate-removing-kage-no-mushi This Tumblr post] claims that the Pokémon may indeed be a fake made by one of the blog owner's friends. In fact, as a response to [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/47524532246/hfc2x-answered-your-question-open-for-debate my answer], the owner said that Bulbapedia did take all the info on that Pokémon from that blog.
Is this correct? If so, we should remove it from the list right away. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:57, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Removed it from the list. --[[User:Relicant|Relicant]] ([[User talk:Relicant|talk]]) 16:58, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Kazeniga and Rokku ==

In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU7M5KAfYWA), there seems to be two Pokemon, (Kazeniga and Rokku) in the vein of Gorillaimo and Godzillante. Should we add them? [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] ([[User talk:Jdrawer|talk]]) 21:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

== Munna in Generation 1? ==

Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, didn't an NPC near [[Rock Tunnel]] mention seeing a pink Pokémon with flowers on it in the cave? If they did, then that would mean {{p|Munna}}'s origin dates as far back as [[Generation I]]. If all of this is true, should I add it onto the page? I can also look for an image that details the Munna in the game. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] ([[User talk:Pokedex493|talk]]) 19:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
:Correction, they were actually talking about the fact that there should be and I quote, 'a pink one with a floral pattern.' The link to the picture is [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/image/12834082074]. I apologize for the profanity in the name. This is where I found the pic. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] ([[User talk:Pokedex493|talk]]) 19:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

== Who is that bug pokemon? ==

Hello There. ''WHO'' IS that bug pokemon:
http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/9/9e/Unknown_bug_pokemon.png
--[[User:Cool Sam|Cool Sam]] ([[User talk:Cool Sam|talk]]) 16:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:My first reaction is it looks like the old 'scrubbing bubbles' mascot used by Dow cleaning agent. --[[User:GARY-DOS|GARY-DOS]] ([[User talk:GARY-DOS|talk]]) 07:14, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Shopkeeper ==

Since the similarity to the sumo character from Quinty/Mendel Palace is noted, wouldn't it also be worth noting alongside that there is an unused sprite which appears in the Gen III games which is presumably[http://tcrf.net/Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire#Unused_overworld_sprite] a redesign of a sprite of the same character? --[[User:GARY-DOS|GARY-DOS]] ([[User talk:GARY-DOS|talk]]) 18:55, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Split ==

Unused cries only belong in the development leftover articles. The designs of Pokémon and characters can be mentioned in the Development section of the game articles. [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 23:44, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

== Kabiin ==

I remember, when I first saw this one in "A Man who Created Pokemon," I was certain that it was a playful reference to Kirby. But now I can't locate my copy of the book, so I don't know if there's a date on these thumbnail sketches that would disprove this theory (ie. if these are sketches from around 1989-1990, the Kirby reference is unlikely). Does anyone have any info to help, maybe have the book on hand to check? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:10, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
:I have the book too (the 'cards' cover and not the Pulseman cover). However, I unfortunately cannot find a date. I'm afraid. Here is [http://minus.com/i/XgRc7ydCX1Uh a scan] of the page. Additionally I thought it would be worth noting that on page 293 with the monster coming out of the capsule, the page says "Monster Capsule TM" ポータブルモンスターカプセル PCM-55R $198 00, I don't know if those people who did high resolution scans (from Blue Reflections?) of the concept art showed us that. [[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 15:47, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

== some other wierd pokemon ==

if one looks closely at the treecko picture, they will see that there is a different pokemon partially erased (problably) --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 01:34, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs/Archive 1

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== Name ==

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type? {{unsigned|Zeta}}

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

== Article ==

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

==Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds?==
[[File:183Marill.png|150px]][[File:Alpha honouguma.png|150px]][[File:025Pikachu.png|150px]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Most likely not since in that same picture one can see Tyranitar and other beta-Pokemon most likely from Gen II. As ar as I know it's a cover of a magazine that was suppose to report about the next Generation of Pokemon (or at least about plans). [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 06:46, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
::I have the magazine in question. Unfortunately, there is no information on Gold/Silver within. The only indication of them is the cover itself. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Hmmm... Most likely it's still not about Gen I Pokemon since it's from 1997... It could've been a "hint" of new games in development. [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 06:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Turtle ==

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hellooo anyone care to comment?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::That's just speculation, we don't know that. And its not like Shellos and Gastordon, which were saved for the next generation, there is a 3 Generation (and 10 year) difference. Also, the artwork we currently have doesn't show the whole Pokemon, so untill we have that, we can't really speculate about this (if someone knows where to find the original, non-cropped artwork, please post it). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::someone on the resembles thread says they have it.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, I spotted that yesterday, I've posted a comment on their talk page, but thanks for mentioning that anyway. Still no reply though :( If it turns out to be a dead end, I might look around the web myself, though where to find a reliable, non-fan-created picture is the problem. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:okay then that makes sense--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be better to have a separate list for "Non-Pokémon" creatures and keep this entry specifically about Unreleased or beta Pokémon '''As they are ment to appear in the games'''. Anime only stuff hardly counts. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 23:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::While I disagree with your ''Anime only stuff hardly counts'' comment, as the anime is often used to showcase unreleased Pokemon (like Togepi, the gold Ho-Oh in EP001, or possibly the bear with a rather striking resemblance to Honoguma in EP072), the seperate list doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Though I would prefer the name '''List of disputed Pokemon''' or something along those lines, as there is already a list for [[animals|non-Pokemon]]. This page would need to be renamed to reflect the change, unless the list would simply be a new section on this page? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Then I wonder why [[Zapmolcuno]] isn't here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I was refraining from adding it, incase everything was to be moved around. Same goes for [[Venustoise]], the unreleased Unown forms seen in [[M03]], the Sun and the Fairy seen in the book of Legendary Pokemon in [[M03]], the wooden Celebi seen in [[M04]], and the creature attacking Alto Mare at the start of [[M05]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we really should keep this page for Pokémon artwork that's explicitly "beta". Anime appearences of "non-Pokémon" should really go to a different page. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that We should add the ones mentioned above as they are ''presumably'' pokémon and I think we should add a section for pokemon appearing only in the manga that have no natural explanation such as Zapmolcuno and the manga dialga/palkia fusion statue at eterna city (there is a picture of it on the eterna city talk page).--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:they should be added, but for now, you can add them to this page
:[[User:Vuvuzela2010/Disputed Pokémon]]
:'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

== Kurusu = Daikenki/Samurott? ==

Does anybody here see a resemblance between the unreleased Kurusu and the 5th-Gen Samurott/Daikenki?

[[File:Alpha kurusu.png|300px|Kurusu]]

[[File:503Samurott.png|300px|Samurott]]
--[[User:Bad Grim|Bad Grim]] 04:52, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Um..... No. They're vaguely the same shape and that's it. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I see it... Quadrupeds, probably water-type, maybe a very old possibility for Oshawott?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The similarity is as obvious as between Honoguma, Pikachu/Raichu and Marill... [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 06:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

==Bellossom? Jynx?==
If Bellossom is on here for a color change, shouldn't Jynx be as well? To be honest I feel like Bellossom being on here is a little sketchy since the dark blue coloring was obviously released. However, if Bellossom is valid, Jynx should be on here too, right? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 03:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:No. Jynx was originally black and released as black coloured, but it was changed along the course of the franchise. While Bellossom was previewed to be dark blue, but was changed to a green colour before release.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
::But wasn't this official GSC artwork? Why is that considered before release? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 04:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== More unreleased Pokemon - Japanese translation needed ==

In the Capsule Monsters sketches, [http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/3897/pkmn1285890995744.jpg one shows two unreleased Pokemon, with their numbers and possibly Pokedex entries]. Can someone please translate this? {{unsigned|Vuvuzela2010}}
:The bug is Papyō and the cat is Buhī.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/8a/Pokemon_conceptart.jpg And here's three new Pokés:] the lizard is '''Godzillante''', the ape is '''Gorillaimo''' and the Dragon is '''Dragon4'''.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Thanks for that! I've added them all in now. Do you know what the text entries next to those five Pokemon say? It looks like it could be a Pokedex entry, or maybe it says what type they are? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I can't really translate Japanese text; I mainly just romanize katakana and hiragana.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I'd personally make a separate section, or maybe even separate article for Capsule Monsters. They deserve a special place! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Well, we do have [[Capsule Monsters]]. This is basically just an extension of that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::So, I'd rather add them there or start a new article "List of known Capsule Monsters" or something like that. I don't think that the prototypes of Pokemon and scrapped Pokemon designs invented later should belong together. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, I agree. They are two different things. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Moving to Prototype Pokemon and characters... ==

I'd like to suggest that this article be moved to "Prototype Pokémon and characters". Not only does this article list things that have been unreleased, but it also lists Pokemon whose designs had simply been alerted, and are therefore still technically released. "Prototype" can easily refer to both kinds, so I'd like to suggest that the article be moved to that. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 19:49, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
: I concur ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 02:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::Because half of this page is "altered", not "unreleased", I think the more universal term "prototype" is better suited. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 06:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::First, I think that early Capsule Monsters should be covered separately and things like Bellossom should be deleted. It doesn't fit here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

::::Even if a listing of Capsule Monsters do get their own page, there's still other kinds of Pokemon designs that were still simply alerted, like those Gen II alters. There's still a reason for this to be called "Prototype Pokémon and characters". [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 20:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Why should Bellossom be deleted? It was altered before release, and is relevant to the article. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Also, I would support the move. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, the artwork with purple Bellossom is its actual GS artwork (a final thing, not an early sketch like the rest). So, it's not really unreleased. At the same logic, we should also add Slowpoke here because it had a stripped belly in the original GSC. Many Pokemon has been given cosmetic design changes over the generations and it's really hard to call their older designs "prototype". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
[[File:1999 Bellossom Artwork.png|thumb|right]]
:The Bellossom artwork was like that years before G/S were released, they just never bothered changing it. And Slowpoke is hardly the same, that was just a sprite error. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 09:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::Sprite error? "Error" implies accident. This doesn't look like an accident. There's no artwork from that era which contradicts that "error", hence no proof that it's an error. And the fact that Bellossom's artwork wasn't changed means that it's to be treated as a final thing. And compared to the other prototypes we have, it's a really minor change. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I support the move: I just think that a word better than prototype could be chose. It sounds too mechanical. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::::In response to the Bellossom point. The alterations to Bellossom are the same as those that Jynx undertook. They were both one color-scheme up until some time after their release, and then they were both changed post-release. If one should be included here then so should the other I would think. Thanks. ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Error does not always mean accidental, it can also mean they screwed it up. A good example is the 'upside down' Koffing from Red and Blue (or any other sprite from Red/Green/Blue), obviously intentional. And Slowpoke's striped belly has not been seen in the anime, TCG, or any other media, even though it should be partially visible in [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SabrinaSlowpokeGymHeroes95.jpg its TCG artwork] and [http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html its Ken Suginori Bandai artwork].
:::::Also, Jynx does not count, since it ''was'' released. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:28, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry about Jynx, I got confused about the Bellossom artwork not changing. Slowpoke's striped belly can be seen in the Bandai artwork for Aerodactyl: http://pkmncollectors.livejournal.com/3016560.html ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 05:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
::That's like saying that Charmander was 'prototype' because it once had spikes on its back. Ken Sugimori's early art had a lot of things depicted that were either changed or remove in subsequent games. Likewise with in-game sprites, such as the GRB Machamp with spikes on its head. But in all honesty, this section is supposed to be for discussion on whether this article should be moved, NOT whether Bellossum or Slowpoke was prototype. Can someone please split this up? [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 06:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Noted, I've moved it to the section below. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Er, no. This wasn't split up. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 01:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

== Palette changes ==

Rather than just delete, lets harness the power of the talk page. Should altered palettes, like those found below, be included in the altered Pokémon section? ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 20:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Wynaut
|type1=Psychic
|img=Beta Wynaut.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Wynaut (Pokémon)}}[[File:360Wynaut.png|170px|right]] Pre-release screenshots of Wynaut show that it was going to be green in color rather than blue.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, it was colored purple instead of brown and its stripes were mirrored. However, this was not long-lived, as it was changed to its current appearance in the next video.}}
:Both are video quality's fault. When the screenshot of Wynaut surfaced, we have already had its artwork revealed and it looked just like now, so there was never a design change. And this Excadrill was extracted from a very low-quality video. Actually, all colors on this video are off. Even Haxorus is greenish yellow. That's nothing more than a matter of quality. All high quality versions of the same video had correct colors. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry to blend in the conversation, but how about Excadrill's belly pattern? That can't be a quality error, can it? [[User:TyraniThrone|Tyrani]][[User talk:TyraniThrone|Throne]] 11:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:::My view is, it would probably be better to include those with minor alterations, such as Exadrill and Tyranitar, in a ''Minor alterations'' subsection. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 11:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Does anyone know the exact date when Bellossom's GS artwork was released? If it was after its first anime appearance (where it was green), it could be worth mentioning the contradiction. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== Buizel ==

I remember I saw once a scan of a magazine released before the release of D&P showing a black siloutte of Buizel with two "collars" instead of one. If I find it again may this added to this page? Also the Unnamed turtle actually have legs, it isn't "just a head sticking out of a shell". --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 16:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

== Altered human designs ==

There's a template for Altered Pokemon Designs, so why not for the humans? I can think of a few who received design overhauls.. As said Silver's hair was shorter in the concept art, Kris seems to have gotten a design overhaul from the beta to the main product, and that seems to be Red in the Capsule Monster sketches. [[User:Dia Sprite|Dia Sprite]] 23:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

== Who are this Pokemon? ==

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3706/45234089orgv1315354262.jpg

Seriously... Who? I thought the fish was Basculin but the name does not match, then we have that... Siloutte thing next to Deerling that does not match any of the forms of neither Deerling or Sawsbuck, Alomomola design is noticeable different (and shares traits with Luvdisc: Shape, "blush sticker" and mouth, I think it was once planned to be an evolution) and Pansage is fat.

I also noticed the battle sprites are similar to those of Generation IV, same half-body back-sprites.

Found [http://photozou.jp/photo/show/761853/45234089 here]. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:That image was a hoax from the Japanese Black and White pre-release period. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 09:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:: Oh derp, thanks. [[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 09:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

== Additions ==

Here's a [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Chickasaurus whole bunch of stuff to add] for someone who has the time to add it in. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Koffing (Pokémon)| ☠]] 19:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:I plan on adding these soon. They supposedly originated on Game Freak's blog in one of the archived posts, though I wasn't able to find it; I read about it as a recent addition on the Japanese Pokémon Wiki, and I believe its been [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/1970/30491/index6.html considered] before about adding these when SmearglePaints ({{user|Redstar}}) brought it up on the forums last year.

:There is a [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html Japanese website] focusing on lost Pokémon which hosts that artwork and has further information about more Generation II lost Pokémon other than the three 'starters' and variations (namely 'Akua', 'Akueria', 'Netamon' and 'Elekingu') which were apparently seen in the [[Nintendo World|Nintendo Space World 1997]] demo but had only their names shown. The Japanese Pokémon Wiki also had these and more variations which none of the other sources mention, though I don't know of the validity. I uploaded the Japanese Pokémon Blue artwork because of some of the ambiguous designs, I don't know if they should count though. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 20:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

::The recent images added are fan drawings, not official artwork of any kind. As such they should be removed. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 02:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh ok, is that right? I'm wondering then where the author ([http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html ボツポケモン応援隊]) originally got the concept from. I know of some [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 sprites of them] but I'm unsure of their legitimacy. I heard that these Pokémon were shown on Game Freak's website but I haven't been able to find an archived version of the original page yet. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::::The sprite sheet is fully legitimate. I'd have to ask my friend the exact place it was found, which provided information on when they were secured, but I'd say there's enough sources to indicate this as a legitimate find. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Pocket Monsters Blue designs ==

"Near the bottom right is a Pokémon face, possibly based on Nidorino." It looks like Pidgeotto to me--[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 18:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
:Not that one...the one to the left and up. '''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/LimeGreenCharizard|♂]] 19:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Now I see, thank you. At first it looked like Venomoth to me, but it's surely Nidorino (or at least Nidoran♂) --[[User:SamuStar|SamuStar]] 20:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

== Some early designs ==

Early artwork on the pocket monsters cardass trading cards page shows a pikachu with a white belly and large execute with small ones the designs are the same as what they looked like in there red blue and green sprites so i think they should be on this page because the kakuna and rhyhorn with the same story are on there. Also there is a graveler with golden fingures on that page too.
[[User:Kybett98|Kybett98]] 04:45, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:Someone should probably add the Carddass Charmander and the early back sprites for him, since the card shows his now-unexistant ridges down his back.[[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 09:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh yes i never noticed him i saw that the ones i requested where added but have now been removed why? {{unsigned|Kybett98}}

== Unnamed Turtle ==

I think the unnamed turtle could be a Pokémon with no roots in any other Pokémon, meaning it was originally going to be a seperate Pokémon but was completely scrapped, and perhaps it was related to Kurusu. Can anyone shoot me down with fact?
[[User:Shinyzubat123|Shinyzubat123]] 21:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

== Even more designs ==

Recently, this year [http://bbs.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?action=printable&tid=1932117 users on TGBUS] revealed a few more designs, and annotated some of the existing ones in English e.g. "The inside of a hotel. You can see a device for healing your Pokémon inside". I've seen the former sprites (below) on 2chan, but was unsure of its legitimacy, since its marked December 1997. It would be most appreciated if someone could translate it. I have heard that Nyosuka and others were mentioned once on Gamefreak's official Japanese website, but I can't find the original page and I'm unsure if images of them were ever officially revealed. Sorry, if that's a lot to ask for though.
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600533674699a45d777f6.jpg Sprites]
*[http://17woo.tgbusdata.cn/month_1101/11011600397a98e2b81ee3b0b7.jpg Kabīn] --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:The sprite list featuring the early designs for the Poliwhirl, Weedle and Dratini lines are indeed official. A friend of mine discovered them several months ago on a blog by someone who salvaged them back in 1999. My friend also has an English translation for the text seen within the image. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 06:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::Do you mean this [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/page/1 blog]? I came across it later last Wednesday when doing an image search of the artwork. I once saw the images on 2chan, but I thought they were probably fake and confused them with the fan artwork on [http://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/ir/poke4/trust.html The Lost Pokémon]. The [http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E6%B2%A1%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%81%AE%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7 Japanese Pokémon Wiki] seems to reaffirm information about them originating from Game Freak's website as well. I actually posted for a translation request on [http://jul.rustedlogic.net/thread.php?id=11437&page=15#375860 Jul] last October but never got anything back. That's great to hear that your friend took the time to translate it! Do you have a link to the translated version? --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 07:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, that blog is run by the same friend who discovered the sheet. The Lost Pokemon site (an affiliate of the RCB site and a correspondence of mine) had info on the sprites for awhile and we're actively looking for them. Because of them I went on the chase, but my friend was able to turn them up herself after I had given up. The Lost Pokemon then discovered themselves just a few weeks or months afterwards, so they get credit for spreading it on the Japanese side of things.

:::I've just had my friend provide the translation. Find it [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/12592876977/wimscoot-piratekingatomsk here]. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 08:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Thank you and wimscoot so much for this! I've gathered some thoughts on why it might say "Pokémon 2" even though the designs don't seem to belong to [[Generation II]] but I realize that here isn't a good place to speculate about this. What is your username on Bulbagarden Forums? (I'm Torchickens) I also apologize for the relatively late reply. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 17:31, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

== Stunfisk ==

Beta Version from Stunfisk [http://pokemonblackandwhite.net/?p=4142]??? --Altruis 17:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:That was from the Nintendo Dream interview, and it is most likely true, so it should be added. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 17:46, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

==Game-on Exhibition==
It may be old news, but for those asking for references, I took pictures from this long-running exhibition called Game On. It had some concept works on some game franchises and Pokémon was one of them. [http://www.barbican.org.uk/bie/exhibitions/game-on Check here for info on the expo.] There were some Ruby/Sapphire sketches there, such as the Torchic with floppy ears [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01532.jpg Torchic with floppy ears], the Treecko sketches [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01528.jpg (maybe a little clearer here)] and [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01529.jpg the Blaziken/Latias one]. There were also this [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01530.jpg other sketch of a floppy-eared Torchic] and this [http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g255/sfirah/DSC01533.jpg early Groudon sketch]. [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 03:21, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

:I went to the expo again today and tried to get some better photos of the art. I'll try to upload them to Bulbagaren Archives and add them to the articles. [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 02:28, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:: Where is this geographically?[[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 02:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Those are of most interest. If it happens to be there tomorrow do you plan to try to take a picture of all Pokemon sketches that you can? Also nice to hear you took more photos today. The beta Treecko looked like it had a bit of a Grovyle look to it on the arms. Salamence didn't look much different. Wonder why Torchic had the most redos, a floppy eared, then chubby floppy ears, interesting. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:34, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::::It goes around the world since 2002, always adding some new stuff to it. Right now, the expo is in Brasilia, Brazil.
I uploaded the pictures to Bulbagarden Archives. Torchic's [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Torchic_Beta.jpg]] and Latiken's [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Latias_Blaziken.jpg]] were added to the articles already, substituting the old ones. Treecko's [[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Treecko_Beta.jpg]] (it wouldn't let me substitute the old one, so I just uploaded it separately and didn't change the article), Groudon's [[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Groudon_Beta.jpg]] and Torchic's other concept art [[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Torchic_Beta2.jpg]] were only uploaded, but not added to any of the articles. Someone please do it for me. xD [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 03:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
: Excellent then. As for replacing the old images, I can see doing so for the Torchic but not the others at the moment. The new Torchic image you uploaded is great though since it is closer and higher quality, thanks for uploading the image. :) [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::Ah as for the Treecko image, click on it, the click description page under the image which is in bold. Log in on the archives if not already and scroll down, click on upload new version of this file. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I did that for the Treecko picture, but it said it had some trouble cause the old picture is a png file and the new one is a jpg. Even after I tried converting the new pic to png, it wouldn't accept. (Nevermind, it worked now. lol) [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 04:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::::I see the Groundon image has been uploaded but where would the image go? Prototype or Minor Alterations? [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 01:01, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::I believe "Minor alterations" would be more accurate, as it basically remained the same, except for those marks it shares with Kyogre and Rayquaza (at least that's the only thing I noticed). [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 01:19, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

== More designs ==

I found [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/ this site] and it appears to have lots of legit designs that we're missing around here, despite being mixed up with fanart and fakes. But are the apparently legit ones really legit? Please discuss these findings. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 16:41, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

:Hehe, I've heard of this. There's this deviantArt group called TheLostPokemon, which is for the Pokemon in this article. The stuff's pretty legit (though I'd still want to check out the blog). A lot of the members of the group are artists, so their artwork is probably on the blog. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 22:59, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
::I run the dA group while my friend runs the tumblr blog. I can assure you that any fanwork is stated to be such while actual concept/design artwork is legit. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 21:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== Unused girl on boxes? ==

The text about [[Prototype Pokémon and characters#Unreleased characters|this girl]] states "The image was shown on the boxes for the games" referring to the one that only her back is shown. I've checked {{tt|the Japanese box|the only one}} of Pokémon Green and didn't see the picture. Is this statement false? [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 05:10, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
:[http://www.gamefaqs.com/gameboy/367023-pokemon-red-version/images/box-68474 Apparently] so (I don't own the Japanese games, but I plan on getting them), and I still have all the English games from long ago, but unfortunately without any box inserts. According to the box data on GameFAQs, the artwork doesn't appear on the back of Japanese Blue or Yellow (Pocket Monsters Pikachu) either. Perhaps the user who added it was referring to the instruction booklet? It might be worth noting that there was an [http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/5541/1290018520523.jpg official strategy guide] for {{2v2|Red|Green}} featuring the artwork. It's also interesting how this guidebook credits Ape Inc, the predecessor of Creatures Inc. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 00:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

==fluffy torchic==
Am I the only one who instantly thought of Vullaby after seeing the fluffy torchic in the eggshell?[[User:Auragirl|Auragirl]] 04:08, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== The guy who looks like a gymleader ==

In the article it says he was probably a dark gymleader but to me he looks more like a ground or rock user because tyranitar is ground as well,the turtle looks like a rock type and the hitmontop thing has a creamy dirt color plus he is wearing a turban with a gemSTONE does anyone agree?And he might of been the original concept for the first gym leader since he has only 3 pokemon that again to me seem like ground thus continueing rock(ground) type first gym.[[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] 19:03, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
forget the first gym thing.[[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] 18:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
: Surely you meant [[Tyranitar]] is Rock/Dark-type. Anyways, it's only speculation that he's Dark-type Gym Leader (he could just have been a regular trainer), but his clothes and hair style refer to dark. Also, he most likely was not the first Gym Leader as most Gym Leaders encountered first have two Pokemon (only Roark has three). It could also be noted that some Gym Leaders have Pokémon that are not of their speciality type (namely [[Volkner]] and [[Cilan]], [[Chili]] and [[Cress]]) and Rock-type specialists other than Roark generally have very little in their appearance to connect with their speciality type, plus in final product all Johto Gyms specialized in types that were not present in Kanto, at which time it would've been odd to use Gyms that "had been" there before (like Rock or Ground Gyms). I also can't picture the polypod Pokemon as a Rock-type. [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 12:21, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

== Thundurus and Tornadus color change ==

It's stated Troh's and Sawk's horns were removed because Thundurus and Tornadus were blue and red, but they had later there color changed. So, why don't they get a place on this page? Maybe they can share there column with Troh and Sawk... [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 12:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

== Cries ==

I attempted to post this as a comment on the YouTube video, but of course the stupid piece of shit excuse for a website kept giving me an "error try again" without any explanation. I guess this works just as well here anyways:

I've researched these cries for a while now and I hate how everyone keeps saying MissingNo. 0x45 sounds like Crobat or Golbat. Of course it does, because it is an *exact* copy of Zubat's cry. I'm following the same conclusion as everyone else (I hope it really way Crobat), but no one ever seems to realize that it isn't just similar to Zubat, it's exact. This also applies to MissingNo. 0x89 being an *exact* copy of Dragonair.

P.S. My notes: http://pastebin.com/yCry6qce -- [[User:Stag019|Stag019]] ([[User talk:Stag019|talk]]) 19:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

== Shopkeeper? ==

Looking at the image I'm quite curious as to what the embryo thing is. Is it possibly a Pokemon or something? Also is it possible the creature in the cage to the left is an earlier version and possibly smaller version of Slowbro? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 18:57, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:The embro thing does appear to be a Pokémon, but I don't know what though. The thing in the cage does appear to be a early version of Slowbro. I think it probably would be a good idea to wait for some more opinions about that though, or just add it. [[User:Lady Ariel|Lady Ariel]] ([[User talk:Lady Ariel|talk]]) 20:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
::I think I shall wait for a few more opinions before adding that Slowbro bit. Just to make sure it is possible that it might be an early version. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 20:39, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:::I dunno about Slowbro but the 'embryo' is probably a small Water Pokémon. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 01:38, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

== It seems that Kage No Mushi is a fake ==

[http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/47524002079/open-for-debate-removing-kage-no-mushi This Tumblr post] claims that the Pokémon may indeed be a fake made by one of the blog owner's friends. In fact, as a response to [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/post/47524532246/hfc2x-answered-your-question-open-for-debate my answer], the owner said that Bulbapedia did take all the info on that Pokémon from that blog.
Is this correct? If so, we should remove it from the list right away. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:57, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Removed it from the list. --[[User:Relicant|Relicant]] ([[User talk:Relicant|talk]]) 16:58, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Kazeniga and Rokku ==

In this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU7M5KAfYWA), there seems to be two Pokemon, (Kazeniga and Rokku) in the vein of Gorillaimo and Godzillante. Should we add them? [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] ([[User talk:Jdrawer|talk]]) 21:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

== Munna in Generation 1? ==

Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, didn't an NPC near [[Rock Tunnel]] mention seeing a pink Pokémon with flowers on it in the cave? If they did, then that would mean {{p|Munna}}'s origin dates as far back as [[Generation I]]. If all of this is true, should I add it onto the page? I can also look for an image that details the Munna in the game. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] ([[User talk:Pokedex493|talk]]) 19:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
:Correction, they were actually talking about the fact that there should be and I quote, 'a pink one with a floral pattern.' The link to the picture is [http://fuckyeahbetapokemonart.tumblr.com/image/12834082074]. I apologize for the profanity in the name. This is where I found the pic. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] ([[User talk:Pokedex493|talk]]) 19:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

== Who is that bug pokemon? ==

Hello There. ''WHO'' IS that bug pokemon:
http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/9/9e/Unknown_bug_pokemon.png
--[[User:Cool Sam|Cool Sam]] ([[User talk:Cool Sam|talk]]) 16:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:My first reaction is it looks like the old 'scrubbing bubbles' mascot used by Dow cleaning agent. --[[User:GARY-DOS|GARY-DOS]] ([[User talk:GARY-DOS|talk]]) 07:14, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Shopkeeper ==

Since the similarity to the sumo character from Quinty/Mendel Palace is noted, wouldn't it also be worth noting alongside that there is an unused sprite which appears in the Gen III games which is presumably[http://tcrf.net/Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire#Unused_overworld_sprite] a redesign of a sprite of the same character? --[[User:GARY-DOS|GARY-DOS]] ([[User talk:GARY-DOS|talk]]) 18:55, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

== Split ==

Unused cries only belong in the development leftover articles. The designs of Pokémon and characters can be mentioned in the Development section of the game articles. [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 23:44, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

== Kabiin ==

I remember, when I first saw this one in "A Man who Created Pokemon," I was certain that it was a playful reference to Kirby. But now I can't locate my copy of the book, so I don't know if there's a date on these thumbnail sketches that would disprove this theory (ie. if these are sketches from around 1989-1990, the Kirby reference is unlikely). Does anyone have any info to help, maybe have the book on hand to check? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:10, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
:I have the book too (the 'cards' cover and not the Pulseman cover). However, I unfortunately cannot find a date. I'm afraid. Here is [http://minus.com/i/XgRc7ydCX1Uh a scan] of the page. Additionally I thought it would be worth noting that on page 293 with the monster coming out of the capsule, the page says "Monster Capsule TM" ポータブルモンスターカプセル PCM-55R $198 00, I don't know if those people who did high resolution scans (from Blue Reflections?) of the concept art showed us that. [[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 15:47, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

== some other wierd pokemon ==

if one looks closely at the treecko picture, they will see that there is a different pokemon partially erased (problably) --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 01:34, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

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== Battle judge ==

Nice article. Just remember that when you create pages you should link to them in other articles so that people can find them (and improve them!). If they don't get links they'll end up on [[Special:LonelyPages|this dungheap]]. Cheers, —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:It was late, trom. x_x That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Feeling Shipping ==

I have noticed no one made a Yellow and Green page yet.is it ok if i make one? {{unsigned|Rubybrendan}}
:Administrative note: moved here from Luna's talk archive —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== A question ==

Ah... hello. I have a question relating a shipping article that I started (sorry, did so without permission...) and was deleted by Magnedeth for reasons I don't quite understand; it doesn't help that no discussion items were left behind.

The ship is the SoulSilver one (Silver/Lyra), from HGSS. That one ship bothers me to no end, but I acknowledge that it's valid, so I thought it would be a good idea to start the article over at the shipping category, where I couldn't find it by that name (the only one I know for it), nor by checking the category for Silver nor HGSS pairings. And since over at the TV Tropes wiki it's no big deal for anybody to create an article, I went ahead with the idea, and let it remain a stub because it really is not my ship of choice.

Shortly thereafter, the article was deleted. I went to look at the Project Shipping page (...again; I had checked it before many times), which was the one I guessed was the relevant one for the case, and I kind of didn't find my article violating the rules, so I was left with just a question (OK, at last, this one goes for you): why was the article on the SoulSilverShipping deleted? --[[User:KayiR|KayiR]] 07:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

:It was deleted on the basis that the article would never be more than a stub, and all of its hints would be the same as Huntershipping. It would be like making an article for Clingyshipping (Barry/Lucas), NewRivalshipping (May/Wally) or Namelessshipping (Fire!Red/Blue) and expecting the article to be exceptionally different from (and not something that could be c/p'd to) an article on Conflictingshipping (Blue/Leaf), Loverivalshipping (Brendan/Wally), or a game!version only article of {{s|Twinleaf}}.
:Anything that could be said about SoulSilvershipping could be equally applied to Huntershipping; it's not exactly an exclusive 'ship in terms of its hints. And seeing as the opposite gender NPC doesn't crash into the rival at any point (save for the very beginning), the NPC cannot give an individual account of what they think of Silver, which takes even more individual hints away. The entire basis of either 'ship needs to come from Silver (you being the silent protag), and anything he says to Lyra is also the same thing he says to Ethan. So what's considered a hint for one must be considered a hint for the other. It'd be a pretty bias article, on that front. I'll think about if anything can be done in other ways for the couple, but as an individual article, I don't think it will stand up. Thank you for asking, though. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

::Mmm... And shouldn't it be better to at least acknowledge its existence, then say something like "the hints that apply to HunterShipping apply for SoulSilverShipping"? I mean, in case someone else with the same idea as me, but an actual supporter of the ship, came around and made an even bigger fuss? --[[User:KayiR|KayiR]] 17:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

:::We hold stricter notability standards for shipping articles. Not every pairing thought of by three fans deserves an entire page. For the ships that aren't notable for their own pages, we have lists of ships. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 17:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Except SoulSilvershipping is ''popular'', Buzz. However, popularity isn't a reason for notability if its article cannot sustain itself properly. And if people who support it come along and wish to make it, they will likely be given the same reasons they cannot. And like I said, I'll think of something for it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Don't some shipping articles have "other names for this ship" sections? Maybe a similar section could be added to HunterShipping, noting that SoulSilverShipping is the shipping name for Silver/Lyra, which goes by the same hints... I realize this could cause a fuss for a completely different reason, but it was the first thing I thought of, so I thought I'd suggest it. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== Specialshipping ==

How isn't Specialshipping canon?! --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 23:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:....Because Kusaka didn't make it canon...? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:25, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
::Red and Yellow's [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedStringOfFate red string of fate] doesn't count? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 23:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That simply means they're destined in some fashion; if this were a shoujo series, I'd be more inclined to agree, but it's shounen. It ain't canon until they're confirmed feelings. Frantic did it, and even Graceful referred back to having been ex-canon and possibly future canon. Commoner is apparently one-sided, which doesn't make it canon at all in terms of romance, but canon in terms of character traits.
:::I don't take kindly to people who assume 'ships are true when they are undoubtedly not. In the mean time, the red string is still only a hint. A hint to possibly something bigger, but even without a partial confession, or a scene where it's obvious their dating, it's not canon. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Luckyshipping ==

For the trivia you mentioned, "I was wary of the second piece of trivia before, but I've decided neither are viable. The rumor is left because its directly related to the manga's events". Did you notice it was in the trivia section? It's just some unimportant facts that people should know. It doesn't necessarily mean Trivia has to be with the Manga. Sorry to bother you about it ^^ Just wondering why it was removed.
[[User:XLuckyshipper|Luckyshipping - Because they're lucky to be together]] 00:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:I did notice it was trivia (I said it was as much). I removed it because while color-linking is common in video games, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a connection to the 'ship itself. Color-linking usually has a blue-red(-black) pattern, but in this case, it's not connected to the original series, seeing as it's Red/Green+Blue, not Red/Blue+Green (and that would only be a hint for the hero/rival, because the girl is the +1 regardless of what colors you do). J!Blue is an afterthought beyond J!Red/Green.
:I also removed the trivia on BurningLeafshipping, because Red and Leaf don't exist in the same space in the games. If you choose Red, Leaf doesn't exist in-game, and vice-versa. It's commonly accepted they're meant to be the same person, as in, they're different gender variants of the same being: the hero. BurningLeafshipping has as much connection to Luckyshipping as Twinleafshipping has to Haughtyshipping: entirely different circumstances. One's relation has no impact on the other's.
:That was pretty much why. *nod* [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 00:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, I see now. Thank you for the response; I understand now. [[User:XLuckyshipper|Luckyshipping - Because they're lucky to be together]] 19:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== Headline text ==
Hello. I hope I'm leaving the comment right... Umm does bulbapedia need an article on Coupleshipping?? If so may I do it please. (Sry I'm new here....) [[User:Diamond-Contestshipper|Diamond-Contestshipper]] 16:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:Coupleshipping? No such thing. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 19:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::Oh...I saw it on google so..yeah sorry about that. :( [[User:Diamond-Contestshipper|Diamond-Contestshipper]] 16:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:::First of all, you ought to give relevant titles to sections you make. "Headline text" doesn't explain a thing about what you're trying to ask. Secondly, you don't need to start a new section if your new post is on the topic of your previous section. Just indent (using ":") to reply to a previous post. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:Technically, Coupleshipping is "Lucas/Mars/Dawn" and nothing Dawn/Ash/Drew/May/whatever related. And 3somes don't get articles. But any articles we do need are [[Bulbapedia:Project_Shipping/To-do_list|here]], so please feel free, once you read the requirements for making an article. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Grings Kōdai ==
Hey, sorry to bug you, but I was wondering if we could get [[Kōdai]] moved to [[Grings Kōdai]] now. The movie's out, and I see no reason to believe that isn't his canon full name. Just wanted to ask. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 07:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:Better to ask something like Kenji on that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== New Shipping ==

Excuse me, I have a very important shipping that needs to be added. I belive it is you i must talk to to create it. It is called either HatShipping or JohtoShipping, wich ever you think is better, and it is between Lyra and Ethan. Also, could it be on
Category:Shipping as well as The List of shippers? If nessacary, I will write the page for you. Its sorta like the FortuneShipping of Johto. Speaking of wich, you could probably edit piece of trivia no 8 a bit on your page. [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|Yata.]]--Dermodio 15:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:Lyra/Ethan is called HeartSoulshipping, and I'm not sure at all if they even interact enough in-game for an article. If you want to try to write an article, first make it in your userspace. Something like '''User:Dermodia/HeartSoulShipping''' and if the article turns out fine, we can make it a full-fledged article. But if it doesn't make the cut, it will not be. You understand? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Okely Dokely. I will do so as soon as possible. --Dermodio 09:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== My edit in the AdvanceShipping article ==

Hi, I hope it's ok that I'm putting this here and not on the AdvanceShipping discussion page, but I was afraid you wouldn't see this there, since it wasn't used in nearly 2 years...

Anyway, You removed the part I added about the Prince and King of the Sea.

I just wanted to clarify that I didn't mean to say that the titles are related is a fact, just that it's another possible support to the Manaphy sees Ash as his Father theory (I did call it a theory, after all). And Ash is called the King of the Sea, [[Ship]] states that "He who holds the Sea Crown shall become the true King of the Sea." when explaining Ash new powers (At least in the Japanese version, I didn't saw the dubbed version so I don't know if something similar was said there).

Again, I hope that I'm not doing anything wrong by putting this here. [[User:Cag|Cag]] 16:27, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Wild speculation without basis doesn't belong on these articles, much like it doesn't belong on any mainspace article. Context is one thing, but nothing I removed is relative to the theory. You implied the titles were related simply by using it as "support" for a theory that's pretty far-fetched to begin with and shouldn't be in the article at all (but I'm letting it stay anyway). Without a connection to the titles, you're basically inserting [[fanon]], and I've grounds to remove what isn't supported in canon.
:And if that is the line, then Ash's claim to the "King of the Sea" title is a throw-away line, BTW. Nothing more than a statement connecting back to the legend without impacting Ash's story. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:: I can't exactly say I agree with you about it being baseless speculation, but I see your point (Well, since you're the project leader, I guess it doesn't really matter whether I see your point or not XD). Oh well, at least most of my edit is still there for now. Thanks for answering my question! :) [[User:Cag|Cag]] 19:51, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Shipping article ==
ok so can i add ships i think need an article in the Well it would be nice... section? [[User:Mash4eva|Mash4eva]] 15:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You could, but if I don't think the pairing would make a decent article, I'll only take it off. And if you make too many of those, it'll only be annoying, you know? It's too presumptuous. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==NegaiShipping==
Does the link at the bottom count as "hints"?[[User:Patrickmck|Patrickmck]] 22:33, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:The link at the bottom counts as an external link to a person's personal blog/website. It's content is also questionable and biased, despite claiming otherwise, as context is not given. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== ok i'll stop adding to the shipping list like crazy ==

sorry if that offended you. the reason why i added to the list because there's a lot of shippings i think need pages to them. one shipping though i think needs a page the most is curtainshipping. {{unsigned|Mash4eva}}
:You didn't "offend" me; but what you seem to think needs an article really can't, only because there's absolutely no substance to any you've added so far. Now, Curtainshipping has had an article before. It was deleted in a purge. It wasn't a good article then; there wasn't much to Maylene or Reggie's interactions beyond "they know each other." Not to mention, it's not a notable 'ship anymore, and that's what matters at this point. Curtainshipping doesn't have notability. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 05:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

ok and do you who runs the incomplete shippers list?[[User:Mash4eva|Mash4eva]] 01:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, I do. Why? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks :D ==

Thanks for backing me up on the color thing about the name for Abagoura! --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 02:22, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not a problem at all. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

== New ==
Hi, I'm new, and I want to help. I have only seen episodes 1-227, and I know them pretty well. [[User:Loghomewill|Loghomewill]] 01:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Awesome job, <strike>dude</strike> ma'am! ==

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Thank you, Luna, for the countless hours of effort you've put in over the years and especially the last few months. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
: What the hell is up with this weekend? o.O ...Thanks guys. =) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::We're watching you Luna. >:D It's about time you got rewarded for your efforts, congratulations. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::>D I can live with this (though I don't think watching me is any fun). Thanks for the nom', btw. *hug* [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:10, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== WOAH WOAH WOAH!! ==

Who said you could start updating the articles with the disambiguation notices!? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 16:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:... *points to every other pogey page* You know they finished that process, right? The ones I did were just the missed scraps. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::NO NO NO!! [[User talk:MAGNEDETH#Nidoran?|They haven't confirmed the change yet!]] --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 16:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::{{cat|Disambiguation pages for Pokémon|That was four-six days ago}}. You missed it when they did the whole thing, did you. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:47, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I'll give you that but five-six days ago we made a similar misconception when our very own Editor-In-Chief made a similar page, believe it or not, he was wrong at the time, it hadn't been confirmed yet, at least, according to [[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]]. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_pages_lacking_disambiguation_notices] --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 16:53, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::All of which I'm well aware of, and more. What you seemed to have missed it that, despite the move "not being confirmed" publicly, it's been done. Have you ''looked'' on the pokémon pages? Any one that has a dismbig? They were ''all'' updated with the disambig in the header. By mods. By [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magikarp_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1256600&oldid=1251781 Deth himself]? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::The reason people were editing the pages before is because other people were editing the pages. Just because people are editing the pages, including Deth, or even TTE, that STILL doesn't confirm the change. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:11, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Kid, I know you seem worried, but what part of "the change is done" is not sinking in? If I'm wrong, I'll get reprimanded. By staff. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::It's just I made the same mistakes, it's rather most of us are ALL wrong, or the admins need to confirm it in the forums or on bulbanews A.S.A.P. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:26, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I know you made the mistake; I also know it wasn't your fault. I'm ''also'' a moderator on the forums. Something like this? Not going to be mentioned in News. They did [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showpost.php?p=2459657&postcount=110 confirm it on the forums]. Ta. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:31, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Great! That's all I needed. Thanks. :) --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 13:48, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Disambig ==

Welp, they wanted the number of pages in the category decreasing, and it's the only way. And red links are bound to appear all the time, and they'd be eventually blue links as the time progresses, but I'll stop until I see activity on it. I kinda stepped back yesterday when I wanted to make these changes since the Disambiguation pages were red links after all. [[User:Masatoshi|'''Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''Discuss.''''']] 21:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
: Dude, eventually there will be a Disambig for that pokemon, or you can make one yourself, but just don't redlink them. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 21:47, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
:There's a misconception abounding, apparently. That status bar doesn't mean: they all have to have disambig links now...or else we would have done it already. Some of the pogeys you just redlinked for won't be getting necessary disambigs for a loooong time. They aren't necessary until they're necessary. We avoid redlinking in this kind of situation. If we don't ''need'' the article, there shouldn't be a link. If we do, the red link is there to serve as a reminder that we do. The disambigs = not necessary yet. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:52, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, then. My bad. ''(Everytime I try to do something, it's wrong or unneeded :<)'' [[User:Masatoshi|'''Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''Discuss.''''']] 21:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
:::That's just because you're a little ambitious. Which isn't wrong at all. It takes a bit of figuring, that's all. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Help... ==

I am having a problem. It says that we need a NeoRocketShipping article, but I don't know how to make the thing with the Luvdisc... And when I am trying to put a photo on the page, how do I control where it goes on the page?

I'm really sorry for bothering you, but I really need help...

Thanks,Eliza 23:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

== New Ship ==

Don't you think there should be a page for Chris and Eusine? There are so many hints; it'd be a great page!
I'm not saying it has to be done now, or anytime soon, but just think about. That's all I ask.

--[[User:Ggb81|Ggb81]] 02:42, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I understand. Thanks.
--[[User:Ggb81|Ggb81]] 01:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Dub hints ==

I was wondering what your stance on dub hints are. I've seen that one user keeps removing hints from [[RocketShipping]] on the basis that they are dub-added lines and don't matter. But [[PokéShipping]] has many dub hints listed. So should dub lines be allowed or removed? Or does it depend on the situation? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:26, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:The Rocketshippers monitoring that article believe the only hints of merit are the ones from the original source. It's a bad double standard that I understand where they're coming from, since a dub can't make canon what isn't from the original, but at the same time, you're right, we do have a lot of dub-added hints in the others. Ultimately, we're catering to an English speaking audience, and I wonder in that case, maybe there should be a separate section on the article for dub stuff, since that is the version most people are familiar with. *rubs neck* But then comes being trouble in its own right, since most of the fanbase couldn't decipher crud for the raw version of their ship enough to make the comparison. Maybe a tag. ('''DUB HINT''' blah blah blah.) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 04:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Confidence in abilities ==

Sorry for bothering you again. I just wanted to know if confidence in abilities are valid hints. Like how Cilan didn't worry too much about Pansage being sick after Iris gave it the medicine she had made.

I'm asking because a user [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Shipping:WishfulShipping&curid=119311&diff=1376056&oldid=1375854&rcid=1471630 reverted] an edit I made about Iris being confident in Cilan's abilities in [[BW019]] on the basis that "having faith is not a valid hint". Even though he says it isn't valid, hints like those are all over the place. I'd just feel better having a clear answer from you as I felt the revert was a little unjust. Especially considering what he said afterwards which is untrue of what actually happened.

Though I do admit that if I am allowed to add it back, I will word it slightly differently. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Confidence is usually taken in the subtext of how the character is presented with its said (where the person is in the frame, like a close-up, or Ash's reaction to it), and can usually be a best-judgment thing. Having not seen the episode (yet?), I couldn't tell you if it should stay or not. ._. On the other hand, if it was put in there and even if it's a valid point, is it a valid hint without the shipping goggles? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
::Looking at it now, maybe this one particular isn't that strong, given how Iris put it. It was just the reason for its removal that bothered me. This is good to know that they are valid hints. Thank you for clearing it up :) --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 13:55, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, it's definitely all about context and presentation. =) If the writers and animators want something to mean something, they will show it somehow, be it slight or obvious. That said, ^^; we might have to go through the rest of those kinds of hints. *grk* Toss-out lines are basically the same as being saved: nice to hear and see, but can it count? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Moves and abilities ==

Don't add the move tag. We know they need moved. All it does is create extra work removing it that could be spent moving the pages faster. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== To answer you question... ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Blaze_%28ability%29&curid=4142&diff=1393986&oldid=1393798&rcid=1490018 Regarding your edit summary on Blaze], they are the same in DPPt as what you changed it to. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Official guide proved wrong? ==

Hi, I saw [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=White_Forest&diff=prev&oldid=1403310 this] edit summary mentioning me and the guide on the White Forest page, and since I have been posting various things from it as what I believed was correct, I thought I'd ask, what in it is known to be wrong?
About all I've noticed mistake-wise is stuff like an extra space before a closing bracket... Thanks in advance, [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 11:25, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:Ah, it was merely that the table you provided concerning the BC/WF trainers (I assume your thoroughness in double-checking what you've provided, so I assume the table is exactly what the guide says). First thing I noticed was how the trainers in Back City own the evolutions of the pokémon they generate in White Forest. The table you provided, however, said Lena generates Azurill when she owns Gallade and Gardevoir, meaning she would generate Ralts. But since we don't have Molly's trainer info to back the difference, I was simply using the table to reference the surfing pokemon, and not using it to enter /all/ the trainers in, only leaving out the ones we don't have the team info for. =o I hope this clarifies it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:52, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:So rather, it's just a little infallible. That's it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:55, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
::Ah, oh, I can be dumb sometimes. After I spent so long checking that table, [http://i.imgur.com/ufoOl.jpg somehow I swapped the Pokemon for Lena and Molly]. Thanks for noticing, and apologies that I made a mistake like this. I've noticed too that they have the evolved forms in Black City, but they're not listed in the guide... Either way, I've now edited my original post, but if after this you don't believe in the accuracy of the rest of it, feel free not to. Sorry. x.x [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 14:03, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:::^^; I suppose I'm used to guides getting things wrong. Sorry for not asking if it was a mistake or not. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:46, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

== Hi! ==

What are all those oval things at the right side of the page? Sorry... I couldn't help asking.
GAH- I keep forgetting the four tides, so here they are:[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:14, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:Those would be called {{cat|User tags}} =) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:07, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
But what ARE they? Sorry, I'm new so I don't know a lot of things.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 11:46, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:User tags are simply personal tags to tell people, in a nut shell, what a person is, does, likes, and owns. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:53, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
And how do you put one on your page?[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 23:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:I would advise you not to touch your userpage until the edit limitation has lifted, but you can view the code of the page. Anything that starts with Template: is used inside these {{}} brackets. If it's Template:User Shipper, you simply put "User Shipper" inside the {{}}. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 00:24, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

== Burgh/City ==

Come on, you know that it's stupid. That's not how Nintendo names characters. And I don't see how living in Castelia, not any other city makes a difference here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:20, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:Castelia's based on New York's biggest metropolis, while every other city and town in these games has never come close to being depicted as city-like before. =p The character who people confuse as Jewish by looks alone trains bugs in the big city? I think someone was having a giggle that day, because of ANY bug-based name they could have picked, they picked one that makes the longest stretch and happens to correlate to where he lives. And no, I don't know how TPCi names their characters, because I'm not on the localization team, and neither are you. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:32, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

== Umm ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Shipping:CafeMochaShipping&diff=next&oldid=1445136 Why exactly was this similarity removed]? I'm a bit confused... Is it because Sewaddle has since evolved and may not have the same ability? If that's it, I can reword it differently. The point was that that both of their Pokémon had their abilities revealed in that episode. The similarity is not that different to the one about them both catching a Pokémon in BW035 which was left there. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, for butting in, but I really don't think that two trainer's Pokémon having both of their abilities revealed in the same episode counts as a romantic thing. I'm just saying. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 00:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
::It's not meant to be counted as romantic evidence. They're not even under the "evidence" part. It's more like trivia. All of the ships have a similarity section. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Again sorry, but didn't we delete all comparisons of anime Pokémon pages? Does this count too? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 00:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
::::It is acceptable for Shipping as the page is mostly fanon interpretation anyway. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I'm very sorry. Just wondering. I don't really know much about shipping anyway. Sorry for that. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:The wording made it sound like there was too much emphasis on them being "part bug with abilities starting with S". If the idea was "they were revealed at the same time," it's lost in the wording simply because that last sentence doesn't sound like an afterthought, but the main thought. Abilities being revealed is also a little too trivial. I know abilities being revealed is a big thing, but it strikes me more as really grasping to say something about the subject at hand. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
::So... If it just didn't have that one part would it be okay? Worded like the Pokémon capture one? I'm not saying it's necessarily a "big deal", but it is a similarity. I know some similarities are omitted because they can change but that really can't. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:::I suppose? I mean, it can be rewritten, of course. I'm not against the idea; I like trivia. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

== Personal Pic? ==

On the PearlShipping page, there is a personal image, but it is an image of Ash and Dawn sharing a high-five. Is this really considered a personal image then? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:Well, it's not really doing anything for the article except being animated. The still-frame high-five is more shipper than that is, to be frank. If it were removed, I won't miss it. If it was meant to be a personal image and not an image uploaded for the purpose of being added to the article, it probably shouldn't be there at all. ...Which doesn't mean save it as a shipping image to preserve it. The image can go. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

== Official congratulations ==

Thank you for all the contributions you have made here, and welcome aboard the Bulbapedia staff (officially)! —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 03:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
:*throws Lady Gaga confetti* Congrats Luna! \o/ --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:45, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
::\o/ Yay! I don't even mind the Gaga confetti! :3 Thanks, guys. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

== Anything I can do? ==

Do you know of anything floating around on Bulbapedia that I can help with currently? Just wondering. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:31, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Bite ==

Another Moderator told me that Pokemon that learn a move from a pre-evolution (but do not learn it themselves) should still remain on the breeding fathers list because they are still part of their natural learnsets. I don't know if that's changed / if you've heard differently from another higher-up, but I've reverted your edit for now. Examples where this also occurs is how Vibrava / Flygon are listed under Feint, while only Trapinch learns it and Vileplume is listed under Moonlight, when only Oddish / Gloom learn it.[[User:Gymnotide|Gymnotide]] 11:09, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:If a pokémon cannot naturally learn a move in its own, why should it be listed as a father? If you have a Vibrava, thinking you'll be able to heartscale for Feint to breed onto a Gligar, you're basically giving false information, since it's not true. If it's listed in the can-learn list, it's a proper father. But if the only Eevee you have is Espeon with Psybeam/Morning Sun/Swift/Power Swap, you aren't gonna be getting a Rattata with Bite from it. Fathers should be the most readily available to have the moves in their move pool; if an evolution does not have said move in their move pool, they cannot be a father by proxy. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:25, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::Alright. I wasn't sure, which is why I wrote on your talk page. Nearly all other breeding charts that I've seen has this error then--which is why I never edit them >___> However, thanks for clearing that up. Arcanine can't learn Bite in Gen II either. [[User:Gymnotide|Gymnotide]] 12:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:::(Or Gen III. Whoops.) Well, with the new tables, checking is now a lot easier. =) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Noooo!! Arcanine learns Bite in Gen III :P But... What do we do about chain-breeding then? Some Pokemon list chain-breeding targets when they have non-chained fathers as well. Should these be removed? [[User:Gymnotide|Gymnotide]] 14:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Ah jeez. I'm too used to thinking "start with Gen 2". Breeding should come in levels. If an egg move can be learned through a naturally-learned father, only those fathers should be in the table. If the father ''only'' learns the move through a TM/HM/tutor, that should be noted. And if the only way is through actual chain breed (regardless if their parent learned it naturally or through TM), only the earliest breeedable father should be in the table (meaning only Wailmer and no Wailord, and Mantine but no Mantyke, as examples). .... This makes more sense in my head. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:42, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

== Excuse me ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Movie_Commemoration_VS_Pack_%28TCG%29&curid=20214&diff=1470817&oldid=1371745&rcid=1571259 Why wouldn't you change them all.] It's pretty obvious that they will all need changed and that I haven't had a chance to finish what I'm doing, so I don't understand why you would leave it halfway done. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Because the others hadn't been moved? It wasn't "obvious" at all that they all needed to be changed; maybe to you it is, but the constant moving of the TCG pages to new pack names is like a foreign language, so I'm not about to presume you're going to move the rest, if you haven't already. I just fixed the links so those pages wouldn't be "orphans". [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::I guess I sometimes don't realize how foreign the way I try to do things would appear to other people not familiar with TCG. I'm sorry for the accusations. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:46, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== Hi ==

I noticed that, in the past, you've helped fill the Trainer class pages with Trainerlist templates. I'm currently trying to update the pages of [[Template:Orre trainers|the classes]] from Colosseum and XD. We already have most of the information across the [[:Category:Colosseum characters|chara]][[:Category:XD characters|cters]] and [[:Category:Orre locations|locations]] pages. Do you think you could help out again?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 04:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
:Mm. I can help, if you need me to. Any of the trainers completely updated and can be ignored? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
::Other than those which refer, and link to, specific people, {{tc|Shady Guy}}, {{tc|Mystery Man}}, and {{tc|Mt.BtlMaster}} are all done. I'll keep you updated.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 17:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

== {{adv|Black}} and {{adv|White}} ==

Do we have a ship for them? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 00:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
:It's called Agencyshipping. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:46, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
::Of course its the last thing I would think of. Thank you [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 11:48, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Do you know if and when the ship will get a page? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
:I'll that as yes and now. See ya. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 23:55, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
::You inspired it~ [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

== Let's ==

Hi I want to create an article about shipping between Iris's Emolga and Iris's Excadrill {{unsigned|Aliraichu}}
:I do believe that's a no. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:07, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

== RocketShipping ==

Hey Luna, I was wondering if RocketShipping should be added to [[Shipping:List of canon shippings|this page]] under the Electric Tale of Pikachu, as the pair do get married in that canon, and have a child together. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:22, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:Oh, definitely. Probably a table, since the information on their EToP information on the Rocketshipping page is sparse enough. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:10, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

== LapShipping ==

In the shipping article, HatThiefShipping, it's said that the name of the relationship between Ash and Ambipom is ''LapShipping''. I tried to create the page, but could only come up with one sentence, and therefore was deleted. I was told to ask you for permission to create it. If there is a shipping name that is listed but hasn't been created, I think it's time to do so. What do you think? [[User:Satoshi101|Satoshi101]] 01:41, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
:HatThief and Lap are 'ships that both belong in the same article, because you're dealing with the same two characters (evolution doesn't change that). If you wish to contribute to Lapshipping, it should be done on the HatThief page. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Alright, that sounds reasonable. [[User:Satoshi101|Satoshi101]] 00:38, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

== Shipping ==

Hey I noticed you were the leader of Project Shipping, so I decided to ask you about this. I recently watched Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea again and I noticed possible hints between [[Lizabeth]] and [[May (anime)|May]]. I also noticed hints for [[Cilan (anime)|Cilan]] and [[Burgundy]]. Should I make Userspace articles about them and hopwfully get them mainspaced soon? [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 00:49, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
:Cilan/Burgundy already has an article here: {{s|Sommelier}}, so any further hints you have to contribute can be added to that. As for Lizabeth and May (Braceletshipping), it likely does not deserve its own article and should be added to either [[List of anime shippings|here]] or [[List of anime shippings|here]] (either or; they'll be melded together eventually) unless it becomes obvious that it should be its own article. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== PikarisuShipping ==

I know that sometimes you like to put categories in Shipping pages that are still in the userspace so people can find them an help contribute them before they are mainspaced. But I'm wondering if [[User:Zewis29/PikarisuShipping|you can make an exception here]]. The user who made it has been gone for a long time and it doesn't have any real evidence. Like "Pachirisu standing next to Pikachu's ear" on that DVD cover. Really...? Not saying it has to be deleted, I just have a thing about it showing up in the Shipping space categories. However, it is your decision. I just see no hope for that article being taken seriously. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:I didn't even know that one existed. Personally, not enough information to be an article on its own (and likely won't have enough ever), never mind it's not even the right name (Electrocuteshipping), but....think we could incorporate it into your anime list, for the time being? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:08, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I could try. So we can hide the categories so it doesn't show up there? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

==this seems tedious.==

Why you don't program Bulbabot to add the [[Evolution]] link on every pokémon's page for you? adding the links to 639 pages manually seems tedious.--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 13:41, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:It only seems tedious if you don't mind doing it. I don't mind in the least (gives me something to do), and it's not just the only reason I'm going through every pogey's page. Some of the links are there and some are not, among other things. Simple as that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:58, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

== {{u|Mike234}} ==

He's {{U|LegandofThor2}}'s sockpuppet; their edits are pretty much identical. Could you block {{tt|them|Mike234 infinitely and LegandofThor2 for some time}}?--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

== Shipping Confusion ==

Good afternoon Project Leader,I have a question to ask.
I've recently saw the pairings made in the Shipping section and came across this.
-PalletShipping: Ash and Gary-

As I've seen in the anime there is no sign of attraction between these two,actually Ash doesn't show any sign of attraction towards no character especially boys.
Also it would seem quite inappropiate to make homosexual pairings in the anime.Don't get me wrong,I am not homophobic.
In the ending I would like to say that a possible Shipping could be between {{an|Brock}} and [[Wilhelmina]] as seen in [[EP132|For Crying Out Loud]].

Thank you in advance.
Looking forward for your answer. 14:31, 14 February 2012 (UTC) DJ Wolfy

:The articles are to acknowledge belief and list what is used in canon to show why such a relationship might be possible. It's not inappropriate in the least, given the show canonically has pokémon falling in love with humans, so I'm not sure what your point is here. You aren't a Palletshipper; that's cool. Neither am I. Articles focusing on male/male and female/female won't be removed because people fear it "promotes" something (the anime barely promotes romance as is, and certainly doesn't promote most, if not ALL of the pairings made into articles); they will be removed if and only if they do not meet article standards.
:Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean others don't. It's called shipping goggles. And Sissyshipping (Brock/Wilhemina) had its time; it is acknowledge she was one of the few who liked him (and fewer still who he liked in return), and while possible, it doesn't make it any less speculative to be "possible" and remains a non-canonical belief. Like the majority of the shipping articles. I hope this answers whatever you were trying to get across. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Well,I didn't meant to say it promotes anything,I meant to say it's inappropiate to be called homosexual pairings.On the other hand if they are male the pair could just be called... PokePals or Buddies,would sound more appropiate.And about Pokémon falling in love with humans,they fall for them as a pet for its master.Well,hope I didn't caused much trouble.

Thank you for your quick response. 20:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC) DJ Wolfy
:Then I'm not sure what you're getting at. 'Shipping is the belief of a ''romantic'' relationship, which means the term Palletshipping covers a homosexual pairing; to call it anything else is incorrect. Just because they are not a couple in canon doesn't make the belief of them a couple (thus "Palletshipping") any less gay. It's what it is. It's not a term for a friendship. ...And you might argue pet-to-master for Chikorita or Aipom, but most would agree that Latias was full-on in love with Ash (which is not the same thing as an adoring pet). And now I hope I've cleared up your inquiry. I'm sorry I misunderstod earlier. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 22:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Well,yes,but that may be because of Latias' possibility of gaining human shape,you can't really call it zoophilia or as it said in Pokéhistory "Evolution has come, separating humans from Pokémon, to create the first humans",meaning that humans and Pokémons ar from the same species "and one folk tale even says that there was a time when humans and Pokémon were considered one and the same".Well I still disagree with the homosexual pairing,and I say it again I'm not homophobic.I'm not against Shipping,I just wanted to clarify my confusion.Well that's it for now.Thank you for your help.
--'''DJWolfy'''. 15:15, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

== Bulbapedia Issues ==

I've been having a lot of issues with Bulbapedia since BW2 was announced. I've been getting a lot of 503s and I'm starting to get annoyed. What's going on and why are the 503s happening? [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 18:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
:It's due to the influx of users post-announcement. Seeing as they hit after big news, 503s are to be expected while more and more users access and view pages. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

== Shipping Splitshipping (Clay x Elesa) ==

I was told you were the person to come to for this.

I was sleep deprived when the paring popped into my head and upon looking it up i got Splitshippin, the "split" being Driftveil Drawbridge

reasons

''Elesa is a fashion model and would likely have rich tastes...and Clay is rich''

That's all i could come up with without knowing if she has daddy issues.

So should it be added to the list [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 01:08, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
:As much as I like Splitshipping personally, it's got only one interaction for a basis, and even then, all you could say at most about them canonically is "Clay trusts Elesa when it comes to trainers," but that's games only. That's not enough at all for it to have any sort of mention for it as an article or part of an article, though I'm hoping BW2 will shed more light on their relationship, if there is one.
:That said, looking at what you were talking about with KG, Splitshipping /is/ on the Shippers' List. It's just that the Shipper's List and the list of 'ships here aren't one and the same; the list on BP is '''only''' for 'ships that have their own articles or are mentioned in group articles. The only complete version of the Shippers' List is [http://shipping.bulbagarden.net/ here].[[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 10:46, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

:: Ok [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 15:05, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

== I've been having some problems ==
A user named Force Fire has been increasingly difficult for me today, he seems as if he is following me, undoing almost everyone of my edits. I'll put down an 'incomplete' template and he'll remove despite the sections being missing and he has also removed my featured articles nomination, implying my opinion to nominate the page, Brock's Steelix, are wrong despite it fitting the critera and that their has been no vote. I've tryed to speak with him on his talk page but he does not reply and in edit summaries he justifies his actions by saying he is a junior admin. I think he is an admin but I still feel hasseled and partially victimized

My other problem is actually nominating the page, never done it before and I'm not sure I'm doing it right [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 14:21, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
:Sorry ArcToraphim. 05308, you did not ask for the page to be nominated. Just because it fits the criteria doesn't you can go ahead and slap the FAC template on it, you have to ask first. I did reply on my talkpage, did you see it? I'm guessing you didn't. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:30, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

==Shippings==
Remember this is my point of view and no I'm not shipper, I like to create shippings.

Fireflowershipping= Chili/Cilan
Waterlilyshipping= Cress/Cilan

How do I rename? {{unsigned|Grabbergirl}}

== Trainers ==

I see you added some, and said they're south of Resort entrance... but can you screenshot them, please? That'll make the job easier, as I have no idea where is the entrance. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 08:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC) PS. Also, [http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg688/scaled.php?server=688&filename=trainer1e.png&res=landing these] are the trainers I found in that street (so far only six that can be battled). Well, I found a [http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg826/scaled.php?server=826&filename=bpkmnwh24322062.png&res=landing Backpacker]{{tt|*|Note about Policemen - I set PC clock to night, about 30 minutes to midnight... they should appear, but they didn't}} when going towards Desert Resort (near that road with trucks), but I don't count him, as he isn't on the street. Also, is it just me, or that Breeder will rechallenge if you quit area, reenter it and go to the Breeder {{tt|again|Her team is still Drilbur and Marill on the same levels... discovered this and accidentally evolved Swadloon... at Lv. 21. Never expected that. Well yeah, I lost some moves exclusive to Sewaddle... but not everything is perfect}}?
:I'm watching playthroughs, so I'm not in control of the action, and the only ones that seem to be up are Black 2. That said, whatever's in your screenshot, I've never seen before. Granted, I thought the policeman were only at night, but Danny and Nelson look like they're in daytime, so I could be wrong. [http://i50.tinypic.com/1jum3s.jpg This is what I mean.] You enter route 4 from Nimbasa and hang an immediate left-screen turn. At the end of that road, travel south and you run into another officer and the remaining trainers. Bonus officer Brian in the last screenshot, between the road and two fishermen. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:26, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
::I've never seen them... and it seems that instead of Officer, I have Backpacker. They're most likely exclusive to Black 2. Now only the matter of items left... [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 12:27, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

== Dark rustling grass. ==

Can you please say the name of place/route where you experienced (or saw someone experiencing) that? Dark rustling grass can be interesting. In some places just dark grass has different set of Pokémon, rustling grass {{p|Audino|always}} has some new Pokémon. That would be {{tt|nice to see|DOUBLE AUDINO ALL THE WAY!}}. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 16:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
:Haha, it was in Pinwheel Forest, by the Lass and Youngster west of the bridge. It was a double battle with an Audino and Pansage. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
::Were you tagging along with Cheren? I tagged along with Cheren when I first entered Pinwheel Forest and I encountered three rustling grass double battles (one with 2 Audino, another with a Audino and a Pansage, and the last one with a Audino and a Panpour). However they were in the plain grass, but they were double battles since I was with Cheren. Also last time I checked (which was yesterday for the Dark Grass) the only Dark Grass is east of the Bridge and not west. [[User:Lady Ariel|Lady Ariel]] ([[User talk:Lady Ariel|talk]]) 16:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
:::Ahhh, that might have been it. Hard to tell with the videos I'm using. yeah, we were with Cheren so I guess I mis-saw what the grass was. Pity; rustling dark grass would have been nice. But I thought there was dark grass in the south west? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

== Challenge mode ==

Serebii isn't a good source, but according to it, Challenge mode =/= post-game rematch, as you can turn off and on it whenever you want. [http://www.serebii.net/black2white2/assistchallengemode.shtml Click]{{tt|*|I have no idea why it says that Assist Mode is unlockable in White 2 and Challenge Mode is unlockable in Black 2, as other page about them on Serebii says that you need just to finish game [defeat the Champion], without saying that you needs to finish game on certain version. tl;dr = that other page says that you unlock both of modes upon finishing game, instead of the one as the LINKED page says}}. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
:That's not the problem. What we have as labeled on Iris' page is "normal mode" and "challenge mode", though this seems to be wrong because I just encountered a video labeled "challenge mode" that used the team of "normal mode" at elevated levels, so it doesn't seem post game at all. So the question is, IS in fact what we have labeled as normal and challenge really just "Initial battle" and "Rematch battle" (and if it is, do we even have the right levels for the second team)? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:31, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

== Plasma Frigate ==

Hey I am gallade98, a new user on bulbapedia.Nice to meet you. I was just asking if you can help me finish all the Plasma Frigate information.I think i have most of it done, i just need to make sure i have all of the items and trainers correct. Thanks in advance. :D

== Typhlosion ==
You said: "The use of English "typhoon" is correct., as "fuu" =/= "phoon"."
Going to need an explanation of your reasoning there. The English word "typhoon" has common roots with the Japanese word "taifuu" and they literally mean the same thing; the "phoon" is equivalent to the "fuu" (I tried to highlight this in the edit summary). Given that the kanji in "bakufuu" (which is on its own a visibly obvious source for the name) is exactly the same as that in "taifuu", such an origin would be redundant - you could just as well explain the name "bakufuun" as simply adding an "n" to the end of an existing word. If we look at the word "typhoon" on its own, all we would be getting is the "n" sound. That could just as well come from any other word with a similar sound (some candidates may be raccoon or dragoon, but there's no real limit here), or even be just an addition for the purpose of style, with no particular meaning behind it apart from making the name distinct from the real world. If "typhoon" is going to be included as part of the Japanese name origin, it should be properly explained and justified, or attributed to an official source. There is, on the balance of evidence, no reason whatsoever to think that the word "typhoon" is relevant to the name.[[User:Drivorobotnik|Drivorobotnik]] ([[User talk:Drivorobotnik|talk]]) 04:19, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
:But since only the katakana says 'bakufuun', you're looking at the name all wrong and why that section even exists. Since the official spelling is Bakphoon, the name origin is used to explain WHY it's intended to be spelled that way and not as 'Bakufuun' (which no one has to justify since it's ''not'' romanized in such a way and is not the intended spelling; it's simply the katakana that makes it up). If the official romanization had been Bakufuun, it would have then been likely suggested to be a corruption of 'bakufuu' and a combination of 'bakufuu' and 'taifuu', since 'Typhlosion' has to get its random 'typh' from ''somewhere''. A lot of name origins also rely on looking at all the other languages to see how they were gotten, since localizers use the root origins as inspirations for their own lingual names, so since the English name is a combination of 'typhoon' and 'explosion', and 'bakufuu' means 'blast', the typhoon in Typhlosion seems to come out of nowhere, except when you realize 'Bakphoon' has the same 'typhoon' word origin. And this isn't the first time a Japanese name has been spelled with a combination of Jp and Eng words. So no, there is no reason to explain the origin of the word 'typhoon' as possible 'taifuu' when 'taifuu' has ''nothing'' to do with the spelling 'phoon' and 'typhoon' possibly does. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:34, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
::It seems as though you've either misread or misunderstood. I'm not saying that "taifuu" is the origin of the Japanese name - simply that there's no need to consider an origin other than "bakufuu" as it is. The consideration that the "fuu" in "bakufuu" and the "phoon" in "typhoon" is peripheral support for this perspective - a repeated etymology makes little sense. Indeed if you look at the edit I made, I did not (and did not suggest) replacing "typhoon" with "taifuu", but rather, determined "typhoon" to not be necessary (and so neither "taifuu"). I feel that the English name is of little relevance here - although if we are to raise the point, and accept as true the premise you have presented (that English names are constructed to be distinct from, but linguistically similar to, Japanese names), then my aside may be considered, since, after all, that kanji which provides the "fuu" sound is a solid link between "typhoon" (for "Typhlosion") and "bakufuu" - but that is tangential at best. Rest assured that I am not "all wrong" - indeed I myself considered the listed romanisation, and am ready to admit that it would present a fatal flaw to my reasoning. Be that as it may, I cannot, try as I might, find any sort of reliable source for the romanisation "Bakphoon". Were such a source presented, I would be perfectly satisfied with the information currently listed - although I may make the suggestion that a more concrete policy on referencing is adopted and enforced so as to avoid such confusions.[[User:Drivorobotnik|Drivorobotnik]] ([[User talk:Drivorobotnik|talk]]) 17:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
:::Official romanizations of older Pokémon have been confirmed and known for ages, because they are very often used on merchandise. [http://www.webcitation.org/5rZSwnuie Here's the piece of merchandise Wikipedia cites]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
::::Having trouble qualifying that source. The Wikipedia page on Typhlosion specifically lists the name as "Bakufūn", and although the page that cites the image you shared does list "Bakphoon", the reference is to a Bandai product (which, from the look of things, seems to be an obscure collectible, from the look of them they may be from gashapon toys; I am unable to find mention of this set of cards, even on Bulbapedia). This raises the question of whether, in light of the franchise's ownership, third-party (albeit presumably licensed) products are a proper source of definitive canon names. Without verification of this, the best we might say is that, on this set of cards released by Bandai, the romanisation given to Typhlosion by Bandai would appear to be based on the word "typhoon" - that, to me, does not sound like any sort of concrete statement, as it lacks authentic support from an authoritative source of canon. On a side note, that particular image seems to write Buizel's name as "Booysel", not "Buoysel" (which is what has been used) - this should raise doubts about the suitability of a low-resolution image as a source.[[User:Drivorobotnik|Drivorobotnik]] ([[User talk:Drivorobotnik|talk]]) 01:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
:::::They are given the official romanizations. And yeah, it probably is an obscure piece of merchandise, but the fact that it and every other piece of merchandise with a romanization of the name on it use that romanization means that it is pretty obvious it is accurate. Merchandise is the primary use for official romanizations, so we should rely on it, especially when it is a major company like Bandai that makes a lot of it. Buizel's name is chopped off in the middle; it still says "Buoysel", the bottom of a "U" just looks the same as the bottom of an "O" in that font. And my point was not the content Wikipedia has, but their source; what is actually on Wikipedia is unreliable and irrelevant if unsourced (and even if sourced, it is the source that matters). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::I am somewhat confused; it seems as though none of Game Freak, Nintendo, or The Pokémon Company have used these romanisations in their products. Bandai is indeed a major company which releases a lot of merchandise, but they do not own the intellectual property behind the franchise. What that source seems to tell us (and what I acknowledged earlier) is that those particular Bandai products have been named like that - it does not, beyond allowing such a statement, seem authoritative. I would have strong reservations about regarding Bandai as any sort of official source for canon information. And, as you said, it is the source that matters. Could you perhaps explain the rationale here?[[User:Drivorobotnik|Drivorobotnik]] ([[User talk:Drivorobotnik|talk]]) 06:31, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

== Hmmm... ==

Luna, do you know {{u|Empressempoleon|this user}}? [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:ArcToraphim&action=history Because...] [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 15:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
:To answer, no I don't know the user (just had really good timing coming on to fix that article). Beyond that, I'm a little baffled? Could be any number of reasons it was done. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:12, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
::Okay, I asked because I wanted to confirm it before undoing it, the timing got me confused. Anyway, carry on. [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 16:21, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm {{u|Empressempoleon|that user}}. I'm SO sorry! I'm still a little new around here, so I accidentally clicked something and got confused in all these different tabs of Bulbapedia editing. (I keep different tabs open so I can see all the tags and how to write the language while editing.)I am so sorry about that, and I tried to fix it as soon as I could. I won't do it again, I promise! Empress Empoleon 18:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

==ShootsDownShipping==

Hi again. Sorry to keep bothering you.
Anyways, ShootsDownShipping is the ship between [[Kenny]] and [[Zoey]], and it's actually grown quite popular as a side ship in Fan fiction. I know that Bulbapedia used to have a page, but then [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shipping:ShootsDownShipping]deleted it because of a lack of evidence; so I was wondering if I could make a new one. I believe that I can flesh it out. Empress Empoleon 18:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
:If you want to make a page of it, make it in your own userspace, flesh it out there, present it when you think it's done, and I'll see if it's worth ti to put in the shipspace. But if it doesn't have the evidence to support it, no amount of information on the page is likely going to make a difference. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:49, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

== Problem user ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Pokemon_nomekop This user] is undoing various edits for no reason at all. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 23:09, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

== RE: Signature ==

Thanks, I will remove it. Sorry about that. --[[User:Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.|Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.]] 17:06, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
==List of Conquest Abilities Page==
Do you think that page is good enough to be moved to the mainspace now? --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 21:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
:Now, it is. =) All moved. Good work, by the way. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 10:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

== [[Shipping:LuckyShipping]] ==

Can you undo those last two edits by [[user:Cutieblue369|Cutieblue369]]? All they did was remove lots of info, and in general, be completely unhelpfull.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 03:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
:Undo entirely, not necessarily. Some of the info deleted was fine to delete. Not all of it, though. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

== thanks for fixing my edit ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Mystery_Doors_of_the_Magical_Land_Series&curid=165897&diff=1780614&oldid=1780601

i forgot vaniluxes name and for some reason i thought it was vanillite [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 21:47, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
:Well it was my mistake to begin with, ^^; the one you were trying to fix. So it's okay. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

== A little help here, please? ==

I've just found some Pokédex info about SolarBeam in the anime. Could you please correct the red link on the template? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:43, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
:Thank you! :) --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:58, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'm never doing that again. But you're welcome. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry if I bothered you. You were just the only administrator I found currently active. I regret if I disturbed you in the middle of something important. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:20, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
::::Oh, no no no. XD; Not what I mean. I'm not a fan of editing templates; it gives me panic attacks. And I'm pretty sure editing that template made the whole site hiccup and toss a hissy, so, yes. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

== Should there... ==
Should there be a shipping page about Ash and Casey? --[[User:Doggy567123|Doggy567123]] ([[User talk:Doggy567123|talk]]) 06:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
:Really sorry for the late reply. ''Should'' there be? Don't know. ''Could'' there be? Depends. If anyone think there ''should'' be an article on a 'ship, all that person has to do is draft a page up in their userspace and show it to me to judge. If there's not enough solid material on the characters, it's not accepted, and if there is, it is. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 14:22, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Also sorry for a VERY late reply. And how do I do that? --[[User:Doggy567123|Doggy567123]] ([[User talk:Doggy567123|talk]]) 17:21, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

== What was wrong with the trivia I added about Shedinja? ==

You removed my trivia and didn't really explain why. I know you said in the revision history of Phoeboe's page that " "Easy" or "hard" is subjective", and I know what you mean by that. But was there any reason you removed the trivia I made on the Shedinja page entirely? Just curious... [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 19:45, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:The trivia itself only has relevance to Phoebe and her team. It's not relevant to the Shedinja species as a whole, especially with the lack of an actual example (and even if their had been, it's still specific to Phoebe only) and therefore speculative (it was equally speculative on Phoebe's page [because of the guessing why; we don't guess in these cases], but the subjectivity was simpler to explain). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:10, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::Alright, I understand. By the way I'm glad to be back. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 21:17, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

== New Shipping ==

I'm making a proposal of a new Shipping, my first one, I don't watch episodes that frequently, but from what I heard, this pairing is very notable. However I can't find a name since all of them have such complicated name origins. What name would you give to a Shipping between Stephan and his Sawk? Do you think that it is notable to put on a page or put it [[List of anime shippings|here]]?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 19:21, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:It's called BuildUpshipping. That said, I don't believe it's notable enough to have its own page. Before putting it on Kenji's page, though, can you provide hints/evidence for it? There's little point creating a template for it and then leaving it empty. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:15, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
::I have points to consider:
*** In Sawk's debut, Stephan became eager to introduce it in his battle with Iris, during battle he showed to have teached Sawk to be immune to other Pokémon's Attraction (if you get what I'm saying), and he comforted him in the defeat.
*** In the Bell festival, Stephan chose him over Zebstrika. In the first round, Sawk refused to give his belt to Stephan, but in the end he gave anyway, in this one I think Sawk was just playing hard to get.
*** The Clubsplosion was entirely focused on Sawk and Stephan. They even hugged each other while smiling when they won.
::Well, my points are these, what do you think? BuildUpShipping, where did you get this name from? Can you write down the kana and kanji for this name?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 21:05, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:::The name was made up by a user; what the exact reason for choosing it was, though, I haven't the slightest, but I assume it's based off "to build up muscle/strength." The kana would ''likely'' be ケニダゲ, but I dunno if that would romanize as KeniDage or KenDage or KenyDage. That bit about Stephan training Sawk to be immune to Attract is out. You're going to need to explain point 2 much better, since what does the belt have to do with anything, and could it ''really'' be called "playing hard to get"? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

== A large recent edit to the RocketShipping page ==

Hello. There was a large edit made to the RocketShipping page recently. It has been reverted, but we were hoping you could look over it and see if any of it should be added back or revised. Here [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Shipping%3ARocketShipping&diff=1817865&oldid=1817851]] is a link to the differences between the additions and the revert. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 08:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*salute*</nowiki> Thank you, too. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

== Conquest Armies ==

With the template changes and such, the bottoms of them aren't showing up as rounded now. A heads up, if you know how to fix it. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:09, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
:They look rounded to me. No corners are sticking out the bottom. Nothing I'm doing is touching the "roundy" anyway. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 18:15, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
::Hm, perhaps it's a browser thing then, on Chrome I'm seeing [http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq156/DrakeClawfang/Dragnor_zps1a0657dc.png this]. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:52, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
:::On firefox, I'm seeing [http://i47.tinypic.com/246nw9t.png this]. However, the corners were there before I touched the tables; they vanish afterwards, so it's probably how the browsers render the coding. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 18:58, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
::::Hm, looks like it's still there on Firefox, the round on the bottom is different from the top, it's just not going outside the border. Not sure how to fix it though, I've no idea how the coding or templates for coding work here for rounded corners. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:00, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

== Did I misplace this? ==

I'm a little new to all of this, but I had a question regarding creating an article for a certain shipping, and I'm not sure if I put it in the right place. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbapedia_talk:Project_Shipping#No_article_for_CrystalShipping_yet.3F I go into detail here.]

[[User:Magenta Fantasies|Magenta Fantasies]] ([[User talk:Magenta Fantasies|talk]]) 23:21, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Project Shipping/To-do list|Here]] might have been a better place, but I answered, so~ [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Here is what I have so far for an article (for manga CrystalShipping): http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Magenta_Fantasies/CrystalShipping
What do you think?
[[User:Magenta Fantasies|Magenta Fantasies]] ([[User talk:Magenta Fantasies|talk]]) 01:50, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:Well, I have to question: how is it a hint Eusine "takes Crystal's place" on the orphanage trip? Did Eusine drop the autographed card on purpose, or was it an accident (as to have pre-signed photo isn't uncommon among those who thing of themselves as super famous or whatever)? How does she worry about him in round 129? (Also, made some small edits.) Not a bad start, though. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:32, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

With the "taking Crystal's place on the orphanage trip" Eusine went out of his way to do something nice for her I assumed that he dropped the card on purpose, since Eusine asks Crystal her name, but he doesn't give her his (if you don't think these are good enough hints, I'm okay if you remove it). Maybe "worries" isn't the right word, it's more like she looks at the walkie-talkie doll Eusine gave her and thinks about him.

I really hope this isn't a rude question, but could this be made into an actual article at some point? Rather, how do I go about doing this? I bet other people would have shipping hints to contribute to this page, and I've seen many shipping pages with less hints than this (also, Crystal and Eusine appear together for a relatively short amount of time compared to many other manga-related shippings).
[[User:Magenta Fantasies|Magenta Fantasies]] ([[User talk:Magenta Fantasies|talk]]) 04:54, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
:The articles you're likely thinking of are in the process of being moved and also didn't start as userspace articles; some where just quick and dirty creations left to rot, as it were. So while yes, it can and will be moved, I'd just rather it be a little fleshed out before moving it, that's all.
:Context is important. Vague wording can make anything sound like a hint, so in cases of people who don't have the manga or anime or game right out in the open for them, context explains the situation. Did Eusine think of doing something nice for Crystal by taking her place, or was it circumstantial that his choice to take her place just happens to be something nice? It's why some "evidence" on other articles comes with notes on how to interpret an action. So if context on the thinking-about-him bit and the orphanage can be expanded further on as to why it would be a hint, we'll see about keeping it. I'm still iffy on the card thing, but I'll think on it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
==Puzzle Village==
Doesn't this mean that we should put [[Puzzle Village]] on the [[Special:WantedPages|list of wanted pages]]? [[User:TheShinyRoggenrola|TheShinyRoggenrola]] ([[User talk:TheShinyRoggenrola|talk]]) 20:00, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:It's already there by default, because it's a red link. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:20, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::I noticed that you previously deleted the [[Puzzle Village]] page but still put the red link back into the article. Was it just a badly written page? If so, I think I can make a decent one given a day or two. [[User:Aggron989|''AGG'']][[User talk:Aggron989|''RON'']][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|''989'']] 21:10, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes, the original attempt at making the Puzzle Village article was 'badly written' (it was a single line of text and a picture). So if you want to remake it, that would be fine. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:27, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
::::I'll definitely make the article, but I probably won't finish it today. [[User:Aggron989|''AGG'']][[User talk:Aggron989|''RON'']][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|''989'']] 21:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

== Mudkipz ==

Have you looked at the picture? How is the head fin not color light-blue? And how is the tail fin light-blue? And where should I put the flexibility part?[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 11:37, 7 April 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
:If you read the physiology, it cites Mudkip as "blue"—which is is—and if its body is blue, and its head fin is the ''same exact color'' as the body, its head fin must also be "blue." Now its underside is cited as "light-blue"—which it is—and if its underside is light-blue and its tail is the ''same exact color'' as the underside, its tail fin must also be "light-blue." Furthermore, if the body is blue, and the underside is of a lighter shade, why would the underside '''not''' be called light-blue in comparison to the body's darker shade of blue? (So I don't even know where you're looking; its head fin is the farthest thing from being called "light-blue" when its body [including its head fin] is basically the same shade as Swampert's, which is also not "light-blue".)
:And the flexibility is a non-issue. It's a tail and tails move; calling it a tail fin is enough to imply flexibility. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 12:20, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

== Undone Edits ==

You undid my edits to the number disimbigs saying that "it IS only regional pokemon mentioned", however, it mentions for every Pokémon that they are the number in a specific regional Pokédex, and if applicable National, so it ISN'T just regional Pokédex mentioned. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 14:08, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
:Before changing it, you may want to bring it up with someone higher up, since [[regional Pokédex]] is actually more relevant to the numbers themselves as opposed to [[Pokédex]] (mention of the National dex number or not). 01:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
::So one of the Bureaucrats? -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 14:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

== ? ==
Is there any reason for telling me off for editing [[User:Grabbergirl/DiningcarShipping|this page]]? Even better, is there any reason for removing several templates and categories from said page even though I didn't add some of those? --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 18:39, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

EDIT: Re-reading your comment, it appears that you, the user who created that page, and the other person who edited the page earlier are the only people allowed to edit that page.
:Because it's a personal page. As in, it's never going to be namespaced. So '''no one''' should be editing it. And because it'll never be namespaced, it should not have categories or those templates. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:14, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Running with your argument again, [[User:Grabbergirl/IwazaruShipping|this page by the same person]] will never be mainspaced, but yet has categories + templates. Heck. Even one of [[User:Relicant/User Wants|my pages]] has cats yet will most likely never be mainspaced. Also, '''IF''' nobody but the author who created the page is meant to be touching a page in the user namespace, then articles [[User:Vuvuzela2010/Sprite Errors|such as this one]] shouldn't be edited by anyone other the the author. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 19:22, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:That last page you listed says directly at the top that anyone may edit the page. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 19:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Yess, I know that. But this person stated that NOBODY but the page author should be able to edit pages in their user namespace zone. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 19:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:Please read the [[Bulbapedia:Userspace policy]] for more information on WHY you're not allowed to edit userspace articles. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I read the policy. I'm not stupid. But eh, I don't care much for rules anyway. I think my edits were pretty much justified. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 19:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:And all I asked was that you don't edit it. It's not your page, you don't have permission, and you claim to have read the policy, but thought you could refute my statement by arguing against what you possibly already knew? Or did you read the policy ''after'' I mentioned it's not in your right to edit it? ...And mind, if you don't care for rules, you won't then be surprised if you fine yourself eventually banned some time down the line (temped or perma'd). Just saying (not a threat; just stating a fact). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:46, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

None of my edits so far have broken any rules, so I'm safe. Also please don't try to continue this argument because I honestly don't care anymore. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 19:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== About [[Clair]]'s Druddigon ==
We all know that it's going to appear in the anime, so what's wrong with adding it to the page?? When it does appear, just change the picture. [[User:Raykyogrou0|Raykyogrou0]] ''([[User talk:Raykyogrou0|Talk]])'' 09:51, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
:Policy in this instance is to wait for the episode to premiere; that's just how it's done, even when we know what a major character will have. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 10:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

== gender due to name ==

If a nickname of a Pokémon does not determine the gender, what about some of the other pages such as [[Dr. Abby#Johnny|these]] [[Orville|two]] as their gender was listed/determined due to nickname? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:Meg is part of a pair of nicknamed pokémon, not a solo act, and those nicknames are derived from the species, not the gender. It's definitely meant to be a close-sounding name to Mag, like [[Bailey|Belle and Bella]] or [[Brittany (Johto)|Gigglybiff and Gigglybuff]], and very likely ''not'' reflective at all of any gender; that's getting into a really grey area of assumption. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:31, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
::I see now, Meg and Mag. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:03, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

== About Kenshin and Shingen's default Pokémon ==

The reason I had placed the notes on their default Pokémon saying only in the other's story is because they don't have a default in their own story, seeing as they are controlled by the player, and both join the player during the Legend of Ransei. In hindsight, I see one circumstance where they could have default Pokémon in their own story, and that is if the player does not deploy them at all in the Legend of Ransei, causing them to never be officially registered in the gallery. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 00:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
:And that's why I note "regardless of one's gallery." You may as well go around notating on all the characters saying "Only in this story, this story, etc, etc" for every story in the group of stories they belong to except their own. But that would be a lie for the very circumstance you just pointed out.
:If Kenshin has a Gallade in Shingen's story, then that's what he would have in his own story if he was never registered in the player's Gallery, ''because'' it's default in Shingen's. Nene will always have a Croagunk in every Ninja story, even possibly her own as long as she's not in the Gallery, because it's true for the rest. Defaults don't change outside story blocks. Which is why the note is unnecessary. It's not "that story only;" it's his default!default for both. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 00:34, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, I understand that. My reasoning had been, and I will state it again, that Kenshin and Shingen are ''guaranteed'' to join the player's army in the Legend of Ransei. However, when making that edit, I did not take into account that they actually need to be sent ''into'' battle to be registered, which was a mistake on my part. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 00:46, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

== Totodile and Typhlosion ==

I need your opinion on [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash%27s_Totodile#Known_or_unknown_gender these] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Jimmy%27s_Typhlosion#Gender two] topics since there hasn't been a response to those lately and you're the expert with the genders and shipping. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:36, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
:That's really an area for Kenji-girl's call. Romance doesn't have much to do with it (since even Ludicolo is unknown and it had the "stint" with Mawile), and I wouldn't call a gender without actually using gendered words. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:43, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
::I do agree with you about romance not being gender worthy. Not to mention that there was Misha's Purrloin and most recently, Jamie McGonnigal's wedding. Yes, I will talk to Kenji-girl about this. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 14:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== Spewpa ==

On several versions of the official site, Vivillon is confirmed to evolve from a Pokémon called Spewpa. [http://www.pokemonxy.com/es-es/pokemon/other_pokemon/] --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 15:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:Yep, I found it. =) Nice. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:26, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

==Global Project==
why you undid ,my edit? of flag--[[User:Viv|Viv]] ([[User talk:Viv|talk]]) 15:27, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:Because the page on South Asia covers multiple countries and no one flag should be used to denote it. I'm pretty sure it was left without a flag to begin with for that reason. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== Lolipop song in eyecatch ==

For some reason I thought you might know this, or know who would know it. Anyways...so I've been watching Pokémon smash via stream for the last few weeks, and a Eyecatch keeps showing up with the 1958 song Lolipop playing. It doesn't seem to be the original US version, and all google searches result in Lolipop Chainsaw, or AMVs that have a different song titled lolipop in them

So my question is if you know the answer, is what group sings the Lolipop song for the eyecatches seen during Pokémon Smash? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:50, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
:Ah, nope. I don't watch Smash, and I don't know who does. Sorry. =( [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 03:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

== Ghost (type) trivia rewording + Nixtorm reversion ==

The Ghost (type) article has been protected, so I write here instead of rewording your rewording of the trivia point I submitted regarding Pokémon Conquest movement. This may also be better, as I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your rewording, which went (links removed): "''although they do not fly or levitate, which allows further freedom of movement.''" → "''regardless of typing or Ability, which allows further freedom of movement.''" Could you explain it, or maybe explain your interpretation of my initial submission? Also, regarding your June 6, 2013 revision of the Nixtorm article, did you test the additional requisites you added? It is effectively a reversion of my February 7, 2013 revision. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 07:19, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
:Your wording was poor grammar to the overall idea; if you think otherwise, please explain what you mean yourself and not ask me my interpretation. I knew what you were talking about since I've seen an obstructed Litwick walk right through an enemy to appear behind it, but otherwise your wording is confusing.
:Since Duskull, the Misdreavus family, the Gastly family, and the Drifloon family all have a type (Flying) or Ability (Levitate) that will make them hop over the enemy instead of physically passing through them, it's fair to eliminate those as factors as to why a Ghost type might be getting around an enemy (which leaves Froslass, Spiritomb, the Litwick family, and the remaining Duskull family as examples of those that pass through enemies).
:"although they do not fly or levitate" implies none of the ghost-type are possible of these things, which isn't true as mentioned above, so saying regardless of type of Ability makes it clear that even without Levitate or the flying type, they can get around enemies naturally with little hindrance. But it could probably use a modifier. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 12:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
::The main text, which ends with "''...a knight in chess)''" and remains unaltered, explains the topic movement property of Ghost-type Pokémon. The additional information, which is what you've reworded and what we're discussing, is meant to serve as a disclaimer, stating that Flying types and Pokémon with Levitate also have this property, along with further movement properties, thus making them different (along with the animation discrepancy you're describing). While the wording of my initial submission did not make this very clear at all, I believe the point is completely absent after your rewording (possibly due to you misinterpreting my vague wording); to me, the additional information now reads "Ghost types have this property regardless of types or Abilities. This property allows them further freedom of movement." Also, I endorse the rewording to prevent confusion (main part of your response), but I don't see the point in going general ("types and Abilities"), when it only concerns one type and one Ability; the only Pokémon other than Ghost types that have this knight-like property are Flying types and Pokémon with Levitate. Thank you for correcting your mistake at the Nixtorm article. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 17:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Half the Ghost types in Conquest either have Levitate or are part Flying, meaning that should be accounted for and not implied to be otherwise, or else discounted straight out; I think either works. However, Ghost types aren't the only type with a special advantage (fire types can cross fire, water types water, ice types won't slip on ice, poison types aren't harms by poison pools; Flying types and Levitators have full access to any free square in their range regardless of obstacles, sacrificing physical touch to the ground [which has advantages and disadvantages]), and that's where your own point gets lost.
:::So if you forget about the second half for a minute, I need to ask: is the focus of this trivia about their ability, or is the focus on that the Ghost type's ability is comparable to a chess piece? Because if it's the latter, it should include "regardless of type," since it's the truth to the whole, and if it's the former, do understand the chess piece reference would (and should likely) be cut because it's detracting from the point of the ability, but without the chess piece reference it's not a special trait without outside explanation (otherwise all other type pages would have to mention every advantage their typing has on certain fields, and passing over or through an enemy isn't that different from crossing over [or even sitting on] a magma pit, since on a chess board, the other color is the only obstacle your pieces have).
:::I got the latter from you. If it's the former, let's call it what it is, since ultimately the reference to Knights isn't unique to Ghosts alone. "Ghost-type Pokémon which are not part-Flying or have Levitate are capable of physically passing through enemies, referencing the common belief ghosts in real life can pass through tangible objects. They cannot, however, in-game pass through with any other obstacle on the field." [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:08, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
::::And I apologize this reply took so long. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:09, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::I figured it would be best to mention the similar property displayed by Flying types and Pokémon with Levitate to avoid confusion. My initial wording was misleading, yours I interpret as a partially empty statement of (I repeat) "Ghost types have this property regardless of types or Abilities. This property allows them further freedom of movement.", and it does not state the resemblance. My point gets lost because other types have certain movement properties as well, you say? When adding the information, it seemed clear to me that the movement properties displayed by types other than the Ghost type are self-explanatory and not worth noting as trivia points. They are mentioned in the Battlefied sections of kingdom articles anyway. This one was curious and more noteworthy, in that it does not resemble any main series property or concern tiles that are practically the type of the allowed species. The focus is, of course, the curious movement property, while the chess analogy is simply included to easily aid readers that are not familiar with Pokémon Conquest. You really think that every other movement property needs to be noted if this one should? You don't think this one is more notable? Either way, if that's what you want, just remove the point (or add every other in their respective articles). I think you can make it work via rewording, though, and if the chess analogy is what's keeping you from making sense of the trivia point, then cut it. Similarly, if you'd rather focus on/explain via the animation of passing through, then do that, since the point remains the same. The only reason I wrote you is because your new wording makes no sense to me and appears to misunderstand my initial wording (as described above), so it needs to be fixed, which I believe you'll do now, meaning we're done. Thank you! [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 08:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

== Must discuss 団s meaning before editing ==

You undid a revision of mine and said that I must discuss 団s meaning before making these sorts of edits. I'm unsure why you say this. There was no discussion choosing to translate 団 as "gang", so there is no one to disagree with. I could stalk through the edit history and find who made the first reference to that and then hopefully contact them, but aside from that there is no discussion to be had. [[User:TJF|TJF]] ([[User talk:TJF|talk]]) 23:20, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
:New discussions at the bottom of the page. Since the definition of 'dan' affects more than just the Rocket page, if you want to change it, you will need to actually discuss it. Regardless of your opinion, BP has taken the stance to use 'Gang' as the translation (so no discussion was necessary), and if that is the official translation, it cannot be changed to what someone else considers 'appropriate'. If it's simply the preferred translation and not official, you can make an argument for a change. So don't revert again until you've made your case and gotten a staff member's okay on it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 23:32, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
::Sorry, I intended to start this at the bottom, not sure what happened. I didn't realize you were an admin, so I didn't realize that you were actually speaking with authority on this. I thought you were just some random user. Where and how has BP "taken the stance to use 'Gang'", do you mean someone used that, and it caught on? I don't see how such a thing makes "gang" better than "team" or anything else, which are official. Regardless, since this affects more than the Rocket page, where would I have to make my case? Once I have done so, would you be willing to consider it? I also have something related to romanization (Suikun and Serebi) that I would like to discuss, where would I talk about that? Thanks. [[User:TJF|TJF]] ([[User talk:TJF|talk]]) 23:51, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
:::For romanizations, that's different. The species articles use trademarked spellings of the Japanese names, meaning if they aren't currently romanized the literal way (see the majority—if not all—the Gen 6 pogeys), then they're romanized with trademarks; literal spellings are found instead [[List of Japanese Pokémon names|here]]. Sorry to say, you'll be out of luck on changing the species pages to Suikun and Serebi, since trademarks are official. As for who you would go to over 'dan', I would say starting a new discussion on one of the team pages might do it, if you're going to state your case, but there really isn't any strictly 'one' person to bring it to, since the teams cover multiple media and it's a case of translation.
:::Though for the record, even if I had been a regular user, undoing someone else's undo is the start of an edit war, which I hope you know is a no-no. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 00:25, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

==Shipping Trivia==
As Drayden is making Iris a Gym Leader... it is an interesting one. [[Emboar|This]] [[Butch|is]] [[Cassidy|Mkbw50]] [[Ritchie|signing]] [[User:Mkbw50|off]] 08:41, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
:But she is /not/ one yet. When or if the day comes that it's confirmed Iris is a GL in the anime, then you may say such a thing. Except the XY anime is approaching, and if those companions turn out to be unrelated to either position as well, it will go away again, if it's back in the first place. (I'm also not a fan of comparing two positions which are unrelated, just to bring about a piece of trivia that basically says, "These two weren't important in promoting the anime's connection to the game.") [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:39, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

== Dragonite shipping page ==

Should there be a shipping page with [[Clair's Dragonite]] and [[Iris's Dragonite]] since they showed some relationship with each other in [[BW136]] and that they're opposite genders of each other? The name of the shipping page should probably be something relating to dragons. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 02:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

== Question ==

I'm the new guy. I just wanted to know if it is possible to edit an article without the edit option. if it is possible, then how?? if not, then why?? ([[User:ShinyPancham345|ShinyPancham345]] ([[User talk:ShinyPancham345|talk]]) 18:48, 9 August 2013 (UTC))
:Hello. When an article is without an edit button, that means it's locked to your usergroup. If the protection level is up to autoconfirmed users, that means you must become autoconfirmed (which it appears you are not). Once you become autoconfirmed, if the page still doesn't have an edit button, only staff may edit the page and you will have to wait until that protection is removed. In the mean time, if you are unable to edit a page, you are allowed to use the talk pages to suggest information to be added to that article. =) I hope this helps. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 18:59, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

== Drifloon, Rotom, Cranidos and Teddiursa. ==

Been checking DW locations pages. They say these are available only when BW is linked. But on species pages, there is no note informing of that. I am confused... [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 11:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
:As far as I can tell, the species pages for exclusive pokémon only reflect when it's BW2. There's no confusion; no one simply notated the BW exclusive pokémon on the species pages. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

==Speaking about Mega Launcher...==
Could you please add a column [[Template:Ability/head|here]] and [[Template:Ability/entry|here]] for Mega Evolution abilities? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''オリ''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''ジ''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''ナル''']] TheOriginalOne 13:40, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

==Edit Protected Pokémon Page==
Can you remove the indefinite edit protection from {{p|Vivillon}}? '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 22:35, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
:Taken care of. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 22:46, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

== Question ==
I am new to this wiki and I come in peace. I have a question. Until when can I start editing my profile page as I can't edit it yet. {{unsigned|Natural Harmonia Gropius}}
:The privilege of page creation is given once users have been around for a specific amount of time and have made a certain number of mainspace edits (both numbers we can't give out). That will make you autoconfirmed and able to edit your user page. =) And also remember to sign with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) in the future, though if you don't remember and someone uses {{template|unsigned}} like I have, please don't resign, as that messes with time stamps. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:51, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

== Question.. ==

why did you remove the X5 after the 3 horde encounters in pokemon village? haveing the x5 for horde encounters is important so people know what they'll be batteling, especially since it isnt always going to be 5 of the same pokemon, yet having specific combinations of what can appear. such as in kalos route 20:
Foongus x5 common
Trevelant x5 Average
Trevelent X4 + Sudowoodo Rare
[[User:WA-Zergslayer|WA-Zergslayer]] ([[User talk:WA-Zergslayer|talk]]) 16:49, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
:I removed the x5 because it creates a redlink that's entirely unnecessary. Horde encounters always happen in fives, and only occasionally including anything else beyond the majority pokémon; that information bout numbers is for the Horde article and will become common knowledge soon enough not to bother addressing numbers. You cite {{rt|22|Kalos}} but you'll notice that that article lists Trevenant by itself, without the x5, and in the box, notes Sudowoodo's occasional appearance in that horde. That's an acceptable notation—without template tinkering—to handle the particulars of a Horde encounter. Creating links to "Trevenant x5 (Pokémon)" and (I assume by your thinking) "Trevenant x4 (Pokémon)" is not. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:30, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

== Excuse me... ==

I noticed that you've reverted some of my edits by changing move names such as {{m|Thunder Shock}} and {{m|Solar Beam}} back to single words. I hate to dissapoint you, but in case you didn't know, I was just correcting the names: they are written differently from X and Y onwards, so thanks a lot, NOT. Sorry for that outburst, but may I ask you the reason why did you do those edits? Didn't you know about this name change, or were there some other reasons? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 12:49, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:The revision summary [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Volkner&diff=prev&oldid=2004904 here] for example – pre-Gen VI material should use pre-Gen VI spelling – probably applies to all of those edits, and is at least in my opinion a very logical decision. '''Soulweaver''' (U.S.) ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 12:56, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
::What SW said. Old games, old spelling and typing, as that is ''accurate'' to the games they apply to (you wouldn't change Charm on Red's Pikachu from Normal to Fairy, would you? No you wouldn't because it wasn't a Fairy move then). New spellings are only to be applied to the generation they appeared in and '''future''' applications, not the past ones. So yes, I reverted you, because those spellings for those parties are ''incorrect''. Focus new spellings on Gen 6+, not anything Gen 1-5. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:12, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::I understand (even though "Thunder'''S'''hock" used to be "Thunder'''s'''hock", and I don't see that bothering anyone). I'm just a guy who doesn't like using redirecting pages and likes the links to go straight to the proper page without as little redircetions as possible. Anyway, would it still be OK to fix the links in other pages at least? I mean those links that aren't in any moveset templates, such as in the anime/manga/etc. articles? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 06:56, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Why would you "fix" them? The moves were still spelled ThunderShock and SolarBeam when those episodes aired. Sounds like exactly the same situation to me. It's like how we don't put the Fairy coloring on templates on Misty's Togetic's page. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:02, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::When was it "Thundershock"? It was "THUNDERSHOCK" originally, but once moves stopped being in ALLCAPS in the games, it was revealed that it was "ThunderShock" all along; TCG spelling is unimportant. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:13, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

== Goodra ==
Question
you reverted a change made here[[Goodra]]

is it better to add:
*Goodra has the highest base [[Special Defense]] of all the [[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon]].
also, is it possible to add similar data to [[Pseudo-legendary Pokémon]]
[[User:PortalDark|PortalDark]] ([[User talk:PortalDark|talk]]) 02:56, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
:Once Goodra has its own section on that page, any information unique to it will be there (so it doesn't have to be on their articles). Hydreigon's got the highest SAtt among the pseudos, but it's not mentioned on its individual article, but is mentioned on the pseudo page. There's also the Tyranitar trivia that conflicts with Goodra's SDef claim, seeing as a regular Tyranitar in a sandstorm has equal SDef to Goodra (Mega Tyranitar having even more than Goodra), and Sand Stream is an Ability natural to it and and its Mega form. So yeah, it's technically true, but only without this exception, and exceptions make for headaches. Best leave it for the pseudo page. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 12:26, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

::true the Tyranitar issue(through the point is the base stats, not the altered ones)
:::thanks for the reply btw [[User:PortalDark|PortalDark]] ([[User talk:PortalDark|talk]]) 14:20, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolution ==
No! There more than power surge, the Pokemons can still evolve into second and true final forms according to me. --[[User:Samueljoo|Samueljoo]] ([[User talk:Samueljoo|talk]]) 02:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

== Black OTK Socks ==
You're completely right. The table had no information for them, so I assumed that they, like the other rows I had been filling in last week, were simply an item that people knew existed at a shop but just didn't have the information for. I didn't even think to check the default clothing. Thanks for fixing my screw-up. [[User:Amimizunofan22|Amimizunofan22]] ([[User talk:Amimizunofan22|talk]]) 00:50, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

== Japanese move redirects ==

Hey, ArcToraphim. I noticed you deleted one of the redirect to Hold Back, which is alright with me, but I do have something I wanted to talk about on redirects to moves. Basically, how do we handle redirects of Japanese translations? For {{m|Tackle}} [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Tackle_(move)&hidelinks=1 we have redirects] for the English name with the English name without the move tag, the Japanese translation with and without the move tag, and the Japanese text of the move. So, how do we handle those redirect in comparison to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Hold_Back_(move)&hidelinks=1 the move Hold Back]? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 04:06, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
:The standard two redirects are "English name" and "Japanese kana", and if someone wants to, "whatever the current Japanese translation is" ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Aura_Sphere_%28move%29&hidelinks=1 which can amount to a few choices], so already you can begin to see where this might be going). The problem with adding "(move)" to the latter is the fickleness of translations that come from hiragana names and katakana that aren't straight-out English mirrors (such as [[Afro Break]]). For example, I think "Go Easy" is a really good break down of the word Tekagen. Someone else with a better understanding of the translation might revert it back to Hold Back, obsoleting Go Easy. The French and German names of the move translate to Restraint (more or less), so that might wind up another translation used on the article, as analyzing names from the canon languages can also give the right feel for a Japanese translation if they're all similar enough. Even older moves can find themselves retranslated; it's not a stable practice.
:Those "(move)" redirects are ultimately unnecessary for the long run (and are forgotten about after the short run). And to point out, the majority of the older "(move)" redirects were made earlier this year by [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:YoshisWorld#.22Whoo_editing_spree.22 someone with too much time on their hands] (and not worth it to delete them all after so many were made); the more recent generations were because they went from long-standing Japanese romanization to canon English. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:14, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
::I can see that besides the English and Japanese kana, redirects for moves should be double checked before adding. Anyways, are you sure that they shouldn't be deleted manually or by a bot? The only reason I added the unneeded redirect was because of the other redirects that used the format <move> (move). Removing them might help other users. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:59, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

== Berry Sprites ==

Shortly, I'm going to be creating pages for [[Kee Berry]] and [[Maranga Berry]]. I have sprites for them and [[Roseli Berry]], but I can't edit the file pages for the other berries to know what appropriate templates and categories need to be given to the files. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:54, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

== Shipping stubs ==

Hi Luna, I had a quick question for you. As you may know I'm not really even a shipper (when it comes to Pokémon at least), but nonetheless, I've come to believe that at least the most popular ships should still be documented for their history, impact on the fandom, canon references, etc. I think that for the shipping project to be taken seriously, many of the articles need a lot of improvement... (bad grammar, disorganized, lack of content, etc). While I personally think [[RocketShipping]] sets the example all the others should strive for, I appreciate that most ships haven't been around for as long, or the characters didn't interact as often, etc. So ultimately my point is - at what point is a shipping article no longer considered a stub? Having an idea of the criteria will help me clean up the articles, but it isn't really outlined on the {{bp|Project Shipping}} page. Thanks in advance! [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 03:34, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
:That would be a case-by-case decision. If it's clearly 'wow amaze' and huge, it's not a stub. If it's got every bit of information that can be squeezed out of it on there, even if it's small, then it's not a stub (though that might take knowledge on the couple itself). If it's gonna keep growing because it's current (Amour, Diode, whateverthey'recallednow), stub should stay on until it's either "big and/or extensive enough" or nearing the end of its run, like CafeMocha and Negai have. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 00:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

== Cafés need their own Article I think ==

I think the Cafés in Cyllage City, Laverre City and Anistar City should have their own article, perhaps one that showcases which Pokémon (if possible) can be seen there. I know the Johto beasts can be seen there, and I saw a Cyndaquil once. Is there enough to make these three into their own articles, or are they best kept on the city articles? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:57, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
:Honestly, I'm not sure. I also maxed out on species you can see in there, and without knowing what the limit is (because it's not just non-indigenous-to-Kalos species; I've been shown a Dunsparce), there's not much of a call to made, especially without research. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]]
::According to the JP guidebook 1, page 133...
::At Cyllage, which focuses on Central Kalos Pokémon, you can be shown Masquerain♂, Delcatty♀, Kecleon♂, Axew♂, Carvanha♂, Munchlax♂, Dunsparce♂, Pidgeotto♂, Ralts♀, Riolu♂, and after the Elite 4 also Hitmonchan♂, Minccino♀, Togepi♀, Sealeo♂, Magby♂, and Raikou.
::At Laverre, which focuses on Coastal Kalos Pokémon, you can be shown Kangaskhan♀, Mawile♀, Shellder♂, Bagon♂, Nidoking♂, Nidoqueen♀, Pachirisu♀, Staryu, Mime JR.♂, Yanma♂, and after the Elite 4 also Elekid♂, Hitmontop♂, Suicune, Porygon, Buneary♀, and Metang.
::At Anistar, which focuses on Mountain Kalos Pokémon, you can be shown Accelgor♂, Bonsly♂, Aron♂, Chandelure♂, Escavalier♂, Zorua♂, Lotad♂, Teddiursa♀, Patrat♀, Larvitar♂, and after the Elite 4 also Entei, Hitmonlee♂, Eelektrik♂, Glameow♀, Happiny♀, and Duskull♂.
::It also says that the one at the Terrace is deliberately chosen to be one you don't have, and the others are random. If there's Cyndaquil popping up too, perhaps it's not a full list, but hopefully this helps. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] ([[User talk:Bluesun|talk]]) 01:14, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
:::That certainly helps! Thank you, Bluesun. As for a page, Yami, you could make an argument for one, now. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 01:43, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
::::Well, I forget which café I saw the Cyndaquil in (pretty sure it was Cyllage or Laverre though. The old dude kicking the bucket kind of freaked me out, so I don't go to Anistar much >,>;; It was 2 weeks after E4, before I even went back to get my Pichu I left with him), but it was at the bar and it caught me off guard with both surprise and blinding jealousy that I wanted to bash the guy's head into the counter and take it. However that was before I knew about the Pokémon registering in the dex, but it was after the E4 and Looker Arc because I was bored and wanted to see if I could get TMs or something else from people in various buildings without looking online.

::::So there may be some random ones thrown in just for flavor, but your odds of seeing them are very slim my guess is. With 718 '''''Known''''' Pokémon, its probably more likely your game could glitch so that you'll run into a wild shinny Genesect before seeing a normal one in the Café. If I remember right, Guides are notorious for not showing everything, I mean even when it says "Complete Pokédex" new versions will have a even more complete dex like what happened with DPPt and BWB2W2. As for the Beasts, I in fact did see them at the Cafés mentioned, on the Terraces. And I'm actually at the counter in the Laverre café now, and the guy at the counter has a Suicune now.

::::I have yet to see Porygon-Z, so it seems the Terrace only generates pre-defined Pokémon you are likely to have not seen post E4. With the exception of the Johto beasts, most of those can be seen or obtained through breeding/evolution from Friend Safari Pokémon, so you could possibly see all the possible Terrace Pokémon in no time depending on luck.

::::I still am still getting the same message of "Excuse me! Did you check your Pokédex? There doesn't seem to be any Pokémon here you haven't seen... Do you still want to spend some time here?" and if I say no the guy promises "By your next visit, I'll make this café a café you'll love." But new Pokémon have yet to be generated. Besides Porygon-Z I have 43 legendary Pokémon I've yet to see/obtain which the game could easily generate if it was programmed to definitely generate Pokémon on the Terrace I've yet to see. So it does seem to have limitations to a point. I would also venture to guess that they have locked out some Pokémon from generating, so that secrete Pokémon can't pop up by chance. I mean if Hoopa and the other Ring Trio were real, it certainly would be a spoiler if a lucky person got to see one in the café before their official debut.

::::At the very least, we can probably make an article based off the guide listed Pokémon. I mean usually if its worthy enough of a section in a guide (can't believe they still make those let alone print them), it should be worthy of a article of its own. Natural Objects has its own article, and I think few people even know it exists. If not its own article, maybe put a list of the see-able Pokémon under each of the Café sections? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:58, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Here's a brief mock up of how the Pokémon listed in the guide would be shown. The colors used are taken from their respective cities.

'''Cyllage Café'''
{| class="roundy" style="background: #01796F; border: 2px solid #224634; margin:auto; text-align:center"
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | {{MSP|017|Pidgeotto}}
| {{p|Pidgeotto|Pidgeotto♂}}
| {{MSP|206|Dunsparce}}
| {{p|Dunsparce|Dunsparce♂}}
| {{MSP|280|Ralts}}
| {{p|Ralts|Ralts♀}}
| {{MSP|284|Masquerain}}
| {{p|Masquerain|Masquerain♂}}
| {{MSP|301|Delcatty}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{p|Delcatty|Delcatty♀}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="{{roundybl|5px}}" | {{MSP|318|Carvanha}}
| {{p|Carvanha|Carvanha♂}}
| {{MSP|352|Kecleon}}
| {{p|Kecleon|Kecleon♂}}
| {{MSP|446|Munchlax}}
| {{p|Munchlax|Munchlax♂}}
| {{MSP|447|Riolu}}
| {{p|Riolu|Riolu♂}}
| {{MSP|610|Axew}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{p|Axew|Axew♂}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="background: #8DB255; {{roundy|5px}}" | '''Post Game'''
|- style="background: #8DB255"
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | {{MSP|107|Hitmonchan}}
| {{p|Hitmonchan}}
| {{MSP|175|Togepi}}
| {{p|Togepi|Togepi♀}}
| {{MSP|240|Magby}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{p|Magby|Magby♂}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="{{roundybl|5px}}" | {{MSP|243|Raikou}}
| {{p|Raikou}}
| {{MSP|364|Sealeo}}
| {{p|Sealeo|Sealeo♂}}
| {{MSP|572|Minccino}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{p|Minccino|Minccino♀}}
|- style="background: #fff"
|}

'''Laverre Café'''
{| class="roundy" style="background: #D8B2D1; border: 2px solid #B57EDC; margin:auto; text-align:center"
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | {{MSP|031|Nidoqueen}}
| {{p|Nidoqueen}}
| {{MSP|034|Nidoking}}
| {{p|Nidoking}}
| {{MSP|090|Shellder}}
| {{p|Shellder|Shellder♂}}
| {{MSP|115|Kangaskhan}}
| {{p|Kangaskhan}}
| {{MSP|120|Staryu}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{p|Staryu}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="{{roundybl|5px}}" | {{MSP|193|Yanma}}
| {{p|Yanma|Yanma♂}}
| {{MSP|303|Mawile}}
| {{p|Mawile|Mawile♀}}
| {{MSP|371|Bagon}}
| {{p|Bagon|Bagon♂}}
| {{MSP|417|Pachirisu}}
| {{p|Pachirisu|Pachirisu♀}}
| {{MSP|439|Mime Jr.}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{p|Mime Jr.|Mime Jr.♂}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="background: #D6CADD; {{roundy|5px}}" | '''Post Game'''
|- style="background: #D6CADD"
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | {{MSP|137|Porygon}}
| {{p|Porygon}}
| {{MSP|237|Hitmontop}}
| {{p|Hitmontop}}
| {{MSP|239|Elekid}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{p|Elekid|Elekid♂}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="{{roundybl|5px}}" | {{MSP|245|Suicune}}
| {{p|Suicune}}
| {{MSP|375|Metang}}
| {{p|Metang}}
| {{MSP|427|Buneary}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{p|Buneary|Buneary♀}}
|- style="background: #fff"
|}

'''Anistar Café'''
{| class="roundy" style="background: #B87333; border: 2px solid #602F6B; margin:auto; text-align:center"
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | {{MSP|216|Teddiursa}}
| {{p|Teddiursa|Teddiursa♀}}
| {{MSP|246|Larvitar}}
| {{p|Larvitar|Larvitar♂}}
| {{MSP|270|Lotad}}
| {{p|Lotad|Lotad♀}}
| {{MSP|304|Aron}}
| {{p|Aron|Aron♂}}
| {{MSP|438|Bonsly}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{p|Bonsly|Bonsly♂}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="{{roundybl|5px}}" | {{MSP|504|Patrat}}
| {{p|Patrat|Patrat♀}}
| {{MSP|570|Zorua}}
| {{p|Zorua|Zorua♂}}
| {{MSP|589|Escavalier}}
| {{p|Escavalier|Escavalier♂}}
| {{MSP|609|Chandelure}}
| {{p|Chandelure|Chandelure♂}}
| {{MSP|617|Accelgor}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{p|Accelgor|Accelgor♂}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="background: #C3B091; {{roundy|5px}}" | '''Post Game'''
|- style="background: #C3B091"
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | {{MSP|106|Hitmonlee}}
| {{p|Hitmonlee}}
| {{MSP|244|Entei}}
| {{p|Entei}}
| {{MSP|355|Duskull}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{p|Duskull|Duskull♂}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| style="{{roundybl|5px}}" | {{MSP|431|Glameow}}
| {{p|Glameow|Glameow♀}}
| {{MSP|440|Happiny}}
| {{p|Happiny}}
| {{MSP|603|Eelektrik}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{p|Eelektrik|Eelektrik♂}}
|- style="background: #fff"
|}
I left Gender symbols off Unknown Gender and single gender Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 14:47, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

== The Friend Safari Topic ==

Luna, while I understand the point you are trying to make as far as listing the Friend Safari on species pages goes, I think it might just be time to put this to an end. This discussion has been going on for for more than three months and has gotten opinions from no less than a dozen users, and it does not seem like anyone who has not been involved in the discussion thus far is going to jump in at this point. I am not trying to criticize anyone here, but I think it might be time for staff to step in and make a final decision. It's gone from prolonged to outright ridiculous, and if it goes any longer, the species pages will become more and more inconsistent with one another. Please, if you could, just consider my standpoint here when I say that it's gone on too long, and people are just repeating themselves. Nothing new seems like it's going to come up. Regards, [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 16:33,2/5/2014 (UTC)

==Why did you undo the edit==
I'm posting this on your talk page because I want to avoid a edit war. But your undo on the edit for
the Mega Evolution page was an extremely foolish act and also a bit of a dick move. Dianice, Volcanion, Hoopa, and Mega Latios and Latias where all leaked by the same hacker, and if Dianice is real then it's pretty much next to immpossible for the others to be fake. So please don't act like stuff is not real when its obvious that it is real ever again
--[[User:AD2011|AD2011]] ([[User talk:AD2011|talk]]) 21:31, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
:Since ''only'' Diancie's been confirmed, it's the staff's call on whether or not to acknowledge the rest of the leaked list (including the Lati's Megaevos) since it's no small deal...and not a regular user's. Until the staff decide to acknowledge them (or until they're officially confirmed), the other leaks are to remain unmentioned. I'm sure you can understand that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 22:07, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

== Since you're on... ==

...I was wondering if you could unlock Diancie or something? I was wanting to fix a description in the biology section that's been bothering me, haha. --''[[User:FireGambit|'''Fire''']][[User talk:FireGambit|'''Gambit''']] [[Special:Contributions/FireGambit|Contribs]]'' 16:45, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
:No can do. All new pokémon articles are generally staff only until it's decided they aren't vandal bait. If you have any changes you want to make, you need to bring it to the talk page. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:54, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
::Alrighty, thank you. The edit I wanted to make was pretty simple, I just wanted to change this part: "Its lower body is rough, with a pink crystal growing from it." Could you just rewrite it? --''[[User:FireGambit|'''Fire''']][[User talk:FireGambit|'''Gambit''']] [[Special:Contributions/FireGambit|Contribs]]'' 17:08, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Yep, that's all! Thanks. -''[[User:FireGambit|'''Fire''']][[User talk:FireGambit|'''Gambit''']] [[Special:Contributions/FireGambit|Contribs]]'' 18:45, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

== Edit on Judgement(move) ==

Not saying you're in the wrong, but basically what had happened was:
* Greener changed the Trivia entry to include speculated information about an event Floette:
:14:08, March 2, 2014‎ Greener223224 (Talk | contribs)‎ . . (5,081 bytes) (+55)‎ . . (Please hurry up with the Event Floette page.)
* You removed the entire line of trivia:
:14:22, March 2, 2014‎ ArcToraphim (Talk | contribs)‎ m . . (4,899 bytes) (-182)‎ . . (→‎Trivia: Not notable if its below another in power.)
Wouldn't it have been a bit more proper to just revert the edit? Just pointing out what happened, given that I was about to revert. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 22:36, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
:Not sure what the play-by-play is for, but I stand by straight out removal being correct in both the short and long run.
:If Light of Ruin's power is greater, there's no point in keeping it if it's bound to be removed later once Light of Ruin is recognized; reverting it just to remove it later is silly. Along with that, I did considered a revert (because Light of Ruin technically isn't a "thing" ''yet'', so "technically" it remains true that Judgment would have the strongest move that deals Fairy-type damage), but then decided that Judgment shouldn't count as a Fairy-type move in the strictest sense, even if its type is linked to a Plate (since it's the same case for the Dark type, and you don't see that on Judgment's article, because its splitting hairs when one considers the possible power of Fling or Punishment, and despite that, {{m|Foul Play}} has the trivia point on Dark-type damage...which I make no calls on, in case you were going to ask). [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 01:56, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

== The Plot ==

I was wondering what i did wrong, i was the one that did the plot of x and y, so i can fix it and not do it again, sorry i'm kinda new at this.
--[[User:Xerptic|Xerptic]] ([[User talk:Xerptic|talk]]) 15:42, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
:The "plot" section is for following the storyline of the game in linear time, not written from the backstory to the start of the game. For an idea how the plot should be written, reviewing how it's done in the other articles ([[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions#Plot|RB]], [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions#Plot|GS]], [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions#Plot|RuSa]], [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions#Plot|DP]], and [[Pokémon Black and White Versions#Plot|BW]]), while keeping in mind the differences between both versions' stories, will help if you seriously want to give writing it a try. However, paraphrasing someone else's one-minute explanation of the plot is not how it's done, especially since half of the content of the video is either making assumptive claims (that do not belong in a place of fact) or flat-out wrong. So it's really for the best that you know the plot yourself before trying and not rely on an outside source's say-so. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:42, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

== Language...tags? ==

{{u|Mecanno-man}} is doing [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mecanno-man a lot of editing] of the language tags or whatever that appear at the end of many articles. I'm not 100% sure what purpose those serve (I think I know but I'm not ''sure'') and I'm not sure of any sort of policy regarding them, but I'm concerned that Mecanno-man's edits are not all appropriate. For instance, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Canalave_Library&diff=prev&oldid=2088131 here] he removes the Japanese tag in adding a German one. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ability&curid=60392&diff=2088138&oldid=2081686 Here] he removes Spanish and Portuguese tags while changing the French one. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Sinnoh_myths&diff=prev&oldid=2088132 Here] he just removes the German one and [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Rain&diff=prev&oldid=2087887 here] he just removes German, Italian, and Polish tags. And there are some others.

Should I just add back things I notice getting removed for no apparent good reason? Does Mecanno-man need to be warned to be more careful or something? I don't know these things... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:31, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

== Grand Duke and player character for Battle Chateau Trainer classes ==

A couple questions about some recent edits you made/particpated in. My main question: when you made [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Grand_Duchess_%28Trainer_class%29&diff=2093005&oldid=2081930 an edit] to the Grand Duchess page, you removed [[Serena]] (the player character) from the members. What was the reason you did that? I ask because IMO the player characters should count as members, and I'd like it to see it added back to that page and the other Chateau classes it's been removed from (by others).

My other question is a bit tangential to the first, but it may actually be closely related to that answer. Were you aware that the {{tc|Grand Duke}} page was [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/candidates-merging-moving-mainspacing-splitting-discussion-thread-114138/index16.html#post5114074 previously decided] to redirect to Calem, in lieu of [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:Schiffy/Grand_Duke_%28Trainer_class%29&action=history its own article]? Has the staff decided differently, or should the Grand Duke page be changed to redirect to Calem again...or...? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:03, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
:I removed Serena because Serena is only a Grand Duchess if the player gets the PC to that point, meaning it's optional, meaning it's misinformative to include her; as the NPC, she never acquires that title, and the intro already mentions that the PC ''may'' gain the title, which is enough. And linking to [[Serena]] just leads to the disambig, of which NONE are Grand Duchesses by default. If the NPC doesn't get the title, it should not include the PC (as you will notice that, aside from Red, no other PC is outright given the Champion title on their individual articles or even the Champion page, aside from the mention that the PC does technically earn the title ''if'' the player beats the game; the title itself is not default).
:Yes, I knew that reason, and that situation has clearly changed, as you can tell from the article itself. Calem, as the only male capable of being a Grand Duke, got the redirect for lack of any real subject, because that's all the information there was on the title ''at that time''. Now that the anime has given the title to a character who is not Calem (Grant), Calem is no longer a necessary vehicle and there is now enough information to at least give it its own article, small as it may be. So no, it will not be returned to a redirect back to Calem as, again, that's misinformative (since Calem's claim to the title is only dependent on the player) and ignores how the title is handled in another medium. I don't speak for the staff as a whole, but I'll go on a limb and say they would agree that it deserves its own article now, simply because of the anime. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 14:26, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
::I see. Thank you. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:28, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

== Romanizations on [[Species]] page ==

It looks like {{u|Soincfunt}} was the one who [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Species&diff=1559595&oldid=1557086 first decided] the Japanese names on [[Species]] should have hover-text romanizations, and since then, it appears people have followed that example. This includes you, in some of your [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Species&diff=2010799&oldid=2006949 latest edits].

IMO, those romanizations don't really serve any purpose; the translation column should be all that's necessary. When that sort of momentum has gone unchecked for so long (especially when a staff member has joined in), I'm not sure if I'd find myself "in the wrong" for removing so much content at once. So I'd like to know from a staff member (and one who's included romanizations): can I remove the romanizations? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:08, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
:Short answer: no.
:Long explanation: there are certain aspects that have Japanese transliterations listed somewhere. Moves, items, Abilities, characteristics, natures, and Pokémon names already do; why should species names be discounted? They may "serve no purpose," but they do remain a matter of interest, and there's no harm in preserving that. Since there is no '''List of species names in other languages''' article (but there probably should be), keeping the transliterations there serves the interest, even if they're in a tooltip. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:02, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
::I made [[User:Tiddlywinks/List of species in other languages|this]] then. I haven't at this point bothered moving the Species names that have hover-text into their proper alphabetized positions, that's just where they ended up with the sort I put them through. And I don't know if maybe you'd want to cut "Pokemon" from those cells, but that'd just be a simple find-and-replace.
::Can that be mainspaced and we just let it get filled in, and then I can remove the romanizations from [[Species]]? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:40, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
:::No? That might not even be the most optimum layout (the c/p of the tooltipped names is already a foreseeable issue), and a 1/3 filled table is hardly mainspace quality. I suggest if you're hankering for a fill, you may want to inspect the German/French/Italian wikis to speed up the process since you seem to be in a dire rush (why? it's incredibly low priority) to clean out the species page. ...Which seems to be possibly aiming for a new article name, so to save yourself a possible move, you may want to wait until that's resolved, too. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:00, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
::::Low priority? To me, that would just be an excuse. (Mostly likewise for the question of a move.) I don't like to waste time; I could do it, and fairly quickly, so I did. And now some users have started filling out parts of the table. We're improving the wiki now, rather than "later". That seems like a good thing, to me... If it takes forever to be filled in and mainspaced, that's how it'll have to be, but before I resign myself to that, I will check out the other wikis, thanks.
::::When you say the tooltipped names are an issue, though, what do you mean? Just that they should be in their proper alphabetic positions? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:18, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::Following your suggestion, I was able to fill in all but Spanish and Korean. Is that enough to mainspace it?
:::::We can still browse Poketeca via the Wayback Machine to fill in Spanish species (from before X/Y), but the Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis doesn't have a Korean member. I did find a Korean wiki on wikia, but is it okay if I copy species info from there? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:10, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::For the tooltips, yeah, they should be in a better order and done as an * instead of over the entire name; there's nothing actually special about different formatting that it requires so much attention. Also consider that there is Mouse and {{tt|Mouse|Rat}}: what's the difference? Who is the Mouse and who is the {{tt|Mouse|Rat}}? That only the species are listed only helps a little. Who do they belong to? Aqua Rabbit you might remember is Azumarill, but...what one or five or a million Flying types is called the Bird Pokémon? Plainly: it's probably best you actually list them in dex order with corresponding Pokémon in a separate column, otherwise it's not really informative, and differences that affect one name for one specific individual might not have affected others; who knows.
::::::Also, for Spanish names, you can use [http://www.pokemon.com/es/pokedex/ this]. You could also use it for Italian (it), French (fr), and German (de), if you desire to double-check things. It won't cover pre-Gen 6, but it'll correct what's different from the wikis, since that seems to be an issue (or you could go over to the wiki and ask about it). For Korean, yes, you can use the wikia's information since the species names are just plain fact. However, if you don't wish to use that, the online Korean dex is [http://pokemonkorea.co.kr/templates/default/dic/index.html here], though it lists only up to Genesect (meaning it's likely only Gen 5 info) and you cannot copy/paste (also, to bring up the Nat dex, there are 3 buttons on the top left; Nat dex is the middle one) (species names themselves are the line above the type listing) (so unless you're confident with a Hangul generator, you may want to stick with the wikia and use the dexes as a reference). The same goes for the Korean XY page, which would also have the species names [http://pokemonkorea.co.kr/?inc=xy-pokemon_01 here] up to Diancie.
::::::I know it's extra work to reseparate them back into Nat dex order with Pokémon attached, but with that, I'd say you ''could'' mainspace it without the Spanish and Korean not entirely filled in, but I would suggest a second opinion from another higher-up before doing so. If you filled in the rest before attempting to mainspace, you'd be good without one and I'd say go for it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 14:43, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks for the links and suggestions. I made changes and [[List of species in other languages|mainspaced the page]] with all columns filled in (minus Korean romanizations). If that was wrong or if I didn't actually make the right changes or something, please move it back to my userspace. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

== Steel Type Defenses ==

Regarding the defensive properties of steel, I think it makes no sense to not include immunities. What you really care about is that Steel is good at defending against X of Y types, not that it specifically takes 50% damage from X-1 of Y types. The fact that Steel was resistant or immune to all but 5 types is notable. The fact that it was resistant to all but 6 types is far less interesting. The immunity to poison can be elaborated on, but it should still be included in the numbers since that's what people actually care about. [[User:Gorypon|Gorypon]] ([[User talk:Gorypon|talk]]) 06:41, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
:It's not about being 'interesting', it's about being flat-out factual. Steel type has 10 resistances and 1 immunity, not 11 resistances and immunities. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 12:42, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

== Dragon Dance, Breeding ==

'Yeah it does' is a little vague. I've created a [[Talk:Dragon_Dance_(move)#Breeding_moves|section]] in the talk page for ''Dragon Dance'' for clarity, I'm just posting here to let you know because I don't imagine you'd get a notification. [[User:Concurrent|Concurrent]] ([[User talk:Concurrent|talk]]) 22:36, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I received a reply from somebody else faster than I anticipated. All's cleared up now, no worries. ~''Concurrent'' ([[User talk:Concurrent|talk]]) 00:59, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

== Channeler ==

After removing an unofficial Korean translation of [[Channeler (Trainer class)#In other languages|Channeler]] Trainer class I noticed in the page's history that I have already did the same thing once, yet you re-added the name soon after I removed it. Why did you do this? My justification of the edit was clearly stated in the edit summary. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] ([[User talk:Maxim|talk]]) 11:59, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
:Because I never checked the history. At the time I was looking into all the trainer classes checking which were missing what languages. It was a pure mistake because I forgot the RGBY games weren't translated into Korean. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 12:18, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
::Okay, then. Just wanted to make things clear in order to avoid further misunderstandings. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] ([[User talk:Maxim|talk]]) 14:27, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

== Grey ==

I added a move tag to [[Grey]]'s page if you want to take care of the moving part. I noticed that the episodes aired in the UK (which I don't own) have contained the wrong spelling. Should we wait until the episode airs in the US to avoid doing a whole bunch of edits in the long run fixing the names? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 13:28, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
:I don't think they "contain the wrong spelling" as much as it is people who don't use Closed Captioning are playing it by ear (which they should NOT be doing), unless the captions are different between the US and UK, but I've seen little proof of the latter and plenty of proof of the former. The only reason I didn't move ani!Grey or GB!Grey originally is because of the crossed medium; I ain't comfortable touching non-US translated manga 99% of the time. I'd rather have someone else's opinion or authority on the matter, which admittedly I...haven't actually sought...yet...ever. Idk. I'm dropping the ball on this one because I'm overthinking it. I really just don't want to move Gray to Grey (anime) until I know where [[Grey]] is going to wind up. It's less hassle in the long run. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 14:10, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
::To me, Grey is more of a color than name so the page is likely going to move, but still, I'll leave it for the staff to decide. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 19:06, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

== Glitch ==

Since I'm not exactly sure why you reverted my edit [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_glitches_in_Generation_VI&diff=2158789&oldid=2158788 here], can you please clarify a bit more why you reverted my edit? The Vivillon glitch is just as much of a glitch as most of the other purely graphical glitches. {{unsigned|Buffbills7701}}
:I thought I was perfectly clear: there is no outright proof it's a glitch and nothing something that is programmed to happen, for one reason or another. If it was any other pokémon whose form was not determined by location, I would agree it's a glitch. But, because it's Vivillon, there's an ocean of wiggle room as to why it's blank. If you could provide extensive proof on why it might be a glitch, please post as much to the [[Talk:List of glitches in Generation VI|talk page]] and it'll be reconsidered for addition.
:Also, please do not resign your comments when an {{template|unsigned}} template is put in place. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 18:01, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
::I understand what you're trying to say, but at the same time, you haven't cleared anything up. Are you trying to tell me that Nintendo/Game Freak purposely didn't add a Vivillon sprite for the Friend Safari? If the answer to that is no, then it constitutes as a glitch. [[User:Buffbills7701|Buffbills7701]] ([[User talk:Buffbills7701|talk]]) 20:02, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
::Since I have yet to receive a response, I am going to revert your edit. {{unsigned|Buffbills7701}}
:::Huh, I thought I had. My mistake, sorry. First off, forcing someone to say 'no' to a question like that (which assumes knowledge to the inner game code) is not the same as being right, because in turn, answer me this: are you telling me that Nintendo/Game Freak ''did'' add a Vivillon sprite for the Friend Safari, but it's not working? And if you say yes, where's your proof? Its absence in itself is not proof, so you need something more. This is also an argument for the glitch talk page, not mine, since the Vivillon thing has been removed before for its questionable validity as a glitch; I'm just sticking with the precedence of that decision. Secondly, lack of a response does not equal permission. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

== Chespin ==

Why did you undo my edit to {{p|Chespin}}? [[User:Fall Guy|Fall Guy]] ([[User talk:Fall Guy|talk]]) 21:18, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

== Shipping names ==

I was recommended to you from Super goku, since you're the project leader for Shipping. I've got ships in mind, as it says so on my discussion page. Two other ships I have (and I've seen the terms on fanfiction) is ReleaseShipping (Ash and Solidad) and Curtainshipping (Reggie and Maylene). Let me know! [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATERWARRIOR67]] ([[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|talk]]) 21:18, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

==Hoenn Pokedex problem==
A user created the [[List of Pokémon by ORAS Pokédex number]] for the new Hoenn Pokedex listing. The old page needs to be moved to something like List of Pokémon by RSE Pokédex number so the new Pokedex page can take its place. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 15:25, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

:The new Hoenn Pokedex list has not been added to the Template:Pokelist yet. Since only an administrator can edit it I will need you to take care of it. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 18:56, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

== Edit war ==

You were the only admin active recently when i sent this message. An edit war is going on with the two pages [[Pokémon in South Asia]] and [[List of Hindi Pokémon themes]]. Please lock these two pages for some time. --→[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:PikaTepig999?useskin=modern '''P'''ika'''T'''epig'''999'''] 14:18, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
:So I've lock the Hindi list for a couple days, but I don't see an "edit war" going on at the South Asia page, since it's only one person editing. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 14:35, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks for locking the Hindi themes page. But the South Asia article should also be locked as the user had removed important info and added unnecessary information. →[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:PikaTepig999?useskin=modern '''P'''ika'''T'''epig'''999'''] 14:37, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
:::I don't see that being necessary, at this time. If it were policy to lock pages when there's technically only been one instance of a user adding and removing information and one user undoing it, half the wiki would be inaccessible to editors. If an issue arises, yes it can be locked, but right now, there's no warrant for it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 14:48, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::Okay as you say. I have contacted the user on their talk page and will try to sort out matters. Thanks for your time. →[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:PikaTepig999?useskin=modern '''P'''ika'''T'''epig'''999'''] 15:11, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

== Really? ==

Where does it say that? I know I've read you can't delete messages (except by archiving), but that welcome template takes up a huge amount of real-estate. That should be an exception. It's not like I need to review it every time I go to my talk page. Also, since the welcome template is itself a "message", it's archivable as well. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:58, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

:And I also noticed you don't have a welcome template. Where's yours? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:00, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
::I joined before the welcome template came into use, so I never had one. On the matter at hand, please review the {{bp|Talk page policy#My user talk page|talk page policy}}, specifically the first sentence of the second paragraph of the linked section. You may wish to archive your current talk page, if you wish to be rid of your welcome template, and you won't need a new one on your new page. But if you do archive your current talk page, the template still needs to remain visible on that page. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:18, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
:::I've posted at the policy page. Since my talk page is very inactive (I usually don't cause issues and, when I visit someone else's page, I usually seek a reply on that page instead), it seems redundant to create an archive just to store a welcome template, and then basically post a link to my welcome template in the top of the page anyway. I might go ahead and archive the page at the end of the year (to start off 2015) since those are old (the last was in 2013!) anyway, and in that case the welcome message would be restored for archiving with everything else, but for now I just want it removed. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:40, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
::::Sorry, you still can't remove your welcome template, even if it'll be restored when you archive it. You're going to have to wait until you archive it to be free of it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:48, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::Just looked at your user page, I see you're a senior admin. I did post about this over at the policy page as well (Tiddly linked it in an edit comment, I went there). I just do not understand why the welcome template cannot just be removed. That's the question: '''WHY'''. The policy says, and I'm quoting:
::::::"Don't remove comments, including your initial welcome message. This is for historical purposes and so Bulbapedia staff don't give repeated warnings about the same thing."
:::::Responding to both points. historical purposes. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CycloneGU&oldid=1717798 This is historical enough.] I don't see why that doesn't suffice. Second point. Welcome templates are not something that would need to be repetitively posted. So I fail to understand WHY it must stay on the page. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:27, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
::::::I'm not a policy maker, nor do I have the power to change a policy. Historically it needs to remain visible so someone doesn't think you never got one, when in fact you did, much like how you aren't allowed to remove comments. So no, it's not enough that it's in the History. And it's not going to change arguing with me. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:53, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

== Zorua, event-exclusive? ==

{{u|Solar Dragon}} and I have come to an [[User talk:Glik#Zorua/Zoruark and Deoxys|impasse]] on whether or not Zorua and Zoroark should be considered as having formerly been event-exclusive. Can we get some official ruling? [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 20:31, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
:Sorry, I'm someone else, just happened to be here. If my opinion is welcomed, Zorua did not have a habitat until OR/AS, but Zoroark is available in Kalos on [[Kalos Route 20|Route 20]] and at the [[Pokémon Village]]. As far as Unova was concerned, I would say that Zorua/Zoroark were available via in-game events. You have to have a Gen. IV event to get either of them; otherwise they remain in their in-game NPC forms and are not capturable. I would call them event exclusive in B/W, but not in B2/W2 because Rood gives you the one at Driftveil when you go through (the one belonging to N that is all 30s in IVs). So my answer is no. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:37, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
::Honestly, I can see it going either way. Because Zoroark could be bred, and you did get Zorua's dex entry from being shown a picture, it was not impossible to acquire one without getting the event, as you could gain it through the GTS after seeing the image. You'll probably have to ask someone else for something more definitive. Sorry I can't help much. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:53, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

== Wally ==

Just curious what you meant [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Wally_%28game%29&diff=2221692&oldid=2221538 here] by "You couldn't word this any differently to not sound bias, either"?

And no, I'm not going to argue, don't worry. I just thought having one of the highest-leveled Pokémon in the main series was trivial material. And I was not aware of Barry, either. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 01:23, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
:You wrote two sentences. Let me break them down.
:::"Beginning from this battle, Wally has one of the highest leveled Pokémon held by a Trainer in the main series, with his Gallade reaching Lv.81."
:Unnotable for a section that's only supposed to be about the contents of the team, not pointing out something specific about his team. Even if this is where you ended, it would be reverted because it's trivia and certainly does not belong there. Now, if you had put it in the trivia section as
:::"Wally has one of the highest leveled Pokémon held by a Trainer in the main series, with his Gallade reaching Lv.81."
:that would also be removed, under "seconds don't apply". Even without Barry, it's unnotable because Red. But the bias (or maybe I'm looking for a different word) is in the second line.
:::"This puts it on par with Red's Pikachu, though Red's Pikachu at Lv.88 still outranks it."
:It sounds like comparison where no comparison should be made (hence the "bias"), and it reads like it's trying to get around "seconds aren't notable" by appearing encyclopedic when it's not. Put both together and it sounds like you're making Wally/his Gallade to be more than he/it is. It just doesn't belong there or anywhere on Wally's page, and there is no way to reword what you wrote to not be unnotable. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 02:08, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for breaking it down. Bias was certainly not the intention. To be honest, I'm surprised there isn't something like a list of the ten strongest Pokémon held by Trainers in the main series, which would make all on that list notable in their trivia sections with linkbacks; however, if there isn't, clearly it's because the only one notable is the highest, which - obviously - is Red's Lv.88 Pikachu.

::And no, I wasn't trying to show Gallade as better than Pikachu. I was just doing strict number comparisons. If it would be taken as being biased, then maybe it is better omitted. Still is the case of the third highest Pokémon in the games; granted, all are from originally playable characters or rivals and thus SHOULD be strong, so maybe it's not notable after all. GF let us down with Lv.66 rival battles in the Gen. V post-game. LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:15, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

== TM/HM Moves Contest Data ==

Working on a project for this, after which anywhere from 5-15 minutes of work per Pokémon will allow for quick editing of every TM list. I have so far verified most of the moves either using data supplied to Pokémon pages here (an example being {{p|Treecko}}) or independently verified in the game personally. Down to 23 moves remaining, and I had a long bit typed out, but I just answered that question, so I'm now omitting it. I do have other questions, however!

To clarify what I'm up to, I'm creating in my userspace later this evening a blanket list of all 101 TMs (including the old [[TM94]] {{m|Rock Smash}}) and 7 HMs with all contest data; BTW, I should note I plan to have the data reviewed in my userspace before I start blanket editing with it as I would hate to draw red flags editing all the TM lists one at a time (you're welcome to help, and I have other editors in mind as well). The idea is that trimming the list based on the existing data for each Pokémon will quickly create the correct TM list, and then it just needs a few changes for Rock Smash and Dive, and also to add {{m|Secret Power}} to every list (except those who can't learn TMs).

This will turn into a project I request editor assistance with once it's ready to go; I can provide full directions to anyone helping and follow up on the edits to ensure they are done right, and keep a checklist locally (updated periodically) of Pokémon who are completed. Am I correct that such a project request would go in the forum section, or would I get a good response on-wiki somewhere (as in the Editor's Hub)? Should I even do both to maximize response? I do plan to create a few local copies of some Pokémon TM lists before asking for help, as well, and thus get a better idea of the timeframe for this project, and I know I'm away most of Christmas Eve so I will probably only follow up that evening, maybe a few edits, and then really start editing, at the earliest, on Christmas evening itself (if I don't go Boxing Day shopping on Friday - this is a Canadian thing). [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:58, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

:UPDATE: [[User:CycloneGU/TMHM6|Posted the page.]] That page should not need any other editing as is, and can serve as a reference portal for copying TM move data into tables. Feel free to offer commentary if you'd like (preferably here or my talk page); I'll create a proper discussion page later if needed, but I don't think it will be necessary. Going to ask a few other editors for opinions in the morning as well, and I can start with some tables for early catch Pokémon (such as [[Hoenn Route 101|Route 101]]) to try it out and figure out timeframes as I have time during the day. Hopefully, by evening, I can spend time editing a bunch of additional Hoenn specimen tables. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 08:23, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

== My Game Update ==

I must be the luckiest son-of-a-gun around.

Got those three Pokémon from earlier. Realized I forgot Shoal Cave. Got it. Realized I never evolved a MEditite to clear Medicham from Mt. Pyre. Said screw it. Went to Route 128 and dove, got through with injuries. Healed. Planned (badly) for a team but remembered to take Swampert, who I taught the new Earthquake TM I had just picked up (he ended up using Mud Bomb more, an Egg Move, with two attacks going to the red). I had to revive it once. It fainted and I had a Sharpedo and [[List_of_local_event_Pok%C3%A9mon_distributions_in_Generation_VI#Minato_Mirai_PikachuSurfing Pikachu|Surfing Pikachu]] left.

The tenth Ultra Ball clicked by some small miracle. So I'm off to the Gym after a charge (might be tomorrow), then I'll be spending a lot of time hunting down all of the TMs once I can climb waterfalls (I know Meteor Falls is hiding something). So the edited list review will be happening earlier than planned, and I'll spend a bunch of time grabbing all the TMs (are there any I can't get until the Hall of Fame?) before moving on to editing additional lists myself. I feel breeding babies of everything will let me quickly scan them all in Pokédex order, which is how I'm going through Hoenn. Thank goodness I can clone items that get me a bunch of money to buy those expensive TMs at Lilycove! =D [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:33, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

== Breeding lists ==

Why did you revert my edits? It doesn't seem factually accurate to exclude those Pokémon from the list when they can get those moves completely legitimately and can pass them down. For example, excluding Persian from the list for Pay Day implies that you have to have to keep Meowth from evolving to pass the move down to Purrloin, even though that's obviously not the case. So why shouldn't the evolutions be included? --[[User:Old School Pokémaster|Old School Pokémaster]] ([[User talk:Old School Pokémaster|talk]]) 19:29, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
:It is, in fact, accurate to only list pokémon who can know the move in its most immediate form. In the case of Pay Day, including Persian implies that Persian can have access to that move no matter what the case, which is incorrect. A Persian might know the move if the Meowth it evolved from has retained it, BUT a Persian who evolved from a Meowth who didn't know Pay Day is not a viable father to pass the move down because it cannot relearn it, ergo making it false advertising that Persian in general can pass it down, because not all Persian have access to it.
:In an effort to keep the lists as simple as possible, we only include parents that are the quickest way to obtain the move under three categories: level-up, TM/MTs, and chain breeding, and they are not intermixed. When chain breeding is necessary, only include the earliest breedable form of an evolutionary line that's quickest in line to pass it down (if a pokémon is compatible to breed with a pokémon that take two fathers and a pokémon that takes three fathers, only include the one that takes two fathers). When breeding from TM or Move Tutor, only include those that can learn the move themselves (so if an evolution can't learn it, we don't list the evolution, which is why I removed Bellossom from Gen II, but you're correct to add it to Gen III and IV, as far as I can tell). That's how we do it here. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

== Kyogre Pronunciation ==

Please cite your source on "Kaiorga" being the official romanization. I've seen sources that show it's ''trademarked'', but not that it's "official." In fact, the "official" romanization seems to simply be "Kyogre." The actual pronunciation of カイオーガ is "Kaiōga." Granted, a long "o" noise in Japanese is often used to represent an "or" noise, but that's never the romanization. The romanization is usually "ou" or "ō." As well, the trademarked pronunciations are often not used, even in Japan. Why would we use the trademark over the hepburn in this case, especially when it makes so little sense linguistically?
--[[User:Valkyrja Magier|Valkyrja Magier]] ([[User talk:Valkyrja Magier|talk]]) 04:05, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:Me, I don't have one; I just know you tried to put Kaiōga in the tmname field, which is short for "trade mark name", which Kaiōga is not. But unless you can provide a source that shows Japan romanizes カイオーガ as Kyogre, you're going to have a hard time arguing that's the intended romanized spelling. We put the trademark on the frontline to best represent what the Japanese spellings were going for to the best of their linguistic ability. Consider why would Zorua be trademarked and outright romanized as Zorua in Japan and not Zoroa, when that's what the katakana spells? We don't argue with trademarks.
:But you need to argue with someone else about making any sort of change like that. I'm simply holding up precedent. I suggest the forums, specifically the bulbawiki section. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 04:30, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::Why does the page not list the transliteration as well, then? I can see (and agree with) your points (and was admittedly unaware of the trade mark name field), but not listing the proper pronunciation seems intentionally misleading. The point of putting rōmaji next to kana is generally to allow the reader to understand how the characters are pronounced, not simply to list an "official" romanization. I don't propose we oust the trademark, but simply list the pronunciation along with it (e.g. "(Japanese: カイオーガ ''Kaiōga'', trade marked ''Kaiorga'')"). --[[User:Valkyrja Magier|Valkyrja Magier]] ([[User talk:Valkyrja Magier|talk]]) 04:52, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:::In point of fact, we actually don't do "romanizations" as in "how the Japanese is pronounced" very often (mostly in songs). In the "(Japanese: <jp> ''<italics>'') format, the italics are actually supposed to be the translation. See pretty much any page besides Pokemon or characters (e.g., [[Granite Cave]] or [[TM]]). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:11, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::::The romanization ''is'' there. It's in the infobox. If you hover your cursor over the Kaiorga text, a box should appear with Kaiōga.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:16, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::(What they said, too, but I'm not rewriting this again, so I apologize.) We do list it? The transliteration is in the tooltip of the katakana on the template, in the event the trademark and transliteration are different from one another (see {{p|Bulbasaur}} vs {{p|Clefable}}). Why are they not out in the open? Because the trademark is the more important information being offered; how it's actually spelled is trivia in comparison. The fact that there are romanizations that are trademarked and slapped on merchandise that are not transliterations should tell you that this is what the developers were aiming for, and it wasn't enough for katakana to display alone. We try to honor that as best we can.
:::::Why's it not included in the first line? We try to keep that format as tidy as possibly; throwing in transliterations means pages like {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt|this}} are only bound to get messier. A Pokémon's trademark is as close to a translation as one gets, so that's the format. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 05:32, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

== Ship ==

Is it possible to add Froakie and Sylveon as a ship?-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 23:22, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
:A few things, but we'll start with: As a full article? No. A one-off character and the relationship having no bearing on the episode does not make it particularly notable that it deserves its own article at this time. I'm not entirely sure it's worth being added to [[Shipping:List of anime shippings|here]], either.
:Two: the pairing is called MoonPulseshipping; WaterNymphshipping is the name of Misty/Valerie, so the name cannot stand as is, if any bit of it where to reach the shippingspace. A note for you.
:Three: When editing your comment, don't resign it to change the timestamp. Preferably, you shouldn't be editing your comment so long after you posted it, either, so pray take care not to, next time. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
::(No editing comments, got it) Ah, I see. Too bad it can't have an article, I just like to include small things like that. I'll change the name. By the way, is there any tips to make a suitable shipping page? I'm new to shipping.-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 22:03, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

== why? ==

why did you undo my trivia for ice-type? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 22:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Ice (type)

2015-03-05T15:54:16Z

Valehd: /* Trivia */

{{types}}
The '''Ice type''' (Japanese: '''こおりタイプ''' ''Ice type'') is one of the eighteen [[type]]s. Notable Trainers who specialize in Ice-type Pokémon are [[Lorelei]] former member of the [[Indigo Plateau]] [[Elite Four]], [[Pryce]] of [[Mahogany Town]], [[Glacia]] of the [[Hoenn]] Elite Four, [[Candice]] of [[Snowpoint City]], [[Brycen]] former [[Gym Leader]] of [[Icirrus City]], and [[Wulfric]] of [[Snowbelle City]]. Prior to [[Generation IV#Advances in gameplay|changes in Generation IV]], all Ice-type moves were [[special move|special]], but they may now also be [[physical move|physical]] depending on the attack.

==Statistical averages==
===Overall===
{{BaseStatNoCat|
type=ice |
HP=73.93 |
Attack=75.13 |
Defense=71.57 |
SpAtk=79.13 |
SpDef=80.23 |
Speed=69.60 |
Total=449.60 }}

===Fully evolved===
{{BaseStatNoCat|
type=ice|
HP=81.89 |
Attack=83.26 |
Defense=83.26 |
SpAtk=90.37 |
SpDef=93.26 |
Speed=79.21 |
Total=511.26 }}


==Battle properties==
===Generation I===
Ice-type Pokémon cannot be {{status|frozen}} by Ice-type moves.

{{typebattle
|type=Ice|weakto2=Fire
|weakto3=Rock
|resist1=Ice
|weaken1=Dragon
|weaken2=Flying
|weaken3=Grass
|weakto1=Fighting

|weaken4=Ground
|resisted1=Ice
|resisted2=Water
}}

===Generation II onwards===
Ice-type Pokémon are immune to {{weather|Hail}} weather damage.

Starting in [[Generation III]], Ice-type Pokémon cannot be {{status|frozen}}.

{{typebattle
|type=Ice
|weakto1=Fighting
|weakto2=Fire
|weakto3=Rock
|weakto4=Steel
|resist1=Ice
|weaken1=Dragon
|weaken2=Flying
|weaken3=Grass
|weaken4=Ground
|resisted1=Fire
|resisted2=Ice
|resisted3=Steel
|resisted4=Water
}}

==Characteristics==
===Defense===
The Ice type is considered by many to be the worst of all types defensively. It only resists itself and is immune to [[Freeze (status ailment)|freezing]] and the effects of {{weather|hail}}, while carrying weaknesses to {{t|Fire}}, {{t|Fighting}}, {{t|Rock}}, and {{t|Steel}}. Additionally, double weaknesses are common amongst Ice types, especially to the {{t|Fighting}} type. As a result, most Ice types have more weaknesses than resistances.

However, some Ice types, such as {{p|Avalugg}}, have high defenses in order to compensate for their many weaknesses, which can help them withstand {{DL|Damage modification|super effective|super-effective}} attacks and remain on the field longer.

===Offense===
Offensively, because the fact that double weaknesses to Ice are fairly common, especially due to {{t|Dragon}} and {{t|Flying}} types, Ice is one of the most commonly-used attacking types. Ice also pairs well with other common attacking types, notably {{t|Ground}} and {{t|Electric}}. Ice-type Pokémon can use few {{type|Water}} moves, which cover their weaknesses to Fire and Rock.

{{type|Water}} Pokémon are often compared with Ice-type Pokémon, as most of the former can also effectively use Ice attacks, which cover their major weakness of {{t|Grass}} and {{t|Dragon}}, which resists their moves. However, some Ice types have an advantage over Water types due to the introduction of {{m|Freeze-Dry}} in [[Generation VI]] (an Ice-type move that exclusively learned by Ice types), as it can deal {{DL|Damage modification|super effective|super-effective}} damage against most Water types.

===Contest properties===
When used in [[Pokémon Contest]]s, most Ice-type moves become {{OBP|Beautiful|condition}} moves, with two {{OBP|Cool|condition}} moves being the only exceptions.

==Pokémon==
As of Generation VI, there are 35 Ice-type Pokémon or 4.8% of all Pokémon (counting [[Form differences|forms]] and [[Mega Evolution]]s that change typing as different Pokémon), making it the second-rarest type, behind {{t|Ghost}}.

===Pure Ice-type Pokémon===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{ice color light}}; border: 5px solid #{{ice color}};"
|-
|
{| border=1 width="100%" class="sortable" style="margin:auto; background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #{{ice color light}}; border-collapse:collapse;"
|-style="background: #{{ice color light}};"
! #
!
! Name
|-
|351
|{{MSP|351H|Castform}}
|{{p|Castform|Snowy Castform}}
|-
|361
|{{MSP|361|Snorunt}}
|{{p|Snorunt}}
|-
|362
|{{MSP|362|Glalie}}
|{{p|Glalie}}
|-
|362
|{{MSP|362M|Glalie}}
|{{p|Glalie|Mega Glalie}}
|-
|378
|{{MSP|378|Regice}}
|{{p|Regice}}
|-
|471
|{{MSP|471|Glaceon}}
|{{p|Glaceon}}
|-
|582
|{{MSP|582|Vanillite}}
|{{p|Vanillite}}
|-
|583
|{{MSP|583|Vanillish}}
|{{p|Vanillish}}
|-
|584
|{{MSP|584|Vanilluxe}}
|{{p|Vanilluxe}}
|-
|613
|{{MSP|613|Cubchoo}}
|{{p|Cubchoo}}
|-
|614
|{{MSP|614|Beartic}}
|{{p|Beartic}}
|-
|615
|{{MSP|615|Cryogonal}}
|{{p|Cryogonal}}
|-
|712
|{{MSP|712|Bergmite}}
|{{p|Bergmite}}
|-
|713
|{{MSP|713|Avalugg}}
|{{p|Avalugg}}
|}
|}

===Half Ice-type Pokémon===
====Primary Ice-type Pokémon====
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{ice color light}}; border: 5px solid #{{ice color}};"
|-
|
{| border=1 width="100%" class="sortable" style="margin:auto; background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #{{ice color light}}; border-collapse:collapse;"
|-style="background: #{{ice color light}};"
! #
!
! Name
! Type 1
! Type 2
|-
|124
|{{MSP|124|Jynx}}
|{{p|Jynx}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|144
|{{MSP|144|Articuno}}
|{{p|Articuno}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|220
|{{MSP|220|Swinub}}
|{{p|Swinub}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
|-
|221
|{{MSP|221|Piloswine}}
|{{p|Piloswine}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
|-
|225
|{{MSP|225|Delibird}}
|{{p|Delibird}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|238
|{{MSP|238|Smoochum}}
|{{p|Smoochum}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|363
|{{MSP|363|Spheal}}
|{{p|Spheal}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|364
|{{MSP|364|Sealeo}}
|{{p|Sealeo}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|365
|{{MSP|365|Walrein}}
|{{p|Walrein}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|473
|{{MSP|473|Mamoswine}}
|{{p|Mamoswine}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
{{typetable|Ground}}
|-
|478
|{{MSP|478|Froslass}}
|{{p|Froslass}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|}
|}

====Secondary Ice-type Pokémon====
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{ice color light}}; border: 5px solid #{{ice color}};"
|-
|
{| border=1 width="100%" class="sortable" style="margin:auto; background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #{{ice color light}}; border-collapse:collapse;"
|-style="background: #{{ice color light}};"
! #
!
! Name
! Type 1
! Type 2
|-
|087
|{{MSP|087|Dewgong}}
|{{p|Dewgong}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|091
|{{MSP|091|Cloyster}}
|{{p|Cloyster}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|131
|{{MSP|131|Lapras}}
|{{p|Lapras}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|215
|{{MSP|215|Sneasel}}
|{{p|Sneasel}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|459
|{{MSP|459|Snover}}
|{{p|Snover}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|460
|{{MSP|460|Abomasnow}}
|{{p|Abomasnow}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|460
|{{MSP|460M|Abomasnow}}
|{{p|Abomasnow|Mega Abomasnow}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|461
|{{MSP|461|Weavile}}
|{{p|Weavile}}
{{typetable|Dark}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|479
|{{MSP|479R|Rotom}}
|{{p|Rotom|Frost Rotom}}{{tt|*|Electric/Ghost-type in Generation IV}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|644
|{{MSP|646|Kyurem}}
|{{p|Kyurem}}
{{typetable|Dragon}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|644
|{{MSP|646B|Kyurem}}
|{{p|Kyurem|Black Kyurem}}
{{typetable|Dragon}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|644
|{{MSP|646W|Kyurem}}
|{{p|Kyurem|White Kyurem}}
{{typetable|Dragon}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|698
|{{MSP|698|Amaura}}
|{{p|Amaura}}
{{typetable|Rock}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|699
|{{MSP|699|Aurorus}}
|{{p|Aurorus}}
{{typetable|Rock}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|}
|}

==Moves==
{{movelist/battle-head|Ice}}
{{movelist/battle|1|Aurora Beam|Special|Beautiful|65|100|20|anyadjacent|The target is hit with a rainbow-colored beam. This may also lower the target's Attack stat.}}
{{movelist/battle|4|Avalanche|Physical|Cool|60|100|10|anyadjacent|An attack move that inflicts double the damage if the user has been hurt by the target in the same turn.}}
{{movelist/battle|1|Blizzard|Special|Beautiful|110|70|5|adjacentfoes|A howling blizzard is summoned to strike the opposing team. It may also freeze them solid.}}
{{movelist/battle|6|Freeze-Dry|Special|Beautiful|70|100|20|anyadjacent|The user rapidly cools the target. This may also leave the target frozen. This move is super effective on {{t|Water}} types.}}
{{movelist/battle|5|Freeze Shock|Physical|Beautiful|140|90|5|anyadjacent|On the second turn, the user hits the target with electrically charged ice. It may leave the target with paralysis.}}
{{movelist/battle|5|Frost Breath|Special|Beautiful|60|90|10|anyadjacent|The user blows a cold breath on the target. This attack always results in a critical hit.}}
{{movelist/battle|5|Glaciate|Special|Beautiful|65|95|10|adjacentfoes|The user attacks by blowing freezing cold air at opposing Pokémon. This attack reduces the targets' Speed stat.}}
{{movelist/battle|3|Hail|Status|Beautiful|—|100|10|all|The user summons a hail storm lasting five turns. It damages all Pokémon except the Ice type.}}
{{movelist/battle|1|Haze|Status|Beautiful|—|100|30|all|The user creates a haze that eliminates every stat change among all the Pokémon engaged in battle.}}
{{movelist/battle|3|Ice Ball|Physical|Beautiful|30|90|20|anyadjacent|The user continually rolls into the target over five turns. It becomes stronger each time it hits.}}
{{movelist/battle|1|Ice Beam|Special|Beautiful|90|100|10|anyadjacent|The target is struck with an icy-cold beam of energy. It may also freeze the target solid.}}
{{movelist/battle|5|Ice Burn|Special|Beautiful|140|90|5|anyadjacent|On the second turn, an ultracold, freezing wind surrounds the target. This may leave the target with a burn.}}
{{movelist/battle|4|Ice Fang|Physical|Cool|65|95|15|anyadjacent|The user bites with cold-infused fangs. It may also make the target flinch or leave it frozen.}}
{{movelist/battle|1|Ice Punch|Physical|Beautiful|75|100|15|anyadjacent|The target is punched with an icy fist. It may also leave the target frozen.}}
{{movelist/battle|4|Ice Shard|Physical|Beautiful|40|100|30|anyadjacent|The user flash freezes chunks of ice and hurls them at the target. This move always goes first.}}
{{movelist/battle|5|Icicle Crash|Physical|Beautiful|85|90|10|anyadjacent|The user attacks by harshly dropping an icicle onto the target. It may also make the target flinch.}}
{{movelist/battle|3|Icicle Spear|Physical|Beautiful|25|100|30|anyadjacent|The user launches sharp icicles at the target. It strikes two to five times in a row.}}
{{movelist/battle|2|Icy Wind|Special|Beautiful|55|95|15|adjacentfoes|The user attacks with a gust of chilled air. It also lowers the targets' Speed stat.}}
{{movelist/battle|1|Mist|Status|Beautiful|—|100|30|team|The user cloaks its body with a white mist that prevents any of its stats from being cut for five turns.}}
{{movelist/battle|2|Powder Snow|Special|Beautiful|40|100|25|adjacentfoes|The user attacks with a chilling gust of powdery snow. It may also freeze the targets.}}
{{movelist/battle|3|Sheer Cold|Special|Beautiful|—|30|5|anyadjacent|The target is attacked with a blast of absolute-zero cold. The target instantly faints if it hits.}}
{{movelist/battle-foot|Ice}}

==Abilities==
===Interacting with Ice-type===
When it is {{weather|hailing}}, {{a|Forecast}} will transform the user into the Ice-type. Pokémon with the ability {{a|Color Change}} will be changed into an Ice-type after it is hit with a Ice-type move. {{a|Protean}} will change its user into the Ice-type when it uses an Ice-type move. When a Pokémon with {{a|Multitype}} holds an [[Icicle Plate]], it will become an Ice-type Pokémon. When a Pokémon with {{a|Imposter}} is sent out and its opposite opponent is Ice-type, it will transform into that Pokémon and have its Ice-typing.

{| width="70%" class="roundy sortable" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background:#{{Ice color}}; border: 2px solid #{{Ice color dark}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{Ice color light}}; {{roundytl|8px}}" | Gen
! style="background:#{{Ice color light}};" | Ability
! style="background:#{{Ice color light}}; {{roundytr|8px}}" class="unsortable" | Description
|-
! width="30px" style="background:#{{kalos color}}; border: 1px solid #{{kalos color dark}}" | VI
| width="100px" style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8" | {{acolor|Refrigerate|000}}
| style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8; text-align:left;" | Normal-type moves become Ice-type moves.
|-
! width="30px" style="background:#{{hoenn color}}; border: 1px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}" | III
| width="100px" style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8" | {{acolor|Thick Fat|000}}
| style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8; text-align:left;" | Boosts resistance to Fire- and Ice-type moves.
|-
! colspan="3" style="background:#{{Ice color light}}; {{roundybottom|8px}}" |All details are accurate to Generation VI games. For details that have changed between generations, please see an individual Ability's page.
|}

===Exclusive Abilities===
Only Ice-type Pokémon can have these Abilities. This does not include [[Signature Ability|signature Abilities]].
{| width="70%" class="roundy sortable" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background:#{{Ice color}}; border: 2px solid #{{Ice color dark}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{Ice color light}}; {{roundytl|8px}}" | Gen
! style="background:#{{Ice color light}};" | Ability
! style="background:#{{Ice color light}}; {{roundytr|8px}}" class="unsortable" | Description
|-
! width="30px" style="background:#{{kalos color}}; border: 1px solid #{{kalos color dark}}" | VI
| width="100px" style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8" | {{acolor|Refrigerate|000}}
| style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8; text-align:left;" | Normal-type moves become Ice-type moves.
|-
! width="30px" style="background:#{{sinnoh color}}; border: 1px solid #{{sinnoh color dark}}" | IV
| width="100px" style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8" | {{acolor|Snow Cloak|000}}
| style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8; text-align:left;" | Boosts evasion in a hailstorm.
|-
! width="30px" style="background:#{{sinnoh color}}; border: 1px solid #{{sinnoh color dark}}" | IV
| width="100px" style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8" | {{acolor|Snow Warning|000}}
| style="background:#FFFFFF; border: 1px solid #D8D8D8; text-align:left;" | The Pokémon summons a hailstorm when it enters a battle.
|-
! colspan="3" style="background:#{{Ice color light}}; {{roundybottom|8px}}" |All details are accurate to Generation VI games. For details that have changed between generations, please see an individual Ability's page.
|}

==Trivia==
* [[Generation V]] introduced the most Ice-type Pokémon of any generation, with {{tt|eight|including Frost Rotom}}, and [[Generation VI]] introduced the fewest Ice-type Pokémon, with four.
* [[Generation I]] introduced the most Ice-type moves of any generation, with six, and Generation VI introduced the fewest Ice-type moves, with only {{m|Freeze-Dry|one}}.
* Although the Ice type existed since Generation I, pure Ice-type Pokémon were not introduced until [[Generation III]].
* Similar to {{type|Fire}} moves, all Ice-type moves were {{OBP|Beautiful|condition}} moves in Generation III.
* Only the {{t|Normal}} type has a lower number of resistances than the Ice type, having no resistances (but one immunity). Ice only resists itself.
* There has been a [[Gym Leader]] or [[Elite Four]] member who specializes in the Ice type introduced in each generation. Three of the Ice-type [[Gym Leader]]s, [[Pryce]], [[Candice]], and [[Brycen]], are the seventh Gym Leaders in their respective region. [[Wulfric]] is the exception, being the eighth in his region.
* Ice is the only type that is super effective against the {{t|Flying}} type that does not in turn resist Flying-type moves.
** It is also the only type that is super effective against the {{t|Grass}} type that does not in turn resist Grass-type moves.
* Ice-type attacks are resisted by all types that {{type|Water}} Pokémon resist.
* [[Froslass]] is the only Ice-type Pokémon that is also a Ghost-type.

==In other languages==
{{langtable
|color={{ice color}}|bordercolor={{ice color light}}
|ja=こおり (氷) ''Kōri''
|zh_cmn=冰 ''Bīng''
|nl=IJs
|fi=Jää
|fr=Glace
|da=Is
|de=Eis
|no=Is
|el=Πάγου ''Pagou''
|he=קרח ''Kerach''
|id=Es
|it=Ghiaccio
|ko=얼음 ''Eol'eum''
|pl=Lodowy
|pt_br=Gelo
|pt_eu=Gelo
|ru=Ледяной ''Ledyanoi''
|es=Hielo
|sk=Ľadový
|ro=Gheață
|sv=Is
|th=น้ำแข็ง
|vi=Hệ Băng
}}

[[de:Eis (Typ)]]
[[es:Tipo Hielo]]
[[fr:Glace]]
[[it:Ghiaccio (tipo)]]
[[ja:こおり]]
[[pl:Lód (typ)]]
[[pt:Tipo Ice]]
[[zh:冰（属性）]]

User:Valehd

2015-02-26T03:38:53Z

Valehd: /* BAD of poke OH NUUUUUUU */ new section

hey, i am a random derp who loves pokemen. i don't really care much about grammar, as you can see. my favorite pokeman is mewtwo cuz...hez awesome... and yah. i play super smush brothers a lot. my favorite characters in each game are bowser, mewtwo, mr. gamey watch and pac-man. my favorite POKEMON in each of the games in the series is pikachu, mewtwo, lucario, and greninja.

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#1: no inappropriate stuff
this includes bad pictures, words, or whatever.

#2: grammar, spelling, or anything else is not required
this does not mean they are not allowed, i am saying this because i usually spell my own way, and like i said before, I DON'T CARE MUCH ABOUT GRAMMAR. i also say this because it is ok to make mistakes.

#3: be nice
i say this because i don't want venial sins to lead to mortal sins. venial sin is minor sin and mortal sin is major sin. it counts as a mortal sin to break any of my rules so be careful!

#4: check my talk page
i'm not saying you actually have to but just...check it, ok?

#5, the most important rule: have fun!

== itsa meh, malleo! *boom* GO WEEJEEH! ==

i am 9 and i go to catholic school (i won't tell you which one) and i love video games,especially pokemen and super smush brothers. the pokeman games i actually own are white 2 and typing adventure. the pokeman games my brother owns are green and snap. i like broccoli, especcially when it it dipped in ice creem. thats all i can say. wait, what?

== usertags (testing) ==

<div class="userbox">
{{User Mudkip}}
{{User Starter|501|Oshawott}}
{{User Artist}}
</div>

== smash Brothers Information ==

i am like level 4 aaaaaand i leik bowser especially pink bowser and online everyone neglects me while i play as greninja and i beat adventure mode in meelee and i quit brawl because of a few beta pictures and a creepy nightmare and on the wii u it is so epic cuz yah and my favorite attack is bowser's side smash attack. my favorite character is actually pac-man for some reason. yah.

== tEH VALEHD POKEDEXXXXXXXXXXXx ==

valehd: the derp pokemon

lolwut

ok so my favorite pokemon iz mewtwo kuz yah and... uh...
my favorite region is unova and my starter is sammurottai.

== the good of poke ==

its awesome,
it has very much improved, yes yes,
epic moozeek ,
i can play LAVENDER TOWNNNNNNN on teh pianoh,
ash is voiced by a girl,
it looks better wif glasses ,
samurott is kul,
victini is supposed to look better for girls HAHA,
water rules the world AAAAAAAH HELP MAH,
ok then ,
fine,
don't help me

== BAD of poke OH NUUUUUUU ==

electric beats water,
emboar does FALCON PAWNCH on oshywotts faic,
epic failz,
episode 38 is gone forever,
me and mom are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind,
yes,yes.

User:Valehd

2015-02-26T03:35:18Z

Valehd: /* the good of poke */

User:Valehd

2015-02-26T03:34:46Z

Valehd: /* the good of poke */ new section

hey, i am a random derp who loves pokemen. i don't really care much about grammar, as you can see. my favorite pokeman is mewtwo cuz...hez awesome... and yah. i play super smush brothers a lot. my favorite characters in each game are bowser, mewtwo, mr. gamey watch and pac-man. my favorite POKEMON in each of the games in the series is pikachu, mewtwo, lucario, and greninja.

WARNING: I HAVE RULES THAT YOU MUST FOLLOW NO MATTER WHAT:

#1: no inappropriate stuff
this includes bad pictures, words, or whatever.

#2: grammar, spelling, or anything else is not required
this does not mean they are not allowed, i am saying this because i usually spell my own way, and like i said before, I DON'T CARE MUCH ABOUT GRAMMAR. i also say this because it is ok to make mistakes.

#3: be nice
i say this because i don't want venial sins to lead to mortal sins. venial sin is minor sin and mortal sin is major sin. it counts as a mortal sin to break any of my rules so be careful!

#4: check my talk page
i'm not saying you actually have to but just...check it, ok?

#5, the most important rule: have fun!

== itsa meh, malleo! *boom* GO WEEJEEH! ==

i am 9 and i go to catholic school (i won't tell you which one) and i love video games,especially pokemen and super smush brothers. the pokeman games i actually own are white 2 and typing adventure. the pokeman games my brother owns are green and snap. i like broccoli, especcially when it it dipped in ice creem. thats all i can say. wait, what?

== usertags (testing) ==

<div class="userbox">
{{User Mudkip}}
{{User Starter|501|Oshawott}}
{{User Artist}}
</div>

== smash Brothers Information ==

i am like level 4 aaaaaand i leik bowser especially pink bowser and online everyone neglects me while i play as greninja and i beat adventure mode in meelee and i quit brawl because of a few beta pictures and a creepy nightmare and on the wii u it is so epic cuz yah and my favorite attack is bowser's side smash attack. my favorite character is actually pac-man for some reason. yah.

== tEH VALEHD POKEDEXXXXXXXXXXXx ==

valehd: the derp pokemon

lolwut

ok so my favorite pokemon iz mewtwo kuz yah and... uh...
my favorite region is unova and my starter is sammurottai.

== the good of poke ==

its awesome
it has very much improved, yes yes
epic moozeek
i can play LAVENDER TOWNNNNNNN on teh pianoh
ash is voiced by a girl
it looks better wif glasses
samurott is kul
victini is supposed to look better for girls HAHA
water rules the world AAAAAAAH HELP MAH
ok then
fine
don't help me

User talk:Valehd

2015-02-19T01:51:17Z

Valehd: /* Replying to old discussions */

Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 6

2015-02-18T02:05:16Z

Valehd: /* Ash's pokemon */

<big><big><big>ASH WAS CONFIRMED 10 YEARS OF AGE IN THE {{color2|FF0000|BW001|FIRST EPISODE OF THE BEST WISHES SERIES}}. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE POSTS QUESTIONING HIS AGE.</big></big></big>

== Archives ==
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 5|Archive 5]]

==Border==
I've brought this up before about the horrid border coloration, but it has still stayed in place. I have an idea, in that we could colour it white and blue, like his clothing. It would look so much nicer. Torngentleman2 10:03, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
:That would probably be good. Why the box colors are those of Pikachu is quite puzzling. --[[User:Jda95|'''jda''']][[User talk:Jda95|'''95''']] 10:06, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
::I think they are the colors of the Red and Yellow games; because Ash is based on Red and Yellow was based on the anime.

::PS: Torngentleman2, you are not allowed to have images in your signature. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:12, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Now that I'm looking at it, that would look much nicer. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 15:58, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
::::[[User:Kenji-girl/Sandbox|Thoughts?]] I personally like example 2. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:45, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::I love Example 3. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Now for me it's a close call between number 2 & number 4, I think the yellow is good to have, honestly though, I like them all more than the current colours [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 01:01, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Example 2 and 4 are my choices. I don't care which one as long as there is some yellow in there. It's not that important that we change the colors, but I do agree that the current borders are a bad combination of colors.--[[User:Alex726|'''Alex''''''726''']][[User talk:Alex726|'''(TALK)''']] 02:42, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::I too felt there should be yellow in there. Having white and blue only sort of implies he's a Water and Normal-type Trainer to me... Which is why I still like 2. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:25, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I definately think Example 2 is better than Example 4, but my personal favourite is Example 1, as Pikachu is in the image, so he's not unrepresented. [[User:Torngentleman2|Torngentleman2]] 16:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::I've thought long and hard, I have decided I like the yellow on example 2 best [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 22:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think this looks better if you replace the "normal" with "white"--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 23:47, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

==Talk page note==
I don't think we need the "ALL CAPS" note on the top of this page. Wouldn't it be better leaving it as a hidden note or in some other format, as it doesn't seem to come up very often in the archives?--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 19:07, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:We do. It comes up all the time but a lot of the edits get reverted. Check the history. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

=='As of BW001'==
I think we should get rid of that note next to his age. If he hasn't aged over all that time, he's never going to reach 11. So I think we should just list his age as 10 and nothing but, so it looks neater. [[User:Torngentleman2|Torngentleman2]] 14:44, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:Well, there have been two times on where it was implied that Ash was 11, one was in [[EP063]] (albeit being only present in the dub versions), and the special on where they celebrate the first anniversary since Ash and Pikachu first met, if I remembered which one it was, I'd link it. But yeah, the series have implied (whether on dub or not) that time has passed whether it actually happened or not. I guess that's why it's been pointed out. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 15:12, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to say this again. Do not turn this into an age discussion. That's not what this was about. Violators will be dealt with. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:01, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

== Manga ==

We most add that his counterpart in the pokemon adventures manga red is. Both have fight there rival in the final of the pokemon league and win. Both have a Pikachu. We most edit this.--[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 08:11, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

== Just out of sheer curiosity... ==

Why was so much Trivia removed? I mean, that was a LOT of trivia, and I could see the reason for most of it being removed (out of date, etc.) but there is some of it that is still valid right (like the stuff about how he constructs his teams)? Just one person's opinion, and I am not staff or anything, so feel free to ignore or whatever, but I was just curious. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|ジェダイの騎士]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|デジタルテレビ]] 23:11, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think it was tooooo long, so someone shorten it so the page would load all right. That's just my guess. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 19:05, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

== Oversized page ==

I got a message on the edit page saying that it reached the limit of over 32kb and needs to be broken into smaller sections. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
:A lot of big pages say that. I don't believe it's a concern. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 22:17, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

== Rotation ==

Come on, why is Pikachu in rotation too? -[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 06:57, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:And we still have complaints? Geesh. Why are Snivy, Tepig, Oshawott, and Scraggy there despite never leaving Ash's team? These are the pokémon he is using in Unova, so they are all in one section. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 15:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

== Archeops ==

The Archeops from [[BW040]] could potentially go in Ash's 'temporary' section, but I don't know whether or not it would be classed as being trained by Ash, or at least Ash in particular. What do you guys think? [[User:Torngentleman2|Torngentleman2]] 19:48, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
:Wait for the episode to air so we fully know the circumstances. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:47, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
::The episode has airred, this user ment to say [[BW036]], that's the Archeops he is reffering to [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:51, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I think it's a bit different. With Cottonee, he actually trained it, and used it to battle against Iris and Cilan. Archen he only helped teach to fly, and he wasn't the only one. He was just the only one with a flying type (who would listen). But he never actually commanded it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 23:55, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Agreed, if we counted this we'd have to add Swablu as well [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:58, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I guess that sums up my confusion at why Archeops wasn't on the episode list :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:10, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::Thing is, while only once or twice, Ash did tell her what to do. Ash never commanded a move, but he did ask her do do things like fly towards Ash, or to jump. [[User:Torngentleman2|Torngentleman2]] 13:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

== Reshiram/Zekrom ==

If we are counting Reshiram/Zekrom as under Dread's ownership, then shouldn't we do the same for Ash? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 20:41, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
:I haven't seen the movie. But movie characters =/= main characters. They are permitted to have Pokémon like that because that will be their only full appearance. Both [[Sam]] and Ash befriended Celebi equally yet Sam is the only one who has Celebi on his page. And since I didn't see the movie, I have no idea if Ash had as much influence over Reshiram/Zekrom as Dread Grangil did.

:Unless Ash specifically gave Reshiram/Zekrom commands, then they're just like all of the other legendaries he's befriended and worked with. Ash has to have some sort of dominance over them and/or having an extremely close relationship like May and Manaphy rather than just going along for the ride. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

== Party ==

If some Pokémon Don't leave Ash, Why are they in rotation, Can't we just have With Ash and With Juniper and Keep updating it. [[User:ReaNintendo|ReaNintendo]] 20:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
:We already had a [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash_Ketchum/Archive_5#Lock HUGE] debate over this. We can never be certain who Ash rotates as seen in BW036 were he had the usually "rotatee", Tranquill, and Roggenrola at the same time. Meaning he had to send either Snivy, Tepig, or Scraggy (not Oshawott because he was there too). A lot of times they don't reveal who Ash sent back when he withdrew another. It's best for it to stay like this. Updating it every week is troublesome and causes conflicts. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:53, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

== Ash's Gliscor ==

Hi. um. Shouldn't Gliscor should be in the section with Charizard and Squirtle instead of the "Status Unknown". I mean, Ash left Gliscor with the Air Battle Master and then he recalled Gliscor back for the Sinnoh League. And if Gliscor is not in Pf. Oak's lab, Gliscor should be back with the Air Battle Master.{{unsigned|Mr. RPG}}

:Everyone is being needlessly picky and saying that we don't have confirmation that Gliscor went back into training. I argued on [[Talk:Ash's Gliscor]] that on one of Charizard's reappearances it was not confirmed that it went back to the Valley until it appeared next, yet that appears not to be a problem. Nothing suggests that Torterra or any of the others were sent back to Oak's lab - it was presumed. Why shouldn't Gliscor be presumed as well? I support moving Gliscor but unfortunately I have so far ben ignored. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 01:31, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
::You cannot compare what happens with Ash's party after he completes a journey to Gliscor. We know that they went to Oak's because that's what he always does.

::Maybe he decided to keep Gliscor after it returned from McCann because its training was complete. Not like it had some special duty like Primeape, Squirtle, and Charizard. We can't assume things with Pokémon that are in training. So it's best to just say that its whereabouts are currently unknown (which means it's either with McCann or Oak). --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:46, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Not to mention Charizard always returns to the Charicific Valley, it's common knowledge. Even if it wasn't shown once, it's obvious that is where is goes. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 15:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

== should this be there? ==

Should raticate be in the traded away section? He never even used it.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 18:18, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:Are you seriously suggesting that the classification for "owned Pokémon" should be whether or not they participated in a battle? He owned Raticate, and then he traded it away for Butterfree. Very simple. '''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/LimeGreenCharizard|♂]] 20:31, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

::I agree with LGC. Where else would it go? '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 22:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

== How do we ==

how do we know that ash has thirty tauros? Did the show say so or did someone count or something?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 23:55, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:He captures thirty of them in [[EP035]]. It's an episode not shown in the dub due to excessive gun use by the Safari warden, though the Tauros make several other appearances and i think it's mentiones elsewhere that he specifically has 30. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 23:58, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::[[EP065]] confirms it. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh ya. I recently watched that episode so why didn't I think of that? whatever--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 00:10, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

== MV14 ==

I know it's out tonight on cartoon network but do you think in his befriended section there should be Reshiram and Zekrom? or is that a 'cannon'? [[User:AquaMaster|AquaMaster]] 17:01, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
:Please look a few sections above this one. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:46, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

== snivy picture ==

Why was the Ash's snivy picture changed? {{unsigned|Supermon}}
:Because someone uploaded a new one. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:12, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

== Pikachu in Rotation? ==

OK, I know there has already been a big dispute over stuff like this, but I don't think it makes sense to say Pikachu is in rotation. Pikachu is ALWAYS with Ash in every episode, and Ash would need to transfer Pikachu via a Poké Ball, which Pikachu has not been in since the 1st episode. I think we can safely say that Pikachu is "on hand." サトシ 23:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC) ([[User:Satoshi101]])

::Pikachu was not on hand during the battle against Elesa, apparently. And the his pokeball have appeared in several episodes of the original series, including the Brock's debut.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 23:11- 27 December 2011
:::No, Pikachu is on hand in Elsa's battle, it just sits out. And Pikachu's Pokéball only appeared in Pokemon-I Choose You!, The Chikorita Rescue, and Snow Way Out!. I don't know where you got your info but it's incorrect. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 23:20, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

::Ash calls Pikachu back during the battle against Brock, this is a classic scene of the episode. And you even contradicts himself when says that it is not seen since the first episode, but cites other two.--[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 23:28- 27 December 2011
:::::He tries to, but he isn't successful. And if he did, that would mean Pikachu's still on hand. You really need to get your facts straight. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 23:41, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
::::::He's there because it's a little silly just to create a special little section for just Pikachu while everyone else is in rotation. We are aware that he would never take Pikachu off of his team. It's just to avoid having to update it every week and making unneeded sections. And in rotation doesn't mean were trying to say he's going to send Pikachu to where ever. He was also never shown to have send Oshawott (among a few others) back either. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:53, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

== Blocked!?!? ==

I recently checked the page,it's protected.anybody know what happened?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 22:12, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:Check the history of the page to see. There was an edit war yesterday. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
That explains it.thanks Pokemaster.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 23:04, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

== TRIVIA-MUST READ ==

I have a trivia piece: '' Starting from the Advanced Generation series, a pattern has started. Ash has caught one starter in Hoenn, two in Sinnoh and all three again in Unova ''. It was taken off by a user named '' Ataro '' or something and I undid it ( sorry if you were an admin ) can someone tell me why? --[[User:Skarm|'''Skarm''']] ''([[User talk:Skarm|'''tAlk''']])'' 03:37, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:The edit summary said it was not really needed so that's why it was undone I'd imagine. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 03:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Another Trivia piece if you don't mind......

Every time Ash battles and defeats a rival, he constantly loses to the next one in league tournaments, usually because his opponents are older, more experienced trainers with Pokémon that Ash has never seen or battled before.

Other than the Orange League, Ash has never won a league tournament.

Ash seems to catch less Pokémon when he is traveling with a new trainer.
While traveling with May he caught 6 Pokémon, and while traveling with Dawn he caught 5 and obtained Buizel by trading with Dawn.
While traveling with Misty he caught 18 Pokémon not counting Pikachu which he obtained by Professor Oak, and so far while traveling with Cilan and Iris he has caught 7 Pokémon and hatched Scraggy from an egg.

Clinton_Jai 14:23, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Not really notable to be honest. [[User:AquaMaster|AquaMaster]] 14:26, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

:3, 3, 1, 2, 3 isn't much of a pattern. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 22:08, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
:18, 6, 5, 7 isn't much of a pattern either. None of the pieces of trivia suggested here seem to be notable in my opinion.--[[User:Alex726|'''Alex''''''726''']][[User talk:Alex726|'''(TALK)''']] 23:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
::That piece of trivia looks very opinionated even if it happens. Secondly, it was copied off from the Pokémon wikia. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

==Climbing==
In several episodes and movies it is shown that ash is a really good climber (in [[M04|Pokemon4ever]] Misty and Brock comment that he "Climbs like a mankey." He's also been reffered to as a Primeape and an Aipom. Even in one of the first episodes of BW he climbs up a tree with little difficulty compared to Iris trying to catch up to Team Rocket to get Pikachu and Axew. Shouldnt we add this somewhere in the article? [[User:LuigiLuvr|LuigiLuvr]] 00:47, 8 January 2012 (UTC)LuigiLover
:I remember him being a good climber too. I agree. It should be included in Ash's article.--[[User:Alex726|'''Alex''''''726''']][[User talk:Alex726|'''(TALK)''']] 18:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for agreeing, I'm not sure of all the exact episodes and movies it was mentioned in. But I can find it out on [http://www.pokemonepisode.org/] but it might take a while -.-'[[User:LuigiLuvr|LuigiLuvr]] 01:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)LuigiLuvr
Ah, I can help out with this. In the season 4 episode, "The Screen Actor's Guilt", Ash tells everyone that, when he was little, he climbed a lot of trees (I can't remember the exact line, you'll have to watch the episode to find out exactly what Ash says). And then, after saying this, he proceeds to climb a tree. Later in season 5, "Hatching A Plan", Ash climbs a tree to rescue Pikachu and Phanpy. =) --[[User:PokemonTrainerLisa|PokemonTrainerLisa]] 13:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!! I'll check those episodes and I'll read the descriptions on some others to see if they mention it. [[User:LuigiLuvr|LuigiLuvr]] 16:39, June 1 2012
I added the it but only used 5 examples. I though that was better then adding all of them but if you decide they're are some more main ones feel free to add! [[User:LuigiLuvr|LuigiLuvr]] 17:41, June 1 2012

==Edit Request==

Can one of the Mods change "Spirits Symbol" to "Spirit Symbol". --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:40, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks Kenji! --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 08:37, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
::Actually, its the Spirits Symbol, as seen in the last 20 seconds [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZoWWxc4Ri8&feature=fvst here].--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:26, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

==Question==
On [[James]], page it says at trivia that Ash briefly had no Pokémon on hand. But is this is in [[AG001]]? --[[User:Station7|Station7]] 17:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Chowolun 02:18, 5 March 2012 (UTC) [[User:Lucario985]]

==Sandile==

Shouldn't we put that Krokorok evolved from Sandile under Ash's pokemon?? I mean we did see it evolve on screen.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 05:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
:It wasn't his at the time. That's why we don't have Primeape shown to have evolved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:29, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

== Corphish's Picture? ==

Did somebody do something to Corphish's picture? This is what I get in my browser instead of the pic: "Error creating thumbnail: convert: unable to open image `/mnt/bulbawiki-media/upload/3/32/Ash_Corphish.png': No such file or directory @ blob.c/OpenBlob/2480.
convert: unable to open file `/mnt/bulbawiki-media/upload/3/32/Ash_Corphish.png' @ png.c/ReadPNGImage/2889.
convert: missing an image filename `/tmp/transform_2d9f3bd-1.png' @ convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/2800."
BTW, I am using Mozilla Firefox, if that matters any. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|ジェダイナイト]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|ディーティーブイ]] 14:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
:Never mind, either somebody fixed it or it fixed itself? Thank you if someone did fix it, if not, I apologize for bringing it up. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|ジェダイナイト]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|ディーティーブイ]] 14:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

== Current badge picture ==

So, I'm on the page and I'm looking through the page and see Ash has his 8th Unova gym badge. I want to see it up close and click on the picture to view it bigger. When I do this, it takes me to a picture of him with Pikachu, Brycen and Krokorok of him obtaining his 7th badge. But then I click on the picture to view it just by itself and it takes me to the picture of him and Pikachu holding up the 8th badge. Any particular reason it still shows Brycen giving him the 7th badge and not the picture of him with all 8? If so, how do we go about fixing the page? Just a heads up. --Dylki 22:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
:It just takes a while to the Archive server to sync with the Bulbapedia server. Give it time and it'll change. There's nothing we can really do about it otherwise. Not a bug, just how it is. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
::Cool. I just found it quite odd but thanks for the information.--Dylki 22:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

== This image... ==

[[File:Ash Pokemon with Oak.png]]
...Answer our questions about Ash's in training Pokémon and Gliscor's whereabouts. {{unsigned|‎Igor Castro Chucre}}
:We're still not sure, because Primeape is there too, and we know for a fact Primeape is not at Oak's lab. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:56, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
::Chances are they just came by for a visit, you know... [[User:Jyles|Jyles]] ([[User talk:Jyles|talk]]) 17:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
:::Wouldn't that be a fun idea! But doesn't this show us where Gliscor has been lurking all this time? Because it would seem strange if Gliscor came down from his unknown location to visit like Primeape and Charizard could or the other Pokemon he has traded/given to others. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 00:58, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
::::No. Intros do not count as any sort of official appearances or events. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 15:44, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

== Maturity ==

Can we have something about how in D/P he's super skilled, and in Black and White he's totally immature, and inexperienced? -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

He's still a skilled trainer when he reached Unova. [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] ([[User talk:Chomper4|talk]]) 00:08, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

:It seems that he isn't (he chucks a Poké Ball at a Pidove right off the bat, and does a ton of other stupid stuff). -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:09, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
::He gets like that in almost ''every'' region. They turn Ash into an idiot to reflect the in-game thing of always starting a new adventure and having weak Pokémon etc. People might think it's foolish, but at the same time, the creators imagine the viewers are always a new generation of children, who don't know that you have to weaken a Pokémon first to catch it. So they hinder Ash's experience and intelligence to teach new viewers. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:11, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

::: At the beginning of Diamond and Pearl he didn't seems stupid to me. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 00:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

::::The anime has a Trainr experience tier and whoever is the lowest has to be portrayed as the rookie. In both Advance and DP, Ash had friends that were less experienced than he was thus the part of the inexperienced rookie was taken off of him. But because Iris and Cilan have been Trainers longer than he has (in anime time) he's the one that needs to be portrayed as the rookie. But yeah, this isn't really something that needs to be mentioned. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:07, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

== Dawn's Piplup ==

Why? -- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 00:40, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
:Why not? We do it for other characters. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 00:46, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
::But in DP046, Ash commanded Piplup in the same way and no one has bothered to place before.-- [[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 01:14, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

== Exegguttor ==

Ash captured a lot of Exegguttor under Hypnosys in EP043; why are they not here? --[[User:Mecanno-man|mecanno-man]][[user talk:Mecanno-man|Discussion]] 08:03, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
:The thing is..he didn't actually catch them in Pokè Balls.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:08, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
::I checked it again: It was acctually Melvin whou captured them... --[[User:Mecanno-man|mecanno-man]][[user talk:Mecanno-man|Discussion]] 08:22, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

== BW appearance ==

Should it be noted that his Best Wishes outfit looks almost identical to Hilbert? The pants and shoes are exactly the same, the hats are similar just reversed (Ash's hat is red on the back, Hilbert's is red in front), their shirts are similar as well.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] ([[User talk:Lycos Ex Mortis|talk]]) 15:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
:That's already noted [[list of clothing in the anime|here]], so I don't think it needs to be noted in this article. ''[[User:Joltaex|–Jolt]][[User talk:Joltaex|aex]]'' 15:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

== '''Melloeta''' ==

'''Melloeta should be included in the unofficial section''' {{unsigned|‎Water205}}
:He never used it in battle. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:15, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

== Expand Ash Character Unova ==
After the Club Battle paragraph, nothing has been included. Shouldn't we add little things like Meloetta, Team Rocket, Club Battles, Gym battles and his relationship with Cilan, Iris, rivals and his Pokemon? Not to mention anything that can be included from the recent movies.
([[User:Shadoguardian|Shadoguardian]] ([[User talk:Shadoguardian|talk]]) 13:53, 22 November 2012 (UTC))
:Feel free to add it then, seems we have all been a bit lazy [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 21:36, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

== Pictures of Pokemon ==

For some reason, when on my iPad some of the pictures of Ash's Pokemon in the With Professor Oak are different to what they should be. Such as Noctowl is just a picture of Ash and Pikachu and Swellow is a picture of Slowpoke. Somebody please try to fix this as I don't know what's wrong. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 00:54, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
:Probably a caching issue. Clear the server cache by clicking on that clock in the top right. You may want to clear you browser's cache too. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:57, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
::Ahha yep that's cleared up now. Thanks! [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 01:00, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

== Ash's In rotation pokemon ==

If you remember in the Sinnoh League during his rounds the party of Ash changed continously according to the pokemon he used in the league battles.Why don't we do the same in the Unova League.We may put in ''On hand'' the pokemon that he is using against [[Cameron]]. [[User:Alexsummer|★Alex★]] [[User talk:Alexsummer|Water]] 22:42, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
:I doesn't really make sense to have to continually edit his party everytime a new episode airs. It's too much to keep track of. Leaving it one ''In Rotation'' section is both accurate and less of a hassle. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 22:46, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

== Ash's Height ==

http://web.archive.org/web/19990221005152/http://www.pokemon.com/games/ash.html

Found this in the way back machine.

" Age: 10
Height: 5' 2" "
{{unsigned|Oakfeather}}

== Pokemon Team Rotation ==

It says "In the Unova region, Ash does not keep the same party at all times like he had done previously. Instead, he swaps his on hand Pokémon (with the exception of Pikachu) with ones that are being stored at Professor Juniper's lab, much like he did with his Kingler and Muk in Kanto with Professor Oak.", but this is incorrect. He's never had Kingler on his team. It went directly to Professor Oak and has only been used in league competitions. Muk was sent to Professor Oak because of its strong smell and, again, has only been used in Pokemon league competition. Someone should change this. [[User:MattySadler]]

== Unfeazant ==

Shouldn't we put Unfeazant under "At Professor Oak's lab" section? --[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]] ([[User talk:Caciulacdlac|talk]]) 15:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
:Being at Oak's doesn't stop her from being in rotation. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 16:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

== MY QUERY PLEASE ==

i am very new in editing bulbapedia but when i entred ASH "s page i could not edit it why this is so and who are administratives please teell me{{unsigned|Viv}}
:Only {{bp|autoconfirmed users}} can edit the page. We do this to prevent vandalism. Please remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes. Thank you! [[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 18:36, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

==Most Owned==
Should it be worth mentioning that Ash has owned more Flying-type Pokemon than any other type? [[User:JessiPlatinum|JessiPlatinum]] ([[User talk:JessiPlatinum|talk]]) 18:33, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

==Edit request in Trivia: About Ash having the starters==
He's had the starters from all Generations except for Piplup and Mudkip, which, in turn, have been owned by his journey mates Dawn and Brock respectively. --[[User:Jmcalil|Jmcalil]] ([[User talk:Jmcalil|talk]]) 06:36, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
:You forgot Torchic[[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 07:25, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
::Indeed. I swore he had once owned one, but it was actually May's. Thanks for correcting. --[[User:Jmcalil|Jmcalil]] ([[User talk:Jmcalil|talk]]) 18:08, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

== Gliscor whereabouts ==

Why does it say unknown whereabouts when gliscor is in the intro for adventures with prof.oak? {{unsigned|Grovyle144}}
:Intros do not count as canon, so Gliscor appearing in the opening doesn't confirm its whereabouts. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 23:27, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
::I think it is because there was never any confirmation about whether Gliscor went back into training or went to Professor Oak's Lab. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 04:44, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

== Sumo tournament in BW134 ==

It seems that the Sumo tournament in [[BW134]] wasn't mentioned in the competitions list yet. He participated in it and won. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 19:26, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

== Ash's age ==

Ash was confirmed to be 10 years old as of EP001. [[User:Pnjfandubs|Pnjfandubs]] ([[User talk:Pnjfandubs|talk]]) 04:40, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
:The most recent episode to state it was BW001, which is why it says that. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:13, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
:Can we remove this whole section? It's not exactly groundbreaking info and doesn't really discuss anything. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 14:38, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

== Ash's one-time appearance in another anime ==

It is confirmed that Ash will be on an anime called "Eiyuu Kyoudai" (Hero Brothers) on September 28, 2015 (October 5, 2015 in USA) in episode 5, called "Impossible Encounter" (''Fukano na deai'' ふかのなであい in japanese). [[User:Pnjfandubs|Pnjfandubs]] ([[User talk:Pnjfandubs|talk]]) 04:53, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
:Proof, please. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:13, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately, there will be no proof until mid-2014 or late-2014, when the trailers of Eiyuu Kyoudai are revealed. [[User:Pnjfandubs|Pnjfandubs]] ([[User talk:Pnjfandubs|talk]]) 23:30, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
:Well, then, it hasn't been confirmed. Don't throw around that word lightly. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:48, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
EDIT: It has been confirmed as of September 15, 2013 that the entire anime Eiyuu Kyoudai has been cancelled. [[User:Pnjfandubs|PNJスターデオの月山ニ郎]] ([[User talk:Pnjfandubs|talk]]) 17:10, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

== Ash's names ==

Can someone add "Italian" as language (together with "English, German, Spanish, Canadian French, Hindi") that uses Ash Ketchum as name? [[User:Glorfindelor|Glorfindelor]] ([[User talk:Glorfindelor|talk]]) 19:52, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
:Added it (and removed Hindi).--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:01, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

== Befriended/Not Caught/Unofficial Pokemon ==

There are a lot more befriended/not caught/unofficial Pokemon than just [[Sabrina's Haunter|Haunter]] and [[Ash's Larvitar|Larvitar]]. What about [[Meloetta (anime)|Meloetta]]? Or [[Jigglypuff (anime)|Jigglypuff]]? Even if Jigglypuff doesn't count, Meloetta TOTALLY does.{{unsigned|Nutter Butter}}

== Adding an European Portuguese VA ==

Please add "Sara Marques" as Ash's European Portuguese VA in Movie 7. [[User:Ivantuga2|ivantuga2]] ([[User talk:Ivantuga2|talk]]) 00:59, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

== Scalchop King Competition ==

Could a staff member please change "Scalchop King Playoffs" into "Scalchop King Competition" in the achievements section? Thanks! ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 19:09, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
:Done. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 02:28, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

== Ash and Pikachu manga section ==

I uploaded a big load of images containing Ash's Pokémon in the Ash and Pikachu manga. Can a staff member add them to the section in his page? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 00:49, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Could a staff member kindly change "Watari Island" into "Wayfarer Island" (the dub name) in the infobox about Ash's second Butterfree? Thanks! ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 22:01, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for pointing this out! [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:07, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

==Locked Page==

I would like to have this page's editing block removed so that I can fix the Character section to also have a History section, please. [[User:Starballerqtpants|Starballerqtpants]] ([[User talk:Starballerqtpants|talk]]) 17:57, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
:Staff members don't unlock pages by user request. If you would like to add or change something, post your material on the talk page and a staff member will make the edit for you if they determine it is worth adding. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:25, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

== Update ==

Are we going to update Ash's picture or are we leaving it how it is until the XY series starts? -- [[User:Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.|Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.]] 21:21, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah the image in the infobox correlates to the current ongoing series. As soon as the XY series starts we'll change him to his XY design. :) [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:24, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
::Should we change up the colors on his infobox and associated templates when that time comes? The new outfit is more focused on blue than white. The blue is darker, too, - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 15:47, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

== Ash with Pokémon ==

Could the caption for the group image of all his Pokémon be changed from "A majority of Ash's Pokémon at Professor Oak's lab" to "Ash with all his Pokémon at Professor Oak's lab". Also maybe include (excluding Squirtle and Primeape) and/or "currently owned" if needed? --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 10:43, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
:Also, doesn't the photo confirm that Gliscor is at Professor Oak's lab? --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 11:10, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

== Ash's Pokémon with Professor Oak ==

At the end of the last episode, Ash left all his Pokémon except Pikachu with Professor Oak. Could his Pokémon section please be updated to reflect this (as well as the fact that Gliscor is at the lab)? [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] ([[User talk:Watchermark|talk]]) 15:43, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

==Ash's pokemon==

So can we add this picture to the pokemon section?? http://25.media.tumblr.com/e761add11164f9bc413fe1eb6063eedc/tumblr_mtqaidrleY1r2iinvo1_500.jpg or a smaller version?? This shows all of Ash's pokemon instead of most of them.

Also the in rotation pokemon should be put into the at the lab category. Only Pikachu is on hand.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 16:23, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

: squirtle and primeape are missing --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 02:05, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

==Talk page note==
I believe we should add the Pokedex number of all the Pokemon Ash has captured officially and all of the Pokemon he has seen in the info box. Also he never released his Pidgeot officially as he said he would come back for it some day. --[[User:Stevemagegod|Stevemagegod]] ([[User talk:Stevemagegod|talk]]) 17:26, 27 October 2013 (UTC)Stevemagegod
:No. We don't do that. It's been over a decade. He isn't coming back for it. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 17:31, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

== About Ash's international name ==

In the table of Names section, it says that Ash's name in Mandarin Chinese "can mean 'young wisdom' or 'little knowledge'". I'm from mainland China and I can tell that this is not correct.

In China, the character "小" before another character as a nickname is used when referring to a person younger than the speaker, especially a child or teenager. The character right after it is often a character from his/her given name. For instance, a boy called "王明" can be referred as "小明", or a girl called "李芬芳" can be called "小芳" as a nickname. You may read [[wikipedia:Chinese name|this]] for more information about Chinese names.

Thus, "小智" in this case follows the same rule, that it can be considered only as "little Zhì (this must be transliterated as it derives from [[Satoshi Tajiri]])" but not "young wisdom" or "little knowledge". I therefore ask for a correction about this. [[User:Prcuvu|Prcuvu]] ([[User talk:Prcuvu|talk]]) 14:10, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

== Indigo plateau loss ==

Anyone else think it should be mentioned that [[Ritchie]] is the one who beat [[Ash]] in the [[Indigo Plateau]] 6th round?
[[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 23:37, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

== Infobox colors ==

I was considering changing Ash's infobox colors, along with the colors of his associated templates (i.e. {{template|Ash's Pokémon}}) to match his XY outfit. I was considering this setup:

<nowiki>color={{X color light}} |</nowiki> 
<nowiki>corecolor={{ice color light}} |</nowiki> 
<nowiki>bordercolor={{HP color light}} |</nowiki>

I wanted to get input here before I make this change to such a big page. - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 15:23, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

== Kayzie Rogers ==
I know that Kayzie Rogers did voice ash in The Mastermind of Mirage Pokemon. I'm just trying to understand why she's not Important for the infobox. But it's ok now, I just talked this over with Pinpkinking0192 and he told me why. So now I understand. [[User:Marioiscool765|Marioiscool765]] ([[User talk:Marioiscool765|talk]]) 01:09, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

== Overall table for Ash's Pokémon ==

Would it be worth putting this onto the page so that all of his Pokémon are in one easy to read table that people can see where Ash received his Pokémon.
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{electric color}}; border: 5px solid #{{electric color}};" colspan=4 cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{electric color}};"
! colspan="8" | {{color2|{{electric color dark}}|Ash Ketchum}}
|- style="background: #{{electric color}};"
! colspan="4" style="text-align:left; color:#{{electric color dark}};" | Hometown: {{color2|{{electric color dark}}|Pallet Town}}
! colspan="4" style="text-align:right;" | {{color2|{{electric color dark}}|Region|First joined in}} {{color2|{{electric color dark}}|Kanto}}
|-
! colspan="8" style="background: #{{electric color dark}}; {{roundytop|5px}}; color:#{{electric color}};" | Episodes on Journey
|-
| colspan="8" style="background: #{{electric color light}};{{roundybottom|5px}} color:#{{electric color dark}};" | {{color2|{{electric color dark}}|EP001}}-{{color|{{electric color dark}}|present}}
|-
|
|-
! style="background: #{{electric color dark}}; {{roundytl|5px}}; color:#{{electric color}};" | Method
! style="background: #{{electric color dark}};" | {{color2|{{electric color}}|Kanto}}
! style="background: #{{electric color dark}};" | {{color2|{{electric color}}|Orange Archipelago|Orange}}
! style="background: #{{electric color dark}};" | {{color2|{{electric color}}|Johto}}
! style="background: #{{electric color dark}};" | {{color2|{{electric color}}|Hoenn}} {{color|{{electric color}}|/}} {{color2|{{electric color}}|Battle Frontier (Generation III)|Frontier}}
! style="background: #{{electric color dark}};" | {{color2|{{electric color}}|Sinnoh}}
! style="background: #{{electric color dark}};" | {{color2|{{electric color}}|Unova}}
! style="background: #{{electric color dark}}; {{roundytr|5px}}; color:#{{electric color}};" | {{color2|{{electric color}}|Kalos}}
|- style="background: #{{electric color light}};"
| {{color2|{{electric color dark}}|Caught Pokémon|Caught}}
| {{MS|010|Ash's Butterfree}}{{MS|017|Ash's Pidgeot}}{{MS|001|Ash's Bulbasaur}}{{MS|004|Ash's Charizard}}{{MS|007|Ash's Squirtle}} {{MS|098|Ash's Kingler}}{{MS|057|Ash's Primeape}}{{MS|089|Ash's Muk}}{{MS|128|Ash's Tauros}}
| {{MS|131|Ash's Lapras}}{{MS|143|Ash's Snorlax}}
| {{MS|214|Ash's Heracross}}{{MS|152|Ash's Bayleef}}{{MS|155|Ash's Quilava}}{{MS|158|Ash's Totodile}}{{MS|164s|Ash's Noctowl}}
| {{MS|276|Ash's Swellow}}{{MS|252|Ash's Sceptile}}{{MS|341|Ash's Corphish}}{{MS|324|Ash's Torkoal}}{{MS|361|Ash's Glalie}} {{MS|190|Dawn's Ambipom}}
| {{MS|396|Ash's Staraptor}}{{MS|387|Ash's Torterra}}{{MS|390|Ash's Infernape}}{{MS|207|Ash's Gliscor}}{{MS|443|Ash's Gible}}
| {{MS|519|Ash's Unfezant}}{{MS|498|Ash's Pignite}}{{MS|495|Ash's Snivy}}{{MS|540|Ash's Leavanny}}{{MS|536|Ash's Palpitoad}} {{MS|524|Ash's Boldore}}{{MS|552|Ash's Krookodile}}
| {{MS|661|Ash's Fletchling}}
|- style="background: #{{electric color light}};"
| {{color2|{{electric color dark}}|Pokémon Egg|Hatched}}
|
|
| {{MS|231|Ash's Donphan}}
|
|
| {{MS|559|Ash's Scraggy}}
|
|- style="background: #{{electric color light}};"
| {{color2|{{electric color dark}}|Evolution|Evolved}}
| {{MS|011|Ash's Butterfree}}{{MS|012|Ash's Butterfree}}{{MS|005|Ash's Charizard}}{{MS|006|Ash's Charizard}}{{MS|099|Ash's Kingler}} {{MS|018|Ash's Pidgeot}}
|
| {{MS|153|Ash's Bayleef}}
| {{MS|253|Ash's Sceptile}}{{MS|277|Ash's Swellow}}{{MS|362|Ash's Glalie}}{{MS|232|Ash's Donphan}}{{MS|254|Ash's Sceptile}}
| {{MS|397|Ash's Staraptor}}{{MS|472|Ash's Gliscor}}{{MS|388|Ash's Torterra}}{{MS|398|Ash's Staraptor}}{{MS|391|Ash's Infernape}} {{MS|392|Ash's Infernape}}{{MS|389|Ash's Torterra}}{{MS|156|Ash's Quilava}}
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--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51/Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 12:15, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

== Trainer ID ==

So, similar to how we do for {{DL|N|Trivia|N}}, could it be noted in the trivia section that Ash has the trainer ID of 01301 because of the distributed Pikachu? Or id this considered a different case as Ash really isn't a game character? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 17:42,2/21/2014 (UTC)
:There have been [[Ash's Pikachu#In the games|two Pikachu distributions]] with Ash's name, as well as a distribution for [[Ash's Scraggy#In the games|Scraggy]]. All use different IDs. If anything, I'd say Ash's "ID" is too inconsistent to be considered trivia. - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 20:23, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

== Temporary Pokemon ==

In the [[EP190]] "The Stolen Stones!" , Ash ride an Arcanine he doesn't own several minutes, so why not add this Arcanine to this section ? {{unsigned|LeoKetchumB}}

== Aura capabilities ==

I think people greatly overestimate what Ash can do. The only time he has actually used Aura was in the movie and that looked to me like he could do so only because he wore the guardian's gloves at the time. In the other very handful anime instances, I thought the Pokemon of which auras he felt were making him feel it, he didn't sense it by himself, it was their doing. Not sure if the original Japanese dub says something different, but Ash is hardly an aura user in my opinion. I disagree with the statement on this page [[aura]] that he is a true user. --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I disagree. There's a difference between having mastered Aura Abilities and being a true Aura User. Ash is a true Aura User. The anime special even capitalized on this with the canon connection, therefore establishing his Aura Abilities. Ash has no form of training at all with Aura, but the movie and special did an amazing job at proving Ash has Aura Powers and the potential to be a skilled Aura Wielder if he trained. As for the pkmn he sensed, Riolu, he pretty much did it on his own a few times. [[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 07:46, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

== Trainer Class ==

Should Baron be added to Ash's Trainer Class? Ash reached Baron status at the Battle Chateau and other trainers such as Viola, Grant and the others have their (at least in game) titles under their trainer class. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 17:29, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

== XY 029 ==

In Pokemon XY Episode 29, There is a new opening. In the opening, it shows Ash, sitting on a cliff, looking at the stars, possibly contemplating to attempt suicide because he can't take this immortality anymore [lol]. But on a serious note, In addition to Pikachu and Froakie, it seems ash's Fletchling evolved, as well as there being a Hawlucha.

Would this mean Ash now has 4 Pokemon on hand? and shouldn't it be added to his page, if not to trivia/additional details? {{unsigned|AJDOH}}
:Information about team changes is added after the episode that it occurs in has aired. [[User:G50|''ㄱ'']][[User talk:G50|''쉰'']] G50 02:57, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

== Ash's Charizard ==

Hey just created this account to point out that Ash's Charizard should be in the "in training" section instead of the "with Professor Oak". Unless I'm wrong, Charizard is still in the Charicific Valley training, not at Professor Oak's farm.

[[User:Hatandboots|Hatandboots]] ([[User talk:Hatandboots|talk]]) 17:08, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:Actually not. Ash left it with Oak in ''[[BW142|The Dream Continues]]'' along with all of his Unova-caught Pokémon. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 17:09, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

== "Ash's Fletchinder" Picture To Be Changed on "Ash Ketchum" Page ==

On the "Ash Ketchum" page, http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ash_Ketchum the picture of Ash's Fletchinder, http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/50/Ash_Fletchinder.png
it has Ash and his other Pokémon along with Japanese writing on it.

Can you change it to this picture of Fletchinder alone? http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/50/Ash_Fletchinder.png
It will look so much better. [[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 20:41, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
:It's already been changed. Just give it some time so the server cache can catch up. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 20:48, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

== "Ash's Fletchinder" Picture To Be Changed on "Ash Ketchum" Page ==

How long will the server catch up?[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 22:58, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

==Mirror World==
Since I'm not allowed to edit the Ash Ketchum page, can someone include [[Mirror World Ash]] under '''See Also'''? {{unsigned|Shadoguardian}}
:Done. →PikaTepig999, 07:28, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

== Skrelp ==

Should Skrelp really be included? The 'Temporary' section is filled with Pokémon Ash has temporarily commanded, while Skrelp seems to fit as a befriended pokemon, those of which had there inclusion disputed [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 02:26, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, and Skrelp's name appears in the 'Temporary' section at the bottom of the page, yet it's not on the page itself. --[[User:MrSphea|MrSpheal]] 00:08, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

== Flygon? ==

Ash was seen using a {{p|Flygon}} in the sixth movie. Would this count for anything? [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATER]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|Warrior]]67 23:25, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

No lol.--[[User:-AuraGuardian-|-AuraGuardian-]] ([[User talk:-AuraGuardian-|talk]]) 07:41, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Then you could also say: 'What about Latias?' [[User:Karstvgl|Karstvgl]] ([[User talk:Karstvgl|talk]]) 23:12, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

== Dutch name ==

I have seen enough Dutch episodes to know he is just called 'Ash Ketchum' in Dutch too. Could someone add that? [[User:Karstvgl|Karstvgl]] ([[User talk:Karstvgl|talk]]) 23:08, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

== Ash's amount of Pokemon ==

Has anybody noticed that Ash has 68 Pokémon? Someone counted one Tauros too many or something. Just saying, someone PLEASE change it, it's really been annoying me.--[[User:MrSphea|MrSpheal]] 20:48, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
:It's been corrected.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:27, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much. --[[User:MrSphea|MrSpheal]] 23:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Meowth, the Big Mouth

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Valehd: /* Plot */

{{BookInfobox|
title=Meowth, the Big Mouth|
image=Meowth the Big Mouth cover.png |
image_size=250px|
published=April 2000|
ISBN=0439154170 |
publisher=[[Scholastic]]|
author=[[Bill Michaels]]|
previous=[[Surf's Up, Pikachu! (Pokémon Junior)]]|
next=[[Save Our Squirtle!]]|
}}

'''Meowth, the Big Mouth''' is a [[Pokémon Junior]] book and is 47 pages in length. It is the second book in the series.

==Plot==
{{spoilers}}
This book follows the plot of the anime episode, ''[[EP070|Go West Young Meowth]]''.

{{Ash}}, {{AP|Pikachu}}, {{an|Misty}} and {{an|Brock}} are all staying at {{Delia}}'s house. Ash and Pikachu are doing exercises as part of their Pokémon training when a mailman delivers a letter to Delia's [[Mimey|Mr. Mime]]. Ash and his friends open the letter to find that it's an invitation, inviting them to [[Hollywood]] to see the Pokémon film ''{{DL|Movies in the Pokémon world|Pokémon in Love}}'', which they had been involved in making. At first Ash is reluctant to go and would rather stay at home and continue his training, but eventually his friends convince him to come along. [[Jessie]], [[James]] and {{MTR}} of [[Team Rocket]] had also heard about the Pokémon movie, and followed Ash and his friends to Hollywood. Jessie and James discuss excitedly their plan to become famous movie stars. Meowth is not so happy about being in Hollywood, and reflects on his past there. When Meowth was young, he was homeless without friends or family. He was so hungry, he tried to eat a pile of baseballs belonging to [[Camp Pokéhearst]], a summer camp for children. A camp counselor caught him and hung him from a tree branch, and there Meowth cried himself to sleep. Later he wakes up to the light of an outdoor movie screen. The campers were watching a film called ''{{DL|Movies in the Pokémon world|That Darn Meowth!}}'' about a family with a pet Meowth. They gave it food like ice cream and fried chicken. Meowth decided to move to Hollywood where movies were made in hope that he would find a family there. Meanwhile Ash, Misty and Brock arrive in Hollywood, however it is not as glamorous as they expected. They find the movie theater, which looks old and run-down. The [[Cleavon Schpielbunk|director]] bursts out of the building and leads Ash and his friends inside. Jessie and James are talking to Meowth, asking him why he never mentioned living in Hollywood before. Meowth explains that he likes to keep these things private, and then takes to the streets on his own to reflect on his arrival in Hollywood. When he first arrived in Hollywood, Meowth did not find the loving family he'd expected. Instead, he was chased away by shop owners and he was forced to steal scraps of food to survive. One day, a {{p|Persian}} approached him and offered him food. Meowth was so grateful he decided to join Persian's gang of Meowth. He then thinks about the first time he saw [[Meowzie]], sitting on a windowsill across the street. Meowth was determined to meet the beautiful Pokémon. Meowzie however, rejected Meowth explaining that her rich owner could buy her anything she wanted, and that Meowth had nothing to offer her. Not yet ready to give up on Meowzie, Meowth decided that if he were more like a human then Meowzie would like him. He started walking on two legs, and listened to a girls' spelling class in order to learn how to speak. He spent hours learning to speak with help of an alphabet book. Meowth went to meet Meowzie a second time. He showed her how he learned to walk and talk like a human, but she still wasn't interested, claiming that he had just become a freak. Heartbroken, Meowth decided to join Team Rocket in the hope he would become rich and famous. Meowth continues to walk the streets alone when he is confronted by the Persian leader of his old gang, who wants him to return to the group. Meowth refuses, telling Persian he is a member of Team Rocket now. To Meowth's surprise, Meowzie steps forward from the rest of the gang. She explains that her owner ran out of money and had to abandon her on the streets, where Persian took her in and gave her food. Meowth asks Meowzie to come with him, however the wild Pokémon gang doesn't want her to leave, and surrounds Meowth ready to attack. Jessie and James then appear to help their friend out and send their {{p|Arbok}} and {{p|Weezing}} to protect him. Meowth and Persian lunge at each other but missed, however Persian hurts itself when it lands. Meowzie runs past Meowth to tend to Persian's wounds, explaining how it wouldn't be right to leave Persian after it took her in and gave her a home. Jessie and James comfort Meowth and remind him that he still has them as a family. Back at the movie theater, Ash and his friends had just finished watching the movie. They complain to the director that none of them made an appearance in the movie, with the director rebutting that his movie was only about Pokémon. Suddenly Team Rocket appear on stage. After doing a quick dance, they disappear just as quickly without causing any trouble. Ash and his friends decide to return back to Pallet Town to continue on their journey towards the Pokémon League.

===Blurb===
'''Meowth's true Hollywood tale''' 
''Meowth is different from all other Pokémon. It belongs to Team Rocket. And it can speak like humans! How did it learn? Here is Meowth's story, straight from the Pokémon's "big mouth"!''

== Major Events ==
* {{MTR}} learns to talk.

===Pokémon Debuts===
* [[Meowzie]]

== Characters ==

===Humans===
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|Misty}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Cleavon Schpielbunk]]{{tt|*|Not identified in book}}

===Pokémon===
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Togepi}} ({{OP|Misty|Togepi}})
* {{p|Mr. Mime}} ([[Mimey|Delia's]])
* [[Meowzie]]
* {{p|Persian}}

== Trivia ==

=== Errors ===
* Throughout the book, Meowzie is misspelled as "Meowzy".

{{PkmnJr}}
 
{{Project Merchandise notice|book}}

Talk:List of glitches in Generation V

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Valehd: /* Biker speed glitch */

==Daily events==
I think I found a glitch with things you can do daily (battle in black city, ride the ferris wheel, ect.). If you attempt to do it again the next day, the game will act as if you already did everything. {{unsigned|Auragirl}}
:You probably changed DS or the clock on the DS. Doing either of these will suspend all daily events for 24 hours. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
ok, I just forgot I used my sister's ds that day. But why isn't there anything here about the fainted pokemon glitch?[[User:Auragirl|Auragirl]] 01:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Do you mean the false glitch mentioned two sections below this, or something else? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
I mean the one where a pokemon faints, but the hp bar will stay and show 1hp even though the pokemon has fainted. I have had it happen to me several times already. Go look on youtube if you dont understand.[[User:Auragirl|Auragirl]] 12:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:Well, I have a battle video saved (not mine), 72-38980-27648, which I believe is similar to what you are talking about, but the HP bar does not stay. I have heard of the other one however. I believe we do not note it because we do not know why it happens, or even a way to make it consistently occur. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
ok. If it helps, it usually happens to me when i'm having a double battle in the giant chasm or when i'm battling the trainer with the dynamicpunching machamp in black city.[[User:Auragirl|Auragirl]] 04:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

==Icirrus Gym glitch==
Well, I found the actual glitch for the Icirrus gym glitch. However, since I had no access to a camcorder at the time, Zowayixx created a video. I later recorded my own glitch and put it on this page, but someone keeps reverting it back. I did discover that glitch.(see Zow's video description) [[User:Pupcakepup|Pupcakepup]] 15:36, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
:The discoverer is unimportant. Zowayixx's video doesn't have background noise, and yours reall isn't better than his in any way. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
::Just in case you wanted a reference, I can confirm she did discover it. [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 22:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I tried this out in White 2 and I couldn't walk through the rocks like in BW. [[User:CraftyWeavile|CraftyWeavile]] ([[User talk:CraftyWeavile|talk]]) 23:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

== Double battle glitch ==

I encountered this one glitch today in White, or so I think it's a glitch, and was wondering if it could be investigated into and maybe added. I was in a double battle, and both of my Pokemon had fainted on the exact same turn. I went to 'Shift' my Beartic out. But when I went to pick my second choice, which was a healthy Emboar, it wouldn't let me. I tried the other healthy Pokemon, and nothing. It kept telling me "____ cannot be sent out" despite them being perfectly healthy. In the end, it wouldn't let me send out anything, and I was basically just stuck there and forced to turn off the DS. So yeah, that's it. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 05:27, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
:I've also encountered this glitch (a lot) in my White (UK), put me right off the double battles. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 06:07, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
::From memory, I believe you have to select which Pokémon you wish to exchange it with. it isn't a glitch just a bit counter-intuitive. Basically, because both Pokémon have just fainted, if you just select Emboar, then it does not know which spot to put it in. Select a fainted Pokémon first, then you should be able to switch out (I know I was confused the first time as well)[[User:Dion24|Dion]][[User talk:Dion24|24]] 06:50, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah, this has tricked a lot of people. It's not a glitch. If both Pokémon faint at the same time, you need to pick the Pokémon you are going to send in, then the Pokémon you are going to swap it for, then the Pokémon you are going to send in again. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:55, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Well, that certainly is counter-intuitive. I think I'm actually a bit more confused now, but whatever. [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 03:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::Ill see if I can explain. This occurs if the two simultaneous fainting pokemon are in the first and second slot. In order to fix it, select one of your pokemon that isnt knocked out. At the Summery/Check moves/Shift screen, hit "Shift" as normal. You will be returned to the main pokemon selection screen. At this point, tap the fainted first-slot pokemon. This will shift the non-fainted pokemon into the first slot, as if you had changed its order out of battle. At this point you can proceed normally. Hope that cleared it up. [[User:PowerPlantRaichu|PowerPlantRaichu]] 10:06, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

== Mistralton gym glitch ==

There is a glitch in the mistralton gym: By shooting yourself using the second last cannon, you'll be thrown at the wall instead of the ground. You should try it yourself. [[User:Flygonfanno1|Flygonfanno1]]
:Nope, that is intentional. If it were a glitch, you would probably go through the wall. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:04, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Subway Glitch ==

Hey, I've just encountered a glitch while on the BS. I was using my Dusknoir and Banette (Dream World abilities) in the Double Train and used Curse and Toxic on the foe Ducklett. Eventually the foe Ducklett's HP NEVER reduces, even when afflicted by poison, curse and attacked. Thus, I was forced to quit. [[User:Lugia61617|Lugia61617]] 17:39, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
:Did you save the film? [[User:Hezekiah|Hezekiah]] 17:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
:: No, unfortunately... But I have found, on later attempts, that it seemed any time a combination of Curse and poisoning via Toxic is used on a pokemon - notably the left one - would stop going down (originally I believed this to be only when it hit 1 HP, though in the second test the Pokemon was stuck with green health). Strangely my third attempt at replicating this failed as the glitch didn't occur... [[User:Lugia61617|Lugia61617]] 18:11, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

== Pinwheel Forest and Moor of Icirrus music glitch ==

I finally got around making a video of a glitch I discovered some time ago.(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp5JI-n2Gps) I haven't seen this documented anywhere yet, so should it be added here? [[User:Hheebo|Hheebo]] 22:03, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
:I'd say go ahead, there's nothing stopping you as long as it's valid and can be replicated. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 22:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
::Created an entry for it. My cart is European, bought 3/4/11 but I'm fairly certain it works on all versions. If someone wants to make a better video, be my guest, the quality of my camera is kinda bad and I didn't have a platform to stabilize it. [[User:Hheebo|Hheebo]] 12:09, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== 1 hp glitch ==

I was battling the elite four trying to evolve yanma, and he had already leveled up so i switched him out so he would stop getting exp. and an attack that should have killed him didn't and he was left with 1 hp but i couldn't attack or switch out or use items or anything so i had to turn my 3ds off. this happened again today when i was training a duskull to evolve and i was trying to purposely lose so i could check on a pokemon in gts but the game acted like he fainted but he had 1 hp left and i switched to my volcarona and the game froze. sorry for no capitalization or punctuation im just typing this really fast. [[User:Mastergiygas11|MasterGiygas]] 03:38, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
*It's another version of the fainted pokemon glitch. We don't know what triggers this glitch but try to put it on this talk page whenever it happens.[[User:Auragirl|Auragirl]] 15:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

::That happened to me a few times, too. Apparently (at least in this instance) you can't switch out, use items, or even Struggle. I think it happens mostly if you send out a low-leveled Pokémon against a much higher-level Pokémon. Here's a link [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blWrNDIIyR8]. [[User:Dimenticare|Dimenticare]] ([[User talk:Dimenticare|talk]]) 19:18, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

== Walk through NPCs glitch ==

I was playing Pokemon White on the school bus and I accidently walked through a NPC.
It happened when I walked onto the same spot as someone else at the exact same time as they did.
It happened twice, actually, once with the guy in the house on route 14, and once with the old lady that tells stories
in Lacunosa town, but inside of the house.
The NPCs did not move, but I could walk out of them. Also, there isn't any way to do this glitch other than just timing it right.
[[User:PokemonPearl|PokemonPearl]] 23:53, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

== Wrong Pokemon Glitch? ==

Hi guys. I found a glitch where if you hatch a traded level 1 Zorua in the front of your party, have an Archen at the back of your party, and enter a wild Pokemon battle, the Zorua will be called "Archen" and have Archen's sprite, but still function as Zorua.

That's Zorua's ability, [[Illusion]]. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 23:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

== PP Glitch ==

I found a glitch in Pokémon White where if you replace a move with less PP than the move the Pokémon is trying to learn, then the new move will only have that much PP until you heal it at the Pokémon Center. For example, if you get rid of Sheer Cold, which has 5 PP, and replace it with Surf, which has 15 PP, Surf's PP will be 5/15 instead of 15/15 until you heal at a Pokémon Center. Is this worth mentioning? It can happen with any move. ([[User:Charizard101|Charizard101]] 23:19, 7 April 2012 (UTC))
:That's not a glitch. It's intended to keep players from using TMs multiple times to restore PP. See [[TM#Generation V|here]] --[[User:Darth Zekrom|'''Darth''']] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|'''Zekrom''']] 00:53, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks a lot. :) ([[User:Charizard101|Charizard101]] 20:26, 8 April 2012 (UTC))

== Relic Castle Glitch ==

Thanks to whoever updated this section! :) I couldn't figure out exactly where it was, since I didn't have my Black game with me at the moment. ([[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] 22:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC))

== Is this considered a Glitch? ==

When leveling up against the Elite Four, in the middle of the battle the Pokémon I am leveling up has a messed up HP level. For example, instead of saying HP 150/150, It would say HP 151/150. If my Pokémon does not have the ability Sturdy, and then is KO'd by a Pokémon; it will freeze my game and say that the Pokémon has fainted with 1 HP remaining. [[User:G50|태권도]] [[User_talk:G50|합기도]] 11:09, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
:It sounds like an extension of the 1 HP fainting glitch mentioned in a few sections above this one. Never heard of it having an effect before the faint, though. Hmm. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 14:09, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
::It's entirely possible this is what causes the 1HP glitch. As for what causes this though... --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:33, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

== Are these glitches? ==
The track doesn't change to the instrumental one if you use Fly within Opelucid City. I flew from the Gym to the PokéCenter and the music did not change. I noticed this in White.
The second's in Opelucid City as well, inside the Gym: There is a ledge square before the first dragon, where you can walk on air on both sides. The area you can walk on is only one square. [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 07:11, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
:The first one is a glitch, the second one I can't find the tile you're talking about. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
:: I've tried the second one and it does indeed seem to be a glitch. You can walk on either side of one of the little staircases. I'll try and see if I can find the place again and get photographs. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 22:09, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Can't wait. The Gen V gitches is actually my fave page. In fact, the only rrason I joined here was to post a barrellload of glitches that I found.

I even started doing the craziest glitch tests recently. (Yes, I tried to surf while facing out the door in Cafe Warehouse.)

Back on topic, I don't get the first glitch. Can it be explained any simpler please? PS I found a third glitch. You see the 2 small pyramids at the bottom when you enter the gym? You can walk on them. {{unsigned|AWild------Appeared}}
:Well, I am not sure for 100%. Assist in Generation III wouldn't call Eggs' moves, according to article it doesn't that in Gen IV either, but it can call Eggs' moves in Gen V. And, description seems like if it ''shouldn't'', as description mentions only Pokémon, not Eggs. Also, please check if the things you found are actually glitches. If you're unsure, ask someone, like [[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|SnorlaxMonster]]. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 12:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
::I believe AWild------Appeared was referring to the first glitch mentioned in this section, not the first glitch listed on the page (if you did mean the Assist Egg glitch, then I apologize). Since the term "variable scoring" isn't that well known, I added the musicians next to each town name. As for the Opelucid Gym glitch, you are not walking on top of the pyramids, but behind them. Try taking a step back; that is the tile that the pyramid occupies. Anyway, I actually prefer having the questions asked on these talk pages, since I still see them and other people can answer them too if they want. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:19, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I still don't get it. Do you mean if you fly from opelucid to nacrene and you aproach the acordion man he would sound like violin? ps i think you can go through those pyramids, VERY SLIGHTLY :) And the solid blocks before the gym pedestal. Glitch? [[User:AWild------Appeared|AWild------Appeared]] 16:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
:Oh, that's where you're confused. You need to fly to the town you're already in; I'll clarify that in the article. As for the pyramids, I don't see any clipping. I'm unsure about those Gym pedestals; no other Gym pedestal does it, so I think they are. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:21, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

NOW I see. :dumbwitface: When you're near the musician the music stickes when you fly to where you are.

Mabye you're right about the pyramids. If you're wanting to know about the floating guy glitch:
You see the sloping bit b4 the first dragon tail? Press ^ or v and float.

PS When you reach the gym leader you cant walk on the shadowed bits at the very back. Glitch?
[[User:AWild------Appeared|EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE]]14:39, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
:I found the walking on air glitch thanks to your description. I don't think the shadowed tiles behind the Gym Leader is a glitch though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:50, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

== I can't put up this video. ==

My article editing skills (like I have any) have failed me. I have this video that you need for the Fainted Pokemon Glitch section but I can't put it up. Here is the link so somebody else can. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWXjGusQZd0 --[[User:DrBrock|DrBrock]]
:Done. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:19, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

==Help!==
I need someone to add a video of the Music memory glitches in BW.
Thank you. - [[User:AWild------Appeared|A wild ------ appeared ]] ([[User talk:AWild------Appeared|talk]]) 17:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Well?

[[User Talk:AWild------Appeared|'''A Wild (?) Appeared''' ]] 11:14, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

==Bronzong "glitch"==

The fact that Bronzong's eyes flash when on the field but not in the summary or Pokedex screens is not a glitch. If you'll notice, Pokemon will always blink randomly on the field but only perform their set animations elsewhere. This likely isn't a glitch because the blinking is random and an addition to the Pokemon's set animation; it is likely a mechanic that is intentionally activated only during battle.

The flashing of Bronzong's eyes IS its blinking. It just can't close its eyes as most Pokemon can, so they flash white. That runs on the same generator that causes Pokemon's eyes to randomly blink in battle but not in the summary or Pokedex. It is not a glitch. [[User:Kianglo|Kianglo]] 02:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

:I can see the reasoning behind [[User:Kianglo|Kianglo]]'s view on the 'glitch'. If one were to look at spritesheets for the Pokemon in Gen V, there are several 'parts' that make up the whole sprite and some are stored differently (see here for example: http://spriters-resource.com/ds/pokemonblackwhite/sheet/34139 ). One of the main parts stored differently are the Pokemon's eyes, which is used for making them close when put to sleep. Because it's independent from the main sprite we'd see, different things can be applied to them during battle or out of battle, such as blinking.

:In short I'd like to second that this isn't a glitch, but rather just differing sprite behavior. [[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] 05:35, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

==Not Sure==
I found a few trainers that can be battled multiple times if you leave the route and go back onto it. When you walk in front of them you engage in battle again.
[[User: Tybo10000|Tybo]][[User talk: Tybo10000|10000]] 01:40, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
:In B2W2, Breeders do this. It is very unlikely to be a glitch. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:01, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

==PokéRus==
hi i recently went to celestial tower and rang the bell 5 times in a row then i battled a couple of litwick using my roserade when i left the tower all of the Pokémon in my party had pokerus is this a glitch[[User:Pachirisupancakes|Pachirisupancakes]] ([[User talk:Pachirisupancakes|talk]]) 19:32, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
:It means that you likely encountered a wild Litwick with PokéRus, made [[contact]] with it, and spread it through your whole party. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:01, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
::It's not a glitch. Read the [[Pokérus]] article for more information. You actually got extremely lucky :) ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 09:19, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

omg!i must be the luckiest pokemon trainer ever my first main series pokemon game was heartgold and i already have 14 legitamate shiny pokemon and 19 pokemon with pokerus！！！！♥♥♥♥[[User:Pachirisupancakes|Pachirisupancakes]] ([[User talk:Pachirisupancakes|talk]]) 20:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I seriously don't know. I got like 3 Pokérussed Pokémon through trades - in a row. - [[User:AWild------Appeared|A wild ------ appeared ]] ([[User talk:AWild------Appeared|talk]]) 17:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

==Liberty Garden Fly glitch==
Hi, I don't know if you noticed that glitch I've recently added... it's a glitch in which the Liberty Garden point on the map becomes red when selected, as it could be flown to, something that doesn't happen when the player selects any of the other green points. Now I am asking the ones who have got B2W2: could you please test your games in order to know if they have also got that glitch, as it's just confirmed to be present in BW? Thanks. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 20:11, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
:Ok someone else introduced the edit I needed ty. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 16:34, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

== Celestial Tower and Wellspring Cave B-button glitches ==

Are we entirely sure these are glitches? I was under the impression that they were in place to trip up players who try to run past the NPCs without battling. You can see a similar thing happening with NPCs that just turn in place- if you try to run past them and you're close enough, they'll turn your way and thus notice you if you haven't fought them yet. Could someone look into this? [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 02:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
:I personally think they're glitches. At least Celestial Tower, which is the one I remember the best, it happens if you just press B, running or not. --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 02:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
:Same thing happens at Wellspring Cave. You just press the B-button and they take a certain amount of steps depending on the trainer class. (The Black Belt moves two steps and the Battle Girl moves only one if the button isn't spammed.) With four presses of the B-button (and giving the time to walk) you can avoid all of them. [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 01:25, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
::The NPCs I mentioned before act like that, too- they look at you if you press B, even if you don't move. I still think it's just a variant on that. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 16:29, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

==Game Layout Peek==

Hey, are you sure that those weird freezes really just happen when you remove the cartridge from the system? I mean, could those visual glitches also appear if the DS suddenly froze up for other reasons? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 17:05, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Well yeah, maybe it would happen for other freezes. But what easier is it to freeze your game than to remove your game card? Trying to spawn a 3TrainerPoké in Pokémon White? - [[User Talk:AWild------Appeared|'''A Wild (?) Appeared''' ]] 11:12, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

== About the Skyla glitch in B2W2 ==

Do you think we should put an image of Skyla's sprite from B2W2 in the section describing her sprite glitch, for illustration purposes? '''[[User:Haxorus|Hax]][[User talk:Haxorus|or]][[Special:Contributions/Haxorus|us]]''' 16:08, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think that with the proper description it would be useful. Ask it to SnorlaxMonster, please. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 16:10, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

== Assist egg glitch ==

I thought that that was not a glitch. It happened to me in black
:Well, in previous generations it did not take use any moves from an Egg. Since an Egg cannot use any move (or battle anyways) it seems to be a mistake for Assist to use the moves of Eggs. [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 01:45, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
::No, this has been bugging me, how sure are we that it's a glitch and not a new feature of Assist? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:12, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
:::Hm, if we know if this has been changed between BW to B2W2, then it would point towards a glitch in how Assist works will Eggs. If it does not change, then we might have to wait until the next game comes out to see what happens. That is a very good point. [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 00:25, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

== Missing shadow glitch ==

I've found a "glitch" in B2W2. In White Forest, outside that big tree, there is a tree that doesn't have a shadow/the lower part of the model. I dunno if this is more of an error than a glitch, but I wanted to tell you. MAN B2W2 has a lot of glitches! Link here: [http://i48.tinypic.com/2afkc20.jpg]

[[User:Mattii|Mattii]] ([[User talk:Mattii|talk]]) 13:28, 8 September 2012 (UTC) (Mucrush)
:I would say it is a graphical glitch, like a grass tile outside of Floccesy Ranch. In any case, consider it added. (I would like to note that I believe there is fewer glitches from B2W2 at the moment than most games.) [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:07, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

== Season change error? ==

I was playing my copy of Pokemon White this morning and put my Piloswine and witdraw Petilil while giving it a Lucky Egg. As soon as I exited the Pokemon Center in Lacunosa Town and the screen rapidly changed the season from Autumn all the way to Spring! I went to check my Deerling in the PC and it still had the Autumn sprite. I began playing the game again a few minutes ago and the game had indeed changed to the Spring season. Maybe the glitch was caused by not playing for 2 months. Anyone else able to replicate this glitch? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 20:11, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
:This usually happens every time you haven't played for at least 2 months. It happens all the time in the game from what I've seen. [[User:G50|''ㄱ'']][[User talk:G50|''쉰'']] G50 20:26, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
::Would this be worth adding to the page then if it hasn't been mentioned elsewhere? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 04:02, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
:::Sorry for telling you this, but those comments could only come from someone who doesn't know much about this matter. 2 things:

*The game ALWAYS skips the non-played seasons, which are just updated when you're outside. That's no glitch! The programmers HAD that in mind.

*The Deerlings and Sawsbucks, from the moment you catch them, never change form again.

Next time try to get started in a matter that you consider that weird, just to be sure it's a glitch. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 16:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
:Deerling and Sawsbuck do what? I might be no genius, neither I have any of these on hand now but [[Form differences|article]] says other thing: ''In both instances, the Pokémon will change forms when the season changes (when the players exits a cave or building) while it is in the party.'' (also, seasons only update when the place "transites", like exiting caves, buildings, or the exiting/entering [[Floccesy Ranch]]) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 17:22, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
::Yeah, I understand what you're saying, Marked, but he said that he had checked it on the PC. Wjen they're on the PC, the form doesn't change. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 18:04, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

== Unused area in P2 Lab (BW) ==

If you use cheats that let you walk through walls, then go into the P2 Labatory building, and keep walking down,you will find some unused tables and chairs. Could we include this in the article?

...

.....

You know, that puts me in mind of Minecraft's Far Lands. You basically use cheats to walk through walls, keep walking out of the level for about 34 days (using mods to teleport there is way easier), you will come across some glitchy terrain. I wonder if there is something similar in Pokémon... - [[User Talk:AWild------Appeared|'''A Wild (?) Appeared''' ]] 17:17, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

That sounds like material for the Gen V beta page, rather than this one. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 18:00, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, think we should put it in. But then again, it's quite glitchy!! - [[User Talk:AWild------Appeared|'''A Wild (?) Appeared''' ]] 18:18, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
:Nope, it's more beta than a glitch. It must have been put there purposely at some point, but then was supposed to be removed but was forgotten about. Or is there for some other unknown reason. Not for this page. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 18:21, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

BTW, if you go to the white bits at the edge of the screen, tthen you will actually go under it. - [[User Talk:AWild------Appeared|'''A Wild (?) Appeared''' ]] 18:56, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

== A semi-glitches section?==
Make a semi-glitches section for the page, where we can list old, forgotten "glitches" like the Bike speed glitch, Bike music glitch 2 and these B-Button glitches. - [[User Talk:AWild------Appeared|'''A Wild (?) Appeared''' ]] 19:23, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
:Nope, it's all glitches: some may be more minor than others, but it's all glitches! Once a list of minor glitches used to exist on Bulbapedia, but then it was deleted and now it redirects to [[Glitch]]. I think such thing happened because of controversy about how to tell one from another, and also, this page is supposed to show all the glitches, but with the main ones (not meaning that all the other ones shoulkd be considered minor) being on a separate article, redirected to as the main page on the section from here. Just ignore. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 19:34, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
::The reason the [[List of minor glitches]] article no longer exists is that it was getting incredibly long and the definition of "minor" was debatable. It was split into five different lists for each generation (one of which is this page) and a spin-off games list, and these lists include all glitches rather than just minor ones. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:58, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

==Random game freezing==
I used to get it often. - [[User Talk:AWild------Appeared|'''A Wild (?) Appeared''' ]] 19:23, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
:<s>Just don't be ridiculous!</s> Yeah, it also happens to me a lot, but not because it's a glitch. It's right to say that many glitches cause freezing, but the "random" ones happen due to things like a damaged console (that's my case). [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 19:34, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

When you said that's my case, I thought for a sec you were putting your case into the DS. I was like wth? lol.
For me, it either happens when I drop my DS, or when I take out the card during gameplay.
Talking of dropping DS's, I accidentally dropped mine out of the top bunk. Big cracks appeared on the top screen and then some big black blotches appeared. I actually got really sad and started crying like a 2 yr old with its hand cut off.
I'm getting another DS, but I'm keeping my old one too. - [[User Talk:AWild------Appeared|'''A Wild (?) Appeared''' ]] 19:40, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
:The game freezing is not a glitch! Dropping the console will obviously make the game freeze! As will taking the game out. Not glitches! ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 22:05, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

::Yeah, but they can cause them. - [[User Talk:Minecraft246|'''A Wild (?) Appeared''' ]] 11:51, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
:::No, the game freezing causes you to reset your console. It doesn't cause glitches... ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 12:08, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
::::Actually, sometimes, it can cause the graphics to become odd, cause a [[glitch song]], or makes early game screens look like multiple colourful vertical lines ([[Game freeze]]). [/argument]. - [[User Talk:Minecraft246|'''A Wild (?) Appeared''' ]] 12:54, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
:::::Oh, when are you going to understand?... yeah, the graphics becoming odd glitch is already documented [[List of glitches in Generation V#Game layout peek|here]]. About the rest, it's just too much minor: can you imagine the music flowing to the columns? Now what happens if everything stops flowing? Yeah, unless it is still memorized on the console, it will obviously get stuck in the same sound, causing that scary effect. About the colorful vertical liunes, I think you're talking about the early games: in there, that's the basic picture, nothing special. Please, try not to always think about pointless things in the future. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 17:50, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
::::::*facepalm with spikes on palm* [[User Talk:AWild------Appeared|'''A Wild (?) Appeared''' ]] 07:16, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

== Music memory glitch needs a video. ==

Can someone make one video that shows both variants of the [[List of glitches in Generation V#Music memory glitch|Music memory glitch]] please? Remember to link it here! - [[User Talk:Minecraft246|'''A Wild (?) Appeared''' ]] 12:57, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

== Biker speed glitch ==

I doubt it's an optical illusion- it happens even if you're standing still, as long as you're holding down the B button. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 23:47, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
:...so I think we need a video, because many people could think that. Don't you? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 00:01, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
::Fine, I'll try to provide one and upload it ASAP. [[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] ([[User talk:Chicobo329|talk]]) 00:03, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's a glitch and more so something that was planned. I believe it works with some people not even on bikes in BW2. [[User:Hyper Shadow|Hyper Shadow]] ([[User talk:Hyper Shadow|talk]]) 20:08, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
:It's a glitch because of its unusual behavior. It's not even restricted to bikers, as the Smashers and Hoopsters in Village Bridge also exhibit this behavior and that 'heartbreaker' Charles does not speed up when B is held [[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] ([[User talk:Chicobo329|talk]]) 20:49, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
:: it's NOT a GLITCH! --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 22:42, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

== Breeders in BW2 ==

There a possible glitch that's being talked about that I've seen where Breeders battle you every time leave re-enter a route eg Route 4. Is this a glitch or simply a characteristic of the trainer? The confusion is my opinion is that it's unusual that they would implement something like that in the sequels and not the originals. Thanks [[User:Tadzo|Tadzo]] ([[User talk:Tadzo|talk]]) 21:33, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
:It's a new thing. Also on purpose. Not a glitch. One of them even says "I'll battle you every time you visit!" or something like that.--[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
::In fact an NPC even mentions that a nearby Pokemon Breeder rebattles you. Just a new feature to attempt to compensate for the lack of a Vs. Seeker. [[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] ([[User talk:Chicobo329|talk]]) 01:36, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

== Kyurem formes glitch? ==

I saw this video online and I was wondering if someone could try to replicate it since I cannot do so at this time. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRal3WZmsjE&list=UUjFM3lstZnugK_QV_60aTlw&index=1&feature=plcp]] --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 01:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
:You can't have two different forms of Kyurem at once. The DNA Splicers' description actually changes once it has been used, and cannot fuse Pokémon if it has already fused two. It appears he hacked White Kyurem into existence then used the DNA Splicers to merge two, put Black Kyurem in the fused Pokémon holding zone (as the data has to be kept somewhere), the defused the other one, resulting in Kyurem and the Pokémon in the holding zone. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:03, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
::Oh, thank you for mentioning that. I did not have the games at the time and was just getting to the part involving Kyurem. Thank you for the reply. :) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 04:54, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== Is this a glitch? ==

When my {{p|Zoroark}}'s HP is at red, it plays the alarm. After its {{a|Illusion}} wears off, the alarm restarts. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 17:54, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
* Restarts? You mean the music track skips back to the beginning? Sounds like another minor glitch to me. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 18:08, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
::Yes, it skips back to the beginning. (By the way, this is Black 2 with N's Zorua evolved.) --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 18:10, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
:::I've experienced this too, doesn't seem so much like a glitch as much as the sound effects from Illusion conflicting with the low HP music being cued in a way that makes an awkward mess of sound. --[[User:Kianglo|Kianglo]] ([[User talk:Kianglo|talk]]) 01:43, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

== Glitches or features? ==
I'm not sure that all of the things listed here would actually count as glitches. For instance, the "N glitch" doesn't seem like a glitch at all; rather, it's very likely that Game Freak didn't intend for you to get into battles or leave the area until you'd finished with N. The "Biker speed bug" is debatable; it could very well be a feature to prevent the player from just running to evade Trainers (similarly to how trainers who rotate in place do so faster when running). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:38, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
:The "N glitch" is my fault since I thought at the time that you were stuck with N following the player if N appeared in two spots. (I will fix that in a bit though it would be nice if an english video can be found.) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 20:23, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
::I've said before that the "B-button glitches" in general likely aren't glitches- there's trainers in most of the games that look right at you if you try to run past them. It's not even the B-button that does it, since auto-run in HGSS will get their attention as well. BW just expanded on it. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 01:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
:::The only thing that stops me short on the B button glitch is that it happens even if you press B without moving anywhere. If you just hold B while standing still there will still be a speed increase. And this behavior only happens with certain NPC types rather than all of them. This doesn't seem like consistent behavior to me and it reminds me a lot of a similar run-button bug in the Earthbound Zero US prototype/Mother 1+2 compilation. Not having encounters while N is with is likely because N has no backsprite and entering a battle with him following you can potentially mess up the game or cause strange behavior; this makes it more of a failsafe rather than a glitch.[[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] ([[User talk:Chicobo329|talk]]) 06:59, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
::::(N glitch - Two Ns can appear. If this occurs, then it appears that the player is stuck as N will not be able to leave and the player cannot leave. See the video for more information.) <-- That is the best I can explain what the N Glitch should mean. Maybe it should be renamed something else to help since N glitch wasn't a good choice now that I think about it. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 01:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

== OT Change Glitch? ==
Along time ago when Black and White first came out, I was visiting my cousin and we were both playing Black. (English version BTW). I was around Pinwheel forest while she was already at Route 4. We were playing around, and we would catch Pokemon, give them weird nicknames and trade them to each other. Later when I came home my brother was looking at the Pokemon my cousin traded to me. I was telling him she caught them, but he said "No, they're yours, it says that the OT is you" and I was like what? Sure enough, two of the Pokemon my cousin traded to me had me as the OT. It didn't make sense since I wasn't at that part of the game yet, and she gave them the nicknames. I was able to rename them in my game too, and they didn't get boosted EXP. the two Pokemon were Sandile and Darumaka. I think this glitch only appeared on my game and I don't think it happened on my cousin's. We have both restarted our games by now and the Pokemon are gone, but I still find this really odd. Nothing has happened like this since.
Tl;dr, the Pokemon my cousin traded to me somehow got the OT and ID switched to mine. --[[User:Ondelez46regigigas|Ondelez46regigigas]] ([[User talk:Ondelez46regigigas|talk]]) 06:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
this happened to me with a gts pachirisu but i couldnt change the nickname even though they had my ot and my id number i was playing european black btw i still have the pokemon if anyone wants proof[[User:Pachirisupancakes|Pachirisupancakes]] ([[User talk:Pachirisupancakes|talk]]) 14:40, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

== Fixed Glitches ==

Yeah, the article said to discuss this. I can confirm that the Nacrene City Café glitch has been fixed in Black 2 and White 2. I will investigate more. [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] ([[User Talk:KyuremsIceBlade|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|Contribs]]) 03:11, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

The trainers in Celestial Tower have changed, and none of them react to the B button, so I guess you could call that "fixed." [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] ([[User Talk:KyuremsIceBlade|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|Contribs]]) 03:19, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I tried to confirm the "invisible wall" glitch in the Dreamyard as was unable to (walked on all seemingly open tiles all around all three stair cases attached to the basement, above and below ground). If I could get a screenshot of the glitched area in BW I could more completely confirm that it has been fixed [[User:Vlad.frostbringer|Vlad.frostbringer]] ([[User talk:Vlad.frostbringer|talk]]) 14:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an image of it, but the row of tiles directly to the left of the staircase in the upper right corner of the map (on the outside) cannot be walked on in BW. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:35, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

== Money glitch? ==

Check this out. I beat Cilan and Chili with an Amulet Coin and Prize Money Power ↑↑↑, and got this.
[http://i.imgur.com/7LLda.jpg]
?3680 pokedollars as prize money. The total multiplier with AC/LI and PMP↑↑↑ seems to be 6x and the base money from beating the brothers in Challenge Mode is 17280, so I got 103680. But there's only space for five digits so there's a ? instead of a 10. [[User:Hheebo|Hheebo]] ([[User talk:Hheebo|talk]]) 17:54, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think it could be considered a glitch that works on all the gen V games. Adding it. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 16:01, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

== Mail Glitch? ==

I found a glitch on my Pokemon White Version 2 game; it's a glitch with the mail. After trading with a friend, I read the mail, and I decided to check the Pokemon. Its ability description disappeared not even a second after I tried to read it (it reappears when you check on another Pokemon's stats and back). Here's the video I recorded of the glitch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz9ATutPWv0. Does anyone know why this happens? --[[User:AlbeinoLucario|AlbeinoLucario]] ([[User talk:AlbeinoLucario|talk]]) 22:57, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
: I have ''no'' idea why that might happen, but I can confirm another incident of it with my White 2 and a Magnemite I got off the GTS. Nice to know I wasn't hallucinating... [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 23:09, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
::I can confirm it too. I've done additional testing and found if you instead view a different Pokémon's Ability, it also disappears. If you leave the menu and then go back in, the Ability description still disappears. If you first view another Pokémon's information screen, scroll to another Pokémon's screen, and then view the Ability text, it still disappears. However, if the game is saved, an Egg hatched, the Bag opened, or a battle initiated between reading the mail and checking the Ability, the description will not disappear. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:50, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

== Triple Battle Hp # Glitch? ==

In the PWT, I was facing Janine in a triple battle. I wasn't paying much attention, but at one point I noticed that my HP bar was now gone; it had been replaced with numerical values. In the next battle, it had changed back to the usual green bar without number. Could somebody please try to figure this out? [[User:CraftyWeavile|CraftyWeavile]] ([[User talk:CraftyWeavile|talk]]) 01:22, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
: I forget exactly how,. but you can toggle between the bar and the numbers. You probably just hit the Select button or whatever it is on accident. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 03:02, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
:SELECT?! Why have I never been told this?! [[User:CraftyWeavile|CraftyWeavile]] ([[User talk:CraftyWeavile|talk]]) 23:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

== Disappearing egg glitch ==

Well, while viewing the pokemon's profile, the game sorta just skipped the section for the egg. the egg was in the third slot.
video on the glitch >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ciiV9f_gI
this actually happened quite a few times already. {{unsigned|Kyo~}}
: That's because you're looking at the second page of the summaries. Eggs only have the first page. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 16:07, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

== Two glitches I came across ==

First off, the Join Avenue one seems to have happened to me, but it happened after I transferred my DS data from my Lite to my 3DS, so I wonder if it isn't a glitch, but just a way to prevent time changing abuse (since the times are going to vary ever so slightly)?

Secondly, my Dialga, when transferred from Pearl to White at the same time as Palkia, somehow learned Spacial Rend. Anybody else experience this, or can we just file this under, "Somebody's game had a hiccup that is likely never going to happen again"? --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 07:53, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

== Giant Chasm time glitch ==

Just happened to pass by giant chasm at night when it turn to morning instead. It's not because the clock just happened to hit morning thus the change. Kyurem/ giant chasm is also not a pokemon/place meant to distort time. video here>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuYoHjEqeyo
[[User:Kyo~|Kyo~]] ([[User talk:Kyo~|talk]]) 07:53, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
: The only difference I can see is that the Giant Chasm is foggy and the route isn't. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 15:43, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
::On Route 13, grass looks like it's night (it's blueish). But in Giant Chasm, it's like as if it was morning or day (it's greenish). There's a noticeable change in color of grass. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 16:42, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
:::Just play your own version of the game. The colour change is probably more noticeable then the recorded one. [[User:Kyo~|Kyo~]] ([[User talk:Kyo~|talk]]) 00:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
::::It can also be seen on Route 14 and 15. {{p|Dialga}} seems to have created a time-changing fog. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

== Mareep/Lass Molly Glitch? ==

I don't know if this is a glitch, but if you force the Mareep up to the Lass, she'll run into it (Like if the play character stood next to her, she'd run into the player.)
I have video of this and can put a link up.[[User:☆glaceon☆|☆glaceon☆]] ([[User talk:☆glaceon☆|talk]]) 00:58, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
: I don't see how that's a glitch? The Mareep is solid like the player, so she's going to run into it like she would the player, It'd be a glitch if she ran through it like it wasn't there. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 04:13, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Alright, just checking.[[User:☆glaceon☆|☆glaceon☆]] ([[User talk:☆glaceon☆|talk]]) 16:46, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

== "Biker Speed Glitch" not a glitch ==

As far as I can tell, the "Biker Speed Glitch" is not a glitch at all. It only happens with trainers who are either actively playing a sport (the smashers and hoopsters at the Village Bridge) or are on some sort of vehicle (bikers and cyclists). This suggests, to me at least, that it is a feature, to make it seem like the bikers are speeding up and the people playing sports are running faster at the same time you do.

Besides, the effect is incredibly obvious, so I would think it would be one of the first things fixed for Black and White 2 if it was a glitch.--[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]] ([[User talk:Pkmn|talk]]) 07:14, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

: I really don't know why there's such a debate over this particular glitch. People against the idea that it's a glitch say it's just a way to make it harder for players to avoid the trainers. However the fact they exhibit this abnormal behavior when you hold B, even while sitting still (this is important!), suggest otherwise. There have been games with NPC speed glitches related to a run button before, the best example off the top of my head is Mother/Earthbound Zero. [[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] ([[User talk:Chicobo329|talk]]) 11:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
::The bike speed behaviour alone does appear to be a glitch; however, when you see that there are all these other B button behaviours, many of which are complex enough that they couldn't be unintentional (such as the Celestial Tower Trainers skipping facing the wall and all the different ways the Wellspring Cave Trainers respond to the B button), there is sufficient evidence that the cyclists speeding up due to pressing B is intentional. Even if it is, it is better to assume things are not glitches until there is sufficient reason to believe so. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:55, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

==Strength==
In my black 2, the animation for strength was black instead of orange but it was normal when I used it again.[[User:Auragirl|Auragirl]] ([[User talk:Auragirl|talk]]) 23:36, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

== Route 19 glitch ==

Just west of town there's a movement permission glitch where you can walk into the face of a cliff.

At the ramp where you can go up to retrieve the nest ball, the error is there [http://i.snag.gy/MIMAZ.jpg]. Walk upwards... and you're inside the cliff face [http://i.snag.gy/QT7qX.jpg]. You can walk one more step to the right while inside the cliff; in total there's 2 incorrect permissions. [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] ([[User talk:Kaphotics|talk]]) 01:17, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
:Suppose you guys might want a video of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I2pMi5niK0 — [[User:Kaphotics|Kaphotics]] ([[User talk:Kaphotics|talk]]) 01:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

==2 New PokéStar Studios glitches==

Excuse me for my lack of wikicode knowledge, but I have discovered 2 new glitches, which are:
*1st, PokéStar Studios U-turn/Volt Switch glitch: When the Pokémon uses U-turn/Volt Switch in a film instead of giving the message "(Pokémon)-went-back-to-(Trainer's name)." it will say instead "(Pokémon)-went-back-to--." (I used - for spaces to show that the name becomes a blank space). This happens whether or not the name is changed in the film. I do not know if this happens with Baton Pass.
*2nd, PokéStar Studios Illusion glitch: When doing a film where your name is based off of the lead Pokémon name, you aloud bring 2 or more Pokémon, and you bring a Pokémon with the ability Illusion in the lead, then the name will change 1-3 times in the film. Times that the name changes are: when the battle starts(becomes copied Pokémon's name), when Illusion is broken (becomes the Pokémon who is using Illusion), when a line choice comes up (becomes copied Pokémon again), and at the end of the film (becomes the name of the Pokémon on the field). The film preview, the film intro, and the credits will still show the correct name though. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 19:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
I tested it and Baton Pass does not any message, so the first glitch only happens with U-turn and Volt Switch.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 18:22, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

==switch box glitch==
I added this glitch to the list yesterday. just wondering, is it normal for people to just butcher it or was my grammar that bad or something.{{unsigned|Raykyogrou0}}
:Well, your writing style wasn't really encyclopedic, you should write in the third person instead of using "you". And yes, it ''is'' normal to "butcher" other users' edits in a wiki so that they sound better.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 10:56, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
::Basically, the wiki is freely editable by everyone, and if you submit text it is completely normal for someone to come along and completely rewrite it. It is also normal for it to left the way it was when submitted for years. It really just depends on the way it was written and how popular the page is. But the main reason your text was so largely edited was, as Dennou mentioned, that it was written in second person (with "you"), which is unencylopedic and should not be used in the mainspace. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:02, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
:::Ah, the third person thing. I knew there was something wrong with it. Thanks for the info. This is actually the first time I added something here. And I don't write encyclopedias for a living lol [[User:Raykyogrou0|Raykyogrou0]] ([[User talk:Raykyogrou0|talk]]) 15:14, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

== Double battle glitch ==

This has happened to me a ton of times. I've been in a double battle and both of my Pokemon faint. When I try to switch out a second Pokemon, it says "(name) cannot be switched out!"

I have to reset each time that happens.

I added it to the page - let me know if this also happens to you.

[[User:ArceusVsMew|ArceusVsMew]] ([[User talk:ArceusVsMew|talk]]) 20:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)ArceusVsMew

:Are you sure you're not talking about a fainted pokémon? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 20:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

::Forget, what has been happening to you is actually what was in my other thory, and has already been discussed [[Talk:List_of_glitches_in_Generation_V#Double_battle_glitch|here]]. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 20:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:::See [[#Double battle glitch|the previous section on this]]. It's not a glitch, it's that positions now matter in battle and people assume it works like previous generations without reading the caption. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:21, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

== Regarding the Sandile glitch that was just added ==

I'm pretty sure I've seen this happen with other Pokemon, actually, sometimes due to their normal animations, sometimes due to the effects of a move animation. I can't remember any off the top of my head, though, but I think Entrainment's wobble-back-and-forth animation can sometimes cause it, for example... Want me to keep an eye out? [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 13:48, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
: Yes. Someone just added another instance of it. This is a general sprite animation glitch, not a bunch of separate specific glitches. Anyone want to help research this? [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 15:59, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

== Dritviel gym glitch ==

while playing my pokemon black 2 i discovered that you can still battle trainers after beating the gym but only if the light is turned off is this a glitch? {{unsigned|Icestar649}}

== No red X button? ==
In Black's PC box (move pokemon), I noticed that if I went into switch box mode, and then proceeded to change the name of the box, I would return to find that the red "X" in the corner had disappeared! The empty section still functioned as the X button did. I couldn't repeat this in White 2. --[[User:CraftyWeavile|CraftyWeavile]] ([[User talk:CraftyWeavile|talk]]) 00:26, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
:Worked fine here on Black, though the X only vanished when using switch box, and it reappeared after I got out of Switch Box. Is there something that I missed? The X also does not appear when using/giving an item on/to a Pokémon in the party. Not sure if it's intended, though it's likely. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 21:05, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:In the giving/using items mode, does the absent X still function? I have noticed that the X does not appear in this way, but I always thought that it wouldn't have been necessary. [[User:CraftyWeavile|CraftyWeavile]] ([[User talk:CraftyWeavile|talk]]) 02:13, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
::Ah. Tested the "missing" X in give/use items and no reaction. Mustn't have ever been there.[[User:CraftyWeavile|CraftyWeavile]] ([[User talk:CraftyWeavile|talk]]) 00:23, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

== exp glitch no gain ==

in my white game,i have seen a experience glitch where my Pokémon was battling multiple pokemon,including random wild ones at the beggining of my adventure and my pkmn would not gain experience at all {{unsigned|Zackattack 056 shinyraquaza}}
:That's not a glitch. You're likely not playing a legitimate copy of the game. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 20:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

btw it was legit i had played through the entire game and it happened when i restarted the game and i have heard of this in other games to,including one comment on jwittz youtube channel discussion made yesterday from black 2,but it could be a error of abusing the game chip because i lost mine like 7 times{{unsigned|Zackattack 056 shinyraquaza}}
== exp glitch no gain ==
in my white game,i have seen a experience glitch where my Pokémon was battling multiple pokemon,including random wild ones at the beggining of my adventure and my pkmn would not gain experience at all{{unsigned|Zackattack_056_shinyraquaza}}
:This is likely because the Pokemon White version of your game believes you are playing the game on a flash card or emulator. Although it may seem as though this is a glitch, it is actually an Anti-Piracy feature built into the game to discourage pirating of the game (or in other words, playing the game but not playing it on its game cartridge). [http://tcrf.net/Pokemon_White#Anti-Piracy Source]. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 03:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

thx,i was really confused,and also i did not do that btw ps i also could not save
every time i tried it froze :p {{unsigned|Zackattack_056_shinyraquaza}}

== Bike Music Glitch ==

When playing White Version a year or two ago, I found a glitch by accident that makes the overworld theme become the Bike music even when the player isn't on the bike. I just posted a video on Youtube describing the glitch, here's what I said about it: "This glitch only seems to work on older DS models, such as the DS and DS Lite, not the DSi models or 3DS models due to their faster processing power, I guess. To make the glitch work, you must go over to a shaking grass spot, quickly get on and off the bike, and walk into the shaking spot. After the battle ends, the bike music will start playing regardless of the player not being on the bike. The reason for me going into the bag was just to show that I wasn't playing a separate music track somewhere else, with the music and sounds coming from the same DS." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iytQYc1-HU&feature=youtu.be
I'm actually surprised that nobody had this happen to them. {{unsigned|E1337Xenos}}
: I've actually discovered a similar but much more minor glitch that works on the DSi. Getting on the bike and immediately changing areas in some places where there's no pause for loading (the southern gate into Skyarrow Bridge works well) will cause the game to play the bike music for a second and then freeze briefly before fixing the music. It also seems like getting on the bike, blasting into a new area and then almost immediately getting into a battle will cause a similar delay before the encounter animation starts, but I'll need to record that to check. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 15:11, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

== is this weather glitch actually a glitch? ==

ok so i was playing white 2 when i walked into a building and saw a cubchoo so i knew it was the wrong house so i left and it started to rain! i hate rain! {{unsigned|Valehd}} 11:11, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

:Really? Not a glitch. It's something called weather...If it's somewhere where it shouldn't rain, glitch.[[User:Iancee|Iancee]] ([[User talk:Iancee|talk]]) 23:02, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
:i was in iccirus city. weather shouldn't change THAT quickly. i did want to do the pep quiz --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 18:27, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

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I've been having a few issues with the main page. I can't click on the 'discussion', 'view source', 'history' or 'watch' buttons. Those buttons work on most other pages, so as far as I know, it's just this page. Also, these errors only occurred after the update. [[User:Cacnea7642|Cacnea]][[User Talk:Cacnea7642|7642]] 16:00, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
:Everything seems to be working fine on my end. Does anyone else seem to be having this problem? [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 16:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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:::Firefox won't let me click on any of the main page tabs other than article. --[[User:Charlie|Charlie]] ([[User talk:Charlie|talk]]) 17:50, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
::::After a bit of investigation, I think I've found and fixed the problem. Because of where the fixes were (i.e. not on the page itself but other pages that this depends on) it may take some time for the fix to actually take effect on your end. If it's still not working after giving it a day clearing your cache, let me know. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:44, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::It's all working again now [[User:Cacnea7642|Cacnea]][[User Talk:Cacnea7642|7642]] 15:55, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::At the end of the page, where the boxes appear (Enciclopediae Pokémonis and Nintendo Independent wikis), the reference to Bulbapedia is a redirect. As far as I know, it's a little stupid to have a link leading us to the same page! [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 10:40, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I don't see what you mean TheOriginalOne. That link to Bulbapedia is linking to the home page of our site, if it didn't link to the mainpage (where we already are) then what would it link to? '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 16:10, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::::It doesn't make sense to have a page linking to itself, so I think we should put the word "Bulbapedia" in bold, without linking to anything; the bold sign would indicate the users that they're already on the page. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 14:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

Can we make a ``Notable Quotes`section? [[User:TeamPlasmaN1212|TeamPlasmaN1212]] ([[User talk:TeamPlasmaN1212|talk]]) 21:11, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
On second thught, blast that. [[User:TeamPlasmaN1212|TeamPlasmaN1212]] ([[User talk:TeamPlasmaN1212|talk]]) 18:30, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I meant thought. [[User:TeamPlasmaN1212|TeamPlasmaN1212]] ([[User talk:TeamPlasmaN1212|talk]]) 18:31, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
:You do know you could have just edited what you said rather than making more clutter? [[User:BisumitoIsSnazzy|BisumitoIsSnazzy]] ([[User talk:BisumitoIsSnazzy|talk]]) 18:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

== Just curious; ==

On the main page, it states that Bulbapedia is supported by Bulbanews, Bulbagarden Archives, and Bulbagarden Forums. Shouldn't that mean it's supported by the National Bulbagraphic, too? Excuse me if this is an obvious question, I had just joined today. [[User:BisumitoIsSnazzy|BisumitoIsSnazzy]] ([[User talk:BisumitoIsSnazzy|talk]]) 18:27, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea too but I just submitted yesterday so don't know how much my opinion counts.....[[User:Insert Pokè-name|Insert Pokè-name]] ([[User talk:Insert Pokè-name|talk]]) 06:13, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think "supported by" is the correct term. They are all parts of [[Bulbagarden]]. The National Bulbagraphic is a part of Bulbanews. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:42, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
::National Bulbagraphic is currently not in production. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:20, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Is National Bulbagraphic specifically discontinued? If so, should its link in the Bulbagarden links section to the left of the page simply be merged into Bulbanews or the Bulbanews archive?[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] ([[User talk:Squirrelfeet|talk]]) 22:45, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

==I have a question...==
Okay, so lately, with the release of Black and White 2, Bulbapedia has put news from it on the front page. Just out of curiosity, are they going to go back to putting articles daily on the front page? [[User:JacobTheDoduo|JacobtheDoduo]] ([[User talk:JacobTheDoduo|talk]]) 20:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
:It's been pretty much decided that we're going to stick with just leaving the news feed up. It was very time consuming to replace the featured articles every day and we felt that this was easier. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 20:45, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
:: Thank you. [[User:JacobTheDoduo|JacobtheDoduo]] ([[User talk:JacobTheDoduo|talk]]) 20:47, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
:::It was fun reading daily featured article in the past. I sure hope Bulbapedia goes back to posting daily articles. It's been confusing to see the same twitter feed everyday "[[User:SimonOrJ|SimonOrJ]]"([[User:SimonOrJ|U]]/[[User talk:SimonOrJ|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/SimonOrJ|C]]) 21:27, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

== When is black and white 2 going to be in the U.S. ==

Hey, do you know when is black and white 2 going to be in the U.S. {{unsigned|Chezalpern}}
:[[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|This page]] is where you should look at first before asking questions about it. To answer your question, it's October 7th. --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 22:11, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
::Are we having a countdown for it on the front page, like for Black and White? - ''signed comment from [[User:GoldenCelebi|GoldenCelebi]] ([[User talk:GoldenCelebi|pedia talk]] • [[Bulbanews:User talk:GoldenCelebi|news talk]] • [[a:User talk:GoldenCelebi|archives talk]])'' ''18:16, 28 September 2012 (UTC)''
:::A MediaWiki update broke our counter and we haven't been able to find a suitable replacement yet. So no, we won't be. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:39, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

== National Bulbagraphic ==

Is National Bulbagraphic specifically discontinued? If so, should its link in the Bulbagarden links section to the left of the page simply be merged into Bulbanews or the Bulbanews archive? [[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] ([[User talk:Squirrelfeet|talk]]) 16:05, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

In an above statement under the section "Just curious" a similar question was asked, and the darklordtrom stated that National Bulbagraphic is officially discontinued. Please make sure to read above sections before posting questions :). Thanks. ([[User:Charizard101|Charizard101]] ([[User talk:Charizard101|talk]]) 20:03, 30 September 2012 (UTC))

::He said that it was not in production. I was just checking what that meant or if it would come back. Considering that it is not in production, should it not be moved to the archives?[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] ([[User talk:Squirrelfeet|talk]]) 12:50, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm thinking that National Bulbagraphic is probably not going to come back, but as for if it should be moved to the archives, that is a question that someone like MAGNEDETH or darklordtrom could easily answer. ([[User:Charizard101|Charizard101]] ([[User talk:Charizard101|talk]]) 14:04, 14 October 2012 (UTC))

== Unova Pokedex ==

I was browsing Amazon the other day looking at prices of stuff for the TCG when I came across the new Unova Pokedex from Jakks. I was wondering if I could make an article for the item since we also have an article for the Diamond and Pearl one. I believe I have enough information to create an article, though I can't upload pictures, so someone else would have to do that. ([[User:Charizard101|Charizard101]] ([[User talk:Charizard101|talk]]) 20:21, 30 September 2012 (UTC))
:I think it deserves a page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:09, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

== Images aren't loading ==

Well, most of the. I first noticed this on Dewott's page.--[[User:Goomba98|Goomba98]] ([[User talk:Goomba98|talk]]) 15:32, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:No images that are normal (as in, they're hosted on Archives; the logo near navigation is fine) are loading for me. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 15:34, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
::Same here, I thought I messed up somewhere while editing. I hope the staff are aware of the issue and are working on it. [[User:TheyCallMeMellowCello|TheyCallMeMellowCello]] ([[User talk:TheyCallMeMellowCello|talk]]) 18:20, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:::The images on that page appear to be loading fine for me. Maybe check that your addons are not blocking the images? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:31, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
::::I disabled all my Add-ons, and pictures are still not showing up. This doesn't just happen on Dewott's page, but other pages as well. Edit: I checked an image itself (the ones that are not showing up) and I get a 404 error. Maybe this is because of the server move? [[User:TheyCallMeMellowCello|TheyCallMeMellowCello ♫♩♪]] ([[User talk:TheyCallMeMellowCello|talk]]) 18:40, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::I think it may be your cache drawing the images from before the move. The images might be at different locations now. Clear your cache. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::That did nothing. Images still aren't loading for me. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 19:08, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::::<s>If possible, you should be able to see the images by switching to another computer. I am not sure if going to the Archives page for each image would help the issue, but it would if the cache is cleared before hand.</s> [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::::I'm having these issues as well. At first I had them on my mobile phone, at which the pictures were boxes with a ? on them and showed the link info, but then I got on my laptop and the pictures are still now showing. What's going on here? --[[User:Flufflemonster|Flufflemonster]] ([[User talk:Flufflemonster|talk]]) 19:48, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::I've got this too [[User:Volcronaperson|_Volcronaperson_]] 19:50, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Sorry for doubting you, but it seems that there is an issue somewhere. It seems that the .png files are not displaying correctly on some {{tt|browsers| Internet Explorer 8 or 9 on Windows Vista; Google Chrome 21, Safari 5.1.7, Firefox 11.0, and Firefox 15.0.1 on a Mac OS X 10.6.8 are not displaying the files as they should be.}}. I would suggest using a browser that can display .png files that are animated for the time being. [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 19:55, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::It's not a browser thing. They're no longer working for me, now that I'm using a different internet connection but the same browser. We'll look into it, but it's possible that it's due to certain internet connections not directing traffic properly after the move. It may not be a quick fix. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:59, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::So much for my guess. At least the images are still viewable on the Archives. [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 20:09, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Related to that, and as an added note, given that some images seem to be working some of the time: If an image isn't loading and you want to see it, click on it, and then click on the "description page" link to it on the archives. Please, ''please, '''please''''', don't sit there refreshing the page or continually trying to reload the image. Doing that is ''not'' going to make it load. What it will do is increase the load on our servers, making it so that ''less'' loads. It makes any problem worse. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:48, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: That just gives 404 not found [[User:Volcronaperson|_Volcronaperson_]] 23:27, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::::: In extreme cases, it gives out a 503 error. (Loss of server.) Back on topic, what was the problem with some of the images? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:53, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::What I meant, was not navigate to the image itself, but navigate to the image on the archives. And the problem was that the main server had crashed, blocking all traffic. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:04, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::How come the archives access their images from the archives, while Bulbapedia accesses images from cdn2.bulbagarden? [[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 10:57, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::Because wikis are set up to only access images that are loaded on them. The Content Delivery Network (CDN) takes the images on the archives and distributes them to Bulbapedia and Bulbanews. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

== Automagically redirected to pornographic site ==

So I was surfing on my iPhone 3G with iOS 4.2.1 {{tt|yesterday|2012-10-13}} in between 12:50 AM UTC and 1:20 AM UTC (don't remember exactly what was the time) when I fired up Mobile Safari and directed the browser to Bulbapedia's main page. Now, I don't remember tapping anything on the screen but there's a chance I did without noticing it. Either way, I'm not convinced it was accidental tapping. What happened is that I suddenly got redirected multiple times through the ad network until I reached [http://www.ipinkvisualpass.com/pt/sx/iphone/home/updates/?revid=66054&campaign=20996&viewSpeed= this], which is a pornographic site. Now, I don't have anything against adult-themed content as I'm 19 but why in hell was I sent there in the first place? I demand an explanation. [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 23:05, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
:Actually, it was in between 11:50 PM UTC of 2012-10-12 and 12:20 AM UTC of 2012-10-13. My bad. I forgot I'm currently on summer time. [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 23:12, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
::Please report all disturbing or disruptive ads to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/bad-ad-reporting-thread-29680/ this thread] [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 23:18, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
:::OK, I shall do it later as I need to create an account at BMGf first and it's a bit late now around here. [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 23:33, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

== Pedia down? ==

Was it? It seems it was earlier… --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
: I think Bulbapedia was down earlier, along with Video Game Wiki. I tried several times, even exiting out of my browser and going back in, but that didn't work. I think something was up with the servers the wikis run on. ([[User:Charizard101|Charizard101]] ([[User talk:Charizard101|talk]]) 02:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC))
::Video Game Wiki...? If that's a Wikia site, their downtime is unrelated to Bulbapedia's downtime. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:44, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
:::Then can anyone tell me what Bulbapedia's being down was all about? I was slightly confused about that. ([[User:Charizard101|Charizard101]] ([[User talk:Charizard101|talk]]) 01:02, 27 October 2012 (UTC))
::::On the 22nd and the 23rd UTC, Bulbapedia was down for quite a few errors. Due to B2W2 server load, the servers have been unstable. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::Okay, thanks for the info. After the big server move they did, I can see why they might have some problems. ([[User:Charizard101|Charizard101]] ([[User talk:Charizard101|talk]]) 01:52, 27 October 2012 (UTC))
::::::Is the broken layout and random downloading of pages related to this?[[User:Goomba98|Goomba98]] ([[User talk:Goomba98|talk]]) 00:31, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::::No, not at all. This is a different issue (I think). If anything, it is the software that is broken. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:36, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

== Downloading pages ==

I am the only one with this problem? Some random times, instead of load a new page my computer donwloads it. Is it my problem or is a bug on the website? --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] [[User talk:Gabo 2oo|(talk)]]
:It's some super annoying bug right now. I'm just going to sleep and hope it's fixed by tomorrow. (I'm on the US east coast, so it is bedtime now) {{m|Yawn}}... --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:32, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

== Userspace edit limit - pages to be put into mainspace ==

I am going to be writing a major section for an article here, but it will be spread across several days, and want to merge it all in to the article at one time. So I am asking if the userspace edit limit applies to sandbox-like pages which will have information that will be put into the main namespace. So...does it? [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 00:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
:Just keep it under 3, preview, don't do them within minutes of each other, and don't forget about the mainspace. The staff are more lenient on those kind of pages. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
::We're more lenient with stuff for the mainspace, but they're not unrestricted. I have to ask why the section can't be written into the actual article. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:06, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
:::I can keep it under 3 edits a day - it probably would be only 1 or 2. The section is large and technical, and I do not want to post an incomplete work into the mainspace - it could cause users to flood the talk page, edit it themselves (which would be horrible for the WIP), some might revert (with the way I work, initial versions might not end up looking like professional content, especially with notes all over the place in comments), and, worst comes to worst, I might keep an edit lock open for a period of 3 hours at a time - hardly an appropriate amount of time for mainspace. I would be making judicious use of the Preview functionality, as I am not entirely familiar with WikiCode. I will be merging the work into the appropriate mainspace page when it is completed.
:::I also wonder how capable Bulbapedia is of linking external images. The WIP section will probably have WIP images (hosted on my domain), and I would prefer to link those externally rather than uploading to the Archives for now, mainly to reduce server load.
:::And the main reason I ask is because the top bar is currently limiting userspace edits to 1/day, not the usual 3/day we had for quite a while. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 01:40, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
{| style="float:right"
| http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/archive/e/e0/20100401001626%21BulbaBot.png
|}
::::As you can see, I have externally linked an out-of-date image from the Archives. It's useful. And that's how you do that. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:02, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

== One request and two questions ==

* I wanted to inform you that Pokémon Central Wiki has moved its Main page from Pagina principale to [[it:Home]], could you please change the link on Bulbapedia's Main page?
* I also noticed that the Portuguese wiki is not working at all, it tells me that the page does not exist (the same error that appears when you try to surf the Internet with no connection), is it a Country problem (I'm Italian) or is it something else?
* When it shows me the 503 error what should I do, can I try to refresh the page immediately or should I wait 5 minutes before trying again?--[[User:CiaobyDany|CiaobyDany]] ([[User talk:CiaobyDany|talk]]) 21:03, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
:According to my browser, the Portugese wiki is down/out of service/dead. If you recieve a 503 error, the staff recommend to wait a few minutes before you refresh. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:42, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

== What? ==

Bulbapedia's recently being marked by Opera or Firefox as dangerous website. What the- [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 12:32, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
:See [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/bulbawiki-site-issues-thread-39109/index12.html#post4528618 this thread from this post onwards]. We know, and have contacted Google about fixing it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:48, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

== Bulbanews ==

What's wrong with Bulbanews? Nothing's appearing on the Main Page and the Front Page of Bulbanews's "Current Events" section is blank. Is that supposed to be happening? By the way, I'm using Safari. [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] ([[User Talk:KyuremsIceBlade|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|Contribs]]) 21:17, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
:Some old article pictures were being changed recently and has somehow affected the story picker, which displays the recent stories/current events on the main pages. It should be fixing itself soon though. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 21:25, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
:: Some new news. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiHpa77-xc [[User:Mesuxelf|'''Mes''']][[User talk:Mesuxelf|'''ux''''''elf''']] 01:05, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

== Pokéteca (Spanish wiki) Main Page link is a redirect ==

The link posted on the Main Page to [[es:Portada]] is actually a redirect. The correct link should be [[es:Página principal]]. Could someone please update this? Thanks! [[User:ChiefbozX|ChiefbozX]] ([[User talk:ChiefbozX|talk]]) 00:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:I have fixed it. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:55, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
::The link on the sidebar also needs a correction; it currently goes to [[es:Página Principal]] (as we all know, links are case-sensitive). Thanks for correcting the one in the [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis]] box. [[User:ChiefbozX|ChiefbozX]] ([[User talk:ChiefbozX|talk]]) 21:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

== Flags symbolizing languages ==

I'll put this here as there seems to be no better option on-wiki: [http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/flags.html Why you should not use a flag as a symbol of language], [http://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog/why-flags-do-not-represent-language/ Why flags do not represent languages]. Specifically, [[Template:Epilang]] (there may be other cases, too) always makes me uncomfortable. I know you guys really like graphics and colors, but just... don't do it this time. Also, the links to the "respective" (that's some serious quotation marks I put there) 'Pokémon in [country]' pages... [[User:Mewtwo745|Mewtwo745]] ([[User talk:Mewtwo745|talk]]) 09:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

== Redirect to adult sites? ==

I'm writing this to report a serious problem I've had since a few months: while I'm on bulbagarden sites, I get redirected to an adult site and I can't return on the previous page. At first I thought it was a bad ad I opened inadvertently, but now I know for sure it is not that case. It first happened around december, and it got worse within the time... By now it almost happens once each fifty pages I open more or less. I usually get this problem on Bulbapedia, but it also happened once on the archives. It still haven't got this problem on the other bulbagarden sites but I think it's because I usually don't go on them. It is not a browser problem, since it happened with opera, chrome mobile and another mobile browser. I don't know if the fact I'm in Italy matters. I wrote down the site I get redirected to when I'm on the tablet. I don't have the desktop site because now I usually use my tablet, and I didn't think of writing down the URL. I first thought to add the link hidden in this discussion, but anybody could have still opened it. If you need it I can send it by email. Thanks for your attention--[[User:CiaobyDany|CiaobyDany]] ([[User talk:CiaobyDany|talk]]) 08:21, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
:There are two possibilities here: 1) there's some rouge ad that's automatically redirecting you (without you even clicking it), which we would want to remove ASAP if we can or 2) you have a virus. If it is the former, then we want to know about it so it can be dealt with, so please post as many details as possible about it [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/bad-ad-reporting-thread-29680/ in the Bad Ad Reporting Thread]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:59, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
::As you suggested I reported it on the forum. I did read the notice at the beginning of the page, but I didn't think it was an ad problem. Feel free to delete this discussion and thanks again.--[[User:CiaobyDany|CiaobyDany]] ([[User talk:CiaobyDany|talk]]) 21:30, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

== Question ==

Why hasn't the message from the editor been updated since ''December 20?'' Also, can someone help me fix my signature? [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] ([[User talk:Spyspotter|talk]]) 13:05, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
:The message from the editor is updated when we have something significant to post about. When that time comes, a new message from the editor will be posted. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 22:18, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

==Non-existing pages==

Whenever I click on a link to a non-existing page, a random set of characters (such as IA"});) appears. Why? [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] ([[User talk:Spyspotter|talk]]) 13:46, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
:Could you provide a specific example? The redlinks work okay for me. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 22:18, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

== Welcoming new users ==

Wow! Not even the ''administrators'' could spend ''10 seconds'' welcoming users. I just welcomed 30+ users. The easiest way to welcome users is to go [[Special:User creation log|here]]. Can't the administrators just do their duty{{tt|*|Please don't laugh.}}? [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] 21:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:You are aware of the large number of spambots we've been getting, right? A good chunk of those "users" might not even be people. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 22:04, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
::To follow on from Ataro's message, as a result of the mass of spambots, we've been waiting for users to make their first edits before we welcome them with the template{{tt|*|Ask for a potential reason this may be first, to prevent situations like this where you come off as a bit of a twerp.}}.--[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 22:35, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Just want to say that as a non-staff member, I follow the same idea so as to not worry about welcoming bots and vandals. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 22:51, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

== "Synopsis" ==
Bulbapedia is sprawling with examples of lengthy, detailed, written accounts of short works of fiction which are (downright absurdly) labeled "Synopsis". Anyone who believes that this labeling is appropriate should consult a dictionary. They need to be either rewritten as actual synopses, or simply relabeled. I am in favor of the former, since the aforementioned (comparative) length and detail of the summaries, coupled with narratives that are often completely off the mark as summaries, but rather retells the work of fiction anew (as a story itself), render many of the site's "Synopsis"-sections highly unencyclopedic. I post this to engage in dialogue, so tell me what you think should(n't) be done, please. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 14:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, they should probably be called "Plot". I don't think we should remove massive amounts of information to just make them actually comply with the definition of a word that was incorrectly used to label them—simply, the label should be changed. I agree, a lot of them are basically stories themselves, and they shouldn't be. These sections should be written detailing what happened in present tense, not using any kind of emotive language. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:26, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
::Then we agree on that much. How will we go about renaming the sections? I suggested those massive amounts of information for removal under the assumption that an actual synopsis, and little more, was the degree of plot summary initially/ideally desired by an encyclopedia such as Bulbapedia. In other words, I believe that the scene-by-scene relaying, attempting to substitute the subject media content, as opposed to summarize its key points and provide the reader with an overview and some understanding of the work, is uncharacteristic of an encyclopedia, more fitting as content for other kinds of websites, or Bulbapedia's appendix namespace. That's my opinion, included since it ties in with the topic I brought up for discussion, but I realize that it isn't going places. As for ridding the sections of emotive language, I presume that this is already a long-established work in progress, carried out by editors who happen to read these sections, so nothing new there. Thank you for replying. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 15:36, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
:::They're still labeled as synopses. I can't imagine anyone disagreeing here, the suggestion is not pedantic, the change would be kind of easy to implement—what's the hold-up? [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 13:48, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
::::So it's been decided that all "Synopsis" sections will be renamed "Plot", and an official blurb should be added where possible. {{u|Maverick Nate}} has already begun work on this. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:00, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

== Sounds ==

We should use sounds. I'm pretty sure Wikipedia uses them, and besides, if our wikicode can handle videos, then it can handle sounds. If we can install sounds, we would be able to have Pokémon cries and possibly music themes{{tt|*|You could make them loop around to cut recording lengths, as most music themes are less than 2 minutes long}}. [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] 18:08, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

== Categorize the main page ==

It seems weird that there is even 1 uncategorized page. The main page would fit well in the Bulbapedia category{{tt|*|I can't link it because if I did this talk page would be put into the bulbapedia category.}}. [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] 02:24, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

== Ads ==
Adds have been appearing on every page I visit, coming from the lower border of the screen, even when I'm already logged in, it's very bothering specially for editing. Since I haven't installed anything lately and it only happens on this site, I just wanted to make sure if this comes actually from Bulbapedia and will still happening, or not. It is? --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 01:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:We did some stuff to our ad listings today, and clearly something is not quite right. We are aware of it and working on it. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:43, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
::On my browser, there are ads that pop up and say, "Find out more about what is changing and why. Find out more about this new ad unit." It requires me to turn it off, which can warp me to a different page, which is annoying while editing. And needless to say, this is happening while I'm logged on. [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] [[User talk:Spyspotter|says…]] Edit the mainspace, [[Special:ListUsers|kids!]] 02:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:::[https://twitter.com/Bulbapedia/status/343206410974269441 It's a technical issue]. It will be fixed as soon as possible. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

==2 Problems==

1. The search bar blocks part of the page, which is annoying especially when editing.

2. I don't know where else to post this, so I'll post it here. Whenever I try to post on the forums, there is no typing field and instead there is an indigo-colored blank space between the post title and the other stuff.

Can someone fix those errors? [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] [[User talk:Spyspotter|says…]] Edit the mainspace, [[Special:ListUsers|kids!]] 03:17, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
:It may be an issue with your browser, what browser do you use and how long has the problem been occurring? '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 03:54, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
::IE and Safari. The problem's been going on for as long as I was here. [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] [[User talk:Spyspotter|says…]] Edit the mainspace, [[Special:ListUsers|kids!]] 03:56, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Hmm. I checked on my Safari and both the search bar and forum seem fine. I don't have IE so I can't check that. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 04:07, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
::::Are you using the most recent version of IE and Safari? [[User:G50|''ㄱ'']][[User talk:G50|''쉰'']] G50 04:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::IE 10 won't download, but IE 9 should work. Safari is fully updated and it has the two problems. [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] [[User talk:Spyspotter|says…]] Edit the mainspace, [[Special:ListUsers|kids!]] 12:04, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

==Long-Running Script==

Whenever I visit a page that isn't in the main or talk namespace, an error message will pop up 90% of the time and say that bulbapedia has stopped functioning due to a "long-running script." I then have 2 options:

1. Click "stop script," and then be redirected to a page that says Bulbagarden has been shut down permanently, and be unable to go back.

2. Click "cancel," and then watch my computer crash. The only way to fix that would be to unplug it.

First of all, what is this "long-running script?" And, how in tarnation does the "Bulbagarden shut down" message appear? And, can those errors be fixed somehow? [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] [[User talk:Spyspotter|says…]] Edit the mainspace, [[Special:ListUsers|kids!]] 02:49, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:What browser and addons are you using? That might help us try to nail down what's causing the issue. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
::I should add, this only happens on IE. Also, bigger pages are more likely to crash my computer, not to say that small ones don't. [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] [[User talk:Spyspotter|says…]] Edit the mainspace, [[Special:ListUsers|kids!]] 03:05, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

==Twitter Feed==

Am I the only one having trouble seeing the Twitter box on the main page??[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 05:24, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:I can't see it either. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 05:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
::Nor can I. I wonder what's going on with it? [[User:PokefanR|PokefanR]] ([[User talk:PokefanR|talk]]) 05:36, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Twitter updated their API today and as a result the widget we used to run the feed stopped working, we are trying to fix it. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 07:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== x and y countdown ==

Now that we know the release date of x and y there should be a countdownn like the one bulbapedia had for black and white [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 06:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:The system we were using for the countdown was broken by a MediaWiki update a while back and no longer works. We haven't yet got another system to function adequately in order to replace it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
::Was it similar to the one used on [http://www.khwiki.net/Template:Countdown this page?] Because if not, that one seems to work well so long as the input date and time is valid. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 20:57, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
==Problems?==
Every time I want to access a page, it asks if I want to download it. It is only after a click the link around 20 times that I can go the page without having to download it. For example, this is what I get if I want I click "Random":
----
You have chosen to open: '''Special_Random'''
:which is a: application/x-httpd-php (2.4 KB)
:from: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net
What should Firefox do with this file?
:Open with [Browse]
:Save File
:Do this automatically for files like this from now on.
----
I tested this out with Firefox and Google Chrome, still the same error. Along with this, certain pages are styled strangely - for the editing box for editing the talkpage of the main page, the editing box is rather tiny, and the character palette has all clickable symbols underlined, any of these symbols when clicked doing nothing (with the exception of taking you to the top of the page).

On the front page, there is no light grey "Search" word in the search box, and the UTC clock has disappeared. Sometimes there is a rather medium sized space between the "Due to a security issue..." message and the "Welcome to Bulbapedia!" message. Also, sometimes the green background turns into a white background.

Also, some pages are displayed without the stylesheet.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 14:17, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
:Not happening anymore. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 14:19, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

== Prerelease policy suggestion ==

(Not sure whether there's a good/easily-seen place to put this, so I'm gonna put it here Just Because.) As I'm sure most people are aware, the disconnect between the Archives and Bulbapedia means that some images are stuck in their old forms for days, weeks, or months after they've been updated on the Archives. Judging by prerelease Pokémon reveals so far this generation, we're getting Sugimori art within hours or a couple of days after we put low-quality CoroCoro scans on our pages, and then the Sugimori art takes a long time to get repaired on our pages. This makes our pages look unpolished for everyone and {{DL|User talk:Reshi643|Would you please|confuses new users, leading them to unnecessarily suggest that the art be updated even though it technically already has been}}. To neutralize this problem, '''I suggest that low-quality prerelease scans use a different image file name than the final artwork'''. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 22:49, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:As problematic as it is, one of the first reasons against it I have is that if they are uploaded as separate files, we lose the history of the file, and what we had at a specific point in time. I actually find having image histories more important in the long run than removing them in order to fix problems in the short run. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 23:13, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
::Point taken; I hadn't thought about that. As an alternative approach to a solution, is there any possibility of finding a way to lessen the syncing problem itself? Perhaps some kind of way of marking certain images (like these prerelease scans) as "high importance" or something to get the software to attempt to sync them more often? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:46, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:::On the other hand, keeping the magazine scans as separate images would allow us to keep the history of the Bulbanews articles, in that we would have magazine croppings on the BN article when that was all we had, but the clean artworks when we got those. Ideally though, there would be some way to fix the Archives caches issue. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:14, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== Pokemon - Ken Sugimori Artworks ==

Hi! I would like to ask if ever we could change all Pokemon official high quality Artworks with smaller but unified sizes from Pokemon Zukan Website? It has around 350x300 pixels in size per image and has shadows on it, png type of images. Just asking if it is okay? I just ripped all the Pokemon images from Zukan website, Thank you... --[[User:Gaspershut|''GASPER'']][[User talk:Gaspershut|''shut...'']] 06:35, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
:I don't think shadows are wanted. Also, I think that high resolution images are better as well. For artworks, consistent dimensions is not as important. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:15, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
::ahh.. Okay I'm just asking since not all Artworks are available in High Quality.--[[User:Gaspershut|''GASPER'']][[User talk:Gaspershut|''shut...'']] 08:34, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== Anatomy Vs. Physiology ==

I already asked this if we could change all Physiology to Anatomy under Biology section or add Anatomy to it.It doesn't fit at all, that the description of the Pokemon's body parts is not Physiology. --[[User:Gaspershut|''GASPER'']][[User talk:Gaspershut|''shut...'']] 08:46, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
:The staff are currently working on a new way too present information about this section prior to the release of X+Y. So please be patient. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 03:28, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
::I'm not being frantic or anything... actually I'm not hurrying anyone I'm just asking since I already asked it, for I remember, prior the release of Pokemon Black and White. I just noticed it again when I opened my account. Thank You...--[[User:Gaspershut|''GASPER'']][[User talk:Gaspershut|''shut...'']] 12:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
:::I didn't think you were, but I can see how my comment may have made it sound otherwise, and I apologise for that. But it's one of the changes that will be implemented when we go through and update all the Pokémon to the new style, so you were heard and listened too :) --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 12:37, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

== Bug in Uncategorized Categories list ==

There is an issue in the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedCategories Uncategorized categories] list. Most of those in the list are already given categories, but are not registering properly in them. What may have caused this? [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 21:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
:Looks like, of those 17 results, only 1 of them should be there. Seems like a server-side issue, as purging the cache didn't do anything. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 14:06, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
::I see. Well, hopefully the issue gets resolved. Thanks for the reply. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 17:55, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evolutions Artwork ==

Where are we going to put them? on the pokemon pages or the mega evolution page? [[User:Volcronaperson|_Volcronaperson_]] 20:35, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
:Yes. To clarify: The art (for now, this may change to in-game images in future) Should be, and already is for most/all the ones we know about, on the [[Mega Evolution]] page. Art on the species pages is going to need a new template, which is already partially built but still a way off yet. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:06, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

== Generation VI Pokémon ==

Are the administrators waiting to add info about the new Pokémon to their pages? I was just on the [http://www.pokemonxy.com/ Pokémon X and Y Official Site] and they have limited information about some of the new Pokémon. I don't know if people are aware of this and just waiting to add it, or if we're not supposed to, or what. Just trying to help. :D [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|'''Kyurems''']][[User talk:KyuremsIceBlade|'''Ice''']][[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|'''Blade''']] 19:11, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
:Is there something on the official site that we don't mention? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:39, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
::Well, there is some information about certain Pokémon that we don't have, such as a tidbit I saw about {{p|Honedge}}. It says: "If you were to carelessly take this blade in hand, you may find that blue cloth wrapping around you... draining the energy from your body!" Also, it says {{p|Inkay}} has transmitters above its eyes that can drain the will to fight from other Pokémon, and it says {{p|Malamar}} has some of the strongest hypnotic powers of any Pokémon, it can make other Pokémon bend to its will, and many people try to use it for nefarious purposes. I bet there's more, but this should be going on the species articles, not the Main Page. [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|'''Kyurems''']][[User talk:KyuremsIceBlade|'''Ice''']][[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|'''Blade''']] 19:30, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
:::This is just a guess, but I have a feeling those might end up being Pokédex entries. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 20:28, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
::::That's what I was starting to think, too as I read more of them... well, thanks for listening and replying. [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|'''''KYUREM'S''''']] [[User talk:KyuremsIceBlade|'''''ICE''''']] [[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|'''''BLADE''''']] 12:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

== Differently color-coded generatons ==

I noticed today that the colors commonly used for generations (i.e. Orange for Generation V, green for Generation III) have been swapped with different colors. The normally used orange for Generation V is now a light blue color. I now that this isn't a top priority thing, but, I was just wondering. [[User:PokefanR|PokefanR]] ([[User talk:PokefanR|talk]]) 22:49, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
:You can find an in depth reason for the color changes {{ut|Kogoro#Region colors|on my talk page}}. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 22:54, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

== X&Y party/item sprites ==

You can rip the 2D sprites seen in screens like the inventory and Pokémon lists by using a 3DS capture card and ripping them the classic way (i.e. taking screenshots and cutting the sprites out). Just throwing that out there.[[User:Goomba98|Goomba98]] ([[User talk:Goomba98|talk]]) 01:29, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

== Ampersands in titles ==

For articles that contain ampersands (& ←like this), clicking the edit top of page link or new section link leads to a window where you end up editing a page with a title that goes up to before the first ampersand. For example: editing [[Black & White TCG Series merchandise|this page]] in this manner leads to editing [[Black|this page]] instead. In other words, the ampersand performs a cutoff. How can this be resolved? [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 23:00, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
:That doesn't seem to be happening for me. The ampersands that are part of the page titles end up being replaced by the character code "%26", thus avoiding the cutoff, when I go to edit the page you used as an example. Out of curiosity, what web browser is this happening on? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 23:18, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
::This is on a Safari browser. Haven't checked IE yet. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 23:59, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
:::If the problem is happening on Safari, I would not recommend using IE as an alternative, it will probably still happen. I'm on Chrome, and that replaces & with %26. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 00:21, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
::::Likewise, Firefox also replaces ampersands with %26. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:36, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I'm reproducing Berrenta's glitch in Firefox. The problem arises not from clicking the "edit this page" link but rather from the "[edit top of page]" link to edit the top-most section. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 00:39, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::Yup, reproducing it in Chrome using the Edit top of page link. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 00:41, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Well then, seeing as I never use that "Edit top of page", it's understandable why I never noticed it. The issue does not seem to happen when editing sections, either. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 01:01, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, it also used to occur when trying to follow a redlinked page with an ampersand in the tile (although it seems to work fine now). To prevent the issue, I guess adding <nowiki>__NOEDITSECTION__</nowiki> to the top of any page with an ampersand in the title would work; for [[Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire]], I just protected {{redlink|Pokémon Box Ruby}} to prevent accidental creation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:23, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Looks like that because the first section is set up in a special way, <nowiki>__NOEDITSECTION__</nowiki> has no effect. If there is no page at the part of the title before the ampersand, it should be create-protected. Otherwise, just avoid using "edit top of page" of pages with ampersands in them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:26, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::Would it be possible and feasible to force redirect a section back into editing the lead. Example: Edit "Arceus LV.X Deck: Grass" to feature a redirect to Arceus LV.X Deck: Grass & Fire (TCG) in editing mode? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:53, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::: :/ Since I just realized that wouldn't work, would a better idea be to move the articles with "&" to "and" while including {{template|wrongtitle}} in the lede? Especially since the search function doesn't play well with the ampersand. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:42, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::::What issue is there with the search function? I've never heard of that one before, and I can't find it. & only causes minor issues, so since it is technically possible to use in titles, I think we should. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:51, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I was referring to searching for anything containing an "&" prevents any results from showing up. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=%26&fulltext=1 Example] --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:55, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Results show up if the searched text contains an &, it's just not if you ''only'' search an &. All special characters are ignored on the search page, so you get the same result if you search ! or @. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:11, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
:Okay, tested in Internet Explorer, and it seems to work normally there, as & was properly converted to %26. Seems the issue only applies to certain browsers, like Safari. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 18:15, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
::Kogoro updated the code, but because of where it is, it's very slow to update. Browser choice has nothing to do with the issue at all, simply the javascript that encoded those links had failed to 'escape' the page title, and with the limited knowledge of javascript among active staff it took us a while to figure out how to fix it. Also, something to note is that it does not escape the characters @*/ and + The only of which should matter is the rarely used +. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:16, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
:::Well, I tested again on Safari today, and it seems to work properly now. Thanks for the update! ^_^ [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 22:03, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

== Bad news ==

I learned that Hiroshi Yamauchi died so please add the news. article {{unsigned|PokeSerbia}}

here's an link
http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Draft:Former_Nintendo_President_Passes_away {{unsigned|PokeSerbia}}

:Since that is a Bulbanews article, which is under the same figurative roof as Bulbapedia, it's likely going to be reflected here soon enough in full detail. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 14:50, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

==Twitter==

Is the twitter feed down again??[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 22:54, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind lol, my computer just glitched for a second.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 22:55, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

==Forums==

Um are the forums down or is it just my computer??[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 17:32, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
:The forums were indeed down but they should be working fine now. [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 17:58, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

== Type charts on Gen VI Pokemon ==

The full Gen VI type chart has been released, so why don't any of the Gen VI Pokemon have a type chart on their pages? [[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] ([[User talk:ArchedThunder|talk]]) 00:31, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:The {{template|Type effectiveness}} template is currently only compatible with Gen V, and alot of stuff has to be updated with Gen VI coming out, so it's all a matter of patience. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 04:23, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

== Names of Pokemon games in general ==
Hey! Just wanted to bring this giant post I just typed elsewhere to your attention, instead of retyping the same info over again: http://vgmdb.net/forums/showpost.php?p=56272&postcount=3
In short, Japan stopped using "Pocket Monsters" outside of the katakana when R/S dropped, and at the same time Nintendo as a whole started up a consistent branding scheme (actually I'm not ''entirely'' sure how it scales to ''everything'' else but) that most people don't seem to notice (only with X/Y has this been changed (for the better)). Because of this, I believe we (and Wikipedia, and everywhere else) needs to rethink how we handle the game titles. There's a reason things like the albums refer to themselves as "Pokémon", and it's not to be "import friendly".
If I've come across as a bit brusque, I apologize, but I find it a bit silly that this has gone unnoticed for a decade! [[User:Despatche|Despatche]] ([[User talk:Despatche|talk]]) 08:26, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

:I get your point that in Japan the English name of the games is "Pokémon Ruby" etc. after RS, but I'm not entirely sure what you're suggesting. The italic English text next to Japanese names is supposed to be a translation of the text, and there is a katakana difference between "Pokémon" and "Pocket Monsters", so they are translated as such where appropriate. It is important to note that the Japanese text does say "Pocket Monsters", as in Japan the main series is officially the "Pocket Monsters series" [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game-series/]. Also, it's worth noting that Pokémon Stadium does the exact opposite of what you mentioned: the katakana says "Pokémon", but the Latin text says "Pocket Monsters" (for all three games). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:15, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

::Ah, sorry. I'm suggesting that we should use "Pokémon" as that transliteration for these later games instead of "Pocket Monsters", because that's what Nintendo does... we do the same for Pokemon themselves, for example. The trick is that you really want to avoid transliterating if you can help it; you can produce multiple official titles out of what looks like one. Basically, what's happening is that you have a katakana (here, anyway) title that is always used within itself, and a Roman-based title that is always used within itself--"進撃の巨人" and "Attack on Titan" is similar--two ''completely'' different titles used within the same context to refer to the same work (at the same time). That page may say "ポケットモンスターシリーズ", but you can bet it would have used "Pokémon" if they could help it.
::And yeah, with the Stadium case, those games were part of the old branding, which used "Pokemon" whenever it pleased. Technically, "Pokémon" is actually part of a "phrase shortening" trend that's pretty common in Japanese ("Famicom"'s a great example, and this is also why the term is even "Pokémon" to begin with), so it was occasionally used by Nintendo wherever they felt; Pokemon Puzzle Challenge became "Pokemon no Panepon" (heh, "Panepon" is another example of that shortening, being short for Panel de Pon) for its Japanese release, for example.
::(Fun fact: technically the katakana isn't actually "Pocket Monsters" transliterated; there's a common tendency (it's totally random!) to remove the final S/Z sound at the end of plurals in these transliterations, so it's ''really'' "Pocket Monster". "ポケットモンスターシリーズ" is a great example of with and without, in fact. Platinum is similar; the katakana actually reads "platina" (a word usually used to refer to alloys of platinum) and at least [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/otanosimi/platina/aikotoba/ one Nintendo website] uses this.) [[User:Despatche|Despatche]] ([[User talk:Despatche|talk]]) 06:03, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
:::I think I get your point, but the problem is that the "English name in Japan" is not an accurate translation of the actual text. Pokémon names are only alternate romanizations, not alternate phrases entirely. Pokémon and Pocket Monsters are used distinctly, so the translation should accurately reflect this. In your Attack on Titan example, were we to have an article on it (it's not relevant to Pokémon, so we shouldn't), it would be formatted as
::::'''Attack on Titan''' (Japanese: '''進撃の巨人''' ''Advancing Titans'')
:::However, I do take your point that it would be useful to note the official Asian-English names of the games, but the problem is that in the case of Pearl (for example), we have ポケットモンスター officially as ''Pokémon'', but nothing for パール. (Asian-English is a term used in Yu-Gi-Oh, so I'm borrowing it here for clarity; there may be a better term, but it will do for the circumstances.) For the record, platinum in Japanese comes from the Spanish word "platina" rather than the English one, thus why it is formatted as such (or at least, that's what I remember being told by my high-school Japanese teacher). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:50, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
::::1. "Pokémon" is most definitely a distinct title from "ポケモン", even. Titles are not about meaning, not ever; they are always about physical structure. It's pretty obvious that there are three different titles used (for whatever reasons there may be) to refer to the same work: "Pokémon", "ポケモン", and "ポケットモンスター". What else is there to it? (As a sidenote, I disprove of the preference for translations, specifically over romaji... where can I open a discussion about that?)
::::2. That sounds like a pretty good case for not having romaji ''at all'', doesn't it? Fortunately, Nintendo at least provides "Platinum" here (nearly every single Japanese page on the game uses it), and likely provides the same for the other games (at the least, they outright use "Pokémon <version>" on every soundtrack album since Ruby and Sapphire's). [[User:Despatche|Despatche]] ([[User talk:Despatche|talk]]) 06:22, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

== Unknown Dungeon ==

I either cannot or am unable to find where to create a page for the Unknown Dungeon in Gen VI that holds mewtwo. Could someone make this? The dungeon's entrance is in Pokémon Village.

[[User:TheJaceX|TheJaceX ]] ([[User talk:TheJaceX|talk]]) 21:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Time for archive 13? ==

I mean this page is getting pretty big! [[User:Bill Gates|Bill Gates]] ([[User talk:Bill Gates|talk]]) 20:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

== Suggestion ==

I know we changed the Pokemon artwork images to a square ratio for practical reasons, not aesthetic ones, but now that they're the standard, other articles with Sugimori images — [[Valerie]] is the one I noticed, but most humans' articles, in fact — look abnormal because they break this new standard. Can we just apply the square requirement to all official art used in infoboxes so things match aesthetically? (I know this is totally not a priority and thus will absolutely not happen at least until the XY info is all put up, but I thought I'd suggest it to be implemented at some point in the future.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 23:50, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:This was actually something we bought up whilst making the decision to square the images of Pokemon. With the character art a lot of the pictures are a fair bit taller then what they are wide, whereas with Pokemon, the difference is to a much less significant degree. As a result, when the character images are forced to comply with the infobox a significant amount of quality is loss. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 06:11, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon X and Y sprites and icons ==

I just wanna ask when you guys will have the X and Y icons and sprites. [[User:Raichu8575|Raichu8575]] ([[User talk:Raichu8575|talk]]) 15:50, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:"Sprites" in the traditional sense don't really exist anymore; Pokémon in Gen VI are represented by fully in-motion 3D models with no single "still image" to really take as a sprite. That's probably why in the Evolution section of any Pokémon page, you'll see official artwork instead of the current sprite like there used to be. The Sprites section may end up being something that only goes up to Gen V now. As for the icons? I saw some Gen VI icons around a few days ago but they're since been removed, apparently. No clue why. --[[User:Kianglo|KiANGLO]] ''([[User talk:Kianglo|TALK]])'' 22:57, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
::Likely if we can get the files, we might create a model section for each Pokémon, though it isn't possible at the moment. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 00:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
:::There's still party sprites, even for completely new Pokémon. They're also used when choosing a Friend Safari to enter. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 00:05, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
::::I know, and like I said I saw them before; on a type page I think, when it listed all the Pokémon of that type. Gen VI Pokémon were there, icon and all. Maybe someone uploaded icons but they got taken down? --[[User:Kianglo|KiANGLO]] ''([[User talk:Kianglo|TALK]])'' 03:26, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Yes, they were taken down because the user who uploaded them admitted to stealing them from Serebii. The images will be uploaded once someone can get them themselves and not steal them from other sites.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:50, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::I would just like to add to this that Nintendo has solved our problem for us, the update for 3DS that is coming this month adds Miiverse support and the ability to take screenshots whenever you want and have them posted to Miiverse. Obviously we can have people go and take pictures of every Pokemon and we can remove the background and use those as the "sprites". If any staff is reading this I would gladly help with this once the update is out, as I know it will be a huge undertaking.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] ([[User talk:ArchedThunder|talk]]) 08:53, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Well... The update came out and for some reason you can't take pictures of Pokemon X and Y... I hope they update it so you can.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] ([[User talk:ArchedThunder|talk]]) 08:55, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

== Watchlist ==

Hi there. So I've been having trouble adding a page to my watchlist these past few days. It's the Clemont anime page and it keeps saying an error occurred. I w as just wondering if this was just me or if other people are having trouble to??[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 17:48, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
:The "watch"/"unwatch" button at the top of the page seems to be broken. You can find my report {{DL|Help talk:Editing|Watchlist error|here}}. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 18:26, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for letting me know, I'm glad to know it wasn't just me :).[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 19:12, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, a couple of people have been reporting this problem. Just dropping a note to say that the staff is aware of the problem, and we're working to get it fixed. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 22:09, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
::Vunderbar. Glad to know something like this, even if seemingly minor, has been noticed by staff. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 22:40, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

== Volcanion, Hoopa, and Diancie ==

So I'm sure most of you have heard about the three legendary event Pokemon recently found in the coding for X and Y. So I want to ask: Why do we not have pages for them?

Obviously we don't have any info yet, and I understand that, but we had a page for [[Trevenant]] long before we even knew his English name. Couldn't we make a page for them and not have any info for them (even PokeDex number)? I know they're real, I went into the X and Y GTS and saw for my self. So I think we need pages for them.

Opinions? (And before you give them, please read my ENTIRE post. I've gotten way too many posts that have logic that I already broke in my explanation. And if you don't think my explanation is accurate, tell me why. Cuz it gets annoying when its just "NO WE DONT HAVE ANY INFO IDIOT. YOUR STUPID."

[[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 17:49, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

:That's because at the time, Trevenant's existence was confirmed by official footage. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 17:51, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
::Before this conversation goes too far, let me redirect you to the already-ongoing discussion about these three at {{DL|Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub|Regarding Volcanion, Hoopa and Diancie|Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub → Regarding Volcanion, Hoopa and Diancie}}. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:01, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

:::Diancie now has a page, but here's what I'm wondering: why would we have pages talking about Mega Lati@s if they haven't been confirmed? Just saying. --[[User:Derpyderpy|Derpyderpy]] ([[User talk:Derpyderpy|talk]]) 14:19, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

== MediaWiki update/upgrade ==

It's what's causing some template issues right now, isn't it? And while we're at it, could the "Erika's Garden" skin be updated and fixed? [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 23:13, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Where are the menu sprites for new Pokémon, bag sprites for Mega Stones and other newly introduced items (Assault Vest, etc.)? ==

We had them all up before but they keep getting taken down! What's the problem? Does anyone here have any idea of when they will be back up for good? It's getting really annoying to see the red error text and ? mark sprites throughout the site! [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 20:56, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
:They were stolen from other fan sites, so they were deleted off of the archives. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 20:58, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
::That's Pokémon sprites. The bag sprites - the user claimed to have 3DS Capture Card, but hasn't given any proof within requested period of time. [[User:Uploader|Uploader]] ([[User talk:Uploader|talk]]) 21:01, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
What really annoys me the most is that if they were taken from Serebii, who honestly cares! It's gonna likely be in the exact same quality if someone were to rip the sprites with a capture card. But the law is the law. I wish we could just ask them for permission to take their stuff so we can clear this whole mess up. I honestly think no one is gonna upload the sprites anytime soon. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 21:06, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
:It's too early to determine that. Besides, Generation VI just started. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:08, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
::Joe (aka Serebii, aka webmaster of the {{tt|Serebii|yo dawg, be called Serebii and be webmaster of website called Serebii. Serebii managing Serebii... what? That's confusing.}}) will care, since he stated that he doesn't want us to use stuff acquired from his website. [[User:Uploader|Uploader]] ([[User talk:Uploader|talk]]) 21:13, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
:::To build on this, we can ask for permission to use the resources that others have put up. No one has explicitly given permission for us to do so, thus there is no sprites at the moment. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:19, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

== About the "characteristics" of types... ==

I noticed that within each page on the individual Pokémon types, there is a 'Characteristics' section, which describes both defensive and offensive characteristics. However, is this all really necessary? Firstly, this seems like Smogon standards, and shouldn't belong on a site that discusses only facts. Second, each 'Characteristics' section says pretty much the same thing. "It's good overall." This is just my opinion, but I don't think it's really that needed. [[User:Zorocario|Zorocario]] ([[User talk:Zorocario|talk]]) 02:13, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:I agree. It's opinionated and, in my experience, tends to attract editors who (A) add more egregiously opinionated material that just has to be removed and (B) are especially unfamiliar with our standards of notability. I'd love to see the sections axed. All of the important unopinionated information in them is already given in the type effectiveness and average stat sections on the same pages. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:40, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

== Problem ==
Mobile View button and m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net do not load any version of the site. [[User:Snowe|Snowe]] ([[User talk:Snowe|talk]]) 06:16, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
:Same problem. Whenever I try to do either it just tells me the site doesn't exist. Tried it on both the desktop and a mobile phone. --[[User:Weavilewarrior|Weavile Warrior]] ([[User talk:Weavilewarrior|talk]]) 01:50, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
::I've had this problem with every browser i've tried. Tried on desktop and my phone, but neither work. Can it be fixed?--[[User:SamurottMaster4747|SamurottMaster4747]] ([[User talk:SamurottMaster4747|talk]]) 02:18, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
:::I think the problem is because there ''isn't'' an m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net. If you want to browse from your phone, you can go right on to the normal site. A mobile site has to actually be coded for it to exist. If no one made it, it won't just automatically be there just because you're using a phone. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 16:43,1/28/2014 (UTC)
::::But there is a mobile site option at the bottom of the homepage, which means it must be coded and existing.. --[[User:Weavilewarrior|Weavile Warrior]] ([[User talk:Weavilewarrior|talk]]) 22:23, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::The mobile option was added by a MediaWiki upgrade, but does not actually exist. Please do not use it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 22:24, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

== Tecnical problem ==

When I'm on the home page, I get this message:
Error creating thumbnail: convert: no decode delegate for this image format `/tmp/magick-cSDv1Klr' @ error/constitute.c/ReadImage/532.
convert: missing an image filename `/tmp/transform_2ea9dab991f0-1.png' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3011.
--[[User:Chero|Chero]] ([[User talk:Chero|talk]]) 16:03, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
:Click the running UTC clock at the top of the page, beside your username. The images should repair themselves. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 16:27, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

== Strange occurrence ==

I'm not really sure if there's an actual place to report general site bugs, but for some odd reason, [[Special:Log]] has the edit top of page option, which does nothing except take you to Special:Log. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 19:59,2/7/2014 (UTC)

This is still a thing. I'm not sure anyone is reading this after so long, but I just wanted to point it out once more, if it hasn't been noticed. [[User:PkmnASKE|PkmnASKE]] ([[User talk:PkmnASKE|talk]]) 15:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

== The Speed Gamers are now offline ==

Hello there, The Speed Gamers are now offline. When do you plan to show BNN again? --[[User:Zubat101|Zubat101]] ([[User talk:Zubat101|talk]]) 17:28, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

== Mega Heracross and Mega Pinsir America Event ==

Starting today on August 13 in America, people can start getting a Mega Heracross in Pokémon X and a Mega Pinsir in Pokémon Y. This event will last until September 17 via Internet. Note; the Heracross and the Pinsir do NOT have their Mega Stones. You obtain their Mega Stones starting Monday, August 18. The end date for the Mega Stones is currently unknown.
[[User:DJMander|DJMander]] ([[User talk:DJMander|talk]]) 14:57, 13 August 2014 (UTC)DJMander 14:57, August 13

== Unless I was imagining things ==

There used to be link to the forums in "navigation" but I can't see it anymore.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:23, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
:I think there's something wrong with the sidebar... the links all show up in [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] but not in the actual sidebar itself... ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:54, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
::For me, it's there. Although once, the navigation bar ''did'' derp for me, so maybe...[[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 21:43, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
:::It is there now, but when I checked about an hour ago, it only had what I would assume would be default options: Main Page, Help, Recent Changes, and Random Page. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:55, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
::::By "Navigation" I'm assuming you mean just the bar that says navigation, which does not have the link to the forums. There is a "Bulbagarden" sidebar right below the search bar that has the link to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:52, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::That assumption is correct. The navigation sidebar was the one that goofed up and only showed four of the seven links. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 04:24, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::Occasionally the sidebar hiccups and does that. It comes back eventually though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:47, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

== Uhhhh ==

When I go to "bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net", instead of taking me to the ain page by default, it takees me to some weird "nginx" thing :/ [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 19:24, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
:It brings me to the normal Main Page, it sounds like something might be redirecting you, maybe try running a virus scan or clearing your cookies, if it still happens, report it on the forums in the Bulbawiki General Forum. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 00:33, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
::If I understand things correctly, Nginx is a web server or at least software that runs as a server. Likely, Bulbagarden uses Nginx for at least part of the network, though I think that would be a question more for the {{bp|Webmasters}}. Did it say something like "502 Bad Gateway - nginx\1.6.0" or so? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

== Possible evolution in anime ==

According to the [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/img/index/teaser/posterBig.jpg poster of M18], [[Serena's Fennekin]], [[Clemont's Luxio]] and [[Jessie's Pumpkaboo]] may evolve in the future. Could someone protect those articles? [[User:KyleRGiggs|Raymond]] 06:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

==StreetPass article==

It just occurred to me that the wiki could probably afford to have an article about [[StreetPass]]. Considering that it's a 3DS feature that is used by several Pokémon games for 3DS (both main series and side games), I would think an article compiling its functionality and how to access it in each game would be worthwhile. I don't have time to make that right now, as I'm focused on other things, but maybe someone else could? —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:11, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

== pointless ==

every attack article saYS "this article needs a better picture. reason: in has to be a generation 6 picture." why not leave it the way it is??? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 22:32, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
:The reason why the notices are there is to have up-to-date information on all things Pokémon. It wouldn't be good if the third Gen images were the most current for all moves created prior to the fourth Gen. [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] ([[User talk:Adamws|talk]]) 00:53, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:: <:( i just like generation 5 --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 02:50, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

== also... ==

please just remove bad words they scare me so muuuuuuuuuch waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 22:35, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
:While it is in the [[Bulbapedia:Code of conduct|Code of conduct]] that profanity is not looked on as a good thing, there is not too much that can be done. I'm not a fan of it either but as long as it is not where it shouldn't be, there shouldn't be a problem. Also, just saying there are bad words doesn't help. You actually need to point out where it is; then the proper actions can be taken. [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] ([[User talk:Adamws|talk]]) 00:53, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
::There's nothing wrong with the occasional swear word. Plus, some people seem to think certain words are "bad" whilst others would think they're perfectly normal. It's completely impossible to censor what some people think as bad words. For example, to some people "hell" could be seen as a bad word. To me, there's nothing wrong with it at all. As long as they aren't directed towards another user as an insult, swear words are fine. Most people know them after all. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 15:52, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:::: really? bad words are NOT ok and the REALLY make me angry! I JUST HATE HOW THE WORLD ACTUALLY LIKES WHAT'S WRONG! --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 02:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

== Links of Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance ==

'''Some''' of the links of Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance '''do not''' work correctly (Ex. Starfy Wiki). I noticed that if I take out the /Main_Page from the URL it '''will work'''. This may be different for other web browsers.
----[[User:Ethan7|Ethan]] ''([[User talk:Ethan7|Discussion]])'' 04:16, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
:Yes. The Starfy Wiki and Golden Sun Universe links need to be altered to be /wiki/Main_Page instead of just /Main_Page due to a change (from a relatively long time ago) causing simply /Main_Page not to work. If I remember rightly there was a NIWA staff discussion of some sort arguing that everything in the NIWA wikis should be under /wiki/. I am not sure why and I no longer have the discussion archived, but the MediaWiki website [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_in_site_root_directory thinks this is bad too]. Super Mario Wiki didn't make the change. [[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] ([[User talk:Chickasaurus|talk]]) 06:03, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

== waaaaaaaaaaah ==

can you add pokemon cries from each game/generation? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 18:32, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
:This has been discussed a ''while'' back (and I mean a ''while''), and the answer was that we want it but the servers can't handle it. Not sure if that is still the case today, since it hasn't been brought up since.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
::ok then --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 23:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Gender

2015-02-15T23:45:26Z

Valehd: /* typing players */ new section

==Gender Based Evolutions==

Thanks for making Gender Based Evolutions more detailed, Fabu-Vinny! I thought it was important, but I couldn't seem to describe it well.
--[[User:Cai|Cai]] 06:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== First mention? ==

Of differences between genders. Rustboro Pokemon (Lazy again) Center, male kid on the left. Trivia? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:09 7 Jun 2008'''''
:"Just like people, there are male and female POKéMON. But no one seems to have any idea how they're different."
:That seems more of an explanation for why the world's inhabitants don't know how breeding works... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 10:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::Seems to point the fact that before Gen IV there were no differences between genders, or maybe no one in the Pokémon world knows any of biology. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

== Larvitar ==

I'm pretty sure Larvitar is a female-only pokemon.{{unsigned|Retasulettuce}}
:Uh, you're wrong. No offense.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== Gender or Sex ==

Gender is ''not'' the same thing as sex. A gender implies identification with people of a certain sex, but not necessarily ''being'' that physical sex. The Pokémon here are physically of a certain sex or not, as are the male or female trainers. Thus, this page is discriminatory against transgendered individuals. If the game ever uses the word "gender", then this page shouldn't be moved. However, otherwise, it should be moved to "Sex". I know that some people have a irksome avoidance of usage of the terminology due to its [[Pokémon breeding|other meanings]], but in this case it is at the point of being discriminatory. If the games do actually use "Gender" in their own terminology, then it should be mentioned that when Pokémon says "Gender" it actually means "Sex", just like "[[Evolution]]" in Pokémon is a misnomer and is more related to concepts such as "Metamorphism". [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 22:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:You scientists and your wacky terminoligies... anyway, I'm 98% sure in-game it's referred to as gender. Besides, "genderless" sounds better than "sexless" [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''gar''']] 22:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Because Ditto's anything but. The game uses "gender" in the {{egg3|Gender unknown}} in Stadium 2. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::They also use "gender" in the Diamond & Pearl game guide by Nintendo Power:
:::"''When two Pokémon of opposite genders are left at the Pokémon Day Care at Solaceon Town, they may produce an Egg.''"- [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 22:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::::No one seems to have noticed the joke I made about Ditto... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::I thought it was hilarious. Nearly laughed out loud-[[User:RexRacer|'''RexRacer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 22:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::I never actually understood Ditto... It is supposed to morph into the Pokémon it's using {{m|Transform}} on, so why does it somehow become the ''opposite'' gender to the other Pokémon you left with it... Shouldn't it become an exact copy of the Pokémon you left with it? - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 22:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sure we have better to do than talk about Pokémon.... intercourse. I can honestly see why this problem arose, and I have honestly wondered this myself. And that does make sense, why DOES Ditto become opposite gender? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|Rawr I say!]] 23:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
In battle does it copy genders?--[[User:RexRacer|'''RexRacer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 23:06, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::So far, it hasn't shown to gain a gender in battle (This could be due to a technical limitation, or the developers not thinking that players would even notice) However if it's making an exact physical copy of the Pokémon that Trasform is used on, it should ''logically'' also copy gender (or at the very least, the physical traits of gender) Anyhoo, we should probably take this to the forums since I think we're going a little past the actual subject at hand. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 23:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Or at the very least, Ditto's page.... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|Rawr I say!]] 23:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

So the games actually use the misnomer. Alright. Then a move isn't necessary. However, somewhere either near the top of the article, in a section "In relation to the real world" - as in the Evolution article, or in the trivia (least appropriate location of the three) it should mention that gender in Pokémon is really more akin to the real-world definition of {{wp|sex}} (not sexual intercourse, but the biological quality of an individual). It's not just science - and it's not about [[Pidgeotto (Pokémon)|pigeon-holing]] either - it's about not being discriminatory. I have transgendered friends. I know transexual individuals as well. They're different, and they prefer to be identified correctly, rather than being lumped together. It's like how we could say that that [[Dawn's Buneary]] is female, but it could actually be the other sex, and just identify with the female gender (note this is different than a suggestion that it is homosexual in liking [[Ash's Pikachu|Pikachu]]). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:Look, the reason the games use the word "gender" is because it is a commonly accepted euphimism for biological "sex". '''''[[User:GuyNamedSean|Sean...]] [[Dialga (Pokémon)|Lord]] [[User talk:GuyNamedSean|of the]] [[Darkrai (Pokémon)|Shadows!!!]]''''' 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Despite their differences, it’s not clear that Pokémon actually have sexes in a biological sense, and the term “gender” is consistently used in the canon. It’s not sufficient when talking about human characters, though... and I don’t think it is ever used to classify humans in the games, is it? Don’t the professors just ask if you are a boy or a girl? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 21:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
== Gender Counterparts ==

Alright, I keep seeing the argument about Tauros/Miltank connection, but people keep using other examples, specificly Nidoran♂/Nidoran♀ and Volbeat/Illumise. Could someone please confirm the relations of the Pokémon with '''known''' genderal relations, suspected relations, and just plain similarities? '''''[[User:GuyNamedSean|Sean...]] [[Dialga (Pokémon)|Lord]] [[User talk:GuyNamedSean|of the]] [[Darkrai (Pokémon)|Shadows!!!]]''''' 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
: The Nidos are OBVIOUSLY gender counterparts-they were gender counterparts before gender even existed! As for Volbeat,/Illumise, they happen to mention it in the Pokédex AND the anime. So your argument is invalid. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 19:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:: I don't get it, personally. When i saw the Tauros/Miltank mix... i got really confused. I mean, they don't look similar at all like the Nidorans and the Volbeat/Illumise. Tauros is a more realistic style compared to Miltank's cartoony look. And they're just... i don't see the relation at ALL. Okay, so one is a bull and one is a... cow. o_o Can someone give me a few valid arguements to help me out? I just don't see why anyone would think they're counterparts. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 06:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::If you look at their availabilities, they are found in the same locations in GSCDPPt; and in DPPt their appearance rates are inverse of each other. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::::And the bull and cow thing... Pretty obvious... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Seems like a HUGE stretch to me... they're from different games, look completely different, and just... even if they happen to have similar locations, it's still weird. And Tauros is more of a wild bull than a steak bull. ._. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Heatran ==

As far as I know, Heatran is also a male-only Pokémon. [[User:Pandamonia|Pan]]·[[User:Pandamonia|da]]·[[User:Pandamonia|mo]]·[[User_talk:Pandamonia|ni]]·[[Special:Contributions/Pandamonia|a]] 02:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Male or female. --[[User:PsychicRider|PsychicRider]] [[User talk:PsychicRider|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|C]] 02:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== Nidorans ==

Why are they listed as unofficial? Nidoran♀ can produce Nidoran♂ eggs, regardless of the compatible male she breeds with. I just confirmed it after several friends said they tested it before as well. A Nidoran♀ and a male Marowak produced a Nidoran♂ egg. I plan to test this will Volbeat and Illumise later as well. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 06:57, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:It's unofficial because they're not one "Nidoran" species but they are considered two species (diff Pokédex numbers, etc). [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:59, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well they do have the same name, sort of. I don't want this to turn into a canon, fanon, or semantics arguement, but I think the fact that a Nidoran♀ can produce a Nidoran♂ egg, even without breeding with a Nidoran♂/Nidorino/Nidoking, is enough to make it official. In a sense they are in the same Pokemon family line, like a split evolution, only the split occurs before the egg hatches. Either way, it shouldn't be grouped with Pokémon that are indeed wholly unrelated like Tauros and Miltank. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 01:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

== Unofficial... ==

Yeah we need to use a different word. Illumise can make Volbeat eggs, and Latios and Latias are ''intentionally'' counterparts. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 11:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:Egg relatives? I hate not having an official term. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 23:34, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::What did you have in mind?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:46, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I have rearranged things to take care of the Bug-types. I dunno what to do about the Lati@s, though, and “Egg relatives” wouldn’t cover them since they produce no eggs. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 21:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Gardevoir & Gallade; Glalie & Froslass. ==

They are currently in the same section as Lati@s, and not in the same as Mothim and Wormadam, despite evolving from the same species. Typo? Or is the game mechanic unofficial, somehow? --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 12:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think those families are unofficial because they have one member that can be either gender and one member that has a fixed gender. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:53, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::OK, that explains it. The word "unofficial" led me to think of disputed fan speculation, so it might be a confusing choice of word. Their relations are also a step more established than the Lati@s relation. --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 14:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that the evolutions of Kirlia and Snorunt should be listed as "male and female counterparts" at all, unofficial or not. They are sets of Pokémon that evolve from the same species, one of which existed in Generation III with a 50-50 gender ratio, and one of which was introduced in Generation IV as an alternate, gender-specific evolution. I know it is mentioned in tiny print that Gardevoir and Glalie can be either gender, but with that being the case, why list them under the counterparts section as if they were a single-gendered Pokémon? You could say one was more feminine and one more masculine, but I don't see how they are "male and female counterparts" any more than Politoed and Poliwrath or Gorebyss and Huntail. If they were removed from the section I believe it would help to clear up some confusion within the fandom as well. [[User:Endeavor|Endeavor]] 00:11, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

== Lati ==

Why are the Lati in the unnofficial section? They are confirmed to be the same Pokemon, similar to the Nidoran & Volbeat/Illumise, the only reason they are in the No Eggs group is because they are legendary.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 18:19, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

== lati@s ==

My friend is a real cheater and one time he used cheats to breed latias but the egg hatched into a latios!!
Is this a good fact to add? {{unsigned|Nickvang}}
:If it involves [[cheating]], it's not notable. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 15:59, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Both Pokemon are in the No eggs group, so they cannot breed. Though I do not know what would happen if Latias was given the ability to breed with cheats, if it could produce Latios eggs. (A reliable source really should check if this is possible) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:04, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::It's not really about cheats but about the game programming so it's perhaps notable. Nickvang 18:43 5 June 2011
::::From the article: "Latias have produced eggs containing Latios in the anime", so it would make sense since the two are related. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 16:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

== Genderless ==

Would a list of genderless Pokémon be appropriate for this page? If not, will someone please link me to where said list is? [[User:Stmorawski|Stmorawski]] 22:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Gender_unknown_(egg_group) Here's] a place to start. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

==Single Gender table==
Whats with the order of the female Pokemon in the Single-gender Pokémon table? Though the evo families are grouped together (makes sense), none are sorted by Dex number or alphabetically. Basically, the currently order is: Chansey family, Petilil family, Jynx family, Vespiquen, Kangaskhan and Cresselia. Is it meant to be like this? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

== A main image? ==

I want to ask if anyone thinks it's a good idea to add a main image at the top of the page, because I've gotten two suggestions: we could use the 'Are you a boy. Or are you a girl?'-picture on the top, or maybe the picture at the bottom of this page: http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/downloads/. (However, there is some text in the latter picture, although I do think that there exists a version without it.) I also think that latter picture would be really usable because of the split of blue and pink to clearly indicate the picture is about genders. That way it would also indicate that this page is about genders. So does a main image for this page sound suitable or not? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 19:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds like a good idea. If we could find an image without without the text that would be preferable. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:53, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
::Foud it: http://www.pokemon.com/uk/pokemon-fun-zone/downloads/detail/all/empokemon-xem-and-empokemon-yem-heroes-wallpaper/. However, it still has the 'Pokémon Xtm Pokémon Ytm'. Is that a problem, or should someone try to edit it by using both images? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 20:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Editing it out won't work I noticed. However, I don't think the X and Y will be a problem, as we could simply state ''Boy-Girl' artwork from Pokémon X and Y'. So would anybody be nice enough to upload the file to the Archives, please? [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 18:49, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

== Petilil and Cottonee ==

Could Petilil/Lilligant and Cottonee/Whimsicott be added as unofficial counterparts with them asterisked to indicate it can be either gender--like Gardevoir and Gallade, for example. [[User:Griffindaly|griffindaly]] ([[User talk:Griffindaly|talk]]) 20:35, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
:They are (essentially, even though not literally) version counterparts, but they are not gender counterparts, so they do not belong on this page. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

== Fine, don't include the "unofficial" chart, but... ==

Miltank, Tauros, Gallade, Froslass, Rufflet, Braviary, Vullaby, and Mandibuzz are now ''not on the list of mono-gender Pokémon at all''. Gee, what a stunning improvement. </sarcasm> If they're not on their own chart, they belong in one of the other charts. And given that I come from a Wiki where consensus is the be-all and end-all and there is no visible consensus for removal, who is to blame me for reverting their removal? --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 22:43, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 PS. And I, not Pumpkinking, was blamed for edit warring. I, who reverted ''once''. Not Pumpkinking, who reverted my reversion. I wasn't even given a chance to respond before being blamed. This Wiki has a massive problem with insularity, as this shows. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 22:45, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
:As I've said on my talk page, I was not aware that the mono-gender list does not already list all Pokemon regardless of whether they are listed elsewhere on the page, and I feel this is a mistake; also, there is a consensus against fanon for Bulbapedia as a whole (excluding the Appendix and Shipping namespaces), so each individual issue doesn't need a separate consensus on it. Finally, I did not revert you. TheOriginalOne did, then 0danmaster restored the section, and I reverted 0danmaster. In my personal opinion, this was not an edit war because no party reverted multiple times in a row, but I'll let the mods handle it as they will.
:The mono-gender table looks ugly anyway, so I'll draft up a new version of it in my userspace and request an admin put it in at their soonest convenience. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:56, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
:For the record, [[User:Pumpkinking0192/Gender table|this is my draft]], and I've asked {{u|G50}} on her talk page because she was the one who protected the article. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:29, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
::Okay, sorry for jumping to conclusions a bit, I did not notice there had been another reversion in there. (For the record, though, 0danmaster wasn't warned about edit warring either; only I was, though if there was a war it was in RESPONSE to my edit.) Aspects of the old chart were questionably fanon (well, Rufflet/Vullaby was a reach, version counterparts or no) but fine, my main concern was the loss of the information in its entirety - if I had noticed the re-reversion without the page getting locked, I'd have given up and thrown them into the lower chart, which would have completely pre-empted any edit war. A lot of my reaction is that I do ''not'' like being accused of something I did not do, and this isn't the first time accusations of things I did not do have been thrown my way on this Wiki. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 08:25, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
::PS. Forgot to say: But I shouldn't have taken it out on you since you didn't make that accusation, so again, sorry. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] ([[User talk:HeroicJay|talk]]) 08:31, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
:::I don't get any of this! There are many Pokémon to be stated counterparts of each other in their trivias. Mostly because of a shared location, similar movesets, similar ways to evolve, similar ways of obtaining and simalar base stats. But we can't list Miltank and Tauros here as being counterparts, and that they are also (maybe like coincidentally) of the opposite gender? That makes no sense! [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 19:13, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
::::First of all, the fact that they're in trivia instead of the main body of the article is the reason they can get away with not being deleted. Second, they're carefully worded as "may be counterparts" or "can be seen as counterparts" because if they were stated outright as counterparts — as this page previously did — they would immediately get removed for speculation. Third, even as they currently stand, I don't like those trivia and would like to see them deleted, but there seems to be enough of a consensus for them that I'm not going to bother trying. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:45, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::"A counterpart of the other gender" seems to be everything necessary to be put onto that list. In interviews with Ken Sugimori he stated that Mandibuzz and Braviary are officially counterparts: "According to interviews with Ken Sugimori in Nintendo Dream, Vullaby and Mandibuzz were added late into the development of Black and White. When Mandibuzz was originally created by James Turner, it was unrelated to Braviary, but it was later decided to use its design as a counterpart to Braviary." So they are counterparts, and of the other gender. So they have the right to be on such list! No fan speculation, no whatever. Just facts, confirmation and a fitting list! [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 09:49, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::But, unlike the other “official” counterpart species, they aren’t related in-game by evolution or reproduction. At best, they are conceptual counterparts only, in the vein of Tauros & Miltank. For this reason, I have removed reference to “couterparts” from the single-gender section of the article, replacing it with the phrase “explicitly related species of the other/both gender(s)”. This also resulted in the removal of Vespiquen, who is explicitly related to Combee; Vespiquen is covered in the section on gender-based evolution. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 20:31, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
::Your draft needs updating: you forgot Tauros, Rufflet, & Braviary; Flabébé, Floette, & Florges from the now-released Gen VI are also female-only. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 20:31, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
::Also, it seems weird/kinda ugly having two completely different table styles in the same article. I do think the big gender symbols are kinda out-of-place. Lemme try something. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 20:52, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
::There, I removed the big ugly gender symbols, & added a table that covers the single-gender evolutions, so every single-gender Pokémon is now present in at least one table. Do you like the small gender symbols, or would you rather have one looking more like this:
::{| style="background:#9776A3; {{roundy}}; margin:auto; border: 5px solid #BAA4C2"
| colspan="7" style="background:#DCD1E0; color:#9776A3; {{roundytop|5px}};" |
|- style="background:#BFDBFD; text-align:center"
| style="vertical-align:bottom; color:#0070f8" | [[File:236.png]] {{p|Tyrogue}}
| style="vertical-align:middle" | →
| style="vertical-align:bottom; color:#0070f8" | [[File:106.png]] {{p|Hitmonlee}}
| style="vertical-align:middle" | or
| style="vertical-align:bottom; color:#0070f8" | [[File:107.png]] {{p|Hitmonchan}}
| style="vertical-align:middle" | or
| style="vertical-align:bottom; color:#0070f8" | [[File:237.png]] {{p|Hitmontop}}
|- style="text-align:center"
| style="background:#F9C7C3; vertical-align:bottom; color:#e82010" | [[File:440.png]] {{p|Happiny}}
| style="background:#F9C7C3; vertical-align:middle" | →
| style="background:#F9C7C3; vertical-align:bottom; color:#e82010" | [[File:113.png]] {{p|Chansey}}
| style="background:#F9C7C3; vertical-align:middle" | →
| style="background:#F9C7C3; vertical-align:bottom; color:#e82010" | [[File:242.png]] {{p|Blissey}}
| style="background:#DCD1E0; vertical-align:middle" |
| style="background:#F9C7C3; vertical-align:bottom; color:#e82010" | [[File:115.png]] {{p|Kangaskhan}}
|-
| colspan="7" style="background:#DCD1E0; color: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundybottom|5px}};" |
|}? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 22:58, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
===I fixed it, sort of===
...which is to say: while my solution will probably not please everyone, at least ALL single-gender Pokémon are now back in the article. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 20:31, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 P.S.: I also tried to bring the table more in line with the others on the page in terms of background color & fix a few formatting errors, but my edit got a bad formatting warning. It looks fine to me, so I posted it anyway, but maybe someone could identify what exactly Bulbapedia believes I broke? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 20:31, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:LaprasBoi, I agree with your point that we shouldn't have differently-formatted tables on the same page, but I disagree with most of the rest of what you're doing. We should absolutely not group unofficial counterparts together; they are '''unofficial''' and we report facts, not opinions. Thus, National Pokedex order is the easiest way to enforce neutrality on this article. Likewise, the symbols are completely unnecessary; the headers easily signify gender, and evolution lines are irrelevant to the subject matter of this page. (Also, please add new comments to the '''bottom''' of the section, not sandwiched in the middle. You're making your monologue hard to follow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::I '''''DID''''' PUT THEM IN NATIONAL POKÉDEX ORDER. Then I moved later-introduced evolutions & pre-evolutions to be with their pre-existing family members. Then I moved all the legendaries to the end. This just HAPPENED to put all counterparts next to each other; it was completely unintentional, but I thought it was a nice bonus & a good compromise since there is NOT a consensus here yet, clearly. That said, I don’t really mind the split into two tables, but I disagree that evolution lineage is should not be considered for ordering; & also see no reason to include alternate formes & megas.( And my comments are placed based on what I am responding to. You can easily trace the intention by looking at how far they are indented. But here, I WILL subsection this, since it is relatively separate from the earlier dialogue, though still within the same conversation.) --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 01:43, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::''"Then I moved later-introduced evolutions & pre-evolutions to be with their pre-existing family members."'' Using an order like that is more confusing than anything. There are two options, IMO.

:::1) Keep the table basically like it is and ONLY order the Pokemon by National Dex order. That means Tyrogue comes after Hitmonlee.
:::2) Revamp the tables and make the different "groups" more distinct, less consecutive. As a decent mock-up, I mean something like this for the males:
{|style="background: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundy}}; margin:auto; border: 5px solid #{{normal color}}"
|colspan="4" style="background:#0070f8; {{roundytop|5px}}; text-align:center"|'''Male'''
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; text-align:center"
|[[File:236Tyrogue.png|100px]] {{p|Tyrogue}}
|[[File:106Hitmonlee.png|100px]] {{p|Hitmonlee}}
|[[File:107Hitmonchan.png|100px]] {{p|Hitmonchan}}
|[[File:237Hitmontop.png|100px]] {{p|Hitmontop}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; text-align:center"
| colspan="4" |[[File:128Tauros.png|100px]] {{p|Tauros}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; text-align:center"
| colspan="2" |[[File:538Throh.png|100px]] {{p|Throh}}
| colspan="2" |[[File:539Sawk.png|100px]] {{p|Sawk}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; text-align:center"
| colspan="2" |[[File:627Rufflet.png|100px]] {{p|Rufflet}}
| colspan="2" |[[File:628Braviary.png|100px]] {{p|Braviary}}
|- style="background:#{{normal color light}}; text-align:center"
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|[[File:642Thundurus.png|100px]] {{p|Thundurus}}
|style="background:#{{normal color light}}; {{roundybr|5px}}"|[[File:645Landorus.png|100px]] {{p|Landorus}}
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:::Throh and Sawk are together because they're obviously "related", but they could be separate. Likewise with the Genies (who may actually present a challenge if done like that; they'll need borders, and I'm not sure that'd work out well, or else easily).

:::I really think we should just do pure National Dex order, though. It's easily the simplest (in a number of ways). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Could you explain what you find confusing about family grouping? That might help me see where you’re coming from. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 02:41, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::There's not a ton of reason to organize it by family, and National Dex is standard and clean. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:52, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, ^that, basically. Specifically: when I see something like Tauros sandwiched directly between Hitmontop and Throh, I become terribly confused about what order everyone's in. It just makes no immediately apparent sense.
::::::Honestly, if you want to group families so badly, then you shouldn't be listing everyone in one continuous table/set of cells where they're all mashed together. If you're concerned about the families, you should separate them more clearly, something like I suggested above. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:56, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Um. Why is it confusing to have Tauros between Hitmontop & Throh, but not confusing for it to be in the middle of the Hitmon family( as in National order)? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 02:59, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Well, because it's the ''National Order''. I know the National Order. I've played every game more or less as it came out, or had my ear to the game news. I don't have any trouble, really, telling which Generation a Pokemon was in. Therefore, I also know its position in the National Pokedex relative to others. So when I see Tauros from Gen I between a Gen II and Gen V Pokemon, that's jarring.
::::::::But just in general, National Pokedex order is an ''actual'' order. Your family-prioritized order is a rarity at best; it's absolutely not in any games (at least as far as I remember; which says something if it actually is). Therefore, it is also not so understandable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:12, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::AH. I see part of the problem: I am trying to do what will be simplest for a Pokémon newbie to understand( grouping visually similar, related Pokémon together); while you are doing what makes most sense for someone who has memorized the National Pokédex order. Is there a compromise that would be less space-consuming than the one you have posted in this section( which, ftr, looks O.K. to me, just has more blank space than I would like)? {{unsigned|LaprasBoi}}
::::::::::Given that we are on a wiki on which all users have access to the fandom's complete collective knowledge of Pokemon (or at least, as close to it as we can get), I don't think we should sacrifice canonical sense for ease of understanding. But also I like the table Tiddlywinks posted above as a compromise. I'm not too concerned with the blank space; given the choice between it and misleading/confusing/cluttered presentation, I'll take the blank space. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:34, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::I disagree about not prioritizing accessibility of the info for casual readers, but since it seems most of us are willing to accept that table, I guess we go with it. See folks? Discussion→understanding→compromise→consensus. Yay. :-p --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 03:52, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

==Evolution and players==
I have three issues: One, the giant "N/A" in the evolution template looks really...not good. I don't have a suggestion for how to improve it, though, sorry. Two, Calem's cell is a lot darker than any other, and I don't know how to fix that. Three, Calem and Serena are really low resolution, so their images look quite blurry. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 01:55, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:I removed the N/As in favor of visually null cells, how’s that? I also fixed Calem’s background. The problem with Calem & Serena is not that the images are low-res, it’s that there are no sprites for humans in Gen VI, so those are actually HIGH-res PNG images of their artwork, scaled down to a size on par with the sprites for earlier generations. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 02:41, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::Well, apparently someone else redid it so that there's no need for cells of that kind, anyway, and it looks fine. Thanks for fixing Calem's background. And yeah, I meant it was high-res scaled down; technical speak isn't my forte and I said the wrong thing. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:45, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::Actually, now it shows that only female Kirlia can become Gardevoir. Again, I don't know how to fix this. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:52, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Maybe someone can replace all the player characters with artwork, as was done for the Pokémon? The we could have them all a bit less compressed... --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 02:59, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I saw that, will get it in a second. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 02:59, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::::It doesn't really "show" that, though I could understand if it might look that way. The male/female cells are supposed to overlap vertically with whichever evolution form they can evolve into; and it does, for Kirlia. But if you really want something else, let me present the best alternative I had, kind of a hybrid with the previous table. It could be more complete, perhaps, and I just tacked on the header (minus "Evolution method") from the current table so perhaps that could be worded differently, but here it is for reference:
{| align="center" style="background: #{{normal color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{normal color}}"
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! style="background:#{{normal color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Pre-evolution
! style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | Gender
! style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | Evolved
|- align="center" valign="center" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| rowspan="2" | [[File:281Kirlia.png|100px]] {{p|Kirlia}}
! style="background:#0070f8; text-align:center" | Male only → [[Dawn Stone]]
| [[File:475Gallade.png|100px]] {{p|Gallade}}
|- align="center" valign="center" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
! style="background:#744884; text-align:center; color:#fff" | Either →
| [[File:282Gardevoir.png|100px]] {{p|Gardevoir}}
|- align="center" valign="center" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| rowspan="2" | [[File:361Snorunt.png|100px]] {{p|Snorunt}}
! style="background:#e82010; text-align:center" | Female only → [[Dawn Stone]]
| [[File:478Froslass.png|100px]] {{p|Froslass}}
|- align="center" valign="center" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
! style="background:#744884; text-align:center; color:#fff" | Either →
| [[File:362Glalie.png|100px]] {{p|Glalie}}
|- align="center" valign="center" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
| rowspan="2" | [[File:412Burmy.png|100px]] {{p|Burmy}}
! style="background:#0070f8; text-align:center" | Male only →
| [[File:414Mothim.png|100px]] {{p|Mothim}}
|- align="center" valign="center" style="background:#{{normal color light}}"
! style="background:#e82010; text-align:center" | Female only →
| [[File:413Wormadam-Plant.png|100px]] {{p|Wormadam}}
|- align="center" valign="center"
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | [[File:415Combee.png|100px]] {{p|Combee}} 
! style="background:#e82010; text-align:center" | Female only →
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:416Vespiquen.png|100px]] {{p|Vespiquen}}
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[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:04, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::That one looks a lot clearer to me. I vote that we use it. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 03:09, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Well, I mostly just think it's a lot uglier. =/ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:14, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::No, it does that for Snorunt but NOT for Kirlia. But I like the new one with purple best anyway, especially since it turns out I have no clue how to fix the current one. :-p --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 03:16, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::You're saying that, in Kirlia's row, the border between the Male and Female cells looks like it's exactly even with the border between the Dawn Stone and Level up cells? ...I wonder if you could screenshot it maybe, and I could see if it actually looks to you how it looks to me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:23, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Correct. I was actually already thinking of that, because I wondered if our disagreement over   in the player characters table was also due to seeing different things. So, I can take the screenshots, but how do I share them with you? Dropbox? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 03:31, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Here, I took a picture. It's not quite exact, but the difference is, like, a pixel. I'm assuming it's the same for LaprasBoi. http://i.imgur.com/Ad4jy7Y.png {{unsigned|WyndFox}}
:::::::::What browser are you using? <s>I'm looking at it on Chrome, and the borders line up exactly in the proper way.</s> Never mind, it appears to have changed. A previous version is what I'm remembering lining up correctly. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:39, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
(reset indent)It looks exactly like that on my computer, and I'm using Chrome. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 03:41, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:Ditto. That screenshot is from Chrome. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 03:42, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::Well damn...unfortunately, I couldn't make it dynamic so that it was, like, always 3/4 vs 1/4 of Kirlia's height...but I'm a little perplexed that Kirlia looks like that and Snorunt looks fine. Maybe I'll try to think/search more about a better method. But if it's a problem right now, then I suppose we should just go with the alternative above, then. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:43, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::I personally think that scaling the male/female at 75/25 and the evolutions at 50/50 would be confusing and look like a mistake to the average reader even if you managed to get it to work. I'd strongly prefer the alternative posted above in this section. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:47, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::::For once, Pump & I are in complete agreement. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 04:03, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Yup, it does look as above for me. Also, gimme a sec & I will post how the player character table looks to me without the   s. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 04:03, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::So:
:::Without   s:http://i.imgur.com/OBUohOD.png
:::With   s:http://imgur.com/DHYqLL4.png
:::If you have a better fix, by all means, please! --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 04:10, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::::And [http://imgur.com/rJs9eET this] is what I see. The "Original" is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gender&oldid=2010329#Trainers this revision], without the breaks, while the "Altered" is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gender&oldid=2010317#Trainers this revision], with them. (I'm in Firefox 20.0 .) I'd honestly consider a solution that just sets the heights to be better...but I really wish I knew what was going on in the gulf between our browsers. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:21, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Indeed. I still think my altered version is better than how Chrome displays the original version, but ideally we want it to look, in all browsers, the way the original looked in Firefox. Fixed heights could do it, but they would have to be readjusted if the sprites get swapped out for artwork soon. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] ([[User talk:LaprasBoi|talk]]) 05:05, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::I think the best "solution" is to submit it as a bug to Chrome and let them fix it... I downloaded Chromium and looked for ways to fix it, but I can't find anything dynamic, that you wouldn't have to readjust if the images ever changed. And it's [[Giant Chasm#Layout|not only a problem]] here on the Gender page. Rather than trying to "fix" it everywhere where it might be a problem (and again, it'd be a custom solution for each case and would have to change if the thing it was calibrated for ever changed), I'd really rather just leave things as they are/were and tell Chrome to fix it once, on their end, instead. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== On the naming of the "Other single-gendered Pokemon" section ==

I think "Other single-gendered Pokemon" is a bad name for the section, because "Other" implies an original, a "Single-gendered Pokemon" section, or else "[SomeKindOf] single-gendered Pokemon" which has a separate set of single-gendered Pokemon. But there is no such section (not explicitly). In that whole "Pokemon" section, there's subheadings of "Gender Differences", "Related Species", and "Gender-based evolution". "Other single-gendered Pokemon" (the "Other" in particular) doesn't make sense among that company.

What the section really is is, as I had it, "Single-gendered Pokemon families". The [[List of Pokémon by evolution family]] has absolutely no problem with "families" with only one Pokemon, so that shouldn't be a problem here either. "Single-gendered Pokemon families" is the most accurate/descriptive name for the section. Can we please just go with that? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:06, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:"Other" as opposed to each of the former sections (aside from the gender differences, which really shouldn't be grouped with the rest) which each describe certain specific types of single-gendered Pokemon. I object to "Single-gendered Pokemon families" on two grounds: (1) because Pokemon that do not evolve are not part of an evolutionary family, and that list is wrong about this as well and I object to it on the same grounds; and (2) because we must '''either''' include something in the title to indicate that it is only talking about Pokemon not previously mentioned in earlier sections '''or''' repeat those Pokemon in this section. In the interest of avoiding redundancy, I prefer the former.
:Would you be less uncomfortable with my preferred title if we instead had two sections titled "Gender differences" and "Single-gendered Pokemon," the latter having further subheads titled "Related species," "Gender-based evolution" and the section we're contesting? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:30, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::Since you've gone and edited it already, I'll say sure. But I made a couple of adjustments to satisfy my qualms with it. Mainly, that the "Gender-based evolution" section wasn't actually talking about single-gendered Pokemon in particular; it was more about a basic mechanic. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:55, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Non-aesthetic differences between player character genders ==

Aside from aesthetic differences like character sprite, bag, Pokégear/C-Gear/etc., what in-game events, Pokémon, or items are affected by the gender the player chose at the beginning of the game? The only ones I can think of at the moment are the [[Nimbasa_City#Rondez-View_Ferris_Wheel|Ferris Wheel trainers]] and [[Nimbasa_City#Pok.C3.A9mon|Yancy/Curtis]] in B/W/B2/W2. The latter is a pretty big consideration since those in-game trades are the only way to get the hidden abilities of Meowth, Shieldon, Mawile, and Teddiursa (male player character) or Mankey, Cranidos, Sableye, and Phanpy (female player character) other than the Dream World (which will soon be shut down) or trading with other players (not everyone has a reliable internet connection). I haven't played X/Y yet, so is there even more gender-exclusive stuff in those games? ~ [[User:Katrinuh|Katrinuh]] ([[User talk:Katrinuh|talk]]) 13:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

== "Gender unknown" over "genderless" ==

This is what [[Pokédex 3D Pro]] (and maybe [[Pokédex 3D]], haven't verified) and the X and Y Postgame Guide/Pokédex calls Pokémon with no gender listed: "Gender unknown". Not "genderless", but "gender unknown". Thus, it may be incorrect to refer to such Pokémon as "genderless" if official sources say that their gender is unknown, and not simply having a lack of gender. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 17:49, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

== typing players ==

can't we do the players in typing adventure? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 23:45, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

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== Update ==

Hi Berrenta,

I moved my Deer page to your Trophy page, which can be viewed [[User:Berrenta /Trophy|here]] (odd... weird space, sorry about that...). Just a friendly reminder in advance to use the preview button. If need be, I usually copy and paste my data into a Word document, so it's easier to read and whatnot. Any other questions, feel free to ask. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:23, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
:Okay, thanks for letting me know. I'll be sure to add my other tables sometime later in the week as well. Take care! [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 02:03, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

== Moves that partially trap ==

Thank you for your help on the "Moves that partially trap" pages! ;) They are much better than mines. --[[User:Blinx9999guizar|Blinx9999guizar]] ([[User talk:Blinx9999guizar|talk]]) 04:10, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
:No problem. Adjustment on your contributions was rather minor (just remember that trapping moves can come from either side), but there were other things I had to adjust, too, like links. Always willing to help where needed. ;) [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 04:17, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

==Event tables==
I would just like to point out a few corrections that should be made to event tables, but your help is appreciated. The Generation section of the template is no longer used, instead it uses the games available which use the template [[template:gameabbrev3|gameabbrev3]]. The second thing is the linking, Pokémon that were distributed at multiple locations (such as {{p|Eevee}} or {{p|Keldeo}}), each location should be listed separately (for example if it was distributed in France and Germany, it would have two different entries). Another thing I noticed is the distribution dates, which should be the entire period of time it was distributed and not just the year (for example The Gotta Catch 'Em All Station! Eevee would be February 21 to 27, 2003). The last thing is the PGL listing, which is done just like the other events with the only difference being the location which is listed as <nowiki>[Language]</nowiki> PGL (for example the Lucario that was available to Japanese games would be Japanese PGL). If you have any further questions fell free to ask me or {{u|SnorlaxMonster}}. Thanks for your help. '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 01:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:Okay, will keep that in mind. Thanks. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 01:34, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Funfest Missions ==

Whoa, once again, you've read my mind. [[User:ht14/Funfest|Here's]] my information for Funfest missions... I'm missing a lot clearly, but maybe you could add on to it as well? I'll keep it as my page for now, but feel to modify it any way you want. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:48, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
:I may see what I can do. Got school to deal with, though, but hopefully I can get something to add there in the meantime. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 02:58, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

==Goronda==
http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/New_Pok%C3%A9mon,_Gym_Leaders,_Team_Flare_surface_in_CoroCoro
Sorry the link didn't work as I wanted it to. [[User:Mr.Anonymous|Mr.Anonymous]] ([[User talk:Mr.Anonymous|talk]]) 13:32, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
:So it was confirmed. Thanks for clearing that up! [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 13:48, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== What is ==
Berrenta what is a userspace and mainspace? --[[User:Oshastar656|Oshastar656]] ([[User talk:Oshastar656|talk]]) 18:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:A userspace is an area where those that are at least autoconfirmed can create for themselves. Mainspace is where the main articles are located, such as those for individual Pokémon species, anime/manga/game characters, and many others. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 18:12, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

== Biology Rewriting ==

Hello. I just wanted to stop by and thank you for your hard work rewriting the Pokémon biology sections. Your help with this project is very appreciated, and you've been doing a great job with it. Keep up the good work! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:14, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:Hey, no problem. I admit that there were rough edges I need to smooth out, but I am willing to improve as you may have noticed. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 13:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

==Dialga Event==
Do you have proof of attending a GameStop (ex. a promotional poster for the event) to get Dialga or a self obtained image of the its summary screen? I am just wondering because you added its OT as "SMR2013", but a leaked distribution cartridge for the US distribution has "SUM2013" for the OT. '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 01:28, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
:There wasn't a promotional poster offered in the GameStop I went to last time I checked, but I did get a Wonder Card for the event, and I still have the Dialga with me. Checking the OT, and it appears that I typoed. Says SUM2013, not SMR2013, so you were right. *headdesk* Will fix it if you haven't done so already. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 01:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
::I can show proof that I got it by taking a picture of the Wonder Card and sending it to you, if you want. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 01:39, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
:::I don't need the image since you have checked the OT yourself. An image would have only served as a type of confirmation. I think I have also fixed it on the two pages where the OT would be listed. Thanks for checking. '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 01:43, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
::::No problem. Take care! [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 01:45, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

== Tony ==

I linked it to <nowiki>[[Tony]]</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>{{dec|Tony}}</nowiki> because the Nidoran with that nickname doesn't have an article. It is just a redirect to [[Ralph (Orange Islands)]]. Kind of like how Jet from the Pokéathlon is named just Jet instead of Jet (Johto). [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 15:27, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
:Makes sense. Well, thanks for letting me know. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 17:02, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

== Hi! ==

Hi! Can I add more lyrics to the third ending theme "Fantasy in my Pocket" please? There are websites showing the extended versions of this song... can I please add more words to it? ([[User:Fuwanati|Fuwanati]] ([[User talk:Fuwanati|talk]]) 00:39, 15 September 2013 (UTC) Fuwanati)
:I am not the one who can answer that question. Try directing that question to Project Music's leader, {{u|Umeko}}, or if you don't hear from her, an admin. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 00:51, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

== Congratulations! ==

Your [[Trophy (Online games)|Trophy page]] has made it to the mainspace! Feel free to keep contributing to it. It's a good page. Thanks for making it! ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:04, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
:Well, thanks for letting me know! I'll do the best I can. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:09, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

== Crustle and dig ==

I believe the definition of dig is something like burrowing into the ground. plus if that isn't enough to prove it why to the three wild dwebbles in the episode count for using dig when they did the exact same thing {{unsigned|Rahl}}
:Only if it's confirmed to have that move, it would it be added. Don't assume it used Dig just because it burrowed into the ground; it may be natural behavior for the species. If you insist the move was used, bring it up on the appropriate talk page. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 18:18, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

== AG104 ==

I obviously know that they were Normal-Types, otherwise I would have added it to the '''errors''' section. I thought it was curious that both of them became Fairy-Types, so that the Pokémon Trainer's Choice would be without sense ''now''. Reading it I don't think that it can be interpreted wrong, sorry if it actully did.--[[User:CiaobyDany|CiaobyDany]] ([[User talk:CiaobyDany|talk]]) 11:31, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:We could ask someone (like an admin) about it, but I highly doubt that it will be accepted, especially when we have, for example, Tracey's Marill and Dawn's Togekiss. Their species had their types changed, but since the previously mentioned mons appeared prior to Gen VI, the Fairy typing did not apply. Won't hurt, though; either you or I can ask and see who's right. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 13:10, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::Looking through the Trainer's Choice page, I think we can revert that edit back to yours, with a few touch-ups. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 13:21, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

== {{template|status}} ==

When you're updating links to the [[status condition]] page, don't forget that {{template|status}} can be used to link to specific sections on that page. This also ensures that [[Template:StatusNav|articles focusing on specific conditions]] are linked to rather than just their section on the parent page.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 01:20, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
:Noted, though I usually try to implement that template when I can. Was trying to purge the amount of redirects, but will keep that in mind. Thanks for the reminder, though! [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 01:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

== Template draft ==

Is there a chance I could get a staff member (yourself or otherwise) to look over [[User:Schiffy/Template:Warrior|this template]] to see if it can be moved and used in [[List of Pokémon Conquest characters]]? I noticed that page is using nothing but raw tables. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 21:43, 4/3/2014 (UTC)
:Looks pretty good to me. However, since I'm a newly added staff member, we'll see what the other staff thinks of it. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 22:05, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
::I had figured you'd want to, but I still asked you first since you were the most recently active staff member. Thanks for giving it a look, anyway. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 22:11, 4/3/2014 (UTC)

== Recent edits to type pages ==

Before TheSilentHero continues, I noticed something. In his calculations, he's including Megas and alternate forms (i.e. counting Darmanitan on Fire twice). So aside from using a comma in place of a decimal, he's also going about his calculations completely wrong. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 18:41, 4/7/2014 (UTC)
:Sorry, I thought you meant you counted Mega's and alternate formes by saying "counting forms and Mega Evolutions that change typing as different Pokémon". However, the current percentages are way off, being 150,2% when added up. [[User:TheSilentHero|TheSilentHero]] ([[User talk:TheSilentHero|talk]]) 18:43, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
::First, TheSilentHero, we do not use commas for decimals. Second, I wasn't the one who decided whether something counts or not, so we may need to bring this to the editorial board. I may go through the type pages and check the total percentages. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 18:48, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
:::OK, I'll stop changing them. When I can edit my userpage, I will post my calculations there. [[User:TheSilentHero|TheSilentHero]] ([[User talk:TheSilentHero|talk]]) 18:50, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't know who to ask, so I'll just put it here. Would it be all right if I changed the sentence "counting forms and Mega Evolutions that change typing as different Pokémon" to "not counting alternate forms and Mega Evolutions" to make it more clear? [[User:TheSilentHero|TheSilentHero]] ([[User talk:TheSilentHero|talk]]) 13:55, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
:Please direct that question to a higher ranking staff member, preferably of the {{bp|Editorial Board}}. As a Junior Admin (and a newly admitted one), it's not my job to decide what counts and what does not. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:08, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

== Apologies..... ==

Sorry for that, i get a bit riled when people I don't know mdify my web pages, and I am a bit of a neat freak, but I will leave those sections be, so moving on do you what I a new user can do to imporve Bulbapedia and how, because I would like to contribute but I already ballsed up a bit on the Poke Ball Factory page... [[User:Zallaraxium|Zallaraxium]] ([[User talk:Zallaraxium|talk]]) 20:19, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
:No problem. We are bound to make mistakes sometimes. Even I have done things that I regret. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 20:42, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
:: So moving, what can I do to improve Bulbapedia and how? [[User:Zallaraxium|Zallaraxium]] ([[User talk:Zallaraxium|talk]]) 20:53, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
:::There are a lot of things that you can do. There are many pages needing more information, some tables may need filling in, some pages needing images (can upload images through the Bulbagarden Archives), and so forth. Be sure to make good quality edits, and I'm sure you can help improve this wiki. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 21:25, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay like this?--[[User:JasonL|JasonL]] ([[User talk:JasonL|talk]])
:That looks a lot better. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 01:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

== Double-check a French species? ==

I grabbed species from the other language wikis that I could, and I ran into an odd difference in French in one case. The French wiki says "Uniflore" for [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Flab%C3%A9b%C3%A9 Flabebe's] species, but "Uniflor" for [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Floette Floette's]. Could you check if they are in fact different, or if one of those is a typo? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:05, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
:Checked my game, and they both have Uniflore as their species, so the one they have for Floette is a typo. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 03:36, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
::Cool. Also, when I compared what you'd entered to what the French wiki had, I found a few more discrepancies. Some it seemed safe to decide in favor of the French wiki based on online French-English resources, but some I'm just not confident enough about to summarily judge. If you could check if any of the below were typos on the French wiki too, that'd be a big help. (Right now, I've used what the French wiki said.)
::*You wrote "''Écurélec''" for Pachirisu, but the French wiki has [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Pachirisu Ecurélec].
::*You wrote "''Évolutif''" for Eevee, but the French wiki has [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Évoli Évolution].
::*You wrote "''Multiplié''" for Reuniclus, but the French wiki has [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Symbios Multiplé].
::*You wrote "''Mineral''" for Boldore, but the French wiki has [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Géolithe Minerai].
::*You wrote "''Maternal''" for Kangaskhan, but the French wiki has [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Kangourex Maternel].
::*You wrote "''Vénépic''" for the Nidorans, but the French wiki has [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Nidoran♀ Venepic].
::*You wrote "''Arcenciel''" for the Ho-Oh, but the French wiki has [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Ho-Oh Arc-en-ciel].
::*You wrote "''Espace''" for the Palkia, but the French wiki has [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Palkia Spatial].
::[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:43, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
:::According to my game, which I used to fill in the table, what I put for Kangaskhan's and Boldore's were incorrect, and it is indeed Maternel and Minerai, respectively. What they have for the others that you listed are incorrect. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 12:57, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

== Not super important but ==

I'm checking for any changes in the spelling of abilities and there's a French one I don't trust, so I was wondering if you could help? On the French Pokémon website, Bronzor's two abilities are listed as Lévitation and Ignifugé (Heatproof). Since it seems the only difference between what we and everyone else has vs the official website is the é (Ignifuge vs Ignifugé), you wouldn't happen to have a Bronzor/zong in XY with that ability, would you? [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 12:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
:According to my game, both Lévitation and Ignifugé are correct spellings. One Friend Safari that I have access to has Bronzong, so I could hunt one down if needed. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:09, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
::Nope, that will do. Thank you very much! :3 [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 14:16, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

== Berry fields numbers ==

Hi! If you think small numbers should be spelled out, perhaps you would consider contributing to the [[Bulbapedia talk:Manual of style#Spelling/numerals for numbers|discussion]] I started. Alternatively, if you hadn't given it much consideration previously, perhaps my comments there can provide some food for thought.

Besides that, though, since you placed yourself in the middle of a matter I'm somewhat invested in, perhaps I could ask you to make sure staff are aware of my question (if they are not)? I am perpetually anxious about what matters have caught staff attention, and even though I've only just previously added a plea to my discussion on the Manual of Style's talk page, I hope you'll forgive me for attempting a more direct entreaty to you as well. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:40, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
:Well, I did say usually (they are never spelled out in route numbers, when there's multiples of an item, or if there's a numeric range). I will look into your discussion, though. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 11:30, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
::We decided your edit was right due to consistency, so it's changed back. Sorry for the inconvenience. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 00:49, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
:::I very much appreciate your comment in the discussion and the resolution. Thank you very much. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:53, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

== How is the MLP reference unintentional? ==

Just so you know, I started a discussion on the MLP reference on [[Talk:List of references to Pokémon in popular culture#Put My Little Pony Back in!]]. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 04:16, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:Just because Twilight Sparkle flared up in that manner does not necessarily mean Rapidash. Sometimes fictional characters are seen "on fire" when they're angry. That's why it's not listed. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 12:39, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::I know some cartoon characters can flare up when they are angry. {{an|May}} did that once. However, it was the way she flares up and the number of other references in the show that makes me think it was intentional. They couldn't use a Human Torch reference instead? Or just give her a fire aura? Or even drop the anger as it wasn't important to the plot? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 13:30, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:::TS's flareup was never mentioned afterwards, so it's simply an effect. May is another story, as the flame effect was mentioned by another character (iirc, she was called a Fire type). For now, I may ask a higher level sysop about their opinion on the matter. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 13:59, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::::Can't we continue this discussion on the popular culture talkpage? I only came to you to make sure you came to that talkpage because I wasn't sure if it was on your watchlist. And while Twilight's Rapidash look was never mentioned afterwards, the other ponies looked scared and you can see the lighting reflected on them. And Twilight looked scorched when she calmed down. So there was some kind of reaction from their faces. And when it's simply an effect, that was a JOKE! A JOKE! And do you know what sometimes happens in jokes on TV? References to other properties. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 15:42, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::For now, staff will be discussing the matter, according to the reply PM97 sent me after I emailed him. When we give the okay, we can add it back. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:54, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::Nopony is replying anymore. I made a whole list of reasons why it must be a references in [[Talk:List of references to Pokémon in popular culture#Put My Little Pony Back in!]]. Sure PM said we're not going to count it as a reference, but since then, I've posted new evidence, plus a whole list of evidence. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 21:27, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::::If we are not counting it, then '''we are not counting it''', end of story. For now, unless if you can provide a director's cut or something like it that verifies that there is indeed a reference in that scene, please refrain from trying to add fluff to your argument. A lot of us are tired of this carrying on, myself included. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 02:07, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, fine. Just tell me how to convert that thumbnail with a caption to a photobucket image. The image's deletion would mess up my comment unless it's from photobucket. The one comparing three images should be easy, but the one thumbnail with the caption of Twilight ranting about how obvious she is? How do I do that with photobucket? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 04:50, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
{{indent}}It only works for images uploaded into the Archives, so it's impossible to do that for Photobucket images. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 12:55, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
:Then my comment will be screwed... I'll look harder for evidence that isn't fan reactions. In the meantime, tell Pinkie Pie it's my birthday! (kidding about Pinkie, but today is July 6, which really is my birthday). [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 14:01, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
::Is it smart for a company to admit they ripped off something? It might be hard to find an official source for that reason. Do all the other references on the page have an official source? Did the most blatant references need a source? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 14:51, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
:::So if the admins don't want to admit it as a reference and there is no way to give captions to photobucket images, what are we going to do with the Twilight Rapidash image? Are we going to delete it and mess up one of my talkpage comments? Are we going to keep it and let people host the archives for their non-Pokemon images for talk page jokes? Are we going to wait for any further decision? My use of the image for a joke seems to put us at a stalemate. I won't do that again. But we still need to think about what we're going to do. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 15:42, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
::::For that, I may ask an archives staff member concerning the fate of that image, because I am not sure myself. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 16:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
<div class="thumb tright"><div class="thumbinner" style="width:200x116px;">http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y305/SeanWheeler/8936643c-a38d-41fc-949d-5a6dd8a41d2a_zps24d7d761.png <div class="thumbcaption" style="width:200px;">This is a photobucket image in a thumbnail.</div></div></div>
So on Smash Wiki, I came across the template that lets you put two images in one thumbnail. So I tested the coding on my photobucket version of the Twilight Rapidash image. It seems to work. I replaced both instances of Twilight Rapidash with the photobucket version of her. So now it's safe to delete the image from the archives without messing up my comments. Although I still believe that was an obvious reference. But if I ever meet someone from Hasbro, I am going to ask them about this reference. And that won't be likely until I do a crossover between Flying Boy and My Little Pony. Unless you know how to contact them? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 01:15, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::So it is possible. My apologies. Will note that for future reference. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 13:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

== French Vivillon distribution text ==

You [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Wi-Fi_event_Pok%C3%A9mon_distributions_in_Generation_VI&diff=2141749&oldid=2141718 added] the French distribution text for Fancy Pattern Vivillon, but not the positions of the line breaks. Do you have access to this information? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:08, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
:I do have my game's language set to French, so I was able to add it firsthand. As for the line breaks, I admit that I have forgot to include them, and since I already got the Fancy Vivillon, I will try and find footage of it. Fortunately, it doesn't take too long, so I will add them in right away. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 17:39, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

== Battle Effects In Options Page. ==

I noticed that somebody added the fact that in Generation I, regardless of whether or not battle efefcts are on/off they are displayed in the champion battle against the rival; and I have noticed that before when I played Generation I, but I have cleaned up the section and made it look more presentable but should I leave it there for now? [[User:Zallaraxium|Zallaraxium]] ([[User talk:Zallaraxium|talk]]) 21:29, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
:As I don't have access to a Generation I game, I do not have an opinion on the matter. I think we may leave it in for now. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 23:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

== 3D models ==

Could you explain why there aren't any 3D models from X & Y? [[User:Ellis99|Ellis99]] ([[User talk:Ellis99|talk]]) 16:37, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
:We are trying to gather the 3D models ourselves (as in, without copying from other sites). Eventually we will have them gathered and uploaded, though it will take some time. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 18:05, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

== Contest combos. ==

Appeal and jam of Thunder Wave changed (from 2/1 to 1/3 IIRC) in ORAS, so that complicates things further than just adding new moves. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 21:28, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
:Yeah, sure does. I'll keep an eye out. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 01:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

== Dub titles ==

Hey Berrenta. I think it's best to wait a little longer with the dub titles, because of what Adyniz said [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f228/official-pokemon-series-xy-dub-title-announcement-thread-156170/index6.html#post5340049 here]. I also asked Pikachu65 where he got the titles from, and he thinks it's also best to wait for now. ☼ Blazing[[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 15:33, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
:My apologies. Will go ahead and hold off for now. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

==Minor Super Smash Bros. update==
On the page for the new Super Smash Bros. game regarding Bowser Jr. I was thinking that an invisible note should be put in on how his alternate skins are based around the 7 Koopalings only because of the minor issue that this case has to do with separate characters similar to how the Wii Fit Trainer skins are based on both Male and Female variants. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 17:46, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
:Will go ahead and add the note. Thanks for the reminder. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 18:44, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
::And done. However, I decided to list the alts in sub bullets, then used tooltips to indicate that they are alts, in case someone wants to visit their pages. Did the same for Olimar, as he has the Alph alt. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 18:55, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks. While I may have experience with Mario, I have no interest in Pikman. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 19:37, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
For Greninja it's Final Smash's name does not have a proper English translation yet which is why I ignored doing it on the update for the [[Final Smash]] page. Also I was able to use game footage via Youtube to help with Mega Charizard X's description which I at least want you to know since it was not a simple as Mega Lucario. On another note I was thinking when Charizard receives his own page for the Super Smash Bros. series since it appeared in a every game it would be good to document with a link to Pokémon Trainer's page in the case of Brawl. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 21:22, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
:I am aware that it's not given an English name yet, but when that's the case, we could use the Japanese name as a placeholder, like what we usually do for a lot of Bulbapedia pages covering characters and locations in the Pokémon media that don't have dub names yet. As for Charizard, there is a page being prepared in the userspace for his appearances in Smash. Rest assured, his Brawl appearance mentions and links to Pokémon Trainer. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 22:25, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Another thing I'd like to bring up with you first regarding trivia potential is that for the new Super Smash Bros. game, much like the original Super Smash Bros., Jigglypuff is the only unlockable character. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 00:19, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
:That trivia point may not work that well; if the SSB4 character roster gets rearranged to the style the other games' pages implement, the point could be implied by simply looking at the list. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 13:58, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

==Uploading Pictures==

I know this probably gets asked a lot, but I can't find an answer anywhere.. I have some pictures I want to upload(the one I'm trying to upload right now is specifically for [[Zero Isle Center]]), and I can't. I tried this probably a month or two ago and found out I needed to be autoconfirmed, and a few days ago I found out that I am now autoconfirmed. Now when I try to upload it tells me "You do not have permission to create new pages." According to the FAQ, I need to be autoconfirmed to upload pictures, and that's it. Am I missing something? I already asked on the forums and got no replies.. so I'd really appreciate it if you can help me. Sorry if you get asked this a lot! [[User:Zichqec|Zichqec]] ([[User talk:Zichqec|talk]]) 18:24, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
:You may need to ask someone else, preferably a Bulbagarden Archives staff member. As I don't upload images a lot, I cannot answer your question. Sorry. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 23:50, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
::Alright. I'll keep looking. Thanks. [[User:Zichqec|Zichqec]] ([[User talk:Zichqec|talk]]) 02:06, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

== Can't Edit my User page. ==

Hi, Berrenta! I'll ask something.. why can't I edit it? I already contributed to several articles in the mainspace. Thanks for reading! {{unsigned|Phiraptor28}}
:You need to be autoconfirmed to create/edit your userpage. I am not allowed to tell you the exact requirements; only thing I can tell you is that you have to have a certain amount of mainspace edits and have the account for a certain length of time. Oh, and be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 20:31, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

==Version-exclusive Pokémon page==
Right now a section for ORAS has not been set up yet on that page. I think if a special coding for it were created then I can set up it's own subsection for Gen. VI. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 21:41, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
:Sorry for the late reply. I was going to set it up when I had the chance, but now I noticed it has been added recently. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 17:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

== Smogon tiers ==

I've also noticed there is tag for "PU" (and it has been mentioned few times during tier shifts; doesn't stand for anything, apparently). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 16:04, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
:I'll see about the PU tag. Once I gather up info, I may add it in. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 17:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
::And a quick Google search pointed out that it stands for "Partially Used". I'll make a note of it if it's not there already. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 17:36, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
:::There seems to be conflicts in sources. Partially used was from one source, while others did not denote what the abbreviation meant, or they simply speculated. It will need further research... [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 17:47, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

== OR/AS Locations ==

Yeah, I agree they're needed, and I've been noticing Lady Ariel going around back-filling some behind me; I'm working on various TM lists and I therefore get notifications about the edits. It might be useful to see from her contributions which ones she has not yet filled in, and I also might go around and do more of that in the future as well. Should be easy going straight from the Route pages as well, so I might look into some locations. Might be even easier than just doing TM/HM lists. LOL [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 00:56, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
:Yep, pretty much. XD [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 01:19, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
::I realized I already did half the job of compiling this information when I processed data for ORAS encounter rates. So I tweaked that and got me a list of locations for each Pokemon. It's here: {{redlink|User:Tiddlywinks/ORAS Pokemon locations}}. I'll work on it somewhat (already have), but it's a minor beast, so I'd certainly welcome any help. When we're done, I'll ask for it to be deleted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:52, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== about the usertags... ==

magic school bus? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 18:25, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

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==Awards==
Ok.... So we're going to get some award on how we contribute to the wiki? That is rank. --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|''Fire'']] 06:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:And file. Hey, it was done before: look at TC and TCOTM. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:48, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::Except this is rewarding actual quality while those are just an indication of quantity. Very nice. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 07:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Users are going to start asking "Am I close?" It's going to get really lengthy...speaking of which...moi? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey! I thought I got the Golden Slowpoke Award!!! '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 13:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:The Slowpoke's a joke award. And you're not stupid enough to make something deserving of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:16, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

== Golden Porygon Award ==

Might I suggest the Golden Porygon Award for best new template?--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 00:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:That might work sometimes, but I think it wouldn't be useful all the time since we don't really ''need'' new templates very often. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 05:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
::For months where we get a worthy template?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe not "The user who made the best template". But perhaps more along the lines of "The user who contributed most to templates over the past month". (Perhaps even in both creation and setting them up within articles).--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 14:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Things like that tend to get Golden, Silver, or Bronze bulbas. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 02:41, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Golden Shaymin Award ==

Starting this month can we have a Golden Shaymin Award.It will be awarded for be very Gratitude to Others.[[User:DAWN FAN|Dawn's No.1 Fan,]] 14:46, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:Ehhhhh, not really. That may help, but... seems kinda more just an ego-stroaking... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:15, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
::It might be a good idea. With the Code of Conduct and all. --[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
:::But did the user benefit Bulbapedia significantly? We wanna focus on edits, not how much they made the other users feel. I agree with TTE. It's ego-stroaking. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 08:29, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
::::True. True. --[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

== Golden Luvdisc Award ==

Perhaps an award for edits made to the Shipping section? I know it's not mainspace, but still. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Also, the Shiny Luvdisc is already golden so we won't have to edit it lol. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
:True, but to remain consistent, it probably needs to have those random sparkly thingies.--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 21:47, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
::It sounds like a good idea.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 01:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::It was said on AIM that it wasn't wanted because not enough edts are made to the Shipping space and the award would go to {{u|ArcToraphim|one user}} every month. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Hm.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 04:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== Golden Arceus award ==

How`s about a Golden Arceus award.It`s for the Grandest page on Bulbapedia. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|DAWN FAN}} ([[User talk:DAWN FAN|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DAWN FAN|contribs]]){{ #if: at 22:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC) | at 22:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC) |}}''
:That gets rewarded for the featured article. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== January 09 ==

Who won January ? [[Image:448.png|50px]]
[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 18:11, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[[Image:448.png|50px]]
:Everyone shall see when they are awarded & the page is updated. Please be patient. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 18:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I never won an BulbaAward.[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 00:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

:You have to be a good contributor and made a GREAT number of edits on the respeive month. Or you can do the same thing in a speific area. Or if you made a crappy artilce welll hey you can at least get the Gloden Slowpoke :D.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 01:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:: *cries due to no award* [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Golden Ditton Award ==

Golden Ditto Award for best Custom Sprite?--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 01:23, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ...........oh im sorry you were serious. uh, no. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:56, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

::See above. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 02:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== Kapow! ==

There should be a "award" for the user who is the rudest throughout the entire month. If we have the golden slowpoke.....[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Mock Me]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]] 01:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:It would go the way of the Golden Luvdisc...--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']]01:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::Wait, you mean like the Rusty Bulbasaur Award? :P '''~ [[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 01:48, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I think it would be the Golden Mankey or something.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Or maybe a Croagunk...[[User:Garrison12795|Garr]][[Ludicolo (Pokémon)|ison]][[User talk:Garrison12795|12795]] 01:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Golden Mankey.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Mock Me]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]] 02:04, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Darn, I lost. [[User:Garrison12795|Garr]][[Ludicolo (Pokémon)|ison]][[User talk:Garrison12795|12795]] 02:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

::::::Primeape would be better than Mankey, IMO. [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 20:00, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Well I guess the fear here would be that someone would go out of their way to try and win this award, which generally goes against the Code of Conduct. Although I like the idea of a Rusty Bulbasaur.... Besides, we already have blocking as an "award" for being a complete pain in the proverbial. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Feb? ==

Noone won anything in February? March is coming to a close with only 12 days to go to the 31st and still no winners?--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 05:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
:It was probably skipped because it was a short month. OR they're planning to combine February with March. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
::I cant wait to see who the winners are. *.* --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 02:09, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::you guys all suck, so, you all lose. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::ok, ok, weve been really busy with Overgrow AND Pt, so, we didnt entirely forget. bear with us. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Aiming for the Slowpoke! ==

Can I make a horrible new page on purpose to get the Golden Slowpoke on purpose? --I [[User:HideInTheDark|hide in the dark]]! 02:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
:No. No you can't. It's not something you try to win. And if you do try, and we know it (and we do now, thanks), you'll get a nice little block. Don't disrupt the pedia D: — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== Golden Slowpoke ==

A joke award though it may be, why isn't there a template for it along with the others, so people can put that in with their user bars? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Our own awards ==

Are we allowed to have our own awards (i.e. Chocolate Bulbasaur) if we do not try to make it seem like an official award? --[[User:GreenGyarados|♫Green]][[Gyarados (Pokémon)|♫ギャラドス♫]][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|Talk♫]] 14:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

== Hope this isn't too much ==

Is there a possibility the sprites of the Kanto/Johto Pokémon could be upgraded to their HGSS sprites?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:33, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:That was on the cards, actually. We do plan to get to that. Expect to see them by the next awards. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Missed a spot ==

What about the Golden Mudkip? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 21:51, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:It was changed to the Golden Porygon...--[[User:GreenGyarados|♫Green]][[Gyarados (Pokémon)|♫ギャラドス♫]][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|Talk♫]] 21:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
::The top part of the page states it's phased out. Edit conflict No, Mudkip was left out before Porygon was even introduced. They should not be related. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:54, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It was decided the the GoldKip wasn't really necessary. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 21:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Darnit. I was hoping I'd get it, because I do add trivia all the time, and surely one of them was interesting. Thanks anyway. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 21:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::I meant edit-wise.--[[User:GreenGyarados|♫Green]][[Gyarados (Pokémon)|♫ギャラドス♫]][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|Talk♫]] 22:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

==Question==
Who's Darkfire Taimatsu? Apparently, this user is not even registered... I think you guys mean DarkfireTaimatsu... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I fixed it. Should be the right user now. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 03:16, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

== Uh ==

OK, so I ran this unofficial userspace award, the Golden Missingno. award, for best contributions to Glitch Pokémon articles, and it came to my attention that it is no longer allowed, as per the userspace policy. Any chance that the Golden Missingno. could instead be made into an official award? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:11, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:I believe that would be a "no"... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:41, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::That's it? No? No discussion, no debating, just no? This was a serious suggestion, you know. I mean, if there are awards for best service to the archives, the anime articles, the manga articles, and the games articles, why not the Glitch Pokémon articles? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 05:17, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Because we cannot make awards that specific. Pokemon can be divided into games, TCG, anime, manga, and {{tt|merchandise|though I'm against there being an award for merch}}. Glitch Pokemon are just a part of games. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 05:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'd go further to split merch into a category called "meta" and incorporate the Shipping, Fandom, Music, Globe and Merch Projects... But what Z says is largely right. We have awards for the four main sections of Pokémon Canon, which means that if anyone made decent edits to the glitch section they'd end up with the Mew or one of the Saurs. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:57, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh, well, alright then. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 06:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Also, just as an extra note. The parts of the "meta" category are generally based off the main 4 (Games, Anime, Manga, & TCG) which means that they're certainly considered when the awards for those four are in discussion. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 06:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

==Quarterly?==
This page hasn't been updated for 9 months (not counting CoolPikachu!'s relink). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:02, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:We know. Watch this space. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:22, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Move it? ==

Hey admins, don't you think this page should be '''moved''' to "Bulbapedia Awards" or "Bulbagarden Awards" or something like that? The name ''Golden Bulbasaur Award'' doesn't make a proper sense because it's not just about the Golden Bulbasaur Award, it's about all the awards related to entire Bulba stuff. What do you think? ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 06:39, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
:Nope. GBA is the flagship award. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

== Did I earn the Crystal Bulbasaur Award? ==

I just want to know before I brazenly add it to my page. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 21:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
:Not really. It's just to thank the whole community for the work they've done. Please don't put it on your userpage. :) —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:54, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==

Is it just me, or do none of the award images display? I've tried refreshing, purging, etc., if I try going directly to any of the images Firefox says they can't be displayed due to errors, and despite being larger than the Gen IV sprites, the filesizes are a third of the Gen IV sizes. Is it just me or don't they display for others too? [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 07:59, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:Well, I've no problem, they're working absolutely fine. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 09:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
::Eh, I guess it's just my Firefox then. Thanks. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:54, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

== Golden Chatot? ==
I don't make many edits to the music sections but it sounds like a good idea, seen as Chatot is even on the logo [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 17:13, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:The way the current system is set up is fine. There are three main awards, plus an award for each of the main canons (games/anime/manga/tcg), plus a few extras. Not every section warrants an award. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:59, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

==A question about the Eevee==
How new is new? Do they have to have joined within that month, or less than a year ago, or any other space of time that someone might think of? [[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 18:58, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
:I think it's joined since the last award ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:09, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
::Ok, thanks, I think that needs to be put in the article somewhere--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 19:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

==Welcomer Award==
( Just Joking Around)
: Is there a Award for the user who [[Template:Welcome|Welcome]]d a lot of Users recently--[[User:Clinton Jai|Jaison]] [[User talk:Clinton Jai|Clinton]] [[Special:Contributions/Clinton Jai|Caste]][[User:Clinton Jai/Shadow Gym|lino]] 10:16, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

== Still? ==

Are these still being given out? [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 18:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

== bullies ==

the golden slowpoke is offensive! meanies!! --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 00:52, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

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==a shiny hunting tip==

I believe it is a good idea to list the poke balls you should use and places to go without moves like teleport, explosion, ect. {{unsigned|Natnew}}

== Helpful hint for Pokemon XY ==

Use a Pokemon that has the move of Sweet scent to attract hordes.
These Pokemon are:
Oddish - Route 6
Illumise - Route 7
Combee - Route 4

--[[User:SpilledTea|SpilledTea]] ([[User talk:SpilledTea|talk]]) 01:03, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
:Much as I appreciate the hint, I kinda already knew this. To get an idea of how long I knew this for, I got a level 13 Illumise off Wonder Trade I started carrying with me purely for Sweet Scent usage. She is now level 100. I almost never used her in battle, that's 99% Exp. Share right there. I've EV trained Pokémon and gotten multiple Shinies by Sweet Scenting to attract hordes. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 03:27, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

== unsigned ==

i have seen some comments or whatever by you that were unsigned. please sign them. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 01:37, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:His signature ''is'' the unsigned comment. He set his signature to look like that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC
::WAT? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 01:31, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I did it some time ago pretty much for the lulz. You can tell it from actual unsigned templates by the presence of a timestamp, like so; - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:24, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::oh. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 00:50, 8 February 2015 (UTC)