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Talk:Reflect Type (move)

2017-05-30T02:45:54Z

VMan 2002: /* RKS System */ fixed spelling

==RKS System==
The article says the move fails when the opponent has the ability {{a|Multitype}}.Does the move fail when the opponent has {{a|RKS System}}?
[[User:VMan 2002|VMan 2002]] ([[User talk:VMan 2002|talk]]) 02:45, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

==Changing Into The Opponents Type==

Does this include dual typed pokemon?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 13:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== So let me get this straight... ==

This move changes the user's type or types to match the foe's type or types. In other words, it functions exactly as {{m|Conversion}} did in Generation I. If this is right, shouldn't it be noted somewhere on the article? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== Mew? ==

Why is Mew listed as learning the move by leveling if the level is unknown/doesn't exist? Also, it seems like until a level is put there, a note of why the level is "--" should be made. [[User:DwarfWoot|DwarfWoot]] 16:16, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
:Because Mew learns the move at level 1. It's like that for all Pokemon that learn a move at level 1. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:07, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Burn Up interaction ==

[http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokemon-sun-moon-battle-mechanics-research.3586701/page-59#post-7157225 This] indicates that using Reflect Type on a Burned Up pure Fire type affected by Forest's Curse will have the user become Normal/Grass. If someone's faster than me, can they double check it? By extension, has someone already verified that using it on a Fire/<something> type that has used Burn Up, it will become <something>-type (and not Normal/<something>)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:17, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
: Hello. I had already confirmed that using it on Fire/something just becomes a something type not normal/something. I've also just confirmed what smogon found, it becomes Normal/Grass in this situation. ETA: The grass typing on the reflected type pokemon is listed as a forest curse info box in the battle summary. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - literally it doesn't stand for anything]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 10:47, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks. I didn't know you had also used Reflect Type on those as well. So I guess there's evidence that Burned Up Fire types technically/internally become Normal-type, then. Again, thanks for all your tests! (And I hope you don't mind if I try to reword things a little in order to account for all your findings.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:40, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
:::My guess is that Normal is just the fallback default type, which gets used because Reflect Type didn't fail, but Forest's Curse doesn't count towards its main types. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:50, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
::::While I certainly don't think so, I would be trying to avoid any assumption—incl. "Burned Up pure Fire types become Normal (..)"—on mainspace pages anyway. I think we can do without. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:21, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}}I have nothing with Burn Up so I can't test this until Saturday when Cyndaquil becomes available via Island Scan, so I'm suggesting it here in case someone wants to do it first. Since it's apparently been confirmed that pure Fire-types become typeless with Burn Up, I think it's worth testing the effectiveness of Fighting-type and Ghost-type moves on a Pokemon that has used Burn Up and is affected by Forest's Curse, to see whether the displayed "Normal/Grass" is ''really'' Normal/Grass or if the game is using the Normal type graphic as a placeholder for (no type)/Grass. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:31, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
:My understanding is that it is actually <blank>+"Grass added" message by Reflect Type's target, but Normal+"Grass added" by its user afterwards (and that the target will be hit by Ghost-type attacks, while the user will be unaffected, so that the display is "correct" either way). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:44, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

== Snatch ==
I just tested using {{m|Snatch}} against {{m|Reflect Type}} in Sun and Moon, both from an ally in doubles as well as from an opponent, and it didn't work. Could it be done in earlier generations? Is there maybe a bug in Sun and Moon? --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 20:59, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
:I did some testing with White + Black 2 and X + Alpha Sapphire using Snatch with {{m|Camouflage}}, {{m|Conversion}}, {{m|Conversion 2}} and Reflect Type. I found that only two of the four moves were captured by it: Camouflage and Conversion. Conversion 2 and Reflect Type are not Snatchable in any generation. I've accordingly updated Reflect Type's infobox to reflect that (no pun intended). --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 00:03, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Reflect Type (move)

2017-05-30T02:45:14Z

VMan 2002: RKS System

==RKS System==
The article says the move fails when the opponent has the ability {{a|Mutlitype}}.Does the move fail when the opponent has {{a|RKS System}}?
[[User:VMan 2002|VMan 2002]] ([[User talk:VMan 2002|talk]]) 02:45, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

==Changing Into The Opponents Type==

Does this include dual typed pokemon?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 13:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== So let me get this straight... ==

This move changes the user's type or types to match the foe's type or types. In other words, it functions exactly as {{m|Conversion}} did in Generation I. If this is right, shouldn't it be noted somewhere on the article? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== Mew? ==

Why is Mew listed as learning the move by leveling if the level is unknown/doesn't exist? Also, it seems like until a level is put there, a note of why the level is "--" should be made. [[User:DwarfWoot|DwarfWoot]] 16:16, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
:Because Mew learns the move at level 1. It's like that for all Pokemon that learn a move at level 1. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:07, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Burn Up interaction ==

[http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokemon-sun-moon-battle-mechanics-research.3586701/page-59#post-7157225 This] indicates that using Reflect Type on a Burned Up pure Fire type affected by Forest's Curse will have the user become Normal/Grass. If someone's faster than me, can they double check it? By extension, has someone already verified that using it on a Fire/<something> type that has used Burn Up, it will become <something>-type (and not Normal/<something>)? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:17, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
: Hello. I had already confirmed that using it on Fire/something just becomes a something type not normal/something. I've also just confirmed what smogon found, it becomes Normal/Grass in this situation. ETA: The grass typing on the reflected type pokemon is listed as a forest curse info box in the battle summary. [[User:Jmvb|JMVB - literally it doesn't stand for anything]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 10:47, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks. I didn't know you had also used Reflect Type on those as well. So I guess there's evidence that Burned Up Fire types technically/internally become Normal-type, then. Again, thanks for all your tests! (And I hope you don't mind if I try to reword things a little in order to account for all your findings.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:40, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
:::My guess is that Normal is just the fallback default type, which gets used because Reflect Type didn't fail, but Forest's Curse doesn't count towards its main types. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:50, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
::::While I certainly don't think so, I would be trying to avoid any assumption—incl. "Burned Up pure Fire types become Normal (..)"—on mainspace pages anyway. I think we can do without. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:21, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}}I have nothing with Burn Up so I can't test this until Saturday when Cyndaquil becomes available via Island Scan, so I'm suggesting it here in case someone wants to do it first. Since it's apparently been confirmed that pure Fire-types become typeless with Burn Up, I think it's worth testing the effectiveness of Fighting-type and Ghost-type moves on a Pokemon that has used Burn Up and is affected by Forest's Curse, to see whether the displayed "Normal/Grass" is ''really'' Normal/Grass or if the game is using the Normal type graphic as a placeholder for (no type)/Grass. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:31, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
:My understanding is that it is actually <blank>+"Grass added" message by Reflect Type's target, but Normal+"Grass added" by its user afterwards (and that the target will be hit by Ghost-type attacks, while the user will be unaffected, so that the display is "correct" either way). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:44, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

== Snatch ==
I just tested using {{m|Snatch}} against {{m|Reflect Type}} in Sun and Moon, both from an ally in doubles as well as from an opponent, and it didn't work. Could it be done in earlier generations? Is there maybe a bug in Sun and Moon? --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 20:59, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
:I did some testing with White + Black 2 and X + Alpha Sapphire using Snatch with {{m|Camouflage}}, {{m|Conversion}}, {{m|Conversion 2}} and Reflect Type. I found that only two of the four moves were captured by it: Camouflage and Conversion. Conversion 2 and Reflect Type are not Snatchable in any generation. I've accordingly updated Reflect Type's infobox to reflect that (no pun intended). --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] ([[User talk:GuyPerfect|talk]]) 00:03, 28 March 2017 (UTC)