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Talk:Pokémon X and Y

2013-01-11T00:25:47Z

Tyeforce: /* Titles missing "Version"? */

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== Titles missing "Version"? ==
Do the titles include "version" this time? I'm not seeing it on the official site or the trailer. I think they're just called Pokemon X and Pokemon Y now. [[User:Hheebo|Hheebo]] ([[User talk:Hheebo|talk]]) 14:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon X and Y "Versions"? ==

Is it right to be calling them Pokemon X Version and Pokemon Y version? Unlike previous games Nintendo hasn't used the word "version" when referring to them by name, just calling them Pokemon X and Pokemon Y rather than, to use the most recent example, "Pokemon Black Version 2" and "Pokemon White Version 2". The logos don't contain the word "version" either. I think they should simply be referred to as Pokemon X and Y.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Hheebo. Delete if necessary.
[[User:NFreak007|NFreak007]] ([[User talk:NFreak007|talk]]) 14:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

:I second this. "Versions" hasn't been mentioned at all, nor are contained in the logos. If "Versions" were in the title, there's usually a habit of saying it every time the game title comes up. It's misleading to list the article as it being called "X and Y ''Versions''" if there really isn't any facts backing that up. --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 16:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thirded. It should be [[Pokémon X and Y]], as I stated on [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2]]'s trivia section. Please rename this page and change this article and the Generation VI one accordingly. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 17:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Fourthed. Every other main series entry has had "version" on it, this is different in all languages. This should be reflected in the title of the page. {{unsigned|NP Chilla}}
::::[http://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PokemonXY8-1024x640.jpg Here]. Enjoy. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 18:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::That seems to be a screenshot from Nintendo3DS's video. The official Pokémon channel uploaded the same trailer, and they don't use the word Version, and they're strict with that word, putting it in all Black Version 1 and White Version 1 videos. [[User:ToastUltimatum|'''Toast''']][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|'''Ultimatum''']] 19:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::The same video is also on Pokemon.com, without the word "Version." I fifth the notion that it should be struck from here, because it doesn't appear to be in any official media. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 02:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I think it would be a good idea to move it to [[Pokémon X and Y]], 'cause it doesn't even say the name "version" in the title. In previous games, the official sources have said "Pokémon [title] Version" only if it has the word "version in the logo. These games are different, they don't have "version" in the title at all, so I really wouldn't see any reason to have it titled "Pokémon X and Y Versions".—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 10:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I would like to agree with the page move as well, but I really can't say until there is more usage of just "Pokemon X and Y" an not "Pokemon X version and Pokemon Y version". I am undecided since I've seen Pokémon Direct recordings with the word "version" in it (like in the picture posted by Masatoshi), but everything else points to just calling it [[Pokémon X and Y]]. - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 23:38, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:The official press release repeatedly lists the trademarked titles as ''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' and never uses the term "Version." Excerpt: "''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' will be the blueprint for an exciting array of new animation, Pokémon TCG, and toys debuting around the world."
:In all of their press releases for other games in the series they use "Version," for example this excerpt from the B2W2 press release: "The successors to the acclaimed ''Pokémon Black Version'' and ''Pokémon White Version'' games, ''Pokémon Black Version 2'' and ''Pokémon White Version 2''..."
:So it seems pretty obvious that it should be moved to "Pokémon X and Y."[[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] ([[User talk:AmaranthSparrow|talk]]) 21:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Heck, even Pokémon.com reads "''An all-new 3D Pokémon adventure packed with never-before-seen Pokémon will launch worldwide in October 2013. '''Pokémon X''' and '''Pokémon Y''' will present a new generation of Pokémon, and introduce players to an exciting new adventure in a breathtaking 3D world.''" Could an admin PLEASE hurry up and move the name of this page? [[User:ToastUltimatum|'''Toast''']][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|'''Ultimatum''']] 23:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::By moving the page, not only would {{template|v}}, {{template|2v}}, {{template|2v2}}, and {{template|game}} have to be edited (besides the fact that they are all massively used) but [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_and_Y_Versions&limit=500 every single page] that links here would also have to be edited. There's also {{template|PokémonInfobox}}, which is only used on '''over 650 pages'''. Templates on the Archives would also have to be changed. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 23:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::I'm against moving this page, at the very least until further information is available. "Version" is part of what separates the main series for games like Stadium, XD, and the like. Furthermore, there is at least some evidence that these games are still titled "X Version" and "Y Version" as seen in the picture Masa posted. It seems to me like the company is merely advertising the game in this manner because this is how the fandom always refers to the games, that is, without the word "version". Furthermore, this is probably simpler since it saves them the trouble of having to write "version" in several different languages all at once (remember, this is getting an instant worldwide release, and "Pokemon" is pretty universal while "version" isn't). We should at least wait a while before moving the page, and then having to move it back again. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 23:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Just to clarify, Masatoshi's image wasn't official; the official trailer doesn't have that banner on it, nor refers to them at all as having "Versions". As for the templates, they don't appear hard to edit in a change if you use "if switches". --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 00:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::Just to clarify, "#if:" switches work differently than "#switch:"es. Don't worry though, it'll only cause the servers to fail like when {{template|roundy}} used them.--[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::His image was official. [http://www.nintendo.nl/Divers/Nintendo-Direct/Laatstse-Nintendo-Direct/Nintendo-Direct-698557.html This] is official straight from Nintendo's website. It says "version". This is why I am sort of reserving a conclusion and doing a wait and see. - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 02:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:Where? From what I can see, it calls them Polémon X (lol, presumably a typo) and Pokémon Y. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 03:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::'''The video.''' --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Seems more likely to be some sort of mistake, given that the other videos don't feature that and the press release specifically omits the word. Anyway, I have contacted Nintendo regarding the title of the games, and will wait to see what they have to say about it. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 17:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Misc-/Nintendo-Direct/2013/Pokemon-Direct-08-01-2013/Nintendo-Direct-699626.html What about the Nintendo's UK website?] --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

==New region==
In this article it states that the new region is likely based off of France but the [[Generation VI]] page says it draws inspiration from various points within Europe. The pages should be more consistent and more neutral about the subject. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 14:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
* The Nintendo Direct Trailer begins with Pikachu atop the Eiffel Tower. Unova draws from inspirations outside of the strict real world New York; it's not conflicting to say it's both based on France and draws inspiration from the rest of Europe.

== Trivia to be added, I believe... ==

A bit of trivia to be added:
*These are the first main series games to have letters in the title rather than color names.
*The game titles may be named after the X and Y axes of the [[wp:Cartesian coordinate system|Cartesian coordinations]]. ~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 10:04, 8 January, 2013 (UTC)
:Given that the Japanese logos clearly have DNA helixes in them, I think it's safe to say that they were going for genetics. Not coordinates. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 15:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Why not both? --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 15:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Because the Japanese logos have DNA helixes in them so they are standing for genetics, not coordinates. It was made pretty clear by Jo. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 17:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
They're obviously named after the x and y chromosomes, not coordinates. [[User:Munlax|Munlax]] ([[User talk:Munlax|talk]]) 17:14, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Could it not be a double meaning? [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 17:16, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::And what makes you think it's coordinates? For all I know, we could also use algebraic expressions. So far, Jo's bet is the safest. Since it has helixes that resemble a DNA string, it's unlikely to have been based in coordinates. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::It's obviously based on Genetics, but Gamefreak and Nintendo love puns. X axis and Y axis. If the third legendary forms a Z shape, then I think it's safe to say that it's also partially a stealth 3DS pun --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 20:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Why would it be based off coordinates anyway? It makes more sense to have them based off genetics seeming as you breed Pokemon in the game. And no, it has been said numerous times: The Japanese logos have '''DNA''' helixes in them. End of story. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 17:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::That doesn't really discount the other reasoning. You may notice the logo is also in 3D text (which they've never done for a logo before), which would indicate to me that they're going for a double entendre with the titles. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 17:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I thought it was to do with the buttons on the DS and 3DS consoles, shows what I know...[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 20:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
More trivia for your perusal: They'll be the first main series games to be released simultaneously worldwide, and "Pokemon X" was the original name for both Lugia and Pokemon Crystal. '''[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]]''' 22:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I agree about the released simultaneously worldwide as I was planning to suggest that myself. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

==Based off France?==
To suggest the region will 'likely' be based on France seems to be speculation of the sort that the banner of the top forbids, Tokyo also has a structure like the Eiffel Tower. [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 17:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:The streets have an European-like setting; Pikachu spread his message from a location that seemed to be the same as France; that tower looks like the Eiffel Tower and it seems to use gray instead of white and red. While it's not confirmed, it is plausible that the region might be based in France. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:18, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::While it seems plausible, even likely. Isn't it still speculation? And why the entire region, rather than that particular city (I don't recall France having a desert, for example)? Castelia City in Black and White is said to be based off New York, yet the entire region isn't said to be based on the USA. [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 17:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::There's a big difference between the USA and France, the US is a massive country (in terms of size and little would be explored, if not ignoring plenty of cities). I for one think it ''may'' be based in Europe, but that city, along with that picture with the bridge remind me of the {{wp|Palace of Versailles}}. Most people seem to agree it might be based in Europe/France, so for the time being, we'll leave it like this. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Pikachu's pretty clearly shown on the Eiffel Tower, in a country in the general location that everyone expects France to be. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 18:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Regardless it is very blatant '''speculation''', of which this encyclopaedia has clearly warned it's editors of avoiding. Popular agreement is '''NOT''' ''"confirmation by a reliable source"''. What's the point in that rule, if your so keen on breaking it? [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 18:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I do agree that it's speculation right now. It's like when everybody put Kyurem as the third member of the Tao trio before it was confirmed, despite them arguing tooth and nail and out right refusing to allow Giratina to be stated as the third member of the Dragon trio before Platinum came out [[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 20:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Exactly. It's really inconsistent. As an admin, it seems as if Masatoshi is going for a 'do as I say, not as I do'. You can't rule 'no speculation', then allow a piece that you favour, or personally find convincing.
:::::Even if the Eiffel Tower could be considered more than speculation, how do we arrive at the fact the WHOLE region is based on France?.. It's conjecture after conjecture... [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 01:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::In the trailer, Pikachu is seen on top of the Eiffel Tower. Literally. The camera zooms out and shows it in France. Saying the region is based on France is less of speculation, and more of an observation giving readers some idea what the region looks like. Rather than explaining every tiny little detail about the location, we can just blanket sweep it by saying, "It looks a lot like France." But obviously it's NOT France, cause Pokémon regions have almost never been real locations. (Sans Kanto. Kind of.) [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I think it would be a good idea to forbid this from being posted for now until more conclusive proof is gathered by any means from official sources to verify this though it would be a very slim chance that any of this is true. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I should also point out that Junichi Masuda's current Twitter profile picture is him next to the Eiffel Tower and there is at least one message commenting on his trip to France. Possibly a coincidence, though it's hardly an argument against the region being based off France. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 02:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Texas has an Eiffel Tower. Japan has a Statue of Liberty too, but Japan isn't the first place you think of when you think of the Statue of Liberty, is it? Then don't even get me started on Las Vegas. Pikachu is in the real life France in the intro, the girl's attire seems very French to me personally, the Pokémon team went to France for "work related reasons". I don't really see anything pointing it away from France, and I'm done having this discussion. There are more important things to worry about. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:53, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::huh. didn't know france had a desert. that city is obviously based on paris, but i have doubts on the entire region being based on france alone. just my 2cents, i could be wrong, but hey, speculation is speculation ;) [[User:Tarilaan|Tarilaan]] ([[User talk:Tarilaan|talk]]) 11:37, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::Pretty sure there's not a desert full of ancient ruins or mountain ranges in New York City, either, yet they're both in Unova. The game COULD be based in all of Europe, but so far we've only seen evidence of France. Saying the game "seems to be based on France" doesn't exclude the possibility of it also being based on other areas as well, in any case. --[[User:ACDragonMaster|ACDragonMaster]] ([[User talk:ACDragonMaster|talk]]) 02:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

== Region is based in France ==

Besides the obvious Eiffel Tower reference, I found out that the buildings shown are reminiscent of Paris's type (which was forced as an official style there) and additionally, the place Pikachu is giving the conference is Paris.
I'm including the picture for future reference.
[http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/714858374.png?key=25601440&Expires=1357683885&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=cMmYD40-9pvM7rc2~DneFwveDyESiYlke9L7VLrKMgbxx17yzOX7SfaL0oLKZUA~kRH4KcIMGYHdMDnfQ35-hhN50gESVjsub7Jbcpfstq2AhsJnHXQVj36ktl~N5qZLf9cNqzq71xKIMedbWhyydovcNqw3jd~j6ylnFaxcxh4_]
--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 22:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:There's a section discussing that right above this one. Please join that conversation instead of starting a new section for the same thing. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 22:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Except South Korea ==

In the video, they only say "except select countries". --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Pokemon.com just confirmed the names of the mascots: Bambi is called Xerneas and Tweety is called Yveltal. http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ [[User:NP Chilla|NP Chilla]] ([[User talk:NP Chilla|talk]]) 14:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon X and Y

2013-01-11T00:24:16Z

Tyeforce: /* Titles missing "Version"? */

{{forums notice|October 1, 2013}}

== Titles missing "Version"? ==
Do the titles include "version" this time? I'm not seeing it on the official site or the trailer. I think they're just called Pokemon X and Pokemon Y now. [[User:Hheebo|Hheebo]] ([[User talk:Hheebo|talk]]) 14:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:I came here to post the same thing. During the Nintendo Direct, all of the older games were referred to as "Red Version," "HeartGold Version," etc., but Pokémon X and Pokémon Y were never referred to as "X Version" and "Y Version," not only in the Nintendo Direct but in any official media. It looks like they may be dropping the "Version" with these games, and I think "Version" should be removed from the article unless it pops up in an official source. [[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] ([[User talk:Tyeforce|talk]]) 00:24, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon X and Y "Versions"? ==

Is it right to be calling them Pokemon X Version and Pokemon Y version? Unlike previous games Nintendo hasn't used the word "version" when referring to them by name, just calling them Pokemon X and Pokemon Y rather than, to use the most recent example, "Pokemon Black Version 2" and "Pokemon White Version 2". The logos don't contain the word "version" either. I think they should simply be referred to as Pokemon X and Y.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Hheebo. Delete if necessary.
[[User:NFreak007|NFreak007]] ([[User talk:NFreak007|talk]]) 14:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

:I second this. "Versions" hasn't been mentioned at all, nor are contained in the logos. If "Versions" were in the title, there's usually a habit of saying it every time the game title comes up. It's misleading to list the article as it being called "X and Y ''Versions''" if there really isn't any facts backing that up. --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 16:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Thirded. It should be [[Pokémon X and Y]], as I stated on [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2]]'s trivia section. Please rename this page and change this article and the Generation VI one accordingly. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 17:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Fourthed. Every other main series entry has had "version" on it, this is different in all languages. This should be reflected in the title of the page. {{unsigned|NP Chilla}}
::::[http://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PokemonXY8-1024x640.jpg Here]. Enjoy. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 18:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::That seems to be a screenshot from Nintendo3DS's video. The official Pokémon channel uploaded the same trailer, and they don't use the word Version, and they're strict with that word, putting it in all Black Version 1 and White Version 1 videos. [[User:ToastUltimatum|'''Toast''']][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|'''Ultimatum''']] 19:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::The same video is also on Pokemon.com, without the word "Version." I fifth the notion that it should be struck from here, because it doesn't appear to be in any official media. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 02:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I think it would be a good idea to move it to [[Pokémon X and Y]], 'cause it doesn't even say the name "version" in the title. In previous games, the official sources have said "Pokémon [title] Version" only if it has the word "version in the logo. These games are different, they don't have "version" in the title at all, so I really wouldn't see any reason to have it titled "Pokémon X and Y Versions".—[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 10:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I would like to agree with the page move as well, but I really can't say until there is more usage of just "Pokemon X and Y" an not "Pokemon X version and Pokemon Y version". I am undecided since I've seen Pokémon Direct recordings with the word "version" in it (like in the picture posted by Masatoshi), but everything else points to just calling it [[Pokémon X and Y]]. - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 23:38, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:The official press release repeatedly lists the trademarked titles as ''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' and never uses the term "Version." Excerpt: "''Pokémon X'' and ''Pokémon Y'' will be the blueprint for an exciting array of new animation, Pokémon TCG, and toys debuting around the world."
:In all of their press releases for other games in the series they use "Version," for example this excerpt from the B2W2 press release: "The successors to the acclaimed ''Pokémon Black Version'' and ''Pokémon White Version'' games, ''Pokémon Black Version 2'' and ''Pokémon White Version 2''..."
:So it seems pretty obvious that it should be moved to "Pokémon X and Y."[[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] ([[User talk:AmaranthSparrow|talk]]) 21:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::Heck, even Pokémon.com reads "''An all-new 3D Pokémon adventure packed with never-before-seen Pokémon will launch worldwide in October 2013. '''Pokémon X''' and '''Pokémon Y''' will present a new generation of Pokémon, and introduce players to an exciting new adventure in a breathtaking 3D world.''" Could an admin PLEASE hurry up and move the name of this page? [[User:ToastUltimatum|'''Toast''']][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|'''Ultimatum''']] 23:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::By moving the page, not only would {{template|v}}, {{template|2v}}, {{template|2v2}}, and {{template|game}} have to be edited (besides the fact that they are all massively used) but [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Pok%C3%A9mon_X_and_Y_Versions&limit=500 every single page] that links here would also have to be edited. There's also {{template|PokémonInfobox}}, which is only used on '''over 650 pages'''. Templates on the Archives would also have to be changed. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 23:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::I'm against moving this page, at the very least until further information is available. "Version" is part of what separates the main series for games like Stadium, XD, and the like. Furthermore, there is at least some evidence that these games are still titled "X Version" and "Y Version" as seen in the picture Masa posted. It seems to me like the company is merely advertising the game in this manner because this is how the fandom always refers to the games, that is, without the word "version". Furthermore, this is probably simpler since it saves them the trouble of having to write "version" in several different languages all at once (remember, this is getting an instant worldwide release, and "Pokemon" is pretty universal while "version" isn't). We should at least wait a while before moving the page, and then having to move it back again. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 23:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Just to clarify, Masatoshi's image wasn't official; the official trailer doesn't have that banner on it, nor refers to them at all as having "Versions". As for the templates, they don't appear hard to edit in a change if you use "if switches". --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 00:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::Just to clarify, "#if:" switches work differently than "#switch:"es. Don't worry though, it'll only cause the servers to fail like when {{template|roundy}} used them.--[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::His image was official. [http://www.nintendo.nl/Divers/Nintendo-Direct/Laatstse-Nintendo-Direct/Nintendo-Direct-698557.html This] is official straight from Nintendo's website. It says "version". This is why I am sort of reserving a conclusion and doing a wait and see. - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 02:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:Where? From what I can see, it calls them Polémon X (lol, presumably a typo) and Pokémon Y. [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 03:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::'''The video.''' --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Seems more likely to be some sort of mistake, given that the other videos don't feature that and the press release specifically omits the word. Anyway, I have contacted Nintendo regarding the title of the games, and will wait to see what they have to say about it. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 17:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::::[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Misc-/Nintendo-Direct/2013/Pokemon-Direct-08-01-2013/Nintendo-Direct-699626.html What about the Nintendo's UK website?] --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

==New region==
In this article it states that the new region is likely based off of France but the [[Generation VI]] page says it draws inspiration from various points within Europe. The pages should be more consistent and more neutral about the subject. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 14:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
* The Nintendo Direct Trailer begins with Pikachu atop the Eiffel Tower. Unova draws from inspirations outside of the strict real world New York; it's not conflicting to say it's both based on France and draws inspiration from the rest of Europe.

== Trivia to be added, I believe... ==

A bit of trivia to be added:
*These are the first main series games to have letters in the title rather than color names.
*The game titles may be named after the X and Y axes of the [[wp:Cartesian coordinate system|Cartesian coordinations]]. ~~'''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]'''''~~ 10:04, 8 January, 2013 (UTC)
:Given that the Japanese logos clearly have DNA helixes in them, I think it's safe to say that they were going for genetics. Not coordinates. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 15:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Why not both? --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 15:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Because the Japanese logos have DNA helixes in them so they are standing for genetics, not coordinates. It was made pretty clear by Jo. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 17:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
They're obviously named after the x and y chromosomes, not coordinates. [[User:Munlax|Munlax]] ([[User talk:Munlax|talk]]) 17:14, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Could it not be a double meaning? [[User:Digifiend|Digifiend]] ([[User talk:Digifiend|talk]]) 17:16, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::And what makes you think it's coordinates? For all I know, we could also use algebraic expressions. So far, Jo's bet is the safest. Since it has helixes that resemble a DNA string, it's unlikely to have been based in coordinates. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::It's obviously based on Genetics, but Gamefreak and Nintendo love puns. X axis and Y axis. If the third legendary forms a Z shape, then I think it's safe to say that it's also partially a stealth 3DS pun --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 20:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Why would it be based off coordinates anyway? It makes more sense to have them based off genetics seeming as you breed Pokemon in the game. And no, it has been said numerous times: The Japanese logos have '''DNA''' helixes in them. End of story. [[User:Rainbow Shifter|Rainbow Shifter]] ([[User talk:Rainbow Shifter|talk]]) 17:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::That doesn't really discount the other reasoning. You may notice the logo is also in 3D text (which they've never done for a logo before), which would indicate to me that they're going for a double entendre with the titles. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 17:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I thought it was to do with the buttons on the DS and 3DS consoles, shows what I know...[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 20:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
More trivia for your perusal: They'll be the first main series games to be released simultaneously worldwide, and "Pokemon X" was the original name for both Lugia and Pokemon Crystal. '''[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]]''' 22:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I agree about the released simultaneously worldwide as I was planning to suggest that myself. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

==Based off France?==
To suggest the region will 'likely' be based on France seems to be speculation of the sort that the banner of the top forbids, Tokyo also has a structure like the Eiffel Tower. [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 17:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:The streets have an European-like setting; Pikachu spread his message from a location that seemed to be the same as France; that tower looks like the Eiffel Tower and it seems to use gray instead of white and red. While it's not confirmed, it is plausible that the region might be based in France. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:18, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::While it seems plausible, even likely. Isn't it still speculation? And why the entire region, rather than that particular city (I don't recall France having a desert, for example)? Castelia City in Black and White is said to be based off New York, yet the entire region isn't said to be based on the USA. [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 17:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::There's a big difference between the USA and France, the US is a massive country (in terms of size and little would be explored, if not ignoring plenty of cities). I for one think it ''may'' be based in Europe, but that city, along with that picture with the bridge remind me of the {{wp|Palace of Versailles}}. Most people seem to agree it might be based in Europe/France, so for the time being, we'll leave it like this. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::Pikachu's pretty clearly shown on the Eiffel Tower, in a country in the general location that everyone expects France to be. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 18:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Regardless it is very blatant '''speculation''', of which this encyclopaedia has clearly warned it's editors of avoiding. Popular agreement is '''NOT''' ''"confirmation by a reliable source"''. What's the point in that rule, if your so keen on breaking it? [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 18:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I do agree that it's speculation right now. It's like when everybody put Kyurem as the third member of the Tao trio before it was confirmed, despite them arguing tooth and nail and out right refusing to allow Giratina to be stated as the third member of the Dragon trio before Platinum came out [[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 20:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::Exactly. It's really inconsistent. As an admin, it seems as if Masatoshi is going for a 'do as I say, not as I do'. You can't rule 'no speculation', then allow a piece that you favour, or personally find convincing.
:::::Even if the Eiffel Tower could be considered more than speculation, how do we arrive at the fact the WHOLE region is based on France?.. It's conjecture after conjecture... [[User:Alexsau1991|Alexsau1991]] ([[User talk:Alexsau1991|talk]]) 01:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::In the trailer, Pikachu is seen on top of the Eiffel Tower. Literally. The camera zooms out and shows it in France. Saying the region is based on France is less of speculation, and more of an observation giving readers some idea what the region looks like. Rather than explaining every tiny little detail about the location, we can just blanket sweep it by saying, "It looks a lot like France." But obviously it's NOT France, cause Pokémon regions have almost never been real locations. (Sans Kanto. Kind of.) [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I think it would be a good idea to forbid this from being posted for now until more conclusive proof is gathered by any means from official sources to verify this though it would be a very slim chance that any of this is true. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 02:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I should also point out that Junichi Masuda's current Twitter profile picture is him next to the Eiffel Tower and there is at least one message commenting on his trip to France. Possibly a coincidence, though it's hardly an argument against the region being based off France. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 02:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Texas has an Eiffel Tower. Japan has a Statue of Liberty too, but Japan isn't the first place you think of when you think of the Statue of Liberty, is it? Then don't even get me started on Las Vegas. Pikachu is in the real life France in the intro, the girl's attire seems very French to me personally, the Pokémon team went to France for "work related reasons". I don't really see anything pointing it away from France, and I'm done having this discussion. There are more important things to worry about. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:53, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::huh. didn't know france had a desert. that city is obviously based on paris, but i have doubts on the entire region being based on france alone. just my 2cents, i could be wrong, but hey, speculation is speculation ;) [[User:Tarilaan|Tarilaan]] ([[User talk:Tarilaan|talk]]) 11:37, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::Pretty sure there's not a desert full of ancient ruins or mountain ranges in New York City, either, yet they're both in Unova. The game COULD be based in all of Europe, but so far we've only seen evidence of France. Saying the game "seems to be based on France" doesn't exclude the possibility of it also being based on other areas as well, in any case. --[[User:ACDragonMaster|ACDragonMaster]] ([[User talk:ACDragonMaster|talk]]) 02:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

== Region is based in France ==

Besides the obvious Eiffel Tower reference, I found out that the buildings shown are reminiscent of Paris's type (which was forced as an official style there) and additionally, the place Pikachu is giving the conference is Paris.
I'm including the picture for future reference.
[http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/714858374.png?key=25601440&Expires=1357683885&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=cMmYD40-9pvM7rc2~DneFwveDyESiYlke9L7VLrKMgbxx17yzOX7SfaL0oLKZUA~kRH4KcIMGYHdMDnfQ35-hhN50gESVjsub7Jbcpfstq2AhsJnHXQVj36ktl~N5qZLf9cNqzq71xKIMedbWhyydovcNqw3jd~j6ylnFaxcxh4_]
--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] ([[User talk:M.vit|talk]]) 22:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
:There's a section discussing that right above this one. Please join that conversation instead of starting a new section for the same thing. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 22:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Except South Korea ==

In the video, they only say "except select countries". --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

== Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Pokemon.com just confirmed the names of the mascots: Bambi is called Xerneas and Tweety is called Yveltal. http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ [[User:NP Chilla|NP Chilla]] ([[User talk:NP Chilla|talk]]) 14:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk:List of Pokémon with released Hidden Abilities (Generation V)

2012-08-16T01:38:01Z

Tyeforce: /* Ditto? */

==Gen V Pokemon==
Darmanitan (found in the Resort Desert) and Musharna (found in the Dreamyard) have access their Hidden Abilities, and by breeding, Munna and Darumakka. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:51, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
==Edits==
Female Eevee and so all its evolutions can be found in Japan for another 14 hours. And if you're putting male signs next to male-only stuff, you should be putting them by starters too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:56, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
:I forgot {{p|Eevee}} were obtainable from the [[Pokémon Café Forest]]. I'll make the fixes tomorrow. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 19:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Toxicroak should have a Male Sign, Porygon... not. Also nothing evolves into Porygon. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 00:40, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
:Also very minor, but your handling of Pokemon without Hidden Abilities isn't consistent. Metapod lists no Hidden Ability while Starly lists its one. If it helps decide, in the Dream World coding they are written out with the Hidden Ability, e.g., Castform's data has: "speabi1":"Forecast","speabi2":"","speabi3":"Forecast". [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:17, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Also, Mime.JR? [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 21:32, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

== Main Space worthy? ==

This article appears to be main site worthy, any reason why it can't be moved there? {{unsigned|RB Golbat}}

== Ditto? ==

Why isn't [[Ditto]] on the list? From my understanding, and according to multiple sources, [[Imposter]] Ditto is obtainable via [[Hidden Hollow]] in [[Giant Chasm]] in [[B2W2|Pokémon Black Version 2 and White Version 2]]. Is there a reason why he's missing from the list? [[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] ([[User talk:Tyeforce|talk]]) 10:25, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
:Ditto isn't on this list, because he hasn't been confirmed to be in the Hidden Hollow at the Giant Chasm. There is still some Pokémon that haven't been confirmed and added to the Hidden Hollow page. [[User:Lady Ariel|Lady Ariel]] ([[User talk:Lady Ariel|talk]]) 16:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
::But to my knowledge it has been confirmed. The game's data has been extracted, and it shows that Ditto is supposed to be in Giant Chasm's Hidden Hollow. Unless I am mistaken... What else is there to be confirmed? [[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] ([[User talk:Tyeforce|talk]]) 21:36, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
:::If Ditto has been confirmed from data extraction (Serebii doesn't count as a reliable source). It should be added here, along with the [[Hidden Hollow]] page and the respective location pages. However I am confident that there is more Pokémon available in the Hidden Hollows we don't have listed yet. [[User:Lady Ariel|Lady Ariel]] ([[User talk:Lady Ariel|talk]]) 22:03, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
::::I'm sure there are other Pokémon missing from the list as well, but I only noticed Ditto because I was looking here to make sure that he was indeed released. And now I'm confused because many other sources (not just Serebii) have claimed since the games first came out that Imposter Ditto is indeed obtainable, though it's oddly missing here when most other Hidden Hollow Pokémon are here. I've searched the net to see if there was any possibility that the reports of Imposter Ditto being available were incorrect, but all I can find is apparent confirmations. So I'm just left wondering why Bulbapedia has Ditto missing. I'd imagine that Imposter Ditto is kind of a big deal, and that it would certainly be added here, especially if other Pokémon from the Giant Chasm Hidden Hollow are, but it's not, which confuses me. It makes me doubt the authenticity of the Imposter Ditto reports, but at the same time I haven't heard any kind of disconfirmation of it either, so I assume that it's true but Bulbapedia just hasn't added Ditto for some reason? [[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] ([[User talk:Tyeforce|talk]]) 01:38, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:List of Pokémon with released Hidden Abilities (Generation V)

2012-08-15T21:36:58Z

Tyeforce: /* Ditto? */

Talk:List of Pokémon with released Hidden Abilities (Generation V)

2012-08-15T10:25:29Z

Tyeforce: /* Ditto? */ new section

Talk:Pokédex 3D

2011-06-16T07:27:02Z

Tyeforce: /* 3DSWare? */

== 3DSWare? ==

Would this be called 3DSWare? Heck, has the name 3DSWare ever been confirmed? (trademarks and Nintendo Greece logos don't count)--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 16:39, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
:No, Nintendo isn't using the term "3DSWare". Instead they're calling downloadable titles from the eShop "Nintendo 3DS download software". [[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 07:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

== Wait... ==

Where did this say this would be free for a limited time? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 18:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
:Nintendo's page for eShop.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 19:06, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

==Possible Trivia==
I think it is noteworthy that the game was released on western shores in the very week after it has been announced. To my knowledge, no game has ever come close to being released the very week after it was revealed, so I think it should be mentioned in the article. [[User:Torngentleman2|Torngentleman2]] 19:46, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
*And when I said 'no game', I meant no Pokémon game. [[User:Torngentleman2|Torngentleman2]] 19:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

== QR Codes ==

Is Bulbapedia going to have a list of each Pokemon's QR Code for the Pokedex 3D? [[User:King Riolu|King Riolu]] 10:01, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
:Talking to Archaic, he's told me no, at least not yet. Perhaps eventually, if Nintendo won't kill us. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 11:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
:: Someone added an image of the codes anyway. BTW, though Wikipedia would almost certainly call this original research, I've cracked the code and discovered that it is based on NATIONAL Pokedex numbers, meaning you can create codes for non-Unova Pokemon. They don't work yet, of course, but it's not difficult to figure out what the codes are. The alternate formes use "Pokedex numbers" in the 700s, leaving exactly enough space for every non-Unovan alternate forme (and Meloetta and Genesect's). Thus, it's possible (but not necessarily the case) that this could be updated for other generations in the future. I won't put this on the page unless people think it's exceptionally notable, but I figured it should be said on the Talk page, at least. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 22:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

== Quick help ==

Are the Pokemon that people start out with the same across all units, or are they random? Because I was thinking about adding a list of that nature to help this article out. --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 20:29, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
: Yes, everyone starts with the starters in all three stages, Audino, Minccino, Axew, Foongus, Emolga, Scraggy, and Hydreigon. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:10, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Black and White Versions

2011-03-03T23:00:56Z

Tyeforce: /* White and Black? Where did that come from? */

{{forums notice|March 31, 2011}}

==Regions?==

Do we have any word on what the new region(s) will be? It'll be based on unused portions of real-world Japan, will it? (Like [[wikipedia:Shikoku|Shikoku]], for instance?)  --[[User:Tanaka Shimoya|Tanaka Shimoya]] 06:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Not yet, but maybe soon.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 06:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::We knew the names of Diamond and Pearl back in 2005, in the earliest days of the wiki. We didn't get the name Sinnoh until after I had joined in 2006. That's how big a gap DP gave us. Given, this is due at the end of the year, but if we knew the region name '''''I WOULD HAVE SAID SO'''''. I can read Japanese, katakana specifically, and would have made that article immediately, if I knew any more than you guys do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::The region's called [[Isshu]]. [[User:Empoleo]]

== French intrawiki link ==

Hello !
Since this page is protected, can someone add ''Pokémon Noir et Blanc'' as french link, please ?
Thanks
[[User:Zhuquarnage|Zhu']] 15:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, there's a [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Pok%C3%A9mon_Noir_et_Blanc French page], and there's also a [http://www.pokewiki.de/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_und_White German page]. Somebody should definitely add those two. [[User:Wolf|Wolf]] 23:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

== Worth noting? ==

I was wondering if it was worth noting in the article that this is the first time 2 generations of Pokemon games have come out on the same system.--[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]]
:{{game|Gold and Silver|s}} were both produced as enhanced Game Boy cartridges. So ''technically'', Gen I & II are the first two generations to come out on the same system. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:20, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::Well, Gold and Silver were playable on the GB, but they were designed for and had more features on the Game Boy Color. These games (as far as we know) are being developed specifically for the DS. --[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]]
:::And these games could easily have features for the 3DS. We're not mentioning it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering if it is relevant to include in the trivia that the games were the 88th most popular searches in Google reported around 9 A.M but occupied this place around 8a.m {{Unsigned|EmpoleonMaster}}

:While that is interesting I don't think it is worthy enough to not, but how did you figure this out? It's neat. [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Pokemon1234567890]] 01:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

::Just if anyone was wondering about where i obtained the information about the searches in the internet, i just came by this information while i was doing some research about it. Only to be more exact they were classified as mild in the "hot" or popular searches in Google, there was also provided a graphic about how much this increase was but i could not obtain it. {{Unsigned|EmpoleonMaster}}

== Vehicles ==

Just thought i'd point out before it's mentioned on this page, but the shot of a bridge with cars driving underneath ISN'T the first vehicle in a Pokémon game, as most people seem to forget the moving van in the opening of the Hoenn games. A minor point, but one i always seem to remember :P [[User:Dawnshadow|Dawnshadow]] 13:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

How about the S.S. Anne Truck in the Kanto games? [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Pokemon1234567890]] 01:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:''I'' just want to point out that the Corocoro page didn't say that it was the first vehicle in the games, just that there will be a vehicle that has never been seen in the games before - it could be a unicycle for all we know. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::Hmmm.........[[Pokémon Gold and Silver beta|Skateboard]] anybody? =P --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 02:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Or even a bus system. We shouldn't assume it will be a car. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 12:01, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Irony ==

Would it be worth to note the irony in the fact that the first Pokémon games, named after ''colours'', were in ''greyscale'', and now these games, named after excessively dark and excessively light ''shades of grey'', are in third-dimensional 1900+-bit ''colour''? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 02:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:OK, that's funny. But I don't think it's too notable. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::It could probably be noted that they're the first games since Generation 1 to be named after colors, though? I know, ''technically'', white and black aren't colors, but really no one except art students cares about that. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Aren't gold and silver colors in addition to metals? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 11:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: They're all colors, except most of them are ''also'' mineral colors. I think even "Fire Red" and "Leaf Green". -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 11:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Re:"white and black aren't colors".What, since when? --[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 11:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
: White is the lack of color and black is a mixture of all colors [[User:Portuguese Old Man|Portuguese Old Man]] 20:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::Not in light. the opposite is true! :P [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 23:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Gray Version ==

Do '''''not''''' discuss that here. Just like people thought from the get-go that the third version of RS was gonna be a green gem (Emerald) and third version of DP was gonna have Giratina as a mascot (Platinum), people think from the get-go that the third version to Black and White will be Gray. Congratulations! There's a ''forum'' where you can talk about it. Bulbagarden Forums has a fifth generation subforum, and that is easily a better place to put your crappy speculation for a third version to games that don't come out until the end of the year when the ''last'' third version we got took two years after its primaries to be released. And it will be Gray if it is, because "grey" is a synonym for "old". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:No need to get your panties in a bunch. By the way, "grey" is a perfectly acceptable variant of "gray." --[[User:Zelrio|Zelrio]] 16:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::Uh, I think TTEchidna's a male. [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 15:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude, old discussion is old.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary dogs to unlock feature in Black/White ==

As seen in recent Pokémon news, [[shiny]] [[legendary beasts]], to be given away at the [[m13|new movie's]] premiere in Japan, will unlock a feature in the upcoming Black and White. This info also tells us it will somehow be compatible for trade between {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, {{game|Platinum}}, and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.

They have unique moves that are not normally known by {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Suicune}} and {{p|Entei}}. Raikou will know {{m|Zap Cannon}}, {{m|Aura Sphere}}, and {{m|Weather Ball}} and will hold the [[Micle berry]]; Suicune will know {{m|Sheer Cold}}, {{m|Air Slash}}, and {{m|Aqua Ring}} and will hold the [[Rowap berry]]; and Entei will know {{m|Flare Blitz}}, {{m|Howl}}, and {{m|Crush Claw}} and will hold the [[Custap berry]]. All three will also know {{m|Extremespeed}}.

Please add this! - [[User:050294|050294]] 14:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Gameplay footage released on Pokémon Sunday ==

Pokémon Sunday released footage of the female player walking in a 3D city that had some {{p|Pikachu}} animated billboards.

Video seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK8AYptQHpg&fmt=18 here]. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:You sure that was animated? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 04:21, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::I just checked that and the billboard above the Pokémon Center in that city is pretty stationary, it is a Pikachu billboard though. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 04:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh well. I guess I was seeing things. - [[User:050294|050294]] 07:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::::So I guess your Pokemon wont follow you anymore... [[User:Blade Bro.|Blade Bro.]]
:Maybe, maybe not. Let's leave the speculation to the forums.... *points at banner at the top of the page* —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== What Is This For? ==

Is this for the soon-to-be-released Nintendo 3DS or for just the normal DSs?
[[User:Legendary Catcher]] 0:57:10 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not confirmed yet, I don't think. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 00:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::Right now it appears it's for the DS, but a lot of people, such as me, think that it's going to have extra features on the 3DS. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It was confirmed for DS since before we even had the titles. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 08:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::And it says so in the article. Wow!
::::This line of correspondence is now CLOSED. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Tentative websites ==

Please put these (hidden, of course) as the possible sites for the translations:

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ for Global (placeholder)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.eu/ for Europe (redirect)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.co.uk/ for the UK(redirect)

Most likely, all registered correctly.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 01:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:It's official. These are the sites.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

::These all just redirect to the new English page. If anything is added it should be http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/ (which is the English site, by the way). --'''[[User:6259||''6259'']] 20:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu Region ==

CoroCoro just confirmed that the games will be in the Isshu Region. {{unsigned|Pokemonemerfan1954}}
:Thanks, I'll update the appropriate pages. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Pics ==

I just thought that maybe since CoroCoro showed the New Starter Pics and The New Characters they maybe could be added to the page. But im not saying they should forcibly. [[User:CodyDelis|CodyDelis]]

== Sprites ==

http://i41.tinypic.com/2gt6pa0.png

Could someone replace the current sprites for revealed Pokémon with these? They're cleaned-up PNGs, in contrast to the ones we currently have, which still have JPG pixelization when zoomed in. And it's not letting me upload them myself, I assume because of the whole new Pokémon thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 18:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:The Archives are locked until Monday, so I suggest maybe you contact an active admin right now, if you want them uploaded.—♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== New site link ==

http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/

I can't edit the main page, so I'll let somebody who can put this on in place of the current link. (The link as it is now leads to a very old website, and this one has all the new information, etc.) [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 19:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind, the site redirects. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==

Hi. Does anyone remember me? Well, if you take a look on the PKMN Black & White Version article on the "Pokémon Wiki" on Wikia you can find other images. I suggest getting permission from the site first before using the images here. Just to let you all know! [[User:Tommy-SAN|T-SAN!]] 22:48, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:No I don't. Also, we are fine we can get our own images no need to get them from Wikia of all places. Thanks, --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::(conflicted) I do... And we just don't really consider Pokémon Wiki to be too realiable... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, whatever you guys like. I don't think of it as realiable as this one either, but you can always look at the images if you want to, it gives more of an idea of what the games will look like. --[[User:Tommy-SAN|'''T☆MMY''']][[User talk:Tommy-SAN|'''SAN!''']][[Special:Contributions/Tommy-SAN|'''♂''']] 02:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I think people already know how the games are going to be since like yesterday. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Pokemon Wiki probably just stole them off of someone else, sort of like how all of their info is stolen from us. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 06:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Considering they have an image of Sinnoh as their pic of Isshu (File:IsshuRegion.jpg on their site), they're not to be trusted for some stuff.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokemon ==

http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/

Would somebody like to confirm the validity of these images?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 16:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the Japanese site too with the same exact images, so.. yes, it's confirmed. That... was sudden.... ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 16:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

They are official. Reshiram, and Zekrom. Confirmed on [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/ the Japanese site] as well. [[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 16:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Is this the first time that the English and Japanese names of any Pokémon are confirmed simultaneously? This is so friggin' awesome! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 16:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's weird. Have the starters or Zoroark even been confirmed in the US yet? {{unsigned|Skaisdead}}
:::No, they haven't. And I would like to add an important piece of info on this page. It turns out that the [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/product Boxarts have been revealed] [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== European release date ==

[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/2010/pokmon_black_version_and_pokmon_white_version_for_nintendo_ds_coming_to_europe_in_spring_2011_17844.html Spring 2011 as well] '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:And that press release also confirms that these Pokémon are going to be on the cover, they state on which cover, and that they're legendaries. Fairly obvious, yes, but in here that everything needs super official confirmation, it is nice to have it (I think there had not been an official confirmation of that before this). '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 18:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's a little strange that there was no mention of they being the cover pokémon for each version in both the Japanese press (and I read the Japanese official site) or American press, but there is a quick note about it on the UK site... Even though it's obvious that they both will be on the covers, I don't really feel like this being confirmation. They just say which will appear in which game, not the cover. But maybe that's just me.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 19:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The boxart is here, for the Japanese versions:[http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/product] —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

==Website Links==
Somebody should update the links section with the new English website for these games. (http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en//) [[User:6259|62]][[User Talk:6259|59]] 21:36, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:That's the minisite. A full site will be made at http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ eventually.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Or there might be construction at http://www.pokemonbw.com/ .--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 12:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It is probably just construction because when I just tried to get onto that site IE8 said that the "site is forbidden." Probably, it will be up in the next few days. Thanks for the update. [[User:6259|62]][[User Talk:6259|59]] 21:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::It's http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ . Trust me. Please put this on the page.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 17:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::And now, as per coding on Pokemon.com, it's confirmed. Adding to page.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should we add that this is the first time the games have been revealed in America before the Japanese games actually came out? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 18:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:No. HGSS were the first games...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 18:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

we could put that reshiram and zekrom were the first pokemon to be revealed around the world at the same time in japan?
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC))
:Why here though? Irrelevant... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::As for the part about Reshiram and Zekrom, it's already added on their articles that are currently in my [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Reshiram (Pokémon)|sand]][[User:Jello/Sandbox/Zekrom (Pokémon)|box]]. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==DS or 3DS==
Despite this article saying that this game can be played on Nintendo DS, I read the page [[Nintendo 3DS]], and saw that the game is played on 3DS not DS. Or is it the game can be played by both DS or 3DS? I am confused. Can somebody tell whether this game is played on DS or 3DS?

[[User:Tetrix|Tetrix]] 09:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:This game is going to release on DS. Check out the official cover boxes of both games, it's DS. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 09:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::But yes, it should be able to be played on the 3DS anyway; Nintendo has confirmed that most DS games can be played on the 3DS. Whether it's enhanced in any way by this remains to be seen. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Zekrom Link ==

The link that's supposed to link to Zekrom under the boxarts apparently leads to a page that does not exist, but when you click it, it does lead to Zekrom's Pokemon page. I assume someone made the links before they created the Zekrom page, so it stayed red. Could somebody please change this?--[[User:MewSoul|MewSoul]] 14:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:All you have to do is purge the page. That makes the most current revision appear. You can purge the page by pressing the clock next to your username. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Slight edit. ==

The first paragraphs of the article:

''In addition, Pokémon battles will be fully animated, with Pokémon on both sides constantly moving, with a dynamic camera that changes focus to highlight specific parts of the battle.''

''In addition to the improved graphics, a number of aesthetic changes have been made from previous generations, including an altered battle scene, speech balloons for dialog, and a combined Pokémon Center and Poké Mart building.''

Are almost the same, I suggest merging this into one paragraph, so we don't fall into redundances. [[User:Masatoshi|'''聖人''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''wat''''']] 18:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Names in other languages ==

===In other languages===
{{langtable|color={{white color light}}|bordercolor={{black color}}
|ja=ポケットモンスターブラック・ホワイト
|fr=Pokémon Version Noire et Version Blanche
|de=Pokémon Schwarze Edition und Weiβe Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Nera e Versione Bianca
|es=Pokémon Edición Negra y Edición Blanca}}

Since the games have been announced internationally, with the current exception being South Korea, can an admin add this to the article, please? [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, we got a problem here with the background color. We need the background to be white, or at least, ghost white... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
::Can someone add this to the article? It is supposed to be there. Also, I think the colors I changed it to look better. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:26, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to note that the symbol in "Weisse" (β) on the German name is actually a beta, which is a Greek letter and not the Eszett in German. The correct symbol for the Eszett is "ß". Could somebody change this? I would, but it's not letting me edit the page for some reason. - [[User:JWhitt|J]][[User_talk:JWhitt|Whitt]] 11:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Changed. Thanks for pointing it out. The reason that you couldn't edit it is that it has been protected to prevent speculation from being added. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== 3D Buildings? ==

Did anybody else notice that the inside of the Pokémon Center is 3D? Should we add that information? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 16:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Release date! ==

Pokemon Sunday revealed that the release date for Black and White in Japan is September 18th, 2010. Can someone please edit this in? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 23:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:53, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Inverted Pairings ==

Generation V is the first time that the pairings between version color and version mascot are '''inverted'''. (I.E. Reshiram, the White Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon Black while Zekrom, the Black Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon White.)--[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, it is some Honkey <s>shit</s> crap. --[[User:Zelrio|Zelrio]] 13:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::I think that's to fit the "Ying Yang" thing. Reshiram being the white circle in the black, and Zekrom being the black circle in the white. --[[User:KengoMel|KengoMel]] 10:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

==Chiramyi==
Someone edited the page, claiming this to be the correct romanisation. However, nowhere else is this used, and Chiramii is a more accurate romanisation for before the official one is released. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== New stuff in the new Oha Suta trailer ==

*Features
**Pokémon Musicals: Appear to be Super Contests in all but name.
**PokéShifter: Already reported on. Apparently a Pal Park analogue.
*Pokémon
**A fawn
**A swan
**Miruhog (ミルホッグ): From "見る" (''miru'', to watch) and "groundhog". Obvious Minezumi evolution
*Moves
**Fire Oath (ほのおのちかい): Fire-type, 10 PP
**Nitro Charge (ニトロチャージ): Fire-type, 20 PP
**Grass Mixer (グラスミキサー): Grass-type, 10 PP
**Grass Oath (くさのちかい): Grass-type, 10 PP
**[[Blastoise (Secret Wonders 2)|Waterlog]] (みずびだし): [presumably] Water-type
*Trainer classes
**American football player
**Nurse
**Some guy with a big backpack, but he's not a bear like previous Hikers
**Baker
**Tightrope walker?
*Places
**Battle Subway
—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== No walking Pokémon?? ==

So far none of the revealed images show walking Pokémon. Maybe the walking with Pokémon is just optional now but still I would think there would've been some images showing the trainer walking with Pokémon by now. (Show previous generation Pokémon walking to avoid revealing new ones too soon) If there is no walking with Pokémon in this game, I'll be a bit crushed. That feature was so fun in HeartGold and SoulSilver. I mean, these new games can very well use the Pokemon sprites from HG/SS. But if the feature is to be revealed as included in the future, would it be worth mentioning that it's the first Pokémon game with a walk with Pokémon feature that makes the feature optional? (Option to recall/send out Pokemon manually) --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 10:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, that might mean that out OD sprites on every template will have to be replaced. Damn, they look way better than the MS ones. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 10:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Removing features. ==

I Noticed in various videos promoting the game, Pokemon do not follow the trainer around as they did in HeartGold and SoulSilver. Was this feature just bound to that selection of games? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 20:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:The section directly above talks about the same thing. This sort of question is better for the forums. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:29, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

==EP links==
The Spanish link should instead lead to [[:es:Pokémon Ediciones Negra y Blanca]], and the Portuguese link that should be there is [[:pt:Pokémon Black e White]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== Infobox game ==

Well, that template gets messed up with the gallery, can anyone fix it? [[User:Masatoshi|'''Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''Discuss.''''']] 06:37, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any issue with it. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Gοlden]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|pelt]] 07:12, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:The infobox and gallery are too wide, so it forces the gallery below the infobox's end. Maybe you have a wider screen than me and Masatoshi do.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:15, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::Oh. The way it was worded, it seemed like they were saying that the template got messed up. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Gοlden]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|pelt]] 07:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Watch ==

At about 4:33 a new Pokémon can be seen and there is tons of gameplay elements.. also the evolution sequence. I'm pretty sure this is reliable and it has tons of info.
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGn4EkM5CVU]
--[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:Those new Pokémon are Denchura, Doryuuzu, and Ononokusu. We've seen them before, but there's not enough information for us to have articles on them. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 17:06, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
::Also, it's been already mentioned in the news [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ads_for_Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_and_White_feature_unseen_footage here]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 17:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Famitsu ==

Apparently, the new Famitsu issue came out, and Black and White received a 40/40. Since this is the first set of games that got this rating (the highest thus far I think was a 37/40 (what game, I'm not sure), I figure that might be included on the article, no?
[[User:MajinNecro69|MN69]] 03:28, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:If this is added, then a Bulbanews link should be added to [[n:Famitsu gives Black and White perfect score]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== Korea ==

Korean version has been announced several days ago. The titles are, as expected 포켓몬스터 블랙 and 포켓몬스터 화이트. The time of release - Spring 2011. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== This theme is "Opposite poles(対極)". ==

This theme was declared. http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/024/24648/ [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:North/South rumor confirmed! Or not really. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Platinum Entries? ==

Has anyone else noticed that it seems like all Gen I-IV Pokémon's Pokédex entries are simply copied from Platinum, or at least from Gen IV entries? Any instances where this is untrue?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 22:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
:They are all the 'Dex entries from Platinum. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 00:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Well then, there's somethin trivia-worthy.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Release date ==

Hey guys, I just went to GameFaqs today in an attempt to get Gaurdian signs (it comes out tomorrow...) and they gave me a list of games release dates. Guess what two other Pokemon games were on the List? If you guessed Pokemon Black and Pokemon white...you win. It said the release date was 04/02/11. April 2nd 2011 [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:Bulbanews it. I don't know if it's true, but a draft won't hurt. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:54, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::GameFAQs, Gamespot, and other sites always make a fake date around that time. Then HeartGold and SoulSilver ended up coming out half a month earlier. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 16:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:::They're called placeholder dates, not fake. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Back to Basics ==
Wasn't sure if it should be mentioned in the summary or its own section, but the article should mention that the creators wanted to give players the brand new feel of Red and Green/Blue all over again. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

== C-Gear ==

I was looking at the features tab, and noticed that the 3.1 C-Gear heading was empty. There was also a C-Gear page that was deleted for some reason. I found a page on Serebii.net -> http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/cgear.shtml. Could someone maybe add this in or explain what the deal is? Thanks. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 06:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:We don't currently have the info on the C-Gear because no-one has added it yet. Feel free to. And feel free to create a page for it. The one that was deleted was deleted because someone had confused it with the Live Caster, and written the article about the Live Caster. Also, please remember that other fansites are not reliable sources of info. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. I don't really use Serebii that much for "reliability", I was just seeing if any preliminary info was out there. I am not really able to make a page as I don't know anything about it, I was just wondering about the deleted page and the fact that a blank section doesn't really look right - If there's nothing to put under it, then it shouldn't be there, IMO. However, that has been remedied, and thanks for responding. You answered my question well! --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 01:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shouldn't the Famitsu thing be RECEPTION? ==

As above.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 09:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shroomish ==

It's actually exclusive to Pokémon Black. I know because I caught one. I think it might be Paras that is exclusive to Pokémon White. Just guessing cause they're mushrooms. It needs to be fixed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:25, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

== US Release Date ==

I recently found that the US release date for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions]], which is April 2, 2011. I discovered this information as I was pre-ordering them at GameStop. Is this considered a reliable source of information, and is there any way of putting the US release date on the page? Thanks! --[[User:Galladequaza|'''Gallade''']][[User:Galladequaza|'''quaza''']]
:No, it's not reliable. GameStop guesses at release dates when it comes to preorders, just so they have more to promise than the vague "Spring 2010". Until we get something from Nintendo themselves, we aren't adding any specific dates. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:33, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::Not to mention that's a Saturday and Nintendo releases new games on Sunday. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 15:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== A Bit More Trivia ==
In the trivia section, there's a note that points out many 'staples' of the series that BW do not feature (three rods, Game Corner, etc.). Isn't it worthy to add to that section that BW are also the first games that are not remakes, since the first generation, where the male protagonist's name doesn't end in "ki" (Hibiki, Yuji and Koki) and the female's name doesn't have the syllable "ka" (Haruka and Hikari)? [[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 15:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Australian Release Date ==

Is the Australian Release Date refering to Australian Spring or North Hemisphere Spring? It seems unfair that we have to wait three months after the rest of the world. [[User:Maril and Co.|Mr. Maril Of Oldale]] 00:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:The Australian minisite says "Early 2011", so I've updated the page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I assume this was put in by someone who didn't know we have Autumn when Americans have spring [[User:Maril and Co.|Mr. Maril Of Oldale]] 03:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Characters' History ==

Apparently Nintendo Dream had an interview a while back regarding the origins of some of the games' characters, such as N and the Gym Leaders. I found some translations/impressions from the interview [http://pokejungle.net/2010/11/22/character-designs-and-inspirations/ here] and [http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=6321861&postcount=24 here], but not the actual reported interview. Anyone want to search for it and place the info on the articles? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

==Possible English Release date==

This may not be correct so don't jump to conclusions yet but a flyer at gamestop listing next years game releases it listed Pokémon Black and white for '''Sunday April 17, 2011''' This seems official to me I don't think Gamestop would lie, but I'll look for furthur details. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 17:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:Gamestop's had placeholder release dates before. I'd take it with a huge-ass grain of salt. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 17:32, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well it follows the previous release date times on Sunday and in spring. Remember I did not say it was confirmed so don't tell me I'm wrong. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 17:36, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Not saying you're wrong, just saying there exists the possibility of it not being right. Plus, I'm really hoping for a March release date. It's earlier. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 20:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Gamestop used placeholders all the time. They gave three different HG/SS dates and two different Guardian Signs dates. Those release date books they have aren't the most reliable. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 01:47, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

== New PBW Template ==

I don't know how to make templates but I have an idea. It might look messy but you never know. Since there are no walking Pokémon in PBW could there be separate party templates for Gen V and Gen I-IV, Gen V with MS sprites and Gen I-IV with OD sprites? —[[User:Strongriver|強力な]][[User talk:Strongriver|河川]][[Special:Contributions/Strongriver|!]] 09:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's not really relevant to this page. It would look very messy, especially considering that some pages have two party templates. I think that it is best to just leave it the way it is. Hopefully we get OD sprites in another Generation V game. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

=={{template|Infobox_game}} template ==
Right now game titles are writen with black font on almost black background, it's kinda hard to read. If one to swap ''colorscheme'' and ''bordercolorscheme'', titles become easier to read, but titles of subcategories (Basic Info, Ratings...) contrary harder and infobox itself looks worse and less appealing. Is there a way to change titles color to white? It would make more sense and be easier to read... --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 12:34, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:How's that? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Revolution Compatability? ==

So I'm guessing these don't work with Battle Revolution, unless the 3-D sprites, announcer voice-overs, and move cinematics are loaded from the games, which I don't think they do
[[User:ChknNuggets|ChknNuggets]] 17:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:They don't. The disclaimer on the bottom of the Japanese boxes says as such. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 09:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia: Catching version mascot? ==

The Trivia section states that the game requires the player to catch Reshiram/Zekrom in order to continue the plot ... but back in ''Ruby/Sapphire'' the player had to fight Groudon or Kyogre as part of the story, and in ''HeartGold/SoulSilver'' the player is required to battle their version mascot before they can surf out of New Bark Town and proceed towards Victory Road.

So does this mean the player is specifically required to ''catch'' their version mascot, and not merely face it in a battle? If so, Black/White are indeed the first generation to do this, but as the US release isn't for another few months, that's just a guess and I could be wrong. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 07:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)''
:I think that it was clear enough before. It said "required to catch", so I don't see that as misleading. In the other games where you have to battle the version mascot, you are not "required to catch" them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== ? ==

Do these games require 3DS, or does a normal DS Lite run these games? Just askin' before I make the decision to purchase either game. =) --[[User:Neekerisanni123|Sanni]] 16:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:Any console with "DS" in its name works.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 16:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== Glitch ==

There seems to be a glitch with the main infobox in this article; the words "Black" and "White" in the heading are overlapping. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:46, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's probably just your browser. Everything looks fine to me. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 19:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, that's right. . . that was pointed out to me before, but I couldn't figure out why it was doing that. The only thing I could think of now was IE stacking the tables which were all in the same cell, which it shouldn't be doing anyway. I separated them into separate cells, so it should be all fixed now. Hopefully I haven't introduced any other bugs. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
The trivia states that these games are the first games since yellow to be named after colours but black and white are not actually colours ([[User:Matty19892009|Matty19892009]] 14:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC))
:New comments to the bottom please. And if they aren't colours, would you mind telling me what colour this text is? How about this text? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, and don't even mention Gold and Silver being colors. I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be named after the minerals of gold and silver. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee]] [[Special:Random|§]] [[User talk:BeeBwakka|Bwakka]] 01:36, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Actually, Gold and Silver are named after the colors. In Japanese, there is a distinction between Gold and Silver as metals and as colors, and the games use the colors in their names. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Antiwar ideas that stay in Pokémon Black and White ==

The developer included antiwar ideas to Pokémon Black and White. [http://www22.atwiki.jp/bwhuman?cmd=upload&act=open&pageid=48&file=%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F6.jpg]
The name of the magazine is Da Vinci.[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=244][[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Game Informer Review ==

Game Informer gave the games a 8.75 out of 10 in the issue I just got today.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 00:10, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

It has been a few days since I added the above and since it was not changed I am adding it now. Feel free to rewrite it to be better than what I have done.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 22:45, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you. Next time you find out something new, feel free to add it right away :) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:00, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought you guys did the table thing for reviews like on Wikipedia so I posted this before checking but since it is only text here I am glad since I cannot do the tables on a wiki to save my life. I will keep looking for more reviews.I did find that videogamer.com gave the games a 9 out of 10 so I will add that as well.

== Music ==
Nobody thought to add the fact that the music changes depending on the battle situation? *Adds* [[User:PoketoaTheFirefox|PoketoaTheFirefox]] 17:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

== Doubtful source. ==

Also, some of the new Pokémon appearing in both games were designed by James Turner of Nintendo of America instead of Game Freak's design team. This is to tie up with the American feel of Black and White.

1 "James Turner" belongs to Nintendo of America.

2 This is to tie up with the American feel of Black and White.

Where is this source? "James Turner" is an employee of game freak.[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/staff/?p=204][[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Time after the other generations? ==

Should we include how many years after the previous Generations Generation V occurs?

If Gen. I and III occur at the same time, and Gen. II and and IV occur 3 years after that, then we can narrow Generation V down to happening at least 1 year after Generation II/IV due to Cynthia mentioning being beaten by the protagonist of Generation IV.

Just a thought [[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 18:41, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
:Fourth paragraph of the [[Generation V]] article:
::Generation V occurs an unknown amount of time after Generation II and Generation IV. The Team Rocket Grunt who stole the Machine Part appears, saying that while he had intended to revive Team Rocket upon returning home, he instead fell in love and had a son. Cynthia mentions visiting the Distortion World and being defeated by a young Trainer as Sinnoh League Champion.
:—[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 18:44, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah okay, i didnt notice that on the Generation V Page.
[[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 18:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Special DSi Bundle ==

Do we have information on the new DSi bundles anywhere on the site? They just got confirmed by IGN, but I wasn't sure if it was official before. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 22:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:I checked and it wasn't, so I put it there. --[[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 16:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
::GAME in the UK have been advertising them for about two weeks or so. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 01:05, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White getting new features on the 3DS? ==

As we know now, the the 3DS has been released in Japan (http://ds.ign.com/articles/115/1152699p1.html). I remember reading back on IGN that Pokemon Black and White would get more features than just the DSi's features only if played on the 3DS instead (can't find the page to link to, but I swear I saw something like that). Has anyone actually tested Black or White on a 3DS to see if anything gets added? I know the games have Infrared, but the 3DS only has that. If we find 3DS exclusive features, maybe we could note that in the article somewhere. [[User:RedLuigi|RedLuigi]] 00:29, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:IGN was wrong. The creators of the games confirmed there were no 3DS features. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:32, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
::I believe that it has the same enhancements that it has on [[Nintendo DSi]] and [[Nintendo DSi XL]], where it uses the camera, and this is where the misconception came from. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:36, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see now. No wonder I couldn't find the article for it, IGN probably deleted it after realizing their mistake. [[User:RedLuigi|RedLuigi]] 16:40, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== 3rd March ==

It should also be added that people who pre-ordered early online with GAME in the UK got their copy of the game today (in most cases) [[User:Daniel1993|Daniel1993 used to be Robbo5002]] 19:40, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it shouldn't. It's very common for some people to get the games early. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== White and Black? Where did that come from? ==

''"These games are being advertised as "White and Black" instead of Black and White at Toys "R" Us."''

Um, I work at Toys "R" Us, and I can tell you that this is certainly not the case. They're being advertised as "Black and White", just like they are everywhere else. I even have a promotional display from Toys "R" Us that I got to take home that I'm looking at right now, and guess what is says? Not "White and Black".

And even if that was true, it seems like rather useless trivia, much like most of the trivia on this wiki... Seriously, a page shouldn't have 30 lines of trivia.
[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 22:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:In what country do you work in?[[User:The Sandwich Oven|That Sammich]] [[user talk:The Sandwich Oven|Omnomnom]] [[Pokémon Ranger (Ranger series)|Rangers lead the way.]] 22:43, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
::United States. Why? [[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 23:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Black and White Versions

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==Regions?==

Do we have any word on what the new region(s) will be? It'll be based on unused portions of real-world Japan, will it? (Like [[wikipedia:Shikoku|Shikoku]], for instance?)  --[[User:Tanaka Shimoya|Tanaka Shimoya]] 06:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Not yet, but maybe soon.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 06:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::We knew the names of Diamond and Pearl back in 2005, in the earliest days of the wiki. We didn't get the name Sinnoh until after I had joined in 2006. That's how big a gap DP gave us. Given, this is due at the end of the year, but if we knew the region name '''''I WOULD HAVE SAID SO'''''. I can read Japanese, katakana specifically, and would have made that article immediately, if I knew any more than you guys do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::The region's called [[Isshu]]. [[User:Empoleo]]

== French intrawiki link ==

Hello !
Since this page is protected, can someone add ''Pokémon Noir et Blanc'' as french link, please ?
Thanks
[[User:Zhuquarnage|Zhu']] 15:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, there's a [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Pok%C3%A9mon_Noir_et_Blanc French page], and there's also a [http://www.pokewiki.de/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_und_White German page]. Somebody should definitely add those two. [[User:Wolf|Wolf]] 23:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

== Worth noting? ==

I was wondering if it was worth noting in the article that this is the first time 2 generations of Pokemon games have come out on the same system.--[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]]
:{{game|Gold and Silver|s}} were both produced as enhanced Game Boy cartridges. So ''technically'', Gen I & II are the first two generations to come out on the same system. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:20, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::Well, Gold and Silver were playable on the GB, but they were designed for and had more features on the Game Boy Color. These games (as far as we know) are being developed specifically for the DS. --[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]]
:::And these games could easily have features for the 3DS. We're not mentioning it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering if it is relevant to include in the trivia that the games were the 88th most popular searches in Google reported around 9 A.M but occupied this place around 8a.m {{Unsigned|EmpoleonMaster}}

:While that is interesting I don't think it is worthy enough to not, but how did you figure this out? It's neat. [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Pokemon1234567890]] 01:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

::Just if anyone was wondering about where i obtained the information about the searches in the internet, i just came by this information while i was doing some research about it. Only to be more exact they were classified as mild in the "hot" or popular searches in Google, there was also provided a graphic about how much this increase was but i could not obtain it. {{Unsigned|EmpoleonMaster}}

== Vehicles ==

Just thought i'd point out before it's mentioned on this page, but the shot of a bridge with cars driving underneath ISN'T the first vehicle in a Pokémon game, as most people seem to forget the moving van in the opening of the Hoenn games. A minor point, but one i always seem to remember :P [[User:Dawnshadow|Dawnshadow]] 13:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

How about the S.S. Anne Truck in the Kanto games? [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Pokemon1234567890]] 01:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:''I'' just want to point out that the Corocoro page didn't say that it was the first vehicle in the games, just that there will be a vehicle that has never been seen in the games before - it could be a unicycle for all we know. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::Hmmm.........[[Pokémon Gold and Silver beta|Skateboard]] anybody? =P --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 02:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Or even a bus system. We shouldn't assume it will be a car. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 12:01, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Irony ==

Would it be worth to note the irony in the fact that the first Pokémon games, named after ''colours'', were in ''greyscale'', and now these games, named after excessively dark and excessively light ''shades of grey'', are in third-dimensional 1900+-bit ''colour''? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 02:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:OK, that's funny. But I don't think it's too notable. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::It could probably be noted that they're the first games since Generation 1 to be named after colors, though? I know, ''technically'', white and black aren't colors, but really no one except art students cares about that. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Aren't gold and silver colors in addition to metals? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 11:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: They're all colors, except most of them are ''also'' mineral colors. I think even "Fire Red" and "Leaf Green". -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 11:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Re:"white and black aren't colors".What, since when? --[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 11:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
: White is the lack of color and black is a mixture of all colors [[User:Portuguese Old Man|Portuguese Old Man]] 20:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::Not in light. the opposite is true! :P [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 23:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Gray Version ==

Do '''''not''''' discuss that here. Just like people thought from the get-go that the third version of RS was gonna be a green gem (Emerald) and third version of DP was gonna have Giratina as a mascot (Platinum), people think from the get-go that the third version to Black and White will be Gray. Congratulations! There's a ''forum'' where you can talk about it. Bulbagarden Forums has a fifth generation subforum, and that is easily a better place to put your crappy speculation for a third version to games that don't come out until the end of the year when the ''last'' third version we got took two years after its primaries to be released. And it will be Gray if it is, because "grey" is a synonym for "old". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:No need to get your panties in a bunch. By the way, "grey" is a perfectly acceptable variant of "gray." --[[User:Zelrio|Zelrio]] 16:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::Uh, I think TTEchidna's a male. [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 15:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude, old discussion is old.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary dogs to unlock feature in Black/White ==

As seen in recent Pokémon news, [[shiny]] [[legendary beasts]], to be given away at the [[m13|new movie's]] premiere in Japan, will unlock a feature in the upcoming Black and White. This info also tells us it will somehow be compatible for trade between {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, {{game|Platinum}}, and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.

They have unique moves that are not normally known by {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Suicune}} and {{p|Entei}}. Raikou will know {{m|Zap Cannon}}, {{m|Aura Sphere}}, and {{m|Weather Ball}} and will hold the [[Micle berry]]; Suicune will know {{m|Sheer Cold}}, {{m|Air Slash}}, and {{m|Aqua Ring}} and will hold the [[Rowap berry]]; and Entei will know {{m|Flare Blitz}}, {{m|Howl}}, and {{m|Crush Claw}} and will hold the [[Custap berry]]. All three will also know {{m|Extremespeed}}.

Please add this! - [[User:050294|050294]] 14:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Gameplay footage released on Pokémon Sunday ==

Pokémon Sunday released footage of the female player walking in a 3D city that had some {{p|Pikachu}} animated billboards.

Video seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK8AYptQHpg&fmt=18 here]. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:You sure that was animated? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 04:21, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::I just checked that and the billboard above the Pokémon Center in that city is pretty stationary, it is a Pikachu billboard though. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 04:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh well. I guess I was seeing things. - [[User:050294|050294]] 07:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::::So I guess your Pokemon wont follow you anymore... [[User:Blade Bro.|Blade Bro.]]
:Maybe, maybe not. Let's leave the speculation to the forums.... *points at banner at the top of the page* —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== What Is This For? ==

Is this for the soon-to-be-released Nintendo 3DS or for just the normal DSs?
[[User:Legendary Catcher]] 0:57:10 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not confirmed yet, I don't think. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 00:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::Right now it appears it's for the DS, but a lot of people, such as me, think that it's going to have extra features on the 3DS. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It was confirmed for DS since before we even had the titles. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 08:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::And it says so in the article. Wow!
::::This line of correspondence is now CLOSED. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Tentative websites ==

Please put these (hidden, of course) as the possible sites for the translations:

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ for Global (placeholder)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.eu/ for Europe (redirect)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.co.uk/ for the UK(redirect)

Most likely, all registered correctly.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 01:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:It's official. These are the sites.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

::These all just redirect to the new English page. If anything is added it should be http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/ (which is the English site, by the way). --'''[[User:6259||''6259'']] 20:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu Region ==

CoroCoro just confirmed that the games will be in the Isshu Region. {{unsigned|Pokemonemerfan1954}}
:Thanks, I'll update the appropriate pages. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Pics ==

I just thought that maybe since CoroCoro showed the New Starter Pics and The New Characters they maybe could be added to the page. But im not saying they should forcibly. [[User:CodyDelis|CodyDelis]]

== Sprites ==

http://i41.tinypic.com/2gt6pa0.png

Could someone replace the current sprites for revealed Pokémon with these? They're cleaned-up PNGs, in contrast to the ones we currently have, which still have JPG pixelization when zoomed in. And it's not letting me upload them myself, I assume because of the whole new Pokémon thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 18:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:The Archives are locked until Monday, so I suggest maybe you contact an active admin right now, if you want them uploaded.—♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== New site link ==

http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/

I can't edit the main page, so I'll let somebody who can put this on in place of the current link. (The link as it is now leads to a very old website, and this one has all the new information, etc.) [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 19:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind, the site redirects. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==

Hi. Does anyone remember me? Well, if you take a look on the PKMN Black & White Version article on the "Pokémon Wiki" on Wikia you can find other images. I suggest getting permission from the site first before using the images here. Just to let you all know! [[User:Tommy-SAN|T-SAN!]] 22:48, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:No I don't. Also, we are fine we can get our own images no need to get them from Wikia of all places. Thanks, --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::(conflicted) I do... And we just don't really consider Pokémon Wiki to be too realiable... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, whatever you guys like. I don't think of it as realiable as this one either, but you can always look at the images if you want to, it gives more of an idea of what the games will look like. --[[User:Tommy-SAN|'''T☆MMY''']][[User talk:Tommy-SAN|'''SAN!''']][[Special:Contributions/Tommy-SAN|'''♂''']] 02:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I think people already know how the games are going to be since like yesterday. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Pokemon Wiki probably just stole them off of someone else, sort of like how all of their info is stolen from us. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 06:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Considering they have an image of Sinnoh as their pic of Isshu (File:IsshuRegion.jpg on their site), they're not to be trusted for some stuff.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokemon ==

http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/

Would somebody like to confirm the validity of these images?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 16:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the Japanese site too with the same exact images, so.. yes, it's confirmed. That... was sudden.... ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 16:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

They are official. Reshiram, and Zekrom. Confirmed on [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/ the Japanese site] as well. [[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 16:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Is this the first time that the English and Japanese names of any Pokémon are confirmed simultaneously? This is so friggin' awesome! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 16:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's weird. Have the starters or Zoroark even been confirmed in the US yet? {{unsigned|Skaisdead}}
:::No, they haven't. And I would like to add an important piece of info on this page. It turns out that the [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/product Boxarts have been revealed] [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== European release date ==

[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/2010/pokmon_black_version_and_pokmon_white_version_for_nintendo_ds_coming_to_europe_in_spring_2011_17844.html Spring 2011 as well] '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:And that press release also confirms that these Pokémon are going to be on the cover, they state on which cover, and that they're legendaries. Fairly obvious, yes, but in here that everything needs super official confirmation, it is nice to have it (I think there had not been an official confirmation of that before this). '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 18:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's a little strange that there was no mention of they being the cover pokémon for each version in both the Japanese press (and I read the Japanese official site) or American press, but there is a quick note about it on the UK site... Even though it's obvious that they both will be on the covers, I don't really feel like this being confirmation. They just say which will appear in which game, not the cover. But maybe that's just me.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 19:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The boxart is here, for the Japanese versions:[http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/product] —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

==Website Links==
Somebody should update the links section with the new English website for these games. (http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en//) [[User:6259|62]][[User Talk:6259|59]] 21:36, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:That's the minisite. A full site will be made at http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ eventually.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Or there might be construction at http://www.pokemonbw.com/ .--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 12:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It is probably just construction because when I just tried to get onto that site IE8 said that the "site is forbidden." Probably, it will be up in the next few days. Thanks for the update. [[User:6259|62]][[User Talk:6259|59]] 21:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::It's http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ . Trust me. Please put this on the page.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 17:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::And now, as per coding on Pokemon.com, it's confirmed. Adding to page.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should we add that this is the first time the games have been revealed in America before the Japanese games actually came out? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 18:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:No. HGSS were the first games...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 18:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

we could put that reshiram and zekrom were the first pokemon to be revealed around the world at the same time in japan?
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC))
:Why here though? Irrelevant... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::As for the part about Reshiram and Zekrom, it's already added on their articles that are currently in my [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Reshiram (Pokémon)|sand]][[User:Jello/Sandbox/Zekrom (Pokémon)|box]]. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==DS or 3DS==
Despite this article saying that this game can be played on Nintendo DS, I read the page [[Nintendo 3DS]], and saw that the game is played on 3DS not DS. Or is it the game can be played by both DS or 3DS? I am confused. Can somebody tell whether this game is played on DS or 3DS?

[[User:Tetrix|Tetrix]] 09:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:This game is going to release on DS. Check out the official cover boxes of both games, it's DS. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 09:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::But yes, it should be able to be played on the 3DS anyway; Nintendo has confirmed that most DS games can be played on the 3DS. Whether it's enhanced in any way by this remains to be seen. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Zekrom Link ==

The link that's supposed to link to Zekrom under the boxarts apparently leads to a page that does not exist, but when you click it, it does lead to Zekrom's Pokemon page. I assume someone made the links before they created the Zekrom page, so it stayed red. Could somebody please change this?--[[User:MewSoul|MewSoul]] 14:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:All you have to do is purge the page. That makes the most current revision appear. You can purge the page by pressing the clock next to your username. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Slight edit. ==

The first paragraphs of the article:

''In addition, Pokémon battles will be fully animated, with Pokémon on both sides constantly moving, with a dynamic camera that changes focus to highlight specific parts of the battle.''

''In addition to the improved graphics, a number of aesthetic changes have been made from previous generations, including an altered battle scene, speech balloons for dialog, and a combined Pokémon Center and Poké Mart building.''

Are almost the same, I suggest merging this into one paragraph, so we don't fall into redundances. [[User:Masatoshi|'''聖人''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''wat''''']] 18:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Names in other languages ==

===In other languages===
{{langtable|color={{white color light}}|bordercolor={{black color}}
|ja=ポケットモンスターブラック・ホワイト
|fr=Pokémon Version Noire et Version Blanche
|de=Pokémon Schwarze Edition und Weiβe Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Nera e Versione Bianca
|es=Pokémon Edición Negra y Edición Blanca}}

Since the games have been announced internationally, with the current exception being South Korea, can an admin add this to the article, please? [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, we got a problem here with the background color. We need the background to be white, or at least, ghost white... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
::Can someone add this to the article? It is supposed to be there. Also, I think the colors I changed it to look better. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:26, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to note that the symbol in "Weisse" (β) on the German name is actually a beta, which is a Greek letter and not the Eszett in German. The correct symbol for the Eszett is "ß". Could somebody change this? I would, but it's not letting me edit the page for some reason. - [[User:JWhitt|J]][[User_talk:JWhitt|Whitt]] 11:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Changed. Thanks for pointing it out. The reason that you couldn't edit it is that it has been protected to prevent speculation from being added. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== 3D Buildings? ==

Did anybody else notice that the inside of the Pokémon Center is 3D? Should we add that information? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 16:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Release date! ==

Pokemon Sunday revealed that the release date for Black and White in Japan is September 18th, 2010. Can someone please edit this in? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 23:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:53, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Inverted Pairings ==

Generation V is the first time that the pairings between version color and version mascot are '''inverted'''. (I.E. Reshiram, the White Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon Black while Zekrom, the Black Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon White.)--[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, it is some Honkey <s>shit</s> crap. --[[User:Zelrio|Zelrio]] 13:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::I think that's to fit the "Ying Yang" thing. Reshiram being the white circle in the black, and Zekrom being the black circle in the white. --[[User:KengoMel|KengoMel]] 10:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

==Chiramyi==
Someone edited the page, claiming this to be the correct romanisation. However, nowhere else is this used, and Chiramii is a more accurate romanisation for before the official one is released. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== New stuff in the new Oha Suta trailer ==

*Features
**Pokémon Musicals: Appear to be Super Contests in all but name.
**PokéShifter: Already reported on. Apparently a Pal Park analogue.
*Pokémon
**A fawn
**A swan
**Miruhog (ミルホッグ): From "見る" (''miru'', to watch) and "groundhog". Obvious Minezumi evolution
*Moves
**Fire Oath (ほのおのちかい): Fire-type, 10 PP
**Nitro Charge (ニトロチャージ): Fire-type, 20 PP
**Grass Mixer (グラスミキサー): Grass-type, 10 PP
**Grass Oath (くさのちかい): Grass-type, 10 PP
**[[Blastoise (Secret Wonders 2)|Waterlog]] (みずびだし): [presumably] Water-type
*Trainer classes
**American football player
**Nurse
**Some guy with a big backpack, but he's not a bear like previous Hikers
**Baker
**Tightrope walker?
*Places
**Battle Subway
—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== No walking Pokémon?? ==

So far none of the revealed images show walking Pokémon. Maybe the walking with Pokémon is just optional now but still I would think there would've been some images showing the trainer walking with Pokémon by now. (Show previous generation Pokémon walking to avoid revealing new ones too soon) If there is no walking with Pokémon in this game, I'll be a bit crushed. That feature was so fun in HeartGold and SoulSilver. I mean, these new games can very well use the Pokemon sprites from HG/SS. But if the feature is to be revealed as included in the future, would it be worth mentioning that it's the first Pokémon game with a walk with Pokémon feature that makes the feature optional? (Option to recall/send out Pokemon manually) --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 10:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, that might mean that out OD sprites on every template will have to be replaced. Damn, they look way better than the MS ones. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 10:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Removing features. ==

I Noticed in various videos promoting the game, Pokemon do not follow the trainer around as they did in HeartGold and SoulSilver. Was this feature just bound to that selection of games? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 20:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:The section directly above talks about the same thing. This sort of question is better for the forums. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:29, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

==EP links==
The Spanish link should instead lead to [[:es:Pokémon Ediciones Negra y Blanca]], and the Portuguese link that should be there is [[:pt:Pokémon Black e White]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== Infobox game ==

Well, that template gets messed up with the gallery, can anyone fix it? [[User:Masatoshi|'''Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''Discuss.''''']] 06:37, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any issue with it. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Gοlden]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|pelt]] 07:12, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:The infobox and gallery are too wide, so it forces the gallery below the infobox's end. Maybe you have a wider screen than me and Masatoshi do.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:15, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::Oh. The way it was worded, it seemed like they were saying that the template got messed up. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Gοlden]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|pelt]] 07:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Watch ==

At about 4:33 a new Pokémon can be seen and there is tons of gameplay elements.. also the evolution sequence. I'm pretty sure this is reliable and it has tons of info.
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGn4EkM5CVU]
--[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:Those new Pokémon are Denchura, Doryuuzu, and Ononokusu. We've seen them before, but there's not enough information for us to have articles on them. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 17:06, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
::Also, it's been already mentioned in the news [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ads_for_Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_and_White_feature_unseen_footage here]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 17:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Famitsu ==

Apparently, the new Famitsu issue came out, and Black and White received a 40/40. Since this is the first set of games that got this rating (the highest thus far I think was a 37/40 (what game, I'm not sure), I figure that might be included on the article, no?
[[User:MajinNecro69|MN69]] 03:28, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:If this is added, then a Bulbanews link should be added to [[n:Famitsu gives Black and White perfect score]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== Korea ==

Korean version has been announced several days ago. The titles are, as expected 포켓몬스터 블랙 and 포켓몬스터 화이트. The time of release - Spring 2011. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== This theme is "Opposite poles(対極)". ==

This theme was declared. http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/024/24648/ [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:North/South rumor confirmed! Or not really. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Platinum Entries? ==

Has anyone else noticed that it seems like all Gen I-IV Pokémon's Pokédex entries are simply copied from Platinum, or at least from Gen IV entries? Any instances where this is untrue?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 22:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
:They are all the 'Dex entries from Platinum. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 00:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Well then, there's somethin trivia-worthy.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Release date ==

Hey guys, I just went to GameFaqs today in an attempt to get Gaurdian signs (it comes out tomorrow...) and they gave me a list of games release dates. Guess what two other Pokemon games were on the List? If you guessed Pokemon Black and Pokemon white...you win. It said the release date was 04/02/11. April 2nd 2011 [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:Bulbanews it. I don't know if it's true, but a draft won't hurt. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:54, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::GameFAQs, Gamespot, and other sites always make a fake date around that time. Then HeartGold and SoulSilver ended up coming out half a month earlier. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 16:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:::They're called placeholder dates, not fake. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Back to Basics ==
Wasn't sure if it should be mentioned in the summary or its own section, but the article should mention that the creators wanted to give players the brand new feel of Red and Green/Blue all over again. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

== C-Gear ==

I was looking at the features tab, and noticed that the 3.1 C-Gear heading was empty. There was also a C-Gear page that was deleted for some reason. I found a page on Serebii.net -> http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/cgear.shtml. Could someone maybe add this in or explain what the deal is? Thanks. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 06:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:We don't currently have the info on the C-Gear because no-one has added it yet. Feel free to. And feel free to create a page for it. The one that was deleted was deleted because someone had confused it with the Live Caster, and written the article about the Live Caster. Also, please remember that other fansites are not reliable sources of info. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. I don't really use Serebii that much for "reliability", I was just seeing if any preliminary info was out there. I am not really able to make a page as I don't know anything about it, I was just wondering about the deleted page and the fact that a blank section doesn't really look right - If there's nothing to put under it, then it shouldn't be there, IMO. However, that has been remedied, and thanks for responding. You answered my question well! --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 01:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shouldn't the Famitsu thing be RECEPTION? ==

As above.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 09:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shroomish ==

It's actually exclusive to Pokémon Black. I know because I caught one. I think it might be Paras that is exclusive to Pokémon White. Just guessing cause they're mushrooms. It needs to be fixed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:25, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

== US Release Date ==

I recently found that the US release date for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions]], which is April 2, 2011. I discovered this information as I was pre-ordering them at GameStop. Is this considered a reliable source of information, and is there any way of putting the US release date on the page? Thanks! --[[User:Galladequaza|'''Gallade''']][[User:Galladequaza|'''quaza''']]
:No, it's not reliable. GameStop guesses at release dates when it comes to preorders, just so they have more to promise than the vague "Spring 2010". Until we get something from Nintendo themselves, we aren't adding any specific dates. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:33, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::Not to mention that's a Saturday and Nintendo releases new games on Sunday. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 15:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== A Bit More Trivia ==
In the trivia section, there's a note that points out many 'staples' of the series that BW do not feature (three rods, Game Corner, etc.). Isn't it worthy to add to that section that BW are also the first games that are not remakes, since the first generation, where the male protagonist's name doesn't end in "ki" (Hibiki, Yuji and Koki) and the female's name doesn't have the syllable "ka" (Haruka and Hikari)? [[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 15:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Australian Release Date ==

Is the Australian Release Date refering to Australian Spring or North Hemisphere Spring? It seems unfair that we have to wait three months after the rest of the world. [[User:Maril and Co.|Mr. Maril Of Oldale]] 00:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:The Australian minisite says "Early 2011", so I've updated the page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I assume this was put in by someone who didn't know we have Autumn when Americans have spring [[User:Maril and Co.|Mr. Maril Of Oldale]] 03:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Characters' History ==

Apparently Nintendo Dream had an interview a while back regarding the origins of some of the games' characters, such as N and the Gym Leaders. I found some translations/impressions from the interview [http://pokejungle.net/2010/11/22/character-designs-and-inspirations/ here] and [http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=6321861&postcount=24 here], but not the actual reported interview. Anyone want to search for it and place the info on the articles? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

==Possible English Release date==

This may not be correct so don't jump to conclusions yet but a flyer at gamestop listing next years game releases it listed Pokémon Black and white for '''Sunday April 17, 2011''' This seems official to me I don't think Gamestop would lie, but I'll look for furthur details. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 17:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:Gamestop's had placeholder release dates before. I'd take it with a huge-ass grain of salt. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 17:32, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well it follows the previous release date times on Sunday and in spring. Remember I did not say it was confirmed so don't tell me I'm wrong. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 17:36, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Not saying you're wrong, just saying there exists the possibility of it not being right. Plus, I'm really hoping for a March release date. It's earlier. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 20:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Gamestop used placeholders all the time. They gave three different HG/SS dates and two different Guardian Signs dates. Those release date books they have aren't the most reliable. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 01:47, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

== New PBW Template ==

I don't know how to make templates but I have an idea. It might look messy but you never know. Since there are no walking Pokémon in PBW could there be separate party templates for Gen V and Gen I-IV, Gen V with MS sprites and Gen I-IV with OD sprites? —[[User:Strongriver|強力な]][[User talk:Strongriver|河川]][[Special:Contributions/Strongriver|!]] 09:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's not really relevant to this page. It would look very messy, especially considering that some pages have two party templates. I think that it is best to just leave it the way it is. Hopefully we get OD sprites in another Generation V game. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

=={{template|Infobox_game}} template ==
Right now game titles are writen with black font on almost black background, it's kinda hard to read. If one to swap ''colorscheme'' and ''bordercolorscheme'', titles become easier to read, but titles of subcategories (Basic Info, Ratings...) contrary harder and infobox itself looks worse and less appealing. Is there a way to change titles color to white? It would make more sense and be easier to read... --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 12:34, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:How's that? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Revolution Compatability? ==

So I'm guessing these don't work with Battle Revolution, unless the 3-D sprites, announcer voice-overs, and move cinematics are loaded from the games, which I don't think they do
[[User:ChknNuggets|ChknNuggets]] 17:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:They don't. The disclaimer on the bottom of the Japanese boxes says as such. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 09:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia: Catching version mascot? ==

The Trivia section states that the game requires the player to catch Reshiram/Zekrom in order to continue the plot ... but back in ''Ruby/Sapphire'' the player had to fight Groudon or Kyogre as part of the story, and in ''HeartGold/SoulSilver'' the player is required to battle their version mascot before they can surf out of New Bark Town and proceed towards Victory Road.

So does this mean the player is specifically required to ''catch'' their version mascot, and not merely face it in a battle? If so, Black/White are indeed the first generation to do this, but as the US release isn't for another few months, that's just a guess and I could be wrong. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 07:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)''
:I think that it was clear enough before. It said "required to catch", so I don't see that as misleading. In the other games where you have to battle the version mascot, you are not "required to catch" them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== ? ==

Do these games require 3DS, or does a normal DS Lite run these games? Just askin' before I make the decision to purchase either game. =) --[[User:Neekerisanni123|Sanni]] 16:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:Any console with "DS" in its name works.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 16:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== Glitch ==

There seems to be a glitch with the main infobox in this article; the words "Black" and "White" in the heading are overlapping. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:46, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's probably just your browser. Everything looks fine to me. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 19:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, that's right. . . that was pointed out to me before, but I couldn't figure out why it was doing that. The only thing I could think of now was IE stacking the tables which were all in the same cell, which it shouldn't be doing anyway. I separated them into separate cells, so it should be all fixed now. Hopefully I haven't introduced any other bugs. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
The trivia states that these games are the first games since yellow to be named after colours but black and white are not actually colours ([[User:Matty19892009|Matty19892009]] 14:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC))
:New comments to the bottom please. And if they aren't colours, would you mind telling me what colour this text is? How about this text? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, and don't even mention Gold and Silver being colors. I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be named after the minerals of gold and silver. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee]] [[Special:Random|§]] [[User talk:BeeBwakka|Bwakka]] 01:36, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Actually, Gold and Silver are named after the colors. In Japanese, there is a distinction between Gold and Silver as metals and as colors, and the games use the colors in their names. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Antiwar ideas that stay in Pokémon Black and White ==

The developer included antiwar ideas to Pokémon Black and White. [http://www22.atwiki.jp/bwhuman?cmd=upload&act=open&pageid=48&file=%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F6.jpg]
The name of the magazine is Da Vinci.[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=244][[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Game Informer Review ==

Game Informer gave the games a 8.75 out of 10 in the issue I just got today.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 00:10, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

It has been a few days since I added the above and since it was not changed I am adding it now. Feel free to rewrite it to be better than what I have done.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 22:45, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you. Next time you find out something new, feel free to add it right away :) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:00, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought you guys did the table thing for reviews like on Wikipedia so I posted this before checking but since it is only text here I am glad since I cannot do the tables on a wiki to save my life. I will keep looking for more reviews.I did find that videogamer.com gave the games a 9 out of 10 so I will add that as well.

== Music ==
Nobody thought to add the fact that the music changes depending on the battle situation? *Adds* [[User:PoketoaTheFirefox|PoketoaTheFirefox]] 17:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

== Doubtful source. ==

Also, some of the new Pokémon appearing in both games were designed by James Turner of Nintendo of America instead of Game Freak's design team. This is to tie up with the American feel of Black and White.

1 "James Turner" belongs to Nintendo of America.

2 This is to tie up with the American feel of Black and White.

Where is this source? "James Turner" is an employee of game freak.[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/staff/?p=204][[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Time after the other generations? ==

Should we include how many years after the previous Generations Generation V occurs?

If Gen. I and III occur at the same time, and Gen. II and and IV occur 3 years after that, then we can narrow Generation V down to happening at least 1 year after Generation II/IV due to Cynthia mentioning being beaten by the protagonist of Generation IV.

Just a thought [[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 18:41, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
:Fourth paragraph of the [[Generation V]] article:
::Generation V occurs an unknown amount of time after Generation II and Generation IV. The Team Rocket Grunt who stole the Machine Part appears, saying that while he had intended to revive Team Rocket upon returning home, he instead fell in love and had a son. Cynthia mentions visiting the Distortion World and being defeated by a young Trainer as Sinnoh League Champion.
:—[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 18:44, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah okay, i didnt notice that on the Generation V Page.
[[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 18:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Special DSi Bundle ==

Do we have information on the new DSi bundles anywhere on the site? They just got confirmed by IGN, but I wasn't sure if it was official before. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 22:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:I checked and it wasn't, so I put it there. --[[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 16:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
::GAME in the UK have been advertising them for about two weeks or so. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 01:05, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White getting new features on the 3DS? ==

As we know now, the the 3DS has been released in Japan (http://ds.ign.com/articles/115/1152699p1.html). I remember reading back on IGN that Pokemon Black and White would get more features than just the DSi's features only if played on the 3DS instead (can't find the page to link to, but I swear I saw something like that). Has anyone actually tested Black or White on a 3DS to see if anything gets added? I know the games have Infrared, but the 3DS only has that. If we find 3DS exclusive features, maybe we could note that in the article somewhere. [[User:RedLuigi|RedLuigi]] 00:29, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:IGN was wrong. The creators of the games confirmed there were no 3DS features. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:32, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
::I believe that it has the same enhancements that it has on [[Nintendo DSi]] and [[Nintendo DSi XL]], where it uses the camera, and this is where the misconception came from. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:36, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see now. No wonder I couldn't find the article for it, IGN probably deleted it after realizing their mistake. [[User:RedLuigi|RedLuigi]] 16:40, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== 3rd March ==

It should also be added that people who pre-ordered early online with GAME in the UK got their copy of the game today (in most cases) [[User:Daniel1993|Daniel1993 used to be Robbo5002]] 19:40, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it shouldn't. It's very common for some people to get the games early. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== White and Black? Where did that come from? ==

''"These games are being advertised as "White and Black" instead of Black and White at Toys "R" Us."''

Um, I work at Toys "R" Us, and I can tell you that this is certainly not the case. They're being advertised as "Black and White", just like they are everywhere else. I even have a promotional display from Toys "R" Us that I got to take home that I'm looking at right now, and guess what is says? Not "White and Black".

And even if that was true, it seems like rather useless trivia, much like most of the trivia on this wiki... Seriously, a page shouldn't have 30 lines of trivia.
[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 22:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:In what country do you work in?[[User:The Sandwich Oven|That Sammich]] [[user talk:The Sandwich Oven|Omnomnom]] [[Pokémon Ranger (Ranger series)|Rangers lead the way.]] 22:43, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
::United States. Why?
[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 23:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

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==Regions?==

Do we have any word on what the new region(s) will be? It'll be based on unused portions of real-world Japan, will it? (Like [[wikipedia:Shikoku|Shikoku]], for instance?)  --[[User:Tanaka Shimoya|Tanaka Shimoya]] 06:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Not yet, but maybe soon.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 06:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::We knew the names of Diamond and Pearl back in 2005, in the earliest days of the wiki. We didn't get the name Sinnoh until after I had joined in 2006. That's how big a gap DP gave us. Given, this is due at the end of the year, but if we knew the region name '''''I WOULD HAVE SAID SO'''''. I can read Japanese, katakana specifically, and would have made that article immediately, if I knew any more than you guys do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::The region's called [[Isshu]]. [[User:Empoleo]]

== French intrawiki link ==

Hello !
Since this page is protected, can someone add ''Pokémon Noir et Blanc'' as french link, please ?
Thanks
[[User:Zhuquarnage|Zhu']] 15:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, there's a [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Pok%C3%A9mon_Noir_et_Blanc French page], and there's also a [http://www.pokewiki.de/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_und_White German page]. Somebody should definitely add those two. [[User:Wolf|Wolf]] 23:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

== Worth noting? ==

I was wondering if it was worth noting in the article that this is the first time 2 generations of Pokemon games have come out on the same system.--[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]]
:{{game|Gold and Silver|s}} were both produced as enhanced Game Boy cartridges. So ''technically'', Gen I & II are the first two generations to come out on the same system. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:20, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::Well, Gold and Silver were playable on the GB, but they were designed for and had more features on the Game Boy Color. These games (as far as we know) are being developed specifically for the DS. --[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]]
:::And these games could easily have features for the 3DS. We're not mentioning it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering if it is relevant to include in the trivia that the games were the 88th most popular searches in Google reported around 9 A.M but occupied this place around 8a.m {{Unsigned|EmpoleonMaster}}

:While that is interesting I don't think it is worthy enough to not, but how did you figure this out? It's neat. [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Pokemon1234567890]] 01:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

::Just if anyone was wondering about where i obtained the information about the searches in the internet, i just came by this information while i was doing some research about it. Only to be more exact they were classified as mild in the "hot" or popular searches in Google, there was also provided a graphic about how much this increase was but i could not obtain it. {{Unsigned|EmpoleonMaster}}

== Vehicles ==

Just thought i'd point out before it's mentioned on this page, but the shot of a bridge with cars driving underneath ISN'T the first vehicle in a Pokémon game, as most people seem to forget the moving van in the opening of the Hoenn games. A minor point, but one i always seem to remember :P [[User:Dawnshadow|Dawnshadow]] 13:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

How about the S.S. Anne Truck in the Kanto games? [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Pokemon1234567890]] 01:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:''I'' just want to point out that the Corocoro page didn't say that it was the first vehicle in the games, just that there will be a vehicle that has never been seen in the games before - it could be a unicycle for all we know. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::Hmmm.........[[Pokémon Gold and Silver beta|Skateboard]] anybody? =P --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 02:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Or even a bus system. We shouldn't assume it will be a car. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 12:01, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Irony ==

Would it be worth to note the irony in the fact that the first Pokémon games, named after ''colours'', were in ''greyscale'', and now these games, named after excessively dark and excessively light ''shades of grey'', are in third-dimensional 1900+-bit ''colour''? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 02:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:OK, that's funny. But I don't think it's too notable. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::It could probably be noted that they're the first games since Generation 1 to be named after colors, though? I know, ''technically'', white and black aren't colors, but really no one except art students cares about that. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Aren't gold and silver colors in addition to metals? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 11:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: They're all colors, except most of them are ''also'' mineral colors. I think even "Fire Red" and "Leaf Green". -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 11:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Re:"white and black aren't colors".What, since when? --[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 11:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
: White is the lack of color and black is a mixture of all colors [[User:Portuguese Old Man|Portuguese Old Man]] 20:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::Not in light. the opposite is true! :P [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 23:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Gray Version ==

Do '''''not''''' discuss that here. Just like people thought from the get-go that the third version of RS was gonna be a green gem (Emerald) and third version of DP was gonna have Giratina as a mascot (Platinum), people think from the get-go that the third version to Black and White will be Gray. Congratulations! There's a ''forum'' where you can talk about it. Bulbagarden Forums has a fifth generation subforum, and that is easily a better place to put your crappy speculation for a third version to games that don't come out until the end of the year when the ''last'' third version we got took two years after its primaries to be released. And it will be Gray if it is, because "grey" is a synonym for "old". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:No need to get your panties in a bunch. By the way, "grey" is a perfectly acceptable variant of "gray." --[[User:Zelrio|Zelrio]] 16:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::Uh, I think TTEchidna's a male. [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 15:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude, old discussion is old.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary dogs to unlock feature in Black/White ==

As seen in recent Pokémon news, [[shiny]] [[legendary beasts]], to be given away at the [[m13|new movie's]] premiere in Japan, will unlock a feature in the upcoming Black and White. This info also tells us it will somehow be compatible for trade between {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, {{game|Platinum}}, and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.

They have unique moves that are not normally known by {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Suicune}} and {{p|Entei}}. Raikou will know {{m|Zap Cannon}}, {{m|Aura Sphere}}, and {{m|Weather Ball}} and will hold the [[Micle berry]]; Suicune will know {{m|Sheer Cold}}, {{m|Air Slash}}, and {{m|Aqua Ring}} and will hold the [[Rowap berry]]; and Entei will know {{m|Flare Blitz}}, {{m|Howl}}, and {{m|Crush Claw}} and will hold the [[Custap berry]]. All three will also know {{m|Extremespeed}}.

Please add this! - [[User:050294|050294]] 14:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Gameplay footage released on Pokémon Sunday ==

Pokémon Sunday released footage of the female player walking in a 3D city that had some {{p|Pikachu}} animated billboards.

Video seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK8AYptQHpg&fmt=18 here]. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:You sure that was animated? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 04:21, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::I just checked that and the billboard above the Pokémon Center in that city is pretty stationary, it is a Pikachu billboard though. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 04:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh well. I guess I was seeing things. - [[User:050294|050294]] 07:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::::So I guess your Pokemon wont follow you anymore... [[User:Blade Bro.|Blade Bro.]]
:Maybe, maybe not. Let's leave the speculation to the forums.... *points at banner at the top of the page* —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== What Is This For? ==

Is this for the soon-to-be-released Nintendo 3DS or for just the normal DSs?
[[User:Legendary Catcher]] 0:57:10 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not confirmed yet, I don't think. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 00:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::Right now it appears it's for the DS, but a lot of people, such as me, think that it's going to have extra features on the 3DS. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It was confirmed for DS since before we even had the titles. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 08:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::And it says so in the article. Wow!
::::This line of correspondence is now CLOSED. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Tentative websites ==

Please put these (hidden, of course) as the possible sites for the translations:

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ for Global (placeholder)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.eu/ for Europe (redirect)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.co.uk/ for the UK(redirect)

Most likely, all registered correctly.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 01:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:It's official. These are the sites.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

::These all just redirect to the new English page. If anything is added it should be http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/ (which is the English site, by the way). --'''[[User:6259||''6259'']] 20:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu Region ==

CoroCoro just confirmed that the games will be in the Isshu Region. {{unsigned|Pokemonemerfan1954}}
:Thanks, I'll update the appropriate pages. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Pics ==

I just thought that maybe since CoroCoro showed the New Starter Pics and The New Characters they maybe could be added to the page. But im not saying they should forcibly. [[User:CodyDelis|CodyDelis]]

== Sprites ==

http://i41.tinypic.com/2gt6pa0.png

Could someone replace the current sprites for revealed Pokémon with these? They're cleaned-up PNGs, in contrast to the ones we currently have, which still have JPG pixelization when zoomed in. And it's not letting me upload them myself, I assume because of the whole new Pokémon thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 18:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:The Archives are locked until Monday, so I suggest maybe you contact an active admin right now, if you want them uploaded.—♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== New site link ==

http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/

I can't edit the main page, so I'll let somebody who can put this on in place of the current link. (The link as it is now leads to a very old website, and this one has all the new information, etc.) [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 19:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind, the site redirects. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==

Hi. Does anyone remember me? Well, if you take a look on the PKMN Black & White Version article on the "Pokémon Wiki" on Wikia you can find other images. I suggest getting permission from the site first before using the images here. Just to let you all know! [[User:Tommy-SAN|T-SAN!]] 22:48, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:No I don't. Also, we are fine we can get our own images no need to get them from Wikia of all places. Thanks, --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::(conflicted) I do... And we just don't really consider Pokémon Wiki to be too realiable... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, whatever you guys like. I don't think of it as realiable as this one either, but you can always look at the images if you want to, it gives more of an idea of what the games will look like. --[[User:Tommy-SAN|'''T☆MMY''']][[User talk:Tommy-SAN|'''SAN!''']][[Special:Contributions/Tommy-SAN|'''♂''']] 02:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I think people already know how the games are going to be since like yesterday. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Pokemon Wiki probably just stole them off of someone else, sort of like how all of their info is stolen from us. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 06:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Considering they have an image of Sinnoh as their pic of Isshu (File:IsshuRegion.jpg on their site), they're not to be trusted for some stuff.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokemon ==

http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/

Would somebody like to confirm the validity of these images?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 16:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the Japanese site too with the same exact images, so.. yes, it's confirmed. That... was sudden.... ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 16:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

They are official. Reshiram, and Zekrom. Confirmed on [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/ the Japanese site] as well. [[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 16:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Is this the first time that the English and Japanese names of any Pokémon are confirmed simultaneously? This is so friggin' awesome! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 16:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's weird. Have the starters or Zoroark even been confirmed in the US yet? {{unsigned|Skaisdead}}
:::No, they haven't. And I would like to add an important piece of info on this page. It turns out that the [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/product Boxarts have been revealed] [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== European release date ==

[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/2010/pokmon_black_version_and_pokmon_white_version_for_nintendo_ds_coming_to_europe_in_spring_2011_17844.html Spring 2011 as well] '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:And that press release also confirms that these Pokémon are going to be on the cover, they state on which cover, and that they're legendaries. Fairly obvious, yes, but in here that everything needs super official confirmation, it is nice to have it (I think there had not been an official confirmation of that before this). '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 18:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's a little strange that there was no mention of they being the cover pokémon for each version in both the Japanese press (and I read the Japanese official site) or American press, but there is a quick note about it on the UK site... Even though it's obvious that they both will be on the covers, I don't really feel like this being confirmation. They just say which will appear in which game, not the cover. But maybe that's just me.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 19:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The boxart is here, for the Japanese versions:[http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/product] —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

==Website Links==
Somebody should update the links section with the new English website for these games. (http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en//) [[User:6259|62]][[User Talk:6259|59]] 21:36, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:That's the minisite. A full site will be made at http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ eventually.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Or there might be construction at http://www.pokemonbw.com/ .--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 12:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It is probably just construction because when I just tried to get onto that site IE8 said that the "site is forbidden." Probably, it will be up in the next few days. Thanks for the update. [[User:6259|62]][[User Talk:6259|59]] 21:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::It's http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ . Trust me. Please put this on the page.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 17:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::And now, as per coding on Pokemon.com, it's confirmed. Adding to page.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should we add that this is the first time the games have been revealed in America before the Japanese games actually came out? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 18:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:No. HGSS were the first games...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 18:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

we could put that reshiram and zekrom were the first pokemon to be revealed around the world at the same time in japan?
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC))
:Why here though? Irrelevant... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::As for the part about Reshiram and Zekrom, it's already added on their articles that are currently in my [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Reshiram (Pokémon)|sand]][[User:Jello/Sandbox/Zekrom (Pokémon)|box]]. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==DS or 3DS==
Despite this article saying that this game can be played on Nintendo DS, I read the page [[Nintendo 3DS]], and saw that the game is played on 3DS not DS. Or is it the game can be played by both DS or 3DS? I am confused. Can somebody tell whether this game is played on DS or 3DS?

[[User:Tetrix|Tetrix]] 09:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:This game is going to release on DS. Check out the official cover boxes of both games, it's DS. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 09:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::But yes, it should be able to be played on the 3DS anyway; Nintendo has confirmed that most DS games can be played on the 3DS. Whether it's enhanced in any way by this remains to be seen. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Zekrom Link ==

The link that's supposed to link to Zekrom under the boxarts apparently leads to a page that does not exist, but when you click it, it does lead to Zekrom's Pokemon page. I assume someone made the links before they created the Zekrom page, so it stayed red. Could somebody please change this?--[[User:MewSoul|MewSoul]] 14:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:All you have to do is purge the page. That makes the most current revision appear. You can purge the page by pressing the clock next to your username. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Slight edit. ==

The first paragraphs of the article:

''In addition, Pokémon battles will be fully animated, with Pokémon on both sides constantly moving, with a dynamic camera that changes focus to highlight specific parts of the battle.''

''In addition to the improved graphics, a number of aesthetic changes have been made from previous generations, including an altered battle scene, speech balloons for dialog, and a combined Pokémon Center and Poké Mart building.''

Are almost the same, I suggest merging this into one paragraph, so we don't fall into redundances. [[User:Masatoshi|'''聖人''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''wat''''']] 18:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Names in other languages ==

===In other languages===
{{langtable|color={{white color light}}|bordercolor={{black color}}
|ja=ポケットモンスターブラック・ホワイト
|fr=Pokémon Version Noire et Version Blanche
|de=Pokémon Schwarze Edition und Weiβe Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Nera e Versione Bianca
|es=Pokémon Edición Negra y Edición Blanca}}

Since the games have been announced internationally, with the current exception being South Korea, can an admin add this to the article, please? [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, we got a problem here with the background color. We need the background to be white, or at least, ghost white... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
::Can someone add this to the article? It is supposed to be there. Also, I think the colors I changed it to look better. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:26, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to note that the symbol in "Weisse" (β) on the German name is actually a beta, which is a Greek letter and not the Eszett in German. The correct symbol for the Eszett is "ß". Could somebody change this? I would, but it's not letting me edit the page for some reason. - [[User:JWhitt|J]][[User_talk:JWhitt|Whitt]] 11:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Changed. Thanks for pointing it out. The reason that you couldn't edit it is that it has been protected to prevent speculation from being added. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== 3D Buildings? ==

Did anybody else notice that the inside of the Pokémon Center is 3D? Should we add that information? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 16:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Release date! ==

Pokemon Sunday revealed that the release date for Black and White in Japan is September 18th, 2010. Can someone please edit this in? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 23:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:53, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Inverted Pairings ==

Generation V is the first time that the pairings between version color and version mascot are '''inverted'''. (I.E. Reshiram, the White Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon Black while Zekrom, the Black Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon White.)--[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, it is some Honkey <s>shit</s> crap. --[[User:Zelrio|Zelrio]] 13:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::I think that's to fit the "Ying Yang" thing. Reshiram being the white circle in the black, and Zekrom being the black circle in the white. --[[User:KengoMel|KengoMel]] 10:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

==Chiramyi==
Someone edited the page, claiming this to be the correct romanisation. However, nowhere else is this used, and Chiramii is a more accurate romanisation for before the official one is released. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== New stuff in the new Oha Suta trailer ==

*Features
**Pokémon Musicals: Appear to be Super Contests in all but name.
**PokéShifter: Already reported on. Apparently a Pal Park analogue.
*Pokémon
**A fawn
**A swan
**Miruhog (ミルホッグ): From "見る" (''miru'', to watch) and "groundhog". Obvious Minezumi evolution
*Moves
**Fire Oath (ほのおのちかい): Fire-type, 10 PP
**Nitro Charge (ニトロチャージ): Fire-type, 20 PP
**Grass Mixer (グラスミキサー): Grass-type, 10 PP
**Grass Oath (くさのちかい): Grass-type, 10 PP
**[[Blastoise (Secret Wonders 2)|Waterlog]] (みずびだし): [presumably] Water-type
*Trainer classes
**American football player
**Nurse
**Some guy with a big backpack, but he's not a bear like previous Hikers
**Baker
**Tightrope walker?
*Places
**Battle Subway
—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== No walking Pokémon?? ==

So far none of the revealed images show walking Pokémon. Maybe the walking with Pokémon is just optional now but still I would think there would've been some images showing the trainer walking with Pokémon by now. (Show previous generation Pokémon walking to avoid revealing new ones too soon) If there is no walking with Pokémon in this game, I'll be a bit crushed. That feature was so fun in HeartGold and SoulSilver. I mean, these new games can very well use the Pokemon sprites from HG/SS. But if the feature is to be revealed as included in the future, would it be worth mentioning that it's the first Pokémon game with a walk with Pokémon feature that makes the feature optional? (Option to recall/send out Pokemon manually) --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 10:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, that might mean that out OD sprites on every template will have to be replaced. Damn, they look way better than the MS ones. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 10:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Removing features. ==

I Noticed in various videos promoting the game, Pokemon do not follow the trainer around as they did in HeartGold and SoulSilver. Was this feature just bound to that selection of games? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 20:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:The section directly above talks about the same thing. This sort of question is better for the forums. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:29, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

==EP links==
The Spanish link should instead lead to [[:es:Pokémon Ediciones Negra y Blanca]], and the Portuguese link that should be there is [[:pt:Pokémon Black e White]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== Infobox game ==

Well, that template gets messed up with the gallery, can anyone fix it? [[User:Masatoshi|'''Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''Discuss.''''']] 06:37, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any issue with it. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Gοlden]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|pelt]] 07:12, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:The infobox and gallery are too wide, so it forces the gallery below the infobox's end. Maybe you have a wider screen than me and Masatoshi do.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:15, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::Oh. The way it was worded, it seemed like they were saying that the template got messed up. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Gοlden]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|pelt]] 07:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Watch ==

At about 4:33 a new Pokémon can be seen and there is tons of gameplay elements.. also the evolution sequence. I'm pretty sure this is reliable and it has tons of info.
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGn4EkM5CVU]
--[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:Those new Pokémon are Denchura, Doryuuzu, and Ononokusu. We've seen them before, but there's not enough information for us to have articles on them. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 17:06, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
::Also, it's been already mentioned in the news [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ads_for_Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_and_White_feature_unseen_footage here]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 17:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Famitsu ==

Apparently, the new Famitsu issue came out, and Black and White received a 40/40. Since this is the first set of games that got this rating (the highest thus far I think was a 37/40 (what game, I'm not sure), I figure that might be included on the article, no?
[[User:MajinNecro69|MN69]] 03:28, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:If this is added, then a Bulbanews link should be added to [[n:Famitsu gives Black and White perfect score]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== Korea ==

Korean version has been announced several days ago. The titles are, as expected 포켓몬스터 블랙 and 포켓몬스터 화이트. The time of release - Spring 2011. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== This theme is "Opposite poles(対極)". ==

This theme was declared. http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/024/24648/ [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:North/South rumor confirmed! Or not really. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Platinum Entries? ==

Has anyone else noticed that it seems like all Gen I-IV Pokémon's Pokédex entries are simply copied from Platinum, or at least from Gen IV entries? Any instances where this is untrue?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 22:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
:They are all the 'Dex entries from Platinum. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 00:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Well then, there's somethin trivia-worthy.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Release date ==

Hey guys, I just went to GameFaqs today in an attempt to get Gaurdian signs (it comes out tomorrow...) and they gave me a list of games release dates. Guess what two other Pokemon games were on the List? If you guessed Pokemon Black and Pokemon white...you win. It said the release date was 04/02/11. April 2nd 2011 [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:Bulbanews it. I don't know if it's true, but a draft won't hurt. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:54, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::GameFAQs, Gamespot, and other sites always make a fake date around that time. Then HeartGold and SoulSilver ended up coming out half a month earlier. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 16:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:::They're called placeholder dates, not fake. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Back to Basics ==
Wasn't sure if it should be mentioned in the summary or its own section, but the article should mention that the creators wanted to give players the brand new feel of Red and Green/Blue all over again. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

== C-Gear ==

I was looking at the features tab, and noticed that the 3.1 C-Gear heading was empty. There was also a C-Gear page that was deleted for some reason. I found a page on Serebii.net -> http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/cgear.shtml. Could someone maybe add this in or explain what the deal is? Thanks. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 06:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:We don't currently have the info on the C-Gear because no-one has added it yet. Feel free to. And feel free to create a page for it. The one that was deleted was deleted because someone had confused it with the Live Caster, and written the article about the Live Caster. Also, please remember that other fansites are not reliable sources of info. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. I don't really use Serebii that much for "reliability", I was just seeing if any preliminary info was out there. I am not really able to make a page as I don't know anything about it, I was just wondering about the deleted page and the fact that a blank section doesn't really look right - If there's nothing to put under it, then it shouldn't be there, IMO. However, that has been remedied, and thanks for responding. You answered my question well! --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 01:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shouldn't the Famitsu thing be RECEPTION? ==

As above.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 09:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shroomish ==

It's actually exclusive to Pokémon Black. I know because I caught one. I think it might be Paras that is exclusive to Pokémon White. Just guessing cause they're mushrooms. It needs to be fixed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:25, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

== US Release Date ==

I recently found that the US release date for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions]], which is April 2, 2011. I discovered this information as I was pre-ordering them at GameStop. Is this considered a reliable source of information, and is there any way of putting the US release date on the page? Thanks! --[[User:Galladequaza|'''Gallade''']][[User:Galladequaza|'''quaza''']]
:No, it's not reliable. GameStop guesses at release dates when it comes to preorders, just so they have more to promise than the vague "Spring 2010". Until we get something from Nintendo themselves, we aren't adding any specific dates. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:33, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::Not to mention that's a Saturday and Nintendo releases new games on Sunday. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 15:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== A Bit More Trivia ==
In the trivia section, there's a note that points out many 'staples' of the series that BW do not feature (three rods, Game Corner, etc.). Isn't it worthy to add to that section that BW are also the first games that are not remakes, since the first generation, where the male protagonist's name doesn't end in "ki" (Hibiki, Yuji and Koki) and the female's name doesn't have the syllable "ka" (Haruka and Hikari)? [[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 15:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Australian Release Date ==

Is the Australian Release Date refering to Australian Spring or North Hemisphere Spring? It seems unfair that we have to wait three months after the rest of the world. [[User:Maril and Co.|Mr. Maril Of Oldale]] 00:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:The Australian minisite says "Early 2011", so I've updated the page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I assume this was put in by someone who didn't know we have Autumn when Americans have spring [[User:Maril and Co.|Mr. Maril Of Oldale]] 03:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Characters' History ==

Apparently Nintendo Dream had an interview a while back regarding the origins of some of the games' characters, such as N and the Gym Leaders. I found some translations/impressions from the interview [http://pokejungle.net/2010/11/22/character-designs-and-inspirations/ here] and [http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=6321861&postcount=24 here], but not the actual reported interview. Anyone want to search for it and place the info on the articles? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

==Possible English Release date==

This may not be correct so don't jump to conclusions yet but a flyer at gamestop listing next years game releases it listed Pokémon Black and white for '''Sunday April 17, 2011''' This seems official to me I don't think Gamestop would lie, but I'll look for furthur details. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 17:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:Gamestop's had placeholder release dates before. I'd take it with a huge-ass grain of salt. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 17:32, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well it follows the previous release date times on Sunday and in spring. Remember I did not say it was confirmed so don't tell me I'm wrong. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 17:36, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Not saying you're wrong, just saying there exists the possibility of it not being right. Plus, I'm really hoping for a March release date. It's earlier. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 20:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Gamestop used placeholders all the time. They gave three different HG/SS dates and two different Guardian Signs dates. Those release date books they have aren't the most reliable. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 01:47, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

== New PBW Template ==

I don't know how to make templates but I have an idea. It might look messy but you never know. Since there are no walking Pokémon in PBW could there be separate party templates for Gen V and Gen I-IV, Gen V with MS sprites and Gen I-IV with OD sprites? —[[User:Strongriver|強力な]][[User talk:Strongriver|河川]][[Special:Contributions/Strongriver|!]] 09:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's not really relevant to this page. It would look very messy, especially considering that some pages have two party templates. I think that it is best to just leave it the way it is. Hopefully we get OD sprites in another Generation V game. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

=={{template|Infobox_game}} template ==
Right now game titles are writen with black font on almost black background, it's kinda hard to read. If one to swap ''colorscheme'' and ''bordercolorscheme'', titles become easier to read, but titles of subcategories (Basic Info, Ratings...) contrary harder and infobox itself looks worse and less appealing. Is there a way to change titles color to white? It would make more sense and be easier to read... --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 12:34, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:How's that? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Revolution Compatability? ==

So I'm guessing these don't work with Battle Revolution, unless the 3-D sprites, announcer voice-overs, and move cinematics are loaded from the games, which I don't think they do
[[User:ChknNuggets|ChknNuggets]] 17:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:They don't. The disclaimer on the bottom of the Japanese boxes says as such. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 09:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia: Catching version mascot? ==

The Trivia section states that the game requires the player to catch Reshiram/Zekrom in order to continue the plot ... but back in ''Ruby/Sapphire'' the player had to fight Groudon or Kyogre as part of the story, and in ''HeartGold/SoulSilver'' the player is required to battle their version mascot before they can surf out of New Bark Town and proceed towards Victory Road.

So does this mean the player is specifically required to ''catch'' their version mascot, and not merely face it in a battle? If so, Black/White are indeed the first generation to do this, but as the US release isn't for another few months, that's just a guess and I could be wrong. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 07:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)''
:I think that it was clear enough before. It said "required to catch", so I don't see that as misleading. In the other games where you have to battle the version mascot, you are not "required to catch" them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== ? ==

Do these games require 3DS, or does a normal DS Lite run these games? Just askin' before I make the decision to purchase either game. =) --[[User:Neekerisanni123|Sanni]] 16:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:Any console with "DS" in its name works.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 16:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== Glitch ==

There seems to be a glitch with the main infobox in this article; the words "Black" and "White" in the heading are overlapping. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:46, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's probably just your browser. Everything looks fine to me. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 19:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, that's right. . . that was pointed out to me before, but I couldn't figure out why it was doing that. The only thing I could think of now was IE stacking the tables which were all in the same cell, which it shouldn't be doing anyway. I separated them into separate cells, so it should be all fixed now. Hopefully I haven't introduced any other bugs. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
The trivia states that these games are the first games since yellow to be named after colours but black and white are not actually colours ([[User:Matty19892009|Matty19892009]] 14:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC))
:New comments to the bottom please. And if they aren't colours, would you mind telling me what colour this text is? How about this text? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, and don't even mention Gold and Silver being colors. I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be named after the minerals of gold and silver. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee]] [[Special:Random|§]] [[User talk:BeeBwakka|Bwakka]] 01:36, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Actually, Gold and Silver are named after the colors. In Japanese, there is a distinction between Gold and Silver as metals and as colors, and the games use the colors in their names. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Antiwar ideas that stay in Pokémon Black and White ==

The developer included antiwar ideas to Pokémon Black and White. [http://www22.atwiki.jp/bwhuman?cmd=upload&act=open&pageid=48&file=%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F6.jpg]
The name of the magazine is Da Vinci.[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=244][[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Game Informer Review ==

Game Informer gave the games a 8.75 out of 10 in the issue I just got today.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 00:10, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

It has been a few days since I added the above and since it was not changed I am adding it now. Feel free to rewrite it to be better than what I have done.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 22:45, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you. Next time you find out something new, feel free to add it right away :) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:00, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought you guys did the table thing for reviews like on Wikipedia so I posted this before checking but since it is only text here I am glad since I cannot do the tables on a wiki to save my life. I will keep looking for more reviews.I did find that videogamer.com gave the games a 9 out of 10 so I will add that as well.

== Music ==
Nobody thought to add the fact that the music changes depending on the battle situation? *Adds* [[User:PoketoaTheFirefox|PoketoaTheFirefox]] 17:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

== Doubtful source. ==

Also, some of the new Pokémon appearing in both games were designed by James Turner of Nintendo of America instead of Game Freak's design team. This is to tie up with the American feel of Black and White.

1 "James Turner" belongs to Nintendo of America.

2 This is to tie up with the American feel of Black and White.

Where is this source? "James Turner" is an employee of game freak.[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/staff/?p=204][[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Time after the other generations? ==

Should we include how many years after the previous Generations Generation V occurs?

If Gen. I and III occur at the same time, and Gen. II and and IV occur 3 years after that, then we can narrow Generation V down to happening at least 1 year after Generation II/IV due to Cynthia mentioning being beaten by the protagonist of Generation IV.

Just a thought [[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 18:41, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
:Fourth paragraph of the [[Generation V]] article:
::Generation V occurs an unknown amount of time after Generation II and Generation IV. The Team Rocket Grunt who stole the Machine Part appears, saying that while he had intended to revive Team Rocket upon returning home, he instead fell in love and had a son. Cynthia mentions visiting the Distortion World and being defeated by a young Trainer as Sinnoh League Champion.
:—[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 18:44, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah okay, i didnt notice that on the Generation V Page.
[[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 18:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Special DSi Bundle ==

Do we have information on the new DSi bundles anywhere on the site? They just got confirmed by IGN, but I wasn't sure if it was official before. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 22:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:I checked and it wasn't, so I put it there. --[[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 16:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
::GAME in the UK have been advertising them for about two weeks or so. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 01:05, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White getting new features on the 3DS? ==

As we know now, the the 3DS has been released in Japan (http://ds.ign.com/articles/115/1152699p1.html). I remember reading back on IGN that Pokemon Black and White would get more features than just the DSi's features only if played on the 3DS instead (can't find the page to link to, but I swear I saw something like that). Has anyone actually tested Black or White on a 3DS to see if anything gets added? I know the games have Infrared, but the 3DS only has that. If we find 3DS exclusive features, maybe we could note that in the article somewhere. [[User:RedLuigi|RedLuigi]] 00:29, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:IGN was wrong. The creators of the games confirmed there were no 3DS features. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:32, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
::I believe that it has the same enhancements that it has on [[Nintendo DSi]] and [[Nintendo DSi XL]], where it uses the camera, and this is where the misconception came from. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:36, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see now. No wonder I couldn't find the article for it, IGN probably deleted it after realizing their mistake. [[User:RedLuigi|RedLuigi]] 16:40, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== 3rd March ==

It should also be added that people who pre-ordered early online with GAME in the UK got their copy of the game today (in most cases) [[User:Daniel1993|Daniel1993 used to be Robbo5002]] 19:40, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it shouldn't. It's very common for some people to get the games early. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== White and Black? Where did that come from? ==

"These games are being advertised as "White and Black" instead of Black and White at Toys "R" Us."

Um, I work at Toys "R" Us, and I can tell you that this is certainly not the case. They're being advertised as "Black and White", just like they are everywhere else. I even have a promotional display from Toys "R" Us that I got to take home that I'm looking at right now, and guess what is says? Not "White and Black".

And even if that was true, it seems like rather useless trivia, much like most of the trivia on this wiki... Seriously, a page shouldn't have 30 lines of trivia.
[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 22:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

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==Regions?==

Do we have any word on what the new region(s) will be? It'll be based on unused portions of real-world Japan, will it? (Like [[wikipedia:Shikoku|Shikoku]], for instance?)  --[[User:Tanaka Shimoya|Tanaka Shimoya]] 06:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Not yet, but maybe soon.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 06:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::We knew the names of Diamond and Pearl back in 2005, in the earliest days of the wiki. We didn't get the name Sinnoh until after I had joined in 2006. That's how big a gap DP gave us. Given, this is due at the end of the year, but if we knew the region name '''''I WOULD HAVE SAID SO'''''. I can read Japanese, katakana specifically, and would have made that article immediately, if I knew any more than you guys do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::The region's called [[Isshu]]. [[User:Empoleo]]

== French intrawiki link ==

Hello !
Since this page is protected, can someone add ''Pokémon Noir et Blanc'' as french link, please ?
Thanks
[[User:Zhuquarnage|Zhu']] 15:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, there's a [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Pok%C3%A9mon_Noir_et_Blanc French page], and there's also a [http://www.pokewiki.de/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_und_White German page]. Somebody should definitely add those two. [[User:Wolf|Wolf]] 23:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

== Worth noting? ==

I was wondering if it was worth noting in the article that this is the first time 2 generations of Pokemon games have come out on the same system.--[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]]
:{{game|Gold and Silver|s}} were both produced as enhanced Game Boy cartridges. So ''technically'', Gen I & II are the first two generations to come out on the same system. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:20, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::Well, Gold and Silver were playable on the GB, but they were designed for and had more features on the Game Boy Color. These games (as far as we know) are being developed specifically for the DS. --[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]]
:::And these games could easily have features for the 3DS. We're not mentioning it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering if it is relevant to include in the trivia that the games were the 88th most popular searches in Google reported around 9 A.M but occupied this place around 8a.m {{Unsigned|EmpoleonMaster}}

:While that is interesting I don't think it is worthy enough to not, but how did you figure this out? It's neat. [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Pokemon1234567890]] 01:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

::Just if anyone was wondering about where i obtained the information about the searches in the internet, i just came by this information while i was doing some research about it. Only to be more exact they were classified as mild in the "hot" or popular searches in Google, there was also provided a graphic about how much this increase was but i could not obtain it. {{Unsigned|EmpoleonMaster}}

== Vehicles ==

Just thought i'd point out before it's mentioned on this page, but the shot of a bridge with cars driving underneath ISN'T the first vehicle in a Pokémon game, as most people seem to forget the moving van in the opening of the Hoenn games. A minor point, but one i always seem to remember :P [[User:Dawnshadow|Dawnshadow]] 13:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

How about the S.S. Anne Truck in the Kanto games? [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Pokemon1234567890]] 01:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:''I'' just want to point out that the Corocoro page didn't say that it was the first vehicle in the games, just that there will be a vehicle that has never been seen in the games before - it could be a unicycle for all we know. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::Hmmm.........[[Pokémon Gold and Silver beta|Skateboard]] anybody? =P --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 02:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Or even a bus system. We shouldn't assume it will be a car. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 12:01, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Irony ==

Would it be worth to note the irony in the fact that the first Pokémon games, named after ''colours'', were in ''greyscale'', and now these games, named after excessively dark and excessively light ''shades of grey'', are in third-dimensional 1900+-bit ''colour''? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 02:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:OK, that's funny. But I don't think it's too notable. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::It could probably be noted that they're the first games since Generation 1 to be named after colors, though? I know, ''technically'', white and black aren't colors, but really no one except art students cares about that. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Aren't gold and silver colors in addition to metals? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 11:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: They're all colors, except most of them are ''also'' mineral colors. I think even "Fire Red" and "Leaf Green". -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 11:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Re:"white and black aren't colors".What, since when? --[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 11:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
: White is the lack of color and black is a mixture of all colors [[User:Portuguese Old Man|Portuguese Old Man]] 20:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::Not in light. the opposite is true! :P [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 23:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Gray Version ==

Do '''''not''''' discuss that here. Just like people thought from the get-go that the third version of RS was gonna be a green gem (Emerald) and third version of DP was gonna have Giratina as a mascot (Platinum), people think from the get-go that the third version to Black and White will be Gray. Congratulations! There's a ''forum'' where you can talk about it. Bulbagarden Forums has a fifth generation subforum, and that is easily a better place to put your crappy speculation for a third version to games that don't come out until the end of the year when the ''last'' third version we got took two years after its primaries to be released. And it will be Gray if it is, because "grey" is a synonym for "old". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:No need to get your panties in a bunch. By the way, "grey" is a perfectly acceptable variant of "gray." --[[User:Zelrio|Zelrio]] 16:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::Uh, I think TTEchidna's a male. [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 15:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude, old discussion is old.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary dogs to unlock feature in Black/White ==

As seen in recent Pokémon news, [[shiny]] [[legendary beasts]], to be given away at the [[m13|new movie's]] premiere in Japan, will unlock a feature in the upcoming Black and White. This info also tells us it will somehow be compatible for trade between {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, {{game|Platinum}}, and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.

They have unique moves that are not normally known by {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Suicune}} and {{p|Entei}}. Raikou will know {{m|Zap Cannon}}, {{m|Aura Sphere}}, and {{m|Weather Ball}} and will hold the [[Micle berry]]; Suicune will know {{m|Sheer Cold}}, {{m|Air Slash}}, and {{m|Aqua Ring}} and will hold the [[Rowap berry]]; and Entei will know {{m|Flare Blitz}}, {{m|Howl}}, and {{m|Crush Claw}} and will hold the [[Custap berry]]. All three will also know {{m|Extremespeed}}.

Please add this! - [[User:050294|050294]] 14:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Gameplay footage released on Pokémon Sunday ==

Pokémon Sunday released footage of the female player walking in a 3D city that had some {{p|Pikachu}} animated billboards.

Video seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK8AYptQHpg&fmt=18 here]. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:You sure that was animated? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 04:21, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::I just checked that and the billboard above the Pokémon Center in that city is pretty stationary, it is a Pikachu billboard though. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 04:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh well. I guess I was seeing things. - [[User:050294|050294]] 07:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::::So I guess your Pokemon wont follow you anymore... [[User:Blade Bro.|Blade Bro.]]
:Maybe, maybe not. Let's leave the speculation to the forums.... *points at banner at the top of the page* —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== What Is This For? ==

Is this for the soon-to-be-released Nintendo 3DS or for just the normal DSs?
[[User:Legendary Catcher]] 0:57:10 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not confirmed yet, I don't think. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 00:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::Right now it appears it's for the DS, but a lot of people, such as me, think that it's going to have extra features on the 3DS. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It was confirmed for DS since before we even had the titles. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 08:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::And it says so in the article. Wow!
::::This line of correspondence is now CLOSED. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Tentative websites ==

Please put these (hidden, of course) as the possible sites for the translations:

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ for Global (placeholder)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.eu/ for Europe (redirect)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.co.uk/ for the UK(redirect)

Most likely, all registered correctly.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 01:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:It's official. These are the sites.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

::These all just redirect to the new English page. If anything is added it should be http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/ (which is the English site, by the way). --'''[[User:6259||''6259'']] 20:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu Region ==

CoroCoro just confirmed that the games will be in the Isshu Region. {{unsigned|Pokemonemerfan1954}}
:Thanks, I'll update the appropriate pages. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Pics ==

I just thought that maybe since CoroCoro showed the New Starter Pics and The New Characters they maybe could be added to the page. But im not saying they should forcibly. [[User:CodyDelis|CodyDelis]]

== Sprites ==

http://i41.tinypic.com/2gt6pa0.png

Could someone replace the current sprites for revealed Pokémon with these? They're cleaned-up PNGs, in contrast to the ones we currently have, which still have JPG pixelization when zoomed in. And it's not letting me upload them myself, I assume because of the whole new Pokémon thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 18:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:The Archives are locked until Monday, so I suggest maybe you contact an active admin right now, if you want them uploaded.—♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== New site link ==

http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/

I can't edit the main page, so I'll let somebody who can put this on in place of the current link. (The link as it is now leads to a very old website, and this one has all the new information, etc.) [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 19:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind, the site redirects. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==

Hi. Does anyone remember me? Well, if you take a look on the PKMN Black & White Version article on the "Pokémon Wiki" on Wikia you can find other images. I suggest getting permission from the site first before using the images here. Just to let you all know! [[User:Tommy-SAN|T-SAN!]] 22:48, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:No I don't. Also, we are fine we can get our own images no need to get them from Wikia of all places. Thanks, --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::(conflicted) I do... And we just don't really consider Pokémon Wiki to be too realiable... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, whatever you guys like. I don't think of it as realiable as this one either, but you can always look at the images if you want to, it gives more of an idea of what the games will look like. --[[User:Tommy-SAN|'''T☆MMY''']][[User talk:Tommy-SAN|'''SAN!''']][[Special:Contributions/Tommy-SAN|'''♂''']] 02:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I think people already know how the games are going to be since like yesterday. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Pokemon Wiki probably just stole them off of someone else, sort of like how all of their info is stolen from us. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 06:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Considering they have an image of Sinnoh as their pic of Isshu (File:IsshuRegion.jpg on their site), they're not to be trusted for some stuff.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokemon ==

http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/

Would somebody like to confirm the validity of these images?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 16:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the Japanese site too with the same exact images, so.. yes, it's confirmed. That... was sudden.... ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 16:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

They are official. Reshiram, and Zekrom. Confirmed on [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/ the Japanese site] as well. [[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 16:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Is this the first time that the English and Japanese names of any Pokémon are confirmed simultaneously? This is so friggin' awesome! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 16:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's weird. Have the starters or Zoroark even been confirmed in the US yet? {{unsigned|Skaisdead}}
:::No, they haven't. And I would like to add an important piece of info on this page. It turns out that the [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/product Boxarts have been revealed] [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== European release date ==

[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/2010/pokmon_black_version_and_pokmon_white_version_for_nintendo_ds_coming_to_europe_in_spring_2011_17844.html Spring 2011 as well] '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:And that press release also confirms that these Pokémon are going to be on the cover, they state on which cover, and that they're legendaries. Fairly obvious, yes, but in here that everything needs super official confirmation, it is nice to have it (I think there had not been an official confirmation of that before this). '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 18:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's a little strange that there was no mention of they being the cover pokémon for each version in both the Japanese press (and I read the Japanese official site) or American press, but there is a quick note about it on the UK site... Even though it's obvious that they both will be on the covers, I don't really feel like this being confirmation. They just say which will appear in which game, not the cover. But maybe that's just me.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 19:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The boxart is here, for the Japanese versions:[http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/product] —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

==Website Links==
Somebody should update the links section with the new English website for these games. (http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en//) [[User:6259|62]][[User Talk:6259|59]] 21:36, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:That's the minisite. A full site will be made at http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ eventually.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Or there might be construction at http://www.pokemonbw.com/ .--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 12:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It is probably just construction because when I just tried to get onto that site IE8 said that the "site is forbidden." Probably, it will be up in the next few days. Thanks for the update. [[User:6259|62]][[User Talk:6259|59]] 21:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::It's http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ . Trust me. Please put this on the page.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 17:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::And now, as per coding on Pokemon.com, it's confirmed. Adding to page.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should we add that this is the first time the games have been revealed in America before the Japanese games actually came out? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 18:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:No. HGSS were the first games...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 18:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

we could put that reshiram and zekrom were the first pokemon to be revealed around the world at the same time in japan?
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC))
:Why here though? Irrelevant... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::As for the part about Reshiram and Zekrom, it's already added on their articles that are currently in my [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Reshiram (Pokémon)|sand]][[User:Jello/Sandbox/Zekrom (Pokémon)|box]]. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==DS or 3DS==
Despite this article saying that this game can be played on Nintendo DS, I read the page [[Nintendo 3DS]], and saw that the game is played on 3DS not DS. Or is it the game can be played by both DS or 3DS? I am confused. Can somebody tell whether this game is played on DS or 3DS?

[[User:Tetrix|Tetrix]] 09:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:This game is going to release on DS. Check out the official cover boxes of both games, it's DS. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 09:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::But yes, it should be able to be played on the 3DS anyway; Nintendo has confirmed that most DS games can be played on the 3DS. Whether it's enhanced in any way by this remains to be seen. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Zekrom Link ==

The link that's supposed to link to Zekrom under the boxarts apparently leads to a page that does not exist, but when you click it, it does lead to Zekrom's Pokemon page. I assume someone made the links before they created the Zekrom page, so it stayed red. Could somebody please change this?--[[User:MewSoul|MewSoul]] 14:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:All you have to do is purge the page. That makes the most current revision appear. You can purge the page by pressing the clock next to your username. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Slight edit. ==

The first paragraphs of the article:

''In addition, Pokémon battles will be fully animated, with Pokémon on both sides constantly moving, with a dynamic camera that changes focus to highlight specific parts of the battle.''

''In addition to the improved graphics, a number of aesthetic changes have been made from previous generations, including an altered battle scene, speech balloons for dialog, and a combined Pokémon Center and Poké Mart building.''

Are almost the same, I suggest merging this into one paragraph, so we don't fall into redundances. [[User:Masatoshi|'''聖人''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''wat''''']] 18:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Names in other languages ==

===In other languages===
{{langtable|color={{white color light}}|bordercolor={{black color}}
|ja=ポケットモンスターブラック・ホワイト
|fr=Pokémon Version Noire et Version Blanche
|de=Pokémon Schwarze Edition und Weiβe Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Nera e Versione Bianca
|es=Pokémon Edición Negra y Edición Blanca}}

Since the games have been announced internationally, with the current exception being South Korea, can an admin add this to the article, please? [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, we got a problem here with the background color. We need the background to be white, or at least, ghost white... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
::Can someone add this to the article? It is supposed to be there. Also, I think the colors I changed it to look better. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:26, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to note that the symbol in "Weisse" (β) on the German name is actually a beta, which is a Greek letter and not the Eszett in German. The correct symbol for the Eszett is "ß". Could somebody change this? I would, but it's not letting me edit the page for some reason. - [[User:JWhitt|J]][[User_talk:JWhitt|Whitt]] 11:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Changed. Thanks for pointing it out. The reason that you couldn't edit it is that it has been protected to prevent speculation from being added. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== 3D Buildings? ==

Did anybody else notice that the inside of the Pokémon Center is 3D? Should we add that information? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 16:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Release date! ==

Pokemon Sunday revealed that the release date for Black and White in Japan is September 18th, 2010. Can someone please edit this in? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 23:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:53, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Inverted Pairings ==

Generation V is the first time that the pairings between version color and version mascot are '''inverted'''. (I.E. Reshiram, the White Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon Black while Zekrom, the Black Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon White.)--[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, it is some Honkey <s>shit</s> crap. --[[User:Zelrio|Zelrio]] 13:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::I think that's to fit the "Ying Yang" thing. Reshiram being the white circle in the black, and Zekrom being the black circle in the white. --[[User:KengoMel|KengoMel]] 10:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

==Chiramyi==
Someone edited the page, claiming this to be the correct romanisation. However, nowhere else is this used, and Chiramii is a more accurate romanisation for before the official one is released. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== New stuff in the new Oha Suta trailer ==

*Features
**Pokémon Musicals: Appear to be Super Contests in all but name.
**PokéShifter: Already reported on. Apparently a Pal Park analogue.
*Pokémon
**A fawn
**A swan
**Miruhog (ミルホッグ): From "見る" (''miru'', to watch) and "groundhog". Obvious Minezumi evolution
*Moves
**Fire Oath (ほのおのちかい): Fire-type, 10 PP
**Nitro Charge (ニトロチャージ): Fire-type, 20 PP
**Grass Mixer (グラスミキサー): Grass-type, 10 PP
**Grass Oath (くさのちかい): Grass-type, 10 PP
**[[Blastoise (Secret Wonders 2)|Waterlog]] (みずびだし): [presumably] Water-type
*Trainer classes
**American football player
**Nurse
**Some guy with a big backpack, but he's not a bear like previous Hikers
**Baker
**Tightrope walker?
*Places
**Battle Subway
—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== No walking Pokémon?? ==

So far none of the revealed images show walking Pokémon. Maybe the walking with Pokémon is just optional now but still I would think there would've been some images showing the trainer walking with Pokémon by now. (Show previous generation Pokémon walking to avoid revealing new ones too soon) If there is no walking with Pokémon in this game, I'll be a bit crushed. That feature was so fun in HeartGold and SoulSilver. I mean, these new games can very well use the Pokemon sprites from HG/SS. But if the feature is to be revealed as included in the future, would it be worth mentioning that it's the first Pokémon game with a walk with Pokémon feature that makes the feature optional? (Option to recall/send out Pokemon manually) --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 10:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, that might mean that out OD sprites on every template will have to be replaced. Damn, they look way better than the MS ones. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 10:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Removing features. ==

I Noticed in various videos promoting the game, Pokemon do not follow the trainer around as they did in HeartGold and SoulSilver. Was this feature just bound to that selection of games? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 20:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:The section directly above talks about the same thing. This sort of question is better for the forums. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:29, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

==EP links==
The Spanish link should instead lead to [[:es:Pokémon Ediciones Negra y Blanca]], and the Portuguese link that should be there is [[:pt:Pokémon Black e White]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== Infobox game ==

Well, that template gets messed up with the gallery, can anyone fix it? [[User:Masatoshi|'''Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''Discuss.''''']] 06:37, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any issue with it. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Gοlden]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|pelt]] 07:12, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:The infobox and gallery are too wide, so it forces the gallery below the infobox's end. Maybe you have a wider screen than me and Masatoshi do.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:15, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::Oh. The way it was worded, it seemed like they were saying that the template got messed up. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Gοlden]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|pelt]] 07:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Watch ==

At about 4:33 a new Pokémon can be seen and there is tons of gameplay elements.. also the evolution sequence. I'm pretty sure this is reliable and it has tons of info.
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGn4EkM5CVU]
--[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:Those new Pokémon are Denchura, Doryuuzu, and Ononokusu. We've seen them before, but there's not enough information for us to have articles on them. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 17:06, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
::Also, it's been already mentioned in the news [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ads_for_Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_and_White_feature_unseen_footage here]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 17:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Famitsu ==

Apparently, the new Famitsu issue came out, and Black and White received a 40/40. Since this is the first set of games that got this rating (the highest thus far I think was a 37/40 (what game, I'm not sure), I figure that might be included on the article, no?
[[User:MajinNecro69|MN69]] 03:28, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:If this is added, then a Bulbanews link should be added to [[n:Famitsu gives Black and White perfect score]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== Korea ==

Korean version has been announced several days ago. The titles are, as expected 포켓몬스터 블랙 and 포켓몬스터 화이트. The time of release - Spring 2011. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== This theme is "Opposite poles(対極)". ==

This theme was declared. http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/024/24648/ [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:North/South rumor confirmed! Or not really. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Platinum Entries? ==

Has anyone else noticed that it seems like all Gen I-IV Pokémon's Pokédex entries are simply copied from Platinum, or at least from Gen IV entries? Any instances where this is untrue?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 22:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
:They are all the 'Dex entries from Platinum. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 00:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Well then, there's somethin trivia-worthy.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Release date ==

Hey guys, I just went to GameFaqs today in an attempt to get Gaurdian signs (it comes out tomorrow...) and they gave me a list of games release dates. Guess what two other Pokemon games were on the List? If you guessed Pokemon Black and Pokemon white...you win. It said the release date was 04/02/11. April 2nd 2011 [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:Bulbanews it. I don't know if it's true, but a draft won't hurt. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:54, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::GameFAQs, Gamespot, and other sites always make a fake date around that time. Then HeartGold and SoulSilver ended up coming out half a month earlier. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 16:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:::They're called placeholder dates, not fake. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Back to Basics ==
Wasn't sure if it should be mentioned in the summary or its own section, but the article should mention that the creators wanted to give players the brand new feel of Red and Green/Blue all over again. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

== C-Gear ==

I was looking at the features tab, and noticed that the 3.1 C-Gear heading was empty. There was also a C-Gear page that was deleted for some reason. I found a page on Serebii.net -> http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/cgear.shtml. Could someone maybe add this in or explain what the deal is? Thanks. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 06:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:We don't currently have the info on the C-Gear because no-one has added it yet. Feel free to. And feel free to create a page for it. The one that was deleted was deleted because someone had confused it with the Live Caster, and written the article about the Live Caster. Also, please remember that other fansites are not reliable sources of info. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. I don't really use Serebii that much for "reliability", I was just seeing if any preliminary info was out there. I am not really able to make a page as I don't know anything about it, I was just wondering about the deleted page and the fact that a blank section doesn't really look right - If there's nothing to put under it, then it shouldn't be there, IMO. However, that has been remedied, and thanks for responding. You answered my question well! --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 01:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shouldn't the Famitsu thing be RECEPTION? ==

As above.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 09:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shroomish ==

It's actually exclusive to Pokémon Black. I know because I caught one. I think it might be Paras that is exclusive to Pokémon White. Just guessing cause they're mushrooms. It needs to be fixed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:25, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

== US Release Date ==

I recently found that the US release date for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions]], which is April 2, 2011. I discovered this information as I was pre-ordering them at GameStop. Is this considered a reliable source of information, and is there any way of putting the US release date on the page? Thanks! --[[User:Galladequaza|'''Gallade''']][[User:Galladequaza|'''quaza''']]
:No, it's not reliable. GameStop guesses at release dates when it comes to preorders, just so they have more to promise than the vague "Spring 2010". Until we get something from Nintendo themselves, we aren't adding any specific dates. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:33, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::Not to mention that's a Saturday and Nintendo releases new games on Sunday. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 15:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== A Bit More Trivia ==
In the trivia section, there's a note that points out many 'staples' of the series that BW do not feature (three rods, Game Corner, etc.). Isn't it worthy to add to that section that BW are also the first games that are not remakes, since the first generation, where the male protagonist's name doesn't end in "ki" (Hibiki, Yuji and Koki) and the female's name doesn't have the syllable "ka" (Haruka and Hikari)? [[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 15:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Australian Release Date ==

Is the Australian Release Date refering to Australian Spring or North Hemisphere Spring? It seems unfair that we have to wait three months after the rest of the world. [[User:Maril and Co.|Mr. Maril Of Oldale]] 00:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:The Australian minisite says "Early 2011", so I've updated the page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I assume this was put in by someone who didn't know we have Autumn when Americans have spring [[User:Maril and Co.|Mr. Maril Of Oldale]] 03:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Characters' History ==

Apparently Nintendo Dream had an interview a while back regarding the origins of some of the games' characters, such as N and the Gym Leaders. I found some translations/impressions from the interview [http://pokejungle.net/2010/11/22/character-designs-and-inspirations/ here] and [http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=6321861&postcount=24 here], but not the actual reported interview. Anyone want to search for it and place the info on the articles? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

==Possible English Release date==

This may not be correct so don't jump to conclusions yet but a flyer at gamestop listing next years game releases it listed Pokémon Black and white for '''Sunday April 17, 2011''' This seems official to me I don't think Gamestop would lie, but I'll look for furthur details. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 17:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:Gamestop's had placeholder release dates before. I'd take it with a huge-ass grain of salt. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 17:32, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well it follows the previous release date times on Sunday and in spring. Remember I did not say it was confirmed so don't tell me I'm wrong. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 17:36, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Not saying you're wrong, just saying there exists the possibility of it not being right. Plus, I'm really hoping for a March release date. It's earlier. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 20:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Gamestop used placeholders all the time. They gave three different HG/SS dates and two different Guardian Signs dates. Those release date books they have aren't the most reliable. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 01:47, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

== New PBW Template ==

I don't know how to make templates but I have an idea. It might look messy but you never know. Since there are no walking Pokémon in PBW could there be separate party templates for Gen V and Gen I-IV, Gen V with MS sprites and Gen I-IV with OD sprites? —[[User:Strongriver|強力な]][[User talk:Strongriver|河川]][[Special:Contributions/Strongriver|!]] 09:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's not really relevant to this page. It would look very messy, especially considering that some pages have two party templates. I think that it is best to just leave it the way it is. Hopefully we get OD sprites in another Generation V game. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

=={{template|Infobox_game}} template ==
Right now game titles are writen with black font on almost black background, it's kinda hard to read. If one to swap ''colorscheme'' and ''bordercolorscheme'', titles become easier to read, but titles of subcategories (Basic Info, Ratings...) contrary harder and infobox itself looks worse and less appealing. Is there a way to change titles color to white? It would make more sense and be easier to read... --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 12:34, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:How's that? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Revolution Compatability? ==

So I'm guessing these don't work with Battle Revolution, unless the 3-D sprites, announcer voice-overs, and move cinematics are loaded from the games, which I don't think they do
[[User:ChknNuggets|ChknNuggets]] 17:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:They don't. The disclaimer on the bottom of the Japanese boxes says as such. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 09:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia: Catching version mascot? ==

The Trivia section states that the game requires the player to catch Reshiram/Zekrom in order to continue the plot ... but back in ''Ruby/Sapphire'' the player had to fight Groudon or Kyogre as part of the story, and in ''HeartGold/SoulSilver'' the player is required to battle their version mascot before they can surf out of New Bark Town and proceed towards Victory Road.

So does this mean the player is specifically required to ''catch'' their version mascot, and not merely face it in a battle? If so, Black/White are indeed the first generation to do this, but as the US release isn't for another few months, that's just a guess and I could be wrong. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 07:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)''
:I think that it was clear enough before. It said "required to catch", so I don't see that as misleading. In the other games where you have to battle the version mascot, you are not "required to catch" them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== ? ==

Do these games require 3DS, or does a normal DS Lite run these games? Just askin' before I make the decision to purchase either game. =) --[[User:Neekerisanni123|Sanni]] 16:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:Any console with "DS" in its name works.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 16:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== Glitch ==

There seems to be a glitch with the main infobox in this article; the words "Black" and "White" in the heading are overlapping. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:46, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's probably just your browser. Everything looks fine to me. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 19:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, that's right. . . that was pointed out to me before, but I couldn't figure out why it was doing that. The only thing I could think of now was IE stacking the tables which were all in the same cell, which it shouldn't be doing anyway. I separated them into separate cells, so it should be all fixed now. Hopefully I haven't introduced any other bugs. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
The trivia states that these games are the first games since yellow to be named after colours but black and white are not actually colours ([[User:Matty19892009|Matty19892009]] 14:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC))
:New comments to the bottom please. And if they aren't colours, would you mind telling me what colour this text is? How about this text? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, and don't even mention Gold and Silver being colors. I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be named after the minerals of gold and silver. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee]] [[Special:Random|§]] [[User talk:BeeBwakka|Bwakka]] 01:36, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Actually, Gold and Silver are named after the colors. In Japanese, there is a distinction between Gold and Silver as metals and as colors, and the games use the colors in their names. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Antiwar ideas that stay in Pokémon Black and White ==

The developer included antiwar ideas to Pokémon Black and White. [http://www22.atwiki.jp/bwhuman?cmd=upload&act=open&pageid=48&file=%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F6.jpg]
The name of the magazine is Da Vinci.[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=244][[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Game Informer Review ==

Game Informer gave the games a 8.75 out of 10 in the issue I just got today.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 00:10, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

It has been a few days since I added the above and since it was not changed I am adding it now. Feel free to rewrite it to be better than what I have done.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 22:45, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you. Next time you find out something new, feel free to add it right away :) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:00, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought you guys did the table thing for reviews like on Wikipedia so I posted this before checking but since it is only text here I am glad since I cannot do the tables on a wiki to save my life. I will keep looking for more reviews.I did find that videogamer.com gave the games a 9 out of 10 so I will add that as well.

== Music ==
Nobody thought to add the fact that the music changes depending on the battle situation? *Adds* [[User:PoketoaTheFirefox|PoketoaTheFirefox]] 17:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

== Doubtful source. ==

Also, some of the new Pokémon appearing in both games were designed by James Turner of Nintendo of America instead of Game Freak's design team. This is to tie up with the American feel of Black and White.

1 "James Turner" belongs to Nintendo of America.

2 This is to tie up with the American feel of Black and White.

Where is this source? "James Turner" is an employee of game freak.[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/staff/?p=204][[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Time after the other generations? ==

Should we include how many years after the previous Generations Generation V occurs?

If Gen. I and III occur at the same time, and Gen. II and and IV occur 3 years after that, then we can narrow Generation V down to happening at least 1 year after Generation II/IV due to Cynthia mentioning being beaten by the protagonist of Generation IV.

Just a thought [[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 18:41, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
:Fourth paragraph of the [[Generation V]] article:
::Generation V occurs an unknown amount of time after Generation II and Generation IV. The Team Rocket Grunt who stole the Machine Part appears, saying that while he had intended to revive Team Rocket upon returning home, he instead fell in love and had a son. Cynthia mentions visiting the Distortion World and being defeated by a young Trainer as Sinnoh League Champion.
:—[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 18:44, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah okay, i didnt notice that on the Generation V Page.
[[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 18:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Special DSi Bundle ==

Do we have information on the new DSi bundles anywhere on the site? They just got confirmed by IGN, but I wasn't sure if it was official before. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 22:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:I checked and it wasn't, so I put it there. --[[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 16:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
::GAME in the UK have been advertising them for about two weeks or so. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 01:05, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Black and White getting new features on the 3DS? ==

As we know now, the the 3DS has been released in Japan (http://ds.ign.com/articles/115/1152699p1.html). I remember reading back on IGN that Pokemon Black and White would get more features than just the DSi's features only if played on the 3DS instead (can't find the page to link to, but I swear I saw something like that). Has anyone actually tested Black or White on a 3DS to see if anything gets added? I know the games have Infrared, but the 3DS only has that. If we find 3DS exclusive features, maybe we could note that in the article somewhere. [[User:RedLuigi|RedLuigi]] 00:29, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:IGN was wrong. The creators of the games confirmed there were no 3DS features. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:32, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
::I believe that it has the same enhancements that it has on [[Nintendo DSi]] and [[Nintendo DSi XL]], where it uses the camera, and this is where the misconception came from. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:36, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see now. No wonder I couldn't find the article for it, IGN probably deleted it after realizing their mistake. [[User:RedLuigi|RedLuigi]] 16:40, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== 3rd March ==

It should also be added that people who pre-ordered early online with GAME in the UK got their copy of the game today (in most cases) [[User:Daniel1993|Daniel1993 used to be Robbo5002]] 19:40, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it shouldn't. It's very common for some people to get the games early. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== White and Black? Where did that come from? ==

"These games are being advertised as "White and Black" instead of Black and White at Toys "R" Us."

Um, I work at Toys "R" Us, and I can tell you that this is certainly not the case. They're being advertised as "Black and White", just like they are everywhere else. I even have a promotional display from Toys "R" Us that I got to take home that I'm looking at right now, and guess what is says? Not "White and Black".

And even if that was true, it seems like rather useless trivia, much like most of the trivia on this wiki... Seriously, a page shouldn't have 30 lines of trivia.

Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions

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name = Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions |
boxart = [[Image:Pokemon_FireRed_boxart_EN-US.jpg|200px]][[Image:Pokemon_LeafGreen_boxart_EN-US.jpg|200px]] |
caption = Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions' boxart, [[version mascot|featuring]] {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Venusaur}}, respectively|
category = RPG |
players = up to 5 players |
release_date_ja = January 29, 2004 |
release_date_au = September 23, 2004 |
release_date_eu = October 1, 2004 |
release_date_na = September 9, 2004 |
release_date_kr = N/A|
publisher = [[Nintendo]] |
developer = [[Game Freak]] |
esrb = E for Everyone |
website_en = [http://www.pokemon.com/us/games/videogame-pokemontm-firered-version-and-pokemontm-leafgreen-version/ Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions] |
website_ja = [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/gba/fl/ ポケットモンスターファイアレッド・リーフグリーン] [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/bprj/ ポケットモンスターファイアレッド・リーフグリーン] (@Nintendo) |
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{{StrategyWiki|Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen}}
'''Pokémon FireRed Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターファイアレッド''' ''Pocket Monsters Firered'') and '''Pokémon LeafGreen Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターリーフグリーン''' ''Pocket Monsters Leafgreen'') are a pair of [[main series]] [[Generation III]] games that are set in the [[Kanto|Kanto region]]. By nature, the games are [[remake]]s of the original pair of Pokémon games, {{game|Red and Green|s}}, and so feature all of the characters, plot elements, and challenges of them, but with several important upgrades to bring them up to speed with other Generation III games.

Despite the fact that outside of Japan, [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red Version was paired with Blue Version]], LeafGreen saw release internationally. A trademark was filed for "Pokémon WaterBlue Version", however, indicating that this renaming may have been considered.

FireRed and LeafGreen went on to become the second best-selling games of the [[Game Boy Advance]], only behind {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}. They also received Nintendo's Player's Choice awards.

==Changes from Pokémon Red and Green==
* {{Player|Players}} can now play as a {{ga|Leaf|female character}}, as well as choosing to play as the {{ga|Red|male character}} that was default in [[Generation I]].
* Music has been tuned up to take advantage of the [[Game Boy Advance]]'s power; however, the themes themselves remain the same.
* As in all [[Generation III]] {{pkmn|games}}, Pokémon now have [[nature]]s, [[Ability|abilities]], [[gender]]s, and can [[held item|hold items]].
* Pokémon retain their Generation II and III [[evolution]]ary lines (e.g. {{p|Golbat}} can evolve into {{p|Crobat}}), but cannot evolve into these stages until the player has obtained the [[National Pokédex]].
* {{p|Magnemite}} and {{p|Magneton}} are {{2t|Electric|Steel}}, as they were in [[Generation II]] as well as [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby and Sapphire]].
* A new southern region, the [[Sevii Islands]], is accessible, where [[Generation II]] Pokémon can be caught.
* Pokémon can [[Pokémon breeding|breed]] in the [[Pokémon daycare]] in {{OBP|Four Island|town}} as well as still having access to the [[Pokémon daycare]] on [[Route 5]].
* {{pkmn|Trainer}}s outdoors can be rebattled using the [[Vs Seeker]].
* Information on major characters, e.g. [[Gym Leader]]s, are stored in the [[Fame Checker]].
* Pokémon movelists are updated to include moves introduced in [[Generation II]] and [[Generation III]].
* The [[TM]] list is shared with other Generation III games.
* [[Move tutors]] become available to teach moves formerly contained in [[Generation I]] TMs.
* The [[Elite Four]] can be re-battled and get {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} on their teams in addition to Generation I Pokémon after the Sevii Islands quest has been completed.
* [[Version-exclusive Pokémon]] and [[wild Pokémon]] distribution have been altered from the original games to account for new evolutions released in [[Generation II]].
* {{m|Blast Burn}}, {{m|Frenzy Plant}}, and {{m|Hydro Cannon}} are available as move tutor moves to the Kanto [[starter Pokémon|starters]]' final forms.
* {{p|Deoxys}} debuts two new forms: Attack Forme (FireRed) and Defense Forme (LeafGreen).
* [[Team Rocket]] has an expanded role in the game's post-Elite storyline, with a new base in the Sevii Islands.
* Battles with wild [[legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Moltres}}, and {{p|Mewtwo}} feature a remixed battle theme. In addition, Moltres has moved from its original location in [[Victory Road]] to [[Mt. Ember]].
* In non-Japanese versions, the dialogues are colored, depending if it is from a male or female, being the colors blue and red, respectively. In dialogues from other sources, such as signs, the text remains black.
* A resume feature was introduced, allowing players to remember the four most important events they achieved in the games the last time they were played.
* A help feature was added, and can be viewed by pressing the L or R buttons of the console.
* The [[Power Plant]] background music has been changed. In the original games, it played the {{OBP|Rocket Hideout|Celadon City}} theme. In FireRed and LeafGreen, it plays the [[Pokémon Mansion]] theme.

The [[GBA Wireless Adapter]] was initially included with the games when they were first released, eliminating the need for [[link cable]]s when trading between the two games (and later {{v2|Emerald}}).

==Plot==
The plot essentially follows the same storyline as [[Generation I]], with the {{player}} beginning in [[Pallet Town]]. After meeting [[Professor Oak]] while trying to leave for {{rt|1}}, both the player and his or her [[rival]] are asked by Oak to choose a [[starter Pokémon]], {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Charmander}}, or {{p|Squirtle}}, from the desk near him. Oak allows the player to choose first and the [[rival]] quickly gets jealous, chooses the starter whose [[Elemental types|type]] weakens that of the player's, and challenges the player to a {{pkmn|battle}}.

After the battle has ended, Oak allows the two new Trainers to leave for their journey across [[Kanto]]. Stopping off in [[Viridian City]]'s [[Poké Mart]], the player will find that a {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Oak's Parcel|package}} has come in for the professor, and the clerk asks that it be delivered to him. After this has been completed, the professor gives two [[Pokédex]]es, one for the player, and one for the rival, away to them, and sends them on their way. Viridian has a Gym; however, it is locked.

From here, the player has their first encounter with other Trainers, on {{rt|2}} and in [[Viridian Forest]], and their first encounter with a [[Gym Leader]]: [[Brock]] the {{type2|Rock}} Gym Leader of [[Pewter City]]. After his defeat, journeying along {{rt|3}} and through [[Mt. Moon]] brings the player face to face with the regional [[villainous teams|villainous team]] [[Team Rocket]], attempting to extract rare [[fossil]]s from the cave. Their defeat allows the player to continue through the cave and onto {{rt|4}}, which leads directly into [[Cerulean City]], where another [[Gym]] is. This one, however, is run by [[Misty]], and specializes on {{type2|Water}} Pokémon. To the north, as well, there are two [[route]]s leading up to [[Bill]]'s cottage, where he will give the player a ticket for the [[S.S. Anne]], a luxury ship moored in {{ci|Vermilion}} Harbor and filled with Trainers. Taking a shortcut through a house burglarized by Team Rocket, the player finally arrives at {{rt|5}}.

After traveling down Routes 5 and {{rtn|6}}, using the {{OBP|Underground Path|Routes 5-6}} to bypass [[Saffron City]], the player finally arrives in {{ci|Vermilion}}. This city is home to another Pokémon Gym; however, the way to it is blocked by a small tree! The only thing to do is to show the ticket to the [[Sailor]] guarding the harbor, allowing entry into the S.S. Anne. It is here, after assisting the captain with his seasickness, that the player will obtain the first of the seven [[HM|Hidden Machines]] available in the game, containing {{m|Cut}}. With this, and the {{Badge|Cascade}}, the tree blocking the way to Vermilion Gym can be easily cut through, and [[Lt. Surge]], a Gym Leader specializing in {{type2|Electric}}s, can be challenged. From here, {{rt|11}} beckons, as does [[Diglett's Cave]], through which is the only way to get back to {{rt|2}}, and a second HM, containing {{m|Flash}}. The player takes a brief detour to Pewter City's museum's back entrance which is was previously blocked due to a Cut-able tree, which can now easily be bypassed. The player obtains the [[Old Amber]] in the museum. Heading back to Diglett's Cave, and to Vermilion, the player must go to Cerulean and to the east, onto {{rt|9}} and towards the [[Rock Tunnel]].

Rock Tunnel, a still undeveloped natural tunnel between the sections of {{rt|10}}, is pitch black inside; for this reason, {{m|Flash}} is recommended, but not required, for navigation of it. Finally reaching [[Lavender Town]], the only town in Kanto without a Pokémon Gym besides Pallet, there is not much to do; the local [[Pokémon Tower]] is haunted. From here, {{rt|8}} leads to Saffron City, but it again must be bypassed by way of another {{OBP|Underground Path|Routes 7-8}}, which has its other entrance on {{rt|7}}, on the west side of Saffron. [[Celadon City]], the home of the fourth Gym, specializing in {{type2|Grass}} Pokémon is just a short walk further. Like the Vermilion Gym, the Celadon Gym also has a small tree blocking the way to its entrance, and an old man outside.

The [[Rocket Game Corner]] in Celadon is not what it appears to be. In fact, the game corner itself is merely the above ground portion of a sprawling underground complex: the {{OBP|Rocket Hideout|Celadon City}}. The Team Rocket boss, Giovanni, appears for the first time here, and after his defeat, flees, leaving behind a Silph Scope. A Silph Scope is required to fully navigate the Pokémon Tower inside of Lavender Town that the player encountered earlier.

After this, the Pokémon Tower can be navigated, and the ghosts haunting it are revealed to be {{p|Gastly}} and {{p|Haunter}}. In front of the stairs to the final floor, blocking the way, is also a final spirit, that of a deceased {{p|Marowak}} that was killed by Team Rocket when they captured her child. Making it all the way to the top reveals [[Mr. Fuji]] held hostage by Team Rocket grunts, who will leave when they are defeated. Fuji gives away the [[Poké Flute]], and with that, the {{p|Snorlax}} blocking {{rt|11}} and {{rt|16}} can finally be moved away. Another HM, containing {{m|Fly}}, can be obtained easily by cutting away a tree blocking the northern section of Route 16.

Now the player is presented with a choice of how to get to [[Fuchsia City]]. Traveling down either way the Snorlax are blocking, a faster way via Routes 16, {{rtn|17}}, and {{rtn|18}} on {{ka|Cycling Road}}, or down the [[Silence Bridge]] of Routes {{rtn|12}}, {{rtn|13}}, {{rtn|14}}, and {{rtn|15}}, inevitably brings one to the southernmost city in continental Kanto, [[Fuchsia City]], home of [[Koga]] of the {{t|Poison}}ous Fuchsia Gym and the [[Kanto Safari Zone]]. The Safari Zone is currently running a contest: the person to reach a specific rest house first will win yet another HM, containing {{m|Surf}}. Finding the [[Baoba|Safari Zone Warden]]'s {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Gold Teeth}} also will have him reward the player with the final of Kanto's HMs, containing {{m|Strength}}.

The player then goes back to either [[Celadon City]] or [[Lavender Town]], encountering the other {{p|Snorlax}} on the way back. After stopping off at the [[Celadon Mansion]] and getting some {{DL|Drink|Tea}}, Saffron City can finally be entered. However, Team Rocket is guarding almost every door in the city, including that of the local Pokémon Gym! One of the open buildings however, is the unofficial Fighting-type Pokémon Gym. After the player defeats the Fighting Dojo, he/she is entitled to either a {{p|Hitmonchan}} or a {{p|Hitmonlee}}. The city's centerpiece building, [[Silph Co.]]'s headquarters, has also been infiltrated by the organization, and at the top, waiting in the boardroom, is the Team Rocket Boss, [[Giovanni]], appearing for a second time, demanding that the president give him the [[Master Ball]] that the company had developed. After his defeat, he flees.

After Team Rocket clears out of [[Saffron City]], all buildings previously blocked are now open, as well as the Gym. The Gym Leader, [[Sabrina]], specializes in {{type2|Psychic}}s. The floor, as well, is covered in warp tiles that make it difficult to navigate. After Sabrina's defeat, the player makes his/her way back to Fuchsia City again, and heads out to obtain the rest of the badges.

With six badges in hand, and five HMs in the {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|TM Case}}, finally the player can adventure onto the open sea of Routes {{rtn|19}} and {{rtn|20}}. A short way across them, of course, is a minor obstacle: the [[Seafoam Islands]]. After they have been navigated through, the player can continue on Route 20 to [[Cinnabar Island]], home of [[Blaine]]'s {{type2|Fire}} Gym. There are also several more facilities on the island, including one that actually revives Pokémon [[fossil]]s. After Blaine's defeat, [[Bill]] shows up again, because he needs help in a region east of Kanto, the [[Sevii Islands]]. If the player accepts, the [[Seagallop Ferry]] will travel to {{OBP|One Island|town}}, where a friend of Bill's, [[Celio]], is attempting to connect the islands' PC system to that of Kanto. During this, there is also a crisis in {{OBP|Two Island|town}}, where the daughter of the owner of the [[Joyful Game Corner]] has gone missing, and in {{OBP|Three Island|town}} where a group of invading [[Biker]]s are causing trouble. After defeating them and finding the lost girl, [[Lostelle]], who is in [[Berry Forest]], Bill and the player will return to Kanto, where the final Gym, that of Viridian City, lies.

Finally unlocked, the Gym, whose leader specializes in {{type2|Ground}}s, is revealed to be none other than the boss of Team Rocket himself, [[Giovanni]]! After his defeat, he vows to disband Team Rocket and disappears. Now with eight badges, all that lies ahead is the [[Pokémon League]] at the [[Indigo Plateau]], conveniently at the end of {{rt|23}}.

The [[Elite Four]] await challengers, those who have proven themselves worthy by getting all eight badges and making it through {{ka|Victory Road}} will face them, in order. [[Lorelei]], who [[Pokémon training|trains]] {{type2|Ice}} Pokémon is first, followed by [[Bruno]], whose specialty is {{t|Fighting}}, [[Agatha]], whose specialty is {{t|Ghost}}, and finally [[Lance]], who specializes in {{type2|Dragon}}s. After defeating these four, the reigning [[Pokémon champion]] challenges the player to a final battle, and the champion is none other than the player's own rival! After his defeat, Oak arrives and tells the player that they won because they care better for their Pokémon, and the player's current [[party]] are added to the [[Hall of Fame]].

After the credits roll, the player is back in Pallet Town. [[Professor Oak]] will have the player come to his lab to check on the Pokédex, and if the player has caught at least 60 Pokémon, will upgrade it and ask for the player to return to the Sevii Islands to encounter Pokémon Oak has never before seen.

There is some more work that Celio needs to do on his network machine, as he wishes to link to yet [[Hoenn|another region]]. The signal, however, is not strong enough, and he needs the Ruby and the Sapphire, two items found in the Sevii Islands, to strengthen it. The Ruby is found deep in a cave in [[Mt. Ember]], which Team Rocket grunts have been seen fooling around with. The Sapphire lies at the deepest part of the [[Dotted Hole]] in [[Ruin Valley]]. The Ruby can be given to Celio without a hitch; however, the Sapphire, when found, is stolen by a [[Scientist]] named [[Gideon]], who takes it back to Team Rocket's [[Rocket Warehouse|warehouse]] in the [[Five Isle Meadow]]. By infiltrating the warehouse and defeating the remaining Rocket Admins, they realize that Giovanni has disbanded Team Rocket. They do, however, vow to return one day, and bring Team Rocket back to its glory. Gideon reluctantly gives back the Sapphire, and after this, trades are possible with the [[Hoenn]]-based {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}. The Elite Four can once again be challenged, and their Pokémon are 12 levels higher, as well as some of them possessing new Pokémon. [[Cerulean Cave]], as well, is now open, and the powerful {{p|Mewtwo}} can be found there.

==[[Version-exclusive Pokémon|Version exclusives]]==
The following Pokémon are only obtainable in one game of this pair. In order to obtain Pokémon exclusive to the other game of this pair, they must be traded either from that game or from another compatible game of [[Generation III]] which has that Pokémon available. In addition, several {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} and a majority of {{cat|Generation III Pokémon}} must be traded from a [[Hoenn]]-based game.
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{{Moveentrytm|212|Scizor|2|Bug|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|239|Elekid|1|Electric|}}
{{Moveentrytm|125|Electabuzz|1|Electric|}}
{{Moveentrytm|194|Wooper|2|Water|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|195|Quagsire|2|Water|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|198|Murkrow|2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|211|Qwilfish|2|Water|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|225|Delibird|2|Ice|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|227|Skarmory|2|Steel|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|386|Deoxys|1|Psychic|||Attack}}
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{{Moveentrytm|028|Sandslash|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|037|Vulpix|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|038|Ninetales|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|069|Bellsprout|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|070|Weepinbell|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|071|Victreebel|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|079|Slowpoke|2|Water|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|080|Slowbro|2|Water|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|199|Slowking|2|Water|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|120|Staryu|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|121|Starmie|2|Water|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|240|Magby|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|126|Magmar|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|127|Pinsir|1|Bug|}}
{{Moveentrytm|298|Azurill|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|183|Marill|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|184|Azumarill|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|200|Misdreavus|1|Ghost|}}
{{Moveentrytm|215|Sneasel|2|Dark|Ice}}
{{Moveentrytm|223|Remoraid|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|224|Octillery|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|226|Mantine|2|Water|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|386|Deoxys|1|Psychic|||Defense}}
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==Compatibility==
FireRed and LeafGreen were created as a result of the first [[Generation III]] games, {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, lacking backward compatibility with Generations {{gen|I}} and {{gen|II}}. [[trade|Trading]] between these games and the third Hoenn-based game, {{game|Emerald}}, is possible through the traditional [[link cable]]. Trading with other copies of FireRed or LeafGreen as well as with Emerald may also be done through the [[GBA Wireless Adapter]], though Ruby and Sapphire are not compatible with it. Using a GameCube-GBA cable, players may also trade party Pokémon with {{g|Colosseum}} and {{Pokémon XD}}, but only after the player has obtained the {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Ruby}} and {{DL|List of key items in Generation III|Sapphire}} and given them to [[Celio]].

While FireRed and LeafGreen cannot trade directly with the [[Generation IV]] games {{game5|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, a player's Pokémon may be permanently transferred via [[Pal Park]], and some {{cat|Generation I Pokémon}} can be found using [[dual-slot mode]].

==Reception==
FireRed and LeafGreen received strong sales. Over 800,000 copies were sold in Japan over the first week of release. This number was lower than that of counterparts {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}; this has been attributed to the fact that they are remakes.<ref>[http://au.gameboy.ign.com/articles/488/488976p1.html IGN: Pokemania] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> Nintendo remarketed the games as "Player's Choice" two years after the initial release; this re-release did not include the [[Game Boy Advance Wireless Adapter|Wireless Adapter]] that came with the original release.

The games were praised by critics for maintaining the same storyline as the original versions, and also for incorporating new events. Criticism was received, however, for the lack of graphical improvement from Ruby and Sapphire.<ref>[http://au.gameboy.ign.com/articles/544/544549p1.html IGN: Pokemon FireRed Version Review] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> Generally, the games scored highly. ''[[Nintendo Power]]'' magazine gave them 4.5/5, and labeled the games as "great".<ref>''Nintendo Power'' magazine. Issue 184; page 123. October 2004.</ref>

The games were well-received in the general fan base. Webcomic ''{{OBP|Super Effective|webcomic}}'' bases its plot and humor on the situations and discrepancies within the games.

==Trivia==
[[Image:Thetruckreturns.png|thumb|270px|The infamous truck]]
* These games were the first remakes ever, being followed by the [[Generation II]] remakes {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.
* The LeafGreen [[Pokédex]] entries are the same as those in the original {{game|Red and Blue|s}} (as well as the [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Japanese Blue Version]]) for the {{cat|Generation I Pokémon}}. The FireRed entries for the same Pokémon are the same as those in the original {{game|Red and Green|s}}, which were previously not translated into English or any other languages.
** The Pokédex entries in LeafGreen were also used for the [[Meister|international Pokédex entries]] featured in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}.
** The Pokédex entries for most of the {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} are the same as those in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, with Silver's entries being in FireRed and Gold's being in LeafGreen.
*** A similar situation would later happen with the [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|Generation II remakes]], where the Pokédex entries for all of the {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} from {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} are respectively used for {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.
* [[S.S. Anne#Rumors|The truck]], long rumored to have a [[Poké Ball]] containing {{p|Mew}} under it, appears again as scenery near the [[S.S. Anne]]. This time around, however, following the instructions of Generation I will earn the player a [[Status ailment healing item#Lava Cookie|Lava Cookie]].
* A number of [[List of cross-generational references#To_Generation_II|references]] to the plot and characters of the [[Generation II]] games, {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, appear in these games. These were correctly interpreted by fans as hints at an eventual {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s|remake}} of the pair in [[Generation IV]].
* A piece of text in the game's code reads, "By the way, if you like this game, buy it or die." This text is actually an anti-piracy measure that can be activated by using a [[Seagallop Ferries|Seagallop Ferry]] when playing a dumped ROM of the game. Several ROM dumpers have verified that this was not inserted by a third party.
* FireRed and LeafGreen, as well as [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|their namesakes]], are the only [[main series]] Pokémon games to be released in the first two thirds of the year in Japan. All of the others to date have been released between September and December.
* FireRed and LeafGreen are the only main series games to have their Japanese and international releases in the same year.
* The [[species]] names present in FireRed and LeafGreen are cut off in early English releases of the games, most specifically those species names made up of more than one word with a space in between. This causes Pokémon like {{p|Pidgey}} to be listed as "Tiny Pokémon" rather than "Tiny Bird Pokémon." [[Pokédex data structure in Generation III|Internal game data]] lists the species name the same as it appears in {{game2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} and other games, indicating a glitch in the Pokédex where a blank space is confused for the terminating byte for the name. This was addressed in later releases of the game. This is the easiest way to tell whether the game in question is a v1.0 or v1.1 release.
* FireRed and LeafGreen, as well as the original [[Generation I]] games, are the only main series games that do not involve a [[legendary Pokémon]] in their main plot.
* According to [[Junichi Masuda]], the reason why LeafGreen did not become WaterBlue outside of Japan was for the following reasons: A leaf is a symbol of peace, while fire and water are opposing concepts and thus would seem more like a conflict. A leaf is also a more easy concept to grasp for kids, and in this world of conflicts, the creators wanted to give a name suggestive of a peaceful world. [[Game Freak]] also wanted a colorful drawing of a {{p|Bulbasaur}} family member on the boxart. He explains that, as with [[legendary Pokémon]], creating a title for each Pokémon game that can be used and easily understood in all countries is not an easy task.

===In other languages===
{{langtable|color={{firered color}}|bordercolor={{leafgreen color light}}
|ja=ポケットモンスターファイアレッド・リーフグリーン
|fr=Pokémon Version Rouge Feu et Version Vert Feuille
|de=Pokémon - Feuerrote Edition und Blattgrüne Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Rosso Fuoco e Versione Verde Foglia
|es=Pokémon Edición Rojo Fuego y Edición Verde Hoja}}

==References==
<references />

{{Main series}}
{{Project Games notice}}
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen|*]]
[[Category:Game Boy Advance games]]

[[de:Pokémon Feuerrot & Blattgrün]]
[[es:Pokémon Rojo Fuego y Verde Hoja]]
[[fr:Pokémon Rouge Feu et Vert Feuille]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスターファイアレッド・リーフグリーン]]
[[pl:Pokémon FireRed i LeafGreen]]
[[pt:Pokémon FireRed e LeafGreen]]

Talk:Core series/Archive 1

2010-04-10T23:40:53Z

Tyeforce: /* Colors */

== Just wondering? ==

In the Japanese version's of any main series game, does the word "version" exist or is that just international usage. Because on the box arts it just say for example Pearl or Ruby.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 02:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

* Each generation's third version does not use its mascots official Ken Sugimori artwork. Blastoise (Japanese), Pikachu (Japanese and English), Suicune, Rayquaza, and Giratina use specially made artwork.

The original Red, Green, and Blue, and the English Gold and Silver don't seem to use the official artwork either. Am I wrong? Or did he publish more than one official work of these back then? - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 07:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Colors ==

I don't know where else to put this, so since I noticed it here first, I'll put it here. I'm not very familiar with the way wikis work, but I've noticed in the source that each Version has its own "color". I'm not talking about the name of the game, I'm talking about the HTML color that it's assigned in the wiki. For example, Red Version's "color" ("red color") is #FF1111, and FireRed's "color" ("firered color") is #FFAAAA. Anyway, what I'd like to know is...where did those specific colors come from? How were those specific colors chosen? And why aren't White and Black Version's "colors" #000000 and #FFFFFF, respectively, instead of what they are currently (#444444 and #C3C3C3, respectively)? I can understand that lighter/darker colors were chosen for visibility purposes, but as the colors are right now, SoulSilver's color (#E1E1E1) is whiter than White's own color! It just doesn't look right, having ''White'' Versions be less white than SoulSilver Version... —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 22:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:Well... we also have "Black color dark/light" and "White color dark/light". You can't make white lighter, and you can't make black darker. Sooo. Also it's a really bad idea to have pure white text... when the default background is white. Another thing is, as you pointed out, Red isn't pure #ff0000. So why should BW be their 'pure' color? D:
:... oh yeah and #000 is kinda the default text color, too... >_> ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 22:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I understand that. But shouldn't we change either SoulSilver's color or White's color, because it doesn't look right with SoulSilver's color being whiter than White's... Also, is there a page that lists all the colors, along with their light and dark versions? I'd like to make a list of them all, but digging through the source code isn't exactly the most convenient method, lol. (I'm using the colors for something I'm doing.) —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 23:18, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I apologise for the format; I took these out of an Excel file I have. Some of the light colors are now outdated (as in, we changed them on the pedia and I didn't change them on my sheet) and I only have up until Platinum.
:::{| class=expandable
|-
| Click show to view
|-
| <ab>'''Regular'''
Bug A8B820
Dark 705848
Dragon 7038F8
Electric F8D030
Fighting C03028
Fire F08030
Flying A890F0
Ghost 705898
Grass 78C850
Ground E0C068
Ice 98D8D8
Normal A8A878
Poison A040A0
Psychic F85888
Rock B8A038
Steel B8B8D0
Water 6890F0
??? 68A090
Blue 1111FF
Colo B6CAE4
Crystal 4FD9FF
Diamond AAAAFF
Emerald 00A000
FireRed FF7327
Gold DAA520
Green 11BB11
L.Green 00DD00
Pearl FFAAAA
Platinum 999999
Red FF1111
Ruby A00000
Sapphire 0000A0
Silver C0C0C0
XD 604E82
Yellow FFD733
Beauty 6890F0
Cute F85888
Cool F08030
Smart 78C850
Tough F8D030
'''Light'''
Bug CEDE48
Dark A2958D
Dragon 9F77FF
Electric FCEEB6
Fighting E5524A
Fire F9D2B6
Flying CEBFFB
Ghost A18DC4
Grass ACEA8C
Ground F8DD92
Ice BDF3F3
Normal E0E0CF
Poison D878D8
Psychic F99CB8
Rock E6DDB9
Steel E6E6EE
Water 9BB8FE
??? CADDD8
Blue 7777FF
Colo DDE6F1
Crystal B2EEFF
Diamond CCCCFF
Emerald 2ED42E
FireRed FF9359
Gold FFCB49
Green 28E228
L.Green 32FA32
Pearl FFCCCC
Platinum BBBBBB
Red FF7777
Ruby D42E2E
Sapphire 2E2ED4
Silver E3E3E3
XD 8674A8
Yellow FEEF46
Beauty 9DB7F5
Cute FA92B2
Cool F5AC78
Smart A7DB8D
Tough FAE078
</ab>
|}
:::Hope that helps. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:27, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Thanks for that. I'm just curious... How were the colors for Colosseum and XD chosen? Also, what's the verdict on the SoulSilver/White color issue? —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 23:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Core series/Archive 1

2010-04-10T23:18:15Z

Tyeforce: /* Colors */

Talk:MissingNo.

2010-04-10T22:43:13Z

Tyeforce: /* Move it to MissingNo. */

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==Previous discussion==
[[Talk:Missingno./Archive 1|Archive 1]] (2 October 2005 - 25 October 2009)

==Split==
Missingno. (Red/Blue) and Missingno. (Yellow) are very different from each other. They should be separate pages. Compare [http://www.trsrockin.com/dex_mn.html] and [http://www.trsrockin.com/dex_yellow.html]. Also compare [http://glitchcity.info/glitchdex/RB:115] and [http://glitchcity.info/glitchdex/Y:115]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|SnorlaxMonster]] 11:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Is there a tag for this? Because I can't find one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|SnorlaxMonster]] 05:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:No. It's still the same glitch, it just manifests different effects in different games. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::It's really as different as {{p|'M}} and {{p|3TrainerPoké}}, other than the fact that they have the same name. The stats are completely different, Yellow's types are Normal/Glitch whereas RB's types are Bird/Normal, Yellow's Starting moves are Water Gun, Bind, Pay Day whereas RB's starting moves are Water Gun, Water Gun, Sky Attack.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|SnorlaxMonster]] 07:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::We count Missingno.'s Yellow version counterpart as an alternate form here. It's the same species. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 14:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::But that would make {{p|3TrainerPoké}} an alternate form of {{p|'M}}. The only difference between the relationship of those two, and the relationship of the two Missingno.s is that the Missingno.s have the same name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]] 06:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::And that difference makes all the difference. They're the same species, just as Sandy Cloak and Trash Cloak Wormadam are the same species, or Normal and Defense Deoxys. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 12:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::OK fine, but is there any way to have both Bird/Normal and Normal/999 in the top box? [[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]

==More rumours==
Not mentioned on the rumours page is a theory about missingo's origin and why cubone and marowak seem so similar to kangaskhan. The theory is easy to believe even if it comes from a 4chan post. see [http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs043.snc3/13067_211106843303_637453303_3035423_5482389_n.jpg] for a screencap of the argument. --[[User:Iain7|Iain7]] 23:45, 17 December 2009 (GMT)
:There are quite a few problems with that theory, the first being that its speculation and does not belong on the article. Secondly, I don't think it is that complex or time consuming to delete an evolution. Also, Missingno. is completely unrelated to both Kangaskhan and Cubone. Also, if you look at [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation I)|the Hex list]], you'll see that Missingno. has multiple index numbers.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]. Help [[User:SnorlaxMonster/GlitchEvobox|here]] 00:21, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

== Can Yellow Missingno. replicate 128 of an item? ==

I read somewhere that Missingno. in Yellow can replicate 128 of an item, but elsewhere that it cannot. Which is true? [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 17:46, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
:First another question, can Missingno. (in either game) replicate items when encountered using the [[Mew glitch]]? If no, then it cannot. If yes it might be able to. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:40, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
::Never mind, found the answer here: http://forums.glitchcity.info/index.php/topic,5904.0.html. When encountered through the Mew glitch in any of RBY, it will still duplicate items. However, it will only do so in Yellow if the game doesn't freeze. Apparently it will ''always'' freeze in an emulator since it can't detect the glitchy game code properly, unlike a cartridge which has a small chance of not freezing. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 03:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Name Capitalization ==

Just wondering, why is MissingNo. spelled with a lowercase N in the article? It doesn't make sense. The "No." is obviously meant to be a separate word from "Missing", so it should be capitalized, just like what has been done to many names of moves and items in Generation IV. Now, before you say ''"But it's never been officially spelled like that!"'', it's ''also'' never been officially spelled with ''any'' lowercase letters, just in all capitals, so the current capitalization that you're using can't be considered officially correct, either. "MissingNo." with a capital N is the most logical capitalization, so why not use it? Also, using the current article's capitalization is just encouraging the common mispronunciation ''"Missing-No"'' instead of ''"Missing-Number"'', how it ''should'' be pronounced.
—[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 07:36, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:Based on what you just said, your version of the capitalization is no more correct or incorrect than this one. This one just looks better. And based on the fact that nobody's changed it back in the months since I moved the page to this name indicates that the vast majority of Bulbapedia would agree with me. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 12:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::Perhaps even MISSINGNO. would be a better location. But for now, this location is fine. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::But although the game refers to the 30 odd variations of these glitches as just "MISSINGNO." that doesn't mean we need to change the article names of Pikachu, Bulbasaur and Mewtwo to PIKACHU, BULBASAUR and MEWTWO either. We are a Pokémon encyclopaedia, not a Pokémon mechanics encyclopaedia. I can confirm though that Nintendo does refer to these glitches as "MissingNO" here [http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/gameboy/trouble_specificgame.jsp] --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 12:31, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::We don't capitalize the Pokémon names because that's not the right way to spell them. They're in all capitals in the main games, but that's just because that's always how been. I'm sure they would have changed the capitalization format for Pokémon names in Generation IV if it weren't the Generation III compatibility (because that would look extremely weird if all the Pokémon you caught in your DS game had proper capitalization, while any Pokémon you migrated from your GBA games would be in all caps). We've seen Pokémon names spelled with correct capitalization in official places outside of the main games themselves, so it's safe to assume that the correct spelling of Pokémon names isn't in all caps. And you could take Nintendo's quotes as evidence, but they contradict themselves in the spelling. First they call it "MissngNO" with a capital "NO" and no period, and then they call "MissingNo", with the O being lowercase and still no period. Obviously, there's supposed to be a period in its name, so Nintendo's spellings of the name in that particular instance can't be correct. But even if it's not 100% correct, it does provide evidence that "Missing" is separate from "No." and should be capitalized to show that. Think of how some items and moves are spelled in Generation IV that were previously in all caps. SquirtBottle, SolarBeam, DynamicPunch, etc. It's just the most logical way to spell the name. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 15:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, a lot of things do use the camelcase to separate two words, but then [[Pokéwalker]] and [[Pokédex]] come up (there are other examples, but that's off the top of my head). Anyway, we won't be calling it MissingNO., but the rule here is that allcaps in the games goes to Proper noun. But when we're quoting the game we keep the original case (as seen in the Pokédex entries). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::Pokéwalker and Pokédex are made up words, though. They're not two separate words fused together, like Missing and Number. "Missingno." just looks plain weird. It just looks better when written as "MissingNo.", and it implies that it's "Missing Number", ''not'' "Missingno". —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 05:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Pokéwalker is more two words than Pokédex, but you also have [[Pokégear]]. Anyway, allcaps in the games goes to Proper noun unless otherwise specified. And to me, MissingNo. looks much weirder than Missingno., plus saying that a word looks funny is no excuse. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
(resetting indent) But the "Poké" in those words isn't a ''real'' word. Typically, words that being with "Poké" just flow together as a brand new word, without any capitalization other than the "P", like ''Pokémon'', ''Pokédex'', etc. Either that, or the "Poké" is a separate word and is followed by a space, in the case of ''Poké Ball'', etc. But anyway, yes, I know that we can't change the spelling based on opinion, which is why I gave another reason; spelling it "MissingNo." implies that it's "Missing Number", ''not'' "Missingno", as many people think it is. That, and the fact that Nintendo has spelled it "MissingNO" and "MissingNo", in both cases capitalizing the "No." part. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 14:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:The Nintendo part does however seem unreliable due to the inconsistencies as well as lack of period after MissingNO and MissingNo. This discussion will not be enough to move a page on such a well known topic, especially a featured article, but since an official source decided to separate the two with camelcase, it should be moved. I suggest you take it to the editorial board to see what they think about it. But I do agree with you that "MISSING" and "NO." are separate and that "NO." clearly stands for number, it may not be appropriate to assume that it should be separated by camelcase. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe we could have some sort of community poll? —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 01:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia is not a democracy. It's a policy somewhere. Anyway, you can make a poll and have people say why they think so, then the EB will review it and decide from their. I have made one below --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

==Moving==
Sign and say why you think it should be moved, kept here. If you vote "move it somewhere else" say where you want it moved to.
===Keep it at [[Missingno.]]===
*Nintendo hates Missingno., so their capitalization of it can hardly be called official. Besides, I think they just spell it "MissingNO." to emphasize the word "no" to subconsciously deter us from abusing the glitch. Plus, it'd look really weird that way. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 19:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

===Move it to [[MissingNo.]]===
[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC) - Nintendo has officially referred to it with a capital "n" in every case, despite other inconsistencies, also stands for Missing Number.

I agree with what many others have said: MissingNo. is a reference to "Missing Number." To have it written in the current format of Missingno. suggests that it is a word of its own or a single word, rather than a contraction of the two words, "Missing Number." Also, Nintendo has officially referred to it as MissingNO. --[[User:Aureol|Aureol]] 18:32, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 22:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC) - I'm all for the move, as I have stated [[Talk:Missingno.#Name_Capitalization|here]].

===Move it somewhere else===
Obviously it should be moved to MISSI░░N░▒▒FU▒▒▓▓▓▓ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

===While we're at it===
Let's move [[Ash's Pikachu]] to Ash's PIKACHU. After all, all instances of species names are in all-caps. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:I have official merchandise which refers to them as Proper nouns rather than allcaps. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

===Don't move this page===

What is the point of it? It's just one letter turned to caps, isn't it? Why don't we just make the 8th letter in ever article capital? [[User:Breawycker|Breawycker]] 17:14, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:MissingNo.

2010-04-10T22:41:41Z

Tyeforce: /* Move it to MissingNo. */

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==Previous discussion==
[[Talk:Missingno./Archive 1|Archive 1]] (2 October 2005 - 25 October 2009)

==Split==
Missingno. (Red/Blue) and Missingno. (Yellow) are very different from each other. They should be separate pages. Compare [http://www.trsrockin.com/dex_mn.html] and [http://www.trsrockin.com/dex_yellow.html]. Also compare [http://glitchcity.info/glitchdex/RB:115] and [http://glitchcity.info/glitchdex/Y:115]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|SnorlaxMonster]] 11:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Is there a tag for this? Because I can't find one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|SnorlaxMonster]] 05:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:No. It's still the same glitch, it just manifests different effects in different games. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::It's really as different as {{p|'M}} and {{p|3TrainerPoké}}, other than the fact that they have the same name. The stats are completely different, Yellow's types are Normal/Glitch whereas RB's types are Bird/Normal, Yellow's Starting moves are Water Gun, Bind, Pay Day whereas RB's starting moves are Water Gun, Water Gun, Sky Attack.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|SnorlaxMonster]] 07:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::We count Missingno.'s Yellow version counterpart as an alternate form here. It's the same species. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 14:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::But that would make {{p|3TrainerPoké}} an alternate form of {{p|'M}}. The only difference between the relationship of those two, and the relationship of the two Missingno.s is that the Missingno.s have the same name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]] 06:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::And that difference makes all the difference. They're the same species, just as Sandy Cloak and Trash Cloak Wormadam are the same species, or Normal and Defense Deoxys. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 12:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::OK fine, but is there any way to have both Bird/Normal and Normal/999 in the top box? [[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]

==More rumours==
Not mentioned on the rumours page is a theory about missingo's origin and why cubone and marowak seem so similar to kangaskhan. The theory is easy to believe even if it comes from a 4chan post. see [http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs043.snc3/13067_211106843303_637453303_3035423_5482389_n.jpg] for a screencap of the argument. --[[User:Iain7|Iain7]] 23:45, 17 December 2009 (GMT)
:There are quite a few problems with that theory, the first being that its speculation and does not belong on the article. Secondly, I don't think it is that complex or time consuming to delete an evolution. Also, Missingno. is completely unrelated to both Kangaskhan and Cubone. Also, if you look at [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation I)|the Hex list]], you'll see that Missingno. has multiple index numbers.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]. Help [[User:SnorlaxMonster/GlitchEvobox|here]] 00:21, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

== Can Yellow Missingno. replicate 128 of an item? ==

I read somewhere that Missingno. in Yellow can replicate 128 of an item, but elsewhere that it cannot. Which is true? [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 17:46, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
:First another question, can Missingno. (in either game) replicate items when encountered using the [[Mew glitch]]? If no, then it cannot. If yes it might be able to. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:40, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
::Never mind, found the answer here: http://forums.glitchcity.info/index.php/topic,5904.0.html. When encountered through the Mew glitch in any of RBY, it will still duplicate items. However, it will only do so in Yellow if the game doesn't freeze. Apparently it will ''always'' freeze in an emulator since it can't detect the glitchy game code properly, unlike a cartridge which has a small chance of not freezing. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 03:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Name Capitalization ==

Just wondering, why is MissingNo. spelled with a lowercase N in the article? It doesn't make sense. The "No." is obviously meant to be a separate word from "Missing", so it should be capitalized, just like what has been done to many names of moves and items in Generation IV. Now, before you say ''"But it's never been officially spelled like that!"'', it's ''also'' never been officially spelled with ''any'' lowercase letters, just in all capitals, so the current capitalization that you're using can't be considered officially correct, either. "MissingNo." with a capital N is the most logical capitalization, so why not use it? Also, using the current article's capitalization is just encouraging the common mispronunciation ''"Missing-No"'' instead of ''"Missing-Number"'', how it ''should'' be pronounced.
—[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 07:36, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:Based on what you just said, your version of the capitalization is no more correct or incorrect than this one. This one just looks better. And based on the fact that nobody's changed it back in the months since I moved the page to this name indicates that the vast majority of Bulbapedia would agree with me. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 12:14, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::Perhaps even MISSINGNO. would be a better location. But for now, this location is fine. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::But although the game refers to the 30 odd variations of these glitches as just "MISSINGNO." that doesn't mean we need to change the article names of Pikachu, Bulbasaur and Mewtwo to PIKACHU, BULBASAUR and MEWTWO either. We are a Pokémon encyclopaedia, not a Pokémon mechanics encyclopaedia. I can confirm though that Nintendo does refer to these glitches as "MissingNO" here [http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/gameboy/trouble_specificgame.jsp] --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 12:31, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::We don't capitalize the Pokémon names because that's not the right way to spell them. They're in all capitals in the main games, but that's just because that's always how been. I'm sure they would have changed the capitalization format for Pokémon names in Generation IV if it weren't the Generation III compatibility (because that would look extremely weird if all the Pokémon you caught in your DS game had proper capitalization, while any Pokémon you migrated from your GBA games would be in all caps). We've seen Pokémon names spelled with correct capitalization in official places outside of the main games themselves, so it's safe to assume that the correct spelling of Pokémon names isn't in all caps. And you could take Nintendo's quotes as evidence, but they contradict themselves in the spelling. First they call it "MissngNO" with a capital "NO" and no period, and then they call "MissingNo", with the O being lowercase and still no period. Obviously, there's supposed to be a period in its name, so Nintendo's spellings of the name in that particular instance can't be correct. But even if it's not 100% correct, it does provide evidence that "Missing" is separate from "No." and should be capitalized to show that. Think of how some items and moves are spelled in Generation IV that were previously in all caps. SquirtBottle, SolarBeam, DynamicPunch, etc. It's just the most logical way to spell the name. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 15:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, a lot of things do use the camelcase to separate two words, but then [[Pokéwalker]] and [[Pokédex]] come up (there are other examples, but that's off the top of my head). Anyway, we won't be calling it MissingNO., but the rule here is that allcaps in the games goes to Proper noun. But when we're quoting the game we keep the original case (as seen in the Pokédex entries). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::Pokéwalker and Pokédex are made up words, though. They're not two separate words fused together, like Missing and Number. "Missingno." just looks plain weird. It just looks better when written as "MissingNo.", and it implies that it's "Missing Number", ''not'' "Missingno". —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 05:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Pokéwalker is more two words than Pokédex, but you also have [[Pokégear]]. Anyway, allcaps in the games goes to Proper noun unless otherwise specified. And to me, MissingNo. looks much weirder than Missingno., plus saying that a word looks funny is no excuse. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
(resetting indent) But the "Poké" in those words isn't a ''real'' word. Typically, words that being with "Poké" just flow together as a brand new word, without any capitalization other than the "P", like ''Pokémon'', ''Pokédex'', etc. Either that, or the "Poké" is a separate word and is followed by a space, in the case of ''Poké Ball'', etc. But anyway, yes, I know that we can't change the spelling based on opinion, which is why I gave another reason; spelling it "MissingNo." implies that it's "Missing Number", ''not'' "Missingno", as many people think it is. That, and the fact that Nintendo has spelled it "MissingNO" and "MissingNo", in both cases capitalizing the "No." part. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 14:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:The Nintendo part does however seem unreliable due to the inconsistencies as well as lack of period after MissingNO and MissingNo. This discussion will not be enough to move a page on such a well known topic, especially a featured article, but since an official source decided to separate the two with camelcase, it should be moved. I suggest you take it to the editorial board to see what they think about it. But I do agree with you that "MISSING" and "NO." are separate and that "NO." clearly stands for number, it may not be appropriate to assume that it should be separated by camelcase. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe we could have some sort of community poll? —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 01:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Bulbapedia is not a democracy. It's a policy somewhere. Anyway, you can make a poll and have people say why they think so, then the EB will review it and decide from their. I have made one below --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

==Moving==
Sign and say why you think it should be moved, kept here. If you vote "move it somewhere else" say where you want it moved to.
===Keep it at [[Missingno.]]===
*Nintendo hates Missingno., so their capitalization of it can hardly be called official. Besides, I think they just spell it "MissingNO." to emphasize the word "no" to subconsciously deter us from abusing the glitch. Plus, it'd look really weird that way. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 19:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

===Move it to [[MissingNo.]]===
[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC) - Nintendo has officially referred to it with a capital "n" in every case, despite other inconsistencies, also stands for Missing Number.

I agree with what many others have said: MissingNo. is a reference to "Missing Number." To have it written in the current format of Missingno. suggests that it is a word of its own or a single word, rather than a contraction of the two words, "Missing Number." Also, Nintendo has officially referred to it as MissingNO. --[[User:Aureol|Aureol]] 18:32, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 22:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC) I'm all for the move, as I have stated [[Talk:Missingno.#Name_Capitalization|here]].

===Move it somewhere else===
Obviously it should be moved to MISSI░░N░▒▒FU▒▒▓▓▓▓ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

===While we're at it===
Let's move [[Ash's Pikachu]] to Ash's PIKACHU. After all, all instances of species names are in all-caps. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:50, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:I have official merchandise which refers to them as Proper nouns rather than allcaps. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

===Don't move this page===

What is the point of it? It's just one letter turned to caps, isn't it? Why don't we just make the 8th letter in ever article capital? [[User:Breawycker|Breawycker]] 17:14, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

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Tyeforce: /* Why Leaf and not Green? */

So who made up that name? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 17:22, 2 February 2006 (CST)

:I want to know that too. Following the trend that the 1st and 2nd gen games set, her name should be Green, or Blue in the Japanese version. I'm guessing someone just chose one of the optional names from FRLG and gave it to her when they made the article. There's no real basis for her name being "Leaf", so shouldn't we go by precedence, as was done with Gold, Silver and Kris, and just call her Green?. -Shaddow Boy

::For an English Language Version, Green is accurate, however [[Green (game)]] already directs to Blue, does it not?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 00:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

:Internal game data. There is a trainer, presumably used for debugging, with the sprite of the male player, and another trainer with the sprite of the female player. The male one is named Red, but the female is named Leaf for some strange reason. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 09:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
::English version or Japanese? --WikidSmaht 08:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Both. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::::This isn't really a good habit to get into. If we start taking unused data as official canon, then Professor Oak started with Squirtle, the Safari Zone had no Pokemon in it 3 years after Red and Blue, and that the Lake of Rage is still a town. It just doesn't make sense. Fire Red and Leaf Green have officially fixed Green's (male rival's), name to that of the original, leaving lone Blue, the third version gal, without a truly official name. While logic would suggest we should call her Blue due to the Manga as well as Blue being the color generation's third game, we are stuck basing her name on what can only be called speculation. Unused Data =/= Fact. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 15:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Er, no. When it comes to the games' canon, internal game data > manga name. Otherwise we should be calling Brendan "Ruby" and May "Sapphire".
:::::And no offense, but your analogies are the ones that don't make sense to me. The prototypical Safari Zone in GSC doens't have wild Pokémon because the wild encounters data was never written, not because it was originally meant to not have Pokémon. And the finished versions of the games retconned Profesor Oak into not being a fight-able trainer, and the Lake of Rage into being just a lake are, not a town. But neither the finished games not Nintendo officially revealed a name for the FR/LG female protagonist, so if her name during the development stages was Leaf (which in-game data seems to prove it was), then it should still be, since there isn't evidence to make us believe that it was retconned into another name. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 00:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Well we can't call her Blue, because [[Blue (game)]] is the rival. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 01:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:If only GSDS would become reality, we'd know for sure, since then we'd have to find out what happened to her as well as Red. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
::We don't need another sequel. Besides her name, the answers are right here in front of us. The [[Blue (game)]] has officially been renamed as Green. All we have to do with the old article is point out that his English name used to be Blue, and was later changed back into Green. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 01:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::No, it has not been officially renamed. The rival's first default name for the Red version does not qualify as the character's official name. For all we know, his name could still be "Blue," just because it's not a default name doesn't mean it's been officially changed. Taking evidence from all the games supports that the rival is Blue and the girl is unnamed (leaving us with Green), but the idea that Blue has become Green is just fan speculation. I also agree that we can't go taking in-game data as official, and believe the name of the girl should be Green until Nintendo proves otherwise.--[[User:Mezase Master|Mezase Master]]
::::No to you, Mezase Master. First of all, you'll give the reason to most of us when we claim that Blue, this is, Japanese Green, is now Green outside of Japan as well since FRLG. Why do I say this? Because of HGSS and in-game data. And if internal game data says that her name is Leaf in both Japanese and English versions, then we have to assume it is as such. It's like you're claiming that Nintendo, specially the American and European divisions, don't screw up on the manuals and stuff. Even if such material is official, it doesn't mean it's correct and in-game data is the superior form of canon in the Pokémon franchise, so I say you're wrong. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::BTW, I e-mailed Nintendo of America back in late 2008 and asked them what was the official name of the female player character in FRLG. They told me that there isn't any and that players can name characters as they pretend (we all know that happens in every game except the rival in RSE), so we only have in-game data left. And if in-game data says that the name is Leaf, it's because it is. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 12:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Her name can't be "Green" because is the rival's name in the games already [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]] 16:06, 24 September 2007
: Her name isn't "Green". It's "Blue". [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 15:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
----
Okay, that manga information should definitely be in a separate article. But what series is it referring to? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 05:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

== RBG picture ==

So, supposedly she's based off of a picture from an old guidebook. Does anybody have an copy of this picture? I'm curious to see it.

== Blue artwork? ==

I found an image that appears to be the artwork described in the article. Is this it? [http://www.sailorteam.com/fakecard/starters/rgb.jpg]

It doesn't show her face, unfortunately. [[User:GigaMetroid99|GigaMetroid99]] 02:43, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:We're not sure it's her but she does resemble Blue (Green in the U.S)--[[Santa Claus|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::I was just wondering if that was the picture that the article described with:

''Leaf was supposed to be in the original Red and Green versions, due to the fact that on Nintendo's Official guidebook, it depicted a female trainer with long brown hair, a black dress, white gloves and short black boots, alongside the male protagonist and the rival. It is believed she was supposed to be in the game, but was left out for some reason.''

If that's the right image, it should be added to the article to show viewers how she would have looked.[[User:GigaMetroid99|GigaMetroid99]] 01:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm confused I thought the picture already was in the article.... I made a copy of it from somewhere...--[[User:Marhawkman|Marhawkman]] 02:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
::: Oh yeah, I remember reading in one of the articles something about how there are bits of code in red and green that treat the gender of the player character as a variable. wouldn't this be additional confirmation?--[[User:Marhawkman|Marhawkman]] 15:09, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== Her back sprite ==

It may be me but her back sprite,and Red's,makes it look like she has brown eyes,despite what the trainer card shows. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 02:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Rival = Blue? or Green? HGSS ==

Well, being that the rival's name also complicates things, as TTEchidna said, if the Viridian City gym leader in Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver is Leader (or Gym Leader) Blue, then it's back to the drawing board, but if he's Leader (or Gym Leader) Green, the name of the female player character of FireRed & LeafGreen may very well be Blue then.
:Her name will be Leaf regardless. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Wouldn't the situation change if she appears in HG/SS under a different name? [[User:Tsum|Tsum]] 04:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:It might but I think if the English translation calls the Viridian Leader "Green" to go with FireRed and Leaf''Green'', and has Red still in Mt. Silver, then this girl being Blue would confuse people due to Green being Blue in Gen II because before it was Red and ''Blue''. Leaf fits her best of all, unless they were to go a completely odd route and go with actual given names, in which case I'd bet that Red would be Satoshi in Japan and Ash here, Green is Shigeru/Gary, and Leafy-poo is Ashley. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== The only one not to appear in the anime? ==

Wouldn't Soul count? Also,what about Mark,Mint,Wes,Michael,Lucy,Kate, and Lunick? Or do it just refer to the main games. Even so,what about Soul? Or is it still up for grabs that she is just a redesign of Kris,and not a seperate character? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Soul's game hasn't even been released. Of course she hasn't appeared in the anime yet. If she appears, she will probably show up during the 13th or 14th seasons, late 12th at the earliest, assuming they return to Johto after the Sinnoh League and the Sinnoh GF. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 04:36, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== Apperence in HGSS? ==

If she's not, so should that be mentioned if she is not? Just saying b/c of the games comming out today.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:43, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:It doesn't appear so. Just Red. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::Alright was that added to article?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Has anyone finished the game with {{ga|Kotone}} to confirm? All the places I've seen were finishing with {{ga|Gold|Hibiki}}. Maybe Leaf takes place of {{ga|Red}} when you play with Kotone. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Well many have confirmed her not to be in HGSS, should I undo the trivia just in case? She might be in beta?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:41, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think it is too early to say it, it's better to undo it until someone who has finished with {{ga|Kotone}} to confirm. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::Alright, I'll do unless you already did.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS (again) ==

Is it ''really'' confirmed that she is not in HGSS? Has ''anyone'' finished the game with <s>Soul</s> {{ga|Kotone}} to see if she is not in the place of Red? If not, the right thing to do is to remove this trivia. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, anyone answered, and people keep insisting on putting that freaking piece of trivia. It would be excellent if someone say ''where'' it is confirmed. I'm really sorry for bothering, but I just want to know if.someone.has.finished.with.kotone.and.proved.it. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Could you please stop asking already? I'm sure they are working on it. Be patient. I would do it myself but my rom always messes up by the time I reach Violet City. I have to wait a few weeks until I get the real game. We are not saying that she's in the game and we are not saying that she isn't. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::People have ripped all of the trainer sprites (including the event-only Giovanni... at least, I believe he's event-only) from the game. Leaf is not included in them. I don't have the game or ROM to go through the game with Kotone just to double-check, though... [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♪]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I know it, it will take time, but ''I'' am also working on it. But people are insisting to put that trivia ''"[...] she does not appear in the games."'', and we do not have clear confirmation yet. I'll hide it, okay? Sorry again for bothering. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Leave it hidden. Although, Tina's comment gives great weight to Red staying there. Not to mention that there are a billion and one Red references. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::Made it to Pallet. The mailbox says "Red's house". So yeah. I don't think she's here. However, there is a slim possiblity of her name being changed to Red in this game. But I highly doubt it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, I think it's already been proven that Leaf isn't in HG/SS from what I know after watching the HG video with Kotone in it. I think it might be possible that the designers may have planned her to be in HG/SS. I don't know about you guys but do you think she could be in beta?{{unsigned|LeafGreen}}
::::::::Yeah, I actually {{tt|[http://community.livejournal.com/pokemon/3055811.html found her hidden in the game]|I'm totally trollin', guys.}}. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 05:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Well today, I made it to the top of Mt Silver as Kotone. Guess who was there? Give you a hint, it wasn't Leaf :D --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

== Absence in other canons? ==

From what I've seen, she only appears in Special, as Blue, and in Firered/Leafgreen. Not in the anime, not in any other manga, not in any cards, not any figurines, etc.. I've only ever seen two official arts for her, the regular one and one with her and a Combusken. Does she appear in any other media? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:00, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:Can you provide a shot of the one with the Combusken? Or a link?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:35, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:: [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/6588.jpg This]. I think that's from the Game Freak website, they have had tons of official art there. Well, she did appear in that "Pocket Monsters" manga, so that counts..But, only two manga counterparts, and her one game appearence? She still seems pretty absent. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 00:45, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
She appears in Pokemon Colosseum too or is that just a cameo or beta thing because Red, May, and Brendon have are there [[User:Pika Blue|Pika Blue]] 7:29, 3 November 2009
:Does she appear in a playable way, or is it just a background thing?--[[User:Champion Victoria|Champion Victoria]] 11:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
That i really don't know all i know is that her image is there somewhere i haven't played the game myself i think its part of some marketing ploy at the time to get people to buy LeafGreen and FireRed along with Sapphire, Ruby, and Emerald.Because like I said before May, Red, and Brendon are there too. [[User:Pika Blue|Pika Blue]] 12:20, 22 December 2009

== Can I add this? ==

That leaf's clothes are opposites to Red's. As in Red's pants are the same color as her shirt and her red's shirt is the same color as her skirt. Same as for his and hers hats. Basically its showing they are counterparts.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:14, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::It seems notable enough to add, no other characters share that yet. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 05:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Alright then, lets see what happens.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Seems like a ridiculously convoluted way of saying it. Considering that all of the other game characters who are male/female counterparts wear similar clothes... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

== Is this Leaf? ==

Where did this [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/botunennga.jpg image] come from? It seems to have something to do with this [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/6588.jpg one]. Those are the only two non-main official Leaf artwork I know of, they're all by Sugimori too. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:Wow neat find, I'm not sure, it looks like leaf, umm is it just random artwork or like the TCG?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
::The first one I think doesn't have enough color to distinguish much--take off the brim of the hat and it would probably more resemble Dawn. The second one, however, as far as I can tell, is definitely based off this design (nevermind the fact that she's near a Pokémon heavily associated with May). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:28, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Blue eyes? ==

Doesn't Red's sprite show him with blue eyes too? Plus, her pre-game sprite shows her with brown eyes, doesn't it? Her back sprite seems to show her with brown eyes too. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:03, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Title ==

Could someone upload Leaf's Title sprite from FRLG? Red has his, but Leaf doesn't. --[[User:ShinyPikachu/Petition|Never Give Up]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 13:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS ==

The article says her name was in the games. Does that mean she was supposed to be in it, or is her name just there for another reason? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:You mean about the name "Leaf" is alternates for Dawn and Kotone? That just means they just share name. Or where soy talking about something out. Or do you mean about the dummied-out character? That was for FRLG.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 22:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::It should say FRLG then, because in that context it makes it sound like they're talking about HGSS. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 18:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:"Leaf's name was found in HeartGold and SoulSilver's data as a dummied-out opponent Trainer, alongside Red (whose name is Red as it was before)." Seems like they're talking about HGSS. Is this information correct anyway? >_> -- [[User:Zedd|Zedd]] 14:16, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
::It IS true. But that's in FRLG, not HGSS. That's where her name comes from also. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== Credits sprite ==

It's a little bit botched. Can someone make a new animation?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==
Both, Leaf and Red artoworks are holding pokeball and VS-seeker. This could be nice trivia? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Banetoid}} ([[User talk:Banetoid|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Banetoid|contribs]]) ''

:No. There's nothing trivia worthy about that. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 06:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

==Cameo ==
First, sorry for my english
I haven`t played this game but I know that Drill Dozer was made by Gamefreak and I found this
http://www.spriters-resource.com/gameboy_advance/drilldozer/sheet/19334
I looks like one of Jill costumes is the same as Leaf.
This could be a trivia.
:Neat find. I think so.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 21:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

== Is this looking too much into it? ==

Leaf and Kris are the first female players of their regions and are not reused again?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== Why Leaf and not Green? ==

Okay, honestly, this makes no sense. I understand that you're taking the internal data as evidence, but internal data shouldn't always be taken as canon. If we named every character based on the internal data, then Blue would be called Terry, and Barry would be called Cedric, among others. Their internal files are called that for whatever reason, but that doesn't mean that it should be their official name. I understand that your reasoning for using the internal data to support the name "Leaf" is because she's never officially named in game, unlike Red, Blue, Ethan, Lyra, Brendan, May, Lucas, Dawn, etc., but there [i]is[/i] evidence outside of game canon that supports the name "Green". Yes, most of the time you shouldn't take media outside of game canon as evidence, but that's exactly what you did when you decided to name the DPPt Rival "Barry", isn't it? And why did you do that? Because it was the most logical choice. The name "Barry" is present in the games as one of the preset names, and it's also supported in other media, media which also uses the canon name of Dawn, so it can be assumed that the name they're using for Barry is the intended canon name for him. Leaf's situation is no different. She's already been named "Green" in the manga (that is, in the English version, since the names of Blue and Green are swapped in Japan, but since this is an English wiki we use the English names), and it fits the Red/Blue/Green naming pattern, so why should we completely ignore those facts and instead go with "Leaf"?! It's just not logical. Whatever the verdict is, she'll always be Green to me, and she should be to everyone else, too. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 08:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:She's Leaf. Period and end of story. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:27, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::Why? Because you say so? Did you even read everything I wrote? You guys did this with Barry, so what's stopping you from doing it with Leaf/Green? —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 15:27, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::This has been discussed before, and there was a perfectly good reason for naming her Leaf. It probably says it in official guidebooks or something. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 18:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm aware that it has been discussed before, but to my knowledge, the only solid evidence to support the name "Leaf" is from internal data. And like I said in my first post, there are so many things wrong with taking the internal data as an official name, especially when there's a much more logical name. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 19:33, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::This is like saying Brendan should be named Ruby. Leaf is what she's known as, that's the end of it. Nothing is stopping ''you'' from calling her Green, but that doesn't make it her real name. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 19:51, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::No, it's not at all like calling Brendan Ruby. Brendan has been officially named in the games, Leaf/Green hasn't. Since we don't have an official name to go by in the games, we should name her based on logic and evidence in other media. Green makes the most sense, and it's backed up by the manga. Leaf doesn't make sense at all. We know that she was planned to be in the Generation I games but never made the cut, so why would we call her Leaf, when the Fire/Leaf thing didn't come until Generation III? And Red isn't called Fire, is he? No, he's called Red, just like Blue is called Blue, and just like how "Leaf" should be called Green. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 20:09, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Red isn't called Fire because he's been named in GSCHGSS. Leaf and the Green from Adventures are different characters, just like Red and Ash are. One's name should not affect the other. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 20:13, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a different situation, though. And although Leaf/Green from FireRed/LeafGreen is a different character from the Adventures Green, they're clearly based on each other. Red and Blue have their canon names in Adventures, so why should we assume that Green's name isn't the canon one used? Yes, later characters are named after their versions in the manga, but those are different generations, where the naming scheme has been changed in the games. In Generation one, their names were all colors, so why should Red's female counterpart be any different? Also, you guys are contradicting yourselves. You used the anime's name for Barry because he didn't have an official name in the games, and that's A-OK to you, but when we're talking about Leaf/Green it's wrong? Why is that? You went with Barry because it was the most logical choice, that's why. It's supported by both the games (as one of the random preset names) ''and'' the anime, and the same anime also uses the official name for the character Dawn, so there's really no reason not to trust it. It was the best choice there was, so you used it. And Green is the best choice for the name of the female protagonist of FireRed/LeafGreen, and planned female protagonist of Generation I, so why aren't we using it? —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 20:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I hope you realize, Tyeforce, that when an admin (TTE no less...) says that it's the end of the convo, then stop. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Sorry, I'd just like to know why he's so set on the name Leaf when Green is the more logical choice. If he's the admin, then he must have approved the change from Pearl to Barry, so why is he sticking with Leaf instead of Green? And if I can't voice my opinion here anymore, can I take it to the forums, or will my thread just be locked and I'll be told to shut up with no reason given like what's happening here?—[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 20:44, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::As much as I'm inclined to disagree with his choice in naming, I believe he is acting in his rights to call the name into question. No one likes to edit a wiki that has draconian admins, after all. However, I believe he's failed to produce the evidence that's required: What is there, ingame, that says her name should be Green? Nothing, as far as I can tell. Barry at least had it as a default name in two games (Barry [the name] was in Platinum, right?). Leaf's absence from Pokémon Canon makes Leaf her only logical name.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 20:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::You talk as if Leaf/Green didn't have "Green" as an option for her name in her games, either. She did, just as is the case with Barry. But Barry's not the ''only'' default name he's given. It's just one among many. So what made Bulbapedia decide to call him Barry? The fact that the anime also calls him that. And the ''same exact situation'' can apply to Leaf/Green. Like Barry, she's never officially named in game, except for the list of default names, of which includes the name "Green". But she's also named Green outside of game canon, just like Barry was named for that exact same reason, so that's what we should call her. If somebody didn't decide to give her the name Leaf (yes, I know that it was based on internal data, but I've already given reasons as to why that can't be taken as an official name) and name this article so, then people would be calling her Green, the most logical choice. It's Bulbapedia's fault that her name is widely accepted as "Leaf" now, just like it was Bulbapedia's fault that so many people started calling the DPPt Rival "Pearl". You have to understand that what you say here greatly affects the entire Pokémon community, so it's very easy for false information to be taken as fact. Now, I'm not saying that it's a ''fact'' that Red's female counterpart is named Green, but there's much more evidence that supports it as opposed to calling her Leaf, and it's just more logical. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 21:09, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:(Gogo Indent Reset) Responding to each claim in order: But you see, it doesn't matter that Green is also an option because we could just as easily substitute in any of her other default names and argue it on that case. Green is only a default if you're playing LeafGreen; for FireRed, she'd just as well be called Fire. As far as Barry is concerned, the name is not only in Diamond, but also Platinum, which gives that name the ingame edge it needs over Clint, the top default name from Pearl. Your arguments that she is Green outside the game canon are pointless because she doesn't exist in any other canon; "Green" from Pokemon Adventures was established long before FireRed and LeafGreen were announced, and is thus an entirely separate character (if the separate wiki articles didn't already clue you in). Barry is named such because it is his default name in Platinum, giving Barry a 2-to-1 bias over Clint, and a 2-0 over Pearl. Leaf has no such out; in FR, she can be called Red or Fire, and in LG she can be called Leaf or Green. Any name is just as likely as the others (except Red, obviously). The ingame data in this case acts as final arbiter: it could have been literally any name and it would have won out (due to being present in both FireRed AND LeafGreen). I still don't see how Green is any more likely than Leaf; Leaf has a spot on the default names list AND the ingame data, where Green only has the default names list. You aren't providing the evidence you need. Probably because it doesn't exist.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 21:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::You're completely ignoring the fact that the character Leaf/Green has existed since Generation I. Not as a playable character, but in official artwork, and we know she was intended to be in the games, but just never made the cut. With that in mind, why would you go with the name "Leaf", which makes no sense, considering that the terms Fire and Leaf hadn't been introduced until Generation III? And I know that she's not the same exact character as the Green in the manga canon-wise, but it's clear as day that the two ''are'' the same character, just in different canon. Since her counterpart and rival have kept their color names throughout the generations, why should her name be an element and not a color? You can through game data at me all you want (by the way, where is your proof that the name "Green" only appears in LeafGreen, but "Leaf" appears in both?), but it just doesn't make sense. Since we no official name for her, have to think about what the developers' intent is. Do you think that they would call her Leaf, or the more logical choice, Green? It would appear that "Green" is the intended name, since it's used in the Adventures manga (which is the closest media to the game canon other than the games themselves), and it fits the color naming scheme. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 21:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::The flaw with your first point is if we go by that logic {{p|Shellos}} would be a Generation III Pokémon. If the character wasn't present in the games, no amount of intention is going to put them there. That puts your question to rest as well; Leaf because the Character didn't exist in Generation I. Saying it's clear as day means nothing; you're talking about 'the manga' like it's somehow more infallible than the games themselves (I must have skipped over the part of the game where my PC was kidnapped by Ho-Oh and spent several years in Johto). As for proof that Leaf is in both games, Leaf is the dummied out name for the character in both games (similar that Red is the default in both games for the dummied out character that had his face, as well as whatever the weird name that Blue had in FRLG). In the naming screen, the opposite game's name is '''never''' an option; You don't start up Red and see Blue as the default name for your character. So it would be reasonable to assume that neither Leaf nor Green are options for the default names in FireRed. Thus there are two separate instances of Leaf (ingame default name and the dummied out trainer with her sprite) and only one instance of Green (the ingame default name). Finally, you have yet to show any proof that Green is more suited than Leaf. Manga-based arguments are irrelevant, as they aren't the same character (even if their bases are the same).--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 22:13, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Just stop arguing pointlessly. People all over call her Leaf. Leaf is the generally excepted name. As for the reason, I don't know. You can wait for TTEchidna to explain why, but don't argue with yourselves, when you don't know all the facts. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 00:38, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Not claiming that Japanese fandom is the be-all end-all by any stretch of the imagination, but I just want to point out that I have never seen ''any'' Japanese fans call Leaf "Blue." They usually call her, indeed, "Leaf" (リーフ). Other names I've seen from J-fandom have been "Fuguri" (フグリ) and "main character♀" (主♀)... never "Blue." Just thought I'd point that out. :3 [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 00:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::What's "Fuguri" mean? Sorry if that's obvious...--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 01:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::"Fuguri" comes from "Rii'''fu guri'''in" (or rather, LeafGreen). :3 [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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 [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:Since it wouldn't let me post for some reason earlier today, I didn't get to post my reply to [[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]]. I'll go ahead and post what I tried to post earlier today but couldn't.

:Even if she wasn't physically present in the Generation I games, if she was, she would've been named Green, not Leaf. Since Red isn't renamed Fire and Blue isn't renamed Water in Generation III, why should we call her Leaf, instead of sticking with colors? And you're confusing me about the default name ''Leaf'''s presence in the games. At first you said that Green is only present in LeafGreen, but Leaf is present in both versions. Now you turn around and say that both Green ''and'' Leaf are only present in LeafGreen. Which is it? If the latter is true, then Green has just as much in game support as Leaf does, excluding unseen dummy files in the game data. You even brought up the fact that Blue's name in the game data is strange, not being Green like it should be (since that's his Japanese name). If we can't trust the internal data for Blue's name, then why should we trust it for Leaf/Green's name? With that said, if you exclude the internal data that can't be taken as fact and media outside of the games, then both names, Green ''and'' Leaf, have the same amount of supporting evidence for them (that is, assuming your first comment about the name Leaf being present in FireRed wasn't true, as you later suggested). They're tied, 1-1. So you have a choice to make. Should you go with the name that's present in placeholder data in the game (which can't be trusted, as shown by Blue's placeholder data), or should you go with the name that's also used in other media, ''and'' is more logical, fitting the color naming scheme? I think the choice is pretty obvious. Green is the name to go with. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 06:13, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::Because she wasn't officially /in/ Gen I can she be inclusive to it. She existed as art and an idea that wouldn't come to fruition until Kris: a heroine choice. She may have "exist", but she is not a canon character until Gen III. This being her official debut, she has nothing to go on but these two games. She cannot be called Green, since FireRed is the Alpha game, making the "Green" character the rival (in essence). But seeing as there is no third game to possibly pawn her off on, the last bit is to chop the title in half, one name for the rival, and one name for the girl. Because the rival isn't officially 'Blue' by Gen III standards, since no Blue game exists in Gen III. Yes, he ''is'' Blue, in every English Gen that ''isn't'' the third. And since he's not Blue, but "Green," she, as a Gen III character, cannot be "Green". Hence. As she is a Gen III character only (so far), she cannot be named by the standards of Gen IV, only her own generation. If she had made an appearance in Gen IV...only ''then'' could her name be argued beyond the scope of her limited exposure. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, now ''that'' makes sense. I hadn't thought of it that way. ''Thank you'' for actually providing logical evidence besides placeholder data that can't be trusted or fandom nonsense. If someone would have pointed that out a long time ago, I would've never argued over her name. So, again, I thank you for being the one to provide real, logical, valid evidence as to why she should be called Leaf. No longer will I call her Green. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 03:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Fuguri ==

Do you know that it means "testicles" in Japanese? Whoever calls her that, he's probably NOT serious about this name. And this makes this not trivia-worthy. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:I do know that it means that, but fans do seriously call her by that name, and in a perfectly well-meaning manner. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:Kay, so some kind anons on 2ch were able to clear up for me the true origins behind the name "Fuguri." Here's the answer that I ultimately received.
::''The very first FireRed/LeafGreen thread was titled "FireRed LeafGreen" (ファイアレッドリーフグリーン) without the &.''
::''Because of that, people responded with, "FireRedLee & Fugurin (ファイアレッドリー＆フグリーン)? What an obscene title!"''
::''I have a feeling that's how the "Fuguri" thing started.''
::''Incidentally, the male protagonist was also called "Red Lee." Though now the names "Remake Red" and "Leaf" have permeated [the fandom].''
:So yes, while it started out as a joke because of the word "scrotum," it turned into a legitimate fandom name for her, and people do call her that in all seriousness, without any obscene intentions behind it. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 00:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think it's somewhat like the fail pronunciation of Lyra's name as "Coat Own". They see "ko" and know "co", but "tone" doesn't read to them as two syllables, since it's an English word. And no one cares to read up on kana. You'd know someone meant Lyra if they called her Coat Own in a video. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Leaf (game)

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Tyeforce: /* Why Leaf and not Green? */

So who made up that name? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 17:22, 2 February 2006 (CST)

:I want to know that too. Following the trend that the 1st and 2nd gen games set, her name should be Green, or Blue in the Japanese version. I'm guessing someone just chose one of the optional names from FRLG and gave it to her when they made the article. There's no real basis for her name being "Leaf", so shouldn't we go by precedence, as was done with Gold, Silver and Kris, and just call her Green?. -Shaddow Boy

::For an English Language Version, Green is accurate, however [[Green (game)]] already directs to Blue, does it not?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 00:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

:Internal game data. There is a trainer, presumably used for debugging, with the sprite of the male player, and another trainer with the sprite of the female player. The male one is named Red, but the female is named Leaf for some strange reason. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 09:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
::English version or Japanese? --WikidSmaht 08:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Both. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::::This isn't really a good habit to get into. If we start taking unused data as official canon, then Professor Oak started with Squirtle, the Safari Zone had no Pokemon in it 3 years after Red and Blue, and that the Lake of Rage is still a town. It just doesn't make sense. Fire Red and Leaf Green have officially fixed Green's (male rival's), name to that of the original, leaving lone Blue, the third version gal, without a truly official name. While logic would suggest we should call her Blue due to the Manga as well as Blue being the color generation's third game, we are stuck basing her name on what can only be called speculation. Unused Data =/= Fact. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 15:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Er, no. When it comes to the games' canon, internal game data > manga name. Otherwise we should be calling Brendan "Ruby" and May "Sapphire".
:::::And no offense, but your analogies are the ones that don't make sense to me. The prototypical Safari Zone in GSC doens't have wild Pokémon because the wild encounters data was never written, not because it was originally meant to not have Pokémon. And the finished versions of the games retconned Profesor Oak into not being a fight-able trainer, and the Lake of Rage into being just a lake are, not a town. But neither the finished games not Nintendo officially revealed a name for the FR/LG female protagonist, so if her name during the development stages was Leaf (which in-game data seems to prove it was), then it should still be, since there isn't evidence to make us believe that it was retconned into another name. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 00:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Well we can't call her Blue, because [[Blue (game)]] is the rival. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 01:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:If only GSDS would become reality, we'd know for sure, since then we'd have to find out what happened to her as well as Red. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
::We don't need another sequel. Besides her name, the answers are right here in front of us. The [[Blue (game)]] has officially been renamed as Green. All we have to do with the old article is point out that his English name used to be Blue, and was later changed back into Green. [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 01:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::No, it has not been officially renamed. The rival's first default name for the Red version does not qualify as the character's official name. For all we know, his name could still be "Blue," just because it's not a default name doesn't mean it's been officially changed. Taking evidence from all the games supports that the rival is Blue and the girl is unnamed (leaving us with Green), but the idea that Blue has become Green is just fan speculation. I also agree that we can't go taking in-game data as official, and believe the name of the girl should be Green until Nintendo proves otherwise.--[[User:Mezase Master|Mezase Master]]
::::No to you, Mezase Master. First of all, you'll give the reason to most of us when we claim that Blue, this is, Japanese Green, is now Green outside of Japan as well since FRLG. Why do I say this? Because of HGSS and in-game data. And if internal game data says that her name is Leaf in both Japanese and English versions, then we have to assume it is as such. It's like you're claiming that Nintendo, specially the American and European divisions, don't screw up on the manuals and stuff. Even if such material is official, it doesn't mean it's correct and in-game data is the superior form of canon in the Pokémon franchise, so I say you're wrong. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::BTW, I e-mailed Nintendo of America back in late 2008 and asked them what was the official name of the female player character in FRLG. They told me that there isn't any and that players can name characters as they pretend (we all know that happens in every game except the rival in RSE), so we only have in-game data left. And if in-game data says that the name is Leaf, it's because it is. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 12:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Her name can't be "Green" because is the rival's name in the games already [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]] 16:06, 24 September 2007
: Her name isn't "Green". It's "Blue". [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 15:55, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
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Okay, that manga information should definitely be in a separate article. But what series is it referring to? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 05:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

== RBG picture ==

So, supposedly she's based off of a picture from an old guidebook. Does anybody have an copy of this picture? I'm curious to see it.

== Blue artwork? ==

I found an image that appears to be the artwork described in the article. Is this it? [http://www.sailorteam.com/fakecard/starters/rgb.jpg]

It doesn't show her face, unfortunately. [[User:GigaMetroid99|GigaMetroid99]] 02:43, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:We're not sure it's her but she does resemble Blue (Green in the U.S)--[[Santa Claus|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::I was just wondering if that was the picture that the article described with:

''Leaf was supposed to be in the original Red and Green versions, due to the fact that on Nintendo's Official guidebook, it depicted a female trainer with long brown hair, a black dress, white gloves and short black boots, alongside the male protagonist and the rival. It is believed she was supposed to be in the game, but was left out for some reason.''

If that's the right image, it should be added to the article to show viewers how she would have looked.[[User:GigaMetroid99|GigaMetroid99]] 01:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:: I'm confused I thought the picture already was in the article.... I made a copy of it from somewhere...--[[User:Marhawkman|Marhawkman]] 02:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
::: Oh yeah, I remember reading in one of the articles something about how there are bits of code in red and green that treat the gender of the player character as a variable. wouldn't this be additional confirmation?--[[User:Marhawkman|Marhawkman]] 15:09, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== Her back sprite ==

It may be me but her back sprite,and Red's,makes it look like she has brown eyes,despite what the trainer card shows. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 02:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Rival = Blue? or Green? HGSS ==

Well, being that the rival's name also complicates things, as TTEchidna said, if the Viridian City gym leader in Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver is Leader (or Gym Leader) Blue, then it's back to the drawing board, but if he's Leader (or Gym Leader) Green, the name of the female player character of FireRed & LeafGreen may very well be Blue then.
:Her name will be Leaf regardless. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Wouldn't the situation change if she appears in HG/SS under a different name? [[User:Tsum|Tsum]] 04:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:It might but I think if the English translation calls the Viridian Leader "Green" to go with FireRed and Leaf''Green'', and has Red still in Mt. Silver, then this girl being Blue would confuse people due to Green being Blue in Gen II because before it was Red and ''Blue''. Leaf fits her best of all, unless they were to go a completely odd route and go with actual given names, in which case I'd bet that Red would be Satoshi in Japan and Ash here, Green is Shigeru/Gary, and Leafy-poo is Ashley. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== The only one not to appear in the anime? ==

Wouldn't Soul count? Also,what about Mark,Mint,Wes,Michael,Lucy,Kate, and Lunick? Or do it just refer to the main games. Even so,what about Soul? Or is it still up for grabs that she is just a redesign of Kris,and not a seperate character? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:39, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Soul's game hasn't even been released. Of course she hasn't appeared in the anime yet. If she appears, she will probably show up during the 13th or 14th seasons, late 12th at the earliest, assuming they return to Johto after the Sinnoh League and the Sinnoh GF. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 04:36, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== Apperence in HGSS? ==

If she's not, so should that be mentioned if she is not? Just saying b/c of the games comming out today.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:43, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:It doesn't appear so. Just Red. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
::Alright was that added to article?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Has anyone finished the game with {{ga|Kotone}} to confirm? All the places I've seen were finishing with {{ga|Gold|Hibiki}}. Maybe Leaf takes place of {{ga|Red}} when you play with Kotone. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Well many have confirmed her not to be in HGSS, should I undo the trivia just in case? She might be in beta?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:41, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think it is too early to say it, it's better to undo it until someone who has finished with {{ga|Kotone}} to confirm. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::Alright, I'll do unless you already did.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS (again) ==

Is it ''really'' confirmed that she is not in HGSS? Has ''anyone'' finished the game with <s>Soul</s> {{ga|Kotone}} to see if she is not in the place of Red? If not, the right thing to do is to remove this trivia. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, anyone answered, and people keep insisting on putting that freaking piece of trivia. It would be excellent if someone say ''where'' it is confirmed. I'm really sorry for bothering, but I just want to know if.someone.has.finished.with.kotone.and.proved.it. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Could you please stop asking already? I'm sure they are working on it. Be patient. I would do it myself but my rom always messes up by the time I reach Violet City. I have to wait a few weeks until I get the real game. We are not saying that she's in the game and we are not saying that she isn't. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::People have ripped all of the trainer sprites (including the event-only Giovanni... at least, I believe he's event-only) from the game. Leaf is not included in them. I don't have the game or ROM to go through the game with Kotone just to double-check, though... [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♪]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::::I know it, it will take time, but ''I'' am also working on it. But people are insisting to put that trivia ''"[...] she does not appear in the games."'', and we do not have clear confirmation yet. I'll hide it, okay? Sorry again for bothering. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Leave it hidden. Although, Tina's comment gives great weight to Red staying there. Not to mention that there are a billion and one Red references. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::Made it to Pallet. The mailbox says "Red's house". So yeah. I don't think she's here. However, there is a slim possiblity of her name being changed to Red in this game. But I highly doubt it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, I think it's already been proven that Leaf isn't in HG/SS from what I know after watching the HG video with Kotone in it. I think it might be possible that the designers may have planned her to be in HG/SS. I don't know about you guys but do you think she could be in beta?{{unsigned|LeafGreen}}
::::::::Yeah, I actually {{tt|[http://community.livejournal.com/pokemon/3055811.html found her hidden in the game]|I'm totally trollin', guys.}}. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 05:32, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Well today, I made it to the top of Mt Silver as Kotone. Guess who was there? Give you a hint, it wasn't Leaf :D --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

== Absence in other canons? ==

From what I've seen, she only appears in Special, as Blue, and in Firered/Leafgreen. Not in the anime, not in any other manga, not in any cards, not any figurines, etc.. I've only ever seen two official arts for her, the regular one and one with her and a Combusken. Does she appear in any other media? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:00, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:Can you provide a shot of the one with the Combusken? Or a link?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:35, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:: [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/6588.jpg This]. I think that's from the Game Freak website, they have had tons of official art there. Well, she did appear in that "Pocket Monsters" manga, so that counts..But, only two manga counterparts, and her one game appearence? She still seems pretty absent. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 00:45, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
She appears in Pokemon Colosseum too or is that just a cameo or beta thing because Red, May, and Brendon have are there [[User:Pika Blue|Pika Blue]] 7:29, 3 November 2009
:Does she appear in a playable way, or is it just a background thing?--[[User:Champion Victoria|Champion Victoria]] 11:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
That i really don't know all i know is that her image is there somewhere i haven't played the game myself i think its part of some marketing ploy at the time to get people to buy LeafGreen and FireRed along with Sapphire, Ruby, and Emerald.Because like I said before May, Red, and Brendon are there too. [[User:Pika Blue|Pika Blue]] 12:20, 22 December 2009

== Can I add this? ==

That leaf's clothes are opposites to Red's. As in Red's pants are the same color as her shirt and her red's shirt is the same color as her skirt. Same as for his and hers hats. Basically its showing they are counterparts.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:14, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::It seems notable enough to add, no other characters share that yet. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 05:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Alright then, lets see what happens.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Seems like a ridiculously convoluted way of saying it. Considering that all of the other game characters who are male/female counterparts wear similar clothes... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

== Is this Leaf? ==

Where did this [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/botunennga.jpg image] come from? It seems to have something to do with this [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/6588.jpg one]. Those are the only two non-main official Leaf artwork I know of, they're all by Sugimori too. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:Wow neat find, I'm not sure, it looks like leaf, umm is it just random artwork or like the TCG?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
::The first one I think doesn't have enough color to distinguish much--take off the brim of the hat and it would probably more resemble Dawn. The second one, however, as far as I can tell, is definitely based off this design (nevermind the fact that she's near a Pokémon heavily associated with May). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:28, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Blue eyes? ==

Doesn't Red's sprite show him with blue eyes too? Plus, her pre-game sprite shows her with brown eyes, doesn't it? Her back sprite seems to show her with brown eyes too. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:03, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== Title ==

Could someone upload Leaf's Title sprite from FRLG? Red has his, but Leaf doesn't. --[[User:ShinyPikachu/Petition|Never Give Up]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 13:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS ==

The article says her name was in the games. Does that mean she was supposed to be in it, or is her name just there for another reason? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:You mean about the name "Leaf" is alternates for Dawn and Kotone? That just means they just share name. Or where soy talking about something out. Or do you mean about the dummied-out character? That was for FRLG.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 22:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::It should say FRLG then, because in that context it makes it sound like they're talking about HGSS. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 18:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:"Leaf's name was found in HeartGold and SoulSilver's data as a dummied-out opponent Trainer, alongside Red (whose name is Red as it was before)." Seems like they're talking about HGSS. Is this information correct anyway? >_> -- [[User:Zedd|Zedd]] 14:16, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
::It IS true. But that's in FRLG, not HGSS. That's where her name comes from also. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== Credits sprite ==

It's a little bit botched. Can someone make a new animation?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==
Both, Leaf and Red artoworks are holding pokeball and VS-seeker. This could be nice trivia? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Banetoid}} ([[User talk:Banetoid|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Banetoid|contribs]]) ''

:No. There's nothing trivia worthy about that. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 06:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

==Cameo ==
First, sorry for my english
I haven`t played this game but I know that Drill Dozer was made by Gamefreak and I found this
http://www.spriters-resource.com/gameboy_advance/drilldozer/sheet/19334
I looks like one of Jill costumes is the same as Leaf.
This could be a trivia.
:Neat find. I think so.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 21:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

== Is this looking too much into it? ==

Leaf and Kris are the first female players of their regions and are not reused again?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== Why Leaf and not Green? ==

Okay, honestly, this makes no sense. I understand that you're taking the internal data as evidence, but internal data shouldn't always be taken as canon. If we named every character based on the internal data, then Blue would be called Terry, and Barry would be called Cedric, among others. Their internal files are called that for whatever reason, but that doesn't mean that it should be their official name. I understand that your reasoning for using the internal data to support the name "Leaf" is because she's never officially named in game, unlike Red, Blue, Ethan, Lyra, Brendan, May, Lucas, Dawn, etc., but there [i]is[/i] evidence outside of game canon that supports the name "Green". Yes, most of the time you shouldn't take media outside of game canon as evidence, but that's exactly what you did when you decided to name the DPPt Rival "Barry", isn't it? And why did you do that? Because it was the most logical choice. The name "Barry" is present in the games as one of the preset names, and it's also supported in other media, media which also uses the canon name of Dawn, so it can be assumed that the name they're using for Barry is the intended canon name for him. Leaf's situation is no different. She's already been named "Green" in the manga (that is, in the English version, since the names of Blue and Green are swapped in Japan, but since this is an English wiki we use the English names), and it fits the Red/Blue/Green naming pattern, so why should we completely ignore those facts and instead go with "Leaf"?! It's just not logical. Whatever the verdict is, she'll always be Green to me, and she should be to everyone else, too. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 08:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:She's Leaf. Period and end of story. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:27, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::Why? Because you say so? Did you even read everything I wrote? You guys did this with Barry, so what's stopping you from doing it with Leaf/Green? —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 15:27, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::This has been discussed before, and there was a perfectly good reason for naming her Leaf. It probably says it in official guidebooks or something. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 18:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm aware that it has been discussed before, but to my knowledge, the only solid evidence to support the name "Leaf" is from internal data. And like I said in my first post, there are so many things wrong with taking the internal data as an official name, especially when there's a much more logical name. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 19:33, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::This is like saying Brendan should be named Ruby. Leaf is what she's known as, that's the end of it. Nothing is stopping ''you'' from calling her Green, but that doesn't make it her real name. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 19:51, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::No, it's not at all like calling Brendan Ruby. Brendan has been officially named in the games, Leaf/Green hasn't. Since we don't have an official name to go by in the games, we should name her based on logic and evidence in other media. Green makes the most sense, and it's backed up by the manga. Leaf doesn't make sense at all. We know that she was planned to be in the Generation I games but never made the cut, so why would we call her Leaf, when the Fire/Leaf thing didn't come until Generation III? And Red isn't called Fire, is he? No, he's called Red, just like Blue is called Blue, and just like how "Leaf" should be called Green. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 20:09, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Red isn't called Fire because he's been named in GSCHGSS. Leaf and the Green from Adventures are different characters, just like Red and Ash are. One's name should not affect the other. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 20:13, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::That's a different situation, though. And although Leaf/Green from FireRed/LeafGreen is a different character from the Adventures Green, they're clearly based on each other. Red and Blue have their canon names in Adventures, so why should we assume that Green's name isn't the canon one used? Yes, later characters are named after their versions in the manga, but those are different generations, where the naming scheme has been changed in the games. In Generation one, their names were all colors, so why should Red's female counterpart be any different? Also, you guys are contradicting yourselves. You used the anime's name for Barry because he didn't have an official name in the games, and that's A-OK to you, but when we're talking about Leaf/Green it's wrong? Why is that? You went with Barry because it was the most logical choice, that's why. It's supported by both the games (as one of the random preset names) ''and'' the anime, and the same anime also uses the official name for the character Dawn, so there's really no reason not to trust it. It was the best choice there was, so you used it. And Green is the best choice for the name of the female protagonist of FireRed/LeafGreen, and planned female protagonist of Generation I, so why aren't we using it? —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 20:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I hope you realize, Tyeforce, that when an admin (TTE no less...) says that it's the end of the convo, then stop. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Sorry, I'd just like to know why he's so set on the name Leaf when Green is the more logical choice. If he's the admin, then he must have approved the change from Pearl to Barry, so why is he sticking with Leaf instead of Green? And if I can't voice my opinion here anymore, can I take it to the forums, or will my thread just be locked and I'll be told to shut up with no reason given like what's happening here?—[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 20:44, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::As much as I'm inclined to disagree with his choice in naming, I believe he is acting in his rights to call the name into question. No one likes to edit a wiki that has draconian admins, after all. However, I believe he's failed to produce the evidence that's required: What is there, ingame, that says her name should be Green? Nothing, as far as I can tell. Barry at least had it as a default name in two games (Barry [the name] was in Platinum, right?). Leaf's absence from Pokémon Canon makes Leaf her only logical name.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 20:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::You talk as if Leaf/Green didn't have "Green" as an option for her name in her games, either. She did, just as is the case with Barry. But Barry's not the ''only'' default name he's given. It's just one among many. So what made Bulbapedia decide to call him Barry? The fact that the anime also calls him that. And the ''same exact situation'' can apply to Leaf/Green. Like Barry, she's never officially named in game, except for the list of default names, of which includes the name "Green". But she's also named Green outside of game canon, just like Barry was named for that exact same reason, so that's what we should call her. If somebody didn't decide to give her the name Leaf (yes, I know that it was based on internal data, but I've already given reasons as to why that can't be taken as an official name) and name this article so, then people would be calling her Green, the most logical choice. It's Bulbapedia's fault that her name is widely accepted as "Leaf" now, just like it was Bulbapedia's fault that so many people started calling the DPPt Rival "Pearl". You have to understand that what you say here greatly affects the entire Pokémon community, so it's very easy for false information to be taken as fact. Now, I'm not saying that it's a ''fact'' that Red's female counterpart is named Green, but there's much more evidence that supports it as opposed to calling her Leaf, and it's just more logical. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 21:09, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:(Gogo Indent Reset) Responding to each claim in order: But you see, it doesn't matter that Green is also an option because we could just as easily substitute in any of her other default names and argue it on that case. Green is only a default if you're playing LeafGreen; for FireRed, she'd just as well be called Fire. As far as Barry is concerned, the name is not only in Diamond, but also Platinum, which gives that name the ingame edge it needs over Clint, the top default name from Pearl. Your arguments that she is Green outside the game canon are pointless because she doesn't exist in any other canon; "Green" from Pokemon Adventures was established long before FireRed and LeafGreen were announced, and is thus an entirely separate character (if the separate wiki articles didn't already clue you in). Barry is named such because it is his default name in Platinum, giving Barry a 2-to-1 bias over Clint, and a 2-0 over Pearl. Leaf has no such out; in FR, she can be called Red or Fire, and in LG she can be called Leaf or Green. Any name is just as likely as the others (except Red, obviously). The ingame data in this case acts as final arbiter: it could have been literally any name and it would have won out (due to being present in both FireRed AND LeafGreen). I still don't see how Green is any more likely than Leaf; Leaf has a spot on the default names list AND the ingame data, where Green only has the default names list. You aren't providing the evidence you need. Probably because it doesn't exist.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 21:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::You're completely ignoring the fact that the character Leaf/Green has existed since Generation I. Not as a playable character, but in official artwork, and we know she was intended to be in the games, but just never made the cut. With that in mind, why would you go with the name "Leaf", which makes no sense, considering that the terms Fire and Leaf hadn't been introduced until Generation III? And I know that she's not the same exact character as the Green in the manga canon-wise, but it's clear as day that the two ''are'' the same character, just in different canons. Since her counterpart and rival have kept their color names throughout the generations, why should her name be an element and not a color? You can through game data at me all you want (by the way, where is your proof that the name "Green" only appears in LeafGreen, but "Leaf" appears in both?), but it just doesn't make sense. Since we no official name for her, have to think about what the developers' intent is. Do you think that they would call her Leaf, or the more logical choice, Green? It would appear that "Green" is the intended name, since it's used in the Adventures manga (which is the closest media to the game canon other than the games themselves), and it fits the color naming scheme. —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 21:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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{{Featured}}
{{GlitchPkmnInfobox
| name=MissingNo.
| jname=けつばん
| tmname=Ketsuban
| image=000{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|1=G|2=A|3=K|4=Y}}.png
| size=80
| caption=MissingNo.'s {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|0=Normal|1=Ghost|2={{p|Aerodactyl}} fossil|3={{p|Kabutops}} fossil|4=Yellow}} form
| ndex=000
| typen=2
| type1={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=Normal|Bird}}
| type2={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=999|Normal}}
| species=???
| height-ftin=10'0"
| height-m=3.0
| weight-lbs=3507.2
| weight-kg=1590.8
| games={{3v2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}
| hex=1F, 20, 32, 34, 38, 3D, 3E, 43, 44, 45, 4F, 50, 51, 56, 57, 5E, 5F, 73, 79, 7A, 7F, 86, 87, 89, 8C, 92, 9C, 9F, A0, A1, A2, AC, AE, AF, B5, {{tt|B6|Kabutops fossil MissingNo.}}, {{tt|B7|Aerodactyl fossil MissingNo.}}, {{tt|B8|Ghost MissingNo.}}
| mewspecial=31, 32, 50, 52, 56, 61, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 79, 80, 81, 86, 87, 94, 95, 115, 121, 122, 127, 134, 135, 137, 140, 146, 156, 159, 160, 161, 162, 172, 174, 175, 181, {{tt|182|Ghost MissingNo.}}, {{tt|183|Aerodactyl fossil MissingNo.}}, {{tt|184|Kabutops fossil MissingNo.}}
| oldmanchar=G, H, J, M, S, T, :, ], a, b, c, m, o, p, v, {{tt|w|Kabutops fossil MissingNo.}}, {{tt|x|Aerodactyl fossil MissingNo.}}, {{tt|y|Ghost MissingNo.}}
| catchrate=3
| generation=1
| gen1equivexists=no
}}

'''MissingNo.''' (Japanese: '''けつばん''' ''Ketsuban'') is a dual-type {{2t|Bird|Normal}} [[Glitch Pokémon]] in {{v2|Red and Blue|s}}, and a dual-type {{2t|Normal|999}} [[Glitch Pokémon]] in {{v|Yellow}}. Due to the ease of which it can be found, it is one of the best-known Glitch Pokémon.

In later generations, other Glitch Pokémon are referred to as "a MissingNo.", despite there being little relation to the one found in {{v2|Red and Blue|s}} or {{v|Yellow}}, except perhaps via a shared number of 000.

MissingNo.'s cry is the game's equivalent of a "blank" cry: a {{p|Nidoran♂}}'s voice with a pitch of 0 and no echo. However, a few MissingNo. have different cries.

If MissingNo.'s Pokédex data is viewed, it will consist of a very long string of glitchy sounds, much like [[.4]] or [[h POKé]]'s entries. However, unlike their entries, MissingNo.'s does not lock up the game.

==Why MissingNo. appears==
MissingNo. appears due to an oversight in the programming of the Old Man's tutorial in [[Viridian City]] on how to catch Pokémon. When the game sets up the battle between the Old Man and a wild {{p|Weedle}}, it needs to change the player's name (temporarily) to "OLD MAN" so that it will display that name, rather than the player's entered name, during the battle.

Due to the limited space in the [[Game Boy]] memory, the programmers decided to use the space where data for [[wild Pokémon]] found in the grass is stored (which is completely blank in Viridian City; only {{m|Surf}}ing and [[Fishing]] data is used) to save the player's name temporarily. Normally, this would cause no abnormal activity, as this data is overwritten when the player moves to a different area.

In all cities, however, this data remains blank, and so the data is never overwritten (as there is nothing new to overwrite it with), and thus, the data that was last entered (be it the player's name or the wild Pokémon data from another area) remains in place. This itself ''still'' causes no harm; however, an oversight in the programming of the tiles used to denote the shore of an island marks them as equivalent to grass. As all [[water routes]] have no ''real'' grass on them, likewise, the data is not overwritten, and so whatever data is in the slots for wild Pokémon found in the grass is used, be it the player's name or wild Pokémon found elsewhere, such as the [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]].

The name of the player has six hexadecimal values in it. The game needs only three "slots" of wild Pokémon data to store this.

The species of wild Pokémon the player encounters along the coast are determined by the third, fifth, and seventh characters of the player's name, while their levels are determined by the second, fourth, and sixth characters, respectively. By knowing which letters and symbols correspond to which species and levels, through the use of certain calculators and charts (such as [http://glitchcity.info/misc/namegen2]), it is possible to set the name of the player at the start of the game to find specific Pokémon at specific levels.

==Forms==
===Normal form===
[[Image:000.png|thumb|frame|right|MissingNo. Normal form.]]
MissingNo. normal form has a sprite that is a strange block of glitched pixels in a backward-L shape. Due to the larger number of characters that can be used to make it appear, it is the most common form. Normal form is a [[hybrid]] of [['M]] and is exclusive to {{2v|Red|Blue}}.
*This form appears through the [[Old man glitch]] if ''G'', ''H'', ''J'', ''M'', ''S'', ''T'', '':'', '']'', ''a'', ''b'', ''c'', ''m'', ''o'', ''p'', or ''v'' is the character in the third, fifth, or seventh slot of the player's chosen name.
*This form appears through the [[Mew glitch]] with a special stat of 31, 32, 50, 52, 56, 61, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 79, 80, 81, 86, 87, 94, 95, 115, 121, 122, 127, 134, 135, 137, 140, 146, 156, 159, 160, 161, 162, 172, 174, 175 or 181.

==={{p|Kabutops}} [[fossil]] form===
[[Image:000K.png|thumb|frame|right|MissingNo. Kabutops fossil form.]]
MissingNo. [[Kabutops]] fossil form uses the sprite of the {{p|Kabutops}} fossil found in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]]. Kabutops fossil form is exclusive to {{2v|Red|Blue}}.
*This form appears through the [[Old man glitch]] if ''w'' is the character in the third, fifth, or seventh slot of the player's chosen name.
*This form appears through the [[Mew glitch]] with a special stat of 182.

==={{p|Aerodactyl}} [[fossil]] form===
[[Image:000A.png|thumb|frame|right|MissingNo. Aerodactyl fossil form.]]
MissingNo. {{p|Aerodactyl}} fossil form uses the sprite of the {{p|Aerodactyl}} fossil found in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]]. Aerodactyl fossil form is exclusive to {{2v|Red|Blue}}.
*This form appears through the [[Old man glitch]] if ''x'' is the character in the third, fifth, or seventh slot of the player's chosen name.
*This form appears through the [[Mew glitch]] with a special stat of 183.

===[[Literal ghost|Ghost]] form===
[[Image:000G.png|thumb|frame|right|MissingNo. Ghost form.]]
MissingNo. Ghost form uses the sprite of the [[Literal ghost|Ghost]] found in [[Pokémon Tower]] if the player does not have the [[Silph Scope]]. Ghost form is exclusive to {{2v|Red|Blue}}.
*This form appears through the [[Old man glitch]] if ''y'' is the character in the third, fifth, or seventh slot of the player's chosen name.
*This form appears through the [[Mew glitch]] with a special stat of 184.

==={{v|Yellow}} form===
[[Image:000Y.png|thumb|frame|right|MissingNo. Yellow form.]]
MissingNo. {{v|Yellow}} form is {{2t|Normal|999}}, whereas MissingNo. forms in {{2v|Red|Blue}} are {{2t|Bird|Normal}}. It uses the palette of {{p|Pikachu}}, and so appears as a yellow and red glitched box. It also causes glitches that MissingNo. in {{2v|Red|Blue}} did not. If caught, it will cause graphical glitches, possibly rendering the player invisible and making duplicates of the player and all other on-screen characters walk in random locations on the screen. Yellow form is exclusive to {{v|Yellow}}.
*This form does not appear through the [[Old man glitch]], as the Old man glitch was removed in {{v|Yellow}}.
*This form appears through the [[Mew glitch]] with a special stat of 31, 32, 61, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69 or 86.

==Glitches caused==
[[Image:Halloffameglitches.png|thumb|right|160px|Examples of corrupted Hall of Fame entries.]]
MissingNo.'s appearance in-battle allows the [[Item duplication glitch#MissingNo. item duplication glitch|item duplication glitch]], which increases the number of items in the 6th bag slot by 128 or 255. It even affects key items, making it nearly impossible to deposit them in the PC.

Encountering MissingNo. has been known to interfere with the save game data in various ways, such as adversely affecting the [[Hall of Fame]] saved data and (if its stats are viewed) messing with some graphics until the stats of a normal Pokémon are viewed.

==Trading MissingNo.==
MissingNo. can be traded from Red and Blue into {{game|Yellow}}, but cannot be traded forward through the [[Time Capsule]] into {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}. In Yellow, MissingNo. levels down to level 1 if it gains any experience, and cannot grow any higher. The only way to use a MissingNo. at a different level in battle is to use a [[link cable]] to battle between two games.

In the trade center, MissingNo., due to its [[index number]], appears as many different [[Generation II]] Pokémon from the perspective of {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}, most commonly {{p|Tyrogue}} (due to the common name of ASH in Generation I). To see which MissingNo. becomes which Pokémon in Generation 2, see [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation I)]]. If the player tries to trade MissingNo., a message will appear stating "''Your <name> appears abnormal''." and the trade will automatically be cancelled. Rarely, if a MissingNo. is successfully traded, it will become the Pokémon it was said to be, and act normally (though it will retain any and all attacks). At this point, it only may be traded back into the Generation I game while the player is still in the Time Capsule (where it will again become a MissingNo.), as if the player leaves, the Generation II game will detect it as a {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} and not allow the player to enter.

==In {{3v|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}==
Though MissingNo. cannot usually be traded into [[Generation II]], it will appear to be a G/S/C Pokémon such as {{p|Remoraid}} or {{p|Stantler}} on the trade screen for Gold/Silver/Crystal, depending on its [[index number]]. If successfully traded to a Generation II game, it will turn into the Pokémon that the Generation II game called it.

==In [[Pokémon Stadium]]==
When viewed in {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}}, MissingNo. will appear as a tiny {{p|Rhydon}} doll (the appearance of a {{m|substitute}}), while in [[Pokémon Stadium 2]], MissingNo. will show up as a {{p|Ditto}}, and if the game is saved via Stadium 2, will then become a Ditto permanently. Capturing MissingNo. in the Game Boy Tower in Pokémon Stadium 1 may cause the cartridge to become unable to be played with Pokémon Stadium.

==Nintendo on MissingNo.==
Nintendo has an official description of MissingNo. listed in their Customer Service troubleshooting section:

<blockquote>"MissingNO is a programming quirk, and not a real part of the game. When you get this, your game can perform strangely, and the graphics will often become scrambled. The MissingNO Pokémon is most often found after you perform the Flight Safari Zone Pokémon trick [or Viridian Old Man trick]. To fix the scrambled graphics, try releasing the MissingNo Pokémon." <ref name="NintendoTroubleshooting">[http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/gameboy/trouble_specificgame.jsp#missingno Nintendo - Consumer Service]</ref></blockquote>

Nintendo was incorrect on the method for fixing graphical issues; releasing MissingNo. did not fix the graphics. The actual way to fix these issues is to view the Pokédex data or stat page of a [[Hybrid glitch Pokémon|hybrid]] or official Pokémon.

==Game data==
===Pokédex entry===
[[Image:MissingnoPokedex3.PNG|thumb|center|MissingNo.'s [[Pokédex]] data]]

===Game locations===
{{AvailabilityGlitch|
type={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=Normal|Bird}}|
type2={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=999|Normal}}|
gen=1 |
rbrarity=[[Glitch Pokémon|Glitch]] |
rbarea=[[Old man glitch]], [[Mew glitch]] |
yrarity=[[Glitch Pokémon|Glitch]] |
yarea=[[Mew glitch]]|
}}

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
===Base stats===
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=expandable|collapsible}}"
|
====In Red/Blue====
|-
|
{{stats/GenI |
HP=33 |
Attack=136 |
Defense=0 |
Special=6 |
Speed=29 |
type=bird |
type2=normal }}

|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
====In Yellow====
|-
|
{{stats/GenI |
HP=178 |
Attack=19 |
Defense=11 |
Special=23 |
Speed=0 |
type=normal |
type2=999 }}
|}

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
===Type effectiveness===
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=expandable|collapsible}}"
|
====In Red/Blue====
|-
|
{{RBY Type effectiveness|
type1=Bird|
type2=Normal|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 0 |
Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
notes=yes|
glitch=primary}}

|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
====In Yellow====
|-
|
{{RBY Type effectiveness|
type1=Normal|
type2=999|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 0 |
Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
notes=yes|
glitch=secondary}}
|}

===Learnset===
{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|0=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Normal form=====
|-
|
{{Movelistglitch|Bird|Normal|1|Missigno.}}
{{mlentry1|Start|Water Gun|Water|40|100|25}}
{{mlentry1|Start|Water Gun|Water|40|100|25}}
{{mlentry1|Start|Sky Attack|Flying|140|90|5}}
{{mlentry1|136|Pound|Normal|40|100|35||'''}}
{{movelist/note}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|1=collapsible|2=collapsible|3=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Ghost, Aerodactyl fossil and Kabutops fossil forms=====
|-
|
The leveling up learnset of the Ghost, Aerodactyl fossil and Kabutops fossil forms are the same as the Pokémon whose data was accessed last.
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Yellow form=====
|-
|
{{Movelistglitch|Normal|999|1|Missigno.}}
{{mlentry1|Start|Pay Day|Normal|40|100|20||'''}}
{{mlentry1|Start|Bind|Normal|15|75|20||'''}}
{{mlentry1|Start|Water Gun|Water|40|100|25}}
{{movelist/note}}
|}

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|0=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Normal form=====
|-
|
{{Movelistglitch|Bird|Normal|1|Missigno.|tm}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM01]]|Mega Punch|Normal|80|85|20||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM02]]|Razor Wind|Normal|80|100|10||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM03]]|Swords Dance|Normal|—|—|30}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM05]]|Mega Kick|Normal|100|75|5||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|—|85|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM09]]|Take Down|Normal|90|85|20||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM10]]|Double-Edge|Normal|120|100|15||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM11]]|BubbleBeam|Water|65|100|20}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM13]]|Ice Beam|Ice|95|100|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM14]]|Blizzard|Ice|120|70|5}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM17]]|Submission|Fighting|80|80|25}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM19]]|Seismic Toss|Fighting|—|100|20}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM20]]|Rage|Normal|20|100|20||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|120|70|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM26]]|Earthquake|Ground|100|100|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM27]]|Fissure|Ground|—|30|5}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM29]]|Psychic|Psychic|90|100|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM30]]|Teleport|Psychic|—|—|20}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM43]]|Sky Attack|Flying|140|90|5}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|—|—|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM45]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|—|100|20}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM49]]|Tri Attack|Normal|80|100|10||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM50]]|Substitute|Normal|—|—|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[HM01]]|Cut|Normal|50|95|30||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[HM02]]|Fly|Flying|70|95|15}}
{{movelist/note}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|1=collapsible|2=collapsible|3=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Ghost, Aerodactyl fossil and Kabutops fossil forms=====
|-
|
The TM/HM learnset of the Ghost, Aerodactyl fossil and Kabutops fossil forms are the same as the Pokémon whose data was accessed last.
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Yellow form=====
|-
|
Yellow form Missingno learns no TMs or HMs.
|}

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
===Evolution===

|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|0=collapsible|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
|-
|
{{GlitchEvobox/Formes
|sprite1=000
|name1=MissingNo.
|forme1=Normal Form
|loc1=Most index nos.
|type1-1=Bird
|type2-1=Normal
|sprite2=000Y
|forme2=Yellow Form
|loc2=Most index nos.
|type1-2=Normal
|type2-2=999}}

|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|1=collapsible|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
|-
|
{{GlitchEvobox/Formes
|sprite1=000G
|name1=MissingNo.
|forme1=Ghost Form
|loc1=182
|type1-1=Bird
|type2-1=Normal
|sprite2=000Y
|forme2=Yellow Form
|loc2=182
|type1-2=Normal
|type2-2=999}}

|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|2=collapsible|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
|-
|
{{GlitchEvobox/Formes
|sprite1=000A
|name1=MissingNo.
|forme1=Aerodactyl fossil Form
|loc1=183
|type1-1=Bird
|type2-1=Normal
|sprite2=000Y
|forme2=Yellow Form
|loc2=183
|type1-2=Normal
|type2-2=999}}

|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|3=collapsible|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
|-
|
{{GlitchEvobox/Formes
|sprite1=000K
|name1=MissingNo.
|forme1=Kabutops fossil Form
|loc1=184
|type1-1=Bird
|type2-1=Normal
|sprite2=000Y
|forme2=Yellow Form
|loc2=184
|type1-2=Normal
|type2-2=999}}
|}

==Trivia==
* If counted among normal Pokémon, MissingNo. has the highest {{stat|Attack}} [[base stat]] of all in {{v2|Red and Blue|s}} and {{v|Yellow}}; and the ninth highest of all Pokémon as of [[Generation IV]].
**Likewise, it has the lowest {{stat|Defense}} base stat of any Pokémon, and the third lowest {{stat|Speed}} base stat.
* MissingNo. is much [[List of Pokémon by weight|heavier]] than any regular Pokémon. MissingNo. is about four times heavier than 'M. MissingNo. is about half the weight of [[h POKé]], the heaviest known Pokémon of any kind.
* MissingNo.'s height is 10'0". [['M]] is more than twice as tall as MissingNo.. This makes MissingNo. the [[List of Pokémon by height|19th tallest Pokémon]] when compared to non-Glitch Pokémon.
* In its normal form, it has the same learnset as [['M]] except 'M can learn {{m|Substitute}} via [[TM50]].
* In 2010, MissingNo. was entered into GameFAQs' 8th annual Character Battle. It advanced to the third round by defeating {{wp|Crono}} and {{smw|Yoshi}} before losing to [[wp:Sephiroth (Final Fantasy)|Sephiroth]].<ref>http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/cb8_bracket.html</ref>

==Name origin==
MissingNo.'s English and Japanese names are both derived from "missing number", a reference to its number as 000, the missing number before 001, {{p|Bulbasaur}}.

==External links==
*[[wp:MissingNo.|Article on Wikipedia]]
*[http://www.blue-reflections.net/ragecandybar/projects/missingno/ RAGECANDYBAR MissingNo. Project]

==References==
<references/>

{{GlitchPkmn}} 
{{Project Glitchdex notice}}
[[Category:Glitch Pokémon]]
[[Category:Game mechanics]]
[[Category:Glitches]]

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[[pt:Missingno (pokémon)]]

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{{Featured}}
{{GlitchPkmnInfobox
| name=MissingNo.
| jname=けつばん
| tmname=Ketsuban
| image=000{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|1=G|2=A|3=K|4=Y}}.png
| size=80
| caption=MissingNo.'s {{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|0=Normal|1=Ghost|2={{p|Aerodactyl}} fossil|3={{p|Kabutops}} fossil|4=Yellow}} form
| ndex=000
| typen=2
| type1={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=Normal|Bird}}
| type2={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=999|Normal}}
| species=???
| height-ftin=10'0"
| height-m=3.0
| weight-lbs=3507.2
| weight-kg=1590.8
| games={{3v2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}
| hex=1F, 20, 32, 34, 38, 3D, 3E, 43, 44, 45, 4F, 50, 51, 56, 57, 5E, 5F, 73, 79, 7A, 7F, 86, 87, 89, 8C, 92, 9C, 9F, A0, A1, A2, AC, AE, AF, B5, {{tt|B6|Kabutops fossil MissingNo.}}, {{tt|B7|Aerodactyl fossil MissingNo.}}, {{tt|B8|Ghost MissingNo.}}
| mewspecial=31, 32, 50, 52, 56, 61, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 79, 80, 81, 86, 87, 94, 95, 115, 121, 122, 127, 134, 135, 137, 140, 146, 156, 159, 160, 161, 162, 172, 174, 175, 181, {{tt|182|Ghost MissingNo.}}, {{tt|183|Aerodactyl fossil MissingNo.}}, {{tt|184|Kabutops fossil MissingNo.}}
| oldmanchar=G, H, J, M, S, T, :, ], a, b, c, m, o, p, v, {{tt|w|Kabutops fossil MissingNo.}}, {{tt|x|Aerodactyl fossil MissingNo.}}, {{tt|y|Ghost MissingNo.}}
| catchrate=3
| generation=1
| gen1equivexists=no
}}

'''MissingNo.''' (Japanese: '''けつばん''' ''Ketsuban'') is a dual-type {{2t|Bird|Normal}} [[Glitch Pokémon]] in {{v2|Red and Blue|s}}, and a dual-type {{2t|Normal|999}} [[Glitch Pokémon]] in {{v|Yellow}}. Due to the ease of which it can be found, it is one of the best-known Glitch Pokémon.

In later generations, other Glitch Pokémon are referred to as "a MissingNo.", despite there being little relation to the one found in {{v2|Red and Blue|s}} or {{v|Yellow}}, except perhaps via a shared number of 000.

MissingNo.'s cry is the game's equivalent of a "blank" cry: a {{p|Nidoran♂}}'s voice with a pitch of 0 and no echo. However, a few MissingNo. have different cries.

If MissingNo.'s Pokédex data is viewed, it will consist of a very long string of glitchy sounds, much like [[.4]] or [[h POKé]]'s entries. However, unlike their entries, MissingNo.'s does not lock up the game.

==Why Missingno. appears==
Missingno. appears due to an oversight in the programming of the Old Man's tutorial in [[Viridian City]] on how to catch Pokémon. When the game sets up the battle between the Old Man and a wild {{p|Weedle}}, it needs to change the player's name (temporarily) to "OLD MAN" so that it will display that name, rather than the player's entered name, during the battle.

Due to the limited space in the [[Game Boy]] memory, the programmers decided to use the space where data for [[wild Pokémon]] found in the grass is stored (which is completely blank in Viridian City; only {{m|Surf}}ing and [[Fishing]] data is used) to save the player's name temporarily. Normally, this would cause no abnormal activity, as this data is overwritten when the player moves to a different area.

In all cities, however, this data remains blank, and so the data is never overwritten (as there is nothing new to overwrite it with), and thus, the data that was last entered (be it the player's name or the wild Pokémon data from another area) remains in place. This itself ''still'' causes no harm; however, an oversight in the programming of the tiles used to denote the shore of an island marks them as equivalent to grass. As all [[water routes]] have no ''real'' grass on them, likewise, the data is not overwritten, and so whatever data is in the slots for wild Pokémon found in the grass is used, be it the player's name or wild Pokémon found elsewhere, such as the [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]].

The name of the player has six hexadecimal values in it. The game needs only three "slots" of wild Pokémon data to store this.

The species of wild Pokémon the player encounters along the coast are determined by the third, fifth, and seventh characters of the player's name, while their levels are determined by the second, fourth, and sixth characters, respectively. By knowing which letters and symbols correspond to which species and levels, through the use of certain calculators and charts (such as [http://glitchcity.info/misc/namegen2]), it is possible to set the name of the player at the start of the game to find specific Pokémon at specific levels.

==Forms==
===Normal form===
[[Image:000.png|thumb|frame|right|Missingno. Normal form.]]
Missingno. normal form has a sprite that is a strange block of glitched pixels in a backward-L shape. Due to the larger number of characters that can be used to make it appear, it is the most common form. Normal form is a [[hybrid]] of [['M]] and is exclusive to {{2v|Red|Blue}}.
*This form appears through the [[Old man glitch]] if ''G'', ''H'', ''J'', ''M'', ''S'', ''T'', '':'', '']'', ''a'', ''b'', ''c'', ''m'', ''o'', ''p'', or ''v'' is the character in the third, fifth, or seventh slot of the player's chosen name.
*This form appears through the [[Mew glitch]] with a special stat of 31, 32, 50, 52, 56, 61, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 79, 80, 81, 86, 87, 94, 95, 115, 121, 122, 127, 134, 135, 137, 140, 146, 156, 159, 160, 161, 162, 172, 174, 175 or 181.

==={{p|Kabutops}} [[fossil]] form===
[[Image:000K.png|thumb|frame|right|Missingno. Kabutops fossil form.]]
Missingno. [[Kabutops]] fossil form uses the sprite of the {{p|Kabutops}} fossil found in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]]. Kabutops fossil form is exclusive to {{2v|Red|Blue}}.
*This form appears through the [[Old man glitch]] if ''w'' is the character in the third, fifth, or seventh slot of the player's chosen name.
*This form appears through the [[Mew glitch]] with a special stat of 182.

==={{p|Aerodactyl}} [[fossil]] form===
[[Image:000A.png|thumb|frame|right|Missingno. Aerodactyl fossil form.]]
Missingno. {{p|Aerodactyl}} fossil form uses the sprite of the {{p|Aerodactyl}} fossil found in the [[Pewter Museum of Science]]. Aerodactyl fossil form is exclusive to {{2v|Red|Blue}}.
*This form appears through the [[Old man glitch]] if ''x'' is the character in the third, fifth, or seventh slot of the player's chosen name.
*This form appears through the [[Mew glitch]] with a special stat of 183.

===[[Literal ghost|Ghost]] form===
[[Image:000G.png|thumb|frame|right|Missingno. Ghost form.]]
Missingno. Ghost form uses the sprite of the [[Literal ghost|Ghost]] found in [[Pokémon Tower]] if the player does not have the [[Silph Scope]]. Ghost form is exclusive to {{2v|Red|Blue}}.
*This form appears through the [[Old man glitch]] if ''y'' is the character in the third, fifth, or seventh slot of the player's chosen name.
*This form appears through the [[Mew glitch]] with a special stat of 184.

==={{v|Yellow}} form===
[[Image:000Y.png|thumb|frame|right|Missingno. Yellow form.]]
Missingno. {{v|Yellow}} form is {{2t|Normal|999}}, whereas Missingno. forms in {{2v|Red|Blue}} are {{2t|Bird|Normal}}. It uses the palette of {{p|Pikachu}}, and so appears as a yellow and red glitched box. It also causes glitches that Missingno. in {{2v|Red|Blue}} did not. If caught, it will cause graphical glitches, possibly rendering the player invisible and making duplicates of the player and all other on-screen characters walk in random locations on the screen. Yellow form is exclusive to {{v|Yellow}}.
*This form does not appear through the [[Old man glitch]], as the Old man glitch was removed in {{v|Yellow}}.
*This form appears through the [[Mew glitch]] with a special stat of 31, 32, 61, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69 or 86.

==Glitches caused==
[[Image:Halloffameglitches.png|thumb|right|160px|Examples of corrupted Hall of Fame entries.]]
Missingno.'s appearance in-battle allows the [[Item duplication glitch#Missingno. item duplication glitch|item duplication glitch]], which increases the number of items in the 6th bag slot by 128 or 255. It even affects key items, making it nearly impossible to deposit them in the PC.

Encountering Missingno. has been known to interfere with the save game data in various ways, such as adversely affecting the [[Hall of Fame]] saved data and (if its stats are viewed) messing with some graphics until the stats of a normal Pokémon are viewed.

==Trading Missingno.==
Missingno. can be traded from Red and Blue into {{game|Yellow}}, but cannot be traded forward through the [[Time Capsule]] into {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}. In Yellow, Missingno. levels down to level 1 if it gains any experience, and cannot grow any higher. The only way to use a Missingno. at a different level in battle is to use a [[link cable]] to battle between two games.

In the trade center, Missingno., due to its [[index number]], appears as many different [[Generation II]] Pokémon from the perspective of {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}, most commonly {{p|Tyrogue}} (due to the common name of ASH in Generation I). To see which Missingno. becomes which Pokémon in Generation 2, see [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation I)]]. If the player tries to trade Missingno., a message will appear stating "''Your <name> appears abnormal''." and the trade will automatically be cancelled. Rarely, if a Missingno. is successfully traded, it will become the Pokémon it was said to be, and act normally (though it will retain any and all attacks). At this point, it only may be traded back into the Generation I game while the player is still in the Time Capsule (where it will again become a Missingno.), as if the player leaves, the Generation II game will detect it as a {{cat|Generation II Pokémon}} and not allow the player to enter.

==In {{3v|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}==
Though Missingno. cannot usually be traded into [[Generation II]], it will appear to be a G/S/C Pokémon such as {{p|Remoraid}} or {{p|Stantler}} on the trade screen for Gold/Silver/Crystal, depending on its [[index number]]. If successfully traded to a Generation II game, it will turn into the Pokémon that the Generation II game called it.

==In [[Pokémon Stadium]]==
When viewed in {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}}, Missingno. will appear as a tiny {{p|Rhydon}} doll (the appearance of a {{m|substitute}}), while in [[Pokémon Stadium 2]], Missingno. will show up as a {{p|Ditto}}, and if the game is saved via Stadium 2, will then become a Ditto permanently. Capturing Missingno. in the Game Boy Tower in Pokémon Stadium 1 may cause the cartridge to become unable to be played with Pokémon Stadium.

==Nintendo on Missingno.==
Nintendo has an official description of Missingno. listed in their Customer Service troubleshooting section:

<blockquote>"MissingNO is a programming quirk, and not a real part of the game. When you get this, your game can perform strangely, and the graphics will often become scrambled. The MissingNO Pokémon is most often found after you perform the Flight Safari Zone Pokémon trick [or Viridian Old Man trick]. To fix the scrambled graphics, try releasing the MissingNo Pokémon." <ref name="NintendoTroubleshooting">[http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/gameboy/trouble_specificgame.jsp#missingno Nintendo - Consumer Service]</ref></blockquote>

Nintendo was incorrect on the method for fixing graphical issues; releasing Missingno. did not fix the graphics. The actual way to fix these issues is to view the Pokédex data or stat page of a [[Hybrid glitch Pokémon|hybrid]] or official Pokémon.

==Game data==
===Pokédex entry===
[[Image:MissingnoPokedex3.PNG|thumb|center|Missingno.'s [[Pokédex]] data]]

===Game locations===
{{AvailabilityGlitch|
type={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=Normal|Bird}}|
type2={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=999|Normal}}|
gen=1 |
rbrarity=[[Glitch Pokémon|Glitch]] |
rbarea=[[Old man glitch]], [[Mew glitch]] |
yrarity=[[Glitch Pokémon|Glitch]] |
yarea=[[Mew glitch]]|
}}

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
===Base stats===
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=expandable|collapsible}}"
|
====In Red/Blue====
|-
|
{{stats/GenI |
HP=33 |
Attack=136 |
Defense=0 |
Special=6 |
Speed=29 |
type=bird |
type2=normal }}

|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
====In Yellow====
|-
|
{{stats/GenI |
HP=178 |
Attack=19 |
Defense=11 |
Special=23 |
Speed=0 |
type=normal |
type2=999 }}
|}

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
===Type effectiveness===
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=expandable|collapsible}}"
|
====In Red/Blue====
|-
|
{{RBY Type effectiveness|
type1=Bird|
type2=Normal|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 0 |
Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
notes=yes|
glitch=primary}}

|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
====In Yellow====
|-
|
{{RBY Type effectiveness|
type1=Normal|
type2=999|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 0 |
Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
notes=yes|
glitch=secondary}}
|}

===Learnset===
{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|0=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Normal form=====
|-
|
{{Movelistglitch|Bird|Normal|1|Missigno.}}
{{mlentry1|Start|Water Gun|Water|40|100|25}}
{{mlentry1|Start|Water Gun|Water|40|100|25}}
{{mlentry1|Start|Sky Attack|Flying|140|90|5}}
{{mlentry1|136|Pound|Normal|40|100|35||'''}}
{{movelist/note}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|1=collapsible|2=collapsible|3=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Ghost, Aerodactyl fossil and Kabutops fossil forms=====
|-
|
The leveling up learnset of the Ghost, Aerodactyl fossil and Kabutops fossil forms are the same as the Pokémon whose data was accessed last.
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Yellow form=====
|-
|
{{Movelistglitch|Normal|999|1|Missigno.}}
{{mlentry1|Start|Pay Day|Normal|40|100|20||'''}}
{{mlentry1|Start|Bind|Normal|15|75|20||'''}}
{{mlentry1|Start|Water Gun|Water|40|100|25}}
{{movelist/note}}
|}

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|0=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Normal form=====
|-
|
{{Movelistglitch|Bird|Normal|1|Missigno.|tm}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM01]]|Mega Punch|Normal|80|85|20||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM02]]|Razor Wind|Normal|80|100|10||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM03]]|Swords Dance|Normal|—|—|30}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM05]]|Mega Kick|Normal|100|75|5||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|—|85|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM09]]|Take Down|Normal|90|85|20||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM10]]|Double-Edge|Normal|120|100|15||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM11]]|BubbleBeam|Water|65|100|20}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM13]]|Ice Beam|Ice|95|100|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM14]]|Blizzard|Ice|120|70|5}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM17]]|Submission|Fighting|80|80|25}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM19]]|Seismic Toss|Fighting|—|100|20}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM20]]|Rage|Normal|20|100|20||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|120|70|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM26]]|Earthquake|Ground|100|100|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM27]]|Fissure|Ground|—|30|5}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM29]]|Psychic|Psychic|90|100|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM30]]|Teleport|Psychic|—|—|20}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM43]]|Sky Attack|Flying|140|90|5}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|—|—|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM45]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|—|100|20}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM49]]|Tri Attack|Normal|80|100|10||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[TM50]]|Substitute|Normal|—|—|10}}
{{mlentry1|[[HM01]]|Cut|Normal|50|95|30||'''}}
{{mlentry1|[[HM02]]|Fly|Flying|70|95|15}}
{{movelist/note}}
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|1=collapsible|2=collapsible|3=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Ghost, Aerodactyl fossil and Kabutops fossil forms=====
|-
|
The TM/HM learnset of the Ghost, Aerodactyl fossil and Kabutops fossil forms are the same as the Pokémon whose data was accessed last.
|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Yellow form=====
|-
|
Yellow form Missingno learns no TMs or HMs.
|}

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
===Evolution===

|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|0=collapsible|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
|-
|
{{GlitchEvobox/Formes
|sprite1=000
|name1=Missingno.
|forme1=Normal Form
|loc1=Most index nos.
|type1-1=Bird
|type2-1=Normal
|sprite2=000Y
|forme2=Yellow Form
|loc2=Most index nos.
|type1-2=Normal
|type2-2=999}}

|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|1=collapsible|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
|-
|
{{GlitchEvobox/Formes
|sprite1=000G
|name1=Missingno.
|forme1=Ghost Form
|loc1=182
|type1-1=Bird
|type2-1=Normal
|sprite2=000Y
|forme2=Yellow Form
|loc2=182
|type1-2=Normal
|type2-2=999}}

|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|2=collapsible|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
|-
|
{{GlitchEvobox/Formes
|sprite1=000A
|name1=Missingno.
|forme1=Aerodactyl fossil Form
|loc1=183
|type1-1=Bird
|type2-1=Normal
|sprite2=000Y
|forme2=Yellow Form
|loc2=183
|type1-2=Normal
|type2-2=999}}

|- class="{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: z}} mod 5}}|3=collapsible|4=collapsible|expandable}}"
|
|-
|
{{GlitchEvobox/Formes
|sprite1=000K
|name1=Missingno.
|forme1=Kabutops fossil Form
|loc1=184
|type1-1=Bird
|type2-1=Normal
|sprite2=000Y
|forme2=Yellow Form
|loc2=184
|type1-2=Normal
|type2-2=999}}
|}

==Trivia==
* If counted among normal Pokémon, Missingno. has the highest {{stat|Attack}} [[base stat]] of all in {{v2|Red and Blue|s}} and {{v|Yellow}}; and the ninth highest of all Pokémon as of [[Generation IV]].
**Likewise, it has the lowest {{stat|Defense}} base stat of any Pokémon, and the third lowest {{stat|Speed}} base stat.
* Missingno. is much [[List of Pokémon by weight|heavier]] than any regular Pokémon. Missingno. is about four times heavier than 'M. Missingno. is about half the weight of [[h POKé]], the heaviest known Pokémon of any kind.
* Missingno.'s height is 10'0". [['M]] is more than twice as tall as Missingno.. This makes Missingno. the [[List of Pokémon by height|19th tallest Pokémon]] when compared to non-Glitch Pokémon.
* In its normal form, it has the same learnset as [['M]] except 'M can learn {{m|Substitute}} via [[TM50]].
* In 2010, Missingno. was entered into GameFAQs' 8th annual Character Battle. It advanced to the third round by defeating {{wp|Crono}} and {{smw|Yoshi}} before losing to [[wp:Sephiroth (Final Fantasy)|Sephiroth]].<ref>http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/cb8_bracket.html</ref>

==Name origin==
Missingno.'s English and Japanese names are both derived from "missing number", a reference to its number as 000, the missing number before 001, {{p|Bulbasaur}}.

==External links==
*[[wp:MissingNo.|Article on Wikipedia]]
*[http://www.blue-reflections.net/ragecandybar/projects/missingno/ RAGECANDYBAR MissingNo. Project]

==References==
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{{GlitchPkmn}} 
{{Project Glitchdex notice}}
[[Category:Glitch Pokémon]]
[[Category:Game mechanics]]
[[Category:Glitches]]

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[[ja:けつばん]]
[[pl:Missing no.]]
[[pt:Missingno (pokémon)]]

Talk:Spiky-eared Pichu

2009-05-20T03:40:02Z

Tyeforce:

I do wonder. Should we have the page at Gizamimi Pichu, since that's the "official" name used in the calendars and such? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
:Probably. Is it ever 'officially' called ''Notched-ear Pichu''??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
---This is true but I think it would make the page impossible to find. Most people probably know it as Notched-Ear Pichu as opposed to Gizamimi Pichu. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 01:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why redirects were created. (I knew they would come to good use sometime!!!) --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
::True. Perhaps this page should say "Notched-Ear Pichu, known in official materials as Gizamimi Pichu..."? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 00:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Voice actor ==

It needs to be Shōko Nakagawa with the accent mark. "Shoko Nakagawa" links to a nonexistant page. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 01:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:Not any more it doesn't. But still a fix would be nice oh kind admins. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== Ability ==

When was the ability show/confirmed? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 00:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:I dunno either. But I guess it's from the Japanese movie site. I can't ready Japanese. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
::Can we get somebody who CAN read Japanese check the site? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 02:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Does Pichu have any other ability I'm not aware of. I find it odd that when an anime Pokemon only has one ability, its not confirmed, I realize that a Pokemon can have 2 abilities, but I don't buy that since it goes along the gender differences. A certain Pokemon had Ability A prior to Generation X. And there's no conflicting information (albeit speculative) that a Pokemon in the anime can't have both abilities, like in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 02:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::No, it doesn't have another ability in the games, but why can't the anime give it a different one? A new anime-exclusive one? Why can't the anime say only certain Pokémon have an ability, and others don't? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 11:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::That's the reason why we don't add Blaze as Ash's Charizard's ability, despite being the only ability Fire starters can have. It has yet to be shown or confirmed by somebody. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:Exactly; that's why I think we should
a) Confirm Pichu's ability with a source
b) Remove it. {{unsigned|The Dark Fiddler}} 11:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::Nobody? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 11:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry I took so long. Link me.[[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 22:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==
::It is confirmed that little Notchie is shiny, though. *Leads all to Bulbanews*--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 23:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No, it's not Shiny. The Event Pichu is shiny. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Of which is directly based off of Notchie.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just because the event Pichu is shiny doesn't mean that the Pichu itself is. '''~ overgrown[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 23:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::::: No the only reason why the event Pichu is shiny is because there's no ear-notched Pichu programmed into the game. It being shiny was the only thing they could've done to make it stand out compared to other Pichu's. Notched Ear Pichu however is still normal. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 23:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::It looks like that in the preview of the newer ending, there's a Pikachu-colored Pichu appearing alongside Notch-eared Pichu. So they are infact separete entities [[User:PDL|PDL]] 13:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

== Left vs. Right ==
In the article, it says it's her right ear that is notched, but that is her left ear. {{unsigned|Wikifixer}}
:Someone epic failed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

== Pichu in Ending ==
Too lazy to make a new section, but apparently, she is the fixation of the fourth ending. More info's on Bulbanews. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]]
: It was hard to type 4 equal signs? O.o Anyways, we know this, but other than mentioning it, there isn't anything we can do, it's just speculation that Notched-ear will become a part of the main cast until then. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 11:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:: Yes. And we need an admin to put that factoid in there, as the page is protected from vandals atm. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 15:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==
Instead of calling him Notched-ear Pichu,
Just call him by his Japanese name: Gizamimi Pichu.
It's Better then Notched-ear Pichu.
[[User:AlienX2008|☆AlienX2008☆]]09:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:Same thing.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

But its better. [[User:AlienX2008|☆AlienX2008☆]] [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 18:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:...do you have a better reason? A less colossally vague reason?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::Also it's a girl. But I do wonder about calling it Gizamimi as well, since that's on official stuff... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Because we wouldn't call [[Barry|Jun]] "Barry" until [[DP101]] was released even though it was beyond obvious. Are we so sure about Gizamimi's official title 3 months before even the Japanese movie is released? I'm not really picky, I don't mind what we call it (I'll still call it Gizamimi^^) but if you want an argument for Gizamimi Pichu, there it is. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 22:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Pichu? ==

I'm hearing everywhere about a picture of a shiny pichu, the notch-eared pichu, and pikachu. Where is this image? --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 12:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:This is not something to be posted here. Go to your talk. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Wild ==

It's obviously not a trainer's Pichu,It's obviously wild.
If it were a trainer's pokemon they would already reveal him or her. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 05:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
:Also, the current location should be [[Michīna]]. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 05:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Not a Biggie, But . . . ==

Under the picture, the caption says Notched ear Pichu, but the rest of the article and the article title calls it the "Notched-ear Pichu". Note the missing hyphen. I mean, it's not like it's a big deal, but it's just something that's bugging me is all. >.> '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 21:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset and Ability ==

Not sure if this info is out, but as revealed in Pokemon Sunday today:
*Charge
*Volt Tackle
*Endeavor
*Endure
*Holding: Everstone
--[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 23:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:That's the moveset of the [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2009|event ''Pikachu-colored Pichu'']] in the games, not Notched-ear Pichu. And games=/=anime, so that's not needed. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 01:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Game Purpose ==

The recent CoroCoro scan for [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HG/SS]] has Notchy interacting with the [[Alternate Coloration|Pikachu Colored]] {{p|Pichu}} owned by Gold. Should we add this to the article that it's at least ''involved'' in the games? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:08, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Why doesn't anyone make a Sprite for Gizamimi (Notched-Ear) Pichu. If they can make a Sparky (Ritchie's Pikachu) can't anyone do this? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 23:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::There is no need for such a sprite because it has no where to go. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gender ==
Why does the article say Notched-ear Pichu is female? It's obviously male, or else it would have a notch in its tail. --[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 03:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Lyra (game)

2009-05-14T04:31:33Z

Tyeforce:

I rendered the scan of Soul (I guess that's what we're all calling her now) if you want to use it...

[[File:HGSS_Soul.png]]
:The top of her head's cut off. Can you fix that? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um....shouldn't we wait until a REAL source gives her name? Or has one been given? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:::There was a poll, and it is mentioned that there is no official name yet, and this is a fanname. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't do anything about the hat because it was like that in the scan. It went off the page. (Sorry, I'm new to this wiki stuff, so I don't know how to do a lot...)

Talk:Lyra (game)

2009-05-14T04:30:34Z

Tyeforce:

Talk:Lyra (game)

2009-05-14T01:13:58Z

Tyeforce: Created page with 'I rendered the scan of Soul (I guess that's what we're all calling her now) if you want to use it... File:HGSS_Soul.png'

I rendered the scan of Soul (I guess that's what we're all calling her now) if you want to use it...

[[File:HGSS_Soul.png]]