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User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 3

2016-06-22T20:55:56Z

Trigger death: /* Secret Base Representative Trainer Class */

;Archived talk
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 1]] (through Sept 14, 2014)
* [[User talk:Tiddlywinks/Archive 2]] (through Nov 5, 2015)

== How do I archieve? ==

I see you just archieved your talk page. I'm feeling my talk page has grown over the years to a size I feel like is more than enough long. Can I just do it on my own like you did with your talk page just now? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:Yup, all you have to do is move it [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|more or less]] wherever you want (with the tab at the top of the page). Make sure to link the archive on your new talk page, too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll do that when I get the chance. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:12, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Cosplay Pikachu ==
Tiddlywinks: To change costumes all you have to do is talk to the lady... That is already written. Sory I am new and still learning[[User:Tripplekittys|Tripplekittys]] ([[User talk:Tripplekittys|talk]]) 22:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

== Hey ==

I just wanted to thank you for your hard work with the e-Reader information for Colosseum. I've been trying to get a hold of that information for a long time and you managed to collect quite a substantial amount. So again, thanks! [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:07, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{u|Nmurthy}} deserves much of the credit for being the first to [[User talk:Nmurthy#Colosseum e Cards|find]] the most recent information and start adding it here. I'm hoping I'll be able to contact the video's uploader, though, and maybe add even more info eventually. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

== Talk: Starter Pokémon ==

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 21:02, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Tiddlywinks,

I feel this trivia fact in the anime is important and should not be deleted please.

*{{p|Charmander}} is the only Kanto starter that was not obtained or caught by May.

May only got Bulbasaur and Squirtle, but not Charmander. She does have a Fire-starter, but it is from "Hoenn" not Kanto.
:Three Pokemon is a small group, and two is a small number. It borders on coincidence. But honestly, I don't generally bother with the anime so maybe I've got the wrong perspective and others might feel different if you bring it up on the Starter Pokemon talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:05, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
It might make a great trivia fact. Ash caught all the Kanto starters, but May only caught two of them. Soot yourself if you don't appreciate it. (Others would probably realize this too.)
:Tiddlywinks is right, three Pokémon is too small of a group. So your trivia is unnotable.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:40, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

== Traps ==

I am not sure on the exact percents as I didn't dig up the info myself (as I've said on my talk page). I did check other things on my own, and for example there are indeed natural Spiked Tiles in [[Solar Cave]]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
:Well, it doesn't look like the writer for the FAQ you linked explicitly said whether they got their numbers directly from the game or from lots of experimenting. I don't really mind practical estimations myself; my concern is just, if that's what they are (instead of ideal values), it should probably be noted. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
::I'll edit the pages appropiately. And use your template as it's far more {{tt|convenient|I just used what was on pages for Explorers' dungeons (as these games have traps way earlier so there were some already)}}. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 12:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

== Pokémon Manga Location ==

Hi, you previously removed my addition to the Location part of [[PS001]] saying that the infobo wasn't meant for more than one information.

Alot of other chapters such as [[PS002]] contains more than one. I'm lost. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 23:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, that's partly my bad, then.
:There's still a couple issues with what you were trying to add, though. First and foremost, as a guideline, how about we generally try to stick to places we actually have pages for on this wiki? (I.e., not "West part of Pallet Town's Forest".) Second, checking the summary, it really doesn't sound like Oak's Lab features at all prominently in PS001; so that's probably a reason against adding Oak's Lab there too. Also, while I do notice that [[PS005]] includes the Gym as a location, other chapters like [[PS014]] don't include [[Pokémon Tower]] and such; you can argue they should, but I would suggest this: most often, it's not really necessary to include locations within a town (like Oak's Lab) if that town is already given as the location.
:Feel free to ask any other questions. I'm totally capable of being wrong or underinformed, so I'd be happy to hear if you see anything else that seems to contradict what I've said. Honestly, one of the {{bp|Project Manga}} contacts may be a better person to try to talk to if you want more confident answers. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:10, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

::I totally understand that places that don't have a page are irrelavant, that's sorted out for me now. But for your exemple with Oak's Lab, even though it is IN Pallet Town, this is still a well-known and important place to be in the Pokémon game. But that's not my question, no, it's rather as you said, Oak's Lab is not the main place in which the chapter takes place, but at the end (2 pages or so) of the chapter, Red is outside of Oak's Lab and we can very clearly see that it is his lab since there's a sign and all that.

::As you said, you might not be the best person to argue something like that since it's manga-related, but where should we draw the line? Is knocking at the door of a building before entering it counts as being a location, or does the character needs to be INSIDE of that location? Thanks for your fast and elaborate replies ! It's really appreciated. :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to be clear, I'll reiterate first: I don't really think Oak's Lab ''should'' be in the infobox at any point. Pallet Town is pretty much good enough, and the summary arguably suffices otherwise.
:::As for where the line might be: as a bare minimum, if a place isn't entered, it doesn't belong in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

:::: Gotcha! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 00:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

== Content removed ==

I had a couple of questions regarding my removed additions.

*In [[Interviewers]], you said ''"Please don't use "you". Also, quotes are for individuals, not Trainer classes"''
**I won't be using first person from now on, I will be using 3rd person. Thanks for the tip.
**I agree with you on the fact that it should be for individuals, not for trainer class, but this one's tricky, since in every game, the interviewers are only 2 persons that stick together, so if you mention the game, you automatically know which trainer we are talking about. So what are the option here? I am seeing three:
***We make an exception for this trainer class since, as I mentionned, they're unique in every game.
***We make an exclusive page for each character and include their quotes in it.
***We add to the trainer list their quotes from talking and initiating, winning or losing a fight.

*In [[Player's House]] you said ''"Please stick to the 3rd person (not "we"). And that's not unique to ORAS"''
**As said previously, I will stick to the 3rd person. But can I still add this information?
**Texts on Player's Houses signs aren't always written the same way even though they are very similar, should we put a table stating what every sign mentions for every generation?

Thanks again! :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:As for interviewers... Firstly, I'll note that we do have pages for [[Gabby and Ty]] and [[Roxy and Oli]]. But, secondly, it's really not ''guaranteed'' that any "interview" is conducted by those people unless that is explicitly conveyed. There's no reason other people can't have jobs as interviewers. (And thirdly, a "report" really isn't guaranteed to be conducted by "interviewers" either.)
:For the house, I kind of think the sign is pretty trivial (and I don't mean that it belongs under Trivia). More, the differences between the signs are ''really'' trivial I think. If the sign would warrant any mention, it would be as part of the intro, not multiple times for each section. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

::You're right, I haven't thought about the fact that others may be interviewers. For the next point, the game itself says that it's more than one ("we") interviewers than speak since it's written as so: ''"Interviewer: (text)"'' so it's probably them, but as you said, it's not guaranteed. As for the signs, yeah, it's pretty trivial, but it's still a part of the game's text/lore. Well, it's up to you, I'll stop mentionning it if it's that trivial. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Quotes Mark. Why or Why not? ==

You recently removed the quotes on my TV shows' titles. Why is that so? I didn't quite understand the thing about the Teachy TV. As for the quotes themselves, the game uses them, shouldn't we use them too? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:Where does the game use them? I only noticed them in the quotes for one of the shows you were adding, and at least one other didn't have them. While on the other hand, none of the other sections except Teachy TV had quotes either. (Teachy TV is a little weird, so I won't say it definitely should or shouldn't use quotes.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:46, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, in fact, 3 out of the 6 shows I'm adding uses them. Considering Nadia Reports is not the official name. It's 3/5.
::They are:
::*KOUKAN TALK
::*ThePokémon Whisperer,
::*What's that?
::[[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 01:53, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, the headers for the Unova shows (including its Koukan Talk) didn't have quotes either.
:::The simple answer, though, is that it's just a special, applied format... Like how APA insists you underline or italicize shows or songs or whatever. But that's just in bulk text, really; that doesn't mean we ''must'' do the same thing in the section headers, it's just a very different context.
:::Side question: can you tell me why you chose to title the one section as Nadia Reports? In short, is that totally invented by you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:05, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

::::No, I took it from the Kalos Shows list. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::OK. Someone should look into whether that's really the best title... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== trainer tips layout ==

Want me to reproduce the layout as in ORAS? I skip a line everytime the game does, is that it? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:47, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:I already did. But like I said, there needs to be an actual ORAS format for that template first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:51, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::Well, if you corrected the format, why do you keep it hidden? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 04:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Because the Emerald format does not work properly with the ORAS text (and, again, there's no ORAS format currently). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Ooohh, that's what you meant! Sorry! Now I understand. :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 05:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Trying to delete discussion on main page ==

i am currently unable to delete the post I started on the main page. I want to delete it because I shouldn't have started a post out of "anger". Once again, I''m sorry. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, well, that's better than what I thought it was, you trying to remove all comments after your first. =P As I did say on your talk page, though, talk page comments usually are not allowed to be removed. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:52, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::I knew you were gonna think I was trying to remove your comments... That stressed me out meanwhile I was struggling on my iPad, I really, really, don't mean harm to the website, nor do I want people to think I am a cheater, only wanted to delete my bad move. (Feeling bad about the fact that might start to get annoyed by all the trouble I've put you through, once again, gomen!) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:57, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm just fine, but thanks. =) All I can really tell you is, if it at all deserves removing, I'm sure someone higher up will do it. (But I wouldn't count on it.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:01, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::A huge thank you for being so patient with me ^^ is this a good place for discussing what I was saying earlier? I would want to keep improving plots' quality. As for the Professor Oak thing, I wasn't so sure about that, you might be right, I just thought "Oak" was too... Hm.. Friendly, I guess? Anyways, as for the collective nouns, are those okay? Should they be considered 3rd person singular as I said or ..? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Basically, I'd advise just leaving the collective nouns alone. IMO either way can be valid—I can even change my mind from one moment to the next. Like I kind of think ''"Team Rocket overhear Clemont and Bonnie talking about Snover and decide to take revenge on Abomasnow"'' is better than "overhears"/"decides", but then I think ''"Elsewhere, Team Rocket have also followed the group to the snowy mountains"'' is not as good as "has".
:::::The other thing you mentioned, ''"Red sends out Poliwhirl and uses Water Gun"'', is not a wording I really have much problem with personally. And to be nitpicky, "makes him use Water Gun" isn't a great-sounding alternative IMO. Because, on the one hand, the Trainer ''is'' making the decisions; and on the other, it kind of gets awkward if you'd always have to say "makes [it] use". There may still be ways around both issues (like ''"Jessie sends out Gourgeist to attack with Shadow Ball and Seed Bomb"''), but the best thing in the end may just be to get used to it (which of course is entirely up to you and your "conscience", so to speak). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::::::After a quick research, I have come with some more information concerning collective nouns, well explained on this page: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/nouns/Collective-Nouns.html
In short: a team, for instance is always one thing, but it appears like I was part wrong, since when it acts as a whole, it's singular, and when it acts as individuals, it's plural.
Examples:
*Team Rocket IS looking for somewhere to hide.
*Team Rocket ARE taking care of THEIR Pokémon. (Jessy for Ekans and James for Koffing for instance)

My "<trainer> makes <pokemon> uses <move>" phrasing is not that good I admit, but we should find a better way to do so, since even if it's minor. Let's say Ash asks Bulbasaur to tackle Blue. Is Ash tackling Blue? No, Bulbasaur is, on Ash's order.

Anyway, these are little details that are worth looking up in official sources since, if we want to build a real, good encyclopedia, our grammar/wording must be top-notch! ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 08:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature ==

"I'm curious. Why do you streamline" your signature every time? Shouldn't it be possible to just edit it in your preferences so that part you keep removing never appears?": Is it possible to do that?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Click the preferences link at the top of any page. The third box should be for your signature, and if you enter <code><nowiki>[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]])</nowiki></code> in the new signature box, I think that'd make your signature appear like you want.
:On a side note, it's usually best to reply to someone's original comment directly (like mine on your talk page) instead of starting a brand new comment on their talk page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:03, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for updating the Genesect article. I just found a source that sites the code life. Do you think a source for the events should be provided?
[[User:Blado|Blado]] ([[User talk:Blado|talk]]) 17:25, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:If you follow the event link, there is a link to Bulbanews article and links to the 20th anniversary site. I suspect that's the sort of source you were thinking of? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Number of badges needed ==

So, if I know that it's not 1, what should we put? Since writing 1 is a lie/mistake. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 21:57, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:Put 2 if that's right. Or 3 if that is. Or 4, or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8. You can take the time to figure it out. "?" is just a bit too odd.
:(FWIW, you may also want to check the shops just before you get a Badge, just to see if there was maybe something in between that actually changed it and you don't mistake that for a Badge.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::Is there a way to improve this template? Like, if I change something on it, I need to change it for ALL the shops in Hoenn Gen 6 which is like for every city... Can't we just make a template already filled up with the good info and simply add it to every page we need it? As a programmer, that seems more logical to me, that makes your code (wiki) more DRY (don't repeat yourself). [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Basically, no, it's easier to just change every page.
:::Strictly speaking, it probably could be done, but I'm pretty sure the cons will outweigh the pros. ("Pretty sure" in part because it depends on how exactly you want to implement it. And also because I'm not an expert on how templates burden a wiki; I just know they do to an extent/at a certain point. You unfortunately can't do everything with a wiki you might like to with a custom program.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, I don't know about the burden (but to me, one instance is less heavy than many) but I know enough about wiki templates that I know this can be done, and as you said, except for the burdening (which may even be smaller imo). All you have to do is create the template already filled, and then add it where you want, when you change the original, they all change, so much more ergonomic and easy-to-use. Who are the ones who decide the template stuff? I would like to discuss that with them. ^~^ [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 22:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, I can tell you that when a template needs to be improved, one of the first things that gets done is to manually substitute any nested template calls. It has to do with {{wp|Wikipedia:Template limits#Nested transclusions|this}} sort of thing and everything that's on that page I think. So a template that's just a thin wrapper for another template probably won't exactly be appreciated.
:::::But if you really want, sure, I can try to direct you to someone else...? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Consistency on Route 110 ==

In the game, they appear in this order : Plusle on the left and Minun on the right.

(It's a 2v2 battle) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:1) In a battle, Trainers face each other. So your left Pokemon (which is your first) is not opposite their "left"/first Pokemon.
:2) The game also says, "sent out ''Plusle and Minun''", not Minun and Plusle. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::Oh, yeah, right! You never stop to be right don't you? ahah [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Paradoxically, the secret is to never trust that you are. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, you see, I try to be humble about everything and accepting what others tell me, like, the first time I joined the wiki, I didn't understand your way of doing things. But now that I more or less understood, I try to verify every sources and accept other's arguments. (although, you saw that I love arguing) :P [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 03:08, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

== Deleted shop ==

I know it was already mentionned that there were move tutors, but I think we should still make a section for the shop that does so instead of all putting in move tutors. (Talking about [[Mauville City]]) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 14:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:You hardly added anything with those shop sections. The Ultimate Move Shop is the one exception, but only barely. Ultimately, you were pretty much only adding the signs for each shop. And that's not nearly enough justification for making entirely new sections on the page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, there was content to add, simply I didn't go in depth. I was planning to do that later. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:10, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You still shouldn't duplicate/overlap the move tutors section. Didn't you say it before: D.R.Y. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

:::: T_T you can't use my own sentences against me only when that helps you x) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

== Gekkoga ==
You should probably ask before removing (like you did now), especially if you don't know the concepts, if you don't want people to get mad :D

Ninjas are very often associated with the moon (and the night) in Japanese folklore. The word "moon" implies a "night", from where Greninja's Dark Type comes from.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 16:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:There's not really anything I could quote you from the top of my head. Though if you have ever read/watched ninja stories, the ninjas are said to move "with the moonlight". Almost all of their most dangerous missions are on nights that have either a "full moon" or a "crescent moon". Sorry, can't really quote you anything from the top of my head. Also, the "moonlight" implies "night", which is "darkness", from which Greninja's Dark-Type comes.--[[User:Omojuzeforever|Omojuzeforever]] ([[User talk:Omojuzeforever|talk]]) 20:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Quotes ==

Hey, I would like to start doing exactly what I'm doing for ORAS, but this time, for PMD Blue Team. What would be the best way to document quotes and such?

Shall I create a page for every notable NPC in the game?

[[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 17:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:You'll either have to look through {{cat|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon characters}} to find some examples or just ask someone who deals more with PMD. Outside the core games, I've pretty much only played games that can connect with them (Ranger, Colo/XD). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

::I already looked aat these lists, but the problem is that they are just a bunch of Names and Description more or less. I was thinking about creating pages for every one. Just like I saw for ORAS, I would try to "mimic" the way it's done. So if anything's wrong, you can always help me improve it. What do you think? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 18:21, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm saying I don't really have the first clue. It'd be easier for you to just try to ask either someone who's more familiar with PMD or else who takes more responsibility for "Games" as a whole. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:30, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

== Streamlining signature. ==

"Jdogno4, your signature is appearing with "--" at the beginning because you are clicking the signature button, which inserts --[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC).": I get that. "However, this is in no way forcing you to save your posts with that "--" before your signature.": I get that as well. "You may either delete the "--" before your signature before you save your post, resulting in only [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC), or you may forego the signature button entirely and simply type [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC) at the end of your posts manually.": I suppose I am trying to avoid deleting the "[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)" when I remove the "--". There is less chance of that once the signature is stamped.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

== upload please ==

I am currently making Hazel's Pikachu page. I need this image to be uploaded:

http://i.imgur.com/4OZvoGr.jpg

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:47, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I'd suggest just focusing on making the page in your userspace for now so it can be determined whether it's notable for the mainspace. Until then, it's not too important whether it has a picture or not. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== About the six month old discussion ==

Hey hello,

You removed my question with the message that I should refrain from commenting on six months old discussions. Sorry about that, I thought it was still appropriate.

Do you think I should add a new section next time or do I have to do something different?
Editing Wiki's isn't really my speciality, but please let me know! :)

Kind regards,
[[User:MistrX|MistrX]] ([[User talk:MistrX|talk]]) 20:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:If you have a new question or something (or a different angle, or whatever), then yes, it would be preferred if you just started a new section. For more information, check out our {{bp|talk page policy}} (the part about old discussions is specifically under talk page etiquette). =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

== New template? (again, I know) ==

So, I had another idea of template for the wiki, and since you're the latest online and the one I'm more "familiar" with (I'm sorry by the way hehe), I thought I'd show it to you.

So, basically, it is a template intended to go on the top of pages to make sort of a summary of the item/page with the quote of someone in game.

Just look at the [[User:MannedTooth/HeadQuote|template]] itself, you'll understand.

Let me know what you think, being in computer sciences, I dig making templates! :3 [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think it really works for me (not talking technically). I tried your default on the [[Pokédex]] page, and IMO it just comes off too casual for what the wiki is generally aiming for... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:11, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

::Well, it's kinda just intended to be a light and concise summary without going into details. I got this idea from the Don't Starve Wikia (ex: http://dont-starve-game.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Gem ) and I thought it was pretty sweet. But if it doesn't go with the wiki's goal, I'll just forget about it. Do you have any template ideas? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:16, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I can't think of anything off the top of my head. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:40, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== The Preview Botton ==

My bad! I was doing it at night and I had to stop to focus on other things, but yeah, won't happen again :) --[[User:LHakaLH|LHakaLH]] ([[User talk:LHakaLH|talk]]) 20:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== I wasn't sure :P ==

As I said in my edit summary, I thought that this was the name of the guy that was playing. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 03:11, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

== Upload please :P ==

Can you upload this? If you can, I'll have more.

[http://i.imgur.com/jbLhVi5.png]

Thanks! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:That doesn't look like great quality to me. I'd suggest either checking it with {{u|Maverick Nate}} or bringing it up directly at the Archives. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:43, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::What about this? [http://i.imgur.com/YftrEcw.jpg] [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 15:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::We already have the English print. Even if we didn't, we would have no need for it. The only time we'd want card images that aren't Japanese or English is if the card is actually different from those prints (or doesn't exist in them). [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:05, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I know, and it is different. Look carefully, it is in english, and the text is on the right side, basically, the card is flipped from its jap/en version. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, never mind what I just said, only thing different is the langage of the attack on the art. Is that notable? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:15, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::That's the same as the Japanese print. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 16:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Just to let you know for future reference, MannedTooth, any Korean TCG images must be approved by Maverick Nate before being uploaded. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:42, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll keep that in head, is there any particular reason for this? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 16:52, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Primarily, Maverick Nate heads the TCG effort here on Bulbapedia. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:01, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

== Prof. Oak and Birch ==

I thought that misspellings and other issues were ok to place in the Trivia section of the main article considering the Professor Oak article. Should that Oak example be removed as well or am I mistaken is some part? --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:06, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:I don't get where there's any misspelling or anything. Feel free to be as elaborate as you want trying to explain it to me =P , because I just can't see anything wrong with it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Here is how the line goes, "Great! I'm sure ''May'll'' be happy to hear that, too." For some reason, the text combines May's name with the word will to create "May'll" for some reason. I had a few issues wording it in the article, so I might not have been clear on what the text displayed. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Are you saying that it is an error? :o [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:03, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"For some reason"? That's a very natural thing in English, contracting "will" like that. Like I said, it doesn't seem to be any problem...
::::Can I ask, do you know what it says for Brendan? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:06, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Contracting with a proper noun is correct? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 02:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry MannedTooth, but I'd really like to not have to try to carry on two separate branches of this discussion at the same time. If Super goku and I can resolve the main issue here, then if you still have questions, feel free to bring it up again then, please. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:11, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sorry to Tiddlywinks for causing the issue without checking more into it. Based on what you said and looking at footage, you can use the contraction of the word will with a name. Sorry for the trouble. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== Where is th- Oh... ==

I had to Ctrl+F to find it. :o Isn't that a sign that it's not evident ? xP [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== congratulations ==
Congrats on new rank. :) {{unsigned|Tripplekittys}}
:Thank you. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:43, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== MC Images ==

Why is all the images on [[MC_Sixth_Generation|here]] are linked as sources at the bottom and not uploaded? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:13, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:It is against Bulbapedia policy to copy and ''upload'' images from a website without permission from the website owner or an affiliate. We prefer scans/pictures from our own users. Hence, this is why the aforementioned images are referenced and not uploaded. [[User:SirFinkleBottom|Sir]][[Special:Contributions/SirFinkleBottom|Finkle]][[User talk:SirFinkleBottom|Bottom]] 23:19, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::Even when these come from official sources or that we mention where it comes from? [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:25, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I sympathize with that question, MannedTooth, but I'm not 100% certain how strict our policy is in that regard. Certainly official Pokemon.com images are usually OK, but when other companies enter the picture...
:::Going by the style of the pages for previous generations of figures, though, it could also be that it would be preferable to have pictures of the figure including its packaging, and the references are mostly meant as a stopgap measure. (Since {{u|Lady Ariel}} added all of those references, it may also be faster if you simply asked her why she did it like that.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

::::I found that this image [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:KidsVenusaur1.jpg] (for example) is tagged with its website, so can I use images from that website? If I can't, I am willing to upload take pictures on my own, only thing, I am not confirmed on the archives due to a lack of edits; there is nothing to edit, so is there a way to confirm me manually so that I can upload these? I also have plenty of [[Roaring Skies]] cards in english that I would be able to upload in order to replace the japanese that are currently there. If I add pictures/scans, my edits requirement will be met anyway, right? :P [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:33, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::If you think there's nothing to edit, you haven't looked hard enough. Like the saying goes: where there's a will, there's a way. Learn about the Archives and then look around to figure what you can improve.
:::::Also, let me just say this: if you have ''any'' questions about the TCG, direct them to {{u|Maverick Nate}} (or at least anyone but me). I really don't know enough about our TCG effort here (or the TCG in general) to advise on much of anything about it. Nate would definitely be able to give you a definite answer about TCG issues. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::On another note, should the [[Monster Collection]] page be renamed MONCOLLÉ. I'm no expert in this, but according to [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/english/product_release/pdf/p131009_en.pdf this] the official name and logo has changed to MONCOLLÉ. If not, it should at least be mentioned. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:11, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Suggested. It will receive consideration in due time. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:47, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Thought I would answer the question about those references on the page. They are meant to be sources for the release date of the figures (and if you look closely at the links, not all of them actually link to a page with a picture of the figure), but it just happens most of the links also include a picture of the figure. '''[[User:Lady Ariel|Lady]] [[User talk:Lady Ariel|Ariel]]''' 21:01, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Mystery dungeon items ==

Hey why not link TMs and HMs in this template to [[List of TM and HM locations in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] instead? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 14:40, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:Hm. I'm not sure, maybe. I'll see if any other staff have any thoughts about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:31, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

== hitting pokemon ==

what rips of XY images are you talking about that says hit? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 12:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
:Images for XY (same place I got [[:a:File:ST basic bag.png|File:ST basic bag.png]] from) that I previously received from {{u|Kaphotics}} when I asked about any such resources. I've not seen the link he gave me in public anywhere else, so I'm not sure if it's okay for me to just share that, but you could always ask him about it if you want. The images may also be available to anyone who has a decrypted ROM, scattered around the file structure.
:Beyond that, though, there were still problems with your latest reasoning. Mainly, if, with the 'normal' "poking/prodding", you were referring to when you just tap once on the Pokemon, then that's defintely not "poking/prodding"; that exact same effect happens when you tap away from the Pokemon too. And IMO, there's much more to the "hit" SFX than just a shortened rubbing SFX.
:At any rate, though...it's definitely something we should continue to discuss here or on Amie's talk page (where it'd be easier for random people to join) rather than risk edit warring about it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

== User possibly abusing multiple accounts ==

Hello, I believe that the user Lukeno94 is using this account when they already have one. In a comment on "Talk:ROM Hacks" it said something about not being able to access their old account. I'm telling you about this because it's against policies so you or any other admin can decide what should be done.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 18:21, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

== EXs & Breaks of Fates Collide. ==

Hi, there. I need to clarify something and I didn't want to bother Maverick Nate. Is it okay if I remove all the EXs and BREAKs added today to the english set list for now? Users are always told here to not copy information from other sites, specially PokéBeach. And I'm pretty sure the user who added those cards only did it because he saw the article at PokéBeach. Other than there, I haven't seen that information anywhere else so it can't be properly confirmed. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 22:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:Honestly, the TCG is definitely not my area of expertise. As far as [[Fates Collide (TCG)]] goes, the only judgement I can make is that Nate already visited that page, so either he thought it was okay or he didn't notice. If you were sure it was improperly sourced, though, I'd say go ahead. But in short, it may be best to ask Nate anyway. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:27, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ones revealed via images are ''fine''{{tt|*|I guess. ugh}}. The ones revealed via text on other sites are not and should honestly be removed however, since false information is frequently posted on said sites (I'm pretty sure N kept getting removed because a certain site said it ''wasn't'' a part of the main expansion, which isn't true.) Feel free to remove it. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 22:50, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks both of you for answering. I was just confused and started wondering if the cards had actually been confirmed somewhere else. [[User:Metalizard|Metalizard]] ([[User talk:Metalizard|talk]]) 02:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

==Need a small favor==
Since we both have done some good work for the Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire page, could you come over to my talk page and participate in the recent discussion regarding an edit I had to revert for a noble reason on the ORAS page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 01:01, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

== 'File appearance ==

I wanna be a Glitch {{PK}}{{MN}}. You don't understand. {{unsigned|Scooterscanley}}
:No offense, but if you're just joking, there was no need for this comment. (I only mention this because you [[Special:Diff/2413158|just previously]] made another idle comment. I just want you to understand that talk pages are meant for ''improving'' the wiki.)
:If you're not joking: categories are reserved for pages that ''belong'' there. User pages only belong in categories like {{cat|User groups}}. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:21, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
ALSO: Any advice for TMs/HMs? Whenever I preview my profile page, all it displays is all the text I've entered. [[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 18:22, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:Your header and footer only have one "}" at the end; it should be two ("}}"). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:45, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
::Ah. Also, why does it say "Character for Old man glitch", and why is the Johto Guard Glitch/Time Capsule Exploit excluded?[[User:Scooterscanley|scooterscanley]] ([[User talk:Scooterscanley|talk]]) 19:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:::I would guess the Old man glitch part is the same as the Mew special stat thing, it's what you need to get that glitch 'mon using that glitch. The Time Capsule exploit part that's in the regular GlitchPkmnInfobox template isn't there simply because that template was updated after the Nocat version was split off. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:58, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== re. Fury Swipes ==

I made the change because as it stands, it's implying that three and only three hits is the most probable outcome, which is not true: it has the same probability as two hits at 37.5% each. It means to say that three or more hits is likely (37.5% + 12.5% + 12.5% for a 62.5% chance of three plus hits). This yields an above average likelihood that the power yield will be 18 × 3 or more, resting on an average power of 54.

I'm not sure what is confusing about this, especially given the ''current'' wording. [[User:DKqwerty|DKqwerty]] ([[User talk:DKqwerty|talk]]) 19:52, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:If you performed the move 100 times, you'd likely get 300 hits. That averages to 3 hits every time the move is used. That's what an {{wp|average}} usually is, an {{wp|arithmetic mean}}. You're talking about {{wp|mode (statistics)|mode}}. The current wording is perfectly correct and/or adequate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:05, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

== Oddish debut ==

I feel that something is overlooked. It says in [[GDZ25]] that another Trainer owns the Oddish instead of Shu while Shu's page mentioned that he owns the Oddish in that chapter. Can you clarify which chapter is the actual debut for Shu's Oddish? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:58, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:Actually, at the end of the chapter, the unnamed Trainer offers Shu his Oddish as an apology for what it did. I guess I never gave it much thought. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

== Category ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! Just a thought, but to my knowledge there aren't any pages or categories putting all the moves available in Pokémon Conquest in one place. Since there aren't any new moves introduced in Conquest, would it be appropriate to make a category for these moves?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:23, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
:That sounds good (and easy, with the move template). I'll just double-check it with other staff real quick and hopefully I can make that happen. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

== Sentences ending with prepositions ==

Hello, you recently reverted an edit made to Gengar's page. Is it really okay to end a sentence with a preposition? My English teacher made it very clear that a sentence should never end with one.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 23:26, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, it's okay. With all due respect to your teacher(s), that rule just doesn't match normal English discourse. I don't even mean "casual" discourse. I mean, no matter how formal almost anyone is trying to be, there's just ''no'' way they're going to put enough thought into their speech to avoid prepositions at the end of a sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

== I know they're not remakes. ==

My point was, they could've changed it just like the Pikachu minigame thing. The only reason I brought it up was that they left the game corner unchanged, despite gambling laws forcing them to change/remove them in other games. I hope this clears things up. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 18:47, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:The primary problem with what you wrote, sure, was implying that the VC games were remakes. Beyond that, I'm not entirely certain what's rightest, but I lean against it just because "no change" should pretty much be the expectation. One place it'd be more directly relevant/notable, though, is [[Pokémon controversy#Gambling]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

== Template:Pokémon Infobox ==

Hi, I was just wondering if it would be possible for someone to please edit [[Template:Pokémon Infobox]] to account for the unique names of the [[Form differences|alternate forms]] belonging to {{p|Zygarde}} and {{p|Hoopa}} (similar to [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3APok%C3%A9mon_Infobox&type=revision&diff=1978734&oldid=1954090 what was done] for {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Mewtwo}}'s dual [[Mega Evolution]]s); as it is now, the template displays them kind of backwards. I can't edit the template myself as it's protected.

[[User:Xérnéas|Xérnéas]] ([[User talk:Xérnéas|talk]]) 07:13, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
:It's protected for good reason. A template with such heavy use (and so complicated as well) is not wise for anyone (even staff) to edit freely. It's not the highest priority, but we should get around to it...eventually. We still need to update the hatch time calculation, too. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:57, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== [[User talk:Mygs#Spelling, capitalization, etc|Just a heads up]] ==

I think you might have meant to say "'''Café''' is the proper spelling" instead of "Cafe"--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 04:55, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, I thought I did =P , thanks. I worded that first one differently at first, and then when I came to make it like others I wrote below, I must have screwed it up. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:59, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

== help identifying a weird glow in battle ==

Lately I've been encountering a strange ominous red glow on Pokemon in the Battle Spot, and all my attempts to search for the cause leads to incorrect search results and several rule 34 results. I seem to encounter it on Shiny Pokémon a lot. Here is a Vs Recorder of a battle I encountered it, watch the Mismagius.

CU8G-WWWW-WW3S-AMTR

It looks like either eyes or ribbon loops[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

:Further in the battle the same red eyes or ribbon loops appear on a shiny Umbreon [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 13:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFLOB_LkEFo [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thank you[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 11:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

== Slowpoke as a Water Bear ==

Nah, that was the right link. I mean, it may look strange but I'm sure they're based (not only psychically) on Water Bears (AKA tardigrades): they have similar body and limbs shapes; Slowpoke, and Slowbro, both have some ursine characteristics (suggesting a pun) and the name Tardigrada itself means "slow stepper".

I'd like to ask you to reconsider this one.
[[User:ExLight|ExLight]] ([[User talk:ExLight|talk]]) 19:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
:What I see is eight limbs and segmented bodies, and ''mandibles''. And they're miscroscopic. I could go on... They're pretty much nothing like Slowpoke.
:Your pun is fairly abstract. In the absence of any other stronger connections, it just comes off as a stretch to me. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

== Help in editing my discussion page ==

I want to clear the content of my discussion (talk) page but a error message came Vandal Filter 3 and asking an administrator to do that. Please help! [[User:Subhraneel|Subhraneel]] ([[User talk:Subhraneel|talk]]) 03:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC)Subhraneel
:Well, in the first place, people aren't really supposed to "remove" a talk page's contents anyway. What we ask users do as an alternative is [[Bulbapedia:Talk page policy#Archiving user talk pages|archive]] their talk page. Try that. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

== Quick question about pkmn template links ==

Should these be actively replaced? Part of the reason I decided to use {{template|pkmn}} (for the Pokémaniac and Tuber pages at least) was because every other Gen VI trainer class page used it in their "Art from"/"Appears in" bits and I wanted to be consistent.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 19:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
:I didn't exactly think all that far about it ( ^^; ). I was just thinking I didn't want to leave those changes and thereby "encourage" more use of pkmn for anyone who might see those. But if it's really used so regularly, it'd certainly be best if we could replace it with a proper game template.
:...Assuming I'm not just being "silly" about this distinction. =P I had this idea someone told me not to use "pkmn" before, but it may be I just imagined that (I can't find where that might have been from a brief search). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: New pages/notability ==

Oh, sorry about that. Just thought that since Bulbapedia was a primary place for people to look stuff up, it should have full lists for Battle Maison stuff. I wanted to add the quotes for Trainers since there seemed to be a lot of fascination around those on the web.

And on the topic of keeping up-to-date info (despite almost being Gen VI), can you look at the [[Cute (condition)]], [[Cool (condition)]], [[Beauty (condition)]], [[Clever (condition)]] and [[Tough (condition)]] page? I made fully-working tables updated for ORAS a while ago and left them on each of the discussion pages until the mods decide to update. Thanks. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:06, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
: Also, I know you said there was nothing wrong about the Trainers and Pokemon page, but the code is extremely hefty. Editing would be so much less laggy if I could use one template instead of 5ish newlines per entry. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 01:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
::For future reference, if someone posts on your talk page, respond there. (If everyone went back and forth, each person's talk page would only be half a conversation. =P ) Conversations should be kept in one place.
::When a page gets to a certain size, it just gets unwieldy, and I don't think templates necessarily help. But how much information have you still not included? Are you still gathering information somehow? (And/or how?) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:21, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

== repeated links ==

In [[Route 124]] Surf is linked in items, but it also linked in the right side bar. So it's already linked twice? {{unsigned|EternalDragonX}}
:The infobox can usually be "ignored" for that sort of consideration. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:19, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

== But a Lucky Punch doesn't work on Happiny. ==

Shouldn't this fact just be on Chansey's page? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:43, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
:First off, don't put part of your conversation as a discussion title. That's not what a title is for, and it just becomes easy to miss, as well. If you can't think of what you should put, just use the page name where your issue originates (like "Happiny").
:As to your question: It's talking about the family. I think it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:37, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

== That Colosseum thing. ==

I don't understand your explanation for removing this:
Also, any Pokémon absent from {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} that are in Colosseum (whether they're catchable or not) were all introduced in Generation II.

To elaborate, the only gen 1 Pokemon trainers used were the ones that were in Ruby & Sapphire (from this list) [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml], such as Zubat, Geodude, and Tentacool. Anything from gen 1 that's not on the list, such as Onix, Porygon, and Snorlax were not used by any trainers.

You said:

It's mostly expected that a pair of games opening a generation lets you catch all the new Pokemon. That only leaves Gen I & II, so the last part is obvious/not notable

I fail to understand what makes it obvious. Can you please elaborate? Thanks. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 15:48, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:You've already excluded Gen I with the start of your point. So it very literally doesn't need saying that any Pokemon not in RS are from Gen II: that's the only (reasonable) possibility! [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, I get what you're saying. But just so we're clear, you do understand I'm talking ''about your opponents'' & not the player, right? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what distinction you're trying to make.
:::Also, please use ":"s to indent your responses one space farther in than the previous reply. It should be simple enough to understand if you look at the code here when you reply. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:15, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sorry, force of habit; another wiki I use doesn't enforce it.
::::So you still don't get my explanation, huh? Hmm... Okay, you know how only 200 Pokemon are obtainable in Ruby & Sapphire? (See this [http://serebii.net/rubysapphire/hoennpokedex.shtml] for which ones) Some of the Pokemon from gen 1 couldn't be caught or seen in either game.
::::Now you know how when you see a Pokemon in Colosseum, it gets registered into your [[P★DA]] (like a Pokedex)? Well, let's say you battle every single trainer and snag every Pokemon. Now if you look at your P★DA, the only gen 1 Pokemon you'll find are the ones on that list I gave you. There was no way to get Raticate & such on there until Firered & Leafgreen came out. If you still don't understand, which part(s) don't you get? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::(Reminder: ''Use preview'' and/or use the indent on your ''whole'' response, please.)
:::::I never assumed you were talking about Pokemon traded in from another game. That kind of ''completely'' ruins any point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::Technically I wasn't talking about trading; I only brought up FR/LG because I didn't know how to explain it any better, and I still don't. Also, if we keep indenting, won't it get a little... messy? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::There's nothing "messy" about indentation. What's messy is mixing it back and forth (or not using it at all).
:::::::If you can't understand what you're trying to say well enough, then I'm sorry, but I just can't exert myself too hard to try to understand you in your confusion. As far as I'm concerned, this whole conversation has basically been about Pokemon obtainable ''within'' Colosseum alone. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:45, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, so you still think this is about obtainable Pokemon? That would explain the confusion. I'm not talking about that at all; I'm talking about Pokemon you can battle, but '''can't actually catch'''. For example, Lady Venus has a Steelix & Vileplume but you can't actually get one. However, they still get registered to your P★DA just from battling her. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Then I'm just going to say it's not important. Or too complicated to be important. Obtainable Pokemon? Sure. Just encounters? If it's not ''very'' straightforward (very easy, simple, perhaps "natural" delineations), it's not really worth noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:59, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Okay, well, at least you finally get it. Even if you don't add it, I'm just glad I finally explained myself. Sorry about the whole thing; I'm not always good with words. I'm usually either too specific or too vague. Thanks for talking this through. I hope I wasn't a bother.[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:03, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Battle area templates ==

Thank you for making the battlearea templates. That should help save a lot of memory when editing. I have created a [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-head|header]] and [[User:TehPerson/Lop/Battlearea-foot|footer]] to go along. They are different, but hopefully an improvement on, what already exists. [[User:TehPerson|TehPerson]] ([[User talk:TehPerson|talk]]) 18:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== King's Rock ==
Ooooohhhh right, it doesn't mean Hariyamas are in Mossdeep City! Sorry for the confusion. {{unsigned|UltramanAce3245}}
:That's alright, just glad to clear it up. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

== Pokken Pages ==

Thanks for the advice! If I find some free time soon, I might start up those pages but we'll see. As for your question about the arenas, the only thing different about them other than scenery is shape and size (which can actually have a large impact on the fighting itself). I actually just got the game yesterday so I haven't even unlocked them all yet, haha. The way I see it, either there could be a page for each arena, or just an "Arena" page that lists them out and describes them briefly. Either way, I do think it should be separated from the Pokken page at some point. [[User:Swiftgallade46|Swiftgallade46]] ([[User talk:Swiftgallade46|talk]]) 06:49, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
:And if it'll get split, someone has to start it. =P Someone else could do it tomorrow, perfectly! But we can't really bet on that. If everyone waits, nothing will ever get done! If you decide to start something on a userpage, feel free to make whatever choice you want, an individual arena or a list; we can see what happens. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:08, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
::After getting some more information, it might be best to start out trying a list. Just make a section for each arena, with a basic, overall description I guess (and/or whatever you can think of that you think is notable), and then I suppose the bulk of the section would be taken up by background Pokemon. (If you don't see this before you start a page, though, and you make an individual arena page, no biggie, we can still see what's what and then maybe try starting a list.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

== So what IS an acceptable source? And can you prove it has Flame Body? ==

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20140213193237/http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/moltres

Smogon also states Flame Body. Can you prove which is the correct ability? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
:Smogon's alright.
:It's weird, I tried looking back, and I can't find any good reason it was added. ''We'' said Flame Body in Gen V. Then all of a sudden a "note" is added for Flash Fire recently. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Re: Japanese names ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ3ixRedaa0 Korean Ending], [http://www.pocketmonsters.net/episodes/viewep/1697 Pocketmonsters.net], [https://translate.google.es/#ja/en/%E7%94%B0%E4%B8%AD%E4%B8%80%E7%9C%9F%0A%E5%86%A8%E5%AE%89%E5%A4%A7%E8%B2%B4 Google Translate]. --[[User:DarkPikaDex123|DarkPikaDex123]] ([[User talk:DarkPikaDex123|talk]]) 23:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

== Miscrediting of anime animation directors ==

Hi, I noticed that the anime episode infoboxes have credited some people wrongly as animation directors (作画監督) when they should have been assistant animation directors (作画監督補佐). I have [[Special:Diff/2430901|corrected]] one such case, but it seems that this may be more common than I think. For example:

*[[XY002]]: 田島瑞穂, 松田真路 and one more person not in the infobox are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY003]]: 堤舞 and 松永香苗 are actually credited as assistant animation director in the anime
*[[XY009]]: 岩根雅明 is actually credited as assistant animation director

I looked around and saw one example in [[DP063]] (comparing against [[Anime_staff_by_episode_(DP061-DP070)#DP063]]), which does not have this problem, but then again, this is from a previous series, so I am not sure if it is some guideline/policy introduced with the XY series and want to clarify what the correct way should be, before I go about correcting the other articles. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 12:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:There is another problem when the episode credits the executive animation director (総作画監督) and assistant executive animation directors (総作画監督補佐). The credits screen places these staff on a higher position than animation directors (作画監督), but it is not necessarily reflected in the episode's infobox, where they are all credited as animation directors (作画監督):
:Example in [[XY106]]: 志村泉 and 松永香苗, who served as assistant executive animation directors in that episode, not only are miscredited in the infobox, but are also placed below 岩根雅明 in the infobox. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:59, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
::<s>There is currently no particular policy regarding your question. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)</s>
::The verdict is that only those credited as a plain animation director should be listed as such in the infobox. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Ok, thank you for the clarification! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 03:27, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::I ran into another edge case on [[SS026]]: there is no animation director listed in the credits, but 総作画監督 is listed (although this is translated to "executive animation director" on Bulbapedia, now I am not sure if the translation is fully correct; the "総" taken in context, could mean either "lead", or "chief"). How should the episode infobox be filled in, in this case? I have added the executive animation directors to the infobox for now. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:10, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That sounds fine to me (if there's no position X in the credits, then the next highest position is appropriate/acceptable), but I'll have to double-check with others to be sure. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:54, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Not unique = not notable" ==

You say that a lot, but I'd like to mention a few things:

{{p|Noibat}}
Noibat and its evolution Noivern are the only dual Flying-type Pokémon to have Flying as their primary type.

{{p|Aegislash}}
No other Pokémon has the same [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|type combination]] as Aegislash and its {{p|Honedge|evolutionary}} {{p|Doublade|relatives}}.

[[DP072]]
This episode marks one of the extremely rare instances that Ash ever intentionally hurts a Pokémon, as he kicks J's Drapion in the face in order to escape from its claws.

I could name more examples, but I just want to ask, why are these considered special exceptions? Just out of curiosity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:49, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:Unique to, at most, a single Pokemon family.
:I hardly know the anime, certainly not enough to have any real idea about Ash's habit or lack thereof of abusing Pokemon. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Well then why isn't the anime thing notable for Porygon2 and Porygon-Z? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no idea what "anime" thing there was for Porygon2/Porygon-Z. There was a Melee thing and there was a TCG thing. (And "not unique = not notable" was only referring to the latter.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:04, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I meant to say ''voice'', not anime. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:07, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::That wasn't at all about being unique or not. Like I said in the edit summary, the point was ''contradictory''. We can't keep something contradictory on the page, and since it contradicted itself I wasn't sure what the point was really ''supposed'' to be, so all that was left was pretty much to remove it. If the intended point can be expressed without being contradictory, then it may be possible to judge if it's actually notable. (If you want to try to do that, I'd ask you to do it here in case there are any further questions, just so it doesn't spark multiple edits on that page.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::: Strange, I don't recall Z having a voice at all. Maybe I should just return the fact to what it originally was? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
* Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices. This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.
:::::::I'm actually wondering, why does Melee need to be mentioned? Were there other Pokemon who didn't have "audible voices" before Melee who received them in Melee? For that matter, is the whole point ''only'' supposed to be talking about Melee? Are there even 493 Pokemon in Melee—especially with "voices"? If it's not just about Melee, then is an "audible voice" or "voice" different from a [[cry]]? Because I know Porygon2 has a cry—makes a ''sound''—in Gen III and IV at least. The more I think about it, the more I have to wonder if it's not just a bad point, '''period'''... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Sorry for not indenting, but it's starting to get cluttered IMO. Anyway, you do understand that a cry and a voice are 2 different things, right? Like how Pikachu uses a voice actor in the anime, but in the games makes a weird noise (cry)? BTW, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx_wE6R8L_E]] Porygon2 is at 2:42ish. 19:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:I see no reason I should have realized that a "voice" is not a "cry". The trivia point is pretty damn confusing if you ask me.
:''Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice despite having a role in [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], where Pokémon have recorded voices.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, all Pokemon that appear '''''in Melee''''' except Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean something else?
:''This also makes it the only one of the first 493 not to have a voice.'' What does this mean? Does this mean, ''in Melee'', the first 493 Pokemon all appear somewhere, and all but Porygon2 have a "voice"? Does it mean, in some core series game, 492 of the first 493 Pokemon have a "voice"? If the latter: which game(s)?
:I have more questions, but let's try to answer these first. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
::Forget the core Pokemon games. As to your questions:
::*Let's just change it to "Porygon2 is the only one in its evolutionary family to not receive an audible voice, {{tt|period|Leaving this part off the actual page, obviously|?}}."
::*... It means Porygon2 never had a human voice actor in any of the franchise, really, whether it be in the anime or a spin-off game.
::*What was the 3rd question again?
::[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:32, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Not notable: too small a group.
:::After looking back through the page's history, I was able to find where the point was [[Special:Diff/1249218|originally added]] and the intent becomes clearer, and that too was actually unnotable for the same reason.
:::The addition of [[Special:Diff/1544697|the latter part]] is also much clearer and is a bit like what you say above. That part is maybe notable... I just don't know if there's any Pokemon beyond the first 493 who doesn't have a "voice". If it's not unique, it's not notable. ''"Porygon2 is the only Pokémon that has never been voiced by a human voice actor"'' would be good (and clear) trivia, ''if'' it's true. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

So just out of curiosity, why doesn't this rule apply to the anime? I see it a lot (ex: this happens again in over say, 500 episodes later) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:First off: I don't really know the anime.
:That said: 500 episodes is pretty long. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::Mind if I chime in here, since that point came up in a potential [[Talk:XY116|trivia point]] before XY116 aired? As Tiddlywinks said, 500 epsidoes is a long time, and according to ForceFire droughts are notable. Not something I personally agree with, but it seems to be the accepted norm for the anime at this point. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 01:23, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, 718+ Pokemon's a large number. So why does it only have to apply to 1 for it to be trivia as opposed to just 2 or 4? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:50, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::::As far as I'm concerned, if you want to argue about the games, we (you and I) can argue about the games. But if you want to argue about the anime, or use the anime to argue about the games, you should find someone more familiar with the anime for that. I can parrot and postulate, but I don't have any real "feel" for the anime. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:03, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Very well. I was just asking out of curiosity anyway. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

== Ice cannot be frozen in any gen ==

https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/master/engine/battle/core.asm#L7413 
https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/master/battle/effect_commands.asm#L5433 
pokeruby has not yet the info, but if you REALLY want to, I can disassemble the relevant part in Gen 3 real quick. 
I'll make sure to use more meaningful summaries in the future, but you'll have to excuse me for being slightly -annoyed- at having to ask people to not believe Bulbapedia for any old gen related information if the article has not been updated recently, then having people revert my edits because my summaries are "not gonna cut it", while edits like the following one pose no problem, and worse they cause wrong information to be on the wiki for more than a year, and cause a lot of people to take it for true, thus I had ONCE AGAIN to expain to people that NO, they aren't going to freeze my Jynx with Ice Beam, despite whatever is written on Bulbapedia, and that NO the implementation on PS is not wrong. 
[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2225495&oldid=2223367 The wrong info was added by SnorlaxMonster], on December 30th 2014, with the reason "'''Not sure if Ice types can be frozen by Ice-type moves in Gen II and III'''". Now that's a '''completely valid reason''' to make that edit and to add wrong informations, right ? 
So, yeah, I'm a bit pissed right now. If my edit has a bad summary, the edit was still done, and the first thing you should have done is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Froggy25 looking at my contributions] to conclude that I'm "not just confused or something", but that this info was removed because it was incorrect (or at the very least not on a whim), so you wouldn't have to undo my edit. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Freeze_%28status_condition%29&diff=2431162&oldid=2431159 Also don't mark the undo as a minor edit]. If the "Hide minor edits" is active in a user's watchlist, he won't be able to see it. '''Then''' you could have [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Froggy25 sent me a message] on my talk page to ask the reason of the edit, and tell me to write meaningful summaries. Much better than restoring wrong info on an article, one of the too many that still has incorrect info about old gens that old gen players are trying to correct.
--[[User:Froggy25|Froggy25]] ([[User talk:Froggy25|talk]]) 15:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:It's totally understandable if you're annoyed. But don't place the blame on me.
:I do actually know you from your past contributions—but the other day I sure as hell didn't know you from Adam, and some unknown going "Huh?" just ''screams'' "I'M ASSUMING!" Sure, there's various things I ''could'' have checked. But you sure as hell didn't look very trustworthy, and ''I'' sure as hell can't always do everything ''I'' might want to, so no, I really don't think any particular blame is on ''me'' for reverting you. If you want to avoid similar confusion in the future, you know how. I don't claim to be perfect, but something other than "Huh?" can only help.
:In all hope of goodwill, I do look forward to your further contributions. Like I said, I've seen you contribute good things. Just try not to take things too personally and address any confusion with all due civility. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== "Cite" template from Zelda Wiki ==

I saw that Zelda wiki uses Citations as references for sources as to where does certain information comes from. [http://zeldawiki.org/Moblin#References Example]

I was wondering if we could implement that. I would love to do that. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 19:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think there's much need for something like that. And perhaps you really think it'd be good for us...but the way you've said it here, you just sound like you're on a similar track as some of the other things you've wanted to do before and that's your primary concern—and such a big change isn't likely to happen just to make one person happy. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:55, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::I was just wondering. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 21:01, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

== I got a dumb question about the {{bp|code of conduct}}... :P ==

Considering what it basically means, would actually using the phrase "WTF" actually be a violation of the code of conduct? Like I said, it is a kinda dumb question, I guess, but I just started to wonder about that. :P Thank you for your time. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:19, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Code of conduct#What that means]]. It doesn't have to be a bad thing. (I might think, in the majority of situations it might be used, it wouldn't be too bad.) The goal isn't really to avoid "curse words", it's just like it says on the tin: Be nice. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks! ^_^ ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 17:55, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

== About Recruitable Pokémon in Dungeon ==
Hey Tiddlywinks! I noticed your recent edit about the "Recruitable Pokémon" section in Super Mystery Dungeon, and I just thought I'll bring up some discussion into this.

Regrading its notability, I think it is kinda notable since the Pokémon are recruited at different levels and importantly they can come with special moves (e.g. one of the Unown). But if the page was to have all the Pokémon listed as it is now, the page would probably become way to huge. In my opinion, I prefer the table format as it is in [[Connection Orb]], and I think adding the moves/levels into that table would probably be the most logical since it is relevant to Connecting; but the table will become even larger than it is right now (which is already big!). --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks! That is a thought, putting it on [[Connection Orb]] where all the Pokemon are already listed. I've had a few questions I've remained unsure about, though, maybe you could help me out just so I can be sure?
:From what I've gathered, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting, right? And you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games, is that right? Also, ''anyone'' you connect with in the Connection Orb will be recruitable when you go on an expedition (give or take any who are on a "break")?
:I'm actually thinking SMD needs a bit of a rethink overall, re:connections/recruiting...
:As far as I can tell, this connection stuff is basically equivalent to availability for SMD (like [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#In side games]])... I'm thinking the table on Connection Orb only really needs the first four columns, and we should put the info about how to meet and/or connect with a Pokemon on its species page. I also think we should add something like a "Connections" section to all the location pages listing what Pokemon you can connect with there (and how), and maybe what Pokemon you can just meet (basically like the "Pokemon" sections of core series locations; it could even be called "Pokemon" maybe). On a dungeon page, it could say what mission (that can be done at that dungeon) can be completed to connect with a Pokemon, and it could say if any Pokemon can show up as traveling/fainted/fleeing Pokemon. And for [[Serene Village]], it could say how you can talk to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591BcpStAgc&t=13m23s Azumarill] in [[Café Connection]] (though I don't know ''how'' random Café Connections are...). I think this would be more appropriate and about as useful as trying to cram all that info into the same page on Connection Orb (which we really don't generally do).
:I have thoughts of mocking up a few pages (and templates) to demonstrate the idea. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

::Firstly, yes, "connecting" in the Connection Orb is basically the new recruiting. And yes, you can't (ever) recruit Pokemon by beating them in dungeons like in the past games. Not sure what you mean by your 3rd question but you can use any members you have connected with on a mission. I'm only very early in the game though...
::And I think all your ideas sound great and practical! :)--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 04:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Thanks! I hate the idea of asking something burdensome of you, but it'd be great if you could keep track of what missions are at what dungeons as you play, and what Pokemon connect after completing them (since most of that isn't even filled in on Connection Orb table). When there's [[Template:PSMD locations|still whole dungeons]] without pages, I don't hold out a lot of hope that there'll be people jumping at the opportunity to fill out connection details if we add such sections. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:03, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::::Sure thing! I was already sort of keeping track, but as you can tell I'll be going pretty slowly because of other commitments. But better late and never. --[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 05:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, that's totally fine! I may put some time into browsing some playthrough videos for that sort of data too, but I kind of expect it'll be hard to get complete data for some/many places by that. It'll be good if there's someone who can keep better track. ^_^ [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:29, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Non-significant "error" on [[XY114]] ==

Hi, I wonder if you could take some time to take a look at [[Talk:XY115]]? I don't think [[Special:Diff/2429091|this error]] that was added into the article is really what we can consider an "error", but more of a technical limitation due to resolution. I [[Special:Diff/2434833|removed]] one part that was obviously false, but the rest of the statement doesn't seem right, too. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 08:59, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know whether it should be called a techinical limitation or what, but I kind of agree with you: it's just too far away for me to personally care about calling any of those things "errors". However, I'm really not very familiar with the anime or anything, so it would probably be best if you asked someone who is about this. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:55, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::Right, thank you! [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

== Web accessibility ==

Hello

Have you ever heard of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_accessibility web accessibility] ? If not, I recommend you to read [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility this] and, especially, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial that].

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_Adventures_omnibus_volumes&diff=2435686&oldid=2435678 By undoing some of my changes], I think you are not very nice to impaired persons. [[User:Ju gatsu mikka|Ju gatsu mikka]] ([[User talk:Ju gatsu mikka|talk]]) 17:01, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
:I essentially reverted it because it's just not how we've done ''any'' table here (AFAIK). I will bring up the considerations you suggest with other staff members. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

== That error you undid. ==

Basically, Meowth is apparently a wild Pokemon, because in other episodes (like where he's supposedly fired from Team Rocket), he's been hit with a Pokeball and sucked inside, although it breaks out. But in that episode, it doesn't. You see what I'm saying?

PS: How am I supposed to know if it's a redirect? I can't tell it apart from the real one. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:43, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
:The Poke Ball was originally thrown at Kabutops and then deflected/rejected. As far as I'm concerned, that means it doesn't ''have'' to "activate" when it hits Meowth. If there's any particular reason to think otherwise, please let me know.
:Visit both of these links: [[Pokeball]] and [[Poké Ball]]. If you compare them both, you can easily see the difference. Specifically, look right under the article title. It says. If you just follow the links you're making, you can easily check if it's a redirect. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:55, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

== Connection ==
Hey Tiddlywinks. Just wanted to note a few things before you make any changes to SMD related pages. I was comparing my missions with youtube videos, and I noticed a few differences.
*The location of the mission can differ (e.g. Ralts mission [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFfUdpH8Mc] vs. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms9HzXa2aH8]). I think the locations may be fixed to certain limited locations since mine was the same as one of them, and not all locations are open at the start. This means that the idea of putting which Pokemon can be connected with on specific location pages might not work.
However, things that do appear fixed:
*The type of mission
*The reward after a mission (I don't know if you want to include this info to wherever the mission info will be moved to)
*The difficulty of the mission (I don't know if you want to include this info somewhere too)

Also what do you mean by "set 3 contains 809 Pokémon" on the Connection Orb page?--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 00:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
:Awesome, thanks for finding that and letting me know! If you might be up for experimenting, maybe you could see if there's any way to soft-reset and change where a Pokemon's mission is set. (Maybe you have to soft-reset to before their mission-posting requirement has been met.) It'd be really interesting to know how many locations most missions are limited to (especially if all the dungeons have been unlocked), just a few or a lot (or ''any'') or what? If it's a lot, it may indeed be less useful to try to list a dungeon's missions...
:I took 809 from a quick look at a number I already had from a step in my process, not realizing that it was actually something like the total number of Pokemon in the first two rows of the table, instead of just the number of individual rows/"nodes". I completely spaced on how big the number I was writing actually was. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:14, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

== How was that too specific? (Pikachu) ==

Pikachu is the only Pokémon to have 2 of its base stats increased in [[Generation VI]]. Specifically, its Defense and Sp. Def

If it's the last part, why didn't you just delete it? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:I was thinking...stuff? I've re-added and reworded it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks. One more thing, over here on the ability page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ability_variations&curid=119361&diff=2442103&oldid=2439797]. Please tell me you I'm misunderstanding that last part. >_> [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 22:52, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::What? (I don't understand.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
(and no one else "matters")
::::(Sorry for not indenting; I can't seem to do it with the box) [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:24, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::That doesn't tell me what you're misunderstanding...
:::::If some random site says they were variations or something, that's completely irrelevant to our page. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::I was interpreting it as you meant nobody matters except you. And I didn't get the info from any site or anywhere else; I've noticed the connection years ago; I only said it was removed for consistency purposes. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:35, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I wrote "''us''"...
:::::::Overcoat wasn't removed. No one removed anything. That table didn't exist until you put it there, just as it appears now (''without'' Overcoat). Even if it had been removed at some point, ''saying'' it was "removed" wouldn't be the way to note it. (No one cares. We only describe the end result, not someone saying, "Hey, this needed to be removed.") [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::My apologies; I just assumed from [[move variations]] (like [[move variations#Blizzard|Blizzard]]) that it was the same type of thing. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 23:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It is. But if you saw an example on move variations, it would have been much less confusing if you had copied that example better. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah, I don't know why I didn't mention it sooner. Sorry I bothered you. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 00:06, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

== Re:[[Bewitching Tunnel]] ==

The latter. It was not acceptable? [[User:S U O M I|S U O M I]] ([[User talk:S U O M I|talk]]) 12:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yeah, generally, our convention is that a page starts with its official English name, but if we only know the official Japanese name, then we only include the Japanese parts at the beginning. (For example, see [[M19]], which has not been released outside of Japan yet.) It may be more convenient sometimes to use the translation/unofficial name in the text afterwards (and for the page title), but it's intended that someone eventually figure out the official English name, and putting the unofficial name there just confuses that.
:Also, for future reference, please try to keep conversations in one place rather than moving back and forth between different talk pages. Thanks. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

==Need your help with something==
A little trick I've been noticing on X and Y is that if in one of the areas where one of the "electric mice" (Pikuchu, Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, Emolga, and Dedenne) appears and if one of them (or Pichu or Raichu) is at the front of your party then they appear in a battle more often (I've did a recent check and found they kept appearing most of the time when Raichu was at the front of my party, in fact it helped me make it easier to get a Light Ball from Pikachu). I need a second opinion on this, and how to best approach this situation, as I don't know if this was intended or a simple game glitch (nor will I resort to speculation). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Have you tested it thoroughly with all of the "electric mice"? It sounds like it's just {{a|Static}}, but Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, and Dedenne don't have Static. If this doesn't actually work with them, then yeah, it's probably Static, but otherwise, you'd want to test other things. Like can they draw ''any'' Electric-type, or just fellow mice? Can ''any'' Electric-type draw the mice/Electric-types? And it's always nice if you can give some hard numbers too. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:Yup, Static. But anyway have a nice day. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 13:50, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

==FireRed and LeafGreen page==
When you have a chance could you go over the FireRed and LeafGreen and make any relevant changes to improve its quality. While it may have been the banned user SatoMew2 that originally posted the cleanup tags, I think if someone can improve quality then it can warrant the need to remove those tags and since you are better at sentence structure than I am, I think you can do a better a job when you have the time seeing how we both worked on Omega and Alpha Sapphire's page and you did a good job of improving quality (to which I won't complain as I understand your reasons). -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 05:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
:I've taken a look at it. I'm trying to focus on other things for a bit, but I'll try to get back to it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Good luck with your other work, and remember as I said above it's no rush in dealing with the changes, since you can do it when you ready. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 16:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== EXP yield changes in Gen VI ==

I thought you might want to know about this because you are working on a modified version of the infobox template in your userspace: there are some Pokémon who have had their experience yields adjusted again in Gen VI. Examples of some species which I have discovered so far are: Pikachu, Raichu, Nidoking, Nidoqueen. The current version of the infobox template only allows for "splitting" of these values between Gen 1-3, Gen 4, and Gen 5. Please consider highlighting this issue further upwards. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 14:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:From what I've gathered, you have some experience with 3DS/ROM modding or somesuch. If you would be able to dump various stats for Pokemon from the Gen VI games and link me the output somewhere (like just some file sharing site, or pastebin), I'd be happy to process the info and consider your suggestion.
:If you can dump all sorts of base stats and such beyond just the experience yield (like catch rate, base friendship, exp growth, egg groups, egg cycles, gender ratio, species, color, body type, base exp, EVs, type, height/weight, base stats), that'd be neat too. I ask just because, personally, I'd like to be able to verify the data on our pages if the need arises. I don't know if you'd know where all of those bits of data are, but any you could dump would be great. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::Hi, [http://pastebin.com/vCwfgWjf here's the dump]. All of this would not have been possible were it not for the efforts of Kaphotics and those folks at Project Pokemon, so a lot of the credit really goes to them - I only made some modifications to allow for a more complete dump.
::Some notes about the output:
::*Gender ratio corresponds to the table on [[Personality value]]
::*Height/weight are in metric units
::I can't find the location for the body type data; for Species (I assume you meant that bit about whether it is a Fox/Mouse/<whatever> Pokemon?), this text is stored somewhere else in the game data, and I will put up another separate dump later tomorrow. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Cool, thanks! I'll digest that in a while. And I guess Species is probably straightforwardly in the text dumps which have been floating around for long enough already, actually. I kind of just threw out (almost) everything I could think of. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

== Your revert on [[Captivate (move)]] ==

I removed that part because it was already addressed in the second statement: "It will fail if the target has the Ability Oblivious, '''is the same gender as the user''', or either or both Pokémon are genderless." Please reconsider your revert. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:19, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
:It certainly should not be reverted. Even if the ''next'' sentence says that it fails if they're opposite genders, that's simply "too late"; mention of such a core requirement should not be deferred like that. On {{m|Attract}}, we certainly wouldn't say that it causes the target to become infatuated, period, and for {{m|Synchronoise}}, we wouldn't say that it damages all adjacent Pokemon, period; and then only in the following sentence mention that, oh, by the way, it doesn't work on [these] Pokemon... That's just not appropriate for these sorts of moves.
:As the section stands, it's hardly terrible; the second sentence is simply listing all the cases where it fails. However, if it's really such a problem for you, what you could do is remove the mention in the second sentence. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

== The nightmare trivia ==

Why did you remove the trivia at [[The Nightmare]]? I do understand that it's already made clear that the Pokémon mentioned in that point is already in the Pokémon encountered section, but what is not clear is that they're connected to happiness. So that's why I think the trivia should stay, so once again why was it removed? --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 07:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:In general, I think the point was leaning a bit more subjective than not, and I think it's easy ''enough'' to look at the table and just see, "Yeah...most of those don't look very scary." [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:53, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== About the Item template ==

Hey, I was wondering about the Item template, I've noticed when I was previewing my edit on the [[Seed]] page, I noticed that the <code><nowiki>|sprite3=Seed VI</nowiki></code> was not working. So it made me realize that the Item template is missing a <code><nowiki>{{#if:{{{sprite2|}}}|{{{{#if:{{{mdex|}}}|Md}}bag|{{{sprite3|{{{name|Cancel}}}</nowiki></code> code or something like that. I'm terrible with programming, but like I said earlier, I am willing to learn. Also, I have many models of items that I can upload, if everyone is okay with that. Is it okay if I upload the models of items from Gates to Infinity and Super Mystery Dungeon? —[[User:Platinum Lucario|Platinum Lucario]] ([[User talk:Platinum Lucario|talk]]) 22:02, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
:I don't know if we necessarily want ''lots'' of sprites in the item templates.
:You've already gotten permission to upload captured 3DS images. If you have any further questions about uploading, you may want to ask someone who's specifically on the Archives staff. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

== Alola/Melemele Pokédex ==

I noticed you removed my reference to the Melemele Pokédex with the comment "Please, do not assume. It's only been shown in Japanese." Since when are we not allowed to include Japanese names for things that don't have confirmed English names? Unless you're taking issue with me romanizing メレメレ as Melemele, in which case you should know that "melemele" is Hawaiian for yellow. Given that the region is based on Hawaii, "assuming" that メレメレ refers to the Hawaiian word "melemele" is just as reasonable as "assuming" that the パルレ in [[Pokémon Amie]]'s Japanese name refers to the French word "parler". If you really want to be anal about it by all means keep it as "Meremere" for the time being, but I see no reason not to include it just because it's not the English name.--[[User:Siobonbon|Siobonbon]] ([[User talk:Siobonbon|talk]]) 07:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
:First off, please do understand that we do not wish to present (romanized) Japanese names in a way that people might mistake them as official English names for things. In the past, that may have been kind of necessary in our coverage of the core games, since the English might not be fully revealed when the Japanese games were already out; but the core games are currently being released/introduced simultaneously worldwide, so that's not really a problem anymore.
:Otherwise... I kind of took the simplest approach at the time. I feel that waiting isn't ''so'' terrible a thing. (Sure, Melemele/Yellow seems pretty reasonable...but there's always that niggling fear of an alternative you didn't see, especially at this point in the "game".) But on your insistence, I'll take the [[Special:Diff/2455576|middling option]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:14, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

== Trainer's Choice ==

I will acknowledge that much of what I wrote was unnecessary for a concise summation. But I would like to know by what reasoning anything I put down was 'outright wrong.' --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:35, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
:For AG052: ''Incorrect; while Torkoal's {{t|Fire}}-Type makes him strong against the {{t|Grass}}-Type Shiftry, Taillow's {{t|Flying}}-Type is both strong against and resists Grass.'' The thing is, Fire also resists Grass. Taillow isn't special in that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:41, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, an oversight on my part. Thank you for the clarification. --[[User:The Dreamer|The Dreamer]] ([[User talk:The Dreamer|talk]]) 16:42, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

== I just don't understand ==

Why is it that they tell me to add noteworthy facts, which I did for [[Bibarel]] and [[Combee]], and then have it reverted. I don't get it![[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 19:53, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
:The trivia here is a bit strict compared to ssbwiki, IMO. From experience here (by which, I mean screw-ups), I can tell you one thing: if it applies to more than 1 Pokemon, it's not considered trivia, unless one evolves into the other. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:12, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, but I don't really know what to tell you either, Theexploringgamer. It's just a general rule of thumb in our trivia is that a thing should either be unique to a single Pokemon or to a single family. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:40, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

== Movesets of CPU-controlled trainer Pokemon ==

Usually, the movesets of Pokemon in trainer encounters are undefined; the game looks at the Pokemon's current level (which is programmed into the trainer encounter data), then "generates" a moveset on the fly corresponding to the last 4 level-up moves that the Pokemon would theoretically learn. Trainer battles with explicitly defined movesets seldomly come by, and seems to be mostly limited to characters relevant to the storyline.

However, there's this Ace Trainer at [[Kiloude City]] which has a custom moveset for his Pokemon. Would it be alright to use {{tl|Party/Single}} for him? [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:16, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:No...I don't think so. He's a one-time battle, and only in one game (pair). He's not really notable and that's what the template is generally meant for. If you'd like, you could leave the moveset in HTML comments by his team perhaps. We have considered a bit the possibility of adding movesets to the Trainer list template, so it may get used. And if not...it'd still be there for other people to find? Actually, at that thought, it might be ''more'' visible on the city's talk page. (Feel free to do either, or both.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:25, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::I will add it to the talk page, then. Looks like Anton is a one-off exception (at least for Gen VI), probably because he somehow decided to use Weezing and its 4 most recent level-up moves at level 65 are... not that stellar. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 15:35, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
:::Plenty of generic Ace Trainers/Veterans have custom movesets in my experience starting in Gen III and IV, as well as almost every trainer in the console side-games. Every trainer with Smeargle in X/Y also has a custom moveset for it. The trainers in Terminus Cave/Victory Road had a bunch of them from what I remember. Sky Battles too, I believe. It's still debatable if it's notable, but it's not really all that rare. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 16:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::::Oops, I completely forgot about all those! I guess it's due to the way the movesets are generated; some Pokemon do not have good level-up movesets for battle at higher levels, too. Perhaps the next pair of games will do something else regarding this. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 16:23, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemaster97's vandal is back. ==

Goes by the name GogglesTheTotodile . I was told this is how I report someone. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 16:55, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
:There is not strong reason to suspect that user of being a sock or anything at this point. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:58, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
::My apologies; I just assumed based on the message similarity. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:02, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

== Secret Base Representative Trainer Class ==

The information is necessary because it's incorrect otherwise. I spent a good 2 hours trying to get trainer representation to be correct for my program to only find out it takes the first byte and the information on the wiki was incorrect. Modulo 256 will sometimes give a different last digit than just the plain Trainer ID. {{unsigned|Trigger death}}
:You're absolutely right, that's totally my bad. I tried to think if it made a difference and just didn't think in binary right. Sorry. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
::No worries. :) And good idea with linking modulo for people who don't know what that means. [[User:Trigger death|Trigger death]] ([[User talk:Trigger death|talk]]) 20:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

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Trigger death: /* Representative Trainer Class */

[[File:ORAS Secret Base Art.png|thumb|290px|{{ga|Brendan}} and multiple Trainers and Pokémon in a Secret Base]]
A '''Secret Base''' (Japanese: '''ひみつきち''' ''Secret Base'') is a special area that the {{player}} can create in [[Hoenn]]- and [[Sinnoh]]-based games to decorate with various accessories, furniture, and Pokémon dolls. While the name is retained as the same between Hoenn and Sinnoh, the only real similarity between the two is in the manner in which they are decorated.

==In the games==
===Generation III===
[[File:RSE Secret Base Art.png|thumb|{{ga|Brendan}}'s Secret Base]]
Most [[route]]s in the Hoenn region feature several areas which can be converted into a Secret Base, with small indents in walls being able to be carved out into a cave, tall trees being able to drop down vines, and clumps of grass being able to be moved. These areas become accessible to this conversion only if the Trainer has a Pokémon that can use {{m|Secret Power}}, available via [[TM43]].

Trainers can decorate their Secret Base in any way they please, being able to put up to 16 [[decoration]]s into the area. Trainers can run while inside of a Secret Base, but cannot ride a bike. A boy in [[Mossdeep City]] reminds players of where their own Secret Base is.

If a player [[Record mixing|mixes records]] with other Ruby, Sapphire, or Emerald game cartridges, Secret Bases will copy over between them (even those from other players who have previously mixed records). Inside of Secret Bases that do not belong to the player, an [[Non-player character|NPC]] can be found to represent the person that took that Secret Base as their own. After the [[Elite Four]] have been defeated, the player can battle the NPC, who will have the [[party]] of the person who owns that Secret Base as of the time of record mixing. These battles award money, experience, and all other things that normal battles with NPCs do, but they can only occur once per day, with the time resetting at midnight, and items stolen from the NPC's Pokémon using {{m|Thief}} are not kept afterwards. Should the NPC win, the player will not "[[black out]]" and return to the last visited [[Pokémon Center]], nor lose any money.

====Locations====
There are 75 locations where Secret Bases can be made:
{| class="roundy sortable" style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}; margin:auto"
|-
! style="background-color: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Route
! style="background-color: #{{hoenn color light}}" | Base type
! style="background-color: #{{hoenn color light}}" | Layout
! style="background-color: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Location
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|110|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| Split
| Left side of the tree. On an island south of the northern gatehouse. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|110|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| 3-room
| Right side of the tree. On an island south of the northern gatehouse. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|111|Hoenn}}
| Cave (yellow)
| Horseshoe
| Central area of the eastern wall in the desert region. East of Mirage Tower.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|111|Hoenn}}
| Cave (yellow)
| Divided
| Central area of the northern wall in the desert region. East of the southern dirt slope.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|111|Hoenn}}
| Cave (yellow)
| Square
| Eastern area of the northern wall in the desert region. Far east of the southern dirt slope.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|111|Hoenn}}
| Cave (red)
| 2-room
| On the mountain south of the rest house. Northeast of the southern dirt slope. Requires Mach Bike.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|111|Hoenn}}
| Cave (yellow)
| 2-room
| On the mountain southeast of the rest house. East of the southern dirt slope. Requires Mach Bike.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|111|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| Square
| Left side of the tree. West of the rest house.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|111|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| Square
| Right side of the tree. West of the rest house.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|111|Hoenn}}
| Cave (red)
| Tall
| On the mountain northeast of the rest house. East of the northern dirt slope. Requires Mach Bike.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|113|Hoenn}}
| Cave (red)
| Square
| East of the Glass Workshop.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|114|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| Split
| Left side of the tree. On an island west of the bridge. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|114|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| 3-room
| Right side of the tree. On an island west of the bridge. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|114|Hoenn}}
| Cave (brown)
| Square
| Western side of the mountainous area. Southwest of Lanette's House. North of Meteor Falls.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|114|Hoenn}}
| Cave (brown)
| Divided B
| Eastern side of the mountainous area behind two smashable rocks. South of Lanette's House. Northeast of Meteor Falls. Requires Rock Smash.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|114|Hoenn}}
| Cave (brown)
| 2-room
| Eastern side of the mountainous area. South of Lanette's House. Northeast of Meteor Falls.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|114|Hoenn}}
| Cave (brown)
| 2-room
| Southern part of the mountainous area beyond a smashable rock. Southeast of Meteor Falls. Requires Rock Smash.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|114|Hoenn}}
| Cave (brown)
| Divided A
| Slightly east of Meteor Falls behind a smashable rock. Requires Rock Smash.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|115|Hoenn}}
| Cave (red)
| Divided
| Southwest of Meteor Falls along the beach central.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|115|Hoenn}}
| Cave (brown)
| Divided B
| Southeast of Meteor Falls, head east after passing the first set of steps leading to Meteor Falls.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|115|Hoenn}}
| Cave (brown)
| Square
| East of Meteor Falls, before the second set of steps leading to Meteor Falls.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|115|Hoenn}}
| Cave (yellow)
| Divided
| Along the western portion of the northern beach. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|115|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| Tall
| Left side of the tree. From the northern beach head into the forested area and take the western path. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|115|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| Split
| Right side of the tree. From the northern beach head into the forested area and take the western path. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|115|Hoenn}}
| Cave (brown)
| Square
| In the northern mountainous area, west of the dirt slope. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|115|Hoenn}}
| Cave (brown)
| Divided B
| In the northern mountainous area, south and down the steps from the dirt slope. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|115|Hoenn}}
| Cave (brown)
| Divided A
| In the northern mountainous area, southwest and down the steps from the dirt slope. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|115|Hoenn}}
| Cave (brown)
| 2-room
| In the northern mountainous area, up the dirt slope and to the east. Requires Surf and Mach Bike.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|115|Hoenn}}
| Cave (brown)
| Divided A
| In the northern mountainous area, up the dirt slope and to the south. Requires Surf and Mach Bike.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|116|Hoenn}}
| Cave (blue)
| 2-room
| Southeast of the western Rusturf Tunnel entrance.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|116|Hoenn}}
| Cave (blue)
| Winding
| East of the western Rusturf Tunnel entrance, up two sets of steps.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|116|Hoenn}}
| Cave (blue)
| Wide
| East of the eastern Rusturf Tunnel entrance.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|116|Hoenn}}
| Cave (blue)
| Square
| Northeast of the eastern Rusturf Tunnel entrance, up two sets of steps.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|118|Hoenn}}
| Cave (yellow)
| Square
| In the northwestern part of the eastern beach.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|118|Hoenn}}
| Cave (red)
| Square
| In the southeastern part of the eastern beach.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|118|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| Tall
| Left side of the tree. Between the loamy soil and the path to Route 119.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|118|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| Square
| Right side of the tree. Between the loamy soil and the path to Route 119.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|118|Hoenn}}
| Cave (red)
| Tall
| East of the path to Route 119.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}
| Shrub
| Wide
| West from the house of Wingull, across the river.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}
| Cave (red)
| Divided
| East of the southern waterfall, to the north of southernmost loamy soil.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}
| Cave (blue)
| Winding
| West of the southern waterfall, across the white railing. Requires Acro Bike.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}
| Shrub
| Square
| West of the southern waterfall, across the white railing. Surrounded by trees and tall grass. Requires Acro Bike.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| 3-room
| Left side of the tree. Can be reached by surfing in the section of the river between the two waterfalls. Located just above and to the west of the southern waterfall. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| Tall
| Right side of the tree. Can be reached by surfing in the section of the river between the two waterfalls. Located just above and to the west of the southern waterfall. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}
| Shrub
| 2-room
| Can be reached by surfing in the section of the river between the two waterfalls. Northeast of the southern waterfall beyond some tall grass. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}
| Cave (blue)
| 2-room
| Can be reached by surfing in the section of the river between the two waterfalls. Between the Weather Institute and the northern waterfall. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}
| Shrub
| Divided
| South from Fortree City. East of the northern waterfall. Surrounded by long grass.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}
| Shrub
| Square
| Left side of the shrub. Northwestern corner of the map. Up the northern waterfall and across two sets of white railing. Requires Surf, Waterfall, and Acro Bike.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}
| Shrub
| 2-room
| Right side of the shrub. Northwestern corner of the map. Up the northern waterfall and across two sets of white railing. Requires Surf, Waterfall, and Acro Bike.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}
| Shrub
| Divided
| Left side of the shrub. Northwestern area. Up the northern waterfall and across three sets of white railing. Requires Surf, Waterfall, and Acro Bike.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|119|Hoenn}}
| Shrub
| Wide
| Right side of the shrub. Northwestern area. Up the northern waterfall and across three sets of white railing. Requires Surf, Waterfall, and Acro Bike.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|120|Hoenn}}
| Cave (blue)
| Wide
| North of Scorched Slab, along the water's edge and at the bottom of the steps.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|120|Hoenn}}
| Shrub
| Divided
| Northeast of Scorced Slab, north of the eastern end of the northern bridge.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|120|Hoenn}}
| Shrub
| Wide
| Between Scorched Slab and northern loamy soil, behind a cuttable tree. Requires Cut.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|120|Hoenn}}
| Shrub
| Square
| In the southeastern part of the tall grass maze, east of Ancient Tomb.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|120|Hoenn}}
| Cave (blue)
| Winding
| North of the southern bridge, across the lake, the left of the two indents. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|120|Hoenn}}
| Cave (blue)
| 2-room
| North of the southern bridge, across the lake, the right of the two indents. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|120|Hoenn}}
| Shrub
| Square
| South of Ancient Tomb and just north of the central loamy soil.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|120|Hoenn}}
| Shrub
| 2-room
| South of the southern bridge, just west of Route 121.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|121|Hoenn}}
| Cave (red)
| Divided
| Up the first set of steps and west of Mt. Pyre Pier, beyond a cuttable tree. Southwest of the Safari Zone. Requires Cut.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|121|Hoenn}}
| Cave (red)
| Tall
| Up the first set of steps and east of Mt. Pyre Pier. South of the Safari Zone.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|121|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| Tall
| Left side of the tree. Down the first set of steps and east of the Safari Zone.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|121|Hoenn}}
| Tree
| Square
| Right side of the tree. Down the first set of steps and east of the Safari Zone.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|123|Hoenn}}
| Cave (blue)
| Square
| The eastern indent on the small rocky area. Requires Surf to reach this area of the route.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|123|Hoenn}}
| Cave (blue)
| Wide
| The middle indent on the small rocky area. Requires Surf to reach this area of the route.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|123|Hoenn}}
| Cave (blue)
| Square
| The western indent on the small rocky area. Requires Surf to reach this area of the route.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|125|Hoenn}}
| Cave (yellow)
| 2-room
| On an island south of Shoal Cave. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|125|Hoenn}}
| Cave (yellow)
| Divided
| West of Shoal Cave, on the same land mass. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|125|Hoenn}}
| Cave (red)
| Square
| The left indent on an island northeast of Shoal Cave. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|125|Hoenn}}
| Cave (red)
| 2-room
| The right indent on an island northeast of Shoal Cave. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|127|Hoenn}}
| Cave (yellow)
| Square
| The eastern indent on an island to the east of the western tree island. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|127|Hoenn}}
| Cave (yellow)
| Horseshoe
| The western indent on an island to the east of the western tree island. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|127|Hoenn}}
| Cave (red)
| 2-room
| The northwestern indent on an island to the south of the eastern tree island. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|127|Hoenn}}
| Cave (yellow)
| Horseshoe
| The southwestern indent on an island to the south of the eastern tree island. Requires Surf.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rtn|127|Hoenn}}
| Cave (yellow)
| 2-room
| The eastern indent on an island to the south of the eastern tree island. Requires Surf.
|-
! colspan="4" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |
|}

====Layouts====
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}; margin:auto" width="800px"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}" cellpadding="2" width="100%"
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundyleft|15px}}; font-size: 120%" width="20%" | Tree layouts
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Gamma.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Square
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Delta.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Tall
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Alpha.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Split
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Beta.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | 3-room
|}
|}
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}" cellpadding="2" width="100%"
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundyleft|15px}}; font-size: 120%" width="20%" | Yellow cave layouts
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Eta.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Square
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Epsilon.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Horseshoe
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Zeta.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Divided
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Theta.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | 2-room
|}
|}
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}" cellpadding="2" width="100%"
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundyleft|15px}}; font-size: 120%" width="20%" | Red cave layouts
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Lambda.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Square
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Kappa.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Tall
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Mu.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Divided
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Iota.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | 2-room
|}
|}
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}" cellpadding="2" width="100%"
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundyleft|15px}}; font-size: 120%" width="20%" | Brown cave layouts
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Nu.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Square
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Pi.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Divided A
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Xi.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Divided B
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Omicron.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | 2-room
|}
|}
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}" cellpadding="2" width="100%"
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundyleft|15px}}; font-size: 120%" width="20%" | Blue cave layouts
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Upsilon.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Square
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Tau.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Wide
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Sigma.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Winding
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Rho.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | 2-room
|}
|}
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}" cellpadding="2" width="100%"
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundyleft|15px}}; font-size: 120%" width="20%" | Shrub layouts
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Chi.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Square
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Phi.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Wide
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Omega.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Divided
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base Psi.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | 2-room
|}
|}
|}

====Representative Trainer Class====
The Trainer the player is seen as on other games is dependent on the player's [[gender]] and the last digit of the lower byte of the Trainer's [[Trainer ID number|ID number]], or the Trainer's ID number modulo 256.

{| class="roundy" style="text-align: center; background: #{{hoenn color}}; border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}; margin:auto"
|-
! rowspan="2" style="background-color: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Gender
! colspan="5" style="background-color: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Last digit of ID #
|- style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}"
! 0 or 5
! 1 or 6
! 2 or 7
! 3 or 8
! 4 or 9
|- style="background: #fff"
! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}" | Male
| [[File:Spr RS Youngster.png|link=Youngster (Trainer class)]] {{tc|Youngster}}
| [[File:Spr RS Bug Catcher.png|link=Bug Catcher (Trainer class)]] {{tc|Bug Catcher}}
| [[File:Spr RS Rich Boy.png|link=Rich Boy (Trainer class)]] {{tc|Rich Boy}}
| [[File:Spr RS Camper.png|link=Camper (Trainer class)]] {{tc|Camper}}
| [[File:Spr RS Cooltrainer M.png|link=Ace Trainer (Trainer class)]] {{tc|Ace Trainer|Cooltrainer}}
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | Female
| style="background: #fff" | [[File:Spr RS Lass.png|link=Lass (Trainer class)]] {{tc|Lass}}
| style="background: #fff" | [[File:Spr RS School Kid F.png|link=School Kid (Trainer class)]] {{tc|School Kid}}
| style="background: #fff" | [[File:Spr RS Lady.png|link=Lady (Trainer class)]] {{tc|Lady}}
| style="background: #fff" | [[File:Spr RS Picnicker.png|link=Picnicker (Trainer class)]] {{tc|Picnicker}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Spr RS Cooltrainer F.png|link=Ace Trainer (Trainer class)]] {{tc|Ace Trainer|Cooltrainer}}
|}

===Generation IV===
{{main|The Underground}}
[[File:Sinnoh Secret Base.png|thumb|200px|A Secret Base in the Underground]]
Unlike in Generation III, the Secret Bases in Generation IV are found in the Underground, and instead of NPCs being used to represent other players, the other players can be encountered face-to-face using DS Wireless Communication. In addition, all Secret Bases in Generation IV are all the same shape and size, unlike Generation III bases which can vary in size and shape.

Secret Bases are dug by using a [[Digger Drill]] while facing a wall. Initially, there are many Big Boulders in the base. As more flags are obtained, boulders can be removed. Initially, only 10 [[goods]] can be placed in a Secret Base, but as the flag is upgraded, the limit increases to 15.

Players cannot battle each other for money underground. However, if a player enters another's Secret Base while they are not decorating (as that requires the entrance be closed), they can attempt to steal their flag and take it to their own Secret Base for rewards, from decorations to a {{ga|Trainer Card}} [[Trainer star|star]].

===Generation VI===
[[File:ORAS Prerelease Secret Base empty.png|thumb|A Secret Base in Generation VI]]
Secret Bases return in {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|s}} as '''Super-Secret Bases''' (Japanese: '''スーパーひみつきち''' ''Super Secret Base''). To make a Secret Base, the player can use {{m|Secret Power}} ([[TM94]]) on a Secret Spot. If the player already has an established Secret Base, they will be asked if they want to relocate to the new spot.

A Secret Base can be decorated using [[decoration]]s the player has bought or received, it can be filled with Secret Pals, and its rank can be upgraded by capturing flags from the Secret Bases of other players.

Other players' bases may be imported into the player's game by [[StreetPass]]ing players (on the [[Player Search System|PSS]] or local Wi-Fi) or by scanning a QR Code on the Secret PC in the player's base. A player can create a QR Code for their base at the Secret PC, where it will be saved to an SD card, or by [[Game Sync|syncing]] their game to the [[Pokémon Global Link]], where the QR Code can be viewed on the player's Profile. However, QR Codes cannot be successfully scanned using the same 3DS they were produced from.

A player's appearance as the owner of their Secret Base in another player's game will match the Public Icon on their [[Player Search System|PSS]] Profile. This can either be changed directly in the PSS, or indirectly by talking to a man in a suit in the [[Rustboro City]] Pokémon Center, to a {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}} at the Secret Base Guild Headquarters in [[Fortree City]], or—prior to obtaining the {{DL|PokéNav Plus|PlayNav}}—to a man in the [[Petalburg City]] Pokémon Center. This influences their team if they are battled as a {{tc|Secret Base Trainer}} Grunt and the special skills they can perform as a Secret Pal.

====Daily events====
Certain events at the player's base or other players' bases are limited to once a day.

At the player's base:
* Battle Secret Pals
* Ask Secret Pals to perform a skill
** Secret Pals may use two skills if the base has reached the Platinum Rank
At other players' bases:
* Receive a welcome gift (decoration) from the base's owner
* Battle the base's owner or {{tc|Secret Base Trainer}} Grunts
* Capture the base's flag

When a normal QR Code is scanned, no daily events will be possible with the scanned base or with its owner until the next day. The exception is QR Codes for the special [[Mossdeep City]] Secret Base. Daily events in bases scanned for Mossdeep are possible immediately after the base is scanned in; however, the daily events for all bases in Mossdeep City are persistent. That is, the game remembers which daily events have been done for the Mossdeep Secret Base, for its owner, or for its grunts and only allows each different event to be done once per day, even if the base changes.

====Decorating====
{{main|Decoration#Super-Secret Base|Decoration → Super-Secret Base}}
The Secret Base can be decorated with various decorations using the Secret PC. In addition to positioning decorations, the player may also alter the positions of their Secret Pals and their own position (for when other players visit the player's Secret Base). Only the base's Secret PC, flag, and the square mat they sit on cannot be moved. Up to 25 decorations may be placed in the base (including the five Welcome Mats that are set out by default for Secret Pals, but which may be put away if they are unused).

====Rank====
The player's Secret Base rank depends on the number of flags they have captured. The Secret Base rank can only be increased by speaking to [[Aarune]] at the Secret Base Guild in [[Fortree City]] after capturing the required number of flags. The Secret Base rank limits how many special skills Secret Pals can use and influences which items are available for sale at the Secret Base Guild's shops.

{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}; margin: auto"
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Rank
! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Flags required
|- style="background: #fff"
| Normal
| —
|- style="background: #fff"
| Bronze
| 30
|- style="background: #fff"
| Silver
| 100
|- style="background: #fff"
| Gold
| 500
|-
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | Platinum
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | 1,000
|}

====Secret Base Trainers====
{{main|Secret Base Trainer (Trainer class)}}
The owner of a Secret Base uses the Trainer class "Secret Base Trainer" and they use three of their own Pokémon to battle when challenged, with the level of their Pokémon limited by the number of [[Badge]]s the player has (unless a [[Decoration|Level Release]] is activated). When a base owner is recruited and battled as a Secret Pal, they will also use the same team.

When the player visits another player's Secret Base, that player's Secret Pals will not use their original teams. Instead, they will use a preset team based on their representative Trainer class (which also matches that Trainer's Public Icon on the PSS). They are also only identified as a "Secret Base Trainer Grunt".

After a battle with any Secret Base Trainer, the player will be healed.

====Secret Pals====
Secret Pals are owners of other Secret Bases in the player's game that the player has recruited into their own Secret Base. Once a day, a Secret Pal may be battled (regardless of whether they were battled at their base) or asked to perform a special skill. If the player's base has reached the Platinum Rank, Secret Pals may use a skill twice a day. Occasionally, a Secret Pal will also gift the player with a number of flags they have collected (ranging from 1 to 30) the first time the player speaks to them.

=====Special skills=====
The special skills a Secret Pal can perform depends on the {{DL|Pokémon Trainer|Trainer class}} they are represented as (which also matches that Trainer's Public Icon on the PSS), and, depending on the rank of the player's base, they know between one and four different skills.
{| class="roundy sortable" style="text-align: center; background: #{{hoenn color}}; border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 10px"
! colspan=2 style="background-color: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Secret Pal appearance
! rowspan=2 style="background-color: #{{green color light}}" | Normal
! rowspan=2 style="background-color: #{{bronze color light}}" | Bronze
! rowspan=2 style="background-color: #{{silver color light}}" | Silver
! rowspan=2 style="background-color: #{{gold color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Gold
|-
! style="background-color: #{{hoenn color light}}" | Male
! style="background-color: #{{hoenn color light}}" | Female
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{tc|Hiker}} || {{tc|Aroma Lady}} || Massage a Pokémon || Make some goods || Pick something up || Take care of an Egg
|- style="background: #fff"
| colspan=2 | {{tc|Schoolkid}} || style="display:none" | Schoolkid || Make some goods || Pick something up || Pick up stones || Gather Berries
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{tc|Black Belt}} || {{tc|Battle Girl}} || Do some training || Massage a Pokémon || Make some goods || Do some exercise
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{tc|Poké Maniac}} || {{tc|Fairy Tale Girl}} || Make some goods || Tell my fortune || Pick up stones || Search for treasure
|- style="background: #fff"
| colspan=2 | {{tc|Poké Fan}} || style="display:none" | Poké Fan || Massage a Pokémon || Gather Berries || Take care of an Egg || Make some goods
|- style="background: #fff"
| colspan=2 | {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}} || style="display:none" | Pokémon Ranger || Gather Berries || Pick up stones || Make some goods || Do some exercise
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{tc|Swimmer}} ♂ || {{tc|Hex Maniac}} || Make some goods || Pick something up || Tell my fortune || Search for treasure
|- style="background: #fff"
| colspan=2 | {{tc|Ace Trainer}} || style="display:none" | Ace Trainer || Do some exercise || Make some goods || Do some training || Take care of an Egg
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{tc|Street Thug}} || {{tc|Delinquent}} || Make some goods || Search for treasure || Pick up stones || Do some training
|- style="background: #fff"
| colspan=2 | {{tc|Expert}} || style="display:none" | Expert || Do some training || Massage a Pokémon || Do some exercise || Make some goods
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{tc|Rich Boy}} || {{tc|Lady}} || Make some goods || Search for treasure || Pick up stones || Massage a Pokémon
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{tc|Ninja Boy}} || {{tc|Beauty}} || Make some goods || Pick up stones || Gather Berries || Pick something up
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{tc|Guitarist}} || {{tc|Lass}} || Make some goods || Pick something up || Tell my fortune || Search for treasure
|- style="background: #fff"
| colspan=2 | {{tc|Pokémon Breeder}} || style="display:none" | Pokémon Breeder || Massage a Pokémon || Do some exercise || Take care of an Egg || Make some goods
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{tc|Camper}} || {{tc|Picnicker}} || Gather Berries || Make some goods || Pick something up || Search for treasure
|-
! colspan="6" style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |
|}

* '''Do some exercise''': increases the [[effort values]] for a chosen stat on a chosen Pokémon in the player's party by 30.
* '''Do some training''': increases the [[level]] of a chosen Pokémon in the player's party by 1.
** When leveling up in this manner, no moves will be learned and evolution will not occur.
* '''Gather Berries''': the player receives a Berry.
** {{bag2|Cheri Berry}}, {{bag2|Chesto Berry}}, {{bag2|Pecha Berry}}, {{bag2|Rawst Berry}}, {{bag2|Aspear Berry}}, {{bag2|Leppa Berry}}, {{bag2|Persim Berry}}, {{bag2|Lum Berry}}, {{bag2|Sitrus Berry}}, {{bag2|Liechi Berry}}, {{bag2|Ganlon Berry}}, {{bag2|Salac Berry}}, {{bag2|Petaya Berry}}, {{bag2|Apicot Berry}}, {{bag2|Kee Berry}}, {{bag2|Maranga Berry}}
** In aggregate, the first nine Berries listed above (through Sitrus) appear approximately 80% of the time, while the rarer seven appear approximately 20% of the time. Individually, the more common nine generally appear at least twice as often as the rarer seven.
* '''Make some goods''': the player receives a [[decoration]].
** Refer to {{DL|Decoration|Super-Secret Base|Decoration → Super-Secret Base}} for a list of receivable decorations.
* '''Massage a Pokemon''': increases the [[friendship]] of a chosen Pokémon in the player's party by 30.
* '''Pick something up''': the player receives a miscellaneous item.
** {{bag2|Escape Rope}}, {{bag|Elixir}} {{DL|Ether|Elixir}}, {{bag|Full Restore}} {{DL|Potion|Full Restore}}, {{bag|Heart Scale}} {{DL|Exchangeable item|Heart Scale}}, {{bag|Master Ball}} {{ball|Master}}, {{bag|Max Revive}} {{DL|Revive|Max Revive}}, {{bag|PP Max}} {{DL|Vitamin|PP Max}}, {{bag|PP Up}} {{DL|Vitamin|PP Up}}, {{bag|Rare Candy}} {{DL|Vitamin|Rare Candy}}, {{bag|Revive}} {{DL|Revive|Revive}}, {{bag|Ultra Ball}} {{ball|Ultra}}
** Escape Rope and Ultra Ball together have approximately a 50% chance of appearing, with Escape Rope twice as common as Ultra Ball. Of the rest, Master Ball and PP Max are among the rarest.
* '''Pick up stones''': the player receives an [[evolutionary stone]].
** {{bag|Dawn Stone}} {{evostone|Dawn Stone}}, {{bag|Dusk Stone}} {{evostone|Dusk Stone}}, {{bag|Everstone}} {{DL|Out-of-battle effect item|Everstone}}, {{bag|Fire Stone}} {{evostone|Fire Stone}}, {{bag|Leaf Stone}} {{evostone|Leaf Stone}}, {{bag|Moon Stone}} {{evostone|Moon Stone}}, {{bag|Shiny Stone}} {{evostone|Shiny Stone}}, {{bag|Sun Stone}} {{evostone|Sun Stone}}, {{bag|Thunder Stone}} {{evostone|Thunder Stone}}, {{bag|Water Stone}} {{evostone|Water Stone}}
** Everstone is the most common result, appearing approximately 50% of the time. The elemental stones (Fire, Leaf, Thunder, and Water) are the next most common, followed by all of the remaining stones.
* '''Search for treasure''': the player receives an item, usually a [[valuable item]].
** {{bag|Big Nugget}} {{DL|Valuable item|Big Nugget}}, {{bag|Big Pearl}} {{DL|Valuable item|Big Pearl}}, {{bag|Comet Shard}} {{DL|Valuable item|Comet Shard}}, {{bag|Float Stone}} {{DL|In-battle effect item|Float Stone}}, {{bag|Nugget}} {{DL|Valuable item|Nugget}}, {{bag|Pearl}} {{DL|Valuable item|Pearl}}, {{bag|Pearl String}} {{DL|Valuable item|Pearl String}}, {{bag|Rare Bone}} {{DL|Valuable item|Rare Bone}}
** Float Stone appears the most commonly, at approximately a 30% chance.
* '''Take care of an Egg''': decreases the [[Egg cycles|Egg cycle]] count of a chosen {{pkmn|Egg}} in the player's party by half of its species' base Egg cycle value (rounded up).
* '''Tell my fortune''': the player receives a MAX-strength [[O-Power]]
** Bargain Power MAX, Capture Power MAX, Full Recovery Power, Prize Money Power MAX
** All of the powers appear at approximately even rates.

====Secret Spots====
There are 82 Secret Spots where the player can establish a Secret Base, and an 83rd spot in [[Mossdeep City]] reserved for Secret Bases from special QR codes. There can only be about 30 secret bases in a game at the same time, with any additional bases causing the deletion of older bases.


{| class="roundy sortable" style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}; margin: auto"
|-
! style="background-color: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" colspan=2 | Location
! style="background-color: #{{hoenn color light}}" | Layout
! style="background-color: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Description
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Mossdeep City]]
| In the house south of the Poké Mart
| ''Variable''
| In a certain house in Mossdeep there is a door that will not open, beyond which lies a super-secret Secret Base.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|110 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 110 1.png|200px]]
| South of Cycling Road's northern entrance; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| Diagonal A
| A Secret Base above a tree growing on an islet with a chic sign.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|111 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 111 1.png|200px]]
| In the northeastern corner of the desert
|}
| Square A
| A Secret Base positioned in a tucked-away corner of a large desert.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|111 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 111 2.png|200px]]
| West from the northeastern corner of the desert
|}
| Wide A
| A Secret Base in a romantic cave from which sandstorms may be admired.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|111 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 111 3.png|200px]]
| In the north of the desert, up a dirt slope and to the east; requires the {{DL|Bicycle|Mach Bike}}
|}
| 2-level A
| A Secret Base in a cave that’s popular with sand maniacs for its panoramic desert views.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|111 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 111 4.png|200px]]
| In the north of the desert, up a dirt slope and at the far east; requires the {{DL|Bicycle|Mach Bike}}
|}
| Split
| A Secret Base in a cave where clouds of dust come blowing in from the desert and sting your eyes.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|111 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 111 5.png|200px]]
| In the north section of the route
|}
| Wide A
| A Secret Base above a tree that can truly be called regal and is standing nonchalantly along the road.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|111 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 111 6.png|200px]]
| In the northeastern-most corner of the north section of the route, up a dirt slope; requires the {{DL|Bicycle|Mach Bike}}
|}
| Split
| A Secret Base in a cave just for Bike enthusiasts that can’t be reached without a Mach Bike.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|113 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 113 1.png|200px]]
| By {{tc|Parasol Lady}} Madeline
|}
| Tall A
| A Secret Base in a cave where the scenery and your mood will turn gray thanks to the piles of volcanic ash.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|114 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 114 1.png|200px]]
| In the southeast of the lake; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| Diagonal A
| A Secret Base above a tree on a very suspicious-looking islet floating all alone in a lake.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|114 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 114 2.png|200px]]
| Just up the stairs to the cliffs, northwest of {{tc|Poké Maniac}} Steve
|}
| Divided A
| A Secret Base in an exceedingly natural cave hiding casually between cliffs.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|114 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 114 3.png|200px]]
| In the northwest of the cliffs, northwest of {{tc|Kindler}} Bernie; requires {{m|Rock Smash}}
|}
| 2-level A
| A Secret Base in a cave fortified by rocks that block the way.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|114 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 114 4.png|200px]]
| In the northwest of the cliffs, northeast of {{tc|Kindler}} Bernie
|}
| Divided B
| A Secret Base in a cave so extremely ordinary that it needs no explanation at all.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|114 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 114 5.png|200px]]
| Southeast of the entrance to [[Meteor Falls]]
|}
| Square B
| A Secret Base in a cave that is said to have been formed by a crater where you can feel the cosmos.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|114 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 114 6.png|200px]]
| Right by the entrance to [[Meteor Falls]]; requires {{m|Rock Smash}}
|}
| Split
| A Secret Base in a cave that is rumored to connect to Meteor Falls.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|115 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 115 1.png|200px]]
| Right by the entrance to [[Meteor Falls]]
|}
| Winding
| A Secret Base in a humid cave that is said to be a part of Meteor Falls.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|115 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 115 2.png|200px]]
| On the northernmost part of the beach, west of the stairs; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| Divided C
| A Secret Base in a cave where you can get your thrills and that seems like it would sink at high tide.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|115 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 115 3.png|200px]]
| In the northernmost part of the route, up the stairs from the beach and along the west branch of the path; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| Wide B
| A Secret Base above a tree, tucked away off Route 115 where the sea breeze feels great.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|115 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 115 4.png|200px]]
| In the northernmost part of the route, east of the stairs to the cliffs; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| 2-room A
| A Secret Base in a cave that’s said to have been a dwelling for people long ago.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|115 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 115 5.png|200px]]
| In the northernmost part of the route, southeast of the stairs to the cliffs; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| 2-level B
| A Secret Base in a cave that’s said to have long ago been the den of Pokémon that lived with people.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|115 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 115 6.png|200px]]
| In the northernmost part of the route, at the end of the path up the dirt slope northeast of the stairs to the cliffs; requires {{m|Surf}} and the {{DL|Bicycle|Mach Bike}}
|}
| 2-room B
| A Secret Base in a cave that’s said to have been lived in by a chief from a village long ago.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|116 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 116 1.png|200px]]
| Up both sets of stairs east of the [[Rustboro City|Rustboro]]-side entrance to [[Rusturf Tunnel]]
|}
| Square A
| A Secret Base in a cave that’s connected to Rusturf Tunnel. It stays cool regardless of the season.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|116 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 116 2.png|200px]]
| Southeast of the [[Rustboro City|Rustboro]]-side entrance to [[Rusturf Tunnel]]
|}
| Divided B
| A Secret Base in a cave that people can’t usually find because it’s hiding out in the open.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|116 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 116 3.png|200px]]
| Through the [[Rusturf Tunnel]] exit southeast of the [[Verdanturf Town]] exit, up both sets of stairs
|}
| 2-level A
| A Secret Base in a cave in the hills just beyond Rusturf Tunnel with a most amazing view.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|116 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 116 4.png|200px]]
| Through the [[Rusturf Tunnel]] exit southeast of the [[Verdanturf Town]] exit, on the east
|}
| Diagonal A
| A Secret Base in a cave that’s a little exciting because it seems like a man who lost his glasses might find it.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|117|Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 117 1.png|200px]]
| Due west of [[Mauville City]]
|}
| Tall B
| A Secret Base above a tree right in the middle of the route, as if it weren’t a secret at all.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|118 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 118 1.png|200px]]
| In the northeast of the west side of the route
|}
| Diagonal B
| A Secret Base in a cave that’s in danger of being found by the Guitarist on the big rock by the inlet.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|118 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 118 2.png|200px]]
| In the northwest of the east side of the route
|}
| Square B
| A Secret Base in a cave that’s in danger of being found by the Fisherman on the big rock by the inlet.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|118 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 118 3.png|200px]]
| In the southeastern part of the beach on the east side of the route
|}
| Split
| A Secret Base in a cave by the big rock by the inlet that’s relatively difficult to find.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|118 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 118 4.png|200px]]
| On the east side of the route, north of the east end of the beach, above the ledge
|}
| Wide A
| A Secret Base above a tree where you can watch the growth of trees with dangerous thorns.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|118 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 118 5.png|200px]]
| East of the tall grass to the east of the entrance to {{rt|119|Hoenn}}
|}
| 2-level C
| A Secret Base in the cave surrounded by grass that stands out the least on Route 118.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|119 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 119 1.png|200px]]
| In the northeastern-most part of the route, near the entrance to [[Fortree City]]
|}
| Square C
| A Secret Base in a bush next to soft soil that gardeners can’t get enough of.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|119 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 119 2.png|200px]]
| On the south bank of the southeast bend in the middle level of the river, past the long grass; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| Divided C
| A Secret Base in a bush over the river and through the tall grass that’s popular for being hard to find.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|119 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 119 3.png|200px]]
| At the southern end of the middle level of the river, on the west bank; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| Wide B
| A Secret Base above a tree by a river that’s big with connoisseurs along Route 119.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|119 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 119 4.png|200px]]
| At the northern end of the middle level of the river, on the west bank; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| 2-room B
| A Secret Base in a quietly refined cave where the sound of a waterfall soaks into your body.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|119 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 119 5.png|200px]]
| Up the waterfall by the Weather Institute, in the northwest across two sets of bike rails; requires {{m|Surf}}, {{m|Waterfall}}, and the {{DL|Bicycle|Acro Bike}}
|}
| 3-room
| A Secret Base in a bush that the nearby Bird Keeper knows about even though it’s in an out-of-the-way place.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|119 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 119 6.png|200px]]
| Up the waterfall by the Weather Institute, in the southwest across three sets of bike rails; requires requires {{m|Surf}}, {{m|Waterfall}}, and the {{DL|Bicycle|Acro Bike}}
|}
| 2-room A
| A Secret Base in a bush at the end of a railing bridge. An Acro Bike is needed to reach it.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|119 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 119 7.png|200px]]
| West of the top of the stairs on the northwest bank of the lowest level of the river; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| Square B
| A Secret Base in a bush that’s a little itchy and surrounded by long grass.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|119 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 119 8.png|200px]]
| In the northeast of the area directly under the southern bridge on the west side of the river, accessed by the bike rails over the river; requires the {{DL|Bicycle|Acro Bike}}
|}
| 3-room
| A Secret Base in a cave that can be seen from a long bridge but takes a long time to reach.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|119 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 119 9.png|200px]]
| In the north of the area directly under the southern bridge on the east side of the river
|}
| Diagonal A
| A Secret Base in a cave where you can kill time by watching people cross a long bridge.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|119 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 119 10.png|200px]]
| In the west of the area directly under the southern bridge on the west side of the river, accessed by the bike rails over the river; requires the {{DL|Bicycle|Acro Bike}}
|}
| 2-room C
| A Secret Base in a bush with a slimy floor due to being in a place with a lot of rain.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|120 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 120 1.png|200px]]
| At the bottom of the stairs down to the northern lake
|}
| Tall B
| A Secret Base in a cave that’s apparently sometimes visited by people who mistake it for Scorched Slab.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|120 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 120 2.png|200px]]
| East of the top of the stairs to the northern lake
|}
| Square C
| A Secret Base in a bush surrounded by tall grass where you can see Pokémon often.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|120 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 120 3.png|200px]]
| By the [[soft soil]] to the east of the northern lake; requires {{m|Cut}}
|}
| Square B
| A Secret Base in a bush in a small open area beyond a thorny tree.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|120 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 120 4.png|200px]]
| In the northeast part of the long grass maze in the middle of the route
|}
| Diagonal A
| A Secret Base in a bush deep in the long grass that’s perfect to hide out in.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|120 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 120 5.png|200px]]
| At the north end of the southeastern lake; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| Winding
| A Secret Base in a cave that boasts of a view of a clear lake right before your eyes.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|120 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 120 6.png|200px]]
| In the southeast end of the route, north of the sign
|}
| Divided A
| A Secret Base in a bush that stinks of grass from being covered in long grass.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|120 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 120 7.png|200px]]
| On the north side of the southwestern lake
|}
| Tall A
| A Secret Base in a bush next to soft soil and a pond where gardening and fishing are enjoyed.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|120 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 120 8.png|200px]]
| Northeast of the [[Ancient Tomb]] (on the plateau on the west side of the route)
|}
| Wide A
| A Secret Base above a tree where the unusual aura from nearby mysterious ruins hangs thick in the air.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|121 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 121 1.png|200px]]
| At the end of the path west of the pier; requires {{m|Cut}}
|}
| Tall B
| A Secret Base in a cave blocked by a thorny tree and positioned along the water’s edge.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|121 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 121 2.png|200px]]
| Just east of the {{Ho|Safari Zone}} entrance
|}
| Tall B
| A Secret Base above a tree next to the Safari Zone where the smells of Pokémon sometimes come wafting over.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|121 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 121 3.png|200px]]
| On the north side of the tall grass just east of the pier
|}
| 2-level A
| A Secret Base in a cave near some stairs, so the footsteps of passersby are noisy.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|123 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 123 1.png|200px]]
| Following the northmost possible path from east to west across the route, down three ledges and north of a female {{tc|Ace Trainer}}; requires {{m|Surf}} and {{m|Cut}}
|}
| Divided B
| A Secret Base in a cave that doesn’t leave much of an impression on a route with a gentle slope.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|123 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 123 2.png|200px]]
| Following the northmost possible path from east to west across the route, down five ledges and on the east side of the 123 Go Fish shop; requires {{m|Surf}} and {{m|Cut}}
|}
| 2-level C
| A Secret Base in a cave dedicated to Fishermen with outstanding access to 123 Go Fish.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|123 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 123 3.png|200px]]
| East of the [[Berry Master#Hoenn|Berry Master]]'s house
|}
| Tall B
| A Secret Base above a tree that gardeners long for due to its outstanding access to the Berry fields.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|125 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 125 1.png|200px]]
| On the southernmost island in the route; requires {{m|Surf}} or {{m|Fly}} (to Route 125)
|}
| 2-level B
| A Secret Base in a cave positioned on a small beach where the winds blow in from the sea.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|125 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 125 2.png|200px]]
| On the sandbar in the northwest of the route; requires {{m|Surf}} or {{m|Fly}} (to [[Shoal Cave]])
|}
| Wide B
| A Secret Base in a cave next to Shoal Cave, making it great for hunting for salt and seashells.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|125 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 125 3.png|200px]]
| The west of the two spots on the island in the northeast of the route; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| Winding
| A Secret Base in a cave made in what would be the little brother of what everyone calls twin rocks.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|125 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 125 4.png|200px]]
| The east of the two spots on the island in the northeast of the route; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| 2-room B
| A Secret Base in a cave made in what would be the big brother of what everyone calls twin rocks.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|126|Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 126 1.png|200px]]
| In the north of the isolated area on the west of the route, accessed by surfacing from the western Dive spot in the main underwater area; requires {{m|Surf}} and {{m|Dive}}
|}
| 3-room
| A Secret Base in a cave that can’t be reached without using Dive, even though it looks like you could Surf there.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|126|Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 126 2.png|200px]]
| In the far northwest of the route, accessed by surfacing from the northern Dive spot in the main underwater area and following the subsequent path to its end; requires {{m|Surf}} and {{m|Dive}}
|}
| Divided C
| A Secret Base in a cave that’s high level of secrecy stops it from being found just by using Surf as usual.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|127 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 127 1.png|200px]]
| In the northeast of the route, in the southwest of the sandbar on the east branch of the route coming south from [[Mossdeep City]]; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| Wide B
| A Secret Base in a cave you cannot relax in because it’s always surrounded by Fishermen.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|127 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 127 2.png|200px]]
| In the northeast of the route, in the northeast of the sandbar on the east branch of the route coming south from [[Mossdeep City]]; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| 2-level B
| A Secret Base in a cave fated to disappear as it continues to be eroded by the waves.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|127 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 127 3.png|200px]]
| On the west side of the area in the southeast corner of the route; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| Winding
| A Secret Base in a cave that still shows traces of having been the den of Water-type Pokémon long ago.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|127 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 127 4.png|200px]]
| In the middle of the area in the southeast corner of the route; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| 2-level B
| A Secret Base in a cave said to have been the hideout for a robber being pursued by the International Police.
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{rt|127 |Hoenn}}
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Route 127 5.png|200px]]
| In the northeast of the area in the southeast corner of the route; requires {{m|Surf}}
|}
| Divided C
| A Secret Base in a cave where the International Police held a stakeout to catch a robber.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Rusturf Tunnel]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Rusturf Tunnel.png|200px]]
| North of the tunnel's [[Verdanturf Town]] exit
|}
| 2-level C
| A Secret Base in a cave where you can’t fall asleep at night because of the wild Whismur going berserk every night.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Granite Cave]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Granite Cave.png|200px]]
| On B1F, in the north, up the first dirt slope in the room and then up the dirt slope to the northwest and immediately after descending the next dirt slope; requires the {{DL|Bicycle|Mach Bike}}
|}
| 2-room A
| A Secret Base in a cave in a dark cellar that’s popular with women who dislike getting a suntan.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Jagged Pass]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Jagged Pass.png|200px]]
| On the west side of the route, up a dirt slope or set of stepping stones west of the third northmost patch of [[tall grass]]; requires the {{DL|Bicycle|Acro Bike}} or {{DL|Bicycle|Mach Bike}}
|}
| 2-room A
| A Secret Base in a cave with an extremely comfortable interior despite it being on a dangerous path by a cliff.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Fiery Path]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Fiery Path.png|200px]]
| On the west side of the tunnel beyond the Strength rock and to the north; requires {{m|Strength}}
|}
| 3-room
| A Secret Base in a cave that you can expect to have the same effects as a sauna due to the hot location.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Secret Shore]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Secret Shore No 301.png|200px]]
| To the west of the Secret Shore's entrance
|}
| Diagonal B
| A Secret Base in a cave commonly referred to as No. 301 due to the housing-development-like structure of the plot.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Secret Shore]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Secret Shore No 302.png|200px]]
| Up the first set of stairs to the southeast of the Secret Shore's entrance
|}
| Divided B
| A Secret Base in a cave commonly referred to as No. 302 due to the housing-development-like structure of the plot.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Secret Shore]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Secret Shore No 401.png|200px]]
| Up two sets of stairs to the southeast of the Secret Shore's entrance
|}
| 2-level C
| A Secret Base in a cave commonly referred to as No. 401 due to the housing-development-like structure of the plot.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Secret Shore]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Secret Shore No 303.png|200px]]
| In the southeast corner of the Secret Shore
|}
| Divided A
| A Secret Base in a cave commonly referred to as No. 303 due to the housing-development-like structure of the plot.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Secret Shore]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Secret Shore No 101.png|200px]]
| West of the stairs to the southwest of the Secret Shore's entrance
|}
| Tall A
| A Secret Base in a cave commonly referred to as No. 101 due to the housing-development-like structure of the plot.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Secret Shore]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Secret Shore No 201.png|200px]]
| South of the stairs to the southwest of the Secret Shore's entrance
|}
| Square A
| A Secret Base in a cave commonly referred to as No. 201 due to the housing-development-like structure of the plot.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Secret Meadow]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Secret Meadow No 101.png|200px]]
| Directly north of the Secret Meadow's entrance on the ground level
|}
| Wide A
| A Secret Base in a cave commonly referred to as No. 101 due to the apartment-like structure of the plot.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Secret Meadow]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Secret Meadow No 102.png|200px]]
| Northwest of the Secret Meadow's entrance, on the ground level
|}
| Divided A
| A Secret Base in a cave commonly referred to as No. 102 due to the apartment-like structure of the plot.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Secret Meadow]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Secret Meadow No 201.png|200px]]
| Up the stairs on the east side of the Secret Meadow's entrance
|}
| Tall A
| A Secret Base in a cave commonly referred to as No. 201 due to the apartment-like structure of the plot.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Secret Meadow]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Secret Meadow No 301.png|200px]]
| Up the stairs to the northwest of the Secret Meadow's entrance
|}
| Diagonal B
| A Secret Base in a cave commonly referred to as No. 301 due to the apartment-like structure of the plot.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Secret Meadow]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Secret Meadow No 202.png|200px]]
| At the top of the stairs directly north of the Secret Meadow's entrance
|}
| 2-level C
| A Secret Base in a cave commonly referred to as No. 202 due to the apartment-like structure of the plot.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Secret Meadow]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Secret Meadow No 401.png|200px]]
| Up the stairs starting directly north of the Secret Meadow's entrance, in the northeast corner of the area
|}
| Divided B
| A Secret Base in a cave commonly referred to as No. 401 due to the apartment-like structure of the plot.
|- style="background: #fff"
| [[Secret Islet]]
|
{|
| [[File:Secret Spot Secret Islet.png|200px]]
| In the middle of the islet
|}
| Wide A
| A Secret Base above a tree that feels too much like a resort to call it a Secret Base.
|-
! colspan="3" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |
|}

====Layouts====
{{incomplete|section|Images of each layout}} 
In general, layouts for Secret Bases are not restricted to a given type of base (such as blue caves or trees), but some layouts do only occur in one type, such as the Square C layout, which is only in shrub bases.
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}; margin: auto"
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Layout type
! style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Description
|- style="background: #fff"
| 2-level
| This layout has two levels, but a Stairs [[Decoration]] is required to access the top level. The entrance, Secret PC, and flag are all in the bottom level.
|- style="background: #fff"
| 2-room
| This layout has two large areas in the north and south, but a Solid Board decoration is required to access the north area. The entrance, Secret PC, and flag are all in the south area.
|- style="background: #fff"
| 3-room
| This layout has three large areas approximately in a Y shape, but a Solid Board decoration is required to access either of the northern areas. The entrance, Secret PC, and flag are all in the south area.
|- style="background: #fff"
| Diagonal
| This layout has a large area at the entrance and a large area to the northeast or northwest, with the base narrowing slightly between the two areas.
|- style="background: #fff"
| Divided
| This layout has a large area separated from the entrance by a narrow passage. In the Divided B and C layouts, the entrance area is also a large area. The Divided B layout is divided into north and south areas, while A and C have east and west areas.
|- style="background: #fff"
| Split
| In this layout, the entrance passage leads north and then branches to two large areas to either side of the entrance.
|- style="background: #fff"
| Square
| This layout has one simple area, with dimensions that are roughly square.
|- style="background: #fff"
| Tall
| This layout has one simple area, significantly taller than it is wide.
|- style="background: #fff"
| Wide
| This layout has one simple area, significantly wider than it is tall.
|- style="background: #fff"
| Winding
| This layout has two large areas in the north and south, but they are connected by a narrow, twisting passageway.
|-
! colspan="2" style="background:#{{hoenn color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |
|}
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{| class="roundy expandable" style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}; margin:auto" width="800px"
|-
! colspan="4" style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}; font-size: 120%" width="20%" | 2-level
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}; margin:auto" width="800px"
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundyleft|5px}}; font-size: 120%" width="20%" | Layout A
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base 22 ORAS.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Brown cave
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base 23 ORAS.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Red cave
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base 24 ORAS.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Blue cave
|}
| width="20%" |
 
|}
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}; margin:auto" width="800px"
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundyleft|5px}}; font-size: 120%" width="20%" | Layout B
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base 41 ORAS.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Red cave
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base 42 ORAS.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Yellow cave
|}
| width="20%" |
 
| width="20%" |
 
|}
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{hoenn color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{hoenn color dark}}; margin:auto" width="800px"
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundyleft|5px}}; font-size: 120%" width="20%" | Layout C
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base 12 ORAS.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Brown cave
|}
| width="20%" |
{|
|-
| [[File:Hoenn Secret Base 13 ORAS.png|150px]]
|-
! style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; {{roundybottom|15px}}" | Blue cave
|}
| width="20%" |
 
| width="20%" |
 
|}
|}

==In the anime==
[[File:Secret Base anime.png|200px|thumb|Keanu's Secret Base in the anime]]
Secret Bases first appeared in ''[[AG027|A Three Team Scheme]]''. While staying in [[Dewford Town]], {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}} stumbled across [[Keanu]]'s Secret Base, which he had created with the help of his {{p|Nincada}}. Later in the episode, {{TRT}} also found the Secret Base and stole Keanu's Pokémon, which Ash and his friends helped him to get back.

Team Rocket also had their own Secret Base in ''[[AG071|A Six Pack Attack!]]''. By the end of the episode, it was completely destroyed, greatly displeasing {{an|Giovanni}} when he was [[AG079|later]] informed of the incident.
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==In the manga==
[[File:Sapphire Secret Base Adventures.png|thumb|200px|Sapphire's Secret Base in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{adv|Sapphire}} has a Secret Base at {{rt|101|Hoenn}}, which she uses to observe Pokémon in order to help [[Professor Birch|her father]] with his research. After saving {{adv|Ruby}} from two {{p|Mightyena}}, she brought him to her Base. There the two arranged a bet and decide to meet in the Base after 80 days when Sapphire has gathered all the [[Badge]]s and Ruby has gathered all the {{pkmn|Contest}} [[Ribbon]]s in the Hoenn region. At first, the Secret Base was a barren cave, but Ruby decorated it while waiting for Sapphire on the day of the deadline.

In the {{chap|Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire}}, it was revealed that {{adv|Wally}} had built himself his own Secret Base at {{rt|120|Hoenn}} with the help of [[Aarune]]. After Sapphire was defeated by [[Zinnia]], Aarune found her and took her to Wally's Base to recover. She was later located there by Ruby and {{adv|Emerald}} through {{p|Hoopa}}'s ring.
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==Trivia==
* In [[the Underground]], it is possible for a {{DL|The Underground|mining}} spot to spawn on the same spot as the player's Secret Base.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{hoenn color light}}|bordercolor={{hoenn color dark}}
|nl=Geheime basis
|fi=Salainen tukikohta
|fr=Base Secrète
|de=Geheimbasis
|es=Base Secreta
|ko=비밀기지 ''Secret Base''
|it=Base Segreta
|ru=Секрет баз ''Sekret baz''
}}

==See also==
*{{m|Secret Power}}
*[[Decoration]]
*[[The Underground]]
*[[Digger Drill]]
*[[Villa]] - A maison the player owns in [[Pokémon Platinum Version|Pokémon Platinum]] where the player can freely decorate. It can be visited by many NPC characters.
*[[Join Avenue]] - A building the player owns in [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2]] where the player can freely decorate and arrange stalls. It can be visited by Gym Leaders.
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