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Talk:Elio (game)

2018-01-05T15:50:24Z

Toolen: /* Move and split */

==Move?==
Should this be moved to something like {{redlink|Sun (player character)}}? Sun (game) makes it sound like it's about the game, not the character from the game.
The series' tendency to name its main characters the same as its games is a little bit bothersome, at times.
[[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 02:24, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
:On second thought, never mind. This follows the same pattern as articles like [[Blue (game)]] and [[Gold (game)]] (the latter a redirect to [[Ethan (game)]]).[[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 02:26, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
::If I'm remembering correctly, it used to be "game character", but was shortened for simplicity. It is a little confusing, though. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 02:29, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
:::I agree that it's a little confusing, but it seems to be the best option we have at the moment. The same-name notice at the top of the article should be sufficient enough to direct visitors to the correct place. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 02:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

== Kai ==

Just wanted to point out that "Kai" is also a possible reading of "海" (sea/ocean), such as in "pirate" (海賊 ''kaizoku'') or "sea king" (海王 ''kaiō''). [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 14:41, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

== Age ==

In the Aether Paradise, it is revealed that the player character is "around 11 years old." Thought I'd mention it first instead of just adding it. [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|'''''Kyurem's''''']] [[User talk:KyuremsIceBlade|'''''Ice''''']] [[Special:Contributions/KyuremsIceBlade|'''''Blade''''']] 03:33, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

== Hometown ==

Sun is the only player character to not have a hometown, living in a route instead for the fist time in a core series game in the pokémon franchise.--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 20:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

== Kai and Lana ==

If there is internal data in the games that calls the player characters of S/M Kai and Lana, then why on Earth aren't we calling them that? That's what we do for the female PC of FR/LG. We call her Leaf based entirely on the data in the game code. [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 12:10, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
:Leaf is also one of her optional names in English, while カイ and ラナ are not used anywhere else, and never in English. This has also been discussed [[Talk:Player character#Sun and Moon's Names|here]]. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 12:30, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

==Name==
I thought his name was Elio. Someone should fix that. [[User:C3kids|C3kids]] ([[User talk:C3kids|talk]]) 21:50, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
:It's already noted in the Trivia section. --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 02:57, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

==USUM Images==
Can an autoconfirmed user please add the new USUM art here if that's okay? It's available on the official site. [[User:Elbunnies|Elbunnies]] ([[User talk:Elbunnies|talk]]) 13:27, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

== Move and split ==

May I please rename the page and split it if that's okay? [[User:SaturnMario|SaturnMario]], [[User talk:SaturnMario|his talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/SaturnMario|his contributions]] 23:04, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
:For those of us who aren't in the know, can you explain where you've come up with the names "Ray" and "Ailey"? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:12, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
::They're from [https://youtu.be/8rQLqeX_LcQ?t=50s here] against [https://youtu.be/47-xOiNGzgw?t=18s this]. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 01:13, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Thanks. Is there any evidence to suggest they're new, separate characters rather than just the same old characters using a new set of promotional names? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:25, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
::::[http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/ultra/en-us/alola-region.html Official website] states that they have changed to new outfits, which implies that they're the same. Besides, it's still premature to make such changes from pre-release information. This isn't any different from Blair/Whitlea, Xavier/Yvonne, Orlando/Anna... --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 01:45, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::It actually is different, to be fair. Ray and Ailey are, at the very least, the current officially-used names, the previous promotional names having fallen into disuse, and there isn't even an alternate option for each this time. That is to say, they aren't any less valid than Sun and Moon and happen to be currently in use while the latter names are not. We should also consider the fact that, this time, they were also given specific non-version Japanese names, which didn't happen for Blair/Whitlea (Kuro/Shiro), Xavier/Yvonne (X/Y) or Orlando/Anna (Omega/Alpha). - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 01:57, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
::::::Still, the games are not even out yet, so we can't be certain that they are the default names. As such, Ray and Ailey will be treated as names used in pre-release media until further notice. --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|Chao]]'''」 06:37, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:Why do you try to move the page to Ailey instead of Selene, even Japanese uses different names (Mitzuki, the official name, and Koumi)? (Of course this does not mean they are different roles.) [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 02:20, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:Why? It seems like "Sun" and "Ray" are still going to be the same character. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:35, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
I say we leave the article as is. It’s obvious now that the player characters of both Sun & Moon and Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon are the same characters. They have the same mom, same house, sale everything. They just updated their look like they did with third versions and remakes in the past. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 15:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Selene (game)

2017-08-19T00:19:13Z

Toolen:

==The Protagonist's Name==
Since the female player character doesn't have an official name, so why are we referring to her as Moon? I understand that with past Pokémon titles, some of us called the player characters what the names of the games were, but the names eventually changed. And while the male protagonist may be called Sun in the Special Demo, does that mean we should call the female protagonist Moon? (Think about the ΩRαS Demo and Orlando). So (I'm looking for the community's vote), should we keep the name as it is or change it until further notice from the Pokémon Company? [[User:MaddoxTheMudkip|MaddoxTheMudkip]] ([[User talk:MaddoxTheMudkip|talk]]) 00:48, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:This has already been discussed [[Talk:Player character#Sun and Moon's Names|here]]. By staff decision the names we use are now Sun and Moon. If you have any thing to add please do. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 01:11, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

[https://68.media.tumblr.com/8d98e473414dea850fec86cbcbe2be2f/tumblr_otvr3wayKt1sfqg1uo1_1280.jpg image]

Now we confirmed that the official called her Mizuki. So should this page be named to Selene? (And Sun's page named Elio (Yo)) [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 01:40, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

:Seems cool with me. I can see where they chose Mizuki and Yō from - with the way the former name is spelt according to what I've seen both on the main page and elsewhere, the zu is a tsu with a dakuten rather than a su so it's a corrupted tsuki; and Yō is probably derived from taiyō. Honestly, I'm not really sure if I've seen the name Mizuki spelt that way anywhere else given how rarely used that instance of zu is. [[User:Azureprism|Azureprism]] ([[User talk:Azureprism|talk]]) 02:26, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
::It's up to staff to decide. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:44, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
:::For the sake of posterity, [https://twitter.com/kotobukiyas/status/891464453744508929 here is the original source]. I agree with renaming the Moon and Sun game pages to Selene and Elio, too. [[User:JB2448|JB2448]] ([[User talk:JB2448|talk]]) 05:04, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
:::And again, for the sake of posterity, here are the videos with timecodes that the Japanese and English canon names are used in: [https://youtu.be/OF_OrULIEWA?t=71 【公式】『ポケットモンスターサン・ムーン』最新ゲーム映像（6/15公開）at 1:10] and [https://youtu.be/9Ojd6FzTaEM?t=67 "Meet New Pokémon and Discover Battle Royals in Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon!" at 1:06] [[User:JB2448|JB2448]] ([[User talk:JB2448|talk]]) 11:27, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree with moving both pages, either to Selene/Elio (my preferred choice, as these are officially-used equivalents) or to Mizuki/Yō (if we want to stay at the safe side). And before anyone says that moving Sun's page is an assumption, then again, so is using "Sun". And since the girl character is officially known as Mizuki, then it pretty much debunks the assumption that boy's name is "Sun". Sun and Mizuki/Selene just don't add up. So, moving them both is the only way. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] ([[User talk:Maxim|talk]]) 12:35, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

::::: I also agree in that this should be renamed as either "Selene" or "Mizuki". The latter is 100% confirmed now, so there's no reason to keep it as Moon. Sun should also be moved for consistency's sake, since either "Elio" or "Yo" are more valid assumptions than Sun. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 13:13, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Don't see a reason why not to change it, Selene/Mizuki and Elio/Yo it is. --[[User:DanyyelTR|DanyyelTR]] ([[User talk:DanyyelTR|talk]]) 18:56, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Quite curious as to how that makes their names Selene and Elio for English. I understand the Mizkui situation, but where does Selene, Yo, and Elio come from? (and I'll be quite honest I don't like the names Selene or Elio either). This is mostly because they ARE still promotional names like Orlando, Blair, Anna, etc. which means the only official name is Mizuki. I'll be fine with Yo if it's considered the equivalent to it. English name should stay as Moon for now in my honest opinion. Also for the purpose of trivia and the name itself, Mizuki translates to waterwood (a type of tree that sprouts flowers keeping in line with the flower theme of the characters) and is a common female Japanese name meaning "beautiful moon, which I still think can be translated to just "Moon" for the English readers.[[User:TrainerSplash|TrainerSplash]] ([[User talk:TrainerSplash|talk]]) 23:11, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

: You can check the video above that's where Mizuki/Selene and Yo/Elio come from. [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 00:38, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

:: I've stated that those are still promotional names, that video doesn't showcase the Japanese names.We can't use promotional names in such a way because they are almost always inaccurate, the only official use of any of the names is Mizuki used in in ARTFX J figurine. Otherwise they should remain as Sun and Moon any other time. I say we wait until to get official English and Japanese usage outside of trailers (aside from the name Mizuki) and keep them as Sun and Moon. They have a figma figure of her too, and we often get western releases of figmas, so I say wait until we get a translation of the figure or if possible wait and see if the two protags reappear/renamed in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon. [[User:TrainerSplash|TrainerSplash]] ([[User talk:TrainerSplash|talk]]) 01:03, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

: The video have Japanese and English... [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 01:19, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

:: TrainerSplash; as you know, we already have the name '''Mizuki''' confirmed. Now, thanks to the trailers, we know for sure that '''Selene''' is the English equivalent for Mizuki. As for the male protagonist, '''Yo''' is the male equivalent for Mizuki, and '''Elio''' is the English equivalent for Yo. That's where all the four names come from. If you insist in only official usage, then we still have to move this to Mizuki, and Selene is still as valid as Moon because both haven't been confirmed at all in English media. Perhaps we could move this to Mizuki, then wait for the figma figure and see which name they use for the English release, if they do one. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 00:00, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

:::While Mizuki may be her official name in Japanese, in English, Selene is only used officially once. As per the [[Bulbapedia:Manual of style#Naming conventions|MOS]], an official English name takes precedence over a Japanese name. Since Sun/Moon were used extensively during the pre-release period, they currently take precedence as the most commonly used English names for the characters in official material. There's no point in moving this now if an English release of the figure or USUM change things up. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:52, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

:::: That's a pretty bad justification. Why update the legendary Pokemon article right now if USUM may change that? Why change the anime article if future episodes may change that? We should care about what's happening right now, and currently Mizuki Is the official name of the character in Japanese, with absolutely no reason to doubt Selene is the official English name. Keeping the article as Sun / Moon would be deceiving visitors when we all know those names are not real. Also, this is about the SM main characters, not the USUM main characters, which as far as we know could even be two totally different characters. [[User:Josephvb10|Josephvb10]] ([[User talk:Josephvb10|talk]]) 20:16, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::Just because X translates to Y, that does ''not'' mean that if X is official, so must Y be. The English side can do whatever it wants, we will NOT presume for them. We can wait. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:58, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::Sun/Moon ''are'' officially used, including in that same video in which Elio/Selene is used only ''once''. Sun/Moon are not fake or misleading names. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:58, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Is this STILL being argued over?! I thought we settled this dispute a long time ago! [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 00:19, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Mega Stone

2017-01-07T05:00:30Z

Toolen: /* Availability */ It's not that they aren't in the games. They just aren't obtainable.

{{incomplete|2=Missing other languages for individual Mega Stones}}
[[File:Mega Stone PO.png|thumb|250px|Charizardite X and Key Stone in Pokémon Origins]]
[[File:Kalos Mega Stone Locations.png|thumb|250px|A map depicting the locations of Mega Stones in Kalos]]


A '''Mega Stone''' (Japanese: '''メガストーン''' ''Mega Stone'') is a type of [[held item]] introduced in [[Pokémon X and Y]]. It allows Pokémon to [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]]. According to [[Professor Sycamore]], Mega Stones are the results of [[Evolutionary stone]]s being irradiated by the power of the Legendary Pokémon {{p|Xerneas}}{{sup/6|X}} or {{p|Yveltal}}{{sup/6|Y}}. In [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]], it has been revealed that Mega Stones are also periodically created from meteorites that fall down from the sky in a form of green light.

==Mechanics==
During a battle, a Trainer can use their [[Key Stone]] (held in the Mega Ring{{sup/6|XY}}/Mega Bracelet{{sup/6|ORAS}} for the player character) to Mega Evolve a Pokémon that holds its corresponding Mega Stone before it attacks. Pokémon only remain Mega Evolved during battles and [[Pokémon Contest|Pokémon Contest Spectactulars]], and will revert to their original state once the battle has ended or if they [[fainting|faint]]. Every Pokémon that can undergo Mega Evolution has a corresponding Mega Stone that is named after it, except for {{p|Rayquaza}}, which instead needs to know the move {{m|Dragon Ascent}} to Mega Evolve. Some Pokémon have multiple different Mega Stones for their species.

Mega Stones cannot be transferred to or from the correct holder during battle: {{m|Thief}} and {{m|Covet}} do not take the Mega Stone, {{m|Knock Off}} does not remove the Mega Stone, {{m|Trick}} and {{m|Switcheroo}} fail, {{m|Fling}} and {{m|Bestow}} fail, and {{a|Symbiosis}} does not activate. {{m|Embargo}} and {{m|Magic Room}} also cannot prevent the use of Mega Stones to Mega Evolve Pokémon. Mega Stones are not consumed upon use, but only one Pokémon can Mega Evolve per battle.

==Availability==
In {{g|X and Y}}, all Mega Stones not directly given or sold to the player can only be found between 8 and 8:59 p.m. after [[Professor Sycamore]] has upgraded the player's Mega Ring to detect them. These Mega Stones do not appear as item balls in the overworld; rather, they appear as sparkles on the ground.

In {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}, Mega Stones on the ground appear as sparkles, like in Pokémon X and Y. Many Mega Stones that can be found in locations the player can already access will not appear until the player defeats or captures {{p|Groudon|Primal Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre|Primal Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}}. Some can only be obtained by meeting certain requirements, such as clearing all the [[Rank (Contest)|Master Ranks]] in the {{pkmn|Contest|Pokémon Contest Spectaculars}} and then defeating [[Lisia]] in one of the Master Rank Contests in order to receive the Lucarionite from {{ga|Chaz}} or receiving the Garchompite from [[Aarune]] after achieving Platinum Rank in the [[Secret Base|Super-Secret Base]] by collecting 1,000 Flags.

The stone for {{p|Blaziken}}, the Blazikenite, cannot be found through normal gameplay in X and Y. However, it can be obtained via special distributions and trading. The stone for {{p|Diancie}}, the Diancite, also cannot be obtained through normal gameplay in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Instead, the stone can be obtained by transferring or trading Diancie from [[Pokémon X and Y]] to [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]], activating an event in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire that will allow the Diancite to be obtained.

Pokémon holding Mega Stones introduced in Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire (except Latiasite and Latiosite) cannot be traded to Pokémon X and Y.

In {{g|Sun and Moon}}, not all Mega Stones are obtainable in the game. [[Dexio]] gives the player the Alakazite after defeating him on [[Ancient Poni Path]] after becoming {{pkmn|Champion}}, while some Mega Stones can be purchased at [[Battle Tree]]. [[Red]] will give the player all Mega Stones associated with the [[Starter Pokémon]] of the [[Kanto]] region after being defeated in a Single Challenge at the Battle Tree.

==List of Mega Stones==
{{Item
|name=Abomasite
|jp=ユキノオナイト
|jpt=Yukinoonite
|gen=VI
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|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Abomasnow}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Abomasnow when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Abomasnow hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Abomasnow hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Abomasnow hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Frost Cavern]] (from {{p|Abomasnow}} after defeating [[Team Flare]])
|locoras={{rt|123|Hoenn}} (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
}}
{{Item
|name=Absolite
|jp=アブソルナイト
|jpt=Absolnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Absol}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Absol when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Absol hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Absol hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Absol hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Kiloude City]] (after defeating the player's rival)
|locoras={{safari|Hoenn}}
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Aerodactylite
|jp=プテラナイト
|jpt=Pteranite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Aerodactyl}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Aerodactyl when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aerodactyl hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aerodactyl hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aerodactyl hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Ambrette Town]] Fossil Lab (after finding the scientist in [[Glittering Cave]])
|locoras=[[Meteor Falls]]
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Aggronite
|jp=ボスゴドラナイト
|jpt=Bossgodoranite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Aggron}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Aggron when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aggron hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aggron hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Aggron hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Cyllage Gym]]{{sup/6|Y}} (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Rusturf Tunnel]] (from [[Wanda]]'s boyfriend after clearing the path)
}}
{{Item
|name=Alakazite
|jp=フーディナイト
|jpt=Foodinite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Alakazam}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Alakazam when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Alakazam hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Alakazam hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Alakazam hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Reflection Cave]] (B2F, requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras={{DL|Slateport City|Slateport Market}} (bottom left corner)
|locsm=[[Ancient Poni Path]] (from [[Dexio]] after becoming {{pkmn|Champion}}), [[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Altarianite
|jp=チルタリスナイト
|jpt=Tyltalisnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Altaria}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Altaria when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Altaria hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Altaria hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Lilycove City]] (requires Altaria in party)
}}
{{Item
|name=Ampharosite
|jp=デンリュウナイト
|jpt=Denryunite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Ampharos}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Ampharos when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Ampharos hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Ampharos hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Ampharos hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Azure Bay]] (from an old man)
|locoras=[[New Mauville]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Audinite
|jp=タブンネナイト
|jpt=Tabunnenite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Audino}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Audino when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Audino hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Audino hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Battle Resort]] (given by [[Looker]])
}}
{{Item
|name=Banettite
|jp=ジュペッタナイト
|jpt=Juppetanite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Banette}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Banette when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Banette hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Banette hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Banette hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Chamber of Emptiness]] (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Mt. Pyre]] (right part of summit)
}}
{{Item
|name=Beedrillite
|jp=スピアナイト
|jpt=Speanite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Beedrill}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Beedrill when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Beedrill hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Beedrill hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Sea Mauville]] (Storage Room)
}}
{{Item
|name=Blastoisinite
|jp=カメックスナイト
|jpt=Kamexnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=10,000-1,000,000
|effect=Allows {{p|Blastoise}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Blastoise when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blastoise hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blastoise hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blastoise hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{DL|Lumiose City|Professor Sycamore's Lab}} (if {{p|Squirtle}} is chosen), {{DL|Lumiose City|Stone Emporium}} (if {{p|Squirtle}} is not chosen)
|locoras=[[S.S. Tidal]]
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]] (from {{ga|Red}} after defeating him in a Single Challenge)
}}
{{Item
|name=Blazikenite
|jp=バシャーモナイト
|jpt=Bursyamonite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=1,500
|effect=Allows {{p|Blaziken}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Blaziken when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blaziken hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blaziken hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Blaziken hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=Held by {{DL|List of Wi-Fi event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|XY Torchic}} ({{pkmn2|event}})
|locoras={{rt|120|Hoenn}} (if {{pkmn2|starter}} was {{p|Torchic}}), {{rt|114|Hoenn}} (if {{pkmn2|starter}} was not {{p|Torchic}}, after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
}}
{{Item
|name=Cameruptite
|jp=バクーダナイト
|jpt=Bakuudanite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Camerupt}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Camerupt when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Camerupt hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Camerupt hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Team Magma Hideout]]{{sup/6|OR}}, [[Battle Resort]]{{sup/6|AS}}
}}
{{Item
|name=Charizardite X
|jp=リザードナイトX
|jpt=Lizardonite X
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=10,000-1,000,000
|effect=Allows {{p|Charizard}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Charizard X when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{DL|Lumiose City|Professor Sycamore's Lab}} (if {{p|Charmander}} is chosen){{sup/6|X}}, {{DL|Lumiose City|Stone Emporium}} (if {{p|Charmander}} is not chosen){{sup/6|X}} Held by {{DL|List of Wi-Fi event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|CoroCoro Charizard}}{{sup/6|Y}}
|locoras=[[Fiery Path]] (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]] (from {{ga|Red}} after defeating him in a Single Challenge)
}}
{{Item
|name=Charizardite Y
|jp=リザードナイトY
|jpt=Lizardonite Y
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=10,000-1,000,000
|effect=Allows {{p|Charizard}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Charizard Y when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Charizard hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{DL|Lumiose City|Professor Sycamore's Lab}} (if {{p|Charmander}} is chosen){{sup/6|Y}}, {{DL|Lumiose City|Stone Emporium}} (if {{p|Charmander}} is not chosen){{sup/6|Y}} Held by {{DL|List of Wi-Fi event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|CoroCoro Charizard}}{{sup/6|X}}
|locoras=[[Scorched Slab]] (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]] (from {{ga|Red}} after defeating him in a Single Challenge)
}}
{{Item
|name=Diancite
|jp=ディアンシナイト
|jpt=Diancinite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Diancie}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Diancie when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Diancie hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Diancie hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=Any [[Pokémon Center]] (upon entering after obtaining a [[fateful encounter]] Diancie)
}}
{{Item
|name=Galladite
|jp=エルレイドナイト
|jpt=Erureidonite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Gallade}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Gallade when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gallade hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gallade hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Fallarbor Town]] (given by Professor Cozmo)
}}
{{Item
|name=Garchompite
|jp=ガブリアスナイト
|jpt=Gaburiasnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Garchomp}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Garchomp when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Garchomp hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Garchomp hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Garchomp hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{OBP|Victory Road|Kalos}} (outside, in front of the tower to the left of healing {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}} and behind {{tc|Hex Maniac}}; requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Fortree City]] (from [[Aarune]] once the player reaches the Platinum rank in the Secret Base ranking)
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Gardevoirite
|jp=サーナイトナイト
|jpt=Sirknightnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Gardevoir}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Gardevoir when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gardevoir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gardevoir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gardevoir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{DL|Lumiose City|Café Soleil}} (held by [[Diantha]]'s traded {{p|Ralts}}; requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Verdanturf Town]] (from [[Wanda]], after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
}}
{{Item
|name=Gengarite
|jp=ゲンガナイト
|jpt=Ganganite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Gengar}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Gengar when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gengar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gengar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gengar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Laverre City]] (from a {{tc|Hex Maniac}}; requires having {{p|Gastly}}, {{p|Haunter}}, or {{p|Gengar}} seen in the Pokédex)
|locoras=[[Battle Resort]]
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Glalitite
|jp=オニゴーリナイト
|jpt=Onigohrinite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Glalie}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Glalie when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Glalie hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Glalie hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Shoal Cave]]
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Gyaradosite
|jp=ギャラドスナイト
|jpt=Gyaradosnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Gyarados}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Gyarados when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gyarados hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gyarados hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Gyarados hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Couriway Town]] (near waterfalls; requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras={{rt|123|Hoenn}} (from Chomper)
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Heracronite
|jp=ヘラクロスナイト
|jpt=Heracrosnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Heracross}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Heracross when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Heracross hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Heracross hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Heracross hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Santalune Forest]]{{sup/6|Y}} (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras={{rt|127|Hoenn}} (bottom left corner of the island with {{tc|Black Belt}} Koji)
}}
{{Item
|name=Houndoominite
|jp=ヘルガナイト
|jpt=Hellganite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Houndoom}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Houndoom when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Houndoom hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Houndoom hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Houndoom hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{rt|16|Kalos}}{{sup/6|Y}} (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Lavaridge Town]] (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
}}
{{Item
|name=Kangaskhanite
|jp=ガルーラナイト
|jpt=Garuranite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Kangaskhan}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Kangaskhan when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Kangaskhan hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Kangaskhan hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Kangaskhan hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Glittering Cave]] (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Pacifidlog Town]]
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Latiasite
|jp=ラティアスナイト
|jpt=Latiasnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows {{p|Latias}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Latias when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latias hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latias hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latias hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Trade]]
|locoras=Held by {{p|Latias}}{{sup/6|AS}}, [[Littleroot Town]] (from {{ho|Mom}} after completing the [[Delta Episode]]){{sup/6|OR}}
}}
{{Item
|name=Latiosite
|jp=ラティオスナイト
|jpt=Latiosnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows {{p|Latios}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Latios when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latios hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latios hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Latios hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Trade]]
|locoras=Held by {{p|Latios}}{{sup/6|OR}}, [[Littleroot Town]] (from {{ho|Mom}} after completing the [[Delta Episode]]){{sup/6|AS}}
}}
{{Item
|name=Lopunnite
|jp=ミミロップナイト
|jpt=Mimilopnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Lopunny}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Lopunny when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Lopunny hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Lopunny hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Mauville City]] (Mauville Hills)
}}
{{Item
|name=Lucarionite
|jp=ルカリオナイト
|jpt=Lucarionite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Lucario}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Lucario when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Lucario hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Lucario hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Lucario hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Tower of Mastery]] (held by [[Korrina]]'s {{p|Lucario}} given to the player)
|locoras=Win in Master Rank of all 5 [[Contest category|categories]], then defeat [[Lisia]] in a Pokémon Contest
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Manectite
|jp=ライボルトナイト
|jpt=Livoltnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Manectric}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Manectric when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Manectric hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Manectric hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Manectric hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{rt|16|Kalos}}{{sup/6|X}} (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Seaside Cycling Road]] (on the inside of the north entrance, to the right before going on the elevated bike path)
}}
{{Item
|name=Mawilite
|jp=クチートナイト
|jpt=Kucheatnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Mawile}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Mawile when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mawile hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mawile hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mawile hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Shabboneau Castle]] 2F (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Verdanturf Town]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Medichamite
|jp=チャーレムナイト
|jpt=Charemnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Medicham}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Medicham when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Medicham hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Medicham hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Medicham hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Laverre City]] (in front of well; requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Mt. Pyre]] (top floor)
}}
{{Item
|name=Metagrossite
|jp=メタグロスナイト
|jpt=Metagrossnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Metagross}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Metagross when held during battle.
|descoras=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Metagross hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Metagross hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Ever Grande City|Pokémon League]] (from Steven after second battle), held by [[Steven's Beldum]] ({{pkmn2|event}})
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Mewtwonite X
|jp=ミュウツナイトX
|jpt=Mewtwonite X
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Mewtwo}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Mewtwo X when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{OBP|Unknown Dungeon|Kalos}} (after catching {{p|Mewtwo}}){{sup/6|X}}
|locoras=[[Littleroot Town]] (next to Birch's lab, after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
}}
{{Item
|name=Mewtwonite Y
|jp=ミュウツナイトY
|jpt=Mewtwonite Y
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Mewtwo}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Mewtwo Y when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Mewtwo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{OBP|Unknown Dungeon|Kalos}} (after catching {{p|Mewtwo}}) {{sup/6|Y}}
|locoras=[[Ever Grande City|Pokémon League]] (outside)
}}
{{Item
|name=Pidgeotite
|jp=ピジョットナイト
|jpt=Pigeotnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Pidgeot}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Pidgeot when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Pidgeot hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Pidgeot hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Rustboro City]] (from [[Mr. Stone]] in exchange for the {{key|VI|Intriguing Stone}})
}}
{{Item
|name=Pinsirite
|jp=カイロスナイト
|jpt=Kailiosnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Pinsir}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Pinsir when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Pinsir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Pinsir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Pinsir hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Santalune Forest]]{{sup/6|X}} (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras={{rt|124|Hoenn}} (requires {{m|Dive}})
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Sablenite
|jp=ヤミラミナイト
|jpt=Yamiraminite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Sableye}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Sableye when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sableye hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sableye hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Sootopolis City]]
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Salamencite
|jp=ボーマンダナイト
|jpt=Bohmandanite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Salamence}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Salamence when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Salamence hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Salamence hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Meteor Falls]] (from [[Zinnia]]'s grandmother)
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Sceptilite
|jp=ジュカインナイト
|jpt=Jukainnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=1,500
|effect=Allows {{p|Sceptile}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Sceptile when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sceptile hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sceptile hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras={{rt|120|Hoenn}} (if {{pkmn2|starter}} was {{p|Treecko}}), {{rt|114|Hoenn}} (if {{pkmn2|starter}} was not {{p|Treecko}}, after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
}}
{{Item
|name=Scizorite
|jp=ハッサムナイト
|jpt=Hassamnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Scizor}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Scizor when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Scizor hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Scizor hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Scizor hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Frost Cavern]] (behind {{p|Abomasnow}}; requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Petalburg Woods]] (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Sharpedonite
|jp=サメハダナイト
|jpt=Samehadenite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Sharpedo}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Sharpedo when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sharpedo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Sharpedo hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Team Aqua Hideout]]{{sup/6|AS}}, [[Battle Resort]]{{sup/6|OR}}
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Slowbronite
|jp=ヤドランナイト
|jpt=Yadorannite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Slowbro}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Slowbro when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Slowbro hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Slowbro hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Shoal Cave]] (after making a [[Shell Bell]] for the first time)
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]]
}}
{{Item
|name=Steelixite
|jp=ハガネールナイト
|jpt=Haganeilnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Steelix}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Steelix when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Steelix hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Steelix hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras=[[Granite Cave]] (B2F)
}}
{{Item
|name=Swampertite
|jp=ラグラージナイト
|jpt=Laglargenite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=1,500
|effect=Allows {{p|Swampert}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Swampert when held during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Swampert hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Swampert hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locoras={{rt|120|Hoenn}} (if {{pkmn2|starter}} was {{p|Mudkip}}), {{rt|114|Hoenn}} (if {{pkmn2|starter}} was not {{p|Mudkip}}, after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
}}
{{Item
|name=Tyranitarite
|jp=バンギラスナイト
|jpt=Bangirasnite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=no
|effect=Allows {{p|Tyranitar}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Tyranitar when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Tyranitar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Tyranitar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Tyranitar hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy=[[Cyllage Gym]]{{sup/6|X}} (requires an upgraded [[Key Stone|Mega Ring]])
|locoras=[[Jagged Pass]] (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
}}
{{Item
|name=Venusaurite
|jp=フシギバナイト
|jpt=Fushigibanite
|gen=VI
|bag=Items
|sell=0
|buyable=yes
|buy=10,000-1,000,000
|effect=Allows {{p|Venusaur}} to Mega Evolve into Mega Venusaur when held during battle.
|descxy=One variety of the mysterious Mega Stones. Have Venusaur hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descoras=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Venusaur hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|descsm=One of a variety of mysterious Mega Stones. Have Venusaur hold it, and this stone will enable it to Mega Evolve during battle.
|locxy={{DL|Lumiose City|Professor Sycamore's Lab}} (if {{p|Bulbasaur}} is chosen), {{DL|Lumiose City|Stone Emporium}} (if {{p|Bulbasaur}} is not chosen)
|locoras={{rt|119|Hoenn}} (after defeating or capturing {{p|Groudon}}{{sup/6|OR}}/{{p|Kyogre}}{{sup/6|AS}})
|locsm=[[Battle Tree]] (from {{ga|Red}} after defeating him in a Single Challenge)
}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Siebold Blastoise.png|thumb|250px|[[Siebold]]'s {{p|Blastoise}} wearing its Blastoisinite]]
===In the main series===
In the {{pkmn|anime}}, Pokémon wear Mega Stones using equipment similar to that which their {{pkmn|Trainer}}s use to hold their [[Key Stone]]s. The equipment disappears while the Pokémon is in its Mega Evolved state.

Mega Stones were first mentioned in ''[[XY002|Lumiose City Pursuit!]]'', where [[Professor Sycamore]] told {{Ash}} that a "special stone" is required to trigger Mega Evolution, referring to Mega Stones.

Mega Stones made their first physical appearance in ''[[SS029|Mega Evolution Special I]]''. The seen Mega Stones were [[Alain]]'s Charizardite X, [[Astrid]]'s Absolite, [[Remo]]'s Garchompite, [[Siebold]]'s Blastoisinite, and a Gyaradosite found by Alain from ancient ruins. In addition, a Lucarionite was seen in a painting shown to Alain by Professor Sycamore in a flashback, featuring the first ever Mega Evolution. Astrid's Absolite made a brief reappearance during the opening credits of ''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]''.

[[Diantha]]'s {{TP|Diantha|Gardevoir}}'s Gardevoirite first appeared in ''[[XY028|The Bonds of Evolution!]]''. The Embrace Pokémon was shown carrying its Mega Stone in a necklace around its neck.

A Lucarionite made an appearance in ''[[XY031|The Cave of Trials!]]'', where it was found by [[Korrina]] in a cave near [[Geosenge Town]]. After battling a {{p|Blaziken}} guarding the Lucarionite—which was afterward revealed to belong to Korrina's grandfather, [[Gurkinn]]—Korrina obtained the Mega Stone and used it to Mega Evolve her {{TP|Korrina|Lucario}}. The uncut Lucarionite was later set in an armband by [[McGinty]], allowing Lucario to wear the Mega Stone.

Another Lucarionite appeared in ''[[XY032|The Aura Storm!]]'' under the ownership of Gurkinn. Much like Korrina's Lucario, Gurkinn's Lucario also wears its Lucarionite in an armband on its left wrist.

A Mawilite appeared in ''[[XY034|The Bonds of Mega Evolution!]]'', worn by [[Mabel]]'s {{p|Mawile}} in a piece of jewelry placed at the foot of its head jaws.

A Lucarionite appeared in a story told by Gurkinn in ''[[XY043|Origins of Mega Evolution!]]'', depicting the first known Mega Evolution.

{{Steven}}'s {{Shiny}} {{TP|Steven|Metagross}}'s Metagrossite appeared in ''[[SS031|Mega Evolution Special II]]'', wearing it as a large bracelet on its right foreleg. An Ampharosite was also seen in a flashback in the same episode, having been found by [[Lysandre]] before Alain could get his hands on it.

Another Garchompite, belonging to Professor Sycamore and his Garchomp, appeared in ''[[XY068|Garchomp's Mega Bond!]]''. Garchomp wears her Mega Stone as a choker around her neck.

Several different Mega Stones appeared in ''[[SS035|Mega Evolution Special IV]]''. The seen Mega Stones include a Venusaurite attached to the tree on a {{p|Venusaur}}'s back, an Alakazite tied onto one of {{p|Alakazam}}'s spoons, and [[Malva]]'s Houndoominite, which is attached to a collar her {{p|Houndoom}} wears around its neck.

An Audinite appeared in ''[[XY096|A Giga Battle with Mega Results!]]'', where a [[Nurse Joy]] with an {{TP|Nurse Joy|Audino}} had found one. She later used it and Professor Sycamore's Key Stone to Mega Evolve Audino.

An Abomasite appeared in ''[[XY122|A Real Icebreaker!]]'', worn by [[Wulfric]]'s {{p|Abomasnow}}. The Frost Tree Pokémon wears its Mega Stone on its chest, revealing it only when it's about to Mega Evolve.

A Charizardite Y appeared in ''[[XY125|A League of His Own!]]'', worn by {{an|Trevor}}'s {{TP|Trevor|Charizard}} in a ring around its tail.

A Sceptilite appeared in ''[[XY126|Valuable Experience for All!]]'', worn by [[Sawyer]]'s {{TP|Sawyer|Sceptile}} on a bandana that is tied around its neck.

In ''[[M19|Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel]]'', [[Chymia]]'s {{Shiny}} Gardevoir has a Gardevoirite in a necklace around its neck, which looks exactly like the necklace that Diantha's Gardevoir has.

A Gyradosite appeared in ''[[XY133|Coming Apart at the Dreams!]]'', worn by [[Lysandre]]'s {{Shiny}} {{p|Gyarados}} around its neck in a holder similar to the one Alain's Charizard keeps its.

====Gallery====
<gallery>
File:Charizardite X anime.png|Charizardite X
File:Absolite anime.png|Absolite
File:Unknown Mega Stone anime.png|Uncut Gyaradosite 
File:Blastoisinite anime.png|Blastoisinite
File:Gardevoirite anime.png|Gardevoirite
File:Lucarionite anime.png|Uncut Lucarionite
File:Korrina Lucario Lucarionite.png|Lucarionite
File:Mawilite anime.png|Mawilite
File:Metagrossite anime.png|Metagrossite
File:Ampharosite anime.png|Uncut Ampharosite
File:Garchompite anime.png|Garchompite
File:Venusaurite anime.png|Venusaurite
File:Alakazite anime.png|Alakazite
File:Houndoominite anime.png|Houndoominite
File:Audinite anime.png|Audinite
File:Abomasite anime.png|Abomasite
File:Charizardite Y anime.png|Charizardite Y
File:Sceptilite anime.png|Sceptilite
File:Gyaradosite anime.png|Gyaradosite
</gallery>

===In Pokémon Origins===
[[File:Mega Stone PO.png|thumb|200px|Charizardite X (left) and a Key Stone (right) in Pokémon Origins]]
In the [[Pokémon Origins]] episode ''[[PO02|File 2: Cubone]]'', [[Mr. Fuji]] gave {{OBP|Red|Origins}} a Mega Stone and a Key Stone, although he did not tell Red what they truly were, saying that he would find out soon enough. In ''[[PO04|File 4: Charizard]]'', during Red's battle against {{p|Mewtwo}}, one of the stones was revealed to be a Charizardite X from Kalos. Together, it and the Key Stone triggered [[Red's Charizard]]'s Mega Evolution, allowing it to Mega Evolve into Mega Charizard X and weaken Mewtwo enough to be caught.
{{-}}

==In the manga==

===In the Pokémon - The Legend of the Dragon King manga===
In [[Pokémon - The Legend of the Dragon King]], as the story of the manga is centered around Mega Evolution, several characters have Mega Stones. {{OBP|Akira|LDK}} owns both a Charizardite X and a Charizardite Y, {{OBP|Koji|LDK}} owns a Garchompite, and [[Taichi]] has an Ampharosite.

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===

In the {{chap|X & Y}}, due to Mega Evolution being a relatively unknown phenomenon, the Mega Stone concept gradually developed. {{adv|Trevor}} was not aware of the Mega Stone that {{adv|X}}'s [[Kanga and Li'l Kanga|Kanga]] possessed, until ''[[PAXY04|They Have a Flare for a Li'l Kanga-Napping]]'' when he found it in Kanga's pouch. In ''[[PAXY08|What Does Charmander Do When It Dozes?]]'', Trevor and X proved that Kanga's Mega Stone had no effect when taken out of Kanga's pouch and placed with X's {{p|Chespin}}. In ''[[PAXY13|Overthrowing a Tyrunt]]'', Trevor and X became aware of different Mega Stones and their names when the [[Team Flare Grunt]] they were fighting mentioned the Kangaskanite and Manectite explicitly. Trevor and X combined their skills to defeat the grunt in battle and steal a list of Mega Stones that he had supposedly compiled.

*[[Korrina]]'s {{TP|Korrina|Lucario}} possesses a Lucarionite, allowing it to Mega Evolve into Mega Lucario.
*[[Gurkinn]]'s {{p|Heracross}} wears its Heracronite around its horn.
*[[Diantha]]'s {{TP|Diantha|Gardevoir}} wears its Gardevoirite around its head.
*[[Lysandre]]'s Gyarados possesses a Gyaradosite, which a Team Flare grunt successfully dispatched to [[Malva]].
*X's {{p|Manectric|Élec}} possesses a Manectite, which is kept in a patch of fur on his chest. Élec was motivated to seek its Mega Stone after witnessing Kanga and Li'l Kanga Mega Evolve during a battle in the [[Prism Tower]].
*X's {{p|Gengar|Garma}} possesses a Gengarite, which is kept in a patch of fur under its jaw.
*{{adv|Tierno}} and {{adv|Shauna}} found multiple Mega Stones while looking for a Pinsirite and Absolite for X's {{p|Pinsir|Rute}} and Y's {{p|Absol|Solsol}}. After some searching, they successfully found the correct Mega Stones and gave them to X and Y.
*X's [[Salamè]] possesses a Charizardite X, which he keeps on the tip of his tail, hidden inside of tail's flame. {{adv|Blue}}'s {{TP|Blue|Charizard}} possesses a Charizardite Y, which is also kept hidden inside of the flame on the tip of his tail. Both Charizard combined in their respective Mega Evolutions to defeat [[Xerosic]], who claimed that Team Flare found no proof that a Charizard Mega Evolves, let alone into two different forms.
*[[Blaine]] possesses both a Mewtwonite Y and Mewtwonite X, which he can use to Mega Evolve {{adv|Mewtwo}} into either of its Mega Evolutions.

In the {{chap|Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire}}, the Mega Stones appear or are mentioned in the following chapters:
*In [[PAORAS01|Omega Alpha Adventure 1]], {{adv|Eon duo|Latios}} revealed that he and Latias have obtained their respective Mega Stones.
*In [[PAORAS02|Omega Alpha Adventure 2]], it was revealed that {{Steven}} had already found the Mega Stones for [[Chic|Blaziken]], [[Mumu|Swampert]], and {{TP|Emerald|Sceptile}} for {{adv|Sapphire}}, {{adv|Ruby}}, and {{adv|Emerald}}, respectively.
*In [[PAORAS03|Omega Alpha Adventure 3]], [[Zinnia]] used her Salamencite to Mega Evolve her {{TP|Zinnia|Salamence}} during a battle against Ruby. Using Latios's Latiosite, Ruby Mega Evolved the Eon Pokémon into Mega Latios and defeated Mega Salamence.
*In [[PAORAS11]], {{adv|Red}} and {{adv|Green}} were revealed to have respectively obtained the Venusaurite and Blastoisinite, sometime before following [[Maxie]] and [[Archie]], who had obtained the Cameruptite and Sharpedonite, respectively. The two pairs of Trainers used the Mega Stones with their respective Pokémon to battle each other.
*In [[PAORAS20]], {{adv|Giovanni}} was revealed to have obtained a Beedrillite, using it to Mega Evolve his {{TP|Giovanni|Beedrill}} as part of his explanation that the meteoroid threatening to destroy the world may be housing a Pokémon inside of it. The [[Meteor Village]] {{OBP|elder|Meteor Village}} later offered {{adv|Sapphire}} a Gardevoirite and Galladite, commenting how matching her Gallade and {{adv|Ruby}}'s Gardevoir are. Ruby and Sapphire later used these Mega Stones to Mega Evolve [[Rara]] and {{p|Gallade|Kirly}} during a brief battle against each other.
*In [[PAORAS21]], after destroying the [[Grand Meteor Delta]], Ruby has {{p|Hoopa}} find a Diancite for Diancie to use in the Pokémon Contest Spectacular, allowing Ruby to Mega Evolve Diancie for his and Sapphire's performance.

<gallery>
File:Swampertite Adventures.png|Mumu's Swampertite
File:Blazikenite Adventures.png|Chic holding her Blazikenite
File:Sceptilite Adventures.png|Emerald's Sceptile holding his Sceptilite
File:Gardevoirite Galladite Adventures.png|Rara's Gardevoirite and Kirly's Galladite
File:Kangaskhanite Adventures.png|Li'l Kanga's Kangaskhanite
File:Manectite Adventures.png|Élec using his Manectite
File:Gengarite Adventures.png|Garma holding his Gengarite
File:Pinsirite Adventures.png|Rute holding its Pinsirite
File:Absolite Adventures.png|Solsol holding its Absolite
File:Diantha Gardevoir Adventures.png|Diantha's Gardevoir wearing its Gardevoirite around its head
File:Gyaradosite Adventures.png|Lysandre's Gyarados's Gyaradosite
File:Gurkinn Heracross Adventures.png|Gurkinn's Heracross wearing its Heracronite around its horn
File:Diancite Adventures.png|A Diancite Ruby used
</gallery>

==Artwork==
The following is a gallery of Mega Stone artwork as seen on the [[Pokémon Global Link]].
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background:#{{black color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{black color}}"
|-
| width="160px" style="background:#{{grass color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Abomasite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dark color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Absolite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{rock color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Aerodactylite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{steel color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Aggronite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{psychic color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Alakazite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Altarianite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{electric color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Ampharosite Sprite.png]]
|-
| style="background:#{{ice color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{ice color dark}}|Abomasite}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{dark color dark}}|Absolite}}
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{flying color dark}}|Aerodactylite}}
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{steel color dark}}|Aggronite}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|Alakazite}}
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{fairy color dark}}|Altarianite}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|Ampharosite}}
|-
| width="160px" style="background:#{{normal color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Audinite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{ghost color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Banettite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{bug color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Beedrillite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{water color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Blastoisinite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{fire color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Blazikenite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{fire color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Cameruptite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{fire color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Charizardite X Sprite.png]]
|-
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{fairy color dark}}|Audinite}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{ghost color dark}}|Banettite}}
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{bug color dark}}|Beedrillite}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{water color dark}}|Blastoisinite}}
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{fighting color dark}}|Blazikenite}}
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{ground color dark}}|Cameruptite}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|Charizardite X}}
|-
| width="160px" style="background:#{{fire color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Charizardite Y Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{rock color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Diancite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{psychic color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Galladite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Garchompite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{psychic color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Gardevoirite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{ghost color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Gengarite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{ice color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Glalitite Sprite.png]]
|-
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{flying color dark}}|Charizardite Y}}
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{fairy color dark}}|Diancite}}
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{fighting color dark}}|Galladite}}
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{ground color dark}}|Garchompite}}
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{fairy color dark}}|Gardevoirite}}
| style="background:#{{poison color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{poison color dark}}|Gengarite}}
| style="background:#{{ice color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{ice color dark}}|Glalitite}}
|-
| width="160px" style="background:#{{water color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Gyaradosite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{bug color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Heracronite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dark color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Houndoominite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{normal color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Kangaskhanite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Latiasite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Latiosite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{normal color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Lopunnite Sprite.png]]
|-
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{dark color dark}}|Gyaradosite}}
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{fighting color dark}}|Heracronite}}
| style="background:#{{fire color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{fire color dark}}|Houndoominite}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{normal color dark}}|Kangaskhanite}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|Latiasite}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|Latiosite}}
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{fighting color dark}}|Lopunnite}}
|-
| width="160px" style="background:#{{fighting color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Lucarionite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{electric color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Manectite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{steel color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Mawilite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{fighting color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Medichamite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{steel color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Metagrossite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{psychic color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Mewtwonite X Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{psychic color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Mewtwonite Y Sprite.png]]
|-
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{steel color dark}}|Lucarionite}}
| style="background:#{{electric color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{electric color dark}}|Manectite}}
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{fairy color dark}}|Mawilite}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|Medichamite}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|Metagrossite}}
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{fighting color dark}}|Mewtwonite X}}
| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|Mewtwonite Y}}
|-
| width="160px" style="background:#{{normal color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Pidgeotite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{bug color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Pinsirite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dark color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Sablenite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{dragon color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Salamencite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{grass color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Sceptilite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{bug color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Scizorite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{water color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Sharpedonite Sprite.png]]
|-
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{flying color dark}}|Pidgeotite}}
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{flying color dark}}|Pinsirite}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{ghost color dark}}|Sablenite}}
| style="background:#{{flying color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{flying color dark}}|Salamencite}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{dragon color dark}}|Sceptilite}}
| style="background:#{{steel color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{steel color dark}}|Scizorite}}
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{dark color dark}}|Sharpedonite}}
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| width="160px" style="background:#{{water color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Swampertite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{rock color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Tyranitarite Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background:#{{grass color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Venusaurite Sprite.png]]
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| style="background:#{{psychic color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{psychic color dark}}|Slowbronite}}
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{ground color dark}}|Steelixite}}
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==Trivia==

* The Aggronite and Houndoominite are only obtainable in Pokémon Y, despite {{p|Aron}}, {{p|Houndour}}, and their evolutions being exclusive to Pokémon X.
* The design of the Mega Stones appear to be based on a common pattern found in the glass {{wp|marble (toy)|marble}} called a toothpaste or catseye marble.

==In other languages==
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|zh_cmn=超級石 / 超级石 ''{{tt|Chāojí Shí|Super Stone}}'' {{tt|*|Games, Tretta}} 超進化石 ''{{tt|Chāojìnhuà Shí|Super Evolution Stone}}'' {{tt|*|Anime, Adventures}}
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|ru=Мега Камень ''Mega Kamen'''
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|th=หินเมก้า ''H̄in Mega''
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==See also==
* [[Key Stone]]
* [[Colored orbs]]
* [[Z-Crystal]]

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Talk:Player character

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I suggest merge of [[Player character]] and [[Rival]], as well as categorisation according to the game instead of the Region. Also, I believe Pokemon Ranger characters should be added as main characters, considering that Pokemon Ranger is actually a main Pokemon Game.

Anyone have the Emerald sprite of May? [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-Z''']][ 14:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:And again that request is made. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Re-write? ==

Does anyone else think this article needs a re-write? [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:Do you have a reason? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:It seems kinda... messy. It's not that hard really explain how a player character works in a video game. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 02:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Backsprites ==

I was thinking that we could take a page from the Pokémon pages and find the backsprites of the player characters as well as the partner characters (like Steven and Buck).--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 03:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Mentioning of Player in Mystery Dungeon? ==

There's not really much more to say... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or the player in Trozei (being the user him/herself). Or in any of the other games, for that matter. What about Snap? I feel like this should be a stub. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 05:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, the player in Trozei (or Link, as we call it over here) is [[Lucy Fleetfoot]]. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 17:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::And that's a stub, if I've ever seen one. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== *COUGH* ==

Why do we need backsprites?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have them for Pokémon. So why not characters.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because it made the page wayyy to big. Maybe if we didn't just have one, but all of those broken links look just awful.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::We could resize them. We also have broken links on the Pokémon pages IMHO, it just lets someone know that the images should be created.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Resize? Eww. Only one Pokémon even does that, and it's Deoxys. Perhaps I'll do a hack of the sprite template that'll allow for it. Or you can. I dunno. Yeah. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I might be able to. what exactly do you mean?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Michael and What's his name... ==

What about side game characters? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:Lunick, Solana, the players in PMD, yeah they should go here. And if they do, the part about being remarkably silent doesn't apply to PMD.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Dawn and Luca's Platinum sprites ==

They're not uploaded yet,right? Can someone upload them? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Two little things ==

Couldn't the table also hold the overworld sprite for each character? I don't think they appear anywhere else. Also, HgSs will require another column for Gold and Kris, should I change it? [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 03:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gamecube game characters? ==

What about Wes and Michael? I see no reason for them to be excluded. Sure, we wouldn't have as many pictures since they appear in 3D games, but I really can't consider those games to be side-games. They're full-fledged Pokemon RPGs, just like the handhelds. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Umm...already stated... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Missed it due to the lack of pictures. Nevermind. Sorry. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ranger ==

Shouldn't we list the player characters in Ranger? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I will. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== The new girl ==

Since we're not getting Kris back, as she's more a Crystal character than a GS (and by extension, HGSS) character, what should we name the new girl since we don't know her name and likely won't be getting it?

I say Soul, since, like Leaf, she'll likely be named for the prefix of the secondary remake game, while her male counterpart is the primary original game (Gold, like Red) and her rival is the secondary original game (Silver, like Blue/Green).

Should we make an article yet, though? I've protected both Heart and {{ga|Soul}} until the tenth anniversary of GS, so... no need to worry there. Plus, we can move it when and if we get her real name either via hacking the games to pieces or because they actually '''give her one outright'''. But it never happened to Leaf, so... we'll just wait to see, eh?

So, below, vote: make it, don't make it, and under what name? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:There are still some arguments that she is Kris but with a major redesign. Kinda like Red in FRLG. But I don't know. I say Soul because of the reason you stated (even though I like Heart better). Make it under {{ga|Soul}}. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

::Let's wait till the game is released. An opposite-gender player will have a supporting role, which means there'll be a fixed name for her. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 05:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, we shouldn't wait six months to make an article about a character from the Pokémon games. I like Soul, but make sure that it is noted that until confirmation it is a fan name. When CoroCoro comes out I'll have at it and see if it is noted anywhere amidst the crazyness.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 05:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maxim... that's for Gen III and IV games. HGSS is a Gen II game (technically). Where was Leaf's supporting role? Did I somehow ''miss her'' in FireRed, despite completing the game 100%? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::: My vote goes for making an article, or at least starting one that we can move to the proper place when the name is revealed. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 06:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::I vote for making the article. Call it Soul or whatever you want, see if I care. I'm too upset with the decision of erasing Kris from the Pokémon World to even bother. Kris is the best thing that ever happened to the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 06:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Your right Mr. Charlie, if it wasn't for Kris there wouldn't be girl characters. Then they go and replace her with a girl with Mario's overolls and a '''HUGE''' hat. I felt like crying :(
See my page, the part with my pokemon trainers. I'm not going to touch it untill some more info on this "Soul".[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 21:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Scratch that last thing I said, I'll call her Soul Kamon.[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 22:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Titles... ==

Color clashing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Should be better now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== Overhead sprites ==

Think we should add those too? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Old question but sounds like a good idea. However, we need someone able to rip sprites to do that. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 19:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gold's backsprite ==

Why do we even have it there? Anyway,they changed his backsprite,but the article still shows the original one. Is the screenshot to small? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:There are two there already... [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::I meant his Heartgold and Soulsilver backsprite,they changed [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/con01_img04.jpg it],it's slightly different. For example,his hair isn't parted. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I guess it could be one of the first beta things for HGSS, but its still to early to tell, they could change it again--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 04:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

i think we should wait because the back sprite is changing in recent pictures he does not have the symbol on the back of his hat.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 17:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Counterparts for missing ==

May and Dawn needs on their respective webs a section of counterparts like Red, Gold, Kris and Kotone, please sombebody cna do it? --Ash 20:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Wes is one of the few that "doesnt wear head gear" trivia ==

Ummm... I own Colosseum and it shows him wearing silver visors in his hair, and also if you go to his page you can see he's wearing them as headgear in the photo. But, every time I try to remove Wes from that part of the trivia, someone puts him back in...

Visors aren't headgear. They're eyeware. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

== Gold's HGSS Name ==

Until HG and SS are released here (as short a time as that'll be), Gold's HGSS sprite should be titled "Hibiki". Then there's the matter of Silver seemingly being "rival"/"Rival" rather than truly named, but a lack of name rationalizes attributing "Silver" to him my my count (though that's not so much here as it is there, on the rivals' page). [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 01:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:There has been a heap of discussion about these characters' names all over the pedia (for example, here), and the consensus reached is that we ain't touching anything until the games are released. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Protection ==

I personally think we should protect this page considering the Generation V boy and girl heroes have been revealed with little detail for both. The main reason is because I know someone out there will post fake images and ridiculous speculation. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 11:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'd rather we assumed good faith and left it open. We'll see how it goes for now. When the details really start to come out, we can rethink. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, about that, shouldn't somebody put info and pics about BW player characters?

== Stadium characters ==

Do they count as player characters? You honestly don't really play as them, as in moving them or anything, but you do tell your Pokemon what to do, which is the players ability. So you ''technically'' do play as them. Also, they aren't Ethan and Kris. Or even actually, any other protagonist [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 14:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Of course they do. You control them just as much as Lucy Fleetfoot. They are 100% player characters, in my opinion. The fact that you don't walk using them doesn't make them any worse. I think I could upload their faceshots and add them to this article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== What's wrong? ==

I can't see the bottom of this page. It dead-ends after the template with Ranger Characters. Does this happen just to me, or is there something screwed-up in the coding? It doesn't happen when I view older revisions of the article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Works fine for me. I think it's because of all the internal trouble and stuff the the 'pedia's been experiencing recently. It happend to me the other day, on a different page. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 11:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Works because I just fixed it. Someone had added there a HTML comment but forgot to close it... '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Black and White Trainers? ==

I'm a bit surprised they aren't featured here. I understand them not getting their own pages (yet) due to the scarcity of information on them, but I can't even find their images on this site. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

They probably just want to avoid speculation. Personally, I'm just glad the male trainer has a normal hair color. First in Generation III it was white, then in IV it looked purple (although ingame it looked more like black)
On a somewhat related note, does anyone have any idea why the player characters from black and white are older than in previous games?[[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:No Black and White until we actually know something about them. And no opinionated chat here. There are in fact pictures of the BW main characters in the group shot in the article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The male trainer in Generation III has black hair. In the manga, it revealed that the white part was a hat. And if you look closely under the headband, you could see some black hair. ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 06:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC))

== Trivia ==

Does anyone else think it's worth mentioning that each of the main series player characters have a hat of some sort? '''''[[Special:Contributions/Shiny_Rayquaza|→→→]] [[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 02:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I wouldn't count May's as a hat so much as a headband, but since Brendan's is a hat, then I do think it's worth mentioning. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Bah I meant bandanna, not headband. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It would probably better to use the word "headgear", so that the trivia point encompasses all the player characters. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Optional names for <player character> ==

I've made a few templates to replace the old ones on each page. [[User:Takharii/sandbox#'In other languages' template|They're both here]]. Which one does everyone like better? [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 09:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:Colors of the first one on the second design. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon Channel ==
What about Pokemon channel? I know you never see the character, but it is still a game and the name should be mentioned. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Are you sure that the edits by ''Ash Pokemaster‏'' is right? Does this page no longer needed the sprites from previous generations? [[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:Well, there isn't really a need for them. The page was listing all the protagonists. Not listing all their sprites. I somewhat agree with it. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 21:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::If you need sprites you can always use a [http://www.spriters-resource.com/ sprites resource]! Heck, you can even open the article of each character to find them. I don't think there's need for sprites to be placed in every possible article. The article looks much more elegant now, albeit incomplete. :P
::Also, this isn't a perfect design or anything. I just tried to make it look more proper for the wiki, but it still needs work. First of all, there is need for this style to be applied in other characters as well. It would also probably be handy to combine the male the female characters boxes. But either way, I think that it looks fine now. [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 23:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ranger Backs & Main Series ==

First off, anyone got the underwater Ranger backs? And second off, what happened to/was wrong with that proper collection of sprites under characters? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 22:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:See just abobe. :) [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 16:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Typing DS chars ==

They did have some sprites, right? I think they also had some default names, didn't they? They may not be worth their own articles but I think they should definitely be included here. Can anyone who has a copy check their names (and upload sprites, if possible)? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== P+NA ==

is there art of the player characters from Pokémon + Nobunaga's Ambition we could put on here? [[User:Volcronaperson|Volcronaperson]] 00:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes there is. Now it is on this page.

== Black and White 2 Trainers ==

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/

Just thought they should be added to the group shot now that good pics are out. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

== X and Y ==

Do we have a confirmed name here?

http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/screenshots/june_p14_04.jpg

[[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 14:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:It looks likely, but we may need to wait until both are revealed. Xavier does sound like a good name for the male protagonist... [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

::Looks like the X and Y player character's names are Yvonne (girl) and Xavier (boy). '''Seeming they used the boy's name again, I'd say it's highly probable that these are their default names, but I'm not the one to judge, and I think we should still wait a bit longer, just in case.''' [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] ([[User talk:Zarthga|talk]]) 09:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/5b/XY_Prerelease_PSS_battle_1.png

:It feels like you guys might be jumping the gun here. While their names might very well end up being these, there is years of precedence in the Pokemon franchise for pre-release "tentative" player names to later be scrapped altogether for the finished product.

:Not really fond of the mindset of "closest thing to canon right now" being of encyclopedic material. [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 03:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::Not to mention these are not the only names we have seen for these characters, with the latest being Callum and Serena. [[User:Gohan5|Gohan5]] ([[User talk:Gohan5|talk]]) 13:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Those are the Japanese names. Although it should be noted that the Japanese equivalent of those pictures used "X" and "Y" in katakana, so it's very unlikely that those will be the final names. We'll have to wait till tomorrow, I suppose. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::::I would honestly not be surprised at all if Callum and Serena wind up being universal (or partially), given how this is the first time in the history of the series where player characters of the Japanese version are being given distinctive and real non-Japanese names (Western ones, to boot). [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 07:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

:Calem and Serena has been confirmed as the main characters' name in English version.([[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 09:01, 15 June 2013 (UTC))
::Is there a reason we haven't made pages for Calem and Serena yet? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 00:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
::I think we have a misunderstood here, please check the official page of Pokemon, thay only wrote, "Serena or Calem - Your next-door neighbor in Vaniville will set out on a journey just like everyone else, with the goal of becoming a powerful Pokémon Trainer. If your character is a boy, your neighbor will be Serena. If you play as a girl, Calem will be your neighbor." - [[User:Theodorethebear|Theodorethebear]] ([[User talk:Theodorethebear|talk]]) 12:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:::To Vienna Waltz, it's because we don't have that much info on them right now. To Theodorethebear, yes, it does say that. What's your point? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 12:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

== Female Character ==

This page says if the female player is chosen on the [[Crystal]] game pack the female character will appear. But when I chose the male on Crystal the female character still appears. I think when any Crystal game pack is used then the female character will appear. ----[[User:Ethan7|Ethan]] ''([[User talk:Ethan|Talk]])'' 04:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

== Player height and weight ==

*{{ga|Ethan}} was 4'11" tall and weighed 88.2 lbs in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
*{{ga|Lyra}} is 4'11" tall and weighs 90.4 lbs.
*{{ga|Lucas}} is 4'7" (143 cm) tall and weighs 83.8 lbs (38 kg).
*{{ga|Dawn}} is 4'6" (1.40 m) tall and weighs 75 lbs (34 kg).

Those trivia bits are in those articles. I don't know where they came from. (I suspect the [[Pokédex]].) It seems as though we only have it for the [[Generation IV]] protagonists. The function that allowed the player character to be compared to a Pokémon was apparently added in Generation III, according to the Pokédex page, so why isn't it known for {{ga|Red}}, {{ga|Leaf}}, {{ga|Brendan}}, or {{ga|May}}? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
:At least in HGSS, the height and weight for the PCs is physically spelled out, meaning the game tells you outright that the characters are this height and weight (so I suspect it's the same for DPPt). In Ruby and FR (the games I checked), there are only rough silhouette depictions and no numbers (and certainly no weight comparisons). So it's impossible to add anything for the Gen 3 protags that isn't guesswork. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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== Side Series/Spin Off ==

Why the distinction? I know there's a lot people that wrongly consider Colosseum and XD to be part of the main series, but I see no reason for there to be a distinction between these and the other spinoffs. They do have gameplay closer to that in the main series, but they're hardly the only spinoffs to allow trading to the main games. Seems like a completely arbitrary section. [[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 12:02, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

== Pages for Mystery Dungeon player characters? ==

Could we please have some? And for the partners as well? If there are articles for the player characters of [[Pokémon Conquest]], I don't see why there can't be any for the ones of Mystery Dungeon [[User:N. Harmonik|N. Harmonik]] ([[User talk:N. Harmonik|talk]]) 03:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

== Sun and Moon Player characters ==

The last E3 Suggested that the names of the male and female chacters is Elio and Selene. {{unsigned|Robin Maximo}}
:We won't include information until it's 100% confirmed. It's still not yet clear whether these names are the official ones or are just being used in promotional materials. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I thought that we could use like temporarie names like Scottie in Sawyer´s name, but ok then-- Posted By Robin Maximo[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 20:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Orlando ==

Can we add Orlando from the ORAS Special Demo Version? Surely Orlando should at least be mentioned on this page, especially as his Japanese name is Omega. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] ([[User talk:Kidburla|talk]]) 16:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

== Question ==

I only have a question rather than a suggestion, if this is not the place to do this let me know the right place please, how do you guys discover the names of the player characters, where is released?--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 17:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

:It varies. In some of the older games, the official names were often available as a default if you didn't enter a name, or were used in the game's data to label the characters' sprites and other information. In recent games the characters often go by those names when they are not chosen by the player and appear instead as an NPC, such as with Hilbert, Hilda, Nate, and Rosa (in the Battle Subway) or Calem, Serena, Lucas, Dawn, Brendan, May, Ethan, and Lyra (as rivals/friends of the player). —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:18, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

== What? ==

Can someone please fix the page, someone has screwed it up and I don't know what text to put where in order to fix it. EDIT: It's now been fixed, thanks for whoever did it :) {{unsigned|Sun & Moon}}

== Sun and Moon's Names ==

Are Sun and Moon really the official names? I read somewhere that the opposite player doesn't show up as an NPC, and we don't have either one in the anime so we can't go off of that, and the Dex Holders in Pokémon Adventures are always named after the games, so that's not good either... I think we should discuss it a bit before we decide their names.

[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 06:03, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

:I don't know if they even HAVE official names. But people will surely be looking for information about the player characters of the new games and their role in the story, so in the absence of reliable official names, placeholder names might have to do. "Sun" for the male PC at least has some in-game basis (being the name of the PC in the special demo version), and "Moon" would correspond to that. Of course, discussion is still good—if anyone knows a set of names with better justification, I'm all ears. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:33, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

::I agree that generation I could not be the only one of a kind with the main characters using the names of the game versions/manga version, their names can be Sun & Moon. Especially when we don´t know how to call them.-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 02:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

:::I would actually suggest Elios (Sun) and Selene (Moon) for their placeholder names, since those were their given names in pre-release materials. Red and Leaf are the only player characters to be named after their game (if Kris/Crystal doesn't count), and I don't think they'd go back to that naming pattern now 13 years after the last one. [[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 03:36, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I suggested this names back then but they said it was not 100% confirmed since Calem and Serena already changed names, but they preferred the last names that was used to call then in the demo, Sun & moon, if something important like this is not yet decided editions shouldn´t be locked again ultil it is?-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 03:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
::Since Calem and Serena's names were '''X'''avier and '''Y'''vonne, it's likely those were meant to be like the names of their games, X & Y but a little more subtle. Elios and Selene at the moment also sound like that as they are from greek mythology, (H)elios and Selene being the titans of the sun and moon respectively.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]04:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

From what I've seen, Sun and Moon are the most common names for the player characters. They' names of the games have been used before for PC names, so I see no reason why that naming pattern can't be used again, and those are the names used in the manga. Since the characters don't appear in the games unless you select them, I think that's as close to official names as we're going to get. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 04:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

So Helio and Selene are not acceptable? I think that pattern may return as well cause the pokémon franchise never(or at the eyes of somes at least changes)follows patterns, can´t see why they will always follow in this aspect, i have to disagree with the argument of the manga though since until today i(and i think most part of the fans) don´t see whi-two for example as an actual name to call, thank god we have Rosa, Sun & Moon is still acceptable too.--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 05:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I never said Helio and Selene weren't acceptable. They're just isn't as much evidence for them. Sun is the name used in the demo. It is also the name used in the manga. Are these the most reliable sources? No, but they're the closest things to an official source we have. Unlike previous games, they don't appear as NPCs when we choose the opposite gender, so we can't rely on the games themselves. As for Moon, that is the name used in the manga for the female character, and Moon is the opposite of Sun, so it fits. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 05:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:Never go with the Adventures manga for the games' player characters' official names, they use the name of the games themselves for those characters, (with only two exceptions, but their names are quite close to their games' title, only missing a couple of letters). The female protagonist that appears with the Rotom hasn't been named yet in the manga (though likely it will be Moon), and they might pull a twist again like in the Diamond and Pearl chapter.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]05:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Considering the history up until this point, it's a safe bet it will be Moon. As for their reliability, I already said they are not the most reliable sources, but the names in the Manga and the Demo are the closest things we have to an official name. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 06:23, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

It seems like the problem of Firered & Leafgreen, how do you guys determined Leaf´s name? And i´m sorry for losing the tracks but what twist did we had in DP? I´d like to know a little more about it(principally because i started to play in this generation), it may help us resolve the problem, to get it even worse it doesn´t sound like the female character at least will appear in the anime just like Leaf, Yellow and Hilda(and Rosa but at least she appearred in the trailer).-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 07:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:The twist in DP is that they left Platinum nameless, referred only as Lady, during their trip up until the point when the Platinum game version was announced. Which by that point they official gave her that name.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]08:24, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Despite being obvious i didn´t realize that was happening that time, it´s impressive, but i don´t think it will be a twist like that one this time, i think the only reason they did this is because DP manga would lack a female main character.-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 20:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

It looks like we're going to have to do what we did with Kris and Leaf: use the most commonly used name amongst fans and/or the placeholder names on the games's ROM. I'm pretty sure that the placeholder names are Sun for the boy and Moon for the girl, which are also the most common names I've found when searching the web. Should I go ahead and add those to the article, or do we need to wait a little longer? [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 06:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
:Wait until a {{bp|staff}} member makes an executive decision, please. It's not good for non-staff to jump the gun on things that affect page titles, because those in turn require a lot of creating or updating links on various pages. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:57, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I figured as much. It looks like this issue will remain unresolved for the foreseeable future. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 07:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

== Black and White, Black 2 and White 2 ==

So in the newest Pokemon Genrations Hilbert is seen with Zekrom meaning he is the hero of White. Yes I know the protagonists that appear in the show are supposed to represent the average player but so do the playable characters. So is he? That means that Hilda and Rosa are the heroes of Black and Black 2 and Hilbert and Nate are the heroes of White and White 2. Or is it opposite genders? Hilda and Nate, Hilbert and Rosa? {{unsigned|Sun & Moon}}

:...It's both of them. Generations doesn't line up completely with the games' canon. [[User:TechSkylander1518|TechSkylander1518]] ([[User talk:TechSkylander1518|talk]]) 05:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Shady House

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Shady House

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The '''Shady House''' (Japanese: '''いかがわしき{{tt|屋敷|やしき}}''' ''Suspicious Mansion'') is a location on [[Ula'ula Island]] in [[Alola]], located at the north end of [[Po Town]]. [[Team Skull]] is headquartered here.

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I suggest merge of [[Player character]] and [[Rival]], as well as categorisation according to the game instead of the Region. Also, I believe Pokemon Ranger characters should be added as main characters, considering that Pokemon Ranger is actually a main Pokemon Game.

Anyone have the Emerald sprite of May? [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-Z''']][ 14:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:And again that request is made. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Re-write? ==

Does anyone else think this article needs a re-write? [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:Do you have a reason? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:It seems kinda... messy. It's not that hard really explain how a player character works in a video game. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 02:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Backsprites ==

I was thinking that we could take a page from the Pokémon pages and find the backsprites of the player characters as well as the partner characters (like Steven and Buck).--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 03:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Mentioning of Player in Mystery Dungeon? ==

There's not really much more to say... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or the player in Trozei (being the user him/herself). Or in any of the other games, for that matter. What about Snap? I feel like this should be a stub. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 05:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, the player in Trozei (or Link, as we call it over here) is [[Lucy Fleetfoot]]. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 17:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::And that's a stub, if I've ever seen one. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== *COUGH* ==

Why do we need backsprites?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have them for Pokémon. So why not characters.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because it made the page wayyy to big. Maybe if we didn't just have one, but all of those broken links look just awful.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::We could resize them. We also have broken links on the Pokémon pages IMHO, it just lets someone know that the images should be created.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Resize? Eww. Only one Pokémon even does that, and it's Deoxys. Perhaps I'll do a hack of the sprite template that'll allow for it. Or you can. I dunno. Yeah. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I might be able to. what exactly do you mean?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Michael and What's his name... ==

What about side game characters? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:Lunick, Solana, the players in PMD, yeah they should go here. And if they do, the part about being remarkably silent doesn't apply to PMD.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Dawn and Luca's Platinum sprites ==

They're not uploaded yet,right? Can someone upload them? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Two little things ==

Couldn't the table also hold the overworld sprite for each character? I don't think they appear anywhere else. Also, HgSs will require another column for Gold and Kris, should I change it? [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 03:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gamecube game characters? ==

What about Wes and Michael? I see no reason for them to be excluded. Sure, we wouldn't have as many pictures since they appear in 3D games, but I really can't consider those games to be side-games. They're full-fledged Pokemon RPGs, just like the handhelds. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Umm...already stated... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Missed it due to the lack of pictures. Nevermind. Sorry. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ranger ==

Shouldn't we list the player characters in Ranger? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I will. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== The new girl ==

Since we're not getting Kris back, as she's more a Crystal character than a GS (and by extension, HGSS) character, what should we name the new girl since we don't know her name and likely won't be getting it?

I say Soul, since, like Leaf, she'll likely be named for the prefix of the secondary remake game, while her male counterpart is the primary original game (Gold, like Red) and her rival is the secondary original game (Silver, like Blue/Green).

Should we make an article yet, though? I've protected both Heart and {{ga|Soul}} until the tenth anniversary of GS, so... no need to worry there. Plus, we can move it when and if we get her real name either via hacking the games to pieces or because they actually '''give her one outright'''. But it never happened to Leaf, so... we'll just wait to see, eh?

So, below, vote: make it, don't make it, and under what name? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:There are still some arguments that she is Kris but with a major redesign. Kinda like Red in FRLG. But I don't know. I say Soul because of the reason you stated (even though I like Heart better). Make it under {{ga|Soul}}. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

::Let's wait till the game is released. An opposite-gender player will have a supporting role, which means there'll be a fixed name for her. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 05:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, we shouldn't wait six months to make an article about a character from the Pokémon games. I like Soul, but make sure that it is noted that until confirmation it is a fan name. When CoroCoro comes out I'll have at it and see if it is noted anywhere amidst the crazyness.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 05:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maxim... that's for Gen III and IV games. HGSS is a Gen II game (technically). Where was Leaf's supporting role? Did I somehow ''miss her'' in FireRed, despite completing the game 100%? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::: My vote goes for making an article, or at least starting one that we can move to the proper place when the name is revealed. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 06:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::I vote for making the article. Call it Soul or whatever you want, see if I care. I'm too upset with the decision of erasing Kris from the Pokémon World to even bother. Kris is the best thing that ever happened to the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 06:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Your right Mr. Charlie, if it wasn't for Kris there wouldn't be girl characters. Then they go and replace her with a girl with Mario's overolls and a '''HUGE''' hat. I felt like crying :(
See my page, the part with my pokemon trainers. I'm not going to touch it untill some more info on this "Soul".[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 21:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Scratch that last thing I said, I'll call her Soul Kamon.[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 22:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Titles... ==

Color clashing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Should be better now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== Overhead sprites ==

Think we should add those too? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Old question but sounds like a good idea. However, we need someone able to rip sprites to do that. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 19:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gold's backsprite ==

Why do we even have it there? Anyway,they changed his backsprite,but the article still shows the original one. Is the screenshot to small? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:There are two there already... [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::I meant his Heartgold and Soulsilver backsprite,they changed [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/con01_img04.jpg it],it's slightly different. For example,his hair isn't parted. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I guess it could be one of the first beta things for HGSS, but its still to early to tell, they could change it again--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 04:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

i think we should wait because the back sprite is changing in recent pictures he does not have the symbol on the back of his hat.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 17:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Counterparts for missing ==

May and Dawn needs on their respective webs a section of counterparts like Red, Gold, Kris and Kotone, please sombebody cna do it? --Ash 20:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Wes is one of the few that "doesnt wear head gear" trivia ==

Ummm... I own Colosseum and it shows him wearing silver visors in his hair, and also if you go to his page you can see he's wearing them as headgear in the photo. But, every time I try to remove Wes from that part of the trivia, someone puts him back in...

Visors aren't headgear. They're eyeware. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

== Gold's HGSS Name ==

Until HG and SS are released here (as short a time as that'll be), Gold's HGSS sprite should be titled "Hibiki". Then there's the matter of Silver seemingly being "rival"/"Rival" rather than truly named, but a lack of name rationalizes attributing "Silver" to him my my count (though that's not so much here as it is there, on the rivals' page). [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 01:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:There has been a heap of discussion about these characters' names all over the pedia (for example, here), and the consensus reached is that we ain't touching anything until the games are released. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Protection ==

I personally think we should protect this page considering the Generation V boy and girl heroes have been revealed with little detail for both. The main reason is because I know someone out there will post fake images and ridiculous speculation. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 11:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'd rather we assumed good faith and left it open. We'll see how it goes for now. When the details really start to come out, we can rethink. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, about that, shouldn't somebody put info and pics about BW player characters?

== Stadium characters ==

Do they count as player characters? You honestly don't really play as them, as in moving them or anything, but you do tell your Pokemon what to do, which is the players ability. So you ''technically'' do play as them. Also, they aren't Ethan and Kris. Or even actually, any other protagonist [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 14:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Of course they do. You control them just as much as Lucy Fleetfoot. They are 100% player characters, in my opinion. The fact that you don't walk using them doesn't make them any worse. I think I could upload their faceshots and add them to this article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== What's wrong? ==

I can't see the bottom of this page. It dead-ends after the template with Ranger Characters. Does this happen just to me, or is there something screwed-up in the coding? It doesn't happen when I view older revisions of the article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Works fine for me. I think it's because of all the internal trouble and stuff the the 'pedia's been experiencing recently. It happend to me the other day, on a different page. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 11:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Works because I just fixed it. Someone had added there a HTML comment but forgot to close it... '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Black and White Trainers? ==

I'm a bit surprised they aren't featured here. I understand them not getting their own pages (yet) due to the scarcity of information on them, but I can't even find their images on this site. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

They probably just want to avoid speculation. Personally, I'm just glad the male trainer has a normal hair color. First in Generation III it was white, then in IV it looked purple (although ingame it looked more like black)
On a somewhat related note, does anyone have any idea why the player characters from black and white are older than in previous games?[[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:No Black and White until we actually know something about them. And no opinionated chat here. There are in fact pictures of the BW main characters in the group shot in the article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The male trainer in Generation III has black hair. In the manga, it revealed that the white part was a hat. And if you look closely under the headband, you could see some black hair. ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 06:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC))

== Trivia ==

Does anyone else think it's worth mentioning that each of the main series player characters have a hat of some sort? '''''[[Special:Contributions/Shiny_Rayquaza|→→→]] [[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 02:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I wouldn't count May's as a hat so much as a headband, but since Brendan's is a hat, then I do think it's worth mentioning. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Bah I meant bandanna, not headband. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It would probably better to use the word "headgear", so that the trivia point encompasses all the player characters. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Optional names for <player character> ==

I've made a few templates to replace the old ones on each page. [[User:Takharii/sandbox#'In other languages' template|They're both here]]. Which one does everyone like better? [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 09:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:Colors of the first one on the second design. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon Channel ==
What about Pokemon channel? I know you never see the character, but it is still a game and the name should be mentioned. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Are you sure that the edits by ''Ash Pokemaster‏'' is right? Does this page no longer needed the sprites from previous generations? [[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:Well, there isn't really a need for them. The page was listing all the protagonists. Not listing all their sprites. I somewhat agree with it. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 21:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::If you need sprites you can always use a [http://www.spriters-resource.com/ sprites resource]! Heck, you can even open the article of each character to find them. I don't think there's need for sprites to be placed in every possible article. The article looks much more elegant now, albeit incomplete. :P
::Also, this isn't a perfect design or anything. I just tried to make it look more proper for the wiki, but it still needs work. First of all, there is need for this style to be applied in other characters as well. It would also probably be handy to combine the male the female characters boxes. But either way, I think that it looks fine now. [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 23:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ranger Backs & Main Series ==

First off, anyone got the underwater Ranger backs? And second off, what happened to/was wrong with that proper collection of sprites under characters? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 22:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:See just abobe. :) [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 16:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Typing DS chars ==

They did have some sprites, right? I think they also had some default names, didn't they? They may not be worth their own articles but I think they should definitely be included here. Can anyone who has a copy check their names (and upload sprites, if possible)? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== P+NA ==

is there art of the player characters from Pokémon + Nobunaga's Ambition we could put on here? [[User:Volcronaperson|Volcronaperson]] 00:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes there is. Now it is on this page.

== Black and White 2 Trainers ==

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/

Just thought they should be added to the group shot now that good pics are out. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

== X and Y ==

Do we have a confirmed name here?

http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/screenshots/june_p14_04.jpg

[[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 14:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:It looks likely, but we may need to wait until both are revealed. Xavier does sound like a good name for the male protagonist... [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

::Looks like the X and Y player character's names are Yvonne (girl) and Xavier (boy). '''Seeming they used the boy's name again, I'd say it's highly probable that these are their default names, but I'm not the one to judge, and I think we should still wait a bit longer, just in case.''' [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] ([[User talk:Zarthga|talk]]) 09:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/5b/XY_Prerelease_PSS_battle_1.png

:It feels like you guys might be jumping the gun here. While their names might very well end up being these, there is years of precedence in the Pokemon franchise for pre-release "tentative" player names to later be scrapped altogether for the finished product.

:Not really fond of the mindset of "closest thing to canon right now" being of encyclopedic material. [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 03:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::Not to mention these are not the only names we have seen for these characters, with the latest being Callum and Serena. [[User:Gohan5|Gohan5]] ([[User talk:Gohan5|talk]]) 13:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Those are the Japanese names. Although it should be noted that the Japanese equivalent of those pictures used "X" and "Y" in katakana, so it's very unlikely that those will be the final names. We'll have to wait till tomorrow, I suppose. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::::I would honestly not be surprised at all if Callum and Serena wind up being universal (or partially), given how this is the first time in the history of the series where player characters of the Japanese version are being given distinctive and real non-Japanese names (Western ones, to boot). [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 07:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

:Calem and Serena has been confirmed as the main characters' name in English version.([[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 09:01, 15 June 2013 (UTC))
::Is there a reason we haven't made pages for Calem and Serena yet? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 00:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
::I think we have a misunderstood here, please check the official page of Pokemon, thay only wrote, "Serena or Calem - Your next-door neighbor in Vaniville will set out on a journey just like everyone else, with the goal of becoming a powerful Pokémon Trainer. If your character is a boy, your neighbor will be Serena. If you play as a girl, Calem will be your neighbor." - [[User:Theodorethebear|Theodorethebear]] ([[User talk:Theodorethebear|talk]]) 12:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:::To Vienna Waltz, it's because we don't have that much info on them right now. To Theodorethebear, yes, it does say that. What's your point? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 12:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

== Female Character ==

This page says if the female player is chosen on the [[Crystal]] game pack the female character will appear. But when I chose the male on Crystal the female character still appears. I think when any Crystal game pack is used then the female character will appear. ----[[User:Ethan7|Ethan]] ''([[User talk:Ethan|Talk]])'' 04:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

== Player height and weight ==

*{{ga|Ethan}} was 4'11" tall and weighed 88.2 lbs in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
*{{ga|Lyra}} is 4'11" tall and weighs 90.4 lbs.
*{{ga|Lucas}} is 4'7" (143 cm) tall and weighs 83.8 lbs (38 kg).
*{{ga|Dawn}} is 4'6" (1.40 m) tall and weighs 75 lbs (34 kg).

Those trivia bits are in those articles. I don't know where they came from. (I suspect the [[Pokédex]].) It seems as though we only have it for the [[Generation IV]] protagonists. The function that allowed the player character to be compared to a Pokémon was apparently added in Generation III, according to the Pokédex page, so why isn't it known for {{ga|Red}}, {{ga|Leaf}}, {{ga|Brendan}}, or {{ga|May}}? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
:At least in HGSS, the height and weight for the PCs is physically spelled out, meaning the game tells you outright that the characters are this height and weight (so I suspect it's the same for DPPt). In Ruby and FR (the games I checked), there are only rough silhouette depictions and no numbers (and certainly no weight comparisons). So it's impossible to add anything for the Gen 3 protags that isn't guesswork. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|{{ruby color dark}}|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|R}}{{color2|{{sapphire color dark}}|Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|S}}{{color2|{{emerald color dark}}|Pokémon Emerald Version|E}}{{color2|{{Omega Ruby color dark}}|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|OR}}{{color2|{{Alpha Sapphire color dark}}|Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|AS}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|{{diamond color dark}}|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|D}}{{color2|{{pearl color dark}}|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|P}}{{color2|{{platinum color dark}}|Pokémon Platinum Version|Pt}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|{{black color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions|B}}{{color2|{{white color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions|W}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|{{black 2 color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|B2}}{{color2|{{white 2 color dark}}|Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|W2}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6; {{roundytr|15px}}" | {{color2|{{X color dark}}|Pokémon X and Y|X}}{{color2|{{Y color dark}}|Pokémon X and Y|Y}}
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| colspan="2" style="border: 0px solid #{{red color dark}}; background: #{{red color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:FireRed LeafGreen Red.png|100x100px]]
| colspan="3" style="border: 0px solid #{{gold color dark}}; background: #{{gold color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:HeartGold SoulSilver Ethan.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{ruby color dark}}; background: #{{ruby color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire Brendan.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{diamond color dark}}; background: #{{diamond color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Platinum Lucas.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{black color dark}}; background: #{{black color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Black White Hilbert.png|100x100px]]
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[[File:Black 2 White 2 Nate.png|100x100px]]
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[[File:XY Calem.png|100x100px]]
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| colspan="3" style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Ethan (game)|Ethan}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Brendan (game)|Brendan}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Lucas (game)|Lucas}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Hilbert (game)|Hilbert}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Nate (game)|Nate}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Calem (game)|Calem}}
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| style="border: 0px solid #{{leafgreen color dark}}; background: #{{leafgreen color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:FireRed LeafGreen Leaf.png|100x100px]]
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| style="border: 0px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Crystal Kris.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{soulsilver color dark}}; background: #{{soulsilver color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:HeartGold SoulSilver Lyra.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{sapphire color dark}}; background: #{{sapphire color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire May.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{pearl color dark}}; background: #{{pearl color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Platinum Dawn.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{white color dark}}; background: #{{white color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Black White Hilda.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{white 2 color dark}}; background: #{{white 2 color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:Black 2 White 2 Rosa.png|100x100px]]
| style="border: 0px solid #{{y color dark}}; background: #{{y color light}}; width:84px; height:90px"|
[[File:XY Serena.png|100x100px]]
|- style="font-size: 90%"
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| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Leaf (game)|Leaf}}
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| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Kris (game)|Kris}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Lyra (game)|Lyra}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|May (game)|May}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Dawn (game)|Dawn}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Hilda (game)|Hilda}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6;" | {{color2|000|Rosa (game)|Rosa}}
| style="background:#D1D1E6; {{roundybr|15px}}" | {{color2|000|Serena (game)|Serena}}
|}
[[User:Tester|Tester]] ([[User talk:Tester|talk]]) 12:19, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

== Side Series/Spin Off ==

Why the distinction? I know there's a lot people that wrongly consider Colosseum and XD to be part of the main series, but I see no reason for there to be a distinction between these and the other spinoffs. They do have gameplay closer to that in the main series, but they're hardly the only spinoffs to allow trading to the main games. Seems like a completely arbitrary section. [[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 12:02, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

== Pages for Mystery Dungeon player characters? ==

Could we please have some? And for the partners as well? If there are articles for the player characters of [[Pokémon Conquest]], I don't see why there can't be any for the ones of Mystery Dungeon [[User:N. Harmonik|N. Harmonik]] ([[User talk:N. Harmonik|talk]]) 03:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

== Sun and Moon Player characters ==

The last E3 Suggested that the names of the male and female chacters is Elio and Selene. {{unsigned|Robin Maximo}}
:We won't include information until it's 100% confirmed. It's still not yet clear whether these names are the official ones or are just being used in promotional materials. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I thought that we could use like temporarie names like Scottie in Sawyer´s name, but ok then-- Posted By Robin Maximo[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 20:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Orlando ==

Can we add Orlando from the ORAS Special Demo Version? Surely Orlando should at least be mentioned on this page, especially as his Japanese name is Omega. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] ([[User talk:Kidburla|talk]]) 16:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

== Question ==

I only have a question rather than a suggestion, if this is not the place to do this let me know the right place please, how do you guys discover the names of the player characters, where is released?--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 17:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

:It varies. In some of the older games, the official names were often available as a default if you didn't enter a name, or were used in the game's data to label the characters' sprites and other information. In recent games the characters often go by those names when they are not chosen by the player and appear instead as an NPC, such as with Hilbert, Hilda, Nate, and Rosa (in the Battle Subway) or Calem, Serena, Lucas, Dawn, Brendan, May, Ethan, and Lyra (as rivals/friends of the player). —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:18, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

== What? ==

Can someone please fix the page, someone has screwed it up and I don't know what text to put where in order to fix it. EDIT: It's now been fixed, thanks for whoever did it :) {{unsigned|Sun & Moon}}

== Sun and Moon's Names ==

Are Sun and Moon really the official names? I read somewhere that the opposite player doesn't show up as an NPC, and we don't have either one in the anime so we can't go off of that, and the Dex Holders in Pokémon Adventures are always named after the games, so that's not good either... I think we should discuss it a bit before we decide their names.

[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 06:03, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

:I don't know if they even HAVE official names. But people will surely be looking for information about the player characters of the new games and their role in the story, so in the absence of reliable official names, placeholder names might have to do. "Sun" for the male PC at least has some in-game basis (being the name of the PC in the special demo version), and "Moon" would correspond to that. Of course, discussion is still good—if anyone knows a set of names with better justification, I'm all ears. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:33, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

::I agree that generation I could not be the only one of a kind with the main characters using the names of the game versions/manga version, their names can be Sun & Moon. Especially when we don´t know how to call them.-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 02:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

:::I would actually suggest Elios (Sun) and Selene (Moon) for their placeholder names, since those were their given names in pre-release materials. Red and Leaf are the only player characters to be named after their game (if Kris/Crystal doesn't count), and I don't think they'd go back to that naming pattern now 13 years after the last one. [[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 03:36, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I suggested this names back then but they said it was not 100% confirmed since Calem and Serena already changed names, but they preferred the last names that was used to call then in the demo, Sun & moon, if something important like this is not yet decided editions shouldn´t be locked again ultil it is?-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 03:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
::Since Calem and Serena's names were '''X'''avier and '''Y'''vonne, it's likely those were meant to be like the names of their games, X & Y but a little more subtle. Elios and Selene at the moment also sound like that as they are from greek mythology, (H)elios and Selene being the titans of the sun and moon respectively.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]04:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

From what I've seen, Sun and Moon are the most common names for the player characters. They' names of the games have been used before for PC names, so I see no reason why that naming pattern can't be used again, and those are the names used in the manga. Since the characters don't appear in the games unless you select them, I think that's as close to official names as we're going to get. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 04:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

So Helio and Selene are not acceptable? I think that pattern may return as well cause the pokémon franchise never(or at the eyes of somes at least changes)follows patterns, can´t see why they will always follow in this aspect, i have to disagree with the argument of the manga though since until today i(and i think most part of the fans) don´t see whi-two for example as an actual name to call, thank god we have Rosa, Sun & Moon is still acceptable too.--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 05:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I never said Helio and Selene weren't acceptable. They're just isn't as much evidence for them. Sun is the name used in the demo. It is also the name used in the manga. Are these the most reliable sources? No, but they're the closest things to an official source we have. Unlike previous games, they don't appear as NPCs when we choose the opposite gender, so we can't rely on the games themselves. As for Moon, that is the name used in the manga for the female character, and Moon is the opposite of Sun, so it fits. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 05:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:Never go with the Adventures manga for the games' player characters' official names, they use the name of the games themselves for those characters, (with only two exceptions, but their names are quite close to their games' title, only missing a couple of letters). The female protagonist that appears with the Rotom hasn't been named yet in the manga (though likely it will be Moon), and they might pull a twist again like in the Diamond and Pearl chapter.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]05:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Considering the history up until this point, it's a safe bet it will be Moon. As for their reliability, I already said they are not the most reliable sources, but the names in the Manga and the Demo are the closest things we have to an official name. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 06:23, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

It seems like the problem of Firered & Leafgreen, how do you guys determined Leaf´s name? And i´m sorry for losing the tracks but what twist did we had in DP? I´d like to know a little more about it(principally because i started to play in this generation), it may help us resolve the problem, to get it even worse it doesn´t sound like the female character at least will appear in the anime just like Leaf, Yellow and Hilda(and Rosa but at least she appearred in the trailer).-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 07:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:The twist in DP is that they left Platinum nameless, referred only as Lady, during their trip up until the point when the Platinum game version was announced. Which by that point they official gave her that name.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]08:24, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Despite being obvious i didn´t realize that was happening that time, it´s impressive, but i don´t think it will be a twist like that one this time, i think the only reason they did this is because DP manga would lack a female main character.-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 20:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

It looks like we're going to have to do what we did with Kris and Leaf: use the most commonly used name amongst fans and/or the placeholder names on the games's ROM. I'm pretty sure that the placeholder names are Sun for the boy and Moon for the girl, which are also the most common names I've found when searching the web. Should I go ahead and add those to the article, or do we need to wait a little longer? [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 06:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

== Black and White, Black 2 and White 2 ==

So in the newest Pokemon Genrations Hilbert is seen with Zekrom meaning he is the hero of White. Yes I know the protagonists that appear in the show are supposed to represent the average player but so do the playable characters. So is he? That means that Hilda and Rosa are the heroes of Black and Black 2 and Hilbert and Nate are the heroes of White and White 2. Or is it opposite genders? Hilda and Nate, Hilbert and Rosa? {{unsigned|Sun & Moon}}

:...It's both of them. Generations doesn't line up completely with the games' canon. [[User:TechSkylander1518|TechSkylander1518]] ([[User talk:TechSkylander1518|talk]]) 05:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Player character

2016-12-03T06:23:51Z

Toolen: /* Sun and Moon's Names */

I suggest merge of [[Player character]] and [[Rival]], as well as categorisation according to the game instead of the Region. Also, I believe Pokemon Ranger characters should be added as main characters, considering that Pokemon Ranger is actually a main Pokemon Game.

Anyone have the Emerald sprite of May? [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-Z''']][ 14:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:And again that request is made. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Re-write? ==

Does anyone else think this article needs a re-write? [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:Do you have a reason? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:It seems kinda... messy. It's not that hard really explain how a player character works in a video game. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 02:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Backsprites ==

I was thinking that we could take a page from the Pokémon pages and find the backsprites of the player characters as well as the partner characters (like Steven and Buck).--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 03:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Mentioning of Player in Mystery Dungeon? ==

There's not really much more to say... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or the player in Trozei (being the user him/herself). Or in any of the other games, for that matter. What about Snap? I feel like this should be a stub. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 05:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, the player in Trozei (or Link, as we call it over here) is [[Lucy Fleetfoot]]. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 17:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::And that's a stub, if I've ever seen one. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== *COUGH* ==

Why do we need backsprites?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have them for Pokémon. So why not characters.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because it made the page wayyy to big. Maybe if we didn't just have one, but all of those broken links look just awful.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::We could resize them. We also have broken links on the Pokémon pages IMHO, it just lets someone know that the images should be created.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Resize? Eww. Only one Pokémon even does that, and it's Deoxys. Perhaps I'll do a hack of the sprite template that'll allow for it. Or you can. I dunno. Yeah. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I might be able to. what exactly do you mean?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Michael and What's his name... ==

What about side game characters? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:Lunick, Solana, the players in PMD, yeah they should go here. And if they do, the part about being remarkably silent doesn't apply to PMD.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Dawn and Luca's Platinum sprites ==

They're not uploaded yet,right? Can someone upload them? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Two little things ==

Couldn't the table also hold the overworld sprite for each character? I don't think they appear anywhere else. Also, HgSs will require another column for Gold and Kris, should I change it? [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 03:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gamecube game characters? ==

What about Wes and Michael? I see no reason for them to be excluded. Sure, we wouldn't have as many pictures since they appear in 3D games, but I really can't consider those games to be side-games. They're full-fledged Pokemon RPGs, just like the handhelds. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Umm...already stated... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Missed it due to the lack of pictures. Nevermind. Sorry. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ranger ==

Shouldn't we list the player characters in Ranger? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I will. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== The new girl ==

Since we're not getting Kris back, as she's more a Crystal character than a GS (and by extension, HGSS) character, what should we name the new girl since we don't know her name and likely won't be getting it?

I say Soul, since, like Leaf, she'll likely be named for the prefix of the secondary remake game, while her male counterpart is the primary original game (Gold, like Red) and her rival is the secondary original game (Silver, like Blue/Green).

Should we make an article yet, though? I've protected both Heart and {{ga|Soul}} until the tenth anniversary of GS, so... no need to worry there. Plus, we can move it when and if we get her real name either via hacking the games to pieces or because they actually '''give her one outright'''. But it never happened to Leaf, so... we'll just wait to see, eh?

So, below, vote: make it, don't make it, and under what name? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:There are still some arguments that she is Kris but with a major redesign. Kinda like Red in FRLG. But I don't know. I say Soul because of the reason you stated (even though I like Heart better). Make it under {{ga|Soul}}. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

::Let's wait till the game is released. An opposite-gender player will have a supporting role, which means there'll be a fixed name for her. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 05:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, we shouldn't wait six months to make an article about a character from the Pokémon games. I like Soul, but make sure that it is noted that until confirmation it is a fan name. When CoroCoro comes out I'll have at it and see if it is noted anywhere amidst the crazyness.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 05:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maxim... that's for Gen III and IV games. HGSS is a Gen II game (technically). Where was Leaf's supporting role? Did I somehow ''miss her'' in FireRed, despite completing the game 100%? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::: My vote goes for making an article, or at least starting one that we can move to the proper place when the name is revealed. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 06:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::I vote for making the article. Call it Soul or whatever you want, see if I care. I'm too upset with the decision of erasing Kris from the Pokémon World to even bother. Kris is the best thing that ever happened to the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 06:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Your right Mr. Charlie, if it wasn't for Kris there wouldn't be girl characters. Then they go and replace her with a girl with Mario's overolls and a '''HUGE''' hat. I felt like crying :(
See my page, the part with my pokemon trainers. I'm not going to touch it untill some more info on this "Soul".[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 21:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Scratch that last thing I said, I'll call her Soul Kamon.[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 22:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Titles... ==

Color clashing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Should be better now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== Overhead sprites ==

Think we should add those too? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Old question but sounds like a good idea. However, we need someone able to rip sprites to do that. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 19:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gold's backsprite ==

Why do we even have it there? Anyway,they changed his backsprite,but the article still shows the original one. Is the screenshot to small? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:There are two there already... [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::I meant his Heartgold and Soulsilver backsprite,they changed [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/con01_img04.jpg it],it's slightly different. For example,his hair isn't parted. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I guess it could be one of the first beta things for HGSS, but its still to early to tell, they could change it again--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 04:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

i think we should wait because the back sprite is changing in recent pictures he does not have the symbol on the back of his hat.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 17:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Counterparts for missing ==

May and Dawn needs on their respective webs a section of counterparts like Red, Gold, Kris and Kotone, please sombebody cna do it? --Ash 20:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Wes is one of the few that "doesnt wear head gear" trivia ==

Ummm... I own Colosseum and it shows him wearing silver visors in his hair, and also if you go to his page you can see he's wearing them as headgear in the photo. But, every time I try to remove Wes from that part of the trivia, someone puts him back in...

Visors aren't headgear. They're eyeware. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

== Gold's HGSS Name ==

Until HG and SS are released here (as short a time as that'll be), Gold's HGSS sprite should be titled "Hibiki". Then there's the matter of Silver seemingly being "rival"/"Rival" rather than truly named, but a lack of name rationalizes attributing "Silver" to him my my count (though that's not so much here as it is there, on the rivals' page). [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 01:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:There has been a heap of discussion about these characters' names all over the pedia (for example, here), and the consensus reached is that we ain't touching anything until the games are released. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Protection ==

I personally think we should protect this page considering the Generation V boy and girl heroes have been revealed with little detail for both. The main reason is because I know someone out there will post fake images and ridiculous speculation. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 11:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'd rather we assumed good faith and left it open. We'll see how it goes for now. When the details really start to come out, we can rethink. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, about that, shouldn't somebody put info and pics about BW player characters?

== Stadium characters ==

Do they count as player characters? You honestly don't really play as them, as in moving them or anything, but you do tell your Pokemon what to do, which is the players ability. So you ''technically'' do play as them. Also, they aren't Ethan and Kris. Or even actually, any other protagonist [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 14:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Of course they do. You control them just as much as Lucy Fleetfoot. They are 100% player characters, in my opinion. The fact that you don't walk using them doesn't make them any worse. I think I could upload their faceshots and add them to this article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== What's wrong? ==

I can't see the bottom of this page. It dead-ends after the template with Ranger Characters. Does this happen just to me, or is there something screwed-up in the coding? It doesn't happen when I view older revisions of the article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Works fine for me. I think it's because of all the internal trouble and stuff the the 'pedia's been experiencing recently. It happend to me the other day, on a different page. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 11:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Works because I just fixed it. Someone had added there a HTML comment but forgot to close it... '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Black and White Trainers? ==

I'm a bit surprised they aren't featured here. I understand them not getting their own pages (yet) due to the scarcity of information on them, but I can't even find their images on this site. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

They probably just want to avoid speculation. Personally, I'm just glad the male trainer has a normal hair color. First in Generation III it was white, then in IV it looked purple (although ingame it looked more like black)
On a somewhat related note, does anyone have any idea why the player characters from black and white are older than in previous games?[[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:No Black and White until we actually know something about them. And no opinionated chat here. There are in fact pictures of the BW main characters in the group shot in the article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The male trainer in Generation III has black hair. In the manga, it revealed that the white part was a hat. And if you look closely under the headband, you could see some black hair. ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 06:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC))

== Trivia ==

Does anyone else think it's worth mentioning that each of the main series player characters have a hat of some sort? '''''[[Special:Contributions/Shiny_Rayquaza|→→→]] [[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 02:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I wouldn't count May's as a hat so much as a headband, but since Brendan's is a hat, then I do think it's worth mentioning. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Bah I meant bandanna, not headband. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It would probably better to use the word "headgear", so that the trivia point encompasses all the player characters. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Optional names for <player character> ==

I've made a few templates to replace the old ones on each page. [[User:Takharii/sandbox#'In other languages' template|They're both here]]. Which one does everyone like better? [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 09:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:Colors of the first one on the second design. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon Channel ==
What about Pokemon channel? I know you never see the character, but it is still a game and the name should be mentioned. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Are you sure that the edits by ''Ash Pokemaster‏'' is right? Does this page no longer needed the sprites from previous generations? [[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:Well, there isn't really a need for them. The page was listing all the protagonists. Not listing all their sprites. I somewhat agree with it. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 21:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::If you need sprites you can always use a [http://www.spriters-resource.com/ sprites resource]! Heck, you can even open the article of each character to find them. I don't think there's need for sprites to be placed in every possible article. The article looks much more elegant now, albeit incomplete. :P
::Also, this isn't a perfect design or anything. I just tried to make it look more proper for the wiki, but it still needs work. First of all, there is need for this style to be applied in other characters as well. It would also probably be handy to combine the male the female characters boxes. But either way, I think that it looks fine now. [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 23:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ranger Backs & Main Series ==

First off, anyone got the underwater Ranger backs? And second off, what happened to/was wrong with that proper collection of sprites under characters? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 22:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:See just abobe. :) [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 16:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Typing DS chars ==

They did have some sprites, right? I think they also had some default names, didn't they? They may not be worth their own articles but I think they should definitely be included here. Can anyone who has a copy check their names (and upload sprites, if possible)? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== P+NA ==

is there art of the player characters from Pokémon + Nobunaga's Ambition we could put on here? [[User:Volcronaperson|Volcronaperson]] 00:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes there is. Now it is on this page.

== Black and White 2 Trainers ==

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/

Just thought they should be added to the group shot now that good pics are out. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

== X and Y ==

Do we have a confirmed name here?

http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/screenshots/june_p14_04.jpg

[[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 14:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:It looks likely, but we may need to wait until both are revealed. Xavier does sound like a good name for the male protagonist... [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

::Looks like the X and Y player character's names are Yvonne (girl) and Xavier (boy). '''Seeming they used the boy's name again, I'd say it's highly probable that these are their default names, but I'm not the one to judge, and I think we should still wait a bit longer, just in case.''' [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] ([[User talk:Zarthga|talk]]) 09:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/5b/XY_Prerelease_PSS_battle_1.png

:It feels like you guys might be jumping the gun here. While their names might very well end up being these, there is years of precedence in the Pokemon franchise for pre-release "tentative" player names to later be scrapped altogether for the finished product.

:Not really fond of the mindset of "closest thing to canon right now" being of encyclopedic material. [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 03:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::Not to mention these are not the only names we have seen for these characters, with the latest being Callum and Serena. [[User:Gohan5|Gohan5]] ([[User talk:Gohan5|talk]]) 13:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Those are the Japanese names. Although it should be noted that the Japanese equivalent of those pictures used "X" and "Y" in katakana, so it's very unlikely that those will be the final names. We'll have to wait till tomorrow, I suppose. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::::I would honestly not be surprised at all if Callum and Serena wind up being universal (or partially), given how this is the first time in the history of the series where player characters of the Japanese version are being given distinctive and real non-Japanese names (Western ones, to boot). [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 07:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

:Calem and Serena has been confirmed as the main characters' name in English version.([[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 09:01, 15 June 2013 (UTC))
::Is there a reason we haven't made pages for Calem and Serena yet? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 00:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
::I think we have a misunderstood here, please check the official page of Pokemon, thay only wrote, "Serena or Calem - Your next-door neighbor in Vaniville will set out on a journey just like everyone else, with the goal of becoming a powerful Pokémon Trainer. If your character is a boy, your neighbor will be Serena. If you play as a girl, Calem will be your neighbor." - [[User:Theodorethebear|Theodorethebear]] ([[User talk:Theodorethebear|talk]]) 12:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:::To Vienna Waltz, it's because we don't have that much info on them right now. To Theodorethebear, yes, it does say that. What's your point? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 12:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

== Female Character ==

This page says if the female player is chosen on the [[Crystal]] game pack the female character will appear. But when I chose the male on Crystal the female character still appears. I think when any Crystal game pack is used then the female character will appear. ----[[User:Ethan7|Ethan]] ''([[User talk:Ethan|Talk]])'' 04:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

== Player height and weight ==

*{{ga|Ethan}} was 4'11" tall and weighed 88.2 lbs in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
*{{ga|Lyra}} is 4'11" tall and weighs 90.4 lbs.
*{{ga|Lucas}} is 4'7" (143 cm) tall and weighs 83.8 lbs (38 kg).
*{{ga|Dawn}} is 4'6" (1.40 m) tall and weighs 75 lbs (34 kg).

Those trivia bits are in those articles. I don't know where they came from. (I suspect the [[Pokédex]].) It seems as though we only have it for the [[Generation IV]] protagonists. The function that allowed the player character to be compared to a Pokémon was apparently added in Generation III, according to the Pokédex page, so why isn't it known for {{ga|Red}}, {{ga|Leaf}}, {{ga|Brendan}}, or {{ga|May}}? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
:At least in HGSS, the height and weight for the PCs is physically spelled out, meaning the game tells you outright that the characters are this height and weight (so I suspect it's the same for DPPt). In Ruby and FR (the games I checked), there are only rough silhouette depictions and no numbers (and certainly no weight comparisons). So it's impossible to add anything for the Gen 3 protags that isn't guesswork. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

== Suggestion ==

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== Side Series/Spin Off ==

Why the distinction? I know there's a lot people that wrongly consider Colosseum and XD to be part of the main series, but I see no reason for there to be a distinction between these and the other spinoffs. They do have gameplay closer to that in the main series, but they're hardly the only spinoffs to allow trading to the main games. Seems like a completely arbitrary section. [[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 12:02, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

== Pages for Mystery Dungeon player characters? ==

Could we please have some? And for the partners as well? If there are articles for the player characters of [[Pokémon Conquest]], I don't see why there can't be any for the ones of Mystery Dungeon [[User:N. Harmonik|N. Harmonik]] ([[User talk:N. Harmonik|talk]]) 03:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

== Sun and Moon Player characters ==

The last E3 Suggested that the names of the male and female chacters is Elio and Selene. {{unsigned|Robin Maximo}}
:We won't include information until it's 100% confirmed. It's still not yet clear whether these names are the official ones or are just being used in promotional materials. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I thought that we could use like temporarie names like Scottie in Sawyer´s name, but ok then-- Posted By Robin Maximo[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 20:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Orlando ==

Can we add Orlando from the ORAS Special Demo Version? Surely Orlando should at least be mentioned on this page, especially as his Japanese name is Omega. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] ([[User talk:Kidburla|talk]]) 16:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

== Question ==

I only have a question rather than a suggestion, if this is not the place to do this let me know the right place please, how do you guys discover the names of the player characters, where is released?--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 17:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

:It varies. In some of the older games, the official names were often available as a default if you didn't enter a name, or were used in the game's data to label the characters' sprites and other information. In recent games the characters often go by those names when they are not chosen by the player and appear instead as an NPC, such as with Hilbert, Hilda, Nate, and Rosa (in the Battle Subway) or Calem, Serena, Lucas, Dawn, Brendan, May, Ethan, and Lyra (as rivals/friends of the player). —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:18, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

== What? ==

Can someone please fix the page, someone has screwed it up and I don't know what text to put where in order to fix it. EDIT: It's now been fixed, thanks for whoever did it :) {{unsigned|Sun & Moon}}

== Sun and Moon's Names ==

Are Sun and Moon really the official names? I read somewhere that the opposite player doesn't show up as an NPC, and we don't have either one in the anime so we can't go off of that, and the Dex Holders in Pokémon Adventures are always named after the games, so that's not good either... I think we should discuss it a bit before we decide their names.

[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 06:03, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

:I don't know if they even HAVE official names. But people will surely be looking for information about the player characters of the new games and their role in the story, so in the absence of reliable official names, placeholder names might have to do. "Sun" for the male PC at least has some in-game basis (being the name of the PC in the special demo version), and "Moon" would correspond to that. Of course, discussion is still good—if anyone knows a set of names with better justification, I'm all ears. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:33, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

::I agree that generation I could not be the only one of a kind with the main characters using the names of the game versions/manga version, their names can be Sun & Moon. Especially when we don´t know how to call them.-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 02:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

:::I would actually suggest Elios (Sun) and Selene (Moon) for their placeholder names, since those were their given names in pre-release materials. Red and Leaf are the only player characters to be named after their game (if Kris/Crystal doesn't count), and I don't think they'd go back to that naming pattern now 13 years after the last one. [[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 03:36, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I suggested this names back then but they said it was not 100% confirmed since Calem and Serena already changed names, but they preferred the last names that was used to call then in the demo, Sun & moon, if something important like this is not yet decided editions shouldn´t be locked again ultil it is?-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 03:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
::Since Calem and Serena's names were '''X'''avier and '''Y'''vonne, it's likely those were meant to be like the names of their games, X & Y but a little more subtle. Elios and Selene at the moment also sound like that as they are from greek mythology, (H)elios and Selene being the titans of the sun and moon respectively.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]04:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

From what I've seen, Sun and Moon are the most common names for the player characters. They' names of the games have been used before for PC names, so I see no reason why that naming pattern can't be used again, and those are the names used in the manga. Since the characters don't appear in the games unless you select them, I think that's as close to official names as we're going to get. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 04:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

So Helio and Selene are not acceptable? I think that pattern may return as well cause the pokémon franchise never(or at the eyes of somes at least changes)follows patterns, can´t see why they will always follow in this aspect, i have to disagree with the argument of the manga though since until today i(and i think most part of the fans) don´t see whi-two for example as an actual name to call, thank god we have Rosa, Sun & Moon is still acceptable too.--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 05:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I never said Helio and Selene weren't acceptable. They're just isn't as much evidence for them. Sun is the name used in the demo. It is also the name used in the manga. Are these the most reliable sources? No, but they're the closest things to an official source we have. Unlike previous games, they don't appear as NPCs when we choose the opposite gender, so we can't rely on the games themselves. As for Moon, that is the name used in the manga for the female character, and Moon is the opposite of Sun, so it fits. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 05:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:Never go with the Adventures manga for the games' player characters' official names, they use the name of the games themselves for those characters, (with only two exceptions, but their names are quite close to their games' title, only missing a couple of letters). The female protagonist that appears with the Rotom hasn't been named yet in the manga (though likely it will be Moon), and they might pull a twist again like in the Diamond and Pearl chapter.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]05:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Considering the history up until this point, it's a safe bet it will be Moon. As for their reliability, I already said they are not the most reliable sources, but the names in the Manga and the Demo are the closest things we have to an official name. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 06:23, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

== Black and White, Black 2 and White 2 ==

So in the newest Pokemon Genrations Hilbert is seen with Zekrom meaning he is the hero of White. Yes I know the protagonists that appear in the show are supposed to represent the average player but so do the playable characters. So is he? That means that Hilda and Rosa are the heroes of Black and Black 2 and Hilbert and Nate are the heroes of White and White 2. Or is it opposite genders? Hilda and Nate, Hilbert and Rosa?

:...It's both of them. Generations doesn't line up completely with the games' canon. [[User:TechSkylander1518|TechSkylander1518]] ([[User talk:TechSkylander1518|talk]]) 05:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Player character

2016-12-03T05:52:48Z

Toolen: /* Sun and Moon's Names */

I suggest merge of [[Player character]] and [[Rival]], as well as categorisation according to the game instead of the Region. Also, I believe Pokemon Ranger characters should be added as main characters, considering that Pokemon Ranger is actually a main Pokemon Game.

Anyone have the Emerald sprite of May? [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-Z''']][ 14:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:And again that request is made. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Re-write? ==

Does anyone else think this article needs a re-write? [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:Do you have a reason? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:It seems kinda... messy. It's not that hard really explain how a player character works in a video game. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 02:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Backsprites ==

I was thinking that we could take a page from the Pokémon pages and find the backsprites of the player characters as well as the partner characters (like Steven and Buck).--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 03:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Mentioning of Player in Mystery Dungeon? ==

There's not really much more to say... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or the player in Trozei (being the user him/herself). Or in any of the other games, for that matter. What about Snap? I feel like this should be a stub. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 05:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, the player in Trozei (or Link, as we call it over here) is [[Lucy Fleetfoot]]. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 17:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::And that's a stub, if I've ever seen one. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== *COUGH* ==

Why do we need backsprites?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have them for Pokémon. So why not characters.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because it made the page wayyy to big. Maybe if we didn't just have one, but all of those broken links look just awful.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::We could resize them. We also have broken links on the Pokémon pages IMHO, it just lets someone know that the images should be created.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Resize? Eww. Only one Pokémon even does that, and it's Deoxys. Perhaps I'll do a hack of the sprite template that'll allow for it. Or you can. I dunno. Yeah. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I might be able to. what exactly do you mean?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Michael and What's his name... ==

What about side game characters? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:Lunick, Solana, the players in PMD, yeah they should go here. And if they do, the part about being remarkably silent doesn't apply to PMD.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Dawn and Luca's Platinum sprites ==

They're not uploaded yet,right? Can someone upload them? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Two little things ==

Couldn't the table also hold the overworld sprite for each character? I don't think they appear anywhere else. Also, HgSs will require another column for Gold and Kris, should I change it? [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 03:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gamecube game characters? ==

What about Wes and Michael? I see no reason for them to be excluded. Sure, we wouldn't have as many pictures since they appear in 3D games, but I really can't consider those games to be side-games. They're full-fledged Pokemon RPGs, just like the handhelds. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Umm...already stated... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Missed it due to the lack of pictures. Nevermind. Sorry. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ranger ==

Shouldn't we list the player characters in Ranger? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I will. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== The new girl ==

Since we're not getting Kris back, as she's more a Crystal character than a GS (and by extension, HGSS) character, what should we name the new girl since we don't know her name and likely won't be getting it?

I say Soul, since, like Leaf, she'll likely be named for the prefix of the secondary remake game, while her male counterpart is the primary original game (Gold, like Red) and her rival is the secondary original game (Silver, like Blue/Green).

Should we make an article yet, though? I've protected both Heart and {{ga|Soul}} until the tenth anniversary of GS, so... no need to worry there. Plus, we can move it when and if we get her real name either via hacking the games to pieces or because they actually '''give her one outright'''. But it never happened to Leaf, so... we'll just wait to see, eh?

So, below, vote: make it, don't make it, and under what name? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:There are still some arguments that she is Kris but with a major redesign. Kinda like Red in FRLG. But I don't know. I say Soul because of the reason you stated (even though I like Heart better). Make it under {{ga|Soul}}. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

::Let's wait till the game is released. An opposite-gender player will have a supporting role, which means there'll be a fixed name for her. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 05:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, we shouldn't wait six months to make an article about a character from the Pokémon games. I like Soul, but make sure that it is noted that until confirmation it is a fan name. When CoroCoro comes out I'll have at it and see if it is noted anywhere amidst the crazyness.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 05:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maxim... that's for Gen III and IV games. HGSS is a Gen II game (technically). Where was Leaf's supporting role? Did I somehow ''miss her'' in FireRed, despite completing the game 100%? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::: My vote goes for making an article, or at least starting one that we can move to the proper place when the name is revealed. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 06:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::I vote for making the article. Call it Soul or whatever you want, see if I care. I'm too upset with the decision of erasing Kris from the Pokémon World to even bother. Kris is the best thing that ever happened to the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 06:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Your right Mr. Charlie, if it wasn't for Kris there wouldn't be girl characters. Then they go and replace her with a girl with Mario's overolls and a '''HUGE''' hat. I felt like crying :(
See my page, the part with my pokemon trainers. I'm not going to touch it untill some more info on this "Soul".[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 21:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Scratch that last thing I said, I'll call her Soul Kamon.[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 22:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Titles... ==

Color clashing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Should be better now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== Overhead sprites ==

Think we should add those too? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Old question but sounds like a good idea. However, we need someone able to rip sprites to do that. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 19:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gold's backsprite ==

Why do we even have it there? Anyway,they changed his backsprite,but the article still shows the original one. Is the screenshot to small? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:There are two there already... [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::I meant his Heartgold and Soulsilver backsprite,they changed [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/con01_img04.jpg it],it's slightly different. For example,his hair isn't parted. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I guess it could be one of the first beta things for HGSS, but its still to early to tell, they could change it again--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 04:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

i think we should wait because the back sprite is changing in recent pictures he does not have the symbol on the back of his hat.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 17:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Counterparts for missing ==

May and Dawn needs on their respective webs a section of counterparts like Red, Gold, Kris and Kotone, please sombebody cna do it? --Ash 20:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Wes is one of the few that "doesnt wear head gear" trivia ==

Ummm... I own Colosseum and it shows him wearing silver visors in his hair, and also if you go to his page you can see he's wearing them as headgear in the photo. But, every time I try to remove Wes from that part of the trivia, someone puts him back in...

Visors aren't headgear. They're eyeware. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

== Gold's HGSS Name ==

Until HG and SS are released here (as short a time as that'll be), Gold's HGSS sprite should be titled "Hibiki". Then there's the matter of Silver seemingly being "rival"/"Rival" rather than truly named, but a lack of name rationalizes attributing "Silver" to him my my count (though that's not so much here as it is there, on the rivals' page). [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 01:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:There has been a heap of discussion about these characters' names all over the pedia (for example, here), and the consensus reached is that we ain't touching anything until the games are released. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Protection ==

I personally think we should protect this page considering the Generation V boy and girl heroes have been revealed with little detail for both. The main reason is because I know someone out there will post fake images and ridiculous speculation. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 11:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'd rather we assumed good faith and left it open. We'll see how it goes for now. When the details really start to come out, we can rethink. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, about that, shouldn't somebody put info and pics about BW player characters?

== Stadium characters ==

Do they count as player characters? You honestly don't really play as them, as in moving them or anything, but you do tell your Pokemon what to do, which is the players ability. So you ''technically'' do play as them. Also, they aren't Ethan and Kris. Or even actually, any other protagonist [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 14:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Of course they do. You control them just as much as Lucy Fleetfoot. They are 100% player characters, in my opinion. The fact that you don't walk using them doesn't make them any worse. I think I could upload their faceshots and add them to this article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== What's wrong? ==

I can't see the bottom of this page. It dead-ends after the template with Ranger Characters. Does this happen just to me, or is there something screwed-up in the coding? It doesn't happen when I view older revisions of the article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Works fine for me. I think it's because of all the internal trouble and stuff the the 'pedia's been experiencing recently. It happend to me the other day, on a different page. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 11:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Works because I just fixed it. Someone had added there a HTML comment but forgot to close it... '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Black and White Trainers? ==

I'm a bit surprised they aren't featured here. I understand them not getting their own pages (yet) due to the scarcity of information on them, but I can't even find their images on this site. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

They probably just want to avoid speculation. Personally, I'm just glad the male trainer has a normal hair color. First in Generation III it was white, then in IV it looked purple (although ingame it looked more like black)
On a somewhat related note, does anyone have any idea why the player characters from black and white are older than in previous games?[[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:No Black and White until we actually know something about them. And no opinionated chat here. There are in fact pictures of the BW main characters in the group shot in the article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The male trainer in Generation III has black hair. In the manga, it revealed that the white part was a hat. And if you look closely under the headband, you could see some black hair. ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 06:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC))

== Trivia ==

Does anyone else think it's worth mentioning that each of the main series player characters have a hat of some sort? '''''[[Special:Contributions/Shiny_Rayquaza|→→→]] [[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 02:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I wouldn't count May's as a hat so much as a headband, but since Brendan's is a hat, then I do think it's worth mentioning. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Bah I meant bandanna, not headband. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It would probably better to use the word "headgear", so that the trivia point encompasses all the player characters. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Optional names for <player character> ==

I've made a few templates to replace the old ones on each page. [[User:Takharii/sandbox#'In other languages' template|They're both here]]. Which one does everyone like better? [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 09:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:Colors of the first one on the second design. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon Channel ==
What about Pokemon channel? I know you never see the character, but it is still a game and the name should be mentioned. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Are you sure that the edits by ''Ash Pokemaster‏'' is right? Does this page no longer needed the sprites from previous generations? [[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:Well, there isn't really a need for them. The page was listing all the protagonists. Not listing all their sprites. I somewhat agree with it. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 21:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::If you need sprites you can always use a [http://www.spriters-resource.com/ sprites resource]! Heck, you can even open the article of each character to find them. I don't think there's need for sprites to be placed in every possible article. The article looks much more elegant now, albeit incomplete. :P
::Also, this isn't a perfect design or anything. I just tried to make it look more proper for the wiki, but it still needs work. First of all, there is need for this style to be applied in other characters as well. It would also probably be handy to combine the male the female characters boxes. But either way, I think that it looks fine now. [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 23:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ranger Backs & Main Series ==

First off, anyone got the underwater Ranger backs? And second off, what happened to/was wrong with that proper collection of sprites under characters? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 22:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:See just abobe. :) [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 16:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Typing DS chars ==

They did have some sprites, right? I think they also had some default names, didn't they? They may not be worth their own articles but I think they should definitely be included here. Can anyone who has a copy check their names (and upload sprites, if possible)? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== P+NA ==

is there art of the player characters from Pokémon + Nobunaga's Ambition we could put on here? [[User:Volcronaperson|Volcronaperson]] 00:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes there is. Now it is on this page.

== Black and White 2 Trainers ==

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/

Just thought they should be added to the group shot now that good pics are out. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

== X and Y ==

Do we have a confirmed name here?

http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/screenshots/june_p14_04.jpg

[[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 14:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:It looks likely, but we may need to wait until both are revealed. Xavier does sound like a good name for the male protagonist... [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

::Looks like the X and Y player character's names are Yvonne (girl) and Xavier (boy). '''Seeming they used the boy's name again, I'd say it's highly probable that these are their default names, but I'm not the one to judge, and I think we should still wait a bit longer, just in case.''' [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] ([[User talk:Zarthga|talk]]) 09:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/5b/XY_Prerelease_PSS_battle_1.png

:It feels like you guys might be jumping the gun here. While their names might very well end up being these, there is years of precedence in the Pokemon franchise for pre-release "tentative" player names to later be scrapped altogether for the finished product.

:Not really fond of the mindset of "closest thing to canon right now" being of encyclopedic material. [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 03:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::Not to mention these are not the only names we have seen for these characters, with the latest being Callum and Serena. [[User:Gohan5|Gohan5]] ([[User talk:Gohan5|talk]]) 13:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Those are the Japanese names. Although it should be noted that the Japanese equivalent of those pictures used "X" and "Y" in katakana, so it's very unlikely that those will be the final names. We'll have to wait till tomorrow, I suppose. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::::I would honestly not be surprised at all if Callum and Serena wind up being universal (or partially), given how this is the first time in the history of the series where player characters of the Japanese version are being given distinctive and real non-Japanese names (Western ones, to boot). [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 07:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

:Calem and Serena has been confirmed as the main characters' name in English version.([[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 09:01, 15 June 2013 (UTC))
::Is there a reason we haven't made pages for Calem and Serena yet? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 00:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
::I think we have a misunderstood here, please check the official page of Pokemon, thay only wrote, "Serena or Calem - Your next-door neighbor in Vaniville will set out on a journey just like everyone else, with the goal of becoming a powerful Pokémon Trainer. If your character is a boy, your neighbor will be Serena. If you play as a girl, Calem will be your neighbor." - [[User:Theodorethebear|Theodorethebear]] ([[User talk:Theodorethebear|talk]]) 12:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:::To Vienna Waltz, it's because we don't have that much info on them right now. To Theodorethebear, yes, it does say that. What's your point? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 12:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

== Female Character ==

This page says if the female player is chosen on the [[Crystal]] game pack the female character will appear. But when I chose the male on Crystal the female character still appears. I think when any Crystal game pack is used then the female character will appear. ----[[User:Ethan7|Ethan]] ''([[User talk:Ethan|Talk]])'' 04:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

== Player height and weight ==

*{{ga|Ethan}} was 4'11" tall and weighed 88.2 lbs in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
*{{ga|Lyra}} is 4'11" tall and weighs 90.4 lbs.
*{{ga|Lucas}} is 4'7" (143 cm) tall and weighs 83.8 lbs (38 kg).
*{{ga|Dawn}} is 4'6" (1.40 m) tall and weighs 75 lbs (34 kg).

Those trivia bits are in those articles. I don't know where they came from. (I suspect the [[Pokédex]].) It seems as though we only have it for the [[Generation IV]] protagonists. The function that allowed the player character to be compared to a Pokémon was apparently added in Generation III, according to the Pokédex page, so why isn't it known for {{ga|Red}}, {{ga|Leaf}}, {{ga|Brendan}}, or {{ga|May}}? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
:At least in HGSS, the height and weight for the PCs is physically spelled out, meaning the game tells you outright that the characters are this height and weight (so I suspect it's the same for DPPt). In Ruby and FR (the games I checked), there are only rough silhouette depictions and no numbers (and certainly no weight comparisons). So it's impossible to add anything for the Gen 3 protags that isn't guesswork. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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[[User:Tester|Tester]] ([[User talk:Tester|talk]]) 12:19, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

== Side Series/Spin Off ==

Why the distinction? I know there's a lot people that wrongly consider Colosseum and XD to be part of the main series, but I see no reason for there to be a distinction between these and the other spinoffs. They do have gameplay closer to that in the main series, but they're hardly the only spinoffs to allow trading to the main games. Seems like a completely arbitrary section. [[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 12:02, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

== Pages for Mystery Dungeon player characters? ==

Could we please have some? And for the partners as well? If there are articles for the player characters of [[Pokémon Conquest]], I don't see why there can't be any for the ones of Mystery Dungeon [[User:N. Harmonik|N. Harmonik]] ([[User talk:N. Harmonik|talk]]) 03:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

== Sun and Moon Player characters ==

The last E3 Suggested that the names of the male and female chacters is Elio and Selene. {{unsigned|Robin Maximo}}
:We won't include information until it's 100% confirmed. It's still not yet clear whether these names are the official ones or are just being used in promotional materials. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I thought that we could use like temporarie names like Scottie in Sawyer´s name, but ok then-- Posted By Robin Maximo[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 20:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Orlando ==

Can we add Orlando from the ORAS Special Demo Version? Surely Orlando should at least be mentioned on this page, especially as his Japanese name is Omega. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] ([[User talk:Kidburla|talk]]) 16:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

== Question ==

I only have a question rather than a suggestion, if this is not the place to do this let me know the right place please, how do you guys discover the names of the player characters, where is released?--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 17:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

:It varies. In some of the older games, the official names were often available as a default if you didn't enter a name, or were used in the game's data to label the characters' sprites and other information. In recent games the characters often go by those names when they are not chosen by the player and appear instead as an NPC, such as with Hilbert, Hilda, Nate, and Rosa (in the Battle Subway) or Calem, Serena, Lucas, Dawn, Brendan, May, Ethan, and Lyra (as rivals/friends of the player). —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:18, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

== What? ==

Can someone please fix the page, someone has screwed it up and I don't know what text to put where in order to fix it. EDIT: It's now been fixed, thanks for whoever did it :) {{unsigned|Sun & Moon}}

== Sun and Moon's Names ==

Are Sun and Moon really the official names? I read somewhere that the opposite player doesn't show up as an NPC, and we don't have either one in the anime so we can't go off of that, and the Dex Holders in Pokémon Adventures are always named after the games, so that's not good either... I think we should discuss it a bit before we decide their names.

[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 06:03, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

:I don't know if they even HAVE official names. But people will surely be looking for information about the player characters of the new games and their role in the story, so in the absence of reliable official names, placeholder names might have to do. "Sun" for the male PC at least has some in-game basis (being the name of the PC in the special demo version), and "Moon" would correspond to that. Of course, discussion is still good—if anyone knows a set of names with better justification, I'm all ears. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:33, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

::I agree that generation I could not be the only one of a kind with the main characters using the names of the game versions/manga version, their names can be Sun & Moon. Especially when we don´t know how to call them.-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 02:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

:::I would actually suggest Elios (Sun) and Selene (Moon) for their placeholder names, since those were their given names in pre-release materials. Red and Leaf are the only player characters to be named after their game (if Kris/Crystal doesn't count), and I don't think they'd go back to that naming pattern now 13 years after the last one. [[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 03:36, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I suggested this names back then but they said it was not 100% confirmed since Calem and Serena already changed names, but they preferred the last names that was used to call then in the demo, Sun & moon, if something important like this is not yet decided editions shouldn´t be locked again ultil it is?-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 03:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
::Since Calem and Serena's names were '''X'''avier and '''Y'''vonne, it's likely those were meant to be like the names of their games, X & Y but a little more subtle. Elios and Selene at the moment also sound like that as they are from greek mythology, (H)elios and Selene being the titans of the sun and moon respectively.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]04:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

From what I've seen, Sun and Moon are the most common names for the player characters. They' names of the games have been used before for PC names, so I see no reason why that naming pattern can't be used again, and those are the names used in the manga. Since the characters don't appear in the games unless you select them, I think that's as close to official names as we're going to get. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 04:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

So Helio and Selene are not acceptable? I think that pattern may return as well cause the pokémon franchise never(or at the eyes of somes at least changes)follows patterns, can´t see why they will always follow in this aspect, i have to disagree with the argument of the manga though since until today i(and i think most part of the fans) don´t see whi-two for example as an actual name to call, thank god we have Rosa, Sun & Moon is still acceptable too.--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 05:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I never said Helio and Selene weren't acceptable. They're just isn't as much evidence for them. Sun is the name used in the demo. It is also the name used in the manga. Are these the most reliable sources? No, but they're the closest things to an official source we have. Unlike previous games, they don't appear as NPCs when we choose the opposite gender, so we can't rely on the games themselves. As for Moon, that is the name used in the manga for the female character, and Moon is the opposite of Sun, so it fits. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 05:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

== Black and White, Black 2 and White 2 ==

So in the newest Pokemon Genrations Hilbert is seen with Zekrom meaning he is the hero of White. Yes I know the protagonists that appear in the show are supposed to represent the average player but so do the playable characters. So is he? That means that Hilda and Rosa are the heroes of Black and Black 2 and Hilbert and Nate are the heroes of White and White 2. Or is it opposite genders? Hilda and Nate, Hilbert and Rosa?

:...It's both of them. Generations doesn't line up completely with the games' canon. [[User:TechSkylander1518|TechSkylander1518]] ([[User talk:TechSkylander1518|talk]]) 05:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Player character

2016-12-03T04:57:41Z

Toolen: /* Sun and Moon's Names */

I suggest merge of [[Player character]] and [[Rival]], as well as categorisation according to the game instead of the Region. Also, I believe Pokemon Ranger characters should be added as main characters, considering that Pokemon Ranger is actually a main Pokemon Game.

Anyone have the Emerald sprite of May? [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-Z''']][ 14:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:And again that request is made. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Re-write? ==

Does anyone else think this article needs a re-write? [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:Do you have a reason? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:It seems kinda... messy. It's not that hard really explain how a player character works in a video game. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 02:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Backsprites ==

I was thinking that we could take a page from the Pokémon pages and find the backsprites of the player characters as well as the partner characters (like Steven and Buck).--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 03:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Mentioning of Player in Mystery Dungeon? ==

There's not really much more to say... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or the player in Trozei (being the user him/herself). Or in any of the other games, for that matter. What about Snap? I feel like this should be a stub. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 05:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, the player in Trozei (or Link, as we call it over here) is [[Lucy Fleetfoot]]. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 17:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::And that's a stub, if I've ever seen one. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== *COUGH* ==

Why do we need backsprites?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have them for Pokémon. So why not characters.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because it made the page wayyy to big. Maybe if we didn't just have one, but all of those broken links look just awful.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::We could resize them. We also have broken links on the Pokémon pages IMHO, it just lets someone know that the images should be created.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Resize? Eww. Only one Pokémon even does that, and it's Deoxys. Perhaps I'll do a hack of the sprite template that'll allow for it. Or you can. I dunno. Yeah. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I might be able to. what exactly do you mean?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Michael and What's his name... ==

What about side game characters? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:Lunick, Solana, the players in PMD, yeah they should go here. And if they do, the part about being remarkably silent doesn't apply to PMD.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Dawn and Luca's Platinum sprites ==

They're not uploaded yet,right? Can someone upload them? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Two little things ==

Couldn't the table also hold the overworld sprite for each character? I don't think they appear anywhere else. Also, HgSs will require another column for Gold and Kris, should I change it? [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 03:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gamecube game characters? ==

What about Wes and Michael? I see no reason for them to be excluded. Sure, we wouldn't have as many pictures since they appear in 3D games, but I really can't consider those games to be side-games. They're full-fledged Pokemon RPGs, just like the handhelds. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Umm...already stated... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Missed it due to the lack of pictures. Nevermind. Sorry. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ranger ==

Shouldn't we list the player characters in Ranger? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I will. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== The new girl ==

Since we're not getting Kris back, as she's more a Crystal character than a GS (and by extension, HGSS) character, what should we name the new girl since we don't know her name and likely won't be getting it?

I say Soul, since, like Leaf, she'll likely be named for the prefix of the secondary remake game, while her male counterpart is the primary original game (Gold, like Red) and her rival is the secondary original game (Silver, like Blue/Green).

Should we make an article yet, though? I've protected both Heart and {{ga|Soul}} until the tenth anniversary of GS, so... no need to worry there. Plus, we can move it when and if we get her real name either via hacking the games to pieces or because they actually '''give her one outright'''. But it never happened to Leaf, so... we'll just wait to see, eh?

So, below, vote: make it, don't make it, and under what name? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:There are still some arguments that she is Kris but with a major redesign. Kinda like Red in FRLG. But I don't know. I say Soul because of the reason you stated (even though I like Heart better). Make it under {{ga|Soul}}. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

::Let's wait till the game is released. An opposite-gender player will have a supporting role, which means there'll be a fixed name for her. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 05:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, we shouldn't wait six months to make an article about a character from the Pokémon games. I like Soul, but make sure that it is noted that until confirmation it is a fan name. When CoroCoro comes out I'll have at it and see if it is noted anywhere amidst the crazyness.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 05:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maxim... that's for Gen III and IV games. HGSS is a Gen II game (technically). Where was Leaf's supporting role? Did I somehow ''miss her'' in FireRed, despite completing the game 100%? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::: My vote goes for making an article, or at least starting one that we can move to the proper place when the name is revealed. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 06:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::I vote for making the article. Call it Soul or whatever you want, see if I care. I'm too upset with the decision of erasing Kris from the Pokémon World to even bother. Kris is the best thing that ever happened to the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 06:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Your right Mr. Charlie, if it wasn't for Kris there wouldn't be girl characters. Then they go and replace her with a girl with Mario's overolls and a '''HUGE''' hat. I felt like crying :(
See my page, the part with my pokemon trainers. I'm not going to touch it untill some more info on this "Soul".[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 21:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Scratch that last thing I said, I'll call her Soul Kamon.[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 22:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Titles... ==

Color clashing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Should be better now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== Overhead sprites ==

Think we should add those too? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Old question but sounds like a good idea. However, we need someone able to rip sprites to do that. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 19:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gold's backsprite ==

Why do we even have it there? Anyway,they changed his backsprite,but the article still shows the original one. Is the screenshot to small? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:There are two there already... [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::I meant his Heartgold and Soulsilver backsprite,they changed [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/con01_img04.jpg it],it's slightly different. For example,his hair isn't parted. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I guess it could be one of the first beta things for HGSS, but its still to early to tell, they could change it again--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 04:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

i think we should wait because the back sprite is changing in recent pictures he does not have the symbol on the back of his hat.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 17:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Counterparts for missing ==

May and Dawn needs on their respective webs a section of counterparts like Red, Gold, Kris and Kotone, please sombebody cna do it? --Ash 20:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Wes is one of the few that "doesnt wear head gear" trivia ==

Ummm... I own Colosseum and it shows him wearing silver visors in his hair, and also if you go to his page you can see he's wearing them as headgear in the photo. But, every time I try to remove Wes from that part of the trivia, someone puts him back in...

Visors aren't headgear. They're eyeware. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

== Gold's HGSS Name ==

Until HG and SS are released here (as short a time as that'll be), Gold's HGSS sprite should be titled "Hibiki". Then there's the matter of Silver seemingly being "rival"/"Rival" rather than truly named, but a lack of name rationalizes attributing "Silver" to him my my count (though that's not so much here as it is there, on the rivals' page). [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 01:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:There has been a heap of discussion about these characters' names all over the pedia (for example, here), and the consensus reached is that we ain't touching anything until the games are released. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Protection ==

I personally think we should protect this page considering the Generation V boy and girl heroes have been revealed with little detail for both. The main reason is because I know someone out there will post fake images and ridiculous speculation. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 11:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'd rather we assumed good faith and left it open. We'll see how it goes for now. When the details really start to come out, we can rethink. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, about that, shouldn't somebody put info and pics about BW player characters?

== Stadium characters ==

Do they count as player characters? You honestly don't really play as them, as in moving them or anything, but you do tell your Pokemon what to do, which is the players ability. So you ''technically'' do play as them. Also, they aren't Ethan and Kris. Or even actually, any other protagonist [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 14:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Of course they do. You control them just as much as Lucy Fleetfoot. They are 100% player characters, in my opinion. The fact that you don't walk using them doesn't make them any worse. I think I could upload their faceshots and add them to this article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== What's wrong? ==

I can't see the bottom of this page. It dead-ends after the template with Ranger Characters. Does this happen just to me, or is there something screwed-up in the coding? It doesn't happen when I view older revisions of the article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Works fine for me. I think it's because of all the internal trouble and stuff the the 'pedia's been experiencing recently. It happend to me the other day, on a different page. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 11:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Works because I just fixed it. Someone had added there a HTML comment but forgot to close it... '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Black and White Trainers? ==

I'm a bit surprised they aren't featured here. I understand them not getting their own pages (yet) due to the scarcity of information on them, but I can't even find their images on this site. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

They probably just want to avoid speculation. Personally, I'm just glad the male trainer has a normal hair color. First in Generation III it was white, then in IV it looked purple (although ingame it looked more like black)
On a somewhat related note, does anyone have any idea why the player characters from black and white are older than in previous games?[[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:No Black and White until we actually know something about them. And no opinionated chat here. There are in fact pictures of the BW main characters in the group shot in the article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The male trainer in Generation III has black hair. In the manga, it revealed that the white part was a hat. And if you look closely under the headband, you could see some black hair. ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 06:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC))

== Trivia ==

Does anyone else think it's worth mentioning that each of the main series player characters have a hat of some sort? '''''[[Special:Contributions/Shiny_Rayquaza|→→→]] [[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 02:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I wouldn't count May's as a hat so much as a headband, but since Brendan's is a hat, then I do think it's worth mentioning. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Bah I meant bandanna, not headband. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It would probably better to use the word "headgear", so that the trivia point encompasses all the player characters. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Optional names for <player character> ==

I've made a few templates to replace the old ones on each page. [[User:Takharii/sandbox#'In other languages' template|They're both here]]. Which one does everyone like better? [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 09:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:Colors of the first one on the second design. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon Channel ==
What about Pokemon channel? I know you never see the character, but it is still a game and the name should be mentioned. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Are you sure that the edits by ''Ash Pokemaster‏'' is right? Does this page no longer needed the sprites from previous generations? [[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:Well, there isn't really a need for them. The page was listing all the protagonists. Not listing all their sprites. I somewhat agree with it. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 21:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::If you need sprites you can always use a [http://www.spriters-resource.com/ sprites resource]! Heck, you can even open the article of each character to find them. I don't think there's need for sprites to be placed in every possible article. The article looks much more elegant now, albeit incomplete. :P
::Also, this isn't a perfect design or anything. I just tried to make it look more proper for the wiki, but it still needs work. First of all, there is need for this style to be applied in other characters as well. It would also probably be handy to combine the male the female characters boxes. But either way, I think that it looks fine now. [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 23:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ranger Backs & Main Series ==

First off, anyone got the underwater Ranger backs? And second off, what happened to/was wrong with that proper collection of sprites under characters? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 22:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:See just abobe. :) [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 16:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Typing DS chars ==

They did have some sprites, right? I think they also had some default names, didn't they? They may not be worth their own articles but I think they should definitely be included here. Can anyone who has a copy check their names (and upload sprites, if possible)? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== P+NA ==

is there art of the player characters from Pokémon + Nobunaga's Ambition we could put on here? [[User:Volcronaperson|Volcronaperson]] 00:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes there is. Now it is on this page.

== Black and White 2 Trainers ==

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/

Just thought they should be added to the group shot now that good pics are out. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

== X and Y ==

Do we have a confirmed name here?

http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/screenshots/june_p14_04.jpg

[[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 14:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:It looks likely, but we may need to wait until both are revealed. Xavier does sound like a good name for the male protagonist... [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

::Looks like the X and Y player character's names are Yvonne (girl) and Xavier (boy). '''Seeming they used the boy's name again, I'd say it's highly probable that these are their default names, but I'm not the one to judge, and I think we should still wait a bit longer, just in case.''' [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] ([[User talk:Zarthga|talk]]) 09:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/5b/XY_Prerelease_PSS_battle_1.png

:It feels like you guys might be jumping the gun here. While their names might very well end up being these, there is years of precedence in the Pokemon franchise for pre-release "tentative" player names to later be scrapped altogether for the finished product.

:Not really fond of the mindset of "closest thing to canon right now" being of encyclopedic material. [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 03:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::Not to mention these are not the only names we have seen for these characters, with the latest being Callum and Serena. [[User:Gohan5|Gohan5]] ([[User talk:Gohan5|talk]]) 13:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Those are the Japanese names. Although it should be noted that the Japanese equivalent of those pictures used "X" and "Y" in katakana, so it's very unlikely that those will be the final names. We'll have to wait till tomorrow, I suppose. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::::I would honestly not be surprised at all if Callum and Serena wind up being universal (or partially), given how this is the first time in the history of the series where player characters of the Japanese version are being given distinctive and real non-Japanese names (Western ones, to boot). [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 07:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

:Calem and Serena has been confirmed as the main characters' name in English version.([[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 09:01, 15 June 2013 (UTC))
::Is there a reason we haven't made pages for Calem and Serena yet? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 00:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
::I think we have a misunderstood here, please check the official page of Pokemon, thay only wrote, "Serena or Calem - Your next-door neighbor in Vaniville will set out on a journey just like everyone else, with the goal of becoming a powerful Pokémon Trainer. If your character is a boy, your neighbor will be Serena. If you play as a girl, Calem will be your neighbor." - [[User:Theodorethebear|Theodorethebear]] ([[User talk:Theodorethebear|talk]]) 12:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:::To Vienna Waltz, it's because we don't have that much info on them right now. To Theodorethebear, yes, it does say that. What's your point? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 12:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

== Female Character ==

This page says if the female player is chosen on the [[Crystal]] game pack the female character will appear. But when I chose the male on Crystal the female character still appears. I think when any Crystal game pack is used then the female character will appear. ----[[User:Ethan7|Ethan]] ''([[User talk:Ethan|Talk]])'' 04:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

== Player height and weight ==

*{{ga|Ethan}} was 4'11" tall and weighed 88.2 lbs in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
*{{ga|Lyra}} is 4'11" tall and weighs 90.4 lbs.
*{{ga|Lucas}} is 4'7" (143 cm) tall and weighs 83.8 lbs (38 kg).
*{{ga|Dawn}} is 4'6" (1.40 m) tall and weighs 75 lbs (34 kg).

Those trivia bits are in those articles. I don't know where they came from. (I suspect the [[Pokédex]].) It seems as though we only have it for the [[Generation IV]] protagonists. The function that allowed the player character to be compared to a Pokémon was apparently added in Generation III, according to the Pokédex page, so why isn't it known for {{ga|Red}}, {{ga|Leaf}}, {{ga|Brendan}}, or {{ga|May}}? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
:At least in HGSS, the height and weight for the PCs is physically spelled out, meaning the game tells you outright that the characters are this height and weight (so I suspect it's the same for DPPt). In Ruby and FR (the games I checked), there are only rough silhouette depictions and no numbers (and certainly no weight comparisons). So it's impossible to add anything for the Gen 3 protags that isn't guesswork. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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== Side Series/Spin Off ==

Why the distinction? I know there's a lot people that wrongly consider Colosseum and XD to be part of the main series, but I see no reason for there to be a distinction between these and the other spinoffs. They do have gameplay closer to that in the main series, but they're hardly the only spinoffs to allow trading to the main games. Seems like a completely arbitrary section. [[User:Five|Five]] ([[User talk:Five|talk]]) 12:02, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

== Pages for Mystery Dungeon player characters? ==

Could we please have some? And for the partners as well? If there are articles for the player characters of [[Pokémon Conquest]], I don't see why there can't be any for the ones of Mystery Dungeon [[User:N. Harmonik|N. Harmonik]] ([[User talk:N. Harmonik|talk]]) 03:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

== Sun and Moon Player characters ==

The last E3 Suggested that the names of the male and female chacters is Elio and Selene. {{unsigned|Robin Maximo}}
:We won't include information until it's 100% confirmed. It's still not yet clear whether these names are the official ones or are just being used in promotional materials. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I thought that we could use like temporarie names like Scottie in Sawyer´s name, but ok then-- Posted By Robin Maximo[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 20:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Orlando ==

Can we add Orlando from the ORAS Special Demo Version? Surely Orlando should at least be mentioned on this page, especially as his Japanese name is Omega. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] ([[User talk:Kidburla|talk]]) 16:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

== Question ==

I only have a question rather than a suggestion, if this is not the place to do this let me know the right place please, how do you guys discover the names of the player characters, where is released?--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 17:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

:It varies. In some of the older games, the official names were often available as a default if you didn't enter a name, or were used in the game's data to label the characters' sprites and other information. In recent games the characters often go by those names when they are not chosen by the player and appear instead as an NPC, such as with Hilbert, Hilda, Nate, and Rosa (in the Battle Subway) or Calem, Serena, Lucas, Dawn, Brendan, May, Ethan, and Lyra (as rivals/friends of the player). —[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:18, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

== What? ==

Can someone please fix the page, someone has screwed it up and I don't know what text to put where in order to fix it. EDIT: It's now been fixed, thanks for whoever did it :) {{unsigned|Sun & Moon}}

== Sun and Moon's Names ==

Are Sun and Moon really the official names? I read somewhere that the opposite player doesn't show up as an NPC, and we don't have either one in the anime so we can't go off of that, and the Dex Holders in Pokémon Adventures are always named after the games, so that's not good either... I think we should discuss it a bit before we decide their names.

[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 06:03, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

:I don't know if they even HAVE official names. But people will surely be looking for information about the player characters of the new games and their role in the story, so in the absence of reliable official names, placeholder names might have to do. "Sun" for the male PC at least has some in-game basis (being the name of the PC in the special demo version), and "Moon" would correspond to that. Of course, discussion is still good—if anyone knows a set of names with better justification, I'm all ears. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:33, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

::I agree that generation I could not be the only one of a kind with the main characters using the names of the game versions/manga version, their names can be Sun & Moon. Especially when we don´t know how to call them.-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 02:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

:::I would actually suggest Elios (Sun) and Selene (Moon) for their placeholder names, since those were their given names in pre-release materials. Red and Leaf are the only player characters to be named after their game (if Kris/Crystal doesn't count), and I don't think they'd go back to that naming pattern now 13 years after the last one. [[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 03:36, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I suggested this names back then but they said it was not 100% confirmed since Calem and Serena already changed names, but they preferred the last names that was used to call then in the demo, Sun & moon, if something important like this is not yet decided editions shouldn´t be locked again ultil it is?-- [[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 03:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
::Since Calem and Serena's names were '''X'''avier and '''Y'''vonne, it's likely those were meant to be like the names of their games, X & Y but a little more subtle. Elios and Selene at the moment also sound like that as they are from greek mythology, (H)elios and Selene being the titans of the sun and moon respectively.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]04:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

From what I've seen, Sun and Moon are the most common names for the player characters. They' names of the games have been used before for PC names, so I see no reason why that naming pattern can't be used again, and those are the names used in the manga. Since the characters don't appear in the games unless you select them, I think that's as close to official names as we're going to get. [[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 04:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
== Black and White, Black 2 and White 2 ==

So in the newest Pokemon Genrations Hilbert is seen with Zekrom meaning he is the hero of White. Yes I know the protagonists that appear in the show are supposed to represent the average player but so do the playable characters. So is he? That means that Hilda and Rosa are the heroes of Black and Black 2 and Hilbert and Nate are the heroes of White and White 2. Or is it opposite genders? Hilda and Nate, Hilbert and Rosa?

Talk:Sinnoh Route 210

2012-08-29T19:20:43Z

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== Trainers ==
How much money do they give out? :S [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:done. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

::Also, a ton of the links in this article don't use link templates... right now I'm really tired and can't focus on stuff, so if someone could do that that'd be good.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

:::you the ic things? do they have those for trainers? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::::After looking through some pages, doesn't look like we usually use the {{template|ic}} template on the pages. *pokes the always-awesome {{template|P}} template* [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::::: *cough cough*[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 03:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::im tellin ya, i got some losenges.. but im having trouble figuring out what you mean about the missing templates. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Psyduck Spotted ==
Uhhh...I just found Psyduck on this route, yet it's not listed on here. I found him with the PokeRadar. I think Psyduck may be rare here.[[User:MDupont|MDupont]] 08:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
: Me too - as well as Hoothoot, Noctowl and Bibarel. These were all in the top area of the route. [[User:Punkrockrevel|Punkrockrevel]] 19:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::My Pokédex guide does state that Psyduck, Hoothoot, Noctowl and Bibarel can all be found on Route 210, as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::: I've seen quite a few Machokes in the North part too, not sure about the south. - <code>[[User talk:Legotim|'M]]</code> ([[User:Legotim|ţś_łєğǿŧΐм]]) 03:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

::::It looks like the person who did the inital chart only concentrated on regular Pokémon available in the South and ones available by radar/dongle. Tomorrow I'll rechart and update with northern Pokémon, just it's too late for me tonight. [[User:Berrymaster|'''Berrymaster''']] [[User_talk:Berrymaster|'''Talk''']] 03:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::Recharting done; I don't have levels or catch rates for the Northern section though, if somebody wants to find them out. ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 16:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

==Bagon Frequency==
Can anyone confirm the frequency for bagon on this route? I don't think 22% is accurate. I have entered around 40 battles on the route using the pokeradar (and repel, in pearl) without encountering one. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Eriktheguy|Eriktheguy]] ([[User talk:Eriktheguy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eriktheguy|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It's called "bad luck". Also, did you chain the Pokemon? Did you get multiple numbers of Pokemon who were all the same species? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 08:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
::The probability of failing a 22% chance 40 times is 0.78^40 = 0.005%, so I figured the number may be wrong. There were only a few short chains but I generally find pokeradar creatures with 20% frequencies much faster. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Eriktheguy|Eriktheguy]] ([[User talk:Eriktheguy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eriktheguy|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

== Bagon Level ==

I met a Bagon at level 25 a few weeks ago. My [[User:Firestorm|brother]] met a Bagon at level 25 also. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 17:38, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:Noted and changed. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:20, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. *thumbs up* --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

== Miltank and Tauros frequency==
Shouldn't it be 11% instead of 6%? They would make 22% together. Or maybe there is another Pokémon with freq. of 10% ? [[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 16:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
:Game data says otherwise. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:49, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::Marriland says otherwise :) : http://pokemon.marriland.com/platinum/pokedex/Miltank/ [[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 11:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== PokeRadar Use ==
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that there's nothing in the initial pre-Psyduck area but super-tall grass, and there's no way to use PokeRadar in that grass. If this is all true, then isn't finding a Miltank or a Tauros here inherently impossible? Also, it seems in this generation, you can't cut the grass either. [[User:TCABF|TCABF]] 20:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:Yep, you're wrong. :P There is a patch of regular long grass just above the super-tall grass, where Miltank and Tauros (among other more boring Pokémon) can be found. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::Just above...? Ah, I see. It's still past the Psyduck area, but it is before the curve. I got it. Thanks! [[User:TCABF|TCABF]] 21:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Items? ==

Maybe someone state whether items are found in the nothern part or the southern part. You enter them at different stages in the game, so it gets confusing otherwise. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

: I totally agree. I haven't been able to find a few items for that (I play Platinum version). It says there's a Great Ball at Center of grassy patch left of honey tree, but doesn't say which honey tree; and I didn't find one left of either of the honey trees. I also couldn't find Burn Heal (hidden, one space north of ninja boy Bruce) in Platinum. Also, the article says there's a hidden Calcium in the area where you reach with rock climb, which I couldn't find. Instead, there's a zinc on the ledge left of the northern honey tree which is not mentioned in the article. We need confirmation on this. Thanks. [[User:Ishu-bagaria|Ishu Bagaria]]. 15th November, 2010

==Rapidash==
One of the battlers here has a lv 24 {{p|Rapidash}}. How is this possible? [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 02:33, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Hidden Shiny Stone ==

There is a shiny stone hidden in the northern part of the route. It is in the section that requires Rock Climb, to the left of the Grandma's house. I noticed that it is not mentioned anywhere, so I decided to say something about that.

:In Diamond and Pearl, there is a nugget where there is a Shiny Stone in Platinum. The article mentioned a nugget at that spot for platinum too. I have changed that. [[User:Ishu_bagaria|Ishu Bagaria]]. 15th november 2010

== TM 77 (Psych Up) ==

The article says that a boy on the ledge in Route 210 gives the TM. I think it is incorrect as a boy in Route 211 (East) gives TM77(Psych Up). If confirmed, please remove that from the list. [[User:Ishu_bagaria|Ishu Bagaria]]. 15 Nov 2010.

== Duskull in Pearl? ==

My friend just found a Duskull on this route during the nighttime, but this article says that it is only found in Platinum. He is currently playing Pearl, so could anyone try it out on Diamond or Pearl and see if he's right? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 01:52, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:Apologies for my ignorance, on accident I posted this on the route 210 talk page when I mean route 209. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 01:55, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

== Ninja Boy Glitch ==

Is there a glitch involving two of the ninja boys on Route 210 in Platinum? Whenever I go to the route and reach the final two ninja in before you reach Celestic Town, the two ninja boys will be completely invisible while hiding. No lump in the ground, no nothing. Is this a glitch, and if so, should I add it to the article? --[[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 18:52, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Sinnoh Route 210

2012-08-29T18:52:33Z

Toolen: /* Ninja Boy Glitch */ new section

== Trainers ==
How much money do they give out? :S [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:done. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

::Also, a ton of the links in this article don't use link templates... right now I'm really tired and can't focus on stuff, so if someone could do that that'd be good.. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

:::you the ic things? do they have those for trainers? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::::After looking through some pages, doesn't look like we usually use the {{template|ic}} template on the pages. *pokes the always-awesome {{template|P}} template* [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 03:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::::: *cough cough*[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 03:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::im tellin ya, i got some losenges.. but im having trouble figuring out what you mean about the missing templates. '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Psyduck Spotted ==
Uhhh...I just found Psyduck on this route, yet it's not listed on here. I found him with the PokeRadar. I think Psyduck may be rare here.[[User:MDupont|MDupont]] 08:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
: Me too - as well as Hoothoot, Noctowl and Bibarel. These were all in the top area of the route. [[User:Punkrockrevel|Punkrockrevel]] 19:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::My Pokédex guide does state that Psyduck, Hoothoot, Noctowl and Bibarel can all be found on Route 210, as well. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::: I've seen quite a few Machokes in the North part too, not sure about the south. - <code>[[User talk:Legotim|'M]]</code> ([[User:Legotim|ţś_łєğǿŧΐм]]) 03:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

::::It looks like the person who did the inital chart only concentrated on regular Pokémon available in the South and ones available by radar/dongle. Tomorrow I'll rechart and update with northern Pokémon, just it's too late for me tonight. [[User:Berrymaster|'''Berrymaster''']] [[User_talk:Berrymaster|'''Talk''']] 03:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::Recharting done; I don't have levels or catch rates for the Northern section though, if somebody wants to find them out. ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 16:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

==Bagon Frequency==
Can anyone confirm the frequency for bagon on this route? I don't think 22% is accurate. I have entered around 40 battles on the route using the pokeradar (and repel, in pearl) without encountering one. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Eriktheguy|Eriktheguy]] ([[User talk:Eriktheguy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eriktheguy|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It's called "bad luck". Also, did you chain the Pokemon? Did you get multiple numbers of Pokemon who were all the same species? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 08:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
::The probability of failing a 22% chance 40 times is 0.78^40 = 0.005%, so I figured the number may be wrong. There were only a few short chains but I generally find pokeradar creatures with 20% frequencies much faster. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Eriktheguy|Eriktheguy]] ([[User talk:Eriktheguy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eriktheguy|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

== Bagon Level ==

I met a Bagon at level 25 a few weeks ago. My [[User:Firestorm|brother]] met a Bagon at level 25 also. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 17:38, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:Noted and changed. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:20, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. *thumbs up* --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 20:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

== Miltank and Tauros frequency==
Shouldn't it be 11% instead of 6%? They would make 22% together. Or maybe there is another Pokémon with freq. of 10% ? [[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 16:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
:Game data says otherwise. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:49, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::Marriland says otherwise :) : http://pokemon.marriland.com/platinum/pokedex/Miltank/ [[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 11:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== PokeRadar Use ==
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that there's nothing in the initial pre-Psyduck area but super-tall grass, and there's no way to use PokeRadar in that grass. If this is all true, then isn't finding a Miltank or a Tauros here inherently impossible? Also, it seems in this generation, you can't cut the grass either. [[User:TCABF|TCABF]] 20:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:Yep, you're wrong. :P There is a patch of regular long grass just above the super-tall grass, where Miltank and Tauros (among other more boring Pokémon) can be found. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::Just above...? Ah, I see. It's still past the Psyduck area, but it is before the curve. I got it. Thanks! [[User:TCABF|TCABF]] 21:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Items? ==

Maybe someone state whether items are found in the nothern part or the southern part. You enter them at different stages in the game, so it gets confusing otherwise. --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 08:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

: I totally agree. I haven't been able to find a few items for that (I play Platinum version). It says there's a Great Ball at Center of grassy patch left of honey tree, but doesn't say which honey tree; and I didn't find one left of either of the honey trees. I also couldn't find Burn Heal (hidden, one space north of ninja boy Bruce) in Platinum. Also, the article says there's a hidden Calcium in the area where you reach with rock climb, which I couldn't find. Instead, there's a zinc on the ledge left of the northern honey tree which is not mentioned in the article. We need confirmation on this. Thanks. [[User:Ishu-bagaria|Ishu Bagaria]]. 15th November, 2010

==Rapidash==
One of the battlers here has a lv 24 {{p|Rapidash}}. How is this possible? [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 02:33, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Hidden Shiny Stone ==

There is a shiny stone hidden in the northern part of the route. It is in the section that requires Rock Climb, to the left of the Grandma's house. I noticed that it is not mentioned anywhere, so I decided to say something about that.

:In Diamond and Pearl, there is a nugget where there is a Shiny Stone in Platinum. The article mentioned a nugget at that spot for platinum too. I have changed that. [[User:Ishu_bagaria|Ishu Bagaria]]. 15th november 2010

== TM 77 (Psych Up) ==

The article says that a boy on the ledge in Route 210 gives the TM. I think it is incorrect as a boy in Route 211 (East) gives TM77(Psych Up). If confirmed, please remove that from the list. [[User:Ishu_bagaria|Ishu Bagaria]]. 15 Nov 2010.

== Duskull in Pearl? ==

My friend just found a Duskull on this route during the nighttime, but this article says that it is only found in Platinum. He is currently playing Pearl, so could anyone try it out on Diamond or Pearl and see if he's right? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 01:52, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:Apologies for my ignorance, on accident I posted this on the route 210 talk page when I mean route 209. --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 01:55, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

== Ninja Boy Glitch ==

Is there a glitch involving two of the ninja boys on Route 210 in Platinum? Whenever I go to the route and reach the final two ninja in before you reach Celestic Town, the two ninja boys will be completely invisible while hiding. No lump in the ground, no nothing. Is this a glith, and if so, should I add it to the article? --[[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 18:52, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Great Marsh

2012-08-02T22:32:50Z

Toolen: /* Item list is lousy. */ new section

Somebody in the watchtower mentioned that the pokemon that are there seem different today. Is it possible that the pokemon that appear change from day to day?

:According to Coronis, yes: ''the Safari actually works by randomly generating a pokemon from the 'rare' list for each 6 area each day. the same species can appear in more than 1 areas. according to your list, there seem to be 31 holders, and those that appear more than once, like the Sinnoh ones, are less rare, while the post-National dex Kanto/Johto/Hoenn ones, are rarer since they occupy one holder only'' - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:49, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone done any researching into how the Bait/Mud catching system works? I haven't figured out anything better than just acting randomly, pretty much. [[User:Opaopa13|Opaopa13]] 18:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

While playing the game myself, i discovered a rare Carnivine which means that the list of pokemon is incomplete. I added it to the list, but i did not know the percentage.
And by the way, throwing bit makes the pokemon less likely to flee but decreases the accuracy of catching it. Throwing mud makes the pokemon more likely to flee, but it increases the accuracy of catching it. [[User:CBhadha|CBhadha]] 21:57, 25 July 2007
:It's in the Changing Pokémon section. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 02:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that you can get two 'rare' Pokemon on the same day (crogunk and skorupi), and it was my first time at the marsh. Does anybody know anything about this? [[User:Verity_Lies|Verity_Lies]]

There are a few things that i have found wrong with the lists for platinum i have been able to catch a Carnivine as wall as finding a Skorupi at level 27 even though the range says 20-26, i was also able to find Yanma without it being indicated by the binoculars. I think there may be other anomalies but i haven't encountered them yet. [[User:Bonez565|Bonez565]] 08:40, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
:You might not see Yanma in the binoculars. The article is simply saying that it's the only way of knowing ahead of time, ''if'' the binoculars show it. The Yanma would've been there whether you looked or not, but you simply didn't know before going into the Marsh.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 18:16, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
==Carvanha?==
It's possible to catch Carvanha in the Great Marsh with a super rod. How does that fit in? - - - '''[[User:Dra2k4|dra''2k4'']]''' 15:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
==Magikarp weirdness==
Okay, two things:
1--After tracking down Skorupi with the 'scope, the encounter rate in the specific area (6) seemed significantly less than the 10% offered... maybe less than 5%?
2--Most interesting, maybe spotted already but it wasn't posted here (and I do apologize in advance if it was already) but I had beyond abnormal difficulties trying to catch wild Magikarp (area 6 again) Using the good rod, I failed to catch ANY Magikarp (6 of them, aroundabouts) usually got them to 2/3 rolls in the ball before breaking out... but when I used the old rod, a level -4- Magikarp broke out -immediately- of the Safari Ball, and two level 5s were also failed to be caught despite 3 balls thrown at them, each. Well over a dozen balls wasted on them all :/

Yet I caught a level 30 Gyarados on my first try... *shrug*

If it helps any, this was all done around 1am in the morning, on Diamond.

--[[User:NotJim|NotJim]] 24 December 2007

Umm...Just asking, but: Why are you trying to catch Magikarp in the Great Marsh in the first place? Go to any waterway in the game, whip out the Old/Good Rod, and you can catch a Magikarp the normal way.
:As for how many balls it takes to catch a Pokémon: The number (and, outside the Safari-type areas, type) of balls you need to go through is completely random; I caught a Giratina (health in the Yellow area) with a Great Ball, after going through about 10-30 Ultra Balls, while I ALMOST RAN OUT of balls trying to catch Rotom. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 23:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
::I tried using ultra balls on a LV. 2 Pidgey. IT WOULDNT WORK. then I tried a regular Poke Ball and "Pidgey was caught!" I dont get it. Ive tried catching other low level-ers with ultra balls and i have the same frusturation. any ideas? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 23:42, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

== Huh, say what now? ==

Why is Carnivine on the list of Pokémon found ''NORMALLY'' in the Great Marsh? I thought it was one of them rares. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 11:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:It sometimes appears without being a rare set for the day. Being a rare set just increases it's chance. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Bait vs Mud ==

"If you throw food at Pokémon, it 
makes them easier to catch... 
But they're also more likely to 
bolt when they eat. 
If you throw mud at them, they 
also get easier to catch... 
But they also get more likely to 
bolt out of anger. 
It's hard to decide what I should 
be doing." 
-- this is said by a man in the Marsh.

This seems to contradict what is written on this page. Can anyone clear this up for me? 
Thanks [[User:Tomw|Tomw]] 23:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

:It's probably a translation error. It's mentioned at the bottom of the page. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

:Note, the text is different in Platinum. He says that bait will make them easier to catch, but more likely to flee, and mud will make them less likely to run (out of anger, he says), but harder to catch. Which is still contradictory to the article. I always thought it was the other way around, but playing in the Great Marsh and trying both out, I believe him. I'm changing it. [[User:Terrane|Terrane]] 16:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Out of DPPt, I have only played the Platinum version. I also confirm to what Tomw says and personally, I found that the boy in the marsh is correct and the part in the article is incorrect. If this is also true for Diamond and Platinum, the article needs to be changed. Otherwise it needs to be mentioned that the system is opposite in Platinum.
Thanks
[[User:Ishu Bagaria|Ishu Bagaria]] 21:20 14 November 2010 (UTC)

: I am also playing Platinum version and have experienced some severe frustration with my usual catching strategy -- for example, after throwing two Muds, a Yanma escaped ''six'' Safari Balls before fleeing -- either the Random Number God is out to deprive me of any Safari catches tonight, or today must be Opposite Day. Or maybe the above theory is correct? So, experimenting with it, I successfully threw ... eighteen Muds at a Bibarel before it fled from battle. Yes, ''EIGHTEEN.'' Random Number God may be fickle, but he can't like me ''that'' much, right? By contrast, when I tried throwing Baits instead of Mud, and most wild Pokemon fled from battle after just two. It ''certainly'' appears to me that Platinum's (if not D/P too) Bait/Mud effects are precisely the opposite of normal for Safari Zones.

: PS: Also by contrast, I threw two Bait at a Yanma and then caught it with just one Ball. That's a huge difference from two Muds + six Balls and ''still'' not catching one. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 07:02, 30 April 2011 (UTC)''

::PPS: I found two user FAQs on GameFAQs.com corroborating that the Great Marsh's Bait and Mud mechanics (at least in Platinum) appear to be reversed from other Safari Zones. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 16:02, 30 April 2011 (UTC)''

== Rarity ==

The percentages for each pokemon to be found can be seen by the output of my Encounters Extraction program. The format is:

Game|Section|Slot|Encounter Type|PokeNatID|MinLevel|<MaxLevel>

Slots are like the following:

Slot 0 - 20%

Slot 1 - 20%

Slot 2 - 10%

Slot 3 - 10%

Slot 4 - 10%

Slot 5 - 10%

Slot 6 - 5%

Slot 7 - 5%

Slot 8 - 4%

Slot 9 - 4%

Slot 10 - 1%

Slot 11 - 1%

Surfing/Fishing

Slot 0 - 60%

Slot 1 - 30%

Slot 2 - 5%

Slot 3 - 4%

Slot 4 - 1%

Sections are as follows where 52 is the Great Mash location.

23,52,"Great Marsh [Area 1]"

24,52,"Great Marsh [Area 2]"

25,52,"Great Marsh [Area 3]"

26,52,"Great Marsh [Area 4]"

27,52,"Great Marsh [Area 5]"

28,52,"Great Marsh [Area 6]"

For slots which say night, day, or something other than grass/surf/rods - These are slot replacements. They replace the pokemon that normally occupies that slot and assumes its rarity.

D|P,23,0,grass,194,24

D|P,23,1,grass,400,25

D|P,23,2,grass,406,24

D|P,23,3,grass,396,26

D|P,23,4,grass,183,25

D|P,23,5,grass,195,25

D|P,23,6,grass,183,26

D|P,23,7,grass,195,26

D|P,23,8,grass,54,26

D|P,23,9,grass,54,24

D|P,23,10,grass,399,26

D|P,23,11,grass,298,24

D|P,23,2,night,163

D|P,23,3,night,164

D|P,23,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,23,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,23,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,23,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,23,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,23,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,23,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,23,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,23,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,23,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,23,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,23,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,23,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,23,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,23,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,23,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,23,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,23,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,23,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,23,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,23,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,23,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,23,0,grass,194,28

Pl,23,1,grass,400,28

Pl,23,2,grass,357,28

Pl,23,3,grass,357,30

Pl,23,4,grass,194,29

Pl,23,5,grass,195,30

Pl,23,6,grass,194,28

Pl,23,7,grass,194,30

Pl,23,8,grass,193,30

Pl,23,9,grass,114,30

Pl,23,10,grass,193,31

Pl,23,11,grass,114,31

Pl,23,2,night,164

Pl,23,3,night,164

Pl,23,6,pokeradar,194

Pl,23,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,23,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,23,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,23,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,23,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,23,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,23,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,23,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,23,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,23,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,23,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,23,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,23,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,23,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,23,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,23,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,23,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,23,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,23,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,23,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,23,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,23,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,23,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,23,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,23,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,24,0,grass,194,24

D|P,24,1,grass,400,25

D|P,24,2,grass,406,24

D|P,24,3,grass,396,26

D|P,24,4,grass,183,25

D|P,24,5,grass,195,25

D|P,24,6,grass,183,26

D|P,24,7,grass,195,26

D|P,24,8,grass,54,26

D|P,24,9,grass,54,24

D|P,24,10,grass,399,26

D|P,24,11,grass,298,24

D|P,24,2,night,163

D|P,24,3,night,164

D|P,24,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,24,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,24,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,24,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,24,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,24,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,24,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,24,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,24,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,24,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,24,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,24,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,24,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,24,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,24,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,24,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,24,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,24,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,24,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,24,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,24,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,24,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,24,0,grass,194,28

Pl,24,1,grass,400,28

Pl,24,2,grass,357,28

Pl,24,3,grass,357,30

Pl,24,4,grass,194,29

Pl,24,5,grass,195,30

Pl,24,6,grass,194,28

Pl,24,7,grass,194,30

Pl,24,8,grass,193,30

Pl,24,9,grass,114,30

Pl,24,10,grass,193,31

Pl,24,11,grass,114,31

Pl,24,2,night,164

Pl,24,3,night,164

Pl,24,6,pokeradar,194

Pl,24,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,24,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,24,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,24,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,24,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,24,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,24,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,24,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,24,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,24,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,24,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,24,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,24,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,24,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,24,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,24,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,24,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,24,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,24,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,24,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,24,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,24,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,24,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,24,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,24,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,25,0,grass,194,22

D|P,25,1,grass,400,23

D|P,25,2,grass,406,22

D|P,25,3,grass,396,24

D|P,25,4,grass,183,23

D|P,25,5,grass,195,23

D|P,25,6,grass,183,24

D|P,25,7,grass,195,24

D|P,25,8,grass,54,24

D|P,25,9,grass,54,22

D|P,25,10,grass,399,24

D|P,25,11,grass,298,22

D|P,25,2,night,163

D|P,25,3,night,163

D|P,25,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,25,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,25,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,25,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,25,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,25,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,25,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,25,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,25,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,25,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,25,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,25,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,25,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,25,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,25,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,25,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,25,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,25,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,25,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,25,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,25,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,25,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,25,0,grass,194,27

Pl,25,1,grass,400,27

Pl,25,2,grass,400,28

Pl,25,3,grass,114,27

Pl,25,4,grass,114,28

Pl,25,5,grass,195,29

Pl,25,6,grass,194,28

Pl,25,7,grass,194,29

Pl,25,8,grass,193,29

Pl,25,9,grass,114,29

Pl,25,10,grass,193,30

Pl,25,11,grass,114,30

Pl,25,2,night,164

Pl,25,3,night,163

Pl,25,6,pokeradar,114

Pl,25,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,25,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,25,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,25,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,25,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,25,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,25,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,25,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,25,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,25,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,25,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,25,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,25,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,25,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,25,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,25,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,25,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,25,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,25,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,25,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,25,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,25,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,25,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,25,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,25,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,26,0,grass,194,22

D|P,26,1,grass,400,23

D|P,26,2,grass,406,22

D|P,26,3,grass,396,24

D|P,26,4,grass,183,23

D|P,26,5,grass,195,23

D|P,26,6,grass,183,24

D|P,26,7,grass,195,24

D|P,26,8,grass,54,24

D|P,26,9,grass,54,22

D|P,26,10,grass,399,24

D|P,26,11,grass,298,22

D|P,26,2,night,163

D|P,26,3,night,163

D|P,26,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,26,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,26,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,26,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,26,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,26,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,26,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,26,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,26,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,26,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,26,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,26,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,26,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,26,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,26,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,26,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,26,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,26,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,26,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,26,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,26,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,26,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,26,0,grass,194,27

Pl,26,1,grass,400,27

Pl,26,2,grass,400,28

Pl,26,3,grass,114,27

Pl,26,4,grass,114,28

Pl,26,5,grass,195,29

Pl,26,6,grass,194,28

Pl,26,7,grass,194,29

Pl,26,8,grass,193,29

Pl,26,9,grass,114,29

Pl,26,10,grass,193,30

Pl,26,11,grass,114,30

Pl,26,2,night,164

Pl,26,3,night,163

Pl,26,6,pokeradar,114

Pl,26,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,26,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,26,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,26,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,26,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,26,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,26,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,26,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,26,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,26,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,26,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,26,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,26,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,26,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,26,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,26,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,26,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,26,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,26,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,26,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,26,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,26,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,26,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,26,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,26,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,27,0,grass,194,20

D|P,27,1,grass,400,21

D|P,27,2,grass,406,20

D|P,27,3,grass,396,22

D|P,27,4,grass,183,21

D|P,27,5,grass,195,21

D|P,27,6,grass,183,22

D|P,27,7,grass,195,22

D|P,27,8,grass,399,22

D|P,27,9,grass,298,20

D|P,27,10,grass,399,22

D|P,27,11,grass,298,20

D|P,27,2,night,163

D|P,27,3,night,163

D|P,27,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,27,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,27,0,grass,194,26

Pl,27,1,grass,400,26

Pl,27,2,grass,400,27

Pl,27,3,grass,193,26

Pl,27,4,grass,193,27

Pl,27,5,grass,195,28

Pl,27,6,grass,194,27

Pl,27,7,grass,194,28

Pl,27,8,grass,193,28

Pl,27,9,grass,114,28

Pl,27,10,grass,193,29

Pl,27,11,grass,114,29

Pl,27,2,night,163

Pl,27,3,night,163

Pl,27,6,pokeradar,193

Pl,27,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,27,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,27,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,27,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,27,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,27,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,27,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,27,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,27,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,27,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,27,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,27,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,27,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,27,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,27,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,27,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,27,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,27,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,27,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,27,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,27,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,27,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,27,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,27,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,27,4,super-rod,318,40,55

D|P,28,0,grass,194,20

D|P,28,1,grass,400,21

D|P,28,2,grass,406,20

D|P,28,3,grass,396,22

D|P,28,4,grass,183,21

D|P,28,5,grass,195,21

D|P,28,6,grass,183,22

D|P,28,7,grass,195,22

D|P,28,8,grass,54,22

D|P,28,9,grass,54,20

D|P,28,10,grass,399,22

D|P,28,11,grass,298,20

D|P,28,2,night,163

D|P,28,3,night,163

D|P,28,8,gba-firered,24

D|P,28,9,gba-firered,24

D|P,28,0,surfing,194,20,30

D|P,28,1,surfing,183,20,30

D|P,28,2,surfing,195,20,40

D|P,28,3,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,28,4,surfing,54,20,40

D|P,28,0,old-rod,129,4,6

D|P,28,1,old-rod,129,3,7

D|P,28,2,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,28,3,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,28,4,old-rod,129,5,10

D|P,28,0,good-rod,129,15,20

D|P,28,1,good-rod,339,15,20

D|P,28,2,good-rod,129,10,25

D|P,28,3,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,28,4,good-rod,130,15,30

D|P,28,0,super-rod,340,30,55

D|P,28,1,super-rod,318,15,20

D|P,28,2,super-rod,130,40,55

D|P,28,3,super-rod,318,15,30

D|P,28,4,super-rod,318,15,30

Pl,28,0,grass,194,26

Pl,28,1,grass,400,26

Pl,28,2,grass,400,27

Pl,28,3,grass,193,26

Pl,28,4,grass,193,27

Pl,28,5,grass,195,28

Pl,28,6,grass,194,27

Pl,28,7,grass,194,28

Pl,28,8,grass,193,28

Pl,28,9,grass,114,28

Pl,28,10,grass,193,29

Pl,28,11,grass,114,29

Pl,28,2,night,163

Pl,28,3,night,163

Pl,28,6,pokeradar,193

Pl,28,7,pokeradar,195

Pl,28,10,pokeradar,193

Pl,28,11,pokeradar,114

Pl,28,8,gba-firered,24

Pl,28,9,gba-firered,24

Pl,28,0,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,28,1,surfing,194,20,30

Pl,28,2,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,28,3,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,28,4,surfing,195,20,40

Pl,28,0,old-rod,129,3,6

Pl,28,1,old-rod,129,4,7

Pl,28,2,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,28,3,old-rod,129,5,10

Pl,28,4,old-rod,129,5,15

Pl,28,0,good-rod,129,15,20

Pl,28,1,good-rod,339,15,20

Pl,28,2,good-rod,129,10,25

Pl,28,3,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,28,4,good-rod,339,10,25

Pl,28,0,super-rod,130,30,55

Pl,28,1,super-rod,318,30,40

Pl,28,2,super-rod,340,20,50

Pl,28,3,super-rod,318,40,55

Pl,28,4,super-rod,318,40,55

You can tell from this data that there are descrete levels and rarities which change between the different areas.
This mistake has been made throughout all of bulbapedia's location project.
I will get the daily great marsh zone pokemon rarities later.
[[User:Sabresite|Sabresite]] 03:13, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:Can you put that in the chart format which we have? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::Yes when I get time, I will do this. I posted the long spam so that someone who has the time, can do it for me. If a pokemon appears multiple times with the same level, simply add the percentages for each slot and that is the total rarity. Keep in mind that rarity changes from night to day, or with the dongles present. [[User:Sabresite|Sabresite]] 03:39, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Platinum ==

Err, should the article mention that the place was redesigned in Platinum? The rough layout is the same (the railway tracks and platforms are still there, and it's still the same size and shape), but a lot of little details have been changed. The mud also looks a lot different (there are light and dark patches indicating where you can walk without falling) and it actually has unique grass-in-mud graphics too. All in all it's substantially nicer. [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 12:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

==Drapion!==

I caught a Drapion in my Platinum copy, and it doesn't say so in the article!! :P [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 00:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Toxicroak! ==

I caught a Toxicroak in my Platinum version just as YukitoOoO caught a Drapion in their Platinum version. --[[User:Kamikami|Kamikami]] 00:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Carvanha ==

I keep finding low lvl (16-20) Carvanha in the safarizone. im sing a super rod, yet it says on the list they 30+.i havent found 1 over 20. shold this be mentioned?--[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 21:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Merge the platinum pre-national list? ==

Why is the set of three additional Pokémon available in platinum before the national Pokédex given it's own list? The availability marks should be enough. [[User:Kendai|~Kendai]] 10:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:To signify the difference? Because someone was lazy when Pt came out? Change it if you want - it's a wiki, after all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shards in Platinum ==

Um, the Ace Trainer (or guy with green hair) doesn't just give you a green shard (he just gave me a blue shard today). He gives you a random shard each day, think someone should correct that. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 03:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== Item list is lousy. ==

Someone needs to redo the list of items and where they are located for those who play platinum. I tried to use it, and almost nothing was where it said it would be. Some I couldn't find at all. Will someone please fix this. I would, but I can't remember where I found items and what they were. All I remember is that the Rare candy was the only item that was where the list said it would be. Someone also needs to change the map to one that shows the layout of the marsh in Platinum.--[[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 22:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Liberty Garden

2012-07-23T15:59:06Z

Toolen: /* Liberty Garden Map */ new section

== Tower ==
Where you catch Victini is actually in Liberty Garden Tower (リバティガーデンとう).. just pointing that out. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 23:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Statue of Liberty ==

Is this based on the Statue of Liberty or something?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:Highly likely. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:08, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

== Event Only Villainous Team Battles ==

Would it be correct in saying that since you need an event Liberty Pass to reach Liberty Garden, that the Plasma Grunts found on said island are the 1st (and only?) event exclusive villainous trainer battles? [[User:Yourlilemogirl|Yourlilemogirl]] 11:03, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
:I would say no because of [[Giovanni]] in HeartGold and SoulSilver. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 11:17, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
::Just remembered about him not 10mins after i sent that :T Though wouldn't he count as an ''Ex''-Gym Leader/Team Rocket Leader? As i recall he was not actively part of Team Rocket during that match (I think i remember him saying the outcome of the battle would decide whether or not he rejoined, though that's strictly from memory :X) So i guess another way to word it would be that they (the Liberty Garden Plasma Grunts) are one of only two event exclusive villainous team battles? I just thought it might be noteworthy, maybe not, but it certainly stuck in my mind. --[[User:Yourlilemogirl|Yourlilemogirl]] 03:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, his Trainer class was "Rocket Boss" at the time. If you are interested, we do have [[Giovanni#Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|all of his quotes from HGSS]]. Specifying villainous team is unnecesary though, since they are the only event Traienrs at all. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
::::Actually, there is another event-only Trainer in the [[P2 Laboratory]], but it is implied that he worked for Team Plasma anyway. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:21, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Fly to Liberty Garden? ==

The trivia section says that the dot on the map for Liberty Garden is red as if it could be flown to, but is it possible to fly there? I can't check myself, as I didn't get the event. --[[User:Darth Zekrom|'''Darth''']] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|'''Zekrom''']] 02:50, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:No, I just checked. Typically fly locations have a Pokémon Center. Liberty Garden does not. You can only get there via the boat. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:55, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

== shall i put this one ==

[[file:unova liberty island.png]]
{{unsigned|Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)}}
:What's wrong with the image currently in use? [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 15:52, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

== Liberty Garden Map ==

I think we need to add a new image that shows the entire island. We have a map of birth island, and its simpler in layout than Liberty Garden. We even have a overall map of Flower Paradise, and its just a speck of land with flowers on it. Therefore, I suggest that we add a map of Liberty Garden in order to match the quality of the other articles.--[[User:Toolen|Toolen]] ([[User talk:Toolen|talk]]) 15:59, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Super Contest

2011-05-20T19:07:16Z

Toolen: /* Notable Competitors */

Since this is pure copyvio from Serebii.net, does someone with an American D/P want to have a go at rewriting it from scratch? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks Pie. ^_^
:Question: Does the game refer to this as a 'Pokémon Super Contest' or just 'Super Contest'? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 21:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::Both are used: "Welcome to the Contest Hall. I can help you with registering for a Super Contest." "There are four different ranks to the Pokémon Super Contests." - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 01:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

While I was doing a Master ranked contest, I ran into a girl by the name of Casey. She looked like the woman at the counters out front. She used a Chansey by the name of pinky. I was just wondering if she was an important character.

She also looks the same as the nurse at the Pokemon Center, which makes more sense since she uses Chansey. I thin k she should be added to the list. [[User:Inker|Inker]] 03:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I think Casey is just nobody just another character like Gabriel or whatever the others are called. I've seen Casey at the same time as Johanna, while I haven't seen Fantina or Jasmine at the same time as each other. Also her rating thing isn't high like the others. If Casey is include so should the others. I think it should be removed.{{u|Laxafett}} 21:43,6 May 2009(UTC)
== Fairness ==

Is the Master Rank Visual Competition rigged? I have NEVER gotten over four hearts, and I have a considerable amount of appropriate poffins used, and I follow a theme guide I found on GameFAQS. I used to get around 9 on lower levels.[[User:Inker|Inker]] 00:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:Yea I know, all have Coolness maxed out, have a red scarf, and have all the right accessories. and only two or so heart will pop up the judging system really stinks for master ranks. What makes it worse is that your competitors have the wrong accessories and they get way more points

::Well for me it's usually biased in my favour.Either that or I'm just getting lucky. [[User:Agent008]]
:::Sad. I usually phail all my contests. But, hey, maybe it's based on a randomly generated number like in capturing. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:11 3 Jun 2008'''''
:I think that the Master Rank might actually be like that intentionally. Back in Gen III, I had COMPLETELY maxed out whatever condition I was competing in and had the appropriate Scarf equipped, as well as the PERFECT moveset for the contest, yet I never got more than THREE hearts, often not getting any! (it was almost a miracle whenever I won) It's actually EASIER in Gen IV, since you have additional ways to earn the judges' favor, but the competition is still always stacked against you. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I actually go opposite on accesories! I kill the competetion on dance and let the others raise Dexters voltage before I max it out but only on the Master Rank! {{u|Laxafett}} 16:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia (for gen 3) accurate? ==
I had not seen the untranslated (if I am reading this correctly) Poké Ball or contest rankings in the Gen 3 cartridge for Sapphire. Is this in reference to a different specific Gen 3 cart (it appears to refer to non-super contests in Gen 3) or was there a correction issued for the cartridge that addressed this issue? (The cart I own doesn't have any problems with the 100 hour berry issue) [[User:Iliekmudkips|Iliekmudkips]] 01:59, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
:It's only in Gen. 3. But they use the Japanese Poké Ball names--i.e., ''Super'' Rank instead of ''Great'' Rank.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:07, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

== Dress code? ==
Is it worth mentioning that competitors have to wear a suit/dress when entering a Pokemon in a super contest? The games make a point of it, and it's mentioned on the main page's 'Did you know?' (as of 7th May 2008).--[[User:Zyphers|Zyphers]] 05:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:It's mentioned in the [[Contest Pass]] article, so I see no reason not to include it here. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 05:52, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::I've added a point to the trivia section. My comments on the anime portrayal are deliberately vague, I haven't seen any episodes past the Orange Islands arc, so if someone wishes to elaborate, then by all means do so.--[[User:Zyphers|Zyphers]] 06:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

== Special Poffin. ==

'''I don't know what article this belongs in.''' There was this guy with blue hair (kinda like a rich-boy) standing in front of the lady at the contest hall desk and when I talked to him he gave me a LV60 Poffin that did '''all 5''' stats and had a smoothness of 40 (1 sheen). I ''think'' it is because I completed Master Rank on all cats. I have done altogether probs about 10 MR Contests... He wasn't there a few days ago... I'm not sure what triggered it though, I'm sure it has ''something'' to do with the MRs. I also just finished making dozens of Poffins with my bro's, could have somthing to do with that... --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 02:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:You mean the Mild Poffin that [[Jordan]] gives you? Check the page I just linked to. He gives you one the first time to talk to him, and then that's it. Nothing special. '''~ [[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 02:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ok then, but he wasn't there till just a lil ago. O_O WAY after I got the Poffin Case... --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 03:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:::''Or was he?'' *sinister music* '''~ [[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 03:11, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::::lol.... Maybe he ''was'' in there but he was ''never'' standing in my way of talking to the lady at the desk. --[[User:Sivart345|Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 03:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gen I Colors ==

I haven't played the Gen 4 games, but is it a sure thing the pad colors red, blue, green and yellow, are meant to reference the Gen I games? Those four colors together is a very universal pattern, a lot of things use that combination of coloring. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 19:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

== Player Character Contest Sprites ==

Could sprites of the player characters in their contest attire (preferably from front, back, and a side) be added, or, at the least, be pointed out to me where on this site, if at all, the files are? [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 07:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:AFAIK we don't currently have those. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Notable Contestants: Hayley ==

According to the trivia in My Pokemon Ranch, [[Hayley]] appears in the Pokémon Super Contests with her Buneary named ''Floppy'' (which apparently can be traded to D/P). Can someone find out what moves they use, etc. and add it? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Notable Competitors ==

I've heard you can only face Fantina, Johanna, and Jasmine after you beat the elite four.I've tested this to find out, and it seems to be correct. I made it to master rank after getting my third gym badge and I haven't seen Fantina, Johanna, or Jasmine. I'll add this to the article. Could someone please verify this. ([[User:Toolen|Toolen]] 18:02, 20 May 2011 (UTC))
Can anyone confirm this? Please let me know. ([[User:Toolen|Toolen]] 19:07, 20 May 2011 (UTC))

User talk:Toolen

2011-05-20T18:57:38Z

Toolen: /* "You" */

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== "You" ==

Hey. Because we are encyclopedic, please don't use the word "you" within articles. Using "the player" is often a good substitute. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 18:24, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry I'll try to remember that. Thanks for correcting me. ([[User:Toolen|Toolen]] 18:57, 20 May 2011 (UTC))

List of Contest opponents

2011-05-20T18:20:29Z

Toolen: /* Notable contestants */

This is a list of the opponents faced in [[Pokémon Contest]]s in [[Generation III]], and [[Pokémon Super Contest|Super Contests]] in [[Generation IV]].

==[[Generation III]] opponents==

===Normal Rank===
{|width="100%" style="text-align:left"
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Jimmy'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Poochyena
|nickname=Poochy
|type1=Dark
|ndex=261
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Roar
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=3
|move1jam=0
|move2=Bite
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=1
|move2jam=3
|move3=Take Down
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=6
|move3jam=0
|move4=Howl
|move4cat=Cool
|move4app=1
|move4jam=0}}
'''Edith'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Zigzagoon
|nickname=Zigoon
|type1=Normal
|ndex=263
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Rest
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Tail Whip
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Tackle
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=4
|move3jam=0
|move4=Covet
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=1
|move4jam=0}}
'''Evan'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Dustox
|nickname=Dusty
|type1=Bug
|type2=Poison
|ndex=269
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Silver Wind
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=1
|move1jam=0
|move2=Moonlight
|move2cat=Beauty
|move2app=1
|move2jam=0
|move3=Light Screen
|move3cat=Beauty
|move3app=1
|move3jam=0
|move4=Gust
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=3
|move4jam=0}}
'''Kelsey'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Seedot
|nickname=Dots
|type1=Grass
|ndex=273
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Growth
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=1
|move1jam=0
|move2=Bullet Seed
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=2
|move2jam=1
|move3=Bide
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Synthesis
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=1
|move4jam=0}}
'''Madison'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Taillow
|nickname=Tatay
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ndex=276
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Wing Attack
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Agility
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=3
|move2jam=1
|move3=Aerial Ace
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Growl
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
'''Raymond'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Nincada
|nickname=Ninda
|type1=Bug
|type2=Ground
|ndex=290
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Leech Life
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=2
|move1jam=3
|move2=False Swipe
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=1
|move2jam=3
|move3=Fury Swipes
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=2
|move3jam=1
|move4=Mind Reader
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=3
|move4jam=0}}
'''Grant'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Shroomish
|nickname=Smish
|type1=Grass
|ndex=285
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=2
|move1jam=1
|move2=Attract
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Leech Seed
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=2
|move3jam=2
|move4=Mega Drain
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=1
|move4jam=4}}
'''Paige'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Wingull
|nickname=Gulwee
|type1=Water
|type2=Flying
|ndex=278
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Mist
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=1
|move1jam=0
|move2=Water Gun
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=4
|move2jam=0
|move3=Growl
|move3cat=Cute
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Pursuit
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=2
|move4jam=1}}

|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Alec'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Slakoth
|nickname=Slokth
|type1=Normal
|ndex=287
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Strength
|move1cat=Tough
|move1app=2
|move1jam=1
|move2=Counter
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Yawn
|move3cat=Cute
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Encore
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
'''Sydney'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Whismur
|nickname=Whiris
|type1=Normal
|ndex=293
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Astonish
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=2
|move1jam=3
|move2=Light Screen
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=1
|move2jam=3
|move3=Uproar
|move3cat=Cute
|move3app=3
|move3jam=0
|move4=Hyper Voice
|move4cat=Cool
|move4app=1
|move4jam=3}}
'''Morris'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Makuhita
|nickname=Mahita
|type1=Fighting
|ndex=296
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Seismic Toss
|move1cat=Tough
|move1app=2
|move1jam=1
|move2=Vital Throw
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=3
|move2jam=0
|move3=Tackle
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=4
|move3jam=0
|move4=Reversal
|move4cat=Cool
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
'''Mariah'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Aron
|nickname=Ronar
|type1=Steel
|type2=Rock
|ndex=304
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Metal Claw
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=4
|move1jam=0
|move2=Iron Defense
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=1
|move2jam=0
|move3=Headbutt
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=2
|move3jam=3
|move4=Take Down
|move4cat=Tough
|move4app=6
|move4jam=0}}
'''Russel'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Zubat
|nickname=Zutzu
|type1=Poison
|type2=Flying
|ndex=041
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Leech Life
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=2
|move1jam=3
|move2=Haze
|move2cat=Beauty
|move2app=3
|move2jam=0
|move3=Mean Look
|move3cat=Beauty
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Confuse Ray
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=3
|move4jam=0}}
'''Melanie'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Gulpin
|nickname=Gulin
|type1=Poison
|ndex=316
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Sludge
|move1cat=Tough
|move1app=1
|move1jam=4
|move2=Amnesia
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=1
|move2jam=0
|move3=Toxic
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=3
|move3jam=0
|move4=Yawn
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
'''Chance'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Electrike
|nickname=Rikelec
|type1=Electric
|ndex=309
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Spark
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=1
|move1jam=4
|move2=Thunder Wave
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=2
|move2jam=1
|move3=Thunder
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=2
|move3jam=2
|move4=Roar
|move4cat=Cool
|move4app=3
|move4jam=0}}
|}
===Super Rank===
{|width="100%" style="text-align:left"
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Karina'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Roselia
|nickname=Relia
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ndex=315
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Petal Dance
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=4
|move1jam=4
|move2=Magical Leaf
|move2cat=Beauty
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=GrassWhistle
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=1
|move3jam=3
|move4=Ingrain
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=1
|move4jam=0}}
'''Bobby'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Doduo
|nickname=Duodo
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ndex=084
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Peck
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=4
|move1jam=0
|move2=Fury Attack
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=2
|move2jam=1
|move3=Return
|move3cat=Cute
|move3app=1
|move3jam=0
|move4=Growl
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
'''Claire'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Trapinch
|nickname=Pinchin
|type1=Ground
|ndex=328
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Bite
|move1cat=Tough
|move1app=1
|move1jam=3
|move2=Sand-Attack
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=2
|move2jam=1
|move3=Dig
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=1
|move3jam=0
|move4=Faint Attack
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
'''Willie'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Cacnea
|nickname=Nacac
|type1=Grass
|ndex=331
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Spikes
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Leer
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=3
|move2jam=0
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=2
|move3jam=3
|move4=Sand-Attack
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=2
|move4jam=1}}
'''Cassidy'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Sandshrew
|nickname=Shrand
|type1=Ground
|ndex=027
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Slash
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=3
|move1jam=0
|move2=Defense Curl
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Swift
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4cat=Tough
|move4app=2
|move4jam=1}}
'''Morgan'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Baltoy
|nickname=Toybal
|type1=Ground
|type2=Psychic
|ndex=343
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Selfdestruct
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=8
|move1jam=0
|move2=Rock Tomb
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=3
|move2jam=0
|move3=Psybeam
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=3
|move3jam=0
|move4=Confusion
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=2
|move4jam=3}}
'''Summer'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Numel
|nickname=Lenum
|type1=Fire
|type2=Ground
|ndex=322
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Magnitude
|move1cat=Tough
|move1app=1
|move1jam=0
|move2=Earthquake
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=1
|move2jam=3
|move3=Sunny Day
|move3cat=Beauty
|move3app=1
|move3jam=0
|move4=Flamethrower
|move4cat=Beauty
|move4app=4
|move4jam=0}}
'''Miles'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Spinda
|nickname=Spinin
|type1=Normal
|ndex=327
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Teeter Dance
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=4
|move1jam=4
|move2=Psych Up
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Hypnosis
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=1
|move3jam=3
|move4=Uproar
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=3
|move4jam=0}}
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Audrey'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Swablu
|nickname=Swaby
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ndex=333
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Mirror Move
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=1
|move1jam=0
|move2=Perish Song
|move2cat=Beauty
|move2app=2
|move2jam=1
|move3=Safeguard
|move3cat=Beauty
|move3app=1
|move3jam=0
|move4=Mist
|move4cat=Beauty
|move4app=1
|move4jam=0}}
'''Avery'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Linoone
|nickname=Noone
|type1=Normal
|ndex=264
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Growl
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Covet
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=1
|move2jam=0
|move3=Sand-Attack
|move3cat=Cute
|move3app=2
|move3jam=1
|move4=Rest
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
'''Ariana'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Kecleon
|nickname=Kecon
|type1=Normal
|ndex=352
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Thief
|move1cat=Tough
|move1app=1
|move1jam=0
|move2=Screech
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=1
|move2jam=3
|move3=AncientPower
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=1
|move3jam=0
|move4=Constrict
|move4cat=Tough
|move4app=2
|move4jam=3}}
'''Ashton'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Goldeen
|nickname=Golden
|type1=Water
|ndex=118
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Horn Attack
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=4
|move1jam=0
|move2=Fury Attack
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=2
|move2jam=1
|move3=Horn Drill
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=2
|move3jam=1
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
'''Sandra'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Barboach
|nickname=Boboach
|type1=Water
|type2=Ground
|ndex=339
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Water Sport
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=4
|move1jam=0
|move2=Mud Sport
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=4
|move2jam=0
|move3=Rain Dance
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=1
|move3jam=0
|move4=Earthquake
|move4cat=Tough
|move4app=1
|move4jam=3}}
'''Carson'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Skarmory
|nickname=Corpy
|type1=Normal
|ndex=227
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Swift
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Double Team
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Agility
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=3
|move3jam=0
|move4=Cut
|move4cat=Cool
|move4app=2
|move4jam=1}}
'''Katrina'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Lotad
|nickname=Tado
|type1=Normal
|ndex=270
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Astonish
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=2
|move1jam=3
|move2=Water Pulse
|move2cat=Beauty
|move2app=3
|move2jam=0
|move3=Rain Dance
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=1
|move3jam=0
|move4=Growl
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
|}
===Hyper Rank===
{|width="100%" style="text-align:left"
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Ronnie'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Lairon
|nickname=Lairn
|type1=Steel
|type2=Rock
|ndex=305
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Metal Sound
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=1
|move1jam=3
|move2=Metal Claw
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=4
|move2jam=0
|move3=Harden
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Take Down
|move4cat=Tough
|move4app=6
|move4jam=0}}
'''Claudia'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Nuzleaf
|nickname=Nuzzle
|type1=Grass
|type2=Dark
|ndex=274
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Growth
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=1
|move1jam=0
|move2=Razor Wind
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=3
|move2jam=0
|move3=Explosion
|move3cat=Beauty
|move3app=8
|move3jam=0
|move4=Nature Power
|move4cat=Beauty
|move4app=1
|move4jam=0}}
'''Elias'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Ninjask
|nickname=Ninas
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|ndex=291
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Screech
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=1
|move1jam=3
|move2=Fury Swipes
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=2
|move2jam=1
|move3=Sand-Attack
|move3cat=Cute
|move3app=1
|move3jam=2
|move4=Baton Pass
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
'''Jade'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Swellow
|nickname=Welow
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ndex=277
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Agility
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=3
|move1jam=0
|move2=Aerial Ace
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Wing Attack
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Fly
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=1
|move4jam=0}}
'''Francis'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Mightyena
|nickname=Yena
|type1=Dark
|ndex=262
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Odor Sleuth
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=3
|move1jam=0
|move2=Thief
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=1
|move2jam=0
|move3=Taunt
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Bite
|move4cat=Tough
|move4app=1
|move4jam=3}}
'''Alisha'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Beautifly
|nickname=Tifly
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|ndex=267
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Morning Sun
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=1
|move1jam=0
|move2=Silver Wind
|move2cat=Beauty
|move2app=1
|move2jam=0
|move3=Stun Spore
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=1
|move3jam=2
|move4=Secret Power
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=1
|move4jam=0}}
'''Saul'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Seaking
|nickname=Kingsea
|type1=Water
|ndex=119
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Flail
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Supersonic
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=3
|move2jam=0
|move3=Horn Attack
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=4
|move3jam=0
|move4=Fury Attack
|move4cat=Cool
|move4app=2
|move4jam=1}}
'''Felicia'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Camerupt
|nickname=Erupam
|type1=Fire
|type2=Ground
|ndex=323
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Earthquake
|move1cat=Tough
|move1app=1
|move1jam=3
|move2=Fissure
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=2
|move2jam=1
|move3=Overheat
|move3cat=Beauty
|move3app=6
|move3jam=0
|move4=Hyper Beam
|move4cat=Cool
|move4app=4
|move4jam=4}}
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Emilio'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Machop
|nickname=Chopam
|type1=Fighting
|ndex=066
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Seismic Toss
|move1cat=Tough
|move1app=2
|move1jam=1
|move2=Focus Energy
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=1
|move2jam=3
|move3=Karate Chop
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=3
|move3jam=0
|move4=Scary Face
|move4cat=Tough
|move4app=2
|move4jam=1}}
'''Karla'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Lombre
|nickname=Lombe
|type1=Water
|type2=Grass
|ndex=271
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Attract
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Growl
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Uproar
|move3cat=Cute
|move3app=3
|move3jam=0
|move4=Flash
|move4cat=Beauty
|move4app=3
|move4jam=0}}
'''Darryl'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Seviper
|nickname=Vipes
|type1=Poison
|ndex=336
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Poison Fang
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=3
|move1jam=0
|move2=Glare
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=1
|move2jam=3
|move3=Wrap
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=3
|move3jam=0
|move4=Screech
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=1
|move4jam=3}}
'''Selena'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Wailmer
|nickname=Merail
|type1=Normal
|ndex=320
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Water Spout
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=1
|move1jam=0
|move2=Rest
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Water Pulse
|move3cat=Beauty
|move3app=3
|move3jam=0
|move4=Splash
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
'''Noel'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Magikarp
|nickname=Karpag
|type1=Water
|ndex=129
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Splash
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Tackle
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=4
|move2jam=0
|move3=Flail
|move3cat=Cute
|move3app=1
|move3jam=0}}
'''Lacey'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Lunatone
|nickname=Lunone
|type1=Rock
|type2=Psychic
|ndex=337
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Explosion
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=8
|move1jam=0
|move2=Future Sight
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=3
|move2jam=0
|move3=Psychic
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=1
|move3jam=3
|move4=Confusion
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=2
|move4jam=3}}
'''Corbin'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Pelipper
|nickname=Pelipe
|type1=Water
|type2=Flying
|ndex=279
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Mist
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=1
|move1jam=0
|move2=Hail
|move2cat=Beauty
|move2app=1
|move2jam=3
|move3=Hyper Beam
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=4
|move3jam=4
|move4=Wing Attack
|move4cat=Cool
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
|}

===Master Rank===
{|width="100%" style="text-align:left"
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Justina'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Gyarados
|nickname=Rados
|type1=Water
|type2=Flying
|ndex=130
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Rain Dance
|move1cat=Tough
|move1app=1
|move1jam=0
|move2=Hydro Pump
|move2cat=Beauty
|move2app=4
|move2jam=0
|move3=Bite
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=1
|move3jam=3
|move4=Hyper Beam
|move4cat=Cool
|move4app=4
|move4jam=4}}
'''Ralph'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Loudred
|nickname=Louderd
|type1=Normal
|ndex=295
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Hyper Voice
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=1
|move1jam=3
|move2=Stomp
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=1
|move2jam=4
|move3=Roar
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=3
|move3jam=0
|move4=Howl
|move4cat=Cool
|move4app=1
|move4jam=0}}
'''Rosa'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Delcatty
|nickname=Catted
|type1=Normal
|ndex=301
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Attract
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Assist
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=1
|move2jam=0
|move3=Faint Attack
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
'''Keaton'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Slaking
|nickname=Sling
|type1=Normal
|ndex=289
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Covet
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=1
|move1jam=0
|move2=Counter
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Encore
|move3cat=Cute
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Charm
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=2
|move4jam=1}}
'''Selena'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Altaria
|nickname=Taria
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Flying
|ndex=334
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Dragon Dance
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=1
|move1jam=0
|move2=Hyper Beam
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=4
|move2jam=4
|move3=Perish Song
|move3cat=Beauty
|move3app=2
|move3jam=1
|move4=Safeguard
|move4cat=Beauty
|move4app=1
|move4jam=0}}
'''Lamar'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Kirlia
|nickname=Shedja
|type1=Psychic
|ndex=281
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Shock Wave
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Shadow Ball
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=3
|move2jam=0
|move3=Return
|move3cat=Cute
|move3app=1
|move3jam=0
|move4=Skill Swap
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=1
|move4jam=0}}
'''Aubrey'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Vileplume
|nickname=Plumile
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ndex=045
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Petal Dance
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=4
|move1jam=4
|move2=Stun Spore
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=2
|move2jam=1
|move3=Flash
|move3cat=Beauty
|move3app=3
|move3jam=0
|move4=Sweet Scent
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=1
|move4jam=3}}
'''Nigel'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Duskull
|nickname=Kullusk
|type1=Ghost
|ndex=355
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Disable
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Future Sight
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=3
|move2jam=0
|move3=Night Shade
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=2
|move3jam=1
|move4=Pursuit
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=2
|move4jam=1}}
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Camille'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Xatu
|nickname=Utan
|type1=Psychic
|type2=Flying
|ndex=178
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Psychic
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=1
|move1jam=3
|move2=Future Sight
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=3
|move2jam=0
|move3=Night Shade
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=2
|move3jam=1
|move4=Confuse Ray
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=3
|move4jam=0}}
'''Deon'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Sharpedo
|nickname=Depos
|type1=Water
|type2=Dark
|ndex=319
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Swagger
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Agility
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=3
|move2jam=0
|move3=Taunt
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Take Down
|move4cat=Tough
|move4app=6
|move4jam=0}}
'''Janelle'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Luvdisc
|nickname=Luvis
|type1=Water
|ndex=370
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Sweet Kiss
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Attract
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Charm
|move3cat=Cute
|move3app=2
|move3jam=1
|move4=Take Down
|move4cat=Tough
|move4app=6
|move4jam=0}}
'''Heath'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Heracross
|nickname=Heross
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ndex=214
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Rock Tomb
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=3
|move1jam=0
|move2=Endure
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Strength
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=2
|move3jam=1
|move4=Reversal
|move4cat=Cool
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
'''Sasha'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Electrode
|nickname=Rodlect
|type1=Electric
|ndex=101
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Explosion
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=8
|move1jam=0
|move2=Light Screen
|move2cat=Beauty
|move2app=1
|move2jam=0
|move3=Swift
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Flash
|move4cat=Beauty
|move4app=3
|move4jam=0}}
'''Frankie'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Pichu
|nickname=Chupy
|type1=Electric
|ndex=172
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Sweet Kiss
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Attract
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Rest
|move3cat=Cute
|move3app=2
|move3jam=0
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4cat=Cute
|move4app=2
|move4jam=0}}
'''Helen'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=3
|alt=Contest
|pokemon=Wobbuffet
|nickname=Wobet
|type1=Psychic
|ndex=202
|game=Ruby and Sapphire
|move1=Counter
|move1cat=Tough
|move1app=2
|move1jam=0
|move2=Mirror Coat
|move2cat=Beauty
|move2app=2
|move2jam=0
|move3=Safeguard
|move3cat=Beauty
|move3app=1
|move3jam=0
|move4=Destiny Bond
|move4cat=Smart
|move4app=8
|move4jam=0}}
|}
===Emerald Exclusive Opponents===

==[[Generation IV]] opponents==
{{incomplete|section}}
===Normal Rank===
{|width="100%" style="text-align:left"
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Sara'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Zubat
|nickname=Batty
|type1=Poison
|type2=Flying
|gender=female
|ndex=041
|spritegender=female
|move1=Wing Attack
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=3
|move2=Astonish
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=3
|move3=Bite
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=3
}}
'''Luis'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Pikachu
|nickname=Sparky
|type1=Electric
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|ndex=025
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=2
|move2=ThunderShock
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=3
|move3=Thunderbolt
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=2
}}
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Tiffany'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Shinx
|nickname=Flick
|type1=Electric
|ndex=403
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|move1=Charge
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=0
|move2=Spark
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=2
|move3=Thunder Fang
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=3
}}
|}

===Great Rank===
{|width="100%" style="text-align:left"
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Alexus'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Hoothoot
|nickname=Hoots
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ndex=163
|move1=Roost
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=0
|move2=Foresight
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=1
|move3=Peck
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=3
}}
'''Amy'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Stunky
|nickname=Stinky
|type1=Poison
|type2=Dark
|ndex=434
|move1=Focus Energy
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=0
|move2=Night Slash
|move2cat=Beauty
|move2app=3
|move3=Fury Swipes
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=2
}}
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Cora'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Ponyta
|nickname=Blaze
|type1=Fire
|ndex=077
|move1=Fire Spin
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=0
|move2=Bounce
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=1
|move3=Flare Blitz
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=2
}}
|}

===Ultra Rank===
{|width="100%" style="text-align:left"
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Kara'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Bronzor
|nickname=Bronzy
|type1=Steel
|type2=Psychic
|ndex=436
|move1=Gyro Ball
|move1cat=Beauty
|move1app=2
|move2=Payback
|move2cat=Cool
|move2app=1
|move3=Iron Defense
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=2
}}
'''Lara'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Onix
|nickname=Gem
|type1=Rock
|type2=Ground
|ndex=095
|move1=Rage
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=0
|move2=Rock Tomb
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=2
|move3=Iron Tail
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=2
}}
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Alfredo'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Stunky
|nickname=Honey
|type1=Poison
|type2=Dark
|ndex=434
|move1=Focus Energy
|move1cat=Cool
|move1app=0
|move2=Night Slash
|move2cat=Beauty
|move2app=3
|move3=SmokeScreen
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=2
}}
|}

===Master Rank===
{|width="100%" style="text-align:left"
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Kelvin'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Buizel
|nickname=Zippy
|type1=Water
|ndex=418
|spritegender=male
|move1=Water Gun
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=3
|move2=Water Sport
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=2
|move3=Whirlpool
|move3cat=Beauty
|move3app=0
}}
'''Hailey'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Mime Jr.
|nickname=Moppet
|type1=Psychic
|ndex=439
|move1=Baton Pass
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=0
|move2=DoubleSlap
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=2
|move3=Trick
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=0
}}
'''Rodney'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Bonsly
|nickname=Twigs
|type1=Rock
|ndex=438
|move1=Faint Attack
|move1cat=Smart
|move1app=2
|move2=Block
|move2cat=Cute
|move2app=2
|move3=Rock Tomb
|move3cat=Smart
|move3app=2
}}
 
|width="50%" valign="top"|
'''Kaleb'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Hoothoot
|nickname=
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ndex=163
}}
'''Marisa'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Shieldon
|nickname=Rampy
|type1=Rock
|type2=Steel
|ndex=410
|move1=Protect
|move1cat=Cute
|move1app=0
|move2=Metal Burst
|move2cat=Beauty
|move2app=2
|move3=Iron Defense
|move3cat=Tough
|move3app=2
}}
'''Nancy'''
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Gastly
|nickname=Boo
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Poison
|ndex=092
|move1=Curse
|move1cat=Tough
|move1app=0
|move2=Lick
|move2cat=Tough
|move2app=0
}}
|}

====Notable contestants====
There are several contestants that are also encountered throughout the storylines of the games. They are only encountered in the Master Rank after you beat the Elite Four.

'''[[Fantina]]''' 
Fantina is a [[Gym Leader]], from [[Hearthome City]]. She competes with her {{p|Drifblim}}, [[nickname|named]] Loony.
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Drifblim
|nickname=Loony
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Flying
|ndex=426
|level=100
|gender=
|spritegender=
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Constrict
|move1cat=Tough
|move1app=0
|move2=Ominous Wind
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=0
|move3=Focus Energy
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=0
|move4=Explosion
|move4cat=Beauty
|move4app=0
}}

'''[[Johanna]]''' 
Johanna is the {{player}}'s [[mom|mother]]. She competes with her {{p|Kangaskhan}}, [[nickname|named]] Jumpy. She also seems to be well acquainted with the judge Keira.
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Kangaskhan
|nickname=Jumpy
|type1=Normal
|ndex=115
|gender=female
|move1=Dizzy Punch|move1cat=Cool|move1app=0
|move2=Endure|move2cat=Tough|move2app=2
|move3=Reversal|move3cat=Cool|move3app=2
|move4=Outrage|move4cat=Cool|move4app=2}}

'''[[Jasmine]]''' 
Jasmine is a [[Gym Leader]], from [[Olivine City]], in [[Johto]]. She competes with her {{p|Steelix}}, [[nickname|named]] Rusty.
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Steelix
|nickname=Rusty
|type1=Steel
|type2=Ground
|ndex=208
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Screech|move1cat=Smart|move1app=2
|move2=Stone Edge|move2cat=Tough|move2app=2
|move3=Mud Sport|move3cat=Cute|move3app=2
|move4=Fire Fang|move4cat=Beauty|move4app=3
}}

'''[[Pokémon Center Nurse|Casey]]''' 
Casey is a [[Pokémon Center Nurse]] (presumably {{ci|Hearthome}}'s). She competes with her {{p|Chansey}}, [[nickname|named]] Pinky.
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|game=Diamond
|alt=Contest
|ndex=113
|pokemon=Chansey
|nickname=Pinky
|type1=Normal
|gender=female
|move1=Healing Wish|move1cat=Cute
|move2=Fling|move2cat=Tough|move2app=1
|move3=Minimize|move3cat=Cute|move3app=2
|move4=Double-Edge|move4cat=Tough
}}

{{Contest}}

Pokémon Super Contest

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{{Search|contests held in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} and {{game|Platinum}}|the contests in [[Generation III]]|Pokémon Contest}}
----
[[File:Super Contest Hall.png|280px|The Super Contest Hall|thumb]]
A '''Pokémon Super Contest''' is an expanded format of the [[Pokémon Contest]]s for the [[Generation IV]] {{pkmn|games}}, specifically in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}. In it, [[Pokémon]] are rated on their appearance and performance, rather than strength. They are different from the previous generation's competitions in that not only do they have more rounds, but rounds from the earlier games have been altered. They come in four rankings in the same five categories as [[Generation III]]: [[Cool Contest|Cool]], [[Beauty Contest|Beauty]], [[Cute Contest|Cute]], [[Smart Contest|Smart]] and [[Tough Contest|Tough]].

All Super Contests are at the [[Contest Hall]] in [[Hearthome City]].

==Competitions==
===Visual Competition===
[[File:Super Contest.png|thumb|right|Lucas wins the Super Contest]]
The visual competition score consists of two parts: the condition portion and the dress-up portion. The score from the visual competition is the total number of hearts given from both portions.

==== Condition ====
The condition portion is the equivalent of the first round of the contests of [[Generation III]]. As in the previous generation, Pokémon are rated based on their [[condition]] in the appropriate category. These stats can be raised using [[Poffin]]s, rather than the [[Pokéblock]]s of the previous generation.

Scoring in the condition portion is also similar to that of [[Generation III]]. A Pokémon's score in the condition portion is the sum of the following:
* The condition in the contest attribute
* 1/2 of the condition in each of the contest's secondary attributes
* 1/2 of the Pokémon's sheen

This score is boosted by 10% if the Pokémon is holding the [[scarf]] in the primary attribute, and 5% if the Pokémon is holding the scarf in either secondary attribute. Depending on what this score is and the rank of the contest, a number of red hearts is shown for this portion:

{|
! Rank !! 0 !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8
|-
| Normal Rank || <9 || 10-19 || 20-29 || 30-39 || 40-49 || 50-59 || 60-69 || 70-79 || >80
|-
| Great Rank || <89 || 90-109 || 110-129 || 130-149 || 150-169 || 170-189 || 190-209 || 210-229 || >230
|-
| Ultra Rank || <169 || 170-199 || 200-229 || 230-259 || 260-289 || 290-319 || 320-349 || 350-379 || >380
|-
| Master Rank || <319 || 320-359 || 360-399 || 400-439 || 440-479 || 480-519 || 520-229 || 560-599 || >600
|-
| Link Contest || <99 || 100-199 || 200-299 || 300-399 || 400-449 || 450-499 || 500-549 || 550-599 || >600
|}

==== Dress-Up ====
However, in Super Contests, an extra element is added to these competitions by dressing up the Pokémon with [[accessory|accessories]] found in the [[Fashion Case]]. By using the stylus to drag and drop accessories onto the Pokémon, competitors must dress up their Pokémon as well as they can within the 60 second time limit. These competitions will have a randomly picked theme (chosen based on the rank of the contest) which the competitors must follow.

*'''Normal Rank''' - The Colorful, The Natural, The Created
*'''Great Rank''' - The Shapely, The Sharp, The Solid
*'''Ultra Rank''' - The Bright, The Gaudy, The Flexible
*'''Master Rank''' - The Festive, The Intangible, The Relaxed

A contest will have its theme chosen from those of its rank and those below it. Link Contests will have a theme selected from all themes.

In the Normal Rank Competition, a maximum of five accessories may be used. As coordinators move up the ranks, they may use five more accessories each time they advance.

The scores for each accessory and the corresponding theme is given on the accessory page. Depending on the accessory score and the rank of the contest, a number of pink hearts is shown:

{|
! Rank !! 0 !! 1 !! 2 !! 3
|-
| Normal Rank || <3 || 4-5 || 6-8 || >9
|-
| Great Rank || <5 || 6-10 || 11-15 || >16
|-
| Ultra Rank || <7 || 8-15 || 16-23 || >24
|-
| Master Rank / Link Contest || <10 || 11-20 || 21-30 || >31
|}

===Dance Competition===
In the next round, all four Pokémon dance on the stage. Competitors control their Pokémon with four buttons known as "Castanets": {{color|{{yellow color}}|Left}}, {{color|{{green color}}|Right}}, {{color|{{red color}}|Front}}, and {{color|{{blue color}}|Jump}}. The dancer in front chooses up to three steps in the Normal Rank and Great Rank{{sup|DP}}, and four in the Great Rank{{sup|Pt}}, Ultra and Master Ranks, matching the beat as closely as possible. Then the back-up dancers try to match the lead dancer's moves. Each Pokémon will lead for two measures (a measure is the time it takes for the lead dancer to make its moves and the backup dancers to follow), and each measure will contain 16 beats for both halves in the Normal and Great Ranks and 24 beats in the other ranks.

At the bottom of the top screen, a simple {{wp|Staff (music)|music staff}} shows the steps with a bouncing {{p|Jigglypuff}} on top of it keeping the beat.

A Pokémon earns 1 point for each step judged as "good", and 2 points for each step judged as "excellent". A step judged as a "miss" does not score. The maximum score for the dance competition is thus 48 points in contests with 3 steps, and 64 points in contests with 4 steps.

===Acting Competition===
This is the equivalent of the second round of contests in [[Generation III]]. Pokémon perform [[move]]s for one of the three judges, [[Jordan]], [[Contest Judge Dexter|Dexter]] and [[Keira]], to earn appeal points. At the end of each round, judges award extra points to the Pokémon: 3 points if only one Pokémon performed to them, 2 points each if two Pokémon performed to them, 1 point apiece if three Pokémon performed to them, and none if all Pokémon performed to them. This competition has four rounds, rather than the five rounds found in [[Generation III]]. The Pokémon, contrary to the regular contests, get their position by their scoring in reverse. The best scorer goes last and the worst scorer goes first. Performing a Contest-specific move (i.e. a tough move in a tough contest) to any judge causes their voltage to go up by 1, however, an incompatible move (such as a smart move in a cool contest) causes the voltage to go down by 1. The Pokémon who fills the voltage meter will receive a bonus from the judge they performed to: Keira and Jordan give +5, Dexter (as the head judge) gives +8.

Unlike [[Generation III]], a Pokémon cannot perform a move more than twice in a row for any reason; a Pokémon may not enter a Super Contest (including Visual and Dance practice sessions) if they only have one move.

The number of points earned from the acting competition is 10 times the number of hearts received.

=== Results ===
To compute a Pokémon's final score, the scores from each competition are first scaled such that the Pokémon with the best score in the competition is given 33 points, and the other Pokémon are given scores proportional to this score. This score is then scaled again such that the best score is given 64 points, and the other Pokémon are given scores proportional to this score. The final score of a Pokémon is the sum of the Pokémon's scores from each of the competitions, and the Pokémon with the highest final score wins. If there is a tie for highest score, a winner among the tied players is randomly chosen.

==Awards==
The winning Pokémon will receive a [[ribbon]] for the contest type and rank. They will also receive a special accessory the first time the contest is completed successfully.

===Accessory prizes===
====[[Cool Contest]]s====
{| align="left" style="background: #{{cool color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 2px solid #{{cool color}}"
|-
! style="background: #{{cool color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | Rank
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px; background: #{{cool color light}}" colspan="2" | Accessory
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Normal Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Red Barrette Sprite.png]]
| Red Barrette
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Great Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Red Balloons Sprite.png]]
| Red Balloons
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Ultra Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Top Hat Sprite.png]]
| Top Hat
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Master Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Gold Pedestal Sprite.png]]
| Gold Pedestal
|} 

====[[Beauty Contest]]s====
{| align="left" style="background: #{{beauty color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 2px solid #{{beauty color}}"
|-
! style="background: #{{beauty color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | Rank
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px; background: #{{beauty color light}}" colspan="2" | Accessory
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Normal Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Blue Barrette Sprite.png]]
| Blue Barrette
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Great Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Blue Balloons Sprite.png]]
| Blue Balloons
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Ultra Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Silk Veil Sprite.png]]
| Silk Veil
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Master Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Glass Stage Sprite.png]]
| Glass Stage
|} 

====[[Cute Contest]]s====
{| align="left" style="background: #{{cute color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 2px solid #{{cute color}}"
|-
! style="background: #{{cute color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | Rank
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px; background: #{{cute color light}}" colspan="2" | Accessory
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Normal Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Pink Barrette Sprite.png]]
| Pink Barrette
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Great Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Pink Balloon Sprite.png]]
| Pink Balloon
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Ultra Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Lace Headress Sprite.png]]
| Lace Headdress
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Master Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Flower Stage Sprite.png]]
| Flower Stage
|} 

====[[Smart Contest]]s====
{| align="left" style="background: #{{smart color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 2px solid #{{smart color}}"
|-
! style="background: #{{smart color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | Rank
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px; background: #{{smart color light}}" colspan="2" | Accessory
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Normal Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Green Barrette Sprite.png]]
| Green Barrette
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Great Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Green Balloons Sprite.png]]
| Green Balloons
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Ultra Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Professor Hat Sprite.png]]
| Professor Hat
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Master Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Cube Stage Sprite.png]]
| Cube Stage
|} 

;[[Tough Contest|Tough Contests]]
{| align="left" style="background: #{{tough color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 2px solid #{{tough color}}"
|-
! style="background: #{{tough color light}}; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | Rank
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px; background: #{{tough color light}}" colspan="2" | Accessory
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Normal Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Yellow Barrette Sprite.png]]
| Yellow Barrette
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Great Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Yellow Balloon Sprite.png]]
| Yellow Balloon
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Ultra Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Heroic Headband Sprite.png]]
| Heroic Headband
|- align="center" style="background:#FFFFFF"
| align="center" | Master Rank
| align="center" | [[File:Accessory Award Podium Sprite.png]]
| Award Podium
|} 

==Notable contestants==
There are several contestants that are also encountered throughout the storylines of the games. They are only encountered in the Master Rank after you beat the Elite Four.

===[[Fantina]]===
Fantina is a [[Gym Leader]], from [[Hearthome City]]. She competes with her {{p|Drifblim}}, [[nickname|named]] Loony.
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Drifblim
|nickname=Loony
|type1=Ghost
|type2=Flying
|ndex=426
|level=100
|gender=
|spritegender=
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Constrict
|move1cat=Tough
|move1app=0
|move2=Ominous Wind
|move2cat=Smart
|move2app=0
|move3=Focus Energy
|move3cat=Cool
|move3app=0
|move4=Explosion
|move4cat=Beauty
|move4app=0
}}

===[[Johanna]]===
Johanna is the {{player}}'s [[mom|mother]]. She competes with her {{p|Kangaskhan}}, [[nickname|named]] Jumpy. She also seems to be well acquainted with the judge Keira.
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Kangaskhan
|nickname=Jumpy
|type1=Normal
|ndex=115
|gender=female
|move1=Dizzy Punch|move1cat=Cool|move1app=0
|move2=Endure|move2cat=Tough|move2app=2
|move3=Reversal|move3cat=Cool|move3app=2
|move4=Outrage|move4cat=Cool|move4app=2}}

===[[Jasmine]]===
Jasmine is a [[Gym Leader]], from [[Olivine City]], in [[Johto]]. She competes with her {{p|Steelix}}, [[nickname|named]] Rusty.
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|alt=Contest
|game=Diamond and Pearl
|pokemon=Steelix
|nickname=Rusty
|type1=Steel
|type2=Ground
|ndex=208
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Screech|move1cat=Smart|move1app=2
|move2=Stone Edge|move2cat=Tough|move2app=2
|move3=Mud Sport|move3cat=Cute|move3app=2
|move4=Fire Fang|move4cat=Beauty|move4app=3
}}

===[[Pokémon Center Nurse|Casey]]===
Casey is a [[Pokémon Center Nurse]] (presumably {{ci|Hearthome}}'s). She competes with her {{p|Chansey}}, [[nickname|named]] Pinky.
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|game=Diamond
|alt=Contest
|ndex=113
|pokemon=Chansey
|nickname=Pinky
|type1=Normal
|gender=female
|move1=Healing Wish|move1cat=Cute
|move2=Fling|move2cat=Tough|move2app=1
|move3=Minimize|move3cat=Cute|move3app=2
|move4=Double-Edge|move4cat=Tough
}}

==Trivia==
* The Contest Ranks are named after the original Kanto [[Poké Ball]]s (Normal, Great, Ultra, Master). They also were in [[Generation III]], although it seems the translation team did not catch this, as back then the ''Japanese'' Poké Ball names (Normal, Super, Hyper, Master) were used in the English versions.
* Pokémon that have ribbons earned in [[Generation III]] contests do not have any advantage when entering a Super Contest; they must go through all four ranks no matter what.
* Pokémon back sprites are often flipped in the Acting portion of the contest, but there are exceptions for noticeably asymmetrical Pokémon, such as {{p|Togekiss}} and {{p|Budew}}.
** In spite of this, {{p|Weezing}}'s sprite is flipped, despite its obviously asymmetrical appearance.
* There appears to be a formal or semi-formal dress code for Super Contest entrants—in the [[Generation IV]] games, the player character is given a tuxedo or dress (dependent on gender) by Johanna prior to their first contest, and anime characters are also required to dress up for Sinnoh region contests (though {{Ash}} didn't do so in his first contest).
* In {{game|Platinum}}, the Pokémon keep their sprite from Diamond and Pearl during the Dress Up and Dance competitions, likely due to points being awarded based on where on the Pokémon the accessories are placed.

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Talk:Pokémon Super Contest

2011-05-20T18:02:01Z

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Talk:Phione (Pokémon)

2010-12-18T03:05:32Z

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==Phione- Legendary or not?==
Can phione really be considered a legendary? It is by no means limited to one a game cartridge as legendary Pokemon are, given that it can breed with Ditto as well as any Magnemite, Rotom, or Baltoy. It's base stats are the same as Glalie's. Which is NOT legendary. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to be a legendary, doesn't a Pokemon have to be only one per game without trading, and have at least SOMEWHAT good stats?
:In my opinion, it's okay the way this article puts it. It doesn't mention Phione being a legendary, yet it's in the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Sinnoh_Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon legendary category] because it's related to Manaphy (and its Pokédex number is among legendaries). Kind of like an honorable mention in lists, but still not worth of mentioning a legendary status when talking about Phione itself. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
::Hmm... It's because of the criterion of mine I mentioned in the last paragraph that I didn't like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Phione_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=142880&oldid=142060 this update]. I wonder if somebody agrees with me. Was it really necessary to mention that "it's still considered a legendary"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 00:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:My opinion is that Phione is classed as a legendary Pokémon because of it's relation to Manaphy as Johans has said. Also, legendary Pokémon do not evolve. Phione does not evolve into Manaphy either therefore, it must have some legendary traits. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]]
:You know, I'd have to say Phione is best classified as legendary. It's a derivative of a legendary - more closely tied to a true legendary Pokémon than Mewtwo is to Mew. It's a black sheep of the lot, but still pretty legendary, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 02:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
::What's the role of the Phione species in Mystery Dungeon 2? I still vote for never mentioning explicitly "Phione is a legendary" until the whole franchise hints it well enough. This means official text saying it's a legendary, side games with extraordinary plots related to Phione, whether or not it will protagonize a hosou or a story arc, whether or not it will be a bonus Poké Ball in Super Smash Bros. Brawl... IDK... Stuff like that. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 22:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Before continuing with the edit war on the Trivia section, I must say I agree with Missingno. Master on removing that line from the Trivia section which says "Without using cheats or trading, Phione is the only legendary Pokémon that a player can have more that one of". The reason to put it back (as seen [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Phione_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=next&oldid=255470 here]) is based just on the template. Such unability to say whether Phione is legendary or not only makes that line worthy of being removed IMO. Something can be an exception, but you can't tell if this one is. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's because I suck at reasons. XD; [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

If Pokemon.com says Phione is legendary, Phione is legendary! Phione is most likely considered legendary because it is '''of legend''' in the same way Mew and Arceus have legends surrounding them. I don't actually recall Nintendo or the Pokemon franchise explicitly state what the benchmark is for a legendary. The classifications for a legendary, (such as only one per game, high stats and inability to breed), were most likely assumed after the second Generation or so and were constatly reinforced with more legendaries fitting the criteria.
Maybe the classification has just been broken.

Phione is definately legendary but it's caused so much debate because it doesn't fit into the assumed criteria. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 13:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Phione is a conundrum. I really don't think of it as legendary, as it is "legendary" the same way Rotom is. Rotom is rare and has the legendary music play, but reproduces more of its own kind with Ditto; Phione's breeding is exactly like Rotom's. It traces its lineage from legends but doesn't have the stats to match up. Mewtwo is considered legendary due to its "one-of-a-kind" status and immense power. I say Phione is more of an "Almost, but not quite Legendary" pokemon, as it basically lacks that one special (probably yellow) element or essence that Manaphy has that makes it legendary. So, I think it's not like Phione is a demotion to borderline-legendary status, I think it's more like Manaphies being "Chosen Phiones" who are more powerful and pure (and legendary) as a result. This occasional legendary status isn't passed down from this special "Phione", and thus its children are normal Phiones. I don't think this debate would be so hectic if breeding wasn't the only way to obtain Phione. I say Phione belongs in the same category as Rotom as far as legendary status is concerned (Which is no) That's actually not a bad theory, that Manaphy are stronger Phione rather than Phione being weaker Manaphy. [[User:Kohdok|Kohdok]] 08:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:Phione isn't a legendary. Multiple Phione can be bred from Manaphy. Multiple Phione can be bred from Phione. Also, its base stats aren't very high. I don't know why its banned from the Battle Tower, but likely because they are too delicate for competitive battling. [[User:Dusknoir477|Dusknoir477]] 09:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

"Phione is a legendary because it can be obtained by breeding a [[Manaphy]], and Manaphy is a legendary. Yes, it is a baby pokemon, but it's cool that a [[baby pokemon]] is a legendary. The only reason it's band from the [[Battle Frontier]] is because it IS A LEGENDARY!!!!! (duh) --[[User:Platinum giratina13|Platinum giratina13]] 21:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

As per my above post, has anyone actually read or heard Nintendo state what actually MAKES a Legendary a Legendary? With the arrival of the Phione/Manaphy legendary debate, the assumed criteria of not being able to breed, one-of-a-kind-ness, and high stats would technically be outdated as Phione and Manaphy are confirmed legenderies.
Accoriding to the "new" rules, the only criteria for a legendary to be legendary is for Nintendo to say it's legendary! END OF STORY! [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 20:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Phione is not legendary. However, evolution cannot be the only criteria because when togepi was introduced it was considered to be legendary but it now is part of a three-tier evolutionary line.

== Baby Pokemon? ==
Is it really ok to designate it as a Baby? It really doesn't fit any of the criteria of a Baby Pokemon. I mean it can breed, and to my understanding, Phione isn't a pre-evolution of Manaphy (As exemplified by the fact that it can't ever evolve into it. >_>) so much as a Manaphy that was bred in colder waters. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not a baby Pokémon. Baby Pokémon evolve and can't breed. Phione breeds and can't evolve. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon|Glitch]] and [[Pokémon|Official]] Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|should be considered equal]]!-- quoted by {{u|Missingno. Master}}
 14:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== This... Egg move... ==

Okay, weeks ago I taught my Manaphy the move {{m|Waterfall}}, and I recently got a Ditto. Today, when my first Phione hatched from its Egg, guess what? It knew Waterfall!! But why in the world no Pokémon site mentions it? Not even [http://www.legendarypokemon.net Legendary Pokémon], the first people to publicly hack the game, talk of this. Maybe now that Manaphy was given away in an easier way, more people can help me confirming this (maybe it's an in-game bug or something? Or some game mechanics that have been overlooked?).

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===By [[breeding]]===

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Please do discuss. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

It's an HM. That's why. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 02:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:Oh... Does it always happen with babies and HM moves then? ^_^' And why isn't it valid to place it in the learnset lists? Is it because it's "obvious"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:26, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and yes. It's listed under... breeding... i think. [[User:Inker|Inker]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:Always happens with compatible HMs and TMs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
They grow up so fast.

== Pssssst ==

Well well well, I just checked Pokemon.com and they just said Phione is indeed, not legendary. Aww shoot, I totally thought it was. Go to the mailbag. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:does that mean i can use it in the PBR little cup? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
::No because all the Pokémon you use have to be a pre-evolution of another Pokémon. And since Phione doesn't evolve well... --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 04:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:::oh well. its not like i have PBR anyway. (oh the irony!!) '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I absolutely HATE to say I told you so.... But what the heck! I told you so! =D --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 11:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Ah, contradiction. [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008 This] is also from Pokemon.com's mailbag, saying that Phione ''is'' legendary. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 19:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
WHAT?! This is impossible! Why would they change their answer??? HOW can something with Glalie's base stats be legendary?! --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yessss! I totally thought Phione was legendary, I mean, it IS related to one anyway. Anyway, no more fricking revert/edit wars now. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Why are you so happy? Phione breaks all the laws of legendaries- it can breed, it has bad stats, you can have more than one of them in PMD2... This upsets me, because all my carefully reasoned arguements, which by all rights should've been right, have been proven wrong! Plus, this means that if I use Phione in competitive battle, I'll be breaking my own rule of no legendaries. D< --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe because I actually THOUGHT Phione was a legendary? There's a word that you might want to hear about-- Exceptions. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
But how can Phione be an exception to EVERY SINGLE RULE THAT DEFINES A LEGENDARY, AND STILL BE A LEGENDARY?! '''IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.''' --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yea, it says here http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008 that it is legendary....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 21:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Lol yeah, we reverted the 'non-legendary' things a while ago. *points up to Szayel's post* [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Let's not forget that there was never a specific "rule" that said legendaries couldn't do what Phione does. After all, Latios and Latias didn't break the legendary genderless rule, they were merely the first legendaries with genders. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 08:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Plus, Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres were sort of confirmed to lay eggs in [[Pokemon Snap]], though I'm not sure if that counts or not.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

I recall an episode, no, three episodes of ''Pokémon: Master Quest'' where Ash encountered a Lugia and a baby Lugia. Does that mean Legendary Pokémon can have babies, in this case Manaphy getting Phione? [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 18:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:Some Legendaries have been shown to breed outside of the main series, like the three Birds in ''Snap''. But Phione is not a baby Manaphy because it can never become a Manaphy. Perhaps if one were to breed a Manaphy in Fiore then one would get another Manaphy egg. Of course, Manaphy eggs can't appearantly hatch in Fiore. This is all speculation, of course. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

But Phione can get another Phione as a baby.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 02:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, but you can also breed a Magnemite to get another Magnemite. That doesn't classify it as a baby Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 13:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, the classification of "Baby Pokémon" is that they're too young to breed. I forgot that until now.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 14:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Just a thought: I still don't feel naming Phione a legendary Pokémon for a reason like that (the mailbox from Pokémon.com) is enough. What about Japanese denominations (densetsu, maboroshi, shinwa)? Which one is Phione? Bulbapedia is an output from us, but it's an input to many people. Saying Phione is a legendary because of that may be unhelpful if players organize battles or even trades where "legendaries aren't allowed" and they want to believe in this article instead of believing in sites that base themselves on stats and stuff. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

An excellent point. How do we know Pokemon.com is correct? They changed their answer once before, which could indicate that they themselves don't have any idea, and are just guessing. Really, the only ones who'd know for sure are the creators themselves, the ones who actually came up with Phione. We can't count on Pokemon.com to know what the creators were thinking. So I'd say Phione's legendary status would still be uncertain. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 14:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:I think that given its place in the Pokédex and how it was required to have a Legendary Pokémon to obtain should be enough proof. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:37, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, so Dratini, Dragonair, and Dragonite are legendaries, because they're squeezed in between the bird trio and Mewtwo, are they? They are according to your logic. And secondly, just because a legendary Pokemon breeds to make a different species altogether, doesn't mean that the different species is also a legendary. Now, if Phione was unable to breed and had better stats, I would think it's a legendary. But anything with base stats equal to Glalie's and the ability to breed with Ditto like crazy? I mean, isn't the whole thing behind legendaries the fact that they're supposed to be HARD TO GET? And Phione can frickin' breed! Nintendo's never let us get more than one of each legendary per game w/o trading. Alright, here is, as I percieve it, the main points in the Phione Legendary Argument;
Phione must be legendary because;
*It is bred from another legendary
*Its position in the Pokédex
*Genderless
Phione CAN'T be a legendary because;
*Its stats are mediocre at best
*It can breed, and therefore more than one per game cart can be easily obtained

And two of the points that say it's legendary I have already shot down. The Dragonite, Tyranitar, and Metagross families are squeezed between legendaries, and does that make them legendaries? No, it does not! Does Phione's position in the Pokédex classify it as a legendary? Absolutely not! And maybe it is bred from another legendary- does that actually MEAN anything about Phione's legendary status? No! Mew was said to be the ancestor of all Pokémon, does that mean that every single Pokémon in existance is legendary? I didn't think so! And the stats! The one major consistancy about legendaries (aside from the whole can't breed thing) is their good stats. And Glalie's base stats are not good. Now then, based on that argument, I'd say Phione cannot in any way in any form, shape, or existance, be a legendary, and you'd be insane to think it is. Thank you and have a nice day. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 11:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:The families you mentioned are not Legendary because they are ''families''. Phione does not evolve from or into another Pokémon. Don't be so stubborn... Phione is a Legendary, and [[MissingNo.]] isn't a real Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

::Until recently, Roselia couldn't evolve into or from anything else. And don't drag MissingNo. into this. The fact that they are families means nothing. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 18:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

:::The fact that they are families means everything because Legendaries do not evolve. Which is why they can be surrounded by Legendary Pokémon in the Pokédex and not be considered. And you brought them up. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 22:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

::::Well, Rotom doesn't evolve and is oddly squeezed in between a bunch of evolutions and legendaries, and is it a legendary? Definitely not. Some people even thought it WAS a legendary for that reason (and the fact that legendary battle music played when it was battled), and yet, they were WRONG! Evolutions notwithstanding, the mere fact that there CAN be non-legendaries sandwiched between legendaries in the Pokédex means that Phione's position in said Pokédex doesn't mean a thing. And just because something doesn't evolve to or from anything doesn't mean it won't. Again, I point out Roselia as a prime example here. Dang thing got a pre-evo AND an evolution in the same generation! Now, I know Pokémon.com said that Phione is legendary, but they originally said it wasn't. The mere fact that they changed their answer indicates that they are doubtful. They could be guessing. Phione breaks the two cardinal rules that define legendaries; rarity (Phione can breed with Ditto to create more Phione), and strength (base stats of Glalie-not good). Legendaries are supposed to have at least DECENT base stats, and Phione's stats? Far from it. Most importantly, and this is the point most of you are overlooking, legendaries are supposed to be ONE PER GAME, sans trading/events. And Phione can BREED. Legendaries aren't SUPPOSED to reproduce in the games like this! That's why Phione was created in the first place-so Manaphy could lay eggs that hatched into something other than itself, so people wouldn't be running around with a *bleep*load of Manaphy on one game. Now THINK about that for a while, won't you? I propose that Phione's legendary status be labeled as "unconfirmed" until we get irrefutable proof of its legendary status (or lack thereof) by those who would know. Let's wait and see how the Anime portrays it, for example. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 10:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Cardinal rule that defines legendaries? There are none, and there hasn't been one that didn't get thrown out the window in the last two generations besides the fact that they can't evolve.
:::::Also, don't use Roselia for an example. Just because it can't evolve doesn't mean it's a legendary, but because Phione's legendary it cannot evolve. Squares and rectangles, you see. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. And I ''highly'' doubt that Manaphy will ever gain an evo or even a prevo. Rotom, on the other hand, is more likely. Besides, who ever said that base stats defined legendary status? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Nobody... It's more of an intuitive meaning. Like, most Pokémon movies and major story arcs are protagonized by legendary Pokémon. In the anime, legendary Pokémon are "powerful". And non-coincidentally, their stats are high in the Pokémon games, which is an accurate meaning for "powerful". --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::Doesn't mean they couldn't make a crappy legendary. As of Gen I, the rules were ONE PER GAME, HIGH STATS, and NO EVOLVING. Once Gen II rolled around we got NO GENDER and NO BREEDING. Gen III took down the ONE PER GAME thing since Brandon had the damned Regi and the NO GENDER thing with Lati@s. All Gen IV did was remove NO BREEDING and HIGH STATS, since Phione sucks. Well, actually, not really sucks, just isn't incredibly cheaply high. People want less legendaries, how the hell else are they going to do anything unless they gradually reduce legendaries into little more than normal Pokémon? Sheesh, Heatran has a variable gender! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, sure, they COULD create a crappy legendary, but why would they? Legendary Pokémon have always been portrayed as powerful Pokémon that cannot breed. Legendary Pokémon are put up high on pedestals by those who create them. Legendaries sell movies. It's clear that the creators of Pokémon want the public to have a high opinion of legendaries, so why wreck it with a legendary that you can get a *bleep*load of in any given game, and that has less than decent stats? I don't think they would. Now, I want any one of you to list for me all the overwhelming reasons that prove beyond conclusive doubt that Phione is a legendary. Anyone? Nobody? OK, let me think here.... Oh, I know! Phione's bred from Manaphy! My goodness! Oh, how I must have been mistaken! Oh, Phione's bred from Manaphy! Son of cheese, that MUST mean it's legendary! Anyone who agreed with my last two sentences is a complete imbecile. For the love of Arceus, people, just because a Pokémon can be hatched from an egg that has been laid by a Legendary Pokémon doesn't mean that the offspring is legendary! Pichu hatch from eggs laid by Pikachu and Raichu, so does that make Pikachu and Raichu baby Pokémon? Of course not! Now, I want you people to think- just THINK- about it for a moment. Given the evidence I have presented, not just now, but over my entire career of arguing that Phione cannot be legendary, versus the single, measly fact that it can be bred from Manaphy, not to mention an entirely unconvincing letter from Pokémon.com (in which, may I remind you all, they changed their answer, indicating that they don't really know and are more than likely guessing), can you REALLY, in sound mind and complete sanity, STILL say, with the utmost conviction, that Phione is a legendary? DIDN'T THINK SO! OH, DUH! I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 01:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Phione is legendary... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 02:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:Phione's legendary status is debatable as we have not received word from the Jap creators. But still, Phione is legendary because it can ShoopWhoop. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:37 2 Jul 2008'''''
:If Phione's not legendary, neither is Manaphy. Neither is Mewtwo. Manaphy is hatched from an egg, it matters not that you can't dump it in the daycare and get more Manaphy. The reason FOR Phione is just that: they KNEW that after getting an egg with Manaphy people would try for more, breed with Ditto, and end up whining if it were like Mew or Celebi. So they made Phione to trick people. As for Mewtwo, it was created by humans. No legend there. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
And why do you think they did that with Manaphy in the first place? So people couldn't get more easily! Phione, on the other hand, can breed. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 14:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

:Which makes Phione the first legendary that can successfully breed. No one ever said that all legendaries have to fit into some definable category forever more. And the fact that it's stats are lacking is because it can breed. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

::YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT! The mere fact that Manaphy can breed, but not to create more Manaphy, indicates that legendaries aren't SUPPOSED to breed! As I've previously stated, if the fact that Manaphy can breed to make Phione is the only argument for Phione's legendary status, then it's a real feeble-ass argument, as, if Phione were indeed a legendary, then it would be the only legendary with breeding capabilities and mediocre stats, and I don't think that that's all that likely! Think about it! If they were going to make it so legendaries were breedable, there would be no Phione, and Manaphy could just lay more Manaphy eggs! OH DUH! I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 16:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

It was never set in stone that legendaries cannot breed and have to be one of a kind. If Nintendo and Game Freak want to make a sub-par legendary, then SO BE IT!!! Obviously the person who stated that Phione was not legendary was mistaken, and they corrected that mistake. Things change. Nothing has to be the exact same every generation. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

:OK, what you're saying WOULD make a lot of sense, if it didn't indicate that you never actually comprehended my arguments. THINK! If Nintendo and Game Freak wanted to create a breedable legendary at all, Phione wouldn't even exist, as the only reason they made it was that Manaphy could lay eggs without them hatching into more Manaphy! They would've just made Manaphy able to produce more Manaphy eggs! But they didn't! They made Manaphy able to breed a completely different species, and THAT species can breed, and it can't evolve into Manaphy. You know what this means? LEGENDARIES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BREED, AND PHIONE IS LIVING PROOF! Now I agree, they COULD make a sub-par legendary. My point, however, is, WHY WOULD THEY? Look at the movies- legendary Pokémon are constantly spoken of with reverence, portrayed as grand, majestic, powerful, and rare, depictions that hold true in the games. Now, do you REALLY think that they'd besmirch the good name of legendaries, which they have worked so hard to glorify, by creating a legendary as common as Bidoof and as weak as Glalie? DIDN'T THINK SO! And before anyone replies to this, why don't you actually READ what I type, and let it sink in, let the gears of reason start turning in your head, and don't just come up with another lame excuse of an excuse as to why Phione is STILL legendary, despite all my well-reasoned arguments proving otherwise. Thank you. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 11:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::<<sigh>>... The games and the movies are made by different people and follow completely different canon. According to the anime, Unown are legendary and powerful. Plus, who's to say that you can't produce more Manaphy eggs in a future generation? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Missingno. Master, I don't really think that the Games even held Legendaries as being high, majestic, and one of a kind. If they had, Brandon would NOT have had the three Golems OR the three Birds (the former of which can ALSO be caught in the wild), Palmer would NOT have owned Heatran, Cresselia, and Regigigas. Also, I won't get too spoilerific, but in Movie 11, let's just say that Shaymin isn't the only one of it's kind (Then again, considering the same event that Shaymin debuted in had a similar white rock located in Kanto (not to mention it being obtained in Almia), it was also hinted that it wasn't really one of a kind there either.). And anyways, even IF you can't breed Manaphies from Manaphies in Sinnoh, the mere fact that it HAD an egg proves that it can breed from another Manaphy, which would hint that, by your logic, it's not even a legendary. Also, the three dogs, Rayquaza, Groudon, Kyogre, Celebi, Mew, and Deoxys wouldn't have multiple members in Fiore (If Manaphy is counted as an official Main Legendary despite originating from a Spinoff game, then I'm going to count Fiore as a main game region as well.). the three dogs, Lugia, and Ho-Oh would ALSO have not appeared in Kanto/Sevii Islands if that was the case. heck, the three dogs, Ho-Oh, Lugia, the three birds, and Celebi would NOT have existed in Orre at all if they were one of a kind. The three Regis would ALSO have not existed in Sinnoh at ALL if legendaries were truly one of a kind. So please stop acting as though they shouldn't have multitudes. In fact, the only legendary pokemon that HASN'T had multitudes period is Mewtwo itself. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
::::But, the fact still remains that in the games, legendaries are supposed to be one per cartridge. Manaphy itself is proof of this- if legendaries weren't intended to be one per cartridge, Phione wouldn't exist, as Manaphy would be able to produce more Manaphy. That's why Phione exist- to prevent Manaphy from breeding more Manaphy. And Phione are certainly NOT one per cartridge, as anyone with a Phione, a Ditto, and access to a daycare center can easily get as many Phione as they wish. And then there is the matter of its stats. Legendary Pokemon are powerful. They have good stats. They can learn Hyper Beam and other powerful moves. Phione has base 80 stats all around and can't learn Hyper Beam or any variant. It has no exclusive move (true, not all legendaries do). It doesn't even learn all the moves Manaphy can. And it doesn't learn ANY move Manaphy can't. True, this does not conclusively prove Phione to not be legendary, but it certainly lends a hefty amount of support towards that side of the issue. Certainly more than "It's bred from Manaphy, it must be legendary". - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::I can come up with better. It says so right there on Pokemon.com. Yes, I get that they corrected the answer. You're just reading into WHY it was. It's a wild guess, but I'm betting that the IT person who updates the website isn't intricately connected with anyone who makes or translates the games. He tried to answer it on his own, did it incorrectly, and was corrected. Either way, if you have a better source than POKEMON.COM that that says it isn't a legendary, I'd like to see it.
::::::As for all this talk about "Legends are this, legends are that", none of it is true. The only requirement to be a "Legendary Pokemon" is to be deemed one by Game Freak. What moves they learn are largely irrelevant, because many Pokemon have vast move pools. Gen 3 and 4 often have Legends as Plot Devices, but it doesn't hold true to Gen I, II, and those that are exclusive to events.[[User:Randomspot555|Randomspot555]] 22:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't know why the so-called MissigNo. Master is so upset that Phione is a legendary! I could say more reasons why it is I just don't want to, and some of them are already said, becasue it's so obvious! It is!!! DEAL WITH IT! Now, another reason nobody has said or at least so far I've read, it makes no sense to make a legendary Pokémon to breed ''into''(I don't know which preposition goes here) a not-legendary one. That's just not logic!, I mean, we all know Manaphy IS legendary right, then why would it be able to bread (into another species, anyway) into a not legendary?? MAKES NO SENSE, it is legendary despite its "bad stats", ability to breed and it doesn't evolve, even into the species it can come from, etc..

Would other legendary breed (if more could) into a not-legendary one? for example a Moltres if it could breed together with Ditto... you think the baby would be a, say, Growlithe? Of course not, It would be, I don't know, a new species, or another Moltres and it would still be a legendary.

Pokémon is in constant change, they created a new kind of legendary, maybe the only one of its kind -that can breed-, or at least so far, who says that maybe in next generations more and new legendaies will not be able to breed?? Maybe they would! People really need to start THINKING about the logic in here, and the BIG, really big POSIBILITY that it could be a legendary!--[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 18:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

:Reviving this argument, I will just have what I hope to be my final say in this. Thus far, here are the facts:

Phione must be legendary because;
*It is bred from another legendary
*Its position in the Pokédex
*Genderless
*Pokémon.com said so

Phione CAN'T be a legendary because;
*Its stats are mediocre at best
**Legendaries have stats that are decent at the least.
*Inordinate amounts of them appeared in the anime, more than any legendary.
**It's rare to see more than one of any given species of legendary in the anime, let alone in the same episode. No less than six appeared in [[DP113]].
*It can breed, and therefore more than one per game cart can be easily obtained
**It's a well-known fact that legendaries are supposed to be one per game cart, outside of trading.

The points in the "Phione must be legendary" column are <strike>full of crap</strike> inconclusive because;
*Manaphy can breed to create Phione for the sole purpose of preventing the breeding of more Manaphy, which right there proves that legendaries are not supposed to breed. See, if legendaries were supposed to breed, Phione wouldn't even exist, as Manaphy would be able to create more of itself.
*Dratini, Larvitar, and their evolutions are sandwiched in between groups of legendaries in most Pokédex entries, and they're not legendaries.
*Voltorb, Magneton, Baltoy, Metang, and Rotom are all genderless. None of them are legendary.
*Pokémon.com also said that Shaymin's Sky Forme had Natural Cure, that Swallow was a new attack for Generation IV, and that there was a Staraptor in Jumping Rocket Ship. Also, the fact that they changed their answer denotes unsureness.

Now, let me get this through to you. I will say this once, and only once. I will only back down from my argument if, and only if, Satoshi Tajiri ''himself'' personally declares that Phione is a legendary. That, in my opinion, is the only source that will provide a definitive answer. I will accept nothing less. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] says: The [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] is real![[User talk: Missingno. Master|(talk page)]] 22:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:Pssssst. '''Legendary''' (''ˈlɛdʒənˌdɛri'') adj. '''1.''' of, pertaining to, or of the nature of a legend. // Phione is allegedly a bringer of good luck to those who see it; tourists flock to Chocovine just to get a glimpse of Phione. That hints at Phione being a rare Pokémon with uncommon abilities, both of which can be associated with a Pokémon of legend. [http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq41/PDLpics/23a814bea263b08a6dee29561e6906dae1d.gif] '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
::I am not getting mad at video games. I am getting mad at people mistaking Phione for a legendary. As for the anime, that actually proves nothing. In the anime, Phione are rare. In the anime, Metagross are damaged by Poison Tail. In the anime, wild Squirtle form troublemaking gangs. In the anime, Dustox can learn Stun Spore. In the anime, Geodude and Golem can be floored by Thunderbolt. In the anime, ahem, PIKACHU! AIM FOR THE HORN! In the games, Phione are easy to get. In the games, Metagross are unaffected by Poison Tail. In the games, there are no wild Squirtle. In the games, Dustox can't learn Stun Spore. In the games, no ground type can be harmed by Thunderbolt. My point being, the anime was made after the games, and do not necessarily need to conform to them. And they don't, in many cases. I admit, it was therefore wrong of me to drag the anime into this argument. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] says: The [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] is real![[User talk: Missingno. Master|(talk page)]] 22:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Just because you're too stubborn to admit that you're incorrect doesn't mean you're correct. <3 '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 23:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to drag up an old debate again, but I have another point that hasn't been mentioned yet and which crushes MM's arguments: If they didn't want Manaphies to breed Manaphies, then they wouldn't be breedable! --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 07:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

== Phione's advantages ==

* Does Phiones have any advantages that Manaphy doesn't have? If not, then what's the point? --[[User:Kid Sonic|Kid Sonic]] 00:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
:Irrelevant. Someone remove this. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 00:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::That was rude. Now, in response to the question, Phione does not have any sort of advantage over Manaphy. All its stats are lower, and it doesn't learn any moves Manaphy can't. So no, there is no point other than keeping people from breeding multiple Manaphy. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
::Except they're not Manaphy. --[[User:Kid Sonic|Kid Sonic]] 05:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Exactly. It's there to piss you off because people would be all "O LOL I HAS MANAFY FROM EGG I PUT DAYCARE IT MAKE MOAR MANAFY I PUT ON GTS AND GET MEWTOO". And then you get Phione. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Random Something Thinks I ==

Why is Phione not in the No eggs group if it's genderless.{{u|Laxafett}}19:41, 18 December 2008(UTC)
:Because it has those egg groups in the game's internal data. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 19:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Battle Tower ==
I didn't see anyone mention this, surprisingly. But doesn't the fact that it can't be used in the battle tower (or any Frontier facility I'm assuming) prove it's legendary? Every other Pokemon restricted from being used there is a Legendary Pokemon... '''~[[User:RR|R]][[User talk:RR|R]]~''' 21:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:Probably more because it's semi-event-exclusive, methinks. Not all legendaries are banned from there. All event-exclusive species are banned from there, however. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
::It's true that not all legendaries are banned, but I didn't say that anyway :p I said that all Pokemon that are banned are legendary. The converse isn't true though, as you so pointed out. However, the Aura Sphere-using Riolu from Ranger is also an Event Pokemon and it isn't banned, so there's a hole in your theory. '''~[[User:RR|R]][[User talk:RR|R]]~''' 22:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I said event-exclusive SPECIES, and for exactly that reason. Riolu can easily be obtained outside an event. Phione, not so much. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Once and for all ==

As has been pointed out before and confirmed on Pokemon.com, Phione is a legendary Pokemon. If anyone has a more reliable source that says otherwise, such as a direct interview with someone in the franchise, please present it. Otherwise, I can't see how the debate can continue. Pokemon.com says so, and no one else has any other sources that say otherwise. Note that I only changed the intro paragraph. The trivia section already reflected it's legend status, and the page on Legendary Pokemon say it's a legend also. [[User:Randomspot555|Randomspot555]] 04:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

YES! Finally! Everybody knew it was in fact legendary. [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 19:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Legendary Status has been officially revoked. ==

From the Vol. 1, Pg.27 of the official Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver Version guide book: "Since Phione can be obtained by hatching Eggs, it is not classified as a Legendary Pokemon."

The guide book is published by [[The Pokémon Company International]], which is the same company that runs Pokemon.com, the website that originally confirmed it's Legendary status. Obviously they've changed their minds. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 19:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
:''Well, well, well''. I was right the whole time! Now, I don't like to gloat.... Who am I kidding? I ''love'' to gloat! I was right, and you all were wrong! I'm off to change the page! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:51, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::I think it is legendary. Why would the ''exact same'' company ban usage of it in VGC? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::For the exact same reason they banned Rotom until HG/SS came out. Event exclusive species (formes in Rotom's case). I knew it all along, the evidence was incontrovertible. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:58, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I still don't feel comfortable about this... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh, well. If the Pokémon Company International, the exact same company in charge of the official Pokémon website, says Phione is not legendary, then it's not legendary. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 03:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::They've been wrong before. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Two things: If TPCi says it's not legendary, how ''else'' are we going to get official confirmation? It's not legendary. There. lol
:::::::The other thing is... you don't need to rub it in everyone's face that you were right. Seriously. Cut it out. >_> ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 03:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::...I think I remember My Pokémon Ranch calling it legendary... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:09, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::The Trivia section mentions the conflicting sources, isn't that good enough? Seriously. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:11, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::No. See, this is more definitive proof. See, the website, well, they could change it on a whim. But if they were to change their minds and declare Phione a legendary, they'd have to do something about these guidebooks. So if they put in the guidebooks that Phione is not a legendary, they must have been sure about it. Besides which, the conflicting online source no longer exists. If there are no further objections (that contain actual reasoning, not just moaning and whining from people who are just upset that they've been wrong the whole time), I will go ahead and unhide that bit in the intro to the article. It's been a pleasure winning this argument. In all seriousness, however, I am sorry if I came across as rude about this whole ordeal. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:27, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

(unindent) I don't see why we can't mention the controversy. If we're not going to cite our sources on a conflicted bit on information, we should at least bring out where it conflicts. That's what good reporting is about. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 23:55, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:MM, the source still exists. Origin.pokemon.com. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 23:57, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, so it does. Well, it still doesn't change the fact that a more recent source from the same company has something different. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 01:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::People should really not forget that guidebooks aren't always correct. Some say things like Cascoon can only be obtained at night, so it could be an error [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 01:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::OK... too much arguing here. First, I couldn't get origin.pokemon.com to work, much less access the mailbag... anyone care to put up a direct link to the specific mailbag that stated Phione's status? Also, I think that Phione should be considered not legendary as TPCI, the most official source in this matter other than TPC or the games themselves, has stated most recently (the HGSS guidebook) that it is not legendary. Arguments about "they could be wrong", "they couldn't be wrong", "they could sometime change their mind as they have before" are invalid, as they only serve to invalidate the other point of view whenever convenient. Its not an issue of the website or the guidebooks being more official, they are both equally official, but as the guidebook is the ''most recent'', Phione should be considered not legendary until TPCI or a more official source states otherwise. However, I believe that stating "it's not a legendary" in the lead of the article is unnecessary; we only put up when it ''is'' legendary, we do not go around and put up in every non-legendary's Pokémon article that it's not legendary.
::::That said, precisely because TPCI has contradicted itself before, and there have been numerous debates on this, I think an entire section explaining everything is in order, maybe under Trivia. I'd put it up in the article myself, but I don't wanna get into an edit war so I'll put it up here for everyone to approve/disapprove of first. Also, I think putting up dates the announcements were made might be necessary too. '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 04:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Keep this in mind: the guidebooks are written by idiots. They ''constantly'' screw stuff up and throw in their opinions, not Nintendo's, and their assumptions, not the game programming. It's said that Wurmple evolves depending on time, or on gender, and that was a persistent rumor during Gen III. But we ripped the games apart and verified that no, it's based on the PV. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::I want to point out here that the Media Factory guidebook (the one from which the English guidebook was translated) indeed states that Phione is not considered legendary. I can't be assed to take an actual picture, but [http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3330177/mfphione.jpg here have a blurry-as-hell webcam picture]. I assure you that it says exactly the same thing as in the English guidebook. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 04:59, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Then Manaphy isn't legendary either, I assume? And what of Unown? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, yes, the reasoning of "it's not legendary because it can breed" would exclude Manaphy as a legendary. Though Unown is a moot point, since the reasoning is not "every Pokémon that can't breed is a legendary"... But I digress. On the topic of the trustworthiness of the guides: yes, they have been inaccurate, but the site has contradicted itself also. My point is, they're both equally reliable (or unreliable). I mean, both are TPCI, or rather, people employed at TPCI who could make stuff up or make assumptions. So, we either take both as accurate (and the guide, as the most recent update, states how it is as of now) or neither, and therefore we CAN'T conclusively say Phione is or isn't a legendary. Now that I think of it, maybe that last one is for the best. '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 06:00, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

===Status as a legendary Pokémon===
When Phione was first discovered in the Pokémon games, there was much debate whether or not it should be considered as a [[legendary Pokémon]]. Some said it should be, citing its inability to evolve and its rarity (as it could only be bred initially from an already rare Manaphy), as well as its exclusive relationship to the indisputably legendary {{p|Manaphy}}. Others said it shouldn’t be considered legendary, mentioning its capacity to breed and be hatched from regular eggs, as well as its generally weak stats.
Even [[The Pokémon Company International]] has had conflicting announcements about Phione’s legendary status. Firstly, [[Pokemon.com]] mentioned in its mailbag that Phione was not a legendary Pokémon, but it was changed shortly thereafter, making Phione officially a legendary for a while. Recently, however, the official guidebook of {{2v|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, published also by TPCI, stated that Phione is not a legendary due to its ability to reproduce. Given that this is the latest official update on this Pokémon’s status, it is currently considered to not be a legendary Pokémon.

== Breeding ==
To keep consistency, doesn't Phione need a breeding section "By Breeding/None." I put it up bt someone deleted it >:( so do we need this section or not? It's on Rotom's and other other Pokes that can be obtained through breeding but have no egg moves. [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 01:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:Consistency is enjoyed. Plz to be putting it there. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sorry about that. I removed it because I thought I had seen other articles without a "by breeding" section. But I must have been wrong. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 22:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Legendary status ==

Thought I'd add this to the start of the article, to settle the legendary argument:

"Phione is considered by some to be a [[legendary Pokémon]]. However, due to the fact that it can breed and multiple individuals can be obtained, its legendary status remains disputed, with contradiction occuring even between official sources." [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 21:40, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

The new Pokémon Ranger game '''definitely''' confirms it as non-legendary. '''CASE CLOSED''' -'''[[User:Gengarzilla|I Liek Gengarz!]] [[User talk:Gengarzilla|Do Joo Liek Dem?]]''' 16:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:It may not be referred to as legendary, but does it explicitly say Phione is ''not'' legendary? If not, then it is certainly not settled "once and for all". '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 08:17, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
::Black and White disagree it seems, as Phione is banned from the Battle Subway. The difference this time around? Zorua and Zoroark, also event Pokemon, are NOT banned, while Phione, despite being recently stated as non-legendary, is still banned. If someone can simply contact Game Freak themselves and not rely on a spin-off, THEN we can confirm it's status once and for all. Better to get the answer from it's original creator yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Zorua and Zoroark are slightly easier to get without an event, as you can merely trade for them over the GTS. If you talk to the silent boy in Hiun City, Zorua is recorded as "seen" in your Pokedex, and N uses a Zoroark, so you can search for them. Phione, on the other hand, cannot be seen in any games, and the only way to see Manaphy is to look at Backlot's book in Platinum. And even then there's no guarantee that anyone will trade you a Manaphy over the GTS. And seriously, Phione not being referred to as legendary or rare in Ranger:Guardian Signs when every legendary is? I'm pretty damn sure that can't be a coincidence. Please, let's not drag up this old argument again, as I still have my other valid points as to why Phione can't be legendary. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:45, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Honestly, until we get a confirmation directly from Game Freak themselves and not someone else saying it for them, Phione's status is still under debate it seems. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Besides it's not like Phione is breaking Metagames anytime soon unlike Zoroark with it's Illusion ability causing massive mind games..... Regardless of how it is found, Zoroark deserves a banning more than Phione in a way. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:49, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Game Freak are unlikley to reply to any fan e-mails, even if sent in Japanese. But if Phione is confirmed as non-legendary, then a good bit of info for the Trivia section would be "Phione is the only non-legendary Pokemon not in any regional Pokedex." '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:53, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::I can be debated either way, but don't base if it's legendary or not based on Pokemon Ranger Games. Because according to Pokémon Ranger Celebi is not legendary it's "rare" :| [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 01:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Rare is still legendary. It's just that there are two kinds in Japanese "legendary" and "rare", which this game distinguishes between. Phione gets nothing as if it were a regular Pokémon (because it is). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Still.... I don't really like trusting spin-offs for this kind of information because sometimes they can make mistakes rather easily (Loads of places mislabel Wurmple's evolution as time based or gender based after all, with even the official site listing it incorrectly last time I checked the site years ago [Doesn't say evolution methods in the modern day site]). I think it's more of a safer opinion if we get an answer from Game Freak, even if they rarely answer, it still seems like a much better option as we can get the truth once and for all... [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 14:06, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Why is everyone making such a big deal out of this? In my opinion, Phione is a legendary Pokemon. However, I am not going to argue for or against it. All I have to say on this matter is this: 1. Since WHEN are side games the deciding factor on the status of the Pokemon.
2. The game does NOT say whether it is legendary or not.
Thus, I would never go so far as to base the status of this Pokemon on what the new ranger game says. I suggest we do not jump to conclusions and say flat out that it is not legendary. I say we just state that its status is disputed. Both sides of the argument have given ample evidence, but neither has any evidence that proves WITHOUT A DOUBT that they are right. I say we wait for an OFFICIAL statement on the matter. Till then, I'm not convinced either way (not that it matters). ([[User:Toolen|Toolen]] 03:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC))

On a side note, is their any way to contact Game Freak on this matter? ([[User:Toolen|Toolen]] 03:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC))

Talk:Phione (Pokémon)

2010-12-18T03:04:17Z

Toolen: /* Legendary status */

==Phione- Legendary or not?==
Can phione really be considered a legendary? It is by no means limited to one a game cartridge as legendary Pokemon are, given that it can breed with Ditto as well as any Magnemite, Rotom, or Baltoy. It's base stats are the same as Glalie's. Which is NOT legendary. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to be a legendary, doesn't a Pokemon have to be only one per game without trading, and have at least SOMEWHAT good stats?
:In my opinion, it's okay the way this article puts it. It doesn't mention Phione being a legendary, yet it's in the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Sinnoh_Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon legendary category] because it's related to Manaphy (and its Pokédex number is among legendaries). Kind of like an honorable mention in lists, but still not worth of mentioning a legendary status when talking about Phione itself. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
::Hmm... It's because of the criterion of mine I mentioned in the last paragraph that I didn't like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Phione_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=142880&oldid=142060 this update]. I wonder if somebody agrees with me. Was it really necessary to mention that "it's still considered a legendary"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 00:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:My opinion is that Phione is classed as a legendary Pokémon because of it's relation to Manaphy as Johans has said. Also, legendary Pokémon do not evolve. Phione does not evolve into Manaphy either therefore, it must have some legendary traits. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]]
:You know, I'd have to say Phione is best classified as legendary. It's a derivative of a legendary - more closely tied to a true legendary Pokémon than Mewtwo is to Mew. It's a black sheep of the lot, but still pretty legendary, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 02:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
::What's the role of the Phione species in Mystery Dungeon 2? I still vote for never mentioning explicitly "Phione is a legendary" until the whole franchise hints it well enough. This means official text saying it's a legendary, side games with extraordinary plots related to Phione, whether or not it will protagonize a hosou or a story arc, whether or not it will be a bonus Poké Ball in Super Smash Bros. Brawl... IDK... Stuff like that. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 22:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Before continuing with the edit war on the Trivia section, I must say I agree with Missingno. Master on removing that line from the Trivia section which says "Without using cheats or trading, Phione is the only legendary Pokémon that a player can have more that one of". The reason to put it back (as seen [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Phione_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=next&oldid=255470 here]) is based just on the template. Such unability to say whether Phione is legendary or not only makes that line worthy of being removed IMO. Something can be an exception, but you can't tell if this one is. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's because I suck at reasons. XD; [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

If Pokemon.com says Phione is legendary, Phione is legendary! Phione is most likely considered legendary because it is '''of legend''' in the same way Mew and Arceus have legends surrounding them. I don't actually recall Nintendo or the Pokemon franchise explicitly state what the benchmark is for a legendary. The classifications for a legendary, (such as only one per game, high stats and inability to breed), were most likely assumed after the second Generation or so and were constatly reinforced with more legendaries fitting the criteria.
Maybe the classification has just been broken.

Phione is definately legendary but it's caused so much debate because it doesn't fit into the assumed criteria. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 13:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Phione is a conundrum. I really don't think of it as legendary, as it is "legendary" the same way Rotom is. Rotom is rare and has the legendary music play, but reproduces more of its own kind with Ditto; Phione's breeding is exactly like Rotom's. It traces its lineage from legends but doesn't have the stats to match up. Mewtwo is considered legendary due to its "one-of-a-kind" status and immense power. I say Phione is more of an "Almost, but not quite Legendary" pokemon, as it basically lacks that one special (probably yellow) element or essence that Manaphy has that makes it legendary. So, I think it's not like Phione is a demotion to borderline-legendary status, I think it's more like Manaphies being "Chosen Phiones" who are more powerful and pure (and legendary) as a result. This occasional legendary status isn't passed down from this special "Phione", and thus its children are normal Phiones. I don't think this debate would be so hectic if breeding wasn't the only way to obtain Phione. I say Phione belongs in the same category as Rotom as far as legendary status is concerned (Which is no) That's actually not a bad theory, that Manaphy are stronger Phione rather than Phione being weaker Manaphy. [[User:Kohdok|Kohdok]] 08:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:Phione isn't a legendary. Multiple Phione can be bred from Manaphy. Multiple Phione can be bred from Phione. Also, its base stats aren't very high. I don't know why its banned from the Battle Tower, but likely because they are too delicate for competitive battling. [[User:Dusknoir477|Dusknoir477]] 09:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

"Phione is a legendary because it can be obtained by breeding a [[Manaphy]], and Manaphy is a legendary. Yes, it is a baby pokemon, but it's cool that a [[baby pokemon]] is a legendary. The only reason it's band from the [[Battle Frontier]] is because it IS A LEGENDARY!!!!! (duh) --[[User:Platinum giratina13|Platinum giratina13]] 21:44, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

As per my above post, has anyone actually read or heard Nintendo state what actually MAKES a Legendary a Legendary? With the arrival of the Phione/Manaphy legendary debate, the assumed criteria of not being able to breed, one-of-a-kind-ness, and high stats would technically be outdated as Phione and Manaphy are confirmed legenderies.
Accoriding to the "new" rules, the only criteria for a legendary to be legendary is for Nintendo to say it's legendary! END OF STORY! [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 20:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Phione is not legendary. However, evolution cannot be the only criteria because when togepi was introduced it was considered to be legendary but it now is part of a three-tier evolutionary line.

== Baby Pokemon? ==
Is it really ok to designate it as a Baby? It really doesn't fit any of the criteria of a Baby Pokemon. I mean it can breed, and to my understanding, Phione isn't a pre-evolution of Manaphy (As exemplified by the fact that it can't ever evolve into it. >_>) so much as a Manaphy that was bred in colder waters. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 04:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not a baby Pokémon. Baby Pokémon evolve and can't breed. Phione breeds and can't evolve. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon|Glitch]] and [[Pokémon|Official]] Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|should be considered equal]]!-- quoted by {{u|Missingno. Master}}
 14:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== This... Egg move... ==

Okay, weeks ago I taught my Manaphy the move {{m|Waterfall}}, and I recently got a Ditto. Today, when my first Phione hatched from its Egg, guess what? It knew Waterfall!! But why in the world no Pokémon site mentions it? Not even [http://www.legendarypokemon.net Legendary Pokémon], the first people to publicly hack the game, talk of this. Maybe now that Manaphy was given away in an easier way, more people can help me confirming this (maybe it's an in-game bug or something? Or some game mechanics that have been overlooked?).

<blockquote>
===By [[breeding]]===

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|- style="background: #{{water color}};"
![[Generation IV]]
|-
| '''{{M|Waterfall}}'''
|}
</blockquote>

Please do discuss. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

It's an HM. That's why. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 02:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:Oh... Does it always happen with babies and HM moves then? ^_^' And why isn't it valid to place it in the learnset lists? Is it because it's "obvious"? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:26, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and yes. It's listed under... breeding... i think. [[User:Inker|Inker]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:Always happens with compatible HMs and TMs. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
They grow up so fast.

== Pssssst ==

Well well well, I just checked Pokemon.com and they just said Phione is indeed, not legendary. Aww shoot, I totally thought it was. Go to the mailbag. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 04:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:does that mean i can use it in the PBR little cup? '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
::No because all the Pokémon you use have to be a pre-evolution of another Pokémon. And since Phione doesn't evolve well... --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 04:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:::oh well. its not like i have PBR anyway. (oh the irony!!) '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I absolutely HATE to say I told you so.... But what the heck! I told you so! =D --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 11:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Ah, contradiction. [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008 This] is also from Pokemon.com's mailbag, saying that Phione ''is'' legendary. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 19:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
WHAT?! This is impossible! Why would they change their answer??? HOW can something with Glalie's base stats be legendary?! --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yessss! I totally thought Phione was legendary, I mean, it IS related to one anyway. Anyway, no more fricking revert/edit wars now. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Why are you so happy? Phione breaks all the laws of legendaries- it can breed, it has bad stats, you can have more than one of them in PMD2... This upsets me, because all my carefully reasoned arguements, which by all rights should've been right, have been proven wrong! Plus, this means that if I use Phione in competitive battle, I'll be breaking my own rule of no legendaries. D< --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe because I actually THOUGHT Phione was a legendary? There's a word that you might want to hear about-- Exceptions. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
But how can Phione be an exception to EVERY SINGLE RULE THAT DEFINES A LEGENDARY, AND STILL BE A LEGENDARY?! '''IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.''' --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yea, it says here http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008 that it is legendary....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 21:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Lol yeah, we reverted the 'non-legendary' things a while ago. *points up to Szayel's post* [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Let's not forget that there was never a specific "rule" that said legendaries couldn't do what Phione does. After all, Latios and Latias didn't break the legendary genderless rule, they were merely the first legendaries with genders. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 08:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Plus, Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres were sort of confirmed to lay eggs in [[Pokemon Snap]], though I'm not sure if that counts or not.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

I recall an episode, no, three episodes of ''Pokémon: Master Quest'' where Ash encountered a Lugia and a baby Lugia. Does that mean Legendary Pokémon can have babies, in this case Manaphy getting Phione? [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 18:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:Some Legendaries have been shown to breed outside of the main series, like the three Birds in ''Snap''. But Phione is not a baby Manaphy because it can never become a Manaphy. Perhaps if one were to breed a Manaphy in Fiore then one would get another Manaphy egg. Of course, Manaphy eggs can't appearantly hatch in Fiore. This is all speculation, of course. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

But Phione can get another Phione as a baby.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 02:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, but you can also breed a Magnemite to get another Magnemite. That doesn't classify it as a baby Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 13:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, the classification of "Baby Pokémon" is that they're too young to breed. I forgot that until now.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 14:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Just a thought: I still don't feel naming Phione a legendary Pokémon for a reason like that (the mailbox from Pokémon.com) is enough. What about Japanese denominations (densetsu, maboroshi, shinwa)? Which one is Phione? Bulbapedia is an output from us, but it's an input to many people. Saying Phione is a legendary because of that may be unhelpful if players organize battles or even trades where "legendaries aren't allowed" and they want to believe in this article instead of believing in sites that base themselves on stats and stuff. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

An excellent point. How do we know Pokemon.com is correct? They changed their answer once before, which could indicate that they themselves don't have any idea, and are just guessing. Really, the only ones who'd know for sure are the creators themselves, the ones who actually came up with Phione. We can't count on Pokemon.com to know what the creators were thinking. So I'd say Phione's legendary status would still be uncertain. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 14:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

:I think that given its place in the Pokédex and how it was required to have a Legendary Pokémon to obtain should be enough proof. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:37, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, so Dratini, Dragonair, and Dragonite are legendaries, because they're squeezed in between the bird trio and Mewtwo, are they? They are according to your logic. And secondly, just because a legendary Pokemon breeds to make a different species altogether, doesn't mean that the different species is also a legendary. Now, if Phione was unable to breed and had better stats, I would think it's a legendary. But anything with base stats equal to Glalie's and the ability to breed with Ditto like crazy? I mean, isn't the whole thing behind legendaries the fact that they're supposed to be HARD TO GET? And Phione can frickin' breed! Nintendo's never let us get more than one of each legendary per game w/o trading. Alright, here is, as I percieve it, the main points in the Phione Legendary Argument;
Phione must be legendary because;
*It is bred from another legendary
*Its position in the Pokédex
*Genderless
Phione CAN'T be a legendary because;
*Its stats are mediocre at best
*It can breed, and therefore more than one per game cart can be easily obtained

And two of the points that say it's legendary I have already shot down. The Dragonite, Tyranitar, and Metagross families are squeezed between legendaries, and does that make them legendaries? No, it does not! Does Phione's position in the Pokédex classify it as a legendary? Absolutely not! And maybe it is bred from another legendary- does that actually MEAN anything about Phione's legendary status? No! Mew was said to be the ancestor of all Pokémon, does that mean that every single Pokémon in existance is legendary? I didn't think so! And the stats! The one major consistancy about legendaries (aside from the whole can't breed thing) is their good stats. And Glalie's base stats are not good. Now then, based on that argument, I'd say Phione cannot in any way in any form, shape, or existance, be a legendary, and you'd be insane to think it is. Thank you and have a nice day. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 11:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

:The families you mentioned are not Legendary because they are ''families''. Phione does not evolve from or into another Pokémon. Don't be so stubborn... Phione is a Legendary, and [[MissingNo.]] isn't a real Pokémon. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

::Until recently, Roselia couldn't evolve into or from anything else. And don't drag MissingNo. into this. The fact that they are families means nothing. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 18:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

:::The fact that they are families means everything because Legendaries do not evolve. Which is why they can be surrounded by Legendary Pokémon in the Pokédex and not be considered. And you brought them up. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 22:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

::::Well, Rotom doesn't evolve and is oddly squeezed in between a bunch of evolutions and legendaries, and is it a legendary? Definitely not. Some people even thought it WAS a legendary for that reason (and the fact that legendary battle music played when it was battled), and yet, they were WRONG! Evolutions notwithstanding, the mere fact that there CAN be non-legendaries sandwiched between legendaries in the Pokédex means that Phione's position in said Pokédex doesn't mean a thing. And just because something doesn't evolve to or from anything doesn't mean it won't. Again, I point out Roselia as a prime example here. Dang thing got a pre-evo AND an evolution in the same generation! Now, I know Pokémon.com said that Phione is legendary, but they originally said it wasn't. The mere fact that they changed their answer indicates that they are doubtful. They could be guessing. Phione breaks the two cardinal rules that define legendaries; rarity (Phione can breed with Ditto to create more Phione), and strength (base stats of Glalie-not good). Legendaries are supposed to have at least DECENT base stats, and Phione's stats? Far from it. Most importantly, and this is the point most of you are overlooking, legendaries are supposed to be ONE PER GAME, sans trading/events. And Phione can BREED. Legendaries aren't SUPPOSED to reproduce in the games like this! That's why Phione was created in the first place-so Manaphy could lay eggs that hatched into something other than itself, so people wouldn't be running around with a *bleep*load of Manaphy on one game. Now THINK about that for a while, won't you? I propose that Phione's legendary status be labeled as "unconfirmed" until we get irrefutable proof of its legendary status (or lack thereof) by those who would know. Let's wait and see how the Anime portrays it, for example. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 10:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Cardinal rule that defines legendaries? There are none, and there hasn't been one that didn't get thrown out the window in the last two generations besides the fact that they can't evolve.
:::::Also, don't use Roselia for an example. Just because it can't evolve doesn't mean it's a legendary, but because Phione's legendary it cannot evolve. Squares and rectangles, you see. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. And I ''highly'' doubt that Manaphy will ever gain an evo or even a prevo. Rotom, on the other hand, is more likely. Besides, who ever said that base stats defined legendary status? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:Nobody... It's more of an intuitive meaning. Like, most Pokémon movies and major story arcs are protagonized by legendary Pokémon. In the anime, legendary Pokémon are "powerful". And non-coincidentally, their stats are high in the Pokémon games, which is an accurate meaning for "powerful". --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::Doesn't mean they couldn't make a crappy legendary. As of Gen I, the rules were ONE PER GAME, HIGH STATS, and NO EVOLVING. Once Gen II rolled around we got NO GENDER and NO BREEDING. Gen III took down the ONE PER GAME thing since Brandon had the damned Regi and the NO GENDER thing with Lati@s. All Gen IV did was remove NO BREEDING and HIGH STATS, since Phione sucks. Well, actually, not really sucks, just isn't incredibly cheaply high. People want less legendaries, how the hell else are they going to do anything unless they gradually reduce legendaries into little more than normal Pokémon? Sheesh, Heatran has a variable gender! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, sure, they COULD create a crappy legendary, but why would they? Legendary Pokémon have always been portrayed as powerful Pokémon that cannot breed. Legendary Pokémon are put up high on pedestals by those who create them. Legendaries sell movies. It's clear that the creators of Pokémon want the public to have a high opinion of legendaries, so why wreck it with a legendary that you can get a *bleep*load of in any given game, and that has less than decent stats? I don't think they would. Now, I want any one of you to list for me all the overwhelming reasons that prove beyond conclusive doubt that Phione is a legendary. Anyone? Nobody? OK, let me think here.... Oh, I know! Phione's bred from Manaphy! My goodness! Oh, how I must have been mistaken! Oh, Phione's bred from Manaphy! Son of cheese, that MUST mean it's legendary! Anyone who agreed with my last two sentences is a complete imbecile. For the love of Arceus, people, just because a Pokémon can be hatched from an egg that has been laid by a Legendary Pokémon doesn't mean that the offspring is legendary! Pichu hatch from eggs laid by Pikachu and Raichu, so does that make Pikachu and Raichu baby Pokémon? Of course not! Now, I want you people to think- just THINK- about it for a moment. Given the evidence I have presented, not just now, but over my entire career of arguing that Phione cannot be legendary, versus the single, measly fact that it can be bred from Manaphy, not to mention an entirely unconvincing letter from Pokémon.com (in which, may I remind you all, they changed their answer, indicating that they don't really know and are more than likely guessing), can you REALLY, in sound mind and complete sanity, STILL say, with the utmost conviction, that Phione is a legendary? DIDN'T THINK SO! OH, DUH! I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 01:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Phione is legendary... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 02:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:Phione's legendary status is debatable as we have not received word from the Jap creators. But still, Phione is legendary because it can ShoopWhoop. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:37 2 Jul 2008'''''
:If Phione's not legendary, neither is Manaphy. Neither is Mewtwo. Manaphy is hatched from an egg, it matters not that you can't dump it in the daycare and get more Manaphy. The reason FOR Phione is just that: they KNEW that after getting an egg with Manaphy people would try for more, breed with Ditto, and end up whining if it were like Mew or Celebi. So they made Phione to trick people. As for Mewtwo, it was created by humans. No legend there. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
And why do you think they did that with Manaphy in the first place? So people couldn't get more easily! Phione, on the other hand, can breed. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 14:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

:Which makes Phione the first legendary that can successfully breed. No one ever said that all legendaries have to fit into some definable category forever more. And the fact that it's stats are lacking is because it can breed. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

::YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT! The mere fact that Manaphy can breed, but not to create more Manaphy, indicates that legendaries aren't SUPPOSED to breed! As I've previously stated, if the fact that Manaphy can breed to make Phione is the only argument for Phione's legendary status, then it's a real feeble-ass argument, as, if Phione were indeed a legendary, then it would be the only legendary with breeding capabilities and mediocre stats, and I don't think that that's all that likely! Think about it! If they were going to make it so legendaries were breedable, there would be no Phione, and Manaphy could just lay more Manaphy eggs! OH DUH! I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 16:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

It was never set in stone that legendaries cannot breed and have to be one of a kind. If Nintendo and Game Freak want to make a sub-par legendary, then SO BE IT!!! Obviously the person who stated that Phione was not legendary was mistaken, and they corrected that mistake. Things change. Nothing has to be the exact same every generation. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

:OK, what you're saying WOULD make a lot of sense, if it didn't indicate that you never actually comprehended my arguments. THINK! If Nintendo and Game Freak wanted to create a breedable legendary at all, Phione wouldn't even exist, as the only reason they made it was that Manaphy could lay eggs without them hatching into more Manaphy! They would've just made Manaphy able to produce more Manaphy eggs! But they didn't! They made Manaphy able to breed a completely different species, and THAT species can breed, and it can't evolve into Manaphy. You know what this means? LEGENDARIES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BREED, AND PHIONE IS LIVING PROOF! Now I agree, they COULD make a sub-par legendary. My point, however, is, WHY WOULD THEY? Look at the movies- legendary Pokémon are constantly spoken of with reverence, portrayed as grand, majestic, powerful, and rare, depictions that hold true in the games. Now, do you REALLY think that they'd besmirch the good name of legendaries, which they have worked so hard to glorify, by creating a legendary as common as Bidoof and as weak as Glalie? DIDN'T THINK SO! And before anyone replies to this, why don't you actually READ what I type, and let it sink in, let the gears of reason start turning in your head, and don't just come up with another lame excuse of an excuse as to why Phione is STILL legendary, despite all my well-reasoned arguments proving otherwise. Thank you. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 11:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

::<<sigh>>... The games and the movies are made by different people and follow completely different canon. According to the anime, Unown are legendary and powerful. Plus, who's to say that you can't produce more Manaphy eggs in a future generation? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Missingno. Master, I don't really think that the Games even held Legendaries as being high, majestic, and one of a kind. If they had, Brandon would NOT have had the three Golems OR the three Birds (the former of which can ALSO be caught in the wild), Palmer would NOT have owned Heatran, Cresselia, and Regigigas. Also, I won't get too spoilerific, but in Movie 11, let's just say that Shaymin isn't the only one of it's kind (Then again, considering the same event that Shaymin debuted in had a similar white rock located in Kanto (not to mention it being obtained in Almia), it was also hinted that it wasn't really one of a kind there either.). And anyways, even IF you can't breed Manaphies from Manaphies in Sinnoh, the mere fact that it HAD an egg proves that it can breed from another Manaphy, which would hint that, by your logic, it's not even a legendary. Also, the three dogs, Rayquaza, Groudon, Kyogre, Celebi, Mew, and Deoxys wouldn't have multiple members in Fiore (If Manaphy is counted as an official Main Legendary despite originating from a Spinoff game, then I'm going to count Fiore as a main game region as well.). the three dogs, Lugia, and Ho-Oh would ALSO have not appeared in Kanto/Sevii Islands if that was the case. heck, the three dogs, Ho-Oh, Lugia, the three birds, and Celebi would NOT have existed in Orre at all if they were one of a kind. The three Regis would ALSO have not existed in Sinnoh at ALL if legendaries were truly one of a kind. So please stop acting as though they shouldn't have multitudes. In fact, the only legendary pokemon that HASN'T had multitudes period is Mewtwo itself. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
::::But, the fact still remains that in the games, legendaries are supposed to be one per cartridge. Manaphy itself is proof of this- if legendaries weren't intended to be one per cartridge, Phione wouldn't exist, as Manaphy would be able to produce more Manaphy. That's why Phione exist- to prevent Manaphy from breeding more Manaphy. And Phione are certainly NOT one per cartridge, as anyone with a Phione, a Ditto, and access to a daycare center can easily get as many Phione as they wish. And then there is the matter of its stats. Legendary Pokemon are powerful. They have good stats. They can learn Hyper Beam and other powerful moves. Phione has base 80 stats all around and can't learn Hyper Beam or any variant. It has no exclusive move (true, not all legendaries do). It doesn't even learn all the moves Manaphy can. And it doesn't learn ANY move Manaphy can't. True, this does not conclusively prove Phione to not be legendary, but it certainly lends a hefty amount of support towards that side of the issue. Certainly more than "It's bred from Manaphy, it must be legendary". - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::I can come up with better. It says so right there on Pokemon.com. Yes, I get that they corrected the answer. You're just reading into WHY it was. It's a wild guess, but I'm betting that the IT person who updates the website isn't intricately connected with anyone who makes or translates the games. He tried to answer it on his own, did it incorrectly, and was corrected. Either way, if you have a better source than POKEMON.COM that that says it isn't a legendary, I'd like to see it.
::::::As for all this talk about "Legends are this, legends are that", none of it is true. The only requirement to be a "Legendary Pokemon" is to be deemed one by Game Freak. What moves they learn are largely irrelevant, because many Pokemon have vast move pools. Gen 3 and 4 often have Legends as Plot Devices, but it doesn't hold true to Gen I, II, and those that are exclusive to events.[[User:Randomspot555|Randomspot555]] 22:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't know why the so-called MissigNo. Master is so upset that Phione is a legendary! I could say more reasons why it is I just don't want to, and some of them are already said, becasue it's so obvious! It is!!! DEAL WITH IT! Now, another reason nobody has said or at least so far I've read, it makes no sense to make a legendary Pokémon to breed ''into''(I don't know which preposition goes here) a not-legendary one. That's just not logic!, I mean, we all know Manaphy IS legendary right, then why would it be able to bread (into another species, anyway) into a not legendary?? MAKES NO SENSE, it is legendary despite its "bad stats", ability to breed and it doesn't evolve, even into the species it can come from, etc..

Would other legendary breed (if more could) into a not-legendary one? for example a Moltres if it could breed together with Ditto... you think the baby would be a, say, Growlithe? Of course not, It would be, I don't know, a new species, or another Moltres and it would still be a legendary.

Pokémon is in constant change, they created a new kind of legendary, maybe the only one of its kind -that can breed-, or at least so far, who says that maybe in next generations more and new legendaies will not be able to breed?? Maybe they would! People really need to start THINKING about the logic in here, and the BIG, really big POSIBILITY that it could be a legendary!--[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 18:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

:Reviving this argument, I will just have what I hope to be my final say in this. Thus far, here are the facts:

Phione must be legendary because;
*It is bred from another legendary
*Its position in the Pokédex
*Genderless
*Pokémon.com said so

Phione CAN'T be a legendary because;
*Its stats are mediocre at best
**Legendaries have stats that are decent at the least.
*Inordinate amounts of them appeared in the anime, more than any legendary.
**It's rare to see more than one of any given species of legendary in the anime, let alone in the same episode. No less than six appeared in [[DP113]].
*It can breed, and therefore more than one per game cart can be easily obtained
**It's a well-known fact that legendaries are supposed to be one per game cart, outside of trading.

The points in the "Phione must be legendary" column are <strike>full of crap</strike> inconclusive because;
*Manaphy can breed to create Phione for the sole purpose of preventing the breeding of more Manaphy, which right there proves that legendaries are not supposed to breed. See, if legendaries were supposed to breed, Phione wouldn't even exist, as Manaphy would be able to create more of itself.
*Dratini, Larvitar, and their evolutions are sandwiched in between groups of legendaries in most Pokédex entries, and they're not legendaries.
*Voltorb, Magneton, Baltoy, Metang, and Rotom are all genderless. None of them are legendary.
*Pokémon.com also said that Shaymin's Sky Forme had Natural Cure, that Swallow was a new attack for Generation IV, and that there was a Staraptor in Jumping Rocket Ship. Also, the fact that they changed their answer denotes unsureness.

Now, let me get this through to you. I will say this once, and only once. I will only back down from my argument if, and only if, Satoshi Tajiri ''himself'' personally declares that Phione is a legendary. That, in my opinion, is the only source that will provide a definitive answer. I will accept nothing less. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] says: The [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] is real![[User talk: Missingno. Master|(talk page)]] 22:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:Pssssst. '''Legendary''' (''ˈlɛdʒənˌdɛri'') adj. '''1.''' of, pertaining to, or of the nature of a legend. // Phione is allegedly a bringer of good luck to those who see it; tourists flock to Chocovine just to get a glimpse of Phione. That hints at Phione being a rare Pokémon with uncommon abilities, both of which can be associated with a Pokémon of legend. [http://i432.photobucket.com/albums/qq41/PDLpics/23a814bea263b08a6dee29561e6906dae1d.gif] '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
::I am not getting mad at video games. I am getting mad at people mistaking Phione for a legendary. As for the anime, that actually proves nothing. In the anime, Phione are rare. In the anime, Metagross are damaged by Poison Tail. In the anime, wild Squirtle form troublemaking gangs. In the anime, Dustox can learn Stun Spore. In the anime, Geodude and Golem can be floored by Thunderbolt. In the anime, ahem, PIKACHU! AIM FOR THE HORN! In the games, Phione are easy to get. In the games, Metagross are unaffected by Poison Tail. In the games, there are no wild Squirtle. In the games, Dustox can't learn Stun Spore. In the games, no ground type can be harmed by Thunderbolt. My point being, the anime was made after the games, and do not necessarily need to conform to them. And they don't, in many cases. I admit, it was therefore wrong of me to drag the anime into this argument. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] says: The [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] is real![[User talk: Missingno. Master|(talk page)]] 22:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Just because you're too stubborn to admit that you're incorrect doesn't mean you're correct. <3 '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 23:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to drag up an old debate again, but I have another point that hasn't been mentioned yet and which crushes MM's arguments: If they didn't want Manaphies to breed Manaphies, then they wouldn't be breedable! --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 07:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

== Phione's advantages ==

* Does Phiones have any advantages that Manaphy doesn't have? If not, then what's the point? --[[User:Kid Sonic|Kid Sonic]] 00:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
:Irrelevant. Someone remove this. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 00:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::That was rude. Now, in response to the question, Phione does not have any sort of advantage over Manaphy. All its stats are lower, and it doesn't learn any moves Manaphy can't. So no, there is no point other than keeping people from breeding multiple Manaphy. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
::Except they're not Manaphy. --[[User:Kid Sonic|Kid Sonic]] 05:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Exactly. It's there to piss you off because people would be all "O LOL I HAS MANAFY FROM EGG I PUT DAYCARE IT MAKE MOAR MANAFY I PUT ON GTS AND GET MEWTOO". And then you get Phione. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Random Something Thinks I ==

Why is Phione not in the No eggs group if it's genderless.{{u|Laxafett}}19:41, 18 December 2008(UTC)
:Because it has those egg groups in the game's internal data. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 19:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Battle Tower ==
I didn't see anyone mention this, surprisingly. But doesn't the fact that it can't be used in the battle tower (or any Frontier facility I'm assuming) prove it's legendary? Every other Pokemon restricted from being used there is a Legendary Pokemon... '''~[[User:RR|R]][[User talk:RR|R]]~''' 21:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:Probably more because it's semi-event-exclusive, methinks. Not all legendaries are banned from there. All event-exclusive species are banned from there, however. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
::It's true that not all legendaries are banned, but I didn't say that anyway :p I said that all Pokemon that are banned are legendary. The converse isn't true though, as you so pointed out. However, the Aura Sphere-using Riolu from Ranger is also an Event Pokemon and it isn't banned, so there's a hole in your theory. '''~[[User:RR|R]][[User talk:RR|R]]~''' 22:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I said event-exclusive SPECIES, and for exactly that reason. Riolu can easily be obtained outside an event. Phione, not so much. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Once and for all ==

As has been pointed out before and confirmed on Pokemon.com, Phione is a legendary Pokemon. If anyone has a more reliable source that says otherwise, such as a direct interview with someone in the franchise, please present it. Otherwise, I can't see how the debate can continue. Pokemon.com says so, and no one else has any other sources that say otherwise. Note that I only changed the intro paragraph. The trivia section already reflected it's legend status, and the page on Legendary Pokemon say it's a legend also. [[User:Randomspot555|Randomspot555]] 04:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

YES! Finally! Everybody knew it was in fact legendary. [[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 19:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Legendary Status has been officially revoked. ==

From the Vol. 1, Pg.27 of the official Pokemon HeartGold & SoulSilver Version guide book: "Since Phione can be obtained by hatching Eggs, it is not classified as a Legendary Pokemon."

The guide book is published by [[The Pokémon Company International]], which is the same company that runs Pokemon.com, the website that originally confirmed it's Legendary status. Obviously they've changed their minds. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 19:10, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
:''Well, well, well''. I was right the whole time! Now, I don't like to gloat.... Who am I kidding? I ''love'' to gloat! I was right, and you all were wrong! I'm off to change the page! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:51, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::I think it is legendary. Why would the ''exact same'' company ban usage of it in VGC? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::For the exact same reason they banned Rotom until HG/SS came out. Event exclusive species (formes in Rotom's case). I knew it all along, the evidence was incontrovertible. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:58, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I still don't feel comfortable about this... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh, well. If the Pokémon Company International, the exact same company in charge of the official Pokémon website, says Phione is not legendary, then it's not legendary. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 03:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::They've been wrong before. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Two things: If TPCi says it's not legendary, how ''else'' are we going to get official confirmation? It's not legendary. There. lol
:::::::The other thing is... you don't need to rub it in everyone's face that you were right. Seriously. Cut it out. >_> ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 03:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::...I think I remember My Pokémon Ranch calling it legendary... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:09, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::The Trivia section mentions the conflicting sources, isn't that good enough? Seriously. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:11, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::No. See, this is more definitive proof. See, the website, well, they could change it on a whim. But if they were to change their minds and declare Phione a legendary, they'd have to do something about these guidebooks. So if they put in the guidebooks that Phione is not a legendary, they must have been sure about it. Besides which, the conflicting online source no longer exists. If there are no further objections (that contain actual reasoning, not just moaning and whining from people who are just upset that they've been wrong the whole time), I will go ahead and unhide that bit in the intro to the article. It's been a pleasure winning this argument. In all seriousness, however, I am sorry if I came across as rude about this whole ordeal. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:27, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

(unindent) I don't see why we can't mention the controversy. If we're not going to cite our sources on a conflicted bit on information, we should at least bring out where it conflicts. That's what good reporting is about. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 23:55, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:MM, the source still exists. Origin.pokemon.com. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 23:57, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, so it does. Well, it still doesn't change the fact that a more recent source from the same company has something different. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 01:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::People should really not forget that guidebooks aren't always correct. Some say things like Cascoon can only be obtained at night, so it could be an error [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 01:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::OK... too much arguing here. First, I couldn't get origin.pokemon.com to work, much less access the mailbag... anyone care to put up a direct link to the specific mailbag that stated Phione's status? Also, I think that Phione should be considered not legendary as TPCI, the most official source in this matter other than TPC or the games themselves, has stated most recently (the HGSS guidebook) that it is not legendary. Arguments about "they could be wrong", "they couldn't be wrong", "they could sometime change their mind as they have before" are invalid, as they only serve to invalidate the other point of view whenever convenient. Its not an issue of the website or the guidebooks being more official, they are both equally official, but as the guidebook is the ''most recent'', Phione should be considered not legendary until TPCI or a more official source states otherwise. However, I believe that stating "it's not a legendary" in the lead of the article is unnecessary; we only put up when it ''is'' legendary, we do not go around and put up in every non-legendary's Pokémon article that it's not legendary.
::::That said, precisely because TPCI has contradicted itself before, and there have been numerous debates on this, I think an entire section explaining everything is in order, maybe under Trivia. I'd put it up in the article myself, but I don't wanna get into an edit war so I'll put it up here for everyone to approve/disapprove of first. Also, I think putting up dates the announcements were made might be necessary too. '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 04:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Keep this in mind: the guidebooks are written by idiots. They ''constantly'' screw stuff up and throw in their opinions, not Nintendo's, and their assumptions, not the game programming. It's said that Wurmple evolves depending on time, or on gender, and that was a persistent rumor during Gen III. But we ripped the games apart and verified that no, it's based on the PV. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::I want to point out here that the Media Factory guidebook (the one from which the English guidebook was translated) indeed states that Phione is not considered legendary. I can't be assed to take an actual picture, but [http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3330177/mfphione.jpg here have a blurry-as-hell webcam picture]. I assure you that it says exactly the same thing as in the English guidebook. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 04:59, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Then Manaphy isn't legendary either, I assume? And what of Unown? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, yes, the reasoning of "it's not legendary because it can breed" would exclude Manaphy as a legendary. Though Unown is a moot point, since the reasoning is not "every Pokémon that can't breed is a legendary"... But I digress. On the topic of the trustworthiness of the guides: yes, they have been inaccurate, but the site has contradicted itself also. My point is, they're both equally reliable (or unreliable). I mean, both are TPCI, or rather, people employed at TPCI who could make stuff up or make assumptions. So, we either take both as accurate (and the guide, as the most recent update, states how it is as of now) or neither, and therefore we CAN'T conclusively say Phione is or isn't a legendary. Now that I think of it, maybe that last one is for the best. '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 06:00, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

===Status as a legendary Pokémon===
When Phione was first discovered in the Pokémon games, there was much debate whether or not it should be considered as a [[legendary Pokémon]]. Some said it should be, citing its inability to evolve and its rarity (as it could only be bred initially from an already rare Manaphy), as well as its exclusive relationship to the indisputably legendary {{p|Manaphy}}. Others said it shouldn’t be considered legendary, mentioning its capacity to breed and be hatched from regular eggs, as well as its generally weak stats.
Even [[The Pokémon Company International]] has had conflicting announcements about Phione’s legendary status. Firstly, [[Pokemon.com]] mentioned in its mailbag that Phione was not a legendary Pokémon, but it was changed shortly thereafter, making Phione officially a legendary for a while. Recently, however, the official guidebook of {{2v|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, published also by TPCI, stated that Phione is not a legendary due to its ability to reproduce. Given that this is the latest official update on this Pokémon’s status, it is currently considered to not be a legendary Pokémon.

== Breeding ==
To keep consistency, doesn't Phione need a breeding section "By Breeding/None." I put it up bt someone deleted it >:( so do we need this section or not? It's on Rotom's and other other Pokes that can be obtained through breeding but have no egg moves. [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 01:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:Consistency is enjoyed. Plz to be putting it there. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sorry about that. I removed it because I thought I had seen other articles without a "by breeding" section. But I must have been wrong. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 22:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Legendary status ==

Thought I'd add this to the start of the article, to settle the legendary argument:

"Phione is considered by some to be a [[legendary Pokémon]]. However, due to the fact that it can breed and multiple individuals can be obtained, its legendary status remains disputed, with contradiction occuring even between official sources." [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 21:40, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

The new Pokémon Ranger game '''definitely''' confirms it as non-legendary. '''CASE CLOSED''' -'''[[User:Gengarzilla|I Liek Gengarz!]] [[User talk:Gengarzilla|Do Joo Liek Dem?]]''' 16:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:It may not be referred to as legendary, but does it explicitly say Phione is ''not'' legendary? If not, then it is certainly not settled "once and for all". '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 08:17, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
::Black and White disagree it seems, as Phione is banned from the Battle Subway. The difference this time around? Zorua and Zoroark, also event Pokemon, are NOT banned, while Phione, despite being recently stated as non-legendary, is still banned. If someone can simply contact Game Freak themselves and not rely on a spin-off, THEN we can confirm it's status once and for all. Better to get the answer from it's original creator yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Zorua and Zoroark are slightly easier to get without an event, as you can merely trade for them over the GTS. If you talk to the silent boy in Hiun City, Zorua is recorded as "seen" in your Pokedex, and N uses a Zoroark, so you can search for them. Phione, on the other hand, cannot be seen in any games, and the only way to see Manaphy is to look at Backlot's book in Platinum. And even then there's no guarantee that anyone will trade you a Manaphy over the GTS. And seriously, Phione not being referred to as legendary or rare in Ranger:Guardian Signs when every legendary is? I'm pretty damn sure that can't be a coincidence. Please, let's not drag up this old argument again, as I still have my other valid points as to why Phione can't be legendary. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:45, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Honestly, until we get a confirmation directly from Game Freak themselves and not someone else saying it for them, Phione's status is still under debate it seems. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Besides it's not like Phione is breaking Metagames anytime soon unlike Zoroark with it's Illusion ability causing massive mind games..... Regardless of how it is found, Zoroark deserves a banning more than Phione in a way. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:49, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Game Freak are unlikley to reply to any fan e-mails, even if sent in Japanese. But if Phione is confirmed as non-legendary, then a good bit of info for the Trivia section would be "Phione is the only non-legendary Pokemon not in any regional Pokedex." '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 00:53, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::I can be debated either way, but don't base if it's legendary or not based on Pokemon Ranger Games. Because according to Pokémon Ranger Celebi is not legendary it's "rare" :| [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 01:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Rare is still legendary. It's just that there are two kinds in Japanese "legendary" and "rare", which this game distinguishes between. Phione gets nothing as if it were a regular Pokémon (because it is). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Still.... I don't really like trusting spin-offs for this kind of information because sometimes they can make mistakes rather easily (Loads of places mislabel Wurmple's evolution as time based or gender based after all, with even the official site listing it incorrectly last time I checked the site years ago [Doesn't say evolution methods in the modern day site]). I think it's more of a safer opinion if we get an answer from Game Freak, even if they rarely answer, it still seems like a much better option as we can get the truth once and for all... [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 14:06, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Why is everyone making such a big deal out of this? In my opinion, Phione is a legendary Pokemon. However, I am not going to argue for or against it. All I have to say on this matter is this: 1. Since WHEN are side games the deciding factor on the status of the Pokemon.
2. The game does NOT say whether it is legendary or not.
Thus, I would never go so far as to base the status of this Pokemon on what the new ranger game says. I suggest we do not jump to conclusions and say flat out that it is not legendary. I say we just state that its status is disputed. Both sides of the argument have given ample evidence, but neither has any evidence that proves WITHOUT A DOUBT that they are right. I say we wait for an OFFICIAL statement on the matter. Till then, I'm not convinced either way (not that it matters). ([[User:Toolen|Toolen]] 03:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC))
On a side note, is their any way to contact Game Freak on this matter? ([[User:Toolen|Toolen]] 03:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC))

Talk:Phione (Pokémon)

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Toolen: /* Legendary status */