https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=Timothy 2026-06-14T22:06:47Z User contributions MediaWiki 1.43.8 https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Omastar_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=519607 2008-10-21T07:56:36Z

<p>Timothy: </p> <hr /> <div>{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Omanyte | next=Kabuto }}<br /> {{PokémonInfobox|<br /> name=Omastar |<br /> jname=オムスター |<br /> tmname=Omstar |<br /> image=139Omastar.png |<br /> caption=Artwork from FR/LG |<br /> ndex=139 |<br /> jdex=221 |<br /> hdex=294 |<br /> adex=236 |<br /> typen=2 |<br /> type1=Rock |<br /> type2=Water |<br /> species=Spiral |<br /> height-ftin=3′03″ |<br /> height-m=1.0 |<br /> weight-lbs=77.2 |<br /> weight-kg=35.0 |<br /> abilityn=2 |<br /> ability1=Swift Swim |<br /> ability2=Shell Armor |<br /> egggroupn=2 |<br /> egggroup1=Water 1 |<br /> egggroup2=Water 3 |<br /> hatchsteps=7,680 |<br /> effortyield=2 Def |<br /> expyield=199 |<br /> lv100exp=1,000,000 |<br /> gender=both |<br /> female=12.5 |<br /> male=87.5 |<br /> color=Blue |<br /> catchrate=45 |<br /> body=10 |<br /> pokefordex=omastar |<br /> generation=1 |<br /> footnotes=}}<br /> '''Omastar''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''オムスター''' ''Omstar'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Water}} Pokémon.<br /> <br /> It [[Evolution|evolve]]s from {{p|Omanyte}} at [[level]] 40.<br /> <br /> ==Biology==<br /> ===Physiology===<br /> Omastar has a large, pale-yellow, helix shell dotted with spikes. It has a sky-blue body with 10 tentacles (four of them are longer than the other six). Omastar has a squid-like beak and eyes with vertical-line pupils<br /> ====Gender differences====<br /> None.<br /> ====Special abilities====<br /> Most of Omastar's abilities are the same as Omanyte's, only stronger. Omastar can finally learn how to use {{M|Stone Edge}}. Like most fully evolved Pokémon, it can learn {{m|Hyper Beam}} and {{m|Giga Impact}}.<br /> <br /> ===Behavior===<br /> Omastar, unlike Kabutops, the other fully-evolved generation I fossil Pokémon, is far more defensive. While Kabutops prefers to slice prey apart or swim after them, Omastar does not. Omastar has a high special attack suggesting that it prefers waiting for prey to come near it so it can attack. it isn't fierce like Kabutops and probably dosen't move as much either, preferring to stay rooted to a spot waiting.<br /> <br /> ===Habitat===<br /> [[Image:Sea.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Sea Pokémon|Sea Pokémon]]]]<br /> The exact habitat of Omastar is unknown, but so far [[Dome and Helix Fossils|Helix Fossil]]s are only found in the [[Kanto]] and [[Sinnoh]] regions.<br /> <br /> ===Diet===<br /> ''Main article: [[Pokémon food]]''<br /> <br /> [[Pokédex]] information indicates that Omastar would eat {{p|Shellder}} in the wild by cracking open their shells with sharp fangs and sucking out the insides.<br /> <br /> ==In the anime==<br /> [[Image:AttackofthePrehistoricPokemon.gif|right|thumb|Omastar with other fossil Pokémon]]<br /> Omastar first appeared in ''[[EP046|Attack of the Prehistoric Pokémon]]'', alongside all the other [[Generation I]] Fossil Pokémon. They were sleeping under [[Grandpa Canyon]] until a dynamite blast woke them up. The {{2t|Water|Rock}}-typed Fossil Pokémon chased [[Ash Ketchum]] and [[Team Rocket]] until {{p|Aerodactyl}} showed up and scared them off.<br /> <br /> Omastar also appeared in ''[[EP163|Fossil Fools]]'', alongside its pre-evolved from; {{p|Omanyte}}. These Pokémon were discovered to be living in the [[Ruins of Alph]], but they moved into a museum.<br /> <br /> [[Dr. Yung]] uses a Mirage Omastar in ''[[The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon]]''.<br /> <br /> ==In the manga==<br /> ===Pokémon Special===<br /> {{Special|Yellow}} has an Omastar whom she originally obtained from [[Misty]] as an {{p|Omanyte}}.<br /> <br /> ==In the TCG==<br /> {{main|Omastar (TCG)}}<br /> <br /> ==Game data==<br /> ===Pokédex entries===<br /> {{Dex<br /> |type=rock<br /> |gen=1<br /> |redbluedex=A prehistoric Pokémon that died out when its heavy shell made it impossible to catch prey.<br /> |yellowdex=Sharp beaks ring its mouth. Its shell was too big for it to move freely, so it became extinct.<br /> |stadiumdex=Attacks by ensnaring its enemy with its tentacles and biting with sharp fangs. Its overly-large shell makes it sluggish.<br /> |golddex=Apparently, it cracked {{p|Shellder}}'s shell with its sharp fangs and sucked out the insides.<br /> |silverdex=Once wrapped around its prey, it never lets go. It eats the prey by tearing at it with sharp fangs.<br /> |crystaldex=Its heavy shell allowed it to reach only nearby food. This could be the reason it is extinct.<br /> |stadium2dex=Apparently, it cracked {{p|Shellder}}'s shell with its sharp fangs and sucked out the insides.<br /> |rubydex=Omastar uses its tentacles to capture its prey. It is believed to have become extinct because its shell grew too large and heavy, causing its movements to become too slow and ponderous.<br /> |sapphiredex=Omastar uses its tentacles to capture its prey. It is believed to have become extinct because its shell grew too large and heavy, causing its movements to become too slow and ponderous.<br /> |emeralddex=An Omastar uses its tentacles to capture its prey. It is believed to have become extinct because its shell grew too large, making its movements slow and ponderous.<br /> |firereddex=Its tentacles are highly developed as if they are hands and feet. As soon as it ensnares prey, it bites.<br /> |leafgreendex=Despite having strong fangs and tentacles, it went extinct when its heavy shell made it unable to catch prey.<br /> |diamonddex=It is thought that this Pokémon became extinct because its spiral shell grew too large.<br /> |pearldex=It is thought that this Pokémon became extinct because its spiral shell grew too large.<br /> |}}<br /> <br /> ===Game locations===<br /> <br /> {{Availability|<br /> type=rock |<br /> gen=1 |<br /> rbarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Omanyte}} |<br /> yarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Omanyte}} |<br /> frlgarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Omanyte}} |<br /> dparea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Omanyte}} |<br /> palarea=Sea |<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ====In side games====<br /> <br /> {| border=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;1&quot; cellpadding=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |- style=&quot;background: #{{rock color}};&quot; <br /> ! Game<br /> ! Location<br /> |-<br /> | [[Pokémon Trozei!]]<br /> | Secret Storage 9&lt;br&gt;Mr. Who's Den<br /> |-<br /> | [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon&lt;br&gt;(Red and Blue)]]<br /> | Evolve from {{p|Omanyte}}<br /> |-<br /> | [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon&lt;br&gt;(Time and Darkness)]]<br /> | Evolve from {{p|Omanyte}}<br /> |-<br /> | [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]<br /> | [[Wailord Lake]]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Base stats===<br /> {{BaseStats with RBY|<br /> HP=70 |<br /> Attack=60 |<br /> Defense=125 |<br /> SpAtk=115 |<br /> SpDef=70 |<br /> Special=115 |<br /> Speed=55 }}<br /> <br /> ===Type effectiveness===<br /> {{DP Type effectiveness|<br /> type1=rock |<br /> type2=water |<br /> Normal= 50 |<br /> Flying= 50 |<br /> Fighting=200 |<br /> Ground= 200 |<br /> Rock= 100 |<br /> Bug= 100 |<br /> Poison= 50 |<br /> Ghost= 100 |<br /> Steel= 100 |<br /> <br /> Fire= 25 |<br /> Water= 100 |<br /> Grass= 400 |<br /> Electric=200 |<br /> Psychic= 100 |<br /> Ice= 50 |<br /> Dragon= 100 |<br /> Dark= 100 }}<br /> <br /> ===Learnset===<br /> {{evolved learnset intro|Omastar}}<br /> <br /> ====By [[Level|leveling up]]====<br /> {{movelist|rock|water|4|1|Omastar}}<br /> {{mlentry4|Start|Constrict|Normal|Physical|10|100|35|Tough|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|Start|Withdraw|Water|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|40|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|Start|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25|Tough|3}}<br /> {{mlentry4|7|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25|Tough|3}}<br /> {{mlentry4|10|Water Gun|Water|Special|40|100|25|Cute|3||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|16|Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20|Tough|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|19|Leer|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|30|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|25|Mud Shot|Ground|Special|55|95|15|Tough|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|28|Brine|Water|Special|65|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|34|Protect|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Cute|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|37|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5|Tough|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|40|Spike Cannon|Normal|Physical|20|100|15|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|48|Tickle|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|20|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|56|Rock Blast|Rock|Physical|25|80|10|Tough|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|67|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|120|80|5|Beauty|2||'''}}<br /> {{movelist/note|4}}<br /> <br /> ====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====<br /> {{movelisttm|rock|water|4|1|Omastar}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM03]]|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|&amp;mdash;|85|10|Smart|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM07]]|Hail|Ice|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|&amp;mdash;|100|15|Smart|1}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM13]]|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM14]]|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|15|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Cute|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|5|Tough|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|20|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|20|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|15|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM37]]|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Tough|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM39]]|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10|Smart|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|20|Smart|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Cute|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|15|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM55]]|Brine|Water|Special|65|100|10|Smart|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Tough|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM68]]|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|15|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM69]]|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|20|Tough|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM71]]|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5|Tough|0||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM74]]|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|5|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM76]]|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|20|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|20|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM80]]|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|Tough|3||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Cute|3}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|15|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|90|15|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Smart|1}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[HM03]]|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[HM06]]|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|Tough|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[HM07]]|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3||'''}}<br /> {{movelist/note|4}}<br /> <br /> ====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====<br /> {{eggmoves|rock|water|4|1|Omastar}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Seel}}, {{p|Dewgong}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Shellder}}, {{p|Cloyster}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Remoraid}}, {{p|Octillery}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Spheal}}, {{p|Sealeo}}, {{p|Walrein}}|Aurora Beam|Ice|Special|65|100|20|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Poliwag}}, {{p|Poliwhirl}}, {{p|Poliwrath}}, {{p|Politoed}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Tentacool}}, {{p|Tentacruel}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Krabby}}, {{p|Kingler}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Horsea}}, {{p|Seadra}}, {{p|Kingdra}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Marill}}, {{p|Azumarill}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Corsola}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Remoraid}}, {{p|Octillery}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Mantine}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Surskit}}, {{p|Masquerain}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Corphish}}, {{p|Crawdaunt}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Prinplup}}, {{p|Empoleon}}|BubbleBeam|Water|Special|65|100|20|Beauty|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Surskit}}, {{p|Masquerain}}|Haze|Ice|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|30|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Corphish}}, {{p|Crawdaunt}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Skorupi}}, {{p|Drapion}}|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|20|100|20|Smart|3}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Totodile}}, {{p|Croconaw}}, {{p|Feraligatr}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Corsola}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Lileep}}, {{p|Cradily}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Anorith}}, {{p|Armaldo}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Spheal}}, {{p|Sealeo}}, {{p|Walrein}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Relicanth}}|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|Tough|3|*|'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Krabby}}, {{p|Kingler}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Dragonair}}, {{p|Dragonite}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}}|Slam|Normal|Physical|80|75|20|Tough|3}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Cloyster}}|Spikes|Ground|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|20|Smart|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Tentacool}}, {{p|Tentacruel}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Shellder}}, {{p|Cloyster}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Mantine}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Pelipper}}|Supersonic|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|55|20|Smart|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Tentacool}}, {{p|Tentacruel}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Cloyster}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Skorupi}}, {{p|Drapion}}|Toxic Spikes|Poison|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|20|Smart|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Tentacool}}, {{p|Tentacruel}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Kabuto}}, {{p|Kabutops}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Octillery}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Lileep}}, {{p|Cradily}}|Wring Out|Normal|Special|&amp;mdash;|100|5|Smart|0}}<br /> {{eggmoves/note|4}}<br /> <br /> ====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====<br /> {{tutor|rock|water|4|1|Omastar}}<br /> {{mtentry4|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5|Tough|2||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3|||yes|yes|no|no|no}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10|Beauty|1||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0|||yes|yes|no|no|no}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10|Smart|0|||no|no|no|no|yes}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Endure|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|no|no|no}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|15|Tough|2|||no|no|no|no|yes}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Knock Off|Dark|Physical|20|100|20|Smart|3|||no|no|no|no|yes}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Mimic|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Cute|0|||yes|yes|no|no|no}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3|||no|no|no|no|yes}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|Tough|3||'''|yes|yes|no|no|yes}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Rollout|Rock|Physical|30|90|20|Tough|2||'''|no|yes|no|no|no}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|no}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|yes}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Substitute|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Smart|1|||yes|yes|no|no|no}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Swagger|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|90|15|Cute|2|||no|yes|no|no|no}}<br /> {{tutor/note|4}}<br /> <br /> ====[[TCG|TCG]]-only Moves====<br /> *{{m|Bind}} {{ic|Normal}}<br /> *{{m|Hydro Cannon}} {{ic|Water}}<br /> <br /> ===Side game data===<br /> <br /> {{Side game|<br /> type=rock |<br /> ndex=139 |<br /> Pinevo=yes |<br /> Trozei=yes |<br /> rarity=Rare |<br /> Dungeon=yes |<br /> body=1 |<br /> rate=Evolve |<br /> area=Deep-Sea Floor |<br /> P1= There's no getting away from my tentacles' embrace! |<br /> P2= This doesn't look good. My health is reduced to half. |<br /> P3= Help me... I can't even wiggle my tentacles... |<br /> PL= Hm! Leveled up just as I'd hoped! |<br /> Partner=no |<br /> Ranger=no |<br /> Dungeon2=yes |<br /> body2=1 |<br /> rate2=-4.5% |<br /> iq=E |<br /> Ranger2=yes |<br /> typeG2= Water |<br /> typeA2= Water |<br /> field2= Soak x3 |<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Evolution===<br /> {{evobox/1|138|Omanyte|2|Rock|Water|[[Level|Level 40]]|139|Omastar|2|Rock|Water|}}<br /> <br /> ===Sprites===<br /> {{Sprite|<br /> type=rock|<br /> gen=1|<br /> gender=none|<br /> ndex=139|<br /> name=Omastar|<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> *Omastar originally had the name &quot;Kargo&quot;, which, when taken with Omanyte's beta name &quot;Ess&quot;, forms a misspelling of &quot;escargot&quot;, which is French for snail.<br /> *While Omastar could Learn {{m|Rollout}} by tutor in Emerald, it cannot learn it in Platinum. It can still be taught it as an {{p|Omanyte}}, though.<br /> **The opposite it true regarding {{m|Mud-Slap}}; while Omastar cannot learn it in Emerald, it now can in Platinum.<br /> ===Origin===<br /> It seems to be based on a type of {{wp|ammonite}}. <br /> ====Name origin====<br /> Omastar's name is a combination of オウムガイ ''ōmugai'', the Japanese word for ''{{wp|nautilus}}'', and ''{{wp|ammonite}}'', both names of the creatures on which it is based, as well as ''star'', referring to the shape of its body.<br /> <br /> ==In other languages==<br /> *[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Amoroso<br /> *[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Amonistar<br /> *[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 암스타 ''Amseuta''<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *[[wp:Omastar|Article on Wikipedia]]<br /> {{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Omanyte | next=Kabuto }}<br /> {{Project Pokédex notice}}<br /> [[Category:Fossil Pokémon]]<br /> [[Category:Pokémon that are part of a two-stage evolutionary line]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Amoroso]]<br /> [[fr:Amonistar]]<br /> [[ja:オムスター]]<br /> [[pl:Omastar]]<br /> [[pt:Omastar (pokémon)]]</div>

Timothy https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vermilion_City&diff=517415 2008-10-19T07:44:32Z

<p>Timothy: </p> <hr /> <div>Didn't Man's Machop evolve into Machoke in Generation II? - Maxim<br /> <br /> :Yep. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#CC0018&quot;&gt;T&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#0000C0&quot;&gt;M&lt;/font&gt;F''']] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::No. Please see [http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=machopsilverua1.jpg this screen] taken from Pokémon Silver. I read «''Machop: ...''» --[[User:Valepert|Valepert]] 05:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::That's strange...I fired up the Crystal version tonight and sure enough, it's a Machop. I have no idea where the Machoke idea came from (as I know I read it somewhere), but the fact is that it is a Machop.<br /> <br /> :::It does bear a striking resemblance to Machoke in appearance, however. Maybe that's where I got the idea from. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#CC0018&quot;&gt;T&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#0000C0&quot;&gt;M&lt;/font&gt;F''']] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::if there is going to be a GSDS my guess is that it will evolve or the house will even be finished!--lord mada 18:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC) that is if GSDS has a kanto region--lord mada 18:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::But it wasn't evolved in GS, why would it in GSDS? '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Because lots of things change in remakes and i cant think of any examples --lord mada 08:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> :I always thought it was interesting that when you traded a RBY Machop over to GSC, it arrived with a trade-only item called a 'Brick Piece'. It appears to have no purpose, but it only recently occurred to me that there could be a link between this guy in Vermilion owning a Machop, and needing materials to finish his house... could be a coincidence, I suppose, but I never thought to investigate. Does anyone know if there is a link? -Timothy.</div>

Timothy https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vermilion_City&diff=517414 2008-10-19T07:44:01Z

<p>Timothy: </p> <hr /> <div>Didn't Man's Machop evolve into Machoke in Generation II? - Maxim<br /> <br /> :Yep. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#CC0018&quot;&gt;T&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#0000C0&quot;&gt;M&lt;/font&gt;F''']] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC)<br /> ::No. Please see [http://img247.imageshack.us/my.php?image=machopsilverua1.jpg this screen] taken from Pokémon Silver. I read «''Machop: ...''» --[[User:Valepert|Valepert]] 05:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::That's strange...I fired up the Crystal version tonight and sure enough, it's a Machop. I have no idea where the Machoke idea came from (as I know I read it somewhere), but the fact is that it is a Machop.<br /> <br /> :::It does bear a striking resemblance to Machoke in appearance, however. Maybe that's where I got the idea from. --[[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''&lt;font color=&quot;#CC0018&quot;&gt;T&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#0000C0&quot;&gt;M&lt;/font&gt;F''']] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::if there is going to be a GSDS my guess is that it will evolve or the house will even be finished!--lord mada 18:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC) that is if GSDS has a kanto region--lord mada 18:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::But it wasn't evolved in GS, why would it in GSDS? '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Because lots of things change in remakes and i cant think of any examples --lord mada 08:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> :I always thought it was interesting that when you traded a RBY Machop over to GSC, it arrived with a trade-only item called a 'Brick Piece'. It appears to have no purpose, but it only recently occurred to me that there could be a link between this guy in Vermilion owning a Machop, and needing materials to finish his house... could be a coincidence, I suppose, but I never thought to investigate. Does anyone know if there is a link? -Tim.</div>

Timothy https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Gengar_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=507670 2008-10-10T01:34:29Z

<p>Timothy: </p> <hr /> <div>{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Haunter | next=Onix }}<br /> {{PokémonInfobox|<br /> name=Gengar |<br /> jname=ゲンガー |<br /> tmname=Gangar |<br /> image=094Gengar.png|size=130|<br /> caption=Artwork from FR/LG |<br /> ndex=094 |<br /> jdex=060 |<br /> hdex=264 |<br /> fdex=096 |<br /> sdex=071 |<br /> adex=019 |<br /> typen=2 |<br /> type1=Ghost |<br /> type2=Poison |<br /> species=Shadow |<br /> height-ftin=4′11″ |<br /> height-m=1.5 |<br /> weight-lbs=89.3 |<br /> weight-kg=40.5 |<br /> abilityn=1 |<br /> ability1=Levitate |<br /> ability2= |<br /> egggroupn=1 |<br /> egggroup1=Indeterminate |<br /> egggroup2= |<br /> hatchsteps=5,120 |<br /> effortyield=3 SpA |<br /> expyield=190 |<br /> lv100exp=1,059,860 |<br /> gender=both |<br /> female=50 |<br /> male=50 |<br /> color=Purple |<br /> catchrate=45 |<br /> body=06 |<br /> pokefordex=gengar |<br /> generation=1 |<br /> footnotes=}}<br /> '''Gengar''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ゲンガー''' ''Gangar'') is a dual-type {{2t|Ghost|Poison}} Pokémon.<br /> <br /> ==Biology==<br /> ===Physiology===<br /> Gengar is a dark-purple Pokémon with a roundish body. Gengar's hands now connect to the rest of its body and it now has a pair of legs. Gengar has a spike-covered back. Gengar's eyes are red and its mouth is usually curled into a sinister grin.<br /> ====Gender differences====<br /> None.<br /> <br /> ====Special abilities====<br /> Gengar has the same abilities in battle as a Haunter, only stronger. The presence of a Gengar can cool the temperature of the surrounding area by 10°F. Since Gengar is a fully evolved Pokémon, it can use {{m|Hyper Beam}} and {{m|Giga Impact}}.<br /> <br /> ===Behavior===<br /> ===Habitat===<br /> [[Image:Cave.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Cave Pokémon|Cave Pokémon]]]]<br /> <br /> Gengar live in shadows of rooms, caves, and dark places where shadows form.<br /> <br /> ===Diet===<br /> {{main|Pokémon food}}<br /> <br /> This Pokémon eats dreams, which is a trait similar to {{p|Drowzee}}.<br /> <br /> ==In the anime==<br /> [[Image:TheAncientPuzzleofPokemopolis.gif|thumb|right|A giant Gengar.]]<br /> Gengar first appeared in the opening of ''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]'', where it and a {{p|Nidorino}} battled in a [[Colosseum]].<br /> <br /> {{Ash}} first saw a Gengar in person in [[Lavender Town]] in ''[[EP023|The Tower of Terror]]'' while searching for a {{t|Ghost}}-type Pokémon to fight [[Sabrina]] with. Due to a close call, Ash got to spend some unexpected time with the ghostly trio, {{p|Gastly}}, {{TP|Sabrina|Haunter}}, and Gengar. <br /> <br /> In ''[[EP072|The Ancient Puzzle of Pokémopolis]]'', a giant Gengar was awakened near the Ancient City of Pokémopolis where it battled an equally large {{p|Alakazam}}.<br /> <br /> [[Drake (Orange League)|Drake]] of the [[Orange Islands]] used a Gengar in his battle with Ash in ''[[EP111|Hello, Pummelo!]]'' and ''[[EP112|Enter The Dragonite]]''. His Gengar managed to confuse [[Ash's Tauros]] before he returned it and tried with [[Ash's Lapras]]. In the collision between {{m|Night Shade}} and {{m|Ice Beam}}, both Lapras and Gengar fainted.<br /> <br /> A Gengar appeared [[Morty's Gengar|under the ownership of]] [[Ecruteak City]] [[Gym Leader]] [[Morty]] in ''[[EP181|A Ghost Of A Chance]]'', ''[[EP182|From Ghost to Ghost]]'', and ''[[EP227|For Ho-Oh the Bells Toll!]]''.<br /> <br /> [[Agatha]] used a Gengar to battle [[Ash's Pikachu]] in ''[[AG132|The Scheme Team]]''. The Ghost Pokémon defeated Pikachu.<br /> <br /> Gengar was the leader of &quot;[[Team Meanies]]&quot; in ''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Team Go-Getters out of the Gate!]]''<br /> <br /> A Gengar appeared in [[DP090]].<br /> <br /> ==In the manga==<br /> In [[Pokémon Special]], [[Agatha]] has two Gengar on her team. One of them was used to attack {{Special|Green}} and [[Koga]] from the shadows, draining the latter's life force as it possessed his shadow.<br /> <br /> Another Gengar was seen at the beginning of the FireRed and LeafGreen saga in {{PSV|23}}. It was used by a kid from [[Pallet Town]] in an attempt to capture a {{p|Nidorino}}, thus replicating the opening sequence of the [[Generation I]] video games.<br /> <br /> ==In the TCG==<br /> {{main|Gengar (TCG)}}<br /> <br /> ==Game data==<br /> ===NPC appearances===<br /> * [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]]: Gengar is the leader of [[Team Meanies]]. While often accompanied by {{p|Ekans}} and {{p|Medicham}}, Gengar will often act alone and spends much of the game causing trouble, even convincing the village to exile the hero, blaming him or her for the natural disasters. However, it is later revealed that he is the cursed human.<br /> <br /> ===Pokédex entries===<br /> {{dex<br /> |gen=1<br /> |type=ghost<br /> |redbluedex=Under a full moon, this Pokémon likes to mimic the shadows of people and laugh at their fright.<br /> |yellowdex=A Gengar is close by if you feel a sudden chill. It may be trying to lay a curse on you.<br /> |stadiumdex=Appears to attack people who get lost in the mountains. Said to be the culprit behind shadows that laugh in the moonlight.<br /> |golddex=It steals heat from its surroundings. If you feel a sudden chill, it is certain that a Gengar appeared.<br /> |silverdex=To steal the life of its target, it slips into the prey's shadow and silently waits for an opportunity.<br /> |crystaldex=Hiding in people's shadows at night, it absorbs their heat. The chill it causes makes the victims shake.<br /> |stadium2dex=It steals heat from its surroundings. If you feel a sudden chill, it is certain that a Gengar appeared.<br /> |rubydex=Sometimes, on a dark night, your shadow thrown by a streetlight will suddenly and startlingly overtake you. It is actually a Gengar running past you, pretending to be your shadow.<br /> |sapphiredex=Sometimes, on a dark night, your shadow thrown by a streetlight will suddenly and startlingly overtake you. It is actually a Gengar running past you, pretending to be your shadow.<br /> |emeralddex=Deep in the night, your shadow cast by a streetlight may suddenly overtake you. It is actually a Gengar running past you, pretending to be your shadow.<br /> |firereddex=It is said to emerge from darkness to steal the lives of those who become lost in mountains.<br /> |leafgreendex=On the night of the full moon, if shadows move on their own and laugh, it must be Gengar's doing.<br /> |diamonddex=It hides in shadows. It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees F.<br /> |pearldex=Lurking in the shadowy corners of rooms, it awaits chances to steal its prey's life force.<br /> |platinumdex=&lt;sup&gt;{{tt|JP|Unofficial translation of the Japanese entry}}&lt;/sup&gt; It hides in shadows. It is said that if Gengar is hiding, it cools the area by nearly 10 degrees F.}}<br /> <br /> ===Game locations===<br /> {{Availability|<br /> type=ghost |<br /> gen=1 |<br /> rbarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Haunter}} |<br /> yarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Haunter}} |<br /> gsarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Haunter}} |<br /> carea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Haunter}} |<br /> frlgarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Haunter}} |<br /> dprarity=Rare |<br /> dparea=[[Old Chateau]] ([[dongle method]]) |<br /> palarea=Forest |<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ====In side games====<br /> {| border=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;1&quot; cellpadding=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |- style=&quot;background: #{{ghost color}};&quot; <br /> ! Game<br /> ! Location<br /> |-<br /> | [[Pokémon Channel]]<br /> | [[Mt. Snowfall|Ruins of Truth]]<br /> |-<br /> | [[Pokémon Trozei!]]<br /> | Endless Level 68&lt;br&gt;Forever Level 18&lt;br&gt;Pair Battle&lt;br&gt;Mr. Who's Den<br /> |-<br /> | [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon&lt;br&gt;(Red and Blue)]]<br /> | Evolve from {{p|Haunter}}<br /> |-<br /> | [[Pokémon Ranger]]<br /> | [[Fiore Temple]]<br /> |-<br /> | [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon&lt;br&gt;(Time and Darkness)]]<br /> | [[Sky Stairway]] (1F-49F)<br /> |-<br /> | [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]<br /> | [[Hippowdon Temple]]&lt;br&gt;[[Asoheru Building]]&lt;br&gt;[[Asoheru Tower]]<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ===Base stats===<br /> {{BaseStats with RBY|<br /> HP=60 |<br /> Attack=65 |<br /> Defense=60 |<br /> SpAtk=130 |<br /> SpDef=75 |<br /> Special=130 |<br /> Speed=110 }}<br /> <br /> ===Type effectiveness===<br /> {{DP Type effectiveness|<br /> type1=Ghost|<br /> type2=Poison|<br /> Normal= 0 |<br /> Flying= 100 |<br /> Fighting= 0 |<br /> Ground= 0 |<br /> Rock= 100 |<br /> Bug= 25 |<br /> Poison= 25 |<br /> Ghost= 200 |<br /> Steel= 100 |<br /> <br /> Fire= 100 |<br /> Water= 100 |<br /> Grass= 50 |<br /> Electric=100 |<br /> Psychic= 200 |<br /> Ice= 100 |<br /> Dragon= 100 |<br /> Dark= 200 |<br /> notes=yes|<br /> ghost=yes|<br /> levitate=gen1|<br /> newground=2|<br /> newfighting=½|<br /> newnormal=1|<br /> gen1poison=yes|<br /> oldgrass=½|<br /> oldbug=2}}<br /> <br /> ===Learnset===<br /> {{evolved learnset intro|Gengar}}<br /> <br /> ====By [[Level|leveling up]]====<br /> {{movelist|ghost|poison|4|1|Gengar}}<br /> {{mlentry4|Previous|Hypnosis|Psychic|Status|&amp;mdash;|70|20|Smart|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|Previous|Lick|Ghost|Physical|20|100|30|Tough|0||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|Previous|Spite|Ghost|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|10|Tough|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|Previous|Mean Look|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|5|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|Previous|Curse|???|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Tough|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|Previous|Night Shade|Ghost|Special|&amp;mdash;|100|15|Smart|3}}<br /> {{mlentry4|Previous|Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|10|Smart|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|Previous|Sucker Punch|Dark|Physical|80|100|5|Smart|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|25|Shadow Punch|Ghost|Physical|60|&amp;mdash;|20|Smart|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|28|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10|Cool|1}}<br /> {{mlentry4|33|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|39|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1}}<br /> {{mlentry4|44|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|50|Destiny Bond|Ghost|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|5|Smart|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|55|Nightmare|Ghost|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|15|Smart|2}}<br /> {{movelist/note|3}}<br /> <br /> ====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====<br /> {{movelisttm|ghost|poison|4|1|Gengar}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM01]]|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20|Tough|1}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|&amp;mdash;|85|10|Smart|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|&amp;mdash;|100|15|Smart|1}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|5|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM12]]|Taunt|Dark|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|20|Smart|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Cute|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|5|Tough|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM19]]|Giga Drain|Grass|Special|60|100|10|Smart|1}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|20|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM24]]|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|20|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM29]]|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM30]]|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15|Smart|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM31]]|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|3}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|15|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM36]]|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10|Tough|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM41]]|Torment|Dark|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|15|Tough|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|20|Smart|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Cute|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|15|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM46]]|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10|Tough|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM48]]|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Smart|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM49]]|Snatch|Dark|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Smart|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM52]]|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5|Cool|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM53]]|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM56]]|Fling|Dark|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|10|Tough|1}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Tough|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM60]]|Drain Punch|Fighting|Physical|60|100|5|Beauty|1}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM61]]|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|&amp;mdash;|75|15|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM63]]|Embargo|Dark|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|15|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM64]]|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5|Beauty|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM65]]|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15|Cute|2||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM66]]|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10|Cool|1}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM68]]|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM77]]|Psych Up|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Smart|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|100|20|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM79]]|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Cute|3}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|15|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM84]]|Poison Jab|Poison|Physical|80|100|20|Smart|0||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM85]]|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|90|15|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Smart|1}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[TM92]]|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|5|Cute|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[HM04]]|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}<br /> {{mlentry4|[[HM06]]|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|Tough|2}}<br /> {{movelist/note|4}}<br /> <br /> ====By [[breeding]]====<br /> {{eggmoves|ghost|poison|4|1|Gengar}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Misdreavus}}, {{p|Mismagius}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Duskull}}, {{p|Dusclops}}, {{p|Dusknoir}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Chimecho}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Drifloon}}, {{p|Drifblim}}|Astonish|Ghost|Physical|30|100|15|Smart|3||'''}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Koffing}}, {{p|Weezing}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Drifloon}}, {{p|Drifblim}}|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5|Beauty|0}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Dusclops}}, {{p|Dusknoir}}|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Misdreavus}}, {{p|Mismagius}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Shuppet}}, {{p|Banette}}|Grudge|Ghost|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|5|Tough|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Koffing}}, {{p|Weezing}}|Haze|Ice|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|30|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Dusclops}}, {{p|Dusknoir}}|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Misdreavus}}, {{p|Mismagius}}|Perish Song|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|5|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Misdreavus}}, {{p|Mismagius}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Chimecho}}|Psywave|Psychic|Special|&amp;mdash;|80|15|Smart|3}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Dusclops}}, {{p|Dusknoir}}|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2}}<br /> {{mlentry4|{{p|Duskull}}, {{p|Dusclops}}, {{p|Dusknoir}}&lt;br&gt;{{p|Shuppet}}, {{p|Banette}}|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|&amp;mdash;|75|15|Beauty|2}}<br /> {{eggmoves/note|3}}<br /> <br /> ====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====<br /> {{tutor|ghost|poison|4|1|Gengar}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Counter|Fighting|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|20|Tough|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|Smart|1|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|DynamicPunch|Fighting|Physical|100|50|5|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Endure|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Explosion|Normal|Physical|250|100|5|Beauty|0|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Fire Punch|Fire|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Ice Punch|Ice|Physical|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Mega Kick|Normal|Physical|120|75|5|Cool|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Mega Punch|Normal|Physical|80|85|20|Tough|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Metronome|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Cute|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Psych Up|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Smart|0|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Seismic Toss|Fighting|Physical|&amp;mdash;|100|20|Tough|3|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cool|3|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Substitute|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|&amp;mdash;|10|Smart|1|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|Swagger|Normal|Status|&amp;mdash;|90|15|Cute|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{mtentry4|ThunderPunch|Electric|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}<br /> {{tutor/note|4}}<br /> <br /> ===Side game data===<br /> <br /> {{Side game|<br /> type=ghost |<br /> ndex=094 |<br /> Pinevo=yes |<br /> Trozei=yes |<br /> rarity=Rare |<br /> Dungeon=yes |<br /> body=1 |<br /> rate=Evolve |<br /> area=Darkness Ridge|<br /> P1= My red eyes aren't from lack of sleep! |<br /> P2= Confound it! My HP is already missing by half... |<br /> P3= This is my ruin... Even my shadow grows dim... |<br /> PL= Very well! I've leveled! |<br /> Partner=yes |<br /> PP1= Kekeh! I'm counting on you! |<br /> PP2= Kekeh? This is getting a bit rough... |<br /> PP3= Gegeh! I'm about to faint! Oi! Heal me quick! |<br /> PPL= N/A |<br /> Ranger=yes |<br /> typeG= Ghost |<br /> typeA= Ghost |<br /> field= None |<br /> loop=7 |<br /> MinEXP=100 |<br /> MaxEXP=120 |<br /> browser= Beware--Gengar abducts your Pokémon. It makes copies of itself to attack. |<br /> Dungeon2=yes |<br /> body2=1 |<br /> rate2=-10% |<br /> iq=G |<br /> Ranger2=yes |<br /> typeG2= Ghost |<br /> typeA2= Ghost |<br /> field2= Psychic Power x3 |<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Evolution===<br /> {{evobox/2|092|Gastly|2|Ghost|Poison|[[Level|Level 25]]|093|Haunter|2|Ghost|Poison|[[Trade]]|094|Gengar|2|Ghost|Poison}}<br /> <br /> ===Sprites===<br /> {{Sprite|<br /> type=ghost|<br /> gen=1|<br /> gender=none|<br /> ndex=094|<br /> name=Gengar|<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Trivia==<br /> *&quot;Phantom&quot; was the original English name for Gengar.<br /> *In earlier generations, Gengar was darker in color. This may have had to do with the limited color scheme of the [[Game Boy]] and [[Game Boy Color]], however.<br /> *In [[Generation II]], Gengar gains a tuft of hair on its head.<br /> *Gengar, along with {{p|Nidorino}} (who it battles in the beginning of Red, Blue Green, FireRed and LeafGreen) and probably other Pokémon, originate from the old manga, [[Capsule Monsters]] which is considered ancestor to the Pokémon franchise.<br /> *By using the dongle method, Gengar is the first Pokémon that requires to be evolved through trading can be caught in the wild at the [[Old Chateau]]. Other Pokémon that evolve through trade still have to be done this way. The only other Pokémon that a player can get a final stage Pokémon without trading is {{p|Steelix}} which is also wild in [[Sinnoh]].<br /> *Gengar's Sugimori artwork looks more similar to Gengar's shiny sprite rather than its regular sprite.<br /> *As Gastly, Haunter and Gengar were the only {{type2|Ghost}}s in [[Generation I]], and as well part {{t|Poison}}, many assumed falsely that Ghost Pokémon were weak to {{type2|Psychic}} moves. This was cleared up by the introduction of {{p|Misdreavus}} in [[Generation II]] and other pure-Ghost Pokémon in subsequent generations.<br /> *Even though Gengar is part {{type2|Poison}}, like its pre-[[evolution]]s, it cannot learn any Poison-type moves by level up.<br /> *Despite the repeated references to Gengar causing 'chills' and dropping the surrounding temperature in its Pokédex entries, Gengar cannot learn any Ice-type moves by level-up or TM/HM, though it can learn two via breeding.<br /> <br /> ===Origin===<br /> It seems to be simply based on general cartoonish {{wp|ghost}}s, and possibly on a distorted shadow of a human being like {{wp|shadow people}}. The overall appearance could also be an homage to the {{wp|Alice in Wonderland|Cheshire Cat}}. Gengar also has some similarities to {{wp|Gremlins}} with both looks and personality (violent, rude, and wild).<br /> ====Name origin====<br /> Gengar's name is possibly a shortening of ''{{wp|doppelgänger}}'' - a ghostly double of a person, which would be a fitting name for a Pokémon with a habit of pretending to be a person's shadow. The kanji 幻, which can be read &quot;gen&quot;, can be used for words meaning &quot;phantom&quot; or &quot;illusion&quot;.<br /> <br /> Some also suspect that, like {{P|Kangaskhan}}, Gengar's name may be partially based on ''{{wp|Genghis Khan}}'', founder of the Mongol Empire, what with Gengar's chaotic and dangerous behavior towards others for its own amusement.<br /> <br /> ==In other languages==<br /> *[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Gengar<br /> *[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Ectoplasma - From ''[[wp:Ectoplasm|ectoplasm]]'', the substance that supposedly emanates from the body of a spiritualistic medium when contacting the dead.<br /> <br /> *[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 팬텀 ''Paenteom'' - A transliteration of the English word ''phantom''.<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *[[wp:Gastly evolutionary line#Gengar|Article on Wikipedia]]<br /> <br /> {{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Haunter | next=Onix }}<br /> {{Project Pokédex notice}}<br /> [[Category:Pokémon that are part of a three-stage evolutionary line]]<br /> [[Category:Pokémon that are included in the Japan-only Pokémon Stadium]]<br /> [[de:Gengar]]<br /> [[fr:Ectoplasma]]<br /> [[ja:ゲンガー]]<br /> [[pt:Gengar (pokémon)]]</div>

Timothy https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jolteon_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=504696 2008-10-07T13:14:17Z

<p>Timothy: New page: Perhaps it is worth mentioning in the trivia section that, for Generation I, Jolteon was the only Pokémon who could inflict substantial super-effective damage on a pure Psychic-type while...</p> <hr /> <div>Perhaps it is worth mentioning in the trivia section that, for Generation I, Jolteon was the only Pokémon who could inflict substantial super-effective damage on a pure Psychic-type while not being weak to the Psychic type itself? This comes from its ability to use Pin Missile. -Timothy</div>

Timothy https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Misty/Archive_1&diff=504648 2008-10-07T12:00:51Z

<p>Timothy: /* Generation IV Pokemon */</p> <hr /> <div>I can understand the &quot;link each Pokemon once&quot; for a paragraph, but should this also apply to lists of owned Pokemon? I can understand of Misty has two Goldeen, to link only the first of the two in the list, but if there's a list of her anime Pokemon, a list of her Pokeomn in Red and in Gold and in Stadium 1 and Stadium 2 and the card games, and I head straight for the Stadium 2 list, shouldn't Goldeen in that list be linked, even though it make have been linked in a paragraph or the Red/Blue Pokemon list before? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> Good point. Since the sections of the Gym Leaders are so diverse, you might miss a link for each section. Ask Argy or Evkl for their opinions.<br /> <br /> - Zeta<br /> <br /> By the way - we should problably develop a special marker or something for Gym Leader while we're at it. Or at least the leaders that appear in multiple formats - particularly games, manga, AND anime.<br /> <br /> - Zeta<br /> <br /> :Both seem reasonable suggestions to be.--[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 04:40, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> '''At Cerulean Gym'''<br /> Isn't she at Cerulean Gym right now? So wouldn't logic dictate that she actually has those Pokémon on-hand rather than in storage? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 09:32, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Good point, Ferret. As for the other issue, Pokémon should be linked in the lists even if they were previously mentioned in the article. It is reasonable to suspect that some would go right to a specific section rather than read the entire article. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 22:01, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Misty isn't the only main character not to have their parents revealed. What about Tracey? - Kenji-girl<br /> <br /> == About Misty... ==<br /> <br /> Shouldn't it be noteworthy that Mayumi Iizuka mentioned in her blog that Misty might return for the &quot;Diamond and Pearl&quot; anime? I mean, I personally feel that it should be mentioned. Another thing is that even bulbanews somewhat confirmed it, (or, if not, they at least confirmed that Mayumi Iizuka didn't mean specials considering that she actually confirmed the specials thing BEFORE she hinted at Misty making a possible return sometime in the future, and besides which, the 10th anniversary special's first [and only] airing in Japan was on November 11th, 2006, almost 5 months prior to making that announcement on March of 2007.), but then again, I don't run the site.<br /> ::IIRC, that ended up getting interpreted as &quot;I will be doing more specials&quot;. Has anyone seen anything on her blog since? For that matter, is there a link to the entry in question? - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]<br /> I do have a link to this entry: it's [http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/mayumi_blog/archive/2007/3/6|http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/mayumi_blog/archive/2007/3/6], or, for the Bulbanews Translation, it's http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kasumi_to_make_appearance_in_anime.<br /> And speaking of the bulbanews article, it pretty much confirmed the part involving her doing specials. However, the confirmation on her doing specials was, as I said, right BEFORE the hint at Misty's appearance.<br /> :Fixed the links, hope you don't mind. Bulbanews link sadly doesn't seem to have a translation and the original is going to require better translator program than Babelfish. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]<br /> Yeah, when I said the &quot;Bulbanews translation&quot;, I was meaning the lines that said &quot;According to (Insert japanese link here), the blog of voice actress Mayumi Iizuka, Kasumi will be &quot;Navigating&quot;, that is to say, hosting several parts of the first Pokemon 10th anniversary special, which airs on TV Tokyo tonight at 7 pm JST. She hinted at a further appearance sometime in the future.&quot;, since they had to have translated the blog to get this information.<br /> <br /> Ok, I think that i should add in that tidbit in regards to Mayumi Iizuka hinting in her blog that Misty will be appearing in Diamond and Pearl. I mean, If they allowed something that Eric Stuart said in a K-Zone article in regards to Brock's Last Name to be said in the Trivia section of Brocks article, I'm pretty sure they will allow something in regards to Mayumi Iizuka's Blog in regards to Misty here.<br /> :You can try, though someone might take it out again because they think it's 'fanwank'. Make sure to add that no such appearence has happened yet. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]<br /> <br /> == [[EP001]] ==<br /> <br /> Misty appeared in episode one so I'm changing her profile to EP001-AG145 and MMop-present because she has not appeared in the season nine anime<br /> <br /> == Misty's outfit ==<br /> <br /> Do you think you could find a picture of Misty's current outfit and put it below her old outfit<br /> <br /> Of course! [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]]<br /> <br /> == ummm... shouldn't there be a listing of accomplishments/competitions that Misty has been in? ==<br /> <br /> I mean, Why not? I mean, Misty has had her fair share of accomplishments, She competed and was champ in the Queen of the princess festival contest, She competed in the race, she is the champ of the water race in the 5th movie, she ranked 3rd place in the whirl cup, she was champ in the seaking fishing tourney, and many other things that she competed in. I mean, if you gave a list for the accomplishments in non-gyms/leagues/BF battles in ash's page, and accomplishments in Jessie and James' respective pages, you can most certainly allow an accomplishments/competitions list for misty. <br /> <br /> Speaking of Jessie, I also noticed that she didn't have the fact that she ranked 2nd place in the Queen of the Princess festival contest listed under her achievements/competitions page. I mean, what exactly is the matter with that contest? If you were able to reference James winning the Orienteering competition and his ranking 2nd place in the ring-leading tournament in his page, you can most certainly allow the ranking of 2nd place in the queen of the princess festival contest in Jessies page.<br /> <br /> ~~Weedle Mchairybug~~<br /> <br /> :I guess so. But Misty didn't win that water race. It was the guy with the Walmer. And it was the '''5th''' movie. And she was in second place in the Whirl Cup competition. The only thing Misty really one in the series was the Princess competition. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;ケンジ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;ガール&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> wait a minute... I thought the Serebii.net Movie summary said that she actually was the CHAMP of that race... I thought Misty beat Rossi (you know, wailmer man) and I thought she won that medal that tells the legend of the Lati@s and the origin of Alto Mare. Also, didn't trinity beat Misty and yet lose against the guy with the Feraligator? And even if Trinity beat Feraligator man, it still proves that the fight of Misty vs. trinity wasn't the final battle of the tournament. So in that sense, yes she did win 3rd place in the whirl tournament. So really, why NOT mention those 2?<br /> <br /> Aso, I just corrected my Fau Pax in regards to which movie. I did think 5th movie, but I typoed.<br /> :She was top 8 at the Whirl Cup and won the race in movie 5.<br /> :And the simple reason the list isn't there is simply because no one has got round to it yet. That's the way of the wiki - you are welcome to add it yourself. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> &lt;div id=&quot;linkto&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> OK, stop edit warring over the contest in [[EP050]]. Personally, I think it warrents inclusion since it was set up as a tournament but let's ''discuss'' this. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> actually, I eliminated the most recent addition in light of what Kenji_Girl said on her talk Page.<br /> <br /> == Misty's DP appearance ==<br /> <br /> Doesn't anyone believe that Iizuka may have been referring to [[Misty's special lure]] in [[DP034]] rather than Misty herself? I mean that episode came a few weeks after she announced it. I think that's most likely what she was talking about. But that's just me. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;ケンジ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;ガール&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I doubt It, I mean, considering that it was her [B]Voice Actress[/B] who stated it, I don't think so. Now If it was her [B]Animator[/B] who stated it, then, yes, it would have been far more likely.<br /> :Given that it is her voice actress, the chances of it being the Misty lure are really unlikely unless she misunderstood something an animator said to her.<br /> :It is odd that we haven't seen Misty appear since then but ''Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon'' was recorded eight months before the Japanese audience got to see it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Since May just made her guest appearance, I wouldn't count on Misty showing up for a while. I seriously doubt they'll do one right after the other. I think once the gang reaches Cannalave City she'll show up. It is near water and a major port, so it would be a good time for her. She might even travel to Iron Island with them! i hope anyway... but i get the feeling Iizuka did mean the lure. Refering to something over 80 episodes into the seires doesnt seem to likely. I have to go with Kenji-girl one this one. [[User:Hatsumi|Hatsumi]] 23:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)Hatsumi<br /> <br /> :The problem is that Mayumi Iizuka is a VA, I mean, if the blog was written by, oh, I don't know, Misty's concept designer, then, yes, that person WOULD have meant the lure, but this was made by her VA, and since, if she mentions something that points to Misty's return (or at the VERY Least a cameo from her), It would mean a SPEAKING role, which means that the character herself would be the one making the appearance, not the Lure.<br /> <br /> :[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 01:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: I know. im just saying its probably gonna be a while. T_T to bad though. [[User:Hatsumi|Hatsumi]] 01:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Hatsumi<br /> :::I think it's been a bit too long since that blog post was made for it to count now. It would really help to know a little bit of context. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|&lt;/sup&gt; 01:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Wikipedia kept it's source of Aonuma saying in a Press conference with IGN that Ganon will appear in twilight Princess for TWICE As long as this one (there was a 2 year gap between the press conference and the release of TP, 3 years by America's standards, and there was too much controversy in the Zelda Fandom as to whether the Zelda Staff was lying or not, and despite ALL that, until it's release, they kept it in. Heck, they even kept in the statement that Aonuma had released concept designs of Sheik AND Ganondorf as well.) If they were able to do it that long, we should as well.<br /> <br /> ::::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Page locked? ==<br /> <br /> Why is the page locked[[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] 02:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Because of &quot;edit wars&quot;. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;ケンジ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;ガール&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::The edit war was over whether the private tournament in [[EP050]] should be considered a notable achievement for Misty. It was first put in by {{u|Weedle Mchairybug}}, who put it back in a second time after {{u|Kenji-girl}} removed the reference. However, {{u|Shiny Noctowl}} decided it was notable after Kenji-girl removed it the second time and reverted the edit. Kenji-girl removes it a third time, Shiny Noctowl puts it back in again for the fourth time. By this point, Weedle Mchairybug (the original instigator) has given in and makes the fourth removal. Shiny Noctowl does another reversion to put it back in a fifth time. {{u|Fabu-Vinny}} had had enough at this point in time and put the page under protection.<br /> <br /> ::And this isn't the first time Shiny Noctowl's caused controversy. He's been known to defend the notability of articles whose entire premise is not notable and can't be made notable no matter what (such as an article about ROM hacks in general), and he once tried to get the occurences of [[Template:tt]] used for Pokémon in Japanese anime episode titles changed over to [[Template:pt]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :::Why are you completely blaming '''me'''? '''Kenji-Girl''' is the one who '''removed''' the ''completely legitimate and notable'' content. And, as you can see [[Talk:Misty#linkto|here]], Fabu-Vinny, an '''''administrator''''', agrees with me that it should be included. And how would it hurt anyone to include it, anyway? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #221202&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #554535&quot;&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #887868&quot;&gt;i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #BBAB9B&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #EEDECE&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;?&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> God...Stop this...I think the little 'contest' for Togepi is not relevant as it was not official, only Team Rocket and the twoips participated. Everything else is good, so there! [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033&quot;&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366&quot;&gt;g&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#215670&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006699&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D6E89&quot;&gt;t&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0066CC&quot;&gt;#&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Mission|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3D81EE&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Lucario (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66B5FF&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#99C9FF&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Manual of style|&lt;span style=&quot; color:#C3D9FF;&quot;&gt;♂&lt;/span&gt;]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User:Optimus35/Diamond&amp;amp;Pearl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B0E0E6&quot;&gt;D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FFC0CB&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]] | [[User:Optimus35/Emerald|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66FF00;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;]] | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&amp;title=Special%3AContributions&amp;contribs=user&amp;target=Optimus35&amp;namespace=0&amp;year=&amp;month=-1 ☆]&lt;/sup&gt;[[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 13:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :IN OTHER WORDS...Only '''''OFFICIAL''''' tournaments, got it? (We also need to remove for Ash :P) [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033&quot;&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366&quot;&gt;g&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#215670&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006699&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D6E89&quot;&gt;t&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0066CC&quot;&gt;#&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Mission|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3D81EE&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Lucario (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66B5FF&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#99C9FF&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Manual of style|&lt;span style=&quot; color:#C3D9FF;&quot;&gt;♂&lt;/span&gt;]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User:Optimus35/Diamond&amp;amp;Pearl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B0E0E6&quot;&gt;D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FFC0CB&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]] | [[User:Optimus35/Emerald|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66FF00;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;]] | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&amp;title=Special%3AContributions&amp;contribs=user&amp;target=Optimus35&amp;namespace=0&amp;year=&amp;month=-1 ☆]&lt;/sup&gt;[[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 13:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC) And Meowth...and Brock...<br /> <br /> First of all, an administrator agrees with me. Second, since it '''was''' a contest, and '''it caused Misty to get her main Pokémon''', Misty actually '''won''' something. (Okay, actually she got second place, but Togepi didn't like Ash, who won. However, '''that doesn't mean that Misty was guaranteed to get Togepi!''' If Team Rocket had won, they would've kept Togepi for themselves, even if Togepi didn't want to be with Team Rocket. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #221202&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #554535&quot;&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #887868&quot;&gt;i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #BBAB9B&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #EEDECE&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;?&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Can't we just list it as &quot;unnofficial mini-tournament?&quot; And what about that contest where Jessie used Aipom? That was unofficial. Are we striking THAT from record? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 14:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Now we can strike back because that's her only accomplishment. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 19:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ok... Should the fact that Misty's leaving the main cast caused controversy among the fanbase be mentioned in the article? ==<br /> <br /> I mean, I feel it is worth noting as well as the fact that several people want Misty back for various reasons. I mean, If you guys allowed the Buizel article to mention the the huge &quot;Ash's Buizel or Dawn's Buizel&quot; Controversy that was there since the 10th movie poster was unveiled as well as the fact that several fans want Brock axed out and the fans that don't think that Brock could leave now, I think that the whole &quot;Misty Leaving/Bring Back Misty&quot; controversy should recieve a mention, if not in the main anime bio, then at least the trivia section of the article.<br /> :I would actually argue the opposite (that the Buizel Controversy be removed from that page), because when you let one &quot;Controversy Section&quot; remain that isn't really necessary to the article, then you have to let in the others. Would you be just as happy to see a whole &quot;May Leaving/Bring Back May&quot; Controversy section in that article?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 02:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::Misty leaving was a really big issue, though. Certainly far more controversial than the transfer from May to Dawn. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::: Speaking only on this case, I'd say it's worth mentioning. Last I heard, many people stopped watching the show after Misty left and many more formed May Hate Clubs simply because she wasn't Misty. Hell, Cybercubed could probably write a page on it, so a paragraph isn't out of the question. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 11:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> Ok, I edited in the paragraph that mentions the controversy in both the main Anime Bio and the Trivia section, because I thought that even if one gets erased, i can still have the other on there.<br /> ~~Weedle McHairybug~~<br /> <br /> Isn't the purpose of a wiki supposed to be to provide a neutral point of view? Mentioning any controversey would be in direct violation of that. However, I would tolerate it in the trivia section, but it should have no place in the bio. - PDL<br /> <br /> As long as the article doesn't actually take a side, I don't see the problem. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 11:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Ok, PDL, I think that it [the controversy] should be mentioned in this article, also, I should just point out that Brock's article actually referenced a current fanbase controversy in his bio (and, just FYI it's [[Brock#In_The_Anime#Character|Here]] and [[Brock#In_The_Anime#History|Here]]), so I don't think that that part means anything (at least, certainly not in this wiki.) And besides, I'd add it back into the trivia section of the article, but apparantly someone removed it when i posted this Info the first time around. I'll add the info back into the trivia section (much less in the article as a whole) as long as someone doesn't attempt to remove it in the future (yes, that goes for you too, PDL).<br /> <br /> ~~Weedle_McHairybug~~<br /> <br /> Honestly, I don't see why the article even needs to even bring it up. It only seems to make Misty appear to be much more important to the anime then she really was. The anime as a whole hasn't actually suffered now that Misty is no longer a part of the main cast of characters (Save for a few belly-achers... You know who you are... &gt;_&gt;)<br /> <br /> Plus it shouldn't even an issue any longer since it's been nearly 6 years now.<br /> <br /> Anyway, I put it in it's own section since it shouldn't be included in the main bio. I won't delete it, but I still think it's pandering to Misty fans who still complain about Misty not being in the anime.<br /> <br /> - PDL<br /> <br /> Fine then, I don't really care if it is in the Anime section, the Trivia Section, or even it's own section. As long as it is mentioned in the article, it is all right with me. (Though I personally disagree with the whole &quot;Anime hasn't suffered&quot; arguement considering that, before Misty left, It's ratings WORLDWIDE were fairly strong. But AFTER Misty left, the only country that even HAS Decent ratings is Japan, since people very rarely watch the anime anymore, and the Movies are currently being released DTD/DTV, which hints at their low ratings, as well as europe not even getting several of the movies/seasons until at least 4 years have passed in japan, and 3 years here in the USA. Heck, fairly recently, China banned pokemon from its airwaves. If all of these things doesn't constitute as the Anime Suffering, then I don't know WHAT does. But, whatever, It's your opinion.)<br /> <br /> However, Now that you have mentioned it, you've really got some work to do. Since you feel that fan controversies should NEVER be mentioned within an Main Anime Character's Bio, I highly suggest that you delete certain sections in Brock's Anime Bio (or at least move them to the trivia section/it's very own section.) since, believe me, If you read the last sentence of the last paragraph in Brock's Character subsection of his character Bio, you'll notice that the entire thing is swimming with fan complaints among other things. Same deal with the Last few sentences of his History section. Oh, and in case My links didn't work out for you, It's these lines:<br /> <br /> From the Character subsection:<br /> <br /> &quot;His role has always been purely one as support for other main characters, [B]but some fans find this disappointing and want him to take a more active role in the series to make his character more interesting.[/B]&quot; <br /> <br /> From the History section:<br /> <br /> Brock is among the longest-lived main characters in the anime, only being absent from the Orange Islands season and thus ranked under only the permanent characters of Ash, Pikachu, Jessie, James, and Meowth. [B]Because of this, some fans believe he is too worn-out as a character and should be removed from the cast. Others believe he has established himself as a permanent character of the main cast, and do not see him being removed from the cast any time in the near future.[/B] <br /> <br /> ...and if you won't do the job, then I will.<br /> <br /> anyways, that's all for now.<br /> <br /> ~~Weedle Mchairybug~~<br /> <br /> Honestly, I don't really give a damn about Brock's bio all that much. Or even this one all that much anymore anyway. Please quit embarassing yourself any further by typing paragraphs about old news that barely anyone cares about. In other words, stuff it.<br /> <br /> And to think, I used to be a big fan of her...<br /> <br /> - PDL<br /> <br /> == Proposal of splitting the article ==<br /> <br /> I've noticed here on the Bulbapedia, other major characters of the anime such as Ash, May and Dawn all have separate articles from their video game counterparts, unlike Misty and Brock. I was thinking that in order to potentially improve consistancy of the articles, that we could split off seperate articles for Misty and Brock's anime incarnations like what is currently in place for Ash, May and Dawn. Thoughts? Like the idea? Hate the idea? Don't care either way? [[User:Sato|Sato]] 15:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Makes sense to me. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 16:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Alright with me. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Don't forget [[Talk:Brock]] has the same discussion... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;TTE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 21:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Does NOT make sense to me. Ash and Red are actually two DIFFERENT characters while Game Misty and Anime Misty are not. More or less important, still the same. And what's wrong with big articles? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::Editing them in old browsers that were released before the millennium started? That whole &quot;greater than 32 KB long&quot; warning and such. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 03:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I'm against this. Misty, aswell as brock, was only a gym leader.. she had a minute-long role in the games and only a paragraphs worth of information. May, Dawn and Red were main characters in the game and thus have alot more information. <br /> Also, Misty and Brock's appearances in the anime only added information such as motivation, goals and pokemon whereas May and Dawn's anime roles contradicted their origional characters. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 02:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Cast Change Contraversy==<br /> <br /> Should this section be moved up nearer the anime one? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 22:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Should this section even exist? I know I was for it before but it sounds like Cybercube's conspiracy theories rather than the actual reality. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> Well, technically that section was my Idea, but i didn't make it its own section. In fact, I thought that something like this should be, if not in the Anime character Bio section, then at least the trivia section. however, someone erased it from the anime section (I think PDL) and moved it to it's own section.<br /> :: there were two copies back then, so I took out the duplicate. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 22:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::ETA: Ah, you're right. It was PDL...<br /> <br /> ::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Misty&amp;diff=232900&amp;oldid=232876] - Removing the duplicate<br /> <br /> ::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Misty&amp;diff=242635&amp;oldid=242435] - PDL creates the section.<br /> <br /> [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 23:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I gave it it's own section since Weedle McHairybug would throw a fit if it was deleted outright. I'm suspecting that he was the one who wrote the paragraph in the first place. - PDL<br /> <br /> : I think he argues for the sake of arguing, so don't worry about him. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 10:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Just so the both of you would know, No, I don't. while I do do that when I'm in a very bad mood, That isn't the case here. Believe me, I truly felt that the cast change controversy should be mentioned in the article.<br /> And also, YES, I am the one who wrote the article in the first place, and the only reason as to why I even made a duplicate of it in both the Anime Bio As well as the Trivia Section is because I felt that, even if one ends up getting erased, it would still live on. <br /> <br /> ~~Weedle_Mchairybug~~<br /> <br /> :It should be under anime. This section is not needed. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : Considering that the anime bio is supposed to be about what happened to Misty in the anime canon, not the effects it has caused in the fandom itself. It has no place in the anime section. - PDL<br /> <br /> Just for the sake of argument, would Weedle_Mchairybug be opposed to a similar paragraph being added to May's page?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 13:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :May's departure wasn't nearly as controversial.<br /> :And as this is about the reaction to the anime, it does belong in the anime section, if anywhere. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> So move it back to where it was, basically? Works for me. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 18:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> well, since you seem to be in favor for the change, I have moved it back into the Anime Bio, I have also taken the liberty of adding a little thing in there that might explain where this Inappropriate stereotype part in regards to May and dawn (not to mention one of the reasons as to why there is a degree of hatred of May and Dawn) came to be. See, I think that some of the Misty Fanbase noticed how those two girls acted under the same stereotype as those girls, and I know that there has to be some people that hate them because of how they act because I'm one of them. if you feel it to be inadequate, then go ahead and erase that little tidbit.<br /> :But the way May and Dawn act has nothing to do with the actual reaction to Misty leaving. And, believe it or not, most of the current fandom ''doesn't'' hate May or Dawn. Most of Misty's fans have got over it - either leaving the fandom or accepting May's presence. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::Ok, the rewritten version is far more neutral. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I guess it's somewhat better now, at least it doesn't have terrible weasel wording in it. - PDL<br /> <br /> == Protection ==<br /> <br /> As requested, I'm gonna protect this. I'll set it to expire in a week. Get whatever mess we have here ironed out. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 16:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Man you guys. You gotta stop making Misty's page protected. Funny part is, that both are kinda ironic. Controversy section's controversy... arguing about the Togepi contest, which was started by an arguement... [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :: It's a bit of a minor thing to go into protect mode over too; which way round to put two paragraphs. All I was trying to do was to intergrate the controversy bit into the article a bit better. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 17:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::: Due to recent events (I.e. SteelBastille's vandalization) I think we may need to put it in protect mode for the time being. I mean, if you haven't noticed, he has been editing messages and implementing them with extremely inappropriate, leud pornographic sentences. And believe me, that's far more serious than the previous two times that we had to initiate protection mode for this article. ~~Weedle_McHairybug~~<br /> <br /> ::::{{u|SteelBastille2003}} is a minor vandal with too much time on his/her hands. That's no reason to protect a page like this. --[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::Well he just totally deleted everything on the page. Maybe it should be protected, but for like 5 days max. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 19:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> I don't think it's needed to protect the page just 'cause a stupid person vandalised it. The protection is not necessary. '''[[User:Haruka uzumaki|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#705898&quot;&gt;うずまき&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#705898&quot;&gt;ハルカ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation I ==<br /> <br /> Is there a sprite of Misty from generation one? --[[User:Dawnfan47|Dawn]][[User Talk:Dawnfan47|fan47]]<br /> :Does one exist? Of course. Do we have one uploaded? No, or it would be in the article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Age? ==<br /> <br /> You probably have a reference for it, but if you can only become a Pokémon trainer at 10, how could Misty (and indeed, other Gym Leaders) become leaders at 10, also? [[User:Bomba22|Bomba22]] 10:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Maybe it was passed down from their parents who were killed in a car accident or by Voldemort or something... &lt;span style=&quot;background:#000000;&quot;&gt;[[User:Crystallucario|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;'''''Crystal'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystallucario|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;'''''Lucario'''''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Child prodigy? Not to mention the fact that she's not ''that'' special despite her title; there's a point where no one is afraid of a level 28 Starmie.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 13:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::She's only ten in the anime and we saw how she got the Gym in that continuity. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] | &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]&lt;/sup&gt; | 14:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Actually, even BEFORE Cerulean Blues, they have stated that Misty was the Gym leader (e.g., Misty: I am a Gym leader, too. I AM THE FOURTH SENSATIONAL SISTER!! -from [[EP007|The Waterflowers of Cerulean City]]), and actually, that line alone made the entire premise of the Hoso episode extremely confusing (It made it seem as though she just became the gym leader for the first time ever even though she said that she was already a Gym Leader in both Waterflowers in Cerulean City AND Mewtwo Returns.<br /> :::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::: No, the point of the Hoso was that various Gyms were being tested to make sure they were up to standard. If the Older Sisters had been in residence, I suspect Cerulean would have been closed. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 17:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> How do we know she was 10 in her debut anyway? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 02:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Misty Outlook==<br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; style=&quot;width: 10em;&quot;<br /> |-<br /> |colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | [[Image:Pokemon - Hoenn - Misty.gif |140px|Misty (Hoenn Series) .]]<br /> |-<br /> !colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot; | '''Misty (Hoenn Series)'''<br /> |-<br /> |''' Class''' || Water Gym Leader<br /> |-<br /> |''' Main PKMN''' || Togepi<br /> |-<br /> |''' Series''' || Advanced Adventures (Cameo)<br /> |-<br /> |''' Birthplace''' || Cerulean City<br /> |-<br /> |''' Episode ''' || <br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> Hello everyone, for a while now, i've been looking on the misty pages and i didn't see this pucture so i though i ask if you would add it. i've been having this picture for a while and i think you'll like it alot, the data can be taken of, it's just for looks, but the screen shot would be best used for an episode explanation rather then a mini article, but using the screen shot with this pic would be good as well.<br /> <br /> So what do you think? I like it, please respond to show you feelings and please add it if i is good enough. in my personal opinion, i loved the hoenn series and when she appeared in different uniform, i was smitten with much happiness ([[User:Gaiden|Gaiden]] 16:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC))<br /> :The picture would be a good addition if it wasn't for the ''really'' bad cropping. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|&lt;/sup&gt; 01:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::And if it weren't a crappy gif. C'mon man, get with the 21st century: use a png. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :At least cite the source of the image. The artist may be Japanese, but it doesn't mean that Bulbapedia should steal it for it's use without mentioning who drew it. - PDL<br /> :::Ok gentlemen, no need to get testy, i wasn't promoting theft of any kind, mind you, most images i submit is from different sources, but never-the-less i would never do anything that would hurt in any way; In this case, i would try to find the website, it doesn't look too bad, not to me anyway, but the picture in question originally came in that format, trust me-you if there was i wouuld present it in that way, that artist as well is somewhat hard to find, i'll see what i can do [[User:Gaiden|Gaiden]] 04:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Misty was in the top 8 in the whirl cup, not top 16. ==<br /> <br /> Sigh, I just finished reverting an edit on Misty being among the top 16 in the whirl cup. She ranked top 8, not top 16.<br /> <br /> First off, Trinity lost to the guy with the Feraligatr, who then became the champion right after beating her. Taking into account that Harrison, after Beating Ash, lost to Dickson, who then became champion, and Ash was ranked among the top 8, that means that Misty actually was ranked among the top 8, not the top 16.<br /> <br /> so please, please, PLEASE don't say it's top 16. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ok, please stop mentioning the interview here. ==<br /> <br /> Ok, I just edited out a blurb about how Misty wasn't returning due to what Masamitsu Hidaka said in the Pokebeach interview, because 1. he's a storyboard artist who makes his living designing backgrounds and certain characters for an episode, and has barely any influence on a storyline in any way shape or form, If it was a writer, or maybe even a VA, then that would DEFINITELY count as a source.<br /> <br /> And besides, he doesn't even work with pokémon anymore (He left the job after Battle Frontier), so his words in regards to future events wouldn't have any corrolation to what the actual writers are thinking. Therefore, I reverted it back to the original edit of the Misty leaving controversy. Now, if you want me to add in that blurb, I'll do so, but only under the condition that I also add in a footnote that, since he no longer works with pokemon, that doesn't necessary mean that it's correct.<br /> <br /> [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Can we have actual rating statistics? ==<br /> <br /> Can someone please provide evidence of the anime's ratings so we can analyze how much of an actual impact Misty's departure had on the series that was not attributed to other factors? [[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 17:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Actually, Misty's departure boosted the anime's ratings (not among mature fans of course). Most of the fans who had either started watching the show from the beginning or the start of Johto had already left due to growing up or the endless fillers. May's creation brought in a new set of children who came to know the show and didn't wonder who Misty was. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 20:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> Honestly, do we even need to bring this up anymore? It's been how many years now? over five? It's only retards like Weedle who moan and bitch about these things... - PDL<br /> :I merely wanted to bring this up to gauge the relative merit of the Misty leaving controversy, and whether its section in the article should be modified accordingly. After all, if it is indeed fans making a mountain out of a molehill (like I suspected), then it is a possibility that it should be pointed out. [[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 02:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Soo.... when will the protection end? ==<br /> <br /> ^topic.<br /> <br /> [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pierced ears... ==<br /> <br /> Which Pokemon Sunday segment mentioned that Misty had Pierced ears? I mean, you know, which airing? I need to know since some people would need to know that question. I'll be sure to edit it into that part of the trivia section (that is, if no one has done it yet, or if it wasn't erased) as soon as I get an answer. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 09:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Don't get what's the big deal. She had some earrings on Pokémon Sunday Intro scene. But I still don't get what's the deal. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Maxim is right. There is no point in keeping that stupid trivia in the article.--'''[[User:Diby|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0;&quot;&gt;D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F08030;&quot;&gt;i&lt;/span&gt;]]'''[[User talk:Diby|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#78C850;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030;&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] 10:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::And even IF that piece of trivia was needed, it wasn't that intro that revealed it. It was [[EP061|The Misty Mermaid]].<br /> [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> ==Quotes==<br /> Why arent her FRLG quotes here?--'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation IV Pokemon ==<br /> <br /> The trivia mentions that Misty is yet to own a Generation IV Pokémon. Does anyone else think it might be worth adding that, if she were to obtain one, it would probably be either Shellos, Gastrodon, Finneon, Lumineon or Mantyke, as these are the only Generation IV Water-type Pokémon that aren't owned by another main character? The other Generation IV Water-types are Buizel and Floatzel, but Ash has one of that evolutionary line; Piplup, Prinplup and Empoleon, but Dawn has one of those; and Manaphy, who is legendary.<br /> In addition, I'd say that the prospect of Misty obtaining a Generation IV Pokémon shortly is quite high, as her appearance in the new High Touch! opening is quite an exciting hint that she could be making a Diamond &amp; Pearl cameo soon. <br /> It is only speculation, so fair enough if it doesn't make it onto the article, but I thought it was an interesting point, at any rate... -Timothy.<br /> :Maybe, but, there's an equal chance that she'll get a pokemon that they'll already have. I mean, May had Squirtle and Bulbasaur, despite those two already being owned by Ash. Heck, even Misty captured a pokemon that also was owned by another main character at one point (ie, Gyarados.). Still, we can't be absolutely sure that she'll be making only a cameo in DP, for all we know, it could mean she's returning to the main cast OR they're going to pull a ''[[Rivals (Opening|Rivals]]''/''[[Spurt]] on us and just make us THINK she's appearing when she really isn't. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :No, and here's why. To suggest anything along the lines of her getting a Gen IV Pokémon and further, being one of those particular ones is way into speculation, which is t be avoided at all costs. Speculation is very bad. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 10:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I definitely see your point(s), but her options for a Generation IV Pokémon are still quite limited: while Misty and other characters, particularly May, have indeed owned Pokémon that have belonged to other trainers, no two trainers have ever owned two of the same Pokémon at the same time. What I mean is that May didn't have Squirtle and Bulbasaur while Ash did (he had deposited them for Hoenn series) and Misty didn't have her Gyarados when James had his (is that who you're referring to?). I think it's fair to say that there is a strong trend of the writers avoiding overlap and repetition to that degree, and according to that trend, Misty is very unlikely to have any of the Buizel or Piplup evolutionary lines, which only leaves three evolutionary lines. I also just noticed that Zoey has both a Shellos and a Finneon, but I don't suspect the writers would mind Misty overlapping with her, as she is a comparatively minor character. Regarding Misty's appearances, while I am very hopeful that Misty will rejoin the main cast eventually, the fact that a new opening sequence has just been aired with Misty still clearly in a minor supporting role suggests that there is still a fair amount of Diamond and Pearl series to come (otherwise, why bother developing a whole new opening?), and so Misty's rejoining with the main cast is probably a while off yet... I for one would be very surprised if they didn't award her a cameo before the series is out; every other character in that grouping in High Touch! has appeared in Diamond and Pearl, so if they continue their trend, we'll be seeing her soon...Of course, this has indeed stooped deep into the realms of the most unreliable speculation, so I wouldn't expect any of this to be included. I'm simply enjoying the discussion :)- Timothy</div>

Timothy https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Misty/Archive_1&diff=504647 2008-10-07T12:00:16Z

<p>Timothy: /* Generation IV Pokemon */</p> <hr /> <div>I can understand the &quot;link each Pokemon once&quot; for a paragraph, but should this also apply to lists of owned Pokemon? I can understand of Misty has two Goldeen, to link only the first of the two in the list, but if there's a list of her anime Pokemon, a list of her Pokeomn in Red and in Gold and in Stadium 1 and Stadium 2 and the card games, and I head straight for the Stadium 2 list, shouldn't Goldeen in that list be linked, even though it make have been linked in a paragraph or the Red/Blue Pokemon list before? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> Good point. Since the sections of the Gym Leaders are so diverse, you might miss a link for each section. Ask Argy or Evkl for their opinions.<br /> <br /> - Zeta<br /> <br /> By the way - we should problably develop a special marker or something for Gym Leader while we're at it. Or at least the leaders that appear in multiple formats - particularly games, manga, AND anime.<br /> <br /> - Zeta<br /> <br /> :Both seem reasonable suggestions to be.--[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 04:40, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> '''At Cerulean Gym'''<br /> Isn't she at Cerulean Gym right now? So wouldn't logic dictate that she actually has those Pokémon on-hand rather than in storage? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 09:32, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Good point, Ferret. As for the other issue, Pokémon should be linked in the lists even if they were previously mentioned in the article. It is reasonable to suspect that some would go right to a specific section rather than read the entire article. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 22:01, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Misty isn't the only main character not to have their parents revealed. What about Tracey? - Kenji-girl<br /> <br /> == About Misty... ==<br /> <br /> Shouldn't it be noteworthy that Mayumi Iizuka mentioned in her blog that Misty might return for the &quot;Diamond and Pearl&quot; anime? I mean, I personally feel that it should be mentioned. Another thing is that even bulbanews somewhat confirmed it, (or, if not, they at least confirmed that Mayumi Iizuka didn't mean specials considering that she actually confirmed the specials thing BEFORE she hinted at Misty making a possible return sometime in the future, and besides which, the 10th anniversary special's first [and only] airing in Japan was on November 11th, 2006, almost 5 months prior to making that announcement on March of 2007.), but then again, I don't run the site.<br /> ::IIRC, that ended up getting interpreted as &quot;I will be doing more specials&quot;. Has anyone seen anything on her blog since? For that matter, is there a link to the entry in question? - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]<br /> I do have a link to this entry: it's [http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/mayumi_blog/archive/2007/3/6|http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/mayumi_blog/archive/2007/3/6], or, for the Bulbanews Translation, it's http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kasumi_to_make_appearance_in_anime.<br /> And speaking of the bulbanews article, it pretty much confirmed the part involving her doing specials. However, the confirmation on her doing specials was, as I said, right BEFORE the hint at Misty's appearance.<br /> :Fixed the links, hope you don't mind. Bulbanews link sadly doesn't seem to have a translation and the original is going to require better translator program than Babelfish. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]<br /> Yeah, when I said the &quot;Bulbanews translation&quot;, I was meaning the lines that said &quot;According to (Insert japanese link here), the blog of voice actress Mayumi Iizuka, Kasumi will be &quot;Navigating&quot;, that is to say, hosting several parts of the first Pokemon 10th anniversary special, which airs on TV Tokyo tonight at 7 pm JST. She hinted at a further appearance sometime in the future.&quot;, since they had to have translated the blog to get this information.<br /> <br /> Ok, I think that i should add in that tidbit in regards to Mayumi Iizuka hinting in her blog that Misty will be appearing in Diamond and Pearl. I mean, If they allowed something that Eric Stuart said in a K-Zone article in regards to Brock's Last Name to be said in the Trivia section of Brocks article, I'm pretty sure they will allow something in regards to Mayumi Iizuka's Blog in regards to Misty here.<br /> :You can try, though someone might take it out again because they think it's 'fanwank'. Make sure to add that no such appearence has happened yet. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]<br /> <br /> == [[EP001]] ==<br /> <br /> Misty appeared in episode one so I'm changing her profile to EP001-AG145 and MMop-present because she has not appeared in the season nine anime<br /> <br /> == Misty's outfit ==<br /> <br /> Do you think you could find a picture of Misty's current outfit and put it below her old outfit<br /> <br /> Of course! [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]]<br /> <br /> == ummm... shouldn't there be a listing of accomplishments/competitions that Misty has been in? ==<br /> <br /> I mean, Why not? I mean, Misty has had her fair share of accomplishments, She competed and was champ in the Queen of the princess festival contest, She competed in the race, she is the champ of the water race in the 5th movie, she ranked 3rd place in the whirl cup, she was champ in the seaking fishing tourney, and many other things that she competed in. I mean, if you gave a list for the accomplishments in non-gyms/leagues/BF battles in ash's page, and accomplishments in Jessie and James' respective pages, you can most certainly allow an accomplishments/competitions list for misty. <br /> <br /> Speaking of Jessie, I also noticed that she didn't have the fact that she ranked 2nd place in the Queen of the Princess festival contest listed under her achievements/competitions page. I mean, what exactly is the matter with that contest? If you were able to reference James winning the Orienteering competition and his ranking 2nd place in the ring-leading tournament in his page, you can most certainly allow the ranking of 2nd place in the queen of the princess festival contest in Jessies page.<br /> <br /> ~~Weedle Mchairybug~~<br /> <br /> :I guess so. But Misty didn't win that water race. It was the guy with the Walmer. And it was the '''5th''' movie. And she was in second place in the Whirl Cup competition. The only thing Misty really one in the series was the Princess competition. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;ケンジ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;ガール&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> wait a minute... I thought the Serebii.net Movie summary said that she actually was the CHAMP of that race... I thought Misty beat Rossi (you know, wailmer man) and I thought she won that medal that tells the legend of the Lati@s and the origin of Alto Mare. Also, didn't trinity beat Misty and yet lose against the guy with the Feraligator? And even if Trinity beat Feraligator man, it still proves that the fight of Misty vs. trinity wasn't the final battle of the tournament. So in that sense, yes she did win 3rd place in the whirl tournament. So really, why NOT mention those 2?<br /> <br /> Aso, I just corrected my Fau Pax in regards to which movie. I did think 5th movie, but I typoed.<br /> :She was top 8 at the Whirl Cup and won the race in movie 5.<br /> :And the simple reason the list isn't there is simply because no one has got round to it yet. That's the way of the wiki - you are welcome to add it yourself. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> &lt;div id=&quot;linkto&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> OK, stop edit warring over the contest in [[EP050]]. Personally, I think it warrents inclusion since it was set up as a tournament but let's ''discuss'' this. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> actually, I eliminated the most recent addition in light of what Kenji_Girl said on her talk Page.<br /> <br /> == Misty's DP appearance ==<br /> <br /> Doesn't anyone believe that Iizuka may have been referring to [[Misty's special lure]] in [[DP034]] rather than Misty herself? I mean that episode came a few weeks after she announced it. I think that's most likely what she was talking about. But that's just me. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;ケンジ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;ガール&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I doubt It, I mean, considering that it was her [B]Voice Actress[/B] who stated it, I don't think so. Now If it was her [B]Animator[/B] who stated it, then, yes, it would have been far more likely.<br /> :Given that it is her voice actress, the chances of it being the Misty lure are really unlikely unless she misunderstood something an animator said to her.<br /> :It is odd that we haven't seen Misty appear since then but ''Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon'' was recorded eight months before the Japanese audience got to see it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Since May just made her guest appearance, I wouldn't count on Misty showing up for a while. I seriously doubt they'll do one right after the other. I think once the gang reaches Cannalave City she'll show up. It is near water and a major port, so it would be a good time for her. She might even travel to Iron Island with them! i hope anyway... but i get the feeling Iizuka did mean the lure. Refering to something over 80 episodes into the seires doesnt seem to likely. I have to go with Kenji-girl one this one. [[User:Hatsumi|Hatsumi]] 23:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)Hatsumi<br /> <br /> :The problem is that Mayumi Iizuka is a VA, I mean, if the blog was written by, oh, I don't know, Misty's concept designer, then, yes, that person WOULD have meant the lure, but this was made by her VA, and since, if she mentions something that points to Misty's return (or at the VERY Least a cameo from her), It would mean a SPEAKING role, which means that the character herself would be the one making the appearance, not the Lure.<br /> <br /> :[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 01:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: I know. im just saying its probably gonna be a while. T_T to bad though. [[User:Hatsumi|Hatsumi]] 01:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Hatsumi<br /> :::I think it's been a bit too long since that blog post was made for it to count now. It would really help to know a little bit of context. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|&lt;/sup&gt; 01:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Wikipedia kept it's source of Aonuma saying in a Press conference with IGN that Ganon will appear in twilight Princess for TWICE As long as this one (there was a 2 year gap between the press conference and the release of TP, 3 years by America's standards, and there was too much controversy in the Zelda Fandom as to whether the Zelda Staff was lying or not, and despite ALL that, until it's release, they kept it in. Heck, they even kept in the statement that Aonuma had released concept designs of Sheik AND Ganondorf as well.) If they were able to do it that long, we should as well.<br /> <br /> ::::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Page locked? ==<br /> <br /> Why is the page locked[[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] 02:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Because of &quot;edit wars&quot;. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;ケンジ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;ガール&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::The edit war was over whether the private tournament in [[EP050]] should be considered a notable achievement for Misty. It was first put in by {{u|Weedle Mchairybug}}, who put it back in a second time after {{u|Kenji-girl}} removed the reference. However, {{u|Shiny Noctowl}} decided it was notable after Kenji-girl removed it the second time and reverted the edit. Kenji-girl removes it a third time, Shiny Noctowl puts it back in again for the fourth time. By this point, Weedle Mchairybug (the original instigator) has given in and makes the fourth removal. Shiny Noctowl does another reversion to put it back in a fifth time. {{u|Fabu-Vinny}} had had enough at this point in time and put the page under protection.<br /> <br /> ::And this isn't the first time Shiny Noctowl's caused controversy. He's been known to defend the notability of articles whose entire premise is not notable and can't be made notable no matter what (such as an article about ROM hacks in general), and he once tried to get the occurences of [[Template:tt]] used for Pokémon in Japanese anime episode titles changed over to [[Template:pt]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :::Why are you completely blaming '''me'''? '''Kenji-Girl''' is the one who '''removed''' the ''completely legitimate and notable'' content. And, as you can see [[Talk:Misty#linkto|here]], Fabu-Vinny, an '''''administrator''''', agrees with me that it should be included. And how would it hurt anyone to include it, anyway? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #221202&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #554535&quot;&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #887868&quot;&gt;i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #BBAB9B&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #EEDECE&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;?&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> God...Stop this...I think the little 'contest' for Togepi is not relevant as it was not official, only Team Rocket and the twoips participated. Everything else is good, so there! [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033&quot;&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366&quot;&gt;g&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#215670&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006699&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D6E89&quot;&gt;t&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0066CC&quot;&gt;#&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Mission|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3D81EE&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Lucario (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66B5FF&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#99C9FF&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Manual of style|&lt;span style=&quot; color:#C3D9FF;&quot;&gt;♂&lt;/span&gt;]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User:Optimus35/Diamond&amp;amp;Pearl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B0E0E6&quot;&gt;D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FFC0CB&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]] | [[User:Optimus35/Emerald|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66FF00;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;]] | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&amp;title=Special%3AContributions&amp;contribs=user&amp;target=Optimus35&amp;namespace=0&amp;year=&amp;month=-1 ☆]&lt;/sup&gt;[[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 13:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :IN OTHER WORDS...Only '''''OFFICIAL''''' tournaments, got it? (We also need to remove for Ash :P) [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033&quot;&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366&quot;&gt;g&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#215670&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006699&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D6E89&quot;&gt;t&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0066CC&quot;&gt;#&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Mission|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3D81EE&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Lucario (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66B5FF&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#99C9FF&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Manual of style|&lt;span style=&quot; color:#C3D9FF;&quot;&gt;♂&lt;/span&gt;]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User:Optimus35/Diamond&amp;amp;Pearl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B0E0E6&quot;&gt;D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FFC0CB&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]] | [[User:Optimus35/Emerald|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66FF00;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;]] | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&amp;title=Special%3AContributions&amp;contribs=user&amp;target=Optimus35&amp;namespace=0&amp;year=&amp;month=-1 ☆]&lt;/sup&gt;[[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 13:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC) And Meowth...and Brock...<br /> <br /> First of all, an administrator agrees with me. Second, since it '''was''' a contest, and '''it caused Misty to get her main Pokémon''', Misty actually '''won''' something. (Okay, actually she got second place, but Togepi didn't like Ash, who won. However, '''that doesn't mean that Misty was guaranteed to get Togepi!''' If Team Rocket had won, they would've kept Togepi for themselves, even if Togepi didn't want to be with Team Rocket. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #221202&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #554535&quot;&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #887868&quot;&gt;i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #BBAB9B&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #EEDECE&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;?&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Can't we just list it as &quot;unnofficial mini-tournament?&quot; And what about that contest where Jessie used Aipom? That was unofficial. Are we striking THAT from record? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 14:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Now we can strike back because that's her only accomplishment. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 19:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ok... Should the fact that Misty's leaving the main cast caused controversy among the fanbase be mentioned in the article? ==<br /> <br /> I mean, I feel it is worth noting as well as the fact that several people want Misty back for various reasons. I mean, If you guys allowed the Buizel article to mention the the huge &quot;Ash's Buizel or Dawn's Buizel&quot; Controversy that was there since the 10th movie poster was unveiled as well as the fact that several fans want Brock axed out and the fans that don't think that Brock could leave now, I think that the whole &quot;Misty Leaving/Bring Back Misty&quot; controversy should recieve a mention, if not in the main anime bio, then at least the trivia section of the article.<br /> :I would actually argue the opposite (that the Buizel Controversy be removed from that page), because when you let one &quot;Controversy Section&quot; remain that isn't really necessary to the article, then you have to let in the others. Would you be just as happy to see a whole &quot;May Leaving/Bring Back May&quot; Controversy section in that article?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 02:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::Misty leaving was a really big issue, though. Certainly far more controversial than the transfer from May to Dawn. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::: Speaking only on this case, I'd say it's worth mentioning. Last I heard, many people stopped watching the show after Misty left and many more formed May Hate Clubs simply because she wasn't Misty. Hell, Cybercubed could probably write a page on it, so a paragraph isn't out of the question. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 11:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> Ok, I edited in the paragraph that mentions the controversy in both the main Anime Bio and the Trivia section, because I thought that even if one gets erased, i can still have the other on there.<br /> ~~Weedle McHairybug~~<br /> <br /> Isn't the purpose of a wiki supposed to be to provide a neutral point of view? Mentioning any controversey would be in direct violation of that. However, I would tolerate it in the trivia section, but it should have no place in the bio. - PDL<br /> <br /> As long as the article doesn't actually take a side, I don't see the problem. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 11:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Ok, PDL, I think that it [the controversy] should be mentioned in this article, also, I should just point out that Brock's article actually referenced a current fanbase controversy in his bio (and, just FYI it's [[Brock#In_The_Anime#Character|Here]] and [[Brock#In_The_Anime#History|Here]]), so I don't think that that part means anything (at least, certainly not in this wiki.) And besides, I'd add it back into the trivia section of the article, but apparantly someone removed it when i posted this Info the first time around. I'll add the info back into the trivia section (much less in the article as a whole) as long as someone doesn't attempt to remove it in the future (yes, that goes for you too, PDL).<br /> <br /> ~~Weedle_McHairybug~~<br /> <br /> Honestly, I don't see why the article even needs to even bring it up. It only seems to make Misty appear to be much more important to the anime then she really was. The anime as a whole hasn't actually suffered now that Misty is no longer a part of the main cast of characters (Save for a few belly-achers... You know who you are... &gt;_&gt;)<br /> <br /> Plus it shouldn't even an issue any longer since it's been nearly 6 years now.<br /> <br /> Anyway, I put it in it's own section since it shouldn't be included in the main bio. I won't delete it, but I still think it's pandering to Misty fans who still complain about Misty not being in the anime.<br /> <br /> - PDL<br /> <br /> Fine then, I don't really care if it is in the Anime section, the Trivia Section, or even it's own section. As long as it is mentioned in the article, it is all right with me. (Though I personally disagree with the whole &quot;Anime hasn't suffered&quot; arguement considering that, before Misty left, It's ratings WORLDWIDE were fairly strong. But AFTER Misty left, the only country that even HAS Decent ratings is Japan, since people very rarely watch the anime anymore, and the Movies are currently being released DTD/DTV, which hints at their low ratings, as well as europe not even getting several of the movies/seasons until at least 4 years have passed in japan, and 3 years here in the USA. Heck, fairly recently, China banned pokemon from its airwaves. If all of these things doesn't constitute as the Anime Suffering, then I don't know WHAT does. But, whatever, It's your opinion.)<br /> <br /> However, Now that you have mentioned it, you've really got some work to do. Since you feel that fan controversies should NEVER be mentioned within an Main Anime Character's Bio, I highly suggest that you delete certain sections in Brock's Anime Bio (or at least move them to the trivia section/it's very own section.) since, believe me, If you read the last sentence of the last paragraph in Brock's Character subsection of his character Bio, you'll notice that the entire thing is swimming with fan complaints among other things. Same deal with the Last few sentences of his History section. Oh, and in case My links didn't work out for you, It's these lines:<br /> <br /> From the Character subsection:<br /> <br /> &quot;His role has always been purely one as support for other main characters, [B]but some fans find this disappointing and want him to take a more active role in the series to make his character more interesting.[/B]&quot; <br /> <br /> From the History section:<br /> <br /> Brock is among the longest-lived main characters in the anime, only being absent from the Orange Islands season and thus ranked under only the permanent characters of Ash, Pikachu, Jessie, James, and Meowth. [B]Because of this, some fans believe he is too worn-out as a character and should be removed from the cast. Others believe he has established himself as a permanent character of the main cast, and do not see him being removed from the cast any time in the near future.[/B] <br /> <br /> ...and if you won't do the job, then I will.<br /> <br /> anyways, that's all for now.<br /> <br /> ~~Weedle Mchairybug~~<br /> <br /> Honestly, I don't really give a damn about Brock's bio all that much. Or even this one all that much anymore anyway. Please quit embarassing yourself any further by typing paragraphs about old news that barely anyone cares about. In other words, stuff it.<br /> <br /> And to think, I used to be a big fan of her...<br /> <br /> - PDL<br /> <br /> == Proposal of splitting the article ==<br /> <br /> I've noticed here on the Bulbapedia, other major characters of the anime such as Ash, May and Dawn all have separate articles from their video game counterparts, unlike Misty and Brock. I was thinking that in order to potentially improve consistancy of the articles, that we could split off seperate articles for Misty and Brock's anime incarnations like what is currently in place for Ash, May and Dawn. Thoughts? Like the idea? Hate the idea? Don't care either way? [[User:Sato|Sato]] 15:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Makes sense to me. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 16:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Alright with me. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Don't forget [[Talk:Brock]] has the same discussion... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;TTE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 21:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Does NOT make sense to me. Ash and Red are actually two DIFFERENT characters while Game Misty and Anime Misty are not. More or less important, still the same. And what's wrong with big articles? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::Editing them in old browsers that were released before the millennium started? That whole &quot;greater than 32 KB long&quot; warning and such. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 03:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I'm against this. Misty, aswell as brock, was only a gym leader.. she had a minute-long role in the games and only a paragraphs worth of information. May, Dawn and Red were main characters in the game and thus have alot more information. <br /> Also, Misty and Brock's appearances in the anime only added information such as motivation, goals and pokemon whereas May and Dawn's anime roles contradicted their origional characters. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 02:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Cast Change Contraversy==<br /> <br /> Should this section be moved up nearer the anime one? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 22:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Should this section even exist? I know I was for it before but it sounds like Cybercube's conspiracy theories rather than the actual reality. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> Well, technically that section was my Idea, but i didn't make it its own section. In fact, I thought that something like this should be, if not in the Anime character Bio section, then at least the trivia section. however, someone erased it from the anime section (I think PDL) and moved it to it's own section.<br /> :: there were two copies back then, so I took out the duplicate. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 22:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::ETA: Ah, you're right. It was PDL...<br /> <br /> ::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Misty&amp;diff=232900&amp;oldid=232876] - Removing the duplicate<br /> <br /> ::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Misty&amp;diff=242635&amp;oldid=242435] - PDL creates the section.<br /> <br /> [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 23:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I gave it it's own section since Weedle McHairybug would throw a fit if it was deleted outright. I'm suspecting that he was the one who wrote the paragraph in the first place. - PDL<br /> <br /> : I think he argues for the sake of arguing, so don't worry about him. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 10:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Just so the both of you would know, No, I don't. while I do do that when I'm in a very bad mood, That isn't the case here. Believe me, I truly felt that the cast change controversy should be mentioned in the article.<br /> And also, YES, I am the one who wrote the article in the first place, and the only reason as to why I even made a duplicate of it in both the Anime Bio As well as the Trivia Section is because I felt that, even if one ends up getting erased, it would still live on. <br /> <br /> ~~Weedle_Mchairybug~~<br /> <br /> :It should be under anime. This section is not needed. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : Considering that the anime bio is supposed to be about what happened to Misty in the anime canon, not the effects it has caused in the fandom itself. It has no place in the anime section. - PDL<br /> <br /> Just for the sake of argument, would Weedle_Mchairybug be opposed to a similar paragraph being added to May's page?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 13:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :May's departure wasn't nearly as controversial.<br /> :And as this is about the reaction to the anime, it does belong in the anime section, if anywhere. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> So move it back to where it was, basically? Works for me. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 18:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> well, since you seem to be in favor for the change, I have moved it back into the Anime Bio, I have also taken the liberty of adding a little thing in there that might explain where this Inappropriate stereotype part in regards to May and dawn (not to mention one of the reasons as to why there is a degree of hatred of May and Dawn) came to be. See, I think that some of the Misty Fanbase noticed how those two girls acted under the same stereotype as those girls, and I know that there has to be some people that hate them because of how they act because I'm one of them. if you feel it to be inadequate, then go ahead and erase that little tidbit.<br /> :But the way May and Dawn act has nothing to do with the actual reaction to Misty leaving. And, believe it or not, most of the current fandom ''doesn't'' hate May or Dawn. Most of Misty's fans have got over it - either leaving the fandom or accepting May's presence. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::Ok, the rewritten version is far more neutral. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I guess it's somewhat better now, at least it doesn't have terrible weasel wording in it. - PDL<br /> <br /> == Protection ==<br /> <br /> As requested, I'm gonna protect this. I'll set it to expire in a week. Get whatever mess we have here ironed out. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 16:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Man you guys. You gotta stop making Misty's page protected. Funny part is, that both are kinda ironic. Controversy section's controversy... arguing about the Togepi contest, which was started by an arguement... [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :: It's a bit of a minor thing to go into protect mode over too; which way round to put two paragraphs. All I was trying to do was to intergrate the controversy bit into the article a bit better. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 17:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::: Due to recent events (I.e. SteelBastille's vandalization) I think we may need to put it in protect mode for the time being. I mean, if you haven't noticed, he has been editing messages and implementing them with extremely inappropriate, leud pornographic sentences. And believe me, that's far more serious than the previous two times that we had to initiate protection mode for this article. ~~Weedle_McHairybug~~<br /> <br /> ::::{{u|SteelBastille2003}} is a minor vandal with too much time on his/her hands. That's no reason to protect a page like this. --[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::Well he just totally deleted everything on the page. Maybe it should be protected, but for like 5 days max. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 19:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> I don't think it's needed to protect the page just 'cause a stupid person vandalised it. The protection is not necessary. '''[[User:Haruka uzumaki|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#705898&quot;&gt;うずまき&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#705898&quot;&gt;ハルカ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation I ==<br /> <br /> Is there a sprite of Misty from generation one? --[[User:Dawnfan47|Dawn]][[User Talk:Dawnfan47|fan47]]<br /> :Does one exist? Of course. Do we have one uploaded? No, or it would be in the article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Age? ==<br /> <br /> You probably have a reference for it, but if you can only become a Pokémon trainer at 10, how could Misty (and indeed, other Gym Leaders) become leaders at 10, also? [[User:Bomba22|Bomba22]] 10:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Maybe it was passed down from their parents who were killed in a car accident or by Voldemort or something... &lt;span style=&quot;background:#000000;&quot;&gt;[[User:Crystallucario|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;'''''Crystal'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystallucario|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;'''''Lucario'''''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Child prodigy? Not to mention the fact that she's not ''that'' special despite her title; there's a point where no one is afraid of a level 28 Starmie.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 13:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::She's only ten in the anime and we saw how she got the Gym in that continuity. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] | &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]&lt;/sup&gt; | 14:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Actually, even BEFORE Cerulean Blues, they have stated that Misty was the Gym leader (e.g., Misty: I am a Gym leader, too. I AM THE FOURTH SENSATIONAL SISTER!! -from [[EP007|The Waterflowers of Cerulean City]]), and actually, that line alone made the entire premise of the Hoso episode extremely confusing (It made it seem as though she just became the gym leader for the first time ever even though she said that she was already a Gym Leader in both Waterflowers in Cerulean City AND Mewtwo Returns.<br /> :::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::: No, the point of the Hoso was that various Gyms were being tested to make sure they were up to standard. If the Older Sisters had been in residence, I suspect Cerulean would have been closed. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 17:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> How do we know she was 10 in her debut anyway? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 02:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Misty Outlook==<br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; style=&quot;width: 10em;&quot;<br /> |-<br /> |colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | [[Image:Pokemon - Hoenn - Misty.gif |140px|Misty (Hoenn Series) .]]<br /> |-<br /> !colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot; | '''Misty (Hoenn Series)'''<br /> |-<br /> |''' Class''' || Water Gym Leader<br /> |-<br /> |''' Main PKMN''' || Togepi<br /> |-<br /> |''' Series''' || Advanced Adventures (Cameo)<br /> |-<br /> |''' Birthplace''' || Cerulean City<br /> |-<br /> |''' Episode ''' || <br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> Hello everyone, for a while now, i've been looking on the misty pages and i didn't see this pucture so i though i ask if you would add it. i've been having this picture for a while and i think you'll like it alot, the data can be taken of, it's just for looks, but the screen shot would be best used for an episode explanation rather then a mini article, but using the screen shot with this pic would be good as well.<br /> <br /> So what do you think? I like it, please respond to show you feelings and please add it if i is good enough. in my personal opinion, i loved the hoenn series and when she appeared in different uniform, i was smitten with much happiness ([[User:Gaiden|Gaiden]] 16:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC))<br /> :The picture would be a good addition if it wasn't for the ''really'' bad cropping. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|&lt;/sup&gt; 01:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::And if it weren't a crappy gif. C'mon man, get with the 21st century: use a png. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :At least cite the source of the image. The artist may be Japanese, but it doesn't mean that Bulbapedia should steal it for it's use without mentioning who drew it. - PDL<br /> :::Ok gentlemen, no need to get testy, i wasn't promoting theft of any kind, mind you, most images i submit is from different sources, but never-the-less i would never do anything that would hurt in any way; In this case, i would try to find the website, it doesn't look too bad, not to me anyway, but the picture in question originally came in that format, trust me-you if there was i wouuld present it in that way, that artist as well is somewhat hard to find, i'll see what i can do [[User:Gaiden|Gaiden]] 04:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Misty was in the top 8 in the whirl cup, not top 16. ==<br /> <br /> Sigh, I just finished reverting an edit on Misty being among the top 16 in the whirl cup. She ranked top 8, not top 16.<br /> <br /> First off, Trinity lost to the guy with the Feraligatr, who then became the champion right after beating her. Taking into account that Harrison, after Beating Ash, lost to Dickson, who then became champion, and Ash was ranked among the top 8, that means that Misty actually was ranked among the top 8, not the top 16.<br /> <br /> so please, please, PLEASE don't say it's top 16. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ok, please stop mentioning the interview here. ==<br /> <br /> Ok, I just edited out a blurb about how Misty wasn't returning due to what Masamitsu Hidaka said in the Pokebeach interview, because 1. he's a storyboard artist who makes his living designing backgrounds and certain characters for an episode, and has barely any influence on a storyline in any way shape or form, If it was a writer, or maybe even a VA, then that would DEFINITELY count as a source.<br /> <br /> And besides, he doesn't even work with pokémon anymore (He left the job after Battle Frontier), so his words in regards to future events wouldn't have any corrolation to what the actual writers are thinking. Therefore, I reverted it back to the original edit of the Misty leaving controversy. Now, if you want me to add in that blurb, I'll do so, but only under the condition that I also add in a footnote that, since he no longer works with pokemon, that doesn't necessary mean that it's correct.<br /> <br /> [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Can we have actual rating statistics? ==<br /> <br /> Can someone please provide evidence of the anime's ratings so we can analyze how much of an actual impact Misty's departure had on the series that was not attributed to other factors? [[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 17:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Actually, Misty's departure boosted the anime's ratings (not among mature fans of course). Most of the fans who had either started watching the show from the beginning or the start of Johto had already left due to growing up or the endless fillers. May's creation brought in a new set of children who came to know the show and didn't wonder who Misty was. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 20:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> Honestly, do we even need to bring this up anymore? It's been how many years now? over five? It's only retards like Weedle who moan and bitch about these things... - PDL<br /> :I merely wanted to bring this up to gauge the relative merit of the Misty leaving controversy, and whether its section in the article should be modified accordingly. After all, if it is indeed fans making a mountain out of a molehill (like I suspected), then it is a possibility that it should be pointed out. [[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 02:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Soo.... when will the protection end? ==<br /> <br /> ^topic.<br /> <br /> [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pierced ears... ==<br /> <br /> Which Pokemon Sunday segment mentioned that Misty had Pierced ears? I mean, you know, which airing? I need to know since some people would need to know that question. I'll be sure to edit it into that part of the trivia section (that is, if no one has done it yet, or if it wasn't erased) as soon as I get an answer. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 09:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Don't get what's the big deal. She had some earrings on Pokémon Sunday Intro scene. But I still don't get what's the deal. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Maxim is right. There is no point in keeping that stupid trivia in the article.--'''[[User:Diby|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0;&quot;&gt;D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F08030;&quot;&gt;i&lt;/span&gt;]]'''[[User talk:Diby|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#78C850;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030;&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] 10:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::And even IF that piece of trivia was needed, it wasn't that intro that revealed it. It was [[EP061|The Misty Mermaid]].<br /> [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> ==Quotes==<br /> Why arent her FRLG quotes here?--'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation IV Pokemon ==<br /> <br /> The trivia mentions that Misty is yet to own a Generation IV Pokémon. Does anyone else think it might be worth adding that, if she were to obtain one, it would probably be either Shellos, Gastrodon, Finneon, Lumineon or Mantyke, as these are the only Generation IV Water-type Pokémon that aren't owned by another main character? The other Generation IV Water-types are Buizel and Floatzel, but Ash has one of that evolutionary line; Piplup, Prinplup and Empoleon, but Dawn has one of those; and Manaphy, who is legendary.<br /> In addition, I'd say that the prospect of Misty obtaining a Generation IV Pokémon shortly is quite high, as her appearance in the new High Touch! opening is quite an exciting hint that she could be making a Diamond &amp; Pearl cameo soon. <br /> It is only speculation, so fair enough if it doesn't make it onto the article, but I thought it was an interesting point, at any rate... -Timothy.<br /> :Maybe, but, there's an equal chance that she'll get a pokemon that they'll already have. I mean, May had Squirtle and Bulbasaur, despite those two already being owned by Ash. Heck, even Misty captured a pokemon that also was owned by another main character at one point (ie, Gyarados.). Still, we can't be absolutely sure that she'll be making only a cameo in DP, for all we know, it could mean she's returning to the main cast OR they're going to pull a ''[[Rivals (Opening|Rivals]]''/''[[Spurt]] on us and just make us THINK she's appearing when she really isn't. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :No, and here's why. To suggest anything along the lines of her getting a Gen IV Pokémon and further, being one of those particular ones is way into speculation, which is t be avoided at all costs. Speculation is very bad. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 10:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I definitely see your point(s), but her options for a Generation IV Pokémon are still quite limited: while Misty and other characters, particularly May, have indeed owned Pokémon that have belonged to other trainers, no two trainers have ever owned two of the same Pokémon at the same time. What I mean is that May didn't have Squirtle and Bulbasaur while Ash did (he had deposited them for Hoenn series) and Misty didn't have her Gyarados when James had his (is that who you're referring to?). I think it's fair to say that there is a strong trend of the writers avoiding overlap and repetition to that degree, and according to that trend, Misty is very unlikely to have any of the Buizel or Piplup evolutionary lines, which only leaves three evolutionary lines. I also just noticed that Zoey has both a Shellos and a Finneon, but I don't suspect the writers would mind Misty overlapping with her, as she is a comparatively minor character. <br /> Regarding Misty's appearances, while I am very hopeful that Misty will rejoin the main cast eventually, the fact that a new opening sequence has just been aired with Misty still clearly in a minor supporting role suggests that there is still a fair amount of Diamond and Pearl series to come (otherwise, why bother developing a whole new opening?), and so Misty's rejoining with the main cast is probably a while off yet... I for one would be very surprised if they didn't award her a cameo before the series is out; every other character in that grouping in High Touch! has appeared in Diamond and Pearl, so if they continue their trend, we'll be seeing her soon...<br /> Of course, this has indeed stooped deep into the realms of the most unreliable speculation, so I wouldn't expect any of this to be included. I'm simply enjoying the discussion :)- Timothy</div>

Timothy https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Misty/Archive_1&diff=504646 2008-10-07T11:59:33Z

<p>Timothy: /* Generation IV Pokemon */</p> <hr /> <div>I can understand the &quot;link each Pokemon once&quot; for a paragraph, but should this also apply to lists of owned Pokemon? I can understand of Misty has two Goldeen, to link only the first of the two in the list, but if there's a list of her anime Pokemon, a list of her Pokeomn in Red and in Gold and in Stadium 1 and Stadium 2 and the card games, and I head straight for the Stadium 2 list, shouldn't Goldeen in that list be linked, even though it make have been linked in a paragraph or the Red/Blue Pokemon list before? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> Good point. Since the sections of the Gym Leaders are so diverse, you might miss a link for each section. Ask Argy or Evkl for their opinions.<br /> <br /> - Zeta<br /> <br /> By the way - we should problably develop a special marker or something for Gym Leader while we're at it. Or at least the leaders that appear in multiple formats - particularly games, manga, AND anime.<br /> <br /> - Zeta<br /> <br /> :Both seem reasonable suggestions to be.--[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 04:40, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> '''At Cerulean Gym'''<br /> Isn't she at Cerulean Gym right now? So wouldn't logic dictate that she actually has those Pokémon on-hand rather than in storage? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 09:32, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Good point, Ferret. As for the other issue, Pokémon should be linked in the lists even if they were previously mentioned in the article. It is reasonable to suspect that some would go right to a specific section rather than read the entire article. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 22:01, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Misty isn't the only main character not to have their parents revealed. What about Tracey? - Kenji-girl<br /> <br /> == About Misty... ==<br /> <br /> Shouldn't it be noteworthy that Mayumi Iizuka mentioned in her blog that Misty might return for the &quot;Diamond and Pearl&quot; anime? I mean, I personally feel that it should be mentioned. Another thing is that even bulbanews somewhat confirmed it, (or, if not, they at least confirmed that Mayumi Iizuka didn't mean specials considering that she actually confirmed the specials thing BEFORE she hinted at Misty making a possible return sometime in the future, and besides which, the 10th anniversary special's first [and only] airing in Japan was on November 11th, 2006, almost 5 months prior to making that announcement on March of 2007.), but then again, I don't run the site.<br /> ::IIRC, that ended up getting interpreted as &quot;I will be doing more specials&quot;. Has anyone seen anything on her blog since? For that matter, is there a link to the entry in question? - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]<br /> I do have a link to this entry: it's [http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/mayumi_blog/archive/2007/3/6|http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/mayumi_blog/archive/2007/3/6], or, for the Bulbanews Translation, it's http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kasumi_to_make_appearance_in_anime.<br /> And speaking of the bulbanews article, it pretty much confirmed the part involving her doing specials. However, the confirmation on her doing specials was, as I said, right BEFORE the hint at Misty's appearance.<br /> :Fixed the links, hope you don't mind. Bulbanews link sadly doesn't seem to have a translation and the original is going to require better translator program than Babelfish. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]<br /> Yeah, when I said the &quot;Bulbanews translation&quot;, I was meaning the lines that said &quot;According to (Insert japanese link here), the blog of voice actress Mayumi Iizuka, Kasumi will be &quot;Navigating&quot;, that is to say, hosting several parts of the first Pokemon 10th anniversary special, which airs on TV Tokyo tonight at 7 pm JST. She hinted at a further appearance sometime in the future.&quot;, since they had to have translated the blog to get this information.<br /> <br /> Ok, I think that i should add in that tidbit in regards to Mayumi Iizuka hinting in her blog that Misty will be appearing in Diamond and Pearl. I mean, If they allowed something that Eric Stuart said in a K-Zone article in regards to Brock's Last Name to be said in the Trivia section of Brocks article, I'm pretty sure they will allow something in regards to Mayumi Iizuka's Blog in regards to Misty here.<br /> :You can try, though someone might take it out again because they think it's 'fanwank'. Make sure to add that no such appearence has happened yet. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]<br /> <br /> == [[EP001]] ==<br /> <br /> Misty appeared in episode one so I'm changing her profile to EP001-AG145 and MMop-present because she has not appeared in the season nine anime<br /> <br /> == Misty's outfit ==<br /> <br /> Do you think you could find a picture of Misty's current outfit and put it below her old outfit<br /> <br /> Of course! [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]]<br /> <br /> == ummm... shouldn't there be a listing of accomplishments/competitions that Misty has been in? ==<br /> <br /> I mean, Why not? I mean, Misty has had her fair share of accomplishments, She competed and was champ in the Queen of the princess festival contest, She competed in the race, she is the champ of the water race in the 5th movie, she ranked 3rd place in the whirl cup, she was champ in the seaking fishing tourney, and many other things that she competed in. I mean, if you gave a list for the accomplishments in non-gyms/leagues/BF battles in ash's page, and accomplishments in Jessie and James' respective pages, you can most certainly allow an accomplishments/competitions list for misty. <br /> <br /> Speaking of Jessie, I also noticed that she didn't have the fact that she ranked 2nd place in the Queen of the Princess festival contest listed under her achievements/competitions page. I mean, what exactly is the matter with that contest? If you were able to reference James winning the Orienteering competition and his ranking 2nd place in the ring-leading tournament in his page, you can most certainly allow the ranking of 2nd place in the queen of the princess festival contest in Jessies page.<br /> <br /> ~~Weedle Mchairybug~~<br /> <br /> :I guess so. But Misty didn't win that water race. It was the guy with the Walmer. And it was the '''5th''' movie. And she was in second place in the Whirl Cup competition. The only thing Misty really one in the series was the Princess competition. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;ケンジ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;ガール&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> wait a minute... I thought the Serebii.net Movie summary said that she actually was the CHAMP of that race... I thought Misty beat Rossi (you know, wailmer man) and I thought she won that medal that tells the legend of the Lati@s and the origin of Alto Mare. Also, didn't trinity beat Misty and yet lose against the guy with the Feraligator? And even if Trinity beat Feraligator man, it still proves that the fight of Misty vs. trinity wasn't the final battle of the tournament. So in that sense, yes she did win 3rd place in the whirl tournament. So really, why NOT mention those 2?<br /> <br /> Aso, I just corrected my Fau Pax in regards to which movie. I did think 5th movie, but I typoed.<br /> :She was top 8 at the Whirl Cup and won the race in movie 5.<br /> :And the simple reason the list isn't there is simply because no one has got round to it yet. That's the way of the wiki - you are welcome to add it yourself. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> &lt;div id=&quot;linkto&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> OK, stop edit warring over the contest in [[EP050]]. Personally, I think it warrents inclusion since it was set up as a tournament but let's ''discuss'' this. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> actually, I eliminated the most recent addition in light of what Kenji_Girl said on her talk Page.<br /> <br /> == Misty's DP appearance ==<br /> <br /> Doesn't anyone believe that Iizuka may have been referring to [[Misty's special lure]] in [[DP034]] rather than Misty herself? I mean that episode came a few weeks after she announced it. I think that's most likely what she was talking about. But that's just me. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;ケンジ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;ガール&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I doubt It, I mean, considering that it was her [B]Voice Actress[/B] who stated it, I don't think so. Now If it was her [B]Animator[/B] who stated it, then, yes, it would have been far more likely.<br /> :Given that it is her voice actress, the chances of it being the Misty lure are really unlikely unless she misunderstood something an animator said to her.<br /> :It is odd that we haven't seen Misty appear since then but ''Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon'' was recorded eight months before the Japanese audience got to see it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Since May just made her guest appearance, I wouldn't count on Misty showing up for a while. I seriously doubt they'll do one right after the other. I think once the gang reaches Cannalave City she'll show up. It is near water and a major port, so it would be a good time for her. She might even travel to Iron Island with them! i hope anyway... but i get the feeling Iizuka did mean the lure. Refering to something over 80 episodes into the seires doesnt seem to likely. I have to go with Kenji-girl one this one. [[User:Hatsumi|Hatsumi]] 23:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)Hatsumi<br /> <br /> :The problem is that Mayumi Iizuka is a VA, I mean, if the blog was written by, oh, I don't know, Misty's concept designer, then, yes, that person WOULD have meant the lure, but this was made by her VA, and since, if she mentions something that points to Misty's return (or at the VERY Least a cameo from her), It would mean a SPEAKING role, which means that the character herself would be the one making the appearance, not the Lure.<br /> <br /> :[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 01:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: I know. im just saying its probably gonna be a while. T_T to bad though. [[User:Hatsumi|Hatsumi]] 01:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Hatsumi<br /> :::I think it's been a bit too long since that blog post was made for it to count now. It would really help to know a little bit of context. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|&lt;/sup&gt; 01:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Wikipedia kept it's source of Aonuma saying in a Press conference with IGN that Ganon will appear in twilight Princess for TWICE As long as this one (there was a 2 year gap between the press conference and the release of TP, 3 years by America's standards, and there was too much controversy in the Zelda Fandom as to whether the Zelda Staff was lying or not, and despite ALL that, until it's release, they kept it in. Heck, they even kept in the statement that Aonuma had released concept designs of Sheik AND Ganondorf as well.) If they were able to do it that long, we should as well.<br /> <br /> ::::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Page locked? ==<br /> <br /> Why is the page locked[[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] 02:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Because of &quot;edit wars&quot;. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;ケンジ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;ガール&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::The edit war was over whether the private tournament in [[EP050]] should be considered a notable achievement for Misty. It was first put in by {{u|Weedle Mchairybug}}, who put it back in a second time after {{u|Kenji-girl}} removed the reference. However, {{u|Shiny Noctowl}} decided it was notable after Kenji-girl removed it the second time and reverted the edit. Kenji-girl removes it a third time, Shiny Noctowl puts it back in again for the fourth time. By this point, Weedle Mchairybug (the original instigator) has given in and makes the fourth removal. Shiny Noctowl does another reversion to put it back in a fifth time. {{u|Fabu-Vinny}} had had enough at this point in time and put the page under protection.<br /> <br /> ::And this isn't the first time Shiny Noctowl's caused controversy. He's been known to defend the notability of articles whose entire premise is not notable and can't be made notable no matter what (such as an article about ROM hacks in general), and he once tried to get the occurences of [[Template:tt]] used for Pokémon in Japanese anime episode titles changed over to [[Template:pt]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :::Why are you completely blaming '''me'''? '''Kenji-Girl''' is the one who '''removed''' the ''completely legitimate and notable'' content. And, as you can see [[Talk:Misty#linkto|here]], Fabu-Vinny, an '''''administrator''''', agrees with me that it should be included. And how would it hurt anyone to include it, anyway? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #221202&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #554535&quot;&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #887868&quot;&gt;i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #BBAB9B&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #EEDECE&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;?&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> God...Stop this...I think the little 'contest' for Togepi is not relevant as it was not official, only Team Rocket and the twoips participated. Everything else is good, so there! [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033&quot;&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366&quot;&gt;g&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#215670&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006699&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D6E89&quot;&gt;t&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0066CC&quot;&gt;#&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Mission|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3D81EE&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Lucario (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66B5FF&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#99C9FF&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Manual of style|&lt;span style=&quot; color:#C3D9FF;&quot;&gt;♂&lt;/span&gt;]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User:Optimus35/Diamond&amp;amp;Pearl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B0E0E6&quot;&gt;D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FFC0CB&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]] | [[User:Optimus35/Emerald|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66FF00;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;]] | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&amp;title=Special%3AContributions&amp;contribs=user&amp;target=Optimus35&amp;namespace=0&amp;year=&amp;month=-1 ☆]&lt;/sup&gt;[[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 13:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :IN OTHER WORDS...Only '''''OFFICIAL''''' tournaments, got it? (We also need to remove for Ash :P) [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033&quot;&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366&quot;&gt;g&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#215670&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006699&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D6E89&quot;&gt;t&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0066CC&quot;&gt;#&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Mission|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3D81EE&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Lucario (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66B5FF&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#99C9FF&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Manual of style|&lt;span style=&quot; color:#C3D9FF;&quot;&gt;♂&lt;/span&gt;]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User:Optimus35/Diamond&amp;amp;Pearl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B0E0E6&quot;&gt;D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FFC0CB&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]] | [[User:Optimus35/Emerald|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66FF00;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;]] | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&amp;title=Special%3AContributions&amp;contribs=user&amp;target=Optimus35&amp;namespace=0&amp;year=&amp;month=-1 ☆]&lt;/sup&gt;[[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 13:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC) And Meowth...and Brock...<br /> <br /> First of all, an administrator agrees with me. Second, since it '''was''' a contest, and '''it caused Misty to get her main Pokémon''', Misty actually '''won''' something. (Okay, actually she got second place, but Togepi didn't like Ash, who won. However, '''that doesn't mean that Misty was guaranteed to get Togepi!''' If Team Rocket had won, they would've kept Togepi for themselves, even if Togepi didn't want to be with Team Rocket. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #221202&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #554535&quot;&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #887868&quot;&gt;i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #BBAB9B&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #EEDECE&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;?&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Can't we just list it as &quot;unnofficial mini-tournament?&quot; And what about that contest where Jessie used Aipom? That was unofficial. Are we striking THAT from record? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 14:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Now we can strike back because that's her only accomplishment. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 19:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ok... Should the fact that Misty's leaving the main cast caused controversy among the fanbase be mentioned in the article? ==<br /> <br /> I mean, I feel it is worth noting as well as the fact that several people want Misty back for various reasons. I mean, If you guys allowed the Buizel article to mention the the huge &quot;Ash's Buizel or Dawn's Buizel&quot; Controversy that was there since the 10th movie poster was unveiled as well as the fact that several fans want Brock axed out and the fans that don't think that Brock could leave now, I think that the whole &quot;Misty Leaving/Bring Back Misty&quot; controversy should recieve a mention, if not in the main anime bio, then at least the trivia section of the article.<br /> :I would actually argue the opposite (that the Buizel Controversy be removed from that page), because when you let one &quot;Controversy Section&quot; remain that isn't really necessary to the article, then you have to let in the others. Would you be just as happy to see a whole &quot;May Leaving/Bring Back May&quot; Controversy section in that article?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 02:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::Misty leaving was a really big issue, though. Certainly far more controversial than the transfer from May to Dawn. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::: Speaking only on this case, I'd say it's worth mentioning. Last I heard, many people stopped watching the show after Misty left and many more formed May Hate Clubs simply because she wasn't Misty. Hell, Cybercubed could probably write a page on it, so a paragraph isn't out of the question. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 11:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> Ok, I edited in the paragraph that mentions the controversy in both the main Anime Bio and the Trivia section, because I thought that even if one gets erased, i can still have the other on there.<br /> ~~Weedle McHairybug~~<br /> <br /> Isn't the purpose of a wiki supposed to be to provide a neutral point of view? Mentioning any controversey would be in direct violation of that. However, I would tolerate it in the trivia section, but it should have no place in the bio. - PDL<br /> <br /> As long as the article doesn't actually take a side, I don't see the problem. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 11:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Ok, PDL, I think that it [the controversy] should be mentioned in this article, also, I should just point out that Brock's article actually referenced a current fanbase controversy in his bio (and, just FYI it's [[Brock#In_The_Anime#Character|Here]] and [[Brock#In_The_Anime#History|Here]]), so I don't think that that part means anything (at least, certainly not in this wiki.) And besides, I'd add it back into the trivia section of the article, but apparantly someone removed it when i posted this Info the first time around. I'll add the info back into the trivia section (much less in the article as a whole) as long as someone doesn't attempt to remove it in the future (yes, that goes for you too, PDL).<br /> <br /> ~~Weedle_McHairybug~~<br /> <br /> Honestly, I don't see why the article even needs to even bring it up. It only seems to make Misty appear to be much more important to the anime then she really was. The anime as a whole hasn't actually suffered now that Misty is no longer a part of the main cast of characters (Save for a few belly-achers... You know who you are... &gt;_&gt;)<br /> <br /> Plus it shouldn't even an issue any longer since it's been nearly 6 years now.<br /> <br /> Anyway, I put it in it's own section since it shouldn't be included in the main bio. I won't delete it, but I still think it's pandering to Misty fans who still complain about Misty not being in the anime.<br /> <br /> - PDL<br /> <br /> Fine then, I don't really care if it is in the Anime section, the Trivia Section, or even it's own section. As long as it is mentioned in the article, it is all right with me. (Though I personally disagree with the whole &quot;Anime hasn't suffered&quot; arguement considering that, before Misty left, It's ratings WORLDWIDE were fairly strong. But AFTER Misty left, the only country that even HAS Decent ratings is Japan, since people very rarely watch the anime anymore, and the Movies are currently being released DTD/DTV, which hints at their low ratings, as well as europe not even getting several of the movies/seasons until at least 4 years have passed in japan, and 3 years here in the USA. Heck, fairly recently, China banned pokemon from its airwaves. If all of these things doesn't constitute as the Anime Suffering, then I don't know WHAT does. But, whatever, It's your opinion.)<br /> <br /> However, Now that you have mentioned it, you've really got some work to do. Since you feel that fan controversies should NEVER be mentioned within an Main Anime Character's Bio, I highly suggest that you delete certain sections in Brock's Anime Bio (or at least move them to the trivia section/it's very own section.) since, believe me, If you read the last sentence of the last paragraph in Brock's Character subsection of his character Bio, you'll notice that the entire thing is swimming with fan complaints among other things. Same deal with the Last few sentences of his History section. Oh, and in case My links didn't work out for you, It's these lines:<br /> <br /> From the Character subsection:<br /> <br /> &quot;His role has always been purely one as support for other main characters, [B]but some fans find this disappointing and want him to take a more active role in the series to make his character more interesting.[/B]&quot; <br /> <br /> From the History section:<br /> <br /> Brock is among the longest-lived main characters in the anime, only being absent from the Orange Islands season and thus ranked under only the permanent characters of Ash, Pikachu, Jessie, James, and Meowth. [B]Because of this, some fans believe he is too worn-out as a character and should be removed from the cast. Others believe he has established himself as a permanent character of the main cast, and do not see him being removed from the cast any time in the near future.[/B] <br /> <br /> ...and if you won't do the job, then I will.<br /> <br /> anyways, that's all for now.<br /> <br /> ~~Weedle Mchairybug~~<br /> <br /> Honestly, I don't really give a damn about Brock's bio all that much. Or even this one all that much anymore anyway. Please quit embarassing yourself any further by typing paragraphs about old news that barely anyone cares about. In other words, stuff it.<br /> <br /> And to think, I used to be a big fan of her...<br /> <br /> - PDL<br /> <br /> == Proposal of splitting the article ==<br /> <br /> I've noticed here on the Bulbapedia, other major characters of the anime such as Ash, May and Dawn all have separate articles from their video game counterparts, unlike Misty and Brock. I was thinking that in order to potentially improve consistancy of the articles, that we could split off seperate articles for Misty and Brock's anime incarnations like what is currently in place for Ash, May and Dawn. Thoughts? Like the idea? Hate the idea? Don't care either way? [[User:Sato|Sato]] 15:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Makes sense to me. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 16:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Alright with me. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Don't forget [[Talk:Brock]] has the same discussion... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;TTE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 21:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Does NOT make sense to me. Ash and Red are actually two DIFFERENT characters while Game Misty and Anime Misty are not. More or less important, still the same. And what's wrong with big articles? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::Editing them in old browsers that were released before the millennium started? That whole &quot;greater than 32 KB long&quot; warning and such. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 03:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I'm against this. Misty, aswell as brock, was only a gym leader.. she had a minute-long role in the games and only a paragraphs worth of information. May, Dawn and Red were main characters in the game and thus have alot more information. <br /> Also, Misty and Brock's appearances in the anime only added information such as motivation, goals and pokemon whereas May and Dawn's anime roles contradicted their origional characters. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 02:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Cast Change Contraversy==<br /> <br /> Should this section be moved up nearer the anime one? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 22:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Should this section even exist? I know I was for it before but it sounds like Cybercube's conspiracy theories rather than the actual reality. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> Well, technically that section was my Idea, but i didn't make it its own section. In fact, I thought that something like this should be, if not in the Anime character Bio section, then at least the trivia section. however, someone erased it from the anime section (I think PDL) and moved it to it's own section.<br /> :: there were two copies back then, so I took out the duplicate. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 22:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::ETA: Ah, you're right. It was PDL...<br /> <br /> ::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Misty&amp;diff=232900&amp;oldid=232876] - Removing the duplicate<br /> <br /> ::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Misty&amp;diff=242635&amp;oldid=242435] - PDL creates the section.<br /> <br /> [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 23:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I gave it it's own section since Weedle McHairybug would throw a fit if it was deleted outright. I'm suspecting that he was the one who wrote the paragraph in the first place. - PDL<br /> <br /> : I think he argues for the sake of arguing, so don't worry about him. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 10:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Just so the both of you would know, No, I don't. while I do do that when I'm in a very bad mood, That isn't the case here. Believe me, I truly felt that the cast change controversy should be mentioned in the article.<br /> And also, YES, I am the one who wrote the article in the first place, and the only reason as to why I even made a duplicate of it in both the Anime Bio As well as the Trivia Section is because I felt that, even if one ends up getting erased, it would still live on. <br /> <br /> ~~Weedle_Mchairybug~~<br /> <br /> :It should be under anime. This section is not needed. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : Considering that the anime bio is supposed to be about what happened to Misty in the anime canon, not the effects it has caused in the fandom itself. It has no place in the anime section. - PDL<br /> <br /> Just for the sake of argument, would Weedle_Mchairybug be opposed to a similar paragraph being added to May's page?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 13:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :May's departure wasn't nearly as controversial.<br /> :And as this is about the reaction to the anime, it does belong in the anime section, if anywhere. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> So move it back to where it was, basically? Works for me. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 18:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> well, since you seem to be in favor for the change, I have moved it back into the Anime Bio, I have also taken the liberty of adding a little thing in there that might explain where this Inappropriate stereotype part in regards to May and dawn (not to mention one of the reasons as to why there is a degree of hatred of May and Dawn) came to be. See, I think that some of the Misty Fanbase noticed how those two girls acted under the same stereotype as those girls, and I know that there has to be some people that hate them because of how they act because I'm one of them. if you feel it to be inadequate, then go ahead and erase that little tidbit.<br /> :But the way May and Dawn act has nothing to do with the actual reaction to Misty leaving. And, believe it or not, most of the current fandom ''doesn't'' hate May or Dawn. Most of Misty's fans have got over it - either leaving the fandom or accepting May's presence. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::Ok, the rewritten version is far more neutral. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I guess it's somewhat better now, at least it doesn't have terrible weasel wording in it. - PDL<br /> <br /> == Protection ==<br /> <br /> As requested, I'm gonna protect this. I'll set it to expire in a week. Get whatever mess we have here ironed out. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 16:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Man you guys. You gotta stop making Misty's page protected. Funny part is, that both are kinda ironic. Controversy section's controversy... arguing about the Togepi contest, which was started by an arguement... [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :: It's a bit of a minor thing to go into protect mode over too; which way round to put two paragraphs. All I was trying to do was to intergrate the controversy bit into the article a bit better. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 17:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::: Due to recent events (I.e. SteelBastille's vandalization) I think we may need to put it in protect mode for the time being. I mean, if you haven't noticed, he has been editing messages and implementing them with extremely inappropriate, leud pornographic sentences. And believe me, that's far more serious than the previous two times that we had to initiate protection mode for this article. ~~Weedle_McHairybug~~<br /> <br /> ::::{{u|SteelBastille2003}} is a minor vandal with too much time on his/her hands. That's no reason to protect a page like this. --[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::Well he just totally deleted everything on the page. Maybe it should be protected, but for like 5 days max. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 19:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> I don't think it's needed to protect the page just 'cause a stupid person vandalised it. The protection is not necessary. '''[[User:Haruka uzumaki|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#705898&quot;&gt;うずまき&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#705898&quot;&gt;ハルカ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation I ==<br /> <br /> Is there a sprite of Misty from generation one? --[[User:Dawnfan47|Dawn]][[User Talk:Dawnfan47|fan47]]<br /> :Does one exist? Of course. Do we have one uploaded? No, or it would be in the article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Age? ==<br /> <br /> You probably have a reference for it, but if you can only become a Pokémon trainer at 10, how could Misty (and indeed, other Gym Leaders) become leaders at 10, also? [[User:Bomba22|Bomba22]] 10:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Maybe it was passed down from their parents who were killed in a car accident or by Voldemort or something... &lt;span style=&quot;background:#000000;&quot;&gt;[[User:Crystallucario|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;'''''Crystal'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystallucario|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;'''''Lucario'''''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Child prodigy? Not to mention the fact that she's not ''that'' special despite her title; there's a point where no one is afraid of a level 28 Starmie.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 13:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::She's only ten in the anime and we saw how she got the Gym in that continuity. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] | &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]&lt;/sup&gt; | 14:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Actually, even BEFORE Cerulean Blues, they have stated that Misty was the Gym leader (e.g., Misty: I am a Gym leader, too. I AM THE FOURTH SENSATIONAL SISTER!! -from [[EP007|The Waterflowers of Cerulean City]]), and actually, that line alone made the entire premise of the Hoso episode extremely confusing (It made it seem as though she just became the gym leader for the first time ever even though she said that she was already a Gym Leader in both Waterflowers in Cerulean City AND Mewtwo Returns.<br /> :::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::: No, the point of the Hoso was that various Gyms were being tested to make sure they were up to standard. If the Older Sisters had been in residence, I suspect Cerulean would have been closed. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 17:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> How do we know she was 10 in her debut anyway? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 02:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Misty Outlook==<br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; style=&quot;width: 10em;&quot;<br /> |-<br /> |colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | [[Image:Pokemon - Hoenn - Misty.gif |140px|Misty (Hoenn Series) .]]<br /> |-<br /> !colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot; | '''Misty (Hoenn Series)'''<br /> |-<br /> |''' Class''' || Water Gym Leader<br /> |-<br /> |''' Main PKMN''' || Togepi<br /> |-<br /> |''' Series''' || Advanced Adventures (Cameo)<br /> |-<br /> |''' Birthplace''' || Cerulean City<br /> |-<br /> |''' Episode ''' || <br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> Hello everyone, for a while now, i've been looking on the misty pages and i didn't see this pucture so i though i ask if you would add it. i've been having this picture for a while and i think you'll like it alot, the data can be taken of, it's just for looks, but the screen shot would be best used for an episode explanation rather then a mini article, but using the screen shot with this pic would be good as well.<br /> <br /> So what do you think? I like it, please respond to show you feelings and please add it if i is good enough. in my personal opinion, i loved the hoenn series and when she appeared in different uniform, i was smitten with much happiness ([[User:Gaiden|Gaiden]] 16:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC))<br /> :The picture would be a good addition if it wasn't for the ''really'' bad cropping. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|&lt;/sup&gt; 01:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::And if it weren't a crappy gif. C'mon man, get with the 21st century: use a png. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :At least cite the source of the image. The artist may be Japanese, but it doesn't mean that Bulbapedia should steal it for it's use without mentioning who drew it. - PDL<br /> :::Ok gentlemen, no need to get testy, i wasn't promoting theft of any kind, mind you, most images i submit is from different sources, but never-the-less i would never do anything that would hurt in any way; In this case, i would try to find the website, it doesn't look too bad, not to me anyway, but the picture in question originally came in that format, trust me-you if there was i wouuld present it in that way, that artist as well is somewhat hard to find, i'll see what i can do [[User:Gaiden|Gaiden]] 04:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Misty was in the top 8 in the whirl cup, not top 16. ==<br /> <br /> Sigh, I just finished reverting an edit on Misty being among the top 16 in the whirl cup. She ranked top 8, not top 16.<br /> <br /> First off, Trinity lost to the guy with the Feraligatr, who then became the champion right after beating her. Taking into account that Harrison, after Beating Ash, lost to Dickson, who then became champion, and Ash was ranked among the top 8, that means that Misty actually was ranked among the top 8, not the top 16.<br /> <br /> so please, please, PLEASE don't say it's top 16. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ok, please stop mentioning the interview here. ==<br /> <br /> Ok, I just edited out a blurb about how Misty wasn't returning due to what Masamitsu Hidaka said in the Pokebeach interview, because 1. he's a storyboard artist who makes his living designing backgrounds and certain characters for an episode, and has barely any influence on a storyline in any way shape or form, If it was a writer, or maybe even a VA, then that would DEFINITELY count as a source.<br /> <br /> And besides, he doesn't even work with pokémon anymore (He left the job after Battle Frontier), so his words in regards to future events wouldn't have any corrolation to what the actual writers are thinking. Therefore, I reverted it back to the original edit of the Misty leaving controversy. Now, if you want me to add in that blurb, I'll do so, but only under the condition that I also add in a footnote that, since he no longer works with pokemon, that doesn't necessary mean that it's correct.<br /> <br /> [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Can we have actual rating statistics? ==<br /> <br /> Can someone please provide evidence of the anime's ratings so we can analyze how much of an actual impact Misty's departure had on the series that was not attributed to other factors? [[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 17:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Actually, Misty's departure boosted the anime's ratings (not among mature fans of course). Most of the fans who had either started watching the show from the beginning or the start of Johto had already left due to growing up or the endless fillers. May's creation brought in a new set of children who came to know the show and didn't wonder who Misty was. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 20:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> Honestly, do we even need to bring this up anymore? It's been how many years now? over five? It's only retards like Weedle who moan and bitch about these things... - PDL<br /> :I merely wanted to bring this up to gauge the relative merit of the Misty leaving controversy, and whether its section in the article should be modified accordingly. After all, if it is indeed fans making a mountain out of a molehill (like I suspected), then it is a possibility that it should be pointed out. [[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 02:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Soo.... when will the protection end? ==<br /> <br /> ^topic.<br /> <br /> [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pierced ears... ==<br /> <br /> Which Pokemon Sunday segment mentioned that Misty had Pierced ears? I mean, you know, which airing? I need to know since some people would need to know that question. I'll be sure to edit it into that part of the trivia section (that is, if no one has done it yet, or if it wasn't erased) as soon as I get an answer. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 09:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Don't get what's the big deal. She had some earrings on Pokémon Sunday Intro scene. But I still don't get what's the deal. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Maxim is right. There is no point in keeping that stupid trivia in the article.--'''[[User:Diby|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0;&quot;&gt;D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F08030;&quot;&gt;i&lt;/span&gt;]]'''[[User talk:Diby|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#78C850;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030;&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] 10:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::And even IF that piece of trivia was needed, it wasn't that intro that revealed it. It was [[EP061|The Misty Mermaid]].<br /> [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> ==Quotes==<br /> Why arent her FRLG quotes here?--'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation IV Pokemon ==<br /> <br /> The trivia mentions that Misty is yet to own a Generation IV Pokémon. Does anyone else think it might be worth adding that, if she were to obtain one, it would probably be either Shellos, Gastrodon, Finneon, Lumineon or Mantyke, as these are the only Generation IV Water-type Pokémon that aren't owned by another main character? The other Generation IV Water-types are Buizel and Floatzel, but Ash has one of that evolutionary line; Piplup, Prinplup and Empoleon, but Dawn has one of those; and Manaphy, who is legendary.<br /> In addition, I'd say that the prospect of Misty obtaining a Generation IV Pokémon shortly is quite high, as her appearance in the new High Touch! opening is quite an exciting hint that she could be making a Diamond &amp; Pearl cameo soon. <br /> It is only speculation, so fair enough if it doesn't make it onto the article, but I thought it was an interesting point, at any rate... -Timothy.<br /> :Maybe, but, there's an equal chance that she'll get a pokemon that they'll already have. I mean, May had Squirtle and Bulbasaur, despite those two already being owned by Ash. Heck, even Misty captured a pokemon that also was owned by another main character at one point (ie, Gyarados.). Still, we can't be absolutely sure that she'll be making only a cameo in DP, for all we know, it could mean she's returning to the main cast OR they're going to pull a ''[[Rivals (Opening|Rivals]]''/''[[Spurt]] on us and just make us THINK she's appearing when she really isn't. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :No, and here's why. To suggest anything along the lines of her getting a Gen IV Pokémon and further, being one of those particular ones is way into speculation, which is t be avoided at all costs. Speculation is very bad. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 10:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I definitely see your point(s), but her options for a Generation IV Pokémon are still quite limited: while Misty and other characters, particularly May, have indeed owned Pokémon that have belonged to other trainers, no two trainers have ever owned two of the same Pokémon at the same time. What I mean is that May didn't have Squirtle and Bulbasaur while Ash did (he had deposited them for Hoenn series) and Misty didn't have her Gyarados when James had his (is that who you're referring to?). I think it's fair to say that there is a strong trend of the writers avoiding overlap and repetition to that degree, and according to that trend, Misty is very unlikely to have any of the Buizel or Piplup evolutionary lines, which only leaves three evolutionary lines. I also just noticed that Zoey has both a Shellos and a Finneon, but I don't suspect the writers would mind Misty overlapping with her, as she is a comparatively minor character. Regarding Misty's appearances, while I am very hopeful that Misty will rejoin the main cast eventually, the fact that a new opening sequence has just been aired with Misty still clearly in a minor supporting role suggests that there is still a fair amount of Diamond and Pearl series to come (otherwise, why bother developing a whole new opening?), and so Misty's rejoining with the main cast is probably a while off yet... I for one would be very surprised if they didn't award her a cameo before the series is out; every other character in that grouping in High Touch! has appeared in Diamond and Pearl, so if they continue their trend, we'll be seeing her soon...<br /> Of course, this has indeed stooped deep into the realms of the most unreliable speculation, so I wouldn't expect any of this to be included. I'm simply enjoying the discussion :)</div>

Timothy https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Misty/Archive_1&diff=504626 2008-10-07T10:28:13Z

<p>Timothy: /* Generation IV Pokemon */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>I can understand the &quot;link each Pokemon once&quot; for a paragraph, but should this also apply to lists of owned Pokemon? I can understand of Misty has two Goldeen, to link only the first of the two in the list, but if there's a list of her anime Pokemon, a list of her Pokeomn in Red and in Gold and in Stadium 1 and Stadium 2 and the card games, and I head straight for the Stadium 2 list, shouldn't Goldeen in that list be linked, even though it make have been linked in a paragraph or the Red/Blue Pokemon list before? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]<br /> <br /> Good point. Since the sections of the Gym Leaders are so diverse, you might miss a link for each section. Ask Argy or Evkl for their opinions.<br /> <br /> - Zeta<br /> <br /> By the way - we should problably develop a special marker or something for Gym Leader while we're at it. Or at least the leaders that appear in multiple formats - particularly games, manga, AND anime.<br /> <br /> - Zeta<br /> <br /> :Both seem reasonable suggestions to be.--[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 04:40, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> '''At Cerulean Gym'''<br /> Isn't she at Cerulean Gym right now? So wouldn't logic dictate that she actually has those Pokémon on-hand rather than in storage? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 09:32, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Good point, Ferret. As for the other issue, Pokémon should be linked in the lists even if they were previously mentioned in the article. It is reasonable to suspect that some would go right to a specific section rather than read the entire article. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 22:01, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Misty isn't the only main character not to have their parents revealed. What about Tracey? - Kenji-girl<br /> <br /> == About Misty... ==<br /> <br /> Shouldn't it be noteworthy that Mayumi Iizuka mentioned in her blog that Misty might return for the &quot;Diamond and Pearl&quot; anime? I mean, I personally feel that it should be mentioned. Another thing is that even bulbanews somewhat confirmed it, (or, if not, they at least confirmed that Mayumi Iizuka didn't mean specials considering that she actually confirmed the specials thing BEFORE she hinted at Misty making a possible return sometime in the future, and besides which, the 10th anniversary special's first [and only] airing in Japan was on November 11th, 2006, almost 5 months prior to making that announcement on March of 2007.), but then again, I don't run the site.<br /> ::IIRC, that ended up getting interpreted as &quot;I will be doing more specials&quot;. Has anyone seen anything on her blog since? For that matter, is there a link to the entry in question? - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]<br /> I do have a link to this entry: it's [http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/mayumi_blog/archive/2007/3/6|http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/mayumi_blog/archive/2007/3/6], or, for the Bulbanews Translation, it's http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kasumi_to_make_appearance_in_anime.<br /> And speaking of the bulbanews article, it pretty much confirmed the part involving her doing specials. However, the confirmation on her doing specials was, as I said, right BEFORE the hint at Misty's appearance.<br /> :Fixed the links, hope you don't mind. Bulbanews link sadly doesn't seem to have a translation and the original is going to require better translator program than Babelfish. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]<br /> Yeah, when I said the &quot;Bulbanews translation&quot;, I was meaning the lines that said &quot;According to (Insert japanese link here), the blog of voice actress Mayumi Iizuka, Kasumi will be &quot;Navigating&quot;, that is to say, hosting several parts of the first Pokemon 10th anniversary special, which airs on TV Tokyo tonight at 7 pm JST. She hinted at a further appearance sometime in the future.&quot;, since they had to have translated the blog to get this information.<br /> <br /> Ok, I think that i should add in that tidbit in regards to Mayumi Iizuka hinting in her blog that Misty will be appearing in Diamond and Pearl. I mean, If they allowed something that Eric Stuart said in a K-Zone article in regards to Brock's Last Name to be said in the Trivia section of Brocks article, I'm pretty sure they will allow something in regards to Mayumi Iizuka's Blog in regards to Misty here.<br /> :You can try, though someone might take it out again because they think it's 'fanwank'. Make sure to add that no such appearence has happened yet. - [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]]<br /> <br /> == [[EP001]] ==<br /> <br /> Misty appeared in episode one so I'm changing her profile to EP001-AG145 and MMop-present because she has not appeared in the season nine anime<br /> <br /> == Misty's outfit ==<br /> <br /> Do you think you could find a picture of Misty's current outfit and put it below her old outfit<br /> <br /> Of course! [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka uzumaki]]<br /> <br /> == ummm... shouldn't there be a listing of accomplishments/competitions that Misty has been in? ==<br /> <br /> I mean, Why not? I mean, Misty has had her fair share of accomplishments, She competed and was champ in the Queen of the princess festival contest, She competed in the race, she is the champ of the water race in the 5th movie, she ranked 3rd place in the whirl cup, she was champ in the seaking fishing tourney, and many other things that she competed in. I mean, if you gave a list for the accomplishments in non-gyms/leagues/BF battles in ash's page, and accomplishments in Jessie and James' respective pages, you can most certainly allow an accomplishments/competitions list for misty. <br /> <br /> Speaking of Jessie, I also noticed that she didn't have the fact that she ranked 2nd place in the Queen of the Princess festival contest listed under her achievements/competitions page. I mean, what exactly is the matter with that contest? If you were able to reference James winning the Orienteering competition and his ranking 2nd place in the ring-leading tournament in his page, you can most certainly allow the ranking of 2nd place in the queen of the princess festival contest in Jessies page.<br /> <br /> ~~Weedle Mchairybug~~<br /> <br /> :I guess so. But Misty didn't win that water race. It was the guy with the Walmer. And it was the '''5th''' movie. And she was in second place in the Whirl Cup competition. The only thing Misty really one in the series was the Princess competition. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;ケンジ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;ガール&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> wait a minute... I thought the Serebii.net Movie summary said that she actually was the CHAMP of that race... I thought Misty beat Rossi (you know, wailmer man) and I thought she won that medal that tells the legend of the Lati@s and the origin of Alto Mare. Also, didn't trinity beat Misty and yet lose against the guy with the Feraligator? And even if Trinity beat Feraligator man, it still proves that the fight of Misty vs. trinity wasn't the final battle of the tournament. So in that sense, yes she did win 3rd place in the whirl tournament. So really, why NOT mention those 2?<br /> <br /> Aso, I just corrected my Fau Pax in regards to which movie. I did think 5th movie, but I typoed.<br /> :She was top 8 at the Whirl Cup and won the race in movie 5.<br /> :And the simple reason the list isn't there is simply because no one has got round to it yet. That's the way of the wiki - you are welcome to add it yourself. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 17:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> &lt;div id=&quot;linkto&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> OK, stop edit warring over the contest in [[EP050]]. Personally, I think it warrents inclusion since it was set up as a tournament but let's ''discuss'' this. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> actually, I eliminated the most recent addition in light of what Kenji_Girl said on her talk Page.<br /> <br /> == Misty's DP appearance ==<br /> <br /> Doesn't anyone believe that Iizuka may have been referring to [[Misty's special lure]] in [[DP034]] rather than Misty herself? I mean that episode came a few weeks after she announced it. I think that's most likely what she was talking about. But that's just me. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;ケンジ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;ガール&lt;/span&gt;]] 21:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I doubt It, I mean, considering that it was her [B]Voice Actress[/B] who stated it, I don't think so. Now If it was her [B]Animator[/B] who stated it, then, yes, it would have been far more likely.<br /> :Given that it is her voice actress, the chances of it being the Misty lure are really unlikely unless she misunderstood something an animator said to her.<br /> :It is odd that we haven't seen Misty appear since then but ''Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon'' was recorded eight months before the Japanese audience got to see it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Since May just made her guest appearance, I wouldn't count on Misty showing up for a while. I seriously doubt they'll do one right after the other. I think once the gang reaches Cannalave City she'll show up. It is near water and a major port, so it would be a good time for her. She might even travel to Iron Island with them! i hope anyway... but i get the feeling Iizuka did mean the lure. Refering to something over 80 episodes into the seires doesnt seem to likely. I have to go with Kenji-girl one this one. [[User:Hatsumi|Hatsumi]] 23:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)Hatsumi<br /> <br /> :The problem is that Mayumi Iizuka is a VA, I mean, if the blog was written by, oh, I don't know, Misty's concept designer, then, yes, that person WOULD have meant the lure, but this was made by her VA, and since, if she mentions something that points to Misty's return (or at the VERY Least a cameo from her), It would mean a SPEAKING role, which means that the character herself would be the one making the appearance, not the Lure.<br /> <br /> :[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 01:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: I know. im just saying its probably gonna be a while. T_T to bad though. [[User:Hatsumi|Hatsumi]] 01:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Hatsumi<br /> :::I think it's been a bit too long since that blog post was made for it to count now. It would really help to know a little bit of context. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|&lt;/sup&gt; 01:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Wikipedia kept it's source of Aonuma saying in a Press conference with IGN that Ganon will appear in twilight Princess for TWICE As long as this one (there was a 2 year gap between the press conference and the release of TP, 3 years by America's standards, and there was too much controversy in the Zelda Fandom as to whether the Zelda Staff was lying or not, and despite ALL that, until it's release, they kept it in. Heck, they even kept in the statement that Aonuma had released concept designs of Sheik AND Ganondorf as well.) If they were able to do it that long, we should as well.<br /> <br /> ::::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Page locked? ==<br /> <br /> Why is the page locked[[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] 02:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Because of &quot;edit wars&quot;. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0005CD;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[Tracey Sketchit|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#15E200;&quot;&gt;ケンジ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Kenji-girl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#DC0062;&quot;&gt;ガール&lt;/span&gt;]] 02:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::The edit war was over whether the private tournament in [[EP050]] should be considered a notable achievement for Misty. It was first put in by {{u|Weedle Mchairybug}}, who put it back in a second time after {{u|Kenji-girl}} removed the reference. However, {{u|Shiny Noctowl}} decided it was notable after Kenji-girl removed it the second time and reverted the edit. Kenji-girl removes it a third time, Shiny Noctowl puts it back in again for the fourth time. By this point, Weedle Mchairybug (the original instigator) has given in and makes the fourth removal. Shiny Noctowl does another reversion to put it back in a fifth time. {{u|Fabu-Vinny}} had had enough at this point in time and put the page under protection.<br /> <br /> ::And this isn't the first time Shiny Noctowl's caused controversy. He's been known to defend the notability of articles whose entire premise is not notable and can't be made notable no matter what (such as an article about ROM hacks in general), and he once tried to get the occurences of [[Template:tt]] used for Pokémon in Japanese anime episode titles changed over to [[Template:pt]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :::Why are you completely blaming '''me'''? '''Kenji-Girl''' is the one who '''removed''' the ''completely legitimate and notable'' content. And, as you can see [[Talk:Misty#linkto|here]], Fabu-Vinny, an '''''administrator''''', agrees with me that it should be included. And how would it hurt anyone to include it, anyway? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #221202&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #554535&quot;&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #887868&quot;&gt;i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #BBAB9B&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #EEDECE&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;?&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> God...Stop this...I think the little 'contest' for Togepi is not relevant as it was not official, only Team Rocket and the twoips participated. Everything else is good, so there! [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033&quot;&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366&quot;&gt;g&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#215670&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006699&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D6E89&quot;&gt;t&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0066CC&quot;&gt;#&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Mission|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3D81EE&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Lucario (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66B5FF&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#99C9FF&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Manual of style|&lt;span style=&quot; color:#C3D9FF;&quot;&gt;♂&lt;/span&gt;]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User:Optimus35/Diamond&amp;amp;Pearl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B0E0E6&quot;&gt;D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FFC0CB&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]] | [[User:Optimus35/Emerald|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66FF00;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;]] | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&amp;title=Special%3AContributions&amp;contribs=user&amp;target=Optimus35&amp;namespace=0&amp;year=&amp;month=-1 ☆]&lt;/sup&gt;[[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 13:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :IN OTHER WORDS...Only '''''OFFICIAL''''' tournaments, got it? (We also need to remove for Ash :P) [[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000033&quot;&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#003366&quot;&gt;g&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#215670&quot;&gt;e&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#006699&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#2D6E89&quot;&gt;t&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Optimus35|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0066CC&quot;&gt;#&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Mission|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#3D81EE&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Lucario (anime)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66B5FF&quot;&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#99C9FF&quot;&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Optimus35/Manual of style|&lt;span style=&quot; color:#C3D9FF;&quot;&gt;♂&lt;/span&gt;]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User:Optimus35/Diamond&amp;amp;Pearl|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#B0E0E6&quot;&gt;D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FFC0CB&quot;&gt;P&lt;/span&gt;]] | [[User:Optimus35/Emerald|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#66FF00;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;]] | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&amp;title=Special%3AContributions&amp;contribs=user&amp;target=Optimus35&amp;namespace=0&amp;year=&amp;month=-1 ☆]&lt;/sup&gt;[[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 13:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC) And Meowth...and Brock...<br /> <br /> First of all, an administrator agrees with me. Second, since it '''was''' a contest, and '''it caused Misty to get her main Pokémon''', Misty actually '''won''' something. (Okay, actually she got second place, but Togepi didn't like Ash, who won. However, '''that doesn't mean that Misty was guaranteed to get Togepi!''' If Team Rocket had won, they would've kept Togepi for themselves, even if Togepi didn't want to be with Team Rocket. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #221202&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #554535&quot;&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #887868&quot;&gt;i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #BBAB9B&quot;&gt;n&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #EEDECE&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;?&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #775500&quot;&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Can't we just list it as &quot;unnofficial mini-tournament?&quot; And what about that contest where Jessie used Aipom? That was unofficial. Are we striking THAT from record? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 14:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Now we can strike back because that's her only accomplishment. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 19:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ok... Should the fact that Misty's leaving the main cast caused controversy among the fanbase be mentioned in the article? ==<br /> <br /> I mean, I feel it is worth noting as well as the fact that several people want Misty back for various reasons. I mean, If you guys allowed the Buizel article to mention the the huge &quot;Ash's Buizel or Dawn's Buizel&quot; Controversy that was there since the 10th movie poster was unveiled as well as the fact that several fans want Brock axed out and the fans that don't think that Brock could leave now, I think that the whole &quot;Misty Leaving/Bring Back Misty&quot; controversy should recieve a mention, if not in the main anime bio, then at least the trivia section of the article.<br /> :I would actually argue the opposite (that the Buizel Controversy be removed from that page), because when you let one &quot;Controversy Section&quot; remain that isn't really necessary to the article, then you have to let in the others. Would you be just as happy to see a whole &quot;May Leaving/Bring Back May&quot; Controversy section in that article?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 02:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::Misty leaving was a really big issue, though. Certainly far more controversial than the transfer from May to Dawn. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 09:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::: Speaking only on this case, I'd say it's worth mentioning. Last I heard, many people stopped watching the show after Misty left and many more formed May Hate Clubs simply because she wasn't Misty. Hell, Cybercubed could probably write a page on it, so a paragraph isn't out of the question. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 11:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> Ok, I edited in the paragraph that mentions the controversy in both the main Anime Bio and the Trivia section, because I thought that even if one gets erased, i can still have the other on there.<br /> ~~Weedle McHairybug~~<br /> <br /> Isn't the purpose of a wiki supposed to be to provide a neutral point of view? Mentioning any controversey would be in direct violation of that. However, I would tolerate it in the trivia section, but it should have no place in the bio. - PDL<br /> <br /> As long as the article doesn't actually take a side, I don't see the problem. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 11:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Ok, PDL, I think that it [the controversy] should be mentioned in this article, also, I should just point out that Brock's article actually referenced a current fanbase controversy in his bio (and, just FYI it's [[Brock#In_The_Anime#Character|Here]] and [[Brock#In_The_Anime#History|Here]]), so I don't think that that part means anything (at least, certainly not in this wiki.) And besides, I'd add it back into the trivia section of the article, but apparantly someone removed it when i posted this Info the first time around. I'll add the info back into the trivia section (much less in the article as a whole) as long as someone doesn't attempt to remove it in the future (yes, that goes for you too, PDL).<br /> <br /> ~~Weedle_McHairybug~~<br /> <br /> Honestly, I don't see why the article even needs to even bring it up. It only seems to make Misty appear to be much more important to the anime then she really was. The anime as a whole hasn't actually suffered now that Misty is no longer a part of the main cast of characters (Save for a few belly-achers... You know who you are... &gt;_&gt;)<br /> <br /> Plus it shouldn't even an issue any longer since it's been nearly 6 years now.<br /> <br /> Anyway, I put it in it's own section since it shouldn't be included in the main bio. I won't delete it, but I still think it's pandering to Misty fans who still complain about Misty not being in the anime.<br /> <br /> - PDL<br /> <br /> Fine then, I don't really care if it is in the Anime section, the Trivia Section, or even it's own section. As long as it is mentioned in the article, it is all right with me. (Though I personally disagree with the whole &quot;Anime hasn't suffered&quot; arguement considering that, before Misty left, It's ratings WORLDWIDE were fairly strong. But AFTER Misty left, the only country that even HAS Decent ratings is Japan, since people very rarely watch the anime anymore, and the Movies are currently being released DTD/DTV, which hints at their low ratings, as well as europe not even getting several of the movies/seasons until at least 4 years have passed in japan, and 3 years here in the USA. Heck, fairly recently, China banned pokemon from its airwaves. If all of these things doesn't constitute as the Anime Suffering, then I don't know WHAT does. But, whatever, It's your opinion.)<br /> <br /> However, Now that you have mentioned it, you've really got some work to do. Since you feel that fan controversies should NEVER be mentioned within an Main Anime Character's Bio, I highly suggest that you delete certain sections in Brock's Anime Bio (or at least move them to the trivia section/it's very own section.) since, believe me, If you read the last sentence of the last paragraph in Brock's Character subsection of his character Bio, you'll notice that the entire thing is swimming with fan complaints among other things. Same deal with the Last few sentences of his History section. Oh, and in case My links didn't work out for you, It's these lines:<br /> <br /> From the Character subsection:<br /> <br /> &quot;His role has always been purely one as support for other main characters, [B]but some fans find this disappointing and want him to take a more active role in the series to make his character more interesting.[/B]&quot; <br /> <br /> From the History section:<br /> <br /> Brock is among the longest-lived main characters in the anime, only being absent from the Orange Islands season and thus ranked under only the permanent characters of Ash, Pikachu, Jessie, James, and Meowth. [B]Because of this, some fans believe he is too worn-out as a character and should be removed from the cast. Others believe he has established himself as a permanent character of the main cast, and do not see him being removed from the cast any time in the near future.[/B] <br /> <br /> ...and if you won't do the job, then I will.<br /> <br /> anyways, that's all for now.<br /> <br /> ~~Weedle Mchairybug~~<br /> <br /> Honestly, I don't really give a damn about Brock's bio all that much. Or even this one all that much anymore anyway. Please quit embarassing yourself any further by typing paragraphs about old news that barely anyone cares about. In other words, stuff it.<br /> <br /> And to think, I used to be a big fan of her...<br /> <br /> - PDL<br /> <br /> == Proposal of splitting the article ==<br /> <br /> I've noticed here on the Bulbapedia, other major characters of the anime such as Ash, May and Dawn all have separate articles from their video game counterparts, unlike Misty and Brock. I was thinking that in order to potentially improve consistancy of the articles, that we could split off seperate articles for Misty and Brock's anime incarnations like what is currently in place for Ash, May and Dawn. Thoughts? Like the idea? Hate the idea? Don't care either way? [[User:Sato|Sato]] 15:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Makes sense to me. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 16:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Alright with me. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 21:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Don't forget [[Talk:Brock]] has the same discussion... '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;TTE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 21:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Does NOT make sense to me. Ash and Red are actually two DIFFERENT characters while Game Misty and Anime Misty are not. More or less important, still the same. And what's wrong with big articles? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::Editing them in old browsers that were released before the millennium started? That whole &quot;greater than 32 KB long&quot; warning and such. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 03:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I'm against this. Misty, aswell as brock, was only a gym leader.. she had a minute-long role in the games and only a paragraphs worth of information. May, Dawn and Red were main characters in the game and thus have alot more information. <br /> Also, Misty and Brock's appearances in the anime only added information such as motivation, goals and pokemon whereas May and Dawn's anime roles contradicted their origional characters. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 02:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Cast Change Contraversy==<br /> <br /> Should this section be moved up nearer the anime one? [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 22:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Should this section even exist? I know I was for it before but it sounds like Cybercube's conspiracy theories rather than the actual reality. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> Well, technically that section was my Idea, but i didn't make it its own section. In fact, I thought that something like this should be, if not in the Anime character Bio section, then at least the trivia section. however, someone erased it from the anime section (I think PDL) and moved it to it's own section.<br /> :: there were two copies back then, so I took out the duplicate. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 22:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::ETA: Ah, you're right. It was PDL...<br /> <br /> ::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Misty&amp;diff=232900&amp;oldid=232876] - Removing the duplicate<br /> <br /> ::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Misty&amp;diff=242635&amp;oldid=242435] - PDL creates the section.<br /> <br /> [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 23:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I gave it it's own section since Weedle McHairybug would throw a fit if it was deleted outright. I'm suspecting that he was the one who wrote the paragraph in the first place. - PDL<br /> <br /> : I think he argues for the sake of arguing, so don't worry about him. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 10:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Just so the both of you would know, No, I don't. while I do do that when I'm in a very bad mood, That isn't the case here. Believe me, I truly felt that the cast change controversy should be mentioned in the article.<br /> And also, YES, I am the one who wrote the article in the first place, and the only reason as to why I even made a duplicate of it in both the Anime Bio As well as the Trivia Section is because I felt that, even if one ends up getting erased, it would still live on. <br /> <br /> ~~Weedle_Mchairybug~~<br /> <br /> :It should be under anime. This section is not needed. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : Considering that the anime bio is supposed to be about what happened to Misty in the anime canon, not the effects it has caused in the fandom itself. It has no place in the anime section. - PDL<br /> <br /> Just for the sake of argument, would Weedle_Mchairybug be opposed to a similar paragraph being added to May's page?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 13:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :May's departure wasn't nearly as controversial.<br /> :And as this is about the reaction to the anime, it does belong in the anime section, if anywhere. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 14:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> So move it back to where it was, basically? Works for me. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 18:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> well, since you seem to be in favor for the change, I have moved it back into the Anime Bio, I have also taken the liberty of adding a little thing in there that might explain where this Inappropriate stereotype part in regards to May and dawn (not to mention one of the reasons as to why there is a degree of hatred of May and Dawn) came to be. See, I think that some of the Misty Fanbase noticed how those two girls acted under the same stereotype as those girls, and I know that there has to be some people that hate them because of how they act because I'm one of them. if you feel it to be inadequate, then go ahead and erase that little tidbit.<br /> :But the way May and Dawn act has nothing to do with the actual reaction to Misty leaving. And, believe it or not, most of the current fandom ''doesn't'' hate May or Dawn. Most of Misty's fans have got over it - either leaving the fandom or accepting May's presence. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::Ok, the rewritten version is far more neutral. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 00:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I guess it's somewhat better now, at least it doesn't have terrible weasel wording in it. - PDL<br /> <br /> == Protection ==<br /> <br /> As requested, I'm gonna protect this. I'll set it to expire in a week. Get whatever mess we have here ironed out. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 16:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Man you guys. You gotta stop making Misty's page protected. Funny part is, that both are kinda ironic. Controversy section's controversy... arguing about the Togepi contest, which was started by an arguement... [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> :: It's a bit of a minor thing to go into protect mode over too; which way round to put two paragraphs. All I was trying to do was to intergrate the controversy bit into the article a bit better. [[User:Cassius335|Cassius335]] 17:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::: Due to recent events (I.e. SteelBastille's vandalization) I think we may need to put it in protect mode for the time being. I mean, if you haven't noticed, he has been editing messages and implementing them with extremely inappropriate, leud pornographic sentences. And believe me, that's far more serious than the previous two times that we had to initiate protection mode for this article. ~~Weedle_McHairybug~~<br /> <br /> ::::{{u|SteelBastille2003}} is a minor vandal with too much time on his/her hands. That's no reason to protect a page like this. --[[User:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#30D5C8&quot;&gt;ニョロトノ&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Politoed666|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF69B4&quot;&gt;''666''&lt;/span&gt;]] 19:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::Well he just totally deleted everything on the page. Maybe it should be protected, but for like 5 days max. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF7F00&quot;&gt;Theryguy&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Theryguy512|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;5&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#5C8CFA&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 19:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> I don't think it's needed to protect the page just 'cause a stupid person vandalised it. The protection is not necessary. '''[[User:Haruka uzumaki|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#705898&quot;&gt;うずまき&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#705898&quot;&gt;ハルカ&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 20:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation I ==<br /> <br /> Is there a sprite of Misty from generation one? --[[User:Dawnfan47|Dawn]][[User Talk:Dawnfan47|fan47]]<br /> :Does one exist? Of course. Do we have one uploaded? No, or it would be in the article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]&lt;/sup&gt; 20:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Age? ==<br /> <br /> You probably have a reference for it, but if you can only become a Pokémon trainer at 10, how could Misty (and indeed, other Gym Leaders) become leaders at 10, also? [[User:Bomba22|Bomba22]] 10:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Maybe it was passed down from their parents who were killed in a car accident or by Voldemort or something... &lt;span style=&quot;background:#000000;&quot;&gt;[[User:Crystallucario|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;'''''Crystal'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:Crystallucario|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;'''''Lucario'''''&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Child prodigy? Not to mention the fact that she's not ''that'' special despite her title; there's a point where no one is afraid of a level 28 Starmie.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &lt;small&gt;•&lt;/small&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 13:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::She's only ten in the anime and we saw how she got the Gym in that continuity. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] | &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]&lt;/sup&gt; | 14:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Actually, even BEFORE Cerulean Blues, they have stated that Misty was the Gym leader (e.g., Misty: I am a Gym leader, too. I AM THE FOURTH SENSATIONAL SISTER!! -from [[EP007|The Waterflowers of Cerulean City]]), and actually, that line alone made the entire premise of the Hoso episode extremely confusing (It made it seem as though she just became the gym leader for the first time ever even though she said that she was already a Gym Leader in both Waterflowers in Cerulean City AND Mewtwo Returns.<br /> :::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::: No, the point of the Hoso was that various Gyms were being tested to make sure they were up to standard. If the Older Sisters had been in residence, I suspect Cerulean would have been closed. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 17:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> How do we know she was 10 in her debut anyway? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 02:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Misty Outlook==<br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; style=&quot;width: 10em;&quot;<br /> |-<br /> |colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;text-align:center;&quot; | [[Image:Pokemon - Hoenn - Misty.gif |140px|Misty (Hoenn Series) .]]<br /> |-<br /> !colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;font-size: small;&quot; | '''Misty (Hoenn Series)'''<br /> |-<br /> |''' Class''' || Water Gym Leader<br /> |-<br /> |''' Main PKMN''' || Togepi<br /> |-<br /> |''' Series''' || Advanced Adventures (Cameo)<br /> |-<br /> |''' Birthplace''' || Cerulean City<br /> |-<br /> |''' Episode ''' || <br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> Hello everyone, for a while now, i've been looking on the misty pages and i didn't see this pucture so i though i ask if you would add it. i've been having this picture for a while and i think you'll like it alot, the data can be taken of, it's just for looks, but the screen shot would be best used for an episode explanation rather then a mini article, but using the screen shot with this pic would be good as well.<br /> <br /> So what do you think? I like it, please respond to show you feelings and please add it if i is good enough. in my personal opinion, i loved the hoenn series and when she appeared in different uniform, i was smitten with much happiness ([[User:Gaiden|Gaiden]] 16:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC))<br /> :The picture would be a good addition if it wasn't for the ''really'' bad cropping. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] &lt;sup&gt;|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|&lt;/sup&gt; 01:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::And if it weren't a crappy gif. C'mon man, get with the 21st century: use a png. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :At least cite the source of the image. The artist may be Japanese, but it doesn't mean that Bulbapedia should steal it for it's use without mentioning who drew it. - PDL<br /> :::Ok gentlemen, no need to get testy, i wasn't promoting theft of any kind, mind you, most images i submit is from different sources, but never-the-less i would never do anything that would hurt in any way; In this case, i would try to find the website, it doesn't look too bad, not to me anyway, but the picture in question originally came in that format, trust me-you if there was i wouuld present it in that way, that artist as well is somewhat hard to find, i'll see what i can do [[User:Gaiden|Gaiden]] 04:20, 20 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Misty was in the top 8 in the whirl cup, not top 16. ==<br /> <br /> Sigh, I just finished reverting an edit on Misty being among the top 16 in the whirl cup. She ranked top 8, not top 16.<br /> <br /> First off, Trinity lost to the guy with the Feraligatr, who then became the champion right after beating her. Taking into account that Harrison, after Beating Ash, lost to Dickson, who then became champion, and Ash was ranked among the top 8, that means that Misty actually was ranked among the top 8, not the top 16.<br /> <br /> so please, please, PLEASE don't say it's top 16. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 12:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ok, please stop mentioning the interview here. ==<br /> <br /> Ok, I just edited out a blurb about how Misty wasn't returning due to what Masamitsu Hidaka said in the Pokebeach interview, because 1. he's a storyboard artist who makes his living designing backgrounds and certain characters for an episode, and has barely any influence on a storyline in any way shape or form, If it was a writer, or maybe even a VA, then that would DEFINITELY count as a source.<br /> <br /> And besides, he doesn't even work with pokémon anymore (He left the job after Battle Frontier), so his words in regards to future events wouldn't have any corrolation to what the actual writers are thinking. Therefore, I reverted it back to the original edit of the Misty leaving controversy. Now, if you want me to add in that blurb, I'll do so, but only under the condition that I also add in a footnote that, since he no longer works with pokemon, that doesn't necessary mean that it's correct.<br /> <br /> [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Can we have actual rating statistics? ==<br /> <br /> Can someone please provide evidence of the anime's ratings so we can analyze how much of an actual impact Misty's departure had on the series that was not attributed to other factors? [[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 17:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Actually, Misty's departure boosted the anime's ratings (not among mature fans of course). Most of the fans who had either started watching the show from the beginning or the start of Johto had already left due to growing up or the endless fillers. May's creation brought in a new set of children who came to know the show and didn't wonder who Misty was. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 20:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> Honestly, do we even need to bring this up anymore? It's been how many years now? over five? It's only retards like Weedle who moan and bitch about these things... - PDL<br /> :I merely wanted to bring this up to gauge the relative merit of the Misty leaving controversy, and whether its section in the article should be modified accordingly. After all, if it is indeed fans making a mountain out of a molehill (like I suspected), then it is a possibility that it should be pointed out. [[User:PsychoRobo|PsychoRobo]] 02:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Soo.... when will the protection end? ==<br /> <br /> ^topic.<br /> <br /> [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Pierced ears... ==<br /> <br /> Which Pokemon Sunday segment mentioned that Misty had Pierced ears? I mean, you know, which airing? I need to know since some people would need to know that question. I'll be sure to edit it into that part of the trivia section (that is, if no one has done it yet, or if it wasn't erased) as soon as I get an answer. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 09:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Don't get what's the big deal. She had some earrings on Pokémon Sunday Intro scene. But I still don't get what's the deal. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Maxim is right. There is no point in keeping that stupid trivia in the article.--'''[[User:Diby|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#6890F0;&quot;&gt;D&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F08030;&quot;&gt;i&lt;/span&gt;]]'''[[User talk:Diby|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#78C850;&quot;&gt;b&lt;/span&gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F8D030;&quot;&gt;y&lt;/span&gt;]] 10:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::And even IF that piece of trivia was needed, it wasn't that intro that revealed it. It was [[EP061|The Misty Mermaid]].<br /> [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> ==Quotes==<br /> Why arent her FRLG quotes here?--'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]]&lt;/sup&gt; 19:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Generation IV Pokemon ==<br /> <br /> The trivia mentions that Misty is yet to own a Generation IV Pokémon. Does anyone else think it might be worth adding that, if she were to obtain one, it would probably be either Shellos, Gastrodon, Finneon, Lumineon or Mantyke, as these are the only Generation IV Water-type Pokémon that aren't owned by another main character? The other Generation IV Water-types are Buizel and Floatzel, but Ash has one of that evolutionary line; Piplup, Prinplup and Empoleon, but Dawn has one of those; and Manaphy, who is legendary.<br /> In addition, I'd say that the prospect of Misty obtaining a Generation IV Pokémon shortly is quite high, as her appearance in the new High Touch! opening is quite an exciting hint that she could be making a Diamond &amp; Pearl cameo soon. <br /> It is only speculation, so fair enough if it doesn't make it onto the article, but I thought it was an interesting point, at any rate... -Timothy.</div>

Timothy https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lorelei&diff=501766 2008-10-04T14:55:46Z

<p>Timothy: /* Trivia */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>== Lorelei the Irish Street ==<br /> Is the trivia note about a street in Bangor, Ireland really all that relevant. If the street was named after the character, then this trivia would be notable. However, it is almost 100% certain that street was named either after the rock in the Rhine known as Lorelei or Loreley, or else after the Rhine Maiden named after the rock. There could easily be many other streets with that name, and more likely, somewhere in Germany. The street name is irrelevant, and does not deserve a place in the trivia. If someone thinks otherwise, he or she can add it back in, but I'm removing it. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 22:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> '<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> One of the Trivia items says that Lorelai is the only character to call an attack on another character in the in-game text. I could be wrong, but isn't there a moment in the GSC storyline where Lance orders his Dragonite to use Hyper Beam on a Rocket Grunt? I think it occurs in Mahogany Town, in the Rocket Hideout...<br /> <br /> Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Lorelai isn't the only one to do it...</div>

Timothy https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Stealth_Rock_(move)&diff=424638 2008-07-27T14:10:17Z

<p>Timothy: /* Miltank */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>Is anyone opposed to putting that this move is affected by Type match-ups? It may be a tad obvious but I don't think Spikes is (aside from immunities), and they're both similar moves. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 01:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I say we should stick it in. After all, it is kinda special in that way. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 01:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I second [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966CC;&quot;&gt;Midnight Celtic&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 01:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Hmm, I was thinking that since this move is affected by type match-ups, does that include STAB? Can someone test this out? --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 02:08, 25 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Nope, you don't get STAB from Stealth Rock. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 02:09, 25 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Miltank ==<br /> <br /> Miltank is listed as able to learn Stealth Rock on this page, but on Miltank's own page, it isn't. Would someone be able to clear up which it is?</div>

Timothy https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gardevoir_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=403592 2008-07-05T08:52:22Z

<p>Timothy: /* Gardevoir- Wish */</p> <hr /> <div>On name origins, what about from the French &quot;Garder&quot; -- to keep, and &quot;voir&quot; -- to see?&lt;br&gt; <br /> --Slim<br /> :It certainly sounds French in the anime dub. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 11:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Could someone please help me! What does it mean when it says &quot;and the red fins it had as Ralts/Kirlia are now gone.&quot; Does it mean the red things? On there head? But, Gardevoir still has them! I'm confused.<br /> :I assume it means those on the head... Sure, Gardevoir's and Gallade's are on their chests now... but Ralts and Kirlia have them on their heads, which is the point. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I still don't get why they call them &quot;Fins&quot;. I don't think there fins. ~Gardevoir<br /> <br /> :More &quot;fin-like&quot; then &quot;fins&quot;, to be exact. I think I was one who referred to them as Fins... if you can think of a more accurate word for it (maybe &quot;fin-like ridges&quot;?), then by all means, replace it. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt;'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''&gt;'''&lt;/font&gt;]] 02:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I'll probably do that. Thank you for you're help.<br /> <br /> :::Right on. Looks just great now. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt;'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''&gt;'''&lt;/font&gt;]] 21:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yes, theres a much better understanding of what it means now. --Gardevoir<br /> <br /> was gardevoir ever speculated as a counterpart to Alakazam ??<br /> :Not... really. Sure, it's kind of a Hoenn counterpart, but Alakazam's there anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:56, 2 September 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Gardevoir's attacking pose ==<br /> <br /> There's something I've noticed about Gardevoir in Pokémon Colosseum/XD/Battle Revolution for quite a while. Whenever Gardevoir attacks, it looks to me as if Gardevoir's holding its arms in a cross formation. It's as if Gardevoir summon power from God to strike their foes or something. Can I make a note of that in the Trivia section?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 05:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Mmmmmh... I'm thinking... that's too fanony. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 05:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Gardevoir - Hypnosis ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that my Gardevoir in Gen IV learned Hypnosis at 60, not 63 like the page says. Was that a typo? Or did I do something to learn moves faster..? ~Desu<br /> :Nope. It was apparently wrong. Fixing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Cool, glad I could help. ~Desu<br /> <br /> == Gardevoir- Wish ==<br /> <br /> I'm a bit confused about how to get a Gardevoir with Wish. It says it learns it at level 17, but it evolves at level 30, so it seems that a level 17 Gardevoir is impossible. On top of that, Ralts and Kirlia can't learn it; they learn Lucky Chant instead at level 17...<br /> Help :S -Timothy<br /> :You have to use the Move Relearner in Pastoria. Give him a Heart Scale and he'll teach Gardevoir Wish. Blazevoir 12:56, 3 July 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Thanks heaps! :) -Timothy</div>

Timothy https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gardevoir_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=401904 2008-07-03T12:42:55Z

<p>Timothy: /* Gardevoir- Wish */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>On name origins, what about from the French &quot;Garder&quot; -- to keep, and &quot;voir&quot; -- to see?&lt;br&gt; <br /> --Slim<br /> :It certainly sounds French in the anime dub. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 11:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Could someone please help me! What does it mean when it says &quot;and the red fins it had as Ralts/Kirlia are now gone.&quot; Does it mean the red things? On there head? But, Gardevoir still has them! I'm confused.<br /> :I assume it means those on the head... Sure, Gardevoir's and Gallade's are on their chests now... but Ralts and Kirlia have them on their heads, which is the point. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I still don't get why they call them &quot;Fins&quot;. I don't think there fins. ~Gardevoir<br /> <br /> :More &quot;fin-like&quot; then &quot;fins&quot;, to be exact. I think I was one who referred to them as Fins... if you can think of a more accurate word for it (maybe &quot;fin-like ridges&quot;?), then by all means, replace it. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt;'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''&gt;'''&lt;/font&gt;]] 02:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I'll probably do that. Thank you for you're help.<br /> <br /> :::Right on. Looks just great now. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt;'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''&gt;'''&lt;/font&gt;]] 21:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Yes, theres a much better understanding of what it means now. --Gardevoir<br /> <br /> was gardevoir ever speculated as a counterpart to Alakazam ??<br /> :Not... really. Sure, it's kind of a Hoenn counterpart, but Alakazam's there anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:56, 2 September 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Gardevoir's attacking pose ==<br /> <br /> There's something I've noticed about Gardevoir in Pokémon Colosseum/XD/Battle Revolution for quite a while. Whenever Gardevoir attacks, it looks to me as if Gardevoir's holding its arms in a cross formation. It's as if Gardevoir summon power from God to strike their foes or something. Can I make a note of that in the Trivia section?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 05:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Mmmmmh... I'm thinking... that's too fanony. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 05:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Gardevoir - Hypnosis ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that my Gardevoir in Gen IV learned Hypnosis at 60, not 63 like the page says. Was that a typo? Or did I do something to learn moves faster..? ~Desu<br /> :Nope. It was apparently wrong. Fixing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Cool, glad I could help. ~Desu<br /> <br /> == Gardevoir- Wish ==<br /> <br /> I'm a bit confused about how to get a Gardevoir with Wish. It says it learns it at level 17, but it evolves at level 30, so it seems that a level 17 Gardevoir is impossible. On top of that, Ralts and Kirlia can't learn it; they learn Lucky Chant instead at level 17...<br /> Help :S -Timothy</div>

Timothy https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Effort_values&diff=401056 2008-07-02T11:39:05Z

<p>Timothy: /* EV */</p> <hr /> <div>Where &quot;252&quot; comes from isn't explained... it'd be better as Math.floor(255/4), but I'd prefer to see it written with the proper math symbols, which don't appear to be supported in Bulbapedia yet... - Hyperworm.<br /> :We'll try to get texvc installed, but that would mean getting an Ocaml compiler for whatever platform the server is running... not to mention checking that TeX is installed properly, etc. (mutter...) - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 12:23, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Feel free to make it floor(255/4) with a description of the floor command, but leave the &quot;Math.&quot; out, Bulbapedia isn't a compiler. Don't expect most people viewing the page to know what &quot;floor()&quot; does.<br /> :--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 00:53, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Is anyone thinking of compiling a chart of pokemon and what Effort Values they have? I see that each pokemon has theirs on their own pages but it doesn't list all of them at one spot, any ambitions or places online that it could be copied over from? [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 02:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Bulbapedia already has one of those, actually. Now that you mention it, I hvae no idea why it's not linked to here. I'll add a hyperlink to the article. -- [[user:Jioruji Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt;'''J'''ioruji '''D'''erako.'''&gt;'''&lt;/font&gt;]] 04:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Wow that makes it so much better thanks [[User:Lucasthalefty|Lucasthalefty]] 14:47, 13 June 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Just a point of clarification here - is it necessary to get a Pokemon to lv. 100 to get the full EV benefits? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 13:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)<br /> :Once they have the effort ribbon, you'll know they have full effort values. Otherwise, then, you can't really know. Heck, a Pokémon can hit 100 without full EVs. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 19:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)<br /> ::No, no. I mean, do the stat benefits show up only at lv. 100, or immediately after you've filled the 510 EVs? [[User:Fuzzy|Fuzzy]] 14:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)<br /> :::Well, it's not like leveling from 99 to 100 will add some ridiculously high number to the stats. I don't keep track personally, but I think that they'll show up instantly once you've filled the EVs, and it won't matter if you enter them as some lower level into the autolevel-to-100 battle on WFC, or level them up naturally. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 21:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Actually, if you have enough evs, the stat gain comes after you level up. Say you get 16 evs before leveling up. If so, then when you do level up and you get 16 atk's, youll get 4 evs. So leveling to 100 isnt necesarry-- [[User:Mr T Tar]]<br /> :It is. You may have the EVs, but you don't have the stats. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000;&quot;&gt;E&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF;&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 04:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> And now i know thanks to you. I feel like a noob T_T<br /> <br /> == Some adjustments needed? ==<br /> <br /> First off, vitamins, The article's wording seems to imply that a vitamin can be used when the current points are any amount less than 100, and unless things have changed, or i know wrong, vitamins will only raise EV's TO 100 and never over 100, meaning vitamins can only be used when current EV's are 90 or less.<br /> <br /> Also, the basic info seems to ONLY address the final results at level 100, leading to earlier confusion about whether or not EV's apply anytime before. The EV portion of the stat calculations could be here, and/or a chart showing at what levels the EV's needed for an actual stat point are whole numbers, and how many it is, along the lines of:<br /> <br /> 100 = 4<br /> 80 = 5<br /> 50 = 8<br /> 40 = 10<br /> 25 = 16<br /> 20 = 20<br /> 16 = 25<br /> 10 = 40<br /> 8 = 50<br /> 5 = 80<br /> 4 = 100<br /> -------<br /> 2 = 200<br /> 1 = 400<br /> <br /> Obviously we don't need a lot of the lower levels, since it'd be difficult to finish EV training that low. at eight, you'd need to use all the vitamins the game will let you to get just two stat points, and only one for the same at level 4, and gaining a single whole stat point is impossible at levels 1 and 2.<br /> :I'm thinking the chart should be cut off at 4, since then you could still use vitamins to gain 5 single stat points in different stats. {{u|Kendai}} 10:38 October 22, 2007.<br /> <br /> I get the numbers by dividing 400 by the level, or the needed number of EV's. You can see they start to mirror at 20. <br /> <br /> :Vitamins are only if the EV's less than 100 at the time of use. Even if it's 99, you can still use one vitamin. '''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;TTE&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#0000FF&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 09:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Double on the route where caught? ==<br /> <br /> I read somewhere (a long time ago, I forget now) that when training a Pokémon on the same route or other map area where you caught it, it will receive double the normal amount of EVs. Does anyone know if this is true?<br /> :I know that in Crystal, it raised happiness by like, double or something. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 02:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a apecific stat? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Jmath'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Talk'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == EV ==<br /> <br /> Is it possible to check how many EVs are there for a a specific stat? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Jmath'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Talk'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> * If you know the IVs, you can come pretty damn close. But otherwise, no. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 21:43, 20 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Is there any way you can max out a specific stat without the use of vitamins? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Jmath'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Talk'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 13:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Yes. Extra EV training can make up for no vitamin usage. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 18:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::How do you do that? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Jmath'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Talk'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 19:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::All 252 (255) EVs would have to come from battling. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Does that mean you have to battle continuously? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Jmath'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Talk'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 18:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::Yep. So if you wanted to raise Sp Attack EVs, you'd battle something like Budew 252 times (Budew gives out one Sp Attack EV, I think) [[User:Tina|Tina]]&lt;sup&gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Unless you have the 'rus and a Macho Brace. &lt;span style=&quot;background:#FF9030&quot;&gt;'''[[User:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FF0000&quot;&gt;''TTE''&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;chidna&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt;{{ani|155|Fire echy}}&lt;span style=&quot;background:#664444&quot;&gt;[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFD700&quot;&gt;G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E0E0E0&quot;&gt;S&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;DS!&lt;/span&gt;]]'''&lt;/span&gt; 00:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> What about Emerald? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Jmath'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Talk'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 06:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I think (THINK!) it is more or less the same. &lt;span style=&quot; background:#000000&quot;&gt;'''&lt;sc&gt;[[User:Optimus35|&lt;font color=blue&gt;Ph34r4ever]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|&lt;font color=navy&gt;Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|&lt;span class=&quot;buttonlink&quot; title=&quot;GeminiSpark!&quot;&gt;♊&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/sc&gt;'''&lt;/span&gt; 07:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::But how do you know battling which Pokémon raises which EV? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Jmath'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Talk'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 07:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Ask TTE. He knows (almost) everything! &lt;span style=&quot; background:#000000&quot;&gt;'''&lt;sc&gt;[[User:Optimus35|&lt;font color=blue&gt;Ph34r4ever]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|&lt;font color=navy&gt;Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|&lt;span class=&quot;buttonlink&quot; title=&quot;GeminiSpark!&quot;&gt;♊&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;]]&lt;/sc&gt;'''&lt;/span&gt; 07:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::(edit conflict) Or ask me!<br /> :::There's a list linked on the article here, and other lists across the 'web as well. Generally, Pokémon will give EVs to stats they're strong in themselves (Zubat's Speed stat is it's strongest, so it gives out 1 EV to Speed when you defeat it). There are some exceptions, but that's generally how it works out.<br /> :::For training in a specific stat, generally you just look at a list of Pokémon by EV reward, find ones that are fairly common, and track down a spot where you can find them easily. For example, Fearow and Raticate both give 2 EVs to Attack, and the area just North of the Fight Area in D/P is full of Fearow and Raticate; if you were planning to train for Attack, that would be the easiest place to train (fighting Fearow and Raticate, and running from anything else). Is that what you meant to ask? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt; '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''&gt;'''&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[user talk:Jioruji Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt;''.cнаt'''''^'''&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 07:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Could you give me a link to any of those websites? And could you also tell me how to raise Special Attack in Emerald (that's what I'm playing now)?<br /> :::::For one, [[List of Pokémon by effort value yield]] is right here, simply sort by the Sp. Atk. column, which will put anything with more then a zero at the top (keep an eye out for some Pokémon that raise multiple stats at once, they can mess up your math).<br /> :::::In Emerald, let's see... Sp. Atk. is something I've trained before, let me check my notes. *runs off*<br /> :::::...I trained on [[Route 113]], [[Spinda]]s and [[Slugma]]s each give out 1 point towards Sp. Atk. stat. Flee from [[Skarmory]], they give out 2 points towards Def. stat (Skarmory are pretty rare anyways). MAKE SURE you mark down each Spinda/Slugma you defeat, there's nothing more annoying then losing count after number 134! And don't forget to save every so often too.<br /> :::::One more note, if you didn't already know, Exp. Share shares EVs too, so if you need to train two Pokémon for Sp. Atk., give one of them an Exp. Share and it'll gain the EVs from battling too. It won't get the benefit of a Macho Brace or anything if your first Pokémon has one, though.<br /> :::::...last note, training there is a great way to collect Soot on the route while you're at it. ;D --[[user:Jioruji_Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt; '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''&gt;'''&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[user talk:Jioruji Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt;''.cнаt'''''^'''&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 00:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> One more thing....is there any other way to get Attack EVs without having to battle Carvanha? (I can't find that thing anywhere!!!) [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Jmath'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #336699&quot;&gt;'''Talk'''&lt;/span&gt;]][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 14:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> I was wondering if somebody could please explain something for me... sorry if I'm slow to pick it up, I only found out about EVs a little while ago (so yeah, I played my way through the games ignorant of them), but I'm having trouble understanding how EVs actually become stat points. I understand how you accumulate EVs, but at what point, and how, do these become stat points? I originally assumed that it was instant (i.e., you get four EVs in a particular stat, that becomes a stat point for that stat) but from reading the rest of the discussion on this page, that doesn't seem to be the case. Someone also mentioned resetting EV values... that confused me too :S <br /> If there's a clearer explanation of how this works somewhere else, I'd really appreciate it if someone could direct me to it.<br /> Thanks- Timothy.<br /> <br /> ==Lv 100 Pokemon==<br /> Sigh.. my brother wanted to make a Latias he got stronger. The Latias was Lv100, so he gave the berries that lower EVs in ATTACK, so he could give extra Sp.Atk to his Latias, but when he went to train, the Latias did NOT receive any EV after battling (he tried doing the box trick so the game would recalculate the EVs, but the Sp.Atk didn't rise). So here is the question: Can a Lv 100 Pokemon receive EVs? '''[[User:Hfc2x|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008800&quot;&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;fc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Hfc2x|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008800&quot;&gt;X&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 18:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :No, you can't EV train at 100. [[User:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E75480;&quot;&gt;Tina&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E75480;&quot;&gt;☆&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Tina|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#E75480;&quot;&gt;♫&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::What about in Generation III? I've heard many conflicting stories about Level 100 Pokémon in Generation III receiving/not receiving experience and EVs. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 02:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I'm positive that without actually leveling up, the Pokémon won't gain any EVs. I believe the previous versions allowed players to deposit a Pokémon into a storage box, then withdraw, which would re-count the EVs... but this isn't in Gen.III, I'm 99% sure. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt; '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''&gt;'''&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[user talk:Jioruji Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt;''.cнаt'''''^'''&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 03:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::And what about pokémon that I already use vitamins? I mean because if you use medicine on them until it gets to &quot;It won't have any effect&quot;, can you still train them? '''[[User:Hfc2x|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008800&quot;&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;fc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Hfc2x|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008800&quot;&gt;X&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 19:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Vitamins cap out at 100 EVs (10 EVs per item), so when the Vitamins stop working, there's still 155 EVs left that you can do in that stat.<br /> :::In Gen.IV at least, I know Vitamins won't actually help you out training a level 100 Pokémon, if that's your question, since Vitamins grant EVs, and you'll need to level up to gain the effects. Just an FYI. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt; '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''&gt;'''&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[user talk:Jioruji Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt;''.cнаt'''''^'''&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 09:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Eheh, he tried the box trick? That's only in the original Game Boys, not the Advance. So the trick won't work: 0.00000000000001% chance of it working. Good luck. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|&lt;span class=&quot;explain&quot; title=&quot;Optimus35&quot;&gt;&lt;sc&gt;Θρtιmαtum♏&lt;/sc&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]&lt;/sup&gt;''09:45 21 May 2008'''''<br /> ::If this is any evidence for or against the idea, I once made a mistake in EV training my Donphan--It was Level 50 with 196/140 HP/Attack instead of the 197/141 I wanted. I deleted its EVs, re-trained it WITHOUT LEVELLING IT UP, and deposited it into the PC. Donphan is still Level 50 and now has 197/141 HP/Attack. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Which game were you playing exactly? --[[user:Jioruji_Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt; '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''&gt;'''&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;small&gt;[[user talk:Jioruji Derako|&lt;font color=&quot;#237d00&quot;&gt;''.cнаt'''''^'''&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt; 05:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Sorry. It was Diamond. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 22:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::The box trick works in Gen III too. I've done it many times, but just for fun because I know it's the same as leveling up. But I was wondering if you could do it with lv 100 pokemon too, because it's still possible with other pokemon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008800&quot;&gt;h&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;fc&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:Hfc2x|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#008800&quot;&gt;X&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 00:48, 23 May 2008 (UTC)</div>

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