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Totodile (Pokémon)

2022-08-26T12:31:48Z

Thoren: Made Masters location category consistent with other pages, like Lugia's and Suicune's.

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'''Totodile''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ワニノコ''' ''Waninoko'') is a {{type|Water}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} introduced in [[Generation II]].

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s into {{p|Croconaw}} starting at [[level]] 18, which evolves into {{p|Feraligatr}} starting at level 30.

Along with {{p|Chikorita}} and {{p|Cyndaquil}}, Totodile is one of the three [[starter Pokémon]] of [[Johto]] available at the beginning of [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Pokémon Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, and SoulSilver]].

==Biology==
Totodile is a bipedal, {{wp|Crocodylia|crocodilian}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} with well-developed jaws. It has red eyes with ridges above them, black markings around its eyes, and several sharp teeth. On its chest is a yellow, V-shaped marking that extends to its arms; there is a thin line through the center of the marking. Totodile has five fingers and three toes. Down its back is a row of three red spines with a small, red ridge on either side. The tip of its tail has a single red spine as well. Totodile tends to be playful by nature and has a habit of biting anything it sees, including its {{pkmn|Trainer}}. However, its jaws are capable of crushing anything, so it sometimes causes serious injuries. Totodile is scarce in the wild, though it can be found around bodies of water like {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Water's-edge Pokémon|rivers, ponds, and lakes}}.

==In the anime==
===Main series===
[[File:Ash Totodile.png‎|thumb|250px|Totodile in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
====Major appearances====
=====[[Ash's Totodile]]=====
In ''[[EP151|The Totodile Duel]]'', {{Ash}} {{pkmn2|caught}} a Totodile after battling for ownership over him with {{an|Misty}}. Totodile, who had a very playful personality, remained with him throughout Ash's {{pkmn|journey}} in the [[Johto]] [[region]], before Ash left him in {{an|Professor Oak}}'s [[Professor Oak's Laboratory|lab]] while leaving for [[Hoenn]].

=====[[Wani-Wani]]=====
Wani-Wani is {{jo|Marina}}'s [[starter Pokémon]] that she received from [[Professor Elm]]. It evolved into a Croconaw prior to ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'', and then into a Feraligatr prior to ''[[DP041|A Stand-Up Sit-Down!]]''.

=====[[Khoury's Totodile]]=====
[[Khoury]]'s Totodile appeared in ''[[DP143|An Egg Scramble!]]'', ''[[DP145|A Rivalry to Gible On!]]'' and ''[[DP147|Bagged Then Tagged!]]''. In the latter episode, it evolved into a {{p|Croconaw}}.

=====Other=====
Totodile made its debut in ''[[EP117|Don't Touch That 'dile]]'', where it was a prospective starter Pokémon offered by [[Professor Elm]]. It fled from his care and found {{TRT}}, whereupon it chomped down on [[Jessie]]'s hair. {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}} eventually managed to get Totodile back to Professor Elm.

In ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]'', a Totodile assisted Pikachu and the [[Spiky-eared Pichu]] in the distant past.

In ''[[M21|The Power of Us]]'', a Totodile was following [[Harriet]] around.

====Minor appearances====
In ''[[DP089|Up Close and Personable!]]'', a Totodile lived in the lake near the [[Pokémon Summer Academy]].

In ''[[PK24|Meloetta's Moonlight Serenade]]'', a Totodile watched {{an|Meloetta}}'s concert.

A Trainer's Totodile appeared in ''[[SM130|Battling Besties!]]''.

A Trainer's Totodile appeared in ''[[JN031|The Cuteness Quotient!]]''.

A Totodile appeared in a fantasy alongside the other [[starter Pokémon]] in ''[[JN046|Getting More Than You Battled For!]]''.

A Trainer's Totodile appeared in ''[[JN049|To Train, or Not to Train!]]''. It reappeared in ''[[JN087|Breaking the Ice!]]''.

In ''[[JN063|On Land, In the Sea, and to the Future!]]'', a Trainer's Totodile competed in the [[Marine Athletic Race]].

====Pokédex entries====
{{Animedexheader|Johto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP151|Totodile|Ash's Pokédex|Totodile, the Big Jaw Pokémon. Its highly developed jaw is so powerful, it can crush practically anything. Trainers beware: this Pokémon loves to use its teeth.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|Johto}}
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP143|Totodile|Dawn's Pokédex|Totodile, the Big Jaw Pokémon. Totodile has a habit of using its highly developed jaws to chomp on anything in sight, so Trainers beware.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|Sinnoh}}

===GOTCHA!===
A Totodile briefly appeared in [[GOTCHA!]].

===Pokémon Evolutions===
In ''[[PE07|The Show]]'', a Totodile briefly appeared under the ownership of a {{pkmn|Trainer}} watching the [[Kimono Girl]]s' performance in [[Ecruteak City]].

==In the manga==
[[File:Silver Totodile Frustration.png|thumb|200px|Totodile in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
[[File:Gold Totodile Golden Boys.png|thumb|200px|Totodile in [[Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys]]]]
===Ash & Pikachu===
{{main|Ash's Totodile}}
{{Ash}}'s Totodile appeared in ''[[SP10|The Grand Rhydon Plan]]''.

===Magical Pokémon Journey===
In [[Magical Pokémon Journey]], {{MPJ|Pikachu}} and {{MPJ|Clefairy}} meet a Totodile in ''[[PPP56|The Happiness Clover]]''. Totodile tricks Pikachu and Clefairy into finding him a four-leaf clover, though in the end he admits to tricking them and they become friends.

===Pocket Monsters HGSS Jō's Big Adventure===
{{main|Jō's Totodile}}
[[Jō]] owns a Totodile as his [[starter Pokémon]] in [[Pocket Monsters HGSS Jō's Big Adventure]]. It eventually evolved into a Croconaw and then into a Feraligatr.

===Pokémon Adventures===
{{main|Silver's Totodile}}
{{adv|Silver}} stole a Totodile from [[Professor Elm]]'s lab in ''[[PS093|Sneasel Sneak Attack]]'', though it first appeared in ''[[PS091|Murkrow Row]]''. He was then able to evolve into a Croconaw after destroying a built-in iron ball trap with [[Exbo]]'s help, but being left in a coma after his Trainer and {{adv|Gold}}'s defeat against the [[Masked Man]] left him unable to evolve until the fight with an outraged {{p|Lugia}} enticed all three of the [[Johto]] [[starter Pokémon]] to evolve. With his increased strength and {{m|Surf}} ability, he is the major mainstay of Silver's team.

===Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys===
{{main|Gold's Totodile}}
Totodile is {{OBP|Gold|Golden Boys}}'s [[starter Pokémon]], which evolved into Croconaw in ''[[GB10|A Huge Mysterious Tree!!]]''.

===Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blazing Exploration Team===
In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blazing Exploration Team]], the main character is a Totodile who teams up with a {{p|Chimchar}} named [[Honō]] to form Team Blaze.

===Pokémon Pocket Monsters===
{{OBP|Silver|Pocket Monsters}} has a Totodile, which he received from {{OBP|Professor Oak|Pocket Monsters}} in ''[[PM062|Welcome Back, Clefairy!!]]''.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Totodile (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]] and [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]===
Totodile was the only Generation II starter Pokémon to appear only as a random trophy, not in a Poké Ball.

====Melee trophy information====
''"Little but feisty is the best description for these Water-type Pokémon. The first thing they do when they see something move is latch onto it with their powerful jaws. Totodile was one of the three Pokémon that [[Professor Elm]] offered to Trainers in [[Generation II|Pokémon Gold, Silver, and Crystal]]. They evolve into {{p|Croconaw}}."''

====Brawl trophy information====
''"A Big Jaw Pokémon. This alligator-like Pokémon stands on two legs. It has a small body but an impressive jaw that boasts potent bite power. It can do serious damage to someone even if it's just playing. Its tendency to chomp down on anything that moves in front of it means Trainers have to be extra cautious around it. When it levels up, it evolves into Croconaw."''

===''{{mov|Detective Pikachu}}''===
A Totodile appeared in ''{{mov|Detective Pikachu}}''.

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* {{g|Pinball: Ruby & Sapphire}}: Totodile will sometimes come down on a rope to replace the Egg on the Ruby Field in place of {{p|Aerodactyl}}.

===Pokédex entries===
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{{Dex/Gen/1|gen=II|reg1=Johto|num1=007}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Gold|entry=Its well-developed jaws are powerful and capable of crushing anything. Even its trainer must be careful.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Silver|entry=It is small but rough and tough. It won't hesitate to take a bite out of anything that moves.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Crystal|entry=This rough critter chomps at any moving object it sees. Turning your back on it is not recommended.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium 2|t=FFF|color=000|entry=Its well-developed jaws are powerful and capable of crushing anything. Even its Trainer must be careful.}}
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{{Dex/Entry2|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|entry=Despite the smallness of its body, Totodile's jaws are very powerful. While the Pokémon may think it is just playfully nipping, its bite has enough power to cause serious injury.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|entry=Despite its small body, Totodile's jaws are very powerful. While it may think it is just playfully nipping, its bite has enough strength to cause serious injury.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=FireRed|entry=It is small but rough and tough. It won't hesitate to take a bite out of anything that moves.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=LeafGreen|entry=Its well-developed jaws are powerful and capable of crushing anything. Even its Trainer must be careful.}}
|}
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{{Dex/Gen/2|gen=IV|reg1=Sinnoh|reg2=Johto|num2=007}}
{{Dex/Entry3|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl|v3=Platinum|entry=It has the habit of biting anything with its developed jaws. Even its Trainer needs to be careful.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=HeartGold|entry=Its well-developed jaws are powerful and capable of crushing anything. Even its trainer must be careful.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=SoulSilver|entry=It is small but rough and tough. It won't hesitate to take a bite out of anything that moves.}}
|}
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{{Dex/Gen/1|gen=V|reg1=Unova}}
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{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=Its powerful, well-developed jaws are capable of crushing anything. Even its Trainer must be careful.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t=fff|t2=fff|entry=Despite the smallness of its body, Totodile's jaws are very powerful. While the Pokémon may think it is just playfully nipping, its bite has enough power to cause serious injury.}}
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{{Dex/Gen/2|gen=VII|reg1=Alola|reg2=Kanto}}
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{{Dex/Entry2|v=Brilliant Diamond|v2=Shining Pearl|entry=It has a habit of biting everything with its well-developed jaws. Even its Trainer needs to be careful.}}
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{{Dex/Footer}}

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====In events====
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{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev2|GSC}}|Gotta Catch 'Em All Station! Submission Totodile|English|United States|5|December 28, 2001 to January 31, 2002; January 17 to 23, 2003|link=List of PCNY event Pokémon distributions (Generation II)#Submission Totodile}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev2|GSC}}|Pokémon Center Mystery Egg #3 Submission Totodile|Japanese|Japan|5|April 27 to May 12, 2002|link=List of Japanese event Pokémon distributions (Generation II)#Totodile}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSEFRLG}}|Gather More Pokémon! Second Campaign Totodile|Japanese|Japan|10|December 9, 2005 to January 10, 2006|link=List of Gather More Pokémon! Campaign event Pokémon#Totodile}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|Pokémon Lab Totodile|Japanese region|Online|5|December 23, 2015 to May 9, 2016 July 16 to October 31, 2016|link=List of Japanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions (Generation VI)#Totodile}}
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===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=water
|gsc1=Berry (item){{!}}Berry|gsc1type=None|gsc1rar=100|gsc1image=no
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===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats
|type=water
|HP= 50
|Attack= 65
|Defense=64
|SpAtk= 44
|SpDef= 48
|Speed= 43}}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Water
|Speed=3
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=2
|TechniqueMax=3
|Stamina=2
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=water
|Normal= 100
|Fighting=100
|Flying= 100
|Poison= 100
|Ground= 100
|Rock= 100
|Bug= 100
|Ghost= 100
|Steel= 50
|Fire= 50
|Water= 50
|Grass= 200
|Electric=200
|Psychic= 100
|Ice= 50
|Dragon= 100
|Dark= 100
|Fairy= 100}}

===Learnset===
Totodile is available in {{pkmn|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}.

====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/8|Totodile|Water|Water|2}}
{{learnlist/level8|1|Scratch|Normal|Physical|40|100|35||}}
{{learnlist/level8|1|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30||}}
{{learnlist/level8|6|Water Gun|Water|Special|40|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level8|8|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/level8|13|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25||}}
{{learnlist/level8|15|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/level8|20|Ice Fang|Ice|Physical|65|95|15||}}
{{learnlist/level8|22|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/level8|27|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/level8|29|Low Kick|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/level8|34|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/level8|36|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40||}}
{{learnlist/level8|41|Thrash|Normal|Physical|120|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/level8|43|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level8|48|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5||}}
{{learnlist/level8|50|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|110|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf/8|Totodile|Water|Water|2}}

====By [[TM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/8|Totodile|Water|Water|2}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM01|Focus Punch|Fighting|Physical|150|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM03|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM10|Work Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM23|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM49|Scald|Water|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM58|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM82|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|85|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM93|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM95|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM99|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tmf/8|Totodile|Water|Water|2}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/8|Totodile|Water|Water|2}}
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===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{tcg water color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{tcg water color}}"
! Move
! Card
|- style="background:#fff"
| {{m|Fury Swipes}}
| [[Totodile (Neo Genesis 81)]]
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{m|Stomp}}
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[Totodile (McDonald Pack 8)]]
|}

====[[Anime move errors|Anime-only moves]]====
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{water color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{water color}}"
|-
! Move
! Type
! Episode
|-
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{m|Tackle}}
| style="background:#fff" | {{typecolor|Normal}}
| style="background:#fff; {{roundybr|5px}}" | ''[[EP174|Imitation Confrontation]]''
|}

===Side game data===
{{Spindata/Head|type=Water}}
{{Spindata/PinballRS|col=3|type=Water|ndex=158|acquisition=Catch}}
{{Spindata/Trozei|col=3|type=Water|ndex=158|rarity=Common}}
|-
{{Spindata/MDRB|col=6|type=Water|ndex=158
|body=1
|rate=11.4
|area=Rub-a-Dub River
|P1=Can I bite? Can I really bite?
|P2=Oh, sheesh. I only have half my HP left.
|P3=I'm fainting... I don't have the power to bite...
|PL=I did it! I leveled up!
|Partner=yes
|PP1=Let's give it our best shot, <name>!
|PP2=Ouch... I'm starting to hurt.
|PP3=I can't take much more... I need help, <name>...
|PPL=Yeah! Leveled!
}}
|-
{{Spindata/MDTDS|col=6|type=Water|ndex=158
|body=1
|rate=8.2
|IQ=E
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Ranger|col=6|type=Water
|group=Water
|assist=Water
|fieldpower=1
|field=Soak
|loop=4
|MinEXP=18
|MaxEXP=28
|num=073
|browser=Totodile powerfully spits blobs of water. It may squirt them in succession.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Ranger GS|col=6|type=Water
|group=Water
|assist=Water
|field=Soak
|fieldpower=1
|num=090
|pastnum=019
|browser=It shoots orbs of water to attack.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/RumbleBlast|col=6|type=Water
|att=2
|def=2
|speed=3
}}
|-
{{Spindata/RumbleRush|col=6|type=Water|ndex=158
|walk=2.08
|hp=48
|attack=69
|defense=50
|speed=60
}}
|-
{{Spindata/PokéPark|col=6|type=Water|ndex=158
|Pad=Totodile often plays in the [[Beach Zone]]. He likes {{DL|Attractions|Rayquaza's Balloon Panic}} the most!}}
|-
{{Spindata/Battle Trozei|col=6|type=Water|ndex=158
|power=1
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Shuffle|col=3|type=Water|ndex=158|num=585
|min=50
|max=120
|raisemaxlevel=15
|skill=Rock Break+
|skilldesc=Sometimes destroys three breakable-rock disruptions.
}}
{{Spindata/Shuffle|col=3|type=Water|ndex=158Winking|num=585
|min=50
|max=100
|raisemaxlevel=5
|skill=Swap+
|skilldesc=Sometimes replaces three disruptions with this Pokémon.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/GO|col=6|type=Water|ndex=158
|buddy=3
|candy=Totodile
|hatch=N/A
|evocandy=25
|stamina=137
|attack=117
|defense=109
|fast={{m|Water Gun}}, {{m|Scratch}}
|special={{m|Crunch}}, {{m|Aqua Jet}}, {{m|Water Pulse}}
}}
|}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-3
|type1=Water
|no1=158
|name1=Totodile
|type1-1=Water
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 18}}
|no2=159
|name2=Croconaw
|type1-2=Water
|evo2={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 30}}
|no3=160
|name3=Feraligatr
|type1-3=Water
}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=water}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=II}}
{{Spritebox/2|ndex=158}}
{{Spritebox/3|ndex=158}}
{{Spritebox/4|ndex=158}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=158}}
{{Spritebox/6|ndex=158}}
{{Spritebox/7|ndex=158}}
{{Spritebox/8/HOME|ndex=158}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|158|Totodile}}

==Trivia==

===Origin===
Totodile appears to be based on a baby {{wp|Crocodilia|crocodilian}}. The yellow marking on its chest may be a reference to the yellow stripes on young {{wp|American alligator}}s.

====Name origin====
Totodile may be a combination of ''tot'' and ''{{wp|crocodile}}''.

Waninoko may be taken to mean 鰐の子 ''wani no ko'' (child of a crocodile/{{wp|alligator}}).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=water|type2=water
|ja=ワニノコ ''Waninoko''|jameaning=From {{tt|鰐の子 ''wani no ko''|child of a crocodile or alligator}}
|fr=Kaiminus|frmeaning=From ''{{wp|Caiman}}'' and ''{{tt|minuscule|tiny}}''
|es=Totodile|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Karnimani|demeaning=From ''{{tt|Karnivore|carnivore}}'' and ''{{tt|Kaiman|caiman}}''
|it=Totodile|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=리아코 ''Liako''|komeaning=From ''little'', {{tt|악어 (鰐魚) ''ageo''|crocodile, alligator}}, and {{tt|꼬마 ''kkoma''|little thing}}
|zh_cmn=小鋸鱷 / 小锯鳄 ''Xiǎojù'è''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|小 ''xiǎo''|small}}, {{tt|鋸 / 锯 ''jù''|saw}}, and {{tt|鱷魚 / 鳄魚 ''èyú''|crocodile, alligator}}
|zh_yue=小鋸鱷 ''Síugeuingohk''|zh_yuemeaning=From {{tt|小 ''síu''|small}}, {{tt|鋸 ''geui''|saw}}, and {{tt|鱷魚 ''ngohkyùh''|crocodile, alligator}}
|el=Τότονταϊλ ''Tótodail''|elmeaning=From English name
|he=טוטודייל ''Totodayil''|hemeaning=Transcription of English name
|hi=टोटोडाइल ''Totodile''|himeaning=Transcription of English name
|ru=Тотодайл ''Totodayl''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name
|th=วานิโนโกะ ''Waninoko''|thmeaning=Transcription of Japanese name
}}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Ash's Totodile]]
* [[Wani-Wani]]
* [[Khoury's Totodile]]
* [[Silver's Totodile]]
* [[Gold's Totodile]]
* [[Jō's Totodile]]
* [[Totodile (Blazing Exploration Team)]]
* [[Starter Pokémon]]
* [[Partner Pokémon (Mystery Dungeon)]]

==External links==
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{{Starter Pokémon|water‎}}
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{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Water}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Water|species=Totodile|prevnum=157|prev=Typhlosion|nextnum=159|next=Croconaw|round=yes}}
|}
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{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Starter Pokémon|158]]
[[Category:Mystery Dungeon starters|158]]
[[Category:Anime starter Pokémon|Totodile (default)]]

[[de:Karnimani]]
[[es:Totodile]]
[[fr:Kaiminus]]
[[it:Totodile]]
[[ja:ワニノコ]]
[[zh:小锯鳄]]

Suicune (Pokémon)

2022-08-26T12:29:28Z

Thoren: Added Masters location

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{{Pokémon Infobox
|name=Suicune
|jname=スイクン
|tmname=Suicune
|jtranslit=Suikun
|category=Aurora
|type1=Water
|abilityn=d
|ability1=Pressure
|abilityd=Inner Focus
|abilityold=Water Absorb
|abilityoldcaption=Hidden Ability Gen. V-VI{{tt|*|Suicune with this Ability was never made available legitimately.}}
|ndex=245
|height-ftin=6'07"
|height-m=2.0
|weight-lbs=412.3
|weight-kg=187.0
|egggroupn=0
|egggroup1=No Eggs Discovered
|gendercode=255
|eggcycles=80
|evtotal=3
|evde=1
|evsd=2
|expyield=261
|oldexp=215
|lv100exp=1,250,000
|color=Blue
|catchrate=3
|body=08
|pokefordex=suicune
|generation=2
|friendship=35
}}
'''Suicune''' (Japanese: '''スイクン''' ''Suicune'') is a {{type|Water}} [[Legendary Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation II]].

It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon.

Along with {{p|Raikou}} and {{p|Entei}}, it is one of the [[Legendary beasts]] resurrected by {{p|Ho-Oh}} after the burning of the [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]]. Of the three Legendary beasts, Suicune is said to represent the rains that quenched the flames of the burning Brass Tower.

Suicune is the [[game mascot]] of {{game|Crystal}}, appearing on the boxart.

Suicune is pursued in the {{pkmn|anime}}, [[Pokémon Adventures]], {{game|Crystal}}, and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} by [[Eusine]].

==Biology==
Suicune is a slim, quadrupedal, blue, mammalian {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} with white, diamond-shaped markings. Its face and underside are white as well. Suicune has a thick, purple mane that resembles the {{wp|aurora borealis}} and two white, streamer-like tails that wave forward. It has a long, white snout. Suicune has a large, hexagonal, cerulean blue crest on its forehead with two prongs on either side of the base. It has red eyes, a small tuft of fur under its chin, and small paws with white paw pads.

Suicune has the power to walk across water and purify dirty water with one touch. It travels across {{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Grassland Pokémon|grasslands}} in search of water to purify by following the north wind. Northern winds always seem to blow stronger in its presence. In {{game|Crystal}}, Suicune is said to be the closest of the [[Legendary beasts]] to {{p|Ho-Oh}}. It is also said to have a link to the {{p|Unown}}. [[DP028|In the anime]], Suicune is heroic, serious, and calm during dangerous situations. Suicune is believed to be both the embodiment of the north winds and compassion of pure spring waters.

==In the anime==
===Main series===
====Major appearances====
[[File:Goh Suicune.png|thumb|left|250px|Suicune in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
[[File:Suicune M13.png|thumb|250px|{{Shiny}} Suicune in the anime]]
=====Suicune (recurring)=====
Suicune made its debut in ''[[EP117|Don't Touch That 'dile]]'', where {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}} first encountered one as they were heading towards [[New Bark Town]]. Suicune was seen standing on a small island in a lake, appearing as a mysterious silhouette of blue energy. At first, Ash did not understand what Pokémon it was and wanted to {{pkmn2|caught|catch}} it. However, Suicune leaped into the fog and vanished as soon as Ash made an attempt to {{pkmn|battle}} it.

The same Suicune reappeared in ''[[EP227|For Ho-Oh the Bells Toll!]]''. After {{TRT}} had removed the [[Clear Bell|Crystal Bells]] from {{ci|Ecruteak}}'s [[Bell Tower|Tin Tower]], many {{type|Bug}} Pokémon invaded the city. They wrapped [[Jessie]], [[James]] and {{MTR}} in a {{m|String Shot}} and blocked off the entry to the Tin Tower. Suicune appeared in a mystical blue light and calmed the [[wild Pokémon]] down. Seeing the [[Legendary Pokémon]], [[Jessie]] had {{TP|Jessie|Arbok}} launch a {{m|Poison Sting}}, but Suicune evaded the attack and sent Team Rocket blasting off with an {{m|Aurora Beam}}.

[[Eusine]] wanted to catch Suicune and sent out his {{p|Alakazam}} to battle it. Alakazam used {{m|Disable}}, but Suicune easily blocked it with a {{m|Mirror Coat}}. It then used {{m|Roar}} to send Alakazam back into its {{i|Poké Ball}} and fled from the area before Eusine could even react. The brief encounter led Eusine to pursue Suicune, in the hopes of seeing it again one day.

Its known moves are {{m|Aurora Beam}}, {{m|Mirror Coat}}, and {{m|Roar}}.

=====[[Suicune (M04)]]=====
In ''[[M04|Celebi: The Voice of the Forest]]'', a Suicune participated in the battle against Dark {{OBP|Celebi|M04}}. It also demonstrated its ability to purify water.

====={{DL|Legendary beasts (M13)|Suicune|Suicune (M13)}}=====
A {{Shiny}} Suicune appeared with the other members of its [[Legendary beasts|trio]] in ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''.

=====[[Goh's Suicune]]=====
In ''[[JN053|Healing the Healer!]]'', {{Ash}} and [[Goh]] encountered a Suicune that was being targeted by a group of {{OBP|Pokémon hunters|JN053}}. Goh {{pkmn2|caught}} Suicune in order to save and heal it. In the end, even though the hunters were arrested and Goh attempted to {{pkmn2|released|release}} Suicune, it chose to remain under his ownership.

=====Other=====
[[File:Sugimori Suicune AG.jpg|thumb|250px|[[Ken Sugimori|Sugimori]] reference sheet for the anime]]
In ''[[DP028|Drifloon on the Wind!]]'', a Suicune had befriended [[Marnie and Paige]], the daughters of a [[Nurse Joy]]. It saved Ash and Paige's lives when they fell into a deep canyon.

====Minor appearances====
A Suicune appeared in the opening sequence of ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]''.

A Suicune appeared in the opening sequence of ''[[M08|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]''.

In the opening sequence of ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'', a Suicune roared and jumped off a mountain.

A Suicune appeared in the opening sequence of ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]''.

A Suicune appeared in the opening sequence of ''[[M19|Volcanion and the Mechanical Marvel]]''.

In ''[[M20|I Choose You!]]'', [[Verity]] spotted a Suicune.

====Pokédex entries====
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP028|Suicune|Ash's Pokédex|Suicune, the Aurora Pokémon. It travels the {{pkmn|world}} and purifies water wherever it goes, sailing on the north wind.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|Sinnoh}}

===Pokémon Generations===
[[File:Suicune PG.png|thumb|250px|Suicune in [[Pokémon Generations]]]]
A {{pkmn2|wild}} Suicune appeared in [[Ecruteak City]] in ''[[PG06|The Reawakening]]''. It first appeared during a flashback about the creation of the [[legendary beasts]], then it briefly appeared before [[Eusine]] in the present day.

===GOTCHA!===
A Suicune briefly appeared as a silhouette in [[GOTCHA!]].
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==In the manga==
[[File:Misty Suicune Adventures.png|thumb|200px|Suicune in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===Movie adaptations===
{{main|Suicune (M04)}} ''and [[Legendary beasts (M13)|Suicune (M13)]]''
Two different Suicune appeared in the {{ma|Celebi: a Timeless Encounter|manga}} {{ma|Zoroark: Master of Illusions|adaptations}} of the [[M04|fourth]] and [[M13|thirteenth]] [[Pokémon movie]]s.

===Pocket Monsters HGSS===
A Suicune appeared in [[PMHGSS04]] and [[PMHGSS05]].

===Pocket Monsters HGSS Jō's Big Adventure===
A Suicune appeared in [[JBA3]].

===Pokémon Adventures===
{{main|Legendary beasts (Adventures)#Suicune|Suicune (Adventures)}}
{{spoilers}}
Suicune first appeared as a beam of light in ''[[PS117|Slugging It Out With Slugma]]''. Its first proper appearance was in ''[[PS122|Querulous Qwilfish]]''. It was revealed in ''[[PS141|Hello, Lickitung]]'' that {{adv|Yellow}} had unintentionally freed the Legendary beasts from their imprisonment at the [[Burned Tower]], from which they then left to {{pkmn2|roaming|roam}} [[Johto]] and [[Kanto]] in search for a {{pkmn|Trainer}} to team up with in the battle against the [[Masked Man]]. Despite both [[Eusine]] and {{adv|Crystal}} pursuing Suicune and attempting to catch it, Suicune eventually chose [[Misty]] as its Trainer after battling her at [[Tohjo Falls]]. After the Masked Man was defeated, Suicune returned to the {{pkmn2|wild}}.
{{endspoilers}}

In ''[[PS127|Miltank Melee]]'', a {{p|Ditto}} {{m|transform}}ed into a Suicune to distract Crystal and Eusine while [[Team Rocket Elite Trio|Ken, Al, and Harry]] surrounded the real one. Ditto's flexibility was able to grab both of them, but Crystal managed to escape after her [[Monlee]] defeated the Ditto.

In ''[[PS143|Irked Igglybuff and Curmudgeonly Cleffa]]'', an ice sculpture of a Suicune started to move in [[Mahogany Gym]] and battled [[Whitney]] and [[Pryce]]. In ''[[PS144|Savvy Swinub]]'', Pryce revealed that he had been using the sculpture for battle training.

[[File:Goh Suicune JNM.png|thumb|200px|Suicune in {{ma|Pokémon Journeys: The Series}}]]
===Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys===
A Suicune appeared in ''[[GB11|Gold and Black VS Team Rocket]]'' and ''[[GB12|The Legendary Pokémon]]''.

===Pokémon Gotta Catch 'Em All===
A Suicune first appeared in [[GDZ58]].

===Pokémon Journeys: The Series===
{{main|Goh's Suicune}}
[[Goh]] caught a Suicune in [[JNM16]], just like in the anime.

===Pokémon Pocket Monsters===
A Suicune appeared in ''[[PM088|Find the Legendary Pokémon!!]]''.
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==In the TCG==
{{main|Suicune (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
[[File:Pokkén Suicune.png|220px|thumb|Suicune in Pokkén Tournament]]
===[[Pokkén Tournament]]===
{{main|Suicune (Pokkén Tournament)}}
Suicune is a Standard-type playable character in Pokkén. Moves it can use include {{m|Aurora Beam}}, {{m|Hydro Pump}}, {{m|Mirror Coat}}, and {{m|Blizzard}}. In Burst Form, it can use the Burst Attack True {{m|Sheer Cold}}.

===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]/[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl]]/[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U|3DS/Wii U]]/[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate|Ultimate]]===
When released from a {{i|Poké Ball}}, Suicune unleashes a blast of {{m|Blizzard}} that causes high levels of damage. Suicune returns in Brawl but with a different [[move|attack]], {{m|Aurora Beam}}.

Suicune reappears in [[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U]], functioning the same as in Brawl. In these games, it can also be summoned from a [[Master Ball]].

Suicune reappears again in [[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]], functioning the same as in previous games. In this game, it can also be summoned from a Master Ball.
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====Melee trophy information====
''This mystical aurora Pokémon constantly journeys in search of places with pure flowing water. Suicune wields the power to instantly purify any contaminated water it finds. Some say Suicune is the north wind reborn. Its strange and dramatic story is told over the course of the Crystal version of the Pokémon game.''
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====Brawl trophy information====
''"An Aurora Pokémon. It has the power to instantly purify even the filthiest water. Suicune is said to be the reincarnation of the northern wind, so when it shows up, so does that wind. Suicune uses the move Aurora Beam--aurora light focused into a powerful beam. Along with inflicting damage, this attack also lowers the target's attack power."''
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====3DS/Wii U trophy information====
[[File:Suicune 3DS trophy SSB4.png|thumb|150px|Suicune trophy in ''Super Smash Bros. for 3DS'']]
'''NA''': ''A Legendary Pokémon that emerged from the ashes of the Burned Tower, Suicune is a Water-type Pokémon easily identified by its long, purple mane. In battle, it'll head toward a nearby fighter and fire an Aurora Beam all the way to the edge of the screen. If you get hit, you'll be frozen solid! ''

'''PAL''': ''Suicune is one of the Legendary Pokémon from the Burned Tower in Ecruteak City. Its mane is said to resemble an aurora floating over it. If summoned in battle, it'll make its way straight for a nearby fighter and unleash its Aurora Beam. The target, frozen in place, is unable to resist as it's blown off the stage. ''

===[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]===
Suicune appears as a {{sbw|Spirit}} alongside {{p|Entei}} and {{p|Raikou}}.
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==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* {{g|Crystal}}: It is possible to see Suicune multiple times on the overworld (specifically in [[Cianwood City]], outside [[Mt. Mortar]] on {{rt|42|johto}}, and on {{rt|36|johto}} just beside the gate to [[National Park]]) before the actual battle in the [[Tin Tower]]. In these occasions, it will always hop away on being spotted.
* {{g|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}: As in Crystal, Suicune will roam Johto and Kanto before finally battling the player. After being first seen in the [[Burned Tower]], it runs to [[Cianwood City]], {{rt|42|johto}}, [[Vermilion City#Harbor|Vermilion Harbor]], and {{rt|14|Kanto}} before becoming battleable at the end of {{rt|25|Kanto}} after defeating [[Misty]]. If it is not caught, Suicune can be found in the Burned Tower after entering the [[Hall of Fame]] again.
* {{g|Super Mystery Dungeon}}: Suicune first appears alongside {{p|Raikou}} up on [[Revelation Mountain]] where they confronted {{mdc|Krookodile|smd}} believing he turned {{p|Entei}} to stone but discovered {{p|Nuzleaf}} was responsible and was turned to stone. Suicune later helped the {{player}} and {{mdc|Partner Pokémon||partner}} escape from the [[Voidlands]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=Water}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=II}}
{{Dex/Gen/1|gen=II|reg1=Johto|num1=240}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Gold|entry=Said to be the reincarnation of north winds, it can instantly purify filthy, murky water.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Silver|entry=This Pokémon races across the land. It is said that north winds will somehow blow whenever it appears.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Crystal|entry=This divine Pokémon blows around the world, always in search of a pure reservoir.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Stadium 2|t=FFF|color=000|entry=Said to be the reincarnation of north winds, it can instantly purify filthy, murky water.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/2|gen=III|reg1=Hoenn|reg2=Kanto}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire|t=FFF|t2=FFF|entry=Suicune embodies the compassion of a pure spring of water. It runs across the land with gracefulness. This Pokémon has the power to purify dirty water.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Emerald|t=FFF|entry=Suicune embodies the compassion of a pure spring of water. It runs across the land with gliding elegance. It has the power to purify dirty water.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=FireRed|entry=This Pokémon races across the land. It is said that north winds will somehow blow whenever it appears.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=LeafGreen|entry=Said to be the reincarnation of north winds, it can instantly purify filthy, murky water.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/2|gen=IV|reg1=Sinnoh|reg2=Johto|num2=245}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Diamond|entry=It travels across the world to purify polluted water. It moves together with the north wind.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Pearl|entry=It races around the world to purify fouled water. It dashes away with the north wind.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Platinum|entry=It travels across the world to purify polluted water. It moves together with the north wind.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=HeartGold|entry=Said to be the embodiment of north winds, it can instantly purify filthy, murky water.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=SoulSilver|entry=This Pokémon races across the land. It is said that north winds will somehow blow whenever it appears.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/1|gen=V|reg1=Unova}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=It travels across the world to purify polluted water. It moves together with the north wind.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=It races around the world to purify fouled water. It dashes away with the north wind.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/2|gen=VI|reg1=Kalos|reg2=Hoenn}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=It races around the world to purify fouled water. It dashes away with the north wind.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=Said to be the embodiment of north winds, it can instantly purify filthy, murky water.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t=fff|t2=fff|entry=Suicune embodies the compassion of a pure spring of water. It runs across the land with gracefulness. This Pokémon has the power to purify dirty water.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/2|gen=VII|reg1=Alola|reg2=Kanto}}
{{Dex/NE|[[Generation VII]]}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen/3|gen=VIII|reg1=Galar|reg2=Sinnoh|reg3=Hisui}}
{{Dex/NE|[[Pokémon Sword and Shield|Sword, Shield]], and [[Pokémon Legends: Arceus|Legends: Arceus]]}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Brilliant Diamond|v2=Shining Pearl|entry=It races around the world to purify fouled water. It dashes away with the north wind.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=Water}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=II}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=II}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Gold|v2=Silver|area={{pkmn2|Roaming}} [[Johto]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Crystal|area=[[Bell Tower|Tin Tower]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Ruby|v2=Sapphire}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Emerald}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=FireRed|v2=LeafGreen|area={{pkmn2|Roaming}} [[Kanto]] (if the {{player}} [[Starter Pokémon|chose]] {{p|Charmander}}) ([[List of in-game event Pokémon (FireRed and LeafGreen)#Suicune|only one]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Colosseum|area=[[The Under]] {{color2|{{shadow color}}|Shadow Pokémon|(Shadow)}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=XD|link=Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Diamond|v2=Pearl}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Platinum}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|area={{rt|25|Kanto}} [[Burned Tower]]{{tt|*|Rematch if Suicune faints or the player runs away}}}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Black|v2=White|area=[[Poké Transfer]] [[Relocator]] ({{Shiny}} {{DL|List of Nintendo event Pokémon with in-game effects|Suicune|event Suicune}} only)}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|area=[[Poké Transfer]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=X|v2=Y}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t=fff|t2=fff|area=[[Trackless Forest]] (requires {{p|Ho-Oh}} or {{p|Lugia}} in the party) ([[List of in-game event Pokémon (Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire)#Suicune|only one]])}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Sun|v2=Moon|area=[[Trade]]}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Ultra Sun|v2=Ultra Moon|area=[[Ultra Space Wilds]] ({{DL|Ultra Space Wilds|Water World}}) (requires {{p|Raikou}} and {{p|Entei}} in party) ([[List of in-game event Pokémon (Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon)#Suicune|Only one]])}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Let's Go Pikachu|v2=Let's Go Eevee|area=Unobtainable}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VIII}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Sword|v2=Shield|area=[[Trade]]Version 1.3.0+}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Expansion Pass|color={{galar color}}|link=Pokémon Sword and Shield Expansion Pass|area=[[Max Lair]] ([[Dynamax Adventure]]) ([[List of in-game event Pokémon (Sword and Shield)#Suicune|Only one]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Brilliant Diamond|t=fff|link=Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl|area=[[Ramanas Park]] (requires [[Johto Slate]]) ([[List of in-game event Pokémon (Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl)#Suicune|only one]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Shining Pearl|link=Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Legends: Arceus|area=Unobtainable}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

====In side games====
{{Availability/Header|type=Water}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=II}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=II}}
{{Availability/NA/Side|gen=II}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=III}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Trozei!|color={{yellow color}}|area=Random Agent Cards, [[Mr. Who's Den]]}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Red|v2=MD Blue|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|area=[[Northwind Field]] (30F)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger|link=Pokémon Ranger (game)|area=[[Fiore Temple]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Time|v2=MD Darkness|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|area=[[Final Maze]] ({{tt|B29F|after unlocking the Marine Resort}})}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=MD Sky|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|area=[[Treacherous Waters]] (B10F-B19F; appears on random floor after accepting challenge letter)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=PokéPark Wii|color={{grass color}}|link=PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure|area=[[Iceberg Zone]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger: GS|color={{GS color}}|link=Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|area=[[Canal Ruins]], [[Rand's House]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Blast|color={{fire color}}|area=Lake: [[World Axle - B2F]] (Post-ending)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble U|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Flower Garden#The Garden at the End of Time|Flower Garden: The Garden at the End of Time]], [[Magical Lake#Let's Sing a Song|Magical Lake: Let's Sing a Song]] (Reward), [[Entranceway#Battle Royale - Cage Match|Entranceway: Battle Royale - Cage Match]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Battle Trozei|color={{defense color}}|area=[[Island of Haste#Stage 4|Island of Haste: Stage 4]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Shuffle|color={{beauty color}}|area=[[Expert Stages|Expert Stage: Stage EX15]] Event: ''[[Special Stages#Special Challenge|Suicune Appears]]''}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble World|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Gold Plateau#Purifying Pond|Gold Plateau: Purifying Pond]] (Special Boss)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Picross|color={{skill color light}}|area=[[Pokémon Picross Stages#Area 21|Area 21: Stage 10]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Rush|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Lugia Sea]], [[Charizard Sea]]2020, [[Rowlet Sea]]Final}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VIII}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=New Snap|link=New Pokémon Snap|color={{orange color light}}|area=[[Shiver Snowfields]]Night Level 2}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Cross}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Masters EX|color={{orange color}}|area=Limited {{DL|Sync pair|sync pair scout}} ([[Sygna Suit]] {{mas|Kris}}'s)}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=Water}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev2|GSC}}|Gotta Catch 'Em All Station! Suicune|English|United States|40{{shinystar|II}}|November 22 to 29, 2001; December 7 to 20, 2001; June 22 to 28, 2002; July 5 to 11, 2002; November 15 to 21, 2002|link=List of PCNY event Pokémon distributions (Generation II)#Shiny Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev2|GSC}}|Gotta Catch 'Em All Station! Suicune|English|United States|??|October 18 to 24, 2002|link=List of PCNY event Pokémon distributions (Generation II)#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSEFRLG}}|Journey Across America Suicune|English|United States|70|February 25 to July 23, 2006|link=List of Journey Across America event Pokémon distributions#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSEFRLG}}|Top 10 Distribution Suicune|English|United Kingdom|70|June 10, 2006; October 14 to November 19, 2006|link=List of English event Pokémon distributions (Generation III)#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSEFRLG}}|Top 10 Distribution Suicune|Italian|Italy|70|June 23 to 25, 2006|link=List of Italian event Pokémon distributions (Generation III)#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSEFRLG}}|Top 10 Distribution Suicune|Spanish|Spain|70|June 27 to August 27, 2006|link=List of Spanish event Pokémon distributions (Generation III)#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSEFRLG}}|Party of the Decade Suicune|English|United States|70|August 8, 2006|link=List of Party of the Decade event Pokémon distributions#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSEFRLG}}|Top 10 Distribution Suicune|German|Germany|70|September 24 to November 5, 2006|link=List of German event Pokémon distributions (Generation III)#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSEFRLG}}|Top 10 Distribution Suicune|French|France|70|September 26, 2006|link=List of French event Pokémon distributions (Generation III)#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev4|DPPtHGSS}}|Crown Suicune|Japanese|Japan|30[[File:ShinyIVStar.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|June 18 to August 31, 2010|link=List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions (Generation IV)#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev4|DPPtHGSS}}|Crown City Suicune|Korean|South Korea|30{{shinystar|IV}}|December 16, 2010 to January 9, 2011|link=List of local Korean event Pokémon distributions (Generation IV)#Crown City Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev4|DPPtHGSS}}|GameStop Suicune|English|North America|30{{shinystar|IV}}|January 31 to February 6, 2011|link=List of local English event Pokémon distributions (Generation IV)#GameStop Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev4|DPPtHGSS}}|Winter 2011 Suicune|English|Wi-Fi|30{{shinystar|IV}}|February 21 to 27, 2011|link=List of Wi-Fi English event Pokémon distributions (Generation IV)#Winter 2011 Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev4|DPPtHGSS}}|Winter 2011 Suicune|French|Wi-Fi|30{{shinystar|IV}}|February 21 to 27, 2011|link=List of Wi-Fi French event Pokémon distributions (Generation IV)#Winter 2011 Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev4|DPPtHGSS}}|Winter 2011 Suicune|German|Wi-Fi|30{{shinystar|IV}}|February 21 to 27, 2011|link=List of Wi-Fi German event Pokémon distributions (Generation IV)#Winter 2011 Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev4|DPPtHGSS}}|Winter 2011 Suicune|Italian|Wi-Fi|30{{shinystar|IV}}|February 21 to 27, 2011|link=List of Wi-Fi Italian event Pokémon distributions (Generation IV)#Winter 2011 Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev4|DPPtHGSS}}|Winter 2011 Suicune|Spanish|Wi-Fi|30{{shinystar|IV}}|February 21 to 27, 2011|link=List of Wi-Fi Spanish event Pokémon distributions (Generation IV)#Winter 2011 Suicune}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems|type=Water
|event1=Rowap Berry|event1type=Berry|event1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats
|type=Water
|HP=100
|Attack=75
|Defense=115
|SpAtk=90
|SpDef=115
|Speed=85}}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Water
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=3
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=4}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Water
|Normal=100
|Fighting=100
|Flying=100
|Poison=100
|Ground=100
|Rock=100
|Bug=100
|Ghost=100
|Steel=50
|Fire=50
|Water=50
|Grass=200
|Electric=200
|Psychic=100
|Ice=50
|Dragon=100
|Dark=100
|Fairy=100}}

===Learnset===
Suicune is available in {{pkmn|Sword and Shield}} Version 1.3.0+ and {{pkmn|Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl}}.

====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/8|Suicune|Water|Water|2}}
{{learnlist/level8|1|Sheer Cold|Ice|Special|—|30|5}}
{{learnlist/level8|1|Extreme Speed|Normal|Physical|80|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level8|1|Water Gun|Water|Special|40|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level8|1|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level8|1|Gust|Flying|Special|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level8|1|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level8|6|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level8|12|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level8|18|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level8|24|Roar|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level8|30|Ice Fang|Ice|Physical|65|95|15||}}
{{learnlist/level8|36|Tailwind|Flying|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level8|42|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level8|48|Extrasensory|Psychic|Special|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level8|54|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level8|60|Mirror Coat|Psychic|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level8|66|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level8|72|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|110|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level8|78|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf/8|Suicune|Water|Water|2}}

====By [[TM]]/[[TR]]====
{{gameabbrev8|SwSh}}
{{learnlist/tmh/8|Suicune|Water|Water|2}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM08|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM09|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM15|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM18|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM21|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM24|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM25|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM27|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM32|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM33|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM34|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM35|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM36|Whirlpool|Water|Special|35|85|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM39|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM40|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM41|Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM45|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM46|Weather Ball|Normal|Special|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM55|Brine|Water|Special|65|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM64|Avalanche|Ice|Physical|60|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM67|Ice Fang|Ice|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM76|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM81|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM85|Snarl|Dark|Special|55|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM95|Air Slash|Flying|Special|75|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR01|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR03|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|110|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR04|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR05|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR06|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR12|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR16|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR20|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR26|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR27|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR31|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR32|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR33|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR49|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR74|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR84|Scald|Water|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tr|TR98|Liquidation|Water|Physical|85|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tmf/8|Suicune|Water|Water|2}}

{{gameabbrev8|BDSP}}
{{learnlist/tmh/8|Suicune|Water|Water|2}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM03|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|90|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|110|70|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM23|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM49|Scald|Water|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM55|Brine|Water|Special|65|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM58|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM72|Avalanche|Ice|Physical|60|100|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM78|Snarl|Dark|Special|55|95|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM82|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM83|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|85|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM93|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM95|Surf|Water|Special|90|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM98|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15||}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM99|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm8|TM100|Rock Climb|Normal|Physical|90|85|20||}}
{{learnlist/tmf/8|Suicune|Water|Water|2}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/8|Suicune|Water|Water|2}}
{{learnlist/breed7null}}
{{learnlist/breedf/8|Suicune|Water|Water|2}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/8|Suicune|Water|Water|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor8null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/8|Suicune|Water|Water|2}}

====By [[transfer]] from another generation====
{{learnlist/prevgenh/8|Suicune|Water|Water|2}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Aqua Ring|Water|Status|—|—|20|IV=event}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Aurora Beam|Ice|Special|65|100|20|II=yes|III=yes|IV=yes|V=yes|VI=yes|VII=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Bubble Beam|Water|Special|65|100|20||'''|II=yes|III=yes|IV=yes|V=yes|VI=yes|VII=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20|VI=yes|VII=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10|II=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30|II=yes|V=yes|VI=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Detect|Fighting|Status|—|—|5|II=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|II=yes|III=yes|IV=yes|V=yes|VI=yes|VII=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|III=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|II=yes|III=yes|IV=yes|V=yes|VI=yes|VII=yes|x=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15|II=yes|IV=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15|II=yes|III=yes|IV=yes|V=yes|VI=yes|VII=yes|x=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Laser Focus|Normal|Status|—|—|30|VII=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|III=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|II=yes|III=yes|IV=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|IV=yes|x=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Ominous Wind|Ghost|Special|60|100|5|IV=yes|x=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|II=yes|III=yes|IV=yes|V=yes|VI=yes|VII=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Quash|Dark|Status|—|100|15|V=yes|VI=yes|VII=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|II=yes|III=yes|IV=yes|V=yes|VI=yes|VII=yes|x=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|II=yes|V=yes|VI=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|III=yes|IV=yes|VI=yes|x=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|IV=yes|V=yes|VI=yes|VII=yes|x=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|85|15|II=yes|III=yes|IV=yes|V=yes|VI=yes|VII=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgen8|Suicune|2|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10|II=yes|III=yes|IV=yes|V=yes|VI=yes|VII=yes}}
{{learnlist/prevgenf/8|Suicune|Water|Water|2}}

===Side game data===
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{{Spindata/Trozei|col=6|type=Water|ndex=245|rarity=Rare}}
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|body=1
|rate=0.1
|area=Sacred Field
|P1=Let us go! The north wind will be our ally!
|P2=This is serious... Half my HP has been expended already...
|P3=This is it... The power of the north wind fails to reach me...
|PL=I've leveled up! May the north wind empower me!
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|assist=Water
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|num=249
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}}
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|speed=3
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|-
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|Pad=Suicune sought out the PokéPark in order to see the aurora. Suicune is awesome at {{DL|Attractions|Empoleon's Snow Slide}}.
}}
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|power=4
|skill=True Strength
|skilldesc=Increases damage dealt when energy levels are half or less.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Shuffle|col=6|type=Water|ndex=245|num=154
|min=70
|max=110
|raisemaxlevel=5
|skill=Power of 5
|skilldesc=Increases damage when you make a match of five.
|swapper=Block Smash+, Chill, Freeze+
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|-
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|buddy=20
|candy=Suicune
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|stamina=225
|attack=180
|defense=235
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|special={{m|Hydro Pump}}, {{m|Bubble Beam}}, {{m|Water Pulse}}, {{m|Ice Beam}}{{tt|*|From February 1, 2019 onward}}, {{m|Frustration}}{{tt|‡|As Shadow Pokémon}}, {{m|Return}}{{tt|‡|As Purified Pokémon}}
}}
|-
{{Spindata/NewSnap|col=6|type=Water|ndex=245|pdex=182
|dex=Suicune is said to be the embodiment of north winds. True to its reputation, we saw it racing like wind across [[Shiver Snowfields|the snowfields]]. What an elegant sight to behold!}}
|}

===Evolution===
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|type1=Water
|pictype=art
|no1=245
|name1=Suicune
|type1-1=Water
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===Sprites===
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{{Spritebox/Footer|245|Suicune}}

==Trivia==
* Suicune, along with {{p|Raikou}} and {{p|Entei}}, was designed by [[Muneo Saitō]].<ref>http://kai-you.net/article/5034</ref>
* Suicune's number in the [[National Pokédex]] and the [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Johto Pokédex]] are the same: 245.
* Suicune is the only member of a [[Legendary trio]] to also be a [[game mascot]] while its fellow members are not.
* Suicune is the only [[Shadow Pokémon]] that can have a varying moveset. Normally knowing {{m|Surf}} if [[Snagging|snagged]] in [[The Under]] or [[Realgam Tower]], Suicune instead knows {{m|Hydro Pump}} if it is snagged in [[Deep Colosseum]].

===Origin===
When asked if Suicune was based on any particular animal, [[Muneo Saitō]] described Suicune's creation process to come together easily and fell into a motif that felt "{{wp|leopard}}-like".<ref>https://archive.vn/WfQab</ref><ref>https://archive.vn/xccqr</ref> This motif may have been a homage from {{wp|Fūjin}}, the Shinto god of the North Wind, who wears leopard skin. Suicune's mane also looks similar to the northern {{wp|aurora}}. Suicune's build, crest, and ability to walk on water bear similarities to the {{wp|Qilin}}.

====Name origin====
Suicune may be a combination of 水 ''sui'' (water), 水晶 ''suishō'' ([[Pokémon Crystal Version|crystal]]), and 君 ''kun'' (monarch).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=Water|type2=Water
|ja=スイクン ''Suicune''|jameaning=From {{tt|水 ''sui''|water}}, {{tt|水晶 ''suishō''|crystal}}, and {{tt|君 ''kun''|monarch}}
|fr=Suicune|frmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
|es=Suicune|esmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
|de=Suicune|demeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
|it=Suicune|itmeaning=Same as English/Japanese name
|ko=스이쿤 ''Suicune''|komeaning=Transcription of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=水君 ''Shuǐjūn''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|水 ''shuǐ''|water}} and {{tt|君 ''jūn''|monarch}}
|zh_yue=水君 ''Séuigwān''|zh_yuemeaning=From {{tt|水 ''séui''|water}} and {{tt|君 ''gwān''|monarch}}
|hi=सुइकून ''Suicune''|himeaning=Transcription of English name
|ru=Суикун ''Suikun''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name
|th=ซุยคูน ''Suicune''|thmeaning=Transcription of Japanese name
}}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Legendary beasts]]
* [[Suicune (M04)]]
* [[Legendary beasts (M13)]]
* [[Goh's Suicune]]
* [[Legendary beasts (Adventures)#Suicune|Suicune (Adventures)]]
* [[Legendary beasts (Super Mystery Dungeon)]]
* [[Suicune (Pokkén Tournament)]]
* [[Legendary Pokémon]]
* [[Myths and legends involving Legendary and Mythical Pokémon]]

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Talk:Kris (game)

2022-08-24T14:51:22Z

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[[Image:Kris.png|thumb|right]]
Just a question, but where exactly is "Kris" the official spelling? "Crys" or "Crystal" make more sense to me, considering the names of the other heroes.--[[User:Biccy|Biccy]] 19:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's in the list of available names. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 20:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

::Additionally, the back of the US [[Pokémon Crystal|Crystal]] box says in one area, "New female trainer '''Kris''' faces the {{p|Unown}}." If that and the screenshot are not confirmation enough, I don't know what is. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::>>; It's been many a year since I looked at the box, but gotcha.--[[User:Biccy|Biccy]] 19:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== Is this worth adding? ==

Is it worth adding? [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 11:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:Stretched, enlarged GBC overworld sprite? Think not... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:Isn't it darker than usual? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, and it's just an overworld sprite. I don't think it's worth adding. --'''[[Johto|☆]][[User:Alpha Totodile|A]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|T]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|♂]]''' 12:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Ah sorry, I let my brother mess around on my account because he said he wanted to do some editing (but was too lazy to make his own). Sorry for the trouble. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 16:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== MERGE TIIIIME ==

Yes or no. Soul is Kris. Merge it here? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:28, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:Source? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 21:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::Look at bulbanews. If you need a link, top of the news stuff on the main page. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::How does that confirm that Soul is Kris? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Ask the Echidna. You ''do'' realize that he's the Editor-in-Chief, right? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 22:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, but what does that have to do with this? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::No. Don't merge. One thing from Crystal does not mean everything from Crystal. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Seconded. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Let's just say hypothetically that she is Soul, but the game drops the name Kris but keeps Soul. Does that mean we start calling her Soul? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pretty much, yea. If there's no concrete evidence relating her to Kris, then she's a completely new character. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 14:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

== Do we know for sure? ==

The article's "Trivia" section clearly states that Kris "is ''not'' the female choice" in [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver]]. However, it is not clear whether she and Soul are the same character or not. In addition, all other articles with information pertaining to the subject are in [[King of Pokélantis|possession]] of far greater neutrality. I suggest that this text be changed to read "is ''believed'' not to be the female choice". I'd do it myself, but it seems that the article has been Protected, and therefore, only an Administrator can make the suggested change. Anyone agree with me? [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] 03:17, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== Should we add? ==

Since some people don't know about Soul yet, can't there be a link to Soul(game) at the top?--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 01:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀
:Why? It's at the bottom. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't see that! But shouldn't we put like: ''This is about the female hero of Crystal. If your'e looking for the female hero of HeartGold and SoulSilver, Please click here.''
--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master is the Master of Bulbasaur, Turtwig, and, most reacently, Chikorita.]] 16:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Can't someone talk!?!--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master is the Master of Bulbasaur, Turtwig♀, and most reacently, Chikorita♂]] 13:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

:I don't see the point in even having a separate article for the HG/SS design. It's the same storyline and they're both the female player character in it, so it makes more sense to put them into a single article regardless of whether they are the same character or not.[[User:Jeff|-Jeff]][[User talk:Jeff|(talk)]] 16:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

==Err==
I was going to add Kris' backsprite (KrisBack.png) to the article, not realizing the page was protected... could somebody do this for me or should I just wait until after HGSS come out? T_T [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 04:55, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

==Kotone/Soul==
This should probably be updated to reflect Soul's real name (Kotone) and how she is definitely a new character/Kris' replacement/etc, I'd do it myself but the page is still protected. :P [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 00:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:I was just about to add a section about this myself. But seriously, Admin's you need to get on the ball when it comes to Relinking! I would do it myself as well, but; like Zesty said; It's protected. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 03:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Confirmation that Soul and Kris are separate chars ==

I just looked at Serebii and noticed that Soul is present in the preview pics for the next episode in Japan. When that episode airs, we should know for sure whether or not Soul and Kris are the same character, as we have seen Marina (Kris's anime counterpart) in the past. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:That's kinda... [[Kotone_(anime)|old news]]. D: also, her official name according to Pokémon Sunday is actually Kotone, not Soul. :P [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 21:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Unblock the page ==

It's not like anything needs to be protected, what with Kotone's revelation and all. {{color|28E228|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 00:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC) [[User talk:Bulbafan|My talk page]]}}

== The lookalike? ==

Is it a trainer class, NPC in Pokémon Stadium 2, it needs to be more specific.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:You're right. Does anyone have a pic of it? By the way MB, you did your sig twice... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Oh I did?, I'm sorry, did not mean to. Anyways, can we trace back to whoever wrote it in and get more info? To see if there is a lookalike.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It was Zesty. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::::[[File:S2_Heroine.png]] This is the Stadium 2 girl when you use a Crystal game with Kris selected as the player character. Not very alike other than the hair... vaguely... →''[[User:Tina|'''T'''inā]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]] 01:22, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::That looks nothing like Kris. I'm removing the trivia. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::The only place I saw Kris's picture (i.e. an actual Kris picture) in Stadium 2 was in the credits against the rival. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Can you provide a screen shot?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::In retrospect she's more of a female Red lookalike than a Kris lookalike, but she still only appears if you're playing as Kris... so I reworded it as more of a side note. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I'd say that she's more similar to Kotone. But it's just me. But she's as much Kris's "counterpart" as the player boy is both Red's and Gold's counterpart. Why don't we have them mentioned on their respective pages? However, the thing on her icon appearing in Stadium 2 credits is TOTALLY worth noting. I'll try to beat Silver and get the screenshot of credits. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

== Kris in Pokemon Stadium 2 ==

[[a:File:Kris PS2.png]]
This is the only thing I can do, if it's not good enough, then, is there a way to get it from the game? It's in the credits just to add.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:Do you have a way of taking screenshots? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::Well, i took that from my computer from a youtube video, and I cropped it just to show that she appears in the game. But, I have no other way to get a pic of her.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I can hopefully get a better screenshot, I just need to know where exactly in the game that image appears. Does it appear anywhere else in the game besides the credits? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 02:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure, i was watching the ending and just noticed her. If you can get a better pic, it would be nice. I might look at the ending again to see if there anything else useful.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:11, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::Well, I wouldn't recommend capturing off a Youtube video, but a Youtube video does make a good reference for time code references. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wba6WwOj5IM Try this video] around the 3:48 mark; bottom right of the battle scene, Kris's icon appears in her original {{v2|Crystal}} incarnation (for obvious reasons; odds are her {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} redesign probably wasn't even on the drawing board yet), with the opposite corner having the [[Generation II]] [[Silver (game)|rival]]. It's the second-to-last such scene played in the credits (the last such scene, the one after Kris's appearance, has an interesting anime allusion involving {{ga|Blue}} and {{ga|Red}}). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Kris appears there because... Stadium 2 was Generation II. Duh? That's like saying that Ash in his Kanto/Orange/Johto clothes in an old episode is because they hadn't thought of the Hoenn or Sinnoh outfits yet. It's... because that's what he wore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I uploaded a better version from The Spriters Resource and added the portrait to the page. "Portrait from the credits in Stadium 2": is that right? Is "Credits portrait from Stadium 2" better? --[[User:RafaelGN|RafaelGN]] ([[User talk:RafaelGN|talk]]) 21:18, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

== Merger tiems ==

So {{adv|Crystal}} is dressed in Lyra's outfit in the HGSS chapter, just like how {{adv|Green}} was dressed as Leaf. Like the RGB girl who never made it in is Leaf, the GSC girl who never made it in until Crystal ''is'' Lyra. Lyra is Kris, and Ethan is Gold. Maxim, you can feel free to blow a gasket now, but the fact that she has two anime counterparts means nothing, because so does Red. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:14, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
: There is one difference here, there is early RGB game art that features Green, which proves that she was indeed a planned character in the RGB story. No such hints exist for Kris as far as I know (?), and since the games are the ultimate canon in the franchise, it would be more assuring to have concrete evidence from the game canon that Lyra is Kris. This could be a case like Adventure's confirmation that Giovanni was Silver's father, but as I recall, we didn't take that as 100% confirmed canon until we got confirmation via HGSS. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 06:36, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::I don't see why it would be impossible for them to be separate characters in the games, yet the same character in ''Adventures'' on the basis that the artists are lazy. Interested persons may also wish to see [[Talk: Lyra (game)]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

is it just mere stupidity or a matter of unacceptability that people here cannot face the fact that lyra is indeed kris reasons:

:1) lyra is a vast design of kris which infact shown on how the manga artist of adventures doesn't use a color blue hair for kris but brown.
:2) kris is indeed a beta design for lyra because during that time the color scheme for lyra's hair was not available for gameboy color.
:3) how the f*** told you that this character's name is kris is it just fan name like how ethan was named gold before he was officially named.
:4) look at her clothes does it clearly resembles the one lyra was wearing even the hair style they just add a ribbon on her hat you didn't recognize her.
:5) and lastly she could have two anime counterpart like how ash and ritchie is based on red.
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 08:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Eh... I've seen that coming. There is one thing that makes me mad. That Ritchie is saw as Red's counterpart here. Ritchie is a counterpart of Ash, there's nothing in him that could be based directly on Red. His team is pretty much Ash's team, the clothes are even less similar to Red's ones than Ash's. Ash is the only real Red's countepart. Also, look at what Kusaka have done with the Team Rocket Executives. This makes his decision on Lyra/Kris even less reliable. We've got two contradicting ones. I don't see how we should trust Special but not the anime - I can see why people think that Special is better and conveys the game world much better than anime. But it's still not the same thing. We've got no proof on the game's side on who "Lyra" really is (or rather, who Kris really is). It's also annoying how so many people compare this situation to Blue/"Leaf". She was just a beta design for RGB. We don't even know if they really wanted to put her in the game. Kris, on the other side, was a FINAL thing. And she had her blue hair even in the artwork. It doesn't have anything to do with the GBC pallette. We should not judge the games by other canons, since if we ignore them, there is nothing that could confirm either scenario (aside from some fan-worked "patterns"). It's simply safer to consider them separate for the games. The "battle" between New-Lyra and Old-Lyra is now 1:1. It's a draw. And draw means, that we must not change anything. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:23, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:Usually I sit back and mind my own buisness, but this time... I'll have to disagree with you TTE. Look, Lyra and Kris. Both got their own ''official'' names. Also, they have different looks. Very different. Two different anime counterparts as well, although you say that doesn't count. Pokemon Adventures does not matter, they just did that because they didn't have a name for Lyra. They can't name her after the recent games, because they are basically Gold and Silver. Also, what about in the Gold and Silver arc? With Chermaine and Keane. Does that mean we have to fuse their articles with Archer and Arianna? Maybe they just dropped Krys to add a new spin for HG/SS? Either way, I don't think that they are the same person. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 12:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::I kind of feel the same way about keeping the articles apart. Crystal winding up in Lyra's clothing isn't conclusive on the matter at all. I could say the reason it was done so was because the "versions" of HG and SS are already covered in {{adv|Gold}} and {{adv|Silver}} and so as to not create a protagonist that would fall out of the version name theme. It's one thing to create a character for a version, such as Emerald and Yellow, but to need to sort out a version issue for a new character? Better to go with the easy way out (by amalgamating the two), than having to wage war on what to call the new character that continues the theme (when there's no possible way to). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I think the games and anime should stay apart still. [[Marina (Johto)]] and [[Lyra (anime)]] are completely different characters, and [[Kris (game)]] and [[Lyra (game)]] are completely different characters. Just because the manga was too lazy to make a new character doesn't mean anything. The manga is hardly official cannon, as stated above. While it does give good second opinions, it does not trump the games and anime. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:57, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::The anime doesn't trump the manga either. They're too different to compare. And since there's no proof between collaborative effort between anyone from GF and Kusaka, no one can use it as proof that he's doing what GF meant for it to be all along: that they are the same. Honestly though, if they meant for Lyra to be Kris, why is Ethan still retain the major traits of Hiro, but Lyra get nothing from Kris...except maybe her short-shorts and redecoed pigtails? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::The anime appears on Pokemon.com. The manga doesn't. That sort of makes the anime more official then Adventures. Plus, really, if you look at both of them, they don't really look anything alike. Gold and Ethan look alike 5x more then Kris and Lyra do. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 15:14, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::No manga appears on Pokemon.com that isn't based on the anime. Which is the point. They're an entirely different venture. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::I think the only thing this proves is that a hypothetical "Adventures Lyra" does not exist, with Crystal taking the role on. Adventures also seems less apt to just go out and retcon things in the continuity, where, obviously, Gamefreak doesn't mind retconning various things in the games if the Johto Regional Pokédex means anything. And didn't Pokémon Sunday say that they were different characters, or is that a fandom myth?--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 16:23, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Either it's a fandom myth, or Gold and Ethan are also different characters. Nobody in their right mind would think one was a redesign and the other is a replacement--the only reasons anyone would buy would either be "if Gold is Ethan then Kris is Lyra" or "if Kris is not Lyra then Gold is not Ethan". Nobody in their right mind would buy "Gold is Ethan but Kris is not Lyra"; it would also take a loony to claim that "Gold is not Ethan but Kris is Lyra". Do keep in mind that several Crystal elements made their way into the game as well; as far as I'm concerned, the female player character is one of them. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:34, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's entirely possible to think "Ethan = Gold but Lyra =/= Kris," because Kris and Lyra look nothing alike, compared to Ethan and Gold, who basically got his same clothing upgrade, and doesn't stray far ''at all'' from his original design. All the Crystal elements in the world do not prove one way or another that Lyra is, in fact, ''meant'' to be Kris (and it's only our opinion [at this point] if she is or isn't), on the principle that neither Silver nor Gold got so completely retcon'd in their 2.0 appearance. Also, if she was meant to be the epitome of Kris, why isn't she being treated like Kris? Why does Lyra exist as a separate entity from Ethan, when Kris and Hiro were interchangeable (akin to Red and Leaf)? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::First off, let me say, Pikablu, that you shouldn't be going around and calling users insane or looney. That's just mean, and is technically cyber-bullying.
:::::::::Also, Luna Tiger is right. Gold ''is'' Ethan. Gold wasn't his official name and HG/SS gave him one. Obviously Gold and Ethan are the same person. Lyra and Marina (I call her Marina, so if you see Marina, I mean Krys) have a huge difference between each other. Like I said before, if you fuse Lyra and Marina, that'd be like fusing Chermaine with Arianna, even though they are two different characters. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:19, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Wah, cyber-bullying. I see that... ''term'', to use the word loosely, I think instantly one of two things: user is not to be taken seriously, or user is a complete wimp. It's the internets, grow a thicker skin.
::::::::::As for Gold not being his official name... well look at the first dang page of the instruction book for Gold. Ta dah! Gold! And it's one N, dammit. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:13, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::I was just stating that for his sake, not for mine. Honestly, I could care less what people call me, but he's gotten in trouble for this before. And I'm sorry, but does it really matter how to spell it, though? You know who I'm talking about XD [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:18, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Just to point it out, the "official" naming of Kris as "Kris" was only on the US box from what I can tell. The back of the Japanese box (seen [http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B00005OVBL/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_1?ie=UTF8&index=1 here]) doesn't refer to her as "{{tt|クリス|Kris}}" at all, but as "{{tt|女の子の主人公|Girl Protagonist}}" (the full sentence includes Gold, who is merely called {{tt|男の子[の主人公]|Boy [Protagonist]}}, the "主人公" part implied by the use of the {{tt|と|and}} particle). However, I have no access to the manual to say it wasn't in there either. Either way, "Gold" became Hibiki/Ethan despite being referred to as "Gold" in the manual, and yet similar evidence is used to keep "Kris" separate from Kotone/Lyra? Kotone is not ''completely'' different from "Kris" as people are claiming, so I don't get why these characters with the same situation as Gold/Hibiki/Ethan are being kept separate. The only place these two are ''confirmed'' to be separate people is in the anime. --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 21:57, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
(reset indent) Mind if I butt in? I think that they gave Kris Lyra's clothes in Adventures because if they made a new character, what were they going to name her? "HeartGold" or "SoulSilver"? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Indent reset~
:Just because they're the same in the manga doesn't make them the same in the games. If this is "proof" they're the same, then Lyra in the anime is ''just as much'' proof that they're different. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure ハート/Heart or ソウル/Soul. It's not like the fandom didn't call her one of the two before her name was revealed. They gave Kris Kotone's clothes because she's ''supposed'' to be a redesign of Kris, not a new character. Her hair is a clear show of that. Yes, it's not blue nor does it have that wacky 90-degree bend, but can anyone really say it's ''completely'' different? After all, PokéSpe HGSS Kris looks like what a PokéSpe Kotone would probably look like, with slightly darker hair.
::But still, personally I don't like how Gold = Hibiki/Ethan when we can say he was called "Gold" in the manuals while Kris =/= Kotone/Lyra because her name was on the back of the box. They're similar situations, so I don't get why one merges and the other doesn't. And that has ''nothing'' to do with the anime/manga. :/ --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 22:19, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::If they're meant to be the same, then why didn't the anime make them the same as well? Manga canon and game canon are seperate, and just because it's true in one does not mean it's true in the other. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:22, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::As are game canon and anime canon. What I think the reasoning is for calling Kotone/Lyra by her game name rather than "Marina" is because of the game name = anime name that they seem to like doing these days. Also, "Marina" and "Jimmy" can be point to why "Kris" and "Gold" weren't real names for them, but I won't go into that. However, my second point still stands. Ignoring both anime and manga canon, Gold/Hibiki/Ethan was in similar situation as Kris/Kotone/Lyra. He was called "Gold" in the manual while she was called "Kris" on the back of the box. Why is one joined and the other not? --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 22:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Because Gold and Ethan look almost exactly the same. If they meant for Gold and Ethan to be different, they would have given the male player a completely new design, which they didn't. However, Kris and Lyra look ''nothing'' alike. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:41, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm aware game and anime canon are seperate as well. The point with Ethan is he's pretty clearly Gold, his design hasn't changed much at all. Lyra, however, only has the hair to go by. It's never made clear in the games if they're the same, they are the same in the manga, and they're clearly different in the anime. Sooo I think we shouldn't assume either way and leave them seperate until someone at GameFreak pretty much outright says it. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::You can't really say they are the same character because their hair looks alike. Their hair is not really similar at all. As you sated, I think Lyra in the anime and games is a whole different character. Just because Crystal dresses as Lyra, doesn't mean they are, in other cannon, the same character. Pokemon Adventures =/= official cannon for everything. It is written by a third party. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::Urgh, I really hate this argument because it's really clear Kotone is just a vast redesign of Kris. Why does the fact she got a larger overhaul than Hibiki mean she's a new person. She's not. Kotone's design is ''clearly'' based off Kris, no matter how vastly redesigned. Seriously, why does this make her a brand new character. It's not just the hair, her outfit shares a similar color scheme, she still has the hoodie part, and her overalls have shorts rather than a skirt they could have opted for, and her shirt is red as well. I find it funny people were quick to call her a Mario clone, but fail to see the similarities to a character design ''in the same franchise''. --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 22:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:What harm is it to keep them separate, when official they have not been announced as the same character? It does not help anything to merge them. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::I'm of the same opinion Blake's got. And NyaChan, believe me, I wanted Lyra ot be Kris when she was first revealed. But I'm not seeing any of those similarities you're listing at all beyond hair - and even then, the color is different. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:56, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm got the same opinion as you two. It's not officially announced, and there are hardly any similarities. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:59, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Nor does it harm to merge it. =3= The only problem I see is people will whine about how they think Kotone is "toooootally different from 'Kris'". As for the blue hair thing: Blue hair is no longer relevant (since blue = signature color for Crystal version), thus they changed it to brown. And wasn't it mentioned somewhere between this and Kotone's talk page that prototype designs for "Kris" had her with brown hair anyways? As for you not seeing the similarities: You seriously can't see both girls have a red shirt, have some form of shorts and have white/red as prominent colors in their outfit? Huh, guess I must be going even more blind. --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 23:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Okay, so there's some similarities in color, but I wouldn't sya enough to support it. And Kris only ever had brown hair in the manga, if I remember right. But back to the point I was making: Confirmation in the manga does not equal confirmation in the games. And until someone at GameFreak comes out and says "Lyra and Kris are the same", then I don't believe they should be merged. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 23:07, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::And it '''does''' harm to merge the two, because what if it turns out they /are/ separate characters? Then you have to unmerge them. Whereas leaving them unmerged only to learn of sure they are the same person...less work and not guess work (because wouldn't it be silly if we were right the first time, and wrong the second, only to correct it?). There is no solid, indisputable proof she is or isn't meant to be Kris. We're not talking Crystal, we're not talking Marina; we're talking Kris, and game canon is game canon, and no manga or anime canon is going to have a same in what game canon is. Because we can argue this left and right, there's no standing why they should be merged. They should be treated as two different people until otherwise stated. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Also, what exactly makes the Pokemon Adventures manga cannon? Because Satoshi Tajiri said "This is the comic that most resembles the world I was trying to convey."? He said that over 10 years ago. That doesn't mean everything in it is 100% cannon. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 00:12, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::"Game canon is not anime/manga canon". Yeah. Well then Kris ''never'' existed, nor did Leaf. Deletion time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:51, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::No, it's "Anime/manga canon isn't game canon." Special says they are, anime says they aren't, and the games vouch for neither. What's the justification when the manga isn't proof? Because otherwise, Leaf would be Green, now wouldn't she? Since Special ''must'' be right. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

There were only 2 reasons that Lyra wasn't Kris. One was because they had two separate anime counterparts. However, Crystal was the counterpart that they both shared. So both cancel each other out. Another reason is that they look vastly redesigned as opposed to Ethan and Silver. But Morty and Sabrina were also vastly redesigned as opposed to their fellow Gym Leaders. Kris/Lyra play the same role and have similar enough features. They're as about as recognizable to each other as RGBY!Red is to FRLG!Red. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 02:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:The "similar features" being gender and hairstyle...
:The difference between Lyra and the Red or Gym Leaders is there is absolutely no doubt the Gym Leaders and Red are meant to be who they are. The games pretty clearly state it. But the only evidence that Kris and Lyra are the same is in the manga, and the manga one isn't the same characters as the game ones. Whereas game-wise it doesn't say anything either way. And to coutner the manga, the anime has them as two distinct people.
:Until someone at GF comes out and says "Lyra is Kris", then the merge should nt tbe done.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 03:09, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

::Sorry if anyone was offended by my "loony" comment. Wasn't aimed at anyone specific, mind you. Gotta remain in good standing so I don't end up the second sysop ever to end up on probation, despite all this fire getting tossed around...

::Anyway, what's keeping said Game Freak staffer from explicitly saying Gold is not Ethan? Maybe we ought to get wind of this argument over to Game Freak's ears, then we'll probably get something...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:20, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

::What do you mean there is no other evidence? They play the same role: the Johto female protagonist. Other Crystal elements were retained; why wouldn't she be retained too? Plus, if she was really a new character, wouldn't she have been advertised as such when her artwork first surfaced?
:::Let's also keep this in mind. They renamed the Tin Tower, added two routes and a Safari Zone, changed Kanto's into Pal Park... What's so strange about renaming a girl who had a version-name (Kris, from Crystal) in Gen II a normal name in Gen IV? Ethan did it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:03, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Nothing, if there was more than a single manga series saying it. I'm not saying Lyra couldn't be Kris, but unless it's actually confirmed for the game character, I don't believe they should be merged. Isn't that Bulbapedia's policy anyway? Don't add it unitl we're 100%, and as far as the game versions of these characters go we ''aren't''. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes. Exactly. And this is also why I'm against any kind of voting about the matter. Because in this case voting will be merely a battle of opinions, not any officially confirmed stuff, which the policy tells us to follow. Having them in separate articles is simply safer. We don't insist that [[Brock (anime)]] is a separate character from [[Brock]], do we? As long as there's no official word about the identity of her in the games. It's currently a draw between the anime and PokeSpe. And draw isn't deciding. I know, TTE, that you want this to be moved desperately but what's the sense of Bulbapedia's existence when it becomes an admin's personal playground of his crazy theories about fandom, instead of a reliable source of information? "Why couldn't rename and redesign her, if they did X, Y, Z before" isn't a reason. "Why not" is never a reason. As long as we don't get any more official "hints" about the matter, then we can talk about the change. As for now, we should leave everything as-is. Also, if we state that Kris MAY be an old version of Lyra (as she is in PokeSpe) clearly on the main head of the article, no one should really get offended. Bulbapedia isn't a place where heated battles of opinions should happen (especially when started by admins). Let's try to be objective and chill the hell out. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:02, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::Maxim, I totally 100% agree with you. We should keep the articles separate until ''official'' sources say so (keyword = official). Bulbapedia is all about true informomation, unlike the Pokemon wiki, who last time I visited, said that there was a over 200 new Pokemon, and an article on each one. Reason why I came here, it had true stuff about Pokemon! It got rid of all 'fan speculation' and all that crap that was out there. I understand that TTE is an admin and all, but to me, he's a regular person right now. If we merge the article of Krys and Lyra, then we'll turn into Pokemon wiki. Honestly, I don't want that to happen. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 12:14, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:What, are you kidding me? All you guys are just whiners that HGSS isn't exactly the same game as GSC. ''Wah they moved Suicune'', ''wah Bell Tower'', ''wah Johto dex'', ''wah Lyra's not Kris''. If Lyra is not Kris, then Leaf is not based on the unreleased Gen I girl. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::We aren't whining, so stop acting silly. The difference is, Kris was a real character. Green/pre-leaf was just a few pieces of art. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 18:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I could care less about HG/SS. That's not what this discussion is about. It's about keeping characters separate. And I dunno about you, but I've never seen any pics with Green's face? Just her back with Blastoise on R/B/G. For all we know, her face could have looked like a wooly mammoth, but that's beside the point. I would say something, but it's not my right to say it. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 19:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not whining, I'm saying we follow Bulbapedia's policy. You know, don't add until we're absolutely, no-doubt certain. And the thing is, as far as the game versions of these characters go, we aren't. I thought an admin of all people would be trying to enforce this policy, TTE, not directly go against it. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 19:19, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::You know what, TTE? You just revealed your true colors. You just showed everyone that you're a whiner who wants everything on Bulbapedia to be as he wants. All that I used in this discussion were rational reasons. So did most people who agreed with me. And then, when a discussion seemed to shape up and a bud of a reasonable consensus was forming, you just came in baaaawing and whining and accusing OTHER PEOPLE of whining. It was miserable, man. What you just did is funny and sad at the same time. Go on, TTE. Merge the pages. You can even ban me if you want. You just want to merge the pages so there's nothing we can do. But why did you even start the discussion if you just wanted to merge the pages uncompromisingly from the start? I'm disappointed at you, TTE. I'm disappointed on Bulbapedia. I might have been whining about HGSS in the past, sure. But for this matter, you are the only whiner that I can see around. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:40, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::W-wait a minute! Let's keep this civilized, people, please? This is a discussion, we don't need to be name calling. Although I am slightly confused at why TTE would abandon his own rules like this, there is still no need for name calling! [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 19:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Okay. But how can I treat a person whose only reason is "You're all just stupid whiners, so you must all STFU" in the middle of a sensible discussion? It's a blatant proof that someone has no true reasons. And I think it should be also the end of this comedy. I just said how I see TTE's last activity in this talk. And I tried to do this calmly and clearly at the same time. I didn't mean for any "name-calling", I just wanted to make him get rid of the whiny emotions that restrain his mind. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

:To lighten the mood a bit, what's this about Betagirl looking like a woolly mammoth?
:http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3330177/woollymammoth.png
:[[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::Lmao! Umeko, you are now my most favorite person. Lol, that's so funny! At least now I know where to go if I'm down. Would you mind if I asked you to send that to me by my e-mail? {{unsigned|Littlmiget123}}
:::Haha, it was my pleasure. :3 Not sure why you need it sent by email, if you want to save it you can just right-click→save as...
:::And to actually contribute something to the conversation here, I don't think the two should be merged. Kris was at least notable in that she was the very first female PC implemented into the game, if nothing else. :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Lol, I'm still laughing about that. I started crying I was laughing so hard. You made me forget to sign XP. Oh, okay then. I saved it, that's so awesome! And that's true about the first playable female character. You can't really put that on a page called 'Lyra'? I don't know this discussion is getting ridiculous. Plus, the bottom section proves that this was just a bunch of baloney. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 20:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

== Word from Game Freak about Kris and Lyra's identity problem ==

Regarding the identity debate that has resurfaced in light of the latest manga development, I believe that Game Freak may not have been so vague, after all. According to the bottom of this page [[http://outdoor.geocities.jp/twnfh640/pokemon2.ds.html]], [[Takao Unno]] (HeartGold and SoulSilver's art director) was quoted in a Nintendo Dream interview as saying that "Lyra is a new character that was not designed with the female player character from Pokémon Crystal in mind". I've been aware of this page for some time now, but I've refrained from mentioning it until now since it also claims that some (possibly the same) interview clarified that the programmers of Pokéwalker did not recognize its resemblance to the Pocket Pikachu pedometer. This claim is refuted by the famous "Iwata Asks" interview [[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/iwata/iwata_asks_-_pokmon_heartgold_version__soulsilver_version_16288_16289.html], where Ishihara states that the Pokéwalker is the successor to Pocket Pikachu (it was Nintendo and Creatures that had forgotten about Pocket Pikachu when they developed a pedometer game called Activity Meter).

That said, I'm inclined to take the quote about Kris and Lyra at face value, but I don't want to see it misused until we can verify the source (which I believe is the Nintendo Dream issue released in last September). It does make one wonder what Ken Sugimori's role in all of this was; is it possible that Lyra's illustration was drawn by Takao Unno instead? -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 20:01, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Amen! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:05, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::And I hope that's the end of that.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 20:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::I want fellow members to help me find that interview, as opposed to patting themselves on the back for (probably) being right. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 20:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much, Unown Lord. You just saved us about 2 more days worth of fighting. I'd read the article, but I can't read japanese XD [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 20:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::[http://pokemon-memo.com/tag/unno-takao/ 1]. Another source stating the interview. As far as I can read and make something out of electronical translations, it seems like "The Female Protagonist of HeartGold/SoulSilver was created from scratch, without the consciousness of Crystal Female". Though, I'd like someone who can understand Japanese better than me to confirm it. But I feel the sweet smell of an ending... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 21:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::"According to Unno Takao-shi, the female protagonist of HeartGold/SoulSilver was designed from scratch, without taking mind of the female protagonist from Crystal," pretty much.
:::::::The article also says that the male and female protagonists for HGSS were not designed by Sugimori as all previous ones have been, but by Unno under Sugimori's supervision. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::So that's that, then? It's just a matter of finding where this interview came from, which shouldn't be too hard it can't be that o;ld. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 23:15, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::The second article says that the interview is from the November 2009 issue of Nintendo Dream, which was released in September around the remakes' release (I don't know why the magazine's naming system is two months ahead). -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]
:::::::::...still doesn't explain Lyra having such short shorts, but it does explain Dawn. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::I think that the far more pertinent question is why Sugimori agreed to Lyra being designed from scratch and his own character, Kris, not being carried over to the remakes. That Kris was not playable in Gold and Silver is merely an excuse, and the quote doesn't say that directly. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 05:38, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
So now that this has been settled, should we remove the merger templates from this and Lyra's pages? [[User:Reign|Reign]] 07:50, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:Jeez, I don't look at my watchlist in a couple of days and -bam-, all this occurs. Looking at the two sources posted, it does seem as if they specifically say that Lyra was designed from scratch and is not the same as Kris. So merging the two articles would be pretty pointless.
:Also, TTE, you've just proven to all of us that you pretty much don't give two shits about sticking to rules, guidelines and the like, and instead want everything to be your way. First your wild reasoning of "hey, PokéSpecial did it like this, so let's apply the manga to the entire canon!", when everyone knows Special is completely separate to everything else; and secondly, your selfish edit protecting of this page for a month just so no-one would remove the merge template. That's just damn childish. You really shouldn't abuse your position as a 'pedia admin like that. You've done it enough in other places over the past few months just to get your way... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 12:45, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
::I protected the page so that no one, mid-argument, could come in and say "NUH UH LYERS NOT CHRIS". I figured we'd not reach consensus this early. And considering the fact that Adventures is ''based on the games'' and the previous remakes' female protagonist's clothing was used by the third-version-named girl in Adventures... yeah, it was possible that we had been wrong to make Lyra and Kris separate pages. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:27, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

== Don't believe that guy ==

Since I'm banned from Bulbagarden (by the way, dear admins, isn't it the time to lift that undeserved and insane ban from me? I've been away from Bulbagarden just long enough to atone for my "crime") and I can't answer there, the only thing that I can do is protect Bulbapedia from further harm that some random guy on Bulbagarden Forums may do. [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showpost.php?p=1593797&postcount=69 In this post on Bulbagarden Forums] one guy (random and seemingly inexperienced) tries to convince people that what Unno says is supposed to prove the otherwise of our consensus. This is, that Kris and Lyra are same characters. However, his "translation" (allegedly done by his "Japanese-fluent girlfriend") is nothing more than a misinterpretation. It's a wishful interpretation of someone who can't admit that the two aren't same and one characters. First, he cites the "crucial" sentence totally out of context, obscuring its meaning. Unno doesn't says anything about "redesign". What Unno really says that Crystal female character and HGSS female character were designed independently. 意識 means "consciousness" or "senses" (not "concern"), I've checked that in multiple dictionaries. There's no way that the word could be misinterpreted. Also, the particle せず means "without". So, do the maths. Also, he completely ignored the word 新規, which means "new" or "original". Unno used this word in relation to Lyra, very obviously. He also completely ignored what Unno said about Ethan. It's very easy to obscure the intended meaning of out-of-context sentence in a foreign language. And this guy seems to be a master at this. But don't believe him. All he's doing is setting an additional, illegal hurdle on the last metre of our long way to consensus. There are always stubborn people who can't admit the truth and argue with the facts. Some people simply can't understand that the Earth isn't flat and even taking them into space won't convince them. So, for your own sanity and the sanity of Bulbapedia, ignore this guy. He's not a person to be believed. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:Oh lord, is this really not done yet? That guy's just grasping at straws now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 19:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::We have ended this. Just because the manga says they are the same, doesn't mean they are. They don't even look that similar. I don't see any resemblance at all, other then they have pigtails sticking out the sides, and they both have shorts instead of skirts. [[May (game)|May]] has hair coming out the sides, and wears shorts. Does that mean she is Kris also? Just because Kris and Lyra have the same roles, doesn't mean they are the same person. The manga just didn't want to go through the trouble of making a new character for the HGSS volumes. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::You don't need to keep restating that, Blake. The interview already confirmed they're seperate, the guy on the forums is making up translations that don't exist. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Her name. ==

No, this isn't about her and Lyra. Though I do think they're one in the same..Anyway, isn't "Kris" just a nickname or shortening of her name, Crystal? Is that note-worthy? Or is her name literally "Kris"? There really hasn't been anything on her name other then the english Crystal manuals and box art, which listed her as "Kris". [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think it is the default name. Plus, it is the first choice. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:09, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::I believe the "Kris/Crys is short for Crystal" only appears in the Pokémon Adventures manga (which does NOT consitute game canon, on the record...) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::She's called it in "Golden Boys" too. Then again, that manga calls Silver "Black". So I'm guessing "Kris" is simply a reference to "Crystal" rather then a nickname. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== The anime is no longer credible concerning Kris/Lyra's identity ==

Ethan got a new counterpart in the 13th movie despite Jimmy already being Gold's counterpart. This proves that the anime isn't above recreating existing characters, unless you want to argue that Gold and Ethan aren't the same person either. Of course, this doesn't prove Kris being Lyra, but between the anime's loss of credibility and the article about Lyra's design having questionable credibility as well, the whole "Kris isn't Lyra" argument isn't solid either. {{unsigned|Legendary Rotom}}

== Kris originally in HGSS ==

My friend had tried to hack into the HeartGold ROM and he found some old files for the PokeGear, which proves that Kris was originally going to appears in HGSS. http://i46.tinypic.com/29apf86.png

Thought it would be nice to include in trivia. [[User:Mattii|Mattii]] ([[User talk:Mattii|talk]]) 16:18, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

== STADIUM 2 Portrait? ==

I saw that there was one above, If there is one someone should try to get it because it would be an awesome addition to BP. Anyone think they can do it? {{unsigned|AnimeMagic}}

== Missing Overworld Sprites ==

It seems there is only one Overworld sprite for Kris which is when she is facing forwards. Are the side and upward facing sprites generic or just missing? There also don't appear to be any sprites for Kris in HG or SS. {{unsigned|Pokepro97}}
:Why would we need images of overworld kris facing left, right or up? it's unnecessary. Kris wasn't in HGSS, so naturally she wouldn't have overworld sprites from those games.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
::Because she is in Generation II and people use the sprites to identify them. If I saw the sideways sprites, I might actually recogise if I remember her ingame or not and whether I am on the right page or not. {{unsigned|Pokepro97}}
:::How do you not know if the player character is in the game? [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 02:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
::::So... people won't recognize the sprite of Kris facing the screen? And there are plenty of images on this [age to make you realize that you're on the right page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:28, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::More than one picture helps. Overall, they are images from the game and there is no harm in having them on there, even if just a link to the archives to make the article complete. [[User:Pokepro97|Pokepro97]] ([[User talk:Pokepro97|talk]]) 05:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC).

== {{template|unknown name}}? ==
Why is it that Kris has this template at the top of her page when all other player characters are considered to have their default name as their "official name"? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 17:18, 4/6/2014 (UTC)
:Most of the other characters are either in the as a rival character, which only uses one name (the player characters in RSE/DPPt/HGSS/BW/BW2/XY), from internal data (Leaf), or they show up in other games (Red and Blue). Kris' name isn't used in anything besides on box art. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 17:32, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
::How is that ''not'' official? That's the closest '''any''' core series player character has to an official name, even if it is only on the English releases. Everybody's chomping at the bit to change things to "official" names that're only words used to refer to things ''without'' naming them (base stats/EVs), how is something that explicitly shows us the company named her something considered "not official"? [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 17:54, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
:::I actually get what Funk is saying. Kris, Leaf, and Silver only ever use a player-chosen name in all their appearances (even Hilbert and Hilda show up with those names in the Subway). Because of this, they have no "official" name as an NPC, the most we really have is the first option on the list if there even is one. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 17:58, 4/6/2014 (UTC)
::::I understand it too, but that doesn't change the fact that she was given a name by somebody in charge of the game in some form. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:30, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
:Because "Kris" is only used by the back of the American box art as an example, since that's the first name on the list. In fact, her official name is likely Marina since all female player characters that have appeared in the anime share their names (and the whole idea that canons cannot cross is pure fanon in itself).
:Also, "Leaf" is a stupid name because people refuse to accept the theme logic of the main Kanto games. If the guy is called Red and the rival Blue (Green, in Japan), then the most obvious choice for the girl is Green (Blue, in Japan).
:The only characters we have a hard time with knowing their official names are Ethan (in Generation II's context) and "Silver". Ethan's Generation II name is {{tt|most likely Jimmy in English|I know about 4Kids screwing up their names in the dub but The Legend of Thunder! is their main appearance anyway.}} and definitely Kenta in Japanese. About "Silver", well... I have no idea.
:— [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 15:57, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Wouldn't Kris be her official English name, even if there is no official Japanese name, because it's on the back of the box? [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 21:54, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
::Think so too. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 17:37, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
::No, since "Kris" does not appear in non-American English box art of Crystal. クリス is also used as the first suggested Japanese name for both "Gold" and Marina. In English Crystal, it's romanized as CHRIS for the hero and KRIS for the heroine. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 20:27, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
:::But your argument for calling her Marina is somewhat flawed, because by the same logic we'd be calling Red "Ash Ketchum" because Ash is based on Red. Also, I'd like to point out that the Australian boxart also calls her Kris, so it's not just American.[[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 21:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
::::It really isn't. All the anime counterparts of the female protagonists share the names with their game counterparts (May, Dawn, Iris, Serena). And technically speaking, Game Freak did call Red "Satoshi" but that doesn't matter anymore since Red is his name as an NPC.
::::What about the UK box art and the European localizations? [http://www.gamefaqs.com/gbc/375087-pokemon-crystal-version/images/box-20177 The Japanese box art] definitely doesn't name any of the protagonists, and we should follow the Japanese version while looking up the name for the game's heroine. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 21:57, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::Marina isn't a preprogrammed name, so that obviously isn't an option. Even if it were, Kris is by far the most used within the fandom. The reason female PCs that show up in the anime use their game names is because they appear in the games using those names when not picked as the player (think you forgot that Iris isn't a player character). [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 23:40, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
::::::Preset list names and dummy names are not valid either (otherwise, why doesn't everyone know that Red's and {{ga|Leaf|Green}}'s rival is {{ga|Blue|Terry}}?!). ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'', dub nonwithstanding, is inspired by Crystal (it even has the name in the Japanese title!). And I was referring to main characters, which Misty and Iris are in the anime. Of course, Lyra appeared in the anime as well, while Green, Hilda, and Rosa didn't.
::::::I'm also not suggesting a move but the fact is that "Kris" is not an official name, which is already mentioned in the article. Ethan is also a special case since he doesn't have an official name in the context of Gen II as his names are sound-related like Lyra's so that they match, not to mention that he has two anime counterparts ({{jo|Jimmy}} and {{DL|Ethan (game)|In the anime|Ethan}}). [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 01:01, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

== Issues with Pokémon Masters EX content ==

I understand that keeping most of the Masters-exclusive content in Kris's Masters page is the way to go, but outright forbidding her new official illustration and 4 distinct sprites from appearing here seems a bit extreme to me. The Artwork section looks empty as a result.

Besides, the way her Pokémon Masters EX subsection is being handled is inconsistent with other game characters. Right now, it only says that she forms a sync pair with Totodile, Croconaw and Feraligatr, whereas in pages for other trainers, other Pokémon besides their "main" one are also mentioned. I added her Suicune to the section and the change was reverted. What's up with that? {{unsigned|Thoren}}
:I added her Suicune to the section and the change was reverted. {{unsigned|Thoren}}
::The Suicune bit was valid. It was simply removed as a result of the edit undo. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 13:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the reply. What are your thoughts on those specific images being added to the Artwork section?[[User:Thoren|Thoren]] ([[User talk:Thoren|talk]]) 13:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
:::To elaborate on this inquiry, many game character articles (such as this one) contain brief sections of their manga counterparts with illustrations of them, despite said counterparts having their own separate articles. I think Pokémon Masters could get the same treatment, especially for game character articles without too much content, like Kris's.[[User:Thoren|Thoren]] ([[User talk:Thoren|talk]]) 14:51, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

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:The user who removed the content has disabled their emails, so it wasn't possible to contact them directly about this issue, and they haven't replied to the talk article I opened after their removal. It's also unfair that content can be freely removed by users to push their own idea of how pages should look like (without previously opening a discussion article in the talk page to boot), while restoring verifiable information might constitute as warning.[[User:Thoren|Thoren]] ([[User talk:Thoren|talk]]) 12:54, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
::Just checking, which member is this?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:06, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
:::I believe they are referring to the edits to [[Kris (game)]] with [[User:FinnishPokéFan92]]. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']] 13:25, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
::::Yes, what Landfish7 says is correct.[[User:Thoren|Thoren]] ([[User talk:Thoren|talk]]) 13:44, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
::::This is slightly unrelated, but is it possible for me to sign a post after submitting it without signature? I get a vandalism warning when I try to do it.[[User:Thoren|Thoren]] ([[User talk:Thoren|talk]]) 14:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

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Kris (game)

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Thoren: Readded Suicune to the list of Pokémon Kris forms a sync pair with, in accordance to the articles of other characters. By the way, I disagree with the removal of her new illustration and 3D sprites. Please refer to the Discussion tab with a convincing explanation for omitting this specific content or I will also restore those in the future.

{{Search|female protagonist whose default name is {{j|クリス}} in the Japanese version of {{game|Crystal}}|the male player character in {{game|Crystal}} with the same Japanese name|Ethan (game)}}
{{Redirect|Crystal (game)|the game titled "Pokémon Crystal Version"|Pokémon Crystal Version}}
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|corecolor={{crystal color light}}
|bordercolor={{crystal color dark}}
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|jname=クリス
|tmname=Kris
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|caption=Art from {{v2|Crystal}}
|gender=Female
|hometown=[[New Bark Town]]
|region=[[Johto]]
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|colors=yes
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|hair=Teal{{tt|*|Main Sugimori artwork}}, Navy Blue{{tt|*|Other Sugimori artwork}}
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|epname=The Legend of Thunder!
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|envagame=Cherami Leigh<ref name="Cherami Leigh">[https://twitter.com/suresnips/status/1167253457855766532 Confirmed via RT by Cherami Leigh on Twitter]</ref> ({{pkmn|Masters EX}})
|javagame=Kana Asumi<ref>Nintendo DREAM (vol. 329)</ref> ({{pkmn|Masters EX}})
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'''Kris''' (Japanese: '''{{j|クリス}}''' ''Kris'') is the female playable character in {{game|Crystal}}. Her male counterpart is {{ga|Ethan}}.

She was the first female [[player character]] in the [[core series]] {{pkmn|games}}, a feature that would be carried on in subsequent game releases.

As she only appears in {{game|Crystal}}, she has the fewest appearances by a player character in the core series. In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, she is replaced by {{ga|Lyra}}.

==In the core series==
Kris's journey as a [[Pokémon Trainer]] begins when [[Professor Elm]] asks her to run an errand for [[Mr. Pokémon]], who lives north of [[Cherrygrove City]]. Because she may encounter dangerous [[wild Pokémon]] along the way, Elm gives her a choice between three Pokémon to protect her: {{p|Cyndaquil}}, {{p|Totodile}}, or {{p|Chikorita}}.

Kris meets a boy watching Elm's Lab from outside. When she tries to talk to him, the boy abruptly shoves her away. The boy, {{ga|Silver}}, will become Kris's rival, analogous to {{ga|Blue}} in [[Generation I]].

Kris continues onward and finally meets Mr. Pokémon and completes her errand. While there she meets [[Professor Oak]] who, upon realizing Kris's bond with her new Pokémon, gives her a [[Pokédex]]. On her way back home, Kris again meets Silver, who has stolen one of Elm's remaining Pokémon. After defeating the boy in battle, she learns his name and relays it to the police in New Bark Town. Professor Elm allows Kris to keep the Pokémon she chose earlier, and encourages her to compete in the [[Johto League]].

From there Kris begins on a Pokémon journey in the [[Johto]] [[region]], facing off against its eight [[Gym Leader]]s, defeating and disbanding the newly reformed [[Team Rocket]], and becoming [[Pokémon Champion|Pokémon League Champion]] by defeating the [[Elite Four]] and its previous Champion, [[Lance]], at [[Indigo Plateau]]. Along the way she also teaches Silver to respect Pokémon as living creatures and not just as tools for battle. Kris also uncovered the mystery of the [[Bell Tower|Tin Tower]] and its [[Legendary Pokémon]], {{p|Entei}}, {{p|Suicune}}, and {{p|Raikou}}.

After being declared the Pokémon League Champion, Kris then takes a short trip on a ship, the [[S.S. Aqua]], from [[Olivine City]] to [[Vermilion City]] in [[Kanto]]. Journeying across that region, she battles against its own set of eight Gym Leaders, including two new faces, [[Janine]], who replaced her father [[Koga]] on his promotion to the Elite Four, and {{ga|Blue}}, who was formerly Pokémon League Champion himself, and replaced [[Giovanni]] after the latter fled. Upon getting permission from [[Professor Oak]] in [[Pallet Town]], Kris heads for [[Mt. Silver]] via {{rt|28|Kanto}}. Her journey comes to a close when she faces the Champion from Pallet Town Pokémon Trainer {{ga|Red}} deep in Mt. Silver Cave, who had been training there since shortly after he became Pokémon League Champion [[Generation I|three years prior]].

==In the side series==
===[[Pokémon Stadium 2]]===
Kris makes a cameo appearance during the end credits of [[Pokémon Stadium 2]], battling {{ga|Silver}} and his {{p|Ho-Oh}} with her {{p|Suicune}}.

====Pokémon====
{| style="width: 80px"
| {{ActivePoké|Kris|Suicune|245MSStad.png|size=50px|Water|link=no}}
|}

==In spin-off games==
===[[Pokémon Masters EX]]===
{{main|Kris (Masters)}}
Kris forms a [[sync pair]] with {{p|Totodile}} and its evolved forms {{p|Croconaw}} and {{p|Feraligatr}}, as well as {{p|Suicune}} in [[Pokémon Masters EX]].

==Artwork==
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{Crystal color dark}}; background: #{{Crystal color}}; font-size:80%"
|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}" | [[File:Cryskris.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}" | [[File:Game Freak Kris.jpg|200px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}" | [[File:Kris Portrait.png|150px]]
|-
| Walking
| Relaxing with {{color2|000|Togepi (Pokémon)|Togepi}}
| Posing for a portrait
|}

===Sprites===
====In the [[core series]]====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{Crystal color dark}}; background: #{{Crystal color}}; font-size:80%"
|-
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px; height:80px" | [[File:Spr C Kris.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:Kris OD.png]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:C Kris Back.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:Unused HGSS PokéGear Icon for Kris.png]]
|-
| Sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| Overworld sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| Back sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver beta|Unused}} {{color2|000|PokéGear}} icon from {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
|}

====In other games====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{Crystal color dark}}; background: #{{Crystal color}}; font-size:80%"
|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:S2 Kris.png]]
|-
| Portrait from the credits in {{color2|000|Pokémon Stadium 2|Stadium 2}}
|}

==Quotes==
{{main|Kris (game)/Quotes}}

==Optional names==
{| style="float:left; background: #{{crystal color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 3px solid #{{crystal color}}"
|- style="text-align:center"
! Japanese
! English
! French
! German
! Italian
! Spanish
|- style="background: #FFF"
|クリス ''Kris'' チホ ''Chiho'' キヨミ ''Kiyomi'' サトコ ''Satoko''
|Kris Amanda Juana Jodi
|Christy Sophie Nicole Jeanne
|Krista Sina Mandy Tabitha
|Kristy Gaia Cinzia Luisa
|Cristi María Susana Yolanda
|}{{-}}

==Counterparts==
[[File:Marina Johto.png|thumb|220px|{{jo|Marina}}, Kris's anime counterpart]]
===In the anime===
{{main|Marina (Johto)}}
{{jo|Marina}}, one of the main characters in ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'', is the {{pkmn|anime}} counterpart of Kris. In her debut, Marina is presented as a girl who dreams of becoming famous with the help of {{cat|Marina's Pokémon|her Pokémon}}. In her latest appearances, she was shown to be a talented [[Pokémon Coordinator]], having won the [[Grand Festival]] to become a [[Top Coordinator]]. She is friends with {{jo|Jimmy}} and [[Vincent]].

===In the manga===
====Pokémon Adventures====
{{Main|Crystal (Adventures)}}
Crystal from [[Pokémon Adventures]] is based on Kris's design. She is unique among all [[Pokédex holder]]s in the sense that her primary goal is to fill the [[Pokédex]].

====Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys====
{{Main|Chris (Golden Boys)}}
Chris from [[Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys|Golden Boys]] is based on Kris.

==Trivia==
[[File:Crystal prototype FC.png|thumb|Screenshots of an earlier design for a female protagonist]]
* Kris is the first playable female character in [[Pokémon games]], a feature included in all traditional Pokémon RPGs since. Despite this, the female choice in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} is {{ga|Lyra}}, who was designed from scratch by [[Takao Unno]].
** However, an unused PokéGear icon in HeartGold and SoulSilver, resembling Kris rather than Lyra, suggests that this was decided at a later point of development.
* Several [[Pokémon Crystal beta#Female character|pre-release]] screenshots for {{game|Crystal}} show an earlier design for a female protagonist.
* Kris's alternate Japanese names would later be shared with {{ga|Leaf}}, {{ga|Dawn}}, and {{ga|Lyra}}.
* Kris is the only playable character in the core series to be exclusive to a solitary version.
* When playing as Kris in {{game|Crystal}}, the appearance of the player is changed to that of {{ga|Ethan|Gold}} when entering the [[Pokémon Center#Cable Club 2|cable club]] and changed back to Kris's upon leaving.
** The reason is likely to maintain visual consistency between players of different versions when in the cable club, as Kris's sprite assets do not exist in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.

==Names==
* In the Japanese version of {{game|Crystal}}, the name "クリス" is the first option for both the {{ga|Ethan|male}} and female [[player character]]s. In the English version, this name was romanized as "Chris" for the boy and "Kris" for the girl.
* The Japanese version of the Trainer's Guide released with {{game|Crystal}} tells a short story where the player character named "クリス" (the same name for a boy or a girl, which may be romanized as Chris or Kris) starts their adventure. This is almost the same as the story previously released in the Trainer's Guide from {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, except the player is no longer referred to specifically as a boy. However, in the English version of this story, the player character remains unnamed.
* She was named "Clis" (which is another possible romanization of her Japanese name "クリス") in at least two image files from Game Freak's Japanese website: [https://web.archive.org/web/20011006025213/http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/pokemon/GALLERY/CLIS.JPG CLIS.JPG] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20011130150140/http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/POKEMON/GALLERY/WORKS/CLIS_2.JPG CLIS_2.JPG].
** Both images used to have their modification date listed as March 2, 2001.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20010303100537/http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/pokemon/GALLERY/</ref> This indicates that she already had her Japanese name at the time, decades before she used it in [[Pokémon Masters EX]]. (notwithstanding the Japanese manual, which used that name for both the male and female player characters)
* The first known use of the name "Kris" in English (aside from the list of optional names for the player character) was on the back of the American and Australian boxart of Pokémon Crystal. Unlike the Japanese manual, this specifically referred to the female player character.
* Years later, she also debuted in Pokémon Masters EX, where she was named {{mas|Kris}} (Japanese: クリス ''Kris'') for the first time in-game.

{| class="roundy" style="float:left; background: #{{crystal color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{crystal color}}"
|- style="text-align:center"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Japanese
| クリス ''Kris''
| From ''{{game|Crystal}}''
|- style="background: #FFF"
| English
| Kris
| Same as her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| German
| Krista
| Similar to her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Spanish
| Cristi
| Similar to her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| French
| Christy
| Similar to her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Italian
| Kristy
| Similar to her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Korean
| 크리스 ''Keuriseu''
| Transcription of her Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 克麗絲 / 克丽丝 ''Kèlìsī''
| Transcription of her Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 克麗絲 ''Hāaklaihsī''
| Mandarin-based transcription of her Japanese name
|}
{{-}}

==References==
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{{Player characters|crystal}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal characters]]
[[Category:Stadium 2 characters]]
[[Category:Champions]]
[[Category:Trainers with Legendary Pokémon]]

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Talk:Kris (game)

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Talk:Kris (game)

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[[Image:Kris.png|thumb|right]]
Just a question, but where exactly is "Kris" the official spelling? "Crys" or "Crystal" make more sense to me, considering the names of the other heroes.--[[User:Biccy|Biccy]] 19:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's in the list of available names. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 20:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

::Additionally, the back of the US [[Pokémon Crystal|Crystal]] box says in one area, "New female trainer '''Kris''' faces the {{p|Unown}}." If that and the screenshot are not confirmation enough, I don't know what is. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::>>; It's been many a year since I looked at the box, but gotcha.--[[User:Biccy|Biccy]] 19:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== Is this worth adding? ==

Is it worth adding? [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 11:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:Stretched, enlarged GBC overworld sprite? Think not... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:Isn't it darker than usual? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, and it's just an overworld sprite. I don't think it's worth adding. --'''[[Johto|☆]][[User:Alpha Totodile|A]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|T]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|♂]]''' 12:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Ah sorry, I let my brother mess around on my account because he said he wanted to do some editing (but was too lazy to make his own). Sorry for the trouble. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 16:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== MERGE TIIIIME ==

Yes or no. Soul is Kris. Merge it here? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:28, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:Source? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 21:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::Look at bulbanews. If you need a link, top of the news stuff on the main page. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::How does that confirm that Soul is Kris? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Ask the Echidna. You ''do'' realize that he's the Editor-in-Chief, right? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 22:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, but what does that have to do with this? - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::No. Don't merge. One thing from Crystal does not mean everything from Crystal. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Seconded. - [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 22:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Let's just say hypothetically that she is Soul, but the game drops the name Kris but keeps Soul. Does that mean we start calling her Soul? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pretty much, yea. If there's no concrete evidence relating her to Kris, then she's a completely new character. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 14:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

== Do we know for sure? ==

The article's "Trivia" section clearly states that Kris "is ''not'' the female choice" in [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver]]. However, it is not clear whether she and Soul are the same character or not. In addition, all other articles with information pertaining to the subject are in [[King of Pokélantis|possession]] of far greater neutrality. I suggest that this text be changed to read "is ''believed'' not to be the female choice". I'd do it myself, but it seems that the article has been Protected, and therefore, only an Administrator can make the suggested change. Anyone agree with me? [[User:Glitchipedia|This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia]] 03:17, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== Should we add? ==

Since some people don't know about Soul yet, can't there be a link to Soul(game) at the top?--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 01:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀
:Why? It's at the bottom. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't see that! But shouldn't we put like: ''This is about the female hero of Crystal. If your'e looking for the female hero of HeartGold and SoulSilver, Please click here.''
--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master is the Master of Bulbasaur, Turtwig, and, most reacently, Chikorita.]] 16:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Can't someone talk!?!--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master is the Master of Bulbasaur, Turtwig♀, and most reacently, Chikorita♂]] 13:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

:I don't see the point in even having a separate article for the HG/SS design. It's the same storyline and they're both the female player character in it, so it makes more sense to put them into a single article regardless of whether they are the same character or not.[[User:Jeff|-Jeff]][[User talk:Jeff|(talk)]] 16:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

==Err==
I was going to add Kris' backsprite (KrisBack.png) to the article, not realizing the page was protected... could somebody do this for me or should I just wait until after HGSS come out? T_T [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 04:55, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

==Kotone/Soul==
This should probably be updated to reflect Soul's real name (Kotone) and how she is definitely a new character/Kris' replacement/etc, I'd do it myself but the page is still protected. :P [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 00:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:I was just about to add a section about this myself. But seriously, Admin's you need to get on the ball when it comes to Relinking! I would do it myself as well, but; like Zesty said; It's protected. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 03:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Confirmation that Soul and Kris are separate chars ==

I just looked at Serebii and noticed that Soul is present in the preview pics for the next episode in Japan. When that episode airs, we should know for sure whether or not Soul and Kris are the same character, as we have seen Marina (Kris's anime counterpart) in the past. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 21:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:That's kinda... [[Kotone_(anime)|old news]]. D: also, her official name according to Pokémon Sunday is actually Kotone, not Soul. :P [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 21:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Unblock the page ==

It's not like anything needs to be protected, what with Kotone's revelation and all. {{color|28E228|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 00:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC) [[User talk:Bulbafan|My talk page]]}}

== The lookalike? ==

Is it a trainer class, NPC in Pokémon Stadium 2, it needs to be more specific.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:You're right. Does anyone have a pic of it? By the way MB, you did your sig twice... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Oh I did?, I'm sorry, did not mean to. Anyways, can we trace back to whoever wrote it in and get more info? To see if there is a lookalike.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::It was Zesty. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::::[[File:S2_Heroine.png]] This is the Stadium 2 girl when you use a Crystal game with Kris selected as the player character. Not very alike other than the hair... vaguely... →''[[User:Tina|'''T'''inā]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]] 01:22, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::That looks nothing like Kris. I'm removing the trivia. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::The only place I saw Kris's picture (i.e. an actual Kris picture) in Stadium 2 was in the credits against the rival. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Can you provide a screen shot?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::In retrospect she's more of a female Red lookalike than a Kris lookalike, but she still only appears if you're playing as Kris... so I reworded it as more of a side note. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I'd say that she's more similar to Kotone. But it's just me. But she's as much Kris's "counterpart" as the player boy is both Red's and Gold's counterpart. Why don't we have them mentioned on their respective pages? However, the thing on her icon appearing in Stadium 2 credits is TOTALLY worth noting. I'll try to beat Silver and get the screenshot of credits. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

== Kris in Pokemon Stadium 2 ==

[[a:File:Kris PS2.png]]
This is the only thing I can do, if it's not good enough, then, is there a way to get it from the game? It's in the credits just to add.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:Do you have a way of taking screenshots? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::Well, i took that from my computer from a youtube video, and I cropped it just to show that she appears in the game. But, I have no other way to get a pic of her.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I can hopefully get a better screenshot, I just need to know where exactly in the game that image appears. Does it appear anywhere else in the game besides the credits? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 02:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure, i was watching the ending and just noticed her. If you can get a better pic, it would be nice. I might look at the ending again to see if there anything else useful.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:11, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::Well, I wouldn't recommend capturing off a Youtube video, but a Youtube video does make a good reference for time code references. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wba6WwOj5IM Try this video] around the 3:48 mark; bottom right of the battle scene, Kris's icon appears in her original {{v2|Crystal}} incarnation (for obvious reasons; odds are her {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} redesign probably wasn't even on the drawing board yet), with the opposite corner having the [[Generation II]] [[Silver (game)|rival]]. It's the second-to-last such scene played in the credits (the last such scene, the one after Kris's appearance, has an interesting anime allusion involving {{ga|Blue}} and {{ga|Red}}). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Kris appears there because... Stadium 2 was Generation II. Duh? That's like saying that Ash in his Kanto/Orange/Johto clothes in an old episode is because they hadn't thought of the Hoenn or Sinnoh outfits yet. It's... because that's what he wore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I uploaded a better version from The Spriters Resource and added the portrait to the page. "Portrait from the credits in Stadium 2": is that right? Is "Credits portrait from Stadium 2" better? --[[User:RafaelGN|RafaelGN]] ([[User talk:RafaelGN|talk]]) 21:18, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

== Merger tiems ==

So {{adv|Crystal}} is dressed in Lyra's outfit in the HGSS chapter, just like how {{adv|Green}} was dressed as Leaf. Like the RGB girl who never made it in is Leaf, the GSC girl who never made it in until Crystal ''is'' Lyra. Lyra is Kris, and Ethan is Gold. Maxim, you can feel free to blow a gasket now, but the fact that she has two anime counterparts means nothing, because so does Red. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:14, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
: There is one difference here, there is early RGB game art that features Green, which proves that she was indeed a planned character in the RGB story. No such hints exist for Kris as far as I know (?), and since the games are the ultimate canon in the franchise, it would be more assuring to have concrete evidence from the game canon that Lyra is Kris. This could be a case like Adventure's confirmation that Giovanni was Silver's father, but as I recall, we didn't take that as 100% confirmed canon until we got confirmation via HGSS. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 06:36, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::I don't see why it would be impossible for them to be separate characters in the games, yet the same character in ''Adventures'' on the basis that the artists are lazy. Interested persons may also wish to see [[Talk: Lyra (game)]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

is it just mere stupidity or a matter of unacceptability that people here cannot face the fact that lyra is indeed kris reasons:

:1) lyra is a vast design of kris which infact shown on how the manga artist of adventures doesn't use a color blue hair for kris but brown.
:2) kris is indeed a beta design for lyra because during that time the color scheme for lyra's hair was not available for gameboy color.
:3) how the f*** told you that this character's name is kris is it just fan name like how ethan was named gold before he was officially named.
:4) look at her clothes does it clearly resembles the one lyra was wearing even the hair style they just add a ribbon on her hat you didn't recognize her.
:5) and lastly she could have two anime counterpart like how ash and ritchie is based on red.
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 08:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Eh... I've seen that coming. There is one thing that makes me mad. That Ritchie is saw as Red's counterpart here. Ritchie is a counterpart of Ash, there's nothing in him that could be based directly on Red. His team is pretty much Ash's team, the clothes are even less similar to Red's ones than Ash's. Ash is the only real Red's countepart. Also, look at what Kusaka have done with the Team Rocket Executives. This makes his decision on Lyra/Kris even less reliable. We've got two contradicting ones. I don't see how we should trust Special but not the anime - I can see why people think that Special is better and conveys the game world much better than anime. But it's still not the same thing. We've got no proof on the game's side on who "Lyra" really is (or rather, who Kris really is). It's also annoying how so many people compare this situation to Blue/"Leaf". She was just a beta design for RGB. We don't even know if they really wanted to put her in the game. Kris, on the other side, was a FINAL thing. And she had her blue hair even in the artwork. It doesn't have anything to do with the GBC pallette. We should not judge the games by other canons, since if we ignore them, there is nothing that could confirm either scenario (aside from some fan-worked "patterns"). It's simply safer to consider them separate for the games. The "battle" between New-Lyra and Old-Lyra is now 1:1. It's a draw. And draw means, that we must not change anything. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:23, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:Usually I sit back and mind my own buisness, but this time... I'll have to disagree with you TTE. Look, Lyra and Kris. Both got their own ''official'' names. Also, they have different looks. Very different. Two different anime counterparts as well, although you say that doesn't count. Pokemon Adventures does not matter, they just did that because they didn't have a name for Lyra. They can't name her after the recent games, because they are basically Gold and Silver. Also, what about in the Gold and Silver arc? With Chermaine and Keane. Does that mean we have to fuse their articles with Archer and Arianna? Maybe they just dropped Krys to add a new spin for HG/SS? Either way, I don't think that they are the same person. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 12:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::I kind of feel the same way about keeping the articles apart. Crystal winding up in Lyra's clothing isn't conclusive on the matter at all. I could say the reason it was done so was because the "versions" of HG and SS are already covered in {{adv|Gold}} and {{adv|Silver}} and so as to not create a protagonist that would fall out of the version name theme. It's one thing to create a character for a version, such as Emerald and Yellow, but to need to sort out a version issue for a new character? Better to go with the easy way out (by amalgamating the two), than having to wage war on what to call the new character that continues the theme (when there's no possible way to). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I think the games and anime should stay apart still. [[Marina (Johto)]] and [[Lyra (anime)]] are completely different characters, and [[Kris (game)]] and [[Lyra (game)]] are completely different characters. Just because the manga was too lazy to make a new character doesn't mean anything. The manga is hardly official cannon, as stated above. While it does give good second opinions, it does not trump the games and anime. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:57, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::The anime doesn't trump the manga either. They're too different to compare. And since there's no proof between collaborative effort between anyone from GF and Kusaka, no one can use it as proof that he's doing what GF meant for it to be all along: that they are the same. Honestly though, if they meant for Lyra to be Kris, why is Ethan still retain the major traits of Hiro, but Lyra get nothing from Kris...except maybe her short-shorts and redecoed pigtails? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::The anime appears on Pokemon.com. The manga doesn't. That sort of makes the anime more official then Adventures. Plus, really, if you look at both of them, they don't really look anything alike. Gold and Ethan look alike 5x more then Kris and Lyra do. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 15:14, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::No manga appears on Pokemon.com that isn't based on the anime. Which is the point. They're an entirely different venture. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::I think the only thing this proves is that a hypothetical "Adventures Lyra" does not exist, with Crystal taking the role on. Adventures also seems less apt to just go out and retcon things in the continuity, where, obviously, Gamefreak doesn't mind retconning various things in the games if the Johto Regional Pokédex means anything. And didn't Pokémon Sunday say that they were different characters, or is that a fandom myth?--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 16:23, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Either it's a fandom myth, or Gold and Ethan are also different characters. Nobody in their right mind would think one was a redesign and the other is a replacement--the only reasons anyone would buy would either be "if Gold is Ethan then Kris is Lyra" or "if Kris is not Lyra then Gold is not Ethan". Nobody in their right mind would buy "Gold is Ethan but Kris is not Lyra"; it would also take a loony to claim that "Gold is not Ethan but Kris is Lyra". Do keep in mind that several Crystal elements made their way into the game as well; as far as I'm concerned, the female player character is one of them. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:34, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's entirely possible to think "Ethan = Gold but Lyra =/= Kris," because Kris and Lyra look nothing alike, compared to Ethan and Gold, who basically got his same clothing upgrade, and doesn't stray far ''at all'' from his original design. All the Crystal elements in the world do not prove one way or another that Lyra is, in fact, ''meant'' to be Kris (and it's only our opinion [at this point] if she is or isn't), on the principle that neither Silver nor Gold got so completely retcon'd in their 2.0 appearance. Also, if she was meant to be the epitome of Kris, why isn't she being treated like Kris? Why does Lyra exist as a separate entity from Ethan, when Kris and Hiro were interchangeable (akin to Red and Leaf)? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::First off, let me say, Pikablu, that you shouldn't be going around and calling users insane or looney. That's just mean, and is technically cyber-bullying.
:::::::::Also, Luna Tiger is right. Gold ''is'' Ethan. Gold wasn't his official name and HG/SS gave him one. Obviously Gold and Ethan are the same person. Lyra and Marina (I call her Marina, so if you see Marina, I mean Krys) have a huge difference between each other. Like I said before, if you fuse Lyra and Marina, that'd be like fusing Chermaine with Arianna, even though they are two different characters. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 18:19, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Wah, cyber-bullying. I see that... ''term'', to use the word loosely, I think instantly one of two things: user is not to be taken seriously, or user is a complete wimp. It's the internets, grow a thicker skin.
::::::::::As for Gold not being his official name... well look at the first dang page of the instruction book for Gold. Ta dah! Gold! And it's one N, dammit. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:13, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::I was just stating that for his sake, not for mine. Honestly, I could care less what people call me, but he's gotten in trouble for this before. And I'm sorry, but does it really matter how to spell it, though? You know who I'm talking about XD [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 21:18, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Just to point it out, the "official" naming of Kris as "Kris" was only on the US box from what I can tell. The back of the Japanese box (seen [http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B00005OVBL/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_1?ie=UTF8&index=1 here]) doesn't refer to her as "{{tt|クリス|Kris}}" at all, but as "{{tt|女の子の主人公|Girl Protagonist}}" (the full sentence includes Gold, who is merely called {{tt|男の子[の主人公]|Boy [Protagonist]}}, the "主人公" part implied by the use of the {{tt|と|and}} particle). However, I have no access to the manual to say it wasn't in there either. Either way, "Gold" became Hibiki/Ethan despite being referred to as "Gold" in the manual, and yet similar evidence is used to keep "Kris" separate from Kotone/Lyra? Kotone is not ''completely'' different from "Kris" as people are claiming, so I don't get why these characters with the same situation as Gold/Hibiki/Ethan are being kept separate. The only place these two are ''confirmed'' to be separate people is in the anime. --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 21:57, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
(reset indent) Mind if I butt in? I think that they gave Kris Lyra's clothes in Adventures because if they made a new character, what were they going to name her? "HeartGold" or "SoulSilver"? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Indent reset~
:Just because they're the same in the manga doesn't make them the same in the games. If this is "proof" they're the same, then Lyra in the anime is ''just as much'' proof that they're different. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure ハート/Heart or ソウル/Soul. It's not like the fandom didn't call her one of the two before her name was revealed. They gave Kris Kotone's clothes because she's ''supposed'' to be a redesign of Kris, not a new character. Her hair is a clear show of that. Yes, it's not blue nor does it have that wacky 90-degree bend, but can anyone really say it's ''completely'' different? After all, PokéSpe HGSS Kris looks like what a PokéSpe Kotone would probably look like, with slightly darker hair.
::But still, personally I don't like how Gold = Hibiki/Ethan when we can say he was called "Gold" in the manuals while Kris =/= Kotone/Lyra because her name was on the back of the box. They're similar situations, so I don't get why one merges and the other doesn't. And that has ''nothing'' to do with the anime/manga. :/ --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 22:19, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::If they're meant to be the same, then why didn't the anime make them the same as well? Manga canon and game canon are seperate, and just because it's true in one does not mean it's true in the other. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:22, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::As are game canon and anime canon. What I think the reasoning is for calling Kotone/Lyra by her game name rather than "Marina" is because of the game name = anime name that they seem to like doing these days. Also, "Marina" and "Jimmy" can be point to why "Kris" and "Gold" weren't real names for them, but I won't go into that. However, my second point still stands. Ignoring both anime and manga canon, Gold/Hibiki/Ethan was in similar situation as Kris/Kotone/Lyra. He was called "Gold" in the manual while she was called "Kris" on the back of the box. Why is one joined and the other not? --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 22:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Because Gold and Ethan look almost exactly the same. If they meant for Gold and Ethan to be different, they would have given the male player a completely new design, which they didn't. However, Kris and Lyra look ''nothing'' alike. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:41, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm aware game and anime canon are seperate as well. The point with Ethan is he's pretty clearly Gold, his design hasn't changed much at all. Lyra, however, only has the hair to go by. It's never made clear in the games if they're the same, they are the same in the manga, and they're clearly different in the anime. Sooo I think we shouldn't assume either way and leave them seperate until someone at GameFreak pretty much outright says it. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::You can't really say they are the same character because their hair looks alike. Their hair is not really similar at all. As you sated, I think Lyra in the anime and games is a whole different character. Just because Crystal dresses as Lyra, doesn't mean they are, in other cannon, the same character. Pokemon Adventures =/= official cannon for everything. It is written by a third party. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::Urgh, I really hate this argument because it's really clear Kotone is just a vast redesign of Kris. Why does the fact she got a larger overhaul than Hibiki mean she's a new person. She's not. Kotone's design is ''clearly'' based off Kris, no matter how vastly redesigned. Seriously, why does this make her a brand new character. It's not just the hair, her outfit shares a similar color scheme, she still has the hoodie part, and her overalls have shorts rather than a skirt they could have opted for, and her shirt is red as well. I find it funny people were quick to call her a Mario clone, but fail to see the similarities to a character design ''in the same franchise''. --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 22:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:What harm is it to keep them separate, when official they have not been announced as the same character? It does not help anything to merge them. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::I'm of the same opinion Blake's got. And NyaChan, believe me, I wanted Lyra ot be Kris when she was first revealed. But I'm not seeing any of those similarities you're listing at all beyond hair - and even then, the color is different. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:56, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm got the same opinion as you two. It's not officially announced, and there are hardly any similarities. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:59, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Nor does it harm to merge it. =3= The only problem I see is people will whine about how they think Kotone is "toooootally different from 'Kris'". As for the blue hair thing: Blue hair is no longer relevant (since blue = signature color for Crystal version), thus they changed it to brown. And wasn't it mentioned somewhere between this and Kotone's talk page that prototype designs for "Kris" had her with brown hair anyways? As for you not seeing the similarities: You seriously can't see both girls have a red shirt, have some form of shorts and have white/red as prominent colors in their outfit? Huh, guess I must be going even more blind. --[[User:NyaChan|NyaChan]] 23:00, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Okay, so there's some similarities in color, but I wouldn't sya enough to support it. And Kris only ever had brown hair in the manga, if I remember right. But back to the point I was making: Confirmation in the manga does not equal confirmation in the games. And until someone at GameFreak comes out and says "Lyra and Kris are the same", then I don't believe they should be merged. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 23:07, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::And it '''does''' harm to merge the two, because what if it turns out they /are/ separate characters? Then you have to unmerge them. Whereas leaving them unmerged only to learn of sure they are the same person...less work and not guess work (because wouldn't it be silly if we were right the first time, and wrong the second, only to correct it?). There is no solid, indisputable proof she is or isn't meant to be Kris. We're not talking Crystal, we're not talking Marina; we're talking Kris, and game canon is game canon, and no manga or anime canon is going to have a same in what game canon is. Because we can argue this left and right, there's no standing why they should be merged. They should be treated as two different people until otherwise stated. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Also, what exactly makes the Pokemon Adventures manga cannon? Because Satoshi Tajiri said "This is the comic that most resembles the world I was trying to convey."? He said that over 10 years ago. That doesn't mean everything in it is 100% cannon. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 00:12, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::"Game canon is not anime/manga canon". Yeah. Well then Kris ''never'' existed, nor did Leaf. Deletion time. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:51, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::No, it's "Anime/manga canon isn't game canon." Special says they are, anime says they aren't, and the games vouch for neither. What's the justification when the manga isn't proof? Because otherwise, Leaf would be Green, now wouldn't she? Since Special ''must'' be right. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

There were only 2 reasons that Lyra wasn't Kris. One was because they had two separate anime counterparts. However, Crystal was the counterpart that they both shared. So both cancel each other out. Another reason is that they look vastly redesigned as opposed to Ethan and Silver. But Morty and Sabrina were also vastly redesigned as opposed to their fellow Gym Leaders. Kris/Lyra play the same role and have similar enough features. They're as about as recognizable to each other as RGBY!Red is to FRLG!Red. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 02:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:The "similar features" being gender and hairstyle...
:The difference between Lyra and the Red or Gym Leaders is there is absolutely no doubt the Gym Leaders and Red are meant to be who they are. The games pretty clearly state it. But the only evidence that Kris and Lyra are the same is in the manga, and the manga one isn't the same characters as the game ones. Whereas game-wise it doesn't say anything either way. And to coutner the manga, the anime has them as two distinct people.
:Until someone at GF comes out and says "Lyra is Kris", then the merge should nt tbe done.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 03:09, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

::Sorry if anyone was offended by my "loony" comment. Wasn't aimed at anyone specific, mind you. Gotta remain in good standing so I don't end up the second sysop ever to end up on probation, despite all this fire getting tossed around...

::Anyway, what's keeping said Game Freak staffer from explicitly saying Gold is not Ethan? Maybe we ought to get wind of this argument over to Game Freak's ears, then we'll probably get something...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:20, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

::What do you mean there is no other evidence? They play the same role: the Johto female protagonist. Other Crystal elements were retained; why wouldn't she be retained too? Plus, if she was really a new character, wouldn't she have been advertised as such when her artwork first surfaced?
:::Let's also keep this in mind. They renamed the Tin Tower, added two routes and a Safari Zone, changed Kanto's into Pal Park... What's so strange about renaming a girl who had a version-name (Kris, from Crystal) in Gen II a normal name in Gen IV? Ethan did it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:03, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Nothing, if there was more than a single manga series saying it. I'm not saying Lyra couldn't be Kris, but unless it's actually confirmed for the game character, I don't believe they should be merged. Isn't that Bulbapedia's policy anyway? Don't add it unitl we're 100%, and as far as the game versions of these characters go we ''aren't''. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes. Exactly. And this is also why I'm against any kind of voting about the matter. Because in this case voting will be merely a battle of opinions, not any officially confirmed stuff, which the policy tells us to follow. Having them in separate articles is simply safer. We don't insist that [[Brock (anime)]] is a separate character from [[Brock]], do we? As long as there's no official word about the identity of her in the games. It's currently a draw between the anime and PokeSpe. And draw isn't deciding. I know, TTE, that you want this to be moved desperately but what's the sense of Bulbapedia's existence when it becomes an admin's personal playground of his crazy theories about fandom, instead of a reliable source of information? "Why couldn't rename and redesign her, if they did X, Y, Z before" isn't a reason. "Why not" is never a reason. As long as we don't get any more official "hints" about the matter, then we can talk about the change. As for now, we should leave everything as-is. Also, if we state that Kris MAY be an old version of Lyra (as she is in PokeSpe) clearly on the main head of the article, no one should really get offended. Bulbapedia isn't a place where heated battles of opinions should happen (especially when started by admins). Let's try to be objective and chill the hell out. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:02, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::Maxim, I totally 100% agree with you. We should keep the articles separate until ''official'' sources say so (keyword = official). Bulbapedia is all about true informomation, unlike the Pokemon wiki, who last time I visited, said that there was a over 200 new Pokemon, and an article on each one. Reason why I came here, it had true stuff about Pokemon! It got rid of all 'fan speculation' and all that crap that was out there. I understand that TTE is an admin and all, but to me, he's a regular person right now. If we merge the article of Krys and Lyra, then we'll turn into Pokemon wiki. Honestly, I don't want that to happen. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 12:14, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:What, are you kidding me? All you guys are just whiners that HGSS isn't exactly the same game as GSC. ''Wah they moved Suicune'', ''wah Bell Tower'', ''wah Johto dex'', ''wah Lyra's not Kris''. If Lyra is not Kris, then Leaf is not based on the unreleased Gen I girl. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::We aren't whining, so stop acting silly. The difference is, Kris was a real character. Green/pre-leaf was just a few pieces of art. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 18:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I could care less about HG/SS. That's not what this discussion is about. It's about keeping characters separate. And I dunno about you, but I've never seen any pics with Green's face? Just her back with Blastoise on R/B/G. For all we know, her face could have looked like a wooly mammoth, but that's beside the point. I would say something, but it's not my right to say it. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 19:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not whining, I'm saying we follow Bulbapedia's policy. You know, don't add until we're absolutely, no-doubt certain. And the thing is, as far as the game versions of these characters go, we aren't. I thought an admin of all people would be trying to enforce this policy, TTE, not directly go against it. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 19:19, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::You know what, TTE? You just revealed your true colors. You just showed everyone that you're a whiner who wants everything on Bulbapedia to be as he wants. All that I used in this discussion were rational reasons. So did most people who agreed with me. And then, when a discussion seemed to shape up and a bud of a reasonable consensus was forming, you just came in baaaawing and whining and accusing OTHER PEOPLE of whining. It was miserable, man. What you just did is funny and sad at the same time. Go on, TTE. Merge the pages. You can even ban me if you want. You just want to merge the pages so there's nothing we can do. But why did you even start the discussion if you just wanted to merge the pages uncompromisingly from the start? I'm disappointed at you, TTE. I'm disappointed on Bulbapedia. I might have been whining about HGSS in the past, sure. But for this matter, you are the only whiner that I can see around. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:40, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::W-wait a minute! Let's keep this civilized, people, please? This is a discussion, we don't need to be name calling. Although I am slightly confused at why TTE would abandon his own rules like this, there is still no need for name calling! [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 19:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Okay. But how can I treat a person whose only reason is "You're all just stupid whiners, so you must all STFU" in the middle of a sensible discussion? It's a blatant proof that someone has no true reasons. And I think it should be also the end of this comedy. I just said how I see TTE's last activity in this talk. And I tried to do this calmly and clearly at the same time. I didn't mean for any "name-calling", I just wanted to make him get rid of the whiny emotions that restrain his mind. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

:To lighten the mood a bit, what's this about Betagirl looking like a woolly mammoth?
:http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3330177/woollymammoth.png
:[[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::Lmao! Umeko, you are now my most favorite person. Lol, that's so funny! At least now I know where to go if I'm down. Would you mind if I asked you to send that to me by my e-mail? {{unsigned|Littlmiget123}}
:::Haha, it was my pleasure. :3 Not sure why you need it sent by email, if you want to save it you can just right-click→save as...
:::And to actually contribute something to the conversation here, I don't think the two should be merged. Kris was at least notable in that she was the very first female PC implemented into the game, if nothing else. :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Lol, I'm still laughing about that. I started crying I was laughing so hard. You made me forget to sign XP. Oh, okay then. I saved it, that's so awesome! And that's true about the first playable female character. You can't really put that on a page called 'Lyra'? I don't know this discussion is getting ridiculous. Plus, the bottom section proves that this was just a bunch of baloney. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 20:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

== Word from Game Freak about Kris and Lyra's identity problem ==

Regarding the identity debate that has resurfaced in light of the latest manga development, I believe that Game Freak may not have been so vague, after all. According to the bottom of this page [[http://outdoor.geocities.jp/twnfh640/pokemon2.ds.html]], [[Takao Unno]] (HeartGold and SoulSilver's art director) was quoted in a Nintendo Dream interview as saying that "Lyra is a new character that was not designed with the female player character from Pokémon Crystal in mind". I've been aware of this page for some time now, but I've refrained from mentioning it until now since it also claims that some (possibly the same) interview clarified that the programmers of Pokéwalker did not recognize its resemblance to the Pocket Pikachu pedometer. This claim is refuted by the famous "Iwata Asks" interview [[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/iwata/iwata_asks_-_pokmon_heartgold_version__soulsilver_version_16288_16289.html], where Ishihara states that the Pokéwalker is the successor to Pocket Pikachu (it was Nintendo and Creatures that had forgotten about Pocket Pikachu when they developed a pedometer game called Activity Meter).

That said, I'm inclined to take the quote about Kris and Lyra at face value, but I don't want to see it misused until we can verify the source (which I believe is the Nintendo Dream issue released in last September). It does make one wonder what Ken Sugimori's role in all of this was; is it possible that Lyra's illustration was drawn by Takao Unno instead? -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 20:01, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Amen! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:05, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::And I hope that's the end of that.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 20:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::I want fellow members to help me find that interview, as opposed to patting themselves on the back for (probably) being right. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 20:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much, Unown Lord. You just saved us about 2 more days worth of fighting. I'd read the article, but I can't read japanese XD [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 20:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::[http://pokemon-memo.com/tag/unno-takao/ 1]. Another source stating the interview. As far as I can read and make something out of electronical translations, it seems like "The Female Protagonist of HeartGold/SoulSilver was created from scratch, without the consciousness of Crystal Female". Though, I'd like someone who can understand Japanese better than me to confirm it. But I feel the sweet smell of an ending... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 21:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::"According to Unno Takao-shi, the female protagonist of HeartGold/SoulSilver was designed from scratch, without taking mind of the female protagonist from Crystal," pretty much.
:::::::The article also says that the male and female protagonists for HGSS were not designed by Sugimori as all previous ones have been, but by Unno under Sugimori's supervision. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::So that's that, then? It's just a matter of finding where this interview came from, which shouldn't be too hard it can't be that o;ld. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 23:15, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::The second article says that the interview is from the November 2009 issue of Nintendo Dream, which was released in September around the remakes' release (I don't know why the magazine's naming system is two months ahead). -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]
:::::::::...still doesn't explain Lyra having such short shorts, but it does explain Dawn. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:44, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::I think that the far more pertinent question is why Sugimori agreed to Lyra being designed from scratch and his own character, Kris, not being carried over to the remakes. That Kris was not playable in Gold and Silver is merely an excuse, and the quote doesn't say that directly. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 05:38, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
So now that this has been settled, should we remove the merger templates from this and Lyra's pages? [[User:Reign|Reign]] 07:50, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:Jeez, I don't look at my watchlist in a couple of days and -bam-, all this occurs. Looking at the two sources posted, it does seem as if they specifically say that Lyra was designed from scratch and is not the same as Kris. So merging the two articles would be pretty pointless.
:Also, TTE, you've just proven to all of us that you pretty much don't give two shits about sticking to rules, guidelines and the like, and instead want everything to be your way. First your wild reasoning of "hey, PokéSpecial did it like this, so let's apply the manga to the entire canon!", when everyone knows Special is completely separate to everything else; and secondly, your selfish edit protecting of this page for a month just so no-one would remove the merge template. That's just damn childish. You really shouldn't abuse your position as a 'pedia admin like that. You've done it enough in other places over the past few months just to get your way... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 12:45, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
::I protected the page so that no one, mid-argument, could come in and say "NUH UH LYERS NOT CHRIS". I figured we'd not reach consensus this early. And considering the fact that Adventures is ''based on the games'' and the previous remakes' female protagonist's clothing was used by the third-version-named girl in Adventures... yeah, it was possible that we had been wrong to make Lyra and Kris separate pages. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:27, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

== Don't believe that guy ==

Since I'm banned from Bulbagarden (by the way, dear admins, isn't it the time to lift that undeserved and insane ban from me? I've been away from Bulbagarden just long enough to atone for my "crime") and I can't answer there, the only thing that I can do is protect Bulbapedia from further harm that some random guy on Bulbagarden Forums may do. [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showpost.php?p=1593797&postcount=69 In this post on Bulbagarden Forums] one guy (random and seemingly inexperienced) tries to convince people that what Unno says is supposed to prove the otherwise of our consensus. This is, that Kris and Lyra are same characters. However, his "translation" (allegedly done by his "Japanese-fluent girlfriend") is nothing more than a misinterpretation. It's a wishful interpretation of someone who can't admit that the two aren't same and one characters. First, he cites the "crucial" sentence totally out of context, obscuring its meaning. Unno doesn't says anything about "redesign". What Unno really says that Crystal female character and HGSS female character were designed independently. 意識 means "consciousness" or "senses" (not "concern"), I've checked that in multiple dictionaries. There's no way that the word could be misinterpreted. Also, the particle せず means "without". So, do the maths. Also, he completely ignored the word 新規, which means "new" or "original". Unno used this word in relation to Lyra, very obviously. He also completely ignored what Unno said about Ethan. It's very easy to obscure the intended meaning of out-of-context sentence in a foreign language. And this guy seems to be a master at this. But don't believe him. All he's doing is setting an additional, illegal hurdle on the last metre of our long way to consensus. There are always stubborn people who can't admit the truth and argue with the facts. Some people simply can't understand that the Earth isn't flat and even taking them into space won't convince them. So, for your own sanity and the sanity of Bulbapedia, ignore this guy. He's not a person to be believed. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:Oh lord, is this really not done yet? That guy's just grasping at straws now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 19:13, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::We have ended this. Just because the manga says they are the same, doesn't mean they are. They don't even look that similar. I don't see any resemblance at all, other then they have pigtails sticking out the sides, and they both have shorts instead of skirts. [[May (game)|May]] has hair coming out the sides, and wears shorts. Does that mean she is Kris also? Just because Kris and Lyra have the same roles, doesn't mean they are the same person. The manga just didn't want to go through the trouble of making a new character for the HGSS volumes. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:::You don't need to keep restating that, Blake. The interview already confirmed they're seperate, the guy on the forums is making up translations that don't exist. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Her name. ==

No, this isn't about her and Lyra. Though I do think they're one in the same..Anyway, isn't "Kris" just a nickname or shortening of her name, Crystal? Is that note-worthy? Or is her name literally "Kris"? There really hasn't been anything on her name other then the english Crystal manuals and box art, which listed her as "Kris". [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think it is the default name. Plus, it is the first choice. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:09, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::I believe the "Kris/Crys is short for Crystal" only appears in the Pokémon Adventures manga (which does NOT consitute game canon, on the record...) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:::She's called it in "Golden Boys" too. Then again, that manga calls Silver "Black". So I'm guessing "Kris" is simply a reference to "Crystal" rather then a nickname. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== The anime is no longer credible concerning Kris/Lyra's identity ==

Ethan got a new counterpart in the 13th movie despite Jimmy already being Gold's counterpart. This proves that the anime isn't above recreating existing characters, unless you want to argue that Gold and Ethan aren't the same person either. Of course, this doesn't prove Kris being Lyra, but between the anime's loss of credibility and the article about Lyra's design having questionable credibility as well, the whole "Kris isn't Lyra" argument isn't solid either. {{unsigned|Legendary Rotom}}

== Kris originally in HGSS ==

My friend had tried to hack into the HeartGold ROM and he found some old files for the PokeGear, which proves that Kris was originally going to appears in HGSS. http://i46.tinypic.com/29apf86.png

Thought it would be nice to include in trivia. [[User:Mattii|Mattii]] ([[User talk:Mattii|talk]]) 16:18, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

== STADIUM 2 Portrait? ==

I saw that there was one above, If there is one someone should try to get it because it would be an awesome addition to BP. Anyone think they can do it? {{unsigned|AnimeMagic}}

== Missing Overworld Sprites ==

It seems there is only one Overworld sprite for Kris which is when she is facing forwards. Are the side and upward facing sprites generic or just missing? There also don't appear to be any sprites for Kris in HG or SS. {{unsigned|Pokepro97}}
:Why would we need images of overworld kris facing left, right or up? it's unnecessary. Kris wasn't in HGSS, so naturally she wouldn't have overworld sprites from those games.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:48, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
::Because she is in Generation II and people use the sprites to identify them. If I saw the sideways sprites, I might actually recogise if I remember her ingame or not and whether I am on the right page or not. {{unsigned|Pokepro97}}
:::How do you not know if the player character is in the game? [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 02:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
::::So... people won't recognize the sprite of Kris facing the screen? And there are plenty of images on this [age to make you realize that you're on the right page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:28, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::More than one picture helps. Overall, they are images from the game and there is no harm in having them on there, even if just a link to the archives to make the article complete. [[User:Pokepro97|Pokepro97]] ([[User talk:Pokepro97|talk]]) 05:24, 17 April 2014 (UTC).

== {{template|unknown name}}? ==
Why is it that Kris has this template at the top of her page when all other player characters are considered to have their default name as their "official name"? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 17:18, 4/6/2014 (UTC)
:Most of the other characters are either in the as a rival character, which only uses one name (the player characters in RSE/DPPt/HGSS/BW/BW2/XY), from internal data (Leaf), or they show up in other games (Red and Blue). Kris' name isn't used in anything besides on box art. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 17:32, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
::How is that ''not'' official? That's the closest '''any''' core series player character has to an official name, even if it is only on the English releases. Everybody's chomping at the bit to change things to "official" names that're only words used to refer to things ''without'' naming them (base stats/EVs), how is something that explicitly shows us the company named her something considered "not official"? [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 17:54, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
:::I actually get what Funk is saying. Kris, Leaf, and Silver only ever use a player-chosen name in all their appearances (even Hilbert and Hilda show up with those names in the Subway). Because of this, they have no "official" name as an NPC, the most we really have is the first option on the list if there even is one. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 17:58, 4/6/2014 (UTC)
::::I understand it too, but that doesn't change the fact that she was given a name by somebody in charge of the game in some form. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 18:30, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
:Because "Kris" is only used by the back of the American box art as an example, since that's the first name on the list. In fact, her official name is likely Marina since all female player characters that have appeared in the anime share their names (and the whole idea that canons cannot cross is pure fanon in itself).
:Also, "Leaf" is a stupid name because people refuse to accept the theme logic of the main Kanto games. If the guy is called Red and the rival Blue (Green, in Japan), then the most obvious choice for the girl is Green (Blue, in Japan).
:The only characters we have a hard time with knowing their official names are Ethan (in Generation II's context) and "Silver". Ethan's Generation II name is {{tt|most likely Jimmy in English|I know about 4Kids screwing up their names in the dub but The Legend of Thunder! is their main appearance anyway.}} and definitely Kenta in Japanese. About "Silver", well... I have no idea.
:— [[User:SatoMew2|Sato]][[User talk:SatoMew2|Mew]] 15:57, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Wouldn't Kris be her official English name, even if there is no official Japanese name, because it's on the back of the box? [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 21:54, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
::Think so too. [[User:Technickal|Technickal]] ([[User talk:Technickal|talk]]) 17:37, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
::No, since "Kris" does not appear in non-American English box art of Crystal. クリス is also used as the first suggested Japanese name for both "Gold" and Marina. In English Crystal, it's romanized as CHRIS for the hero and KRIS for the heroine. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 20:27, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
:::But your argument for calling her Marina is somewhat flawed, because by the same logic we'd be calling Red "Ash Ketchum" because Ash is based on Red. Also, I'd like to point out that the Australian boxart also calls her Kris, so it's not just American.[[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 21:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
::::It really isn't. All the anime counterparts of the female protagonists share the names with their game counterparts (May, Dawn, Iris, Serena). And technically speaking, Game Freak did call Red "Satoshi" but that doesn't matter anymore since Red is his name as an NPC.
::::What about the UK box art and the European localizations? [http://www.gamefaqs.com/gbc/375087-pokemon-crystal-version/images/box-20177 The Japanese box art] definitely doesn't name any of the protagonists, and we should follow the Japanese version while looking up the name for the game's heroine. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 21:57, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::Marina isn't a preprogrammed name, so that obviously isn't an option. Even if it were, Kris is by far the most used within the fandom. The reason female PCs that show up in the anime use their game names is because they appear in the games using those names when not picked as the player (think you forgot that Iris isn't a player character). [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 23:40, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
::::::Preset list names and dummy names are not valid either (otherwise, why doesn't everyone know that Red's and {{ga|Leaf|Green}}'s rival is {{ga|Blue|Terry}}?!). ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'', dub nonwithstanding, is inspired by Crystal (it even has the name in the Japanese title!). And I was referring to main characters, which Misty and Iris are in the anime. Of course, Lyra appeared in the anime as well, while Green, Hilda, and Rosa didn't.
::::::I'm also not suggesting a move but the fact is that "Kris" is not an official name, which is already mentioned in the article. Ethan is also a special case since he doesn't have an official name in the context of Gen II as his names are sound-related like Lyra's so that they match, not to mention that he has two anime counterparts ({{jo|Jimmy}} and {{DL|Ethan (game)|In the anime|Ethan}}). [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 01:01, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

== Issues with Pokémon Masters EX content ==

I understand that keeping most of the Masters-exclusive content in Kris's Masters page is the way to go, but outright forbidding her new official illustration and 4 distinct sprites from appearing here seems a bit extreme to me. The Artwork section looks empty as a result.

Besides, the way her Pokémon Masters EX subsection is being handled is inconsistent with other game characters. Right now, it only says that she forms a sync pair with Totodile, Croconaw and Feraligatr, whereas in pages for other trainers, other Pokémon besides their "main" one are also mentioned. I added Suicune to the section and the change was reverted. What's up with that?

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Kris (game)

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'''Kris''' (Japanese: '''{{j|クリス}}''' ''Kris'') is the female playable character in {{game|Crystal}}. Her male counterpart is {{ga|Ethan}}.

She was the first female [[player character]] in the [[core series]] {{pkmn|games}}, a feature that would be carried on in subsequent game releases.

As she only appears in {{game|Crystal}}, she has the fewest appearances by a player character in the core series. In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, she is replaced by {{ga|Lyra}}.

==In the core series==
Kris's journey as a [[Pokémon Trainer]] begins when [[Professor Elm]] asks her to run an errand for [[Mr. Pokémon]], who lives north of [[Cherrygrove City]]. Because she may encounter dangerous [[wild Pokémon]] along the way, Elm gives her a choice between three Pokémon to protect her: {{p|Cyndaquil}}, {{p|Totodile}}, or {{p|Chikorita}}.

Kris meets a boy watching Elm's Lab from outside. When she tries to talk to him, the boy abruptly shoves her away. The boy, {{ga|Silver}}, will become Kris's rival, analogous to {{ga|Blue}} in [[Generation I]].

Kris continues onward and finally meets Mr. Pokémon and completes her errand. While there she meets [[Professor Oak]] who, upon realizing Kris's bond with her new Pokémon, gives her a [[Pokédex]]. On her way back home, Kris again meets Silver, who has stolen one of Elm's remaining Pokémon. After defeating the boy in battle, she learns his name and relays it to the police in New Bark Town. Professor Elm allows Kris to keep the Pokémon she chose earlier, and encourages her to compete in the [[Johto League]].

From there Kris begins on a Pokémon journey in the [[Johto]] [[region]], facing off against its eight [[Gym Leader]]s, defeating and disbanding the newly reformed [[Team Rocket]], and becoming [[Pokémon Champion|Pokémon League Champion]] by defeating the [[Elite Four]] and its previous Champion, [[Lance]], at [[Indigo Plateau]]. Along the way she also teaches Silver to respect Pokémon as living creatures and not just as tools for battle. Kris also uncovered the mystery of the [[Bell Tower|Tin Tower]] and its [[Legendary Pokémon]], {{p|Entei}}, {{p|Suicune}}, and {{p|Raikou}}.

After being declared the Pokémon League Champion, Kris then takes a short trip on a ship, the [[S.S. Aqua]], from [[Olivine City]] to [[Vermilion City]] in [[Kanto]]. Journeying across that region, she battles against its own set of eight Gym Leaders, including two new faces, [[Janine]], who replaced her father [[Koga]] on his promotion to the Elite Four, and {{ga|Blue}}, who was formerly Pokémon League Champion himself, and replaced [[Giovanni]] after the latter fled. Upon getting permission from [[Professor Oak]] in [[Pallet Town]], Kris heads for [[Mt. Silver]] via {{rt|28|Kanto}}. Her journey comes to a close when she faces the Champion from Pallet Town Pokémon Trainer {{ga|Red}} deep in Mt. Silver Cave, who had been training there since shortly after he became Pokémon League Champion [[Generation I|three years prior]].

==In the side series==
===[[Pokémon Stadium 2]]===
Kris makes a cameo appearance during the end credits of [[Pokémon Stadium 2]], battling {{ga|Silver}} and his {{p|Ho-Oh}} with her {{p|Suicune}}.

====Pokémon====
{| style="width: 80px"
| {{ActivePoké|Kris|Suicune|245MSStad.png|size=50px|Water|link=no}}
|}

==In spin-off games==
===[[Pokémon Masters EX]]===
{{main|Kris (Masters)}}
Kris forms a [[sync pair]] with {{p|Totodile}} and its evolved forms {{p|Croconaw}} and {{p|Feraligatr}}, as well as {{p|Suicune}} in [[Pokémon Masters EX]].

==Artwork==
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|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}" | [[File:Cryskris.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}" | [[File:Game Freak Kris.jpg|200px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}" | [[File:Kris Portrait.png|150px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}" | [[File:Masters Sygna Suit Johto artwork.png|x200px]]
|-
| Walking
| Relaxing with {{color2|000|Togepi (Pokémon)|Togepi}}
| Posing for a portrait
| {{color2|000|Kris (Masters)#Suicune|Sygna Suit Kris}} in {{color2|000|Pokémon Masters EX|Pokémon Masters EX}}
|}

===Sprites===
====In the [[core series]]====
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|-
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px; height:80px" | [[File:Spr C Kris.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:Kris OD.png]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:C Kris Back.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:Unused HGSS PokéGear Icon for Kris.png]]
|-
| Sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| Overworld sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| Back sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver beta|Unused}} {{color2|000|PokéGear}} icon from {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
|}

====In other games====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{Crystal color dark}}; background: #{{Crystal color}}; font-size:80%"
|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:S2 Kris.png]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:Spr Masters Kris.png|120px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:Spr Masters Kris EX.png|120px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:Spr Masters Kris Sygna.png|120px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:Spr Masters Kris Sygna EX.png|120px]]
|-
| Portrait from the credits in {{color2|000|Pokémon Stadium 2|Stadium 2}}
| 5★ model from {{color2|000|Pokémon Masters EX|Pokémon Masters EX}}
| 6★ model (EX colors) from {{color2|000|Pokémon Masters EX|Pokémon Masters EX}}
| 5★ model from {{color2|000|Pokémon Masters EX|Pokémon Masters EX}}
| 6★ model (EX colors) from {{color2|000|Pokémon Masters EX|Pokémon Masters EX}}
|}

==Quotes==
{{main|Kris (game)/Quotes}}

==Optional names==
{| style="float:left; background: #{{crystal color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 3px solid #{{crystal color}}"
|- style="text-align:center"
! Japanese
! English
! French
! German
! Italian
! Spanish
|- style="background: #FFF"
|クリス ''Kris'' チホ ''Chiho'' キヨミ ''Kiyomi'' サトコ ''Satoko''
|Kris Amanda Juana Jodi
|Christy Sophie Nicole Jeanne
|Krista Sina Mandy Tabitha
|Kristy Gaia Cinzia Luisa
|Cristi María Susana Yolanda
|}{{-}}

==Counterparts==
[[File:Marina Johto.png|thumb|220px|{{jo|Marina}}, Kris's anime counterpart]]
===In the anime===
{{main|Marina (Johto)}}
{{jo|Marina}}, one of the main characters in ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'', is the {{pkmn|anime}} counterpart of Kris. In her debut, Marina is presented as a girl who dreams of becoming famous with the help of {{cat|Marina's Pokémon|her Pokémon}}. In her latest appearances, she was shown to be a talented [[Pokémon Coordinator]], having won the [[Grand Festival]] to become a [[Top Coordinator]]. She is friends with {{jo|Jimmy}} and [[Vincent]].

===In the manga===
====Pokémon Adventures====
{{Main|Crystal (Adventures)}}
Crystal from [[Pokémon Adventures]] is based on Kris's design. She is unique among all [[Pokédex holder]]s in the sense that her primary goal is to fill the [[Pokédex]].

====Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys====
{{Main|Chris (Golden Boys)}}
Chris from [[Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys|Golden Boys]] is based on Kris.

==Trivia==
[[File:Crystal prototype FC.png|thumb|Screenshots of an earlier design for a female protagonist]]
* Kris is the first playable female character in [[Pokémon games]], a feature included in all traditional Pokémon RPGs since. Despite this, the female choice in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} is {{ga|Lyra}}, who was designed from scratch by [[Takao Unno]].
** However, an unused PokéGear icon in HeartGold and SoulSilver, resembling Kris rather than Lyra, suggests that this was decided at a later point of development.
* Several [[Pokémon Crystal beta#Female character|pre-release]] screenshots for {{game|Crystal}} show an earlier design for a female protagonist.
* Kris's alternate Japanese names would later be shared with {{ga|Leaf}}, {{ga|Dawn}}, and {{ga|Lyra}}.
* Kris is the only playable character in the core series to be exclusive to a solitary version.
* When playing as Kris in {{game|Crystal}}, the appearance of the player is changed to that of {{ga|Ethan|Gold}} when entering the [[Pokémon Center#Cable Club 2|cable club]] and changed back to Kris's upon leaving.
** The reason is likely to maintain visual consistency between players of different versions when in the cable club, as Kris's sprite assets do not exist in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.

==Names==
* In the Japanese version of {{game|Crystal}}, the name "クリス" is the first option for both the {{ga|Ethan|male}} and female [[player character]]s. In the English version, this name was romanized as "Chris" for the boy and "Kris" for the girl.
* The Japanese version of the Trainer's Guide released with {{game|Crystal}} tells a short story where the player character named "クリス" (the same name for a boy or a girl, which may be romanized as Chris or Kris) starts their adventure. This is almost the same as the story previously released in the Trainer's Guide from {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, except the player is no longer referred to specifically as a boy. However, in the English version of this story, the player character remains unnamed.
* She was named "Clis" (which is another possible romanization of her Japanese name "クリス") in at least two image files from Game Freak's Japanese website: [https://web.archive.org/web/20011006025213/http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/pokemon/GALLERY/CLIS.JPG CLIS.JPG] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20011130150140/http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/POKEMON/GALLERY/WORKS/CLIS_2.JPG CLIS_2.JPG].
** Both images used to have their modification date listed as March 2, 2001.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20010303100537/http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/pokemon/GALLERY/</ref> This indicates that she already had her Japanese name at the time, decades before she used it in [[Pokémon Masters EX]]. (notwithstanding the Japanese manual, which used that name for both the male and female player characters)
* The first known use of the name "Kris" in English (aside from the list of optional names for the player character) was on the back of the American and Australian boxart of Pokémon Crystal. Unlike the Japanese manual, this specifically referred to the female player character.
* Years later, she also debuted in Pokémon Masters EX, where she was named {{mas|Kris}} (Japanese: クリス ''Kris'') for the first time in-game.

{| class="roundy" style="float:left; background: #{{crystal color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{crystal color}}"
|- style="text-align:center"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Japanese
| クリス ''Kris''
| From ''{{game|Crystal}}''
|- style="background: #FFF"
| English
| Kris
| Same as her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| German
| Krista
| Similar to her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Spanish
| Cristi
| Similar to her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| French
| Christy
| Similar to her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Italian
| Kristy
| Similar to her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Korean
| 크리스 ''Keuriseu''
| Transcription of her Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 克麗絲 / 克丽丝 ''Kèlìsī''
| Transcription of her Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 克麗絲 ''Hāaklaihsī''
| Mandarin-based transcription of her Japanese name
|}
{{-}}

==References==
<references/>

{{-}}
{{Player characters|crystal}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal characters]]
[[Category:Stadium 2 characters]]
[[Category:Champions]]
[[Category:Trainers with Legendary Pokémon]]

[[de:Krista]]
[[es:Cristi]]
[[fr:Christy]]
[[it:Kristy (gioco)]]
[[ja:クリス (ゲーム)]]
[[zh:克丽丝]]

Kris (game)

2022-08-22T14:26:31Z

Thoren: /* Artwork */

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'''Kris''' (Japanese: '''{{j|クリス}}''' ''Kris'') is the female playable character in {{game|Crystal}}. Her male counterpart is {{ga|Ethan}}.

She was the first female [[player character]] in the [[core series]] {{pkmn|games}}, a feature that would be carried on in subsequent game releases.

As she only appears in {{game|Crystal}}, she has the fewest appearances by a player character in the core series. In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, she is replaced by {{ga|Lyra}}.

==In the core series==
Kris's journey as a [[Pokémon Trainer]] begins when [[Professor Elm]] asks her to run an errand for [[Mr. Pokémon]], who lives north of [[Cherrygrove City]]. Because she may encounter dangerous [[wild Pokémon]] along the way, Elm gives her a choice between three Pokémon to protect her: {{p|Cyndaquil}}, {{p|Totodile}}, or {{p|Chikorita}}.

Kris meets a boy watching Elm's Lab from outside. When she tries to talk to him, the boy abruptly shoves her away. The boy, {{ga|Silver}}, will become Kris's rival, analogous to {{ga|Blue}} in [[Generation I]].

Kris continues onward and finally meets Mr. Pokémon and completes her errand. While there she meets [[Professor Oak]] who, upon realizing Kris's bond with her new Pokémon, gives her a [[Pokédex]]. On her way back home, Kris again meets Silver, who has stolen one of Elm's remaining Pokémon. After defeating the boy in battle, she learns his name and relays it to the police in New Bark Town. Professor Elm allows Kris to keep the Pokémon she chose earlier, and encourages her to compete in the [[Johto League]].

From there Kris begins on a Pokémon journey in the [[Johto]] [[region]], facing off against its eight [[Gym Leader]]s, defeating and disbanding the newly reformed [[Team Rocket]], and becoming [[Pokémon Champion|Pokémon League Champion]] by defeating the [[Elite Four]] and its previous Champion, [[Lance]], at [[Indigo Plateau]]. Along the way she also teaches Silver to respect Pokémon as living creatures and not just as tools for battle. Kris also uncovered the mystery of the [[Bell Tower|Tin Tower]] and its [[Legendary Pokémon]], {{p|Entei}}, {{p|Suicune}}, and {{p|Raikou}}.

After being declared the Pokémon League Champion, Kris then takes a short trip on a ship, the [[S.S. Aqua]], from [[Olivine City]] to [[Vermilion City]] in [[Kanto]]. Journeying across that region, she battles against its own set of eight Gym Leaders, including two new faces, [[Janine]], who replaced her father [[Koga]] on his promotion to the Elite Four, and {{ga|Blue}}, who was formerly Pokémon League Champion himself, and replaced [[Giovanni]] after the latter fled. Upon getting permission from [[Professor Oak]] in [[Pallet Town]], Kris heads for [[Mt. Silver]] via {{rt|28|Kanto}}. Her journey comes to a close when she faces the Champion from Pallet Town Pokémon Trainer {{ga|Red}} deep in Mt. Silver Cave, who had been training there since shortly after he became Pokémon League Champion [[Generation I|three years prior]].

==In the side series==
===[[Pokémon Stadium 2]]===
Kris makes a cameo appearance during the end credits of [[Pokémon Stadium 2]], battling {{ga|Silver}} and his {{p|Ho-Oh}} with her {{p|Suicune}}.

====Pokémon====
{| style="width: 80px"
| {{ActivePoké|Kris|Suicune|245MSStad.png|size=50px|Water|link=no}}
|}

==In spin-off games==
===[[Pokémon Masters EX]]===
{{main|Kris (Masters)}}
Kris forms a [[sync pair]] with {{p|Totodile}} and its evolved forms {{p|Croconaw}} and {{p|Feraligatr}}, as well as {{p|Suicune}} in [[Pokémon Masters EX]].

==Artwork==
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|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}" | [[File:Cryskris.png|100px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}" | [[File:Game Freak Kris.jpg|200px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}" | [[File:Kris Portrait.png|150px]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}" | [[File:Masters Sygna Suit Johto artwork.png|x200px]]
|-
| Walking
| Relaxing with {{color2|000|Togepi (Pokémon)|Togepi}}
| Posing for a portrait
| {{color2|000|Kris (Masters)#Suicune|Sygna Suit Kris}} in {{color2|000|Pokémon Masters EX|Pokémon Masters EX}}
|}

===Sprites===
====In the [[core series]]====
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|-
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px; height:80px" | [[File:Spr C Kris.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:Kris OD.png]]
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:C Kris Back.png]]
| style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:Unused HGSS PokéGear Icon for Kris.png]]
|-
| Sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| Overworld sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| Back sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Crystal Version|Crystal}}
| {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver beta|Unused}} {{color2|000|PokéGear}} icon from {{color2|000|Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
|}

====In other games====
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{Crystal color dark}}; background: #{{Crystal color}}; font-size:80%"
|-
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; background: #{{crystal color light}}; width:80px" | [[File:S2 Kris.png]]
|-
| Portrait from the credits in {{color2|000|Pokémon Stadium 2|Stadium 2}}
|}

==Quotes==
{{main|Kris (game)/Quotes}}

==Optional names==
{| style="float:left; background: #{{crystal color light}}; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 3px solid #{{crystal color}}"
|- style="text-align:center"
! Japanese
! English
! French
! German
! Italian
! Spanish
|- style="background: #FFF"
|クリス ''Kris'' チホ ''Chiho'' キヨミ ''Kiyomi'' サトコ ''Satoko''
|Kris Amanda Juana Jodi
|Christy Sophie Nicole Jeanne
|Krista Sina Mandy Tabitha
|Kristy Gaia Cinzia Luisa
|Cristi María Susana Yolanda
|}{{-}}

==Counterparts==
[[File:Marina Johto.png|thumb|220px|{{jo|Marina}}, Kris's anime counterpart]]
===In the anime===
{{main|Marina (Johto)}}
{{jo|Marina}}, one of the main characters in ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'', is the {{pkmn|anime}} counterpart of Kris. In her debut, Marina is presented as a girl who dreams of becoming famous with the help of {{cat|Marina's Pokémon|her Pokémon}}. In her latest appearances, she was shown to be a talented [[Pokémon Coordinator]], having won the [[Grand Festival]] to become a [[Top Coordinator]]. She is friends with {{jo|Jimmy}} and [[Vincent]].

===In the manga===
====Pokémon Adventures====
{{Main|Crystal (Adventures)}}
Crystal from [[Pokémon Adventures]] is based on Kris's design. She is unique among all [[Pokédex holder]]s in the sense that her primary goal is to fill the [[Pokédex]].

====Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys====
{{Main|Chris (Golden Boys)}}
Chris from [[Pokémon Gold & Silver: The Golden Boys|Golden Boys]] is based on Kris.

==Trivia==
[[File:Crystal prototype FC.png|thumb|Screenshots of an earlier design for a female protagonist]]
* Kris is the first playable female character in [[Pokémon games]], a feature included in all traditional Pokémon RPGs since. Despite this, the female choice in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} is {{ga|Lyra}}, who was designed from scratch by [[Takao Unno]].
** However, an unused PokéGear icon in HeartGold and SoulSilver, resembling Kris rather than Lyra, suggests that this was decided at a later point of development.
* Several [[Pokémon Crystal beta#Female character|pre-release]] screenshots for {{game|Crystal}} show an earlier design for a female protagonist.
* Kris's alternate Japanese names would later be shared with {{ga|Leaf}}, {{ga|Dawn}}, and {{ga|Lyra}}.
* Kris is the only playable character in the core series to be exclusive to a solitary version.
* When playing as Kris in {{game|Crystal}}, the appearance of the player is changed to that of {{ga|Ethan|Gold}} when entering the [[Pokémon Center#Cable Club 2|cable club]] and changed back to Kris's upon leaving.
** The reason is likely to maintain visual consistency between players of different versions when in the cable club, as Kris's sprite assets do not exist in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.

==Names==
* In the Japanese version of {{game|Crystal}}, the name "クリス" is the first option for both the {{ga|Ethan|male}} and female [[player character]]s. In the English version, this name was romanized as "Chris" for the boy and "Kris" for the girl.
* The Japanese version of the Trainer's Guide released with {{game|Crystal}} tells a short story where the player character named "クリス" (the same name for a boy or a girl, which may be romanized as Chris or Kris) starts their adventure. This is almost the same as the story previously released in the Trainer's Guide from {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, except the player is no longer referred to specifically as a boy. However, in the English version of this story, the player character remains unnamed.
* She was named "Clis" (which is another possible romanization of her Japanese name "クリス") in at least two image files from Game Freak's Japanese website: [https://web.archive.org/web/20011006025213/http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/pokemon/GALLERY/CLIS.JPG CLIS.JPG] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20011130150140/http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/POKEMON/GALLERY/WORKS/CLIS_2.JPG CLIS_2.JPG].
** Both images used to have their modification date listed as March 2, 2001.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20010303100537/http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/pokemon/GALLERY/</ref> This indicates that she already had her Japanese name at the time, decades before she used it in [[Pokémon Masters EX]]. (notwithstanding the Japanese manual, which used that name for both the male and female player characters)
* The first known use of the name "Kris" in English (aside from the list of optional names for the player character) was on the back of the American and Australian boxart of Pokémon Crystal. Unlike the Japanese manual, this specifically referred to the female player character.
* Years later, she also debuted in Pokémon Masters EX, where she was named {{mas|Kris}} (Japanese: クリス ''Kris'') for the first time in-game.

{| class="roundy" style="float:left; background: #{{crystal color light}}; border: 3px solid #{{crystal color}}"
|- style="text-align:center"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Japanese
| クリス ''Kris''
| From ''{{game|Crystal}}''
|- style="background: #FFF"
| English
| Kris
| Same as her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| German
| Krista
| Similar to her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Spanish
| Cristi
| Similar to her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| French
| Christy
| Similar to her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Italian
| Kristy
| Similar to her Japanese name
|- style="background: #FFF"
| Korean
| 크리스 ''Keuriseu''
| Transcription of her Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and Mainland China}})
| 克麗絲 / 克丽丝 ''Kèlìsī''
| Transcription of her Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 克麗絲 ''Hāaklaihsī''
| Mandarin-based transcription of her Japanese name
|}
{{-}}

==References==
<references/>

{{-}}
{{Player characters|crystal}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal characters]]
[[Category:Stadium 2 characters]]
[[Category:Champions]]
[[Category:Trainers with Legendary Pokémon]]

[[de:Krista]]
[[es:Cristi]]
[[fr:Christy]]
[[it:Kristy (gioco)]]
[[ja:クリス (ゲーム)]]
[[zh:克丽丝]]

Kris (game)

2022-08-22T14:19:56Z

Thoren: /* Pokémon Masters EX */