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Template talk:Gym Leaders of Unova

2020-08-25T15:19:23Z

Tester: /* Correct order for both BW and B2W2 */ new section

== B2W2 Gym Leaders ==
I think we should wait for badge sprites, overworlds sprites, and city names to be realesed before they're put here. It's currently quite ugly, can those three please be removed? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 00:13, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
:Not at all. Then there'd be no way to navigate easily to the new gym leader's pages from other Unova gym leaders' articles. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:19, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

== Virbank Gym name ==

Can this be added to the template now, seeing as it has been added to [[Homika|Homika's article]] where appropriate? -- [[User:GoldenCelebi|Golden]][[User talk:GoldenCelebi|Celebi]] 08:38, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
:No. 1. I'm still suspicious that her anime location, and game locations are different. 2. Why have they only mentioned her location in the anime? Surely if it were in the game, they'd have no problem saying so. I'm still not convinced. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:42, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
::Meh. We all known that Virbank = Tachiwaki = Homika's game location. But there's an unwritten rule here aptly called "Bulbadenial". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] ([[User talk:Maxim|talk]]) 08:51, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Really now? Please provide us with official evidence that states that Homika's gym is in fact Tachiwaki City ''in the games''. The only rule is that your evidence cannot be, "It is in the anime, therefore it is in the games." Do that, and I might reconsider. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 09:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Seaside town, PokeWood, the fact that anime never messed with Gyms, common sense. But I am not saying that we should submit that already. I'm used to Bulbadenial, even though I think it's a bit stupid. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] ([[User talk:Maxim|talk]]) 09:18, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::If I'm not mistaken, we know that Homika is the second Gym leader. Given that the starting town in B2W2 is on the ''West'' of Unova, her Gym would be expected to be in the vicinity of Driftveil. Best Wishes 2 is said to take place in ''Eastern'' Unova, so I'd suggest that for now it is better that we don't assume. They've never changed it before, but they've also never had to deal with such a big change in the Gym Leaders before. Biggest change previously was Wallace replaced by Juan, keeping the same gym. This is basically a restructure of the whole region. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:31, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::Anyway, we should add <code>Virbank Gym{{tt|*|Confirmed in the anime only}}</code> and/or something like it here and on Homika's page, because it ''is'' confirmed that she is Virbank City Gym Leader in the anime.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 09:43, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Japanese B2W2 are only coming out in a week and a half IIRC, so it's not like this is the only scrap of information we're going to get for months. If it turns out that Homika's gym is in Tachiwaki City, then we can add Virbank here, as it's unlikely it will be translated differently in the anime and games. -- [[User:GoldenCelebi|Golden]][[User talk:GoldenCelebi|Celebi]] 09:51, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::I'm okay with your plan, Dennou. And yes, exactly GC. The games are near their release so we'll find out fairly quickly anyway. Why shoot ourselves in the foot now when we're so close. If it is Tachiwaki in the games, fine and dandy. I'd just rather play it safe than be sorry later on. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 09:56, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

== Correct order for both BW and B2W2 ==

If the template was written like this it would follow the Gym Leaders by their order regardless of starter, version or time of release. (1st Cilan, Chili, Cress and Cheren, 2nd Lenora and Roxie, (...) 7th Brycen and Drayden, 8th Drayden, Iris and Marlon.)

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! colspan="5" style="color:#{{Unova color dark}}" | [[Gym Leader|Gym Leaders]] of the [[Unova|Unova region]]
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| width="80%" class="roundytl" colspan="3" style="background: #{{??? color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Striaton Gym|Striaton Gym]]
| width="20%" class="roundyright" rowspan="3" style="background: #{{??? color light}}" | [[File:Trio Badge.png|30px|link=Badge#Trio Badge|Trio Badge]]
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| width="26%" style="background: #{{grass color light}}" | [[File:Cilan OD.png|link=Cilan]]
| width="26%" style="background: #{{fire color light}}" | [[File:Chili OD.png|link=Chili]]
| width="26%" style="background: #{{water color light}}" | [[File:Cress OD.png|link=Cress]]
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| width="26%" class="roundybl" style="background: #{{grass color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Cilan|Cilan]]
| width="26%" style="background: #{{fire color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Chili|Chili]]
| width="26%" style="background: #{{water color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Cress|Cress]]
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| width="40%" class="roundytl" style="background: #{{normal color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Aspertia Gym|Aspertia Gym]]
| width="40%" style="background: #{{normal color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Nacrene Gym|Nacrene Gym]]
| width="20%" class="roundyright" rowspan="3" style="background: #{{normal color light}}" | [[File:Basic Badge.png|30px|link=Badge#Basic Badge|Basic Badge]]
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| width="40%" style="background: #{{normal color light}}" | [[File:Cheren OD.png|link=Cheren]]
| width="40%" style="background: #{{normal color light}}" | [[File:Lenora OD.png|link=Lenora]]
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| width="40%" class="roundybl" style="background: #{{normal color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Cheren|Cheren]]
| width="40%" style="background: #{{normal color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Lenora|Lenora]]
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{| width="144px" height="59px" class="roundy" style="background: #{{poison color}}" |
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| width="80%" class="roundytl" style="background: #{{poison color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Virbank Gym|Virbank Gym]]
| width="20%" class="roundyright" rowspan="3" style="background: #{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Toxic Badge.png|30px|link=Badge#Toxic Badge|Toxic Badge]]
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| width="80%" style="background: #{{poison color light}}" | [[File:Roxie OD.png|link=Roxie]]
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| width="80%" class="roundybl" style="background: #{{poison color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Roxie|Roxie]]
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{| width="144px" height="59px" class="roundy" style="background: #{{bug color}}" |
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| width="80%" class="roundytl" style="background: #{{bug color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Castelia Gym|Castelia Gym]]
| width="20%" class="roundyright" rowspan="3" style="background: #{{bug color light}}" | [[File:Insect Badge.png|30px|link=Badge#Insect Badge|Insect Badge]]
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| width="80%" style="background: #{{bug color light}}" | [[File:Burgh OD.png|link=Burgh]]
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| width="80%" class="roundybl" style="background: #{{bug color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Burgh|Burgh]]
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{| width="144px" height="59px" class="roundy" style="background: #{{electric color}}" |
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| width="80%" class="roundytl" style="background: #{{electric color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Nimbasa Gym|Nimbasa Gym]]
| width="20%" class="roundyright" rowspan="3" style="background: #{{electric color light}}" | [[File:Bolt Badge.png|30px|link=Badge#Bolt Badge|Bolt Badge]]
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| width="80%" style="background: #{{electric color light}}" | [[File:Elesa OD.png|link=Elesa]]
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| width="80%" class="roundybl" style="background: #{{electric color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Elesa|Elesa]]
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{| width="144px" height="59px" class="roundy" style="background: #{{ground color}}" |
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| width="80%" class="roundytl" style="background: #{{ground color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Driftveil Gym|Driftveil Gym]]
| width="20%" class="roundyright" rowspan="3" style="background: #{{ground color light}}" | [[File:Quake Badge.png|30px|link=Badge#Quake Badge|Quake Badge]]
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| width="80%" style="background: #{{ground color light}}" | [[File:Clay OD.png|link=Clay]]
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| width="80%" class="roundybl" style="background: #{{ground color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Clay|Clay]]
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{| width="144px" height="59px" class="roundy" style="background: #{{flying color}}" |
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| width="80%" class="roundytl" style="background: #{{flying color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Mistralton Gym|Mistralton Gym]]
| width="20%" class="roundyright" rowspan="3" style="background: #{{flying color light}}" | [[File:Jet Badge.png|30px|link=Badge#Jet Badge|Jet Badge]]
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| width="80%" style="background: #{{flying color light}}" | [[File:Skyla OD.png|link=Skyla]]
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| width="80%" class="roundybl" style="background: #{{flying color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Skyla|Skyla]]
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{| width="144px" height="59px" class="roundy" style="background: #{{ice color}}" |
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| width="80%" class="roundytl" style="background: #{{ice color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Icirrus Gym|Icirrus Gym]]
| width="20%" class="roundyright" rowspan="3" style="background: #{{ice color light}}" | [[File:Freeze Badge.png|30px|link=Badge#Freeze Badge|Freeze Badge]]
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| width="80%" style="background: #{{ice color light}}" | [[File:Brycen OD.png|link=Brycen]]
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| width="80%" class="roundybl" style="background: #{{ice color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Brycen|Brycen]]
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{| width="144px" height="59px" class="roundy" style="background: #{{dragon color}}" |
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| width="80%" class="roundytl" colspan="2" style="background: #{{dragon color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Opelucid Gym|Opelucid Gym]]
| width="20%" class="roundyright" rowspan="3" style="background: #{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Legend Badge.png|30px|link=Badge#Legend Badge|Legend Badge]]
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| width="40%" style="background: #{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Drayden OD.png|link=Drayden]]
| width="40%" style="background: #{{dragon color light}}" | [[File:Iris BW OD.png|link=Iris]]
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| width="40%" class="roundybl" style="background: #{{dragon color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Drayden|Drayden]]
| width="40%" style="background: #{{dragon color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Iris|Iris]]
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{| width="144px" height="59px" class="roundy" style="background: #{{water color}}" |
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| width="80%" class="roundytl" style="background: #{{water color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Humilau Gym|Humilau Gym]]
| width="20%" class="roundyright" rowspan="3" style="background: #{{water color light}}" | [[File:Wave Badge.png|30px|link=Badge#Wave Badge|Wave Badge]]
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| width="80%" style="background: #{{water color light}}" | [[File:Marlon OD.png|link=Marlon]]
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| width="80%" class="roundybl" style="background: #{{water color light}}; font-size:95%" | [[Marlon|Marlon]]
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[[User:Tester|Tester]] ([[User talk:Tester|talk]]) 15:19, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk:First partner Pokémon/Archive 1

2017-06-18T06:24:20Z

Tester: /* Suggestion */

==Normal Starters==
Should Pikachu be considered a 'normal' starter? I mean, it isn't part of the Fire/Water/Grass triangle, and it can also be captured in the wild in many of the other games, something that no other starters have right now. It's also the starter only in one game (although, so have Colosseum Starters, XD Starter, and Ranger Starter). --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 12:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
:Well, why not? The fact it is not part of the triangle does not disqualify him as a starter Pokémon. If we had a Dark/Fighting/Psych triangle, wouldn't still they be starters? Also, the Fire/Grass/Water triangle is already broken is some cases, like the 4th generation starters having second types after they evolve. In any case, he is undoubtedly a starter in the ranks of Squirtle and Charmander. He is given out by a professor (and our very original professor Oak in his case), is given in one of the "main" games of the series, and is a basic Pokémon. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 15:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
::Well, don't forget that also, pretty much every starter gets a second type through evolution. Only ones who don't are Squirtle, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, and Treecko. Hell, Bulbasaur has two types in its basic form.
::And I think the division's more on the games that are defined as the main RPG series vs the side games. After all, Pichu makes Pikachu a stage 1 now, in all technicalities. But, of course, Yellow is just as much a main game as Red, Blue, and Green are, unlike Colosseum and XD compared to Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald, even though all of them are RPGs. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 01:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Exactly. And that's why we have the "special starters" section. They are starters, but not as much so as the "main game" ones. --[[User:Andrelvis|Andrelvis]] 17:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
::::But they're not special per se. They're just... not mainstream. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 17:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::A little off-topic, but I heard a rumor that Game Freak was considering a Fighting/Psychic/Dark trio for the Gen IV starters, but they decided to switch back to the usual Grass/Fire/Water trio. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== To add to Trivia ==

I noticed this. Of the Grass starters up to and including Generation IV, all of the final forms have eight-letter English names. Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, and Torterra.
:Hmmm. Well, it's interesting, but the trivia section's already huge! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 09:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== To Remove from Trivia ==
"Usually upon evolution, the starter Pokémon gain another type. However, Blastoise, the three Johto starters' final forms (Meganium, Typhlosion, and Feraligatr), and Sceptile do not have a second type." This quote is not very accurate. The trivia itself lists 5 out of the 12 final evolutions of the main series' starters that don't gain a new type (technically it should be 6 of 13 because of [[Pikachu]]; which while it can't evolve in Yellow still does in every other version). 5 out of 12 is about 42%; which means that "usually" is used to define an occurance rate barely over 50% and is like saying Pokemon split equally into both [[gender|genders]] are "usually" one over the other. Additionally, only 6 of the 13 (about 46%) main series staters actually gain a new type out of evolution, as [[Bulbasaur]] starts with the {{type|Poison}}. I'm not sure if complete removal of this trivia is called for, but it definitely needs to be reworded. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 05:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's an overinspective technicality... but sure, it should be reworded if that's statistically the case. Just make sure not to link species with square brackets, man. The {{template|p}} template is there for use, especially with the starters and their families... all of which have appeared owned by a main anime character... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 08:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

==Pikachu==

Just saying buy uh.. You guys put every Pokemon's evolutions in the normal games. But not Pikachu's in Pokemon Yellow?
:Pikachu can't evolve in Yellow. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

== Colosseum elemental starters ==

Even though you can get the remaining two at the end of the game, let's not forget that Bayleef, Quilava, and Croconaw are somewhat "starter" Pokémon in Pokémon Colosseum, since you need to snag one of them at the beginning of the adventure. Maybe they're like Eevee's evolutionary stones or shards in that their availability isn't immediate... However, one of the things that make them non-traditional starters is that the game doesn't explicitly ask you "you want this Pokémon, or this one, or this one?". --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 03:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

You just have to beat Rosso, Verde, or Bluno. You don't have to snag their Shadow Pokémon. [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] ''I am not removing this lengthy addition to my signature until all moves have been updated to Platinum standard.'' 00:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== Obediance ==

I seem to recall that in the main series, a Starter Pokémon will always obey even if its level surpasses the mark of a required Gym Badge. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, should it be added to the article somewhere? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

All Pokémon caught by the trainer will, they wont obey if they have been received in a trade.[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 19:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:The page on [[Badge]]s does not make that distinction. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::well that's how it works --lord mada 19:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:::So what you're saying is that if a player was able to start a new game and somehow "catch" a Level 70 Pokémon right off the bat, it will obey? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::::yeah I'm pretty sure --lord mada 19:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::Interesting... Well then, disregard. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yes but dont forget that's very unlikely in the main series. [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
:::::::Start a new game, trade away a random caught Pokémon, get it back after a while at level 70 and it likely will obey. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Unlikely, but possible. Especially with an Action Replay. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia overload? ==

Don't get me wrong, I always love a lot of additions to the trivia section, but even now it seems like it's way too much. We might want to cut back on some more esoteric things, and group the move pattern observations together. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 17:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe it would be possible to encorporate some of the more anime-exclusive trivia into the anime section and likewise for game-exclusive, and only put overall trivia at the bottom. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
::Something I noticed on the Trivia section is that one of the links is broken; specifically, the cross-Wiki link about Charmander being based of the mythical Salamander. --[[User:Mikekearn|Mike]] | [[Special:Contributions/Mikekearn|Contrib]] 03:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
:::This was a stupid error on my part; I fixed it just now. I had fixed the link before, but I put wp:Salamander (legendary creature) rather than wp|Salamander (legendary creature). This caused a broken link. It was very unprofessional of me, and I greatly apologize for the error. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

==No editing?==
Why cant I edit this? I found an error... --'''[[User:Mooites|Mooites]]''' [[User talk:Mooites|Talk to me, baby!]] 18:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:So did I. I don't know if it's the same as yours, but its at the end of the page. It's missing a period. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 18:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::In the middle of something, didn't want an edit conflict. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

==Gen IV type-trumping==
I just noticed something about the Sinnoh starters' final forms. Each of them gains a a type advantage over the starter it is weak to in some way:
*Torterra gains the Ground-type, which is super-effective against Infernape.
*Infernape gains the Fighting-type, which is super-effective against Empoleon's Steel-type.
*Empoleon gains the Steel-type, which gives it a resistance to Torterra's Grass-type (although it does give a weakness to Torterra's Ground-type (maybe for balance issues); however, being a Water-type, Empoleon can learn Ice-type attacks to deal super-effective damage against both of Torterra's types).
[[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
:However, the steel type also renders Empoleon without a resistance to either of Infernape's types, thus actually making it WEAK to Infernape (at least to it's fighting type, and the steel offbalances the water resistance to fire). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 11:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::Including Empoleon's ability to learn Ice moves, all the starters have moves which are super effective against the other two starters. As in, the examples listed above and the normal type advantage circle (except Empoleon is weak to Ground not Grass)So, in a way, it means that none of them are superior to the others. [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]

==Gary's Starter==
Is the statement "it caused many to hearken back to Pokémon Yellow, where the player starts with Pikachu, like Ash, and the rival starts with Eevee" the wrong way round because Pokemon Yellow was based on the anime and because Gary's true starter had not been revealed at the time, the makers made Eevee his starter, as the game required him to have a confirmed one? Therefore rather than people thinking this because that was his starter in Yellow, is it not much more likely that this was his starter in Yellow because people thought it was starter already? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Gastlys mama}} ([[User talk:Gastlys mama|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gastlys mama|contribs]]) ''

== Platinum ==

It's different in Platinum. There are no Starly. He just give them out for some reason to the two and they battle each other. Someone who knows the reason should place it. *[[User:Tc26|Tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 07:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe it's to test out their newly received pokémon? that seems the most logical to me... [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 15:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::I think the question is why did Rowan give them to the character and Pearl. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, that can wait until March... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Its almost time for Platinum to come out in America, better get ready to fill that in!--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 07:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia Addition ==

I felt it would be interesting to note that all of the starter's first evolutions have the same base stat total of 405, whereas the base and final forms vary greatly.
:Every middle evolution, you mean? Definitely something to say. But the final forms' variance needn't be mentioned; it's not like they're Butterfree vs Arceus in terms of BST difference. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== Second Trivia Addition ==

Wouldn't it be a good idea to post the fact that in the anime, the protagonist's starter Pokémon actually has a type advantage over the rival's starter Pokémon other than the other way around? (Ash obviously had Pikachu whereas Gary had Squirtle) Seems relevant --[[User:Blackstone Dresden|Blackstone Dresden]] 03:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
:No. Basically what they did was say Gary had a MYSTERY OMGEEZ and then an EEVEE OMGEEZ YELOW and then BLASTOISE HAHA. And by that third point, in Johto, Ash's Charizard counted almost as much as Pikachu anyway, especially considering the battle the two had using those. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== Kanto starters in HGSS? ==

I just got all 16 badges, Oak gives me a HM08, but no starter. Do i have to do something beforehand? -->'''[[User:223david|223]][[User_talk:223david|david]]''' 01:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:This sounds kind of forum-y to me, but you might have to do the Copycat event first - I read somewhere that you have to do that in order to get a Hoenn starter from Steven, at least. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
::All events done ''except for red''. do i have to beat him firsT? -->'''[[User:223david|223]][[User_talk:223david|david]]''' 01:26, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

== The mystical, amazing disappearing starter Pokemon! ==

I could have sworn I saw this discussed somewhere before, but for the life of me I can't find it now. Oh well.

Anyway, at some point in HGSS (not sure exactly when) the third starter Pokemon which wasn't chosen by the PC or the rival mysteriously vanishes from its place in Elm's lab. (The game text when the... whatever that machine is... is examined is something along the lines of, "Hey! The third Pokeball is gone! Was it given to someone?" though I can't be bothered to switch games in my DS to check for sure.) I figure that this is notable enough to go into the article, and I'd put it in there myself, but I quite honestly don't know if its disappearance is ever explained, and I figure that if it ''were'' explained that should go in the article too.

Thoughts?/Anyone know what in the world happened to it? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 00:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:If you're looking for a general discussion on this, head to the forums. Pedia-wise, the only thing we can really do is say that it vanishes and we don't know where to. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, wasn't looking for a general discussion. I brought it up for the purpose of adding it into the article... And I haven't beaten the game yet, so I don't know if its disappearance is left unexplained, and that's why I didn't want to say that in the article (maybe it is explained, and I just haven't gotten that far yet!). I thought maybe someone else would have the answer so that it could be added to the article, definitively stating whether its disappearance was explained or not. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 00:40, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== Can someone please put these up? ==

They're missing from the page. Pokabu's picture is the only one on there. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Was this ever confirmed? ==

On the article it said "In Pokémon Black and White, the regional professor, yet unnamed, will offer the player a choice of the Grass-type Tsutarja, the Fire-type Pokabu, or the Water-type Mijumaru. " It's very likely this is true, but this was never confirmed so should we edit it?--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 18:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's been proven. There's even an official site of the game that confirms this. - [[User:050294|050294]] 23:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::I think what he means is, does the professor actually give it to the player, or is there a situation similar to DPPt, where they decide to take them and are allowed to keep them later, et cetera.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:24, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, that's what I mean.--[[User:Eastern|Eastern]] 15:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

== Ranger "starters"? ==

I just now noticed that the Ranger partner Pokemon weren't included in the page (but I remember them being on there before). But can they be considered starter Pokemon? They probably weren't the first Pokemon the player captured (except in the first ranger game), but they are the first Pokemon they get to keep for themselves. So can they still be considered starters?

== Cheren & Bel Starters ==

Example: I choose Pokabu, Cheren will Choose Mijumaru and Belle will chose Tsutarja. But this is

not confirmmed---[[User:Franztrovao]] July 24, 2010 - 18:10 (UTC)

:It '''''IS''''' confirmed ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC))

== Trivia ==

Since I want no part in the edit war, I'm going to explain the trivia piece here:

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As of [[Generation IV]], every '''starter-type''' in the main series (with the exception of {{p|Pikachu}}) has have one Pokémon in its final-stage of evolution to have a double weakness; {{p|Charizard}} is doubly weak to {{type|Rock}}, {{p|Swampert}} is doubly weak to {{type|Grass}} and {{p|Torterra}} is doubly weak to {{type|Ice}}.</code>

It doesn't say by generation. It says by starter ''type''. That means Fire, Water, and Grass.
Charizard, Torterra, and Swampert are members of these respective types and have double weaknesses. The trivia, meaning-wise, is fine. (Unless one were to count Bulbasaur's Poison typing...)

So yeah, if you're going to remove it, remove it for a different reason plz and thanks.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Should Mystery Dungeon initial Pokémon be considered starters? ==

I've looked through Mystery Dungeon: Blue's manual, Bulbapedia's pages on all three sets of games, and the official Explorers of Sky webpage and have seen no mention of the initial Pokémon from MD as "starters", just "Hero Pokémon" (for the player) and "Partner Pokémon" (for the partner). They seem to lack the basic criteria for being starters (the initial Pokémon owned by a ''trainer''), even more so than the Ranger's [[Partner Pokémon]] which were already deemed not to be starters. Now I'll admit I never even played through Blue fully (and never played the others), so there may be something in-game, but I think we should separate them into their own ''Hero and Partner Pokémon'' page or something, as they don't seem to belong here. '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 02:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
:Completely agree. I've fixed this page, but the navigation template needs to be modified still. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon Yellow Evolution ==

The article says that the rival's {{p|Eevee}} evolves into {{p|Jolteon}}, {{p|Flareon}} or {{p|Vaporeon}} depending on the outcomes of battles between the player and the rival. Specifically, which battles are important, and how do the results affect the evolution? It seems like this would be a useful thing to add to the article. I believe that if the player loses the first battle in Pallet Town, the {{p|Eevee}} will evolve into a {{p|Vaporeon}}, but this should probably be double-checked. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 20:52, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Ive heard that if you win both battles, lose both battles, or lose one and win one, the outcome will be different. But im not that far in the game so I don't know the specific outcomes. --[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 21:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
:It's explained in more detail [[Blue (game)/Yellow|here]]. Basically the results of the first two possible battles are summed. Two wins = Jolteon. One win and one loss/skip = Flareon. Two losses/One loss one skip = Vaporeon. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

== Lyra/Khoury ==

Is it confirmed that Lyra and Khoury received their starters from Professor Elm or is it speculation? [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 16:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon and Ranger starters ==

I think we need to move the starters of Mystery Dungeon to Player character, because thats basically what they are, people you can play as. Also, the Ranger Pokemon should be removed because we already have the Partner Pokemon page, which contains the same information. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 20:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
:I agree with both. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 21:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
::I think that they should still be linked with {{template|main}}. Also, Rumble is in the same situation as PMD. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

== New Trivia (yeah, I know it's a little big already) ==

(First time, forgive me if I screw this up horribly)

Since Pikachu knows Thundershock, Yellow is the only main series game in which the player's starter pokemon begins play with a STAB move. Incidentally, the Rival's starter also has a STAB move, as Eevee knows tackle and is of the normal-type.

There's probably a better way of wording this. but I thought it was neat.
22:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)HH

== Definition of starter Pokémon ==

I've always thought of starter Pokémon as meaning the sets of three Pokémon that are given by the professor, not merely a Trainer's first Pokémon. I don't mind including Pikachu and Eevee, ''that'' much (although I'm still uncertain about them), adding Marill and Ralts, and calling things like [[Growlie]] "starter Pokémon" just seems wrong to me. If people really want to list Trainer's first Pokémon, then I think that page should be at {{redlink|first Pokémon}}; however, IMO starter Pokémon should refer only to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Bulbasaur, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Treecko, Torchic, Mudkip, Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup, Snivy, Tepig, Oshawott, and maybe Pikachu and Eevee if you really want. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
:Personally, I feel it's the Pokémon someone ''starts'' with. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
::I agree with Jo, even though the ones listed by SnorlaxMonster are treated completely different from the other "first Pokémon" from other media. Since this page is huge, maybe splitting into "Starter Pokémon (main series)", "Starter Pokémon (spin-off)", "Starter Pokémon (anime)" and "Starter Pokémon (Adventures)" could be taken into account but is not the best option. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 10:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::Splitting like that completely ignores the point. The idea is that the Pokémon I listed are a group of Pokémon, while this page just lists the first Pokémon of a bunch of Trainers. If we want to redefine starter Pokémon as "the first Pokémon a Trainer owns" rather than the traditional "the three Pokémon that Trainers can choose from to start their journey" and give the traditional grouping their own name, then while I wouldn't prefer it, it would be better than what we have now. What I'm saying is that we have a distinct group of Pokémon that the fandom have always called "starter Pokémon", and this page seems to have merged that group with everyone's first Pokémon. So regardless of what you want to call "starter Pokémon", the traditional starter Pokémon need a separate page from people's first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I would define the starter pokemon as the sets of three plus Pikachu and Eevee. We categorize pokemon beyond their obvious classification by their secondary characteristics. Legendary Pokemon, other than those explicitly called out as such, are typically unique pokemon within the games that may or may not have a defining role in the story- even beginning trainers have a pretty good idea what you're talking about when you say "legendary". Pseudo-Legendaries bear some explanation, but fall within obviously recognizable parameters- 600 base stats, typically a double weakness to something, general badassedness, etc. The "starters" of the main series of games are typically in line in terms of stats and evolutions without significant variation- It would not surprise me if next generation we had to call out Charizard and Typhlosion as the exceptions to the "Fire/Fighting Rule". Spinoff series games should at best get their own page and at worst be merely mentioned on their own page. "Games" that are effectively pokedexes shouldn't be listed at all outside the article affirming their existence, as there is no meaningful way to interact with them. Eevee and Pikachu get to be the exceptions because they ''are'' the exceptions- the only main series game not to play by their own rules. You might not even list Eevee, as it's not technically an option for the trainer- It's not a "starter" pokemon, it's a "rival" pokemon.[[User:TheHateHat|TheHateHat]] ([[User talk:TheHateHat|talk]]) 04:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::I going to say that there needs to be a distinction between "starter" and "first". For example, in the TCG a "starter set" is a set intended for people just starting to learn the TCG. However, it does not have to be their first TCG set, and their first TCG set is not necessarily a "starter set". A "starter Pokémon" is a Pokémon given to Trainers when they begin their journey to get them started. Therefore, instances like Wally's Ralts are not starter Pokémon; it is his first Pokémon, and if people want that to have a page that's fine, but they shouldn't be here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:33, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::I second that. The eighteen starter Pokémon from main series games must have an article of their own, they are a group of distinct Pokémon, always treated specially in every medium of the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 04:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

== Eevee in Yellow ==

It seems strange to me that Eevee should be included as a starter Pokemon in Yellow on the bit at the bottom of pages about specific starter Pokemon. (Sorry don't know the correct technical term.) The player cannot start with Eevee. If the starter Pokemon of NPCs qualify for this definition of starter Pokemon then surely every known starter Pokemon for NPCs should be added to both of these sections in order to be logically consistent? If it is just because Blue is the rival of this game that his starter is notable why aren't the starters of Wally and Ethan/Lyra as NPCs? I understand their inclusion in the article but I don't understand how Blue's Eevee is any more notable than the starters of those two trainers, particularly not to the degree that it gets a mention at the bottom of the page when the others don't. [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly's Mama|talk]]) 17:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
:Eevee was supposed to be player's starter, but Blue snatched it. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
::But it is still not an option for the player to get it, which is more the point I feel. It is still not an option to start with. No matter what the storyline claims, the player was never "supposed" to get Eevee. Also, I'm not even sure the storyline DOES claim that.[[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly's Mama|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Any Pokémon given by the Professor is a starter Pokémon, imo.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

== Fire Starter Trivia ==

Should it be added that there's a trend that all of the fire starters are all members of the Chinese Zodiac? There's been dragon (the Charmander line), rat (Cyndaquil being the fire '''mouse''' pokemon), rooster (the Torchic line), monkey (the Chimchar line), pig (the Tepig line), and just recently, dog (Fennekin being a fox). --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 20:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
:I say this is more opinion than fact. Yes, Cyndaquil is the Fire Mouse Pokémon but it isn't based on a mouse (or a rat). Fennekin, while based of a species of canines, isn't a dog. Though I agree with the others. So you could say I'm neutral/indifferent on this trivia.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
:Yes, I know that Cyndaquil isn't based on an actual mouse, but the species name still counts and fox should be close enough to dog to count. --[[User:GodzillaMaster|GodzillaMaster]] ([[User talk:GodzillaMaster|talk]]) 03:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

== Shininess ==

Is it possible that received starter in main series will be shiny?
[[User:SFtheGreat|SFtheGreat]] ([[User talk:SFtheGreat|talk]]) 19:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
: Yes, it's the same probability as if you were to catch them in the wild (approximately 1/8192). [[User:ChiefbozX|ChiefbozX]] ([[User talk:ChiefbozX|talk]]) 20:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

== Kanto Starters for X and Y ==

"Soon afterwards, Professor Sycamore will give the player a choice between one of the classic Kanto starter Pokémon, whom, upon reaching their final stages, will have access to Mega Evolved forms, given the prequisite Mega Stone."

This is more speculation than factual. We do not meet Professor Sycamore until Lumoise City. This was stated in the preview clips when he was released as well as stated on the main web site. Lumoise City is after the first Gym so the player has a good bit of play time before they ever meet Professor Sycamore in Lumoise. We also have not been given any information as to whether or not the Kanto Starters are Post Game hand outs like all other Non-Regional Starters are like in Pokemon Emerald and forward. Should probably wait for more information before saying we get two starters in the game since this has the makings of being post-game hand outs like they always end up. [[User:XanderO|XanderO]] ([[User talk:XanderO|talk]]) 14:08, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
:While I do believe we should wait till we have more information on this, I thought we had more reason to believe that the Kanto starters weren't post-game hand outs. First of all, I don't believe they revealed post-game starters before during pre-release. And second, I believe in the Pokémon Direct, the man asked Masuda if there was going to be anything different about this game. Masuda then answered by talking about Sycamore giving out one of the Kanto starters. If it was post-game, that wouldn't be different from previous games at all. They even showed that picture with the three Kalos starters and the three Kanto starters. I think that the implication is that we're supposed to have 2 starters early on this time around. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] ([[User talk:Pocketfanmk|talk]]) 17:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

::If you actually watched the Pokémon Direct, you would have heard that you get both starters near the beginning of the game. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 17:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
::::''"In the past Pokémon games, the story began when the Pokémon Professor let you choose one of three Pokémon. However, in Pokémon X and Y your first partner Pokémon; Chespin, Fennekin, or Froakie; won't be given to you from the Professor but by your friend instead. Then you'll receive a different Pokémon from the Professor later on. What you get from the Professor is one of the partner Pokémon from the original Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue."'' 11:45 - 12:30
:::No where does it say you get both at the beginning of the game. Not to mention the Professor isn't even in the starting town. We can't say for sure when you'll officially meet the Professor in-game. Even if the city itself is post-first gym, he might not be there. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

== XY? ==

Would you say the xy starters are not official starters because a professor doesn't give them to you? So they may not be deemed good enough for starter trainers? [[User:Prinben|Prinben]] ([[User talk:Prinben|talk]]) 13:17, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
:A starter Pokemon is a Pokemon a beginning Trainer starts their journey with. XY is clearly indicating that it doesn't matter where you get them from, as long as you start with it, it's a starter. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

==Friend Safari==

Do the kanto starter first stage evos in the Friend Safari count as legitimately obtaining all three starter pokemon from a previous game? [[User:Yveltal0003|Yveltal0003]] ([[User talk:Yveltal0003|talk]]) 19:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

== Tierno and Trevor ==

Should their starters in XY be included? They don't pick from the three but they both only have two Pokemon when you first have a double battle with them and Serena. I think one of them's starter was Pikachu but I can't remember who. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
:I don't think we can confirm what their actual Starter Pokémon are or when they got them, seeming they could of switched them before you battle them. Unless its explicitly stated, I think we should just say that there could be other options for Starter Pokémon than those given, although that's just my opinion on the matter. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 21:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

== Turn sprites into artwork ==

Can anyone turn sprites into artwork because we're at Generation VI? Thank you! [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 07:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Split ==

SnorlaxMonster suggested this {{DL|Talk:Starter Pokémon|Definition of starter Pokémon|in an above section}}, but nothing came of it, so I'm slapping on the split template so that hopefully, even if no consensus comes of discussion, it'll go to the staff on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/candidates-merging-moving-mainspacing-splitting-discussion-thread-114138/ the forum thread]. I propose that the traditional Grass/Fire/Water trios comprise an article, and all other Pokémon that Trainers in various media start with comprise another. I suggest ''Starter Pokémon'' and ''First Pokémon'', respectively, but any number of other names are also possible. The main thing is that the Grass/Fire/Water trios differ significantly from starting Pokémon in side games, the anime, the manga, etc. The two sets need to be treated separately.

Whether to include the Pikachu and Eevee from Yellow is a bone of contention that I'd prefer not to overshadow this, but since it's relevant, I will give my opinion on it. Under no circumstances should Eevee be included, because it's the rival's, not the players. (Same conditions as Marill and Ralts.) Pikachu's more of a gray area, but it doesn't fill the same role statistically or in availability in any other game, so I feel it also doesn't belong with the Grass/Fire/Water trios despite being a starting Pokémon for the player in the main series.[[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
:The only issue I have with this is that there is still the issue of Orre and Pokétopia, though it sounds like under the proposal it would be a First Pokémon over a Starter Pokémon. My two cents is that there is a bit of gray area currently, though they are called "the big three" for Japanese players. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:32, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
::If a "starter Pokemon" is something you get to choose, then none of Orre, Poketopia, or Yellow will count. Your "first Pokemon" is just something you're saddled with, then. I don't have a big problem with that sort of definition. As things stand, though, Poketopia's inclusion seems pretty dumb, to me. I like Colo and XD counting, because those actually have stories (like the main games) besides connecting with main games; but it doesn't seem that PBR has a story. It just seems like a glorified Pokemon Stadium. I'm not a fan of it "counting", period, whether for "starters" (of whatever definition) or "firsts" (I think). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
::P.S.: Oh, one can argue, though, that with XD's Eevee, you get your "choice" when you choose who to evolve Eevee into. And that at least includes Water and Fire (and then some), if not Grass. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
:::I feel as though "starter Pokémon" should refer only to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios. I can accept Pikachu and Eevee under some interpretations, but I really don't think they count. "Starter Pokémon" is an official term, the problem is that it's difficult to find it actually defined (but I don't believe I've ever seen it used to describe Pikachu or Eevee); perhaps if somewhere the "Kanto starter Pokémon" is used to refer to Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, that could count as excluding Pikachu and Eevee from being starters. Regardless, I think the generational elemental trios clearly share commonalities that Eevee and Pikachu do not. I don't even know if "first Pokémon" deserves a page, but I certainly think that info does not belong here. (Also, thanks for reviving my suggestion. I have a bunch that I've put forward in many places that even I've forgotten about, so it's always nice to see someone else take interest.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:17, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
::::While I feel like "Starter Pokémon" usually refers to the generation Grass-Fire-Water trios, I don't feel like special cases like Pikachu should be excluded/ignored (especially since Pokémon Yellow was a main series game). I don't agree with the rival's Pokémon being listed though, because they're never given to the player and thus technically not Starter Pokémon for us. It really depends how we're defining starter Pokémon, because if we're describing them as "First Pokémon, distributed or given without having to catch them, usually by a Professor" then Pikachu fits in that definition. Even if we decide to remove Pikachu and co. from the page, I'd at least like to see Pikachu listed somewhere. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 20:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

::I find splitting Starter Pokémon from First Pokémon redundant. Not only do they have similar meanings, your starters are your first Pokémon, which is why they are called starters in the first place. Pikachu was your starter in Yellow despite not being a Fire, Water, or Grass type Pokémon. I don't get why we'd need to split the official and unofficial starters. If this proposal succeeds, I would start a new proposal to merge them. I strongly oppose the split. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 18:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

:::I agree. A starter Pokémon is not defined by type. That's just stupid. A starter Pokémon is a Pokémon that you START with. That doesn't mean it has to be a grass/fire/water at all! And, that also means that the rival's Eevee, Marill, or Ralts all count as well. It is the Pokémon that they START with. It's a fact. Deal with it. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 16:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Starter Pokémon are called such because they are are started with. It is never stated that other Pokémon aren't starters, because they technically are. ''Start''er Pokémon. EDIT: If they are split, I think that everything but what the player starts with in the main series should be on starter, everything else on first. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:27, 13 March 2014 (UTC), edit time 18:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::In official materials, "starter Pokémon" always seems to be used to refer to the Grass-Fire-Water trios. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/chronicles-14-journey-to-the-starting-line/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/07_31-six-pack-attack/] [http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-gb/pokemon/starters/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/10_01-following-a-maidens-voyage/] [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/pokemon-black-and-white-1/en-us/pokemon/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/16_12-new-placesfamiliar-faces/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-episodes/08_40-the-right-place-and-the-right-mime/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/super-smash-bros-brawl/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-emerald-version/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/explore-and-watch/] [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-tcg/black-white/black-white-cards]. I get that people would like the term to also refer to any Pokémon that any character has as their first Pokémon, but that is simply unsupported. The Grass-Fire-Water trios are clearly a distinct group, and they need a specific name to refer to them; officially, this has always been "starter Pokémon", which has also excluded any other Pokémon a character may have as their first Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

== Why is Marill on this page? ==

Why is Marill on the page? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 23:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
:Because {{ga|Lyra}}/{{ga|Ethan}} has it. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 00:05, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
::Oh I see now, I miss read the entry.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
:::Just because Ethan/Lyra has it does not make it a starter IMO. same with Wally's Ralts. we might need to re-discuss this -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 08:36, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

== Trivia (Could be added to a trivia point speaking of egg group) ==

................. and Treecko and Charmander are the only starter pokemon to belonging to part dragon egg group. {{unsigned|Tgage}}
:If two are in it, it's not unique and therefore not notable, even with the cool factors of dragons added to the equation. You could make a case for noting how Chimchar's the only one in Human-Like, but I think that may be the only one in a unique group. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 13:59, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

==Mega Evolution Table==
Could someone fix the table that shows the mega evolutions of all the starters? Currently they're all redlinks, but when I tried to fix it myself it messed up the images. [[User:Slimey01|'''slimey''']][[User talk:Slimey01|'''01''']] 22:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

== Kalos starters gender ratio ==

Okay so I have played through both x and y a few diferent times here and only ONCE has there been a male fennekin. My fist play through of Y I choose fennekin and she was female. Shaunas Chespin was also female. Further more I have started quite a few different play through in X due to always losing my nuzlocks and first go my forkie was female and shaunas fennekin was also female. second time through my froakie was male but still shauna fennekin was female. Ive also gotten 3 resets in a row female chespin.
I dont know about froakie and chespin but Im PRETTY POSITIVE fennekins line is 75% female. Ive only seen 1 male fennekin in a lets play on youtube as well out of about 5 lets plays Ive watched.
Im also fairly certain that frokie's line is 50/50 on gender and maybe chespins.
I dont belive anyone can go through the code as of yet but Id like some proof at its still 75% the starter is male. I believe the reason they did that in gen 2 was so starters were more rare if you didnt know about ditto but that trend has kinda gotten out dated with everyone knowing of ditto and such.
So yeah I believe the gender ratio should be unknown of the kalos starters until we can get official proof of it.
I will say I have not done any breeding of the starters yet but think Ill start filling up a box for each one and post my results.

--[[User:Furry|Furry]] ([[User talk:Furry|talk]]) 02:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

: All of the starters have always had the same gender ratio, so not only is it probably safe to assume that the Kalos starters are the same but also people have the ability to see the coding of the games and as such we come up with the gender ratios for the Pokemon.

Also, almost all of the starters I have are male.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51/Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 17:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

== Kalos secondary triangle ==

The Kalos starters have, in their final forms, two type triangles: Grass/Fire/Water and Fighting/Psychic/Dark. This is notable. Yet it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Starter_Pok%C3%A9mon&curid=1162&diff=2134311&oldid=2134310 was removed].

But, you say: Dark is ''immune'' to Psychic rather than just being resistant. Well...so? Practically speaking, that is a trivial difference. If I put {{p|Braixen}} in against {{p|Chesnaught}}, Braixen has little to fear from Chesnaught's STAB moves whereas Chesnaught must fear any of Braixen's STAB moves. By the same token, if I put {{p|Greninja}} in against Braixen, Greninja has little to fear from Braixen's STAB moves whereas Braixen must fear any of Greninja's STAB moves. It's basically irrelevant that Greninja has ''even less'' to fear from Braixen than Braixen/Chesnaught do from Chesnaught/Greninja. The essential fact remains: by their typings (in their final forms), each of the starters has the advantage, ''both offensivley and defensively'', against another one of the starters in a triangular fashion.

It is irrelevant that Dark is immune to Psychic. The essential fact of "This Pokemon can do well against that one but not against the other one" is exactly the same. Both triangles are valid and this second one deserves noting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:38, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

: I think the inital trivia note on it before it was changed is valid
::* The Kalos starter Pokémon's secondary types ({{t|Fighting}}, {{t|Psychic}}, and {{t|Dark}}) almost form another type-advantage triangle, being broken by the fact that the Dark type is immune to the Psychic type.
: Someone changed it which ultimately caused it to become confusing and end up being removed as it was fine for however long it was on there until it was removed (after rewording).--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51/Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 16:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

:::That I wouldn't mind since it's not stating that the Dark/Psychic/Fighting creates a triangle that is exactly like the Grass/Fire/Water cycle. In fact, it's why I decided to leave it there when it was added the first time before it was reworded.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
::::I don't see how the immunity breaks this though. It still forms a type triangle. Am I missing something? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 08:31, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::The triangle is where the types are super effective to one type and resists the other. I feel that this is evident by Game Freak's continual usage of Grass/Fire/Water for the past six generations. Dark does not resist Psychic, thus breaking the triangle.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:45, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

== Gender ==
Isn't the starter Pokémon always the same gender as the player? If it is, should'nt it be added?
[[User:Lokki]] [[User talk:Lokki|Talk]] 13:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

:No, it isn't always the same. [[User:RandomDSplayer|RandomDSplayer]] ([[User talk:RandomDSplayer|talk]]) 12:59, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

== Trivia Fact ==

Here is an interesting trivia fact about the Fire-type starters.

'''There has been a superstition that the Fire-type starters are based on the animals of the Chinese Zodiac. Some of the information is false, like Cyndaquil and Fennekin based on the rat and dog.'''

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:35, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:Speculation/opinion.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

== Trivia Fact: May (Anime) ==

Trivia Fact: May (Anime)

'''The only Kanto starter that May did not catch or obtain is Charmander.''' This is true because she already has Blaziken, a Fire starter native to Hoenn.

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 02:39, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:You say "This is true because..." as if we doubt you, we know what you're talking about. It's not notable, one out of three, and it's also expected since she already had Blaziken.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Forget what I said about May's Blaziken. What I meant to say why the fact is true is because May has a Bulbasaur (now a Venusaur) and a Squirtle (now a Wartortle), but not Charmander.

[[User:Chrisbulb|Christian]] ([[User talk:Chrisbulb|talk]]) 23:42, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:That is evident by looking at May's Pokemon list, so it doesn't belong in trivia. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 23:58, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

== Other in-game starters ==

Is that section really necessary? Obviously not every Pokémon Trainer starts out with the same starter Pokémon - Falkner uses his dad's Pokémon, not the starters, and dozens of random NPCs could be running around with Pokémon from the Professors (even if not these specific species), yet the few who mention their first Pokémon say they got them from their parents or something of the sort. For instance, [[Sinnoh Route 204|Youngster Tyler's Magikarp and Starly]] are from his dad if memory serves. Do we ''need'' a section showing all of the known NPC starters? I definitely think only the players' starters belong on this page, except MAYBE Eevee since it was at least ''intended'' for the player; things like Wally's Ralts and Ethan's/Lyra's Marill don't belong here in my opinion. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 16:00, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

== Raichu ==

I think we should add Raichu alongside BST comparison table (fully evolved) table for clarity's sake. This is not damaging the table or harming anything, it would make sense to include fully evolved version of Pikachu there, and there would be no need to remove Pikachu. [[User:PkmnTrainerV|The legendary PkmnTrainerV is Here!]] ([[User talk:PkmnTrainerV|talk]]) 11:08, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
:The reason why Raichu is not included is because you can't get Raichu in Yellow nor evolve Pikachu.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:18, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
::I know that, I just thought it would be more clear, and with a note about Raichu in Yellow. Since extra info won't hurt. That's my opinion, I guess. [[User:PkmnTrainerV|The legendary PkmnTrainerV is Here!]] ([[User talk:PkmnTrainerV|talk]]) 13:12, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

== Mary´s Marreep ==

Shouldn´t we add Mary´s Mareep as her first pokemon as well?--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 12:07, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

== Trivium ==
I'd like to point out two things.
:1. Chespin, Fennekin, and Froakie are the first starter pokemon whos' final forms are all humanoid in appearance.
:2. The evolutionary lines of Chespin, Fennekin, and Froakie, especially their final forms, resemble character classes(fighter, mage, and thief) from {{wp|role-playing video games}}.[[User:Robbie|Robbie]] ([[User talk:Robbie|talk]]) 01:34, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
::1) Speculation
::2) No. That's too specific and means nothing at all. So what if their final forms are humanoid? It has no bearing on anything at all.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:19, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
:::1) Only the fire-type starter pokemon since Torchic became humanoid in their final evolutions.
:::2)The rest of the starter pokemon don't become what I said as they evolve.[[User:Robbie|Robbie]] ([[User talk:Robbie|talk]]) 12:30, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
::::I got the two mixed up.
::::1)Again, so what? Them being humanoid means absolutely nothing.
::::2)Again, nothing but speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:39, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
:::::1)Really? The fact that Tepig and Snivy have the shortest names of all starter pokemon doesn't seem to be more noteworthy.
:::::2)Chesnaught is a spiky and armoured hedgehog resembling a knight and a Grass/Fighting type. Delphox is a witch-like fox and a Fire/Psychic type. Greninja is a ninja frog and a Water/Dark type.[[User:Robbie|Robbie]] ([[User talk:Robbie|talk]]) 18:36, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

== Suggestion ==

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/withU/resource/images/top/main-circle.png

Artwork featuring the player's starter Pokémon for the [[Pokémon with You]] campaign

[[User:Tester|Tester]] ([[User talk:Tester|talk]]) 06:24, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Talk:First partner Pokémon/Archive 1

2017-06-18T06:22:47Z

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Talk:Player character

2014-12-25T12:19:25Z

Tester: /* Suggestion */ new section

I suggest merge of [[Player character]] and [[Rival]], as well as categorisation according to the game instead of the Region. Also, I believe Pokemon Ranger characters should be added as main characters, considering that Pokemon Ranger is actually a main Pokemon Game.

Anyone have the Emerald sprite of May? [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-Z''']][ 14:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:And again that request is made. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Re-write? ==

Does anyone else think this article needs a re-write? [[User:PDL|PDL]] 03:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:Do you have a reason? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:It seems kinda... messy. It's not that hard really explain how a player character works in a video game. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 02:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Backsprites ==

I was thinking that we could take a page from the Pokémon pages and find the backsprites of the player characters as well as the partner characters (like Steven and Buck).--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 03:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Mentioning of Player in Mystery Dungeon? ==

There's not really much more to say... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 01:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or the player in Trozei (being the user him/herself). Or in any of the other games, for that matter. What about Snap? I feel like this should be a stub. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 05:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, the player in Trozei (or Link, as we call it over here) is [[Lucy Fleetfoot]]. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 17:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::And that's a stub, if I've ever seen one. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== *COUGH* ==

Why do we need backsprites?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have them for Pokémon. So why not characters.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because it made the page wayyy to big. Maybe if we didn't just have one, but all of those broken links look just awful.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::We could resize them. We also have broken links on the Pokémon pages IMHO, it just lets someone know that the images should be created.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Resize? Eww. Only one Pokémon even does that, and it's Deoxys. Perhaps I'll do a hack of the sprite template that'll allow for it. Or you can. I dunno. Yeah. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I might be able to. what exactly do you mean?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Michael and What's his name... ==

What about side game characters? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:Lunick, Solana, the players in PMD, yeah they should go here. And if they do, the part about being remarkably silent doesn't apply to PMD.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Dawn and Luca's Platinum sprites ==

They're not uploaded yet,right? Can someone upload them? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Two little things ==

Couldn't the table also hold the overworld sprite for each character? I don't think they appear anywhere else. Also, HgSs will require another column for Gold and Kris, should I change it? [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 03:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gamecube game characters? ==

What about Wes and Michael? I see no reason for them to be excluded. Sure, we wouldn't have as many pictures since they appear in 3D games, but I really can't consider those games to be side-games. They're full-fledged Pokemon RPGs, just like the handhelds. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Umm...already stated... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Missed it due to the lack of pictures. Nevermind. Sorry. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] 02:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ranger ==

Shouldn't we list the player characters in Ranger? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I will. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 03:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== The new girl ==

Since we're not getting Kris back, as she's more a Crystal character than a GS (and by extension, HGSS) character, what should we name the new girl since we don't know her name and likely won't be getting it?

I say Soul, since, like Leaf, she'll likely be named for the prefix of the secondary remake game, while her male counterpart is the primary original game (Gold, like Red) and her rival is the secondary original game (Silver, like Blue/Green).

Should we make an article yet, though? I've protected both Heart and {{ga|Soul}} until the tenth anniversary of GS, so... no need to worry there. Plus, we can move it when and if we get her real name either via hacking the games to pieces or because they actually '''give her one outright'''. But it never happened to Leaf, so... we'll just wait to see, eh?

So, below, vote: make it, don't make it, and under what name? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:There are still some arguments that she is Kris but with a major redesign. Kinda like Red in FRLG. But I don't know. I say Soul because of the reason you stated (even though I like Heart better). Make it under {{ga|Soul}}. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

::Let's wait till the game is released. An opposite-gender player will have a supporting role, which means there'll be a fixed name for her. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 05:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, we shouldn't wait six months to make an article about a character from the Pokémon games. I like Soul, but make sure that it is noted that until confirmation it is a fan name. When CoroCoro comes out I'll have at it and see if it is noted anywhere amidst the crazyness.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 05:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maxim... that's for Gen III and IV games. HGSS is a Gen II game (technically). Where was Leaf's supporting role? Did I somehow ''miss her'' in FireRed, despite completing the game 100%? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::: My vote goes for making an article, or at least starting one that we can move to the proper place when the name is revealed. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 06:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::I vote for making the article. Call it Soul or whatever you want, see if I care. I'm too upset with the decision of erasing Kris from the Pokémon World to even bother. Kris is the best thing that ever happened to the Pokémon franchise. [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 06:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Your right Mr. Charlie, if it wasn't for Kris there wouldn't be girl characters. Then they go and replace her with a girl with Mario's overolls and a '''HUGE''' hat. I felt like crying :(
See my page, the part with my pokemon trainers. I'm not going to touch it untill some more info on this "Soul".[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 21:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Scratch that last thing I said, I'll call her Soul Kamon.[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1]] 22:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Titles... ==

Color clashing... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Should be better now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== Overhead sprites ==

Think we should add those too? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Old question but sounds like a good idea. However, we need someone able to rip sprites to do that. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 19:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gold's backsprite ==

Why do we even have it there? Anyway,they changed his backsprite,but the article still shows the original one. Is the screenshot to small? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:There are two there already... [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::I meant his Heartgold and Soulsilver backsprite,they changed [http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/Pichu_Chu/con01_img04.jpg it],it's slightly different. For example,his hair isn't parted. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 22:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I guess it could be one of the first beta things for HGSS, but its still to early to tell, they could change it again--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 04:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

i think we should wait because the back sprite is changing in recent pictures he does not have the symbol on the back of his hat.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 17:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Counterparts for missing ==

May and Dawn needs on their respective webs a section of counterparts like Red, Gold, Kris and Kotone, please sombebody cna do it? --Ash 20:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Wes is one of the few that "doesnt wear head gear" trivia ==

Ummm... I own Colosseum and it shows him wearing silver visors in his hair, and also if you go to his page you can see he's wearing them as headgear in the photo. But, every time I try to remove Wes from that part of the trivia, someone puts him back in...

Visors aren't headgear. They're eyeware. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

== Gold's HGSS Name ==

Until HG and SS are released here (as short a time as that'll be), Gold's HGSS sprite should be titled "Hibiki". Then there's the matter of Silver seemingly being "rival"/"Rival" rather than truly named, but a lack of name rationalizes attributing "Silver" to him my my count (though that's not so much here as it is there, on the rivals' page). [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 01:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:There has been a heap of discussion about these characters' names all over the pedia (for example, here), and the consensus reached is that we ain't touching anything until the games are released. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Protection ==

I personally think we should protect this page considering the Generation V boy and girl heroes have been revealed with little detail for both. The main reason is because I know someone out there will post fake images and ridiculous speculation. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 11:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'd rather we assumed good faith and left it open. We'll see how it goes for now. When the details really start to come out, we can rethink. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, about that, shouldn't somebody put info and pics about BW player characters?

== Stadium characters ==

Do they count as player characters? You honestly don't really play as them, as in moving them or anything, but you do tell your Pokemon what to do, which is the players ability. So you ''technically'' do play as them. Also, they aren't Ethan and Kris. Or even actually, any other protagonist [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 14:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Of course they do. You control them just as much as Lucy Fleetfoot. They are 100% player characters, in my opinion. The fact that you don't walk using them doesn't make them any worse. I think I could upload their faceshots and add them to this article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== What's wrong? ==

I can't see the bottom of this page. It dead-ends after the template with Ranger Characters. Does this happen just to me, or is there something screwed-up in the coding? It doesn't happen when I view older revisions of the article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Works fine for me. I think it's because of all the internal trouble and stuff the the 'pedia's been experiencing recently. It happend to me the other day, on a different page. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 11:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Works because I just fixed it. Someone had added there a HTML comment but forgot to close it... '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Black and White Trainers? ==

I'm a bit surprised they aren't featured here. I understand them not getting their own pages (yet) due to the scarcity of information on them, but I can't even find their images on this site. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

They probably just want to avoid speculation. Personally, I'm just glad the male trainer has a normal hair color. First in Generation III it was white, then in IV it looked purple (although ingame it looked more like black)
On a somewhat related note, does anyone have any idea why the player characters from black and white are older than in previous games?[[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:No Black and White until we actually know something about them. And no opinionated chat here. There are in fact pictures of the BW main characters in the group shot in the article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The male trainer in Generation III has black hair. In the manga, it revealed that the white part was a hat. And if you look closely under the headband, you could see some black hair. ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 06:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC))

== Trivia ==

Does anyone else think it's worth mentioning that each of the main series player characters have a hat of some sort? '''''[[Special:Contributions/Shiny_Rayquaza|→→→]] [[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 02:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I wouldn't count May's as a hat so much as a headband, but since Brendan's is a hat, then I do think it's worth mentioning. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Bah I meant bandanna, not headband. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It would probably better to use the word "headgear", so that the trivia point encompasses all the player characters. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Optional names for <player character> ==

I've made a few templates to replace the old ones on each page. [[User:Takharii/sandbox#'In other languages' template|They're both here]]. Which one does everyone like better? [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 09:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:Colors of the first one on the second design. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon Channel ==
What about Pokemon channel? I know you never see the character, but it is still a game and the name should be mentioned. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Are you sure that the edits by ''Ash Pokemaster‏'' is right? Does this page no longer needed the sprites from previous generations? [[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:Well, there isn't really a need for them. The page was listing all the protagonists. Not listing all their sprites. I somewhat agree with it. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 21:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::If you need sprites you can always use a [http://www.spriters-resource.com/ sprites resource]! Heck, you can even open the article of each character to find them. I don't think there's need for sprites to be placed in every possible article. The article looks much more elegant now, albeit incomplete. :P
::Also, this isn't a perfect design or anything. I just tried to make it look more proper for the wiki, but it still needs work. First of all, there is need for this style to be applied in other characters as well. It would also probably be handy to combine the male the female characters boxes. But either way, I think that it looks fine now. [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 23:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ranger Backs & Main Series ==

First off, anyone got the underwater Ranger backs? And second off, what happened to/was wrong with that proper collection of sprites under characters? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 22:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:See just abobe. :) [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 16:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Typing DS chars ==

They did have some sprites, right? I think they also had some default names, didn't they? They may not be worth their own articles but I think they should definitely be included here. Can anyone who has a copy check their names (and upload sprites, if possible)? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== P+NA ==

is there art of the player characters from Pokémon + Nobunaga's Ambition we could put on here? [[User:Volcronaperson|Volcronaperson]] 00:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes there is. Now it is on this page.

== Black and White 2 Trainers ==

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/

Just thought they should be added to the group shot now that good pics are out. {{unsigned|Clark Griswald}}

== X and Y ==

Do we have a confirmed name here?

http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/screenshots/june_p14_04.jpg

[[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 14:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:It looks likely, but we may need to wait until both are revealed. Xavier does sound like a good name for the male protagonist... [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

::Looks like the X and Y player character's names are Yvonne (girl) and Xavier (boy). '''Seeming they used the boy's name again, I'd say it's highly probable that these are their default names, but I'm not the one to judge, and I think we should still wait a bit longer, just in case.''' [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] ([[User talk:Zarthga|talk]]) 09:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/5b/XY_Prerelease_PSS_battle_1.png

:It feels like you guys might be jumping the gun here. While their names might very well end up being these, there is years of precedence in the Pokemon franchise for pre-release "tentative" player names to later be scrapped altogether for the finished product.

:Not really fond of the mindset of "closest thing to canon right now" being of encyclopedic material. [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 03:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::Not to mention these are not the only names we have seen for these characters, with the latest being Callum and Serena. [[User:Gohan5|Gohan5]] ([[User talk:Gohan5|talk]]) 13:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Those are the Japanese names. Although it should be noted that the Japanese equivalent of those pictures used "X" and "Y" in katakana, so it's very unlikely that those will be the final names. We'll have to wait till tomorrow, I suppose. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 13:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

::::I would honestly not be surprised at all if Callum and Serena wind up being universal (or partially), given how this is the first time in the history of the series where player characters of the Japanese version are being given distinctive and real non-Japanese names (Western ones, to boot). [[User:Gacs|Gacs]] ([[User talk:Gacs|talk]]) 07:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

:Calem and Serena has been confirmed as the main characters' name in English version.([[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 09:01, 15 June 2013 (UTC))
::Is there a reason we haven't made pages for Calem and Serena yet? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 00:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
::I think we have a misunderstood here, please check the official page of Pokemon, thay only wrote, "Serena or Calem - Your next-door neighbor in Vaniville will set out on a journey just like everyone else, with the goal of becoming a powerful Pokémon Trainer. If your character is a boy, your neighbor will be Serena. If you play as a girl, Calem will be your neighbor." - [[User:Theodorethebear|Theodorethebear]] ([[User talk:Theodorethebear|talk]]) 12:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:::To Vienna Waltz, it's because we don't have that much info on them right now. To Theodorethebear, yes, it does say that. What's your point? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 12:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

== Female Character ==

This page says if the female player is chosen on the [[Crystal]] game pack the female character will appear. But when I chose the male on Crystal the female character still appears. I think when any Crystal game pack is used then the female character will appear. ----[[User:Ethan7|Ethan]] ''([[User talk:Ethan|Talk]])'' 04:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

== Player height and weight ==

*{{ga|Ethan}} was 4'11" tall and weighed 88.2 lbs in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
*{{ga|Lyra}} is 4'11" tall and weighs 90.4 lbs.
*{{ga|Lucas}} is 4'7" (143 cm) tall and weighs 83.8 lbs (38 kg).
*{{ga|Dawn}} is 4'6" (1.40 m) tall and weighs 75 lbs (34 kg).

Those trivia bits are in those articles. I don't know where they came from. (I suspect the [[Pokédex]].) It seems as though we only have it for the [[Generation IV]] protagonists. The function that allowed the player character to be compared to a Pokémon was apparently added in Generation III, according to the Pokédex page, so why isn't it known for {{ga|Red}}, {{ga|Leaf}}, {{ga|Brendan}}, or {{ga|May}}? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
:At least in HGSS, the height and weight for the PCs is physically spelled out, meaning the game tells you outright that the characters are this height and weight (so I suspect it's the same for DPPt). In Ruby and FR (the games I checked), there are only rough silhouette depictions and no numbers (and certainly no weight comparisons). So it's impossible to add anything for the Gen 3 protags that isn't guesswork. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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[[User:Tester|Tester]] ([[User talk:Tester|talk]]) 12:19, 25 December 2014 (UTC)