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Pokémon Black and White Versions

2010-11-04T19:06:48Z

Team Hyper: added the promo video

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'''Pokémon Black Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターブラック''' ''Pocket Monsters Black'') and '''Pokémon White Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターホワイト''' ''Pocket Monsters White'') are the primary [[paired version]]s of [[Generation V]]. They are, like [[Generation IV]]'s games, on the [[Nintendo DS]].

Black and White follow the trends set up by previous games in the series. Two [[player character]]s (one male and one female) travel a new region, [[Isshu]], on their [[Pokémon journey]]s. This region is inhabited by various {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}, almost all of which have not appeared prior to Black and White. The first of the new Pokémon to feature in these games, {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}}, were revealed on February 10, 2010 in [[CoroCoro]] magazine, and the [[starter Pokémon]] were revealed in May.

The games' names were revealed on the official Japanese Pokémon website on April 9, and scans from the subsequent issue of the magazine were leaked on April 10. These scans revealed some of the graphical enhancements that will be featured in these games. There is a higher level of 3D graphics than in previous games, as shown in some shots of the overworld. Initial sprites can be seen for Zorua, Zoroark, and the [[player character]]s.

In addition to the improved graphics, a number of aesthetic changes have been made from previous generations, including an altered battle scene containing fully animated Pokémon battle sprites as well as a dynamic camera that changes focus to highlight specific parts of the battle. Also, when talking to people, {{wp|speech balloon}}s for dialog will appear over people's heads, rather than as simply a dialog box.

Black and White are compatible with all five [[Generation IV]] games through use of the [[PokéShifter]] - unlike [[Pal Park]], however, [[item]]s cannot be held by Pokémon being sent over. Pokémon can be sent from Generation III games, as well, by transfer through Generation IV. The games also have the capacity to connect to the {{wp|Internet}}.

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==Plot==
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The game starts in [[Kanoko Town]] in the player's room with [[Cheren]], a childhood friend. [[Professor Araragi]] has left a gift box for the two and [[Bel]], another one of the player's friends, who arrives a little later. The box contains [[Starter Pokémon|three Pokémon]] that the player can choose from. After the selection, Bel will request a battle. When the battle is over, the room becomes cluttered due to the battle. Cheren heals both the player's and Bel's Pokémon, and begins a battle with the player as well. If the player loses to Cheren, he will gloat about his victory. The three then go downstairs, and Cheren and Bel will leave the house while the player's [[mom|mother]] will the Pokémon.

The player visits Bel's house, where she and her father are having an argument about her going on a Pokémon journey. Bel storms out of the house, and the player follows her to Professor Araragi's lab, where Cheren has been waiting. In the lab, Professor Araragi will give the player a chance to nickname the selected [[starter Pokémon]], and give each of the three a [[Pokédex]]. Upon leaving the lab, they will be greeted by the player's mother, who will hand everyone a [[Town Map]].

From then on, the player will set off on adventures through the Isshu region. Along the way, the player will battle eight [[Gym Leader]]s, while trying to complete the [[Pokédex]]. After managing to obtain all eight [[badge]]s, the player will head to the [[Pokémon League]] to battle the [[Elite Four]] and the Champion.

However, the adventure did not go as expected as the evil [[Team Plasma]] will be encountered along the way to the Pokémon League. The player will encounter [[N]], the leader of the evil organization. One of the [[Seven Sages]], [[Geechisu]], have a different goal than their leader. The player must thwart the plans of those two and save the Isshu region from being destroyed.

However, unlike previous games, the player will not be battling the Champion of the Isshu region when he first defeated the Elite Four; instead, [[N]] is battled. After defeating him, he promises not to separate the world into becoming black and white.

After the battle against N, however, the game is not over, as there are further activities to be done.



==Features==
Black and White returns features present in previous generations, such as day, time, abilities and the split between [[Physical move|Physical]] and [[Special move]]s. Certain ones, however, such as [[walking Pokémon|Pokémon following their trainers]] and the [[Battle Frontier]], have been left out.

===C-Gear===
{{main|C-Gear}}
The C-Gear allows players to use certain multiplayer functions while anywhere in the game world. These functions vary with the type of communication used: wireless, Wi-Fi and infrared. The C-Gear is similar to the [[Pokétch]] in that it fills the bottom screen, but its applications are much different.
===Pokémon Global Link===
{{main|Pokémon Global Link}}

====Pokémon Dream World====
{{main|Pokémon Dream World}}
The Pokémon Dream World is a special feature of Black and White which is operated via an Internet website, [http://www.pokemon-gl.com/ Pokémon-GL.com]. The Dream World allows players to send a Pokémon to the Internet to obtain items and meet other Pokémon, making the website in a way such that it is a [[Generation V]] analog to the [[Pokéwalker]].

Many Pokémon that are found here are not found in the [[Isshu]] region, and would otherwise have to be migrated from a [[Generation IV]] game to be used. All of the Pokémon available here are given Dream World-exclusive abilities that their species cannot have by normal means.

===High Link===
{{main|High Link}}
{{incomplete|section}}

===Pokémon Musical===
{{main|Pokémon Musical}}
Pokémon Contests, which have been present since [[Generation III]], are replaced by Pokémon Musicals. Similar to Contests, however, players may dress up their Pokémon when participating.

===Seasons===
{{main|Seasons}}
Much like [[Generation II]] introduced as system of time, Generation V features changes in seasons. Seasons change every month. With it comes aesthetic changes in the region, as well as some changes with the Pokémon found in the wild. Additionally, {{p|Shikijika}} and its evolution {{p|Mebukijika}} change forms every season.

===Sprite animations===
While already featured in previous games, Pokémon sprites in Black and White remain animated throughout the battle. Additionally, full back sprites are now present in the games. Some, but not all, Pokémon use animated versions of their [[Generation IV]] sprites. All Trainers, on the other hand, with the exception of [[Bel]], [[Cheren]] and [[N]], return to sprites with no animations.

===Triple Battles===
{{incomplete|section}}

===Rotation Battles===
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===New Gyms===
Pokémon Black and White brings back the traditional eight [[Gyms]], but with it a total of eleven [[Gym Leaders]]. They are [[Dent]], [[Pod]] and [[Corn]] ({{t|Grass}}, {{t|Fire}} and {{t|Water}}, respectively), [[Aloe]] ({{t|Normal}}), [[Arti]] ({{t|Bug}}), [[Kamitsure]] ({{t|Electric}}), [[Yacon]] ({{t|Ground}}), [[Fuuro]] ({{t|Flying}}), [[Hachiku]] ({{t|Ice}}), [[Shaga]] and [[Iris]] ({{t|Dragon}}). Dent, Pod or Corn are battled if the player has chosen the {{type|Water}}, {{type|Grass}} or {{type|Fire}} [[starter Pokémon]], respectively. Shaga is battled in Pokémon Black while Iris is battled in Pokémon White.

===Elite Four===
Unlike previous games, the Elite Four can be battled in any order. After battling all four, a path to the Champion is unlocked. The Elite Four members are [[Shikimi]] ({{t|Ghost}}), [[Giima]] ({{t|Dark}}), [[Caitlin]] ({{t|Psychic}}) and [[Renbu]] ({{t|Fighting}}). However, the player is not able to defeat the Champion before defeating [[Team Plasma]]. Later, after defeating them in a rematch, the player will face Champion [[Adeku]], who uses a variety of types. It should be noted that Caitlin is the same person present in the [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)#Battle Castle|Battle Castle]] who was alongside her butler {{FB|Castle Valet|Darach}} in [[Generation IV]].

===New Pokémon===
:: ''See [[List of Pokémon by Isshu Pokédex number]] and [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number]]''
Black and White bring a total of 156 new Pokémon, bringing the overall total to 649 from the 493 present in Generation IV. While some new Pokémon may have similarities to previously introduced Pokémon, none of the new Pokémon are related to any of the 493.

The first Pokémon to be revealed are {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}}, who were both featured in the [[M13|thirteenth Pokémon movie]]. Unlike previous generations, no other new Pokémon were featured in the anime prior to the games' release.

====[[Version-exclusive Pokémon]]====
In addition to the list below, a large number of Pokémon can be caught in the White-exclusive [[White Forest]].
{| align="center"
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{| align="center" style="background: #{{black color}}; {{roundy|1em}}; border: 3px solid #{{black color light}};"
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! Black
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{black color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
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{{Moveentrytm|013|Weedle|2|Bug|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|014|Kakuna|2|Bug|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|015|Beedrill|2|Bug|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|046|Paras|2|Bug|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|047|Parasect|2|Bug|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|198|Murkrow|2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|228|Houndour|2|Dark|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|229|Houndoom|2|Dark|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|311|Plusle|1|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|313|Volbeat|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|430|Honchkrow| 2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|546|Monmen|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|547|Erufuun|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|574|Gothimu|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|575|Gochimiru|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|576|Gochiruzeru|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|629|Baruchai| 2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|630|Barujiina| 2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|641|Tornelos|1|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|643|Reshiram|2|Dragon|Fire}}
|}
|}
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{white color}}; {{roundy|1em}}; border: 3px solid #{{white color light}};"
|-
! White
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{white color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentrytm|010|Caterpie|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|011|Metapod|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|012|Butterfree|2|Bug|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|200|Misdreavus|1|Ghost}}
{{Moveentrytm|261|Poochyena|1|Dark}}
{{Moveentrytm|262|Mightyena|1|Dark}}
{{Moveentrytm|285|Shroomish|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|286|Breloom|2|Grass|Fighting}}
{{Moveentrytm|312|Minun|1|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|314|Illumise|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|429|Mismagius|1|Ghost}}
{{Moveentrytm|548|Churine|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|549|Doredia|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|577|Yuniran|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|578|Daburan|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|579|Rankurusu|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|627|Washibon|2|Normal|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|628|Wargle|2|Normal|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|642|Voltolos|2|Electric|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|644|Zekrom|2|Dragon|Electric}}
|}
|}
|}

==Compatibility==
Black and White are able to connect with all [[Generation IV|fourth generation]] main series games. Pokémon from Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold, and SoulSilver are able to be traded forward to these games using the [[PokéShifter]]. Like the transfer available in [[Pal Park]], Pokémon sent to Black and White cannot be returned to their original games. Some event Pokémon released in Generation IV have the ability to unlock more events in Generation V: specific {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, {{p|Suicune}} and {{p|Celebi}}, transferrable via an exclusive method called the Transfer Machine, unlock {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}}. Likewise, the [[Lock Capsule]] transferred from Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver yields {{tm|95|Bark Out}}, but this event has yet to take place.

Black and White also have the ability to connect to the Internet, accessing the [[Pokémon Dream World]]; Pokémon acquired in this manner are obtained in the [[High Link|High Link forest]]. Although the game cartridges contain infrared technology similar to that used in HeartGold and SoulSilver, Black and White are unable to connect with the [[Pokéwalker]].

==Reception==
[[File:BWFamitsu.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Black and White's perfect score]]
Gaming magazine Famitsu has given Pokémon Black and White Versions perfect scores. The reviewers were highly impressed with the fresh approach that the game has taken, from the graphics to the new features to the diversity of the Pokémon. The reviewers were also impressed by the Wi-Fi and PC features.

Only 14 other games have received a perfect score of 40/40, the first of which was ''{{zw|The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time}}'', and the most recent being Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker.

==Trivia==
* On the [[C-Gear]], as well as in battle, the current time is displayed in {{wp|12-hour clock|12-hour}} format, however, at the hours of 12:00 AM and PM, the hour displays as 0, rather than 12, as a {{wp|24-hour clock}}, such as that on the DS and in the [[Generation IV]] games, would display midnight.
* Pokémon Black and White each have a {{DL|Legendary Pokémon|Energy Dragon trio|mascot}} of the color of their counterpart version.
* Game Freak spent about one and a half years developing the story and characters.<ref>[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/staff/?p=202 Game Freak's blog]</ref>
** Also, some of the New Pokémon appearing in both games were designed by James Turner of Nintendo of America instead of Ken Sugimori. This is to tie up with the American feel of Black and White.
* Two figures were given away with pre-orders in Japan. People could receive a Reshiram sound drop by pre-ordering Pokémon Black and a Zekrom sound drop by pre-ordering Pokémon White.
* Pokémon Black and White are the first Pokémon games to have different exterior designs for every [[gym]].
**They are also the first games where the Gyms have logos.
* Black and White do not have some aspects that were considered conventional in the past generations, some of which include:
** Three fishing rods (Old, Good and Super), now reduced to just the Super Rod.
** The presence of a Department Store on a route rather than in a city.
** The lack of a [[Game Corner]] and [[Coin Case]], presumed to have stemmed from the dispute of gambling within the games.

==In other languages==
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==References==
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Gary Oak

2010-02-25T22:07:32Z

Team Hyper: /* Intro */

:''For this character's game counterpart, see {{ga|Blue}}''.
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'''Gary Oak''' (Japanese: '''オーキド・シゲル''' ''Shigeru Ōkido'') is the primary [[rival]] of [[Ash Ketchum]] and grandson of [[Professor Oak]]. His Japanese name is derived from [[Shigeru Miyamoto]].

==In the anime==
Gary has been a neighbor of [[Ash Ketchum]] since they were both young. At one time they seemed to be friends and went to see movies together as seen in ''[[AG086|Lights, Camerupt, Action!]]'' Before either of their journeys began, both Gary and Ash found an old [[Poké Ball]] while fishing. The two boys began fighting over who would get to keep the Poké Ball but ended up breaking it in half. Since then, they decided to keep the two separate pieces for themselves. It was revealed in ''[[EP269|The Ties That Bind]]'' that they still carried the pieces with them.

===In the original series===
[[Image:Gary1.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Gary as seen in the original series.]]
The day he started out on his Pokémon journey, he came off as an arrogant trainer, much like his {{pkmn|game}} counterpart, {{ga|Blue}}. His chosen [[starter Pokémon]] was {{TP|Gary|Squirtle|Blastoise}}, which was actually the same Pokémon that Ash originally wanted to start with. He even had a group of [[Gary's cheerleaders|cheerleaders]] who cheered him on in all his battles and would go so far as crying whenever he lost. And he didn't walk on his journeys like most trainers did. Instead he had his own sporty red convertible with his own chauffeur. Gary loved when he got a chance to make fun of Ash by bragging about how far behind Ash was compared to him. He also gave Ash the pet-name of "Ashy-boy" (Japanese: {{tt|"Satoshi''-kun''"|Satoshi is Ash's Japanese name and ''-kun'' is a Japanese honorific, kun can be considered insulting when not used among friends}}), which occasionally seems to annoy him. His style of training at this point was to capture many Pokémon and to use the strongest, as a stark contrast to Ash who focused on developing a bond with his Pokémon.

Soon he would eat his words when he would challenge the [[Viridian City]] [[Gym Leader]], [[Giovanni]] to a Pokémon battle for his final, but not necessary, badge in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]''. At first he seemed to be winning against Giovanni, knocking out most of his Pokémon. But then Giovanni sent out {{an|Mewtwo}} against the trainer and even let Gary use both his {{TP|Gary|Arcanine}} and {{p|Nidoking}} against it. Mewtwo made quick work of the two Pokémon and Gary experienced his first (known) loss. However this still didn't change his arrogance. It would take a loss at the [[Pokémon League]] way later on to finally realize that he needed to change himself.

Gary eventually returned in ''[[EP115|A Tent Situation]]''. Much unlike his former self, he congratulated Ash on his victory in the [[Orange Crew|Orange League]]. Soon Ash challenged him to a battle with his {{AP|Pikachu}} as his choice. Gary in turn used his {{TP|Gary|Eevee|Umbreon}}. Gary managed to defeat Ash and then left on his journey through [[Johto]].

In his few appearances during the Johto season, he seemed to have become the complete opposite of who he was. He became polite, intelligent, and respectful to others, including Ash. In ''[[EP270|Can't Beat the Heat!]]'' he battled Ash at the [[Silver Conference]]. Ash ended up winning the battle when his {{AP|Charizard}} defeated Gary's Blastoise.

In ''[[EP273|Gotta Catch Ya Later!]]'', Gary decided that he didn't want to be a Pokémon Trainer anymore, but instead wanted to be a [[Pokémon researcher]] like his grandfather.

===In the ''Advanced Generation'' series===
In ''[[H015|Putting the Air Back in Aerodactyl]]'', Gary works on [[Sayda Island]] with {{an|Crystal}}. There, he revived an {{p|Aerodactyl}} from an [[Old Amber]]. At first the Aerodactyl was afraid of him and every other person on the island, but Gary soon gained its trust after he fed it some fruit that Aerodactyl used to eat.

Eventually, he moves to the [[Sinnoh]] region where he is currently conducting his research.

In ''[[AG192|Home Is Where The Start Is]]'', Gary reunited with Ash and battled him with his new {{TP|Gary|Electivire}} and defeated Ash's Pikachu once more.

===In the ''Diamond & Pearl'' series===
[[File:Gary DP Pokémon.png|right|thumb|245px|Gary and two of his Pokémon]]
In ''[[DP045|Ill-Will Hunting!]]'' he was taking care of a group of {{p|Shieldon}} and protected them from the evil [[Pokémon Hunter]] [[J]] and [[J's henchmen|her minions]]. He appeared again in ''[[DP085|Fighting Fear With Fear!]]'' where he helped Ash and {{AP|Gligar|Gliscor}} by giving a {{DL|Evolution-inducing held item|Razor Fang}} to Ash which caused {{AP|Gligar}} to evolve later. He was in the area after hearing rumors of {{p|Azelf}}. Upon meeting him, {{an|Dawn}} thought that he was a poet like his [[Professor Oak|grandfather]].

Gary later appeared in [[DP151]] and [[DP152]], working alongside Professor Rowan at [[Valor Lakefront]] where he attempted to protect Azelf from [[J|Pokémon Hunter J]] and [[Team Galactic]], however he was unable to defeat [[Saturn]] in battle. He later monitored the changes around [[Mt. Coronet]] caused by [[Cyrus]]' attempts to summon {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}.

===Pokémon===
Since the very start of his own journey, Gary has shown exceptional skill as a Pokémon Trainer, catching and training an astonishing number and variety of strong Pokémon in a short period of time. However, since retiring as a Pokémon Trainer to become a researcher, it isn't known if he continues to catch new Pokémon.

This listing is for Gary's [[Pokémon]] as of [[DP152]].

====On hand====
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|trainer=Gary
|pkmn=Blastoise
|type1=Water
|img=Gary blastoise.jpg
|epnum=EP004
|epname=Challenge of the Samurai
|vajp=Unshō Ishizuka
|vaen=Eric Stuart
|desc={{p|Blastoise}} is the evolved form of Gary's [[starter Pokémon]], {{p|Squirtle}}. It was seen for the first time in a flashback in ''[[EP004|Challenge of the Samurai]]'' as a Squirtle. It evolved twice prior to ''[[EP269|The Ties That Bind]]'', where Gary used it against Ash during the [[Silver Conference]]. It beat [[Ash's Heracross]] and {{AP|Bayleef}} and also almost defeated [[Ash's Muk]] before Ash recalled it. Eventually, Blastoise was defeated by [[Ash's Charizard]]'s {{m|Seismic Toss}}.

Gary has kept Blastoise in his team even after the Silver Conference. In ''[[DP045|Ill-Will Hunting!]]'' he used it to battle against [[J|Pokémon Hunter J]] and her [[J's henchmen|henchmen]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=yes
|trainer=Gary
|pkmn=Umbreon
|type1=Dark
|img=Gary's Umbreon.png
|epnum=EP116
|epname=The Rivalry Revival
|vajp=Satomi Kōrogi
|vaen=Kayzie Rogers
|desc=Gary's {{p|Umbreon}} was seen for the first time in ''[[EP116|The Rivalry Revival]]'' as an {{p|Eevee}}. Gary used it in his battle against [[Ash's Pikachu]] and won easily. It evolved somewhere before the episode ''[[EP171|Power Play!]]'', where Gary used it to defeat a trainer called [[Alex Davis]] and his {{p|Alakazam}} in a Pokémon battle.

Umbreon has also been seen during Gary's appearances at [[Sinnoh]]. For example, it was seen in ''[[DP085|Fighting Fear With Fear!]]'', where Gary used in a practice battle against [[Ash's Gliscor|Ash's Gligar]]. It also helped Gary to battle against J and [[Saturn]] of [[Team Galactic]] in [[DP151]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=yes
|trainer=Gary
|pkmn=Electivire
|type1=Electric
|img=Gary and Electivire.png
|epnum=AG192
|epname=Home is Where the Start Is!
|vajp=Unshō Ishizuka
|vaen=Bill Rogers
|desc=Gary's {{p|Electivire}} was seen for the first time in ''[[AG192|Home is Where the Start is]]''. Team Rocket tried to steal it, but they were sent blasting off by Electivire's {{m|ThunderPunch}}. It was later used in battle against Ash's Pikachu, where it won easily.

Gary has later been seen using Electivire in Sinnoh. In ''[[DP045|Ill-Will Hunting!]]'' he used it to battle against J in order to stop her from stealing the {{p|Shieldon}}. In [[DP151]], Gary used Electivire to battle against [[Saturn's Toxicroak]], but the Thunderbolt Pokémon was defeated by {{p|Toxicroak}}'s powerful {{m|Poison Jab}}.}}
{{-}}

====In storage====
{{TrainerPoké
|main=yes
|trainer=Gary
|pkmn=Arcanine
|type1=Fire
|img=Gary and Arcanine.jpg
|epnum=EP063
|epname=The Battle of the Badge
|vajp=Shin'ichirō Miki
|vaen=Shin'ichirō Miki
|desc=Gary was first shown to use his {{p|Arcanine}} in his [[Gym]] battle against [[Giovanni]]. Even thought Arcanine managed to defeat Giovanni's {{p|Kingler}}, it was helpless against the {{t|Psychic}} powers of {{an|Mewtwo}}.

Later Gary used Arcanine in [[Extreme Pokémon Race]] in the episode ''[[EP228|Extreme Pokémon!]]''. When [[Team Rocket]] tried to steal Mrs. and [[Mr. Shellby]]'s [[Pokémon egg]]s, Gary used Arcanine's {{m|Flame Wheel}} to send them blasting off. After this the race continued, and finally Ash, using his {{p|Bayleef}}, proved victorious.

Gary later used Arcanine in the Silver Conference. He sent it against [[Ash's Snorlax]], but Snorlax managed to defeat Arcanine with a {{m|Hyper Beam}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
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|pkmn=Nidoking
|gender=male
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|img=Gary's Nidoking.png
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|epname=The Battle of the Badge
|vajp=Katsuyuki Konishi
|vaen=Katsuyuki Konishi
|desc=Gary was first shown to use his {{p|Nidoking}} during his Gym battle against Giovanni. Despite defeating Giovanni's {{p|Golem}}, he lost to the Psychic powers of {{p|Mewtwo}}.

Gary also used Nidoking at the [[Pokémon League]]. He battled against [[Melissa]]'s Golem, but was defeated. The loss meant that Gary was eliminated from the tournament.

Nidoking's known moves are {{m|Tackle}} and {{m|Horn Attack}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=no
|trainer=Gary
|pkmn=Nidoqueen
|gender=female
|type1=Poison
|type2=Ground
|img=NidoqueenMegaPunch.PNG
|epnum=EP115
|epname=A Tent Situation
|vajp=Katsuyuki Konishi
|vaen=Katsuyuki Konishi
|desc=Gary's {{p|Nidoqueen}} was seen for the first time in ''[[EP115|A Tent Situation]]'', where Gary used her to defeat Team Rocket, who were attacking [[Professor Oak's Laboratory]]. She was seen again in the Silver Conference, where she defeated [[Ash's Tauros]], but was finally taken out by Ash's {{p|Snorlax}}'s {{m|Ice Punch}}.

Nidoqueen's known used moves are {{m|Mega Punch}}, {{m|Strength}}, {{m|Rock Smash}}, {{m|Hyper Beam}} and {{m|Double Kick}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=no
|trainer=Gary
|pkmn=Dodrio
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|img=Gary's Dodrio.jpg
|epnum=EP065
|epname=Showdown at the Po-ké Corral
|desc=Gary's {{p|Dodrio}} was for the first time briefly seen as a {{p|Doduo}} in ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]''. It later appeared as a fully-evolved Pokémon in ''[[H015|Putting the Air Back in Aerodactyl!]]'', where Gary used it to stop [[Butch]] and [[Cassidy]] from stealing an {{p|Aerodactyl}}.

Dodrio's only known move is {{m|Drill Peck}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=no
|trainer=Gary
|pkmn=Krabby
|type1=Water
|img=Big krabby.png
|epnum=EP013
|epname=Mystery at the Lighthouse
|vajp=Rikako Aikawa
|vaen=Rikako Aikawa
|desc=Gary's {{p|Krabby}} was seen for the first time in ''[[EP013|Mystery at the Lighthouse]]'' after Ash had captured [[Ash's Kingler|his own Krabby]] and he called for [[Professor Oak|prof. Oak]] to see that it was okay as it had been teleported to his laboratory right after the capture. Oak then also showed Ash Gary's Krabby, which was way [[Giant Pokémon|bigger]] than Ash's one.

Gary's Krabby was briefly seen again in ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]'', where Gary compared its size to Ash's Krabby's size.

None of Krabby's known moves are known.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=no
|trainer=Gary
|pkmn=Magmar
|type1=Fire
|img=Magmarg2.jpg
|epnum=EP269
|epname=The Ties That Bind
|vajp=
|vaen=Eric Stuart
|desc=Gary used his {{p|Magmar}} during his Silver Conference battle against Ash, sending it to battle against Ash's {{p|Heracross}}. Despite having a type disadvantage, the Single Horn Pokémon managed to beat the Spitfire Pokémon with its powerful {{m|Megahorn}}.

Magmar's known moves are {{m|Flamethrower}} and {{m|Fire Blast}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=no
|trainer=Gary
|pkmn=Golem
|type1=Rock
|type2=Ground
|img=Golem1.jpg
|epnum=EP270
|epname=Can't Beat the Heat!
|vajp=
|vaen=Eric Stuart
|desc=During his battle against Ash in the Silver Conference, Gary used his {{p|Golem}} to battle against Ash's {{p|Charizard}}. Despite being too heavy for Charizard's Seismic Toss, the Megaton Pokémon was finally knocked out by Charizard's {{m|Dragon Rage}}.

Golem's known moves are {{m|Magnitude}} and {{m|Rollout}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=no
|trainer=Gary
|pkmn=Scizor
|type1=Bug
|type2=Steel
|img=Scizor1.jpg
|epnum=EP270
|epname=Can't Beat the Heat!
|vajp=Katsuyuki Konishi
|vaen=Eric Stuart
|desc=Gary used his {{p|Scizor}} during his Silver Conference battle against Ash. It easily defeated Ash's Snorlax and {{p|Muk}}, but was finally knocked out by Charizard's powerful {{m|Flamethrower}}.

Scizor's known moves are {{m|Quick Attack}}, {{m|Metal Claw}}, {{m|Swift}} and {{m|Steel Wing}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=no
|trainer=Gary
|pkmn=Unseen Silver Conference Pokémon
|type1=Psychic
|img=Garyspokmon2.jpg
|epnum=EP269
|epname=The Ties That Bind
|desc=Before his battle against Gary in ''[[EP269|The Ties That Bind]]'', Ash was seen checking Gary's website, where Gary's Pokémon were listed with pictures. Among them, there were several Pokémon that Gary hasn't been seen using. The listed but yet unseen Pokémon were {{p|Alakazam}}, {{p|Houndoom}}, {{p|Kingdra}}, {{p|Skarmory}}, {{p|Pinsir}} and {{p|Fearow}}.}}
{{-}}
As of ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]'', Gary has more than 200 Pokémon in his collection including more than one of the same species.
{{-}}

====Temporary====
{{TrainerPoké
|main=no
|trainer=Hagatha
|pkmn=Hoothoot
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|img=Gary's Hoothoot.png
|epnum=EP121
|epname=Illusion Confusion!
|vajp=Yuji Ueda
|vaen=Yuji Ueda
|desc=Gary rented this {{p|Hoothoot}} from [[Hagatha]] in episode ''[[EP121|Illusion Confusion!]]'', when he was traveling through a forest full of illusion-creating {{t|Ghost}} Pokémon. Its only known move is {{m|Foresight}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=no
|trainer=Crystal
|pkmn=Aerodactyl
|type1=Rock
|type2=Flying
|img=Gary's lab island wild Aerodactyl.png
|epnum=H015
|epname=Putting the Air Back in Aerodactyl!
|vajp=Shin'ichirō Miki
|vaen=Shin'ichirō Miki
|desc=Gary took part in a project where this {{p|Aerodactyl}} was resurrected in ''[[H015|Putting the Air Back in Aerodactyl!]]''. After he had saved it from being stolen by Butch and Cassidy, he left it for {{an|Crystal}} to take care of.

Aerodactyl's known moves are {{m|Whirlwind}}, {{m|Hyper Beam}} and {{m|Gust}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=no
|trainer=Gary
|pkmn=Shieldon
|type1=Rock
|type2=Steel
|img=Shieldon DP045.png
|epnum=DP045
|epname=Ill-Will Hunting!
|vajp=
|vaen=Jimmy Zoppi{{!}}Billy Beach
|desc=Gary helped Ash and co. in protecting these four {{pkmn2|wild}} {{p|Shieldon}} from being stolen by [[J]] and her henchmen in ''[[DP045|Ill-Will Hunting!]]''. None of their possible moves are known.}}

===Badges obtained===
[[Image:Gary's badges.png|right|frame|Gary's collection of Kanto badges.]]
During his journey, Gary collected badges to compete in the [[Indigo Plateau Conference]] and [[Silver Conference]]. He won ten badges in [[Kanto]], of which he already had five by the [[EP025|twenty-fifth episode]], and showed off the whole set in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]'' (though he failed to gain an eleventh badge in that episode when faced against {{an|Mewtwo}}). Of the eight badges that Ash won, Gary only has three: A Boulder Badge, a Cascade Badge, and a Rainbow Badge. The other seven are unknown, but aside from the Earth Badge, he didn't get a Thunder Badge, Marsh Badge, Soul Badge, or Volcano Badge.

Gary's achievements in [[Johto]] were not stated, other than that he had the minimum of eight badges to compete in the tournament.

===Voice actors===
{{vatable|color={{blue color light}}|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|ja=小林優子 ''[[Yūko Kobayashi]]''
|en=[[Jimmy Zoppi|Billy Beach]]
|pt_br=Rodrigo Andreatto (original voice) Marcelo Campos ([[H015]]) Eduardo Serandini ([[AG187]]) Thiago Barione ([[AG192]] onwards)
|pl=Marek Włodarczyk ([[EP001]]-[[EP273]]) Karol Wróblewski ([[DP045]], [[DP085]])
|es_la=Gerardo Del Valle ([[EP001]]-[[EP273]]) Víctor Ugarte ([[H015]]) Ricardo Bautista ([[AG187]], [[AG192]]) Benjamín Rivera ([[DP045]]) Noé Velásquez ([[DP085]])
|es_eu=Jesús Alberto Pinillos
|nl=Bram Bart ([[EP001]] - [[EP274]]) Tony Neef ([[AG146]] - present)
|he=אביהוד תדהר ''Avihud Tidhar'' דורון בן-עמי ''Doron Ben-Ami'' דניאל זילברשטיין ''Daniel Zilbershtein'' עמית יוסוביץ ''Amit Yosovich''
|da=Christian Damsgaard Mikkel Følsgaard
|fr_eu=Jean-Marc Delhausse
|fi=Pasi Ruohonen
|de=Nico Macoulis
|hu=Hamvas Dániel
|it=Paolo Sesana
|ko=이선주 ''Lee Seon-Ju''
|no=Erik Skøld
|pt_eu=Peter Michael Rui de Sá Nuno Pinto Unknown voice actor
|sv=Hans Jonsson
|fil=Charmaine Cordoviz
|ca=Ignasi Díaz Ferrando}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Gary.JPG|right|thumb|Gary Oak in the manga]]
Gary is one recurring characters in [[Electric Tale of Pikachu]] manga. In the manga, Gary is childhood friend and rival of Ash and frequently appears when Ash does something wrong. At the Pokémon League he is defeated by [[Ritchie]], but confronts Ash at the end of the series. His sister, [[Daisy Oak|May]], who is not present in the anime, also appears.

===Pokémon===
[[File:GaryPokémonElecTale.jpg|thumb|right|220px|Gary's Pokémon in the manga]]
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
| align=center | [[Image:059.png]] {{TP|Gary|Arcanine}}
| align=center | [[Image:112.png]] {{p|Rhydon}}
| align=center | [[Image:130.png]] {{p|Gyarados}}
|-
| align=center | [[Image:003.png]] {{p|Venusaur}}
| align=center | [[Image:018.png]] {{p|Pidgeot}}
| align=center | [[Image:079.png]] {{p|Slowpoke}} ({{pkmn2|giant}})
|}

==Trivia==
* His English name could have been derived from his Japanese name. It may also be referencing the [[wp:Quercus garryana|Garry oak]], a type of oak tree.
* Gary is one of the few characters to have his English dub voice remain unchanged throughout the series. From ''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]'' to this day, he has been voiced by [[Jimmy Zoppi]]. Zoppi is currently credited as '''Billy Beach''' under his Pokémon USA work.
* The only known losses Gary has had during the entire series were against Mewtwo (while under Giovanni's control), against {{Ka|Melissa}} at Indigo Plateau, and against Ash during the Silver Conference. In the [[Electric Tale of Pikachu|manga]], he is defeated by [[Ritchie]] at the Indigo League instead of Melissa.
* In the [[original series]], Gary's attire is similar to {{ga|Blue}}'s during [[Generation I]]. In his {{series2|Advanced Generation}} and {{series2|Diamond & Pearl}} appearances, Gary wears Blue's outfit from {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, making him the only non-main character to undergo a permanent change of clothing.
* Gary owns the final evolutionary forms of Pokémon owned by Ash and each of {{Ashfr|his friends}}, excluding {{an|Dawn}} (and {{an|Max}}, of course). These are: Blastoise ({{AP|Squirtle}} and {{TP|May|Wartortle}}), Kingdra ({{TP|Misty|Horsea}}), Golem ({{TP|Brock|Geodude}}) and Scizor ({{TP|Tracey|Scyther}}). Both Ash and Gary have also caught a {{AP|Krabby}}, but only Ash's is known to have evolved.
* Gary has been shown to have Pokémon from all generations except [[Generation III]].
* Gary is so far the only one of Ash's rivals to appear in a Pokémon movie, appearing '''very''' briefly in ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]''.
* Gary owns the final evolutionary forms of each of the special Pokémon that can appear on [[Route 201]] via the [[Dual-slot mode|dongle]] method, swarming, or the [[Poké Radar]] (Arcanine, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, and Dodrio).
* Gary is the focus of the internet meme "Gary MOTHERF****** Oak".

===Names===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
|Japanese
| オーキド・シゲル ''Ookido Shigeru''
| Derived from [[Shigeru Miyamoto]].
|-
|English
| Gary Oak
| Possibly taken from {{wp|Quercus garryana|Garry Oak}}, a type of oak tree. Also possibly derived from Shi'''geru'''.
|-
|French
| Régis Chen
|
|-
|German
|Gary Eich
|Direct Translation. Eiche means Oak.
|-
|Brazilian-Portuguese
|Gary Carvalho
|Carvalho means Oak; ''Carvalho'' is also an actual surname.
|-
|Korean
|오바람 ''O Baram''
|오 ''O'' is from the first syllable in "Ōkido", while his first name, Baram is Native Korean for wind.
|-
|Chinese
|小茂 ''Xiǎo Mao''
|茂 is from 茂る ''shigeru''.
|}

==External links==
*[http://www.stage-on.net/gary/ Victorious], the fanlisting for Gary
*[http://pokeani.com/chara/s-shigeru.html Shigeru's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)
*[http://pokeani.com/poke/s_p-shigeru.html Shigeru's Pokémon] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)
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[[fr:Régis]]
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Gary Oak

2010-01-10T18:46:56Z

Team Hyper: Er... I noticed on the Seaking article the "F**K YEAH SEAKING" thing, so why not? Am I allowed?

{{samename|the Generation I rival who is sometimes referred to as "Gary"|Blue (game)}}
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{{CharacterInfobox|
name=Gary Oak |
jname=オーキド・シゲル |
tmname=Shigeru Ōkido |
slogan=no |
image=[[image:GaryOak.png|245px]] |
caption=Gary Oak |
age=yes |
years=10 (as of [[EP001|debut]]) |
colors=yes|
eyes=Black|
hair=Brown|
gender=Male |
hometown=[[Pallet Town]] |
region=[[Kanto]] |
relatives=[[Professor Oak]] (grandfather), [[May Oak]] (sister, manga only) |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass={{Pkmn|Trainer}}, Researcher |
game=counterpart |
counterpart={{ga|Blue}}|
leader=no |
team=no |
brain=no |
anime=yes |
epnum=EP001 |
epname=Pokémon - I Choose You! |
enva=[[Jimmy Zoppi|Billy Beach]]|
java=[[Yūko Kobayashi]]
}}

'''Gary Oak''' (Japanese: '''オーキド・シゲル''' ''Shigeru Ōkido'') is the primary [[rival]] of [[Ash Ketchum]] and grandson of [[Professor Oak]]. His Japanese name is derived from [[Shigeru Miyamoto]].

==In the anime==
Gary has been a neighbor of [[Ash Ketchum]] since they were both young. At one time they seemed to be friends and went to see movies together as seen in ''[[AG086|Lights, Camerupt, Action!]]'' Before either of their journeys began, both Gary and Ash found an old [[Poké Ball]] while fishing. The two boys began fighting over who would get to keep the Poké Ball but ended up breaking it in half. Since then, they decided to keep the two separate pieces for themselves. It was revealed in ''[[EP269|The Ties That Bind]]'' that they still carried the pieces with them.

===In the original series===
[[Image:Gary1.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Gary as seen in the original series.]]
The day he started out on his Pokémon journey, he came off as an arrogant trainer, much like his {{pkmn|game}} counterpart, {{ga|Blue}}. His chosen [[starter Pokémon]] was {{TP|Gary|Squirtle|Blastoise}}, which was actually the same Pokémon that Ash originally wanted to start with. He even had a group of [[Gary's cheerleaders|cheerleaders]] who cheered him on in all his battles and would go so far as crying whenever he lost. And he didn't walk on his journeys like most trainers did. Instead he had his own sporty red convertible with his own chauffeur. Gary loved when he got a chance to make fun of Ash by bragging about how far behind Ash was compared to him. He also gave Ash the pet-name of "Ashy-boy" (Japanese: {{tt|"Satoshi''-kun''"|Satoshi is Ash's Japanese name and ''-kun'' is a Japanese honorific, kun can be considered insulting when not used among friends}}), which occasionally seems to annoy him. His style of training at this point was to capture many Pokémon and to use the strongest, as a stark contrast to Ash who focused on developing a bond with his Pokémon.

Soon he would eat his words when he would challenge the [[Viridian City]] [[Gym Leader]], [[Giovanni]] to a Pokémon battle for his final, but not necessary, badge in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]''. At first he seemed to be winning against Giovanni, knocking out most of his Pokémon. But then Giovanni sent out {{an|Mewtwo}} against the trainer and even let Gary use both his {{TP|Gary|Arcanine}} and {{p|Nidoking}} against it. Mewtwo made quick work of the two Pokémon and Gary experienced his first (known) loss. However this still didn't change his arrogance. It would take a loss at the [[Pokémon League]] way later on to finally realize that he needed to change himself.

Gary eventually returned in ''[[EP115|A Tent Situation]]''. Much unlike his former self, he congratulated Ash on his victory in the [[Orange Crew|Orange League]]. Soon Ash challenged him to a battle with his {{AP|Pikachu}} as his choice. Gary in turn used his {{TP|Gary|Eevee|Umbreon}}. Gary managed to defeat Ash and then left on his journey through [[Johto]].

In his few appearances during the Johto season, he seemed to have become the complete opposite of who he was. He became polite, intelligent, and respectful to others, including Ash. In ''[[EP270|Can't Beat the Heat!]]'' he battled Ash at the [[Silver Conference]]. Ash ended up winning the battle when his {{AP|Charizard}} defeated Gary's Blastoise.

In ''[[EP273|Gotta Catch Ya Later!]]'', Gary decided that he didn't want to be a Pokémon Trainer anymore, but instead wanted to be a [[Pokémon researcher]] like his grandfather.

===In the ''Advanced Generation'' series===
In ''[[H015|Putting the Air Back in Aerodactyl]]'', Gary works on [[Sayda Island]] with {{an|Crystal}}. There, he revived an {{p|Aerodactyl}} from an [[Old Amber]]. At first the Aerodactyl was afraid of him and every other person on the island, but Gary soon gained its trust after he fed it some fruit that Aerodactyl used to eat.

Eventually, he moves to the [[Sinnoh]] region where he is currently conducting his research.

In ''[[AG192|Home Is Where The Start Is]]'', Gary reunited with Ash and battled him with his new {{TP|Gary|Electivire}} and defeated Ash's Pikachu once more.

===In the ''Diamond & Pearl'' series===
[[File:Gary DP Pokémon.png|right|thumb|245px|Gary and two of his Pokémon]]
In ''[[DP045|Ill-Will Hunting!]]'' he was taking care of a group of {{p|Shieldon}} and protected them from the evil [[Pokémon Hunter]] [[J]] and [[J's henchmen|her minions]]. He appeared again in ''[[DP085|Fighting Fear With Fear!]]'' where he helped Ash and {{AP|Gligar|Gliscor}} by giving a {{DL|Evolution-inducing held item|Razor Fang}} to Ash which caused {{AP|Gligar}} to evolve later. He was in the area after hearing rumors of {{p|Azelf}}. Upon meeting him, {{an|Dawn}} thought that he was a poet like his [[Professor Oak|grandfather]].

Gary later appeared in [[DP151]] and [[DP152]], working alongside Professor Rowan at [[Valor Lakefront]] where he attempted to protect Azelf from [[J|Pokémon Hunter J]] and [[Team Galactic]], however he was unable to defeat [[Saturn]] in battle. He later monitored the changes around [[Mt. Coronet]] caused by [[Cyrus]]' attempts to summon {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}.

===Pokémon===
Since the very start of his own journey, Gary has shown exceptional skill as a Pokémon Trainer, catching and training an astonishing number and variety of strong Pokémon in a short period of time. However, since retiring as a Pokémon Trainer to become a researcher, it isn't known if he continues to catch new Pokémon.

This listing is for Gary's [[Pokémon]] as of [[DP152]].

====On hand====
{{trainerpkmn|note=h|main=yes|Gary|Blastoise|{{water color}}|Gary blastoise.jpg|{{p|Blastoise}} is the evolved form of Gary's [[starter Pokémon]], {{p|Squirtle}}. It was seen for the first time in a flashback in ''[[EP004|Challenge of the Samurai]]'' as a Squirtle. It evolved twice prior to ''[[EP269|The Ties That Bind]]'', where Gary used it against Ash during the [[Silver Conference]]. It beat [[Ash's Heracross]] and {{AP|Bayleef}} and also almost defeated [[Ash's Muk]] before Ash recalled it. Eventually, Blastoise was defeated by [[Ash's Charizard]]'s {{m|Seismic Toss}}.

Gary has kept Blastoise in his team even after the Silver Conference. In ''[[DP045|Ill-Will Hunting!]]'' he used it to battle against [[J|Pokémon Hunter J]] and her [[J's henchmen|henchmen]].}}
{{trainerpkmn|note=|main=yes|Gary|Umbreon|{{dark color}}|Gary's Umbreon.png|Gary's {{p|Umbreon}} was seen for the first time in ''[[EP116|The Rivalry Revival]]'' as an {{p|Eevee}}. Gary used it in his battle against [[Ash's Pikachu]] and won easily. It evolved somewhere before the episode ''[[EP171|Power Play!]]'', where Gary used it to defeat a trainer called [[Alex Davis]] and his {{p|Alakazam}} in a Pokémon battle.

Umbreon has also been seen during Gary's appearances at [[Sinnoh]]. For example, it was seen in ''[[DP085|Fighting Fear With Fear!]]'', where Gary used in a practice battle against [[Ash's Gliscor|Ash's Gligar]]. It also helped Gary to battle against J and [[Saturn]] of [[Team Galactic]] in [[DP151]].}}
{{trainerpkmn|note=f|main=yes|Gary|Electivire|{{electric color}}|Gary and Electivire.png|Gary's {{p|Electivire}} was seen for the first time in ''[[AG192|Home is Where the Start is]]''. Team Rocket tried to steal it, but they were sent blasting off by Electivire's {{m|ThunderPunch}}. It was later used in battle against Ash's Pikachu, where it won easily.

Gary has later been seen using Electivire in Sinnoh. In ''[[DP045|Ill-Will Hunting!]]'' he used it to battle against J in order to stop her from stealing the {{p|Shieldon}}. In DP151, Gary used Electivire to battle against [[Saturn's Toxicroak]], but the Thunderbolt Pokémon was defeated by {{p|Toxicroak}}'s powerful {{m|Poison Jab}}.}}

====In storage====
{{trainerpkmn|note=h|main=yes|Gary|Arcanine|{{fire color}}|Gary and Arcanine.jpg|Gary used his {{p|Arcanine}} for the first time in his [[Gym]] battle against [[Giovanni]]. Even thought Arcanine managed to defeat Giovanni's {{p|Kingler}}, it was helpless against the {{t|Psychic}} powers of {{an|Mewtwo}}.

Later Gary used Arcanine in [[Extreme Pokémon Race]] in the episode ''[[EP228|Extreme Pokémon!]]''. When [[Team Rocket]] tried to steal Mrs. and [[Mr. Shellby]]'s [[Pokémon egg]]s, Gary used Arcanine's {{m|Flame Wheel}} to send them blasting off. After this the race continued, and finally Ash, using his {{p|Bayleef}}, proved victorious.

Gary later used Arcanine in the Silver Conference. He sent it against [[Ash's Snorlax]], but Snorlax manages to defeat Arcanine with a {{m|Hyper Beam}}.}}
{{trainerpkmn|note=|main=no|Gary|Nidoking|{{poison color}}|Gary's Nidoking.png|Gary first used his {{p|Nidoking}} during his Gym battle against Giovanni. Despite winning Giovanni's {{p|Golem}}, he lost to the Psychic powers of {{p|Mewtwo}}.

Gary also used his Nidoking at the [[Pokémon League]]. He battled against [[Melissa]]'s Golem, but got defeated. The loss meant that Gary was out of the tournament.

Nidoking's known moves are {{m|Tackle}} and {{m|Horn Attack}}.}}
{{trainerpkmn|note=|main=|Gary|Nidoqueen|{{poison color}}|NidoqueenMegaPunch.PNG|Gary's {{p|Nidoqueen}} was seen for the first time in ''[[EP115|A Tent Situation]]'', where Gary used her to defeat Team Rocket that had attacked [[Professor Oak's Laboratory]]. She was seen again in the Silver Conference, where she defeated [[Ash's Tauros]], but was finally taken out by Ash's {{p|Snorlax}}'s {{m|Ice Punch}}.

Nidoqueen's known used moves are {{m|Mega Punch}}, {{m|Strength}}, {{m|Rock Smash}}, {{m|Hyper Beam}} and {{m|Double Kick}}.}}
{{trainerpkmn|note=|main=|Gary|Dodrio|{{flying color}}|Gary's Dodrio.jpg|Gary's {{p|Dodrio}} was for the first time briefly seen as a {{p|Doduo}} in ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]''. It later appeared as a fully-evolved Pokémon in ''[[H015|Putting the Air Back in Aerodactyl!]]'', where Gary used it to stop [[Butch]] and [[Cassidy]] from stealing an {{p|Aerodactyl}}.

Dodrio's only known move is {{m|Drill Peck}}.}}
{{trainerpkmn|note=|main=|Gary|Krabby|{{water color}}|Big krabby.png|Gary's {{p|Krabby}} was seen for the first time in ''[[EP013|Mystery at the Lighthouse]]'' after Ash had captured [[Ash's Kingler|his own Krabby]] and he called for [[Professor Oak|prof. Oak]] to see that it was okay as it had been teleported to his laboratory right after the capture. Oak then also showed Ash Gary's Krabby, which was way [[Giant Pokémon|bigger]] than Ash's one.

Gary's Krabby was briefly seen again in ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]'', where Gary compared its size to Ash's Krabby's size.

None of Krabby's possible moves are known.}}
{{trainerpkmn|note=|main=|Gary|Magmar|{{fire color}}|Magmarg2.jpg|Gary used his {{p|Magmar}} during his Silver Conference battle against Ash, sending it to battle against Ash's {{p|Heracross}}. Despite having a type disadvantage, the Single Horn Pokémon managed to beat the Spitfire Pokémon with its powerful {{m|Megahorn}}.

Magmar's known moves are {{m|Flamethrower}} and {{m|Fire Blast}}.}}
{{trainerpkmn|note=|main=|Gary|Golem|{{rock color}}|Golem1.jpg|During his battle against Ash in the Silver Conference, Gary used his {{p|Golem}} to battle against Ash's {{p|Charizard}}. Despite being too heavy for Charizard's Seismic Toss, the Megaton Pokémon was finally knocked out by Charizard's {{m|Dragon Rage}}.

Golem's known moves are {{m|Magnitude}} and {{m|Rollout}}.}}
{{trainerpkmn|note=|main=|Gary|Scizor|{{steel color}}|Scizor1.jpg|Gary used his {{p|Scizor}} during his Silver Conference battle against Ash. It easily defeated Ash's Snorlax and {{p|Muk}}, but was finally knocked out by Charizard's powerful {{m|Flamethrower}}.

Scizor's known moves are {{m|Quick Attack}}, {{m|Metal Claw}}, {{m|Swift}} and {{m|Steel Wing}}.}}
{{trainerpkmn|note=f|main=|Gary|Unseen Silver Conference Pokémon|{{psychic color}}|Garyspokmon2.jpg|Before his battle against Gary in ''[[EP269|The Ties That Bind]]'', Ash was seen checking Gary's website, where Gary's Pokémon were listed with pictures. Among them, there were several Pokémon that Gary hasn't been seen using. The listed but yet unseen Pokémon were {{p|Alakazam}}, {{p|Houndoom}}, {{p|Kingdra}}, {{p|Skarmory}}, {{p|Pinsir}} and {{p|Fearow}}.}}

As of ''[[EP065|Showdown at the Po-ké Corral]]'', Gary has more than 200 Pokémon in his collection including more than one of the same species.

====Temporary====
{{trainerpkmn|note=h|main=no|Hagatha|Hoothoot|{{flying color}}|Gary's Hoothoot.png|Gary rented this {{p|Hoothoot}} from [[Hagatha]] in episode ''[[EP121|Illusion Confusion!]]'', when he was traveling through a forest full of illusion-creating {{t|Ghost}} Pokémon. Its only known move is {{m|Foresight}}.}}
{{trainerpkmn|note=|main=no|Gary|Aerodactyl|{{rock color}}|Gary's lab island wild Aerodactyl.png|Gary took part in a project where this {{p|Aerodactyl}} was resurrected in ''[[H015|Putting the Air Back in Aerodactyl!]]''. After he had saved it from being stolen by Butch and Cassidy, he left it for {{an|Crystal}} to take care of.

Aerodactyl's known moves are {{m|Gust}}, {{m|Whirlwind}} and {{m|Hyper Beam}}.}}
{{trainerpkmn|note=f|main=no|Gary|Shieldon|{{steel color}}|Shieldon DP045.png|Gary helped Ash and co. in protecting these four [[Wild Pokémon|wild]] {{p|Shieldon}} from being stolen by [[J]] and her henchmen in ''[[DP045|Ill-Will Hunting!]]''. None of their possible moves are known.}}

===Badges obtained===
[[Image:Gary's badges.png|right|frame|Gary's collection of Kanto badges.]]
During his journey, Gary collected badges to compete in the [[Indigo Plateau Conference]] and [[Silver Conference]]. He won ten badges in [[Kanto]], of which he already had five by the [[EP025|twenty-fifth episode]], and showed off the whole set in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]'' (though he failed to gain an eleventh badge in that episode when faced against {{an|Mewtwo}}). Of the eight badges that Ash won, Gary only has three: A Boulder Badge, a Cascade Badge, and a Rainbow Badge. The other seven are unknown, but aside from the Earth Badge, he didn't get a Thunder Badge, Marsh Badge, Soul Badge, or Volcano Badge.

Gary's achievements in [[Johto]] were not stated, other than that he had the minimum of eight badges to compete in the tournament.

===Voice actors===
{{vatable|color={{blue color light}}|bordercolor={{blue color dark}}
|ja=小林優子 ''[[Yūko Kobayashi]]''
|en=[[Jimmy Zoppi|Billy Beach]]
|pt_br=Rodrigo Andreatto (original voice) Marcelo Campos ([[H015]]) Eduardo Serandini ([[AG187]]) Thiago Barione ([[AG192]] onwards)
|pl=Marek Włodarczyk ([[EP001]]-[[EP273]]) Karol Wróblewski ([[DP045]], [[DP085]])
|es_la=Gerardo Del Valle ([[EP001]]-[[EP273]]) Víctor Ugarte ([[H015]]) Ricardo Bautista ([[AG187]], [[AG192]]) Benjamín Rivera ([[DP045]]) Noé Velásquez ([[DP085]])
|es_eu=Jesús Alberto Pinillos
|nl=Bram Bart ([[EP001]] - [[EP274]]) Tony Neef ([[AG146]] - present)
|he=אביהוד תדהר ''Avihud Tidhar'' דורון בן-עמי ''Doron Ben-Ami'' דניאל זילברשטיין ''Daniel Zilbershtein'' עמית יוסוביץ ''Amit Yosovich''
|da=Christian Damsgaard Mikkel Følsgaard
|fr_eu=Jean-Marc Delhausse
|fi=Pasi Ruohonen
|de=Nico Macoulis
|hu=Hamvas Dániel
|it=Paolo Sesana
|ko=이선주 ''Lee Seon-Ju''
|no=Erik Skøld
|pt_eu=Peter Michael Rui de Sá Nuno Pinto Unknown voice actor
|sv=Hans Jonsson
|fil=Charmaine Cordoviz
|ca=Ignasi Díaz Ferrando}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Gary.JPG|right|thumb|Gary Oak in the manga]]
Gary is one recurring characters in [[Electric Tale of Pikachu]] manga. In the manga, Gary is childhood friend and rival of Ash and frequently appears when Ash does something wrong. At the Pokémon League he is defeated by [[Ritchie]], but confronts Ash at the end of the series. His sister, [[Daisy Oak|May]], who is not present in the anime, also appears.

===Pokémon===
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=400px cellspacing="0"
| align=center | [[Image:059.png]] {{TP|Gary|Arcanine}}
| align=center | [[Image:112.png]] {{p|Rhydon}}
| align=center | [[Image:130.png]] {{p|Gyarados}}
| align=center | [[Image:003.png]] {{p|Venusaur}}
|}
[[File:GaryPokémonElecTale.jpg|thumb|right|220px|Gary´s Pokémon in the manga]]

====Traded away====
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=100px cellspacing="0"
| align=center | [[Image:079.png]] {{p|Slowpoke}} ({{pkmn2|giant}})
|}

* '''Giant Slowpoke''': Given by Ash.

==Trivia==
* His English name could have been derived from his Japanese name. It may also be referencing the [[wp:Quercus garryana|Garry oak]], a type of oak tree.
* Gary is one of the few characters to have his English dub voice remain unchanged throughout the series. From ''[[EP001|Pokémon - I Choose You!]]'' to this day, he has been voiced by [[Jimmy Zoppi]]. Zoppi is currently credited as '''Billy Beach''' under his Pokémon USA work.
* The only known losses Gary has had during the entire series were against Mewtwo (while under Giovanni's control), against {{Ka|Melissa}} at Indigo Plateau, and against Ash during the Silver Conference. In the [[Electric Tale of Pikachu|manga]], he is defeated by [[Ritchie]] at the Indigo League instead of Melissa.
* In the [[original series]], Gary's attire is similar to {{ga|Blue}}'s during [[Generation I]]. In his {{series2|Advanced Generation}} and {{series2|Diamond & Pearl}} appearances, Gary wears Blue's outfit from {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, making him the only non-main character to undergo a permanent change of clothing.
* Gary owns the final evolutionary forms of Pokémon owned by Ash and each of {{Ashfr|his friends}}, excluding {{an|Dawn}} (and {{an|Max}}, of course). These are: Blastoise ({{AP|Squirtle}} and {{TP|May|Wartortle}}), Kingdra ({{TP|Misty|Horsea}}), Golem ({{TP|Brock|Geodude}}) and Scizor ({{TP|Tracey|Scyther}}). Both Ash and Gary have also caught a {{AP|Krabby}}, but only Ash's is known to have evolved.
* Gary has been shown to have Pokémon from all generations except [[Generation III]].
* Gary is so far the only one of Ash's rivals to appear in a Pokémon movie, appearing '''very''' briefly in ''[[Mewtwo Strikes Back]]''.
* Gary owns the final evolutionary forms of each of the special Pokémon that can appear on [[Route 201]] via the [[Dual-slot mode|dongle]] method, swarming, or the [[Poké Radar]] (Arcanine, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, and Dodrio).
* Gary is the focus of the internet meme "Gary MOTHERF****** Oak".

===Names===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
|Japanese
| オーキド・シゲル ''Ookido Shigeru''
| Derived from [[Shigeru Miyamoto]].
|-
|English
| Gary Oak
| Possibly taken from {{wp|Quercus garryana|Garry Oak}}, a type of oak tree. Also possibly derived from Shi'''geru'''.
|-
|French
| Régis Chen
|
|-
|German
|Gary Eich
|Direct Translation. Eiche means Oak.
|-
|Brazilian-Portuguese
|Gary Carvalho
|Carvalho means Oak; ''Carvalho'' is also an actual surname.
|-
|Korean
|오바람 ''O Baram''
|오 ''O'' is from the first syllable in "Ōkido", while his first name, Baram is Native Korean for wind.
|-
|Chinese
|小茂 ''Xiǎo Mao''
|茂 is from 茂る ''shigeru''.
|}

==External links==
*[http://www.stage-on.net/gary/ Victorious], the fanlisting for Gary
*[http://pokeani.com/chara/s-shigeru.html Shigeru's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)
*[http://pokeani.com/poke/s_p-shigeru.html Shigeru's Pokémon] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)

{| align="center" border="0" cellspacing="3"
|-
| {{Gary's Pokémon}}
|-
| {{Leaguetrainers}}
|-
| {{Animecharacters}}
|-
| {{Electric Tale of Pikachu characters}}
|}

{{Project Anime notice|no}}
[[Category:Anime characters|Oak, Gary]]
[[Category:Electric Tale of Pikachu characters|Oak, Gary]]
[[Category:Characters named after real people|Oak, Gary]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

[[de:Gary Eich]]
[[fr:Régis]]
[[ja:シゲル]]
[[pt:Gary Carvalho]]

Guildmaster Wigglytuff

2009-12-16T16:39:36Z

Team Hyper: Added moves

{{AnimePokémonInfobox |
type1=Normal |
nickname=Wigglytuff |
jnickname=プクリン |
tmnickname=Pukurin |
image=[[Image:Wigglytuff.jpg|220px]] |
caption=Wigglytuff and Chatot |
gender=Male{{tt|*|confirmed in the games only}} |
pokemonname=Wigglytuff|
evolution=2 |
firstevoep=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time & Darkness |
firstevoname=''Prior to'' Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time & Darkness |
secondevoep=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time & Darkness |
secondevoname=''Prior to'' Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time & Darkness |
numeps1=unknown number of |
numeps2=unknown number of |
firststagename=Igglybuff |
secondstagename=Jigglypuff |
prevonum=174 |
evo1num=039 |
evo2num=040 |
epnum=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time & Darkness |
epname=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time & Darkness |
current=At [[Wigglytuff Guild]] |
enva3=[[Sarah Natochenny]] |
java1=Not heard |
java2=Not heard |
java3=Yū Kobayashi |
}}

'''Wigglytuff''' is a [[non-player character]] in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2]]. He is the Guild Master of the [[Wigglytuff Guild]] and also a former member of the legendary Master Rank rescue team Team Charm. His assistant is {{OBP|Chatot|Mystery Dungeon 2 character}}.

He acts very easy going and somewhat naive but has an explosive temper, which the entire Guild knows and fears, leading [[Team Skull]] to severely underestimate him. Despite his childish behavior, Wigglytuff is an accomplished explorer and helps the team discover the mystery behind the [[Relic Fragment]] and the [[Hidden Land]], he is also extremely powerful, proving able to withstand Team Skull's 'Noxious Gas Combo', which easily knocked out the player's team, and then easily defeated Team Skull single handed. He also became rather serious when the Guild was asked to help capture Grovyle. After the credits roll, he also appears under the guise of "the grand master of all things bad", a "foe" who the player must overcome, along with his "minions" (the rest of the Guild members except {{p|Bidoof}}), to claim the treasure in [[Luminous Spring]] in order to graduate from the Guild.

Wigglytuff has an obsession with {{DL|Food and Gummis|Perfect Apple}}s, and is known {{m|Hyper Voice|for crying out loud}} if he doesn't have one, something everyone in the Guild fears, Chatot in particular. This obsession showed when he planted one at Luminous Spring as the 'treasure' for the player's graduation exam, which the player comments fits Wigglytuff pretty well. He is also long time friends with Chatot; they explored [[Brine Cave]] several years before and Chatot took an attack from {{p|Kabutops}} and the {{p|Omastar}} Brothers to protect him.

In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky]], there is an extra episode that details the reasons as to why Wigglytuff, who at the time is a Igglybuff, becomes a explorer. Igglybuff has three childhood friends; {{p|Smoochum}}, {{p|Wooper}}, and {{p|Budew}}. In this episode, it is revealed that the outlaw Armaldo (who Igglybuff affectionately refers to as "Master," and Wigglytuff still does) taught Igglybuff all about exploring, and gave him his Defend Globe which Wigglytuff treasures to this day.

==Moves Used==
{{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=040
|pokemon=Wigglytuff
|type1=Normal
|ability=Cute Charm
|gender=male
|level=50
|move1=Sing|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Disable|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Doubleslap|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Defence Curl|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status
}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Wigglytuff chatot pmd.png|Wigglytuff and Chatot|thumb|left]]
Wigglytuff appeared in ''[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Darkness]]'' as the Guild Master of Wigglytuff Guild. He is voiced by ''Yū Kobayashi'' in Japanese and [[Sarah Natochenny]] in English.

He assigned [[Team Poképals]] to get a {{p|Gabite}} scale for {{p|Shinx}}'s sick sister.

He appeared again in ''{{an|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky}}'' with the other guild members.

==Related articles==
{{Animespecies|Wigglytuff}}
 
{{Dungeon 2 characters}}
 
{{Stub|Character}}
{{-}}
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Pokémon characters]]

Chuck

2009-10-16T15:44:17Z

Team Hyper: Chortling and Chucking at Norris.

{{CharacterInfobox|
name=Chuck |
jname=シジマ |
tmname=Shijima |
slogan=yes |
sloganline="His roaring fists do the talking" |
image=[[File:Chuck HGSS.png|200px]] |
caption=Art from HeartGold and SoulSilver |
gender=Male |
colors=yes |
eyes=Black|
hair=Brown |
hometown=[[Cianwood City]] |
region=[[Johto]] |
relatives=[[Chuck's wife|Wife]] |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Gym Leader]] |
numpkmncaught=Varies with canon |
game=yes |
generation={{Gen|II}}, {{Gen|IV}} |
games={{game3|Gold and Silver|Gold, Silver|s}}, {{v2|Crystal}}, {{pkmn|Stadium 2}}, {{game3|HeartGold and SoulSilver|HeartGold, SoulSilver|s}} |
leader=yes |
gym=Cianwood Gym |
type={{t|Fighting}} |
badge=Storm Badge |
elite=no |
team=no |
brain=no |
anime=yes |
epnum=EP209 |
epname=Machoke, Machoke Man! |
enva=[[Dan Green]] |
java=Nobuaki Kakuda |
}}

'''Chuck''' (Japanese: '''シジマ''' ''Shijima'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Cianwood City]]'s {{pkmn|Gym}}, officially known as the [[Cianwood Gym]]. His specialty is {{type2|Fighting}} [[Pokémon]]. Chuck gives out the {{badge|Storm}} to {{pkmn|Trainer}}s who beat him.

==In the games==
Chuck appears in Generations II and IV, in {{game3|Gold and Silver|Pokémon Gold, Silver|s}}, {{v2|Crystal}}, {{v2|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}. A {{type2|Fighting}} Trainer, he is known to spar with his Pokémon to train both them and himself. His title is "His Roaring Fists Do the Talking".

In [[Generation II]], once challengers have made their way through his gym, Chuck will attempt to intimidate them before battle by telling how his Pokémon "will crush stones and shatter bones." He then lifts and tosses a boulder prior to accepting the challenge.

In [[Generation IV]], Chuck awaits his challengers underneath a large waterfall. He will not notice the player approach him until the water under which he has been meditating stops flowing.
And to be able to rebattle him, The Player will get his call register to player's [[PokéGear]] from his wife whom stands outside of the gym. Then, on Wednesday Night, he can be called to arrange a rematch

Chuck enjoys a good battle, but after losing he vows to train 24 hours a day. After he is defeated, his wife will give the player {{HM|02|Fly}}. She also comments that she is grateful that her husband would be doing more training, since he was getting "a little chubby".

In addition to the Storm Badge, Chuck gives out [[TM01]] ({{m|DynamicPunch}} in Generation II; {{m|Focus Punch}} in Generation IV).

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Chuck's Pokémon in the video games he has appeared in.

===={{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}====
{{Party
|color={{fighting color}}
|headcolor={{fighting color light}}
|bordercolor={{fighting color dark}}
|sprite=SpriteChuck.gif
|prize={{Pdollar}}3000
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Chuck
|game={{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}
|location=[[Cianwood Gym]]
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|game=Gold
|ndex=057
|pokemon=Primeape
|gender=male
|level=27
|type1=Fighting
|move1=Leer
|move1type=Normal
|move2=Rage
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Karate Chop
|move3type=Fighting
|move4=Fury Swipes
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|game=Gold
|ndex=062
|pokemon=Poliwrath
|gender=male
|level=30
|type1=Water
|type2=Fighting
|move1=Hypnosis
|move1type=Psychic
|move2=Mind Reader
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Surf
|move3type=Water
|move4=DynamicPunch
|move4type=Fighting}}
}}

===={{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}====
=====First battle=====

{{Party
|color={{fighting color}}
|bordercolor={{fighting color dark}}
|headcolor={{fighting color light}}
|sprite=ChuckHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3720
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Chuck
|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}
|location=[[Cianwood Gym]]
|pokemon=2

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=057
|pokemon=Primeape
|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|gender=male
|type1=Fighting
|ability=Vital Spirit
|move1=Rock Slide
|move1type=Rock
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Double Team
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Focus Punch
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leer
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
|level=29
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=062
|pokemon=Poliwrath
|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Water Absorb
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Surf
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Hypnosis
|move2type=Psychic
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Body Slam
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Focus Punch
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
|level=31}}
}}

=====Second battle (rematch)=====

{{Party
|color={{fighting color}}
|bordercolor={{fighting color dark}}
|headcolor={{fighting color light}}
|sprite=ChuckHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}7200
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=[[Chuck]]
|game={{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}
|location=[[Fighting Dojo]]
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=308
|pokemon=Medicham
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|held=Sitrus Berry
|type1=Fighting
|type2=Psychic
|ability=Pure Power
|level=54
|move1=Psycho Cut|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Hi Jump Kick|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Attract|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Thunderpunch|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=107
|pokemon=Hitmonchan
|game=HeartGold
|gender=male
|type1=Fighting
|ability=Iron Fist
|level=52
|move1=Mach Punch|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Double Team|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status
|move3=Swagger|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Focus Punch|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=106
|pokemon=Hitmonlee
|game=HeartGold
|gender=male
|type1=Fighting
|ability=Reckless
|level=55
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Bulk Up|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Status
|move3=Blaze Kick|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Hi Jump Kick|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical

}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=286
|pokemon=Breloom
|game=Platinum
|type1=Grass
|gender=male
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Poison Heal
|level=54
|held=Toxic Orb
|move1=Subsitute|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Stone Edge|move2type=Rock|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Focus Punch|move3type=Fighting|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Drain Punch|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=057
|pokemon=Primeape
|game=HeartGold
|type1=Fighting
|gender=male
|ability=Anger Point
|level=56
|move1=Swagger|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=ThunderPunch|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=4
|ndex=062
|pokemon=Poliwrath
|game=HeartGold
|type1=Water
|type2=Fighting
|gender=male
|ability=Water Absorb
|held=Sitrus Berry
|level=60
|move1=Subsitute|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Waterfall|move2type=Water|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Double Team|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Focus Punch|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical}}
}}

====Pokémon Stadium 2====
=====Round 1=====
{{Party
|color={{fighting color}}
|bordercolor={{fighting color dark}}
|headcolor={{fighting color light}}
|sprite=S2_Leader_Chuck.png
|prize=[[Pokémon Dollar|N/A]]
|class=[[Leader]]
|name=Chuck
|game=Round 1
|location=[[Cianwood Gym]]
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=062
|pokemon=Poliwrath
|held=Bright Powder
|level=50
|type1=Water
|type2=Fighting
|move1=DynamicPunch
|move1type=Fighting
|move2=Hydro Pump
|move2type=Water
|move3=Psychic
|move3type=Psychic
|move4=Earthquake
|move4type=Ground}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=028
|pokemon=Sandslash
|held=Mint Berry
|level=50
|type1=Ground
|move1=DynamicPunch
|move1type=Fighting
|move2=Slash
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Dig
|move3type=Ground
|move4=Rollout
|move4type=Rock}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=057
|pokemon=Primeape
|held=Bitter Berry
|level=50
|type1=Fighting
|move1=DynamicPunch
|move1type=Fighting
|move2=Headbutt
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Seismic Toss
|move3type=Fighting
|move4=Dig
|move4type=Ground}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=067
|pokemon=Machoke
|held=Ice Berry
|level=50
|type1=Fighting
|move1=DynamicPunch
|move1type=Fighting
|move2=Vital Throw
|move2type=Fighting
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move4=Seismic Toss
|move4type=Fighting}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=107
|pokemon=Hitmonchan
|held=PSNCureBerry
|gender=male
|level=50
|type1=Fighting
|move1=DynamicPunch
|move1type=Fighting
|move2=Mach Punch
|move2type=Fighting
|move3=Mega Punch
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Comet Punch
|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=2
|ndex=210
|pokemon=Granbull
|held=PRZCureBerry
|gender=male
|level=50
|type1=Normal
|move1=DynamicPunch
|move1type=Fighting
|move2=Roar
|move2type=Normal
|move3=Strength
|move3type=Normal
|move4=Shadow Ball
|move4type=Ghost}}
}}

=====Round 2=====
{{Party
|color={{fighting color}}
|bordercolor={{fighting color dark}}
|headcolor={{fighting color light}}
|sprite=S2_Leader_Chuck.png
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|game=Round 2
|location=[[Cianwood Gym]]
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|move4=Sleep Talk
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===Quotes===
{| align=right border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align=center
| [[Image:SpriteChuck.gif]]
| [[Image:ChuckHGSS.gif]]
| [[Image:VSChuck.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Chuck's sprite from [[Generation II]]
| Chuck's sprite from [[Generation IV]]
| Chuck's VS sprite from [[Generation IV]]
|}
''"Wahahah! So you've come this far! Let me tell you, I'm tough! My Pokémon will crush stones and shatter bones! Watch this! Urggh! Oooarrgh! There! Scared now, are you? What? It has nothing to do with Pokémon? That's true! Come on. We shall do battle!"''

''"Wha? Huh? I lost? How about that! You're worthy of Storm Badge!"''

==In the anime==
[[Image:Chuck_Anime.jpg|thumb|right|230px|Chuck in the anime]]
Chuck made his only {{pkmn|anime}} appearance in ''[[EP209|Machoke, Machoke Man!]]''. {{Ash}} and {{Ashfr|his friends}} met a man roughhousing with a {{TP|Chuck|Machoke}}. After following him, Ash discovered that the man was Chuck, [[Gym Leader]] of the [[Cianwood Gym]]. Even though he is the Fighting master, he gets tired easily as he is a little fat. His {{TP|Chuck|wife}} continually makes fun of him because of this. He is positive-minded and emotional and has a tendency to break out into tears if happy. His battle technique is to battle with his Pokémon to improve their concentration.

Later Chuck and Ash had their battle for a Storm Badge. Ash used {{AP|Pikachu}} who got defeated by Chuck's {{p|Poliwrath}}. Ash then used {{AP|Bayleef}} who defeated Poliwrath and Machoke.

It was later revealed that [[Brawly]], the [[Dewford Town]] Gym Leader, used to be one of the many students of Chuck.

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Chuck's known Pokémon in the {{pkmn|anime}}:
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=200px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:062.png]] {{p|Poliwrath}}
| align=center | [[Image:067.png]] {{TP|Chuck|Machoke}}
|}

===Voice actors===
{{vatable|color={{fighting color}}|bordercolor={{fighting color light}}
|ja=角田信朗 ''Nobuaki Kakuda''
|en=[[Dan Green]]
|pl=Jan Kulczycki}}

==In the Pokémon Special manga==
[[File:Chuck and Whitney.png|thumb|250px|Chuck and his Hitmontop (left) with Whitney and her Miltank (bottom)]]
Chuck taught {{Special|Green}} martial arts and how to train Pokémon when the boy was very young. He met {{p|Suicune}}, and with help from a friend, attempted to catch it, but to no avail.

===Pokémon===
This listing is of Chuck's Pokémon in the Pokémon Special manga.

{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=200px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:062.png]] {{p|Poliwrath}}
| align=center | [[Image:057.png]] {{p|Primeape}}
| align=center | [[Image:106.png]] {{p|Hitmonlee}}
| align=center | [[Image:067.png]] {{p|Machoke}}
| align=center | [[Image:237.png]] {{p|Hitmontop}}
|}

==In the TCG==
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring Chuck or his Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{tcg fighting color}};"
!Name
!Type
!Level
!Rarity
!Set
!Set no.
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Chuck's Primeape|33}} || {{e|Fighting}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 33/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Chuck's Poliwrath|34}} || {{e|Fighting}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 34/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Chuck's Rhydon|35}} || {{e|Fighting}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 35/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Chuck's Tauros|36}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 36/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Chuck's Granbull|37}} || {{e|Colorless}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 37/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Chuck's Donphan|38}} || {{e|Fighting}} || - || {{rar|Common}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 38/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Chuck's TM 01|113}} || - || - || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 111/141
|-
| {{TCG ID|VS|Chuck's TM 02|114}} || - || - || {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} (no English release) || 112/141
|}

==Trivia==
* His Japanese Leader title is {{tt|唸る拳で語る男|Roaring, Fist-Talking Man}}.
* Chuck, alongside Falkner and Bugsy, are the only three Gym Leaders of Johto to be featured in only one episode. However, out of all the Gym Leaders, Chuck has had the largest number of flashback appearances (3).
* To date, Chuck is the last Gym Leader to only appear in one episode of the anime.
* In the games (discounting Stadium 2), Chuck is the only important Fighting-type Trainer (Gym Leaders and Elite Four) to not use a member of the {{p|Machop}} evolution family.
* It may just be a coincidence, but Chuck may be based on Hollywood actor Chuck Norris.

===Names===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
|Japanese
| シジマ (''Shijima'')
| ハオルチア・シジマ ''Haoruchia-Shijima'', Haworthia 'Shijima'. Shijima means "Silence" and "Four islands".
|-
| English, French
| Chuck
| Slang for throw. Could possibly be a reference to Chuck Norris.
|-
| German
| Hartwig
| From ''Hart'', hard.
|-
| Italian
| Furio
| From ''furioso'', furious.
|-
| Spanish
| Aníbal
| From {{wp|Hannibal}}.
|-
| Korean
| 사도 ''Sado''
| From 四島 ''Shijima'', an alternate way of writing the name. It's also similar to 싸우다, fight.
|-
| Chinese
| 阿四 ''Ā Sì''
| 四 is from 四島 ''Shijima'', an alternate way of writing the name.
|}

==External links==
*[http://pokeani.com/chara/gym-shijima.html Shijima's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)
{{Chuck's Pokémon}} 
{{Gym Leaders of Johto}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Anime characters]]
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Manga characters]]
[[Category:Pokémon Special characters]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal characters]]
[[Category:Stadium 2 characters]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver characters]]
[[Category:Fighting-type trainers]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

[[de:Hartwig]]
[[fr:Chuck]]
[[ja:シジマ]]

Talk:Chuck

2009-10-16T15:42:48Z

Team Hyper: Chuckling at Norris.

''He bears an interesting resemblence to the hollywood star and martial artist, Chuck Norris.
'' Someone want to explain that to me? I'm not seeing any resemblance at *all*. --BJG

I actually thought this was obvious...But it seems I did the wrong thing, yet AGAIN. I should've discussed it first, but I thought that the resemblence between Chuck, a martial artist and Chuck Norris was quite easily apparent. Both martial artists and the programmers probably thought of him first.
I'll write in a way easier to understand. -ades

It's probable for the name, but 'resemblance' implies mostly physical, and they don't look *anything* alike.--BJG

== Chuck's Wife ==

Is the picture of his wife necessary in the article? [[Image:Ani254MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|J]][[User talk:Jmath|Talk]][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 09:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
:No. Considering how low quality is. I'm removing (and deleting it). -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 19:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== Manga ==

The manga section annoys me. Can anyone expand it? I can't do it because I don't have any volumes with him, sadly. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:18, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
:But really, there isn't much about him in the manga.--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 23:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

== Chuck!(Norris?) ==

That seems to be just idle speculation, or A Chuck Norris obsessor finding a way to mention him[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|Emperor's Cookies]] 12:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

== Chucking On The Norris Idea ==
Alright, isn't a BIT of a coincidence that he's called CHUCK and leads the gym for FIGHTING type Pokémon? He also has facial hair! I'm adding in the trivia section ''It may just be a coincidence, but Chuck may be based on Hollywood actor Chuck Norris.'' and nobody's gonna stop me! [[User:Team Hyper|Team Hyper]]

User:Team Hyper

2009-08-20T15:30:11Z

Team Hyper:

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| style="background: #f05030; color: fffff;" | <big>'''MAH BOI''', this user knows what all true warriors '''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnjahYe85Co strive for]'''.</big>
|}

Hi! Some of you may have heard of me, as most of my accounts have "Hyper" in them. I'm a "friendly hacker", as I spend my hacking stuffs helping to fix errors. I like trying out glitches in games, and if there's a question about any glitch you may be stuck in I might be able to help you out.
Please don't ask me to give you cheat codes. I don't like that.
Anyways, I've been playing Pokemon games since late 2007, (Yeah, I'm new) but I'm really into the series, and I'm a champion at Mystery Dungeon games.
If you want to battle my L33T team,(shown below) ask and I'll sort something out.

==Mah Team==
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==First Pokémon Game EVER Played==
[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team]]

==Trivia==
*It should be noted that the Team Hyper Wigglytuff is nicknamed "Master". It is the only Pokémon belonging to Team Hyper to have a nickname.
*Another thing about the "Master" is that it knows moves from a Jigglypuff moveset. It would originally have basic Wigglytuff moves, but the Jigglypuff itself evolved at Level 100.
*The main Team Hyper Pokémon are practically the same, however, they are not traded to new games, meaning there is a seperate Team Hyper for each game.
*Munchlax has a hacked moveset in [[Platinum]]. It knows [[Rock Smash]], [[Surf]], [[Stockpile]] and
[[Last Resort]].

User:Team Hyper

2009-08-20T15:28:22Z

Team Hyper:

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| style="background: #f05030; color: fffff;" | <big>'''MAH BOI''', this user knows what all true warriors '''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnjahYe85Co strive for]'''.</big>
|}

Hi! Some of you may have heard of me, as most of my accounts have "Hyper" in them. I'm a "friendly hacker", as I spend my hacking stuffs helping to fix errors. I like trying out glitches in games, and if there's a question about any glitch you may be stuck in I might be able to help you out.
Please don't ask me to give you cheat codes. I don't like that.
Anyways, I've been playing Pokemon games since late 2007, (Yeah, I'm new) but I'm really into the series, and I'm a champion at Mystery Dungeon games.
If you want to battle my L33T team,(shown below) ask and I'll sort something out.

==Mah Team==
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==First Pokémon Game EVER Played==
[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team]]

==Trivia==
*It should be noted that the Team Hyper Wigglytuff is nicknamed "Master". It is the only Pokémon belonging to Team Hyper to have a nickname.
*Another thing about the "Master" is that it knows moves from a Jigglypuff moveset. It would originally have basic Wigglytuff moves, but the Jigglypuff itself evolved at Level 100.
*The main Team Hyper Pokémon are practically the same, however, they are not traded to new games, meaning there is a seperate Team Hyper for each game.
*Munchlax has a hacked moveset in [[Platinum]]. It knows [[Rock Smash]], [[Surf]], [[Stockpile]] and
[[Last Resort]].

Wobbuffet (Pokémon)

2009-07-29T11:11:02Z

Team Hyper: /* Trivia */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Unown | next=Girafarig |type=psychic|| prevnum=201| nextnum=203}}
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name=Wobbuffet |
jname=ソーナンス |
tmname=Sonans |
image=202Wobbuffet.png|
size=130px|
caption=Artwork from HG/SS |
pron=<sc>woh-buh-feht</sc>|
ndex=202 |
jdex=107 |
hdex=161 |
fdex=170 |
typen=1 |
type1=Psychic |
type2= |
species=Patient |
height-ftin=4'03" |
height-m=1.3 |
weight-lbs=62.8 |
weight-kg=28.5 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Shadow Tag |
ability2= |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Indeterminate |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=20 |
evhp=2 |
expyield=177 |
lv100exp=1,000,000 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=45 |
body=05 |
pokefordex=wobbuffet |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}
'''Wobbuffet''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ソーナンス''' ''Sonans'') is a {{type2|Psychic}} [[Pokémon]].

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Wynaut}} starting at [[level]] 15.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Wobbuffet is a tall, cyan-colored blob-like creature with a black tail that has two eye-spots on it. Wobbuffet has flipper-like arms and a crooked expression on its face as a opposed to the perpetual smile that {{p|Wynaut|its un-evolved form}} has. It also walks on four legs at its base.
====Gender differences====
Female Wobbuffet appear to be wearing lipstick.

====Special abilities====
Wobbuffet is only capable of {{m|counter}}ing enemy attacks. However, it is highly effective at doing this due to its high endurance. It also has the curious ability to {{a|Shadow Tag|keep its opponent from retreating}}.

===Behavior===
When two Wobbuffet meet, they usually try to test each others' endurance. Even though Wobbuffet are classified as "Patient" Pokémon, a [[Pokémon Trainer]] who has it often finds that his or her Wobbuffet tends to pop out of its [[Poké Ball]] by itself, shouting out in agreement of something someone said.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Cave.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Cave Pokémon}}]]
Wobbuffet live in dark caves to keep their tail hidden.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Musashitosonans.jpg|right|thumb|Jessie and Wobbuffet]]
[[Jessie]] has a {{TP|Jessie|Wobbuffet}} that frequently emerges from its [[Poké Ball]] to shout its name or cause what Jessie considers to be trouble. It has appeared in almost every episode since she accidentally traded her {{TP|Jessie|Lickitung}} for it in ''[[EP146|Tricks of the Trade]]''. However, she rarely uses Wobbuffet in battle.

''[[EP173|Wobbu-palooza]]'' featured a town in which everyone owned a Wobbuffet.

==In the manga==
===Pokémon Special===
Wobbuffet first appeared in {{PSV|11}} under the ownership of {{Special|Crystal}}'s mother.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Wobbuffet (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
[[Image:Wobbuffet Brawl.jpg|thumb|right|Wobbuffet in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]]]
===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]/[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl]]===
When released from a [[Poké Ball]], Wobbuffet will stand on the stage in one place. Anyone attacking or running into it will be damaged by its {{m|Counter}}, apart from the player who threw the Poké Ball, who will only be knocked back.

Wobbuffet is also a [[Poké Floats|Poké Float]] in Melee. It appears on its side and never fully reveals itself. When it first appears, it will quickly return off-screen but will then come back and remain to allow for fighting to take place on top of it.

====Melee trophy information====
A Patient Pokémon, Wobbuffet lives in darkness to hide its mismatched black tail. Even for a stoic Pokémon, this creature is a testament to self-control; it will not actively attack an opponent. Its {{m|Counter}} and {{m|Mirror Coat}} moves are solely used for reflecting attacks directly back at its antagonist.

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team]]: Wobbuffet and {{p|Wynaut}} send the {{player}} on a mission into the [[Uproar Forest]]. As thanks for completing it, they help to remodel the rescue base. Notably, the Wobbuffet is the only Pokémon in the entire game that doesn't speak human language.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=psychic
|gen=2
|golddex=It hates light and shock. If attacked, it inflates its body to pump up its counterstrike.
|silverdex=To keep its pitch-black tail hidden, it lives quietly in the darkness. It is never first to attack.
|crystaldex=In order to conceal its black tail, it lives in a dark cave and only moves about at night.
|rubydex=If two or more Wobbuffet meet, they will turn competitive and try to outdo the other's endurance. However, they may try to see which one can endure the longest without food. {{pkmn|Trainer}}s need to beware of this habit.
|sapphiredex=Wobbuffet does nothing but endure attacks - it won't attack on its own. However, it won't endure an attack on its tail. When that happens, the Pokémon will try to take the foe with it using {{m|Destiny Bond}}.
|emeralddex=Usually docile, a Wobbuffet strikes back ferociously if its black tail is attacked. It makes its lair in caves where it waits for nightfall.
|firereddex=To keep its pitch-black tail hidden, it lives quietly in the darkness. It is never first to attack.
|leafgreendex=It hates light and shock. If attacked, it inflates its body to pump up its counterstrike.
|stadium2dex=It hates light and shock. If attacked, it inflates its body to pump up its counterstrike.
|diamonddex=It desperately tries to keep its black tail hidden. It is said to be proof the tail hides a secret.
|pearldex=It desperately tries to keep its black tail hidden. It is said to be proof the tail hides a secret.
|platinumdex=It desperately tries to keep its black tail hidden. It is said to be proof the tail hides a secret.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=psychic |
gen=2 |
gsrarity=Uncommon |
gsarea=[[Dark Cave]] |
crarity=Uncommon |
carea=[[Dark Cave]] |
rsrarity=Few |
rsarea=[[Hoenn Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
erarity=Few |
earea=[[Hoenn Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
frlgrarity=Rare |
frlgarea=[[Cerulean Cave]], [[Ruin Valley]] |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea=[[Lake Verity]], [[Lake Acuity]], [[Lake Valor]] ([[Poké Radar]]) |
ptrarity=Rare |
ptarea=[[Lake Verity]], [[Lake Valor]] ([[Poké Radar]]) |
palarea=Field |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=psychic
|channel=Upgrade binder
|pinballrs=Safari Zone (Ruby Field)
|trozei=Endless Level 12 Endless Level 16 Forever Level 61 Mr. Who's Den
|md=Evolve from {{p|Wynaut}}
|ranger=[[Panula Cave]]
|md2=[[Marine Resort]] (B1-B19)
}}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats|
type=psychic|
HP= 190 |
Attack= 33 |
Defense=58 |
SpAtk= 33 |
SpDef= 58 |
Speed= 33 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=Psychic|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 50 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 200 }}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Wobbuffet}}

====By [[level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|psychic|psychic|4|2|Wobbuffet}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Counter|Fighting|Physical|—|100|20|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Mirror Coat|Psychic|Special|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Destiny Bond|Ghost|Status|—|—|5|Smart|0}}
{{movelist/note|4|psychic}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
None.
====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
None.

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
None.

===Side game data===

{{Side game|
type=psychic |
ndex=202 |
PinRScatch=yes |
HC=C |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Echo Cave |
P1=I'm very shy. Please don't come up to me from behind. |
P2=I think I'm in trouble. My health is down by half. |
P3=I'm sorry...I can hardly wobble... |
PL=My level went up! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
typeG=Psychic |
typeA=Psychic |
fieldpower=0 |
field=None |
loop=8 |
MinEXP=55 |
MaxEXP=69 |
browser=When a Capture Line is drawn, Wobbuffet tenses up and inflates itself instantly. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-12% |
iq=E |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/1baby|360|Wynaut|1|Psychic||[[Level|Level 15]]|holding {{DL|Incense|Lax Incense}}|202|Wobbuffet|1|Psychic}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=psychic|
gen=2|
gender=both|
ndex=202|
name=Wobbuffet|
}}

==Trivia==
* Its Japanese name, when paired with the Japanese name of its pre-evolution, {{p|Wynaut}}, ソーナノ ''Sohnano'', makes for a potential perpetual conversation of "that's the way it is" followed by "really?", and so on, as seen in ''[[PK12|Camp Pikachu]]''.
* Wobbuffet has the third highest base {{stat|HP}} stat in the {{pkmn|games}}, after {{p|Blissey}} and {{p|Chansey}}.
** It also has the highest base HP of all {{type2|Psychic}} Pokémon, the only stat among the Pokémon of this type that is not dominated by a Forme of {{p|Deoxys}}.
* Wobbuffet is one of fourteen Pokémon that one can collect [[Meister|foreign Pokédex entries]] for in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}.
* It is one of five evolution families to learn both {{m|Counter}} and {{m|Mirror Coat}}. The others are {{p|Deoxys}} in Defense Forme (via [[level|leveling up]]), {{p|Shellos}} and {{p|Mudkip}} (both via {{pkmn|breeding}}), and {{p|Squirtle}} (via breeding and [[move tutor|move tutoring]] in {{game|Emerald}}).
*Wobbuffet, along with its pre-evolution {{p|Wynaut}}, is the only Pokémon that can learn both {{m|Encore}} and {{m|Destiny Bond}}, a potentially lethal combination.
* If the opponent does not attack Wobbuffet, Wobbuffet cannot harm the opponent except with {{m|Struggle}} (itself unusable unless Wobbuffet has run out of moves).
* In game, Wobbuffet's [[cry]] does, in fact, sound like "That's the way it is, ma'am." (see Origin) , said in one word and distorted. This further proves that it may be based off ''{{wp|Sanpei Hayashiya}}''.

===Origin===
It may be based on the late Japanese comedian 林家三平 ''{{wp|Sanpei Hayashiya}}'', who was famous for repeatedly touching his hand to his forehead while saying one of his trademark lines, そうなんす、奥さん ''sō na-n-su, okusan'', "That's the way it is, ma'am."

In addition, its form and available moves may be based on a {{wp|punching bag}}; that is, when it is hit, it bounces back. It may also be based on Inky from the Pac-Man series.

====Name origin====
Wobbuffet's name is a combination of ''wobble'' and ''buffet'', meaning to strike repeatedly, possibly referring to its action of slapping its own forehead. Its Japanese name is homophonous with the interjection そうなんす ''sō na-n-su'', which roughly means "that's the way it is."

==In other languages==
* [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Woingenau - Means "Where to, exactly?".
* [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Qulbutoke - A play on ''Culbuto'' (the French trademarked name for {{wp|Weeble}}s) and the expression ''OK''.
* [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 마자용 ''Majayong'' - A play on ''Majayo'', which means "That's correct/That's right".

==Related articles==
* [[Jessie's Wobbuffet]]

==External links==

{{Smash Bros.}}
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Unown | next=Girafarig |type=psychic|| prevnum=201| nextnum=203}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[de:Woingenau]]
[[fr:Qulbutoké]]
[[ja:ソーナンス]]
[[pl:Wobbuffet]]
[[pt:Wobbuffet (pokémon)]]

Altru Tower

2009-07-19T13:17:45Z

Team Hyper: /* Pokémon */

{{infobox location/almia|
name=Altru Tower|
jap=Angel Tower|
japchar=アンヘルタワー|
s=[[Altru Building]]
}}

'''Altru Tower''' (Japanese: '''アンヘルタワー''' ''Angel Tower'') is a location in {{g|Ranger: Shadows of Almia}}. It is the last location in the game's storyline and also the location of the special mission, Liberate the Tower.

[[Team Dim Sun]] uses Altru Tower as a cover for their ultimate weapon, the [[Incredible Machine]]. The weapon is a giant [[Gigaremo]] that is powered by the [[Shadow Crystal]].

The tower's interior is made up of six floors. The second, third and fourth floors play host to three generators for creating a barrier to guard the tower's peak. The generators, colored respectively in yellow, red and blue, are guarded by the members of the [[Sinis Trio]].

On the fifth floor, special black [[Gigaremo Units]] restrain a mysterious shadow that is actually {{p|Darkrai}}.

Altru Tower's roof is where the Shadow Crystal is located and is where the final battle against [[Blake Hall]] takes place.

After Team Dim Sun disbands Altru Tower is renamed ''Tower of Peace'' and opens to the general public. If the [[Player character|player]] returns to its top, the [[Drowzee Guy]] can allow them to replay the final battle.

In the Special Mission ''Liberate the Tower!'', [[Team Dim Sun]]'s remnants reform under [[Kincaid]]'s leadership to form [[Team Debonairs]] and retake control of the upper floors of the Tower, with the top floor of the [[Altru Building]] sealed off by vigilant employees. With {{p|Darkrai}}'s help—who stayed behind at the Tower to protect the Luminous Crystal—the {{player}} must get rid of Kincaid's followers and capture his {{p|Drapion}} and {{p|Gliscor}} to clear the mission.

==Pokémon==

*{{p|Gengar}}
*{{p|Golem}}
*{{p|Ampharos}}
*{{p|Magneton}}
*{{p|Arcanine}}
*{{p|Primeape}}
*{{p|Rhydon}}
*{{p|Gardevoir}}
*{{p|Alakazam}}
*{{p|Absol}}
*{{p|Bidoof}} (First Visit)
*{{p|Rhyperior}} (boss)
*{{p|Magmortar}} (boss)
*{{p|Gallade}} (boss)
*{{p|Dusknoir}} (boss)
*{{p|Darkrai}} (boss and in a special mission)
*{{p|Togekiss}} (after the quest White Pokémon for Peace)
*{{p|Yanmega}}
*{{p|Gallade}} (2 after credits)
*{{p|Drapion}} (Special mission)
*{{p|Gliscor}} (Special mission)

{|align="center" border="0"
|-
| colspan="2" | {{Almia}}
|- valign="top"
| {{Team Dim Sun}}
| {{Team Debonairs}}
|}
[[Category:Almia locations]]
[[Category:Shadows of Almia locations]]
[[Category:Buildings]]

[[ja:アンヘルタワー]]

Rising Rivals (TCG)

2009-07-18T15:14:29Z

Team Hyper:

{{ExpansionPrevNext | prev=Platinum | next=Supreme Victors}}
{{TCGExpansionInfobox
| setname = Platinum: Rising Rivals
| jasetname = 時の果ての絆
| transsetname = Bonds to the End of Time
| setlogo = PL2 Logo.jpg
| encards = 120
| ensetnum = 40
| enrelease = May 20, 2009
| jacards = 90
| jasetnum = 40
| jarelease = December 26, 2008
| alt = Rising Rivals
| numdecks = 2
| deck1 = {{TCG|Drill Point}}
| deck1type = {{ene|Fighting}}{{ene|Water}}
| deck2 = {{TCG|Cutting Edge}}
| deck2type = {{ene|Psychic}}{{ene|Grass}}
| prevset = Platinum
| japrevset = Platinum
| japrevsetname = Galactic's Conquest
| nextset = Beat of the Frontier
| janextset = Beat of the Frontier
| janextsetname = Beat of the Frontier
}}

'''Platinum: Rising Rivals''' (Japanese: '''時の果ての絆''' ''Bonds to the End of Time'') is the name given to the second expansion of cards of the Platinum era of the Trading Card Game.

==Information==
Rising Rivals is the second expansion in the Platinum series and the second set based on {{game|Platinum}} and, more specifically, its redesigned [[Gym Leader]] and [[Elite Four]] lineups.

The Pokémon featured in the set, unlike in Platinum, are based on Pokémon owned by Sinnoh's Gym Leaders and Elite Four members. The set and its deck kit also introduce two new types of {{TCG|Pokémon SP}}: Pokémon GL and Pokémon 4. Pokémon GL are classified as "Gym Leader's Pokémon" and Pokémon 4 are classified as "Elite Four's Pokémon" and are all Pokémon that are seen as part of [[Gym Leader]] and [[Elite Four (Sinnoh)|Elite Four]] lineups in [[Pokémon Platinum]].

Other expansions before this to feature Gym Leader's Pokémon are {{TCG|Gym Heroes}}, {{TCG|Gym Challenge}} and {{TCG|Pokémon VS}}, but only Pokémon VS and {{TCG|EX Power Keepers}} previously featured Pokémon of the Elite Four.

===Trivia===
*While sets have included the {{special|Metal Energy|special Metal Energy}} and {{special|Darkness Energy|special Darkness Energy}} despite the introduction of their {{OBP|Metal Energy|Basic|basic}} {{OBP|Darkness Energy|Basic|forms}}, the Japanese version of the set is the first expansion that includes both the basic and special variations.
*This set's prelease sleeve is {{p|Rotom}} and its [[Form differences|5 forms]].
*As with {{tcg|Pokémon VS}}, one artist illustrated all of the cards for each Gym Leader's Pokémon, excepting LV.X cards: [[Suwama Chiaki]] (Roark), [[Kanako Eo]] (Gardenia), [[Kagemaru Himeno]] (Maylene and Bertha), [[Midori Harada]] (Crasher Wake), [[Naoyo Kimura]] (Fantina), [[Hajime Kusajima]] (Byron), [[Atsuko Nishida]] (Candice), [[Kouki Saitou]] (Volkner and Aaron), [[Masakazu Fukuda]] (Flint) and [[Mitsuhiro Arita]] (Lucian).

==Theme decks==
===Japanese half decks===
*{{TCG|Infernape vs Gallade SP Deck Kit}}

===English Theme Decks===
*{{TCG|Drill Point}}
*{{TCG|Cutting Edge}}

==Card list==
=== Pokémon TCG: Rising Rivals ===
[[Image:TCG_PL2_Booster1.png|thumb|right|English booster pack]]
[[Image:TCG_PL2_Booster2.png|thumb|right|English booster pack]]
[[Image:TCG_PL2_Booster3.png|thumb|right|English booster pack]]
[[Image:TCG_PL2_Booster4.png|thumb|right|English booster pack]]
{| {{graytable}}
|- style="background: #eaeaea;"
! Card No. !! Card Name !! Type !! Level !! Rarity
|-
| 1 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Arcanine|1}} || {{e|Fire}} || 53 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 2 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Bastiodon GL|2}} || {{e|Metal}} || 41 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 3 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Darkrai G|3}} || {{e|Darkness}} || 58 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 4 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Floatzel GL|4}} || {{e|Water}} || 37 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 5 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Flygon|5}} || {{e|Colorless}} || 65 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 6 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Froslass GL|6}} || {{e|Water}} || 44 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 7 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Jirachi|7}} || {{e|Metal}} || 39 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 8 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Lucario GL|8}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 32 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 9 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Luxray GL|9}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 48 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 10 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Mismagius GL|10}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 26 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 11 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Rampardos GL|11}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 63 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 12 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Roserade GL|12}} || {{e|Grass}} || 22 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 13 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Shiftry|13}} || {{e|Darkness}} || 55 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 14 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Aggron|14}} || {{e|Metal}} || 53 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 15 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Beedrill|15}} || {{e|Grass}} || 47 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 16 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Bronzong 4|16}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 54 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 17 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Drapion 4|17}} || {{e|Darkness}} || 53 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 18 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Espeon 4|18}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 55 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 19 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Flareon|19}} || {{e|Fire}} || 38 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 20 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Gallade 4|20}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 59 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 21 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Gastrodon|21}} East Sea || {{e|Water}} || 40 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 22 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Gastrodon|22}} West Sea || {{e|Fighting}} || 50 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 23 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Golem 4|23}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 52 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 24 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Heracross 4|24}} || {{e|Grass}} || 51 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 25 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Hippowdon|25}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 48 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 26 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Jolteon|26}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 43 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 27 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Mamoswine GL|27}} || {{e|Water}} || 61 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 28 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Mr. Mime 4|28}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 53 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 29 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Nidoking|29}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 59 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 30 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Nidoqueen|30}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 54 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 31 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Raichu GL|31}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 46 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 32 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Rhyperior 4|32}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 55 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 33 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Snorlax|33}} || {{e|Colorless}} || 37 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 34 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Vaporeon|34}} || {{e|Water}} || 48 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 35 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Vespiquen 4|35}} || {{e|Grass}} || 50 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 36 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Walrein|36}} || {{e|Water}} || 59 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 37 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Yanmega 4|37}} || {{e|Grass}} || 49 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 38 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Alakazam 4|38}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 56 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 39 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Electrode G|39}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 38 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 40 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Gengar GL|40}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 65 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 41 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Glaceon|41}} || {{e|Water}} || 42 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 42 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Hippowdon 4|42}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 52 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 43 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Infernape 4|43}} || {{e|Fire}} || 55 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 44 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Lairon|44}} || {{e|Metal}} || 37 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 45 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Leafeon|45}} || {{e|Grass}} || 49 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 46 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Machamp GL|46}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 64 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 47 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Rapidash 4|47}} || {{e|Fire}} || 53 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 48 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Scizor 4|48}} || {{e|Grass}} || 49 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 49 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Sharpedo|49}} || {{e|Darkness}} || 43 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 50 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Starmie|50}} || {{e|Water}} || 44 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 51 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Steelix GL|51}} || {{e|Metal}} || 38 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 52 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Tropius|52}} || {{e|Grass}} || 35 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 53 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Vibrava|53}} || {{e|Colorless}} || 36 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 54 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Whiscash 4|54}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 50 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 55 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Aerodactyl GL|55}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 62 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 56 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Ambipom G|56}} || {{e|Colorless}} || 40 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 57 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Aron|57}} || {{e|Metal}} || 21 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 58 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Carvanha|58}} || {{e|Darkness}} || 13 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 59 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Eevee|59}} || {{e|Colorless}} || 10 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 60 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Flareon 4|60}} || {{e|Fire}} || 55 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 61 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Forretress G|61}} || {{e|Metal}} || 35 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 62 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Gliscor 4|62}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 53 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 63 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Growlithe|63}} || {{e|Fire}} || 26 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 64 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Hippopotas|64}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 31 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 65 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Houndoom 4|65}} || {{e|Darkness}} || 52 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 66 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Kakuna|66}} || {{e|Grass}} || 8 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 67 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Kecleon|67}} || {{e|Colorless}} || 34 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 68 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Koffing|68}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 22 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 69 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Munchlax|69}} || {{e|Colorless}} || 13 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 70 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Munchlax|70}} || {{e|Colorless}} || 15 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 71 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Nidoran♀|71}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 14 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 72 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Nidoran♂|72}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 9 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 73 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Nidorina|73}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 29 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 74 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Nidorino|74}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 30 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 75 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Nuzleaf|75}} || {{e|Darkness}} || 25 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 76 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Quagsire GL|76}} || {{e|Water}} || 34 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 77 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Sealeo|77}} || {{e|Water}} || 31 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 78 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Seedot|78}} || {{e|Grass}} || 8 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 79 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Shellos|79}} East Sea || {{e|Water}} || 21 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 80 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Shellos|80}} West Sea || {{e|Water}} || 27 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 81 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Snorlax|81}} || {{e|Colorless}} || 40 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 82 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Spheal|82}} || {{e|Water}} || 18 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 83 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Staryu|83}} || {{e|Water}} || 18 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 84 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Trapinch|84}} || {{e|Fighting}} || 14 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 85 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Turtwig GL|85}} || {{e|Grass}} || 20 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 86 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Weedle|86}} || {{e|Grass}} || 6 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 87 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Weezing|87}} || {{e|Psychic}} || 47 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 88 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Aaron's Collection|88}} || Su || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 89 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Bebe's Search|89}} || Su || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 90 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Bertha's Warmth|90}} || Su || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 91 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Flint's Willpower|91}} || Su || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 92 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Lucian's Assignment|92}} || Su || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 93 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Pokémon Contest Hall|93}} || St || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 94 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Sunyshore City Gym|94}} || St || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 95 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Team Galactic's Invention G-107 Technical Machine G|95}} || T || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 96 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Team Galactic's Invention G-109 SP Radar|96}} || T || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 97 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Underground Expedition|97}} || Su || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 98 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Volkner's Philosophy|98}} || Su || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 99 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Darkness Energy|99}} || E || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 100 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Metal Energy|100}} || E || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 101 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|SP Energy|101}} || E || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 102 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Upper Energy|102}} || E || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 103 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Alakazam 4 LV.X|103}} || {{e|Psychic}} || '''''X''''' ||{{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 104 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Floatzel GL LV.X|104}} || {{e|Water}} || '''''X''''' || {{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 105 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Flygon LV.X|105}} || {{e|Colorless}} || '''''X''''' || {{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 106 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Gallade 4 LV.X|106}} || {{e|Psychic}} || '''''X''''' || {{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 107 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Hippowdon LV.X|107}} || {{e|Fighting}} || '''''X''''' || {{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 108 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Infernape 4 LV.X|108}} || {{e|Fire}} || '''''X''''' || {{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 109 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Luxray GL LV.X|109}} || {{e|Lightning}} || '''''X''''' || {{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 110 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Mismagius GL LV.X|110}} || {{e|Psychic}} || '''''X''''' || {{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 111 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Snorlax LV.X|111}} || {{e|Colorless}} || '''''X''''' || {{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 112 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Pikachu|112}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 12 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 113 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Flying Pikachu|113}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 12 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 114 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Surfing Pikachu|114}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 13 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| RT1 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Fan Rotom|RT1}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 46 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| RT2 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Frost Rotom|RT2}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 46 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| RT3 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Heat Rotom|RT3}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 46 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| RT4 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Mow Rotom|RT4}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 46 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| RT5 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Wash Rotom|RT5}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 46 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| RT6 || {{TCG ID|Rising Rivals|Charon's Choice|RT6}} || Su || -- || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|}

===Japanese expansion===
[[Image:DPt2 Booster.png|thumb|right|Japanese booster pack]]
{| {{graytable}}
|- style="background: #eaeaea;"
! Card No. !! Card Name !! Type !! Level !! Rarity
|-
| 001/090 || Weedle || {{e|Grass}} || 6 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 002/090 || Kakuna || {{e|Grass}} || 8 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 003/090 || Beedrill || {{e|Grass}} || 47 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 004/090 || Seedot || {{e|Grass}} || 8 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 005/090 || Tropius || {{e|Grass}} || 35 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 006/090 || Turtwig GL || {{e|Grass}} || 20 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 007/090 || Roserade GL || {{e|Grass}} || 22 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 008/090 || Leafeon || {{e|Grass}} || 49 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 009/090 || Growlithe || {{e|Fire}} || 26 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 010/090 || Arcanine || {{e|Fire}} || 53 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 011/090 || Flareon || {{e|Fire}} || 38 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 012/090 || Staryu || {{e|Water}} || 18 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 013/090 || Starmie || {{e|Water}} || 44 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 014/090 || Vaporeon || {{e|Water}} || 48 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 015/090 || Quagsire GL || {{e|Water}} || 34 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 016/090 || Spheal || {{e|Water}} || 18 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 017/090 || Sealeo || {{e|Water}} || 31 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 018/090 || Walrein || {{e|Water}} || 59 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 019/090 || Floatzel GL || {{e|Water}} || 37 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 020/090 || Floatzel GL || {{e|Water}} || X || {{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 021/090 || Shellos West Sea || {{e|Water}} || 27 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 022/090 || Shellos East Sea || {{e|Water}} || 21 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 023/090 || Gastrodon East Sea || {{e|Water}} || 40 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 024/090 || Glaceon || {{e|Water}} || 42 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 025/090 || Mamoswine GL || {{e|Water}} || 61 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 026/090 || Froslass GL || {{e|Water}} || 44 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 027/090 || Raichu GL || {{e|Lightning}} || 46 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 028/090 || Jolteon || {{e|Lightning}} || 43 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 029/090 || Luxray GL || {{e|Lightning}} || 48 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 030/090 || Luxray GL || {{e|Lightning}} || X || {{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 031/090 || Heat Rotom || {{e|Lightning}} || 46 || {{rar|Uncommon Holo}}
|-
| 032/090 || Frost Rotom || {{e|Lightning}} || 46 || {{rar|Uncommon Holo}}
|-
| 033/090 || Wash Rotom || {{e|Lightning}} || 46 || {{rar|Uncommon Holo}}
|-
| 034/090 || Spin Rotom || {{e|Lightning}} || 46 || {{rar|Uncommon Holo}}
|-
| 035/090 || Cut Rotom || {{e|Lightning}} || 46 || {{rar|Uncommon Holo}}
|-
| 036/090 || Nidoran♀ || {{e|Psychic}} || 14 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 037/090 || Nidorina || {{e|Psychic}} || 29 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 038/090 || Nidoqueen || {{e|Psychic}} || 54 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 039/090 || Nidoran♂ || {{e|Psychic}} || 9 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 040/090 || Nidorino || {{e|Psychic}} || 30 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 041/090 || Alakazam 4 || {{e|Psychic}} || 56 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 042/090 || Alakazam 4 || {{e|Psychic}} || X || {{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 043/090 || Gengar GL || {{e|Psychic}} || 65 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 044/090 || Koffing || {{e|Psychic}} || 22 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 045/090 || Weezing || {{e|Psychic}} || 47 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 046/090 || Mismagius GL || {{e|Psychic}} || 26 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 047/090 || Nidoking || {{e|Fighting}} || 59 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 048/090 || Machamp GL || {{e|Fighting}} || 64 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 049/090 || Aerodactyl GL || {{e|Fighting}} || 62 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 050/090 || Trapinch || {{e|Fighting}} || 14 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 051/090 || Rampardos GL || {{e|Fighting}} || 63 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 052/090 || Gastrodon West Sea || {{e|Fighting}} || 50 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 053/090 || Lucario GL || {{e|Fighting}} || 32 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 054/090 || Hippopotas || {{e|Fighting}} || 31 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 055/090 || Hippowdon || {{e|Fighting}} || 48 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 056/090 || Hippowdon || {{e|Fighting}} || X || {{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 057/090 || Nuzleaf || {{e|Darkness}} || 25 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 058/090 || Shiftry || {{e|Darkness}} || 55 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 059/090 || Carvanha || {{e|Darkness}} || 13 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 060/090 || Sharpedo || {{e|Darkness}} || 43 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 061/090 || Forretress G || {{e|Metal}} || 35 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 062/090 || Steelix GL || {{e|Metal}} || 38 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 063/090 || Aron || {{e|Metal}} || 21 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 064/090 || Lairon || {{e|Metal}} || 37 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 065/090 || Aggron || {{e|Metal}} || 53 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 066/090 || Jirachi || {{e|Metal}} || 39 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 067/090 || Bastiodon GL || {{e|Metal}} || 41 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 068/090 || Eevee || {{e|Colorless}} || 10 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 069/090 || Munchlax || {{e|Colorless}} || 13 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 070/090 || Snorlax || {{e|Colorless}} || 40 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 071/090 || Vibrava || {{e|Colorless}} || 36 || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 072/090 || Flygon || {{e|Colorless}} || 65 || {{rar|Rare Holo}}
|-
| 073/090 || Flygon || {{e|Colorless}} || X || {{rar|Rare Holo LV.X}}
|-
| 074/090 || Kecleon || {{e|Colorless}} || 34 || {{rar|Common}}
|-
| 075/090 || Ambipom G || {{e|Colorless}} || 40 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 076/090 || Galactic's Invention G-109 SP Radar || T || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 077/090 || Galactic's Invention G-107 Machine G || T || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 078/090 || Underground Exploration Team || Su || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 079/090 || Volkner's Philosophy || Su || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 080/090 || Pluto's Choice || Su || -- || {{rar|Uncommon Holo}}
|-
| 081/090 || Bebe's Search || Su || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 082/090 || Sunyshore Gym || St || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 083/090 || Pokémon Contest Hall || St || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 084/090 || Upper Energy || E || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 085/090 || SP Energy || E || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 086/090 || {{Special|Darkness Energy}} || E || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 087/090 || {{Special|Metal Energy}} || E || -- || {{rar|Uncommon}}
|-
| 088/090 || {{TCG ID|Base Set|Pikachu|58}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 12 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 089/090 || {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Surfing Pikachu|28}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 13 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| 090/090 || {{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Flying Pikachu|25}} || {{e|Lightning}} || 12 || {{rar|Rare}}
|-
| -- || {{TCG|Grass Energy}} || E || -- || --
|-
| -- || {{TCG|Fire Energy}} || E || -- || --
|-
| -- || {{TCG|Water Energy}} || E || -- || --
|-
| -- || {{TCG|Lightning Energy}} || E || -- || --
|-
| -- || {{TCG|Psychic Energy}} || E || -- || --
|-
| -- || {{TCG|Fighting Energy}} || E || -- || --
|-
| -- || {{OBP|Darkness Energy|Basic}} || E || -- || --
|-
| -- || {{OBP|Metal Energy|Special}} || E || -- || --
|}

{{TCG Expansions}}
[[Category:TCG expansion sets]]

[[ja:ポケモンカードゲームDPt 拡張パック時の果ての絆]]

Little Tim

2009-07-17T17:16:24Z

Team Hyper:

Little Tim is a [[non-player character]] in {{g|Ranger: Shadows of Almia}}.

He is first met at the [[Ranger School]] where he is attacked by two wild {{p|Bidoof}} and is saved by the player and {{ra|Keith}}. He is the husband of [[Big Bertha]], the father of four children and the owner of a {{p|Miltank}}.

It is revealed during one of the [[Ranger Quest]]s that he has been afraid of [[Pokémon]] ever since he was scratched by a {{p|Slakoth}} as a small child. This fear has developed into a belief that all Pokémon want to attack him. During the said quest, his wife asks the player to bring a Slakoth to him so that his fear would go away. Later, he tells the player that he's now able to pat Bidoof on their heads.

==Trivia==
*It is possible he was supposed to be called "Tiny Tim" as, like "Big Bertha", both words begin with the same letters. However, due to legal reasons (Charle's Dicken's novel [[wp:A Christmas Carol|A Christmas Carol]]), Nintendo could have been sued for using the name, as Tiny Tim is a character in the book.

{{Ranger 2 NPC}} 
{{charstub}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Male characters]]

Wheeler

2009-07-17T16:51:02Z

Team Hyper:

[[Image:WheelerDoof.png|right|200px|thumb|Wheeler attacking {{ra|Kate}} with {{p|Bidoof}}]]
'''Wheeler''' is a high ranking employee of Altru Inc. He frequently uses {{p|Bidoof}}.

The {{player}} first meets him in the [[Altru Building]] when the player is being given a guided tour. However, he is technically first seen in Vol.2 of the Almia Times. He later appears in [[Altru Park]] as [[Blake]] gives a speech. Later, he attacks the player with several Bidoof at the [[Ranger Union]] during a raid.

The player faces him at the top of [[Altru Tower]], where he uses a single Bidoof against the player. After losing, he attempts to send another Bidoof, only to be stopped by Blake. When Blake loses control of Darkrai, Wheeler is pulled into a {{m|Dark Void}}.

After {{p|Darkrai}} is captured, he is freed from the Dark Void.

After the end of the game, it is hinted by an NPC that [[Blake]] had gone to a far away prison. this emans that it is also possible that [[Wheeler]] met the same fate, as he followed Blake out of building to meet the escorts.

==Main Purpose==
Wheeler's main purpose to Altru/Team Dim Sun is unknown, as he is never involved in anything too serious. However, it may be possible that he was the one behind the invasion of the Ranger Union. Wheeler is most likely Blake Hall's accountant or right hand man of some sort. He is also extremely cowardly, insecure and paranoid (or just nervous around his boss), as evidenced by the fact he is always stroking his own hands.
As shown in the final battle, he tries to get involved and make himself look important, even going to the limit of interrupting Blake in some way to simply send a Bidoof upon the player to create a threat of some sort. Blake also appears to find him an annoyance, as when Wheeler does try to impress his boss in some way, Blake will command him too stop, and even attempted to push Wheeler off Altru Tower in the final part of the game.

==Pokémon==
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=100px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:399.png]] {{p|Bidoof}} (several)
|}

==Trivia==
*Wheeler seems very obsessed with {{p|Bidoof}}, using them even before the player fights {{p|Dusknoir}}. However, it may also be that Bidoof is the only Pokémon that Wheeler can handle, or just limited to.

{{Team Dim Sun}}
{{gamestub}}
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Ranger: Shadows of Almia characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

Blake Hall

2009-07-17T16:48:20Z

Team Hyper:

{{spoiler}}

{{CharacterInfobox|
name=Blake Hall |
jname=ブラック・ホール |
tmname=Black Hole |
image=[[Image:Blake.JPG|120px]] |
caption=Art from Shadows of Almia |
age=yes |
years=Unknown |
gender=Male |
hometown=unknown |
region=[[Almia]] |
relatives=Brighton Hall (Father), Doyle M. Hall (Grandfather), Unnamed mother |
game=yes |
generation={{Gen|IV}} |
games=[[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]] |
leader=no |
team=yes |
teamname=[[Team Dim Sun]] |
teamrank=President |
brain=no |
anime=no|
}}

'''Blake Hall''' (Japanese: '''ブラック・ホール''' ''Black Hole'') is the third, current and youngest president of Altru Inc. and the leader of [[Team Dim Sun]].

He is first seen during a guided tour of the [[Altru Building]]. He is then again seen in a practice of the [[Go-Rock Quads]] when he made a speech. He also apparently made a song for them to sing during Altru's seventieth anniversary called ''Dream Energy'', which was hated by the Quads.

When the {{player}} confronts him at the top of [[Altru Tower]], he shows the power of the [[Altru Tower|Incredible Machine]] by summoning a {{p|Dusknoir}} from the [[Hippowdon Temple]]. After the Dusknoir is captured, he summons a {{p|Darkrai}} to suck the player into a {{m|Dark Void}}. This fails when the player is rescued by [[Keith (Ranger)|Keith]]. After this, he increases the power of the Incredible Machine to Level Dark from the stable Level 3. With this, he loses control of Darkrai who then pulls him and [[Wheeler]] into a Dark Void.

After Darkrai is captured, he is freed from the Dark Void. [[Professor Hastings]] reveals from Brighton Hall's diary that Blake Hall's real name is actually '''Wyatt Hall'''. During his name changing ceremony, which was against his mother's wishes, he was offered to the Shadow Crystal with the desire for it to help Blake as he grows. However, Brighton realized far too late that he had made a mistake doing so as the Shadow Crystal was also feeding him darkness. Blake eventually drove him from Altru on his sixteenth birthday, rendering it impossible for Brighton to do anything about his son.

After the game, it is hinted that he has gone to a faraway prison as an NPC states that he has gone to a faraway land for the crimes he has done, despite his change from evil to good. Even after he is gone, Team Dim Sun still tries to carry out operations.

==Personality==
He is shown to be a bit self centered, and hardly any respect for his minions/employees, as evidenced by his attitude to [[Wheeler]], who he even tries to push off [[Altru Tower]] in the game. Despite this, he relies on his minions a lot, as he gets a bit frightened when he is left to deal with {{p|Darkrai}} and the {{player}} by himslef, after Wheeler is pulled into into the [[Dark Void]] and [[Heath]] goes back to his country, and even pleads for the player to save him when he is being pulled into the Dark Void himself. Other people have said they get a "dark" feeling off him.

==Pokémon==

=== Temporary ===
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=200px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:477.png]] {{p|Dusknoir}}
| align=center | [[Image:491.png]] {{p|Darkrai}}
|}

==Names==
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
|Japanese
| ブラック・ホール (''Black Hole'')
| From black hole
|-
|English
|Wyatt / Blake Hall
|From ''{{wp|black hole}}''. Wyatt came from ''white''.
|-
|French
|Anoir Rayor
|From ''noir'', black, and ''rayon'', beam.
|-
|German
|Nubilus Strahlemann
|From ''nubilus'', Latin for cloudy, and ''Strahl'', beam.
|-
|Italian
|Nereo Raggiani
|From ''nero'', black, and ''raggio'', beam.
|-
|Spanish
|Albo / Bruno Haz
|From ''bruno'', dark brown, and ''haz'', beam. Albo came from ''alba'', dawn.
|}

{{Team Dim Sun}}
{{Ranger 2 NPC}}

{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Criminal masterminds]]
[[Category:Ranger: Shadows of Almia characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

Wheeler

2009-07-17T16:46:26Z

Team Hyper:

[[Image:WheelerDoof.png|right|200px|thumb|Wheeler attacking {{ra|Kate}} with {{p|Bidoof}}]]
'''Wheeler''' is a high ranking employee of Altru Inc. He frequently uses {{p|Bidoof}}.

The {{player}} first meets him in the [[Altru Building]] when the player is being given a guided tour. However, he is technically first seen in Vol.2 of the Almia Times. He later appears in [[Altru Park]] as [[Blake]] gives a speech. Later, he attacks the player with several Bidoof at the [[Ranger Union]] during a raid.

The player faces him at the top of [[Altru Tower]], where he uses a single Bidoof against the player. After losing, he attempts to send another Bidoof, only to be stopped by Blake. When Blake loses control of Darkrai, Wheeler is pulled into a {{m|Dark Void}}.

After {{p|Darkrai}} is captured, he is freed from the Dark Void.

==Main Purpose==
Wheeler's main purpose to Altru/Team Dim Sun is unknown, as he is never involved in anything too serious. However, it may be possible that he was the one behind the invasion of the Ranger Union. Wheeler is most likely Blake Hall's accountant or right hand man of some sort. He is also extremely cowardly, insecure and paranoid (or just nervous around his boss), as evidenced by the fact he is always stroking his own hands.
As shown in the final battle, he tries to get involved and make himself look important, even going to the limit of interrupting Blake in some way to simply send a Bidoof upon the player to create a threat of some sort. Blake also appears to find him an annoyance, as when Wheeler does try to impress his boss in some way, Blake will command him too stop, and even attempted to push Wheeler off Altru Tower in the final part of the game.

==Pokémon==
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=100px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:399.png]] {{p|Bidoof}} (several)
|}

==Trivia==
*Wheeler seems very obsessed with {{p|Bidoof}}, using them even before the player fights {{p|Dusknoir}}. However, it may also be that Bidoof is the only Pokémon that Wheeler can handle, or just limited to.

{{Team Dim Sun}}
{{gamestub}}
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Ranger: Shadows of Almia characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

Blake Hall

2009-07-12T17:46:59Z

Team Hyper:

{{spoiler}}
{{incomplete}}

{{CharacterInfobox|
name=Blake Hall |
jname=ブラック・ホール |
tmname=Black Hole |
image=[[Image:Blake.JPG|120px]] |
caption=Art from Shadows of Almia |
age=yes |
years=Unknown |
gender=Male |
hometown=unknown |
region=[[Almia]] |
relatives=Brighton Hall (Father), Doyle M. Hall (Grandfather), Unnamed mother |
game=yes |
generation={{Gen|IV}} |
games=[[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]] |
leader=no |
team=yes |
teamname=[[Team Dim Sun]] |
teamrank=President |
brain=no |
anime=no|
}}

'''Blake Hall''' (Japanese: '''ブラック・ホール''' ''Black Hole'') is the third, current and youngest president of Altru Inc. and the leader of [[Team Dim Sun]].

He is first seen during a guided tour of the [[Altru Building]]. He is then again seen in a practice of the [[Go-Rock Quads]] when he made a speech. He also apparently made a song for them to sing during Altru's seventieth anniversary called ''Dream Energy'', which was hated by the Quads.

When the {{player}} confronts him at the top of [[Altru Tower]], he shows the power of the [[Altru Tower|Incredible Machine]] by summoning a {{p|Dusknoir}} from the [[Hippowdon Temple]]. After the Dusknoir is captured, he summons a {{p|Darkrai}} to suck the player into a {{m|Dark Void}}. This fails when the player is rescued by [[Keith (Ranger)|Keith]]. After this, he increases the power of the Incredible Machine to Level Dark from the stable Level 3. With this, he loses control of Darkrai who then pulls him and [[Wheeler]] into a Dark Void.

After Darkrai is captured, he is freed from the Dark Void. [[Professor Hastings]] reveals from Brighton Hall's diary that Blake Hall's real name is actually '''Wyatt Hall'''. During his name changing ceremony, which was against his mother's wishes, he was offered to the Shadow Crystal with the desire for it to help Blake as he grows. However, Brighton realized far too late that he had made a mistake doing so as the Shadow Crystal was also feeding him darkness. Blake eventually drove him from Altru on his sixteenth birthday, rendering it impossible for Brighton to do anything about his son.

After the game, it is hinted that he has gone to a faraway prison as an NPC states that he has gone to a faraway land for the crimes he has done, despite his change from evil to good. Even after he is gone, Team Dim Sun still tries to carry out operations.

==Personality==
He is shown to be a bit self centered, and hardly any respect for his minions/employees, as evidenced by his attitude to [[Wheeler]], who he even tries to push off [[Altru Tower]] in the game. Despite this, he relies on his minions a lot, as he gets a bit frightened when he is left to deal with [[Darkrai]] and the [[player]] by himslef, after Wheeler is pulled into into the [[Dark Void]] and [[Heath]] goes back to his country, and even pleads for the player to save him when he is being pulled into the Dark Void himself. Other people have said they get a "dark" feeling off him.

==Pokémon==

=== Temporary ===
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=200px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:477.png]] {{p|Dusknoir}}
| align=center | [[Image:491.png]] {{p|Darkrai}}
|}

==Names==
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
|Japanese
| ブラック・ホール (''Black Hole'')
| From black hole
|-
|English
|Wyatt / Blake Hall
|From ''{{wp|black hole}}''. Wyatt came from ''white''.
|-
|French
|Anoir Rayor
|From ''noir'', black, and ''rayon'', beam.
|-
|German
|Nubilus Strahlemann
|From ''nubilus'', Latin for cloudy, and ''Strahl'', beam.
|-
|Italian
|Nereo Raggiani
|From ''nero'', black, and ''raggio'', beam.
|-
|Spanish
|Albo / Bruno Haz
|From ''bruno'', dark brown, and ''haz'', beam. Albo came from ''alba'', dawn.
|}

{{Team Dim Sun}}
{{Ranger 2 NPC}}

{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Criminal masterminds]]
[[Category:Ranger: Shadows of Almia characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

Talk:Igglybuff (Pokémon)

2009-07-12T17:07:37Z

Team Hyper: /* Hyperlink */

"Whitney owns a Igglybuff"... are you a ''toddler''? Also, someone who knows something about the manga, please add content. - [[User:TheGrammarian|TheGrammarian]]

Additionally, the wording in the trivia section is intensely confusing; could someone with access to the shiny sprites rephrase it in a way that actually makes sense? - [[User:TheGrammarian|TheGrammarian]]

== Hyperlink ==

For the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon phrases, for the 51%-100% phrase, the phrase is:
If I start [[Rollout (move)|rolling]], I can't stop! Please, help me if I do!

Rolling refers to the move Rollout. Somebody put a hyperlink on '''rolling''', which links to the article on Rollout. Igglybuff '''doesn't''' learn Rollout. Then why would somebody put the hyperlink? -- [[User:FireHazard|Hazardous FIRE!]] 01:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

:Maybe a reference to [[Generation II]]. Igglybuff actually did learn {{TM|04|Rollout}} in that generation.

:Of course, it's possible that the in-game mention is not actually meant to reference Rollout...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:53, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

:Igglybuff could still use Rollout if it uses CopyCat on it... I think. [[User:Team Hyper|Team Hyper]]

Wheeler

2009-07-12T16:04:49Z

Team Hyper:

[[Image:WheelerDoof.png|right|200px|thumb|Wheeler attacking {{ra|Kate}} with {{p|Bidoof}}]]
'''Wheeler''' is a high ranking employee of Altru Inc. He frequently uses {{p|Bidoof}}.

The {{player}} first meets him in [[Altru Park]] as [[Blake Hall]] gives a speech.However, he is technically first seen in Vol.2 of the Almia Times. Later, he attacks the player with several Bidoof at the [[Ranger Union]] during a raid by the [[Sinis Trio]].

The player faces him at the top of [[Altru Tower]], where he uses a single Bidoof against the player. After losing, he attempts to send another Bidoof, only to be stopped by Blake. When Blake loses control of Darkrai, Wheeler is pulled into a {{m|Dark Void}}.

After {{p|Darkrai}} is captured, he is freed from the Dark Void.

==Main Purpose==
Wheeler's main purpose to Altru/Team Dim Sun is unknown, as he is never involved in anything too serious. However, it may be possible that he was the one behind the invasion of the Ranger Union. Wheeler is most likely Blake Hall's accountant or right hand man of some sort. He is also extremely cowardly, insecure and paranoid (or just nervous around his boss), as evidenced by the fact he is always stroking his own hands.
As shown in the final battle, he tries to get involved and make himself look important, even going to the limit of interrupting Blake in some way to simply send a Bidoof upon the player to create a threat of some sort. Blake also appears to find him an annoyance, as when Wheeler does try to impress his boss in some way, Blake will command him too stop, and even attempted to push Wheeler off Altru Tower in the final part of the game.

==Pokémon==
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=100px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:399.png]] {{p|Bidoof}} (several)
|}

==Trivia==
*Wheeler seems very obsessed with {{p|Bidoof}}, using them even before the player fights {{p|Darkrai}}.

{{Team Dim Sun}}
{{gamestub}}
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Ranger: Shadows of Almia characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

User:Team Hyper

2009-07-08T19:46:56Z

Team Hyper:

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| style="background: #f05030; color: fffff;" | <big>'''MAH BOI''', this user knows what all true warriors '''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnjahYe85Co strive for]'''.</big>
|}

Hi! Some of you may have heard of me, as most of my accounts have "Hyper" in them. I'm a "friendly hacker", as I spend my hacking stuffs helping to fix errors. I like trying out glitches in games, and if there's a question about any glitch you may be stuck in I might be able to help you out.
Please don't ask me to give you cheat codes. I don't like that.
Anyways, I've been playing Pokemon games since late 2007, (Yeah, I'm new) but I'm really into the series, and I'm a champion at Mystery Dungeon games.
If you want to battle my L33T team,(shown below) ask and I'll sort something out.

==Mah Team==
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p3m4=Last Resort|p3m4t=Normal|p3m4c=Physical}}
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==First Pokémon Game EVER Played==
[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team]]

==Trivia==
*It should be noted that the Team Hyper Wigglytuff is nicknamed "Master". It is the only Pokémon belonging to Team Hyper to have a nickname.
*Another thing about the "Master" is that it knows moves from a Jigglypuff moveset. It would originally have basic Wigglytuff moves, but the Jigglypuff itself evolved at Level 100.
*The main Team Hyper Pokémon are practically the same, however, they are not traded to new games, meaning there is a seperate Team Hyper for each game.
*Munchlax has a hacked moveset in [[Platinum]]. It knows [[Rock Smash]], [[Surf]], [[Stockpile]] and
[[Last Resort]].

Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)

2009-07-08T17:53:01Z

Team Hyper: /* Origin */

{{PokémoncardInfobox |
cardname=Wigglytuff |
level=36 |
jname=プクリン |
jtrans=Pukurin |
image=Wigglytuff Jungle 16.jpg |
caption=Illus. [[Mitsuhiro Arita]] |
evostage=Stage 1 |
evoicon=039 |
evospecies=Jigglypuff |
evoname=Jigglypuff |
type=Colorless |
hp=80 |
weakness=Fighting |
resistance=Psychic |
retreatcost=2 |
species=Wigglytuff |
}}
{{PokémoncardInfobox/Expansion
| type=colorless
| expansion = {{TCG|Jungle}}
| rarity = {{rar|Rare Holo}}
| cardno = 16/64, 32/64 (Non-holo)
|}}
{{PokémoncardInfobox/Expansion
| type=colorless
| expansion = {{TCG|Base Set 2}}
| rarity = {{rar|Rare Holo}}
| cardno = 19/130
|}}
{{PokémoncardInfobox/Expansion
| type=colorless
| gbset = {{GB|1|Colosseum}}
| gbid = A34
| gb2set = {{GB|2|Legendary Power}}
| gb2id = B47
|}}
{{PokémoncardInfobox/Footer|type=Colorless|species=Wigglytuff}}

'''Wigglytuff''' (Japanese: '''プクリン''' ''Pukurin'') is a {{ct|Colorless}} Stage 1 Pokémon card. It is part of the {{TCG|Jungle}} set.

==Card text==
===Attacks===
{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Colorless}} |
name=Lullaby |
jname=こもりうた |
jtrans=Lullaby |
damage= |
effect=The Defending Pokémon is now {{TCG|Asleep}}. |
}}

{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Colorless}}{{e|Colorless}}{{e|Colorless}} |
name=Do the Wave |
jname=ともだちのわ |
jtrans=Sum of Friends |
damage=10+ |
effect=Does 10 damage plus 10 more damage for each of your Benched Pokémon. |
}}

===Pokédex data===
{|{{Graytable}} width="250"
|-
! Species
| Balloon Pokémon
|-
! Length
| 3'3" (1.3m)
|-
! Weight
| 26 lbs (40Kg)
|-
! nowrap | Pokémon No.
| 40
|-
! Entry
| The body is soft and rubbery. When angered, it will suck in air and inflate itself to an enormous size.
|}

==Release information==
The holographic version of this card was reprinted in the {{TCG|Base Set 2}} reprint set, which was only released outside of Japan.

==Trivia==
===Origin===
The card's flavor text comes from {{game|Red and Blue|s}}. The move Lullaby is based off the move from the games, [[Sing]]. Do The Wave is possibly [[Hyper Voice]].

{{Project TCGDex notice}}
[[Category:Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Wigglytuff (TCG)]]
[[Category:Colorless-type Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Evolution cards]]
[[Category:Stage 1 Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Jungle cards]]
[[Category:Illus. by Mitsuhiro Arita]]
[[Category:Holographic cards]]

[[fr:Grodoudou (Jungle 16)]]
[[ja:プクリン (ポケモンジャングル)]]

Wheeler

2009-07-04T20:02:16Z

Team Hyper:

[[Image:WheelerDoof.png|right|200px|thumb|Wheeler attacking {{ra|Kate}} with {{p|Bidoof}}]]
'''Wheeler''' is a high ranking employee of Altru Inc. He frequently uses {{p|Bidoof}}.

The {{player}} first meets him in [[Altru Park]] as [[Blake Hall]] gives a speech. Later, he attacks the player with several Bidoof at the [[Ranger Union]] during a raid by the [[Sinis Trio]].

The player faces him at the top of [[Altru Tower]], where he uses a single Bidoof against the player. After losing, he attempts to send another Bidoof, only to be stopped by Blake. When Blake loses control of Darkrai, Wheeler is pulled into a {{m|Dark Void}}.

After {{p|Darkrai}} is captured, he is freed from the Dark Void.

==Main Purpose==
Wheeler's main purpose to Altru/Team Dim Sun is unknown, as he is never involved in anything too serious. However, it may be possible that he was the one behind the invasion of the Ranger Union. Wheeler is most likely Blake Hall's accountant or right hand man of some sort. He is also extremely cowardly, insecure and paranoid (or just nervous around his boss), as evidenced by the fact he is always stroking his own hands.
As shown in the final battle, he tries to get involved and make himself look important, even going to the limit of interupting Blake in some way to simply send a Bidoof upon the player to create a threat of some sort. Blake also appears to find him an annoyance, as when Wheeler does try to impress his boss in some way, Blake will command him too stop, and even attempted to push Wheeler off Altru Tower in the final part of the game.

==Pokémon==
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=100px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:399.png]] {{p|Bidoof}} (several)
|}

==Trivia==
*Wheeler seems very obsessed with {{p|Bidoof}}, using them even before the player fights {{p|Darkrai}}.

{{Team Dim Sun}}
{{gamestub}}
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Ranger: Shadows of Almia characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

Wheeler

2009-07-04T20:01:19Z

Team Hyper:

[[Image:WheelerDoof.png|right|200px|thumb|Wheeler attacking {{ra|Kate}} with {{p|Bidoof}}]]
'''Wheeler''' is an employee of Altru Inc. He frequently uses {{p|Bidoof}}.

The {{player}} first meets him in [[Altru Park]] as [[Blake Hall]] gives a speech. Later, he attacks the player with several Bidoof at the [[Ranger Union]] during a raid by the [[Sinis Trio]].

The player faces him at the top of [[Altru Tower]], where he uses a single Bidoof against the player. After losing, he attempts to send another Bidoof, only to be stopped by Blake. When Blake loses control of Darkrai, Wheeler is pulled into a {{m|Dark Void}}.

After {{p|Darkrai}} is captured, he is freed from the Dark Void.

==Main Purpose==
Wheeler's main purpose to Altru/Team Dim Sun is unknown, as he is never involved in anything too serious. However, it may be possible that he was the one behind the invasion of the Ranger Union. Wheeler is most likely Blake Hall's accountant or right hand man of some sort. He is also extremely cowardly, insecure and paranoid (or just nervous around his boss), as evidenced by the fact he is always stroking his own hands.
As shown in the final battle, he tries to get involved and make himself look important, even going to the limit of interupting Blake in some way to simply send a Bidoof upon the player to create a threat of some sort. Blake also appears to find him an annoyance, as when Wheeler does try to impress his boss in some way, Blake will command him too stop, and even attempted to push Wheeler off Altru Tower in the final part of the game.

==Pokémon==
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=100px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:399.png]] {{p|Bidoof}} (several)
|}

==Trivia==
*Wheeler seems very obsessed with {{p|Bidoof}}, using them even before the player fights {{p|Darkrai}}.

{{Team Dim Sun}}
{{gamestub}}
[[Category:Game characters]]
[[Category:Ranger: Shadows of Almia characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

Talk:Bad Egg

2009-06-17T16:11:13Z

Team Hyper: /* Box Breeding? */

I added some trivia for the D/P Bad EGGs. See if you have anything to change or add. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 19:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

==Expansion==
I would consider adding the following text to this article, but I do not know if it fits the style of Bulbapedia since I am a relatively inexperienced user.

"Another method of obtaining a bad egg involves using the gameshark code for walking through walls to enter the Colosseum without linking up. There, you will fight the last trainer you battled, and after the battle, the Pokémon you used will become a bad egg. However, this bad egg has been known to corrupt the game save file, forcing the player to start the game over again."

If this text does not work, please feel free to modify and add it. [[User:DarkMazer|DarkMazer]] 07:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
:{{bp|Manual of style}}. Don't use "you", capitalize [[GameShark]] correctly, and it should be good. And by "don't use you", I mean instead find a way around doing so, such as substituting "the player" or using the passive tense. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

== PBR Bad Egg ==

So, is it true that bad eggs are also in PBR?[[User:GreenAiden555|GreenAiden555]] 05:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

== Ruby/Sapphire Bad Egg info ==

I can't remember how I got it, but a few years ago, I had a Pokémon in my party that had 0 hp, was labeled Bad EGG, and had a yellow bulbasaur as its im-party sprite. I believe I was trying to catch a Jirachi or something, I can't remember. [[User:Crüsäder|Crüsäder]] 19:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:I also got a Bad EGG in my [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|Sapphire]]. I got it in the [[Day Care]], when the old man gave me an [[Pokémon Egg|Egg]], it contains Bad EGG.
[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 11:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

== Deleting Bad Eggs ==

I don't know if it's possible in other versions, but the Emerald cloning trick can be used to delete Bad Eggs.

1. Go to the PC in the Battle Tower.
2. Withdraw Bad Egg(s) into your party.
3. Save the game.
4. Deposit the Bad Eggs, and ONLY the Bad Eggs, into an empty PC box.
5. Go to the receptionist closest to the PC. Start signing up until she asks you if you want to save. Say yes and wait until after the pause, when the 'real' save confirmation screen appears. Don't save---instead reset and reload the game. You will end up standing in front of the receptionist, with the Bad Eggs (and any other Pokemon) deposited into the PC after the initial save deleted. [[User:SlashFirestorm|SlashFirestorm]] 04:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== Mentioned ==

When i used my action replay to catch cynthia's milotic, it got very glitchy and said "bad EGG has been sent to box 1 in bebe's PC". I looked in my box and it was a normal milotic. maybe it is worth mentioning?
: Catching other Trainers' Pokémon can yield three results concerning that: 1) The game will initially call the Pokémon "Bad EGG" until you nickname it (or don't nickname it - either way), 2) The game will call the Pokémon whatever Pokémon the Tariner you fought sent out first (in Cynthia's case, Spiritomb) until you nickname it(or don't), 3) The game will call the Pokémon by its proper name. As to whether or not you should add that, I don't think so...it isn't really a Bad EGG. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 19:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== PBR Bad Eggs ==

The only way I've managed to produce a bad egg in PBR, was an illegal EV set. Now, I also hacked a Pokémon with the following specifics:
* {{p|Ninjask}}
* {{a|No Guard}} ability
* {{m|Sheer Cold}}, {{m|Doom Desire}}, {{m|Zap Cannon}}, {{m|Dark Void}}
That Ninjask was uploaded to PBR without a problem. I've even used it in a Colosseum, despite how lame it was to use it. Now, I seriously doubt a Ninjask is compatible with that move-set. Not to mention, if an illegal ability gave a Bad Egg - it'd have failed straight away. Ninjask can only have {{a|Speed Boost}}. Need proof of the Ninjask? Just ask. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 12:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:That occurs when a Pokemon with over 510 EVs total and/or over 255 EVs in one stat is copied into PBR. It cannot be used in battle. I've experimented, and every Pokemon I hacked, no matter what its coloration, moves, ability, OT, or ID was, was able to be used in PBR, as long as its EVs were legit.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 13:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Trainer ID? ==

I've got a Action Replay for GBA. I loaned it to my friend, and he got two level 100 shiny Celebis from it and migrated to D/P. But when he put them on PBR they were Bad Eggs.
I know hacked Pokémon sometimes appear as Bad Eggs in PBR, but I was wondering if it might be the Trainer ID, which was 000000. It could, of course, be the stats. All the stats except Hp were 299, and HP was 404, but my friend said that's normal for a level 100 Celebi. Could it be the Trainer ID? [[User:ZanderX|Zan]][[User talk:ZanderX|der]][[Special:Contributions/ZanderX|X]] 08:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

==diamond freeze==

Sometimes when my sister incorrectly uses the OHKO cheat and battles a BadEGG (even in single battles, it just dosen't say "BadEGG"), the music slows down and the game freezes. Can someone else test this to see if it's just the action replay/cart? [[User:Arceus is the Best|Arceus is the Best]] 17:49, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

== Box Breeding? ==
A few days ago i got two bad EGGS in one of my boxes. While i have not been able to figure out exactly why, i have one theory. In my game i am trying to breed a bunch of Pokémon so i get them at just the right nature (see my user page). When i left two breedible Pokémon right next to each other, a bad egg appeared next to them. The two kinds were a pair of Victorybells and a pair of Blastioses (both pairs contained a ♂ and ♀). I have been trying to hatch them for some time now, but with no luck. Has anyone else encountered this? I am going to run a few more tests to see if maybe bad eggs also appear from leaving eggs in a PC for too long or just randomly appear. Thanks.--[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] 20:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)#

== More ==
In Generation IV,The Action Replay code "Instant Egg In Daycare" will give you a Bad EGG of some sort,(ONLY IF THERE IS NO POKEMON IN DAYCARE) as it doesn't appear in your party, and still takes up a slot. It can't be deposited into a PC, but still counts as a Pokémon. It can be the only member of your party, but when you go to check your party the game freezes. On the Day Care checker Pokétech app the egg doesn't bob up and down, but just stays still.
When hatched, it becomes a glitchy square with what sounds like Bulbasaur's cry. The game freezes when you enter a battle with only this in your party. If you save, YOU ARE SCREWED.
HOPE THIS HELPS! [[User:Team Hyper|Team Hyper]] 16:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky

2009-06-15T15:54:55Z

Team Hyper: /* Release date */

So is this truly MD3, as a sequel to MD2, or is it MD2.5, as a third version to EOT and EOD? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

:Officially PMD3, it's the sequel (or third version, I suppose) to PMD2, carrying the story on where PMD2 left it. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 09:10, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think we can be sure exactly what this game is yet. Dogasu's already calling it the Platinum to MD2. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
::: Unown Lord said the official website also said the same thing. It's Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2 with new quests and starter Pokémon, but it retains all of the plot, content, and things from Time and Darkness. Considering that, we should probably move this page to something that doesn't say Mystery Dungeon 3. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

:Agree. This should be the third version of PMD2. Since its plot is the same.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 14:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::OBJECTION! Clearly, this contradicts that fact that the plot is, in fact, NOT the same. *taps papers* If you recall, Herr Billy, Grovyle and Dusknoir were seen SURROUNDED BE SABLEYE! That is not in the plot of the original PMD2 games! *plays Pursuit - Cornered (Orchestra)* This is a clear contradiction in the witness testimony! Obviously, this game is a direct sequel to the other two PMD2 games! '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 15:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

:: Even with a modified plot/story, it isn't to be understood as a third installment of the Dungeon series - it's still just a third part of PMD2. o.o I'm for moving it to something that doesn't contain "Dungeon 3" as well. --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 23:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

:: Seriously, this can't stay "Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 3". It's not a third installment of the series, it's a third version of the second installment. Regardless of whether it would be "Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky" or something else, it '''can't''' stay "Dungeon '''3'''". Though I really don't see a problem with "Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky" since, the movie articles have [[Arceus:_To_a_Conquering_Spacetime|translated titles]] as well and a redirect would exist for those who try to find "Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 3". o.o --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 03:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm guessing you haven't read the other conversations. The page is protected, and we can't do anything about the title or even update the information on the page. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

:::: You're right, I didn't notice the other discussion. Sorry. Kinda strange to have two of them on one talk page. o.o The fact that the page is protected isn't relevant though. It's better than having people moving it back and froth all the time. --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 03:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: I unprotected it and moved it back to it's correct name. I also corrected the names of the pages for the other games in the series, since NONE of them have sequential numbers in their name. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 05:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

==Starter==
I don't get this line : "Every starter Pokémon from the previous games can now be a partner as well, bringing the total of starting Pokémon to 21, only 19 of which are available to the player, since Meowth and Munchlax can only be selected as partners." What does it mean? You can't pick Munchlax and Meowth as the playing character? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Happizelpom}} ([[User talk:Happizelpom|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|contribs]]){{ #if: 23:57, 20 January 2009 | 23:57, 20 January 2009 |}}''
:Nope. Check the [[starter Pokémon]] page. - '''[[User talk:EspeonA|esp]][[Special:Contributions/EspeonA|eon]][[User:EspeonA|A]]''' 00:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

== Riolu! ==

OK, I swear I put up a line on pic. 1 saying Riolu was the leader of the squad. If the deleter responds, if you remember this, could you please recall exactly what the f***ing h*** I said? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 03:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:Watch the language, please. It's in the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Mystery_Dungeon_3&action=history page history], you can go and look yourself. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah, sorry. Anyways, if you're the deleter, why is it deleted? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Giratina's Embodiment}} ([[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Giratina's Embodiment|contribs]]){{ #if: 20:40, 24 January 2009 | 20:40, 24 January 2009 |}}''
::Check the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Mystery_Dungeon_3&action=history page history] to see for yourself who deleted it and why it was deleted. [[Special:Contributions/EspeonA|—]] '''[[User talk:EspeonA|e]][[User:EspeonA|A]]''' 20:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I did the deletion. I deleted it since I see no need for it to be mentioned, what the caption says is already enough. If I recall, you said that "Riolu ''seems'' to be a leader in this squad, seen holding a Rescue Badge" and the word "seems" don't belong in any article on the mainspace. --☆'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 02:07, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Release date confirmed ==

April 18th, 2009--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 12:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:From? --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 12:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::Serebii confirmed it on his front page with another CoroCoro scan. The box art was revealed as well. [[User:Ryuartyi|Ryuartyi]] 13:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Ahh. The page is protected, so an admin must be the one to add the info. ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 13:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Confirmed also by bluesky, and boxart revealed.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 18:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== Image... ==

Do you like? [[Image:EOS.PNG]] It's from Serebii. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:54, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd say logo for now, and let's wait for an official box art image.×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 02:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::And a clearer one too.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Game Site Updated ==

Pokémon.co.jp was just updated with [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/dungeon_sora/], showing a bunch of story information and other general info. [[User:Ryuartyi|Ryuartyi]] 03:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

It shows that a Skymin will be involved in the story. *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 09:23, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:Plus there's a story that happened in the past, where {{OBP|Wigglytuff|Mystery Dungeon 2 character}} as an {{p|Igglybuff}} is involved. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 09:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Add ==

Could anyone add this: [[Image:Pmd sky giratina.png]] *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 09:35, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'm sure someone could. You could. But, um, .png format is preferred. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::protected *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 09:43, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::D'oh. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:25, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== REAL FREAKIN' TITLE ==

THE REAL TITLE OF THE GAME IS '''Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky''' (and it's not the "third series", it's actually the third version of Darkness/Time!) Can someone with powers move the article? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:This is quiet true. We need an admin to change the title.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::I agree with the witness's statement. I see no "san" in the title. It is a third version, for sure. I demand that an admin move it to the correct title, or else be placed in contempt of court. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 12:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Yeah. Besides, they're EXACTLY THE SAME except for the side-quests and starters. Someone needs to put sidequest info in! If this is a sequel to PMD2, (which it isn't) then Emerald must be a sequel to Ruby/Sapphire! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 18:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::But they didn't move {{g|Mystery Dungeon}} into Pokémon Mystery Dungeon:Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team and {{g|Mystery Dungeon 2}} into Pokémon Mystery Dungeon:Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness. ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 04:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Which leaves us with a quandry. What do we call this page? 3 doesn't fit, as it's not a sequel to 2. Explorers of Sky doesn't fit, as that's not analogous to the other pages. Ideas? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 01:26, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

::::::What about Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2.5? [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 01:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That rankles me, personally. I hate calling anything "n.5" unless it's referred to as such officially. Another idea would be to move the other pages to more standard titles, but then that begs the question as to why they're not at those titles in the first place... --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 01:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Merge to MD2 and make special mention of the third version? Treat it like r/b/y, r/s/e, etc.? (Although that still has the analogousness issue) [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 01:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, just treat it like a third version to the first two, like Emerald is to Ruby and Sapphire. It's not exactly a sequel, since it has the same storyline, just extended. Though that doesn't really work out the title issue... '''~ overgrown'''[[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]] 02:05, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::We should stick to official titles instead of numbers, IMO. It's like referring to The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past as "The Legend of Zelda 3"; it sort of is, sequentially, but not officially. If we don't want to have an awfully long name ("Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness", like [[wp:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Wikipedia does it]]), I'd think we should just simplify it like this: "Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Darkness". Same would apply to PMD1. '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 02:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::::It's been moved to "Explorers of Time and Darkness" before, but it was disagreed upon because it's not one game, but two separate games, and since Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness is too long... '''~ overgrown'''[[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]] 02:29, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Too long as in, MediaWiki can't handle titles of that length? Or too long as in, people thought it looked too long? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 03:26, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's too long to type in the Search bar. [[User:Haruka uzumaki|Trust me, there have been users with a 100+ character subpage before]].'''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 11:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That's the use of redirects. (But I don't support the title change.) --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 11:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with Kevzo8.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:I support Pocket Monsters Mystery Dungeon 2: Explorers of the Sky. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 13:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::I don't care what you all decide it should be called, the whole thing needs to be updated. I mean, heck, even Wikipedia has it updated right for once. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 02:29, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

::: I've been not very active for a while and am not sure about this. How exactly do we come to an agreement for a title? I mean, I could do a move to "Pocket Monsters Mystery Dungeon 2: Explorers of the Sky", but that makes no sense as long as others disagree, especially other sysops. o.o" If this is relevant to the Time/Darkness article title as well, maybe someone from the Editorial Board should join the discussion? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 03:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm against a merge because that's not how we treat the main-series games. But nYoo's idea has some merit. We should stick {{template|search}} tags at the top of each page, but I think it'd work. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 23:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Really, MD2 should be at Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Darkness like the Gen III main games are at Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions, and MD1 at Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red and Blue Rescue Team. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:12, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
As the one who started this page I named this after the pattern of the other articles. Also I wasn't aware this would be an extension of the second games' story. If I still could, I'd move it to [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky]]. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 04:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
== Sunday title. ==

Copied from Filb: In der heutigen Folge 226 der wöchentlichen japanischen TV-Sendung wurde erstmals der neue Pokémon-Mystery-Dungeon-Titel ポケモン不思議のダンジョン空の探検隊 Pokémon Fushigi no Dungeon: Sora no Tankentai, über den wir gestern ausführlich berichteten, erstmals live angespielt.

For those who don't understand German, it basically says, minus some unessecary talking: In EP 226 (Of Pokémon Sunday) a new title ポケモン不思議のダンジョン空の探検隊 Pokémon Fushigi no Dungeon: Sora no Tankentai, which we (Filb) reported yesterday, was referenced.

Understanding no Japanese, I ask if the title differs from the one we currently have. Sunday also apparently talked about some gameplay elements, and debuted Arceus on TV, but given that the release date is still a while yet, they could still be beta. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

: Ah, you misunderstood. It doesn't say anything about a new title for the game. "der neue Pokémon-Mystery-Dungeon-Titel XYZ [...]" = "the new title of the Mystery Dungeon series, XYZ, [...]", as in the new entry or game or whatever. --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 12:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:: booooo [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Wigglytuff's Back Story ==

Now that it's been proven that the Igglybuff in the pictures is Wigglytuff, shouldn't we say he is in the main article. along with that why aren't I allowed to edit the page? {{unsigned|TeamMegaraptor}}
:You aren't allowed to edit the page because it has been locked by the administrators. I do think it should be worth a tiny mention, but we still don't know a lot of information. It will probably be added once the game releases in Japan. [[User:Ryuartyi|Ryuartyi]] 03:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::Well, it's most likely protected so people don't edit it, and then have to change incorrect info. Like how Platinum is protected for that reason. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:44, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon 3 Special ==

Serebii updated with news from Pokéani that there will be a PMD3 special airing on April 12th. I'd start the page, but I'm clueless how to start a special episode page. [[User:Ryuartyi|Ryuartyi]] 01:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's fine. It'll be up eventually. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Add Arceus ==

Could someone upload this: [[Image:Pmd_sky_arceus.png]] [[User:AlienX2008|☆AlienX2008☆]]
:Nope. The page is protected. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

== Serebii.net just got more news on the game! ==

Hi everybody. I just wanted to let you know that over the past couple of days, Serebii.net got more information on the game. Would someone that has permission to edit the article go to Serebii and put the new information about the game on this page please? Also, do the guy a favor who commented above, add the picture of Arceus (it looks cool). Thank You --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Um... yeah. You guys haven't read anything that was already said. We aren't adding anything untill it actually comes out. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:20, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== Update? ==

Is anyone going to update this page?

I would do it myself but I don't know all proper formatting and stuff.[[User:Hyperdudeman|Hyperdudeman]] 00:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:Give it a go. If it's wrong, we'll let you know and fix it up. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== A few questions ==

Does this game still use the same "portraits" we use for the PMD2 side-game sprites? Is Arceus actually available in the game or is there just the statue? Are all of Rotom's forms in this game?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely. Statue only. I don't think so. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:40, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Release date ==

'''N. America - ''October 12, 2009''' Eh? Where did it say this? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 05:17, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:I've asked the adder of the information to explain himself, and I have taken it out of the article for the time being. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::I closed the window and not finding it again.
::hope that I would have been right (though my grammar might be wrong)--[[User:Tobytse99|tobytse]] 14:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:::[http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=176075 fan spec.]--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]'''at 22:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
==The Storylines==
I know the storylines to the special episodes after revising them about 22 times. I can't exactly read what's being said properly, but I can easily give the main outline and put it on the page.
WARNING: IT WILL CONTAIN MANY SPOILERS! --[[User:Team Hyper|Team Hyper]] 15:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-06-14T10:09:13Z

Team Hyper: /* Confirmed? */

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| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

I definitely don't consider this Generation V because while Generation III released the re-releases between the first two games and the additional game which in that case is Emerald, for Generation IV it is the same concept except that the re-releases were released last, kind of like doing it backwards and personally the whole Generation V rumor is false. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I do hope they retain at least the Battle Tower, though i don't think a Battle Frontier will happen again as thats in Platinum already, which means if people want a Battle Frontier they will buy Platinum (so Nintendo can make more cash probably). They might do a Trainer Tower-esque thing like in FR/LG. I wonder if the Red Gyarados will be kept?[[User:494alex]]

::::::::::The red Gyarados should return, as it was one of the major plot points. It was also mentioned in the opening TV thing in Diamond and Pearl, another indicator that it will probably return. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 06:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I bet the version exclusives are Pokémon that have similar evolution that are Version-exclusives like Sneasel and Gligar. {{u|Laxafett}} 17:14, 10 May 2009(UTC)
::::We should wait until they are released. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 00:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's because CoroCoro will likely give us more images within a few days. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::If they had something like a Kingdom Hearts style where you go around beating the crap out of people for money and to steal their Pokémon, THEN we're talking T or M. Otherwise, they'll all be E or E10+. Seriously. The Game Corner isn't that bad. All of the games have gambling anyways, and they've always passed it off. And it's not even close to real gambling where you lose your home if you go into debt, which you can't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::And Nintendo isn't stupid. The won't jump from E to T-M for that reason. They'd lose a lot of money if they do it... and you know, they really don't care even if they're taking the poor children to gambling ---[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 18:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::A lot of things will get you more into gambling than Pokémon ever could, anyway. Like... your own parents. I'd bet E's where it will be, undoubtedly, and I dare the ESRB to have the balls to prove me wrong. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== New gameplay video ==

The new gameplay video reveals the new visual effects. Also aparently your pokemon can now follow you around outside of battle like pikachu in pokemon Yellow. Weather or not this is limited to starter pokemon is unknown. (unless the video states it in japanese, translation of the video is required).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DDps8bHDo
--[[User:CloudHiro|CloudHiro]] 20:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually an OLD video. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::By like two days. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha, I was going to say that - this was just shown on Pokémon Sunday, which is an official source, so it is most definitely the most recent update we have, "old" or not. ;) [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nothing significant is said during that video, CloudHiro, don't worry. It basically amounts to ''Jesus Christ that Chikorita is following him like Ash's Pikachu kajdbgajkdg''—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And here I thought they would have intelligent things to say... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Apparently not... --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

==Wind==

The video shows that New Bark Town now has wind, should this be added? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"Yeh i saw that too"[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 03:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not yet. When we make the "Aesthetic changes" section, then we can add it. And are we even sure it's New Bark Town? That's another reason why. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::The video clearly shows Silver staring into Elm's lab just like he did in G/S/C. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Remember that they're remakes just like FR and LG, the story-line will not change much, it will perhaps just be an extension of something. And about the wind, I saw it too but lets just wait until further details. We can't just keep on editing useless information that will just confuse the reader. It is New Bark, but all this type of discussions should be discuss on forums.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeh i agree, I saw Silver staring at the Big house which they say the Elm`s Lab..You`ve got to learn somthing Hunter Blade kiddo...It is the New Bark Town where Elm`s Lab located....And the [[Chikorita]] thing there, I think that only starters can come out at their Pokéball....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've just noticed something! The sign in New Bark Town says "The Town where the winds of a new beginning blow". Now there really is wind there! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:^<nowiki>*</nowiki>Goes to kill himself* No shit, it's been there from the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|beginning]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sarcastically* WIND!!!! Best feature in the entire game!!!!--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::ZOMFG PURE FLYING CASTFORM!!!one!eleven... Uh... none of this {{bp|talk page|helps the article}}. Get to the forums for this crap. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And people complain about my behavior... [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== First gameplay screenshot ==

Shouldn't we delete that. Not only it isn't showing, but what does it have to do with the article? I think that should be on the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]].--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:One image would be enough. It's an official screenshot, so what made you think it would fit on a speculation page? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 06:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree on the delete part though, get a fresh one, that image is broken. [[User:Pyrix|Pyrix]] 20:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::EVERYTHING'S BROKEN, if no one's noticed yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::So you guys seriously haven't seen every that other page is having this problem? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== JPN release date ==

Someone on [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15813741&postcount=1164 NeoGAF] reposted what is apparently a 2ch post revealing info from this month's CoroCoro on the game. Anyone with good Japanese translation skills able to confirm? ([http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader1012351.jpg Also, a picture of the issue's cover.]) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it related to the game's release date? I didn't see something about HGSS. It says the release is on September 11, reservation is July 18, SRP is 4800 yen, NEPichu to appear in HG, and more info about the movie and event PCPichu.. not sure of this though. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15813741#post15813741 Thread for context.] Yeah, I guess we shouldn't jump the gun, Serebii said that there's several conflicting reports going around right now. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 13:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This month's CoroCoro magazine will be released few moments by now. I think we should wait for the infos. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Eh, the first picture has Lugia and Ho-Oh on it, but I can't see anything else Pokémon related on it. As for the rest of everything, what Kev said. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== CoroCoro Scans ==

Just wondering if/when the info in the new CC should be added to the article, from what I've seen, there is a new girl playable, the notched eared pichu/pikachu colored pichu are involved, and there's a skateboard involved in the game somehow. I'm aware the last 2 are iffy, but something tells me that the new girl would be something to mention. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 14:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

*I would think that showing the picture or mentioning the new girl would be more of a priority than the Pichu since it notes a significant change between Pokemon Crystal and these games. But I am not going to add this without more discussion.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'd say maybe wait to see if slightly better quality scans are created before adding more details. Although they may still be speculative for the time being. Although the fact that there is a new female character does throw a bit of a spanner in the works. First off, we don't know her name or anything else about her other than her look. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::PS - Gold = A really young version of the TF2 Scout?
:::I would think the scans he posted below would be good enough to show that it is indeed a new playable female character. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 15:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It possibly is true. But, we have to what for some better screenshots. Don't add them just yet. Let TTE decide.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 16:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll agree to that and if it can't be posted yet then we'll wait for either offical pictures or a gameplay shot that shows the characters' sprite. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I think we should wait for the magazine to actually hit news-stand on the 15th. It is the 15th right? Either way I don't think we should jump the gun.

P.S. $10 says the new girl trainer's name turns out to be Heart.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 16:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{ga|Leaf}} implies otherwise. I say Soul. No one create an article until we make some consensus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

where in the magazine was the skateboard mentioned? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokébeach have very recently posted an article with higher-resolution quality scans of CoroCoro. Apparently the Touch Screen how displays the in-game menu, although whether or not it is always there, or you have to press a button to activate it is still unknown.
Also they've confirmed the presence of the location graphic that appears when you enter certain areas, á la FR/LG is back. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 11:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:You can still press X to access the menu, I assume if you don't want to use the touch screen, (according to the screencap.)I assume they have it setup this way because they might integrate the radio more into the game, so it lets you change stations more easily. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kris? ==
Can someone who can read Japanese tell me: Doe the magazine specifically say that it is a new girl? I think it may just be a major overhaul of Kris, but if it says so, then it must be an entirely new character.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:The magazine identifies Gold and [Kris] as simply "Protagonist (Boy)" and "Protagonist (Girl)." That's all that's legible for now; let's wait until full scans arrive.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::She really only {{tt|looks like|abstractly...}} Leaf in a version of Kris' clothes and a slightly different hairstyle. And Serebii says that she isn't Kris, although they have been known to get things wrong. They do have a number of Japanese reading users like we do though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe she is a new character, maybe her name could be Soul (ソウル) or Heart (ハート) just like Leaf in FireRed & LeafGreen. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 03:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, nothing is mentioned other than what we know. The description of the girl "An active looking girl. Notice the device hanging from her bag." For the boy, "His cap has a trademarked yellow line. What's that blue device attached to his left hand?" [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 04:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::What could it be, [[PokéGear|oh how I wonder]]... Anyone up for emailing Masuda or Sugimori and asking them personally, "okay, is this Kris and you're screwing with us, and when the hell do we get HGSS?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: I highly doubt that's Kris, seeing as the two look VERY different. Either Kris will appear redesigned again in a possible Crystal remake, or we will never see her again. Perhaps all the "Marina" hints in the anime were just teasing us, but we never know, right? ...and for the record, I'm with ya, TTE. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 12:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would personally rather to email them that we want Crys to be included at least as a NPC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Uh...lets keep the "She's not Kris" whining on the forums. Save the talk page for the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
*Agree with you there Sketch and personally I don't care about this debate personally it was just Nintendo chose to do and it is not that big of a deal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'd have already e-mailed him if anyone had his e-mail lying around.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*on this subject, she isen't replacing kris, since this is a remake of gold and silver, not crystal. and to my recolection, there is no female player in the origanal g&s
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
never mind
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
== Starter following ==

I think it had been made known that your Starter Pokémon will follow you in the whole game. Did it?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Remember, that video is just demonstration on what the game's gonna be like, it may be scrapped and become beta information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Starters may not be the only ones who can follow, it seems safe to assume that it is possible there are many Pokémon that can follow, I came to this conclusion from the Ilex forest image that has been released, it shows your Pikachu coloured pichu outside of its Poké ball, this could possibly indicate that other Pokémon may be able to follow the player. Basically I don't think we should assume that only the starters can follow (like it says in the article) until we have all the facts. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 13:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah after seeing that special Pichu following the trainer I agree until more facts are available to that, if not for that I would have thought only the starters would follow the trainer. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Being that PCP can, I do wonder if shiny starters would look different, too. Either way, yes, waiting on this tidbit is a good idea. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fourth pic ==

How do we know that it shows Kurt's house? Do the CoroCoro scans specifically state that? [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 17:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:There is no mention of it anywhere in the scans or on the website (I read the Japanese.) The text next to the image in the scans simply refers to how your starter will follow you throughout the game. It should be edited. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Don't. It closely resembles the positioning of Kurt's House in [[Azalea Town]]. The gym can be seen below it, and there is a red streak on the western side of the picture resembling a Pokémon Center.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 19:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, but that is just speculation (and a big stretch.) It doesn't hurt to leave it as is and find out whose house exactly it is later on.[[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 20:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Its not really THAT big of a stretch. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 21:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::[[Burned Tower]]. They just made it more elaborate. Like [[Silph Co.]] in Saffron. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I still say the place looks like [[Azalea Town]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I can't picture Azalea Towns having these kinds of streets, as they would go against its village-ish theme. And the house/tower in the pic seems to have a base of concrete under it with stairs, reminiscent of the towers' bases in the original games (Ok, the bases didn't look like they were made of concrete in GSC, but it still looks reminiscent of them). [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ok, maybe. This is getting a bit forumy, you have made your point and fixed it. Anything else goes to forums.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It just looks like re-newed Azalea town so there's no way that isn't kurt's house, i think.--[[User:RegiManiac|RegiManiac]] 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)RegiManiaC
:::::::It's not Kurt's house. It's Burned Tower, Kurt's house is not on an elevated platform (and wouldn't be, he's not THAT important). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It could be either. We should wait and see when the games are released. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Replacement? ==

The article says that the new girl replaces Kris. But seeing as HGSS are specifically Gold/Silver remakes, instead of a Crystal remake, wouldn't it make more sense to say this new girl is just new, not a replacement? Just like the FRLG heroine didn't replace anyone because no female choice existed in RGYB, the HGSS girl replaces no-one as well. But that's just me...what do you think? --[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 23:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:We all have different opinions on the topic; check out the various forum threads. For now, we're proceeding as if it's a different character. We've given her the fan-name {{ga|Soul}} for now. It's hard to say which way we should go. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::i agree with fairy red. she dosen't replace any character, because there is none to replace.
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::In most people's eyes, Kris was "the Johto girl" like May's "the Hoenn girl", Leaf's "the Kanto girl", and Dawn's "the Sinnoh girl". Sure, Kris didn't actually appear as a choice in Gold and Silver, but most consider her to be as much Gold's female counterpart as May is to Brendan, Leaf is to Red, and Dawn is to Lucas. It's not as much "replaced" as it is "included instead of the more logical choice"... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Even though these are remakes of G/S rather than Crystal, the one who had the role of Gold's female counterpart in the franchise was Kris. And now we have Soul filling that role. So yes, we can say that Soul is replacing Kris. [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 02:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would say that it is a matter of how you look at it. Looking at it from the perspective of these being remakes of Gold and Silver, Soul is not replacing Kris. Looking at it from the perspective of Kris being Gold's female counterpart, Soul is replacing Kris. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== All Pokémon NOW Available ==

''As an honorable mention for somewhere on the page'', by now, with the addition of the expected Johto Pokémon in these remakes and the expected time capsule {{tt|to work like the original GS|I remember talking a bit about this on the GS speculation talk page once... FR and LG would take the place of the old Kanto, just remade... Let me explain further... As Gen II was to trade with the old Kanto (Gen I) and back, it is to be expected that this would happen with HGGS, Gen IV, to trade with the old, but remade Kanto (Gen III) and back; the sysytem of the time capsule to be remade itself... (Sorry this is so long)}}, every Pokémon may be now caught in Gen IV main series gameplay as of these GS remakes... Now, I think that it would be an honorable mention... if it could be edited a bit and figured out {{tt|where|I won't do anything with this yet... I'll leave that to TTE or someone in that manner, just so I'm not reckless...}} it would be put on the page... that is, if you decide whether it's really an honorable mention...--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 03:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well I disagree with you, since I believe there will be a new Johto Dex. But also the point of the matter is that until there is a source to clarify what Nintendo is planning to do, there would be no rumors or speculation about this on the games' page.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...what? Seriously, I can't tell what you're saying. As far as catching every Pokémon, what about Groudon and Kyogre? Or the Gen III starters? Heck, we don't even know for sure that Celebi is available. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::They won't touch the GSDex, like they did with the RBDex.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd Like to believe that too, but personally I'd rather wait for a reliable source especially since Nintendo did an expansion of the Sinnoh Dex for Platinum and could easy do the same thing in reverse. Especially with the Kanto Starters, Fossil, and Legendaries near the back of the original Johto Dex. But once further details are released then it would be determined who's right or wrong. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::We should just wait 'til they release it in Japan and see what happens. [[User:galladeon|galladeon]] 14:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Now it's time for the division between "speculation" and "duh". Honestly, I know we pride ourselves on the veracity and such of our information, but honestly, truly, saying that the Johto Gym Leaders don't even have a 100% chance of reappearing is just ''stupid''. Did Kanto get new Gym Leaders in FRLG? No! HGSS is a remake of GS. Silver appears outside Elm's lab. I'll give Kanto being in the games as speculation, because as much as I hope it is, we've not yet seen the eastern border of New Bark in new graphics, leaving room for doubt. Sure, maybe it was unprogrammed as of the demo, fine, but it does leave room for doubt. But seriously, saying that Johto's leaders aren't gonna be the same is like saying Silver's no longer the rival, just some kid standing outside Elm's lab, and that a new villainous team takes the place of Neo Team Rocket.

HGSS is '''''a remake of Gold and Silver'''''. If you're all so gung-ho about removing "speculation" that Falkner, Bugsy, Whitney, Morty, Chuck, Jasmine, Pryce, and Clair will be in HGSS, I don't know why you've not yet even said "oh just speculation that these are remakes, we won't know for sure until we've compared every plot detail to GS and made sure they're just as similar to them as FRLG are to RG," and label these as "new games set in a mysterious new region".

It's just as much speculation that there are screenshots of Slowpoke Well and Ilex Forest, too, that the Gym Leaders will change. You know, despite them looking like revamped versions of the GS areas, we can ''never'' be sure...

Echidna has spoken. All eight Johto Gym Leaders are part of Gen IV and HGSS as much as the eight Kanto ones are part of FRLG. If you wanna assume Kanto's in HGSS, too, go for it. I mean, honestly, these anti-speculation measures are far too ridiculous at this point if you're "playing it safe" like this. Hell, if BP were around when FRLG were announced as much as it is now, we'd have you guys screaming about how "it's not proven that the Seafoam Islands and Cerulean Cave will appear in FRLG"...

And that's my rant. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Kanto speculation is one thing, but these are friggin' GS remakes, there is no way in teh fiery pit that the Johto gym leaders aren't there. They'll be keeping all major elements of the region intact. I'll bet they're gonna include Kanto, too, I see no reason why they wouldn't. There's no proof that they're including it, true, but neither is there evidence to the contrary. Plus, what would they do about the Pokemon League? And by the way, that shot of Gold in front of some building that everyone is arguing about, I strongly believe it's the Burned Tower. Honestly, what's more likely to be raised up on a pedestal and look all badass and awesome and junk? An ancient tower with great historical significance that houses the legendary gerbils? Or the house of some old fart who makes Poké Balls? Plus, the roads are paved, which kinda says more of "Ecruteak City" than "Azalea Town" to me. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

::I say yes too. I doubt they'll change anything. And if they do, oh well. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::They changed the female player. Big deal. Kris is most likely gone forever. So what? Get over it. It's a remake. It's SUPPOSED to have {{tt|minor|not including revamped graphics and stuff}} changes, although this is pretty big for a minor. Nothing spectacular changed for the Kanto remakes, all they did was add a female player, the Sevii Islands, and slightly extend the Team Rocket plot. Deal with it, or just ignore the fact that there are remakes coming out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Please, stop saying that. We ''have'' gotten over it. It's the people who complain about the complaints who keep complaining.
::::TTE: Who's saying otherwise? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Check out the revision history on Bugsy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well R.A., you should've understood (if you haven't yet) that the reason for Kris not supposedly being in HGSS is because they're GS remakes and not Crystal's. And since Kris was introduced in Crystal, it wouldn't make sense to put her where she doesn't fit, don't you think? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 10:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't mean that people aren't spazzing about Kris not being in there, even if they're told she wasn't even IN G/S. People need to learn to grow up and deal with what happens, even if they don't like it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Couldn't agree more with you. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pokemon lover: If it's okay for the R/G remakes to borrow stuff from other games (some GSC Pokémon; many Gen II and III items, including the RSE berries and the HM to learn Waterfall; some GSC music themes), then why would it be so wrong for a G/S remake to borrow stuff from Crystal (such as Kris)?
:::::::::Before anyone tells me to get over it, I'm not complaining about Kris not being included. I'm just questioning the logic in saying "These are GS remakes, so including anything that comes from Crystal would seem out of place". [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 18:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Me two cents (A few days late) there's things that are speculation to assume they'll be in, but there's things that are more speculative to assume they're not in. Complicating matters slightly is that Kris was one of those things, but really, still in are: the leaders, team rocket, the starters, kanto, the basic plot. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::The whole thing we've been talking about, Spideym, is that people tried/have/talked about adding crap that won't happen. See the first thing that TTE said to start the section to understand. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I was replying to Pokemon lover, not TTEchidna. And no, I don't think TTE was talking about what you're saying. Read his comment again. He was ranting about how the fact that people seem to believe that we shouldn't assume until confirmation that stuff like the Johto Gym Leaders is going to come back in these remakes, is ridiculous, as common sense tells us that they WILL be there. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 06:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::::No, he's right. We shouldn't assume they'll add anything new. They'd never add "crap that won't happen." Pokémon following you around? Ridiculous. That'll never happen in a main series game except for yellow. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

And yet, it was revealed that ALL 493 Pokemon are capable of following you. So, do you STILL think it won't happen, hmm? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|PokemonMasterJamal3}} ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PokemonMasterJamal3|contribs]]) ''
:[[wiktionary:sarcasm|I think you're missing the point.]] I was trying to point out to RAHB the flaw in his argument.--[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Sorry about that. {{unsigned|PokemonMasterJamal3}}

== Generation II Pokémon Platinum sprites ==

I don't know if this is being discussed elseware, but I've noticed that in the trivia sections of certain Generation II Pokémon that received updated colours in their Platinum sprites it's not being mentioned that this happened to alot of other Pokémon.

Their colours are changed so that they match their original colours from Gold and Silver as a hint to the fact that the Gold and Silver remakes were going to be released in a few months time.

For example, in Porygon2's trivia section it mentions that Porygon's sprite colours didn't change in Platinum as if no connection had been made to the G/S remakes.

Surely other people have made this connection, or is it just not being mentioned? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 08:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:No, Just because it's similar too their original sprites, doesn't mean it was a hint.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, so your saying that the Generation II Pokémon having the sprite changes to reference their original sprites in G/S and then the G/S remakes being announced a few months after is a complete co-incidence? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 11:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:::No, but that sort of thing could mean nothing. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia and Ho-Oh ==

Ho-Oh and Lugia in the 3rd Generation games were only available from the event-exclusive Navel Rock. Before the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, the only way to them in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, was through Pal Park. However, with the release of HG and SS, now you can get them by trading with HG/SS.

Should it be added to their Trivia sections that they are the only Pokemon to initially be event-exclusive and then be available normally? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

:Generation II they were available normally... ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 02:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that, but then should it be said that they are the only ones to be available normally (GEN 2), then event-exclusive (GEN 3), then available normally (GEN 4)? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:When a piece of trivia gets that contrived, no. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::Pf, event-exclusive? I got my Lugia in XD. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

==The Release Date Isn't Fall 2009, It's in September==

According to the Japanese website, it's coming out in specifically September, not just "Fall". http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pokemon.co.jp%2Fgame%2Fds%2Fhgss%2F&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0= [[User:Igglybuff63|Igglybuff63]] 18:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, Google's wrong. "2009年秋" (which Google is calling "September 2009" because it's just an awful thing to use) is "year 2009, autumn".—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::I examined the address of the japanese site that Google is translating and this '''www.pokemon.co.jp''' lodged in there and found it is from the official pokemon site in japan so the release month may in fact be legit. Course the exact date still needs released for this game to prove where the real date is. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Are you reading? There ''isn't'' a release month because the site says "autumn" and nothing else.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Just so you're aware I even if this page wasn't protected I wouldn't have added the month to this site without further consensus or the exact date to do so since I try to avoid obvious mistakes if possible. Besides there no other sources besides this so I won't do anything beyond this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I might as well mention that September would be written as 9月 in Japanese (note the use of Arabic numerals for months). --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pedometer a.k.a. PokéWalk ==

Supposedly, there's a pedometer that will come with the game, and you can upload a Pokémon to it. Then, you can walk around, and the Pokémon will supposedly gain experience. I'm not kidding. If you think I'm crazy, then check out these links: [http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=84986] [http://pokebeach.com/] Shouldn't this be mentioned here, especially when the first link has a video from Pokémon Sunday (a primary source)? [[User:Blaziken257|Blaziken257]] 05:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:This pedometer is going to be called the PokéWalk. Additionally it was announced on Pokémon Sunday (6/7/09) and is also at Serebii(http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml). Also, I started on it in the [[Sandbox]] but was told to hold off on doing anything with it. Lastly, there is a picture on the Serebii newspost. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 05:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hmmm, it looks interesting, and given that you have at least one reliable source, then write something up and see what the others think. However, one thing that those pictures on Serebii indicate is that the HG/SS Pokémon might be using the <strike>Platinum</strike> D/P (oops!) sprites, unless that's just a filler. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe only some of the Pokemon in HGSS use Plat sprites. FR/LG and R/S used the same Pikachu sprite, after all. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 18:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I already wrote up something and asked two admins. It is located in the [[sandbox]]. I was told by the admins to hold off until more information is available. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 18:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::I just noticed the [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/HeartGold%2C_SoulSilver_to_come_with_pedometer Bulbanews article], so I'd say something brief should be added to the article. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 18:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Don't get your jaws in an uproar, guys. I added the info. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== More CoroCoro info out ==

So [http://pokebeach.com/2009/06/kyogre-groudon-and-rayquaza-in-heartgold-and-soulsilver apparently more scans are out] with info about the Hoenn legendary trio, and some info about a possible tie-in with the Movie 12 Arceus. Any info that's actually worthwhile to add in? '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

*Well the way I can figure it from my analysis is that the the three Hoenn Legendaries have a better chance of being posted on this page first being that is more notable than the Arceus event. But once an administrator makes the choice it doens't matter to me if it will be full, partial, or no addition to the page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::They're both gonna be put up... don't worry about it. The admins would already know about it without people asking. They're like vultures over a dying animal. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::It should all be there now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Boxart now revealed==
Firstly I would like to applaud you Sketch for removing the unneeded images since I had the same idea myself about not wanting the section to be too overcrowded.

But now the Boxart has been revealed as CoroCoro scans I am wondering if it should be posted because of its importance or postponed till better images are aquired? Course I am willing to wait over being too hasty. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:If I can have an opinion, I would say we should hold off as the news article said the Lugia and Ho-Oh on the box are don't match the official Japanese website. The only thing that could actually verify it that I would agree with is if someone compared the Lugia and Ho-Oh with the Lugia and Ho-Oh that were revealed on Pokémon Sunday, if they match then I would say it is a go... -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 17:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

:: *pokes notice at the page's top* '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Last comment has my support since this was intended to affect when the box art should be posted on the page at some point in the near future and this is not supposed to be a forum chat. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 18:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

::::I was talking about the "everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK" and the "We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows" parts. Sorry about the confusion. And I appreciate that you aren't spazzing like some users who would if you were them... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::It is because I am a patient person who is used to waiting and since this has value I just wanted to know what the game plan was. I may watch over this page, but I only comment when I feel I need to. If this situation had little importance like an average screenshot then I wouldn't have done anything. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 18:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::That's fine. I'm making sure you know. A lot of people tend to miss those, even though they're bigger than anything else on the page. xD '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::My opinion on the boxart: too small at the current time for our purposes. We'll get it up probably in a few weeks when it appears on websites and such in high-res format. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Agree with you there since the boxart is mixed in with the Magazine scan and it is better to wait for pictures that have no magazine scan in them. So this pretty much ends the discussion of the topic of when the should the boxart pictures should be posted on this page. No need to add anything to the discussion at this point -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== New Area ==

I put in a bit about the new area near the National Park, but it was removed a few hours later with the comment "We'll wait until we know what that area is". We don't even know for sure that Soul isn't Kris (and that her name is Soul), yet she has an entire article. Should my thing be put back in? --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 03:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see a reason to mention it yet. We don't even know what it is. You weren't supposed to be able to edit the article anyway. The protection expired. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 10:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::On the one hand, it's official information. On the other hand, it's not much information. I guess we'll wait until we know more, although I agree that too many BP users are revert-happy. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

==Confirmed?==
All 493 Pokemon can follow you? Is that correct? I mean, I can't imagine a Pokemon the size of Regigigas following me into a house. {{User|Team Hyper}}
:Yeppers. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Steelix sprite appears to be no bigger than the player, and we know how big they are. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Just because there is a picture with a wobbufett, pichu, cyndaquil, and steelix doesn't necessarily mean all 493 Pokémon can follow you around. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 02:39, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Apparently the Japanese text on the scans confirms it. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:42, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps... There's a restriction for certain exotic Pokémon, So if you want to take your Giratina for a walk, you'll probably get a message like, "It's too big!".
The scans may say otherwise, but I can see this happening. Evidence for this is that Rayquasa appears in-game, and his sprite is pretty large, so I really think there'll be restrictions of sort. [[User:Team Hyper|Team Hyper]]

User:Team Hyper

2009-06-13T16:31:24Z

Team Hyper:

Hi! Some of you may have heard of me, as most of my accounts have "Hyper" in them. I'm a "friendly hacker", as I spend my hacking stuffs helping to fix errors. I like trying out glitches in games, and if there's a question about any glitch you may be stuck in I might be able to help you out.
Please don't ask me to give you cheat codes. I don't like that.
Anyways, I've been playing Pokemon games since late 2007, (Yeah, I'm new) but I'm really into the series, and I'm a champion at Mystery Dungeon games.
If you want to battle my L33T team,(shown below) ask and I'll sort something out.

==Mah Team==
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==First Pokémon Game EVER Played==
[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team]]

==Trivia==
*It should be noted that the Team Hyper Wigglytuff is nicknamed "Master". It is the only Pokémon belonging to Team Hyper to have a nickname.
*Another thing about the "Master" is that it knows moves from a Jigglypuff moveset. It would originally have basic Wigglytuff moves, but the Jigglypuff itself evolved at Level 100.
*The main Team Hyper Pokémon are practically the same, however, they are not traded to new games, meaning there is a seperate Team Hyper for each game.
*Munchlax has a hacked moveset in [[Platinum]]. It knows [[Rock Smash]], [[Surf]], [[Stockpile]] and
[[Last Resort]].

User:Team Hyper

2009-06-13T14:38:52Z

Team Hyper: /* Trivia */

Hi! Some of you may have heard of me, as most of my accounts have "Hyper" in them. I'm a "friendly hacker", as I spend my hacking stuffs helping to fix errors. I like trying out glitches in games, and if there's a question about any glitch you may be stuck in I might be able to help you out.
Please don't ask me to give you cheat codes. I don't like that.
Anyways, I've been playing Pokemon games since late 2007, (Yeah, I'm new) but I'm really into the series, and I'm a champion at Mystery Dungeon games.
If you want to battle my L33T team,(shown below) ask and sort something out.

==Mah Team==
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==Trivia==
*It should be noted that the Team Hyper Wigglytuff is nicknamed "Master". It is the only Pokémon belonging to Team Hyper to have a nickname.
*Another thing about the "Master" is that it knows moves from a Jigglypuff moveset. It would originally have basic Wigglytuff moves, but the Jigglypuff itself evolved at Level 100.
*The main Team Hyper Pokémon are practically the same, however, they are not traded to new games, meaning there is a seperate Team Hyper for each game.
*Munchlax has a hacked moveset in [[Platinum]]. It knows [[Rock Smash]], [[Surf]], [[Stockpile]] and
[[Last Resort]].

User:Team Hyper

2009-06-13T14:38:14Z

Team Hyper: /* Mah Team */

Hi! Some of you may have heard of me, as most of my accounts have "Hyper" in them. I'm a "friendly hacker", as I spend my hacking stuffs helping to fix errors. I like trying out glitches in games, and if there's a question about any glitch you may be stuck in I might be able to help you out.
Please don't ask me to give you cheat codes. I don't like that.
Anyways, I've been playing Pokemon games since late 2007, (Yeah, I'm new) but I'm really into the series, and I'm a champion at Mystery Dungeon games.
If you want to battle my L33T team,(shown below) ask and sort something out.

==Mah Team==
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==Trivia==
*It should be noted that the Team Hyper Wigglytuff is nicknamed "Master". It is the only Pokémon belonging to Team Hyper to have a nickname.
*Another thing about the "Master" is that it knows moves from a Jigglypuff moveset. It would originally have basic Wigglytuff moves, but the Jigglypuff itself evolved Level 100.
*The main Team Hyper Pokémon are practically the same, however, they are not traded to new games, meaning there is a seperate Team Hyper for each game.
*Munchlax has a hacked moveset in [[Platinum]]. It knows [[Rock Smash]], [[Surf]], [[Stockpile]] and
[[Last Resort]].

User talk:Kevzo8

2009-06-13T13:57:15Z

Team Hyper: /* AIM */

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== Re: Hi ==

Oh, wow. I didn't know there was a limit, but I'll keep that in mind from now on, and I'll get to making edits. That's why I signed up, after all. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 11:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:Thank you. =) I figured since I'm going to be here for a while, I may as well make it look appealing. And thanks for not snapping at me, as some admins/higher-ups over on Wikipedia sometimes do. Cheers, again. [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 12:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::I'll contribute where I can! I'm actually not quite sure where to start, though. And, as a matter of fact, yes, <code>-moz-border-radius</code> is used, but it's mainly on user pages, and not in the mainspace, as far as I can tell. I don't think it's gotten widespread usage on Wikipedia because it's not compatible with all browsers, I think. On that note, I just read another guideline saying it's a bad idea to make more talk page edits than mainspace edits, so I think I should cut this out for now, so I don't get in trouble again. =) [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 12:19, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== QUESTION?? ==

Is it dangerous?
[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 12:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:YESS. Uhm, what? If you mean the userspace abuse, [[Special:ListUsers/abuse|yes it is]]. Just read the {{bp|Userspace policy}} + the green box on your talk page. It would help. And don't double post plz. Thanks, '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 12:50, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== How??? ==

How do you put Usertags in ur userpage???pls help me

[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 04:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
<code><nowiki>{{User TAG}}</nowiki></code>. As simple as that. See the list [[:Category:User tags|here.]] '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 04:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image errors ==
I've been meaning to ask this for a long time, but you know what's wrong with the pics all of a sudden? It shows errors when changing the size. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 13:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:It's due to the server change, as far as I know. There are also a sort of {{ut|TTEchidna#ERROR|glitch}}, like [[File:DP105.png|240px]] results an error, and when resized, seems fine like this: [[File:DP105.png|150px]]. Odd, eh? '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 13:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
::The pic's usually fine when the size is either 200px or 240px. Nothing in between..... [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 13:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

YeH right i saw that too in Kevzo8 page...
[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

:Kev since the High touch image is not working , I have replaced it . But that I have done in the Futureepisode template. So the template in the 127 episode must be changed. But due to some reason it is protected. So , will the template work for now? And why is the episode protected ? --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::Patience my friend. Don't need to replace any Image due to a glitch.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 12:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::re-quote: "Patience is a virtue." Admins handle the glitch. Don't worry about it. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 03:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Subject ==

Hello, The new pictures from Pokémon Heart Gold and Soulk Silver is here take a look....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 14:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:HGSS NewBark Serebii.JPG]]
:Okay thanks I regularly check news don't comment me like this again please. Thanks, '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 03:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== You wouldn't happen to know how to... ==

Change what articles are on the "Articles needing a party template" would you? Because I did Shelly's party today and Tabitha's a day or two ago. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:PR made it fast. o_o '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 03:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::It's how I roll. :D. I watch the Recent Changes. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 04:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh sorry, I forgot you're how "Welcoming" powers work.. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 04:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I am the welcome bot. <code>I keep a constant watch over everything and everyone.</code> lol...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 04:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I KNEW I had a stalker out there somewhere... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::He's not just YOUR stalker. He's MY stalker. EVERYONE'S stalker. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Do you sit there hitting refresh all the time.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::On slow days I do. XD. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Hey did you... ==

Did you erase the page Gio12 because i just made it yesterday in now its gone...[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 01:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Ow wait no need for replying that question i just found it sorry....Thanks for the reminder...bye[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 01:45, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Can i ask how can i be an admin please...[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 08:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Not asking helps. But if you really want to know, lurk at the site, search for it. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 08:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>:</nowiki>D--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow good joke??I`m very very thank you hehehe......hmmm[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 09:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Speaks in Filipino* Hindi yun joke. Totoo yun. Lol. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 09:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

You can speak Filipino???[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 13:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Indeed. I am a Filipino. You're from Philippines as well, are you? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeh im a filipino...[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 02:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Do i have my..... ==

Could you give me one last chance, Because i always forgot....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 02:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ur from... ==

Ur from Philippines right..You`re a player of Platinum too...where did you buy Platinum version, in Mall of Asia,SM manila,SM Centerpoint,Landmark etc...where cause i want to buy one..[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:This is not the place to talk about such topics, please. {{bp|Talk page|Read}}. If you want desperately want to talk about that, talk to me {{u|Kevzo8#Contacts|somewhere.}} I'm always on. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 07:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok i understand...sorry[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Aqua Tail ==

Well I suppose the problem was different because it didn't displayed the usual thumbnail error message that appeared normally but they were replace by None.png (when we look at the code it is the option by default). Now I know better and won't do an update if the pictures aren't showing in the preview [[User:Yohrd|Yohrd]] 13:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:The old pictures that weren't used since the error was first seen are fine, but when updated, it the image would get messed up. Basically, thumbnailing causes the error to show up. Actually, they weren't replaced by None.png, but instead, didn't showed at all. It sometimes happens. Nice job for your effor though ^__^ '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 14:04, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Well I try to make each edit count in a way. But I think you misunderstand (I'm not a native english speaker, so I tend to worry I don't make myself clear), because there were two space blank the size of the picture that linked to the picture None.png. That's why I suspected the error came from the template this time. I don't doubt what you say, because I know that you are quite active in the community (lurking in the Recent changes page does that), but I just wanted to make everything clear. That will be the last message over this issue that I'll made unless something new come in the foreground. [[User:Yohrd|Yohrd]] 15:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Can you please..? ==

Bro...In the [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Version|New Game`s pictures]], the starter follows the [[Gold|Trainer]] wherever it goes, right?, Why are those changes not yet present on the game`s Aeshetic Pages? Is it unconfirmed?[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 12:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:It may be scrapped and become beta information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 12:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::It's in the gameplay changes btw. Seriously Gio12, read before you say.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 12:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

==[[DP127]] Battle Document==
I noticed that you removed my battle documentary for [[DP127]]. Not to object, but I also did the same thing for [[DP101]]. Is there a specific rule for documenting battles, or should it be covered in a full synopsis? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 14:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:It's not me, blame {{u|J-J-M}}. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=DP127&curid=74284&diff=760831&oldid=760712 Look.] The username on the right is the user who took that out. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 14:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Oops, just realized my mistake, read it wrong. I'm so sorry for bothering you. I'll get right on it. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 14:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's fine, just make sure you check then recheck before commenting on someone regarding reverts next time ^__^ '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 14:54, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Your deletion of "Bulbapedia:Citation needed" ==

Do you mind explaining why my policy goes against the rules?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:It is TTE decision whether pages need citation.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::You need to ask permission from {{bp|administrators}} first for creating such pages, because you placed it in Bulbapedia namespace and would count as rule/policy/guideline/adminstration. Only permitted user or admin can make such page, or you can place it as a subpage first as a proposal. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 15:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Do you mind restoring it so that I can add <nowiki>{{Policy|policy|proposed}}</nowiki> to the top of it?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It was kinda... deleted.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, I do not have the ability to do that. Ask the {{u|Shiningpikablu252|person}} who deleted it. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 15:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

:Proposed policies go as User namespace subpages, not in the Bulbapedia namespace. That's the main reason I made the deletion in the first place: because proposed policies do not go in the same namespace as official ones. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Okay. Thanks for that--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::How many citations does Bulba need anyway? We take 90% of our information from the games and anime, which if you're on this wiki you LIKELY take information from anyway and thus would know when something's bullshit. We're not discussing earthshattering theories. And Wikipedia sucks. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::TTEchidna, please read over the discussion over at [[Bulbapedia talk:Blocking policy]]. Swearing is not acceptable. I can understand I'm not supposed to tell you off given that you're the boss, but be careful. There could be children reading this.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 11:22, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

==Hi!==
Hi Kevzo8! I'm new here in the bulbapedia and I from Brazil, so I'm sorry if my english is bad...
well, but i have some question, and I hope that you can help me.

The article of [[Ash's Charizard]] has some problems and I can't resolve them.
Example:
I'm trying put two news images in the article(One of Charizard debut and another Charizard Semic toss), but the bulbapedia don't let do is. Is there some thing that i can do to change this?

And the another problem is...
Ash's Charizard is a male Pokémon, because he has a affair(or a date) with [[Liza]]'s Charizard, [[Charla]], that is female so he is a boy...

and the last problems is...
I tried change the image of ash and charizard for a better but i can't do this too.

well that's all...
I hope that you can help me, and I'm sorry for my english...
Obrigado(thank you in brazilians portuguese)!

[[User:Pedraito|Pedraito]] 17:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Heya, I'm not Kevo but I can help you out. Have you made sure that the name of the file is correct, and did you successfully upload it to the Bulbagarden Archives?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 18:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Pedraito, don't you mean Se'''is'''mic Toss? Also, if you're talking about news images, try [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Front_page Bulbanews]--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 11:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, Typo Man. Anyway, Pedraito got it in the end, but it was reverted for another image, thus starting another edit.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Forgive him/her Twmps, he/she explained before that he/she isn't an English geek. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 11:26, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::And Pedraito, it's very safe to assume Charizard is male, but it isn't confirmed. Charizard could be gay for all we know, but it's slim because it's aimed at kids. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|Toto]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|dile]]''' 00:59, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== Sig ==

How do you put these (☆) in your sig? There's no character palette. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|Toto]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|dile]]''' 00:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:Copy/Paste.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks! --'''[[Totodile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:Alpha Totodile|A]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|T]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|♂]]''' 01:58, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== origins ==

those should have all been <nowiki>[[Pokémon trainer]], not {{pkmn|trainer}}</nowiki> ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, I was just trying to relink and don't change anything. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 02:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
::I lied, you were right. Don't listen to what I told you in this section because I was wrong. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 12:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::: ;_; I'm not gonna trust you from now on. D: '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

== Hi ! ==

[[Image:Movie 12 Poster.png|right|thumb|200px|Movie 12 New Poster]]
Hi Kevzo8, i just want to say that you usually post the news on bulbapedia.
That's why i thought that i should inform you and it might be useful to create a news about the new poster of Movie 12.
Today a brand new poster of Pokemon Movie 12 has been released (Source :PokeBeach).
Sheena looks like she is going to be a very important movie character considering her position in the poster (Sorry for the bad english).

--♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 06:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:I thought about that too, but, uhm, nothing important except the poster was revealed, so I decided not to. It was originally posted from Serebii.net forums, then posted at the BMGf, but the official source, I'm not sure where. And besides, we can't just speculate how important Sheena's role is with just one poster without further info revealed. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 06:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey Kevin i think that we should inform the Bulbanews 'bout that new poster, since i have discover that new poster too, i think that you should change ur mind. Well that last poster was pretty old, the one on the movie12 article, So i think we should use a new pic. Caring"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 12:19, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:The poster's been there since May 29. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== AIM ==

Tomorrow I'd advise you get on it.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 05:17, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'll try, but I'd be around 12:30 UTC or later...Or could we discuss it here? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 14:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
==Hello!==
Uh, How do you put Pokemon nicknames in the table of trainer Pokemon or whatever it's called?
(e.g., my Wigglytuff's nickname is Master, I've tried putting a redirect like this "[[Wigglytuff|Master]]" but it doesn't work, as it looks all messy.) {{User|Team Hyper}}

User:Team Hyper

2009-06-13T10:56:18Z

Team Hyper:

Hi! Some of you may have heard of me, as most of my accounts have "Hyper" in them. I'm a "friendly hacker", as I spend my hacking stuffs helping to fix errors. I like trying out glitches in games, and if there's a question about any glitch you may be stuck in I might be able to help you out.
Please don't ask me to give you cheat codes. I don't like that.
Anyways, I've been playing Pokemon games since late 2007, (Yeah, I'm new) but I'm really into the series, and I'm a champion at Mystery Dungeon games.
If you want to battle my L33T team,(shown below) ask and sort something out.

==Mah Team==
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Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 1

2009-06-13T10:51:30Z

Team Hyper: /* New Area */

{| style="background: #f3bc00; border: 5px solid #93abc3; width: 100%; -moz-border-radius: 25px; padding: 5px"
|- align="center"
| <big><big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the content. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''</big></big></big>

By the way, everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK to any and all information concerning HGSS. Cool it. We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows.
|}{{-}}

==Images==
Uh, what's up with the images? I wanna see the covers NOW!!! [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 04:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Request denied. We've just moved over to a new setup so there's a glitch in the thumbnails. No game boxart has yet been released, all we have is the logo. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't we simply use the HeartGold and SoulSilver logos that are currently on the Japanese Nintendo website?
It's the official visual representation of the new games currently, so my opinion is that they are best used until other official images are revealed.
*They're not showing up due to a glitch, as TTEchidna already stated. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 06:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Players ==

Why does it say "2 players simultaneous"? The others say "1-4 players simultaneous", is it a mistake or did Nintendo just changed the whole idea behind the gameplay?[[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing that's coz nothing's confirmed, but its fairly obvious that the two-player connection will remain. While it's quite likely the likes of the Union Room will let more than two players connect at once, I'll let TTE make that call. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Unless we hear from Nintendo that this game is only possible to play with two people I really think it should at least read "1-2 players simultaneous." Multiplayer-only games exist, but it would be extremely unprecedented if this was one of them--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

Shouldn't this game be a Generation V game? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 11:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see why, as long as it's fully compatible with DPP. We'll find out more later, I guess. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 11:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::Generation V would introduce new Pokémon. As this is a remake, we're leaning towards Gen IV. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::But didn't the originals open Gen II? This could just be the front cover of the Gen V book. They can program in new Pokémon and not use them if they like. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::But [[FireRed and LeafGreen]] did not start Generation III.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 11:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::You're missing the point, as Gen II introduced the [[Time Capsule]] which blocked current generation data entering the previous generation. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::No Gywall, once again, it is you who is missing the point. Just as FireRed LeafGreen were the same generation, so will be HeartGold and MoonSilver.[[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::They're Gen IV games. Dammit, everyone quit wishing for Gen V or the end of Pokémon already. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hah, Gywall got told. Isn't it obvious they are Gen 4? I really cant understand how people think they could be Gen 5? What has changed between them and Platinum? Nothing is what. [[User:Max King|Max King]] 17:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm going to make one point here ''really'' clear right now. While I have absolutely no authority to do this, if you are wishing for the end of Pokémon, I see no reason why you should be here, and I'm going to have to ask whoever is wishing for the end to leave. Generation V, however, you can wish for all you like, but its not likely to appear until at least 2010, possibly even 2011.--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 15:18, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Its likely to appear when the next portable Nintendo game system is out.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 15:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I see even more proof that these are NOT going to be Gen V games (which you guys seem to have missed). What are the only times a new region has been introduced in the main series games? AT THE START OF A GENERATION. HG & SS are NOT '''introducing''' a ''new'' zone, they're '''returning''' to an ''old'' zone. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, and remember that new generations have come out when a new ''GameBoy'' or ''Nintendo'' portable console is introduced. Wish will likely happen in 2011, because of the usual two year gap. I also wanted them to be gen. V, but that would've messed up the two year gap.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 04:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't forget that besides introducing a whole new region, each generation starts with new player characters!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 10:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They can't really be considered Generation V, since they don't introduce a new region, new Pokemon, and new player characters. Nintendo will have probably released the successor to the DS by the time Generation V starts. Besides, FireRed and LeafGreen were remakes of Red and Blue, but they were still considered Generation III because they were released on GBA and could communicate with Ruby and Sapphire. So, HeartGold and SoulSilver should still be considered Generation IV. [[User:Link 486|Link 486]] 15:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave off Gywall. He/She is missing a few brain cells.{{u|Laxafett}} 17:05, 10 May 2009(UTC)

I definitely don't consider this Generation V because while Generation III released the re-releases between the first two games and the additional game which in that case is Emerald, for Generation IV it is the same concept except that the re-releases were released last, kind of like doing it backwards and personally the whole Generation V rumor is false. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Link for the french article ==
Since there has been no announcement for an european release yet, the french article bears a tentative title :
[[fr:Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)|Pokémon versions Coeur d'Or et Âme d'Argent (Noms pressentis)]]. Godspeed ! --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 11:10, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, thanks, I've updated the interwiki link. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Another Feeble suggestion==
Should we mix in the article about the Gold and Silver Remake rumor into this one. Its good to give an insight to what happened before the games release.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe just a "See also" [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:36, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes yes Link the rumer page to this but what of Crystal? Pokémon Crystal Mind? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|☆]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:Seeing as there may not be a third game remake, Crystal has nothing to do with these gems--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Actually, you never really know. They might include some Crystal elements in the G/S remakes, the most obvious of which (aside from gender choice which has since become standard) would probably be the {{jo|Battle Tower}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or another Battle Frontier, bringing the total to 3, reminding that 2 of them are in Gen IV. And the probability is that they include all the elements from Crystal in HG/SS, like they did include all the elements from Blue in FR/LG. Yellow doesn't count as it was the fourth Gen I game and it was a special version rather than a common version, even though it had improvements over Blue and introduced prototypes of game mechanics that would make their real final introduction in G/S. That's why they didn't remake it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Erm... There wasn't much to include from Blue. And what elements from Blue do you see in FR/LG? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, maybe there aren't that much elements (if any) from Blue taken to FR/LG but the only reason I mentioned them was for the sake of comparison. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm... no elements of Blue in FRLG? The cries? The catch rates? The fact that it was translated? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:40, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::If anything, they'll include from Crystal the legendary gerbils' battle music, Sneasel appearing in the Ice Cave, and Weezing in the Burnt Tower (I hope!), but not much else. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 11:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, with the exception of the cries (they're from R/G; Blue didn't change them), you're right, TTE. And as for Missingno. Master, of course they'll include much more from Crystal than that, IMO. =D [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I do hope they retain at least the Battle Tower, though i don't think a Battle Frontier will happen again as thats in Platinum already, which means if people want a Battle Frontier they will buy Platinum (so Nintendo can make more cash probably). They might do a Trainer Tower-esque thing like in FR/LG. I wonder if the Red Gyarados will be kept?[[User:494alex]]

::::::::::The red Gyarados should return, as it was one of the major plot points. It was also mentioned in the opening TV thing in Diamond and Pearl, another indicator that it will probably return. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 06:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Version-exclusives between Japanese and English versions ==

I'm surprised no one thought on this yet, even though it's all speculation right now. But do you think they'll do the same as in G/S? I mean, for some odd reason, Nintendo of America switched Teddiursa and Ursaring to Gold while Phanpy and Donphan were switched to Silver. In the Japanese versions, it's the opposite. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Most likely, they'll include the English Version-Exclusives as they did with the R/G ->R/B remakes. (FYI, They kept the version-exlusives as they were in Red and Blue, though this doesn't prove anything because of the Japanese R/G/B fiasco.) [[User:Dark_Boye|Da]][[User talk:Dark_Boye|rk Bo]][[User:Dark_Boye|ye]] 00:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::FRLG's exclusives were messed with with regards to RG. RB had the same exclusives as RG, FRLG messed with it. The Psyduck and Slowpoke families weren't originally exclusives, while the Mankey and Meowth families were, nor were Shellder's and Staryu's families. For the most part they remain the same between I and III. I'd bet similarly on this. Plus, we used Red and Green in Gen III, so I'd bet they'll keep with the original exclusives, if both families aren't available in both games. Seeing as we've got new Pokémon to deal with, too, I'd bet Gligar and Aipom become somewhat exclusive. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I bet the version exclusives are Pokémon that have similar evolution that are Version-exclusives like Sneasel and Gligar. {{u|Laxafett}} 17:14, 10 May 2009(UTC)
::::We should wait until they are released. [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 00:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Follow this link to see a picture of HG SS: http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml [[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 23:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

:In which case, should the possibility of the feature seemingly demonstrated in said screen be mentioned in the page itself? --[[User:Turaga Dlakii|Turaga Dlakii]] ([[User talk:Turaga Dlakii|Talk!]]) 00:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would say. It should be mentioned, as It incorporates a feature from Yellow. (Walking with your Pokémon)[[User:ShinyPikachu|ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ]] 00:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== New Starter Artwork ==

Hey guys, Serebii.net just got some new shots showing new Ken Sugimori artwork for the Jhoto Starters Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile. Can someone get the images and put them on the Pokémon's respective pages? Thank you, --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Cool it, man. Don't you know how much ''I'm'' paying attention to all matters HGSS? We can only work so fast. And it's "Johto", not "Jhoto". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I took care of that (partially)--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:: Hehe, could we add the screenshot and maybe the artworks to a gallery section for this page? {{tt|We're|Hopefully...}} gonna need one by next week anyway. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::New art goes on the Pokémon's page. We don't have 151+ new artworks on FRLG's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== Screenshot Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:HGSS_NewBark_Serebii.JPG|In New Bark Town
File:NewBark HGSS.jpg|New Bark Town map 
</gallery>
<gallery>
File:152Chikorita.png| {{p|Chikorita}}
File:155Cyndaquil.png| {{p|Cyndaquil}}
File:158Totodile.png| {{p|Totodile}}
</gallery>
Add more, then add-to-page!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 02:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Tada! The Totodile pic is on the way [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Um I can only see cyndaquil! And where did you find these. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I can see chikoritas on her page but i don't see it here. And I haven't seen Totodile's at all. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The archive is still a little crazy from what I understand. Totodile's pic is visible at its page as well. With luck, these problems will be fixed today. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 14:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's a little early for a gallery, isn't it? On this page, we only need one picture from that little footage of Gold and Chikorita. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's because CoroCoro will likely give us more images within a few days. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== ESRB - May 09 "Rating" ==

As the game isn't due for release yet and ESRB quite probably hasn't rated it yet. (Tell me where it says E for these games? The offical site doesn't.) Should we remove the Rating or put the word ASSUMED next to the rating? I know it's most likely to get the E Rating, but I don't think we should jump the gun. [[User:Big Nutter|Big Nutter]] 02:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:Noted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it's ''really'' jumping the gun, since apparently they've been meting out E ratings by merit of being Pokémon (Platinum and PMD2 got pretty...heavy for E-rated games) but yes, it still shouldn't be there.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nah, with the game corner, we'll obviously have it rated M. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think game covers really warrant ESRB ratings spikes. Here's my [[$1|2¢]] prediction: The translation goes a bit too far, and one of the new features teased might be expanded gambling, and as a result, HeartGold and SoulSilver get E10+.

:::In any event, regardless of anyone's predictions, we probably shouldn't list any rating unless it's officially listed with one. And not just the ESRB--in the event an infobox might be appended to include other countries' rating systems (Japan's CERO, Europe's PEGI, etc.), we're best waiting for official ratings from those boards too. Just because Pokémon games have followed ratings trends doesn't mean they can't be broken--PEGI usually gives Pokémon games 3+ ratings, but Battle Revolution got slapped with a 7+. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Dude, I totally forgot about the Game Corner. Are they using the same rationale the Japanese government uses for pachinko or something? If you don't redeem your chips in the same building as the casino, it's not gambling? :|—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::...wait seriously? Damn, so that's how they got away with it this whole time! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well TTE, following your idea, then it wouldn't be a M-rated game but rather a T-rated game. Still, I don't think they'll ever give a Pokémon game a rating higher than E or E10+ (if that's ever going to happen =D). It's not like the games have porn or violent contents. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So... killling small monsters is not violence? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 14:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::They don't die, they faint. FAINT. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 14:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:You just beat them up into a coma. Huge difference. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think lighting them on fire with Flamethrower would count as violence '''''[[User:Shiny Rayquaza|Shiny]] [[User talk:Shiny Rayquaza|Rayquaza]]''''' 15:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::It's kidding man, they'll rate it E, or E+10 if they're bored. There's no discussion for that --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 15:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::If they had something like a Kingdom Hearts style where you go around beating the crap out of people for money and to steal their Pokémon, THEN we're talking T or M. Otherwise, they'll all be E or E10+. Seriously. The Game Corner isn't that bad. All of the games have gambling anyways, and they've always passed it off. And it's not even close to real gambling where you lose your home if you go into debt, which you can't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::And Nintendo isn't stupid. The won't jump from E to T-M for that reason. They'd lose a lot of money if they do it... and you know, they really don't care even if they're taking the poor children to gambling ---[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 18:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::A lot of things will get you more into gambling than Pokémon ever could, anyway. Like... your own parents. I'd bet E's where it will be, undoubtedly, and I dare the ESRB to have the balls to prove me wrong. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== New gameplay video ==

The new gameplay video reveals the new visual effects. Also aparently your pokemon can now follow you around outside of battle like pikachu in pokemon Yellow. Weather or not this is limited to starter pokemon is unknown. (unless the video states it in japanese, translation of the video is required).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DDps8bHDo
--[[User:CloudHiro|CloudHiro]] 20:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's actually an OLD video. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::By like two days. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha, I was going to say that - this was just shown on Pokémon Sunday, which is an official source, so it is most definitely the most recent update we have, "old" or not. ;) [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nothing significant is said during that video, CloudHiro, don't worry. It basically amounts to ''Jesus Christ that Chikorita is following him like Ash's Pikachu kajdbgajkdg''—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And here I thought they would have intelligent things to say... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Apparently not... --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

==Wind==

The video shows that New Bark Town now has wind, should this be added? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

"Yeh i saw that too"[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 03:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not yet. When we make the "Aesthetic changes" section, then we can add it. And are we even sure it's New Bark Town? That's another reason why. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:34, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::The video clearly shows Silver staring into Elm's lab just like he did in G/S/C. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Remember that they're remakes just like FR and LG, the story-line will not change much, it will perhaps just be an extension of something. And about the wind, I saw it too but lets just wait until further details. We can't just keep on editing useless information that will just confuse the reader. It is New Bark, but all this type of discussions should be discuss on forums.--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeh i agree, I saw Silver staring at the Big house which they say the Elm`s Lab..You`ve got to learn somthing Hunter Blade kiddo...It is the New Bark Town where Elm`s Lab located....And the [[Chikorita]] thing there, I think that only starters can come out at their Pokéball....[[User:Gio12|Gio12]] 07:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've just noticed something! The sign in New Bark Town says "The Town where the winds of a new beginning blow". Now there really is wind there! [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:^<nowiki>*</nowiki>Goes to kill himself* No shit, it's been there from the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|beginning]]--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sarcastically* WIND!!!! Best feature in the entire game!!!!--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::ZOMFG PURE FLYING CASTFORM!!!one!eleven... Uh... none of this {{bp|talk page|helps the article}}. Get to the forums for this crap. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And people complain about my behavior... [[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== First gameplay screenshot ==

Shouldn't we delete that. Not only it isn't showing, but what does it have to do with the article? I think that should be on the [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation]].--[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:One image would be enough. It's an official screenshot, so what made you think it would fit on a speculation page? '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 06:41, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree on the delete part though, get a fresh one, that image is broken. [[User:Pyrix|Pyrix]] 20:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::EVERYTHING'S BROKEN, if no one's noticed yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::So you guys seriously haven't seen every that other page is having this problem? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== JPN release date ==

Someone on [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15813741&postcount=1164 NeoGAF] reposted what is apparently a 2ch post revealing info from this month's CoroCoro on the game. Anyone with good Japanese translation skills able to confirm? ([http://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader1012351.jpg Also, a picture of the issue's cover.]) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Is it related to the game's release date? I didn't see something about HGSS. It says the release is on September 11, reservation is July 18, SRP is 4800 yen, NEPichu to appear in HG, and more info about the movie and event PCPichu.. not sure of this though. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::[http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15813741#post15813741 Thread for context.] Yeah, I guess we shouldn't jump the gun, Serebii said that there's several conflicting reports going around right now. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 13:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This month's CoroCoro magazine will be released few moments by now. I think we should wait for the infos. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:07, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Eh, the first picture has Lugia and Ho-Oh on it, but I can't see anything else Pokémon related on it. As for the rest of everything, what Kev said. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== CoroCoro Scans ==

Just wondering if/when the info in the new CC should be added to the article, from what I've seen, there is a new girl playable, the notched eared pichu/pikachu colored pichu are involved, and there's a skateboard involved in the game somehow. I'm aware the last 2 are iffy, but something tells me that the new girl would be something to mention. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 14:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

*I would think that showing the picture or mentioning the new girl would be more of a priority than the Pichu since it notes a significant change between Pokemon Crystal and these games. But I am not going to add this without more discussion.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'd say maybe wait to see if slightly better quality scans are created before adding more details. Although they may still be speculative for the time being. Although the fact that there is a new female character does throw a bit of a spanner in the works. First off, we don't know her name or anything else about her other than her look. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 15:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::PS - Gold = A really young version of the TF2 Scout?
:::I would think the scans he posted below would be good enough to show that it is indeed a new playable female character. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 15:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::::It possibly is true. But, we have to what for some better screenshots. Don't add them just yet. Let TTE decide.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 16:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll agree to that and if it can't be posted yet then we'll wait for either offical pictures or a gameplay shot that shows the characters' sprite. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I think we should wait for the magazine to actually hit news-stand on the 15th. It is the 15th right? Either way I don't think we should jump the gun.

P.S. $10 says the new girl trainer's name turns out to be Heart.[[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 16:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{ga|Leaf}} implies otherwise. I say Soul. No one create an article until we make some consensus. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

where in the magazine was the skateboard mentioned? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Pokébeach have very recently posted an article with higher-resolution quality scans of CoroCoro. Apparently the Touch Screen how displays the in-game menu, although whether or not it is always there, or you have to press a button to activate it is still unknown.
Also they've confirmed the presence of the location graphic that appears when you enter certain areas, á la FR/LG is back. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 11:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:You can still press X to access the menu, I assume if you don't want to use the touch screen, (according to the screencap.)I assume they have it setup this way because they might integrate the radio more into the game, so it lets you change stations more easily. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kris? ==
Can someone who can read Japanese tell me: Doe the magazine specifically say that it is a new girl? I think it may just be a major overhaul of Kris, but if it says so, then it must be an entirely new character.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 22:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:The magazine identifies Gold and [Kris] as simply "Protagonist (Boy)" and "Protagonist (Girl)." That's all that's legible for now; let's wait until full scans arrive.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::She really only {{tt|looks like|abstractly...}} Leaf in a version of Kris' clothes and a slightly different hairstyle. And Serebii says that she isn't Kris, although they have been known to get things wrong. They do have a number of Japanese reading users like we do though. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe she is a new character, maybe her name could be Soul (ソウル) or Heart (ハート) just like Leaf in FireRed & LeafGreen. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 03:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, nothing is mentioned other than what we know. The description of the girl "An active looking girl. Notice the device hanging from her bag." For the boy, "His cap has a trademarked yellow line. What's that blue device attached to his left hand?" [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 04:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::What could it be, [[PokéGear|oh how I wonder]]... Anyone up for emailing Masuda or Sugimori and asking them personally, "okay, is this Kris and you're screwing with us, and when the hell do we get HGSS?" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: I highly doubt that's Kris, seeing as the two look VERY different. Either Kris will appear redesigned again in a possible Crystal remake, or we will never see her again. Perhaps all the "Marina" hints in the anime were just teasing us, but we never know, right? ...and for the record, I'm with ya, TTE. [[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 12:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would personally rather to email them that we want Crys to be included at least as a NPC. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Uh...lets keep the "She's not Kris" whining on the forums. Save the talk page for the article. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
*Agree with you there Sketch and personally I don't care about this debate personally it was just Nintendo chose to do and it is not that big of a deal. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'd have already e-mailed him if anyone had his e-mail lying around.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*on this subject, she isen't replacing kris, since this is a remake of gold and silver, not crystal. and to my recolection, there is no female player in the origanal g&s
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
never mind
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
== Starter following ==

I think it had been made known that your Starter Pokémon will follow you in the whole game. Did it?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Remember, that video is just demonstration on what the game's gonna be like, it may be scrapped and become beta information.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 09:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Starters may not be the only ones who can follow, it seems safe to assume that it is possible there are many Pokémon that can follow, I came to this conclusion from the Ilex forest image that has been released, it shows your Pikachu coloured pichu outside of its Poké ball, this could possibly indicate that other Pokémon may be able to follow the player. Basically I don't think we should assume that only the starters can follow (like it says in the article) until we have all the facts. —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 13:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
*Yeah after seeing that special Pichu following the trainer I agree until more facts are available to that, if not for that I would have thought only the starters would follow the trainer. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Being that PCP can, I do wonder if shiny starters would look different, too. Either way, yes, waiting on this tidbit is a good idea. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fourth pic ==

How do we know that it shows Kurt's house? Do the CoroCoro scans specifically state that? [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 17:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:There is no mention of it anywhere in the scans or on the website (I read the Japanese.) The text next to the image in the scans simply refers to how your starter will follow you throughout the game. It should be edited. [[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 18:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Don't. It closely resembles the positioning of Kurt's House in [[Azalea Town]]. The gym can be seen below it, and there is a red streak on the western side of the picture resembling a Pokémon Center.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 19:04, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, but that is just speculation (and a big stretch.) It doesn't hurt to leave it as is and find out whose house exactly it is later on.[[User:Halogen|Halogen]] 20:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:Its not really THAT big of a stretch. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 21:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::[[Burned Tower]]. They just made it more elaborate. Like [[Silph Co.]] in Saffron. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I still say the place looks like [[Azalea Town]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I can't picture Azalea Towns having these kinds of streets, as they would go against its village-ish theme. And the house/tower in the pic seems to have a base of concrete under it with stairs, reminiscent of the towers' bases in the original games (Ok, the bases didn't look like they were made of concrete in GSC, but it still looks reminiscent of them). [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 23:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ok, maybe. This is getting a bit forumy, you have made your point and fixed it. Anything else goes to forums.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It just looks like re-newed Azalea town so there's no way that isn't kurt's house, i think.--[[User:RegiManiac|RegiManiac]] 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)RegiManiaC
:::::::It's not Kurt's house. It's Burned Tower, Kurt's house is not on an elevated platform (and wouldn't be, he's not THAT important). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It could be either. We should wait and see when the games are released. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Replacement? ==

The article says that the new girl replaces Kris. But seeing as HGSS are specifically Gold/Silver remakes, instead of a Crystal remake, wouldn't it make more sense to say this new girl is just new, not a replacement? Just like the FRLG heroine didn't replace anyone because no female choice existed in RGYB, the HGSS girl replaces no-one as well. But that's just me...what do you think? --[[User:Fairy Red|Fairy Red]] 23:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:We all have different opinions on the topic; check out the various forum threads. For now, we're proceeding as if it's a different character. We've given her the fan-name {{ga|Soul}} for now. It's hard to say which way we should go. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::i agree with fairy red. she dosen't replace any character, because there is none to replace.
[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 12:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
:::In most people's eyes, Kris was "the Johto girl" like May's "the Hoenn girl", Leaf's "the Kanto girl", and Dawn's "the Sinnoh girl". Sure, Kris didn't actually appear as a choice in Gold and Silver, but most consider her to be as much Gold's female counterpart as May is to Brendan, Leaf is to Red, and Dawn is to Lucas. It's not as much "replaced" as it is "included instead of the more logical choice"... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Even though these are remakes of G/S rather than Crystal, the one who had the role of Gold's female counterpart in the franchise was Kris. And now we have Soul filling that role. So yes, we can say that Soul is replacing Kris. [[User:Pokéman|Pokéman]] 02:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I would say that it is a matter of how you look at it. Looking at it from the perspective of these being remakes of Gold and Silver, Soul is not replacing Kris. Looking at it from the perspective of Kris being Gold's female counterpart, Soul is replacing Kris. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== All Pokémon NOW Available ==

''As an honorable mention for somewhere on the page'', by now, with the addition of the expected Johto Pokémon in these remakes and the expected time capsule {{tt|to work like the original GS|I remember talking a bit about this on the GS speculation talk page once... FR and LG would take the place of the old Kanto, just remade... Let me explain further... As Gen II was to trade with the old Kanto (Gen I) and back, it is to be expected that this would happen with HGGS, Gen IV, to trade with the old, but remade Kanto (Gen III) and back; the sysytem of the time capsule to be remade itself... (Sorry this is so long)}}, every Pokémon may be now caught in Gen IV main series gameplay as of these GS remakes... Now, I think that it would be an honorable mention... if it could be edited a bit and figured out {{tt|where|I won't do anything with this yet... I'll leave that to TTE or someone in that manner, just so I'm not reckless...}} it would be put on the page... that is, if you decide whether it's really an honorable mention...--[[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X, PEACE TO]][[User:Dragonbeastx|THE DRAGONS AND]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|THE BEASTS]] 03:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well I disagree with you, since I believe there will be a new Johto Dex. But also the point of the matter is that until there is a source to clarify what Nintendo is planning to do, there would be no rumors or speculation about this on the games' page.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::...what? Seriously, I can't tell what you're saying. As far as catching every Pokémon, what about Groudon and Kyogre? Or the Gen III starters? Heck, we don't even know for sure that Celebi is available. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::They won't touch the GSDex, like they did with the RBDex.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd Like to believe that too, but personally I'd rather wait for a reliable source especially since Nintendo did an expansion of the Sinnoh Dex for Platinum and could easy do the same thing in reverse. Especially with the Kanto Starters, Fossil, and Legendaries near the back of the original Johto Dex. But once further details are released then it would be determined who's right or wrong. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::We should just wait 'til they release it in Japan and see what happens. [[User:galladeon|galladeon]] 14:56, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Now it's time for the division between "speculation" and "duh". Honestly, I know we pride ourselves on the veracity and such of our information, but honestly, truly, saying that the Johto Gym Leaders don't even have a 100% chance of reappearing is just ''stupid''. Did Kanto get new Gym Leaders in FRLG? No! HGSS is a remake of GS. Silver appears outside Elm's lab. I'll give Kanto being in the games as speculation, because as much as I hope it is, we've not yet seen the eastern border of New Bark in new graphics, leaving room for doubt. Sure, maybe it was unprogrammed as of the demo, fine, but it does leave room for doubt. But seriously, saying that Johto's leaders aren't gonna be the same is like saying Silver's no longer the rival, just some kid standing outside Elm's lab, and that a new villainous team takes the place of Neo Team Rocket.

HGSS is '''''a remake of Gold and Silver'''''. If you're all so gung-ho about removing "speculation" that Falkner, Bugsy, Whitney, Morty, Chuck, Jasmine, Pryce, and Clair will be in HGSS, I don't know why you've not yet even said "oh just speculation that these are remakes, we won't know for sure until we've compared every plot detail to GS and made sure they're just as similar to them as FRLG are to RG," and label these as "new games set in a mysterious new region".

It's just as much speculation that there are screenshots of Slowpoke Well and Ilex Forest, too, that the Gym Leaders will change. You know, despite them looking like revamped versions of the GS areas, we can ''never'' be sure...

Echidna has spoken. All eight Johto Gym Leaders are part of Gen IV and HGSS as much as the eight Kanto ones are part of FRLG. If you wanna assume Kanto's in HGSS, too, go for it. I mean, honestly, these anti-speculation measures are far too ridiculous at this point if you're "playing it safe" like this. Hell, if BP were around when FRLG were announced as much as it is now, we'd have you guys screaming about how "it's not proven that the Seafoam Islands and Cerulean Cave will appear in FRLG"...

And that's my rant. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. Kanto speculation is one thing, but these are friggin' GS remakes, there is no way in teh fiery pit that the Johto gym leaders aren't there. They'll be keeping all major elements of the region intact. I'll bet they're gonna include Kanto, too, I see no reason why they wouldn't. There's no proof that they're including it, true, but neither is there evidence to the contrary. Plus, what would they do about the Pokemon League? And by the way, that shot of Gold in front of some building that everyone is arguing about, I strongly believe it's the Burned Tower. Honestly, what's more likely to be raised up on a pedestal and look all badass and awesome and junk? An ancient tower with great historical significance that houses the legendary gerbils? Or the house of some old fart who makes Poké Balls? Plus, the roads are paved, which kinda says more of "Ecruteak City" than "Azalea Town" to me. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

::I say yes too. I doubt they'll change anything. And if they do, oh well. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:::They changed the female player. Big deal. Kris is most likely gone forever. So what? Get over it. It's a remake. It's SUPPOSED to have {{tt|minor|not including revamped graphics and stuff}} changes, although this is pretty big for a minor. Nothing spectacular changed for the Kanto remakes, all they did was add a female player, the Sevii Islands, and slightly extend the Team Rocket plot. Deal with it, or just ignore the fact that there are remakes coming out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Please, stop saying that. We ''have'' gotten over it. It's the people who complain about the complaints who keep complaining.
::::TTE: Who's saying otherwise? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Check out the revision history on Bugsy. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Well R.A., you should've understood (if you haven't yet) that the reason for Kris not supposedly being in HGSS is because they're GS remakes and not Crystal's. And since Kris was introduced in Crystal, it wouldn't make sense to put her where she doesn't fit, don't you think? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 10:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't mean that people aren't spazzing about Kris not being in there, even if they're told she wasn't even IN G/S. People need to learn to grow up and deal with what happens, even if they don't like it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Couldn't agree more with you. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Pokemon lover: If it's okay for the R/G remakes to borrow stuff from other games (some GSC Pokémon; many Gen II and III items, including the RSE berries and the HM to learn Waterfall; some GSC music themes), then why would it be so wrong for a G/S remake to borrow stuff from Crystal (such as Kris)?
:::::::::Before anyone tells me to get over it, I'm not complaining about Kris not being included. I'm just questioning the logic in saying "These are GS remakes, so including anything that comes from Crystal would seem out of place". [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 18:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Me two cents (A few days late) there's things that are speculation to assume they'll be in, but there's things that are more speculative to assume they're not in. Complicating matters slightly is that Kris was one of those things, but really, still in are: the leaders, team rocket, the starters, kanto, the basic plot. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::The whole thing we've been talking about, Spideym, is that people tried/have/talked about adding crap that won't happen. See the first thing that TTE said to start the section to understand. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::I was replying to Pokemon lover, not TTEchidna. And no, I don't think TTE was talking about what you're saying. Read his comment again. He was ranting about how the fact that people seem to believe that we shouldn't assume until confirmation that stuff like the Johto Gym Leaders is going to come back in these remakes, is ridiculous, as common sense tells us that they WILL be there. [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 06:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::::No, he's right. We shouldn't assume they'll add anything new. They'd never add "crap that won't happen." Pokémon following you around? Ridiculous. That'll never happen in a main series game except for yellow. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== Generation II Pokémon Platinum sprites ==

I don't know if this is being discussed elseware, but I've noticed that in the trivia sections of certain Generation II Pokémon that received updated colours in their Platinum sprites it's not being mentioned that this happened to alot of other Pokémon.

Their colours are changed so that they match their original colours from Gold and Silver as a hint to the fact that the Gold and Silver remakes were going to be released in a few months time.

For example, in Porygon2's trivia section it mentions that Porygon's sprite colours didn't change in Platinum as if no connection had been made to the G/S remakes.

Surely other people have made this connection, or is it just not being mentioned? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 08:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:No, Just because it's similar too their original sprites, doesn't mean it was a hint.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 08:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, so your saying that the Generation II Pokémon having the sprite changes to reference their original sprites in G/S and then the G/S remakes being announced a few months after is a complete co-incidence? [[User:Ash zane|Ash zane]] 11:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:::No, but that sort of thing could mean nothing. --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 05:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia and Ho-Oh ==

Ho-Oh and Lugia in the 3rd Generation games were only available from the event-exclusive Navel Rock. Before the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, the only way to them in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum, was through Pal Park. However, with the release of HG and SS, now you can get them by trading with HG/SS.

Should it be added to their Trivia sections that they are the only Pokemon to initially be event-exclusive and then be available normally? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 02:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

:Generation II they were available normally... ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 02:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that, but then should it be said that they are the only ones to be available normally (GEN 2), then event-exclusive (GEN 3), then available normally (GEN 4)? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:When a piece of trivia gets that contrived, no. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 04:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::Pf, event-exclusive? I got my Lugia in XD. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

==The Release Date Isn't Fall 2009, It's in September==

According to the Japanese website, it's coming out in specifically September, not just "Fall". http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pokemon.co.jp%2Fgame%2Fds%2Fhgss%2F&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0= [[User:Igglybuff63|Igglybuff63]] 18:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, Google's wrong. "2009年秋" (which Google is calling "September 2009" because it's just an awful thing to use) is "year 2009, autumn".—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::I examined the address of the japanese site that Google is translating and this '''www.pokemon.co.jp''' lodged in there and found it is from the official pokemon site in japan so the release month may in fact be legit. Course the exact date still needs released for this game to prove where the real date is. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Are you reading? There ''isn't'' a release month because the site says "autumn" and nothing else.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Just so you're aware I even if this page wasn't protected I wouldn't have added the month to this site without further consensus or the exact date to do so since I try to avoid obvious mistakes if possible. Besides there no other sources besides this so I won't do anything beyond this. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 20:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I might as well mention that September would be written as 9月 in Japanese (note the use of Arabic numerals for months). --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 20:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== Pedometer a.k.a. PokéWalk ==

Supposedly, there's a pedometer that will come with the game, and you can upload a Pokémon to it. Then, you can walk around, and the Pokémon will supposedly gain experience. I'm not kidding. If you think I'm crazy, then check out these links: [http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=84986] [http://pokebeach.com/] Shouldn't this be mentioned here, especially when the first link has a video from Pokémon Sunday (a primary source)? [[User:Blaziken257|Blaziken257]] 05:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:This pedometer is going to be called the PokéWalk. Additionally it was announced on Pokémon Sunday (6/7/09) and is also at Serebii(http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml). Also, I started on it in the [[Sandbox]] but was told to hold off on doing anything with it. Lastly, there is a picture on the Serebii newspost. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 05:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::Hmmm, it looks interesting, and given that you have at least one reliable source, then write something up and see what the others think. However, one thing that those pictures on Serebii indicate is that the HG/SS Pokémon might be using the <strike>Platinum</strike> D/P (oops!) sprites, unless that's just a filler. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe only some of the Pokemon in HGSS use Plat sprites. FR/LG and R/S used the same Pikachu sprite, after all. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 18:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::::I already wrote up something and asked two admins. It is located in the [[sandbox]]. I was told by the admins to hold off until more information is available. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 18:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::I just noticed the [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/HeartGold%2C_SoulSilver_to_come_with_pedometer Bulbanews article], so I'd say something brief should be added to the article. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 18:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Don't get your jaws in an uproar, guys. I added the info. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== More CoroCoro info out ==

So [http://pokebeach.com/2009/06/kyogre-groudon-and-rayquaza-in-heartgold-and-soulsilver apparently more scans are out] with info about the Hoenn legendary trio, and some info about a possible tie-in with the Movie 12 Arceus. Any info that's actually worthwhile to add in? '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

*Well the way I can figure it from my analysis is that the the three Hoenn Legendaries have a better chance of being posted on this page first being that is more notable than the Arceus event. But once an administrator makes the choice it doens't matter to me if it will be full, partial, or no addition to the page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

::They're both gonna be put up... don't worry about it. The admins would already know about it without people asking. They're like vultures over a dying animal. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:::It should all be there now. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Boxart now revealed==
Firstly I would like to applaud you Sketch for removing the unneeded images since I had the same idea myself about not wanting the section to be too overcrowded.

But now the Boxart has been revealed as CoroCoro scans I am wondering if it should be posted because of its importance or postponed till better images are aquired? Course I am willing to wait over being too hasty. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:If I can have an opinion, I would say we should hold off as the news article said the Lugia and Ho-Oh on the box are don't match the official Japanese website. The only thing that could actually verify it that I would agree with is if someone compared the Lugia and Ho-Oh with the Lugia and Ho-Oh that were revealed on Pokémon Sunday, if they match then I would say it is a go... -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 17:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

:: *pokes notice at the page's top* '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Last comment has my support since this was intended to affect when the box art should be posted on the page at some point in the near future and this is not supposed to be a forum chat. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 18:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

::::I was talking about the "everyone's paying attention LIKE A HAWK" and the "We will have stuff up and ready as soon as time allows" parts. Sorry about the confusion. And I appreciate that you aren't spazzing like some users who would if you were them... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::It is because I am a patient person who is used to waiting and since this has value I just wanted to know what the game plan was. I may watch over this page, but I only comment when I feel I need to. If this situation had little importance like an average screenshot then I wouldn't have done anything. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 18:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::That's fine. I'm making sure you know. A lot of people tend to miss those, even though they're bigger than anything else on the page. xD '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::My opinion on the boxart: too small at the current time for our purposes. We'll get it up probably in a few weeks when it appears on websites and such in high-res format. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Agree with you there since the boxart is mixed in with the Magazine scan and it is better to wait for pictures that have no magazine scan in them. So this pretty much ends the discussion of the topic of when the should the boxart pictures should be posted on this page. No need to add anything to the discussion at this point -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== New Area ==

I put in a bit about the new area near the National Park, but it was removed a few hours later with the comment "We'll wait until we know what that area is". We don't even know for sure that Soul isn't Kris (and that her name is Soul), yet she has an entire article. Should my thing be put back in? --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 03:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
==Confirmed?==
All 493 Pokemon can follow you? Is that correct? I mean, I can't imagine a Pokemon the size of Regigigas following me into a house. {{User|Team Hyper}}

User:Team Hyper

2009-06-13T10:44:35Z

Team Hyper:

Hi! Some of you may have heard of me, as most of my accounts have "Hyper" in them. I'm a "friendly hacker", as I spend my hacking stuffs helping to fix errors. I like trying out glitches in games, and if there's a question about any glitch you may be stuck in I might be able to help you out.
Please don't ask me to give you cheat codes. I don't like that.
Anyways, I've been playing Pokemon games since late 2007, (Yeah, I'm new) but I'm really into the series, and I'm a champion at Mystery Dungeon games.
If you want to battle my L33T team,(shown below) ask and sort something out.

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Talk:Guildmaster Wigglytuff

2009-06-12T19:01:25Z

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==Moves==
Shouldn't there be a section on here to show his moves?
I mean, in the anime and the game he uses Hyper Voice, and in the Guild battle he uses basic Wigglytuff moves. (Double slap, Sing, Defence Curl and disable.) {{User|Team Hyper}}

Red Gyarados

2009-05-30T16:06:24Z

Team Hyper:

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'''Red Gyarados''' (Japanese: '''あかいギャラドス''' ''Red Gyarados'') is a term used to refer to a {{p|Gyarados}} of [[alternate coloration|alternate color]], which is red rather than its usual blue. According to the anime, this is due to the forced evolution; the {{p|Magikarp}} it evolves from retains its red color, having no time to change its scale color to blue. Unlike other shiny Pokémon, the red Gyarados's existence is [[canon]] in that it is encountered as part of an event in the [[Generation II]] games.
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[[Image:Spr 2g 130 s.png|frame|left|A shiny Gyarados in {{game3|Gold and Silver|Pokémon Gold|s}}]]
[[Image:Spr 2s 130 s.png|frame|left|A shiny Gyarados in {{game3|Gold and Silver|Pokémon Silver|s}}]]
[[Image:Spr 2c 130 s.gif|frame|left|A shiny Gyarados in {{game|Crystal}}]]

==In the games==
In [[Pokémon Gold and Silver|Pokémon Gold, Silver]] and {{v2|Crystal}}, the red Gyarados is found in the [[Lake of Rage]]. The player has one chance to catch it and the incident triggers the battle against [[Team Rocket]] in the [[Rocket Hideout (Mahogany Town)|Rocket Hideout]] in [[Mahogany Town]]. When captured or defeated, the Red Gyarados drops a [[Red Scale]].

In {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, in the [[Rocket Warehouse]] located on [[Chrono Island]], one of the computers displays information about induced evolution using electromagnetic waves, hinting at what occurs to other Gyarados in Generation II's Lake of Rage. This is only an indirect reference to the red Gyarados, since the two events are supposedly independent of each other, despite taking place at the same location and time.

Sightings of the red Gyarados were [[Pokémon nation|national]] news. {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} begins with a news report broadcast in [[Twinleaf Town]] of [[Sinnoh]], according to which the red Gyarados had eluded detection by a research crew; it is unknown to which point in time this corresponds in the [[Johto]]-based games. The player accompanies [[Pearl (game)|his/her best friend]] to [[Lake Verity]] in hopes of seeing a similar Pokémon.

While the most common way to obtain a red Gyarados is at the Lake of Rage in Generation II, any alternate color Gyarados ([[Shiny]]) will be the same. This is currently the only way to obtain a red Gyarados from [[Generation III]] onwards.

==In the anime==
The red Gyarados was first seen in ''[[EP235|Talkin' 'Bout an Evolution]]'' and ''[[EP236|Rage of Innocence]]''. Its voice actor in both Japanese and English is ''[[Unshō Ishizuka]]''. It was the result of a [[Team Rocket]] plot to induce evolution. The process was successful, but as the evolution was forced, it kept the red coloration it had as a Magikarp. It went on a rampage down a river towards [[Mahogany Town]], but [[Lance]] eventually captured and calmed it.

It returned, along with its trainer, Lance, to help out [[Brock]], {{an|May}} and [[Max]] during the fight between {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} in ''[[AG097|Gaining Groudon]]'' and ''[[AG098|The Scuffle of Legends]]''.

Lance's Gyarados appeared in Marina's scrapbook and fantasy, along with its Trainer and his {{TP|Lance|Dragonite}}. However, instead of red, the color of the Pokémon in ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'' was the regular blue. This may have been because the original airing of ''[[EP235|Talkin' 'Bout an Evolution]]'' in Japan was '''after''' ''The Legend of Thunder!'' already had aired. This may also mean that Lance also possesses another, normally-colored Gyarados.

===Moves used===
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{{anmu|water|Hydro Pump|EP235|Talkin' 'Bout an Evolution}}
{{anmu|normal|Hyper Beam|EP235|Talkin' 'Bout an Evolution}}
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==In the manga==
In [[Pokémon Special]], the red Gyarados was the leader of a group of Gyarados. When [[Team Rocket]] used the Goldenrod City Radio Tower to disturb Pokémon, these Gyarados went crazy. At the end it was caught by {{Special|Silver}}.

==In the TCG==
The red Gyarados serves as the basis for the {{TCG ID|Neo Revelation|Shining Gyarados|65}} card in the {{TCG|Neo Revelation}} expansion and the [[Gyarados ☆ δ (EX Holon Phantoms 102)|Gyarados]] {{star}} [[Gyarados ☆ δ (EX Holon Phantoms 102)|δ]] card in the {{TCG|EX Holon Phantoms}} expansion.

==Related articles==
{{Animespeciesevo1|Magikarp|Gyarados}}
{{Lance's Pokémon}}
{{Silver's Pokémon}}

[[Category:Elite Four Members' Pokémon]]
[[Category:Alternate color Pokémon in the anime]]
[[Category:Silver's Pokémon]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal characters]]

[[ja:あかいギャラドス]]

Talk:Red Gyarados

2009-05-30T16:03:47Z

Team Hyper: /* Lake of Rage */

Very few fans realize that the presence of the red Gyarados in the games is not caused by the induced evolution of the resident Magikarp. The anime intertwined the two events and used the connection as an excuse for the unusual coloring (the Magikarp retained its color upon evolving irregularly); the game dialogue never so much as hints at such a connection.

It is true that battling the red Gyarados triggers Lance's appearance, from which point the battle against Team Rocket ensues, eventually leading to the termination of the source of electromagnetic waves responsible for inducing evolution on Magikarp. However, that is the extent of it; the characters who actually reference the red Gyarados at Lake of Rage have nothing to do with the Team Rocket event.

Also of note is the fact that the report found in FireRed and LeafGreen pertains to plans of the electromagnetic waves incident; the news broadcast in Diamond and Pearl deals with the ''potential'' sighting of red Gyarados, not necessarily at Lake of Rage itself. Both of these are instances of a reference to Generation II events from different angles - plot continuity (FireRed and LeafGreen) and contemporary storylines (Diamond and Pearl).

It is incorrect to place Diamond and Pearl's beginning at the time of red Gyarados' appearance in Gold, Silver and Crystal. The news broadcast does not mention the appearance of the red Gyarados before a trainer in Johto, but rather pinpoints the Pokémon's background as being elusive and sought after. Therefore, it stands to reason that the Lake of Rage sighting takes place later on, possibly allowing for the Johto storyline to commence at the same time as that of Sinnoh. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 12:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Uhhh... I followed almost none of that but, in response to the last part it could just be a rumor of a gyrados or sun reflecting off one scales and such but you do make a point. (one that I couldn't follow)[[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario]] 13:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

That's actually very good reasoning. I never gave it much attention that the Red Gyarados wasn't created by the forced evolution. However, the information from the start of D/P does definitely agree - the Red Gyarados could NOT have been created by the Rockets because s/he was a legend from before the Chôji Town incident. As for FR/LG, everything about the Sevii storyarc is building towards Johto, and those electromagnetic waves are simply another part of the process. In a way, the Red Gyarados serves as another sign that Gen II is coming back. Good discerning, Unown Lord! --[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 14:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Lake of Rage ==

I was at Lake of Rage, I battled the red Gyarados, but it blue instead!! I think it was a shiny shiny, a pokemon supposed to be shiny but ended up being normal. --[[User:Doomey|Doomey]]
:...Thats probably just a gitch D: I've never heard of that happening before. [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
::I think that since the Gyarados had a 99.999999% chance of being shiny, the creators didnt bother to make it sure shiny. Try restarting. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''09:19 2 Jul 2008'''''
:::The Red Gyarados has a 100% chance of being shiny. No ifs, ands, or buts; it's literally impossible for the Red Gyarados to not be shiny. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 01:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
== Shiny ==
I looked through the article and didn't find anyhting about the Red Gyarados being a shiny Gyarados in the games. It just says about any alternate colour being Red, so I'm going to change it a little. [[User:Team Hyper|Team Hyper]]

Talk:Distortion World

2009-05-30T15:38:49Z

Team Hyper: /* Map */

For the animated picture of the torn world above Mt. Coronet, where is that from? It says skip in the corner, so I'm guessing a website?--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 04:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
:What are you talking about? The picture's neither animated nor says "skip" anywhere.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

This one here, which is on the article page.

[[Image:Montecorona13jun08.gif]]

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 06:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah... there's nothing there. That image isn't animated, and there's no text in any corner, at least not large enough to be seen. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 07:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Animated...drawn...art...I don't care what it is called. On the [[Sinnoh]] page this picture has the word skipped in it.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 09:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
:...well, then, maybe you should've brought it up on ''that'' page or at least said this in the first place. And yes, it's from the website.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 15:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
::Probably some kind of opening sequence one can skip. And... animated and drawn are two very, ''very'' different things. Animated indicates that there's at least some motion. That image is quite static. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 17:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

== Reverse World?==
Is the Torn World in Pokemon Platinum the same place as the [[Reverse World]] in the Movie or is that a completely different place?
They were both depicted as Giratina's Domain, so are they?
:No. We have no official proof that they are one and the same as the only way to access the Reverse World is to go to Spear PIllar and the Torn World can be accessed everywhere. That, and we still don't have proof so don't jump to conclusions. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''12:50 21 Aug 2008'''''

:According to [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]] (00:23:17), [[Mugen]] said that Reverse World simply speaking is Distortion World.--[[User:Swampert|Swampert]] 12:40, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

==Locations?==
If a Giratina from Platinum (or any Pokemon obtained in any new location) is traded to an English Diamond and Pearl, where will it say it came from in the memo? Unlike earlier generations, where it was only in English, in which they took the name of the location that it said on the memo in the game it came from (thus if it was hacked, then it could say anything) this generation allows trading across the world, and just says the English equivalent. As Nintendo of America was not working on Platinum during the production of Diamond and Pearl (or maybe Japan didn't even THINK of Platinum back then, so even in Japan, unless they worked it the way they did in Gen. 3, or rewire it like they did for the Berry glitch fix, this problem would crop up), there will BE NO equivalent, (besides, if there were, then hackers would have discovered it like they did with the Johto thing: see [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remakes]]) so unless Nintendo rewires the games like they did for the Berry glitch fix, there's no telling what could happen! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 16:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
:If they rewire the games, people will be suspicious, unless they do it in Japan for the reason explained in one of the earlier parentheses. OR MAYBE Nintendo of America planned this and made an extra in Shadows of Almia (which notably isn't coming out in America until AFTER Platinum comes out) to fix it like they did in FR/LG for the Berry glitch, but what if someone gets one of those Giratina in a trade on the GTS before that? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 16:07, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
::Well, only one way to find out. Porygon-Z, I choose you! Trade me your Origin Forme Giratina as soon as you get it, for my Another Forme Giratina! Then... Origin Forme-ize mine to see if it works and then we'll trade back. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I used an Action Replay code that I found on a cheat website to get a shiny Spiritomb, and it says that it was caught in Space World. I used to figure that that could be an indication that Nintendo planned another Spaceworld event sometime in the near future, but now I'm starting to think that it may be the English name for the Torn World. Probably not, since that would mean people knew about Platinum long before it was announced, but who knows? I'll try to get a picture of it sometime soon. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:18, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Here: [http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/sophia__star/Pokemon%20Screenshots/Summary%20Screens/?action=view&current=DSCN2440.jpg] -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Just recieved a Platinum Giratina from the GTS. In D/P, the location is shown as 'Faraway place'. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 16:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Odd. Which brings me to wonder: what does the Sudowoodo from the Battle Frontier or a Smeargle from Artisan Cave say in RS? Obviously something caught on Route 101 says Route 101 like they do between RS games. But would it say Battle ''Tower''? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::No. It would say Artisan Cave. In Gen. III, the location names are copied with trades, like I said. So if a Pokemon was hacked to come from, say, "Lala Land," then when it is traded it will say, "Lala Land."
:::::::What are you talking about? If a Pokemon from, say, FR/LG is traded to R/S, the location shows up as 'Met in a trade' because R/S doesn't recognize Kanto location data. For example, the Lugia in this picture, which was traded from XD to LeafGreen: [http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/sophia__star/Pokemon%20Screenshots/Summary%20Screens/?action=view&current=DSCN2141.jpg] LeafGreen doesn't recognize Citadark Isle as a valid location, so it uses a location that it knows. The same appears to be true for Gen IV. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 14:53, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

==Name?==
The issue of Nintendo Official Magazine dated October, calls this the "Ruined World". Should we change this? [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 09:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:"Ruined" is just as accurate, so yes, probably...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
::What region is that magazine released in? Either way, this sounds as official as "Mikli Cup". --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:::The United Kingdom. (Uh...Mikli Cup...?)--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Australian magazine pretty much gave away every DP episode up to 100. However they called the Wallace (''Mikuri'') Cup the "Mikli" cup. Likely a poor transliteration of Mikuri by those who have no fricking idea who any of Pokémon's characters are, but still. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== Magnetic Zones ==
Someone with Platinum should confirm if Mt. Coronet extends to the Ruined World - by battling and beating Giratina in the Ruined World (albeit not saving of course) with a Nosepass or Magneton which needs at least the Giratina-amount of Exp. to level up. I'm mentioning this on the Spear Pillar talk page as well. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:Rare Candy works just as well... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:23, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::Doesn't the entrance to Ruined World lay in [[Turnback Cave]]?--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 04:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:::TTEchidna, didn't think of that. But to Tavisourse, Turnback Cave lets you return to the Ruined World - albeit a new part of it with the Platinum Orb. Giratina's area of the Ruined World is reached from the Spear Pillar. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::On second thought, because it's also reachable from Turnback Cave, it's probably not an extension of the Magnetic Zone. However, the game could have two different Ruined World areas programed, since it's a different part of the Ruined World when you go to it by Turnback Cave entrance. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 05:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Anyone wanna test it? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Different name? ==

I found this image recently...
It claims the name of the area is really called "the Torn Dungeon"
[http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s181/cds39/skann0002-8.jpg]
... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 04:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm... This may prove difficult. Any release dates mentioned yet? March? Please? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
::Has anywhere in a Pokémon game been called a "dungeon" properly. I know Cerulean Cave was often called the Uknown Dungeon prior to FireRed and Leaf Green.. So far, we've seen two different possible English names. Ruined World, as I stated above.. now this. In honest, I'd wait until the game sees an English release before moving it again.
::As another note to above. Isn't a dungeon a cold stone place? There is blatantly a sky visible when going through that piece of crazy. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 10:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Distortion World ==

Someone with the power to, please move this from Ruined World to Distortion World. That's the official English title. Where did this Ruined World business come from anyhow? Seems Nintendo can change its mind at anytime. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 15:55, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

:Circuit City is not a suitable source for the name. Until another source, one which is more reliable, uses the name Distortion World, the article stays where it is. That's why it was protected. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 15:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

::I agree. Where did this Ruined World business come from? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 20:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

:::Exactly.Who says that the place is ruined?It's just a change gravity and the laws of Physics.[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie Legend]] 10:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
::::"Ruined World" came from a Nintendo magazine from back before the official press releases. And ask the Japanese why it's ruined, they made up the name.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== Why you can walk on walls... ==

Well, Dialga controls the one temporal dimension of this universe, and Palkia controls the three spacial ones... what if Giratina controlled the fourth spacial dimension, and the fact that Lucas/Dawn goes around walking on walls is only an illusion because we can't see/render four-dimensional objects, only a three-dimensional projection of them. A {{wp|tesseract}}'s an object whose sides are all cubes, like a cube's sides are all squares and a square's are all lines. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:Bit of an abstract concept don't you think? Little bit more likely that physics there just operate on a different level, such as gravity being directional. In that case, Giratina would ''distort'' reality, which fits in more with it's background info, as well as the potential name from Circuit City. Besides that, there really not a whole lot of evidence for Giratina controling a fifth dimension. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::It makes sense to me. And Giratina controlling a fourth spatial dimension makes more sense than most other theories I've heard, given how Palkia gets the other three and Dialga the temporal dimension. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]][[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]][[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 13:20, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ruined World? ==
Yeah, I read that this name was in a Nintendo Magazine. But now we have at least three English names for this place (Ruined World, Torn Dungeon and Distortion World). I think we should move the page to the official name we have yet ''Torn World''. I am doubting of this ''Ruined World'', until a very official page or magazine confirms the name. I don't think that we should trust on a magazine ''before'' an official listing. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 00:09, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:Distortion World comes from the circuit city page, which was states as unreliable above. Torn World/Dungeon comes from a translation of the Japanese name. Ruined World was used in the official Nintendo magazine in the UK. As a result, Ruined World is the most reliable translation from a Nintendo source so far. The name will likely change with the US Platinum release, which won't take long to gather if Japanese save files {{tt|are compatible|Very likely they are}} with the US version. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 22:10, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== Dear Sysop... ==
(the section for edits you --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 17:09, 18 December 2008 (UTC)want the sysops that can edit to make)

Dear Sysop, I would like you to note on the page that while the entrances to this dimension are in Sinnoh, it is actually not part of Sinnoh at all, rather that the areas that the player visits are parallel with Sinnoh. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 16:23, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

==Cynthia?==
The artwork shows cynthia? Does she come to the runined world with you?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:David aipom|David aipom]] ([[User talk:David aipom|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/David aipom|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Cynthia enters with the player. In fact, the player meets her at Spear Pillar before entering. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 22:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== [[Distortion World]] ==

According to [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nintendo_announces_English-language_Pok%C3%A9mon_Platinum this page], it's going to be called the Distortion World. Could an admin move it please since it's protected? ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 20:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Mt. Coronet ==

I guess it's a silly question, but is the Distortion World considered part of Mt. Coronet by the game? That is, do Magneton and Nosepass evolve if leveled up within? On that note, both sides of the Distortion world would have to be checked: the one you enter while chasing Cyrus, and the one you enter after becoming Champion. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 17:09, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

:I checked the Turnback Cave side by using a Rare Candy on Nosepass; it didn't level up. I'll check the Cyrus side. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 03:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

I'm requesting an edit. Please put the images other than the infobox one into a gallery. Having them spread around the page shoves the text too much in some places. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 01:50 12/20/2008

I also request that all the "Another Formes" on this page be changed to Altered Forme, because that is the official name. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 19:54, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Plat. Orb area==

I'd like to mention that the area by where the platinum orb is is another Gitatina capture spot, in incase you missed it the first time.

[[User:Metalucario]]
:Are you trying to say that you can go back to where Giratina already was to get the Platinum Orb in-case you missed it? You have to beat the Elite 4 and then go back before you even have a chance to get it at all. [[User:Ryuartyi|Ryuartyi]] 01:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

No. I saw this in a video. North of the platinum orb is a seris of floating platforms like in the larger area where you can catch attempt to catch it again. [[User:Metalucario]]12:39, 23 Feb 2009

== Map ==

How will you do the map of this place? First time here: wherever you entered from Mt. Coronet (four choices). After Elite Four: Turnback Cave. Total of five. *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 08:42, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

==Slight error?==
I checked the map when I first entered the Distortion World chasing Cyrus.
For some reason, my location was:
"Route 208:
A lush field of grass spreads from Mt. Coronet's sheer rock face, creating a vista of contrasts."
Shouldn't this be in the article? I mean, it's surely a error of some sort. [[User:Team Hyper|Team Hyper]] 15:38, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Old Chateau

2009-05-30T15:25:40Z

Team Hyper: /* Rotom */

==Insect Plate==
Outside the Chateau, is there also a hidden Insect Plate? [[Image:Ani413MS.gif]][[User:Agggron|Agggron]] ([[User_talk:Agggron|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Agggron|Edits]])[[Image:Ani412MS.gif]]

:yes, it is hidden in the wall behind the Old Chateau on the right of it. [[User:Moldy orange|Moldy orange]] 22:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::But does that area count as the Chateau or the [[Eterna Forest]]? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 22:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Eterna Forest. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Creepy==
OK i was on pearl last night and defeated rotom and then i started to walk around. second room on right, didn't see eyes(i didn't look that hard, so there could've been eyes, not sure.) and i saw a girl in the farthest right room and then she walked out. didn't see her again after i tried. and then in the dining place there was a guy who's outside-of-battle sprite look like the move deleter and then he floated into a wall and disapeared before i could move!!!!!! i was scared aven though i knew it was just a game. BECAUSE THAT'S JUST FREAKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![[User:Ukira Grace 611|'''''UkiraGrace''''']][[User talk:Ukira Grace 611|'''''611''''']] 13:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:It ''is'' a haunted mansion after all. But congratulations, I have yet to encounter the ghosts.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I saw both the girl AND the butler. Indeed, they are ghosts...[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 18:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I saw the girl, can't remember the Butler [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 18:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You have to check out the statue before entering the dining room. That's how you'll meet the butler.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]][[User talk:BlueJirachi|WishMaker]] 18:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo should have made them semitransparent.'''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|808080|Origami}}{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|FF8000|Guy}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|808080|T}}-{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|FF8000|C}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|0080FF|M}}''' 18:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

:I've never seen the buttler, and I've checked the statue =S. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 05:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
::Try going in and out of the room.{{u|Laxafett}} 20:14, 25 January 2009(UTC)

== Rotom ==
Do you need the National Dex to be able to fight it? I've gone there every night and it doesn't appear. [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 20:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, National Dex is required. It does say that in the article, I think... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:If it's Platinum, I think no. [[User:Joe9320|Joe9320]] 06:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
:: I saw many things sayign different, so I got confused. [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 10:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, this raises a good question. Is the NatDex required in Pt? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
::::No, as Rotom is in the Sinnoh Dex. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:19, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>facepalm*. And one needs the SDex to get the NatDex, which means one can get Rotom as soon as one defeats Gardenia. Should have known that. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:40, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I've got the National Dex, but Rotom doesn't appear. Do you have to beat the Elite Four in order to meet it? (you know, I've obtained the National Dex before having beaten the Champion) --[[User:DarkSally|DarkSally]]([[User talk:DarkSally|complaints department]]) 13:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:How could that happen? NDex without beating the E4 & champion? What time of the day you visited the Chateau? It would only appear at night.. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 13:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
::You know, I've trained a lot my Pokémon, and my sister, who has beaten the Champion, has given me the Pokédex entries for some Pokémon that I could not meet yet (Octillery, Mantine and Feebas). However, I've visited the Old Chateau at night, because I knew that Rotom appears only at this time of the day. So... I think that I have to beat the Elite Four T_T (it's the same thing for Sendoff Spring and Turnback Cave: I can't reach them). --[[User:DarkSally|DarkSally]]([[User talk:DarkSally|complaints department]]) 14:08, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Ahh, so its true then. I was wondering too if we really need to beat the champ.. Volkner owns Octillery in DP, you can evolve Mantyke found on water routes, and Feebas are owned by some Fisherman.. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 14:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Yes, but I wanted to finish my Sinnoh Dex quickly, and when I had this idea, I didn't reach Sunyshore City yet ^_^ ... but... does any trainer before the League own a Milotic? --[[User:DarkSally|DarkSally]]([[User talk:DarkSally|complaints department]]) 14:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
This has nothing to do with anything, but I got a shiny Rotom after trying 6 times in Pokemon Platinum. Yay. [[User:Team Hyper|Team Hyper]]