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User:Taposa

2022-04-05T07:51:43Z

Taposa: /* Personal */

User:Taposa

2012-11-06T12:05:09Z

Taposa:

Today is {{dotw|Tuesday}}
{| class="roundy" align="right" style="border: 2px solid #{{ {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=spring|February|June|October=summer|March|July|November=autumn|April|August|December=winter}} color dark}};"
! colspan="2" | [[Seasons#{{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=Spring|February|June|October=Summer|March|July|November=Autumn|April|August|December=Winter}}|{{color|000|{{#time: F}} is {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=spring|February|June|October=summer|March|July|November=autumn|April|August|December=winter}}}}]]
|-
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{| class="roundy" align="center" style="border: 2px solid #{{spring color dark}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=background:#{{spring color light}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{spring color light}};}}"
| align="center" |<big><big><big>春</big></big></big>
|}
Spring
! width="50%" class="roundytr" style="background:#{{summer color}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|February|June|October=border: 2px solid #{{summer color dark}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{summer color dark}};}}" |
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="border: 2px solid #{{summer color dark}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|February|June|October=background:#{{summer color light}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{summer color light}};}}"
| align="center" |<big><big><big>夏</big></big></big>
|}
Summer
|-
! class="roundybl" style="background:#{{autumn color}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|March|July|November=border: 2px solid #{{autumn color dark}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{autumn color dark}};}}" |
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="border: 2px solid #{{autumn color dark}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|March|July|November=background:#{{autumn color light}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{autumn color light}};}}"
| align="center" |<big><big><big>秋</big></big></big>
|}
Autumn
! class="roundybr" style="background:#{{winter color}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|April|August|December=border: 2px solid #{{winter color dark}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{winter color dark}};}}" |
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="border: 2px solid #{{winter color dark}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|April|August|December=background:#{{winter color light}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{winter color light}};}}"
| align="center" |<big><big><big>冬</big></big></big>
|}
Winter
|-
! colspan="2" | {{#ifeq: {{#time: t}}|{{#time: j}}|{{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=Summer|February|June|October=Autumn|March|July|November=Winter|April|August|December=Spring}} begins tomorrow!|{{#expr: {{#time: t}} - {{#time: j}} + 1}} days until {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=summer|February|June|October=autumn|March|July|November=winter|April|August|December=spring}}!}}
|}
(May I borrow the Seasons Template?)

{{CharInfobox |
color={{green color}} |
corecolor={{blue color light}} |
bordercolor={{red color dark}} |
name=Taposa/Luke |
jname=亚永胜 (Chi) りゅく |
tmname=Luke |
slogan=no |
image=Red Adventures art.png |
size=200px |
caption=Me and [[Pika|Pikachuni]] |
gender=Male |
birthday=September 10 |
hometown=[[Ilex Forest|The Forest of Unforgetful]] |
region=[[Johto|Folto]] |
relatives=Unknown |
colors=yes |
eyes=Green|
hair=Black|
Blood=Unknown|
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Pokémon Breeder (Trainer class)|Breeder]] |
game=[[Pokémon White]] |
leader=yes |
team= yes |
teamname=Team Lúçkymon/[[Team Plasma|Team Plasma-Lúćkymon 2]] |
teamrank=Super [[Boss|PokéCraminal]] |
rank = leader |
gym=[[Viridian Gym|Z's Mansion]] |
specialist= no |
badge= [[Earth Badge|Heartha Badge]] |
}}
== Introduction ==
Taposa (たぽさ/タポサ ''Taposa'' is believed to be a shapeshifter. It is wrong. He is an illusionist just like [[Zorua]]. He's friends with Zorua. Since Zorua also likes N, Taposa befriended him too. More details will come...
== Team ==
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{{User Gible|I have the force because my real name is Luke}!?!?!?}}
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| style=" color:yellow" | This user likes to create [[Fake Pokémon|Fakémon]].
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==Pokémon Games==

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| style="color: #FFFFFF" | This user has beaten '''[[Ghetsis|Ghetsis]]'''!
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| style="color: #{{white color}};" | This user has beaten '''[[Cynthia|Champion Cynthia]] of the [[Sinnoh|Sinnoh region]]!'''
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{{User Champion|P}}
{{User Champion|Pt}}
{{User Champion|SS}} (Well...not yet)
{{User Champion|W}}
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{{User Walk|Red|492|Shaymin|Grass|Flying}}
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| style="color: #{{psychic color dark}};" | This user has a {{#ifeq:{{{1|}}}|shiny|[[Shiny Pokémon|shiny]]}} [[Victini (Pokémon)|'''Victini''']].
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| style=" color: #346;" | This user '''[[Pokémon breeding|breeds Pokémon]]''' a lot of times.
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{{User TCG}}
{{User TCG Collector}}
==Must-Read Trivia==
*The Japanese name is actually my Chinese name.......but since cname can't work so......
*I contribute by using iOS Devices. I want to make a usertag for this but I don't know what Pokémon is too good to be an apple...

User:Taposa

2012-11-06T06:15:45Z

Taposa:

Today is {{dotw|Tuesday}}
{| class="roundy" align="right" style="border: 2px solid #{{ {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=spring|February|June|October=summer|March|July|November=autumn|April|August|December=winter}} color dark}};"
! colspan="2" | [[Seasons#{{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=Spring|February|June|October=Summer|March|July|November=Autumn|April|August|December=Winter}}|{{color|000|{{#time: F}} is {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=spring|February|June|October=summer|March|July|November=autumn|April|August|December=winter}}}}]]
|-
! width="50%" class="roundytl" style="background:#{{spring color}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=border: 2px solid #{{spring color dark}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{spring color dark}};}}" |
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="border: 2px solid #{{spring color dark}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=background:#{{spring color light}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{spring color light}};}}"
| align="center" |<big><big><big>春</big></big></big>
|}
Spring
! width="50%" class="roundytr" style="background:#{{summer color}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|February|June|October=border: 2px solid #{{summer color dark}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{summer color dark}};}}" |
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="border: 2px solid #{{summer color dark}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|February|June|October=background:#{{summer color light}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{summer color light}};}}"
| align="center" |<big><big><big>夏</big></big></big>
|}
Summer
|-
! class="roundybl" style="background:#{{autumn color}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|March|July|November=border: 2px solid #{{autumn color dark}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{autumn color dark}};}}" |
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| align="center" |<big><big><big>秋</big></big></big>
|}
Autumn
! class="roundybr" style="background:#{{winter color}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|April|August|December=border: 2px solid #{{winter color dark}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{winter color dark}};}}" |
{| class="roundy" align="center" style="border: 2px solid #{{winter color dark}}; {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|April|August|December=background:#{{winter color light}}; color:#000000;|color:#{{winter color light}};}}"
| align="center" |<big><big><big>冬</big></big></big>
|}
Winter
|-
! colspan="2" | {{#ifeq: {{#time: t}}|{{#time: j}}|{{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=Summer|February|June|October=Autumn|March|July|November=Winter|April|August|December=Spring}} begins tomorrow!|{{#expr: {{#time: t}} - {{#time: j}} + 1}} days until {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=summer|February|June|October=autumn|March|July|November=winter|April|August|December=spring}}!}}
|}
(May I borrow the Seasons Template?)

{{CharInfobox |
color={{green color}} |
corecolor={{blue color light}} |
bordercolor={{red color dark}} |
name=Taposa/Luke |
jname=亚永胜 (Chi) りゅく |
tmname=Luke |
slogan=no |
image=Red Adventures art.png |
size=200px |
caption=Me and [[Pika|Pikachuni]] |
gender=Male |
birthday=September 10 |
hometown=[[Ilex Forest|The Forest of Unforgetful]] |
region=[[Johto|Folto]] |
relatives=Unknown |
colors=yes |
eyes=Green|
hair=Black|
Blood=Unknown|
trainer=yes |
trainerclass=[[Pokémon Breeder (Trainer class)|Breeder]] |
game=[[Pokémon White]] |
leader=yes |
team= yes |
teamname=Team Lúçkymon/[[Team Plasma|Team Plasma-Lúćkymon 2]] |
teamrank=Super [[Boss|PokéCraminal]] |
rank = leader |
gym=[[Viridian Gym|Z's Mansion]] |
specialist= no |
badge= [[Earth Badge|Heartha Badge]] |
}}

== Team ==
{{Party
|color={{green color}}
|headcolor={{ground color light}}
|bordercolor={{bulba color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW N.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}999,192,932
|class=Leader
|name=Taposa
|game=BW
|location=N's Castle
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5|game=White|ndex=494|pokemon=Victini
|gender=female|level=100|type1=Fire|type2=Psychic|ability=Victory Star
|move1=V-Create|move1type=Fire
|move2=Fusion Flare|move2type=Fire
|move3=Fusion Bolt|move3type=Electric
|move4=Earthquake|move4type=Ground}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/3|game=FireRed|ndex=051|pokemon=Dugtrio
|gender=male|level=42|type1=Ground|ability=Sand Veil
|move1=Slash|move1type=Normal
|move2=Sand Tomb|move2type=Ground
|move3=Mud-Slap|move3type=Ground
|move4=Earthquake|move4type=Ground}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/3|game=FireRed|ndex=031|pokemon=Nidoqueen
|gender=female|level=44|type1=Poison|type2=Ground|ability=Poison Point
|move1=Double Kick|move1type=Fighting
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground
|move3=Poison Sting|move3type=Poison
|move4=Body Slam|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/3|game=FireRed|ndex=034|pokemon=Nidoking
|gender=male|level=45|type1=Poison|type2=Ground|ability=Poison Point
|move1=Double Kick|move1type=Fighting
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground
|move3=Poison Sting|move3type=Poison
|move4=Thrash|move4type=Normal}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/3|game=FireRed|ndex=111|pokemon=Rhyhorn
|gender=male|level=50|type1=Ground|type2=Rock|ability=Lightningrod
|move1=Take Down|move1type=Normal
|move2=Rock Blast|move2type=Rock
|move3=Scary Face|move3type=Normal
|move4=Earthquake|move4type=Ground}}
}}

==Projects==
{{User Project Manga}}
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Talk:Bianca

2012-09-29T05:58:25Z

Taposa:

== Starter choice ==
Pokebeach has confirmed that Bel chooses the starter weak against yours. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:03, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

== hometown ==

we have the info for the player characters and rivals hometowns...so shouldn't it be added to bel and Cheren's pages? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== Champion? ==

Didn't the Elite 4 articles detailed earlier that Bel ended up as the Champion? I no longer see that around, was that removed? [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 23:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Ended up being just a silly rumor. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 23:59, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::actually it was real..but it's just unused game data [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 00:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
:::If it was unused, shouldn't it still be mentioned somewhere? I guess we haven't gotten to the Black and White Beta article yet, though... [[User:Rai Marshall|Rai Marshall]] 00:28, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Actually, [[Pokémon Black and White beta|we have]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
No you haven't I just looked at it and it says nothing about Bel being champion.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 00:22, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind didn't look at the bottom of this page.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 00:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== wrong sprite ==

the sprite used is the sprite shown in the intro after naming your character. the sprite used in battle is different. same with cheren. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 06:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia issue? ==

Related to the silly rumors above on this page about Bel being mistaken as the initial Champion of the game, I see a trivia bit for this added in onto the main page. But should misinformation like this really be a trivia bit? I see related misinformation on other pages like Mamanbo and such. I'm kind of in favor of removing it... --[[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] 07:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:From what I heard, it wasn't just a rumor. It was actually in the beta version of the game. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
::Is there any solid proof for this? That's a very interesting possibility if it's true, but until there's some proof, would it be fair to remove this trivia bit for now, especially since it doesn't allude to a possible beta anyway? --[[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] 07:35, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I removed the trivia. I'm not sure if the beta rumor is true or not. Hopefully someone can shed some light on the matter. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:59, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
::::It is not. [http://pokemon.maruamyu.net/data/bw/trainers.html No Champion Data for Bel]. All Bel's teams have the class "Pokemon Trainer". I bet someone just spotted Bel's final battle team and jumped to the conclusion "She has such strong Pokemon! She must be a Champion!". But this is nothing more than a rumor. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:33, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::I hate to sound like I'm attacking you Kenji, but look through various parts of the Diamond and Pearl series. You will see a few instances where trivia mentions rumors and fakes episodes, some of them that you yourself said were ok to keep. This isn't any different. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 13:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's not Kenji so much as it is me; I've been wondering about this kind of trivia discussing misinformation/rumors to TTE one night and he suggested I put a talk page discussion about this. What makes trivia about rumors and misinformation noteworthy on a site that compiles accurate information? That's the question I have in my head when I see trivia such as this around the site. --[[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] 18:39, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I think it's because of how much attention rumors and fake info receive and that's why it has been done. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:37, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

How is this article a Stub? [[User:Mesuxelf|Mesuxelf]] 17:20, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

== Bel's Chillarmy ==

How is Bel's Chillarmy a male? It looks more of a guess as it mostly cleans dirty stuff. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 18:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:Because it uses {{m|Attract}} on {{Ash}}'s {{TP|Ash|Snivy}} and it works. :| [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 18:08, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
::also, what does cleaning have to do with its gender [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:15, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks Jo. Its ironic that both of them know attract. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 20:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

== Bel's page ==

Bel's anime counterpart does not deserve its own page, such as Barry and Lyra?[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 18:15, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:She's only appeared in one episode so far, unlike Barry and Lyra. Too early to decide if she should get her own article. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 22:42, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I think she should get her own page especially since she told ash they will meet again. Also there is a trivia point that states she's ash's first female rival, if casey isn't counted. Don't rivals get there own pages? Shooti did after one episode.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 20:40, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
:Shooti doesn't exist in the games, so he didn't already have an article that anime information could be added to. (Besides, it's not just rivals but [[Character of the day|everyone in the anime]] who gets an article.) Bel exists in both the games and the anime, and separate articles for each continuity won't be created without a good reason. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 20:48, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

But it says she is ashs first female rival isn't that reason enough? All rivals get pages if im not mistaken don't they?[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 00:10, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
:I'm going to remove the trivia. If she's not in the rival's box in the character template than she's not a rival yet. We are waiting until she has a significant role before we do anything. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:37, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

== Bel and Barry Design Similarities. ==

*Orange and Green.
*Live Caster and Pokétch.
*Blonde Hair.
*They both carry that pack over their shoulders.
Trivia-worthy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 03:30, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:If you wanna talk overall similarities between the two, there are '''a lot'''. In the anime, they both meet Ash by knocking him off his feet (Barry ran into him; Bianca fell over a rock, thus sending both Cilan and Ash flying into a lake... or whatever). The first time they meet Ash also involves a badge case (Barry loses his when he runs into Ash; Bianca is delivering one). Other similarities would include the first letter of their name (in english, anyway), and the fact that they are both rivals (in the games, possibly in the anime). Their dads actually appear in the games [and possibly in the anime] (Palmer is a frontier brain, Bianca's dad drags her away from training in the game... if I'm correct). Not sure if this information is of any use but.... XD. I'm new at this, if that wasn't evident. Embrace my noobiness ;P.--[[User:BabyRuRu|BabyRuRu]] 03:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

== Move to "Bianca" ==

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/en-us/friends-and-foes/friends/

Thanks in the future. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 01:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:We already have another {{mov|Bianca}} this one isn't going anywhere. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 05:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
::I suggest that now "Bianca" has been moved to "Bianca (movie)", this one should be moved to "Bianca", as she is far more notable than a movie character. In addition, she is not exclusive to the games; she has appeared in both the anime and the manga too. There are no old links regarding movie Bianca linking to Bianca, as I fixed any remaining. There are other incidences where one character is more notable than a CotD (which is what movie characters are) and is at the page itself, leaving a note with {{template|search}} at the top. If not "Bianca", at the very least, she should be moved to {{red link|Bianca (Unova)}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:57, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:::To be perfectly honest, I wasn't implying any of this. I just was expecting a simple replacement, from "Bel (game)" to "Bianca (game)". However with what ya'll said, I wouldn't mind the change to simply be "Bianca". --[[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 20:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I disagree leaving Bianca where she is now is consistent with the other rivals such as Barry, Blue, etc. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 20:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::The other rivals have separate articles for their anime/manga counterparts, so calling them "game" is fine. Bianca only has one article, and all of her counterparts are here, so she is not exclusive to the games. Also, [[Wally]] doesn't get "(game)", probably because of his manga appearance. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:06, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::I don't mean to perpetuate this, but say for example Bianca's anime counterpart gets more screentime and becomes a full rival, like Barry did. In such a case, we would have to separate the game and anime pages anyway. Given her status as a game character, I'd be very surprised if Bianca didn't show up again in the anime. Just my two cents. [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 05:19, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::She's not Ash's rival, yet. We are going to wait for more appearances before we even go there. She could just be another {{an|Casey}}. Anyway, SnorlaxMonster has a point. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:25, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::We can't say, will she, or will she not, thus there is no reason to leave this article with wrong name just because of assumption. If eventually anime Bianca will grow into notable character, the article will be splited. Bulbapedia works with present, as far as I understand, not with possible future. --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 13:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::If her anime counterpart appears often enough, she would deserve her own page. However, at the moment, she only has one page, which is titled as if she is exclusive to the games. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I just don't get it. This article has a well written anime section along with a manga section and still, its name is "Bianca (game)", doesn't make any sense. Just Bianca would be nice till we have a separate anime article for her. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 14:31, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having a disambag doesn't make any sense for only two entries. That is what the "This article is about x. For y, see here" template is for. This Bianca appears as a main character in the games and various manga, and also appears in the anime. The other Bianca only appears in one movie. This article should be moved to [[Bianca]] with a hatnote placed. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:06, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
*I agree with moving it to just "Bianca". [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 14:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::I honestly would like to leave this at it is as of now, since this Bianca is the best known counterpart overall, if Bianca shows up in the anime more often, like {{an|Barry}} or even [[Ritchie]], then I would agree to separate this article onto two. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]] [[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] [[Special:Contributions/Masatoshi|''contribs'']] 14:01, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, she could have an anime article if she appears often enough, but we would likely end up doing it like [[Brock]] and [[Brock (anime)]] due to the manga anyway. This article is not only the game Bianca, so it should not be titled as if it were. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:07, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Exactly. This is not a game only character, thus the (game) tag is misleading. At the very least, this should be moved to (Unova), but this character is going to be more popular then the (movie) Bianca, so she needs to have prominence, and have a "Did you mean ___" notice at the top asking the reader if they meant to look for "Bianca (movie)". That is how things are handled when only 2 instances of a name occur. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 14:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::That would be the best way to go about this. Even if Bianca got a Bianca (anime) page, this should still be at Bianca since it has a manga section as well. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 17:16, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::I also agree for the move to just Bianca for now considering she is a new character and it is better to wait until more information to pile through before newer pages for Bianca are created. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 17:23, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::So what are the final thoughts? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 18:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::(Once again I'm ignored) In my opinion, this article is not just about Biance in the game, it is about Biance in general and so the article should be named Bianca, or even Bianca (Unova), for now. [[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 00:23, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Just throwing in my vote that I think the disambig should be dropped. This article so far comprehensively includes game, manga and anime information. If we had a seperate page for anime, I'd consider leaving it as is, but I think it should be moved. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::CharacterDex <strike>Co-Head</strike> Head Psy wouldn't mind it being Bianca. The movie Bianca, as important as she is in the movie, is just that, a movie character. Rival Bianca is more important than her. Just my little two cents <strike>and judgement</strike>. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 07:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Munny ==

In the games, when (SPOILER) [[Team Plasma]] kidnaps her {{p|Munna}}, Bianca refers to it as ''Munny'', however it has no nickname in later battles of course. Is is trivia worthy? — ∀<tt>[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГѣ]] ∃[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|Talk page]]</tt> 17:11, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

== Name Section ==

The description of her Japanese name says it may be related to the "prefix -''bel''". If it were a prefix, it would be ''bel-'', but I don't know if it is a prefix and the hyphen should be moved, or if it's actually a suffix and the hyphen is in the right place.[[User:Geekvixen|Geekvixen]] 06:55, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

== This and Cheren's title ==

Shouldn't they have "(game)" at the end of their title like [[Silver (game)]]? {{unsigned|Pikachu Bros.}}
:Nope, because it doesn't just cover her in the games. Includes manga as well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
::OK. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 17:13, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

==Manga Pokemon infobox==
The infobox about her Pokemon in Be a Master!! Pokémon BW leads to Pokemon Adventures article about her Oshawott. Could someone fix it or is it intentional? [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 11:15, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
:I would think we're trying to turn Bianca's Oshawott into a collective page, similar to how [[Cilan's Pansage]] (for example) has info from the anime, games, and two different manga. But you might have to ask {{u|Zesty Cactus}} who is the lead head of the manga. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 14:06, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Glasses...? ==

Is it just me, or is that Cheren's glasses she's wearing in B2/W2? ''Drakko'' 21:26, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
:No one knows. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:29, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
::The frames are different. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 06:57, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

== 1st Official Female Rival ==

If your a guy whose played sapphire ruby or emerald May was your rival. But if you're a girl(like me)you know Brendan was your rival but in black and white if your boy or girl Bianca is one your rivals. Trivia worthy? {{Unsigned|Rusa11|21:12, 13 June 2012‎}}
:Since you could have female rivals in Gen III and Gen IV too, no, it's not trivia worthy. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 21:16, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
May is not an official rival because she is only the rival IF YOU ARE A GUY. Which may be hard for you to believe but are not all pokemon fans and who in Gen IV?[[User:Rusa11|Rusa11]] ([[User talk:Rusa11|talk]]) 00:22, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
:May is still an official rival, regardless if you only get her half of the time. --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 00:24, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Ok can I at leased put Bianca as the first fem rival if you are a girl. Or something like that.[[User:Rusa11|Rusa11]] ([[User talk:Rusa11|talk]]) 00:50, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Nope. Been stated by two other users that it is not trivia worthy in the slightest. I have to agree. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 00:57, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Not to mention personal gender means nothing. There are plenty of people out there (like myself) who play as both the Male and Female characters. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:59, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
I met play as a girl not if you are a girl. And okay, understood.[[User:Rusa11|Rusa11]] ([[User talk:Rusa11|talk]]) 16:01, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

== Animated sprite ==

Shouldn't Bianca's sprite be animated like Cheren's and N's (although it seems like the sprites on their pages are static images too)? And the sprite of Bianca on her page right now is from the introduction (the part after you select and name your character) [[User:Alishere|Alishere]] ([[User talk:Alishere|talk]]) 21:50, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

== Age? ==

I was wondering why, exactly, the sidebar states her age is 10 in BW, and 12 in BW2. It was stated numerous times even before the release that her age is at least older than the previous protagonists, and just looking at the picture of her makes it clear she is not a 10 year old. I've never seen a 10 year old with hips like that. Just because trainers usually receive their first pokemon when they're 10 doesn't automatically mean Bianca is 10. [[User:Noka|Noka]] ([[User talk:Noka|talk]]) 18:33, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
:Note the + sign next to the 10 and 12. It means she's '''at least''' that age. Could be 14, 16, or even 18. We don't know. The reason it's there is because Cheren said he knew Bianca for 10 years in BW. Since 2 years passed in BW2, he's known her for 12 years. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:03, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

==Not Professor==
Could it be added in the trivia that Bianca is the only (former) rival that give the starting Pokémon to the trainer and not the professor or did somebody (not rival) did this already?

User:Taposa

2012-04-12T04:03:59Z

Taposa: /* Intro */

Today is {{dotw|Sunday}}
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(May I borrow the Seasons Template?)

Expectation for the [[M15]]:
: High Expectations
:: The events will feature Keldeo. :D (Already in Japanese Events! It's correct!)
:: How about Meleotta!
:Questions

:: If BW, will it unlock a new Pokémon if you trade it to BW2 like Meleotta (wrong spelling...someone correct it).
:: Will Meleotta be included in events?

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==Must-Read Trivia==
*The Japanese name is actually my Chinese name.......but since cname can't work so......
*I contribute by using iOS Devices. I want to make a usertag for this but I don't know what Pokémon is too good to be an apple...

User:Taposa

2012-03-17T17:01:06Z

Taposa:

Today is {{dotw|Sunday}}
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! colspan="2" | [[Seasons#{{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=Spring|February|June|October=Summer|March|July|November=Autumn|April|August|December=Winter}}|{{color|000|{{#time: F}} is {{#switch: {{#time: F}}|January|May|September=spring|February|June|October=summer|March|July|November=autumn|April|August|December=winter}}}}]]
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| align="center" |<big><big><big>冬</big></big></big>
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Winter
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(May I borrow the Seasons Template?)

Expectation for the [[M15]]:
: High Expectations
:: The events will feature Keldeo. :D
:Questions
:: Will it feature Keldeo in [[Pokémon Black and White]] or [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Black and White 2]]?
:: If BW, will it unlock a new Pokémon if you trade it to BW2 like Meleotta (wrong spelling...someone correct it).
:: Will Meleotta be included in events?
:: have a problem.
:: Pls answer ASAP(ly).
:: My internet can't work with my DSi.
:: Before, all of the internet does not work with the DS but works once, but with my brother's DS, it always work.
:: Now, it doesn't work anymore in both DS. The usual problem is Cannot find IP Adress 05200+.
:: Still did not get Event Zekrom and Reshiram. :(

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==Pokémon Games==

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{{User Champion|Pt}}
{{User Champion|SS}} (Well...not yet)
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{{User Walk|Red|492|Shaymin|Grass|Flying}}
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==Must-Read Trivia==
*The Japanese name is actually my Chinese name.......but since cname can't work so......
*I contribute by using iOS Devices. I want to make a usertag for this but I don't know what Pokémon is too good to be an apple...

User:Taposa

2012-03-13T10:03:41Z

Taposa: /* Intro */

Expectation for the [[M15]]:
High Expectations
# The events will feature Keldeo. :D
Questions
# Will it feature Keldeo in [[Pokémon Black and White]] or [[Pokémon Black and White Version 2|Black and White 2]]? If BW, will it unlock a new Pokémon if you trade it to BW2 like Meleotta (wrong spelling...someone correct it).
# Will Meleotta be included in events?
# I have a problem. Pls answer ASAP(ly). My internet can't work with my DSi. Before, all of the internet does not work with the DS but works once, but with my brother's DS, it always work. Now, it doesn't work anymore in both DS. The usual problem is Cannot find IP Adress 05200+. Still did not get Event Zekrom and Reshiram.

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brain=no |
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manga=No|
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==Pokémon Games==

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{{User Champion|P}}
{{User Champion|Pt}}
{{User Champion|SS}} (Well...not yet)
{{User Champion|W}}
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| style=" color: #000;" | This user doesn't go anywhere without {{gender:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|his|her|their}} '''{{color2|000|Pokéwalker}}'''.
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{{User Walk|Red|492|Shaymin|Grass|Flying}}
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! style="background: #{{psychic color light}}; {{#switch:{{{moz|yes}}}|yes={{roundy|60px}}|no=}}" | [[Image:494{{#ifeq:{{{1|}}}|shiny|_s}}.png|60px]]
| style="color: #{{psychic color dark}};" | This user has a {{#ifeq:{{{1|}}}|shiny|[[Shiny Pokémon|shiny]]}} [[Victini (Pokémon)|'''Victini''']].
|} <noinclude>[[Category:Users who have a Victini]]</noinclude>

==Must-Read Trivia==
*The Japanese name is actually my Chinese name.......but since cname can't work so......
*I contribute by using iOS Devices. I want to make a usertag for this but I don't know what Pokémon is too good to be an apple...

User talk:Taposa

2012-01-07T06:33:06Z

Taposa:

==Welcome==
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<div style="float: center;">[[Image:Bulbapedia_logo.png|50px|left]]<big>Welcome to Bulbapedia, Taposa!</big> As a new user, you may wish to learn a few things that will be useful in your editing:</div>
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*{{bp|A guide to Bulbapedia‎|Guide to Bulbapedia}}
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<div style="float: left;"> Thank you, and have a good time editing here!</div><div style="float: right; height: 20px; background: white; border-left: 10px solid #EBF7CF;">  '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 11:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)  </div><div style="float: right; height: 20px; width: 10px; background: #DFF2B1; border-left: 10px solid #D3EC95;"> </div>
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== How by Taposa ==

How do you make a spoiler-like?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 08:33, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
:The one in the info box....[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 06:30, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

== Chat Show ==

If you want to chat. Chat below

===Chat Time===

== User tags ==

Since you're unsure of the problem with your user tags, I thought I'd help. Most of them are still "Open" and need to be "Closed". In other words, they're missing a |} at the end of them. Once you close the open tags, they should be fine. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 16:02, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
:Earlier,I tried adding} so that means I need to try | alone (with } of course) and no other words?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 16:06, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
::Well templates usually start with "{|" therefore they should end with "|}". Here's an example using your single template:

::<nowiki>
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! style="background: #003333; {{#switch:{{{moz|yes}}}|yes={{roundy|60px}}|no=}}" | [[Image:VSBrock.png|60px]]
| style="color: #FFFFFF;" | This user is not in a '''[[wp:dating|relationship]]'''</nowiki>
::'''|}'''

::I've bolded what you need to fix it. It's already in the proper location where it needs to be in my example. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 16:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

== To remember codes ==
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User talk:Taposa

2012-01-07T06:30:19Z

Taposa: /* How by Taposa */

User:Taposa

2012-01-06T18:17:11Z

Taposa:

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corecolor={{blue color light}} |
bordercolor={{red color dark}} |
name=Taposa/Luke |
jname=亚永胜 |
tmname=Luke |
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image=Red Adventures art.png |
size=200px |
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region=[[Johto|Folto]] |
relatives=Unknown |
colors=yes|
eyes=Green|
hair=Black|
Blood=Unknown|
trainer=yes |
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leader=yes |
team= yes|
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brain=no |
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==Projects==
{{User Project Manga}}
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| style="color: #336;" | This user is a member of '''[[Bulbapedia:Project Battrio|Project Battrio]]'''.
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{{User Project Cities and Towns}}
{{User Project Routes}}
{{User Project Locations}}
{{User Project Walkthroughs}}

==Personal==
{{User Manual}}
{{User School|078|Xavier School|AC3838|0080FF}}
{{User Cute|492}}
{{User Country|338|Philippines|0000FF|DC143C|FFFF00}}

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{{User Gible|I have the force because my real name is Luke}!?!?!?}}
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| style="color: #663;" | This user contributes using '''[[wp:Mac OS X {{{1|}}}|Mac OS X {{{1|}}}]]'''.
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==Others==
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| style="color: #936;" | ♥ This user loves '''[[{{{492|Shaymin (Pokémon)}}}|{{{492|Shaymin}}}]]'''. ♥
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| style="color: #636;" | This user can '''{{mcolor|Sing|424|sing}}'''.
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| style="color: #ade;" | This user enjoys '''swimming'''.
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| style=" color:yellow" | This user likes to create [[Fake Pokémon|Fakémon]].
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==Pokémon Games==

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! style="background: #FFFFFF; {{roundy|60px}}" | [[File:Spr BW Ghetsis.png|60px]]
| style="color: #FFFFFF" | This user has beaten '''[[Ghetsis|Ghetsis]]'''!
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{{User Champion|P}}
{{User Champion|Pt}}
{{User Champion|SS}} (Well...not yet)
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| style=" color: #000;" | This user doesn't go anywhere without {{gender:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|his|her|their}} '''{{color2|000|Pokéwalker}}'''.
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{{User Walk|Red|492|Shaymin|Grass|Flying}}
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| style="color: #{{psychic color dark}};" | This user has a {{#ifeq:{{{1|}}}|shiny|[[Shiny Pokémon|shiny]]}} [[Victini (Pokémon)|'''Victini''']].
|} <noinclude>[[Category:Users who have a Victini]]</noinclude>

==Must-Read Trivia==
*The Japanese name is actually my Chinese name.......but since cname can't work so......
*I contribute by using iOS Devices. I want to make a usertag for this but I don't know what Pokémon is too good to be an apple...

Bulbapedia:Project Walkthroughs

2012-01-06T17:45:57Z

Taposa: /* Participants */

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! style="background: #F2F673;" | <big><big><big><big>Project</big></big></big></big>
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! style="background: #F2F673;" | [[File:Project Walkthroughs logo.png|100px]]
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! style="background: #F2F673;" | <big><big><big><big>Walkthroughs</big></big></big></big>
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{{Project leader|{{u|KCorp4000}}}}

Some Bulbapedia members have formed a [[Bulbapedia:Projects|project]] to better organize efforts to write and improve '''walkthroughs'''. If you would like to help, see the [[Bulbapedia:Project Walkthroughs/To-do list|To-Do List]].

=Project Walkthroughs=
===Scope and aims===

Project Walkthroughs covers and aims to make articles that contain '''good quality''' step-by-step walkthroughs that help players as they progress through a game.

===Participants===
To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list:
* {{u|DusclopsTrainer}}-A very Impressive and Extensive Pokemon Emerald Walkthrough with data of Wild Pokemon and Secrets
* {{u|PokePuncherPal12}} - I have Pokemon Platinum and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon BLUE~ And please do read my articles!!!
* {{u|User142}}
* {{u|Pikamikache}}
* {{u|Pokemonpearlwanter}}
* {{u|Pterodactal}}
* {{u|Maths}}
* {{u|Manaphy9}}
* {{u|Cdt888}}
* {{u|SpontaneousCombusken}}
* {{u|Galladeon}}
* {{u|Leong96}}
* {{u|Berrymaster}}
* {{u|Gligar}}
* {{u|DarkToxicroak}}
* {{u|King Leon}}
* {{u|AGGRON999}}-Pokémon Crystal
* {{u|Diby}}
* {{u|Clarky13}}
* {{u|DAWN FAN}}
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* {{u|HybridTheory}}
* {{u|Anangryzapdos}}
* {{u|LucarioSinnoh}}
* {{u|WaterUser}}
* {{u|Malarke}}
* {{u|Smurf}}
* {{u|Banahanr}}
* {{u|Diakia}}
* {{u|Zoroark}}
* {{u|Jackowaco}} - Will work on updating/ improving Pokémon Emerald walkthrough when I find time.
* {{u|Lance123}}
* {{u|Force Fire}}
* {{u|samcharaf}}
* {{u|XRocket}}
* {{u|swampert_rox}}
* {{u|Usyflad10}} - pmd2
* {{u|AngelGuardian}}
* {{u|KCorp4000}} - started with main handhelds, will branch out from there.
* {{u|Kolink}} - starting on Crystal Walkthrough. Page should be up soon.
* {{u|CuboneKing}} - Removing things like "too lazy"...
* {{u|Crystal Shards}} - I will add what I can; to-do lists are my friend!
* {{u|GaryMaister31}}
* {{u|The Bulb's Master}} - I don't know much, but I'll do the best I can!
* {{u|Torterra2234}} - Im working on a complete guide of pokemon platinum
* {{u|tandra88}} - I began the page of Pokémon Platinum, and will be adding.
* {{u|GreenGyarados}} - Already added 16,000 bytes to [[Appendix:Platinum walkthrough|Platinum Walkthrough]
* {{u|Don't Hug Lucario!}} - I'm working on a Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver walkthrough.
* {{u|BumpyBuddy}} - No promises
* {{u|1ted59}}
* {{u|MASTERGroudon}} - I'll help much more when Heartgold comes out. I'll do my best for now.
* {{u|Tyler53841}} - Have all the Gen. III and current Gen. IV handheld games and Battle Revolution. Can help with confirming things as well as checking spelling/grammer. Currently working on my Sapphire game to help provide the Ruby/Sapphire walkthrough with better first hand details. Current progress: 6 badges. Also currently working on with ideas to help with bring better qualities to different aspects of the walkthrough.
* {{u|Kimori-Hinoarashi}} - I have tons of games. I can help most with Ruby, Pearl, and FireRed, because they are my restart games.
* {{u|Combee123}}
* {{u|Smartkidhen}} - Might as well since I just cleaned up [[Appendix:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon opening quiz]] like ***.
* {{u|Daniel2850}} - I'll do Pokémon Platinum!
* {{u|Chimtwig}} - I'll help with R/S Walkthroughs!
* {{u|Chameco}} - I know quite a bit, working on a combined walkthrough of all the stories, using the remakes if they are made. (Complete walkthrough of first FR/LG then HG/SS, R/S/E, D/P/Pt.
* {{u|ShinyPikachu}} - I'll help with DP and Emerald walkthroughs if needed
* {{u|Jello}} - Working on HG/SS...
* {{u|Oz}} - I can work on templates, presentation and grammar. I've got ROMs for Yellow and Crystal, so I can be a proof/checker for those if needed, as well.
* {{u|Loa}} - Will try my best.
* {{u|Eeveemaniac}} - Fairly new here, but willing to lend my support. Really want to dig in and get going, but don't want to overlap or step on toes of those
already in progress. Contact me if you know of something that needs done!
* {{u|Americanrebel91}}- Have walkthroughs from Gold and Silver, Crystal, Ruby and Sapphire, and Emerald.
* {{u|Turtwig A}} - Will attempt to help out with many walkthroughs.
* {{u|tornadoflygon}} - I'll help with the Pokémon Ranger series.
* {{u|Spritemaster}}
* {{u|?????}} - Will do HG/SS when it comes out in English. I can also do Pearl 'cause I beat it last month.
* {{u|Smiley12}} - I have Mystery Dungeon so can help out with that.
* {{u|Hippocampus}} - I just be lazy and watch others' Walkthroughs for fun.
* {{u|lapraslover}} - I finished soulsilver,have all legendaries!
* {{u|ASCII}}
* {{u|MasterKenobi}}
* {{u|Chumsepher}}- New here, but I don't mind helping out.
* {{u|duardognn}}
* {{u|Jigglyshock}
* {{u|Tetrix}} - I have obtained all the 16 badges in the Pokémon SoulSilver, therefore I am very clear-headed with the game. I will do my best to create an accurate walkthrough.
* {{u|Skymin23}} - SS, E, LG, D, P, Pt,
* {{u|Mattman324}} - With the influx of new challanges (IE Nuzlocke), these walkthroughs should be put on top priority so that people can watch out for potential threats to their team, or else suffer the deaths to unwanted crits/attacks. Therefore, since I am playing some of them (Currently Plat), I find that I feel the need to help.
* {{u|gamez7}} - I can help with and HG/SS related things(exept graphics). ★
* {{u|X3Totodile}} - I'm not all there yet with the games, but I can probably help in Platinum and HeartGold walkthroughs. I am new-ish here, but I can help, probably. ♥
* {{u|Munchy Lax}} - I'm new but i have managed my way through [[Pokémon SoulSilver]], [[Pokémon Platinum]], [[Pokémon Pearl]], [[Pokémon Diamond]], [[Pokémon LeafGreen]], [[Pokémon Emerald]], [[Pokémon Ruby]], [[My Pokémon Ranch]], [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], [[Pokémon Rumble]], and [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time]].
* {{u|Fettkid862}} - I'm new, but I've played through several Pokemon games and have several guides.
* {{u|evydude456}} - i have at least 2 games from every pokemon generation and i have the guide to HG/SS. Willing to help.
* {{u|Pokemon026}} - I've played through many of the games several times. I'll contribute wherever I can.
* {{u|Gagaromamah}} - Most Pokémon Games have been played by me more than one time.
* {{u|Medichop}} - I will work on a Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Blue Rescue Team walkthrough.
* {{u|Chalkwriter}} - I've got [[Pokémon Emerald]], [[Pokémon Ruby]], [[Pokémon Ranger]], [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]] and a couple more besides.

* {{u|Legendary Catcher}} - I'll help with [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]] and [[Pokémon Snap]].
* {{u|Dbeckelheimer6}}
* {{u|Stephen_Keane}} - Willing to get any required screenshots for any Gen 1,Gen 2, Gen3 or Platinum
* {{u|Pokémaniac John}} - Can do walkthroughs for many side games as well as main series! Best at pre-Gen4 material.
* {{u|BrokenWombat}} - Best with material from Gen I and Gen II. Can also add to SoulSilver/HeartGold info. Played through Platinum as well.
* {{u|Super Ampharos}} - Can do Mystery Dungeon 1&2 and Ranger 2 (Shadows of Almia). Also can contribute to all Gen. IV games.
* {{u|Jlin8002}} - I can help with Gen IV game
* {{u|ledfordb1}} - I can help with gen 3 and 4 and 5 when it comes out in the USA.
* {{u|Pokemon26}} - I have 12 years of experience and can help with Generation 3, 4, and 5 when it is out in the USA.
* {{u|Chiefboz}} - I have ten Pokémon games and will help out with any Generation 3 or higher game (so long as it's out in the US). I have Emerald, FireRed, LeafGreen, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold, Mystery Dungeon (Blue Rescue Team, Explorers of Darkness, Explorers of Sky) and Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia. I love this kind of thing and will help out hwenever you need it!
* {{u|444Zekrom}} - I am the currently the sole, very, very, unofficial leader of the Mystery Dungeon 2 and Black and White walkthroughs. Very.
* {{u|jackowaco}} - Emerald
* {{u|Pokemaniac72}} - can help with any of the main series games for all portable generations 1-4 and also Black and White when i get the games can also do the entire ranger series and mystery dungeon series so long as its mystery dungeon ds also have black in japanese now
* {{u|Shining Latios}} - I have access to all games so I'll try to help with everything I can.
* {{u|Chocos0}} - I get the games as soon as they're out, so I'll try. I'll write as I play.
* {{u|Kaychun}} - I will help as much as I can.
* {{u|BeeBwakka}}
* {{u|Shadow Walker}} - I will try my best to help people's gaming experience.
* {{u|The doctor9}} - I'm a veteran Pokémon player, and I can be called upon for help with any of the main series games.
* {{u|Arrogios}} - I've played Yellow, Gold, Ruby, Emerald, Diamond, Platinum, HeartGold, Soulsilver, some of Guardian Signs, some of Black, and White.
* {{u|Blazer}} - Gonna add walkthroughs for Pokemon Emerald, have even made 2!
* {{u|Meearaimeng}} - Well-known stragety of fast way to complete game.
* {{u|alebcay}}
* {{u|Alex64}}
* {{u|Pelfrey34}} - been playing since the very beginning. dont do cheats or watch the anime, i just know the games. ill help with the tcg and platinum when i get around to it
* {{u|Sonicboom112}} - Started since Gen I, also LPer on Youtube. I'll help out whenever anyone needs.
* {{u|Lazer}} - Happy to help.
* {{u|Pokabu82}} - I will do all I can for Pokémon Ranger & Poképark Wii!!!
* {{u|Plato Platinum}} - Haven't got the hang of formatting yet, but I'll do my best!
* {{u|Deonnim}} - I've played some of Blue, Red & Yellow. I've played through HeartGold & Platinum, and am anticipating Black/White. Would love to help out in whatever way I possibly can
* {{u|Pokemaster97}} - Helping out with the Ranger and Mystery Dungon Series.
* {{u|Rammsteinrules}}
* {{u|TFSpock}} - I'm great with Gen. IV, and the last two ranger games. I'll also try to help with Mystery Dungeon/
* {{u|Whitewater257}}
* {{u|Uncollama}} - happy to help out with 3rd and 4th gen walkthroughs and spelling and grammar
* {{u|SandileStorm}} - I can help the Pokemon Platinum Walkthrough.
* {{u|PokemonForever1999}} - ★I can help out with FR/LG, HG/SS , D/P/PL , R/S/E and in any way i can!!!
* {{u|Burgermunch}}
* {{u|Teamg9}} - I can help with Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time , Darkness , Sky and B/W.
* {{u|Thor the Elekid}} - I can help with HG/B&W/Platinum. I specialize in Pokémon areas.
* {{u|Focus58}} - I'm gonna help with grammar and strategies for the tough trainers in RBY, GSC, RS, FRLG, DPPt, HGSS, BW (Love the game!), Pokemon Ranger 2, Explorers of Time/Darkness, TCG GB, and some other stuff!
* {{u|Zoster206}}
* {{u|keekk1}} - I can help with Sinnoh and Orre based games, and with Pokemon Channel and Pokepark (:
* {{U|Koreonrocks}} 01:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)-I can help with the Gen. IV!
* {{u|master crazy hand}} - I have beaten over 10 main series games and over 5 spin-offs
* {{u|TheSeviper}}
* {{u|Cat in the Fedora Hat}} -I can absolutely help with Generation V!
* {{u|Charizard Colour}} - I can help with any main games and the Mystery Dungeon series
* {{u|TheTK}} - I will help on PMD Red&Blue
* {{u|YoshisWorld}} -Already helped out with some Mystery Dungeon EOS already, so why not?
* {{u|Mpgiii}} - I just started working on the TCG, if anyone can help with gameplay shots that would be greatly appreciated.
* {{u|arceuscl405}} - I've got about 15 Pokemon games, I'll really help out.
* {{u|SuperAipom7}} I'll see what I can do.
* {{u|DonofLizards}} Will work on Emerald and Platinum.
* {{u|Tony YKS}} - The Pokemon Diamond And Pearl Walkthrough is not complete. I can help with that and Pokemon HeartGold And SoulSilver Walkthrough.
* {{u|Xanx2000}} - Played through all of 3rd and 4th gen, will help out and also improve anything I see needs improvement.
* {{u|Epsilonexus}} I shall [[Bulbapedia:WikiGnome|gnome]]
* {{u|Volcronaperson}} - My Diamond is at just the right place to continue the D/P walkthrough
* {{u|JLomb}} - Got Pokemon Stadium 2 and the guide, both in working condition.
*{{u|lotsofllamas}}-do great in gen 4 and glad to help with anything especially honey trees or bug types
* {{u|Drifblim45}}-I own 6 Pokémon games and I know a lot about most of the games I own and about the ones I don't own. So I can help with writing good strategies for new players.
* {{u|PokeGirlStar}}- ☆I'm new to this, but I'll do my best!☆
* {{u|alebcay}}- Wish me luck!
* {{u|GoldenCelebi}} - will focus on HeartGold/SoulSilver post-[[National Pokédex]]
*{{u|Taposa}} - Will try to this :)

== Structure of a page ("Pokémon ... Version") ==
=== Top ===
:When focusing on a pair of older versions that have since been remade, the page should link to the target pair, the remake pair, and the appendix page for the remake pair's walkthrough.

<center> This is the Bulbapedia walkthrough for [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions]]. This walkthrough follows the original [[Game Boy]] version, not {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}. The guide for those can be found [[FrLg walkthrough section 01|here]].</center>

-----

=== Headlines ===
:Each route or city should be included in a level-2 headline.
::<code> == Pallet Town == </code>

 
:Also, any important locations found within a route should be included in a level-3 headline within that route's section.
::<code> == Route 120 == </code>
::<code> === Ancient Tomb === </code>

=== Images ===
:There should be map image posted for every new location visited by the player. The image can be placed on either the left or right side of the page near that area's level-2 headline, and should use the "thumb" option to show a thumbnail of the larger image.
::<nowiki> == Route 20 == </nowiki>
::<nowiki> [[Image:Route 20.png|thumb|right|Route 20]] </nowiki>

 
:If the image needs to be shrunk/expanded to fit the page, then include ###px.
::<nowiki> [[Image:Route 20.png|thumb|right|</nowiki>{{color|{{red color}}|150px}}<nowiki>|Route 20]] </nowiki>

=== Trainers ===
<pre>
{| class="expandable" align="right" style="background: #{{gamename color light}};
{{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{gamename color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Trainers
|-
|
Put Trainer information table here,
which can be pulled straight from the location pages.
|}
</pre>

{| class="expandable" align="right" style="background: #{{blue color light}}; {{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{red color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Trainers
|-
|
{{Trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|GenIBugcatcher.png|Bug Catcher||60|2|013|Weedle||6||010|Caterpie||6|||}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GenIBugcatcher.png|Bug Catcher||70|3|013|Weedle||7||014|Kakuna||7||013|Weedle||7|||}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GenIBugcatcher.png|Bug Catcher||90|1|013|Weedle||9|||}}
{{Trainerfooter|land|I}}
|}

:The Trainer battle information should be included wherever a Trainer battle can take place, and should be placed on the left side of the page.

=== Pokémon ===
:Every location where the player can obtain a Pokémon, wild or gift, should include the following details for each:
::* name
::* encounter rate
::* level(s)
::* area details, such as Grass, Cave, Fishing, Surfing, etc.
:This information, taken from the specific location's page, should be placed on the collapsible background, colored according to the version(s).

==== When time of day is not used ====
:Locations in [[Kanto]] and [[Hoenn]], and other areas where time of day does not affect encounter rates, should use this template:

 
<pre>{| class="expandable" align="center" style="background: #{{gamename color light}};
{{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{gamename color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Available Pokémon
|-
|
Put the Pokémon information table here,
which can be pulled straight from the location pages.
|}</pre>

{| class="expandable" align="center" style="background: #{{sapphire color light}}; {{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{ruby color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Available Pokémon
|-
|
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry3|322|Numel|yes|yes|yes|Grass|22|55%|type1=Fire|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry3|066|Machop|yes|yes|yes|Grass|20|25%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry3|325|Spoink|yes|yes|yes|Grass|20|20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}
|}

==== When time of day is used ====
:Locations in [[Johto]] and [[Sinnoh]], and other areas where time of day does affect encounter rates, should use the following template instead:

 
<pre>
{| class="expandable" align="center" style="background: #{{(Game Name) color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{(Game Name) color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Available Pokémon
|-
|
Put the Pokémon information table here,
which can be pulled straight from the location pages.
|}
</pre>

{| class="expandable" align="center" style="background: #{{Pearl color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{Diamond color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Available Pokémon
|-
|
{{catch/header|land}}
{{catch/entry4|265|Wurmple|yes|yes|no|Grass|10-11|30%|||type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry4|406|Budew|yes|yes|no|Grass|10-12|29%|||type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry4|265|Wurmple|yes|yes|no|Grass|10-11||30%||type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry4|406|Budew|yes|yes|no|Grass|10-12||29%||type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry4|198|Murkrow|yes|no|no|Grass|10-11|||20%|type1=Dark|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry4|200|Misdreavus|no|yes|no|Grass|10-11|||20%|type1=Ghost}}
{{catch/entry4|266|Silcoon|yes|no|no|Grass|10|20%|20%|20%|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry4|268|Cascoon|no|yes|no|Grass|10|20%|20%|20%|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry4|427|Buneary|yes|yes|no|Grass|10-12|19%|19%|19%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry4|267|Beautifly|yes|no|no|Grass|10-12|2%|2%|2%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry4|269|Dustox|no|yes|no|Grass|10-12|2%|2%|2%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/footer}}
|}

:Each group of Pokémon should be listed with the highest encounter rate first, and decreasing from there. If more than one Pokémon species have the same percent, they should then be listed in National Dex order. 

=== Bosses ===
==== Gym battles ====
:Each section that focuses on a city's Gym should use the following, which includes the Gym name, badge image, junior Trainer(s), and Gym Leader.

<pre>
{| align="center"
|- align="center" valign="top"
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{typename color}};
{{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{typename color light}};"
|- align="center"
! cityname Gym [[Image:badgename Badge.png|35px|The bagename Badge]] 
|-
|
{| align="center" class="expandable" style="background: #{{typename color}};
{{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{typename color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Trainers
|-
|
Put the Trainer information table here,
which can be pulled straight from the location pages
|}

Put the Gym Leader information table here,
which can be pulled straight from the location pages
|}
|}
</pre>

{| align="center"
|- align="center" valign="top"
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{rock color}}; {{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{rock color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Pewter Gym [[Image:Boulder Badge.png|35px|The Boulder Badge]] 
|-
|
{| align="center" class="expandable" style="background: #{{rock color}}; {{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{rock color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Trainers
|-
|
{{Trainerheader|Rock}}
{{Trainerentry|GenIJrTrainerMale.png|Camper{{!}}Jr. Trainer||220|2|050|Diglett|♂|11|None|027|Sandshrew|♂|11|None}}
{{Trainerfooter|Rock||Inside}}
|}

{{Party|
color={{rock color}}|
bordercolor={{rock color dark}}|
headcolor={{rock color light}}|
sprite=Brockblue.png|
prize={{pdollar}}1386|
class=Leader|
name=Brock|
game=RGB|
location=Pewter Gym|
pokemon=2|
pokemon1={{Pokémon|
gen=1|
ndex=074|
game=Red|
pokemon=Geodude|
level=12|
type1=Rock|
type2=Ground|
move1=Tackle|
move1type=Normal|
move2=Defense Curl|
move2type=Normal}}|
pokemon2={{Pokémon|
gen=1|
ndex=095|
pokemon=Onix|
game=Red|
level=14|
type1=Rock|
type2=Ground|
move1=Tackle|
move1type=Normal|
move2=Screech|
move2type=Normal|
move3=Bide|
move3type=Normal|
move4=Bind|
move4type=Normal}}
}}
|}
|}

==== The rival ====
:The rival's party should be lined up horizontally across the page, in order to avoid the extra unused space and stretching the page out.

<pre>
{| align="center"
! {{MS|#|Pokémon1 (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Pokémon1}}:
! {{MS|#|Pokémon2 (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Pokémon2}}:
! {{MS|#|Pokémon3 (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Pokémon3}}:
|-
|Put the rival information table here, which can be pulled straight
from location pages

|Put the rival information table here, which can be pulled straight
from location pages

|Put the rival information table here, which can be pulled straight
from location pages

|}
</pre>
 
{| align="center"
! {{MS|152|Chikorita (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chikorita}}:
! {{MS|155|Cyndaquil (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Cyndaquil}}:
! {{MS|158|Totodile (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Totodile}}:
|-
|{{Party|color={{SoulSilver color}}|headcolor={{SoulSilver color light}}|bordercolor={{SoulSilver color dark}}
|sprite=SilverHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Passerby
|name=Boy
|game=HGSS
|location=Cherrygrove City
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon|gen=4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=155|pokemon=Cyndaquil
|gender=male|level=5|type1=Fire|ability=Blaze
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}}}

|{{Party|color={{SoulSilver color}}|headcolor={{SoulSilver color light}}|bordercolor={{SoulSilver color dark}}
|sprite=SilverHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Passerby
|name=Boy
|game=HGSS
|location=Cherrygrove City
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon|gen=4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=158|pokemon=Totodile
|gender=male|level=5|type1=Water|ability=Torrent
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}}}

|{{Party|color={{SoulSilver color}}|headcolor={{SoulSilver color light}}|bordercolor={{SoulSilver color dark}}
|sprite=SilverHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Passerby
|name=Boy
|game=HGSS
|location=Cherrygrove City
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon|gen=4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=152|pokemon=Chikorita
|gender=male|level=5|type1=Grass|ability=Overgrow
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}}}
|}

=== Bottom ===
:Each page should have a link to both the previous and next sections.

:* First page:
<pre>
{{WalkthroughPrevNext |
game=? |
game2=? |
gamename=?|
prev=no |
next=yes |
prevsection=no |
nextsection=? |
prevname=no |
nextname=?
}}
</pre>

{{WalkthroughPrevNext |
game=Gold |
game2=Silver |
gamename=Gold and Silver |
prev=no |
next=yes |
prevsection=no |
nextsection=2 |
prevname=no |
nextname=Cherrygrove City, Mr. Pokémon's house, Elm's lab
}}

:* Last page:

<pre>
{{WalkthroughPrevNext |
game=? |
game2=? |
gamename=?|
prev=yes |
next=no |
prevsection=? |
nextsection=no|
prevname=?? |
nextname=no
}}
</pre>

{{WalkthroughPrevNext |
game=Gold |
game2=Silver |
gamename=Gold and Silver |
prev=yes |
next=no |
prevsection=27 |
nextsection=no |
prevname=Route 22, Route 28 |
nextname=no
}}

:* Everything in-between:

<pre>
{{WalkthroughPrevNext |
game=? |
game2=? |
gamename=?|
prev=yes |
next=yes |
prevsection=? |
nextsection=? |
prevname=? |
nextname=?
}}
</pre>

{{WalkthroughPrevNext |
game=Gold |
game2=Silver |
gamename=Gold and Silver |
prev=yes |
next=yes |
prevsection=14 |
nextsection=16 |
prevname=Route 27, Route 26, Victory Road |
nextname=Back in New Bark Town, S.S. Aqua, Vermilion City |
}}

== Structure of a page (Other games) ==
:Most mechanics from the "Version" games do not carry over to other games, so walkthroughs on these games cannot be expected to follow the previous layout. These games should describe their own respective venues in as encyclopedic a manner as possible. This includes all opponents, missions, locations, etc.

=== Pokémon Stadium games ===
:* Gym Leader Castle
:* Stadium Mode (Pika Cup, Petit Cup, Poké Cup, Prime Cup)
:* Kid's Club (description of the mini games)

=== Pokémon Colosseum & Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness ===
:* Story Mode
:* Colosseum venues
::* Phenac Colosseum (Pokémon Colosseum only)
::* Pyrite Colosseum
::* Under Colosseum (Pokémon Colosseum only)
::* Orre Colosseum
::* Tower Colosseum

=== Pokémon Battle Revolution ===
:This guide should detail all opposing Trainers in each Colosseum.
:* Gateway Colosseum
:* Main Street Colosseum
:* Waterfall Colosseum
:* Neon Colosseum
:* Crystal Colosseum
:* Sunny Park Colosseum
:* Magma Colosseum
:* Sunset Colosseum
:* Courtyard Colosseum
:* Stargazer Colosseum

=== Pokémon Snap ===
:This guide should include the Pokémon found in each course, as well as the six Pokémon signs.
:* Beach
:* Tunnel
:* Volcano
:* River
:* Cave
:* Valley
:* Rainbow Cloud

=== Pokémon TCG ===
:This guide should detail the eight Pokémon Clubs and their Club Masters, the four Grand Masters, and the Champion.
:* Grass (Nikki)
:* Poison (Rick)
:* Fire (Ken)
:* Water (Amy)
:* Lightning (Isaac)
:* Psychic (Murray)
:* Rock (Gene)
:* Fighting (Mitch)
 
:* Courtney (Fire)
:* Steve (Electric)
:* Jack (Ice)
:* Rod (Dragon)
:* Ronald (all types)



=== Pokémon Puzzle League ===
:This guide should focus on Puzzle University, where the player must swap the blocks in a certain number of moves.

=== Pokémon Puzzle Challenge ===
:This guide should focus on Single-Player Mode's "Challenge" feature, where the player advances the story by defeating the Johto Gym Leaders.

=== Pokémon Trozei! ===
:This guide should present the game's Adventure Mode, where Lucy Fleetfoot attempts to take down the Phobos Battalion.

=== PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure ===
:This guide should describe the attractions, as well as the various Zones.
:* Bulbasaur's Daring Dash
:* Venusaur's Vine Swing
:* Gyarados' Aqua Dash
:* Blaziken's Boulder Bash
:* Pelipper's Circle Circuit
:* Absol's Hurdle Bounce
:* Salamence's Air Ace
:* Rayquaza's Balloon Panic
:* Empoleon's Snow Slide
:* Bastiodon's Block Barrage
:* Rhyperior's Bumper Burn
:* Tangrowth's Swing-Along
:* Dusknoir's Speed Slam
:* Rotom's Spooky Shoot-'em-Up
 
:*Beach Zone
:*Cavern Zone
:*Lava Zone
:*Flower Zone
:*Granite Zone
:*Meadow Zone
:*Meeting Place
:*Sky Pavilion

=== Mystery Dungeon: Red & Blue, Time & Darkness, Sky ===
:This guide should follow the story, dividing each section according to the games' chapters.

===Pokémon Ranger series===
:Each section should focus on a single mission from the story.

== Other ==
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:{{walkthrough|Emerald}}

=== Parent project ===
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User:Taposa

2012-01-06T17:21:08Z

Taposa:

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Bulbapedia:Project Walkthroughs

2012-01-06T16:13:49Z

Taposa: /* Participants */

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Some Bulbapedia members have formed a [[Bulbapedia:Projects|project]] to better organize efforts to write and improve '''walkthroughs'''. If you would like to help, see the [[Bulbapedia:Project Walkthroughs/To-do list|To-Do List]].

=Project Walkthroughs=
===Scope and aims===

Project Walkthroughs covers and aims to make articles that contain '''good quality''' step-by-step walkthroughs that help players as they progress through a game.

===Participants===
To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list:
* {{u|DusclopsTrainer}}-A very Impressive and Extensive Pokemon Emerald Walkthrough with data of Wild Pokemon and Secrets
* {{u|PokePuncherPal12}} - I have Pokemon Platinum and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon BLUE~ And please do read my articles!!!
* {{u|User142}}
* {{u|Pikamikache}}
* {{u|Pokemonpearlwanter}}
* {{u|Pterodactal}}
* {{u|Maths}}
* {{u|Manaphy9}}
* {{u|Cdt888}}
* {{u|SpontaneousCombusken}}
* {{u|Galladeon}}
* {{u|Leong96}}
* {{u|Berrymaster}}
* {{u|Gligar}}
* {{u|DarkToxicroak}}
* {{u|King Leon}}
* {{u|AGGRON999}}-Pokémon Crystal
* {{u|Diby}}
* {{u|Clarky13}}
* {{u|DAWN FAN}}
* {{u|Alsabeehaazooz}}
* {{u|HybridTheory}}
* {{u|Anangryzapdos}}
* {{u|LucarioSinnoh}}
* {{u|WaterUser}}
* {{u|Malarke}}
* {{u|Smurf}}
* {{u|Banahanr}}
* {{u|Diakia}}
* {{u|Zoroark}}
* {{u|Jackowaco}} - Will work on updating/ improving Pokémon Emerald walkthrough when I find time.
* {{u|Lance123}}
* {{u|Force Fire}}
* {{u|samcharaf}}
* {{u|XRocket}}
* {{u|swampert_rox}}
* {{u|Usyflad10}} - pmd2
* {{u|AngelGuardian}}
* {{u|KCorp4000}} - started with main handhelds, will branch out from there.
* {{u|Kolink}} - starting on Crystal Walkthrough. Page should be up soon.
* {{u|CuboneKing}} - Removing things like "too lazy"...
* {{u|Crystal Shards}} - I will add what I can; to-do lists are my friend!
* {{u|GaryMaister31}}
* {{u|The Bulb's Master}} - I don't know much, but I'll do the best I can!
* {{u|Torterra2234}} - Im working on a complete guide of pokemon platinum
* {{u|tandra88}} - I began the page of Pokémon Platinum, and will be adding.
* {{u|GreenGyarados}} - Already added 16,000 bytes to [[Appendix:Platinum walkthrough|Platinum Walkthrough]
* {{u|Don't Hug Lucario!}} - I'm working on a Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver walkthrough.
* {{u|BumpyBuddy}} - No promises
* {{u|1ted59}}
* {{u|MASTERGroudon}} - I'll help much more when Heartgold comes out. I'll do my best for now.
* {{u|Tyler53841}} - Have all the Gen. III and current Gen. IV handheld games and Battle Revolution. Can help with confirming things as well as checking spelling/grammer. Currently working on my Sapphire game to help provide the Ruby/Sapphire walkthrough with better first hand details. Current progress: 6 badges. Also currently working on with ideas to help with bring better qualities to different aspects of the walkthrough.
* {{u|Kimori-Hinoarashi}} - I have tons of games. I can help most with Ruby, Pearl, and FireRed, because they are my restart games.
* {{u|Combee123}}
* {{u|Smartkidhen}} - Might as well since I just cleaned up [[Appendix:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon opening quiz]] like ***.
* {{u|Daniel2850}} - I'll do Pokémon Platinum!
* {{u|Chimtwig}} - I'll help with R/S Walkthroughs!
* {{u|Chameco}} - I know quite a bit, working on a combined walkthrough of all the stories, using the remakes if they are made. (Complete walkthrough of first FR/LG then HG/SS, R/S/E, D/P/Pt.
* {{u|ShinyPikachu}} - I'll help with DP and Emerald walkthroughs if needed
* {{u|Jello}} - Working on HG/SS...
* {{u|Oz}} - I can work on templates, presentation and grammar. I've got ROMs for Yellow and Crystal, so I can be a proof/checker for those if needed, as well.
* {{u|Loa}} - Will try my best.
* {{u|Eeveemaniac}} - Fairly new here, but willing to lend my support. Really want to dig in and get going, but don't want to overlap or step on toes of those
already in progress. Contact me if you know of something that needs done!
* {{u|Americanrebel91}}- Have walkthroughs from Gold and Silver, Crystal, Ruby and Sapphire, and Emerald.
* {{u|Turtwig A}} - Will attempt to help out with many walkthroughs.
* {{u|tornadoflygon}} - I'll help with the Pokémon Ranger series.
* {{u|Spritemaster}}
* {{u|?????}} - Will do HG/SS when it comes out in English. I can also do Pearl 'cause I beat it last month.
* {{u|Smiley12}} - I have Mystery Dungeon so can help out with that.
* {{u|Hippocampus}} - I just be lazy and watch others' Walkthroughs for fun.
* {{u|lapraslover}} - I finished soulsilver,have all legendaries!
* {{u|ASCII}}
* {{u|MasterKenobi}}
* {{u|Chumsepher}}- New here, but I don't mind helping out.
* {{u|duardognn}}
* {{u|Jigglyshock}
* {{u|Tetrix}} - I have obtained all the 16 badges in the Pokémon SoulSilver, therefore I am very clear-headed with the game. I will do my best to create an accurate walkthrough.
* {{u|Skymin23}} - SS, E, LG, D, P, Pt,
* {{u|Mattman324}} - With the influx of new challanges (IE Nuzlocke), these walkthroughs should be put on top priority so that people can watch out for potential threats to their team, or else suffer the deaths to unwanted crits/attacks. Therefore, since I am playing some of them (Currently Plat), I find that I feel the need to help.
* {{u|gamez7}} - I can help with and HG/SS related things(exept graphics). ★
* {{u|X3Totodile}} - I'm not all there yet with the games, but I can probably help in Platinum and HeartGold walkthroughs. I am new-ish here, but I can help, probably. ♥
* {{u|Munchy Lax}} - I'm new but i have managed my way through [[Pokémon SoulSilver]], [[Pokémon Platinum]], [[Pokémon Pearl]], [[Pokémon Diamond]], [[Pokémon LeafGreen]], [[Pokémon Emerald]], [[Pokémon Ruby]], [[My Pokémon Ranch]], [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], [[Pokémon Rumble]], and [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time]].
* {{u|Fettkid862}} - I'm new, but I've played through several Pokemon games and have several guides.
* {{u|evydude456}} - i have at least 2 games from every pokemon generation and i have the guide to HG/SS. Willing to help.
* {{u|Pokemon026}} - I've played through many of the games several times. I'll contribute wherever I can.
* {{u|Gagaromamah}} - Most Pokémon Games have been played by me more than one time.
* {{u|Medichop}} - I will work on a Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Blue Rescue Team walkthrough.
* {{u|Chalkwriter}} - I've got [[Pokémon Emerald]], [[Pokémon Ruby]], [[Pokémon Ranger]], [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]] and a couple more besides.

* {{u|Legendary Catcher}} - I'll help with [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]] and [[Pokémon Snap]].
* {{u|Dbeckelheimer6}}
* {{u|Stephen_Keane}} - Willing to get any required screenshots for any Gen 1,Gen 2, Gen3 or Platinum
* {{u|Pokémaniac John}} - Can do walkthroughs for many side games as well as main series! Best at pre-Gen4 material.
* {{u|BrokenWombat}} - Best with material from Gen I and Gen II. Can also add to SoulSilver/HeartGold info. Played through Platinum as well.
* {{u|Super Ampharos}} - Can do Mystery Dungeon 1&2 and Ranger 2 (Shadows of Almia). Also can contribute to all Gen. IV games.
* {{u|Jlin8002}} - I can help with Gen IV game
* {{u|ledfordb1}} - I can help with gen 3 and 4 and 5 when it comes out in the USA.
* {{u|Pokemon26}} - I have 12 years of experience and can help with Generation 3, 4, and 5 when it is out in the USA.
* {{u|Chiefboz}} - I have ten Pokémon games and will help out with any Generation 3 or higher game (so long as it's out in the US). I have Emerald, FireRed, LeafGreen, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold, Mystery Dungeon (Blue Rescue Team, Explorers of Darkness, Explorers of Sky) and Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia. I love this kind of thing and will help out hwenever you need it!
* {{u|444Zekrom}} - I am the currently the sole, very, very, unofficial leader of the Mystery Dungeon 2 and Black and White walkthroughs. Very.
* {{u|jackowaco}} - Emerald
* {{u|Pokemaniac72}} - can help with any of the main series games for all portable generations 1-4 and also Black and White when i get the games can also do the entire ranger series and mystery dungeon series so long as its mystery dungeon ds also have black in japanese now
* {{u|Shining Latios}} - I have access to all games so I'll try to help with everything I can.
* {{u|Chocos0}} - I get the games as soon as they're out, so I'll try. I'll write as I play.
* {{u|Kaychun}} - I will help as much as I can.
* {{u|BeeBwakka}}
* {{u|Shadow Walker}} - I will try my best to help people's gaming experience.
* {{u|The doctor9}} - I'm a veteran Pokémon player, and I can be called upon for help with any of the main series games.
* {{u|Arrogios}} - I've played Yellow, Gold, Ruby, Emerald, Diamond, Platinum, HeartGold, Soulsilver, some of Guardian Signs, some of Black, and White.
* {{u|Blazer}} - Gonna add walkthroughs for Pokemon Emerald, have even made 2!
* {{u|Meearaimeng}} - Well-known stragety of fast way to complete game.
* {{u|alebcay}}
* {{u|Alex64}}
* {{u|Pelfrey34}} - been playing since the very beginning. dont do cheats or watch the anime, i just know the games. ill help with the tcg and platinum when i get around to it
* {{u|Sonicboom112}} - Started since Gen I, also LPer on Youtube. I'll help out whenever anyone needs.
* {{u|Lazer}} - Happy to help.
* {{u|Pokabu82}} - I will do all I can for Pokémon Ranger & Poképark Wii!!!
* {{u|Plato Platinum}} - Haven't got the hang of formatting yet, but I'll do my best!
* {{u|Deonnim}} - I've played some of Blue, Red & Yellow. I've played through HeartGold & Platinum, and am anticipating Black/White. Would love to help out in whatever way I possibly can
* {{u|Pokemaster97}} - Helping out with the Ranger and Mystery Dungon Series.
* {{u|Rammsteinrules}}
* {{u|TFSpock}} - I'm great with Gen. IV, and the last two ranger games. I'll also try to help with Mystery Dungeon/
* {{u|Whitewater257}}
* {{u|Uncollama}} - happy to help out with 3rd and 4th gen walkthroughs and spelling and grammar
* {{u|SandileStorm}} - I can help the Pokemon Platinum Walkthrough.
* {{u|PokemonForever1999}} - ★I can help out with FR/LG, HG/SS , D/P/PL , R/S/E and in any way i can!!!
* {{u|Burgermunch}}
* {{u|Teamg9}} - I can help with Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time , Darkness , Sky and B/W.
* {{u|Thor the Elekid}} - I can help with HG/B&W/Platinum. I specialize in Pokémon areas.
* {{u|Focus58}} - I'm gonna help with grammar and strategies for the tough trainers in RBY, GSC, RS, FRLG, DPPt, HGSS, BW (Love the game!), Pokemon Ranger 2, Explorers of Time/Darkness, TCG GB, and some other stuff!
* {{u|Zoster206}}
* {{u|keekk1}} - I can help with Sinnoh and Orre based games, and with Pokemon Channel and Pokepark (:
* {{U|Koreonrocks}} 01:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)-I can help with the Gen. IV!
* {{u|master crazy hand}} - I have beaten over 10 main series games and over 5 spin-offs
* {{u|TheSeviper}}
* {{u|Cat in the Fedora Hat}} -I can absolutely help with Generation V!
* {{u|Charizard Colour}} - I can help with any main games and the Mystery Dungeon series
* {{u|TheTK}} - I will help on PMD Red&Blue
* {{u|YoshisWorld}} -Already helped out with some Mystery Dungeon EOS already, so why not?
* {{u|Mpgiii}} - I just started working on the TCG, if anyone can help with gameplay shots that would be greatly appreciated.
* {{u|arceuscl405}} - I've got about 15 Pokemon games, I'll really help out.
* {{u|SuperAipom7}} I'll see what I can do.
* {{u|DonofLizards}} Will work on Emerald and Platinum.
* {{u|Tony YKS}} - The Pokemon Diamond And Pearl Walkthrough is not complete. I can help with that and Pokemon HeartGold And SoulSilver Walkthrough.
* {{u|Xanx2000}} - Played through all of 3rd and 4th gen, will help out and also improve anything I see needs improvement.
* {{u|Epsilonexus}} I shall [[Bulbapedia:WikiGnome|gnome]]
* {{u|Volcronaperson}} - My Diamond is at just the right place to continue the D/P walkthrough
* {{u|JLomb}} - Got Pokemon Stadium 2 and the guide, both in working condition.
*{{u|lotsofllamas}}-do great in gen 4 and glad to help with anything especially honey trees or bug types
* {{u|Drifblim45}}-I own 6 Pokémon games and I know a lot about most of the games I own and about the ones I don't own. So I can help with writing good strategies for new players.
* {{u|PokeGirlStar}}- ☆I'm new to this, but I'll do my best!☆
* {{u|alebcay}}- Wish me luck!
* {{u|GoldenCelebi}} - will focus on HeartGold/SoulSilver post-[[National Pokédex]]
*{{u|Tapoda}} - Will try to this :)

== Structure of a page ("Pokémon ... Version") ==
=== Top ===
:When focusing on a pair of older versions that have since been remade, the page should link to the target pair, the remake pair, and the appendix page for the remake pair's walkthrough.

<center> This is the Bulbapedia walkthrough for [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions]]. This walkthrough follows the original [[Game Boy]] version, not {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}. The guide for those can be found [[FrLg walkthrough section 01|here]].</center>

-----

=== Headlines ===
:Each route or city should be included in a level-2 headline.
::<code> == Pallet Town == </code>

 
:Also, any important locations found within a route should be included in a level-3 headline within that route's section.
::<code> == Route 120 == </code>
::<code> === Ancient Tomb === </code>

=== Images ===
:There should be map image posted for every new location visited by the player. The image can be placed on either the left or right side of the page near that area's level-2 headline, and should use the "thumb" option to show a thumbnail of the larger image.
::<nowiki> == Route 20 == </nowiki>
::<nowiki> [[Image:Route 20.png|thumb|right|Route 20]] </nowiki>

 
:If the image needs to be shrunk/expanded to fit the page, then include ###px.
::<nowiki> [[Image:Route 20.png|thumb|right|</nowiki>{{color|{{red color}}|150px}}<nowiki>|Route 20]] </nowiki>

=== Trainers ===
<pre>
{| class="expandable" align="right" style="background: #{{gamename color light}};
{{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{gamename color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Trainers
|-
|
Put Trainer information table here,
which can be pulled straight from the location pages.
|}
</pre>

{| class="expandable" align="right" style="background: #{{blue color light}}; {{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{red color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Trainers
|-
|
{{Trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|GenIBugcatcher.png|Bug Catcher||60|2|013|Weedle||6||010|Caterpie||6|||}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GenIBugcatcher.png|Bug Catcher||70|3|013|Weedle||7||014|Kakuna||7||013|Weedle||7|||}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|GenIBugcatcher.png|Bug Catcher||90|1|013|Weedle||9|||}}
{{Trainerfooter|land|I}}
|}

:The Trainer battle information should be included wherever a Trainer battle can take place, and should be placed on the left side of the page.

=== Pokémon ===
:Every location where the player can obtain a Pokémon, wild or gift, should include the following details for each:
::* name
::* encounter rate
::* level(s)
::* area details, such as Grass, Cave, Fishing, Surfing, etc.
:This information, taken from the specific location's page, should be placed on the collapsible background, colored according to the version(s).

==== When time of day is not used ====
:Locations in [[Kanto]] and [[Hoenn]], and other areas where time of day does not affect encounter rates, should use this template:

 
<pre>{| class="expandable" align="center" style="background: #{{gamename color light}};
{{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{gamename color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Available Pokémon
|-
|
Put the Pokémon information table here,
which can be pulled straight from the location pages.
|}</pre>

{| class="expandable" align="center" style="background: #{{sapphire color light}}; {{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{ruby color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Available Pokémon
|-
|
{{catch/header|cave|no}}
{{catch/entry3|322|Numel|yes|yes|yes|Grass|22|55%|type1=Fire|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry3|066|Machop|yes|yes|yes|Grass|20|25%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry3|325|Spoink|yes|yes|yes|Grass|20|20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|cave}}
|}

==== When time of day is used ====
:Locations in [[Johto]] and [[Sinnoh]], and other areas where time of day does affect encounter rates, should use the following template instead:

 
<pre>
{| class="expandable" align="center" style="background: #{{(Game Name) color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{(Game Name) color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Available Pokémon
|-
|
Put the Pokémon information table here,
which can be pulled straight from the location pages.
|}
</pre>

{| class="expandable" align="center" style="background: #{{Pearl color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{Diamond color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Available Pokémon
|-
|
{{catch/header|land}}
{{catch/entry4|265|Wurmple|yes|yes|no|Grass|10-11|30%|||type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry4|406|Budew|yes|yes|no|Grass|10-12|29%|||type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry4|265|Wurmple|yes|yes|no|Grass|10-11||30%||type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry4|406|Budew|yes|yes|no|Grass|10-12||29%||type1=Grass|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry4|198|Murkrow|yes|no|no|Grass|10-11|||20%|type1=Dark|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry4|200|Misdreavus|no|yes|no|Grass|10-11|||20%|type1=Ghost}}
{{catch/entry4|266|Silcoon|yes|no|no|Grass|10|20%|20%|20%|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry4|268|Cascoon|no|yes|no|Grass|10|20%|20%|20%|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry4|427|Buneary|yes|yes|no|Grass|10-12|19%|19%|19%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry4|267|Beautifly|yes|no|no|Grass|10-12|2%|2%|2%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry4|269|Dustox|no|yes|no|Grass|10-12|2%|2%|2%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/footer}}
|}

:Each group of Pokémon should be listed with the highest encounter rate first, and decreasing from there. If more than one Pokémon species have the same percent, they should then be listed in National Dex order. 

=== Bosses ===
==== Gym battles ====
:Each section that focuses on a city's Gym should use the following, which includes the Gym name, badge image, junior Trainer(s), and Gym Leader.

<pre>
{| align="center"
|- align="center" valign="top"
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{typename color}};
{{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{typename color light}};"
|- align="center"
! cityname Gym [[Image:badgename Badge.png|35px|The bagename Badge]] 
|-
|
{| align="center" class="expandable" style="background: #{{typename color}};
{{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{typename color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Trainers
|-
|
Put the Trainer information table here,
which can be pulled straight from the location pages
|}

Put the Gym Leader information table here,
which can be pulled straight from the location pages
|}
|}
</pre>

{| align="center"
|- align="center" valign="top"
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{rock color}}; {{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{rock color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Pewter Gym [[Image:Boulder Badge.png|35px|The Boulder Badge]] 
|-
|
{| align="center" class="expandable" style="background: #{{rock color}}; {{roundytop|10px}} {{roundybottom|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{rock color light}};"
|- align="center"
! Trainers
|-
|
{{Trainerheader|Rock}}
{{Trainerentry|GenIJrTrainerMale.png|Camper{{!}}Jr. Trainer||220|2|050|Diglett|♂|11|None|027|Sandshrew|♂|11|None}}
{{Trainerfooter|Rock||Inside}}
|}

{{Party|
color={{rock color}}|
bordercolor={{rock color dark}}|
headcolor={{rock color light}}|
sprite=Brockblue.png|
prize={{pdollar}}1386|
class=Leader|
name=Brock|
game=RGB|
location=Pewter Gym|
pokemon=2|
pokemon1={{Pokémon|
gen=1|
ndex=074|
game=Red|
pokemon=Geodude|
level=12|
type1=Rock|
type2=Ground|
move1=Tackle|
move1type=Normal|
move2=Defense Curl|
move2type=Normal}}|
pokemon2={{Pokémon|
gen=1|
ndex=095|
pokemon=Onix|
game=Red|
level=14|
type1=Rock|
type2=Ground|
move1=Tackle|
move1type=Normal|
move2=Screech|
move2type=Normal|
move3=Bide|
move3type=Normal|
move4=Bind|
move4type=Normal}}
}}
|}
|}

==== The rival ====
:The rival's party should be lined up horizontally across the page, in order to avoid the extra unused space and stretching the page out.

<pre>
{| align="center"
! {{MS|#|Pokémon1 (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Pokémon1}}:
! {{MS|#|Pokémon2 (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Pokémon2}}:
! {{MS|#|Pokémon3 (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Pokémon3}}:
|-
|Put the rival information table here, which can be pulled straight
from location pages

|Put the rival information table here, which can be pulled straight
from location pages

|Put the rival information table here, which can be pulled straight
from location pages

|}
</pre>
 
{| align="center"
! {{MS|152|Chikorita (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chikorita}}:
! {{MS|155|Cyndaquil (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Cyndaquil}}:
! {{MS|158|Totodile (Pokémon)}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Totodile}}:
|-
|{{Party|color={{SoulSilver color}}|headcolor={{SoulSilver color light}}|bordercolor={{SoulSilver color dark}}
|sprite=SilverHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Passerby
|name=Boy
|game=HGSS
|location=Cherrygrove City
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon|gen=4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=155|pokemon=Cyndaquil
|gender=male|level=5|type1=Fire|ability=Blaze
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}}}

|{{Party|color={{SoulSilver color}}|headcolor={{SoulSilver color light}}|bordercolor={{SoulSilver color dark}}
|sprite=SilverHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Passerby
|name=Boy
|game=HGSS
|location=Cherrygrove City
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon|gen=4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=158|pokemon=Totodile
|gender=male|level=5|type1=Water|ability=Torrent
|move1=Scratch|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}}}

|{{Party|color={{SoulSilver color}}|headcolor={{SoulSilver color light}}|bordercolor={{SoulSilver color dark}}
|sprite=SilverHGSS.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Passerby
|name=Boy
|game=HGSS
|location=Cherrygrove City
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon|gen=4|game=HeartGold and SoulSilver|ndex=152|pokemon=Chikorita
|gender=male|level=5|type1=Grass|ability=Overgrow
|move1=Tackle|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Status}}}}
|}

=== Bottom ===
:Each page should have a link to both the previous and next sections.

:* First page:
<pre>
{{WalkthroughPrevNext |
game=? |
game2=? |
gamename=?|
prev=no |
next=yes |
prevsection=no |
nextsection=? |
prevname=no |
nextname=?
}}
</pre>

{{WalkthroughPrevNext |
game=Gold |
game2=Silver |
gamename=Gold and Silver |
prev=no |
next=yes |
prevsection=no |
nextsection=2 |
prevname=no |
nextname=Cherrygrove City, Mr. Pokémon's house, Elm's lab
}}

:* Last page:

<pre>
{{WalkthroughPrevNext |
game=? |
game2=? |
gamename=?|
prev=yes |
next=no |
prevsection=? |
nextsection=no|
prevname=?? |
nextname=no
}}
</pre>

{{WalkthroughPrevNext |
game=Gold |
game2=Silver |
gamename=Gold and Silver |
prev=yes |
next=no |
prevsection=27 |
nextsection=no |
prevname=Route 22, Route 28 |
nextname=no
}}

:* Everything in-between:

<pre>
{{WalkthroughPrevNext |
game=? |
game2=? |
gamename=?|
prev=yes |
next=yes |
prevsection=? |
nextsection=? |
prevname=? |
nextname=?
}}
</pre>

{{WalkthroughPrevNext |
game=Gold |
game2=Silver |
gamename=Gold and Silver |
prev=yes |
next=yes |
prevsection=14 |
nextsection=16 |
prevname=Route 27, Route 26, Victory Road |
nextname=Back in New Bark Town, S.S. Aqua, Vermilion City |
}}

== Structure of a page (Other games) ==
:Most mechanics from the "Version" games do not carry over to other games, so walkthroughs on these games cannot be expected to follow the previous layout. These games should describe their own respective venues in as encyclopedic a manner as possible. This includes all opponents, missions, locations, etc.

=== Pokémon Stadium games ===
:* Gym Leader Castle
:* Stadium Mode (Pika Cup, Petit Cup, Poké Cup, Prime Cup)
:* Kid's Club (description of the mini games)

=== Pokémon Colosseum & Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness ===
:* Story Mode
:* Colosseum venues
::* Phenac Colosseum (Pokémon Colosseum only)
::* Pyrite Colosseum
::* Under Colosseum (Pokémon Colosseum only)
::* Orre Colosseum
::* Tower Colosseum

=== Pokémon Battle Revolution ===
:This guide should detail all opposing Trainers in each Colosseum.
:* Gateway Colosseum
:* Main Street Colosseum
:* Waterfall Colosseum
:* Neon Colosseum
:* Crystal Colosseum
:* Sunny Park Colosseum
:* Magma Colosseum
:* Sunset Colosseum
:* Courtyard Colosseum
:* Stargazer Colosseum

=== Pokémon Snap ===
:This guide should include the Pokémon found in each course, as well as the six Pokémon signs.
:* Beach
:* Tunnel
:* Volcano
:* River
:* Cave
:* Valley
:* Rainbow Cloud

=== Pokémon TCG ===
:This guide should detail the eight Pokémon Clubs and their Club Masters, the four Grand Masters, and the Champion.
:* Grass (Nikki)
:* Poison (Rick)
:* Fire (Ken)
:* Water (Amy)
:* Lightning (Isaac)
:* Psychic (Murray)
:* Rock (Gene)
:* Fighting (Mitch)
 
:* Courtney (Fire)
:* Steve (Electric)
:* Jack (Ice)
:* Rod (Dragon)
:* Ronald (all types)



=== Pokémon Puzzle League ===
:This guide should focus on Puzzle University, where the player must swap the blocks in a certain number of moves.

=== Pokémon Puzzle Challenge ===
:This guide should focus on Single-Player Mode's "Challenge" feature, where the player advances the story by defeating the Johto Gym Leaders.

=== Pokémon Trozei! ===
:This guide should present the game's Adventure Mode, where Lucy Fleetfoot attempts to take down the Phobos Battalion.

=== PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure ===
:This guide should describe the attractions, as well as the various Zones.
:* Bulbasaur's Daring Dash
:* Venusaur's Vine Swing
:* Gyarados' Aqua Dash
:* Blaziken's Boulder Bash
:* Pelipper's Circle Circuit
:* Absol's Hurdle Bounce
:* Salamence's Air Ace
:* Rayquaza's Balloon Panic
:* Empoleon's Snow Slide
:* Bastiodon's Block Barrage
:* Rhyperior's Bumper Burn
:* Tangrowth's Swing-Along
:* Dusknoir's Speed Slam
:* Rotom's Spooky Shoot-'em-Up
 
:*Beach Zone
:*Cavern Zone
:*Lava Zone
:*Flower Zone
:*Granite Zone
:*Meadow Zone
:*Meeting Place
:*Sky Pavilion

=== Mystery Dungeon: Red & Blue, Time & Darkness, Sky ===
:This guide should follow the story, dividing each section according to the games' chapters.

===Pokémon Ranger series===
:Each section should focus on a single mission from the story.

== Other ==
=== Templates ===
:* {{template|Project Walkthroughs notice}}
{{Project Walkthroughs notice}}

:* {{template|User Project Walkthroughs}}
{{User Project Walkthroughs}}

:* {{template|walkthrough}}
:{{walkthrough}}
:<code><nowiki>{{walkthrough|Emerald}}</nowiki></code>
:{{walkthrough|Emerald}}

=== Parent project ===
The parent of this project is [[Bulbapedia:Project Games|Project Games]].

=== Subprojects ===
No subprojects have been defined.



=== Related projects ===
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[[ja:ポケモンWiki:Wikiプロジェクト　ゲーム攻略]]

Bulbapedia:Project Locations

2012-01-06T16:11:22Z

Taposa: /* Participants */

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|[[Image:FL_Pokemon_Tower.png‎|90px]]
|[[Image:FL Viridian Forest.png|90px]]
|[[Image:FL Power Plant.png|90px]]
|[[Image:FL Safari Zone.png|90px]]
|-
| width="80" | [[Bulbapedia:Project Locations|Project page]]
| width="80" | [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Locations|Project talk]]
| width="80"|[[Bulbapedia:Project Locations/To-do list|To-do list]]
| width="80" | [[List of locations by name|List of Locations]]
|}
 
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{| cellpadding="10" cellspacing="8" style="width: 100%; background-color:#FFFFFF; border: 2px solid #FFFFFF; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 15px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 15px; vertical-align: top;"
|{{Project leader|{{u|Clarky13}}}}
Some Bulbapedia members have formed a [[Bulbapedia:Project|project]] to better organize efforts to write and improve articles about '''locations in the Pokémon world'''. If you would like to help, please inquire on the [[{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]] or the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 Bulbapedia forum] and see the [[{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}/To-do list]].

==Scope==
Project Locations covers all articles about locations in the Pokémon world. The ultimate goal is to create, expand and standardize articles for every location in the Pokémon world, ranging from popular locations ([[The Underground]]) to the obscure ([[Seabreak Path]]). All locations in the Pokémon world fall under the scope of this project, except for numbered routes and major named routes, which are under the scope of {{bp|Project Routes}}, a subproject of Project Locations, as well as cities and towns, which are covered by {{bp|Project Cities and Towns}}, another subproject.

===To-do list===
{{main|Bulbapedia:Project Locations/To-do list}}

*Expand all articles to the project standard.
**[[Kanto]]
**[[Sevii Islands]]
**[[Johto]] (New versions too)
**[[Hoenn]]
**[[Sinnoh]]
**[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]] and [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|Explorers of Sky]]

**[[Unova]]*Add pictures to all location articles.
*Add map views to all articles.

===How you can help===
You can help by opening the [[List of locations by name]] and selecting any location that is a stub (or not a stub) and expand it using your general knowledge or from other facts and figures. Most of the existing location articles need to be modified to comply with the project standard (see below). You can check [[:Category:Location stubs]] to see which articles need expanding.

Some articles need pictures. Help them by adding a picture of the location from the Bulbagarden Archives or uploading a new one. If you see an article without a location map in its infobox template, add one immediately. Also, some articles do not have an infobox template, if you come across one, add it immediately.

==Participants==
===Participants===
To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list:

*'''{{u|Clarky13}}''' - {{bp|Project Leaders|Project Leader}}
*[[User:TwinsMetsFan|TwinsMetsFan]]: Founder of project.
*[[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]]: GIMPing maps and such.
*[[User:Chosen|Chosen]]
*[[User:Mewtwo Ex|Mewtwo Ex]]
*[[User:Pokemonpearlwanter|Pokemonpearlwanter]]
*{{u|Admachina}}
*{{u|PC_GEEK}}
*[[User:Manaphy9|Manaphy9]]
*{{u|Theryguy512}}
*{{u|Pikawitchu}}
*{{u|Flame alex}}
*[[User:Sthwarrior50|Sthwarrior50]]
*[[User:Heyyopat|Heyyopat]]
*[[User:Cadellin|Cadellin]]
*{{u|TorchicBlaziken}}
*[[User:S1tHSL4y3r|S1tHSL4y3r]]
*{{u|Naruto Uzumaki}}
*{{u|Galm}}
*{{u|DAWN FAN}}
*{{u|Kevzo8}}
*{{u|PH1RESTRIKE}}
*{{u|No1Aaronfan!!!}}
*{{u|Trevor1027}}
*{{u|tandra88}}
*{{u|Joe9320}}
*{{u|Alpha Totodile}}
*{{u|Kumori Satosuke}}
*{{u|swampert_rox}}
*{{u|Crystal Shards}} - I will do what I can to help!
*{{u|Nuck Chorris}}
*{{u|Malarke}}
*{{u|Palamon}} - Yes, I want to be part of it too.
*{{u|gamehat}} - i want to help also
*{{u|JetstreamLv.100}}
*{{u| Stinkola}}
*{{u|Lam alwin}} - I'll try to help.
*{{u|leist.33}}
*{{u|Sapphiireox2}}
*{{u|Batking30}}
*{{u|Pokemon59}}
*{{u|Spotman234}} - I am curently working on locations in [[Platinum]],[[Explorers of Sky]], and [[Pokémon HeartGold]]/[[Pokémon Soul Silver]]. I will work along side with {{u|Smartkidhen}}.
*{{u|Tyler53841}} - Working on this with the walkthrough projects, will use talk page for important situations.
*{{u|Tina}}
*{{u|Smartkidhen}} - Finally, PMD locations fall under this project!!
*{{u|Sparen}} - I know more about the locations than anything else!
*{{u|Mudkipluvr4ever}}
*{{u|Deityofantimatter}}
*{{u|DialgaMaster105}}
*{{u|Jello}}
*{{u|Rathefalcon}} - Pudgy Pidgey Isle!!
*{{u|Riolushinx}}
*{{u|duardognn}}
*{{u|Webemperor}} - I'm Proffesional at Locations!
*{{u|SaitoFX}}
* hyper10111412395
*{{u|James1234}}
*{{u|Trevin}} - i volenteer to be the isshu specialist
*hoennboy99 -i herd u liek mudkipz!! i do!
*{{u|Mismagius13}}
*{{u|DarkraiFan123}}
*{{u|Matt of Mossdeep}}
*{{u|Tempest370}}
*{{u|Pokemon373}} I'll try to help.
*{{u|Holonboy}} I love helping out!
*{{u|Silverod}}- :D I can help with cities and routes!
*{{u|Chiefboz}} Count me in!
*[[User:Pokemaniac2000|Pokemaniac2000]]-I'll help with Pokémon Black and White cities and routes.
*{{u|Chocos0}} - I'll try my best. =P
*{{u|Shining Latios}}
*{{u|LoganZezima}} -If I see something that needs adding, I'll get right on it.
*{{u|RegiRuler}}
*{{u|Zekasaur}} - I've already made a couple of pages and I have many location pictures to upload to the archives.
*{{u|Plato Platinum}} - I'll help with the routes and cities.
*{{u|S2daam}} - I've already done most of the maps and screenshots of the Unova locations, may aswell add myself here.
*{{u|Han Ji-Wan}} - Currently updating population for the cities. Doing population count for Unova's cities. Will add in more info if needed.
*{{u|Gordonst4}} - I wanna help!
*{{u|Pokemaster97}}- I'll continue adding missing location tags to locations and will work on expanding various stubs for the main games.
*{{u|Trickyb}} - My goal is to make Bulbapedia the best it can be!
*{{u|Geistblitz}}
*{{u|ZeroManArmy}}
*{{u|SquirtleZillah}}
*{{u|BrokenMotor}}
*{{u|Barbakki}} - Pokemon Mystery Dungeon's my thang!
*{{u|Keekk1}} - I like to look around for spelling errors.
*{{u|Zelkova}} - I will be working on Orre-specific material for the time being.
*{{u|ACLanguage}}
*{{u|EnosShayrem}} - I can help on wild encounter levels/rates, especially mystery dungeon a Gen IV/V games. Also, I can fix little things like grammar and stuff as I see them.
*{{u|Loybok}}
*{{u|Arceuscl405}} I'll try my best! I've got Mystery Dungeon 2 (all three) FireRed, Emerald, Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold, White, trozei, dash, and lots other too. I've got a ton of guide books also. Good luck!
*ReaNintendo I'll try to give good decscriptions
*{{u|YoshisWorld}} I'll see what I can do to help, since I know a lot of locations.
*{{u|Sarahhkkim}} I'll help with Unova.
*{{u|Alipikachu}}
*{{u|ryudragoon}} i'll help. i am good with cleaning pictures so let me know when you need me!
*{{u|TheSeviper}}
*{{u|HungryMunchlax}} If it's a PMD dungeon that needs items (except the exact number of Sticks, Geo pebbles, Sticks etc.) then I am here!
*{{u|Jayheart98}} I'll help as much as I can, but I have only Diamond and just started Black. =^..^=
*{{u|ZMT123}} I'm a veteran at Pokemon and an expert with the main series regions.
*{{u|Taposa}} I will try to help!

===Ultimate Goal of the Month===
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Articles about Hoenn routes, cities, and locations are looking down in the dumps. Why don't we quality them up before the storm of Generation V comes. Every little bit of information counts, so when you've got some time, expand some articles and make them a little better than stub status.
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===Stub of the Month===
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<big>'''Snowpoint Temple'''</big>

'''Snowpoint Temple''' (Japanese: '''キッサキしんでん''' ''Kissaki Temple'') is a location in [[Snowpoint City]]. It is the home of the [[legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Regigigas}}, which can only be awakened for {{pkmn|battle}} if the {{player}} brings along all three of [[Hoenn]]'s [[legendary golems]]. The player cannot enter the Temple without defeating [[Cynthia]] as well as obtaining the [[National Pokédex]], and even then, Regigigas will not awaken without the Hoenn trio present. The temple is very extensive, and has many puzzles involving sliding on ice.

'''[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Snowpoint_Temple&action=edit Expand this article]'''
|}

==Article status==
===Featured articles===
[[File:Itemball gen3.jpg]] [[The Underground]] 
[[File:Itemball gen3.jpg]] [[Ilex Forest Shrine]]

===Best Practice Article===
[[Image:Itemball gen3.jpg]] [[Cerulean Cave]] 
[[Image:Itemball gen3.jpg]] [[Mt. Moon]] 
[[Image:Itemball gen3.jpg]] [[Viridian Forest]] 
[[Image:Itemball gen3.jpg]] [[Turnback Cave]]

==Structure==
===Infobox information===
Articles should use {{template|Infobox location}}, and all known information should be supplied. A example Infobox is shown below.

===Main section===
Untitled section that describes the location. Depending on the location, this section may just describe where it is located in the Pokémon world and basic details regarding the area, or may go into considerable detail. Regardless, all text describing the location should be in this section.

===Geography===
A geographical description of the location, including similarities to places in reality. This is to include all parts of the location.

===Items===
A list of items found in this location as well as a description of where the items are. These are to be placed in dot points with a short description on how to find it.

===Pokémon===
A list of Pokémon that appear in this location as well as encounter rates and times of encounter if possible. Lists should be separated by Generation using third-level headlines. If the route appeared in only one Generation, then the Generation heading is not necessary. See {{rt|1|Kanto}} and {{rt|132|Hoenn}} for examples of tables.

Lists should be organized in order of location, then highest to lowest encounter rate. If the encounter rate for a Pokémon is lower in a different game, a repeat of the entry should be made directly underneath except with that particular game highlighted (instead of in the initial entry), and the different encounter rate stated. In the case of multiple Pokémon with the same encounter rate, Pokémon should be listed in order of games they are available in, then their [[Natdex|National Pokédex]] number.

===Trainers===
A list of trainers, using the appropriate template. They should be separated by Generation using third-level headlines. If the route appeared in only one Generation, then the Generation heading is not necessary.

===Differences among Generations===
If the location was featured in multiple versions and Generations of Pokémon, the differences between those should be discussed here. A gallery of different generations can be placed here to show the differences.

===See also===
Place all internal links here, that have reference or significance to the article.

===References===
Place all references here.

===External links===
Place all external links which are not references here.

===Categories===
All articles should use the following category:
*<nowiki>[[Category:(Region) locations]]</nowiki> where (Region) is either Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Orre, Sevii, Sinnoh, or Unova

All articles should use the following categories where applicable:
*<nowiki>[[Category:Red, Blue and Yellow locations]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>[[Category:Ruby and Sapphire locations]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>[[Category:Emerald locations]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>[[Category:FireRed and LeafGreen locations]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>[[Category:Diamond and Pearl locations]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>[[Category:Black and White locations]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>[[Category:Colosseum and XD locations]]</nowiki>

==Templates==
===Infobox===
The Infobox to use for this project is {{template|Infobox location}}.

This is the basic syntax you need to get a complete routebox on the article page, just place this before any other text and fill in the variables.
<pre>
{{Infobox location
|image=
|type=
|location_name=
|japanese_name=
|translated_name=
|location=
|region=
|generation=
}}
</pre>
{{Infobox location
|image=FL Safari Zone.png
|type=land
|location_name=Safari Zone
|japanese_name=サファリゾーン
|translated_name=Safari Zone
|location=North of [[Fuchsia City]]
|region=Kanto
|generation={{gen|I}}, {{gen|III}}
}}
For the above parameters, here's what you should fill in:
* '''image:''' name of an image for the location on Bulbagarden Archives
* '''type:''' is the type of place the location is located on, or what it is - land, road, water, or cave. This determines how the infobox is colored. (If omitted, color is white.)
* '''location_name:''' name of the location
* '''japanese_name:''' Japanese name of the location
* '''translated_name:''' Romanization of the location's Japanese name
* '''other_info:''' ''(optional)'' use for alternate names, an additional descriptor, etc.
* '''location:''' a brief description of where the article location is found
* '''region:''' the region that the location is in
* '''generation:''' a list of all generations of games this location has appeared in. <nowiki>Handy template shortcuts include {{subst:Gen|I}} for Generation I, {{subst:Gen|II}} for Generation II, and {{subst:Gen|III}} for Generation III.</nowiki>

By completing the infobox as follows, you'll get a routebox like the one to the right.
<pre>
{{Infobox location
|image=FL Safari Zone.png
|type=land
|location_name=Safari Zone
|japanese_name=サファリゾーン
|translated_name=Safari Zone
|location=North of [[Fuchsia City]]
|region=Kanto
|generation={{Gen|I}}, {{Gen|III}}
}}
</pre>

 

===Other templates===
<noinclude>{|border="1" cellspacing="0"
|-
! What to type !! What it makes !! Notes
|-
| {{template|Project Locations notice}}
| {{Project Locations notice}}
| To be placed on the '''bottom''' of all articles covered by this project below the article to designate the article as part of this project.
|-
| {{template|User Project Locations}}
| {{User Project Locations}}
| Userbox for participants of this project.
|-
| <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:stub|stub{{!}}Location]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
| {{stub|Location}}
| Designates this article relating to Pokémon world locations as a stub.
|}
</noinclude>

==Other projects==
===Subprojects===
The descendants of this project are:
* {{bp|Project Cities and Towns}}
* {{bp|Project Routes}}

[[Category:Bulbapedia projects|Locations]]
|}

Bulbapedia:Project Routes

2012-01-06T16:09:08Z

Taposa: /* Participants */

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{| align="center" style="background: #{{bulba color}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{bulba color}};" | <big><big><big><big>Project</big></big></big></big>
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! style="background: #{{bulba color}};" | [[File:Project Routes logo.png|100px]]
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! style="background: #{{bulba color}};" | <big><big><big><big>Routes</big></big></big></big>
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{{project leader|{{u|Clarky13}}}}
Some Bulbapedia members have formed a [[Bulbapedia:Project|project]] to better organize efforts to write and improve articles about '''Routes in the Pokémon World'''. If you would like to help, please inquire on the [[{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]] or, if you would like to join this project, you can sign up below.

==Scope==
Project Routes covers all articles about Routes in the Pokémon World. The ultimate goal is to create, expand and standardize articles for every route, numbered and named, such as [[Jagged Pass|Hoenn's Jagged Pass]] or [[Diglett's Cave|Kanto's Diglett's Cave]], that has been featured in the Pokémon games and anime. Currently, this project covers every route in the regions of [[Kanto]], [[Johto]], [[Hoenn]], [[Sinnoh]], and the [[Sevii Islands]].

===To-do list===
{{main|Bulbapedia:Project Routes/To-do list}}
*Expand all articles to the project standard.
**[[Kanto]]
**[[Sevii Islands]]
**[[Johto]]
**[[Hoenn]]
**[[Sinnoh]]
**[[Unova]]
*Create and add map template to all articles.
*Add pictures to all route articles.
*Complete the Trainer templates in every Route.

===How you can help===
You can help by opening the [[List of routes in the Pokémon world]] and selecting any route that is a stub (or not a stub) and expand it using your general knowledge or from other facts and figures. Most of the existing route articles need to be modified to comply with the project standard (see below). You can check [[:Category:Route stubs]] to see which articles need expanding.

Most of the existing route articles need to be modified to comply with the project standard (see below). You can open [[:Category:Route articles needing work]] and review what has been noted to need work there. Also, you can check [[:Category:Route stubs]] to see which articles need expanding.

Routes in [[:Category:Routes needing screenshots]] have been converted to the new standard but are missing screenshots for the infobox. You can open this category, see which routes are listed and, if possible, upload a screenshot of that route to Bulbagarden Archives. Once the image has been uploaded, the [[Template:Routeimage]] tag can be removed.

===Quality articles===
As a {{u|electAbuzzzz|wise man}} once said, "We’ve been planting many young shrubs, but in the process, we keep forgetting to water our old oaks." This can be found in electAbuzzzz's [[User:electAbuzzzz/Quality|editorial essay on article quality]], which has more to do with anime Pokémon, however, it is very applicable in this case. Many route articles that have been made, contain small amounts, if not no information, and are subject to broken templates etc.

In order to create a quality article for route pages, please follow the guide, ''[[Bulbapedia:Project Routes/How to create a quality route article|How to create a quality route article]]''.

==Participants==
===Participants===
To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list:

*'''{{u|Clarky13}}''' - Project Leader
*{{u|TwinsMetsFan}} - founder.
*{{u|TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran}}
*{{u|Admachina}}
*{{u|Chosen}}
*{{u|Pokemonlover56}}
*{{u|Pterodactal}}
*{{u|Blueglasshead}}
*{{u|Manaphy9}}
*{{u|FrozenPandaMan}}
*{{u|Poke-Matt}}
*{{u|Flame alex}}
*{{u|HoennMaster}}
*{{u|Pikachu610}}
*{{u|Berrymaster}}
*{{u|LugiaFan}}
*{{u|H4r8z0r}}
*{{u|Chocolate}}
*{{u|Leaf Storm}}
*{{u|UltimateSephiroth}}
*{{u|** LV X **}}
*{{u|S1tHSL4y3r}}
*{{u|Naruto Uzumaki}}
*{{u|Galm}}
*{{u|DAWN FAN}}
*{{u|ShinjiLover}}
*{{u|Cyndermew}}
*{{u|Pokemonguy1}}
*{{u|Sting the Trainer}}
*{{u|tandra88}}
*{{u|Kumori Satosuke}}
*{{u|Palamon}}
*{{u|Smurf}}
*{{u|Pokelova}}
*{{u|Force Fire}}
*{{u|JetstreamLv.100}}
*{{u|Tyler53841}}
*{{u|Tina}}
*{{u|Jello}}
*{{u|Emeraldfire}}
*{{u|Taromon777}}
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*{{u|Shaymin320}}
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*{{u|duardognn}}
*{{u|Palkiamaster}}
*{{u|Skymin23}}
*{{u|SaitoFX}}
*{{u|hoennboy99}}
*{{u|Marillrocks}}
*{{u|CuboneKing}}
*{{u|DragonZekrom}}
*{{u|KurosakisTwin}}
*{{u|Tempest370}}
*{{u|Hurricane}}
*{{u|Pokemon26}}
*{{u|Shining Latios}}
*{{u|Bjohnson2015}}
*{{u|Plato Platinum}}
*{{u|Carkzan}}
*{{u|Keekk1}}
*{{u|Sarahhkkim}}
*{{u|Fire Master}}
*{{u|Taposa}}

===Featured articles===
[[Image:Itemball gen3.jpg]] None... until now
===Best Practice Article===
[[Image:Itemball gen3.jpg]] [[Kanto Route 1]] 
[[Image:Itemball gen3.jpg]] [[Kanto Route 2]] 
[[Image:Itemball gen3.jpg]] [[Johto Route 38]] 
[[Image:Itemball gen3.jpg]] [[Hoenn Route 111]]

==Templates==
===Infobox===
{{Route infobox
|number=2
|size=100
|image=HGSS Route 2.png
|imageI=Route 2 RBY.png
|imageII=Route 2-Gen 2.png
|imageIII=Route 2.png
|type=forest
|north=Pewter City
|south=Viridian City
|east=Diglett's Cave
|region=Kanto
|cut=yes
|mapdesc=A path that winds and bends from the forest's entrance.
}}
[[Template:Route infobox]]. An example is to the right. This is the basic syntax you need to get a complete routebox on the article page, just place this before any other text and fill in the variables.
<pre>
{{Route infobox
|number=
|name=
|jpname=
|jptrans=
|jptranslit=
|image=
|size=
|imageI=
|imageII=
|imageIII=
|imageIV=
|type=
|mapdesc=
|north=
|regionnorth=
|west=
|regionwest=
|east=
|regioneast=
|south=
|regionsouth=
|region=
|prev=
|next=
}}
</pre>

For the above parameters, here's what you should fill in:
* '''number''' - Number of the route (e.g. 2 or 12 or 112)
* '''image''' - Filename for the image that will be displayed in the infobox
* '''size''' - Size of the image that will be displayed in the infobox
* '''mapdesc''' - description of the route on the Pokégear or Town Map
* '''imageI''', '''imageII''', '''imageIII''' and '''imageIV''' - Image of the route during Generation I, II, III, and IV
* '''type''' - type of terrain the route is, from one of the choices listed [[Template:Locationcolor|here]]
* '''north''', '''east''', '''west''' and '''south''' - Connecting locations in the given directions - alternate link-text can be given as northalt, eastalt, etc., while secondary connectors in the same direction can be given as north2, east2, etc.
* '''regionnorth''', '''regioneast''', '''regionwest''' and '''regionsouth''' - For connecting locations that are routes, what region the route is in
* '''region''' - Region the subject of the article is in
* '''prev''' - Route before this route - defaults to number - 1
* '''next''' - Route after this route - defaults to number + 1
* '''cut''', '''surf''', '''strength''', '''flash''', '''defog''', '''rocksmash''', '''whirlpool''', '''waterfall''', '''rockclimb''', '''dive''', '''bike''', '''mach''', '''acro''' - tools required for full navigation of the route: input "yes" if if the tool is required in every appearance of the route, or a {{template|tt}}'d asterisk or a game abbreviation using {{template|sup}} if this tool is required in only certain appearances.
{{-}}

===Item list===
An example is bellow. This is the basic syntax you need to get a complete item list on the article page, just place this before any other text and fill in the variables.
<pre>
{{Itlisth|<type of area>}}
{{Itlistbod|<name of item>|<Where it is located>|<initials of game>|display=<name of item> (conditional)}}
{{Itlistfoot|<type of area>}}
</pre>
{{Itlisth|forest}}
{{Itlistbod|Potion|Obtained from Viridian Poké Mart employee|RBY|}}
{{Itlistbod|none|South of the first ledge on west side of route|GSC|display=[[Bitter Berry]]}}
{{Itlistbod|Potion|Obtained from Viridian Poké Mart employee|FRLG}}
{{Itlistbod|Blk Apricorn|South of the first ledge on west side of route|HGSS|display=[[Blk Apricorn]]}}
{{Itlistfoot|forest}}

===Other templates===
<noinclude>{|border="1" cellspacing="0"
|-
! What to type !! What it makes !! Notes
|-
| <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Project Routes notice|Project Routes notice]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
| {{Project Routes notice}}
| To be placed on the '''bottom''' of all articles covered by this project below the article to designate the article as part of this project.
|-
| <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:User Project Routes|User Project Routes]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
| {{User Project Routes}}
| Userbox for participants of this project.
|-
| <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:stub|stub{{!}}Location{{!}}Route]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
| {{stub|Location|Route}}
| Designates this article relating to Pokémon World routes as a stub.
|}
</noinclude>

==Other projects==
===Parent project===
The parent of this project is [[Bulbapedia:Project Locations|Project Locations]].

===Subprojects===
No subprojects have been defined.


===Related projects===
Related projects include:
*[[Bulbapedia:Project Cities and Towns|Project Cities and Towns]]

[[Category:Bulbapedia projects|Routes]]
|}

User talk:Taposa

2012-01-06T16:06:22Z

Taposa: /* User tags */

==Welcome==
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== How by Taposa ==

How do you make a spoiler-like?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 08:33, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

== Chat Show ==

If you want to chat. Chat below

===Chat Time===

== User tags ==

Since you're unsure of the problem with your user tags, I thought I'd help. Most of them are still "Open" and need to be "Closed". In other words, they're missing a |} at the end of them. Once you close the open tags, they should be fine. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 16:02, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
:Earlier,I tried adding} so that means I need to try | alone (with } of course) and no other words?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 16:06, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Taposa

2012-01-06T16:05:23Z

Taposa: /* User tags */

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== User tags ==

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Bulbapedia:Project Cities and Towns

2012-01-06T15:58:56Z

Taposa: /* Participants */

{{project leader|{{u|Clarky13}}}}
Some Bulbapedia members have formed a [[Bulbapedia:Project|project]] to better organize efforts to write and improve articles about '''towns and cities in the Pokémon world'''. If you would like to help, please inquire on the [[{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]] or the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 Bulbapedia forum] and see the [[{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}/To-do list|to-do list]]. You can also sign up below.

==Project Cities and Towns==
===Scope and aims===
Project Cities and Towns covers all articles about towns and cities in the Pokémon world.

The ultimate goal is to create and standardize articles for every city and town that has been featured in the Pokémon games. This project covers every town in the regions of Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and the Sevii Islands. Currently, this does not include anime-exclusive locales.

===Participants===
To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list:

*'''[[User:Clarky13|Clarky13]]''' - Project Leader
*[[User:TwinsMetsFan|TwinsMetsFan]] - founder
*[[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] - The guy who (mostly) GIMPs the newer maps.
*[[User:Mewtwo Ex|Mewtwo Ex]] - I love the cities and towns in the games
*[[User:Pokemonpearlwanter|Pokemonpearlwanter]]
*[[User:Maths|Maths]]-I am a newbie though a good researcher in Pokémon
*{{u|PC_GEEK}}
*{{u|Pterodactal}} - do what i can on Kanto and Sinnoh
*{{u|Manaphy9}} - I'm doing anything and everything.
*{{u|Summer!}} - I am getting the populations of the cities of Sinnoh to add to their pages.
*{{u|Theryguy512}}
*{{u|Sang'gre Habagat}}
*{{u|Marillrocks}} - anything I can do to help with the five main regions!
*{{u|Moisesmorales}} - I would love to help on [[Johto]] and [[Kanto]]
*{{u|Tina}} - Helping out on Hoenn and Sinnoh.
*[[User:Griff|Griff]] - i can try to help with Sinnoh.
*{{u|Flame alex}} - can help out with Kanto and Sinnoh
*[[User:Totodile trainer|Lilio]] - i will try and find some johto places
*[[User:Coolcatkim22]] - Doing any city in Kanto, Jhoto, Hoenn and Sinnoh.
*[[User:Robbo5002]] - Kanto and Sinnoh are my speciality!
*{{u|Shayminlight58}} - doing the johto stuff
*{{u|Dialga 625}} - Sinnoh and Hoenn. Possibly Kanto.
*[[User:Jammi568|Jammi568]]: Kanto and Johto, definatly.
*[[User:H4r8z0r|H4r8z0r]] - Helping out anywhere in the world, including anime-exclusive locations.
*{{u|Ultamatecharizard}}
*[[User:Russell777|Russell777]]: Everything, but I can't create articles because my computer is not compatible with .php files.
*[[user:James1234|James1234]]: im new to bulba pedia but o will do what i can.
*{{u|Galm}}:Anything Hoenn
*{{u|Lueroi}}:Great knowledge of the all cities/towns in the 4 main regions.
*[[User:S1tHSL4y3r|S1tHSL4y3r]]
*{{u|EspeonA}}
*{{u|DAWN FAN}}
*{{u|ShinjiLover}}
*{{u|Pokemonguy1}}
*{{u|Lazerdude07}}
*[[User:Pikapower1|Pikapower1]]: Memorized every area in Sinnoh and Fiore.:D
*{{U|tandra88}}- I'm your girl for all things Almia and Sinnoh!
*{{u|legendarypokemonjunkie17}}- I have adequate knowledge of all cities/towns in all regions, except Fiore.
*[[User:psyclone2|psyclone2]]- LOOOONG time pokemon expert, first time fan contributor. I'll do my best- I have a lot of guides, sites, references, and knowledge to back me up, so I'll do my best!
*[[User:Mario Man|Mario Man]]- Has pretty much gotten all the cities and towns except for johto memorized. including fun facts.
*{{u|PlatinumAdam}}
*[[User:swampert_rox|Swampert]] [[Swampert (Pokémon)|=]] [[User talk:Swampert_rox|awesome]]
*[[User:Ikey_14]]
*{{u|EpicFail}} I'll help with Kanto, Hoenn, Sinnoh and Orre.
*{{u|Michi123}} I can help with the towns and cities from the pokémon ranger games
*{{u|qwerty2355}} I can work on Sinnoh and Hoenn cities and towns.
*{{u|Palamon}} I'll work on the Sevii islands.
*{{u|Samus Fan101}} I will do what I can!!!
*{{u|Pokemon59}} Alima, Sinnoh, Hoenn easily
*{{u|Tina}} Hoenn~
*{{u|Survive Group}} We'll try to help with Kanto & Johto.
*{{u|Jello}} Template upgrades, maps, that kind of stuff.
*[[User:Jigglyshock|Jigglyshock]]
*[[User:Guest1738|Guest1738]] i can help with Johto and some Sinnoh
*[[User:Palkiajosh|•Palkia]][[User talk:Palkiajosh|josh•]]- I'll do whatever I can. ^^; Also, I'll help with adding S1tHSL4y3r's Poké Mart stock lists, starting with Johto.
*{{u|immewnity}} - Whatever you need, I'm here for. Also working on movie locations.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 15:10, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
*{{u|duardognn}}
*{{u|Happy0012}} I'll work on the text part of the project.
*{{u|SaitoFX}} Only game-related information.
* hoennboy99 hoenn hoenn hoenn.....MUDKIPZ!!
*{{u|Mismagius13}} ANYTHING COLORFUL
*{{u|Toback}} I can help with the new Isshu information.
*{{u|Tempest370}}
*{{u|Holonboy}}
*{{u|Dbeckelheimer6}} Experienced here. Have made 116 edits in past month.
*{{u|Hurricane}}
*{{u|6259}}
*{{u|Shining Latios}}
*{{u|Mohacastle}} I'll help you!
*{{u|Darkgoalie}} I can help with any region plus with Mystery Dungeon towns.
*{{u|99pokemon}} I can always correct grammar and spelling!
*{{u|Han Ji-Wan}} I can re-update the population for every cities in the Pokemon world (Main-games only.. MAYBE The Ranger games). And add other needed information.
*{{u|Keekk1}} I can help with most of the Orre Region :D
*{{u|PikachuKetchum}} I coud help with ALL of the Oblivia Region because i have completed Pokemon Ranger Guardian Signs.
*{{u|Juniorchampion}}
*{{u|Coobreedan}} I can help by giving information on the people who can be ''found'' in cities and towns, like people who give you TMs and stuff.
*{{u|BrokenMotor}} As well as knowledgeable on the other main regions I can flesh out Unova with any history I find.
*{{u|Mrmuffinman128}} I'm your man for every main region and Orre.
*{{u|Barbakki}} I'll help with Unova and Sinnoh!
*{{U|tmazzy}} i can only do research
*{{u|Nostalogic10}} I got Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Unova covered
*{{U|Sarahhkkim}} I'm an expert on Unova!
* {{U|ArceusRai}} I'll do what I can with Unova and Hoenn, I have notable expertise on Johto and Sinnoh.
*{{u|ZMT123}} I'm a veteran at Pokemon and an expert with the main series regions.
*{{u|Fire Master}} I'll do whatever I can with Items
*{{u|Taposa}} I will try to do my best and help.

===How you can help===
You can help by opening the [[List of cities and towns by name]] and selecting any location in red (which means that there is no article for it yet) and starting that article, or opening any location that you can provide more information about. Additionally, the list itself needs expanding.

Most of the existing city/town articles need to be modified to comply with the project standard (see below). You can check {{red link|Category:City and town stubs}} to see which articles need expanding.

{{Bulbapedia:Project Cities and Towns/To-do list}}

===Structure===
====Infobox information====
Articles should use the [[Template:TownInfobox|Infobox town template]], and all known info should be supplied. An example is demonstrated [[Bulbapedia:Project Cities and Towns#Infobox|here]].

====Main section====
Untitled section that describes the area. Depending on the area, this section may just describe where it is located in the Pokémon world and basic details regarding the area, or may go into considerable detail. Regardless, most text describing the location should be in this section.

====Places of interest====
Any notable locations in the area should be mentioned and briefly described here. If the location has its own article, a link to that article should be given.

====Shop====
'''Only for areas with a shop'''

A list of items available at shops with prices should be provided, using the [[Template:Shop|shop templates]] (instructions [[Template:Shop/doc|here]]).

====Pokémon====
'''Only for areas with wild Pokémon within its limits'''

A list of attainable Pokémon in the city. See [[Kanto Route 1]] for an example of how the layout should appear. Game corner Pokémon should not be listed here.

====In the anime====
'''Optional'''

Section for noting differences or other items regarding the area in the anime.

====Notes====
'''Optional'''

Place any notes about the area that are worth noting but are not notable enough for inclusion in the main section.

====References====
Place all references here.

====External links====
Place all external links which are not references here.

====Categories====
All articles should use the following category:
*<nowiki>[[Category:(Region) locations]]</nowiki> where (Region) is either [[Kanto]], [[Johto]], [[Hoenn]], [[Sevii Islands|Sevii]], or [[Sinnoh]]

All articles should use the following categories where applicable:
*<nowiki>[[Category:Red, Blue and Yellow locations]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>[[Category:Ruby and Sapphire locations]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>[[Category:Emerald locations]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>[[Category:FireRed and LeafGreen locations]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>[[Category:Diamond and Pearl locations]]</nowiki>
*<nowiki>[[Category:Towns]]</nowiki> ''for towns''
*<nowiki>[[Category:Cities]]</nowiki> ''for cities''

===Goals===
# To organize, standardize, and expand the articles on cities and towns in the Pokémon world.

===List===
The list page for Project Routes is [[List of cities and towns by name]].

===Infobox===
The Infobox to use for this project is {{Template|Town infobox}}.

This is the basic syntax you need to get a complete infobox on the article page, just place this before any other text and fill in the variables.
<pre>
{{Town infobox
|name=
|jpname=
|jptrans=
|image=
|slogan=
|region=
|north=
|south=
|west=
|east=
|gym=
|leader=
|leadersprite=
|leadervs=
|badge=
|gymtype=
|map=
|colordark=
|colormed=
|colorlight=
}}
</pre>
{{Town infobox
|name=Cerulean City
|jpname=ハナダシティ
|jptrans=Hanada City
|image=Cerulean City HGSS.png
|imageI=Cerulean City RBY.png
|imageII=Cerulean City GSC.png
|imageIII=Cerulean City FRLG.png
|slogan=The Floral Lagoon City
|region=Kanto
|north=Route 24
|south=Route 5
|west=Route 4
|east=Route 9
|mapdesc=A beautiful city with flowing water and blooming flowers.
|gym=Cerulean Gym
|gymno=2
|leader=Misty
|leadervs=VSMisty.png
|badge=Cascade
|gymtype=Water
|map=CeruleanKantoTownMap.gif
|colordark=007BA7
|colormed=3F9BBC
|colorlight=7FBCD2
}}

For the above parameters, here's what you should fill in:
*'''name:''' is the name of the town/city/locale
*'''jpname:''' is the city name in Japanese
*'''japanese:''' is the city name in Japanese, transliterated into rōmaji
*'''image:''' is the name of the image file name at Bulbagarden Archives
*'''slogan:''' is the official slogan of the town/city/locale
*'''region:''' is the region that the town/city/locale is in
*'''north:''' is the name of the location connecting the town/city/locale from the north.
*'''south:''' is the name of the location connecting the town/city/locale from the south.
*'''west:''' is the name of the location connecting the town/city/locale from the west.
*'''east:''' is the name of the location connecting the town/city/locale from the east.
*'''leader:''' is the name of the area's Gym Leader
*'''leadersprite:''' is the name of the area's Gym Leader's sprite
*'''leadervs:''' is the name of the area's Gym Leader's VS sprite
*'''badge:''' is the name of the Gym's badge
*'''gymtype:''' is the main type of the Gym
*'''map:''' is the name of the image file name of the overview map at Bulbagarden Archives. If no map is available, leave blank
*'''colormed:''' is the color used for the main area of the infobox. Should reflect the town's name, type, etc.
*'''colordark:''' is the color used for the borders of the infobox. Should be a darker version of colormed.
*'''colorlight:''' is the color used for the subheaders of the infobox. Should be a lighter version of colormed.

By completing the infobox as follows, you'll get a routebox like the one to the right.
<pre>
{{Town infobox
|name=Cerulean City
|jpname=ハナダシティ
|jptrans=Hanada City
|image=Cerulean City HGSS.png
|imageI=Cerulean City RBY.png
|imageII=Cerulean City GSC.png
|imageIII=Cerulean City FRLG.png
|slogan=The Floral Lagoon City
|region=Kanto
|north=Route 24
|south=Route 5
|west=Route 4
|east=Route 9
|mapdesc=A beautiful city with flowing water and blooming flowers.
|gym=Cerulean Gym
|gymno=2
|leader=Misty
|leadervs=VSMisty.png
|badge=Cascade
|gymtype=Water
|map=CeruleanKantoTownMap.gif
|colordark=007BA7
|colormed=3F9BBC
|colorlight=7FBCD2
}}
</pre>

 

===Other templates===
<noinclude>{|border="1" cellspacing="0"
|-
! What to type !! What it makes !! Notes
|-
| <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Project Cities and Towns notice|Project Cities and Towns notice]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
| {{Project Cities and Towns notice}}
| To be placed on the '''bottom''' of all articles covered by this project below the article to designate the article as part of this project.
|-
| <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:User Project Cities and Towns |User Project Cities and Towns]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
| {{User Project Cities and Towns}}
| Userbox for participants of this project.
|-
| <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:stub|stub{{!}}Location{{!}}Town]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
| {{stub|Location|Town}}
| Designates this article relating to cities and towns as a stub.
|}
</noinclude>

==Other projects==
===Parent project===
The parent of this project is [[Bulbapedia:Project Locations|Project Locations]].

==Subprojects==
No subprojects have been defined.

==Related projects==
Related projects include:
*[[Bulbapedia:Project Routes|Project Routes]]

[[Category:Bulbapedia projects|Cities and Towns]]

Bulbapedia:Project Arcade

2012-01-06T15:55:55Z

Taposa: /* Participants */

{{Project leader|{{u|Umeko}}}}
[[Image:Project Battrio logo.png|right|200px]]
Some Bulbapedia members have formed a {{bp|project}} to better organize efforts to write and improve articles about '''[[Pokémon Battrio]]'''. If you would like to help, please inquire on the talk page or the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 Bulbapedia forum] and see the to-do list.

==Project Battrio==
===Scope and aims===
Project Battrio covers all articles about Pokémon Battrio. Its goal is to produce the most comprehensive database available on the Battrio arcade game, from basic information to the most technical aspects possible.

===Participants===
To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list:

* '''{{u|Umeko}}''' - Founder and {{bp|Project Leaders|Project Leader}}
* {{u|immewnity}}
* {{u|Jello}}
* {{u|Pokemewhree}}
* {{u|Genericuser62637}}-The hunt for new info begins.
* {{u|nuva-kal}}
* {{u|Chiefboz}}
* {{u|Supermon}}-I'll add pictures to articles in need of them.
* {{u|Taposa}}

===Structure===



===Goals===
#Improve the main [[Pokémon Battrio]] article to explain gameplay, features, differences between upgrades, etc. Individual gameplay components may eventually need their own articles if the main article becomes too big, but that has yet to be seen.
#Create pages for each individual Battrio puck. [[Dialga (01-001)]] and [[Dusknoir (13-011)]] are good examples.
#Create pages for each individual expansion set.

===Infoboxes===
*{{template|BattrioPuckInfobox}}
*{{template|BattrioAttack}}
*{{template|BattrioPuckData}}
*{{template|BattrioCombo}}
**{{template|BattrioCombo/h}}
**{{template|BattrioCombo/f}}


 

===Other templates===
*{{template|Project Battrio notice}}
{{Project Battrio notice}}
*{{template|User Project Battrio}}
{{User Project Battrio}}

==Other projects==
===Parent project===
The parent of this project is {{bp|Project Games}}.

===Subprojects===
No subprojects have been defined.

===Related projects===
No related projects have been named.

[[Category:Bulbapedia projects|{{PAGENAME}}]]

User:Taposa

2012-01-06T15:54:59Z

Taposa:

Bulbapedia:Project Shipping

2012-01-06T15:44:16Z

Taposa: /* Participants */

{{Project leader|{{u|ArcToraphim}}}}
[[Image:Project Shipping logo.png|right|200px]]
Some Bulbapedia members have formed a [[Bulbapedia:Project|project]] to better organize efforts to write and improve articles about '''Shipping'''. If you would like to help, please inquire on the [[{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]] or the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 Bulbapedia forum] and see the [[Bulbapedia:Project Shipping/To-do list|to-do list]].

==Project Shipping==
===Scope and aims===
Project Shipping covers all articles about Shipping. When developing new pages or adding to old ones, adhere to this: [[Bulbapedia:Shipping]] for guidance on content.

===Participation===
'''PLEASE READ''': "All" is a misnomer; it is impossible to actively construct articles for all the known Ships. Bulbapedia is also an encyclopedia, and encyclopedias are professional tools. All information is relevant if it relates directly to the medium it spawns from, and is FACT. It is fact Ash is oblivious to the many crushes he's gotten; it is not fact he might currently reciprocate on any of them.

Shipping articles do offer bias, as Shipping itself is as bias as it is factual. It's fact Shipping is a major part of the fandom; it's not fact everyone agrees with everything that will be represented as evidence. Therefore, if you are going to participate in cleaning up the articles or creating them, please be aware of what is acceptable within the article. You might insert information another does not believe belongs, even though it fits possible "evidence"; unlike the main space, information here is not judged the same, only because everything on the main space is generally ironclad and there is no room for fanon, weak evidence, or lazy information. In that frame of mind, even bias information is subject to disbelief, and can be deleted if the evidence is not sustainable.

tl;dr - Crap is still crap. You can grasp at straws, but you're better off not, for the sake of an article's integrity. Know your information, and if you have to, explain it coherently (just not over-glossed and embellished).

===Participants===
To join the project, simply add your name to the '''bottom''' of this list:

* '''{{u|ArcToraphim}}''' - {{bp|Project Leaders|Project Leader}}
* {{U|Archaic}}
* {{U|Haruka uzumaki}}
* {{u|Netto-kun}}
* {{u|Ayame}}
* {{U|EVAN AAML}}
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* {{U|Icelilly}}
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* {{U|Simpsonsdude13}}
* {{U|Themagikarpsalesman}}
* {{U|GuyNamedSean}}
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* {{u|BKG201}}
* {{u|DAWN FAN}}
* {{u|LucarioSinnoh}}
* {{u|Firefly292}}
* {{u|ShinjiLover}}
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* {{u|Dragonbane}}
* {{u|050294}}
* {{u|Cherry blossom haiku}}
* {{u|Tandra88}}
* {{u|Tsukaiz}}
* {{u|BAC510}}
* {{u|Kenji-girl}}
* {{u|Psychoticneko}}
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* {{U|Pokegirl444}}
* {{u|Alpha Totodile}}
* {{u|ottomaniac123}}
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* {{U|Galladeon}}
* {{u|Jczala}}
* {{U|TwilightRocket}}
* {{U|Cerulean 15}}
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* {{u|PokeZelda6664}} - What, no comments?
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* {{u|ace_trainer_R}}
* {{u|Taposa}}

===Page Creation===
If you want to create an article that is not listed on the [[Bulbapedia:Project Shipping/To-do list|to-do list]], it would be wise to ''ask'' the current project leader if it's actually okay, with ''a valid argument for it''. There are over 6,000 Ships in the Pokémon fandom alone; not all of them deserve articles on the merit of existence alone.

AUGUST 21, 2009: There will be '''no more''' pages for nevermets without prior consultation with the Project Leader. Any future articles will need to have a founding basis for the article, and will be given a week-long trial on its worth. Meaning, unless it's an article on a somewhat canon interrelation, such as ChikoShipping, AdvanceShipping, or CollideShipping, it will be rightly judged if it's worth notability. So before publishing the page, please construct it to an adequate size. If there is little to be said for the couple past popularity and straw-clutching (IkariShipping), then chances are it's not worth it. However, we will be the judge of that, if it's worth its weight or not.

===Structure===
====Title====
All articles should be known as 'Shipping:{name}Shipping' and a page, '{name}Shipping' should be created with only the template <nowiki>{{Shipping redirect}}</nowiki>. There is no need to put <nowiki>{{Shipping redirect|PAGENAME}}</nowiki> because the template has that covered.

Also, at the start of each article in the Shipping namespace you should add a [[Template:Ship|<nowiki>{{ship}}</nowiki>]] template so as to warn people.

If the article is a stub, use the template mentioned below.

====Other====

:''For further structure templates, including multi-ship articles, see [[Bulbapedia:Project Shipping/Article Structure]]''

===Goals===
# Write comprehensive and upstanding articles on Ships.
##This means they are to be substantial, well written (even if they are short articles), and with substance.
# Ensure that all hints/evidence/facts are in the originating media and not from fanfiction. All fanon information is to be eliminated.
##All given hints/evidence/facts should also be meaningful and not tossed in there because it made the Shipper in you go squee.

===Infoboxes===
* {{Template|Shipping redirect}}

{{Shipping redirect}}
* {{Template|ship}}

{{ship}}
* {{[[Template:Stub|stub{{!}}Shipping]]}}
{{Stub|Shipping}}
 

===Other templates===
* {{Template|Project Shipping notice}}

{{Project Shipping notice}}

* {{Template|User Project Shipping}}

{{User Project Shipping}}
 

==Other projects==
===Parent project===
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===Subprojects===
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Bulbapedia:Project Sidegames

2012-01-06T15:39:59Z

Taposa: /* Participants */

{{Project leader|{{u|Werdnae}} and {{u|Jo The Marten}}|coleaders=yes}}
[[File:Project Sidegames logo.png|right|200px]]
Some Bulbapedia members have formed a project to better organize efforts to write and improve articles about Pokémon side games, spinoffs, and minigames. If you would like to help, please inquire on the talk page.

==Project Sidegames==

===Scope and aims===
Project Sidegames covers all non-main series video games in Pokémon.

===Participants===
To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list.
*'''{{u|Werdnae}}''' - Project co-leader
*'''{{u|Jo_The_Marten}}''' - Project co-leader, PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure; The Pokémon Ranger trilogy; Other games in the Pikachu series (Hey you!, Channel)
*''{{u|Flyingtypefan}}'' - Founder, PMD 2&3 and Ranger games
*{{u|CuboneKing}} - MD games
*{{u|Turtwig A}} - MD games and Smash Bros. series, along with a little bit on Stadium, Hey You, Pikachu!, and Battle Revolution
*{{u|Umeko}}
*{{u|♫Green♫}}
*{{u|LucarioWolf}}
*{{u|Moon flight}}
*{{u|Jazzmoth}}
*{{u|Tandra88}} - MD games, ranger games
*{{u|Ravenmewtwo}} - PMD 1&2, Ranger 1&2, Trozei!, Trading Card Game (for GB)
*{{u|Chalkwriter}}
*{{u|Alex726}} - Mystery Dungeon series and the first Ranger game
*{{u|Super Ampharos}}- Mystery Dungeon 1&2 and Second Ranger
*{{u|Chocos0}} - Mystery Dungeon and Ranger.
*{{u|Ataro}} - Ranger 3
*{{u|SnorlaxMonster}}
*{{u|corgidude}} -Ranger 3
*{{u|Zelfie}} -Pokemon Ranger: Shadows of Almia
*{{u|Shadow Walker}} -Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Blue Rescue Team; Pokemon Ranger (The first one); Super Smash Bros. Brawl; Pokemon Battle Revolution; Pokemon Trozei (Pokemon Link)
*{{u|LoganZezima}} - Staff of Pokemon Ranger 3
*{{u|Genericuser62637}} - Pokémon Snap, Pokémon Rumble, PokéWalker, Pokémon Pikachu and Pokémon Pikachu 2
*{{u|Pokymon99}} -Pokemon Ranger: Guardian Signs
*{{u|MillionGuy2}}-Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Sky,Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Darkness, Pokémon Ranger : Gaurdian Signs, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Pokéwalker
*{{U|Lazer}}
*{{U|Crabhammer9595}}
*{{U|Dude22072}} -American Version of Typing DS (when it comes out or soon after)
*{{U|Pokabu82}} - All Ranger games, PMD Time & Sky, PokéPark Wii, and some others
*{{u|damionic}}-Mystery Dungeon Sky, Pokewalker, SSBB
*{{u|Keekk1}} - Orre region, rangers, mystery dungeon, ssbb, ssbm, and the "Hey you pikachu" series (:
*{{u|Garioshi}} - Mystery Dungeon 2, Oblivia, Almia, Unova, Sinnoh, HGSS, and SSBB
*{{u|Barbakki}} - Mystery Dungeon 1 and 2, along with Almia
*{{u|Cupcake.ranger}} - Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky, Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia, Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs
*{{u|EnosShayrem}} - Mystery Dungeon, Pinball RS, Rumble, and a little bit of Ranger.
*{{u|Donyor}}-Mystery Dungeon 2, Pokemon Ranger GS, Super Smash Bros. Brawl.
*{{u|PokemonforLife}}- Mystery dungeon series and ranger series.
*{{u|DrBrock}}- Just 'cause I wanna' be here. :p
*{{U|flofloflafla}}
*{{u|Mr-ex777}} - I'm more interested in side games than the main series.PMD, Rumble
*{{u|HungryMunchlax}} - Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Series (but the Wiiware version)
*{{U|Dark Rust}} - Super Pokémone Rumble (also know as Pokémon Rumble Blast).
*{{u|Taposa}} - Have many Side games from Gen IV that I still usr like Trozei or PMD (or Dash.)

===Structure===

===Goals===
* To provide sufficient information on all aspects of the side games.
* To expand side game related articles in need of information.
* To gather information on sidegames for use in articles.
{{-}}
{| class="roundy" width="90%" cellpadding="2px" align="center" style="background: #{{bulba color}}; border: 2px solid #{{bulba color dark}}; "
|-
| style="background:none" align="center" colspan="6" | <big><big>Featured wanted pages</big></big>
|- align="center"
| width="33%" style="background: #FFFFFF;" colspan="2" class="roundyleft" | Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: ''[[Stream Forest]]''
| width="34%" style="background: #FFFFFF;" colspan="2" | Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: ''[[Dubious Forest]]''
| width="33%" style="background: #FFFFFF;" colspan="2" class="roundyright" | Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: ''[[Weird Forest]]''
|-
| style="background:none" align="center" colspan="6" | <big><big>Featured stubs</big></big>
|-
| width="100%" colspan="6" style="background: #{{bulba color light}};" align="center" class="roundytop" | <big>PokéPark: ''[[PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond]]''</big>
|-
| width="80%" style="background: #FFFFFF; padding-left: 4px;" class="roundybl" colspan="5" | '''PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond''' is the up and coming sequel to [[PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure]]. It is set to release in Japan Winter 2011.
<div style="text-align:right;">[[PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond|Read more]] {{!}} [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=PokéPark_2:_Wonders_Beyond&action=edit Improve this article]</div>
| style="background: #{{bulba color light}};" class="roundybr" width="200px" align="center"| [[File:PokePark_2_JP_box.png|150px|PokéPark 2 box art.]]
|-
| width="100%" colspan="6" style="background: #{{bulba color light}};" align="center" class="roundytop" | <big>Pokémon Trozei!: ''[[Trozei Beamer]]''</big>
|-
| width="80%" style="background: #FFFFFF; padding: 4px;" class="roundybl" colspan="5" | The '''Trozei Beamer''', known in the European version as '''Link Beamer''', is an item used in [[Pokémon Trozei!]] It was developed by [[Professor P]] at [[Secret Operation League|SOL]] and is used for transporting [[Poké Ball]]s. It is used by [[Lucy Fleetfoot]] to transport the Poké Balls from the [[Phobos Battalion]] secret bases to the [[SOL Base]].
<div style="text-align:right;">[[Trozei Beamer|Read more]] {{!}} [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Trozei_Beamer&action=edit Improve this article]</div>
| style="background: #{{bulba color light}};" class="roundybr" width="200px" align="center"| [[File:Trozei Beamer.png‎|190px]]
|-
| width="100%" colspan="6" style="background: #{{bulba color light}};" align="center" class="roundytop" | <big>Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: ''[[Wonder Mail]]''</big>
|-
| width="80%" style="background: #FFFFFF; padding-left: 4px;" class="roundybl" colspan="5" | '''Wonder Mail''' is a feature in the [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] games. It provides the player with missions to complete in order to receive rewards.
<div style="text-align:right;">[[Wonder Mail|Read more]] {{!}} [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Wonder_Mail&action=edit Improve this article]</div>
| style="background: #{{bulba color light}};" class="roundybr" width="200px" align="center"| [[File:Noimage.gif‎|This article has no image]]
|}

===Infoboxes===
*[[Template:RangerLocationInfobox]]
*[[Template:Mystery Dungeon location]]
*[[Template:Infobox zone]]

===Other templates===
* {{Template|Project Sidegames notice}}

{{Project Sidegames notice}}

* {{Template|User Project Sidegames}}

{{User Project Sidegames}}

==Other projects==

===Parent projects===
*[[Bulbapedia:Project Games|Project Games]]

===Subprojects===

===Related projects===
*[[Bulbapedia:Project Battrio|Project Battrio]]

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Bulbapedia:Project Games

2012-01-06T15:37:39Z

Taposa: /* Participants */

{{Project leader|{{u|Umeko}}}}
[[File:Project Games logo.png|right|200px]]
Some Bulbapedia members have formed a [[Bulbapedia:Project|project]] to better organize efforts to write and improve articles about '''the [[Pokémon games]]'''. If you would like to help, please inquire on the talk page or the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 Bulbapedia forum].

==Project Games==
===Scope===
Project Games covers all articles about the [[Pokémon games]].

===Aims===
* To improve all articles related to the [[Version|main series]] games.
* To add sufficient information about all the [[Spin-off Pokémon games|spin-off games]].
* To take the articles about the main series games to a featured articles level.

===Participants===
To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list:

* '''{{u|Umeko}}''' - Project Leader
* {{u|Sher-e-Bengal}} - Founder and former {{bp|Project Leaders|Project Leader}}
* {{u|LugiaRocks}}
* {{u|Politoed666}} - Writing LOTS of articles on [[Pokémon Trozei!]].
* {{u|ShinjiLover}}
* {{u|Maria-williams}}
* {{u|FLAMER}}
* {{u|Sacrifice}}
* {{u|DAWN FAN}}
* {{u|Clarky13}}
* {{u|LucarioSinnoh}}
* {{u|Ced12}}
* {{u|Kevzo8}}
* {{u|Prongs}}
* {{u|Okoa}}
* {{u|MysteryHeff?}}
* {{u|Tavisource}}
* {{u|Akivalevi}}
* {{u|Ziaix}}
* {{u|Alpha Totodile}}
* {{u|Jonbobsmith}}
* {{u|AvalonTreman}}
* {{u|Giratina Warrior}}
* {{u|Manaphy1}}
* {{u|swampert_rox}} - Writing whatever articles I think of
* {{u|water555}}
* {{u|Lunick v sonela}} - (Obsesed)
* {{u|Crystal Shards}} - I'll do what I can!
* {{u|Marillrocks}} - I've been doing stuff for Gen IV and V
* {{u|GaryMaister31}}
* {{u|Micster1018}} - only available on saturdays and sundays
* {{u|EpicEspeon}}
* {{u|Firefly292}} - I know allot about the coding of the games and could help out.
* {{u|Midnight Blue}} - Will do my best!
* {{u|Smurf}} - Hope I can help!
* {{u|The Bulb's Master}} - Platinum and HeartGold helper.
* {{u|PokeFreak-Z}}
* {{u|Rio191}}
* {{u|Grungle7}}
* {{u|Kaitie50}}
* {{u|Yoyozoo}}
* {{u|Elonkudden}} - Platinum, R/S and Explorers of Time/Sky
* {{u|pokemaster384}}
* {{u|Force Fire}}
* {{u|MeDeoPal}} - Know most things about the most Pokemon games.
* {{u|Amai_Liang}} - Side game informant.
* {{u|ravi0m}} - Main Game Info
* {{u|Samus Fan101}} - I love Pokemon and will do what I can.
* {{u|TheLastCharmander}} - I've played and completed every Pokémon game made so far except HG/SS. I think I'll be able to help a lot.
* {{u|Smartkidhen}}
* {{u|Kimori-Hinoarashi}} - I have tons of Pokémon games. (See my Userpage.)
* {{u|Anonym12}} – I'll do my best to help.
* {{u|Houndoomforpresident}}-Love the games especially generation 2<math></math> georgey1380
* {{u|Dialgarules}} - Mostly on detailing items and correcting information that isn't right.
* {{u|Ender}} - Whatever I can.
* {{u|Pokemon59}} - S/E MS Darkness and Sky, Platinum and Pearl
* {{u|Tyler53841}} - Specialty in conformation. Have all the Gen III-IV main series handheld games.
* {{u|Smoochum}}
* {{u|PokemonMasterArceus}}- Owns most pokemon gba games. loves pokemon.
* {{u|24keyserpokemon}}-Probaly going to help with english release of Pokémon HG/SS
* {{u|Garydos}} -Going to tweak and detail info on HG, Battle Rev, etc.
* {{u|Cubone14}} red and blue mystery dungeons
* {{u|FireRed507}}-I'm working on Pokéradar, and Route Data
* {{u|Maxwell37}}
* {{u|Graah2}}-I'm helping with r/s and fr/lg
* {{u|Jade106}}
* {{u|Fishmonk}}-I'm really good at gathering information and would like to help in any way possible.
* {{u|Gamerater888}}-I'm very good at Pokémon.
* {{u|Palkiamaster}}- helping edit silly pages with FALSE info
* {{u|duardognn}}
* {{u|050294}}
* {{u|SaitoFX}} Yipee!
* {{u|DoTheWave}}
* {{u|OtakuN3rd}} Created article about the [[Monster Brain]]
* {{u|hyper10111412395}} Just started bu will be writing on Mystery Dungeon
* {{u|Munchy Lax}}- New, but will be writing about DS games.
* {{u|CFBA}}: Bulbapedia Rookie
* {{u|PkmnXD}}: Only available some sundays, all weekdays, idle on saturdays. I love pokemon Heartgold, so I love this project :)
* {{u|Lucario and Pichu}} Watch me contribute like crazy.
* {{u|Phantomjunkie}} My expertise is in the Hoenn trilogy and the GameCube Pokémon games.
* {{u|CuboneKing}}
* {{u|Pokeman225}}
* {{u|Tailzfoxy96}} - I'll be the reliable reporter on all things Black and White.
* {{u|Dbeckelheimer6}}- I know a lot about the games. I could be help.
* {{u|Super Swampert}} I have a lot of the games. I might be able to help.
* {{u|firemaster122}} I have most of the games so I could probably help out
* {{u|Ztobor}} Just for game mechanics.
* {{u|Chaos791}} Um... I'll try my best.
* {{u|PkmnPokedex392}}I Don't care if I'm New.I Love Pokémon!
* {{u|Pokemon26}} I have played the games for 12 years... let me know if I can help.
* {{u|Loghomewill}} Played for 8 years. I can hold my own.
* {{u|Ruberduck0123}} My knowledge is in Diamond, will be working on that
* {{u|Zelfie}} I frequently play Pearl, Platinum, Shadows of Almia, and SoulSilver ♫
* {{u|Dannyboy601}}
* {{u|Soulsilverdiamond96}} the games are my favorite part of Pokémon franchise. I will help as much as I can.
* Alkamota : i have enough to make the place look no different, though it is.
* {{u|SnorlaxMonster}}
* {{u|TheRedCharizard}} I have all the games. I have a site and can give you great facts
* {{u|alebcay}} I will work on small, minor edits, and whatever you miss.
* {{u|Milkgila}} I know pretty much about gen IV and some spin-off games.
* {{u|Meearaimeng}} I know many information about water pokemon,Almost every play style of all water pokemon.
* {{u|Musicgirl272}} Misty is my idol. Water Pokémon FTW!!!
* {{u|Lazer}}-I will try my best!
* {{u|Thealphamon}}
* {{u|Typhlosion2011}}-fire can evaporate water and burn grass, but I think misty is better than may and dawn.
* {{u|Charziardfan}}-I have my gameboy and my ds in hand p.s. fire pwns all
* {{u|Carmenstar97}}
* {{u|Pingouin7}} - I own all of the first gen games and would prefer to help with those.
* {{u|jda95}}
* {{u|ShinyEntei}}-I play Heartgold A lot and have beat pokémon blue with complete pokédex
* {{u|Focus58}}-Let's make Bulbagarden.net the best!!!
* {{u|Coon}}- I'll help with Gen III and up. And I know a lot about the Mystery Dungeon games!
* {{u|Jazama}}
* {{u|Garioshi}} - Platinum, HeartGold/SoulSilver, Black/White help, + Mystery Dungeon 2 Explorers of Sky.
*{{u|DrBrock}} - Here to fix your mistakes or two. Owning Silver,Pearl,Platinum,HG,SS,Black,White,Explorers of Sky
* {{u|Dennou Zenshi}}
* {{u|Water Max}}
* {{u|RokYourSocksOff}} I'm new so I'll fix little mistakes.
* {{u|Gameboyguy}}- I'm a huge fan of the games, so I'll work hard.
* {{u|ThatOrcEngineer}}- I know I haven't done much on this site, but I want to help, however I can.
* {{u|Donyor}}-I'm new but I own two spin offs and have experience in the main games.
* {{u|Night7Striker}}-New here, but I'll will work if needed
* {{u|Rayquaza8129}} I'm new but I can help with Third Gen.-Fifth Gen.
* {{u|YoshisWorld}} I've got a lot of games, I could really help out.
* {{u|Jamboy}} I can help with platinum and have completed Pokemon ranger 3: guardian signs!
* {{u|Chocos0}} - Have almost every game, will help any-way I can.
* {{u|PokemonFan50000}}
* {{u|shayminfreak}}
* {{u|Supermon}}-I have been studying pokemon for 4 years.
* {{u|Nick15}} - I know just a little bit about the Korean games (owning HGSS and BW in Korean)... not much but still enough
* OrangeSkarmory - know Emerald, Platinum, Diamond & Pearl inside out, also a lot about the hacks and glitches - I hope I can help! :)
* {{u|Gamermanh}}-Have access to all games from red to Platinum both physically and mentally, hope I can help
* {{u|Taposa}} - Played many Pokémon Games beginning from Gen III. Have Pokémon SS and White. (and other Pokémon games)

===Structure===



===Goals===
# To make comprehensive articles about everything related to all the Pokémon games.

===Infoboxes===
* {{Template|Infobox game}}

{{Infobox game}}

 

===Other templates===
* {{Template|Project Games notice}}

{{Project Games notice}}

* {{Template|Stub}}

{{Stub|Game}}

* {{Template|User Project Games}}

{{User Project Games}}

==Other projects==
===Parent project===
This project has no parent project.



===Subprojects===
* [[Bulbapedia:Project Battrio|Battrio]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project BerryDex|BerryDex]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project CharacterDex|CharacterDex]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project GlitchDex|GlitchDex]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project ItemDex|ItemDex]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project Moves and Abilities|Moves and Abilities]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex|Pokédex]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project Sidegames|Sidegames]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project SpriteDex|SpriteDex]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project Walkthroughs|Walkthroughs]]

===Related projects===
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Bulbapedia talk:Project Manga/Archive 1

2012-01-06T15:34:00Z

Taposa: /* Hello. I wanna... */

== Special sub-project ==

After much searching on my part on some seedier parts of the internets, I've found a site that contains all of the Special chapters. This site is Manga Fox which also contains many other manga for your possible enjoyment (it is clean and I have never exprienced a pop-up from the site while running AVG, Norton, and a simple generic firewall, although there are many ads that annoy). Easiest way to get to it is to Google it, then follow a drop down menu to Pokemon Adventures. I feel we need to rally and fix up all of the Special articles, which are in shoddy states at the moment. People who are good editors can get pictures pretty cleanly as well. I therefore propose that we create a Special special project (ha) and try and update all of the info on the site. Should be intresting [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 01:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
:We all know that the Special pages need work, I started at the beginning and am reading my way up to the chapters without pages. If you hadn't noticed, there ''is'' work on these pages: for example, I have personally made [[PS001]]-[[PS013]] better so far, and plan to continue once the TCG is under control. And, all of the manga sections are in "shoddy states" at the moment, there is no need to create a subpage when this project already covers '''all''' bases. Singling out Pokémon Special is unfair when all the other mangas need coverage as well and are in worse condition than Pokémon Special! ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
::Fair point, just wanted to get out the site (not advertising for it by the way) because a lot of people wanted to read the manga and figured, "Hey, if they're reading it, they can edit in some of the info and kill two birds with one stone." And I figured if enough people did this on a regular basis, might as well form a sub-project out of it anyway. I also noticed your work and appreciated it, I was reading all of it then going back to work on the pages. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 01:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
::I just don't see the need for a seperate project that would do the exact same thing that this one already does. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Ditto and what we need is more people to help cause only like 3/5 users of the Project actually help.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''ュウ!''']] 02:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

== I would Like to join ==

I would like to join the project Manga and help make it better and can give synopis and characters for some of the specials but I can't find the pictures.

== The Grunt with the butt, should he have his own article? ==

[[Talk:Galactic_Grunt|Discussion on the "Galactic Grunt" talk page.]] --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 12:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== Green and Blue ==
Wasnt it decided that Blue is Gary in english and Green is Leaf, so they should be named that, not their japaneese names, since this is an english wikipedia, not a japaneese wiki? I find them very misleading. That is the reason everybody gets their names confused. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 00:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:No I prefer to use Japanese the English screws it up.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 00:25, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::I still think it should be switched. I just searched "Green"(leaf) and got sent to "Blue"(Gary)... Why should we change to the opposite way just because "you prefer it that way"? I mean you are the leader of the project, but come on! --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 00:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::See [[talk:green (Adventures)|talk:blue (Special)]] for more arguments... this ought to be in the one place... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I wasnt sure if people patroled both places. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 00:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Movie12? ==

If you dont mind...i am willing to fill the synopsis of the movie12..if you could let me..i will not make a move without your permission....seriously"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 10:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== PokéSpecial chapter article screenshots ==

I'm just curious as to what "standard" the images uploaded for the PS chapter articles should be. I've managed to grab my other copies from my old house, so I should be able to start filling in those red links. However the only way I can really get some of the images from them is by taking pictures of the book itself, since I don't own a scanner. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 09:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Scanned would be very nice. But if you do decide to upload them my other ways and it comes out bad, just be sure to add <nowiki>{{bad picture}}</nowiki> incase. And I prefer to be PS___.png (or jpg) depending on quality. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 09:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Moves ==

On the Pokémon pages ([[Poli]]) are the moves meant to be sorted in any particular order, because it seems to me it should go in order of appearance, and on the actual pages for the moves, should "In the Manga" be added or not?--[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 07:37, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yes I recommend that the moves be in order of appearance. As for the moves I'm thinking about if it should or shouldn't be in it. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 07:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
::So is that they go in, or is it a "let me think"? Sarcasm is hard to detect on the net.--[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 07:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a "let me think" as I said in my last post. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 08:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:Your confusion sense was correct. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 08:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
::::<s>Well, if the articles on them are being written like the anime character's Pokemon which generally have move, why not here. If anything, at least it makes the articles look like they have more content...
::::''*starts digging back through to find complete movesets*'' '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 14:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)</s>
::I agree, but I've just started the manga, that's why I asked. Especially for the attack pages, I figure, I'm reading them, might as well grab them whilst I'm there.--[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 07:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops, I think I may have misread the OP. On the Pokémon pages, yes sort by first appearance. But I don't think that they're notable enough to warrant adding onto the move pages themselves. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 14:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't see why not, or, they could be merged into the anime template, just for the description? --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 02:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:I decided it's going to be no. Because the manga is in Black and White, which is just bland unlike the games and anime. But unless a higher up decides to add it in it's going to be no{{tt|.|For now.}}--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 02:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== DPA templates? ==

I created a Hareta's Pokémon template. looks like this:
{{Template:Hareta's Pokémon}}
it that ok?
SHould I create more templates for, you know, other manga ppl? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 11:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Odd that is was not been created before. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 20:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::well, do we need one? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 05:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon listings ==

Hey manga dudes... Just a thought: Trom created {{template|trainerPoké}} for me for the anime articled originally, but you guys can use them for manga sections as well... They would make the manga sections of many characters much better. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 11:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:I had a look and it probably will make the on hand sections of the characters better. I just hope that we have a half-decent picture of all their Pokémon though... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::Some people have the mangas and can get scans. Anyway, the template works without images, too. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 17:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well then, went and stuck in the template with scans for all of the Pokémon on the page for [[Hareta]]. I've also scanned all of Mitsumi's and Jun's Pokémon, but I'll worry about putting them up later. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 10:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Good work - but why didn't you include Bonsly and Chingling? If it's because you don't have a scan yet, just use noimage.png, it'll work. I'd do it myself but I don't have the information... Also, try expanding each Pokémon's section. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 11:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::I got scans of them just like all the rest, but while I was going through updating it, I figured that it probably wasn't worth the effort of including them, as the only thing we know about either of them is that they were caught and never seen again. I ''can'' add them in though. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 12:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::It would probably be best - even if only so we won't have two different ways of displaying the Pokémon in the same section. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 12:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Well then, added them in. As for ''expanding'' the Pokémon sections... I should be able to do that, but I don't particularly feel like it at the moment. So it'll have to wait for now. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 12:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:I think it unnessasaryily makes the page alot bigger. If they want a summary of the Pokémon, then go to their page. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:17, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:: 1) What is unnessasaryily? 2) It is good do we don't have to make a page on every Pokémon a person has. Helps a lot with them. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 22:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Blake, the whole point of that template is that we don't need pages for every single Pokémon. Only the major ones. The template is slowly replacing the smaller, crappy articles. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 22:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== Special vs Adventures ==

Discussion's been getting a little... heated over on [[Talk:Green (Adventures)#Name|whatcha-ma-call-her's talk page]] about the whole PokéSpecial naming scheme on the wiki. While I personally don't give much of a crap about whether all the articles and such are named based on Special or Adventures, it's obvious a lot of people do.

So, to at least try to establish some sort of consensus, can those of us who are '''adamant''' that the naming scheme remain based on Special bring forth some argument to keep it as such, other than "It's too much work". I'd gladly go around and change everything, at least once I get back from my holidays.

Also, a list of what would need to be changed and whether or not a bot would be capable of doing so would be nice as well :)

'''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:As TTE pointed out "Special is special, so it's staying at Special." no moving nothing else case closed. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 21:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

::Additionally, I highly doubt very many of the sysops and manga experts would even give serious consideration to the issue unless evidence proves to be anything other than {{tt|LaprasBoi|And a select few others, probably no more than 8 total}} vs. {{tt|Bulbapedia|Too many to count}}. My [[$1|2¢]]: LaprasBoi is outnumbered. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:::So... ''What'' exactly makes Special special? Why does it have different treatment to EVERY OTHER ASPECT of the franchise? Why should we have [[Blue (Special)|certain]] [[Green (Special)|characters]] going by their Japanese names when {{Gary|every}} [[Flannery|other]] {{p|Wobbuffet|aspect}} [[Hazel|of]] [[Mt. Coronet|the]] [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew|franchise]] uses terms from the ''English'' version? It's not like these are things that have [[Mondo|no]] [[Miyamoto|English]] [[Shū|equivalent]] or even one of those rare things that is the [[Hareta|same]] {{p|Pikachu|in}} [[Johto|both]] [[Erika|languages]], they distinctly have official English terminology, which considering the status of ''everything else'' on the wiki should be used. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 02:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Okay, Special alone isn't special. PiPiPi is special. The fact that these manga are more uncommon outside of Japan and are more or less eclipsed by the show about an idiot and his rat are to blame. Plus, there's the little fact that we've had them at Special ever since... forever. Even after our "English = better" ruling back in '05. We've not moved the episodes to their English titles, because it's better as it is in the epicode format, even though ''that format is only used in Japan''. Special is a very special case because of the whole Green/Blue thing. Point is, because Special is Tajiri's intent, and it came Red, Green, Blue, Yellow not Red, Blue, screw off, Yellow.
::::Plus, hey, [[Danerina]]'s at her Japanese name, despite the fact that ''she had no nickname in English''. If anything her page would put her at Bulbasaur (MPJ). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Oh and by the way. Why a bot couldn't do it? If it was asked to change every aspect of Green to Blue and Blue to Green it'd keep changing them back and forth to link to the same character every time. Not to mention the asanine redirection we'd have to employ. Remember as well that in the US it's ''still'' the Red, Green, and Blue chapter, not the Red, Blue, and Green chapter. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Certainly a solid counter argument. I honestly don't think I can argue against some of those points beyond "Yeah, but what about the English consistency?". (Which is still a valid argument, but it's already been used and wears easily when repeated over and over. :P) As for the bots though, would it really be ''that'' hard? I mean, if you take it multi-step so that say... Change "Green" to "Sandwich". Change "Blue" to "Green". Change "Sandwich" to "Blue". (And of course, "Sandwich" in this case is a placeholder for what could be ANYTHING.) --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 03:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

This has got to be the biggest discussion on bulbapedia ever. pretty much everything here is the same on Blue's talk page. So what if its Pokémon special and not adventures? does it really matter? is it because of that ppl are making discussions that are already being discussed? Admins have already said "Special, not adventures" and yet ppl are still {{m|Tackle|Tackling}} them? It is pointless and all it does hurt the helpful community that ppl have tried so hard to acheive ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 03:10, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:Biggest discussion on Bulbapedia ever? Not likely. Most trivial debate on Bulbapedia ever? ''Certainly not''. No one is trying to "hurt" the community, it's just that different people have different opinions on what is best for it. It is perfectly natural to have debates over certain things and I would argue that debates such as these can be ''beneficial'' for the community, as ''regardless of the outcome'' it gives us an opportunity to analyze our practices and determine what works best. We all love this wiki and pour a lot of work into it. But when trying to be a definitive database of all things Pokémon, sometimes certain things have to be discussed in great detail to determine the best methods. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 05:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
::I could care less about the Special/Adventures thing. People call them by both names, but it doesnt hurt because there arent two different mangas called Special and Adventures. Calling Blue Green, and Green Blue is very confusing. You dont know which person they are talking about. The official name for the guy is Blue, while the girl is Green. I fail to see what the problem with changing their names to the correct titles is.--[[User:Blake|Blake]] 18:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Because it all basically boils down to Japanese names/titles vs. English names/titles. Personally, since I know about both, I couldn't give a crap - but I'm sure others who are being poisoned by VIZ are thinking to themselves, "What sort of pot are these editors getting high on?". Also in all fairness, saying "we're not changing it because I said so" is a bit of a cop-out. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 03:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Well like I said, I wouldnt care if they had their separate names. Its just that the names conflict each other is the problem. It is confusing for the readers as a very large majority of them have no idea that the names are swiched. --'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' ([[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]) 03:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Just saw this page, sorry, here's my original post from the Blue/Green (female) discussion page: I don't mean to kindle an old fire since this has gone for a little while without discussion, but I'll throw this in there anyway as I hadn't seen it mentioned. Why are you considering naming the articles on ''popularity'' in the first place? For what's supposed to be the most reliable Pokémon 'pedia around, shouldn't it always be using the most official English sources for its content? The whole notion that you should use Japanese names because they're more popular is ridiculous and couldn't reek any more of fanon, because half of the anime community still call Ash Satoshi Gary Shigeru and all that, it really shouldn't matter what people think. If it mattered what people think, why is the Gen IV Rival's game-name Pearl? I'm pretty sure next to noone calls him that compared to how popular names like Barry are. Yes, I understand a lot of pages would need fixed links and all that, but since when does "it's too hard/it'll take too long" come into making a reliable wiki? Also, apologies in advance if this discussion is more current elsewhere. I had a little look around but I'm pretty new - Even so I'm willing to help change the page names if need be once I know the ropes.--[[User:SuperLink|SuperLink]] 12:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::I am pretty sure Pearl is based of game data. Besides, thats his Manga name, so it only makes sense the game name is the same. Although his anime name is Barry, that is only a selectable name in the games. Hidden game data says that he his Pearl. Just like with all the other characters. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hidden game data calls him something else entirely (Cedric iirc), the name Pearl is based off his default from the Japanese version I think (again, not the English name). Also the anime is closer to game canon than Adventures is; other than characters like Ash, Gary, Prima, Jimmy and Marina, all characters have the exact same name as their game counterparts. '''Besides, this isn't about GenIV Rival''', I just used him as an example of "naming based on popularity" being a pretty hypocritical thing to say.--[[User:SuperLink|SuperLink]] 13:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Hey, whatever happened to that poll idea? (holding a poll to see how many BP users prefer Female Blue/Special vs. Male Blue/Adventures) HGSS's been out for a while now... [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 18:21, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

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Looks like that argument got a resolution (which I noticed about 14 hours ago!) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 22:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

== Is anybody ''actually'' Helping? ==
So far, I don't really see any improvements in any area around manga. Im adding the missing articles in Pkmn special, what is everone else doing? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 09:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sigh* I'm helping in any manga yes there are no improvements and whatnot but soon hopefully they will be expanded and not stubby. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 09:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*Sighs*</nowiki> I'm added like, one article every 5 min here >_< ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 09:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Well I was doing the RS arc of Special ^_^; heh and yea some of the ones you made I had saved on my pc so I'll delete those... and many thanks for helping. ^_^ --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 09:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::::np ^_^. Ive been trying to find a place to read it for years (Really!). Then i saw this page, why not return the Favour? :P ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 09:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Can you help with the FRLG and Emerald arcs if you can? Also end of discussion --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 09:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::::<nowiki><not end of discussion></nowiki> ok, after i finish RuSp. <nowiki></not end of discussion></nowiki><nowiki><end of discussion></nowiki> ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 09:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:If you really want to know why there's a distinct lack of people working on stuff, feel free to come to Fermoy and live with me for a week. Things on the Internet distract you very easily, even when you say you're going to start writing PS summaries and/or taking in-book pictures :/
:'''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 23:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::True, true. luckily (for bulbapedia, not for me :( <nowiki>*Sniff*</nowiki>) im not at home right now, im currently at Mainland china where my dad works for summer. and in here almost ''Everything'' is banned. Yes, Facebook...<big>Youtube....</big> you name it, its banned :(. Oh well, at least it helps bulbapedia :P ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''Dåv]d'''</big>]]''' 12:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Special Rounds pics? ==

in almost every rounds in bulbapedia, theres no pic uploaded onto it, should we upload a pic, call it PS123.png, PS124.png... ? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 10:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 10:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::End of Discussion? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 10:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Yea ¬¬. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 10:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure Article ==

Shouldn't someone make an article on it? I don't think it's the one about the <nowiki>{{Pokémon Special|Special}}</nowiki>

Ok, I didn't mean that, I meant <nowiki>{{Pokémon Special}}</nowiki>

What the heck! I meant to link a page on Pokémon Special! Gosh! {{Unsigned|The Bulb's Master}}

:Um, we do have a article on it, its just that we have to work on the redirects. And please sign next time (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) k? [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure!]] <---heres the article ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''Dåv]d'''</big>]]''' 13:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:: btw if you want to know why its showing the templates, youre using <nowiki>{{blah}}</nowiki>, thats for templates. Links are <nowiki>[[blah]]</nowiki> Example: <nowiki>{{ }}</nowiki> is <nowiki>{{Pokémon Special}}</nowiki> while <nowiki>[[ ]]</nowiki> is [[Pokémon Special]]. ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''Dåv]d'''</big>]]''' 13:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

== Ash's Oddish ==
Does Ash's Oddish (from [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]]) warrant its own page or no? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 06:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:LIf it is notable enough to deserve its own article. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 06:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
::I haven't read the manga, and clearly CP hasn't either, but just ask yourself: did Oddish have any character development? Did it affect the plot in any way other than battling? Can you write more than two short paragraphs about it? --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 09:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
::: I've read the chapter and Oddish isn't even used in battling. Allthough I can extend each paragraph without lying or exagerating. Lunick v sonela 17:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
:Ash had an Oddish? I’ve read it a dozen times and totally forgot that. Where did it appear? I would say no, no page. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 16:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::I only own the first two volumes so idk about the last two... but it appears in [[ET08]] [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 17:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Ah. There it is. One of the artist’s favorite Pokémon to draw, in one panel, half-hidden. Not notable. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

==Why the change?==
Now don’t get me wrong, I am by NO MEANS complaining, it just took me by surprise. As some of you know, I have been a vocal proponent of ''Adventures'', ''MPJ'', and BlueboyGreengirl for a loooong time. But the response I have gotten from the administration( TTE and C!P) and numerous other users was the non-flaming equivalent of “shut up and go away, we’re tired of hearing you, our way is more common and better, plus it’s too much work even though you offered to do all the work yourself”( again, I stress, no one was actually that rude about it). So why the sudden about-face? Especially when there is a chance that Nintendo themselves may permanently make the Blue confusion official( albeit the other way around) by changing his name to Green in ''HG''/''SS''-English? Did that user poll ever happen, is that how this came about( I never saw it posted anywhere)? Or was it just soul-searching from upper management that led to the change? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 16:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:English wiki. English names. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, which is an argument that I( and others) made repeatedly in the past, only to be shot down[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Project_Manga&diff=723740&oldid=723735 [1<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Green_(Adventures)&diff=778700&oldid=778558 [2<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Green_(Adventures)&diff=779069&oldid=779050 [3<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Green_(Adventures)&diff=817065&oldid=816839 [4<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Project_Manga&diff=817841&oldid=817675 [5<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Project_Manga&diff=818173&oldid=818157 [6<nowiki>]</nowiki>] or ignored. My question was not the basic rationale, which has been clear to many of us for a long time, but why there has been a sudden change in the “Special is special” policy( see links 4 and 5 ) when the EiC and Manga project leader have both been vehemently opposed for so long. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:::There is more than one person in charge, you know. The EiC has a whole editorial board below him and the Bulbagarden executives above him. Sometimes we have disagreements and vote. I brought the subject to a staff discussion, and majority (including some of our higher-ups) ruled that we do the move. So we did the move. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 22:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::::No, I don’t know, actually. I knew there was a board, I don’t know how often staff discussions occur, and didn’t know you had a vote, which is why I am asking this. As far as I know, that occurrence has not previously been mentioned to the general community, only the action of moving, and only after the fact. Which is fine, you’re not a democratic government, you don’t need to be totally transparent, but having a private administrative process means that occasionally people will ask questions about how and/or why things get done. Thanks for clearing that up, though. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 23:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon Listing ==

The pages of the main characters for Adventures special. Not all of them have detailed Pokemon listings (none past the first four main characters). What I need to know is someone to help with creating comprehensive stuff on the Pokemon listings and more then anything I need someone who can make pictures for seperate Pokemon because when I try to I take off the whole page. Any takers? I just did Yellow's Pokemon but only have one picture for Chuchu. [[User:BrokenMotor|BrokenMotor]] 02:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:The reason there aren't many lists now is that the {{template|trainerPoké}} template is relatively new. I did the tables on Red, Blue, and Green, and someone else did Gold. I was gonna keep going soon. I'll find pictures and stuff when I have time, but you can feel free to keep going even without extra details - someone will go over the tables you create and expand them. However one thing I do have to ask of you - see the template's talk page to know how to use the template properly. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 10:36, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Okay but I want to do Silver and I want to make a main link for his Red Gyarados, but since it doesn't follow traditional scheming how would I do that?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|BrokenMotor}} ([[User talk:BrokenMotor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BrokenMotor|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}''<noinclude>
:::Put main=no to avoid autolinking, and then in the main text add it manually by entering <nowiki>{{main|Red Gyarados}}</nowiki> --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 11:10, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== Main Articles ==

I think that there are several Pokemon Articles that deserve main articles. Arckee for Crystal is one, and another is Diamond's Lax. Any takers? [[User:BrokenMotor|BrokenMotor]] 01:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:Explain. Specify exactly how they are notable? --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 03:00, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:: Well Arckee was the main cause of Crystal's injury and it is also one of her most powerful and most used Pokémon. Abd I think along with its second encounter with Larvitar makes it more important then the rest. And Lax was Diamon'd first Pokémon and comparable to [[Chahiko]], almost a mirror with Diamond and Pearl so they should both deserve main articles. [[User:BrokenMotor|BrokenMotor]] 04:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Chahiko is on the verge of deletion so that's not a very good reason beside it is Dia's starter. As for Arkee... [[User:CoolPikachu!/Manga Pokémon Notability Policy|It seems to pass this a bit]]. Read this to make sure it truly is notable. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 04:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:::: Well I think that the accident involving Crystal is very important toward the development of her character. And the whole altercation with Larvitar is pretty notable as well. But I looked over the Chahiko article and you're right there, and that was my main reason for suggesting Lax in the first place. Whatever, not as important, I think Arckee deserves an article because it is the only one of Crystal's Pokémon that really deserves one besides Mega. [[User:BrokenMotor|BrokenMotor]] 23:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Okay, make it if it does not have sufficient information, it'll be redirected to Crystal. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
== Spe- er, Adventures natures ==

I just spent waaaaaaaay too much time on Netkun taking note of all the natures they had of various Pokemon, and I figure that I might as well share the list here so that... idk, it doesn't go completely to waste or something. :/ Someone can put them in the appropriate articles or something I guess if they want? Though some of the Pokemon are just completely random and I don't know why they were even given natures in the first place but here they are.

<ab>'''Red'''
Pika - Sassy
Saur - Gentle
Poli - Brave
Lax - Impish
Gyara - Lonely
Aero - Hasty
Vui - Mild

'''Blue'''
Scizor - Docile
Charizard - Bold
Machamp - Bashful
Golduck - Serious
Ninetales - Modest
Pidgeot - Hardy
Porigon2 - Quirky
Rhydon - Mild

'''Green'''
Blasty - Jolly
Clefy - Naughty
Ditty - Rash
Wigglytuff - Lax
Nidochan - Quiet (Quirky as Nidoqueen)
Snubbull - Timid
Abra - Quirky

'''Yellow'''
Ratty - Hardy
Kitty - Brave
Dody - Hasty
Gravvy - Quirky
Omny - Docile
Chuchu - Mild

'''Gold'''
Explotaro - Impish
Ataro - Naive
Poltaro - Quiet
Sintaro - Serious
Utaro - Jolly
Mantaro - Calm
Totaro - Naughty
Pichu - Naughty

'''Silver'''
Feraligatr - Quiet
Kingdra - Serious
Gyarados - Sassy
(Lance's) Tyranitar - Quirky

'''Crystal'''
Mega - Hardy
Arckee - Hasty

'''Ruby'''
ZUZU - Relaxed
NANA - Adamant
COCO - Naive
RURU - Gentle
MIMI - Modest
POPO - Careful
Plusle - Jolly

'''Sapphire'''
Toro - Quiet
Rono - Naughty
Walo - Bold
Dono - Hasty
Pilo - Calm
Relo - Hardy
Minun - Naive

'''Emerald'''
Sceptile - Hasty
Dusclops - Lonely

'''Diamond'''
Wig - Relaxed
Lax - Impish
Pu - Careful

'''Pearl'''
Chimhiko - Naughty
Chahiko - Hasty

'''Platinum'''
Empoleon - Serious
Rapidash - Modest
Lopunny - Naive

'''Oak'''
Spearow - Hardy

'''Misty'''
Starmie - Hardy

'''Pryce'''
Swinub - Mild

'''Norman'''
Slaking - Sassy

'''Roxanne'''
Nosepass - Adamant

'''Bill'''
Farfetch'd - Hasty
Magikarp - Careful

'''Guile'''
Surskit - Bold

Mewtwo - Quiet</ab>

If there are any Japanese names still mixed in there, my apologies; I typed them down as they were registered in my mind, and though I went back to put the English names all in, I might have missed some. D: [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
:Permission granted go ahead and add them away Ume. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::Heh, I think I need to take a break from the computer after all that, but I'll be happy to add them in later if someone hasn't already gotten to it. Where on the articles should they be added? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:25, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I added an optional "nature" field to the infobox, and filled it for Red's Pokémon. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 12:38, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Awesome, I've finished up all the natures for the main characters and have moved on to the side characters. I feel like some of the natures of side characters' Pokemon might be better off moved to Trivia, but I'm just going to go with what I'm doing for now... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
==''The Electric Tale of Pikachu'' and volume titles==
Sorry about the rash moves, I didn’t realize there was an “ongoing” [[Talk:The Electric_Tale_of_Pikachu#The or no The?|discussion]] on [[Talk:The_Electric_Tale_of_Pikachu|the series article’s talk page]]. But really, no debate has occurred since January, at which time adding “The” was favored. And in the wake of the ''Adventures'' decision, logic and policy seem clear: official English titles( where available) on the English wiki. Anyway, if/when my moves are restored, I forgot an exclamation point at the end of the series and first volume titles, be sure to include it. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 17:32, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
:you dont just start moving pages like that. those pages are linked to hundreds of other pages on the site, and those pages need to be changed. if you see an outdated discussion, bring it up again. now, when CoolPika (Project Leader) comes online, he will make the decision. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
::That is exactly why MediaWiki automatically creates redirects upon moving. Even links to specific sections should still work. Unlike Blue and Green, which were preexisting articles/redirects with pre-existing links to the names via templates, these moves will break few or no links. And a bot can update the hundreds of pages to bypass the redirects. There may, in some cases, be good reasons not to move pages, but the specific ones you give here are trivial. The only concern I can think is the server load of the redirects, something I admittedly know little about, which can be handled when a bot bypasses them. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 19:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
:::I personally think the article title should include the "The". VIZ's first volume is called "The Electric Tale of Pikachu!" and all four volumes of Chuang Yi's translation are called "''The'' Electric Tale of Pikachu". Just saying. :P --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 23:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== Move protection ==

Is every manga round supposed to get move protection? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

:Same standard as anime episodes. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

::Basically, anything that's {{bp|epicode}}d should be move protected. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 09:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

== Ani-Manga ==

This has been bugging me for a while... do those Ani-Manga books fall under the umbrella of books or manga? :S (at this point in time, they're sorted under books, with Project Merchandise) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:I would consider them as books, as they are not their own series and tend to be based on the anime hence, ''Ani''-manga. So keeping it at books would be fine. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 04:22, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::That's what I figured, just thought I'd double check. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== Magical Pokémon Journey ==

I know it's not at the top of the to-do list, but I've been looking at the MPJ articles and well, they really need to work. May I suggest something?
If it's alright with whoever's in charge, I can add the anime pokemon template to all the main Pokemon characters, but there are a bunch of Pokemon also listed as "main characters" that only appear a few times. Even if they are recurring characters, they don't have much info to use, and all of their articles are stubs. Could we possibly create one page of just "other Pokemon characters in MPJ", and maybe list them using the TrainerPoke template? In the very least, just make a page for all the other Pokemon characters. They aren't notable enough for their own pages.
..did that make sense? --The [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|ωild]] [[User:Snowrunt|'''Snoωrunt''']] [[User talk:Snowrunt|'''fled!''']] 14:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:<s>The project leader is busy lately to work on manga.</s> You have my permission to add it to the main characters but, be sure you are using it right when adding them. Magical Pokémon Journey is a current lacking info so any help would be liked just be sure to ask before doing anything else. As for other characters "Reoccurring characters in Magical Pokémon Journey" would be a nice title. Also mine showing some examples in the userspace to what are going to do with the characters and templates as well. Thanks, --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

== What are we gonna do... ==

...with the round titles (assuming they're different) when [[Pokémon Adventures volume 8]] comes out from Viz? Like, which one will be the "default" title, Viz or Chuang Yi? --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

hmm..well viz translated it first right? and even if they havent traslated volumes in years the ones who know what they are doing should be used (chuang yi makes horrible mistakes..) ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC))
:The only problem is that with volumes 8 and onward, Chuang Yi technically translated them first, even though Viz had a head start ^^' I know we often seem to prefer Viz, but I want to double check before the volume is released next month :P --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

well..why not use both? have one title for whatever viz comes with and the one chuang yi has (like Vs. ariados (chuang yi) and have it say (insert viz name here) Viz version....I'm not good at describing ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC))
::For now, I'd go with VIZ first. But we need to vote among the editors, no ;) ? --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 03:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, that's a good idea! I guess we have to decide how to present it though. Maybe with tt's? as in
'''{{tt|Chapter Name|VIZ Media}}''' or '''{{tt|Chapter Name 2|Chuang Yi}}''' (Japanese: '''Japaense title''' ''Romanized title'') is the 590348950th round of the Pokémon Adventures manga created by Hidenori Kusaka and illustrated by Satoshi Yamamoto."
:::This is assuming they have different titles of course ^^' --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 16:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Actually, that was my idea as well ^^;. I have an example for the template as well. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 22:05, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Gold's Pokémon ==

Why are Gold's Pokémon's nicknames being changed to Viz's version? VIZ's came out several years earlier, after all. Is it somehow not canon anymore? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:It was decided that since VIZ's version came out first, we should change it to match their version. Yes, Chuang Yi came out first but, VIZ's translation of the series came first. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:20, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::Where was this? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:22, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Where was what? --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Where was the discussion? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It was decided by me and some higher-ups. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:30, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::So by fiat rather than community consensus? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Well, some members of the project agreed to it as well. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::By which you mean yourself and some higher-ups. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::No, if you want to know then it's on my talk page. Also, I am the leader of the manga project on Bulbapedia so I also have a say on how the manga section runs. I also know, for a fact, that you are biased against VIZ, so the community may include you, you are not the only person in it. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:44, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Also, think of it this way: will the typical, casual English-speaking fan search for the nicknames used by Viz, whose translations are more accessible to the English-speaking world, or for the ones used by Chuang Yi, whose translations are near impossible to obtain outside of Singapore (no overseas shipping) or via illegal scans of the books? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:46, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::What matters is which should be considered more official (rather than which is easier to obtain); this is clearly Chuang Yi's version because it was released much earlier. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:48, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well this is pretty similar to [[Bell Tower]] vs. Tin Tower. Tin Tower came first, but since HGSS is much more recent, it's more easily-obtainable and widely-known throughout the fanbase, which means we use Bell Tower instead. As such, Aibo is more likely to be known throughout the English-speaking fanbase over Ataro (disregarding illegal scans), especially once the volumes end up released.
:::::::::::Plus, if I recall correctly, we have a policy (or at least some kind of guideline) on using North American names whenever possible, over other countries, which includes Singapore. Which is the main reason for the Special → Adventures change, among other things. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 04:01, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::Why would that affect Special/Adventures? Chuang Yi also called it Pokémon Adventures. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 04:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Objection, Your Honor, the question is irrelevant to the facts of the case. In any case, disregard the example if you must, but the fact still stays the same: we use North American terms/names whenever possible. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 04:11, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::The policy says to use ''English'' names whenever possible. Chuang Yi's version is English. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 12:46, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think [[Talk:Aibo#Move|Maxim's explanation]] basically sums it up. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 20:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Manga crew ==

When is an article about a manga artist no longer considered a stub? Something like [[Muneo Saitō]] is obviously incomplete, but what about something like [[Yumi Tsukirino]]? --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 15:35, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
==PA Volume 8 cover==
The VIZ Volume 8 cover we have up is not the final version... The final version is more like the Volume 9 & later covers; it has the word “ADVENTURES” in shiny gold print( rather than the plain yellow of the V. 1-7 2nd Ed.s), plus the little “GOLD & SILVER” emblem beneath. I would upload it myself but my scanner is old and I can’t get it to work properly with my current computer. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're right. I think the image we have is from the prerelease promotion... I can upload a scan of my own copy in a few minutes. Thanks for noticing. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:49, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

== Misleading Information ==

On many of the Diamond and Pearl Round pages (Adventures manga), the opening line says this (This one if from PS338) Stagestruck Starly/VS. Starly (Japanese: VSムックル VS. Mukkuru) '''is the 338th round of the Diamond & Pearl chapter in the Pokémon Adventures manga'''. The bold part is misleading implies Round 1 of DP is Round 338 of DP which is not the case and it needs to be reversed to say that it's the 338th round of the Pokemon Adventures manga, in the Diamond and Pearl chapter. Like I said, many chapter have this and we need to start changing them. Just wanted to point it out so that I don't have to do all the rounds myself. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Expanding the Electric Tale of Pikachu Manga Articles ==

I just managed to track down the entire series, so I'm starting to expand and create articles related to the "The Electric Tale of Pikachu" series. Should I create seperate articles for notable characters, or should I just leave them integrated into their respective chapters. Also, I've been thinking of including a single scan depicting a notable event in the "Synopsis" section of each chapter, does that make sense? [[User:GetOutOfBox|GetOutOfBox]] 18:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
:Make character pages in your userspace, and as for the images in the synopsis, as they aren't done anywhere else with a synopsis (Adventures, anime, etc) I don't think they are necessary. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 18:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
::I agree about the synopsis picture thing. It's not really needed. Also, from what I've seen, all of the characters that originated in the Electric Tale of Pikachu already have their own articles. But the ones who were originated from the anime need to have their EToP info added...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Ok, gotcha. Thanks guys! [[User:GetOutOfBox|GetOutOfBox]] 19:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

== Hello. I wanna... ==

I want to join. I am currently in FireRed/LeafGreen Arc. {{unsigned|Taposa}}
:Then just sign your name on the list. You don't need to ask to be a member of a project. Also, be sure to sign your comments with four <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:08, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
::Oh ok so is it automatic or I need to something.[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 12:12, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
:::So I'm accepted or I need to edit or need to do something? PS- My account does not work anymore (Taposa) [[User:Taposa987|Taposa987]] 12:42, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Just type in <nowiki>{{u|Taposa987}}</nowiki> on the project page. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 16:15, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Oh ok. Done and just got my old account back from that background.....[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 15:33, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Bulbapedia:Project Manga

2012-01-06T15:32:08Z

Taposa: /* Participants */

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Some Bulbapedia members have formed a [[Bulbapedia:Project|project]] to better organize efforts to write and improve articles about the '''Pokémon Manga'''. If you would like to help, please inquire on the [[{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]] or the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 Bulbapedia forum] and see the [[{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}/To-do list]].

==Project Manga==
===Scope and aims===
'''Project Manga''' covers all articles about the Pokémon Manga. The aim is to expand on articles already created, and to create articles of the manga which do not have their own yet.
====Goals====
# Identify all the manga on Pokémon.
# Expand their articles and the existing articles.

====To-do====
{{:Bulbapedia:Project Manga/To-do list}}
===Structure===
Articles should be fairly long, but not include unnecessary information. Please see the {{bp|Manual of style/Manga|Manga manual of style}} for detailed information.

* Note: When making a page on a manga character '''they have''' to be notable.

===Participants===
Names in italics are administrators, and are listed directly under the leader for easy reference. To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list:
* ''{{u|Zesty Cactus}}'' - {{bp|Project Leaders|Project Leader}}
* ''{{u|Maverick Nate}}''
* ''{{u|RexRacer}}''
* ''{{u|electAbuzzzz}}''
* ''{{u|Umeko}}''
* {{u|Darkstorm18}}
* {{u|Optimatum}}
* {{u|Diby}}
* {{u|Gastly's Mama}}
* {{u|Pika Blue}}
* {{u|Hazzamon}}
* {{u|FenixOfTheFlame}}
* {{u|Sato}}
* {{u|Hikari.Pachirisu}}
* {{u|Blake}}
* {{u|Mr. Charlie}}
* {{u|TheChrisD}}
* {{u|Kingofun}}
* {{u|Galladeon}}
* {{u|AngelGuardian}}
* {{u|223david}}
* {{u|Lunick v sonela}}
* {{u|The Bulb's Master}}
* {{u|Empoleo}}
* {{u|Tommy-SAN}}
* {{u|Turtwig A}}
* {{u|Camilleon}}
* {{u|hippocampus}}
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User talk:Taposa987

2012-01-06T15:28:12Z

Taposa: /* {{u|Taposa}} */

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Taposa was my previous account until it the background of the wiki destroyed my account :(. {{unsigned|Taposa987}}

== {{u|Taposa}} ==

I noticed that you mentioned that your old account "does not work anymore". What exactly did you mean by this? Did you forget the password? If so, there is an option to resend the password to the email you registered. If you no longer have access to your email address, please let me know. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:02, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
:Okay, is the issue that you had selected the skin "Erika's Garden" on your old account, and now when you try and use it, you see [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=erikasgarden this]? If so, log into your old account, then paste the following link into the URL bar: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Preferences&useskin=monobook (Copy it first, because you won't be able to see it after you log in). This should force the skin to change, letting you use your account again. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:17, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
::Thank you!!!! I can use this account again :)[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 15:28, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Taposa

2011-12-09T12:15:41Z

Taposa: /* Chat Show */ new section

Bulbapedia talk:Project Manga/Archive 1

2011-12-09T12:12:03Z

Taposa: /* Hello. I wanna... */

User:Taposa

2011-12-09T12:07:39Z

Taposa: /* Intro */

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Category talk:Religion tags

2011-12-09T09:07:26Z

Taposa: /* Protestant */

Am I the only person who thinks these tags are a bad idea? I mean it's not bad to express your religion but to have a certain Pokémon represent it isn't right. So is this saying that Mew is an Atheist? Or Cresselia is Muslim? Also how come nobody made a tag for Catholicism? That religion is older than Christianity.

Truthfully you should really use the religious symbol like the cross or the Jewish star to represent religions. Not Pokémon. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 20:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:Bad idea, yes. But better to not leave any one out.
:And the Pokémon representing them do so because they're reminiscent of the symbol in question: Cresselia is the crescent moon, Mew is evolution (which inherently represents atheism, because if we didn't come from deity X, where did we?).
:It's much like the browser/OS tags: does Ninetales represent Firefox? Not totally. Sure, it's a Fire-type fox Pokémon... but still. I'm not saying that the tags are a good idea, but they do link sometimes ''very'' unrelated religions to something that everyone here enjoys: Pokémon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
: To be fair, the Hindi, Buddhist, Christian, and Shintoist at least all have Pokémon that somehow directly represent an aspect of the religion. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 05:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:: Most religious people are perfectly capable of accepting evolution. It's only America that makes it a significant part of atheism.
:: But that line of discussion just gets us into a religious debate which is the real threat here. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, true. But then what Pokémon would represent it? '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Look, if a Pokémon is used in the Tag for (for exemple) Muslim, what's the problem? Don't matter if it's a Pokémon or the Religion symbol, '''these Tags are to the users show the Religion that they believe.'''--[[Image:May.png|30px]][[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka]] [[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|uzumaki]] [[Image:Ani038MS.gif|32px]] 19:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== No. Just no. ==

Do we REALLY need to show off our religion? Seriously? {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 01:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:We have political tags, and you seem to be okay with those. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 01:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
::But I mean, like, I think people would get more offended with Religions than Politcal things... {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 01:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Two things you don't discuss in polite company: religion and politics. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 01:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:::People should be offended by neither. They're trivial matters, much like... well, all the rest of the userboxes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think so. Who wants to talk about their religion on a Pokémon site? And I agree, why use Pokémon to represent a religion? I didn't use any of these tags because it's just kind of weird. [[User:Dialgarules|Dialgarules]] 21:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Catholic ==

Out of curiosity what has Gallade got to do with Catholicism [[User:Vespitomb|User: Vespitomb]] 10:43, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Episcopal ==

Can we get an Episcopal usertag made? --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 02:11, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Protestant ==

Can we make tags for Protestants (like Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, etc.)? I think simply Christian is to vague. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis29]] ([[User talk:Zewis29|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|Contribs]]) 19:11, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

:I think they really need to put Protestant since there is Orthadox,Catholic and Christian and Orthadox and Catholic are [part of the] Christians. So unfair :(.....[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 09:07, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Taposa

2011-12-09T08:35:19Z

Taposa: /* How by Taposa */

User talk:Taposa

2011-12-09T08:35:00Z

Taposa:

User talk:Taposa

2011-12-09T08:33:20Z

Taposa: /* How by Taposa */ new section

Bulbapedia talk:Project Manga/Archive 1

2011-12-09T08:17:14Z

Taposa: /* Hello. I wanna... */

== Special sub-project ==

After much searching on my part on some seedier parts of the internets, I've found a site that contains all of the Special chapters. This site is Manga Fox which also contains many other manga for your possible enjoyment (it is clean and I have never exprienced a pop-up from the site while running AVG, Norton, and a simple generic firewall, although there are many ads that annoy). Easiest way to get to it is to Google it, then follow a drop down menu to Pokemon Adventures. I feel we need to rally and fix up all of the Special articles, which are in shoddy states at the moment. People who are good editors can get pictures pretty cleanly as well. I therefore propose that we create a Special special project (ha) and try and update all of the info on the site. Should be intresting [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 01:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
:We all know that the Special pages need work, I started at the beginning and am reading my way up to the chapters without pages. If you hadn't noticed, there ''is'' work on these pages: for example, I have personally made [[PS001]]-[[PS013]] better so far, and plan to continue once the TCG is under control. And, all of the manga sections are in "shoddy states" at the moment, there is no need to create a subpage when this project already covers '''all''' bases. Singling out Pokémon Special is unfair when all the other mangas need coverage as well and are in worse condition than Pokémon Special! ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
::Fair point, just wanted to get out the site (not advertising for it by the way) because a lot of people wanted to read the manga and figured, "Hey, if they're reading it, they can edit in some of the info and kill two birds with one stone." And I figured if enough people did this on a regular basis, might as well form a sub-project out of it anyway. I also noticed your work and appreciated it, I was reading all of it then going back to work on the pages. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 01:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
::I just don't see the need for a seperate project that would do the exact same thing that this one already does. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Ditto and what we need is more people to help cause only like 3/5 users of the Project actually help.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''ュウ!''']] 02:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

== I would Like to join ==

I would like to join the project Manga and help make it better and can give synopis and characters for some of the specials but I can't find the pictures.

== The Grunt with the butt, should he have his own article? ==

[[Talk:Galactic_Grunt|Discussion on the "Galactic Grunt" talk page.]] --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 12:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== Green and Blue ==
Wasnt it decided that Blue is Gary in english and Green is Leaf, so they should be named that, not their japaneese names, since this is an english wikipedia, not a japaneese wiki? I find them very misleading. That is the reason everybody gets their names confused. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 00:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:No I prefer to use Japanese the English screws it up.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 00:25, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::I still think it should be switched. I just searched "Green"(leaf) and got sent to "Blue"(Gary)... Why should we change to the opposite way just because "you prefer it that way"? I mean you are the leader of the project, but come on! --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 00:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::See [[talk:green (Adventures)|talk:blue (Special)]] for more arguments... this ought to be in the one place... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I wasnt sure if people patroled both places. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 00:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Movie12? ==

If you dont mind...i am willing to fill the synopsis of the movie12..if you could let me..i will not make a move without your permission....seriously"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 10:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== PokéSpecial chapter article screenshots ==

I'm just curious as to what "standard" the images uploaded for the PS chapter articles should be. I've managed to grab my other copies from my old house, so I should be able to start filling in those red links. However the only way I can really get some of the images from them is by taking pictures of the book itself, since I don't own a scanner. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 09:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Scanned would be very nice. But if you do decide to upload them my other ways and it comes out bad, just be sure to add <nowiki>{{bad picture}}</nowiki> incase. And I prefer to be PS___.png (or jpg) depending on quality. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 09:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Moves ==

On the Pokémon pages ([[Poli]]) are the moves meant to be sorted in any particular order, because it seems to me it should go in order of appearance, and on the actual pages for the moves, should "In the Manga" be added or not?--[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 07:37, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yes I recommend that the moves be in order of appearance. As for the moves I'm thinking about if it should or shouldn't be in it. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 07:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
::So is that they go in, or is it a "let me think"? Sarcasm is hard to detect on the net.--[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 07:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a "let me think" as I said in my last post. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 08:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:Your confusion sense was correct. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 08:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
::::<s>Well, if the articles on them are being written like the anime character's Pokemon which generally have move, why not here. If anything, at least it makes the articles look like they have more content...
::::''*starts digging back through to find complete movesets*'' '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 14:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)</s>
::I agree, but I've just started the manga, that's why I asked. Especially for the attack pages, I figure, I'm reading them, might as well grab them whilst I'm there.--[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 07:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops, I think I may have misread the OP. On the Pokémon pages, yes sort by first appearance. But I don't think that they're notable enough to warrant adding onto the move pages themselves. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 14:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't see why not, or, they could be merged into the anime template, just for the description? --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 02:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:I decided it's going to be no. Because the manga is in Black and White, which is just bland unlike the games and anime. But unless a higher up decides to add it in it's going to be no{{tt|.|For now.}}--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 02:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== DPA templates? ==

I created a Hareta's Pokémon template. looks like this:
{{Template:Hareta's Pokémon}}
it that ok?
SHould I create more templates for, you know, other manga ppl? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 11:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Odd that is was not been created before. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 20:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::well, do we need one? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 05:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon listings ==

Hey manga dudes... Just a thought: Trom created {{template|trainerPoké}} for me for the anime articled originally, but you guys can use them for manga sections as well... They would make the manga sections of many characters much better. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 11:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:I had a look and it probably will make the on hand sections of the characters better. I just hope that we have a half-decent picture of all their Pokémon though... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::Some people have the mangas and can get scans. Anyway, the template works without images, too. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 17:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well then, went and stuck in the template with scans for all of the Pokémon on the page for [[Hareta]]. I've also scanned all of Mitsumi's and Jun's Pokémon, but I'll worry about putting them up later. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 10:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Good work - but why didn't you include Bonsly and Chingling? If it's because you don't have a scan yet, just use noimage.png, it'll work. I'd do it myself but I don't have the information... Also, try expanding each Pokémon's section. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 11:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::I got scans of them just like all the rest, but while I was going through updating it, I figured that it probably wasn't worth the effort of including them, as the only thing we know about either of them is that they were caught and never seen again. I ''can'' add them in though. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 12:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::It would probably be best - even if only so we won't have two different ways of displaying the Pokémon in the same section. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 12:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Well then, added them in. As for ''expanding'' the Pokémon sections... I should be able to do that, but I don't particularly feel like it at the moment. So it'll have to wait for now. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 12:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:I think it unnessasaryily makes the page alot bigger. If they want a summary of the Pokémon, then go to their page. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:17, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:: 1) What is unnessasaryily? 2) It is good do we don't have to make a page on every Pokémon a person has. Helps a lot with them. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 22:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Blake, the whole point of that template is that we don't need pages for every single Pokémon. Only the major ones. The template is slowly replacing the smaller, crappy articles. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 22:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== Special vs Adventures ==

Discussion's been getting a little... heated over on [[Talk:Green (Adventures)#Name|whatcha-ma-call-her's talk page]] about the whole PokéSpecial naming scheme on the wiki. While I personally don't give much of a crap about whether all the articles and such are named based on Special or Adventures, it's obvious a lot of people do.

So, to at least try to establish some sort of consensus, can those of us who are '''adamant''' that the naming scheme remain based on Special bring forth some argument to keep it as such, other than "It's too much work". I'd gladly go around and change everything, at least once I get back from my holidays.

Also, a list of what would need to be changed and whether or not a bot would be capable of doing so would be nice as well :)

'''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:As TTE pointed out "Special is special, so it's staying at Special." no moving nothing else case closed. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 21:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

::Additionally, I highly doubt very many of the sysops and manga experts would even give serious consideration to the issue unless evidence proves to be anything other than {{tt|LaprasBoi|And a select few others, probably no more than 8 total}} vs. {{tt|Bulbapedia|Too many to count}}. My [[$1|2¢]]: LaprasBoi is outnumbered. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:::So... ''What'' exactly makes Special special? Why does it have different treatment to EVERY OTHER ASPECT of the franchise? Why should we have [[Blue (Special)|certain]] [[Green (Special)|characters]] going by their Japanese names when {{Gary|every}} [[Flannery|other]] {{p|Wobbuffet|aspect}} [[Hazel|of]] [[Mt. Coronet|the]] [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew|franchise]] uses terms from the ''English'' version? It's not like these are things that have [[Mondo|no]] [[Miyamoto|English]] [[Shū|equivalent]] or even one of those rare things that is the [[Hareta|same]] {{p|Pikachu|in}} [[Johto|both]] [[Erika|languages]], they distinctly have official English terminology, which considering the status of ''everything else'' on the wiki should be used. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 02:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Okay, Special alone isn't special. PiPiPi is special. The fact that these manga are more uncommon outside of Japan and are more or less eclipsed by the show about an idiot and his rat are to blame. Plus, there's the little fact that we've had them at Special ever since... forever. Even after our "English = better" ruling back in '05. We've not moved the episodes to their English titles, because it's better as it is in the epicode format, even though ''that format is only used in Japan''. Special is a very special case because of the whole Green/Blue thing. Point is, because Special is Tajiri's intent, and it came Red, Green, Blue, Yellow not Red, Blue, screw off, Yellow.
::::Plus, hey, [[Danerina]]'s at her Japanese name, despite the fact that ''she had no nickname in English''. If anything her page would put her at Bulbasaur (MPJ). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Oh and by the way. Why a bot couldn't do it? If it was asked to change every aspect of Green to Blue and Blue to Green it'd keep changing them back and forth to link to the same character every time. Not to mention the asanine redirection we'd have to employ. Remember as well that in the US it's ''still'' the Red, Green, and Blue chapter, not the Red, Blue, and Green chapter. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Certainly a solid counter argument. I honestly don't think I can argue against some of those points beyond "Yeah, but what about the English consistency?". (Which is still a valid argument, but it's already been used and wears easily when repeated over and over. :P) As for the bots though, would it really be ''that'' hard? I mean, if you take it multi-step so that say... Change "Green" to "Sandwich". Change "Blue" to "Green". Change "Sandwich" to "Blue". (And of course, "Sandwich" in this case is a placeholder for what could be ANYTHING.) --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 03:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

This has got to be the biggest discussion on bulbapedia ever. pretty much everything here is the same on Blue's talk page. So what if its Pokémon special and not adventures? does it really matter? is it because of that ppl are making discussions that are already being discussed? Admins have already said "Special, not adventures" and yet ppl are still {{m|Tackle|Tackling}} them? It is pointless and all it does hurt the helpful community that ppl have tried so hard to acheive ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 03:10, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:Biggest discussion on Bulbapedia ever? Not likely. Most trivial debate on Bulbapedia ever? ''Certainly not''. No one is trying to "hurt" the community, it's just that different people have different opinions on what is best for it. It is perfectly natural to have debates over certain things and I would argue that debates such as these can be ''beneficial'' for the community, as ''regardless of the outcome'' it gives us an opportunity to analyze our practices and determine what works best. We all love this wiki and pour a lot of work into it. But when trying to be a definitive database of all things Pokémon, sometimes certain things have to be discussed in great detail to determine the best methods. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 05:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
::I could care less about the Special/Adventures thing. People call them by both names, but it doesnt hurt because there arent two different mangas called Special and Adventures. Calling Blue Green, and Green Blue is very confusing. You dont know which person they are talking about. The official name for the guy is Blue, while the girl is Green. I fail to see what the problem with changing their names to the correct titles is.--[[User:Blake|Blake]] 18:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Because it all basically boils down to Japanese names/titles vs. English names/titles. Personally, since I know about both, I couldn't give a crap - but I'm sure others who are being poisoned by VIZ are thinking to themselves, "What sort of pot are these editors getting high on?". Also in all fairness, saying "we're not changing it because I said so" is a bit of a cop-out. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 03:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Well like I said, I wouldnt care if they had their separate names. Its just that the names conflict each other is the problem. It is confusing for the readers as a very large majority of them have no idea that the names are swiched. --'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' ([[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]) 03:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Just saw this page, sorry, here's my original post from the Blue/Green (female) discussion page: I don't mean to kindle an old fire since this has gone for a little while without discussion, but I'll throw this in there anyway as I hadn't seen it mentioned. Why are you considering naming the articles on ''popularity'' in the first place? For what's supposed to be the most reliable Pokémon 'pedia around, shouldn't it always be using the most official English sources for its content? The whole notion that you should use Japanese names because they're more popular is ridiculous and couldn't reek any more of fanon, because half of the anime community still call Ash Satoshi Gary Shigeru and all that, it really shouldn't matter what people think. If it mattered what people think, why is the Gen IV Rival's game-name Pearl? I'm pretty sure next to noone calls him that compared to how popular names like Barry are. Yes, I understand a lot of pages would need fixed links and all that, but since when does "it's too hard/it'll take too long" come into making a reliable wiki? Also, apologies in advance if this discussion is more current elsewhere. I had a little look around but I'm pretty new - Even so I'm willing to help change the page names if need be once I know the ropes.--[[User:SuperLink|SuperLink]] 12:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::I am pretty sure Pearl is based of game data. Besides, thats his Manga name, so it only makes sense the game name is the same. Although his anime name is Barry, that is only a selectable name in the games. Hidden game data says that he his Pearl. Just like with all the other characters. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hidden game data calls him something else entirely (Cedric iirc), the name Pearl is based off his default from the Japanese version I think (again, not the English name). Also the anime is closer to game canon than Adventures is; other than characters like Ash, Gary, Prima, Jimmy and Marina, all characters have the exact same name as their game counterparts. '''Besides, this isn't about GenIV Rival''', I just used him as an example of "naming based on popularity" being a pretty hypocritical thing to say.--[[User:SuperLink|SuperLink]] 13:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Hey, whatever happened to that poll idea? (holding a poll to see how many BP users prefer Female Blue/Special vs. Male Blue/Adventures) HGSS's been out for a while now... [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 18:21, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

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Looks like that argument got a resolution (which I noticed about 14 hours ago!) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 22:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

== Is anybody ''actually'' Helping? ==
So far, I don't really see any improvements in any area around manga. Im adding the missing articles in Pkmn special, what is everone else doing? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 09:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sigh* I'm helping in any manga yes there are no improvements and whatnot but soon hopefully they will be expanded and not stubby. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 09:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*Sighs*</nowiki> I'm added like, one article every 5 min here >_< ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 09:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Well I was doing the RS arc of Special ^_^; heh and yea some of the ones you made I had saved on my pc so I'll delete those... and many thanks for helping. ^_^ --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 09:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::::np ^_^. Ive been trying to find a place to read it for years (Really!). Then i saw this page, why not return the Favour? :P ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 09:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Can you help with the FRLG and Emerald arcs if you can? Also end of discussion --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 09:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::::<nowiki><not end of discussion></nowiki> ok, after i finish RuSp. <nowiki></not end of discussion></nowiki><nowiki><end of discussion></nowiki> ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 09:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:If you really want to know why there's a distinct lack of people working on stuff, feel free to come to Fermoy and live with me for a week. Things on the Internet distract you very easily, even when you say you're going to start writing PS summaries and/or taking in-book pictures :/
:'''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 23:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::True, true. luckily (for bulbapedia, not for me :( <nowiki>*Sniff*</nowiki>) im not at home right now, im currently at Mainland china where my dad works for summer. and in here almost ''Everything'' is banned. Yes, Facebook...<big>Youtube....</big> you name it, its banned :(. Oh well, at least it helps bulbapedia :P ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''Dåv]d'''</big>]]''' 12:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Special Rounds pics? ==

in almost every rounds in bulbapedia, theres no pic uploaded onto it, should we upload a pic, call it PS123.png, PS124.png... ? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 10:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 10:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::End of Discussion? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 10:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Yea ¬¬. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 10:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure Article ==

Shouldn't someone make an article on it? I don't think it's the one about the <nowiki>{{Pokémon Special|Special}}</nowiki>

Ok, I didn't mean that, I meant <nowiki>{{Pokémon Special}}</nowiki>

What the heck! I meant to link a page on Pokémon Special! Gosh! {{Unsigned|The Bulb's Master}}

:Um, we do have a article on it, its just that we have to work on the redirects. And please sign next time (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) k? [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure!]] <---heres the article ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''Dåv]d'''</big>]]''' 13:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:: btw if you want to know why its showing the templates, youre using <nowiki>{{blah}}</nowiki>, thats for templates. Links are <nowiki>[[blah]]</nowiki> Example: <nowiki>{{ }}</nowiki> is <nowiki>{{Pokémon Special}}</nowiki> while <nowiki>[[ ]]</nowiki> is [[Pokémon Special]]. ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''Dåv]d'''</big>]]''' 13:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

== Ash's Oddish ==
Does Ash's Oddish (from [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]]) warrant its own page or no? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 06:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:LIf it is notable enough to deserve its own article. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 06:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
::I haven't read the manga, and clearly CP hasn't either, but just ask yourself: did Oddish have any character development? Did it affect the plot in any way other than battling? Can you write more than two short paragraphs about it? --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 09:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
::: I've read the chapter and Oddish isn't even used in battling. Allthough I can extend each paragraph without lying or exagerating. Lunick v sonela 17:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
:Ash had an Oddish? I’ve read it a dozen times and totally forgot that. Where did it appear? I would say no, no page. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 16:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::I only own the first two volumes so idk about the last two... but it appears in [[ET08]] [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 17:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Ah. There it is. One of the artist’s favorite Pokémon to draw, in one panel, half-hidden. Not notable. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

==Why the change?==
Now don’t get me wrong, I am by NO MEANS complaining, it just took me by surprise. As some of you know, I have been a vocal proponent of ''Adventures'', ''MPJ'', and BlueboyGreengirl for a loooong time. But the response I have gotten from the administration( TTE and C!P) and numerous other users was the non-flaming equivalent of “shut up and go away, we’re tired of hearing you, our way is more common and better, plus it’s too much work even though you offered to do all the work yourself”( again, I stress, no one was actually that rude about it). So why the sudden about-face? Especially when there is a chance that Nintendo themselves may permanently make the Blue confusion official( albeit the other way around) by changing his name to Green in ''HG''/''SS''-English? Did that user poll ever happen, is that how this came about( I never saw it posted anywhere)? Or was it just soul-searching from upper management that led to the change? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 16:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:English wiki. English names. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, which is an argument that I( and others) made repeatedly in the past, only to be shot down[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Project_Manga&diff=723740&oldid=723735 [1<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Green_(Adventures)&diff=778700&oldid=778558 [2<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Green_(Adventures)&diff=779069&oldid=779050 [3<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Green_(Adventures)&diff=817065&oldid=816839 [4<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Project_Manga&diff=817841&oldid=817675 [5<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Project_Manga&diff=818173&oldid=818157 [6<nowiki>]</nowiki>] or ignored. My question was not the basic rationale, which has been clear to many of us for a long time, but why there has been a sudden change in the “Special is special” policy( see links 4 and 5 ) when the EiC and Manga project leader have both been vehemently opposed for so long. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:::There is more than one person in charge, you know. The EiC has a whole editorial board below him and the Bulbagarden executives above him. Sometimes we have disagreements and vote. I brought the subject to a staff discussion, and majority (including some of our higher-ups) ruled that we do the move. So we did the move. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 22:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::::No, I don’t know, actually. I knew there was a board, I don’t know how often staff discussions occur, and didn’t know you had a vote, which is why I am asking this. As far as I know, that occurrence has not previously been mentioned to the general community, only the action of moving, and only after the fact. Which is fine, you’re not a democratic government, you don’t need to be totally transparent, but having a private administrative process means that occasionally people will ask questions about how and/or why things get done. Thanks for clearing that up, though. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 23:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon Listing ==

The pages of the main characters for Adventures special. Not all of them have detailed Pokemon listings (none past the first four main characters). What I need to know is someone to help with creating comprehensive stuff on the Pokemon listings and more then anything I need someone who can make pictures for seperate Pokemon because when I try to I take off the whole page. Any takers? I just did Yellow's Pokemon but only have one picture for Chuchu. [[User:BrokenMotor|BrokenMotor]] 02:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:The reason there aren't many lists now is that the {{template|trainerPoké}} template is relatively new. I did the tables on Red, Blue, and Green, and someone else did Gold. I was gonna keep going soon. I'll find pictures and stuff when I have time, but you can feel free to keep going even without extra details - someone will go over the tables you create and expand them. However one thing I do have to ask of you - see the template's talk page to know how to use the template properly. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 10:36, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Okay but I want to do Silver and I want to make a main link for his Red Gyarados, but since it doesn't follow traditional scheming how would I do that?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|BrokenMotor}} ([[User talk:BrokenMotor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BrokenMotor|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}''<noinclude>
:::Put main=no to avoid autolinking, and then in the main text add it manually by entering <nowiki>{{main|Red Gyarados}}</nowiki> --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 11:10, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== Main Articles ==

I think that there are several Pokemon Articles that deserve main articles. Arckee for Crystal is one, and another is Diamond's Lax. Any takers? [[User:BrokenMotor|BrokenMotor]] 01:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:Explain. Specify exactly how they are notable? --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 03:00, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:: Well Arckee was the main cause of Crystal's injury and it is also one of her most powerful and most used Pokémon. Abd I think along with its second encounter with Larvitar makes it more important then the rest. And Lax was Diamon'd first Pokémon and comparable to [[Chahiko]], almost a mirror with Diamond and Pearl so they should both deserve main articles. [[User:BrokenMotor|BrokenMotor]] 04:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Chahiko is on the verge of deletion so that's not a very good reason beside it is Dia's starter. As for Arkee... [[User:CoolPikachu!/Manga Pokémon Notability Policy|It seems to pass this a bit]]. Read this to make sure it truly is notable. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 04:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:::: Well I think that the accident involving Crystal is very important toward the development of her character. And the whole altercation with Larvitar is pretty notable as well. But I looked over the Chahiko article and you're right there, and that was my main reason for suggesting Lax in the first place. Whatever, not as important, I think Arckee deserves an article because it is the only one of Crystal's Pokémon that really deserves one besides Mega. [[User:BrokenMotor|BrokenMotor]] 23:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Okay, make it if it does not have sufficient information, it'll be redirected to Crystal. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
== Spe- er, Adventures natures ==

I just spent waaaaaaaay too much time on Netkun taking note of all the natures they had of various Pokemon, and I figure that I might as well share the list here so that... idk, it doesn't go completely to waste or something. :/ Someone can put them in the appropriate articles or something I guess if they want? Though some of the Pokemon are just completely random and I don't know why they were even given natures in the first place but here they are.

<ab>'''Red'''
Pika - Sassy
Saur - Gentle
Poli - Brave
Lax - Impish
Gyara - Lonely
Aero - Hasty
Vui - Mild

'''Blue'''
Scizor - Docile
Charizard - Bold
Machamp - Bashful
Golduck - Serious
Ninetales - Modest
Pidgeot - Hardy
Porigon2 - Quirky
Rhydon - Mild

'''Green'''
Blasty - Jolly
Clefy - Naughty
Ditty - Rash
Wigglytuff - Lax
Nidochan - Quiet (Quirky as Nidoqueen)
Snubbull - Timid
Abra - Quirky

'''Yellow'''
Ratty - Hardy
Kitty - Brave
Dody - Hasty
Gravvy - Quirky
Omny - Docile
Chuchu - Mild

'''Gold'''
Explotaro - Impish
Ataro - Naive
Poltaro - Quiet
Sintaro - Serious
Utaro - Jolly
Mantaro - Calm
Totaro - Naughty
Pichu - Naughty

'''Silver'''
Feraligatr - Quiet
Kingdra - Serious
Gyarados - Sassy
(Lance's) Tyranitar - Quirky

'''Crystal'''
Mega - Hardy
Arckee - Hasty

'''Ruby'''
ZUZU - Relaxed
NANA - Adamant
COCO - Naive
RURU - Gentle
MIMI - Modest
POPO - Careful
Plusle - Jolly

'''Sapphire'''
Toro - Quiet
Rono - Naughty
Walo - Bold
Dono - Hasty
Pilo - Calm
Relo - Hardy
Minun - Naive

'''Emerald'''
Sceptile - Hasty
Dusclops - Lonely

'''Diamond'''
Wig - Relaxed
Lax - Impish
Pu - Careful

'''Pearl'''
Chimhiko - Naughty
Chahiko - Hasty

'''Platinum'''
Empoleon - Serious
Rapidash - Modest
Lopunny - Naive

'''Oak'''
Spearow - Hardy

'''Misty'''
Starmie - Hardy

'''Pryce'''
Swinub - Mild

'''Norman'''
Slaking - Sassy

'''Roxanne'''
Nosepass - Adamant

'''Bill'''
Farfetch'd - Hasty
Magikarp - Careful

'''Guile'''
Surskit - Bold

Mewtwo - Quiet</ab>

If there are any Japanese names still mixed in there, my apologies; I typed them down as they were registered in my mind, and though I went back to put the English names all in, I might have missed some. D: [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
:Permission granted go ahead and add them away Ume. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::Heh, I think I need to take a break from the computer after all that, but I'll be happy to add them in later if someone hasn't already gotten to it. Where on the articles should they be added? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:25, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I added an optional "nature" field to the infobox, and filled it for Red's Pokémon. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 12:38, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Awesome, I've finished up all the natures for the main characters and have moved on to the side characters. I feel like some of the natures of side characters' Pokemon might be better off moved to Trivia, but I'm just going to go with what I'm doing for now... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
==''The Electric Tale of Pikachu'' and volume titles==
Sorry about the rash moves, I didn’t realize there was an “ongoing” [[Talk:The Electric_Tale_of_Pikachu#The or no The?|discussion]] on [[Talk:The_Electric_Tale_of_Pikachu|the series article’s talk page]]. But really, no debate has occurred since January, at which time adding “The” was favored. And in the wake of the ''Adventures'' decision, logic and policy seem clear: official English titles( where available) on the English wiki. Anyway, if/when my moves are restored, I forgot an exclamation point at the end of the series and first volume titles, be sure to include it. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 17:32, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
:you dont just start moving pages like that. those pages are linked to hundreds of other pages on the site, and those pages need to be changed. if you see an outdated discussion, bring it up again. now, when CoolPika (Project Leader) comes online, he will make the decision. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
::That is exactly why MediaWiki automatically creates redirects upon moving. Even links to specific sections should still work. Unlike Blue and Green, which were preexisting articles/redirects with pre-existing links to the names via templates, these moves will break few or no links. And a bot can update the hundreds of pages to bypass the redirects. There may, in some cases, be good reasons not to move pages, but the specific ones you give here are trivial. The only concern I can think is the server load of the redirects, something I admittedly know little about, which can be handled when a bot bypasses them. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 19:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
:::I personally think the article title should include the "The". VIZ's first volume is called "The Electric Tale of Pikachu!" and all four volumes of Chuang Yi's translation are called "''The'' Electric Tale of Pikachu". Just saying. :P --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 23:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== Move protection ==

Is every manga round supposed to get move protection? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

:Same standard as anime episodes. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

::Basically, anything that's {{bp|epicode}}d should be move protected. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 09:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

== Ani-Manga ==

This has been bugging me for a while... do those Ani-Manga books fall under the umbrella of books or manga? :S (at this point in time, they're sorted under books, with Project Merchandise) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:I would consider them as books, as they are not their own series and tend to be based on the anime hence, ''Ani''-manga. So keeping it at books would be fine. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 04:22, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::That's what I figured, just thought I'd double check. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== Magical Pokémon Journey ==

I know it's not at the top of the to-do list, but I've been looking at the MPJ articles and well, they really need to work. May I suggest something?
If it's alright with whoever's in charge, I can add the anime pokemon template to all the main Pokemon characters, but there are a bunch of Pokemon also listed as "main characters" that only appear a few times. Even if they are recurring characters, they don't have much info to use, and all of their articles are stubs. Could we possibly create one page of just "other Pokemon characters in MPJ", and maybe list them using the TrainerPoke template? In the very least, just make a page for all the other Pokemon characters. They aren't notable enough for their own pages.
..did that make sense? --The [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|ωild]] [[User:Snowrunt|'''Snoωrunt''']] [[User talk:Snowrunt|'''fled!''']] 14:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:<s>The project leader is busy lately to work on manga.</s> You have my permission to add it to the main characters but, be sure you are using it right when adding them. Magical Pokémon Journey is a current lacking info so any help would be liked just be sure to ask before doing anything else. As for other characters "Reoccurring characters in Magical Pokémon Journey" would be a nice title. Also mine showing some examples in the userspace to what are going to do with the characters and templates as well. Thanks, --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

== What are we gonna do... ==

...with the round titles (assuming they're different) when [[Pokémon Adventures volume 8]] comes out from Viz? Like, which one will be the "default" title, Viz or Chuang Yi? --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

hmm..well viz translated it first right? and even if they havent traslated volumes in years the ones who know what they are doing should be used (chuang yi makes horrible mistakes..) ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC))
:The only problem is that with volumes 8 and onward, Chuang Yi technically translated them first, even though Viz had a head start ^^' I know we often seem to prefer Viz, but I want to double check before the volume is released next month :P --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

well..why not use both? have one title for whatever viz comes with and the one chuang yi has (like Vs. ariados (chuang yi) and have it say (insert viz name here) Viz version....I'm not good at describing ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC))
::For now, I'd go with VIZ first. But we need to vote among the editors, no ;) ? --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 03:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, that's a good idea! I guess we have to decide how to present it though. Maybe with tt's? as in
'''{{tt|Chapter Name|VIZ Media}}''' or '''{{tt|Chapter Name 2|Chuang Yi}}''' (Japanese: '''Japaense title''' ''Romanized title'') is the 590348950th round of the Pokémon Adventures manga created by Hidenori Kusaka and illustrated by Satoshi Yamamoto."
:::This is assuming they have different titles of course ^^' --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 16:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Actually, that was my idea as well ^^;. I have an example for the template as well. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 22:05, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Gold's Pokémon ==

Why are Gold's Pokémon's nicknames being changed to Viz's version? VIZ's came out several years earlier, after all. Is it somehow not canon anymore? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:It was decided that since VIZ's version came out first, we should change it to match their version. Yes, Chuang Yi came out first but, VIZ's translation of the series came first. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:20, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::Where was this? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:22, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Where was what? --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Where was the discussion? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It was decided by me and some higher-ups. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:30, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::So by fiat rather than community consensus? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Well, some members of the project agreed to it as well. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::By which you mean yourself and some higher-ups. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::No, if you want to know then it's on my talk page. Also, I am the leader of the manga project on Bulbapedia so I also have a say on how the manga section runs. I also know, for a fact, that you are biased against VIZ, so the community may include you, you are not the only person in it. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:44, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Also, think of it this way: will the typical, casual English-speaking fan search for the nicknames used by Viz, whose translations are more accessible to the English-speaking world, or for the ones used by Chuang Yi, whose translations are near impossible to obtain outside of Singapore (no overseas shipping) or via illegal scans of the books? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:46, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::What matters is which should be considered more official (rather than which is easier to obtain); this is clearly Chuang Yi's version because it was released much earlier. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:48, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well this is pretty similar to [[Bell Tower]] vs. Tin Tower. Tin Tower came first, but since HGSS is much more recent, it's more easily-obtainable and widely-known throughout the fanbase, which means we use Bell Tower instead. As such, Aibo is more likely to be known throughout the English-speaking fanbase over Ataro (disregarding illegal scans), especially once the volumes end up released.
:::::::::::Plus, if I recall correctly, we have a policy (or at least some kind of guideline) on using North American names whenever possible, over other countries, which includes Singapore. Which is the main reason for the Special → Adventures change, among other things. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 04:01, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::Why would that affect Special/Adventures? Chuang Yi also called it Pokémon Adventures. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 04:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Objection, Your Honor, the question is irrelevant to the facts of the case. In any case, disregard the example if you must, but the fact still stays the same: we use North American terms/names whenever possible. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 04:11, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::The policy says to use ''English'' names whenever possible. Chuang Yi's version is English. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 12:46, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think [[Talk:Aibo#Move|Maxim's explanation]] basically sums it up. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 20:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Manga crew ==

When is an article about a manga artist no longer considered a stub? Something like [[Muneo Saitō]] is obviously incomplete, but what about something like [[Yumi Tsukirino]]? --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 15:35, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
==PA Volume 8 cover==
The VIZ Volume 8 cover we have up is not the final version... The final version is more like the Volume 9 & later covers; it has the word “ADVENTURES” in shiny gold print( rather than the plain yellow of the V. 1-7 2nd Ed.s), plus the little “GOLD & SILVER” emblem beneath. I would upload it myself but my scanner is old and I can’t get it to work properly with my current computer. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're right. I think the image we have is from the prerelease promotion... I can upload a scan of my own copy in a few minutes. Thanks for noticing. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:49, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

== Misleading Information ==

On many of the Diamond and Pearl Round pages (Adventures manga), the opening line says this (This one if from PS338) Stagestruck Starly/VS. Starly (Japanese: VSムックル VS. Mukkuru) '''is the 338th round of the Diamond & Pearl chapter in the Pokémon Adventures manga'''. The bold part is misleading implies Round 1 of DP is Round 338 of DP which is not the case and it needs to be reversed to say that it's the 338th round of the Pokemon Adventures manga, in the Diamond and Pearl chapter. Like I said, many chapter have this and we need to start changing them. Just wanted to point it out so that I don't have to do all the rounds myself. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Expanding the Electric Tale of Pikachu Manga Articles ==

I just managed to track down the entire series, so I'm starting to expand and create articles related to the "The Electric Tale of Pikachu" series. Should I create seperate articles for notable characters, or should I just leave them integrated into their respective chapters. Also, I've been thinking of including a single scan depicting a notable event in the "Synopsis" section of each chapter, does that make sense? [[User:GetOutOfBox|GetOutOfBox]] 18:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
:Make character pages in your userspace, and as for the images in the synopsis, as they aren't done anywhere else with a synopsis (Adventures, anime, etc) I don't think they are necessary. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 18:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
::I agree about the synopsis picture thing. It's not really needed. Also, from what I've seen, all of the characters that originated in the Electric Tale of Pikachu already have their own articles. But the ones who were originated from the anime need to have their EToP info added...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Ok, gotcha. Thanks guys! [[User:GetOutOfBox|GetOutOfBox]] 19:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

== Hello. I wanna... ==

I want to join. I am currently in FireRed/LeafGreen Arc. [[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 08:17, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
:Then just sign your name on the list. You don't need to ask to be a member of a project. Also, be sure to sign your comments with four <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:08, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

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== Special sub-project ==

After much searching on my part on some seedier parts of the internets, I've found a site that contains all of the Special chapters. This site is Manga Fox which also contains many other manga for your possible enjoyment (it is clean and I have never exprienced a pop-up from the site while running AVG, Norton, and a simple generic firewall, although there are many ads that annoy). Easiest way to get to it is to Google it, then follow a drop down menu to Pokemon Adventures. I feel we need to rally and fix up all of the Special articles, which are in shoddy states at the moment. People who are good editors can get pictures pretty cleanly as well. I therefore propose that we create a Special special project (ha) and try and update all of the info on the site. Should be intresting [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 01:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
:We all know that the Special pages need work, I started at the beginning and am reading my way up to the chapters without pages. If you hadn't noticed, there ''is'' work on these pages: for example, I have personally made [[PS001]]-[[PS013]] better so far, and plan to continue once the TCG is under control. And, all of the manga sections are in "shoddy states" at the moment, there is no need to create a subpage when this project already covers '''all''' bases. Singling out Pokémon Special is unfair when all the other mangas need coverage as well and are in worse condition than Pokémon Special! ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
::Fair point, just wanted to get out the site (not advertising for it by the way) because a lot of people wanted to read the manga and figured, "Hey, if they're reading it, they can edit in some of the info and kill two birds with one stone." And I figured if enough people did this on a regular basis, might as well form a sub-project out of it anyway. I also noticed your work and appreciated it, I was reading all of it then going back to work on the pages. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 01:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
::I just don't see the need for a seperate project that would do the exact same thing that this one already does. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Ditto and what we need is more people to help cause only like 3/5 users of the Project actually help.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''ュウ!''']] 02:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

== I would Like to join ==

I would like to join the project Manga and help make it better and can give synopis and characters for some of the specials but I can't find the pictures.

== The Grunt with the butt, should he have his own article? ==

[[Talk:Galactic_Grunt|Discussion on the "Galactic Grunt" talk page.]] --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 12:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== Green and Blue ==
Wasnt it decided that Blue is Gary in english and Green is Leaf, so they should be named that, not their japaneese names, since this is an english wikipedia, not a japaneese wiki? I find them very misleading. That is the reason everybody gets their names confused. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 00:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
:No I prefer to use Japanese the English screws it up.--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 00:25, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::I still think it should be switched. I just searched "Green"(leaf) and got sent to "Blue"(Gary)... Why should we change to the opposite way just because "you prefer it that way"? I mean you are the leader of the project, but come on! --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 00:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:::See [[talk:green (Adventures)|talk:blue (Special)]] for more arguments... this ought to be in the one place... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I wasnt sure if people patroled both places. --[[User:Blake|Blake]] 00:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Movie12? ==

If you dont mind...i am willing to fill the synopsis of the movie12..if you could let me..i will not make a move without your permission....seriously"[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 10:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== PokéSpecial chapter article screenshots ==

I'm just curious as to what "standard" the images uploaded for the PS chapter articles should be. I've managed to grab my other copies from my old house, so I should be able to start filling in those red links. However the only way I can really get some of the images from them is by taking pictures of the book itself, since I don't own a scanner. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 09:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Scanned would be very nice. But if you do decide to upload them my other ways and it comes out bad, just be sure to add <nowiki>{{bad picture}}</nowiki> incase. And I prefer to be PS___.png (or jpg) depending on quality. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 09:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Moves ==

On the Pokémon pages ([[Poli]]) are the moves meant to be sorted in any particular order, because it seems to me it should go in order of appearance, and on the actual pages for the moves, should "In the Manga" be added or not?--[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 07:37, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yes I recommend that the moves be in order of appearance. As for the moves I'm thinking about if it should or shouldn't be in it. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 07:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
::So is that they go in, or is it a "let me think"? Sarcasm is hard to detect on the net.--[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 07:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It's a "let me think" as I said in my last post. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 08:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:Your confusion sense was correct. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 08:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
::::<s>Well, if the articles on them are being written like the anime character's Pokemon which generally have move, why not here. If anything, at least it makes the articles look like they have more content...
::::''*starts digging back through to find complete movesets*'' '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 14:43, 11 July 2009 (UTC)</s>
::I agree, but I've just started the manga, that's why I asked. Especially for the attack pages, I figure, I'm reading them, might as well grab them whilst I'm there.--[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 07:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops, I think I may have misread the OP. On the Pokémon pages, yes sort by first appearance. But I don't think that they're notable enough to warrant adding onto the move pages themselves. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 14:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't see why not, or, they could be merged into the anime template, just for the description? --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 02:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:I decided it's going to be no. Because the manga is in Black and White, which is just bland unlike the games and anime. But unless a higher up decides to add it in it's going to be no{{tt|.|For now.}}--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 02:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== DPA templates? ==

I created a Hareta's Pokémon template. looks like this:
{{Template:Hareta's Pokémon}}
it that ok?
SHould I create more templates for, you know, other manga ppl? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 11:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Odd that is was not been created before. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 20:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::well, do we need one? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 05:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon listings ==

Hey manga dudes... Just a thought: Trom created {{template|trainerPoké}} for me for the anime articled originally, but you guys can use them for manga sections as well... They would make the manga sections of many characters much better. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 11:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:I had a look and it probably will make the on hand sections of the characters better. I just hope that we have a half-decent picture of all their Pokémon though... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::Some people have the mangas and can get scans. Anyway, the template works without images, too. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 17:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well then, went and stuck in the template with scans for all of the Pokémon on the page for [[Hareta]]. I've also scanned all of Mitsumi's and Jun's Pokémon, but I'll worry about putting them up later. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 10:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Good work - but why didn't you include Bonsly and Chingling? If it's because you don't have a scan yet, just use noimage.png, it'll work. I'd do it myself but I don't have the information... Also, try expanding each Pokémon's section. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 11:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::I got scans of them just like all the rest, but while I was going through updating it, I figured that it probably wasn't worth the effort of including them, as the only thing we know about either of them is that they were caught and never seen again. I ''can'' add them in though. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 12:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::It would probably be best - even if only so we won't have two different ways of displaying the Pokémon in the same section. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 12:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Well then, added them in. As for ''expanding'' the Pokémon sections... I should be able to do that, but I don't particularly feel like it at the moment. So it'll have to wait for now. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 12:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:I think it unnessasaryily makes the page alot bigger. If they want a summary of the Pokémon, then go to their page. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 22:17, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:: 1) What is unnessasaryily? 2) It is good do we don't have to make a page on every Pokémon a person has. Helps a lot with them. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 22:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Blake, the whole point of that template is that we don't need pages for every single Pokémon. Only the major ones. The template is slowly replacing the smaller, crappy articles. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 22:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== Special vs Adventures ==

Discussion's been getting a little... heated over on [[Talk:Green (Adventures)#Name|whatcha-ma-call-her's talk page]] about the whole PokéSpecial naming scheme on the wiki. While I personally don't give much of a crap about whether all the articles and such are named based on Special or Adventures, it's obvious a lot of people do.

So, to at least try to establish some sort of consensus, can those of us who are '''adamant''' that the naming scheme remain based on Special bring forth some argument to keep it as such, other than "It's too much work". I'd gladly go around and change everything, at least once I get back from my holidays.

Also, a list of what would need to be changed and whether or not a bot would be capable of doing so would be nice as well :)

'''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 16:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:As TTE pointed out "Special is special, so it's staying at Special." no moving nothing else case closed. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 21:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

::Additionally, I highly doubt very many of the sysops and manga experts would even give serious consideration to the issue unless evidence proves to be anything other than {{tt|LaprasBoi|And a select few others, probably no more than 8 total}} vs. {{tt|Bulbapedia|Too many to count}}. My [[$1|2¢]]: LaprasBoi is outnumbered. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:::So... ''What'' exactly makes Special special? Why does it have different treatment to EVERY OTHER ASPECT of the franchise? Why should we have [[Blue (Special)|certain]] [[Green (Special)|characters]] going by their Japanese names when {{Gary|every}} [[Flannery|other]] {{p|Wobbuffet|aspect}} [[Hazel|of]] [[Mt. Coronet|the]] [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew|franchise]] uses terms from the ''English'' version? It's not like these are things that have [[Mondo|no]] [[Miyamoto|English]] [[Shū|equivalent]] or even one of those rare things that is the [[Hareta|same]] {{p|Pikachu|in}} [[Johto|both]] [[Erika|languages]], they distinctly have official English terminology, which considering the status of ''everything else'' on the wiki should be used. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 02:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Okay, Special alone isn't special. PiPiPi is special. The fact that these manga are more uncommon outside of Japan and are more or less eclipsed by the show about an idiot and his rat are to blame. Plus, there's the little fact that we've had them at Special ever since... forever. Even after our "English = better" ruling back in '05. We've not moved the episodes to their English titles, because it's better as it is in the epicode format, even though ''that format is only used in Japan''. Special is a very special case because of the whole Green/Blue thing. Point is, because Special is Tajiri's intent, and it came Red, Green, Blue, Yellow not Red, Blue, screw off, Yellow.
::::Plus, hey, [[Danerina]]'s at her Japanese name, despite the fact that ''she had no nickname in English''. If anything her page would put her at Bulbasaur (MPJ). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Oh and by the way. Why a bot couldn't do it? If it was asked to change every aspect of Green to Blue and Blue to Green it'd keep changing them back and forth to link to the same character every time. Not to mention the asanine redirection we'd have to employ. Remember as well that in the US it's ''still'' the Red, Green, and Blue chapter, not the Red, Blue, and Green chapter. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Certainly a solid counter argument. I honestly don't think I can argue against some of those points beyond "Yeah, but what about the English consistency?". (Which is still a valid argument, but it's already been used and wears easily when repeated over and over. :P) As for the bots though, would it really be ''that'' hard? I mean, if you take it multi-step so that say... Change "Green" to "Sandwich". Change "Blue" to "Green". Change "Sandwich" to "Blue". (And of course, "Sandwich" in this case is a placeholder for what could be ANYTHING.) --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 03:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

This has got to be the biggest discussion on bulbapedia ever. pretty much everything here is the same on Blue's talk page. So what if its Pokémon special and not adventures? does it really matter? is it because of that ppl are making discussions that are already being discussed? Admins have already said "Special, not adventures" and yet ppl are still {{m|Tackle|Tackling}} them? It is pointless and all it does hurt the helpful community that ppl have tried so hard to acheive ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 03:10, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:Biggest discussion on Bulbapedia ever? Not likely. Most trivial debate on Bulbapedia ever? ''Certainly not''. No one is trying to "hurt" the community, it's just that different people have different opinions on what is best for it. It is perfectly natural to have debates over certain things and I would argue that debates such as these can be ''beneficial'' for the community, as ''regardless of the outcome'' it gives us an opportunity to analyze our practices and determine what works best. We all love this wiki and pour a lot of work into it. But when trying to be a definitive database of all things Pokémon, sometimes certain things have to be discussed in great detail to determine the best methods. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 05:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
::I could care less about the Special/Adventures thing. People call them by both names, but it doesnt hurt because there arent two different mangas called Special and Adventures. Calling Blue Green, and Green Blue is very confusing. You dont know which person they are talking about. The official name for the guy is Blue, while the girl is Green. I fail to see what the problem with changing their names to the correct titles is.--[[User:Blake|Blake]] 18:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Because it all basically boils down to Japanese names/titles vs. English names/titles. Personally, since I know about both, I couldn't give a crap - but I'm sure others who are being poisoned by VIZ are thinking to themselves, "What sort of pot are these editors getting high on?". Also in all fairness, saying "we're not changing it because I said so" is a bit of a cop-out. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 03:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Well like I said, I wouldnt care if they had their separate names. Its just that the names conflict each other is the problem. It is confusing for the readers as a very large majority of them have no idea that the names are swiched. --'''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' ([[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]]) 03:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:Just saw this page, sorry, here's my original post from the Blue/Green (female) discussion page: I don't mean to kindle an old fire since this has gone for a little while without discussion, but I'll throw this in there anyway as I hadn't seen it mentioned. Why are you considering naming the articles on ''popularity'' in the first place? For what's supposed to be the most reliable Pokémon 'pedia around, shouldn't it always be using the most official English sources for its content? The whole notion that you should use Japanese names because they're more popular is ridiculous and couldn't reek any more of fanon, because half of the anime community still call Ash Satoshi Gary Shigeru and all that, it really shouldn't matter what people think. If it mattered what people think, why is the Gen IV Rival's game-name Pearl? I'm pretty sure next to noone calls him that compared to how popular names like Barry are. Yes, I understand a lot of pages would need fixed links and all that, but since when does "it's too hard/it'll take too long" come into making a reliable wiki? Also, apologies in advance if this discussion is more current elsewhere. I had a little look around but I'm pretty new - Even so I'm willing to help change the page names if need be once I know the ropes.--[[User:SuperLink|SuperLink]] 12:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::I am pretty sure Pearl is based of game data. Besides, thats his Manga name, so it only makes sense the game name is the same. Although his anime name is Barry, that is only a selectable name in the games. Hidden game data says that he his Pearl. Just like with all the other characters. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hidden game data calls him something else entirely (Cedric iirc), the name Pearl is based off his default from the Japanese version I think (again, not the English name). Also the anime is closer to game canon than Adventures is; other than characters like Ash, Gary, Prima, Jimmy and Marina, all characters have the exact same name as their game counterparts. '''Besides, this isn't about GenIV Rival''', I just used him as an example of "naming based on popularity" being a pretty hypocritical thing to say.--[[User:SuperLink|SuperLink]] 13:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Hey, whatever happened to that poll idea? (holding a poll to see how many BP users prefer Female Blue/Special vs. Male Blue/Adventures) HGSS's been out for a while now... [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 18:21, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

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Looks like that argument got a resolution (which I noticed about 14 hours ago!) '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 22:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

== Is anybody ''actually'' Helping? ==
So far, I don't really see any improvements in any area around manga. Im adding the missing articles in Pkmn special, what is everone else doing? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 09:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>Sigh* I'm helping in any manga yes there are no improvements and whatnot but soon hopefully they will be expanded and not stubby. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 09:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*Sighs*</nowiki> I'm added like, one article every 5 min here >_< ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 09:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Well I was doing the RS arc of Special ^_^; heh and yea some of the ones you made I had saved on my pc so I'll delete those... and many thanks for helping. ^_^ --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 09:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::::np ^_^. Ive been trying to find a place to read it for years (Really!). Then i saw this page, why not return the Favour? :P ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 09:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Can you help with the FRLG and Emerald arcs if you can? Also end of discussion --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 09:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::::<nowiki><not end of discussion></nowiki> ok, after i finish RuSp. <nowiki></not end of discussion></nowiki><nowiki><end of discussion></nowiki> ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 09:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:If you really want to know why there's a distinct lack of people working on stuff, feel free to come to Fermoy and live with me for a week. Things on the Internet distract you very easily, even when you say you're going to start writing PS summaries and/or taking in-book pictures :/
:'''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 23:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::True, true. luckily (for bulbapedia, not for me :( <nowiki>*Sniff*</nowiki>) im not at home right now, im currently at Mainland china where my dad works for summer. and in here almost ''Everything'' is banned. Yes, Facebook...<big>Youtube....</big> you name it, its banned :(. Oh well, at least it helps bulbapedia :P ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''Dåv]d'''</big>]]''' 12:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Special Rounds pics? ==

in almost every rounds in bulbapedia, theres no pic uploaded onto it, should we upload a pic, call it PS123.png, PS124.png... ? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 10:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 10:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::End of Discussion? ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''david'''</big>]] 10:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Yea ¬¬. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 10:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure Article ==

Shouldn't someone make an article on it? I don't think it's the one about the <nowiki>{{Pokémon Special|Special}}</nowiki>

Ok, I didn't mean that, I meant <nowiki>{{Pokémon Special}}</nowiki>

What the heck! I meant to link a page on Pokémon Special! Gosh! {{Unsigned|The Bulb's Master}}

:Um, we do have a article on it, its just that we have to work on the redirects. And please sign next time (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) k? [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure!]] <---heres the article ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''Dåv]d'''</big>]]''' 13:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:: btw if you want to know why its showing the templates, youre using <nowiki>{{blah}}</nowiki>, thats for templates. Links are <nowiki>[[blah]]</nowiki> Example: <nowiki>{{ }}</nowiki> is <nowiki>{{Pokémon Special}}</nowiki> while <nowiki>[[ ]]</nowiki> is [[Pokémon Special]]. ---> [[User:223david|<big>'''223'''</big>]][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|<big>'''Dåv]d'''</big>]]''' 13:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

== Ash's Oddish ==
Does Ash's Oddish (from [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]]) warrant its own page or no? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''''''Cactus''']] 06:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:LIf it is notable enough to deserve its own article. --[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 06:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
::I haven't read the manga, and clearly CP hasn't either, but just ask yourself: did Oddish have any character development? Did it affect the plot in any way other than battling? Can you write more than two short paragraphs about it? --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 09:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
::: I've read the chapter and Oddish isn't even used in battling. Allthough I can extend each paragraph without lying or exagerating. Lunick v sonela 17:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
:Ash had an Oddish? I’ve read it a dozen times and totally forgot that. Where did it appear? I would say no, no page. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 16:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::I only own the first two volumes so idk about the last two... but it appears in [[ET08]] [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 17:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Ah. There it is. One of the artist’s favorite Pokémon to draw, in one panel, half-hidden. Not notable. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

==Why the change?==
Now don’t get me wrong, I am by NO MEANS complaining, it just took me by surprise. As some of you know, I have been a vocal proponent of ''Adventures'', ''MPJ'', and BlueboyGreengirl for a loooong time. But the response I have gotten from the administration( TTE and C!P) and numerous other users was the non-flaming equivalent of “shut up and go away, we’re tired of hearing you, our way is more common and better, plus it’s too much work even though you offered to do all the work yourself”( again, I stress, no one was actually that rude about it). So why the sudden about-face? Especially when there is a chance that Nintendo themselves may permanently make the Blue confusion official( albeit the other way around) by changing his name to Green in ''HG''/''SS''-English? Did that user poll ever happen, is that how this came about( I never saw it posted anywhere)? Or was it just soul-searching from upper management that led to the change? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 16:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:English wiki. English names. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, which is an argument that I( and others) made repeatedly in the past, only to be shot down[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Project_Manga&diff=723740&oldid=723735 [1<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Green_(Adventures)&diff=778700&oldid=778558 [2<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Green_(Adventures)&diff=779069&oldid=779050 [3<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Green_(Adventures)&diff=817065&oldid=816839 [4<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Project_Manga&diff=817841&oldid=817675 [5<nowiki>]</nowiki>][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Project_Manga&diff=818173&oldid=818157 [6<nowiki>]</nowiki>] or ignored. My question was not the basic rationale, which has been clear to many of us for a long time, but why there has been a sudden change in the “Special is special” policy( see links 4 and 5 ) when the EiC and Manga project leader have both been vehemently opposed for so long. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:::There is more than one person in charge, you know. The EiC has a whole editorial board below him and the Bulbagarden executives above him. Sometimes we have disagreements and vote. I brought the subject to a staff discussion, and majority (including some of our higher-ups) ruled that we do the move. So we did the move. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 22:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::::No, I don’t know, actually. I knew there was a board, I don’t know how often staff discussions occur, and didn’t know you had a vote, which is why I am asking this. As far as I know, that occurrence has not previously been mentioned to the general community, only the action of moving, and only after the fact. Which is fine, you’re not a democratic government, you don’t need to be totally transparent, but having a private administrative process means that occasionally people will ask questions about how and/or why things get done. Thanks for clearing that up, though. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 23:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon Listing ==

The pages of the main characters for Adventures special. Not all of them have detailed Pokemon listings (none past the first four main characters). What I need to know is someone to help with creating comprehensive stuff on the Pokemon listings and more then anything I need someone who can make pictures for seperate Pokemon because when I try to I take off the whole page. Any takers? I just did Yellow's Pokemon but only have one picture for Chuchu. [[User:BrokenMotor|BrokenMotor]] 02:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:The reason there aren't many lists now is that the {{template|trainerPoké}} template is relatively new. I did the tables on Red, Blue, and Green, and someone else did Gold. I was gonna keep going soon. I'll find pictures and stuff when I have time, but you can feel free to keep going even without extra details - someone will go over the tables you create and expand them. However one thing I do have to ask of you - see the template's talk page to know how to use the template properly. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 10:36, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Okay but I want to do Silver and I want to make a main link for his Red Gyarados, but since it doesn't follow traditional scheming how would I do that?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|BrokenMotor}} ([[User talk:BrokenMotor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BrokenMotor|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}''<noinclude>
:::Put main=no to avoid autolinking, and then in the main text add it manually by entering <nowiki>{{main|Red Gyarados}}</nowiki> --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 11:10, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== Main Articles ==

I think that there are several Pokemon Articles that deserve main articles. Arckee for Crystal is one, and another is Diamond's Lax. Any takers? [[User:BrokenMotor|BrokenMotor]] 01:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:Explain. Specify exactly how they are notable? --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 03:00, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:: Well Arckee was the main cause of Crystal's injury and it is also one of her most powerful and most used Pokémon. Abd I think along with its second encounter with Larvitar makes it more important then the rest. And Lax was Diamon'd first Pokémon and comparable to [[Chahiko]], almost a mirror with Diamond and Pearl so they should both deserve main articles. [[User:BrokenMotor|BrokenMotor]] 04:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Chahiko is on the verge of deletion so that's not a very good reason beside it is Dia's starter. As for Arkee... [[User:CoolPikachu!/Manga Pokémon Notability Policy|It seems to pass this a bit]]. Read this to make sure it truly is notable. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 04:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:::: Well I think that the accident involving Crystal is very important toward the development of her character. And the whole altercation with Larvitar is pretty notable as well. But I looked over the Chahiko article and you're right there, and that was my main reason for suggesting Lax in the first place. Whatever, not as important, I think Arckee deserves an article because it is the only one of Crystal's Pokémon that really deserves one besides Mega. [[User:BrokenMotor|BrokenMotor]] 23:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Okay, make it if it does not have sufficient information, it'll be redirected to Crystal. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
== Spe- er, Adventures natures ==

I just spent waaaaaaaay too much time on Netkun taking note of all the natures they had of various Pokemon, and I figure that I might as well share the list here so that... idk, it doesn't go completely to waste or something. :/ Someone can put them in the appropriate articles or something I guess if they want? Though some of the Pokemon are just completely random and I don't know why they were even given natures in the first place but here they are.

<ab>'''Red'''
Pika - Sassy
Saur - Gentle
Poli - Brave
Lax - Impish
Gyara - Lonely
Aero - Hasty
Vui - Mild

'''Blue'''
Scizor - Docile
Charizard - Bold
Machamp - Bashful
Golduck - Serious
Ninetales - Modest
Pidgeot - Hardy
Porigon2 - Quirky
Rhydon - Mild

'''Green'''
Blasty - Jolly
Clefy - Naughty
Ditty - Rash
Wigglytuff - Lax
Nidochan - Quiet (Quirky as Nidoqueen)
Snubbull - Timid
Abra - Quirky

'''Yellow'''
Ratty - Hardy
Kitty - Brave
Dody - Hasty
Gravvy - Quirky
Omny - Docile
Chuchu - Mild

'''Gold'''
Explotaro - Impish
Ataro - Naive
Poltaro - Quiet
Sintaro - Serious
Utaro - Jolly
Mantaro - Calm
Totaro - Naughty
Pichu - Naughty

'''Silver'''
Feraligatr - Quiet
Kingdra - Serious
Gyarados - Sassy
(Lance's) Tyranitar - Quirky

'''Crystal'''
Mega - Hardy
Arckee - Hasty

'''Ruby'''
ZUZU - Relaxed
NANA - Adamant
COCO - Naive
RURU - Gentle
MIMI - Modest
POPO - Careful
Plusle - Jolly

'''Sapphire'''
Toro - Quiet
Rono - Naughty
Walo - Bold
Dono - Hasty
Pilo - Calm
Relo - Hardy
Minun - Naive

'''Emerald'''
Sceptile - Hasty
Dusclops - Lonely

'''Diamond'''
Wig - Relaxed
Lax - Impish
Pu - Careful

'''Pearl'''
Chimhiko - Naughty
Chahiko - Hasty

'''Platinum'''
Empoleon - Serious
Rapidash - Modest
Lopunny - Naive

'''Oak'''
Spearow - Hardy

'''Misty'''
Starmie - Hardy

'''Pryce'''
Swinub - Mild

'''Norman'''
Slaking - Sassy

'''Roxanne'''
Nosepass - Adamant

'''Bill'''
Farfetch'd - Hasty
Magikarp - Careful

'''Guile'''
Surskit - Bold

Mewtwo - Quiet</ab>

If there are any Japanese names still mixed in there, my apologies; I typed them down as they were registered in my mind, and though I went back to put the English names all in, I might have missed some. D: [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
:Permission granted go ahead and add them away Ume. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::Heh, I think I need to take a break from the computer after all that, but I'll be happy to add them in later if someone hasn't already gotten to it. Where on the articles should they be added? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:25, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I added an optional "nature" field to the infobox, and filled it for Red's Pokémon. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 12:38, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Awesome, I've finished up all the natures for the main characters and have moved on to the side characters. I feel like some of the natures of side characters' Pokemon might be better off moved to Trivia, but I'm just going to go with what I'm doing for now... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
==''The Electric Tale of Pikachu'' and volume titles==
Sorry about the rash moves, I didn’t realize there was an “ongoing” [[Talk:The Electric_Tale_of_Pikachu#The or no The?|discussion]] on [[Talk:The_Electric_Tale_of_Pikachu|the series article’s talk page]]. But really, no debate has occurred since January, at which time adding “The” was favored. And in the wake of the ''Adventures'' decision, logic and policy seem clear: official English titles( where available) on the English wiki. Anyway, if/when my moves are restored, I forgot an exclamation point at the end of the series and first volume titles, be sure to include it. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 17:32, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
:you dont just start moving pages like that. those pages are linked to hundreds of other pages on the site, and those pages need to be changed. if you see an outdated discussion, bring it up again. now, when CoolPika (Project Leader) comes online, he will make the decision. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
::That is exactly why MediaWiki automatically creates redirects upon moving. Even links to specific sections should still work. Unlike Blue and Green, which were preexisting articles/redirects with pre-existing links to the names via templates, these moves will break few or no links. And a bot can update the hundreds of pages to bypass the redirects. There may, in some cases, be good reasons not to move pages, but the specific ones you give here are trivial. The only concern I can think is the server load of the redirects, something I admittedly know little about, which can be handled when a bot bypasses them. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 19:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
:::I personally think the article title should include the "The". VIZ's first volume is called "The Electric Tale of Pikachu!" and all four volumes of Chuang Yi's translation are called "''The'' Electric Tale of Pikachu". Just saying. :P --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 23:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== Move protection ==

Is every manga round supposed to get move protection? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

:Same standard as anime episodes. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

::Basically, anything that's {{bp|epicode}}d should be move protected. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 09:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

== Ani-Manga ==

This has been bugging me for a while... do those Ani-Manga books fall under the umbrella of books or manga? :S (at this point in time, they're sorted under books, with Project Merchandise) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:I would consider them as books, as they are not their own series and tend to be based on the anime hence, ''Ani''-manga. So keeping it at books would be fine. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 04:22, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::That's what I figured, just thought I'd double check. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:44, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== Magical Pokémon Journey ==

I know it's not at the top of the to-do list, but I've been looking at the MPJ articles and well, they really need to work. May I suggest something?
If it's alright with whoever's in charge, I can add the anime pokemon template to all the main Pokemon characters, but there are a bunch of Pokemon also listed as "main characters" that only appear a few times. Even if they are recurring characters, they don't have much info to use, and all of their articles are stubs. Could we possibly create one page of just "other Pokemon characters in MPJ", and maybe list them using the TrainerPoke template? In the very least, just make a page for all the other Pokemon characters. They aren't notable enough for their own pages.
..did that make sense? --The [[Special:Contributions/Snowrunt|ωild]] [[User:Snowrunt|'''Snoωrunt''']] [[User talk:Snowrunt|'''fled!''']] 14:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:<s>The project leader is busy lately to work on manga.</s> You have my permission to add it to the main characters but, be sure you are using it right when adding them. Magical Pokémon Journey is a current lacking info so any help would be liked just be sure to ask before doing anything else. As for other characters "Reoccurring characters in Magical Pokémon Journey" would be a nice title. Also mine showing some examples in the userspace to what are going to do with the characters and templates as well. Thanks, --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

== What are we gonna do... ==

...with the round titles (assuming they're different) when [[Pokémon Adventures volume 8]] comes out from Viz? Like, which one will be the "default" title, Viz or Chuang Yi? --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

hmm..well viz translated it first right? and even if they havent traslated volumes in years the ones who know what they are doing should be used (chuang yi makes horrible mistakes..) ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC))
:The only problem is that with volumes 8 and onward, Chuang Yi technically translated them first, even though Viz had a head start ^^' I know we often seem to prefer Viz, but I want to double check before the volume is released next month :P --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

well..why not use both? have one title for whatever viz comes with and the one chuang yi has (like Vs. ariados (chuang yi) and have it say (insert viz name here) Viz version....I'm not good at describing ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 21:37, 5 July 2010 (UTC))
::For now, I'd go with VIZ first. But we need to vote among the editors, no ;) ? --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 03:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, that's a good idea! I guess we have to decide how to present it though. Maybe with tt's? as in
'''{{tt|Chapter Name|VIZ Media}}''' or '''{{tt|Chapter Name 2|Chuang Yi}}''' (Japanese: '''Japaense title''' ''Romanized title'') is the 590348950th round of the Pokémon Adventures manga created by Hidenori Kusaka and illustrated by Satoshi Yamamoto."
:::This is assuming they have different titles of course ^^' --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 16:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Actually, that was my idea as well ^^;. I have an example for the template as well. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 22:05, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Gold's Pokémon ==

Why are Gold's Pokémon's nicknames being changed to Viz's version? VIZ's came out several years earlier, after all. Is it somehow not canon anymore? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:It was decided that since VIZ's version came out first, we should change it to match their version. Yes, Chuang Yi came out first but, VIZ's translation of the series came first. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:20, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::Where was this? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:22, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Where was what? --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Where was the discussion? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:27, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::It was decided by me and some higher-ups. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:30, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::So by fiat rather than community consensus? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Well, some members of the project agreed to it as well. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::By which you mean yourself and some higher-ups. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::No, if you want to know then it's on my talk page. Also, I am the leader of the manga project on Bulbapedia so I also have a say on how the manga section runs. I also know, for a fact, that you are biased against VIZ, so the community may include you, you are not the only person in it. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 03:44, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Also, think of it this way: will the typical, casual English-speaking fan search for the nicknames used by Viz, whose translations are more accessible to the English-speaking world, or for the ones used by Chuang Yi, whose translations are near impossible to obtain outside of Singapore (no overseas shipping) or via illegal scans of the books? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:46, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::What matters is which should be considered more official (rather than which is easier to obtain); this is clearly Chuang Yi's version because it was released much earlier. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 03:48, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well this is pretty similar to [[Bell Tower]] vs. Tin Tower. Tin Tower came first, but since HGSS is much more recent, it's more easily-obtainable and widely-known throughout the fanbase, which means we use Bell Tower instead. As such, Aibo is more likely to be known throughout the English-speaking fanbase over Ataro (disregarding illegal scans), especially once the volumes end up released.
:::::::::::Plus, if I recall correctly, we have a policy (or at least some kind of guideline) on using North American names whenever possible, over other countries, which includes Singapore. Which is the main reason for the Special → Adventures change, among other things. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 04:01, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::Why would that affect Special/Adventures? Chuang Yi also called it Pokémon Adventures. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 04:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Objection, Your Honor, the question is irrelevant to the facts of the case. In any case, disregard the example if you must, but the fact still stays the same: we use North American terms/names whenever possible. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 04:11, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::::The policy says to use ''English'' names whenever possible. Chuang Yi's version is English. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 12:46, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think [[Talk:Aibo#Move|Maxim's explanation]] basically sums it up. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 20:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Manga crew ==

When is an article about a manga artist no longer considered a stub? Something like [[Muneo Saitō]] is obviously incomplete, but what about something like [[Yumi Tsukirino]]? --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 15:35, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
==PA Volume 8 cover==
The VIZ Volume 8 cover we have up is not the final version... The final version is more like the Volume 9 & later covers; it has the word “ADVENTURES” in shiny gold print( rather than the plain yellow of the V. 1-7 2nd Ed.s), plus the little “GOLD & SILVER” emblem beneath. I would upload it myself but my scanner is old and I can’t get it to work properly with my current computer. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're right. I think the image we have is from the prerelease promotion... I can upload a scan of my own copy in a few minutes. Thanks for noticing. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:49, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

== Misleading Information ==

On many of the Diamond and Pearl Round pages (Adventures manga), the opening line says this (This one if from PS338) Stagestruck Starly/VS. Starly (Japanese: VSムックル VS. Mukkuru) '''is the 338th round of the Diamond & Pearl chapter in the Pokémon Adventures manga'''. The bold part is misleading implies Round 1 of DP is Round 338 of DP which is not the case and it needs to be reversed to say that it's the 338th round of the Pokemon Adventures manga, in the Diamond and Pearl chapter. Like I said, many chapter have this and we need to start changing them. Just wanted to point it out so that I don't have to do all the rounds myself. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== Expanding the Electric Tale of Pikachu Manga Articles ==

I just managed to track down the entire series, so I'm starting to expand and create articles related to the "The Electric Tale of Pikachu" series. Should I create seperate articles for notable characters, or should I just leave them integrated into their respective chapters. Also, I've been thinking of including a single scan depicting a notable event in the "Synopsis" section of each chapter, does that make sense? [[User:GetOutOfBox|GetOutOfBox]] 18:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
:Make character pages in your userspace, and as for the images in the synopsis, as they aren't done anywhere else with a synopsis (Adventures, anime, etc) I don't think they are necessary. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 18:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
::I agree about the synopsis picture thing. It's not really needed. Also, from what I've seen, all of the characters that originated in the Electric Tale of Pikachu already have their own articles. But the ones who were originated from the anime need to have their EToP info added...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:43, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Ok, gotcha. Thanks guys! [[User:GetOutOfBox|GetOutOfBox]] 19:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I want to join this project. I am currently at FireRed/LeafGreen arc.

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== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==Just throwing it out there Part 2==

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more factual evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also re-edited the Isshu page. Disregarding my own personal opinion on the matter, we can't say for a fact that Isshu is NOT explicitly based on New York. "Drawing inspiration" will suffice for now. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You want me to explain Marlowe? Fine. I'll make it as simple as possible.

:Anything not geographical (elevation of land, coastline) is part of the base. Everything else (climate, buildings, road, people) is part of the motif of the area.

:Take Hoenn for example: Hoenn obviously has a tropical motif going for it. However, the climate is much different from that of Kyushu in real life. So we cannot say that Kyushu was the inspiration (basis) for the climate. That would be regulated to the motif.

:Take also the difference in population of Hoenn and Kyushu: Hoenn has way less population. Since it doesn't maintain the population, the population does not remain part of the basis. It becomes part of the motif (I.E. the low population combined with the tropical feel makes it feel like a loosely populated tropical island which, obviously, Kyushu is not).

:Now, onto buildings: Buildings are determined and built by the people living there. They also escalate the motif of the area (I.E. Fortree's Tree Houses add to the tropical feel). Since there are also a lot less buildings (similar to population), we cannot say that buildings are part of the basis because, if they did, the entire Hoenn region would not feel like a tropical island, it would feel like a city-locked island.

:Now think about it, replacing Hoenn with Isshu.

:Going to change the page back now.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just twisting the meaning of basis to match your own interpretation. No, it does not have to be solely geography-based; according to the very definition of BASIS, Isshu's Sky Arrow Bridge is BASED on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It is the foundation for it, the fundamental groundwork. Stop trying to circumvent that. As for my re-editing the Isshu page, I'm trying to at least set up a middle ground between you and I here. Unless Masuda came right out and said, "No, Isshu is not based on New York" you can't say for certain that it isn't. We both know that it at least exists as some form of inspiration. It is unnecessary and downright misleading to add any more to the page than the "drawing inspiration" bit. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You still don't understand the meaning of motif, model, stage and basis, huh?

:Didn't I tell you to get a dictionary?

:Ah well. I'll just define them for you.

:MOTIF

:1. (5) motif, motive

:(a design or figure that consists of recurring shapes or colors, as in architecture or decoration)
:2. (1) motif, motive

:(a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music)
:3. (1) theme, motif

:(a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"

:If that isn't enough, I'll bring out some more definitions for you.

:MODEL

:1. (19) model, theoretical account, framework

:(a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; "the computer program was based on a model of the circulatory and respiratory systems")
:2. (11) model

:(a type of product; "his car was an old model")
:3. (6) model, poser

:(a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos")
:4. (4) model, simulation

:(representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale))
:5. (3) exemplar, example, model, good example

:(something to be imitated; "an exemplar of success"; "a model of clarity"; "he is the very model of a modern major general")
:6. (1) model, role model

:(someone worthy of imitation; "every child needs a role model")
:7. (1) model, example

:(a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example")
:8. mannequin, manikin, mannikin, manakin, fashion model, model

:(a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; "she was too fat to be a mannequin")
:9. model, modelling, modeling

:(the act of representing something (usually on a smaller scale))

:BASIS

:1. (38) footing, basis, ground

:(a relation that provides the foundation for something; "they were on a friendly footing"; "he worked on an interim basis")
:2. (28) basis, base, foundation, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone

:(the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture")
:3. basis, base

:(the most important or necessary part of something; "the basis of this drink is orange juice")

:STAGE

:1. (25) phase, stage

:(any distinct time period in a sequence of events; "we are in a transitional stage in which many former ideas must be revised or rejected")
:2. (18) degree, level, stage, point

:(a specific identifiable position in a continuum or series or especially in a process; "a remarkable degree of frankness"; "at what stage are the social sciences?")
:3. (15) stage

:(a large platform on which people can stand and can be seen by an audience; "he clambered up onto the stage and got the actors to help him into the box")
:4. (6) stage

:(the theater as a profession (usually `the stage'); "an early movie simply showed a long kiss by two actors of the contemporary stage")
:5. (2) stagecoach, stage

:(a large coach-and-four formerly used to carry passengers and mail on regular routes between towns; "we went out of town together by stage about ten or twelve miles")
:6. (2) stage, leg

:(a section or portion of a journey or course; "then we embarked on the second stage of our Caribbean cruise")
:7. (1) stage

:(any scene regarded as a setting for exhibiting or doing something; "All the world's a stage"
:8. stage, microscope stage

:(a small platform on a microscope where the specimen is mounted for examination)

:You do remember that Junichi Masuda has said nothing more than "motif", correct? Now, if he '''meant''' something else, don't you think he would use the Japanese word for stage (like he did for Hoenn and Kyushu) instead of the ENGLISH word, motif?

:The fact is, no matter how you read it, Junichi Masuda and the Development team of the Pokemon series have confirmed that New York is Isshu's motif. They have not confirmed anything beyond that. For all we know, it could be explicitly based on New York. '''However''', at this point, it would be an '''assumption''' which is what I've been trying to get rid of since I started this section. ''Everyone assumes'' that New York is the basis of Isshu. ''It is confirmed'' ,not an assumption, that Isshu draws decorative inspiration (a.k.a. motif) from New York. '''''Nothing beyond that is confirmed'''''. If you continue to edit the Isshu page, I will ask Archaic to do something.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the page to maintain the same words but also to make it known that we do not know if he meant "not explicitly based off of New York". Happy? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're being very unreasonable. I'll say this again. Strictly in terms of my editing the page, I'm not even claiming that Isshu is based on New York -- I'm only leaving it at the simple fact that Isshu draws inspiration from it. However, you cannot say that it isn't explicitly based on NYC because you don't know for certain whether it's based on it or not. You've clarified before that you're only trying to use the facts instead of common speculation. I agree, but the page revision shouldn't go from "Isshu is based on Manhattan, New York" to "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York but is not explicitly based on New York". Rather, leaving it at "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York" is much more accurate to Masuda's statement and not only sets up a reasonable middle ground between us, it also agrees with your original intention to change the article. EDIT: I suppose that's good enough, though I still find it slightly unnecessary.

::And please, cut the "LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY" crap. I've checked the dictionary and in the case of Brooklyn Bridge, the terms 'motif' and 'basis' are not mutually exclusive. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm working with the wording of the first paragraph (to include the word motif) as we speak. However, I did already edit in

:::"Like prior regions, its general layout and coastline is based upon a real-world location. It is not known where it is based exactly, but an interview with Junichi Masuda and the rest of the development team has stated "Manhattan of New York is Isshu's motif". [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif]

:::While the largest of its cities, Hiun City, draws heavily on the densely-populated area of Lower Manhattan, to the north, rather than more cityscape, a vast desert lies. To the west and east, there are great mountains, as well, and rather than urban areas, aside from Hiun, most of Isshu is decidedly rural."

:::Give me a few minutes.

:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I guess the neutrality will suffice for me. We'll agree to disagree on the basing of Isshu, so I'll leave the remainder of this debate to anyone else wanting to pick it up. I think it's important to note though that even if Isshu isn't based on NYC, certain areas in the region are still linguistically based off their Manhattan counterparts. So NYC does at least play a role in Isshu's basing to SOME extent, which in my opinion presupposes the Isshu = New York argument.[[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Marlowe, the motif of Isshu is New York. That means the '''theme''' (hey look, a synonym :D) of Isshu is New York. So of course it would maintain the things that make New York recognizable. The bridges, Huin city and the similar coastline are all there for a reason. Its all for maintaining the '''theme''' of New York.
:::::But I'm not debating the basis of Isshu here.
:::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 15:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Let me get this straight. You admit that Hiun City has many things that New York has, even has a New York theme, but you REFUSE to believe that Isshu is based on New York and are crusading that New York is simply the motif, even going to so far as to assume that the real world and the Pokemon world are interchangeable, when Hoenn has proven they aren't?--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 17:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, hey Ryuu! Nice to see you on Bulbapedia.
:::::::I refuse to believe things that aren't facts.
:::::::Fact: New York is Isshu's motif. (Confirmed by Junichi Masuda on both Game Freak's official blog and in the interview posted on Nintendo.Co.Jp)
:::::::Assumption: OMFG! That means Isshu is New York! OMG!1!
:::::::Fact: Motif means "theme".
:::::::Fact: Hoenn, when it's basis of Kyushu was confirmed, used the Japanese word for "stage".
:::::::Fact: Isshu, when the interview was first shown in PokePia, was confirmed to use the English word "motif".
:::::::Fact: Basis and Motif mean two separate things.
:::::::Fact: This page used the assumption that Motif means Basis.
:::::::Fact: Motif does not mean Basis.
:::::::My thoughts: If Junichi Masuda used the word "motif" and meant "basis", why wouldn't he use the same word he used when he revealed the basis (stage) of Hoenn to be Kyushu? The fact that he used the English word "motif" should prove he knew what he was talking about. That means that Mr. Masuda meant the word "Motif"!

:::::::So yes, I admit that Huin City has many things New York has. I never denied that Isshu uses New York as a theme. I do deny the assumption that, because Isshu uses New York as a theme, Isshu ''is'' New York.

:::::::Frankly, Ryuu, unless Junichi Masuda comes out and makes a blog saying "Yeah, we used Manhattan as the stage of Isshu", we should keep the facts straight and in the open. The fact is "We used New York as the motif of Isshu". Nothing to be taken any other way. Motif does not mean Model/Basis/Stage. It should not be taken any other way than the definition of Motif. And it should be allowed to discuss Isshu being based somewhere else because we do not have confirmation from Game Freak or Nintendo of where Isshu is based.

:::::::Am I making sense?

:::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::To be fair, Mackinz, none of the regions are synonymous with their real-life counterparts. Johto isn't Kansai, Hoenn isn't Kyushu, Sinnoh isn't Hokkaido, etc. They're simply based on them. While it's true Masuda used the term "motif" when describing Isshu, his context doesn't exactly set it apart as a mutually exclusive term from basis. For example, we know for certain that specific areas derive inspiration from areas in NYC in the EXACT same way other regions have a basis of specific cities and buildings in their counterparts, so I think we can safely say we have enough evidence to qualify New York being the equivalent of Isshu as Kansai, for example, is the equivalent of Johto. You're correct in saying the definitions motif and basis aren't the same, but they do have similar enough contexts in the case of comparing each region's confirmed area inspirations. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll give you that, Marlowe. But still, it is not a safe assumption at this time to assume that Isshu is New York (and it is still open because of the New York motif being able to explain a lot). So can we leave it at that? I don't have time right now to debate and argue with you. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::To quote a great U.S. President, "It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is." No one's saying Isshu "is" New York. We're saying it's "based on" New York. Which is true, given that motifs from New York such as the coastline, bridges, diverse culture, and lower Manhattan drive the composition of the region. You keep insisting that motif doesn't mean basis, but what do we mean when we refer to the basis of other regions? We mean that they include motifs of the real-world counterparts, including the coastline, landmarks, and cultures. Really, there's nothing separating Isshu's basis from the other regions', besides the fact that Game Freak was somewhat more open to breaks from reality (and why shouldn't they be? Unlike with previous regions, the main game staff did not include anyone native to New York, unlike with previous games.). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys, please quit it with the arguing. Isshu is based on New York, and there's really absolutely no arguing this. The context of the interview as a whole makes it clear that Isshu is the New York as Hoenn is to Kyushu, Johto is the Kansai, etc. The nuances you're arguing really aren't present, and if they are, it's not enough to sway Bulbapedia's scale of "what makes X based on Y." So shut up and stop arguing, or else you are subject to a temporary block for insubordination. Thanks. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Outdated Notice?==

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Is this article really outdated or is this just one of the spams. I'm going to remove it but if it isn't please put it back for me. ([[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 14:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC))
:Yeah, it is outdated. Black and White have been released and the article needs to start looking like other region's pages now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

i updated this to the format like the other regions and it was removed!--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:No you didn't. You replaced content with stuff that was already lower on the page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== New Map of isshu. ==

http://up3.viploader.net/game/src/vlgame026784.jpg

It is isshu map of the ANIME version. It confirmed it by 001 stories. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:Good idea, but could you find a better picture?--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 15:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::I obtained this image by chance. I'm sorry for being not able to offer a high-quality image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I would add it.--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== A guess on Etymology ==
Well I'll get the silly one out of the way: *'''Un'''*ited States *'''of A'''*merica. It makes me think of general Japanese style shortening like *'''Poke'''*tto *'''Mon'''*suta. I knew the region was based on USA, so I figured the localization was done since it's a "home turf" based decision like how the Japanese regions stayed untouched. I was expecting the other localizations to use Unova, but my guess on the method sort of works for the others. The following are what respective speakers call USA. French: États-*'''Unis'''* (Unys) German: Ver*'''ein'''*igte Staaten (Einall) My stab in of "ein" is probably improper but it does mean one, and "all" may be aus*'''ahl'''*. I've come across "allein" which can refer to "single". Italian: Stati *'''Uni'''*ti d'America (Unima). The "ma" may refer to ris*'''ma'''*. I'm lost with the Spanish localization, I don't see any links at all. "United" is fairly enough though, since a literal USA basis is silly, but hey it works haha. I'm not going to bother comparing decisions made with Orre. [[User:Deadpool|Deadpool]] 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Somehow I REALLY doubt it comes from United States of America. It's just too much of a stretch to assume NoA cherry picked syllables and letters from the location's basis when that's never been done before, even in the Japanese games. I think it's just derived from the meaning it has in Japanese, "one variety". Uno, one, and -va, for variety. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I actually doubt they'll say what it stands for (if it even is an acronym of something). No one can say for sure and all we can do is just speculate which provides no real evidence. Maybe this should be a forum topic to further discuss on on what people can guess the name stands for? - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bridges ==

In an interview on G4tv.com, Junichi Masuda expressed his fascination with bridges, especially the Golden Gate bridge which closes resembles some of the bridges in Unova; would this be worth adding to the Trivia? I don't know how to add a reference. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 13:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be relevant to put in one of the bridge articles, like Sky Arrow. I would wait for a higher up to aprove though. as for the references, i'm not sure either. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]]19:40, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Alternative region translation? ==

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but here goes...

I was looking in my local GAME store (London, UK) today when I noticed the following on a display box: "Explore the new region of Alleos, and save it from the nefarious plans of Team Plasma. The Alleos region also contains two version-exclusive areas depending on which version of Pokémon the player owns - White Forest and Black City". However, both the Nintendo of Europe and GAME UK websites use Unova. Has anyone else seen this region name, or does anyone know of an explanation for it? It wasn't just on one box either, I checked several (and got some odd looks from the shop staff)
[[User:Imair|Imair]] 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=95403 This has already been discussed on the forums.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unova trivia ==

Should it be stated that Unova is the first region name not to have a long o sound? --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's already there. Look again. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Doesn't that depend on how you pronounce it? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It's pronounced (you-nuh-vuh) in the English version. --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: I pronounce it (u-nOva), but that doesn't mean either of us are right. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Snivy was referring to how it's pronounced in the Anime, in which case it would be "you-nuh-vuh." [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Like Gliscorguy54 said, no one is either right. Not even the anime. Anybody can pronounce it however they want to. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Oh I know. :P [[M12|I know that all too well...]]. I just thought their source should be mentioned. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::The official pronunciation is the official pronunciation, it wasn't how I was saying it till I saw BW001 but I know now that I was wrong and it is in fact (you-nuh-vuh) (if that's how you want pronounced spelling as (doesn't matter)) "Note that all Bulbapedia's information must come from official sources" - the anime is pretty official in my book —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 23:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't watch the anime. I'm not going to let the anime dictate how I should pronounce every names in the Pokemon fandom. Sorry. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::All I mean is that it's our job to relay the official details for readers. not decide how to pronounce things and the official line is (you-nuh-vuh), say it how you like I was saying it the previously assumed way too but I prefer it the new way (it just never occurred to me). the anime is an official source weather you watch it or not, the trivia still stands —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 03:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::Even the most recent Black and White version commercials in North America pronounce it (you-nuh-vuh)--[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 04:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hate to break it to you, but the anime is dubbed by TPCi, the company that gives the games their English names. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the official pronunciation. Not to mention that's how it is pronounced in the Black and White promos. It's official, No Ifs Ands or Butts. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==Locked==
Why is the Unova article locked?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier ==

Isn't it wrong to say that Unova is the only region without a battle frontier as a battle frontier always comes in the 3rd version of the game("Grey")? [[User:Icy|Icy]] 18:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it isn't wrong to say that because the third version hasn't even been out or even confirmed. Just wait till we get an official confirmation, which'll take several years. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::Orre would like to say hello :P [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::It is the only main series region. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to this website, Orre is also a main series region. Console alone doesn't determine if a game is main series or not.

== Location? ==

Does anyone know where Unova is located, like North of Hoenn, or East of Johto? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 02:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:It's location from the other main series regions is not yet known. All we know for sure is that it is FAR away from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. My best guess would be that it is both east and west of the other regions, just like how the United States (or NYC in this case) is both east and west. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Castelia population ==

Shouldn't it be unknown? Endless people walk up and down the streets in some areas. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:The population of Castelia is static people only. The endless people are excluded. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Contest in the Trivia ==

Should This be add this in the trivia?
:Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.
Are we allowed to change the TRIVIA or is it still the Admin?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 14:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:What do you mean? It isn't true. Kanto and Johto are anime only. Then there are the Orange Islands, Sevii Islands, Orre etc. None of those have contests. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 14:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

::I meant in Games.[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 15:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==Just throwing it out there Part 2==

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more factual evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also re-edited the Isshu page. Disregarding my own personal opinion on the matter, we can't say for a fact that Isshu is NOT explicitly based on New York. "Drawing inspiration" will suffice for now. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You want me to explain Marlowe? Fine. I'll make it as simple as possible.

:Anything not geographical (elevation of land, coastline) is part of the base. Everything else (climate, buildings, road, people) is part of the motif of the area.

:Take Hoenn for example: Hoenn obviously has a tropical motif going for it. However, the climate is much different from that of Kyushu in real life. So we cannot say that Kyushu was the inspiration (basis) for the climate. That would be regulated to the motif.

:Take also the difference in population of Hoenn and Kyushu: Hoenn has way less population. Since it doesn't maintain the population, the population does not remain part of the basis. It becomes part of the motif (I.E. the low population combined with the tropical feel makes it feel like a loosely populated tropical island which, obviously, Kyushu is not).

:Now, onto buildings: Buildings are determined and built by the people living there. They also escalate the motif of the area (I.E. Fortree's Tree Houses add to the tropical feel). Since there are also a lot less buildings (similar to population), we cannot say that buildings are part of the basis because, if they did, the entire Hoenn region would not feel like a tropical island, it would feel like a city-locked island.

:Now think about it, replacing Hoenn with Isshu.

:Going to change the page back now.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just twisting the meaning of basis to match your own interpretation. No, it does not have to be solely geography-based; according to the very definition of BASIS, Isshu's Sky Arrow Bridge is BASED on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It is the foundation for it, the fundamental groundwork. Stop trying to circumvent that. As for my re-editing the Isshu page, I'm trying to at least set up a middle ground between you and I here. Unless Masuda came right out and said, "No, Isshu is not based on New York" you can't say for certain that it isn't. We both know that it at least exists as some form of inspiration. It is unnecessary and downright misleading to add any more to the page than the "drawing inspiration" bit. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You still don't understand the meaning of motif, model, stage and basis, huh?

:Didn't I tell you to get a dictionary?

:Ah well. I'll just define them for you.

:MOTIF

:1. (5) motif, motive

:(a design or figure that consists of recurring shapes or colors, as in architecture or decoration)
:2. (1) motif, motive

:(a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music)
:3. (1) theme, motif

:(a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"

:If that isn't enough, I'll bring out some more definitions for you.

:MODEL

:1. (19) model, theoretical account, framework

:(a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; "the computer program was based on a model of the circulatory and respiratory systems")
:2. (11) model

:(a type of product; "his car was an old model")
:3. (6) model, poser

:(a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos")
:4. (4) model, simulation

:(representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale))
:5. (3) exemplar, example, model, good example

:(something to be imitated; "an exemplar of success"; "a model of clarity"; "he is the very model of a modern major general")
:6. (1) model, role model

:(someone worthy of imitation; "every child needs a role model")
:7. (1) model, example

:(a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example")
:8. mannequin, manikin, mannikin, manakin, fashion model, model

:(a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; "she was too fat to be a mannequin")
:9. model, modelling, modeling

:(the act of representing something (usually on a smaller scale))

:BASIS

:1. (38) footing, basis, ground

:(a relation that provides the foundation for something; "they were on a friendly footing"; "he worked on an interim basis")
:2. (28) basis, base, foundation, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone

:(the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture")
:3. basis, base

:(the most important or necessary part of something; "the basis of this drink is orange juice")

:STAGE

:1. (25) phase, stage

:(any distinct time period in a sequence of events; "we are in a transitional stage in which many former ideas must be revised or rejected")
:2. (18) degree, level, stage, point

:(a specific identifiable position in a continuum or series or especially in a process; "a remarkable degree of frankness"; "at what stage are the social sciences?")
:3. (15) stage

:(a large platform on which people can stand and can be seen by an audience; "he clambered up onto the stage and got the actors to help him into the box")
:4. (6) stage

:(the theater as a profession (usually `the stage'); "an early movie simply showed a long kiss by two actors of the contemporary stage")
:5. (2) stagecoach, stage

:(a large coach-and-four formerly used to carry passengers and mail on regular routes between towns; "we went out of town together by stage about ten or twelve miles")
:6. (2) stage, leg

:(a section or portion of a journey or course; "then we embarked on the second stage of our Caribbean cruise")
:7. (1) stage

:(any scene regarded as a setting for exhibiting or doing something; "All the world's a stage"
:8. stage, microscope stage

:(a small platform on a microscope where the specimen is mounted for examination)

:You do remember that Junichi Masuda has said nothing more than "motif", correct? Now, if he '''meant''' something else, don't you think he would use the Japanese word for stage (like he did for Hoenn and Kyushu) instead of the ENGLISH word, motif?

:The fact is, no matter how you read it, Junichi Masuda and the Development team of the Pokemon series have confirmed that New York is Isshu's motif. They have not confirmed anything beyond that. For all we know, it could be explicitly based on New York. '''However''', at this point, it would be an '''assumption''' which is what I've been trying to get rid of since I started this section. ''Everyone assumes'' that New York is the basis of Isshu. ''It is confirmed'' ,not an assumption, that Isshu draws decorative inspiration (a.k.a. motif) from New York. '''''Nothing beyond that is confirmed'''''. If you continue to edit the Isshu page, I will ask Archaic to do something.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the page to maintain the same words but also to make it known that we do not know if he meant "not explicitly based off of New York". Happy? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're being very unreasonable. I'll say this again. Strictly in terms of my editing the page, I'm not even claiming that Isshu is based on New York -- I'm only leaving it at the simple fact that Isshu draws inspiration from it. However, you cannot say that it isn't explicitly based on NYC because you don't know for certain whether it's based on it or not. You've clarified before that you're only trying to use the facts instead of common speculation. I agree, but the page revision shouldn't go from "Isshu is based on Manhattan, New York" to "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York but is not explicitly based on New York". Rather, leaving it at "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York" is much more accurate to Masuda's statement and not only sets up a reasonable middle ground between us, it also agrees with your original intention to change the article. EDIT: I suppose that's good enough, though I still find it slightly unnecessary.

::And please, cut the "LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY" crap. I've checked the dictionary and in the case of Brooklyn Bridge, the terms 'motif' and 'basis' are not mutually exclusive. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm working with the wording of the first paragraph (to include the word motif) as we speak. However, I did already edit in

:::"Like prior regions, its general layout and coastline is based upon a real-world location. It is not known where it is based exactly, but an interview with Junichi Masuda and the rest of the development team has stated "Manhattan of New York is Isshu's motif". [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif]

:::While the largest of its cities, Hiun City, draws heavily on the densely-populated area of Lower Manhattan, to the north, rather than more cityscape, a vast desert lies. To the west and east, there are great mountains, as well, and rather than urban areas, aside from Hiun, most of Isshu is decidedly rural."

:::Give me a few minutes.

:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I guess the neutrality will suffice for me. We'll agree to disagree on the basing of Isshu, so I'll leave the remainder of this debate to anyone else wanting to pick it up. I think it's important to note though that even if Isshu isn't based on NYC, certain areas in the region are still linguistically based off their Manhattan counterparts. So NYC does at least play a role in Isshu's basing to SOME extent, which in my opinion presupposes the Isshu = New York argument.[[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Marlowe, the motif of Isshu is New York. That means the '''theme''' (hey look, a synonym :D) of Isshu is New York. So of course it would maintain the things that make New York recognizable. The bridges, Huin city and the similar coastline are all there for a reason. Its all for maintaining the '''theme''' of New York.
:::::But I'm not debating the basis of Isshu here.
:::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 15:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Let me get this straight. You admit that Hiun City has many things that New York has, even has a New York theme, but you REFUSE to believe that Isshu is based on New York and are crusading that New York is simply the motif, even going to so far as to assume that the real world and the Pokemon world are interchangeable, when Hoenn has proven they aren't?--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 17:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, hey Ryuu! Nice to see you on Bulbapedia.
:::::::I refuse to believe things that aren't facts.
:::::::Fact: New York is Isshu's motif. (Confirmed by Junichi Masuda on both Game Freak's official blog and in the interview posted on Nintendo.Co.Jp)
:::::::Assumption: OMFG! That means Isshu is New York! OMG!1!
:::::::Fact: Motif means "theme".
:::::::Fact: Hoenn, when it's basis of Kyushu was confirmed, used the Japanese word for "stage".
:::::::Fact: Isshu, when the interview was first shown in PokePia, was confirmed to use the English word "motif".
:::::::Fact: Basis and Motif mean two separate things.
:::::::Fact: This page used the assumption that Motif means Basis.
:::::::Fact: Motif does not mean Basis.
:::::::My thoughts: If Junichi Masuda used the word "motif" and meant "basis", why wouldn't he use the same word he used when he revealed the basis (stage) of Hoenn to be Kyushu? The fact that he used the English word "motif" should prove he knew what he was talking about. That means that Mr. Masuda meant the word "Motif"!

:::::::So yes, I admit that Huin City has many things New York has. I never denied that Isshu uses New York as a theme. I do deny the assumption that, because Isshu uses New York as a theme, Isshu ''is'' New York.

:::::::Frankly, Ryuu, unless Junichi Masuda comes out and makes a blog saying "Yeah, we used Manhattan as the stage of Isshu", we should keep the facts straight and in the open. The fact is "We used New York as the motif of Isshu". Nothing to be taken any other way. Motif does not mean Model/Basis/Stage. It should not be taken any other way than the definition of Motif. And it should be allowed to discuss Isshu being based somewhere else because we do not have confirmation from Game Freak or Nintendo of where Isshu is based.

:::::::Am I making sense?

:::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::To be fair, Mackinz, none of the regions are synonymous with their real-life counterparts. Johto isn't Kansai, Hoenn isn't Kyushu, Sinnoh isn't Hokkaido, etc. They're simply based on them. While it's true Masuda used the term "motif" when describing Isshu, his context doesn't exactly set it apart as a mutually exclusive term from basis. For example, we know for certain that specific areas derive inspiration from areas in NYC in the EXACT same way other regions have a basis of specific cities and buildings in their counterparts, so I think we can safely say we have enough evidence to qualify New York being the equivalent of Isshu as Kansai, for example, is the equivalent of Johto. You're correct in saying the definitions motif and basis aren't the same, but they do have similar enough contexts in the case of comparing each region's confirmed area inspirations. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll give you that, Marlowe. But still, it is not a safe assumption at this time to assume that Isshu is New York (and it is still open because of the New York motif being able to explain a lot). So can we leave it at that? I don't have time right now to debate and argue with you. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::To quote a great U.S. President, "It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is." No one's saying Isshu "is" New York. We're saying it's "based on" New York. Which is true, given that motifs from New York such as the coastline, bridges, diverse culture, and lower Manhattan drive the composition of the region. You keep insisting that motif doesn't mean basis, but what do we mean when we refer to the basis of other regions? We mean that they include motifs of the real-world counterparts, including the coastline, landmarks, and cultures. Really, there's nothing separating Isshu's basis from the other regions', besides the fact that Game Freak was somewhat more open to breaks from reality (and why shouldn't they be? Unlike with previous regions, the main game staff did not include anyone native to New York, unlike with previous games.). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys, please quit it with the arguing. Isshu is based on New York, and there's really absolutely no arguing this. The context of the interview as a whole makes it clear that Isshu is the New York as Hoenn is to Kyushu, Johto is the Kansai, etc. The nuances you're arguing really aren't present, and if they are, it's not enough to sway Bulbapedia's scale of "what makes X based on Y." So shut up and stop arguing, or else you are subject to a temporary block for insubordination. Thanks. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Outdated Notice?==

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Is this article really outdated or is this just one of the spams. I'm going to remove it but if it isn't please put it back for me. ([[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 14:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC))
:Yeah, it is outdated. Black and White have been released and the article needs to start looking like other region's pages now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

i updated this to the format like the other regions and it was removed!--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:No you didn't. You replaced content with stuff that was already lower on the page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== New Map of isshu. ==

http://up3.viploader.net/game/src/vlgame026784.jpg

It is isshu map of the ANIME version. It confirmed it by 001 stories. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:Good idea, but could you find a better picture?--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 15:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::I obtained this image by chance. I'm sorry for being not able to offer a high-quality image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I would add it.--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== A guess on Etymology ==
Well I'll get the silly one out of the way: *'''Un'''*ited States *'''of A'''*merica. It makes me think of general Japanese style shortening like *'''Poke'''*tto *'''Mon'''*suta. I knew the region was based on USA, so I figured the localization was done since it's a "home turf" based decision like how the Japanese regions stayed untouched. I was expecting the other localizations to use Unova, but my guess on the method sort of works for the others. The following are what respective speakers call USA. French: États-*'''Unis'''* (Unys) German: Ver*'''ein'''*igte Staaten (Einall) My stab in of "ein" is probably improper but it does mean one, and "all" may be aus*'''ahl'''*. I've come across "allein" which can refer to "single". Italian: Stati *'''Uni'''*ti d'America (Unima). The "ma" may refer to ris*'''ma'''*. I'm lost with the Spanish localization, I don't see any links at all. "United" is fairly enough though, since a literal USA basis is silly, but hey it works haha. I'm not going to bother comparing decisions made with Orre. [[User:Deadpool|Deadpool]] 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Somehow I REALLY doubt it comes from United States of America. It's just too much of a stretch to assume NoA cherry picked syllables and letters from the location's basis when that's never been done before, even in the Japanese games. I think it's just derived from the meaning it has in Japanese, "one variety". Uno, one, and -va, for variety. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I actually doubt they'll say what it stands for (if it even is an acronym of something). No one can say for sure and all we can do is just speculate which provides no real evidence. Maybe this should be a forum topic to further discuss on on what people can guess the name stands for? - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bridges ==

In an interview on G4tv.com, Junichi Masuda expressed his fascination with bridges, especially the Golden Gate bridge which closes resembles some of the bridges in Unova; would this be worth adding to the Trivia? I don't know how to add a reference. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 13:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be relevant to put in one of the bridge articles, like Sky Arrow. I would wait for a higher up to aprove though. as for the references, i'm not sure either. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]]19:40, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Alternative region translation? ==

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but here goes...

I was looking in my local GAME store (London, UK) today when I noticed the following on a display box: "Explore the new region of Alleos, and save it from the nefarious plans of Team Plasma. The Alleos region also contains two version-exclusive areas depending on which version of Pokémon the player owns - White Forest and Black City". However, both the Nintendo of Europe and GAME UK websites use Unova. Has anyone else seen this region name, or does anyone know of an explanation for it? It wasn't just on one box either, I checked several (and got some odd looks from the shop staff)
[[User:Imair|Imair]] 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=95403 This has already been discussed on the forums.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unova trivia ==

Should it be stated that Unova is the first region name not to have a long o sound? --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's already there. Look again. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Doesn't that depend on how you pronounce it? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It's pronounced (you-nuh-vuh) in the English version. --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: I pronounce it (u-nOva), but that doesn't mean either of us are right. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Snivy was referring to how it's pronounced in the Anime, in which case it would be "you-nuh-vuh." [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Like Gliscorguy54 said, no one is either right. Not even the anime. Anybody can pronounce it however they want to. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Oh I know. :P [[M12|I know that all too well...]]. I just thought their source should be mentioned. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::The official pronunciation is the official pronunciation, it wasn't how I was saying it till I saw BW001 but I know now that I was wrong and it is in fact (you-nuh-vuh) (if that's how you want pronounced spelling as (doesn't matter)) "Note that all Bulbapedia's information must come from official sources" - the anime is pretty official in my book —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 23:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't watch the anime. I'm not going to let the anime dictate how I should pronounce every names in the Pokemon fandom. Sorry. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::All I mean is that it's our job to relay the official details for readers. not decide how to pronounce things and the official line is (you-nuh-vuh), say it how you like I was saying it the previously assumed way too but I prefer it the new way (it just never occurred to me). the anime is an official source weather you watch it or not, the trivia still stands —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 03:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::Even the most recent Black and White version commercials in North America pronounce it (you-nuh-vuh)--[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 04:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hate to break it to you, but the anime is dubbed by TPCi, the company that gives the games their English names. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the official pronunciation. Not to mention that's how it is pronounced in the Black and White promos. It's official, No Ifs Ands or Butts. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==Locked==
Why is the Unova article locked?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier ==

Isn't it wrong to say that Unova is the only region without a battle frontier as a battle frontier always comes in the 3rd version of the game("Grey")? [[User:Icy|Icy]] 18:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it isn't wrong to say that because the third version hasn't even been out or even confirmed. Just wait till we get an official confirmation, which'll take several years. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::Orre would like to say hello :P [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::It is the only main series region. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to this website, Orre is also a main series region. Console alone doesn't determine if a game is main series or not.

== Location? ==

Does anyone know where Unova is located, like North of Hoenn, or East of Johto? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 02:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:It's location from the other main series regions is not yet known. All we know for sure is that it is FAR away from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. My best guess would be that it is both east and west of the other regions, just like how the United States (or NYC in this case) is both east and west. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Castelia population ==

Shouldn't it be unknown? Endless people walk up and down the streets in some areas. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:The population of Castelia is static people only. The endless people are excluded. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Contest in the Trivia ==

Could/Should I add this in the trivia? (I never edited once so...)
:Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.
So would I?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 14:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Unova

2011-12-07T14:03:22Z

Taposa: /* Contest in the Trivia */ new section

== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==Just throwing it out there Part 2==

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more factual evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also re-edited the Isshu page. Disregarding my own personal opinion on the matter, we can't say for a fact that Isshu is NOT explicitly based on New York. "Drawing inspiration" will suffice for now. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You want me to explain Marlowe? Fine. I'll make it as simple as possible.

:Anything not geographical (elevation of land, coastline) is part of the base. Everything else (climate, buildings, road, people) is part of the motif of the area.

:Take Hoenn for example: Hoenn obviously has a tropical motif going for it. However, the climate is much different from that of Kyushu in real life. So we cannot say that Kyushu was the inspiration (basis) for the climate. That would be regulated to the motif.

:Take also the difference in population of Hoenn and Kyushu: Hoenn has way less population. Since it doesn't maintain the population, the population does not remain part of the basis. It becomes part of the motif (I.E. the low population combined with the tropical feel makes it feel like a loosely populated tropical island which, obviously, Kyushu is not).

:Now, onto buildings: Buildings are determined and built by the people living there. They also escalate the motif of the area (I.E. Fortree's Tree Houses add to the tropical feel). Since there are also a lot less buildings (similar to population), we cannot say that buildings are part of the basis because, if they did, the entire Hoenn region would not feel like a tropical island, it would feel like a city-locked island.

:Now think about it, replacing Hoenn with Isshu.

:Going to change the page back now.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just twisting the meaning of basis to match your own interpretation. No, it does not have to be solely geography-based; according to the very definition of BASIS, Isshu's Sky Arrow Bridge is BASED on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It is the foundation for it, the fundamental groundwork. Stop trying to circumvent that. As for my re-editing the Isshu page, I'm trying to at least set up a middle ground between you and I here. Unless Masuda came right out and said, "No, Isshu is not based on New York" you can't say for certain that it isn't. We both know that it at least exists as some form of inspiration. It is unnecessary and downright misleading to add any more to the page than the "drawing inspiration" bit. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You still don't understand the meaning of motif, model, stage and basis, huh?

:Didn't I tell you to get a dictionary?

:Ah well. I'll just define them for you.

:MOTIF

:1. (5) motif, motive

:(a design or figure that consists of recurring shapes or colors, as in architecture or decoration)
:2. (1) motif, motive

:(a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music)
:3. (1) theme, motif

:(a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"

:If that isn't enough, I'll bring out some more definitions for you.

:MODEL

:1. (19) model, theoretical account, framework

:(a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; "the computer program was based on a model of the circulatory and respiratory systems")
:2. (11) model

:(a type of product; "his car was an old model")
:3. (6) model, poser

:(a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos")
:4. (4) model, simulation

:(representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale))
:5. (3) exemplar, example, model, good example

:(something to be imitated; "an exemplar of success"; "a model of clarity"; "he is the very model of a modern major general")
:6. (1) model, role model

:(someone worthy of imitation; "every child needs a role model")
:7. (1) model, example

:(a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example")
:8. mannequin, manikin, mannikin, manakin, fashion model, model

:(a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; "she was too fat to be a mannequin")
:9. model, modelling, modeling

:(the act of representing something (usually on a smaller scale))

:BASIS

:1. (38) footing, basis, ground

:(a relation that provides the foundation for something; "they were on a friendly footing"; "he worked on an interim basis")
:2. (28) basis, base, foundation, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone

:(the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture")
:3. basis, base

:(the most important or necessary part of something; "the basis of this drink is orange juice")

:STAGE

:1. (25) phase, stage

:(any distinct time period in a sequence of events; "we are in a transitional stage in which many former ideas must be revised or rejected")
:2. (18) degree, level, stage, point

:(a specific identifiable position in a continuum or series or especially in a process; "a remarkable degree of frankness"; "at what stage are the social sciences?")
:3. (15) stage

:(a large platform on which people can stand and can be seen by an audience; "he clambered up onto the stage and got the actors to help him into the box")
:4. (6) stage

:(the theater as a profession (usually `the stage'); "an early movie simply showed a long kiss by two actors of the contemporary stage")
:5. (2) stagecoach, stage

:(a large coach-and-four formerly used to carry passengers and mail on regular routes between towns; "we went out of town together by stage about ten or twelve miles")
:6. (2) stage, leg

:(a section or portion of a journey or course; "then we embarked on the second stage of our Caribbean cruise")
:7. (1) stage

:(any scene regarded as a setting for exhibiting or doing something; "All the world's a stage"
:8. stage, microscope stage

:(a small platform on a microscope where the specimen is mounted for examination)

:You do remember that Junichi Masuda has said nothing more than "motif", correct? Now, if he '''meant''' something else, don't you think he would use the Japanese word for stage (like he did for Hoenn and Kyushu) instead of the ENGLISH word, motif?

:The fact is, no matter how you read it, Junichi Masuda and the Development team of the Pokemon series have confirmed that New York is Isshu's motif. They have not confirmed anything beyond that. For all we know, it could be explicitly based on New York. '''However''', at this point, it would be an '''assumption''' which is what I've been trying to get rid of since I started this section. ''Everyone assumes'' that New York is the basis of Isshu. ''It is confirmed'' ,not an assumption, that Isshu draws decorative inspiration (a.k.a. motif) from New York. '''''Nothing beyond that is confirmed'''''. If you continue to edit the Isshu page, I will ask Archaic to do something.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the page to maintain the same words but also to make it known that we do not know if he meant "not explicitly based off of New York". Happy? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're being very unreasonable. I'll say this again. Strictly in terms of my editing the page, I'm not even claiming that Isshu is based on New York -- I'm only leaving it at the simple fact that Isshu draws inspiration from it. However, you cannot say that it isn't explicitly based on NYC because you don't know for certain whether it's based on it or not. You've clarified before that you're only trying to use the facts instead of common speculation. I agree, but the page revision shouldn't go from "Isshu is based on Manhattan, New York" to "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York but is not explicitly based on New York". Rather, leaving it at "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York" is much more accurate to Masuda's statement and not only sets up a reasonable middle ground between us, it also agrees with your original intention to change the article. EDIT: I suppose that's good enough, though I still find it slightly unnecessary.

::And please, cut the "LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY" crap. I've checked the dictionary and in the case of Brooklyn Bridge, the terms 'motif' and 'basis' are not mutually exclusive. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm working with the wording of the first paragraph (to include the word motif) as we speak. However, I did already edit in

:::"Like prior regions, its general layout and coastline is based upon a real-world location. It is not known where it is based exactly, but an interview with Junichi Masuda and the rest of the development team has stated "Manhattan of New York is Isshu's motif". [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif]

:::While the largest of its cities, Hiun City, draws heavily on the densely-populated area of Lower Manhattan, to the north, rather than more cityscape, a vast desert lies. To the west and east, there are great mountains, as well, and rather than urban areas, aside from Hiun, most of Isshu is decidedly rural."

:::Give me a few minutes.

:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I guess the neutrality will suffice for me. We'll agree to disagree on the basing of Isshu, so I'll leave the remainder of this debate to anyone else wanting to pick it up. I think it's important to note though that even if Isshu isn't based on NYC, certain areas in the region are still linguistically based off their Manhattan counterparts. So NYC does at least play a role in Isshu's basing to SOME extent, which in my opinion presupposes the Isshu = New York argument.[[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Marlowe, the motif of Isshu is New York. That means the '''theme''' (hey look, a synonym :D) of Isshu is New York. So of course it would maintain the things that make New York recognizable. The bridges, Huin city and the similar coastline are all there for a reason. Its all for maintaining the '''theme''' of New York.
:::::But I'm not debating the basis of Isshu here.
:::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 15:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Let me get this straight. You admit that Hiun City has many things that New York has, even has a New York theme, but you REFUSE to believe that Isshu is based on New York and are crusading that New York is simply the motif, even going to so far as to assume that the real world and the Pokemon world are interchangeable, when Hoenn has proven they aren't?--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 17:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, hey Ryuu! Nice to see you on Bulbapedia.
:::::::I refuse to believe things that aren't facts.
:::::::Fact: New York is Isshu's motif. (Confirmed by Junichi Masuda on both Game Freak's official blog and in the interview posted on Nintendo.Co.Jp)
:::::::Assumption: OMFG! That means Isshu is New York! OMG!1!
:::::::Fact: Motif means "theme".
:::::::Fact: Hoenn, when it's basis of Kyushu was confirmed, used the Japanese word for "stage".
:::::::Fact: Isshu, when the interview was first shown in PokePia, was confirmed to use the English word "motif".
:::::::Fact: Basis and Motif mean two separate things.
:::::::Fact: This page used the assumption that Motif means Basis.
:::::::Fact: Motif does not mean Basis.
:::::::My thoughts: If Junichi Masuda used the word "motif" and meant "basis", why wouldn't he use the same word he used when he revealed the basis (stage) of Hoenn to be Kyushu? The fact that he used the English word "motif" should prove he knew what he was talking about. That means that Mr. Masuda meant the word "Motif"!

:::::::So yes, I admit that Huin City has many things New York has. I never denied that Isshu uses New York as a theme. I do deny the assumption that, because Isshu uses New York as a theme, Isshu ''is'' New York.

:::::::Frankly, Ryuu, unless Junichi Masuda comes out and makes a blog saying "Yeah, we used Manhattan as the stage of Isshu", we should keep the facts straight and in the open. The fact is "We used New York as the motif of Isshu". Nothing to be taken any other way. Motif does not mean Model/Basis/Stage. It should not be taken any other way than the definition of Motif. And it should be allowed to discuss Isshu being based somewhere else because we do not have confirmation from Game Freak or Nintendo of where Isshu is based.

:::::::Am I making sense?

:::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::To be fair, Mackinz, none of the regions are synonymous with their real-life counterparts. Johto isn't Kansai, Hoenn isn't Kyushu, Sinnoh isn't Hokkaido, etc. They're simply based on them. While it's true Masuda used the term "motif" when describing Isshu, his context doesn't exactly set it apart as a mutually exclusive term from basis. For example, we know for certain that specific areas derive inspiration from areas in NYC in the EXACT same way other regions have a basis of specific cities and buildings in their counterparts, so I think we can safely say we have enough evidence to qualify New York being the equivalent of Isshu as Kansai, for example, is the equivalent of Johto. You're correct in saying the definitions motif and basis aren't the same, but they do have similar enough contexts in the case of comparing each region's confirmed area inspirations. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll give you that, Marlowe. But still, it is not a safe assumption at this time to assume that Isshu is New York (and it is still open because of the New York motif being able to explain a lot). So can we leave it at that? I don't have time right now to debate and argue with you. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::To quote a great U.S. President, "It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is." No one's saying Isshu "is" New York. We're saying it's "based on" New York. Which is true, given that motifs from New York such as the coastline, bridges, diverse culture, and lower Manhattan drive the composition of the region. You keep insisting that motif doesn't mean basis, but what do we mean when we refer to the basis of other regions? We mean that they include motifs of the real-world counterparts, including the coastline, landmarks, and cultures. Really, there's nothing separating Isshu's basis from the other regions', besides the fact that Game Freak was somewhat more open to breaks from reality (and why shouldn't they be? Unlike with previous regions, the main game staff did not include anyone native to New York, unlike with previous games.). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys, please quit it with the arguing. Isshu is based on New York, and there's really absolutely no arguing this. The context of the interview as a whole makes it clear that Isshu is the New York as Hoenn is to Kyushu, Johto is the Kansai, etc. The nuances you're arguing really aren't present, and if they are, it's not enough to sway Bulbapedia's scale of "what makes X based on Y." So shut up and stop arguing, or else you are subject to a temporary block for insubordination. Thanks. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Outdated Notice?==

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Is this article really outdated or is this just one of the spams. I'm going to remove it but if it isn't please put it back for me. ([[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 14:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC))
:Yeah, it is outdated. Black and White have been released and the article needs to start looking like other region's pages now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

i updated this to the format like the other regions and it was removed!--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:No you didn't. You replaced content with stuff that was already lower on the page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== New Map of isshu. ==

http://up3.viploader.net/game/src/vlgame026784.jpg

It is isshu map of the ANIME version. It confirmed it by 001 stories. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:Good idea, but could you find a better picture?--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 15:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::I obtained this image by chance. I'm sorry for being not able to offer a high-quality image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I would add it.--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== A guess on Etymology ==
Well I'll get the silly one out of the way: *'''Un'''*ited States *'''of A'''*merica. It makes me think of general Japanese style shortening like *'''Poke'''*tto *'''Mon'''*suta. I knew the region was based on USA, so I figured the localization was done since it's a "home turf" based decision like how the Japanese regions stayed untouched. I was expecting the other localizations to use Unova, but my guess on the method sort of works for the others. The following are what respective speakers call USA. French: États-*'''Unis'''* (Unys) German: Ver*'''ein'''*igte Staaten (Einall) My stab in of "ein" is probably improper but it does mean one, and "all" may be aus*'''ahl'''*. I've come across "allein" which can refer to "single". Italian: Stati *'''Uni'''*ti d'America (Unima). The "ma" may refer to ris*'''ma'''*. I'm lost with the Spanish localization, I don't see any links at all. "United" is fairly enough though, since a literal USA basis is silly, but hey it works haha. I'm not going to bother comparing decisions made with Orre. [[User:Deadpool|Deadpool]] 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Somehow I REALLY doubt it comes from United States of America. It's just too much of a stretch to assume NoA cherry picked syllables and letters from the location's basis when that's never been done before, even in the Japanese games. I think it's just derived from the meaning it has in Japanese, "one variety". Uno, one, and -va, for variety. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I actually doubt they'll say what it stands for (if it even is an acronym of something). No one can say for sure and all we can do is just speculate which provides no real evidence. Maybe this should be a forum topic to further discuss on on what people can guess the name stands for? - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bridges ==

In an interview on G4tv.com, Junichi Masuda expressed his fascination with bridges, especially the Golden Gate bridge which closes resembles some of the bridges in Unova; would this be worth adding to the Trivia? I don't know how to add a reference. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 13:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be relevant to put in one of the bridge articles, like Sky Arrow. I would wait for a higher up to aprove though. as for the references, i'm not sure either. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]]19:40, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Alternative region translation? ==

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but here goes...

I was looking in my local GAME store (London, UK) today when I noticed the following on a display box: "Explore the new region of Alleos, and save it from the nefarious plans of Team Plasma. The Alleos region also contains two version-exclusive areas depending on which version of Pokémon the player owns - White Forest and Black City". However, both the Nintendo of Europe and GAME UK websites use Unova. Has anyone else seen this region name, or does anyone know of an explanation for it? It wasn't just on one box either, I checked several (and got some odd looks from the shop staff)
[[User:Imair|Imair]] 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=95403 This has already been discussed on the forums.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unova trivia ==

Should it be stated that Unova is the first region name not to have a long o sound? --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's already there. Look again. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Doesn't that depend on how you pronounce it? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It's pronounced (you-nuh-vuh) in the English version. --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: I pronounce it (u-nOva), but that doesn't mean either of us are right. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Snivy was referring to how it's pronounced in the Anime, in which case it would be "you-nuh-vuh." [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Like Gliscorguy54 said, no one is either right. Not even the anime. Anybody can pronounce it however they want to. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Oh I know. :P [[M12|I know that all too well...]]. I just thought their source should be mentioned. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::The official pronunciation is the official pronunciation, it wasn't how I was saying it till I saw BW001 but I know now that I was wrong and it is in fact (you-nuh-vuh) (if that's how you want pronounced spelling as (doesn't matter)) "Note that all Bulbapedia's information must come from official sources" - the anime is pretty official in my book —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 23:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't watch the anime. I'm not going to let the anime dictate how I should pronounce every names in the Pokemon fandom. Sorry. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::All I mean is that it's our job to relay the official details for readers. not decide how to pronounce things and the official line is (you-nuh-vuh), say it how you like I was saying it the previously assumed way too but I prefer it the new way (it just never occurred to me). the anime is an official source weather you watch it or not, the trivia still stands —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 03:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::Even the most recent Black and White version commercials in North America pronounce it (you-nuh-vuh)--[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 04:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hate to break it to you, but the anime is dubbed by TPCi, the company that gives the games their English names. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the official pronunciation. Not to mention that's how it is pronounced in the Black and White promos. It's official, No Ifs Ands or Butts. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==Locked==
Why is the Unova article locked?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier ==

Isn't it wrong to say that Unova is the only region without a battle frontier as a battle frontier always comes in the 3rd version of the game("Grey")? [[User:Icy|Icy]] 18:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it isn't wrong to say that because the third version hasn't even been out or even confirmed. Just wait till we get an official confirmation, which'll take several years. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::Orre would like to say hello :P [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::It is the only main series region. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to this website, Orre is also a main series region. Console alone doesn't determine if a game is main series or not.

== Location? ==

Does anyone know where Unova is located, like North of Hoenn, or East of Johto? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 02:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:It's location from the other main series regions is not yet known. All we know for sure is that it is FAR away from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. My best guess would be that it is both east and west of the other regions, just like how the United States (or NYC in this case) is both east and west. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Castelia population ==

Shouldn't it be unknown? Endless people walk up and down the streets in some areas. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:The population of Castelia is static people only. The endless people are excluded. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Contest in the Trivia ==

Could/Should I add this in the trivia? (I never edited once so...)
:Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.

== Contest in the Trivia ==

Could/Should I add this in the trivia? (I never edited once so...)
:Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.
So would I?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 14:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Unova

2011-12-07T14:02:42Z

Taposa: /* Contest in the Trivia */ new section

== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==Just throwing it out there Part 2==

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more factual evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also re-edited the Isshu page. Disregarding my own personal opinion on the matter, we can't say for a fact that Isshu is NOT explicitly based on New York. "Drawing inspiration" will suffice for now. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You want me to explain Marlowe? Fine. I'll make it as simple as possible.

:Anything not geographical (elevation of land, coastline) is part of the base. Everything else (climate, buildings, road, people) is part of the motif of the area.

:Take Hoenn for example: Hoenn obviously has a tropical motif going for it. However, the climate is much different from that of Kyushu in real life. So we cannot say that Kyushu was the inspiration (basis) for the climate. That would be regulated to the motif.

:Take also the difference in population of Hoenn and Kyushu: Hoenn has way less population. Since it doesn't maintain the population, the population does not remain part of the basis. It becomes part of the motif (I.E. the low population combined with the tropical feel makes it feel like a loosely populated tropical island which, obviously, Kyushu is not).

:Now, onto buildings: Buildings are determined and built by the people living there. They also escalate the motif of the area (I.E. Fortree's Tree Houses add to the tropical feel). Since there are also a lot less buildings (similar to population), we cannot say that buildings are part of the basis because, if they did, the entire Hoenn region would not feel like a tropical island, it would feel like a city-locked island.

:Now think about it, replacing Hoenn with Isshu.

:Going to change the page back now.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just twisting the meaning of basis to match your own interpretation. No, it does not have to be solely geography-based; according to the very definition of BASIS, Isshu's Sky Arrow Bridge is BASED on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It is the foundation for it, the fundamental groundwork. Stop trying to circumvent that. As for my re-editing the Isshu page, I'm trying to at least set up a middle ground between you and I here. Unless Masuda came right out and said, "No, Isshu is not based on New York" you can't say for certain that it isn't. We both know that it at least exists as some form of inspiration. It is unnecessary and downright misleading to add any more to the page than the "drawing inspiration" bit. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You still don't understand the meaning of motif, model, stage and basis, huh?

:Didn't I tell you to get a dictionary?

:Ah well. I'll just define them for you.

:MOTIF

:1. (5) motif, motive

:(a design or figure that consists of recurring shapes or colors, as in architecture or decoration)
:2. (1) motif, motive

:(a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music)
:3. (1) theme, motif

:(a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"

:If that isn't enough, I'll bring out some more definitions for you.

:MODEL

:1. (19) model, theoretical account, framework

:(a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; "the computer program was based on a model of the circulatory and respiratory systems")
:2. (11) model

:(a type of product; "his car was an old model")
:3. (6) model, poser

:(a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos")
:4. (4) model, simulation

:(representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale))
:5. (3) exemplar, example, model, good example

:(something to be imitated; "an exemplar of success"; "a model of clarity"; "he is the very model of a modern major general")
:6. (1) model, role model

:(someone worthy of imitation; "every child needs a role model")
:7. (1) model, example

:(a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example")
:8. mannequin, manikin, mannikin, manakin, fashion model, model

:(a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; "she was too fat to be a mannequin")
:9. model, modelling, modeling

:(the act of representing something (usually on a smaller scale))

:BASIS

:1. (38) footing, basis, ground

:(a relation that provides the foundation for something; "they were on a friendly footing"; "he worked on an interim basis")
:2. (28) basis, base, foundation, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone

:(the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture")
:3. basis, base

:(the most important or necessary part of something; "the basis of this drink is orange juice")

:STAGE

:1. (25) phase, stage

:(any distinct time period in a sequence of events; "we are in a transitional stage in which many former ideas must be revised or rejected")
:2. (18) degree, level, stage, point

:(a specific identifiable position in a continuum or series or especially in a process; "a remarkable degree of frankness"; "at what stage are the social sciences?")
:3. (15) stage

:(a large platform on which people can stand and can be seen by an audience; "he clambered up onto the stage and got the actors to help him into the box")
:4. (6) stage

:(the theater as a profession (usually `the stage'); "an early movie simply showed a long kiss by two actors of the contemporary stage")
:5. (2) stagecoach, stage

:(a large coach-and-four formerly used to carry passengers and mail on regular routes between towns; "we went out of town together by stage about ten or twelve miles")
:6. (2) stage, leg

:(a section or portion of a journey or course; "then we embarked on the second stage of our Caribbean cruise")
:7. (1) stage

:(any scene regarded as a setting for exhibiting or doing something; "All the world's a stage"
:8. stage, microscope stage

:(a small platform on a microscope where the specimen is mounted for examination)

:You do remember that Junichi Masuda has said nothing more than "motif", correct? Now, if he '''meant''' something else, don't you think he would use the Japanese word for stage (like he did for Hoenn and Kyushu) instead of the ENGLISH word, motif?

:The fact is, no matter how you read it, Junichi Masuda and the Development team of the Pokemon series have confirmed that New York is Isshu's motif. They have not confirmed anything beyond that. For all we know, it could be explicitly based on New York. '''However''', at this point, it would be an '''assumption''' which is what I've been trying to get rid of since I started this section. ''Everyone assumes'' that New York is the basis of Isshu. ''It is confirmed'' ,not an assumption, that Isshu draws decorative inspiration (a.k.a. motif) from New York. '''''Nothing beyond that is confirmed'''''. If you continue to edit the Isshu page, I will ask Archaic to do something.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the page to maintain the same words but also to make it known that we do not know if he meant "not explicitly based off of New York". Happy? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're being very unreasonable. I'll say this again. Strictly in terms of my editing the page, I'm not even claiming that Isshu is based on New York -- I'm only leaving it at the simple fact that Isshu draws inspiration from it. However, you cannot say that it isn't explicitly based on NYC because you don't know for certain whether it's based on it or not. You've clarified before that you're only trying to use the facts instead of common speculation. I agree, but the page revision shouldn't go from "Isshu is based on Manhattan, New York" to "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York but is not explicitly based on New York". Rather, leaving it at "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York" is much more accurate to Masuda's statement and not only sets up a reasonable middle ground between us, it also agrees with your original intention to change the article. EDIT: I suppose that's good enough, though I still find it slightly unnecessary.

::And please, cut the "LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY" crap. I've checked the dictionary and in the case of Brooklyn Bridge, the terms 'motif' and 'basis' are not mutually exclusive. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm working with the wording of the first paragraph (to include the word motif) as we speak. However, I did already edit in

:::"Like prior regions, its general layout and coastline is based upon a real-world location. It is not known where it is based exactly, but an interview with Junichi Masuda and the rest of the development team has stated "Manhattan of New York is Isshu's motif". [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif]

:::While the largest of its cities, Hiun City, draws heavily on the densely-populated area of Lower Manhattan, to the north, rather than more cityscape, a vast desert lies. To the west and east, there are great mountains, as well, and rather than urban areas, aside from Hiun, most of Isshu is decidedly rural."

:::Give me a few minutes.

:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I guess the neutrality will suffice for me. We'll agree to disagree on the basing of Isshu, so I'll leave the remainder of this debate to anyone else wanting to pick it up. I think it's important to note though that even if Isshu isn't based on NYC, certain areas in the region are still linguistically based off their Manhattan counterparts. So NYC does at least play a role in Isshu's basing to SOME extent, which in my opinion presupposes the Isshu = New York argument.[[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Marlowe, the motif of Isshu is New York. That means the '''theme''' (hey look, a synonym :D) of Isshu is New York. So of course it would maintain the things that make New York recognizable. The bridges, Huin city and the similar coastline are all there for a reason. Its all for maintaining the '''theme''' of New York.
:::::But I'm not debating the basis of Isshu here.
:::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 15:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Let me get this straight. You admit that Hiun City has many things that New York has, even has a New York theme, but you REFUSE to believe that Isshu is based on New York and are crusading that New York is simply the motif, even going to so far as to assume that the real world and the Pokemon world are interchangeable, when Hoenn has proven they aren't?--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 17:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, hey Ryuu! Nice to see you on Bulbapedia.
:::::::I refuse to believe things that aren't facts.
:::::::Fact: New York is Isshu's motif. (Confirmed by Junichi Masuda on both Game Freak's official blog and in the interview posted on Nintendo.Co.Jp)
:::::::Assumption: OMFG! That means Isshu is New York! OMG!1!
:::::::Fact: Motif means "theme".
:::::::Fact: Hoenn, when it's basis of Kyushu was confirmed, used the Japanese word for "stage".
:::::::Fact: Isshu, when the interview was first shown in PokePia, was confirmed to use the English word "motif".
:::::::Fact: Basis and Motif mean two separate things.
:::::::Fact: This page used the assumption that Motif means Basis.
:::::::Fact: Motif does not mean Basis.
:::::::My thoughts: If Junichi Masuda used the word "motif" and meant "basis", why wouldn't he use the same word he used when he revealed the basis (stage) of Hoenn to be Kyushu? The fact that he used the English word "motif" should prove he knew what he was talking about. That means that Mr. Masuda meant the word "Motif"!

:::::::So yes, I admit that Huin City has many things New York has. I never denied that Isshu uses New York as a theme. I do deny the assumption that, because Isshu uses New York as a theme, Isshu ''is'' New York.

:::::::Frankly, Ryuu, unless Junichi Masuda comes out and makes a blog saying "Yeah, we used Manhattan as the stage of Isshu", we should keep the facts straight and in the open. The fact is "We used New York as the motif of Isshu". Nothing to be taken any other way. Motif does not mean Model/Basis/Stage. It should not be taken any other way than the definition of Motif. And it should be allowed to discuss Isshu being based somewhere else because we do not have confirmation from Game Freak or Nintendo of where Isshu is based.

:::::::Am I making sense?

:::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::To be fair, Mackinz, none of the regions are synonymous with their real-life counterparts. Johto isn't Kansai, Hoenn isn't Kyushu, Sinnoh isn't Hokkaido, etc. They're simply based on them. While it's true Masuda used the term "motif" when describing Isshu, his context doesn't exactly set it apart as a mutually exclusive term from basis. For example, we know for certain that specific areas derive inspiration from areas in NYC in the EXACT same way other regions have a basis of specific cities and buildings in their counterparts, so I think we can safely say we have enough evidence to qualify New York being the equivalent of Isshu as Kansai, for example, is the equivalent of Johto. You're correct in saying the definitions motif and basis aren't the same, but they do have similar enough contexts in the case of comparing each region's confirmed area inspirations. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll give you that, Marlowe. But still, it is not a safe assumption at this time to assume that Isshu is New York (and it is still open because of the New York motif being able to explain a lot). So can we leave it at that? I don't have time right now to debate and argue with you. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::To quote a great U.S. President, "It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is." No one's saying Isshu "is" New York. We're saying it's "based on" New York. Which is true, given that motifs from New York such as the coastline, bridges, diverse culture, and lower Manhattan drive the composition of the region. You keep insisting that motif doesn't mean basis, but what do we mean when we refer to the basis of other regions? We mean that they include motifs of the real-world counterparts, including the coastline, landmarks, and cultures. Really, there's nothing separating Isshu's basis from the other regions', besides the fact that Game Freak was somewhat more open to breaks from reality (and why shouldn't they be? Unlike with previous regions, the main game staff did not include anyone native to New York, unlike with previous games.). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys, please quit it with the arguing. Isshu is based on New York, and there's really absolutely no arguing this. The context of the interview as a whole makes it clear that Isshu is the New York as Hoenn is to Kyushu, Johto is the Kansai, etc. The nuances you're arguing really aren't present, and if they are, it's not enough to sway Bulbapedia's scale of "what makes X based on Y." So shut up and stop arguing, or else you are subject to a temporary block for insubordination. Thanks. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Outdated Notice?==

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Is this article really outdated or is this just one of the spams. I'm going to remove it but if it isn't please put it back for me. ([[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 14:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC))
:Yeah, it is outdated. Black and White have been released and the article needs to start looking like other region's pages now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

i updated this to the format like the other regions and it was removed!--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:No you didn't. You replaced content with stuff that was already lower on the page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== New Map of isshu. ==

http://up3.viploader.net/game/src/vlgame026784.jpg

It is isshu map of the ANIME version. It confirmed it by 001 stories. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:Good idea, but could you find a better picture?--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 15:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::I obtained this image by chance. I'm sorry for being not able to offer a high-quality image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I would add it.--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== A guess on Etymology ==
Well I'll get the silly one out of the way: *'''Un'''*ited States *'''of A'''*merica. It makes me think of general Japanese style shortening like *'''Poke'''*tto *'''Mon'''*suta. I knew the region was based on USA, so I figured the localization was done since it's a "home turf" based decision like how the Japanese regions stayed untouched. I was expecting the other localizations to use Unova, but my guess on the method sort of works for the others. The following are what respective speakers call USA. French: États-*'''Unis'''* (Unys) German: Ver*'''ein'''*igte Staaten (Einall) My stab in of "ein" is probably improper but it does mean one, and "all" may be aus*'''ahl'''*. I've come across "allein" which can refer to "single". Italian: Stati *'''Uni'''*ti d'America (Unima). The "ma" may refer to ris*'''ma'''*. I'm lost with the Spanish localization, I don't see any links at all. "United" is fairly enough though, since a literal USA basis is silly, but hey it works haha. I'm not going to bother comparing decisions made with Orre. [[User:Deadpool|Deadpool]] 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Somehow I REALLY doubt it comes from United States of America. It's just too much of a stretch to assume NoA cherry picked syllables and letters from the location's basis when that's never been done before, even in the Japanese games. I think it's just derived from the meaning it has in Japanese, "one variety". Uno, one, and -va, for variety. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I actually doubt they'll say what it stands for (if it even is an acronym of something). No one can say for sure and all we can do is just speculate which provides no real evidence. Maybe this should be a forum topic to further discuss on on what people can guess the name stands for? - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bridges ==

In an interview on G4tv.com, Junichi Masuda expressed his fascination with bridges, especially the Golden Gate bridge which closes resembles some of the bridges in Unova; would this be worth adding to the Trivia? I don't know how to add a reference. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 13:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be relevant to put in one of the bridge articles, like Sky Arrow. I would wait for a higher up to aprove though. as for the references, i'm not sure either. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]]19:40, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Alternative region translation? ==

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but here goes...

I was looking in my local GAME store (London, UK) today when I noticed the following on a display box: "Explore the new region of Alleos, and save it from the nefarious plans of Team Plasma. The Alleos region also contains two version-exclusive areas depending on which version of Pokémon the player owns - White Forest and Black City". However, both the Nintendo of Europe and GAME UK websites use Unova. Has anyone else seen this region name, or does anyone know of an explanation for it? It wasn't just on one box either, I checked several (and got some odd looks from the shop staff)
[[User:Imair|Imair]] 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=95403 This has already been discussed on the forums.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unova trivia ==

Should it be stated that Unova is the first region name not to have a long o sound? --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's already there. Look again. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Doesn't that depend on how you pronounce it? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It's pronounced (you-nuh-vuh) in the English version. --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: I pronounce it (u-nOva), but that doesn't mean either of us are right. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Snivy was referring to how it's pronounced in the Anime, in which case it would be "you-nuh-vuh." [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Like Gliscorguy54 said, no one is either right. Not even the anime. Anybody can pronounce it however they want to. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Oh I know. :P [[M12|I know that all too well...]]. I just thought their source should be mentioned. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::The official pronunciation is the official pronunciation, it wasn't how I was saying it till I saw BW001 but I know now that I was wrong and it is in fact (you-nuh-vuh) (if that's how you want pronounced spelling as (doesn't matter)) "Note that all Bulbapedia's information must come from official sources" - the anime is pretty official in my book —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 23:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't watch the anime. I'm not going to let the anime dictate how I should pronounce every names in the Pokemon fandom. Sorry. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::All I mean is that it's our job to relay the official details for readers. not decide how to pronounce things and the official line is (you-nuh-vuh), say it how you like I was saying it the previously assumed way too but I prefer it the new way (it just never occurred to me). the anime is an official source weather you watch it or not, the trivia still stands —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 03:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::Even the most recent Black and White version commercials in North America pronounce it (you-nuh-vuh)--[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 04:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hate to break it to you, but the anime is dubbed by TPCi, the company that gives the games their English names. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the official pronunciation. Not to mention that's how it is pronounced in the Black and White promos. It's official, No Ifs Ands or Butts. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==Locked==
Why is the Unova article locked?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier ==

Isn't it wrong to say that Unova is the only region without a battle frontier as a battle frontier always comes in the 3rd version of the game("Grey")? [[User:Icy|Icy]] 18:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it isn't wrong to say that because the third version hasn't even been out or even confirmed. Just wait till we get an official confirmation, which'll take several years. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::Orre would like to say hello :P [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::It is the only main series region. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to this website, Orre is also a main series region. Console alone doesn't determine if a game is main series or not.

== Location? ==

Does anyone know where Unova is located, like North of Hoenn, or East of Johto? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 02:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:It's location from the other main series regions is not yet known. All we know for sure is that it is FAR away from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. My best guess would be that it is both east and west of the other regions, just like how the United States (or NYC in this case) is both east and west. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Castelia population ==

Shouldn't it be unknown? Endless people walk up and down the streets in some areas. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:The population of Castelia is static people only. The endless people are excluded. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Contest in the Trivia ==

Could/Should I add this in the trivia? (I never edited once so...)
:Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.

Talk:Ditto (Pokémon)

2011-12-07T13:43:06Z

Taposa: /* One Move only? */

==Egg group==
I'm pretty sure Ditto's in the No Egg group. While it can breed with any Pokémon besides those in the No Egg group, it cannot breed with another Ditto, implying that it is, itself, in the No Egg group. -[[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]]

Ditto is in a special egg group called "DITTO" (you know how the game likes to use all-caps for Pokemon names). This group allows it to breed with anything other than a Pokemon in the "No EGGs" group or the "DITTO" group. This is what allows Ditto to breed with Pikachu or Staryu, but Suicune can't breed with other Pokemon. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

I thought you could breed two Ditto and get another Ditto. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 23:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nope. Stupidly. ~Ketz

Ditto is able to breed with other Pokémon ostensibly because of its ability to transform into other Pokémon. If it was paired with another Ditto, it wouldn't have anything to transform into, and since Ditto are genderless, would therefore have no reproductive organs.

Makes perfect sense to me that two purplish-pink blobs can't mate with each other. --17:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Ozzie

Does that mean that Ditto can breed with Lucario?[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 03:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:Anything but legendaries means anything but legendaries. Lucario isn't legendary. Therefore, ''of course''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

::Er Thanks...[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 08:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

didnt in in the II gen games if you put Ditto in the day care by itself turn into two dittos (most likely because it duplicated like a cell)--[[User:Kittenchild|Kittenchild]] 02:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

So I can't have a Lvl.1 Ditto? [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In the same note of discussion, how was the Steps to Hatch a Ditto Egg reached? Hack?
:The data's in there for all Pokémon just in case you ''somehow'' (usually hacking) manage to make an egg of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 07:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Hmmm..... ==

Ditto in the [[Anime]] could morph into any other pokemonn but keeps it size in some cases , but in the TCG it keeps its beaded eyes , that just makes wonder , can the [[Pokémon]] that ditto morphs to in the TCG be exceptions or special forms?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think so...D: Not sure... *is currently in Science-ICT class at school* [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 12:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

i think the info above should be mentioned in the trivia about the beaded eyes. to be honest nintendo shoud confirm this--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Though worthless to do, can't u breed 2 Dittos and get another Ditto?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

:No. You cannot breed a Ditto with a Ditto. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Really... interesting--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It's confusing, but it makes vague sense since Ditto has no gender. Remember, non-gendered Pokémon can't be bred, even with Ditto...it's "Unknown"-gendered Pokémon (Magnemite etc.) that can. Ditto has a unique egg type as well, we assume it breeds with everything except itself and None. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

While not made true in the games or implied in other sources: Considering its physical structure, does anyone else think that Ditto reproduces asexually? -- [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 18:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:It probably does, but since no official sources imply or otherwise indicate this, it doesn't belong in the article. It's pure speculation, and it's just as plausible that a fixed number of Ditto were created by Arceus at the beginning or time, and they lie dormant until bothered in the tall grasses. Or maybe Dittos are actually single cells from Mew's body that have grown much larger. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::That... actually makes perfect sense. It would explain why the both of them can use Transform while no other pokemon can...[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Learn every move ==

Can't ditto learn every move with its move transform?[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 00:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:But since it doesn't keep the move permanently, it doesn't go under the Learnset section. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 00:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok i was just wondering[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 14:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm guessing that means the Rage cheat doesn't count? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:46, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:Cheats and glitches don't count. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:51, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Color ==

Sould it be noted that, in all sprites exept Gen. 3 Ditto's color is purple, but in its Gen. 3 sprite it's pink ? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 15:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

no cos to me it looks pink all time and in Yellow it Yellowy-green.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

It is purple in it's sprites except for the 3rd generation, however it may be less of a colour difference and more of a shade difference [[User:Bioness|Bioness]] 13:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)Bioness

== Buggy Moves ==
In my Pokemon Diamond game, I was using Ditto to catch Pokemon. After using transform on and catching a Primape, combat ended with Ditto still looking like Primape (duh). After that I got into another wild battle and Ditto was Ditto again, but with Primape's moveset. I am making an assumption that you can potentially make Ditto a permanent clone move-wise this way, anyone want to experiment? [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 21:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

never happed to me and my ditto, if was a bug in your game then you are lucky.
and what do mean experiment? I can experiment.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:Wha? I've heard of this happening... was this a Japanese game or the international release? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry for the stupidly late reply, I don't visit here much (obviously). Anyway, the description I left above is still accurate. It has been traded between several players, gained over 30 levels in daycare, gone back and forth over Wi-fi, and been used in many battles since I originally left this message, yet it still knows the Primeape's moves. It has not effected or hampered my breeding at all, either. In fact, I bred that same Primeape with the Ditto to get a Mankey later on.
::I own the US version of Pokemon Diamond (purchased at my local Gamestop).
::The Primeape in question was caught with an Ultra Ball and caught on Route 225 (of course) if anyone wants to experiment with this. Basically, go into any battle with your Ditto, use transform, and then catch the Pokemon you transformed into while Ditto is still your active Pokemon. Then, check Ditto's moves to see if they have changed. If they haven't, try it a few more times and see if it works. Also, I am pretty sure my Ditto was holding Quick Powder at the time as well.
::Ditto right now knows whatever moves a level 52 Primeape knows, which off the top of my head are Cross Chop, Rage, Swagger, and Thrash. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Forgot to mention, I own no cheating devices nor do I have access to them. and my entire game is legitimately played. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

something like that happened to me but i found out how to fix it using a move deletor then going underground and finding a heart scale then using a move tutor [[User:Leftywright|Leftywright]] 23:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== if a shiny ditto Transforms will it Transform in a shiny whatever==
if it don,t then saud be in the page [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:It did, but won't anymore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

cool, when did it solp[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Gen IV is the first game where it becomes, shiny or not, whatever it turned into. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

==Title==
The Transform Paradox: I changed the title because this example is not actually a paradox. A paradox is an extended contradiction, this is not. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:True, yes, however, a paradox is also an infinite time loop that self-contradicts. The contradiction here comes in the never-lowering PP of Transform for both Pokémon, remaining locked at 5. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
There is no contradiction in this at all. Both using Transform is nothing more than a deadlock. An infinite time loop the self-contradicts would be going back in time to kill your grandfather and succeeding. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:I have a question, does this only apply with two ditto, because mew can transform and can learn other moves. Because it seems to me that only Transform the move is copied, but I thought transform copies all the other Pokemon's moves, so wouldn't a match up between a mew and a ditto (as long as Mew has other moves) be an exception? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 09:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::It works if Mew Transforms into something with only Transform. Say you have a Mew with Transform and Psychic. Psychic has 10 PP. You're facing the exact same Mew. You use Transform. Both Transform and Psychic have 5 PP apiece. You can use all 5 Psychics you have now, then Transform and the PP will be at 5 again. It only locks you in if you have only Transform. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 11:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::: Right that's what I meant, the locking, not the transform reseting the PP. Okay good to know.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 20:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Regarding that...in my Crystal, my Ditto battled a wild Ditto. My Ditto constantly transformed, but the wild one kept having its Transform for no reason whatsoever. As a result, Struggle came about... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

==Shiny Ditto Glitch==
What the F...lareon happened to the glitch to get a shiny ditto in G/S using R/B, if no one knows what I'm talking about here's how (altough it's old and I think you all know):

1 Capture the shiny Gyarados in G/S and ransfer it to R/B
2 Teach Gyarados Mimic and erase all his other moves
3 Battle a wild Ditto with the Gyarados, mimic him and transform a few turns while it transforms
4 Capture the Ditto and transfer it to G/S it will be shiny

Notes: I'm not sure if it's a requirement but all of the times I used the Pokémon Stadium 2 (For both transfer and Doduo GB).

Sorry I don't have a video or anything but try it out, I didn't directly affect the article but I'll edit it if no one answers this in 10 days.
--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 06:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:The egg's a glitch, that's how breeding worked in Generation II. See [[Pokémon Breeding#Trivia|the last part of the trivia]]. You just got lucky because of you got a shiny Charmander. And I think the shiny Ditto trick is also mentioned somewhere. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The glitch has nothing to do with the Shiny Charmander I only wrote that to reference but since I confused you I'll delete it.--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 16:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ben 10 in Trivia ==

''An alien in the television series Ben 10 shares a name with Ditto. However, unlike the Pokémon, the alien Ditto can simply multiply, and gets its name when two of them say the exact same thing at the exact same time.'' Don't tell me this belongs in the article. Ben 10 has absolutely nothing to do with Ditto. I don't want to start a revert war, however. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:To be honest, it's not surprising that the name "Ditto" is used, since it's not Pokémon specific...'''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 11:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
== Ditto Breeding ==
Ok. all up and down this talk page (and on the Gender one) it says Ditto can't breed with Ditto. And yet, I'VE DONE IT! In both FR and Pearl (Don't ask me to remember GSC, cause I don't, and I didn't have 2 dits in Ruby or Sapph, and never owned LG, Emerald, or Diamond) Either whoever failed has a dfective game, or I do. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 19:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:Plz to be proving this with a YouTube video proving that no Action Replaying was involved. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
You're very lucky. But I agree with TTEchidna, please at least provide some video proof if you ever manage to do it again.--[[User:Project Harbinger|Project Harbinger]] 14:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== One Move ==
Ditto isn't the only Pokemon that only learns one move, the same is true of Unown. {{unsigned|DrStubbsberg}}

Until Platinum, it was also true of Beldum. Smeargle also only learns one move, though it learns it up to 10 times. [[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 04:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Ditto can (or at least could) permanently learn other moves ==

I had to create an account just to point this out as I was very surprised not to already see it in the article. I remember doing this with my friends back with gold/silver (don't know if it works in further generations). Ditto can permanently learn ANY move. When I used my ditto on pokemon stadium, it listed his moves as red, indicating that ditto shouldn't have those moves and that it's an exploit, but I wouldn't think that would stop it from being noted. Here's how, in case you pokenuts don't already know (which you probably do):

Take a smeargle. Put it up against a pokemon with the move you want ditto to learn. Use sketch on the move so smeargle permanently learns it. Level smeargle enough so he learns sketch again. Make sure sketch is not in the first slot, because otherwise ditto will lose the ability to transform. (doens't stop the trick from working, just stops you from doing it again). Link up your cartidge with the smeargle on it (and in your party) to the cart with the ditto on it. This "records" the trainer's smeargle on the "ditto cart", so that the ditto can battle the smeargle. Make them battle. Have ditto use transform. When smeargle uses the move you want ditto to learn, use the copied sketch. Poof. Ditto permanently retains whatever move you want.

I had a ditto with horn drill, fissure, guillotine, and lock-on, which always came as a shock to opponents. (though not much of a challenge as he's so weak). Does this exploit belong in the article? Probably never going to post again, [[User:Farsight001|Farsight001]] 13:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's under glitches. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::The {{m|Sketch}} page states that it cannot be used when transformed, therefore this should not work. Does that statement there concern only Gen III and IV? If it does, it should be listed under Gen III and not directly under the Effect header. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 18:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Problem==
In the trivia section, on the point about Pokéthlon stats, you've written it's instead of its. {{unsigned|Mattiuscn}}
:Yeah. You can fix that in a month. Right now we're trying not to touch the pages too much. Makes it easier to fix things technologically later down the track. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== No Trainers use Ditto? ==

"This is likely why no Trainers have Ditto in the Generation IV games" - I can't verify this since I don't have any Gen IV games, but I recall a schoolboy on the Vermilion - Olivine leg of the S.S. Aqua journey in the original G/S/C who used a Ditto. I was wondering does this trainer still use Ditto or does he have a new party in HG/SS? --[[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 08:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:He still uses one. [[User:Saxton Hale|Saxton Hale]] 15:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Also on HGSS, a scientist in the team rocket souveneir shop hideout had a Ditto. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 07:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== How can it breed at all? ==

If Ditto is genderless, how is it able to breed at all? You would need a male and a female to complete the breeding process.--[[User:Project Harbinger|Project Harbinger]] 14:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I read something about asexual something something.. the thing is, I can't remember what it was exactly.. [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 18:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I have wondered this too because if anything ditto were to transform and it would copy that Pokemon exactly. So if you have a boy dragonite ditto would transform into a boy dragonite, and if it did try to turn its self into a girl wouldn't it just mess up. (just thinking logically don't hate) {{unsigned|Underdog114}}

== Transform affects experience gain? ==
A friend of mine claims that a Ditto will give more of less experience depending on what it Transforms into. Is this true? I sustain is isn't but I'm having a rotten time actually finding any Dittos to check. He claims this is in Emerald's Desert Underpass, if it affects any (I'm looking in HG). [[User:Vhazhiphor|Vhazhiphor]] 00:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Transform Paradox? ==

When I was playing in Emerald, I used a Ditto with a high speed to battle another Ditto, my Ditto used Transform first, then the enemy couldn't use it, because Pokémon can't Transform into already Transformed Pokémon, so I kept using Transform, which ultimately restored it's PP, and the enemy couldn't Transform. It eventually used Struggle, I kept using Hyper Potions, the enemy fainted, and I won. But, in that article, it says that the battle should last forever. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 20:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:According to the transform article it was made like that in Gen II. I've reworded it so that it now (correctly) only applies to Generation I. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Tickle ==

The pokedex says laughing makes it unable to hold its form. When you tickle someone, laughing is a natural reaction. But Tickle doesn't make it revert to its normal form. I tried to add this (someone else did too according to the page's history), but someone said that "nothing says ticking would make it laugh." I personally don't see how the move would have an effect then. What other point is there to tickling? Am I missing something? --[[User:LynnCreed|LynnCreed]] 20:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I dont think the actual move tickle should even have an effect

(and tickling is not the only way to make someone laugh) ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC))

I didn't say tickling is the only way to make someone laugh, I said laughing is the only natural reaction to tickling, so i think the comment is warranted in the trivia section. --[[User:LynnCreed|LynnCreed]] 16:08, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think so. Maybe Ditto just isn't ticklish. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:42, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::But i think one pokedex entry says that that it can't help but laugh when tickled, {{unsigned|Benboy803}}.

== Ditto and Mew ==

Ditto and Mew are pretty similar...

Weight: Both are 8.8lbs

Gender: Both Genderless (Yeah, probably insignificant)

Colour and Shiny Colouration: Both are naturally Pink and have Blue as their shiny colour

Transform: They both start with Transform

This might be a bit silly/weird but it's nice to note.

Perhaps we can add this to the Trivia, if not all then at least some?

--[[User:JasonTongRulz|♪ Jason Tong ♪]] 02:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

==Breeding==
If a ditto and a male blastoise were to breed would the squirtle that hatches get all stats from the dad even the ones that are usually obtained from the mom contact me http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Underdog114 {{unsigned|Underdog114}}

== Correct me if i'm wrong ==

Doesn't Ditto have the same cry as Poliwag?
{{u|Benboy803}}

== Zoroark and Ditto ==

If use Zoroark to battle Ditto, Ditto cant transform as long as Zoroark is in the illusion form. I encountered this in Pokemon Black while battling a wild one. My Zoroark was in the illusion form of Reshiram. The Ditto kept using transform but the game would say it failed. Curious I tried battling another Ditto with Zoroark in another illusion form and it still couldn't transform. My Zoroark is the one from the shiny legendary beast event. [[User:ZoroarkRuless11|ZoroarkRuless11]] 23:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
:That is quite interesting. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 23:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
::Although it is interesting, please don't add it as trivia. Thanks. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 23:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
:::There, added it to the Transform article, which is really the only place it needs to be. [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 23:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it should be added to the Transform, Ditto, and Zoroark because it affects all of them.{{unsigned|ZoroarkRuless11}}
:::::No, because Smeargle and Mew can also know Transform and Zorua can have Illusion, so it's not directly related to Zoroark or Ditto. And sign your comments with four tidles (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 14:03, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

== DQM ==

From what I see, Ditto's shiny form looks like a Slime, the mascot of one of Pokémon's competitors Dragon Monster Quest. The first DQM game was realeased in 1986, and shiny Pokémon were first introduced in 2000. Should this be noted? [[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]] 13:16, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

== One Move only? ==

Can Ditto learn a "temporary" move? My Ditto did a Struggle after being taunt. They said that he can't learn any move (except Transform). without cheats or glitch[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 13:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:Yup. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|皮卡丘]] [[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|兄弟]]
::Oh ok...It is weird being Struggle instead of Tackle or Headbutt ehehe...[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 13:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::{{m|Struggle}} is the default move Pokémon use when they run out of PP or are unable to use their other attacks. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 13:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::To elaborate: {{m|Taunt}} forces the opponent to only use attacking moves for {{tt|three turns|Two turns in Gen III and two to four turns in Gen IV}}. Since {{m|Transform}} is not an attacking move, it will be forced to {{m|Struggle}} if Taunted before it can Transform into another Pokémon or if all of its copied moves are non-attacking moves. Similarly, Ditto will also use Struggle if Transform is out of PP or if it has used up all the PP of the moves it has copied via Transform. It hasn't learned Struggle, it's simply being forced to use it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 13:40, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::::Oh ok. I thought before (Before 2011) Struggle can be permantly learn (and only). [[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 13:42, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Ditto (Pokémon)

2011-12-07T13:42:37Z

Taposa: /* One Move only? */

==Egg group==
I'm pretty sure Ditto's in the No Egg group. While it can breed with any Pokémon besides those in the No Egg group, it cannot breed with another Ditto, implying that it is, itself, in the No Egg group. -[[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]]

Ditto is in a special egg group called "DITTO" (you know how the game likes to use all-caps for Pokemon names). This group allows it to breed with anything other than a Pokemon in the "No EGGs" group or the "DITTO" group. This is what allows Ditto to breed with Pikachu or Staryu, but Suicune can't breed with other Pokemon. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

I thought you could breed two Ditto and get another Ditto. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 23:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nope. Stupidly. ~Ketz

Ditto is able to breed with other Pokémon ostensibly because of its ability to transform into other Pokémon. If it was paired with another Ditto, it wouldn't have anything to transform into, and since Ditto are genderless, would therefore have no reproductive organs.

Makes perfect sense to me that two purplish-pink blobs can't mate with each other. --17:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Ozzie

Does that mean that Ditto can breed with Lucario?[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 03:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:Anything but legendaries means anything but legendaries. Lucario isn't legendary. Therefore, ''of course''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

::Er Thanks...[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 08:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

didnt in in the II gen games if you put Ditto in the day care by itself turn into two dittos (most likely because it duplicated like a cell)--[[User:Kittenchild|Kittenchild]] 02:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

So I can't have a Lvl.1 Ditto? [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In the same note of discussion, how was the Steps to Hatch a Ditto Egg reached? Hack?
:The data's in there for all Pokémon just in case you ''somehow'' (usually hacking) manage to make an egg of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 07:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Hmmm..... ==

Ditto in the [[Anime]] could morph into any other pokemonn but keeps it size in some cases , but in the TCG it keeps its beaded eyes , that just makes wonder , can the [[Pokémon]] that ditto morphs to in the TCG be exceptions or special forms?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think so...D: Not sure... *is currently in Science-ICT class at school* [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 12:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

i think the info above should be mentioned in the trivia about the beaded eyes. to be honest nintendo shoud confirm this--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Though worthless to do, can't u breed 2 Dittos and get another Ditto?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

:No. You cannot breed a Ditto with a Ditto. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Really... interesting--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It's confusing, but it makes vague sense since Ditto has no gender. Remember, non-gendered Pokémon can't be bred, even with Ditto...it's "Unknown"-gendered Pokémon (Magnemite etc.) that can. Ditto has a unique egg type as well, we assume it breeds with everything except itself and None. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

While not made true in the games or implied in other sources: Considering its physical structure, does anyone else think that Ditto reproduces asexually? -- [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 18:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:It probably does, but since no official sources imply or otherwise indicate this, it doesn't belong in the article. It's pure speculation, and it's just as plausible that a fixed number of Ditto were created by Arceus at the beginning or time, and they lie dormant until bothered in the tall grasses. Or maybe Dittos are actually single cells from Mew's body that have grown much larger. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::That... actually makes perfect sense. It would explain why the both of them can use Transform while no other pokemon can...[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Learn every move ==

Can't ditto learn every move with its move transform?[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 00:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:But since it doesn't keep the move permanently, it doesn't go under the Learnset section. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 00:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok i was just wondering[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 14:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm guessing that means the Rage cheat doesn't count? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:46, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:Cheats and glitches don't count. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:51, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Color ==

Sould it be noted that, in all sprites exept Gen. 3 Ditto's color is purple, but in its Gen. 3 sprite it's pink ? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 15:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

no cos to me it looks pink all time and in Yellow it Yellowy-green.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

It is purple in it's sprites except for the 3rd generation, however it may be less of a colour difference and more of a shade difference [[User:Bioness|Bioness]] 13:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)Bioness

== Buggy Moves ==
In my Pokemon Diamond game, I was using Ditto to catch Pokemon. After using transform on and catching a Primape, combat ended with Ditto still looking like Primape (duh). After that I got into another wild battle and Ditto was Ditto again, but with Primape's moveset. I am making an assumption that you can potentially make Ditto a permanent clone move-wise this way, anyone want to experiment? [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 21:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

never happed to me and my ditto, if was a bug in your game then you are lucky.
and what do mean experiment? I can experiment.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:Wha? I've heard of this happening... was this a Japanese game or the international release? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry for the stupidly late reply, I don't visit here much (obviously). Anyway, the description I left above is still accurate. It has been traded between several players, gained over 30 levels in daycare, gone back and forth over Wi-fi, and been used in many battles since I originally left this message, yet it still knows the Primeape's moves. It has not effected or hampered my breeding at all, either. In fact, I bred that same Primeape with the Ditto to get a Mankey later on.
::I own the US version of Pokemon Diamond (purchased at my local Gamestop).
::The Primeape in question was caught with an Ultra Ball and caught on Route 225 (of course) if anyone wants to experiment with this. Basically, go into any battle with your Ditto, use transform, and then catch the Pokemon you transformed into while Ditto is still your active Pokemon. Then, check Ditto's moves to see if they have changed. If they haven't, try it a few more times and see if it works. Also, I am pretty sure my Ditto was holding Quick Powder at the time as well.
::Ditto right now knows whatever moves a level 52 Primeape knows, which off the top of my head are Cross Chop, Rage, Swagger, and Thrash. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Forgot to mention, I own no cheating devices nor do I have access to them. and my entire game is legitimately played. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

something like that happened to me but i found out how to fix it using a move deletor then going underground and finding a heart scale then using a move tutor [[User:Leftywright|Leftywright]] 23:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== if a shiny ditto Transforms will it Transform in a shiny whatever==
if it don,t then saud be in the page [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:It did, but won't anymore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

cool, when did it solp[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Gen IV is the first game where it becomes, shiny or not, whatever it turned into. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

==Title==
The Transform Paradox: I changed the title because this example is not actually a paradox. A paradox is an extended contradiction, this is not. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:True, yes, however, a paradox is also an infinite time loop that self-contradicts. The contradiction here comes in the never-lowering PP of Transform for both Pokémon, remaining locked at 5. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
There is no contradiction in this at all. Both using Transform is nothing more than a deadlock. An infinite time loop the self-contradicts would be going back in time to kill your grandfather and succeeding. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:I have a question, does this only apply with two ditto, because mew can transform and can learn other moves. Because it seems to me that only Transform the move is copied, but I thought transform copies all the other Pokemon's moves, so wouldn't a match up between a mew and a ditto (as long as Mew has other moves) be an exception? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 09:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::It works if Mew Transforms into something with only Transform. Say you have a Mew with Transform and Psychic. Psychic has 10 PP. You're facing the exact same Mew. You use Transform. Both Transform and Psychic have 5 PP apiece. You can use all 5 Psychics you have now, then Transform and the PP will be at 5 again. It only locks you in if you have only Transform. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 11:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::: Right that's what I meant, the locking, not the transform reseting the PP. Okay good to know.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 20:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Regarding that...in my Crystal, my Ditto battled a wild Ditto. My Ditto constantly transformed, but the wild one kept having its Transform for no reason whatsoever. As a result, Struggle came about... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

==Shiny Ditto Glitch==
What the F...lareon happened to the glitch to get a shiny ditto in G/S using R/B, if no one knows what I'm talking about here's how (altough it's old and I think you all know):

1 Capture the shiny Gyarados in G/S and ransfer it to R/B
2 Teach Gyarados Mimic and erase all his other moves
3 Battle a wild Ditto with the Gyarados, mimic him and transform a few turns while it transforms
4 Capture the Ditto and transfer it to G/S it will be shiny

Notes: I'm not sure if it's a requirement but all of the times I used the Pokémon Stadium 2 (For both transfer and Doduo GB).

Sorry I don't have a video or anything but try it out, I didn't directly affect the article but I'll edit it if no one answers this in 10 days.
--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 06:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:The egg's a glitch, that's how breeding worked in Generation II. See [[Pokémon Breeding#Trivia|the last part of the trivia]]. You just got lucky because of you got a shiny Charmander. And I think the shiny Ditto trick is also mentioned somewhere. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The glitch has nothing to do with the Shiny Charmander I only wrote that to reference but since I confused you I'll delete it.--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 16:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ben 10 in Trivia ==

''An alien in the television series Ben 10 shares a name with Ditto. However, unlike the Pokémon, the alien Ditto can simply multiply, and gets its name when two of them say the exact same thing at the exact same time.'' Don't tell me this belongs in the article. Ben 10 has absolutely nothing to do with Ditto. I don't want to start a revert war, however. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:To be honest, it's not surprising that the name "Ditto" is used, since it's not Pokémon specific...'''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 11:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
== Ditto Breeding ==
Ok. all up and down this talk page (and on the Gender one) it says Ditto can't breed with Ditto. And yet, I'VE DONE IT! In both FR and Pearl (Don't ask me to remember GSC, cause I don't, and I didn't have 2 dits in Ruby or Sapph, and never owned LG, Emerald, or Diamond) Either whoever failed has a dfective game, or I do. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 19:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:Plz to be proving this with a YouTube video proving that no Action Replaying was involved. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
You're very lucky. But I agree with TTEchidna, please at least provide some video proof if you ever manage to do it again.--[[User:Project Harbinger|Project Harbinger]] 14:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== One Move ==
Ditto isn't the only Pokemon that only learns one move, the same is true of Unown. {{unsigned|DrStubbsberg}}

Until Platinum, it was also true of Beldum. Smeargle also only learns one move, though it learns it up to 10 times. [[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 04:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Ditto can (or at least could) permanently learn other moves ==

I had to create an account just to point this out as I was very surprised not to already see it in the article. I remember doing this with my friends back with gold/silver (don't know if it works in further generations). Ditto can permanently learn ANY move. When I used my ditto on pokemon stadium, it listed his moves as red, indicating that ditto shouldn't have those moves and that it's an exploit, but I wouldn't think that would stop it from being noted. Here's how, in case you pokenuts don't already know (which you probably do):

Take a smeargle. Put it up against a pokemon with the move you want ditto to learn. Use sketch on the move so smeargle permanently learns it. Level smeargle enough so he learns sketch again. Make sure sketch is not in the first slot, because otherwise ditto will lose the ability to transform. (doens't stop the trick from working, just stops you from doing it again). Link up your cartidge with the smeargle on it (and in your party) to the cart with the ditto on it. This "records" the trainer's smeargle on the "ditto cart", so that the ditto can battle the smeargle. Make them battle. Have ditto use transform. When smeargle uses the move you want ditto to learn, use the copied sketch. Poof. Ditto permanently retains whatever move you want.

I had a ditto with horn drill, fissure, guillotine, and lock-on, which always came as a shock to opponents. (though not much of a challenge as he's so weak). Does this exploit belong in the article? Probably never going to post again, [[User:Farsight001|Farsight001]] 13:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's under glitches. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::The {{m|Sketch}} page states that it cannot be used when transformed, therefore this should not work. Does that statement there concern only Gen III and IV? If it does, it should be listed under Gen III and not directly under the Effect header. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 18:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Problem==
In the trivia section, on the point about Pokéthlon stats, you've written it's instead of its. {{unsigned|Mattiuscn}}
:Yeah. You can fix that in a month. Right now we're trying not to touch the pages too much. Makes it easier to fix things technologically later down the track. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== No Trainers use Ditto? ==

"This is likely why no Trainers have Ditto in the Generation IV games" - I can't verify this since I don't have any Gen IV games, but I recall a schoolboy on the Vermilion - Olivine leg of the S.S. Aqua journey in the original G/S/C who used a Ditto. I was wondering does this trainer still use Ditto or does he have a new party in HG/SS? --[[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 08:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:He still uses one. [[User:Saxton Hale|Saxton Hale]] 15:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Also on HGSS, a scientist in the team rocket souveneir shop hideout had a Ditto. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 07:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== How can it breed at all? ==

If Ditto is genderless, how is it able to breed at all? You would need a male and a female to complete the breeding process.--[[User:Project Harbinger|Project Harbinger]] 14:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I read something about asexual something something.. the thing is, I can't remember what it was exactly.. [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 18:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I have wondered this too because if anything ditto were to transform and it would copy that Pokemon exactly. So if you have a boy dragonite ditto would transform into a boy dragonite, and if it did try to turn its self into a girl wouldn't it just mess up. (just thinking logically don't hate) {{unsigned|Underdog114}}

== Transform affects experience gain? ==
A friend of mine claims that a Ditto will give more of less experience depending on what it Transforms into. Is this true? I sustain is isn't but I'm having a rotten time actually finding any Dittos to check. He claims this is in Emerald's Desert Underpass, if it affects any (I'm looking in HG). [[User:Vhazhiphor|Vhazhiphor]] 00:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Transform Paradox? ==

When I was playing in Emerald, I used a Ditto with a high speed to battle another Ditto, my Ditto used Transform first, then the enemy couldn't use it, because Pokémon can't Transform into already Transformed Pokémon, so I kept using Transform, which ultimately restored it's PP, and the enemy couldn't Transform. It eventually used Struggle, I kept using Hyper Potions, the enemy fainted, and I won. But, in that article, it says that the battle should last forever. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 20:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:According to the transform article it was made like that in Gen II. I've reworded it so that it now (correctly) only applies to Generation I. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Tickle ==

The pokedex says laughing makes it unable to hold its form. When you tickle someone, laughing is a natural reaction. But Tickle doesn't make it revert to its normal form. I tried to add this (someone else did too according to the page's history), but someone said that "nothing says ticking would make it laugh." I personally don't see how the move would have an effect then. What other point is there to tickling? Am I missing something? --[[User:LynnCreed|LynnCreed]] 20:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I dont think the actual move tickle should even have an effect

(and tickling is not the only way to make someone laugh) ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC))

I didn't say tickling is the only way to make someone laugh, I said laughing is the only natural reaction to tickling, so i think the comment is warranted in the trivia section. --[[User:LynnCreed|LynnCreed]] 16:08, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think so. Maybe Ditto just isn't ticklish. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:42, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::But i think one pokedex entry says that that it can't help but laugh when tickled, {{unsigned|Benboy803}}.

== Ditto and Mew ==

Ditto and Mew are pretty similar...

Weight: Both are 8.8lbs

Gender: Both Genderless (Yeah, probably insignificant)

Colour and Shiny Colouration: Both are naturally Pink and have Blue as their shiny colour

Transform: They both start with Transform

This might be a bit silly/weird but it's nice to note.

Perhaps we can add this to the Trivia, if not all then at least some?

--[[User:JasonTongRulz|♪ Jason Tong ♪]] 02:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

==Breeding==
If a ditto and a male blastoise were to breed would the squirtle that hatches get all stats from the dad even the ones that are usually obtained from the mom contact me http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Underdog114 {{unsigned|Underdog114}}

== Correct me if i'm wrong ==

Doesn't Ditto have the same cry as Poliwag?
{{u|Benboy803}}

== Zoroark and Ditto ==

If use Zoroark to battle Ditto, Ditto cant transform as long as Zoroark is in the illusion form. I encountered this in Pokemon Black while battling a wild one. My Zoroark was in the illusion form of Reshiram. The Ditto kept using transform but the game would say it failed. Curious I tried battling another Ditto with Zoroark in another illusion form and it still couldn't transform. My Zoroark is the one from the shiny legendary beast event. [[User:ZoroarkRuless11|ZoroarkRuless11]] 23:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
:That is quite interesting. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 23:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
::Although it is interesting, please don't add it as trivia. Thanks. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 23:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
:::There, added it to the Transform article, which is really the only place it needs to be. [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 23:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it should be added to the Transform, Ditto, and Zoroark because it affects all of them.{{unsigned|ZoroarkRuless11}}
:::::No, because Smeargle and Mew can also know Transform and Zorua can have Illusion, so it's not directly related to Zoroark or Ditto. And sign your comments with four tidles (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 14:03, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

== DQM ==

From what I see, Ditto's shiny form looks like a Slime, the mascot of one of Pokémon's competitors Dragon Monster Quest. The first DQM game was realeased in 1986, and shiny Pokémon were first introduced in 2000. Should this be noted? [[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]] 13:16, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

== One Move only? ==

Can Ditto learn a "temporary" move? My Ditto did a Struggle after being taunt. They said that he can't learn any move (except Transform). without cheats or glitch[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 13:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:Yup. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|皮卡丘]] [[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|兄弟]]
::Oh ok...It is weird being Struggle instead of Tackle or Headbutt ehehe...[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 13:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::{{m|Struggle}} is the default move Pokémon use when they run out of PP or are unable to use their other attacks. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 13:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::To elaborate: {{m|Taunt}} forces the opponent to only use attacking moves for {{tt|three turns|Two turns in Gen III and two to four turns in Gen IV}}. Since {{m|Transform}} is not an attacking move, it will be forced to {{m|Struggle}} if Taunted before it can Transform into another Pokémon or if all of its copied moves are non-attacking moves. Similarly, Ditto will also use Struggle if Transform is out of PP or if it has used up all the PP of the moves it has copied via Transform. It hasn't learned Struggle, it's simply being forced to use it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 13:40, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Oh ok. I thought before (Before 2011) Struggle can be permantly learn (and only). [[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 13:42, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Ditto (Pokémon)

2011-12-07T13:36:48Z

Taposa: /* One Move only? */

==Egg group==
I'm pretty sure Ditto's in the No Egg group. While it can breed with any Pokémon besides those in the No Egg group, it cannot breed with another Ditto, implying that it is, itself, in the No Egg group. -[[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]]

Ditto is in a special egg group called "DITTO" (you know how the game likes to use all-caps for Pokemon names). This group allows it to breed with anything other than a Pokemon in the "No EGGs" group or the "DITTO" group. This is what allows Ditto to breed with Pikachu or Staryu, but Suicune can't breed with other Pokemon. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

I thought you could breed two Ditto and get another Ditto. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 23:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nope. Stupidly. ~Ketz

Ditto is able to breed with other Pokémon ostensibly because of its ability to transform into other Pokémon. If it was paired with another Ditto, it wouldn't have anything to transform into, and since Ditto are genderless, would therefore have no reproductive organs.

Makes perfect sense to me that two purplish-pink blobs can't mate with each other. --17:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Ozzie

Does that mean that Ditto can breed with Lucario?[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 03:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:Anything but legendaries means anything but legendaries. Lucario isn't legendary. Therefore, ''of course''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

::Er Thanks...[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 08:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

didnt in in the II gen games if you put Ditto in the day care by itself turn into two dittos (most likely because it duplicated like a cell)--[[User:Kittenchild|Kittenchild]] 02:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

So I can't have a Lvl.1 Ditto? [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In the same note of discussion, how was the Steps to Hatch a Ditto Egg reached? Hack?
:The data's in there for all Pokémon just in case you ''somehow'' (usually hacking) manage to make an egg of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 07:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Hmmm..... ==

Ditto in the [[Anime]] could morph into any other pokemonn but keeps it size in some cases , but in the TCG it keeps its beaded eyes , that just makes wonder , can the [[Pokémon]] that ditto morphs to in the TCG be exceptions or special forms?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think so...D: Not sure... *is currently in Science-ICT class at school* [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 12:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

i think the info above should be mentioned in the trivia about the beaded eyes. to be honest nintendo shoud confirm this--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Though worthless to do, can't u breed 2 Dittos and get another Ditto?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

:No. You cannot breed a Ditto with a Ditto. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Really... interesting--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It's confusing, but it makes vague sense since Ditto has no gender. Remember, non-gendered Pokémon can't be bred, even with Ditto...it's "Unknown"-gendered Pokémon (Magnemite etc.) that can. Ditto has a unique egg type as well, we assume it breeds with everything except itself and None. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

While not made true in the games or implied in other sources: Considering its physical structure, does anyone else think that Ditto reproduces asexually? -- [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 18:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:It probably does, but since no official sources imply or otherwise indicate this, it doesn't belong in the article. It's pure speculation, and it's just as plausible that a fixed number of Ditto were created by Arceus at the beginning or time, and they lie dormant until bothered in the tall grasses. Or maybe Dittos are actually single cells from Mew's body that have grown much larger. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::That... actually makes perfect sense. It would explain why the both of them can use Transform while no other pokemon can...[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Learn every move ==

Can't ditto learn every move with its move transform?[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 00:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:But since it doesn't keep the move permanently, it doesn't go under the Learnset section. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 00:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok i was just wondering[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 14:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm guessing that means the Rage cheat doesn't count? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:46, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:Cheats and glitches don't count. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:51, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Color ==

Sould it be noted that, in all sprites exept Gen. 3 Ditto's color is purple, but in its Gen. 3 sprite it's pink ? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 15:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

no cos to me it looks pink all time and in Yellow it Yellowy-green.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

It is purple in it's sprites except for the 3rd generation, however it may be less of a colour difference and more of a shade difference [[User:Bioness|Bioness]] 13:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)Bioness

== Buggy Moves ==
In my Pokemon Diamond game, I was using Ditto to catch Pokemon. After using transform on and catching a Primape, combat ended with Ditto still looking like Primape (duh). After that I got into another wild battle and Ditto was Ditto again, but with Primape's moveset. I am making an assumption that you can potentially make Ditto a permanent clone move-wise this way, anyone want to experiment? [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 21:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

never happed to me and my ditto, if was a bug in your game then you are lucky.
and what do mean experiment? I can experiment.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:Wha? I've heard of this happening... was this a Japanese game or the international release? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry for the stupidly late reply, I don't visit here much (obviously). Anyway, the description I left above is still accurate. It has been traded between several players, gained over 30 levels in daycare, gone back and forth over Wi-fi, and been used in many battles since I originally left this message, yet it still knows the Primeape's moves. It has not effected or hampered my breeding at all, either. In fact, I bred that same Primeape with the Ditto to get a Mankey later on.
::I own the US version of Pokemon Diamond (purchased at my local Gamestop).
::The Primeape in question was caught with an Ultra Ball and caught on Route 225 (of course) if anyone wants to experiment with this. Basically, go into any battle with your Ditto, use transform, and then catch the Pokemon you transformed into while Ditto is still your active Pokemon. Then, check Ditto's moves to see if they have changed. If they haven't, try it a few more times and see if it works. Also, I am pretty sure my Ditto was holding Quick Powder at the time as well.
::Ditto right now knows whatever moves a level 52 Primeape knows, which off the top of my head are Cross Chop, Rage, Swagger, and Thrash. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Forgot to mention, I own no cheating devices nor do I have access to them. and my entire game is legitimately played. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

something like that happened to me but i found out how to fix it using a move deletor then going underground and finding a heart scale then using a move tutor [[User:Leftywright|Leftywright]] 23:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== if a shiny ditto Transforms will it Transform in a shiny whatever==
if it don,t then saud be in the page [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:It did, but won't anymore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

cool, when did it solp[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Gen IV is the first game where it becomes, shiny or not, whatever it turned into. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

==Title==
The Transform Paradox: I changed the title because this example is not actually a paradox. A paradox is an extended contradiction, this is not. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:True, yes, however, a paradox is also an infinite time loop that self-contradicts. The contradiction here comes in the never-lowering PP of Transform for both Pokémon, remaining locked at 5. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
There is no contradiction in this at all. Both using Transform is nothing more than a deadlock. An infinite time loop the self-contradicts would be going back in time to kill your grandfather and succeeding. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:I have a question, does this only apply with two ditto, because mew can transform and can learn other moves. Because it seems to me that only Transform the move is copied, but I thought transform copies all the other Pokemon's moves, so wouldn't a match up between a mew and a ditto (as long as Mew has other moves) be an exception? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 09:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::It works if Mew Transforms into something with only Transform. Say you have a Mew with Transform and Psychic. Psychic has 10 PP. You're facing the exact same Mew. You use Transform. Both Transform and Psychic have 5 PP apiece. You can use all 5 Psychics you have now, then Transform and the PP will be at 5 again. It only locks you in if you have only Transform. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 11:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::: Right that's what I meant, the locking, not the transform reseting the PP. Okay good to know.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 20:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Regarding that...in my Crystal, my Ditto battled a wild Ditto. My Ditto constantly transformed, but the wild one kept having its Transform for no reason whatsoever. As a result, Struggle came about... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

==Shiny Ditto Glitch==
What the F...lareon happened to the glitch to get a shiny ditto in G/S using R/B, if no one knows what I'm talking about here's how (altough it's old and I think you all know):

1 Capture the shiny Gyarados in G/S and ransfer it to R/B
2 Teach Gyarados Mimic and erase all his other moves
3 Battle a wild Ditto with the Gyarados, mimic him and transform a few turns while it transforms
4 Capture the Ditto and transfer it to G/S it will be shiny

Notes: I'm not sure if it's a requirement but all of the times I used the Pokémon Stadium 2 (For both transfer and Doduo GB).

Sorry I don't have a video or anything but try it out, I didn't directly affect the article but I'll edit it if no one answers this in 10 days.
--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 06:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:The egg's a glitch, that's how breeding worked in Generation II. See [[Pokémon Breeding#Trivia|the last part of the trivia]]. You just got lucky because of you got a shiny Charmander. And I think the shiny Ditto trick is also mentioned somewhere. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The glitch has nothing to do with the Shiny Charmander I only wrote that to reference but since I confused you I'll delete it.--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 16:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ben 10 in Trivia ==

''An alien in the television series Ben 10 shares a name with Ditto. However, unlike the Pokémon, the alien Ditto can simply multiply, and gets its name when two of them say the exact same thing at the exact same time.'' Don't tell me this belongs in the article. Ben 10 has absolutely nothing to do with Ditto. I don't want to start a revert war, however. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:To be honest, it's not surprising that the name "Ditto" is used, since it's not Pokémon specific...'''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 11:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
== Ditto Breeding ==
Ok. all up and down this talk page (and on the Gender one) it says Ditto can't breed with Ditto. And yet, I'VE DONE IT! In both FR and Pearl (Don't ask me to remember GSC, cause I don't, and I didn't have 2 dits in Ruby or Sapph, and never owned LG, Emerald, or Diamond) Either whoever failed has a dfective game, or I do. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 19:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:Plz to be proving this with a YouTube video proving that no Action Replaying was involved. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
You're very lucky. But I agree with TTEchidna, please at least provide some video proof if you ever manage to do it again.--[[User:Project Harbinger|Project Harbinger]] 14:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== One Move ==
Ditto isn't the only Pokemon that only learns one move, the same is true of Unown. {{unsigned|DrStubbsberg}}

Until Platinum, it was also true of Beldum. Smeargle also only learns one move, though it learns it up to 10 times. [[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 04:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Ditto can (or at least could) permanently learn other moves ==

I had to create an account just to point this out as I was very surprised not to already see it in the article. I remember doing this with my friends back with gold/silver (don't know if it works in further generations). Ditto can permanently learn ANY move. When I used my ditto on pokemon stadium, it listed his moves as red, indicating that ditto shouldn't have those moves and that it's an exploit, but I wouldn't think that would stop it from being noted. Here's how, in case you pokenuts don't already know (which you probably do):

Take a smeargle. Put it up against a pokemon with the move you want ditto to learn. Use sketch on the move so smeargle permanently learns it. Level smeargle enough so he learns sketch again. Make sure sketch is not in the first slot, because otherwise ditto will lose the ability to transform. (doens't stop the trick from working, just stops you from doing it again). Link up your cartidge with the smeargle on it (and in your party) to the cart with the ditto on it. This "records" the trainer's smeargle on the "ditto cart", so that the ditto can battle the smeargle. Make them battle. Have ditto use transform. When smeargle uses the move you want ditto to learn, use the copied sketch. Poof. Ditto permanently retains whatever move you want.

I had a ditto with horn drill, fissure, guillotine, and lock-on, which always came as a shock to opponents. (though not much of a challenge as he's so weak). Does this exploit belong in the article? Probably never going to post again, [[User:Farsight001|Farsight001]] 13:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's under glitches. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::The {{m|Sketch}} page states that it cannot be used when transformed, therefore this should not work. Does that statement there concern only Gen III and IV? If it does, it should be listed under Gen III and not directly under the Effect header. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 18:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Problem==
In the trivia section, on the point about Pokéthlon stats, you've written it's instead of its. {{unsigned|Mattiuscn}}
:Yeah. You can fix that in a month. Right now we're trying not to touch the pages too much. Makes it easier to fix things technologically later down the track. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== No Trainers use Ditto? ==

"This is likely why no Trainers have Ditto in the Generation IV games" - I can't verify this since I don't have any Gen IV games, but I recall a schoolboy on the Vermilion - Olivine leg of the S.S. Aqua journey in the original G/S/C who used a Ditto. I was wondering does this trainer still use Ditto or does he have a new party in HG/SS? --[[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 08:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:He still uses one. [[User:Saxton Hale|Saxton Hale]] 15:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Also on HGSS, a scientist in the team rocket souveneir shop hideout had a Ditto. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 07:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== How can it breed at all? ==

If Ditto is genderless, how is it able to breed at all? You would need a male and a female to complete the breeding process.--[[User:Project Harbinger|Project Harbinger]] 14:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I read something about asexual something something.. the thing is, I can't remember what it was exactly.. [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 18:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I have wondered this too because if anything ditto were to transform and it would copy that Pokemon exactly. So if you have a boy dragonite ditto would transform into a boy dragonite, and if it did try to turn its self into a girl wouldn't it just mess up. (just thinking logically don't hate) {{unsigned|Underdog114}}

== Transform affects experience gain? ==
A friend of mine claims that a Ditto will give more of less experience depending on what it Transforms into. Is this true? I sustain is isn't but I'm having a rotten time actually finding any Dittos to check. He claims this is in Emerald's Desert Underpass, if it affects any (I'm looking in HG). [[User:Vhazhiphor|Vhazhiphor]] 00:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Transform Paradox? ==

When I was playing in Emerald, I used a Ditto with a high speed to battle another Ditto, my Ditto used Transform first, then the enemy couldn't use it, because Pokémon can't Transform into already Transformed Pokémon, so I kept using Transform, which ultimately restored it's PP, and the enemy couldn't Transform. It eventually used Struggle, I kept using Hyper Potions, the enemy fainted, and I won. But, in that article, it says that the battle should last forever. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 20:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:According to the transform article it was made like that in Gen II. I've reworded it so that it now (correctly) only applies to Generation I. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Tickle ==

The pokedex says laughing makes it unable to hold its form. When you tickle someone, laughing is a natural reaction. But Tickle doesn't make it revert to its normal form. I tried to add this (someone else did too according to the page's history), but someone said that "nothing says ticking would make it laugh." I personally don't see how the move would have an effect then. What other point is there to tickling? Am I missing something? --[[User:LynnCreed|LynnCreed]] 20:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I dont think the actual move tickle should even have an effect

(and tickling is not the only way to make someone laugh) ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC))

I didn't say tickling is the only way to make someone laugh, I said laughing is the only natural reaction to tickling, so i think the comment is warranted in the trivia section. --[[User:LynnCreed|LynnCreed]] 16:08, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think so. Maybe Ditto just isn't ticklish. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:42, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::But i think one pokedex entry says that that it can't help but laugh when tickled, {{unsigned|Benboy803}}.

== Ditto and Mew ==

Ditto and Mew are pretty similar...

Weight: Both are 8.8lbs

Gender: Both Genderless (Yeah, probably insignificant)

Colour and Shiny Colouration: Both are naturally Pink and have Blue as their shiny colour

Transform: They both start with Transform

This might be a bit silly/weird but it's nice to note.

Perhaps we can add this to the Trivia, if not all then at least some?

--[[User:JasonTongRulz|♪ Jason Tong ♪]] 02:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

==Breeding==
If a ditto and a male blastoise were to breed would the squirtle that hatches get all stats from the dad even the ones that are usually obtained from the mom contact me http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Underdog114 {{unsigned|Underdog114}}

== Correct me if i'm wrong ==

Doesn't Ditto have the same cry as Poliwag?
{{u|Benboy803}}

== Zoroark and Ditto ==

If use Zoroark to battle Ditto, Ditto cant transform as long as Zoroark is in the illusion form. I encountered this in Pokemon Black while battling a wild one. My Zoroark was in the illusion form of Reshiram. The Ditto kept using transform but the game would say it failed. Curious I tried battling another Ditto with Zoroark in another illusion form and it still couldn't transform. My Zoroark is the one from the shiny legendary beast event. [[User:ZoroarkRuless11|ZoroarkRuless11]] 23:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
:That is quite interesting. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 23:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
::Although it is interesting, please don't add it as trivia. Thanks. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 23:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
:::There, added it to the Transform article, which is really the only place it needs to be. [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 23:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it should be added to the Transform, Ditto, and Zoroark because it affects all of them.{{unsigned|ZoroarkRuless11}}
:::::No, because Smeargle and Mew can also know Transform and Zorua can have Illusion, so it's not directly related to Zoroark or Ditto. And sign your comments with four tidles (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 14:03, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

== DQM ==

From what I see, Ditto's shiny form looks like a Slime, the mascot of one of Pokémon's competitors Dragon Monster Quest. The first DQM game was realeased in 1986, and shiny Pokémon were first introduced in 2000. Should this be noted? [[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]] 13:16, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

== One Move only? ==

Can Ditto learn a "temporary" move? My Ditto did a Struggle after being taunt. They said that he can't learn any move (except Transform). without cheats or glitch[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 13:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Yup. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|皮卡丘]] [[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|兄弟]]

Oh ok...It is weird being Struggle instead of Tackle or Headbutt ehehe...[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 13:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Ditto (Pokémon)

2011-12-07T13:33:40Z

Taposa: /* One Move only? */

==Egg group==
I'm pretty sure Ditto's in the No Egg group. While it can breed with any Pokémon besides those in the No Egg group, it cannot breed with another Ditto, implying that it is, itself, in the No Egg group. -[[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]]

Ditto is in a special egg group called "DITTO" (you know how the game likes to use all-caps for Pokemon names). This group allows it to breed with anything other than a Pokemon in the "No EGGs" group or the "DITTO" group. This is what allows Ditto to breed with Pikachu or Staryu, but Suicune can't breed with other Pokemon. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

I thought you could breed two Ditto and get another Ditto. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 23:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nope. Stupidly. ~Ketz

Ditto is able to breed with other Pokémon ostensibly because of its ability to transform into other Pokémon. If it was paired with another Ditto, it wouldn't have anything to transform into, and since Ditto are genderless, would therefore have no reproductive organs.

Makes perfect sense to me that two purplish-pink blobs can't mate with each other. --17:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Ozzie

Does that mean that Ditto can breed with Lucario?[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 03:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:Anything but legendaries means anything but legendaries. Lucario isn't legendary. Therefore, ''of course''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

::Er Thanks...[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 08:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

didnt in in the II gen games if you put Ditto in the day care by itself turn into two dittos (most likely because it duplicated like a cell)--[[User:Kittenchild|Kittenchild]] 02:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

So I can't have a Lvl.1 Ditto? [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In the same note of discussion, how was the Steps to Hatch a Ditto Egg reached? Hack?
:The data's in there for all Pokémon just in case you ''somehow'' (usually hacking) manage to make an egg of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 07:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Hmmm..... ==

Ditto in the [[Anime]] could morph into any other pokemonn but keeps it size in some cases , but in the TCG it keeps its beaded eyes , that just makes wonder , can the [[Pokémon]] that ditto morphs to in the TCG be exceptions or special forms?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think so...D: Not sure... *is currently in Science-ICT class at school* [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 12:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

i think the info above should be mentioned in the trivia about the beaded eyes. to be honest nintendo shoud confirm this--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Though worthless to do, can't u breed 2 Dittos and get another Ditto?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

:No. You cannot breed a Ditto with a Ditto. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Really... interesting--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It's confusing, but it makes vague sense since Ditto has no gender. Remember, non-gendered Pokémon can't be bred, even with Ditto...it's "Unknown"-gendered Pokémon (Magnemite etc.) that can. Ditto has a unique egg type as well, we assume it breeds with everything except itself and None. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

While not made true in the games or implied in other sources: Considering its physical structure, does anyone else think that Ditto reproduces asexually? -- [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 18:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:It probably does, but since no official sources imply or otherwise indicate this, it doesn't belong in the article. It's pure speculation, and it's just as plausible that a fixed number of Ditto were created by Arceus at the beginning or time, and they lie dormant until bothered in the tall grasses. Or maybe Dittos are actually single cells from Mew's body that have grown much larger. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::That... actually makes perfect sense. It would explain why the both of them can use Transform while no other pokemon can...[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Learn every move ==

Can't ditto learn every move with its move transform?[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 00:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:But since it doesn't keep the move permanently, it doesn't go under the Learnset section. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 00:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok i was just wondering[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 14:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm guessing that means the Rage cheat doesn't count? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 20:46, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:Cheats and glitches don't count. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:51, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Color ==

Sould it be noted that, in all sprites exept Gen. 3 Ditto's color is purple, but in its Gen. 3 sprite it's pink ? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 15:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

no cos to me it looks pink all time and in Yellow it Yellowy-green.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

It is purple in it's sprites except for the 3rd generation, however it may be less of a colour difference and more of a shade difference [[User:Bioness|Bioness]] 13:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)Bioness

== Buggy Moves ==
In my Pokemon Diamond game, I was using Ditto to catch Pokemon. After using transform on and catching a Primape, combat ended with Ditto still looking like Primape (duh). After that I got into another wild battle and Ditto was Ditto again, but with Primape's moveset. I am making an assumption that you can potentially make Ditto a permanent clone move-wise this way, anyone want to experiment? [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 21:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

never happed to me and my ditto, if was a bug in your game then you are lucky.
and what do mean experiment? I can experiment.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:Wha? I've heard of this happening... was this a Japanese game or the international release? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry for the stupidly late reply, I don't visit here much (obviously). Anyway, the description I left above is still accurate. It has been traded between several players, gained over 30 levels in daycare, gone back and forth over Wi-fi, and been used in many battles since I originally left this message, yet it still knows the Primeape's moves. It has not effected or hampered my breeding at all, either. In fact, I bred that same Primeape with the Ditto to get a Mankey later on.
::I own the US version of Pokemon Diamond (purchased at my local Gamestop).
::The Primeape in question was caught with an Ultra Ball and caught on Route 225 (of course) if anyone wants to experiment with this. Basically, go into any battle with your Ditto, use transform, and then catch the Pokemon you transformed into while Ditto is still your active Pokemon. Then, check Ditto's moves to see if they have changed. If they haven't, try it a few more times and see if it works. Also, I am pretty sure my Ditto was holding Quick Powder at the time as well.
::Ditto right now knows whatever moves a level 52 Primeape knows, which off the top of my head are Cross Chop, Rage, Swagger, and Thrash. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Forgot to mention, I own no cheating devices nor do I have access to them. and my entire game is legitimately played. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

something like that happened to me but i found out how to fix it using a move deletor then going underground and finding a heart scale then using a move tutor [[User:Leftywright|Leftywright]] 23:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== if a shiny ditto Transforms will it Transform in a shiny whatever==
if it don,t then saud be in the page [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:It did, but won't anymore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

cool, when did it solp[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Gen IV is the first game where it becomes, shiny or not, whatever it turned into. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

==Title==
The Transform Paradox: I changed the title because this example is not actually a paradox. A paradox is an extended contradiction, this is not. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:True, yes, however, a paradox is also an infinite time loop that self-contradicts. The contradiction here comes in the never-lowering PP of Transform for both Pokémon, remaining locked at 5. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
There is no contradiction in this at all. Both using Transform is nothing more than a deadlock. An infinite time loop the self-contradicts would be going back in time to kill your grandfather and succeeding. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:I have a question, does this only apply with two ditto, because mew can transform and can learn other moves. Because it seems to me that only Transform the move is copied, but I thought transform copies all the other Pokemon's moves, so wouldn't a match up between a mew and a ditto (as long as Mew has other moves) be an exception? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 09:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::It works if Mew Transforms into something with only Transform. Say you have a Mew with Transform and Psychic. Psychic has 10 PP. You're facing the exact same Mew. You use Transform. Both Transform and Psychic have 5 PP apiece. You can use all 5 Psychics you have now, then Transform and the PP will be at 5 again. It only locks you in if you have only Transform. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 11:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::: Right that's what I meant, the locking, not the transform reseting the PP. Okay good to know.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 20:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Regarding that...in my Crystal, my Ditto battled a wild Ditto. My Ditto constantly transformed, but the wild one kept having its Transform for no reason whatsoever. As a result, Struggle came about... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

==Shiny Ditto Glitch==
What the F...lareon happened to the glitch to get a shiny ditto in G/S using R/B, if no one knows what I'm talking about here's how (altough it's old and I think you all know):

1 Capture the shiny Gyarados in G/S and ransfer it to R/B
2 Teach Gyarados Mimic and erase all his other moves
3 Battle a wild Ditto with the Gyarados, mimic him and transform a few turns while it transforms
4 Capture the Ditto and transfer it to G/S it will be shiny

Notes: I'm not sure if it's a requirement but all of the times I used the Pokémon Stadium 2 (For both transfer and Doduo GB).

Sorry I don't have a video or anything but try it out, I didn't directly affect the article but I'll edit it if no one answers this in 10 days.
--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 06:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:The egg's a glitch, that's how breeding worked in Generation II. See [[Pokémon Breeding#Trivia|the last part of the trivia]]. You just got lucky because of you got a shiny Charmander. And I think the shiny Ditto trick is also mentioned somewhere. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The glitch has nothing to do with the Shiny Charmander I only wrote that to reference but since I confused you I'll delete it.--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 16:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ben 10 in Trivia ==

''An alien in the television series Ben 10 shares a name with Ditto. However, unlike the Pokémon, the alien Ditto can simply multiply, and gets its name when two of them say the exact same thing at the exact same time.'' Don't tell me this belongs in the article. Ben 10 has absolutely nothing to do with Ditto. I don't want to start a revert war, however. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:To be honest, it's not surprising that the name "Ditto" is used, since it's not Pokémon specific...'''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 11:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
== Ditto Breeding ==
Ok. all up and down this talk page (and on the Gender one) it says Ditto can't breed with Ditto. And yet, I'VE DONE IT! In both FR and Pearl (Don't ask me to remember GSC, cause I don't, and I didn't have 2 dits in Ruby or Sapph, and never owned LG, Emerald, or Diamond) Either whoever failed has a dfective game, or I do. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 19:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:Plz to be proving this with a YouTube video proving that no Action Replaying was involved. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
You're very lucky. But I agree with TTEchidna, please at least provide some video proof if you ever manage to do it again.--[[User:Project Harbinger|Project Harbinger]] 14:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== One Move ==
Ditto isn't the only Pokemon that only learns one move, the same is true of Unown. {{unsigned|DrStubbsberg}}

Until Platinum, it was also true of Beldum. Smeargle also only learns one move, though it learns it up to 10 times. [[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 04:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Ditto can (or at least could) permanently learn other moves ==

I had to create an account just to point this out as I was very surprised not to already see it in the article. I remember doing this with my friends back with gold/silver (don't know if it works in further generations). Ditto can permanently learn ANY move. When I used my ditto on pokemon stadium, it listed his moves as red, indicating that ditto shouldn't have those moves and that it's an exploit, but I wouldn't think that would stop it from being noted. Here's how, in case you pokenuts don't already know (which you probably do):

Take a smeargle. Put it up against a pokemon with the move you want ditto to learn. Use sketch on the move so smeargle permanently learns it. Level smeargle enough so he learns sketch again. Make sure sketch is not in the first slot, because otherwise ditto will lose the ability to transform. (doens't stop the trick from working, just stops you from doing it again). Link up your cartidge with the smeargle on it (and in your party) to the cart with the ditto on it. This "records" the trainer's smeargle on the "ditto cart", so that the ditto can battle the smeargle. Make them battle. Have ditto use transform. When smeargle uses the move you want ditto to learn, use the copied sketch. Poof. Ditto permanently retains whatever move you want.

I had a ditto with horn drill, fissure, guillotine, and lock-on, which always came as a shock to opponents. (though not much of a challenge as he's so weak). Does this exploit belong in the article? Probably never going to post again, [[User:Farsight001|Farsight001]] 13:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's under glitches. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::The {{m|Sketch}} page states that it cannot be used when transformed, therefore this should not work. Does that statement there concern only Gen III and IV? If it does, it should be listed under Gen III and not directly under the Effect header. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 18:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Problem==
In the trivia section, on the point about Pokéthlon stats, you've written it's instead of its. {{unsigned|Mattiuscn}}
:Yeah. You can fix that in a month. Right now we're trying not to touch the pages too much. Makes it easier to fix things technologically later down the track. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== No Trainers use Ditto? ==

"This is likely why no Trainers have Ditto in the Generation IV games" - I can't verify this since I don't have any Gen IV games, but I recall a schoolboy on the Vermilion - Olivine leg of the S.S. Aqua journey in the original G/S/C who used a Ditto. I was wondering does this trainer still use Ditto or does he have a new party in HG/SS? --[[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 08:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:He still uses one. [[User:Saxton Hale|Saxton Hale]] 15:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Also on HGSS, a scientist in the team rocket souveneir shop hideout had a Ditto. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 07:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== How can it breed at all? ==

If Ditto is genderless, how is it able to breed at all? You would need a male and a female to complete the breeding process.--[[User:Project Harbinger|Project Harbinger]] 14:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I read something about asexual something something.. the thing is, I can't remember what it was exactly.. [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 18:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I have wondered this too because if anything ditto were to transform and it would copy that Pokemon exactly. So if you have a boy dragonite ditto would transform into a boy dragonite, and if it did try to turn its self into a girl wouldn't it just mess up. (just thinking logically don't hate) {{unsigned|Underdog114}}

== Transform affects experience gain? ==
A friend of mine claims that a Ditto will give more of less experience depending on what it Transforms into. Is this true? I sustain is isn't but I'm having a rotten time actually finding any Dittos to check. He claims this is in Emerald's Desert Underpass, if it affects any (I'm looking in HG). [[User:Vhazhiphor|Vhazhiphor]] 00:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Transform Paradox? ==

When I was playing in Emerald, I used a Ditto with a high speed to battle another Ditto, my Ditto used Transform first, then the enemy couldn't use it, because Pokémon can't Transform into already Transformed Pokémon, so I kept using Transform, which ultimately restored it's PP, and the enemy couldn't Transform. It eventually used Struggle, I kept using Hyper Potions, the enemy fainted, and I won. But, in that article, it says that the battle should last forever. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 20:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:According to the transform article it was made like that in Gen II. I've reworded it so that it now (correctly) only applies to Generation I. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Tickle ==

The pokedex says laughing makes it unable to hold its form. When you tickle someone, laughing is a natural reaction. But Tickle doesn't make it revert to its normal form. I tried to add this (someone else did too according to the page's history), but someone said that "nothing says ticking would make it laugh." I personally don't see how the move would have an effect then. What other point is there to tickling? Am I missing something? --[[User:LynnCreed|LynnCreed]] 20:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I dont think the actual move tickle should even have an effect

(and tickling is not the only way to make someone laugh) ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC))

I didn't say tickling is the only way to make someone laugh, I said laughing is the only natural reaction to tickling, so i think the comment is warranted in the trivia section. --[[User:LynnCreed|LynnCreed]] 16:08, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think so. Maybe Ditto just isn't ticklish. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:42, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::But i think one pokedex entry says that that it can't help but laugh when tickled, {{unsigned|Benboy803}}.

== Ditto and Mew ==

Ditto and Mew are pretty similar...

Weight: Both are 8.8lbs

Gender: Both Genderless (Yeah, probably insignificant)

Colour and Shiny Colouration: Both are naturally Pink and have Blue as their shiny colour

Transform: They both start with Transform

This might be a bit silly/weird but it's nice to note.

Perhaps we can add this to the Trivia, if not all then at least some?

--[[User:JasonTongRulz|♪ Jason Tong ♪]] 02:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

==Breeding==
If a ditto and a male blastoise were to breed would the squirtle that hatches get all stats from the dad even the ones that are usually obtained from the mom contact me http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Underdog114 {{unsigned|Underdog114}}

== Correct me if i'm wrong ==

Doesn't Ditto have the same cry as Poliwag?
{{u|Benboy803}}

== Zoroark and Ditto ==

If use Zoroark to battle Ditto, Ditto cant transform as long as Zoroark is in the illusion form. I encountered this in Pokemon Black while battling a wild one. My Zoroark was in the illusion form of Reshiram. The Ditto kept using transform but the game would say it failed. Curious I tried battling another Ditto with Zoroark in another illusion form and it still couldn't transform. My Zoroark is the one from the shiny legendary beast event. [[User:ZoroarkRuless11|ZoroarkRuless11]] 23:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
:That is quite interesting. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 23:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
::Although it is interesting, please don't add it as trivia. Thanks. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 23:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
:::There, added it to the Transform article, which is really the only place it needs to be. [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 23:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
::::I think it should be added to the Transform, Ditto, and Zoroark because it affects all of them.{{unsigned|ZoroarkRuless11}}
:::::No, because Smeargle and Mew can also know Transform and Zorua can have Illusion, so it's not directly related to Zoroark or Ditto. And sign your comments with four tidles (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 14:03, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

== DQM ==

From what I see, Ditto's shiny form looks like a Slime, the mascot of one of Pokémon's competitors Dragon Monster Quest. The first DQM game was realeased in 1986, and shiny Pokémon were first introduced in 2000. Should this be noted? [[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]] 13:16, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

== One Move only? ==

Can Ditto learn a "temporary" move? My Ditto did a Struggle after being taunt. They said that he can't learn any move (except Transform). without cheats or glitch[[User:Taposa|H ello. I am Taposa.]] 13:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Yup. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|皮卡丘]] [[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|兄弟]]

Talk:Ditto (Pokémon)

2011-12-07T13:27:44Z

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Talk:Ditto (Pokémon)

2011-11-27T12:52:23Z

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Black and White (TCG)

2011-02-21T09:11:09Z

Taposa: /* Intro */

Black and White TCG is the TCG[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/TCG]for the new games Black and white the cards included here are the pokemon found in the unova region
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This Expansion can be also use in the Pokemon TCG Online to unlock codes in the online game