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Talk:Cosmoem (Pokémon)

2017-01-24T04:22:51Z

TakeruDavis: /* Trivia-worthy (?) */

==Jp name==
Just throwing this out there, everything I've seen says that Cosmovum is not its official Japanese name, there are no characters that'd indicate a "v" being in there. Cosmovum is however its French and German name. --[[User:TheMaskedMeowth|TheMaskedMeowth]] ([[User talk:TheMaskedMeowth|talk]]) 07:19, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
:[http://i.imgur.com/SqSm8CB.gif The trademark filing romanizes it as "Cosmovum".] --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 09:13, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

==Eye design==
Anyone else think that Cosmoem's design also incorporates a stylized eye? (Gold as the sclera, blue for the iris, black for the pupil.) Would that be worth including in the description or design sections?
[[User:Luprand|Luprand]] ([[User talk:Luprand|talk]]) 04:10, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:That's what I've always seen :P [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 04:15, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== Evolution ==

Re: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Cosmoem_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&curid=218180&diff=2571696&oldid=2571693 this edit]: Any old Cosmoem ''can't'' do it. Just Nebby during the storyline. That's the whole point of trying to avoid implying that players can evolve other Cosmoem that way. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:55, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
:Let's think outside of player gameplay for a moment.
:If two people brought any Cosmoem to the Altar of the Sunne/Moone and played the Sun/Moon Flutes, reasonably, that Cosmoem would evolve. (It's possible there could be other factors, but there's also nothing in particular to base that on at this time.)
:Now, within the context of player gameplay: Lillie always has one of the flutes, so aside from that one point in the story, it ''is'' impossible to do. The way it's phrased does not imply that it's possible any other time, because at no time do you possess both flutes. (Cheating not withstanding.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:05, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

== Trivia-worthy (?) ==

Is it worth mentioning this Pokémon is the only one whose next evolution depends purely on which version they are in? --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 19:14, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
:We're counting Lycanroc as a split evo so I don't think so. ----[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 22:59, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
::Fair point, although that one is still the same Pokémon, just different circumstances giving different form, while this makes a whole different species. --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 04:22, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Cosmoem (Pokémon)

2017-01-23T19:14:08Z

TakeruDavis: /* Trivia-worthy (?) */ new section

Talk:Flying Press (move)

2016-07-24T22:06:59Z

TakeruDavis: /* Octuple Damage? */

This page is create-protected. Would someone mind redirecting it to the move's page? Thanks. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 04:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Masatoshi|<sc>'''Masatoshi'''</sc>]] [[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:18, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

== STAB ==

So, since this move is, for all intents and purposes, dual type, if it's used by Hawlucha, is Same Type Attack Bonus granted once or twice? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 19:42, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

== Type effectiveness ==

Just for the record, before adding its type effectiveness to the page I experimented in-game and recorded the move's effectiveness against all Pokémon types I could find. No real surprises here, but my results were:

* Normal: 1x against {{p|Dunsparce}}
* Fire: 1x against {{p|Torkoal}}
* Water: 1x against {{p|Panpour}}
* Electric: 1/2x against {{p|Pikachu}}
* Grass: 2x against {{p|Skiddo}}
* Ice: 2x against {{p|Bergmite}}
* Fighting: 2x against {{p|Riolu}}
* Poison: 1/2x against {{p|Seviper}}
* Ground: 1x against {{p|Hippopotas}}
* Flying: 1/2x against {{p|Drifloon}} (after {{m|Foresight}})
* Psychic: 1/2x against {{p|Espurr}}
* Bug: 1x against {{p|Metapod}}
* Rock: 1x against {{p|Roggenrola}}
* Ghost: No effect on {{p|Honedge}}
* Dragon: 1x against {{p|Goomy}}
* Dark: 2x against {{p|Absol}}
* Steel: 1x against {{p|Honedge}} (after Foresight)
* Fairy: 1/2x against {{p|Flabebe}}

--''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 20:47, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay, related to the type effectiveness, should tables be put in for when it's under the effect of Electrify and Normalize for easy reference?
[[User:Arceus42|Just a guy... Arceus42]] ([[User talk:Arceus42|talk]]) 03:17, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
:It is already on the page under the normal type effectiveness. Just click on the text called <nowiki>[show]</nowiki> to see them. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

If the move is used against something that's 2x weak to both Fighting and Flying, say, Abomasnow or Scrafty, will it deal 4x damage? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:57, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
::Would it be acceptable to note this on the page, then? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 20:11, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Nah, it's obvious from the type effectiveness table.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:38, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
::::Is it? The table makes no mention of what happens when both types are weak or resist Flying or Fighting, or conflict. Like, a a Steel and Grass type would take 2x damage since the Flying weakness from Grass and resistance from Steel cancel out, making it weak to Fighting still. A Rock and Flying type takes .5x damage for the reverse reason. If the move is so complex as to demand a table showing the type match-up, I think it would be beneficial to denote what happens in conflicts like these. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 20:42, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:::::The table itself corresponds to which types Flying Press will effect individually as a whole between the two types (Fighting and Flying), meaning whatever is in the x2, x1, x1/2, and x0 categories is already calculated to the effectiveness of Flying Press (so it's really easy math every Pokémon player should know by heart anyway). Helioptle will take neutral damage and you can figure that because Flying Press is x2 against Normal and half against Electric. Gardevoir will take x1/4 damage because both Fairy and Psychic resist Flying Press. Sawsbuck will take x4 damage, Shuckle will take neutral damage, Charizard will take half damage, and Bibarel will take x2 damage. Anything part-Ghost will not be hit at all, because 0 x (insert number) = 0. Spot your types and what damage cat they fall in, and just apply. The damage calculations are right there, so nothing can conflict; you're kind of overthinking it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:41, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

== Aerilate, Pixelate, Refrigerate ==

If the type effectiveness under Electrify and Normalize are on the page, shouldn't the effectiveness under Aerilate, Pixelate, and Refrigerate be there too? [[User:FrankTheTank000|FrankTheTank000]] ([[User talk:FrankTheTank000|talk]]) 23:01, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:Flying Press isn't a Normal-type move, so those Abilities don't affect it.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 23:05, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
::But what about moves first affected by Normalize and then by either one of those? Would those be affected or not? --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 11:22, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid but a Pokémon cannot have Normalize and Refrigerate/ Aerilate/ Pixilate at the same time. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 11:37, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Yes, but what if it happened via Skill Swap move? Would previously owned Normalize affect newly gained Refrigerate/Aerilate/Pixilate or would the effect of it just fade before the new one would kick in? --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 15:57, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::As soon as the Pokemon doesn't have Normalize as its Ability, its Flying Press simply is not Normal-type anymore. That's how Abilities work.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:32, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

== Octuple Damage? ==

Theoretically, if there was a Pokemon with a 4x weakness to both Fighting and Flying(not that one exists, and with the current type chart it's impossible), could this move deal octuple (8x) damage? Or would it deal sexdectuple (16x) damage? [[User:ForgingIron|ForgingIron]] ([[User talk:ForgingIron|talk]]) 18:42, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
:16× because of math.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 18:59, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
::With Normalize in an Inverse Battle you could do up to 16× damage on a Rock/Steel-type. 32× if it had been affected by Trick-or-Treat. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:15, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Actually Trick-or-Treat would reduce to 8×, because Grass would resist Flying in Inverse Battle. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 09:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Trick-or-Treat adds Ghost. You're thinking of Forest's Curse. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:03, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::Oh right. Doh. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:30, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::: 32x damage? Whoa, talk about overkill :D --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 22:06, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

== Type-enhancing items ==

Do moves that increase the power of Flying-type moves, like Sharp Beak and Flying Gem, work on this move? --[[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 08:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::No. Only moves that increase the power of Fighting-type moves will work.--[[User:V4Victini|V4Victini]] ([[User talk:V4Victini|talk]]) 01:41, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

== Signature move ==

It isn't Hawlucha's signature move for now, because Pikachu Libre knows this move. [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 13:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
:But Pikachu Libre is a special case, only one pikachu in the game can become pikachu libre and then it learns it as a 'special move'. Hawlucha is still the only pokemon that learns it by level up. I say it still counts as Hawlucha's signature move [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:03, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

== Typing ==

Given the typing of this move, it presents the possibility of future moves doing the same, no matter how few. Wouldn't this justify reworking the relevant templates to accept double-type parameters, like the individual Pokemon infoboxes? [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 01:13, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
:Since this is the only one, we won't be needing anything like that ''for now''. When Gen VII introduces more, maybe.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
::Additionally, this move is ''only'' Fighting-type. It has an effect that also gives it the effectiveness of a Flying-type move, but for all other mechanics it is a Fighting-type move. Even if we get more, I don't think we should have an additional display. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:34, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

== Protean? ==

Would it even be worth mentioning what type(s) Protean/Color Change would choose on using/being hit by Flying Press? --[[User:Aescula|Aescula]] ([[User talk:Aescula|talk]]) 11:43, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
:No, since it already says that the move isn't any different from other Fighting-type moves beyond the effectivness. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 13:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

== Type effectiveness - Inverse + Electrify/Normalize ==

Can we also add how this move would be effective in Inverse Battles while under the effects of Electrify or Normalize? I know that would make the listing a bit longer, but we could hide it into dropdown. --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 11:26, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Flying Press (move)

2016-07-24T15:57:15Z

TakeruDavis: /* Aerilate, Pixelate, Refrigerate */

This page is create-protected. Would someone mind redirecting it to the move's page? Thanks. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 04:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Masatoshi|<sc>'''Masatoshi'''</sc>]] [[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:18, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

== STAB ==

So, since this move is, for all intents and purposes, dual type, if it's used by Hawlucha, is Same Type Attack Bonus granted once or twice? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 19:42, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

== Type effectiveness ==

Just for the record, before adding its type effectiveness to the page I experimented in-game and recorded the move's effectiveness against all Pokémon types I could find. No real surprises here, but my results were:

* Normal: 1x against {{p|Dunsparce}}
* Fire: 1x against {{p|Torkoal}}
* Water: 1x against {{p|Panpour}}
* Electric: 1/2x against {{p|Pikachu}}
* Grass: 2x against {{p|Skiddo}}
* Ice: 2x against {{p|Bergmite}}
* Fighting: 2x against {{p|Riolu}}
* Poison: 1/2x against {{p|Seviper}}
* Ground: 1x against {{p|Hippopotas}}
* Flying: 1/2x against {{p|Drifloon}} (after {{m|Foresight}})
* Psychic: 1/2x against {{p|Espurr}}
* Bug: 1x against {{p|Metapod}}
* Rock: 1x against {{p|Roggenrola}}
* Ghost: No effect on {{p|Honedge}}
* Dragon: 1x against {{p|Goomy}}
* Dark: 2x against {{p|Absol}}
* Steel: 1x against {{p|Honedge}} (after Foresight)
* Fairy: 1/2x against {{p|Flabebe}}

--''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 20:47, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay, related to the type effectiveness, should tables be put in for when it's under the effect of Electrify and Normalize for easy reference?
[[User:Arceus42|Just a guy... Arceus42]] ([[User talk:Arceus42|talk]]) 03:17, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
:It is already on the page under the normal type effectiveness. Just click on the text called <nowiki>[show]</nowiki> to see them. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

If the move is used against something that's 2x weak to both Fighting and Flying, say, Abomasnow or Scrafty, will it deal 4x damage? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:57, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
::Would it be acceptable to note this on the page, then? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 20:11, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Nah, it's obvious from the type effectiveness table.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:38, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
::::Is it? The table makes no mention of what happens when both types are weak or resist Flying or Fighting, or conflict. Like, a a Steel and Grass type would take 2x damage since the Flying weakness from Grass and resistance from Steel cancel out, making it weak to Fighting still. A Rock and Flying type takes .5x damage for the reverse reason. If the move is so complex as to demand a table showing the type match-up, I think it would be beneficial to denote what happens in conflicts like these. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 20:42, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:::::The table itself corresponds to which types Flying Press will effect individually as a whole between the two types (Fighting and Flying), meaning whatever is in the x2, x1, x1/2, and x0 categories is already calculated to the effectiveness of Flying Press (so it's really easy math every Pokémon player should know by heart anyway). Helioptle will take neutral damage and you can figure that because Flying Press is x2 against Normal and half against Electric. Gardevoir will take x1/4 damage because both Fairy and Psychic resist Flying Press. Sawsbuck will take x4 damage, Shuckle will take neutral damage, Charizard will take half damage, and Bibarel will take x2 damage. Anything part-Ghost will not be hit at all, because 0 x (insert number) = 0. Spot your types and what damage cat they fall in, and just apply. The damage calculations are right there, so nothing can conflict; you're kind of overthinking it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:41, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

== Aerilate, Pixelate, Refrigerate ==

If the type effectiveness under Electrify and Normalize are on the page, shouldn't the effectiveness under Aerilate, Pixelate, and Refrigerate be there too? [[User:FrankTheTank000|FrankTheTank000]] ([[User talk:FrankTheTank000|talk]]) 23:01, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:Flying Press isn't a Normal-type move, so those Abilities don't affect it.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 23:05, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
::But what about moves first affected by Normalize and then by either one of those? Would those be affected or not? --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 11:22, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid but a Pokémon cannot have Normalize and Refrigerate/ Aerilate/ Pixilate at the same time. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 11:37, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Yes, but what if it happened via Skill Swap move? Would previously owned Normalize affect newly gained Refrigerate/Aerilate/Pixilate or would the effect of it just fade before the new one would kick in? --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 15:57, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

== Octuple Damage? ==

Theoretically, if there was a Pokemon with a 4x weakness to both Fighting and Flying(not that one exists, and with the current type chart it's impossible), could this move deal octuple (8x) damage? Or would it deal sexdectuple (16x) damage? [[User:ForgingIron|ForgingIron]] ([[User talk:ForgingIron|talk]]) 18:42, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
:16× because of math.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 18:59, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
::With Normalize in an Inverse Battle you could do up to 16× damage on a Rock/Steel-type. 32× if it had been affected by Trick-or-Treat. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:15, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Actually Trick-or-Treat would reduce to 8×, because Grass would resist Flying in Inverse Battle. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 09:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Trick-or-Treat adds Ghost. You're thinking of Forest's Curse. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:03, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::Oh right. Doh. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:30, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

== Type-enhancing items ==

Do moves that increase the power of Flying-type moves, like Sharp Beak and Flying Gem, work on this move? --[[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 08:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::No. Only moves that increase the power of Fighting-type moves will work.--[[User:V4Victini|V4Victini]] ([[User talk:V4Victini|talk]]) 01:41, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

== Signature move ==

It isn't Hawlucha's signature move for now, because Pikachu Libre knows this move. [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 13:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
:But Pikachu Libre is a special case, only one pikachu in the game can become pikachu libre and then it learns it as a 'special move'. Hawlucha is still the only pokemon that learns it by level up. I say it still counts as Hawlucha's signature move [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:03, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

== Typing ==

Given the typing of this move, it presents the possibility of future moves doing the same, no matter how few. Wouldn't this justify reworking the relevant templates to accept double-type parameters, like the individual Pokemon infoboxes? [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 01:13, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
:Since this is the only one, we won't be needing anything like that ''for now''. When Gen VII introduces more, maybe.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
::Additionally, this move is ''only'' Fighting-type. It has an effect that also gives it the effectiveness of a Flying-type move, but for all other mechanics it is a Fighting-type move. Even if we get more, I don't think we should have an additional display. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:34, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

== Protean? ==

Would it even be worth mentioning what type(s) Protean/Color Change would choose on using/being hit by Flying Press? --[[User:Aescula|Aescula]] ([[User talk:Aescula|talk]]) 11:43, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
:No, since it already says that the move isn't any different from other Fighting-type moves beyond the effectivness. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 13:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

== Type effectiveness - Inverse + Electrify/Normalize ==

Can we also add how this move would be effective in Inverse Battles while under the effects of Electrify or Normalize? I know that would make the listing a bit longer, but we could hide it into dropdown. --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 11:26, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Flying Press (move)

2016-07-24T11:26:33Z

TakeruDavis: /* Type effectiveness - Inverse + Electrify/Normalize */ new section

This page is create-protected. Would someone mind redirecting it to the move's page? Thanks. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 04:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Masatoshi|<sc>'''Masatoshi'''</sc>]] [[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:18, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

== STAB ==

So, since this move is, for all intents and purposes, dual type, if it's used by Hawlucha, is Same Type Attack Bonus granted once or twice? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 19:42, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

== Type effectiveness ==

Just for the record, before adding its type effectiveness to the page I experimented in-game and recorded the move's effectiveness against all Pokémon types I could find. No real surprises here, but my results were:

* Normal: 1x against {{p|Dunsparce}}
* Fire: 1x against {{p|Torkoal}}
* Water: 1x against {{p|Panpour}}
* Electric: 1/2x against {{p|Pikachu}}
* Grass: 2x against {{p|Skiddo}}
* Ice: 2x against {{p|Bergmite}}
* Fighting: 2x against {{p|Riolu}}
* Poison: 1/2x against {{p|Seviper}}
* Ground: 1x against {{p|Hippopotas}}
* Flying: 1/2x against {{p|Drifloon}} (after {{m|Foresight}})
* Psychic: 1/2x against {{p|Espurr}}
* Bug: 1x against {{p|Metapod}}
* Rock: 1x against {{p|Roggenrola}}
* Ghost: No effect on {{p|Honedge}}
* Dragon: 1x against {{p|Goomy}}
* Dark: 2x against {{p|Absol}}
* Steel: 1x against {{p|Honedge}} (after Foresight)
* Fairy: 1/2x against {{p|Flabebe}}

--''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 20:47, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay, related to the type effectiveness, should tables be put in for when it's under the effect of Electrify and Normalize for easy reference?
[[User:Arceus42|Just a guy... Arceus42]] ([[User talk:Arceus42|talk]]) 03:17, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
:It is already on the page under the normal type effectiveness. Just click on the text called <nowiki>[show]</nowiki> to see them. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

If the move is used against something that's 2x weak to both Fighting and Flying, say, Abomasnow or Scrafty, will it deal 4x damage? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:57, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
::Would it be acceptable to note this on the page, then? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 20:11, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Nah, it's obvious from the type effectiveness table.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:38, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
::::Is it? The table makes no mention of what happens when both types are weak or resist Flying or Fighting, or conflict. Like, a a Steel and Grass type would take 2x damage since the Flying weakness from Grass and resistance from Steel cancel out, making it weak to Fighting still. A Rock and Flying type takes .5x damage for the reverse reason. If the move is so complex as to demand a table showing the type match-up, I think it would be beneficial to denote what happens in conflicts like these. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 20:42, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:::::The table itself corresponds to which types Flying Press will effect individually as a whole between the two types (Fighting and Flying), meaning whatever is in the x2, x1, x1/2, and x0 categories is already calculated to the effectiveness of Flying Press (so it's really easy math every Pokémon player should know by heart anyway). Helioptle will take neutral damage and you can figure that because Flying Press is x2 against Normal and half against Electric. Gardevoir will take x1/4 damage because both Fairy and Psychic resist Flying Press. Sawsbuck will take x4 damage, Shuckle will take neutral damage, Charizard will take half damage, and Bibarel will take x2 damage. Anything part-Ghost will not be hit at all, because 0 x (insert number) = 0. Spot your types and what damage cat they fall in, and just apply. The damage calculations are right there, so nothing can conflict; you're kind of overthinking it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:41, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

== Aerilate, Pixelate, Refrigerate ==

If the type effectiveness under Electrify and Normalize are on the page, shouldn't the effectiveness under Aerilate, Pixelate, and Refrigerate be there too? [[User:FrankTheTank000|FrankTheTank000]] ([[User talk:FrankTheTank000|talk]]) 23:01, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:Flying Press isn't a Normal-type move, so those Abilities don't affect it.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 23:05, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
::But what about moves first affected by Normalize and then by either one of those? Would those be affected or not? --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 11:22, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

== Octuple Damage? ==

Theoretically, if there was a Pokemon with a 4x weakness to both Fighting and Flying(not that one exists, and with the current type chart it's impossible), could this move deal octuple (8x) damage? Or would it deal sexdectuple (16x) damage? [[User:ForgingIron|ForgingIron]] ([[User talk:ForgingIron|talk]]) 18:42, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
:16× because of math.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 18:59, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
::With Normalize in an Inverse Battle you could do up to 16× damage on a Rock/Steel-type. 32× if it had been affected by Trick-or-Treat. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:15, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Actually Trick-or-Treat would reduce to 8×, because Grass would resist Flying in Inverse Battle. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 09:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Trick-or-Treat adds Ghost. You're thinking of Forest's Curse. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:03, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::Oh right. Doh. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:30, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

== Type-enhancing items ==

Do moves that increase the power of Flying-type moves, like Sharp Beak and Flying Gem, work on this move? --[[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 08:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::No. Only moves that increase the power of Fighting-type moves will work.--[[User:V4Victini|V4Victini]] ([[User talk:V4Victini|talk]]) 01:41, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

== Signature move ==

It isn't Hawlucha's signature move for now, because Pikachu Libre knows this move. [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 13:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
:But Pikachu Libre is a special case, only one pikachu in the game can become pikachu libre and then it learns it as a 'special move'. Hawlucha is still the only pokemon that learns it by level up. I say it still counts as Hawlucha's signature move [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:03, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

== Typing ==

Given the typing of this move, it presents the possibility of future moves doing the same, no matter how few. Wouldn't this justify reworking the relevant templates to accept double-type parameters, like the individual Pokemon infoboxes? [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 01:13, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
:Since this is the only one, we won't be needing anything like that ''for now''. When Gen VII introduces more, maybe.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
::Additionally, this move is ''only'' Fighting-type. It has an effect that also gives it the effectiveness of a Flying-type move, but for all other mechanics it is a Fighting-type move. Even if we get more, I don't think we should have an additional display. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:34, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

== Protean? ==

Would it even be worth mentioning what type(s) Protean/Color Change would choose on using/being hit by Flying Press? --[[User:Aescula|Aescula]] ([[User talk:Aescula|talk]]) 11:43, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
:No, since it already says that the move isn't any different from other Fighting-type moves beyond the effectivness. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 13:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

== Type effectiveness - Inverse + Electrify/Normalize ==

Can we also add how this move would be effective in Inverse Battles while under the effects of Electrify or Normalize? I know that would make the listing a bit longer, but we could hide it into dropdown. --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 11:26, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Flying Press (move)

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This page is create-protected. Would someone mind redirecting it to the move's page? Thanks. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 04:19, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Masatoshi|<sc>'''Masatoshi'''</sc>]] [[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:18, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

== STAB ==

So, since this move is, for all intents and purposes, dual type, if it's used by Hawlucha, is Same Type Attack Bonus granted once or twice? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 19:42, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

== Type effectiveness ==

Just for the record, before adding its type effectiveness to the page I experimented in-game and recorded the move's effectiveness against all Pokémon types I could find. No real surprises here, but my results were:

* Normal: 1x against {{p|Dunsparce}}
* Fire: 1x against {{p|Torkoal}}
* Water: 1x against {{p|Panpour}}
* Electric: 1/2x against {{p|Pikachu}}
* Grass: 2x against {{p|Skiddo}}
* Ice: 2x against {{p|Bergmite}}
* Fighting: 2x against {{p|Riolu}}
* Poison: 1/2x against {{p|Seviper}}
* Ground: 1x against {{p|Hippopotas}}
* Flying: 1/2x against {{p|Drifloon}} (after {{m|Foresight}})
* Psychic: 1/2x against {{p|Espurr}}
* Bug: 1x against {{p|Metapod}}
* Rock: 1x against {{p|Roggenrola}}
* Ghost: No effect on {{p|Honedge}}
* Dragon: 1x against {{p|Goomy}}
* Dark: 2x against {{p|Absol}}
* Steel: 1x against {{p|Honedge}} (after Foresight)
* Fairy: 1/2x against {{p|Flabebe}}

--''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 20:47, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay, related to the type effectiveness, should tables be put in for when it's under the effect of Electrify and Normalize for easy reference?
[[User:Arceus42|Just a guy... Arceus42]] ([[User talk:Arceus42|talk]]) 03:17, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
:It is already on the page under the normal type effectiveness. Just click on the text called <nowiki>[show]</nowiki> to see them. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

If the move is used against something that's 2x weak to both Fighting and Flying, say, Abomasnow or Scrafty, will it deal 4x damage? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:57, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
::Would it be acceptable to note this on the page, then? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 20:11, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Nah, it's obvious from the type effectiveness table.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 20:38, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
::::Is it? The table makes no mention of what happens when both types are weak or resist Flying or Fighting, or conflict. Like, a a Steel and Grass type would take 2x damage since the Flying weakness from Grass and resistance from Steel cancel out, making it weak to Fighting still. A Rock and Flying type takes .5x damage for the reverse reason. If the move is so complex as to demand a table showing the type match-up, I think it would be beneficial to denote what happens in conflicts like these. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 20:42, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
:::::The table itself corresponds to which types Flying Press will effect individually as a whole between the two types (Fighting and Flying), meaning whatever is in the x2, x1, x1/2, and x0 categories is already calculated to the effectiveness of Flying Press (so it's really easy math every Pokémon player should know by heart anyway). Helioptle will take neutral damage and you can figure that because Flying Press is x2 against Normal and half against Electric. Gardevoir will take x1/4 damage because both Fairy and Psychic resist Flying Press. Sawsbuck will take x4 damage, Shuckle will take neutral damage, Charizard will take half damage, and Bibarel will take x2 damage. Anything part-Ghost will not be hit at all, because 0 x (insert number) = 0. Spot your types and what damage cat they fall in, and just apply. The damage calculations are right there, so nothing can conflict; you're kind of overthinking it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:41, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

== Aerilate, Pixelate, Refrigerate ==

If the type effectiveness under Electrify and Normalize are on the page, shouldn't the effectiveness under Aerilate, Pixelate, and Refrigerate be there too? [[User:FrankTheTank000|FrankTheTank000]] ([[User talk:FrankTheTank000|talk]]) 23:01, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
:Flying Press isn't a Normal-type move, so those Abilities don't affect it.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 23:05, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
::But what about moves first affected by Normalize and then by either one of those? Would those be affected or not? --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 11:22, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

== Octuple Damage? ==

Theoretically, if there was a Pokemon with a 4x weakness to both Fighting and Flying(not that one exists, and with the current type chart it's impossible), could this move deal octuple (8x) damage? Or would it deal sexdectuple (16x) damage? [[User:ForgingIron|ForgingIron]] ([[User talk:ForgingIron|talk]]) 18:42, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
:16× because of math.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 18:59, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
::With Normalize in an Inverse Battle you could do up to 16× damage on a Rock/Steel-type. 32× if it had been affected by Trick-or-Treat. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:15, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Actually Trick-or-Treat would reduce to 8×, because Grass would resist Flying in Inverse Battle. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 09:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Trick-or-Treat adds Ghost. You're thinking of Forest's Curse. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:03, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::Oh right. Doh. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:30, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

== Type-enhancing items ==

Do moves that increase the power of Flying-type moves, like Sharp Beak and Flying Gem, work on this move? --[[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[Special:Contributions/Flicky|1991]] 08:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::No. Only moves that increase the power of Fighting-type moves will work.--[[User:V4Victini|V4Victini]] ([[User talk:V4Victini|talk]]) 01:41, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

== Signature move ==

It isn't Hawlucha's signature move for now, because Pikachu Libre knows this move. [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 13:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
:But Pikachu Libre is a special case, only one pikachu in the game can become pikachu libre and then it learns it as a 'special move'. Hawlucha is still the only pokemon that learns it by level up. I say it still counts as Hawlucha's signature move [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 20:03, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

== Typing ==

Given the typing of this move, it presents the possibility of future moves doing the same, no matter how few. Wouldn't this justify reworking the relevant templates to accept double-type parameters, like the individual Pokemon infoboxes? [[User:Draceon|Draceon]] ([[User talk:Draceon|talk]]) 01:13, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
:Since this is the only one, we won't be needing anything like that ''for now''. When Gen VII introduces more, maybe.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
::Additionally, this move is ''only'' Fighting-type. It has an effect that also gives it the effectiveness of a Flying-type move, but for all other mechanics it is a Fighting-type move. Even if we get more, I don't think we should have an additional display. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:34, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

== Protean? ==

Would it even be worth mentioning what type(s) Protean/Color Change would choose on using/being hit by Flying Press? --[[User:Aescula|Aescula]] ([[User talk:Aescula|talk]]) 11:43, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
:No, since it already says that the move isn't any different from other Fighting-type moves beyond the effectivness. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 13:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

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Pathless Plain

2015-11-19T12:16:35Z

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The '''Pathless Plain''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|名もなき平原|なもなきへいげん}}''' ''Nameless Plain'') is an island in the [[Hoenn]] region located south of [[Pacifidlog Town]] in [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]. It is only accessible by [[Soaring in the sky|soaring]] on {{p|Latios}}{{sup/6|OR}} or {{p|Latias}}{{sup/6|AS}} and appears when the player has three Pokémon with 510 {{EV}}s on their team.

At the north end of the Pathless Plain floats a "mysterious ring". The player may interact with this ring to battle {{p|Cobalion}}, {{p|Terrakion}}, or {{p|Virizion}}, depending upon the [[Days of the week|day of the week]] set in the 3DS when the Pathless Plain was landed on; if the player remains on the Pathless Plain when the day changes, the Pokémon that appears from the portal will not change until they leave and revisit the island.

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==In other languages==
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|fr_eu=Plaine Sans Nom
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|it=Piana Senza Nome
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Trackless Forest

2015-11-19T12:15:35Z

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The '''Trackless Forest''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|未開の森|みかいのもり}}''' ''Primeval Forest'') is a location in the [[Hoenn]] region located east of [[Petalburg Woods]] (or southeast of [[Rustboro City]]) in [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]. It is only accessible by [[Soaring in the sky|soaring]] on {{p|Latios}}{{sup/6|OR}} or {{p|Latias}}{{sup/6|AS}} and appears when the player has either {{p|Ho-Oh}} or {{p|Lugia}} on their team.

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Pathless Plain

2015-11-19T12:08:10Z

TakeruDavis: Added schedule table like Nameless Cavern and Trackless Forest has

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The '''Pathless Plain''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|名もなき平原|なもなきへいげん}}''' ''Nameless Plain'') is an island in the [[Hoenn]] region located south of [[Pacifidlog Town]] in [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]. It is only accessible by [[Soaring in the sky|soaring]] on {{p|Latios}}{{sup/6|OR}} or {{p|Latias}}{{sup/6|AS}} and appears when the player has three Pokémon with 510 {{EV}}s on their team.

At the north end of the Pathless Plain floats a "mysterious ring". The player may interact with this ring to battle {{p|Cobalion}}, {{p|Terrakion}}, or {{p|Virizion}}, depending upon the [[Days of the week|day of the week]] set in the 3DS when the Pathless Plain was landed on; if the player remains on the Pathless Plain when the day changes, the Pokémon that appears from the portal will not change until they leave and revisit the island.

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==Pokémon==
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{{catch/div|land|Special}}
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{{Catch/entryoras|640|Virizion|yes|yes|Special|50|One{{dotw|Mo}}{{dotw|Th}}|type1=Grass|type2=Fighting}}
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|de=Namenlose Ebene
|it=Piana Senza Nome
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2015-02-16T19:55:00Z

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Talk:Kyogre (Pokémon)

2014-12-25T22:17:59Z

TakeruDavis: /* Can someone describe their forms first? */

==Moveset==

It doesn't learn Hyper Beam other than TM. Look at the Moveset. {{unsigned|Dark Sage}}
:That means nothing to the anime, where a Pokémon is capable of anything in its movelist (as TMs don't exist). Like Pikachu with Iron Tail (TM move) and Chikorita with Vine Whip (Egg move). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
::Oh. Ok. {{unsigned|Dark Sage}}

==God of Water?==

Never once do the games or anime suggest that Kyogre, Groudon, or Rayquaza are gods. Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and Arceus are considered gods, but not the weather trio. As such, this trivia is pure speculations and has not merit. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 16:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:It ''created the ocean''. In ancient Egypt, they used to consider the Nile River like a god because it was that basis of their civilization. I think creating the entire ocean is enough for someone to call it a god... Although I guess you have a point, it's never actually been considered a god... So let's just try and avoid the god title... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 00:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::It may have created the ocean, it may not have. It obviously has drastic effects upon the nature of the oceans when it's powers are unleashed. However, it was never called a god in-game nor in-anime nor in-manga, no matter how god-like it is, it can't be considered a god. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 00:44, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes... I just said that. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 00:46, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] I would presume the weather trio are just incredibly influential on nature. Arceus is the only Pokemon anywhere near a god. Dialga and Palkia are only considered so because of the spacetime control. I think Giratina has something to do with antimatter so it and the Distortion World are just a balance to the regular matter universe. {{unsigned|494alex}}

== Anime Page ==

Hey, we all know anime pages refer to Pokémon that appear in a Pokémon movie. Since movie 9 is the only time it appeared, I suggest an anime page should be made about it. I know it only appeared around the end of movie 9 and didn't have much to do in the movie, but how about we do make the anime page? Oh, and not to annoy people, I won't make unless and until we decide to make it.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 05:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:It had only appeared in the end of the movie like what you have said and the length of its appearance was way too short for it to become notable. ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 06:23, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

You're right... I was thinking of comparing the way it appeared to Regigigas in movie 11... even though I haven't seen that movie, it seems that [[Regigigas (anime)|its anime page]] says that it had a bigger appearance, huh? I guess an anime page shouldn't be made, then.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 05:58, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==Trivia Section==
You see where it says in Rayquaza Kyogre and Groudon's Trivia section that they are the only version mascot legendaries without signature moves, shouldn't it also be said that this is probably because they have signature ABILITIES instead? I mean I don't any other Pokémon with Drizzle, Drought or Air Lock (thouh the Psyduck family have Cloud Nine, which does the same thing as Ray's ability). All other version mascot legendaries have Pressure, except Giratina Origin Forme which has Levitate. {{unsigned|494alex}}
Good point. and remeber to sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 15:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

==Shadow Kyogre image==
Moonlight Umbreon:i have a shadow kyogre image!I just don't know how to put it in that page. {{unsigned|Moonlight umbreon}}
:You need to upload it [[a:Special:Upload|on the Bulbagarden Archives]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:40, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia Error ==
Did/Does Suicune have a signature move? According to the trivia, all legendary mascots have had one except for this generation's. The Groudon page also has a similar error. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 02:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:No, Suicune doesn't have a [[signature move]], (although it is associated with {{m|Aurora Beam}}) the article already says this-"Kyogre, along with Groudon, '''Suicune''' and Rayquaza, are the only legendary Pokémon who are the version mascot of a main game, but lack a signature move." --[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 02:44, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

==Hidden Tower==
Do you need the Kyorge from HG or any Kyorge?--[[User:Skymin23|FlyingSkymin23]] 00:28, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:The Kyogre from HG. [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 00:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
::OK, I guess i need both games.--[[User:Skymin23|FlyingSkymin23]] 00:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== Origin ==

I noticed similarities between Kyogre and the First Nations mythological Kumugwe.
Kumugwe is the Kwakwaka'wakw god of the sea. One of his most important totem animals is the Orca and masks of him are depicted as blue with red trim and white bits with fish eyes and gills.
(example:
http://www.corbisimages.com/images/67/FF6837EF-9628-422A-8FE9-625CD130F6EE/IH011593.jpg
)
Is this worth noting at all or am I just crazy?
[[User:GLBX|GLBX]] 05:24, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

A lot of Pokemon seem to be based on mythological figures/animals, there was a faq on Gamefaqs for some of the older games detailing each Pokemon's origin themes.[[User:Tesseract|Tesseract]] 09:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Inspiration ==

The article states that Kyogre's design draws inspiration from whales, namely the Orca. But to me, it looks like it also has some similarities to [http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/food/ic/food_16x9_608/foods/m/monkfish_16x9.jpg Monkfish], namely the body shape and it's mouth. What do you guys think? [[User:LordHeinz|LordHeinz]] 14:36, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

== Image Distorting Page ==

On my browser it appears that Kyogre's art is too wide and is stretching the page out to the right, taking the various stat boxes out of the right margins of the template. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 16:15, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

== Adding Kyogre as mascot of Alpha Sapphire ==

can someone add him as the mascot of Alpha Sapphire

same goes to Groudon {{unsigned|PortalDark}}
:Added to both. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:17, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

== lockdown ==

is it worth locking down this and groudons page so we dont have editwars or fan speculation {{unsigned|Thegrassmaster}}
:The pages have been protected for quite some time now. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 18:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

== Can someone describe their forms first? ==

Though we are all foggy on the details of Groudon's and Kyogre's Primal forms, could someone start off by describing the forms in detail in the Biology section of both articles? [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 20:05, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
:This really isn't that good, but it's a start for someone to make better! "When in it's Primal forme, Kyogre more than doubles in size, and becomes darker blue in color. It's red stripes are now light blue with seven extra stripes on its body; one that begins with a pattern similar to the one on each fin starting from its face leading to its tail, with two further stripes leading from the large spots above its eyes into the central stripe three quarters of the way down its body. The central stripe The trailing parts have the final four new stripes, trailing through the middle of each trailing part." --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 20:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

::So, Shiny Kyogre reverts to black Primal Kyogre--[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 22:17, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Under [[Kyogre (Pokémon)#Trophy Information]], would someone like to change <code><nowiki>[[OHKO|faint instantly]]</nowiki></code> to <code><nowiki>[[one-hit knockout move|faint instantly]]</nowiki></code>? ("Information" probably also shouldn't be capitalized...) Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:53, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Primal Kyogre's Ability does not translate to "Rain" of Beginnings, it translates to Sea of Beginnings. Could someone fix it? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:51, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

If someone could add the Smash 3DS trophy description, which is:
:''This Water-type Pokémon roughly resembles an orca whale, though its large fins also look a bit like hands. Be wary of its Hydro Pump attack, which is capable of sending you flying off the stage. Even worse, it will chase after you, making it harder to recover from the attack.'' [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 23:35, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

== Weight ==

Ummmmmm can someone add "Primal Kyogre is the Heaviest Water-Type Pokemon"? I know this is now the heaviest Water-Type pokemon. It used to be Wailord. --[[User:HoennLove200|HoennLove200]] ([[User talk:HoennLove200|talk]]) 02:06, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Mewtwo (Pokémon)

2014-04-18T11:19:43Z

TakeruDavis: /* Mewtwo battle music */ new section

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== Lucario ==

Nice touch with the line about it not evolving given all the speculation about Lucario. ([[User:Argy|Argy]])

These pages deal with known data, not random speculation. On top of that, there is no history of any legendary Pokemon evolving.
--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 00:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That was what I was referring to- the random, unfounded speculation going on at various forums. Before I saw that all non-evolving Pokemon had that line, I thought it was a nice touch to emphasize reality. ([[User:Argy|Argy]])

== Movie ==

Wait a minute... what was the second movie Mewtwo was the subject in? (Given Mewtwo Strikes Back is the first) If there was one before it, is there a reason it isn't listed in the movie section? -OmegaPlatinum

:[[Mewtwo Returns]]. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 12:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

::And the only reason why it wasn't listed in the movie section was because it really wasn't a movie. It was a TV special under the same lines of [[Raikou: The Legend Of Thunder]]. 4Kids thought that they could change the wording and certain dialogue so it WOULD seem like an ACTUAL movie even though it really wasn't.

::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

==only one==
is there only one mewtwo or is there more?
:One per game. One in the anime. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

In the Anime, yes there WAS only one, but it was hinted that they could have made many more of his species had he not destroyed their lab (Random scientist: Very Good, Excellent! Let's work on Mewthree!
-Pokemon the first movie). And as for the games, yes, they made it quite clear in the games that Mewtwo is unique and one of a kind (the stadium games and the Mystery dungeon series don't count [and by stadium games, I mean just Pokemon Stadium ZERO (the unreleased japanese version), Pokemon Stadium, and Pokemon Stadium 2. I consider Colosseum/XD/Battle Revolution to be a different series from Stadium.].)

[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

But in FireRed and LeafGreen, they never mentioned about making another Mew clone. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 14:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, they never had it appear in Gold/Silver, they never had it appear in the Colosseum games, they never even had it appear in the Ranger games. the only games it appeared in besides Gen I and it's remakes is the Mystery Dungeon series and the Stadium games, which really don't count in regards to the games canon (heck, the Mystery dungeon games don't even take PLACE on the main Pokemon world.). and of course they didn't mention making another mew clone, because Mewtwo blew up the place before they could even record the idea. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 15:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== "Born" or "created" ==

Nevermind, I found them. I was mistaken and Mew did give birth to Mewtwo.--[[User:Ceol|Ceol]] 16:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:No, Mew did not physically give birth to Mewtwo. Mewtwo is a genetically inhanced clone of Mew. The whole concept of "Mew gave birth" is a metaphor for the fact that after a long time of creating clones of Mew that didn't survive the cloning process, the scientists were finally able to create a living clone from Mew's DNA. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, but a clone once created, must be implanted on a mother's womb to survive and grow. So, mew actually ''gave birth to Mewtwo''. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 23:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Mewtwo was never in or near Mew when he was created. He was in his cloning tank until he finally broke it open when he was grown. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 20:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Go and read about cloning in the read world and you'll understand. Don't guide yourself by the anime. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 23:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:I know about cloning in the real world, thank you. But by the anime, Mewtwo was in a tank for the first part of his life and no where else. And because he is a fictional cartoon/video game character, there is no other side to the story, meaning if being implanted wasn't shown or mentioned, then it didn't happen. People can make up theories of what they assume is truth but assuming is not truth and fictional characters don't have alternative sides because they are not real. And even if Mew "gave birth", how did the scientists get their hands on a Mew to implant Mewtwo? It was only mentioned that they found a fossilized eyebrow of a Mew. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::“Mew gave birth” is only in the games. Things from the show (eyebrow, tank etc.) are not relevant to how the ''games'' do things. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 05:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:::The anime is based off of the games and the anime goes indepth with almost everything in Pokemon. It was never mentioned in the game how Mewtwo was cloned or if he was implanted. "Mew gave birth" is considered a metaphor for the fact that the scientists were finally able to successfully create a clone of Mew. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 15:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::::False. The anime is LOSELY based off the games. Hence the anime's Magnemites and Koffings don't need "partners" of the same specie in order to evolve, Red and Green are named Ash and Gary, and Mewtwo is a clone which wasn't created on Cinnabar Island. {{unsigned|Spideym}}
:::::The anime is based on the games in therms of major events, such as catching Pokémon, battling, encountering some characters, etc., not because of it shows some Pokémon before the time (such as Kecleon or Wynaut) it goes in depth of everything on Pokémon, it means that it is just media where Satoshi Tajiri wants to give an update of what's coming. So, according to the games (and basing on how cloning works on real world), Mewtwo was born from Mew. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 01:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::Choose to believe what you want but Mewtwo was cloned in the anime and the games and was not technically born. Mewtwo's Red and Blue entry "It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments" meaning it was cloned. It was never stated that Mewtwo was inplanted in Mew and there is no proof of that. The book that said "Mew gave birth" is all you have to go by and it's most likely a metaphor and not a literal statement.--'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Cloned and born is the same. There is no clone that grows in a tank. If the anime showed something like that is just because it's children-oriented and some children just don't know how they born. Also I don't think it's important either, this looks like a forum thread. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
:You and I both know that the Pokémon world works differently from our own. So, having a clone grow inside a tank in the Pokémon world is highly possible considering all the other technology that is used. And clones are different from naturally created creatures. They are not created the same way. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:34, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
:: To be honest, as much as we say giving birth is a metaphor, etc. At the end of the day, things stated as fact in the anime are NOT considered to be true in the games. In the games, disregarding all evidence from the anime, we are told nothing about Mewtwo's creation other than that it was cloned (I think this first appears in Yellow's dex, but I'm not sure) and that Mew gave birth to it. We also know that these two events are possible to both be true. Additionally, I seem to recall the information about Mew giving birth to Mewtwo being written in someone's log of events - it seems unlikely that they would use metaphors in a log of events. Basically, what I'm trying to say is, based on the evidence exhibited in the games, NOT IN THE ANIME, clearly, Mewtwo was cloned from Mew, and Mew gave birth to Mewtwo.- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] ([[User talk:Gastly's mama|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gastly's mama|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::Unless you can prove its a metaphor, its stays. It gave birth. Says so in the game, and last time i checked, this is the game article.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::::You make it sound like Mewtwo was conceived. "It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments."-Mewtwo's Red/Blue Pokédex entry. Technically by this, Mewtwo was created by a scientist after years of DNA experiments. All of Mewtwo's Pokédex entries except Yellow, Gold, Silver, and Stadium 2; mention something about genetic mutation and engineering. It was never stated that after the scientific genetic engineering, Mewtwo was implanted into Mew. Sure, in the real world, a clone is implanted into a parent, but you and i know that the real world and the Pokémon world can be quite different from each other. And with this being an encyclopedia, you can't just assume something took place because that's what would really happen. Either it was a metaphor refering to the fact that after years of attempting to successfully clone something from Mew, the scientists were finally able to create something (something being born of Mew's DNA), or Nintendo/GameFreak really wanted to confuse people on how Mewtwo was created, in the games anyway. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 01:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:I will find the screenshot. it Literally says "Mew gave Birth TYoday, we called it Mewtwo. Check in fir red, journal on the third floor.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:: What I was trying to say was that (in agreement with DCM) since in the games it says that it was both spliced (pokedex entry) and born (pokemon journal), and we know it is possible for both to happen at once, surely the only reasonable conclusion to draw
is that both DID happen? [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:39, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny coloration ==

Just stating that the gold may have been a poor excuse for a type of olive green or the such, and they decided to define it more in the coming generations. - [[User:JWhitt|J]][[User_talk:JWhitt|Whitt]] 13:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Wait, how do you get a shiny Mewtwo in Gold and Silver?[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 17:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::I'm not 100% sure but i think that if your Mewtwo has an IV value less than 8 in your blue, red, or yellow game, and you trade him over to your silver, gold, or crystal game, it will become shiny. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 18:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

:::What's with this green coloration? I thought it was black. Or is that just the Mewtwo i obtained through a Brainboy cheat device? It looks black on the GBC screen, and on Pokémon stadium 2 in both the stadium and during gameboy mode. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 02:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

::::So can anyone tell me whats with the difference. I'm kind of figuring that somewhere in the extraction process the sprites colors were messed up. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 19:37, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

==Dodging Balls==
I haven't seen ANYTHING on this page pointing out that Mewtwo would actually dodge Poké Balls in Red, Blue, and Yellow. I think it should be included, since it's the only catchable Pokémon that's ever done so. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:The only Pokemon that dodges Poke Balls is the ghost Marowak. Poke Balls thrown at Mewtwo can miss, yes, which is different from "break out without shaking"—but this is the case for any "special" Pokemon in RBY, including Snorlax. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 22:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::A pokemon that has Dug, Flown, etc cant be caught, and I distinctly remember Zapdos pokeballs--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]
:::Not true. I found a wild {{p|Diglett}} using {{m|Dig}}. I caught it. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::::In the original games?--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]
:::::In the original games, and in fact all games, Dig and Fly make no difference in whether a monster can dodge the ball. It is based solely on whether the encounter is special (legends, Snorlax) or if the player is in the Safari Zone. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 01:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
In the original games, there was a very slim chance of Pokémon dodging, see [[Poké Ball#Poké Ball Accuracy|this article]] for details. It's limited to Safari Zone, Snorlax and Legendaries (which would include Mewtwo). ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 22:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:I'm sure it wasn't that slim. I remember (unless using Master Ball) having to put all legendaries to sleep before the ball would hit them. Snorlax too, but it wasn't exactly difficult to get Snorlax to sleep... [[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 21:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC) [[User:Gastly's Mama|Gastly's Mama]]

== Diet... ==

No one is really quite sure if Mewtwo even eats, so shouldn't something be done about the diet section? We've never really seen Mewtwo eat. [[User:Animine|Animine]] 01:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:Pokémon food's the basic answer for it all. Plus, um, try feeding poffin or Pokéblocks to Mewtwo, it eats those in the games. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== Manga... ==

{{spoilers}}
The Mewtwo in Special is actually quite a prominent character, having appeared in the series which starred Red as a main character. While it doesn't make much of an appearance in the RGB saga, it actually makes a difference in the Yellow saga, with Yellow imitating the Psywave attack to supposedly defeat Lance. Even after that, in the FRLG saga, Mewtwo actually becomes part of the crew, having defeated R once, rescued Green's parents, beating the shit out of Deoxys and being the main reason why Red, Blue, Green, Yellow and Silver were turned to stone. So why not have an extra page for it? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 09:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

:Sounds like a good idea go for it's recurring Pokémon.--[[Santa Claus|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 00:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Super Smash Bros Melee ==

Isn't "''Mewtwo is considered to be the poorest character when played at the highest metagame. It is easy to knock off the stage due to its large body and light weight. In addition, Mewtwo is slow, does not have any fast defensive options and also has general problems with some of its other moves. This all leads to Mewtwo's position in the bottom tier.''" an opinion? I thought we are supposed to represent a neutral point of view? In my opinion Mewtwo actually ''isn't'' that bad. [[User:Firestorm|--Fire]][[User talk:Firestorm|storm]] 03:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:What you're saying is a personal opinion. What you've quoted is actually considered to be true by a lot of people, plus it's almost all true anyway - Mewtwo is slower than Ganondorf, Has NO offensive moves (besides Shadow Ball, which takes forever to charge, and then loses it if you get hit in the middle of charging), and falls about as fast as Metal Mario. Personally, I remember him being a heavyweight, but...yea. He pretty much sucked all by himself Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 21:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::Pretty much everything metagame is an opinion, so.... eh. If it was me, I'd delete it, though. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:12, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Everything that's been said is true, but Firestorm does have a point. The text seems opinionated. [[User:Animine|EcksAcksisAnimine]] 22:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Game Bio ==

So...how do we know that Cerulean Cave collapsed, and all that other stuff afterwards? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Psigon}} ([[User talk:Psigon|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psigon|contribs]]) ''
:Because of the events that occurred in Gen II, three years after Gen I. And please, sign your comments on talk pages. It makes it easier for everyone :D — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:49, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Similarity to Giegue/Giygas ==

Is it worth mentioning that Mewtwo has a similar appearance to Giygas [http://earthbound.wikia.com/wiki/Giygas] from the Mother series' form in the original Mother? Obviously the whole "resembles Freeza from Dragon Ball Z" thing is way too out of whack, but both Mewtwo and Giygas have various similarities, including the tails, the ears, the similar bad tempers, the white bodies and the fact that the team that worked on the Mother series also worked on the Pokémon series.--[[User:Jake|Jake]] 16:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Do we have any... real art of Giygas that actually shows him as a whole being? That's tiny art at best, and at that size, Gold looks like Red. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::Real art, no and I will admit that it having "similar ears" is a bit sketchy, but it's confirmed to have a tail in the game via dialogue. The tail is fairly visible if you mainly look at the Mewtwo looking thing in the middle and not the orb/shield thing around it.--[[User:Jake|Jake]] 14:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

== false info? ==

The article says mewtwo is the first pokemon to use a genII move, but i think that's false.

for one thing I'm pretty sure Mewtwo doesn't use that spherical attack until his battle with mew.

From how Mewtwo acts using psychic in Stadium, and given that psychic can be in a spherical form it might just be psychic he's using.

Donphan uses Rollout at the opening battle. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 19:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well how are you so sure Donphan is using Rollout? We have just as much evidence that it uses Rollout as Mewtwo's using Shadow Ball: on the basis that it looks like that traditional attack. Also, SSBM Mewtwo, who is obviously based on the movie Mewtwo, has Shadow Ball as an attack. I will give you that Donphan most likely displayed the first Gen II move but Mewtwo most likely used Shadow Ball. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::Well it does get hard to tell when the creators can't keep a conform appearance to moves. Psychic has been used as balls of energy, common levelitation of the opponent then throwing the opponent. I think its even been used as a force field.

::I'm pretty sure Donphan takes the goal for first II gen move used. If i remember the beginning of the movie right, mewtwo mostly just used shock wave like attacks and levitation. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Levitation. That's how Psychic is shown in the anime. Mewtwo definitely used Shadow Ball. But Donphan did technically use Rollout earlier in the movie. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::::In DP102 they had psychic used as balls in combination with something if i remember. Either way we should remove the Trivia right? Someone else will have to do it, i for some reason keep getting logged out and getting the view source screen. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::It was with Will-O-Wisp. And Psychic is used to move things, keep things from moving, and stuff like that. And don't take it out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Its Obvious that Donphan used Rollout before Mewtwo got into it with mew. Donphan's article even mentions it used rollout in the movie [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

:And now you're jumping around.... but we need more than just your opinion on it before we do anything. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Its not my oppinion, even TTE said Donphan used Rollout earlier in the movie. A mod and a article both says that a move was used by donphan who does it before mewtwo so the Trivia is false. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::Well then take it out. Don't just sit there talking about taking it out. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I did remove it, and as i said before Editing is difficult at the moment with the system going buggy with timeouts, session loss data and stuff. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 21:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== Three 'segments'? ==

What are the segments that the Trivia talks about? -[[User:Smeargle|Smeargle]] 12:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

:Removed... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

== Ruby/Sapphire, FireRed/LeafGreen Sprites ==

The Ruby and Sapphire sprite for Mewtwo is the same as the FireRed and LeafGreen sprite, so is there a reason to why [[Image:Spr 3f 150.png]] and it's Shiny counterpart do not have Sprites uploaded?
If it's because they are the same, then why hasn't the Sprite Template for Mewtwo been edited so it just shows the same image for Ruby & Sapphire as for FireRed & LeafGreen? Just a thought... [[User:ASecondOpinion1501|ASecondOpinion1501]] 15:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:If they are ''exactly'' the same then the page on the archives needs to be redirected to the RS sprite, rather than the same sprite being uploaded again. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you for replying to me quickly. How does one redirect an Archive Page to another one because all it does is ask me to upload a fresh image? Apologies for the possible n00bish sound to this. Thanks - [[User:ASecondOpinion1501|ASecondOpinion1501]] 19:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
:::All done :D thanks.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:46, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Interwiki ==

I've just done the interwiki from Italian to English, why doesn't the software read the interwiki from Italian to English? The Italian version is: http://www.pcentral.eu/wiki/Mewtwo {{unsigned|Abcd}}
:Pcentral wiki is not a member of the [[Encyclopaediae Pokémonis]]. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:24, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS ==

The standard sprite: 150.png, is different from the sprite in the sprite box for HGSS. Which one is correct? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:whats different, aside from the animation? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::What animation? Just, which one is used in HGSS? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::now youre genuinely confusing me. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::The sprites are different for 150.png and the uploaded HGSS sprite. Which one is the ''real'', used in HGSS, sprite? Or is it just my stupid Internet Explorer? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::most likely your stupid IE, but in the same vein, they should still appear the same, im going to look into this. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Looks like the animated version doesn't use the stationary sprite for the first frame, so it appears different. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== Saybleye ==

Do you you think that this article should mention is the trivia that the fire+leaf mewtwo can't hurt saybleye? I know it is pretty irrelevent, but if I would have known that, then I would have another master ball. as a note, spirtitomb is also immune, but he is in gen. 4 {{unsigned|The snargret guy}}
:Eh. It might be. What are its moves when it's found? Psychic, Mist, Safeguard, and Recover? It's been so long since I caught one. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:42, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
swift, recover, phychic and something else, it's only damaging attacks are swift and psychic ([[User:The snargret guy|The snargret guy]] 23:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC))
:Add it if you want, then. You might need another opinion though, because I agree, it is minor. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::I don't think it's something worth mentioning. The Pokémon are in mutually exclusive games. If you could get Sableye or Spiritomb in FRLG without trading then it would be borderline still, but it's a no. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
@ The snargret guy, it's moveset in FR/LG is Swift, Safeguard, Psychic and Recover. Ok?
([[User:HexagonBlastoise|HexagonBlastoise]] 14:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC))

== Trivia==

In Pokemon HG and SS Mewtwo's battle song is a remix of Pokemon Diamond and Pearl's wild battle song. -[[User:Pkmn master|Pkmn master]] 11:35:39, 13 Febuary 2010
:Uh.. no it's not. It's battle song is the same as any other Wild Pokémon in Kanto.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 16:39, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Amber/Movie Content ==

I don't think the whole Amber/"Mewtwo Returns" stuff should be mentioned here. That part has nothing to do with the games and it was added to the story of the first movie much later. Maybe the whole movie content shouldn't be mentioned. I think that belongs to the page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mewtwo_(anime) Mewtwo (anime)] only. {{unsigned|Aicona}}
:A lot of what we get for the behavior sections comes straight from the anime or manga. Barely any of it is explained in the games for any Pokémon. The only reason Amber is mentioned for Mewtwo is because her loss is part of what psychologically changed his way of thinking. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia Too Long ==
I think the trivia on Mewtwo's page is way too long, and could really use a trim-down. Especially things that are not unique to Mewtwo, like noting that it and Rayquaza are the only Pokémon with their base stat total not to have signature moves. I'd be willing to go in and clean this up, along with trivia sections on the rest of the species pages, if the admins would like me to. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 07:11, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Nocturnal? ==

At the end of Mewtwo Returns, it was stated that Mewtwo had chosen to roam freely at night. Being the only one, this would make its species nocturnal. Should this be added to the behavior section? --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 03:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:Could be he just wanted to remain inconspicuous. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 03:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:: Ihave no doubt that was the reason. But even with a reason it still makes him nocturnal. Most nocturnal creatures are nocturnal because they don't want to be found by things that can harm them just like humans could harm Mewtwo.--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 04:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Even still. That's the anime Mewtwo. Not all Mewtwo in general. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 04:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::::The games Pokédex entries refers to Mewtwo as "it", meaning only one just like the anime and manga. The fact that you can cpture more than one is a paradox that is traditionaly ignored.--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 04:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Well the anime and the games are different. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 04:24, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::: Like I said the Mewtwo in the games are a PARADOX, meening they technicaly should not be there. I would also like to point out that the article refers to Mewtwo as it as well.--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 04:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, the article refers to Mewtwo as it. That's because in all canons there is only one of them. It doesn't mean that it is the same one in all the canons. What applies to anime Mewtwo does not necessarliy apply to Adventures manga Mewtwo or game Mewtwo. Unless Mewtwo was developed by Fuji alongside a child, in solitary confinement by Blaine and born by Mew all at the same time. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Even so, I think it is still notable. Could we still put it in if we clearly stated that it was an instance in the anime only? All we would have to do is stick "In the anime" at the begining.--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 15:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

How could have Mewtwo's name come from Mew when Mew was added in at the last moment of Red and Green's development? [[User:Metalmallow|metalmallow]] 09:49, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
:The Pokémon design process is complex and it's entirely possible that Mew or Mewtwo could have come first and one's name could or could not be derived from the other —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 10:36, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

== Mewtwo Rumor ==

I've heard of a rumor before that if you try to *ahem* "catch" Mewtwo in a regular Pokeball, all of the Pokeballs in your bag will break. Anyone else on the subject?
 [[User:Pgj1997|Pgj1997]]
:It's a lie. There are users here who have sucessfully caught Mewtwo in a regular Poké Ball. Also, please don't put a linebreak before your signature. A space is fine. Thanks. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:10, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Incorrect Trivia ==

Mewtwo has not got the highest base stat total of all psychic-type pokemon as arceus with a plate has 720. {{unsigned|Mattrules161}}
:I think the trivia entry was supposed to mean he has the highest base stat total of all natural psychic-type pokémon. Arceus doesn't quite count since it needs a psychic plate to even become psychic type, and is by default a normal type. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 14:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Niue Coin ==

About the trivia for the Niue coin, I found this one, a ten-dollar coin: www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/WorldCoinPrices.aspx?category=105024&worldcoinid=272241
But searching on this same site, other Niue coins featuring Mewtwo, with different values (1 dollar and 50 dollars, I think) appear too.
Also, other Pokémon were featured according to this site and to a quick search on eBay: http://search.reviews.ebay.com/?satitle=pokemon&ucat=6213&uqt=r
These pokémon also have different types of coins each.
How should this be portraited in the trivia? [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 19:10, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Question about Origin ==

I noticed this in the "Origin" section: "Mewtwo looks strikingly similar to {{wp|Giygas}}'s {{wp|Mother (video game)}} appearance, because some of the people who had previously worked on the Mother series also worked on the Pokémon series." I was wondering if this was okay. I thought type of thing was considered speculation? I was going to remove it, but I remember seeing some discussions about it in the past and thought I would ask first. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 07:22, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
:I see the conversation on this subject earlier on the page now. How did I miss that? "Giygas" is in the header . . . Anyway, it doesn't seem to have been resolved. So . . . anyone? [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 15:11, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
::I don't see the resemblance myself, and, like someone said up there, at that size it's hard to make anything out. I don't know if it's notable or speculation or whatever, but at the very least I'll reword it so it's not so definite. --[[User:Darth Zekrom|'''Darth''']] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|'''Zekrom''']] 16:10, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

==Myuutu?==
I think the kana reads Myuutu. [[User:JacobTheDoduo|JacobTheDoduo]] 23:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:It's Myūtsū technically but Mewtwo is the trademarked romaji. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:23, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

==Blaine?==
"''where the scientists, including Blaine and Dr. Fuji, performed horrific gene-splicing experiments''"

Where in the games is any of that stated? I never played FireRed or LeafGreen so if it's in one of those then nevermind, but in Red / Blue / Yellow the only mention of Dr. Fuji in regard to the lab is that he's the lab's founder and there is absolutely no mention of Blaine in regard to the lab or Mewtwo. It seems to me that someone is mixing facts from the anime (Dr. Fuji) and facts from the manga (Blaine) with information from the games. [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 00:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

==16th Movie==
Serebii says that Mewtwo was featured in the [[M16|16th Pokémon Movie]] [[Genesect]] was in. {{unsigned|TheShinyMew}}
:We need further evidence than that before anything can be added here. Serebii is a fansite as well, and is not a valid source for adding information here. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 21:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
::Just to add to this, Serebii and other fansites are reporting it based on leaks from [[CoroCoro]] magazine. If the leak is accurate, we'll add the info when the CoroCoro issue is officially released (or if another reliable source reports it sooner than CoroCoro). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:18, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
:::We've had our own article concerning this for about 11 hours. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:32, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
::::No any speculation crackdown now, could be unprotected. Yuyama said that not the same one with the anime one already. KyleRGiggs 20:00, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

== Forgotten Moves ==

I'm sure I'm not the first person to notice that even though Mewtwo's movesets from Generation I show that it starts off with Confusion and Disable, it is impossible to legally own one knowing those moves. They get replaced by two of the four it would have learned by level 70, the lowest possible level it can be obtained in. I just think it's worth making a note of that somewhere, since relearning moves wasn't possible before Pokémon Stadium 2. [[User:X-master|X-master]] ([[User talk:X-master|talk]]) 01:40, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

== New Forme ==

Should we add what we know so far of this new Mewtwo form? [[User:Dralcax|(O++O) Dralcax]] ([[User talk:Dralcax|talk]]) 23:41, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
:No, nothing says it's a form. It may be an evolution, a baby form, an entirely separate Pokemon. We don't know. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 23:42, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
::It says a new Pokémon on Pokemon.com/pokemonxy, so I think it's pretty safe to say that it's not a new form. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 00:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Actually, it's not- new forms have been hyped as "new Pokemon" before. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] ([[User talk:Yamiidenryuu|talk]]) 00:29, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Well should we say that the new form has a similar appearance to Mewtwo in the trivia secion? [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]])1:12, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::As of now, we know absolutely nothing about it, not even if its Mewtwo. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 01:22, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::Well, it is everything but confirmed that it's Mewtwo, otherwise it wouldn't have been replaced on that leaked poster several days ago, since Mewtwo is one of the stars of the movie and is on the posters recently. But 100% confirmation wouldn't hurt. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 08:23, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Admins, at least add in the Trivia Section about the new pokémon that resembles Mewtwo[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 08:26, 7 April 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
::::::::How exactly? "The new Pokémon that resembles Mewtwo resembles Mewtwo"? We don't know its name. We know nothing about it. We shouldn't add it in as a result of that. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 08:50, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::As for now, best to leave it as it is. Not even been a full day and way too many people off site are speculating it is a forme of Mewtwo despite the official site saying it is only ''similar'' to Mewtwo. I'll laugh quite hard if it turns out to be like what happened when Shellos was newly introduced (people also speculated it to be related to Lapras). :P ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 15:47, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree, leave it how it is, the Pokemon site only says it shares similarities to Mewtwo, and thats it! I know alot of people assume and speculate that it's either a new forme of Mewtwo or an evolution of Mew and/or Mewtwo, but theres those keywords "assume" & "speculate", and if I am correct, there is no assuming or speculating allowed on actual pages. Only the facts can be added! So until we know more, there is no reason or point to add it to Mewtwo's page! PokeNerd 15:51, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:Quite the contrary, since Pokemon.com ''explicitly'' points out a connection, I think it's relevant to mention here eventually - just probably not until we have enough info for it to have its own page that we can link to. Until then, I'd lean toward either no mention or just including the Bulbanews news box for the announcement. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:54, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
::Well then maybe we should put up a notice at the top of the page to not edit the mewtwo page until we have more information. I don't want to get into another edit wars like what we had with ash's charizard a while back. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 00:01, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Actually, the page is already protected, so that's not really necessary. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 00:18, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
This New whatever it is, is spreading like wild fire with rumors. We shouldn't jump the gun on this; We should wait for the new trailer on the 18th or when better, more reliable info comes in. For now we have to be patient and professional with this new development. We owe it to the integrity of Mewtwo and all Pokémon to not just add something every time a new rumor surfaces, or we think a leek is real. Admittedly part of me would love to make a Trivia about this form coining (or retooled) the phrase Mewtation, but its not notable enough (yet if ever) to be added. I instead am using that energy to wait patiently for the trailer promised to premier on the 18th, as well as any other info, especially concerning Sylveon's type.

Now, this is what I observed in the current trailer; Mewtwo begins to glow just after saving the gang, and the camera cuts away. Now weather he transforms to this new form or evolves, thats anyone's guess. Mewtwo glowing and then Mutating into a new form or Evolving is likely possible, after all we're dealing with a man made Pokémon with the species name the Genetic Pokémon. Mutations are a normal occurrence in genetics, and the upcoming generation already foreshadows a genetic aspect. However anything past that would be irresponsible speculation.

Don't worry everypony, soon the hype of this thing will die down and we'll get some if not all the fact straight. Until then, lets just focus on improving the article and the rest of Bulbapedia and remember the word Mewtation just in case it becomes official like Eeveelution before it did. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 01:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I love that "mewtation" saying, very catchy! But to reply to the user above, I have a very strong feeling the hype of this new Pokemon will not die down! But I agree, leave this page as it is, nothing to add to it, so for now, the Mewtwo page is perfect the way it is at this moment! :) PokeNerd 11:12, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, can't even discuss Pokémon articles without getting MLP shoved down one's throat. Would it not at least be accurate and current to update the page with something vague like "on [date], a new Pokémon related in some way to Mewtwo was revealed by Pokémon Smash" or something? Just to keep Bulbapedia up to date without affirming rumours. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 22:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
:: That still kind of pushes it, its best we just wait until more info comes up. Otherwise just posting even that much could cause people to get confused. Not sure if you are old enough to remember the whole Pikablue thing with Marill. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 22:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Heads up, April's CoroCoro confirms it's a new Forme of Mewtwo explicitly, just without giving it a name. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 06:30, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Can we at least code it to change art with it's unidentified forme name? --[[User:Dragon146|Dragon146]] ([[User talk:Dragon146|talk]]) 14:26, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Or should it at least be changed from saying "It is not known to evolve to or from another Pokemon" to "While it is not known to evolve to or from another Pokemon, it has a second form." since it's confirmed? Or should it wait until we know how Mewtwo changes forms? [[User:Bolter1|Bolter1]] ([[User talk:Bolter1|talk]]) 02:15, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:Pokémon with forms get a box [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shaymin_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Evolution like Shaymin's] --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 13:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
::Pokemon with forms also get a mention of said form at the beginning of the article. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 21:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. I quickly looked at Shaymin's and Arceus's descriptions, and each say "While it is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon," followed by an explanation of how it achieves its other form/s. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 04:18, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Speaking of the new forme thing, should we add that Mewtwo is the first Pokemon to receive a new forme outside of its debut generation, much like when it received Psystrike as a signature move? I think that would be interesting to point out, if it's true.[[User:Uncle Edit|He's here! The one and only...Uncle Edit!]] ([[User talk:Uncle Edit|talk]]) 21:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:It's the first new Forme where this is the case, but Unown and Pichu got new forms outside their generation. It's likely also going to be the first time a Pokémon receives a new form or Forme outside its generation that it can transform into, from the looks of all the promotional material. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 22:17, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I has been reading, like in Serebii, that the new forme is called the Eclair forme. Also, it HAS been confirmed by CoroCoro. [[User:Garyoak|Garyoak]] ([[User talk:Garyoak|talk]]) 13:15, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

: Apparently from what I found on a GameFAQ forum thread, Eclair is likely referencing to the French word éclair meaning lightning, flash etc. rather than the pastry. The Mods will get around to editing the article as needed, i think they are just waiting to get all their Psyducks in order before then. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/éclair [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 22:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::People, we already know that it's been confirmed. The name, however, has not. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 00:08, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

CoroCoro recently announce it's forme as its Awakened forme. we should code it to change artwork and screenshots of their formes--[[User:Dragon146|Dragon146]] ([[User talk:Dragon146|talk]]) 15:20, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
:If that were to be the case, it would've been already changed. CoroCoro did not reveal a name, only that it's a form of Mewtwo. "Awakened Forme" is just an assumption based on the title of [[M16]]. ☼ [[User:Blazingfist|Blazing]][[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 15:26, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

There should at least be some mention of it in the article, though, no? '''[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]]''' 01:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I have to agree with Luigi-San. Since it has been confirmed to be a new form for Mewtwo and the trailer for M16 explicitly shows Mewtwo going into its new form, shouldn't it at least be mentioned in the article? Something along the lines of "While it is not known to evolve into or from any other pokemon, Mewtwo has been confirmed to have a new form which will debut in M16, although information regarding this new form is currently scarce." --[[User:AlexM123|AlexM123]] ([[User talk:AlexM123|talk]]) 01:37, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

It can not be edited currently, but this is what I think:
"On April 7, 2013, Mewtwo's new form announced in Smash (although the news is a few days ahead of sneaking).
However, it is as a new Pokémon announced until April 15, it was formally announced to Mewtwo's new form.
The specific circumstances is still do not know, only know the form will debut in M16, as the appearance of Mewtwo's awakening. And it will debut in Pokémon X & Y."([[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 12:51, 28 April 2013 (UTC))
:...I think we'll have someone who's proficient in English write the section. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 20:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

== Different Mewtwo ==

Given that both the manga and the trailer have strongly indicated that the Mewtwo that is going to appear in [[M16]] is different from the one that Ash previously encountered, shouldn't this be reflected in the anime section (as it currently states that they're the same)? [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] ([[User talk:Watchermark|talk]]) 00:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I think they are the same Mewtwo just change CV. All still have to wait for the actual announcement of the movie or they direct point out it.([[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 01:22, 18 April 2013 (UTC))
:There is no conclusive evidence that it is a different Mewtwo. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 02:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

In fact there is conclusive evidence that it '''IS''' the same Mewtwo. Director Kunihiko Yuyama's statement on the official website for the film explains that Mewtwo has changed after traveling the world following the events of Mewtwo Returns. [[User:Catty1|Catty1]] ([[User talk:Catty1|talk]]) 03:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Look we are not going to change the pages just because of something someone says. We are going to wait until we have ACTUAL conclusive evidence. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 14:44, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

::Well, I had a different news. Director Kunihiko Yuyama's statement on the official website stated that both Mewtwo are different. In this case, stop discussing that until we got message. Thanks. Also, anyone could make the X Forme and Y Forme for Mewtwo for prepare in Generation VI, please? KyleRGiggs 07:46, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

:::Hold on a minute, what's this about X and Y forms? All we know about for sure is normal and this Eclaire/Awakened one. Where was it ever stated that there are two new ones? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 20:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
::::What? X and Y Formes? There is no such thing. All we know is that Mewtwo has a new Forme. The name of the new one and its original one are unknown now. If you're talking about that picture that's been circling the internet, it's fake. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 20:56, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::I'm responding to this KyleRGiggs guy: "anyone could make the X Forme and Y Forme for Mewtwo for prepare in Generation VI, please?" Where the hell di this one come from? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 21:40, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
:Scuse me Nuckles but what on Earth did you just contribute? Because it sounds like nothing. Was it nothing? It was nothing wasn't it? The Mewtwo in the trailer has a completely different voice. In fact, it's now got a feminine voice. That's a pretty big "hint" (by which I mean "'''huge flipping sign with flashing lights and sparklers'''") that it's a different Mewtwo. How about instead of saying it is a different Mewtwo, we just don't mention it at all? No mention of the new movie, at all, until it's actually been released. Doesn't that make the most sense? Especially now we have two conflicting bits of evidence (one person says the director confirms they're the same, another says the director confirms they're different). I mean, nobody's willing to say "oh and hey Mewtwo has a new form now" on its page. So why are we mentioning the movie at all when we don't 100% know for absolutely sure that it's the same Mewtwo. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 01:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::You can't use Mewtwo's new voice as evidence. It's been more than ten years since Mewtwo has spoken in the anime. They probably have hired new voice actors. If having a different voice means that it is a different person, then by that logic Ash is a different person too after new voice actors were hired. Also, you are basing your evidence from the Japanese movie trailer, not the English one (which hasn't been released as of this comment). The English version could have either a feminine voice or a masculine voice, but we just don't know at this point. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 03:33, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Why do we have to wait for the English version to determine if it is a different Mewtwo? We will determine if it is a different Mewtwo or the same when the movie airs in Japan.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:38, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::::I agree. I am just saying you can't use a new voice in a different language for a character that has been absent from the series for ten years as evidence that this is a different Mewtwo. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 03:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::You cannot compare the original to the dub. Ash (Satoshi) has had the same Japanese voice since the series launched, so you cannot compare his Japanese voice to his English voice. If it was the same Mewtwo, it would have the same voice, no doubt. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::True, but Ash hasn't exactly had Mewtwo's ten year hiatus either. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 04:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:::::::It is true that sometimes voice actors change over the course of years even in the original version. Sometimes unforeseen circumstances occur in which the original voice actor can't fulfill their role. However, this does not seem to be the case. If the original voice actor can't come back, they replace them with someone that sounds similar. This Mewtwo sounds nothing like the original Mewtwo. The new one is voiced by a woman and the first one was voiced by a man. There is too much of a difference in their voices. It's like changing the voice of Ash's Snivy from Michele Knotz to Jason Griffith. There's no way they would do something like that if it was the same Pokémon. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:13, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::::But there is still no conclusive, solid evidence that proves it is a different Mewtwo; the statement by Yuyama is too vague to be definitely taken either way. It could literally be as simple an explanation as they just felt like changing Mewtwo's voice. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 05:57, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::::::::: Or were unable to hire the original voice actor. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 06:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
:The argument over whether it definitely ''is'' a different Mewtwo or not isn't going to be resolved by this argument alone, so I think a more prudent approach to avoid spreading possible misinformation would be to move the M16 note out of the ''Mewtwo Strikes Back'' character's section and into its own section which mentions that it is not yet clear whether this Mewtwo is or is not the same one from M01. Then, when we know more, we can merge the two sections or keep them separated. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:08, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
::Something like this? "Mewtwo is set to make an appearance in [[M16]], in a conflict with the [[Genesect Army]] in [[New Tork City]]. It is currently unclear if this Mewtwo is the same one from ''Mewtwo Strikes Back'' and ''Mewtwo Returns''." --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] ([[User talk:The Great Butler|talk]]) 02:06, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Thank you Butler. A reasonable comment based off of the information at hand. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 04:43, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
:::The page is still locked, so none of us proles can do anything about it. Also, New '''York''' City. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 05:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
::::The name of the place is New Tork City. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 05:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::Indeed I am wrong and simply thought Nuckles had mistyped. This information would be great on the [[M16]] page, instead of saying "New York City, including Central Park." --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 15:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::I think you are thinking of Butler, IWannaBeTheVeryBest, not me. [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 19:14, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

:::::::I'm wrong again. Sorry, these messages are all stacked on top of each other with no spaces in between. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 03:18, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

::::::::That's what indents are for lol [[User:Nuckles123|Nuckles123]] ([[User talk:Nuckles123|talk]]) 04:52, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

== Note the New Form. ==

I believe that both trivia and the note about M16 should note the new form. And it should be depicted and described in physical appearences

[[User:TheJaceX|TheJaceX]] ([[User talk:TheJaceX|talk]]) 00:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

:Well, if you read the above discussion^, they were already disputing about whether it's a new forme, evolution, baby form, etc. or a new Pokemon altogether. (In my honest opinion, it's a forme) Let's just wait and see [[User:Raykyogrou0|Raykyogrou0]] ''([[User talk:Raykyogrou0|Talk]])'' 09:19, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
::Last I checked, CoroCoro ''said'' it was a new forme, but everyone on this site seems to be denying that. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 18:25, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Indeed, it is a form, that's indisputably confirmed. Thing is, the form doesn't have a name yet and very little is known about it. When the form's name is revealed and there's more info about it, I'm sure it will be added here. ☼ [[User:Blazingfist|Blazing]][[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 18:41, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
::::Well, it was labelled as the "Eclair" form, last I heard. And since Karosu is based off of France, we can assume that this name is pulling from the French word "''Eclaire,''" which can mean "enlightened," thus tying back to the name of the movie, "Mewtwo Awakens." [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 18:47, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::I've heard about that name, but as far as I know that hasn't been confirmed by an official source. ☼ [[User:Blazingfist|Blazing]][[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 18:48, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::Fair enough, but still, there are plenty of people denying that it is a new forme to begin with, and that ''has'' been confirmed. The article should at ''least'' reflect that it exists, and that new information is being awaited. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 18:51, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::You do have a point there... But I think they're waiting for more information first (though there was a mention of it [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Y#Images here] but that has been removed now...) ☼ [[User:Blazingfist|Blazing]][[User talk:Blazingfist|Fist ☼]] 19:00, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::::We know it's a new form, we're just waiting on the name before we add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::After '''5 weeks, 3 Talk sections, and seventy-four comments,''' this is our first notification from an admin? This would have saved all of us a lot of time to know 5 weeks ago. We've been discussing and suggesting for this long and just now the reason is revealed to us. Honestly, I can't fathom a good excuse for waiting this long to tell us. I'm waiting, though. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 12:13, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::Just skimming over the comments I see at least three staff commenting in these discussions. All of which have said along the lines of 'we don't know it's the same and we are waiting for a name to be revealed'. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 13:25, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Skim better, because no one other than FF has said "we are waiting for the name." Two of the four admins ''only'' discussed voice actors. Of the two others, Ataro only said we shouldn't use an unconfirmed name like "Éclair Forme" and FF addressed it just now. ''Even if'' one incorrectly infers Ataro to have said "'''The reason''' that we haven't mentioned the Forme is '''because''' we don't know its official name," the staff isn't safe from criticism. Why not just announce this as soon as we knew it was definitely a Mewtwo Forme? Why watch us waste all our time discussing something that clearly ''none of us'' in these sections knew/comprehended? Why do we absolutely need a name to just mention the Forme? "In [[Pokémon X and Y]] and its teaser film, [[M16]], {{p|Mewtwo}} is able to use a new Forme." See, that was easy. Slap a 200px image of the Forme, possibly add "The name of this Forme is not yet known", and call it a day. --[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWanna]]BeThe[[User talk:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|VeryBest]] 14:21, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

== New Form picture ==
I recently watched a trailer from the official Japanese Pokémon YouTube, and I screenshotted this (from my iPhone, since I mainly use that. You can make it so that the black bars aren't there):
[[File:MewtwoForm.png|480px|left]].

The trailer, in my opinion was a teaser trailer, or a TV Spot trailer (it was about 1 minute long). [[User:Chaossy|Chaossy]] ([[User talk:Chaossy|talk]]) 12:35, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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== M01 -M16 ==

Hey, different Mewtwo there! Remove some inappropriate words please! KyleRGiggs 03:49, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

== MegaMewtwo ==

[http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/mega_pokemon/ 4' 11" (1.5m) and 72.8 lbs (33 kg).] {{unsigned|Marked +-+-+}}

== Mega Evolution ==

Since forme changes are listed on the evolutionary chain at the bottom of the page, should mega evolutions be added as well? --[[User:Ziggyangelo88|Ziggyangelo88]] ([[User talk:Ziggyangelo88|talk]]) 09:20, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:We're not sure until the staff makes the final decisions on how we're treating Mega Evolutions on the wiki, which probably won't happen until we find out more information about them. Please trust that major Gen VI things aren't being forgotten about; we don't need to be reminded. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:06, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I tried asking a Admin about this and got no response so I'll ask here. Why did Bulbapedia and the staff do a 180° and went form accepting Mewtwo's Awaken forme to now changing it to Mega Mewtwo Mega Evolution. Did Game freak originally have this as a forme change then went with the Mega Evolution angle. If so, shouldn't this be investigated and mentioned? I mean usually Bulbapedia shys away from speculation...so why was any info on the Awaken forme change ever put on the page in the first place? Did some official source come out talking about it? This is driving me nuts trying to figure out. If Nintendo/Game Freak Originally meant for this forme to be a forme change, then it should be mentioned in the article. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:36, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
:[http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/pokemon/mega_pokemon/ Here's the evidence] [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''オリ''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''ジ''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''ナル''']] TheOriginalOne 22:01, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
::It was (apparently) originally listed as a form on the official Japanese website for the Mewtwo/Genesect movie. Personally, I subscribe to the theory that "form" was just the closest term they could come up with because they didn't want to prematurely reveal/spoil the existence of Mega Evolutions, or that somebody not privy to the Mega Evolution info was writing the promotional copy for the website. I don't think it's a big deal. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:22, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
:::It was called Awakened Mewtwo. I don't think they ever stated it was a Forme, at least in its name. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 04:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

The article, as most recently updated, states ''it can [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]] into two different forms''. Since they are definitely not "forms" in the usual Pokemon sense, we should be very careful about using the generic version of the word to avoid confusing readers. If someone could change "forms" to a different word (Pokémon? Mega Evolutions? states? appearances? etc), that'd be great. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:44, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Mega Mewtwo X Mega evolves with Mewtwonite X, so Mega Mewtwo Y Should Mega Evolve with Mewtwonite Y(i think). [[User:Squirtleoshawott461|Squirtleoshawott461]] ([[User talk:Squirtleoshawott461|talk]]) 15:56, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

== Mega Evo Weighting ==

Is it worth noting in the "Trivia" section that Mewtwo is the only Pokemon to lose weight as it Mega Evolves? (Note: I attempted to check this, but I may have missed one or two)

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 05:52, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

== Is it worth noting that... ==

Mewtwo has the highest special attack stat of all Pokémon that are neither mega evolutions or an alternative form? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|Blaze The Movie Fan]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 18:23, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
:I'd say possibly, since the highest stat of a type seems to be worth noting, although it starts to be a stretch when you include alternate formes. Also, you can solve you double edit problem by going to preferences>signature and changing your signature there. -- [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]][[User_talk:EnosShayrem|talk]] 18:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
::"Highest except for" isn't highest, thus not notable. We don't exclude Mega Evolutions in BST trivia anyways. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 18:40, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Mewtwo battle music ==

Would it be worth noting in trivia that when player fights Mewtwo in X/Y, the music features tunes from Gen I? --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 11:19, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Time Capsule

2012-12-08T15:21:01Z

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==Dongle==
Is [[Dongle method]] an appropriate link? It's Pal Park, not Time Capsule, which requires it. posted by [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 13:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== Moves ==

Is it possible to trade Pokemon from G/S/C to R/B who have learned moves in G/S/C that are available in Generation I but are unable to learn them in R/B? For example, if a Starmie learned Confuse Ray in Gold, would I be able to trade it back to Red although it can't learn Confuse Ray in Red?

:Yes, any move that exists in [[Generation I]] can be traded back from [[Generation II]] to Generation I, just as long as it's on a Generation I Pokémon and that Pokémon doesn't know any Generation II moves.

:The Time Capsule only checks for Generation II Pokémon, and then Generation II moves. If your party has none of that, you can enter the Time Capsule, even if the only method for a Pokémon to learn a Generation I-origin move is in Generation II (i.e. elemental punches on Alakazam). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

:: I recall someone back in the day with a Level 5 Bulbasaur with Petal Dance, which he bred on G/S/C and traded back to R/B/Y. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 07:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, that would work as Petal Dance is a Generation I move, although Bulbasaur can only learn it in Generation II. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== What about apricorn balls ==

What happens if you trade a pokemon in one of the apricorn balls to the generation I games? Would they just change into regular pokeballs? {{unsigned|Blazaking}}
:Back then, PokéBalls didn't have any differences when a Pokémon appeared on the battle field. Different animations, as well as a picture of the PokéBall you captured your Pokémon with, wasn't available until Generation III. The only differences in Generation II they had was that they would be different colors when thrown at a Pokémon. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
This wouldn't be a problem as in Gen I Pokemon couldn't hold items anyways... Zendude 17:23, Nov 10 2009

== When exactly available? (G,S) ==

I've met Bill inside the Pokemon Center of Ecruteak City, he is now back again in Goldenrod City but i still can't use the Time Capsule.
It still says that it's under repair o.o [[User:OMG|OMG]] 02:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:You have to wait until past midnight :) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 03:08, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

== Tradebacks and held items ==

Now, I know most GSC batteries are dead by now and King's Rocks are a pain to get in those games anyway, but what would happen if you, theoretically, traded a Slowpoke from Generation II back to Generation I while it was holding a King's Rock, then immediately traded back? Would it become a Slowking in GSC and thus be able to be traded as a glitch Pokémon back to Generation I? After all, the Time Capsule doesn't prevent a Gen I trade-evolution Pokémon like Graveler from learning Rollout after it evolves into Golem if it's traded at level 31, thus leading to a glitch move being usable if it is traded back immediately... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:54, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
:I just did it. Nothing happens. Slowpoke doesn't evolve. --'''''[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]]''''' ([[User talk:Dr. James|tell me]]) 02:29, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
::It even shouldn't work, as Pokémon didn't held items back in Gen I. The item probably got erased in the process, didn't it? Thus Slowpoke had no reason to evolve... --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 15:21, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Pokémon in the Czech Republic

2010-10-31T14:30:48Z

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The Pokémon franchise first reached the '''{{wp|Czech Republic}}''' in October 1999, when [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions]] were released. The anime followed in September 2000, when ''[[EP001|Pokémone, volím si tebe!]]'' premiered in Czech.

==Pokémon games==
All [[Pokémon games]] sold in Czech stores are in English. The games are distributed by ConQuest Entertainment, the official Czech distributor of [[Nintendo]] games and consoles.

==Pokémon anime==
===TV series===
In September 2000 {{wp|TV Nova}} started to air the [[Pokémon anime]] on Saturday and Sunday mornings. Without breaks, 208 episodes of seasons 1-4 (sans [[banned episodes]], but including [[Holiday Hi-Jynx]] and [[Snow Way Out!]]) aired until August 2002. From June 2003 to September 2005, TV Nova aired reruns of these episodes. No Pokémon episodes have aired on TV Nova since then.

Cable channel {{wp|Disney Channel (Central and Eastern Europe)|Fox Kids}} aired season 3 ([[EP106]]—[[EP157]]) in 2004.

Some chosen episodes of seasons 1-4 also aired on another cable channel, '''A+'''. This channel was later replaced by Animax, which has not aired Pokémon.

The [[Pokémon: Master Quest|fifth season]], as well as the entire {{series|Advanced Generation}}, were skipped in the Czech Republic.

However, on January 5, 2009, [[Pokémon: Diamond and Pearl|season 10]] premiered on [[Jetix]]. After its airing, [[Pokémon Diamond & Pearl: Battle Dimension|season 11]] premiered on March 5, 2009. Until Jetix was rebranded to Disney Channel in September 19, 2009, Jetix aired reruns of season 11. After that, Pokémon was dropped until March 1, 2010 when [[Pokémon Diamond & Pearl: Galactic Battles|season 12]] was announced to premiere on Disney Channel. But instead, reruns of season 11 aired. At the end of March, even these reruns stopped again.

After weeks of fan speculation, season 12 finally aired on Disney Channel on July 5, 2010.

In December 5, 2009 {{wp|TV Prima}} premiered ''[[DP001|Following a Maiden's Voyage!]]'' and is currently airing season 10 on Saturday and Sunday mornings. Seasons 11 and 12 are planned to air in the future.

===Movies===
In 2001, ''[[M01|Mewtwo Strikes Back]]'' and ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'' premiered in Czech cinemas and later both movies were also released on VHS and DVD. In March 2002, ''[[M03|Spell of the Unown]]'' was released only on VHS. All movies were distributed by '''Warner Bros. Czech Republic'''.

All three movies also later aired on HBO and HBO 2 channels.

In 2004, '''SPI International Czech Republic''' released ''[[M04|Celebi: Voice of the Forest]]''' direct to video on VHS. The movie often airs on SPI-owned channels '''Filmbox''' and '''Filmbox Extra'''.

On June 14, 2009, ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]'' premiered on Jetix. It was first Pokémon movie released in the Czech Republic since Movie 4 in 2004.

On January 24, 2010 Filmbox HD (owned by SPI International) premiered ''[[M06|Jirachi: Wish Maker]]''. On February 14, 2010, the same channel premiered ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]''.

===Dubbing===
Seasons 1-4 and movies 1-3 were dubbed by '''AVF Studio Zero''' based in {{wp|Prague}}, but in TV series, the dub studio was not credited and instead the company '''Česká produkční 2000''', who ordered the dub for TV Nova, was credited. This was common practice in TV Nova dubs in between years 1999-2006.

The dub director was '''Jitka Tošilová''', who also worked as dialog editor. Seasons 1-3 and movies 1 and 2 were translated by '''Klára Cabalková''', movie 3 was translated by '''Blažena Kukulišová''', season 4 was translated by '''Silvie Šustrová'''. Sound editor was '''Miloš Zajdl'''.

The leading role of [[Ash Ketchum]] was given to '''Radek Škvor''', who was ten years old at the time the show first reached the Czech Republic, making him the same age as his character. Radek's older brother '''Jan Škvor''' later voiced [[Tracey Sketchit]] the following season. Along with fellow main cast member '''Eva Spoustová''', who provides the voice of {{an|Misty}}, Radek is one of the only two cast members to keep their role throughout the entire series.

The third main character, {{an|Brock}}, was voiced by '''Martin Písařík''', who was mistakenly credited as '''Petr Písařík''' in seasons 1-3 and movies 1 and 2.

[[Team Rocket]]'s [[Jessie]], [[James]] and {{MTR}} were dubbed by '''Dana Černá''', '''Michal Michálek''', and '''Zbyšek Pantůček''' respectively. Their boss [[Giovanni]] was dubbed by '''Pavel Soukup''', one of most popular Czech actors and voice actors, who also dubbed the [[narrator]]. For reasons unknown, Giovanni was portrayed by '''Jiří Plachý''' in the first movie, even though Soukup was still providing the role of narrator in the movie.

Other notable voice actors in the AVF's Czech dub of the Pokémon anime include '''Kateřina Lojdová''' as [[Officer Jenny]], '''Klára Jandová''' as [[Nurse Joy]], '''Jiří Prágr''' as [[Professor Oak]], '''Jana Páleníčková''' as [[Cassidy]] and some other side characters and '''Jan Maxián''' as [[Brad Van Darn]] and some other characters.

Movie 4 was dubbed in {{wp|Brno}} based dub studio '''Ebyt'''. The dub director was '''Jindřich Stožický''', translator '''Renata Pruklová''', dialog editors '''Filip Stožický''' and '''Radka Přibyslavská'''. Sound editor was not credited.

Since the dub of movie 4 was done in Brno, only two of original cast were willing to travel from Prague to Brno. These two was Radek Škvor as Ash and Eva Spoustová as Misty. All other characters were recasted. Brock was voiced by '''Jiří Balcárek''', James by '''Robert Jícha''', Jessie by '''Radka Přibyslavská''', Meowth by '''Maxmilián Hornyš''' and old professor Oak by '''Milan Horský'''. Sammy, young professor Oak was voiced by '''Klára Sochorová''' and [[Iron-Masked Marauder]] was voiced by popular Brno's actor and voice actor '''Zdeněk Junák'''. The role of Narrator was provided by another famous Brno's actor and voice actor '''Aleš Jarý'''.

Unsurprisingly to Czech fans, season 10, 11 and movie 11 were dubbed by Prague based '''DW Agentura''', who worked on all Jetix dubs. The dub director was '''Alice Hurychová''', who is well-known as the dub director for the {{wp|Harry Potter (film series)|Harry Potter movies}}. Many different translators, dialog editors and sound editors worked on this dub.

Radek Škvor and Michal Michálek reprised their roles and Pavel Soukup returned as narrator but not as Giovanni. Eva Spoustová also returned, but now, she voiced [[Jessie]] and [[Nurse Joy]]. Meowth was now voiced by '''Marek Libert'''. '''Rosita Mary Erbanová''', credited as '''Rozita Erbanová''' was chosen as the voice of {{an|Dawn}}.

Well known Czech actor, singer and composer '''Jan Maxián''' took over the role of Brock, as well as that of Professor Oak. Jan's work on Professor Oak caused controversy amongst Czech Pokémon fans, many of which stated Maxián's voice is too young for Professor Oak. When Professor Oak appeared again in [[DP003]], however, '''Zdeněk Hruška''', who also voiced [[Paul]] and Giovanni in season 10, took over the role. Maxián also sung ''{{so|Diamond and Pearl}}'' and ''[[We Will Be Heroes]]'', and gave his voice to [[Saturn]], and other minor characters.

The role of Officer Jenny was taken by Jana Páleníčková, who also reprised her role of Cassidy and voiced some other characters.

In season 11, the roles of Paul and professor Oak were taken by '''Michal Holán''', who also voiced some other characters in both season 10 and 11, including the role of [[Kenny (Sinnoh)|Kenny]]. The role of Giovanni was taken by Marek Libert in season 11.

Other notable voice actors in DW Agentura's dub were '''Klára Šumanová''' as {{an|May}}, [[Angie]], and other roles; and '''Vojtěch Hájek''' as {{an|Barry}}, [[Crasher Wake]] and some other roles.

In season 12, no credits for Czech dub are provided, so it is unknown which studio made the dub as well as the dub crew.

No changes were done in main cast voices, but there are some changes in side characters. The most significant is return of '''Jiří Prágr''' as Profesor Oak. Another notable new voice is '''Ladislav Cigánek''', who voiced [[Byron]] and some other characters.

===Music===
In 2001, the soundtrack album ''[[Pokémon 2.B.A. Master]]'' was translated into Czech under the title ''{{tt|Pokémon, Chyťte je všechny!|Pokémon, Catch 'em all!}}''. The ''[[Totally Pokémon]]'' CD was also translated to Czech later that year, titled ''{{tt|Pokémon, Johtovy Cesty|Pokémon Johto's Journeys}}''.

==Pokémon Trading Card Game==
The cards of [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]] sold in Czech stores are sold in English. The distributor of Pokémon Trading Card Game is ADC Blackfire Entertainment, who also distributes some Pokémon toys in Czech Republic.

==External links==
* [http://www.pokemon.cz/ Official Czech website operated by ConQuest]
* [http://www.hraju-pokemon.cz/ Official Czech website operated by Blackfire]
* [http://www.pikachu.cz/ Czech fansite]

 
{{Pokémon around the world}}
 
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Bulbapedia talk:Userspace policy

2010-08-14T14:17:18Z

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==Per Day==
What time zone will days be counted by? The time zone each user is in, the server's timezone, something entirely different? I think this might be a very good thing to have stated in the policy, might help to avoid people proclaiming others have gone over the limit due to the day not resetting in their time zone yet, or any other time related possibilities. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 06:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
:If we have to get technical, it would be UTC. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 08:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
::Getting technical would probably be best. When things go unwritten on the policy pages, they often get questioned. See the last topic on the talk page for the {{bt|Signature policy}}. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 09:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I think it should be based on a user's own time zone. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 01:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
::::That takes too much research for just a warning, and, not everyone has their time zone specified. It would be too much hassle for the slight benefit it would make for the person breaking the rules and editing the userspace too much. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

== Error ==

Anything we find that shouldn't be there, we will get rid of it.

Does anyone else think that this sentence is kinda wacky?--[[User:RexRacer|'''RexRacer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 23:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
:i do. i took care of it. hope its satisfactory. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:45, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

== the f word ==

are fanfics allowed, I was told they werent, but theres nothing on theres saying fanfics is not allwoed? --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Fanfics aren't allowed. They forgot to mention it on the policy, but it's been stated several times, and a while ago the admins deleted all fanfics. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''zz''']] 17:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Maybe they are allowed now? --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:No. They're not. No reason why they should ever be allowed. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''zz''']] 19:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

:Want fanfics? Then upload them on some hosting or Bulba forum and put link on user page. Nothing more, nothing less might be just okay... --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 14:17, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

== Just some things ==

This policy doesn't mention the number of additional pages which user's are allowed to have in addition to their main user space (User:<name>/<page title>). This would tie in with how much content a user would be allowed to have on their main user page (...shouldn't be larger than -- bytes). Also, if a page would become mainspace material upon completion, with Admin assent, would the number of edits per day affect this page? [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 17:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:ARE YOU ALLOWED FANFICS? --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::No. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Added. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:back to the topic at hand, this is something that was discussed, but ultimately never agreed on, so, i think we should agree on something. as for pages bound to become mainspace, that is based on what an admin says, we already sort of do that. i think it was {{u|Cipher}} for example made a TCG page in userspace, but then moved into mainspace, but, he had an admin's permission to edit it more than the allotted 3 times. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

== How about... ==

Instead of the limit being 3 edits per day, and users being warned for going over the limit, how about we do some work on the site that will make it so that once you've done 3 edits to the <code>User:</code> name space, the edit button disappears for the rest of the day? Think about it. It'll take a lot of work, but it'll be for the better in my opinion, because then, we won't have to worry about anyone going over the limit ever again. Discuss. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 16:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC) Anybody home? [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 22:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:Is that even possible?--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| カメックス]] 22:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

::Well, it was possible to create the abuse user group. However, Zhen said that it took a lot of work to do. I'd imagine my suggestion is possible, but it'd take a lot of work. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 22:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't even know if something like this is even possible. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 22:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::With a high level of hacking the MediaWiki itself, it is indeed possible. Just, who has ftp access? [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 22:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::I think developers have ftp access. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 22:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Wouldn't that with hold everyone for only doing three? There are many cases where doing more than three is allowed: reverting vandalism, redlinks, duplicate images, updating that card list. Warning users is not hard, we've been doing well with doing it. But restricting it so that you can only make three edits would cause a lot of problems. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 23:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Well, since admins are allowed to go over the limit, we could make it so that it doesn't happen to admins. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 23:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, that totally stops normal users from being Mavericks and being able to fix the problems they see themselves. Not everything has to be done by admins, you know. We check what each edit does and we figure out the warnings that way...If a template is causing a broken category, anyone is allowed to fix it...and that edit wouldn't count towards total. I just don't like the cons this would cause: because in this situation, the cons outweigh the pros. It would make things a lot harder for everyone. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 23:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:Indeed. I've gone past three edits on several occasions. Mostly due to my habit of patrolling for {{tt2|wrongly-categorised|Bad user boxes, anyone?|FF0000}} user pages. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Just to clarify for the newbies ==

I think the policypage needs a brief mention of the fact that all subpages are included under this. It is briefly alluded to in a middle paragraph but I think it needs to be made clear as crystal that the three/day rule applies to the subs. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== Personal CSS ==

What about these? Do they count as edits to the userspace or are they to be thought as "My preferences" thing?--'''[[User:Diby|Di]][[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]]''' 13:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:I was wondering this too. As of this day, I've included them into the 3-edit limit, but it'd be better if they weren't included (you can't preview all elements on different parts of the site in the Preview view). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 13:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
::I've already discussed this a bit, but not with the entire EB. My personal opinion is that it shouldn't count towards the limit; like Ultimate mentioned, sometimes you can's simply Show Preview.
::However. If someone is editing their user CSS page more then three times a day for multiple days in a row, then it's worthy of a warning. I mean, no user should ever need to update their CSS that much; they're the only ones who can see it, normally you just change your layout and you're done with it.
::If someone has to take five edits to finish their CSS, no big deal. If they update it every two days with five edits, then I'd consider that abuse, and warn them accordingly. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

::However same problem goes if user is trying to create personal template. Like with CSS, you can't always just Show Preview / if you have parameters, you can't check behavior before you save it... but then you have 1 edit gone...--[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 14:17, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

== Out of Pure Curiousity ==

Is there a certain amount of userspace articles that you can have? I've been wanting to know this for at least several days, but I kept forgetting to ask. For an example, let's use me, how many User:ShinjiLover/(name)'s can I have? 10? 20? Unlimited? Love, ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]]'', '''<strike>[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|{{tt|who dreams of beating BulbaBot|Only in my dreams, huh?}}]]</strike>'''
:I heard there's only 3 allowed, but I'm not TOO sure... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::The admins want you to have three, but I'm fairly certain that doesn't include test pages for templates and articles. At least, in my view, it shouldn't (and if it does then TTE is in trouble!). But for fancrap, just three. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:::The limit is officially from me "not too many". As long as there's not a subpage for everything, it should be fine, especially if it's a to-be-mainspace'd project, which I have several of.
:::Anyway, three cheers, guys, for being well-behaved, the limit on edits is now '''''four''''' per day without warning. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== 3 or 4 Edits? ==

I've been seeing so many changes to this rule. I've gotten in trouble for make four edits to my userspace, and then someone said that making four was fine. After that, I read that Bulbapedia no longer allows four edits but, rather, three again. So which is it? ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 02:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:Neither. The limit itself has been abolished. However, if the majority of your edits are to your userpage, or user subpages, or if you do exceed around 6 in a short period of time. You can be warned. Keep the userspace edits to a minimum, and there's little to worry about. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 02:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

::Simply put, it's like the {{wp|Speed limits in the United States#Montana|speed limits in Montana}} prior to 1999. Reasonable and prudent, with no limits otherwise. As long as it's kept within reasonable means, you won't get in trouble; of course, enough edits to flood the [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] is enough to get set to abuse right away, similar to how the Montana speed limit law ended up changed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Games ==

Why aren't games or fake characters allowed in userspace? --[[User:HideInTheDark|HideInTheDark]] 18:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:User games have had many problems in the past, but I do not know why fake characters are not allowed. Ask {{u|TTEchidna|TTE}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::Every user and his dog had a game, or a fake character and fanfics. Some users had 20+ sub pages just for themselves, and edited it constantly. They were getting more attention and were basic beacons to EDIT the user space only. So they're gone.[[User:DCM]] 21:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Thank you for explaining it, DCM. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::::I read that wrong. Fake characters lead to fan fics. fan fics lead to games. It doesnt benefit the pedia in anyway, it harms it.[[User:DCM]] 21:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, not necessarily. But not to get into an arguement; I still believe that they shouldn't be allowed. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== "Fake Characters" ==

The policy states that you CANNOT make your own new characters/Pokémon, but the "new member greeting" post on my talk page directly contradicts that. Should the"welcome" message be altered?--[[User:Vib|Vib]] 00:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
:Go for it. Just not too many, okay? A ton of userspace edits will still slow down the server. Kinda like it was this morning.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:57, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

== Intent? ==

Hai, noob here. I'm just wondering what the intent of the userspace edit rule is; why it exists. It's the first of its kind I've encountered. [[User:AlishaShatogi|AlishaShatogi]] 08:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:In the past, every second user had pages and pages and pages of unencyclopedic crap. This took a huge toll on the server (every single tiny edit was saved forever and ever), and by disallowing edits here, the creation and growth of our Pokémon encyclopedia has improved a bazillion percent. It's nothing personal against anyone, but we are ''not'' Facebook or Myspace, we are Pokémon fans building a reference point about our hobby, interest and (in some extreme cases) obsession. The "don't edit lots" rule is similar, as we encourage you to contribute to articles instead of making your own personal webpage. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::Ahah. That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. [[User:AlishaShatogi|AlishaShatogi]] 08:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Permanent? ==

Is the inability to edit user pages permanent? [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 10:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:No, but considering you've only lost yours for a day now, there's a long way to go yet. Generally, the required sentence is approximately a month, but the true deciding factor is the way you edit the articles. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::A whole month? Damn! OK, so what is the true deciding factor? What do I have to do to shorten this sentence? [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 14:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Actually edit the mainspace, and gain the privilege back. You were only editing your page for two weeks and nothing else. That's a problem. You must balence your edits. So, instead of complaining, find some content pages to edit. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah, I see. OK. Then I will carry on with a personal project of mine: to add the Dutch names of all attacks to their pages. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 14:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, I've been editing lots of mainspace pages, and still my privileges are taken. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 20:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Relax. If all you want to do is edit your userspace--if that's why you're here--well, you're here for the wrong reasons. -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 21:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That's not entirely why I'm here. I'm here to help out and add all things in the Dutch language because no-one else here seems to be capable to do so. But editing my userpage is also why I'm here, because I need to keep my YouTube subscribers up to date. And I can't do that if I can't edit my userpage. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 21:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::OK, honestly, my editing priviliges are still revoked? I only made 3 userpage edits and I immediately lose them again? I made over 25 edits to mainspace pages and my priviliges are still revoked? That's pretty effed up, IMO. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 13:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::The reason you lost your privileges was because of the 25 userspace edits you made in a row at the start of July. You never actually got them back around the end of July; we had a minor technical hiccup which meant the abuse usergroup was, essentially, broken. I'll bring your case up to a {{bp|bureaucrat}}, but they will have the final say. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Ah, so that explains why I got the ability to edit my userpages back for a short while. I was already wondering why I'd lost them again, since I kept myself to the '3 edits a day' rule. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 09:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

== ..."Pages or templates that spoof the interface." ==

Does this mean I have to delete my [[User:Alpha Totodile/Template|userspace template]]? --'''[[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|α]][[User:Alpha Totodile|ワニ]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|ノコ]]''' 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

== Grammatical error ==

Could someone change "for the details of its users everyday lives" in the Warnings section to "for the details of its users' everyday lives"? Thanks. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 15:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 15:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== Max userspace size? ==

I haven't been able to find an answer to this, so I'm hoping there is one... Is there a limit on how large (in bytes) a user page is allowed to be? I'm asking because I noticed that my main user page is about 22,000 bytes (guh wow x_X must have gone overboard experimenting with wikicode or something...), and I want to make sure I'm not being a bad girl. :( Thanks in advance~ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
:Nothing that I know of, and mine is the same size as yours.--[[User:GreenGyarados|♫Green]][[Gyarados (Pokémon)|♫ギャラドス♫]][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|Talk♫]] 02:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
::Oh well that's a relief. Guess they must not have had any problems in the past about getting userpages that looked something like... oh, [http://www.belladesoto.us/ this I guess]. (I don't suggest clicking that link btw. It's worksafe and all, it just takes about three hours to load completely.) [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:57, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
:::No size limit. If it ever crashes my browser I'll be sure to let you know ;) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:47, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Awesome, thanks! ♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:21, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

== I'm beggining to see a pattern . . . ==

Despite the Welcome template making it obvious to keep Userspace edits to a minimum I have a feeling it hasn't been obvious enough. It hasn't been too accesive recently but I have noticed that new users despite the info in the Welcome template users still seem to overlook it. For example when I was new I could hardly understand what to think of the userspace policy for a while. ({{tt|If you see my recent edits you'll see I have certainly changed that|"Now time to edit the mainspace" or "OK, WAY TOO MANY USERSPACE EDITS!!!! TO THE MAINSPACE!!!" Or whatever}}) Is there something we can do, to lightly, but very obviously let new users know that a majority of edits shall be to the mainspace '''AND''' that they shouldn't just be making random mainspace edits so they can edit their userspace. What I mean by the latter is that we tell them that their goal shouldn't be to edit their userpage and that it should be to help Bulbapedia. We could also tell them about the forums. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]7 22:20, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:We keep a user in abuse when they create an account and when they make many mainspace edits, they could be taken out of it. Though I don't know how this could be implemented to make it automatic. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:29, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

== Minimum to first edit your userspace? ==

There's a message that I must make a certain number of mainspace edits before I am allowed to edit my userspace, but I can't find any information about this (especially not a specific number) anywhere. I've been working on episode pages as I come across them, but some edits are confined to Talk pages, as I feel gaining consensus is more important than going in and making an edit. What is required before I'm allowed to create a user space for myself? -[[User:Disinfect|Disinfect]] 23:13, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:That information is apparently withheld deliberately to discourage new users from simply attempting to fulfill a certain amount of mainspace edits. Basically, the rule seems to be: edit as much as you can and you'll get that privelage eventually.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::MisterE13's got it right. If we revealed the threshold amount of edits, then people would just make exactly that many edits and then edit their userpage a billion times and never contribute to the mainspace again. I know not everyone does this, but too many people ''did'', and that spoiled it for everyone :/ just keep finding things to edit and surely you will get the priveledge soon. [[Special:WantedPages]], [[:Category:Stubs]], and [[:Category:Articles needing improvement]] are good places to look if you want to edit but don't know where to start. :) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I understand the logic behind it, but it's rather discouraging that it's not an automated process (you have to get noticed by an admin basically), and without a Talk page describing your areas of knowledge you seem unprofessional. There are tons of policies in place to prevent userspace abuse, I guess I just worry that people with these privileges aren't don't experience the policies they've created, and thus don't understand the mindset of not being able to establish yourself until you've established yourself. And yes, I watch the stub notices for AG series episodes and contribute where I see need, but many synopses claiming to need attention seem fairly complete to me. [[User:Disinfect|Disinfect]] 00:36, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Not an automated process? Oh believe me, it is. We don't move users into autoconfirmed. The wiki does it for us. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh my mistake, I must have misinterpreted the talknote above this one. [[User:Disinfect|Disinfect]] 00:59, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::If the synopsis is complete, then feel free to remove it. If someone disagrees with you, then they'll put it back and (hopefully) state why. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Define day ==

That may sound incredibly ridiculous at first glance, but "day" can be defined many different ways. Is it a 24 hour period of time? 12 hours? Until midnight? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 07:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Per day is a 24-hour period, and we use the UTC clock at the top of the site generally. Basically, if you've got all your edits listed as being on the same date in the page history, then it's considered to be within one day. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 11:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== Filling up of "abuse" ==

The group of abuse is getting quite large, and it's full of inactive users. Isn't it time to let the inactive ones go? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 19:12, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== Sidepages ==

I recently made a sidepage to my userpage, and I was wondering, am I allowed to edit my actual userpage three times per day and my sidepage three time per day, or just only three times per day collectively. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis29]] ([[User talk:Zewis29|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|Contribs]]) 17:16, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:All of them count towards your 3 edits. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 17:59, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

The "Shiny" in "Shiny Psyduck" should link to [[Shiny Pokémon]], not Alternate Coloration. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== CSS ==

The system doesn't let you preview your monobook.css file when you edit it, so that shouldn't be counted towards the total (or should only be counted as a single edit). Or maybe there should be a way to preview the CSS before saving. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:...But you ''can'' preview the CSS. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
::If you click preview, it doesn't show up. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Most edits to the CSS ''will'' show up in the preview - try copying [[User:Umeko/monobook.css|my monobook]], copy it over yours, press preview, and tell me what you see. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

:Generally, edits to CSS pages aren't as big of a deal, because depending on the edit, it can't always be previewed (like Umeko said, it can be previewed; the only times you won't see it are if the CSS is affecting only specific pages, or if you're coding it incorrectly). So long as you're not making five CSS edits every day for no apparent reason, you probably won't get in trouble over it. Just don't get in a habit of changing your CSS often, it's generally the sort of thing you only need to change on rare occasions. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 03:46, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Subpages ==

Okay, so if you edit one of your subpages, it counts towards your 3 edits a day. But what if that subpage actually contributes to Bulbapedia? Say someone was working on a new template for the mainspace articles, and decided to make it in the userspace first, or someone wanted to create an article about something but had to keep it in the userspace to be approved before it was mainspaced. Would editing subpages like that count towards your 3 edits, or would that be ignored for those pages since they do/will contribute to the mainspace? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 18:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure it doesn't count towards your three edits if it's meant for the mainspace. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
::I've read somewhere that you are allowed to have a lot more edits to a page for the mainspace, and that they don't count for your three edits a day. Also, maybe you want to add [[User:Maverick Nate/Mainspace]] to your page? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:02, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== 3 Edits ==

This seems a tad vaque to me.. obviously it should NEVER be a top priority to edit your userpage.. but what about saying something on someone's talk page about something productive for the mainspace? What happens if you exceed three edits in this case? Do you still get a warning? Oh, and what about welcoming new users? Does that count? In the past, it was just required that you have more mainspace edits than userspace edits and that you don't edit your userspace a whole lot in a short period of time.. I'm just trying to get used to this because I didn't know it had been changed back to three edits a day.. it's not like I want to edit the userspace real bad.. it's more out of pure curiosity.. (I'm like that a lot, you'll see what I mean [[Talk:Whirlwind (move)#Snorlax.3F|here]]..) --[[User:Landfish7|Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]'''7 15:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:This only applies to the userspace, not the user talk namespace. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:47, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::Of course, assuming that people aren't attempting to use their user talk namespace for userspace stuff. That'll likely get moved if you try it, and will likely result in a warning. (just in case any loophole hunters are digging through the talk page, I SEE YOU THERE) --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 02:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== Can you help me with this stuff? ==
I'm curious as to what I can put on my page. Am I allowed to put links to other pages, outside of Bulbapedia? Like a blog or something. Also, is there a rule for what might be seen as offensive language? Finally, I'd like to know where people find those things that say "This user does something-or-other." I'm sorry if these requests seem stupid, but I am pretty new here...
Thank you in advance!
[[User:Soul of Dawn|I can't stop thinking of you, the Soul of the Dawn we spent together...]] 21:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Userspace policy#Content|This pretty much sums it up]]. You're allowed to put links to pages outside Bulbapedia, as long as they're appropriate. Offensive language...you have to be remember many kids frequent this site, so try to keep it on the low. For the last part you may be looking for [[Bulbapedia:Usertags]]. Hope that helps. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
::If there is something offensive put [[User:Shiningpikablu252/PA|this]] at the top of your page. To put it on your page just type this at the top: <nowiki>{{User:Shiningpikablu252/PA}}</nowiki>

:::Yes you are allowed to link to other pages just nothing that has sexual references, innuendos, or otherwise disturbing things..

::::Oh and a list of user tags can be found [[:Category:User tags|here,]] which links to other user tag lists!!

Hope I helped!! --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

::::: Oh, thanks, both of you!☺ Like I said, I'm pretty new, so a lot of things are still a mystery to me. And not even a fun mystery, like "Sleeping Murder". [[User:Soul of Dawn|I can't stop thinking of you, the Soul of the Dawn we spent together...]] 21:41, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Bulbapedia talk:Userspace policy

2010-08-14T14:17:02Z

TakeruDavis: /* the f word */

==Per Day==
What time zone will days be counted by? The time zone each user is in, the server's timezone, something entirely different? I think this might be a very good thing to have stated in the policy, might help to avoid people proclaiming others have gone over the limit due to the day not resetting in their time zone yet, or any other time related possibilities. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 06:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
:If we have to get technical, it would be UTC. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 08:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
::Getting technical would probably be best. When things go unwritten on the policy pages, they often get questioned. See the last topic on the talk page for the {{bt|Signature policy}}. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 09:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I think it should be based on a user's own time zone. <big>[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]]</big> 01:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
::::That takes too much research for just a warning, and, not everyone has their time zone specified. It would be too much hassle for the slight benefit it would make for the person breaking the rules and editing the userspace too much. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

== Error ==

Anything we find that shouldn't be there, we will get rid of it.

Does anyone else think that this sentence is kinda wacky?--[[User:RexRacer|'''RexRacer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 23:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
:i do. i took care of it. hope its satisfactory. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:45, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

== the f word ==

are fanfics allowed, I was told they werent, but theres nothing on theres saying fanfics is not allwoed? --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Fanfics aren't allowed. They forgot to mention it on the policy, but it's been stated several times, and a while ago the admins deleted all fanfics. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''zz''']] 17:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Maybe they are allowed now? --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:No. They're not. No reason why they should ever be allowed. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''zz''']] 19:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

:Want fanfics? Then upload them on some hosting or Bulba forum and put link on user page. Nothing more, nothing less might be just okay... --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 14:17, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

== Just some things ==

This policy doesn't mention the number of additional pages which user's are allowed to have in addition to their main user space (User:<name>/<page title>). This would tie in with how much content a user would be allowed to have on their main user page (...shouldn't be larger than -- bytes). Also, if a page would become mainspace material upon completion, with Admin assent, would the number of edits per day affect this page? [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 17:21, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:ARE YOU ALLOWED FANFICS? --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::No. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Added. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:back to the topic at hand, this is something that was discussed, but ultimately never agreed on, so, i think we should agree on something. as for pages bound to become mainspace, that is based on what an admin says, we already sort of do that. i think it was {{u|Cipher}} for example made a TCG page in userspace, but then moved into mainspace, but, he had an admin's permission to edit it more than the allotted 3 times. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

== How about... ==

Instead of the limit being 3 edits per day, and users being warned for going over the limit, how about we do some work on the site that will make it so that once you've done 3 edits to the <code>User:</code> name space, the edit button disappears for the rest of the day? Think about it. It'll take a lot of work, but it'll be for the better in my opinion, because then, we won't have to worry about anyone going over the limit ever again. Discuss. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 16:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC) Anybody home? [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 22:10, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:Is that even possible?--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| カメックス]] 22:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

::Well, it was possible to create the abuse user group. However, Zhen said that it took a lot of work to do. I'd imagine my suggestion is possible, but it'd take a lot of work. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 22:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't even know if something like this is even possible. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 22:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::With a high level of hacking the MediaWiki itself, it is indeed possible. Just, who has ftp access? [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 22:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::I think developers have ftp access. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 22:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Wouldn't that with hold everyone for only doing three? There are many cases where doing more than three is allowed: reverting vandalism, redlinks, duplicate images, updating that card list. Warning users is not hard, we've been doing well with doing it. But restricting it so that you can only make three edits would cause a lot of problems. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 23:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Well, since admins are allowed to go over the limit, we could make it so that it doesn't happen to admins. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 23:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, that totally stops normal users from being Mavericks and being able to fix the problems they see themselves. Not everything has to be done by admins, you know. We check what each edit does and we figure out the warnings that way...If a template is causing a broken category, anyone is allowed to fix it...and that edit wouldn't count towards total. I just don't like the cons this would cause: because in this situation, the cons outweigh the pros. It would make things a lot harder for everyone. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 23:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:Indeed. I've gone past three edits on several occasions. Mostly due to my habit of patrolling for {{tt2|wrongly-categorised|Bad user boxes, anyone?|FF0000}} user pages. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Just to clarify for the newbies ==

I think the policypage needs a brief mention of the fact that all subpages are included under this. It is briefly alluded to in a middle paragraph but I think it needs to be made clear as crystal that the three/day rule applies to the subs. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== Personal CSS ==

What about these? Do they count as edits to the userspace or are they to be thought as "My preferences" thing?--'''[[User:Diby|Di]][[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]]''' 13:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:I was wondering this too. As of this day, I've included them into the 3-edit limit, but it'd be better if they weren't included (you can't preview all elements on different parts of the site in the Preview view). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 13:56, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
::I've already discussed this a bit, but not with the entire EB. My personal opinion is that it shouldn't count towards the limit; like Ultimate mentioned, sometimes you can's simply Show Preview.
::However. If someone is editing their user CSS page more then three times a day for multiple days in a row, then it's worthy of a warning. I mean, no user should ever need to update their CSS that much; they're the only ones who can see it, normally you just change your layout and you're done with it.
::If someone has to take five edits to finish their CSS, no big deal. If they update it every two days with five edits, then I'd consider that abuse, and warn them accordingly. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Out of Pure Curiousity ==

Is there a certain amount of userspace articles that you can have? I've been wanting to know this for at least several days, but I kept forgetting to ask. For an example, let's use me, how many User:ShinjiLover/(name)'s can I have? 10? 20? Unlimited? Love, ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]]'', '''<strike>[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|{{tt|who dreams of beating BulbaBot|Only in my dreams, huh?}}]]</strike>'''
:I heard there's only 3 allowed, but I'm not TOO sure... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::The admins want you to have three, but I'm fairly certain that doesn't include test pages for templates and articles. At least, in my view, it shouldn't (and if it does then TTE is in trouble!). But for fancrap, just three. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:12, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:::The limit is officially from me "not too many". As long as there's not a subpage for everything, it should be fine, especially if it's a to-be-mainspace'd project, which I have several of.
:::Anyway, three cheers, guys, for being well-behaved, the limit on edits is now '''''four''''' per day without warning. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== 3 or 4 Edits? ==

I've been seeing so many changes to this rule. I've gotten in trouble for make four edits to my userspace, and then someone said that making four was fine. After that, I read that Bulbapedia no longer allows four edits but, rather, three again. So which is it? ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 02:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:Neither. The limit itself has been abolished. However, if the majority of your edits are to your userpage, or user subpages, or if you do exceed around 6 in a short period of time. You can be warned. Keep the userspace edits to a minimum, and there's little to worry about. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 02:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

::Simply put, it's like the {{wp|Speed limits in the United States#Montana|speed limits in Montana}} prior to 1999. Reasonable and prudent, with no limits otherwise. As long as it's kept within reasonable means, you won't get in trouble; of course, enough edits to flood the [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] is enough to get set to abuse right away, similar to how the Montana speed limit law ended up changed. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Games ==

Why aren't games or fake characters allowed in userspace? --[[User:HideInTheDark|HideInTheDark]] 18:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:User games have had many problems in the past, but I do not know why fake characters are not allowed. Ask {{u|TTEchidna|TTE}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::Every user and his dog had a game, or a fake character and fanfics. Some users had 20+ sub pages just for themselves, and edited it constantly. They were getting more attention and were basic beacons to EDIT the user space only. So they're gone.[[User:DCM]] 21:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Thank you for explaining it, DCM. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::::I read that wrong. Fake characters lead to fan fics. fan fics lead to games. It doesnt benefit the pedia in anyway, it harms it.[[User:DCM]] 21:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, not necessarily. But not to get into an arguement; I still believe that they shouldn't be allowed. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== "Fake Characters" ==

The policy states that you CANNOT make your own new characters/Pokémon, but the "new member greeting" post on my talk page directly contradicts that. Should the"welcome" message be altered?--[[User:Vib|Vib]] 00:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
:Go for it. Just not too many, okay? A ton of userspace edits will still slow down the server. Kinda like it was this morning.... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:57, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

== Intent? ==

Hai, noob here. I'm just wondering what the intent of the userspace edit rule is; why it exists. It's the first of its kind I've encountered. [[User:AlishaShatogi|AlishaShatogi]] 08:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
:In the past, every second user had pages and pages and pages of unencyclopedic crap. This took a huge toll on the server (every single tiny edit was saved forever and ever), and by disallowing edits here, the creation and growth of our Pokémon encyclopedia has improved a bazillion percent. It's nothing personal against anyone, but we are ''not'' Facebook or Myspace, we are Pokémon fans building a reference point about our hobby, interest and (in some extreme cases) obsession. The "don't edit lots" rule is similar, as we encourage you to contribute to articles instead of making your own personal webpage. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
::Ahah. That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. [[User:AlishaShatogi|AlishaShatogi]] 08:42, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Permanent? ==

Is the inability to edit user pages permanent? [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 10:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:No, but considering you've only lost yours for a day now, there's a long way to go yet. Generally, the required sentence is approximately a month, but the true deciding factor is the way you edit the articles. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::A whole month? Damn! OK, so what is the true deciding factor? What do I have to do to shorten this sentence? [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 14:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Actually edit the mainspace, and gain the privilege back. You were only editing your page for two weeks and nothing else. That's a problem. You must balence your edits. So, instead of complaining, find some content pages to edit. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah, I see. OK. Then I will carry on with a personal project of mine: to add the Dutch names of all attacks to their pages. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 14:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::OK, I've been editing lots of mainspace pages, and still my privileges are taken. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 20:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Relax. If all you want to do is edit your userspace--if that's why you're here--well, you're here for the wrong reasons. -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 21:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::That's not entirely why I'm here. I'm here to help out and add all things in the Dutch language because no-one else here seems to be capable to do so. But editing my userpage is also why I'm here, because I need to keep my YouTube subscribers up to date. And I can't do that if I can't edit my userpage. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 21:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::OK, honestly, my editing priviliges are still revoked? I only made 3 userpage edits and I immediately lose them again? I made over 25 edits to mainspace pages and my priviliges are still revoked? That's pretty effed up, IMO. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 13:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::The reason you lost your privileges was because of the 25 userspace edits you made in a row at the start of July. You never actually got them back around the end of July; we had a minor technical hiccup which meant the abuse usergroup was, essentially, broken. I'll bring your case up to a {{bp|bureaucrat}}, but they will have the final say. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Ah, so that explains why I got the ability to edit my userpages back for a short while. I was already wondering why I'd lost them again, since I kept myself to the '3 edits a day' rule. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 09:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

== ..."Pages or templates that spoof the interface." ==

Does this mean I have to delete my [[User:Alpha Totodile/Template|userspace template]]? --'''[[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|α]][[User:Alpha Totodile|ワニ]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|ノコ]]''' 13:17, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

== Grammatical error ==

Could someone change "for the details of its users everyday lives" in the Warnings section to "for the details of its users' everyday lives"? Thanks. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 15:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 15:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== Max userspace size? ==

I haven't been able to find an answer to this, so I'm hoping there is one... Is there a limit on how large (in bytes) a user page is allowed to be? I'm asking because I noticed that my main user page is about 22,000 bytes (guh wow x_X must have gone overboard experimenting with wikicode or something...), and I want to make sure I'm not being a bad girl. :( Thanks in advance~ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
:Nothing that I know of, and mine is the same size as yours.--[[User:GreenGyarados|♫Green]][[Gyarados (Pokémon)|♫ギャラドス♫]][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|Talk♫]] 02:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
::Oh well that's a relief. Guess they must not have had any problems in the past about getting userpages that looked something like... oh, [http://www.belladesoto.us/ this I guess]. (I don't suggest clicking that link btw. It's worksafe and all, it just takes about three hours to load completely.) [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:57, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
:::No size limit. If it ever crashes my browser I'll be sure to let you know ;) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:47, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Awesome, thanks! ♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:21, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

== I'm beggining to see a pattern . . . ==

Despite the Welcome template making it obvious to keep Userspace edits to a minimum I have a feeling it hasn't been obvious enough. It hasn't been too accesive recently but I have noticed that new users despite the info in the Welcome template users still seem to overlook it. For example when I was new I could hardly understand what to think of the userspace policy for a while. ({{tt|If you see my recent edits you'll see I have certainly changed that|"Now time to edit the mainspace" or "OK, WAY TOO MANY USERSPACE EDITS!!!! TO THE MAINSPACE!!!" Or whatever}}) Is there something we can do, to lightly, but very obviously let new users know that a majority of edits shall be to the mainspace '''AND''' that they shouldn't just be making random mainspace edits so they can edit their userspace. What I mean by the latter is that we tell them that their goal shouldn't be to edit their userpage and that it should be to help Bulbapedia. We could also tell them about the forums. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]7 22:20, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:We keep a user in abuse when they create an account and when they make many mainspace edits, they could be taken out of it. Though I don't know how this could be implemented to make it automatic. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:29, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

== Minimum to first edit your userspace? ==

There's a message that I must make a certain number of mainspace edits before I am allowed to edit my userspace, but I can't find any information about this (especially not a specific number) anywhere. I've been working on episode pages as I come across them, but some edits are confined to Talk pages, as I feel gaining consensus is more important than going in and making an edit. What is required before I'm allowed to create a user space for myself? -[[User:Disinfect|Disinfect]] 23:13, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:That information is apparently withheld deliberately to discourage new users from simply attempting to fulfill a certain amount of mainspace edits. Basically, the rule seems to be: edit as much as you can and you'll get that privelage eventually.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::MisterE13's got it right. If we revealed the threshold amount of edits, then people would just make exactly that many edits and then edit their userpage a billion times and never contribute to the mainspace again. I know not everyone does this, but too many people ''did'', and that spoiled it for everyone :/ just keep finding things to edit and surely you will get the priveledge soon. [[Special:WantedPages]], [[:Category:Stubs]], and [[:Category:Articles needing improvement]] are good places to look if you want to edit but don't know where to start. :) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I understand the logic behind it, but it's rather discouraging that it's not an automated process (you have to get noticed by an admin basically), and without a Talk page describing your areas of knowledge you seem unprofessional. There are tons of policies in place to prevent userspace abuse, I guess I just worry that people with these privileges aren't don't experience the policies they've created, and thus don't understand the mindset of not being able to establish yourself until you've established yourself. And yes, I watch the stub notices for AG series episodes and contribute where I see need, but many synopses claiming to need attention seem fairly complete to me. [[User:Disinfect|Disinfect]] 00:36, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Not an automated process? Oh believe me, it is. We don't move users into autoconfirmed. The wiki does it for us. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh my mistake, I must have misinterpreted the talknote above this one. [[User:Disinfect|Disinfect]] 00:59, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::If the synopsis is complete, then feel free to remove it. If someone disagrees with you, then they'll put it back and (hopefully) state why. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:07, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Define day ==

That may sound incredibly ridiculous at first glance, but "day" can be defined many different ways. Is it a 24 hour period of time? 12 hours? Until midnight? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 07:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Per day is a 24-hour period, and we use the UTC clock at the top of the site generally. Basically, if you've got all your edits listed as being on the same date in the page history, then it's considered to be within one day. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 11:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== Filling up of "abuse" ==

The group of abuse is getting quite large, and it's full of inactive users. Isn't it time to let the inactive ones go? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 19:12, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== Sidepages ==

I recently made a sidepage to my userpage, and I was wondering, am I allowed to edit my actual userpage three times per day and my sidepage three time per day, or just only three times per day collectively. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis29]] ([[User talk:Zewis29|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|Contribs]]) 17:16, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:All of them count towards your 3 edits. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 17:59, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

The "Shiny" in "Shiny Psyduck" should link to [[Shiny Pokémon]], not Alternate Coloration. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== CSS ==

The system doesn't let you preview your monobook.css file when you edit it, so that shouldn't be counted towards the total (or should only be counted as a single edit). Or maybe there should be a way to preview the CSS before saving. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:...But you ''can'' preview the CSS. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
::If you click preview, it doesn't show up. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Most edits to the CSS ''will'' show up in the preview - try copying [[User:Umeko/monobook.css|my monobook]], copy it over yours, press preview, and tell me what you see. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

:Generally, edits to CSS pages aren't as big of a deal, because depending on the edit, it can't always be previewed (like Umeko said, it can be previewed; the only times you won't see it are if the CSS is affecting only specific pages, or if you're coding it incorrectly). So long as you're not making five CSS edits every day for no apparent reason, you probably won't get in trouble over it. Just don't get in a habit of changing your CSS often, it's generally the sort of thing you only need to change on rare occasions. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 03:46, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Subpages ==

Okay, so if you edit one of your subpages, it counts towards your 3 edits a day. But what if that subpage actually contributes to Bulbapedia? Say someone was working on a new template for the mainspace articles, and decided to make it in the userspace first, or someone wanted to create an article about something but had to keep it in the userspace to be approved before it was mainspaced. Would editing subpages like that count towards your 3 edits, or would that be ignored for those pages since they do/will contribute to the mainspace? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 18:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure it doesn't count towards your three edits if it's meant for the mainspace. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
::I've read somewhere that you are allowed to have a lot more edits to a page for the mainspace, and that they don't count for your three edits a day. Also, maybe you want to add [[User:Maverick Nate/Mainspace]] to your page? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:02, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== 3 Edits ==

This seems a tad vaque to me.. obviously it should NEVER be a top priority to edit your userpage.. but what about saying something on someone's talk page about something productive for the mainspace? What happens if you exceed three edits in this case? Do you still get a warning? Oh, and what about welcoming new users? Does that count? In the past, it was just required that you have more mainspace edits than userspace edits and that you don't edit your userspace a whole lot in a short period of time.. I'm just trying to get used to this because I didn't know it had been changed back to three edits a day.. it's not like I want to edit the userspace real bad.. it's more out of pure curiosity.. (I'm like that a lot, you'll see what I mean [[Talk:Whirlwind (move)#Snorlax.3F|here]]..) --[[User:Landfish7|Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]'''7 15:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:This only applies to the userspace, not the user talk namespace. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:47, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::Of course, assuming that people aren't attempting to use their user talk namespace for userspace stuff. That'll likely get moved if you try it, and will likely result in a warning. (just in case any loophole hunters are digging through the talk page, I SEE YOU THERE) --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 02:23, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== Can you help me with this stuff? ==
I'm curious as to what I can put on my page. Am I allowed to put links to other pages, outside of Bulbapedia? Like a blog or something. Also, is there a rule for what might be seen as offensive language? Finally, I'd like to know where people find those things that say "This user does something-or-other." I'm sorry if these requests seem stupid, but I am pretty new here...
Thank you in advance!
[[User:Soul of Dawn|I can't stop thinking of you, the Soul of the Dawn we spent together...]] 21:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Userspace policy#Content|This pretty much sums it up]]. You're allowed to put links to pages outside Bulbapedia, as long as they're appropriate. Offensive language...you have to be remember many kids frequent this site, so try to keep it on the low. For the last part you may be looking for [[Bulbapedia:Usertags]]. Hope that helps. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
::If there is something offensive put [[User:Shiningpikablu252/PA|this]] at the top of your page. To put it on your page just type this at the top: <nowiki>{{User:Shiningpikablu252/PA}}</nowiki>

:::Yes you are allowed to link to other pages just nothing that has sexual references, innuendos, or otherwise disturbing things..

::::Oh and a list of user tags can be found [[:Category:User tags|here,]] which links to other user tag lists!!

Hope I helped!! --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

::::: Oh, thanks, both of you!☺ Like I said, I'm pretty new, so a lot of things are still a mystery to me. And not even a fun mystery, like "Sleeping Murder". [[User:Soul of Dawn|I can't stop thinking of you, the Soul of the Dawn we spent together...]] 21:41, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Template talk:Welcome

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== Archives ==

*[[/Archive1|Archive 1]] (discussions from January 4 – November 26, 2008) - Old Welcome talk
*[[/Archive2|Archive 2]] (discussions from November 26 – December 4, 2008) - The vote to new Welcome

== Welcome ==

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*{{bp|Style primer}}
*{{bp|Manual of style}}
*{{bp|Link templates}}
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due to an overwhelming vote of 3 - 27 - 5 - 5, Kogoro's Welcome template has been decided as the new official welcome template. and now i presume some of you will complain a bit, and by all means, go right ahead. just be aware that at least 27 people won't agree with you. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

:Now that this template is taken into use, I think we should think the problem arising from the fact that somebody may like to hide the box. How do we ensure that this can easily be done by that user, or are we going to force him/her to display this green splash on the top of his/her talk page? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

::One could add <code>class="expandable"</code> to the table to minimize it. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 23:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

:::That's true. However, we should make that very easy so I think the template could have some kind of instructions to do that for the new users. Or then they can just ask. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 00:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

::::The only problem in that is that it makes it easy for a newbie to just click and hide it, then ignore it completely. Having it right out there constantly should definitely get them to notice it, and hopefully they will bother to check it out. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] -

:::::exactly. besides, is it really hurting anything? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:30, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

::::::Actually, it seems to be a more efficient way to display ways new users can help out. Nice style choices, as well. [[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 00:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Resetting indentI still like the format of the old welcome better (we really don't need a big box), but this one improves the actual content so I can live with it. Congrts, Kogoro! [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 00:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:I'll congratulate Kogoro on the effort put in. Still looks all RAWR INDIMIDATING LINKS WITH NO EXPLANATION for me though. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:08, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::I think that the bottommost row should be a different color. If the users siggy is a lightish color, it ends up looking like crap.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 21:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:::then change your signature color. it shouldnt be changed because one or two users have light signatures[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::::Heh,your sig is too light for it too.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 22:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::I couldnt care less.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

(reset indent) I just added a small white background to the signature itself, so people with light or green signatures should show up normally now. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 03:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== Template needs the CoC ==

Mention of Bulbaquette somewhere would be good, seeing as it's now official. Of course, this will throw everything majorly off balance... :/ — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, I know. Both the guide to Bulbapedia, and CoC can go into a section above Getting Started. Something like this:

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*[[Bulbapedia:A guide to Bulbapedia|A guide to Bulbapedia]]
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Just prettier and more useful. --[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
:Clarky... I really hate to say but, that modification isn't all that pretty. The logo is way oversized now. And the bullets really look off in the header. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 08:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
::Oooooowwwwwwwwwww, I know. I'm horrible. --[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
:::No, you're not...... but your template is. Put the guide under "getting started" and the CoC under "policies and guidelines". Then find something important-ish to go under the third column, to even it out. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:44, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Like the update that has just been done perhaps? ;) - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 08:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, maybe.... ;) — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like a great idea. --[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 09:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

== An unimportant edit request ==

Move the noinclude tag to the end of the template, to prevent huge whitespace underneath when substing the template and adding additional comments underneath. Please. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

== I know no one ever reads their green blob, but.... ==

Could be productive to mention the userspace thing in brief without making them click the link. No one ever clicks the links, and it is more likely that they read the blurb below. I'm thinking a sentence like "if you want to create a userpage, feel free, but don't edit too many times or you may be blocked from editing it." ... or stuff. Anyhoo..... — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:58, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Could we do something like this:

==Welcome==
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*[[Help:Editing|Basic overview of wiki code]]
*{{bp|Style primer}}
*{{bp|Manual of style}}
*{{bp|Link templates}}
*{{bp|A guide to Bulbapedia‎|Guide to Bulbapedia}}
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*{{bp|Signature policy}}
*{{bp|Userspace policy}}
*{{bp|Username policy}}
*{{bp|Image reversion policy}}
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It tells them about their userpage so that 1.they know where they can express themselves so that they don't do it on other pages e.g: No "Oooh cute" on Clefairy's page. 2. I hate typing User:... and coming up with a redlink and I don't think I'm the only one.--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokémon lovers]] [[User talk:Pokemonguy1|Any questions]] 02:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:No one has to make a userpage if they don't want to. If you're searching for someone, search for their talk page, as every un-permablocked user has a talk page. The problem is that some people edit their userpage more than anything else. Two months down the track, this really isn't a concern any more, although minimalistic editing is encouraged. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:13, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::I'm amused that despite the largest implication of this welcome template lying on how the new users receive it, most of the decisions put forth into the template are put forth by more or less seasoned wiki-ers that simply cannot view the template from a newbie point of view, and yet you fail to recognize the significance of the idea (or any!) put forth by this fairly new user. [[User:Totallynotnova|Totallynotnova]] 02:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

== Under "signatures" ==

I think it should be noted that images are not allowed in signatures. What do you think? ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 03:48, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:Eh, it links to the policy, and we're trying to keep it super duper simple. A big list of all the pointers was the old ineffective welcome that we got rid of. Thanks for the suggestion, though.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[User talk:RexRacer|Racer''']] 03:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

== talk page comments ==

Should it be noted on here that talk page comments are not allowed to be removed? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:34, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
:The template used to be a lot bigger - but we made it shorter because people don't really bother reading a huge wall of text. It has links to the welcome portal, which has links to all our policies. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 16:06, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

== List of Admins link ==

Bulbapedia:Administrators is no longer a complete list of users with powers. May I suggest a page called "Bulbapedia:List of staff members"? It'd have everybody with at least the Jr. Admin (or maybe just Admin) power, and that's what the welcome would link to... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 23:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:I want to update the entire welcome again. This will just be a quickfix. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:44, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== How to round borders in other browsers ==

Hey, guys! I notice you only have the -moz-border-radius coding on there. Well, I got a secret for ya! You may want to use this on other templates/pages, too. There's other border-rounding HTML codes for various browsers. Here's a list:
*-moz-border-radius
*border-radius
*webkit-border-radius
*khtml-border-radius
Those four are the only ones I know, at the moment. I haven't found any others. I'll make it into a template like we did at WK so that you can use it to your heart's content! Anyways, use those like you would with -moz-border-radius code. Good day![[User:ZW Neo|__Neo]][[User talk:ZW Neo|(T)]][[zw:Main Page|(Home)]] 01:37, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:Template made! See Template:round for information![[User:ZW Neo|__Neo]][[User talk:ZW Neo|(T)]][[zw:Main Page|(Home)]] 01:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::Two steps ahead of you, we've had [[Template:roundy|a template]] that roundies corners in every browser (?) except IE... for a couple of months, actually. We just need to template-ize all the templates... ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 01:48, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:::ROUNDY!!!!! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:50, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::::XD Oops! My bad! Well, I guess you can delete the template I made, then :P[[User:ZW Neo|__Neo]][[User talk:ZW Neo|(T)]][[zw:Main Page|(Home)]] 01:51, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:55, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Bot ==

Has it been explained why there isn't a bot for this? [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 17:06, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:If you look to the first subsection on the first Archive, TTE says it can be done, but it's easy to see the new accounts and do it manually. I seem to have been doing the majority of it lately, and yeah, it's pretty easy to just go to the User Creation Log, open up new tabs for all of 'em, and then paste the template in. A bot would be helpful, but I don't think we get enough new people everyday to need it. Plus, it might be nice to have an actual person do it in case the newbie needs some help or something. BulbaBot won't be answering many questions. ~~ '''[[User:Scyther Be Awesome|Scyther Be Awesome!]] [[User talk:Scyther Be Awesome|Talk!]]''' 17:17, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Not to mention that the local bot of bulbapedia is considered evil according to the administrator page. But anyways, yeah, a bot can't just help a newbie, and users can explain in more ways, so if said n00b doesn't understand, they can reword it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:23, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:::''it might be nice to have an actual person do it'' This. The personal touch. Also, messages left by bots don't give you the green messagebar. And we want everyone to read their welcome. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:12, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

== Expandable ==

I wonder if it could get expandable class added to current one?
Like this:
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The Manual of Style, or MoS, outlines the format of all pages on Bulbapedia.
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'''On {{bp|talk page}}s, please sign your comments with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), or by using the "Your signature with a timestamp" (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/skins/common/images/button_sig.png) button at the top of the edit window.'''
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On Bulbapedia, the ability to edit personal userpages is a privilege. Per our userpage policy, this must be earned by first making constructive edits to the {{bp|mainspace}}. Once you can, remember to keep userspace edits (edits to User:{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>BASEPAGENAME}}) to a minimum.
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::Then no one would read it. Like they ever do anyway, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Or make it opposite, expanded, but with hide button --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 03:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
::::If people want to get the welcome template off their talk page, all they have to do is archive the page. I don't see any reason for it to be collapsible. [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 03:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::I like what we have now (it needs to have the basics visible by default) however it would seem that hide/show section could also contain the numerous links that were cut when we went to the streamlined version. These don't have to be visible by default but are generally useful links for new users. (I know they can find them by clicking the four links that are there, but we should be trying to make things as easy as possible for new users.) My two cents, refunds available.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 03:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::I like {{u|The dark lord trombonator/Welcome|this one}}. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::{{tt|Valid point|archiving}}, Phantom --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 13:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

User talk:TakeruDavis

2010-08-14T03:16:59Z

TakeruDavis: /* Hold on! */

==Welcome==
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<div style="float: center;">[[Image:Bulbapedia_logo.png|50px|left]]<big>Welcome to Bulbapedia, TakeruDavis!</big> As a new user, you may wish to learn a few things that will be useful in your editing:</div>
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*[[Help:Editing|Basic overview of wiki code]]
*{{bp|Style primer}}
*{{bp|Manual of style}}
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*{{bp|A guide to Bulbapedia‎|Guide to Bulbapedia}}
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*To upload images, please use the [[a:Main Page|Bulbagarden Archives]]. To activate your account at the Archives, please login there using the same username and password you use here on Bulbapedia. This may also be used to activate an account at [[n:Main Page|Bulbanews]].
*If you wish to make a page for a character you made up, please do so at User:TakeruDavis/Name.
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== Signature Policy ==

You are not allowed to have images in your signature. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

: Oh, damned. Okay, I change it, but what about those who use pokemon sprites - also images - in their signatures? --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]] 18:31, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::Look at the dates on those comments that have sprites in the signatures: They are all from before the policy was implemented, and those users have since removed the sprites from their signatures. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:51, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

==Hi==
I noticed you have been editing the <code>User:</code> namespace a lot recently. Please don't do it any more, though. Bulbapedia's {{bp|Userspace policy}} restricts the amount you can edit your userpage. This policy was instated to prevent strain on our server, and also to promote people helping out in the {{bp|mainspace}}. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, after all, so help us out by contributing to some articles before coming back to your personal userpage. The more often you edit in the mainspace, the more you will be allowed to edit your userpage. Thanks! --— [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 22:31, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Romanization ==

I have a question. You see, I decided to do some Romanization work.

Some names can be Romanized with only one result, some gives many combinations.

I of course skip those which gives more than one result,
creating olny templates of those, where mistake shouldn't occur.
I hope it's okay. --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 20:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

== Userspace editing ==

Please note that the limit on userspace editing is three edits per server day. This is measured in {{wp|UTC}}. You can see the current time in UTC at the top of every page, next to your username. Although your recent edits may have spanned two days in your own time zone, you've made four edits in the current server day.

In other words, please monitor your edits closer, but stop now and go make some mainspace edits. We'd appreciate it if you did. Cheers, —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:14, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

:Ouch, sorry. I always try not to save since Axxonn told me about limit and I hit preview always when I update my User page... sorry I did that, preview doesnt help with testing templates (parameters and such.. I dont know how to test them). I noticed that before I went to bed and kept the repairing for time after I woken up... I guess I should copy local templates namespace to my experimental wiki and test them there >_< --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 14:06, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

==Hold on!==
If you did not read your last warning, then please read it now. You have edited the <code>User:</code> namespace too much. In the past, no one was allowed to edit their userpages because some users were over-editing their own userpages. Your personal editing privileges can be taken away, so please do not edit your page any more for now. Instead, how about helping contribute to some of Bulbapedia's many articles? Thank you. --—♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 03:00, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
:I'll try... like I said previously, its quite hard to build templates, cause preview doesnt always help. Thats quite disadvantage of wiki >_< but I am trying to fit into 3xday limit ....... I helped with lots of side articles (romanizations, shippings..) without updating my userspace :-( --[[User:TakeruDavis|TakeruDavis]][[:a:File:TakeruDavis.gif|[1]]] 03:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Template talk:Welcome

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TakeruDavis: /* Expandable */

2010-08-12T14:06:22Z

TakeruDavis: /* Userspace editing */

TakeruDavis: Created page with '{| class="expandable" align="left" style="background: #{{crystal color}}; width: 100%; max-width: 100%; -moz-border-radius: 30px; border: 4px solid #{{crystal color dark}}; paddi…'

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