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== Battle judge ==

Nice article. Just remember that when you create pages you should link to them in other articles so that people can find them (and improve them!). If they don't get links they'll end up on [[Special:LonelyPages|this dungheap]]. Cheers, —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:It was late, trom. x_x That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Feeling Shipping ==

I have noticed no one made a Yellow and Green page yet.is it ok if i make one? {{unsigned|Rubybrendan}}
:Administrative note: moved here from Luna's talk archive —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== A question ==

Ah... hello. I have a question relating a shipping article that I started (sorry, did so without permission...) and was deleted by Magnedeth for reasons I don't quite understand; it doesn't help that no discussion items were left behind.

The ship is the SoulSilver one (Silver/Lyra), from HGSS. That one ship bothers me to no end, but I acknowledge that it's valid, so I thought it would be a good idea to start the article over at the shipping category, where I couldn't find it by that name (the only one I know for it), nor by checking the category for Silver nor HGSS pairings. And since over at the TV Tropes wiki it's no big deal for anybody to create an article, I went ahead with the idea, and let it remain a stub because it really is not my ship of choice.

Shortly thereafter, the article was deleted. I went to look at the Project Shipping page (...again; I had checked it before many times), which was the one I guessed was the relevant one for the case, and I kind of didn't find my article violating the rules, so I was left with just a question (OK, at last, this one goes for you): why was the article on the SoulSilverShipping deleted? --[[User:KayiR|KayiR]] 07:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

:It was deleted on the basis that the article would never be more than a stub, and all of its hints would be the same as Huntershipping. It would be like making an article for Clingyshipping (Barry/Lucas), NewRivalshipping (May/Wally) or Namelessshipping (Fire!Red/Blue) and expecting the article to be exceptionally different from (and not something that could be c/p'd to) an article on Conflictingshipping (Blue/Leaf), Loverivalshipping (Brendan/Wally), or a game!version only article of {{s|Twinleaf}}.
:Anything that could be said about SoulSilvershipping could be equally applied to Huntershipping; it's not exactly an exclusive 'ship in terms of its hints. And seeing as the opposite gender NPC doesn't crash into the rival at any point (save for the very beginning), the NPC cannot give an individual account of what they think of Silver, which takes even more individual hints away. The entire basis of either 'ship needs to come from Silver (you being the silent protag), and anything he says to Lyra is also the same thing he says to Ethan. So what's considered a hint for one must be considered a hint for the other. It'd be a pretty bias article, on that front. I'll think about if anything can be done in other ways for the couple, but as an individual article, I don't think it will stand up. Thank you for asking, though. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

::Mmm... And shouldn't it be better to at least acknowledge its existence, then say something like "the hints that apply to HunterShipping apply for SoulSilverShipping"? I mean, in case someone else with the same idea as me, but an actual supporter of the ship, came around and made an even bigger fuss? --[[User:KayiR|KayiR]] 17:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

:::We hold stricter notability standards for shipping articles. Not every pairing thought of by three fans deserves an entire page. For the ships that aren't notable for their own pages, we have lists of ships. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 17:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Except SoulSilvershipping is ''popular'', Buzz. However, popularity isn't a reason for notability if its article cannot sustain itself properly. And if people who support it come along and wish to make it, they will likely be given the same reasons they cannot. And like I said, I'll think of something for it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Don't some shipping articles have "other names for this ship" sections? Maybe a similar section could be added to HunterShipping, noting that SoulSilverShipping is the shipping name for Silver/Lyra, which goes by the same hints... I realize this could cause a fuss for a completely different reason, but it was the first thing I thought of, so I thought I'd suggest it. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== Specialshipping ==

How isn't Specialshipping canon?! --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 23:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:....Because Kusaka didn't make it canon...? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:25, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
::Red and Yellow's [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedStringOfFate red string of fate] doesn't count? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 23:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That simply means they're destined in some fashion; if this were a shoujo series, I'd be more inclined to agree, but it's shounen. It ain't canon until they're confirmed feelings. Frantic did it, and even Graceful referred back to having been ex-canon and possibly future canon. Commoner is apparently one-sided, which doesn't make it canon at all in terms of romance, but canon in terms of character traits.
:::I don't take kindly to people who assume 'ships are true when they are undoubtedly not. In the mean time, the red string is still only a hint. A hint to possibly something bigger, but even without a partial confession, or a scene where it's obvious their dating, it's not canon. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Luckyshipping ==

For the trivia you mentioned, "I was wary of the second piece of trivia before, but I've decided neither are viable. The rumor is left because its directly related to the manga's events". Did you notice it was in the trivia section? It's just some unimportant facts that people should know. It doesn't necessarily mean Trivia has to be with the Manga. Sorry to bother you about it ^^ Just wondering why it was removed.
[[User:XLuckyshipper|Luckyshipping - Because they're lucky to be together]] 00:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:I did notice it was trivia (I said it was as much). I removed it because while color-linking is common in video games, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a connection to the 'ship itself. Color-linking usually has a blue-red(-black) pattern, but in this case, it's not connected to the original series, seeing as it's Red/Green+Blue, not Red/Blue+Green (and that would only be a hint for the hero/rival, because the girl is the +1 regardless of what colors you do). J!Blue is an afterthought beyond J!Red/Green.
:I also removed the trivia on BurningLeafshipping, because Red and Leaf don't exist in the same space in the games. If you choose Red, Leaf doesn't exist in-game, and vice-versa. It's commonly accepted they're meant to be the same person, as in, they're different gender variants of the same being: the hero. BurningLeafshipping has as much connection to Luckyshipping as Twinleafshipping has to Haughtyshipping: entirely different circumstances. One's relation has no impact on the other's.
:That was pretty much why. *nod* [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 00:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, I see now. Thank you for the response; I understand now. [[User:XLuckyshipper|Luckyshipping - Because they're lucky to be together]] 19:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== Headline text ==
Hello. I hope I'm leaving the comment right... Umm does bulbapedia need an article on Coupleshipping?? If so may I do it please. (Sry I'm new here....) [[User:Diamond-Contestshipper|Diamond-Contestshipper]] 16:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:Coupleshipping? No such thing. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 19:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::Oh...I saw it on google so..yeah sorry about that. :( [[User:Diamond-Contestshipper|Diamond-Contestshipper]] 16:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:::First of all, you ought to give relevant titles to sections you make. "Headline text" doesn't explain a thing about what you're trying to ask. Secondly, you don't need to start a new section if your new post is on the topic of your previous section. Just indent (using ":") to reply to a previous post. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:Technically, Coupleshipping is "Lucas/Mars/Dawn" and nothing Dawn/Ash/Drew/May/whatever related. And 3somes don't get articles. But any articles we do need are [[Bulbapedia:Project_Shipping/To-do_list|here]], so please feel free, once you read the requirements for making an article. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Grings Kōdai ==
Hey, sorry to bug you, but I was wondering if we could get [[Kōdai]] moved to [[Grings Kōdai]] now. The movie's out, and I see no reason to believe that isn't his canon full name. Just wanted to ask. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 07:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:Better to ask something like Kenji on that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== New Shipping ==

Excuse me, I have a very important shipping that needs to be added. I belive it is you i must talk to to create it. It is called either HatShipping or JohtoShipping, wich ever you think is better, and it is between Lyra and Ethan. Also, could it be on
Category:Shipping as well as The List of shippers? If nessacary, I will write the page for you. Its sorta like the FortuneShipping of Johto. Speaking of wich, you could probably edit piece of trivia no 8 a bit on your page. [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|Yata.]]--Dermodio 15:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:Lyra/Ethan is called HeartSoulshipping, and I'm not sure at all if they even interact enough in-game for an article. If you want to try to write an article, first make it in your userspace. Something like '''User:Dermodia/HeartSoulShipping''' and if the article turns out fine, we can make it a full-fledged article. But if it doesn't make the cut, it will not be. You understand? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Okely Dokely. I will do so as soon as possible. --Dermodio 09:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== My edit in the AdvanceShipping article ==

Hi, I hope it's ok that I'm putting this here and not on the AdvanceShipping discussion page, but I was afraid you wouldn't see this there, since it wasn't used in nearly 2 years...

Anyway, You removed the part I added about the Prince and King of the Sea.

I just wanted to clarify that I didn't mean to say that the titles are related is a fact, just that it's another possible support to the Manaphy sees Ash as his Father theory (I did call it a theory, after all). And Ash is called the King of the Sea, [[Ship]] states that "He who holds the Sea Crown shall become the true King of the Sea." when explaining Ash new powers (At least in the Japanese version, I didn't saw the dubbed version so I don't know if something similar was said there).

Again, I hope that I'm not doing anything wrong by putting this here. [[User:Cag|Cag]] 16:27, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Wild speculation without basis doesn't belong on these articles, much like it doesn't belong on any mainspace article. Context is one thing, but nothing I removed is relative to the theory. You implied the titles were related simply by using it as "support" for a theory that's pretty far-fetched to begin with and shouldn't be in the article at all (but I'm letting it stay anyway). Without a connection to the titles, you're basically inserting [[fanon]], and I've grounds to remove what isn't supported in canon.
:And if that is the line, then Ash's claim to the "King of the Sea" title is a throw-away line, BTW. Nothing more than a statement connecting back to the legend without impacting Ash's story. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:: I can't exactly say I agree with you about it being baseless speculation, but I see your point (Well, since you're the project leader, I guess it doesn't really matter whether I see your point or not XD). Oh well, at least most of my edit is still there for now. Thanks for answering my question! :) [[User:Cag|Cag]] 19:51, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Shipping article ==
ok so can i add ships i think need an article in the Well it would be nice... section? [[User:Mash4eva|Mash4eva]] 15:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You could, but if I don't think the pairing would make a decent article, I'll only take it off. And if you make too many of those, it'll only be annoying, you know? It's too presumptuous. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==NegaiShipping==
Does the link at the bottom count as "hints"?[[User:Patrickmck|Patrickmck]] 22:33, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:The link at the bottom counts as an external link to a person's personal blog/website. It's content is also questionable and biased, despite claiming otherwise, as context is not given. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== ok i'll stop adding to the shipping list like crazy ==

sorry if that offended you. the reason why i added to the list because there's a lot of shippings i think need pages to them. one shipping though i think needs a page the most is curtainshipping. {{unsigned|Mash4eva}}
:You didn't "offend" me; but what you seem to think needs an article really can't, only because there's absolutely no substance to any you've added so far. Now, Curtainshipping has had an article before. It was deleted in a purge. It wasn't a good article then; there wasn't much to Maylene or Reggie's interactions beyond "they know each other." Not to mention, it's not a notable 'ship anymore, and that's what matters at this point. Curtainshipping doesn't have notability. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 05:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

ok and do you who runs the incomplete shippers list?[[User:Mash4eva|Mash4eva]] 01:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, I do. Why? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks :D ==

Thanks for backing me up on the color thing about the name for Abagoura! --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 02:22, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not a problem at all. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

== New ==
Hi, I'm new, and I want to help. I have only seen episodes 1-227, and I know them pretty well. [[User:Loghomewill|Loghomewill]] 01:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Awesome job, <strike>dude</strike> ma'am! ==

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Thank you, Luna, for the countless hours of effort you've put in over the years and especially the last few months. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
: What the hell is up with this weekend? o.O ...Thanks guys. =) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::We're watching you Luna. >:D It's about time you got rewarded for your efforts, congratulations. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::>D I can live with this (though I don't think watching me is any fun). Thanks for the nom', btw. *hug* [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:10, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== WOAH WOAH WOAH!! ==

Who said you could start updating the articles with the disambiguation notices!? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 16:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:... *points to every other pogey page* You know they finished that process, right? The ones I did were just the missed scraps. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::NO NO NO!! [[User talk:MAGNEDETH#Nidoran?|They haven't confirmed the change yet!]] --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 16:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::{{cat|Disambiguation pages for Pokémon|That was four-six days ago}}. You missed it when they did the whole thing, did you. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:47, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I'll give you that but five-six days ago we made a similar misconception when our very own Editor-In-Chief made a similar page, believe it or not, he was wrong at the time, it hadn't been confirmed yet, at least, according to [[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]]. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_pages_lacking_disambiguation_notices] --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 16:53, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::All of which I'm well aware of, and more. What you seemed to have missed it that, despite the move "not being confirmed" publicly, it's been done. Have you ''looked'' on the pokémon pages? Any one that has a dismbig? They were ''all'' updated with the disambig in the header. By mods. By [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magikarp_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1256600&oldid=1251781 Deth himself]? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::The reason people were editing the pages before is because other people were editing the pages. Just because people are editing the pages, including Deth, or even TTE, that STILL doesn't confirm the change. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:11, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Kid, I know you seem worried, but what part of "the change is done" is not sinking in? If I'm wrong, I'll get reprimanded. By staff. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::It's just I made the same mistakes, it's rather most of us are ALL wrong, or the admins need to confirm it in the forums or on bulbanews A.S.A.P. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:26, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I know you made the mistake; I also know it wasn't your fault. I'm ''also'' a moderator on the forums. Something like this? Not going to be mentioned in News. They did [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showpost.php?p=2459657&postcount=110 confirm it on the forums]. Ta. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:31, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Great! That's all I needed. Thanks. :) --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 13:48, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Disambig ==

Welp, they wanted the number of pages in the category decreasing, and it's the only way. And red links are bound to appear all the time, and they'd be eventually blue links as the time progresses, but I'll stop until I see activity on it. I kinda stepped back yesterday when I wanted to make these changes since the Disambiguation pages were red links after all. [[User:Masatoshi|'''Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''Discuss.''''']] 21:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
: Dude, eventually there will be a Disambig for that pokemon, or you can make one yourself, but just don't redlink them. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 21:47, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
:There's a misconception abounding, apparently. That status bar doesn't mean: they all have to have disambig links now...or else we would have done it already. Some of the pogeys you just redlinked for won't be getting necessary disambigs for a loooong time. They aren't necessary until they're necessary. We avoid redlinking in this kind of situation. If we don't ''need'' the article, there shouldn't be a link. If we do, the red link is there to serve as a reminder that we do. The disambigs = not necessary yet. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:52, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, then. My bad. ''(Everytime I try to do something, it's wrong or unneeded :<)'' [[User:Masatoshi|'''Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''Discuss.''''']] 21:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
:::That's just because you're a little ambitious. Which isn't wrong at all. It takes a bit of figuring, that's all. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Help... ==

I am having a problem. It says that we need a NeoRocketShipping article, but I don't know how to make the thing with the Luvdisc... And when I am trying to put a photo on the page, how do I control where it goes on the page?

I'm really sorry for bothering you, but I really need help...

Thanks,Eliza 23:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

== New Ship ==

Don't you think there should be a page for Chris and Eusine? There are so many hints; it'd be a great page!
I'm not saying it has to be done now, or anytime soon, but just think about. That's all I ask.

--[[User:Ggb81|Ggb81]] 02:42, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I understand. Thanks.
--[[User:Ggb81|Ggb81]] 01:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Dub hints ==

I was wondering what your stance on dub hints are. I've seen that one user keeps removing hints from [[RocketShipping]] on the basis that they are dub-added lines and don't matter. But [[PokéShipping]] has many dub hints listed. So should dub lines be allowed or removed? Or does it depend on the situation? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:26, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:The Rocketshippers monitoring that article believe the only hints of merit are the ones from the original source. It's a bad double standard that I understand where they're coming from, since a dub can't make canon what isn't from the original, but at the same time, you're right, we do have a lot of dub-added hints in the others. Ultimately, we're catering to an English speaking audience, and I wonder in that case, maybe there should be a separate section on the article for dub stuff, since that is the version most people are familiar with. *rubs neck* But then comes being trouble in its own right, since most of the fanbase couldn't decipher crud for the raw version of their ship enough to make the comparison. Maybe a tag. ('''DUB HINT''' blah blah blah.) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 04:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Confidence in abilities ==

Sorry for bothering you again. I just wanted to know if confidence in abilities are valid hints. Like how Cilan didn't worry too much about Pansage being sick after Iris gave it the medicine she had made.

I'm asking because a user [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Shipping:WishfulShipping&curid=119311&diff=1376056&oldid=1375854&rcid=1471630 reverted] an edit I made about Iris being confident in Cilan's abilities in [[BW019]] on the basis that "having faith is not a valid hint". Even though he says it isn't valid, hints like those are all over the place. I'd just feel better having a clear answer from you as I felt the revert was a little unjust. Especially considering what he said afterwards which is untrue of what actually happened.

Though I do admit that if I am allowed to add it back, I will word it slightly differently. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Confidence is usually taken in the subtext of how the character is presented with its said (where the person is in the frame, like a close-up, or Ash's reaction to it), and can usually be a best-judgment thing. Having not seen the episode (yet?), I couldn't tell you if it should stay or not. ._. On the other hand, if it was put in there and even if it's a valid point, is it a valid hint without the shipping goggles? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
::Looking at it now, maybe this one particular isn't that strong, given how Iris put it. It was just the reason for its removal that bothered me. This is good to know that they are valid hints. Thank you for clearing it up :) --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 13:55, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, it's definitely all about context and presentation. =) If the writers and animators want something to mean something, they will show it somehow, be it slight or obvious. That said, ^^; we might have to go through the rest of those kinds of hints. *grk* Toss-out lines are basically the same as being saved: nice to hear and see, but can it count? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Moves and abilities ==

Don't add the move tag. We know they need moved. All it does is create extra work removing it that could be spent moving the pages faster. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== To answer you question... ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Blaze_%28ability%29&curid=4142&diff=1393986&oldid=1393798&rcid=1490018 Regarding your edit summary on Blaze], they are the same in DPPt as what you changed it to. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Official guide proved wrong? ==

Hi, I saw [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=White_Forest&diff=prev&oldid=1403310 this] edit summary mentioning me and the guide on the White Forest page, and since I have been posting various things from it as what I believed was correct, I thought I'd ask, what in it is known to be wrong?
About all I've noticed mistake-wise is stuff like an extra space before a closing bracket... Thanks in advance, [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 11:25, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:Ah, it was merely that the table you provided concerning the BC/WF trainers (I assume your thoroughness in double-checking what you've provided, so I assume the table is exactly what the guide says). First thing I noticed was how the trainers in Back City own the evolutions of the pokémon they generate in White Forest. The table you provided, however, said Lena generates Azurill when she owns Gallade and Gardevoir, meaning she would generate Ralts. But since we don't have Molly's trainer info to back the difference, I was simply using the table to reference the surfing pokemon, and not using it to enter /all/ the trainers in, only leaving out the ones we don't have the team info for. =o I hope this clarifies it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:52, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:So rather, it's just a little infallible. That's it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:55, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
::Ah, oh, I can be dumb sometimes. After I spent so long checking that table, [http://i.imgur.com/ufoOl.jpg somehow I swapped the Pokemon for Lena and Molly]. Thanks for noticing, and apologies that I made a mistake like this. I've noticed too that they have the evolved forms in Black City, but they're not listed in the guide... Either way, I've now edited my original post, but if after this you don't believe in the accuracy of the rest of it, feel free not to. Sorry. x.x [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 14:03, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:::^^; I suppose I'm used to guides getting things wrong. Sorry for not asking if it was a mistake or not. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:46, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

== Hi! ==

What are all those oval things at the right side of the page? Sorry... I couldn't help asking.
GAH- I keep forgetting the four tides, so here they are:[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:14, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:Those would be called {{cat|User tags}} =) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:07, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
But what ARE they? Sorry, I'm new so I don't know a lot of things.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 11:46, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:User tags are simply personal tags to tell people, in a nut shell, what a person is, does, likes, and owns. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:53, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
And how do you put one on your page?[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 23:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:I would advise you not to touch your userpage until the edit limitation has lifted, but you can view the code of the page. Anything that starts with Template: is used inside these {{}} brackets. If it's Template:User Shipper, you simply put "User Shipper" inside the {{}}. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 00:24, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

== Burgh/City ==

Come on, you know that it's stupid. That's not how Nintendo names characters. And I don't see how living in Castelia, not any other city makes a difference here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:20, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:Castelia's based on New York's biggest metropolis, while every other city and town in these games has never come close to being depicted as city-like before. =p The character who people confuse as Jewish by looks alone trains bugs in the big city? I think someone was having a giggle that day, because of ANY bug-based name they could have picked, they picked one that makes the longest stretch and happens to correlate to where he lives. And no, I don't know how TPCi names their characters, because I'm not on the localization team, and neither are you. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:32, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

== Umm ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Shipping:CafeMochaShipping&diff=next&oldid=1445136 Why exactly was this similarity removed]? I'm a bit confused... Is it because Sewaddle has since evolved and may not have the same ability? If that's it, I can reword it differently. The point was that that both of their Pokémon had their abilities revealed in that episode. The similarity is not that different to the one about them both catching a Pokémon in BW035 which was left there. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, for butting in, but I really don't think that two trainer's Pokémon having both of their abilities revealed in the same episode counts as a romantic thing. I'm just saying. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 00:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
::It's not meant to be counted as romantic evidence. They're not even under the "evidence" part. It's more like trivia. All of the ships have a similarity section. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Again sorry, but didn't we delete all comparisons of anime Pokémon pages? Does this count too? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 00:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
::::It is acceptable for Shipping as the page is mostly fanon interpretation anyway. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I'm very sorry. Just wondering. I don't really know much about shipping anyway. Sorry for that. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:The wording made it sound like there was too much emphasis on them being "part bug with abilities starting with S". If the idea was "they were revealed at the same time," it's lost in the wording simply because that last sentence doesn't sound like an afterthought, but the main thought. Abilities being revealed is also a little too trivial. I know abilities being revealed is a big thing, but it strikes me more as really grasping to say something about the subject at hand. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
::So... If it just didn't have that one part would it be okay? Worded like the Pokémon capture one? I'm not saying it's necessarily a "big deal", but it is a similarity. I know some similarities are omitted because they can change but that really can't. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:::I suppose? I mean, it can be rewritten, of course. I'm not against the idea; I like trivia. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

== Personal Pic? ==

On the PearlShipping page, there is a personal image, but it is an image of Ash and Dawn sharing a high-five. Is this really considered a personal image then? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:Well, it's not really doing anything for the article except being animated. The still-frame high-five is more shipper than that is, to be frank. If it were removed, I won't miss it. If it was meant to be a personal image and not an image uploaded for the purpose of being added to the article, it probably shouldn't be there at all. ...Which doesn't mean save it as a shipping image to preserve it. The image can go. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

== Official congratulations ==

Thank you for all the contributions you have made here, and welcome aboard the Bulbapedia staff (officially)! —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 03:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
:*throws Lady Gaga confetti* Congrats Luna! \o/ --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:45, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
::\o/ Yay! I don't even mind the Gaga confetti! :3 Thanks, guys. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

== Anything I can do? ==

Do you know of anything floating around on Bulbapedia that I can help with currently? Just wondering. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:31, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Bite ==

Another Moderator told me that Pokemon that learn a move from a pre-evolution (but do not learn it themselves) should still remain on the breeding fathers list because they are still part of their natural learnsets. I don't know if that's changed / if you've heard differently from another higher-up, but I've reverted your edit for now. Examples where this also occurs is how Vibrava / Flygon are listed under Feint, while only Trapinch learns it and Vileplume is listed under Moonlight, when only Oddish / Gloom learn it.[[User:Gymnotide|Gymnotide]] 11:09, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:If a pokémon cannot naturally learn a move in its own, why should it be listed as a father? If you have a Vibrava, thinking you'll be able to heartscale for Feint to breed onto a Gligar, you're basically giving false information, since it's not true. If it's listed in the can-learn list, it's a proper father. But if the only Eevee you have is Espeon with Psybeam/Morning Sun/Swift/Power Swap, you aren't gonna be getting a Rattata with Bite from it. Fathers should be the most readily available to have the moves in their move pool; if an evolution does not have said move in their move pool, they cannot be a father by proxy. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:25, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::Alright. I wasn't sure, which is why I wrote on your talk page. Nearly all other breeding charts that I've seen has this error then--which is why I never edit them >___> However, thanks for clearing that up. Arcanine can't learn Bite in Gen II either. [[User:Gymnotide|Gymnotide]] 12:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:::(Or Gen III. Whoops.) Well, with the new tables, checking is now a lot easier. =) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Noooo!! Arcanine learns Bite in Gen III :P But... What do we do about chain-breeding then? Some Pokemon list chain-breeding targets when they have non-chained fathers as well. Should these be removed? [[User:Gymnotide|Gymnotide]] 14:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Ah jeez. I'm too used to thinking "start with Gen 2". Breeding should come in levels. If an egg move can be learned through a naturally-learned father, only those fathers should be in the table. If the father ''only'' learns the move through a TM/HM/tutor, that should be noted. And if the only way is through actual chain breed (regardless if their parent learned it naturally or through TM), only the earliest breeedable father should be in the table (meaning only Wailmer and no Wailord, and Mantine but no Mantyke, as examples). .... This makes more sense in my head. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:42, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

== Excuse me ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Movie_Commemoration_VS_Pack_%28TCG%29&curid=20214&diff=1470817&oldid=1371745&rcid=1571259 Why wouldn't you change them all.] It's pretty obvious that they will all need changed and that I haven't had a chance to finish what I'm doing, so I don't understand why you would leave it halfway done. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Because the others hadn't been moved? It wasn't "obvious" at all that they all needed to be changed; maybe to you it is, but the constant moving of the TCG pages to new pack names is like a foreign language, so I'm not about to presume you're going to move the rest, if you haven't already. I just fixed the links so those pages wouldn't be "orphans". [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::I guess I sometimes don't realize how foreign the way I try to do things would appear to other people not familiar with TCG. I'm sorry for the accusations. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:46, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== Hi ==

I noticed that, in the past, you've helped fill the Trainer class pages with Trainerlist templates. I'm currently trying to update the pages of [[Template:Orre trainers|the classes]] from Colosseum and XD. We already have most of the information across the [[:Category:Colosseum characters|chara]][[:Category:XD characters|cters]] and [[:Category:Orre locations|locations]] pages. Do you think you could help out again?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 04:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
:Mm. I can help, if you need me to. Any of the trainers completely updated and can be ignored? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
::Other than those which refer, and link to, specific people, {{tc|Shady Guy}}, {{tc|Mystery Man}}, and {{tc|Mt.BtlMaster}} are all done. I'll keep you updated.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 17:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

== {{adv|Black}} and {{adv|White}} ==

Do we have a ship for them? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 00:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
:It's called Agencyshipping. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:46, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
::Of course its the last thing I would think of. Thank you [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 11:48, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Do you know if and when the ship will get a page? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
:I'll that as yes and now. See ya. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 23:55, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
::You inspired it~ [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

== Let's ==

Hi I want to create an article about shipping between Iris's Emolga and Iris's Excadrill {{unsigned|Aliraichu}}
:I do believe that's a no. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:07, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

== RocketShipping ==

Hey Luna, I was wondering if RocketShipping should be added to [[Shipping:List of canon shippings|this page]] under the Electric Tale of Pikachu, as the pair do get married in that canon, and have a child together. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:22, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:Oh, definitely. Probably a table, since the information on their EToP information on the Rocketshipping page is sparse enough. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:10, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

== LapShipping ==

In the shipping article, HatThiefShipping, it's said that the name of the relationship between Ash and Ambipom is ''LapShipping''. I tried to create the page, but could only come up with one sentence, and therefore was deleted. I was told to ask you for permission to create it. If there is a shipping name that is listed but hasn't been created, I think it's time to do so. What do you think? [[User:Satoshi101|Satoshi101]] 01:41, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
:HatThief and Lap are 'ships that both belong in the same article, because you're dealing with the same two characters (evolution doesn't change that). If you wish to contribute to Lapshipping, it should be done on the HatThief page. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Alright, that sounds reasonable. [[User:Satoshi101|Satoshi101]] 00:38, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

== Shipping ==

Hey I noticed you were the leader of Project Shipping, so I decided to ask you about this. I recently watched Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea again and I noticed possible hints between [[Lizabeth]] and [[May (anime)|May]]. I also noticed hints for [[Cilan (anime)|Cilan]] and [[Burgundy]]. Should I make Userspace articles about them and hopwfully get them mainspaced soon? [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 00:49, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
:Cilan/Burgundy already has an article here: {{s|Sommelier}}, so any further hints you have to contribute can be added to that. As for Lizabeth and May (Braceletshipping), it likely does not deserve its own article and should be added to either [[List of anime shippings|here]] or [[List of anime shippings|here]] (either or; they'll be melded together eventually) unless it becomes obvious that it should be its own article. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== PikarisuShipping ==

I know that sometimes you like to put categories in Shipping pages that are still in the userspace so people can find them an help contribute them before they are mainspaced. But I'm wondering if [[User:Zewis29/PikarisuShipping|you can make an exception here]]. The user who made it has been gone for a long time and it doesn't have any real evidence. Like "Pachirisu standing next to Pikachu's ear" on that DVD cover. Really...? Not saying it has to be deleted, I just have a thing about it showing up in the Shipping space categories. However, it is your decision. I just see no hope for that article being taken seriously. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:I didn't even know that one existed. Personally, not enough information to be an article on its own (and likely won't have enough ever), never mind it's not even the right name (Electrocuteshipping), but....think we could incorporate it into your anime list, for the time being? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:08, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I could try. So we can hide the categories so it doesn't show up there? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

==this seems tedious.==

Why you don't program Bulbabot to add the [[Evolution]] link on every pokémon's page for you? adding the links to 639 pages manually seems tedious.--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 13:41, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:It only seems tedious if you don't mind doing it. I don't mind in the least (gives me something to do), and it's not just the only reason I'm going through every pogey's page. Some of the links are there and some are not, among other things. Simple as that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:58, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

== {{u|Mike234}} ==

He's {{U|LegandofThor2}}'s sockpuppet; their edits are pretty much identical. Could you block {{tt|them|Mike234 infinitely and LegandofThor2 for some time}}?--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

== Shipping Confusion ==

Good afternoon Project Leader,I have a question to ask.
I've recently saw the pairings made in the Shipping section and came across this.
-PalletShipping: Ash and Gary-

As I've seen in the anime there is no sign of attraction between these two,actually Ash doesn't show any sign of attraction towards no character especially boys.
Also it would seem quite inappropiate to make homosexual pairings in the anime.Don't get me wrong,I am not homophobic.
In the ending I would like to say that a possible Shipping could be between {{an|Brock}} and [[Wilhelmina]] as seen in [[EP132|For Crying Out Loud]].

Thank you in advance.
Looking forward for your answer. 14:31, 14 February 2012 (UTC) DJ Wolfy

:The articles are to acknowledge belief and list what is used in canon to show why such a relationship might be possible. It's not inappropriate in the least, given the show canonically has pokémon falling in love with humans, so I'm not sure what your point is here. You aren't a Palletshipper; that's cool. Neither am I. Articles focusing on male/male and female/female won't be removed because people fear it "promotes" something (the anime barely promotes romance as is, and certainly doesn't promote most, if not ALL of the pairings made into articles); they will be removed if and only if they do not meet article standards.
:Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean others don't. It's called shipping goggles. And Sissyshipping (Brock/Wilhemina) had its time; it is acknowledge she was one of the few who liked him (and fewer still who he liked in return), and while possible, it doesn't make it any less speculative to be "possible" and remains a non-canonical belief. Like the majority of the shipping articles. I hope this answers whatever you were trying to get across. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Well,I didn't meant to say it promotes anything,I meant to say it's inappropiate to be called homosexual pairings.On the other hand if they are male the pair could just be called... PokePals or Buddies,would sound more appropiate.And about Pokémon falling in love with humans,they fall for them as a pet for its master.Well,hope I didn't caused much trouble.

Thank you for your quick response. 20:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC) DJ Wolfy
:Then I'm not sure what you're getting at. 'Shipping is the belief of a ''romantic'' relationship, which means the term Palletshipping covers a homosexual pairing; to call it anything else is incorrect. Just because they are not a couple in canon doesn't make the belief of them a couple (thus "Palletshipping") any less gay. It's what it is. It's not a term for a friendship. ...And you might argue pet-to-master for Chikorita or Aipom, but most would agree that Latias was full-on in love with Ash (which is not the same thing as an adoring pet). And now I hope I've cleared up your inquiry. I'm sorry I misunderstod earlier. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 22:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Well,yes,but that may be because of Latias' possibility of gaining human shape,you can't really call it zoophilia or as it said in Pokéhistory "Evolution has come, separating humans from Pokémon, to create the first humans",meaning that humans and Pokémons ar from the same species "and one folk tale even says that there was a time when humans and Pokémon were considered one and the same".Well I still disagree with the homosexual pairing,and I say it again I'm not homophobic.I'm not against Shipping,I just wanted to clarify my confusion.Well that's it for now.Thank you for your help.
--'''DJWolfy'''. 15:15, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

== Bulbapedia Issues ==

I've been having a lot of issues with Bulbapedia since BW2 was announced. I've been getting a lot of 503s and I'm starting to get annoyed. What's going on and why are the 503s happening? [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 18:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
:It's due to the influx of users post-announcement. Seeing as they hit after big news, 503s are to be expected while more and more users access and view pages. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

== Shipping Splitshipping (Clay x Elesa) ==

I was told you were the person to come to for this.

I was sleep deprived when the paring popped into my head and upon looking it up i got Splitshippin, the "split" being Driftveil Drawbridge

reasons

''Elesa is a fashion model and would likely have rich tastes...and Clay is rich''

That's all i could come up with without knowing if she has daddy issues.

So should it be added to the list [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 01:08, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
:As much as I like Splitshipping personally, it's got only one interaction for a basis, and even then, all you could say at most about them canonically is "Clay trusts Elesa when it comes to trainers," but that's games only. That's not enough at all for it to have any sort of mention for it as an article or part of an article, though I'm hoping BW2 will shed more light on their relationship, if there is one.
:That said, looking at what you were talking about with KG, Splitshipping /is/ on the Shippers' List. It's just that the Shipper's List and the list of 'ships here aren't one and the same; the list on BP is '''only''' for 'ships that have their own articles or are mentioned in group articles. The only complete version of the Shippers' List is [http://shipping.bulbagarden.net/ here].[[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 10:46, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

:: Ok [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 15:05, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

== I've been having some problems ==
A user named Force Fire has been increasingly difficult for me today, he seems as if he is following me, undoing almost everyone of my edits. I'll put down an 'incomplete' template and he'll remove despite the sections being missing and he has also removed my featured articles nomination, implying my opinion to nominate the page, Brock's Steelix, are wrong despite it fitting the critera and that their has been no vote. I've tryed to speak with him on his talk page but he does not reply and in edit summaries he justifies his actions by saying he is a junior admin. I think he is an admin but I still feel hasseled and partially victimized

My other problem is actually nominating the page, never done it before and I'm not sure I'm doing it right [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 14:21, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
:Sorry ArcToraphim. 05308, you did not ask for the page to be nominated. Just because it fits the criteria doesn't you can go ahead and slap the FAC template on it, you have to ask first. I did reply on my talkpage, did you see it? I'm guessing you didn't. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:30, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

==Shippings==
Remember this is my point of view and no I'm not shipper, I like to create shippings.

Fireflowershipping= Chili/Cilan
Waterlilyshipping= Cress/Cilan

How do I rename? {{unsigned|Grabbergirl}}

== Trainers ==

I see you added some, and said they're south of Resort entrance... but can you screenshot them, please? That'll make the job easier, as I have no idea where is the entrance. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 08:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC) PS. Also, [http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg688/scaled.php?server=688&filename=trainer1e.png&res=landing these] are the trainers I found in that street (so far only six that can be battled). Well, I found a [http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg826/scaled.php?server=826&filename=bpkmnwh24322062.png&res=landing Backpacker]{{tt|*|Note about Policemen - I set PC clock to night, about 30 minutes to midnight... they should appear, but they didn't}} when going towards Desert Resort (near that road with trucks), but I don't count him, as he isn't on the street. Also, is it just me, or that Breeder will rechallenge if you quit area, reenter it and go to the Breeder {{tt|again|Her team is still Drilbur and Marill on the same levels... discovered this and accidentally evolved Swadloon... at Lv. 21. Never expected that. Well yeah, I lost some moves exclusive to Sewaddle... but not everything is perfect}}?
:I'm watching playthroughs, so I'm not in control of the action, and the only ones that seem to be up are Black 2. That said, whatever's in your screenshot, I've never seen before. Granted, I thought the policeman were only at night, but Danny and Nelson look like they're in daytime, so I could be wrong. [http://i50.tinypic.com/1jum3s.jpg This is what I mean.] You enter route 4 from Nimbasa and hang an immediate left-screen turn. At the end of that road, travel south and you run into another officer and the remaining trainers. Bonus officer Brian in the last screenshot, between the road and two fishermen. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:26, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
::I've never seen them... and it seems that instead of Officer, I have Backpacker. They're most likely exclusive to Black 2. Now only the matter of items left... [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 12:27, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

== Dark rustling grass. ==

Can you please say the name of place/route where you experienced (or saw someone experiencing) that? Dark rustling grass can be interesting. In some places just dark grass has different set of Pokémon, rustling grass {{p|Audino|always}} has some new Pokémon. That would be {{tt|nice to see|DOUBLE AUDINO ALL THE WAY!}}. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 16:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
:Haha, it was in Pinwheel Forest, by the Lass and Youngster west of the bridge. It was a double battle with an Audino and Pansage. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
::Were you tagging along with Cheren? I tagged along with Cheren when I first entered Pinwheel Forest and I encountered three rustling grass double battles (one with 2 Audino, another with a Audino and a Pansage, and the last one with a Audino and a Panpour). However they were in the plain grass, but they were double battles since I was with Cheren. Also last time I checked (which was yesterday for the Dark Grass) the only Dark Grass is east of the Bridge and not west. [[User:Lady Ariel|Lady Ariel]] ([[User talk:Lady Ariel|talk]]) 16:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
:::Ahhh, that might have been it. Hard to tell with the videos I'm using. yeah, we were with Cheren so I guess I mis-saw what the grass was. Pity; rustling dark grass would have been nice. But I thought there was dark grass in the south west? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

== Challenge mode ==

Serebii isn't a good source, but according to it, Challenge mode =/= post-game rematch, as you can turn off and on it whenever you want. [http://www.serebii.net/black2white2/assistchallengemode.shtml Click]{{tt|*|I have no idea why it says that Assist Mode is unlockable in White 2 and Challenge Mode is unlockable in Black 2, as other page about them on Serebii says that you need just to finish game [defeat the Champion], without saying that you needs to finish game on certain version. tl;dr = that other page says that you unlock both of modes upon finishing game, instead of the one as the LINKED page says}}. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
:That's not the problem. What we have as labeled on Iris' page is "normal mode" and "challenge mode", though this seems to be wrong because I just encountered a video labeled "challenge mode" that used the team of "normal mode" at elevated levels, so it doesn't seem post game at all. So the question is, IS in fact what we have labeled as normal and challenge really just "Initial battle" and "Rematch battle" (and if it is, do we even have the right levels for the second team)? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:31, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

== Plasma Frigate ==

Hey I am gallade98, a new user on bulbapedia.Nice to meet you. I was just asking if you can help me finish all the Plasma Frigate information.I think i have most of it done, i just need to make sure i have all of the items and trainers correct. Thanks in advance. :D

== Typhlosion ==
You said: "The use of English "typhoon" is correct., as "fuu" =/= "phoon"."
Going to need an explanation of your reasoning there. The English word "typhoon" has common roots with the Japanese word "taifuu" and they literally mean the same thing; the "phoon" is equivalent to the "fuu" (I tried to highlight this in the edit summary). Given that the kanji in "bakufuu" (which is on its own a visibly obvious source for the name) is exactly the same as that in "taifuu", such an origin would be redundant - you could just as well explain the name "bakufuun" as simply adding an "n" to the end of an existing word. If we look at the word "typhoon" on its own, all we would be getting is the "n" sound. That could just as well come from any other word with a similar sound (some candidates may be raccoon or dragoon, but there's no real limit here), or even be just an addition for the purpose of style, with no particular meaning behind it apart from making the name distinct from the real world. If "typhoon" is going to be included as part of the Japanese name origin, it should be properly explained and justified, or attributed to an official source. There is, on the balance of evidence, no reason whatsoever to think that the word "typhoon" is relevant to the name.[[User:Drivorobotnik|Drivorobotnik]] ([[User talk:Drivorobotnik|talk]]) 04:19, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
:But since only the katakana says 'bakufuun', you're looking at the name all wrong and why that section even exists. Since the official spelling is Bakphoon, the name origin is used to explain WHY it's intended to be spelled that way and not as 'Bakufuun' (which no one has to justify since it's ''not'' romanized in such a way and is not the intended spelling; it's simply the katakana that makes it up). If the official romanization had been Bakufuun, it would have then been likely suggested to be a corruption of 'bakufuu' and a combination of 'bakufuu' and 'taifuu', since 'Typhlosion' has to get its random 'typh' from ''somewhere''. A lot of name origins also rely on looking at all the other languages to see how they were gotten, since localizers use the root origins as inspirations for their own lingual names, so since the English name is a combination of 'typhoon' and 'explosion', and 'bakufuu' means 'blast', the typhoon in Typhlosion seems to come out of nowhere, except when you realize 'Bakphoon' has the same 'typhoon' word origin. And this isn't the first time a Japanese name has been spelled with a combination of Jp and Eng words. So no, there is no reason to explain the origin of the word 'typhoon' as possible 'taifuu' when 'taifuu' has ''nothing'' to do with the spelling 'phoon' and 'typhoon' possibly does. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:34, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
::It seems as though you've either misread or misunderstood. I'm not saying that "taifuu" is the origin of the Japanese name - simply that there's no need to consider an origin other than "bakufuu" as it is. The consideration that the "fuu" in "bakufuu" and the "phoon" in "typhoon" is peripheral support for this perspective - a repeated etymology makes little sense. Indeed if you look at the edit I made, I did not (and did not suggest) replacing "typhoon" with "taifuu", but rather, determined "typhoon" to not be necessary (and so neither "taifuu"). I feel that the English name is of little relevance here - although if we are to raise the point, and accept as true the premise you have presented (that English names are constructed to be distinct from, but linguistically similar to, Japanese names), then my aside may be considered, since, after all, that kanji which provides the "fuu" sound is a solid link between "typhoon" (for "Typhlosion") and "bakufuu" - but that is tangential at best. Rest assured that I am not "all wrong" - indeed I myself considered the listed romanisation, and am ready to admit that it would present a fatal flaw to my reasoning. Be that as it may, I cannot, try as I might, find any sort of reliable source for the romanisation "Bakphoon". Were such a source presented, I would be perfectly satisfied with the information currently listed - although I may make the suggestion that a more concrete policy on referencing is adopted and enforced so as to avoid such confusions.[[User:Drivorobotnik|Drivorobotnik]] ([[User talk:Drivorobotnik|talk]]) 17:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
:::Official romanizations of older Pokémon have been confirmed and known for ages, because they are very often used on merchandise. [http://www.webcitation.org/5rZSwnuie Here's the piece of merchandise Wikipedia cites]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
::::Having trouble qualifying that source. The Wikipedia page on Typhlosion specifically lists the name as "Bakufūn", and although the page that cites the image you shared does list "Bakphoon", the reference is to a Bandai product (which, from the look of things, seems to be an obscure collectible, from the look of them they may be from gashapon toys; I am unable to find mention of this set of cards, even on Bulbapedia). This raises the question of whether, in light of the franchise's ownership, third-party (albeit presumably licensed) products are a proper source of definitive canon names. Without verification of this, the best we might say is that, on this set of cards released by Bandai, the romanisation given to Typhlosion by Bandai would appear to be based on the word "typhoon" - that, to me, does not sound like any sort of concrete statement, as it lacks authentic support from an authoritative source of canon. On a side note, that particular image seems to write Buizel's name as "Booysel", not "Buoysel" (which is what has been used) - this should raise doubts about the suitability of a low-resolution image as a source.[[User:Drivorobotnik|Drivorobotnik]] ([[User talk:Drivorobotnik|talk]]) 01:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
:::::They are given the official romanizations. And yeah, it probably is an obscure piece of merchandise, but the fact that it and every other piece of merchandise with a romanization of the name on it use that romanization means that it is pretty obvious it is accurate. Merchandise is the primary use for official romanizations, so we should rely on it, especially when it is a major company like Bandai that makes a lot of it. Buizel's name is chopped off in the middle; it still says "Buoysel", the bottom of a "U" just looks the same as the bottom of an "O" in that font. And my point was not the content Wikipedia has, but their source; what is actually on Wikipedia is unreliable and irrelevant if unsourced (and even if sourced, it is the source that matters). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::I am somewhat confused; it seems as though none of Game Freak, Nintendo, or The Pokémon Company have used these romanisations in their products. Bandai is indeed a major company which releases a lot of merchandise, but they do not own the intellectual property behind the franchise. What that source seems to tell us (and what I acknowledged earlier) is that those particular Bandai products have been named like that - it does not, beyond allowing such a statement, seem authoritative. I would have strong reservations about regarding Bandai as any sort of official source for canon information. And, as you said, it is the source that matters. Could you perhaps explain the rationale here?[[User:Drivorobotnik|Drivorobotnik]] ([[User talk:Drivorobotnik|talk]]) 06:31, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

== Hmmm... ==

Luna, do you know {{u|Empressempoleon|this user}}? [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:ArcToraphim&action=history Because...] [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 15:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
:To answer, no I don't know the user (just had really good timing coming on to fix that article). Beyond that, I'm a little baffled? Could be any number of reasons it was done. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:12, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
::Okay, I asked because I wanted to confirm it before undoing it, the timing got me confused. Anyway, carry on. [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 16:21, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm {{u|Empressempoleon|that user}}. I'm SO sorry! I'm still a little new around here, so I accidentally clicked something and got confused in all these different tabs of Bulbapedia editing. (I keep different tabs open so I can see all the tags and how to write the language while editing.)I am so sorry about that, and I tried to fix it as soon as I could. I won't do it again, I promise! Empress Empoleon 18:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

==ShootsDownShipping==

Hi again. Sorry to keep bothering you.
Anyways, ShootsDownShipping is the ship between [[Kenny]] and [[Zoey]], and it's actually grown quite popular as a side ship in Fan fiction. I know that Bulbapedia used to have a page, but then [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shipping:ShootsDownShipping]deleted it because of a lack of evidence; so I was wondering if I could make a new one. I believe that I can flesh it out. Empress Empoleon 18:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
:If you want to make a page of it, make it in your own userspace, flesh it out there, present it when you think it's done, and I'll see if it's worth ti to put in the shipspace. But if it doesn't have the evidence to support it, no amount of information on the page is likely going to make a difference. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:49, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

== Problem user ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Pokemon_nomekop This user] is undoing various edits for no reason at all. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 23:09, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

== RE: Signature ==

Thanks, I will remove it. Sorry about that. --[[User:Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.|Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.]] 17:06, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
==List of Conquest Abilities Page==
Do you think that page is good enough to be moved to the mainspace now? --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 21:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
:Now, it is. =) All moved. Good work, by the way. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 10:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

== [[Shipping:LuckyShipping]] ==

Can you undo those last two edits by [[user:Cutieblue369|Cutieblue369]]? All they did was remove lots of info, and in general, be completely unhelpfull.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 03:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
:Undo entirely, not necessarily. Some of the info deleted was fine to delete. Not all of it, though. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

== thanks for fixing my edit ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Mystery_Doors_of_the_Magical_Land_Series&curid=165897&diff=1780614&oldid=1780601

i forgot vaniluxes name and for some reason i thought it was vanillite [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 21:47, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
:Well it was my mistake to begin with, ^^; the one you were trying to fix. So it's okay. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

== A little help here, please? ==

I've just found some Pokédex info about SolarBeam in the anime. Could you please correct the red link on the template? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:43, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
:Thank you! :) --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:58, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'm never doing that again. But you're welcome. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry if I bothered you. You were just the only administrator I found currently active. I regret if I disturbed you in the middle of something important. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:20, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
::::Oh, no no no. XD; Not what I mean. I'm not a fan of editing templates; it gives me panic attacks. And I'm pretty sure editing that template made the whole site hiccup and toss a hissy, so, yes. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

== Should there... ==
Should there be a shipping page about Ash and Casey? --[[User:Doggy567123|Doggy567123]] ([[User talk:Doggy567123|talk]]) 06:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
:Really sorry for the late reply. ''Should'' there be? Don't know. ''Could'' there be? Depends. If anyone think there ''should'' be an article on a 'ship, all that person has to do is draft a page up in their userspace and show it to me to judge. If there's not enough solid material on the characters, it's not accepted, and if there is, it is. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 14:22, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Also sorry for a VERY late reply. And how do I do that? --[[User:Doggy567123|Doggy567123]] ([[User talk:Doggy567123|talk]]) 17:21, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

== What was wrong with the trivia I added about Shedinja? ==

You removed my trivia and didn't really explain why. I know you said in the revision history of Phoeboe's page that " "Easy" or "hard" is subjective", and I know what you mean by that. But was there any reason you removed the trivia I made on the Shedinja page entirely? Just curious... [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 19:45, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:The trivia itself only has relevance to Phoebe and her team. It's not relevant to the Shedinja species as a whole, especially with the lack of an actual example (and even if their had been, it's still specific to Phoebe only) and therefore speculative (it was equally speculative on Phoebe's page [because of the guessing why; we don't guess in these cases], but the subjectivity was simpler to explain). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:10, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::Alright, I understand. By the way I'm glad to be back. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 21:17, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

== New Shipping ==

I'm making a proposal of a new Shipping, my first one, I don't watch episodes that frequently, but from what I heard, this pairing is very notable. However I can't find a name since all of them have such complicated name origins. What name would you give to a Shipping between Stephan and his Sawk? Do you think that it is notable to put on a page or put it [[List of anime shippings|here]]?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 19:21, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:It's called BuildUpshipping. That said, I don't believe it's notable enough to have its own page. Before putting it on Kenji's page, though, can you provide hints/evidence for it? There's little point creating a template for it and then leaving it empty. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:15, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
::I have points to consider:
*** In Sawk's debut, Stephan became eager to introduce it in his battle with Iris, during battle he showed to have teached Sawk to be immune to other Pokémon's Attraction (if you get what I'm saying), and he comforted him in the defeat.
*** In the Bell festival, Stephan chose him over Zebstrika. In the first round, Sawk refused to give his belt to Stephan, but in the end he gave anyway, in this one I think Sawk was just playing hard to get.
*** The Clubsplosion was entirely focused on Sawk and Stephan. They even hugged each other while smiling when they won.
::Well, my points are these, what do you think? BuildUpShipping, where did you get this name from? Can you write down the kana and kanji for this name?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 21:05, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:::The name was made up by a user; what the exact reason for choosing it was, though, I haven't the slightest, but I assume it's based off "to build up muscle/strength." The kana would ''likely'' be ケニダゲ, but I dunno if that would romanize as KeniDage or KenDage or KenyDage. That bit about Stephan training Sawk to be immune to Attract is out. You're going to need to explain point 2 much better, since what does the belt have to do with anything, and could it ''really'' be called "playing hard to get"? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

== A large recent edit to the RocketShipping page ==

Hello. There was a large edit made to the RocketShipping page recently. It has been reverted, but we were hoping you could look over it and see if any of it should be added back or revised. Here [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Shipping%3ARocketShipping&diff=1817865&oldid=1817851]] is a link to the differences between the additions and the revert. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 08:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*salute*</nowiki> Thank you, too. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

== Conquest Armies ==

With the template changes and such, the bottoms of them aren't showing up as rounded now. A heads up, if you know how to fix it. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:09, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
:They look rounded to me. No corners are sticking out the bottom. Nothing I'm doing is touching the "roundy" anyway. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 18:15, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
::Hm, perhaps it's a browser thing then, on Chrome I'm seeing [http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq156/DrakeClawfang/Dragnor_zps1a0657dc.png this]. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:52, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
:::On firefox, I'm seeing [http://i47.tinypic.com/246nw9t.png this]. However, the corners were there before I touched the tables; they vanish afterwards, so it's probably how the browsers render the coding. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 18:58, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
::::Hm, looks like it's still there on Firefox, the round on the bottom is different from the top, it's just not going outside the border. Not sure how to fix it though, I've no idea how the coding or templates for coding work here for rounded corners. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:00, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

== Did I misplace this? ==

I'm a little new to all of this, but I had a question regarding creating an article for a certain shipping, and I'm not sure if I put it in the right place. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbapedia_talk:Project_Shipping#No_article_for_CrystalShipping_yet.3F I go into detail here.]

[[User:Magenta Fantasies|Magenta Fantasies]] ([[User talk:Magenta Fantasies|talk]]) 23:21, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Project Shipping/To-do list|Here]] might have been a better place, but I answered, so~ [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Here is what I have so far for an article (for manga CrystalShipping): http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Magenta_Fantasies/CrystalShipping
What do you think?
[[User:Magenta Fantasies|Magenta Fantasies]] ([[User talk:Magenta Fantasies|talk]]) 01:50, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:Well, I have to question: how is it a hint Eusine "takes Crystal's place" on the orphanage trip? Did Eusine drop the autographed card on purpose, or was it an accident (as to have pre-signed photo isn't uncommon among those who thing of themselves as super famous or whatever)? How does she worry about him in round 129? (Also, made some small edits.) Not a bad start, though. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:32, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

With the "taking Crystal's place on the orphanage trip" Eusine went out of his way to do something nice for her I assumed that he dropped the card on purpose, since Eusine asks Crystal her name, but he doesn't give her his (if you don't think these are good enough hints, I'm okay if you remove it). Maybe "worries" isn't the right word, it's more like she looks at the walkie-talkie doll Eusine gave her and thinks about him.

I really hope this isn't a rude question, but could this be made into an actual article at some point? Rather, how do I go about doing this? I bet other people would have shipping hints to contribute to this page, and I've seen many shipping pages with less hints than this (also, Crystal and Eusine appear together for a relatively short amount of time compared to many other manga-related shippings).
[[User:Magenta Fantasies|Magenta Fantasies]] ([[User talk:Magenta Fantasies|talk]]) 04:54, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
:The articles you're likely thinking of are in the process of being moved and also didn't start as userspace articles; some where just quick and dirty creations left to rot, as it were. So while yes, it can and will be moved, I'd just rather it be a little fleshed out before moving it, that's all.
:Context is important. Vague wording can make anything sound like a hint, so in cases of people who don't have the manga or anime or game right out in the open for them, context explains the situation. Did Eusine think of doing something nice for Crystal by taking her place, or was it circumstantial that his choice to take her place just happens to be something nice? It's why some "evidence" on other articles comes with notes on how to interpret an action. So if context on the thinking-about-him bit and the orphanage can be expanded further on as to why it would be a hint, we'll see about keeping it. I'm still iffy on the card thing, but I'll think on it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
==Puzzle Village==
Doesn't this mean that we should put [[Puzzle Village]] on the [[Special:WantedPages|list of wanted pages]]? [[User:TheShinyRoggenrola|TheShinyRoggenrola]] ([[User talk:TheShinyRoggenrola|talk]]) 20:00, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:It's already there by default, because it's a red link. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:20, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::I noticed that you previously deleted the [[Puzzle Village]] page but still put the red link back into the article. Was it just a badly written page? If so, I think I can make a decent one given a day or two. [[User:Aggron989|''AGG'']][[User talk:Aggron989|''RON'']][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|''989'']] 21:10, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes, the original attempt at making the Puzzle Village article was 'badly written' (it was a single line of text and a picture). So if you want to remake it, that would be fine. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:27, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
::::I'll definitely make the article, but I probably won't finish it today. [[User:Aggron989|''AGG'']][[User talk:Aggron989|''RON'']][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|''989'']] 21:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

== Mudkipz ==

Have you looked at the picture? How is the head fin not color light-blue? And how is the tail fin light-blue? And where should I put the flexibility part?[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 11:37, 7 April 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
:If you read the physiology, it cites Mudkip as "blue"—which is is—and if its body is blue, and its head fin is the ''same exact color'' as the body, its head fin must also be "blue." Now its underside is cited as "light-blue"—which it is—and if its underside is light-blue and its tail is the ''same exact color'' as the underside, its tail fin must also be "light-blue." Furthermore, if the body is blue, and the underside is of a lighter shade, why would the underside '''not''' be called light-blue in comparison to the body's darker shade of blue? (So I don't even know where you're looking; its head fin is the farthest thing from being called "light-blue" when its body [including its head fin] is basically the same shade as Swampert's, which is also not "light-blue".)
:And the flexibility is a non-issue. It's a tail and tails move; calling it a tail fin is enough to imply flexibility. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 12:20, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

== Undone Edits ==

You undid my edits to the number disimbigs saying that "it IS only regional pokemon mentioned", however, it mentions for every Pokémon that they are the number in a specific regional Pokédex, and if applicable National, so it ISN'T just regional Pokédex mentioned. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 14:08, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
:Before changing it, you may want to bring it up with someone higher up, since [[regional Pokédex]] is actually more relevant to the numbers themselves as opposed to [[Pokédex]] (mention of the National dex number or not). 01:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
::So one of the Bureaucrats? -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 14:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

== ? ==
Is there any reason for telling me off for editing [[User:Grabbergirl/DiningcarShipping|this page]]? Even better, is there any reason for removing several templates and categories from said page even though I didn't add some of those? --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 18:39, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

EDIT: Re-reading your comment, it appears that you, the user who created that page, and the other person who edited the page earlier are the only people allowed to edit that page.
:Because it's a personal page. As in, it's never going to be namespaced. So '''no one''' should be editing it. And because it'll never be namespaced, it should not have categories or those templates. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:14, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Running with your argument again, [[User:Grabbergirl/IwazaruShipping|this page by the same person]] will never be mainspaced, but yet has categories + templates. Heck. Even one of [[User:Relicant/User Wants|my pages]] has cats yet will most likely never be mainspaced. Also, '''IF''' nobody but the author who created the page is meant to be touching a page in the user namespace, then articles [[User:Vuvuzela2010/Sprite Errors|such as this one]] shouldn't be edited by anyone other the the author. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 19:22, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:That last page you listed says directly at the top that anyone may edit the page. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 19:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Yess, I know that. But this person stated that NOBODY but the page author should be able to edit pages in their user namespace zone. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 19:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:Please read the [[Bulbapedia:Userspace policy]] for more information on WHY you're not allowed to edit userspace articles. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I read the policy. I'm not stupid. But eh, I don't care much for rules anyway. I think my edits were pretty much justified. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 19:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:And all I asked was that you don't edit it. It's not your page, you don't have permission, and you claim to have read the policy, but thought you could refute my statement by arguing against what you possibly already knew? Or did you read the policy ''after'' I mentioned it's not in your right to edit it? ...And mind, if you don't care for rules, you won't then be surprised if you fine yourself eventually banned some time down the line (temped or perma'd). Just saying (not a threat; just stating a fact). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:46, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

None of my edits so far have broken any rules, so I'm safe. Also please don't try to continue this argument because I honestly don't care anymore. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 19:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== About [[Clair]]'s Druddigon ==
We all know that it's going to appear in the anime, so what's wrong with adding it to the page?? When it does appear, just change the picture. [[User:Raykyogrou0|Raykyogrou0]] ''([[User talk:Raykyogrou0|Talk]])'' 09:51, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
:Policy in this instance is to wait for the episode to premiere; that's just how it's done, even when we know what a major character will have. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 10:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

== gender due to name ==

If a nickname of a Pokémon does not determine the gender, what about some of the other pages such as [[Dr. Abby#Johnny|these]] [[Orville|two]] as their gender was listed/determined due to nickname? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:Meg is part of a pair of nicknamed pokémon, not a solo act, and those nicknames are derived from the species, not the gender. It's definitely meant to be a close-sounding name to Mag, like [[Bailey|Belle and Bella]] or [[Brittany (Johto)|Gigglybiff and Gigglybuff]], and very likely ''not'' reflective at all of any gender; that's getting into a really grey area of assumption. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:31, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
::I see now, Meg and Mag. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:03, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

== About Kenshin and Shingen's default Pokémon ==

The reason I had placed the notes on their default Pokémon saying only in the other's story is because they don't have a default in their own story, seeing as they are controlled by the player, and both join the player during the Legend of Ransei. In hindsight, I see one circumstance where they could have default Pokémon in their own story, and that is if the player does not deploy them at all in the Legend of Ransei, causing them to never be officially registered in the gallery. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 00:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
:And that's why I note "regardless of one's gallery." You may as well go around notating on all the characters saying "Only in this story, this story, etc, etc" for every story in the group of stories they belong to except their own. But that would be a lie for the very circumstance you just pointed out.
:If Kenshin has a Gallade in Shingen's story, then that's what he would have in his own story if he was never registered in the player's Gallery, ''because'' it's default in Shingen's. Nene will always have a Croagunk in every Ninja story, even possibly her own as long as she's not in the Gallery, because it's true for the rest. Defaults don't change outside story blocks. Which is why the note is unnecessary. It's not "that story only;" it's his default!default for both. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 00:34, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, I understand that. My reasoning had been, and I will state it again, that Kenshin and Shingen are ''guaranteed'' to join the player's army in the Legend of Ransei. However, when making that edit, I did not take into account that they actually need to be sent ''into'' battle to be registered, which was a mistake on my part. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 00:46, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

== Totodile and Typhlosion ==

I need your opinion on [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash%27s_Totodile#Known_or_unknown_gender these] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Jimmy%27s_Typhlosion#Gender two] topics since there hasn't been a response to those lately and you're the expert with the genders and shipping. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:36, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
:That's really an area for Kenji-girl's call. Romance doesn't have much to do with it (since even Ludicolo is unknown and it had the "stint" with Mawile), and I wouldn't call a gender without actually using gendered words. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:43, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
::I do agree with you about romance not being gender worthy. Not to mention that there was Misha's Purrloin and most recently, Jamie McGonnigal's wedding. Yes, I will talk to Kenji-girl about this. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 14:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== Spewpa ==

On several versions of the official site, Vivillon is confirmed to evolve from a Pokémon called Spewpa. [http://www.pokemonxy.com/es-es/pokemon/other_pokemon/] --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 15:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:Yep, I found it. =) Nice. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:26, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

==Global Project==
why you undid ,my edit? of flag--[[User:Viv|Viv]] ([[User talk:Viv|talk]]) 15:27, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:Because the page on South Asia covers multiple countries and no one flag should be used to denote it. I'm pretty sure it was left without a flag to begin with for that reason. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== Lolipop song in eyecatch ==

For some reason I thought you might know this, or know who would know it. Anyways...so I've been watching Pokémon smash via stream for the last few weeks, and a Eyecatch keeps showing up with the 1958 song Lolipop playing. It doesn't seem to be the original US version, and all google searches result in Lolipop Chainsaw, or AMVs that have a different song titled lolipop in them

So my question is if you know the answer, is what group sings the Lolipop song for the eyecatches seen during Pokémon Smash? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:50, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
:Ah, nope. I don't watch Smash, and I don't know who does. Sorry. =( [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 03:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

== Ghost (type) trivia rewording + Nixtorm reversion ==

The Ghost (type) article has been protected, so I write here instead of rewording your rewording of the trivia point I submitted regarding Pokémon Conquest movement. This may also be better, as I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your rewording, which went (links removed): "''although they do not fly or levitate, which allows further freedom of movement.''" → "''regardless of typing or Ability, which allows further freedom of movement.''" Could you explain it, or maybe explain your interpretation of my initial submission? Also, regarding your June 6, 2013 revision of the Nixtorm article, did you test the additional requisites you added? It is effectively a reversion of my February 7, 2013 revision. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 07:19, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
:Your wording was poor grammar to the overall idea; if you think otherwise, please explain what you mean yourself and not ask me my interpretation. I knew what you were talking about since I've seen an obstructed Litwick walk right through an enemy to appear behind it, but otherwise your wording is confusing.
:Since Duskull, the Misdreavus family, the Gastly family, and the Drifloon family all have a type (Flying) or Ability (Levitate) that will make them hop over the enemy instead of physically passing through them, it's fair to eliminate those as factors as to why a Ghost type might be getting around an enemy (which leaves Froslass, Spiritomb, the Litwick family, and the remaining Duskull family as examples of those that pass through enemies).
:"although they do not fly or levitate" implies none of the ghost-type are possible of these things, which isn't true as mentioned above, so saying regardless of type of Ability makes it clear that even without Levitate or the flying type, they can get around enemies naturally with little hindrance. But it could probably use a modifier. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 12:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
::The main text, which ends with "''...a knight in chess)''" and remains unaltered, explains the topic movement property of Ghost-type Pokémon. The additional information, which is what you've reworded and what we're discussing, is meant to serve as a disclaimer, stating that Flying types and Pokémon with Levitate also have this property, along with further movement properties, thus making them different (along with the animation discrepancy you're describing). While the wording of my initial submission did not make this very clear at all, I believe the point is completely absent after your rewording (possibly due to you misinterpreting my vague wording); to me, the additional information now reads "Ghost types have this property regardless of types or Abilities. This property allows them further freedom of movement." Also, I endorse the rewording to prevent confusion (main part of your response), but I don't see the point in going general ("types and Abilities"), when it only concerns one type and one Ability; the only Pokémon other than Ghost types that have this knight-like property are Flying types and Pokémon with Levitate. Thank you for correcting your mistake at the Nixtorm article. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 17:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Half the Ghost types in Conquest either have Levitate or are part Flying, meaning that should be accounted for and not implied to be otherwise, or else discounted straight out; I think either works. However, Ghost types aren't the only type with a special advantage (fire types can cross fire, water types water, ice types won't slip on ice, poison types aren't harms by poison pools; Flying types and Levitators have full access to any free square in their range regardless of obstacles, sacrificing physical touch to the ground [which has advantages and disadvantages]), and that's where your own point gets lost.
:::So if you forget about the second half for a minute, I need to ask: is the focus of this trivia about their ability, or is the focus on that the Ghost type's ability is comparable to a chess piece? Because if it's the latter, it should include "regardless of type," since it's the truth to the whole, and if it's the former, do understand the chess piece reference would (and should likely) be cut because it's detracting from the point of the ability, but without the chess piece reference it's not a special trait without outside explanation (otherwise all other type pages would have to mention every advantage their typing has on certain fields, and passing over or through an enemy isn't that different from crossing over [or even sitting on] a magma pit, since on a chess board, the other color is the only obstacle your pieces have).
:::I got the latter from you. If it's the former, let's call it what it is, since ultimately the reference to Knights isn't unique to Ghosts alone. "Ghost-type Pokémon which are not part-Flying or have Levitate are capable of physically passing through enemies, referencing the common belief ghosts in real life can pass through tangible objects. They cannot, however, in-game pass through with any other obstacle on the field." [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:08, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
::::And I apologize this reply took so long. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:09, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

== Must discuss 団s meaning before editing ==

You undid a revision of mine and said that I must discuss 団s meaning before making these sorts of edits. I'm unsure why you say this. There was no discussion choosing to translate 団 as "gang", so there is no one to disagree with. I could stalk through the edit history and find who made the first reference to that and then hopefully contact them, but aside from that there is no discussion to be had. [[User:TJF|TJF]] ([[User talk:TJF|talk]]) 23:20, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
:New discussions at the bottom of the page. Since the definition of 'dan' affects more than just the Rocket page, if you want to change it, you will need to actually discuss it. Regardless of your opinion, BP has taken the stance to use 'Gang' as the translation (so no discussion was necessary), and if that is the official translation, it cannot be changed to what someone else considers 'appropriate'. If it's simply the preferred translation and not official, you can make an argument for a change. So don't revert again until you've made your case and gotten a staff member's okay on it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 23:32, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
::Sorry, I intended to start this at the bottom, not sure what happened. I didn't realize you were an admin, so I didn't realize that you were actually speaking with authority on this. I thought you were just some random user. Where and how has BP "taken the stance to use 'Gang'", do you mean someone used that, and it caught on? I don't see how such a thing makes "gang" better than "team" or anything else, which are official. Regardless, since this affects more than the Rocket page, where would I have to make my case? Once I have done so, would you be willing to consider it? I also have something related to romanization (Suikun and Serebi) that I would like to discuss, where would I talk about that? Thanks. [[User:TJF|TJF]] ([[User talk:TJF|talk]]) 23:51, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Team Rocket

2013-07-13T23:25:02Z

TJF: See my question on your talk page. There is no point in discussing changing something that was not discussed in the first place, and there is disagreement. I don't see why that isn't enough.

:''If you were looking for the TCG set, see [[Team Rocket (TCG)]].''
:''Rocket redirects here. For the Trainer class referred to as Rocket in Generation I, see {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}}s.''
:''If you were looking for the group consisting of Jessie, James, and Meowth, see [[Team Rocket trio]].''
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{{Team Infobox
|teamname=Team Rocket
|jpteamname=ロケット団
|tmteamname=Rocket-dan
|logo=Rocket-logo.png
|image=HeartGold SoulSilver Team Rocket Grunt.png
|caption=Artwork of Rocket Grunts from {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}
|leader=[[Giovanni]]
|region=[[Kanto]], [[Johto]], [[Sevii Islands]] and [[Unova]] (anime only)

|admins=[[Archer]], [[Ariana]], [[Petrel]], and [[Proton]] (games) [[Carl]], [[Sham]] ({{pkmn|Adventures}})
|targets=[[Mt. Moon]], [[Pokémon Tower]], [[Silph Co.]], [[Mt. Ember]], [[Icefall Cave]], [[Dotted Hole]], [[Chrono Island]], [[Slowpoke Well]], [[Lake of Rage]], [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]], [[Dreamyard]] {{tt|*|anime only}} [[Battle Subway]]{{tt|*|anime only}} [[Milos Island]] {{tt|*|anime only}} [[Twist Mountain]] {{tt|*|anime only}} [[Abyssal Ruins]]{{tt|*|anime only}}
|hideout=[[Celadon City]] ([[Generation|Gen]] {{gen|I}}/{{gen|III}}) [[Mahogany Town]] ([[Generation|Gen]] {{gen|II}}/{{gen|IV}}) [[Chrono Island]] (Sevii Island Branch [[Generation|Gen]] {{gen|III}})
|epnum=EP002
|epname=Pokémon Emergency!
|psnum=PS001
|psname=Glimpse of the Glow
|tcg=Rocket
}}
'''Team Rocket''' (Japanese: '''ロケット{{tt|団|だん}}''' ''Rocket-dan'', literally ''Rocket Team'') is a [[villainous team]] in pursuit of evil and exploitation of Pokémon based in the [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]] regions with a small outpost in the [[Sevii Islands]].

While its main focus is stealing or capturing, then selling, rare and strong Pokémon, it also funds and conducts cruel experimental research on Pokémon. Their oath, as posted on the wall of [[Team Rocket HQ|one]] of their many bases, is "Steal Pokémon for profit. Exploit Pokémon for profit. All Pokémon exist for the glory of Team Rocket." Their ultimate goal is to take over the world using Pokémon.

==In the games==
===In Kanto===
In the [[Generation I]] games and {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s|their remakes}}, Team Rocket's attention is focused in their home region of Kanto, distributing Pokémon as prizes through the [[Rocket Game Corner]] in [[Celadon City]] and the [[Rocket Hideout|secret subterranean hideout]] underneath it. In [[Mt. Moon]], one of the many grunts says that Team Rocket intends to sell the [[Fossil|Pokémon Fossils]] they are mining in the cave. Several members also broke into a house in [[Cerulean City]] to steal a TM from its owner, and a mission devoted to stealing {{p|Cubone}} skulls in [[Lavender Town]] resulted in a hostage situation involving [[Mr. Fuji]] and the death of a {{p|Marowak}}. Another hostage situation developed soon afterward when the organization overran [[Silph Co.]] in [[Saffron City]] with the intention of getting the plans for the [[Master Ball]], a prototype of which had already been produced. A Team Rocket recruiter runs the [[Nugget Bridge]] challenge north of Cerulean, and asks the player to join the Team when the challenge is completed.

The {{player}} is tasked with ousting the organization from its strongholds, and doing so, will meet the Team Rocket Boss, [[Giovanni]]. He is adamant about the success of his plots, but is not heard from again after his appearance at Silph until the player returns to [[Viridian City]] for his or her final Badge– which Giovanni himself is in charge of giving out, being the region's eighth, {{t|Ground}}-specialist Gym Leader. After the player has defeated him this final time, Giovanni acknowledges the player as a better Trainer and disappears without a trace, vowing to disband Team Rocket (though it is later revealed in Generation IV that he only intended to become stronger, and he deliberately didn't completely disband Team Rocket).

Three years later, one Team Rocket operative returned to Kanto to steal a critical part from its [[Power Plant]]. Since only this member was involved in this plot, it is likely that he had no knowledge of Team Rocket's prior second disbandment and was working independently. Curiously enough, in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, he mentions that he will return to his home country and rebuild Team Rocket anew, something that he did not say in [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|the original games]], though it is later revealed in {{2v2|Black|White}} that he gave up his plans when he returned [[Icirrus City|home]] and subsequently married, instead finding happiness with his new family. Team Rocket has not been seen since.

===In the Sevii Islands===
In FireRed and LeafGreen, Team Rocket has a small branch in the [[Sevii Islands]], searching for the {{key|III|Ruby}} and {{key|III|Sapphire}} gems. This branch is based out of the [[Rocket Warehouse]] on [[Chrono Island]], situated in the middle of the [[Five Isle Meadow]], where many Pokémon are held captive in cages.

Their search for the Ruby leads them to [[Mt. Ember]], though they fail to find it. They then appear in [[Icefall Cave]] where, with the help of [[Lorelei]], they are driven out. A scientist named [[Gideon]] then appears at the [[Dotted Hole]] to retrieve the Sapphire.

They player must then follow Gideon to their Rocket Warehouse where the Sapphire must be retrieved. After the player defeats the two Admins at the Rocket Warehouse, they realize that Giovanni has been defeated in Kanto, and without the lifeblood of the organization, all is lost for the Sevii Islands branch. Team Rocket subsequently pulled out of the Sevii Islands and has not been seen there since.

It is highly likely that this branch may be the precursor to the [[Johto]] branch that will appear [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|three years later]] from this time, as one of the computer screens has plans for a device to force Pokémon to evolve. Such a device will cause a rampage of Gyarados at the [[Lake of Rage]] during the plot of HeartGold and SoulSilver. In addition, the Rocket members here vow to find Giovanni and rebuild Team Rocket, which will the goal of Team Rocket during the Generation II games and their remakes. The Rocket Admins, considering their teams, may in fact be [[Ariana]] and [[Archer]]. However, the presence of an office used by Giovanni in the Mahogany Town base suggests that Team Rocket may have established the Johto branch before Giovanni initially disbanded the group.

===In Johto===
In the [[Generation II]] games and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s|their remakes}}, three years after the defeat of Giovanni at the hands of {{ga|Red}}, a few members of the old Team Rocket attempted to reestablish the organization and get it back in operation, while awaiting the return of [[Giovanni|their leader]], who was apparently away on solo training.

This new Team Rocket started off small, first kidnapping the {{p|Slowpoke}} from [[Azalea Town]] and holding them hostage to create rain. While selling their [[Slowpoketail|tails]] to the black market to help reform Team Rocket . They began their operation, led by Executive [[Proton]], in the [[Slowpoke Well]], where all of the local Slowpoke dwelled. However, with the help of [[Kurt]], the player manages to scare them away, and return the Slowpoke back to the town. When the player enters Goldenrod City, a Rocket is seen outside the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower|Radio Tower]]. In Generation IV in Ecruteak City, the player encounters a Rocket Grunt harassing a [[Kimono Girl]], and the player must defeat him. Eventually, they are encountered in [[Mahogany Town]], where they have set up a [[Team Rocket HQ|secret hideout]] in the basement of the town's shop, which stores a machine that emits high-frequency sound waves. These sound waves brainwash Pokémon and induce evolution in the {{p|Magikarp}} that live in the [[Lake of Rage]] north of the town, turning them into {{p|Gyarados}}, which are far more profitable than their pre-evolutionary form. With the help of the [[Indigo Plateau]] {{pkmn|Champion}}, [[Lance]], the player defeats the syndicate once again. In this mission, the player must defeat Executives [[Petrel]] and [[Ariana]].

In a last-ditch attempt to get in contact with their former leader, Giovanni, the group hijacks the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower|Radio Tower]] in [[Goldenrod City]], flooding the airwaves with a message to Giovanni. [[Petrel]], who disguised himself as the impostor station manager, met with the player, who challenged the Rocket Executive to a battle, and in the process, admitting the location of where they were holding the real station manager to the player, the Goldenrod Underground. Thus, with the real station manager free of Team Rocket's hold, the player rushes off to meet [[Archer]], the interim head of Team Rocket, where they face off in a final match. Once again defeated by the main protagonist, the Executives in charge of the operation vow to disband Team Rocket for good. Every Rocket Executive is fought in this mission. Likewise, several miles away, in [[Tohjo Falls]], Giovanni heard the message, intending to use it as his return, until he was defeated by the player and {{ga|Ethan}}/{{ga|Lyra}}, who had traveled back in time with {{p|Celebi}}.

The Team Rocket members involved in the Johto plot may be connected in some way to the Sevii Islands branch of Team Rocket, as the Executives have similar teams to the Executives there, while a computer in the [[Rocket Warehouse]] indicates the beginnings of the Lake of Rage plot.

===In Unova===
Although Team Rocket itself does not appear in [[Generation V]], it was implied that a re-establishing of Team Rocket occurred in Unova by the Team Rocket operative in Cerulean City was planned, but he gave up on those plans when he married. He resides in [[Icirrus City]] with his wife and son. Team Rocket is also mentioned by a Team Plasma grunt in [[N's Castle]] in the first games, who claims that their plans were thwarted because "they drew too much attention to themselves".

==In the anime==
[[File:Team Rocket BW.png|thumb|Team Rocket as seen in the {{series|Best Wishes}}.]]
In the [[Pokémon anime]], Team Rocket is based in Kanto, with many smaller branches across Kanto and Johto. Like in the games, {{an|Giovanni}} is the Gym Leader of [[Viridian City]]'s Pokémon Gym during {{Ash}}'s journey through the region, however, he is later revealed to have abandoned his duties.

An underground school for aspiring Team Rocket operatives is present somewhere in the region, while the organization's headquarters were formerly near [[Pallet Town]]. The headquarters was relocated sometime during Ash's journey in Johto or [[Hoenn]] to a large building in a canyon following damages it sustained due to {{an|Mewtwo}}'s anger at being controlled.

===The trio===
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[[File:Team Rocket anime.png|left|thumb|Jessie, James and Meowth.]]
A trio of Team Rocket field agents, [[Jessie]], [[James]], and a talking {{MTR}}, were defeated on an assignment to steal Pokémon from Viridian City's [[Pokémon Center]] by rookie Trainer [[Ash Ketchum]] and his {{AP|Pikachu}}, and since then have followed him everywhere on his journey in order to steal the Pikachu that humiliated them. After following him through Kanto and Johto, coming in contact with many other Team Rocket members along the way and being shown as incompetent compared to said members, the trio followed Ash to the [[Hoenn]] region under directions from Giovanni to establish a branch of Team Rocket there (though this was really only a ploy to get them out of his hair). When Ash returned from Hoenn after competing in its [[Ever Grande Conference|regional League Conference]], the trio returned to Kanto as well, empty-handed. After following him through Kanto once again, Giovanni assigned the trio to the [[Sinnoh]] region, again with the directive to establish a Team Rocket branch there.
[[File:Team Rocket BW 1.png|thumb|right|Team Rocket in their black uniforms as seen from ''[[BW001|In The Shadow of Zekrom!]]'' through ''[[BW022|A Venipede Stampede!]]'']]
Giovanni claims to not even recognize the three agents, and has rejected the only Pokémon they ever presented to him: a {{TP|Misty|Togepi}} and a [[Jessie's Yanmega|Yanma]]. Meowth often [[Boss fantasy|fantasizes]] about pleasing Giovanni with Pokémon captured using one of the trio's many harebrained schemes and mechas, at which point he would then replace [[Giovanni's Persian]] as "top cat", however this is hindered by both the fact that Ash and {{Ashfr}} defeat the trio each time, as well as Giovanni's low opinion of the three, who have managed to eat up much of Team Rocket's funding with their failures.

While Giovanni views the trio as "bumbling idiots who can't do anything right", they have occasionally shown that they can do things right, if only by working on the side of Ash and his friends. It should be noted that when other Team Rocket members have come into contact with Ash or any of his friends they've been often just as easily foiled as these three.

The trio has often been shown as poor or having little money. This may be due to the amount of machinery and costumes they use in their attempts to capture Ash’s Pikachu. Because they have an unusually high rate of failure, one would wonder why Giovanni continues to fund their projects. They often take on side-jobs like selling food at stadiums or creating fake items and selling them to the public. Several episodes after the series began, they notably started speaking in rhymes from time to time.
[[File:Team Rocket HQ.png|thumb|right|Team Rocket's Headquarters as seen in the ''[[Best Wishes]]'' series]]
As of ''[[BW001|In The Shadow of Zekrom!]]'' the trio have undergone a major character shift and, rather than being the comedic relief of the series, the team have a far more serious nature and have become more of a threat to Ash and his friends. They also seem to be more quick-witted than they were before and have successfully accomplished several missions assigned to them. Aside from that, Jessie and James also received new uniforms. Team Rocket as an organization has also been featured far more prominently that it did in all the previous series. For instance, there appear to be multiple agents situated all across the [[Unova]] region who pass on information and orders to Jessie, James and Meowth. Giovanni himself has also been featured much more prominently, unlike in previous series when his appearances (outside of Meowth's [[boss fantasy|boss fantasies]]) were rare. Now he is in regular contact with the trio, assigning them missions and passing on information. As a result, Giovanni is now a serious threat as he is beginning to take a more active role in the trio's operations. Following [[BW023 (unaired)|events]] [[BW024 (unaired)|occurring]] in [[Castelia City]], however, the trio have been discharged from their duties. With this, they have returned to their original white uniforms.

===Other members===
Many other members of Team Rocket have appeared besides the aforementioned boss and trio, most of them field agents as well. A recurring duo that is rivals with Jessie and James, [[Cassidy]] and [[Butch]], shows up from time to time. This pair reports to [[Dr. Namba]], rather than Giovanni directly.

[[Attila]] and [[Hun]], operatives from Team Rocket's [[Johto]] branch, are featured as antagonists in ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'', where they play the same role as Jessie and James do to {{jo|Jimmy}}, {{jo|Marina}}, and [[Vincent]]. Other Johto operatives include {{TR|Tyson}}, who was in charge of the [[Lake of Rage]] experimentation; [[Domino]], an elite Team Rocket member that was part of [[Mewtwo Returns|a mission]] to recapture {{an|Mewtwo}}; the [[Iron-Masked Marauder]], a high-ranking agent who managed to [[M04|capture a Celebi in one of his Dark Balls]], and [[Professor Sebastian]], a high-ranking Rocket scientist involved in both Attila and Hun's and Tyson's plots.

Jessie's mother, [[Miyamoto]], was at one time a Team Rocket member under [[Madame Boss|Giovanni's mother]], however, she disappeared without a trace on an expedition to find and capture {{p|Mew}}.

[[Pierce]] and [[Dr. Zager]] are two high-ranking members of the organization introduced to assist Jessie and James with their missions in Unova. Dr. Zager currently has a relationship to Jessie and James similar to that of Dr. Namba in relation to Butch and Cassidy, directly coordinating their missions and providing machinery. Among his creations are an energy cannon using the power of {{p|Roggenrola}} and the "[[BW047|Ghost Train]]".

Team Rocket has attempted to do many major and potentially globally-altering operations, including cloning DNA of Mew and altering it to create {{an|Mewtwo}}. This stemmed out of a desire of Giovanni to appease his mother's obsession with Mew, although he ultimately desired Mewtwo for use as a weapon. When Mewtwo finally finished developing, he deceived Mewtwo into working for him, using him in Gym Battles against such Trainers as [[Gary Oak]] (who suffered his first of only four losses in the anime to date). Team Rocket also attempted to capture and control a {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Celebi}}, and it also created a device that could force Pokémon to evolve. It also [[M09|successfully managed]] to capture a {{p|Rayquaza}}, although it is never revealed whether they maintained control of it or if it managed to escape.

They have various means of [[Transportation in the Pokémon world|transportation]], such as boats, submarines and helicopters.

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
In ''Pokémon Adventures'', "Rocket" is an acronym standing for "'''R'''aid '''O'''n the '''C'''ity, '''K'''nock Out, '''E'''vil '''T'''usks."

Although grunts are first seen in ''[[PS001|Glimpse of the Glow]]'' searching for {{p|Mew}} in [[Pallet Town]], Team Rocket as an organization was not introduced until ''[[PS006|Gyarados Splashes In!]]'' in the {{chap|Red, Green & Blue}}. Here they are mentioned by {{adv|Professor Oak}} as an evil syndicate that use Pokémon for sinister purposes, mostly experiments. They are then seen looking for a {{evostone|Moon Stone}} in [[Mt. Moon]]. After running into Red and Misty they battled them with a {{p|Rhyhorn}}, and when it looked like [[Pika]] may defeat it, a mysterious injection caused it to evolve into {{p|Rhydon}}. It was still defeated and the admin shown to be controlling it was [[Koga]].

Then they are seen with Red infiltrating their ranks trying to find {{adv|Green}}, who stole some information on Mew that was important for them. It was also revealed that under the [[Rocket Game Corner]] was a research facility for {{p|Mewtwo}}. After Green was found they revealed another Pokémon with a special ability, a Tauros with the ability to control other Pokémon with a swish of its tail. However they were defeated when Green's [[Ditty]] transformed into that Tauros and make the other Pokémon defeat themselves. However they believed they were okay since they retrieved the disc on Mew, which was, in fact, a fake. After realizing, they go out to find a Mew they though they saw, which was Ditty again. Eventually they figure it out and run into Red and Green who found the real Mew. Eventually as it was shown that the battle was going south Mew stepped in and knocked out the Rocket that was leading this hunt and his {{p|Jynx}}, leaving after that and Red and Green get away as well.

They are then seen on the Seafoam Islands chasing after Articuno only to be once again stalled by Red to a point where Articuno (which froze itself), defrosted and their combined forces easily drove Team Rocket away once again. Then they appear on Cinnabar confronting Blaine who had betrayed them. After Red joins the fight the then reveal their Moltres and the grunts disperse. Moltres is defeated by Red's Aerodactyl but is then revealed that it doesn't matter since it is then revealed that [[Koga]] has captured Articuno and [[Lt. Surge]] has obtained {{p|Zapdos}}.

After Blue and Green fail to get into Saffron City Blue takes a photo from the air showing some of Team Rocket's grunts there, making Blue deduce that that's their headquarters.

Once they get into Saffron City, the three of them enter Silph C., albeit for their own reasons. In each room each of the three had to face one of Team Rocket's heads. Red defeated [[Lt. Surge]] on 1F, Blue beat [[Koga]] on 2F, and Green managed to subdue [[Sabrina]] on 3F. The three of them met on 4F where a merger of the [[legendary birds]] was created by the Badge Energy Amplifier known as [[Thu-Fi-Zer]]. Thu-Fi-Zer was defeated, freed and split apart into the three birds. The Silph Co. building was destroyed with the three heads captured except {{adv|Giovanni}} was still at large.

In the {{chap|Yellow}}, Team Rocket is disbanded except there are many rumors of Team Rocket slowly rebuilding. These rumors are proven true when the [[Team Rocket Elite Trio]] attacks the [[S.S. Anne]]. After that the three admins that were thought to be incarcerated or even dead were proven to be out and waiting for Blaine, Blue, and Yellow. They revealed that the S.S. Anne attack was just a ploy to get the Elite Four's attention, but since Yellow ruined it, their plan backfired. Sabrina then had her Alakazam make the [[Spoons of Destiny]], pairing each of the Pokédex holders with a rocket Admin. Blue went with Koga, Sabrina with Green, Yellow with Blaine, and Lt. Surge was paired with Red but went with Bill instead since Red had been kidnapped and Bill's spoon had not bent since he didn't want to fight.

Each of these pairings was able to defeat a member of the Elite Four. Koga and Blue beat Agatha, Red, Bill, and Lt. Surge beat Bruno, Green and Sabrina beat Lorelei, and Yellow and Blaine defeated Lance.

====Neo Team Rocket====
Later in the {{chap|Gold, Silver & Crystal}}, it was revealed there was a revived branch of Team Rocket in Johto. They were first seen trying to take the [[bag]] full of Pokémon that [[Joey]] had been entrusted to deliver to Professor Elm, but the ended up taking Gold's backpack instead, greatly angering Gold since it had all of his family Pokémon in it. After they realized they made the mistake, Team Rocket dumped the bag and went to Elm's lab, ending Gold and Silver's (who Gold thought was the culprit) battle by knocking out Gold with an Elekid. Silver then took them on and defeated all of the Rocket Grunts and they all disappeared by the time Gold regained consciousness.

They appeared once again at the [[Ruins of Alph]], searching for the Unown when they encountered Bugsy and Gold. Gold had his Sunbo use flash to blind them which in turn, had the Unown which they all thought were simply symbols on the wall come out and attack them. Team Rocket then had their {{p|Spinarak}} use Spider Web to trap Gold and Bugsy in a room, but Gold had [[Exbo]] use SmokeScreen so some Unown would get caught in the web and take out their anger on Team Rocket. Their new leader then appeared in the shadows and mumbled about their incompetence.

They then appeared inside the Slowpoke Well trying to get Slowpoke Tails but Silver appeared and defeated all of them single-handedly.

They next appeared in [[Ecruteak City]] where it was revealed that an earthquake that hit the city was really caused by them and an admin's {{p|Piloswine}}. They then battle against {{adv|Gold}} and {{adv|Silver}}, mainly Silver so they could get revenge for him ruining their Slowpoke Well Operation but Gold joined in to get back at them for interrupting his first battle with Silver. They defeated them and they retreated since, according to the female admin, they had gotten the information they needed on Ho-Oh's behavioral patterns.

They then had their leader revealed to be the [[Masked Man]], and he sent the [[Team Rocket Elite Trio]] to catch the legendary beast, {{p|Suicune}}. They failed due to {{adv|Crystal}} and [[Eusine]]'s interference.

====The Three Beasts====
:''For the trio of legendary Pokémon, see [[Legendary beasts]].''

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[[File:The Three Beasts.png|thumb|Carr, Orm, and Sird]]
'''The Three Beasts''' (Japanese: '''三獣士''' ''Three Beast Warriors'') are powerful Team Rocket members who appear in the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}} of the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga. They are {{adv|Giovanni}}'s new lieutenants and are quite powerful and ruthless. They are individually known as [[Carr]], [[Orm]], and [[Sird]].

Under Giovanni's command, they raid the [[Sevii Islands]] looking for Red, Green and Blue. It seems this was done to obtain data on {{p|Deoxys}}. After Giovanni captured Deoxys, they headed back to Kanto. They each possess a black [[Pokédex]], which are used to determine their opponents' {{stat|Attack|Attack stat}}.

At the end of the chapter, Carr was led to believe that Giovanni was going to pass on the leadership of Team Rocket to Silver. He attempted to overthrow the other Three Beasts members, as well as Giovanni. Orm was killed, and Carr attempted to kill Sird, Red, Giovanni, and the others aboard Team Rocket's gigantic helicopter.

Sird, however, survived, and attempted to recapture Deoxys. She failed, but managed to petrify {{adv|Red}}, {{adv|Green}}, {{adv|Blue}}, {{adv|Yellow}}, and {{adv|Silver}} in the process.

====The Rocket Generals====
Three years after the events in the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}}, Carr attempts to revive Team Rocket with him as the new boss in the {{chap|HeartGold & SoulSilver}}. However, he is quickly stopped by the Rocket generals, being led by [[Archer]] and his comrades, [[Ariana]], [[Proton]], and [[Petrel]]. The four generals reveal their goal which is to find Giovanni and have him be the rightful ruler of Team Rocket once again.

The goal of the generals was to collect all the Plates in order to summon {{p|Arceus}} and bring back Giovanni with its power. Each of the generals had their own role in the mission: Petrel to find all the Plates, Proton to locate the [[Sinjoh Ruins]], Ariana to ward off all intruders, and Archer to find Arceus. Petrel initially had three of the sixteen Plates but they were stolen by Silver. Ariana battled Crystal and nearly won but the battle was interrupted by Arceus.

Eventually, Silver collected all sixteen Plates and the three Dexholders are warped to the Sinjoh Ruins along with Arceus and the generals. There, Archer has control of Arceus due to him being in possession of the Plates and he cries out to Giovanni. Archer forces Arceus to create the Creation trio. Silver is shocked by the mention of Giovanni's name and Petrel reveals to Silver that he knows that Silver is the son of their boss. He attacks Silver and reveals that he intends to betray his teammates so he can be second-in-command of Team Rocket. Silver attempts to distract the generals by sacrificing himself and Gold and Crystal uses that opportunity to use the Ultimate Moves to destroy the Creation trio. Arceus regains control of itself and uses its powers to send the Generals flying.

However, the creation process cannot be stopped and so Arceus succeeds in creating the Creation trio. Archer starts to lose his sanity and claims that all Arceus creates belongs to Team Rocket. Archer's behavior starts to scare his teammates and Petrel attempts to escape by disguising as Giovanni. However, he is stopped by the real Giovanni himself.

At first, Archer is delighted to see that the real Giovanni has returned. However, Giovanni, knowing that Archer's plans may potentially destroy the world, tries to stop the Creation trio with the returned Lance and Pryce. Archer is horrified by this and deems Giovanni as no longer the man and leader he thought he was. Archer, having lost his mind, runs at Arceus but is simply knocked back and lands on top of Petrel. The other generals remain hiding behind rocks, watching the battle.

After Gold manages to calm Arceus down by successfully connecting with his Pokémon, Petrel attempts to escape by disguising as Bugsy. He is spotted by Gold and is stopped by Lance. When Gold asks Lance how he was defeated by a coward by Petrel, Lance explains that Petrel managed to stun him by disguising as {{adv|Yellow|a Trainer with the same powers and birthplace as him}}.

After having stopped the Creation trio, Giovanni is visibly exhausted due to his disease. However, the Team Rocket Elite Trio managed to obtain the herbs needed to cure Giovanni's disease with the help of Gold's Pichu, the [[Spiky-eared Pichu]] and Celebi. After being cured, Giovanni decides to lead Team Rocket once again. He offers Silver a position in the team but Silver declines, stating that he shall stop Giovanni one day. Giovanni accepts his son's decision and walks away with the other Rocket members. Archer is carried off by a female grunt from the crowd and Giovanni states that he shall meet his punishment soon.

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===In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga===
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{{OBP|Giovanni|Pocket Monsters}} is the leader of Team Rocket.

==In the TCG==
Team Rocket has been featured in several expansions of the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]], most notably in the self-named {{TCG|Team Rocket}} expansion, where {{TCG|Dark Pokémon}} were introduced, and the {{TCG|EX Team Rocket Returns}} expansion, which commemorated the release of {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}. In addition, there are several Pokémon belonging to Team Rocket in the {{TCG|Gym Heroes}}, {{TCG|Gym Challenge}}, and {{TCG|Pokémon VS}} expansions. Several cards also portray characters and Pokémon from Team Rocket that originate from the {{pkmn|anime}}.

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{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Rocket's Mewtwo|14}}|type=Psychic|enset=Gym Challenge|enrarity=Rare Holo|ennum=14/132|jpsetlink=Gym Challenge|jpset=Challenge from the Darkness|jprarity=Rare Holo|enset2=Best of Game|ennum2=8}}
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{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|VS|Rocket's Entei|95}}|type=Fire|jpset=Pokémon VS|jprarity=Rare Holo|jpnum=095/141}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|VS|Rocket's Suicune|96}}|type=Water|jpset=Pokémon VS|jprarity=Rare Holo|jpnum=096/141}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|VS|Rocket's Tyranitar|142}}|type=Darkness|jpset=Pokémon VS|jprarity=Rare Holo|jpnum=142/141}}
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{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Hidden Legends|Dark Celebi|4}}|type=Grass|type2=Darkness|enset=EX Hidden Legends|enrarity=Rare Holo|ennum=4/101|jpsetlink=EX Team Rocket Returns|jpset=Rocket Team Strikes Back|jprarity=Rare Holo|jpnum=071/084}}
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{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Scyther ex|102}}|type=Darkness|enset=EX Team Rocket Returns|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|ennum=102/109|jpsetlink=EX Team Rocket Returns|jpset=Rocket Team Strikes Back|jprarity=Rare Holo ex|jpnum=061/084}}
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{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Suicune ex|105}}|type=Darkness|enset=EX Team Rocket Returns|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|ennum=105/109|jpsetlink=EX Team Rocket Returns|jpset=Rocket Team Strikes Back|jprarity=Rare Holo ex|jpnum=069/084}}
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{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Deoxys|Rocket's Raikou ex|108}}|type=Darkness|enset=EX Deoxys|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|ennum=108/107|jpset=PCG-P Promotional cards|jpnum=026/PCG-P|jpset2=PCG-P Promotional cards|jpnum2=035/PCG-P}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Unseen Forces|Rocket's Persian ex|116}}|type=Darkness|enset=EX Unseen Forces|enrarity=Rare Holo ex|ennum=116/115|jpset=PCG-P Promotional cards|jpnum=036/PCG-P|jpset2=PCG-P Promotional cards|jpnum2=053/PCG-P}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Meowth M (Movie Random Pack Promo 17)|Meowth]] {{SP|M}}|type=Colorless|jpset=Movie Commemoration Random Pack|jpnum=017/022}}
{{cardlist/div|Other related cards|Darkness}}
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{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Rocket's Sneak Attack|16}}|type=Trainer|type2=Supporter|enset=Team Rocket|enrarity=Rare Holo|jpnum=16/82|jpsetlink=Team Rocket|jpset=Rocket Team|jprarity=Rare Holo|enset2=Team Rocket|enrarity2=Rare|ennum2=72/82|jpset3=Pokémon Web|jprarity3=Rare|jpnum3=040/048}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Digger|75}}|type=Trainer|type2=Rocket's Secret Machine|enset=Team Rocket|enrarity=Uncommon|jpnum=75/82|jpsetlink=Team Rocket|jpset=Rocket Team|jprarity=Uncommon}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Nightly Garbage Run|77}}|type=Trainer|type2=Rocket's Secret Machine|enset=Team Rocket|enrarity=Uncommon|jpnum=77/82|jpsetlink=Team Rocket|jpset=Rocket Team|jprarity=Uncommon}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Sleep!|79}}|type=Trainer|type2=Rocket's Secret Machine|enset=Team Rocket|enrarity=Common|jpnum=79/82|jpsetlink=Team Rocket|jpset=Rocket Team|jprarity=Common}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Wizards Promo|Computer Error|16}}|type=Trainer|type2=Rocket's Secret Machine|enset=Wizards Black Star Promos|jpnum=16|jpset=Unnumbered Promotional cards}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|The Rocket's Trap|19}}|type=Trainer|enset=Gym Heroes|enrarity=Rare Holo|ennum=19/132|jpsetlink=Gym Heroes|jpset=Leaders' Stadium|jprarity=Rare Holo}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|The Rocket's Training Gym|104}}|type=Trainer|type2=Stadium|enset=Gym Heroes|enrarity=Rare|ennum=104/132|jpsetlink=Gym Heroes|jpset=Leaders' Stadium|jprarity=Rare}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Minion of Team Rocket|113}}|type=Trainer|enset=Gym Heroes|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=113/132|jpsetlink=Gym Challenge|jpset=Challenge from the Darkness|jprarity=Uncommon}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Gym Heroes|Tickling Machine|119}}|type=Trainer|type2=Rocket's Secret Machine|enset=Gym Heroes|enrarity=Uncommon|jpnum=119/132|jpsetlink=Gym Challenge|jpset=Challenge from the Darkness|jprarity=Uncommon}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Rocket's Minefield Gym|119}}|type=Trainer|type2=Stadium|enset=Gym Challenge|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=119/132|jpsetlink=Gym Challenge|jpset=Challenge from the Darkness|jprarity=Uncommon}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Gym Challenge|Rocket's Secret Experiment|120}}|type=Trainer|enset=Gym Challenge|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=120/132|jpsetlink=Gym Challenge|jpset=Challenge from the Darkness|jprarity=Uncommon}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Neo Revelation|Rocket's Hideout|63}}|type=Trainer|type2=Stadium|enset=Neo Revelation|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=63/64|jpsetlink=Neo Revelation|jpset=Awakening Legends|jprarity=Uncommon|enset2=EX Team Rocket Returns|enrarity2=Uncommon|ennum2=87/109|jpsetlink2=EX Team Rocket Returns|jpset2=Rocket Team Strikes Back|jprarity2=Uncommon|jpnum2=081/085}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Neo Destiny|Thought Wave Machine|96}}|type=Trainer|type2=Rocket's Secret Machine|enset=Neo Destiny|enrarity=Rare|jpnum=96/105|jpsetlink=Neo Destiny|jpset=Darkness, and to Light...|jprarity=Rare}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Neo Destiny|Team Rocket's Evil Deeds|103}}|type=Trainer|enset=Neo Destiny|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=103/105|jpsetlink=Neo Destiny|jpset=Darkness, and to Light...|jprarity=Uncommon}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|VS|Rocket's TM 01|127}}|type=Trainer|type2=Technical Machine|jpset=Pokémon VS|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=127/141}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Pokémon Retriever|84}}|type=Trainer|type2=Rocket's Secret Machine|enset=EX Team Rocket Returns|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=84/109|jpsetlink=EX Team Rocket Returns|jpset=Rocket Team Strikes Back|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=077/085}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Pow! Hand Extension|85}}|type=Trainer|type2=Rocket's Secret Machine|enset=EX Team Rocket Returns|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=85/109|jpsetlink=EX Team Rocket Returns|jpset=Rocket Team Strikes Back|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=073/085}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Admin.|86}}|type=Trainer|type2=Supporter|enset=EX Team Rocket Returns|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=86/109|jpsetlink=EX Team Rocket Returns|jpset=Rocket Team Strikes Back|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=079/085|jpset2=Black Deck Kit|jpnum2=017/020|jpset3=Silver Deck Kit|jpnum3=017/020}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Mission|88}}|type=Trainer|type2=Supporter|enset=EX Team Rocket Returns|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=88/109|jpsetlink=EX Team Rocket Returns|jpset=Rocket Team Strikes Back|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=080/085|jpset2=Black Deck Kit|jpnum2=019/020|jpset3=Silver Deck Kit|jpnum3=019/020}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Poké Ball|89}}|type=Trainer|enset=EX Team Rocket Returns|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=89/109|jpset=Black Deck Kit|jpnum=017/020|jpset2=Silver Deck Kit|jpnum2=017/020}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Tricky Gym|90}}|type=Trainer|type2=Stadium|enset=EX Team Rocket Returns|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=90/109|jpsetlink=EX Team Rocket Returns|jpset=Rocket Team Strikes Back|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=082/085}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Surprise! Time Machine|91}}|type=Trainer|type2=Rocket's Secret Machine|enset=EX Team Rocket Returns|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=91/109|jpsetlink=EX Team Rocket Returns|jpset=Rocket Team Strikes Back|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=075/085}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Swoop! Teleporter|92}}|type=Trainer|type2=Rocket's Secret Machine|enset=EX Team Rocket Returns|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=92/109|jpsetlink=EX Team Rocket Returns|jpset=Rocket Team Strikes Back|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=074/085}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Venture Bomb|93}}|type=Trainer|type2=Rocket's Secret Machine|enset=EX Team Rocket Returns|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=93/109|jpsetlink=EX Team Rocket Returns|jpset=Rocket Team Strikes Back|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=076/085}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|R Energy|95}}|type=Energy|energy=Darkness|enset=EX Team Rocket Returns|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=95/109|jpsetlink=EX Team Rocket Returns|jpset=Rocket Team Strikes Back|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=083/085|jpset2=Black Deck Kit|jpnum2=020/020|jpset3=Silver Deck Kit|jpnum3=020/020}}
{{cardlist/footer|Darkness}}

==Trivia==
* Team Rocket is the villainous team to have the most regions under its control, as it had operatives in Kanto, the Sevii Islands, and Johto (if one goes by the anime, it also has operatives in the Orange Islands and Unova).
* Team Rocket is the only villainous team that appears in each [[generation]] of the [[Pokémon games]], though their appearance in [[Generation V]] is limited to a single former {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt|Grunt}} and a [[Game Freak]] employee who plays the Team Rocket theme.
* Team Rocket is the only main series villainous team to not have anything to do with their respective games' version mascots. In the same way, they are the only villainous team that has yet to try and use a legendary Pokémon to achieve their goals in the games.
** In the anime, however, Team Rocket has tried to obtain the most legendary Pokémon for their own uses (by Jessie and James) out of any other villainous team.
** In Pokémon Adventures manga, they did have in their plans (and eventually succeeded) catching {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, and {{p|Moltres}}, but were then released; {{p|Mew}} to create {{p|Mewtwo}}; in the {{chap|Gold, Silver & Crystal}}, their missions included catching {{p|Ho-Oh}}, {{p|Lugia}}, and {{p|Celebi}}; in the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}}, their mission was to capture {{p|Deoxys}}; in the {{chap|HeartGold & SoulSilver}}, their mission was to capture {{p|Arceus}} and create {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}} and {{p|Giratina}}.
* Both Jessie and James have befriended or owned a Pokémon whose species are known to frequently work for the good of common people, a [[Nurse Joy's Blissey|Chansey]] and a [[Growlie|Growlithe]] respectively, with Chansey being known to work as nurses and Growlithe (along with Arcanine) being often used as police dogs. This is unusual, considering Team Rocket's association with crime and illegal activities.
* Team Rocket is one of only two villainous teams to have explicitly caused a death, that of {{OBP|Marowak|ghost|the Marowak in Pokémon Tower}}. The other being Team Galactic, whom a Trainer, Roughneck Kirby, blamed for the deaths of most of his Pokémon.
* Team Rocket's uniforms vaguely resemble {{wp|bōsōzoku}} uniforms.

==In other languages==
{| class="roundy" align="left" style="background: #666666; border: 3px solid #CC0000"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|the Arab world|Arabic}}
|عصابة الرداء الأبيض ''isabat Ar-Redda Al-Abiadh''
|Literally "The white robe gang".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Spain|Catalan}}
|Team Rocket
|Same as English name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Greater China|Chinese}} ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
|火箭兵團 ''Fójin Bīngtyùhn''
|Means "Rocket Army".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Greater China|Chinese}} ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
|火箭隊／火箭队 ''Huǒjiàn Duì''
|Means "Rocket Troops".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|the Netherlands|Dutch}}
|Team Rocket
|From English name
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Finland|Finnish}}
|Rakettiryhmä
|Means "Rocket Group".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|France|French}}
|Team Rocket
|Same as English name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Germany|German}}
|Team Rocket
|Same as English name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Greece|Greek}}
|Ομάδα Πύραυλος ''Omada Piravlos''
|From "Team Rocket".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Israel|Hebrew}}
|צוות רוקט ''Tsevet Rocket''
|From "Team Rocket".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Hungarian
|Rakéta Csapat
|Literally "Rocket Team".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Indonesia}}n
|Tim Roket (Team Rocket)
|Transliteration of "Team Rocket".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Italy|Italian}}
|Team Rocket
|Same as English name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|South Korea|Korean}}
|로켓단 ''Rocket-dan''
|Means "Rocket Group".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Poland|Polish}}
|Zespół R
|Literally "Team "R".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Brazil|Portuguese (Brazil)}}
|Equipe Rocket
|From "Team Rocket".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Romanian
|Echipa Racheta
|From "Team Rocket".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|rowspan="2" | {{pmin|Russia}}n
|Команда Р ''Komanda R''
|Literally "Team R".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Команда Ракета ''Komanda Raketa''
|From "Team Rocket".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Spain|Spanish (Iberian)}}
|Team Rocket
|Same as English name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Latin America|Spanish (Latin America)}}
|Equipo Rocket
|From "Team Rocket".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|{{pmin|Thailand|Thai}}
|แก๊งค์ร็อกเก็ต ''Gang Rocket''
|From "Rocket Gang".
|}
{{-}}

==External links==
===On Bulbagarden forums===
* [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=5811 Team Rocket fan club (defunct)]
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EX Team Rocket Returns (TCG)

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{{redirect|Team Rocket Returns|the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga issue|Team Rocket Returns (Adventures)}}
{{ExpansionPrevNext | prev=EX FireRed & LeafGreen| next=EX Deoxys}}
{{TCGExpansionInfobox
|setname=EX Team Rocket Returns
|jasetname=ロケット団の逆襲
|transsetname=Rocket Team Strikes Back
|setlogo=EX07-Logo.png
|jasetnum=25
|ensetnum=22
|jacards=85
|encards=111
|enrelease=November 8, 2004
|jarelease=October 15, 2004
|alt=Team Rocket Returns
|numdecks=2
|deck1={{TCG|Jessie}}
|deck1type={{ene|Grass}}{{ene|Psychic}}{{ene|Fighting}}
|deck2={{TCG|James}}
|deck2type={{ene|Grass}}{{ene|Water}}{{ene|Lightning}}
|prevset=EX FireRed & LeafGreen|japrevset=EX Deoxys|japrevsetname=Clash of the Blue Sky
|nextset=EX Deoxys|janextset=EX Unseen Forces|janextsetname=Golden Sky, Silvery Ocean
}}
'''EX Team Rocket Returns''' (Japanese: '''ロケット団の逆襲''' ''Rocket Team Strikes Back'') is the name given to an Expansion of cards and [[Theme Deck]]s for the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]]. As with the prior set, {{TCG|EX FireRed & LeafGreen}}, the TCG took a step back to the first generation and focused on the villainous [[Team Rocket]] and {{TCG|Dark Pokémon|Pokémon they had corrupted}}, much like had been done {{TCG|Team Rocket|several years before}}.

==Information==
*The English set was released ''before'' {{TCG|EX Deoxys|Clash of the Blue Sky}} (Clash of the Blue Sky was before Team Rocket Strikes Back in Japan), as Nintendo wanted EX Deoxys's release to coincide with the release of the movie [[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]. This threw the English sets out of sequence with the Japanese sets and caused a difference in the set number gap between the two languages. Because of this, the English set was less than a month behind the release of the Japanese set, which was (at the time) a record release.
*Similar to cards belonging to [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]] in {{TCG|EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua}}, the card layout was visually enhanced for Pokémon belonging to Team Rocket: -
**Team Rocket Pokémon have a character window with an "explosion" effect.
**The Pokémon type symbol in the top right corner of the card includes a similar graphic addition.
**Team Rocket Pokémon display the Team Rocket "R" insignia at the bottom right of the attack box.
*This was the first set to feature "owners'" {{TCG|Pokémon-ex}}. All of them belonged to Team Rocket, and they were all {{ct|Darkness}}s.
*In Japan, Deck Kits once again accompanied this set. They contained a lot of cards that were missing from the main set, and were added when the English version was produced.
*It was originally thought Team Rocket Strikes back would be given the prefix "ADV EX 2" in Japan, but the ADV prefix was rejected in the previous set.
*Rocket's Raikou ex was not included in the main set. It appeared in Japan first as a Battle Road Promotional card and later as an insert with a Team Rocket Strikes Back Special Edition set (which included one Deck Kit and two Booster Packs). The English version featured as the secret box-topper for {{TCG|EX Deoxys}}.
*This was the first set to feature [[Pokémon Star (TCG)|Pokémon]] [[Image: Shiningsymbol.gif]]. Similar in most respects to {{TCG|Shining Pokémon}} of the previous generation of cards, these cards feature the {{shiny|alternate color}} version of the Pokémon they portray. The {{star}} symbol is used to represent the star flash that appears when a shining Pokémon is encountered in the games; the rarity of the cards also reflect the rarity of these Pokémon. Card graphic differences include: -
**Sections of the Pokémon artwork are outside of the character window, with the head or limbs overlapping the window border.
**The card type color and character window have a slight yellow tinge.
**The rarity symbol is gold foil.
*The reverse-holographic design uses the same energy symbol foil pattern as in {{TCG|EX FireRed & LeafGreen}}.
*For the first time, the reverse-holographics feature the set logo in the bottom right corner of the character window. Also, the reverse-holographic versions of the holographic rares have gold foil name text, as well as the foil rarity symbol. These features were added to avoid confusion with the holographic rares. Every set since has followed this tradition.
*The secret [[box topper]] for this set is Charmeleon. A secret Trainer card, Team Rocket Strikes Back, appeared randomly in booster packs.
*The Prerelease card for this set is Dark Houndoom. Prereleases were held on the weekends of 30th/31st October and 6th/7th November 2004.
*All {{TCG|Dark Pokémon}} released in this set were previously released as Dark Pokémon in {{TCG|Team Rocket}} and {{TCG|Neo Destiny}} with the exception of {{TCG|Marowak}}, {{TCG|Steelix}}, and {{TCG|Sandslash}}.
*This expansion features cards for both Dark Arbok and Dark Weezing, which were also featured in the original {{TCG|Team Rocket}} expansion. These cards are also used in the {{TCG|Jessie}} and {{TCG|James}} theme decks, respectively, though by the time this set was released, the duo had already released their signature Pokémon in the {{pkmn|anime}}.

==Theme decks==
===English Theme Decks===
*{{TCG|Jessie}}
*{{TCG|James}}
===Japanese Half Decks===
*{{TCG|Black Deck Kit|Black}}
*{{TCG|Silver Deck Kit|Silver}}

==Card lists==
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{{Setlist/header|title=EX Team Rocket Returns|tablecol=EF7E42|bordercol=8A4639|cellcol=F9AA60|rarity=yes|symbol=yes|image=SetSymbolTeam Rocket Returns.png}}
{{Setlist/entry|1/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Azumarill|1}}|Water||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|2/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Ampharos|2}}|Lightning|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|3/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Crobat|3}}|Grass|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|4/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Electrode|4}}|Lightning|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|5/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Houndoom|5}}|Fire|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|6/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Hypno|6}}|Psychic|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|7/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Marowak|7}}|Fighting|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|8/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Octillery|8}}|Water|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|9/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Slowking|9}}|Psychic|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|10/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Steelix|10}}|Darkness|Metal|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|11/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Jumpluff|11}}|Grass||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|12/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Kingdra|12}}|Water||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|13/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Piloswine|13}}|Fighting||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|14/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Togetic|14}}|Colorless||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|15/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Dragonite|15}}|Darkness||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|16/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Muk|16}}|Grass|Darkness|Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|17/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Raticate|17}}|Darkness||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|18/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Sandslash|18}}|Fighting|Darkness|Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|19/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Tyranitar|19}}|Darkness||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|20/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Tyranitar|20}}|Fighting|Darkness|Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|21/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Delibird|21}}|Water||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|22/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Furret|22}}|Colorless||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|23/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Ledian|23}}|Grass||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|24/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Magby|24}}|Fire||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|25/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Misdreavus|25}}|Psychic||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|26/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Quagsire|26}}|Water||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|27/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Qwilfish|27}}|Water||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|28/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Yanma|28}}|Grass||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|29/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Arbok|29}}|Grass|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|30/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Ariados|30}}|Grass|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|31/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Dragonair|31}}|Darkness||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|32/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Dragonair|32}}|Darkness||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|33/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Flaaffy|33}}|Lightning|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|34/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Golbat|34}}|Grass|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|35/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Golduck|35}}|Water|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|36/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Gyarados|36}}|Water|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|37/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Houndoom|37}}|Fire|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|38/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Magcargo|38}}|Fire|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|39/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Magneton|39}}|Lightning|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|40/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Pupitar|40}}|Fighting|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|41/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Pupitar|41}}|Fighting|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|42/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Weezing|42}}|Grass|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|43/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Heracross|43}}|Fighting||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|44/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Magmar|44}}|Fire||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|45/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Mantine|45}}|Water||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|46/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Meowth|46}}|Darkness||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|47/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Wobbuffet|47}}|Darkness||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|48/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Seadra|48}}|Water||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|49/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Skiploom|49}}|Grass||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|50/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Togepi|50}}|Colorless||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|51/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Cubone|51}}|Fighting||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|52/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dratini|52}}|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|53/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dratini|53}}|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|54/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Drowzee|54}}|Psychic||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|55/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Ekans|55}}|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|56/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Grimer|56}}|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|57/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Hoppip|57}}|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|58/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Horsea|58}}|Water||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|59/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Houndour|59}}|Fire||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|60/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Houndour|60}}|Fire||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|61/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Koffing|61}}|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|62/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Larvitar|62}}|Fighting||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|63/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Larvitar|63}}|Fighting||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|64/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Ledyba|64}}|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|65/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Magikarp|65}}|Water||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|66/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Magnemite|66}}|Lightning||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|67/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Mareep|67}}|Lightning||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|68/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Marill|68}}|Water||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|69/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Onix|69}}|Fighting||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|70/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Psyduck|70}}|Water||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|71/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rattata|71}}|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|72/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rattata|72}}|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|73/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Remoraid|73}}|Water||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|74/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Sandshrew|74}}|Fighting||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|75/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Sentret|75}}|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|76/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Slowpoke|76}}|Psychic||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|77/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Slugma|77}}|Fire||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|78/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Spinarak|78}}|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|79/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Swinub|79}}|Fighting||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|80/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Voltorb|80}}|Lightning||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|81/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Wooper|81}}|Water||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|82/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Zubat|82}}|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|83/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Copycat|83}}|Trainer|Supporter|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|84/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Pokémon Retriever|84}}|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|85/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Pow! Hand Extension|85}}|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|86/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Admin.|86}}|Trainer|Supporter|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|87/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Hideout|87}}|Trainer|Stadium|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|88/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Mission|88}}|Trainer|Supporter|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|89/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Poké Ball|89}}|Trainer||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|90/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Tricky Gym|90}}|Trainer|Stadium|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|91/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Surprise! Time Machine|91}}|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|92/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Swoop! Teleporter|92}}|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|93/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Venture Bomb|93}}|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|94/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Dark Metal Energy|94}}|Energy|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|95/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|R Energy|95}}|Energy|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|96/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Articuno ex|96}}|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|97/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Entei ex|97}}|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|98/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Hitmonchan ex|98}}|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|99/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Mewtwo ex|99}}|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|100/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Moltres ex|100}}|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|101/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Scizor ex|101}}|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|102/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Scyther ex|102}}|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|103/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Sneasel ex|103}}|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|104/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Snorlax ex|104}}|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|105/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Suicune ex|105}}|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|106/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Rocket's Zapdos ex|106}}|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|107/109|[[Mudkip ☆ (EX Team Rocket Returns 107)|Mudkip]] {{Star}}|Water||ShinyRare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|108/109|[[Torchic ☆ (EX Team Rocket Returns 108)|Torchic]] {{Star}}|Fire||ShinyRare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|109/109|[[Treecko ☆ (EX Team Rocket Returns 109)|Treecko]] {{Star}}|Grass||ShinyRare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|110/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Charmeleon|110}}|Fire||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|111/109|{{TCG ID|EX Team Rocket Returns|Here Comes Team Rocket!|111}}|Trainer|Supporter|Rare Holo|}}
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{{Setlist/entry|002/084|Zubat|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|003/084|Grimer|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|004/084|Koffing|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|005/084|Ledyba|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|006/084|Ledian|Grass||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|007/084|Hoppip|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|008/084|Skiploom|Grass||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|009/084|Jumpluff|Grass||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|010/084|Yanma|Grass||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|011/084|Treecko {{Star}}|Grass||ShinyRare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|012/084|Dark Arbok|Grass|Darkness|Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|013/084|Dark Golbat|Grass|Darkness|Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|014/084|Dark Muk|Grass|Darkness|Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|015/084|Dark Weezing|Grass|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|016/084|Dark Crobat|Grass|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|017/084|Magmar|Fire||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|018/084|Houndour|Fire||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|019/084|Magby|Fire||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|020/084|Torchic {{Star}}|Fire||ShinyRare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|021/084|Dark Houndoom|Fire|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
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{{Setlist/entry|025/084|Azumarill|Water||Rare Holo|}}
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{{Setlist/entry|031/084|Mantine|Water||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|032/084|Kingdra|Water||Rare Holo|}}
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{{Setlist/entry|034/084|Dark Octillery|Water|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
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{{Setlist/entry|036/084|Mareep|Lightning||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|037/084|Dark Electrode|Lightning|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
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{{Setlist/entry|039/084|Dark Ampharos|Lightning|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
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{{Setlist/entry|042/084|Misdreavus|Psychic||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|043/084|Dark Hypno|Psychic|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|044/084|Dark Slowking|Psychic|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
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{{Setlist/entry|046/084|Onix|Fighting||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|047/084|Cubone|Fighting||Common|}}
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{{Setlist/entry|049/084|Swinub|Fighting||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|050/084|Piloswine|Fighting||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|051/084|Dark Sandslash|Fighting|Darkness|Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|052/084|Dark Marowak|Fighting|Darkness|Rare Holo|}}
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{{Setlist/entry|054/084|Sentret|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|055/084|Furret|Colorless||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|056/084|Togepi|Colorless||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|057/084|Togetic|Colorless||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|058/084|Dark Raticate|Darkness||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|059/084|Rocket's Meowth|Darkness||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|060/084|Rocket's Hitmonchan ex|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|061/084|Rocket's Scyther ex|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|062/084|Rocket's Snorlax ex|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|063/084|Rocket's Zapdos ex|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|064/084|Rocket's Mewtwo ex|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|065/084|Rocket's Wobbuffet|Darkness||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|066/084|Rocket's Scizor ex|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|067/084|Rocket's Sneasel ex|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|068/084|Rocket's Entei ex|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|069/084|Rocket's Suicune ex|Darkness||Rare Holo ex|}}
{{Setlist/entry|070/084|Dark Tyranitar|Darkness||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|071/084|Rocket's Celebi|Darkness||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|072/084|Dark Steelix|Darkness|Metal|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|073/084|Pow! Hand Extension|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|074/084|Swoop! Teleporter|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|075/084|Surprise! Time Machine|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|076/084|Venture Bomb|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|077/084|Pokémon Retriever|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|078/084|Copycat|Trainer|Supporter|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|079/084|Rocket's Admin.|Trainer|Supporter|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|080/084|Rocket's Mission|Trainer|Supporter|Uncommon|}}
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{{Setlist/entry|082/084|Rocket's Tricky Gym|Trainer|Stadium|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|083/084|R Energy|Energy|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|084/084|Dark Metal Energy|Energy|Darkness|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|085/084|Here Comes Team Rocket!|Trainer|Supporter|Rare Holo|}}
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File:EX7 Booster Scyther.jpg|English booster pack ({{p|Scyther}})
File:EX7 Booster Tyranitar.jpg|English booster pack ({{p|Tyranitar}})
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User talk:ArcToraphim/Archive2

2013-07-13T23:20:40Z

TJF:

*[[User talk:ArcToraphim/Archive1|Archive 1]]

== Must discuss 団s meaning before editing ==

You undid a revision of mine and said that I must discuss 団s meaning before making these sorts of edits. I'm unsure why you say this. There was no discussion choosing to translate 団 as "gang", so there is no one to disagree with. I could stalk through the edit history and find who made the first reference to that and then hopefully contact them, but aside from that there is no discussion to be had. [[User:TJF|TJF]] ([[User talk:TJF|talk]]) 23:20, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

== Battle judge ==

Nice article. Just remember that when you create pages you should link to them in other articles so that people can find them (and improve them!). If they don't get links they'll end up on [[Special:LonelyPages|this dungheap]]. Cheers, —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:It was late, trom. x_x That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Feeling Shipping ==

I have noticed no one made a Yellow and Green page yet.is it ok if i make one? {{unsigned|Rubybrendan}}
:Administrative note: moved here from Luna's talk archive —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== A question ==

Ah... hello. I have a question relating a shipping article that I started (sorry, did so without permission...) and was deleted by Magnedeth for reasons I don't quite understand; it doesn't help that no discussion items were left behind.

The ship is the SoulSilver one (Silver/Lyra), from HGSS. That one ship bothers me to no end, but I acknowledge that it's valid, so I thought it would be a good idea to start the article over at the shipping category, where I couldn't find it by that name (the only one I know for it), nor by checking the category for Silver nor HGSS pairings. And since over at the TV Tropes wiki it's no big deal for anybody to create an article, I went ahead with the idea, and let it remain a stub because it really is not my ship of choice.

Shortly thereafter, the article was deleted. I went to look at the Project Shipping page (...again; I had checked it before many times), which was the one I guessed was the relevant one for the case, and I kind of didn't find my article violating the rules, so I was left with just a question (OK, at last, this one goes for you): why was the article on the SoulSilverShipping deleted? --[[User:KayiR|KayiR]] 07:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

:It was deleted on the basis that the article would never be more than a stub, and all of its hints would be the same as Huntershipping. It would be like making an article for Clingyshipping (Barry/Lucas), NewRivalshipping (May/Wally) or Namelessshipping (Fire!Red/Blue) and expecting the article to be exceptionally different from (and not something that could be c/p'd to) an article on Conflictingshipping (Blue/Leaf), Loverivalshipping (Brendan/Wally), or a game!version only article of {{s|Twinleaf}}.
:Anything that could be said about SoulSilvershipping could be equally applied to Huntershipping; it's not exactly an exclusive 'ship in terms of its hints. And seeing as the opposite gender NPC doesn't crash into the rival at any point (save for the very beginning), the NPC cannot give an individual account of what they think of Silver, which takes even more individual hints away. The entire basis of either 'ship needs to come from Silver (you being the silent protag), and anything he says to Lyra is also the same thing he says to Ethan. So what's considered a hint for one must be considered a hint for the other. It'd be a pretty bias article, on that front. I'll think about if anything can be done in other ways for the couple, but as an individual article, I don't think it will stand up. Thank you for asking, though. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

::Mmm... And shouldn't it be better to at least acknowledge its existence, then say something like "the hints that apply to HunterShipping apply for SoulSilverShipping"? I mean, in case someone else with the same idea as me, but an actual supporter of the ship, came around and made an even bigger fuss? --[[User:KayiR|KayiR]] 17:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

:::We hold stricter notability standards for shipping articles. Not every pairing thought of by three fans deserves an entire page. For the ships that aren't notable for their own pages, we have lists of ships. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 17:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Except SoulSilvershipping is ''popular'', Buzz. However, popularity isn't a reason for notability if its article cannot sustain itself properly. And if people who support it come along and wish to make it, they will likely be given the same reasons they cannot. And like I said, I'll think of something for it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Don't some shipping articles have "other names for this ship" sections? Maybe a similar section could be added to HunterShipping, noting that SoulSilverShipping is the shipping name for Silver/Lyra, which goes by the same hints... I realize this could cause a fuss for a completely different reason, but it was the first thing I thought of, so I thought I'd suggest it. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== Specialshipping ==

How isn't Specialshipping canon?! --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 23:23, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:....Because Kusaka didn't make it canon...? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:25, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
::Red and Yellow's [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedStringOfFate red string of fate] doesn't count? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 23:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:::That simply means they're destined in some fashion; if this were a shoujo series, I'd be more inclined to agree, but it's shounen. It ain't canon until they're confirmed feelings. Frantic did it, and even Graceful referred back to having been ex-canon and possibly future canon. Commoner is apparently one-sided, which doesn't make it canon at all in terms of romance, but canon in terms of character traits.
:::I don't take kindly to people who assume 'ships are true when they are undoubtedly not. In the mean time, the red string is still only a hint. A hint to possibly something bigger, but even without a partial confession, or a scene where it's obvious their dating, it's not canon. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Luckyshipping ==

For the trivia you mentioned, "I was wary of the second piece of trivia before, but I've decided neither are viable. The rumor is left because its directly related to the manga's events". Did you notice it was in the trivia section? It's just some unimportant facts that people should know. It doesn't necessarily mean Trivia has to be with the Manga. Sorry to bother you about it ^^ Just wondering why it was removed.
[[User:XLuckyshipper|Luckyshipping - Because they're lucky to be together]] 00:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:I did notice it was trivia (I said it was as much). I removed it because while color-linking is common in video games, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a connection to the 'ship itself. Color-linking usually has a blue-red(-black) pattern, but in this case, it's not connected to the original series, seeing as it's Red/Green+Blue, not Red/Blue+Green (and that would only be a hint for the hero/rival, because the girl is the +1 regardless of what colors you do). J!Blue is an afterthought beyond J!Red/Green.
:I also removed the trivia on BurningLeafshipping, because Red and Leaf don't exist in the same space in the games. If you choose Red, Leaf doesn't exist in-game, and vice-versa. It's commonly accepted they're meant to be the same person, as in, they're different gender variants of the same being: the hero. BurningLeafshipping has as much connection to Luckyshipping as Twinleafshipping has to Haughtyshipping: entirely different circumstances. One's relation has no impact on the other's.
:That was pretty much why. *nod* [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 00:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, I see now. Thank you for the response; I understand now. [[User:XLuckyshipper|Luckyshipping - Because they're lucky to be together]] 19:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== Headline text ==
Hello. I hope I'm leaving the comment right... Umm does bulbapedia need an article on Coupleshipping?? If so may I do it please. (Sry I'm new here....) [[User:Diamond-Contestshipper|Diamond-Contestshipper]] 16:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:Coupleshipping? No such thing. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 19:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::Oh...I saw it on google so..yeah sorry about that. :( [[User:Diamond-Contestshipper|Diamond-Contestshipper]] 16:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:::First of all, you ought to give relevant titles to sections you make. "Headline text" doesn't explain a thing about what you're trying to ask. Secondly, you don't need to start a new section if your new post is on the topic of your previous section. Just indent (using ":") to reply to a previous post. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:Technically, Coupleshipping is "Lucas/Mars/Dawn" and nothing Dawn/Ash/Drew/May/whatever related. And 3somes don't get articles. But any articles we do need are [[Bulbapedia:Project_Shipping/To-do_list|here]], so please feel free, once you read the requirements for making an article. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Grings Kōdai ==
Hey, sorry to bug you, but I was wondering if we could get [[Kōdai]] moved to [[Grings Kōdai]] now. The movie's out, and I see no reason to believe that isn't his canon full name. Just wanted to ask. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 07:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:Better to ask something like Kenji on that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== New Shipping ==

Excuse me, I have a very important shipping that needs to be added. I belive it is you i must talk to to create it. It is called either HatShipping or JohtoShipping, wich ever you think is better, and it is between Lyra and Ethan. Also, could it be on
Category:Shipping as well as The List of shippers? If nessacary, I will write the page for you. Its sorta like the FortuneShipping of Johto. Speaking of wich, you could probably edit piece of trivia no 8 a bit on your page. [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|Yata.]]--Dermodio 15:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:Lyra/Ethan is called HeartSoulshipping, and I'm not sure at all if they even interact enough in-game for an article. If you want to try to write an article, first make it in your userspace. Something like '''User:Dermodia/HeartSoulShipping''' and if the article turns out fine, we can make it a full-fledged article. But if it doesn't make the cut, it will not be. You understand? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Okely Dokely. I will do so as soon as possible. --Dermodio 09:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== My edit in the AdvanceShipping article ==

Hi, I hope it's ok that I'm putting this here and not on the AdvanceShipping discussion page, but I was afraid you wouldn't see this there, since it wasn't used in nearly 2 years...

Anyway, You removed the part I added about the Prince and King of the Sea.

I just wanted to clarify that I didn't mean to say that the titles are related is a fact, just that it's another possible support to the Manaphy sees Ash as his Father theory (I did call it a theory, after all). And Ash is called the King of the Sea, [[Ship]] states that "He who holds the Sea Crown shall become the true King of the Sea." when explaining Ash new powers (At least in the Japanese version, I didn't saw the dubbed version so I don't know if something similar was said there).

Again, I hope that I'm not doing anything wrong by putting this here. [[User:Cag|Cag]] 16:27, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:Wild speculation without basis doesn't belong on these articles, much like it doesn't belong on any mainspace article. Context is one thing, but nothing I removed is relative to the theory. You implied the titles were related simply by using it as "support" for a theory that's pretty far-fetched to begin with and shouldn't be in the article at all (but I'm letting it stay anyway). Without a connection to the titles, you're basically inserting [[fanon]], and I've grounds to remove what isn't supported in canon.
:And if that is the line, then Ash's claim to the "King of the Sea" title is a throw-away line, BTW. Nothing more than a statement connecting back to the legend without impacting Ash's story. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
:: I can't exactly say I agree with you about it being baseless speculation, but I see your point (Well, since you're the project leader, I guess it doesn't really matter whether I see your point or not XD). Oh well, at least most of my edit is still there for now. Thanks for answering my question! :) [[User:Cag|Cag]] 19:51, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Shipping article ==
ok so can i add ships i think need an article in the Well it would be nice... section? [[User:Mash4eva|Mash4eva]] 15:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You could, but if I don't think the pairing would make a decent article, I'll only take it off. And if you make too many of those, it'll only be annoying, you know? It's too presumptuous. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==NegaiShipping==
Does the link at the bottom count as "hints"?[[User:Patrickmck|Patrickmck]] 22:33, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:The link at the bottom counts as an external link to a person's personal blog/website. It's content is also questionable and biased, despite claiming otherwise, as context is not given. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== ok i'll stop adding to the shipping list like crazy ==

sorry if that offended you. the reason why i added to the list because there's a lot of shippings i think need pages to them. one shipping though i think needs a page the most is curtainshipping. {{unsigned|Mash4eva}}
:You didn't "offend" me; but what you seem to think needs an article really can't, only because there's absolutely no substance to any you've added so far. Now, Curtainshipping has had an article before. It was deleted in a purge. It wasn't a good article then; there wasn't much to Maylene or Reggie's interactions beyond "they know each other." Not to mention, it's not a notable 'ship anymore, and that's what matters at this point. Curtainshipping doesn't have notability. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 05:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

ok and do you who runs the incomplete shippers list?[[User:Mash4eva|Mash4eva]] 01:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, I do. Why? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks :D ==

Thanks for backing me up on the color thing about the name for Abagoura! --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 02:22, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:Not a problem at all. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

== New ==
Hi, I'm new, and I want to help. I have only seen episodes 1-227, and I know them pretty well. [[User:Loghomewill|Loghomewill]] 01:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Awesome job, <strike>dude</strike> ma'am! ==

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Thank you, Luna, for the countless hours of effort you've put in over the years and especially the last few months. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
: What the hell is up with this weekend? o.O ...Thanks guys. =) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::We're watching you Luna. >:D It's about time you got rewarded for your efforts, congratulations. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::>D I can live with this (though I don't think watching me is any fun). Thanks for the nom', btw. *hug* [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:10, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== WOAH WOAH WOAH!! ==

Who said you could start updating the articles with the disambiguation notices!? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 16:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:... *points to every other pogey page* You know they finished that process, right? The ones I did were just the missed scraps. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::NO NO NO!! [[User talk:MAGNEDETH#Nidoran?|They haven't confirmed the change yet!]] --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 16:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::{{cat|Disambiguation pages for Pokémon|That was four-six days ago}}. You missed it when they did the whole thing, did you. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:47, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I'll give you that but five-six days ago we made a similar misconception when our very own Editor-In-Chief made a similar page, believe it or not, he was wrong at the time, it hadn't been confirmed yet, at least, according to [[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]]. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_pages_lacking_disambiguation_notices] --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 16:53, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::All of which I'm well aware of, and more. What you seemed to have missed it that, despite the move "not being confirmed" publicly, it's been done. Have you ''looked'' on the pokémon pages? Any one that has a dismbig? They were ''all'' updated with the disambig in the header. By mods. By [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magikarp_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1256600&oldid=1251781 Deth himself]? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::The reason people were editing the pages before is because other people were editing the pages. Just because people are editing the pages, including Deth, or even TTE, that STILL doesn't confirm the change. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:11, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Kid, I know you seem worried, but what part of "the change is done" is not sinking in? If I'm wrong, I'll get reprimanded. By staff. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::It's just I made the same mistakes, it's rather most of us are ALL wrong, or the admins need to confirm it in the forums or on bulbanews A.S.A.P. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:26, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I know you made the mistake; I also know it wasn't your fault. I'm ''also'' a moderator on the forums. Something like this? Not going to be mentioned in News. They did [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showpost.php?p=2459657&postcount=110 confirm it on the forums]. Ta. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:31, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Great! That's all I needed. Thanks. :) --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 13:48, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Disambig ==

Welp, they wanted the number of pages in the category decreasing, and it's the only way. And red links are bound to appear all the time, and they'd be eventually blue links as the time progresses, but I'll stop until I see activity on it. I kinda stepped back yesterday when I wanted to make these changes since the Disambiguation pages were red links after all. [[User:Masatoshi|'''Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''Discuss.''''']] 21:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
: Dude, eventually there will be a Disambig for that pokemon, or you can make one yourself, but just don't redlink them. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 21:47, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
:There's a misconception abounding, apparently. That status bar doesn't mean: they all have to have disambig links now...or else we would have done it already. Some of the pogeys you just redlinked for won't be getting necessary disambigs for a loooong time. They aren't necessary until they're necessary. We avoid redlinking in this kind of situation. If we don't ''need'' the article, there shouldn't be a link. If we do, the red link is there to serve as a reminder that we do. The disambigs = not necessary yet. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:52, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, then. My bad. ''(Everytime I try to do something, it's wrong or unneeded :<)'' [[User:Masatoshi|'''Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''Discuss.''''']] 21:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
:::That's just because you're a little ambitious. Which isn't wrong at all. It takes a bit of figuring, that's all. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Help... ==

I am having a problem. It says that we need a NeoRocketShipping article, but I don't know how to make the thing with the Luvdisc... And when I am trying to put a photo on the page, how do I control where it goes on the page?

I'm really sorry for bothering you, but I really need help...

Thanks,Eliza 23:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

== New Ship ==

Don't you think there should be a page for Chris and Eusine? There are so many hints; it'd be a great page!
I'm not saying it has to be done now, or anytime soon, but just think about. That's all I ask.

--[[User:Ggb81|Ggb81]] 02:42, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I understand. Thanks.
--[[User:Ggb81|Ggb81]] 01:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Dub hints ==

I was wondering what your stance on dub hints are. I've seen that one user keeps removing hints from [[RocketShipping]] on the basis that they are dub-added lines and don't matter. But [[PokéShipping]] has many dub hints listed. So should dub lines be allowed or removed? Or does it depend on the situation? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:26, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:The Rocketshippers monitoring that article believe the only hints of merit are the ones from the original source. It's a bad double standard that I understand where they're coming from, since a dub can't make canon what isn't from the original, but at the same time, you're right, we do have a lot of dub-added hints in the others. Ultimately, we're catering to an English speaking audience, and I wonder in that case, maybe there should be a separate section on the article for dub stuff, since that is the version most people are familiar with. *rubs neck* But then comes being trouble in its own right, since most of the fanbase couldn't decipher crud for the raw version of their ship enough to make the comparison. Maybe a tag. ('''DUB HINT''' blah blah blah.) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 04:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Confidence in abilities ==

Sorry for bothering you again. I just wanted to know if confidence in abilities are valid hints. Like how Cilan didn't worry too much about Pansage being sick after Iris gave it the medicine she had made.

I'm asking because a user [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Shipping:WishfulShipping&curid=119311&diff=1376056&oldid=1375854&rcid=1471630 reverted] an edit I made about Iris being confident in Cilan's abilities in [[BW019]] on the basis that "having faith is not a valid hint". Even though he says it isn't valid, hints like those are all over the place. I'd just feel better having a clear answer from you as I felt the revert was a little unjust. Especially considering what he said afterwards which is untrue of what actually happened.

Though I do admit that if I am allowed to add it back, I will word it slightly differently. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Confidence is usually taken in the subtext of how the character is presented with its said (where the person is in the frame, like a close-up, or Ash's reaction to it), and can usually be a best-judgment thing. Having not seen the episode (yet?), I couldn't tell you if it should stay or not. ._. On the other hand, if it was put in there and even if it's a valid point, is it a valid hint without the shipping goggles? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
::Looking at it now, maybe this one particular isn't that strong, given how Iris put it. It was just the reason for its removal that bothered me. This is good to know that they are valid hints. Thank you for clearing it up :) --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 13:55, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, it's definitely all about context and presentation. =) If the writers and animators want something to mean something, they will show it somehow, be it slight or obvious. That said, ^^; we might have to go through the rest of those kinds of hints. *grk* Toss-out lines are basically the same as being saved: nice to hear and see, but can it count? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Moves and abilities ==

Don't add the move tag. We know they need moved. All it does is create extra work removing it that could be spent moving the pages faster. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== To answer you question... ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Blaze_%28ability%29&curid=4142&diff=1393986&oldid=1393798&rcid=1490018 Regarding your edit summary on Blaze], they are the same in DPPt as what you changed it to. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

== Official guide proved wrong? ==

Hi, I saw [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=White_Forest&diff=prev&oldid=1403310 this] edit summary mentioning me and the guide on the White Forest page, and since I have been posting various things from it as what I believed was correct, I thought I'd ask, what in it is known to be wrong?
About all I've noticed mistake-wise is stuff like an extra space before a closing bracket... Thanks in advance, [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 11:25, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:Ah, it was merely that the table you provided concerning the BC/WF trainers (I assume your thoroughness in double-checking what you've provided, so I assume the table is exactly what the guide says). First thing I noticed was how the trainers in Back City own the evolutions of the pokémon they generate in White Forest. The table you provided, however, said Lena generates Azurill when she owns Gallade and Gardevoir, meaning she would generate Ralts. But since we don't have Molly's trainer info to back the difference, I was simply using the table to reference the surfing pokemon, and not using it to enter /all/ the trainers in, only leaving out the ones we don't have the team info for. =o I hope this clarifies it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:52, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:So rather, it's just a little infallible. That's it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:55, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
::Ah, oh, I can be dumb sometimes. After I spent so long checking that table, [http://i.imgur.com/ufoOl.jpg somehow I swapped the Pokemon for Lena and Molly]. Thanks for noticing, and apologies that I made a mistake like this. I've noticed too that they have the evolved forms in Black City, but they're not listed in the guide... Either way, I've now edited my original post, but if after this you don't believe in the accuracy of the rest of it, feel free not to. Sorry. x.x [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 14:03, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:::^^; I suppose I'm used to guides getting things wrong. Sorry for not asking if it was a mistake or not. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:46, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

== Hi! ==

What are all those oval things at the right side of the page? Sorry... I couldn't help asking.
GAH- I keep forgetting the four tides, so here they are:[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 01:14, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:Those would be called {{cat|User tags}} =) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:07, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
But what ARE they? Sorry, I'm new so I don't know a lot of things.[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 11:46, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:User tags are simply personal tags to tell people, in a nut shell, what a person is, does, likes, and owns. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:53, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
And how do you put one on your page?[[User:Bulbamelia|Bulbamelia]] 23:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:I would advise you not to touch your userpage until the edit limitation has lifted, but you can view the code of the page. Anything that starts with Template: is used inside these {{}} brackets. If it's Template:User Shipper, you simply put "User Shipper" inside the {{}}. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 00:24, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

== Burgh/City ==

Come on, you know that it's stupid. That's not how Nintendo names characters. And I don't see how living in Castelia, not any other city makes a difference here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:20, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:Castelia's based on New York's biggest metropolis, while every other city and town in these games has never come close to being depicted as city-like before. =p The character who people confuse as Jewish by looks alone trains bugs in the big city? I think someone was having a giggle that day, because of ANY bug-based name they could have picked, they picked one that makes the longest stretch and happens to correlate to where he lives. And no, I don't know how TPCi names their characters, because I'm not on the localization team, and neither are you. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:32, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

== Umm ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Shipping:CafeMochaShipping&diff=next&oldid=1445136 Why exactly was this similarity removed]? I'm a bit confused... Is it because Sewaddle has since evolved and may not have the same ability? If that's it, I can reword it differently. The point was that that both of their Pokémon had their abilities revealed in that episode. The similarity is not that different to the one about them both catching a Pokémon in BW035 which was left there. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, for butting in, but I really don't think that two trainer's Pokémon having both of their abilities revealed in the same episode counts as a romantic thing. I'm just saying. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 00:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
::It's not meant to be counted as romantic evidence. They're not even under the "evidence" part. It's more like trivia. All of the ships have a similarity section. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Again sorry, but didn't we delete all comparisons of anime Pokémon pages? Does this count too? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 00:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
::::It is acceptable for Shipping as the page is mostly fanon interpretation anyway. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I'm very sorry. Just wondering. I don't really know much about shipping anyway. Sorry for that. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:The wording made it sound like there was too much emphasis on them being "part bug with abilities starting with S". If the idea was "they were revealed at the same time," it's lost in the wording simply because that last sentence doesn't sound like an afterthought, but the main thought. Abilities being revealed is also a little too trivial. I know abilities being revealed is a big thing, but it strikes me more as really grasping to say something about the subject at hand. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
::So... If it just didn't have that one part would it be okay? Worded like the Pokémon capture one? I'm not saying it's necessarily a "big deal", but it is a similarity. I know some similarities are omitted because they can change but that really can't. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:::I suppose? I mean, it can be rewritten, of course. I'm not against the idea; I like trivia. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

== Personal Pic? ==

On the PearlShipping page, there is a personal image, but it is an image of Ash and Dawn sharing a high-five. Is this really considered a personal image then? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
:Well, it's not really doing anything for the article except being animated. The still-frame high-five is more shipper than that is, to be frank. If it were removed, I won't miss it. If it was meant to be a personal image and not an image uploaded for the purpose of being added to the article, it probably shouldn't be there at all. ...Which doesn't mean save it as a shipping image to preserve it. The image can go. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

== Official congratulations ==

Thank you for all the contributions you have made here, and welcome aboard the Bulbapedia staff (officially)! —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 03:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
:*throws Lady Gaga confetti* Congrats Luna! \o/ --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:45, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
::\o/ Yay! I don't even mind the Gaga confetti! :3 Thanks, guys. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

== Anything I can do? ==

Do you know of anything floating around on Bulbapedia that I can help with currently? Just wondering. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:31, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

== Bite ==

Another Moderator told me that Pokemon that learn a move from a pre-evolution (but do not learn it themselves) should still remain on the breeding fathers list because they are still part of their natural learnsets. I don't know if that's changed / if you've heard differently from another higher-up, but I've reverted your edit for now. Examples where this also occurs is how Vibrava / Flygon are listed under Feint, while only Trapinch learns it and Vileplume is listed under Moonlight, when only Oddish / Gloom learn it.[[User:Gymnotide|Gymnotide]] 11:09, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:If a pokémon cannot naturally learn a move in its own, why should it be listed as a father? If you have a Vibrava, thinking you'll be able to heartscale for Feint to breed onto a Gligar, you're basically giving false information, since it's not true. If it's listed in the can-learn list, it's a proper father. But if the only Eevee you have is Espeon with Psybeam/Morning Sun/Swift/Power Swap, you aren't gonna be getting a Rattata with Bite from it. Fathers should be the most readily available to have the moves in their move pool; if an evolution does not have said move in their move pool, they cannot be a father by proxy. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:25, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::Alright. I wasn't sure, which is why I wrote on your talk page. Nearly all other breeding charts that I've seen has this error then--which is why I never edit them >___> However, thanks for clearing that up. Arcanine can't learn Bite in Gen II either. [[User:Gymnotide|Gymnotide]] 12:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:::(Or Gen III. Whoops.) Well, with the new tables, checking is now a lot easier. =) [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Noooo!! Arcanine learns Bite in Gen III :P But... What do we do about chain-breeding then? Some Pokemon list chain-breeding targets when they have non-chained fathers as well. Should these be removed? [[User:Gymnotide|Gymnotide]] 14:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Ah jeez. I'm too used to thinking "start with Gen 2". Breeding should come in levels. If an egg move can be learned through a naturally-learned father, only those fathers should be in the table. If the father ''only'' learns the move through a TM/HM/tutor, that should be noted. And if the only way is through actual chain breed (regardless if their parent learned it naturally or through TM), only the earliest breeedable father should be in the table (meaning only Wailmer and no Wailord, and Mantine but no Mantyke, as examples). .... This makes more sense in my head. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:42, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

== Excuse me ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Movie_Commemoration_VS_Pack_%28TCG%29&curid=20214&diff=1470817&oldid=1371745&rcid=1571259 Why wouldn't you change them all.] It's pretty obvious that they will all need changed and that I haven't had a chance to finish what I'm doing, so I don't understand why you would leave it halfway done. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
:Because the others hadn't been moved? It wasn't "obvious" at all that they all needed to be changed; maybe to you it is, but the constant moving of the TCG pages to new pack names is like a foreign language, so I'm not about to presume you're going to move the rest, if you haven't already. I just fixed the links so those pages wouldn't be "orphans". [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
::I guess I sometimes don't realize how foreign the way I try to do things would appear to other people not familiar with TCG. I'm sorry for the accusations. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 19:46, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

== Hi ==

I noticed that, in the past, you've helped fill the Trainer class pages with Trainerlist templates. I'm currently trying to update the pages of [[Template:Orre trainers|the classes]] from Colosseum and XD. We already have most of the information across the [[:Category:Colosseum characters|chara]][[:Category:XD characters|cters]] and [[:Category:Orre locations|locations]] pages. Do you think you could help out again?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 04:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
:Mm. I can help, if you need me to. Any of the trainers completely updated and can be ignored? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
::Other than those which refer, and link to, specific people, {{tc|Shady Guy}}, {{tc|Mystery Man}}, and {{tc|Mt.BtlMaster}} are all done. I'll keep you updated.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 17:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

== {{adv|Black}} and {{adv|White}} ==

Do we have a ship for them? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 00:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
:It's called Agencyshipping. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:46, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
::Of course its the last thing I would think of. Thank you [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 11:48, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Do you know if and when the ship will get a page? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
:I'll that as yes and now. See ya. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 23:55, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
::You inspired it~ [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

== Let's ==

Hi I want to create an article about shipping between Iris's Emolga and Iris's Excadrill {{unsigned|Aliraichu}}
:I do believe that's a no. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:07, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

== RocketShipping ==

Hey Luna, I was wondering if RocketShipping should be added to [[Shipping:List of canon shippings|this page]] under the Electric Tale of Pikachu, as the pair do get married in that canon, and have a child together. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:22, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
:Oh, definitely. Probably a table, since the information on their EToP information on the Rocketshipping page is sparse enough. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:10, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

== LapShipping ==

In the shipping article, HatThiefShipping, it's said that the name of the relationship between Ash and Ambipom is ''LapShipping''. I tried to create the page, but could only come up with one sentence, and therefore was deleted. I was told to ask you for permission to create it. If there is a shipping name that is listed but hasn't been created, I think it's time to do so. What do you think? [[User:Satoshi101|Satoshi101]] 01:41, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
:HatThief and Lap are 'ships that both belong in the same article, because you're dealing with the same two characters (evolution doesn't change that). If you wish to contribute to Lapshipping, it should be done on the HatThief page. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Alright, that sounds reasonable. [[User:Satoshi101|Satoshi101]] 00:38, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

== Shipping ==

Hey I noticed you were the leader of Project Shipping, so I decided to ask you about this. I recently watched Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea again and I noticed possible hints between [[Lizabeth]] and [[May (anime)|May]]. I also noticed hints for [[Cilan (anime)|Cilan]] and [[Burgundy]]. Should I make Userspace articles about them and hopwfully get them mainspaced soon? [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 00:49, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
:Cilan/Burgundy already has an article here: {{s|Sommelier}}, so any further hints you have to contribute can be added to that. As for Lizabeth and May (Braceletshipping), it likely does not deserve its own article and should be added to either [[List of anime shippings|here]] or [[List of anime shippings|here]] (either or; they'll be melded together eventually) unless it becomes obvious that it should be its own article. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

== PikarisuShipping ==

I know that sometimes you like to put categories in Shipping pages that are still in the userspace so people can find them an help contribute them before they are mainspaced. But I'm wondering if [[User:Zewis29/PikarisuShipping|you can make an exception here]]. The user who made it has been gone for a long time and it doesn't have any real evidence. Like "Pachirisu standing next to Pikachu's ear" on that DVD cover. Really...? Not saying it has to be deleted, I just have a thing about it showing up in the Shipping space categories. However, it is your decision. I just see no hope for that article being taken seriously. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:I didn't even know that one existed. Personally, not enough information to be an article on its own (and likely won't have enough ever), never mind it's not even the right name (Electrocuteshipping), but....think we could incorporate it into your anime list, for the time being? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:08, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I could try. So we can hide the categories so it doesn't show up there? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

==this seems tedious.==

Why you don't program Bulbabot to add the [[Evolution]] link on every pokémon's page for you? adding the links to 639 pages manually seems tedious.--My r6g4rdz, [[User:Mr-ex777|TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777)]] 13:41, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:It only seems tedious if you don't mind doing it. I don't mind in the least (gives me something to do), and it's not just the only reason I'm going through every pogey's page. Some of the links are there and some are not, among other things. Simple as that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 13:58, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

== {{u|Mike234}} ==

He's {{U|LegandofThor2}}'s sockpuppet; their edits are pretty much identical. Could you block {{tt|them|Mike234 infinitely and LegandofThor2 for some time}}?--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

== Shipping Confusion ==

Good afternoon Project Leader,I have a question to ask.
I've recently saw the pairings made in the Shipping section and came across this.
-PalletShipping: Ash and Gary-

As I've seen in the anime there is no sign of attraction between these two,actually Ash doesn't show any sign of attraction towards no character especially boys.
Also it would seem quite inappropiate to make homosexual pairings in the anime.Don't get me wrong,I am not homophobic.
In the ending I would like to say that a possible Shipping could be between {{an|Brock}} and [[Wilhelmina]] as seen in [[EP132|For Crying Out Loud]].

Thank you in advance.
Looking forward for your answer. 14:31, 14 February 2012 (UTC) DJ Wolfy

:The articles are to acknowledge belief and list what is used in canon to show why such a relationship might be possible. It's not inappropriate in the least, given the show canonically has pokémon falling in love with humans, so I'm not sure what your point is here. You aren't a Palletshipper; that's cool. Neither am I. Articles focusing on male/male and female/female won't be removed because people fear it "promotes" something (the anime barely promotes romance as is, and certainly doesn't promote most, if not ALL of the pairings made into articles); they will be removed if and only if they do not meet article standards.
:Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean others don't. It's called shipping goggles. And Sissyshipping (Brock/Wilhemina) had its time; it is acknowledge she was one of the few who liked him (and fewer still who he liked in return), and while possible, it doesn't make it any less speculative to be "possible" and remains a non-canonical belief. Like the majority of the shipping articles. I hope this answers whatever you were trying to get across. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Well,I didn't meant to say it promotes anything,I meant to say it's inappropiate to be called homosexual pairings.On the other hand if they are male the pair could just be called... PokePals or Buddies,would sound more appropiate.And about Pokémon falling in love with humans,they fall for them as a pet for its master.Well,hope I didn't caused much trouble.

Thank you for your quick response. 20:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC) DJ Wolfy
:Then I'm not sure what you're getting at. 'Shipping is the belief of a ''romantic'' relationship, which means the term Palletshipping covers a homosexual pairing; to call it anything else is incorrect. Just because they are not a couple in canon doesn't make the belief of them a couple (thus "Palletshipping") any less gay. It's what it is. It's not a term for a friendship. ...And you might argue pet-to-master for Chikorita or Aipom, but most would agree that Latias was full-on in love with Ash (which is not the same thing as an adoring pet). And now I hope I've cleared up your inquiry. I'm sorry I misunderstod earlier. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 22:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Well,yes,but that may be because of Latias' possibility of gaining human shape,you can't really call it zoophilia or as it said in Pokéhistory "Evolution has come, separating humans from Pokémon, to create the first humans",meaning that humans and Pokémons ar from the same species "and one folk tale even says that there was a time when humans and Pokémon were considered one and the same".Well I still disagree with the homosexual pairing,and I say it again I'm not homophobic.I'm not against Shipping,I just wanted to clarify my confusion.Well that's it for now.Thank you for your help.
--'''DJWolfy'''. 15:15, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

== Bulbapedia Issues ==

I've been having a lot of issues with Bulbapedia since BW2 was announced. I've been getting a lot of 503s and I'm starting to get annoyed. What's going on and why are the 503s happening? [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 18:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
:It's due to the influx of users post-announcement. Seeing as they hit after big news, 503s are to be expected while more and more users access and view pages. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

== Shipping Splitshipping (Clay x Elesa) ==

I was told you were the person to come to for this.

I was sleep deprived when the paring popped into my head and upon looking it up i got Splitshippin, the "split" being Driftveil Drawbridge

reasons

''Elesa is a fashion model and would likely have rich tastes...and Clay is rich''

That's all i could come up with without knowing if she has daddy issues.

So should it be added to the list [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 01:08, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
:As much as I like Splitshipping personally, it's got only one interaction for a basis, and even then, all you could say at most about them canonically is "Clay trusts Elesa when it comes to trainers," but that's games only. That's not enough at all for it to have any sort of mention for it as an article or part of an article, though I'm hoping BW2 will shed more light on their relationship, if there is one.
:That said, looking at what you were talking about with KG, Splitshipping /is/ on the Shippers' List. It's just that the Shipper's List and the list of 'ships here aren't one and the same; the list on BP is '''only''' for 'ships that have their own articles or are mentioned in group articles. The only complete version of the Shippers' List is [http://shipping.bulbagarden.net/ here].[[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 10:46, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

:: Ok [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 15:05, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

== I've been having some problems ==
A user named Force Fire has been increasingly difficult for me today, he seems as if he is following me, undoing almost everyone of my edits. I'll put down an 'incomplete' template and he'll remove despite the sections being missing and he has also removed my featured articles nomination, implying my opinion to nominate the page, Brock's Steelix, are wrong despite it fitting the critera and that their has been no vote. I've tryed to speak with him on his talk page but he does not reply and in edit summaries he justifies his actions by saying he is a junior admin. I think he is an admin but I still feel hasseled and partially victimized

My other problem is actually nominating the page, never done it before and I'm not sure I'm doing it right [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 14:21, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
:Sorry ArcToraphim. 05308, you did not ask for the page to be nominated. Just because it fits the criteria doesn't you can go ahead and slap the FAC template on it, you have to ask first. I did reply on my talkpage, did you see it? I'm guessing you didn't. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:30, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

==Shippings==
Remember this is my point of view and no I'm not shipper, I like to create shippings.

Fireflowershipping= Chili/Cilan
Waterlilyshipping= Cress/Cilan

How do I rename? {{unsigned|Grabbergirl}}

== Trainers ==

I see you added some, and said they're south of Resort entrance... but can you screenshot them, please? That'll make the job easier, as I have no idea where is the entrance. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 08:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC) PS. Also, [http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg688/scaled.php?server=688&filename=trainer1e.png&res=landing these] are the trainers I found in that street (so far only six that can be battled). Well, I found a [http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg826/scaled.php?server=826&filename=bpkmnwh24322062.png&res=landing Backpacker]{{tt|*|Note about Policemen - I set PC clock to night, about 30 minutes to midnight... they should appear, but they didn't}} when going towards Desert Resort (near that road with trucks), but I don't count him, as he isn't on the street. Also, is it just me, or that Breeder will rechallenge if you quit area, reenter it and go to the Breeder {{tt|again|Her team is still Drilbur and Marill on the same levels... discovered this and accidentally evolved Swadloon... at Lv. 21. Never expected that. Well yeah, I lost some moves exclusive to Sewaddle... but not everything is perfect}}?
:I'm watching playthroughs, so I'm not in control of the action, and the only ones that seem to be up are Black 2. That said, whatever's in your screenshot, I've never seen before. Granted, I thought the policeman were only at night, but Danny and Nelson look like they're in daytime, so I could be wrong. [http://i50.tinypic.com/1jum3s.jpg This is what I mean.] You enter route 4 from Nimbasa and hang an immediate left-screen turn. At the end of that road, travel south and you run into another officer and the remaining trainers. Bonus officer Brian in the last screenshot, between the road and two fishermen. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:26, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
::I've never seen them... and it seems that instead of Officer, I have Backpacker. They're most likely exclusive to Black 2. Now only the matter of items left... [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 12:27, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

== Dark rustling grass. ==

Can you please say the name of place/route where you experienced (or saw someone experiencing) that? Dark rustling grass can be interesting. In some places just dark grass has different set of Pokémon, rustling grass {{p|Audino|always}} has some new Pokémon. That would be {{tt|nice to see|DOUBLE AUDINO ALL THE WAY!}}. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 16:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
:Haha, it was in Pinwheel Forest, by the Lass and Youngster west of the bridge. It was a double battle with an Audino and Pansage. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
::Were you tagging along with Cheren? I tagged along with Cheren when I first entered Pinwheel Forest and I encountered three rustling grass double battles (one with 2 Audino, another with a Audino and a Pansage, and the last one with a Audino and a Panpour). However they were in the plain grass, but they were double battles since I was with Cheren. Also last time I checked (which was yesterday for the Dark Grass) the only Dark Grass is east of the Bridge and not west. [[User:Lady Ariel|Lady Ariel]] ([[User talk:Lady Ariel|talk]]) 16:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
:::Ahhh, that might have been it. Hard to tell with the videos I'm using. yeah, we were with Cheren so I guess I mis-saw what the grass was. Pity; rustling dark grass would have been nice. But I thought there was dark grass in the south west? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

== Challenge mode ==

Serebii isn't a good source, but according to it, Challenge mode =/= post-game rematch, as you can turn off and on it whenever you want. [http://www.serebii.net/black2white2/assistchallengemode.shtml Click]{{tt|*|I have no idea why it says that Assist Mode is unlockable in White 2 and Challenge Mode is unlockable in Black 2, as other page about them on Serebii says that you need just to finish game [defeat the Champion], without saying that you needs to finish game on certain version. tl;dr = that other page says that you unlock both of modes upon finishing game, instead of the one as the LINKED page says}}. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
:That's not the problem. What we have as labeled on Iris' page is "normal mode" and "challenge mode", though this seems to be wrong because I just encountered a video labeled "challenge mode" that used the team of "normal mode" at elevated levels, so it doesn't seem post game at all. So the question is, IS in fact what we have labeled as normal and challenge really just "Initial battle" and "Rematch battle" (and if it is, do we even have the right levels for the second team)? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:31, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

== Plasma Frigate ==

Hey I am gallade98, a new user on bulbapedia.Nice to meet you. I was just asking if you can help me finish all the Plasma Frigate information.I think i have most of it done, i just need to make sure i have all of the items and trainers correct. Thanks in advance. :D

== Typhlosion ==
You said: "The use of English "typhoon" is correct., as "fuu" =/= "phoon"."
Going to need an explanation of your reasoning there. The English word "typhoon" has common roots with the Japanese word "taifuu" and they literally mean the same thing; the "phoon" is equivalent to the "fuu" (I tried to highlight this in the edit summary). Given that the kanji in "bakufuu" (which is on its own a visibly obvious source for the name) is exactly the same as that in "taifuu", such an origin would be redundant - you could just as well explain the name "bakufuun" as simply adding an "n" to the end of an existing word. If we look at the word "typhoon" on its own, all we would be getting is the "n" sound. That could just as well come from any other word with a similar sound (some candidates may be raccoon or dragoon, but there's no real limit here), or even be just an addition for the purpose of style, with no particular meaning behind it apart from making the name distinct from the real world. If "typhoon" is going to be included as part of the Japanese name origin, it should be properly explained and justified, or attributed to an official source. There is, on the balance of evidence, no reason whatsoever to think that the word "typhoon" is relevant to the name.[[User:Drivorobotnik|Drivorobotnik]] ([[User talk:Drivorobotnik|talk]]) 04:19, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
:But since only the katakana says 'bakufuun', you're looking at the name all wrong and why that section even exists. Since the official spelling is Bakphoon, the name origin is used to explain WHY it's intended to be spelled that way and not as 'Bakufuun' (which no one has to justify since it's ''not'' romanized in such a way and is not the intended spelling; it's simply the katakana that makes it up). If the official romanization had been Bakufuun, it would have then been likely suggested to be a corruption of 'bakufuu' and a combination of 'bakufuu' and 'taifuu', since 'Typhlosion' has to get its random 'typh' from ''somewhere''. A lot of name origins also rely on looking at all the other languages to see how they were gotten, since localizers use the root origins as inspirations for their own lingual names, so since the English name is a combination of 'typhoon' and 'explosion', and 'bakufuu' means 'blast', the typhoon in Typhlosion seems to come out of nowhere, except when you realize 'Bakphoon' has the same 'typhoon' word origin. And this isn't the first time a Japanese name has been spelled with a combination of Jp and Eng words. So no, there is no reason to explain the origin of the word 'typhoon' as possible 'taifuu' when 'taifuu' has ''nothing'' to do with the spelling 'phoon' and 'typhoon' possibly does. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:34, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
::It seems as though you've either misread or misunderstood. I'm not saying that "taifuu" is the origin of the Japanese name - simply that there's no need to consider an origin other than "bakufuu" as it is. The consideration that the "fuu" in "bakufuu" and the "phoon" in "typhoon" is peripheral support for this perspective - a repeated etymology makes little sense. Indeed if you look at the edit I made, I did not (and did not suggest) replacing "typhoon" with "taifuu", but rather, determined "typhoon" to not be necessary (and so neither "taifuu"). I feel that the English name is of little relevance here - although if we are to raise the point, and accept as true the premise you have presented (that English names are constructed to be distinct from, but linguistically similar to, Japanese names), then my aside may be considered, since, after all, that kanji which provides the "fuu" sound is a solid link between "typhoon" (for "Typhlosion") and "bakufuu" - but that is tangential at best. Rest assured that I am not "all wrong" - indeed I myself considered the listed romanisation, and am ready to admit that it would present a fatal flaw to my reasoning. Be that as it may, I cannot, try as I might, find any sort of reliable source for the romanisation "Bakphoon". Were such a source presented, I would be perfectly satisfied with the information currently listed - although I may make the suggestion that a more concrete policy on referencing is adopted and enforced so as to avoid such confusions.[[User:Drivorobotnik|Drivorobotnik]] ([[User talk:Drivorobotnik|talk]]) 17:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
:::Official romanizations of older Pokémon have been confirmed and known for ages, because they are very often used on merchandise. [http://www.webcitation.org/5rZSwnuie Here's the piece of merchandise Wikipedia cites]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
::::Having trouble qualifying that source. The Wikipedia page on Typhlosion specifically lists the name as "Bakufūn", and although the page that cites the image you shared does list "Bakphoon", the reference is to a Bandai product (which, from the look of things, seems to be an obscure collectible, from the look of them they may be from gashapon toys; I am unable to find mention of this set of cards, even on Bulbapedia). This raises the question of whether, in light of the franchise's ownership, third-party (albeit presumably licensed) products are a proper source of definitive canon names. Without verification of this, the best we might say is that, on this set of cards released by Bandai, the romanisation given to Typhlosion by Bandai would appear to be based on the word "typhoon" - that, to me, does not sound like any sort of concrete statement, as it lacks authentic support from an authoritative source of canon. On a side note, that particular image seems to write Buizel's name as "Booysel", not "Buoysel" (which is what has been used) - this should raise doubts about the suitability of a low-resolution image as a source.[[User:Drivorobotnik|Drivorobotnik]] ([[User talk:Drivorobotnik|talk]]) 01:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
:::::They are given the official romanizations. And yeah, it probably is an obscure piece of merchandise, but the fact that it and every other piece of merchandise with a romanization of the name on it use that romanization means that it is pretty obvious it is accurate. Merchandise is the primary use for official romanizations, so we should rely on it, especially when it is a major company like Bandai that makes a lot of it. Buizel's name is chopped off in the middle; it still says "Buoysel", the bottom of a "U" just looks the same as the bottom of an "O" in that font. And my point was not the content Wikipedia has, but their source; what is actually on Wikipedia is unreliable and irrelevant if unsourced (and even if sourced, it is the source that matters). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::I am somewhat confused; it seems as though none of Game Freak, Nintendo, or The Pokémon Company have used these romanisations in their products. Bandai is indeed a major company which releases a lot of merchandise, but they do not own the intellectual property behind the franchise. What that source seems to tell us (and what I acknowledged earlier) is that those particular Bandai products have been named like that - it does not, beyond allowing such a statement, seem authoritative. I would have strong reservations about regarding Bandai as any sort of official source for canon information. And, as you said, it is the source that matters. Could you perhaps explain the rationale here?[[User:Drivorobotnik|Drivorobotnik]] ([[User talk:Drivorobotnik|talk]]) 06:31, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

== Hmmm... ==

Luna, do you know {{u|Empressempoleon|this user}}? [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:ArcToraphim&action=history Because...] [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 15:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
:To answer, no I don't know the user (just had really good timing coming on to fix that article). Beyond that, I'm a little baffled? Could be any number of reasons it was done. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:12, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
::Okay, I asked because I wanted to confirm it before undoing it, the timing got me confused. Anyway, carry on. [[User:Adyniz|'''Adyniz''']] — [[User talk:Adyniz|'''Wanna talk?''']] 16:21, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm {{u|Empressempoleon|that user}}. I'm SO sorry! I'm still a little new around here, so I accidentally clicked something and got confused in all these different tabs of Bulbapedia editing. (I keep different tabs open so I can see all the tags and how to write the language while editing.)I am so sorry about that, and I tried to fix it as soon as I could. I won't do it again, I promise! Empress Empoleon 18:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

==ShootsDownShipping==

Hi again. Sorry to keep bothering you.
Anyways, ShootsDownShipping is the ship between [[Kenny]] and [[Zoey]], and it's actually grown quite popular as a side ship in Fan fiction. I know that Bulbapedia used to have a page, but then [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shipping:ShootsDownShipping]deleted it because of a lack of evidence; so I was wondering if I could make a new one. I believe that I can flesh it out. Empress Empoleon 18:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
:If you want to make a page of it, make it in your own userspace, flesh it out there, present it when you think it's done, and I'll see if it's worth ti to put in the shipspace. But if it doesn't have the evidence to support it, no amount of information on the page is likely going to make a difference. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:49, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

== Problem user ==

[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Pokemon_nomekop This user] is undoing various edits for no reason at all. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 23:09, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

== RE: Signature ==

Thanks, I will remove it. Sorry about that. --[[User:Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.|Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr.]] 17:06, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
==List of Conquest Abilities Page==
Do you think that page is good enough to be moved to the mainspace now? --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 21:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
:Now, it is. =) All moved. Good work, by the way. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 10:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

== [[Shipping:LuckyShipping]] ==

Can you undo those last two edits by [[user:Cutieblue369|Cutieblue369]]? All they did was remove lots of info, and in general, be completely unhelpfull.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 03:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
:Undo entirely, not necessarily. Some of the info deleted was fine to delete. Not all of it, though. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

== thanks for fixing my edit ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Mystery_Doors_of_the_Magical_Land_Series&curid=165897&diff=1780614&oldid=1780601

i forgot vaniluxes name and for some reason i thought it was vanillite [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 21:47, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
:Well it was my mistake to begin with, ^^; the one you were trying to fix. So it's okay. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

== A little help here, please? ==

I've just found some Pokédex info about SolarBeam in the anime. Could you please correct the red link on the template? --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:43, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
:Thank you! :) --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 19:58, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'm never doing that again. But you're welcome. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry if I bothered you. You were just the only administrator I found currently active. I regret if I disturbed you in the middle of something important. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 20:20, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
::::Oh, no no no. XD; Not what I mean. I'm not a fan of editing templates; it gives me panic attacks. And I'm pretty sure editing that template made the whole site hiccup and toss a hissy, so, yes. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

== Should there... ==
Should there be a shipping page about Ash and Casey? --[[User:Doggy567123|Doggy567123]] ([[User talk:Doggy567123|talk]]) 06:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
:Really sorry for the late reply. ''Should'' there be? Don't know. ''Could'' there be? Depends. If anyone think there ''should'' be an article on a 'ship, all that person has to do is draft a page up in their userspace and show it to me to judge. If there's not enough solid material on the characters, it's not accepted, and if there is, it is. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 14:22, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Also sorry for a VERY late reply. And how do I do that? --[[User:Doggy567123|Doggy567123]] ([[User talk:Doggy567123|talk]]) 17:21, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

== What was wrong with the trivia I added about Shedinja? ==

You removed my trivia and didn't really explain why. I know you said in the revision history of Phoeboe's page that " "Easy" or "hard" is subjective", and I know what you mean by that. But was there any reason you removed the trivia I made on the Shedinja page entirely? Just curious... [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 19:45, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:The trivia itself only has relevance to Phoebe and her team. It's not relevant to the Shedinja species as a whole, especially with the lack of an actual example (and even if their had been, it's still specific to Phoebe only) and therefore speculative (it was equally speculative on Phoebe's page [because of the guessing why; we don't guess in these cases], but the subjectivity was simpler to explain). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:10, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::Alright, I understand. By the way I'm glad to be back. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 21:17, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

== New Shipping ==

I'm making a proposal of a new Shipping, my first one, I don't watch episodes that frequently, but from what I heard, this pairing is very notable. However I can't find a name since all of them have such complicated name origins. What name would you give to a Shipping between Stephan and his Sawk? Do you think that it is notable to put on a page or put it [[List of anime shippings|here]]?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 19:21, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:It's called BuildUpshipping. That said, I don't believe it's notable enough to have its own page. Before putting it on Kenji's page, though, can you provide hints/evidence for it? There's little point creating a template for it and then leaving it empty. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:15, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
::I have points to consider:
*** In Sawk's debut, Stephan became eager to introduce it in his battle with Iris, during battle he showed to have teached Sawk to be immune to other Pokémon's Attraction (if you get what I'm saying), and he comforted him in the defeat.
*** In the Bell festival, Stephan chose him over Zebstrika. In the first round, Sawk refused to give his belt to Stephan, but in the end he gave anyway, in this one I think Sawk was just playing hard to get.
*** The Clubsplosion was entirely focused on Sawk and Stephan. They even hugged each other while smiling when they won.
::Well, my points are these, what do you think? BuildUpShipping, where did you get this name from? Can you write down the kana and kanji for this name?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 21:05, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:::The name was made up by a user; what the exact reason for choosing it was, though, I haven't the slightest, but I assume it's based off "to build up muscle/strength." The kana would ''likely'' be ケニダゲ, but I dunno if that would romanize as KeniDage or KenDage or KenyDage. That bit about Stephan training Sawk to be immune to Attract is out. You're going to need to explain point 2 much better, since what does the belt have to do with anything, and could it ''really'' be called "playing hard to get"? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

== A large recent edit to the RocketShipping page ==

Hello. There was a large edit made to the RocketShipping page recently. It has been reverted, but we were hoping you could look over it and see if any of it should be added back or revised. Here [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Shipping%3ARocketShipping&diff=1817865&oldid=1817851]] is a link to the differences between the additions and the revert. Thanks! [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 08:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*salute*</nowiki> Thank you, too. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 16:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

== Conquest Armies ==

With the template changes and such, the bottoms of them aren't showing up as rounded now. A heads up, if you know how to fix it. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:09, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
:They look rounded to me. No corners are sticking out the bottom. Nothing I'm doing is touching the "roundy" anyway. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 18:15, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
::Hm, perhaps it's a browser thing then, on Chrome I'm seeing [http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq156/DrakeClawfang/Dragnor_zps1a0657dc.png this]. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 18:52, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
:::On firefox, I'm seeing [http://i47.tinypic.com/246nw9t.png this]. However, the corners were there before I touched the tables; they vanish afterwards, so it's probably how the browsers render the coding. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 18:58, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
::::Hm, looks like it's still there on Firefox, the round on the bottom is different from the top, it's just not going outside the border. Not sure how to fix it though, I've no idea how the coding or templates for coding work here for rounded corners. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 19:00, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

== Did I misplace this? ==

I'm a little new to all of this, but I had a question regarding creating an article for a certain shipping, and I'm not sure if I put it in the right place. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bulbapedia_talk:Project_Shipping#No_article_for_CrystalShipping_yet.3F I go into detail here.]

[[User:Magenta Fantasies|Magenta Fantasies]] ([[User talk:Magenta Fantasies|talk]]) 23:21, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
:[[Bulbapedia:Project Shipping/To-do list|Here]] might have been a better place, but I answered, so~ [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Here is what I have so far for an article (for manga CrystalShipping): http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Magenta_Fantasies/CrystalShipping
What do you think?
[[User:Magenta Fantasies|Magenta Fantasies]] ([[User talk:Magenta Fantasies|talk]]) 01:50, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
:Well, I have to question: how is it a hint Eusine "takes Crystal's place" on the orphanage trip? Did Eusine drop the autographed card on purpose, or was it an accident (as to have pre-signed photo isn't uncommon among those who thing of themselves as super famous or whatever)? How does she worry about him in round 129? (Also, made some small edits.) Not a bad start, though. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:32, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

With the "taking Crystal's place on the orphanage trip" Eusine went out of his way to do something nice for her I assumed that he dropped the card on purpose, since Eusine asks Crystal her name, but he doesn't give her his (if you don't think these are good enough hints, I'm okay if you remove it). Maybe "worries" isn't the right word, it's more like she looks at the walkie-talkie doll Eusine gave her and thinks about him.

I really hope this isn't a rude question, but could this be made into an actual article at some point? Rather, how do I go about doing this? I bet other people would have shipping hints to contribute to this page, and I've seen many shipping pages with less hints than this (also, Crystal and Eusine appear together for a relatively short amount of time compared to many other manga-related shippings).
[[User:Magenta Fantasies|Magenta Fantasies]] ([[User talk:Magenta Fantasies|talk]]) 04:54, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
:The articles you're likely thinking of are in the process of being moved and also didn't start as userspace articles; some where just quick and dirty creations left to rot, as it were. So while yes, it can and will be moved, I'd just rather it be a little fleshed out before moving it, that's all.
:Context is important. Vague wording can make anything sound like a hint, so in cases of people who don't have the manga or anime or game right out in the open for them, context explains the situation. Did Eusine think of doing something nice for Crystal by taking her place, or was it circumstantial that his choice to take her place just happens to be something nice? It's why some "evidence" on other articles comes with notes on how to interpret an action. So if context on the thinking-about-him bit and the orphanage can be expanded further on as to why it would be a hint, we'll see about keeping it. I'm still iffy on the card thing, but I'll think on it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 13:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
==Puzzle Village==
Doesn't this mean that we should put [[Puzzle Village]] on the [[Special:WantedPages|list of wanted pages]]? [[User:TheShinyRoggenrola|TheShinyRoggenrola]] ([[User talk:TheShinyRoggenrola|talk]]) 20:00, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
:It's already there by default, because it's a red link. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 20:20, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
::I noticed that you previously deleted the [[Puzzle Village]] page but still put the red link back into the article. Was it just a badly written page? If so, I think I can make a decent one given a day or two. [[User:Aggron989|''AGG'']][[User talk:Aggron989|''RON'']][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|''989'']] 21:10, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes, the original attempt at making the Puzzle Village article was 'badly written' (it was a single line of text and a picture). So if you want to remake it, that would be fine. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:27, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
::::I'll definitely make the article, but I probably won't finish it today. [[User:Aggron989|''AGG'']][[User talk:Aggron989|''RON'']][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|''989'']] 21:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

== Mudkipz ==

Have you looked at the picture? How is the head fin not color light-blue? And how is the tail fin light-blue? And where should I put the flexibility part?[[User:Gelato Gelato|Gelato Gelato]] ([[User talk:Gelato Gelato|talk]]) 11:37, 7 April 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato
:If you read the physiology, it cites Mudkip as "blue"—which is is—and if its body is blue, and its head fin is the ''same exact color'' as the body, its head fin must also be "blue." Now its underside is cited as "light-blue"—which it is—and if its underside is light-blue and its tail is the ''same exact color'' as the underside, its tail fin must also be "light-blue." Furthermore, if the body is blue, and the underside is of a lighter shade, why would the underside '''not''' be called light-blue in comparison to the body's darker shade of blue? (So I don't even know where you're looking; its head fin is the farthest thing from being called "light-blue" when its body [including its head fin] is basically the same shade as Swampert's, which is also not "light-blue".)
:And the flexibility is a non-issue. It's a tail and tails move; calling it a tail fin is enough to imply flexibility. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 12:20, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

== Undone Edits ==

You undid my edits to the number disimbigs saying that "it IS only regional pokemon mentioned", however, it mentions for every Pokémon that they are the number in a specific regional Pokédex, and if applicable National, so it ISN'T just regional Pokédex mentioned. -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 14:08, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
:Before changing it, you may want to bring it up with someone higher up, since [[regional Pokédex]] is actually more relevant to the numbers themselves as opposed to [[Pokédex]] (mention of the National dex number or not). 01:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
::So one of the Bureaucrats? -[[User:IVsaur|EVsandIVsaurs]] 14:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

== ? ==
Is there any reason for telling me off for editing [[User:Grabbergirl/DiningcarShipping|this page]]? Even better, is there any reason for removing several templates and categories from said page even though I didn't add some of those? --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 18:39, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

EDIT: Re-reading your comment, it appears that you, the user who created that page, and the other person who edited the page earlier are the only people allowed to edit that page.
:Because it's a personal page. As in, it's never going to be namespaced. So '''no one''' should be editing it. And because it'll never be namespaced, it should not have categories or those templates. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:14, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Running with your argument again, [[User:Grabbergirl/IwazaruShipping|this page by the same person]] will never be mainspaced, but yet has categories + templates. Heck. Even one of [[User:Relicant/User Wants|my pages]] has cats yet will most likely never be mainspaced. Also, '''IF''' nobody but the author who created the page is meant to be touching a page in the user namespace, then articles [[User:Vuvuzela2010/Sprite Errors|such as this one]] shouldn't be edited by anyone other the the author. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 19:22, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:That last page you listed says directly at the top that anyone may edit the page. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 19:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Yess, I know that. But this person stated that NOBODY but the page author should be able to edit pages in their user namespace zone. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 19:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:Please read the [[Bulbapedia:Userspace policy]] for more information on WHY you're not allowed to edit userspace articles. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I read the policy. I'm not stupid. But eh, I don't care much for rules anyway. I think my edits were pretty much justified. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 19:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
:And all I asked was that you don't edit it. It's not your page, you don't have permission, and you claim to have read the policy, but thought you could refute my statement by arguing against what you possibly already knew? Or did you read the policy ''after'' I mentioned it's not in your right to edit it? ...And mind, if you don't care for rules, you won't then be surprised if you fine yourself eventually banned some time down the line (temped or perma'd). Just saying (not a threat; just stating a fact). [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 19:46, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

None of my edits so far have broken any rules, so I'm safe. Also please don't try to continue this argument because I honestly don't care anymore. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 19:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== About [[Clair]]'s Druddigon ==
We all know that it's going to appear in the anime, so what's wrong with adding it to the page?? When it does appear, just change the picture. [[User:Raykyogrou0|Raykyogrou0]] ''([[User talk:Raykyogrou0|Talk]])'' 09:51, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
:Policy in this instance is to wait for the episode to premiere; that's just how it's done, even when we know what a major character will have. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 10:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

== gender due to name ==

If a nickname of a Pokémon does not determine the gender, what about some of the other pages such as [[Dr. Abby#Johnny|these]] [[Orville|two]] as their gender was listed/determined due to nickname? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 21:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:Meg is part of a pair of nicknamed pokémon, not a solo act, and those nicknames are derived from the species, not the gender. It's definitely meant to be a close-sounding name to Mag, like [[Bailey|Belle and Bella]] or [[Brittany (Johto)|Gigglybiff and Gigglybuff]], and very likely ''not'' reflective at all of any gender; that's getting into a really grey area of assumption. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 21:31, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
::I see now, Meg and Mag. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 22:03, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

== About Kenshin and Shingen's default Pokémon ==

The reason I had placed the notes on their default Pokémon saying only in the other's story is because they don't have a default in their own story, seeing as they are controlled by the player, and both join the player during the Legend of Ransei. In hindsight, I see one circumstance where they could have default Pokémon in their own story, and that is if the player does not deploy them at all in the Legend of Ransei, causing them to never be officially registered in the gallery. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 00:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
:And that's why I note "regardless of one's gallery." You may as well go around notating on all the characters saying "Only in this story, this story, etc, etc" for every story in the group of stories they belong to except their own. But that would be a lie for the very circumstance you just pointed out.
:If Kenshin has a Gallade in Shingen's story, then that's what he would have in his own story if he was never registered in the player's Gallery, ''because'' it's default in Shingen's. Nene will always have a Croagunk in every Ninja story, even possibly her own as long as she's not in the Gallery, because it's true for the rest. Defaults don't change outside story blocks. Which is why the note is unnecessary. It's not "that story only;" it's his default!default for both. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 00:34, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, I understand that. My reasoning had been, and I will state it again, that Kenshin and Shingen are ''guaranteed'' to join the player's army in the Legend of Ransei. However, when making that edit, I did not take into account that they actually need to be sent ''into'' battle to be registered, which was a mistake on my part. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 00:46, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

== Totodile and Typhlosion ==

I need your opinion on [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash%27s_Totodile#Known_or_unknown_gender these] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Jimmy%27s_Typhlosion#Gender two] topics since there hasn't been a response to those lately and you're the expert with the genders and shipping. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 03:36, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
:That's really an area for Kenji-girl's call. Romance doesn't have much to do with it (since even Ludicolo is unknown and it had the "stint" with Mawile), and I wouldn't call a gender without actually using gendered words. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 11:43, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
::I do agree with you about romance not being gender worthy. Not to mention that there was Misha's Purrloin and most recently, Jamie McGonnigal's wedding. Yes, I will talk to Kenji-girl about this. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 14:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

== Spewpa ==

On several versions of the official site, Vivillon is confirmed to evolve from a Pokémon called Spewpa. [http://www.pokemonxy.com/es-es/pokemon/other_pokemon/] --[[User:S2daam|--samm :)]] ([[User talk:S2daam|talk]]) 15:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:Yep, I found it. =) Nice. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:26, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

==Global Project==
why you undid ,my edit? of flag--[[User:Viv|Viv]] ([[User talk:Viv|talk]]) 15:27, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:Because the page on South Asia covers multiple countries and no one flag should be used to denote it. I'm pretty sure it was left without a flag to begin with for that reason. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 15:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

== Lolipop song in eyecatch ==

For some reason I thought you might know this, or know who would know it. Anyways...so I've been watching Pokémon smash via stream for the last few weeks, and a Eyecatch keeps showing up with the 1958 song Lolipop playing. It doesn't seem to be the original US version, and all google searches result in Lolipop Chainsaw, or AMVs that have a different song titled lolipop in them

So my question is if you know the answer, is what group sings the Lolipop song for the eyecatches seen during Pokémon Smash? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:50, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
:Ah, nope. I don't watch Smash, and I don't know who does. Sorry. =( [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 03:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

== Ghost (type) trivia rewording + Nixtorm reversion ==

The Ghost (type) article has been protected, so I write here instead of rewording your rewording of the trivia point I submitted regarding Pokémon Conquest movement. This may also be better, as I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your rewording, which went (links removed): "''although they do not fly or levitate, which allows further freedom of movement.''" → "''regardless of typing or Ability, which allows further freedom of movement.''" Could you explain it, or maybe explain your interpretation of my initial submission? Also, regarding your June 6, 2013 revision of the Nixtorm article, did you test the additional requisites you added? It is effectively a reversion of my February 7, 2013 revision. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 07:19, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
:Your wording was poor grammar to the overall idea; if you think otherwise, please explain what you mean yourself and not ask me my interpretation. I knew what you were talking about since I've seen an obstructed Litwick walk right through an enemy to appear behind it, but otherwise your wording is confusing.
:Since Duskull, the Misdreavus family, the Gastly family, and the Drifloon family all have a type (Flying) or Ability (Levitate) that will make them hop over the enemy instead of physically passing through them, it's fair to eliminate those as factors as to why a Ghost type might be getting around an enemy (which leaves Froslass, Spiritomb, the Litwick family, and the remaining Duskull family as examples of those that pass through enemies).
:"although they do not fly or levitate" implies none of the ghost-type are possible of these things, which isn't true as mentioned above, so saying regardless of type of Ability makes it clear that even without Levitate or the flying type, they can get around enemies naturally with little hindrance. But it could probably use a modifier. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 12:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
::The main text, which ends with "''...a knight in chess)''" and remains unaltered, explains the topic movement property of Ghost-type Pokémon. The additional information, which is what you've reworded and what we're discussing, is meant to serve as a disclaimer, stating that Flying types and Pokémon with Levitate also have this property, along with further movement properties, thus making them different (along with the animation discrepancy you're describing). While the wording of my initial submission did not make this very clear at all, I believe the point is completely absent after your rewording (possibly due to you misinterpreting my vague wording); to me, the additional information now reads "Ghost types have this property regardless of types or Abilities. This property allows them further freedom of movement." Also, I endorse the rewording to prevent confusion (main part of your response), but I don't see the point in going general ("types and Abilities"), when it only concerns one type and one Ability; the only Pokémon other than Ghost types that have this knight-like property are Flying types and Pokémon with Levitate. Thank you for correcting your mistake at the Nixtorm article. [[User:Yvnr|Yvnr]] ([[User talk:Yvnr|talk]]) 17:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Half the Ghost types in Conquest either have Levitate or are part Flying, meaning that should be accounted for and not implied to be otherwise, or else discounted straight out; I think either works. However, Ghost types aren't the only type with a special advantage (fire types can cross fire, water types water, ice types won't slip on ice, poison types aren't harms by poison pools; Flying types and Levitators have full access to any free square in their range regardless of obstacles, sacrificing physical touch to the ground [which has advantages and disadvantages]), and that's where your own point gets lost.
:::So if you forget about the second half for a minute, I need to ask: is the focus of this trivia about their ability, or is the focus on that the Ghost type's ability is comparable to a chess piece? Because if it's the latter, it should include "regardless of type," since it's the truth to the whole, and if it's the former, do understand the chess piece reference would (and should likely) be cut because it's detracting from the point of the ability, but without the chess piece reference it's not a special trait without outside explanation (otherwise all other type pages would have to mention every advantage their typing has on certain fields, and passing over or through an enemy isn't that different from crossing over [or even sitting on] a magma pit, since on a chess board, the other color is the only obstacle your pieces have).
:::I got the latter from you. If it's the former, let's call it what it is, since ultimately the reference to Knights isn't unique to Ghosts alone. "Ghost-type Pokémon which are not part-Flying or have Levitate are capable of physically passing through enemies, referencing the common belief ghosts in real life can pass through tangible objects. They cannot, however, in-game pass through with any other obstacle on the field." [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:08, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
::::And I apologize this reply took so long. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 17:09, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Team Rocket (TCG)

2013-07-13T23:11:42Z

TJF: Undo revision 1934304 by ArcToraphim (talk) No reason cited for undoing my changes.

{{ExpansionPrevNext | prev=Base Set 2 | next=Gym Heroes}}
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|setname=Team Rocket
|jasetname=ロケット団
|transsetname=Rocket Team
|setlogo=TeamRocketLogo.png
|jasetnum=4
|ensetnum=5
|jacards=65
|encards=83
|enrelease=April 24, 2000
|jarelease=November 21, 1997
|deck1={{TCG|Devastation}}
|deck1type={{ene|Grass}}{{ene|Water}}
|deck2={{TCG|Trouble}}
|deck2type={{ene|Grass}}{{ene|Psychic}}
|prevset=Base Set 2|japrevset=Fossil|japrevsetname=The Mystery of the Fossils
|nextset=Gym Heroes|janextset=Gym Heroes|janextsetname=Gym Booster 1
}}
'''Team Rocket''' (Japanese: '''ロケット団''' ''Rocket Team'') is the name given to an expansion of the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]]. As its name implies, it was themed around the exploits of [[Team Rocket]].

==Information==
*This was the first set released by [[Wizards of the Coast]] to include a "{{TCG|secret card}}", that is, a card whose number is larger than the set number, as well as a card created by Wizards themselves - Dark Raichu. Dark Raichu would not see a Japanese version until {{TCG|Neo Discovery|Neo 2}}.
*The release of this set in North America was stalled considerably, as it was six months between when Fossil and Team Rocket were released. This mostly had to do with Wizards trying to get approval from Nintendo to make Dark Raichu; Nintendo was holding out and Wizards couldn't get the set released without Dark Raichu.
*Similarly, this set was the first set to include the Japanese version of a "{{TCG|secret card}}" with the "Super Rare" rarity (signified by a white star), which was the {{TCG|Here Comes Team Rocket!}} Trainer card.
*This was the first set to feature {{TCG|Dark Pokémon}}. For its North American release, the "Dark" prefix was chosen versus the originally translated prefix, "Bad", and the potentially touchy prefix, "Evil".
*Wizards of the Coast released a strategy guide for this expansion: {{TCG|Team Rocket Strategy Guide}}.

==Theme decks==
*{{TCG|Devastation}}
*{{TCG|Trouble}}

==Card lists==
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{{Setlist/entry|1/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Alakazam|1}}|Psychic||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|2/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Arbok|2}}|Grass||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|3/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Blastoise|3}}|Water||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|4/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Charizard|4}}|Fire||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|5/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Dragonite|5}}|Colorless||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|6/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Dugtrio|6}}|Fighting||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|7/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Golbat|7}}|Grass||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|8/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Gyarados|8}}|Water||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|9/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Hypno|9}}|Psychic||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|10/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Machamp|10}}|Fighting||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|11/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Magneton|11}}|Lightning||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|12/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|12}}|Psychic||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|13/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Vileplume|13}}|Grass||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|14/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Weezing|14}}|Grass||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|15/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Here Comes Team Rocket!|15}}|Trainer||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|16/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Rocket's Sneak Attack|16}}|Trainer||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|17/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Rainbow Energy|17}}|Energy|Rainbow|Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|18/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Alakazam|18}}|Psychic||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|19/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Arbok|19}}|Grass||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|20/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Blastoise|20}}|Water||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|21/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Charizard|21}}|Fire||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|22/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Dragonite|22}}|Colorless||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|23/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Dugtrio|23}}|Fighting||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|24/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Golbat|24}}|Grass||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|25/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Gyarados|25}}|Water||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|26/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Hypno|26}}|Psychic||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|27/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Machamp|27}}|Fighting||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|28/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Magneton|28}}|Lightning||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|29/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Slowbro|29}}|Psychic||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|30/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Vileplume|30}}|Grass||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|31/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Weezing|31}}|Grass||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|32/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Charmeleon|32}}|Fire||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|33/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Dragonair|33}}|Colorless||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|34/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Electrode|34}}|Lightning||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|35/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Flareon|35}}|Fire||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|36/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Gloom|36}}|Grass||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|37/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Golduck|37}}|Water||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|38/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Jolteon|38}}|Lightning||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|39/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Kadabra|39}}|Psychic||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|40/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Machoke|40}}|Fighting||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|41/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Muk|41}}|Grass||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|42/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Persian|42}}|Colorless||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|43/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Primeape|43}}|Fighting||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|44/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Rapidash|44}}|Fire||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|45/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Vaporeon|45}}|Water||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|46/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Wartortle|46}}|Water||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|47/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Magikarp|47}}|Water||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|48/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Porygon|48}}|Colorless||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|49/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Abra|49}}|Psychic||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|50/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Charmander|50}}|Fire||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|51/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Raticate|51}}|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|52/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Diglett|52}}|Fighting||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|53/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dratini|53}}|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|54/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Drowzee|54}}|Psychic||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|55/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Eevee|55}}|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|56/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Ekans|56}}|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|57/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Grimer|57}}|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|58/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Koffing|58}}|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|59/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Machop|59}}|Fighting||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|60/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Magnemite|60}}|Lightning||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|61/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Mankey|61}}|Fighting||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|62/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Meowth|62}}|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|63/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Oddish|63}}|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|64/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Ponyta|64}}|Fire||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|65/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Psyduck|65}}|Water||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|66/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Rattata|66}}|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|67/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Slowpoke|67}}|Psychic||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|68/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Squirtle|68}}|Water||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|69/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Voltorb|69}}|Lightning||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|70/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Zubat|70}}|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|71/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Here Comes Team Rocket!|71}}|Trainer||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|72/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Rocket's Sneak Attack|72}}|Trainer||Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|73/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|The Boss's Way|73}}|Trainer||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|74/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Challenge!|74}}|Trainer||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|75/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Digger|75}}|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|76/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Imposter Oak's Revenge|76}}|Trainer||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|77/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Nightly Garbage Run|77}}|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|78/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Goop Gas Attack|78}}|Trainer||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|79/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Sleep!|79}}|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|80/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Rainbow Energy|80}}|Energy|Rainbow|Rare|}}
{{Setlist/entry|81/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Full Heal Energy|81}}|Energy|Colorless|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|82/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Potion Energy|82}}|Energy|Colorless|Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|83/82|{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Dark Raichu|83}}|Lightning||Rare Holo|}}
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{{Setlist/header|title=Rocket Team|tablecol=525252|bordercol=932B2B|cellcol=D91329|rarity=yes|symbol=yes|image=SetSymbolTeam Rocket.png}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Ekans|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Arbok|Grass||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Zubat|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Golbat|Grass||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Oddish|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Gloom|Grass||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Vileplume|Grass||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Grimer|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Muk|Grass||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Koffing|Grass||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Weezing|Grass||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Charmander|Fire||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Charmeleon|Fire||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Charizard|Fire||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Ponyta|Fire||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Rapidash|Fire||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Flareon|Fire||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Squirtle|Water||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Wartortle|Water||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Blastoise|Water||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Psyduck|Water||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Golduck|Water||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Magikarp|Water||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Gyarados|Water||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Vaporeon|Water||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Magnemite|Lightning||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Magneton|Lightning||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Voltorb|Lightning||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Electrode|Lightning||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Jolteon|Lightning||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Abra|Psychic||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Kadabra|Psychic||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Alakazam|Psychic||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Slowpoke|Psychic||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Slowbro|Psychic||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Drowzee|Psychic||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Hypno|Psychic||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Diglett|Fighting||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Dugtrio|Fighting||Rare Holo|}}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Mankey|Fighting||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Primeape|Fighting||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Machop|Fighting||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Machoke|Fighting||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Machamp|Fighting||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Rattata|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Raticate|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Meowth|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Persian|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Eevee|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Porygon|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dratini|Colorless||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Dragonair|Colorless||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Dark Dragonite|Colorless||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Sleep!|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Digger|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Goop Gas Attack|Trainer||Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Nightly Garbage Run|Trainer|Rocket's Secret Machine|Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Challenge!|Trainer||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Imposter Oak's Revenge|Trainer||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|The Boss's Way|Trainer||Uncommon|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Rocket's Sneak Attack|Trainer||Rare Holo|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Potion Energy|Energy|Colorless|Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Full Heal Energy|Energy|Colorless|Common|}}
{{Setlist/entry|None|Rainbow Energy|Energy|Rainbow|Rare Holo|}}
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==Gallery==
===Japanese===
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File:Japanese Team Rocket Booster.jpg|Japanese booster pack
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===English===
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File:Team Rocket box.jpg|English booster box
File:Team Rocket Giovanni pack.jpg|English booster pack ([[Giovanni]])
File:Team Rocket Gyarados pack.jpg|English booster pack ({{p|Gyarados}})
File:Team Rocket Jessie James pack.jpg|English booster pack ([[Jessie]] and [[James]])
File:Team Rocket pack.jpg|English booster pack, featuring all 3 pictures from the other packs
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==Trivia==
*In addition to being the set that released the first secret card, it was also the set that featured the first holofoil {{TCG|Trainer card}} and {{TCG|Energy card}}s—all previous holofoils had been {{TCG|Pokémon}}.

==External links==
* [http://www.flickr.com/photos/48126812@N02/sets/72157625446089197/ Detailed booster box images]
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Team Plasma

2013-07-13T23:06:05Z

TJF: "Plasma Gang" → "Plasma Team", as 団 hardly means "Gang", it just means a group/team/organization/company.

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{{Team Infobox
|teamname=Team Plasma
|jpteamname=プラズマ団
|tmteamname=Plasma-dan
|logo=Plasma-logo.png
|image=Black 2 White 2 Team Plasma Grunts.png
|size=200px
|caption=Artwork of Team Plasma Grunts from Black 2 and White 2
|leader=[[N]]{{sup/5|BW}}, [[Colress]]{{sup/5|B2W2}}, [[Ghetsis]]{{sup/5|B2W2}}
|region=[[Unova]]
|admins=[[Seven Sages]], [[Zinzolin]], [[Shadow Triad]]
|targets=[[Dreamyard]], [[Nacrene City]], [[Liberty Garden]], [[Cold Storage]], [[Chargestone Cave]], [[Dragonspiral Tower]], [[Relic Castle]], [[Opelucid City]], [[Giant Chasm]]
|hideout=[[N's Castle]]{{sup/5|BW}}, [[Plasma Frigate]]{{sup/5|B2W2}}, [[P2 Laboratory]]
|border color={{black color dark}}
|background color={{white color light}}
|lightened color=999999
}}
'''Team Plasma''' (Japanese: '''プラズマ{{tt|団|だん}}''' ''Plasma-dan'', literally ''Plasma Team'') is the [[villainous team]] in [[Unova]].

==In the games==
===In Black and White===
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[[File:Black White Team Plasma Grunts.png|thumb|left|Artwork of Team Plasma Grunts from Black and White]]
Team Plasma is met early in the games. [[Ghetsis]] appears in [[Accumula Town]] where he is holding a rally trying to get people to join Team Plasma's cause. Following this rally the {{player}} will be approached and battled by a person named [[N]]. After this, the player will next come across two {{tc|Team Plasma Grunt}}s at the [[Dreamyard]] who are trying to capture a {{p|Munna}} in order to get some [[Dream Mist]] to spread their message in people's dreams. After defeating them here they will steal a young girl's Pokémon and hide in the [[Wellspring Cave]]. The player will team up with [[Cheren]] and save the Pokémon.

After defeating [[Lenora]] at the [[Nacrene Gym]], Team Plasma will attack the museum in [[Nacrene City]] and steal a bone from the Dragon Fossil. As the player gives chase, N will appear again and battle the player. After this, the player heads into [[Pinwheel Forest]] where they will defeat the Team Plasma Grunts, causing [[Gorm]] to return the Dragon Skull to player, which he or she then immediately gives to [[Lenora]]. The next encounter is in [[Castelia City]] where they have stolen [[Bianca]]'s Munna. After confronting them, they will give Munna back.

After entering [[Nimbasa City]], the player will find two Grunts harassing an old man. After defeating them, they will run off. After heading over to the Ferris wheel, N will appear again. N and the player will take a ride on the Ferris wheel where N will reveal that he is the leader of Team Plasma. The two will then battle after getting off the Ferris wheel. The next encounter will be in [[Driftveil City]]. Cheren will appear and say that Team Plasma has been seen in the city. [[Zinzolin]] and some Grunts are at the [[Cold Storage]] plotting something. [[Clay]], the [[Driftveil Gym]] [[Gym Leader|Leader]] appears and chases them off.

Later, as the player journeys through the [[Chargestone Cave]], the [[Shadow Triad]] appears and takes the player to N and the two will battle again. After being defeated, they will leave. N is then briefly encountered outside the [[Mistralton Gym]] where he tests the friendship between the player and their current lead Pokémon. After defeating [[Brycen]] at the [[Icirrus Gym]], Team Plasma appears at [[Dragonspiral Tower]] where N awakens {{p|Zekrom}}{{sup/5|B}} or {{p|Reshiram}}{{sup/5|W}}. After a brief talk with the player, N flies off. [[Alder]], who has also witnessed these events, advises everyone to go to [[Relic Castle]] where they run into Ghetsis who tells them it is pointless to continue resisting them and leaves. Ghetsis will then confront the player on the [[Tubeline Bridge]] and tell them that even though they have the Light/Dark Stone Team Plasma will achieve its goal. Soon after the player will witness Ghetsis giving another speech in [[Opelucid City]].

After defeating the [[Elite Four]], the player will head to the Champion's room where they will see N after he has defeated Alder. N will then reveal his castle, which rises out of the ground and attaches to the {{un|Pokémon League}} building. The player then chases N into the castle where the Seven Sages try to stop him/her. The Unova [[Gym Leader]]s then appear to keep the sages busy while the player searches the castle. [[Anthea and Concordia|Two women]] who claim to be goddesses and the Shadow Triad will then lead the player to N. Before anything can happen, {{p|Zekrom}}{{sup/5|W}} or {{p|Reshiram}}{{sup/5|B}} will appear and the player will have to capture the dragon. The player and N will then have one final battle, with the player proving victorious. Ghetsis arrives and is furious at N and says that he was just working behind the scenes on his true goal of ruling Unova as the only one with Pokémon. He will then challenge the player in rage.

After the player defeats Ghetsis, Cheren and Alder take him away while N tells the player he will continue on with his goal but will do it the right way. After the credits roll, [[Looker]] will appear at the player's house and request their help in finding and capturing the other sages of Team Plasma. Each sage will tell some back history on Team Plasma before being arrested. The Shadow Triad will also appear at [[Marvelous Bridge]] where they will give the player the {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Adamant Orb|Adamant}}, {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Lustrous Orb|Lustrous}}, and {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Griseous Orb|Griseous Orb}}s. They also reveal that they rescued Ghetsis from being arrested and he has now fled.

Before the sage [[Ryoku]] is arrested at [[Relic Castle]], he says that he was planning to catch the Pokémon {{p|Volcarona}} and give it to Ghetsis, but no one knows his and N's whereabouts, and that no one even knows if they are really parent and child. Once all the sages are arrested, [[Looker]] says that he heard N was seen in a distant land with a Dragon Pokémon.

Some Team Plasma Grunts will also appear during the [[Liberty Pass]] event where they will take over [[Liberty Garden]] and try to capture {{p|Victini}}.

{{p|Genesect}} was going to be revived from a [[Fossil]] and powered up by Team Plasma to create the most powerful Pokémon ever, but the project was abandoned because [[N]] felt that any Pokémon modified by science had lost its pureness. However, one scientist kept working on it, annoyed that N denied his talent. This scientist reconstructed Genesect and powered up the gun on its back.

As a part of [[Ghetsis]]'s plan, Team Plasma had set up a laboratory in [[N's Castle]] which was used to attack and break the security around [[Amanita]]'s [[Pokémon Storage System]] and gain master access to it with the intention of releasing every Pokémon that was stored there. Team Plasma had everything ready to begin releasing Pokémon, but this plan would only be carried out on N's command; since N, Ghetsis, and Team Plasma were ultimately defeated by the player, the plan was never executed.

===In Black 2 and White 2===
In Pokémon Black 2 and White 2, Team Plasma is broken into two different forces, one force that is still loyal to N and retains the same purpose and another force that is loyal to Ghetsis and serves a new purpose: to take over Unova.

The current Team Plasma first appears at [[Floccesy Ranch]] where they steal a {{p|Herdier}}. After being stopped they head to [[Virbank City]] where they attempt to steal the player and [[Hugh]]'s Pokémon. After fending them off, Hugh believes they have retreated to Castelia City, where they are found in [[Castelia Sewers]]. [[Colress]] also appears in the Castelia City where he mentions he is researching how to draw out the most strength from Pokémon. After defeating [[Burgh]] at the [[Castelia Gym]] Colress will use a special machine to clear the {{p|Crustle}} blocking off {{rt|4|Unova}}.

In [[Nimbasa City]] Team Plasma is seen where they are confronted by Hugh who demands answers about a Pokémon kidnapping in [[Aspertia City]] from them. After competing in the [[Pokémon World Tournament]], the player, Hugh, and [[Cheren]] confront Team Plasma on their [[Plasma Frigate|ship]] which has docked at the PWT. There [[Zinzolin]] appears and reveals they have a new plan to take over the Unova region before telling the Shadow Triad to remove the trio from the ship. After winning at the [[Mistralton Gym]], [[Professor Juniper]] sends the player to [[Opelucid City]] to find out more information about the Legendary Dragon Pokémon from [[Drayden]]. On the way, they and Hugh encounter Zinzolin in [[Lacunosa Town]] where they battle him and a Grunt in a tag battle.

Following the player's victory at the [[Opelucid Gym]], Team Plasma begin their operation by covering Opelucid City and nearby routes with ice in search of Drayden's {{key|V|DNA Splicers}}. They are quickly defeated and retreat to the [[Seaside Cave]], although Opelucid City remains frozen for some time. After winning at the [[Humilau Gym]] the player heads to {{rt|22|Unova}} where Colress gives them his device to make the Crustle roadblocks disappear. Upon making it past the Crustle, the player defeats the Team Plasma members inside, but once again is removed from the ship by the Shadow Triad and watches the ship fly off.

They track it down to the [[Giant Chasm]] where once again they must fight their way through the ship. Upon the defeat of Zinzolin and the new boss Colress, Ghetsis reveals himself as the true mastermind behind Team Plasma. He reveals he never intended to liberate Pokémon two years ago; It was just a ploy to get N to follow his plans. After defeating the Shadow Triad, the player gives chase to Ghetsis and find him in the deepest part of the Giant Chasm where he summons {{p|Kyurem}}. Ghetsis orders Kyurem to attack the player, but the attack is stopped at last minute by N who arrives to save them. Ghetsis is not surprised by this, who then uses the stolen DNA Splicers to merge Kyurem with N's Dragon. The Player then takes on the new Dragon as well as Ghetsis and put an end to his plans once and for all. Colress then disbands Team Plasma for good, taking the Plasma Frigate and docking it outside the P2 Laboratory where he continues his research.

There is also a group of disbanded Team Plasma members, still loyal to N, who reside in the house just above [[Driftveil Gym]] with [[Rood]], [[Anthea and Concordia]]. Ashamed of their past deeds, they've vowed to make amends by taking in abandoned and abused Pokémon and finding kind and caring trainers for them. They openly welcome the {{player}} into joining their cause to help stop Ghetsis, and to help take care of the abandoned Pokémon. As such, Rood gives the player N's {{p|Zorua}}, deeming them a caring trainer. They also confront the new Team Plasma at the Giant Chasm and help hold them off so the player can enter the Plasma Frigate. The player can also find [[N's Pokémon]] in various locations after witnessing a [[Memory Link]].

On {{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}}, {{tc|Backpacker}} Mae mentions that she was a {{tc|Team Plasma Grunt}}, and that she battled {{ga|Hilbert}}/{{ga|Hilda}}.

==In the anime==
[[File:Team Plasma anime.png|thumb|200px|Team Plasma Grunts in the anime]]
Before Team Plasma's proper appearance in the anime, {{an|Giovanni}} mentioned a secret organization operating in the [[Unova]] region and wanted to draw them out.

Team Plasma made their proper debut in ''Best Wishes Season 2 Episode N''. N debuted in ''[[BW109|New Places... Familiar Faces!]]'' on January 17, 2013, followed by [[Colress]], [[Ghetsis]] and the Grunts from Black 2 and White 2 in ''[[BW112|Team Plasma's Pokémon Power Plot!]]''. [[Anthea and Concordia]] also appeared in ''[[BW117|Team Plasma's Pokémon Manipulation!]]'', and the [[Seven Sages]] appeared in a flashback in ''[[BW118|Secrets From Out of the Fog!]]''.

Unlike other teams, Team Plasma has named Grunts in the anime, but only in the original version. [[Aldith]] and [[Barret]] are two Grunts who answer directly to Colress and Ghetsis and act as commanders toward other, unnamed Grunts. Two others, [[Schwarz and Weiss]], have been seen conducting specific operations and may be of similar rank.

===Behind the scenes===
{{bulbanews|Airing of two-part Rocket-dan VS Plasma-dan episode to be moved}}
Team Plasma were initially set to debut in {{OBP|BW023|unaired}} and {{OBP|BW024|unaired}} in a confrontation with [[Team Rocket]], but the episodes were postponed indefinitely due to the {{wp|2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami|Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami}}. TV TOKYO has made plans to air the episode on a later date, but no news has been made since on when the episode will air, nor has it been discussed since.

With the events depicted in ''[[BW112|Team Plasma's Pokémon Power Plot!]]'', the episodes have been retconned out of their original place in continuity. It is unknown if they will ever air in any form.

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
Team Plasma was first seen in ''[[PS466|VS Timburr]]'', attempting to build a stage for Ghetsis's speech on the place {{adv|Black}} and {{adv|White}} were sleeping that night. The next day, [[Ghetsis]] gave a speech to the citizens of [[Accumula Town]], urging them to liberate their Pokémon, which some of the listeners actually did. It was later revealed that Black's Tula used to belong to another Trainer until Team Plasma convinced the Trainer to release him, some time after which Black fought [[N]]. Some time after this, three grunts harassed [[Musha]] at the [[Dreamyard]] and were also behind the artifact robbery of the Nacrene Museum. In this round it is also revealed what Team Plasma is after in order to achieve their ultimate goal - a {{p|Zekrom|legendary Dragon-type Pokémon}} who would help their leader to unite the minds of the people in Unova as one and liberate Pokémon. They kidnapped {{adv|Bianca}}'s Litwick, together with several other Pokémon and held them in their stronghold in [[Castelia City]], and attempted to save {{p|Victini}} on [[Liberty Garden]]. They were also seeking for [[Relic Castle]] and {{p|Volcarona}}. In [[Nimbasa City]], N traps White in a ferris wheel car where he reveals himself to be king of Team Plasma.

== In the TCG ==

Team Plasma started being featured in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]] during the {{TCG|Noble Victories}} expansion, in which the first member to be featured was {{TCG ID|Noble Victories|N|92}}. However, Pokémon belonging to Team Plasma did not appear until the {{TCG|Plasma Storm}} expansion. Unlike previous [[villainous team]]s, Team Plasma's Pokémon are not indicated by name, but by a header and the card itself.

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{{cardlist/entry|cardname={{TCG ID|Plasma Storm|Druddigon|94}}|type=Dragon|enset=Plasma Storm|enrarity=Rare|ennum=094/135|jpset=Plasma Gale|jprarity=Common|jpnum=050/070}}
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==Trivia==
* {{wp|Plasma (physics)|Plasma}} is a state of matter in which the negative {{wp|electron}}s and positive {{wp|nucleus|nuclei}} that usually form atoms become pulled apart and separated. This is analogous with Team Plasma's ideology, which states that people and Pokémon should be separated from one another.
* Team Plasma's Japanese name is a pun: "plasma-dan" can also mean "plasma bullet."
* ''Plasma'' can be interpreted as the culmination of both {{p|Reshiram|fire}} and {{p|Zekrom|lightning}}.
* Team Plasma's original style resembles that of the medieval knights.
** Their logo resembles a shield.
** The lettering in their logo resembles the {{wp|Chi Rho}} symbol.
*** The symbol on their shield is made up of the letters P and Z, possibly from the transliteration of the Japanese for "plasma", ''purazuma'' (プラズマ).
** [[Ghetsis]]'s clothing resembles the {{wp|Battlement|crenelation}} of a fortified position such as a castle.
** Their base is [[N's Castle|a castle]].
** N is known as "king of Team Plasma" or "Lord N", as opposed to the simple "boss" used by other villainous teams.
* [[P2 Laboratory]]'s name is similiar to the {{wp|Propaganda Due}}, known as P2 Lodge, a secret Masonic lodge in Italy that implicated in numerous Italian crimes and mysteries.
** The Italian versions of the game have censored the "P2 Laboratory" by changing its name to "Laboratorio P&P" instead. The Spanish versions changed it to "Laboratorio P+P".
* Team Plasma's style in Black 2 and White 2 resembles that of classical pirates.
** There is a mark on the grunts' hats which appears to be a toned-down {{wp|Jolly Roger}}.
** Their base, the Plasma Frigate, is styled after a sailing ship complete with gangplank, posing as such in Castelia City and the Pokémon World Tournament.
** The Ghetsis Cane is modeled after the helm of a ship.
** Ghetsis is seen wearing a type of eyepatch, which in Black 2 and White 2 is darkened to resemble that seen by typical pirates.
** They are now far more open about how malevolent their intentions are; knights are seen as honorable, while pirates are seen as thieving criminals.
* In Black and White, Team Plasma is the only main series villainous team to not have any administrators challenge the player at various points throughout the game. In fact, Ghetsis and N are the only non-grunt members to even battle the player. This is no longer the case in Black 2 and White 2.

==Names==
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! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
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|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| プラズマ団 ''Plasma-dan''
| From ''{{wp|plasma}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English, French, German, Italian
| Team Plasma
| Same as the Japanese name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Equipo Plasma
| Same as the Japanese name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 플라스마단 ''Plasma Dan''
| Same as the Japanese name.
|}
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{{Team Plasma}} 
{{Villainous teams}}

[[Category:Members of Team Plasma|*]]
[[Category:Villain groups|Plasma]]
[[Category:Black and White characters]]
[[Category:Black 2 and White 2 characters]]

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[[pl:Zespół Plazma]]
[[zh:等离子队]]

Team Galactic

2013-07-13T23:05:30Z

TJF: "Galaxy Gang" → "Galaxy Team", as 団 hardly means "Gang", it just means a group/team/organization/company.

{{Team Infobox
|teamname=Team Galactic
|jpteamname=ギンガ団
|tmteamname=Ginga-dan
|logo=Galactic-logo.png
|image=Diamond Pearl Team Galactic Grunts.png
|caption=Artwork of Galactic Grunts from DP
|leader=[[Cyrus]], [[Saturn]]{{tt|*|games, after Cyrus disappears}}
|region=[[Sinnoh]]
|admins=[[Mars]], [[Jupiter]], [[Saturn]], [[Charon]], [[Mitsumi]]{{tt|*|In Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure!}}, [[Sird]]{{tt|*|In Pokémon Adventures}}
|targets=[[Valley Windworks]], [[Great Marsh]], [[Lake Verity]], [[Lake Valor]], [[Lake Acuity]], [[Spear Pillar]], [[Stark Mountain]]
|hideout=[[Galactic Eterna Building|Eterna City]], [[Team Galactic HQ|Veilstone City]]
|epnum=DP036
|epname=A Secret Sphere of Influence!
|last episode=[[The Battle Finale of Legend]]
|psnum=PS344
|psname=Belligerent Bronzor
|tcg=Team Galactic
|border color={{dark color}}
|background color={{silver color}}
|lightened color={{silver color light}}
}}
'''Team Galactic''' (Japanese: '''ギンガ{{tt|団|だん}}''' ''Ginga-dan'', literally ''Galaxy Team'') is the [[villainous team]] in [[Sinnoh]]. Unlike previous villainous teams, their goal is not limited to the [[Pokémon world]], but is the recreation of the entire [[Pokémon universe]].

==In the games==
Team Galactic appears only in the Sinnoh game trio of {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}; however, unlike their Generation III counterparts of [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]], their impact on the storyline is not affected on which of the primary pair is being played until the end (varying in the Pokémon they summon), though their role does expand in the third version.

===In Diamond and Pearl===
Team Galactic first appears in [[Jubilife City]], harassing [[Professor Rowan]] and his assistant, and trying to get them to give over Rowan's research, with the player returning from [[Oreburgh City]] just in time to help. After this, the player's next encounter with the organization in the [[Valley Windworks]], where [[Mars]] heads up a scheme to steal energy for use in their activities.

After she has been defeated in the Valley Windworks, [[Galactic Eterna Building|Team Galactic's building]] in [[Eterna City]] remains as a stronghold on the western side of the region. [[Jupiter]] runs the show here, possibly using the area as a base closer to the central media in Jubilife so as to reduce travel time for new commercials for Team Galactic, though this is unknown.

Team Galactic's leader, [[Cyrus]], is first encountered shortly after this, as the player travels through the south cave of [[Mt. Coronet]] for the first time, though he does not give his name, and it is not implied at all that he is in any way involved with the group. After this, Team Galactic remains low on the radar for a while, not appearing again until [[Veilstone City]], where their base is set up. After the player beats [[Maylene]], Rowan's assistant will ask for his or her help in defeating two Team Galactic Grunts (the same as those in Jubilife City), who have stolen her or his Pokédex and refuse to return it. Eventually, after [[Crasher Wake]] is defeated, a single Grunt loitering near the entrance to the [[Great Marsh]] will claim to have a bomb but run away when he is overheard. The player must chase him all the way to the [[Valor Lakefront|entrance to Lake Valor]] , where he will finally battle, and will run off scared due to his defeat. In [[Celestic Town]], the player defeats a Grunt who plans on wrecking the place, and is then confronted by Cyrus, who reveals that he is the leader of Team Galactic before issuing a threat and leaving. Team Galactic will then vanish from the radar until after the player has met with his or her {{ga|Barry|rival}}, Rowan, and Rowan's assistant in the [[Canalave Library]] after Byron has been defeated, where it will be found that they are responsible for a huge explosion at Lake Valor, originally mistaken for a tremor. After [[Saturn]] is defeated here and Mars at Lake Verity, Team Galactic will block the player's way to [[Lake Acuity]] from [[Acuity Lakefront|its lakefront]] until [[Candice]] has been bested, and Jupiter will have defeated the rival before the player has arrived.

From here, Team Galactic's final push remains, with a showdown occurring in their [[Team Galactic HQ|Veilstone Headquarters]] after an initial infiltration, and then a trek to the highest part of [[Mt. Coronet]] to stop Cyrus from summoning {{p|Dialga}} or {{p|Palkia}} to destroy and remake the universe. Here the rival teams up with the player to defeat Mars and Jupiter together, while Cyrus and the legendary Pokémon remain as a final challenge. After the Pokémon is either defeated or captured, Cyrus will tell the player he is not finished and will try once again to remake the universe for himself, but will not be seen again afterward, with the assets of Team Galactic left to Saturn.

===In Platinum===
Several events change from Diamond and Pearl to Platinum, most significantly the fact that Cyrus appears at the beginning of the game at Lake Verity and again in Eterna City, and the addition of [[Charon]] to the cast of Team Galactic, introducing him at the same time as Mars. [[Looker]], an international police officer, will tail Team Galactic throughout the game, but will not arrive in time to stop them at any point, as the player will have already defeated them.

Aside from this, not too many alterations are made. However, Cyrus will appear and battle with the player in [[Celestic Town]], while Charon will assist with the penultimate stage of the [[Red Chain]] experiment. It is also stated that the plaques on the [[Eterna City]] statue of Dialga and Palkia in Diamond and Pearl have been removed by vandals, later revealed to be Team Galactic itself, for research by Cyrus. Through this the full text of the plaques can be discovered in the Team Galactic HQ later in the games.

Instead of only Dialga or Palkia being summoned at the Spear Pillar, Cyrus creates a duplicate of the Red Chain to harness both of their powers, knowing the instability it would cause in the universe. The plot extends past the Spear Pillar, with {{p|Giratina}} drawing Cyrus into the [[Distortion World]] to prevent the destruction of spacetime, and Cynthia and the player following after to make sure that the hole ripped in the fabric of spacetime by Giratina is closed so as to not destroy the world.

After Giratina is defeated or captured, Cyrus chooses to stay in the Distortion World, leaving Team Galactic's assets in Saturn's hands, as in the end of Diamond and Pearl. However, when the player journeys to the [[Battle Zone]] after becoming the Champion, Charon is revealed to still be plotting, with a plan to ransom money from the citizens of Sinnoh by threatening to cause [[Stark Mountain]] to erupt. Mars and Jupiter join him in this venture in hopes of finding Cyrus, but decide to quit when defeated by the player once more, and Charon goes alone into Stark Mountain's deepest cave. It is here where he is finally arrested by Looker, restoring Sinnoh's safety.

==In the anime==
[[File:TeamGalacticCommanders.png|right|250px|thumb|[[Saturn]], [[Mars]], [[Cyrus]], [[Jupiter]], and [[Charon]] in the anime]]
Unlike their predecessors [[Team Rocket]], [[Team Magma]], and [[Team Aqua]], Team Galactic did not appear in the earliest segments of the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}. The group finally appeared in ''[[DP036|A Secret Sphere of Influence!]]'', with [[Saturn]] and several {{tc|Galactic Grunt|Grunts}} appearing in a short cameo at the end of the episode. They had assigned the [[Team Rocket trio]] of [[Jessie]], [[James]], and {{MTR}} to steal the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Adamant Orb}} from the [[Eterna Historical Museum]].

Team Galactic made a second appearance in ''[[DP060|Journey to the Unown!]]'', this time in an expanded role. Saturn brings two grunts with him to the [[Solaceon Ruins]], using three [[plate]]s to obtain a [[Spear Key|strange cube]] inside. After thanking the Team Rocket trio who followed them inside, Saturn escapes using his {{p|Bronzor}}, leaving the ruins in chaos due to the enraged {{p|Unown}}.

In ''[[DP069|Enter Galactic!]]'', {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}} encounter the organization for the first time. Saturn again leads the mission, exposing the strange cube found in the ruins to the Veilstone meteorites and transforming it into the [[Spear Key]]. Team Galactic attempts to steal the meteorites as well, but after a brief battle between Saturn's {{p|Toxicroak}} and [[Brock's Croagunk]], as well as many {{p|Golbat}} and [[Ash's Pikachu]] and [[Paul's Electabuzz]], the team is forced to retreat.

Team Galactic made their biggest push yet in ''[[DP096|Losing Its Lustrous]]'' and ''[[DP097|Double Team Turnover!]]'', when the other two Commanders, [[Mars]] and [[Jupiter]], as well as leader [[Cyrus]] made their debuts. Cyrus is revealed to be a rich businessman who was responsible for constructing most of the buildings in the Sinnoh region, while Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn are carrying out yet another Team Galactic plot, this time to steal both the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Adamant Orb}} as well as the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Lustrous Orb}} from the [[Celestic Town Historical Research Center]]. Ash and Dawn reveal to Cyrus [[DP001|their]] [[DP078|encounters]] with {{p|Mesprit}} and {{p|Azelf}} at [[Lake Verity]] and [[Lake Valor]], respectively, unknowing of his obsession with the {{an|lake guardians}} and the other [[legendary Pokémon]] of Sinnoh. The Galactic plot is successful, and the two Orbs are stolen, though Cyrus never reveals himself to be behind it all. It is also revealed that some of Veilstone's meteorites have been sent to the [[Fuego Ironworks]] as part of the [[Red Chain]] project.

In ''[[DP110|Steeling Peace of Mind!]]'' and ''[[DP111|Saving the World From Ruins!]]'', yet another plot was carried out by the group. Mars led a group of grunts to [[Iron Island]], where a shrine to {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} was located. Using it and the Spear Key, an electromagnetic beam that disturbed the {{t|Steel}} types that inhabit the island was blasted at [[Mt. Coronet]]. Ash and his friends, as well as [[Riley]], his {{TP|Riley|Lucario}}, and {{an|Barry}}, were able to destroy the machine that Mars was using, though Team Galactic's scan of Mt. Coronet remained at 60%. [[Charon]] also debuted in the latter of the two episodes; however, it was only in a cameo, and he did not have a speaking role.

In ''[[DP130|Frozen on Their Tracks!]]'', they were apparently behind disrupting the alignment of railroad tracks leading to [[Lake Acuity]]; this caused a slight delay in the trip {{Ash}} and {{ashfr}} were taking to the lake, as well as raising [[Looker]]'s suspicions.

Team Galactic made another appearance in ''[[DP136|Gateway to Ruin!]]'', where they searched inside of [[Mt. Coronet]]'s caves for ruins that would lead them to the [[Spear Pillar]]. [[Saturn]] and [[Charon]] led this venture, and Looker as well became involved. Charon and Saturn were forced to leave empty-handed, as the ruins they had found were not the ones leading to the Spear Pillar.

Team Galactic's plans finally came to a head in ''[[DP150|Unlocking the Red Chain of Events!]]'', where Jupiter and Charon completed the Red Chain that would be instrumental in taking control of Dialga and Palkia. [[J|Pokémon Hunter J]] was then hired by Cyrus to capture the {{an|lake guardians}}, and although she was successful in handing them over to Team Galactic, her ship was destroyed by {{m|Future Sight}} immediately after, leaving her fate unknown.

Now with the power of the lake guardians and the Adamant and Lustrous Orbs, Cyrus, Saturn, Mars, and Charon entered the [[Spear Pillar]], with Cyrus finally realizing his dream, taking control of Dialga and Palkia with the Red Chain. With Jupiter staying behind as a guard, Ash, Dawn, Brock, Cynthia, and Looker easily caught up to the group, arresting her and advancing into the Spear Pillar themselves.

Dialga and Palkia's power opened a portal to another world, which would expand outward and consume the old one. Cyrus then revealed to Saturn and Mars that he had no intention of bringing them with him to this new world. After Dialga and Palkia were freed, the portal began to close and a desperate Cyrus jumped into the portal and never was seen again. Just in time, Ash, Dawn, and Brock helped the lake guardians to calm the two legendary dragons and save [[Sinnoh]], while Mars and Saturn were arrested by Looker and Charon nowhere to be found. With the Adamant and Lustrous Orbs recovered, three of the Commanders arrested, Charon gone, and Cyrus missing, Team Galactic was finished and their plans to destroy Sinnoh were finally brought to an end.

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
The team is first pointed at during {{chap|Emerald}} where [[Archie]] reveals that [[Sird|a mysterious woman]] from Team Galactic gave him and [[Maxie]] the [[Guile Hideout|armor and the sword]].

During {{chap|Diamond & Pearl}} Team Galactic appears many times, appearing as the main villains for the chapter. Like in the games, the team's goal is to help their leader, Cyrus, to create the universe anew. They were first seen in ''[[PS344|Belligerent Bronzor]]'', where [[Mars]] invaded [[Valley Windworks]]. After some time the theme was seen helding [[Rad Rickshaw]] as hostage because of his two Clefairy, Cliff and Cliffette, and his knowledge about Dialga and Palkia. Later, [[Saturn]] sent [[Paka and Uji]] into [[Distortion World|an another universe]]. The team was to awaken and capture the [[Lake guardians]] in order to summon [[Dialga]] and [[Palkia]] so they crafted a [[Galactic Bomb|bomb]] and detonated it over [[Lake Valor|one of the lakes]] of the Sinnoh region in order to achieve this. When the [[Red Chain]]s, the tools for summoning the legends were complete, the team set of to the peak of [[Mt. Coronet]], where Cyrus managed to summon Dialga and Palkia. {{adv|Diamond}}, {{adv|Pearl}} and {{adv|Platinum}} stopped them, but the team's leader was taken into Distortion World by {{p|Giratina}}.

In {{chap|Platinum}}, most of the members of Team Galactic are searching for their leader who disappeared into Distortion World at the end of the previous chapter. One of the commanders, [[Charon]], attempts to gather all the known Sinnoh legendaries so he can come into ultimate power. He gains access to the Distortion World to capture Giratina, Dialga and Palkia. The other three commanders follow him there and are tricked into fighting with him. A reformed Cyrus appears in the Distortion World and helps the protagonists defeat Giratina. After Charon is defeated, everyone emerges from the Distortion World having calmed Giratina. Cyrus announces that he is disbanding Team Galactic and departs, taking Mars, Jupiter and Saturn with him. Charon is arrested by [[Looker]].

==In the TCG==
Team Galactic are featured across several expansions in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]]. Initially only featured on a few {{TCG|Supporter card}}s, Team Galactic were more prominent in the Platinum Series, which introduced {{TCG|Pokémon G|Pokémon}} {{SP|G}} belonging to team members and supporting cards in the form of various inventions. Cards that mention or belong to specific members can be found on their individual pages.

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{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Sableye G (Supreme Victors 41)|Sableye]] {{SP|G}}|type=Darkness|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Rare|ennum=41/147|jpsetlink=Garchomp vs Charizard SP Deck Kit|jpset=Charizard Half Deck|jpnum=006/016}}
{{cardlist/entry|cardname=[[Chatot G (Supreme Victors 54)|Chatot]] {{SP|G}}|type=Colorless|enset=Supreme Victors|enrarity=Uncommon|ennum=54/147|jpsetlink=Supreme Victors|jpset=Beat of the Frontier|jprarity=Uncommon|jpnum=082/100}}
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==Trivia==
* Although "Team Galactic" is not incorrect, a more literal translation of the Japanese is "Team Galaxy" or "Galaxy Gang," possibly [[List of references to Pulseman|a reference]] to the Galaxy Gang in {{wp|Pulseman}}.
* ''Galactic'' is derived from "galaxy", a part of the universe. Fundamentally, the universe is governed by the physics of {{p|Palkia|space}} and {{p|Dialga|time}}, while also consisting of {{p|Giratina|antimatter}}.
* All named members of Team Galactic are named for {{wp|Solar System}} objects aside from Cyrus: {{wp|Mars}}, {{wp|Jupiter}}, and {{wp|Saturn}} are planets, while {{wp|Charon (moon)|Charon}} is {{wp|Pluto}}'s largest natural satellite. Cyrus's name, however, is derived from an ancient Persian word for the {{wp|Sun}}.
* All Team Galactic members wear outfits similar to spacesuits. Due to this, characters who do not know who they are refer to them as spacemen.
* According to some Team Galactic members, children are not allowed to join Team Galactic.
* In {{2v2|Black|White|2}}, a Team Plasma member says he is a former member of Team Galactic.

==Names==
{| align="left" style="background: #{{silver color}}; {{roundy|10px}}; border: 3px solid #{{dark color}}"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| ギンガ団 ''Ginga-dan''
| From 銀河 ''ginga'', galaxy. Literally "Galaxy Gang".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Team Galactic
| From ''galactic''
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Team Galaxie
| From ''galaxie'', galaxy.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Finnish
| Galactic-tiimi
| From the English name
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Team Galaktik
| From ''Galaktisch'', meaning galactic, but made English-sounding.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Team Galassia
| From ''galassia'', galaxy
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 갤럭시단 ''Galaxy Dan''
| From English ''galaxy''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Polish
| Zespół G
| Analogous to ''Zespół R'' ([[Team Rocket]])
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Portuguese (Portugal)
| Team Galáctica
| From ''galáctica'', galactic.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Equipo Galaxia Equipo Galactico
| From ''galaxia'', galaxy. Literally means ''team galactic''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 銀河隊／银河队 ''Yínhé Duì''
| Means "galaxy group".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Romanian
| Echipa Galactică
| Translation of the English name.
|}{{-}}

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[[pl:Zespół Galaktyczny]]
[[zh:银河队]]

Template talk:TCG Releases

2013-07-13T23:02:10Z

TJF:

==Hi there==
I'd like to propose something slightly subtler and more compact/streamlined. I am all for colour and roundy boxes but this just seems a bit too big, bulky and bright ''[[User:Sui|'''Sui''']][[User talk:Sui|'''Scorpio''']]'' 15:13, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

==Gang → Team==
Translating 団 as "gang" is misleading, since the word simply means a group or team (company, etc), and can simply be used for gangs. As such, I've been editing pages that contain this misleading translation from "Gang" to "Team", but I don't have permissions to edit this template, as far as I know (I don't edit wiki that often, maybe I'm just missing how). If someone could edit "Rocket Gang" to "Rocket Team", and direct the link to http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Team_Rocket_%28TCG%29 instead of the redirect link, I would appreciate your help. [[User:TJF|TJF]] ([[User talk:TJF|talk]]) 23:02, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Team Rocket (TCG)

2013-07-13T22:50:43Z

TJF: "Rocket Gang" → "Rocket Team", as 団 hardly means "Gang", it just means a group/team/organization/company.

EX Team Rocket Returns (TCG)

2013-07-13T22:49:43Z

TJF: "Rocket Gang" → "Rocket Team", as 団 hardly means "Gang", it just means a group/team/organization/company.

Team Rocket

2013-07-13T22:47:39Z

TJF: "Rocket Gang" → "Rocket Team", as 団 hardly means "Gang", it just means a group/team/organization/company.

Talk:Team Rocket

2013-07-13T22:39:33Z

TJF: /* TR Name in Japanese */

== The Team Rocket motto ==

I'm wondering, should one of the Team Rocket articles provide info about the mottos? [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] 21:44, 21 November 2005 (CST)

Hmm. Perhaps under the anime section (or create a separate article for the JJM motto [which has varied a few times, perhaps worthy of its own article] and link to that from the articles for those three). - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 04:09, 22 November 2005 (CST)

There's also the motto in the bookcases in the Mahogany Town Base in GSC. Something along the lines of: "Steal Pokemon for Profit! Exploit Pokemon for Profit! Pokemon exist for the glory of Team Rocket!" - PikamasterADV

Its been used by the main character(s) in 2 episodes: rescuing chicorita and one in the diamond and pearl series --[[User:Pocketmonster|Pocketmonster]] 03:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:Never seen the rescuing Chikorita episode, but I have seen the one in Ditto's Mysterious Mansion and the other in The Keystone Pops! (Too lazy to find episode numbers and link to the episode) - [[User:SpontaneousCombusken|spontaneous'''Combusken''']] 03:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

::Personally, I think that Jessie and James are main characters..... But not TR as a whole. I can't really word this correctly... --[[User:Cat2killer|Catu42]] 22:59, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

==Comic==

I found this and it reminded me of the team rocket motto

http://www.squidi.net/comic/amd/view.php?ep=1&id=38 - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Pocketmonster|Pocketmonster]] ([[User talk:Pocketmonster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pocketmonster|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

And how does this have anything to do with Team Rocket?~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 03:51, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

:Of course, it's entirely possible the comic was based off of Team Rocket's motto. But it doesn't matter at all. Would've been better if you posted this in the forums, though, since it doesn't have anything to do with the article at all, or any of the other articles. - [[User:SpontaneousCombusken|spontaneous'''Combusken''']] 03:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, main sentence, it doesn't matter at all, which is why I suggest this section be removed.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 04:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== *sigh* ==

How about this, we stop with all the supposed Nazi stuff (Which if you ask me is original research and subject to one's view, as I don't see it) until we discuss it here. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 17:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
: I see I was too late on making my talk subject. :) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Stock art ==

Ok, so for the stock art and the Nazi thing, they are NOT doing the Hitler salute, they are in one of their poses. It would be like people doing ballet who have poses at the end of their dances. Deal with it. They aren't like the Nazis. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:00, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:In ''[[AG013|All things Bright and Beautifly]]'', they made an edit in the Rocket Fantasy because the grunts and the trio were doing a similar pose to the "Heil Hitler" pose. it was definitely a Nazi salute, especially considering their affiliation with Team Rocket, a paramilitary organization. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 18:04, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::That was in ONE episode, not all of them. They realized it looked too much like the Heil Hitler, so they changed it. They'll do things like that, such as the Registeel pose in D/P. They had to change that for the European version because of the similarity. None of it is intentional. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:07, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Registeel may have been unintentional, but I doubt it was a coincidence that it even resembled one of the most evil paramilitary totalitarian organizations of history. I mean, Team Rocket in the Anime has control of at least four areas (As the Sevii Islands appeared in the anime as well, I'd say they have a base located in Sevii Islands as well, as it did have one in the games.), and was implied to have taken over Hoenn at the end of the Hoenn arc, making five thus far, the fact that, out of all the criminal organizations that have debuted as of yet, they are currently the only ones who have had access to military grade vehicles (''[[EP064|It's Mr. Mime Time]]'' had JJM using a Tank, as well as a Submarine capable of firing weapons that could destroy a city in some episodes, as well as the fact that they owned Jeeps [a standard Military transport vehicle] in the Red Gyarados Arc are all testaments to this. Heck, just like the Nazis and Hitler, Giovanni was considered to be a respected high official in there, being quite unaware that he is actually a dictator.). I mean, it's not the first time the Japanese referenced the Nazis when making their shows. I mean, the Red Ribbon army in Dragon Ball was deliberately based off of the Nazi party (even going as far as to include a Germanic, Gay, Superstrong psychic using high general by the name of General Blue into the mix.). Believe me, it was deliberately based off of the Nazi salute. there's been too much evidence for it to be that for it to not be a nazi reference. I am removing it because you said it shouldn't be mentioned as it would cause too much controversy, so the image would have to go as well. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 18:24, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::::By that logic, all articles pertaining to Team Rocket should be deleted as well.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 18:27, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::If it needs be in order to prevent controversies appearing, so be it. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 18:32, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::P.S. Wait, what do you mean by "PC" in your edit?{{unsigned|Weedle Mchairybug}}
::::::Politically Correct[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 18:47, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Ok, but apparantly, Rocket Admin Hunter Blade thought it needed to be politically correct when he said "That should NOT be mentioned, as it would create controversy." when he reverted my first edit to the article stating that the anime version resembled the nazis. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 18:49, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Fine, have it your way. I'm kinda wishing I hadn't started this subject, because I'm tired of getting e-mails talking about something somebody edited to reference the Nazis and Hitler. From now on, unless somebody else says something, drop it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:12, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon poacher ==

Wouldn't Team Rocket also come under this category? They do steal them for profit. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 23:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
:Yea, that's true. I'll add them in now. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 23:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Ok, for the HeartGold and SoulSilver appearances. ==

We should remove them from the article. HOWEVER, we must also realize that we don't know if they will be appearing or not (in other words, don't state that Team Rocket isn't appearing in HG/SS when removing the remakes link as if you know that they won't until we have more info.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:15, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure TR will be in HG/SS. Wouldn't be much of a remake if they weren't in it. [[User:DarkGiratina|DarkGiratina]] 21:04 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::Confirmed by CoroCoro screenshots. Team Rocket's blasting off agaaaaaaain! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::This is just speculation, but maybe they'll make more appearances in the remakes. [[User:DarkGiratina|DarkGiratina]] 16:48 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I am not replying I did not want to create another section since there was one on it already.
You people need to get the neo team rocket AND the neo team plasma music.
[[User:Kingsisle|Kingsisle]] ([[User talk:Kingsisle|talk]]) 19:45, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

== Spoilers ==

Should I put a spoiler warning before the bit that reveals who the Viridian City Gym Leader is? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 09:45, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

:It's not really needed. We don't have spoilers on Giovanni's page, Viridian City's page, or the Viridian Gym page. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:45, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== TR Name in Japanese ==
団 (dan) means "Group, Team, Club, Gang..." basically any grouping. It's used in school clubs, sports teams, etc. So putting it up as "Rocket Gang" is sort of misleading. It DOES mean that... but it also means "Rocket Team" or "Rocket Club" or any sort of "Rocket Group". I think we should mark it as "Rocket Team" because it is closest to the English name, even if TR is actually a gang. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 00:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

:The person who notes CherryParanoia doesn't exist. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:05, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:Agreed, I came in here looking for discussion related to the choice of the word "Gang". I'm going to go ahead and make the edit, considering you noted this in 2009. [[User:TJF|TJF]] ([[User talk:TJF|talk]]) 22:39, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

== Team Rocket Base in the Anime? ==

In the first Paragraph it states "An underground school for aspiring Team Rocket operatives is present somewhere in the region, while the organization's headquarters were formerly near Pallet Town." What Episode confirms that the HQ base was anywhere near Pallet? --[[User:Lordrogersmith6485|Lordrogersmith6485]] 00:15, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[EP065]]. Team Rocket go to meet Giovanni at the head quarters before it is destroyed by Mewtwo. They then head to Oak's Lab in Pallet town planning to steal Pokémon. So presumably the HQ was close to Pallet. Then again in one episode they managed to get from Saffron City to Goldenrod in one night (EP159) so they can travel fast if need be.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 00:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::So is that more of an assumption rather than the consideration that the Team Rocket Trio are somehow capable of quick transporation? Well, we can leave that be I suppose. But what of the Underground School? When was this shown? --[[User:Lordrogersmith6485|Lordrogersmith6485]] 02:24, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Beligaronia, couldn't they have used the Magnet Train? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::::@CuboneKing Nope, it wasn't built yet and wouldn't be for a year, according to [[EP158]].
::::@Lordrogersmith6485 Possibly in [[SS012|Training Daze]], I haven't seen the episode but it's the only training centre reference I can think of off the top of my head. Nowhere in the episode article is it mentioned to be underground so I could still be wrong.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 02:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::So if this is considered speculation rather than truth, is it worth correcting for the main article?--[[User:Lordrogersmith6485|Lordrogersmith6485]] 03:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Kuyck Kuyck Kuyck ==

Maybe noone else has noticed this guy, but there is a Rocket who laughs like like Curly in Gen 2 and the remakes, and is the only known guy you fight twice aside from the bosses. Seeing as the Rocket Bros. have their own page, how about this guy? I like him and would do it, but thought I should get the go ahead first. [[User:Nevar00|Nevar00]] 13:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:That sounds more like somthing that should be in the trivia section of this page. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 9:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== Consistency in other articles ==

I've seen "Team Rocket" used as both a singular (as in "Team Rocket steals a Pokémon") and plural noun (as in "Team Rocket steal a Pokémon") around the site in various articles. Which one of these is considered to be correct? Technically, the word "team" is singular, even though a team is by definition made up of more than one person.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantomjunkie]] 06:13, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
:The main problem is that there are two different (sort of) things called ''Team Rocket''. When it is singular it should normally be referring to the villainous team in Kanto and Johto. When it is plural it will normally be referring to [[Jessie]], [[James]] and {{MTR}} in the anime, where it is often used to refer to the three as a group, as opposed to the team as a whole. If that makes sense. So ''Team Rcoket steals Pokémon'' in the games, while in the anime ''Team Rocket steal Ash's Pikachu''. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Slight bias ==

While I am new to editing this wiki, I'm assuming it is supposed to be neutral, so should the references to Team Rocket being "Evil" be removed? I'm not claiming that I disagree that they are, though. [[User:Absolution|Absolution]] 19:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:No, since this is fiction and the writers obviously intended for them to be the bad guys. [[User:Idya Ran|Idya Ran]] 19:10, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

== Useless Minions ==

This is just something that I noticed and I am not sure if it is worth noteing. Team Rocket is suppoosed to be a highly sucssesful group of poachers who cappture rare and valuble pokémon, yet most of the members(This is excluding Geovanni, The Iron Masked Marauder and previus members like Bruno and Lt. Surge) only train pokémon from the Rattata, Zubat, Ekans, Koffing, and Sandshrew families. Leaving one to wounder why they dont use the more powerful pokémon that they no doubt capture on thier Pokémon raids. [[User:EpicShadow|EpisShadow]] 10:11, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

== Trio In Poverty ==
I think part of the Trio's section should include facts about there poverty situation and the fact that despite this, they can aford lots of realy expensive and heavy machinery that no normal person could afford. Other things that would go into this area of information would be the kinds of sidejobs they do like selling food at the indigo leuge championships. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 10:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think it's pretty much accepted that any machinery or transportation they use is provided by Giovanni and the rest of Team Rocket. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 04:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::I thought about that, but it makes no economical sens to spend so mutch money on a group with such a high rate of failure. There must be another way they get it. For simplicity's sake it should just say "the method by wich they retrieve the money is unkown". If it pleases I can write a paragraph about this when I have the time. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 11:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Don't quote me on this, but I seem to recall them mentioning occasionally that they are so poor because they spend all their salaries on their mechas. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::: Would this be okay "The trio has often been shown as poor or having little money. This may be due to the unusual amount of machinery and costumes they use in their attempts to capture Ash’s Pikachu. Because of this, one would wonder why Giovanni continues to fund their projects. They often take on side-jobs like selling food at stadiums or creating fake items to sell to the public." [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 9:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::I went ahead and put it in there if ther is a problem feel free to change it. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 1:14 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Split? ==

Can we split this article into two parts: "Team Rocket (game)" and Team Rocket (anime)". I'm surprised this hasn't already been done. The [[Jessie]], [[James]] and {{MTR}} trio really deserve their own article. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 01:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
:Why should the trio get a whole page when each individual member has their own page? The Trio page would just repeat information. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 14:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::I think there is enough data to make a decent split, for example the origins are different in both Special and anime: In the anime Team Rocket has been running for decades under the command of Giovanni's mother. Also, during Best Wishes Team Rocket seem to be getting a relevant role and it's confirmed that they will clash with Team Plasma, I smell a lot of edit wars coming as soon as the special airs.[[User:LurKasumi|LurKasumi]] 18:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

== Name pun ==

The Team Galactic and Team Plasma pages say Team Rocket's Japanese name is a pun. Is there some way this could be incorparated into this page? [[User:Idya Ran|Idya Ran]] 19:10, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
==All generations==
They have been seen in all generations...in Gen. 1 games, in Gen. 2 games, in FRLG, in HGSS, and in BW and B2W2. No other villainous team has been in so many games. Add to trivia?[[User:Eeveewithwings123|Eeveewithwings123]] ([[User talk:Eeveewithwings123|talk]]) 20:43, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
:...Where are they in BW and BW2? The ex-Team Rocket guy? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 20:44, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, if he counts. He is team rocket, even if Ex. The same with ex-plasmas.[[User:Eeveewithwings123|Eeveewithwings123]] ([[User talk:Eeveewithwings123|talk]]) 22:24, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget that Giovanni shows up in B2W2 --[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] ([[User talk:Morgil27|talk]]) 05:39, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

== Anime's Major Targets ==

could we add team rocket in the anime's major targets like the Abyssal ruins? --[[User:Dragon146|Dragon146]] ([[User talk:Dragon146|talk]]) 20:17, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Suicune (Pokémon)

2013-05-22T06:50:03Z

TJF: Suicune -> Suikun when in reference to the Japanese name. Reason being, it provides the correct pronunciation and is more accurate to the Japanese.

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Suicune | prev=Entei | next=Larvitar|type=water|| prevnum=244| nextnum=246}}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Suicune |
jname=スイクン |
tmname=Suikun |
art=HGSS |
size=220px |
pron=<sc>swih-koon</sc> |
ndex=245 |
oldjdex=240 |
jdex=245 |
hdex=380 |
fbrow=204 |
obrow=249 |
type1=Water |
species=Aurora |
height-ftin=6'07" |
height-m=2.0 |
weight-lbs=412.3 |
weight-kg=187.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Pressure |
ability2= |
abilityd=Water Absorb |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Undiscovered |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=80 |
evde=1|
evsd=2|
expyield=215 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=255 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=3 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=suicune |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}

'''Suicune''' (Japanese: '''スイクン''' ''Suikun'') is a {{type|Water}} [[legendary Pokémon]].

It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon.

Along with {{p|Raikou}} and {{p|Entei}}, it is one of the [[legendary beasts]] created by {{p|Ho-Oh}} after the burning of the [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]]. Of the three legendary beasts, Suicune is said to represent the rains that quenched the flames of the burning Brass Tower.

Suicune is pursued in the {{pkmn|anime}}, [[Pokémon Adventures|manga]], {{game|Crystal}}, and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} by [[Eusine]].

Suicune is the [[version mascot]] of {{game|Crystal}}, appearing on the boxart.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Suicune is an elegant, slim, blue mammal-like Pokémon with white diamond-shaped spots and a white underside. Suicune has a purple, cape-like mane that resembles a northern aurora ({{wp|Aurora Borealis}}) or a flowing river and two white streamer-like tails. It has a long, white snout, and unlike Entei or Raikou, its teeth are blunt, as if those of an herbivore. It has a hexagonal, aquamarine-colored crest on its forehead that resembles the antlers of a {{wp|Qilin}} or slightly altered {{wp|female sign}}, red irises, a protrusion on the underside of its chin, and small paws. Its paws have a small white oval on their underside.

====Gender differences====
Suicune is a genderless species but it is referred as a male in Pokémon Adventures.

===Special abilities===
Suicune has the power to purify dirty water and can walk across water. Northern winds always seem to blow wherever it shows up. Because Suicune is the embodiment of the north wind, it is able to learn and use almost every attack with relation to the wind such as {{m|Gust}}, {{m|Icy Wind}}, {{m|Blizzard}}, and even {{m|Tailwind}}. Suicune, like the other [[legendary beasts]], is extremely fast. It also sports limited mental powers.

As noted in {{game|Crystal}}, Suicune is said to be the closest of the [[legendary beasts]] to {{p|Ho-Oh}}. It is also said to have a link to the {{p|Unown}}.

===Behavior===
In the anime, Suicune has shown a heroic, serious and calm nature to dangerous situations and has appeared just in time to save the main character or [[character of the day]], as shown in ''[[Drifloon on the Wind!]]'' when it races to save Ash and Paige.

In [[Pokémon Adventures]], it was thought to be searching for a Trainer strong enough to master it, but in truth it was looking for allies in the battle against the [[Masked Man]] to save its creator, {{p|Ho-Oh}}.

It's sometimes seen roaring off sides of cliffs.

===Habitat===
[[File:Grassland Habitat.png|thumb|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Grassland Pokémon}}]]
Since Suicune is a member of the legendary beasts, Suicune races around the land. Some say it searches for a pure reservoir. Many speculate that Suicune and the rest of the legendary beasts are indeed not unique species because in ''[[M04|Celebi: Voice of the Forest]]'', {{an|Professor Oak}} speaks as if the Suicune in question was a specific Pokémon of that species.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Suicune anime.png|200px|thumb|Suicune in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
[[File:Sugimori Suicune AG.jpg|thumb|left|200px|[[Ken Sugimori|Sugimori]] reference sheet for the anime]]
====[[Suicune (M04)]]====
The first lengthy appearance of Suicune is in ''[[M04|Celebi: Voice of the Forest]]''. In the course of the movie, it demonstrated its ability to purify water, as well as doing battle with Dark {{mov|Celebi|Celebi|04}}.

====[[legendary beasts (M13)|Suicune (M13)]]====
A [[Legendary beasts (M13)|Shiny Suicune]] appeared alongside {{mov|Celebi|Celebi|13}} and the other members of its [[Legendary beasts|trio]] in the thirteenth Pokémon movie, ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''.

====Other====
[[File:Suicune M13.png|thumb|250px|A {{Shiny}} Suicune in the anime]]
{{DL|Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime|Suicune}}'s first appearance is in the episode ''[[EP117|Don't Touch That 'dile]]'' when {{Ash}}, {{an|Misty}}, and {{an|Brock}} spot Suicune in the middle of a lake near [[New Bark Town]]. When it spots the group, it runs off. Its first significant appearance is in the episode ''[[EP227|For Ho-Oh the Bells Toll!]]'', where it appeared in [[Ecruteak City]] after one of the [[Clear Bells|Crystal Bells]] from the [[Bell Tower]] was destroyed.

Suicune also appears in [[Sinnoh]] in ''[[DP028|Drifloon on the Wind!]]''. It was a friend to two young [[Nurse Joy|Joys]] named [[Marnie and Paige]]. Suicune saved {{Ash}} and Paige's lives.

===Minor appearances===
Suicune also has a small cameo at the opening of ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'', ''[[M08|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]'', ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'' and ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]''.
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===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP028|Suicune|Ash's Pokédex|Suicune, the Aurora Pokémon. It travels the {{pkmn|world}} and purifies water wherever it goes, sailing on the North Wind.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Misty Suicune Adventures.png|thumb|200px|Suicune in Pokémon Adventures]]
Suicune was awakened by {{adv|Yellow}} along with its two counterparts, and the three raced around [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]] looking for {{pkmn|Trainer}}s to help them defeat the [[Masked Man]] to free {{p|Ho-Oh}}. Suicune, in particular, personally challenges many of the [[Gym Leader]]s in the two [[region]]s. During its travels, it encounters both [[Eusine]] and {{adv|Crystal}}, both of which become obsessed with capturing it. Eusine acquires the [[Clear Bell|Crystal Bell]] from the Rocket trio he defeats, but he and Crystal are still unable to capture Suicune. Crystal has her confidence shattered by this (and by the guilt of interrupting Suicune's attempt to contact its old master) and has to retreat back to her old training grounds to regain her confidence, which she does by reacquiring her catching skills capturing a wild {{p|Larvitar}}. Suicune later chooses [[Misty]] as its partner and fights alongside her, but then pairs up with Crystal anyways after Misty becomes injured (much to the dismay of Eusine).

Suicune can communicate with {{p|Raikou}} and {{p|Entei}} {{m|Extrasensory|telepathically}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Suicune (TCG)}}

==Other appearances==
[[File:Suicune SSBB.png|220px|right|thumb|Suicune in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]]]
===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]/[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl]]===
When released from a [[Poké Ball]], Suicune unleashes a blast of {{m|Icy Wind}} that causes high levels of damage. Suicune returns in Brawl but with a different [[move|attack]], {{m|Aurora Beam}}.

==== Melee trophy information ====

''This mystical aurora Pokémon constantly journeys in search of places with pure flowing water. Suicune wields the power to instantly purify any contaminated water it finds. Some say Suicune is the north wind reborn. Its strange and dramatic story is told over the course of the Crystal version of the Pokémon game.''

==== Brawl trophy information ====

''"An Aurora Pokémon. It has the power to instantly purify even the filthiest water. Suicune is said to be the reincarnation of the northern wind, so when it shows up, so does that wind. Suicune uses the move Aurora Beam--aurora light focused into a powerful beam. Along with inflicting damage, this attack also lowers the target's attack power."''

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
{{game|Crystal}}: It is possible to see Suicune multiple times on the overworld before the actual battle in [[Bell Tower]]. In these occasions, it will always hop away on being spotted.

{{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}: As in Crystal, Suicune will roam Johto and Kanto before finally battling the player. After being first seen in the [[Burned Tower]], it runs to [[Cianwood City]], [[Mt. Mortar]], [[Vermilion Harbor]], and {{rt|14|Kanto}} before giving itself up at the end of {{rt|25|Kanto}} after defeating [[Misty]]. If it is not caught, Suicune can be found in the Burned Tower after defeating the [[Elite Four]] again.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=water
|gen=2
|golddex=Said to be the reincarnation of north winds, it can instantly purify filthy, murky water.
|silverdex=This Pokémon races across the land. It is said that north winds will somehow blow whenever it appears.
|crystaldex=This divine Pokémon blows around the world, always in search of a pure reservoir.
|rsdex=Suicune embodies the compassion of a pure spring of water. It runs across the land with gracefulness. This Pokémon has the power to purify dirty water.
|emeralddex=Suicune embodies the compassion of a pure spring of water. It runs across the land with gliding elegance. It has the power to purify dirty water.
|firereddex=This Pokémon races across the land. It is said that north winds will somehow blow whenever it appears.
|leafgreendex=Said to be the reincarnation of north winds, it can instantly purify filthy, murky water.
|stadium2dex=Said to be the reincarnation of north winds, it can instantly purify filthy, murky water.
|diamonddex=It travels across the world to purify polluted water. It moves together with the north wind.
|pearldex=It travels around the world to purify fouled water. It dashes away with the north wind.
|platinumdex=It travels across the world to purify polluted water. It moves together with the north wind.
|heartgolddex=Said to be the embodiment of north winds, it can instantly purify filthy, murky water.
|soulsilverdex=This Pokémon races across the land. It is said that north winds will somehow blow whenever it appears.
|bwdex=It travels across the world to purify polluted water. It moves together with the north wind.
|b2w2dex=It races around the world to purify fouled water. It dashes away with the north wind.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=water |
gen=2 |
gsrarity=One |
gsarea={{pkmn2|Roaming}} [[Johto]] |
crarity=One |
carea=[[Bell Tower]] |
gen3ex=frlg|
frlgrarity=One |
frlgarea={{pkmn2|Roaming}} [[Kanto]] (with {{p|Charmander}} as {{pkmn2|starter}}) |
colorarity=One |
coloarea=[[The Under]]|
coloshadow=yes |
gen4ex=hgss |
hgssrarity=One |
hgssarea={{rt|25|Kanto}} [[Burned Tower]]{{tt|*|Rematch if Suicune faints or the player runs away}} |
gen5ex=none |
bwrarity=None |
bwarea=[[Poké Transfer]] [[Relocator]] ({{shiny}} {{DL|List of Nintendo event Pokémon with in-game effects|Suicune|event Suicune}} only)|
b2w2ex=none |
b2w2area=[[Poké Transfer]]|
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=water
|trozei=Random Agent Cards [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Northwind Field]] (30F)
|ranger=[[Fiore Temple]]
|md2=[[Final Maze]] (B29F)
|md3=[[Treacherous Waters]] (B10F-B19F; appears on random floor after accepting challenge letter)
|ranger3=[[Canal Ruins]] [[Rand's House]]
|pokepark=[[Iceberg Zone]]
|rumble2=Lake: [[World Axle - B2F]] (Post-ending)
}}

====In events====
{{eventAvail/h|type=Water}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|GSC}}|Gotta Catch 'Em All Station! Suicune|English|United States|40[[File:ShinyIIStars.png|Shiny|link=Shiny Pokémon]]|November 22 to 29, 2001; December 7 to 20, 2001 June 22 to 28, 2002; July 5 to 11, 2002; November 15 to 21, 2002|link=List of English Gotta Catch 'Em All event Pokémon#Shiny Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|GSC}}|Gotta Catch 'Em All Station! Suicune|English|United States|??|October 18 to 24, 2002|link=List of English Gotta Catch 'Em All event Pokémon#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|Journey Across America Suicune|English|United States|70|February 25 to July 23, 2006|link=List of Journey Across America event Pokémon distributions#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|Top 10 Distribution Suicune|Italian|Italy|70|June 23 to 26, 2006|link=List of Italian event Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|Top 10 Distribution Suicune|Spanish|Spain|70|June 27 to August 27, 2006|link=List of Spanish event Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|Bryant Park Suicune|English|United States|70|August 8, 2006|link=List of Bryant Park event Pokémon distributions#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|Top 10 Distribution Suicune|German|Germany|70|September 24 to November 5, 2006|link=List of German event Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|Top 10 Distribution Suicune|French|France|70|September 26, 2006|link=List of French event Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|Top 10 Distribution Suicune|English|United Kingdom|70|October 14 to November 19, 2006|link=List of English event Pokémon distributions in Generation III#Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPP}}{{gameabbrev3|HGSS}}|Crown Suicune|Japanese|Japan|30|June 18 to August 31, 2010|link=List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Crown Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPP}}{{gameabbrev3|HGSS}}|Crown City Suicune|Korean|South Korea|30|December 16, 2010 to January 9, 2011|link=List of local Korean event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Crown City Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPP}}{{gameabbrev3|HGSS}}|GameStop Suicune|English|North America|30|January 31 to February 6, 2011|link=List of local English event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#GameStop Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPP}}{{gameabbrev3|HGSS}}|Winter 2011 Suicune|English|Wi-Fi|30|February 21 to 27, 2011|link=List of Wi-Fi English event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Winter 2011 Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPP}}{{gameabbrev3|HGSS}}|Winter 2011 Suicune|French|Wi-Fi|30|February 21 to 27, 2011|link=List of Wi-Fi French event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Winter 2011 Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPP}}{{gameabbrev3|HGSS}}|Winter 2011 Suicune|German|Wi-Fi|30|February 21 to 27, 2011|link=List of Wi-Fi German event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Winter 2011 Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPP}}{{gameabbrev3|HGSS}}|Winter 2011 Suicune|Italian|Wi-Fi|30|February 21 to 27, 2011|link=List of Wi-Fi Italian event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Winter 2011 Suicune}}
{{eventAvail|{{gameabbrev3|DPP}}{{gameabbrev3|HGSS}}|Winter 2011 Suicune|Spanish|Wi-Fi|30|February 21 to 27, 2011|link=List of Wi-Fi Spanish event Pokémon distributions in Generation IV#Winter 2011 Suicune}}
|}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems|type=water
|event1=Rowap Berry|event1type=Berry|event1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=water|
HP= 100 |
Attack= 75 |
Defense=115 |
SpAtk= 90 |
SpDef= 115 |
Speed= 85 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Water
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=3
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=4
|JumpMax=4
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Water|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 200 |
Electric=200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
notes=yes|
waterabsorb=maybe}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Suicune|Water|Water|5|2}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|BubbleBeam|Water|Special|65|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Gust|Flying|Special|40|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|Aurora Beam|Ice|Special|65|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|43|Mirror Coat|Psychic|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|Ice Fang|Ice|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Tailwind|Flying|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|64|Extrasensory|Psychic|Special|80|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|71|Hydro Pump|Water|Special|120|80|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|78|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|85|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Suicune|Water|Water|5|2}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Suicune|Water|Water|5|2}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM55|Scald|Water|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM60|Quash|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM95|Snarl|Dark|Special|55|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM03|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM05|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM06|Dive|Water|Physical|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Suicune|Water|Water|5|2}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Suicune|Water|Water|5|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Suicune|Water|Water|5|2}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Suicune|Water|Water|5|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Signal Beam|Bug|Special|75|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Tailwind|Flying|Status|—|—|30|||no|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Suicune|Water|Water|5|2}}

====By {{pkmn2|event}}s====
{{learnlist/eventh|Suicune|Water|Water|5|2}}
{{learnlist/event5null}}
{{learnlist/eventf|Suicune|Water|Water|5|2}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=water |
ndex=245 |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=0.1 |
area=Sacred Field |
P1=Let us go! The north wind will be our ally! |
P2=This is serious... Half my HP has been expended already... |
P3=This is it... The power of the north wind fails to reach me... |
PL=I've leveled up! May the north wind empower me! |
Ranger=yes |
group=Water |
assist=Water |
field=Soak |
fieldpower=3 |
loop=17 |
MinEXP=550 |
MaxEXP=600 |
browser=Suicune moves so fast it leaves images of itself. Its real form is said to be unseen. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=2 |
rate2=6.4 |
iq=D |
rumble2=yes |
rumble2attack=3|
rumble2defense=5|
rumble2speed=3|
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Water |
assist3=Water |
field3=None |
field3power=- |
browser3=It uses pillars of water and whirlpools to attack. |
Pad=Suicune sought out the PokéPark in order to see the aurora. Suicune is awesome at {{DL|Attractions|Empoleon's Snow Slide}}. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|sprite1=245
|name1=Suicune
|type1-1=Water}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=water|
gen=2|
gender=none|
ndex=245|
name=Suicune|
}}

==Trivia==
* Suicune is the only member of the legendary beast trio that does not require the [[Mystery Part and Secret Slab|Mystery Part or Secret Slab]] to appear to the player in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]] as items cannot be taken into the [[Final Maze]].
* Suicune's moveset was changed between {{2v|Gold|Silver}} and {{v2|Crystal}} to remove {{m|Roar}}, as it became a stationary Pokémon. This change carried over into later games, making Suicune the only one of [[Legendary beasts|the roaming trio]] that cannot Roar its opponent away in {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}. It returned to its Crystal status as a stationary Pokémon in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}.
* Although Suicune is part of Johto's [[legendary trio]], it is battled in Kanto in {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}. {{p|Moltres}} has a similar situation, but in reverse.
** However, unlike Moltres, if Suicune is knocked out on {{rt|25|Kanto}}, it will return to the [[Burned Tower]] in Johto where it can be re-challenged.
* The order that the beasts appears in the National Pokédex is the order of the events that happened at the Burned Tower: the lightning that started the fire (Raikou), the fire that consumed the Brass Tower (Entei) and the rain that quenched the fire (Suicune).
* A {{Shiny}} Suicune's mane is dark blue in the handheld games from Generation III onwards, but in the 3D games it is black.
* Suicune's {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} sprite shows that the crest on its head is the same color as its mane. However, this was corrected in {{v2|Crystal}}.
* Suicune's number in the [[National Pokédex]] and the [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Johto Pokédex]] are the same: 245.
* Suicune was the first Pokémon to receive its own game music.

===Origin===

Suicune is thought to have been based on numerous creatures and mythological deities, mainly the {{wp|Qilin}} or "Kirin", an Eastern legend that has traits of {{wp|chinese dragons}}, {{wp|unicorns}}, {{wp|deer}}, {{wp|big cats}}, and other beasts. The Qilin was said to be able to walk on water and is known to be a powerful and peaceful creature. The crest on Suicune's head roughly matches the description of the beast's antlers. It also appears that Suicune, unlike its kin, is a herbivore due to its molar teeth, which further relates it to the Qilin. The spots of Suicune are also significant, seeming to combine the spots of a {{wp|leopard}}, taking homage from {{wp|Fujin}}, the Shinto god of The North Wind, who wears leopard skin. Leopards themselves are found in Asia and are featured in myths that show it is a widely respected sacred animal like the Qilin. The way it runs and roars in the anime may also relate to the leopard. Suicune's anatomy may also be based on the {{wp|cheetah}}, which is considerable, due to the fact that cheetahs and leopards, both being swift, sleek spotted cats, are often confused with each other and thought to be the same animal. Being a Pokémon that represents the wind and rain, Suicune may also be based on some of the world's numerous myths of wind goddesses, such as Anitong Tabo, who according to the {{wp|Deities of Philippine mythology|Philippine mythology}}, was the goddess of winds and rains. Suicune's mane is meant to resemble a northern {{wp|aurora}}.

====Name origin====
Suicune may be a combination of 水 ''sui'' (water) and 君 ''kun'' (monarch). The [[Pokémon Crystal Version|game title]] it is the mascot of suggests that it may derive from 水晶 ''suishō'' (crystal).

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=water|type2=water
|ja=スイクン ''Suikun''|jameaning=From {{tt|水 ''sui''|water}}, {{tt|水晶 ''suishō''|crystal}}, and {{tt|君 ''kun''|monarch}}
|fr=Suicune|frmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|es=Suicune|esmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|de=Suicune|demeaning=Same as Japanese name
|it=Suicune|itmeaning=Same as Japanese name
|ko=스이쿤 ''Suikun''|komeaning=Transliteration of its Japanese name
|zh_cmn=水君 ''Shuǐjūn''|zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|水君 ''Suikun''|water monarch}}.
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==Related articles==
* [[Suicune (M04)]]
* [[Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime#Suicune|Suicune (anime)]]
* [[Legendary beasts (M13)]]
* [[Legendary beasts]]

==External links==
*{{wp|Suicune|Article on Wikipedia}}

==Notes==

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List of unused Pokémon and character designs

2012-09-28T02:05:33Z

TJF: /* Pokémon designs */ Revamped a lot of the "Unknown" sheep pokemon's section.

There are Pokémon and characters that were just a few of many different designs that [[Game Freak]] created. Only a few were added, and even those often went through redesigns before making it into the final product.

==Unreleased Pokémon==
===[[Capsule Monsters]] designs===
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Buhi
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Buhi.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #124, the same as {{p|Jynx}}'s.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Papyō
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Papyo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #211, the same as {{p|Qwilfish}}'s.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Oviparous creature
|type1=Unknown
|img=Oviparous Capsule Monster.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=[[File:Spr_5b_Egg.png|right]]In the artwork featuring early versions of Red and Rhydon inside a cave, an unidentified Pokémon can be seen. It appears to be hatching from an {{pkmn|Egg}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Godzillante & Gorillaimo
|type1=Fire
|type2=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Godzillante Gorillaimo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=[[File:248Tyranitar.png|150px|right]][[File:289Slaking.png|150px|right]]Nothing is known about this first Pokémon 'Godzillante'. It may have been {{type|Fire}}, as it is shown to be breathing fire. As its name implies, it was most likely based on {{wp|Godzilla}}. Godzillante notably shares a resemblance to one of the [http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/pm_01/09_fake_pokemon.jpg fake Pokémon toys] shown in the [[Pokémon Pocket Monsters]] manga volume 1 (p. 107). The japanese name of {{p|Tyranitar}} is also based on Godzilla. Nothing is known about the second Pokémon 'Gorillaimo'. Its hat could be a reference to the character {{wb|Ninten}} from the {{wb|Ape Inc.}} game, {{wb|Mother (video game)|Mother}}. It also resembles the [[Nintendo]] character [[dk:Donkey Kong|Donkey Kong]]. Gorillaimo could also be based on King Kong. Later generations have introduced many ape-based Pokémon. {{p|Slaking}} is the most notable, as it shares the most physical traits with Gorillaimo.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dragon4
|type1=Dragon
|img=Capsule Monsters Dragon4.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=[[File:006Charizard.png|150px|right]]Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #174, the same as {{p|Igglybuff}}'s. It has short arms, a long tail, two horns on the back of its head and average dragon-like wings, just like {{p|Charizard}}.}}

===Pokémon designs===
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kurusu
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha kurusu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=The only known information about this creature is its name and image. In the playable alpha demo of Gold and Silver, its National Pokédex number was 212, it was a {{type|Water}}, and knew the moves {{m|Growl}}, {{m|Water Gun}}, and {{m|Tackle}}. Despite its Pokédex numbering, it was the Water-type starter in said demo. Since it resembles a seal, some fans believe it may have inspired {{p|Spheal}}'s design, but they are no more similar than either of them is to {{p|Seel}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Honōguma
|type1=Fire
|img=Alpha honouguma.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc= Like Kurusu above, its name and image are all that is known about it. While not confirmed, its name, a combination of 炎 ''honō'', flame, and 熊 ''kuma'', bear, almost definitely indicates it was a {{type|Fire}} Pokémon. In the alpha, it was a {{type|Fire}}, and knew the moves Ember, Scratch, and Leer; it was the Fire-type starter. Given its name refers to it as a bear, some fans believe it could have been an early version of the {{p|Teddiursa}} evolution family.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kage no Mushi
|type1=Bug
|type2=Grass
|img=Alpha insect.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:540Sewaddle.png|150px|right]]Nothing is known about this Pokémon, other than its artwork and file name on a Japanese web archive, where it was nicknamed "kage no mushi", which literally means "Shadow Insect" or "Shadow Bug" . Its artwork is notably drawn in the art style of other [[Generation II]] concept art. It has a large leaf covering its body, indicating that it would likely have been {{type|Grass}}. Generation V introduced an insect-like Pokémon with a leaf on its head named {{p|Sewaddle}}. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed creature
|type1=Unknown
|img=Alpha top.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:237Hitmontop.png|150px|right]]Artwork was created for this strange creature, even though it was never given a name. Its extremely odd appearance is somewhat similar to {{p|Hitmontop}}; namely, the multiple feet around its midsection. Although this creature has its point located on its bottom, and Hitmontop has its point located on its head, this creature may have been redesigned as Hitmontop. Due to its size, it would seem unlikely that it was originally part of the {{p|Tyrogue}} evolution line. It also bears some resemblance to {{p|Clefairy}}. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed turtle
|type1=Unknown
|img=Alpha turtle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:564Tirtouga.png|200px|right]]Nothing is known about this turtle Pokémon. Notably, it barely resembles anything that was released in Generation II. It bears a resemblance to {{p|Tirtouga}} from [[Generation V]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed sheep
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Game Freak
|epname=Game Freak interview
|desc={{Bulbanews|Unused Pokémon design revealed in magazine interview}}Nothing is known about this Pokémon, nor is there any artwork of it known to exist. [[Junichi Masuda]] and [[Ken Sugimori]] revealed in an interview with @Gamer magazine that there was a rejected Pokémon design based on the first cloned sheep, {{wp|Dolly (sheep)|Dolly}}. They removed it after deeming it "too controversial" for Pokémon. Since Dolly was born almost eight months after the Japanese release of Pokémon Red and Green, it is likely that this Pokémon would have been intended for [[Generation II]].}}

==Altered Pokémon==
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Gengar & Nidorino
|type1=Poison
|type2=Ghost
|img=Capsule Monsters Cover.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Gengar (Pokémon)}}[[File:094Gengar.png|100px|right]][[File:033Nidorino.png|100px|right]] {{main|Nidorino (Pokémon)}} An early version of Gengar, and a creature with traits of Nidorino, {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Feraligatr}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kokana
|type1=Bug
|img=Kokana.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc={{main|Weedle (Pokémon)}}[[File:013Weedle.png|100px|right]] An early version of Weedle. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kasanagi
|type1=Bug
|img=Kasanagi.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=The evolution of Kokana. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997. It was replaced by {{p|Kakuna}}, although they share little similarities.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kasanagi evolution
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|img=Kasanagi evolution.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=The evolution of Kasanagi. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997, labelled as "undecided". Like its pre-evolution, it was replaced by {{p|Beedrill}}, but it somewhat resembles {{p|Ledian}} and a cockroach.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Poliwag
|type1=Water
|img=Prototype Poliwag.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Poliwag (Pokémon)}}[[File:060Poliwag.png|100px|right]] An early version of Poliwag. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Nyosuka
|type1=Water
|img=Nyosuka.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Poliwhirl (Pokémon)}}[[File:061Poliwhirl.png|100px|right]] {{main|Poliwrath (Pokémon)}}[[File:062Poliwrath.png|100px|right]] An early version of Poliwrath. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997. Notably it is wearing a crown, similar to the [[King's Rock]] necessary to evolve Poliwhirl into {{p|Politoed}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dragonair
|type1=Dragon
|img=Prototype Dragonair.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Dragonair (Pokémon)}}[[File:148Dragonair.png|100px|right]] An early version of Dragonair. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Happa
|type1=Grass
|img=Alpha happa.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Chikorita (Pokémon)}}[[File:152Chikorita.png|160px|right]] Happa's name simply means "leaf" in Japanese. Happa is the early version of Chikorita. Happa resembles Chikorita without its body and legs. In the alpha, its Pokédex number was 152 and it knew the moves Leech Seed, Tackle, and an unknown move called "Serene".}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Ledyba
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|img=Rediba Silver Title Cutscene Concept.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Ledyba (Pokémon)}}[[File:165Ledyba.png|130px|right]] An early version of Ledyba. Unlike the final design, it has a black abdomen rather than a cream colored one. It also has a single pair of hands, and a pair of feet, and it appears to be headless, with its eyes and antenna attached to its body.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Marill
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha mariru.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Marill (Pokémon)}}[[File:183Marill.png|200px|right]] An early version of Marill. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. The pink/purple color is the main difference as well as the notably missing large ears. It also sports a thinner body, more resembling a rodent, but does not sport Marill's erratic tail pattern, though with this being a concept art, small details were most likely not a concern at the time.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Girafarig
|type1=Normal
|type2=Psychic
|img=Alpha kirinriki.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Girafarig (Pokémon)}}[[File:203Girafarig.png|130px|right]] This concept art of Girafarig shows the original design contained two full-sized giraffe heads, instead of the final version's one. It is also unknown why the design was changed, but overall it remains mostly similar outside of some coloring differences (though, because this is concept art, specific coloring details were most likely not considered at the time). This design might be reference to Girafarig's name being a [[wp:Palindrome|palindrome]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bukū
|type1=Water
|type2=Poison
|img=Alpha bukuu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Qwilfish (Pokémon)}}[[File:211Qwilfish.png|190px|right]] Bukū's name is derived from "fugu", the Japanese word for blowfish. It is most likely an early version of Qwilfish. Notable differences between Qwilfish and this pre-release version are the colors, and shape of the tail. However, the shape of the tail does appear slightly similar to the length of the tail in Qwilfish's [[Generation II]] back sprite. However, this was just an error and no other generation shows Qwilfish's tail that short.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Torchic
|type1=Fire
|img=Torchic Beta2.jpg
|img2=Torchic Beta.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Torchic (Pokémon)}}[[File:255Torchic RS.png|100px|right]] This early version of Torchic shows its lower body covered by an eggshell, with the fluff going all around its neck and wing-shaped ears. The other beta design is nearly identical to the current Torchic, aside from the large floppy ears, rather than its final design's flame shaped feathers on its head, and a flame-shaped marking on the back of its head.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blaziken / Latias
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Blaziken (Pokémon)}}[[File:257Blaziken.png|70px|right]][[File:380Latias.png|70px|right]] {{main|Latias (Pokémon)}} Sometimes referred to as Latiaziken or Latiken by fans, this beta image from Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire depicts a creature with traits of both {{p|Latias}} and {{p|Blaziken}}. In appearance, it more closely resembles Blaziken. However, some features, including the size, are more similar to Latias. Some of its features do not resemble those of either Pokémon, such as the hands.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Shellos & Gastrodon
|type1=water
|type2=ground
|img=Spr b 4d 422b.png
|img2=Spr b 4d 423b.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Shellos (Pokémon)}}[[File:422Shellos-East.png|75px|right]][[File:422Shellos-West.png|75px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-East.png|105px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-West.png|105px|right]] {{main|Gastrodon (Pokémon)}} Prototype back sprites of Shellos and Gastrodon show an another form for each. These forms are possibly leftovers from when Shellos and Gastrodon were planned to be in Generation III. Shellos's sprite is pink, like its West Sea variation, and seems to combine the western variation's head with the Eastern variation's body, while Gastrodon's sprite is brown and looks like its Western variation, but with more rock-like protrusions on its body. Gastrodon's Platinum Pokédex entry appears to reference its beta sprite.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick= Deino, Zweilous, Hydreigon
|type1=dark
|type2=dragon
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc= [[File:635Hydreigon.png|100px|right]] Hydreigon's evolutionary line was originally meant to be army/military styled Dragon designs.

Ken Sugimori: "Deino, Zweilous, Hydreigon. At first, these incorporated an army tank motif, and the marks that look like a conveyor belt on the upper part of Zweilous’s legs are the remnants of that. Initially, they didn’t work as designs and were basically ‘put to sleep’, however, a three-stage powerful Dragon-type family was ordered and they were resurrected."}}

===Minor alterations===

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blastoise & Staryu
|type1=Water
|img=Early Blastoise and Staryu sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Blastoise (Pokémon)}}[[File:009Blastoise.png|70px|right]][[File:120Staryu.png|70px|right]] {{main|Staryu (Pokémon)}} In this early depiction of a {{pkmn|battle}}, {{p|Blastoise}} is without its signature {{m|Hydro Cannon|water cannons}}. In its original context, this picture is captioned "Karabajio VS. Mimii", which are not the names of any known Pokémon.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Lapras
|type1=Water
|type2=Ice
|img=Early Lapras sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Lapras (Pokémon)}}[[File:131Lapras.png|150px|right]] An early version of Lapras. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. Notably Lapras's curly ears are not present. Under the chin the pattern appears different, blending in with the texture of the rest of the head. There are also no visible appendages or tail but that may be due to the water. However, it bears a striking resemblance to its [[Lapras (Pokémon)#Sprites|Generation I back sprite]]. Also in the sketch is an early design of {{ga|Red}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|pkmn=Kakuna
|type1=Bug
|type2=Poison
|img=Spr_1b_014.png
|img2=Bandai_Kakuna_card.jpg
|epnum=Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards
|epname=Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards
|desc={{main|Kakuna (Pokémon)}} [[File:014Kakuna.png|right]]The "arms" on Kakuna seen in its Red and Blue sprite are commonly mistaken to be a sprite error, as they are rarely shown in any other media. They have so far only been shown on its Red and Blue sprite and a [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards|Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Card]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bellossom
|type1=Grass
|img=182Bellossom GS.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Bellossom (Pokémon)}}[[File:182Bellossom.png|190px|right]] Both early artwork of Bellossom and its Gold and Silver artwork show that it was originally to be a similar color to its other evolutionary relatives. A possible explanation for this change would be the intention to avoid another [[Pokémon controversy#Racism|racial controversy]], as the original Bellossom design appears similar to traditional {{wp|polynesia|polynesian}} dress. However, this is unlikely to be the case.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Tyranitar
|type1=Rock
|type2=Dark
|img=Alpha tyranitar.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Tyranitar (Pokémon)}}[[File:248Tyranitar.png|230px|right]] This early version of Tyranitar is nearly identical to the design seen in the finalized Gold and Silver versions. It was shown alongside two unnamed Pokémon (seen in the section above) on the cover of a Japanese gaming magazine, where it was the only early design to become a released Pokémon. It has very few differences compared to the final version. Of these differences, the early Tyranitar design is more heavy-set, has a tan rather than indigo belly, has arms more reminiscent of Nidoking, and dozens of short spikes upon its back rather than a few long ones. It seems peculiar that Tyranitar was nearly completed at the time, but the other two featured Pokémon were never seen in their original designs.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Treecko
|type1=Grass
|img=Treecko concept art.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Treecko (Pokémon)}}[[File:252Treecko RS.png|150px|right]] Concept art of Treecko shows numerous designs for the creature before the final design was decided. Many of these early sketches more closely resemble real geckos than the final product, which would later gain a more elongated head shape and a rounder nose.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Groudon
|type1=Ground
|img=Groudon Beta.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Groudon (Pokémon)}}[[File:383Groudon.png|230px|right]] In its early design, it had a different shape to its eyes, one more set of spikes on the torso, one less spike on the tail, one of the spikes on the neck moved to the head on the final design, overall shapes are much less sharp, head details became much more elongated in the final version, and the weather trio signature body markings are not present.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, the red markings on its body were mirrored. However, it was changed to its current appearance the next video it appeared in.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Throh and Sawk
|type1=Fighting
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Throh (Pokémon)}}[[File:538Throh.png|100px|right]] {{main|Sawk (Pokémon)}}[[File:539Sawk.png|100px|right]] According to interviews with [[Ken Sugimori]] in ''Nintendo Dream'', during development, Sawk and Throh both had horns making them look more like Oni. However, they were replaced with eyebrows so as not to clash with {{p|Tornadus}} and {{p|Thundurus}}, who both were originally designed to be red and blue, like Throh and Sawk.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Stunfisk
|type1=Ground
|type2=Electric
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Stunfisk (Pokémon)}}[[File:618Stunfisk.png|200px|right]] Stunfisk was originally designed with an Angler Fish in mind, but obviously turned out a bit different. It was also a Water/Electric type but was changed to Ground/Electric to balance out the type spread of Pokémon.}}

==Unreleased characters==

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Shopkeeper
|type1=Red
|type2=Green
|img=Mart Sketch.jpg
|img2=
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Early [[Capsule Monsters]] artwork was shown in the book Satoshi Tajiri: A Man Who Created Pokémon, revealing an unknown male character running a shop, or what would possibly become an early version of the [[Poké Mart]]. The character is almost bald, has long eyebrows and appears to be overweight. He is presented in a similar art style to the sumo enemies from [[wikipedia:Game Freak|Game Freak]]'s debut title, Quinty (localized as [[wikipedia:Mendel Palace|Mendel Palace]]).
}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female main character
|type1=LeafGreen
|type2=Black
|img=Sugimori Starter artwork.png
|img2=Early Leaf.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=[[File:Red, Green and Blue Adventures.png|right|200px]]
This art of a female character (with {{p|Squirtle}}) was featured on the cover artwork for the official strategy guide for {{2v2|Red|Green|}}, as published by [[Shogakukan]].  A similar character appears [[a:File:Sugi art book.png|several]] [[a:File:Kensugiart3.png|times]] in unofficial artbooks that came packaged with Pokémon origami sets (bottom). The artbooks were, however, illustrated by Emiko Yoshino rather than Ken Sugimori. When Red and Green were later [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|remade]], players finally got the chance to use a {{ga|Leaf|female player character}} who was possibly based on this character.

In the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, a similar artwork was featured in the Red volume of [[The Best of Pokémon Adventures]] (right). The design of the character {{adv|Green}} seems to have drawn inspiration from this unknown female character. After the release of {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}, Green donned the same outfit as the female player character in the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen|fifth chapter}} of the manga, namely due to their near exact resemblance.
}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Trainer
|type1=Ground
|type2=Water
|img=Alpha girltrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=This unnamed female {{pkmn|Trainer}} art was revealed in [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|a magazine]] prior to Generation II but never officially released. It is unknown who this Trainer was supposed to represent, be it a main character, a supporting character, or just an NPC. Visually, she has similarities to multiple Trainer classes. Her age and appearance make her appear similar to a {{tc|Beauty}} or {{tc|Ace Trainer|Cool Trainer}}, but her outfit is similar to a {{tc|Lass}} or {{tc|Picnicker}}. There is an object on her shirt that looks like what could have been a Gym Badge. This Badge has a rain drop on it, meaning she could have been a Water-type Gym Leader.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Male Trainer
|type1=Poison
|img=Alpha boytrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=Hiding in the background of the [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|same magazine]] as the female Trainer above was a male Trainer that was never used. As with the female Trainer, it is unknown if he was designed as a main character, or supporting character, or was simply representing a Trainer class. He has hints of multiple classes, such as a {{tc|Tamer}}, {{tc|Psychic}}, {{tc|Juggler}}, {{tc|Burglar}}, {{tc|Poké Maniac|PokéManiac}}, {{tc|PI|Gambler}} and a male Rocket {{tc|Executive}}. There is an object on his bandana that looks like what could have been a Gym Badge. This Badge has a red diamond on it. Due to the dark colors used and the fact that he is pictured with Tyranitar, it is possible he was a Dark-type Gym Leader. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Latiken Trainer
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=[[File:Latias_Latios.png|240px|right]]There is an unused Trainer seen on the beta sketch of Latiken. It is very difficult to tell what this Trainer's role in the games was, although she somewhat resembles Clair, the Blackthorn City Gym Leader in Johto. Whether she was a player character, rival, or supporting character is currently unknown. This character has a strong resemblance to the character shown riding Latios in other art.}}

==Unknown cries==

===In {{2v2|Red|Blue}}===
Within the coding of Pokémon Red and Blue, data exists for nine unused Pokémon cries. <ref>[http://iimarck.us/i/missing-number Missing Number - IIMarckus]</ref> The cries are defined accordingly to the Pokémon's [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation I)|index numbers]]. Whereas cry data for 30 [[Missingno.]] are left blank, resulting in voice 0 ({{p|Nidorino}}), pitch 0 and length 0 cries, there are a number of remaining cries which appear to have been defined intentionally. Cry 181 is notably similar to {{p|Crobat}}'s cry in {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}.

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 67
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 0, Pitch 128, Length 16.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 69
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 29, Pitch 244, Length 64.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 79
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 34, Pitch 255, Length 64.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 81
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 14, Pitch 224, Length 96.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 94
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 15, Pitch 64, Length 192.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 95
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 15, Pitch 32, Length 192.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 127
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 17, Pitch 32, Length 16.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 137
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 15, Pitch 64, Length 128.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 181
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 29, Pitch 0, Length 128.}}

{{youtubevid|ZYEeLYSM5P0|ChickasaurusGL|Blue}}

===In {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}===
In a [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta#Prototype Ruby|leaked German version]] of Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, labelled 'Debugging Version 0509A' the cries of Pokémon with index numbers 252-276 are playable in the 'Driver Test' menu. Although these Pokémon normally correspond with [[? (glitch Pokémon)|?]], they have the cries of existing Pokémon exclusively to the Driver Test, suggesting that they may have once been real Pokémon.

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 266
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=There is an unused Pokémon cry assigned to index number 266.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 269
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=There is an unused Pokémon cry assigned to index number 269.}}

{{youtubevid|sGqhLcUzOwU|ChickasaurusGL|Ruby}}

==See also==
* [[Beta Pokémon games]]

==References==
<references/>
[[Category:Characters]]

[[de:Unveröffentlichte Pokémon und Charaktere]]
[[it:Prototipi di Pokémon e personaggi]]
[[ja:没ポケモンの一覧]]
[[pl:Niepublikowane Pokémony]]

List of unused Pokémon and character designs

2012-09-28T01:48:28Z

TJF: Actually, I misread that. Reverting my wording change. Sorry, everyone.

There are Pokémon and characters that were just a few of many different designs that [[Game Freak]] created. Only a few were added, and even those often went through redesigns before making it into the final product.

==Unreleased Pokémon==
===[[Capsule Monsters]] designs===
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Buhi
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Buhi.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #124, the same as {{p|Jynx}}'s.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Papyō
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Papyo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #211, the same as {{p|Qwilfish}}'s.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Oviparous creature
|type1=Unknown
|img=Oviparous Capsule Monster.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=[[File:Spr_5b_Egg.png|right]]In the artwork featuring early versions of Red and Rhydon inside a cave, an unidentified Pokémon can be seen. It appears to be hatching from an {{pkmn|Egg}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Godzillante & Gorillaimo
|type1=Fire
|type2=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Godzillante Gorillaimo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=[[File:248Tyranitar.png|150px|right]][[File:289Slaking.png|150px|right]]Nothing is known about this first Pokémon 'Godzillante'. It may have been {{type|Fire}}, as it is shown to be breathing fire. As its name implies, it was most likely based on {{wp|Godzilla}}. Godzillante notably shares a resemblance to one of the [http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/pm_01/09_fake_pokemon.jpg fake Pokémon toys] shown in the [[Pokémon Pocket Monsters]] manga volume 1 (p. 107). The japanese name of {{p|Tyranitar}} is also based on Godzilla. Nothing is known about the second Pokémon 'Gorillaimo'. Its hat could be a reference to the character {{wb|Ninten}} from the {{wb|Ape Inc.}} game, {{wb|Mother (video game)|Mother}}. It also resembles the [[Nintendo]] character [[dk:Donkey Kong|Donkey Kong]]. Gorillaimo could also be based on King Kong. Later generations have introduced many ape-based Pokémon. {{p|Slaking}} is the most notable, as it shares the most physical traits with Gorillaimo.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dragon4
|type1=Dragon
|img=Capsule Monsters Dragon4.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=[[File:006Charizard.png|150px|right]]Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #174, the same as {{p|Igglybuff}}'s. It has short arms, a long tail, two horns on the back of its head and average dragon-like wings, just like {{p|Charizard}}.}}

===Pokémon designs===
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kurusu
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha kurusu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=The only known information about this creature is its name and image. In the playable alpha demo of Gold and Silver, its National Pokédex number was 212, it was a {{type|Water}}, and knew the moves {{m|Growl}}, {{m|Water Gun}}, and {{m|Tackle}}. Despite its Pokédex numbering, it was the Water-type starter in said demo. Since it resembles a seal, some fans believe it may have inspired {{p|Spheal}}'s design, but they are no more similar than either of them is to {{p|Seel}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Honōguma
|type1=Fire
|img=Alpha honouguma.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc= Like Kurusu above, its name and image are all that is known about it. While not confirmed, its name, a combination of 炎 ''honō'', flame, and 熊 ''kuma'', bear, almost definitely indicates it was a {{type|Fire}} Pokémon. In the alpha, it was a {{type|Fire}}, and knew the moves Ember, Scratch, and Leer; it was the Fire-type starter. Given its name refers to it as a bear, some fans believe it could have been an early version of the {{p|Teddiursa}} evolution family.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kage no Mushi
|type1=Bug
|type2=Grass
|img=Alpha insect.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:540Sewaddle.png|150px|right]]Nothing is known about this Pokémon, other than its artwork and file name on a Japanese web archive, where it was nicknamed "kage no mushi", which literally means "Shadow Insect" or "Shadow Bug" . Its artwork is notably drawn in the art style of other [[Generation II]] concept art. It has a large leaf covering its body, indicating that it would likely have been {{type|Grass}}. Generation V introduced an insect-like Pokémon with a leaf on its head named {{p|Sewaddle}}. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed creature
|type1=Unknown
|img=Alpha top.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:237Hitmontop.png|150px|right]]Artwork was created for this strange creature, even though it was never given a name. Its extremely odd appearance is somewhat similar to {{p|Hitmontop}}; namely, the multiple feet around its midsection. Although this creature has its point located on its bottom, and Hitmontop has its point located on its head, this creature may have been redesigned as Hitmontop. Due to its size, it would seem unlikely that it was originally part of the {{p|Tyrogue}} evolution line. It also bears some resemblance to {{p|Clefairy}}. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed turtle
|type1=Unknown
|img=Alpha turtle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:564Tirtouga.png|200px|right]]Nothing is known about this turtle Pokémon. Notably, it barely resembles anything that was released in Generation II. It bears a resemblance to {{p|Tirtouga}} from [[Generation V]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed sheep
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Game Freak
|epname=Game Freak interview
|desc={{Bulbanews|Unused Pokémon design revealed in magazine interview}}Nothing is known about this Pokémon, nor is there any artwork of it known to exist. An interview in @Gamer magazine with Junichi Masuda and Ken Sugimori, the development and art directors, respectively, of Game Freak, revealed that there was a rejected Pokémon design, based on the {{wp|Dolly (sheep)|first cloned sheep}}, but it was deemed to be "too controversial" Since Dolly, the cloned sheep, was born several months after the release of Pokémon Red and Green in Japan, it is more likely that this Pokémon would have been intended for [[Generation II]].}}

==Altered Pokémon==
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Gengar & Nidorino
|type1=Poison
|type2=Ghost
|img=Capsule Monsters Cover.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Gengar (Pokémon)}}[[File:094Gengar.png|100px|right]][[File:033Nidorino.png|100px|right]] {{main|Nidorino (Pokémon)}} An early version of Gengar, and a creature with traits of Nidorino, {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Feraligatr}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kokana
|type1=Bug
|img=Kokana.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc={{main|Weedle (Pokémon)}}[[File:013Weedle.png|100px|right]] An early version of Weedle. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kasanagi
|type1=Bug
|img=Kasanagi.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=The evolution of Kokana. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997. It was replaced by {{p|Kakuna}}, although they share little similarities.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kasanagi evolution
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|img=Kasanagi evolution.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=The evolution of Kasanagi. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997, labelled as "undecided". Like its pre-evolution, it was replaced by {{p|Beedrill}}, but it somewhat resembles {{p|Ledian}} and a cockroach.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Poliwag
|type1=Water
|img=Prototype Poliwag.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Poliwag (Pokémon)}}[[File:060Poliwag.png|100px|right]] An early version of Poliwag. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Nyosuka
|type1=Water
|img=Nyosuka.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Poliwhirl (Pokémon)}}[[File:061Poliwhirl.png|100px|right]] {{main|Poliwrath (Pokémon)}}[[File:062Poliwrath.png|100px|right]] An early version of Poliwrath. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997. Notably it is wearing a crown, similar to the [[King's Rock]] necessary to evolve Poliwhirl into {{p|Politoed}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dragonair
|type1=Dragon
|img=Prototype Dragonair.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Dragonair (Pokémon)}}[[File:148Dragonair.png|100px|right]] An early version of Dragonair. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Happa
|type1=Grass
|img=Alpha happa.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Chikorita (Pokémon)}}[[File:152Chikorita.png|160px|right]] Happa's name simply means "leaf" in Japanese. Happa is the early version of Chikorita. Happa resembles Chikorita without its body and legs. In the alpha, its Pokédex number was 152 and it knew the moves Leech Seed, Tackle, and an unknown move called "Serene".}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Ledyba
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|img=Rediba Silver Title Cutscene Concept.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Ledyba (Pokémon)}}[[File:165Ledyba.png|130px|right]] An early version of Ledyba. Unlike the final design, it has a black abdomen rather than a cream colored one. It also has a single pair of hands, and a pair of feet, and it appears to be headless, with its eyes and antenna attached to its body.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Marill
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha mariru.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Marill (Pokémon)}}[[File:183Marill.png|200px|right]] An early version of Marill. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. The pink/purple color is the main difference as well as the notably missing large ears. It also sports a thinner body, more resembling a rodent, but does not sport Marill's erratic tail pattern, though with this being a concept art, small details were most likely not a concern at the time.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Girafarig
|type1=Normal
|type2=Psychic
|img=Alpha kirinriki.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Girafarig (Pokémon)}}[[File:203Girafarig.png|130px|right]] This concept art of Girafarig shows the original design contained two full-sized giraffe heads, instead of the final version's one. It is also unknown why the design was changed, but overall it remains mostly similar outside of some coloring differences (though, because this is concept art, specific coloring details were most likely not considered at the time). This design might be reference to Girafarig's name being a [[wp:Palindrome|palindrome]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bukū
|type1=Water
|type2=Poison
|img=Alpha bukuu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Qwilfish (Pokémon)}}[[File:211Qwilfish.png|190px|right]] Bukū's name is derived from "fugu", the Japanese word for blowfish. It is most likely an early version of Qwilfish. Notable differences between Qwilfish and this pre-release version are the colors, and shape of the tail. However, the shape of the tail does appear slightly similar to the length of the tail in Qwilfish's [[Generation II]] back sprite. However, this was just an error and no other generation shows Qwilfish's tail that short.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Torchic
|type1=Fire
|img=Torchic Beta2.jpg
|img2=Torchic Beta.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Torchic (Pokémon)}}[[File:255Torchic RS.png|100px|right]] This early version of Torchic shows its lower body covered by an eggshell, with the fluff going all around its neck and wing-shaped ears. The other beta design is nearly identical to the current Torchic, aside from the large floppy ears, rather than its final design's flame shaped feathers on its head, and a flame-shaped marking on the back of its head.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blaziken / Latias
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Blaziken (Pokémon)}}[[File:257Blaziken.png|70px|right]][[File:380Latias.png|70px|right]] {{main|Latias (Pokémon)}} Sometimes referred to as Latiaziken or Latiken by fans, this beta image from Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire depicts a creature with traits of both {{p|Latias}} and {{p|Blaziken}}. In appearance, it more closely resembles Blaziken. However, some features, including the size, are more similar to Latias. Some of its features do not resemble those of either Pokémon, such as the hands.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Shellos & Gastrodon
|type1=water
|type2=ground
|img=Spr b 4d 422b.png
|img2=Spr b 4d 423b.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Shellos (Pokémon)}}[[File:422Shellos-East.png|75px|right]][[File:422Shellos-West.png|75px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-East.png|105px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-West.png|105px|right]] {{main|Gastrodon (Pokémon)}} Prototype back sprites of Shellos and Gastrodon show an another form for each. These forms are possibly leftovers from when Shellos and Gastrodon were planned to be in Generation III. Shellos's sprite is pink, like its West Sea variation, and seems to combine the western variation's head with the Eastern variation's body, while Gastrodon's sprite is brown and looks like its Western variation, but with more rock-like protrusions on its body. Gastrodon's Platinum Pokédex entry appears to reference its beta sprite.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick= Deino, Zweilous, Hydreigon
|type1=dark
|type2=dragon
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc= [[File:635Hydreigon.png|100px|right]] Hydreigon's evolutionary line was originally meant to be army/military styled Dragon designs.

Ken Sugimori: "Deino, Zweilous, Hydreigon. At first, these incorporated an army tank motif, and the marks that look like a conveyor belt on the upper part of Zweilous’s legs are the remnants of that. Initially, they didn’t work as designs and were basically ‘put to sleep’, however, a three-stage powerful Dragon-type family was ordered and they were resurrected."}}

===Minor alterations===

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blastoise & Staryu
|type1=Water
|img=Early Blastoise and Staryu sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Blastoise (Pokémon)}}[[File:009Blastoise.png|70px|right]][[File:120Staryu.png|70px|right]] {{main|Staryu (Pokémon)}} In this early depiction of a {{pkmn|battle}}, {{p|Blastoise}} is without its signature {{m|Hydro Cannon|water cannons}}. In its original context, this picture is captioned "Karabajio VS. Mimii", which are not the names of any known Pokémon.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Lapras
|type1=Water
|type2=Ice
|img=Early Lapras sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Lapras (Pokémon)}}[[File:131Lapras.png|150px|right]] An early version of Lapras. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. Notably Lapras's curly ears are not present. Under the chin the pattern appears different, blending in with the texture of the rest of the head. There are also no visible appendages or tail but that may be due to the water. However, it bears a striking resemblance to its [[Lapras (Pokémon)#Sprites|Generation I back sprite]]. Also in the sketch is an early design of {{ga|Red}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|pkmn=Kakuna
|type1=Bug
|type2=Poison
|img=Spr_1b_014.png
|img2=Bandai_Kakuna_card.jpg
|epnum=Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards
|epname=Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards
|desc={{main|Kakuna (Pokémon)}} [[File:014Kakuna.png|right]]The "arms" on Kakuna seen in its Red and Blue sprite are commonly mistaken to be a sprite error, as they are rarely shown in any other media. They have so far only been shown on its Red and Blue sprite and a [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards|Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Card]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bellossom
|type1=Grass
|img=182Bellossom GS.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Bellossom (Pokémon)}}[[File:182Bellossom.png|190px|right]] Both early artwork of Bellossom and its Gold and Silver artwork show that it was originally to be a similar color to its other evolutionary relatives. A possible explanation for this change would be the intention to avoid another [[Pokémon controversy#Racism|racial controversy]], as the original Bellossom design appears similar to traditional {{wp|polynesia|polynesian}} dress. However, this is unlikely to be the case.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Tyranitar
|type1=Rock
|type2=Dark
|img=Alpha tyranitar.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Tyranitar (Pokémon)}}[[File:248Tyranitar.png|230px|right]] This early version of Tyranitar is nearly identical to the design seen in the finalized Gold and Silver versions. It was shown alongside two unnamed Pokémon (seen in the section above) on the cover of a Japanese gaming magazine, where it was the only early design to become a released Pokémon. It has very few differences compared to the final version. Of these differences, the early Tyranitar design is more heavy-set, has a tan rather than indigo belly, has arms more reminiscent of Nidoking, and dozens of short spikes upon its back rather than a few long ones. It seems peculiar that Tyranitar was nearly completed at the time, but the other two featured Pokémon were never seen in their original designs.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Treecko
|type1=Grass
|img=Treecko concept art.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Treecko (Pokémon)}}[[File:252Treecko RS.png|150px|right]] Concept art of Treecko shows numerous designs for the creature before the final design was decided. Many of these early sketches more closely resemble real geckos than the final product, which would later gain a more elongated head shape and a rounder nose.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Groudon
|type1=Ground
|img=Groudon Beta.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Groudon (Pokémon)}}[[File:383Groudon.png|230px|right]] In its early design, it had a different shape to its eyes, one more set of spikes on the torso, one less spike on the tail, one of the spikes on the neck moved to the head on the final design, overall shapes are much less sharp, head details became much more elongated in the final version, and the weather trio signature body markings are not present.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, the red markings on its body were mirrored. However, it was changed to its current appearance the next video it appeared in.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Throh and Sawk
|type1=Fighting
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Throh (Pokémon)}}[[File:538Throh.png|100px|right]] {{main|Sawk (Pokémon)}}[[File:539Sawk.png|100px|right]] According to interviews with [[Ken Sugimori]] in ''Nintendo Dream'', during development, Sawk and Throh both had horns making them look more like Oni. However, they were replaced with eyebrows so as not to clash with {{p|Tornadus}} and {{p|Thundurus}}, who both were originally designed to be red and blue, like Throh and Sawk.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Stunfisk
|type1=Ground
|type2=Electric
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Stunfisk (Pokémon)}}[[File:618Stunfisk.png|200px|right]] Stunfisk was originally designed with an Angler Fish in mind, but obviously turned out a bit different. It was also a Water/Electric type but was changed to Ground/Electric to balance out the type spread of Pokémon.}}

==Unreleased characters==

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Shopkeeper
|type1=Red
|type2=Green
|img=Mart Sketch.jpg
|img2=
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Early [[Capsule Monsters]] artwork was shown in the book Satoshi Tajiri: A Man Who Created Pokémon, revealing an unknown male character running a shop, or what would possibly become an early version of the [[Poké Mart]]. The character is almost bald, has long eyebrows and appears to be overweight. He is presented in a similar art style to the sumo enemies from [[wikipedia:Game Freak|Game Freak]]'s debut title, Quinty (localized as [[wikipedia:Mendel Palace|Mendel Palace]]).
}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female main character
|type1=LeafGreen
|type2=Black
|img=Sugimori Starter artwork.png
|img2=Early Leaf.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=[[File:Red, Green and Blue Adventures.png|right|200px]]
This art of a female character (with {{p|Squirtle}}) was featured on the cover artwork for the official strategy guide for {{2v2|Red|Green|}}, as published by [[Shogakukan]].  A similar character appears [[a:File:Sugi art book.png|several]] [[a:File:Kensugiart3.png|times]] in unofficial artbooks that came packaged with Pokémon origami sets (bottom). The artbooks were, however, illustrated by Emiko Yoshino rather than Ken Sugimori. When Red and Green were later [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|remade]], players finally got the chance to use a {{ga|Leaf|female player character}} who was possibly based on this character.

In the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, a similar artwork was featured in the Red volume of [[The Best of Pokémon Adventures]] (right). The design of the character {{adv|Green}} seems to have drawn inspiration from this unknown female character. After the release of {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}, Green donned the same outfit as the female player character in the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen|fifth chapter}} of the manga, namely due to their near exact resemblance.
}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Trainer
|type1=Ground
|type2=Water
|img=Alpha girltrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=This unnamed female {{pkmn|Trainer}} art was revealed in [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|a magazine]] prior to Generation II but never officially released. It is unknown who this Trainer was supposed to represent, be it a main character, a supporting character, or just an NPC. Visually, she has similarities to multiple Trainer classes. Her age and appearance make her appear similar to a {{tc|Beauty}} or {{tc|Ace Trainer|Cool Trainer}}, but her outfit is similar to a {{tc|Lass}} or {{tc|Picnicker}}. There is an object on her shirt that looks like what could have been a Gym Badge. This Badge has a rain drop on it, meaning she could have been a Water-type Gym Leader.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Male Trainer
|type1=Poison
|img=Alpha boytrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=Hiding in the background of the [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|same magazine]] as the female Trainer above was a male Trainer that was never used. As with the female Trainer, it is unknown if he was designed as a main character, or supporting character, or was simply representing a Trainer class. He has hints of multiple classes, such as a {{tc|Tamer}}, {{tc|Psychic}}, {{tc|Juggler}}, {{tc|Burglar}}, {{tc|Poké Maniac|PokéManiac}}, {{tc|PI|Gambler}} and a male Rocket {{tc|Executive}}. There is an object on his bandana that looks like what could have been a Gym Badge. This Badge has a red diamond on it. Due to the dark colors used and the fact that he is pictured with Tyranitar, it is possible he was a Dark-type Gym Leader. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Latiken Trainer
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=[[File:Latias_Latios.png|240px|right]]There is an unused Trainer seen on the beta sketch of Latiken. It is very difficult to tell what this Trainer's role in the games was, although she somewhat resembles Clair, the Blackthorn City Gym Leader in Johto. Whether she was a player character, rival, or supporting character is currently unknown. This character has a strong resemblance to the character shown riding Latios in other art.}}

==Unknown cries==

===In {{2v2|Red|Blue}}===
Within the coding of Pokémon Red and Blue, data exists for nine unused Pokémon cries. <ref>[http://iimarck.us/i/missing-number Missing Number - IIMarckus]</ref> The cries are defined accordingly to the Pokémon's [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation I)|index numbers]]. Whereas cry data for 30 [[Missingno.]] are left blank, resulting in voice 0 ({{p|Nidorino}}), pitch 0 and length 0 cries, there are a number of remaining cries which appear to have been defined intentionally. Cry 181 is notably similar to {{p|Crobat}}'s cry in {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}.

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 67
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 0, Pitch 128, Length 16.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 69
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 29, Pitch 244, Length 64.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 79
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 34, Pitch 255, Length 64.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 81
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 14, Pitch 224, Length 96.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 94
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 15, Pitch 64, Length 192.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 95
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 15, Pitch 32, Length 192.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 127
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 17, Pitch 32, Length 16.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 137
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 15, Pitch 64, Length 128.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 181
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 29, Pitch 0, Length 128.}}

{{youtubevid|ZYEeLYSM5P0|ChickasaurusGL|Blue}}

===In {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}===
In a [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta#Prototype Ruby|leaked German version]] of Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, labelled 'Debugging Version 0509A' the cries of Pokémon with index numbers 252-276 are playable in the 'Driver Test' menu. Although these Pokémon normally correspond with [[? (glitch Pokémon)|?]], they have the cries of existing Pokémon exclusively to the Driver Test, suggesting that they may have once been real Pokémon.

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 266
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=There is an unused Pokémon cry assigned to index number 266.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 269
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=There is an unused Pokémon cry assigned to index number 269.}}

{{youtubevid|sGqhLcUzOwU|ChickasaurusGL|Ruby}}

==See also==
* [[Beta Pokémon games]]

==References==
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[[Category:Characters]]

[[de:Unveröffentlichte Pokémon und Charaktere]]
[[it:Prototipi di Pokémon e personaggi]]
[[ja:没ポケモンの一覧]]
[[pl:Niepublikowane Pokémony]]

List of unused Pokémon and character designs

2012-09-28T01:47:15Z

TJF: Expanded "kage no mushi"s names a bit and capitalized them, and fixed some odd wording in a different section

There are Pokémon and characters that were just a few of many different designs that [[Game Freak]] created. Only a few were added, and even those often went through redesigns before making it into the final product.

==Unreleased Pokémon==
===[[Capsule Monsters]] designs===
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Buhi
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Buhi.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #124, the same as {{p|Jynx}}'s.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Papyō
|type1=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Papyo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #211, the same as {{p|Qwilfish}}'s.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Oviparous creature
|type1=Unknown
|img=Oviparous Capsule Monster.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=[[File:Spr_5b_Egg.png|right]]In the artwork featuring early versions of Red and Rhydon inside a cave, an unidentified Pokémon can be seen. It appears to be hatching from an {{pkmn|Egg}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Godzillante & Gorillaimo
|type1=Fire
|type2=Unknown
|img=Capsule Monsters Godzillante Gorillaimo.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=[[File:248Tyranitar.png|150px|right]][[File:289Slaking.png|150px|right]]Nothing is known about this first Pokémon 'Godzillante'. It may have been {{type|Fire}}, as it is shown to be breathing fire. As its name implies, it was most likely based on {{wp|Godzilla}}. Godzillante notably shares a resemblance to one of the [http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/manga/pocket_monsters/pm_01/09_fake_pokemon.jpg fake Pokémon toys] shown in the [[Pokémon Pocket Monsters]] manga volume 1 (p. 107). The japanese name of {{p|Tyranitar}} is also based on Godzilla. Nothing is known about the second Pokémon 'Gorillaimo'. Its hat could be a reference to the character {{wb|Ninten}} from the {{wb|Ape Inc.}} game, {{wb|Mother (video game)|Mother}}. It also resembles the [[Nintendo]] character [[dk:Donkey Kong|Donkey Kong]]. Gorillaimo could also be based on King Kong. Later generations have introduced many ape-based Pokémon. {{p|Slaking}} is the most notable, as it shares the most physical traits with Gorillaimo.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dragon4
|type1=Dragon
|img=Capsule Monsters Dragon4.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=[[File:006Charizard.png|150px|right]]Nothing is known about this Pokémon other than its Pokédex number, #174, the same as {{p|Igglybuff}}'s. It has short arms, a long tail, two horns on the back of its head and average dragon-like wings, just like {{p|Charizard}}.}}

===Pokémon designs===
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kurusu
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha kurusu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=The only known information about this creature is its name and image. In the playable alpha demo of Gold and Silver, its National Pokédex number was 212, it was a {{type|Water}}, and knew the moves {{m|Growl}}, {{m|Water Gun}}, and {{m|Tackle}}. Despite its Pokédex numbering, it was the Water-type starter in said demo. Since it resembles a seal, some fans believe it may have inspired {{p|Spheal}}'s design, but they are no more similar than either of them is to {{p|Seel}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Honōguma
|type1=Fire
|img=Alpha honouguma.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc= Like Kurusu above, its name and image are all that is known about it. While not confirmed, its name, a combination of 炎 ''honō'', flame, and 熊 ''kuma'', bear, almost definitely indicates it was a {{type|Fire}} Pokémon. In the alpha, it was a {{type|Fire}}, and knew the moves Ember, Scratch, and Leer; it was the Fire-type starter. Given its name refers to it as a bear, some fans believe it could have been an early version of the {{p|Teddiursa}} evolution family.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kage no Mushi
|type1=Bug
|type2=Grass
|img=Alpha insect.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:540Sewaddle.png|150px|right]]Nothing is known about this Pokémon, other than its artwork and file name on a Japanese web archive, where it was nicknamed "kage no mushi", which literally means "Shadow Insect" or "Shadow Bug" . Its artwork is notably drawn in the art style of other [[Generation II]] concept art. It has a large leaf covering its body, indicating that it would likely have been {{type|Grass}}. Generation V introduced an insect-like Pokémon with a leaf on its head named {{p|Sewaddle}}. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed creature
|type1=Unknown
|img=Alpha top.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:237Hitmontop.png|150px|right]]Artwork was created for this strange creature, even though it was never given a name. Its extremely odd appearance is somewhat similar to {{p|Hitmontop}}; namely, the multiple feet around its midsection. Although this creature has its point located on its bottom, and Hitmontop has its point located on its head, this creature may have been redesigned as Hitmontop. Due to its size, it would seem unlikely that it was originally part of the {{p|Tyrogue}} evolution line. It also bears some resemblance to {{p|Clefairy}}. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed turtle
|type1=Unknown
|img=Alpha turtle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=[[File:564Tirtouga.png|200px|right]]Nothing is known about this turtle Pokémon. Notably, it slightly resembles anything that was released in Generation II. It bears a resemblance to {{p|Tirtouga}} from [[Generation V]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unnamed sheep
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Game Freak
|epname=Game Freak interview
|desc={{Bulbanews|Unused Pokémon design revealed in magazine interview}}Nothing is known about this Pokémon, nor is there any artwork of it known to exist. An interview in @Gamer magazine with Junichi Masuda and Ken Sugimori, the development and art directors, respectively, of Game Freak, revealed that there was a rejected Pokémon design, based on the {{wp|Dolly (sheep)|first cloned sheep}}, but it was deemed to be "too controversial" Since Dolly, the cloned sheep, was born several months after the release of Pokémon Red and Green in Japan, it is more likely that this Pokémon would have been intended for [[Generation II]].}}

==Altered Pokémon==
{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Gengar & Nidorino
|type1=Poison
|type2=Ghost
|img=Capsule Monsters Cover.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Gengar (Pokémon)}}[[File:094Gengar.png|100px|right]][[File:033Nidorino.png|100px|right]] {{main|Nidorino (Pokémon)}} An early version of Gengar, and a creature with traits of Nidorino, {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Feraligatr}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kokana
|type1=Bug
|img=Kokana.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc={{main|Weedle (Pokémon)}}[[File:013Weedle.png|100px|right]] An early version of Weedle. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kasanagi
|type1=Bug
|img=Kasanagi.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=The evolution of Kokana. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997. It was replaced by {{p|Kakuna}}, although they share little similarities.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Kasanagi evolution
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|img=Kasanagi evolution.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=The evolution of Kasanagi. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997, labelled as "undecided". Like its pre-evolution, it was replaced by {{p|Beedrill}}, but it somewhat resembles {{p|Ledian}} and a cockroach.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Poliwag
|type1=Water
|img=Prototype Poliwag.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Poliwag (Pokémon)}}[[File:060Poliwag.png|100px|right]] An early version of Poliwag. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Nyosuka
|type1=Water
|img=Nyosuka.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Poliwhirl (Pokémon)}}[[File:061Poliwhirl.png|100px|right]] {{main|Poliwrath (Pokémon)}}[[File:062Poliwrath.png|100px|right]] An early version of Poliwrath. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997. Notably it is wearing a crown, similar to the [[King's Rock]] necessary to evolve Poliwhirl into {{p|Politoed}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Dragonair
|type1=Dragon
|img=Prototype Dragonair.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green Beta
|desc={{main|Dragonair (Pokémon)}}[[File:148Dragonair.png|100px|right]] An early version of Dragonair. This was one of several Pokémon sprites shown on Game Freak's official Japanese website circa 1997.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Happa
|type1=Grass
|img=Alpha happa.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Chikorita (Pokémon)}}[[File:152Chikorita.png|160px|right]] Happa's name simply means "leaf" in Japanese. Happa is the early version of Chikorita. Happa resembles Chikorita without its body and legs. In the alpha, its Pokédex number was 152 and it knew the moves Leech Seed, Tackle, and an unknown move called "Serene".}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Ledyba
|type1=Bug
|type2=Flying
|img=Rediba Silver Title Cutscene Concept.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Ledyba (Pokémon)}}[[File:165Ledyba.png|130px|right]] An early version of Ledyba. Unlike the final design, it has a black abdomen rather than a cream colored one. It also has a single pair of hands, and a pair of feet, and it appears to be headless, with its eyes and antenna attached to its body.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Marill
|type1=Water
|img=Alpha mariru.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Marill (Pokémon)}}[[File:183Marill.png|200px|right]] An early version of Marill. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. The pink/purple color is the main difference as well as the notably missing large ears. It also sports a thinner body, more resembling a rodent, but does not sport Marill's erratic tail pattern, though with this being a concept art, small details were most likely not a concern at the time.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Girafarig
|type1=Normal
|type2=Psychic
|img=Alpha kirinriki.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Girafarig (Pokémon)}}[[File:203Girafarig.png|130px|right]] This concept art of Girafarig shows the original design contained two full-sized giraffe heads, instead of the final version's one. It is also unknown why the design was changed, but overall it remains mostly similar outside of some coloring differences (though, because this is concept art, specific coloring details were most likely not considered at the time). This design might be reference to Girafarig's name being a [[wp:Palindrome|palindrome]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bukū
|type1=Water
|type2=Poison
|img=Alpha bukuu.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Qwilfish (Pokémon)}}[[File:211Qwilfish.png|190px|right]] Bukū's name is derived from "fugu", the Japanese word for blowfish. It is most likely an early version of Qwilfish. Notable differences between Qwilfish and this pre-release version are the colors, and shape of the tail. However, the shape of the tail does appear slightly similar to the length of the tail in Qwilfish's [[Generation II]] back sprite. However, this was just an error and no other generation shows Qwilfish's tail that short.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Torchic
|type1=Fire
|img=Torchic Beta2.jpg
|img2=Torchic Beta.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Torchic (Pokémon)}}[[File:255Torchic RS.png|100px|right]] This early version of Torchic shows its lower body covered by an eggshell, with the fluff going all around its neck and wing-shaped ears. The other beta design is nearly identical to the current Torchic, aside from the large floppy ears, rather than its final design's flame shaped feathers on its head, and a flame-shaped marking on the back of its head.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blaziken / Latias
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Blaziken (Pokémon)}}[[File:257Blaziken.png|70px|right]][[File:380Latias.png|70px|right]] {{main|Latias (Pokémon)}} Sometimes referred to as Latiaziken or Latiken by fans, this beta image from Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire depicts a creature with traits of both {{p|Latias}} and {{p|Blaziken}}. In appearance, it more closely resembles Blaziken. However, some features, including the size, are more similar to Latias. Some of its features do not resemble those of either Pokémon, such as the hands.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Shellos & Gastrodon
|type1=water
|type2=ground
|img=Spr b 4d 422b.png
|img2=Spr b 4d 423b.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Shellos (Pokémon)}}[[File:422Shellos-East.png|75px|right]][[File:422Shellos-West.png|75px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-East.png|105px|right]][[File:423Gastrodon-West.png|105px|right]] {{main|Gastrodon (Pokémon)}} Prototype back sprites of Shellos and Gastrodon show an another form for each. These forms are possibly leftovers from when Shellos and Gastrodon were planned to be in Generation III. Shellos's sprite is pink, like its West Sea variation, and seems to combine the western variation's head with the Eastern variation's body, while Gastrodon's sprite is brown and looks like its Western variation, but with more rock-like protrusions on its body. Gastrodon's Platinum Pokédex entry appears to reference its beta sprite.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick= Deino, Zweilous, Hydreigon
|type1=dark
|type2=dragon
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc= [[File:635Hydreigon.png|100px|right]] Hydreigon's evolutionary line was originally meant to be army/military styled Dragon designs.

Ken Sugimori: "Deino, Zweilous, Hydreigon. At first, these incorporated an army tank motif, and the marks that look like a conveyor belt on the upper part of Zweilous’s legs are the remnants of that. Initially, they didn’t work as designs and were basically ‘put to sleep’, however, a three-stage powerful Dragon-type family was ordered and they were resurrected."}}

===Minor alterations===

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Blastoise & Staryu
|type1=Water
|img=Early Blastoise and Staryu sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Blastoise (Pokémon)}}[[File:009Blastoise.png|70px|right]][[File:120Staryu.png|70px|right]] {{main|Staryu (Pokémon)}} In this early depiction of a {{pkmn|battle}}, {{p|Blastoise}} is without its signature {{m|Hydro Cannon|water cannons}}. In its original context, this picture is captioned "Karabajio VS. Mimii", which are not the names of any known Pokémon.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Lapras
|type1=Water
|type2=Ice
|img=Early Lapras sketch.jpg
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc={{main|Lapras (Pokémon)}}[[File:131Lapras.png|150px|right]] An early version of Lapras. While they are recognizably similar, they are visually quite different. Notably Lapras's curly ears are not present. Under the chin the pattern appears different, blending in with the texture of the rest of the head. There are also no visible appendages or tail but that may be due to the water. However, it bears a striking resemblance to its [[Lapras (Pokémon)#Sprites|Generation I back sprite]]. Also in the sketch is an early design of {{ga|Red}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|pkmn=Kakuna
|type1=Bug
|type2=Poison
|img=Spr_1b_014.png
|img2=Bandai_Kakuna_card.jpg
|epnum=Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards
|epname=Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards
|desc={{main|Kakuna (Pokémon)}} [[File:014Kakuna.png|right]]The "arms" on Kakuna seen in its Red and Blue sprite are commonly mistaken to be a sprite error, as they are rarely shown in any other media. They have so far only been shown on its Red and Blue sprite and a [[Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Cards|Pocket Monsters Carddass Trading Card]].}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Bellossom
|type1=Grass
|img=182Bellossom GS.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Bellossom (Pokémon)}}[[File:182Bellossom.png|190px|right]] Both early artwork of Bellossom and its Gold and Silver artwork show that it was originally to be a similar color to its other evolutionary relatives. A possible explanation for this change would be the intention to avoid another [[Pokémon controversy#Racism|racial controversy]], as the original Bellossom design appears similar to traditional {{wp|polynesia|polynesian}} dress. However, this is unlikely to be the case.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Tyranitar
|type1=Rock
|type2=Dark
|img=Alpha tyranitar.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc={{main|Tyranitar (Pokémon)}}[[File:248Tyranitar.png|230px|right]] This early version of Tyranitar is nearly identical to the design seen in the finalized Gold and Silver versions. It was shown alongside two unnamed Pokémon (seen in the section above) on the cover of a Japanese gaming magazine, where it was the only early design to become a released Pokémon. It has very few differences compared to the final version. Of these differences, the early Tyranitar design is more heavy-set, has a tan rather than indigo belly, has arms more reminiscent of Nidoking, and dozens of short spikes upon its back rather than a few long ones. It seems peculiar that Tyranitar was nearly completed at the time, but the other two featured Pokémon were never seen in their original designs.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Treecko
|type1=Grass
|img=Treecko concept art.png
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Treecko (Pokémon)}}[[File:252Treecko RS.png|150px|right]] Concept art of Treecko shows numerous designs for the creature before the final design was decided. Many of these early sketches more closely resemble real geckos than the final product, which would later gain a more elongated head shape and a rounder nose.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Groudon
|type1=Ground
|img=Groudon Beta.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc={{main|Groudon (Pokémon)}}[[File:383Groudon.png|230px|right]] In its early design, it had a different shape to its eyes, one more set of spikes on the torso, one less spike on the tail, one of the spikes on the neck moved to the head on the final design, overall shapes are much less sharp, head details became much more elongated in the final version, and the weather trio signature body markings are not present.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Excadrill
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|img=BW Prerelease double battle.png
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Excadrill (Pokémon)}}[[File:530Excadrill.png|200px|right]] In Excadrill's first appearance in a promotional video, the red markings on its body were mirrored. However, it was changed to its current appearance the next video it appeared in.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Throh and Sawk
|type1=Fighting
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Throh (Pokémon)}}[[File:538Throh.png|100px|right]] {{main|Sawk (Pokémon)}}[[File:539Sawk.png|100px|right]] According to interviews with [[Ken Sugimori]] in ''Nintendo Dream'', during development, Sawk and Throh both had horns making them look more like Oni. However, they were replaced with eyebrows so as not to clash with {{p|Tornadus}} and {{p|Thundurus}}, who both were originally designed to be red and blue, like Throh and Sawk.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Stunfisk
|type1=Ground
|type2=Electric
|epnum=Pokémon Black and White beta
|epname=Pokémon Black and White beta
|desc={{main|Stunfisk (Pokémon)}}[[File:618Stunfisk.png|200px|right]] Stunfisk was originally designed with an Angler Fish in mind, but obviously turned out a bit different. It was also a Water/Electric type but was changed to Ground/Electric to balance out the type spread of Pokémon.}}

==Unreleased characters==

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Shopkeeper
|type1=Red
|type2=Green
|img=Mart Sketch.jpg
|img2=
|epnum=Capsule Monsters
|epname=Capsule Monsters
|desc=Early [[Capsule Monsters]] artwork was shown in the book Satoshi Tajiri: A Man Who Created Pokémon, revealing an unknown male character running a shop, or what would possibly become an early version of the [[Poké Mart]]. The character is almost bald, has long eyebrows and appears to be overweight. He is presented in a similar art style to the sumo enemies from [[wikipedia:Game Freak|Game Freak]]'s debut title, Quinty (localized as [[wikipedia:Mendel Palace|Mendel Palace]]).
}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female main character
|type1=LeafGreen
|type2=Black
|img=Sugimori Starter artwork.png
|img2=Early Leaf.png
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=[[File:Red, Green and Blue Adventures.png|right|200px]]
This art of a female character (with {{p|Squirtle}}) was featured on the cover artwork for the official strategy guide for {{2v2|Red|Green|}}, as published by [[Shogakukan]].  A similar character appears [[a:File:Sugi art book.png|several]] [[a:File:Kensugiart3.png|times]] in unofficial artbooks that came packaged with Pokémon origami sets (bottom). The artbooks were, however, illustrated by Emiko Yoshino rather than Ken Sugimori. When Red and Green were later [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|remade]], players finally got the chance to use a {{ga|Leaf|female player character}} who was possibly based on this character.

In the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, a similar artwork was featured in the Red volume of [[The Best of Pokémon Adventures]] (right). The design of the character {{adv|Green}} seems to have drawn inspiration from this unknown female character. After the release of {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}, Green donned the same outfit as the female player character in the {{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen|fifth chapter}} of the manga, namely due to their near exact resemblance.
}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Trainer
|type1=Ground
|type2=Water
|img=Alpha girltrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=This unnamed female {{pkmn|Trainer}} art was revealed in [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|a magazine]] prior to Generation II but never officially released. It is unknown who this Trainer was supposed to represent, be it a main character, a supporting character, or just an NPC. Visually, she has similarities to multiple Trainer classes. Her age and appearance make her appear similar to a {{tc|Beauty}} or {{tc|Ace Trainer|Cool Trainer}}, but her outfit is similar to a {{tc|Lass}} or {{tc|Picnicker}}. There is an object on her shirt that looks like what could have been a Gym Badge. This Badge has a rain drop on it, meaning she could have been a Water-type Gym Leader.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Male Trainer
|type1=Poison
|img=Alpha boytrainer.png
|epnum=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|epname=Pokémon Gold and Silver beta
|desc=Hiding in the background of the [[a:File:MicroGroup Game Review Volume 14.jpg|same magazine]] as the female Trainer above was a male Trainer that was never used. As with the female Trainer, it is unknown if he was designed as a main character, or supporting character, or was simply representing a Trainer class. He has hints of multiple classes, such as a {{tc|Tamer}}, {{tc|Psychic}}, {{tc|Juggler}}, {{tc|Burglar}}, {{tc|Poké Maniac|PokéManiac}}, {{tc|PI|Gambler}} and a male Rocket {{tc|Executive}}. There is an object on his bandana that looks like what could have been a Gym Badge. This Badge has a red diamond on it. Due to the dark colors used and the fact that he is pictured with Tyranitar, it is possible he was a Dark-type Gym Leader. }}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Female Latiken Trainer
|type1=Fire
|type2=Dragon
|img=Latias Blaziken.jpg
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=[[File:Latias_Latios.png|240px|right]]There is an unused Trainer seen on the beta sketch of Latiken. It is very difficult to tell what this Trainer's role in the games was, although she somewhat resembles Clair, the Blackthorn City Gym Leader in Johto. Whether she was a player character, rival, or supporting character is currently unknown. This character has a strong resemblance to the character shown riding Latios in other art.}}

==Unknown cries==

===In {{2v2|Red|Blue}}===
Within the coding of Pokémon Red and Blue, data exists for nine unused Pokémon cries. <ref>[http://iimarck.us/i/missing-number Missing Number - IIMarckus]</ref> The cries are defined accordingly to the Pokémon's [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation I)|index numbers]]. Whereas cry data for 30 [[Missingno.]] are left blank, resulting in voice 0 ({{p|Nidorino}}), pitch 0 and length 0 cries, there are a number of remaining cries which appear to have been defined intentionally. Cry 181 is notably similar to {{p|Crobat}}'s cry in {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}.

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 67
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 0, Pitch 128, Length 16.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 69
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 29, Pitch 244, Length 64.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 79
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 34, Pitch 255, Length 64.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 81
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 14, Pitch 224, Length 96.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 94
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 15, Pitch 64, Length 192.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 95
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 15, Pitch 32, Length 192.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 127
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 17, Pitch 32, Length 16.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 137
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 15, Pitch 64, Length 128.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 181
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|epname=Pokémon Red and Green beta
|desc=Base 29, Pitch 0, Length 128.}}

{{youtubevid|ZYEeLYSM5P0|ChickasaurusGL|Blue}}

===In {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}===
In a [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta#Prototype Ruby|leaked German version]] of Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, labelled 'Debugging Version 0509A' the cries of Pokémon with index numbers 252-276 are playable in the 'Driver Test' menu. Although these Pokémon normally correspond with [[? (glitch Pokémon)|?]], they have the cries of existing Pokémon exclusively to the Driver Test, suggesting that they may have once been real Pokémon.

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 266
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=There is an unused Pokémon cry assigned to index number 266.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|nick=Unknown Pokémon 269
|type1=Unknown
|img=
|epnum=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|epname=Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire beta
|desc=There is an unused Pokémon cry assigned to index number 269.}}

{{youtubevid|sGqhLcUzOwU|ChickasaurusGL|Ruby}}

==See also==
* [[Beta Pokémon games]]

==References==
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[[Category:Characters]]

[[de:Unveröffentlichte Pokémon und Charaktere]]
[[it:Prototipi di Pokémon e personaggi]]
[[ja:没ポケモンの一覧]]
[[pl:Niepublikowane Pokémony]]

User talk:SnorlaxMonster/Archive/5

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== eevee to umbreon ==

But how do we know if it is day or night? I haven't played gen 3 games that much but i know that the clock we set is an analogue one and not a digital one. PS-I'm sorry for troubling u constantly with my questions.[[User:Auraguardian197|'''Auraguardian''']][[User talk:Auraguardian197|'''197''']] 14:29, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
:It's analogue, but it also says AM or PM on the clock face itself (checked in my game). And don't worry, I don't mind your questions. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:38, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Sorry about editing the bell tower article. I
thought that it was accidently written D,P and Pt.
I'm really sorry.[[User:Auraguardian197|'''Auraguardian''']][[User talk:Auraguardian197|'''197''']] 13:37, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
:Don't worry about it. It's an incredibly easy mistake to make. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:40, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

== ?question? ==

why did you delete these glitches

o Bike music glitch

o Music glitch 2
(Above was an error i pressed submit twice)
[[User:AWild------Appeared|AWild------Appeared]] 14:42, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
:The cycling music is obviously intended not to be played on bridges; my guess would be that being so long, most people would always cycle along them and so would never hear the location music. I didn't delete the "Music glitch 2", I simply combined it with another glitch that worked on the same principle and called it "Music memory glitch". --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:22, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I noticed that right there. But you deleted the Cry glitch which actually should be called a glitch. In case you didn't take it in properly:

Green HP: Healthy cry
Orange HP: Dodgy cry
Red HP: Healthy cry (o_O)

As you can see, there is a healthy cry in Red HP when it should sound terribly horrible. {{unsigned|AWild------Appeared}}
:Oh, it looks like I didn't read it properly. I've added it back. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:33, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll try and find as many more glitches as I can. (I do this with practically every game in the world I like.) {{unsigned|AWild------Appeared}}
:Wanting to tell you, when you click to go to "List of glitch Pokemon in Generation Whatsoever", instead of going to a page of glitch Pokemon, there's just the national Pokedex for that game. {{unsigned|AWild------Appeared}}
::Those aren't National Pokédex lists, those are index number lists. And they include all actual and glitch Pokémon in them, so it is much more efficient to simply link to them than create specific lists of only glitch Pokémon in each generation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:04, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh. {{unsigned|AWild------Appeared}}

== BW sprites ==

Not sure when, but some time ago I found [http://sprites.pokecheck.org/?gen=2& this]. There is a LOT of BW sprites there, probably all (split in Generations, and then Front, Front shiny, Back and Back shiny). They are gifs, though, but Archives has link to gif-to-png converter. Not sure if this/that could be used, but not many Pokémon have animated version of sprites from BW uploaded on Archives... [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 13:25, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
:The issue is that they are not 90×90; the sprite rippers have cropped them when they ripped them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:31, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

== Template ==

I know that it's a minor thing but.. on the link templates page{{tt|*|don't know how to link it here}} the code for ash's friends is like this "Link template": <nowiki>{{Ashfr}}</nowiki> but at the "Code" column is: <nowiki>{{ashfr}}</nowiki>. Indeed they do link to the same page, but shouldn't they be the same ? Also, shouldn't <nowiki>{{Bulbapedia:Bots}}</nowiki>{{tt|*|don't know how to link it here}} this page be protected along with the link templates page ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 16:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
:Made it consistent. It's pretty arbitrary whether it is upper or lowercase in articles (whereas I hate to see {{template|P}}, and will always change it to {{template|p}}). As for linking to other namespaces, you can link them like any other page, so [[Bulbapedia:List of link templates]] (or {{bp|List of link templates}}). I've protected [[Bulbapedia:Bots]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:33, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
::Great! Thanks! But shouldn't the link templates page also be protected ? Afterall, it's the most important to the editing community of BP.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 11:50, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Oh, I see. It was only autoconfirmed protected. I just looked at the protection tab and saw "unprotect" and assumed that it was completely protected. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
::::Why doesn't [[Cissy|this]] page have the "Contents" table ? --[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 15:58, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::Pages need four sections to have a table of contents. Otherwise Mediwiki decides they are too short to bother with it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:36, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

== Manga ==

I think that Isamu's page is out of date because I took all appearances from his page. I did the same with all the Pokémon that appeared in the cooking competition.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 13:47, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
:Wait, I meant I copied the format from {{p|Blastoise}}'s manga section and just replaced it with the respective Pokémon so I could save time.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 13:50, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
::Well, if the title contains lowercase for words that usually would be uppercase in a title, you should generally be suspicious and check the article. Translated Japanese names should not be used as display text for episodes/movies/specials/shorts/rounds/chapters. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:56, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Since that's a gag manga, nothing can surprise me, therefore I didn't thought of this possibility but I'll have them corrected later. Yes I know about using offical names instead of translation, but I thought that was the official name.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 14:00, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

== Quotes. ==

Done (replying here since on my talk page I did reply that I didn't finished it). The only thing left that I can think of is the letter you find at his home after beating Elite Four, the one you read to get Beldum. Unsure if I should check it, though. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 11:19, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:Wait. Why you erased quotes for Champion battle (RS) and Meteor Falls battle? They should stay. I didn't had them as they were already in article. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 11:55, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

== Movies ==

Still need the images for the movies in [[AG086]] ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 17:17, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:Yes. When they actually come on Pokémon.com though, I'll likely end up rewriting the section anyway. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:10, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
::Uhm, actually I thought that I should get the images before the episode aires on the site. Right today --[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 12:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
:::If you have the images, put them in. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:58, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
::::Problem is, I can take different screenshots of the same movie, I don't know which will fit better.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 13:15, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::Just pick one. I know what you mean, but you just have to be decisive. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:17, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
How should I name the files ? --[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 13:22, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
:Like my images. "<movie name>.png". --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:25, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
::I'm still missing the Armaldo movie and the Pichu Brother's one. I can't get those two because of the inappropiate placement of the watermak. Almost impossible to remove.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 13:32, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Well, that's the purpose of the watermark anyway. We'll get the images eventually anyway, so don't worry about it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:33, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
::::Got 3 of 'em, check the page.
Btw the link templates page has some inconsistencies
* the links for youtube are "Link template" = Yt and Ytu, while "Code" = yt and ytu
* the <nowiki>{{Adv}}</nowiki> template should be <nowiki>{{adv}}</nowiki> since it is used more than the former, trust me, everywhere I added manga appearances that's what I saw, plus adv would be better since are not initials rather a short term.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 13:43, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
::Also, why is there a <nowiki>{{type2}}</nowiki> template since <nowiki>{{type}}</nowiki> does the same thing ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 13:53, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
:::{{redlink|Template talk:Type2}} Last time I brought it up with DETH, he didn't want to move it due to the name being too long anyway. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:55, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
::::Disregard logic, I don't see the point of keeping it that way but whatever... I'll be off in about half an hour so if you could take a look [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Adyniz#Protection here]. Since Ady is busy I don't want to bother him. Untill "Steven Stone" all has been fixed. Thanks SM ! --[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 14:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::Ady's talk page is on my watchlist anyway, so I saw that and intended to get around to it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:05, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
That's great, we're on the same wave-length I see.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 14:06, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
I wonder... if they did so much fuss about the <nowiki>{{g}}</nowiki> template because it should only be used in the games, then why no one mentioned that on the link templates page ? I mean, let's be serious, not many people click on the template's talk page.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 16:16, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
::::::Template documentation is supposed to go on the talk page. As for the fuss about the template, IMO, it should either be deleted or allowed universally. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:23, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
How about <nowiki>{{motto}}</nowiki>? Shouldn't that be added to the link templates page ?{{tt|*|off-topic: do edits marked as minor count for the top contributors ?}}--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 20:32, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
:I've also noticed an <nowiki>{{E4}}</nowiki> template which is exactly as <nowiki>{{EF}}</nowiki>.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 20:35, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
::{{redlink|Template:E4}} redirects to {{template|EF}}. I've added {{template|motto}}. And yes, minor edits count towards TC and TCM. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:34, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Good, how about the capitalization of Contests, Gym {{tt|match|yes match not battle}} and Gym referee ? Also, what's with the cross ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 10:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
::::Contest is already on the page, Gym itself is always capitalized, while I don't believe that battle or referee would be (they're not official terms anyway). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Dennou said that Gym Battle should be, but I asked you about Gym "match", also what's with the cross near some terms ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 11:19, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
:I have no reason to believe that the battle in "Gym Battle" should be capitalized. I don't think it should be. I'm interested in the source for it. The dagger is explained at the start of the article (and will be removed before it leaves my userspace). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
::Ok then, still what should I do if I see a capitalized Gym Battle ? --[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 11:30, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Gym Battle -> Gym battle. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:31, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
::::Sorry for causing confusion, I just erroneously thought that "battle" is ''always'' capitalized.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 11:34, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::Then you should write it down in the uncapitalized section so everyone will know. Also, have you done something with the Epicode page ? Yeah I know I'm being a bit steadfast but it is important to BP.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 11:39, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
::::::I don't think it is really necessary to put it there. Do you mean did I add ''[[Trouble in Big Town]]''? Then yes. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:49, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Yes I see now, how about updating the digits for movies and PK shorts ? Or wait untill they are released ? Also, could you protect the page ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 11:51, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Another user already did. You're better off reading the page itself than asking me though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:56, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
I see now, I'm rushing too much, well then... protection ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 11:57, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think the page really needs protection; if it gets abused, then I'll consider it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:58, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
::Ok.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 12:00, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Uhm, {{an|Dawn}}'s page pretty much lacks capitalization for Ribbons and Contests. I would do them myself but the page is protected.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 17:10, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
::::Done. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:44, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Also, {{DL|Cynthia|In the anime|this section}} should be changed from On hand to Pokémon. Btw, do you got the receive e-mail feature enabled ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 16:19, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
:Done, and yes I do. If a user has the feature disabled/no registered email address, [[Special:EmailUser|E-mail this user]] will not appear in the toolbox in that user's userspace. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:18, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
::Great! Thanks ! I've sent you an e-mail btw. Please reply when you have the time.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 17:05, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

== help? ==

can i just join a project without any conditions like certain number of edits or do i get picked?[[User:Auraguardian197|'''Auraguardian''']][[User talk:Auraguardian197|'''197''']] 19:08, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
:Everyone can join. It even says on the project's page "To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list". Here's a list of {{bp|Projects}}--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 19:27, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
oh,thank u.[[User:Auraguardian197|'''Auraguardian''']][[User talk:Auraguardian197|'''197''']] 19:34, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

== Cheren's age ==

http://serebii.net/blackwhite/

If you read this it says: ''The games also have you playing as protagonists older than the previous playable characters.'' Serebii is always accurate! It may not imply what exact age they are but they are definitely not 10/12! {{unsigned|Solarbeam96}}
:There is no proof of them being 15/17 either, that's why it was reverted. We need to be accurate. Sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> next time too. '''''[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost... [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]''''' 16:02, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

There's also no proof of him being 10/12 either. So how is that accurate? --- {{unsigned|Solarbeam96}}
::We rely on using official sources, rather than other fansites when gathering the information for this wiki. And for the record, as the human he is (and so we are), Serebii isn't always accurate. We know they're at least ten years old because Cheren says he's known Bianca for ten years. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:18, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

== capitalized 'contests' ==

When i was going through some pages,i noticed that some 'contests'(link and normal text) are capitalized,while in some other pages they are not. So should they be capitalized or not? I capitalized one i saw so if it is wrong pls tell and i'll correct it. Thank u! [[User:Auraguardian197|'''Auraguardian''']][[User talk:Auraguardian197|'''197''']] 18:40, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
:It depends, if you refer to Pokémon Contests then yes, but if you refer to another type of contest, ex: "Racing contest", or "Ash had a running contest with Morrison" then no.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 18:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
In the Pokemon Contests article many 'contests'(ex:Normal Rank 'contest','contests' are held,etc.) and in the dp062 article ("still upset about losing her(Dawn's) last 'contest') the 'contests' are not capatilized. Is it ok if i capitalize it?[[User:Auraguardian197|'''Auraguardian''']][[User talk:Auraguardian197|'''197''']] 18:56, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, everything that refers to Contests as Pokémon Contests, Normal Rank or any Rank Contest is a Pokémon Contest, Dawn being upset about losing a Contest refers to a Pokémon Contest.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 19:03, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank u. I changed most of them. Btw i'd like know more abt subst:welcome,like who puts it etc. Can somebody help? [[User:Auraguardian197|'''Auraguardian''']][[User talk:Auraguardian197|'''197''']] 20:06, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
:Oh that's for welcoming new users. When you see a new user's talk page without it just add that <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> to his/her page and he/she'll have it too. {{unsigned|DJWolfy}}
::If you are ever unsure about capitalizations, please check [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Pokémon Syntax]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

== thx for the heads up ==

thx for the heads up on the template thing. I didn't read their warning and i didn't know about the violation thing. I just went ahead and removed the whole thing, the code stuff is to hard and I'm to old to learn it. I have a hard enough time learning about the new Pokémon. The first 151 cake, the next 100 additional ones *insert fonzy* the Gen III challenging...everything else....ugh.. @_@

As for me asking kenji-girl to have a word with Jo the Marten, I wasn't over reacting. Jo the Marten was being very pessimistic (that the right word?) and unpleasant. I asked Kenji-girl to take a look so I wasn't tempted to say something and start more trouble then the internet is worth. I'm too old to get roped into the things I always hear kids complain about, like flame wars and trolls. I don't want my every interaction with Jo the Marten to be an unpleasant one, but they seem to be putting off some bad mojo in the last couple of days. From getting on me about a innocent typo of their name, to undoing the * thingy and saying (I don't like this. I don't like this at all.) in the summary. I'm trying to not take things personal, but those little petty things are starting to add up.

As for the Masatoshi my wording might have been less then delicate, I'm not always able to express myself the way I'd like.

Plus I think when my eyes played their tricked where I saw her/his name instead of DJ...whatever I might have came off like I was blaming them for the end of the world.

I did over react on Masatoshi and I'll say sorry to them before I have another unneeded tension.

On another note, while I have slept since that day i was up 27 hours, I've not had the most restful sleeps. So I might be a little extra sensitive, but Jo's comment on that talk page was pretty Simon Cowell like. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 10:31, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:While it is good that you decided to go to an admin rather than potentially get into a fight, it doesn't look very nice telling another admin to talk to someone, and it would have been better phrased if you had simply asked Kenji-girl to take a look at the situation, not told her what to do. Jo probably could have been a bit less blunt, but she didn't mean to be rude. Also, I really do appreciate that you went and apologized to Masatoshi; that really showed me that you can improve on your mistakes, which is a trait that not enough people have. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:47, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

:::I wasn't telling Kenji girl to do anything, I asked her. I forgot to say please but I did ask with niceness intended. Aw man, this situation is getting a little out of hand, and I want to clear the board and set everyone straight on the issue; but the aggression is arising and I doubt this can get any better with everyone like this.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 17:52, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

== Sigantur Image ==

Is dat ok? --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] [[User talk:Altruis|''ノーマル'']] 15:33, 26 May 2012 (UTC) <---?
:There's no image in it, so yes, that's fine. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:34, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

== Idea ==

I've got a huge idea. Since there are problems with the types I suggest to be made a separate template for types without the dash. And I think we should make use of the <nowiki>{{type}}</nowiki>, therefore a <nowiki>{{type|Fire}}</nowiki> would be Fire type and <nowiki>{{type|Fire}}</nowiki> would be Fire-type ? Plus, regardless of what you do if you write <nowiki>{{type|Fire|Fire type}}</nowiki> it still adds the dash. How about it ? --[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 19:52, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if i understand u correctly,but why do we need a new template? Can't we use the <nowiki>{{t}}</nowiki> template? [[User:Auraguardian197|'''Auraguardian''']][[User talk:Auraguardian197|'''197''']] 17:43, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
::Yeah but using "{{t|Fire}} type" just doesn't look good. Plus, it would be better if we find a use for that useless <type> template since that and <type2> both do the same thing. I don't mind correcting them. Also, please remember to use the indentation column <nowiki>":"</nowiki> at the beginning of the sentence so your comment doesn't interfere with mine or anyone else's. --[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 17:54, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah. But we only need to use the <nowiki>{{t}}</nowiki> template in places like,for ex-"the {{t|Fire}} pokemon,etc. So i guess there's no need for 'type'. Ur thoughts? And sorry abt the indent thing.[[User:Auraguardian197|'''Auraguardian''']][[User talk:Auraguardian197|'''197''']] 18:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
::Not really, Charizard is a Fire type, Brock is an expert in Rock types, etc.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 18:20, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh,now i get it. But there's still one thing i don't understand. Can't we just use type2 for that? I'm just asking,that's all. I'm still new here so just don't take me too seriously ;-) [[User:Auraguardian197|'''Auraguardian''']][[User talk:Auraguardian197|'''197''']] 18:37, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
::Because "Charizard is a Fire type" refers to a complement". Therefore, Charizard is a what ? (a Fire type). The dash applies to adjectives. Therefore, Charizard is a {{type|Fire}} Pokémon. This refers to an adjective. It answers to the question: What kind of Pokémon is Charizard ? Take a look {{u|SnorlaxMonster/Pokémon Syntax|here}}, it's almost an official policy.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 18:50, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

ok,i got it.[[User:Auraguardian197|'''Auraguardian''']][[User talk:Auraguardian197|'''197''']] 18:58, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
::Well ok, just remember to read this when you get back.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 12:30, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I don't like it and I don't think it should link as [[Fire (type)|Fire type]] anyway (I prefer {{t|Fire}} type). I would like to see {{redlink|Template:Type2|<code><nowiki>{{type2}}</nowiki></code>}} eventually become {{template|type}}, so that will be its use. I think <nowiki>{{t|Fire}} type</nowiki> should continue to be used. Also, in regards to my absence, I should still be able to make time on the weekends, just not weekdays; the reason I posted it then was that I realized that I had been gone for a large number of days without saying anything in public (I had mentioned it to the staff). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:44, 1 June 2012 (UTC)--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:44, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::Okay then.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 13:06, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

== Some questions ==

Hi, I have 2 questions for you:

- This one may help me to discover glitches other than the GB Sounds glitch (remember?), or not, because I don't really know the subject: what are hexadecimals???

- Can you please tell me the code necessary to make that huge user bar that you have on your page (that on that says "Welcome to SnorlaxMonster" at the beggining), along with the code for that HP bar? I will make the necessary changes. It's because I want to have more information on my user page. [[User:TheOriginalOne|TheOriginalOne]] 13:28, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
:Everything in a video game has an [[index number]]. Due to computers storing data in binary, which is grouped into bytes, a byte can store one of 256 different combinations of bits. One byte is most easily expressed as 2 hexidecimal digits—with hexadecimal being base 16 and A=10, B=11, C=12, D=13, E=14, and F=15. So each glitch Pokémon has its index number expressed as two hexdecimal digits (four in Gen III+). This also means that there are 256 slots for Pokémon in the Generation I and II games, and thus 105 (256-151) glitch Pokémon in each Generation I game (counting Missingno.'s multiple index numbers as individual Pokémon) and 5 (256-251) glitch Pokémon in each Generation II game.
:The code for my header can be easily viewed [[User:SnorlaxMonster/nav|here]] (just edit it ''without saving''). The HP bar template is [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Archive|here]], but I'd rather you didn't straight out copy/paste that as it took a fair amount of work to make (the navigation header is simply a modification of the old main page header). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:49, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Today I was going to do some final edits to my userspace elements based on those from you that we have talked about some time ago, so that there would be no copyright discussions. And guess what? Your friend that's also an admin, Jo_The_marten, deletes all I've done saying that I violated copyright! Then I told him that you have authorized me to do so with the necessary edits (remember)...and then he says that he PERSONALY heard from you the complaint that I was making it too much similar (not only it was starting to get much different, as now, as I've just said 3 lines ago, I was going to make major edits. I've suggested him that you took a look at the new code that I was going to write (and it's still not written). So, what do you say about all this stuff? [[User:TheOriginalOne|TheOriginalOne]] ([[User talk:TheOriginalOne|talk]]) 20:05, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

== Protection ==

Could you protect these please ? {{template|Safari}}, {{template|Coin}}, {{template|Chap2}} --[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 11:43, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:Done, but not {{template|chap2}} because its usage is way too low to justify it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:49, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

== Keldeo's formes ==

Should I hold off on adding any information on Keldeo's two formes? [[User:G50|''G'']][[User talk:G50|''50'']] 07:53, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
:Probably best to wait until we have more than just a name and we actually get confirmation that the CoroCoro cover Keldeo is the new forme. {{unsigned|SnorlaxMonster}}
::Okay. [[User:G50|''G'']][[User talk:G50|''50'']] 07:59, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Well, if it helps, the yellow text on its mane on the CoroCoro pic says '{{tt|Kakugo-no-Sugata|Resolute Form, but after seeing Reijū and Keshin here, I don't know what'll get used anymore...}} Keldeo appears!' [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] ([[User talk:Bluesun|talk]]) 01:39, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Bulbanews has been referring to it as "Resolution Forme", so that's what we would use. As for the kami trio... I know we strangely haven't been translating the names, and I really think it would be best if we did. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:50, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

== Mystery Dungeon 1 characters ==
Hi, I saw your edit summary on Whiscash's page and decided to write this as I've been playing through Blue version again recently. Would you mind giving it a quick look over to see if it's mainspaceable please? Thanks, ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 06:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
:It is certainly mainspaceable, but I would suggest putting in an infobox, like every PMD2 character has. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:37, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
::I have added an infobox and even found a picture for it. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 14:29, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Hi, sorry to bother you again but do you think it's ready for mainspace now? Thanks, ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 14:00, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Made a page for Xatu as well. Will start one on Gardevoir in a minute too. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 14:32, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::Just put them straight in the mainspace now. It makes it easier. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::Okay then. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 14:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::There are a few others I thought about, like Ninetales, Magnemite, and Diglett; however, I left them because I was unsure. If you think they're notable, go ahead and make them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:24, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for wrapping up the details on my editorial piece. --[[User:Evil Figment|Evil Figment]] ([[User talk:Evil Figment|talk]]) 07:28, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
:Something that I noticed was that nowhere in your article did you link to the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f351/striving-equality-134106/ forums announcement]. Since the article gets a little confusing without it I would suggest it, but I didn't want to mess around with it too much because it is your editorial. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:32, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

== EvoTemplate ==

Isn't the <nowiki>{{evostone}}</nowiki> template kind of useless since you have to write the word "stone" when linking instead of the template inputing it automatically ? For example, as you know you have to write <nowiki>{{evostone|Fire Stone}}</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>{{evostone|Fire}}</nowiki>. The latter would be more convenient if it would automatically write the word "Stone" as with the <nowiki>{{Badge}}</nowiki> template.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 12:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
:Uhm also, why everytime I want to link to a movie Pokémon I have to enter his name twice. ex: <nowiki>{{mov|Mew|Mew|8}}</nowiki> instead of what would be more easier <nowiki>{{mov|Mew|8}}</nowiki>?
:Also, please add the <nowiki>{{TR}}</nowiki> template on the page.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 16:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
::Evostone is already used so much that changing it would break a tonne of pages (and I personally think the name is too long and "stone" would be a better name anyway). I hate the movie template anyway and always use OBP instead. TR added (make sure you use {{template|MTR}} instead of it for Meowth). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
:::No worries SM, I know that. But thanks. Btw, do we really need the <nowiki>{{E4}}</nowiki> template. It's only a useless redirect. Plus I've changed it to the real template (EF) on all the pages it appeared. It still links to 4 talk pages (including yours) which I cannot modify them (because they're protected archives). Shouldn't it be deleted ? Also you could change the evostone to stone as you said and let BulbaBot modify them all as it did with <nowiki>{{type}}</nowiki>. Therefore <nowiki>{{stone|Fire}}</nowiki> would link to Fire Stone. Simple as that.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 11:30, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Yeah, that was why I brought up that I thought the name was too long; I was indirectly suggesting that. I have delinked every other usage of E4, so I'll delete it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:47, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
No wonder you've been promoted. You're really helpful. Thanks SM ! Btw, can visitor messages on the forums be deleted ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 11:50, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
:Also, wasn't Kuki banned ? Because he still has his account on the forums.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 13:55, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
::Forums and wiki bans do not apply on the other (except in special cases). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:58, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
:::I don't know. Wasn't he a big issue and banned like a lot of times (on the other wikis too) ? Also his recently {{tt|made account|SandmanDP}} was banned too. Can visitor messages on the forums be deleted ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 14:15, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
::::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/members/12490/index14.html#visitor_messaging I deleted one back when I wasn't staff], but I don't know if non-staff can anymore. I can delete messages as a staff member though. Also, fun fact: SandmanDP was made back in 2007, while Kuki was made in 2008, so SandmanDP is older, but he didn't use it until long after Kuki was banned. I believe he's been told to not use the forum for wiki matters as he's been banned from it though. If he's making you feel uncomfortable, you can always report the VM. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:25, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Na.. let him have it. But could you delete his {{tt|visitor message|I dislike stalkers}} from my page on the forums ? I have the same name as here. What's the VM ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 14:29, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
:Not sure what you meant by "let him have it". The comment that I deleted? I deleted them because "No longer needed. Just about whether or not I was logged on at the time. Should have been a PM.". The content was merely the other user saying "snorlax you there?" and me replying "I am now, now that the server is back up." If the VM is worthy of being deleted, it should be reported first; I don't like doing forum mod stuff despite having powers there because I really don't know their policies and I'm not that active there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:39, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
::By let him have it I meant that I won't report him for the moment. But who are the people in charge of the forums ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 14:44, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
:::See [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f223/staff-chart-whos-boss-forum-128376/ here] for an organised list. There's also [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showgroups.php this list of everyone with powers] (including simply being able to see the staff forum). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:52, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
::::I have one curiosity. How did the staff find out that Sandman and Kuki are the same ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 18:16, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::We have our ways. IPs and similarity in behavior mainly. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:47, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Great. Could you add the <nowiki>{{ra}}</nowiki> template ? Also, since I've started this discussion with the stones.. what will happen to that template afterall ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 07:41, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:{{template|ra}} added. Also, I realized why you need to type "stone" at the end when using that template; most stones are two words like "Fire Stone", but "Thunderstone" is one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:26, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
::That's a shame.. Oh well. Do we really need the <nowiki>{{en}}</nowiki> template ? It's just a redirect to the real deal <nowiki>{{Eng}}</nowiki>. Plus I've modified it everywhere except for a [[Talk:Hungry Snorlax (Nintendo 64 promo)|talk page]] (because I'm not sure if I'm allowed to change talk pages only for a redirect).--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 09:32, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Yeah, don't edit talk pages for relinking unless the redirect/template is going to be deleted. Anyway, done. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:36, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Great! One last thing before I leave. I've proposed recently to Adyniz that we should have a <nowiki>{{Todd}}</nowiki> template for [[Todd Snap]] in order not to link as <nowiki>[[Todd Snap|Todd]]</nowiki>. Would be much easier. What do you say ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 09:45, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::Well, I believe he has been called both "Todd" and "Snap" so I think it would be better to use his full name when linking to him. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:47, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
Not really... The majority of it appears as Todd. (mostly anime). And everywhere it appears, it appears as <nowiki>[[Todd Snap|Todd]]</nowiki>, pretty redundant.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 09:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:If it's being used in articles as <nowiki>[[Todd Snap|Todd]]</nowiki>, then I would say a template is worthwhile. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:51, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
::Yep, that's exactly what I said. That means there are possibilites that a template will be made ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 09:52, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

== Two questions ==

Hello, SnorlaxMonster! I was wondering:

# In the games, when someone refers to a type, it's usually written as "<type's name>-type", like Poison-type, with an hyphen. With the Template:Type this works well, like in {{type|Poison}}. This way, the Template:T can be used in cases like "{{t|Bug}}, {{t|Fighting}} and {{type|Dragon}}". However, you undid one of my edits to the use of "{{t|Fire}} type", with no hyphen, and Wolfy is following this. What is the correct?
# Since you're a senior admin, can't you just split [[Form differences]] or do you need approval from other admins, because none of them has stated their views so far.

That's it. =) [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 21:16, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
:For the first one, they should only be hyphenated when used as an adjective (e.g. {{type|Fire}} Pokémon...). When used as a noun they should not be hyphenated (e.g. Snorlax is {{t|Normal}} type.) This reflects both proper grammar and in-game usage. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
::Got it! ;) [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 21:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Sorry for barging in but {{u|SnorlaxMonster/Pokémon Syntax|this}} explains it better. Also it provides answers for other unclarities.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 11:13, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
::::#I think this was just a typo, but one example Werdnae gave was not entirely correct. Correct usage would be "Snorlax is a {{t|Normal}} type" (used as a noun) or "Snorlax is {{type|Normal}}" (used as an adjective).
::::#To a degree, I probably could. However, I generally prefer to run it past other admins first (which I did when I saw this and they were fine with it). Also, I tend to have 10 things I want to do at once, so a lot of things have to get put off. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:09, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::Ah, now it makes sense. Helpful page, Wolfy, thank you! Thanks, people! [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 20:53, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

== Does my userspace violate your copyright? ==

Hi! You may have noticed the message that I have left in the "some questions" section. I've already received the codes from Jo_The_Marten and made many, many changes. I'm going to post the link to that here (please pay attention to the difference in the links, specially in the archive section, where they are completely different; also ignore the hex section, which I think I won't write again; I'll also not post the "random pokemon" part again). Anyways, please pay attention to the differences for you to tell me if all these changes were enough. Well, here is the link: http://www.mediafire.com/?jt2cnq7t1stvbfs [[User:TheOriginalOne|TheOriginalOne]] ([[User talk:TheOriginalOne|talk]]) 23:22, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
:Nav looks fine; that is the one I said I didn't mind at all if you copied. Just letting you know that there is no |} at the bottom of it, so if you try and put it on a page it will eat up everything. Your "today" template is an exact copy and completely unnecessary; just transclude mine. And I think you misunderstood what I said about my talk page HP bar; I don't want you copying the code, but I don't mind if you look at the code to see how I did certain aspects of it (hoverexpand, the HP bar itself, etc.) and making your own. There are [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/hp-bar-user-talk-pages-78681/#post2123229 other users] who make talk page HP bars who don't mind you using theirs though (make sure you ask first though). And again, your decimal to hexadecimal converter is exactly the same as mine, so if you want to use one just use mine. Anyway, the reason I complained to Jo was because by taking so much of my stuff you made your userpage look almost exactly the same as mine. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:09, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Well, about the "eat-up" part, I'm going to leave it as it is, because it sounds funny to me to have it as a background (besides, it will look even more different from your page). Also, I was still thinking about having "today" copied because I will then try to ask for more info from "today in history" to The dark lord trombonator, for it to be more complete and for your page not to be affected... or will you do the same thing, so that this part will become really unnecessary? And will adding a picture of a battle with missingno. fighting in the upper part be enought for my HP bar to be original? Also, I've already told you that I won't use the "/hex", tought it is mentioned in the file. Well, I'm looking forward to your answer for me to know what I can do. [[User:TheOriginalOne|TheOriginalOne]] ([[User talk:TheOriginalOne|talk]]) 13:18, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
:You including /hex in the file made me think you were going to use it. If you want to copy what trom has into a template and use that, go ahead; trom's page is virtually a Bulbapediaspace/templatespace page anyway, so you can copy the code from it if you want (just don't copy the entire page with all of his notes and everything because that's pointless). I think it will just look ugly if it eats the page, but whatever you prefer. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:35, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

OK, and what about the HP bar? Did you read that part? [[User:TheOriginalOne|TheOriginalOne]] ([[User talk:TheOriginalOne|talk]]) 13:46, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
:Oh, I knew I missed a bit. No, that is not what I meant at all. I don't mean copy then change mine, I mean make your own possibly looking at mine to see how I did it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:47, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I was asking if you had read my suggestion in this section about a picture of a battle with missingno. Are you talking about that? Oh, and I've already noticed what you meant with "ugly". I've already reached the limit of 3 edits per day, so tomorrow I'll do things like changing the color of the bottom of the nav. [[User:TheOriginalOne|TheOriginalOne]] ([[User talk:TheOriginalOne|talk]]) 14:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
:I meant that simply adding a picture of battling Missingno. to mine is not enough to qualify as original. And that is why you should use the preview button before saving. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:07, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

"that is why you should use the preview button before saving."... That's a little ambiguous:

*If you're talking about the "ugly" part: Remember that I have to work with 2 pages: the nav and the normal one. So, the code necessary for the nav to eat up or not is in the nav section, a page where I cannot preview how it's going to look like in the normal page. Then, I used the preview button when I was editing the normal page, and that was when I noticed that it was ugly. Then I tought "Oh no! But... I can click the edit button (that was the third edit) and then, tomorrow, modify the nav section. I just need some patience."

*If you're talking about the HP bar... I didn't save it :)

Oh yeah, now I'll try to make major edits to the HP bar. [[User:TheOriginalOne|TheOriginalOne]] ([[User talk:TheOriginalOne|talk]]) 14:20, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, I meant the nav template. And I warned you it would do that anyway. Regardless... if you previewed and saw it looked ugly, you could still have manually put a |} outside of the template. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:30, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

No, because as I said, at that time I had already edited the nav, and in the nav page I couldn't preview what was going to happen in the main page... so there's also something I forgot to mention: I deleted a part of the code that I've discovered that in fact it wasn't what you were talking about... but, anyway, I won't search for it again: as I said some time ago, I'll just change it to a lighter color. [[User:TheOriginalOne|TheOriginalOne]] ([[User talk:TheOriginalOne|talk]]) 14:53, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

== Celebi ==

I added the delete tag on [[User:Memo326/Celebi (movie 13)|this page]] since we already had [[Celebi (M13)|a page on Celebi]]. Your revision on the former tells me it is a sample page. Is there a template to place on the sample page? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 13:23, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:[[User:Memo326/Celebi_(movie_13)#Game_event|This section]] is not on the current article in that manner. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:25, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
::That should be agreeable. By the way, congratulation on your promotion to the Advisory Council on the archives. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 13:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

== The two templates ==
::I noticed that the {{template|Questionable Notability}} has been changed to {{template|DiscussDelete}} with the notability reason on the other pages. Was there anything wrong? [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 13:42, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:::{{template|Questionable Notability}} states in its description that "This article has been protected due to the subject of this article being of questionable notability." and also places it in the {{cat|protected pages}} category. I'm not even sure why we still have it, because we don't protect pages if they have questionable notability anymore. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
::::I think the template distinguishes the fact that users can choose whether or not if a page is worthy enough to be kept instead of it getting deleted automatically. Placing the DiscussDelete tag would be a reminder to have it deleted immediately, but you do have a good point about the Questionable Notability template being redundant to the DiscussDelete one. I would find it ironic that the latter would be placed on the former (if it did happen). [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 13:52, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::The {{template|delete}} tag is for immediate deletion; {{template|DiscussDelete}} requires discussion first. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:54, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::I think the {{template|DiscussDelete}} template should be placed on the {{template|Questionable Notability}} one for that matter. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 14:00, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

==HP bar==

Is my HP bar OK like this:

{| align="center" style="background: #{{black color}}; width: 500px; border: 3px solid #{{red color}}"
|- style="background: #{{black color}}" |
! align="left" style="width:32px" | [[File:{{#ifexpr:100 - floor({{PAGESIZE:User talk:TheOriginalOne|R}} div 1024) <= 0}}Missingno_RB.png|link=User talk:TheOriginalOne]]
! {{#ifexpr: 100 - floor({{PAGESIZE:User talk:TheOriginalOne|R}} div 1024) <= 0|This page needs archiving|{{#expr: 100 - floor({{PAGESIZE:User talk:TheOriginalOne|R}} div 1024)}}/∞ HP}}
|- class="roundy"
| colspan="2" | <div class="statbar; roundy" style="background:#{{{{#ifexpr: 100 - floor({{PAGESIZE:User talk:TheOriginalOne|R}} div 1024) < 25|red|{{#ifexpr: 100 - floor({{PAGESIZE:User talk:TheOriginalOne|R}} div 1024) < 50|yellow|green}}}} color}}; width:{{#expr: floor(100 - {{PAGESIZE:User talk:TheOriginalOne|R}} div 1024)|R}}%"> </div>
|-
|colspan=2|
{|style="background: #{{blue color}}; width:500px"
|style="background: #{{fire color}}; width:100%" colspan="2" class="roundytop" align="center"|What will Missingno. do?
|-
|style="background: #{{firered color light}}; width:50%" class="roundy" align="center"|[{{fullurl:User talk:TheOriginalOne|action=edit&section=new}} Fight]
|style="background: #{{firered color light}}; width:50%" class="roundy" align="center"|<div class="hoverexpand">{{tt|Pokémon|}} 
{|style="background: #{{platinum color light}}" class="roundy"
|style="background: #{{yellow color}}; {{roundy|16px}}"|[[File:389MS.png|link=User:TheOriginalOne]]
|style="background: #{{yellow color}}; {{roundy|16px}}"|[[File:398MS.png|link=User talk:TheOriginalOne]]
|style="background: #{{yellow color}}; {{roundy|16px}}"|[[File:405MS.png|link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1-nZ40Z2io]]
|style="background: #{{yellow color}}; {{roundy|16px}}"|[[File:078MS.png|link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvAPbGCPXuA]]
|}
</div>
|-
|style="background: #{{firered color light}}; width:50%" class="roundy" align="center"|[{{fullurl:http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_glitches_in_Generation_IV#GB_Sounds_glitch}} Items]
|style="background: #{{firered color light}}; width:50%" class="roundy" align="center"|[[Special:Random|Run]]
|}
|}
{{-}}

I didn't have patience to upload it to another website, so I've posted it here. What about it? For me it seems very different from yours. [[User:TheOriginalOne|TheOriginalOne]] ([[User talk:TheOriginalOne|talk]]) 14:57, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:No, posting it here rather than uploading it elsewhere is probably easier. Anyway, you still don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Do not use my template as a base and modify it; you can create your own or modify someone else's (that allows you to) and use mine as a ''reference only''. So while it is different from mine, you have still clearly used my template as a base. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

== Type - Leaders ==

So.. I've noticed that if you look on a Gym Leader's page at the charinfobox where it is writen his/her specialization, the type is hypenated. Should it be that way ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 20:47, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's bothered me for a while. They should be "{{t|Electric}} types" etc. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::Great, that means I can go right ahead and modify them right ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 17:13, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
:::Done. Btw, please add the <nowiki>{{GnB}}</nowiki> template.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 21:14, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
::::Also, should the <nowiki>{{spoilers}}</nowiki> template be added ?--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 15:58, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::Aaaand the <nowiki>{{mdc|<name>|2}}</nowiki> template. Sorry, I keep forgetting them.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 16:17, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::Added the GnB and mdc, but <nowiki>{{spoilers}}</nowiki> isn't a link template. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:32, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Excellent ! Do we really need the <nowiki>{{spoiler}}</nowiki> (without the s) template ? It's just a redirect. Plus I've relinked the other articles with the exception of [[Paul]]'s page because it's protected and talk pages.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 11:40, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
:Honestly, there is no problem with template redirects. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:28, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
::Yeah but I see no point in keeping them since I've modified'em all. We've done the same with "E4" and "En". Plus, redirects take longer to load the page. And {{tt|I|at least me}} get the 503 error more often when using redirects.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 15:33, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
:::I do not believe there is any relationship between redirects and 503s. I get them everywhere, from previewing to the main page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

== Movedesc template ==

Looking through the list of moves and notice that some of the descriptions are the same for RSE and ColoXD, however combining them just gives a blank white space on the template itself. Is there any way to fix this problem or is it intentional? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 17:14, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
:Added that combination. If there's any more combinations you need added, just let me know. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
::Going to work on these more later today after I get done creating user talk pages for everyone who made an account during the site lockdown. Care to add the combination of RSEColoXDFRLG (I imagine the gen IV and V games will look fine after that) just in case I run into something like that? Thank you. :) ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 13:58, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Hijacking for a moment. Does that table have to be limited to "main games" only? I don't know about any other side games, but Conquest has move descriptions for the one move each pokémon has. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 14:04, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
:I would rather restrict it to main and side series game at the moment. Conquest, PMD, and Rumble move descriptions would hopefully go in a separate table (pretty sure those are the only spin-offs with move descriptions). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:06, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

== Oshawott. ==

I've checked [http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg824/scaled.php?server=824&filename=yayje.png&res=landing entry] in White 2, and it seems to identical to what someone put in Black 2. However, I can't find any field for that. And yes, I managed to get {{tt|White 2|Though it's pretty slow, about 10-20 FPS everywhere}}. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 09:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
:Just use "b2w2dex=" --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:07, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
::Oh, and it seems that exp yield, or formula, has been changed once again, as I got 94 EXP from rival battle (Lv. 5 Snivy vs Lv. 5 Oshawott), and that should be - {[(1.5*28*5)/(5*1)] * [(2*5+10)^2.5/(5+5+10)^2.5]} * 1 * 1 * 1 = (1.5*28) * 1 = 42; I got about 2 and 1/3 as much as that. Also, in BW it took me two fights to get Lv. 6, against both Cheren and Bianca, but here only one. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 10:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

== AIM ==

Could you get back on AIM, some things need discussing. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 09:30, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

== templates ==

Yeah, hello, long time no see. Now let's get down to business. Since no page leads to the <nowiki>{{mo}}</nowiki> template which is only a redirect for the mov, and the same with the <nowiki>{{spoiler}}</nowiki> which is a redirect of spoilers, could you delete them as you did with the previous unused templates ? --[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 15:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
:Okay, I'll delete them, but please don't worry with template redirects right now. They aren't doing any harm. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:49, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
::Well, I could swear I get most 503's from redirects. At least me...--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 17:49, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

== Focus Punch charging ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdSCC6K_3hA Seems] to be priority +8 or something, it outspeeded Pursuit's user, despite being slower than it. Now we need to check Generation IV and V.[[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 19:37, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
:Since it even outspeeds switching of the Pokémon using it, that was expected. Now we just need to test other gens (I guess BW wouldn't be too hard for me to do). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:21, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

==GB Sounds glitch... AGAIN!==

Hey, remember that long conversation we had about the GB Sounds glitch after I discovered it? Remember when at the end we said "case closed"? Well... it's not case closed; the saga goes on! I've made a new discovery, but it is a little confuse, so I guess we should talk about that. Well, here is it:

Some time ago I've published a video with a tutorial about how to perform the glitch, and then I've noticed a weird video about what could possibly be another version of the glitch. Here's the description:

''So... I was online with my friend doing the Battle Frontier. We finished, we go offline. The moment I go offline, I press Y to turn off the GBA Player (an object used to change the BGM to play the 8-bit versions of the songs, for those who don't know) at the same time that Cooltrainer Reena calls me. The message "Turned off the power for GB Sounds" shows up, but instead of the usual pokemon center music returning to play...''

(she says "Battle Frontier", but in fact [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBSQmq-6QQs| the video] shows the Pokémon Center in B1F; also, she said GBA instead of GB; "BGM" means "Background Music".)

Analysing what she said, and what happened in the video, I came up with the idea that I was looking at a new type of the glitch, because in fact I did not discover the GB Sounds glitch, instead I've just discovered what I call the "Cinnabar type". Well, I was facing a second type, which I call... this is where our problems begin: I don't know if the cause of the glitch was really what she said, I mean, if it was because the GB Sounds was turned off at the exact moment someone was calling her (the "Pokégear type"), because she turned it on before she was connected and off after that (the "Wi-fi type"), or because of any other unknown reason.

There is another non-investigated (it requires the answer to the first problem) mystery about this: she mentions an interessing thing about the glitch, which is the fact that, contrary to what happens in the Cinnabar type, this time you can use the Y feature. What if we use it from the bag?

Or maybe she fooled us and this new type doesn't even exist... I think we should both fully investigate this, don't you agree? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 14:43, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Ah yeah, another discovery: I found out that the so-called Cinnabar type, the one that I discovered, can be exploited in another way. I was investigating and I found out that in fact you don't need to return to Cinnabar Island after turning on the GB Sounds, I mean, you can remain in Route 20 and then return to the bag and turn it off again, because the glitch will still happen (I've already made that edit in the mainspace). [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 22:35, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
:I figured I should probably reply to this rather than just leaving you with no answer at all, but I am really busy at the moment and really don't have time to look into this right now. I'll get back to you eventually (remind me though or I'll forget). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

==Q◣==

Hey, I've just noticed that you deleted the article referred in the above title, because it was the same thing as the one named "Q". Let me just tell you what I was doing, because I don't really know if you understood it all: the original article doesn't mention all the name, and it has got the <nowiki> {{incorrect}} </nowiki> template. My plan was to copy everything to the new article, and then to turn the first one into a redirect, so that no one could get lost and the article could have the right title. I guess you didn't know this last part, about the redirect to the new article. So, what's the problem now? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 13:10, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
:To change an article title, you move it, not create a new page and copy all the information over. Even if you were to do it the latter way, it should all be done in one edit, not multiple. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:11, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
What do you mean with "move it"??? Also, I found no way of making it with just one edit, because when I clicked on "edit", I was just allowed to read the code for that specific section. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 13:26, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
:Please read {{bp|a guide to Bulbapedia}}. To edit the whole page, use the edit tab at the top of the page. To move a page, use the move tab. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:38, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for teaching me that, I've already moved the page. I'll use it as a future reference. Also, I've changed the <nowiki> {{GlitchPkmn}} </nowiki> template, so that now it shows the correct name (I know that the old article was turned into a redirect, but I did this just for the template to be correct). Well, thank you again. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 19:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

== VS Sprite for PCs ==

Just saying that there is bigger version for Champion fight. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=061di1hBfJI Click]! [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 13:36, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know. They're on Spriters' Resource too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:38, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

==Another glitch...==

Hey...3 conversations with you at the same time, this is a little confuse! Well, but the point is: while I was searching for youtube videos about B2W2 glitches that could replace the dailymotion ones (yes, I've read the warning) that were posted in the gen V glitches page, I suddenly noticed one about a glitch that... isn't posted here! I still need to know some more things about it, so I asked many questions to the publisher, including if the glitch was emulator-only (if it is, then it doesn't count, right?). You can read such comments [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEGHTx-5U4A |here] (the 2 comments by the one named MasterX26681). I'm still waiting for a reply. Anyways, do you have the game in order that you can test the glitch? What do you think of this? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 13:46, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
:Various Female Breeders appear to rebattle you without any reason given in game. It occurs with all Female Breeders I've seen, as soon as you leave the area; they rebattle, same levels. That person didn't discover it, various people in different places have noted it, playing on real DSes, emulators, whatever, and it seems too big an oversight to have been a glitch in my opinion -- though it seems odd that it isn't spoken about in-game if it's intentional. It gets annoying on Route 11 as when I do my Hollow checks around the area I always forget about the breeder there. xD [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] ([[User talk:Bluesun|talk]]) 14:39, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
::Yeah, I had heard about the female Breeders rebattling you, and like bluesun, I believe it doesn't appear to be a glitch (like all those B-button response Trainers). And no, I don't own Black 2 or White 2. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:51, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

== Welcome line ==

Hey, just wanted to know if you could help me remove that annoying black line from above "Welcome" on my Userpage. Also I wanted to extend my apologies for being inactive for quite a while, school has burdened me. I will aim to make pages for ''every'' glitch Pokémon this year. Thanks --[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 05:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
:I don't see the black line. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:04, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
::Well it seems it only shows in IE for me but even in other browsers there is a space there.
::[http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv221/rsrdaman/line.jpg This] is the {{tt|picture|Line circled in pink}}. --[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 04:25, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm using Chrome and I can also see that line. Hey, RsrDaman, I was scrolling SnorlaxMonster's talk page when I noticed this conversation. I tried to view the source code for your page, and kept using the preview button, and guess what? '''I'VE GOT THE SOLUTION TO YOUR PROBLEM!!!''' Just remove the following code:
<pre>
{| align="center" width="100%" style="background: #666666; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 3px solid #000000;"
|-
| style="background: #{{Unknown color dark}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; padding: 1em 1em;" |
{| align="left" width="20%" style="background: #666666; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 2px solid #000000; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0em;"
|-
{| align="right" width="15%" style="background: #666666; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 3px solid #000000;"
|-
</pre>

[[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 13:02, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

== Today template ==

Hey, remember when you allowed me to copy your today template, and when I said that I wanted it copied in order to update it when I wanted? Well, now I was updating it, and when I clicked the preview button, I found out that there was something wrong whithin the code. I checked all the code, and it seemed that there wasn't anything wrong. You created this code, so I'm asking if you have enought patience to tell me where's the failure, please. Here's the link: http://www.mediafire.com/view/?kn1ce56vbvkklka [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 16:53, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
:You missed a square bracket at the end of <nowiki>''[[AG010|You Said a Mouthful!]''</nowiki> on December 13. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much, and... sorry for having bored you, specially because the error was minor and it was at the end of the year (I mean, code). But well, ty again, you can copy the update if you want. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 12:18, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
:I just deleted each month and previewed until it worked (which didn't actually happen because it was December), although I ended up doing multiple months at once. Then I just found the half of the month the issue was in, then spotted it. It only took about 10 minutes. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

== New Gen I glitch pages ==

I've been thinking about writing two pages about glitches in Gen I:

'''1) Glitch Pokédex wrap-around.''' Such as when a species or name of a glitch Pokémon is too long and [http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/3/31/RBGlitchDexFA.png wraps-around] the screen and even overwirtes the code for the brown borders.

'''2) Glitch sprite inconsistency.''' I've noticed that glitch sprites ''always'' suprise you. They turn backwards, completely change their appearence, change color, etc. and even just one glitch Pokémon can exhibit all of these traits.

So could I write them? Or are they not notable enough?--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 04:51, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
:No exactly sure what you're asking here. What do you mean "write them"? Yeah, I know the glitch dex entires wrap around and I really think we may be better off removing the species section from the infobox and just including an image of the dex entry. If the sprite is changing, I suppose you could write a "glitches caused" section. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
::The problem with just putting an image for the species is the Pokémons sprite covers any overlapping text behind it. So that would cause some to be lost. Also about the sprites, every single glitch pokemon is shown in different colors when viewed in the party listing, and random sprite flips happen to all of them. Just was thinking about a '''Glitch Sprite Abnormalities''' page or something.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 02:40, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
:::How are we getting the text if the text if it is covered by the sprite anyway? We can always make the Pokedex images animated. If you do make that page, ensure you use the correct capitalization (so "Glitch sprite abnormalities"). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:23, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
::::Ok, I will soon. But, you know when you first catch a new species, and then the Pokédex pops up all blank with question marks, which then fills in a second later, well in that second the Pokémon's sprite isn't there so I can see the species text momentarily behind it.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 07:44, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::Oh, that's how then. Really, most glitch species are just garbage anyway; unless they are actual words, I wouldn't worry about trying to show the species anyway. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:52, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

== Todd ==

Hey again, do you remember that I've suggested about a month ago if a template for [[Todd Snap]] should be made ? Well, have you got the time of taking into discussions with the other admins ? I know that you've been busy that's why I'm asking. --[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 08:00, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
:Ask Kenji-girl. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

== Images? ==
Question for you. I went to upload an image of what the northern exit to [[Opelucid City]] looks like now that [[Unova Route 10|Route 10]] is...well, destroyed by that landslide. Unfortunately, it seems that the common user is not allowed to upload images. I know this is separate from Wikipedia itself (in fact, this is my screenname there as well, and I've made some Pokémon edits recently there too), so I want to ask how we are to get our images on Wikipedia? I did notice in the past while articles were created there were some blank spots for future images, but it seems restrictive to say that anyone with such an image cannot upload it. How can I get that permission?

I myself am a periodic editor who might edit once or twice at a time if I see something while researching that I can improve upon, and am not someone who would monitor an entire area typically, but I want to know I can make improvements as I feel necessary. Obviously they can be reverted (and images even removed) if people disagree. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:21, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
:Images are uploaded on the [[Bulbagarden Archives]], which are located [[a:Main Page|here]]. They were locked at the same time as Bulbapedia was, but were not unlocked with it. At present, they are remaining locked to ease server stress. For now, you can upload images externally and link them to an admin to upload. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 23:05, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
::I am rather surprised by this; in my time at Wikipedia, I've seen that images are often uploaded on the same Wiki (though there is, like Archives, a "commons" Wiki with separate login also available for images that can be used on other language Wikis, like French or Japanese). My experience has been in uploading images to the same Wiki, so this will be a first for me, uploading to a different locale to link on this Wiki. New question: is there a unified login available that can go for both Wikis?
::I did just look over at the main page, and it says e-mail confirmed are among the groups permitted to upload. This leads me to believe they have opened up again, and I see no notice on the mainpage that it's locked at present. I will attempt to add an image momentarily and, if it appears in [[Unova Route 10|Route 10]], you'll know it's up again as well. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:20, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the Archives work very similarly to the Commons. It exists so that the same images can be used on both Bulbapedia and Bulbanews (it also prevents image and article categories from mixing on Bulbapedia). It is the same login there as on Bulbapedia and Bulbanews. I'm fairly sure it is still locked (although me not being blocked by it makes it hard to tell); if it is unlocked, then you can upload straight there, but I'm pretty sure it's not. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
::::It is not, though it is not very clear when you visit the page; you only find out after you attempt to upload an image. I've contacted [[User_talk:Kogoro|Kogoro]], who signed that message, inquiring both as to how to upload a single image (keeping it as my contribution, not an admin's, which is part of why I'm against a site lockdown of any form personally...I want my contributions to be mine historically, not put in by an admin. to inflate their own edit history) and as to whether there is any form of update on when it will be unlocked. I actually now have two options for images for the area I want to actually add, and I'm leaning towards the second found this morning when someone turned on walking through walls. =)

::::As an aside, I won't be joining the forum to keep updated; I'm a very sporadic editor, and other than discussions on a talk page if something needs discussing, I would not be doing much member interaction and would merely have an open and inactive account there. If people need me for anything, my talk page is open and I will be happy to discuss anything there. The reopening of Archives is a Bulbapedia issue, and I think it would be more appropriate to have a discussion page on the Wiki itself that can be Wikilinked to without having to log into another service...but that's just me and my past participation in an entire Pending Changes saga (don't ask, it was a nightmare for some) at Wikipedia that went on forever. Forum posts can be deleted from public sight; Wiki history is forever and transparent. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:01, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, Kogoro is the best person to ask since she is in charge of the Archives. However, she has already stated publicly several times that there is no opening date at present (although looking at your message on her talk page, you have seen this). There is no need to have a forums account if you don't want one; however, it often helps to discuss changes on the wiki. And while wiki history is forever, it is possible to hide edits from public view (not that it is used for anything other than vandalism). And forum posts are always there as well, but just hidden from public view. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:20, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I know what you speak of; it's referred to as "oversight" on Wikipedia. Its main use is if something private is revealed. Let's say you went and found my physical address and posted it on my profile. That could be reverted, then the edit placing it on the page gets treated with oversight so it appears crossed out in the history. The record shows an edit that should not have been made in it being crossed out. It's still shown as an edit being made (which goes with the "Wiki is forever" statement), you just can't view it. =)
::::::I hope she can help me get an image up there. I have two possible options: a screen of the girl standing at the barriers staring north, and another with walk-through walls on with the boy running into the gatehouse area and north into the forest beyond, following the Route 10 path (which no longer has the incline of course). Yes, there is a forest beyond that, and I am sure the original Opelucid map did as well, but I may be wrong. (That kid then ran off to the west without using the gatehouse and walked on water; I think he was looking for [[Missingno.]]) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 00:20, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::Regarding vandalism, don't oversight it. Wikipedia doesn't. Leave the proof for the average person to see, as most won't bother looking at the history. If they do, they'll know who the good members are. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 00:24, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
::::::: Vandalism is really only hidden if it is advertising, contains malicious links, has vulgar or derogatory language, etc. And yes, they edits are still there, just only admins can see them. However, the same thing applies to forums (I can see the little "user has deleted this post" things on the forums, but only actually view the post in the forum I have powers in, the news forum). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

==Dream World-only moves==
Looking through Pokemon pages, a lot of Pokemon have moves in the list that are available through ways other than Dream World. Should they removed? If not, should the name be changed? --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 04:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with keeping them (although we might want to consider changing the title from "Dream World-exclusive moves" to "Dream World moves") unless they are available via leveling up. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
::Yeah, it's really the title that's the problem, since it's a little misleading. If it's decided to change it to Dream World moves, I'd be happy to fix the pages. --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 18:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

== Sticky Barb. ==

What I [http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg607/scaled.php?server=607&filename=bpkmnwh2258178.png&res=landing have] in-game differs from the name [[In-battle effect item#Sticky Barb|we]] have [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 12:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
:You meant the Japanese name right? It appears that someone had bari (barb) in hiragana instead of katakana (Japanese wiki confirms that it has always been in katakana). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

== Best Wishes Season 2 ==

Look, I found an official link for the next series after Rival Destinies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pocket_Monsters:_Best_Wishes!_Season_2_episodes Please add a page for it. Thanks :) --[[User:Treeckofan18|Treeckofan18]] ([[User talk:Treeckofan18|talk]]) 18:56, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
:That's a Wikipedia page, not an official link. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:14, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

== Davidader ==
has duplicated FinnishPokémonfan92's YouTube Trainers page. Please delete it, and transfer any appropriate information to the FinnishPokémonfan92 one, since it is in your power but not mine.

Thanks!--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] ([[User talk:Muk-a-matic|talk]]) 07:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
:Dealt with. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:55, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

==Special moves/TCG-only moves==
I noticed that on most, if not all of the Unova Pokemon have those sections regardless of whether or not they have anything in them while older Pokemon pages do not have them if the Pokemon do not have TCG only or Special moves. Should it be standardized across all Pokemon pages, or is it not really important? --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 19:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
:IMO TCG-exclusive moves should be removed. And It has been discussed before, but nothing has ever happened in rgards to it, because every time some suggests "let's make X change across all Pokemon pages", someone says "well if we're doing X, we may as well do Y as well", then even if we've decided on X, we disagree on Y (or Z, or even W) and nothing gets done or decided. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

== and another tp ==

I do hope these are the last... <nowiki>{{Wikipedia}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{WP}}</nowiki> are just useless unused redirects to <nowiki>{{wp}}</nowiki>. I've unlinked all of them with the exception of the latter... I just couldn't find its location in that whole page full of them... Well, when you got the time please delete them.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 20:09, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
:and please add the <nowiki>{{SSB}}</nowiki> and the <nowiki>{{st}}</nowiki> template. thanks.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 20:48, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
::And also the template <nowiki>{{movie}}</nowiki> if you could delete it, since it's unlinked, unused and just a redirect to <nowiki>{{mov}}</nowiki>.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 10:22, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
:::And the templates <nowiki>{{town}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{city}}</nowiki>, redirects to "to" and "ci", unliked all with the exception of user and user talk pages. Hope I don't give you a rough time.--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 10:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

== Two things. ==

PMD [[:Template talk:Movedescentry|moves]]' and [[:Template talk:AbilityInfobox|abilities]]' descriptions. Abilities are just text, and they can differ between Rescue and Explorers. Conquest is in moves template, and it's a spin-off like Mystery Dungeon... though probably the moves would need another template for PMD (abilities are simple enough, so we'll use the existing). While Rescue Team in description has text, range (like foe in front) and type, Explorers also have Hit Ratio and Power, like [[Vacuum-Cut|here]]. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 10:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC) PS. And yes, the flavor text for moves also differs between Rescue and Explorers.
:I'd like to have an entire spin-offs description template for both moves and Abilities, but I'll need to discuss it with Werdnae and Jo The Marten. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

== Is [[User_talk:Kogoro|Kogoro]] on Vacation? ==

Not even a peep in reply. Feels like I'm talking to a wall whenever I ask questions, so far you're the only one to answer. =) [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 13:33, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
:And my late response here probably isn't helping either... From your message, it had appeared that you answered your own question and I assume she replied when she saw your message on my talk page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

== Template:BerryInfobox ==

On pages like [[Nutpea Berry]], the bag description has an extra blank line and no tree sprites while [[Topo Berry]] still has that blank line but has trees. Also, what does the treeimage parameter do in the berry infobox? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:04, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
:The blank lines were due to method the code used to not display irrelevant sections, which resulted in extra linebreaks in the code, which are displayed as a space. I removed them by changing the method of hiding the irrelevant sections as I was updating the alignment tags, since it also makes the code a bit easier to read. The treeimage parameter seems to be a leftover from an old version of the template - it doesn't exist in the current version, and so does nothing at all. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:40, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
::How come Topo has tree sprites while Nutpea doesn't? I think it's some sort of fallback considering how little we know about Topo in comparison. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 11:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
:::Hello? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 11:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
::::We simply haven't been able to get ahold of those sprites it appears. And personally, I think there is way too much in the Berry infobox and more info should be moved into the article body. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::I believe all the e-Reader berries use Enigma Berry's tree sprites. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 20:42, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::Fortunately I actually have an e-Reader, several e-Reader Berry cards and all the required equipment to check, so I will. However, I have always had trouble getting it to work, so it may take a little while. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:56, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Wow! All they really need is the bag description and tree sprites. (I believe they're the same as Enigma) Also, in Japan, the e-Reader was compatible with FRLGE, so they should have bag sprites. (Maybe it's just blank?) --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 14:03, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Hmm... my Sapphire's internal battery has died (in the past 2 months), so it will be tricky. I will get it to work, but it may take a little longer than I originally thought. I don't have a Japanese e-Reader, so I don't know if they do. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:10, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

=={{PK}}{{MN}}==

Hey, I was checking if some glitch articles were ok when I saw something that deeply bothered me, not only because its correction would take a lot of time, as because I'm not sure if I should correct it: I noticed that there's a glitch pokémon called {{PK}}{{MN}}, and that on its page it is referred as it is really named, with the letters at different heights. The problem is: I'm not sure if that's the only pokémon supposed to be named with those templates, because its name is just that, or if the other pokémons with those letters in the name should have their Bulbapedia names changed into their right ones. For example, thought {{PK}}{{MN}} is referred as {{PK}}{{MN}}, 7{{PK}}{{MN}} 'v is referred just as 7PkMn 'v. What I'm asking you is if I should correct that kind of mistakes, or if they shouldn't be considered mistakes at all. What should I do? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 19:49, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
:It should use those templates when mentioned in article text, but you can't use them in article titles. Personally I think PkMn should be changed to PKMN in the titles, but as I mentioned earlier, I'm very busy. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

==Unnoticed Katakana/Hiragana (?) character==

Hi, I was reviewing the article about japanese text in english games, and when I was looking at the pictures and at their description, I noticed that the second picture had a japanese character that wasn't referred in the picture description (view a picture with it highlighted here: [http://i.imgur.com/AADFM.jpg]). I neither know wheter if it's Katakana or Hiragana, nor how to find it, but you know very much about these symbols, right? If so, could you please add the character to the description? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 17:42, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
:Sorry if I'm not supposed to do this, but just from looking, it looks like hiragana u (う). --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 18:50, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
::I also apologize for intruding, but as Funktastic said. It's definitely the hiragana 「う」. (The character preceding it is 「い」, and the characters below are 「あえお」.) --[[User:神奇超龍|'''超龍''']]「'''[[User talk:神奇超龍|對話]]'''」 19:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the japanese lesson! I don't mind the intrusion, the important is that now I can correct the page. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 20:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

UPDATE: Well, looks like I still have some doubts: I noticed that many of the screens presented have got what looks like う, and that it always appeared at the same spot, next to the same type of graphics, and so I started thinking of う being just a piece of graphics. The other problem (if the う is actually text) is that at the left of the pictures, there is text, that like the pic description, shows the discovered characters. At the left of the character, a number appears... and I don't know the number for う.
'''SnorlaxMonster, what should I do???''' [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 20:23, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
:Leave it for now. The article needs a cleanup anyway, and as you can tell from a comment made on the talk page, there is another character missing too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

== Elite Four Vs Sprites ==

Figured I would go right to you since you are familiar with the issue. On the Gym Leaders page we decided to use the VS sprites for the ones we have available. That same user and a few others changes over to sprites instead of Vs sprites on the Elite Four page as well. Since you are an admin I was curious as to what you thought about this and if we should still use the VS sprites on the Elite Four page as well. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 18:50, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
:Should be consistent with the Gym Leader article, and since it was decided to keep the VS sprites there, they can stay on Elite Four too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

== Re: Images ==
Oh god, I'm so sorry. I'm just new here and I don't know much. I'll revert my edits and you can delete the images if you want. --[[User:Pyro|Pyro]] ([[User talk:Pyro|talk]]) 14:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Wait never mind they were already reverted >_< --[[User:Pyro|Pyro]] ([[User talk:Pyro|talk]]) 14:39, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
:Don't worry about it, just ensure you do't do it again. And thanks for your compliance. And only some have been reverted right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:41, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

==Stupid and scary freezes==
Hi. I say that I'm in project GlitchDex because I like glitches. Well... not all! This conversation is about news from one of the few glitches that I hate: game freezes.
Well, the point is: due to the age of my Nintendo, and to some times it fell on the ground, sometimes it just can't stop freezing. Recently, I've discovered 2 types of freezes (yeah, they are stupid and scary). That's hard to repeat stuff, because only recently they started to bump at me. Why am I saying that these are new types? ...because, contrary to the ones known by everyone...THEY DON'T FORCE US TO SHUT DOWN THE NINTENDO, THE GAME IS STILL PLAYABLE! I'm even scared while I'm writing this, but here they come:

*This one happened to me 2 times in Black, just on Castelia City: I was doing nothing when the music froze. It was the only thing to freeze, I could still walk... and hear the beeps! No secondary effects happened.

*I didn't witness this one, but still, it's scary: My sister told me that while she was starting a new game in Platinum (just for fun, she wasn't going to delete the old one), she received TM Return from Rowan, as usual. Then, also as usual, Lucas showed her the Pokecenter and the pokemart. This is where the Nintendo got stupidified: The text box about Rowan giving the TM appeared, and then, Lucas started showing her the locations again. She was still at the same spot, so, guess what? They walked on the trees! She even told me that the game said "mystery zone". Unfortunately, she turned it off before showing me.

Do you know anything we can discuss about this, like any reports of similar events? This may mean an update to the game freezes page. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 20:17, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
:Sometimes if a game is dirty or dusty, it can acts strangely. A damaged DS can also be an issue. Using any cheatcodes or chaeting devices can leave lingering effects. I haven't heard of reports of either glitch you mentioned. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:10, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

UPDATE: The second weird freeze was actualy interrupted by a normal one, so that's why she turned the power off.
:The answer is "damaged DS". Also, I don't use cheat codes. What I'm saying now is: do you think it's worthy to ask all the pokémon community if this has happened to them? And if it didn't freeze in the normal way this time? I'm saying this because this could mean the discovery of a new way of tweaking! Do you think it's worthy to do this search? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 20:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

== VS Sprites for E4 ==

Before, the Johto, Sinnoh & Unova Elite 4 Members had they're regular battle sprites. They were changed to those because even though the Hoenn Elite 4 will probably have them with possible RS Remakes, that would still leave the Kanto Elite 4 with just regular battle sprites. Having 3/4 regions of Elite 4 Members with VS Sprites and one region's elites left out seems makes it look a little weird. You changed it back to VS Sprites because of consistency, but wouldn't it be consistent if all Elite 4 Members had the same kind of sprites? Basically, I'm just wondering it's OK for the Johto, Sinnoh & Unova Elite 4 Members to be changed back to their regular battle sprites. Thanks! [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] ([[User talk:Torpoleon|talk]]) 21:17, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
:I was referring to conistency with the [[Talk:Gym Leader#Why vs sprites?|decision]] made regarding the [[Gym Leader]] page. I'll ask some other staff members what they prefer. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

==Black 2 and White 2 Beta Question==
Since I noticed that you deleted that page, I figured I should ask you. I was searching through old images and video and I found an image of the medals being viewed . In that image the medals shined with a star in the upper right corner during various times, but in the final game there is no such star shine. Instead it is just a diagonal line going across them without a star. Would this work towards that Beta, since that star isn't in the final game? [[User:Lady Ariel|Lady Ariel]] ([[User talk:Lady Ariel|talk]]) 18:09, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
:Like [[a:File:Dengeki August 2012 1.jpg|this image]]? If that is the case then sure, but make sure you check it isn't just a Black 2/White 2 difference or something. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:56, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

== and the finals ==

Well, I've rounded up all the unused template redirects (I hope these are the last).
Here's the {{tt|complete|hope so}} list (unlinked with the usual exceptions).
:<nowiki>{{Ef}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{Obp}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{Tp}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{Fb}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{Op}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{Wikipedia}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{WP}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{Movie}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{City}}</nowiki>
:<nowiki>{{Town}}</nowiki>
When you got the time could you please delete them as you did with the previous ? Thanks, it's good bp has you around.
--[[User:DJWolfy|--'''DJ''']][[User talk:DJWolfy|'''Wolfy''']] 18:33, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

== Berries ==

I am thinking of creating a separate article for the Berries in Mystery Dungeon, as they work differently in these series (mainly, the plants don't exist, plus Sitrus and Chesto have extra effects unique to it). What's your opinion on this? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 12:15, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
:The only unique Berry is the Oren Berry, and I don't think it needs its own article. I wouldn't be against putting the item template on the Berry pages under a PMD section or something though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:32, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

==Coordinates==
Hey, recently I've been trying to improve [[Bulbapedia:Sandbox#Region Image Maps|this page]], and I noticed that you were also doing that, so I think I can ask this to you: Now I added the B2W2 Unova map, based on the original coordinates of the previous one (to which I added "(BW)"), and now I'm trying to correct the links in that newly created map, and that's where the problem beggins. So, do you know how to work with the coordinates? I've already noticed that they're the numbers before the name/link of the location, but I still didn't understand which direction each represents and the distance value of those numbers. So, if you know, could you tell me please? [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 20:28, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
:They represent each corner of the square, the points of a polygon, or I think the points of a triangle within a circle. I didn't actually make any of them; I got them off of [[:de:Kategorie:Vorlage:Map|PokéWiki]], who gave us permission to use their maps ages ago on one of TTE's talk pages. However, they currently haven't done a B2W2 Unova map. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:56, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, you know as much as me in this matter, except for the fact that the code is from a wiki in another language. Well, anyway, ty for trying to help me, now I've also created that B2W2 stub in that wiki, in order to "fish" all the changes that they do to it. However, before that I'll keep trying to fix it myself. So, thank you again for trying to help. [[User:TheOriginalOne|'''The''']][[User talk:TheOriginalOne|'''Original''']][[Special:Contributions/TheOriginalOne|'''One''']] 17:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

==Project Events==

I was wondering if we should create a {{bp|Projects|Project}} that focuses on [[Event Pokémon|events]], because I've noticed that not many people add to that category, and the list of Pokémon for certain year will usually be added ''after'' that year, and not everyone reads the [[Main Page]]. --{{unsigned|Groudon 60}}
:Events come under project games still. I have been working on rearranging all events like [[User:SnorlaxMonster/List of English Nintendo event Pokémon in Generation V|this page]], but in the process also fact checking (cross referencing against 3 different fansites and trying to locate an official source, usually through Wayback Machine) and adding a description including things like where it was distributed (for some events, such as world championships events, location-date tables are needed) and any requirements for obtaining it (like Japanese birthday events requiring you to provide evidence of your date of birth). Due to the large amount of work required to follow all of these steps, I never end up having time to do it, but I have got Gen V and half of Gen IV saved to my computer as txt files. Once I finish my project and update the [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in Generation II]] with the rest of the NYPC events, that is really all there is in regards to events (as well as current events). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:47, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

::Thank you for answering. -[[User:Groudon 60|Groudon 60]] ([[User talk:Groudon 60|talk]]) 14:03, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

== Dream World only moves/Special moves and TCG moves ==

I was just wondering if it's all right to change these? I noticed that Vanillish has been changed to "Dream World moves". Thanks. --[[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] ([[User talk:Funktastic~!|talk]]) 00:47, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

==夢の跡地 Translation==

Rather than having the conversation in edits, I thought it would be appropriate to bring it up here. I opted for "Yard" because it more accurately describes the fact that the ruins are modern, and is the official translation. Ruin seems to imply an ancient ruin, but yard implies a more modern lot. Even if it doesn't state that there are ruins on it, it is implicit and not surprising. [[User:TJF|TJF]] ([[User talk:TJF|talk]]) 03:28, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Dreamyard

2012-08-11T01:53:56Z

TJF: /* Intro */ On second thought, yard explains it better.

{{incomplete|needs=Layout}}
{{Infobox location
|image=Dreamyard.png
|image_size=256
|location_name=Dreamyard
|japanese_name={{tt|夢の跡地|ゆめのあとち}}
|translated_name=Site of Dreams
|type=forest
|location=East of [[Striaton City]]
|region=Unova
|generation={{Gen|V}}
}}
The '''Dreamyard''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|夢の跡地|ゆめのあとち}}''' ''Dream Yard'') is a small forest-like location in southeast Unova. It is connected to [[Striaton City]] in the west. It features the ruins of a research facility, and is home for a {{p|Munna}} and {{p|Musharna}}.

In {{game|Black and White|s}}, the player encounters some {{tc|Team Plasma Grunt}}s here who are kicking a {{p|Munna}} to get its [[Dream Mist]].

{{m|Cut}} is required to access the building area. After beating [[Ghetsis]] and [[N]], the orange traffic cone is removed. This allows access to the basement and the other portion of the area, where Gorm of the [[Seven Sages]] can be found and arrested.

==Geography==
The Dreamyard is an abandoned, wrecked research facility where several Trainers can be found training. There is an exit in the west; the player can find two Trainers and a person who will give the player one of the [[elemental monkeys]]. There is a cuttable tree that blocks the entrance to the ruins. Patches of grass can be found inside as well as barrels and holes.

At the eastern part of the first portion, there is a staircase to access the second floor of the ruins where items can be found. At the next entrance, there is an orange traffic cone that blocks the entrance to the basement, and will disappear after the player has defeated [[N]] and [[Ghetsis]]. There are also patches of [[tall grass]] present near the basement stairs. The basement appears to be a storage room where piles of boxes are scattered.

{{tc|Scientist}}s and {{tc|Psychic}}s are training down there. Several of these Trainers behave abnormally—while most Trainers walk up to and challenge the player when in their line of sight, several Trainers instead run in the opposite direction upon making eye contact. The Trainers that do this all walk in circles, but not all Trainers that walk in circles do this. In Black and White, Scientist Chan, Psychic Tommy, Psychic Future and Scientist Luke all exhibit this behavior.

There is an exit at the south east, an access to the second portion of the area. There are patches of dark grass outside. In Black and White, Gorm of the [[Seven Sages]] can be found and arrested here if the player walked west of the {{Dl|Tall grass|dark grass}}. A movable boulder can be pushed down the hole with {{m|Strength}}.

==Items==
===Ruins===
{{Itlisth|forest}}
{{Itlistbod|X Defend|In the area separated by fences, north of the girl giving the [[elemental monkeys|elemental monkey]]|BW|display={{DL|Battle item|X Defend}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Poké Ball|In the grass patch in the west|BW|display={{ball|Poké}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Parlyz Heal|Behind the southeast wall section|BW|display={{DL|Status ailment healing item|Parlyz Heal}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Potion|Far west on the elevated part|BW|display={{DL|Potion|Potion}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Repel|Far east on the elevated part|BW|display={{DL|Repel|Repel}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Soul Dew|On the far right ledge after catching {{p|Latios}}{{sup|B2}} or {{p|Latias}}{{sup|W2}}|B2W2}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Psychic|South of the stairs|B2W2|display={{TM|85|Dream Eater}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|forest}}

====Behind traffic cone====
{{Itlisth|forest}}
{{Itlistbod|Revive|Northwest of the steps nearest Gorm, by the oven|BW|display={{DL|Revive|Revive}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Hyper Potion|Westmost part, past the dark grass west of Gorm|BW|display={{DL|Potion|Hyper Potion}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Max Potion|In barrels south of western stairs ''(hidden)''|BW|display={{DL|Potion|Max Potion}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Ultra Ball|West of the eastern grass patch, above the barrel. ''(hidden)''|BW|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Normal|Gift from Gorm of the [[Seven Sages]]|BW|display={{TM|75|Swords Dance}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|forest}}

===Basement===
{{Itlisth|building}}
{{Itlistbod|TwistedSpoon|Southwest corner, near Psychic Rudolf|BW|display={{DL|Type-enhancing item|TwistedSpoon}}}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Psychic|Northwest corner, accessible from west stairs in ruins|BW|display={{TM|85|Dream Eater}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Awakening|
*South side of crates behind Scientist Markus ''(hidden)''
*In a crate ''(hidden)''
*In a crate ''(hidden)''|BW|display={{DL|Status ailment healing item|Awakening}} ×3}}
{{Itlistfoot|basement}}

==Pokémon==
===Pokémon Black and White===
====Ruins====
{{catch/header|forest|4}}
{{catch/entry5|504|Patrat|yes|yes|yes|Grass|8-11|all=40%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5|509|Purrloin|yes|yes|yes|Grass|8-11|all=40%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entry5|517|Munna|yes|yes|yes|Grass|8,10|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|forest|Dark grass}}
{{catch/entry5|020|Raticate|yes|yes|yes|Dark|48|all=10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5|049|Venomoth|yes|yes|yes|Dark|48, 50|all=10%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry5|166|Ledian|yes|yes|yes|Dark|49|all=10%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5|168|Ariados|yes|yes|yes|Dark|49|all=10%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry5|402|Kricketune|yes|yes|yes|Dark|48, 50|all=10%|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry5|505|Watchog|yes|yes|yes|Dark|47|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5|510|Liepard|yes|yes|yes|Dark|47|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entry5|517|Munna|yes|yes|yes|Dark|48|all=10%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|forest|Rustling grass}}
{{catch/entry5|518|Musharna|yes|yes|yes|Grass|11|all=5%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry5|531|Audino|yes|yes|yes|Grass|8-11|all=95%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/div|forest|Gift Pokémon}}
{{catch/entry5|511|Pansage|yes|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|From a girl if the player started with Tepig}}|type1=Grass}}
{{catch/entry5|513|Pansear|yes|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|From a girl if the player started with Oshawott}}|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry5|515|Panpour|yes|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|From a girl if the player started with Snivy}}|type1=Water}}
{{catch/footer|forest}}

====Basement====
{{catch/header|basement|4}}
{{catch/div|basement|Dark grass}}
{{catch/entry5|020|Raticate|yes|yes|yes|Dark|47, 50|all=35%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5|402|Kricketune|yes|yes|yes|Dark|47, 50|all=35%|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry5|517|Munna|yes|yes|yes|Dark|48, 49|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry5|166|Ledian|yes|yes|yes|Dark|49|all=5%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5|168|Ariados|yes|yes|yes|Dark|49|all=5%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/div|basement|Special}}
{{catch/entry5|518|Musharna|yes|yes|yes|Special|50|all={{tt|Once per week|Has its Hidden Ability}}{{dotw|Fr}}|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|basement}}

===Pokémon Black 2 and White 2===
====Ruins====
{{catch/header|forest|4}}
{{catch/entry5-2|020|Raticate|yes|yes|Grass|57|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|039|Jigglypuff|yes|yes|Grass|57|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Grass|58|all=%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5-2|505|Watchog|yes|yes|Grass|56|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|510|Liepard|yes|yes|Grass|56|all=%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entry5-2|517|Munna|yes|yes|Grass|57-58|all=%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|forest|Dark grass}}
{{catch/entry5-2|020|Raticate|yes|yes|Dark|65|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|039|Jigglypuff|yes|yes|Dark|65|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Dark|66|all=%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5-2|505|Watchog|yes|yes|Dark|64, 67|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|510|Liepard|yes|yes|Dark|64|all=%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entry5-2|517|Munna|yes|yes|Dark|65-66|all=%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|forest|Rustling grass}}
{{catch/entry5-2|531|Audino|yes|yes|Grass|56|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/div|forest|Swarm}}
{{catch/entry5-2|097|Hypno|yes|yes|Grass|40-55|all=%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|forest|Special}}
{{catch/entry5-2|380|Latias|no|yes|Special|68|all={{tt|One|After chasing it around the Dreamyard}}|type1=Dragon|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry5-2|381|Latios|yes|no|Special|68|all={{tt|One|After chasing it around the Dreamyard}}|type1=Dragon|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|forest}}

====Basement====
{{catch/header|basement|4}}
{{catch/div|basement|Dark grass}}
{{catch/entry5-2|020|Raticate|yes|yes|Dark|64, 67|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|039|Jigglypuff|yes|yes|Dark|65|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Dark|64, 67|all=%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5-2|505|Watchog|yes|yes|Dark|65|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|510|Liepard|yes|yes|Dark|65|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|517|Munna|yes|yes|Dark|65-66|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/footer|basement}}

==Trainers==
===Pokémon Black and White===
====Ruins====
{{trainerheader|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Lass.png|Lass|Eri|128|2|509|Purrloin|♀|8|None|509|Purrloin|♀|8|None|36=エリ|37=Eri}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Youngster.png|Youngster|Joey|112|3|504|Patrat|♂|7|None|504|Patrat|♂|7|None|506|Lillipup|♂|7|None|36=ゴロウ|37=Gorō}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Plasma Grunt M.png|Team Plasma Grunt||400|1|504|Patrat|♂|10|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Plasma Grunt F.png|Team Plasma Grunt||400|1|509|Purrloin|♀|10|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerfooter|forest|5}}

====Basement====
{{trainerheader|basement}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Markus|3024|3|096|Drowzee|♂|63|None|518|Musharna|♂|63|None|097|Hypno|♂|63|None|36=ガクジ|37=Gakuji}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist F.png|Scientist|Chan|3024|3|061|Poliwhirl|♀|63|None|518|Musharna|♀|63|None|047|Parasect|♀|63|None|36=チャン|37=Chan}}
{{Trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Psychic M.png|Psychic|Tommy|2016|4|374|Beldum|none|63|None|375|Metang|none|63|None|606|Beheeyem|♂|63|None|579|Reuniclus|♂|63|None|36=ノゾム|37=Nozomu}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist F.png|Scientist|Kathrine|3072|2|039|Jigglypuff|♀|64|None|518|Musharna|♀|64|None|36=サエコ|37=Saeko}}
{{Trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Psychic F.png|Psychic|Future|2048|3|177|Natu|♀|64|None|178|Xatu|♀|64|None|354|Banette|♀|64|None|36=ミライ|37=Mirai}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Luke|3072|2|518|Musharna|♂|64|None|234|Stantler|♂|64|None|36=シンペイ|37=Shinpei}}
{{Trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Psychic M.png|Psychic|Rudolf|2080|2|121|Starmie||65|None|202|Wobbuffet|♂|65|None|36=タツミ|37=Tatsumi}}
{{trainerfooter|basement|5}}

===Pokémon Black 2 and White 2===
====Basement====
{{trainerheader|basement}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Psychic M.png|Psychic|???|1984|2|097|Hypno|♂|62|none|356|Dusclops|♂|62|None|36=セイヤ|37=Seiya}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist F.png|Scientist|???|3024|2|092|Gastly|♀|63|None|435|Skuntank|♀|63|None|36=リカコ|37=Rikako}}
{{Trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Psychic F.png|Psychic|???|1984|2|433|Chingling|♀|62|None|122|Mr. Mime|♀|62|None|36=オリエ|37=Ollier}}
{{Trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|???|3024|2|600|Klang||63|None|137|Porygon||63|None|36=ヒデヨ|37=Hideyo}}
{{trainerfooter|basement|5}}

====Ruins====
{{trainerheader|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW School Kid M.png|School Kid|???|?|2|285|Shroomish|♂|63|none|465|Tangrowth|♂|63|None|36=アキヒト|37=Akihito}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Youngster.png|Youngster|???|?|2|287|Slakoth|♂|63|None|289|Slaking|♂|63|None|36=コウシ|37=Kōshi}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW School Kid F.png|School Kid|???|1260|2|174|Igglybuff|♀|63|None|463|Lickilicky|♀|63|None|36=ミノリ|37=Minori}}
{{trainerfooter|forest|5}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Dreamyard anime.png|250px|right|thumb|Dreamyard in the anime]]
The Dreamyard appeared in ''[[BW006|Dreams by the Yard Full!]]''. [[Fennel]] explained that the site was once a research facility used to research {{p|Musharna}}'s [[Dream Mist]] for a cleaner energy source. However, due to people's evil thoughts and desires surrounding the project, Musharna was corrupted and its Dream Mist turned black. This caused an energy overload and created a giant explosion, destroying the whole facility. Only Fennel, her {{TP|Fennel|Munna}}, and two unnamed scientists survived the explosion, with no sign of Musharna.
[[File:Dreamyard fixed.png|250px|left|thumb|Dreamyard before the explosion]]
Years after the explosion, {{TRT}} came to the site and used a mecha to research the site's abundant energy. This awoke Musharna, causing Dream Mist to go everywhere. Fennel, along with {{Ash}}, {{an|Iris}}, {{an|Cilan}} and Officer [[Jenny]], rushed there, finding Team Rocket and Musharna, who was held captive. Fortunately, it was freed by Fennel's Munna and Ash's {{AP|Pikachu}} and they were reunited.
{{-}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Dreamyard Adventures.png|220px|right|thumb|Dreamyard in Pokémon Adventures]]
The Dreamyard appeared in [[Pokémon Adventures]].

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|forest}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|forest}}
|fi=Unipiha
|fr=Vestiges du Rêve
|de=Traumbrache
|es_la=Jardín Ensueño
|es_eu=Solar de los Sueños
|it=Cantiere dei Sogni
|pl=Fabryka Snów
|ko=꿈터 ''Ggum'teu''
|zh_cmn=夢的遺址 ''Mèng-de Yízhǐ''}}

{{-}}
{{Legendarylocations}}
{{Unova}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Black and White locations]]
[[Category:Black 2 and White 2 locations]]
[[Category:Abandoned buildings]]
[[Category:Forests]]

[[de:Traumbrache]]
[[es:Solar de los Sueños]]
[[fr:Vestiges du Rêve]]
[[it:Cantiere dei Sogni]]
[[ja:ゆめのあとち]]

Dreamyard

2012-08-11T01:43:46Z

TJF: /* Intro */ Site of Dreams is basically a machine translation. The word 跡地 is for demolished buildings, so ruins seems more accurate, and の doesn't have to be translated as "of".

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{{Infobox location
|image=Dreamyard.png
|image_size=256
|location_name=Dreamyard
|japanese_name={{tt|夢の跡地|ゆめのあとち}}
|translated_name=Site of Dreams
|type=forest
|location=East of [[Striaton City]]
|region=Unova
|generation={{Gen|V}}
}}
The '''Dreamyard''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|夢の跡地|ゆめのあとち}}''' ''Dream Ruins'') is a small forest-like location in southeast Unova. It is connected to [[Striaton City]] in the west. It features the ruins of a research facility, and is home for a {{p|Munna}} and {{p|Musharna}}.

In {{game|Black and White|s}}, the player encounters some {{tc|Team Plasma Grunt}}s here who are kicking a {{p|Munna}} to get its [[Dream Mist]].

{{m|Cut}} is required to access the building area. After beating [[Ghetsis]] and [[N]], the orange traffic cone is removed. This allows access to the basement and the other portion of the area, where Gorm of the [[Seven Sages]] can be found and arrested.

==Geography==
The Dreamyard is an abandoned, wrecked research facility where several Trainers can be found training. There is an exit in the west; the player can find two Trainers and a person who will give the player one of the [[elemental monkeys]]. There is a cuttable tree that blocks the entrance to the ruins. Patches of grass can be found inside as well as barrels and holes.

At the eastern part of the first portion, there is a staircase to access the second floor of the ruins where items can be found. At the next entrance, there is an orange traffic cone that blocks the entrance to the basement, and will disappear after the player has defeated [[N]] and [[Ghetsis]]. There are also patches of [[tall grass]] present near the basement stairs. The basement appears to be a storage room where piles of boxes are scattered.

{{tc|Scientist}}s and {{tc|Psychic}}s are training down there. Several of these Trainers behave abnormally—while most Trainers walk up to and challenge the player when in their line of sight, several Trainers instead run in the opposite direction upon making eye contact. The Trainers that do this all walk in circles, but not all Trainers that walk in circles do this. In Black and White, Scientist Chan, Psychic Tommy, Psychic Future and Scientist Luke all exhibit this behavior.

There is an exit at the south east, an access to the second portion of the area. There are patches of dark grass outside. In Black and White, Gorm of the [[Seven Sages]] can be found and arrested here if the player walked west of the {{Dl|Tall grass|dark grass}}. A movable boulder can be pushed down the hole with {{m|Strength}}.

==Items==
===Ruins===
{{Itlisth|forest}}
{{Itlistbod|X Defend|In the area separated by fences, north of the girl giving the [[elemental monkeys|elemental monkey]]|BW|display={{DL|Battle item|X Defend}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Poké Ball|In the grass patch in the west|BW|display={{ball|Poké}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Parlyz Heal|Behind the southeast wall section|BW|display={{DL|Status ailment healing item|Parlyz Heal}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Potion|Far west on the elevated part|BW|display={{DL|Potion|Potion}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Repel|Far east on the elevated part|BW|display={{DL|Repel|Repel}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Soul Dew|On the far right ledge after catching {{p|Latios}}{{sup|B2}} or {{p|Latias}}{{sup|W2}}|B2W2}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Psychic|South of the stairs|B2W2|display={{TM|85|Dream Eater}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|forest}}

====Behind traffic cone====
{{Itlisth|forest}}
{{Itlistbod|Revive|Northwest of the steps nearest Gorm, by the oven|BW|display={{DL|Revive|Revive}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Hyper Potion|Westmost part, past the dark grass west of Gorm|BW|display={{DL|Potion|Hyper Potion}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Max Potion|In barrels south of western stairs ''(hidden)''|BW|display={{DL|Potion|Max Potion}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Ultra Ball|West of the eastern grass patch, above the barrel. ''(hidden)''|BW|display={{ball|Ultra}}}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Normal|Gift from Gorm of the [[Seven Sages]]|BW|display={{TM|75|Swords Dance}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|forest}}

===Basement===
{{Itlisth|building}}
{{Itlistbod|TwistedSpoon|Southwest corner, near Psychic Rudolf|BW|display={{DL|Type-enhancing item|TwistedSpoon}}}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Psychic|Northwest corner, accessible from west stairs in ruins|BW|display={{TM|85|Dream Eater}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Awakening|
*South side of crates behind Scientist Markus ''(hidden)''
*In a crate ''(hidden)''
*In a crate ''(hidden)''|BW|display={{DL|Status ailment healing item|Awakening}} ×3}}
{{Itlistfoot|basement}}

==Pokémon==
===Pokémon Black and White===
====Ruins====
{{catch/header|forest|4}}
{{catch/entry5|504|Patrat|yes|yes|yes|Grass|8-11|all=40%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5|509|Purrloin|yes|yes|yes|Grass|8-11|all=40%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entry5|517|Munna|yes|yes|yes|Grass|8,10|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|forest|Dark grass}}
{{catch/entry5|020|Raticate|yes|yes|yes|Dark|48|all=10%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5|049|Venomoth|yes|yes|yes|Dark|48, 50|all=10%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry5|166|Ledian|yes|yes|yes|Dark|49|all=10%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5|168|Ariados|yes|yes|yes|Dark|49|all=10%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/entry5|402|Kricketune|yes|yes|yes|Dark|48, 50|all=10%|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry5|505|Watchog|yes|yes|yes|Dark|47|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5|510|Liepard|yes|yes|yes|Dark|47|all=20%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entry5|517|Munna|yes|yes|yes|Dark|48|all=10%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|forest|Rustling grass}}
{{catch/entry5|518|Musharna|yes|yes|yes|Grass|11|all=5%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry5|531|Audino|yes|yes|yes|Grass|8-11|all=95%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/div|forest|Gift Pokémon}}
{{catch/entry5|511|Pansage|yes|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|From a girl if the player started with Tepig}}|type1=Grass}}
{{catch/entry5|513|Pansear|yes|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|From a girl if the player started with Oshawott}}|type1=Fire}}
{{catch/entry5|515|Panpour|yes|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|From a girl if the player started with Snivy}}|type1=Water}}
{{catch/footer|forest}}

====Basement====
{{catch/header|basement|4}}
{{catch/div|basement|Dark grass}}
{{catch/entry5|020|Raticate|yes|yes|yes|Dark|47, 50|all=35%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5|402|Kricketune|yes|yes|yes|Dark|47, 50|all=35%|type1=Bug}}
{{catch/entry5|517|Munna|yes|yes|yes|Dark|48, 49|all=20%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry5|166|Ledian|yes|yes|yes|Dark|49|all=5%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5|168|Ariados|yes|yes|yes|Dark|49|all=5%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{catch/div|basement|Special}}
{{catch/entry5|518|Musharna|yes|yes|yes|Special|50|all={{tt|Once per week|Has its Hidden Ability}}{{dotw|Fr}}|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|basement}}

===Pokémon Black 2 and White 2===
====Ruins====
{{catch/header|forest|4}}
{{catch/entry5-2|020|Raticate|yes|yes|Grass|57|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|039|Jigglypuff|yes|yes|Grass|57|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Grass|58|all=%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5-2|505|Watchog|yes|yes|Grass|56|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|510|Liepard|yes|yes|Grass|56|all=%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entry5-2|517|Munna|yes|yes|Grass|57-58|all=%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|forest|Dark grass}}
{{catch/entry5-2|020|Raticate|yes|yes|Dark|65|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|039|Jigglypuff|yes|yes|Dark|65|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Dark|66|all=%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5-2|505|Watchog|yes|yes|Dark|64, 67|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|510|Liepard|yes|yes|Dark|64|all=%|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/entry5-2|517|Munna|yes|yes|Dark|65-66|all=%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|forest|Rustling grass}}
{{catch/entry5-2|531|Audino|yes|yes|Grass|56|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/div|forest|Swarm}}
{{catch/entry5-2|097|Hypno|yes|yes|Grass|40-55|all=%|type1=Psychic}}
{{catch/div|forest|Special}}
{{catch/entry5-2|380|Latias|no|yes|Special|68|all={{tt|One|After chasing it around the Dreamyard}}|type1=Dragon|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry5-2|381|Latios|yes|no|Special|68|all={{tt|One|After chasing it around the Dreamyard}}|type1=Dragon|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/footer|forest}}

====Basement====
{{catch/header|basement|4}}
{{catch/div|basement|Dark grass}}
{{catch/entry5-2|020|Raticate|yes|yes|Dark|64, 67|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|039|Jigglypuff|yes|yes|Dark|65|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Dark|64, 67|all=%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5-2|505|Watchog|yes|yes|Dark|65|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|510|Liepard|yes|yes|Dark|65|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5-2|517|Munna|yes|yes|Dark|65-66|all=%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/footer|basement}}

==Trainers==
===Pokémon Black and White===
====Ruins====
{{trainerheader|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Lass.png|Lass|Eri|128|2|509|Purrloin|♀|8|None|509|Purrloin|♀|8|None|36=エリ|37=Eri}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Youngster.png|Youngster|Joey|112|3|504|Patrat|♂|7|None|504|Patrat|♂|7|None|506|Lillipup|♂|7|None|36=ゴロウ|37=Gorō}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Plasma Grunt M.png|Team Plasma Grunt||400|1|504|Patrat|♂|10|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Plasma Grunt F.png|Team Plasma Grunt||400|1|509|Purrloin|♀|10|None}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerfooter|forest|5}}

====Basement====
{{trainerheader|basement}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Markus|3024|3|096|Drowzee|♂|63|None|518|Musharna|♂|63|None|097|Hypno|♂|63|None|36=ガクジ|37=Gakuji}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist F.png|Scientist|Chan|3024|3|061|Poliwhirl|♀|63|None|518|Musharna|♀|63|None|047|Parasect|♀|63|None|36=チャン|37=Chan}}
{{Trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Psychic M.png|Psychic|Tommy|2016|4|374|Beldum|none|63|None|375|Metang|none|63|None|606|Beheeyem|♂|63|None|579|Reuniclus|♂|63|None|36=ノゾム|37=Nozomu}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist F.png|Scientist|Kathrine|3072|2|039|Jigglypuff|♀|64|None|518|Musharna|♀|64|None|36=サエコ|37=Saeko}}
{{Trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Psychic F.png|Psychic|Future|2048|3|177|Natu|♀|64|None|178|Xatu|♀|64|None|354|Banette|♀|64|None|36=ミライ|37=Mirai}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Luke|3072|2|518|Musharna|♂|64|None|234|Stantler|♂|64|None|36=シンペイ|37=Shinpei}}
{{Trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Psychic M.png|Psychic|Rudolf|2080|2|121|Starmie||65|None|202|Wobbuffet|♂|65|None|36=タツミ|37=Tatsumi}}
{{trainerfooter|basement|5}}

===Pokémon Black 2 and White 2===
====Basement====
{{trainerheader|basement}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Psychic M.png|Psychic|???|1984|2|097|Hypno|♂|62|none|356|Dusclops|♂|62|None|36=セイヤ|37=Seiya}}
{{trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist F.png|Scientist|???|3024|2|092|Gastly|♀|63|None|435|Skuntank|♀|63|None|36=リカコ|37=Rikako}}
{{Trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Psychic F.png|Psychic|???|1984|2|433|Chingling|♀|62|None|122|Mr. Mime|♀|62|None|36=オリエ|37=Ollier}}
{{Trainerdiv|ruins}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|???|3024|2|600|Klang||63|None|137|Porygon||63|None|36=ヒデヨ|37=Hideyo}}
{{trainerfooter|basement|5}}

====Ruins====
{{trainerheader|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW School Kid M.png|School Kid|???|?|2|285|Shroomish|♂|63|none|465|Tangrowth|♂|63|None|36=アキヒト|37=Akihito}}
{{Trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Youngster.png|Youngster|???|?|2|287|Slakoth|♂|63|None|289|Slaking|♂|63|None|36=コウシ|37=Kōshi}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW School Kid F.png|School Kid|???|1260|2|174|Igglybuff|♀|63|None|463|Lickilicky|♀|63|None|36=ミノリ|37=Minori}}
{{trainerfooter|forest|5}}

==In the anime==
[[File:Dreamyard anime.png|250px|right|thumb|Dreamyard in the anime]]
The Dreamyard appeared in ''[[BW006|Dreams by the Yard Full!]]''. [[Fennel]] explained that the site was once a research facility used to research {{p|Musharna}}'s [[Dream Mist]] for a cleaner energy source. However, due to people's evil thoughts and desires surrounding the project, Musharna was corrupted and its Dream Mist turned black. This caused an energy overload and created a giant explosion, destroying the whole facility. Only Fennel, her {{TP|Fennel|Munna}}, and two unnamed scientists survived the explosion, with no sign of Musharna.
[[File:Dreamyard fixed.png|250px|left|thumb|Dreamyard before the explosion]]
Years after the explosion, {{TRT}} came to the site and used a mecha to research the site's abundant energy. This awoke Musharna, causing Dream Mist to go everywhere. Fennel, along with {{Ash}}, {{an|Iris}}, {{an|Cilan}} and Officer [[Jenny]], rushed there, finding Team Rocket and Musharna, who was held captive. Fortunately, it was freed by Fennel's Munna and Ash's {{AP|Pikachu}} and they were reunited.
{{-}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Dreamyard Adventures.png|220px|right|thumb|Dreamyard in Pokémon Adventures]]
The Dreamyard appeared in [[Pokémon Adventures]].

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|forest}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|forest}}
|fi=Unipiha
|fr=Vestiges du Rêve
|de=Traumbrache
|es_la=Jardín Ensueño
|es_eu=Solar de los Sueños
|it=Cantiere dei Sogni
|pl=Fabryka Snów
|ko=꿈터 ''Ggum'teu''
|zh_cmn=夢的遺址 ''Mèng-de Yízhǐ''}}

{{-}}
{{Legendarylocations}}
{{Unova}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Black and White locations]]
[[Category:Black 2 and White 2 locations]]
[[Category:Abandoned buildings]]
[[Category:Forests]]

[[de:Traumbrache]]
[[es:Solar de los Sueños]]
[[fr:Vestiges du Rêve]]
[[it:Cantiere dei Sogni]]
[[ja:ゆめのあとち]]

List of Key Items in Generation IV

2010-04-12T00:28:07Z

TJF:

{{incomplete}}
:''This article contains an item known as the "Secret Key", related to {{p|Rotom}}. For the item used in [[Kanto]] to open the [[Cinnabar Gym]], see [[List of key items in Generation I#Secret Key|here]] and [[List of key items in Generation III#Secret Key|here]].''
----
This is a list of all the [[key item]]s that are found in [[Generation IV]]. Please note that some of these are also part of the [[list of key items in Generation II]] due to {{game|Gold and Silver|s}} being [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|remade]], and several appear in multiple generations.

Some items are specific to a certain region, while others can be found in both [[Sinnoh]] and [[Johto]]/[[Kanto]].
==Key items found in all Generation IV games==
{{Item
|name=Bicycle
|jp=じてんしゃ
|jpt=Bicycle
|gen=I
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows for faster travel than walking or running. Players can press B to change between the two gear settings.
|descdppthgss=A folding Bicycle that enables much faster movement than the Running Shoes.
|locdppt=Received from the owner of [[Rad Rickshaw's Cycle Shop]] in [[Eterna City]] after saving him from [[Team Galactic]].
|lochgss=Received from the owner of [[Miracle Cycle]] in [[Goldenrod City]].
|main=Bicycle
}}

{{Item
|name=Coin Case
|jp=コインケース
|jpt=Coin Case
|gen=I
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Used for storing Coins from the [[Game Corner]].
|descdppthgss=A case for holding Coins obtained at the Game Corner. It holds up to 50,000 Coins.
|locdppt=Received from a [[clown]] in a house south of [[Veilstone City]]'s [[Veilstone Gym|Gym]].
|lochgss=Received from Mr. Game.{{tt|*|International games}} In the southern part of the [[Goldenrod Tunnel]].{{tt|*|Japanese games}}
|main=Coin Case
}}

{{Item
|name=Fashion Case
|jp=アクセサリーいれ
|jpt=Accessory Container
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Stores [[Accessory|Accessories]] for [[Hearthome City]]'s [[Pokémon Super Contest|Super Contests]]. Also used for taking pictures in [[Jubilife City]]{{sup|DPPT}} or the [[Goldenrod Tunnel]]{{sup|HGSS}}.
|descdppt=A fancy case for the tidy and organized storage of colorful Pokémon Accessories.
|deschgss=A fancy case for the tidy arrangement and storage of whimsical Pokémon Accessories.
|locdppt=Received from a man in [[Jubilife TV]] after the player has defeated [[Team Galactic]] there.
|lochgss=Received from {{ga|Ethan}}/{{ga|Lyra}} in the [[Goldenrod Tunnel]].
|main=Fashion Case
}}

{{Item
|name=Gracidea
|jp=グラシデアのはな
|jpt=Gracidea Flower
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Transforms {{p|Shaymin}} from Land Forme to Sky Forme.
|descpthgss=A flower sometimes bundled in bouquets to convey gratitude on special occasions like birthdays.
|locpt=[[Floaroma Town]]; requires a [[fateful encounter]] {{p|Shaymin}} in the party.
|lochgss=[[Goldenrod City]]; requires a [[fateful encounter]] {{p|Shaymin}} in the party.
|main=Gracidea (flower)
}}

{{Item
|name=Good Rod
|jp=いいつりざお
|jpt=Good Fishing Rod
|gen=I
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the player to [[fishing|fish]] in bodies of water. Better than the [[Old Rod]].
|descdppthgss=A new, good-quality fishing rod. Use it by any body of water to fish for wild aquatic Pokémon.
|locdppt=Received from a [[Fisherman]] on {{rt|209}} near [[Hearthome City]]'s entrance.
|lochgss=Received from a fisherman inside [[Olivine City]]'s Café. It might instead be received from a fisherman inside the house south of the [[Olivine Gym]], and west of the town sign in [[Olivine City]].
|main=Fishing
}}

{{Item
|name=Old Rod
|jp=ボロのつりざお
|jpt=Worn-out Fishing Rod
|gen=I
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the player to [[fishing|fish]] in bodies of water.
|descdppthgss=An old and beat-up fishing rod. Use it by any body of water to fish for wild Pokémon.
|locdppt=Received from a [[Fisherman]] in the gatehouse between [[Jubilife City]] and {{rt|218}}.
|lochgss=Received from a fisherman inside {{rt|32}}'s [[Pokémon Center]].
|main=Fishing
}}

{{Item
|name=Pal Pad
|jp=ともだちてちょう
|jpt=Friend Notepad
|gen=IV
|dispgen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Stores Friend Codes of other players.
|descdppthgss=A convenient notepad that is used for registering your friends and keeping a record of game play.
|locdppt=Received from the attendant in the basement of any [[Pokémon Center]] after the [[Coal Badge]] has been won.
|lochgss=Received from the attendant in the basement of any [[Pokémon Center]] after the [[Zephyr Badge]] has been won.
|main=Pal Pad
}}

{{Item
|name=Seal Case
|jp=シールいれ
|jpt=Seal Container
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Stores Seals.
|descdppthgss=A case for storing Seals that can be applied to the capsule cases of Poké Balls.
|locdppt=Received from a woman in [[Solaceon Town]].
|lochgss=Received from a girl after healing the sick {{p|Miltank}} in [[MooMoo Farm]].
|main=Seal
}}

{{Item
|name=SecretPotion
|jp=ひでんのくすり
|jpt=Secret Medicine
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Cures the headaches of the {{p|Psyduck}} who were blocking the upper section of [[Route 210]] and [[Amphy]], the {{p|Ampharos}} at the top of the [[Glitter Lighthouse]].
|descdppthgss=A fantastic medicine dispensed by the pharmacy in Cianwood City. It fully heals a Pokémon of any ailment.
|locdppt=Received from [[Cynthia]] at [[Valor Lakefront]].
|lochgss=Received from the pharmacist in [[Cianwood City]].
|main=SecretPotion
}}

{{Item
|name=Super Rod
|jp=すごいつりざお
|jpt=Amazing Fishing Rod
|gen=I
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the player to [[fishing|fish]] in bodies of water. Best Rod of all.
|descdppthgss=An awesome, high-tech fishing rod. Use it by any body of water to fish for wild aquatic Pokémon.
|locdppt=Received from a [[Fisherman]] in the [[Fight Area]].
|lochgss=Received from the {{DL|Fishing Brothers|Silence Bridge Fishing Guru|Route 12's Fishing Guru}}.
|main=Fishing
}}

{{Item
|name=Vs. Recorder
|jp=バトルレコーダー
|jpt=Battle Recorder
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the player to record and replay battles, and send them over [[Global Trade Station|Nintendo Wi-Fi]].
|effect2=Stores information on the player's [[Battle Point]]s and the [[Commemorative print|rewards]] obtained from defeating [[Frontier Brains]].
|descpthgss=An amazing device that can record a battle either between friends or at a special battle facility.
|locpt=Received from [[Looker]] in [[Jubilife City]]
|lochgss=Received from {{ga|Ethan}}/{{ga|Lyra}} in the {{rt|31}} [[lookout station]].
|main=Vs. Recorder
}}

==Key items exclusive to Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum==
{{Item
|name=Azure Flute
|jp=てんかいのふえ
|jpt=Heaven Flute
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Plays a melody that's beyond this world; opens the stairway to an {{p|Arceus}} in the Hall of Origin.
|descdppt=A flute that puts out echoing sounds that do not seem to be of this world. It is unknown who made it.
|locdppt=Available only by [[Mystery Gift]] event.
|main=Azure Flute
}}

{{Item
|name=Coupons 1, 2, and 3
|jp=ひきかえけん1・2・3
|jpt=Vouchers 1, 2, and 3
|gen=IV
|sprite=Coupon
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Coupons needed to obtain the [[Pokétch]].
|descdppt=A coupon to be exchanged for a Pokémon Watch (Pokétch for short). Three coupons are needed.
|locdppt=Each of these is given out by a different [[clown]] in [[Jubilife City]]. They all have the same description, and function, but each has a different design on the ticket. They do not need to be collected in any specific order.
}}

{{Item
|name=Explorer Kit
|jp=たんけんセット
|jpt=Exploration Set
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Used for going into the [[Sinnoh]] [[The Underground|Underground]].
|descdppt=A bag filled with convenient tools for exploring. It provides access to the Underground.
|locdppt=Given away by the [[Underground Man]] in his house in [[Eterna City]].
|main=Explorer Kit
}}

{{Item
|name=Galactic Key
|jp=ギンガだんのカギ
|jpt={{tt|Ginga-dan|Team Galactic}}'s Key
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Opens the door to the [[Team Galactic]] HQ in [[Veilstone City]].
|descdppt=A card key for disengaging security systems in the Galactic HQ. Losing it can result in punishment, apparently.
|locdppt=Found in the basement of [[Team Galactic HQ]].
|main=Explorer Kit
}}

{{Item
|name=Journal
|jp=ぼうけんノート
|jpt=Adventure Notebook
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Records limited notes on daily gameplay. It is brought up automatically when returning to the game after 2 or more days have passed without making a new save.
|descdppt=A notebook that keeps a day-to-day record of your adventure so far.
|locdppt=Given out by [[Johanna|the player's mother]] in [[Twinleaf Town]].
}}

{{Item
|name=Lunar Wing
|jp=みかづきのはね
|jpt=Crescent Moon Feather
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Used to cure the sailor's son's nightmares in [[Canalave City]].
|descdppt=A feather that glows like the moon. It is said to possess the power to dispel nightmares.
|locdppt=Left behind on [[Fullmoon Island]] by {{p|Cresselia}} after it flees.
}}

{{Item
|name=Member Card
|jp=メンバーズカード
|jpt=Member's Card
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=A 50-year old key for accessing the motel in [[Canalave City]]; allows access to battle a {{p|Darkrai}}.
|descdppt=A card needed for entering the inn in Canalave City. Oddly, the last date marked on it was 50 years ago.
|locdppt=Available only by [[Mystery Gift]] event.
|main=Member Card
}}

{{Item
|name=Oak's Letter
|jp=オーキドのてがみ
|jpt={{tt|Ōkido|Oak}}'s Letter
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=A letter from [[Professor Oak]] to be taken to [[Route 224]]; allows access to battle {{p|Shaymin}}.
|descdppt=A letter from Prof. Oak. Written in it is a request for you to go to Rt. 224.
|locdppt=Available only by [[Mystery Gift]] event.
|main=Oak's Letter
}}

{{Item
|name=Old Charm
|jp=こだいのおまもり
|jpt=Ancient [[wp:Omamori|{{color|000|Omamori}}]]
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=[[Cynthia]] asks the player to deliver this to [[Celestic Town]]. It is made from [[Pokémon]] bones.
|descdppt=An ancient good-luck charm made of Pokémon bones to be taken to the elder of Celestic Town.
|locdppt=Received from [[Cynthia]] on {{rt|210}}.
}}

{{Item
|name=Parcel
|jp=おとどけもの
|jpt=Parcel
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=A package to deliver to the {{ga|Barry|rival}}. It contains two [[Town Map]]s, one for him, and one for the player.
|descdppt=A parcel entrusted in your care. You are supposed to deliver it to your childhood friend who left Twinleaf Town.
|locdppt=Received from the rival's mother in Twinleaf Town.
}}

{{Item
|name=Poffin Case
|jp=ポフィンケース
|jpt=Poffin Case
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Stores the [[Poffin]] that the {{player}} has made.
|descdppt=A case for storing Poffin cooked from Berries in Hearthome City.
|locdppt=Received from the [[Pokémon Fan Club President]] in [[Hearthome City]].
}}

{{Item
|name=Point Card
|jp=ポイントカード
|jpt=Point Card
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Stores the [[Battle Point]]s earned in the {{si|Battle Tower}}.
|descdppt=A card that lists the Battle Points you have earned.
|locdppt={{si|Battle Park}}{{sup|DP}}.
}}

{{Item
|name=Poké Radar
|jp=ポケトレ
|jpt=Poké Trace
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Locates hidden {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} in the grass; requires 50 steps to charge after use.
|descdppt=A tool that can search out Pokémon that are hiding in grass. Its battery is recharged as you walk.
|locdppt=Received from [[Professor Oak]] in [[Sandgem Town]] when the [[List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Pokédex number|Sinnoh Pokédex]] has been completed.
|main=Poké Radar
}}

{{Item
|name=Secret Key
|jp=ひみつのカギ
|jpt=Secret Key
|gen=IV
|sprite=Secret Key IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Opens up a secret room at the [[Galactic Eterna Building]], containing five appliances necessary for a {{p|Rotom}} to change between its six forms.
|descpt=A high-tech key that has to be used at a specific location. It emits a special electric signal to open a door.
|locpt=Available only by [[Mystery Gift]] event.
|main=Secret Key (Generation IV)
}}

{{Item
|name=Sprayduck
|jp=コダックじょうろ
|jpt={{tt|Koduck|Psyduck}} Watering Can
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Used to water planted [[Berry|Berries]]. If watering is done correctly, the resulting Berry trees will have higher amounts of Berries to pick and store.
|descdppt=A watering can shaped like a Psyduck. It helps promote healthy growth of Berries planted in soft soil.
|locdppt=Received from one of the workers in the [[Pick a Peck of Colors Flower Shop]].
|main=Sprayduck
}}

{{Item
|name=Storage Key
|jp=そうこのカギ
|jpt=Storage Key
|gen=IV
|sprite=Storage Key IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Opens the door to the [[Team Galactic]] Warehouse.
|descdppt=The key to Team Galactic's sinister warehouse located at the edge of Veilstone City.
|locdppt=Dropped by a [[Galactic Grunt]] in [[Veilstone City]] (after you beat Jupiter at lake Acuity).
}}

{{Item
|name=Suite Key
|jp=ルームキー
|jpt=Room Key
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Someone staying at the [[Hotel Grand Lake]] is looking for it; return it to her for a {{DL|Status ailment healing item|Lava Cookie}}{{sup|DP}} or {{DL|Flute|White Flute}}{{sup|Pt}}.
|descdppt=A key to one of the suites at the luxury hotel by a lake. For some odd reason, it often disappears.
|locdppt={{rt|213}}, hidden.
}}

{{Item
|name=Town Map
|jp=タウンマップ
|jpt=Town Map
|gen=I
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Displays a map of [[Sinnoh]] and the player's current location. Details of [[route]]s and cities can be accessed by the touch screen.
|descdppt=A very convenient map that can be viewed anytime. It even shows your present location.
|locdppt=Contained in the [[#Parcel|Parcel]]. Will be shared with the player by the {{ga|Barry|rival}}, as there are two.
|main=Town Map
}}

{{Item
|name=Vs. Seeker
|jp=バトルサーチャー
|jpt=Battle Searcher
|gen=III
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the player to challenge [[Pokémon Trainer]]s more than once; requires 100 steps to recharge after use.
|descdppt=A device that indicates Trainers who want to battle. Its battery charges while you walk.
|locdppt=Received from Rowan's assistant ({{ga|Lucas}} or {{ga|Dawn}}) on {{rt|207}}.
|main=Vs. Seeker
}}

{{Item
|name=Works Key
|jp=はつでんしょキー
|jpt=Powerplant Key
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=The key for accessing the [[Valley Windworks]].
|descdppt= A large key for operating the doors of the Valley Windworks in the canyon. It was held by a Team Galactic Grunt.
|locdppt=Dropped by [[Galactic Grunt]]s; found by a man in the [[Floaroma Meadow]].
}}

==Key items exclusive to HeartGold and SoulSilver==
{{Item
|name=Apricorn Box
|jp=ぼんぐりケース
|jpt=Bonguri Case
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Carries [[Apricorn]]s and allows growth while traveling. Can hold up to 99 of each type of Apricorn.
|effect2=Contains the [[Apriblender]] after receieving it at the [[Pokéathlon]].
|deschgss=A handy box where you can store up to 99 Apricorns of each kind.
|lochgss=House closest to [[Cherrygrove City]] on {{rt|33}}.
}}

{{Item
|name=Basement Key
|jp=ちかのカギ
|jpt=Basement Key
|gen=II
|sprite=Basement Key IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the player to access the basement of the [[Goldenrod Tunnel]].
|deschgss=A key that opens a door in the Goldenrod Tunnel.
|lochgss=During [[Team Rocket]]'s raid on the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]]; taken from [[Petrel]] after defeating him.
|notes=Not to be confused with [[List of key items in Generation III#Basement Key|{{color|000|the Basement Key}}]] in Generation III.
}}

{{Item
|name=Berry Pots
|jp=きのみプランター
|jpt=Berry Planter
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows [[Berry]] growth while traveling.
|deschgss=Handy containers for cultivating Berries wherever you go.
|lochgss=Reward from a girl from [[Goldenrod City]]'s flower shop for catching or defeating {{p|Sudowoodo}}.
}}

{{Item
|name=Blue Card
|jp=ブルーカード
|jpt=Blue Card
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows player to answer daily question on [[Buena]]'s show every evening to get points exchangeable for items.
|deschgss=A card to save points for the Buena's Password show.
|lochgss=Received from Buena at her studio at [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]].
}}

{{Item
|name=Blue Orb
|jp=あいいろのたま
|jpt=Indigo Orb
|gen=III
|sprite=Blue Orb IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the player to encounter {{p|Kyogre}} in the [[Embedded Tower]].
|deschgss=A shiny blue orb that is said to have a legend and has a deep connection with the Hoenn region.
|lochgss=Received from [[Mr. Pokémon]] after both the [[National Pokédex]] and a [[Starter Pokémon#Kanto|Kanto starter]] has been obtained from [[Professor Oak]]{{sup|HG}}.
}}

{{Item
|name=Card Key
|jp=カードキー
|jpt=Card Key
|gen=II
|sprite=Card Key IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Opens doors in the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]].
|deschgss=A card key that opens a shutter in the Radio Tower.
|lochgss=Gift from the manager after saving him in [[Goldenrod Tunnel]].
|main=Card Key
}}

{{Item
|name=Clear Bell
|jp=とうめいなスズ
|jpt=Clear [[wp:Suzu|{{color|000|Suzu}}]]
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the [[Kimono Girl]]s to summon {{p|Ho-Oh}}.
|deschgss=A very old-fashioned bell that makes a gentle ringing.
|lochgss=Reward for defeating the Kimono Girls.{{sup|HG}}
|main=Clear Bell
}}

{{Item
|name=Data Card
|jp=データカード
|jpt=Data Card
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Records [[Pokéathlon]] records.
|deschgss=[[Data Card#Data Card List|Varies]]
|lochgss=[[Pokéathlon Dome]]
|main=Data Card
}}

{{Item
|name=GB Sounds
|jp=ＧＢプレイヤー
|jpt=GB Player
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Changes the game's background music to redone 8-bit tracks from {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}.
|deschgss=A music player that allows you to listen to nostalgic songs. It's operated with a single switch.
|lochgss=Received from one of the Game Freak standing in front of the globe at [[Celadon Mansion]] after obtaining all 16 [[badges]].
|main=GB Player
}}

{{Item
|name=Jade Orb
|jp=もえぎいろのたま
|jpt=Verdant Orb
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the player to encounter {{p|Rayquaza}} in the [[Embedded Tower]].
|deschgss=A shiny green orb that is said to have a legend and has a deep connection with the Hoenn region.
|lochgss=Received from [[Professor Oak]] if he is shown a {{p|Kyogre}} from {{v2|HeartGold}} and a {{p|Groudon}} from {{v2|SoulSilver}}.
}}

{{Item
|name=Dowsing MCHN
|jp=ダウジングマシン
|jpt=Dowsing Machine
|gen=I
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Locates items hidden on the ground.
|deschgss=It checks for unseen items in the area and makes noise and lights when it finds something.
|lochgss=Gift from a person inside a house next to [[Ecruteak City]]'s [[Ecruteak Gym|Gym]].
|main=Itemfinder
}}

{{Item
|name=Lost Item
|jp=おとしもの
|jpt=Lost Item
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Return to the {{OBP|Copycat|character}} for a Pass for the [[Magnet Train]].
|deschgss=The Poké Doll lost by the Copycat.
|lochgss=Received from the a member of the [[Pokémon Fan Club]] in [[Vermilion City]] after hearing about {{OBP|Copycat|character}}'s missing doll.
|main=Poké Doll
}}

{{Item
|name=Machine Part
|jp=おとしもの
|jpt=Machine Part
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Take to the [[Power Plant]] to restore power to the [[Magnet Train]].
|deschgss=An important machine part for the Power Plant that was stolen.
|lochgss=Hidden inside one of the flotation tubes; Examine the row of tubes closest to [[Misty]]'s pedestal while facing south.
}}

{{Item
|name=Enigma Stone
|jp=なぞのすいしょう
|jpt=Mysterious Crystal
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows for the capture of either {{p|Latias}}{{sup|SS}} or {{p|Latios}}{{sup|HG}}.
|deschgss=A crystal ball that was excavated from the ground. A very beautiful stone that is covered with bits of rock and earth.
|lochgss=Available only by [[Mystery Gift]] event.
|main=Enigma Stone
}}

{{Item
|name=Mystery Egg
|jp=ふしぎなタマゴ
|jpt=Mysterious Egg
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Take to [[Professor Elm]] to so he can study it.
|deschgss=A mysterious Egg obtained from Mr. Pokémon. What's in the Egg is unknown.
|lochgss=Received from [[Mr. Pokémon]] on {{rt|30}}.
}}

{{Item
|name=Pass
|jp=リニアパス
|jpt={{tt|Linear|Magnet Train}} Pass
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the player to ride the [[Magnet Train]] between [[Saffron City]] and [[Goldenrod City]].
|deschgss=A ticket required for riding the Magnet Train. It allows you to ride whenever and however much you'd like.
|lochgss=Received from {{OBP|Copycat|character}} after returning the [[#Lost Item|Lost Item]].
}}

{{Item
|name=RageCandyBar
|jp=いかりまんじゅう
|jpt=Rage [[wp:Manjū|{{color|000|Manjū}}]]
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|buy=300
|effect=Exchange in [[Underground Path (Routes 5-6)]] for {{TM|64|Explosion}}.
|deschgss=A famous candy in Mahogany Town. Many tourists like to buy them to take home.
|lochgss=Bought from a man in [[Mahogany Town]] who stops the player from going to {{rt|44}}.
|main=RageCandyBar
}}

{{Item
|name=Rainbow Wing
|jp=にじいろのはね
|jpt=Rainbow Feather
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the player to encounter a {{p|Ho-Oh}} in the [[Bell Tower]].
|deschgss=A mystical, rainbow feather that sparkles.
|lochgss={{gameabbrev3|HG}}: Gift from the director after saving [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]]. {{gameabbrev3|SS}}: Received from an old man near the entrance to {{rt|3}} in [[Pewter City]].
}}

{{Item
|name=Red Scale
|jp=あかいウロコ
|jpt=Red Scale
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Take to [[Mr. Pokémon]] to exchange it for an {{DL|Experience-affecting item|Exp. Share}}.
|deschgss=A scale from the red Gyarados. It glows red like a flame.
|lochgss=Found in the [[Lake of Rage]] after capturing or defeating the [[Red Gyarados]].
}}

{{Item
|name=Red Orb
|jp=べにいろのたま
|jpt=Crimson Orb
|gen=III
|sprite=Red Orb IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the player to encounter {{p|Groudon}} in the [[Embedded Tower]].
|deschgss=A shiny red orb that is said to have a legend and has a deep connection with the Hoenn region.
|lochgss=Received from [[Mr. Pokémon]] after both the [[National Pokédex]] and a [[Starter Pokémon#Kanto|Kanto starter]] has been obtained from [[Professor Oak]]{{sup|SS}}.
}}

{{Item
|name=Silver Wing
|jp=ぎんいろのはね
|jpt=Silver Feather
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the player to encounter {{p|Lugia}} in the [[Whirl Islands]].
|deschgss=A strange, silvery feather that sparkles.
|lochgss={{gameabbrev3|SS}}: Gift from the manager after saving [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] {{gameabbrev3|HG}}: Received from an old man near the entrance to {{rt|3}} in [[Pewter City]].
}}

{{Item
|name=SquirtBottle
|jp=ゼニガメじょうろ
|jpt={{tt|Zenigame|Squirtle}} Watering Can
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Used to water planted [[Berry|Berries]]. If watering is done correctly, the resulting Berry trees will have higher amounts of Berries to pick.
|deschgss=A bottle used for watering plants in the Berry Pots.
|lochgss=[[Goldenrod City]] Flower Shop after defeating [[Whitney]].
}}

{{Item
|name=S.S. Ticket
|jp=ふねのチケット
|jpt=Ship Ticket
|gen=II
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows admission to the [[S.S. Aqua]].
|deschgss=The ticket required for sailing on the ferry S.S. Aqua. It has a drawing of a ship on it.
|lochgss=[[New Bark Town]], given by [[Professor Elm]] after defeating the [[Elite Four]].
|notes=Not to be confused with the S.S. Ticket from [[List of key items in Generation I#S.S. Ticket|{{color|000|Generation I}}]] or [[List of key items in Generation III#S.S. Ticket|{{color|000|Generation III}}]].
}}

{{Item
|name=Tidal Bell
|jp=うみなりのスズ
|jpt=Tide [[wp:Suzu|{{color|000|Suzu}}]]
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Allows the [[Kimono Girl]]s to summon {{p|Lugia}}.
|deschgss=An old-fashioned bell with a gentle, soothing sound.
|lochgss=Reward for defeating the Kimono Girls.{{sup|SS}}
}}

{{Item
|name=Unown Report
|jp=アンノーンノート
|jpt={{tt|Unknown|Unown}} Notebook
|gen=IV
|bag=Key items
|sell=0
|effect=Lists the caught {{p|Unown}} forms.
|deschgss=A report of all the discovered kinds of Unown.
|lochgss=[[Ruins of Alph]] research cabin.
|main=Unown Report
}}
 
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Talk:List of Key Items in Generation IV

2010-04-11T03:41:07Z

TJF:

I created this using [[List of key items in Generation III]] as a template. I think I may have added too much information on things. Feel free to trim down the wordage if you find that appropriate.

What's the policy on sprites? I don't emu the game so screencapping isn't much an option. I can find most of these sprites on serebii.net, but I understand that Bulbapedia prefers unique content when possible, and for that matter I'm not sure what serebii's opinion is on that.

With that in mind, I'm not really sure about the placement of the sprite (you can only see it on SecretPotion, since that's the only one I could find an existing sprite for). Maybe a different format would work better for the list, but I wanted to go with what already existed. To that end, I kept some of the descriptions from the Gen III items that were carried over to Gen IV (for the fishing rods, for example).

The link on [[Storage Key]] actually links to the Gen III Storage Key description. Oops. Guess that needs a disam page or somesuch.
[[User:Pdrydia|Pdrydia]] 23:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

:Munching red links. Munch munch. Also removing the link to Storage Key, since it's kinda not useful.

:I'm thinking maybe some of these item stub pages (the ones that get linked from this page) are superfluous, without much room for expansion, but I'mma leave that for the more Bulbapedia-savvy. I'm not terribly cool with the idea of deleting pages. -[[User:Pdrydia|Pdrydia]] 14:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

== beta? ==

The [[Point Card]] is not in [[Pokémon Platinum |Platinum]], so it could be beta, and the [[Vs. Recorder]] is not on this list. {{unsigned|Abcboy}}
:It's not beta if it's not in the third version. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== help with Storage Key ==

I am having huge problems with this Storage Key item, *where* exactly is it?
can someone draw on a screen cap or something? tell me what I need to get it. pretty please. {{SUBST::User:ZaphodBeeblebrox/sig}} 19:59, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:We're not a walkthrough, bud. It's not that difficult; I don't think you can get it until after Snowpoint, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Secret Key Problem ==

The section on the Secret Key for Rotom has a broken link to its in-game picture. The actual picture's filename is {{img|Bag Secret Key Sprite.png}}. If an administrator could change this, that would be great. --[[User:RiverAura|*River*]] [[User_Talk:RiverAura|*Aura*]] 21:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:Oops, I forgot there were multiple Secret Keys when I renamed the images. Fixed accordingly. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorn Case ==

the Apricorn Case is not for growthing Apricorns its just for carrying them, so that needs to be fixed --DSDark 02:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Apricorn Shaker ==

It's not an item. It's actually an outside tool like Berry Blender or Poffin Maker. It's located somewhere near Pokethlon Place. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Berry Planter ==

I noticed the Japanese title of the berry planter isn't on the article, however, I am also unable to edit the page~. The Japanese title happens to be きのみプランター. Also, the Apricorn Case is ばんぎりケース, which also happens to be missing~. Hope that's helpful~! [[User:PoisonRose|PoisonRose]] 00:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. Added. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

== Seal Case ==

The description is the same as the Pal Pad, needs to be changed, as its only used for carrying Pokeball Seals bought by player. [[User:Yourlilemogirl|Yourlilemogirl]] 02:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== new images ==

Well.. for some reason the article is locked but I already uploaded the Apricorn Case [[File:Bag Apricorn Box Sprite.png]] and the Berry Planter [[File:Bag Berry Pots Sprite.png]] images. -- [[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 20:56, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Took and uploaded 3 more, the names are the same as in 2nd gen. but the descriptions are longer. Basement Key [[File:Bag Basement Key IV Sprite.png]] Card Key [[File:Bag Card Key IV Sprite.png]] Squirtbottle [[File:Bag Squirtbottle Sprite.png]] -- [[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 22:47, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:Forgot the Mystery Egg [[File:Bag Mystery Egg Sprite.png]] although it looks like any other egg sprite. -- [[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 23:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:also forgot the Red Scale [[File:Bag Red Scale Sprite.png]], same as gen 2, you get an [[Exp. Share]] from [[Mr. Pokémon]]. -- [[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 01:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:Got the Rainbow Wing [[File:Bag Rainbow Wing Sprite.png]] and a New Item; UnownDex [[File:Bag Unown Report Sprite.png]], it does the same thing as in 2nd gen but it is now a key item instead of an extra feature in the Dex. -- [[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 06:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
::The "UnownDex" has its own page, [[Unown Note]], to link to, when it is added. Also, Fashion Case is given by Kotone/whateverthemalecharacter'snameis in HGSS when entering the Goldenrod Underground for the first time. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 16:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I have restructured the article to match the setup from the List of key items in Generation III, and reduced protection so that you experienced editors can expand this article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

http://pokewiki.de/images/d/d8/Course_Map_Icon.png this is a icon of a '''Course Map''' for HGSS and the pokéwalker, exists some infos? --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 07:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:Beta items? We'll likely have more information when we can hack them into the English versions. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Missing items ==

Hey. I have all key items in my english Rom of Platinum, incluiding the Red Chain, Magma Stone and the Seal Bag! In adittion for that, I will add a screenshot featuring the [[Magma Stone]], [[Loot Sack]], [[Rule Book]], [[S.S. Ticket]], [[Red Chain]], [[Seal Bag]] and [[Contest Pass]]. I think we need to talk about this here. And, I think that a Trivia section will be good here, because we can add in "In Pokémon Diamond, Pearl and Platinum the Red Chain, Magma Stone and other items as example the Seal Bag, in the programming data." So...What do you say? --[[User:Poke nav|Po]][[User talk:Poke nav|ké]][[Special:Contributions/Poke nav|nav]]. [[User:Poke nav/Glitch|Is]] [[User:Poke nav/User Boxes|a]] [[User:Poke nav/Histories|glitch]] [[User:Poke nav/Manga|master!]] 15:55, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
:Well for a start, you shouldn't say that they're in DP if you haven't tested them in DP... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:36, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
::They're [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl beta#Prototype_items|beta items]]. While being in the code, they don't get mentioned on this page since they're never supposed to be in the player's possession. All of those items are in the hidden code for the Gen IV games. Just as {{tt|many|all}} of the old Key Items from Gen III are. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 20:44, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

== Red Blue Green Orbs ==

Why are we calling them by those names when the Japanese names are Crimson, Indigo, and Verdant? Is there any evidence that they will be called by those names in the US? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:24, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
:Because those were their names back in RSE, too. The only time when an item name was retconned in US version was Exp.All/Exp.Share (for obvious reasons). The only name in question is Green Orb. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
::Does the blue orb exist in soul silver and does the red orb exist in heart gold?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 04:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
:::I think it's the other way 'round, with the Blue Orb and Kyogre in HeartGold, and the Red Orb and Groudon in SoulSilver. [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 06:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::Whichever way it works, do both exist in both games, or does one simply replace the other?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 18:46, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
:::They exist in the coding of both, but you can only legitimately get the Red Orb in SoulSilver and the Blue Orb in HeartGold, just so it's out there. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:59, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Good Rod ==

The Good Rod is listed as the following: "HGSS Received from a fisherman inside Olivine City's Café. ". I found it inside the house south of the Gym in Olivine City with a fisherman that said something about the love of the sea... That was in Heart Gold version. Is there something I don't know about, or is this faulty information? [[User:TJF|TJF]] 03:37, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

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