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Talk:Buizel (Pokémon)

2018-04-25T00:50:08Z

TJBexter:

Given the multiple tails, could Buizel have possibly taken inspiration from kitsune? [[User:TJBexter|TJBexter's the name, gaming's my... uh... game.]] ([[User talk:TJBexter|talk]]) 00:48, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Also I have no freaking idea how to put this in the body of the page. Could someone walk me through it? [[User:TJBexter|TJBexter's the name, gaming's my... uh... game.]] ([[User talk:TJBexter|talk]]) 00:50, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

== Dawn's Buizel ==

How could [[Dawn (anime)|Dawn]] use [[Dawn's Buizel|Buizel]] in [[DP011|Mounting a Corridnater Assault]] when see didn't catch it until [[DP034]]? --[[User:Theryguy512]] 12:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:It wasn't Dawn's Buizel, it was another coordinator's. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 16:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, thanks for clearing that up. --[[User:Theryguy512]] 22:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Tails on Buizel's page ==

As there is zero definitive proof (and it is also highly unlikely) that Buizel is in any way based off of the character Tails, he should not be mentioned at all in the Origin section, a statement on any resemblance between the characters in the Trivia section would be more in line with the Bulbapedia standards. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]]
:Dude, Buizel is orange, JUST LIKE TAILS. Buizel has TWO tails, JUST LIKE TAILS. Using it's tails, Buizel can FLY, JUST LIKE TAILS!!! It's pretty clear that Nintendo just ripped off Sega... --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 22:35, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I play Sonic, and Tails is YELLOW!!!!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]] 22:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:Tails is orange. [[wp:Image:Sonicchannel tails cg.png|See?]] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
::''It's pretty clear that Nintendo just ripped off Sega...'' That means that Gaemfreekz is running out of ideaz, rite? D8 *runs* [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Tails is not as orange as Buizel is though! And isn't he more of a cat?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]] 23:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

:::I can rattle off ways in which the characters are dissimilar, but that would not be productive. The simple fact is that it is extremely unlikely that Buizel is based off of tails, as such mention of any similarities is purely trivial, and thus belongs in the trivia section. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 07:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:...Tails is a fox. Come ON Kuki, you call yourself a fan of Sonic. *grumbles about post-SA2* '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::It is mosty likely a coincidence. After all, SEGA is pretty much...animal. Pokémon is pretty much...animal. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]08:42 6 Apr 2008'''
:::OMGZ SANDSLASH RIPS OF KUNLKES!! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

What are you going to say next? Sonic gets a green female hedgehog friend that is on all fours with a flower in its head? You going to say that's Shaymin?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]] 12:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, first of, that character would be made AFTER Shaymin, which makes it look like ''Sonic'' ripped off ''Pokémon''. And why are you so against this?'''[[User:Pachirisulover12|P]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|L]][[User:Pachirisulover12/Trade Shop|1]][[User:Pachirisulover12/Discharge Gym|2]]''' 12:46, 6 April 2008(UTC)

I'm not really against it, but saying that they took ideas from each other doesn't sound right.--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]] 12:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
: Naruto must be based on Tails too, both orange, both foxes, both eternally chasing a spikey-headed blue dude that is too cool for school. Vilpix, must be too. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 14:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

:: I still see there has been no evidence brought forward to support Tails being present in the Origin section, yet the edit I made has been reverted. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 12:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Buizel could have been based on any number of things; It has very similar features to Tails, therefore that could be one of the origins of Buizels design. So I think that it should be included in the origin section. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 13:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
[[File:Flying Buizel.png|thumb|This is a clear reference.]]
::::Why else would a pure-water Pokémon be given the power of flight? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 13:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:Good Point. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 13:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

::::: The Pokédex entries for Buizel state the tails are used as a propeller for swimming (reflective of how [[wp: Sea Otter|Sea Otters]] have muscular tails used to propel them), they do not mention flying at all. The anime has been known to take creative license. I really do find it difficult to believe that Buizel's origin involves Tails. Especially since this is one of those species of Pokémon that is basically just an enhanced version of a real-world animal. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 16:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::How many real-world animals use two tails as a propeller? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
0 ([[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 14:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC))

Okay,:
1. I don't think buizel is ''comepletely'' based on Tails. Just the fact that they're orange, have two tails, and can fly using them like propellers.
2. The only similarities between Knuckles and Sandslash are alike are that they have claws.
3. About the Shaymin thing... In the Sonic comic books, there is a green hedgehog, but that's their only similarity! Scourge (the green hedgehog) is a guy, walks on two legs, is evil, and wouldn't be caught dead with flowers in his hair.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 21:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:Buizel does bare resemblance to Tails, but I think it really belongs in the Trivia section, not in Origin. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 22:51, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request (last one for now!) ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex={{tt|くびの　うきぶくろを　ふくらませて　すいめんに　かおをだし　ちじょうの　えものの　うごきを　さぐるのだ。|It inflates the floatation sac around its neck to poke its face out of the water and search for the movement of prey above ground.}}</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== Transliteration ==

Is there any reason for having ブイゼル transliterated as Buoysel? The romanised katakana say "buizeru", which sounds just like weasel preceded by a B as far as I can tell, while Buoysel sounds nothing like it. I don't want to change it without making sure there isn't some other reason, such as a different romanization scheme, first. —[[User:Aiea|Aiea]] 20:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:I just looked up buoy on [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/buoy wiktionary], and it seems that yes, in US English, buoy is pronounced like the beginning of weasel. I would still suggest a more phonetic transcription of the sound, though, as it is ambiguous depending on accent for English speakers. —[[User:Aiea|Aiea]] 20:28, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ask Gamefreak. They trademarked the romanisation ''Buoysel'', which is why we use it. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Better yet, ask NoA why they went for a localization of the name that more resembled a direct transliteration. ¯\(º_o)/¯ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Buizel (Pokémon)

2018-04-25T00:48:44Z

TJBexter:

Given the multiple tails, could Buizel have possibly taken inspiration from kitsune? [[User:TJBexter|TJBexter's the name, gaming's my... uh... game.]] ([[User talk:TJBexter|talk]]) 00:48, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

== Dawn's Buizel ==

How could [[Dawn (anime)|Dawn]] use [[Dawn's Buizel|Buizel]] in [[DP011|Mounting a Corridnater Assault]] when see didn't catch it until [[DP034]]? --[[User:Theryguy512]] 12:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:It wasn't Dawn's Buizel, it was another coordinator's. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 16:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, thanks for clearing that up. --[[User:Theryguy512]] 22:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Tails on Buizel's page ==

As there is zero definitive proof (and it is also highly unlikely) that Buizel is in any way based off of the character Tails, he should not be mentioned at all in the Origin section, a statement on any resemblance between the characters in the Trivia section would be more in line with the Bulbapedia standards. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]]
:Dude, Buizel is orange, JUST LIKE TAILS. Buizel has TWO tails, JUST LIKE TAILS. Using it's tails, Buizel can FLY, JUST LIKE TAILS!!! It's pretty clear that Nintendo just ripped off Sega... --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 22:35, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I play Sonic, and Tails is YELLOW!!!!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]] 22:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:Tails is orange. [[wp:Image:Sonicchannel tails cg.png|See?]] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
::''It's pretty clear that Nintendo just ripped off Sega...'' That means that Gaemfreekz is running out of ideaz, rite? D8 *runs* [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Tails is not as orange as Buizel is though! And isn't he more of a cat?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]] 23:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

:::I can rattle off ways in which the characters are dissimilar, but that would not be productive. The simple fact is that it is extremely unlikely that Buizel is based off of tails, as such mention of any similarities is purely trivial, and thus belongs in the trivia section. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 07:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:...Tails is a fox. Come ON Kuki, you call yourself a fan of Sonic. *grumbles about post-SA2* '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::It is mosty likely a coincidence. After all, SEGA is pretty much...animal. Pokémon is pretty much...animal. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]08:42 6 Apr 2008'''
:::OMGZ SANDSLASH RIPS OF KUNLKES!! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

What are you going to say next? Sonic gets a green female hedgehog friend that is on all fours with a flower in its head? You going to say that's Shaymin?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]] 12:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, first of, that character would be made AFTER Shaymin, which makes it look like ''Sonic'' ripped off ''Pokémon''. And why are you so against this?'''[[User:Pachirisulover12|P]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|L]][[User:Pachirisulover12/Trade Shop|1]][[User:Pachirisulover12/Discharge Gym|2]]''' 12:46, 6 April 2008(UTC)

I'm not really against it, but saying that they took ideas from each other doesn't sound right.--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]] 12:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
: Naruto must be based on Tails too, both orange, both foxes, both eternally chasing a spikey-headed blue dude that is too cool for school. Vilpix, must be too. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 14:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

:: I still see there has been no evidence brought forward to support Tails being present in the Origin section, yet the edit I made has been reverted. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 12:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Buizel could have been based on any number of things; It has very similar features to Tails, therefore that could be one of the origins of Buizels design. So I think that it should be included in the origin section. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 13:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
[[File:Flying Buizel.png|thumb|This is a clear reference.]]
::::Why else would a pure-water Pokémon be given the power of flight? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 13:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:Good Point. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 13:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

::::: The Pokédex entries for Buizel state the tails are used as a propeller for swimming (reflective of how [[wp: Sea Otter|Sea Otters]] have muscular tails used to propel them), they do not mention flying at all. The anime has been known to take creative license. I really do find it difficult to believe that Buizel's origin involves Tails. Especially since this is one of those species of Pokémon that is basically just an enhanced version of a real-world animal. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 16:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::How many real-world animals use two tails as a propeller? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
0 ([[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 14:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC))

Okay,:
1. I don't think buizel is ''comepletely'' based on Tails. Just the fact that they're orange, have two tails, and can fly using them like propellers.
2. The only similarities between Knuckles and Sandslash are alike are that they have claws.
3. About the Shaymin thing... In the Sonic comic books, there is a green hedgehog, but that's their only similarity! Scourge (the green hedgehog) is a guy, walks on two legs, is evil, and wouldn't be caught dead with flowers in his hair.--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 21:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:Buizel does bare resemblance to Tails, but I think it really belongs in the Trivia section, not in Origin. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 22:51, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request (last one for now!) ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex={{tt|くびの　うきぶくろを　ふくらませて　すいめんに　かおをだし　ちじょうの　えものの　うごきを　さぐるのだ。|It inflates the floatation sac around its neck to poke its face out of the water and search for the movement of prey above ground.}}</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== Transliteration ==

Is there any reason for having ブイゼル transliterated as Buoysel? The romanised katakana say "buizeru", which sounds just like weasel preceded by a B as far as I can tell, while Buoysel sounds nothing like it. I don't want to change it without making sure there isn't some other reason, such as a different romanization scheme, first. —[[User:Aiea|Aiea]] 20:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:I just looked up buoy on [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/buoy wiktionary], and it seems that yes, in US English, buoy is pronounced like the beginning of weasel. I would still suggest a more phonetic transcription of the sound, though, as it is ambiguous depending on accent for English speakers. —[[User:Aiea|Aiea]] 20:28, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ask Gamefreak. They trademarked the romanisation ''Buoysel'', which is why we use it. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Better yet, ask NoA why they went for a localization of the name that more resembled a direct transliteration. ¯\(º_o)/¯ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Water Sport (move)

2018-02-21T03:47:04Z

TJBexter: /* Baton Pass */

I just watched that episode and no one never actually directed Lotad to use Water Sport... {{unsigned|Wytsalvy}}
:I'm actually pretty sure it's Water Gun. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 04:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
== Baton Pass ==
Can Water Sport be Baton Passed?[[User:Malake256|WeavilePwns]] 14:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

No, it targets the whole field. [[User:TJBexter|TJBexter's the name, gaming's my... uh... game.]] ([[User talk:TJBexter|talk]]) 03:46, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

== Poliwag ==
Does Poliwag learn Water Sport at level 0 like its page says? [[User:Drbazzi|Drbazzi]] 05:40, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:It's a starting move, meaning that Poliwag knows it when it hatches from an egg.[[User:SONICバリヤ|SONICバリヤ]] 00:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

== Healing status effects? ==

I remember using Water sport on a pokemon that had water absorb or something similar in gen 3, and it healing a status effect once during the battle. I can't really confirm this, but I wonder if someone who has time and interest could test this? [[User:Ymedron|Ymedron]] ([[User talk:Ymedron|talk]]) 01:01, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
:I just tried, and Water Sport doesn't heal with Water Absorb. Neither does Rain Dance. At least, they don't in in Gen IV. Figured I'd check both at the same time. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:48, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Ah, thank you anyway. I wonder what made me think that... [[User:Ymedron|Ymedron]] ([[User talk:Ymedron|talk]]) 20:54, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Water Sport (move)

2018-02-21T03:46:49Z

TJBexter: /* Baton Pass */

I just watched that episode and no one never actually directed Lotad to use Water Sport... {{unsigned|Wytsalvy}}
:I'm actually pretty sure it's Water Gun. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 04:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
== Baton Pass ==
Can Water Sport be Baton Passed?[[User:Malake256|WeavilePwns]] 14:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
No, it targets the whole field. [[User:TJBexter|TJBexter's the name, gaming's my... uh... game.]] ([[User talk:TJBexter|talk]]) 03:46, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

== Poliwag ==
Does Poliwag learn Water Sport at level 0 like its page says? [[User:Drbazzi|Drbazzi]] 05:40, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:It's a starting move, meaning that Poliwag knows it when it hatches from an egg.[[User:SONICバリヤ|SONICバリヤ]] 00:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

== Healing status effects? ==

I remember using Water sport on a pokemon that had water absorb or something similar in gen 3, and it healing a status effect once during the battle. I can't really confirm this, but I wonder if someone who has time and interest could test this? [[User:Ymedron|Ymedron]] ([[User talk:Ymedron|talk]]) 01:01, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
:I just tried, and Water Sport doesn't heal with Water Absorb. Neither does Rain Dance. At least, they don't in in Gen IV. Figured I'd check both at the same time. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:48, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Ah, thank you anyway. I wonder what made me think that... [[User:Ymedron|Ymedron]] ([[User talk:Ymedron|talk]]) 20:54, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Silvally (Pokémon)

2018-02-17T18:01:23Z

TJBexter: /* Again, Russian name... */

== Griffin ==

It's cat-like ears, beak-like snout, eagle-shaped ax on it's forehead, bird-like forelegs, cat-like hind legs, and the shape of it's neck and it's feather-like appendages make it resemble a griffin.[[User:Robbie|Robbie]] ([[User talk:Robbie|talk]]) 13:29, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

:+1 to this motion. I'd compromise by saying it's based on the concept of a chimera but overall resembling a griffin. [[User:Headsprouter|Headsprouter]] ([[User talk:Headsprouter|talk]]) 01:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
::There's ''maybe'' one part of Silvally that looks ''kind of'' like a griffin...maybe. Most of Silvally is a thorough mish-mash, deviating strongly from typical griffin characteristics. It's just a chimera; not a griffin. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:52, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Taloned forelegs, beaked head with mammalian ears, paws on rear legs. I'm counting four. Sure it lacks wings and has a fin on its arse, but it does not seem likely to me that they'd make a combo creature and out of pure coincidence choose four of the creature parts that make a Griffin. [[User:Headsprouter|Headsprouter]] ([[User talk:Headsprouter|talk]]) 21:23, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Those are not remotely eagle talons on its forelegs. I really don't see anything about that mouth really being a beak, unless you're drawing the wrong conclusions from the metal parts. And the mere fact that it has "paws" on its rear legs is incredibly generic at best. (The ears also are kind of nothing (definite).) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:34, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::I didn't say eagle, I said taloned. They're chitinous talons or "claws" that match the silhouette of a griffin as does most of the rest of Silvally's design. Even if paws is vague its mammalian backend significant when considered next to the rest of it. Whether or not my considering the hooked part of its upper jaw to be reminiscent of a beak is wrong is entirely subjective. I'll agree with you on the ears being small and acknowledge the lack of wings, but I really don't think I'm being unreasonable here. A lot of Pokemon could be considered chimeras by design. Blastoise has ears and a bear face. [[User:Headsprouter|Headsprouter]] ([[User talk:Headsprouter|talk]]) 22:32, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::: Oh yeah, the cry sounds like a bird too. [[User:Headsprouter|Headsprouter]] ([[User talk:Headsprouter|talk]]) 22:44, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I think that it's fair that it be added. There are lots of origins that don't make 100% sense but are still there. Personally, the griffin thing makes more sense than a lot other things on this wiki and the origin section shouldn't be based on the perceptions of one person, even if they are a mod. ----[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 00:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::::I have to back Tiddlywinks on this one. It's clearly a chimera, and pretty much every body part of a standard "griffin" is either entirely absent from Silvally or too vague or generic to seem intentional. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:31, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::It's for sure a chimera, but it also has traits of griffins, more than other Pokémon have traits of certain other things. You don't have to see it, personally I don't see it, but there are a lot of shared traits, which is why Tiddlywinks added it. ----[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 13:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Shrug* I added it because I remembered that, yeah, origin sections get pretty speculative compared to the rest of the wiki, making it hard to truly argue, so I usually don't touch them unless it's too out there. I don't like this, but at the end of the day it's not so far enough out that I have the energy to take ''that'' much of a stand on. (And when people come off as politer than I generally expect, that's always nice/humbling. =P ) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:23, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Just wanted to stop by to say thanks. Calling Silvally a chimera (but not THE chimera) is 100% correct, but I just wanted to suggest something that was a touch more specific and from my point of view, justified. Didn't even really need to see it added, just wanted to throw the idea out there and make sure people understood where I was coming from with it. [[User:Headsprouter|Headsprouter]] ([[User talk:Headsprouter|talk]]) 23:40, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::I noticed a cool tidbit which points to an avian inspiration. Silvally can learn steel wing, whereas as Type: Null with its head covered and crest held shut, it could not. Am I done talking now? Who knows? [[User:Headsprouter|Headsprouter]] ([[User talk:Headsprouter|talk]]) 06:27, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

== Again, Russian name... ==

Russian name for Silvally is Силвалли. Can't wait to see the name origin, what a sil(val)ly name for such an intimidating Pokémon! --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 13:37, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
:Wait, what is the origin? [[User:TJBexter|TJBexter's the name, gaming's my... uh... game.]] ([[User talk:TJBexter|talk]]) 18:01, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
:The transcription should be as follows <code>''Silvalli''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name</code>. Sadly it's just nohting more as the written English name. :( --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 14:14, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks m8! Since I don't want to mess anything up (I'm no expert on foreign languages or alphabets, I just like them) I didn't put that there. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 14:19, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
:::No worries! There's quite few of the Russian names that isn't a transcription of their English name I'm afraid. Only like {{p|Kangaskhan}}, {{p|Vanilluxe}}, and {{p|Type: Null}} when I think of it actualy. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 15:43, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
::::And Vanilluxe and Kangaskhan are still very close. That's kind of sad, that Russian doesn't get its own Pokémon names. But it's still better than if it were not even transcribed. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 18:30, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

== Update ==
Well, the English name origin should be updated... [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 18:11, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

== Biology ==

I saw nobody started on it yet, so I thought I'd put this here. It's still rather rough, so feel free to edit it as needed.

Silvally is a tall, quadruped with traits from a variety of animals. Its formerly gray fur is now a brilliant white, and the silver spike at the tip of its mohawk is now longer and a darker grey. The blade is now split further into two sections, with three additional white blades protruding from the back. Silvally's upper jaw is metallic, with a 'rivet' on each side and a sharp, triangular hook angling downwards near the end, resembling that of a bird. There are three red lines surrounding its black, triangular nose and a metallic 'strip' running along the middle of its snout, tapering off into a point near its ears. Silvally's ears are the same white color as its fur on the outside, being black and red on the inside. Two triangles of the same red color extend from the ears and point downwards. Silvally's limbs and torso remain mainly unchanged, and the mane of fur cascading down Silvally's neck now fully covers its chest. {{unsigned|Spirios}}

== Legendary status ==

[https://twitter.com/SciresM/status/799322666079551488 In the game's coding], Type: Null and Silvally are classified as "sub-legendaries" (legendaries that are allowed in battle facilities), and their Pokedex page has the same green background that legendaries have. So should we call them Legendary Pokemon or not? --[[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]] ([[User talk:Master Lucario|talk]]) 04:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

:This is a subject very similar to the discussion going on about the Ultra Beasts and the Tapus, which are also allowed in restricted gameplay. Silvally is a man-made Pokemon, and while Mewtwo shows man-made Pokemon aren't exempt from being legendary, there are multiple Silvally, similar to Porygon. Silvally is also an evolved form, but as Solgaleo and Lunala have shown, evolution among legendaries is possible. These points aren't brought up to sway one way or the other; I'm just pointing out that it is extremely difficult to tell for now, and so more information is needed. It shouldn't be added into the article until a consensus is reached. Currently, the plan is to leave it undecided until Nintendo or Game Freak give more information. (see [[Talk:Legendary_Pokémon]]) [[User:TechSkylander1518|TechSkylander1518]] ([[User talk:TechSkylander1518|talk]]) 05:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Indeed Silvally along with the Tapus and Ultra Beats are very special and unique Pokemon.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 16:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

== English Name Origin ==

Seeing as how Silvally is known as the Synthetic Pokemon and has very prominent high-tech traits, I believe that it is extremely plausible that this Pokemon's name may also be a reference to the Silicon Valley region.

My contribution is just as plausible as the previous edit by the user Taylor, which noted that "ally" was intentionally replaced with "buddy".

I feel that either both edits should stay, or they should both be removed. Thoughts? [[User:ImNotGoodAtPasswords|ImNotGoodAtPasswords]] ([[User talk:ImNotGoodAtPasswords|talk]]) 21:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
:That is not a compromise, that is being salty and trying to get your way. "Ally" is far more plausible and believable that "Silicon Valley".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:54, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
::The user Taylor's edit points out that Silvally's name has the word "all" in it. To me, that seems like a side effect of using the word ally, rather than an intentional decision. I am just curious why his contribution can stay while mine is removed.

::I apologize for any annoyances I've caused. I just wanted to supply my own conviction on the topic. [[User:ImNotGoodAtPasswords|ImNotGoodAtPasswords]] ([[User talk:ImNotGoodAtPasswords|talk]]) 05:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
:::"Buddy" is an English word which implies a much closer relationship than "ally" – thus making more sense in context. However, they intentionally replaced it with another English word that doesn't really make the name any more Western-friendly than it already was. Why? Randomly? "Let's just change it because"? I don't think so. It seems to me that the only reason "ally", specifically, would be picked is because it contains "all", in contrast to the previous form's "null" and tying to the ability and lore. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 21:33, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
::::If they did a direct translation it would be "Silvuddy", I can understand why they altered it. As for "changing things just because" then localisation absolutely does this, they changed Isshu to Unova, Ranculus to Reuiniclus, Chandela to Chandelure, and so on. The name is not related to "Silicon Valley" or "All" because the phonetic sounds of "Ally" don't match the other two interpretations. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] ([[User talk:N-Denizen|talk]]) 23:08, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::"Isshu" is not Western-friendly at all, "Ranculus" and "Chandela" were minor spelling alterations. This time they replaced an English word with another English word that is ''less'' fitting for the name's context (since Gladion was the one to name the species) – one that just happens to have "all" to contrast with Type: ''Null''. Phonetically matching or not (even though we don't even know how the Pokémon's name is actually pronounced; remember {{p|Arceus|RKS}}?), I think it's ''possible'' it isn't a coincidence; but, of course, it's all speculation (as are most name-related things unless they outright reveal where the name comes from). - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] ([[User talk:Taylor|talk]]) 00:45, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

It should be mentioned in Trivia that Silvally is its name because it was named by Gladion himself (Moon pokedex entry), as opposed to it just being "known" like with other species. Would make it perhaps the only one of its kind to have that specification, except for perhaps Mewtwo. [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] ([[User talk:N-Denizen|talk]]) 21:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I think in trivia there should also be some mention of the ability RKS system alluding to Arceus (given the pronunciation used for Arceus is often ar-key-us). It is fairly apparent that Silvally is supposed to be similar to Arceus given its ability to change type with a hold item corresponding to every type is the same (just with different items), the fact that this then changes its appearance/forme too is similar, the pun in the ability and equally a move which changes type and is thus a guaranteed STAB move. [[User:Mikey P22|Mikey P22]] ([[User talk:Mikey P22|talk]]) 14:19, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

:The game states that three Type: Null were created, and so far, only one had canonically evolved (not counting the player's). The game also implies that the Type: Full project was to create their own (albeit far less powerful) version of Arceus, given it is able to adapt to any environment. Though I wouldn't assume that Type: Null and Silvally are legendary Pokémon unless Nintendo outright confirms that their relationship with Arceus is similar to that of Mewtwo's relationship with Mew. [[User:UxieLover1994|UxieLover1994]] ([[User talk:UxieLover1994|talk]]) 22:45, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

== Silvally in Pokémon Horizon ==

As can be seen [https://twitter.com/yabu_ten/status/798514022882549762 here], Silvally appears in the game under the ownership of a trainer other than Gladion. The text doesn't include his name, but says he appears in chapter three. If I knew his name I'd add that info to the article. Can anyone else find out his name? [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 17:49, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
:That's {{p|Type: Null}}, the prevo for Silvally. I know nothing about Pokemon Horizon or Japanese, but it looks like this trainer doesn't have a name and that the comic isn't out yet, so we don't know. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 17:56, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mistake, but the chapter must be already out, since it's the third and the manga already had its first collected volume. Besides, the tweet is from last November. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 18:16, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Huh, okay. I've never heard of the Pokemon Horizon comic, but I could try to find an online version of it. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:20, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
::::So, already found anything? I'd check up myself, but I couldn't find the manga online anywhere, just random pages. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
:::::Nope, couldn't find anything. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 21:10, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::His name is Tokio. But unless you have context as to the story, it's best you avoid adding any information about it. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 03:54, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)

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== Similarities ==
How has no one pointed out Zygarde's similarities to Cell from DBZ? [[User:TJBexter|TJBexter's the name, gaming's my... uh.. game.]] ([[User talk:TJBexter|talk]]) 19:11, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

==Legendary?==
Isn't this a Legendary Pokémon? If so, why isn't it listed as such? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:57, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Two possible reasons: either someone simply overlooked it or the staff is waiting for official confirmation of its legendary status before adding it. (Though it seems obvious that it's the Rayquaza/Giratina/Kyurem of this generation, there's always still the infinitesimal chance that Nintendo could be throwing us for a loop somehow.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::It's just been overlooked. It's a Legendary. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

== Dex Trivia? ==

Is it notable that it's last both numerically in the National Dex and alphabetically? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 19:39, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't have an issue with it. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless they make a "Generation VII" or Expansion Pack (like in The Sims) where the grass starter or one of the early Pokémon has a name like "Zyzkrieg". Then it would not be anymore. (but i think the next game should be the Gen. III Remake in 2014, and then "Pokemon Z" in 2015, and the generation VII if it can exist properly, would be in 2016. Propably introduce hybrid Pokémon or Poké-humans or a subplot with aliens or time travel or somesuch.) --[[User:Kaiko Mikkusu|Kaiko Mikkusu]] ([[User talk:Kaiko Mikkusu|talk]]) 19:30, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Kaiko Mikkusu.

Maybe you should keep the crazy fan ideas in the forums. I find those "Poké-humans" very unlikely to made by Nintendo. But we'll never know. Until that happens, we should keep that idea off the encyclopedia. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 22:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Image origin ==

Where did this image come from, why does it not look like the usual Ken Sugimori art style, why doesn't it look like the other, front forward facing Zygarde pic I keep seeing next to Xerneas and Yveltal? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 08:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
:It's not the official artwork, only a placeholder that is used for now (at least it seems so to me). It's the Global Link artwork as stated on the file's page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 08:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
::And the image you're talking is just fanart. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 09:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

== Physical appearance ==

Given its underground habits, its partial insect-like appearance and the fact it sports tail-end cerci and six tiny limbs close to its head; I'd say Zygarde's design might've been inspired by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beetle#Larva beetle larvae/grub], a [http://bugguide.net/images/raw/NKRKEK0KPKZK6KXKAKMKZSWQHS6QB0UQRSMKPK6QT0ZKB09QVKIKBKXKDKVQRS8KNK0KEKHKWK6Q2K.jpg Ground Beetle larva] to be precise, given its shape. Would it be alright to add that to the origin section? --[[User:Jomarori|Jomarori]] ([[User talk:Jomarori|talk]]) 15:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
: I don't see it as a larva, its more or less a serpent. Although with the mention of Zygote likely having some basis for its name, I am kind of thinking sperm cell. Not saying it looks like a sperm cell, at least not a human sperm cell. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:18, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Perhaps it also takes inspiration from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko tsuchinoko], much like Dunsparce? It's notable for being a rather wide serpent, as well as having a notable straightforward "wiggle" rather than slithering from side to side. Also, the tsuchinoko's ability to swallow its own tail merges well with the possible basis on Jörmungandr, which could grasp its own tail even wrapped around the earth. --[[User:Eskay64|Eskay64]] ([[User talk:Eskay64|talk]]) 04:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Zygarde's appearance was absolutely inspired by fibuli, these early medieval pins that were common throughout Scandinavia as a means of pinning tunics together. Here are a few examples, [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Frankish_-_Digitated_Fibula_-_Walters_542443.jpg image 1] [http://imgur.com/ylEuTp5 image 2]. As you can see the idea of a long snakelike body is here along with a flaring head, complete with a bunch of pieces sticking out. These would have been totally normal things for upper class medieval Scandinavians to wear and thus fits Gen 6's Nordic legendary theme. I'm haven't seen this connection made anywhere else, but once I saw it in class I recognized it right a way. Perhaps following that logic we might find some other sort of medieval jewelry references in the other legendaries? {{unsigned|Dockers}}

So I just read that "[Zygarde's] hexagons glow in certain patterns like a computer processing information" and I have to ask: have any of you guys actually seen a computer? There ''has'' to be a better way of describing that that doesn't insult people who know how computers work.

(also I edited Dockers' comment because that picture was huge) {{unsigned|Grent|03:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)}}

== Zygarde Etymology ==

Just looking at the naming trivia, I can't imagine that Garde is actually tied to the origins of its name. It's very serpent-like and clearly based on Norse mythology, so perhaps Zygote and Midgard - specifically the Midgard Serpent.

== Position in Trio ==

Zygarde is in a Legendary trio with Xerneas an Yveltal, so it's "element" should fit with Creation and Destruction. Considering it's Pokédex entry, I think it's safe to say Xerneas = Creation, Yveltal = Destruction, and Zygarde = PRESERVATION. {{unsigned|Conansboy}}
:Which means that the trio is possibly based upon Hindu mythology.--[[User:Teamg9|Teamg9]] ([[User talk:Teamg9|talk]]) 12:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

== Catch rate ==

I doubt that Zygarde's catch rate is really 0. Is this a filler till that info is found, or an error?
[[User:Reywas360|Reywas360]] ([[User talk:Reywas360|talk]]) 13:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's a filler.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 13:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Yggdrasil Trio ==

I'm finally starting to thing this, alongside Xerneas and Yveltal were based on Norse Mythology beasts in the Tree of Yggdrasil. They all represent Life, Death and Order as a whole. So should they be called the Yggdrasil Trio?--[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] ([[User talk:Duo2nd|talk]]) 02:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:Its not really verified they are a trio. At least not yet anyways. As for the Norse basis, its possible they are not based on norse mythology at all, but Hindu mythology or one or more mythologies. As of now, the most popular name for them seems to be Aura Trio if they are a trio. There is a thread about their name on the forum if you're interested. The Thread kind of died but if you have anything to say, there would be the place to say it. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:56, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::They obviously are a trio. It could not be any more obvious if ot tried. And we have no clue what they are supposed to be based of other than the axes, so it could be either. Or both. As for the name, I guess we'll see how it goes.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Just wanted to throw it out there ==

Bulbasaur + Zygarde = Bulbagarde

Trivia???{{tt|*|I guess probably not, but I just wanted to throw that out there :D}}

-[[User:KyuremTrainer|KyuremTrainer]] ([[User talk:KyuremTrainer|talk]]) 15:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I'm going to have to say no on that. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Typing oddity ==

Isn't it rather peculiar how Zygarde, the "Order Pokémon", has a defensive type disadvantage against Fairy and an offensive one against Flying, which are the types of Xerneas and Yveltal, respectively?

--[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 07:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:I wouldn't consider that notable--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if they are indeed a trio, isn't it somewhat notable that one of them (The "Order Pokémon", might I add) is weak to the others? --[[User:TheAsianIsGamin|TheAsianIsGamin]] ([[User talk:TheAsianIsGamin|talk]]) 04:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Defensive and offensive disadvantages are completely different things. I don't think it's as clearly intentional (and thus notable) as, for example, all of the legendary golems' weakness to Fighting. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:24, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
::::I think that it most likely was intentional. Even though the fact that it is weak to Xerneas is probably not as notable, Xerneas and Yveltal are each immune to one of its types, and I think that that should be noted. (The fact that it is weak to Xerneas isn't as notable because it isn't also weak to Yveltal.) This is just my opinion, though! ^^ [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 07:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Move levels? ==

How do we know all the levels Zygarde knows its moves? You can't catch it below level 70... {{unsigned|DisgruntledGoat}}
:Most of the other legendaries had their move levels added because they're in [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Articuno_(Pok%C3%A9mon)&diff=2034674&oldid=2034646 a Japanese guidebook], and since Zygarde's were added as part of that round of edits by the same users, I think it's reasonable to assume it was in the guidebook, too, even though nobody has specifically singled it out. Thus, I'll be reinstating the levels for now. If someone with the guidebook wants to confirm whether Zygarde is in it, please speak up. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde Reappearances ==

I believe that Zygarde reappears every time you defeat the Elite Four, just like Mewtwo does. I think this should be researched and noted in the Game Locations section. {{unsigned|NerfPlayeR135}}
:It does indeed respawn if fainted after you defeat the Elite Four. I've confirmed it myself just a moment ago. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

== Zygarde is in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal ==

Admit it guys, Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

*Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
*Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with Z.
*Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
*Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
*It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

With that in mind, I can't see how ANYBODY can believe Zygarde is not related to either of them, as it's so obvious it's painful to say the least. The fact that Zygarde is the ONLY Non-Event Legendary from Kalos other than Xerneas and Yveltal doesn't help matters, and neither Diancie nor the still unconfirmed Volcanion and Hoopa look like they'd be anywhere near related to Xerneas or Yveltal as much as Zygarde does. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 14:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:Zygarde is not with Xerneas and Yveltal, also, we don't talk about hidden Pokémon (except Diancie is already confirmed) so we have to wait in the future until it's confirmed to be in a trio. --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 10:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
::For all we know, Diancie could be in the "trio" if there is one, and not Zygarde. Zygarde might even be in the trio with other hidden Pokémon. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
:::For God's sake, Zygarde isn't in anyway related to Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::@Cinday - Sometimes we don't need to wait for evidence. Things kind of things work like postulates - need no proving. What we need in these situations are simply common sense! Just an opinion. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 10:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Now that the various formes of Zygarde have been revealed, and how it was stated to be more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal, the other two members of it's own trio whom which it's supposed to keep in balance, it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 18:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yes, you were right the whole time, and everyone else knew it too. It's blatantly obvious when its ability literally only affected Yveltal and Xerneas. Your arguments here can be equated to an English student trying to convince their high school teacher that sentences can start with and or but. Everyone knows it, and you're acting like you're the only who's realized. If anything, you're the one that's behind on how things work. The point is that it hasn't been officially recognized, and isn't critical information regarding Zygarde as a Pokemon, so it is unnecessary and possibly detrimental to this encyclopedia that we add irrelevant information such as this. Or at least it was. We can probably add it soon, but not before the connection is solid and integral to Zygarde as an idea/character/whatever you consider an individual Pokemon to be. There's a time and place for everything, but not now. [[User:ArtistKyurem|ArtistKyurem]] ([[User talk:ArtistKyurem|talk]]) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::^Just wanted to point out he never said, as you said he did, that he "was the only one to realize it". He kept saying, like you, that it is obvious to everyone that they're a trio. {{unsigned|Ratcicle Fan}}
::::::::I think he's talking about when he said ''it's safe to say that I was right this whole time, yes?'', which is really arrogant.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Hey Guys, I realize the XYZ special with Xernease, Yveltal, and Zyagrd ewwere emtnioened a par tor a trio. So can Zygarde now be added together with the Morality Duo as Moratlity Trio? Source a proof : bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/SS036 --[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 23:20, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

== Source on EV yield ==

Do Zygarde had an EV yield confirmed, or is it unsourced? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:EV yields are listed in the official guidebook. Though even if they weren't, they're something we can easily test and data that we can prove through testing is okay, too. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::So what is the name of the official guidebook? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:25, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::''Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide.'' [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
::::So what about catch rates, base friendship and some other information? So since the EV yields are confirmed for Kalos Pokémon according to the official guidebook, could you revert my edits please? --[[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ''([[User talk:Cinday123|Talk]])'' 05:31, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
The book just has the EV yields. The catch rate and base friendship are not included, unconfirmed, and nearly impossible to test. We can't include those on this site yet. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 05:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Testing catch rate is very "possible", just very involved. Testing base friendship is child's play by comparison. ''That'', you just have to be a little smart about (...possibly a little more than a little). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

== Quite obvious physical appearance once you're aware. ==

Zygarde's appearance is obviously based on a serpent in the shape of a Z as well as the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga Naga].
Naga are many-headed serpents which appear in Hindu and Buddhist mythology and look like anything from cobras to dragons.
Once you know the Naga, the similarity is undeniable.
[http://travelphotos.alittleadrift.com/Asia/Cambodia/Siem-Reap/i-HQDpm5D/0/O/Naga%20serpent%20angkor%20wat%20cambodia-2.jpg Naga 1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NagaPhnomPenh.jpg Naga 2] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phra_Maha_Chedi_Chai_Mongkol_Naga_emerging_from_mouth_of_Makara.jpg Naga 3]

--[[User:Knockturnal|Knockturnal]] ([[User talk:Knockturnal|talk]]) 16:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

== New Form Design Origins ==

I know there is already a ton of discussions about Zygarde's design in this talk section, (this topic can be merged with an already existing one if that's easier) but am I right in assuming that the 3 non-cellular forms are based on the children of Loki (with the giant Angrboða as the mother) in Norse mythology? The 10% form is like the wolf Fenrir, the 'standard' 50% form is based on the world serpent Jörmungandr and the perfect form is akin to the giant Hel.

I have no idea if the DNA cell motif is anything to do with mythology as it is to do with simply being an unknown game mechanic. I don't know anything that could possibly relate to it other then that Loki was a shape shifter (I think he transformed into 5 different forms excluding his true appearance, though this is a stretch)? '''~''' [[User:Evacino|Evacino]] ([[User talk:Evacino|talk]]) 02:05, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Zygarde 10% forme could've also been Garmr, Hel's dog, but Fenrir is more appropriate. And by the way, Zygarde is really apt with the concept of Hel, being the Pokémon of Balance, Hel is usually depicted with half of her body alive and half a corpse, similar to life and death. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Perfect is nw Complete ==

Its not Perfect Forme, but Zygard Complete Forme. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 15:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:The news has only been out an hour or so, the staff will get around to it when they're online I'm sure. --[[User:S2daam|--samm :D]] 15:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

== Flatworm ==

With the introduction of Zygarde Core and Cell, it seems likely to me that both of them, in addition to 50% Forme, are based on planarian flatworms, specifically the well-known (well, well-known for flatworms) triangular-headed kind. [[User:Zakitano|Zakitano]] ([[User talk:Zakitano|talk]]) 21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes. The Core and Cell formes may have also drawn inspiration from zygotes, cell formations.[[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 09:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% Stats ==

The Japanese Pokémon website has a bit more on Zygarde's 10% Forme. Height is 1.2 meters. Weight is 33.5 kilograms. And its type is Dragon/Ground.

Source: http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/anime-special/pokemon/ [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] ([[User talk:Goldchaos|talk]]) 06:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Zygarde 10% is in Pokémon Picross (via the leaked passwords). The game has the height/weight of the Pokémon in the game, but I'm not even close to were its stage is, so someone who has caught it check it out to put on the site please.[[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 21:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
:Oh wait, it's already there. Nevermind. [[User:TrainerX493|TrainerX493]] ([[User talk:TrainerX493|talk]]) 03:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

== Core and Cell Zygarde ==

Are we sure that the core and cell versions are actual forms? Judging from the descriptions, they just sound like part of Zygarde's anatomy. Perhaps Ash and friends will be taken a trip inside the body of Zygarde? If so, I don't think we should count cell and core Zygarde as forms. [[User:Carcharodon|Carcharodon]] ([[User talk:Carcharodon|talk]]) 18:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:They've appeared separately from Zygarde in the anime, so I doubt they won't appear separately in the games as well, even if they're not battle capable. Even if that were to occur, they should still be considered a form. {{unsigned|ArtistKyurem}}

== Potential Mortality Trio Learnset Comparison ==

In anticipation for Zygarde's addition to the Mortality Duo, I've added onto the existing learnset comparison from the [[Legendary Duo]] page.

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| colspan="4" style="background:#{{kalos color dark}}; color: #{{kalos color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}"| Moves in '''bold''' get {{color2|cf517e|Same-type attack bonus|STAB}}. Moves in ''italics'' do no damage.
|}{{-}}

This is only meant to be used once we receive official word of the "Mortality Trio" (or whatever it's officially called) existing. Once it is confirmed, this can be used on the trio's page.
--[[User:Pacack|Pacack]] ([[User talk:Pacack|talk]]) 19:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

== Dugesia? ==

I guess it's obvious, but I believe Zygarde's Cell Form is based on the Dugesia (a name I didn't know until today). Shouldn't that be added to the trivia?
Also, I think it could be added to the trivia that Zygarde's 10% Form resembles a dobberman. [[User:Ratcicle Fan|Ratcicle Fan]] ([[User talk:Ratcicle Fan|talk]]) 20:47, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Mistake with a picture caption ==

The "In the anime" section, the picture with the caption that says "Zygarde Cell in the anime" should be corrected to "Zygarde Core in the anime".

Also, someone should mention that Zygarde 10% made it's debut in XY094 and get a picture of it as well. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 06:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
:Also noticed this error earlier as well. I thought I was the only one who knew about this. The error was a bit diffcult to spot, I'd have to admit. [[User:KoiFish|KoiFish]] ([[User talk:KoiFish|talk]]) 06:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde 10% form origin ==

I would like to add that Zygarde 10% form is based on a Doberman Pinscher on a leash. However, the page is locked. Could someone please unlock the page and add that info in (if this is necessary/accurate info)?[[User:Leafeon6954|Leafeon6954]] ([[User talk:Leafeon6954|talk]]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Axis Trivia ==

I was wondering if this is a viable piece of trivia:
Xerxes is a land creature and the X coordinate is the horizontal one. Yveltal can fly and the Y axis is the vertical coordinate. Zygarde can burrow and the Z coordinate represents depth. --[[User:AbsolX|AbsolX]] ([[User talk:AbsolX|talk]]) 19:51, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
:The analogy you're trying to make is flawed a couple ways. Flying and burrowing are on the same axis, not different ones; one's up the axis, the other is down it. And land is more of a plane than a single axis/dimension, really. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Flag of Kalos? ==

In the origin section, there was reference to a flag of Kalos. I searched for it, and only a fanmade one seems to exist. As such, I changed the sentence to refer to the flag of France instead.

If I am mistaken, please show me evidence of the flag of Kalos and revert the edit. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 21:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

== Biology Section ==

I have made a sizeable contribution to the biology section of this page. It is lengthy, but details the appearance of all Zygarde's formes. If anyone sees an issue with this edit, grammatical or otherwise, please correct it. If you can condense the information without lessening the content of the article, please also do so.

Thanks! [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 00:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's head ==

Okay not 100% sure if this is is worth putting here but I figured better safe than sorry. Anyway the article says the part of Complete Formes's body that's on top of the round part is a protrusion but I think it's actually the head. The reason is because all of the puzzles in Pokémon Picross are headshots and the on for Zygarde Complete Forme doesn't show the round portion of it's body it shows the part on top. I think that really points towards it being the head. {{unsigned|Flain}}
:You're right, and I'd go as far to say that the round part is '''definitely''' its chest and that the "protrusion" is '''definitely''' its head and that someone would have to be psychotic to think of it any other way. The "protrusion" is clearly a head. The arms come off of the round thing, it is clearly a chest. The protrusion has glowing white eyes, while the chest has green eye-like markings. To argue this would be like arguing that Masquerein's wings are actually its eyes. Saying that, I'm not willing to be the one to change it because my edits tend to get reverted in seconds. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::While writing the biology section, I was unsure whether to classify the crown or the rounded section as the head because of this image:

::http://anime-attack.com/cdn/assets/img/animes/image/pokemon-xy-z.jpg

::In this, the "chest" opens and reveals that its jagged center is akin to a mouth. Because of this, and because crowns traditionally rest upon heads, I opted for more ambiguous wording. However, because I seem to be outnumbered three to one (another person edited the page already), I will change the wording to note this ability while maintaining the position that the protrusion is the head. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:37, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

:Because the the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
::"The gods" is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses. It is a term used often, and can be seen in action here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Norse_gods_and_goddesses#Major_gods], here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Olympians], and here [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gods_and_goddesses].
::The majority of the text from the origin section of the article is paraphrased from the wikipedia articles. You will note that wikipedia uses the term "the gods" in the Fenrir article as well [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenrir]. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 15:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Because the plural "gods" can also be gender-neutral.": Deities is more technically correct in this instance.

"'The gods' is a collective term which refers to both gods and goddesses.": Once again deities is more technically correct in this instance.

Well Wikipedia is not being technically correct in all instances relating to what is a deity, what is a god and what is a goddess.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:40, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
:For all practical and/or common purposes, anywhere deity can be used, so can god, without changing ''anything''. (The only exception is something like Wikipedia's {{wp|God}} article, where simply using "god" can get confusing and "deity" can provide a ''useful'' distinction.)
:Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong. In my view, this is a pretty fundamental concept—which also makes it perversely difficult to "explain". So instead, I'm just going to let you figure out a way to accept it, if you can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:49, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Your apparent belief that "god" always carries a gender connotation is, very simply: wrong.": How so?
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::How not?
:::It comes down to this: you tried to change this line before: ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''
:::The question is: does "gods" have a gender connotation there?
:::And the (right) answer is simply: No.
:::If you want to try to explain why ''you're'' right or why ''I'm'' wrong, feel free. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::"''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."''": Where are you quoting this phrase from?
::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 07:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::This page, where you [[Special:Diff/2377543|tried]] to change it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::::::As I have stated before in terms of technical correctness Deity(singular)/Deities(plural) is more accurate.
::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 08:52, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 08:59, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::"You did mention something like that above, but frankly, you have completely failed to explain it in any way, whether what makes it more accurate or what about god is inaccurate.": I have. Deity=Gender Neutral. God=Masculine. Goddess=Feminine. Does that make sense?
::::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 09:09, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::While that is an explanation, it is also wrong. "God" is not always masculine. As I said above: that is, very simply: WRONG.
:::::::::In the line from above that you previously tried to change, ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."'', "gods" is not masculine, it is gender-neutral, just like "deities" would be. "Deities" is not better, techically or otherwise. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:28, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::"While that is an explanation, it is also wrong.": How so?
::::::::::"'God' is not always masculine.": Explain.
::::::::::"In the line from above that you previously tried to change, ''"In Norse mythology, Fenrir is a monstrous wolf which was foretold to bring the gods great trouble and harm."'', "gods" is not masculine, it is gender-neutral, just like "deities" would be.": I get that but I also think that it is not the most precise or accurate use of the term.
::::::::::"'Deities' is not better, technically or otherwise.": How so?
::::::::::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 10:04, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Jdogno4, I am ''not'' a mind reader. You cannot just ask things like "How so?" and "Explain.". I cannot guess what it is you don't understand.
:::::::::::Now... If you get that "gods" in that context was gender-neutral, then it's pretty clear you're just clinging hard to some contradictory notions. You plainly think deities is better because it's always gender-neutral, but that is NOT good logic. If "gods" is already gender-neutral, it ''does not'' need to be changed, it's already perfectly understandable. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:27, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"Jdogno4, I am ''not'' a mind reader. You cannot just ask things like 'How so?' and 'Explain.'. I cannot guess what it is you don't understand.": I am asking you to explain your arguments if you are capable of doing so.

"Now... If you get that "gods" in that context was gender-neutral, then it's pretty clear you're just clinging hard to some contradictory notions.": I get that it was meant to be used in a gender-neutral context but I do not believe it was correctly used. What do you mean by contradictory notions? "You plainly think deities is better because it's always gender-neutral, but that is NOT good logic.": How is that not good logic? "If 'gods' is already gender-neutral, it ''does not'' need to be changed, it's already perfectly understandable.": It does for the fact that despite being used in a gender neutral fashion it is technically male gendered. Given the fact that it is used to mean both male deities (technically correct) and all deities at the same time (technically incorrect) it is not perfectly understandable.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 21:46, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:Let me just check one thing, Jdogno4.
:Do you think it is ever correct to use "gods" to mean all deities (gender neutrally)? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:22, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

::"Do you think it is ever correct to use "gods" to mean all deities (gender neutrally)?": No I do not.
::[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 22:44, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:::You are wrong.
:::There should be plenty of examples all around in the (English-speaking) world to show this. For starters, I might recommend checking various dictionaries (yes, more than one). You're welcome to look about for some of that and consider it by yourself. I leave you to that. It's not at all worth my time to try to change your mind on something so fundamental. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

"You are wrong.": How so?

"There should be plenty of examples all around in the (English-speaking) world to show this.": For instance?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 23:29, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Since you have made at least 20 edits since 23:29, 9 February 2016 (UTC), but none here I am assuming you have lost interest in backing up your argument.

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 05:29, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
:Just because I won't engage with you further does not mean you are correct. If it did, that would mean many, many arguments would be doomed to continue FOREVER.
:You are wrong.
:Many people have told you this.
:If you cannot accept it or understand it, that is, frankly, your problem at this point.
:Let me emphasize: no matter what, (please) DO NOT try to change "god" to "deity" anywhere. Thank you. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:39, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== Red Zygarde Core's Pokédex entries ==

I'm trying to post the Pokédex entries for [[Puni-chan]], but I can't figure out how to change it so it says '''Red Zygarde Core''' instead of '''Zygarde'''. Here's what I have so far.

{{Animedexheader|Kalos}}
{{Animedexbody|XY094|Zygarde|Ash's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexbody|XY094|Zygarde|Serena's Pokédex|{{tt|No data.|translation from Japanese sub}}}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''XY''|Kalos}}

If someone can fix this, I'd really appreciate it. --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 23:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

== Cell Form and Core form height. ==

While watching Pokemon XY and Z on kissanime, I noticed that zygarde's cell and core form's height isn't mentioned.
But examining Zygarde or Squishy, I realized that Zygarde's core form is as tall as a Dedenne. That would be 0'08. Now its height hasn't been officially reviewed, but if the anime shows that Zygarde and Dedenne are the same height, then Zygarde core is 0'08".
This is more of speculation, but it looks like Zygarde's cells would be as tall as a Pikachu 1'08
[[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 20:21, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
:Pokemon heights vary all the time in the anime. For example, Ash's Charizard is huge compared to its in-game Pokédex entry height, and Ash's is small for a Charizard in the anime. Basically, you can't use anime height to determine game height. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:24, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

::That is true,but I think that'll itll help add them in the [[List of Pokémon by height]] and until its official I think we could propose an estimated height.
::Also, may we add artwork of Blue core Zygarde
::[[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 21:26, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Either heights (or weight or any other such stats) are to be taken from official sources, or we will not list ''any'' height. We do not "estimate"—do not ''make up''—these things. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:29, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

== No Pokémon Z version? ==

With the recent announcement of Sun and Moon, does that mean Zygarde's alternate forms are exclusive to the Pokémon animé? If so, we should probably take out any mention of those forms in the main article.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] ([[User talk:Pokencyclopedia|talk]]) 13:04, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

:Just because new forms debut in the anime does not mean they'll never be in a game, who knows they could be in Sun and Moon when more info comes.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]13:06, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

== should it be mentioned that Zygarde 10% is Dragon type in Shuffle ==

Zygarde 10% was recently added to Pokemon Shuffle with the Dragon typing. should it be mention on the article in some way? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 10:55, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
:never mind, i wasn't aware it was confirmed the new forms keep its dragon/ground typing[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 11:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

== Loki and Tsuchinoko? ==

I just edited the origin section and I couldn't find much evidence to support the idea that Zygarde Complete is based off of Loki; everything points to Hel. As such I removed the references to Loki as a possible reference. However, I would more than happily add it back in if anyone objects - just give me a couple places to source which link Zygarde to Loki in some sort of concrete way. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:43, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
:Likewise, I found little to no link between Zygarde Cell/Core and the Tsuchinoko, so I removed reference to it in the origin section. If anyone seriously disagrees, please explain why and give some sort of information which links the Tsuchinoko to Zygarde more concretely. :) [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 03:41, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

:::Well I'd like to expand on the Loki part, as Zygarde in total is able to change between multiple forms similiarly Loki is commonly known to have shapeshifted to do his trickery and the like. The part with Tsuchinoko is the core and cell's body structure being similar to it, being a larger middle portion with a thinner head and tail.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]09:07, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

::::I think it might be based on Beast Boy from Teen Titans. Like Beast Boy, it changes shape, and is green in all of its formes. Beast Boy's body-shape in Teen Titans Go has a larger head with a smaller body, like 10% and Core formes. Furthermore, Beast Boy is an environmentalist, much like how Zygarde protects the balance of the ecosystem. Finally, both Beast Boy and Zygarde have a seldom seen "final form", with Beast Boy having a mutant werewolf form that only appeared twice, and Zygarde having 100% forme that has thusfar only appeared in dreams. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 20:34, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::If you are trying to be sarcastic, I'm not sure it is helping. :/ ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 20:51, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

== Sköll and Hati ==

Should it be noted that 10% might be a general be based on Sköll and/or Hati, most particularly Sköll who chases the sun. The cores uses photosynthesis to get energy, so there is some correlation.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

== Excessive origin section ==

Everything I have to say has been said in edit summaries, so I'll just copy-paste them here for the record:
* 09:13, May 4, 2016‎ Gymnotide (Talk | contribs)‎ . . (23,866 bytes) (-634)‎ . . (→‎Origin: Some very unnecessary details that were reaching extremely hard by someone who just wanted to show off their mythology knowledge. Trimmed it down a little bit. Also, the pattern does not resemble DNA sugars at all.)
* 10:03, May 4, 2016‎ Animaltamer7 (Talk | contribs)‎ . . (24,500 bytes) (+634)‎ . . (Undo revision 2437284 by Gymnotide (talk) the info would help for those who don't even know about those certain myths)
* 13:55, May 4, 2016‎ Pumpkinking0192 (Talk | contribs)‎ . . (23,922 bytes) (-578)‎ . . (→‎Origin: No, this is definitely way overwritten, and honestly the DNA thing is a bit ridiculous. Origin sections are (or should be) for explaining the ACTUAL likely origin of a Pokemon, not for adding in every tenuously-related detail possible.)
* 20:56, May 4, 2016‎ Animaltamer7 (Talk | contribs)‎ . . (24,500 bytes) (+578)‎ . . (Undo revision 2437344 by Pumpkinking0192 (talk) Discuss on the talkpage first so this doesn't become an edit war)
To boil it down: The DNA thing is completely out of nowhere and should be removed outright, and everything else is written in far too excessive detail. We should be breaking down the things that are most relevant to Zygarde and most likely to be what the developers had in mind, not every little tidbit somebody can claim is a minor connection.

I also find it ''extremely'' funny that Animaltamer7 is telling others to go to the talk page to avoid an edit war when ''they'' are the one repeatedly reverting in the first place. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:15, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
:I saw the edits in recent changes, and looking at the added content, some of those additions are a bit strange, for instance:
<pre>
The patterns spread across Zygarde 50% Forme's body are similar to ribose and deoxyribose molecules.
</pre>
:The artwork for the 50% forme only shows hexagons. To state they are similar to those molecules is inaccurate and possibly over-speculation, because the ''molecule'' itself is 3-dimensional (the {{wp|Haworth projection}} is a simplified 2D representation), and most (if not all) sugar molecules represented in the Haworth projection will have the hexagon present. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 03:46, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

::That's because if you think about it that Zygarde represents balance between Xerneas (life) and Yveltal (death). The ribose and deoxyribose are what makes up anything that is alive or dead. Also Pumpkinking I was just making sure that once the discussion is settled the origin section can be change to how we agree on this.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]04:10, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
:::I am sorry, but I think the connection is still not immediately clear. Why can't the hexagon(s) represent carbon (cyclohexane), which is also something that makes up everything alive or dead? Also, I think the hexagons' link to ribose and deoxyribose are sufficiently strong only if it's supported by the fact that the tail indeed represents base pair codons. I question the relevance of the tail to base pair codons because there are 5 of them, while DNA has only 4 known nucleotides. Yes, I concede that it is possible for the 5th tail "protrusion" to represent uracil used in RNA, but that seems to be pushing it too far. As of now, three editors (including myself) take issue with the content in one way or another.
:::For future reference:
:::*The part about DNA was added in Oct 2013: [[Special:Diff/1997681]]
:::*Other content pertaining to possible mythological origins/inspirations added in Nov 2015: [[Special:Diff/2356983]]. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 06:59, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
::::I would just like to point out that the DNA portion is removed now. I wanted to point this out because it honestly sounds like this discussion is about trying to remove it. As it is, I think the origin portion of this page is fine. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 08:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

::::Alright I'll concede with the DNA portion, but for these two statements:
::::"The red and blue markings on either side of Zygarde Complete Forme may represent Yveltal and Xerneas, as this Forme exceeds both of their powers."
::::The markings it is talking about are from the protrusions of the side of Complete Forme's arms no the chest pattern, with those being the markings that represent the two.
::::"...and its razor sharp teeth may be an allusion to Fenrir biting off the right hand of Týr"
::::10% Forme's sharp teeth has been mentioned quite a bit so it would be too far to include this.
::::Also the bit of the dragon/serpent that naws on the roots of Yggdrasill, should stay as Xerneas and Yveltal have a resemblance to two other creatures from the tree, which is another hint at them possibly being a trio (as quite alot of fans assume they are, myself included).[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]08:25, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::The point brought up by "The red and blue markings on either side of Zygarde Complete Forme may represent Yveltal and Xerneas, as this Forme exceeds both of their powers." has already been mentioned in the article:
:::::*"Zygarde Complete Forme is said to exceed both Xerneas and Yveltal in power..."
:::::*"The colors on Complete Forme's chest match the colors of the real-world flag of France... main colors of Xerneas and Yveltal"
:::::...unless the intention is to place emphasis on "represent", which I fear will lend undue weight to the theory that Zygarde is part of the hypothesised Mortality Trio. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 04:06, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::Alright point taken, unless the hypothesised trio is confirmed that statement won't be added. Since you didn't say anything about the razor sharp teeth info, can that be added back?[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]04:28, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Mythology is not my strong suit, so I don't really have an opinion on this. However, based on the edit history, the consensus seems to be that there is an issue with going into too much detail. It might be better to wait and see if the reverting editors, or any passing staff member, have any opinion on this matter. [[User:Chenzw|Chenzw]] ([[User talk:Chenzw|talk]]) 04:41, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
(resent indent) Agreed, besides I'm doing a Nuzlocke and there is going to be heavy mythological references relating to the Legends such as Zygarde.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]06:29, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
:I think the section is fine as it is for now. I don't think we need to call anymore attention to the "razor sharp teeth". It's could just have sharp teeth because it's a dog, and that's all. People are welcome to click the wikilinks and find out the backstory that way. I don't think we need to make any more adjustments unless someone has ideas that have not already been discussed. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 12:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

== Complete Zygarde's HP ==

From calculations using the HP in the most recent trailers, it can be deduced that Complete Zygarde's base HP is between 180 and 227. While its exact HP remains unconfirmed and thus shouldn't be added to the article, perhaps it's worth noting that Complete Zygarde is already guaranteed to have the highest stat from all Dragon and Ground types.
[[User:Jugol|Jugol]] ([[User talk:Jugol|talk]]) 14:19, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
:No. 1) It can change. 2) It won't kill anyone to wait. 3) It could also turn out that something ''else'' will be introduced that beats it out anyway. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:28, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

== "Introduced in Sun and Moon" ==

"Zygarde Cell, Zygarde Core, Zygarde 10% Forme, and Zygarde Complete Forme were announced in the October 2015 issue of CoroCoro magazine, and will be introduced in Pokémon Sun and Moon." - This sentence makes it sound like Zygarde Cell and Core will be in Sun and Moon, but only the latter 2 are confirmed.--[[User:Yami Wheeler|Yami Wheeler]] ([[User talk:Yami Wheeler|talk]]) 17:59, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
:I've corrected the sentence. Thanks. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:05, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

== Zygarde Sun & Moon Possible Trivia ==

I feel the trivia or origin section of this page should include the possibility that Zygarde's perfect forme is related to not only Yveltal and Xerneas, but also to Solgaleo and Lunala. This theory being based on the fact that in the "mouth" of the perfect forme's torso, we can see that there are 5 different colored hexagons in order, purple-blue-white-orange-red, which could very well reference that there are 5 cores with at least 4 of them referencing the color of Xerneas (blue), Yveltal (red), Solgaleo (orange), and Lunala (purple). What do you think?
:Bulbapedia is not the place for theories. It's far too early to say whether Zygarde's lore will be tied in with anything else in Sun/Moon. Unless it ends up ''explicitly'' related to Solgaleo/Lunala, I don't think anything like that will ever belong anywhere in the mainspace. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:25, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

== Abilities ==

Right now, they're displayed as Forme-exclusive. However, now that we know that isn't the case, since 50% Forme also has it, we don't know how Zygarde gets the Ability at all, only that it's wrong to show it as Forme-based. Could I suggest adding an "Unknown" section - just like Hidden Abilities are separated, just with the word Unknown rather than Hidden - for Swarm Change and removing the Forme headings from Abilities altogether? Just ''for now,'' at least, until we know something. It seems wrong to have them shown as Forme-based when the one thing we ''do'' know right now is that they aren't, so if an Unknown section is ''possible to add,'' I personally think that would be the best way of handling it.
If not, could ''something'' be done to indicate that 50% Forme also has it, at least? I see in the page history that it can't simply be added as an alternate Ability (like Shiftry's Chlorophyll or Early Bird), and that's completely understandable since we don't know that anyway, but right now, the page is outdated, so if we could at least mention it somewhere, I think that would help a lot. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 06:32, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
:Scratch that! The official site now lists it as an alternate Ability so I assume it's safe to include now. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 13:15, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

== Image and Ability Order ==
Is there a specific reason for the order of the images and the abilities in the main infobox on this page? I can understand having Zygarde 50% forme at the top (it being the first forme to debut in the games), but underneath that, the Complete Forme is on the left and the 10% forme is on the right. It would seem to me that on an English-speaking site that is read left to right, it'd make more sense the other way around (with the lower-numbered "base" forme on the left, and the higher-numbered forme that becomes available under specific conditions on the right. The image order is repeated in the ability section, and again I think it'd make more sense with the 10% and 100% formes switched, and the height and weight fields feature a variation on that where the 10% forme is underneath the other two, rather than the 100% forme that can be achieved by either of the other two formes being on the bottom, which I think would make more sense. Am I alone in thinking a change from the current order would be preferable? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 21:18, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
:I would second that. The current layout is somewhat awkward when reading from left to right. Ideally, I would say that 10% Forme should be on the leftmost side, and Complete Forme should be on the rightmost. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 14:35, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

== Is the page protected or something? ==

I can't find the usual 'Edit' button all over the page. Is it protected? There is something I'd like to add in the 'Origin' section.
[[User:PkmnTrainerV|The legendary PkmnTrainerV is Here!]] ([[User talk:PkmnTrainerV|talk]]) 11:10, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:It is not protected for non-autoconfirmed users, what do you want to add? Also don't respond to comments over 6 months old as those conversations are most likely not relevant or have already been resolved. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 11:26, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Well, I wanted to add that Zygarde's hexagons may be based on the fact that France, the region which Kalos is based on, is also called L'hexagon [meaning, the hexagon].
[[User:PkmnTrainerV|The legendary PkmnTrainerV is Here!]] ([[User talk:PkmnTrainerV|talk]]) 11:14, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

== Zygarde Cube ==

Information regarding the moves able to teach to Zygarde via the Zygarde Cube, once located the cores, is missing

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Island
!Location
!Move Taught
|-
|Melemele Island
|Route 1
|Extreme Speed
|-
|Melemele Island
|Iki Town
|Thousand Arrows
|-
|Akala Island
|Konikoni City
|Dragon Dance
|-
|Ula'ula Island
|Route 17
|Thousand Waves
|-
|Poni Island
|Ancient Poni Path
|Core Enforcer
|}

[[User:Apps1028|Apps1028]] ([[User talk:Apps1028|talk]]) 21:47, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== Trio ==

Comon, How can you include Mohn as Lillies Dad on Mohns page despite it not being declared officially, just hinted at, and yet not include Zygarde as part of a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal, which it so painfully obviously is. Specially after it's 100% Entry.
Zygarde is the Third Member, just add it, you don't need to wait for "Official confirmation", it's included in the cards as a trio, in side games, IT IS A TRIO {{unsigned|EvilCilan}}
:Although I may not agree with how you say it, I agree that there should be a point where common sense trumps "official confirmation" or "we need a reason, not just them being linked together". With a lot of duos or trios, we just ''know'' they are linked, we don't need ''direct evidence'', which I would like to add, is there. And the Mohn thing just adds to the ridiculousness of the situation. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 22:37, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
:Also, just a notice, please sign your messages with four tildes, like <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 22:43, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
::Mohn being Lillie's father was explained on [[Talk:Mohn|his talk page]]. He discovered the Ultra Wormhole, Gladion said his dad discovered the Ultra Wormhole. Put two and two together.
::We can't just assume that it's a third member, even when it keeps getting grouped with the others, what if Game Freak decides that no, Zygarde, Yveltal, and Xerneas do not make a trio. It doesn't seem likely, but with all the changes this franchise has had, you just never know.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:27, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Although I for one do believe the three of them as a trio, ForceFire is right that the franchies just keeps changing, it could eventually outright say they are a trio or that they'll just keeping leaving these hints.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]10:09, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
:::I believe what EvilCilan was trying to say was, even though one could logically assume that Mohn is the father of Lillie and Gladion given the evidence, it hasn't been explicitly stated, just like how one could logically assume Zygarde is the third member of the trio, given the evidence. Or I could be wrong, EvilCilan might just think that Mohn is not the father. I dunno. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 12:46, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
::::I don't think the two can be compared. Mohn "discovered" the wormholes, so he must be the first one to do so (or else the word is misused). Unless the developers/games dictate that one of the two statements are false, then both must be true to make sense. On the other hand, Zygarde's case is different. There weren't any outright references to a "trio". If an NPC says that "Yveltal, Xerneas, and one other Pokemon makes a trio" AND "Zygarde was part of some sort of trio in Kalos", then you can put them in a trio. Unlike Mohn's case, we never got any factual statements about a trio. You can make a logical and factual conclusion based on two statements (Mohn), but you can't do the same for assumptions (Zygarde). The most we can derive from the hints is that Zygarde is related to the two. It's frustrating, I know. But I agree that we should wait for Gamefreak to confirm it. We probably would have gotten confirmation if we got Pokemon Z, but meh. No use talking about "ifs". [[User:Sucoleo|Sucoleo]] ([[User talk:Sucoleo|talk]]) 15:57, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::[[SS036]]? Not really a good evidence i guess? -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 16:30, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::Could you tell us what happens here? The article has no info and I would like to have as much evidence as possible. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 16:38, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::Thank you for mentioning this episode! After watching the sub I believe it is the final piece to the puzzle as it not only shows that Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde are linked, but it explains ''how'' they are linked! I am writing some paragraphs on why Zygarde is a member of the trio, and will for sure add this. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 22:36, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

That's exactly what I mean [[User:EvilCilan|EvilCilan]] ([[User talk:EvilCilan|talk]]) 15:12, 16 December 2016 (UTC)EvilCilan
:Please do not resign unsigned comments - it causes an incorrect timestamp. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 15:27, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

== Revisiting Zygarde's place in the Mortality Duo/Trio ==

This may be an issue that I've been discussing too much but I feel ''very'' strongly about it and believe that Zygarde truly belongs in the Mortality Duo. Today I watched the sub of [[SS036]] and I believe that it contains sufficient evidence as to Zygarde's place in the duo - it not only shows that Zygarde is linked with Xerneas and Yveltal, but explains how/why.

The Legend of XYZ is exactly what it sounds like - it is a legend about Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde. The episode starts with Sycamore and Alexa discussing a legend in Kalos. The episode flashes back to the legend, where a character named Jan is planning to defeat the Pokemon Yveltal. As he is about to go and face it, it appears and uses a move (presumably Oblivion Wing) and turns Jan's girlfriend, Aira, to stone. Jan, in an attempt to revive Aira, searches for Xerneas. Xerneas, in its tree, is about to be burned by a ruler who believes that if it cannot bring wealth, then it has no value. But as the soldiers set fire to the tree, Zygarde appears and attacks (presumably Thousand Arrows). Sycamore's words on this scene is, "I think both Yveltal and Xerneas, they are manifestations of nature that are responsible for regulating order. And if the order is corrupted, Zygarde appears to fix that. These three are responsible for the caring of life." (all sic). Jan, after seeing all of this, writes three stories - one labeled with a large X, one labeled with a large Y, and one labeled with a large Z. '''Thus, Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde are linked by the "Legend of XYZ", the story of Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde.'''

I may have skipped over a few things in the episode, if anyone wants to add anything, feel free. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 23:23, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
:After rewatching the episode, it seems to me that the order Zygarde protects is specifically the order from Xerneas and Yveltal, as Zygarde attacks after Xerneas and Yveltal are angered. Even disregarding my speculation, is this episode enough evidence to add Zygarde to the Mortality Duo? --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 14:43, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== Zygarde Complete Forme's body style ==

Just a little thing. Zygarde Complete Forme's body style is bipedal tailed ([[File:Body06.png]]). I can't edit this page so I thought I'd let someone else do it =) [[User:WhosHaddady|WhosHaddady]] ([[User talk:WhosHaddady|talk]]) 16:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

== Possible Trivia (Complete Forme's HP stat) ==

Zygarde seems to be the only Pokémon that can undergo an in-battle form change whose HP stat changes. All others - [[Mega Evolution|Megas]], [[Primal Reversion|Primals]], [[Greninja (Pokémon)|Ash-Greninja]], [[Castform (Pokémon)|Castform]], [[Cherrim (Pokémon)|Cherrim]], [[Shaymin (Pokémon)|Shaymin]], [[Darmanitan (Pokémon)|Darmanitan]], [[Meloetta (Pokémon)|Meloetta]], [[Aegislash (Pokémon)|Aegislash]], [[Wishiwashi (Pokémon)|Wishiwashi]], and [[Minior (Pokémon)|Minior]] - have the same HP stat before and after their transformation. Could this be valid trivia for the page? [[User:ShermTank7272|ShermTank7272]] ([[User talk:ShermTank7272|talk]]) 00:48, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

== With the dub of SS036... ==

I'd say it's [[Talk:Legendary_trio#Gen_VI_Trio|pretty much confirmed]] that Zygarde is a part of a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal... Can any mods verify this? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:57, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

:And the fact all three plays a role in the story and ecosystem as mentioned in anime--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 16:18, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

== Editing ==

Is there a reason Zygarde is locked for editing but Xerneas is not? Mintshadow2 17:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
:It's available for editing, but only to {{bp|autoconfirmed}} users. Given that this was implemented in late 2015, I suspect it may be a leftover from the speculation crackdown when its alternate forms were first announced prior to the anime's XY&Z arc, but [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Zygarde_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&type=revision&diff=2356870&oldid=2350742 no specific justification was given], so I can't say for sure. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:14, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
::I thought it was because of the whole Aura trio thing that'd been going on for a few years, but either way. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:18, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

==Trivia==
I put something under the trivia about Zygarde being the only Pokémon with 2 signature abilities. It got removed because the Flabebe line also have 2 signature abilities. I purposely knew this at the time but they are not their signature abilities anymore as {{p|Comfey}} now has {{a|Flower Veil}} and {{p|Oranguru}} has {{a|Symbiosis}} (But cannot legally get it at the time of this comment). Can I ask why it was removed and if whoever removed it would like to have a friendly discussion why? Thanks. [[User:The IceCream|The IceCream]] ([[User talk:The IceCream|talk]]) 21:37, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
:Yeah, current vs. ever is a gray area with those, but I removed it because I feel like restricting it to current counts as a kind of exclusion, which is something that disqualifies trivia from notability. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 22:39, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Lon

2018-01-19T08:16:17Z

TJBexter: Created page with "So... apparently it's hinted earlier in the episode that he's a ghost, as he never has a shadow. Can someone confirm this?"

So... apparently it's hinted earlier in the episode that he's a ghost, as he never has a shadow. Can someone confirm this?

Talk:The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon

2018-01-10T04:55:12Z

TJBexter: /* Is Dr. Yung really "pure evil"? */

I will double check these tomorrow and add more. Just thought ide add a preliminary template. (Sunain)

How the heck did [[Dr. Yung]] know about {{p|Mewtwo}}?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 01:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:Assumidly, he saw Mewtwo offscreen while he was checking Pikachu's memories. After all, Pikachu still remembers Mewtwo Returns. He also must have seen Articuno and Zapdos offscreen, as he creates them, too. {{unsigned|PikamasterADV}}

== Corphish ==

[[Ash's Corphish]] doesn't even speak in either the [[dub]] or the original Japanese [[User:Livinlarge18|Livinlarge18]] 15:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Date ==

The episode aired in the US in April 29. How did it then later air in Japan? Shouldn't that come before the US dub? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[User:Jmath/Sandbox|'''th''']] 22:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:Not with this one. This was a special episode they produced just for the American fans (to replace the voices). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
::It was not made by the Japanese? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[User:Jmath/Sandbox|'''th''']] 22:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Actually, this special was produced by the Japanese. However, it was commissioned by Pokemon USA. So, they had the Japanese produce this special for them, and they also aired it in the US first (before bringing the special to Japan). Of course, several other Pokemon scenes have been commissioned for the dub before. For example, with Pokemon 4Ever, 4Kids commissioned the Japanese to produce additional scenes for the film. I believe they also did this with the Johto League Champions opening. ^^ --[[User:PokemonTrainerLisa|PokemonTrainerLisa]] 15:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Considering how the Japanese wrote the special, it's canon with the show/franchise, since anything that the Japanese creaters do (either Satoshi Tajiri or someone writing pokemon) with the series is canon. look it up in the Canon article on this site. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 18:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== Bullet Seed-capable Aggron - error? ==

How come Aggron knowning Bullet Seed is an error if it's a mirage Pokémon and not a "real" Pokémon? If Dr. Yung could change the DNA of the Pokémon and even create Pokémon himself, then this shouldn't count as an error. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't Max make note of this that they can't normally learn moves the mirage Pokémon knows. I've seen this special twice so I can't remember much of it.{{u|Laxafett}}13:57, 23 May 2009(UTC)
:Yung had programmed Mirage Pokemon to learn any move. Not an error. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== MMoP? ==
If this is the Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon, why isn't it abbreviated as MoMP? [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 23:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

:Where do you see this? I couldn't find it.[[User:Sambam124|Sam]][[User:Sambam124|bam]][[User:Sambam124|124]] 01:21, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

== Voices ==

Is it just me, or does, when viewed at [http://www.pokemon.com/us/ex/mewtwo/animation Pokemon.com], does the audio seem off? Is there a reason for this, and if so, will someone add that in? [[User:Sambam124|Sam]][[User:Sambam124|bam]][[User:Sambam124|124]] 01:26, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

:Found the info in the article [[The Pokémon Company International]]. Never mind! [[User:Sambam124|Sam]][[User:Sambam124|bam]][[User:Sambam124|124]] 01:51, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

== Team Rocket's blast-off==
I added a bullet in the Error section about Wobbuffet being heard but not seen when Team Rocket is blasted off by the Mirage Houndoom. I caught this error while watching the TV version on [http://www.pokemon.com/us/ex/mewtwo/animation Pokemon.com]. Does anyone know if this was fixed in the DVD version? Somehow I doubt it.
--[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWannaBeTheVeryBest]] 19:25, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

== Misty's Azurill ==

Why didn't Misty's Azurill appear in this special? Her Azurill travels with her all the time. This special took place after Ash entered the battle frontier and after May entered Pokémon contests, because her Squirtle was in this special. --[[User:Pborri|Pborri]] ([[User talk:Pborri|talk]]) 21:40, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
:She most likely left it at the Gym. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ101]] ([[User talk:Satoshi101|talk]]) 23:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

== Broadcast version credit list ==

I'd like an expert to verify this. Does Diane Stillwell's name show up in the credits along with "Billy Beach", "Michelle Knotz", "Rodger Parsons", "Bill Rogers", "Bill Regan", and "Jamie Peacock?" Or was it added for the redub? [[User:Rosebr10|Rosebr10]] ([[User talk:Rosebr10|talk]]) 00:05, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

== Timeline Error ==

This film was made for the US where it aired between [[AG136]] and [[AG137]], but Pikachu uses [[Volt Tackle]] at the end of the film, a move he's revealed to know in [[AG150]]. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 23:43, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
:Virtually all films/specials take place at a different point in the timeline than their release date. It's not notable. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:43, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

== Is Dr. Yung really "pure evil"? ==

His page compares him to other villains like Alva, calling him "pure evil". Yes, he's a dangerous sociopath, but after watching Mastermind of Mirage Pokemon again yesterday and the Volcanion movie a few weeks ago, I'd say he's nowhere near Alva's level of evil. Alva tortured like 90% of the cast one way or another, and tried to kamikaze his castle into Nebel Plateau with the intent to kill.

Also that blue Gengar bugs the crap out of me, especially because everyone else just seems to ignore it. Was that a way of admitting that Gengar needs a better Shiny?

[[User:TJBexter|All will fall to the mighty Shuckle.]] ([[User talk:TJBexter|talk]]) 04:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Talk:The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon

2018-01-10T04:53:39Z

TJBexter: /* Is Dr. Yung really "pure evil"? */ new section

I will double check these tomorrow and add more. Just thought ide add a preliminary template. (Sunain)

How the heck did [[Dr. Yung]] know about {{p|Mewtwo}}?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 01:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:Assumidly, he saw Mewtwo offscreen while he was checking Pikachu's memories. After all, Pikachu still remembers Mewtwo Returns. He also must have seen Articuno and Zapdos offscreen, as he creates them, too. {{unsigned|PikamasterADV}}

== Corphish ==

[[Ash's Corphish]] doesn't even speak in either the [[dub]] or the original Japanese [[User:Livinlarge18|Livinlarge18]] 15:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Date ==

The episode aired in the US in April 29. How did it then later air in Japan? Shouldn't that come before the US dub? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[User:Jmath/Sandbox|'''th''']] 22:26, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:Not with this one. This was a special episode they produced just for the American fans (to replace the voices). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
::It was not made by the Japanese? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[User:Jmath/Sandbox|'''th''']] 22:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Actually, this special was produced by the Japanese. However, it was commissioned by Pokemon USA. So, they had the Japanese produce this special for them, and they also aired it in the US first (before bringing the special to Japan). Of course, several other Pokemon scenes have been commissioned for the dub before. For example, with Pokemon 4Ever, 4Kids commissioned the Japanese to produce additional scenes for the film. I believe they also did this with the Johto League Champions opening. ^^ --[[User:PokemonTrainerLisa|PokemonTrainerLisa]] 15:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Considering how the Japanese wrote the special, it's canon with the show/franchise, since anything that the Japanese creaters do (either Satoshi Tajiri or someone writing pokemon) with the series is canon. look it up in the Canon article on this site. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 18:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== Bullet Seed-capable Aggron - error? ==

How come Aggron knowning Bullet Seed is an error if it's a mirage Pokémon and not a "real" Pokémon? If Dr. Yung could change the DNA of the Pokémon and even create Pokémon himself, then this shouldn't count as an error. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't Max make note of this that they can't normally learn moves the mirage Pokémon knows. I've seen this special twice so I can't remember much of it.{{u|Laxafett}}13:57, 23 May 2009(UTC)
:Yung had programmed Mirage Pokemon to learn any move. Not an error. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

== MMoP? ==
If this is the Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon, why isn't it abbreviated as MoMP? [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 23:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

:Where do you see this? I couldn't find it.[[User:Sambam124|Sam]][[User:Sambam124|bam]][[User:Sambam124|124]] 01:21, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

== Voices ==

Is it just me, or does, when viewed at [http://www.pokemon.com/us/ex/mewtwo/animation Pokemon.com], does the audio seem off? Is there a reason for this, and if so, will someone add that in? [[User:Sambam124|Sam]][[User:Sambam124|bam]][[User:Sambam124|124]] 01:26, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

:Found the info in the article [[The Pokémon Company International]]. Never mind! [[User:Sambam124|Sam]][[User:Sambam124|bam]][[User:Sambam124|124]] 01:51, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

== Team Rocket's blast-off==
I added a bullet in the Error section about Wobbuffet being heard but not seen when Team Rocket is blasted off by the Mirage Houndoom. I caught this error while watching the TV version on [http://www.pokemon.com/us/ex/mewtwo/animation Pokemon.com]. Does anyone know if this was fixed in the DVD version? Somehow I doubt it.
--[[User:IWannaBeTheVeryBest|IWannaBeTheVeryBest]] 19:25, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

== Misty's Azurill ==

Why didn't Misty's Azurill appear in this special? Her Azurill travels with her all the time. This special took place after Ash entered the battle frontier and after May entered Pokémon contests, because her Squirtle was in this special. --[[User:Pborri|Pborri]] ([[User talk:Pborri|talk]]) 21:40, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
:She most likely left it at the Gym. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ101]] ([[User talk:Satoshi101|talk]]) 23:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

== Broadcast version credit list ==

I'd like an expert to verify this. Does Diane Stillwell's name show up in the credits along with "Billy Beach", "Michelle Knotz", "Rodger Parsons", "Bill Rogers", "Bill Regan", and "Jamie Peacock?" Or was it added for the redub? [[User:Rosebr10|Rosebr10]] ([[User talk:Rosebr10|talk]]) 00:05, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

== Timeline Error ==

This film was made for the US where it aired between [[AG136]] and [[AG137]], but Pikachu uses [[Volt Tackle]] at the end of the film, a move he's revealed to know in [[AG150]]. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 23:43, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
:Virtually all films/specials take place at a different point in the timeline than their release date. It's not notable. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:43, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

== Is Dr. Yung really "pure evil"? ==

His page compares him to other villains like Alva, calling him "pure evil". Yes, he's a dangerous sociopath, but after watching Mastermind of Mirage Pokemon again yesterday and the Volcanion movie a few weeks ago, I'd say he's nowhere near Alva's level of evil. Alva tortured like 90% of the cast one way or another, and tried to kamikaze his castle into Nebel Plateau with the intent to kill.

Also that blue Gengar bugs the crap out of me, especially because everyone just seems to ignore it. Was that a way of admitting that Gengar needs a better Shiny?