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Talk:Froakie (Pokémon)

2013-01-30T04:34:13Z

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It's suggested that the name comes from Frog and Croak. While this is possible, it would be strange for it to not reference water in some way. Another possible pair of words for it to come from is Frog and Soak. The "ie" could be just a diminutive, of course. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] ([[User talk:Aielyn|talk]]) 00:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

== Design Origin ==

Shouldn't we add that it appears to be based on a tree frog?
--[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 01:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

:Or a poison dart frog? --[[User:Doggy567123|Doggy567123]] ([[User talk:Doggy567123|talk]]) 22:02, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I personally don't see that. Besides isn't that what Croagunk is based off of?
--[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 02:02, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I guess so, but, I've done a little research about them, and I think Froakie looks like one. --[[User:Doggy567123|Doggy567123]] ([[User talk:Doggy567123|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Croagunk is based off of a toad, not a frog [[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] - additionally all toads are poisonous. But I would agree that it should be included that Froakie resembles some sort of frog, but despite its resemblence to tree frogs and dart frogs I think it's too early to determine that exactly. For now, it should simply be said that "Froakie appears to be based on a blue frog." (and yes, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TOADS AND FROGS. [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 23:54, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Croagunk is based off of a poison dart frog, according to its origin on this site. Besides, we can never determine what the creator of the Pokemon used for inspiration, unless they explicitly tell us, so we just have to go with our best educated guess as a group. Assuming they did I halfway decent job with the design, we should be able to figure out what they were going for. Finally, I never said their wasn't a difference between frogs and toads (a primary one is toads are more land dwellers, while frogs prefer being in the water more), but, regardless, I do think Froakie is based on a frog (specifically of the tree variety), so I'm not arguing against you there.
--[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 00:43, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
:* I think the point was that it could be any frog. It could be based off of a bullfrog for all we know right now. Either that or I am misreading Doggy567123's comment as sarcasm. (also, I thought toads were "wartier" than most frogs or something like that; looking this up there are exceptions to the "wart" rule and the "prefers water to land" or "land to water" rule) Also, {{p|Croagunk}} '''maybe''' based off of a poison dart frog. But if you ask me, it is based off of one and the same with {{p|Toxicroak}}, though one of their abilities is {{a|Dry Skin}} and toads are associated with having drier skin, still many things can be argued about this and I'm digressing. Froakie looks like a frog-like amphibian, it could be based off of any species of frog or toad for all we know (guessing more frog because of the whole "water-type" thing, and it doesn't look like a {{wp|fire-bellied toad}}). ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 02:28, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

Froth (as in to bubble) could also be a possibility for the English name.
--[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 01:34, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Considering that the French name is partially derived from "mousse" and it would be odd to have a double animal name derivation rather than say an animal name and a water reference, I'll bet it really is "froth" + "croak" too
--[[User:Joec|Joec]] ([[User talk:Joec|talk]]) 20:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

:How about Frog + Soak/Croak + Soapy? [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] ([[User talk:AmaranthSparrow|talk]]) 21:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::How about "frost" + "croak"? [[User:Tano|Tano]] [[User talk:Tano]] 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::There has been no indication that Froakie is at all part ice type and I don't know why people come to this conclusion; its Japanese name doesn't even mention ice or cold of any kind. Until we see evolutions or possibly a moveset it is most likely not named after frost, sorry. - [[User:050294|050294]] ([[User talk:050294|talk]]) 18:43, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone else notice that Froakie's Japanese name, Keromatsu, sounds like Kermit, as in Kermit the Frog? {{unsigned|Personman42}}

Frog + Croak + ie suffix. The end. [[User:Scarabola|Scarabola]] ([[User talk:Scarabola|talk]]) 15:40, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm just pointing out that the German names of both Froakie and Fennekin have X and Y in them, a possible nod to Pokémon X and Y.
[[User:Dragontail|Dragontail]] ([[User talk:Dragontail|talk]]) 23:47, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

== Froakie's Possible Origins ==

Just posting this in the discussion in case people may have problems with this: Froakie's inspiration seems to be based upon a few factors, most notably its foam pouch is based upon various species of frogs whom create foam nests for their eggs to keep safe in. These foam nests are formed from the frog's behinds and, while creating them, eventually envelop the backs of the parent frogs, hence the backpack resemblance Froakie's foam pack has and why it is located upon its back. This seems to also match up with Froakie's japanese name, as it contains matsu which translates to bubble or foam. [http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/050294/_47199014_frognest_5121.jpg Here]'s an example image of a frog and its foam nest. Unfortunately, I am not quite sure which exact species of foam nest making frogs Froakie may have been based on.

Now then, onto the origin of the white round dots upon its face. These dots, coupled with the foam pouch and white glove-like markings it has seems to indicate that Froakie's possible origin is that of the image of Japanese folklore thieves and robbers, an example drawing of said thief/robber design can be seen [http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/050294/thief.jpg here]. The foam backpack of sorts upon Froakie resembles that of the thief's furoshiki, a japanese cloth bag seen on the image of said thief that they carry their loot in. The dots resemble the ends of another furoshiki tied upon the thief's nose, used as a mask of sorts to hide the thief's/robber's identities. The gloves are also simply a sort of thief/robber general stereotype as well. This seems to indicate that Froakie may posisbly end up as a dark type upon evoluton; this guessing of type, however, is just pure speculation on my part. - [[User:050294|050294]] ([[User talk:050294|talk]]) 00:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
:I think he looks a bit more... professorial than that. The little blobs look more like glasses than a knot. They're not attached to anything, for a start. Plus, I don't think many thieves wear white. I reckon they're meant to resemble pince-nez. Big, white, flowing hair on the back, like a professor, or a composer, or a judge. Could be wrong, though! You might be entirely right - and it's a great spot of research either way, fun read! [[User:Constantmotion|Constantmotion]] ([[User talk:Constantmotion|talk]]) 10:04, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::Actually the dots are "connected" to the pouch via the blue stripe upon its head which lead down its back. This I feel, for this specific Japanese robber image, is pretty fitting considering the openness of their furoshiki masks and perhaps the one stripe being the only connector may have simply been implemented just to emphasize this trait. Also, I wouldn't take color into origin consideration. Pokemon don't necessarily have to be matching the origin with color. Sometimes with specific references, like in delibird's case, correct colors are vital. However, most Pokemon are either colored in bright, odd colors or ones that match with it's typing: Froakie being blue not because of the thief origin but rather because of it's water typing, like how Heatmor is bright red like fire instead of normal anteater colors. Also, thank you for the compliment! I really enjoy analyzing things. So origins, or at least their speculations and research, are my specialty! - [[User:050294|050294]] ([[User talk:050294|talk]]) 14:28, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that stripe is just decoration, and Froakie is based off of Ben Franklin or another scientist. [[User:Dralcax|(O++O) Dralcax]] ([[User talk:Dralcax|talk]]) 18:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
:How does it resemble Ben Franklin or scientists at all? For one thing not all have white hair and the second thing is that the white extensions are based upon foam, not hair. With this same insane logic, one could say Swablu and Altaria somehow resemble scientists as well because of their fluffy white bodies, and that's just insane. Sorry, but unless an evolution's name has a scientist in it or any bit of scientist design inspiration than this origin claim is just incredibly ludicrous. - [[User:050294|050294]] ([[User talk:050294|talk]]) 19:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

It's too early to know what else Froakie was based on (besides a frog), I think his evolutions will help us figure it out, but so far I've seen everything from a burglar to a prince, and from a scientist to an aristocrat, and I don't think debating it will help, because at this point I can see where all of these are coming from, and without further information (like his evolutions), we aren't going to come to a conclusive answer.
--[[User:CoolDudeAl|CoolDudeAl]] ([[User talk:CoolDudeAl|talk]]) 00:50, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
:I believe the picture that resembles Froakie so much must be [http://ivn.us/history-unspun/files/2012/07/benjamin-franklin-series-pt-1-the-statesman-12395.jpg this one], given the glasses, hair and cravat represented by the foam. It's name also resembles "Franklin". [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 01:01, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

== Ability ==

If the gender rate is already put in as the norm for all starters, shouldn't the ability (torrent) be put in too? {{unsigned|Thesimplelife12345}}
:The gender rate is just there because there HAS to be a gender ratio, otherwise the template breaks. But we can exclude abilities without breaking the template. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
::Actually, you can set the gender ratio to 256 and it makes it appear as "Unknown". I have done so. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Aha! Thank you, Snorlax! [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 05:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== Choppiness of paragraph regarding its status as "first-introduced" of the generation ==

Am I the only one who finds that beginning a sentence... no, an entire paragraph, with "It- alongside ... blah blah blah- was the first... " gives the paragraph an excessively choppy flow?

Every time I encounter this sentence in the pages for all 3 Gen 6 Starters, I have to re-read it to understand what it's saying.

I'm a native English speaker/reader, so I think there is a legitimate issue here. I propose just saying "It was one of the first... ", because the list of other Pokémon that were introduced with it isn't particularly relevant to the individual Pokémon.

[[User:Stang|Stang]] ([[User talk:Stang|talk]]) 04:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

== Choppiness of paragraph regarding its status as "first-introduced" of the generation ==

Am I the only one who finds that beginning a sentence... no, an entire paragraph, with "It- alongside ... blah blah blah- was the first... " gives the paragraph an excessively choppy flow?

Every time I encounter this sentence in the pages for all 3 Gen 6 Starters, I have to re-read it to understand what it's saying.

I'm a native English speaker/reader, so I think there is a legitimate issue here. I propose just saying "It was one of the first... ", because the list of other Pokémon that were introduced with it isn't particularly relevant to the individual Pokémon.

[[User:Stang|Stang]] ([[User talk:Stang|talk]]) 04:34, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Froakie (Pokémon)

2013-01-30T04:33:10Z

Stang: /* Choppiness of paragraph regarding its status as "first-introduced" of the generation */ new section