Talk:Z-Move

2016-10-31T14:24:16Z

Splatterboy: /* Z-Move types */ new section

==Dutch name==
Could someone add the Dutch name Z-aanvalle? --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 14:12, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

== Pikachu and Eevee's Z-Moves ==

Today, they revealed that Pikachu and Eevee are getting their own Z-Moves. Can someone who is able to edit this page update it so it includes Pikachu's Catastropika and Eevee's Extreme Evoboost? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 21:03, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Could someone add <code><nowiki>[[Category:Z-Moves|*]]</nowiki></code>, please? (Or unprotect this?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 07:49, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

== Swedish name ==

Could someone add the Swedish name Z-attack? [https://indd.adobe.com/view/56287b29-1c87-4592-a65a-b1704c4d160d source] --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 10:14, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

EDIT: Also, could the same person add the Finnish name Z-liike? [https://indd.adobe.com/view/3251cb4e-76d7-41d4-b71d-17ccdf52b4f2 source] --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 10:49, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
:Also the czech name is in plural the singular form is útok. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 13:00, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
::Also the Hungarian name is in plural the singular form would be mozdulat. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 12:33, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

== Improvement suggestions ==

..or at least some food for thought I'd like to share:
* Terminology: (Z-)Crystals "upgrade" Z-Moves ({{DL|Z-Crystal|Electrium Z|1}}), Giga Impact "transforms" to Pulv. Pancake ([http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/exclusive-z-moves/ 2]), which is its "[Pokémon-]exclusive Z-Move" (2); the upgraded move is the "original move" ({{DL|Gigavolt Havoc (move)|Description|3}}). I'm not 100% sure, but I think I have not seen "<move> powers up [to <Z-Move>]", or "base move", "required move", or "signature Z-Move".
* Type Z-Crystal mechanic: we can apparently equip a held item to a Pokémon directly by "Use"-ing the Bag item, without removing any item from the Bag; this probably means that there will have to be a new mechanic for removing the held item from Pokémon without adding anything to the Bag (but we do not currently know that).
* Snorlium etc.: We/I know next to nothing about those. Technically, I guess we don't even no their Bag section, or whether they can be in the Bag at all (again, technically). But we do know that the Munchlax will hold a Snorlium Z ([http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pulverizing-snorlax/ 4]), so obviously a held item. (Given that there's no indication they'll distribute Bag Snorliums or have an in-game event, I think it's actually quite possible that those work different than the type Crystals, but more than Mega Stones — you may be able just to "Give"/"Take" them like regular held items; the wording's ambiguous, the corresponding Z-Ring item might then just be Normalium etc.)
* Z-Power: It might only be an ideological justification to only use Z-Moves once per game, and the name of the button in the battle screen. There may be more to it, though.
* Category/damage-dealing: We/I know Z-Moves are "powerful"/"of great power" (1, 2, 3), not necassarily physical or special, or damage-dealing. (I think it's actually quite possible Evoboost is a status move.)
** We/I don't know whether status moves can be upgraded/transformed to (type) Z-Moves. Maybe it's not possible ([http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/z-moves/ 4] says it's "''a'' move of the same type", not "''any'' move"); but I think it's still ''possible'' they'll all be physical Z-Moves with 80 power or something like that.
** (I think it's possible that the Z-Move's power depends on the original move's power, not the original move itself. It could be done by formula or lookup table, but it needn't.)
* Things one can maybe test, but maybe not in the Demo (due to weak Plumeria): Does using a Z-Move deplete the original move's PP? Can you use the Z-Move when the original move has run out of PP? (Is the current PP carried over at all, or just the max PP?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:01, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
:'''Terms''': Some of these are descriptions and you don't ''have'' to parrot all descriptions '''''exactly'''''. In particular, logically, the description of "upgrading" a move and a move "transforming" are contradictory terms (at least insofar as they describe the same thing, but don't use the same word). I (if no one else) will consider some of that a bit, though.
:'''Mechanic''': Um. What?? I'm really not sure what you're trying to talk about. But...you can equip and unequip Z-Crystals just fine.
:'''Snorlium Z''': Snorlium Z is a Z-Crystal, of course it'll be in the Z-Crystals pocket (and of course you'll be able to unequip it from Muchlax). And a Z-Crystal is set into a Z-Ring and "[http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/z-moves/ If a Pokémon holds the '''same variety''' of Z-Crystal, the two will be able to resonate with one another.]" If Snorlax is holding Snorlium Z, Normalium Z will not cut it. (Realistically, it'll probably be very difficult to have a Z-Crystal held but not in the Bag—but not impossible.)
:'''Z-Power''': I kind of want to give Z-Power a page. (Or it may fit here or something.) But we'll probably need to hear a good deal more first.
:'''Category''': I really don't know what you're trying to say here either.
:'''Other''': It's already on this page: Z-Moves do use the base move's PP. And the power and status moves' compatability and stuff, these are the sort of thing we simply need to wait for the games to come out to answer.
:(I may have skipped something in that wall of text... I.e., if something wasn't answered, feel free to repeat it.)
:[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:49, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
::'''Terms''': Not trying to.
::'''Mechanic''': I think you don't equip the item you select in your bag, but a held item of the same name (for the type ones). They multiply, create held items. (German description: "Wird bei Bedarf automatisch vervielfacht." Will be multiplied/duplicated when needed.)
::'''Snorlium''': I agree to the "of course", but we don't technically know. Your quote does not prove my "theory" wrong. I still think they're likely held items only.
::'''Z-Power''': Agree.
::'''Category''': Z-Moves could be status moves, and/or not do damage. The power and stuff is in brackets because we have no way to already know (but it's somewhat related to the other part).
::'''Other''': What's on the page is not what I asked for. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:26, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
:::If "draw upon" PP means more than just copy, then it is there. Sorry. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 20:33, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

== Z-Move types ==

can someone add types for the Z-Moves? or unprotect the page?

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