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Talk:Lorelei

2011-05-09T21:16:17Z

Spenfen: /* Trivia? */ new section

== Lorelei the Irish Street ==
Is the trivia note about a street in Bangor, Ireland really all that relevant. If the street was named after the character, then this trivia would be notable. However, it is almost 100% certain that street was named either after the rock in the Rhine known as Lorelei or Loreley, or else after the Rhine Maiden named after the rock. There could easily be many other streets with that name, and more likely, somewhere in Germany. The street name is irrelevant, and does not deserve a place in the trivia. If someone thinks otherwise, he or she can add it back in, but I'm removing it. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 22:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
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== Trivia ==

One of the Trivia items says that Lorelai is the only character to call an attack on another character in the in-game text. I could be wrong, but isn't there a moment in the GSC storyline where Lance orders his Dragonite to use Hyper Beam on a Rocket Grunt? I think it occurs in Mahogany Town, in the Rocket Hideout...

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Lorelai isn't the only one to do it...
:No, she isn't so I removed it. Also, please sign your comments (even though I' have no real authori-tah...) [[User:The Dark Fiddler|Rawr I say!]] 21:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== 3 syllables? ==

The way I pronounce Lorelei's name, there is only 2 syllables. "Loor-Lie." Is that the the reason 4Kids changed her name? Why couldn't they pronounce it like it seems like to me? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:Technically, it's never been outright proven that syllable count is the reason for the Lorelei/Prima mixup in the anime. 4Kids says that's the reason, but they've also tried to use {{p|Jynx}} as a scapegoat as to why [[EP250|the Ice Cave episode]] has yet to air in America despite having been dubbed with zero valid reason at all (nobody in their right mind would buy any of the racist baloney floating around), meaning 4Kids could have simply said the Lorelei/Prima issue was over syllable count for the sake of having a reason...

:Anyway, {{g|Puzzle League}}, which does use the correct name from the handheld games despite its anime basis, does indeed pronounce her name with three syllables. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:Silent E at the end of a word, not in the middle, generally speaking. Thus Loh-reh-lee. In English, if it had been intended as Loor-lee, it would have been spelled as Lorlei. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 02:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::I always thought it was Lor-eh-li. Isn't that how the name is usually spelled with real life people? '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 03:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

It says in the trivia that she is the only elite four to have their in-game home shown in the games. Do we consider Caitlin's Villa in Undella town her home? If so, this is not true. --[[User:Spenfen|SpenFen]] 21:16, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Nintendo Power

2011-02-26T22:32:41Z

Spenfen: /* Rating for Black and White */ new section

This is a work in progress as I flip through my stacks of old NP's for Pokémon stuff.{{Unsigned|Pidgeot018}}

== Covers ==

Here are a couple of covers, as it won't let me get into the archives: [http://www.nintendopower.com/images/NP243_cover.png Volume 243 cover], [http://www.nintendopower.com/images/NP242_cover.png Volume 242 cover], [http://www.nintendopower.com/images/NP241_cover.png Volume 241 cover], [http://www.nintendopower.com/images/NP240_cover.png Volume 240 cover]. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 20:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Additionally, [http://www.nintendopower.com/images/NP244_cover.png Volume 244 cover] –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 03:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Rating for Black and White ==

Black and White have received a rating of 9.0 out of 10. --[[User:Spenfen|SpenFen]] 22:32, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:S14

2011-02-12T16:03:31Z

Spenfen: /* Trivia? */ new section

==Move Request==
The name of this page should be what the dub decided the dub title is in the latest [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/TPCi_announces_numerous_upcoming_events press release], "Pokémon: Black and White". I'm not going to move it since I don't want any trouble. - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 13:15, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
:Since, the official site says Pokémon: Black & White! so we should stick on this one until further confirmation a.k.a premiere. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 15:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
::I guess you're right. Don't jump the gun until everything is sorted out. - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 18:51, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
==Dent, Pod, and Corn==
I understand why Corn isn't listed (Ash didn't beat him), but it was all just one gym battle, so imo, all three should be listed.--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 01:52, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

== Opening song. ==

I believe the opening song for this season is officially "Black and White". --[[User:Spenfen|SpenFen]] 15:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

Forgot to put this in the last section. Is it notable that this is the first opening to be animated in 3d, and also the first one without any humans? ----[[User:Spenfen|SpenFen]] 16:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:S14

2011-02-12T15:57:36Z

Spenfen: /* Opening song. */ new section

Talk:M13

2011-02-07T01:08:51Z

Spenfen: /* Error? */ new section

==Who is Z?==
Does anybody know here who this so-called ''Phantom Ruler Z'' is? [[User:Mamoswine Gliscor|MamoswineGliscor]] 02:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:No. The movie isn't even close to being out yet. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 02:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::It's a movie not a username. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Probably a Gen V Pokémon, knowing how the past three movies have released an initial title, and then later revealed a "new" (event) Pokémon from DPPt... considering there's no more right now... we may have the beginning of Gen V on our hands. However, no matter what I think, no speculation please. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
ok so it has been confirmed http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k188/y2kpikachu12/uyygjg.jpg this pokemon is pokemon z {{unsigned|Ayotui}}
:In case anyone is wondering, Zoroark is Z. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::Should that go in the article? Until it's confirmed(even though it's obvious) it's technically speculation.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 15:03, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It '''''is''''' confirmed. I think it should go in. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Is it just me or is Zorark totally Kickass
:It was never confirmed that ''Z''oroark is Z. ''That'' is still speculation. Obvious, yes. Confirmed, no.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:: It '''is''' confirmed. See the logo:
http://i48.tinypic.com/i1hc01.png
::[[User:Santer|Santer]] 15:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Z is probobly [[Zoroark]] considering [[Zoroark]] is the star of the movie & its name starts with a Z. ({{u|Munchy Lax}}) 20:49, 3 June 2010 (EST)
:::It was confirmed. Please also note the date the last comment was put in this discussion. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:52, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== How is there already ratings? ==
Especially for Australia?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, when were they confirmed? '''[[User:CuboneKing|Cubone]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]]''' ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) 04:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::I don't know if I can edit it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:56, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:::I can. '''[[User:CuboneKing|Cubone]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]]''' ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) 04:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Did I leave one in there? My bad. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia and Ho-oh ==

Is this the same movie that has the battle between Lugia and Ho-oh in it? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:Though Lugia and Ho-oh were not showed in this particular trailer, the image of them battling still remains on the official movie website, so yeah it's the same... Lugia and Ho-oh's roles just aren't known yet ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 14:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC))
So, why don't we list those two Pokémon, and take out that last trivia fact? They're going to be there; absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The teaser showed them, and that's that.--[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 23:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:I point to Palkia in movie 11. It was on the first poster and, oh look, not in the movie. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
::Well, being in the first poster is a bit different from being in first teaser, in my opinion. There were other movies which posters contained Pokémon that not participated in the movie itself. [[Jirachi: Wish Maker]] for example, with {{AP|Treecko}} and {{TP|Brock|Mudkip}}. However, it may be better to wait further information. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 16:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Either way, it'll be out in July. We'll find out more before then, but that's gonna be when our answer is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Come to think of it, there were loads of Pokémon on the Mewtwo Strikes Back poster that weren't in the movie. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 15:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I suspect that the two of them are going to appear in the opening sequence of the movie, like how most of the Legendaries have appeared in the introductions of the most recent movies.--[[User:Webspidrman|Webspidrman]] 03:10, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Diamond And Pearl? ==

Why Is This Classed As A Diamond And Pearl Series? Surely It Should Be In The Heart Gold And Soul Silver Series. Anyone Agree? After All The DP Trilogy Ended If I Remember Rightly! --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 16:29, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:No. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 16:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::No confirmation has been made about any new series, or about the DP series ending. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the DP series logo is used on the movie website. May I remind you that the Battle Frontier seasons were in the same series as the Hoenn seasons? I don't think it's likely they'll create a new series for HGSS. Possible, but not likely. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 16:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:::I highly, HIGHLY doubt they're creating a HGSS series; they're about to give DP a new opening theme! So yes, this will most definitely be a DP movie. (Also way to make my first reply look totally unhelpful, Buzz{{tt|.|...okay, so it was unhelpful, but still}} [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 16:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::::It's still the DP series, just like how AG didn't become a FRLG series or an Emerald series. We have a different colorscheme for Battle Frontier, LMM, and PRTOTS because it focuses on the Emerald features, so this has an HGSS colorscheme because it focuses on HGSS's features; likely Season 13 or 14 will, too. Undoubtedly, I'd say, we'll be having Movie 14 be in Johto as well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

so its considered to fall in the DPPt series until further notice, that's all to it from now on I suggest.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 10:58, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
:There is no "DPPt" series. There's the DP series. And it will continue to fall into that series until all eternity, unless they'll decide to start a new series, which is extremely unlikely. Conversation over. Stop talking about it. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 13:41, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
::It's not unlikely. It just won't happen until Gen V. HGSS is Gen IV. As long as Dawn's around, it will be DP. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
And why couldn't the anime have a hgss series? Original series - gen 1 and 2.Hoenn- gen 3 (ruby and saphire), the battle frontier - fire red and leaf green versions.Sinnoh - gen 4 (Diamond, pearl and platinium), and as hgss came out, the anime will probably follow ash's journey to Johto once more. {{unsigned|Tomas}}
:Oy. You just don't understand what we're talking about. We're not saying the anime won't follow HGSS, of course it will, just that those seasons will still fall into the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}, in the same way that the Battle Frontier seasons were still a part of the {{series|Advanced Generation}}. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Well yes, on my understanding they should fall into the DP series.--'''[[wp:Wikipedia|Wiki]]'''[[User:Tomas|''Tomas'']] 16:34, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

== actual name ==

its actually phantom champion Z, its the champion kanji not the ruler, please rename.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:27, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
:It can be translated as champion, but I chose the "ruler" translation instead so as not to cause confusion with the Pokemon League title of Champion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:42, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
No, its not what you think will be confused, bulbapedia should be a reliable source of info not one that goes with whatever we users want so some admin should change the name once and for all.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:55, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think you're getting this... Phantom Champion Z is not an "official" name either (It's the one I came up with and Serebii used actually lol... XD ) All three of the translations out there are just fine, and no one is better than the other... At this point we don't know enough about the story or the characters in it to make an accurate judgment of what the proper translation should be, so therefore it should stay "Phantom Ruler Z" until something is revealed that suggests otherwise, which might not even happen because it could be 100% accurate. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 14:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC))
All right, to either clear up or further confuse the issue, here's what those words are: 
幻影: a vision; a phantom; a ghost; a hallucination. Something that appears real but isn't. 
覇者: ruler; conqueror; winner; champion; titleholder. Either a monarch who rules by force, or the winner in a competition or contest. 
Judging from years past, whatever translation we choose, it will be inaccurate, and it will continue to be used long after better ones are available. --[[User:Murgatroyd|Murgatroyd]] 04:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
:Umm... I don't speak Japanese but I did find an online translator. It told me that "幻影の覇者ゾロアーク" means "Champion Zoroark of Illusion". [[User:Spenfen|Spenfen]] 23:18, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
::I do believe that actual people who speak Japanese (from this section: me and Yaminokame) ultimately trump online translators. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 23:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== How do we know his name is The Phantom? ==

I'm curious b/c I don't remember anyone saying anything.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 06:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:Uh what? If you're talking about that pirate guy, he was in movie 9. This likely has nothing to do with him... it's like how there've been ''several'' [[Jimmy|Jimmies]], but only one has encountered {{p|Raikou}}. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::No, someone added into the article something along the lines of "he is called the Phantom" but it's already been taken care of :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 10:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC))
:::Most likely got it from Serebii's jump-to-conclusion that "Meanwhile, Ash meets up with a Phantom Champion, a shadowed character whom looks identical to him." That's not fact yet, Joe.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 21:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon A and B...yet again ==

the title says it all, the mystery guessing game is back with the merchandise, A: New Pokemon A. B: New pokemon DP. thats the description of both, I would like some trusted admin to add the information if possible.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Ah yes, On feb 15 corocoro will provide a sample of info officially--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, that Pokémon A & B thing isn't really important because they are just names of the plush lines. ポケモンぬいぐるみDP (Pokémon Plush DP) and the newer line NEWポケモンぬいぐるみ (NEW Pokémon Plush), so I really don't see much sense in adding that information here :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 00:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC))

if such , so what's thhe difference between NEW pokemon and pokemon DP?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 09:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/pokemon/nuigurumi/newpokemon/index.html NEW Pokemon Plush] and [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/pokemon/nuigurumi/nuigurumi-dp/index.html Pokemon Plush DP] are just different names of the lines, I'm not really sure why they did it, they just did :/ [[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 10:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

==New Movie Pokémon==
[http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f299/PKIM82/13pb.jpg New merchandise] shows Lugia, Ho-oh and Mightyena. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:Should that image be added to the article?--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::No, that image will not be added. We need a full, high quality picture. (by: [[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|''95'']]) 10:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::Save it for beta article maybe. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 14:58, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::beta article for the movie? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Gen. V game. They might change something about this Pokémon before the release of the game or the movie. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 15:06, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

==Mismagius & Shuppet?==

In the latest scans from CoroCoro it showed {{AP|Pikachu}} and [[Dawn's Piplup|Piplup]] fighting a {{p|Shuppet}} and {{p|Mismagius}}. [[User:Roryrules123|Roryrules123]] 15:31 10 February 2010

== Zorua and Zororak ==

Should they be added to the Featured Pokémon and Pokémon sections? --[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 18:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]
:Well, seeing as they would be red links, i'm going to guess no. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:: i would refer you [[Template:Main Page/Message from the Editor|here]] —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 22:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Zoroark should at least be added. It's in the movie. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::: We might add to the trivia that this is the second time a featured Poké has been a non-legendary with a prevo that were introduced before a generation's release. Slightly signifigant. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 03:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I understand adding Zoroark, but did the Coro scan say that Zoroa would be in it as well?[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 16:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::: Apparently, since both Serebiinet and Bulbapedia say so. --[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 19:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]

Question, should Zororak be mentioned in the plot summery as being involved in someway? Reason being his name is in the TITLE for crying out loud, we can automatically say from that that Zororak will play a role in the plot can't we? --[[User:Superx|Superx]] 02:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

==English title==
Why is there an english title already up on this page, even if it's in invisibility tags? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 05:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:Rumored title I think. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 13:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Because if it's hidden, who cares? It's there because something should be. And because, der, this is just LMM redux. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 13:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

== Add debut section ==

I was just reading over the article, and I noticed that it doesn't have a debuts section for Zorua and Zoroark. Is this a mistake, or did I miss something and movies don't have debut sections? Spenfen
:The last one does't have a debut section but the one before that does so I'm assuming that this one doesn't have a debut section yet. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:: I think the debut section gets left off until we know all of the Pokémon that are going to debut. It seems highly likely that more Gen V Pokémon are going to be in the movie. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:18, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Answer to Who the "Dark" version of Ash in Trailer? ==

The name of the movie is Phantom Ruler(or Champion)Z and Zoroark is known as the Illusionary Fox Pokémon, right? Is it possible that Zoroark created an illusion of Ash and tries to take over as a ruler of some sort? Just a thought. {{unsigned|Legendary Catcher}}

:It is reasonable that Zoroark actually created the illusion of Dark/Evil Ash. --[[User:Icecreamy 1234|Icecreamy 1234]] 20:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::Please go to the forums for this... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Zorua ==

How do we know that Zoroua is in the movie and it is NOT mentioned? -[[User:?????|Full of Questions]] [[User talk:?????|Man.... I am.]]
:What do you mean? corocoro said that it was in the movie (ゾロアークの進化前の姿でもあるゾロアもスクリーンで一足先に大暴れ！) and it's on the page, I'm not sure what you're asking/wanting done? ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 04:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC))
::Did CoroCoro say that ''both'' Zoroark and Zoroua are in the movie, or ''only'' Zoroark? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, that Japanese quote clearly states that they will BOTH be in the movie. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 04:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Just making sure. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== Logo ==
[[File:Japanese Movie 13 Logo.png|thumb|right|The Japanese logo, containing Zoroark's name.]]

== Trivia worthy? ==

the movie will premiere on July 10, the legend of thunder part 2 aired on July 10 in the u.s. So yay or nay?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'd say 'Nay'. It is trivia but its not very interesting and I don't think it was on purpose. Oh and try to focus edits on the '''''main article''''' rather than trivia. Thank you. --'''[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]'''7 15:30, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Can someone change the trivia section? Technically the Legendary Beasts aren't in this movie or won't be until they are confirmed since the ones in the trailer are illusions.

== New poster for the M13 ==

This is a new poster from Movie13 "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 09:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
"[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 09:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Poster.png]]

:Here is the poster alone. Someone could go ahead and delete that previous picture.–'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 14:36, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Movie13poster1.png]]

The problem is.. there's still some text visible.. at the lower part of the image. hope someone can fix that "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 13:12, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== NEW INFO! ==

just got a link to some image from the movie!

http://www.filb.de/forum/showthread.php?t=3606 ([[User:Ataro|Hg/Ss come out already!]] 00:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC))

== Dark Ash IS indeed Zoroark ==

It's proven on the new official trailer. See it on Serebii - [[User:050294|050294]] 01:20, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:More like see it on Filb. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== About darker Ash ==

I have concluded something. In the latest trailer on Flib, Zoroark is shown transforming into Ash. However, the "Zoroark Ash" is not shadowed. I think it was just the shadow of the tree Zoroark was standing by. We should make sure there is no confusion there. [[User:Spenfen|Spenfen]] 01:40, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:Does it really matter? Please take it to the forums. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:44, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== Ninjask... ==

...is to be seen in the movie. Please add it. - [[User:050294|050294]] 05:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

We can add Ninjask because it resembles those of Zero's Magnet Family.. multiples "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 13:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== Another one ==

Another poster was shown from the Pokémon Sunday..

[[Image:M13 poster.jpg|thumb|The New Poster for M13]]

.. can we change the current pic.. ? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 13:44, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

[[:a:File:Ruler of Illusions Zoroark.png|Here]]. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

== Will Entei and Lugia talk? ==

They talked in the previous movies. Will they talk again in this one?

[[Dan Green]] Entei FTW. {{unsigned|Attack Kitty}}
:Entei only talked in the third movie because he was created by Molly's imagination and she wanted him to talk. But it's possible that Lugia could talk, but if this is the case then they'll probably have to make Ho-oh talk as well, otherwise they wouldn't be "equal". There's a been lots of talking Legendary Pokémon in movies lately, so who knows? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 21:53, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

::If any Pokémon is going to be talking, it's going to be {{p|Zoroark}}. Of course, this really should be moved to the forums! Thank You! :D --''' Zoroark!!! ''' '''[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]'''7 16:13, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== too early to add Zoroark and Zorua and Celebi? ==

In the voice actor list, we have the beasts, so is it too early to add them? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Midnight Blue}} ([[User talk:Midnight Blue|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Midnight Blue|contribs]]) ''

== Why is this page not updated? ==

Wow, the admins are slow, lol. The website Pokébeach has the plot somewhat revealed, all true as the info is from the official Pokemon website. Here it is:

Info (From the new trailer):

[[Ash]] and crew visit {{red link|Crown City}} to watch the Pokemon Backer World Cup. On their trip they meet a Pokemon named {{p|Zorua}}, who is searching for its companion; they decide to let it tag along so they can assist it. But a Pokemon named {{p|Zoroark}} - the "Ruler of Illusions" - is turning into {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, and {{p|Suicune}} and destroying Crown City! Also, {{p|Celebi}} returns after 20 years and gets into trouble. What is happening to Crown City? What could the Ruler of Illusion, Zoroark, be? And what about Celebi? Will Ash and {{AP|Pikachu}} be able to save the city and the Pokemon?

Characters:

Kodai (the evil-looking businessman) - He is the president of the giant corporation "Kodai Network." He is called the man who knows the future and is known for his ambition. 
Rioka - She is a cool and intelligent woman. She is Kodai's secretary. 
Kuroto - He is a newspaper reporter from Crown City. He is trying to discover Kodai's secret. 
Zorua - A Pokemon that meets up with Ash and friends as they head toward Crown City. Its specialty is turning into various things. 
Zoroark - A Pokemon with the ability to show illusions. It turns into Raikou, Entei, and Suicune to attack Crown City and drive the people into a panic.

As seen from the following information:
*The [[legendary beasts]] are actually Zoroark; they do not actually appear.
*The new character's indentities are revealed.
*Zoroark is revealed to be an antagonist, though the reason it is is unconfirmed.
*Zorua seems to be good, implying that Zoroark's antagonistic behavior may NOT be normal.
*Kodai seems to be after Celebi and is most likely an antagonist.

Not seen from that text:
*Zorua can {{m|transform}}, as seen in an added scene in the new trailer; it changed into a {{p|Piplup}}

Please, admins, add this vital info! - [[User:050294|050294]] 22:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

:Sheesh. ''Another'' illusion Entei? When are we ever going to see the real one? - {{unsigned|Attack Kitty}}
::The real Legendary Beasts could also appear; besides, Zoroark would have to have seen the real thing in order to take on their appearance. I hope the real ones are in it as well, it would be really disappointing if Raikou's first movie appearance was as an illusion, and it's about time we got to see a real Entei! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:26, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Eh... Copying other site's error all the time... This time PokeBeach. The characters name is '''Kurt''', not "Kuroto". If someone decides to start an article, then it will have to be titled as "Kurt (movie)" or something. But I'm completely AGAINST moving [[Kurt]] to "Kurt (Johto)" or something and making a disambig. The games' Kurt is too major to be disambiged with some random movie guy (movie CotDs are still CotDs). So, a headnote to [[Kurt]] article and the movie character page being titled "Kurt (movie)". But it's NOT "Kuroto". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
::::It's not just copying one other site. The official site for the movie has the same information as well. [[User:Spenfen|Spenfen]] 15:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
To [[User:Maxim|Maxim]] and [[User:Taromon777|Taromon]]: This information is DIRECTLY from the official Pokémon website so it IS true. If you read my entire post you'd see me say this. You can also go to the official site itself. - [[User:050294|050294]] 20:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:I'm NOT saying that the info is fake. I just said that the name is romanized wrong. It's Kurt, not "Kuroto". "Kuroto" is apparently an error made by WPM at PokeBeach. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:37, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
::When movie Kurt gets moved to his English name (assuming they don't keep it Kurt) we can kill the topbar from Kurt's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Cast update ==

Takanori Jin'nai (陣内孝則) has been revealed [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/news/#100416seiyu here] as playing the voice of Kōdai and Koichi Yamadera (山寺宏一) has been revealed as the voice actor for the character Goon (グーン). Not sure if this is a big enough role to add or not, but Shōko Nakagawa (中川翔子) is Ploof (or however people want to Romanize it) (プルーフ). Can someone please add (at least the first two because they are important characters) those to the 'Cast' chart?.. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 15:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
:I've made pages for Goon and Proof, so what remains is to add them to the cast chart. I also added a character called Joe to the template, but I didn't make a page for him because all that's known is that he has the Mightyena. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 02:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, I changed the above to coincide with "Goon" and "Proof". Also, if it helps at all, the person named "Joe" that was mentioned above is [http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9346/joehw.jpg this person] as shown in the latest trailer. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 02:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC))
:::Ah, that's him? Too bad there's not a better image of him, or I could make a page for him as well. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 04:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon List Update! ==

Hey guys (more specifically admins), these Pokémon should be added in the list (they were [http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq93/adyniz/vlcsnap-2010-04-17-15h23m31s246.png revealed] in the latest trailer).
:Abomasnow, Breloom, Cranidos, Doduo, Furret, Gabite, Garchomp, Grotle, Mamoswine, Nidoking, Nidorina, Nidorino, Piloswine, Rampardos, Raticate, Rattata, Rhyhorn, Rhyperior, Sentret, Skuntank, Snover, Stantler, Staravia, Stunky, Swinub, Teddiursa, Torterra, Ursaring, Vigoroth and Zigzagoon.
:Thank you. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 10:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think it's time to update the Pokémon list because the movie has been released already. Thank you. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 15:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Nevermind, I forgot about article un-protection. Anyway, I updated the list. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 16:02, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Can someone add something ==

TV Tokyo has stated the Diamond and Pearl series is going to conclude in the fall, so is it safe to put in the article that this is going to be the last Diamond and Pearl movie. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Grammar ==

The wording in the synopsis is a bit misleading, at first glace it looks like it says Zoroark is transforming into Raikou, Entei, Suicune, and Celebi. But the bit about Celebi is a seperate part of the sentence. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 19:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon ==
I see the some ninjask in the 3rd trailer and some Beautyfly in the 4th trailer. I also seen in this image [[File:CoroCoro March 2.jpg|300px]] a Missmagius and a Shuppet. Someone should to add them. [[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
:For clarification, it appears Mismagius and Shuppet are Kōdai's. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:05, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== Chinese (Taiwan) title ==

The title in Taiwanese Chinese is '''幻影之霸者索羅亞克'''. The meaning is the same as in Japanese. Can someone add it? [http://www.my-cartoon.com.tw/pokemon/2010movie.htm Official source]. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:48, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:Done. And it's "的", not "之". [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 04:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Cast ==
I'll just copy this from PocketMonsters:

''Koichi Yamadera (山寺宏一) has once again returned to play the part of Gūn (グーン) and Shōko Nakagawa (中川翔子) has returned for her 4th Pocket Monsters movie to play the parts of Proof (プルーフ). Also in attendance were Takanori Jin'nai (陣内孝則) who voices Kōdai (コーダイ), Katō Natsuki (加藤夏希) who voices Rioka and finally Takashi Tsukamoto (塚本高史) who voices Kurt (クルト). '' -- [[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 02:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

== Something to correct in the Trivia section ==

The part where it says "the first time Raikou gets a starring role in a movie" should be referring to ''theatrical'' movies, because of the Legend of Thunder series. (Or at least I think so. Feel free to say why not.)
The only reason I'm not changing it myself is because the page is protected. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 02:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:As far as I'm aware, ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'' is a TV special, as opposed to a full-blown movie. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, so it's not considered a movie here? I don't know, I got the terminology from another site, where they distinguish between theatrical movies and "TV movies", which you call TV specials. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, they're called TV Specials here, so this is the first time Raikou gets a starring role in a movie.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:59, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

==Mightyena==
Why is Mightyena still in comments at the Pokémon it is proved it will appear: http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/keyword/ 7th picture [[User:Bigtukker|Bigtukker]] 18:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon Baccer ==

Is a sport combining Basketball and Soccer. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 01:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
:And what does that have to do with anything?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== When does the movie take place? ==

The trivia states the movie takes place between [[DP183]] and [[DP184]], but that's impossible. During those episodes, the group is at the Sinnoh League. I say we delete that bit of trivia, and wait until later to see when exactly the movie takes place.--[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 23:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
::we should change it to "released between dp 183 and 184" instead of TAKE PLACE between the 2 episodes. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 09:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree.--[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 20:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
''bump'' But this doesn't answer the question of when the movie takes place. I'm saying between [[DP178]] and [[DP179]], because all the main characters' Pokémon are present, and they aren't in the middle of some sort of journey. It COULD happen between [[DP189]] and [[DP190]], but the movie premiered almost two months before that, making it unlikely. Opinions, anyone?--[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Long Live Pokémon! --Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 05:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:I think, movie's story line and regular episodes' story line are two different things. Like they never mentioned during [[DP152]] (galactic arc). ''Hey look it's Dialga & Palkia. They look kind of different than those which we saw in the Alamos town.''
:That's the only reason I can see here for premiering the movie in between {{tt|DP183 and 184|So, anime story line doesn't matters. I'm not talking about the entire cast but just storyline}}. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 06:01, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
::What we need to know is which Pokémon Ash, Dawn, Brock and Team Rocket had, and what moves they used. What we currently have is a few Pokémon used by the main characters, but surely that isn't all of them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:Dawn has her Togekiss, and Ash has his Infernape, but it doesn't do Fire Blitz--doesn't mean it doesn't know the move, but it COULD mean that. I'm still saying between DP178 and DP179, right before the movie premiered. Unless anybody can object to this, I'm putting that in the main article. --[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Long Live Pokémon! --Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 16:03, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::That doesn't prove it takes place in between those episodes. I can take place anytime between [[DP177]] and [[DP182]]. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 19:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== Pre-Order / Pre-Purchase Ticket Bonus? ==

So how exactly does the special bonus work? I heard you buy a colored ticket of either blue, red, or yellow and get that associated Legendary Beast. Can someone explain exactly how this works? Would it also work with an English version of the game or is it a Japanese exclusive? Any info on the Shiny Celebi that is also to come out during the movie? I'm in Japan for the next month and I'm trying to figure this stuff out so I can take advantage of it! Thanks in advanced! =) [[User:Stexe|Stexe]] 05:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Beasts ==
...confirmed in movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RcnpUO8Fd0

Watch carefully the clip of Zoroark blowing them away with Night Burst at just past one minute, and you can clearly see a Shiny Entei and a Shiny Raikou with a Shiny Suicune in the background. I do believe this marks the first appearance of Shiny Pokémon in a movie since Ash's Noctowl? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 04:38, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== Summary? ==

Why is the summary not updated? The movie is already out, or has no one here yet seen the movie? [[User:Spenfen|Spenfen]] 15:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:People have indeed seen it, just give them time. Not everybody has a lot of time on their hands.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:58, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== JUST UPDATE THE SUMMARY ==

ANYONE WHO SAW THAT MOVIE UPDATE THE SUMMARY
--VulcanFox 03:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:We don't seem to have any editors who have seen the movie, or if they have, any editors that are willing to write up a summary for it. Can't do it if we can't do it. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::Once Pokebeach posts a summary, I'll use that to update the summary here. Fair enough?--[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 01:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

:::stop being so impatient.... you can wait cant you? ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC))
::::No, that's stealing which is not allowed here. So, just wait for someone to post it him/herself. Thank you. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 12:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Just to clear things up, he didn't say he was using the "copy pasta" method. He said he'd use it to update the summary, so it isn't stealing. Now, at the same time, he shouldn't use it because it isn't technically an official source. I'm only saying this so people reading this won't get the wrong idea. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:08, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

== 14th Movie? ==

So, usually after each movie, there's a trailer for the next one, right? Has there been any information about the trailer after this one, yet? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 05:58, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:Apparently, {{p|Victini}} appeared and said "see you next year". --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:17, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

::You can find that trailer on the [http://pokemon-movie.jp Official Japanese Pokémon Site] ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 00:51, 5 November 2010 (UTC))

== English Title & Poster ==
It's about to hit the fan...

http://pokebeach.com/news/1010/master-of-illusions-zoroark.jpg

--[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 04:27, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

== Unusual ==

Looking at the poster indicates the movie will only come out in 2011...

However browsing a normal wikipedia page that is about list of pokemon episodes I found that there is a release date of November 12th 2010!

I continue to regard bulbapedia as more reliable than general wikipedia itself, however I wonder if any of you have received any idea or indication whether it is legitimate.... I am already half believing that the date set there on the general wikipedia is misleading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_episodes#Season_14:_Best_Wishes.21

(Once you go to the page, scroll down to the movies section)

Thanks for replying and assisting us all! {{unsigned|Cyberpedia}}
:Wikipedia? The worst ever source on earth. It's a damn wiki which can be edited by any one, so it's a really bad source. We can never rely on wikipedia until and unless we have an official source. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 15:51, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::[http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/en-us/zoroark/ Never trust Wikipedia].--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:06, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

== Jimmy or Ethan ==

A user recently changed Jimmy to Ethan. I did revert it, but maybe it is something for us to think about. Is there any proof it was Jimmy? Did he use his Typhlosion or Beedrill? I mean... {{jo|Marina}} and {{an|Lyra}}. Only problem is that Jimmy and Ethan look nearly identical. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:15, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:From what I heard, all he used is his Donphan. But unlike Marina and Lyra, Jimmy and Ethan look too similar to be changed..I guess we'll have to wait for the DVD? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:20, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well, {{ga|Kris}} and {{ga|Lyra}} are different characters, so that's why there is {{jo|Marina}} and {{an|Lyra}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Still, I think it's something to look into. It will stay Jimmy for now, and forever if nothing is proven. It probably most likely is Jimmy, but you can never be too sure. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I haven't seen the movie yet, but Jimmy has purple hair, and the part that sticks out of his hat is extremely exaggerated, unlike Ethan's who (from what I've seen in game artwork) has darker hair, and the part is natural looking. Does anyone have screenshots? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 02:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Nupz, no screenshots. DVD will be available on 17th Dec, so we just have to wait for 3 more days. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 02:19, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::A screenshot of the scene is on the forums... and to be honest, I don't think it looks that much like Jimmy. The hair is a completely different colour and style, and the booklet that came out with the film simply referred to him as 'Trainer'... I'm pretty certain the Donphan trainer ''wasn't'' Jimmy. [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 14:56, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::I'd love to see it. Can you post the link? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 15:04, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::: http://sunyshore.com/scrap/zoroarkmovie01.png [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 15:32, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Hm, interesting. It doesn't really look all that much like Jimmy. The hair's darker and shorter, especially the bangs. I'm actually not sure if it's Jimmy or not. 0-e [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 15:46, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Keep in mind that people animating the show, the style and the techonology used by them have all changed greatly since Legend of Thunder. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
(starting over indent) That's exactly why I didn't say I'm convinced it isn't Jimmy, lol. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 16:12, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
:I said that to everyone. Don't be so selfish. :P --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:13, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe the style and the tech of the show has changed but character designs rarely do. Marina's didn't... [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 16:20, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm not allowed to voice my opinon Maxim? :P But, I'm not sure if it's Jimmy or not, still. The coloring method has changed, so his hair could be darker (like Jessie's). It would be nice to see this from a different angle. Maybe we should wait until a clip comes out? [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 17:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
::::http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/message_boards/kenta_edited.png This image just lists him as "Trainer" so it's probably not him [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:13, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::I will never understand the Pokémon anime... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:44, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's not something you always want to understand :P Honestly, I have to agree with Watchermark, they didn't change Marina's design and I doubt they would change Jimmy this drastically. It's probably Ethan. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 13:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I wouldn't put it past them to redesign a character, if only to match the Sugimori artwork. Ash got a redesign just like that with no reason right? [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 14:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Also, whoever he is, this cameo isn't notable of his own article. So, maybe add him into Jimmy's article as a "lookalike" or something (it's not the first time we'd do something like that, is it?). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, put him in Jimmy's article as a lookalike? He should also be put in Ethan's page ala Lucas and Brendan. [[User:Pocketfanmk|Pocketfanmk]] 20:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

== Plot ==

I changed a bit of the plot of the movie while I was watching the movie again.
I'm Portuguese, so my English can be kinda bad. If I comitted any mistaken in grammar, please modify it. Thanks.

== Beginning ==

I was watching the movie on Cartoon Network today, and I noticed that the usual scene in which the narrator explains the world of Pokémon was missing. When I checked online, I found out that the entire beginning scene where Zorua escapes was also missing. Does anybody know why? ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 00:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC))
:They do this with other movies too. It's to save time and it cost $$$ to air in the {{wp|Prime time|prime time}} slot. - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 02:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::I definitely believe you on that. Though, Cartoon Network had 15 minutes left over before the next hour, plenty of time to play the first 10 minutes that was skipped. I'm just hoping the beginning will be on the DVD release.--'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 03:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

== error..maybe? ==

Does a mispronounciation of Raikou count as an error? [[User:Pokabu82|Pokabu]][[user talk:Pokabu82|82]] 01:40, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
:Considering that the company that dubs the show and movie gave all of the Pokémon their names, it's not wrong. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 01:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::and considering thats how it's '''''supposed''''' to be pronounced.......it's not an error [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:52, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

== Error? ==

I don't know for sure, but I think that in the scene where Kodai is chasing Ash, he screams "get serebii!" rather than "get celebi!" Can anyone confirm this? --[[User:Spenfen|SpenFen]] 01:08, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

User:Spenfen

2011-02-01T23:54:45Z

Spenfen:

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[[file:Turquoise_Riolu.jpg|center]]

To protect the world from devastation...
To unite all peoples within this nation...
To pronounce the virtues of truth and love...
It's...

SpenFen!!!

Yeah... I know that my motto is a corny altered Team Rocket motto. But, I like being weird. I like cheese. What? No, I meant I like garlic. No, I'm not kidding. I actually like garlic. But anyway, my favorite Pokémon is Riolu, as you can see above. I love the color turquoise, hence the turquoise Riolu. My favorite Anime character is Conway. My favorite TCG card is Salamence. Not Lv. X, not G, not anything but Salamence, from Stormfront. My favorite type is Ice. Isn't it strange how my favorite Pokémon isn't Ice type? Well, my second favorite Pokémon is Weavile. My favorite move, by far, is actually Dream Eater. On a completely random note, my favorite letter is i. On another completely random note, I like to be random.

Well, now that the introductions are done, I suppose I should tell you a bit about myself. I wasn't a Pokémon fan at first. I thought that I might like Pokémon, so I got my first game: Pokémon Diamond. That game I loved so much, I HAD to get another one. This happened with my purchase of Pokémon Platinum. After this, I loved the series even more, and slowly, I began to collect more and more pokemon games. Some I got from others (given willingly of course!) and some I got myself. Now, I am happy to say that I have and have played every mainstream Pokémon game available in the U.S. and love them all. Just so you know, the most recent addition to my collection is not HGSS, but... Red. It's the one that I really wanted, but couldn't find. The basic Poké-Game. Now, I have a collection, and will never let them go!

I own, like I said, literally every mainstream game available in America. However, I have only ''Beaten'' these: Emerald, Diamond, Platinum, SoulSilver, and LeafGreen. Here are my "Hall of Fame"s.
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|-align="center"
|In LeafGreen
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|[[Clefable]]
|[[Charizard]]
|[[Gyarados]]
|[[Machamp]]
|[[Alakazam]]
|[[Gengar]]
|}

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|-align="center"
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|-align="center"
|[[Infernape]]
|[[Dialga]]
|[[Gastrodon]]
|[[Weavile]]
|[[Luxray]]
|[[Spiritomb]]
|}

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|-align="center"
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|-align="center"
|[[Infernape]]
|[[Giratina]]
|[[Lucario]]
|[[Roselia]]
|[[Darkrai]]
|[[Kricketune]]
|}

{| width="70%" class="expandable" style="background: #{{hoenn color}};"
|-align="center"
|In Emerald
|-align="center"
|[[Swampert]]
|[[Salamence]]
|[[Swellow]]
|[[Kirlia]]
|[[Shiftry]]
|[[Aggron]]
|}

{| width="70%" class="expandable" style="background: #{{johto color}};"
|-align="center"
|In SoulSilver
|-align="center"
|[[Entei]]
|[[Feraligatr]]
|[[Gyarados]]
|[[Lugia]]
|[[Jirachi]]
|[[Raikou]]
|}

Also, just so you know, here is my perfect team! I'm currently building it in Platinum.
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|-align="center"
|PERFECT TEAM
|-align="center"
|[[Infernape]]
|[[Wobbuffet]]
|[[Luxray]]
|[[Weavile]]
|[[Togekiss]]
|[[Garchomp]]
|}

Well, that's it for now. By the way, this will undergo a MAJOR upgrade as soon as I have time.
Here's the last word for now: Unabbreviated.

User:Spenfen

2011-02-01T02:14:49Z

Spenfen:

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[[file:Turquoise_Riolu.jpg|center]]

To protect the world from devastation...
To unite all peoples within this nation...
To pronounce the virtues of truth and love...
It's...

SpenFen!!!

Yeah... I know that my motto is a corny altered Team Rocket motto. But, I like being weird. I like cheese. What? No, I meant I like garlic. No, I'm not kidding. I actually like garlic. But anyway, my favorite Pokémon is Riolu, as you can see above. I love the color turquoise, hence the turquoise Riolu. My favorite Anime character is Conway. My favorite TCG card is Salamence. Not Lv. X, not G, not anything but Salamence, from Stormfront. My favorite type is Ice. Isn't it strange how my favorite Pokémon isn't Ice type? Well, my second favorite Pokémon is Weavile. My favorite move, by far, is actually Dream Eater. On a completely random note, my favorite letter is i. On another completely random note, I like to be random.

Well, now that the introductions are done, I suppose I should tell you a bit about myself. I wasn't a Pokémon fan at first. I thought that I might like Pokémon, so I got my first game: Pokémon Diamond. That game I loved so much, I HAD to get another one. This happened with my purchase of Pokémon Platinum. After this, I loved the series even more, and slowly, I began to collect more and more pokemon games. Some I got from others (given willingly of course!) and some I got myself. Now, I am happy to say that I have and have played every mainstream Pokémon game available in the U.S. and love them all. Just so you know, the most recent addition to my collection is not HGSS, but... Red. It's the one that I really wanted, but couldn't find. The basic Poké-Game. Now, I have a collection, and will never let them go!

I own, like I said, literally every mainstream game available in America. However, I have only ''Beaten'' these: Emerald, Diamond, Platinum, SoulSilver, and LeafGreen. Here are my "Hall of Fame"s.
{| width="70%" class="roundy" style="background: #{{grass color}};"
|In LeafGreen
|-
|[[Clefable]]
|[[Charizard]]
|[[Gyarados]]
|[[Machamp]]
|[[Alakazam]]
|[[Gengar]]
|}

{| width="70%" class="roundy" style="background: #{{ice color light}};"
|In Diamond
|-
|[[Infernape]]
|[[Dialga]]
|[[Gastrodon]]
|[[Weavile]]
|[[Luxray]]
|[[Spiritomb]]
|}

{| width="70%" class="roundy" style="background: #{{sinnoh color}};"
|In Platinum
|-
|[[Infernape]]
|[[Giratina]]
|[[Lucario]]
|[[Roselia]]
|[[Darkrai]]
|[[Kricketune]]
|}

{| width="70%" class="roundy" style="background: #{{hoenn color}};"
|In Emerald
|-
|[[Swampert]]
|[[Salamence]]
|[[Swellow]]
|[[Kirlia]]
|[[Shiftry]]
|[[Aggron]]
|}

{| width="70%" class="roundy" style="background: #{{johto color}};"
|In SoulSilver
|-
|[[Entei]]
|[[Feraligatr]]
|[[Gyarados]]
|[[Lugia]]
|[[Jirachi]]
|[[Raikou]]
|}

Also, just so you know, here is my perfect team! I'm currently building it in Platinum.
{| width="70%" class="roundy" style="background: #{{electric color dark}};"
|PERFECT TEAM
|-
|[[Infernape]]
|[[Wobbuffet]]
|[[Luxray]]
|[[Weavile]]
|[[Togekiss]]
|[[Garchomp]]
|}

Well, that's it for now. By the way, this will undergo a MAJOR upgrade as soon as I have time.
Here's the last word for now: Unabbreviated.

User:Spenfen

2011-01-31T21:43:38Z

Spenfen:

[[file:Turquoise_Riolu.jpg|center]]

To protect the world from devastation...
To unite all peoples within this nation...
To pronounce the virtues of truth and love...
It's...

SpenFen!!!

Yeah... I know that my motto is a corny altered Team Rocket motto. But, I like being weird. I like cheese. What? No, I meant I like garlic. No, I'm not kidding. I actually like garlic. But anyway, my favorite Pokémon is Riolu, as you can see above. I love the color turquoise, hence the turquoise Riolu. My favorite Anime character is Conway. My favorite TCG card is Salamence. Not Lv. X, not G, not anything but Salamence, from Stormfront. My favorite type is Ice. Isn't it strange how my favorite Pokémon isn't Ice type? Well, my second favorite Pokémon is Weavile. My favorite move, by far, is actually Dream Eater. On a completely random note, my favorite letter is i. On another completely random note, I like to be random.

Well, now that the introductions are done, I suppose I should tell you a bit about myself. I wasn't a Pokémon fan at first. I thought that I might like Pokémon, so I got my first game: Pokémon Diamond. That game I loved so much, I HAD to get another one. This happened with my purchase of Pokémon Platinum. After this, I loved the series even more, and slowly, I began to collect more and more pokemon games. Some I got from others (given willingly of course!) and some I got myself. Now, I am happy to say that I have and have played every mainstream Pokémon game available in the U.S. and love them all. Just so you know, the most recent addition to my collection is not HGSS, but... Red. It's the one that I really wanted, but couldn't find. The basic Poké-Game. Now, I have a collection, and will never let them go! Anyway, this is the last word for now: Practicality.

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{{User Smart}}
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{{User Food|Chocolate}}
{{User TV|Spongebob Sqarepants}}
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|
{{User Shipper}}
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{{User Anime}}
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{{User Game|150|Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga|Teal|Red}}
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User:Spenfen

2011-01-31T00:21:55Z

Spenfen:

[[file:Turquoise_Riolu.jpg|center]]

To protect the world from devastation...
To unite all peoples within this nation...
To pronounce the virtues of truth and love...
It's...

SpenFen!!!

Yeah... I know that my motto is a corny altered Team Rocket motto. But, I like being weird. I like cheese. What? No, I meant I like garlic. No, I'm not kidding. I actually like garlic. But anyway, my favorite Pokémon is Riolu, as you can see above. I love the color turquoise, hence the turquoise Riolu. My favorite Anime character is Conway. My favorite TCG card is Salamence. Not Lv. X, not G, not anything but Salamence, from Stormfront. My favorite type is Ice. Isn't it strange how my favorite Pokémon isn't Ice type? Well, my second favorite Pokémon is Weavile. My favorite move, by far, is actually Dream Eater. On a completely random note, my favorite letter is i. On another completely random note, I like to be random.

Well, now that the introductions are done, I suppose I should tell you a bit about myself. I wasn't a Pokémon fan at first. I thought that I might like Pokémon, so I got my first game: Pokémon Diamond. That game I loved so much, I HAD to get another one. This happened with my purchase of Pokémon Platinum. After this, I loved the series even more, and slowly, I began to collect more and more pokemon games. Some I got from others (given willingly of course!) and some I got myself. Now, I am happy to say that I have and have played every mainstream Pokémon game available in the U.S. and love them all. Just so you know, the most recent addition to my collection is not HGSS, but... Red. It's the one that I really wanted, but couldn't find. The basic Poké-Game. Now, I have a collection, and will never let them go! Anyway, this is the last word for now: Wallowing.
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{{User Shiny|442|Spiritomb|Ghost|Ice}}
{{User Ace Trainer}}
{{User Dex}}
{{User Food|Chocolate}}
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{{User Diamond}}
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{{User Platinum}}
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{{User Black}}
{{User White}}
Um, I have something to say about Black and White-JUST KIDDING!!! I don't really own black and white. Anyway, continue with the boxes.
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{{User Male}}
{{User Smart}}
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{{User Champion}}
{{User Starter|004|Charmander}}
{{User Starter|158|Totodile}}
{{User Starter|258|Mudkip}}
{{User Starter|390|Chimchar}}
{{User Starter|447|Riolu}}
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{{User Favorite Dragon|373|Salamence}}
{{User Favorite Dark|442|Spiritomb}}
{{User Anime}}
{{User Favorite Character|Conway.png|Conway|Conway}}
</div>

Talk:We Will Carry On!

2011-01-28T22:07:18Z

Spenfen: /* Zoroark */

==Trivia==
Is this the shortest opening thus far? On an unrelated note, is it also the first opening title to show Ash's Pokémon evolving before they actually do so in the opening, namely Infernape and Torterra? --[[User:YakobTheRed|YakobTheRed]] 14:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:''[[This Dream]]'' also has spoilers, like Treecko's evolution. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 14:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
::Can we put that it is the first opening since Diamond and Pearl to be sung by a male. --[[User talk:Renzo493|Renzo493]] 15:00, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
:::To YakobTheRed's first question, it's one of the longest, which ties with Galactic Battles. Battle Frontier is 31 seconds, Diamond and Pearl is 31 seconds, Battle Dimension is 33 seconds, Galactic Battles is around 36 seconds and Sinnoh League Victors is around 36 seconds. If anything, Battle Frontier or Diamond and Pearl is the shortest. - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 15:37, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

it's only been two songs since we had a male singer
it's not like the japanese version where they only had one male singer...([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 16:07, 5 June 2010 (UTC))

== Artist ==

Is [[John Loeffler]] the artist of this song, the one who sang the movie version of ''[[We Will Be Heroes]]''? --[[User talk:Renzo493|Renzo493]] 15:12, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

==Lyrics==
Are we sure it says "friends"? Sounds more like "those" to me... --[[User:YakobTheRed|YakobTheRed]] 15:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I agree. It does sound like "It's about those that work together," rather then "It's about friends that work together." -- ([[User:Holonboy|Holonboy]] 05:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC))
:: No. Turn on your TV's closed caption subtitles. It says "friends". - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 21:34, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== Zoroark ==
Where is Zoroark in this song? [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 02:03, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
:We don't yet know if this song will be the opening of movie 13. We won't until the movie airs in english, so there is no reason to include zoroark in the article, if that's what you mean. --[[User:Spenfen|SpenFen]] 22:07, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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To protect the world from devastation...
To unite all peoples within this nation...
To pronounce the virtues of truth and love...
It's...

SpenFen!!!

Yeah... I know that my motto is a corny altered Team Rocket motto. But, I like being weird. I like cheese. What? No, I meant I like garlic. No, I'm not kidding. I actually like garlic. But anyway, my favorite Pokémon is Riolu, as you can see above. I love the color turquoise, hence the turquoise Riolu. My favorite Anime character is Sir Aaron from movie 8. My favorite TCG card is Salamence. Not Lv. X, not G, not anything but Salamence, from Stormfront. My favorite type is Ice. Isn't it strange how my favorite Pokémon isn't Ice type? Well, my second favorite Pokémon is Weavile. My favorite move, by far, is actually Dream Eater. On a completely random note, my favorite letter is i. On another completely random note, I like to be random.

Well, now that the introductions are done, I suppose I should tell you a bit about myself. I wasn't a Pokémon fan at first. I thought that I might like Pokémon, so I got my first game: Pokémon Diamond. That game I loved so much, I HAD to get another one. This happened with my purchase of Pokémon Platinum. After this, I loved the series even more, and slowly, I began to collect more and more pokemon games. Some I got from others (given willingly of course!) and some I got myself. Now, I am happy to say that I have and have played every mainstream Pokémon game available in the U.S. and love them all. Just so you know, the most recent addition to my collection is not HGSS, but... Red. It's the one that I really wanted, but couldn't find. The basic Poké-Game. Now, I have a collection, and will never let them go! Anyway, this is the last word for now: Motivation.
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Spenfen: /* M10 Disguise */ new section

==Pokemon==
When did Jesse ever have a Magikarp? {{unsigned|Blackjack Gabbiani}}
: Briefly, when James bought one with their combined salaries. - [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 12:56, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
::It should be when the Magikarp saler disguises the Magikarp to be Feebas. Jessie want to use Milotic in contest so he bought the Magikarp.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 05:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Arbok, Lickitung, Wobbuffet, Seviper, Dustox... over half of all the main Pokémon she's used are Poison-type. Does she qualify for the Poison-type trainers category? --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 23:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:: Works for me. She counts more than some people (Like Flint, 2 Fire Pokemon out of 5). You could make a case for James being a Grass-Trainer, while you're at it. - [[User:Cassius335|Alan]]

==Croagunk?==
Now, I haven't seen the episode with Brock capturing Croagunk, but did Jessie ever own it? To my knowledge, it was just a wild one, and she never owned it. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 21:52, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
:I think she never formally captured it, but she battled with it, which made it as much hers as Haunter was Ash's. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 22:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] 22:31, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== It's been a while ==
It's been like a year since Jessie has gotten a new pokemon. Why is that?
:It's been a while since [[Ash]] has, too, and he's the main character. Maybe they're just waiting. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
::Bear in mind Ash only has two slots left and one of those might be the Riolu egg from Iron Island. No idea why they're waiting so long for Jessie, though. - [[User:Cassius335|Alan]]
:::Johto? They gotta spread them out over the entire arc or else it'll get boring. Between EP002 and EP052, it was just Ekans/Arbok, then it was Arbok and Lickitung until EP146, when she traded Lickitung for Wobbuffet. Then it was just Arbok and Wobbuffet all the way through EP273 and then six episodes into AG. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 07:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== A Multi-Identity Problem ==

Um... If Jessalina is used as a redirect to Jessie, shouldn't the other one be redirects? As I recall, she used more than one names as a coordinator.

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But she never changed her names since Sinnoh.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 13:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:Did she ever use Jessabella?--[[User:David aipom|Davidaipom]] 17:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== Jessie's Appearance ==
In the pokemon anime series, jessie keeps her original style, but, her hair chaged from red to purple, i don't know why, have any of you noticed this?
:No, it's just a different shade or red and the lighting. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 11:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
::No, it's not only the lights, it actually '''has''' changed, it did sometime between the original series and the advance one. The reason? I don't know, don't remember it being mentioned ever in the anime. I liked it better red, it looks great, but in purple she looks great too, it makes her look more imponent, don't you think? --[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 04:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The real truth is that her hair along with Ash, Officer Jenney and maybe a few other's hair had changed color from EP261 and on. Why? The anime transitioned to digital colorization resulting in few cosmetic changes to characters which are hardly noticeable. Like Jessie's hair. Officer jenny's hair went from blue to green. Ash now has gray highlights in his hair, etc.--[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992] 19:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Jessie's Dustox ==
:Isn't her Dustox leaveing her team in [[DP073]] for a Shiny Dustox? {{Ani|172}}{{Ani|025}}[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User:CoolPikachu!/Extra|'''chu!''']]{{Ani|417}}{{Ani|471}}
::Likely, but we don't know for sure until we see her let it go. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 22:17, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I guess normal pokemon think shiny ones are hot.[[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 14:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== [[EP029]] ==

The Hitmonlee that Jessie had in order to enter the [[P1 Grand Prix]], are we putting that in here? If so, would it b under "Borrowed" or "Temporary"?

:If we are, it would go under Temporary. They mugged the real [[Giant]] for the Hitmonlee, his outfit, and his identity to enter the P1 Grand Prix. That behaviour certainly wouldn't lend to "borrowed"...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

So I guess the Hitmonlee would fall under Temporary then?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

== Flashback ==

In a flashback in AG156, Jessie is seen hanging on a Starmie. I don't know if she really owned it, but it could be listed under Status Unknown. {{unsigned|Tomazzo}}
:Nah, that'd just be a wild Pokémon. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 14:41, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
::Though, PokeAni does mention that she did have a Starmie. But still it can't be confirmed. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, i know but at Tracey's page a Dodrio was added that was also seen in a flashback but was not confirmed. [[User: Tomazzo|Tomazzo]]
We dont know if it was wild, probably not since she was riding it. I think i should go under status unknown. [[User:David aipom|David]]
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David's right.--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 14:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:D Thankies [[User:David aipom|David]]
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==Jessica==
'''Jessie''' is short for '''Jessica''', as revealed in [[EP016]]. Shoudn't it be mentioned?

== Inclusion ==

Should we include {{MTR}}?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what you mean...what about Meowth? -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 18:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Like include him in Jess and James' parties.--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 22:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:Oh. No. He is his own entity. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 02:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::Meowth in Jessie's and James's parties means we put James in Jessie's party... because she owns him for sure more than she owns Meowth. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::: I very nearly read that as something else... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 14:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== First Female Member ==

Is it important enough to add that Jessie was the first female Team Rocket member to appear in the games? (From what I can remember, she was.) [[User:Hooray4Homestar|Hooray4Homestar]] 03:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:I think she was, yeah. Since female grunts and admins didn't appear until GSC. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Blissey ==

===Befriended===
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Should this be here? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 09:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Good News! Already done it!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 12:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== Age ==

In episode IL episode 56, (55 in US) while signing up for the Pokēmon admissions exam, she says her age is 17. That would mean that if the age listed here is correct, 8 years would have passed since the first season. This means that either this page should be edited or else the age of almost every other main character should be edited (and making Ash 18). Please think about this. {{unsigned|Platinumcyndaquil}}
:I haven't watched it in a long time... got a YouTube link or something? And besides, this is Pokémon. There's inconsistencies everywhere, and Team Rocket are known to ''bend'' the truth sometimes... And that reference wasn't in the original, so we don't know how accurate it is.
:Anyway, it's not Pokēmon, it's Pokémon. There's a huge difference between macron'd e (sounds like ee) and accented e (sounds like ey). And we don't go by IL/OI/JJ/JLC/MQ/A/AC/AB/BF/DP/BD, we go by EP/AG/DP. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::Left an explanation on his/her talk page. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Why not just put it in the trivia? unless it's already there~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 03:35, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::::It is a dub only information, isn't it? So, I think that put in trivia is the best thing to do. [[User:RikkiKitsune|Rikki Kitsune]] ~ [[User talk:RikkiKitsune|リッキキツネ]] 15:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

:I was merely pointing it out because i thought it was an inconsistency and that if it isn't changed, be mentioned in an area like trivia. Also, if that age is supposedly real time, then it would also be wrong because she would be about 27 or so. I also pray for your forgiveness, as i just started out yesterday and didn't realize that the "é" was in the character palette, or that there were names other than the season name for episodes. Again, I apologize dearly. {{unsigned|Platinumcyndaquil}}

== ...Is it just my comp... ==

...or is the navigation bar screwed up on the page?[[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 23:26, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:No, it's not just your computer. It looks weird on mine too. This also happens with some of the other pags. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:11, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Pulls out cup of coffee* So... yeah... It's the Team Rocket's Pokémon template, I think. I checked some links in each of the templates on this page, all the ones in the Team Rocket's Pokémon template that have it on their page too had the same problem. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 00:43, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It was caused by an unclosed <nowiki><div></nowiki> tag. Fixed now. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 00:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

==Team Rocket's Pokemon==

In the box titled "Team Rocket's Pokémon", Smoochum is under both temporary Pokémon and rented Pokémon. Was there more than one Smoochum, or has the status of the Smoochum remain undecided? ~PazuSalmon
:What are you talking about?-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
No from the episodes I saw there has only been 1 Smoochum that jessie has used, but I think it would be better put under borrowed since it was given to her by professor Rowan to use at the camp.

== Multiple costume disguises ==

Is it possible to have an in-depth section discussing her various character personas? Jessibella, Jessadia, Jessilina, Jessilinda, and I wouldn't put it passed her that I might be missing one. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 04:57, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:Could probably go on the team rocket disguise page...Probably mentioned here too. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 05:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

==Relationship to Harley==
Shouldn't we mention her relationship (possibly more than ,,friendship´´) to Harley in [[AG174|AG174]]?-[[User:Impoleon xy|Impoleon xy]] 14:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jessalina's pic ==

It is ok to change Jessalina's pic to this? That one she used only once. [[Image:Musarina.png|200px]] [[User:RikkiKitsune|Rikki Kitsune]] ~ [[User talk:RikkiKitsune|リッキキツネ]] 23:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

== Character ==

Under the Character section for [[James]], there is a current anime picture of him;
Is it possible that I or someone else can do the same for [[Jessie]]?- [[User:XXKojiMusaXX|XXKojiMusaXX]] 03:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:Sure, one just needs to be uploaded to the database. You can either do it, or someone else can... I guess you could just post it right here, and someone could upload it for you. –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 03:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:DPJessie_2.jpg
Okay, so here's a picture of Jessie, if some is willing to upload it.- [[User:XXKojiMusaXX|XXKojiMusaXX]] 04:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
:Done. –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 04:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

==Moves Used!!!!!!==
What is that Moves Used in the trivia section? I know she used them, sort of, to capture Seviper but the section really needs to be expanded if kept at all. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 16:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah! what the heck! I know she did kinda used them, like in AG165 she used {{m|Headbutt}} against the director of the TV show... or something, but it look a lot like "a attack", anyways, she's a human so '''Moves Used''' mmmm I'm not sure... If we are to keep that forever then we should see what other characters have *used* moves before to write them all in their respective pages.[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 16:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well, [[Baron Alberto]] has Moves Used, though he transformed into a Lickilicky, so that's understandable. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 16:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Yep, but it's gone now.[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 17:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

==More trivia==
Well, there are a few extra things that would also fit in well into trivia, like the fact that she is the only human to catch a Pokemon without the aid of another Pokemon (She fought it herself)... Also, all of her main battle Pokemon have been snakes. (Arbok and Seviper currently)

Thoughts? Maybe you've noticed other trends or unique aspects of Jessie?

Not the first to catch a pokémon without another. Ash and krabby off the top of my head for one thing. [[User:TheAlmightyChris|TheAlmightyChris]] 09:32, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

== Jessie's "past" in hoenn ==

Was it ever mentioned in the article that Jessie kinda hinted of having a past in Hoenn? It was in the first or second episode of AG. Was it even explain any further in the anime, japanese or dub?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Is it okay to put anime artwork of Jessie in the anime section instead of the screenshot from an episode. This is the picture I was thinking about. [[Image:Jessie Anime.png|right|thumb|125px|Jessie]] - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]] 21:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Episodes in which Jessie gets a ribbon - Category? ==

Considering she now has just as many as Dawn, shouldn't 'Episodes in which Jessie gets a ribbon' be made a category? Dawn has a category like that, and considering Jessie will more than likely continue into the next anime season it would make sense to create one in my opinion. [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 22:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:Well if Dawn has one, Jessie should too! Make it so!--[[User:Pokelova|''Pokélova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(Talk)'']] 22:56, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::Done. [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 07:48, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

== Grand Festival Pic ==
I have a full body version of her Grand Festival outfit, but considering its only adding a part of the skirt and her boots, I was wondering if I should replace it. What do you guys say? Here it is by the way: http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy34/Tayitup/jessalina.png --[[User:Skystar|Skystar]] 20:23, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:That's a good image, I say go for it!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 20:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

==Possible Trivia==
I noticed Jessadia's outfit and pose is similar to Sailor Moon's outfit and pose. Should it be included as trivia or is it not notable? --[[User:Kolink|Ko]][[User_Talk:Kolink|link]] 03:17, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== M10 Disguise ==

Didn't Jessie also disguise herself as Jessilina in M10, but just a different outfit? If so, can I add it to the article? --[[User:Spenfen|SpenFen]] 13:46, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

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To protect the world from devastation...
To unite all peoples within this nation...
To pronounce the virtues of truth and love...
It's...

SpenFen!!!

Yeah... I know that my motto is a corny altered Team Rocket motto. But, I like being weird. I like cheese. What? No, I meant I like garlic. No, I'm not kidding. I actually like garlic. But anyway, my favorite Pokémon is Riolu, as you can see above. I love the color turquoise, hence the turquoise Riolu. My favorite Anime character is Sir Aaron from movie 8. My favorite TCG card is Salamence. Not Lv. X, not G, not anything but Salamence, from Stormfront. My favorite type is Ice. Isn't it strange how my favorite Pokémon isn't Ice type? Well, my second favorite Pokémon is Weavile. My favorite move, by far, is actually Dream Eater. On a completely random note, my favorite letter is i. On another completely random note, I like to be random. Yeah, I know my user page isn't much. Once I figure out how exactly to do some things, I'll have more. This is the last word for now: Oxymoron.
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==Who is Z?==
Does anybody know here who this so-called ''Phantom Ruler Z'' is? [[User:Mamoswine Gliscor|MamoswineGliscor]] 02:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:No. The movie isn't even close to being out yet. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 02:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::It's a movie not a username. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Probably a Gen V Pokémon, knowing how the past three movies have released an initial title, and then later revealed a "new" (event) Pokémon from DPPt... considering there's no more right now... we may have the beginning of Gen V on our hands. However, no matter what I think, no speculation please. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
ok so it has been confirmed http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k188/y2kpikachu12/uyygjg.jpg this pokemon is pokemon z {{unsigned|Ayotui}}
:In case anyone is wondering, Zoroark is Z. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::Should that go in the article? Until it's confirmed(even though it's obvious) it's technically speculation.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 15:03, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It '''''is''''' confirmed. I think it should go in. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Is it just me or is Zorark totally Kickass
:It was never confirmed that ''Z''oroark is Z. ''That'' is still speculation. Obvious, yes. Confirmed, no.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:: It '''is''' confirmed. See the logo:
http://i48.tinypic.com/i1hc01.png
::[[User:Santer|Santer]] 15:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Z is probobly [[Zoroark]] considering [[Zoroark]] is the star of the movie & its name starts with a Z. ({{u|Munchy Lax}}) 20:49, 3 June 2010 (EST)
:::It was confirmed. Please also note the date the last comment was put in this discussion. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:52, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== How is there already ratings? ==
Especially for Australia?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, when were they confirmed? '''[[User:CuboneKing|Cubone]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]]''' ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) 04:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::I don't know if I can edit it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:56, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:::I can. '''[[User:CuboneKing|Cubone]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]]''' ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) 04:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Did I leave one in there? My bad. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia and Ho-oh ==

Is this the same movie that has the battle between Lugia and Ho-oh in it? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:Though Lugia and Ho-oh were not showed in this particular trailer, the image of them battling still remains on the official movie website, so yeah it's the same... Lugia and Ho-oh's roles just aren't known yet ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 14:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC))
So, why don't we list those two Pokémon, and take out that last trivia fact? They're going to be there; absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The teaser showed them, and that's that.--[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 23:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:I point to Palkia in movie 11. It was on the first poster and, oh look, not in the movie. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
::Well, being in the first poster is a bit different from being in first teaser, in my opinion. There were other movies which posters contained Pokémon that not participated in the movie itself. [[Jirachi: Wish Maker]] for example, with {{AP|Treecko}} and {{TP|Brock|Mudkip}}. However, it may be better to wait further information. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 16:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Either way, it'll be out in July. We'll find out more before then, but that's gonna be when our answer is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Come to think of it, there were loads of Pokémon on the Mewtwo Strikes Back poster that weren't in the movie. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 15:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I suspect that the two of them are going to appear in the opening sequence of the movie, like how most of the Legendaries have appeared in the introductions of the most recent movies.--[[User:Webspidrman|Webspidrman]] 03:10, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Diamond And Pearl? ==

Why Is This Classed As A Diamond And Pearl Series? Surely It Should Be In The Heart Gold And Soul Silver Series. Anyone Agree? After All The DP Trilogy Ended If I Remember Rightly! --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 16:29, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:No. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 16:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::No confirmation has been made about any new series, or about the DP series ending. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the DP series logo is used on the movie website. May I remind you that the Battle Frontier seasons were in the same series as the Hoenn seasons? I don't think it's likely they'll create a new series for HGSS. Possible, but not likely. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 16:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:::I highly, HIGHLY doubt they're creating a HGSS series; they're about to give DP a new opening theme! So yes, this will most definitely be a DP movie. (Also way to make my first reply look totally unhelpful, Buzz{{tt|.|...okay, so it was unhelpful, but still}} [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 16:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::::It's still the DP series, just like how AG didn't become a FRLG series or an Emerald series. We have a different colorscheme for Battle Frontier, LMM, and PRTOTS because it focuses on the Emerald features, so this has an HGSS colorscheme because it focuses on HGSS's features; likely Season 13 or 14 will, too. Undoubtedly, I'd say, we'll be having Movie 14 be in Johto as well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

so its considered to fall in the DPPt series until further notice, that's all to it from now on I suggest.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 10:58, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
:There is no "DPPt" series. There's the DP series. And it will continue to fall into that series until all eternity, unless they'll decide to start a new series, which is extremely unlikely. Conversation over. Stop talking about it. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 13:41, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
::It's not unlikely. It just won't happen until Gen V. HGSS is Gen IV. As long as Dawn's around, it will be DP. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
And why couldn't the anime have a hgss series? Original series - gen 1 and 2.Hoenn- gen 3 (ruby and saphire), the battle frontier - fire red and leaf green versions.Sinnoh - gen 4 (Diamond, pearl and platinium), and as hgss came out, the anime will probably follow ash's journey to Johto once more. {{unsigned|Tomas}}
:Oy. You just don't understand what we're talking about. We're not saying the anime won't follow HGSS, of course it will, just that those seasons will still fall into the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}, in the same way that the Battle Frontier seasons were still a part of the {{series|Advanced Generation}}. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Well yes, on my understanding they should fall into the DP series.--'''[[wp:Wikipedia|Wiki]]'''[[User:Tomas|''Tomas'']] 16:34, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

== actual name ==

its actually phantom champion Z, its the champion kanji not the ruler, please rename.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:27, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
:It can be translated as champion, but I chose the "ruler" translation instead so as not to cause confusion with the Pokemon League title of Champion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:42, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
No, its not what you think will be confused, bulbapedia should be a reliable source of info not one that goes with whatever we users want so some admin should change the name once and for all.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:55, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think you're getting this... Phantom Champion Z is not an "official" name either (It's the one I came up with and Serebii used actually lol... XD ) All three of the translations out there are just fine, and no one is better than the other... At this point we don't know enough about the story or the characters in it to make an accurate judgment of what the proper translation should be, so therefore it should stay "Phantom Ruler Z" until something is revealed that suggests otherwise, which might not even happen because it could be 100% accurate. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 14:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC))
All right, to either clear up or further confuse the issue, here's what those words are: 
幻影: a vision; a phantom; a ghost; a hallucination. Something that appears real but isn't. 
覇者: ruler; conqueror; winner; champion; titleholder. Either a monarch who rules by force, or the winner in a competition or contest. 
Judging from years past, whatever translation we choose, it will be inaccurate, and it will continue to be used long after better ones are available. --[[User:Murgatroyd|Murgatroyd]] 04:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
:Umm... I don't speak Japanese but I did find an online translator. It told me that "幻影の覇者ゾロアーク" means "Champion Zoroark of Illusion". [[User:Spenfen|Spenfen]] 23:18, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
::I do believe that actual people who speak Japanese (from this section: me and Yaminokame) ultimately trump online translators. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 23:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== How do we know his name is The Phantom? ==

I'm curious b/c I don't remember anyone saying anything.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 06:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:Uh what? If you're talking about that pirate guy, he was in movie 9. This likely has nothing to do with him... it's like how there've been ''several'' [[Jimmy|Jimmies]], but only one has encountered {{p|Raikou}}. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::No, someone added into the article something along the lines of "he is called the Phantom" but it's already been taken care of :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 10:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC))
:::Most likely got it from Serebii's jump-to-conclusion that "Meanwhile, Ash meets up with a Phantom Champion, a shadowed character whom looks identical to him." That's not fact yet, Joe.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 21:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon A and B...yet again ==

the title says it all, the mystery guessing game is back with the merchandise, A: New Pokemon A. B: New pokemon DP. thats the description of both, I would like some trusted admin to add the information if possible.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Ah yes, On feb 15 corocoro will provide a sample of info officially--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, that Pokémon A & B thing isn't really important because they are just names of the plush lines. ポケモンぬいぐるみDP (Pokémon Plush DP) and the newer line NEWポケモンぬいぐるみ (NEW Pokémon Plush), so I really don't see much sense in adding that information here :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 00:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC))

if such , so what's thhe difference between NEW pokemon and pokemon DP?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 09:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/pokemon/nuigurumi/newpokemon/index.html NEW Pokemon Plush] and [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/pokemon/nuigurumi/nuigurumi-dp/index.html Pokemon Plush DP] are just different names of the lines, I'm not really sure why they did it, they just did :/ [[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 10:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

==New Movie Pokémon==
[http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f299/PKIM82/13pb.jpg New merchandise] shows Lugia, Ho-oh and Mightyena. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:Should that image be added to the article?--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::No, that image will not be added. We need a full, high quality picture. (by: [[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|''95'']]) 10:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::Save it for beta article maybe. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 14:58, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::beta article for the movie? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Gen. V game. They might change something about this Pokémon before the release of the game or the movie. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 15:06, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

==Mismagius & Shuppet?==

In the latest scans from CoroCoro it showed {{AP|Pikachu}} and [[Dawn's Piplup|Piplup]] fighting a {{p|Shuppet}} and {{p|Mismagius}}. [[User:Roryrules123|Roryrules123]] 15:31 10 February 2010

== Zorua and Zororak ==

Should they be added to the Featured Pokémon and Pokémon sections? --[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 18:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]
:Well, seeing as they would be red links, i'm going to guess no. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:: i would refer you [[Template:Main Page/Message from the Editor|here]] —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 22:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Zoroark should at least be added. It's in the movie. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::: We might add to the trivia that this is the second time a featured Poké has been a non-legendary with a prevo that were introduced before a generation's release. Slightly signifigant. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 03:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I understand adding Zoroark, but did the Coro scan say that Zoroa would be in it as well?[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 16:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::: Apparently, since both Serebiinet and Bulbapedia say so. --[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 19:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]

Question, should Zororak be mentioned in the plot summery as being involved in someway? Reason being his name is in the TITLE for crying out loud, we can automatically say from that that Zororak will play a role in the plot can't we? --[[User:Superx|Superx]] 02:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

==English title==
Why is there an english title already up on this page, even if it's in invisibility tags? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 05:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:Rumored title I think. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 13:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Because if it's hidden, who cares? It's there because something should be. And because, der, this is just LMM redux. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 13:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

== Add debut section ==

I was just reading over the article, and I noticed that it doesn't have a debuts section for Zorua and Zoroark. Is this a mistake, or did I miss something and movies don't have debut sections? Spenfen
:The last one does't have a debut section but the one before that does so I'm assuming that this one doesn't have a debut section yet. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:: I think the debut section gets left off until we know all of the Pokémon that are going to debut. It seems highly likely that more Gen V Pokémon are going to be in the movie. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:18, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Answer to Who the "Dark" version of Ash in Trailer? ==

The name of the movie is Phantom Ruler(or Champion)Z and Zoroark is known as the Illusionary Fox Pokémon, right? Is it possible that Zoroark created an illusion of Ash and tries to take over as a ruler of some sort? Just a thought. {{unsigned|Legendary Catcher}}

:It is reasonable that Zoroark actually created the illusion of Dark/Evil Ash. --[[User:Icecreamy 1234|Icecreamy 1234]] 20:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::Please go to the forums for this... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Zorua ==

How do we know that Zoroua is in the movie and it is NOT mentioned? -[[User:?????|Full of Questions]] [[User talk:?????|Man.... I am.]]
:What do you mean? corocoro said that it was in the movie (ゾロアークの進化前の姿でもあるゾロアもスクリーンで一足先に大暴れ！) and it's on the page, I'm not sure what you're asking/wanting done? ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 04:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC))
::Did CoroCoro say that ''both'' Zoroark and Zoroua are in the movie, or ''only'' Zoroark? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, that Japanese quote clearly states that they will BOTH be in the movie. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 04:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Just making sure. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== Logo ==
[[File:Japanese Movie 13 Logo.png|thumb|right|The Japanese logo, containing Zoroark's name.]]

== Trivia worthy? ==

the movie will premiere on July 10, the legend of thunder part 2 aired on July 10 in the u.s. So yay or nay?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'd say 'Nay'. It is trivia but its not very interesting and I don't think it was on purpose. Oh and try to focus edits on the '''''main article''''' rather than trivia. Thank you. --'''[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]'''7 15:30, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Can someone change the trivia section? Technically the Legendary Beasts aren't in this movie or won't be until they are confirmed since the ones in the trailer are illusions.

== New poster for the M13 ==

This is a new poster from Movie13 "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 09:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
"[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 09:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Poster.png]]

:Here is the poster alone. Someone could go ahead and delete that previous picture.–'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 14:36, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Movie13poster1.png]]

The problem is.. there's still some text visible.. at the lower part of the image. hope someone can fix that "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 13:12, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== NEW INFO! ==

just got a link to some image from the movie!

http://www.filb.de/forum/showthread.php?t=3606 ([[User:Ataro|Hg/Ss come out already!]] 00:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC))

== Dark Ash IS indeed Zoroark ==

It's proven on the new official trailer. See it on Serebii - [[User:050294|050294]] 01:20, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:More like see it on Filb. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== About darker Ash ==

I have concluded something. In the latest trailer on Flib, Zoroark is shown transforming into Ash. However, the "Zoroark Ash" is not shadowed. I think it was just the shadow of the tree Zoroark was standing by. We should make sure there is no confusion there. [[User:Spenfen|Spenfen]] 01:40, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:Does it really matter? Please take it to the forums. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:44, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== Ninjask... ==

...is to be seen in the movie. Please add it. - [[User:050294|050294]] 05:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

We can add Ninjask because it resembles those of Zero's Magnet Family.. multiples "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 13:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== Another one ==

Another poster was shown from the Pokémon Sunday..

[[Image:M13 poster.jpg|thumb|The New Poster for M13]]

.. can we change the current pic.. ? "[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 13:44, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

[[:a:File:Ruler of Illusions Zoroark.png|Here]]. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

== Will Entei and Lugia talk? ==

They talked in the previous movies. Will they talk again in this one?

[[Dan Green]] Entei FTW. {{unsigned|Attack Kitty}}
:Entei only talked in the third movie because he was created by Molly's imagination and she wanted him to talk. But it's possible that Lugia could talk, but if this is the case then they'll probably have to make Ho-oh talk as well, otherwise they wouldn't be "equal". There's a been lots of talking Legendary Pokémon in movies lately, so who knows? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 21:53, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

::If any Pokémon is going to be talking, it's going to be {{p|Zoroark}}. Of course, this really should be moved to the forums! Thank You! :D --''' Zoroark!!! ''' '''[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]'''7 16:13, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== too early to add Zoroark and Zorua and Celebi? ==

In the voice actor list, we have the beasts, so is it too early to add them? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Midnight Blue}} ([[User talk:Midnight Blue|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Midnight Blue|contribs]]) ''

== Why is this page not updated? ==

Wow, the admins are slow, lol. The website Pokébeach has the plot somewhat revealed, all true as the info is from the official Pokemon website. Here it is:

Info (From the new trailer):

[[Ash]] and crew visit {{red link|Crown City}} to watch the Pokemon Backer World Cup. On their trip they meet a Pokemon named {{p|Zorua}}, who is searching for its companion; they decide to let it tag along so they can assist it. But a Pokemon named {{p|Zoroark}} - the "Ruler of Illusions" - is turning into {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, and {{p|Suicune}} and destroying Crown City! Also, {{p|Celebi}} returns after 20 years and gets into trouble. What is happening to Crown City? What could the Ruler of Illusion, Zoroark, be? And what about Celebi? Will Ash and {{AP|Pikachu}} be able to save the city and the Pokemon?

Characters:

Kodai (the evil-looking businessman) - He is the president of the giant corporation "Kodai Network." He is called the man who knows the future and is known for his ambition. 
Rioka - She is a cool and intelligent woman. She is Kodai's secretary. 
Kuroto - He is a newspaper reporter from Crown City. He is trying to discover Kodai's secret. 
Zorua - A Pokemon that meets up with Ash and friends as they head toward Crown City. Its specialty is turning into various things. 
Zoroark - A Pokemon with the ability to show illusions. It turns into Raikou, Entei, and Suicune to attack Crown City and drive the people into a panic.

As seen from the following information:
*The [[legendary beasts]] are actually Zoroark; they do not actually appear.
*The new character's indentities are revealed.
*Zoroark is revealed to be an antagonist, though the reason it is is unconfirmed.
*Zorua seems to be good, implying that Zoroark's antagonistic behavior may NOT be normal.
*Kodai seems to be after Celebi and is most likely an antagonist.

Not seen from that text:
*Zorua can {{m|transform}}, as seen in an added scene in the new trailer; it changed into a {{p|Piplup}}

Please, admins, add this vital info! - [[User:050294|050294]] 22:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

:Sheesh. ''Another'' illusion Entei? When are we ever going to see the real one? - {{unsigned|Attack Kitty}}
::The real Legendary Beasts could also appear; besides, Zoroark would have to have seen the real thing in order to take on their appearance. I hope the real ones are in it as well, it would be really disappointing if Raikou's first movie appearance was as an illusion, and it's about time we got to see a real Entei! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:26, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Eh... Copying other site's error all the time... This time PokeBeach. The characters name is '''Kurt''', not "Kuroto". If someone decides to start an article, then it will have to be titled as "Kurt (movie)" or something. But I'm completely AGAINST moving [[Kurt]] to "Kurt (Johto)" or something and making a disambig. The games' Kurt is too major to be disambiged with some random movie guy (movie CotDs are still CotDs). So, a headnote to [[Kurt]] article and the movie character page being titled "Kurt (movie)". But it's NOT "Kuroto". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
::::It's not just copying one other site. The official site for the movie has the same information as well. [[User:Spenfen|Spenfen]] 15:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
To [[User:Maxim|Maxim]] and [[User:Taromon777|Taromon]]: This information is DIRECTLY from the official Pokémon website so it IS true. If you read my entire post you'd see me say this. You can also go to the official site itself. - [[User:050294|050294]] 20:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:I'm NOT saying that the info is fake. I just said that the name is romanized wrong. It's Kurt, not "Kuroto". "Kuroto" is apparently an error made by WPM at PokeBeach. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:37, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
::When movie Kurt gets moved to his English name (assuming they don't keep it Kurt) we can kill the topbar from Kurt's page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Cast update ==

Takanori Jin'nai (陣内孝則) has been revealed [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/news/#100416seiyu here] as playing the voice of Kōdai and Koichi Yamadera (山寺宏一) has been revealed as the voice actor for the character Goon (グーン). Not sure if this is a big enough role to add or not, but Shōko Nakagawa (中川翔子) is Ploof (or however people want to Romanize it) (プルーフ). Can someone please add (at least the first two because they are important characters) those to the 'Cast' chart?.. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 15:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC))
:I've made pages for Goon and Proof, so what remains is to add them to the cast chart. I also added a character called Joe to the template, but I didn't make a page for him because all that's known is that he has the Mightyena. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 02:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, I changed the above to coincide with "Goon" and "Proof". Also, if it helps at all, the person named "Joe" that was mentioned above is [http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9346/joehw.jpg this person] as shown in the latest trailer. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 02:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC))
:::Ah, that's him? Too bad there's not a better image of him, or I could make a page for him as well. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 04:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon List Update! ==

Hey guys (more specifically admins), these Pokémon should be added in the list (they were [http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq93/adyniz/vlcsnap-2010-04-17-15h23m31s246.png revealed] in the latest trailer).
:Abomasnow, Breloom, Cranidos, Doduo, Furret, Gabite, Garchomp, Grotle, Mamoswine, Nidoking, Nidorina, Nidorino, Piloswine, Rampardos, Raticate, Rattata, Rhyhorn, Rhyperior, Sentret, Skuntank, Snover, Stantler, Staravia, Stunky, Swinub, Teddiursa, Torterra, Ursaring, Vigoroth and Zigzagoon.
:Thank you. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 10:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Can someone add something ==

TV Tokyo has stated the Diamond and Pearl series is going to conclude in the fall, so is it safe to put in the article that this is going to be the last Diamond and Pearl movie. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Grammar ==

The wording in the synopsis is a bit misleading, at first glace it looks like it says Zoroark is transforming into Raikou, Entei, Suicune, and Celebi. But the bit about Celebi is a seperate part of the sentence. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 19:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon ==
I see the some ninjask in the 3rd trailer and some Beautyfly in the 4th trailer. I also seen in this image [[File:CoroCoro March 2.jpg|300px]] a Missmagius and a Shuppet. Someone should to add them. [[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
:For clarification, it appears Mismagius and Shuppet are Kōdai's. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:05, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== Chinese (Taiwan) title ==

The title in Taiwanese Chinese is '''幻影之霸者索羅亞克'''. The meaning is the same as in Japanese. Can someone add it? [http://www.my-cartoon.com.tw/pokemon/2010movie.htm Official source]. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:48, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:Done. And it's "的", not "之". [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 04:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

== Cast ==
I'll just copy this from PocketMonsters:

''Koichi Yamadera (山寺宏一) has once again returned to play the part of Gūn (グーン) and Shōko Nakagawa (中川翔子) has returned for her 4th Pocket Monsters movie to play the parts of Proof (プルーフ). Also in attendance were Takanori Jin'nai (陣内孝則) who voices Kōdai (コーダイ), Katō Natsuki (加藤夏希) who voices Rioka and finally Takashi Tsukamoto (塚本高史) who voices Kurt (クルト). '' -- [[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 02:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

== Something to correct in the Trivia section ==

The part where it says "the first time Raikou gets a starring role in a movie" should be referring to ''theatrical'' movies, because of the Legend of Thunder series. (Or at least I think so. Feel free to say why not.)
The only reason I'm not changing it myself is because the page is protected. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 02:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:As far as I'm aware, ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'' is a TV special, as opposed to a full-blown movie. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, so it's not considered a movie here? I don't know, I got the terminology from another site, where they distinguish between theatrical movies and "TV movies", which you call TV specials. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, they're called TV Specials here, so this is the first time Raikou gets a starring role in a movie.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:59, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

==Mightyena==
Why is Mightyena still in comments at the Pokémon it is proved it will appear: http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/keyword/ 7th picture [[User:Bigtukker|Bigtukker]] 18:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon Baccer ==

Is a sport combining Basketball and Soccer. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 01:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
:And what does that have to do with anything?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== When does the movie take place? ==

The trivia states the movie takes place between [[DP183]] and [[DP184]], but that's impossible. During those episodes, the group is at the Sinnoh League. I say we delete that bit of trivia, and wait until later to see when exactly the movie takes place.--[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 23:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
::we should change it to "released between dp 183 and 184" instead of TAKE PLACE between the 2 episodes. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 09:41, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree.--[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 20:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Pre-Order / Pre-Purchase Ticket Bonus? ==

So how exactly does the special bonus work? I heard you buy a colored ticket of either blue, red, or yellow and get that associated Legendary Beast. Can someone explain exactly how this works? Would it also work with an English version of the game or is it a Japanese exclusive? Any info on the Shiny Celebi that is also to come out during the movie? I'm in Japan for the next month and I'm trying to figure this stuff out so I can take advantage of it! Thanks in advanced! =) [[User:Stexe|Stexe]] 05:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny Beasts ==
...confirmed in movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RcnpUO8Fd0

Watch carefully the clip of Zoroark blowing them away with Night Burst at just past one minute, and you can clearly see a Shiny Entei and a Shiny Raikou with a Shiny Suicune in the background. I do believe this marks the first appearance of Shiny Pokémon in a movie since Ash's Noctowl? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 04:38, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== Summary? ==

Why is the summary not updated? The movie is already out, or has no one here yet seen the movie? [[User:Spenfen|Spenfen]] 15:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

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==Name==
I thought I read somewhere that one way of transliterating the name would be “Zoroaaku”... “aku” is “evil”, right?( Note, I am NOT suggestinga pagemoeoranything dumb like that, I can clearly see that the official Romaji is Zoroark, I am just talking about name-origin stuff.) --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 11:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
: Well on {{p|Zorua}}, they've noted that Zorro is Spanish for fox, which is likely the name origin. With {{p|Zoroark}}, it might be combined with either "Dark" or "Aku", and Zorua might be an altered form of that, similar to {{p|Lucario}} and {{p|Riolu}}. I'm pretty sure I read that transliteration too; correct me if I'm wrong, but the only difference in Zorua and Zoroark's names is "aku". [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 13:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
actually i translated it it really says; Aku Zorro... so litteraly Dark/Evil Fox so... [[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 05:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Actually I translated it and ''Japanese does not work that way it's Zoroark this is not debatable''. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
i translated it on google translater so... [[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 05:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::Google translate's known to do that, you know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

==Picture==
I was getting sick of seeing the image which had been ripped out of corocoro with the big rip on it so i put it into photoshop and added the bits that were missing but i dont know how to add it

'''PIC REMOVED'''
:Nice. But see, we are waiting for the official art to come out. It will not take us weeks to get them, I guess. The current image is okay for now. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::WATERMARK = BAD. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 13:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I think we should use this image for now (temporarily). Because its better than the current one on the article and the watermark won't be visible because headers are mostly small. We will change this image when a better picture will be available. What do you think?--♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 13:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::No, because it has a watermark on it. We will wait. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh, okay. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 16:00, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I went back into photoshop and took the watermark off for you i hope its useable now :D - Louispierce

'''PIC REMOVED'''
:::::: Looks OK. --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 00:12, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::: I think it is now supposed to uploaded onto the archives. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Huh? Isn't it already in the archives? I think it should go on the page, now that its ready. Unless, of course, everyone wants to keep the scan from CoroCoro. Spenfen
:::::::::No, this one is on photobucket. It needs to be uploaded to the bulbagarden archives, located [[a:Main Page|here]]. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:21, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes, it is already uploaded on the archives, and has been for a couple days now. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Why was the pic removed?[[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 20:07, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes, why was it removed? Was it because of the new one? [[User:Spenfen|Spenfen]] 12:45, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Weight ==

Weight — 81.1 '''''meters'''''? LOL [[User:Santer|Santer]] 16:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:Lol, I just noticed that thing. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 16:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::I'm allowed to screw up like that. We've had length/length in the TCG before. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:45, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Possibly based on a troll? ==

The face of Zoroark looks to be of a mix of a fox, wolf, and a [[wikipedia:Troll|troll]], due to its devilish smile. The pointed muzzle also reminds me of the [[wikipedia:Tengu|tengu's]]. - [[User:050294|050294]] 19:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe, but I think it is probably about 95% based on a {{wp|kitsune}}. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Well, of course. I just thought this tidbit of info would be a nice addition to the origins section. - [[User:050294|050294]] 20:37, 11 February 2010

== Interwiki link to Pokéteca ==

There's an article about Zoroark on [[:es:Zoroark|Pokéteca]] now, so can someone who has the ability to edit this article add in the interwiki link? I'd do it myself, but since it's protected... --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 05:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:That sounds like a good idea --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']]

== Height/weight ==

i noticed that when you convert all of the pokemon's height/weight convert the length in meter to feet and inches it is the same as the us amount. So why doesn't it have it on the page? Zoroark's is 5'03" and it weighs 178lbs 13oz...[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 04:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Because there's no official height/weight as dictated by NoA yet. That's why I have the meters- and kilograms-only way: because if we don't know what way Nintendo's gonna round it when converting to English weights, then we can't put it in. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::For the height at least, NoA ALWAYS rounds the same way... ''all'' 1.6m Pokemon have been localized as 5'03". [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
see {{tt|someone agrees with me|and that's a rare occasion}}[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 06:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Sh, Ume, you're making me look bad in front of the users. You're supposed to unquestioningly support me. D: '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
look who's full of himself[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 06:25, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Look who missed the joke. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 16:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
look who's a jerk[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 21:41, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:look who's blocked --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 21:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Egg cycles and EV Yield ==

How do we know that there is only one egg cycle? Also, instead of 0 default EVs, shouldn't they be ? each? I dunno the specifics of unknown pokemon, but I really think it would be more practical to just mark '''all''' unknown characteristics as a ? --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 07:26, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree. [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 15:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Default is default. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== New images ==

Some new high-quality images of Zorua and Zoroark have been added to Pokémon-movie.jp, including anime pictures and the full Ken Sugimori artwork. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:12, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:In case you haven't noticed, the header pic on this article is exactly the same one on pokemon movie site. I mean, the users have already uploaded those pics. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 12:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, does that mean I didn't need to upload this? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't talking about this one. I was talking about the header image of this article (Header means the main image of this article). The image that you uploaded is also a good one and we can use it for their movie appearance. This one is looking good but try to upload images with '''png''' instead of '''PNG''' extension next time. Thank you. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 12:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::::They are anime arts. Only Sugimori arts are to be placed in the Pokémon article. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, we can use it for their MOVIE APPEARANCE in the future. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 12:39, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Redirect "Z" to Zoroark ==

Shouldn't we make Z a redirect to Zoroark because some people don't know about Zoroark? Spenfen
:I don't agree with you. That Z was used for the movie' purpose only, Z doesn't mean Zoroark (if we talk generally). So, I don't think that we should redirect it. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 17:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::I actually think that is a good idea, in case someone hasn't heard the real name. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== The Werewolf Pokemon ==

Zoroa is based entirely on a [[wikipedia:Wolf|wolf]] cub rather than a Fox cub, whilst it's evolved form is based on a [[wikipedia:Werewolf|werewolf]] for it's posture, and is a common use of name for this kind of creature. - [[User:Cynthia149|''Cynthia149'']] 07:32, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:Um... no? It's a fox, this is not really debatable. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

== The new picture ==

The new version of the Zoroark image that has been uploaded doesn't look that great. It may be bigger than the older version but it's lower quality and distorted around the edges. I'd revert it but I'm not really sure how. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 16:33, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:Ya sure, I will help you. Just open [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Zoroark.png this link] and click on the '''revert button''' on the image which you want to use instead of current one and done. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 16:38, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::Oh of course, I should have noticed that! Thanks. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 17:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I've just reverted it but it still looks the same, does it just take a while to update? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 18:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::::You have to refresh. ;) Sometimes you just have to refresh on the actual image and everything updates. Sometimes it shows the old picture, but the new dimensions, so it stretches. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:35, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes that's what happened. Looks fine now though. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 21:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

==Pokemon Sunday==

Is there any information on today's Pokemon Sunday. Isn't there suppost to be info on Zoroark? [[User:Crazylegs24]] 19:44, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

==Isn't Zoroark the Monster Fox Pokemon?==

I Thought Zoroark was the Monster Fox Pokemon and Zorua was the Evil Fox Pokemon. Aren't they? Because there have been a lot of sites that say so.[[User:Alpha`s Arceus|Alpha`s Arceus]] 21:34, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:We use our own translations over blindly copypasting from all the other sites... so it might be different, but arguably a little more accurate. :x ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 21:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
::↑What Tina said. There was a lot of thought and debate over what would be the best translations for their species names, and these were the results. We are not changing them to correspond with every other fansite out there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 21:44, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gallery? ==

Should we add a gallery? Plenty of art has been released. [[User:Spenfen|Spenfen]] 12:47, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

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<big><big><big>'''REMEMBER, THE BULBAGARDEN FORUMS HAVE A [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=392 GENERATION V FORUM] NOW. NO SPECULATION HERE PLEASE.'''</big></big></big>

MAKE SURE THAT YOU PUT CONFIRMED STUFF ONLY. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:23, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

==Any References?==
With the impending release of [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver]] in America, can someone keep an eye out for any in-game references to Gen. V? Much appreciated. [[User:The Jigglypuff Ninja|The Jigglypuff Ninja]] 01:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:I doubt there are any references to Gen V in HGSS. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::And I ''highly'' doubt that NoA would change the script to add such references in. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Any references will probably be in the new Ranger game. Although the Lock Capsule is probably related to something in Generation V.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 01:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It's a Gen IV event item. Likely gonna be for a Gen IV event. Think: what hasn't been released yet? Could be Celebi... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::At the risk of dragging this out too far (this is quickly becoming something that'd fit on the forums), hackers would have found a Celebi Event in the coding, but no one has. Add in that PokeBeach reports that it seems to have similar transfer data as the Manaphy Egg, and it seems like it's supposed to be transferred out of HGSS into a new game... but I digress. We have no proof either way.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 05:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::The question is... how would it be obtained in the first place? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

==Jumping the Gun a bit?==
Are you guys sure we aren't looking into this a bit too far? All we have for clues are that they announced a new game and a new *something*. Not to mention it says it's gonna be new on the DS. What's to be sure of all of that? For all we know, the new game could be MindCrystal, the silhouette could be a new Forme like the last 5 that were announced. The new game could be a wii sequel to Pokemon XD:Gale of Darkness. If we can't even have Pokemon evolved editing pages when they're in the titles of episodes, why can we just up and announce a new generation? I mean, Pokebeach even said the silhouette isn't Z, what makes anyone certain it's Generation V?[[User:SLE_aman|SLE_]][[User:SLE_aman/talk|aman]] 11:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:What does Pokebeach have to do with anything? We know this is Gen V because Masuda SAID it is a new Pokémon. Nothing in this article says that this Pokémon is Z. Because we don't know that. All we know is that it is a new Pokémon. To think otherwise... well, you're in denial big time. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::The original announcement talked about the popularity of Diamond and Pearl before saying this game will be set in a new region with new Pokémon. What more evidence do you need? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, technically, the RPG announcement never explicitly said it would be main series. Even though Generation V Pokémon were hinted, it was never explicitly said that it was the full-fledged generation. It also never explicitly said it would be a pair, either. There are RPGs other than the main series, and they could use a side-series RPG to give Generation V-based cameos to increase anticipation for the full-fledged generation to come at a later date (much like Mystery Dungeon 1 did). Recent announcements pretty much excludes the possibility of it being a Ranger 4, but it's still possible that it could be a Mystery Dungeon 5 or something completely different than anything we've seen before. My [[$1|2¢]]: Odds are the TBA 2010 thing is not for the full-fledged Generation V. Especially if the RPG announcement turns out to be for a single. They've faked us out before, and even if the silhouette does turn out legitimate, it's probably still too early to be thinking full-fledged Generation V. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

::::Actually, I've seen a subb'ed version. Masuda specifically said "We're working on a new generation of pokémon" --[[User:Camzoman]]
::::Yeah. And nowhere in that did it explicitly say that was the TBA 2010 project. They can be working on a new generation of Pokémon, yet still announce and release side games relating mainly to the previous generation. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Camzoman, where exactly did you see this subbed version? I did not hear Masuda mention a "new generation" anywhere in the video - what he said was "we're developing a brand-new work for Pokemon." However, I don't think there's any denying at this point that it is indeed the new generation. The [http://www.corocoro.tv/pokerelease/index.html Corocoro site] doesn't seem to be implying that this is a side game (not that Game Freak makes side games to begin with). It's a new version(s), with a new setting, new Pokemon, new features... sounds like a new generation to me. :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Japanese doesn't have a plural so the "he only said one" argument doesn't hold. [[n:New Pokémon RPG announced|Just look at the information we have]]. It's obviously Generation V. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Anyway, the CoroCoro scans for Zoroark fit the silhouette from Pokémon Sunday.--[[User:Crazylegs24]]

== Why is this page protected? ==
Why is this page protected? --[[User:?????|Any]] [[User talk:?????|Questions]][[User:?????|?????]] 18:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Think about it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough*Speculation*cough* [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Because someone is 100% likely going to put what they think the new Pokémon is, probably saying it's Mightyena's evolution or something, if it isn't protected. That is speculation, something that isn't allowed here in the mainspace. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It is not a good sign when a question like this needs to be asked.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 22:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::That against us or against the users who'd make crappy speculative edits? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's against users who don't realise why it should be protected...--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::...same thing? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Arguable.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 13:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Would it not be better to make this page "semi-protected" so that only established users can edit? There are plenty of established users who are not administrators, whom I'm sure would want to contribute to such a monumental article. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 09:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:That wouldn't stop speculation from incurring. If you have any confirmed evidence, ask for it here.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Generation V Pokémon Infobox, anyone? ==

I know you'll probably all find this pointless, but I decided to throw together a [[Template:PokémonInfoboxGenV|temporary infobox]] to use for the Generation V Pokémon articles. It's basically a stripped-down version of the regular infobox that leaves out all the fields for any technical stuff (Egg groups, EXP yield, Gender ratios, etc.) that's unlikely to be revealed until ''Pokémon V'' comes out later this year. I also created a [[User:Quagbert/Z (Pokémon)|user-subpage for the silhouetted mystery Pokémon]] that uses a [[Template:PokémonInfoboxGenVNoncat|non-categorizing version]] of this template.

''Thanks to {{u|PsychicRider}} for making me aware of the original non-categorizing Pokémon infobox.'' [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 00:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Masamitsu Hidaka==

Should [[Masamitsu Hidaka]] be mentioned since that interview kind of confirmed Generation V? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Unlink ==

Can somebody please unlink "Generation V Pokémon"? It's a redlink right now. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== This just in! ==

Serebii.net just confirmed the first two Fifth Generation Pokémon! Go check it out! :) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 14:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii.net didn't. Leaked scans did. Also, the first one was already revealed. The second one was revealed to be before it in their evolutionary line. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think yu're probably going to need to find this information from another source. It seems like the users here have some sort of vendetta against Serebii.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 14:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It is officially confirmed. It was from a different source. It was from scans. You can see bulbanews's draft. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::We don't have any vendetta against Serebii. He just isn't the source in this case - CoroCoro is. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Either way, it's confirmed right? I'd love to update the page, but it's locked. *ahem*
''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'' [[User:Chosen|-]] 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

[[File:CoroCoro March 1.jpg|thumb]]

Here's the picture! --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 15:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright, these two Pokémon have been offically confirmed by the leaked CoroCoro scans, but apparently it's still considered too early to put up the Bulbapedia articles for them. Is there some additional form of conformation that we're waiting for?

Anyway, I already have {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}} in my userspace ready to be moved to the main space when we're finally allowed to do so. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's probably due to lack of information. I assume that when its ability/abilities and/or base stats are revealed it will be moved. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::IIRC, none of that sort of information (especially base stats) was revealed for the Generation IV Pokémon until the actual release of Diamond/Pearl, or shortly before, though we still had mainspace articles for them anyway. This means it'd be months before we move Zorua/Zoroark into the mainspace. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, according to serebii, they're supposed to be revealed next month. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Related Pokémon ==

On the page, it says that it has noteable links with the Riolu and Poochyena families. If it's definitely pure dark type then just ignore this, but couldn't it be an alternative to the Vulpix family? --[[User:Herachu|Herachu]] 22:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
: I agree. --[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]

== New Pokémon template ==

Based partly on the {{template|DP episode}} template, I've decided to make a [[Template:NewPokémon|new Pokémon template]] to use the next time a new Pokémon is revealed. The code would go like this:
<pre>
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|Jp. Katakana name|Romanized Jp. name|
typen= (number of types) |
type1= (first type) |
type2= (second type) |
pron= (name's pronunciation) |
jspecies= (species in Japanese) |
species= (species, aka "____ Pokémon")
image= (filename of image) |
caption= (caption for said image) |
height-m= (height in meters) |
weight-kg= (weight in kilograms) |
prev= (previous Pokémon's (i.e. pre-evolution) name, Arceus by default) |
prevnum= (previous Pokémon's National Dex #, 493 by default) |
next= (next Pokémon's (i.e. evolved form) name, Bulbasaur by default) |
nextnum= (next Pokémon's National Dex #, 001 by default) |
}}
</pre>
Those who want to use this template for their own userspace should replace "main" in the top line with "user", so that those user sub-pages aren't categorized with the genuine Pokémon articles in the main space. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Take away part in introduction ==

It says that it is unknown whether the new games will be contemporaneous with any of the other games. I beg to differ. Pokemon Sunday officially stated that Zoroark lives in a "New Area". Or is it just saying that it is unknown whether it will be possible to travel to another region? Spenfen

Talk:Zoroark (Pokémon)/Archive 1

2010-02-15T17:14:46Z

Spenfen: /* Redirect "Z" to Zoroark */ new section

==Name==
I thought I read somewhere that one way of transliterating the name would be “Zoroaaku”... “aku” is “evil”, right?( Note, I am NOT suggestinga pagemoeoranything dumb like that, I can clearly see that the official Romaji is Zoroark, I am just talking about name-origin stuff.) --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 11:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
: Well on {{p|Zorua}}, they've noted that Zorro is Spanish for fox, which is likely the name origin. With {{p|Zoroark}}, it might be combined with either "Dark" or "Aku", and Zorua might be an altered form of that, similar to {{p|Lucario}} and {{p|Riolu}}. I'm pretty sure I read that transliteration too; correct me if I'm wrong, but the only difference in Zorua and Zoroark's names is "aku". [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 13:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
actually i translated it it really says; Aku Zorro... so litteraly Dark/Evil Fox so... [[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 05:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Actually I translated it and ''Japanese does not work that way it's Zoroark this is not debatable''. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
i translated it on google translater so... [[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 05:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::Google translate's known to do that, you know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

==Picture==
I was getting sick of seeing the image which had been ripped out of corocoro with the big rip on it so i put it into photoshop and added the bits that were missing but i dont know how to add it

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff225/louispierce/Zoroark-Watermark-1.png
:Nice. But see, we are waiting for the official art to come out. It will not take us weeks to get them, I guess. The current image is okay for now. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::WATERMARK = BAD. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 13:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I think we should use this image for now (temporarily). Because its better than the current one on the article and the watermark won't be visible because headers are mostly small. We will change this image when a better picture will be available. What do you think?--♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 13:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::No, because it has a watermark on it. We will wait. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:58, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Oh, okay. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 16:00, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I went back into photoshop and took the watermark off for you i hope its useable now :D - Louispierce

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff225/louispierce/Zoroark.png
:::::: Looks OK. --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 00:12, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::: I think it is now supposed to uploaded onto the archives. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:14, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Huh? Isn't it already in the archives? I think it should go on the page, now that its ready. Unless, of course, everyone wants to keep the scan from CoroCoro. Spenfen
:::::::::No, this one is on photobucket. It needs to be uploaded to the bulbagarden archives, located [[a:Main Page|here]]. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:21, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes, it is already uploaded on the archives, and has been for a couple days now. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Weight ==

Weight — 81.1 '''''meters'''''? LOL [[User:Santer|Santer]] 16:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:Lol, I just noticed that thing. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 16:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::I'm allowed to screw up like that. We've had length/length in the TCG before. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:45, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Possibly based on a troll? ==

The face of Zoroark looks to be of a mix of a fox, wolf, and a [[wikipedia:Troll|troll]], due to its devilish smile. The pointed muzzle also reminds me of the [[wikipedia:Tengu|tengu's]]. - [[User:050294|050294]] 19:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe, but I think it is probably about 95% based on a {{wp|kitsune}}. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:35, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Well, of course. I just thought this tidbit of info would be a nice addition to the origins section. - [[User:050294|050294]] 20:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't know much about trolls, but his mischievous smile certainly stands out to me. Maybe he'll be a big prankster?(I am really new, if I messed something up, or I'm not supposed to be here, just let me know) {{unsigned|PichuMaster}}
:::Well, {{tt|I'm not quite an expert|even though I've been here for almost a year}}, but always remember to sign your talk page comments with four {{tt|squiggly line thingeys|~}}, or press the signature button above the header. Thanks :) (I would post this on your talk page if the server didn't have an error every time I hit the history button. --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 00:29, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I thought they were a species not a single Pokémon. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Gen1king! Like this right? --[[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 02:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:Anyways, back on topic. The mischievous smile is a common trait of trolls and tengus, as well as some demons. The claws of Zoroark are also similar to a ground troll's, [[wikipedia:Badger|badger's]], or [[wikipedia:Shrew|shrew's]]. Anyone with access to the page want to add it? I find it interesting. Now, what could the green pearl possibly symbolize... - [[User:050294|050294]] 03:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
It might be worth note that when I saw the picture, his claws immediately looked like Latios's. Anyone else think so to? [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 20:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe, but that's just an opinion, which doesn't belong on the page. --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 07:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Interwiki link to Pokéteca ==

There's an article about Zoroark on [[:es:Zoroark|Pokéteca]] now, so can someone who has the ability to edit this article add in the interwiki link? I'd do it myself, but since it's protected... --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 05:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:That sounds like a good idea --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']]

== Eye color ==
I think the different eye colors should be mentioned. On the artwork it has green eyes, where in the movie the eyes are blue (or vice-versa, I'm not sure)
:Uh... no, I don't think that's notable. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 06:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::Last time I checked, the movie's not out until July. Wait for the real release. Nothing to note there yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
plus look at the other color differences in the pics[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 04:50, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Trivias, please add this to the trivia section ==

Me and my friend noticed that Zoroark has a similar colorations except yellow as [[Roark]] especially its hair color, also Zoroark contains the name or Roark in its name and sharing the same snout and nose from that of Lucario... this may explain that each are counterparts of their own Generations. Hope we helped"[[Arceus (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Arceus: To A Conquering Space-Time|☆]]" 10:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:No. Roark's hair is a different color, and Roark's Japanese name isn't "Roark", but "Hyouta" or something. The Lucario-thing is a bit of a stretch too, really, although they can be compared in other ways already described in the article. [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 10:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::Undoubtedly, though, this'll have the same English name as Japanese. Unless Roark appears in Gen V and says "O HAY THIS POKEYMAN HAS A SIMILAR NAME TO ME" that's dumb. Plus, this is ZO-RO-ARK, not ZO-ROARK. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:42, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

==Biology==
I don't know if it's true, but the movie makes it look like Zoroark can make illusions. (that's what Movie 13 is about right?) Could someone post on the page about that? [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 00:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's not 100% confirmed that Zoroark makes illusions. And that seems to be the criteria anything has to meet to get on this page, 100% confirmation. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 05:23, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
yeah we'll see Sunday 14.[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 06:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I realized that "Physiology" wasn't the right term for the question I asked so I changed the title. [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 14:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Height/weight ==

i noticed that when you convert all of the pokemon's height/weight convert the length in meter to feet and inches it is the same as the us amount. So why doesn't it have it on the page? Zoroark's is 5'03" and it weighs 178lbs 13oz...[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 04:57, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Because there's no official height/weight as dictated by NoA yet. That's why I have the meters- and kilograms-only way: because if we don't know what way Nintendo's gonna round it when converting to English weights, then we can't put it in. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::For the height at least, NoA ALWAYS rounds the same way... ''all'' 1.6m Pokemon have been localized as 5'03". [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
see {{tt|someone agrees with me|and that's a rare occasion}}[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 06:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Sh, Ume, you're making me look bad in front of the users. You're supposed to unquestioningly support me. D: '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
look who's full of himself[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 06:25, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Look who missed the joke. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 16:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
look who's an ass[[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 21:41, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:look who's blocked --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 21:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Egg cycles and EV Yield ==

How do we know that there is only one egg cycle? Also, instead of 0 default EVs, shouldn't they be ? each? I dunno the specifics of unknown pokemon, but I really think it would be more practical to just mark '''all''' unknown characteristics as a ? --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 07:26, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree. [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 15:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Default is default. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Something to add to Trivia ==

To the "Due to its debut...Generation IV" part. I think it should be added that unlike Lucario, it was revealed at the same time as its pre-evolution. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 15:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== New images ==

Some new high-quality images of Zorua and Zoroark have been added to Pokémon-movie.jp, including anime pictures and the full Ken Sugimori artwork. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:12, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:In case you haven't noticed, the header pic on this article is exactly the same one on pokemon movie site. I mean, the users have already uploaded those pics. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 12:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, does that mean I didn't need to upload this? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't talking about this one. I was talking about the header image of this article (Header means the main image of this article). The image that you uploaded is also a good one and we can use it for their movie appearance. This one is looking good but try to upload images with '''png''' instead of '''PNG''' extension next time. Thank you. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 12:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::::They are anime arts. Only Sugimori arts are to be placed in the Pokémon article. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 12:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, we can use it for their MOVIE APPEARANCE in the future. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 12:39, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Redirect "Z" to Zoroark ==

Shouldn't we make Z a redirect to Zoroark because some people don't know about Zoroark? Spenfen

Talk:M13

2010-02-12T01:45:26Z

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Talk:Zoroark (Pokémon)/Archive 1

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Talk:Zoroark (Pokémon)/Archive 1

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User talk:Sketch

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== Administrator Status ==

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You've been assumed as currently active and are already marked as such, but if you disagree with this, either edit the [[Bulbapedia:Administrators#List_of_administrators|List of administrators]] to reflect your status (Active, Hiatus, Inactive), or reply here when you get the chance.

Also, FIRST COMMENT WOO --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 16:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why yes, I am still here. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 16:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== Dawn's Buneary ==

I said it wears it all the time except for battles. It's like how Ash's Squirtle wears glasses when he is in battle.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 00:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Can I replace tHIS Alex Davis image with one OF THESES? ==

[[Image:AlexDavis1.jpg‎]] [[Image:Alex_Davis51.jpg‎]] [[Image:AlexDavis0.jpg]] [[User:Lindsayoris15|Lindsayoris15]] 14:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
:http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Lindsayoris15#Final_warning -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:06, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Hey! ==

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 03:32, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

== Link Templates ==
Please use link templates when linking to stuff such as Pokémon names, attacks, and the like. For example, <nowiki>{{p|Pikachu}}</nowiki> instead of just <nowiki>[[Pikachu]]</nowiki>. This is so you don't unintentionally link to a disambiguation page.

For a full crash course on link templates, look at the {{bp|list of link templates}}. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Lucario ==

OK. Those squeezed images were horrendous, I wanted to replace them with the unsqueezed images. I liked those images I put on that page, and note that I didn't take off the one you put on, either. But it's whatever now. [[User:Hmdwgf|Hmdwgf]] 22:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:You shoved three images into an article for no reason. That's hardly necessary for an article. I'm sorry you're not happy with it. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 03:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

== Can I replace Ash's Primeape image with this? ==

[[Image:Ash's Primeape.jpg]] [[User:Lindsayoris15|Lindsayoris15]] 14:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
:It has discoloring, it's grainy and it's not PNG...if those things didn't exist, then yes, but in this case, no. Why is it that you only post on my talk page to ask about image changes yet you never respond to our questions as to why you don't save things in PNG? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

== That photo is good enough ==
This is the reason . You cant get a better one.--[[User:Prongs|Prongs]][[User talk:Prongs|Talk]] 11:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:Of course you can get a better picture. What kind of stupid way of thinking is that? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:Mareeep havent got a lot of episodes to choose form. Most are just the same or with other Pokémon.--[[User:Prongs|Prongs]][[User talk:Prongs|Talk]] 11:06, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::It just needs to be a picture of Mareep. That's all. Your logic is flawed. It was in an episode of the Wallace cup. Or at most it just needs to be a higher quality screenshot from that episode. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:07, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Ding Dong the photo is under in the anime portion.So it does not need any photo of mareep.--[[User:Prongs|Prongs]][[User talk:Prongs|Talk]] 11:12, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I got that covered.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:14, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::What do you mean by I got that covered? --[[User:Prongs|Prongs]][[User talk:Prongs|Talk]] 11:16, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::: Check [[Mareep (Pokémon)#anime|Mareep's page]].--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Good work sir! Thanks! Now, Prongs, the point of the "Bad picture" template is to notify that a picture needs '''replaced'''. The picture of Mareep needed replaced, and thanks to Force Fire, we got a better one. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::All right we should close the topic but still dont see much difference in the pictures. --[[User:Prongs|Prongs]][[User talk:Prongs|Talk]] 11:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::That's because you lack the ability to see what's wrong with it. It's small and grainy from being saved as a JPG. This new image is big, clean, and saved as a PNG. There is no "closing" of a topic. This isn't a forum. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

==Ambipom Picture==

I'm confused, I thought we wanted pictures with their trainer in the picture? People basically chewed me out over this a few months ago. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 15:40, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== Okay... ==

That picture of [[Misty]]'s OS outfit appears in [[List of clothing in the anime|this article]] as a completely different image. In the article, it appears as a pic of Misty, {{TP|Misty|Togepi}}, and {{AP|Pikachu}}. EDIT: It just occured to me that it appears like this in Misty's article as well. When you click the image, it comes up as a completely different image, and it is UGLY. I want that changed to how in appears in the article. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|Listen closely...]]''' 01:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe it's just me...but I see nothing wrong there... -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::No, I mean it appears in those two articles as a pic of Misty, Togepi, and Pikachu, but click on the image, and your result is something pixelly and HIDEOUS. How can it be changed to how it looks in those two articles? --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|Listen closely...]]''' 12:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Again...I see nothing wrong when you look at the image itself. It looks fine in the article and on the file itself. I see nothing "hideous". -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:28, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmmm... maybe it's just because I'm using Safari. :| Still, it's confusing how it's one image at one moment and then another one when you click it. You're the image expert here, so you must know how to fix it.--'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|Listen closely...]]''' 18:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can't fix it if I don't see a problem, you see... -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 21:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::So, when you click the image on one of those two articles, it comes up as the same image? If so, then this Safari is an epic failure... I want Firefox... --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|FREE BIRD!!]]''' 12:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Then get it? Discussions with the staff have revealed this is probably a cache problem...try clearing it first. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks. ;) ...{{tt|How do I empty the cache?|god i'm an idiot...}} --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|FREE BIRD!!]]''' 03:45, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Depending upon your web browser. if your on safari, just click up safari, empty cache. if your on IE then its delete history, then empty cache.[[User:DCM]] 00:39, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::IT WORKS! Thank you, Sketch. Thank you also, DCM. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|FREE BIRD!!]]''' 11:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Alright, great, glad I could help. Now, I don't want anymore edits in this topic. D: -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

== I have another problem... ==

This file [[File:Pearlanime.PNG]] won't show up on a certain usertag on my page. I've tried every available size for it (of course, a size that doesn't make the tag look ugly), but it doesn't show up on the tag. (Also tried clearing the cache. Didn't work.) --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|FREE BIRD!!]]''' 04:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

:Which tag? It may help to know which tag you're trying to put the image on...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

::Do you happen to have "Error creating thumbnail:" displayed instead of the picture? [[User:Yohrd|Yohrd]] 14:17, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:::@Pikablu - The tag says "This user loves Barry." @Yohrd: Yes, that's what I got. --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|FREE BIRD!!]]''' 20:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Well this is an issue that is quite common for thumbnailed pictures. It is believed to be something to do with the relatively recent move to dual servers. The problem is, if you try to resize the picture under a certain threshold (which is different for each picture...), you get the error message. We'll have to be patient until a solution is found. [[User:Yohrd|Yohrd]] 09:37, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Until then, I'll just put {{ga|Pearl|his game counterpart}}'s sprite on the tag. (Tomorrow, b/c I've already made four userspace edits.) --'''[[User:Alpha Totodile|Alpha]] [[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|Totodile]][[User Talk:Alpha Totodile|FREE BIRD!!]]''' 11:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

==Battle Sequences==
The reason I'm taking off the battle sequences is because the Major events section is not supposed to summarize every bit of the episode. If you check the source for Template:DP Episode, you'll see the hidden text. I'm following this because of what happened in [[DP127]]. Besides, the synopsis should cover most of the battles. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 23:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:I just found out about this. Sorry about the confusion. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. Personally, I would rather keep the battle documents until a complete synopsis is written. But that's just me.--[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 23:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Although I am an advocate of going the extra mile to get information, I like the summaries because...you know..."tl;dr (too long; didn't read)" -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

== Vandals ==

Check the recent changes. Quickly. --Posted by [[User:Pikamander2|Pikamander2]] [[User Talk:Pikamander2|(Talk)]] at 12:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Talk:Poké Ball ==

I'd understand your point regarding the removal if the information I asked for was in the article. There is, however, no mention of it when I tried to look for it - so I was asking both so I could know and so it could be added on the page. I'm aware of Bulbapedia's talk page policy, no need to remind about that, in my opinion the question was related to the page itself. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:Fine, don't answer then. It's very easy to ignore a random comment on a talk page, I know. FYI, I found the answer to my question from GameFAQs, though, and saw that the idea I got was wrong, so I've got no reason to ask it again. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 10:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't see it as something for the article....it looked like you were asking about trading in general. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
::::That's okay :p I found out that it's the Classic Ribbon that restricts trading, not Cherish Ball, so after all I think there's really nothing to add on the article. :] '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 11:05, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== Move ==

Could you move [[:a:File:Pokemonbox.png|this]] please? It's the screen for sending a Pokémon to the PokéWalker, not the PC. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 13:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:What do you want me to move it to? What name? [[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 13:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::I guess ''HGSS send PokéWalker'' would be fine. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 13:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::Please change the official site link in HGSS to [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/]. Thanks. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 13:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS Silver ==

Should it's new sprite be added to the page?--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 16:40, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:Silver is a boy. Not an it. D: Yeah, [[image:HGSS Silver Clean.png]]. Use this one. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 16:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

::Yo. Can you make it 64x64 instead of 45x65? I need it for the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Rocket_Admin_Hunter_Blade/Sandbox#SILVER templates.] D: '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:40, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:The sprite is 65 pixels tall. It's going to get cut off by a row. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::Gah! Why does it keep going from 45x65 to 80x80? D: '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Because Kogoro told me to make it 80x80. D: -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Can't you get rid of the 45x65? It messes up the templates... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'm trying but it's not working. .-. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 18:00, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Upload another? But then we'd have 3... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:01, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::My Silver should be the only sprite...in any case, I'll re-upload it, but I can't do 64 x 64. So tell me what size to make it. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 18:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Kogoro says to leave the 80x80, go to the image itself, click on the sprite, then hard refresh it. then purge any page the sprite is on. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 18:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll do that. Because the May ones are 64x64... along with Brendan. The GenIV ones are 80x80... and then Wally and Blue/Green are also 64x64... I guess with the templates 80x80 would work, but I need to get it to stop going back to 45x65 or it'll be screwed. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
:Done. It should be fine now. I'll go try... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Ugh... ==

Why did you do that to the HGSS gallery? Not all of us have 1280x1024!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 01:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Not really my fault...but there; it's fixed. Removed some images. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:29, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==

Can I borrow your talk archive template? (With some modifications of course.) --'''[[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|α]][[User:Alpha Totodile|ワニ]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|ノコ]]''' 00:20, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:Go for it. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 00:20, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. Also, since my archive is protected, could you please add the template in that page? Thanks in advance. --'''[[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|α]][[User:Alpha Totodile|ワニ]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|ノコ]]''' 00:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== The Secret Key talk page ==

What'd it say to do to send to a friend? I can't seem to find it.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 19:30, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:It's a Wireless transfer. Meaning in person. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 19:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::I know. How, though.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']]* [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' was here at 19:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
==Newb help==
Since I'm new here, I've been sticking to ''very'' minor edits, but when I tried to fix some grammar/spelling errors on [[Electric (type)]], I got logged off whenever I tried to save my edits, and told i couldn't edit at all even tough I have all the requirements. Any idea why this is happening?

== Johto BF ==

{{tt|Sketch, do we really need a johto BF page so early?|i've asked this b4, but no1 answered me.}} I mean, barely an info about it was released. How about {{tt|u|or any other administrator}} [[Battle Frontier (Johto)|protect this page]]? [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 01:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC) ps. liek the new siggy? 

==Sprite Trivia==
* The {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} sprite is the only one not to show a smiling Clefable, though its {{game|Platinum}} sprite depicts it as smiling as previous games did. '''-Clefable's Page'''
*The colors used in Smoochum's [[Generation II]] {{shiny2}} sprite are the colors used in the normal-colored sprites afterwards, similar to {{p|Elekid}}, {{p|Machop}}, and, to a lesser degree, {{p|Aipom}}. '''-Smoochum's Page'''
* Kangaskhan is one of the few Pokémon to have more than one Pokémon in its sprite. The others include {{p|Slowbro}}, {{p|Slowking}}, and {{p|Mantine}}. Though some may say Kangaskhan does not count since the baby Kangaskhan is not a separate evolutionary stage. '''-Kangaskhan's Page.'''

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

More like I have news for you! :P {{unsigned|WeedleMaster}}
:The first one is useless sprite trivia IMO, but the others may be OK. And remember to sign your comments on talk pages with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), this was already mentioned in your welcome message (I hope you already read it through). '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 06:21, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
:We are in the process of removing sprite trivia. There is no need to point out what can already be seen in the sprite section. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Kazunari>Khorey ==

You missed one on Lyra's page; the one that links, too. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Immewnity}} ([[User talk:Immewnity|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|contribs]]) ''

== Zoroark ==

I see you protected Zoroark from being created. The reason given is "speculation crackdown". I don't think you're up to date on the latest news. Zoroark was officially confirmed in the February 15 issue of CoroCoro. Can you tell me whether you knew this and there was a different reason? I'm very curious. Spenfen

Talk:Articuno (Pokémon)

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Does anyone have any info on this "anka" that Articuno is supposedly based off? The info I've found says it has nothing to do with ice, more like a phoenix or a roc --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 07:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

==Lower level moves==

OK i figure asking here is as good as place as any... In games like the generation III how is it that Articuno learns moves at levels like level 13 (Mist) when it is encountered at a much higher level? It can`t be bred or anything to produce a lower level 1. As well how do pokemon start with more than 4 moves work? [[User:D558|D558]] 10:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:You can hack them at level 1, and they do have data that you can read without that, because Nintendo was smart enough to realize that people might hack, or that the game might glitch and give people a level 1 Articuno, and there would need to be a moveset. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Move Relearner...--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex=The magnificent seemingly translucent wings of this legendary bird Pokémon are said to be made of ice.</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:49, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

== Apparently Incorrect Name Origin ==

OK, so I was just reading the name origin, and I noticed that "arctic" is defined as "corrupted". What on earth is that supposed to mean? Doesn't arctic have to do with the north polar region (ice) of earth? Spenfen

The King of Almia and the Three Princes

2010-01-18T13:33:53Z

Spenfen: /* Trivia */

'''The King of Almia and the Three Princes''' is a folktale in [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]].

==Story==
Legend has it that long ago, even before it was filled with snow, [[Almia Castle]] was ruled by a king with three sons. The king wanted peace for [[Almia]] but his vigorous sons changed all this. He banished all three of his sons. One in red went to a [[Volcano Cave|volcano]]. One in yellow went to [[Haruba Desert|a desert]]. The youngest prince, one in blue, was allowed to stay. Over the years, the king felt guilty over his decision. Eventually, this caused darkness to consume him, forming the Shadow Crystal.

==Tears of Princes==
The Tears of Princes are a set of gems formed by the sons. They are written about in Brighton Hall's diary at the Altru Ruins in the [[Chroma Highlands]]. The diary is discovered by the player and [[Sven]] after finding the Shadow Crystal had been removed from the [[Chroma Ruins]].

When all three gems are placed near the Shadow Crystal, they neutralize the darkness inside it, turning it into the Luminous Crystal instead. Due to this, the [[Sinis Trio]] attempt to secure at least one of the gems to prevent the power of the Shadow Crystal from being weakened.

Shards from the the gems have the same effect but only at a lower level. These shards are apparently turned to pendants by some people, unknown of their true origin. Some examples would be several people who work at the [[Ranger Union]] that have these pendants. [[Linda]] and [[Rhythmi]] were given shards from the Red and Yellow Gems by Sven respectively. [[Murph]] obtained his blue one from his father who works at the [[Shiver Camp]]. These shards glow when they are near a shard from the Shadow Crystal. Like the gems, when three of the shards are together, they make the Dark Shard luminous.

===Blue Gem===
The Blue Gem is a teardrop-shaped gem, and can be described as a bumpy {{Badge|Cascade}}. It is found in [[Almia Castle]] and is guarded by a {{p|Lucario}}. Before the {{player}} can battle Lucario for the Blue Gem, they must battle [[Sinis Trio|Ice]] and his {{p|Froslass}} first. After he is defeated, two {{p|Riolu}} are required to destroy a barrier to reach Lucario. Sven flies around with it during Operation Brighton.

===Red Gem===
The Red Gem is a sun-shaped gem that is found in the right entrance of [[Volcano Cave]]. It is guarded by a {{p|Heatran}}, but first, the player must defeat two Team Dim Sun Crimson Unit Admins and their {{p|Monferno}}. Then, [[Sinis Trio|Lavana]] will get involved and send an {{p|Infernape}} to fight. It must be captured to be able to battle Heatran, who will give the Red Gem when it is defeated. Wendy flies around with it during Operation Brighton.

===Yellow Gem===
[[Image:Gem Guardian Cresselia.PNG|Cresselia and the Yellow Gem|thumb|200px]]
The Yellow Gem is a crescent-moon-shaped gem found in the [[Hippowdon Temple]]. It is guarded by a {{p|Cresselia}} and after it is defeated, it must be traded with [[Sinis Trio|Heath]] for {{ra|Keith}}, who will then send a {{p|Magnezone}} to attack. After that, the Rangers and Team Dim Sun engage in a tug-of-war for it at the Altru Tower. The player gets it out of the vault and gives it to Keith, but then Lavana knocks it away from him and leaves with it. However, when all three of the [[Sinis Trio]] is defeated again, Lavana will leave it behind. Keith flies around with it during Operation Brighton.

==Shadow Crystal==
The Shadow Crystal is formed by the king from the folklore. It is protected by {{p|Darkrai}} in the Chroma Ruins. Team Dim Sun planned to use this to power their [[Incredible Machine]] so they could take control of all the Pokémon. They stole the crystal from the ruins, even going through Spiritomb and Darkrai, and carried it to their [[Oil Field Hideout]] and then to [[Altru Tower]].

Shards from this crystal, called Dark Shards are used by Team Dim Sun to enable their [[Gigaremo Units|Gigaremo]] and [[Miniremo Units|Miniremo]] Units to hypnotize Pokémon. These are mined at the [[Chroma Ruins]].

The Shadow Crystal was eventually transformed into the Luminous Crystal thanks to the power of the three gems. It was left at the top of Altru Tower, which became known as the ''Tower of Peace'', along with the three gems. Its {{p|Darkrai|guardian}} still looked after it until [[Professor Hastings]] asked it to [[Liberate The Tower!|go]], mentioning that the crystal will be safe there.

==Trivia==
*The Tears of Princes are the same colors as the [[Generation I]] Pokémon games released outside of Japan; {{3v2|Red|Blue|Yellow}}.
*Lucario is the only Gem Guardian that is not a [[legendary Pokémon]], Cresselia is the only one not part {{type2|Steel}}, and Heatran is the only one that is obtained in a fixed location in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.
*Cresselia is referred to as being a Prince, but in the games it is always female.
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'''Pokémon HeartGold Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターハートゴールド''' ''Pocket Monsters HeartGold'') and '''Pokémon SoulSilver Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターソウルシルバー''' ''Pocket Monsters SoulSilver'') are paired [[Generation IV]] {{wp|video game remake|remake}}s of the [[Generation II]] games {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.

Much like {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} revisited the [[Generation I]] story of [[Kanto]], HeartGold and SoulSilver retell the story of [[Johto]], with the player's starting area being [[New Bark Town]]. While the games feature several expansions in key areas, the overall plot follows the same direction as the original {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}. Some aspects exclusive to {{v2|Crystal}} are also included. Like FireRed and LeafGreen could link up with {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} to complete the Pokédex by trading regionally exclusive Pokémon, HeartGold and SoulSilver can link up with {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} to obtain Pokémon unavailable in Johto and Kanto, such as {{p|Turtwig}}.

{{ga|Kris}}, despite being the female counterpart of Crystal's player character {{ga|Gold}}, is not included as the female player character, with a {{ga|Kotone|new character}} instead taking her place. Whether she is chosen to be the [[player character]] or not, this new character will still appear in the game, taking a pseudo-[[rival]] role similar to the unselected characters of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby, Sapphire]], {{v2|Emerald}}, {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.

The games were released on September 12, 2009 in Japan, and are scheduled to be released on March 14, 2010 in North America, March 26, 2010 in Europe, and on February 4, 2010 in Korea.

==Changes from Pokémon Gold and Silver==
===Aesthetic changes===
* {{ga|Gold}} receives a redesign while {{ga|Kotone}} replaces {{ga|Kris}}.
* All the game's music is rearranged to better utilize the DS's sound capabilities. A [[GB Player|key item]] allows the player to switch back and forth freely between the arranged soundtrack and original chiptune soundtrack.
* The [[PokéGear]] has been redesigned. There are a range of skins that can be used and changed at the player's will.
* Much like Kanto's was for its remakes, Johto's Pokédex has been redesigned. Unlike Kanto's remakes, which contained the same [[List of Pokémon by Kanto Pokédex number|regional Pokédex]] as the originals, [[List of Pokémon by New Pokédex number|the original regional Pokédex]] for Johto has been [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|slightly altered]], including several [[Generation IV]] evolutions for Pokémon found in Johto.
* An image of certain locations, similar to that of {{v2|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, appears when entering the location. Some of these images change depending on the time of day while others change the image of the Pokémon obtainable at the location on the image at random.
* [[Team Rocket Grunt]]s are redesigned once again.
* [[Rocket Executive]]s are also redesigned from Generation II, with four new ones appearing: [[Apollo]], [[Athena]], [[Lambda]], and {{OBP|Lance|Team Rocket}}. Like [[Team Galactic]]'s [[Commander]]s followed a planetary naming scheme, the Rocket Executives are all named for various real-world rockets.
* {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} each have their own unique battle music, while the [[legendary beasts]] each use differently remixed versions of their battle theme from {{game|Crystal}}.
* [[Kurt]] and [[Apricorn]]s make a return to the series along with their respective [[Poké Ball]]s. Apricorns can now be carried by the player in their own [[bag]] with a new item, the [[Apricorn Case]].
* All former Berry trees have become [[Apricorn]] trees.
* [[Gym Leader]]s, [[Elite Four]] members, {{ga|Silver}}, and {{ga|Red}} have animated battle sprites and battle intros, as in {{v2|Platinum}}. Many [[Gym]]s have been redesigned as well, some with new puzzles.
* {{m|Rock Smash}}, previously a TM usable on the field in the originals, is now a full-fledged HM as it has been since [[Generation III]]. {{m|Defog}} loses its HM status to the returning {{m|Whirlpool}}.
* Ambient sound effects are used with greater frequency than in previous games; for example, running water and the player walking through grass will produce audible noises.
* The [[Magnet Train]]'s tracks can be seen overground in locations such as [[Route 32]].
* [[Pal Park]] is located where the closed [[Kanto Safari Zone]] once stood in [[Fuchsia City]].
* The [[Rage Candy Bar]] is now a [[key item]]. This is likely to prevent the player from trading it to {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}, which does not have any item data for the Rage Candy Bar.
* The player can now see how many Kanto badges they have. In the original games, the player could only see how many Johto Badges they had.

===Location changes===
* Elm's Lab has an upstairs level, where [[Professor Elm|the professor]] and his family live, his old house being occupied by Kotone/Hibiki and her/his family.
* Maps have been remade to match the design style used in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.
* The {{jo|Battle Tower}} west of [[Olivine City]], introduced in {{game|Crystal}}, returns, bringing with it the exact same {{OBP|Battle Frontier|Generation IV}} seen in Platinum.
* Two new routes, [[Route 47]] and [[Route 48]], are introduced near [[Cianwood City]]. They lead to a new [[Johto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]], as well as the [[Hidden Tower]].
* [[Mt. Silver]] is much bigger and [[Viridian Forest]] is not cut down.
* [[Cerulean Cave]] and the [[Seafoam Islands]] remain as they were in Generation III (though [[Blaine]] still takes part of the Seafoam Islands), allowing the [[legendary Pokémon]] that live inside them to be battled. {{p|Moltres}}, formerly found in {{ka|Victory Road}} and [[Mt. Ember]], can be found in Mt. Silver.
* The [[Fighting Dojo]] in [[Saffron City]] takes a role similar to Sinnoh's [[Battleground]].

===Gameplay changes===
* All 493 Pokémon are capable of [[walking Pokémon|following players]] similar to [[Red's Pikachu (game)|Pikachu]] in {{v2|Yellow}}. [[Shiny Pokémon|Shininess]] is also retained. The player can interact with their Pokémon by pressing 'A', and can see how their Pokémon is feeling at the moment. In battle, like Yellow's Pikachu, they are sent out from the side of the screen, rather than from a Poké Ball, unless in certain situations, such as while riding the [[bicycle]] or going into a small space with a big Pokémon.
* Similarly to the event {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Regigigas}}'s effect on Platinum, the [[Pikachu-colored Pichu]] will unlock an event near the [[Ilex Forest]] [[Ilex Forest Shrine|Shrine]], where the [[Spiky-Eared Pichu]] can be obtained.
* The [[Pokémon storage system]], [[bag]], [[party]] interface, and the screen that pops up when pressing the ''Start'' or ''X'' buttons in the previous games all use the Nintendo DS's touch screen.
* [[Legendary Pokémon]] from other regions can be caught in the games. {{p|Kyogre}} and {{p|Groudon}} appear in HeartGold and SoulSilver, respectively, after the Elite Four, and {{p|Rayquaza}} can be caught in both games once the other members of [[weather trio|its trio]] are traded into the game. {{p|Latias}} (in HeartGold) or {{p|Latios}} (in SoulSilver) can be found roaming in [[Kanto]] later in the game after speaking to [[Steven Stone]].
** The [[Mysterious Crystal]] is an [[Event item|Event key item]] that features a use similar to that of the [[Eon Ticket]]. It can get the other Eon Pokémon depending on the {{player|player's}} game version: Latias (in SoulSilver) and Latios (in HeartGold).
* {{m|Headbutt}}ing trees to locate certain Pokémon makes its return. However, this time it can also be used to collect Pokémon from [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] after the [[National Pokédex]] is acquired.
* [[Cynthia]] makes an appearance in an event involving {{p|Arceus}}. This takes place in an area accessed from the [[Ruins of Alph]] that is far to the north, named the [[Shinto Ruins]]. This event allows players to obtain either {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, or {{p|Giratina}} at level 1. The only way to obtain the [[Griseous Orb]] and Origin Forme Giratina in this game is to choose Giratina during this event.
* The {{OBP|Gracidea|flower}} can be obtained in the flower shop in [[Goldenrod City]] by bringing any [[fateful encounter]] {{p|Shaymin}} to show them.
* [[Eusine]], a major character from {{game|Crystal}} who was not in the original Gold and Silver, appears, as do other aspects originally featured in Crystal.
* A new sidequest, the [[Pokéthlon]], features ten mini-games that pit Pokémon in athletic competitions. Its system appears to be analogous to that of {{pkmn|Contests}} from previous games.
* [[Apricorn]]s are now the only items collected from plants on the field. [[Berry|Berries]] are instead collected from [[Juggler]]s in [[Violet City]] and [[Fuchsia City]] in exchange for [[shard]]s. Because only very limited varieties of berries can be collected in these games, the rest must by traded over from other versions, similar to that of {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}.
* [[Berries]] can be grown portably using the [[Berry Planter]], where the [[Squirtbottle]] is controlled via the touch screen to water four Berries at a time. Berries can be found on the ground in some locations, held by wild Pokémon, with the Pokéwalker, and will be bought by the player's mom at times.
* Using the [[Apricorn Shaker]], Apricorns can now also be mixed into drinks that increase Pokémon's Pokéthlon stats.
* The [[Running Shoes]] are obtained in [[Cherrygrove City]] and can be permanently selected using the touchscreen [[menu]]. The selected item (from pressing Y or SELECT in previous games) is also on the touchscreen. Two items can be selected as opposed to just one.
* Due to the absence of the [[Vs. Seeker]], the [[PokéGear]] reintroduces an improved cell phone feature with a limitless call list. However, re-battling trainers is now dependent on the day and time.
* The [[Radio Card]] for the Poké Gear is required to continue in the game - Whitney will not return to her Gym until the player has the Radio Card.
* [[Starter Pokémon]] from [[Kanto]] and [[Hoenn]] can be collected from [[Professor Oak]] and [[Steven Stone]] once certain conditions are met.
* [[Photography|Commemorative photos]] can now be taken around Johto and Kanto with the player's partner Pokémon, team, [[Gym Leader]]s, and certain notable citizens.
* An {{pkmn2|event}}-exclusive {{p|Celebi}} unlocks an encounter with former [[Team Rocket]] boss and Viridian Gym Leader [[Giovanni]]. Giovanni was mentioned repeatedly in the original Gold and Silver, but did not appear.
* Many Pokémon have acquired the ability to learn new moves and expand and improve their movesets; for example, {{p|Togepi}} can now learn {{m|Extrasensory}} through breeding.
* Like the [[Game Boy Advance Wireless Adapter|GBA Wireless Adapter]] that came with FireRed and LeafGreen, a bonus is included with the purchase of HeartGold and SoulSilver: a [[Poké Ball]]-shaped {{wp|pedometer}} called the [[Pokéwalker]] that has the capacity to link to the two games and hold a Pokémon. Storing a Pokémon in this manner increases its [[experience]] and [[happiness]] as the wearer walks. Other Pokémon can be captured in exclusive Pokéwalker-only areas and then transferred to the main game.
* The [[GB Player]], a key item obtained after all 16 badges have been obtained, allows players to swap the background music for the soundtrack from the original Gold and Silver, redone. New music tracks, such as the music that plays on Routes 47 and 48, also receive an 8-bit remix.
* When using the move {{m|Whirlpool}} outside of battle, instead of the whirlpool disappearing like in [[Generation II]], the player will simply surf over the whirlpools.
* Specific [[individual values]] may be passed down through {{pkmn|breeding}} depending on the [[EV-enhancing item]] that is held.
* The Trainers that appear in Viridian City's [[Trainer House]] are now influenced by communication through two Pokéwalkers as opposed to the previous method of Mystery Gifting with the Game Boy Color's infrared port.
* During the player's initial battle with the rival, he is known as Passerby Boy, unlike in Gold and Silver, where he was identified as ???. Players are still required to name him later.
* When the player makes it all the way through the [[Tin Tower]] or [[Whirl Islands]], instead of simply encountering Ho-oh or Lugia, the player must talk to the [[Kimono Girl|Kimono Girls]] who will summon the Pokémon with a dance.

==Pokémon==
As in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, the primary Pokémon of the remakes are native to the Johto and Kanto regions. Due to advances in gameplay since the second generation, the regional Pokédex used in Gold and Silver (the [[List of Pokémon by New Pokédex number|New Pokédex]]) has been updated to include those Pokémon which [[evolution|evolve]] upon learning a new [[move]]. Rather than simply excluding these evolutions (as {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} did with [[happiness]]-based evolutions), an improved [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Johto Pokédex]] was established with 256 Pokémon: five more than the New Pokédex.

Similarly to other recently released Pokémon games, Pokémon from outside the regional Pokédex can be captured after defeating the [[Elite Four]] and earning the [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|National Pokédex]]. Pokémon native to Sinnoh and Hoenn can be found in various methods. [[Mass Outbreak|Swarms]] of Pokémon sometimes break out across the Johto and Kanto regions; oftentimes these are not native to either of the regions. Pokémon from other regions can be located by playing one of two special stations on the [[PokéGear]]'s radio function. There is a channel for Sinnoh Pokémon which plays only on Thursdays; the Hoenn channel only plays on Wednesdays. By having either of these programs turned on when in [[tall grass]] the chance of finding a foreign Pokémon increases. The [[Bug Catching Contest]] also hosts, from time to time, Hoenn and Sinnoh Pokémon. They will only appear on Thursdays and Saturdays. The [[Johto Safari Zone]]'s customization option also allows for the finding of Pokémon from other regions.

In an apparent attempt to remove reliance on [[Generation III]] cartridges, [[starter Pokémon]] of Kanto and Hoenn can be obtained late in the game from [[Professor Oak]] and [[Steven Stone]] respectively. Some [[legendary Pokémon]] which were not included in the [[Generation II]] games, such as the [[legendary birds|legendary birds trio]] and {{p|Mewtwo}}, are also available.

Despite being remakes of Pokémon Gold and Silver, most of the wild Pokémon encounter data is identical to Pokémon Crystal, with the exception of version-exclusive Pokémon and a select few routes.

As in all [[version|main series]] Pokémon games, there are a number of Pokémon which can be found in [[Version-exclusive Pokémon|one of the paired games, but not the other]]. A list of these Pokémon follows below.
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{{Moveentrytm|057|Primeape|1|Fighting}}
{{Moveentrytm|058|Growlithe|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|059|Arcanine|1|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|167|Spinarak|2|Bug|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|168|Ariados|2|Bug|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|207|Gligar|2|Ground|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|226|Mantine|2|Water|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|231|Phanpy|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|232|Donphan|1|Ground|}}
{{Moveentrytm|302|Sableye|2|Ghost|Dark}}
{{Moveentrytm|343|Baltoy|2|Ground|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|344|Claydol|2|Ground|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|382|Kyogre|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|458|Mantyke|2|Water|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|472|Gliscor|2|Ground|Flying}}
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{{Moveentrytm|038|Ninetales|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|052|Meowth|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|053|Persian|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|165|Ledyba|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|166|Ledian|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|225|Delibird|2|Ice|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|227|Skarmory|2|Steel|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|216|Teddiursa|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|217|Ursaring|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|303|Mawile|1|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|316|Gulpin|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|317|Swalot|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|383|Groudon|1|Ground}}
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==Gallery==
<gallery perrow=4>
File:HGSSstarters.gif|Choosing a [[starter Pokémon]]
File:Startmenu.gif|The redesigned touch screen menu, as well as the three starters shown with the player character
File:HGSSpokedex.png|The redesigned [[Pokédex]]
File:Screen3.png|Outside the [[Burned Tower]]
File:Screen5.png|[[Sprout Tower]]
File:Shiny Pichu HGSS event.png|[[Spiky-Eared Pichu]] event
File:Goldandsoul.png|{{ga|Gold}} and {{ga|Kotone}} in New Bark Town. "Yeah! How about you show your mom, too?"
File:Rival Battle Eng HGSS.png|Gold vs. Silver in the English versions
File:Elmslab.png|Inside Professor Elm's laboratory
File:Slowpokewell.png|Beta of inside [[Slowpoke Well]]
File:HeartGold title.png|HeartGold title screen
File:SoulSilver title.png|SoulSilver title screen
File:Red Gyarados encounter HGSS.png|Encountering [[Red Gyarados]]
File:Pokewalker.png|The Pokéwalker
File:Ho oh in Heartgold.png|Ho-Oh in HeartGold
File:Lugia in SoulSilver.png|Lugia in SoulSilver
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* The Japanese release date is the same day that {{game|Yellow}} was released in 1998.
* These games mark the tenth anniversary since the release of the original {{2v|Gold|Silver}} for [[Game Boy Color]].
* As remakes, these games have been [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation|speculated]] since the release of {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}.
* The games' engine seems to be based on that of {{game|Platinum}}.
* As {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} were considered sequels to {{2v2|Red|Green}}, HeartGold and SoulSilver are thus sequels to {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}.
** Also like FireRed and LeafGreen, HeartGold and SoulSilver implement features introduced in their namesakes' third version (though the only major change from Red and Green to [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Blue]] was the alteration of the [[catch rate]]s of several Pokémon, itself retained since Blue, whereas {{game|Crystal}} featured several notable differences).
* These games were released in Japan almost exactly one year after the Japanese release of {{game|Platinum}}, being released the day before the anniversary.
* The font used for the English titles of these games are different than the font that has been used since {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, while the Japanese logos are still in the same style used since those games. FireRed and LeafGreen also used a different font than the Hoenn games, however, it was still the same color.
** Additionally, the Ho-Oh crest shaped like a heart and Lugia soul are used in the English logos, while the fire and leaf that appear on FireRed and LeafGreen's Japanese logos were not used in the English release.
* These games mark the first time that the English versions were announced before the games themselves came out in Japan.
* Because of [[HM05]]'s conversion from {{m|Defog}} to {{m|Whirlpool}}, these games are the only games in which all available HMs teach damaging moves (both Defog and Flash, contained in HM05, prevented this in previous games).
* Unlike {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, most [[Trainer class]]es keep their {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} sprites in battle.
* These are the first games in which major characters offer their Pokémon for a trade with the player, with [[Gym Leader]]s [[Brock]], [[Lt. Surge]], and [[Jasmine]] and [[Hoenn]]'s former champion [[Steven Stone]] offering Pokémon of their specialty type in exchange for another.
** These are the first games in which an in-game trade accepts any Pokémon of any gender, with Jasmine accepting such in exchange for her Steelix.
* Unlike how {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}'s intro was an updated version of the opening from {{2v2|Red|Green}}, HeartGold and SoulSilver have an entirely new intro, using none of the footage from the intro of {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}. The intro however, uses some music that was in the original and the title screen displays 3D renders of Ho-Oh and Lugia in movement similar to the original title screens.
* HeartGold and SoulSilver include the [[champion]]s from each of the paired versions: {{ga|Blue}} from {{2v2|Red|Green}}, [[Lance]] from {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}, [[Steven Stone]] from {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}, and [[Cynthia]] from {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}.
* The credits of HeartGold and SoulSilver are the first to feature [[Gym Leader]]s, [[Elite Four]] members and [[villainous teams|villainous team]] members.
* Most "eyecatches" for the locations feature a Pokémon that is able to be caught in said location.
* There's a minor quirk involving the Poké Mart signs, in which they are sometimes shown to be placed ''on'' the edges of trees, making it appear as if it was built there.
* All original eight [[Gym Leader]]s of Kanto appear in HeartGold and SoulSilver. [[Koga]] and [[Giovanni]] are no longer Leaders, instead having other roles in the games.
* The Pokédex entries for the Pokémon that existed in Gold and Silver are carried on over to HeartGold and SoulSilver, respectively, much as how FireRed used the entries from the Japanese Red and Green while LeafGreen used the entries from Blue.
* HeartGold and SoulSilver will have the quickest translation from Japanese to Korean in the entire history of the series. Gold and Silver, their namesakes, took the longest to be translated into the language, taking nearly three years.
**This also makes these games the first in the entire series to be released in Korea '''before''' it was released in North America.
* {{game|Crystal}}, unlike {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}, introduced a special theme for the [[legendary beasts]]. The theme was remade for HeartGold and SoulSilver; however, there are 3 versions of it, each for one of the legendary beasts.
*In the movie [[Arceus and the Jewel of Life]], [[Ash]], [[Dawn]], [[Brock]], and [[Sheena]] travel back in time. Due to this place being home to the Johto [[Starter Pokémon]], it is apparent that they are taken into prehistoric Johto. This may be a reference to the special Arceus event that takes place in the [[Shinto Ruins]]. This is highly unlikely, however, because Ash and his friends were traveling in Sinnoh at the time.

==In other languages==
* '''Spanish''': ''Edición Oro HeartGold''/''Edición Plata SoulSilver''
* '''Italian''': ''Versione Oro HeartGold''/''Versione Argento SoulSilver''
* '''German''': ''Goldene Edition HeartGold''/''Silberne Edition SoulSilver''

==External links==
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* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g090508_01.html Official Japanese Announcement]
* [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/HeartGold,_SoulSilver_announced_for_America_and_Europe Official English Announcement]
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/ Official Japanese Site]
* [http://www.pokemon.com/#heartgoldsoulsilver Official English Site]

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'''Pokémon HeartGold Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターハートゴールド''' ''Pocket Monsters HeartGold'') and '''Pokémon SoulSilver Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターソウルシルバー''' ''Pocket Monsters SoulSilver'') are paired [[Generation IV]] {{wp|video game remake|remake}}s of the [[Generation II]] games {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}.

Much like {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} revisited the [[Generation I]] story of [[Kanto]], HeartGold and SoulSilver retell the story of [[Johto]], with the player's starting area being [[New Bark Town]]. While the games feature several expansions in key areas, the overall plot follows the same direction as the original {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}. Some aspects exclusive to {{v2|Crystal}} are also included. Like FireRed and LeafGreen could link up with {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}} to complete the Pokédex by trading regionally exclusive Pokémon, HeartGold and SoulSilver can link up with {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} to obtain Pokémon unavailable in Johto and Kanto, such as {{p|Turtwig}}.

{{ga|Kris}}, despite being the female counterpart of Crystal's player character {{ga|Gold}}, is not included as the female player character, with a {{ga|Kotone|new character}} instead taking her place. Whether she is chosen to be the [[player character]] or not, this new character will still appear in the game, taking a pseudo-[[rival]] role similar to the unselected characters of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby, Sapphire]], {{v2|Emerald}}, {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.

The games were released on September 12, 2009 in Japan, and are scheduled to be released on March 14, 2010 in North America, March 26, 2010 in Europe, and on February 4, 2010 in Korea.

==Changes from Pokémon Gold and Silver==
===Aesthetic changes===
* {{ga|Gold}} receives a redesign while {{ga|Kotone}} replaces {{ga|Kris}}.
* All the game's music is rearranged to better utilize the DS's sound capabilities. A [[GB Player|key item]] allows the player to switch back and forth freely between the arranged soundtrack and original chiptune soundtrack.
* The [[PokéGear]] has been redesigned. There are a range of skins that can be used and changed at the player's will.
* Much like Kanto's was for its remakes, Johto's Pokédex has been redesigned. Unlike Kanto's remakes, which contained the same [[List of Pokémon by Kanto Pokédex number|regional Pokédex]] as the originals, [[List of Pokémon by New Pokédex number|the original regional Pokédex]] for Johto has been [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|slightly altered]], including several [[Generation IV]] evolutions for Pokémon found in Johto.
* An image of certain locations, similar to that of {{v2|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, appears when entering the location. Some of these images change depending on the time of day while others change the image of the Pokémon obtainable at the location on the image at random.
* [[Team Rocket Grunt]]s are redesigned once again.
* [[Rocket Executive]]s are also redesigned from Generation II, with four new ones appearing: [[Apollo]], [[Athena]], [[Lambda]], and {{OBP|Lance|Team Rocket}}. Like [[Team Galactic]]'s [[Commander]]s followed a planetary naming scheme, the Rocket Executives are all named for various real-world rockets.
* {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} each have their own unique battle music, while the [[legendary beasts]] each use differently remixed versions of their battle theme from {{game|Crystal}}.
* [[Kurt]] and [[Apricorn]]s make a return to the series along with their respective [[Poké Ball]]s. Apricorns can now be carried by the player in their own [[bag]] with a new item, the [[Apricorn Case]].
* All former Berry trees have become [[Apricorn]] trees.
* [[Gym Leader]]s, [[Elite Four]] members, {{ga|Silver}}, and {{ga|Red}} have animated battle sprites and battle intros, as in {{v2|Platinum}}. Many [[Gym]]s have been redesigned as well, some with new puzzles.
* {{m|Rock Smash}}, previously a TM usable on the field in the originals, is now a full-fledged HM as it has been since [[Generation III]]. {{m|Defog}} loses its HM status to the returning {{m|Whirlpool}}.
* Ambient sound effects are used with greater frequency than in previous games; for example, running water and the player walking through grass will produce audible noises.
* The [[Magnet Train]]'s tracks can be seen overground in locations such as [[Route 32]].
* [[Pal Park]] is located where the closed [[Kanto Safari Zone]] once stood in [[Fuchsia City]].
* The [[Rage Candy Bar]] is now a [[key item]]. This is likely to prevent the player from trading it to {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}, which does not have any item data for the Rage Candy Bar.
* The player can now see how many Kanto badges they have. In the original games, the player could only see how many Johto Badges they had.

===Location changes===
* Elm's Lab has an upstairs level, where [[Professor Elm|the professor]] and his family live, his old house being occupied by Kotone/Hibiki and her/his family.
* Maps have been remade to match the design style used in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.
* The {{jo|Battle Tower}} west of [[Olivine City]], introduced in {{game|Crystal}}, returns, bringing with it the exact same {{OBP|Battle Frontier|Generation IV}} seen in Platinum.
* Two new routes, [[Route 47]] and [[Route 48]], are introduced near [[Cianwood City]]. They lead to a new [[Johto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]], as well as the [[Hidden Tower]].
* [[Mt. Silver]] is much bigger and [[Viridian Forest]] is not cut down.
* [[Cerulean Cave]] and the [[Seafoam Islands]] remain as they were in Generation III (though [[Blaine]] still takes part of the Seafoam Islands), allowing the [[legendary Pokémon]] that live inside them to be battled. {{p|Moltres}}, formerly found in {{ka|Victory Road}} and [[Mt. Ember]], can be found in Mt. Silver.
* The [[Fighting Dojo]] in [[Saffron City]] takes a role similar to Sinnoh's [[Battleground]].

===Gameplay changes===
* All 493 Pokémon are capable of [[walking Pokémon|following players]] similar to [[Red's Pikachu (game)|Pikachu]] in {{v2|Yellow}}. [[Shiny Pokémon|Shininess]] is also retained. The player can interact with their Pokémon by pressing 'A', and can see how their Pokémon is feeling at the moment. In battle, like Yellow's Pikachu, they are sent out from the side of the screen, rather than from a Poké Ball, unless in certain situations, such as while riding the [[bicycle]] or going into a small space with a big Pokémon.
* Similarly to the event {{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Regigigas}}'s effect on Platinum, the [[Pikachu-colored Pichu]] will unlock an event near the [[Ilex Forest]] [[Ilex Forest Shrine|Shrine]], where the [[Spiky-Eared Pichu]] can be obtained.
* The [[Pokémon storage system]], [[bag]], [[party]] interface, and the screen that pops up when pressing the ''Start'' or ''X'' buttons in the previous games all use the Nintendo DS's touch screen.
* [[Legendary Pokémon]] from other regions can be caught in the games. {{p|Kyogre}} and {{p|Groudon}} appear in HeartGold and SoulSilver, respectively, after the Elite Four, and {{p|Rayquaza}} can be caught in both games once the other members of [[weather trio|its trio]] are traded into the game. {{p|Latias}} (in HeartGold) or {{p|Latios}} (in SoulSilver) can be found roaming in [[Kanto]] later in the game after speaking to [[Steven Stone]].
** The [[Mysterious Crystal]] is an [[Event item|Event key item]] that features a use similar to that of the [[Eon Ticket]]. It can get the other Eon Pokémon depending on the {{player|player's}} game version: Latias (in SoulSilver) and Latios (in HeartGold).
* {{m|Headbutt}}ing trees to locate certain Pokémon makes its return. However, this time it can also be used to collect Pokémon from [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] after the [[National Pokédex]] is acquired.
* [[Cynthia]] makes an appearance in an event involving {{p|Arceus}}. This takes place in an area accessed from the [[Ruins of Alph]] that is far to the north, named the [[Shinto Ruins]]. This event allows players to obtain either {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, or {{p|Giratina}} at level 1. The only way to obtain the [[Griseous Orb]] and Origin Forme Giratina in this game is to choose Giratina during this event.
* The {{OBP|Gracidea|flower}} can be obtained in the flower shop in [[Goldenrod City]] by bringing any [[fateful encounter]] {{p|Shaymin}} to show them.
* [[Eusine]], a major character from {{game|Crystal}} who was not in the original Gold and Silver, appears, as do other aspects originally featured in Crystal.
* A new sidequest, the [[Pokéthlon]], features ten mini-games that pit Pokémon in athletic competitions. Its system appears to be analogous to that of {{pkmn|Contests}} from previous games.
* [[Apricorn]]s are now the only items collected from plants on the field. [[Berry|Berries]] are instead collected from [[Juggler]]s in [[Violet City]] and [[Fuchsia City]] in exchange for [[shard]]s. Because only very limited varieties of berries can be collected in these games, the rest must by traded over from other versions, similar to that of {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}.
* [[Berries]] can be grown portably using the [[Berry Planter]], where the [[Squirtbottle]] is controlled via the touch screen to water four Berries at a time. Berries can be found on the ground in some locations, held by wild Pokémon, with the Pokéwalker, and will be bought by the player's mom at times.
* Using the [[Apricorn Shaker]], Apricorns can now also be mixed into drinks that increase Pokémon's Pokéthlon stats.
* The [[Running Shoes]] are obtained in [[Cherrygrove City]] and can be permanently selected using the touchscreen [[menu]]. The selected item (from pressing Y or SELECT in previous games) is also on the touchscreen. Two items can be selected as opposed to just one.
* Due to the absence of the [[Vs. Seeker]], the [[PokéGear]] reintroduces an improved cell phone feature with a limitless call list. However, re-battling trainers is now dependent on the day and time.
* The [[Radio Card]] for the Poké Gear is required to continue in the game - Whitney will not return to her Gym until the player has the Radio Card.
* [[Starter Pokémon]] from [[Kanto]] and [[Hoenn]] can be collected from [[Professor Oak]] and [[Steven Stone]] once certain conditions are met.
* [[Photography|Commemorative photos]] can now be taken around Johto and Kanto with the player's partner Pokémon, team, [[Gym Leader]]s, and certain notable citizens.
* An {{pkmn2|event}}-exclusive {{p|Celebi}} unlocks an encounter with former [[Team Rocket]] boss and Viridian Gym Leader [[Giovanni]]. Giovanni was mentioned repeatedly in the original Gold and Silver, but did not appear.
* Many Pokémon have acquired the ability to learn new moves and expand and improve their movesets; for example, {{p|Togepi}} can now learn {{m|Extrasensory}} through breeding.
* Like the [[Game Boy Advance Wireless Adapter|GBA Wireless Adapter]] that came with FireRed and LeafGreen, a bonus is included with the purchase of HeartGold and SoulSilver: a [[Poké Ball]]-shaped {{wp|pedometer}} called the [[Pokéwalker]] that has the capacity to link to the two games and hold a Pokémon. Storing a Pokémon in this manner increases its [[experience]] and [[happiness]] as the wearer walks. Other Pokémon can be captured in exclusive Pokéwalker-only areas and then transferred to the main game.
* The [[GB Player]], a key item obtained after all 16 badges have been obtained, allows players to swap the background music for the soundtrack from the original Gold and Silver, redone. New music tracks, such as the music that plays on Routes 47 and 48, also receive an 8-bit remix.
* When using the move {{m|Whirlpool}} outside of battle, instead of the whirlpool disappearing like in [[Generation II]], the player will simply surf over the whirlpools.
* Specific [[individual values]] may be passed down through {{pkmn|breeding}} depending on the [[EV-enhancing item]] that is held.
* The Trainers that appear in Viridian City's [[Trainer House]] are now influenced by communication through two Pokéwalkers as opposed to the previous method of Mystery Gifting with the Game Boy Color's infrared port.
* During the player's initial battle with the rival, he is known as Passerby Boy, unlike in Gold and Silver, where he was identified as ???. Players are still required to name him later.
* When the player makes it all the way through the [[Tin Tower]] or [[Whirl Islands]], instead of simply encountering Ho-oh or Lugia, the player must talk to a group of dancers who will summon the Pokémon with a dance.

==Pokémon==
As in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, the primary Pokémon of the remakes are native to the Johto and Kanto regions. Due to advances in gameplay since the second generation, the regional Pokédex used in Gold and Silver (the [[List of Pokémon by New Pokédex number|New Pokédex]]) has been updated to include those Pokémon which [[evolution|evolve]] upon learning a new [[move]]. Rather than simply excluding these evolutions (as {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} did with [[happiness]]-based evolutions), an improved [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Johto Pokédex]] was established with 256 Pokémon: five more than the New Pokédex.

Similarly to other recently released Pokémon games, Pokémon from outside the regional Pokédex can be captured after defeating the [[Elite Four]] and earning the [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|National Pokédex]]. Pokémon native to Sinnoh and Hoenn can be found in various methods. [[Mass Outbreak|Swarms]] of Pokémon sometimes break out across the Johto and Kanto regions; oftentimes these are not native to either of the regions. Pokémon from other regions can be located by playing one of two special stations on the [[PokéGear]]'s radio function. There is a channel for Sinnoh Pokémon which plays only on Thursdays; the Hoenn channel only plays on Wednesdays. By having either of these programs turned on when in [[tall grass]] the chance of finding a foreign Pokémon increases. The [[Bug Catching Contest]] also hosts, from time to time, Hoenn and Sinnoh Pokémon. They will only appear on Thursdays and Saturdays. The [[Johto Safari Zone]]'s customization option also allows for the finding of Pokémon from other regions.

In an apparent attempt to remove reliance on [[Generation III]] cartridges, [[starter Pokémon]] of Kanto and Hoenn can be obtained late in the game from [[Professor Oak]] and [[Steven Stone]] respectively. Some [[legendary Pokémon]] which were not included in the [[Generation II]] games, such as the [[legendary birds|legendary birds trio]] and {{p|Mewtwo}}, are also available.

Despite being remakes of Pokémon Gold and Silver, all the wild Pokémon encounter data is identical to Pokémon Crystal, with the exception of version-exclusive Pokémon.

As in all [[version|main series]] Pokémon games, there are a number of Pokémon which can be found in [[Version-exclusive Pokémon|one of the paired games, but not the other]]. A list of these Pokémon follows below.
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{{Moveentrytm|058|Growlithe|1|Fire}}
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{{Moveentrytm|167|Spinarak|2|Bug|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|168|Ariados|2|Bug|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|207|Gligar|2|Ground|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|226|Mantine|2|Water|Flying}}
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{{Moveentrytm|343|Baltoy|2|Ground|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|344|Claydol|2|Ground|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|382|Kyogre|1|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|458|Mantyke|2|Water|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|472|Gliscor|2|Ground|Flying}}
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{{Moveentrytm|038|Ninetales|1|Fire|}}
{{Moveentrytm|052|Meowth|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|053|Persian|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|165|Ledyba|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|166|Ledian|2|Bug|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|225|Delibird|2|Ice|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|227|Skarmory|2|Steel|Flying|}}
{{Moveentrytm|216|Teddiursa|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|217|Ursaring|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|303|Mawile|1|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|316|Gulpin|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|317|Swalot|1|Poison}}
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==Gallery==
<gallery perrow=4>
File:HGSSstarters.gif|Choosing a [[starter Pokémon]]
File:Startmenu.gif|The redesigned touch screen menu, as well as the three starters shown with the player character
File:HGSSpokedex.png|The redesigned [[Pokédex]]
File:Screen3.png|Outside the [[Burned Tower]]
File:Screen5.png|[[Sprout Tower]]
File:Shiny Pichu HGSS event.png|[[Spiky-Eared Pichu]] event
File:Goldandsoul.png|{{ga|Gold}} and {{ga|Kotone}} in New Bark Town. "Yeah! How about you show your mom, too?"
File:Rival Battle Eng HGSS.png|Gold vs. Silver in the English versions
File:Elmslab.png|Inside Professor Elm's laboratory
File:Slowpokewell.png|Beta of inside [[Slowpoke Well]]
File:HeartGold title.png|HeartGold title screen
File:SoulSilver title.png|SoulSilver title screen
File:Red Gyarados encounter HGSS.png|Encountering [[Red Gyarados]]
File:Pokewalker.png|The Pokéwalker
File:Ho oh in Heartgold.png|Ho-Oh in HeartGold
File:Lugia in SoulSilver.png|Lugia in SoulSilver
</gallery>

==Trivia==
* The Japanese release date is the same day that {{game|Yellow}} was released in 1998.
* These games mark the tenth anniversary since the release of the original {{2v|Gold|Silver}} for [[Game Boy Color]].
* As remakes, these games have been [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation|speculated]] since the release of {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}.
* The games' engine seems to be based on that of {{game|Platinum}}.
* As {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} were considered sequels to {{2v2|Red|Green}}, HeartGold and SoulSilver are thus sequels to {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}.
** Also like FireRed and LeafGreen, HeartGold and SoulSilver implement features introduced in their namesakes' third version (though the only major change from Red and Green to [[Pokémon Blue Version (Japanese)|Blue]] was the alteration of the [[catch rate]]s of several Pokémon, itself retained since Blue, whereas {{game|Crystal}} featured several notable differences).
* These games were released in Japan almost exactly one year after the Japanese release of {{game|Platinum}}, being released the day before the anniversary.
* The font used for the English titles of these games are different than the font that has been used since {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}, while the Japanese logos are still in the same style used since those games. FireRed and LeafGreen also used a different font than the Hoenn games, however, it was still the same color.
** Additionally, the Ho-Oh crest shaped like a heart and Lugia soul are used in the English logos, while the fire and leaf that appear on FireRed and LeafGreen's Japanese logos were not used in the English release.
* These games mark the first time that the English versions were announced before the games themselves came out in Japan.
* Because of [[HM05]]'s conversion from {{m|Defog}} to {{m|Whirlpool}}, these games are the only games in which all available HMs teach damaging moves (both Defog and Flash, contained in HM05, prevented this in previous games).
* Unlike {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, most [[Trainer class]]es keep their {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} sprites in battle.
* These are the first games in which major characters offer their Pokémon for a trade with the player, with [[Gym Leader]]s [[Brock]], [[Lt. Surge]], and [[Jasmine]] and [[Hoenn]]'s former champion [[Steven Stone]] offering Pokémon of their specialty type in exchange for another.
** These are the first games in which an in-game trade accepts any Pokémon of any gender, with Jasmine accepting such in exchange for her Steelix.
* Unlike how {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}'s intro was an updated version of the opening from {{2v2|Red|Green}}, HeartGold and SoulSilver have an entirely new intro, using none of the footage from the intro of {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}. The intro however, uses some music that was in the original and the title screen displays 3D renders of Ho-Oh and Lugia in movement similar to the original title screens.
* HeartGold and SoulSilver include the [[champion]]s from each of the paired versions: {{ga|Blue}} from {{2v2|Red|Green}}, [[Lance]] from {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}, [[Steven Stone]] from {{2v2|Ruby|Sapphire}}, and [[Cynthia]] from {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}.
* The credits of HeartGold and SoulSilver are the first to feature [[Gym Leader]]s, [[Elite Four]] members and [[villainous teams|villainous team]] members.
* Most "eyecatches" for the locations feature a Pokémon that is able to be caught in said location.
* There's a minor quirk involving the Poké Mart signs, in which they are sometimes shown to be placed ''on'' the edges of trees, making it appear as if it was built there.
* All original eight [[Gym Leader]]s of Kanto appear in HeartGold and SoulSilver. [[Koga]] and [[Giovanni]] are no longer Leaders, instead having other roles in the games.
* The Pokédex entries for the Pokémon that existed in Gold and Silver are carried on over to HeartGold and SoulSilver, respectively, much as how FireRed used the entries from the Japanese Red and Green while LeafGreen used the entries from Blue.
* HeartGold and SoulSilver will have the quickest translation from Japanese to Korean in the entire history of the series. Gold and Silver, their namesakes, took the longest to be translated into the language, taking nearly three years.
**This also makes these games the first in the entire series to be released in Korea '''before''' it was released in North America.
* {{game|Crystal}}, unlike {{2v2|Gold|Silver}}, introduced a special theme for the [[legendary beasts]]. The theme was remade for HeartGold and SoulSilver; however, there are 3 versions of it, each for one of the legendary beasts.

==In other languages==
* '''Spanish''': ''Edición Oro HeartGold''/''Edición Plata SoulSilver''

==External links==
{{bulbanews|game}}
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g090508_01.html Official Japanese Announcement]
* [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/HeartGold,_SoulSilver_announced_for_America_and_Europe Official English Announcement]
* [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/ Official Japanese Site]
* [http://www.pokemon.com/#heartgoldsoulsilver Official English Site]

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'''Future generations of Pokémon''' are an expected part of the franchise. Despite 493 Pokémon currently in existence (and the current final known Pokémon being depicted as the godlike creator of the Pokémon universe), it has been indicated that not every Pokémon has been discovered and not every region explored. New regions and new creatures will no doubt herald the beginning of new generations of Pokémon games.

While no official statement has been released from [[The Pokémon Company]] regarding the existence of any future generations, anime director [[Masamitsu Hidaka]] has previously [http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=213219 said in an interview] that there will be a Generation V and many more to come.

==Fan speculation==
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The four currently released generations have established and maintained a series of patterns that hint towards what a new generation may entail. Naturally, a new region, new set of Pokémon, new set of moves, and new characters will be introduced. To some extents, these may encompass new concepts, but the standards set down over the past fifteen years will provide the backbone of the game.

It is generally expected that any future generations will accompany a new generation of Nintendo handheld console: every new game system has brought with it a new series of games, the most recent of which is for the [[Nintendo DS]].

===General===
The player will start his or her journey with one of three [[starter Pokémon]], which will be of the {{t|Grass}}, {{t|Fire}}, or {{type2|Water}}s. Eight [[Gym]]s must be challenged before the player can take on the [[Pokémon League]]; a villainous team must be stopped along the way. After the League has been defeated, a range of special areas will become accessible.

It can be assumed that the games will be released initially as a pair, with a [[third version]] following several years later. The third version will expand on the plot. [[Remake]]s of previous games may follow.

The games will be accompanied by new [[Pokémon manga]], {{pkmn|anime}} episodes, and [[Pokémon Trading Card Game|TCG cards]].

===Pokémon===
An assortment of new and old Pokémon will make up a [[regional Pokédex]]. Some Pokémon evolution lines, such as those of {{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Abra}}, {{p|Zubat}}, {{p|Machop}}, {{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Goldeen}}, {{p|Tentacool}}, and {{p|Magikarp}}, have been in every regional Pokédex, so are expected to appear in future generations. {{p|Pikachu}}, as the franchise mascot, alongside its family, is virtually guaranteed.

Some Pokémon may evolve into or from previously released Pokémon. [[List of Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions|Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions]] have existed since the [[Generation II|second generation]].

[[Legendary Pokémon]] with myths specific to the region are expected. Recent games feature these Pokémon in roles important to the driving plot. These Pokémon often appear in [[Legendary duo|duos]] and [[legendary trio|trios]].

The remainder of the Pokémon may be encountered once the milestone of defeating the Pokémon League is accomplished.

Before the release of Generations II, III, and IV, new Pokémon have been used to promote the new games through the anime. {{p|Ho-Oh}}, {{p|Togepi}}, {{p|Marill}}, {{p|Kecleon}}, {{p|Blaziken}}, {{p|Munchlax}}, {{p|Lucario}}, and {{p|Manaphy}} are a few of the Pokémon that debuted before their generation. Additionally, there has been evidence that the newest movie, [[Phantom Ruler Z]], might introduce a Pokémon from [[Generation V]].

===Characters===
The first four generations have introduced some stock characters. Two [[player character]] options (one male, one female) live in a small town with their [[mom|mother]]. A previously unknown Pokémon professor will set the player's journey in motion. Eight [[Gym Leader]]s stand in the player's way to the [[Elite Four]], as does the player's childhood [[rival]].

Many other characters will exist in various manners: [[non-player character]]s to aid the player, [[Pokémon Trainer]]s to defeat on the road, a [[villainous team]], and perhaps familiar faces.

===Geography===
Within the new region, there will be at least nine cities or towns, connected by [[route]]s. Current trends show that there will be at least one water route, a mountain, [[caves]], and a forest. The route leading up to the Pokémon League has thus far been known as [[Victory Road]].

Each region so far has been [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|based on a real-life area of Japan]].

===Speculation against future generations===
Naturally, there are fans who do not see future generations as a possibility.

[[Legendary Pokémon]] typically have a backstory that supersedes those of previous generations. As {{p|Arceus}} is thought to be the creator of the [[Pokémon world]], there are few ways to trump its story.

No game console has been announced yet, and no new Pokémon have been revealed. The first Generation IV Pokémon to be revealed, {{TP|May|Munchlax}}, was shown much earlier on during the {{series|Advanced Generation}} than the most recent episodes of the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}.

Generation IV has lasted nearly as long as Generation III, and will have lasted longer than all previous generations if Generation V's debut games are not released before August 6, 2010 in Japan. While Platinum, HeartGold, and SoulSilver were officially announced in May of the year of their September release, Diamond and Pearl were first revealed to be in the works in October of 2004, very nearly two years before their Japanese release.

==See also==
* [[History of Pokémon]]
* [[Generation I]]
* [[Generation II]]
* [[Generation III]]
* [[Generation IV]]

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