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== Questions, questions, questions. ==
Quag, can we edit this page? -[[user:?????|Full of]] [[user talk:?????|Questions]]
:As long as you don't put in any nonsense speculation, yes. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 00:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Since I can't edit this, can someone point out that Zorua and Zoroark appear to be based off of the shapshifting kitsune in Japanese folklore? Especially when you compare its reddish facial markings to the red marks that often outline the face in "kitsune" masks? thanks - {{unsigned|Ninja wolf}}
::Also, "Zorro" (similar to Zorua and Zoroark) is spanish for fox. This should probably be name origin (until we get their English names) [[User:Takharii|'''たかはりい''']]'''☆'''[[User talk:Takharii|Talk!]] 07:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Can we take the Fake sprites off this page? They're fake and obviously have no place there. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 17:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::They are used as replacements until real sprites are made. They say they are fake when you scroll over them and when you click on them. It is similar to using the images that are used in the infobox. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 17:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Not paying attention to the file information, eh Bttsstewart? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::No, I saw that. COuldn't it just say something like "SPRITE NOT RELEASED" or something in that box until the real one's come out? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Zorua? Zoroa? ==

Shouldn't it be added (trivia, perhaps?) that the Katakana spelling of its name says "Zoroa", although the romanization says "Zorua"? [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 20:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:I don't see why it can't be put there. [[User:Gizamimi Pichu|Gizamimi Pichu]] 20:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Not really notable. {{p|Umbreon}}'s Katakana is phonetically Burakki, while the trademarked romanization is Blacky. It's quite common for the trademarked romanization to be slightly different than the Katakana would be phonetically. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 20:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::That's not the same thing though. "Burakki" is the closest Japanese equivalent to the name "Blacky", which us the intended name. The name written as "Burakki" is still pronounced "Blacky" even though the individual kana are pronounced differently. With "Zorua", the syllable "ru" is written with the kana for "ro", for no apparent reason. The only logical reason to do this is if the "rua" part comes from a language where "u" is pronounced "o" to preserve the original language's spelling. The thing us, I can't think of any language where this is the case. Either the name "Zorua" is a typo, or they're intentionally misspelling the name. Unless someone can provide a reasonable name origin that warrants this seemingly erroneous spelling or proof that it is indeed a typo, I think we should mention it in the article.--[[User:Numquam Periit Amor|Numquam Periit Amor]] 04:51, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Don't ask us what their reasoning was. They come up with the names in romaji first, it seems, and then katakanify them. See シェイミ and Shaymin. Romanize that and you get SHEIMI, but repeatedly the romaji has been used as SHAYMIN. Same with レジギガス and REGIGAS, not REJIGIGASU. クラブ is CRAB, not KURABU.
::::Official romanization trumps any and all other romanizations. Period. YONOIR, not YONOWAARU, for ヨノワール. Hey, maybe they thought "ZOROA" looked dumb next to "ZOROARK". Don't ''bother'' with the romanizations. We're not dumb; we KNOW how to romanize katakana at least, something that ''so many damn people don't get''. It's in the ''manual of style'' and has '''''its own section'''''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::You're not listening to me, jerk. I never insinuated that anyone here doesn't understand katakana. I was merely pointing out that the OFFICIAL ROMANIZATION does not match up with the CORRECT ROMANIZATION. And your examples prove that, while you understand katakana perfectly (aren't you a genius?), you clearly DO NOT understand name origins. ヨノワール is romanized YONOIR instead of YONOWAARU because NOWAARU is the closest equivalent to the French word "NOIR". Same with クラブ, it's romanized CRAB because クラブ is how you write CRAB in Japanese. They always romanize word parts according to the SOURCE LANGUAGE SPELLING. From what I can tell, the RUA in ZORUA is Irish for "red-haired", referring to the red highlights on its fur. But RUA is pronounced ROO-uh, not ROH-uh. Since a name origin for the apparently incorrect romanization has been found, it appears that the ROMANIZATION is correct, but the KATAKANA is wrong. It's just like you said, they came up with the romanization before the katakana. They just put the WRONG katakana. {{unsigned|Numquam Periit Amor}}
::::::Exactly. Say the romanized Japanese name out loud and it sounds just like the English name. Besides, the Zoroa/Zoroark naming convention (i.e. adding/subtracting a couple letters to the name for the next evolution) has precedent. See: [[Kabuto]]/[[Kabutops]], [[Pidgeotto (Pokemon)|Pidgeotto]]/[[Pidgeot (Pokemon)|Pidgeot]], etc. --[[User:Rycr|Rycr]] 06:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Please allow me to make this clear. this is "zo"　ゾ　This is "ro"　ロ　This is "a"　ア　Together the become　ゾロア。　This is "ru"　ル　Together they become　ゾルア。　I just searched the entire Pokémon　Japanese website for zorua both in romanji and in katakana. No results showed up. When I searched zoroa in katakana a lot of results came up.　We should contact an administrator and ask to change that page. {{unsigned|Kuree}}

== Protected? ==

{{tt|Why? I guess because people would be eager to put irrelevant speculation on the page, but is that a good enough reason?|HOORAY FOR 5TH GEN!}} --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 00:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:Any speculation would be quickly removed. But really what would people add to the page? Trivia? :/ '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::More like something about it being related to Poochyena/Riolu/Shinx. GV is has been cooking up a lot of speculation, no doubt some will be added if not protected. At Gen1king: yes, you don't know how messed up fan speculation can turn out. It could start off as pretty cool, but then turn into something weird, such as alternate formes due to its appearance being similar to many others and relation to [[Roark]] as Zo[[roark]] has it in its name. Also, speculation happens to articles pretty often and it isn't true, and encyclopedias should have true facts. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Template:Unknown information ==

I made this template to go with new Pokémon articles, don't know if it will be any help.

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- '''[[User:Flex_S|Flex]][[Special:Contributions/Flex_S|__]][[User_talk:Flex_S|S]]''' 04:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

:Looks great! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 22:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think it will be of great use once more Pokemon get revealed. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 23:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Added Zoroark to it. :-) [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:MissingNo. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 20:02, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::::It'd be nice if you would ask before changing templates. One image is good enough, thanks. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 20:07, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::It would be nice if it was protected if you don't want people to edit it. One image is OK, but I think Zourark Deserves a place on there too. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:MissingNo. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 20:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::Wait... why is there a Bulbasaur in it now? It looked better as a Zorua... --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 22:41, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Arguments about who should go there. Read the rest of the section to see what I mean (and then check the template's history). [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::It looks much better now. It's really clear about what it's trying to say. - '''[[User:Flex_S|Flex]][[Special:Contributions/Flex_S|__]][[User_talk:Flex_S|S]]''' 19:08, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== Interwiki link to Pokéteca ==

There's an article about Zorua on [[:es:Zorua|Pokéteca]] now, so can someone who has the ability to edit this article add it in? I'd do it myself, but since it's protected... --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 05:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::Done. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 07:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Cool, thanks. Also, there's one for [[:es:Zoroark|Zoroark as well]].

:::And before anybody says anything, yes, I know that both articles are far from complete, and probably have some awkward grammar... --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 07:44, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Done. Well we barely have any info so it's bound to have any actual information. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 07:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Premiere==

I think premiere is misspelled in In the anime section. - [[User:Pkmn master|Pkmn master]] 7:48 12 Febuary 2010 (UTC)

== Eyes? ==

In the scan it appears with both, green and light blue, should that be added to trivia? [[User:Kamusioso|Kamus, the kpo...]] 01:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:So I guess every member of the same species will always have the same eye-color? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 16:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Did I Miss Something? ==
I must have, because I was still thinking that we decided to keep this out of the mainspace.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 05:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's a real Pokémon. It was being kept out of the mainspace temporarily because it was being developed. Development stage = not ready yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

==Physiology==
Does anyone else notice that the "large, whorled scruff of fur on its head, tipped with red coloration" looks a LOT like a flame, doesn't that deserve to be put somewhere? [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 14:00, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Speculation. And it doesn't look like a flame to me. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::I was ABOUT TO SAY THE SAME THING! XD It would look like this I think. "Zorua's ears are triangular with dark insides, and it has a large, whorled scruff of fur on its head that resembles a flame, tipped with red coloration." [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 11:21, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Should we note this? ==

Should we note how Zorua looks a lot like Vulpix? We already compared Zoroark to Ninetales, but these guys look even more similar! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 16:07, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Check out the Gen. V page, I'd link it, but for some weird reason I can't find it... [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 20:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

What's up with the sprite it is really low quality. I'd like to ask if I could upload my own sprite as replacement until the official sprite is revealed. I know it's not important or any thing it's just that the sprite here is said to come from 4-chan meaning it could be any one's sprite. [[User:Roconza]]
:I find nothing wrong with the current one. --[[User:Gizamimi Pichu|'''ギザみみピチュー''']][[User talk:Gizamimi Pichu|''' 話して''']] 00:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::ok, just trying to help out here. Please disregard my comment then. [[User:Roconza]]
:::It's a placeholder. It's hardly low quality, either. It's just a clear PNG. And it's been edited to match the actual Pokémon better by Umeko, so... yeah. Why should we replace it? ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 00:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Ok, then let's just forget I ever even said any thing. I can can take a hint.[[User:Roconza]]
I've got the official sprite from the screenshot http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Zorua_Sprite.png [[User:Toastie]]

== Body Style ==

Shouldn't Zorua be like this [[File:Body08.png]]--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 06:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:It probably will be, but we don't speculate. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 10:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::This is assuming that the new game's Pokédex will even have a catergory for body shape [[User:PDL|PDL]] 20:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Though actually the Gen IV games' Pokédex doesn't have the colorlist that Gen III had... the colors are there, though, in the PC. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:54, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Name origin ==
Note that "Zoru" translates to "dawn" in Serbian.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 19:55, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's funny, considering it's a Dark-type. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 11:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Rua is actually an arabic name with the meaning "dreams" or "visions". This may pose some significance. [[User talk:Aggravore|Aggravore]] 22:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

:: Zorro means fox in Spanish. Not quite as mystical as the other suggestions but I thought it was worth mentioning :P [[user:TheLilacPilgrim|''TheLilacPilgrim'']]
::: Right. And "rua" means "red-haired" in Irish, likely referring to the red highlight in its fur. I thought someone pointed this out before, and yet it still hasn't been added to the article. It's not like there's an official source for name origins, so I'm not quite sure what the people with editing privileges are waiting for. We have a perfectly logical name origin: Zorua = "zorro" + "rua" (red-haired fox). Someone needs to add this already, I can't see any reason not to.--[[User:A Tell-Tale Heart|A Tell-Tale Heart]] 20:05, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

:: "Zoroaster" was also the name of an ancient Iranian prophet and philosopher involved with astrology and magic. {{unsigned|Nekku}}
:::I think that we should add the dreams and visions part in because the pokemon in which Zorua evolves into is THE RULER OF ILLUSION. [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 11:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Anime Artwork ==

Should it state that Zorua and also {{p|Zoroark}} has a different colouration in the anime artwork? -- ([[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|''95'']]) 14:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:No, because practically ALL Pokémon have different colors used in their artwork. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

=="Has no pupils"==
Are you sure? (says so in the Physiology section) [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 23:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Evil Fox Pokemon? ==
Should it be noted that Zorua is classified as the Evil Fox Pokemon even though in the anime, they've said a few times that there is no such thing as an evil Pokemon, only evil trainers. Could Zorua and Zoroark be the first? [[User_talk:Kirby Phelps (PK)|Kirby Phelps (PK)]] 1:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:Nah, it's classified as "Dark Fox" on here... I don't think that's very notable :/ ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 07:50, 4 March 2010 (UTC))
::I think it will end up being Dark, not evil. Although I could be wrong. So that shouldn't be noted. Translations aren't always completely correct. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 15:56, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
== Movie Debut ==
it says the Zorua is expected to be in the 13th movie, but we all should know that it IS in the 13th movie now, i think it should be changed [[User:CodyDelis|Cody A. Delis]] 19:21, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:Expected to premiere. As in, that's ''as far as we know'' going to be its first appearance. There's still a possibility it or another Gen V Pokémon could debut at the Sinnoh League before this, however. The movie's still four months away; that's 16 episodes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:53, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah just saying, but yes you could be right too.

== Zorua can transform like it's evolution ==

As seen in the updated trailer where it transformed into a {{p|Piplup}}, Zorua CAN transform. Please update the special abilities section. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii confirmed Zorua's ability and it is same as Zoroark's. It is called '''Illusion'''.([[User:Kantenoh|Kantenoh]] 00:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC))
::Yet still no one has edited Zorua's page with that info...[[User:Mackinz|Yusuke SS]] 04:18, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== too lazy to think of a subject ==

is there a reason why zoroa and its evolved form were released before the starters of gen 5? {{unsigned|Maximillion}}
:That normally happens for a new generation. .____.
:For questions like this, ask somewhere at the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/index.php forums] please. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
::To clarify:
::*We saw Ho-Oh, Togepi, Marill, Snubbull, Donphan, Slowking, and Elekid ''long'' before we saw Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile.
::*We saw Kecleon, Azurill, and Wailmer ''long'' before we saw Treecko, Torchic, and Mudkip.
::*We saw Munchlax, Weavile, and Lucario ''long'' before we saw Turtwig, Chimchar, and Piplup.
::We likely won't see the starters until late this year; they're always among the last Pokémon revealed before a generation begins. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

From the leak we have official(er) sprites of zorua, should we replace the unofficial we have now? [[User:Kamusioso|Kamus, the kpo...]] 16:28, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:Not yet... those were anything but clear. Once we get some clear screenshots from the official site or something (with the DS's correct screen size and everything), we'll probably replace it. But now? Nah. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 16:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
The official Japanese site just released a clearer picture of Zorua and Zoroark's battle. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 13:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:The sprite is still stretched, due to Nintendo failing at 3D. So it may be hard to create a completely accurate sprite. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 18:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== New Trailer ==

According to the new trailer, http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=vsXSeKB6i2g, little Z can create illusions too. Could someone edit that in? -Mackinz

Well? Is it gonna get edited in or what? [[User:Mackinz|Mackinz]] 14:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:That trailer seems a little fake...{{unsigned|Kuree}}
::It's even on pokemon.co.jp: http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/index.html
::Trailer is the little box with zorua starting to run. Click it for full size. [[User:Mackinz|Mackinz]] 14:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Also in the trailer, there is a scene where Zorua is communicating via telepathy. Once again, the trailer is the small box with Zorua running on http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/index.html [[User:Mackinz|Yusuke SS]] 05:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Sorry, but it's on various sites! ==

I can't help it, but I keep seeing that everyone's talkin' on this rumor about the starters are Zorua and Zorark. Can't we put on this article and the Zorark? (As a rumor, of course)--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 16:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:Unconfirmed, dumb speculation, it's not gonna go on the page. We'll only talk about Gen V starters on pages when Gen V starter info is released, not some speculation crap. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 17:15, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oops.--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 21:13, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:I second that. This seems to be a speculation without backing up evidence. --'''HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ [[User:HTMLCODER.exe|/usr]][[Special:Contributions/HTMLCODER.exe|/bin]][[User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe|/apache2]] -k restart''' 23:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
I know that it's obvious to everyone that Zorua is the first gen V pokemon revealed, but I think Bulbapedia should be precise and grammatically correct (comma after revealed) , saying "Zorua was '''the''' first '''Generation V Pokémon''' revealed''',''' alongside its evolved form, Zoroark, in the March 2010 issue of CoroCoro."
:Oops, guess I misunderstood it. But how about adding that instead?[[User:Malake256|WeavilePwns]] 02:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, Zoruark was the first one revealed. He was revealed by a february episode of Pokemon Sunday. Zorua came from the following issue of CoroCoro. [[User:Mackinz|Mackinz]] 14:20, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==
Now that we have the real sprite of Zorua, shouldn't the note saying "THIS SPRITE IS FAKE" when it's hovered over be removed? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:14, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
:The template is used on Zoroark's page too. We do not have Zoroark's official sprite yet. Naturally, the template will also be used on other pages when we get new Pokémon. I think it is best that we keep it there. Besides, is says ''art... '''may''' not be official''. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

== the type matchups are useless ==

the type-matchups are just speculation, as the official types have not been annnounced, and zorua has not been annouced in any game where these types are confirmed.
just saying.{{unsigned|The snargret guy}}
:Please sign your comments.--[[User:Pokelova|''Pokélova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(Talk)'']] 22:59, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
::You do have a point... I guess we will see what an Admin says. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 23:19, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:::In this instance, we shall include it because nothing to the contrary has been announced. At the current time, that's how it stacks up. If Generation V does an unexpected shakeup of the type effectiveness chart, we shall adjust accordingly. Regards, —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== Chinese (Taiwan) names ==

The [http://www.my-cartoon.com.tw/pokemon/2010movie.htm Official Taiwanese Pokémon Anime Distributor Website] has already revealed the movie in Chinese and Zoroa & Zoroark's Mandarin Chinese names. Zoroa is 索羅亞 ''Suǒluóyà'' and Zoroark is 索羅亞克 ''Suǒluóyàkè''. They're basically phonetic transliterations of their Japanese names. Hope that someone with powers will add them. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Tod ==

Isn't a Baby Fox called a Tod? [[User:Cynthia149]] 20:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry, I haven't heard that term before, you can't expect it to change to "Zorua is likely based on a tod" I don't think many people would be familiar with that. There's nothing wrong with using baby fox. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:28, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's an old english pronouncation on describing a baby fox, like Cub to a baby bear and big cat, puppies to a baby dog and Kittens to a baby cat and baby rabbit. If you read the Peter Rabbit books and watch the disney movie 'The Fox and the Hound,' the foxes are named Tod. If comfused to what I've said, call it a Fox Cub instead! [[User:Cynthia149]] 21:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I fail to see how any of this matters lol, call him a tod if you want, i doubt it'll enter any articles. If you're so dedicated to tom's around the world add it to vulpix's page (sarcasm, with all due respect) (: [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 04:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== I have to ask ==

Why are all the type effectiveness charts displayed as sixteen "Unknown"s with x1? I thought I remember reading we decided that we should keep the current effectiveness. Can't remember where, but I know it was one of the first things on the talk page.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I lie in wait...... 02:45, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, I was wrong. The section I meant was three sections above this one.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I lie in wait...... 02:47, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::I just clicked the Purge button and it seemed to fix it, so it looks like a cache glitch, and should be fixed for everyone, given that it purged the server cache. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:02, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==Moves==
I saw that it was confirmed that Zorua learns an attack called Trickery from many reliable sources, including CoroCoro. The attack, although only gives the description, attacks the opponent using their own stats. (so steelix would get almost no damage and rampardos would recieve heavy damage) Zoroark also learns claw sharpen, which raises attack and accuracy(but it is not known by how much), though it hasn't been confirmed if Zorua does. {{unsigned|Jmassacre}}
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== First Non-legendary event only? ==

I may be wrong about this, but aren't Zorua and Zoroark the first non-legendary event exlusive pokèmon? If this is true, shouldn't it be added to the trivia? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 02:44, 17 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:While we do now that both of them can be obtained by events, we don't know that they are exclusive to these events. In addition, Rotom's appliance forms were the first (causing them to be banned from tournaments), but the release of HGSS made them available outside of events too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== A Few Quick Changes ==

Four things, number one, I think (as I said before) that I agree that we should put in the part concerning Zorua's head tuft looking somewhat like a flame. Number two, the person who did write the description failed to mention Zorua's cheek fur so I think we should add it in as well, the final edited part looking like this. "Zorua's ears are triangular with dark insides, and it has a large, whorled scruff of fur on its head that resembles a flame, tipped with red coloration. Its eyes appear to possess no pupils, and its eyelids and circular "eyebrow" markings are red. Zorua seems to have small spikes of fur on its cheeks, possesses a ruff of black fur around its neck, and limbs tipped with red." Number three, to find this page in the search bar you can type in either "Zorua" or "Zoroa", I know this will be fixed when the english name comes out, but bear in mind THAT BOTH SEARCHES LEAD TO THIS PAGE, so typing in "Zoroa" gets you to the "Zorua" page! I think we should change it to "Zoroa" seeing how it evolves into "Zoroark". And finally, four. Instead of saying 0 cycles and 0 steps to hatch Under "Breeding", shouldn't it say say something like "Amount of Cycles/Steps Unknown"? If this fourth minor fix does get fixed can it be fixed for every other yet-to-be-released Pokemon? Minna-san, Arigato Gozaimasu. [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 11:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:1 and 2. Seem reasonable. 3. Zoroa redirects here as that is the exact romanisation, but Zorua is the trademarked romanisation. Take {{p|Regigigas}} for example, which has a direct romanisation of ''Rejigigasu'', but a trademarked romanisation of ''Regigigas''. On Bulbapedia, we will give the trademarked romanistion, as these are official. I don't see the problem with having an alternate name redirect to the Pokémon's page. 4. It's just blank for now. It's not possible for something to have 0 egg cycles, so it should be fine for now; however, it might be better to hide that part until we know what it is. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:38, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, hiding it would be good. Whatever we Bulbapedia/Pokemon nerds (XD lol) can do to make it less confusing for the non-obsessed. P.S. It is possible for a pokemon do have 0 cycles/steps, I mean you can't breed a legendary. Therefore resulting in technically resulting in 0 cycles/steps. But usually there would be a little note saying that it CAN'T breed, so there should be a little note here saying that we don't know what it takes TO breed, or hatch, whatever. [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 13:05, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, even legendary Pokémon have egg cycles, but they are not used (except on {{p|Manaphy}}). Check the legendary Pokémon's pages and you will see that we do give these with a a side note that they cannot be legitimately obtained as an egg. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:20, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Okay I checked {{p|Dialga}} and noticed that there are steps and cycles but where"s the sidenote? I can't find where the "*" leads to. Also, if you cant obtain it legitimately from an egg, the note should be somewhere really close? Shouldn't it? And for the other legendaries too. [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 15:24, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Minccino (Pokémon)

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==Name==
Bulbanews says it's Chiramii, with one 'a'.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
==Physiology for the admins to implement==
Chiramii is a furry, white-colored rodent-like Pokémon, sporting scruffs of fur on its head, ear insides, and neck. Chiramii’s large ears, located to the sides of its head, have red insides partly covered by the aforementioned tufts of fur there. Its eyes are large and brown, with a small, dot-like nose. Its limbs are somewhat rounded and small, and its tail is long and particularly furry. (I hope that this description is phrased well, I felt that it was more repetitive than the others....) [[User:Steph|Steph]] 16:06, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done, thanks for writing these. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
::I think the description should include that it is actually a light grey, and only has white on the tips of its ears and tail... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 19:21, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== National Dex Number ==

Since Chiramii is number 78 in the isshu dex, that means it's number 571 in the national dex. You guys (the admins) think you could add that to the stuff n such? -[[User:Carrottime]]
:It doesn't always work like that. The Isshu dex may have Pokémon that are already known, like how Magikarp and Gyarados are found in the Sinnoh dex. Since they're already in the National dex, the Sinnoh dex doesn't match up exactly with the National dex. The same probably goes for Isshu, so we'll just have to wait until we know exactly what it is. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 19:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

==Romanization==
Shouldn't we use a better romanized name, like we did back in [[Generation IV]]? It can be replaced when the trademarked romaji comes out. Since we all know its name comes from ''chinchilla'', it would be more correct to use Chillamii, Chillami, Chillamie or Chillamy. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 06:08, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:We're not supposed to until trademarked Romaji comes out. But there is no reason for this page to be at an incorrect Hepburn Romanization.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 18:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Name origin.It might be a mixture of chinchilla and "チラ見(chirami)". ==

チラ見(chirami) is a lovely gesture that the child does. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:You may want to explain a little more about the gesture. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 15:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

::Chirami is a gesture of the line of vision. If the child does chirami, it becomes a very lovely gesture. If the adult does chirami, it becomes an unpleasant act. (lol . [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:32, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I still don't get it....--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 16:01, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I think he means, like...averting your eyes and looking up occasionally? ("chirachira" is intermittently, "mi" is look) When a kid does it it seems cute and bashful, but an adult doing it is never positive (he doesn't have the balls to look me in the eye or he's just disrespecting me, etc.).—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:01, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::::It can literally be translated as "glancing look." Pretty much what Uru said... except that I think what Sawamular was saying is that if an adult does it, it's generally in a sexual/seductive manner. XD [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::And I think it is just coincidence that Chiramii has that in its name, it doesn't seem to be a Pokémon that would glance at people. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 19:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::: Mr. Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ perfectly represented what I had wanted to say. Thank you for supplementing my explanation. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 05:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::: If "チラ見(chirami)" is in fact the insperation for the name it could be a refrence to it having a cute and childlike appeal. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 12:46, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

== Questionable Grammer ==
May I please do something about some of the grammer in the physiology descriptions of some of the pokémon. "Ear insides" come on guys, it should be "the inside of its ears". In the futur I would hope to see beter grammer, as it makes the articles sound more professional.[[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 10:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think you should also improve your grammar as well. But I somewhat agree... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 04:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Sorry but my gramer gets sloppy if I have no reason to correct it (this is not the actual article). Thanks for backing me up though. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 11:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I think it best be left to an admin.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Given that the grammar is questionable, {{tt|as opposed to bad|i.e. it's not perfect, but it is easily understandable}}, we have bigger things to worry about at the moment. But if you want to rewrite it or fix stuff, post it here and we can put it in the article. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Realy it is mostly the "ear insides" thing that bothers me. I have seen this in pages from Venusaur to Chiramii (there is a possible 68 pages were this errer might be), with permission I would like to go back and change this... over the next 23 days. (stupid editing limit!) [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 8:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::I think "ear insides" sounds pretty stupid too... though it doesn't help that I'm not a fan of the physiology sections in the first place. Anyways, I edited it out of {{p|Venusaur}}, and if you see any more, please feel free to edit it yourself or post a note on the talk page. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 16:08, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::This idea was a bust. I just got a message saying the edits are not helping the articles and that I should stop. There are simply to many edits. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 1:46 20 July 2010

==Evolution==
Okay I know we don't have any info on the evolutions of Chiramii but couldn't we say something like "It Is Unknown Wether This Pokemon Can Evolve Or Not" not something like giving it only one stage and saying its "Unevolved". The first time I saw it I was like "WHAAATTTTTT???!!!!!!" It could cause confusion to other people who don't know and Pokemon besides freakin' Pikachu. And remeber peoples, CHIRAMII IS SPELLED WITH ONE A, NOT TWO, ONE. ONE A. NOT TWO, ONE. ONNNNNEEEEEEE. [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 12:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:Well, that template is there to show that is has no confirmed evolutions or pre-evolutions. I don't really like having it there, but I do see why it should be there. I don't know why it would be so confusing to people who don't know Pokémon besides Pikachu. Finally, it is not spelled anywhere on the article with two 'A's, so I don't see why you are making a point of this. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
::I'm just saying if a person stumbled upon this site somehow and saw that at first glance that Chiramii was not evolved because of our limited info they might think that Chiramii was a one-evolution pokemon he/she might go out and tell his/her friends and bam you've got a group of people with the wrong info. The way that its presented it just confusing, that's all. So I was wondering if we could make it ''less'' confusing. And also if you type in "Chiraamii" or "Chiramii" in the search bar it leads to the same page, there's a similar problem with "Zoroa"/"Zorua". However for that case we have an evolution so I think it should be "Zoroa" to go along with "Zoroa"rk(Zoroark). I know that this will all be fixed when the english comes out but for now I'm just trying to make everything less confusing. [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 13:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:::It's called redirects.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 06:45, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Exactally just do that, but even then its the wrong spelling and is giving you something else. But still, what else can a person mean if they type in "Chiraamii"? XD [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 15:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Minccino (Pokémon)

2010-07-20T13:45:10Z

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2010-07-20T12:19:19Z

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==Name==
Bulbanews says it's Chiramii, with one 'a'.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
==Physiology for the admins to implement==
Chiramii is a furry, white-colored rodent-like Pokémon, sporting scruffs of fur on its head, ear insides, and neck. Chiramii’s large ears, located to the sides of its head, have red insides partly covered by the aforementioned tufts of fur there. Its eyes are large and brown, with a small, dot-like nose. Its limbs are somewhat rounded and small, and its tail is long and particularly furry. (I hope that this description is phrased well, I felt that it was more repetitive than the others....) [[User:Steph|Steph]] 16:06, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done, thanks for writing these. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
::I think the description should include that it is actually a light grey, and only has white on the tips of its ears and tail... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 19:21, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== National Dex Number ==

Since Chiramii is number 78 in the isshu dex, that means it's number 571 in the national dex. You guys (the admins) think you could add that to the stuff n such? -[[User:Carrottime]]
:It doesn't always work like that. The Isshu dex may have Pokémon that are already known, like how Magikarp and Gyarados are found in the Sinnoh dex. Since they're already in the National dex, the Sinnoh dex doesn't match up exactly with the National dex. The same probably goes for Isshu, so we'll just have to wait until we know exactly what it is. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 19:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

==Romanization==
Shouldn't we use a better romanized name, like we did back in [[Generation IV]]? It can be replaced when the trademarked romaji comes out. Since we all know its name comes from ''chinchilla'', it would be more correct to use Chillamii, Chillami, Chillamie or Chillamy. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 06:08, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:We're not supposed to until trademarked Romaji comes out. But there is no reason for this page to be at an incorrect Hepburn Romanization.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 18:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Name origin.It might be a mixture of chinchilla and "チラ見(chirami)". ==

チラ見(chirami) is a lovely gesture that the child does. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:You may want to explain a little more about the gesture. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 15:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

::Chirami is a gesture of the line of vision. If the child does chirami, it becomes a very lovely gesture. If the adult does chirami, it becomes an unpleasant act. (lol . [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:32, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I still don't get it....--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 16:01, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I think he means, like...averting your eyes and looking up occasionally? ("chirachira" is intermittently, "mi" is look) When a kid does it it seems cute and bashful, but an adult doing it is never positive (he doesn't have the balls to look me in the eye or he's just disrespecting me, etc.).—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:01, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::::It can literally be translated as "glancing look." Pretty much what Uru said... except that I think what Sawamular was saying is that if an adult does it, it's generally in a sexual/seductive manner. XD [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::And I think it is just coincidence that Chiramii has that in its name, it doesn't seem to be a Pokémon that would glance at people. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 19:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::: Mr. Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ perfectly represented what I had wanted to say. Thank you for supplementing my explanation. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 05:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::: If "チラ見(chirami)" is in fact the insperation for the name it could be a refrence to it having a cute and childlike appeal. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 12:46, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

== Questionable Grammer ==
May I please do something about some of the grammer in the physiology descriptions of some of the pokémon. "Ear insides" come on guys, it should be "the inside of its ears". In the futur I would hope to see beter grammer, as it makes the articles sound more professional.[[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 10:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think you should also improve your grammar as well. But I somewhat agree... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 04:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Sorry but my gramer gets sloppy if I have no reason to correct it (this is not the actual article). Thanks for backing me up though. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 11:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I think it best be left to an admin.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Given that the grammar is questionable, {{tt|as opposed to bad|i.e. it's not perfect, but it is easily understandable}}, we have bigger things to worry about at the moment. But if you want to rewrite it or fix stuff, post it here and we can put it in the article. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Realy it is mostly the "ear insides" thing that bothers me. I have seen this in pages from Venusaur to Chiramii (there is a possible 68 pages were this errer might be), with permission I would like to go back and change this... over the next 23 days. (stupid editing limit!) [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 8:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::I think "ear insides" sounds pretty stupid too... though it doesn't help that I'm not a fan of the physiology sections in the first place. Anyways, I edited it out of {{p|Venusaur}}, and if you see any more, please feel free to edit it yourself or post a note on the talk page. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 16:08, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::This idea was a bust. I just got a message saying the edits are not helping the articles and that I should stop. There are simply to many edits. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 1:46 20 July 2010

== Evolution ==

Okay I know we don't have any info on the evolutions of Chiramii but couldn't we say something like "It Is Unknown Wether This Pokemon Can Evolve Or Not" not something like giving it only one stage and saying its "Unevolved". The first time I saw it I was like "WHAAATTTTTT???!!!!!!" It could cause confusion to other people who don't know and Pokemon besides freakin' Pikachu. And remeber peoples, CHIRAMII IS SPELLED WITH ONE A, NOT TWO, ONE. ONE A. NOT TWO, ONE. ONNNNNEEEEEEE. [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 12:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Zorua (Pokémon)

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Talk:Zorua (Pokémon)

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== Questions, questions, questions. ==
Quag, can we edit this page? -[[user:?????|Full of]] [[user talk:?????|Questions]]
:As long as you don't put in any nonsense speculation, yes. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 00:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Since I can't edit this, can someone point out that Zorua and Zoroark appear to be based off of the shapshifting kitsune in Japanese folklore? Especially when you compare its reddish facial markings to the red marks that often outline the face in "kitsune" masks? thanks - {{unsigned|Ninja wolf}}
::Also, "Zorro" (similar to Zorua and Zoroark) is spanish for fox. This should probably be name origin (until we get their English names) [[User:Takharii|'''たかはりい''']]'''☆'''[[User talk:Takharii|Talk!]] 07:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Can we take the Fake sprites off this page? They're fake and obviously have no place there. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 17:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::They are used as replacements until real sprites are made. They say they are fake when you scroll over them and when you click on them. It is similar to using the images that are used in the infobox. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 17:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Not paying attention to the file information, eh Bttsstewart? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::No, I saw that. COuldn't it just say something like "SPRITE NOT RELEASED" or something in that box until the real one's come out? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Zorua? Zoroa? ==

Shouldn't it be added (trivia, perhaps?) that the Katakana spelling of its name says "Zoroa", although the romanization says "Zorua"? [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 20:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:I don't see why it can't be put there. [[User:Gizamimi Pichu|Gizamimi Pichu]] 20:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Not really notable. {{p|Umbreon}}'s Katakana is phonetically Burakki, while the trademarked romanization is Blacky. It's quite common for the trademarked romanization to be slightly different than the Katakana would be phonetically. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 20:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::That's not the same thing though. "Burakki" is the closest Japanese equivalent to the name "Blacky", which us the intended name. The name written as "Burakki" is still pronounced "Blacky" even though the individual kana are pronounced differently. With "Zorua", the syllable "ru" is written with the kana for "ro", for no apparent reason. The only logical reason to do this is if the "rua" part comes from a language where "u" is pronounced "o" to preserve the original language's spelling. The thing us, I can't think of any language where this is the case. Either the name "Zorua" is a typo, or they're intentionally misspelling the name. Unless someone can provide a reasonable name origin that warrants this seemingly erroneous spelling or proof that it is indeed a typo, I think we should mention it in the article.--[[User:Numquam Periit Amor|Numquam Periit Amor]] 04:51, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Don't ask us what their reasoning was. They come up with the names in romaji first, it seems, and then katakanify them. See シェイミ and Shaymin. Romanize that and you get SHEIMI, but repeatedly the romaji has been used as SHAYMIN. Same with レジギガス and REGIGAS, not REJIGIGASU. クラブ is CRAB, not KURABU.
::::Official romanization trumps any and all other romanizations. Period. YONOIR, not YONOWAARU, for ヨノワール. Hey, maybe they thought "ZOROA" looked dumb next to "ZOROARK". Don't ''bother'' with the romanizations. We're not dumb; we KNOW how to romanize katakana at least, something that ''so many damn people don't get''. It's in the ''manual of style'' and has '''''its own section'''''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::You're not listening to me, jerk. I never insinuated that anyone here doesn't understand katakana. I was merely pointing out that the OFFICIAL ROMANIZATION does not match up with the CORRECT ROMANIZATION. And your examples prove that, while you understand katakana perfectly (aren't you a genius?), you clearly DO NOT understand name origins. ヨノワール is romanized YONOIR instead of YONOWAARU because NOWAARU is the closest equivalent to the French word "NOIR". Same with クラブ, it's romanized CRAB because クラブ is how you write CRAB in Japanese. They always romanize word parts according to the SOURCE LANGUAGE SPELLING. From what I can tell, the RUA in ZORUA is Irish for "red-haired", referring to the red highlights on its fur. But RUA is pronounced ROO-uh, not ROH-uh. Since a name origin for the apparently incorrect romanization has been found, it appears that the ROMANIZATION is correct, but the KATAKANA is wrong. It's just like you said, they came up with the romanization before the katakana. They just put the WRONG katakana. {{unsigned|Numquam Periit Amor}}
::::::Exactly. Say the romanized Japanese name out loud and it sounds just like the English name. Besides, the Zoroa/Zoroark naming convention (i.e. adding/subtracting a couple letters to the name for the next evolution) has precedent. See: [[Kabuto]]/[[Kabutops]], [[Pidgeotto (Pokemon)|Pidgeotto]]/[[Pidgeot (Pokemon)|Pidgeot]], etc. --[[User:Rycr|Rycr]] 06:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Please allow me to make this clear. this is "zo"　ゾ　This is "ro"　ロ　This is "a"　ア　Together the become　ゾロア。　This is "ru"　ル　Together they become　ゾルア。　I just searched the entire Pokémon　Japanese website for zorua both in romanji and in katakana. No results showed up. When I searched zoroa in katakana a lot of results came up.　We should contact an administrator and ask to change that page. {{unsigned|Kuree}}

== Protected? ==

{{tt|Why? I guess because people would be eager to put irrelevant speculation on the page, but is that a good enough reason?|HOORAY FOR 5TH GEN!}} --[[User:Gen1king|''GEN'']]1[[User talk:Gen1king|KING]] 00:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:Any speculation would be quickly removed. But really what would people add to the page? Trivia? :/ '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::More like something about it being related to Poochyena/Riolu/Shinx. GV is has been cooking up a lot of speculation, no doubt some will be added if not protected. At Gen1king: yes, you don't know how messed up fan speculation can turn out. It could start off as pretty cool, but then turn into something weird, such as alternate formes due to its appearance being similar to many others and relation to [[Roark]] as Zo[[roark]] has it in its name. Also, speculation happens to articles pretty often and it isn't true, and encyclopedias should have true facts. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Template:Unknown information ==

I made this template to go with new Pokémon articles, don't know if it will be any help.

[[Template:Unknown information]]
- '''[[User:Flex_S|Flex]][[Special:Contributions/Flex_S|__]][[User_talk:Flex_S|S]]''' 04:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

:Looks great! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 22:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think it will be of great use once more Pokemon get revealed. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 23:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Added Zoroark to it. :-) [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:MissingNo. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 20:02, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::::It'd be nice if you would ask before changing templates. One image is good enough, thanks. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 20:07, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::It would be nice if it was protected if you don't want people to edit it. One image is OK, but I think Zourark Deserves a place on there too. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:MissingNo. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 20:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::Wait... why is there a Bulbasaur in it now? It looked better as a Zorua... --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 22:41, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Arguments about who should go there. Read the rest of the section to see what I mean (and then check the template's history). [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::It looks much better now. It's really clear about what it's trying to say. - '''[[User:Flex_S|Flex]][[Special:Contributions/Flex_S|__]][[User_talk:Flex_S|S]]''' 19:08, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== Interwiki link to Pokéteca ==

There's an article about Zorua on [[:es:Zorua|Pokéteca]] now, so can someone who has the ability to edit this article add it in? I'd do it myself, but since it's protected... --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 05:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::Done. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 07:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Cool, thanks. Also, there's one for [[:es:Zoroark|Zoroark as well]].

:::And before anybody says anything, yes, I know that both articles are far from complete, and probably have some awkward grammar... --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 07:44, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Done. Well we barely have any info so it's bound to have any actual information. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 07:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Premiere==

I think premiere is misspelled in In the anime section. - [[User:Pkmn master|Pkmn master]] 7:48 12 Febuary 2010 (UTC)

== Eyes? ==

In the scan it appears with both, green and light blue, should that be added to trivia? [[User:Kamusioso|Kamus, the kpo...]] 01:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:So I guess every member of the same species will always have the same eye-color? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 16:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Did I Miss Something? ==
I must have, because I was still thinking that we decided to keep this out of the mainspace.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 05:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's a real Pokémon. It was being kept out of the mainspace temporarily because it was being developed. Development stage = not ready yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

==Physiology==
Does anyone else notice that the "large, whorled scruff of fur on its head, tipped with red coloration" looks a LOT like a flame, doesn't that deserve to be put somewhere? [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 14:00, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Speculation. And it doesn't look like a flame to me. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::I was ABOUT TO SAY THE SAME THING! XD It would look like this I think. "Zorua's ears are triangular with dark insides, and it has a large, whorled scruff of fur on its head that resembles a flame, tipped with red coloration." [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 11:21, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Should we note this? ==

Should we note how Zorua looks a lot like Vulpix? We already compared Zoroark to Ninetales, but these guys look even more similar! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 16:07, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Check out the Gen. V page, I'd link it, but for some weird reason I can't find it... [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 20:09, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

What's up with the sprite it is really low quality. I'd like to ask if I could upload my own sprite as replacement until the official sprite is revealed. I know it's not important or any thing it's just that the sprite here is said to come from 4-chan meaning it could be any one's sprite. [[User:Roconza]]
:I find nothing wrong with the current one. --[[User:Gizamimi Pichu|'''ギザみみピチュー''']][[User talk:Gizamimi Pichu|''' 話して''']] 00:46, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::ok, just trying to help out here. Please disregard my comment then. [[User:Roconza]]
:::It's a placeholder. It's hardly low quality, either. It's just a clear PNG. And it's been edited to match the actual Pokémon better by Umeko, so... yeah. Why should we replace it? ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 00:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Ok, then let's just forget I ever even said any thing. I can can take a hint.[[User:Roconza]]
I've got the official sprite from the screenshot http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Zorua_Sprite.png [[User:Toastie]]

== Body Style ==

Shouldn't Zorua be like this [[File:Body08.png]]--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 06:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:It probably will be, but we don't speculate. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 10:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::This is assuming that the new game's Pokédex will even have a catergory for body shape [[User:PDL|PDL]] 20:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Though actually the Gen IV games' Pokédex doesn't have the colorlist that Gen III had... the colors are there, though, in the PC. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:54, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Name origin ==
Note that "Zoru" translates to "dawn" in Serbian.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 19:55, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's funny, considering it's a Dark-type. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 11:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Rua is actually an arabic name with the meaning "dreams" or "visions". This may pose some significance. [[User talk:Aggravore|Aggravore]] 22:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

:: Zorro means fox in Spanish. Not quite as mystical as the other suggestions but I thought it was worth mentioning :P [[user:TheLilacPilgrim|''TheLilacPilgrim'']]
::: Right. And "rua" means "red-haired" in Irish, likely referring to the red highlight in its fur. I thought someone pointed this out before, and yet it still hasn't been added to the article. It's not like there's an official source for name origins, so I'm not quite sure what the people with editing privileges are waiting for. We have a perfectly logical name origin: Zorua = "zorro" + "rua" (red-haired fox). Someone needs to add this already, I can't see any reason not to.--[[User:A Tell-Tale Heart|A Tell-Tale Heart]] 20:05, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

:: "Zoroaster" was also the name of an ancient Iranian prophet and philosopher involved with astrology and magic. {{unsigned|Nekku}}
:::I think that we should add the dreams and visions part in because the pokemon in which Zorua evolves into is THE RULER OF ILLUSION. [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 11:28, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Anime Artwork ==

Should it state that Zorua and also {{p|Zoroark}} has a different colouration in the anime artwork? -- ([[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|''95'']]) 14:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:No, because practically ALL Pokémon have different colors used in their artwork. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

=="Has no pupils"==
Are you sure? (says so in the Physiology section) [[User:PichuMaster|PichuMaster]] 23:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Evil Fox Pokemon? ==
Should it be noted that Zorua is classified as the Evil Fox Pokemon even though in the anime, they've said a few times that there is no such thing as an evil Pokemon, only evil trainers. Could Zorua and Zoroark be the first? [[User_talk:Kirby Phelps (PK)|Kirby Phelps (PK)]] 1:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:Nah, it's classified as "Dark Fox" on here... I don't think that's very notable :/ ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 07:50, 4 March 2010 (UTC))
::I think it will end up being Dark, not evil. Although I could be wrong. So that shouldn't be noted. Translations aren't always completely correct. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 15:56, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
== Movie Debut ==
it says the Zorua is expected to be in the 13th movie, but we all should know that it IS in the 13th movie now, i think it should be changed [[User:CodyDelis|Cody A. Delis]] 19:21, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:Expected to premiere. As in, that's ''as far as we know'' going to be its first appearance. There's still a possibility it or another Gen V Pokémon could debut at the Sinnoh League before this, however. The movie's still four months away; that's 16 episodes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:53, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah just saying, but yes you could be right too.

== Zorua can transform like it's evolution ==

As seen in the updated trailer where it transformed into a {{p|Piplup}}, Zorua CAN transform. Please update the special abilities section. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii confirmed Zorua's ability and it is same as Zoroark's. It is called '''Illusion'''.([[User:Kantenoh|Kantenoh]] 00:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC))
::Yet still no one has edited Zorua's page with that info...[[User:Mackinz|Yusuke SS]] 04:18, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== too lazy to think of a subject ==

is there a reason why zoroa and its evolved form were released before the starters of gen 5? {{unsigned|Maximillion}}
:That normally happens for a new generation. .____.
:For questions like this, ask somewhere at the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/index.php forums] please. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
::To clarify:
::*We saw Ho-Oh, Togepi, Marill, Snubbull, Donphan, Slowking, and Elekid ''long'' before we saw Chikorita, Cyndaquil, and Totodile.
::*We saw Kecleon, Azurill, and Wailmer ''long'' before we saw Treecko, Torchic, and Mudkip.
::*We saw Munchlax, Weavile, and Lucario ''long'' before we saw Turtwig, Chimchar, and Piplup.
::We likely won't see the starters until late this year; they're always among the last Pokémon revealed before a generation begins. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

From the leak we have official(er) sprites of zorua, should we replace the unofficial we have now? [[User:Kamusioso|Kamus, the kpo...]] 16:28, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:Not yet... those were anything but clear. Once we get some clear screenshots from the official site or something (with the DS's correct screen size and everything), we'll probably replace it. But now? Nah. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 16:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
The official Japanese site just released a clearer picture of Zorua and Zoroark's battle. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 13:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:The sprite is still stretched, due to Nintendo failing at 3D. So it may be hard to create a completely accurate sprite. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 18:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== New Trailer ==

According to the new trailer, http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=vsXSeKB6i2g, little Z can create illusions too. Could someone edit that in? -Mackinz

Well? Is it gonna get edited in or what? [[User:Mackinz|Mackinz]] 14:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:That trailer seems a little fake...{{unsigned|Kuree}}
::It's even on pokemon.co.jp: http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/index.html
::Trailer is the little box with zorua starting to run. Click it for full size. [[User:Mackinz|Mackinz]] 14:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Also in the trailer, there is a scene where Zorua is communicating via telepathy. Once again, the trailer is the small box with Zorua running on http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/index.html [[User:Mackinz|Yusuke SS]] 05:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Sorry, but it's on various sites! ==

I can't help it, but I keep seeing that everyone's talkin' on this rumor about the starters are Zorua and Zorark. Can't we put on this article and the Zorark? (As a rumor, of course)--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 16:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:Unconfirmed, dumb speculation, it's not gonna go on the page. We'll only talk about Gen V starters on pages when Gen V starter info is released, not some speculation crap. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 17:15, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oops.--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 21:13, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:I second that. This seems to be a speculation without backing up evidence. --'''HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ [[User:HTMLCODER.exe|/usr]][[Special:Contributions/HTMLCODER.exe|/bin]][[User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe|/apache2]] -k restart''' 23:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
I know that it's obvious to everyone that Zorua is the first gen V pokemon revealed, but I think Bulbapedia should be precise and grammatically correct (comma after revealed) , saying "Zorua was '''the''' first '''Generation V Pokémon''' revealed''',''' alongside its evolved form, Zoroark, in the March 2010 issue of CoroCoro."
:Oops, guess I misunderstood it. But how about adding that instead?[[User:Malake256|WeavilePwns]] 02:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, Zoruark was the first one revealed. He was revealed by a february episode of Pokemon Sunday. Zorua came from the following issue of CoroCoro. [[User:Mackinz|Mackinz]] 14:20, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==
Now that we have the real sprite of Zorua, shouldn't the note saying "THIS SPRITE IS FAKE" when it's hovered over be removed? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:14, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
:The template is used on Zoroark's page too. We do not have Zoroark's official sprite yet. Naturally, the template will also be used on other pages when we get new Pokémon. I think it is best that we keep it there. Besides, is says ''art... '''may''' not be official''. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

== the type matchups are useless ==

the type-matchups are just speculation, as the official types have not been annnounced, and zorua has not been annouced in any game where these types are confirmed.
just saying.{{unsigned|The snargret guy}}
:Please sign your comments.--[[User:Pokelova|''Pokélova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(Talk)'']] 22:59, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
::You do have a point... I guess we will see what an Admin says. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 23:19, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:::In this instance, we shall include it because nothing to the contrary has been announced. At the current time, that's how it stacks up. If Generation V does an unexpected shakeup of the type effectiveness chart, we shall adjust accordingly. Regards, —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:05, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== Chinese (Taiwan) names ==

The [http://www.my-cartoon.com.tw/pokemon/2010movie.htm Official Taiwanese Pokémon Anime Distributor Website] has already revealed the movie in Chinese and Zoroa & Zoroark's Mandarin Chinese names. Zoroa is 索羅亞 ''Suǒluóyà'' and Zoroark is 索羅亞克 ''Suǒluóyàkè''. They're basically phonetic transliterations of their Japanese names. Hope that someone with powers will add them. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:35, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Tod ==

Isn't a Baby Fox called a Tod? [[User:Cynthia149]] 20:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry, I haven't heard that term before, you can't expect it to change to "Zorua is likely based on a tod" I don't think many people would be familiar with that. There's nothing wrong with using baby fox. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:28, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's an old english pronouncation on describing a baby fox, like Cub to a baby bear and big cat, puppies to a baby dog and Kittens to a baby cat and baby rabbit. If you read the Peter Rabbit books and watch the disney movie 'The Fox and the Hound,' the foxes are named Tod. If comfused to what I've said, call it a Fox Cub instead! [[User:Cynthia149]] 21:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I fail to see how any of this matters lol, call him a tod if you want, i doubt it'll enter any articles. If you're so dedicated to tom's around the world add it to vulpix's page (sarcasm, with all due respect) (: [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 04:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== I have to ask ==

Why are all the type effectiveness charts displayed as sixteen "Unknown"s with x1? I thought I remember reading we decided that we should keep the current effectiveness. Can't remember where, but I know it was one of the first things on the talk page.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I lie in wait...... 02:45, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, I was wrong. The section I meant was three sections above this one.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I lie in wait...... 02:47, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::I just clicked the Purge button and it seemed to fix it, so it looks like a cache glitch, and should be fixed for everyone, given that it purged the server cache. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:02, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==Moves==
I saw that it was confirmed that Zorua learns an attack called Trickery from many reliable sources, including CoroCoro. The attack, although only gives the description, attacks the opponent using their own stats. (so steelix would get almost no damage and rampardos would recieve heavy damage) Zoroark also learns claw sharpen, which raises attack and accuracy(but it is not known by how much), though it hasn't been confirmed if Zorua does. {{unsigned|Jmassacre}}
:No.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 13:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== First Non-legendary event only? ==

I may be wrong about this, but aren't Zorua and Zoroark the first non-legendary event exlusive pokèmon? If this is true, shouldn't it be added to the trivia? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 02:44, 17 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:While we do now that both of them can be obtained by events, we don't know that they are exclusive to these events. In addition, Rotom's appliance forms were the first (causing them to be banned from tournaments), but the release of HGSS made them available outside of events too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== A Few Quick Changes ==

Four things, number one, I think (as I said before) that I agree that we should put in the part concerning Zorua's head tuft looking somewhat like a flame. Number two, the person who did write the description failed to mention Zorua's cheek fur so I think we should add it in as well, the final edited part looking like this. "Zorua's ears are triangular with dark insides, and it has a large, whorled scruff of fur on its head that resembles a flame, tipped with red coloration. Its eyes appear to possess no pupils, and its eyelids and circular "eyebrow" markings are red. Zorua seems to have small spikes of fur on its cheeks, possesses a ruff of black fur around its neck, and limbs tipped with red." Number three, to find this page in the search bar you can type in either "Zorua" or "Zoroa", I know this will be fixed when the english name comes out, but bear in mind THAT BOTH SEARCHES LEAD TO THIS PAGE, so typing in "Zoroa" gets you to the "Zorua" page! And finally, four. Instead of saying 0 cycles and 0 steps to hatch Under "Breeding", shouldn't it say say something like "Amount of Cycles/Steps Unknown"? If this fourth minor fix does get fixed can it be fixed for every other yet-to-be-released Pokemon? Minna-san, Arigato Gozaimasu. [[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 11:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

2010-02-06T14:39:33Z

Sorou:

Aren't the tags hanging from its head from a Japanese festival?

The New Year's Festival, IIRC. Not sure if it has a name, but don't they place wishing tags on trees in the hopes that the wishes written on them come true? [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 08:09, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that's it.

Excuse me, but do you mind that Jirachi's entry says that it's similiar to the Beanstar from Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga? I know the idea might be farfected, but it's a possiblity.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 06:45, 6 September 2005 (CDT)

== Dimentio? ==

Would someone be kind enough to explain to me how exactly Jirachi resembles Dimentio?
In look, and in action the two characters have little in common. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 09:01, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
:The star thing, that's all. But seriously, get rid of all the similarity things. {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|09:02 23 Mar 2008}}}'''
:: Dimentio is not shaped like a star... he is supposed to resemble a court jester. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 09:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Dimento? Please. Thats almost as bad as my idea that espeon looks like the sonic charater Blaze The Cat.[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1~♥]] 21:34, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

==Obtainable==
Should it be noted that Jirachi is obtainable via a special Pokemon Colosseum preview disk that came with Jirachi: Wish Maker? That's how I got my jirachi, a few years back. -- [[Image:Ani157MS.gif]][[User:Bug Catcher Jam|Chris]][[Image:Ani465MS.gif]] 03:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:Or, to be more accurate, the [[Pokémon Colosseum Bonus Disc]]. -- [[Image:Ani157MS.gif]][[User:Bug Catcher Jam|Chris]][[Image:Ani465MS.gif]] 07:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, you get the Bonus Disc if you pre-ordered ''Colosseum''. I didn't pre-order, and I wanted a Jirachi so bad those four years ago. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 02:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:At the time, my then girlfriend had the disk and gave me one. Still have it, in my Diamond PC.

== Grass and electric? ==

Is it really nessecary to mention Jirachi can learn some Grass and Electric type moves? {{unsigned|Zephy.Changes}}
: Nope. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 22:46, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== excuse me ==

i think there's something wrong with Jirachi's move set. Doesn't it get a STAB point from Doom Desire since it is part Steel?--[[User:Pokemongirl1|PG1 FTW!]] 12:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:{{m|Doom Desire}} don't receive STAB since it's typeless, much like {{m|Future Sight}}. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:35, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

but is says it's type is steel. im still confused.--[[User:Pokemongirl1|PG1 FTW!]] 13:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, it is a Steel-type, but it does not take type into account, ignore weakness, immunity and resistance. See {{m|Doom Desire|this page}} if you want proper explanation. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 13:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== HG/SS Location ==

If Jirachi is only available from a bonus disk, why is HG/SS pokemon location TRADE, shouldnt it be pal park, and shouldnt the name colouring be blank, yet its coloured as though its available through catching, breeding, evolving or you recieve it... or am I wrong? --[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 00:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
:"Trade" is the default location. We haven't quite got around to updating it yet. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:39, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
oh...ok!--[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 19:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
:Also, it isn't solely avalable via the Bonus Disc. There have been numerous Daisuki events in Japan, most notably the NZ event and more than likely one heading to the U.S. so technically it is trade as well. '''''-'''''[[User:LugiaRocks|'''LugiaRocks''']] ([[User talk:LugiaRocks|''Talk'']] ★ [[Special:Contributions/LugiaRocks|''Edits'']]) 19:27, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
::actually, you may already know this by now, jirachi is avalable in an upcoming HG/SS wi-fi event that opens up the night sky pokewalker(?) course. - [[User:Geomexis|Geomexis]] 13:21, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:::This is from November. They probably know this. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

== Event ==
When I got my Pikachu-Colored Pichu from GameStop the guy at the counter showed me a flyer suggesting that there will be a Jiriachi download (like the Pichu) Feb. 27- March 13. Is this true? I can't find it on Bulbapedia or GameStop's website.--[[User:Sorou|NEOgreenSOROU]] 14:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Sinnoh Route 210

2010-01-27T01:59:30Z

Sorou:

{{bad picture|article|low quality scan from game guide}}
{{RouteInfo
|article_route=210
|type=land
|imageIV=Route 210.jpg
|image=Route 210.jpg
|alteast=Route 215
|altsouth=Solaceon Town
|altwest=Celestic Town
|regionmap=Sinnoh Route210 Map.gif
|region=Sinnoh
|before=209
|after=211
}}

'''Route 210''' is a forking route that connects [[Route 215]], the way to [[Veilstone City]], with [[Solaceon Town]] and [[Celestic Town]]. Unlike previous routes, this one is covered with very tall grass, which means that player is unable to ride a [[Bicycle]] there.

==Route description==
The first time the player travels on this route, he or she will be heading north from [[Solaceon Town]]. Tall grass surrounds a narrow pathway. A range of trainers can be battled near the town exit, and many items can be found. The [[Café Cabin]] stands near the Route 215 junction. This is the only place in Sinnoh that [[MooMoo Milk]] can be purchased, and there are more battles inside.

Initially, it will be impossible to travel north past the Café, as a gathering of {{p|Psyduck}} blocks the way. These Psyduck all suffer from a serious headache, and refuse to make way. Trainers are forced to head east, onto [[Route 215]]. Later, once the [[SecretPotion]] has been obtained from [[Cynthia]], the Psyduck can be cured and access north is granted. Tall grass, as in the southern area, grows rampant. This grass is so tall that players' bicycles cannot be used. Further north, the grass clears to give rise to fog. To ease travel, the Hidden Machine {{HM|05|Defog}} may be used, although this is not compulsory. Grandma Wilma's house is nearby; {{m|Rock Climb}} must be used to access it. A windy series of bridges will eventually lead to [[Celestic Town]], passing over accessible rivers that flow from a mountaintop lake. As soon as the player arrives in Celestic Town, any remaining fog will instantly clear.

===Map information===
* This narrow route is lined with deep, tall grass that tickles the noses of people straying off the path.
* The Café Cabin stands in a wood. The house special is freshly milked Moomoo Milk.
* A canyon covered by untamed fog. It is always shrouded by a dense fog.
* Grandma Wilma's house stands alone in an isolated spot deep among the mountains.

==Areas of interest==
===Café Cabin===
{{main|Café Cabin}}
This small restaurant is the only place to buy [[MooMoo Milk]], a drink made by {{p|Miltank}} that heals sick Pokémon. Miltank, although native to the [[Johto region]] can be found on the surrounding route.

===Grandma Wilma's house===
[[Wilma|Grandma Wilma]], a [[move tutor]], lives on the northern, foggy stretch of Route 210. Previously, she lived in a famous city of [[Dragon Tamer]]s (possibly [[Blackthorn City]]), and due to this, she is able to teach the move {{m|Draco Meteor}} to a player's [[Happiness|well-trained]] {{type2|Dragon}} Pokémon.

==Items==
{{itlisth}}
{{itlistbod|Great Ball|Two (one hidden)|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Ultra Ball|Three (two hidden)|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|TM Ghost|Requires {{HM|06|Rock Smash}}|DPPt|display={{tm|30|Shadow Ball}}}}
{{itlistbod|TM Psychic|Requires {{HM|08|Rock Climb}}|Pt|display={{tm|29|Psychic}}}}
{{itlistbod|TM Flying|Given by the girl on the hill|DPPt|display={{tm|51|Roost}}}}
{{itlistbod|TM Normal|Given by the boy on the ledge|Pt|display={{tm|77|Psych Up}}}}
{{itlistbod|Nugget|Hidden, requires {{HM|08|Rock Climb}}|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Meadow Plate|Hidden, requires {{HM|03|Surf}} and {{HM|07|Waterfall}}|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Wave Incense|Requires {{HM|03|Surf}} and {{HM|07|Waterfall}}|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Hyper Potion|Two (one hidden)|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Smoke Ball|Under the second bridge, guarded by Ninja Boy Nathan|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Full Heal|Hidden|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Super Repel|North of Pokémon Breeder Kahill|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Red Shard|In Poké Ball to right of Ace Trainer Alyssa|Pt}}
{{itlistbod|Rare Candy|Found near grassy patch, left of [[honey]] tree below the [[Café Cabin]]|Pt}}
{{itlistbod|Calcium|Hidden, requires {{HM|08|Rock Climb}}|Pt}}
{{itlistbod|Nest Ball|In the top right corner of the grassy patch before the fog.|DPPt}}
{{itlistbod|Burn Heal|Hidden one space north of [[Ninja Boy]] Bruce|DPPt}}
{{itlistfoot}}

==Pokémon==
===Northern (Foggy) Section===
{{catchableheader|land}}
{{catchtime|All}}
{{catchentry4|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|no|Grass|25|20%}}
{{catchentry4|066|Machop|no|no|yes|Grass|28-29|15%}}
{{catchentry4|067|Machoke|yes|yes|yes|Grass|{{tt|26|Diamond and Pearl}}, {{tt|29-30|Platinum}}|10%}}
{{catchentry4|123|Scyther|no|no|yes|Grass|29|5%}}
{{catchentry4|400|Bibarel|yes|yes|yes|Grass|{{tt|24|Diamond and Pearl}}, {{tt|28|Platinum}}|20%}}
{{catchtime|Morning}}
{{catchentry4|066|Machop|yes|yes|no|Grass|25-26|20%}}
{{catchentry4|307|Meditite|yes|yes|no|Grass|24-26|30%}}
{{catchentry4|307|Meditite|no|no|yes|Grass|27-29|20%}}
{{catchentry4|333|Swablu|no|no|yes|Grass|27|30%}}
{{catchtime|Day}}
{{catchentry4|066|Machop|yes|yes|no|Grass|25-26|20%}}
{{catchentry4|307|Meditite|yes|yes|no|Grass|24-26|30%}}
{{catchentry4|307|Meditite|no|no|yes|Grass|27-29|20%}}
{{catchentry4|333|Swablu|no|no|yes|Grass|27|30%}}
{{catchtime|Night}}
{{catchentry4|066|Machop|yes|yes|no|Grass|25-26|10%}}
{{catchentry4|163|Hoothoot|yes|yes|yes|Grass|{{tt|24|Diamond and Pearl}}, {{tt|27|Platinum}}|10%}}
{{catchentry4|164|Noctowl|yes|yes|yes|Grass|{{tt|25|Diamond and Pearl}}, {{tt|28|Platinum}}|10%}}
{{catchentry4|307|Meditite|yes|yes|no|Grass|24-26|20%}}
{{catchentry4|307|Meditite|no|no|yes|Grass|27-29|10%}}
{{catchentry4|333|Swablu|no|no|yes|Grass|27|20%}}
{{catchtime|SurfFish}}
{{catchentry4|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|yes|Surfing|{{tt|20-40|Diamond and Pearl}}, {{tt|20-30|Platinum}}|90%}}
{{catchentry4|055|Golduck|yes|yes|yes|Surfing|20-40|10%}}
{{Catchentry4|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Old Rod|3-10|100%}}
{{Catchentry4|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|yes|Good Rod|10-25|65%}}
{{Catchentry4|339|Barboach|yes|yes|yes|Good Rod|10-25|35%}}
{{Catchentry4|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|yes|Super Rod|30-55|65%}}
{{Catchentry4|340|Whiscash|yes|yes|yes|Super Rod|20-50|35%}}
{{catchtime|Special}}
{{catchentry4|352|Kecleon|yes|no|no|[[Poké Radar]]|25-26|22%}}
{{catchentry4|371|Bagon|no|yes|yes|[[Poké Radar]]|{{tt|25-26|Pearl}}, {{tt|28|Platinum}}|22%}}
{{catchentry4|335|Zangoose|yes|yes|yes|Dongle|{{tt|26|Diamond and Pearl}}, {{tt|29-30|Platinum}}|8%|R}}
{{catchentry4|336|Seviper|yes|yes|yes|Dongle|{{tt|26|Diamond and Pearl}}, {{tt|29-30|Platinum}}|8%|S}}
{{catchablefooter|land}}

===Southern Section===
{{catchableheader|land}}
{{catchtime|All}}
{{catchentry4|074|Geodude|no|no|yes|Grass|18|20%}}
{{catchentry4|113|Chansey|yes|yes|yes|Grass|18-20|5%}}
{{catchentry4|315|Roselia|no|no|yes|Grass|20-21|15%}}
{{catchtime|Morning}}
{{catchentry4|074|Geodude|yes|yes|no|Grass|19|30%}}
{{catchentry4|077|Ponyta|yes|yes|no|Grass|18-20|30%}}
{{catchentry4|077|Ponyta|no|no|yes|Grass|19-21|25%}}
{{catchentry4|123|Scyther|no|no|yes|Grass|19-21|15%}}
{{catchentry4|397|Staravia|no|no|yes|Grass|19|20%}}
{{catchentry4|402|Kricketune|yes|yes|no|Grass|18-19|10%}}
{{catchentry4|438|Bonsly|no|yes|no|Grass|18-20|25%}}
{{catchentry4|439|Mime Jr.|yes|no|no|Grass|18-20|25%}}
{{catchtime|Day}}
{{catchentry4|077|Ponyta|yes|yes|no|Grass|18-20|50%}}
{{catchentry4|077|Ponyta|no|no|yes|Grass|19-21|45%}}
{{catchentry4|074|Geodude|yes|yes|no|Grass|19|30%}}
{{catchentry4|123|Scyther|no|no|yes|Grass|19-21|5%}}
{{catchentry4|397|Staravia|no|no|yes|Grass|19|10%}}
{{catchentry4|402|Kricketune|yes|yes|no|Grass|18-19|10%}}
{{catchentry4|438|Bonsly|no|yes|no|Grass|18-20|5%}}
{{catchentry4|439|Mime Jr.|yes|no|no|Grass|18-20|5%}}
{{catchtime|Night}}
{{catchentry4|077|Ponyta|yes|yes|no|Grass|18-20|30%}}
{{catchentry4|077|Ponyta|no|no|yes|Grass|19-21|15%}}
{{catchentry4|074|Geodude|yes|yes|no|Grass|19|10%}}
{{catchentry4|123|Scyther|no|no|yes|Grass|19-21|5%}}
{{catchentry4|163|Hoothoot|no|no|yes|Grass|20|10%}}
{{catchentry4|164|Noctowl|no|no|yes|Grass|21|10%}}
{{catchentry4|397|Staravia|no|no|yes|Grass|19|20%}}
{{catchentry4|402|Kricketune|yes|yes|no|Grass|18-19|30%}}
{{catchentry4|438|Bonsly|no|yes|no|Grass|18-20|25%}}
{{catchentry4|439|Mime Jr.|yes|no|no|Grass|18-20|25%}}
{{catchtime|Special}}
{{catchentry4|128|Tauros|yes|no|no|[[Poké Radar]]|19|20%}}
{{catchentry4|128|Tauros|no|yes|no|[[Poké Radar]]|20|2%}}
{{catchentry4|128|Tauros|no|no|yes|[[Poké Radar]]|19-20|6%}}
{{catchentry4|241|Miltank|yes|no|no|[[Poké Radar]]|20|2%}}
{{catchentry4|241|Miltank|no|yes|no|[[Poké Radar]]|19|20%}}
{{catchentry4|241|Miltank|no|no|yes|[[Poké Radar]]|19-20|6%}}
{{catchentry4|273|Seedot|yes|yes|yes|Dongle|18|4%|R}}
{{catchentry4|274|Nuzleaf|yes|yes|yes|Dongle|20|4%|R}}
{{catchentry4|204|Pineco|yes|yes|yes|Dongle|18-21|8%|E}}
{{catchablefooter|land}}

==Trainers==
===Northern (Foggy) Section===
====In {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}====
{{trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Ninja_Boy.png|Ninja Boy|Fabian|208|3|074|Geodude|♂|23|None|074|Geodude|♂|23|None|074|Geodude|♂|26|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Ninja_Boy.png|Ninja Boy|Brennan|200|2|041|Zubat|♂|25|None|451|Skorupi|♂|25|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Ninja_Boy.png|Ninja Boy|Bruce|216|1|434|Stunky|♂|28|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Ninja_Boy.png|Ninja Boy|Joel|200|4|041|Zubat|♂|23|None|041|Zubat|♂|23|None|042|Golbat|♂|25|None|451|Skorupi|♂|25|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Ninja_Boy.png|Ninja Boy|Davido|210|1|269|Dustox|♂|27|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Ninja_Boy.png|Ninja Boy|Nathan|200|2|453|Croagunk|♂|25|None|042|Golbat|♂|25|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Cool_Trainer_F.png|Ace Trainer|Alyssa|1620|2|077|Ponyta|♀|27|None|388|Grotle|♂|27|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Cool_Couple.png|Double Team|Zac & Jen Double Battle|6480|2|130|Gyarados|♂|27|None|026|Raichu|♂|27|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Cool_Trainer_M.png|Ace Trainer|Ernest|1620|3|414|Mothim|♂|25|None|095|Onix|♂|26|None|404|Luxio|♂|27|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Black_Belt.png|Black Belt|Adam|696|1|067|Machoke|♂|29|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Bird_Keeper.png|Birdkeeper|Brianna|864|2|163|Hoothoot|♀|27|None|164|Noctowl|♀|27|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Expert.png|Veteran|Brian|2080|3|418|Buizel|♂|26|None|203|Girafarig|♂|26|None|067|Machoke|♂|26|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP-Dragontamer.png|Dragon Tamer|Patrick Requires [[HM08]]|1248|1|443|Gible|♂|39|None}}
{{Trainerfooter|land}}

====In {{v2|Platinum}}====
{{trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Ninja_Boy.png|Ninja Boy|Fabian|248|2|453|Croagunk|♂|31|None|453|Croagunk|♂|31|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Ninja_Boy.png|Ninja Boy|Brennan|256|2|041|Zubat|♂|30|None|451|Skorupi|♂|32|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Ninja_Boy.png|Ninja Boy|Bruce|264|1|434|Stunky|♂|33|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Ninja_Boy.png|Ninja Boy|Joel|232|4|041|Zubat|♂|29|None|451|Skorupi|♂|29|None|042|Golbat|♂|29|None|434|Stunky|♂|29|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Ninja_Boy.png|Ninja Boy|Davido|264|1|414|Mothim|♂|33|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Ninja_Boy.png|Ninja Boy|Nathan|248|2|434|Stunky|♂|31|None|042|Golbat|♂|31|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Cool_Trainer_F.png|Ace Trainer|Alyssa|1980|3|190|Aipom|♀|32|None|388|Grotle|♂|33|None|203|Girafarig|♀|32|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Cool_Couple.png|Double Team|Zac & Jen Double Battle|8640|2|130|Gyarados|♂|36|None|026|Raichu|♂|36|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Cool_Trainer_M.png|Ace Trainer|Ernest|2040|3|123|Scyther|♂|32|None|404|Luxio|♂|34|None|476|Probopass|♂|31|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Black_Belt.png|Black Belt|Adam|816|1|067|Machoke|♂|34|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Bird_Keeper.png|Birdkeeper|Brianna|1056|2|163|Hoothoot|♀|31|None|164|Noctowl|♀|33|38=Vs. Seeker}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Expert.png|Veteran|Brian|2560|3|114|Tangela|♂|32|None|077|Ponyta|♂|32|None|418|Buizel|♂|32|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP-Dragontamer.png|Dragon Tamer|Patrick Requires [[HM08]]|1088|1|443|Gible|♂|34|None}}
{{Trainerfooter|land}}

===Southern Section===
====In {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}====
{{trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|DPjogger.png|Jogger|Wyatt|672|1|077|Ponyta|♂|21|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DPRancher.png|Rancher|Marco|680|3|190|Aipom|♂|18|None|203|Girafarig|♂|17|None|054|Psyduck|♂|19|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DPBelle_Pa.png|Belle & Pa|Ava & Matt Double Battle|2352|2|434|Stunky|♂|21|None|431|Glameow|♀|21|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Twins.png|Twins|Teri & Tia Double Battle|1296|2|025|Pikachu|♀|21|None|035|Clefairy|♀|21|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Pokémon_Breeder_M.png|Pokémon Breeder|Kahlil|816|3|172|Pichu|♂|18|None|025|Pikachu|♂|19|None|440|Happiny|♀|17|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Pokémon_Breeder_F.png|Pokémon Breeder|Amber|864|3|173|Cleffa|♀|19|None|035|Clefairy|♀|17|None|440|Happiny|♀|18|None}}
{{Trainerfooter|land}}

====In {{v2|Platinum}}====
{{trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|DPjogger.png|Jogger|Wyatt|768|1|025|Pikachu|♂|24|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DPRancher.png|Rancher|Marco|960|1|077|Ponyta|♂|24|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DPBelle_Pa.png|Belle & Pa|Ava & Matt Double Battle|2688|2|077|Ponyta|♂|24|None|078|Rapidash|♂|24|None|}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Twins.png|Twins|Teri & Tia Double Battle|736|2|025|Pikachu|♀|23|None|035|Clefairy|♀|23|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Pokémon_Breeder_M.png|Pokémon Breeder|Kahlil|1104|2|239|Elekid|♂|23|None|440|Happiny|♀|23|None}}
{{Trainerdiv}}
{{Trainerentry|DP_Pokémon_Breeder_F.png|Pokémon Breeder|Amber|1104|2|240|Magby|♂|23|None|175|Togepi|♂|23|None}}
{{Trainerfooter|land}}

==Trivia==
* One of the Ninja Boys says that he heard about a ninja Gym Leader. This could be either [[Koga]] (at that time a former Gym Leader) or his daughter [[Janine]] (who succeeded to his position).

{{Sinnoh}}
{{Project Routes notice}}
[[Category:Sinnoh locations|Route 210]]
[[Category:Routes|Route 210]]
[[Category:Diamond and Pearl locations|Route 210]]
[[Category:Platinum locations]]

[[de:Route 210]]
[[fr:Route 210]]
[[ja:210ばんどうろ]]
[[pt:Route 210]]

2010-01-24T17:23:34Z

Sorou:

{{samename|traps in the Mystery Dungeon series|Dungeon tiles}}
A '''trap''' (Japanese: トラップ ''trap'') is an object that can be obtained and used only in [[the Underground]] of [[Sinnoh]]. All traps, except the [[Digger Drill]], are activated when stepped on and can be buried on the ground to slow down or to stop any trainer from returning another player's flag to their own [[secret base]].

The maximum number of traps allowed to be placed by a player is sixteen. If a player exceeds the sixteen, the oldest laid trap will disappear and become impossible to retrieve. Traps laid by a player usually come in two different colors: light orange, for easier and less expensive traps, and dark red, for difficult and more expensive traps. Message traps, however, come in different pastel colors to indicate which message the trap will send out. This helps the player as to not get caught in her/his own traps.
[[Image:Underground-merchant-locations.png|thumb|300px|Location of the merchants who sell and buy traps from players.]]
It should be noted that a laid trap does not differentiate between the player that set it from any other player, so care should be taken to avoid accidently stepping in it afterwards.

When buried on the ground by a different player or a computer, one can distinguish a trap from a sphere by looking at the color of the sparkling light. As the [[Nintendo DS]]'s touch screen is touched, nearby traps will give out a white sparkling light while [[sphere]]s give out a yellow one.

Players may help each other out of traps by speaking with the trapped. Strangely, this works even for the Alert Traps.

Some traps also come in furniture versions that can be placed in one's Secret Base. These traps are visible to everyone, but have the same effects as their Trap counterparts when stepped on.

==List of traps by function==
===Alert traps===
Alert traps send messages to everyone in the underground. The trap is otherwise harmless, and allows the player to regain control immediately. Alert Traps 1 and 2 send "hello" and "good-bye" messages respectively. Alert Trap 3 sends a message stating one is heading to the [[Union Room]], and Alert Trap 4 sends a message to come to one's location. Alert traps come in pastel colors when set by the player. Trap merchants will usually purchase Alert Traps for Pale Spheres.

*Alert Trap 1
*Alert Trap 2
*Alert Trap 3
*Alert Trap 4

===Bubble traps===
Bubble traps create many bubbles around the player. After they all have been popped with the touch screen, the player can move again. The Bubble Trap makes more bubbles than the Foam Trap.
*Foam Trap
*Bubble Trap
===Control-affecting traps===
The Confuse Trap causes the trapped player's character to ignore commands, and will walk randomly around until the trap wears off after 50 steps. The Reverse Trap reverses the player's controls for 20 steps.
*Confuse Trap
*Reverse Trap
===Digging traps===
While it is not technically a trap per se, the [[Digger Drill]] is classified as a trap under the game's standards. It is only classified as a trap because it cannot be placed into the [[bag]] like a treasure, or be placed into the [[secret base]] like [[goods]]. It allows players to create a Secret Base.
*Digger Drill

===Fire traps===
Fire traps create a fire on the screen, which must be blown out using the DS's microphone. The fire will go back to full size if the blowing stops before they are out. After it has been blown out, the player can move again. The Fire Trap produces a larger flame than the Ember Trap.
*Ember Trap
*Fire Trap
===Hole traps===
Hole traps create a hole beneath the player. The player is stuck in them until he or she moves him or herself around with the D-pad enough to get unstuck. Pit Traps take longer to get unstuck from than Hole Traps, and Crater Traps are the hardest to get out of.
*Hole Trap
*Pit Trap
*Crater Trap

===Movement traps===
Moving traps will move a player stepping on them in the indicated direction and they will be unable to stop themselves unless they hit into an obstacle or go too far. Stepping on a Hurl Trap will cause a player to move about twice the distance as a normal Move Trap.
*Move Trap ↑
*Move Trap ↓
*Move Trap ←
*Move Trap →
*Hurl Trap ↑
*Hurl Trap ↓
*Hurl Trap ←
*Hurl Trap →
===Plant traps===
Plant traps create a flurry of leaves or flower petals, depending on which Trap is stepped on. Similar to the fire traps, after blowing away the plant with the microphone, the player can move again.
*Leaf Trap
*Flower Trap
===Rock traps===
Rock traps drop a rock on the player. After the rock has been smashed away using the touch screen, the player can move again. The Rock Trap's rock takes less hits to smash.
*Rock Trap
*Rockfall Trap
===Smoke traps===
Smoke traps cause smoke to cover the touch screen. The player must rub the smoke off the screen in order to regain control. Big Smoke traps produce more smoke than Smoke traps.
*Smoke Trap
*Big Smoke Trap

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