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Talk:AmourShipping

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Put a notice that is a incomplete page. There are more sections missed.

I made this page because AmourShipping is so important now to not have a page yet. {{unsigned|Nymphia}}

==About Serena cheering for Ash==
The fact that Serena cheered for Ash is an Amoushipping hint, but it is not an opportunity to diminish other ships. Misty, Dawn, and Iris all went to great lengths to cheer for Ash as well during battles. I have seen people on Tumblr discussing the content of this page and they seemed upset that false information was published. Please keep to only Amourshipping hints without mentioning other ships. Otherwise, OTP biases find their way on ;) [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] ([[User talk:Mooites|talk]]) 05:02, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== XY009 ==

Should it be added that in xy009, serena was mad at clemont even though it wasn't her that got kicked out of his gym or something? [[User:Taeuknam|Taeuknam]] ([[User talk:Taeuknam|talk]]) 04:58, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

== XY008 & XY010 ==

The scene at the end of the episode where Serena says to herself how nice it would be to have something you like, it is not a hint. I don't understand why some people keep including it? She was clearly talking about her goal and not Ash because it was after she noticed how Jessica was so passionate about grooming. She did not imply Ash because she obviously would have started blushing if he overheard her. It has already been dissected by fluent Japanese speaking people on the pokemon forums and they all said it was in relation to the goal so I am still confused as to why some people are so adamant about that hint.

Also when Ash unties Serena in XY010, how is that a hint? He was clearly not going to just leave her tied up. And if you want to argue that he "forgot" to untie sycamore, the same could be said about Clemont who was untying his ''own sister''. I understand you guys are excited about this shipping and all, but try to keep the hints realistic please. We want actual hints on this page, not something like "untying" someone else -.- {{unsigned|Midnight Moon}}

== Picture? ==

Shouldn't there be a picture somewhere on the page? Someone should put on up; I would but I cannot lol :p
[[User:Midnight Moon|Midnight Moon]] ([[User talk:Midnight Moon|talk]]) 03:17, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
:All things considered, I think the soon-to-be-released poster would make the best image for the article. If something is edited in before then, it should be Ash leading Serena out of the forest (from [[XY007]]). --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] ([[User talk:Purimpopoie|talk]]) 11:27, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

== XY20 ==

I think there is a hint in the beginning of XY20. Serena is blushing while looking at Ash and saying something. Although, I'm not sure it's a hint. We're going to need the episode to be subbed to find out. [[User:Slick532|Slick532]] ([[User talk:Slick532|talk]]) 14:53, 22 March 2014 (UTC)Slick532
: She was probably just describing the Battle Chateau to him. '''[[User:ZappaOMati|Zappa]][[Special:Contributions/ZappaOMati|O]][[User talk:ZappaOMati|Mati]]''' 15:22, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

== XY21 ==
Seriously? Ash was staring at Serena, out of ATTRACTION?? Nope! If it was, then how can you explain the omg that's amazing reactions from Clemont and Bonnie?
: It's because it's a blank stare rather than a "that's amazing" reaction that Clemont and Bonnie have. [[User:Shadow Yoshi|Shadow Yoshi]] ([[User talk:Shadow Yoshi|talk]]) 14:08, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

==The Mirror Episode==
Its possible that someone will refute my removal of the Mirror Episode hint. After watching the episode myself, I believe that the incident where Ash grabs Serena's hand is not an indication that he has romantic feelings for her. Of the three hands reached out to him, he was closest to Serena's and Bonnie's. Clemont was on the far side. Bonnie's arm is shorter than Serena's, so Serena's hand was the closest one.
Furthermore, Ash has proven on many occasions that he deeply trusts all of his traveling companions. We cannot claim that the reason he grabbed Serena's hand is because he trusts her more than Bonnie and Clemont, there is not sufficient evidence. Clemont has saved Ash's life before, remember? Surely Ash would trust him as well. [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] ([[User talk:Mooites|talk]]) 01:12, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
: I agree mostly; the only thing I can think of to refute this is that Clemont could've used his robotic arm to save Ash, and that the writers maybe didn't have him do that simply to emphasize him grabbing Serena's hand. Probably not the case, though. Also, kudos for being realistic and not taking every little thing as a hint! We need more shippers like that. [[User:Shadow Yoshi|Shadow Yoshi]] ([[User talk:Shadow Yoshi|talk]]) 02:57, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I would have to respectfully disagree I think it was a AmourShipping moment not only does Ash reach out for Serena's hand but he also Jumps for Serena.In that scene Clemont and Bonnie completely disappear until Serena grabs him then Clemont and Bonnie return to help pull Ash up but for a few seconds it was just about the two of them.I think its pretty clear that the animators were going for a Shipping moment but its your call.
: I looked at some other shipping pages (Pearlshipping and Imageshipping) and noticed that "saving the other person from falling to their death" has been used as a hint on those pages too. We should probably do our best to keep it consistent, so lets add the Mirror Episode moment back under hints. I'll phrase it differently though to make it clear that this is an example of Ash trusting Serena, not an example of Ash chosing Serena over Bonnie and Clemont. Is that ok? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] ([[User talk:Mooites|talk]]) 17:08, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

==Please stop==
I have noticed continuously that people keep adding things that are not really "hints". These things keep getting added although they are not AmourShipping hints at all, and I am a huge AmourShipping so it's not like I am saying this because I don't like the ship or anything. Please stop as it is getting really annoying. Examples:
:*As Ash follows Bonnie down to an {{p|Ursaring}}, Serena says "What are you doing?", applying that she thought Ash was walking into danger.
-> Asking a question (and in the dub no less) means ''nothing.'' There is a difference between general concern and a "shippy" reaction of concern. Learn the difference.
:*After Hawlucha lands a Flying Press on Ash, Serena has a shocked expression on her face and runs to him in concern (although this was the group's general reaction).
-> The fact that it is the group's general reaction does NOT make this an AmourShipping hint.

Also, can people also stop re-editing things and changing the hints every time the dub episode comes out? It is better to have hints of the original Japanese rather than dub edits. Thanks

[[User:Midnight Moon|Midnight Moon]] ([[User talk:Midnight Moon|talk]])

: Except this is an English wiki that revolves primarily around the English/USA versions of Pokémon media. We don't title character pages with their Japanese names and then include the English names in parentheses; we do the opposite. Also, the "Japanese episodes reveal more hints sometimes" argument is null because the dub won't (and can't) mess with a relationship if it were actually going to happen. I get that occasionally the random meaningless hints are different in the dub, but it's not like the dub will change anything meaningful. [[User:Shadow Yoshi|Shadow Yoshi]] ([[User talk:Shadow Yoshi|talk]]) 05:00, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

== Most exclusively? ==

''"Among all of Ash's female companions, Serena has been the one who is featured the most exclusively with Ash."''

The above statement was thrown into the trivia, but I think it should be either removed or made more specific. Depending on how it is looked at, this statement can be disagreeable. There are many ways to be featured, but Serena is not shown the most exclusive with Ash in '''all''' of those ways. It doesn't have to be removed, though; it can be fixed. For example, it could be specified that Serena was the most featured ''in childhood'' exclusively with Ash. But unless it is not made to be true, I think the trivia should be removed.

:Removed that piece of trivia after a while. Worded really confusingly and not elaborated on. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 11:33, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

== Please, guys ==

Please use proper grammar and only include valid hints. This page, I'd say, is one of the worst about this, and we all should pitch in to make that change. Use proper capitalization and punctuation. Follow Bulbapedia's formatting guidelines. It's "Pokémon," not "pokemon."

As for hints, Bulbapedia doesn't like us relying on fansubs, so if you don't understand Japanese ask someone who does or wait for the dub. Also, don't add hints that aren't actually hints. This was discussed a couple sections up, so please read that. If you're unsure about a hint, you might want to bring it up on here.

Thanks. [[User:Ax3w|Ax3w]] ([[User talk:Ax3w|talk]]) 22:10, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

== Gift ==

While I agree it is a hint, the way it says "It's the first time he's given one of his female friends a gift" sounds wrong, as he gifted Iris a flower back in Best Wishes. Even if it's a different context, it's still a gift. So maybe more along the lines as he gifted her it without expecting anything in return or something like that, as it's not the first time he's given a female friend a gift of any sort, as it kinda feels like OTP Bias is creeping in. Thanks [[User:Waterninja12345|Waterninja12345]] ([[User talk:Waterninja12345|talk]]) 00:46, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

== Incomplete sections ==

Why are there incomplete headings over the alternate names and trivia sections? If there aren't any other alternate names, then there aren't, and same for the trivia if nobody can think of anything else for the time being. Those headings being there makes no sense to me - I don't feel like those sections "need more information" if there isn't more information to give. [[User:Aggron989|''AGG'']][[User talk:Aggron989|''RON'']][[Special:Contributions/Aggron989|''989'']] 18:39, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk:James Carter Cathcart

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== Article name change ==

I've been out of the Pokémon loop for quite some time, but it appears that Jimmy Zoppi/Billy Beach is now being credited under his real name, Carter Cathcart. Since it's common practice for us to have VAs listed under their real names if they've been credited under it in Pokémon (ie, [[Rodger Parsons]], [[Jason Griffith]]) should we rename the article to Carter Cathcart? It's apparent that he has no problem having his real name connected to the show (heck, there's a clip of him doing an interview on YouTube where he fully admits that he's been credited as Jimmy Zoppi and Billy Beach), and the fact that he's now being credited under his real name gives support to this. Thoughts? --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 03:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to his Facebook, his full name is "James Carter Cathcart," so "Jimmy" is still his name. :P But I don't see what's wrong with having the page use their real name. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:05, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
::But his real last name is Cathcart, so I think that should be changed. And Carter is his middle name. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 18:29, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

== Last name ==

His real last name is Catchcart, so shouldn't this be at [[James Carter Cathcart]]? I mean it's not like he hasn't been credited with that last name before. I think this should be moved. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 21:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, he has never been credited in the anime as '''Jimmy Zoppi''' --[[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 21:33, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:[http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a363/SonicAngel948/Bulbapedia/JimmyZoppi.png That's actually not true]. But I'm not against the move though. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
::I think we should only have the article use names he is credited as. Some actors prefer to keep their personal lives (including their birth name) separate from their professional lives. People will know who Jimmy Zoppi or Carter Cathcart are from the credits. I don't even know if we should have their full, birth names be mentioned on the page as a respect to their privacy. Just keep things on the professional side, with maybe a short, not too personal, bio. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:16, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, then should we rename Kayzie Rogers "Jamie Peacock"? And Jimmy himself uses his real name plenty of times, I don't think he has anything wrong with it. AND we have links that read "Carter Cathcart." We could always just rename it "Carter Catchcart." I support the move. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 04:48, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
::::In case you misunderstood, I'm not against moving it to Carter Cathcart. I was just against moving it to ''James'' Carter Cathcart. Kayzie Rogers is actually credited as Kayzie Rogers in BW with her work as Axew. So it is a credited name. That's all I'm saying, if it's used in the credits, we use it. {{unsigned|Jo The Marten}} 04:54, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
::::::Then does this mean we should move it to Carter Cathcart? It's what he currently is credited is. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 05:09, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Isn't this a bit of a slippery slope? It's not uncommon for VAs to be credited by a couple of different names. If we try to use the most recent one, we could very well end up moving articles routinely. I think we should use whichever name is used most ''often'' as opposed to most ''recently''. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal Talian]] 05:14, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
::::::::He's mostly either been credited as James Carter Cathcart or Carter Cathcart. I don't see anything wrong with a move. And it doesn't seem like many would actually oppose it. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 05:34, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, we're not really getting anywhere with this. Again, should we move this to Carter Cathcart or not? [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 23:38, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Hey guys, we need some more opinions. We haven't gone that much since December 31st. Now I'm not trying to be impatient, but you shouldn't just leave a talk section like that. I think we might need to start a consensus. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 00:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::I say yes, make the move - it's his real name, and he hasn't gone by Jimmy Zoppi since in almost 6 years. But I think it makes more sense to move it to James Carter Cathcart while leaving the credits on the articles for James, Meowth etc. "Carter Cathcart", because while he currently goes by Carter Cathcart as a VA, as scriptwriter his name has appeared ''with'' the James since season 9. -[[User:Thingamajig257|Thingamajig]]'''[[User talk:Thingamajig257|257]]'''- 11:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::OK, let's do it! [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 23:44, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
I thought we needed mod/admin approval before moving? [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 03:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:Hang on now. My intention was not to have everything moved back, I was only asking a question. I may be totally wrong. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 04:07, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

He's been very contradictory and using false information to back him up. No administrator actually said yes--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 04:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

I am NOT using false info! Also I asked for a consensus, but no one bothered to do so. And chances are, the admins (no offense) would probably want to wait, I dunno, a few weeks? And PLEASE unprotect the article. It's not fair permanetly protect something. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 22:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

It's impossible to protect an article "permanetly", as such a word does not exist. The reason you didn't get a response is because everyone is sick of you and the way you think you can do whatever you want. No administrator said yes, and you defied them by moving the page. You claim you're using facts, but have yet to provide evidence. Please leave this alone--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 22:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

:OK, A: I do have evidence about the name, most were not against it. Even the admins who were posting to this section didn't. And B: I am not intending to be the king of this. Also, Snorlax Monster did NOT provide an exp. date when he protected it, so it would seem like it was permanent. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 22:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:If you really had evidence that it should be moved from Jimmy Zoppi, you would provide it. Claiming you have it and actually having it are two different things. And actually, you tried removing ALL REFERENCES[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Zoppi&diff=cur&oldid=1583633] to the Jimmy Zoppi name, which exposes your agenda to have everything your way. That's vandalism. And the name you chose to move it to was the one name where there was a flat-out no from Jo, so not only did you not have approval, you had complete disapproval. So there will be no vote, no move. It's staying at Zoppi.--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 22:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
::@SandmanDP If you wanna see a proof, [http://www.myspace.com/98405018 see this]. -- ✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poké''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 22:46, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Which name is Tom Cruise known by? Is he Thomas Mapother? Or Tom Cruise? The administrators already decided, and you refuse to respect that. The page is not moving. People on Facebook use alternate display names all the time. MySpace should be treated no different in that regard

Might I also add that he's been Jimmy Zoppi more than any other name? He's only been Cathcart since this season. He was Zoppi for at least 7. He was Billy Beach inbetween. Zoppi wins by majority usage--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 22:49, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
:There seems to be a little confusion about exactly how and why I protected this page. I protected it only from moving; you are still free to edit it. Also, I protected it because the page was moved when people had not come to an agreement on the talk page yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:53, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
::Does that mean that it is okay to put this to a vote? I thought it seemed like a good idea. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 07:55, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I greatly prefer decisions made by discussion rather than vote, but if everybody is so set in their opinion that we can't decide any other way, I guess a vote is acceptable. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:27, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I am willing to change my vote to Carter Cathcart as long as the lines about the Cathcart pseudonym (in the Zoppi version) are exchanged for lines about the Zoppi name ie "For the 4Kids-dubbed episodes of the anime, Cathcart used the name Jimmy Zoppi (bolded), his most well-known pseudonym". I think what irked me (second-)most about Satoshi101's edits was that he removed all references to the Zoppi name--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 02:30, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

==== Consensus Time ====
Here's a poll I created for this desicion. Feel free to vote your opinion, and then once this poll is closed, we'll see.<nowiki>*</nowiki> Whichever name gets the most votes (including my own vote) pretty much wins, once we've gotten clearance by an admin. Also, please post your comments above this heading if you have any more. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 17:09, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

'''Jimmy Zoppi''' (0) - SandmanDP{{tt|*|I am willing to change my vote to Carter Cathcart as long as the lines about the Cathcart pseudonym (in the Zoppi version) are exchanged for lines about the Zoppi name ie "For the 4Kids-dubbed episodes of the anime, Cathcart used the name Jimmy Zoppi (bolded), his most well-known pseudonym". I think what irked me (second-)most about Satoshi101's edits was that he removed all references to the Zoppi name}}

'''James Carter Cathcart''' (1) - Thingamajig257

'''Carter Cathcart''' (7) - Satoshi101, Jo The Marten, Poke.geek, SandmanDP, Adyniz, Pokemaster97, Dennou Zenshi

Also, please note that I have the right to keep tally and add votes from other users if they have said so in the main headline. However, I will ask them to confirm this on their talk pages. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 17:09, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

<nowiki>*</nowiki> This will be kept open until 19:00 (MST), January 20th.

:This poll is now closed, with the winner being Carter Cathcart. Once approval by an admin is received, the move will be made. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 02:22, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

::But for now, I'll move this talk page. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 05:23, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Two problems. One: Consensus polls should be closed by an admin. In this case, Kenji-Girl, as the Editorial Board member in charge of the relevant section, should at least have commented on the poll, even if she chooses not to vote. If she chooses not to vote, she should be the one that closes it. While I seriously doubt it will have an effect on the outcome, being the one that called the poll ''doesn't'' give you the right to close it. Two: The talk page of an article must '''''NEVER''''' be moved separately to the article with which it corrseponds. It is moved when the article is moved and not before. The sole exception is archiving, which should be done by an admin. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:44, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
::::OK, A: KG did comment on the move, and she had no preference. B:I could not move the corresponding page because the move tab was '''protected.''' And C:I have the right to decide how long a poll is kept open, and after that time, the poll is automatically closed (anyone could infer that!) The only reason I said "poll closed" is a reminder that the deadline has come. I am aware the "Elite Fours" (staff) have to have some place in it, but they clearly have; a couple both voted and commented on the section above this. I have clearly stated that this section is solely for the poll. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 16:55, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Don't you think the page was protected for a reason? It was protected so some regular user can't just go moving a page under discussion whenever they wanted to. When the time is right it will be moved by the staff. Stop taking it upon youself to decide everything. It comes off as a little bossy. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 21:32, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::Maybe we should wait for more than seven people to vote? And like Werd said, the closing of the poll should be left up to an admin. I say the poll should be closed a week from 0:00 January 29, UTC. Pretty much a week from today. Hopefully more people can have their say by then. Sound fair? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:24, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::OK, sounds fair. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 04:59, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::We have his MySpace and Facebook pages, why doesn't someone ask him which he would prefer? Also, since it seems we are currently going with "Carter Cathcart", we should follow the [[MOS#Opening line|MoS]] and put his full name on the first line (so "'''James Carter Cathcart''', often credited as simply '''Carter Cathcart''', is a voice actor for the English-language dub of the [[Pokémon anime]]."). Personally, I would also list his other pseudonyms (Jimmy Zoppi and Billy Beach) in the opening line too, but that is not standard. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:39, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::We could ask him personally, but then there wouldn't be any point in a vote. I might just do that if I could, but I am not on Myspace or Facebook. But we should not forget the need to be consistent per Bulbapedia standards. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 23:50, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah, the point of asking him personally was to override the need for the poll. We shouldn't dismiss asking him because we already made a decision via poll. As for listing other pseudonyms in the opening paragraph, while it is not currently standard, my suggestion is more "make it standard".--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:33, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think we should ask him, as well. It's much more professional than a poll. I like the idea of including pseudonyms into the opening paragraph, and making that the standard. Many, many voice actors have pseudonyms. It makes more sense to include them right at the start. After all, if we just set up redirects and information isn't immediately visible, it could cause some confusion. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 09:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::Well, I just listened to an interview wondering the same thing about what name he would like to be called by. He doesn't seem to have any preference, as far as I'm concerned. However, he does use '''James Carter Cathcart''' on both his MySpace and Facebooks, and his stage name usually seems to be '''Carter Cathcart''' or his {{tt|MySpace/Facebook name|James Carter Cathcart}}. [[User:Satoshi101|サトシ]] 00:19, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It's been about a week, and we still don't know what to do. It seems like most people are in favor of '''Carter Cathcart''', but we still remain confused and unsure. I think that since James/Carter doesn't seem to care, we should maybe see about that poll again. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to reach me on [[User talk:Satoshi101|my talk page]]. {{unsigned|Satoshi101}}

== Full Name ==

Going to bring this up again - I think the article name should be changed to '''James Carter Cathcart'''. While he is often credited as just "Carter Cathcart", [https://www.facebook.com/james.c.cathcart?fref=ts his full name includes "James"] and the article title should reflect that because it's what is done with all of the other VA's (if I'm not mistaken). [[User:Shadow Yoshi|Shadow Yoshi]] ([[User talk:Shadow Yoshi|talk]]) 03:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk:AmourShipping

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AmourShipping

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{{ship}}
'''AmourShipping''' (Japanese: '''サトセレ''' ''SatoSere'') is the belief that {{an|Serena}} and {{Ash}} belong in a [[shipping|romantic relationship]]. The name is derived from the French word "''amour''", meaning "love". It was chosen as the name because the [[Kalos]] region is inspired by {{wp|France}} (known for its romantic atmosphere) and Serena has a [[Canon|canonical]] crush on Ash.

This [[Shipping|ship]] is one of the most popular in the anime, much like other ships involving Ash and one of his female [[Ash's friends|friends]], such as {{s|Poké}}, {{s|Advance}}, and {{s|Pearl}}. However, AmourShipping is unique compared to these and most other shippings because of the confirmation of Serena's crush on Ash, rather than fans presuming based on hints and inconclusive evidence. Its popularity began before the premiere of the {{series|XY}} due to the revelation that Serena knew Ash in their childhood. Thus far, it has been a central detail in the beginning stages of Serena's {{wp|character arc}}.

==Anime evidence==
===Serena's hints===
*''[[Lumiose City Pursuit]]''
:*When Serena sees a live news report of Ash trying to calm a rampaging {{p|Garchomp}} on [[Prism Tower]], she silently looks on, seemingly in awe at Ash's bravery. When Ash jumps off the tower to rescue {{AP|Pikachu}}, she gasps in fear for his safety. However, this may have been merely general concern, since the news camera never showed Ash's face in full until he was safely on the ground.
:*Upon seeing Ash's face on TV, she ponders whether she recognizes him, having a flashback scene of a younger Ash at the end of the episode.

*''[[XY003|A Battle of Aerial Mobility!]]''
:*Serena decides to begin her journey after seeing Ash on TV. Upon arriving at [[Professor Sycamore]]'s laboratory, and before choosing her [[starter Pokémon]], Serena tells the professor that she is looking for the boy who was on the news. Her eyes seem to light up considerably when Sycamore identifies him as Ash.

*''[[XY005|A Blustery Santalune Gym Battle!]]''
:*When Serena is walking down the steps in [[Santalune City]], she thinks about how she cannot wait to see the look on Ash's face when he sees her. Then, she has a flashback of a young Ash extending his arm, as if he was offering her his hand. When the flashback ends, she is seen blushing slightly.
:*When she sees Ash battling [[Viola]], she is so overcome with excitement that she runs toward the battlefield, seemingly planning on going ''directly'' on there to greet Ash without noticing that the battle is still in progress.
:*Later, when Ash loses the battle, Serena is obviously remorseful and attempts to speak to him, but is further saddened when he runs past her without noticing her, since he is concentrating on his injured Pokemon.
:*When Serena returns Ash's backpack to him (which Ash had left behind at the Gym), she starts to ask Ash something while blushing a little, only to be interrupted by the [[Pokémon Center]] bell.
:*When Ash is on the ground from the intense {{pkmn|training}}, dirty after falling to the ground while catching Pikachu and {{AP|Fletchling}}, Serena walks up to him and hands him a handkerchief to clean himself up with, showing her thoughtfulness towards him.
:*Serena looks evidently nervous before she asks him if he remembers her. It is interesting to note that when she is seen interacting with [[Grace (Kalos)|her mother]], Serena has a sassy and rebellious attitude towards her, but whenever she is around Ash, she seems to be extremely hesitant and nervous, contradicting the personality that viewers have seen from her in prior episodes.

*''[[XY006|Battling on Thin Ice!]]''
:*After she asks Ash if he remembers her, Serena mentions that they met in {{an|Professor Oak}}'s Pokémon Summer Camp in [[Pallet Town]]. When Ash remembers attending the camp, she is overjoyed and tells him that she went there as well. However, when he says that he does not remember her specifically, she is visibly disappointed, but instantly cheers up, obviously not wanting to be upset or angry with him.
:*When the group is having dinner after the training session, Serena glances at Ash and smiles at him while he is eating. Since this is directly after him saying that he is sure to win the rematch, this strongly implies that she is admiring his determination and is impressed by it.
:*Throughout the entire Gym battle, her cheering for Ash seems to be in a more enthusiastic way than {{an|Clemont}} and {{an|Bonnie}}. She also keeps reassuring Clemont, Bonnie, and Alexa that everything is going to be okay and that Ash would win, showing that she strongly believes in him. Later, when Ash becomes overwhelmed by Viola's new battling strategies, Serena cries out to Ash that he should not give up (echoing a motto Ash had told her in their childhood). In that scene, the emotions are seemingly emphasized. Her encouragement snaps him out of his panic and helps him win the battle.

*''[[XY007|Giving Chase at the Rhyhorn Race!]]''
:*After Ash asks Serena to join them in their travels, she puts a hand over her heart and smiles before winking at him and accepting the invitation.
:*When Clemont asks Serena why she started her journey, she pulls out the same handkerchief Ash used to bandage her, and shows it to Ash in a second attempt to get him to remember their past. This shows that Serena has kept the same handkerchief Ash used to tie up her knee with after all these years.
:*In a flashback of when Ash and Serena first met as children, Ash bandages Serena's knee and then pulls her up from the ground. She ends up falling into his arms in some sort of hug, and the camera zooms on her surprised face. Then, she quickly pulls away and looks at him, a surprised expression on her face. When Ash is showing her the way out of the forest, she is wide-eyed and blushing. This flashback indicates that Serena developed feelings for Ash after that incident.
:*When Ash identifies Serena as the same girl he helped when he was younger, she blushes.
:*Ash asks Serena why she went through all the trouble of returning the handkerchief to him and she replies with "I felt nostalgic and wanted to see you". Serena then pouts with blush marks on her face when she says that Ash didn't remember her. This shows that she was slightly hurt that Ash did not remember her upon first glance like she did to him.
:*Serena puts on a pink outfit for {{p|Rhyhorn}} racing and then asks Ash what he thinks of it with a blush on her face.
:*When Serena is on top of the Rhyhorn and demonstrating for Ash how to ride one, she is blushing.
:*When it is nighttime and everyone is sleeping, there is a view of the whole room with Serena's bed shown to be empty. It is then revealed that Serena is in the kitchen baking. At the end of the episode, she hands to Ash a pouch filled with cookies. She blushes and tells him that it is because she is thankful towards him. Then, she has a flashback of her and Ash when they were younger holding hands. After the flashback ends, she winks at him.

*''[[XY013|Kindergarten Chaos!]]''
:*When a teacher named {{an|Penelope}} challenges Ash to a battle and states that if she wins, he would have to come with her, while she also called him "sweetie". Serena freaks out and begins to blush. Later on, when Penelope takes the group to the kindergarten she works at and Serena realizes she misunderstood her, she puts a hand over her heart in relief.
:*When Ash is pushed out of the truck by {{TRT}}, Serena quickly runs towards him while shouting his name.

*''[[XY020|Breaking Titles at the Chateau!]]''
:*Serena and Bonnie are both excited to introduce the idea of the [[Battle Chateau]] to Ash. While Bonnie blushes over the possibility of cake, Serena is blushing because she is sure that he would like it. After they arrive there, Serena asks if this is something Ash's interested in, which he answers in the affirmative.

*''[[XY021|A PokéVision of Things to Come!]]''
:*Serena is visibly worried when Ash mentions that the video of [[Elle]] looks cute before he clarifies that he's talking about Elle's Fennekin. Once the clarification is made, Serena's expression softens.
:*At the end of the episode, Serena specifically asks Ash what he thought of her video with a blush on her face.

*''[[XY025|Climbing the Walls!]]''
:*When Ash is rock climbing in [[Cyllage Gym]], the camera closes up on a worried Serena.
:*Even before the battle between Ash and [[Grant]] starts, Serena is very worried. She clasps her hands together which catches the notice of Bonnie and Clemont. She then begins to blush and, at one point, tears up when thinking about how hard Ash has trained.

*''[[XY026]]''
:*[[Millefeui]] asks Ash teasingly what kind of girl he wants for a bride to see how Serena would react. Serena is shown to be paying close attention from the corner of her eye with a frown, and then looks away and pretends indifference.
:*At the end of the episode after Ash calls Serena's name, Millefeui teases Serena about him and says that if Serena doesn't do anything about her feelings for Ash, she'll take him for herself. Serena blushes bright red, but walks away smiling. It is interesting to note that Serena is the only girl to not deny her feelings for Ash when teased about it.

*''[[XY029]]''
:*When Ash tries to go down the transporter after Pikachu, {{an|Serena}} grabs him and tells him it's too late. It is interesting to note that only Serena makes an effort to stop Ash.

*''[[XY030]]''
:*When Ash is battling [[Korrina]], only Serena is cheering him on, while Clemont and Bonnie are complimenting how strong Lucario is.

*''[[XY031]]''
:* While everyone's picture is being taken, Serena slides closer to Ash leaving an obvious gap separating them from the others. In addition, unlike everybody else, Serena isn't looking into the camera but is looking at Ash when the picture is being taken.
:* After the group photo, Serena stands there admiring her picture with Ash until he calls her to hurry and she turns around with a blush.

===Ash's hints===
*''[[XY007|Giving Chase at the Rhyhorn Race!]]''
:*In the beginning of the episode after Serena says she doesn't know what she is going to do, Ash asks her to travel with them, saying that it was because of her that he won the [[Bug Badge]] and that it would be nice if she stayed with them. This is the first time that Ash has asked a female [[Ash's friends|companion]] to travel with him. It can also be noted that when Ash asked Serena to travel with him, he appears to be nervous which is shown in his voice and when he scratches his cheek; cheek scratching is a classic anime symbolism for nervousness.
:*In a flashback of when Ash and Serena first met as children, Serena hurts her knee. Ash arrives, takes out a handkerchief upon seeing her injury, and bandages it up for her. Then, he holds out his hand and when she hesitates to take it, he grabs her hand and pulls her up, quickly taking her by surprise and making her fall into his arms in a hug. It is noted that during the hug, it is Serena who pulls away and not him. Afterwards, he holds her hand and helps her find her way back to the camp.


*''[[XY010|Mega-Mega Meowth Madness!]]''
:*It can be noted that Ash checked on Serena first and asked if she was okay instead of checking on Bonnie or [[Professor Sycamore]].

*''[[XY021|A PokéVision of Things to Come!]]''
:*When Serena is in her Fennekin outfit, Ash is seen to be blankly staring at her, possibly out of attraction. His is the only face out of everyone present (an audience including Bonnie, Clemont, Dedenne, Froakie, and Pikachu) that has a different expression than the others. It is worth noting that the camera focuses on just Ash's face at first, showing everyone else a few seconds later.

*''[[XY026]]''
:*Ash tries some of Serena's Poké Puffs and ends up loving them so much that he clasps his face in joy; at the same time, there are sparkling roses in the background and red marks on his face. This shows how much Ash loves Serena's baking.

===Other hints===
[[File:Entertainment Kiss.png|thumb|The Valentine's Day poster with Ash and Serena.]]
*On the second promotional poster for the series, Serena is depicted blushing while looking at Ash.
*''[[XY006|Battling on Thin Ice!]]''
:*After Serena asks Ash if he remembers her, Ash's Pikachu and Fletchling run to Clemont and Bonnie in response, implying that the two Pokémon sensed that this was a sensitive moment between Ash and Serena and that they should be left alone.
:*As Serena and Ash talk, [[Alexa]] is seen smiling at the two of them, suggesting that she enjoys seeing the two of them together and even senses a spark between them. However, she could have also smiled as a response to Serena restoring Ash's motivation to train, by quoting a sentence he once said in his childhood, about "never giving up".
:*Before the start of the rematch between Ash and Viola, Alexa tells Serena when she heard Ash and her talking, he needed some inspiration, but she didn't think it'd be from her. This sentence implies that Ash wouldn't have been as inspired and determined to win the battle if Serena hadn't appeared.
*On the first official character connection table, an arrow is shown from Serena to Ash with the phrase "{{tt|スキ…？|Likes...?}}".
**In the March 2014 issue of ''Onnanoko to Tame no Kuchikomi & Tōkō Magazine'', there is a summary of Serena where among her character description it says that she has special feelings towards Ash. There is also another character connection table with an arrow from Serena to Ash that says "very interested in".
***The aforementioned magazine also includes a poster with Ash and Serena (Clemont and Bonnie are clearly missing) surrounded by Pokémon and hearts. Serena is holding a heart while looking up at Ash.
*In the upcoming [[Pokémon movie]], ''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]'', the trailer shows that at some point in the movie, Ash and Serena get separated from Clemont and Bonnie. This has piqued the interest of AmourShippers on the subject of what might happen in the movie.

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