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&lt;div&gt;&amp;gt;In the TCG, shiny Pokémon are called &amp;quot;shining&amp;quot; Pokémon. &lt;br /&gt;
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Yes and no. There&#039;s &amp;quot;shining&amp;quot; cards, &amp;quot;crystal&amp;quot; cards, and the new ones that don&#039;t have a collecive name but are denoted by a star on them (so are commonly called &amp;quot;stars&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;shining stars&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;gt;If you evolve a shiny pokemon, will it stay shiny? [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 19:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, although sometimes the coloration of it will change. Shiny Charmeleon changes from off-red to a black Charizard, for instance. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It&#039;s the same as a red Charmeleon becoming an orange Charizard. Regular becomes regular, shiny becomes shiny. It&#039;s another status like the nature. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 00:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m sorry but the {{p|Kecleon}} seen in [[EP205]] is not a shiny pokémon.  To my knowledge an alternate colored Kecleon is turquoise not purple. -- [[Kenji-girl]]&lt;br /&gt;
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: If it&#039;s not a normally-coloured Pokémon it must, logically, be an alternately-coloured Pokémon. It doesn&#039;t matter if it doesn&#039;t match the precise alternate colouration of the games. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]]&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 10:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Technically, yes; &amp;quot;alternately colored&amp;quot; means, technically, it&#039;s simply a different color. &amp;quot;Shiny&amp;quot; is a different story, however. [[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Those purple Kecleon are like that because... they&#039;re Kecleon, simple as it sounds.  Not sure how to word it in the article, but it&#039;s not surprising that a chameleon Pokémon can have color variations, either because the interpretation of its traits is to blend with its surroundings (field Kecleon, pinball, anime) or changing its type via {{a|Color Change}}.  This is too similar to discussing [[Smeargle (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries|the Crystal Pokédex entry for Smeargle]] --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Breeding chance in Gen IV==&lt;br /&gt;
Though I haven&#039;t found any definite sources, apparently the odds of breeding a shiny pokemon to have a shiny offspring is 1/8192, as much as finding a regular shiny. Is this true? If so, this renders Shiny dittos practically useless. [[User:Razor|Razor]] 07:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: As useless as shiny Pokemon are regularly, but yes. It&#039;s the same odds as it would be with a regular Pokemon. --[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 09:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Though really, a shiny Pokémon is no more useless than a regular one, since it&#039;s no longer determined on stats. --&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 17:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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the chances are exactly the same - its only in GSC that its a 1/64 of a shiny parents egg being shiny [[user: adambesthythe]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shiny Pokemon ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Would it be worth it if we put in a Section or even a whole new page that showed a normal Pokemon&#039;s sprite along with it&#039;s Shiny sprite image? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 17:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I think it is a good idea because it would be interesting to see.[[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 10:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Include 4th Gen formulas? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think this article should include the formulas for determining whether or not a pokemon is shiny from its MAP and OT IDs.  Any objections?  Also, the probability of obtaining a shiny in Gens 3/4 should be corrected to the correct value, 1/8192, not 2/65025.  Where did that number come from, anyway?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think the second number is the chance that a Pokémon will contract Pokérus. :/ Good idea, by the way. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 19:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I think I&#039;ve found the source of this ridiculous number, after a little bit of futzing.  256^2 is 65536, and the chance of encountering a shiny is 8/65536.  However, 255^2 is 65025, and so it&#039;s possible that someone hit a wrong button on their calculator when trying to calculate chances.  Unfortunately, I doubt that figuring any of this out is going to change the fact that a whole bunch of people are now misreporting the odds as 2/65025 simply by virtue of it previously being on Bulbapedia.  Hopefully it&#039;ll die out soon.-- [[User:Reuvens|Reuvens]] 01:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shiny Egg? ==&lt;br /&gt;
If a shiny pokemon has an [[Pokémon egg|egg]], will the pokemon that hatches from the egg be shiny? [[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:In Generation II, there was a sort of &amp;quot;gene&amp;quot; system where a shiny&#039;s offspring would more likely be shiny. However, Generation III got rid of that system. You have the same chances of finding a wild shiny as hatching a shiny, whether the parent was shiny or not.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;•&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==It was the legendary Red Snorlax==&lt;br /&gt;
Look, I know Shiny Snorlax are blue, but the Snorlax in [[H012|&#039;&#039;Training Daze]]&#039;&#039; was the legendary Red Snorlax. It wasn&#039;t a real Snorlax, because it turns out in the end that the Snorlax was [[Viper]], the Drill Sergeant of the [[Team Rocket Academy]] in disguise.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mystery Dungeon Shinies ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rumor has it that you can get shinies in Mystery Dungeon 2... specifically, a shiny Celebi mission or something. Anybody have Time Version to back this up? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#E75480;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Tina&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#E75480;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;The&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#E75480;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Kirlia&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 21:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*You can&#039;t get shinies in PMD2, however, you do come across a Shiny Celebi in the future world in the main plot of the game. Otherwise, no, you can&#039;t get them. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 15:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fossils==&lt;br /&gt;
Can the revived fossils in Gen IV be shiny if you try enough? Or is it preset when you first give the guy the fossil? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #221202&amp;quot;&amp;gt;S&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #550E01&amp;quot;&amp;gt;h&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #880901&amp;quot;&amp;gt;i&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #CC0500&amp;quot;&amp;gt;n&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;y&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #221202&amp;quot;&amp;gt;?&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;!&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:If by &amp;quot;try enough&amp;quot; you mean &amp;quot;give him enough fossils&amp;quot;. I think it&#039;s preset when you give him the fossil, so just save before doing so, give him the fossil, run out, back in, see if it&#039;s shiny, soft reset, repeat. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;TTE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 22:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shiny ditto ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If you have a ditto that is shiny and it uses transform does the pokéemon it transforms into be shiny?--[[Image:Ani052MS.gif]][[Image:Ani300MS.gif]][[Image:Ani431MS.gif]][[User:kittenchild|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #4080FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;kitten&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #204080&amp;quot;&amp;gt;child&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt; and her &amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #998969&amp;quot;&amp;gt;d&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #804020&amp;quot;&amp;gt;i&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #998969&amp;quot;&amp;gt;s&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #804020&amp;quot;&amp;gt;c&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #998969&amp;quot;&amp;gt;o&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #804020&amp;quot;&amp;gt;v&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #998969&amp;quot;&amp;gt;e&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #804020&amp;quot;&amp;gt;r&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #998969&amp;quot;&amp;gt;y&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Image:Ani264MS.gif]] 01:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes. However, if the Pokémon you trasform into is shiny, and Ditto/Mew is not, it&#039;ll be regular. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#E75480;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF69B4;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;i&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#F6ADC6;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;n&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FFC0CB;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;a&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FFC0CB;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;☆&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#F6ADC6;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♥&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF69B4;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;♫&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;plainlinks&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF7BBD;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;δ&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;{{ani|282}}&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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will it bread shinny Pokemon? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]&lt;br /&gt;
:No. That&#039;s only in {{gen|II}}, unfortunatly. I kept breeding my Vaporeon with a shiny Wooper, in hopes that I&#039;d get a shiny Eevee, but 150 eggs later I gave up. Fail! :p [[User:Tina|Tina]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:#000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;{{ani|486}}&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Tesh|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#B8A038;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;TESH&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;{{ani|377}}&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User Talk:Tesh|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#8ECECE;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;TALK&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;{{ani|378}}&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Tesh/Other|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#B8B8D0;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;FUN&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;{{ani|379}}&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 16:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rats. [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]] 13:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Starly clock ==&lt;br /&gt;
Wasn&#039;t the clock Dawn owned in [[DP001]] a shiny starly??? --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]&#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Theryguy512|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF7F00&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Theryguy&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#5C8CFA&amp;quot;&amp;gt;5&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#5C8CFA&amp;quot;&amp;gt;1&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:Theryguy512/Games|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#5C8CFA&amp;quot;&amp;gt;2&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 01:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So would shiny Noctowl be 光る ヨルノズク? [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #221202&amp;quot;&amp;gt;S&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #550E01&amp;quot;&amp;gt;h&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #880901&amp;quot;&amp;gt;i&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #CC0500&amp;quot;&amp;gt;n&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;y&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #221202&amp;quot;&amp;gt;?&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;!&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 20:38, 21 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hikaru Yorunozuku? I think so. Google&#039;s translation officially says &amp;quot;lucent&amp;quot;. however. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;TTE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 22:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I wouldn&#039;t trust Google&#039;s translations if my life depended on it. :[--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;•&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Prima guides ==&lt;br /&gt;
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As well as using other non-explicit terms from the game such as [[Effort values]], Volume 2 of the Diamond &amp;amp; Pearl Prima guide mentions &#039;&#039;shiny Pokémon&#039;&#039; and even mentions the possibility of getting those Pokémon easily via the [[Poké Radar]].  I know those guides are authorized by Nintendo because they are sold by [[Pokémon Center (store)|PokemonCenter]].  However, how much of the content is &amp;quot;official&amp;quot;? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 20:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Question for G/S/C ==&lt;br /&gt;
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...do you need a shiny Ditto to pass on shiny genes, or does it work for any shiny &#039;&#039;&#039;in Gold and Silver&#039;&#039;&#039;? Right now, I&#039;m breeding a male Red Gyarados with a female Dratini, so I can get a shiny one, but halfway through riding on the bike through Route 34 and Goldenrod, I forgot whether shininess is only passed down through a Ditto, or any shiny. Bah! If someone could clear this up for me, it&#039;d be appreciated! [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt; [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;{{MS|281}} 18:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hmmm... I think the shiny gene is passed through any shiny Pokémon. A shiny Ditto is widely used for breeding shinies because it can breed with anything. [[User:Tesh|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#B7AD96;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;TESHIGIGAS&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== question ==&lt;br /&gt;
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i have a question&lt;br /&gt;
in gen IV, will every trainer see a shiny pokémon ssoner or later?&lt;br /&gt;
i had a green and blue tentacool once, but i erased my file&lt;br /&gt;
am i done for shiny pokémon?&lt;br /&gt;
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idk but once i saw a shiny Girafarig once . and i also hatched a shiny happiny. from that happiny egg from the hiker and it was shiny, but once it evolved it was regular. has this ever happened before on pokémon game history, or is it my game, or is it a glitch????0.o&lt;br /&gt;
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==Foreign Aid==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;rare colored Pokemon&#039;s Egg can be found little easier&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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That line is from http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=30 . It talks about the GTS and the benefits of using Pokemon from another country. Among these is &amp;quot;Rare Colored Pokemon&#039;s Egg can be found little easier.&amp;quot; I&#039;m surprised it isn&#039;t noted here yet... does anyone have any additional information?--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 04:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==I luv Mathmatics==&lt;br /&gt;
Someone help me please... I don&#039;t understand those complex formulas (sorry). Can someone explain me in english this thing? If I catch a pokemon 25 times (all of them with different personalities) will 1 be shiny or not? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 18:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The answer is simple. No. It&#039;s a one out of 8192 chance of being shiny, not 1 out of 25. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;{{MS|281}} 19:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::But what does a pokemon need to be shiny? (that was the correct question :P) how does the personality affect that? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 19:46, 19 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The personality value is a hidden value anyway; it&#039;s not the &#039;&#039;nature&#039;&#039;. It determines it, like it determines gender, Wurmple&#039;s evolution, and so on. But they&#039;re all unrelated. Shininess is also determined by the Trainer&#039;s ID number, I believe. So there&#039;s likely very few possible gender/final form/nature combos for a shiny Wurmple. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;TTE&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 20:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shiny ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If a Pokemon is shiny, would it have higher stats than a normal Pokemon, or would they just be just another Pokemon, but a different color? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 20:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Only in GS it would have different (&amp;quot;better&amp;quot;) stats. [[User:Tina|Tina]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt; [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;{{MS|281}} 21:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not really &amp;quot;better&amp;quot;, just &amp;quot;specific&amp;quot; stats. It&#039;d have all 10&#039;s except in Def. and Sp.Def, I think, while the max is 15. In Gen III and IV, though, it has the same random stats any Pokémon does. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;TTE&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 22:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alternate Colouration ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t this link here? Not everyone here uses American English ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 02:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
:yes. done. i was talking about this the other day with another user. any more of these, you tell me, i can take care of it in a jiffy. (and other people too really) -- &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;MAG&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#696969;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;NE&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#000033;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;DETH&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 03:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Weedle==&lt;br /&gt;
wait there was a weedle in the ultimate test that was colored green. is that worth metioning? [[User:ShinyMedicham]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Red number colour in Gen IV? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have been Pokésaving some Pokémon so that they are shiny.  Can anyone confirm that if the Pokémon is shiny, the colour of the number in their summary page is red?[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:My shiny Pokémon have red Pokédex numbers, and they aren&#039;t hacked. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;S&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;h&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;i&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;n&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;y&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;N&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;o&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;c&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;t&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;o&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;w&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;l&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] 01:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Alright, thank you.  I just wanted to make sure it wasn&#039;t a mistake I made while hacking.[[User:GJPal|GJ]] 01:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Breeding chance in Gen II ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that it says there is as high as a 1/64 chance of breeding a shiny Pokémon in Gen II. I recently hatched 5 eggs in my Silver version. I used a shiny male Gyarados (from the Lake of Rage) and a female Dragonite. When all 5 eggs hatched I had 2 male and 3 female Dratini. The weird thing was that 2 females were shiny. If the chances are really 1/64 than the odds of that happening are about 1/430. With only 5 samples, its not enough info to say whether this was just luck or maybe our hypotheses about breeding need to be looked over. Any thoughts? [[User:Stewy5714|Stewy5714]] 15:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Shiny legendary pokémon? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it possible to get a shiny legendary without cheating or a promotional event? Or are all normally obtainable legendaries a fixed color?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vitamin&amp;diff=394313</id>
		<title>Talk:Vitamin</title>
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		<updated>2008-06-22T17:23:00Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Sebb: /* rare candy with box trick */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==&amp;quot;Vitamin&amp;quot; accuracy==&lt;br /&gt;
You call Zinc, Calcium, Iron VITAMINS? They are elements, metals, not any &amp;quot;vitamins&amp;quot;. Well, Pokémon Fans don&#039;t have to be perfect in chemistry but calling them vitamins means COMPLETELY NO KNOWLEDGE! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Sheesh, calm down Maxim. [[User:Carnivine|Carnivine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;quot;Vitamin: Any of a group of organic substances essential in small quantities to normal metabolism, found in minute amounts in natural foodstuffs or sometimes produced synthetically: deficiencies of vitamins produce specific disorders.  Examples include Retinol (Vitamin A) • B vitamins: Thiamine (B1) • Riboflavin (B2)• Niacin (B3)• Pantothenic acid (B5)• Pyridoxine (B6)• Biotin (B7)• Folic acid (B9) • Cyanocobalamin (B12) • Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) • Ergocalciferol and Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D) • Tocopherol (Vitamin E) • Naphthoquinone (Vitamin K) • &#039;&#039;&#039;Calcium&#039;&#039;&#039; • Choline • Chlorine • Chromium • Cobalt • Copper • Fluorine • Iodine • &#039;&#039;&#039;Iron&#039;&#039;&#039; • Magnesium • Manganese • Molybdenum • Phosphorus • Potassium • Selenium • Sodium • Sulfur • &#039;&#039;&#039;Zinc&#039;&#039;&#039; •&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Don&#039;t flame people, especially when they know what they&#039;re talking about.  Many vital minerals required for the human body ARE considered vitamins. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 17:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Oh, and for the record, if you&#039;re reading this - I really don&#039;t like the tone you&#039;ve been taking with people lately - both in the forums and on the pedia.  Going around yelling at people in a constant rage is not acceptable behavior. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 17:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Nooooo, minerals are microelements and macroelements, not vitamins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Reguardless, they are referred to as &#039;&#039;&#039;vitamins&#039;&#039;&#039; throughout the games. So there. ^_^  --Paperfairy  [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Paperfairy ☆] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paperfairy ・] 18:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Paperfairy is right. So is Zeta. Maxim, you are really too angry at other people. So please stop yelling at everyone who doesn&#039;t think the exact same way you do. [[User:Carnivine|Carnivine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Carnivine, you&#039;re annoying, too. Because you&#039;re still questioning me. That&#039;s not your problem Carnivine. I know I&#039;m not perfect and you DON&#039;T HAVE TO TELL ME THIS! The thing YOU do is equal to minimodding on forums! And it&#039;s considered as WRONG! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::All I&#039;m asking is for you to just relax and stop yelling at everyone, including me. [[User:Carnivine|Carnivine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:This discussion is over. Regardless of what they are in the real world, they are &#039;&#039;&#039;Vitamins&#039;&#039;&#039; in Pokémon. Any efforts to change the page otherwise by &#039;&#039;&#039;anyone&#039;&#039;&#039; will be dealt with harshly. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 03:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rare candy = revive? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it worth noting that when a fainted pokemon is given a rare candy, it gains actual HP by the amount max HP goes up, meaning a rare candy can serve as an emergency revive in a desperate situation? --[[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 10:52, September 9, 2007&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, so would an HP up, sometimes. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 05:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well, this is the type of thing that can easily change between generations since it&#039;s not intentional, but i think i tried HP up in gen 3 to see if it worked, and it didn&#039;t i&#039;ll probably need to check again though. --[[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 8:17 September 12 2007&lt;br /&gt;
:nope, HP up doesn&#039;t work for some reason. i also tried evolution stones, no actual HP gain, just raised max HP. though this is spread among enerations, i recently tried the HP up in pearl, and a while back i was trying stones in emerald. --[[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 18:19 September 15, 2007&lt;br /&gt;
I think i got off track though, i was mainly asking if the fact is noteworthy. Does anyone think it&#039;s worth adding? --[[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 00:00 September 19, 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hp up = what? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What happens when you are using Hp Up? I have tryed it several times and haven&#039;t seen any change. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 13:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rare Candy, based on Rock Candy? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Whilst playing Earthbound the other day I was wondering whether it would be worth mentioning that the item Rare Candy might be based on the item Rock Candy from that game. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Rock Candy was used quite similarly to increase hp/pp stats after when leveling up. &lt;br /&gt;
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I thought there might be a connection, after all Creatures Inc. who makes the Pokemon games was previously Ape Inc, responsible for Earthbound.[[User:Chary|Chary]] 20:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rare candy with box trick ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can the stat flaws caused by rare candies be remedied with the [[box trick]]?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vitamin&amp;diff=394312</id>
		<title>Talk:Vitamin</title>
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		<updated>2008-06-22T17:21:31Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Sebb: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==&amp;quot;Vitamin&amp;quot; accuracy==&lt;br /&gt;
You call Zinc, Calcium, Iron VITAMINS? They are elements, metals, not any &amp;quot;vitamins&amp;quot;. Well, Pokémon Fans don&#039;t have to be perfect in chemistry but calling them vitamins means COMPLETELY NO KNOWLEDGE! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Sheesh, calm down Maxim. [[User:Carnivine|Carnivine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;quot;Vitamin: Any of a group of organic substances essential in small quantities to normal metabolism, found in minute amounts in natural foodstuffs or sometimes produced synthetically: deficiencies of vitamins produce specific disorders.  Examples include Retinol (Vitamin A) • B vitamins: Thiamine (B1) • Riboflavin (B2)• Niacin (B3)• Pantothenic acid (B5)• Pyridoxine (B6)• Biotin (B7)• Folic acid (B9) • Cyanocobalamin (B12) • Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) • Ergocalciferol and Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D) • Tocopherol (Vitamin E) • Naphthoquinone (Vitamin K) • &#039;&#039;&#039;Calcium&#039;&#039;&#039; • Choline • Chlorine • Chromium • Cobalt • Copper • Fluorine • Iodine • &#039;&#039;&#039;Iron&#039;&#039;&#039; • Magnesium • Manganese • Molybdenum • Phosphorus • Potassium • Selenium • Sodium • Sulfur • &#039;&#039;&#039;Zinc&#039;&#039;&#039; •&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Don&#039;t flame people, especially when they know what they&#039;re talking about.  Many vital minerals required for the human body ARE considered vitamins. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 17:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Oh, and for the record, if you&#039;re reading this - I really don&#039;t like the tone you&#039;ve been taking with people lately - both in the forums and on the pedia.  Going around yelling at people in a constant rage is not acceptable behavior. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 17:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Nooooo, minerals are microelements and macroelements, not vitamins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Reguardless, they are referred to as &#039;&#039;&#039;vitamins&#039;&#039;&#039; throughout the games. So there. ^_^  --Paperfairy  [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Paperfairy ☆] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paperfairy ・] 18:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Paperfairy is right. So is Zeta. Maxim, you are really too angry at other people. So please stop yelling at everyone who doesn&#039;t think the exact same way you do. [[User:Carnivine|Carnivine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Carnivine, you&#039;re annoying, too. Because you&#039;re still questioning me. That&#039;s not your problem Carnivine. I know I&#039;m not perfect and you DON&#039;T HAVE TO TELL ME THIS! The thing YOU do is equal to minimodding on forums! And it&#039;s considered as WRONG! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::All I&#039;m asking is for you to just relax and stop yelling at everyone, including me. [[User:Carnivine|Carnivine]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:This discussion is over. Regardless of what they are in the real world, they are &#039;&#039;&#039;Vitamins&#039;&#039;&#039; in Pokémon. Any efforts to change the page otherwise by &#039;&#039;&#039;anyone&#039;&#039;&#039; will be dealt with harshly. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 03:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rare candy = revive? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it worth noting that when a fainted pokemon is given a rare candy, it gains actual HP by the amount max HP goes up, meaning a rare candy can serve as an emergency revive in a desperate situation? --[[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 10:52, September 9, 2007&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, so would an HP up, sometimes. &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[User talk:TTEchidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;T&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]][[wp:Echidna|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#FF0000;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;E&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000FF;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;chidna&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 05:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Well, this is the type of thing that can easily change between generations since it&#039;s not intentional, but i think i tried HP up in gen 3 to see if it worked, and it didn&#039;t i&#039;ll probably need to check again though. --[[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 8:17 September 12 2007&lt;br /&gt;
:nope, HP up doesn&#039;t work for some reason. i also tried evolution stones, no actual HP gain, just raised max HP. though this is spread among enerations, i recently tried the HP up in pearl, and a while back i was trying stones in emerald. --[[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 18:19 September 15, 2007&lt;br /&gt;
I think i got off track though, i was mainly asking if the fact is noteworthy. Does anyone think it&#039;s worth adding? --[[User:Kendai|Kendai]] 00:00 September 19, 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hp up = what? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What happens when you are using Hp Up? I have tryed it several times and haven&#039;t seen any change. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 13:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rare Candy, based on Rock Candy? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Whilst playing Earthbound the other day I was wondering whether it would be worth mentioning that the item Rare Candy might be based on the item Rock Candy from that game. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Rock Candy was used quite similarly to increase hp/pp stats after when leveling up. &lt;br /&gt;
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I thought there might be a connection, after all Creatures Inc. who makes the Pokemon games was previously Ape Inc, responsible for Earthbound.[[User:Chary|Chary]] 20:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== rare candy with box trick ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can the stat flaws caused by rare candies be remedied with the [[box trick]]?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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