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Talk:Elite Four

2010-12-03T23:00:25Z

Saxton Hale:

Where are the sprites of Will and Karen from? Rahin 19:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:Probably Pie. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 01:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::No, they're from Exotorchic (I apologize if I misspelled that). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani490MS.gif]] 01:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Ah. ^^; [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 01:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::::But aren't they fake? Rahin 19:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

::::::Better than the older G/S sprites, I think. Sure it's fake, but it blends in better with the two FR/LG sprites. Besides, the older G/S ones are a little... low on the colors. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 20:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::That's true [[User:Yinyang1195|Rahin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Talk]] 21:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Wait, those sprites are by Coronis. They're from Serebii.net's manga bios section. I hope we have permission to use them... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 21:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't see why we're using the FR/LG sprites (and some fan-made ones as well) in the GSC section when we use the game-specific sprites in ''every other trainer class''. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 04:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Dark - Ghost - Ice - Dragon = Dark beats Ghost, Ghost doesn't beat any type here or is resistant to any, Ice beats Dragon, Dragon does not have a type advantage

Bug - Ground - Fire - Psychic = Bug beats Psychic, Ground beats Fire, Fire beats Bug, Psychic has no advantage.

So technically, if Generation III has a missing link (Ghost and Ice), and considering Generation IV does not have a consistent relationship (i.e. the type before beats the previous or the type after beats next type) and also has a missing link (Psychic)then shouldn't both Generations' Elite Fours' types be considered to have a relationship? They're both pretty loose relationships.

== Needs to be less ambiguous ==

From the article:
*[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire and]] [[Pokémon Emerald|Emerald]] are the only games in the series where only the champion has Pokémon of a different type. Though [[Wallace]] is the champion in Emerald and all his Pokémon are {{t|water}}.
This needs to be made clearer. If by "different type" it means "not one consistent type", then Emerald shouldn't be included, but all of the Kanto and Sinnoh games should. I can't see any meaning of the phrase which would only include the Hoenn games and nothing else. But I'm posting it here before editing in case I've misunderstood. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

== Lance's Deviation from Dragon-types. ==

In Generation II, Lance has a Charizard (Fire/Flying-type) even though he is a Dragon-type trainer. I added that to the Trivia. [[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 22:37, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:Due to the lack of X-type Pokemon, the Generation II Elite Four often has Y-type Pokemon with X-type characteristics. See whats-her-face and the Vileplume, and Bruno with half of his. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

==Note==
I seem to notice that {{game|Crystal}}'s the only game not mentioned on the Generation II and IV section for the Johto Elite Four. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:It is now. [[User:Diablocon|Diablocon]] 17:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

== Challenge Sprites ==

For Generation I elite four members, we don't have any challenge sprites for them, because the game hasn't provided them yet. But can't we use Lance's, Bruno's, and Blue's challenge sprites from Generation IV? ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis29]] ([[User talk:Zewis29|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|Contribs]]) 17:00, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:No. That would be messy because not all Generation I E4s have the sprite. The VS sprites also show them three years older. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
::It makes sense when you put it like that... Let's hope that they re-remake them so it doesn't look weird...----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 15:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== (Trainer class) ==

I don't think we need that. They're more than a trainer class. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, some pages got moved in the excitement of it all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

==Isshu==
We'll, technically there's no correct order. So, shouldn't we make their sequence something randomly generated? - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 02:06, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

==Types==
"Of all 17 elemental types, each type has been represented by an Elite Four member or Champion with the exception of the Electric-type. "
This misinformation is so bizarre that I didn't want to delete it, as someone must have a reason to believe it. Normal? Rock? Grass? Am I misunderstanding this? [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 14:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:Flint has a Lopunny, Bruno has an Onix, and Cynthia has a Roserade.

Even so, the trivia's wrong. Blue can have Jolteon in Yellow.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 14:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::OH, 'represented' in that fashion. I thought it meant as the leader's favoured type. I'd suggest we improve the wording, but the Jolteon thing trumps it anyway. [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 15:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Psuedo-legendary Pokémon==
Is it worth noting that the Isshu Elite Four/Champion is the only one not to use a psuedo-legendary Pokémon anywhere in their parties on the first battle? --[[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 01:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Do we need...? ==

First, do we really need the Pokémon list for each member? And the Japanese name? (Except for the Isshu ones for now, of course.) It's information that's better suited for each character's individual page (and of course it's already there), and it just seems to serve as a way to make the tables bigger so they don't look too thin on the page. I suggest we just drop both of those and leave only sprite,( English) name, and specialty type, and make the tables horizontal (sort of like the templates we already use, but with the type).
Less trivially, should we include the [[Champion]]s here? AFAIK they're not actually members of the Elite Four, and they ''do'' have their own page...s (We should do something about that too.) --'''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 23:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:What's wrong with their original names being there? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with both Memo and Ataro, I think that we should drop the Pokemon Lists (sprites) for each member, as they are just taking up space. However, I think that we should leave the Japanese names there. The games originate in Japan, so having their Japanese (original) names there is important. Also I think that we should include the Champions here, as they need to be battled to defeat the game, and are therefore, honorary members of the Elite Four (and sometimes former members of the Elite Four). So in closing, I think that we should include their Sprite, Japanese Name, English Name, and Specialty Type. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|JediKnight]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|DTV]] 00:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Not taking either side here, but some people just type in "Elite Four" when looking for information and trying to beat their game. The party lists save them the trouble of clicking to get to the individual pages.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

== gen v rematch addons ==

in the rematches vs the isshu elite four, they each get one gen iii pokémon and one gen iv pokémon, with the exception of shikimi who has frosslass (which is from a gen iii family) instead. also pre-rematch rembu's team is all pure fighting, that's a first right? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 13:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Gen V Elite Four Trivia ==

Let's take the numbers of previous Elites who used the types used in Gen V, in order of appearance:

Ghost- Agatha (third) and Phoebe (second) 3+2=5

Dark- Karen (fourth) and Sidney (first) 4+1=5

Psychic- Will (first) and Lucian (fourth) 1+4=5

Fighting- Bruno (second) and Bruno again (third) 2+3=5

All of them sum up to 5. Fifth generation.

Is this enough to appear in trivia?--[[User:Saxton Hale|Saxton Hale]] 22:57, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Elite Four

2010-12-03T22:59:57Z

Saxton Hale:

Where are the sprites of Will and Karen from? Rahin 19:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:Probably Pie. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 01:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::No, they're from Exotorchic (I apologize if I misspelled that). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani490MS.gif]] 01:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Ah. ^^; [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 01:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::::But aren't they fake? Rahin 19:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

::::::Better than the older G/S sprites, I think. Sure it's fake, but it blends in better with the two FR/LG sprites. Besides, the older G/S ones are a little... low on the colors. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 20:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::That's true [[User:Yinyang1195|Rahin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Talk]] 21:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Wait, those sprites are by Coronis. They're from Serebii.net's manga bios section. I hope we have permission to use them... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 21:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't see why we're using the FR/LG sprites (and some fan-made ones as well) in the GSC section when we use the game-specific sprites in ''every other trainer class''. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 04:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Dark - Ghost - Ice - Dragon = Dark beats Ghost, Ghost doesn't beat any type here or is resistant to any, Ice beats Dragon, Dragon does not have a type advantage

Bug - Ground - Fire - Psychic = Bug beats Psychic, Ground beats Fire, Fire beats Bug, Psychic has no advantage.

So technically, if Generation III has a missing link (Ghost and Ice), and considering Generation IV does not have a consistent relationship (i.e. the type before beats the previous or the type after beats next type) and also has a missing link (Psychic)then shouldn't both Generations' Elite Fours' types be considered to have a relationship? They're both pretty loose relationships.

== Needs to be less ambiguous ==

From the article:
*[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire and]] [[Pokémon Emerald|Emerald]] are the only games in the series where only the champion has Pokémon of a different type. Though [[Wallace]] is the champion in Emerald and all his Pokémon are {{t|water}}.
This needs to be made clearer. If by "different type" it means "not one consistent type", then Emerald shouldn't be included, but all of the Kanto and Sinnoh games should. I can't see any meaning of the phrase which would only include the Hoenn games and nothing else. But I'm posting it here before editing in case I've misunderstood. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

== Lance's Deviation from Dragon-types. ==

In Generation II, Lance has a Charizard (Fire/Flying-type) even though he is a Dragon-type trainer. I added that to the Trivia. [[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 22:37, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:Due to the lack of X-type Pokemon, the Generation II Elite Four often has Y-type Pokemon with X-type characteristics. See whats-her-face and the Vileplume, and Bruno with half of his. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

==Note==
I seem to notice that {{game|Crystal}}'s the only game not mentioned on the Generation II and IV section for the Johto Elite Four. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:It is now. [[User:Diablocon|Diablocon]] 17:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

== Challenge Sprites ==

For Generation I elite four members, we don't have any challenge sprites for them, because the game hasn't provided them yet. But can't we use Lance's, Bruno's, and Blue's challenge sprites from Generation IV? ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis29]] ([[User talk:Zewis29|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|Contribs]]) 17:00, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:No. That would be messy because not all Generation I E4s have the sprite. The VS sprites also show them three years older. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
::It makes sense when you put it like that... Let's hope that they re-remake them so it doesn't look weird...----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 15:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== (Trainer class) ==

I don't think we need that. They're more than a trainer class. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, some pages got moved in the excitement of it all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

==Isshu==
We'll, technically there's no correct order. So, shouldn't we make their sequence something randomly generated? - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 02:06, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

==Types==
"Of all 17 elemental types, each type has been represented by an Elite Four member or Champion with the exception of the Electric-type. "
This misinformation is so bizarre that I didn't want to delete it, as someone must have a reason to believe it. Normal? Rock? Grass? Am I misunderstanding this? [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 14:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:Flint has a Lopunny, Bruno has an Onix, and Cynthia has a Roserade.

Even so, the trivia's wrong. Blue can have Jolteon in Yellow.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 14:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::OH, 'represented' in that fashion. I thought it meant as the leader's favoured type. I'd suggest we improve the wording, but the Jolteon thing trumps it anyway. [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 15:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Psuedo-legendary Pokémon==
Is it worth noting that the Isshu Elite Four/Champion is the only one not to use a psuedo-legendary Pokémon anywhere in their parties on the first battle? --[[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 01:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Do we need...? ==

First, do we really need the Pokémon list for each member? And the Japanese name? (Except for the Isshu ones for now, of course.) It's information that's better suited for each character's individual page (and of course it's already there), and it just seems to serve as a way to make the tables bigger so they don't look too thin on the page. I suggest we just drop both of those and leave only sprite,( English) name, and specialty type, and make the tables horizontal (sort of like the templates we already use, but with the type).
Less trivially, should we include the [[Champion]]s here? AFAIK they're not actually members of the Elite Four, and they ''do'' have their own page...s (We should do something about that too.) --'''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 23:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:What's wrong with their original names being there? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with both Memo and Ataro, I think that we should drop the Pokemon Lists (sprites) for each member, as they are just taking up space. However, I think that we should leave the Japanese names there. The games originate in Japan, so having their Japanese (original) names there is important. Also I think that we should include the Champions here, as they need to be battled to defeat the game, and are therefore, honorary members of the Elite Four (and sometimes former members of the Elite Four). So in closing, I think that we should include their Sprite, Japanese Name, English Name, and Specialty Type. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|JediKnight]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|DTV]] 00:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Not taking either side here, but some people just type in "Elite Four" when looking for information and trying to beat their game. The party lists save them the trouble of clicking to get to the individual pages.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

== gen v rematch addons ==

in the rematches vs the isshu elite four, they each get one gen iii pokémon and one gen iv pokémon, with the exception of shikimi who has frosslass (which is from a gen iii family) instead. also pre-rematch rembu's team is all pure fighting, that's a first right? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 13:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Gen V Elite Four Trivia ==

Let's take the numbers of previous Elites who used the types used in Gen V, in order of appearance: ::
Ghost- Agatha (third) and Phoebe (second) 3+2=5::
Dark- Karen (fourth) and Sidney (first) 4+1=5::
Psychic- Will (first) and Lucian (fourth) 1+4=5::
Fighting- Bruno (second) and Bruno again (third) 2+3=5::
All of them sum up to 5. Fifth generation.::
Is this enough to appear in trivia?--[[User:Saxton Hale|Saxton Hale]] 22:57, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Elite Four

2010-12-03T22:57:13Z

Saxton Hale:

Where are the sprites of Will and Karen from? Rahin 19:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:Probably Pie. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 01:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::No, they're from Exotorchic (I apologize if I misspelled that). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani490MS.gif]] 01:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Ah. ^^; [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 01:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::::But aren't they fake? Rahin 19:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

::::::Better than the older G/S sprites, I think. Sure it's fake, but it blends in better with the two FR/LG sprites. Besides, the older G/S ones are a little... low on the colors. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 20:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::That's true [[User:Yinyang1195|Rahin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Talk]] 21:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Wait, those sprites are by Coronis. They're from Serebii.net's manga bios section. I hope we have permission to use them... --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 21:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't see why we're using the FR/LG sprites (and some fan-made ones as well) in the GSC section when we use the game-specific sprites in ''every other trainer class''. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 04:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Dark - Ghost - Ice - Dragon = Dark beats Ghost, Ghost doesn't beat any type here or is resistant to any, Ice beats Dragon, Dragon does not have a type advantage

Bug - Ground - Fire - Psychic = Bug beats Psychic, Ground beats Fire, Fire beats Bug, Psychic has no advantage.

So technically, if Generation III has a missing link (Ghost and Ice), and considering Generation IV does not have a consistent relationship (i.e. the type before beats the previous or the type after beats next type) and also has a missing link (Psychic)then shouldn't both Generations' Elite Fours' types be considered to have a relationship? They're both pretty loose relationships.

== Needs to be less ambiguous ==

From the article:
*[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire|Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire and]] [[Pokémon Emerald|Emerald]] are the only games in the series where only the champion has Pokémon of a different type. Though [[Wallace]] is the champion in Emerald and all his Pokémon are {{t|water}}.
This needs to be made clearer. If by "different type" it means "not one consistent type", then Emerald shouldn't be included, but all of the Kanto and Sinnoh games should. I can't see any meaning of the phrase which would only include the Hoenn games and nothing else. But I'm posting it here before editing in case I've misunderstood. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

== Lance's Deviation from Dragon-types. ==

In Generation II, Lance has a Charizard (Fire/Flying-type) even though he is a Dragon-type trainer. I added that to the Trivia. [[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 22:37, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:Due to the lack of X-type Pokemon, the Generation II Elite Four often has Y-type Pokemon with X-type characteristics. See whats-her-face and the Vileplume, and Bruno with half of his. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

==Note==
I seem to notice that {{game|Crystal}}'s the only game not mentioned on the Generation II and IV section for the Johto Elite Four. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 16:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:It is now. [[User:Diablocon|Diablocon]] 17:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

== Challenge Sprites ==

For Generation I elite four members, we don't have any challenge sprites for them, because the game hasn't provided them yet. But can't we use Lance's, Bruno's, and Blue's challenge sprites from Generation IV? ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis29]] ([[User talk:Zewis29|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|Contribs]]) 17:00, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:No. That would be messy because not all Generation I E4s have the sprite. The VS sprites also show them three years older. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
::It makes sense when you put it like that... Let's hope that they re-remake them so it doesn't look weird...----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 15:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== (Trainer class) ==

I don't think we need that. They're more than a trainer class. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, some pages got moved in the excitement of it all. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

==Isshu==
We'll, technically there's no correct order. So, shouldn't we make their sequence something randomly generated? - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 02:06, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

==Types==
"Of all 17 elemental types, each type has been represented by an Elite Four member or Champion with the exception of the Electric-type. "
This misinformation is so bizarre that I didn't want to delete it, as someone must have a reason to believe it. Normal? Rock? Grass? Am I misunderstanding this? [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 14:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:Flint has a Lopunny, Bruno has an Onix, and Cynthia has a Roserade.

Even so, the trivia's wrong. Blue can have Jolteon in Yellow.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 14:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::OH, 'represented' in that fashion. I thought it meant as the leader's favoured type. I'd suggest we improve the wording, but the Jolteon thing trumps it anyway. [[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 15:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Psuedo-legendary Pokémon==
Is it worth noting that the Isshu Elite Four/Champion is the only one not to use a psuedo-legendary Pokémon anywhere in their parties on the first battle? --[[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 01:43, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Do we need...? ==

First, do we really need the Pokémon list for each member? And the Japanese name? (Except for the Isshu ones for now, of course.) It's information that's better suited for each character's individual page (and of course it's already there), and it just seems to serve as a way to make the tables bigger so they don't look too thin on the page. I suggest we just drop both of those and leave only sprite,( English) name, and specialty type, and make the tables horizontal (sort of like the templates we already use, but with the type).
Less trivially, should we include the [[Champion]]s here? AFAIK they're not actually members of the Elite Four, and they ''do'' have their own page...s (We should do something about that too.) --'''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 23:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:What's wrong with their original names being there? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with both Memo and Ataro, I think that we should drop the Pokemon Lists (sprites) for each member, as they are just taking up space. However, I think that we should leave the Japanese names there. The games originate in Japan, so having their Japanese (original) names there is important. Also I think that we should include the Champions here, as they need to be battled to defeat the game, and are therefore, honorary members of the Elite Four (and sometimes former members of the Elite Four). So in closing, I think that we should include their Sprite, Japanese Name, English Name, and Specialty Type. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|JediKnight]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|DTV]] 00:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Not taking either side here, but some people just type in "Elite Four" when looking for information and trying to beat their game. The party lists save them the trouble of clicking to get to the individual pages.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

== gen v rematch addons ==

in the rematches vs the isshu elite four, they each get one gen iii pokémon and one gen iv pokémon, with the exception of shikimi who has frosslass (which is from a gen iii family) instead. also pre-rematch rembu's team is all pure fighting, that's a first right? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 13:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Gen V Elite Four Trivia ==

Let's take the numbers of previous Elites who used the types used in Gen V, in order of appearance:
Ghost- Agatha (third) and Phoebe (second) 3+2=5
Dark- Karen (fourth) and Sidney (first) 4+1=5
Psychic- Will (first) and Lucian (fourth) 1+4=5
Fighting- Bruno (second) and Bruno again (third) 2+3=5
All of them sum up to 5. Fifth generation.
Is this enough to appear in trivia?--[[User:Saxton Hale|Saxton Hale]] 22:57, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Clay

2010-11-26T18:42:52Z

Saxton Hale:

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corecolor={{ground color light}}|
bordercolor={{ground color dark}}|
name=Yacon|
jname=ヤーコン|
tmname=Yacon|
slogan=yes|
sloganline=Underground boss|
image=Black White Yacon.png|
size=150px|
caption=Artwork from Black and White |
colors=yes|
eyes=Brown|
hair=Brown|
gender=Male|
hometown=[[Hodomoe City]] |
region=[[Unova]] |
relatives=Unknown|
trainer=yes|
trainerclass=Gym Leader|
game=yes|
leader=yes|
gym=Hodomoe Gym|
specialist=yes|
type={{type2|Ground}}s|
badge=Quake Badge |
team=no|
brain=no|
anime=no|
epnum=Best Wishes series|
epname=Best Wishes series|
generation={{Gen|V}}|
games={{2v2|Black|White}}|
enva=N/A |
java=N/A|
}}
(Japanese: '''ヤーコン''' ''Yacon'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Hodomoe City]]'s Gym, known officially as the [[Hodomoe Gym]]. He specializes in {{type2|Ground}} Pokémon. He gives the {{badge|Quake}} to Trainers who defeat him.

==In the games==
Yacon appears in {{game|Black and White|s}} as the [[Gym Leader]] of Hodomoe City's gym. This gym will be the fifth to be challenged by the player. Trainers who defeat Yacon will receive the Quake Badge. Shortly after, he appears on [[Unova Route 6|Route 6]] to aid the player in removing the [[Denchura]] web blocking the entrance to the [[Electric Rock Cave]]. After his [[Waruvile]] removes the web, he gives {{TM|78|Smooth Over}} to the player. He also reappears again at [[N's Castle]] where he and the other [[Unova]] Gym Leaders hold off the [[Seven Sages]].

===Pokémon===
===={{game|Black and White|s}}====
=====Gym match=====
{{Party
|color={{ground color}}
|bordercolor={{ground color dark}}
|headcolor={{ground color light}}
|sprite=Spr BW Yacon.png
|prize={{PDollar}}3720
|class=Leader
|name=Yacon
|game=BW
|location=Hodomoe Gym
|pokemon=3
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=552
|pokemon=Waruvile
|level=29
|gender=male
|type1=Ground|type2=Dark
|ability=Overconfident
|held=None
|move1=Swagger|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Torment|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Status
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=536
|pokemon=Gamagaru
|level=29
|gender=male
|type1=Water|type2=Ground
|ability=Swift Swim
|held=None
|move1=Aqua Ring|move1type=Water|move1cat=Status
|move2=BubbleBeam|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special
|move3=Muddy Water|move3type=Water|move3cat=Special
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=530
|pokemon=Doryuzu
|level=31
|gender=male
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|ability=Sand Paddle
|held=None
|move1=Claw Sharpen|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Status
|move2=Slash|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

===Sprites===
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color}};"
|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Spr BW Yacon.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:VSYacon.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Yacon's sprite from [[Generation V]]
| Yacon's VS sprite from [[Generation V]]
|}



==Trivia==
* His Japanese Leader title is {{tt|アンダーグラウンド　ボス|Underground boss}}.

===Names===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{ground color}};"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
| ヤーコン ''Yacon''
| From {{wp|yacón}}. May also be from 坤 ''kon'' (kun), a trigram in {{wp|I Ching}} that represents earth.
|-
|}
{{-}}
{{Gym Leaders of Unova}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Male characters]]
[[Category:Black and White characters]]
[[Category:Ground-type Trainers]]

[[de:Yākon]]
[[fr:Yacon]]
[[ja:ヤーコン]]

Clay

2010-11-26T18:42:21Z

Saxton Hale:

{{Unsatisfactory|1}}
{{CharInfobox|
color={{ground color}}|
corecolor={{ground color light}}|
bordercolor={{ground color dark}}|
name=Yacon|
jname=ヤーコン|
tmname=Yacon|
slogan=yes|
sloganline=Underground boss|
image=Black White Yacon.png|
size=150px|
caption=Artwork from Black and White |
colors=yes|
eyes=Brown|
hair=Brown|
gender=Male|
hometown=[[Hodomoe City]] |
region=[[Unova]] |
relatives=Unknown|
trainer=yes|
trainerclass=Gym Leader|
game=yes|
leader=yes|
gym=Hodomoe Gym|
specialist=yes|
type={{type2|Ground}}s|
badge=Quake Badge |
team=no|
brain=no|
anime=no|
epnum=Best Wishes series|
epname=Best Wishes series|
generation={{Gen|V}}|
games={{2v2|Black|White}}|
enva=N/A |
java=N/A|
}}
(Japanese: '''ヤーコン''' ''Yacon'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Hodomoe City]]'s Gym, known officially as the [[Hodomoe Gym]]. He specializes in {{type2|Ground}} Pokémon. He gives the {{badge|Quake}} to Trainers who defeat him.

==In the games==
Yacon appears in {{game|Black and White|s}} as the [[Gym Leader]] of Hodomoe City's gym. This gym will be the fifth to be challenged by the player. Trainers who defeat Yacon will receive the Quake Badge. Shortly after, he appears on [[Unova Route 6|Route 6]] to aid the player in removing the [[Denchura]] web blocking the entrance to the [[Electric Rock Cave]]. After his [[Waruvile]] removes the web, he gives {{TM|78|Smooth Over}} to the player. He also reappears at [[N's Castle]] where he and the other [[Unova]] Gym Leaders hold off the [[Seven Sages]].

===Pokémon===
===={{game|Black and White|s}}====
=====Gym match=====
{{Party
|color={{ground color}}
|bordercolor={{ground color dark}}
|headcolor={{ground color light}}
|sprite=Spr BW Yacon.png
|prize={{PDollar}}3720
|class=Leader
|name=Yacon
|game=BW
|location=Hodomoe Gym
|pokemon=3
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=552
|pokemon=Waruvile
|level=29
|gender=male
|type1=Ground|type2=Dark
|ability=Overconfident
|held=None
|move1=Swagger|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Torment|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Status
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=536
|pokemon=Gamagaru
|level=29
|gender=male
|type1=Water|type2=Ground
|ability=Swift Swim
|held=None
|move1=Aqua Ring|move1type=Water|move1cat=Status
|move2=BubbleBeam|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special
|move3=Muddy Water|move3type=Water|move3cat=Special
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=530
|pokemon=Doryuzu
|level=31
|gender=male
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|ability=Sand Paddle
|held=None
|move1=Claw Sharpen|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Status
|move2=Slash|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

===Sprites===
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color}};"
|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Spr BW Yacon.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:VSYacon.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Yacon's sprite from [[Generation V]]
| Yacon's VS sprite from [[Generation V]]
|}



==Trivia==
* His Japanese Leader title is {{tt|アンダーグラウンド　ボス|Underground boss}}.

===Names===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{ground color}};"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
| ヤーコン ''Yacon''
| From {{wp|yacón}}. May also be from 坤 ''kon'' (kun), a trigram in {{wp|I Ching}} that represents earth.
|-
|}
{{-}}
{{Gym Leaders of Unova}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Male characters]]
[[Category:Black and White characters]]
[[Category:Ground-type Trainers]]

[[de:Yākon]]
[[fr:Yacon]]
[[ja:ヤーコン]]

Clay

2010-11-26T18:42:02Z

Saxton Hale:

{{Unsatisfactory|1}}
{{CharInfobox|
color={{ground color}}|
corecolor={{ground color light}}|
bordercolor={{ground color dark}}|
name=Yacon|
jname=ヤーコン|
tmname=Yacon|
slogan=yes|
sloganline=Underground boss|
image=Black White Yacon.png|
size=150px|
caption=Artwork from Black and White |
colors=yes|
eyes=Brown|
hair=Brown|
gender=Male|
hometown=[[Hodomoe City]] |
region=[[Unova]] |
relatives=Unknown|
trainer=yes|
trainerclass=Gym Leader|
game=yes|
leader=yes|
gym=Hodomoe Gym|
specialist=yes|
type={{type2|Ground}}s|
badge=Quake Badge |
team=no|
brain=no|
anime=no|
epnum=Best Wishes series|
epname=Best Wishes series|
generation={{Gen|V}}|
games={{2v2|Black|White}}|
enva=N/A |
java=N/A|
}}
(Japanese: '''ヤーコン''' ''Yacon'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Hodomoe City]]'s Gym, known officially as the [[Hodomoe Gym]]. He specializes in {{type2|Ground}} Pokémon. He gives the {{badge|Quake}} to Trainers who defeat him.

==In the games==
Yacon appears in {{game|Black and White|s}} as the [[Gym Leader]] of Hodomoe City's gym. This gym will be the fifth to be challenged by the player. Trainers who defeat Yacon will receive the Quake Badge. Shortly after, he appears on [[Unova Route 6|Route 6]] to aid the player in removing the [[Denchura]] web blocking the entrance to the [[Electric Rock Cave]. After his [[Waruvile]] removes the web, he gives {{TM|78|Smooth Over}} to the player. He also reappears at [[N's Castle]] where he and the other [[Unova]] Gym Leaders hold off the [[Seven Sages]].

===Pokémon===
===={{game|Black and White|s}}====
=====Gym match=====
{{Party
|color={{ground color}}
|bordercolor={{ground color dark}}
|headcolor={{ground color light}}
|sprite=Spr BW Yacon.png
|prize={{PDollar}}3720
|class=Leader
|name=Yacon
|game=BW
|location=Hodomoe Gym
|pokemon=3
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=552
|pokemon=Waruvile
|level=29
|gender=male
|type1=Ground|type2=Dark
|ability=Overconfident
|held=None
|move1=Swagger|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Torment|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Status
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=536
|pokemon=Gamagaru
|level=29
|gender=male
|type1=Water|type2=Ground
|ability=Swift Swim
|held=None
|move1=Aqua Ring|move1type=Water|move1cat=Status
|move2=BubbleBeam|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special
|move3=Muddy Water|move3type=Water|move3cat=Special
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=530
|pokemon=Doryuzu
|level=31
|gender=male
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|ability=Sand Paddle
|held=None
|move1=Claw Sharpen|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Status
|move2=Slash|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

===Sprites===
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color}};"
|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Spr BW Yacon.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:VSYacon.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Yacon's sprite from [[Generation V]]
| Yacon's VS sprite from [[Generation V]]
|}



==Trivia==
* His Japanese Leader title is {{tt|アンダーグラウンド　ボス|Underground boss}}.

===Names===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{ground color}};"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
| ヤーコン ''Yacon''
| From {{wp|yacón}}. May also be from 坤 ''kon'' (kun), a trigram in {{wp|I Ching}} that represents earth.
|-
|}
{{-}}
{{Gym Leaders of Unova}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Male characters]]
[[Category:Black and White characters]]
[[Category:Ground-type Trainers]]

[[de:Yākon]]
[[fr:Yacon]]
[[ja:ヤーコン]]

Clay

2010-11-26T18:39:08Z

Saxton Hale:

{{Unsatisfactory|1}}
{{CharInfobox|
color={{ground color}}|
corecolor={{ground color light}}|
bordercolor={{ground color dark}}|
name=Yacon|
jname=ヤーコン|
tmname=Yacon|
slogan=yes|
sloganline=Underground boss|
image=Black White Yacon.png|
size=150px|
caption=Artwork from Black and White |
colors=yes|
eyes=Brown|
hair=Brown|
gender=Male|
hometown=[[Hodomoe City]] |
region=[[Unova]] |
relatives=Unknown|
trainer=yes|
trainerclass=Gym Leader|
game=yes|
leader=yes|
gym=Hodomoe Gym|
specialist=yes|
type={{type2|Ground}}s|
badge=Quake Badge |
team=no|
brain=no|
anime=no|
epnum=Best Wishes series|
epname=Best Wishes series|
generation={{Gen|V}}|
games={{2v2|Black|White}}|
enva=N/A |
java=N/A|
}}
(Japanese: '''ヤーコン''' ''Yacon'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Hodomoe City]]'s Gym, known officially as the [[Hodomoe Gym]]. He specializes in {{type2|Ground}} Pokémon. He gives the {{badge|Quake}} to Trainers who defeat him.

==In the games==
Yacon appears in {{game|Black and White|s}} as the [[Gym Leader]] of Hodomoe City's gym. This gym will be the fifth to be challenged by the player. Trainers who defeat Yacon will receive the Quake Badge, along with {{TM|78|Smooth Over}}. Shortly after, he appears on [[Unova Route 6|Route 6]] to aid the player in removing the [[Denchura]] web blocking the entrance to the [[Electric Rock Cave]]. He also reappears at [[N's Castle]] where he and the other [[Unova]] Gym Leaders hold off the [[Seven Sages]].

===Pokémon===
===={{game|Black and White|s}}====
=====Gym match=====
{{Party
|color={{ground color}}
|bordercolor={{ground color dark}}
|headcolor={{ground color light}}
|sprite=Spr BW Yacon.png
|prize={{PDollar}}3720
|class=Leader
|name=Yacon
|game=BW
|location=Hodomoe Gym
|pokemon=3
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=552
|pokemon=Waruvile
|level=29
|gender=male
|type1=Ground|type2=Dark
|ability=Overconfident
|held=None
|move1=Swagger|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Torment|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Status
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=536
|pokemon=Gamagaru
|level=29
|gender=male
|type1=Water|type2=Ground
|ability=Swift Swim
|held=None
|move1=Aqua Ring|move1type=Water|move1cat=Status
|move2=BubbleBeam|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special
|move3=Muddy Water|move3type=Water|move3cat=Special
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=530
|pokemon=Doryuzu
|level=31
|gender=male
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|ability=Sand Paddle
|held=None
|move1=Claw Sharpen|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Status
|move2=Slash|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

===Sprites===
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color}};"
|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Spr BW Yacon.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:VSYacon.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Yacon's sprite from [[Generation V]]
| Yacon's VS sprite from [[Generation V]]
|}



==Trivia==
* His Japanese Leader title is {{tt|アンダーグラウンド　ボス|Underground boss}}.

===Names===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{ground color}};"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
| ヤーコン ''Yacon''
| From {{wp|yacón}}. May also be from 坤 ''kon'' (kun), a trigram in {{wp|I Ching}} that represents earth.
|-
|}
{{-}}
{{Gym Leaders of Unova}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Male characters]]
[[Category:Black and White characters]]
[[Category:Ground-type Trainers]]

[[de:Yākon]]
[[fr:Yacon]]
[[ja:ヤーコン]]

Clay

2010-11-26T18:36:55Z

Saxton Hale:

{{Unsatisfactory|1}}
{{CharInfobox|
color={{ground color}}|
corecolor={{ground color light}}|
bordercolor={{ground color dark}}|
name=Yacon|
jname=ヤーコン|
tmname=Yacon|
slogan=yes|
sloganline=Underground boss|
image=Black White Yacon.png|
size=150px|
caption=Artwork from Black and White |
colors=yes|
eyes=Brown|
hair=Brown|
gender=Male|
hometown=[[Hodomoe City]] |
region=[[Unova]] |
relatives=Unknown|
trainer=yes|
trainerclass=Gym Leader|
game=yes|
leader=yes|
gym=Hodomoe Gym|
specialist=yes|
type={{type2|Ground}}s|
badge=Quake Badge |
team=no|
brain=no|
anime=no|
epnum=Best Wishes series|
epname=Best Wishes series|
generation={{Gen|V}}|
games={{2v2|Black|White}}|
enva=N/A |
java=N/A|
}}
(Japanese: '''ヤーコン''' ''Yacon'') is the [[Gym Leader]] of [[Hodomoe City]]'s Gym, known officially as the [[Hodomoe Gym]]. He specializes in {{type2|Ground}} Pokémon. He gives the {{badge|Quake}} to Trainers who defeat him.

==In the games==
Yacon appears in {{game|Black and White|s}} as the [[Gym Leader]] of Hodomoe City's gym. This gym will be the fifth to be challenged by the player. Trainers who defeat Yacon will receive the Quake Badge, along with {{TM|78|Smooth Over}}. Shortly after, he appears at [[Unova Route 6|Route 6]] to aid the player in removing the [[Denchura]] web blocking the entrance to the [[Electric Rock Cave]]. He also reappears at [[N's Castle]] where he and the other [[Unova]] Gym Leaders hold off the [[Seven Sages]].

===Pokémon===
===={{game|Black and White|s}}====
=====Gym match=====
{{Party
|color={{ground color}}
|bordercolor={{ground color dark}}
|headcolor={{ground color light}}
|sprite=Spr BW Yacon.png
|prize={{PDollar}}3720
|class=Leader
|name=Yacon
|game=BW
|location=Hodomoe Gym
|pokemon=3
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=552
|pokemon=Waruvile
|level=29
|gender=male
|type1=Ground|type2=Dark
|ability=Overconfident
|held=None
|move1=Swagger|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Torment|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Status
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=536
|pokemon=Gamagaru
|level=29
|gender=male
|type1=Water|type2=Ground
|ability=Swift Swim
|held=None
|move1=Aqua Ring|move1type=Water|move1cat=Status
|move2=BubbleBeam|move2type=Water|move2cat=Special
|move3=Muddy Water|move3type=Water|move3cat=Special
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black
|ndex=530
|pokemon=Doryuzu
|level=31
|gender=male
|type1=Ground
|type2=Steel
|ability=Sand Paddle
|held=None
|move1=Claw Sharpen|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Status
|move2=Slash|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Smooth Over|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

===Sprites===
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color}};"
|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:Spr BW Yacon.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #{{ground color dark}}; background: #{{ground color light}}; width:80px"| [[File:VSYacon.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Yacon's sprite from [[Generation V]]
| Yacon's VS sprite from [[Generation V]]
|}



==Trivia==
* His Japanese Leader title is {{tt|アンダーグラウンド　ボス|Underground boss}}.

===Names===
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{ground color}};"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
| ヤーコン ''Yacon''
| From {{wp|yacón}}. May also be from 坤 ''kon'' (kun), a trigram in {{wp|I Ching}} that represents earth.
|-
|}
{{-}}
{{Gym Leaders of Unova}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Male characters]]
[[Category:Black and White characters]]
[[Category:Ground-type Trainers]]

[[de:Yākon]]
[[fr:Yacon]]
[[ja:ヤーコン]]

User talk:Saxton Hale

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Talk:Incense

2010-05-09T15:36:23Z

Saxton Hale:

==Gen III?==
Hey, shouldn't there be the Gen III incenses listed here, too? I'd do it, but I only know of Sea Incense, and I don't know where it's found. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 17:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, the Gen III incenses are listed, as they also appear in Gen IV. All we need added are the Gen III locations for the ones that appeared in Gen III - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 18:07, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:Hm, and an add-on comment here. The two incense that do appear in Gen III have their locations already! ^_^ - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 18:33, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
::Well oops on my part! I guess I thought there were more in Gen III, and expected them to have their own section. My bad! Thanks! [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 23:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

==Surfing Pikachu?==
There's a rumour that making a Surfing Pikachu hold a Wave Incense allows it to pass down Surf to its child Pichu? Mere hogwash, or is there something in it? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Spikkle}} ([[User talk:Spikkle|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spikkle|contribs]]) ''
:Go on and test it yourself, but I heavily doubt it. Wave Incense is for Mantine. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== Do incences get used up? or do they stay held? ==

read title, says it all {{unsigned|Ben7229}}
:Nope incenses aren't consumable, you get to keep them even after you breed a Pokémon with them. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 23:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

== Triva ==
Should it be added that the Wave and Sea Incenses are the only ones to share an efect? ( They both bost water moves )--[[User:Zendude|Zendude]] 02:18, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:No, it should be a bit obvious. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:29, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Ditto ==
Do the Incenses work on Ditto? For example, a male Snorlax is put in Day Care with a Ditto holding Lax Incense. Will it give a Munchlax? [[User:Saxton Hale|Saxton Hale]] 15:36, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Ditto (Pokémon)

2010-05-09T15:22:56Z

Saxton Hale:

I'm pretty sure Ditto's in the No Egg group. While it can breed with any Pokémon besides those in the No Egg group, it cannot breed with another Ditto, implying that it is, itself, in the No Egg group. -[[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]]

Ditto is in a special egg group called "DITTO" (you know how the game likes to use all-caps for Pokemon names). This group allows it to breed with anything other than a Pokemon in the "No EGGs" group or the "DITTO" group. This is what allows Ditto to breed with Pikachu or Staryu, but Suicune can't breed with other Pokemon. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

I thought you could breed two Ditto and get another Ditto. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 23:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nope. Stupidly. ~Ketz

Ditto is able to breed with other Pokémon ostensibly because of its ability to transform into other Pokémon. If it was paired with another Ditto, it wouldn't have anything to transform into, and since Ditto are genderless, would therefore have no reproductive organs.

Makes perfect sense to me that two purplish-pink blobs can't mate with each other. --17:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Ozzie

Does that mean that Ditto can breed with Lucario?[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 03:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:Anything but legendaries means anything but legendaries. Lucario isn't legendary. Therefore, ''of course''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

::Er Thanks...[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 08:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

didnt in in the II gen games if you put Ditto in the day care by itself turn into two dittos (most likely because it duplicated like a cell)--[[User:Kittenchild|Kittenchild]] 02:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

So I can't have a Lvl.1 Ditto? [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In the same note of discussion, how was the Steps to Hatch a Ditto Egg reached? Hack?
:The data's in there for all Pokémon just in case you ''somehow'' (usually hacking) manage to make an egg of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 07:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Hmmm..... ==

Ditto in the [[Anime]] could morph into any other pokemonn but keeps it size in some cases , but in the TCG it keeps its beaded eyes , that just makes wonder , can the [[Pokémon]] that ditto morphs to in the TCG be exceptions or special forms?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think so...D: Not sure... *is currently in Science-ICT class at school* [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 12:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

i think the info above should be mentioned in the trivia about the beaded eyes. to be honest nintendo shoud confirm this--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Though worthless to do, can't u breed 2 Dittos and get another Ditto?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

:No. You cannot breed a Ditto with a Ditto. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Really... interesting--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It's confusing, but it makes vague sense since Ditto has no gender. Remember, non-gendered Pokémon can't be bred, even with Ditto...it's "Unknown"-gendered Pokémon (Magnemite etc.) that can. Ditto has a unique egg type as well, we assume it breeds with everything except itself and None. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

While not made true in the games or implied in other sources: Considering its physical structure, does anyone else think that Ditto reproduces asexually? -- [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 18:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:It probably does, but since no official sources imply or otherwise indicate this, it doesn't belong in the article. It's pure speculation, and it's just as plausible that a fixed number of Ditto were created by Arceus at the beginning or time, and they lie dormant until bothered in the tall grasses. Or maybe Dittos are actually single cells from Mew's body that have grown much larger. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::That... actually makes perfect sense. It would explain why the both of them can use Transform while no other pokemon can...[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Learn every move ==

Can't ditto learn every move with its move transform?[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 00:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:But since it doesn't keep the move permanently, it doesn't go under the Learnset section. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 00:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok i was just wondering[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 14:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

== Color ==

Sould it be noted that, in all sprites exept Gen. 3 Ditto's color is purple, but in its Gen. 3 sprite it's pink ? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 15:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

no cos to me it looks pink all time and in Yellow it Yellowy-green.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Buggy Moves ==
In my Pokemon Diamond game, I was using Ditto to catch Pokemon. After using transform on and catching a Primape, combat ended with Ditto still looking like Primape (duh). After that I got into another wild battle and Ditto was Ditto again, but with Primape's moveset. I am making an assumption that you can potentially make Ditto a permanent clone move-wise this way, anyone want to experiment? [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 21:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

never happed to me and my ditto, if was a bug in your game then you are lucky.
and what do mean experiment? I can experiment.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:Wha? I've heard of this happening... was this a Japanese game or the international release? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry for the stupidly late reply, I don't visit here much (obviously). Anyway, the description I left above is still accurate. It has been traded between several players, gained over 30 levels in daycare, gone back and forth over Wi-fi, and been used in many battles since I originally left this message, yet it still knows the Primeape's moves. It has not effected or hampered my breeding at all, either. In fact, I bred that same Primeape with the Ditto to get a Mankey later on.
::I own the US version of Pokemon Diamond (purchased at my local Gamestop).
::The Primeape in question was caught with an Ultra Ball and caught on Route 225 (of course) if anyone wants to experiment with this. Basically, go into any battle with your Ditto, use transform, and then catch the Pokemon you transformed into while Ditto is still your active Pokemon. Then, check Ditto's moves to see if they have changed. If they haven't, try it a few more times and see if it works. Also, I am pretty sure my Ditto was holding Quick Powder at the time as well.
::Ditto right now knows whatever moves a level 52 Primeape knows, which off the top of my head are Cross Chop, Rage, Swagger, and Thrash. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Forgot to mention, I own no cheating devices nor do I have access to them. and my entire game is legitimately played. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== if a shiny ditto Transforms will it Transform in a shiny whatever==
if it don,t then saud be in the page [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:It did, but won't anymore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

cool, when did it solp[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Gen IV is the first game where it becomes, shiny or not, whatever it turned into. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

==Title==
The Transform Paradox: I changed the title because this example is not actually a paradox. A paradox is an extended contradiction, this is not. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:True, yes, however, a paradox is also an infinite time loop that self-contradicts. The contradiction here comes in the never-lowering PP of Transform for both Pokémon, remaining locked at 5. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
There is no contradiction in this at all. Both using Transform is nothing more than a deadlock. An infinite time loop the self-contradicts would be going back in time to kill your grandfather and succeeding. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:I have a question, does this only apply with two ditto, because mew can transform and can learn other moves. Because it seems to me that only Transform the move is copied, but I thought transform copies all the other Pokemon's moves, so wouldn't a match up between a mew and a ditto (as long as Mew has other moves) be an exception? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 09:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::It works if Mew Transforms into something with only Transform. Say you have a Mew with Transform and Psychic. Psychic has 10 PP. You're facing the exact same Mew. You use Transform. Both Transform and Psychic have 5 PP apiece. You can use all 5 Psychics you have now, then Transform and the PP will be at 5 again. It only locks you in if you have only Transform. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 11:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::: Right that's what I meant, the locking, not the transform reseting the PP. Okay good to know.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 20:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Regarding that...in my Crystal, my Ditto battled a wild Ditto. My Ditto constantly transformed, but the wild one kept having its Transform for no reason whatsoever. As a result, Struggle came about... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

==Shiny Ditto Glitch==
What the F...lareon happened to the glitch to get a shiny ditto in G/S using R/B, if no one knows what I'm talking about here's how (altough it's old and I think you all know):

1 Capture the shiny Gyarados in G/S and ransfer it to R/B
2 Teach Gyarados Mimic and erase all his other moves
3 Battle a wild Ditto with the Gyarados, mimic him and transform a few turns while it transforms
4 Capture the Ditto and transfer it to G/S it will be shiny

Notes: I'm not sure if it's a requirement but all of the times I used the Pokémon Stadium 2 (For both transfer and Doduo GB).

Sorry I don't have a video or anything but try it out, I didn't directly affect the article but I'll edit it if no one answers this in 10 days.
--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 06:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:The egg's a glitch, that's how breeding worked in Generation II. See [[Pokémon Breeding#Trivia|the last part of the trivia]]. You just got lucky because of you got a shiny Charmander. And I think the shiny Ditto trick is also mentioned somewhere. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The glitch has nothing to do with the Shiny Charmander I only wrote that to reference but since I confused you I'll delete it.--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 16:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ben 10 in Trivia ==

''An alien in the television series Ben 10 shares a name with Ditto. However, unlike the Pokémon, the alien Ditto can simply multiply, and gets its name when two of them say the exact same thing at the exact same time.'' Don't tell me this belongs in the article. Ben 10 has absolutely nothing to do with Ditto. I don't want to start a revert war, however. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:To be honest, it's not surprising that the name "Ditto" is used, since it's not Pokémon specific...'''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 11:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
== Ditto Breeding ==
Ok. all up and down this talk page (and on the Gender one) it says Ditto can't breed with Ditto. And yet, I'VE DONE IT! In both FR and Pearl (Don't ask me to remember GSC, cause I don't, and I didn't have 2 dits in Ruby or Sapph, and never owned LG, Emerald, or Diamond) Either whoever failed has a dfective game, or I do. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 19:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:Plz to be proving this with a YouTube video proving that no Action Replaying was involved. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

== One Move ==
Ditto isn't the only Pokemon that only learns one move, the same is true of Unown. {{unsigned|DrStubbsberg}}

Until Platinum, it was also true of Beldum. Smeargle also only learns one move, though it learns it up to 10 times. [[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 04:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Ditto can (or at least could) permanently learn other moves ==

I had to create an account just to point this out as I was very surprised not to already see it in the article. I remember doing this with my friends back with gold/silver (don't know if it works in further generations). Ditto can permanently learn ANY move. When I used my ditto on pokemon stadium, it listed his moves as red, indicating that ditto shouldn't have those moves and that it's an exploit, but I wouldn't think that would stop it from being noted. Here's how, in case you pokenuts don't already know (which you probably do):

Take a smeargle. Put it up against a pokemon with the move you want ditto to learn. Use sketch on the move so smeargle permanently learns it. Level smeargle enough so he learns sketch again. Make sure sketch is not in the first slot, because otherwise ditto will lose the ability to transform. (doens't stop the trick from working, just stops you from doing it again). Link up your cartidge with the smeargle on it (and in your party) to the cart with the ditto on it. This "records" the trainer's smeargle on the "ditto cart", so that the ditto can battle the smeargle. Make them battle. Have ditto use transform. When smeargle uses the move you want ditto to learn, use the copied sketch. Poof. Ditto permanently retains whatever move you want.

I had a ditto with horn drill, fissure, guillotine, and lock-on, which always came as a shock to opponents. (though not much of a challenge as he's so weak). Does this exploit belong in the article? Probably never going to post again, [[User:Farsight001|Farsight001]] 13:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's under glitches. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::The {{m|Sketch}} page states that it cannot be used when transformed, therefore this should not work. Does that statement there concern only Gen III and IV? If it does, it should be listed under Gen III and not directly under the Effect header. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 18:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Problem==
In the trivia section, on the point about Pokéthlon stats, you've written it's instead of its. {{unsigned|Mattiuscn}}
:Yeah. You can fix that in a month. Right now we're trying not to touch the pages too much. Makes it easier to fix things technologically later down the track. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== No Trainers use Ditto? ==

"This is likely why no Trainers have Ditto in the Generation IV games" - I can't verify this since I don't have any Gen IV games, but I recall a schoolboy on the Vermilion - Olivine leg of the S.S. Aqua journey in the original G/S/C who used a Ditto. I was wondering does this trainer still use Ditto or does he have a new party in HG/SS? --[[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 08:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:He still uses one. [[User:Saxton Hale|Saxton Hale]] 15:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Ditto (Pokémon)

2010-05-09T15:22:21Z

Saxton Hale: /* No Trainers use Ditto? */

I'm pretty sure Ditto's in the No Egg group. While it can breed with any Pokémon besides those in the No Egg group, it cannot breed with another Ditto, implying that it is, itself, in the No Egg group. -[[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]]

Ditto is in a special egg group called "DITTO" (you know how the game likes to use all-caps for Pokemon names). This group allows it to breed with anything other than a Pokemon in the "No EGGs" group or the "DITTO" group. This is what allows Ditto to breed with Pikachu or Staryu, but Suicune can't breed with other Pokemon. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

I thought you could breed two Ditto and get another Ditto. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 23:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nope. Stupidly. ~Ketz

Ditto is able to breed with other Pokémon ostensibly because of its ability to transform into other Pokémon. If it was paired with another Ditto, it wouldn't have anything to transform into, and since Ditto are genderless, would therefore have no reproductive organs.

Makes perfect sense to me that two purplish-pink blobs can't mate with each other. --17:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Ozzie

Does that mean that Ditto can breed with Lucario?[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 03:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:Anything but legendaries means anything but legendaries. Lucario isn't legendary. Therefore, ''of course''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

::Er Thanks...[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 08:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

didnt in in the II gen games if you put Ditto in the day care by itself turn into two dittos (most likely because it duplicated like a cell)--[[User:Kittenchild|Kittenchild]] 02:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

So I can't have a Lvl.1 Ditto? [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In the same note of discussion, how was the Steps to Hatch a Ditto Egg reached? Hack?
:The data's in there for all Pokémon just in case you ''somehow'' (usually hacking) manage to make an egg of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 07:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Hmmm..... ==

Ditto in the [[Anime]] could morph into any other pokemonn but keeps it size in some cases , but in the TCG it keeps its beaded eyes , that just makes wonder , can the [[Pokémon]] that ditto morphs to in the TCG be exceptions or special forms?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think so...D: Not sure... *is currently in Science-ICT class at school* [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 12:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

i think the info above should be mentioned in the trivia about the beaded eyes. to be honest nintendo shoud confirm this--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Though worthless to do, can't u breed 2 Dittos and get another Ditto?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

:No. You cannot breed a Ditto with a Ditto. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Really... interesting--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It's confusing, but it makes vague sense since Ditto has no gender. Remember, non-gendered Pokémon can't be bred, even with Ditto...it's "Unknown"-gendered Pokémon (Magnemite etc.) that can. Ditto has a unique egg type as well, we assume it breeds with everything except itself and None. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

While not made true in the games or implied in other sources: Considering its physical structure, does anyone else think that Ditto reproduces asexually? -- [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 18:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:It probably does, but since no official sources imply or otherwise indicate this, it doesn't belong in the article. It's pure speculation, and it's just as plausible that a fixed number of Ditto were created by Arceus at the beginning or time, and they lie dormant until bothered in the tall grasses. Or maybe Dittos are actually single cells from Mew's body that have grown much larger. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::That... actually makes perfect sense. It would explain why the both of them can use Transform while no other pokemon can...[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Learn every move ==

Can't ditto learn every move with its move transform?[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 00:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:But since it doesn't keep the move permanently, it doesn't go under the Learnset section. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 00:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok i was just wondering[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 14:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

== Color ==

Sould it be noted that, in all sprites exept Gen. 3 Ditto's color is purple, but in its Gen. 3 sprite it's pink ? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 15:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

no cos to me it looks pink all time and in Yellow it Yellowy-green.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Buggy Moves ==
In my Pokemon Diamond game, I was using Ditto to catch Pokemon. After using transform on and catching a Primape, combat ended with Ditto still looking like Primape (duh). After that I got into another wild battle and Ditto was Ditto again, but with Primape's moveset. I am making an assumption that you can potentially make Ditto a permanent clone move-wise this way, anyone want to experiment? [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 21:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

never happed to me and my ditto, if was a bug in your game then you are lucky.
and what do mean experiment? I can experiment.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:Wha? I've heard of this happening... was this a Japanese game or the international release? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry for the stupidly late reply, I don't visit here much (obviously). Anyway, the description I left above is still accurate. It has been traded between several players, gained over 30 levels in daycare, gone back and forth over Wi-fi, and been used in many battles since I originally left this message, yet it still knows the Primeape's moves. It has not effected or hampered my breeding at all, either. In fact, I bred that same Primeape with the Ditto to get a Mankey later on.
::I own the US version of Pokemon Diamond (purchased at my local Gamestop).
::The Primeape in question was caught with an Ultra Ball and caught on Route 225 (of course) if anyone wants to experiment with this. Basically, go into any battle with your Ditto, use transform, and then catch the Pokemon you transformed into while Ditto is still your active Pokemon. Then, check Ditto's moves to see if they have changed. If they haven't, try it a few more times and see if it works. Also, I am pretty sure my Ditto was holding Quick Powder at the time as well.
::Ditto right now knows whatever moves a level 52 Primeape knows, which off the top of my head are Cross Chop, Rage, Swagger, and Thrash. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Forgot to mention, I own no cheating devices nor do I have access to them. and my entire game is legitimately played. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== if a shiny ditto Transforms will it Transform in a shiny whatever==
if it don,t then saud be in the page [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:It did, but won't anymore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

cool, when did it solp[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Gen IV is the first game where it becomes, shiny or not, whatever it turned into. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

==Title==
The Transform Paradox: I changed the title because this example is not actually a paradox. A paradox is an extended contradiction, this is not. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:True, yes, however, a paradox is also an infinite time loop that self-contradicts. The contradiction here comes in the never-lowering PP of Transform for both Pokémon, remaining locked at 5. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
There is no contradiction in this at all. Both using Transform is nothing more than a deadlock. An infinite time loop the self-contradicts would be going back in time to kill your grandfather and succeeding. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:I have a question, does this only apply with two ditto, because mew can transform and can learn other moves. Because it seems to me that only Transform the move is copied, but I thought transform copies all the other Pokemon's moves, so wouldn't a match up between a mew and a ditto (as long as Mew has other moves) be an exception? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 09:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::It works if Mew Transforms into something with only Transform. Say you have a Mew with Transform and Psychic. Psychic has 10 PP. You're facing the exact same Mew. You use Transform. Both Transform and Psychic have 5 PP apiece. You can use all 5 Psychics you have now, then Transform and the PP will be at 5 again. It only locks you in if you have only Transform. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 11:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::: Right that's what I meant, the locking, not the transform reseting the PP. Okay good to know.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 20:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Regarding that...in my Crystal, my Ditto battled a wild Ditto. My Ditto constantly transformed, but the wild one kept having its Transform for no reason whatsoever. As a result, Struggle came about... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

==Shiny Ditto Glitch==
What the F...lareon happened to the glitch to get a shiny ditto in G/S using R/B, if no one knows what I'm talking about here's how (altough it's old and I think you all know):

1 Capture the shiny Gyarados in G/S and ransfer it to R/B
2 Teach Gyarados Mimic and erase all his other moves
3 Battle a wild Ditto with the Gyarados, mimic him and transform a few turns while it transforms
4 Capture the Ditto and transfer it to G/S it will be shiny

Notes: I'm not sure if it's a requirement but all of the times I used the Pokémon Stadium 2 (For both transfer and Doduo GB).

Sorry I don't have a video or anything but try it out, I didn't directly affect the article but I'll edit it if no one answers this in 10 days.
--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 06:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:The egg's a glitch, that's how breeding worked in Generation II. See [[Pokémon Breeding#Trivia|the last part of the trivia]]. You just got lucky because of you got a shiny Charmander. And I think the shiny Ditto trick is also mentioned somewhere. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The glitch has nothing to do with the Shiny Charmander I only wrote that to reference but since I confused you I'll delete it.--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 16:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ben 10 in Trivia ==

''An alien in the television series Ben 10 shares a name with Ditto. However, unlike the Pokémon, the alien Ditto can simply multiply, and gets its name when two of them say the exact same thing at the exact same time.'' Don't tell me this belongs in the article. Ben 10 has absolutely nothing to do with Ditto. I don't want to start a revert war, however. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:To be honest, it's not surprising that the name "Ditto" is used, since it's not Pokémon specific...'''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 11:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
== Ditto Breeding ==
Ok. all up and down this talk page (and on the Gender one) it says Ditto can't breed with Ditto. And yet, I'VE DONE IT! In both FR and Pearl (Don't ask me to remember GSC, cause I don't, and I didn't have 2 dits in Ruby or Sapph, and never owned LG, Emerald, or Diamond) Either whoever failed has a dfective game, or I do. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 19:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:Plz to be proving this with a YouTube video proving that no Action Replaying was involved. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

== One Move ==
Ditto isn't the only Pokemon that only learns one move, the same is true of Unown. {{unsigned|DrStubbsberg}}

Until Platinum, it was also true of Beldum. Smeargle also only learns one move, though it learns it up to 10 times. [[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 04:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Ditto can (or at least could) permanently learn other moves ==

I had to create an account just to point this out as I was very surprised not to already see it in the article. I remember doing this with my friends back with gold/silver (don't know if it works in further generations). Ditto can permanently learn ANY move. When I used my ditto on pokemon stadium, it listed his moves as red, indicating that ditto shouldn't have those moves and that it's an exploit, but I wouldn't think that would stop it from being noted. Here's how, in case you pokenuts don't already know (which you probably do):

Take a smeargle. Put it up against a pokemon with the move you want ditto to learn. Use sketch on the move so smeargle permanently learns it. Level smeargle enough so he learns sketch again. Make sure sketch is not in the first slot, because otherwise ditto will lose the ability to transform. (doens't stop the trick from working, just stops you from doing it again). Link up your cartidge with the smeargle on it (and in your party) to the cart with the ditto on it. This "records" the trainer's smeargle on the "ditto cart", so that the ditto can battle the smeargle. Make them battle. Have ditto use transform. When smeargle uses the move you want ditto to learn, use the copied sketch. Poof. Ditto permanently retains whatever move you want.

I had a ditto with horn drill, fissure, guillotine, and lock-on, which always came as a shock to opponents. (though not much of a challenge as he's so weak). Does this exploit belong in the article? Probably never going to post again, [[User:Farsight001|Farsight001]] 13:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's under glitches. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::The {{m|Sketch}} page states that it cannot be used when transformed, therefore this should not work. Does that statement there concern only Gen III and IV? If it does, it should be listed under Gen III and not directly under the Effect header. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 18:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Problem==
In the trivia section, on the point about Pokéthlon stats, you've written it's instead of its. {{unsigned|Mattiuscn}}
:Yeah. You can fix that in a month. Right now we're trying not to touch the pages too much. Makes it easier to fix things technologically later down the track. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== No Trainers use Ditto? ==

"This is likely why no Trainers have Ditto in the Generation IV games" - I can't verify this since I don't have any Gen IV games, but I recall a schoolboy on the Vermilion - Olivine leg of the S.S. Aqua journey in the original G/S/C who used a Ditto. I was wondering does this trainer still use Ditto or does he have a new party in HG/SS? --[[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 08:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
He still uses one. [[User:Saxton Hale|Saxton Hale]] 15:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Brock (anime)

2010-05-09T01:13:12Z

Saxton Hale:

{{CharInfobox|
|color={{rock color}}
|corecolor={{rock color light}}
|bordercolor={{rock color dark}}
|name=Brock
|jname=タケシ
|tmname=Takeshi
|image=TakeshiDP.png
|size=150px
|caption=Art from the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}.
|age=yes
|years=15 (as of [[EP005|debut]])
|gender=Male
|colors=yes
|eyes=Black
|hair=Brown
|hometown=[[Pewter City]]
|region=[[Kanto]]
|relatives={{ka|Flint}} (father), [[Lola]] (mother), [[Forrest]] (brother), {{Brocksib|8 other siblings}}
|trainer=yes
|trainerclass=[[Gym Leader]], {{pkmn|Breeder}}|
|game=counterpart
|counterpart=[[Brock]]
|leader=yes
|gym=Pewter Gym
|specialist=yes
|type={{type2|Rock}}s
|badge=Boulder Badge
|anime=yes
|epnum=EP005
|epname=Showdown in Pewter City
|enva=[[Eric Stuart]] ([[4Kids Entertainment|4Kids]]) [[Bill Rogers]] ([[The Pokémon Company International|TPCi]])
|java=[[Yūji Ueda]]
}}

'''Brock''' (Japanese: '''タケシ''' ''Takeshi'') is a close {{ashfr|friend}} and traveling partner of [[Ash Ketchum]].

==About==
[[Image:Brock OS.png|thumb|left|Brock in the original series]]
In the {{pkmn|anime}}, Brock is a [[Pokémon Breeder]] who is a {{ashfr|close friend}} and traveling companion of {{Ash}}'s. Some notes on official sketches of his character set his age at 15 at the start of the series.

He originally trained {{type2|Rock}} [[Pokémon]], but has, since [[EP006|the second episode he appeared in]], diversified. As he has stated in ''[[DP125|Battling A Cute Drama!]]'', his philosophy is that the important thing about being a Pokémon Trainer is the bond between Trainer and Pokémon. He is an experienced cook and caretaker by nature, so he always makes scrumptious food both [[Pokémon food|for Pokémon]] and for humans.
[[File:Brock and Nurse Joy.png|thumb|right|Brock flirting with Nurse Joy]]
One of his best known character traits is that he falls in love with every pretty woman he meets, particularly [[Officer Jenny]] and [[Nurse Joy]]. He can tell whether they are real (women) or [[Team Rocket|impo]][[Brodie|stors]] as well. This "ability" has been used multiple times in the series. He has always held a supporting role in the series, usually contributing more in terms of wisdom and comedic antics than the action and {{pkmn|battle}}s of the series.

Early on, he showed that he carries around a {{badge|Boulder}} for identification. He also has a [[Contest Pass]] for the [[Kanto]] region, though he only used it once, as well as one for [[Hoenn]] which was required to watch a contest there.

Brock has had two notable musical appearances. One is the Japanese ending theme タケシのパラダイス ''[[Takeshi's Paradise]]'', which is about his love for women and his determination to find love despite often appearing foolish and getting heartbroken. There is a running joke about him singing this song often in the anime, since it's the only song he knows. The other is the [[Pokémon Karaokémon]] song ''[[Two Perfect Girls]]'', which is about his love of both Officer Jenny and Nurse Joy.

==Appearance==
[[Image:TakeshiAG.png|thumb|right|Brock in the ''Advanced Generation'' series]]
Brock's most notable feature about his appearance is that his eyes naturally appear closed. The rare times people see them open are when they are forced open unnaturally: from a hit with {{AP|Charmander's|Charizard}} {{m|Flamethrower}} in ''[[EP032|The Ninja Poké-Showdown]]'', when being hit in the back of the head by {{TP|Jessie|Arbok}}'s tail in ''[[EP050|Who Gets to Keep Togepi?]]'', and when he makes a face for {{AP|Larvitar}} in ''[[EP260|A Crowning Achievement]]''. This has been the center of fan attention for a long time.

He also has tan skin, notably darker than the skin of any other major character in the series.

Brock is the tallest of {{ashfr|main characters}}, and the closest to looking like an adult. Next to actual adult characters, however, it is clear that he is still a teenager.

Not counting temporary outfits, he has worn {{DL|List of clothing in the anime|Brock|three different outfits}} over the span of the anime, all of which have had the colors orange, green, and brown, with blue shoes. His outfits in the games are also made up of the colors orange, green, and brown.

==Character==
[[Image:Brock's eyes.png|thumb|left|180px|Brock with his eyes open in [[EP260]]]]
Brock is considered the most mature, wise and level-headed of the main characters, and he is arguably the most intelligent character as well. He often acts as an older brother and caretaker to the other characters and a voice of reason in disputes. He will usually place others before him and will help and support his friends even against his better judgment or at his own expense. While he is not shown to battle often, he can understand the situations and strategies in any [[Pokémon battle]], and often explains them to the other characters, probably due to the fact that he was once a [[Gym Leader]]. His wisdom is possibly derived from how observant he is; he can tell just by sight how a Pokémon is feeling and spot the differences between the various [[Officer Jenny]] and [[Nurse Joy]].

Brock always carries books and maps with him, and thus is usually the character who knows where the group is headed and what they can do when they get there, though in [[Advanced Generation series|Advanced Generation]] this role was mostly taken over by the [[PokéNav]]. He also carries a lot of other supplies, such as [[potion]]s, [[Pokémon food]], and a set of cookware, as well as practical tools like a brush and pocket knife; in ''[[EP009|The School of Hard Knocks]]'', the extent of his preparedness and comically large capacity of his [[bag]] was demonstrated, as he pulled out a table and full tea set out of his backpack. He is a domestic, and grooms not only his Pokémon but also those of his friends with whom he travels. He handles all the cooking and cleaning for his friends.

Despite this, all his maturity and rationality leaves him completely at the sight of a beautiful woman, as he falls in love with every pretty girl he meets. Brock has a desperate need for female companionship which grows worse as he fails to gain it. He will do anything and everything he thinks will impress women, which inevitably ends with his heart being broken every time. A few women have shown interest in him as well, such as [[Wilhelmina]], [[Temacu]], {{FB|Pike Queen|Lucy}} and [[Holly]], but most do not notice him or are not interested. No matter how many times he is disappointed, though, Brock remains determined to find a girl to start a relationship with, and has indicated several times he would stop traveling with Ash and stay with the girl if this happened. This behavior tends to wear on the nerves of other characters, and [[Misty]] and [[Max]] have both commonly dragged Brock away from women by his ear. Some of Brock's own Pokémon, most notably {{TP|Brock|Croagunk}}, have attacked him for getting too flirtatious with women.

His goals have played a passive role in his character's activity and development. Unlike other characters, who aspire to achieve and excel in competitive fields like [[Pokémon training]] and [[Pokémon Contest]]s, his aim to become a great Pokémon Breeder is a quiet one and thus does not get showcased frequently. His other goal, to find a girlfriend, is similar to [[Team Rocket]]'s quest to capture {{AP|Pikachu}} in that both are for comedy and thus doomed to fail. His role has always been purely one as support for other main characters.

===History===
Not much is known about his early childhood, except that his first Pokémon was his {{TP|Brock|Onix|Steelix}}, which he received as a gift at the age of 10. Sometime after, his father, {{ka|Flint}}, left home to become a great {{pkmn|Trainer}}. When he never returned, his mother, [[Lola]], left them as well, leaving Brock to take care of {{Brocksib|his siblings}}, as well as their house and [[Pewter Gym]], by himself (though the English version of ''[[EP005|Showdown in Pewter City]]'' has Flint claim she died, and some speculate he was lying). However, Flint eventually returned home considering himself a failure, and instead of returning to his family he donned a disguise and sold rocks as souvenirs at the edge of town. After Brock awarded Ash the Boulder Badge, Flint came forward and confessed who he was. Flint took on the responsibilities of the Pewter Gym and his family, leaving Brock free to journey with Ash and [[Misty]].

Brock only became the Gym Leader because he felt it was his responsibility, and he admitted to Ash that he would rather care for Pokémon than battle them. It is his dream to become a great breeder, and when Flint took back control of the Gym, Brock was allowed to start following this dream. Most notably, he took care of a {{TP|Brock|Vulpix}} that belonged to a breeder named [[Suzy]]. Shortly before Vulpix was returned, Brock used it in a [[Pokémon Beauty Contest]].

Brock was also able to meet and make advances towards the many beautiful women he met. At first, he was more casual about approaching women, such as the [[Officer Jenny]] in [[Cerulean City]], and more modest as well, such as when he met [[Melanie]]. However, he became more open and passionate towards almost all single young women as time progressed.

Brock briefly left the show during the [[Pokémon: The Adventures in the Orange Islands|Orange Islands saga]] to work for [[Professor Ivy]] on [[Valencia Island]] and so is only seen in a couple of cameos in the [[M02|second movie]]. While there, something happened that will probably remain secret as Brock will only huddle and say "that name" whenever he is asked about it. (Brock does mention his work for her in ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'', though this line was added in the dub.) After this incident, Brock returned to Kanto where he was found by [[Delia Ketchum]], who helped him to regain his strength. Brock then became a rival to [[Mimey]] until he rejoined Ash and Misty as the three traveled to [[Johto]]. They stayed together for the entire region, but at the end of this journey, the three went their separate ways, with Brock's help requested at home by his father.

Upon his return home, Brock was dismayed to find that his mother had returned and commandeered the gym, turning the Rock-type haven into a brightly decorated {{type2|Water}} den. Brock battled her for the honor of Rock-types and won, promising his brother [[Forrest]] that he would become Gym Leader someday.

After that, Brock returned to follow Ash through [[Hoenn]], along with their new friends {{an|May}} and [[Max]], and then through Kanto again as Ash took on the Kanto {{Gdis|Battle Frontier|III}}. He left briefly when the Advanced Generation series ended in order to visit his home, but quickly returned and is now traveling with Ash and {{an|Dawn}} in [[Sinnoh]].

Brock is among the longest-lived main characters in the anime, only being absent from the Orange Islands season and thus ranked under only the permanent characters of {{Ash}}, {{AP|Pikachu}}, [[Jessie]], [[James]], and {{MTR}}.

===Pokémon===
As gym tradition dictated, Brock's first Pokémon were Rock-types. However, once he was able to leave his gym to travel, he has dedicated himself to learn about how to care for a variety of Pokémon. Thus, his Pokémon tend to be an eclectic mix of types and dispositions. However, all of his Pokémon tend to have strong bonds with Brock and are on par with {{Ash}}'s Pokémon in terms of battling strength, despite the fact that Brock does not go out of his way to train his Pokémon.

This listing is of Brock's Pokémon as of the most recent Japanese episode.
====On hand====
{| align="center" width="100%"
|-
| {{ActivePoké|Brock|Sudowoodo|Brock Sudowoodo.png|rock|fir=Bonsly}}
| {{ActivePoké|Brock|Croagunk|Brock Croagunk.png|poison|fighting}} ♂
| {{ActivePoké|Brock|Happiny|Brock Happiny.png|normal|fir=Egg}} ♀
|}

====At Pewter Gym / Home====
{| align="center" width="100%"
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Brock|Steelix|Brock's Steelix.png|steel|ground|fir=Onix}}
| {{InactivePoké|Brock|Geodude|Geodude_s_storm.png|rock|ground}}
| {{InactivePoké|Brock|Crobat|Brock Crobat.png|poison|flying|fir=Zubat|mid=Golbat}}
| {{InactivePoké|Brock|Forretress|Brock'sForretress.jpg|bug|steel|fir=Pineco}}
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Brock|Marshtomp|Brocks_Marshtomp.png|water|ground|fir=Mudkip}}
| {{InactivePoké|Brock|Ludicolo|Brock Ludicolo.png|water|grass|fir=Lotad|mid=Lombre}}
|
|
|}

====Returned====
{| align="center" width="100%"
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Brock|Vulpix|Brock Vulpix.png|fire}}
|
|
|
|}

====Caught for someone else====
{| align="center" width="100%"
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Ash|Tauros|Ash's Tauros.jpg|normal}}
|
|
|
|}

* '''Tauros''': In [[EP035]], Brock caught a {{p|Tauros}} in the [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]]. However, as this was one of Ash's [[Poké Ball#Generation I Poké Balls|Safari Balls]], the Tauros in question is actually one of [[Ash's Tauros]].

====Temporary====
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:038.png]] {{p|Ninetales}}
| align=center | [[Image:081.png]] {{p|Magnemite}}
| align=center | [[Image:095.png]] {{p|Onix}}
| align=center | [[Image:160.png]] {{p|Feraligatr}}
|}

* '''Ninetales''': Commanded during a battle with [[Team Rocket]] in ''[[EP232|Just Waiting on a Friend]]''.
* '''Magnemite''': Trained during ''[[DP088|Camping It Up!]]''
* '''Onix''' and '''Feraligatr''': Used in the triathlon in ''[[DP091|One Team, Two Team, Red Team, Blue Team!]]''.

===Achievements===
*[[Pokémon Beauty Contest]] - Winner (Along with [[Suzy]])
*[[Pokémon Orienteering]] - Runner-up
*[[Pokémon Cosplay|Pokémon Cosplay Contest]] - Winner
*[[Pokémon Contest]]s:
**[[Gardenia Town]] Contest - 2nd Place
*[[Pastoria City]]'s {{p|Croagunk}} Festival - Runner-up

===Voice actors===
{{vatable|color={{rock color}}|bordercolor={{rock color light}}
|ja=うえだゆうじ [[Yūji Ueda]]
|en=[[Eric Stuart]] ([[4Kids Entertainment|4Kids]] dub) [[Bill Rogers]] ({{PUSA}} dub)
|hr=Igor Mešin
|cs=Martin Písařík ([[EP005]]-[[EP209]], movies 1, 2 and 3) Jan Maxián ([[DP002]]-present) Jiří Balcárek (movie 4)
|nl=Fred Meijer
|fr_ca=Martin Watier
|fr_eu=Laurent Chauvet ([[EP005]]-[[AG145]]) Antoni Lo Presti ([[AG146]]-Present)
|de=Marc Stachel
|he=גיא רושיניאק Guy Roshiniak
|it=Nicola Bartolini Carrassi (season 1-2) Luca Bottale (season 3-present)
|ko=구자형 Ku Ja-Hyeong 변영희 Byeon Yeong-Hyi
|no=Eirik Espolin Johnson Erik Skøld
|pl=Marek Włodarczyk ([[EP005]]-[[AG040]], [[DP053]]-present, all movies) Waldemar Barwiński ([[DP002]]-[[DP052]])
|pt_br=Alfredo Rollo
|pt_eu=Peter Michael ([[EP005]]-[[EP083]], movies [[M01|1]] and [[M02|2]]) Rui Quintas ([[EP115]]-[[AG192]], [[Pokémon Live]]) Luís Barros ([[DP002]]-present) Vítor Emanuel (movies [[M03|3]] and [[M04|4]])
|es_eu=Javier Balas Sergio Sánchez (movie [[M03|3]] and [[Mewtwo Returns]])
|es_la=Gabriel Gama ([[EP005]]-[[DP009]], [[DP011]]-[[DP020]]) José Antonio Macías (one scene of [[EP164]]) Alan Prieto ([[DP010]], [[DP021]]-present) Arturo Mercado Jr. (movies [[M04|4]] and [[M05|5]])
|sv=Mattias Knave
|ar=رأفت بازو Rafat Pazo
|fil=Julius Figueroa
|tr=Tugay Erverdi}}

==Trivia==
* Most official sources do not give Brock a last name. However, several sources suggest that in the anime, his last name is Harrison. In the July 2006 issue of [[K-Zone]] Magazine, [[Eric Stuart]] was interviewed and stated that Brock's last name is '''Harrison'''.
* Brock's house is located directly behind the Pewter Gym. His room is only seen briefly in ''[[AG034|Having a Wailord of a Time]]'', but what is seen of it shows that it is decorated in a traditional Japanese style, including {{wp|fusuma}}, a {{wp|tansu}} chest, and a {{wp|futon}} for a bed.
* Brock owns two {{type2|Poison}} Pokémon, {{TP|Brock|Crobat}} and {{TP|Brock|Croagunk}}, whose names both start with ''Cro-''.
* Brock is currently the only main character of the anime with {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon, owning two, {{TP|Brock|Steelix}} and {{TP|Brock|Forretress}}.
* Brock is the fourth main character to own a Pokémon hatched from an egg. The first was [[Misty]] with {{TP|Misty|Togepi}} and later {{TP|Misty|Azurill}}, the second was {{Ash}} with {{TP|Ash|Phanpy}}, and the third was {{an|May}} with {{TP|May|Eevee}}.
* Brock is one of three of Ash's friends who has had their father make an appearance in the anime. The others are {{an|May}} and [[Max]], who are brother and sister. Coincidentally, both fathers are Gym Leaders.
* Brock captured a new Pokémon sooner after his debut than any other main character, even Ash, by capturing [[Brock's Crobat|Zubat]] in [[EP006]].
* Brock's ''Advanced Generation'' and ''Diamond & Pearl'' stock art use the same pose, changing only his outfit.
* Brock has been shown to be able to identify when women are really cross dressing men in disguise by having a peculiar lack of attraction to them. He's also able to do the opposite. A significant exception to this is Ash, who in the guise of [[Ashley]] was able to slip through Brock's radar, though this may be attributed to the fact Ash is younger than most of the girls Brock generally seeks out so he might have not paid much attention.
* Brock has owned four Pokémon [[List of Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions|whose evolutions debuted in a different generation]] than that Pokémon. ({{TP|Brock|Golbat|Crobat}}, {{TP|Brock|Onix|Steelix}}, {{TP|Brock|Bonsly|Sudowoodo}}, and {{TP|Brock|Happiny}}). Of the four, three of them have evolved so far.
*When the {{series|Advanced Generation}} started, Brock brought only his {{TP|Brock|Forretress}} with him. Forretress is not in the [[List of Pokémon by Hoenn Pokédex number|Hoenn Pokédex]].
* Despite starting out as a Rock-type Gym Leader, of all the Pokémon Brock currently owns, only one is pure Rock-type, {{TP|Brock|Sudowoodo}}. Currently, it is [[party|with him]].
* Brock is the only one out of all of Ash's friends to have owned at least one Pokémon from each of the four generations.
* Brock is the only one of [[Ash's friends]] to appear in every movie. His appearance in ''[[M02|The Power of One]]'' was merely a cameo though.

===Interview with Hidaka about Brock's short absence from the anime===
There had been some debate between members of the fanbase in regards to why Brock was removed from the main cast during the Orange Islands arc, why [[Tracey Sketchit]] was created, and why Brock returned later. In a [http://www.pokebeach.com/news/0708/second-pokemon-interview-with-masamitsu-hidaka-many-interesting-points interview] with former Pokémon anime director and storyboard artist [[Masamitsu Hidaka]], he stated his own reason why Brock was removed from the cast and why he eventually returned. He (or, rather his translator) revealed that the true reason they replaced Brock is because, once they realized Pokémon was going global, there was a chance that Americans, if not anyone else outside of Japan, would view Brock as a racist stereotype because of his eyes (even though there wasn't an actual complaint yet). So they created a "tall, anglo-saxon looking person to be on the safe side". They later replaced Tracey with Brock again once they realized that no one really cared as to what Brock looks like, and actually enjoyed his character.

However, this was only stated by Hidaka and not by any other staff member.

===Names===
{|{{bluetable|background: white}}
|-style="background: #ccf;"
!Language
!Name
!Reference to
|-
|Japanese
|タケシ ''Takeshi''
|From ''take'', {{wp|bamboo}}. Possibly from 岳 ''take'' ("mountain peak").
|-
|English, Italian, Spanish
|Brock
|Rhymes with ''rock''.
|-
|French
|Pierre
|Literally means "stone".
|-
|German
|Rocko
|From English ''rock''.
|-
|Korean
|웅 ''Ung''
|'웅' means 'man-like', brave. A common word used for boy's names in Korea
|-
|Chinese
|小剛 ''Xiǎo Gàng''
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Level

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Saxton Hale: fixed redlink

'''Levels''' are a measurement of how strong a [[Pokémon]] currently is. They are portrayed differently in the {{pkmn|anime}}, {{pkmn|games}}, and {{pkmn|manga}}.

==In the games==
[[File:Level.PNG|thumb|right|The opponent's level bar in {{v2|Platinum}}]]
Levels are featured predominantly in the Pokémon games. They are determined by how much [[experience]] that Pokémon has. A Pokémon's level will range from 1 to 100. When a Pokémon gains a level, its stats increase by a small amount. It may also learn a new [[move]] or [[evolution|evolve]]. Opponent's levels may be viewed in-battle, and {{player}}s may see their own Pokémon's levels in-battle, in the [[PC]] or by using the [[menu]].

A Pokémon's level will also affect its [[happiness]], raising it slightly when the Pokémon levels up. This means that a {{p|Cleffa}} trained in battle will eventually evolve into a {{p|Clefairy}}, with its happiness going up slightly each level. Using Rare Candies will also raise happiness, though for a long time people thought it did not, due to a Pokémon's happiness also being raised by the large amount of walking that a player must do in long grass to encounter wild Pokémon or recharge such items as the [[Vs. Seeker]].

In [[Generation]]s {{gen|III}} and {{gen|IV}}, when a Pokémon has reached level 100, and has not gained maximum EV's, it cannot continue gaining [[Effort values|Effort Points]] through battle. [[Vitamin]]s can still be used to raise EV's. In Generations {{gen|I}} and {{gen|II}}, the player can use the [[box trick]].

By exploiting the [[Missingno.]] glitch in Generation I or using other cheats, a [[Pokémon]] can temporarily acquire a level higher than 100. However, whenever this [[Pokémon]] gains any amount of [[experience]], its level will revert to 100.

In Generations I and II, Pokémon assigned to the [[Experience#Experience to level|"Medium Slow" experience formula]] (1,059,860 Exp. at level 100) were unavailable at a level below 2 due to the "Medium Slow" formula generating a negative Exp. value at level 1; this resulted in such a level 1 Pokémon jumping straight to level 100. Pokémon eggs, therefore, hatched at a standard level of 5. The Generation III overhaul addressed this error; however, eggs still hatched at level 5, likely to maintain continuity. Generation IV finally set all hatched eggs to level 1.

===Underleveled Pokémon===
Through some unique circumstances, it is possible to have Pokémon at a lower level than they are usually available. Underleveled Pokémon appeared as early as {{v2|Red and Green}}, with level 4-6 {{p|Kakuna}} and {{p|Metapod}} available in [[Viridian Forest]]. Kakuna and Metapod cannot be obtained by evolution until level 7.

In {{v2|Red}} and {{v2|Blue}}, it is possible to obtain an {{p|Electrode}} as low as level 2. To do this, one must catch a {{p|Pikachu}} in Viridian Forest at level 2, evolve it with the Thunderstone, and trade it on [[Cinnabar Island]]. Underleveled Pokémon also appeared in {{game|Yellow}}, with level 9 {{p|Pidgeotto}} available in [[Viridian Forest]]. Pidgeotto cannot be obtained by evolution until level 18; this event is meant to syndicate with the {{pkmn|anime}}.

The following generations have all contained areas where some Pokémon may be found underleveled:
* In [[Generation II]], by using the [[Super Rod]] in the lake at the south end of {{rt|45}}, {{p|Dragonair}} can be encountered at level 10.
* In [[Generation III]], {{p|Cascoon}} and {{p|Silcoon}} appear at level 5 in [[Petalburg Woods]]. Also, in FireRed/LeafGreen, level 20 {{p|Poliwhirl}} can be captured, and traded for an underleved {{p|Jynx}}, allowing it to learn {{m|Lovely Kiss}} without a {{DL|Exchangable item|Heart Scale}}.
* {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}'s [[Poké Radar]] and [[dual-slot mode]] let players find rare Pokémon from outside of the [[List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Pokédex number|Sinnoh Pokédex]], some of which are underleveled alongside their pre-evolutionary forms. In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, a level 6 Furret can be found on Route 1, and the {{DL|Pokémon Music Channel|Hoenn Sound}} can produce level 4 {{p|Linoone}}.

Some [[non-player character]] {{pkmn|Trainers}} use underleveled Pokémon in battle. [[Lance]] has three underleveled {{p|Dragonite}} in the [[Generation II]] games; [[Mars]] has a {{p|Purugly}} at level 16 in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. Many other in-game Trainers also possess underleveled Pokémon; this is primarily done to fill the player's Pokédex at a faster rate.

In {{game|Emerald}}, the [[Pomeg glitch]] allowed players to obtain any stage of a Pokémon capable of being hatched from an egg at level 5, such as a {{p|Tyranitar}}.

===Disobedience===
When a Pokémon is obtained in a trade, it oftentimes will not obey the player's commands if it is at too high a level. The Pokémon will either ignore orders and use a different move, do nothing at all and loaf around, or go to sleep. This can be corrected if the player has the proper [[Badge|badges]]. Having less than two badges means that no traded Pokémon whose level is above 10 will obey the player, while having all eight makes all Pokémon obey the player. The specific badges that cause a rise in the level of obeying Pokémon can be found on their page, though they are typically the second, fourth, sixth, and eighth badges obtained.

==In the anime==
The concept of levels of Pokémon is not as detailed, nor as frequently mentioned, in the {{pkmn|anime}}. The first time levels were referred to was by students at the [[Pokémon Tech|Academy]] in ''[[EP009|The School of Hard Knocks]]''. {{ka|Joe|One of them}} was able to quote the levels at which {{p|Pidgey}} and the rest of its family [[evolution|evolve]] and learn certain [[move]]s. The main characters and their Pokémon, however, remain seemingly oblivious to the idea.

[[Misty]] mentions them in ''[[EP051|Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden]]'' where she says "That {{p|Rhyhorn}} must be at a ''high level''!" referring to a trainer's Rhyhorn's formidable strength as it uses [[Take Down]] on [[Ash Ketchum|Ash]]'s [[Ash's Bulbasaur|Bulbasaur]], severely injuring it. This confirms that she is aware of levels and that the ability to inflict damage on certain Pokémon becomes easier when a Pokémon grows a level.

[[Drake (Orange League)|Drake]] comments that [[Ash's Charizard]] is on a higher level than he thought.

[[Brock]] mentions them once, in [[EP201|''Doing What Comes Natu-rally!'']]. He states that moves become more powerful as a Pokémon's level is raised; and {{Ash}} adds that the best way to raise levels is by battling. Despite this, Ash's most used Pokémon, {{AP|Pikachu}}, doesn't show signs of being at a higher level than any other Pokémon. After appearing in more than 600 episodes, and battling in most of them, its level would be expected to be very high: but it is still defeated easily by some other Trainers' Pokémon, even those with only average strength.

[[Dawn's Piplup]] also shows that the anime doesn't strictly follow the games' system. In its debut episode, it used {{m|Bide}}, a move Piplup normally doesn't learn until level 18, by which point it would be showing signs of evolution. This did not happen until ''[[DP122|Stopped in the Name of Love!]]''. Therefore, level up moves can generally be learned at any time in the anime.

In the [[SS019|two Mystery]] [[SS020|Dungeon specials]], levels are mentioned, but not explained. This may mean that Pokémon themselves understand the concept of levels in the anime but humans do not.


==Trivia==
*Before [[Generation IV]], it was impossible to get a Pokémon at level 1 without the aid of a glitch or cheating device. The lowest level Pokémon would be at level 2 in the wild, and eggs would hatch at Lv. 5. In Generation IV however, eggs are hatched at level 1, {{p|Regigigas}} and {{p|Magikarp}} can be caught at level 1 in {{game|Platinum}}, and {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, or {{p|Giratina}} can be obtained at level 1 in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.
*In [[Generation I]], it was possible to encounter and capture Pokémon at levels over 100 through means of [[Old man glitch|a glitch]].

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