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2011-08-15T02:05:01Z

Sawamular101: /* Why isn't there Japanese staff?　Is the Japanese discriminated with bulbapedia? */

i whould like to contest as a german support for the other users, i am one of the admins from pokewiki. (i dont need more rights for this job) --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 09:20, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

==Poli==
Isn't Poli's probation over? He's still listed as such. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:49, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Is this list current? ==

Just curious as to how current this list is, or when the last time it was updated was, or if it even needs to be updated. Not that I am staff or anything, just curious as to who our current staff are. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|JediKnight]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|DTV]] 01:10, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:It's up-to-date for permanent staff. It doesn't include anyone who was temporarily promoted to Junior Admin for the Black and White release, who I'm told will have those powers until things finish settling down again. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:19, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== Why isn't there Japanese staff?　Is the Japanese discriminated with bulbapedia? ==

In the Pokemon, the culture of Japan is often an base. I think that it is appropriate that the staff has the Japanese. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:The way we pick are staff has nothing to do with what race they are. We do not discriminate here. It's about how much work they put in to their contributions here. If a users shows the dedication and the effort, then we promote them. We can't just promote someone just because the are Japanese. They have to put in the work like everyone else does. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 11:27, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::Bulbapedia published the article that held the Japanese in derision on April 1. Bulbapedia laughed at the Japanese when the Japanese was crying. It was likely to have stopped it if there was a Japanese staff. There is no consideration to the Japanese. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:35, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I'm sure it was more like a tribute for the original Japanese version. Were the Japanese fans really offended?--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 11:39, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::::I looked like the article that held the Japanese in derision. Because the staff of Bulbapedia is noble, I might be wrong. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:00, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::It is to say that the Japanese staff members run the [http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E3%83%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%83%9A%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8 Japanese wiki]. But what I'm mostly confused about is....what April 1 article are you referring to? April 1, 2011 contained 2 articles, [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Battle_%26_Get!_Pok%C3%A9mon_Typing_DS!_websites_open Pokemon Typing DS] and [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/New_deck_boxes_and_sleeves_revealed_for_April new TCG deck boxes]. And I don't see any discrimination there. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:39, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::He's meaning that [[Fushigipedia]] stuff.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 18:06, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::サワムラーさん、詳しく説明してくれませんか？日本語でお願いします。 [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:14, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::もしかして「ゆうれいポケモンとなつまつり」のあの記事ですか？ジョークなんだけど… [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:31, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::: ジョーク？あの時期に、日本をネタにした笑いは適切ですか？あと、ポケモンショックの記事もあったよね。私知ってるよ、ポケモンショックをネタにして日本人を馬鹿にする人がいるってこと。当時ね、怒りよりも脱力感が凄くて、抗議する気持ちにもならかったです。今思えば、暴れておけばよかった"かも"と考えることもあるんだよね。一回くらいアクセス禁止になってもよかったかなと。たぶん、梅子さんが謝ってくれるんだよね？「配慮が足らなかった」と。でも、謝らなくていいから、bulbapediaは結局そういうことなんでしょ。変な日本人の相手してご苦労様です。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]]
::::::::誤解です。そのジョークのネタは1998年ごろのアメリカ人のファンの偉そうな態度なんです。あの頃「俺日本語わかります！（※嘘）日本文化も完璧にわかります！（※大嘘）俺の意見に反対ならお前らバカだぞ！」という感じなナルシスト的なファン数人いましたので、そんなネタなんです。確かに日本人にほとんど伝わりませんけど・・・；；でも本当に英語圏のファンによって、「あるある、そんなこと覚えてるｗｗヤベェｗｗｗ」という自嘲なんです。それだけです；；怒らせたら本当にすみませんでした。 [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:04, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::: ポケモンショックの記事はなんなの？日本人の子供が病院に運ばれたことはジョークで、面白いネタなんでしょ？[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:08, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::そんな記事がありません・・・というより見つかれませんです。できたら、リンクを・・・？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::::::今現在のBulbapediaのトップページの、Message from the Editorの下辺りに、文字(ポケモンショックがどうたらかんたら)と外部リンク(ポケモンショックを扱う英語のサイト)が貼って合ったよ。梅子さん4月1日にbulbapedia見ました？夏祭りより、こっちの方が衝撃的だったんだけど。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:20, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::よく意味わからないけど・・・もしかして[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=1401164 ここ]の"for reasons you may have read about in the news"の部分ですか？それはジョークじゃなかったんです・・・今年のエイプリルフールは、全サイトが「今1998年4月1日！」ふりだったのでその部分は「アニメは現在放送中止、原因はこの事件」という意味。あの事件を笑い事にさせるつもり絶対ありませんでした；； [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:40, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::: はい、私が言っていたのはその記事のことです。ジョークと事実の混在ですか。注意書きが無いから、人によって受け取り方は様々になるでしょうね。グレーゾーン狙い逃げ口上を用意して、くすくす笑いを演出してるように見えなくもないね。梅子さんとギャーギャー言い合うつもりまったくないから、表面上は梅子さんの主張を全面支持することにします。そして私は、ナルシストネタ(夏祭り)と、事実とジョーク(ポケモンショック)を見分けられなかった愚かな奴ということでいいです。お疲れ様でした。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:06, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::: でも、今後の4月1日に発表する時は、注意書きは書いてもらえますか？これは事実です、これはジョークですとね。説明も無く、グレーゾーン狙って、くすくす笑いを暗示させるような今の記事は不快なんで。それくらいはできますよね？ [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::::んん、どういえばいいのかな・・・洋風エイプリルフールのジョークはアレですから、それはちょっと・・・ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:57, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::::: ゲラゲラ笑う日に、ジョークと傷ついた子供達の実際の事件を並べてニヤニヤしてりゃいいよ。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:05, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Bulbapedia talk:Staff

2011-08-14T03:15:57Z

Sawamular101: /* Why isn't there Japanese staff?　Is the Japanese discriminated with bulbapedia? */

Bulbapedia talk:Staff

2011-08-14T03:06:06Z

Sawamular101: /* Why isn't there Japanese staff?　Is the Japanese discriminated with bulbapedia? */

Bulbapedia talk:Staff

2011-08-14T02:20:39Z

Sawamular101: /* Why isn't there Japanese staff?　Is the Japanese discriminated with bulbapedia? */

i whould like to contest as a german support for the other users, i am one of the admins from pokewiki. (i dont need more rights for this job) --[[User:Hanmac|Hanmac]] 09:20, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

==Poli==
Isn't Poli's probation over? He's still listed as such. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:49, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Is this list current? ==

Just curious as to how current this list is, or when the last time it was updated was, or if it even needs to be updated. Not that I am staff or anything, just curious as to who our current staff are. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|JediKnight]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|DTV]] 01:10, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:It's up-to-date for permanent staff. It doesn't include anyone who was temporarily promoted to Junior Admin for the Black and White release, who I'm told will have those powers until things finish settling down again. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:19, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== Why isn't there Japanese staff?　Is the Japanese discriminated with bulbapedia? ==

In the Pokemon, the culture of Japan is often an base. I think that it is appropriate that the staff has the Japanese. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:The way we pick are staff has nothing to do with what race they are. We do not discriminate here. It's about how much work they put in to their contributions here. If a users shows the dedication and the effort, then we promote them. We can't just promote someone just because the are Japanese. They have to put in the work like everyone else does. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 11:27, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::Bulbapedia published the article that held the Japanese in derision on April 1. Bulbapedia laughed at the Japanese when the Japanese was crying. It was likely to have stopped it if there was a Japanese staff. There is no consideration to the Japanese. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:35, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I'm sure it was more like a tribute for the original Japanese version. Were the Japanese fans really offended?--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 11:39, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::::I looked like the article that held the Japanese in derision. Because the staff of Bulbapedia is noble, I might be wrong. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:00, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::It is to say that the Japanese staff members run the [http://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E3%83%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%83%9A%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8 Japanese wiki]. But what I'm mostly confused about is....what April 1 article are you referring to? April 1, 2011 contained 2 articles, [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Battle_%26_Get!_Pok%C3%A9mon_Typing_DS!_websites_open Pokemon Typing DS] and [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/New_deck_boxes_and_sleeves_revealed_for_April new TCG deck boxes]. And I don't see any discrimination there. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:39, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::He's meaning that [[Fushigipedia]] stuff.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 18:06, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::サワムラーさん、詳しく説明してくれませんか？日本語でお願いします。 [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:14, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::もしかして「ゆうれいポケモンとなつまつり」のあの記事ですか？ジョークなんだけど… [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:31, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::: ジョーク？あの時期に、日本をネタにした笑いは適切ですか？あと、ポケモンショックの記事もあったよね。私知ってるよ、ポケモンショックをネタにして日本人を馬鹿にする人がいるってこと。当時ね、怒りよりも脱力感が凄くて、抗議する気持ちにもならかったです。今思えば、暴れておけばよかった"かも"と考えることもあるんだよね。一回くらいアクセス禁止になってもよかったかなと。たぶん、梅子さんが謝ってくれるんだよね？「配慮が足らなかった」と。でも、謝らなくていいから、bulbapediaは結局そういうことなんでしょ。変な日本人の相手してご苦労様です。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]]
::::::::誤解です。そのジョークのネタは1998年ごろのアメリカ人のファンの偉そうな態度なんです。あの頃「俺日本語わかります！（※嘘）日本文化も完璧にわかります！（※大嘘）俺の意見に反対ならお前らバカだぞ！」という感じなナルシスト的なファン数人いましたので、そんなネタなんです。確かに日本人にほとんど伝わりませんけど・・・；；でも本当に英語圏のファンによって、「あるある、そんなこと覚えてるｗｗヤベェｗｗｗ」という自嘲なんです。それだけです；；怒らせたら本当にすみませんでした。 [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:04, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::: ポケモンショックの記事はなんなの？日本人の子供が病院に運ばれたことはジョークで、面白いネタなんでしょ？[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:08, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::そんな記事がありません・・・というより見つかれませんです。できたら、リンクを・・・？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::::::今現在のBulbapediaのトップページの、Message from the Editorの下辺りに、文字(ポケモンショックがどうたらかんたら)と外部リンク(ポケモンショックを扱う英語のサイト)が貼って合ったよ。梅子さん4月1日にbulbapedia見ました？盆踊りより、こっちの方が衝撃的だったんだけど。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:20, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Bulbapedia talk:Staff

2011-08-14T02:08:43Z

Sawamular101: /* Why isn't there Japanese staff?　Is the Japanese discriminated with bulbapedia? */

Bulbapedia talk:Staff

2011-08-14T01:27:49Z

Sawamular101: /* Why isn't there Japanese staff?　Is the Japanese discriminated with bulbapedia? */

Bulbapedia talk:Staff

2011-08-13T12:00:00Z

Sawamular101: /* Why isn't there Japanese staff?　Is the Japanese discriminated with bulbapedia? */

Bulbapedia talk:Staff

2011-08-13T11:35:30Z

Sawamular101: /* Why isn't there Japanese staff?　Is the Japanese discriminated with bulbapedia? */

Bulbapedia talk:Staff

2011-08-13T11:17:51Z

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Talk:Giratina (Pokémon)

2011-08-13T08:35:48Z

Sawamular101: /* Giratina is related to the Shinto shrine. */

{{Forme info|487{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0||O}}.png|Ghost|Dragon|[[Form differences#Giratina|Giratina's Formes]]|Giratina as though it were in the {{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|[[Pokémon world]]|[[Distortion World]] or holding a {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Griseous Orb}}}}, therefore being in its {{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|Altered|Origin}} Forme|the artwork shown in the infobox, the anime image shown, the manga image shown, the base stats entry which is unhidden, the Pokéathlon stats entry which is unhidden, and the type effectiveness entry which is unhidden|hour}}

==Previous discussions==
* [[Talk:Giratina (Pokémon)/Archive 1]]

== Origin(s) section should be revamped ==

I searched and searched, but found no info on "Garathena". Nor do I see why the word "Giraffe" would have any bearing on its name. The rest of the info seems fine except for the whole Izami thing, I don't see how that relates to Giratina at all. [[User:EmptyStar|EmptyStar]] 00:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

:Instead of giraffe, why not replace it with {{wp|qilin}} (''kirin'' in Japanese) instead? [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 15:26, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
::Becasue nothing in the name "Giratina" seems to sound anything like quilin/ kirin. [[User:EmptyStar|EmptyStar]] 04:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
It's long neck is probably why it was associated with giraffe. Is it me, or does Giratina resemble Deathscythe from Gundam Wing?[[User:Tesseract|Tesseract]] 09:33, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== An Altered "Altered Forme" ==

Why does Giratina's Altered Forme's wings seem to differ from game to game? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 04:03, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

== So wait... ==
Does a Giratina from the Dream World not change its ability when it changes form? Or are we missing an ability somehow? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 00:09, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:Giratina (Origin)'s Hidden Ability is technically also Levitate, similar to {{P|Flygon}}. A Telepathy Giratina given a Griseous Orb will have Levitate, and it will revert to Telepathy when the Orb is removed. I imagine the distinction of why Flygon has an explicitly-stated yet identical Hidden Ability in the code is due to Flygon being capable of breeding, to still get Sheer Force {{P|Trapinch}}es, while Giratina has no such complication. - [[User:Saethori|Saethori]] 03:43, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

== Giratina is related to the Shinto shrine. ==

The legends associated with it are similar to those of {{wp|Izanami}}, former wife of the kami {{wp|Izanagi}}. When she died of severe burns from giving birth to a fire god, she went to the underworld, from which Izanagi tried, but failed, to retrieve her, as she had already accepted her fate.

The person who notices that shrine is a Shinto shrine is a little. Describe it if there is a legend that looks like. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:01, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

The world of Pokemon is based on Japanese culture but various other cultures are also added and mixed.[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=152]

1 shrine(HOKORA/Shinto shrine). The relation is hinted by "[[Celestic Town]] shrine(Wall painting of cave) ".

2 The world of YOMI. (The world where the dead exist)

3 IZANAMI becomes a ghost. Giratina is a ghost type.

4 IZANAMI becomes a god in the country of YOMI.

Giratina is similar to another legend of izanami. "Jo The Marten
" did an unjust deletion. The explanation is requested from him. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:48, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:I may be mis-interpreting some points because of the language barrier, but I can see a few flaws in the relation. Firstly, the distortion world ''isn't'' a world where the dead exist. Secondly, I'm not sure Giratina is the "god" of the distortion world. It was banished there, and it's the only thing that lives there. That doesn't make it a god of that area. Also, all Pokémon world mythology in the games is delivered through a major character or an old man/woman. The old woman who talks about the cave paintings is no different from any other old woman in the game, making any comparison based on her rather flawed. If I'm understanding things correctly, the link between that legend and Giratina is tenuous at best.

:Also, if something you add is removed and you disagree with the removal, please don't re-add it to the page. Wait for the talk page discussion to take place first. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

::Dialga and Palkia are called a god(KAMI) in a Japanese version.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_world]. With similar power, it is suitable that Giratina is called KAMI(However, it is not actually called KAMI. ).

::I think the relation to the legend of Shintoism because there is a point of contact in the Shinto shrine. However, I think that other legends mix(not Japanese legend). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:35, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

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Thank you, and have a good time editing here! --''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

==Hi==
I noticed you have been editing the <code>User:</code> namespace a lot today. You may not be aware of this, but Bulbapedia has a {{Bulbapedia|Userspace policy}} that asks users to try and minimize the number of userspace edits they make in a short period of time. Instead of making multiple edits, why not use the Preview button (Alt + Shift + P) located right next to the edit button to look at your page and see how it is coming? That way, your page can look great while staying within the required amount of edits. Instead of editing the userspace, as a wiki, we encourage users to edit the mainspace. So, if you edit the mainspace more often, you will be allowed to edit the userspace more. Thanks! ----[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey Jo, could you by chance post the best Party Table for XD. Thanks. [[User:General Ownage|General Ownage]] [[User Talk:General Ownage|Message Box]]
:Never mind about that. BTW: Your one hell of a trainer. I'm more of a battler, but then again I don't participate in contests too much. [[User:General Ownage|General Ownage]] [[User Talk:General Ownage|Message Box]] 02:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== Usertags ==

As per the [[Bulbapedia:Usertag policy]], usertags must first be created in the userspace, and have at least 5 users using it. I'll leave it in template namespace for now, since it's likely more people might use this tag. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 22:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:Ah right, sorry about that. [[User:Jo The Marten|Jo The Marten]] 22:40, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jo! You messaged me earlier about me asking how to make a Usertag and I was wondering if you could help me make a couple. [[User:Pikababy|Pikababy]] 17:31, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== Regarding PokéPark Pad entries... ==

You're a nutter for deciding to transcribe them all, but bravo on the accomplishment and rather distinguished contribution. [[User:Hexagon Theory|Hexagon Theory]] 07:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

:Heh, thanks. Rather an ironic one as well considering it'll probably be deleted as soon as we transfer them all to the Pokémon pages they belong on. But {{u|Werdnae}} suggested I do it so I did. :B [[User:Jo The Marten|Jo The Marten]] 07:19, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

::Well, the contributions will still be yours; you'll be able to look at those pages and go, "Nice! I made that happen." {{unsigned|Hexagon Theory}}
:::And now you can start if you like. There's now a space in the Sidegame template for it. The parameter for the entry is <code>Pad</code>. If the Pad parameter has something in it then the section will show up on the page automatically. Thanks for doing all that work to get their entries. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I'll work on it tomorrow. I'm just adding stuff to the Zone pages for now, then probably gonna go to bed. Speaking of zones, would you mind moving [[Meeting Center]]? It's not actually called the Meeting Center in the game. [[User:Jo The Marten|Jo The Marten]] 08:16, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::Done. It didn't seem to be protected, so you could have done it yourself if you wanted. Just something I noticed when I went to do one myself, it looks like a line break (<nowiki> </nowiki>) will need to be inserted between the sentences when you add it so it doesn't get extremely wide. And don't feel pressured to do it or anything. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:34, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::Erm, why should a line break be required? Could you not make it so that the Pal portion of the template was a div with width set to 100%? [[User:Hexagon Theory|Hexagon Theory]] 08:37, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Or we could do it the easy, obvious way like you suggested. It already is set to 100%. The problem is that the width of the outer table wasn't set. I've fixed that though, so the linebreak isn't required. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:51, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Hah, I love the example you put, Werdnae. I figured out a way to take pictures without it being a thirdperson view so I'll upload the new images then I'm done for the day. Think the archives should have images of all the Pokémon? Before you say it's a bit much, consider that there are sprites of every Pokémon in the archives from the Mystery Dungeon titles. [[User:Jo The Marten|Jo The Marten]] 08:56, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I think that would be a good idea. Hopefully all that stuff can be incorporated into the sprite box once it gets a redesign or something. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Alright. I'll work on it tomorrow. I'll also see about getting the icons used in the Attractions somehow. And don't worry, I'll be fine after some sleep. [[User:Jo The Marten|Jo The Marten]] 09:09, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Attraction chart ==

Thanks :) Hm...yea, it probably would work better in the zone articles. Also any help with getting these tables together would be greatly appreciated. I'm actually trying to see if I can work out a theoretical "maximum score" for each Pokémon now (by actually playing the game). For Ursaring, Hitmonlee, Magmortar, Electivire and Metagross, you can easily obtain the maximum score of 99,999. I'm trying out Torchic right now but I can't seem to get any higher than 30,000. I'm thinking of putting the maximum score for it at 25-30,000. [[User:OnixPachirisu|OnixPachirisu]] 23:43, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

== Body size ==

If you'd like to hold up for two seconds, I'll automate that. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
:Sure. I was only trying to help in the only way I knew how. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 11:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
::No probs. I've set the {{template|sidegame}} template up so that it automatically categorizes every Pokémon by body size. But thanks for taking the initiative :) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Mission complete. ==

High five!

== Comment about user page :) ==

"Oh and I affectionately call Porygon-Z "Speak-and-Spell" ever since I heard his voice in PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure. "

Hehe, that voice was sketchy. Any idea why they used that kind of voice for it? [[User:OnixPachirisu|OnixPachirisu]] 19:54, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Oops =x ==

I hope Groudon doesn't give me too much homework today. T_T —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 17:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==Kilograms==
The reason kilograms were removed in the weight page is because there is a seperate page for [[List of Pokémon by weight in kilograms|kg]]. --[[User:Absol21990|Absol21990]] 22:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks! ==
As it would happen, I DID have some more questions. For instance, how many edits do I need to make before customizing my user page? How do I add pokemon to the section of a route's page that says which ones appear there? Why can't Feraligatr learn waterfall? And lots more I won't barrage you with.[[User:Crystal4Life|Crystal4Life]] 02:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

:1. That is a secret even I don't know. It honestly shouldn't be your main concern. :3 You came here to help the website, not create a personal profile.
:2. [[Template:catch/entryhs]]
:3. [[Feraligatr#By_TM/HM|It can't?]]
:4. Keep discussions on one talk page, alright?
:[[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 02:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

== Janovy/Servine ==
Why can't it be updated? --[[User:loghomewill|Loghomewill]] ''([[User talk:loghomewill|Chat with me!]])'''''''([[User:loghomewill/Trainers|Trainers]])''' 21:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:[http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/en-us/pokemon/new-pokemon/ Cause it's not official.] [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 21:01, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh... Sorry for wasting your time. --[[User:loghomewill|Loghomewill]] ''([[User talk:loghomewill|Chat with me!]])'''''''([[User:loghomewill/Trainers|Trainers]])''' 21:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:::You're not wasting my time. It's better you know than to make the same mistake twice. :P Just remember that other fan sites are not considered reliable resources, no matter how many of them post the same data. :) [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 21:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay, Thanks! It was posted on Bulbanews, so I just thought it was official. --[[User:loghomewill|Loghomewill]] ''([[User talk:loghomewill|Chat with me!]])'''''''([[User:loghomewill/Trainers|Trainers]])''' 21:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Nah, that was an accident as far as I know. An accident that stirred up a lot of commotion. But the official site cleared it up. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 21:09, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::Oh. Thanks again. I'm still sorta new and mistakes are the best way to learn, so, by now I guess I'm a genius. --[[User:loghomewill|Loghomewill]] ''([[User talk:loghomewill|Chat with me!]])'''''''([[User:loghomewill/Trainers|Trainers]])''' 21:19, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== Squirtle's Gender ==
Why did you revert all my edits referring to Squirtle's gender as unknown? I provided the reasoning and policy of the wiki for it and you just changed them. --[[User:Jda95|Jda95]] 05:43, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:However, the Japanese version did apparently confirm him to be male. If it's said in the original version we usually go with it, as the English or other dubs might add or remove things. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:52, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
::I gave my reasoning in the talk page, the personal pronoun Zenigame uses in [[EP017]] does not necessarily mean its a male, as often tough girls in anime and manga use the pronoun. I've brought the issue to the attention of [[User:Kenji-girl|Kenji-girl]] who I've asked to give a verdict. --[[User:Jda95|Jda95]] 06:25, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

For catching and fixing that error on the Archaic page. ^_^ --[[User:.insomniac.|«ιɴsσ]]м[[User_talk:.insomniac.|ɴιαc»]] 21:13, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
:Not a problem. :3 [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:51, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

== Project Tags ==

Hey, can you help me put the Project tags on the Oblivia pages? I can get the Sidegames; will you do the locations? I have to do something but will be back in 2 hours. [[User:Pokabu82|Pokabu]][[user talk:Pokabu82|82]] 22:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Congratjolations ==

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Jo, you are pro at wiki. Because of all the time and effort and blood (or so I heard) that went into those PokéPark Wii articles, you get the number one sparkler. (Also you ditched Wikia, so you got some brownie points there.) Keep it up! —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:32, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:*noms on Trom's brownies* Thanks, Kiwi-dawg. :D [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 09:43, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

== Just wondering ==

Why you did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Rock_(type)&oldid=1360587 this?] because now it has two Offense and Defense sections. If there is a reason to keep it, uh just revert me :) [[User:Dion24|Dion]][[User talk:Dion24|24]] 05:26, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

:I can see where this is going since there was already a separate section for those under characteristics and we thought it was a vandalism edit. Course if I was the one who dealt with it first before you did it yourself then I would have gotten the message instead since I was also monitoring the recent changes. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 05:32, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

::Oh, oops. D: I just noticed a LARGE amount of info being removed and thought it was vandalism. I didn't notice it was on the page twice. Welp, I apologize then, and thanks for catching it. :) [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 05:35, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I sent a message to {{u|CamjChari‎}}'s talk page to explain what they could had done to avoid making either of us think it was a vandalism edit. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 05:38, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Aye, I've sent a message of apology to him. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 05:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::I think you meant "sent" and not "seen", but anyway I've seen it and this pretty much brings this matter to a close. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 05:56, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== OK. ==

Thanks for telling me. --[[User:RECGameboy2|RECGameboy2]] 00:44, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

== Hi! ==
Sorry for the inclusion of those categories and templates, is the first time I'm trying to create an article for the wiki. I'm completely newbie with this.

Since you saw the page tell me if I made a more errors (except for mistakes in English, I want to fix, of course)please??

What do you think of little that is completed it? The opinion of someone more experienced with the site I would be very useful.

Thanks again. -[[User:Hikaru Wazana|Hikaru Wazana]] 01:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Friends list ==

Hi. You just told me that I can't have a friends list. If I deleted it right now, would I get in trouble (I've already edited my page once today)? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:16, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
:Also, I have another question. If I made a usertag does that count as a user space edit? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, I believe so. Because User tags are initially made in the user space and are later main spaced. So you would be editing the user space. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:27, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:::That's too bad. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:27, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay, now that my privliges to edit my userpage has returned, can I delete my friends list with it not counting as an edit? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 00:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Nope, it still counts. So while you remove it, better get whatever other editing you want to do out of the way as well. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:17, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Well, I was gonna make a usertag, but I guess I must wait until tomorrow. Sigh... :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 00:19, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Bad edit ==

Sorry for the apparently bad edit on Misty's page. I forgot one second too late that trivia can't be added. Sorry. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 01:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Sorry, but ==

Is there any way I can condense my navigation template at the top of my userpages into a code like the other templates? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 20:25, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:You mean make it so you can just use a template code? If you give it its own subpage under your user space (Such as "User:SuperAipom7/Nav" or whatever you like) you can use "<nowiki>{{User:SuperAipom7/Nav}}</nowiki>" so that way you won't have a huge code all over your page. Is that what you were asking? (Oh and doing this WILL count towards the one user page edit) [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 20:57, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::That's exactly what I meant. How do you do that? :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 20:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Either search for the page title you want to make and where it says "This page does not exist. Make this page?", or go to your page, and in the URL at the top of your browser type in "/Pagenametitle" after your username so again it'll show up like "User:SuperAipom7/Pagenametitle"and it should take you to a blank article page you can create. But after you make it, you'll need to wait until tomorrow before you add it to your page. (And don't forget to do some hard work on the main space ;) ) [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:03, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Thanks. Sorry for all of the questions. Just trying to get used to this website. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 21:10, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::It's no problem. By asking questions, you learn things. :) Certainly easier than making tons of mistakes and getting yelled at for it. And don't be afraid to ask other admins if I'm not around. They're all quite friendly. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

== My user page ==

I can't create my user page. Can you put a character or two so I can create it, please? --[[User:Braviapert|Braviapert]] - ([[User talk:Braviapert|Questions?]]) 19:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
:Nope. Sorry, that's your job. You've got to help out around the main space before you're allowed to make a userpage. If you'd like to just have a profile, and not help out, you can make an account on the forums when they come back up. This is not MySpace, and you'll need to be constructive and ''earn'' your userpage. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
::Too bad... --[[User:Braviapert|Braviapert]] - ([[User talk:Braviapert|Questions?]]) 19:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
:::I'm just going to add here that even if someone were to break the rules and help you circumvent the userspace policy, until you've had your account for a short time and made a number of mainspace edits, you can't ''edit'' it. The restriction's not on creating. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:53, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

== Excadrill ==

The history section should always be in the past tennse remember, [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 12:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

and you also need to mention what episode your talking about, not in the pre-searies bit, the bit with langley, sorry I'd do it myself but the page is protected [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 12:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

== In case you didn't see ==

It's '''A Connoisseurer's Revenge!'''. I made a boo-boo. I think it's supposed to be the feminine form. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
:I did notice xD; I've fixed my mistake. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:18, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
::You really ought to get on sometime tonight, or maybe tomorrow. :3 Somethings we need to talk about. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 06:40, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Tomorrow definitely. Not tonight though. There's something I have to do in the morning. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:00, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

== Egg cycles ==

I was just wondering, wouldnt it be an okay idea to add a section on the game version of the pokemon pages where it shows the egg cycles, egg rate, etc? (Not the Egg Cycle/Egg Rate page itself, the actual pages for each pokemon)

[[User:Hunter103|Hunter103]] 21:42, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
:Egg Cycles, Egg Groups, etc. can already be found in the infoboxes for the respective Pokémon. There's no reason to make a section for it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
:: Oh, really? I didnt even notice, wow. Now that i go and check, you're right. [[User:Hunter103|Hunter103]] 22:01, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

== HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! :) ==

Hope you had a great day today! BTW, love the new userpage, totally FAB!!! TTYL --[[User:Jediknightdtv|ジェダイの騎士]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|デジタルテレビ]] 05:38, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you! I had a very good day actually. :) And thanks again, I had been working on it for months. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 05:39, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
::Happy Birthday Jo <3 [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 09:29, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Happy B-day [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 09:32, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Happy Birthday! And your userpage really has Good Taste! :) --'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 09:47, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Happy late birthday, sorry about that song I posted, I just thought it would be funny to other people. Just had to think.[[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] 16:12, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

== Re: Abyssal Ruins ==

OK, as far as I know there is no /official/ translation. However, that said, I see no reason that we can't add them considering that its clearly a simple code once you know the cipher. Seriously, you can go to the ruins yourself and check the code like myself, it works. Even if nintendo hadn't officially revealed this to us I see no reason why we can't add this information, since a.) its just simple cryptography and b.) things nintendo hasn't "official" revealed to us before have been added to bulbapedia (e.g. event pokemon like Arceus, Shaymin, Meloetta & Genesect, the latter two still not being "officially" revealed). Thirdly, the game guide teases that there is meaning behind the symbols (quote, the abyssal ruins section: "Check these stones and you will see they are covered in mysterious letters...what could be written here?) Lastly, I feel it would be a great shame to see all this clearly correct information be disregarded on a technicality (if said technicality exists). The message is as verifiable as can be IMO and I strongly feel that it should remain. [[User:Green Zubat|Green Zubat]] 02:17, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:While it's true it says ''something'', how did they come about choosing these exact translations? It's odd that the letters change throughout the floors. Also, it's true Arceus & co. weren't officially revealed, but we could still read their names etc. We can't read this. Someone could make the message say anything they want to and pass it off as official translation. Perhaps TPCi will release translations eventually, perhaps they won't. But I'm not sure whether to consider this research, or just fan speculation... I'll ask some of the other staff about it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:30, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::OK, thanks. I know its odd how it works but at the end of the day, it ''does'' work. I mean, isn't it really just equivalent to GF leaving info in the game in a foreign language and not "revealing" what they say? Like those people you meet on other routes?[[User:Green Zubat|Green Zubat]] 02:35, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Well....the difference there is that French is an actual language. :P If you speak French, you can translate that. No one speaks these gibberish symbols though~ At least no one I've seen. Even Hylian has a way of translating. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:44, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Ah, but the thing is these symbols aren't gibberish, they're ''apparent'' gibberish, just like French to any non-speaker and just like French (or any other language) there's a clear order to both, not just nonsense and if you how to translate them (i.e. if you speak french or know the cipher respectively) then you can discern that order. The french language & {{wp|Cryptography}} are both established practices and GF included them both into the game without "revealing" it, hence they should both be elaborated on in articles about those sections of the game, no?[[User:Green Zubat|Green Zubat]] 02:51, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Oh, and P.S., in the event that the symbols are ''{{wp|Cuneiform}}'' as many believe they are (and actual, real world script) does that validate them further?[[User:Green Zubat|Green Zubat]] 02:56, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Sure, if it's an actual language, that could validate things right up. By the way, I tested it out in-game. Would you mind supplying the link to the Gaia post that you found this on? Might answer a few more questions. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::I included it in the talk page, [http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/pok-mon/abyssal-ruins-method-of-translation/t.70619547/?_gaia_t_=3934 here it is]. There's also [http://www.pokemongts.com/showthread.php?tid=86133 this one] which gets the same message after supposedly cross referencing other sites and countless others as a quick google search will show. Also, where you said "someone could make it say anything" that's not how cryptography/ciphers work, any attempt to use the fake cipher on the code should show the weakness.[[User:Green Zubat|Green Zubat]] 03:07, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::P.S. As for whether or not it is cuneiform, I don't know because I don't know that script well enough, though from what I can gather there are several forms, one of which the abyssal ruins supposedly pertains to.[[User:Green Zubat|Green Zubat]] 03:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm about to go to bed now, 'cause its super late over here however before I go (in case you were still wondering how they got the translation) I'd forgotten earlier to mention [specifically] the code was cracked by trial & error - testing different letters in different positions to see how they fit, that's usually how decoding a cipher works. Silktree/the OP admits that [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=86617 here]. Also, thanks for taking the time to actually consider this; I'll watch this space for updates[[User:Green Zubat|Green Zubat]] 04:30, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

== BW039 ==

Is there any reason why you are doubting the Pokemon Smash preview, by putting the Pokemon that appeared in it, in "hidden" tags (or whatever technical name is for those arrow things)? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 17:41, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
:Because there were two previews shown, one in the middle of the show, and one shown at the end of the show. The one at the end of the show is typically for the upcoming episode, but it looked like the other preview was for the tournament in general. I don't remember them saying it was specifically for BW039 or if they took clips from all four episodes and mashed them together. If you've got any proof that they're from BW039, by all means show it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:42, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== Hello ==
Yesterday you told me that my subpage was breaking a policy, by encouraging non-Pedia discussion on a talk page. What i do NOT understand is why it seems like a game or a mission. I've seen that on the policy and i don't see how i broke that rule. This is not to talk back or anything, i just need an answer. Thanks from [[User:EvilKirikizan|EvilKirikizan]] 22:21, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
:It seemed like it was turned into a "Who can make the most random comment" game. It'd be better if it were taken [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f285/random-messages-102920/ here] and left off Bulbapedia's main site. Thank you. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:40, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== Recharge moves ==

If a Pokémon uses a variation of Hyper Beam in the anime and doesn't recharge, and uses it many times in a row. Does that count as an anime error? I do know that Games =/= Anime. [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 23:08, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
:Nope. The anime is too inconsistent in terms of recharge moves, or moves like {{m|Hi Jump Kick}} or {{m|Take Down}} where the user takes damage. Sometimes they might mention a recharge, [[EP155|other times]] they'll forget about it and Pokémon may use moves over and over without caring about a recharge. Probably because the anime is much less "turn based" than the games are and trainers just call out orders left and right. Plus the game has them for balancing things out while the anime only has a story, so they'll [[EP238|bend the rules]] a bit to help move the story along. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 23:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

==Comment on an old discussion==
The reason I commented on the old discussions was that I was asking for something to be re posted. I was not the one to post the piece of trivia, but someone deleted a completely relevant piece of trivia on the page for the Pokemon Treeko. The piece of trivia stated how Treeko walked on all fours in Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue team, even though he is known to be bipedal. Somebody deleted this just because he walks on two feet in the newest Mystery Dungeon games. I commented there because I think that this should be re posted. Thank you for your time. [[User:Darynu|Darynu]] 02:46, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

== A question of Skarmory ==

Can {{TCG ID|Undaunted|Skarmory|21}} use "Steel Coat" to search an [[Metal Energy (Special)|Special Metal Energy]] from the player's deck? It just said "{{tt|Search your deck for a {{e|Metal}} Energy card|自分の山札の[鋼]エネルギーを1枚}}". --[[User:847418742|847418742]]/[[User talk:847418742|Talk]] 08:27, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
:I would say no, but I could be wrong. I'm still trying to get a tighter grip on the TCG rules, but typically it seems like special energies you have to draw from your deck or prize manually. But if you want a more genuine answer, you should probably ask {{u|Maverick Nate|Nate}}. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 13:53, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
::OK, thank you very much.--[[User:847418742|847418742]]/[[User talk:847418742|Talk]] 08:00, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for the advice to tell the truth I'm very emotional person. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] 23:53, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

== Objective? ==
What's with those eggs on the top of the screen? [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] 17:23, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
:When my talk page is full, one of the eggs will hatch and turn into an archive. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:41, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

== Pokedex Edit ==

I added a History section to the article [[Pokedex]] and it was reverted.All my info was confirmed way back in Pokemon4Ever,care to tell me something about this ? {{unsigned|Skarm}}
:It isn't anything I personally remember from [[M04]]. Apparently the person who reverted you hadn't heard it either. I'll watch the movie later tonight and get back to you. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
::Alright then.Sammy explicitly stated all that info [[User:Skarm|Skarm]] 02:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
:::I've finished rewatching M04. Nothing of what you added was mentioned. There was a scene where Ash compares his sketchbook to a PokéDex but that doesn't mean it ''is'' a PokéDex. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:33, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that then,my apologies [[User:Skarm|Skarm]] 19:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

== VRU ==

I was noticing that there was a need for the page Voice Recognition Unit. However I was wondering if I should bother with the page or not since there are not many good images I could find of the device and the only other one I see is on the Hey You Pikachu! boxart. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]
:Are you referring to that little gray box you plug a mic into and plug into the N64? Why would we need a page for it? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:03, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
:: Beats me. I just notice it as a red link on a couple of pages. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]]
:::Well I can ask someone else, but it'll be later tonight (due to time zone shenanigans.) Though personally that just sounds like if we made a page for the N64 controller if you ask me. :P [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:17, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

== Card Scans ==

My mistake, I'll upload with the same names as before... if I can. (I'm not sure I have enough edits or whatever to overwrite the old files.) But... can you elaborate on what you mean about "poor quality"? The quality sure looks fine to me, and frankly they look a hell of a lot better than the Japanese scans currently up... [[User:Ribbity104|Ribbity104]] 02:16, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:They're just really bright and saturated. It's nothing too major, but if we were to replace the images, it'd be nice to get really nice quality. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:19, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
::The image quality isn't going to get much better - the lines and text are all nice and crisp. But I can tone down the brightness a bit. Give me a couple minutes and I'll see what I can do... [[User:Ribbity104|Ribbity104]] 02:46, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
::All right then, I think/hope it's better now. When you get a chance, can you check out MaractusBW011 on the archives as a sample to see if it looks good to you? [[User:Ribbity104|Ribbity104]] 03:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah, that's better. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:04, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
::::So should I start uploading over the old images (if I can)? I don't want to do any irreversible damage here... [[User:Ribbity104|Ribbity104]] 03:06, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::Sure. They still seem a tad yellow to me but I guess I shouldn't be too picky. But yeah, go ahead and upload over the old files. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
::::::Well, the English cards ''are'' brighter/yellower than their Japanese counterparts. Plus you've only seen Grass types so far. But it looks like I can't upload over the old files anyway, so... I guess I'm out of luck. Oh well. [[User:Ribbity104|Ribbity104]] 03:13, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Not just that. I had my Maractus card in my hand and compared it to your scan, that's what I was using as reference. You can't upload over them? That's odd. As far as I know, they're not protected. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:16, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Nope... I can upload over my own images but not the old ones. Guess all that was for nothing! :'-( [[User:Ribbity104|Ribbity104]] 03:22, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::Hm...are you aware of anything you might be doing wrong? I can upload new versions of the files and I have no power on the Archives. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:28, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::You have no idea how often I hear that question. No, seriously though, I guess it's because I'm not "autoconfirmed" yet. According to the Archives FAQ I need a certain unknown number of edits/uploads before I can upload over existing files. I guess I'd have to contact an Archives admin to do something about that, hm? [[User:Ribbity104|Ribbity104]] 03:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

== Application for Job ??? ==

As the headline said,can I apply for a special job on [[Bulbapedia]] ? If so,where do I apply ? {{unsigned|Skarm}}
:What kind of special job? If you're referring to becoming a Junior Admin, then you can only apply during staff drives, which will be announced in the Message from the Editor. Outside of then, you can't apply, but we still approach people we think are ready. Keep editing and show us that you would make a good Junior Admin. Because even during the staff drives, we never have a set number of people that must be hired - if no-one's good enough yet, then no-one will get hired. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:43, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

== Sorry again ==

Oh,sorry ! I thought those things were custom for any user to use,I'll create my own then.[[User:Skarm|Skarm]] 23:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
:Um,Joe,I think something's wrong with my template thing,could you check it and fix it for me ? {{unsigned|Skarm}}

Thanks for the advice. I was new at this when I was doing that I think. SORRY!!. Thank you!--[[User:GMAN202|GMAN202]] 01:22, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

== OK ==

OK, and please excuse me, because again, I am very new to this wiki. [[User:Crafty Scrafty|I am a talking Scrafty!]][[User talk:Crafty Scrafty| Talk to me!]] 23:45, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

== Hello ==
First of all, thanks for notifying me about how i was editing the userspace too much. My question, is, how many mainspace edits should I make before I can begin again (at a steadier pace with regular mainspace ones, too)? '''[[User:EvilKirikizan|EvilKirikizan]]''' '''[[User talk:EvilKirikizan|speaking!]] 03:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:There's no set number. Just enough to show that you're more dedicated to the mainspace than you are to your userpage. That includes quality of the edits, not just quantity. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:20, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

== Can this stay? ==

Seeing that you reveted my first edit to chuchu page, does the other edit have to go too? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Rayquaza (Pokémon)|4449]] 02:33, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

== Explain the reason for the deletion. ==

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'''Giratina''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ギラティナ''' ''Giratina'') is a dual-type {{2t|Ghost|Dragon}} [[legendary Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation IV]].

While it is similar to other legendary Pokémon in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, including its post-National Pokédex appearance and lack of relation to the games' overall plot, it was revealed in early February 2008 to have an [[Form differences#Giratina|alternate form]] known as the Origin Forme, in addition to the form it takes in Diamond and Pearl, the Altered Forme. It is in this new form that Giratina took its place as [[version mascot]] of {{game|Platinum}}, the third version of [[Generation IV]]'s Sinnoh-based games.

It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] to or from any other Pokémon.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
As first revealed by Japan's CoroCoro Magazine, Giratina has two forms. The first (Altered Forme) is the form that appeared in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. In this form, Giratina has a large, gray, centipede-like body with six short, thick legs. Its legs have gold claws and gold bands on them. It has a tail and a thick black stripe running vertically along the front of its body. There is a series of red horizontal stripes running across the large black one. Three gold half-rings circle the back half of Giratina's neck at the same points that three of the red stripes are at on its front, resembling a ribcage. On its back are two large, black wings that are decorated with red, conical objects that also could be claws. The wings seem oddly out of place, due to the fact that Giratina seems far too heavy to fly effectively. The wings also seem to be ghostly, as they can change shape as if they were made of a liquid or gas.

Giratina's head and eyes resemble those of {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}, causing many to theorize that it is related to the two. This assumption is confirmed in Pokémon Platinum.

The second is a new Origin Forme which made its debut in ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''. It uses this form when traveling through dimensions other than ours, such as the Distortion World, its home. The form-altering is triggered by a change of gravity. This form is more serpentine than Giratina's Altered Forme. The Origin Forme of Giratina has six black, ghostly streamers on its back that each have a bright red spike at the end. Its mouth is hidden by the head plates, which swing open sideways when the mouth is opening. Giratina's legs have been reduced to spike-like protrusions. There are four more golden spikes near the edge of the tail. The three gold half-rings in this form can be used to grip objects. This version of Giratina also appears in {{game|Platinum}}, and can be activated outside of the [[Distortion World]] if it is holding a {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Griseous Orb}}.

====Gender differences====
Giratina is a genderless species.

====Special abilities====
Giratina is able to travel through and control dimensions besides those of time and space. When in its Origin Forme, it is able to pass through dimensions at will, however, it will turn back to its Altered Forme due to the gravity change from the [[Reverse World]]. It does so by emitting a whirlwind from its mouth which creates a portal.

It also seems to have a connection to reflective objects, such as mirrors and pools of water. Reflections embody the concept of the Reverse World.

As to be expected with other {{type2|Ghost}} Pokémon, Giratina is capable of using Ghost, {{t|Dark}}, {{t|Psychic}} and {{t|Electric}} attacks. Unlike other {{t|Dragon}} Pokémon, Giratina lacks the ability to wield {{t|Ice}}- and {{type2|Fire}} attacks (save for {{m|Will-O-Wisp}} and {{m|Icy Wind}}, which most Ghost-types learn anyway). Giratina is one out of seven Pokémon that is capable of using {{m|Aura Sphere}}. Since Giratina is a "true" Dragon Pokémon, it is also capable of using {{m|Draco Meteor}}.

In Platinum, Giratina can transform to its Origin Forme by equipping the Griseous Orb. If the orb is unequipped in battle, it goes back to Altered Forme. The Origin Forme has higher offensive stats while the Altered Forme has higher defenses. Since Giratina's Origin Forme (and the Griseous Orb, for that matter) is exclusive to Platinum, Black and White, or HeartGold and SoulSilver via event, when it is traded to Diamond or Pearl it will revert back to its Altered Forme, and the Griseous Orb it was holding goes back into the player's bag.

Giratina is the [[Signature move|only known Pokémon]] that learns {{m|Shadow Force}} via level up.

===Behavior===
Judging by the events in Pokémon Platinum and ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]'', its portrayal in [[Sinnoh myths|ancient folklore]], and its Platinum Pokédex entry, it's assumed that Giratina is a highly aggressive and territorial Pokémon protective of [[Distortion World|its home]]. It should be noted that despite the legends depicting it in a more evil light than the others in its trio, Giratina arrived at Spear Pillar to save the world from Cyrus' attempted apotheosis; though it may have arrived to protect its own world from destruction.

===Habitat===
Legends claim that Giratina appear in cemeteries and that this Pokémon species supposedly lives in the spirit world, on the [[Distortion World|reverse side of ours]]. It was banished for violence, possibly by Arceus.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[File:{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|Giratina Altered Forme.png|Giratina Origin Forme.png}}|thumb|right|210px|{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|Altered|Origin}} Forme Giratina in the anime]]
{{an|Giratina}} made its anime debut in ''[[M11|Giratina and the Sky Warrior]]''. In the movie, Giratina ambushes and drags {{an|Dialga}} into the [[Reverse World]] in order to exact revenge against the Temporal Pokémon for causing damage to its home during its fight with {{an|Palkia}} [[M10|some time before]]. [[Zero]] also attempts to copy Giratina's powers in order to take control over the Reverse World. Throughout the movie, Giratina takes on its Origin Forme whenever it is in the Reverse World, and its Altered Forme whenever it is in the real world.

The Giratina makes a second appearance in the [[M12|twelfth movie]] alongside {{an|Dialga}}, {{an|Palkia}}, and {{p|Arceus}}.

An illusion of Giratina appeared in ''[[DP148|Try for the Family Stone!]]''.

Giratina appeared in Meowth's [[boss fantasy]] in ''[[DP173|Dealing With a Fierce Double Ditto Drama!]]''.

==In the manga==
[[File:{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|Giratina Altered Forme Adventures.png|Giratina Origin Forme Adventures.png}}|thumb|right|210px|{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|Altered|Origin}} Forme Giratina in Pokémon Adventures]]
===Giratina and the Sky Warrior===
Giratina appears in ''{{OBP|Giratina and the Sky Warrior|manga}}''. Much like in the movie, it attacks Dialga and drags it into the Reverse World, and later is hunted by [[Zero]]. In ''{{OBP|Arceus and the Jewel of Life|manga}}'', Giratina reappears alongside Dialga and Palkia to face off against Arceus.

===Pokémon Adventures===
The {{tc|Executive|Rocket Executive}}s use {{p|Arceus}}' power to create replications of the [[creation trio|three dragons of Sinnoh]], but they are destroyed before they can materialize.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Giratina (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness]]: Giratina is the guardian of the [[Seven Treasures|Rock Horn]].

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=ghost
|type2=dragon
|gen=4
|dpdex=A Pokémon that is said to live in [[Distortion World|a world on the reverse side of ours]]. It appears in an ancient cemetery.
|platinumdex=It was banished for its violence. It silently gazed upon the [[Pokémon world|old world]] from the [[Distortion World]].
|hgssdex=This Pokémon is said to live in a world on the reverse side of ours, where common knowledge is distorted and strange.
|bwdex=It was banished for its violence. It silently gazed upon the old world from the Distortion World.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=ghost |
type2=dragon |
gen=4 |
dprarity=One |
dparea=[[Turnback Cave]] |
ptrarity=One |
ptarea=[[Distortion World]] [[Form_differences#Giratina|Origin Forme]] [[Turnback Cave]] [[Form differences#Giratina|Altered Forme]]{{tt|*|Only appears if KO'd or fled from in the Distortion World}} |
hgssrarity=One |
hgssarea=[[Sinjoh Ruins]] (requires {{pkmn|event}} {{p|Arceus}})|
gen5ex=none |
bwrarity=None |
bwarea=[[Poké Transfer]]
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=Ghost
|type2=Dragon
|md2=[[World Abyss]] (30F)
|scramble=Ticket for releasing {{p|Gengar}}, {{p|Spiritomb}}, {{p|Dusknoir}}, {{p|Dragonite}} and {{p|Garchomp}}
}}

===Stats===
{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
====Base stats====
|- class="{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Altered Forme=====
|-
|
{{BaseStats|
type=Ghost|
type2=Dragon|
HP= 150 |
Attack= 100 |
Defense=120 |
SpAtk= 100 |
SpDef= 120 |
Speed= 90 }}
|- class="{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 1|collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Origin Forme=====
|-
|
{{BaseStats|
type=Ghost|
type2=Dragon|
HP= 150 |
Attack= 120 |
Defense=100 |
SpAtk= 120 |
SpDef= 100 |
Speed= 90 }}
|}

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|
====Pokéathlon stats====
|- class="{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Altered Forme=====
|-
|
{{Pokéthlon|
|type=Ghost
|type2=Dragon
|Speed=2
|SpeedMax=2
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=4
|Stamina=5
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

|- class="{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 1|collapsible|expandable}}"
|
=====Origin Forme=====
|-
|
{{Pokéthlon|
|type=Ghost
|type2=Dragon
|Speed=3
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=3
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=3
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=5
|Jump=3
|JumpMax=5
}}
|}

{| width="100%" class="collapsible"
|

===Type effectiveness===
|- class="{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 0|collapsible|expandable}}"
|
====Altered Forme====
|-
|
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=ghost|
type2=dragon|
Normal= 0 |
Fighting= 0 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 50 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=50 |
Psychic=100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 200 |

notes=yes |
ghost=yes |
newnormal=1 |
newfighting=1 }}
|- class="{{#ifexpr: ({{#time: H}} mod 2) = 1|collapsible|expandable}}"
|
====Origin Forme====
|-
|
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=ghost|
type2=dragon|
Normal= 0 |
Fighting= 0 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 50 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 200 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=50 |
Psychic=100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 200 |

notes=yes|
ghost=yes|
newnormal=1|
newfighting=1|
levitate=yes|
newground=1}}
|}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Giratina|Ghost|Dragon|5|4}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|DragonBreath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|6|Ominous Wind|Ghost|Special|60|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|10|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|19|Shadow Sneak|Ghost|Physical|40|100|30||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|24|Destiny Bond|Ghost|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|28|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|33|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|37|Aura Sphere|Fighting|Special|90|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|42|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|46|Shadow Force|Ghost|Physical|120|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|Hex|Ghost|Special|50|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Giratina|Ghost|Dragon|5|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Giratina|Ghost|Dragon|5|4}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM19|Telekinesis|Psychic|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM02|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Giratina|Ghost|Dragon|5|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Giratina|ghost|dragon|5|4}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Giratina|ghost|dragon|5|4}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Giratina|Ghost|Dragon|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5||'''|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Giratina|Ghost|Dragon|5|5}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=ghost |
type2=dragon |
ndex=487 |
body2=4 |
rate2=8.2 |
iq=C |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Ghost |
assist3=Ghost |
field3=None |
field3power=- |
browser3=It spits out orbs imbued with loathsome emotions and creates gusts of dark wind. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox/Formes
|sprite1=487O
|name1=Giratina
|type1-1=Ghost
|type2-1=Dragon
|forme1=Origin Forme
|loc1={{color2|000|Distortion World}} or {{color2|000|Held item|Held}} {{color2|000|Griseous Orb}}
|sprite2=487
|forme2=Altered Forme
|loc2= {{color2|000|Pokémon world}}}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=ghost|
type2=dragon|
gen=4|
gender=2formesnew|
ndex=487|
name=Giratina|
forme1=O|
normalname=Altered Forme|
forme1name=Origin Forme|
}}

==Trivia==
[[File:SpearPillar Giratina.png|thumb|Giratina, Dialga, Palkia and Cyrus at Spear Pillar|right]]
[[File:Giratina Platinum Origin.png|thumb|Giratina in the [[Distortion World]]|right]]
[[File:Giratina Origin English Pt.png|thumb|Giratina in {{game|Platinum}}|right]]
[[File:Giratina altered platinum.png|thumb|Altered Forme Giratina at [[Turnback Cave]] ({{game|Platinum}})|right]]
* Giratina has many differences from the other members of [[creation trio|its trio]]:
** It is the only member of the trio that does not have the first letter of the game it is mascot to match the first letter of its name.
** It is the only member with [[form differences]].
** Its HP is its highest stat rather than Special Attack.
** It does not have a [[type-enhancing item]] in Diamond and Pearl (this {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Griseous Orb|item}} is obtained in Platinum).
** It is the only member whose {{m|Shadow Force|signature move}} is not a [[Special move|Special]] or {{type|Dragon}} move.
** It is met at level 70 in {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} while the other members are met at level 47. This is reversed in {{v2|Platinum}}.
** It is the only one of its trio without a jewel on its body, and therefore cannot learn {{m|Power Gem}}.
** It is separated from the other members of its group in the Pokédex by {{p|Heatran}} and {{p|Regigigas}}.
** It is the only member with a catch rate of 3, and the only one without a 100% [[Recruitment|recruit rate]] in the [[Mystery Dungeon]] series.
* No other Pokémon has the same [[type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Giratina.
** It is also the only dual-type Pokémon that has weaknesses to both of its types, as well as the only {{type2|Ghost}} legendary Pokémon (not including {{p|Arceus}} when holding the {{DL|Plate|Spooky Plate}}).
* Giratina along with {{p|Togetic}}, {{p|Togekiss}}, {{p|Yanma}}, {{p|Yanmega}} and {{p|Smeargle}} (by {{m|Sketch}}), are the only Pokémon that can learn all three [[Move variations|variations]] of {{m|AncientPower}}.
* Giratina has the highest HP stat of all legendary Pokémon. However, it is outmatched by several non-legendary Pokémon.
* It is one of two Pokémon whose ability changes depending on its form, the other being {{p|Shaymin}}.
* In its Origin Forme, Giratina has the most resistances and immunities of all non-{{type|Steel}} Pokémon, excluding {{p|Shedinja}}.
* In Platinum, Giratina is the only Pokémon to come out from above the screen during the start of the battle. Also, it does not have a shadow until it uses {{m|Shadow Force}} or breaks out of a Poké Ball.
* In interviews [[Junichi Masuda]] and Takeshi Kawachimaru did for G4, it was said that Giratina and its Distortion World were created to be personifications of {{wp|antimatter}}; this is also stated in HeartGold and SoulSilver by [[Cynthia]].
* Giratina is the only Pokémon that appears last in a regional Pokédex listing that is not an event-exclusive Pokémon.
* It is the only legendary Pokémon that can be caught in all five of the Generation IV main series handheld games.
* Giratina's Altered Forme received a different second frame sprite in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, but the static sprite remained the same.
* When encountered in Platinum, the game reads "The Distortion World's Giratina appeared", but it is still a wild Pokémon. It is the only Pokémon to do this.

===Origin===
Giratina is possibly based on a {{wp|basilisk}}. In the Altered Forme, the wings may be based on a bat's, and its body has an insect-like, six-legged feature, but its posture is similar to a {{wp|sauropod}}. Its Origin Forme has a body similar to a serpent, while the six protrusions on its body may be based on a {{wp|scorpion}}'s stinger. However this Forme also shares physical traits with the {{wp|Amphitere}}, a European dragon-like creature with wings but no legs.

The legends associated with it are similar to those of {{wp|Izanami}}, former wife of the kami {{wp|Izanagi}}. When she died of severe burns from giving birth to a fire god, she went to the underworld, from which Izanagi tried, but failed, to retrieve her, as she had already accepted her fate.
====Name origin====
Giratina's name may be derived from {{wp|platinum}} (written as プラチナ ''platina'' in {{wp|katakana}}; compare to ギラティナ) and either {{wp|guillotine}}, [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Girasol girasol] (a type of red {{wp|opal}}), or girare, an Italian verb meaning to wander or turn.


==In other languages==
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{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{ghost color light}};"
|- align=center
! class="roundytl" | Language
! Name
! class="roundytr" | Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Giratina
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|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Giratina
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|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 기라티나 ''Giratina''
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]
| 騎拉帝納 ''Qí Lā Dì Nà''
| Transliteration of its Japanese name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| class="roundybl" | [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Cantonese)]]
| 騎拉帝納 ''Gei La Dai Naap''
| class="roundybr" |
|}
|-
|}
 

==Related articles==
* [[Giratina (anime)]]
* [[Creation trio]]

==External links==

{{Legendary Pokémon}}
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[[Category:Sinnoh Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Version mascots]]
[[Category:Pokémon with different forms]]
[[Category:Legendary Trio Pokémon]]

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Talk:Giratina (Pokémon)

2011-08-13T07:01:19Z

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Giratina (Pokémon)

2011-08-13T06:50:17Z

Sawamular101: /* Origin */ Giratina is related to the Shinto shrine. Describe it if you resemble it.

Pokémon Platinum beta

2011-08-12T09:30:47Z

Sawamular101: The logo of a Japanese version is beta version on this page.

'''{{game|Platinum}}''', released on September 13th, 2008 in Japan and on March 22, 2009 in the United States, was in development for a long time beforehand. During its planning and development stages, various things were going to be a part of the games, but many did not make it to the final games.

==Locations==
{| align="right" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{platinum color dark}}; background: #{{platinum color}};"
|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{platinum color dark}}; background: #{{platinum color light}}; width:80px"|
[[File:btparkpt.png|200px]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| The Battle Park in Platinum. Notice the lack of shadow and the updated environment
|}
The {{si|Battle Park}} from {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} appears in the coding of {{v2|Platinum}} by modifying the game with specialized devices and software. This indicates that the {{Gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}} was created some time after the development of Platinum begun.

==Sprites==
During the planning and development stages of {{game|Platinum}}, several sprites were going to be a part of the games. As the game contains a different sprite set from that of {{v2|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, some sprites were dropped or changed since the early screenshots that were officially released.

An alternate sprite of [[Giratina (Pokémon)#Trivia|Giratina]] was also shown in several pre-release screenshots of the game. Also, the internal coding of Platinum also holds different sets of sprites for {{p|Shaymin}}'s [[Form differences#Shaymin|Land Forme]], which are not accessible during normal gameplay.

Prototype sprites for the items which change {{p|Rotom}}'s [[Form differences#Rotom|forms]] were also found.

{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{platinum color dark}}; background: #{{platinum color}};"
|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{platinum color dark}}; background: #{{platinum color light}}; width:80px"|
[[File:Shaymin Beta.png]]
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{platinum color dark}}; background: #{{platinum color light}}; width:80px"|
[[File:Another Beta.png]]
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{platinum color dark}}; background: #{{platinum color light}}; width:80px"|
[[File:Origin Beta.png]]
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{platinum color dark}}; background: #{{platinum color light}}; width:80px"|
[[File:Rotom_beta_sprites.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Alternate Land Forme Shaymin sprite
| Leftover animation frame for Giratina's Altered Forme sprite
| Beta Origin Forme Giratina sprite
| Initial sprites for Rotom's form changing items
|}

==Music==
In addition to {{v2|Platinum}}'s exclusive tracks, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl beta#Unused music|all tracks]] found in the coding of {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} are also present within the programming of the game.

==Items==
[[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl beta#Hidden items|The unused items]] discovered in the coding of {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} are also available in {{v2|Platinum}}, alongside its own set of exclusive items. However, two finalized and used items from Diamond and Pearl that have no use in Platinum still remain in the game's programming:
*{{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Point Card}}, which stores [[Battle Point]]s earned in the {{si|Battle Tower}}. Surprisingly, it will still function despite the fact that Battle Points are now tracked by the [[Vs. Recorder]];
*{{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Storage Key}}, which allows entrance to the [[Team Galactic]] [[Galactic Warehouse|Warehouse]]. It is now used by [[Looker]] instead. Hacking the item will not allow it to function, however.

==Debugging features==
Leftover dialogue within {{v2|Platinum}} (and later {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}) provides further details on how the game developers might have debugged the game. For instance, such text refers to features such as a "Sound test" and an option to modify the real-time clock (RTC).<ref>http://stuff.veekun.com/pokemon-heartgold-text-dump</ref>

==References==
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{{beta|platinum}} 
{{Project Games notice}}
[[Category:Pokémon meta]]
[[Category:Games]]

[[de:Pokémon Platin (Beta)]]

Talk:Pokémon Platinum beta

2011-08-12T09:25:58Z

Sawamular101: /* Japanese version is beta version? */ new section

==BETA items==

These items were in the Diamond/Pearl games, what proof do we have that these items are still in Platinum? Wouldn't Nintendo have removed them? That just seems to be a Copy-Paste of the Diamond/Pearl Beta page. :/ [[User:Phocks]]

:Confirmed{{tt|.|I think..}}--[[wp:HSM3|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:37, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

::What was confirmed? That these beta items remain in Platinum's programming as well or that it is just a copy-paste of the Diamond and Pearl beta article? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 20:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:::The items still exist. As such, the items would need to be there to prevent cross-trading glitch items or obtaining items such as the Secret Key, Platinum Orb, etc. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 20:22, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
::::OK, thanks for clarifying me. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 21:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

==To let you know==

I just put "*There would be a new form of {{p|Regigigas}} possibly called the Regigigas Sky Form." beacause it was a huge rumor on the net. Just look up "Regigigas Sky Form" on google or something. I mean, really! I even thought there would be a Sky Form of Regigigas! So it really shouldn't be deleted. This is BULBAPEDIA. The ultimate source about every Poké stuff and we share our info!-[[User:Dragonbeastx|Dragonbeastx]] 02:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Protection tag ==

As there seems to be different opinions about having or not having the rumours section on the page, and this has been reverted from both sides several times, I put the protection candidate tag to prevent a possible edit war. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 19:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

I can understand why they're there for regular shaymin,giratina and origin forme, but why is shaymin sky forme on there, it looks pretty bad as a sprite and it looks just no different than if anyone messed up the sky forme sprite in platinum. [[User:SLE_aman|SLE_]][[User:SLE_aman/talk|aman]] 19:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Japanese version is beta version? ==

This is an official logo. [http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/61KlGWIg4YL._SL500_AA300_.jpg] It deletes it because it is unpleasant. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:25, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Arcanine (Pokémon)

2011-08-12T08:15:56Z

Sawamular101:

== Teleport? ==

I found teleport in the attack list, can someone confirm this? This doesn't make any sense, because Arcanine shouldn't be able to teleport unless it was teported by some other Pokémon. Well, its fast speed might make it look like it's teleporting, but it still doesn't make any sense. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 12:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

:In {{m|Teleport)) article, it says Arcanine can somehow learn Teleport using a TM... but I don't suppose that's a real confirmation... -[[Image:Ani026MS.gif]][[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]][[Image:Ani392MS.gif]]

::It's really, really fast. Which makes as much sense as Dodrio's jumping qualifying it for {{m|Fly}}. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

That, and the move can be learned by TM in the first generation. I remember randomly trying to teach the move once when I got it.... [[User:Tsum|Tsum]] 04:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

==Thunder Fang==

Can Arcanine learn Thunder Fang? Some other people have said it on other websites, but I cant confirm it (No DS on me) and neither Serebii nor Bulbapedia have it listed.
-Link6491
:Move tutor. Get a Heart Scale and go to the move tutor in Pastoria. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Can someone add that? I am unsure of how to. -Link6491
:It goes for many Pokémon, like Medicham and the elemental punches and stuff. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::I just bred a Growlithe (from an Arcanine), and evolved it straight into an Arcanine, which learned Thunder Fang, Fire Fang, and Odor Sleuth. Unless this is a glitch, it seems that it can learn Thunder Fang. [[Image:Ani444MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenn1985|~Kenn]] '''[[Image:Ani444MS.gif]] 17:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Arcanine can definitely learn Thunder Fang. It learns the move at Lv.1. [[User:SharKing|SharKing]] 21:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)SharKing

== New Picture ==
Hey guys. In the anime apearances theres that picture from "On Cloud Arcanine". That pictures not very good in my opinion and if I find a better one, can I change it? [[User:Hatsumi|Hatsumi]] 15:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Hatsumi
:Well, I put it up there. I hope it looks OK [[User:Hatsumi|Hatsumi]] 15:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Hatsumi

== Legendary ==

This article says "Because of its high stats, its species, and the fact that it was illustrated in an ancient slab along with the legendary birds in the second episode, it can be assumed that Arcanine was originally planned to be part of the legendary trio in first generation games; possibly even the birds' trio master."
I just don't like that "it can be assumed". I don't think that is nearly enough evidence for it to be "assumed". Maybe "it is possible that", but I don't agree that it can be "assumed". I mean, the fact that Dragonite has higher total base stats than it, isn't that quite major evidence that it was never going to be legendary? And I think it was only featured on that slab because its species name is "Legendary", and we know well that species names mean nothing. For example, we don't say that Slowbro has anything to do with a crab because it is a "Hermit Crab" pokemon. I admit that this is evidence for it possibly being a legendary, but I really don't think it can be "assumed". Sorry to be really specific about this, but I think a one word change would actually make a fairly major difference.[[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 15:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

:I think it has Legendary status because of all the supposed stories on it. I believe in the Anime they made references to its "supposed" legendary speed and what not. Thats really all I can offer. [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]]

== Trivia: Slaking/Arcanine Average Base Stat Ranking ==

[[Arcanine (Pokémon)]]'s Trivia section: "Arcanine has the second-highest base stat average of any non-legendary and non-pseudo-legendary Pokémon, next to Slaking."

[[Slaking (Pokémon)]]'s Trivia section: "Slaking has the second highest base stat average of any non-legendary Pokémon."

[[List of Pokémon by base stats]]'s Table (condensed to relevant non-legendaries):

Pokemon Base Average

Slaking 111.67

Tyranitar 100.00

Metagross 100.00

Dragonite 100.00

Salamence 100.00

Garchomp 100.00

Arcanine 92.50

There are a number of issues with this.
Firstly and most obviously is that these trivia notes contradict each other.
Second is that, arguably, neither of these are true in the first place. Slaking is #1, not #2, and Arcanine is #6 (disregarding "and non-pseudo-legendary Pokémon" in the trivia note) behind Garchomp, Salamence, Dragonite, Metagross, Tryanitar and Slaking but for one thing; Arcanine is a legendary pokemon according to it's pokedex entry, thus #6 should be Togekiss (90.83) given legendaries are excluded and if you also exclude the pseudo-legendaries, #2. (note that when I started writing this I had missed the non-pseudo-legendary part of Arcanine's trivia point but that does not invalidate my point that the trivia regarding to base averages needs to be refined and uniform)
--[[User:Yasamito|Yasamito]] 05:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think I fixed it. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

This IS NOT legendary. [[User:Blade Bro.|Blade Bro.]]

== New Johto Dex # for HGSS ==

According to Serebii.net, Lapras, as well as Growlithe's #s in the dex are changed. Lapras new # is 224, and Growlithe and Arcaniane are 129 and 130 respectively. o_O '''***''[[User:Supernicknobros|Super!]]''~[[User talk:Supernicknobros|Nickno]]''' 14:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arcanine originally had the name "Blaze." Where is the source? ==

Blaze is Original name of Japanese version? Or,Blaze is Original Localize name of English version?
[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:14, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
:English name.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:20, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
::Do you think that an English version is original? As for "Original name", I think about a Japanese version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:26, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I have clarified the point to specify that this is in the Red and Blue beta. Hopefully that clears things up for you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:03, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
:::: Thank you for a splendid page.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:15, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Arcanine (Pokémon)

2011-08-12T07:26:45Z

Sawamular101: /* Arcanine originally had the name "Blaze." Where is the source? */

Talk:Arcanine (Pokémon)

2011-08-12T07:18:25Z

Sawamular101: /* Arcanine originally had the name "Blaze." Where is the propaganda center? */ I thought that the word propaganda was improper. It is a mistake of the machine translation.

Talk:Arcanine (Pokémon)

2011-08-12T07:14:09Z

Sawamular101: /* Arcanine originally had the name "Blaze." Where is the propaganda center? */ new section

== Teleport? ==

I found teleport in the attack list, can someone confirm this? This doesn't make any sense, because Arcanine shouldn't be able to teleport unless it was teported by some other Pokémon. Well, its fast speed might make it look like it's teleporting, but it still doesn't make any sense. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 12:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

:In {{m|Teleport)) article, it says Arcanine can somehow learn Teleport using a TM... but I don't suppose that's a real confirmation... -[[Image:Ani026MS.gif]][[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]][[Image:Ani392MS.gif]]

::It's really, really fast. Which makes as much sense as Dodrio's jumping qualifying it for {{m|Fly}}. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

That, and the move can be learned by TM in the first generation. I remember randomly trying to teach the move once when I got it.... [[User:Tsum|Tsum]] 04:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

==Thunder Fang==

Can Arcanine learn Thunder Fang? Some other people have said it on other websites, but I cant confirm it (No DS on me) and neither Serebii nor Bulbapedia have it listed.
-Link6491
:Move tutor. Get a Heart Scale and go to the move tutor in Pastoria. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Can someone add that? I am unsure of how to. -Link6491
:It goes for many Pokémon, like Medicham and the elemental punches and stuff. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

::I just bred a Growlithe (from an Arcanine), and evolved it straight into an Arcanine, which learned Thunder Fang, Fire Fang, and Odor Sleuth. Unless this is a glitch, it seems that it can learn Thunder Fang. [[Image:Ani444MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenn1985|~Kenn]] '''[[Image:Ani444MS.gif]] 17:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Arcanine can definitely learn Thunder Fang. It learns the move at Lv.1. [[User:SharKing|SharKing]] 21:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)SharKing

== New Picture ==
Hey guys. In the anime apearances theres that picture from "On Cloud Arcanine". That pictures not very good in my opinion and if I find a better one, can I change it? [[User:Hatsumi|Hatsumi]] 15:40, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Hatsumi
:Well, I put it up there. I hope it looks OK [[User:Hatsumi|Hatsumi]] 15:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Hatsumi

== Legendary ==

This article says "Because of its high stats, its species, and the fact that it was illustrated in an ancient slab along with the legendary birds in the second episode, it can be assumed that Arcanine was originally planned to be part of the legendary trio in first generation games; possibly even the birds' trio master."
I just don't like that "it can be assumed". I don't think that is nearly enough evidence for it to be "assumed". Maybe "it is possible that", but I don't agree that it can be "assumed". I mean, the fact that Dragonite has higher total base stats than it, isn't that quite major evidence that it was never going to be legendary? And I think it was only featured on that slab because its species name is "Legendary", and we know well that species names mean nothing. For example, we don't say that Slowbro has anything to do with a crab because it is a "Hermit Crab" pokemon. I admit that this is evidence for it possibly being a legendary, but I really don't think it can be "assumed". Sorry to be really specific about this, but I think a one word change would actually make a fairly major difference.[[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 15:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

:I think it has Legendary status because of all the supposed stories on it. I believe in the Anime they made references to its "supposed" legendary speed and what not. Thats really all I can offer. [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]]

== Trivia: Slaking/Arcanine Average Base Stat Ranking ==

[[Arcanine (Pokémon)]]'s Trivia section: "Arcanine has the second-highest base stat average of any non-legendary and non-pseudo-legendary Pokémon, next to Slaking."

[[Slaking (Pokémon)]]'s Trivia section: "Slaking has the second highest base stat average of any non-legendary Pokémon."

[[List of Pokémon by base stats]]'s Table (condensed to relevant non-legendaries):

Pokemon Base Average

Slaking 111.67

Tyranitar 100.00

Metagross 100.00

Dragonite 100.00

Salamence 100.00

Garchomp 100.00

Arcanine 92.50

There are a number of issues with this.
Firstly and most obviously is that these trivia notes contradict each other.
Second is that, arguably, neither of these are true in the first place. Slaking is #1, not #2, and Arcanine is #6 (disregarding "and non-pseudo-legendary Pokémon" in the trivia note) behind Garchomp, Salamence, Dragonite, Metagross, Tryanitar and Slaking but for one thing; Arcanine is a legendary pokemon according to it's pokedex entry, thus #6 should be Togekiss (90.83) given legendaries are excluded and if you also exclude the pseudo-legendaries, #2. (note that when I started writing this I had missed the non-pseudo-legendary part of Arcanine's trivia point but that does not invalidate my point that the trivia regarding to base averages needs to be refined and uniform)
--[[User:Yasamito|Yasamito]] 05:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think I fixed it. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

This IS NOT legendary. [[User:Blade Bro.|Blade Bro.]]

== New Johto Dex # for HGSS ==

According to Serebii.net, Lapras, as well as Growlithe's #s in the dex are changed. Lapras new # is 224, and Growlithe and Arcaniane are 129 and 130 respectively. o_O '''***''[[User:Supernicknobros|Super!]]''~[[User talk:Supernicknobros|Nickno]]''' 14:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arcanine originally had the name "Blaze." Where is the propaganda center? ==

Blaze is Original name of Japanese version? Or,Blaze is Original Localize name of English version?
[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:14, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Arcanine (Pokémon)

2011-08-12T06:56:41Z

Sawamular101: /* Origin */

{{PokémonPrevNextHead | species=Arcanine | prev=Growlithe | next=Poliwag | type=fire | prevnum=058 | nextnum=060 }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Arcanine |
jname=ウインディ |
tmname=Windie |
art=FRLG |
size=180px |
pron=<sc>ar-kuh-''nine''</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
ndex=059 |
oldjdex=128 |
jdex=130 |
hdex=246 |
fbrow=145 |
abrow=066 |
typen=1 |
type1=Fire |
type2= |
species=Legendary |
height-ftin=6'03" |
height-m=1.9 |
weight-lbs=341.7 |
weight-kg=155.0 |
abilityn=2 |
ability1=Intimidate |
ability2=Flash Fire |
abilityd=Justified |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Field |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=20 |
evat=2 |
expyield=213 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=63|
color=Brown |
catchrate=75 |
body=08 |
pokefordex=arcanine |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Arcanine''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ウインディ''' ''Windie'') is a {{type2|Fire}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Growlithe}} when exposed to a {{evostone|Fire Stone}}.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Arcanine is a canine-like Pokémon that resembles the mythical Ryukyuan {{wp|Shisa}} (a cross between a lion and a dog). Its head is covered in a cream-colored hair, except for the region around its eyes and ears, which is orange. Its body is a combination of the same orange fur with black stripes and completely black fur on its belly. It also has patches of cream-colored fur on its chest, legs and tail, resembling smoke. Its paws each have three toes and a round pink pawpad underneath.

====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
Arcanine can spit large trails of flame, as well as run with {{m|ExtremeSpeed|extreme speed}}. Like other Fire-type Pokémon, Arcanine has a flame (or possibly a flame sac) within its body. Arcanine is also capable of learning a variety of fang-based moves such as {{m|Thunder Fang}}, {{m|Fire Fang}}, {{m|Crunch}}, etc. Since Arcanine is now fully evolved, it is also capable of learning powerful moves such as {{m|Hyper Beam}} and {{m|Giga Impact}}.

On rare occaisions, Arcanine have been known to wield powerful Dragon-Type attacks such as {{m|Dragon Rage}}, {{m|DragonBreath}}, and {{m|Dragon Pulse}}.

===Behavior===
Arcanine are prized Pokémon, admired due to many people thinking of it as beautiful and regal. Arcanine has been depicted to stash food (such as Pecha Berries) in the voluminous fur of its mane, fishing the food out for its Growlithe youngsters to eat at its nest.

===Habitat===
[[File:Grassland.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Grassland Pokémon}}]]
Arcanine live in active volcanoes, grassy plains, and scorched fields heated by geothermal energy. They have also been depicted to live in mountains. It is found within the same range that {{p|Growlithe}} are found, which includes [[Kanto]], [[Johto]], [[Sinnoh]], [[Fiore]], [[Almia]] and {{wp|People's Republic of China|China}}.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
 

==In the anime==
[[File:Gary Arcanine.png|250px|right|thumb|Arcanine in the anime]]
===Major appearances===
====[[Gary's Arcanine]]====
[[Gary Oak]] has an Arcanine that was first seen in ''[[EP063|The Battle of the Badge]]'' battling {{an|Giovanni}}. He used it later to help him in the [[Extreme Pokémon Race]] in ''[[EP228|Extreme Pokémon!]]'' against [[Ash's Bayleef]] and various other Pokémon.

====Other====
Arcanine and its pre-evolution, {{p|Growlithe}}, have often been seen being used as [[Officer Jenny's Growlithe|police dogs]].

{{Ash}} battled an Arcanine in ''[[EP076|Fire and Ice]]''. This Arcanine was under the ownership of [[Pete Pebbleman]] and was his final Pokémon. Despite the type disadvantage, Pete's Arcanine easily defeated [[Ash's Kingler]] by dodging its {{m|Bubble}} attack and using {{m|Dragon Rage}}. {{AP|Pikachu}} managed to defeat the Arcanine with a {{m|Thunderbolt}} attack after the Ice Field melted due to Arcanine's {{m|Fire Blast}}.

In ''[[EP190|The Stolen Stones]]'', two Trainers named [[Ramona]] and [[Keegan]] had three Arcanine, one under the ownership of Keegan and two under his sister Ramona. They were using the {{type2|Fire}} Pokémon to deliver some {{evostone|Fire Stone}}s to be used as prizes for a local Fire-Pokémon tournament. The two Trainers used their Arcanine to save Ash, {{an|Misty}}, and {{an|Brock}} from falling off a cliff.

In ''[[AG139|On Cloud Arcanine]]'', [[Drew]] and {{an|May}} wanted to capture an Arcanine for using in a [[Pokémon Contest]]. When it was discovered that the Pokémon had a litter of {{p|Growlithe}} puppies to take care of, the two rivals decided to leave Arcanine alone.

In ''[[AG153|Tactics Theatrics!!]]'', {{FB|Dome Ace|Tucker}} uses the "Fiery Fleet Footed" Arcanine and {{p|Swampert}}, "The Water and Ground Champion," to {{pkmn|battle}} against [[Ash's Swellow]] and {{AP|Corphish}}.

In ''[[DP168|Keeping In Top Forme!]]'', [[Marley]] owns an Arcanine.

===Minor appearances===
In ''[[EP002|Pokémon Emergency!]]'', Arcanine was one of the four legendary Pokémon on the tablet at the Viridian City Pokémon Center.

In ''[[EP228|Extreme Pokémon!]]'', an Arcanine appeared with its Trainer in a field by [[Eggseter]].

In ''[[DP020|Mutiny in the Bounty!]]'', [[Officer Jenny]] used an Arcanine to track down [[J|Pokémon Hunter J]].

An Arcanine appeared in ''[[DP086|Arriving in Style!]]''.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Johto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP190|Arcanine|Ash's Pokédex|Arcanine, a Legendary Pokémon. The evolved form of {{p|Growlithe}}. Arcanine is known for its bravery and fierce loyalty. Growlithe evolves into Arcanine from use of a Fire Stone.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Johto}}
{{Animedexheader|Emerald}}
{{Animedexbody|AG139|Arcanine|Ash's Pokédex|Arcanine, the Legendary Pokémon. Arcanine runs so smoothly that it appears to be flying and is known for its majestic cry.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Advanced Generation''|Emerald}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{main|Archy}}
In [[Pokémon Adventures]], [[Blaine]] is seen to have an Arcanine from a flashback in {{PAV|3}}, when he recalls a confrontation with [[Team Rocket]].

{{adv|Crystal}} has an [[Archy|Arcanine]], whom she uses for transport at times. It is able to hit targets fast and hard using its {{m|ExtremeSpeed}}. As explained in a flashback in {{PAV|11}}, Arcanine was a [[wild Pokémon]] from [[Mt. Mortar]] whose left eye was injured five years ago. The cause is revealed to be a {{p|Larvitar}} prankster, whom Crystal manages to capture and regain the confidence that was ruined by her failed capture of {{p|Suicune}}.

In {{PAV|9}}, {{adv|Blue}} captured a wild Arcanine that he added to his gym team and trained to the point of being able to defeat any challenger without its Trainer present, again leaving no doubt that he is fittingly named the '''Trainer'''.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Arcanine (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=fire
|gen=1
|redbluedex=A Pokémon that has been admired since the past for its beauty. It runs {{m|Agility|agilely}} as if on wings.
|yellowdex=A legendary Pokémon in {{wp|China}}. Many people are charmed by its grace and beauty while running.
|stadiumdex=A Pokémon whose beauty is legendary in China. It is said to run gracefully and lightly, as if it were flying.
|golddex=This legendary Chinese Pokémon is considered magnificent. Many people are enchanted by its grand mane.
|silverdex=Its magnificent bark conveys a sense of majesty. Anyone hearing it can't help but grovel before it.
|crystaldex=An ancient picture scroll shows that people were attracted to its movement as it ran through prairies.
|stadium2dex=This legendary Chinese Pokémon is considered magnificent. Many people are enchanted by its grand mane.
|rsdex=Arcanine is known for its high speed. It is said to be capable of running over {{tt|6,200 miles|10,000km}} in a single day and night. The fire that blazes wildly within this Pokémon's body is its source of power.
|emeralddex=This fleet-footed Pokémon is said to run over {{tt|6,200 miles|10,000km}} in a single day and night. The fire that blazes wildly within its body is its source of power.
|firereddex=A Pokémon that is described in Chinese legends. It is said to race at an {{m|ExtremeSpeed|unbelievable speed}}.
|leafgreendex=A Pokémon that has long been admired for its beauty. It runs agilely as if on wings.
|dpptdex=Its proud and regal appearance has captured the hearts of people since long ago.
|heartgolddex=This legendary Chinese Pokémon is considered magnificent. Many people are enchanted by its grand mane.
|soulsilverdex=Its magnificent bark conveys a sense of majesty. Anyone hearing it can't help but grovel before it.
|bwdex=Its proud and regal appearance has captured the hearts of people since long ago.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=fire |
gen=1 |
rbarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
gen1ex=red|
yarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
gsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
gen2ex=gold|
carea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
gen3ex=frlg |
frlgarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
frlgex=firered |
xdarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
dparea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
ptarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
hgssarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}} |
hgssex=heartgold|
palarea=Field |
gen5ex=none |
bwarea=[[Poké Transfer]] or {{pkmn|Dream World}} |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=fire
|snap=[[Pokémon Island Volcano|Volcano]]
|pinball=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}}
|trozei=Endless Level 74 Endless Level 24 Pair Trozei [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Growlithe}}
|ranger=[[Jungle Relic]]
|md2=[[Giant Volcano]] (1F-19F) [[Dark Crater]] (B7-B15) [[Dark Crater Pit]] (B1-B14) [[Shimmer Hill]] (1F-17F)
|ranger2=[[Altru Tower]] [[Oil Field Hideout]]
|scramble=[[Fiery Furnace]]
|pokepark=[[Granite Zone]]
}}

===Held items===
{{HeldItems|type=fire
|rby1=Ice Berry|rby1type=Berries (Generation II)|rby1rar=33|rby1image=no
|event1=Charcoal|event1type=Type-enhancing item|event1rar=100
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP= 90 |
Attack=110 |
Defense=80 |
SpAtk= 100 |
SpDef= 80 |
Special=80 |
Speed= 95 |
type=Fire }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Fire
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=5
|Power=4
|PowerMax=5
|Technique=1
|TechniqueMax=2
|Stamina=2
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=3
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=fire|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 50 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 200 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 50 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
notes=yes|
flashfire=maybe|
newfire=½|
gen1fire=yes|
oldice=1|}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Arcanine|Fire|Fire|5|1}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Thunder Fang|Electric|Physical|65|95|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Fire Fang|Fire|Physical|65|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Odor Sleuth|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|39|ExtremeSpeed|Normal|Physical|80|100|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Arcanine|Fire|Fire|5|1}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Arcanine|Fire|Fire|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM28|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM43|Flame Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM50|Overheat|Fire|Special|140|90|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|75|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM67|Retaliate|Normal|Physical|70|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM95|Snarl|Dark|Special|55|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Arcanine|Fire|Fire|5|1}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Arcanine|fire|fire|5|1}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}{{MSP|363|Spheal}}{{MSP|364|Sealeo}}{{MSP|365|Walrein}}{{MSP|432|Purugly}}|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|057|Primeape}}{{MSP|335|Zangoose}}{{MSP|391|Monferno}}{{MSP|392|Infernape}}{{MSP|448|Lucario}}|Close Combat|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|057|Primeape}}{{MSP|216|Teddiursa}}{{MSP|217|Ursaring}}{{MSP|263|Zigzagoon}}{{MSP|264|Linoone}} {{MSP|287|Slakoth}}{{MSP|288|Vigoroth}}{{MSP|289|Slaking}}{{MSP|300|Skitty}}{{MSP|301|Delcatty}}|Covet|Normal|Physical|60|100|40}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|019|Rattata}}{{MSP|020|Raticate}}{{MSP|024|Arbok}}{{MSP|058|Growlithe}}{{MSP|059|Arcanine}}{{MSP|203|Girafarig}} {{MSP|209|Snubbull}}{{MSP|210|Granbull}}{{MSP|228|Houndour}}{{MSP|229|Houndoom}}{{MSP|261|Poochyena}}{{MSP|262|Mightyena}} {{MSP|295|Exploud}}{{MSP|303|Mawile}}{{MSP|336|Seviper}}{{MSP|365|Walrein}}{{MSP|403|Shinx}}{{MSP|404|Luxio}} {{MSP|405|Luxray}}{{MSP|419|Floatzel}}{{MSP|449|Hippopotas}}{{MSP|450|Hippowdon}}{{MSP|504|Patrat}}{{MSP|505|Watchog}} {{MSP|506|Lillipup}}{{MSP|507|Herdier}}{{MSP|508|Stoutland}}{{MSP|511|Pansage}}{{MSP|512|Simisage}}{{MSP|513|Pansear}} {{MSP|514|Simisear}}{{MSP|515|Panpour}}{{MSP|516|Simipour}}{{MSP|551|Sandile}}{{MSP|552|Krokorok}}{{MSP|553|Krookodile}} {{MSP|559|Scraggy}}{{MSP|560|Scrafty}}|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|2}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|019|Rattata}}{{MSP|020|Raticate}}{{MSP|155|Cyndaquil}}{{MSP|156|Quilava}}{{MSP|157|Typhlosion}}{{MSP|231|Phanpy}} {{MSP|232|Donphan}}{{MSP|300|Skitty}}{{MSP|301|Delcatty}}{{MSP|322|Numel}}{{MSP|323|Camerupt}}{{MSP|327|Spinda}} {{MSP|449|Hippopotas}}{{MSP|450|Hippowdon}}{{MSP|585|Deerling}}{{MSP|586|Sawsbuck}}|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|135|Jolteon}}{{MSP|256|Combusken}}{{MSP|257|Blaziken}} {{MSP|585|Deerling}}{{MSP|586|Sawsbuck}}|Double Kick|Fighting|Physical|30|100|30}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|037|Vulpix}}{{MSP|038|Ninetales}}{{MSP|077|Ponyta}}{{MSP|078|Rapidash}}{{MSP|136|Flareon}}{{MSP|255|Torchic}} {{MSP|256|Combusken}}{{MSP|257|Blaziken}}{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}{{MSP|390|Chimchar}}{{MSP|391|Monferno}}{{MSP|392|Infernape}} {{MSP|631|Heatmor}}|Fire Spin|Fire|Special|35|85|15|Beauty|0||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|058|Growlithe}}{{MSP|059|Arcanine}}{{MSP|077|Ponyta}}{{MSP|078|Rapidash}}{{MSP|256|Combusken}}{{MSP|257|Blaziken}} {{MSP|391|Monferno}}{{MSP|392|Infernape}}{{MSP|498|Tepig}}{{MSP|499|Pignite}}{{MSP|500|Emboar}}{{MSP|554|Darumaka}} {{MSP|555|Darmanitan}}|Flare Blitz|Fire|Physical|120|100|15|Smart|2||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|058|Growlithe}}{{MSP|059|Arcanine}}{{MSP|324|Torkoal}}|Heat Wave|Fire|Special|100|90|10|Beauty|2||'''}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|228|Houndour}}{{MSP|229|Houndoom}}{{MSP|261|Poochyena}}{{MSP|262|Mightyena}}{{MSP|293|Whismur}}{{MSP|294|Loudred}} {{MSP|295|Exploud}}{{MSP|309|Electrike}}{{MSP|310|Manectric}}|Howl|Normal|Status|—|—|40|Cool|0}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|023|Ekans}}{{MSP|024|Arbok}}{{MSP|032|Nidoran♂}}{{MSP|033|Nidorino}}{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|052|Meowth}} {{MSP|053|Persian}}{{MSP|086|Seel}}{{MSP|087|Dewgong}}{{MSP|111|Rhyhorn}}{{MSP|112|Rhydon}}{{MSP|464|Rhyperior}} {{MSP|161|Sentret}}{{MSP|162|Furret}}{{MSP|179|Mareep}}{{MSP|180|Flaaffy}}{{MSP|181|Ampharos}}{{MSP|335|Zangoose}} {{MSP|336|Seviper}}{{MSP|417|Pachirisu}}{{MSP|434|Stunky}}{{MSP|435|Skuntank}}{{MSP|495|Snivy}}{{MSP|496|Servine}} {{MSP|497|Serperior}}{{MSP|504|Patrat}}{{MSP|505|Watchog}}{{MSP|572|Minccino}}{{MSP|573|Cinccino}}{{MSP|587|Emolga}}|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|||*}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|196|Espeon}}|Morning Sun|Normal|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|0|||HGSS}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|034|Nidoking}}{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|057|Primeape}}{{MSP|128|Tauros}}{{MSP|216|Teddiursa}}{{MSP|217|Ursaring}} {{MSP|327|Spinda}}{{MSP|522|Blitzle}}{{MSP|523|Zebstrika}}{{MSP|551|Sandile}}{{MSP|552|Krokorok}}{{MSP|553|Krookodile}} {{MSP|554|Darumaka}}{{MSP|555|Darmanitan}}{{MSP|613|Cubchoo}}{{MSP|614|Beartic}}{{MSP|626|Bouffalant}}|Thrash|Normal|Physical|120|100|10|Tough|2}}{{learnlist/breedf|Arcanine|fire|fire|5|1}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Arcanine|Fire|Fire|5|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Arcanine|Fire|Fire|5|1}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{Learnlist/prevoh|Arcanine|Fire|Fire|5|1}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|058|Growlithe|||||Ember|Fire|Special|40|100|25|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|058|Growlithe|||||Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|058|Growlithe|||||Helping Hand|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|058|Growlithe|||||Flame Wheel|Fire|Physical|60|100|25|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|058|Growlithe|||||Reversal|Fighting|Physical|—|100|15}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|058|Growlithe|||||Flame Burst|Fire|Special|70|100|15|'''}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|058|Growlithe|||||Take Down|Normal|Physical|90|85|20}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|058|Growlithe|||||Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|058|Growlithe|||||Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|10}}
{{Learnlist/prevo5|058|Growlithe|d||||Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{Learnlist/prevof|Arcanine|Fire|Fire|5|1}}

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====
*{{m|Quick Attack}} {{ic|Normal}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=fire |
ndex=059 |
pinball=Evolve |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=Evolve |
area=Scorched Plains |
P1=No one can keep up with my speed! |
P2=My health has dropped to half. Better be careful. |
P3=It's no good... I can't build up my speed anymore... |
PL=All right! That's a level up! I'll go for it! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Fire |
assist=Fire |
fieldpower=3 |
field=Burn |
loop=7 |
MinEXP=140 |
MaxEXP=190 |
browser=Arcanine moves at blurring speeds while breathing powerful flames. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-12 |
iq=C |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Fire |
assist2=Fire |
field2=Burn |
field2power=4 |
browser2=It blasts out expanding rings of fire. It also throws tackles to attack. |
Pad=Arcanine keeps the [[Granite Zone]] free of suspicious Pokémon. He's a dashing expert at {{P|Bulbasaur}}'s Daring Dash. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=058
|name1=Growlithe
|type1-1=Fire
|evotype1=Stone
|evostone1=Fire Stone
|sprite2=059
|name2=Arcanine
|type1-2=Fire}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=fire|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=059|
name=Arcanine|
}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Legend-birds-slab.jpg|thumb|right|Engravings of "Legendary Pokémon" {{p|Moltres}}, {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, and Arcanine in [[EP002]]]]
* Arcanine originally had the name "Blaze."
** If this had happened, it would have been the only Pokémon with the same name as {{a|Blaze|an Ability}}.
* Arcanine is the only Pokémon with a stat total of 555.
** Arcanine has the highest base stats of any non-legendary Fire-type Pokémon.
* Arcanine has the third-highest base stat total of any non-legendary and non-[[pseudo-legendary]] Pokémon, next to {{p|Slaking}} and {{p|Archeops}}. This also makes it the Pokémon with the highest base stat total to be neither a legendary nor a pseudo-legendary and not have a hindering ability.
* Arcanine's Pokédex entry for {{game|Yellow}} connects the Pokémon world with the real world. It says "A legendary Pokémon in {{wp|China}}. Many people are charmed by its grace and beauty while running."
** Since Yellow, however, it has been referenced a lot, specifically in its [[Pokédex]] entries in {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}}, {{game|Gold and Silver|s|Pokémon Gold}}, {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s|Pokémon FireRed}}, and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s|Pokémon HeartGold}}. Coincidentally, it is a [[version-exclusive Pokémon]] in all of those games other than Yellow and Stadium.
* In [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]], it describes itself as having a speed that no one can match, but it is tied at the 103rd fastest Pokémon with 23 others. However, this may refer to one of its moves, {{m|ExtremeSpeed}}.
* Although its species is the Legendary Pokémon, it is not a true {{pkmn2|legendary}}, and is not even considered a [[pseudo-legendary]].

===Origin===
Arcanine is based on the Ryukyuan {{wp|Shisa|シーサー ''shisa''}}, or {{wp|koma-inu|''koma-inu''}}. They are mythical creatures that take inspiration from lions, tigers, and dogs. Statues of them in pairs are used as guardians and to invite good luck. It could also be based on the {{wp|Haetae}}, a mythical fire-eating dog with similarities to lions and tigers.

===Name origin===
Arcanine's name is a combination of ''arcane'', meaning mysterious or secret, and ''{{wp|canine}}'', meaning dog. Windie may refer to ''wind'' or ''windy'', because this Pokémon runs like a wind as if it was flying and at great speed.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="background: #{{fire color}}; border: 3px solid #{{fire color dark}}"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{fire color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Arkani
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Arcanin
| From ''ardent'' and ''{{tt|canin|canine}}''.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 윈디 ''Windi''
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 風速狗 / 风速狗 ''Fēngsùgǒu''
| Literally "Wind speed dog".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 奉神犬 ''Fuhngsānhyún''
| Literally "Follow God dog".
|}
|-
|}
 

==Related articles==
*[[Gary's Arcanine]]


==External links==
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Growlithe | next=Poliwag | type=fire | prevnum=058 | nextnum=060 }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon that are included in the Japan-only Pokémon Stadium]]

[[de:Arkani]]
[[es:Arcanine]]
[[fr:Arcanin]]
[[it:Arcanine]]
[[ja:ウインディ]]
[[pl:Arcanine]]
[[pt:Arcanine (pokémon)]]

Shopping Mall Nine

2011-08-11T08:19:41Z

Sawamular101: /* Trainers */

{{incomplete}}
{{Infobox location
|image=Shopping Mall R9.png
|type=building
|location_name=Shopping Mall Nine
|japanese_name=ショッピングモールアールナイン
|translated_name=Shopping Mall R9
|location={{rt|9|Unova}}
|region=Unova
|generation={{Gen|V}}
|map=Unova Route 9 Map.png
}}

'''Shopping Mall Nine''' (Japanese: '''ショッピングモールアールナイン''' ''Shopping Mall R9'') is the largest shopping center in the [[Unova]] region. It is located on {{rt|9|Unova}}, just outside [[Opelucid City]]. The store offers a wide variety of [[items]] on its three floors. {{sign|bwbuilding|Shopping Mall Nine|Colorful and Wonderful!}}

==Layout==
Like former [[Department Store]]s, all the individual stalls are set within different floors. However, unlike former department stores, staircases are used to access the different floors, in contrast to escalators, and the entirety of the shop, excluding the storage room, is located within a single map, meaning there is no need for elevators like in previous department stores. As a result, it is far quicker to access different floors of the Shopping Mall Nine than in past department stores.

==Sections==
===Bottom Section===
{{shop|Cashier}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Potion|300}}|{{shopitem|Super Potion|700}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Hyper Potion|1200}}|{{shopitem|Max Potion|2500}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Revive|1500}}|{{shopitem|Antidote|100}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Parlyz Heal|200}}|{{shopitem|Burn Heal|250}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Ice Heal|200}}|{{shopitem|Awakening|250}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Full Heal|600}}|{{shopitem|Escape Rope|550}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Poké Toy|1000}}|{{shopitem|Awakening|250}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Repel|350}}|{{shopitem|Super Repel|500}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Max Repel|700}}}}
{{shopfooter}}

====Trainers====
{{trainerheader|building}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Waitress.png|Waitress|Flo|1440|2|572|Minccino|♀|36|None|549|Lilligant|♀|36|None|36=ミサト|37=Misato}}
{{trainerfooter|building|5}}

===Middle Section===
{{shop|Left Cashier}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Poké Ball|200}}|{{shopitem|Great Ball|600}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Ultra Ball|1200}}|{{shopitem|Heal Ball|300}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Net Ball|1000}}|{{shopitem|Nest Ball|1000}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Dusk Ball|1000}}|{{shopitem|Quick Ball|1000}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Timer Ball|1000}}|{{shopitem|Greet Mail|50}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Favored Mail|50}}|{{shopitem|RSVP Mail|50}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Thanks Mail|50}}|{{shopitem|Inquiry Mail|50}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Like Mail|50}}|{{shopitem|Reply Mail|50}}}}
{{shopfooter|multiple=yes}}
{{shop|Right Cashier}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM15|90000|PD||TM Normal|Hyper Beam}}|{{shopitem|TM68|90000|PD||TM Normal|Giga Impact}}}}
{{shopfooter}}

====Trainers====
{{trainerheader|building}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Rich Boy.png|Rich Boy|Manuel|5760|1|510|Liepard|♂|36|None|36=ヨシヒコ|37=Yoshihiko}}
{{trainerfooter|building|5}}

===Top Section===
{{shop|Left Cashier}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Protein|9800}}|{{shopitem|Iron|9800}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Calcium|9800}}|{{shopitem|Zinc|9800}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Carbos|9800}}|{{shopitem|HP Up|9800}}}}
{{shopfooter|multiple=yes}}
{{shop|Right Cashier}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|X Speed|350}}|{{shopitem|X Attack|500}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|X Defend|550}}|{{shopitem|Guard Spec.|700}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Dire Hit|650}}|{{shopitem|X Accuracy|950}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|X Special|350}}|{{shopitem|X Sp. Def|350}}}}
{{shopfooter}}

====Vending Machines====
{{shop|[[Vending machine]]}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Fresh Water|200}}|{{shopitem|Soda Pop|300}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Lemonade|350}}}}
{{shopfooter}}

====Trainers====
{{trainerheader|building}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Waiter.png|Waiter|Bert|1440|2|572|Minccino|♂|36|None|608|Lampent|♂|36|None|36=テルミ|37=Terumi}}
{{trainerdiv|building}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Lady.png|Lady|Isabel|5760|1|508|Stoutland|♀|36|None|36=キミコ|37=Kimiko}}
{{trainerfooter|building|5}}

==Items==
{{Itlisth|building}}
{{Itlistbod|PP Up|Inside the storage room|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Thunderstone|Gift from the Worker on the top section|BW}}
{{Itlistfoot|building}}

==Storage room==
[[File:Rotoms Room BW.png|thumb|right|250px|Basement]]
On the lower level of the store, there is a storage room on the right filled with boxes. The player can interact with any box to change {{p|Rotom}}'s form, similar to [[Rotom's Room]].

==Trivia==
* Shopping Mall Nine is the only store that sells regular Trainer merchandise that is located outside of a city.
* This is the first large store not to carry the [[Department Store]] name. This reflects [[Unova]]'s isolation from the other known regions.
* Despite Department Stores having been known for their TM selection, the Shopping Mall Nine only sells [[TM15|two]] [[TM68|TMs]].

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|building}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|building}}
|fr_eu=Centre commercial R9
|de=Kaufhaus 9
|it=Magazzini Nove
|es_eu=Centro Comercial R9}}

{{-}}
{{Dept}}
{{Unova}}
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Unova locations]]
[[Category:Black and White locations]]

[[de:Kaufhaus 9]]
[[fr:Centre commercial R9]]
[[ja:ショッピングモール R9]]

Talk:Pokémon world/Archive 1

2011-08-09T23:44:21Z

Sawamular101: /* Does the Pokemon look like the world of the monotheism in an English version? */

There's a nonexistent picture linked in the Culture section. Could someone remove it?[[User:Yinyang107|Yinyang107]] 20:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

hi...i am the submitter of the edited version of the in game maps to make into one map and i fixed the file and uploaded the new file but the thumbnail on this page wont change...if nayobdy could help it would...well, help
thanks!
[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|100px|The end result]]
:Sure thing. Changing an image's size is easy. Now, here's the data as written on the page:
:<blockquote><nowiki>[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]</nowiki></blockquote>
:It's simple enough. You just have to know the size. For example, to reduce it to a 100 pixel picture, just add (shown in bold):
:<blockquote><nowiki>[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|</nowiki>'''100px|'''<nowiki>A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]</nowiki></blockquote>
:The end result is shown to the right. This can be done for any picture, and of varying sizes. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't seem to remove the image from the page due to some kind of database error, but it needs to be taken off. It's pure fanon. We can't know what the entire Pokemon World looks like in the games, and there is definitely NO evidence suggesting Sinnoh is connected to Kanto/Johto. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Yes there is. In the animé, they say that Sinnoh is to the north of Kanto.

No, Sinnoh is not connected to Johto/Kanto regions because it has a very diferent variation of pokemon (nothing like Johto/Kanto regions pokémon) and if the regions were connected the pokemon from Sinnoh would mix with the pokémon from Johto/Kanto (it means that we would be able to see Piplups, Chimchars, Turtwigs, Buizels, Bunearys, Pachirisus, Starlys (and other pokémon that are being showned only in Sinnoh in the anime)in Kanto and Johto regions too, but it has'nt happened because the Sinnoh and the Johto/Kanto regions are '''sepperated''' from each other the way that the Hoen region is (In "Home is where the start is" Ash told: Sinnoh '''island''', here I come!).And where are the Orange islands in that so called "map" at the top right of the page?--[[User:Tomas|Tomas]] 10:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, just as Hoenn is west of Kanto. It's a separate island. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
There isn't any evidence that Sinnoh is an island though, so each person can make up his/her own mind about whether it is on the same landmass as Kanto/Johto or not until official evidence is revealed.

Precisely. Everything on the wiki should be official. Keeping it up makes it look like we know when we don't. We just shouldn't have a map at all. It's interesting, but it has no place here. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Is there any official evidence that contradicts the map?
 
And even if you are right, the map shouldn't be removed, just edited to not have Sinnoh.

Well there's certainly no evidence that supports it. The anime pictures deliberately separate Hoenn, Kanto/Johto, and Sinnoh with clouds because even ''they'' don't know what it's supposed to look like in its entirety. If we are going to have a fan-made map of these regions, we should at least follow suit and keep them separate. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Why aren't you against having shipping articles on Bulbapedia? They are ''entirely'' fanon, and that map is only partially fanon.
:Because Game Freak themselves have implied that Sinnoh is a separate landmass from Johto/Kanto. Sure you can't see the very southernmost point of Sinnoh, but nor can you see the very easternmost part or northernmost point. You certainly had no problem assuming that to the west was water, so why not leave it to the fact that, oh, I dunno... Sinnoh, Kanto/Johto, and Hoenn are based off of real locations, and they're separate landmasses in the real world. Sure, Game Freak takes liberties, but really, if they were connected, couldn't Ash have walked there from Pallet like he did to Johto? He never walked to Hoenn, that's a separate landmass, therefore, in my eyes, Sinnoh is as well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Ash took a boat because it is easier than walking.
:Then why didn't he to get to Johto? If he took a boat from Pallet, it'd have to go all the way around the landmass to get to Twinleaf. Also, it's better to sign your comments so I know who's saying what. Use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
He would have to go over the Kanto/Johto mountain range and the Sinnoh range to get to Twinleaf Town from Pewter City.[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
:He'd have to go past Mt. Silver to get to Johto. Don't see much real difference at all, especially since he showed no problem getting to anywhere else in Kanto. Sinnoh's separate in the anime interpretation of the map, so therefore, my vote is that it's an island, or at the very least, not on the same landmass as Kanto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

While I know it's not official, I at least think it's important to point out the most popular theory for how the Pokémon world is layed out, because I don't think this person is familiar with it, and he needs to see a good conflicting viewpoint.
[http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3536/mapyp2.gif Click for giant pic.]
Sinnoh being to the north is still there, as it is in your created picture. The games/anime never say to the IMMEDIATE north. And as for Hoenn, they don't particularly label the areas North/South/East/West, so it still could be relevant.

All that aside, that is why your map doesn't belong here. Hoenn and Sinnoh are in locations we can't confirm so far, so we have to keep away from maps that assume that.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 02:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Submitter here:
thats true that i did a pretty bad job making that part up...but i got rid of sinnoh and the photoshopped stuff in this version: [http://www.geocities.com/bill33421/allregions.PNG click for edited map] anyways...that map ([http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3536/mapyp2.gif Click for giant pic.]) is interesting and proves your point that we have no idea where they all are...maybe we can send nintendo a letter or email or something to show us the official map of all the regions...
for the first persons response...that was not the problem i was trying to fix but whatever...good to know...and...if you dont like ''that'' version then you can try [http://www.geocities.com/bill33421/kantojohtoislands.png this one.]
you know what...you guys should create a page just to display fan art!
then we could put those there! {{unsigned|Bill33421}}

:We're a Pokémon Encyclopedia, not a Fan Art site. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 02:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

yeah well you dont have to be so mean about it...humph

:If I came off as being mean, then I apologize. I just meant that it's unlikely we'll have a page for displaying user's fanart, since that's not what Bulbapedia does. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 03:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

But hey, if you want to include any fan-esque speculation and art, you can always make a new page under your own user directory regarding that. Agry has her own page regarding what gender each Pokémon from the anime is that I find pretty interesting, even if it's nothing we can officially have on the Wiki it.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 04:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

well fine...but i cant figure out how to make a sub page...could somebody tell me? thanks! [[User:Bill33421|Bill33421]]
:If you want a sub-page of your userpage, just put it at Bill33421/Whatever. For example, I have one of mine at [[User:TTEchidna/GSDS]].

Thx

:No, because Ash took a boat to travel there just like to Hoen(going to Sinnoh by an airship like to the Orange islandswould have been much quicker than a boat) - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Tomas}} ([[User talk:Tomas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tomas|contribs]]) ''

hoenn must be farther south because a desert would only be able exist at high temperatures, which would logically place it closer to the equator. of course Gens I and II might not have deserts because of lack of programming space.--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 18:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== THE ALL IMPORTANT QUESTION IN THE POKEMON WORLD ==

DO ANIMALS EXIST IN THIS WORLD!!! (other than the worms being eaten by Pigeotto in Episode 3)

:Yes. The episode in the Cerulean Gym shows fish swimming in the aquarium. Also, in the one with Brutella, there are fish swimming outside of the windows of the underwater resort. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[User:Shiny Noctowl/Trivia|Trivia quiz]][[Image:224MS.gif]] 21:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention that a coral reef (yes, they are classified as animals) was seen in the Manaphy movie.
:The anime has not featured real animals since early Kanto thus they are unimportant and this question is not what it was hyped up to be. (Coral is just decoration so it doesn't count even if it is officially animal.) --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

There seems to be a misconception stated in the article that only when baby Pokémon grow into their adult phase can they breed. Obviously not true. {{p|Pichu}}, evolve to {{p|Pikachu}}. Pikachu can still breed... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Pikachu is not a baby Pokémon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... some Pokémon seem to be similar to mammals, so why do they produce eggs?
Pikachu127

== Featured article ==

Only have one more section to expand and complete, then the article is finished. Do you think this article is "Featured article" worthy? If not... explain.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== I found this ==

Navegating through the internet I found this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Pok%C3%A9mon_Regions.png That changes a bit the part that says that Orre is based on Arizona. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Do you have a source for thiss??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hfc2X,
Although this is old, I would like to note that that is an accurate map. The only problem I noticed was Oree is not based off of Hiroshima Prefecture, because it doesn't have desert and No one in Japan likes to think about Hiroshima... but anyway. I think Orre ''is'' the Arizona Desert because it is the same shape and is totally desert. but thanks for sharing the map!! [[User:Sandshrew-san|Sandshrew-san]] 6:55 EDT November 17, 2009

== Has anyone seem this map before? Is it legiment? ==

There was this map I found. I think its for the TCG. Anyone seen it before?
Heres the link?
http://pojo.com/Features/Jan2002/022002Greg.html --[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 01:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:Judging from the cards depicted, it seems to be based on the Japanese TCG set [[E-Card 2 (TCG)|The Town On No Map]] (E-Card 2). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 02:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== More Real World Correlation ==

Just checked a map of Japan. Does anyone else believe it's accurate to say that the position of the Indigo Plateau corresponds to the position of Mt. Fuji in the real world? If so, it may be worth noting on the main page. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 14:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I beleive it is accurate, but not note worthy.--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 18:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:Mt. Fuji is Mt. Silver. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

== Location, Location, Location ==

We all are wondering about where the regions are, and we have little to go by (we know Kanto and Johto are beside each other and that Hoenn and Sinnoh are islands). However, I was looking at the maps and had a revelation. Look at Johto/Kanto. Far east looks like Earth's far east. We have a peninsula (Veridian) that looks like Japan, further west is a peninsula (Pallet) that looks like India, still further west is a peninsula in the approximate location of Africa. It looks a lot like Eurasia. So that got me to thinking and I realized how much Hoenn looks like Australia, so why not put it due south of Cinnabar island? Then you have Sinnoh, which has snowpoint, mountains, and looks suspiciously like Greenland, so put it westnorthwest of Johto. Then the Orange Islands can go in the general Philippines area. I know this is all speculation and vague likenesses (and I realize that the regions are based on those of Japan, not what I said), but I needed to throw the idea out there for others to see, think about, and consider.

== What's wrong with the HeartGold and SoulSilver maps of Kanto and Johto? ==

There is a tint over them?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:KantoJohtoAreas.png explanation here] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::Alright, it's new to me, so thnx.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 17:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

== In the anime.... ==

In the anime in one episode (which I don't remember the specific name of) everyone in the episode mentions Hollywood and they go there, if I remember right. So wouldn't that be evidence that the Pokémon world is really just Earth itself, but with Pokémon? {{unsigned|TheLastCharmander}}
:1) Sign your comments (with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), please. 2) Read the article, please. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 06:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

== Sun and other real-world connection stuff ==

I think the {{wp|Sun}} is another real-world reference -- not all planets have a perfectly-sized and yellowish-white sun anyway.
Besides, the {{wp|Gregorian calendar}} is also noteworthy. Together with the [[Foreign Building]], it is also a reference of {{wp|Christianity}}.
The history section is way too long, since we have another article dedicated to it. Just remove the "Magikarp mutated and became weaker", "Porygon was created in the 1990s", etc. The Kyogre and Groudun, Ho-oh and Lugia parts need to be shortened too. [[User:Rxhar|Rxhar]] 09:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Legendary dogs ==
The three legendary dogs were reincarnations of three Pokémon that died in the Tin Tower fire, and it seems that that part was completely left out. Should that be added.--[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 15:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Christian church ==

Should the episode in which the apparently Christian church appears be added to the section which mentions it? [[User:Bulbajer|Bulbajer]] 02:02, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think it's overtly Christian... It takes design elements from temples, churches, and mosques. Besides, in what capacity would it be added to the article? That the existence of such a building suggests that religion exists in the Pokémon world? It doesn't seem particularly noteworthy to me. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 02:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::Well we've got the [[Foreign Building]] in Hearthome... which episode are you talking about? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Earth in Movie 1 ==
Does anyone remember that Meowth said to his clone that they share the same EARTH!!! They live on EARTH! Although this is only the dub, I have not officially heard it in Japan. {{unsigned|Ashanddawn4evr}}

He could mean the same ''soil'' [[User:Synner|Synner]] 21:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I always thought that the world was called Pokearth instead of Pokemon World or Earth. It says so on www.serebii.net. Meowth might have meant soil or he might've shortened Pokearth to Earth.
[[User:Exsiiron|Exsiiron]] 22:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Pokéarth is just the name that Serebii gave to his locations navigation page. Nowhere does he claim that the Pokémon world is called such. It's just a contraction much like how just about any descriptive list is called <insert name of items in list>dex. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Earth ==

Isn't the planet technically Earth? It looks like Earth and they didn't say Pokémon took place in a distant galaxy. Why is it called "Pokémon World" instead of "Earth?"--[[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 16:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:Unless they specifically state it's Earth, it isn't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

:Why does the Johto dex reference earth? Poliraths entry states "This strong and skilled swimmer is even capable of crossing the '''Pacific Ocean''' just by kicking." This must mean something.[[User:DJDantae|DJDantae]] 07:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[Pokémon world in relation to the real world#Real-world locations mentioned|Yes, we know]]. There were many mentions of real places. But last I checked, "Sinnoh" is not the name of a real place. Yes, the Pokémon world was based on Earth. But it's not the same place we live in. It's never been said that they live on Earth. We can't make that assumption. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 08:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Under the "Technology" section, there is a link fail. Admins, can you please spot it and fix it? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== Minor edit request ==

Hi - in the section [[Pokémon world#Culture|Culture]], there should probably be a link to the [[Ever Grande Conference]] in the caption of the image. Thanks, ~[[User:SuperHamster|Super]][[User:SuperHamster|Hamster]] [[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]] 02:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request!! ==

Under the "Culture" section, a line reads: ''"so '''it''' plausible that the population believes in Pokémon as their religion"''.

That should probably read "it is". Admins! Get to it! [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 21:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== Multiple eggs?==

It says in the reproduction section that Pokémon will sometimes lay various eggs at a time. Is this referring to a specific episode of the anime or can you get more than one egg from a daycare center at once or what? I couldn't find anything about this in the [[Pokémon egg]] or [[Pokémon breeding]] articles. --[[User:Jared|Ja]][[User talk:Jared|red]] 04:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think it's just talking about how if you leave two Pokémon in the Day Care indefinitely, they'll continue to produce eggs (as opposed to one egg per Pokémon per stay in the Day Care). --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::I swear I once got two eggs from the same pair at the same time in Diamond. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Me too! D:--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 20:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Maybe it is possible, I haven't played any of the Gen IV games. If so, it really should say so in the breeding and/or egg articles. And I don't think it means what Zesty Cactus says, at least not the way it is written right now, with the phrase "'''at one time'''" --[[User:Jared|Ja]][[User talk:Jared|red]] 00:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I've never seen this, or heard of it happening anywhere. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Undeniable Proof that Pokemon World is OUR Earth! ==

While playing out the TRU Arceus event--where Arceus apparently creates either Dialga, Palkia or Giratina--there is a picture of our Earth (specifically the most famous picture of Earth taken by Apollo 17):

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LbtRw87uOc#t=6m13s (This is a YouTube video, the link fast-forwards the video to the point in the montage that specifically shows the Earth)

Now, it makes sense that the montage is meant to show that Arceus is in control of the life and energy on and/or in the planet they're living on... by showing the Earth in that one scehe--specifically that one very VERY well known shot of it--instead of some kind of generic blue-green planet, means to me that they are most certainly on our planet Earth.

To which, I think this piece of information should be added to the article, maybe as evidence that the Pokemon World(s) take place on Earth (OUR Earth), albeit on a different Earth akin to DC Comic's Infinite Earths system, or like on the TV show "Sliders". - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 22:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:Dammit Nick, you had me fooled. I went to my travel agent and tryed to book a flight to Saffron City but she told me that it doesn't exist. Not on our planet, anyway.

:The Pokémon world is based on our Earth, yes, we have an entire article detailing the similarities. And this should definitely be mentioned there. But claiming that this takes place on OUR Earth? Not until Google Earth will give me driving directions from LaRousse City to Oldale Town. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 07:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

::I'm pretty sure that it's a parallel world. Should this be put (but only as a possibility) either [[Pokémon world|here]] or [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|here]]??--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 14:09, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Planet Picture ==

:''An orbital view of the Pokémon world, seen in the anime. Note the striking resemblance to Earth.''
:Just because it is blue, does not mean it has a ''striking'' resemblance, the continents are very different to Earth's. However, it should be noted that Unova is shown on the planet. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== [[Pokémon world]] and [[Pokémon World]] ==

Does it bother anyone else that the two have identical titles but in different cases? One is this page, while another is a disambiguation page. I think that [[Pokémon World]] should be moved to {{red link|Pokémon World (disambiguation)}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== The world of Pokemon is based on Japanese culture. ==

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/index.php?paged=8 No.107

Because it was developer's(junichi masuda) opinion, I added it to the article. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:I think that this is a little pre-Gen V. :P [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 09:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

::In Unova, diversity is a theme. However, the developer keeps persistently putting the element of Japan.

::Skyarrow Bridge draws inspiration from the Brooklyn Bridge and {{wp|Rainbow Bridge}}(Tokyo).
::Entralink draws inspiration from the {{wp|Tokyo Imperial Palace}}.

::The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Um... If that's the source, then please link it or scan it or whatever, so that you're believable. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 16:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

:::: Someone was translating "Pokemon pia(Japanese magazine)". Is not "Nintendo Dream vol.204" translated? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

::::Setting of Unova by original(Japanese) version.

::::1 Currency＝Japanese yen.

::::2 Name of person＝Japanese name(About 70%)

::::3 name of region and City/Town＝Japanese name

::::The developer calls a Japanese version original, and says that the non-Japanese version is localize. [[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=80]]

::::I think that Japan influences it in addition. This is my guess.

::::1 Castelia City(Compound of New York and Tokyo.)

::::2 Abundant Shrine (The Shinto shrine is set up.)

::::I do not think that the influence of Japan is small in an original(Japanese) version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:09, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Obviously it's influenced by Japanese culture even in Generation V, but based on? That's a different matter entirely. Just because hints of the creators' own culture worked their way into Unova doesn't mean that Japan was still its primary basis. And the currency, character names, and town names are in Japanese in the original because that's what the Japanese audience will understand and be familiar with. Every localization changes those things to be more understandable to their target audience as well. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::Do not you esteem original? Do you know that the Pokemon is a game of Japan?

::::::AndyPKMN「Obviously it's influenced by Japanese culture even in Generation V, but based on?」

::::::Because I am not a developer, it is not possible to declare. When information is found, it brings it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:56, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Look, this is silly. You were the same one stressing months ago that Unova had the "motif" of New York City rather than being "based on" New York City. Now you're arguing the opposite, that the culture of the Pokémon World is "based on" Japanese culture rather than simply including elements of Japanese culture. Yes, the original games are Japanese, and probably drew from the experience the developers had in their own culture. But they're not averse to drawing from other cultures; indeed, the Pokémon world seems to be as varied culturally as our own (besides currency, which is kept the same in all games for consistency's sake). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::::I do not say that the Japanese culture is a base. I wanted to object that the culture of Japan was little.
::::::::Sawamular101「In Unova, diversity is a theme. However, the developer keeps persistently putting the element of Japan.」

::::::::This is my remark. If the symbol of another country is arranged, that brought the culture of another country.

::::::::If "Currency" and "Name of person" and "name of region and City/Town" is consistent, it may be called a culture.

::::::::I'm sorry in unskilled English. Is the discussion impossible?[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::::I got the impression from the third party.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:SnorlaxMonster]

::::::::I think, original is "Especial". However, there is a person who says, "not Especial", too.
::::::::Because various ideas are respected, let's concede each other. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

== Scandinavia x2? ==

I was looking around for info about Unova in the wiki, when I noticed something in this "http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Unova_world_map.png" map.

Look at the lower right corner at the map, see the continents facing each other, there you have 2 identical copies of Scandinavia (-Denmark). comments?

link for wikipedia, for those who don't know what Scandinavia is: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia"

(I am new to editing Wiki pages, so I don't know the codes yet, someone edit this so its readable, please?)
:Yeah. It looks like Scandinavia. But, this is just an anime map. It's entirely made up, it's not like GameFreak or the Anime will create future regions in that map. Also, make sure you sign your name. (Just look at the reminder above when editing. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 18:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:I just reacted to the fact that they where so near, and completely identical, its like the crators did not put any effort in it. btw, I did not get my hopes up for a Scandinavia pokemon region, I know that is less likely than, let say, a Germany based region.--[[User:Grambo|Grambo]] 19:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
::(Make sure you add another colon when replying, for example, if you will reply to my post, you need to have 3 colons). Well, because Unova is the focus of that map, so the creators didn't really pay much attention to the rest of the continents on the map. But, what were you trying to say? Did you want someone to point it out in the article?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 21:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:PokemonWorldAnime.png It's not the first time that map has appeared], so it is possible that it could be canon. The similarities are pointed out in the article for BW009, so it could be added if there is not something about it already, but you would need to check with an Admin first.
:::this is the trivia form BW009's page:
:::''When rotated 90 degrees, some continents or parts of them shown in Team Rocket's computer [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|highly resemble]] areas of the real world, such as {{wp|Greenland}}, {{wp|Fennoscandia}} & {{wp|Novaya Zemlya}}.''
:::'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Does the Pokemon look like the world of the monotheism in an English version? ==

I was surprised for Celebi not to be worshiped as a god in an English version.

Celebi(もりのかみさま/God(KAMI) of Forest) Ilex Forest shrine

Mesprit(かんじょうのかみ/God(KAMI) of feelings) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)

Uxie(ちしきのかみ/God(KAMI) of knowledge) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)

Azelf(いしのかみ/God(KAMI) of will) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)

Dialga(かみさま/God(KAMI)) Celestic Town shrine

Palkia(かみさま/God(KAMI)) Celestic Town shrine

Landorus(畑の神様/God(KAMI) of field.) Abundant Shrine

This information is described in Japanese Pokedex. It looks like polytheism in a Japanese version.

I know there is a problem in the translation of KAMI(god or spirit). However, all are same classes as KAMI when seeing from the viewpoint of Shintoism(Japanese).

Does an English version write only "Arceus" as a god? Does Pokemon's world (English version) look like the monotheism? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:59, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to say.. But I don't think we should base the whole world's belief on the known Pokemon we have. Here on Earth, are we monotheistic or polytheistic? Neither, because the world is not one. I don't think that Arceus was ever confirmed to be a "god" in the Pokemon games, at least in the english games. The games only stated that Arceus is the "creator" of the world. Big difference. As for Celebi and the others, I have no idea since I don't read Japanese. Also, ''please'' click on the "Show preview" button before pushing the "Save page" button. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 14:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

::Thank you for the instruction. I am not insisting by the guess.
::A Japanese version obviously has the element of polytheism. The shrine is called HOKORA(Small Shinto shrine). And, it is explained that a specific Pokemon is KAMI(GOD or spirit).

:: It is a setting that doesn't exist in an English version. I think that it is a big difference related to the world setting if differing from a Japanese version. I am not hostile to the monotheism. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:49, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Nothing is ever stated as actually being a god in the English games, but Arceus is the creator, thus a god.
:::What the English games state:
::::Celebi: "forest's protector" (CHGSS, on the shrine itself), "forest's guardian" (Crystal only, the girl in the Celebi event)
::::Uxie: The Being of Knowledge
::::Mespirit: The Being of Emotion
::::Azelf: The Being of Willpower
::::Dialga and Palkia: I can't really find anything, but if you gave me the Japanese sentence I could probably locate the English equivalent. At best, they are called "beings".
::::Landorus: Again, having trouble finding anything calling it something that might have been translated from ''kami'', but giving me the Japanese text may allow me to locate the English translation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:59, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::Celebi(crystal Pokedex) もりのかみさま　として　まつられる。きれいな　もりが　あるところ　そこに　セレビィは　あらわれる

:::::Uxie(diamond Pokedex) ちしきのかみ　と　よばれている。めを　あわせた　ものの　きおくを　けしてしまう　ちからを　もつという。

:::::Mespirit(diamond Pokedex) かなしみの　くるしさと　よろこびの　とうとさを　ひとびとに　おしえた。かんじょうのかみ　と　よばれている。

:::::Azelf(diamond Pokedex) いしのかみ　と　よばれている。　みずうみの　そこで　ねむりつづけ　せかいの　バランスを　とっている。

:::::Dialga(diamond Pokedex) じかんを　あやつる　ちからを　もつ。　シンオウちほうでは　かみさまと　よばれ　しんわに　とうじょうする。

:::::Palkia(diamond Pokedex) くうかんを　ゆがめる　のうりょくを　もち　シンオウちほうの　しんわでは　かみさまとして　えがかれている。

:::::Landorus(black Pokedex) ランドロスが訪れる土地は作物がたくさん実るため畑の神様と言われている。

:::::Lugia (silver Pokedex) うみのかみさま(God(KAMI) of the sea)　と　つたえられる　ポケモン。あらしのよる　すがたを　みたという　はなしが　つたえられる。

:::::There is no shrine in Lugia. "Palkia" and "Dialga" are explained deity in an English version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Oh, Pokédex entries. That makes it much easier.
:::::::Celebi: "guardian of the forest"
:::::::The [[Lake trio]] remain the same as I mentioned before (I checked their Pokédex entries already)
:::::::Dialga: "ancient deity"
:::::::Palkia: "deity"
:::::::Lugia: "guardian of the seas"
:::::::Landorus: "The Guardian of the Fields"
::::::So ''kami'' is translated as either deity, being or guardian, with only deity implying that it is a god. This is probably due to the sensitivity of mentioning religion in any fiction in the western world. However, I would like to point out that English fans refer to {{p|Tornadus}}, {{p|Thundurus}}, and {{p|Landorus}} collectively as the [[kami trio]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::I want to question you on Pokemon world(English version). Do you see it like polytheism or monotheism?

::::::::Most of the Pokemon that is called KAMI in a Japanese version is related to the shrine(hokora). Could you understand there is an element of polytheism in a Japanese version? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:28, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I understand how polytheism is more evident in the Japanese version. It seems to be more of the fact that they are worshiped rather than actually being gods. Arceus is the creator, but is nor worshiped, except perhaps by the people who built the [[Sinjoh Ruins]]. So I would believe that the people of the Pokémon world view these Pokémon as gods, but Arceus is the true creator. However, it depends on whether you restrict the status of god to being something directly involved in creation, or something that is worshiped as one. I see how both monotheism and polytheism can be interpreted from the Pokémon world. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:44, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::Thank you for the explanation. It was a happy discussion. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:16, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::The opinion of kami trio had been forgotten. I cannot propose it concerning the change in the name. I think that kami trio is a good name. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 23:44, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon world/Archive 1

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Talk:Pokémon world/Archive 1

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There's a nonexistent picture linked in the Culture section. Could someone remove it?[[User:Yinyang107|Yinyang107]] 20:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

hi...i am the submitter of the edited version of the in game maps to make into one map and i fixed the file and uploaded the new file but the thumbnail on this page wont change...if nayobdy could help it would...well, help
thanks!
[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|100px|The end result]]
:Sure thing. Changing an image's size is easy. Now, here's the data as written on the page:
:<blockquote><nowiki>[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]</nowiki></blockquote>
:It's simple enough. You just have to know the size. For example, to reduce it to a 100 pixel picture, just add (shown in bold):
:<blockquote><nowiki>[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|</nowiki>'''100px|'''<nowiki>A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]</nowiki></blockquote>
:The end result is shown to the right. This can be done for any picture, and of varying sizes. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't seem to remove the image from the page due to some kind of database error, but it needs to be taken off. It's pure fanon. We can't know what the entire Pokemon World looks like in the games, and there is definitely NO evidence suggesting Sinnoh is connected to Kanto/Johto. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Yes there is. In the animé, they say that Sinnoh is to the north of Kanto.

No, Sinnoh is not connected to Johto/Kanto regions because it has a very diferent variation of pokemon (nothing like Johto/Kanto regions pokémon) and if the regions were connected the pokemon from Sinnoh would mix with the pokémon from Johto/Kanto (it means that we would be able to see Piplups, Chimchars, Turtwigs, Buizels, Bunearys, Pachirisus, Starlys (and other pokémon that are being showned only in Sinnoh in the anime)in Kanto and Johto regions too, but it has'nt happened because the Sinnoh and the Johto/Kanto regions are '''sepperated''' from each other the way that the Hoen region is (In "Home is where the start is" Ash told: Sinnoh '''island''', here I come!).And where are the Orange islands in that so called "map" at the top right of the page?--[[User:Tomas|Tomas]] 10:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, just as Hoenn is west of Kanto. It's a separate island. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
There isn't any evidence that Sinnoh is an island though, so each person can make up his/her own mind about whether it is on the same landmass as Kanto/Johto or not until official evidence is revealed.

Precisely. Everything on the wiki should be official. Keeping it up makes it look like we know when we don't. We just shouldn't have a map at all. It's interesting, but it has no place here. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Is there any official evidence that contradicts the map?
 
And even if you are right, the map shouldn't be removed, just edited to not have Sinnoh.

Well there's certainly no evidence that supports it. The anime pictures deliberately separate Hoenn, Kanto/Johto, and Sinnoh with clouds because even ''they'' don't know what it's supposed to look like in its entirety. If we are going to have a fan-made map of these regions, we should at least follow suit and keep them separate. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Why aren't you against having shipping articles on Bulbapedia? They are ''entirely'' fanon, and that map is only partially fanon.
:Because Game Freak themselves have implied that Sinnoh is a separate landmass from Johto/Kanto. Sure you can't see the very southernmost point of Sinnoh, but nor can you see the very easternmost part or northernmost point. You certainly had no problem assuming that to the west was water, so why not leave it to the fact that, oh, I dunno... Sinnoh, Kanto/Johto, and Hoenn are based off of real locations, and they're separate landmasses in the real world. Sure, Game Freak takes liberties, but really, if they were connected, couldn't Ash have walked there from Pallet like he did to Johto? He never walked to Hoenn, that's a separate landmass, therefore, in my eyes, Sinnoh is as well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Ash took a boat because it is easier than walking.
:Then why didn't he to get to Johto? If he took a boat from Pallet, it'd have to go all the way around the landmass to get to Twinleaf. Also, it's better to sign your comments so I know who's saying what. Use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
He would have to go over the Kanto/Johto mountain range and the Sinnoh range to get to Twinleaf Town from Pewter City.[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
:He'd have to go past Mt. Silver to get to Johto. Don't see much real difference at all, especially since he showed no problem getting to anywhere else in Kanto. Sinnoh's separate in the anime interpretation of the map, so therefore, my vote is that it's an island, or at the very least, not on the same landmass as Kanto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

While I know it's not official, I at least think it's important to point out the most popular theory for how the Pokémon world is layed out, because I don't think this person is familiar with it, and he needs to see a good conflicting viewpoint.
[http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3536/mapyp2.gif Click for giant pic.]
Sinnoh being to the north is still there, as it is in your created picture. The games/anime never say to the IMMEDIATE north. And as for Hoenn, they don't particularly label the areas North/South/East/West, so it still could be relevant.

All that aside, that is why your map doesn't belong here. Hoenn and Sinnoh are in locations we can't confirm so far, so we have to keep away from maps that assume that.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 02:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Submitter here:
thats true that i did a pretty bad job making that part up...but i got rid of sinnoh and the photoshopped stuff in this version: [http://www.geocities.com/bill33421/allregions.PNG click for edited map] anyways...that map ([http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3536/mapyp2.gif Click for giant pic.]) is interesting and proves your point that we have no idea where they all are...maybe we can send nintendo a letter or email or something to show us the official map of all the regions...
for the first persons response...that was not the problem i was trying to fix but whatever...good to know...and...if you dont like ''that'' version then you can try [http://www.geocities.com/bill33421/kantojohtoislands.png this one.]
you know what...you guys should create a page just to display fan art!
then we could put those there! {{unsigned|Bill33421}}

:We're a Pokémon Encyclopedia, not a Fan Art site. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 02:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

yeah well you dont have to be so mean about it...humph

:If I came off as being mean, then I apologize. I just meant that it's unlikely we'll have a page for displaying user's fanart, since that's not what Bulbapedia does. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 03:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

But hey, if you want to include any fan-esque speculation and art, you can always make a new page under your own user directory regarding that. Agry has her own page regarding what gender each Pokémon from the anime is that I find pretty interesting, even if it's nothing we can officially have on the Wiki it.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 04:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

well fine...but i cant figure out how to make a sub page...could somebody tell me? thanks! [[User:Bill33421|Bill33421]]
:If you want a sub-page of your userpage, just put it at Bill33421/Whatever. For example, I have one of mine at [[User:TTEchidna/GSDS]].

Thx

:No, because Ash took a boat to travel there just like to Hoen(going to Sinnoh by an airship like to the Orange islandswould have been much quicker than a boat) - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Tomas}} ([[User talk:Tomas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tomas|contribs]]) ''

hoenn must be farther south because a desert would only be able exist at high temperatures, which would logically place it closer to the equator. of course Gens I and II might not have deserts because of lack of programming space.--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 18:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== THE ALL IMPORTANT QUESTION IN THE POKEMON WORLD ==

DO ANIMALS EXIST IN THIS WORLD!!! (other than the worms being eaten by Pigeotto in Episode 3)

:Yes. The episode in the Cerulean Gym shows fish swimming in the aquarium. Also, in the one with Brutella, there are fish swimming outside of the windows of the underwater resort. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[User:Shiny Noctowl/Trivia|Trivia quiz]][[Image:224MS.gif]] 21:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention that a coral reef (yes, they are classified as animals) was seen in the Manaphy movie.
:The anime has not featured real animals since early Kanto thus they are unimportant and this question is not what it was hyped up to be. (Coral is just decoration so it doesn't count even if it is officially animal.) --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

There seems to be a misconception stated in the article that only when baby Pokémon grow into their adult phase can they breed. Obviously not true. {{p|Pichu}}, evolve to {{p|Pikachu}}. Pikachu can still breed... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Pikachu is not a baby Pokémon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... some Pokémon seem to be similar to mammals, so why do they produce eggs?
Pikachu127

== Featured article ==

Only have one more section to expand and complete, then the article is finished. Do you think this article is "Featured article" worthy? If not... explain.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== I found this ==

Navegating through the internet I found this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Pok%C3%A9mon_Regions.png That changes a bit the part that says that Orre is based on Arizona. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Do you have a source for thiss??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hfc2X,
Although this is old, I would like to note that that is an accurate map. The only problem I noticed was Oree is not based off of Hiroshima Prefecture, because it doesn't have desert and No one in Japan likes to think about Hiroshima... but anyway. I think Orre ''is'' the Arizona Desert because it is the same shape and is totally desert. but thanks for sharing the map!! [[User:Sandshrew-san|Sandshrew-san]] 6:55 EDT November 17, 2009

== Has anyone seem this map before? Is it legiment? ==

There was this map I found. I think its for the TCG. Anyone seen it before?
Heres the link?
http://pojo.com/Features/Jan2002/022002Greg.html --[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 01:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:Judging from the cards depicted, it seems to be based on the Japanese TCG set [[E-Card 2 (TCG)|The Town On No Map]] (E-Card 2). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 02:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== More Real World Correlation ==

Just checked a map of Japan. Does anyone else believe it's accurate to say that the position of the Indigo Plateau corresponds to the position of Mt. Fuji in the real world? If so, it may be worth noting on the main page. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 14:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I beleive it is accurate, but not note worthy.--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 18:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:Mt. Fuji is Mt. Silver. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

== Location, Location, Location ==

We all are wondering about where the regions are, and we have little to go by (we know Kanto and Johto are beside each other and that Hoenn and Sinnoh are islands). However, I was looking at the maps and had a revelation. Look at Johto/Kanto. Far east looks like Earth's far east. We have a peninsula (Veridian) that looks like Japan, further west is a peninsula (Pallet) that looks like India, still further west is a peninsula in the approximate location of Africa. It looks a lot like Eurasia. So that got me to thinking and I realized how much Hoenn looks like Australia, so why not put it due south of Cinnabar island? Then you have Sinnoh, which has snowpoint, mountains, and looks suspiciously like Greenland, so put it westnorthwest of Johto. Then the Orange Islands can go in the general Philippines area. I know this is all speculation and vague likenesses (and I realize that the regions are based on those of Japan, not what I said), but I needed to throw the idea out there for others to see, think about, and consider.

== What's wrong with the HeartGold and SoulSilver maps of Kanto and Johto? ==

There is a tint over them?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:KantoJohtoAreas.png explanation here] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::Alright, it's new to me, so thnx.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 17:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

== In the anime.... ==

In the anime in one episode (which I don't remember the specific name of) everyone in the episode mentions Hollywood and they go there, if I remember right. So wouldn't that be evidence that the Pokémon world is really just Earth itself, but with Pokémon? {{unsigned|TheLastCharmander}}
:1) Sign your comments (with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), please. 2) Read the article, please. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 06:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

== Sun and other real-world connection stuff ==

I think the {{wp|Sun}} is another real-world reference -- not all planets have a perfectly-sized and yellowish-white sun anyway.
Besides, the {{wp|Gregorian calendar}} is also noteworthy. Together with the [[Foreign Building]], it is also a reference of {{wp|Christianity}}.
The history section is way too long, since we have another article dedicated to it. Just remove the "Magikarp mutated and became weaker", "Porygon was created in the 1990s", etc. The Kyogre and Groudun, Ho-oh and Lugia parts need to be shortened too. [[User:Rxhar|Rxhar]] 09:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Legendary dogs ==
The three legendary dogs were reincarnations of three Pokémon that died in the Tin Tower fire, and it seems that that part was completely left out. Should that be added.--[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 15:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Christian church ==

Should the episode in which the apparently Christian church appears be added to the section which mentions it? [[User:Bulbajer|Bulbajer]] 02:02, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think it's overtly Christian... It takes design elements from temples, churches, and mosques. Besides, in what capacity would it be added to the article? That the existence of such a building suggests that religion exists in the Pokémon world? It doesn't seem particularly noteworthy to me. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 02:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::Well we've got the [[Foreign Building]] in Hearthome... which episode are you talking about? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Earth in Movie 1 ==
Does anyone remember that Meowth said to his clone that they share the same EARTH!!! They live on EARTH! Although this is only the dub, I have not officially heard it in Japan. {{unsigned|Ashanddawn4evr}}

He could mean the same ''soil'' [[User:Synner|Synner]] 21:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I always thought that the world was called Pokearth instead of Pokemon World or Earth. It says so on www.serebii.net. Meowth might have meant soil or he might've shortened Pokearth to Earth.
[[User:Exsiiron|Exsiiron]] 22:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Pokéarth is just the name that Serebii gave to his locations navigation page. Nowhere does he claim that the Pokémon world is called such. It's just a contraction much like how just about any descriptive list is called <insert name of items in list>dex. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Earth ==

Isn't the planet technically Earth? It looks like Earth and they didn't say Pokémon took place in a distant galaxy. Why is it called "Pokémon World" instead of "Earth?"--[[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 16:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:Unless they specifically state it's Earth, it isn't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

:Why does the Johto dex reference earth? Poliraths entry states "This strong and skilled swimmer is even capable of crossing the '''Pacific Ocean''' just by kicking." This must mean something.[[User:DJDantae|DJDantae]] 07:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[Pokémon world in relation to the real world#Real-world locations mentioned|Yes, we know]]. There were many mentions of real places. But last I checked, "Sinnoh" is not the name of a real place. Yes, the Pokémon world was based on Earth. But it's not the same place we live in. It's never been said that they live on Earth. We can't make that assumption. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 08:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Under the "Technology" section, there is a link fail. Admins, can you please spot it and fix it? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== Minor edit request ==

Hi - in the section [[Pokémon world#Culture|Culture]], there should probably be a link to the [[Ever Grande Conference]] in the caption of the image. Thanks, ~[[User:SuperHamster|Super]][[User:SuperHamster|Hamster]] [[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]] 02:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request!! ==

Under the "Culture" section, a line reads: ''"so '''it''' plausible that the population believes in Pokémon as their religion"''.

That should probably read "it is". Admins! Get to it! [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 21:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== Multiple eggs?==

It says in the reproduction section that Pokémon will sometimes lay various eggs at a time. Is this referring to a specific episode of the anime or can you get more than one egg from a daycare center at once or what? I couldn't find anything about this in the [[Pokémon egg]] or [[Pokémon breeding]] articles. --[[User:Jared|Ja]][[User talk:Jared|red]] 04:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think it's just talking about how if you leave two Pokémon in the Day Care indefinitely, they'll continue to produce eggs (as opposed to one egg per Pokémon per stay in the Day Care). --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::I swear I once got two eggs from the same pair at the same time in Diamond. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Me too! D:--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 20:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Maybe it is possible, I haven't played any of the Gen IV games. If so, it really should say so in the breeding and/or egg articles. And I don't think it means what Zesty Cactus says, at least not the way it is written right now, with the phrase "'''at one time'''" --[[User:Jared|Ja]][[User talk:Jared|red]] 00:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I've never seen this, or heard of it happening anywhere. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Undeniable Proof that Pokemon World is OUR Earth! ==

While playing out the TRU Arceus event--where Arceus apparently creates either Dialga, Palkia or Giratina--there is a picture of our Earth (specifically the most famous picture of Earth taken by Apollo 17):

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LbtRw87uOc#t=6m13s (This is a YouTube video, the link fast-forwards the video to the point in the montage that specifically shows the Earth)

Now, it makes sense that the montage is meant to show that Arceus is in control of the life and energy on and/or in the planet they're living on... by showing the Earth in that one scehe--specifically that one very VERY well known shot of it--instead of some kind of generic blue-green planet, means to me that they are most certainly on our planet Earth.

To which, I think this piece of information should be added to the article, maybe as evidence that the Pokemon World(s) take place on Earth (OUR Earth), albeit on a different Earth akin to DC Comic's Infinite Earths system, or like on the TV show "Sliders". - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 22:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:Dammit Nick, you had me fooled. I went to my travel agent and tryed to book a flight to Saffron City but she told me that it doesn't exist. Not on our planet, anyway.

:The Pokémon world is based on our Earth, yes, we have an entire article detailing the similarities. And this should definitely be mentioned there. But claiming that this takes place on OUR Earth? Not until Google Earth will give me driving directions from LaRousse City to Oldale Town. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 07:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

::I'm pretty sure that it's a parallel world. Should this be put (but only as a possibility) either [[Pokémon world|here]] or [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|here]]??--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 14:09, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Planet Picture ==

:''An orbital view of the Pokémon world, seen in the anime. Note the striking resemblance to Earth.''
:Just because it is blue, does not mean it has a ''striking'' resemblance, the continents are very different to Earth's. However, it should be noted that Unova is shown on the planet. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== [[Pokémon world]] and [[Pokémon World]] ==

Does it bother anyone else that the two have identical titles but in different cases? One is this page, while another is a disambiguation page. I think that [[Pokémon World]] should be moved to {{red link|Pokémon World (disambiguation)}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== The world of Pokemon is based on Japanese culture. ==

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/index.php?paged=8 No.107

Because it was developer's(junichi masuda) opinion, I added it to the article. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:I think that this is a little pre-Gen V. :P [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 09:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

::In Unova, diversity is a theme. However, the developer keeps persistently putting the element of Japan.

::Skyarrow Bridge draws inspiration from the Brooklyn Bridge and {{wp|Rainbow Bridge}}(Tokyo).
::Entralink draws inspiration from the {{wp|Tokyo Imperial Palace}}.

::The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Um... If that's the source, then please link it or scan it or whatever, so that you're believable. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 16:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

:::: Someone was translating "Pokemon pia(Japanese magazine)". Is not "Nintendo Dream vol.204" translated? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

::::Setting of Unova by original(Japanese) version.

::::1 Currency＝Japanese yen.

::::2 Name of person＝Japanese name(About 70%)

::::3 name of region and City/Town＝Japanese name

::::The developer calls a Japanese version original, and says that the non-Japanese version is localize. [[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=80]]

::::I think that Japan influences it in addition. This is my guess.

::::1 Castelia City(Compound of New York and Tokyo.)

::::2 Abundant Shrine (The Shinto shrine is set up.)

::::I do not think that the influence of Japan is small in an original(Japanese) version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:09, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Obviously it's influenced by Japanese culture even in Generation V, but based on? That's a different matter entirely. Just because hints of the creators' own culture worked their way into Unova doesn't mean that Japan was still its primary basis. And the currency, character names, and town names are in Japanese in the original because that's what the Japanese audience will understand and be familiar with. Every localization changes those things to be more understandable to their target audience as well. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::Do not you esteem original? Do you know that the Pokemon is a game of Japan?

::::::AndyPKMN「Obviously it's influenced by Japanese culture even in Generation V, but based on?」

::::::Because I am not a developer, it is not possible to declare. When information is found, it brings it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:56, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Look, this is silly. You were the same one stressing months ago that Unova had the "motif" of New York City rather than being "based on" New York City. Now you're arguing the opposite, that the culture of the Pokémon World is "based on" Japanese culture rather than simply including elements of Japanese culture. Yes, the original games are Japanese, and probably drew from the experience the developers had in their own culture. But they're not averse to drawing from other cultures; indeed, the Pokémon world seems to be as varied culturally as our own (besides currency, which is kept the same in all games for consistency's sake). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::::I do not say that the Japanese culture is a base. I wanted to object that the culture of Japan was little.
::::::::Sawamular101「In Unova, diversity is a theme. However, the developer keeps persistently putting the element of Japan.」

::::::::This is my remark. If the symbol of another country is arranged, that brought the culture of another country.

::::::::If "Currency" and "Name of person" and "name of region and City/Town" is consistent, it may be called a culture.

::::::::I'm sorry in unskilled English. Is the discussion impossible?[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::::I got the impression from the third party.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:SnorlaxMonster]

::::::::I think, original is "Especial". However, there is a person who says, "not Especial", too.
::::::::Because various ideas are respected, let's concede each other. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

== Scandinavia x2? ==

I was looking around for info about Unova in the wiki, when I noticed something in this "http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Unova_world_map.png" map.

Look at the lower right corner at the map, see the continents facing each other, there you have 2 identical copies of Scandinavia (-Denmark). comments?

link for wikipedia, for those who don't know what Scandinavia is: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia"

(I am new to editing Wiki pages, so I don't know the codes yet, someone edit this so its readable, please?)
:Yeah. It looks like Scandinavia. But, this is just an anime map. It's entirely made up, it's not like GameFreak or the Anime will create future regions in that map. Also, make sure you sign your name. (Just look at the reminder above when editing. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 18:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:I just reacted to the fact that they where so near, and completely identical, its like the crators did not put any effort in it. btw, I did not get my hopes up for a Scandinavia pokemon region, I know that is less likely than, let say, a Germany based region.--[[User:Grambo|Grambo]] 19:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
::(Make sure you add another colon when replying, for example, if you will reply to my post, you need to have 3 colons). Well, because Unova is the focus of that map, so the creators didn't really pay much attention to the rest of the continents on the map. But, what were you trying to say? Did you want someone to point it out in the article?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 21:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:PokemonWorldAnime.png It's not the first time that map has appeared], so it is possible that it could be canon. The similarities are pointed out in the article for BW009, so it could be added if there is not something about it already, but you would need to check with an Admin first.
:::this is the trivia form BW009's page:
:::''When rotated 90 degrees, some continents or parts of them shown in Team Rocket's computer [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|highly resemble]] areas of the real world, such as {{wp|Greenland}}, {{wp|Fennoscandia}} & {{wp|Novaya Zemlya}}.''
:::'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Does the Pokemon look like the world of the monotheism in an English version? ==

I was surprised for Celebi not to be worshiped as a god in an English version.

Celebi(もりのかみさま/God(KAMI) of Forest) Ilex Forest shrine

Mesprit(かんじょうのかみ/God(KAMI) of feelings) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)

Uxie(ちしきのかみ/God(KAMI) of knowledge) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)

Azelf(いしのかみ/God(KAMI) of will) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)

Dialga(かみさま/God(KAMI)) Celestic Town shrine

Palkia(かみさま/God(KAMI)) Celestic Town shrine

Landorus(畑の神様/God(KAMI) of field.) Abundant Shrine

This information is described in Japanese Pokedex. It looks like polytheism in a Japanese version.

I know there is a problem in the translation of KAMI(god or spirit). However, all are same classes as KAMI when seeing from the viewpoint of Shintoism(Japanese).

Does an English version write only "Arceus" as a god? Does Pokemon's world (English version) look like the monotheism? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:59, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to say.. But I don't think we should base the whole world's belief on the known Pokemon we have. Here on Earth, are we monotheistic or polytheistic? Neither, because the world is not one. I don't think that Arceus was ever confirmed to be a "god" in the Pokemon games, at least in the english games. The games only stated that Arceus is the "creator" of the world. Big difference. As for Celebi and the others, I have no idea since I don't read Japanese. Also, ''please'' click on the "Show preview" button before pushing the "Save page" button. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 14:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

::Thank you for the instruction. I am not insisting by the guess.
::A Japanese version obviously has the element of polytheism. The shrine is called HOKORA(Small Shinto shrine). And, it is explained that a specific Pokemon is KAMI(GOD or spirit).

:: It is a setting that doesn't exist in an English version. I think that it is a big difference related to the world setting if differing from a Japanese version. I am not hostile to the monotheism. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:49, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Nothing is ever stated as actually being a god in the English games, but Arceus is the creator, thus a god.
:::What the English games state:
::::Celebi: "forest's protector" (CHGSS, on the shrine itself), "forest's guardian" (Crystal only, the girl in the Celebi event)
::::Uxie: The Being of Knowledge
::::Mespirit: The Being of Emotion
::::Azelf: The Being of Willpower
::::Dialga and Palkia: I can't really find anything, but if you gave me the Japanese sentence I could probably locate the English equivalent. At best, they are called "beings".
::::Landorus: Again, having trouble finding anything calling it something that might have been translated from ''kami'', but giving me the Japanese text may allow me to locate the English translation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:59, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::Celebi(crystal Pokedex) もりのかみさま　として　まつられる。きれいな　もりが　あるところ　そこに　セレビィは　あらわれる

:::::Uxie(diamond Pokedex) ちしきのかみ　と　よばれている。めを　あわせた　ものの　きおくを　けしてしまう　ちからを　もつという。

:::::Mespirit(diamond Pokedex) かなしみの　くるしさと　よろこびの　とうとさを　ひとびとに　おしえた。かんじょうのかみ　と　よばれている。

:::::Azelf(diamond Pokedex) いしのかみ　と　よばれている。　みずうみの　そこで　ねむりつづけ　せかいの　バランスを　とっている。

:::::Dialga(diamond Pokedex) じかんを　あやつる　ちからを　もつ。　シンオウちほうでは　かみさまと　よばれ　しんわに　とうじょうする。

:::::Palkia(diamond Pokedex) くうかんを　ゆがめる　のうりょくを　もち　シンオウちほうの　しんわでは　かみさまとして　えがかれている。

:::::Landorus(black Pokedex) ランドロスが訪れる土地は作物がたくさん実るため畑の神様と言われている。

:::::Lugia (silver Pokedex) うみのかみさま(God of the sea)　と　つたえられる　ポケモン。あらしのよる　すがたを　みたという　はなしが　つたえられる。

:::::There is no shrine in Lugia. "Palkia" and "Dialga" are explained deity in an English version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::Oh, Pokédex entries. That makes it much easier.
:::::::Celebi: "guardian of the forest"
:::::::The [[Lake trio]] remain the same as I mentioned before (I checked their Pokédex entries already)
:::::::Dialga: "ancient deity"
:::::::Palkia: "deity"
:::::::Lugia: "guardian of the seas"
:::::::Landorus: "The Guardian of the Fields"
::::::So ''kami'' is translated as either deity, being or guardian, with only deity implying that it is a god. This is probably due to the sensitivity of mentioning religion in any fiction in the western world. However, I would like to point out that English fans refer to {{p|Tornadus}}, {{p|Thundurus}}, and {{p|Landorus}} collectively as the [[kami trio]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::I want to question you on Pokemon world(English version). Do you see it like polytheism or monotheism?

::::::::Most of the Pokemon that is called KAMI in a Japanese version is related to the shrine(hokora). Could you understand there is an element of polytheism in a Japanese version? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:28, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon world/Archive 1

2011-08-09T12:18:35Z

Sawamular101: /* Does the Pokemon look like the world of the monotheism in an English version? */

There's a nonexistent picture linked in the Culture section. Could someone remove it?[[User:Yinyang107|Yinyang107]] 20:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

hi...i am the submitter of the edited version of the in game maps to make into one map and i fixed the file and uploaded the new file but the thumbnail on this page wont change...if nayobdy could help it would...well, help
thanks!
[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|100px|The end result]]
:Sure thing. Changing an image's size is easy. Now, here's the data as written on the page:
:<blockquote><nowiki>[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]</nowiki></blockquote>
:It's simple enough. You just have to know the size. For example, to reduce it to a 100 pixel picture, just add (shown in bold):
:<blockquote><nowiki>[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|</nowiki>'''100px|'''<nowiki>A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]</nowiki></blockquote>
:The end result is shown to the right. This can be done for any picture, and of varying sizes. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't seem to remove the image from the page due to some kind of database error, but it needs to be taken off. It's pure fanon. We can't know what the entire Pokemon World looks like in the games, and there is definitely NO evidence suggesting Sinnoh is connected to Kanto/Johto. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Yes there is. In the animé, they say that Sinnoh is to the north of Kanto.

No, Sinnoh is not connected to Johto/Kanto regions because it has a very diferent variation of pokemon (nothing like Johto/Kanto regions pokémon) and if the regions were connected the pokemon from Sinnoh would mix with the pokémon from Johto/Kanto (it means that we would be able to see Piplups, Chimchars, Turtwigs, Buizels, Bunearys, Pachirisus, Starlys (and other pokémon that are being showned only in Sinnoh in the anime)in Kanto and Johto regions too, but it has'nt happened because the Sinnoh and the Johto/Kanto regions are '''sepperated''' from each other the way that the Hoen region is (In "Home is where the start is" Ash told: Sinnoh '''island''', here I come!).And where are the Orange islands in that so called "map" at the top right of the page?--[[User:Tomas|Tomas]] 10:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, just as Hoenn is west of Kanto. It's a separate island. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
There isn't any evidence that Sinnoh is an island though, so each person can make up his/her own mind about whether it is on the same landmass as Kanto/Johto or not until official evidence is revealed.

Precisely. Everything on the wiki should be official. Keeping it up makes it look like we know when we don't. We just shouldn't have a map at all. It's interesting, but it has no place here. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Is there any official evidence that contradicts the map?
 
And even if you are right, the map shouldn't be removed, just edited to not have Sinnoh.

Well there's certainly no evidence that supports it. The anime pictures deliberately separate Hoenn, Kanto/Johto, and Sinnoh with clouds because even ''they'' don't know what it's supposed to look like in its entirety. If we are going to have a fan-made map of these regions, we should at least follow suit and keep them separate. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Why aren't you against having shipping articles on Bulbapedia? They are ''entirely'' fanon, and that map is only partially fanon.
:Because Game Freak themselves have implied that Sinnoh is a separate landmass from Johto/Kanto. Sure you can't see the very southernmost point of Sinnoh, but nor can you see the very easternmost part or northernmost point. You certainly had no problem assuming that to the west was water, so why not leave it to the fact that, oh, I dunno... Sinnoh, Kanto/Johto, and Hoenn are based off of real locations, and they're separate landmasses in the real world. Sure, Game Freak takes liberties, but really, if they were connected, couldn't Ash have walked there from Pallet like he did to Johto? He never walked to Hoenn, that's a separate landmass, therefore, in my eyes, Sinnoh is as well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Ash took a boat because it is easier than walking.
:Then why didn't he to get to Johto? If he took a boat from Pallet, it'd have to go all the way around the landmass to get to Twinleaf. Also, it's better to sign your comments so I know who's saying what. Use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
He would have to go over the Kanto/Johto mountain range and the Sinnoh range to get to Twinleaf Town from Pewter City.[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
:He'd have to go past Mt. Silver to get to Johto. Don't see much real difference at all, especially since he showed no problem getting to anywhere else in Kanto. Sinnoh's separate in the anime interpretation of the map, so therefore, my vote is that it's an island, or at the very least, not on the same landmass as Kanto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

While I know it's not official, I at least think it's important to point out the most popular theory for how the Pokémon world is layed out, because I don't think this person is familiar with it, and he needs to see a good conflicting viewpoint.
[http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3536/mapyp2.gif Click for giant pic.]
Sinnoh being to the north is still there, as it is in your created picture. The games/anime never say to the IMMEDIATE north. And as for Hoenn, they don't particularly label the areas North/South/East/West, so it still could be relevant.

All that aside, that is why your map doesn't belong here. Hoenn and Sinnoh are in locations we can't confirm so far, so we have to keep away from maps that assume that.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 02:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Submitter here:
thats true that i did a pretty bad job making that part up...but i got rid of sinnoh and the photoshopped stuff in this version: [http://www.geocities.com/bill33421/allregions.PNG click for edited map] anyways...that map ([http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3536/mapyp2.gif Click for giant pic.]) is interesting and proves your point that we have no idea where they all are...maybe we can send nintendo a letter or email or something to show us the official map of all the regions...
for the first persons response...that was not the problem i was trying to fix but whatever...good to know...and...if you dont like ''that'' version then you can try [http://www.geocities.com/bill33421/kantojohtoislands.png this one.]
you know what...you guys should create a page just to display fan art!
then we could put those there! {{unsigned|Bill33421}}

:We're a Pokémon Encyclopedia, not a Fan Art site. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 02:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

yeah well you dont have to be so mean about it...humph

:If I came off as being mean, then I apologize. I just meant that it's unlikely we'll have a page for displaying user's fanart, since that's not what Bulbapedia does. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 03:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

But hey, if you want to include any fan-esque speculation and art, you can always make a new page under your own user directory regarding that. Agry has her own page regarding what gender each Pokémon from the anime is that I find pretty interesting, even if it's nothing we can officially have on the Wiki it.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 04:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

well fine...but i cant figure out how to make a sub page...could somebody tell me? thanks! [[User:Bill33421|Bill33421]]
:If you want a sub-page of your userpage, just put it at Bill33421/Whatever. For example, I have one of mine at [[User:TTEchidna/GSDS]].

Thx

:No, because Ash took a boat to travel there just like to Hoen(going to Sinnoh by an airship like to the Orange islandswould have been much quicker than a boat) - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Tomas}} ([[User talk:Tomas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tomas|contribs]]) ''

hoenn must be farther south because a desert would only be able exist at high temperatures, which would logically place it closer to the equator. of course Gens I and II might not have deserts because of lack of programming space.--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 18:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== THE ALL IMPORTANT QUESTION IN THE POKEMON WORLD ==

DO ANIMALS EXIST IN THIS WORLD!!! (other than the worms being eaten by Pigeotto in Episode 3)

:Yes. The episode in the Cerulean Gym shows fish swimming in the aquarium. Also, in the one with Brutella, there are fish swimming outside of the windows of the underwater resort. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[User:Shiny Noctowl/Trivia|Trivia quiz]][[Image:224MS.gif]] 21:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention that a coral reef (yes, they are classified as animals) was seen in the Manaphy movie.
:The anime has not featured real animals since early Kanto thus they are unimportant and this question is not what it was hyped up to be. (Coral is just decoration so it doesn't count even if it is officially animal.) --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

There seems to be a misconception stated in the article that only when baby Pokémon grow into their adult phase can they breed. Obviously not true. {{p|Pichu}}, evolve to {{p|Pikachu}}. Pikachu can still breed... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Pikachu is not a baby Pokémon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... some Pokémon seem to be similar to mammals, so why do they produce eggs?
Pikachu127

== Featured article ==

Only have one more section to expand and complete, then the article is finished. Do you think this article is "Featured article" worthy? If not... explain.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== I found this ==

Navegating through the internet I found this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Pok%C3%A9mon_Regions.png That changes a bit the part that says that Orre is based on Arizona. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Do you have a source for thiss??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hfc2X,
Although this is old, I would like to note that that is an accurate map. The only problem I noticed was Oree is not based off of Hiroshima Prefecture, because it doesn't have desert and No one in Japan likes to think about Hiroshima... but anyway. I think Orre ''is'' the Arizona Desert because it is the same shape and is totally desert. but thanks for sharing the map!! [[User:Sandshrew-san|Sandshrew-san]] 6:55 EDT November 17, 2009

== Has anyone seem this map before? Is it legiment? ==

There was this map I found. I think its for the TCG. Anyone seen it before?
Heres the link?
http://pojo.com/Features/Jan2002/022002Greg.html --[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 01:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:Judging from the cards depicted, it seems to be based on the Japanese TCG set [[E-Card 2 (TCG)|The Town On No Map]] (E-Card 2). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 02:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== More Real World Correlation ==

Just checked a map of Japan. Does anyone else believe it's accurate to say that the position of the Indigo Plateau corresponds to the position of Mt. Fuji in the real world? If so, it may be worth noting on the main page. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 14:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I beleive it is accurate, but not note worthy.--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 18:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:Mt. Fuji is Mt. Silver. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

== Location, Location, Location ==

We all are wondering about where the regions are, and we have little to go by (we know Kanto and Johto are beside each other and that Hoenn and Sinnoh are islands). However, I was looking at the maps and had a revelation. Look at Johto/Kanto. Far east looks like Earth's far east. We have a peninsula (Veridian) that looks like Japan, further west is a peninsula (Pallet) that looks like India, still further west is a peninsula in the approximate location of Africa. It looks a lot like Eurasia. So that got me to thinking and I realized how much Hoenn looks like Australia, so why not put it due south of Cinnabar island? Then you have Sinnoh, which has snowpoint, mountains, and looks suspiciously like Greenland, so put it westnorthwest of Johto. Then the Orange Islands can go in the general Philippines area. I know this is all speculation and vague likenesses (and I realize that the regions are based on those of Japan, not what I said), but I needed to throw the idea out there for others to see, think about, and consider.

== What's wrong with the HeartGold and SoulSilver maps of Kanto and Johto? ==

There is a tint over them?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:KantoJohtoAreas.png explanation here] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::Alright, it's new to me, so thnx.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 17:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

== In the anime.... ==

In the anime in one episode (which I don't remember the specific name of) everyone in the episode mentions Hollywood and they go there, if I remember right. So wouldn't that be evidence that the Pokémon world is really just Earth itself, but with Pokémon? {{unsigned|TheLastCharmander}}
:1) Sign your comments (with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), please. 2) Read the article, please. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 06:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

== Sun and other real-world connection stuff ==

I think the {{wp|Sun}} is another real-world reference -- not all planets have a perfectly-sized and yellowish-white sun anyway.
Besides, the {{wp|Gregorian calendar}} is also noteworthy. Together with the [[Foreign Building]], it is also a reference of {{wp|Christianity}}.
The history section is way too long, since we have another article dedicated to it. Just remove the "Magikarp mutated and became weaker", "Porygon was created in the 1990s", etc. The Kyogre and Groudun, Ho-oh and Lugia parts need to be shortened too. [[User:Rxhar|Rxhar]] 09:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Legendary dogs ==
The three legendary dogs were reincarnations of three Pokémon that died in the Tin Tower fire, and it seems that that part was completely left out. Should that be added.--[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 15:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Christian church ==

Should the episode in which the apparently Christian church appears be added to the section which mentions it? [[User:Bulbajer|Bulbajer]] 02:02, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think it's overtly Christian... It takes design elements from temples, churches, and mosques. Besides, in what capacity would it be added to the article? That the existence of such a building suggests that religion exists in the Pokémon world? It doesn't seem particularly noteworthy to me. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 02:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::Well we've got the [[Foreign Building]] in Hearthome... which episode are you talking about? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Earth in Movie 1 ==
Does anyone remember that Meowth said to his clone that they share the same EARTH!!! They live on EARTH! Although this is only the dub, I have not officially heard it in Japan. {{unsigned|Ashanddawn4evr}}

He could mean the same ''soil'' [[User:Synner|Synner]] 21:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I always thought that the world was called Pokearth instead of Pokemon World or Earth. It says so on www.serebii.net. Meowth might have meant soil or he might've shortened Pokearth to Earth.
[[User:Exsiiron|Exsiiron]] 22:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Pokéarth is just the name that Serebii gave to his locations navigation page. Nowhere does he claim that the Pokémon world is called such. It's just a contraction much like how just about any descriptive list is called <insert name of items in list>dex. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Earth ==

Isn't the planet technically Earth? It looks like Earth and they didn't say Pokémon took place in a distant galaxy. Why is it called "Pokémon World" instead of "Earth?"--[[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 16:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:Unless they specifically state it's Earth, it isn't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

:Why does the Johto dex reference earth? Poliraths entry states "This strong and skilled swimmer is even capable of crossing the '''Pacific Ocean''' just by kicking." This must mean something.[[User:DJDantae|DJDantae]] 07:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[Pokémon world in relation to the real world#Real-world locations mentioned|Yes, we know]]. There were many mentions of real places. But last I checked, "Sinnoh" is not the name of a real place. Yes, the Pokémon world was based on Earth. But it's not the same place we live in. It's never been said that they live on Earth. We can't make that assumption. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 08:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Under the "Technology" section, there is a link fail. Admins, can you please spot it and fix it? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== Minor edit request ==

Hi - in the section [[Pokémon world#Culture|Culture]], there should probably be a link to the [[Ever Grande Conference]] in the caption of the image. Thanks, ~[[User:SuperHamster|Super]][[User:SuperHamster|Hamster]] [[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]] 02:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request!! ==

Under the "Culture" section, a line reads: ''"so '''it''' plausible that the population believes in Pokémon as their religion"''.

That should probably read "it is". Admins! Get to it! [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 21:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== Multiple eggs?==

It says in the reproduction section that Pokémon will sometimes lay various eggs at a time. Is this referring to a specific episode of the anime or can you get more than one egg from a daycare center at once or what? I couldn't find anything about this in the [[Pokémon egg]] or [[Pokémon breeding]] articles. --[[User:Jared|Ja]][[User talk:Jared|red]] 04:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think it's just talking about how if you leave two Pokémon in the Day Care indefinitely, they'll continue to produce eggs (as opposed to one egg per Pokémon per stay in the Day Care). --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::I swear I once got two eggs from the same pair at the same time in Diamond. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Me too! D:--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 20:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Maybe it is possible, I haven't played any of the Gen IV games. If so, it really should say so in the breeding and/or egg articles. And I don't think it means what Zesty Cactus says, at least not the way it is written right now, with the phrase "'''at one time'''" --[[User:Jared|Ja]][[User talk:Jared|red]] 00:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I've never seen this, or heard of it happening anywhere. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Undeniable Proof that Pokemon World is OUR Earth! ==

While playing out the TRU Arceus event--where Arceus apparently creates either Dialga, Palkia or Giratina--there is a picture of our Earth (specifically the most famous picture of Earth taken by Apollo 17):

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LbtRw87uOc#t=6m13s (This is a YouTube video, the link fast-forwards the video to the point in the montage that specifically shows the Earth)

Now, it makes sense that the montage is meant to show that Arceus is in control of the life and energy on and/or in the planet they're living on... by showing the Earth in that one scehe--specifically that one very VERY well known shot of it--instead of some kind of generic blue-green planet, means to me that they are most certainly on our planet Earth.

To which, I think this piece of information should be added to the article, maybe as evidence that the Pokemon World(s) take place on Earth (OUR Earth), albeit on a different Earth akin to DC Comic's Infinite Earths system, or like on the TV show "Sliders". - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 22:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:Dammit Nick, you had me fooled. I went to my travel agent and tryed to book a flight to Saffron City but she told me that it doesn't exist. Not on our planet, anyway.

:The Pokémon world is based on our Earth, yes, we have an entire article detailing the similarities. And this should definitely be mentioned there. But claiming that this takes place on OUR Earth? Not until Google Earth will give me driving directions from LaRousse City to Oldale Town. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 07:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

::I'm pretty sure that it's a parallel world. Should this be put (but only as a possibility) either [[Pokémon world|here]] or [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|here]]??--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 14:09, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Planet Picture ==

:''An orbital view of the Pokémon world, seen in the anime. Note the striking resemblance to Earth.''
:Just because it is blue, does not mean it has a ''striking'' resemblance, the continents are very different to Earth's. However, it should be noted that Unova is shown on the planet. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== [[Pokémon world]] and [[Pokémon World]] ==

Does it bother anyone else that the two have identical titles but in different cases? One is this page, while another is a disambiguation page. I think that [[Pokémon World]] should be moved to {{red link|Pokémon World (disambiguation)}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== The world of Pokemon is based on Japanese culture. ==

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/index.php?paged=8 No.107

Because it was developer's(junichi masuda) opinion, I added it to the article. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:I think that this is a little pre-Gen V. :P [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 09:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

::In Unova, diversity is a theme. However, the developer keeps persistently putting the element of Japan.

::Skyarrow Bridge draws inspiration from the Brooklyn Bridge and {{wp|Rainbow Bridge}}(Tokyo).
::Entralink draws inspiration from the {{wp|Tokyo Imperial Palace}}.

::The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Um... If that's the source, then please link it or scan it or whatever, so that you're believable. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 16:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

:::: Someone was translating "Pokemon pia(Japanese magazine)". Is not "Nintendo Dream vol.204" translated? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

::::Setting of Unova by original(Japanese) version.

::::1 Currency＝Japanese yen.

::::2 Name of person＝Japanese name(About 70%)

::::3 name of region and City/Town＝Japanese name

::::The developer calls a Japanese version original, and says that the non-Japanese version is localize. [[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=80]]

::::I think that Japan influences it in addition. This is my guess.

::::1 Castelia City(Compound of New York and Tokyo.)

::::2 Abundant Shrine (The Shinto shrine is set up.)

::::I do not think that the influence of Japan is small in an original(Japanese) version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:09, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Obviously it's influenced by Japanese culture even in Generation V, but based on? That's a different matter entirely. Just because hints of the creators' own culture worked their way into Unova doesn't mean that Japan was still its primary basis. And the currency, character names, and town names are in Japanese in the original because that's what the Japanese audience will understand and be familiar with. Every localization changes those things to be more understandable to their target audience as well. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::Do not you esteem original? Do you know that the Pokemon is a game of Japan?

::::::AndyPKMN「Obviously it's influenced by Japanese culture even in Generation V, but based on?」

::::::Because I am not a developer, it is not possible to declare. When information is found, it brings it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:56, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Look, this is silly. You were the same one stressing months ago that Unova had the "motif" of New York City rather than being "based on" New York City. Now you're arguing the opposite, that the culture of the Pokémon World is "based on" Japanese culture rather than simply including elements of Japanese culture. Yes, the original games are Japanese, and probably drew from the experience the developers had in their own culture. But they're not averse to drawing from other cultures; indeed, the Pokémon world seems to be as varied culturally as our own (besides currency, which is kept the same in all games for consistency's sake). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::::I do not say that the Japanese culture is a base. I wanted to object that the culture of Japan was little.
::::::::Sawamular101「In Unova, diversity is a theme. However, the developer keeps persistently putting the element of Japan.」

::::::::This is my remark. If the symbol of another country is arranged, that brought the culture of another country.

::::::::If "Currency" and "Name of person" and "name of region and City/Town" is consistent, it may be called a culture.

::::::::I'm sorry in unskilled English. Is the discussion impossible?[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::::I got the impression from the third party.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:SnorlaxMonster]

::::::::I think, original is "Especial". However, there is a person who says, "not Especial", too.
::::::::Because various ideas are respected, let's concede each other. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

== Scandinavia x2? ==

I was looking around for info about Unova in the wiki, when I noticed something in this "http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Unova_world_map.png" map.

Look at the lower right corner at the map, see the continents facing each other, there you have 2 identical copies of Scandinavia (-Denmark). comments?

link for wikipedia, for those who don't know what Scandinavia is: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia"

(I am new to editing Wiki pages, so I don't know the codes yet, someone edit this so its readable, please?)
:Yeah. It looks like Scandinavia. But, this is just an anime map. It's entirely made up, it's not like GameFreak or the Anime will create future regions in that map. Also, make sure you sign your name. (Just look at the reminder above when editing. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 18:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:I just reacted to the fact that they where so near, and completely identical, its like the crators did not put any effort in it. btw, I did not get my hopes up for a Scandinavia pokemon region, I know that is less likely than, let say, a Germany based region.--[[User:Grambo|Grambo]] 19:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
::(Make sure you add another colon when replying, for example, if you will reply to my post, you need to have 3 colons). Well, because Unova is the focus of that map, so the creators didn't really pay much attention to the rest of the continents on the map. But, what were you trying to say? Did you want someone to point it out in the article?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 21:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:PokemonWorldAnime.png It's not the first time that map has appeared], so it is possible that it could be canon. The similarities are pointed out in the article for BW009, so it could be added if there is not something about it already, but you would need to check with an Admin first.
:::this is the trivia form BW009's page:
:::''When rotated 90 degrees, some continents or parts of them shown in Team Rocket's computer [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|highly resemble]] areas of the real world, such as {{wp|Greenland}}, {{wp|Fennoscandia}} & {{wp|Novaya Zemlya}}.''
:::'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Does the Pokemon look like the world of the monotheism in an English version? ==

I was surprised for Celebi not to be worshiped as a god in an English version.

Celebi(もりのかみさま/God(KAMI) of Forest) Ilex Forest shrine

Mesprit(かんじょうのかみ/God(KAMI) of feelings) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)

Uxie(ちしきのかみ/God(KAMI) of knowledge) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)

Azelf(いしのかみ/God(KAMI) of will) Celestic Town shrine(Wall painting of cave)

Dialga(かみさま/God(KAMI)) Celestic Town shrine

Palkia(かみさま/God(KAMI)) Celestic Town shrine

Landorus(畑の神様/God(KAMI) of field.) Abundant Shrine

This information is described in Japanese Pokedex. It looks like polytheism in a Japanese version.

I know there is a problem in the translation of KAMI(god or spirit). However, all are same classes as KAMI when seeing from the viewpoint of Shintoism(Japanese).

Does an English version write only "Arceus" as a god? Does Pokemon's world (English version) look like the monotheism? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:59, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to say.. But I don't think we should base the whole world's belief on the known Pokemon we have. Here on Earth, are we monotheistic or polytheistic? Neither, because the world is not one. I don't think that Arceus was ever confirmed to be a "god" in the Pokemon games, at least in the english games. The games only stated that Arceus is the "creator" of the world. Big difference. As for Celebi and the others, I have no idea since I don't read Japanese. Also, ''please'' click on the "Show preview" button before pushing the "Save page" button. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 14:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

::Thank you for the instruction. I am not insisting by the guess.
::A Japanese version obviously has the element of polytheism. The shrine is called HOKORA(Small Shinto shrine). And, it is explained that a specific Pokemon is KAMI(GOD or spirit).

:: It is a setting that doesn't exist in an English version. I think that it is a big difference related to the world setting if differing from a Japanese version. I am not hostile to the monotheism. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:49, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
:::Nothing is ever stated as actually being a god in the English games, but Arceus is the creator, thus a god.
:::What the English games state:
::::Celebi: "forest's protector" (CHGSS, on the shrine itself), "forest's guardian" (Crystal only, the girl in the Celebi event)
::::Uxie: The Being of Knowledge
::::Mespirit: The Being of Emotion
::::Azelf: The Being of Willpower
::::Dialga and Palkia: I can't really find anything, but if you gave me the Japanese sentence I could probably locate the English equivalent. At best, they are called "beings".
::::Landorus: Again, having trouble finding anything calling it something that might have been translated from ''kami'', but giving me the Japanese text may allow me to locate the English translation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:59, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::Celebi(crystal Pokedex) もりのかみさま　として　まつられる。きれいな　もりが　あるところ　そこに　セレビィは　あらわれる

:::::Uxie(diamond Pokedex) ちしきのかみ　と　よばれている。めを　あわせた　ものの　きおくを　けしてしまう　ちからを　もつという。

:::::Mespirit(diamond Pokedex) かなしみの　くるしさと　よろこびの　とうとさを　ひとびとに　おしえた。かんじょうのかみ　と　よばれている。

:::::Azelf(diamond Pokedex) いしのかみ　と　よばれている。　みずうみの　そこで　ねむりつづけ　せかいの　バランスを　とっている。

:::::Dialga(diamond Pokedex) じかんを　あやつる　ちからを　もつ。　シンオウちほうでは　かみさまと　よばれ　しんわに　とうじょうする。

:::::Palkia(diamond Pokedex) くうかんを　ゆがめる　のうりょくを　もち　シンオウちほうの　しんわでは　かみさまとして　えがかれている。

:::::Landorus(black Pokedex) ランドロスが訪れる土地は作物がたくさん実るため畑の神様と言われている。

:::::Lugia (silver Pokedex) うみのかみさま(God of the sea)　と　つたえられる　ポケモン。あらしのよる　すがたを　みたという　はなしが　つたえられる。

:::::There is no shrine in Lugia. "Palkia" and "Dialga" are explained deity in an English version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

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Sawamular101: /* Does the Pokemon look like the world of the monotheism in an English version? */

There's a nonexistent picture linked in the Culture section. Could someone remove it?[[User:Yinyang107|Yinyang107]] 20:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

hi...i am the submitter of the edited version of the in game maps to make into one map and i fixed the file and uploaded the new file but the thumbnail on this page wont change...if nayobdy could help it would...well, help
thanks!
[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|100px|The end result]]
:Sure thing. Changing an image's size is easy. Now, here's the data as written on the page:
:<blockquote><nowiki>[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]</nowiki></blockquote>
:It's simple enough. You just have to know the size. For example, to reduce it to a 100 pixel picture, just add (shown in bold):
:<blockquote><nowiki>[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|</nowiki>'''100px|'''<nowiki>A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]</nowiki></blockquote>
:The end result is shown to the right. This can be done for any picture, and of varying sizes. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't seem to remove the image from the page due to some kind of database error, but it needs to be taken off. It's pure fanon. We can't know what the entire Pokemon World looks like in the games, and there is definitely NO evidence suggesting Sinnoh is connected to Kanto/Johto. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Yes there is. In the animé, they say that Sinnoh is to the north of Kanto.

No, Sinnoh is not connected to Johto/Kanto regions because it has a very diferent variation of pokemon (nothing like Johto/Kanto regions pokémon) and if the regions were connected the pokemon from Sinnoh would mix with the pokémon from Johto/Kanto (it means that we would be able to see Piplups, Chimchars, Turtwigs, Buizels, Bunearys, Pachirisus, Starlys (and other pokémon that are being showned only in Sinnoh in the anime)in Kanto and Johto regions too, but it has'nt happened because the Sinnoh and the Johto/Kanto regions are '''sepperated''' from each other the way that the Hoen region is (In "Home is where the start is" Ash told: Sinnoh '''island''', here I come!).And where are the Orange islands in that so called "map" at the top right of the page?--[[User:Tomas|Tomas]] 10:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, just as Hoenn is west of Kanto. It's a separate island. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
There isn't any evidence that Sinnoh is an island though, so each person can make up his/her own mind about whether it is on the same landmass as Kanto/Johto or not until official evidence is revealed.

Precisely. Everything on the wiki should be official. Keeping it up makes it look like we know when we don't. We just shouldn't have a map at all. It's interesting, but it has no place here. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Is there any official evidence that contradicts the map?
 
And even if you are right, the map shouldn't be removed, just edited to not have Sinnoh.

Well there's certainly no evidence that supports it. The anime pictures deliberately separate Hoenn, Kanto/Johto, and Sinnoh with clouds because even ''they'' don't know what it's supposed to look like in its entirety. If we are going to have a fan-made map of these regions, we should at least follow suit and keep them separate. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Why aren't you against having shipping articles on Bulbapedia? They are ''entirely'' fanon, and that map is only partially fanon.
:Because Game Freak themselves have implied that Sinnoh is a separate landmass from Johto/Kanto. Sure you can't see the very southernmost point of Sinnoh, but nor can you see the very easternmost part or northernmost point. You certainly had no problem assuming that to the west was water, so why not leave it to the fact that, oh, I dunno... Sinnoh, Kanto/Johto, and Hoenn are based off of real locations, and they're separate landmasses in the real world. Sure, Game Freak takes liberties, but really, if they were connected, couldn't Ash have walked there from Pallet like he did to Johto? He never walked to Hoenn, that's a separate landmass, therefore, in my eyes, Sinnoh is as well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Ash took a boat because it is easier than walking.
:Then why didn't he to get to Johto? If he took a boat from Pallet, it'd have to go all the way around the landmass to get to Twinleaf. Also, it's better to sign your comments so I know who's saying what. Use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
He would have to go over the Kanto/Johto mountain range and the Sinnoh range to get to Twinleaf Town from Pewter City.[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
:He'd have to go past Mt. Silver to get to Johto. Don't see much real difference at all, especially since he showed no problem getting to anywhere else in Kanto. Sinnoh's separate in the anime interpretation of the map, so therefore, my vote is that it's an island, or at the very least, not on the same landmass as Kanto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

While I know it's not official, I at least think it's important to point out the most popular theory for how the Pokémon world is layed out, because I don't think this person is familiar with it, and he needs to see a good conflicting viewpoint.
[http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3536/mapyp2.gif Click for giant pic.]
Sinnoh being to the north is still there, as it is in your created picture. The games/anime never say to the IMMEDIATE north. And as for Hoenn, they don't particularly label the areas North/South/East/West, so it still could be relevant.

All that aside, that is why your map doesn't belong here. Hoenn and Sinnoh are in locations we can't confirm so far, so we have to keep away from maps that assume that.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 02:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Submitter here:
thats true that i did a pretty bad job making that part up...but i got rid of sinnoh and the photoshopped stuff in this version: [http://www.geocities.com/bill33421/allregions.PNG click for edited map] anyways...that map ([http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3536/mapyp2.gif Click for giant pic.]) is interesting and proves your point that we have no idea where they all are...maybe we can send nintendo a letter or email or something to show us the official map of all the regions...
for the first persons response...that was not the problem i was trying to fix but whatever...good to know...and...if you dont like ''that'' version then you can try [http://www.geocities.com/bill33421/kantojohtoislands.png this one.]
you know what...you guys should create a page just to display fan art!
then we could put those there! {{unsigned|Bill33421}}

:We're a Pokémon Encyclopedia, not a Fan Art site. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 02:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

yeah well you dont have to be so mean about it...humph

:If I came off as being mean, then I apologize. I just meant that it's unlikely we'll have a page for displaying user's fanart, since that's not what Bulbapedia does. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 03:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

But hey, if you want to include any fan-esque speculation and art, you can always make a new page under your own user directory regarding that. Agry has her own page regarding what gender each Pokémon from the anime is that I find pretty interesting, even if it's nothing we can officially have on the Wiki it.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 04:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

well fine...but i cant figure out how to make a sub page...could somebody tell me? thanks! [[User:Bill33421|Bill33421]]
:If you want a sub-page of your userpage, just put it at Bill33421/Whatever. For example, I have one of mine at [[User:TTEchidna/GSDS]].

Thx

:No, because Ash took a boat to travel there just like to Hoen(going to Sinnoh by an airship like to the Orange islandswould have been much quicker than a boat) - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Tomas}} ([[User talk:Tomas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tomas|contribs]]) ''

hoenn must be farther south because a desert would only be able exist at high temperatures, which would logically place it closer to the equator. of course Gens I and II might not have deserts because of lack of programming space.--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 18:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== THE ALL IMPORTANT QUESTION IN THE POKEMON WORLD ==

DO ANIMALS EXIST IN THIS WORLD!!! (other than the worms being eaten by Pigeotto in Episode 3)

:Yes. The episode in the Cerulean Gym shows fish swimming in the aquarium. Also, in the one with Brutella, there are fish swimming outside of the windows of the underwater resort. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[User:Shiny Noctowl/Trivia|Trivia quiz]][[Image:224MS.gif]] 21:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention that a coral reef (yes, they are classified as animals) was seen in the Manaphy movie.
:The anime has not featured real animals since early Kanto thus they are unimportant and this question is not what it was hyped up to be. (Coral is just decoration so it doesn't count even if it is officially animal.) --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

There seems to be a misconception stated in the article that only when baby Pokémon grow into their adult phase can they breed. Obviously not true. {{p|Pichu}}, evolve to {{p|Pikachu}}. Pikachu can still breed... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Pikachu is not a baby Pokémon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... some Pokémon seem to be similar to mammals, so why do they produce eggs?
Pikachu127

== Featured article ==

Only have one more section to expand and complete, then the article is finished. Do you think this article is "Featured article" worthy? If not... explain.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== I found this ==

Navegating through the internet I found this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Pok%C3%A9mon_Regions.png That changes a bit the part that says that Orre is based on Arizona. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Do you have a source for thiss??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hfc2X,
Although this is old, I would like to note that that is an accurate map. The only problem I noticed was Oree is not based off of Hiroshima Prefecture, because it doesn't have desert and No one in Japan likes to think about Hiroshima... but anyway. I think Orre ''is'' the Arizona Desert because it is the same shape and is totally desert. but thanks for sharing the map!! [[User:Sandshrew-san|Sandshrew-san]] 6:55 EDT November 17, 2009

== Has anyone seem this map before? Is it legiment? ==

There was this map I found. I think its for the TCG. Anyone seen it before?
Heres the link?
http://pojo.com/Features/Jan2002/022002Greg.html --[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 01:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:Judging from the cards depicted, it seems to be based on the Japanese TCG set [[E-Card 2 (TCG)|The Town On No Map]] (E-Card 2). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 02:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== More Real World Correlation ==

Just checked a map of Japan. Does anyone else believe it's accurate to say that the position of the Indigo Plateau corresponds to the position of Mt. Fuji in the real world? If so, it may be worth noting on the main page. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 14:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I beleive it is accurate, but not note worthy.--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 18:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:Mt. Fuji is Mt. Silver. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

== Location, Location, Location ==

We all are wondering about where the regions are, and we have little to go by (we know Kanto and Johto are beside each other and that Hoenn and Sinnoh are islands). However, I was looking at the maps and had a revelation. Look at Johto/Kanto. Far east looks like Earth's far east. We have a peninsula (Veridian) that looks like Japan, further west is a peninsula (Pallet) that looks like India, still further west is a peninsula in the approximate location of Africa. It looks a lot like Eurasia. So that got me to thinking and I realized how much Hoenn looks like Australia, so why not put it due south of Cinnabar island? Then you have Sinnoh, which has snowpoint, mountains, and looks suspiciously like Greenland, so put it westnorthwest of Johto. Then the Orange Islands can go in the general Philippines area. I know this is all speculation and vague likenesses (and I realize that the regions are based on those of Japan, not what I said), but I needed to throw the idea out there for others to see, think about, and consider.

== What's wrong with the HeartGold and SoulSilver maps of Kanto and Johto? ==

There is a tint over them?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:KantoJohtoAreas.png explanation here] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::Alright, it's new to me, so thnx.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 17:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

== In the anime.... ==

In the anime in one episode (which I don't remember the specific name of) everyone in the episode mentions Hollywood and they go there, if I remember right. So wouldn't that be evidence that the Pokémon world is really just Earth itself, but with Pokémon? {{unsigned|TheLastCharmander}}
:1) Sign your comments (with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), please. 2) Read the article, please. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 06:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

== Sun and other real-world connection stuff ==

I think the {{wp|Sun}} is another real-world reference -- not all planets have a perfectly-sized and yellowish-white sun anyway.
Besides, the {{wp|Gregorian calendar}} is also noteworthy. Together with the [[Foreign Building]], it is also a reference of {{wp|Christianity}}.
The history section is way too long, since we have another article dedicated to it. Just remove the "Magikarp mutated and became weaker", "Porygon was created in the 1990s", etc. The Kyogre and Groudun, Ho-oh and Lugia parts need to be shortened too. [[User:Rxhar|Rxhar]] 09:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Legendary dogs ==
The three legendary dogs were reincarnations of three Pokémon that died in the Tin Tower fire, and it seems that that part was completely left out. Should that be added.--[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 15:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Christian church ==

Should the episode in which the apparently Christian church appears be added to the section which mentions it? [[User:Bulbajer|Bulbajer]] 02:02, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think it's overtly Christian... It takes design elements from temples, churches, and mosques. Besides, in what capacity would it be added to the article? That the existence of such a building suggests that religion exists in the Pokémon world? It doesn't seem particularly noteworthy to me. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 02:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::Well we've got the [[Foreign Building]] in Hearthome... which episode are you talking about? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Earth in Movie 1 ==
Does anyone remember that Meowth said to his clone that they share the same EARTH!!! They live on EARTH! Although this is only the dub, I have not officially heard it in Japan. {{unsigned|Ashanddawn4evr}}

He could mean the same ''soil'' [[User:Synner|Synner]] 21:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I always thought that the world was called Pokearth instead of Pokemon World or Earth. It says so on www.serebii.net. Meowth might have meant soil or he might've shortened Pokearth to Earth.
[[User:Exsiiron|Exsiiron]] 22:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Pokéarth is just the name that Serebii gave to his locations navigation page. Nowhere does he claim that the Pokémon world is called such. It's just a contraction much like how just about any descriptive list is called <insert name of items in list>dex. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Earth ==

Isn't the planet technically Earth? It looks like Earth and they didn't say Pokémon took place in a distant galaxy. Why is it called "Pokémon World" instead of "Earth?"--[[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 16:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:Unless they specifically state it's Earth, it isn't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

:Why does the Johto dex reference earth? Poliraths entry states "This strong and skilled swimmer is even capable of crossing the '''Pacific Ocean''' just by kicking." This must mean something.[[User:DJDantae|DJDantae]] 07:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[Pokémon world in relation to the real world#Real-world locations mentioned|Yes, we know]]. There were many mentions of real places. But last I checked, "Sinnoh" is not the name of a real place. Yes, the Pokémon world was based on Earth. But it's not the same place we live in. It's never been said that they live on Earth. We can't make that assumption. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 08:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Under the "Technology" section, there is a link fail. Admins, can you please spot it and fix it? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== Minor edit request ==

Hi - in the section [[Pokémon world#Culture|Culture]], there should probably be a link to the [[Ever Grande Conference]] in the caption of the image. Thanks, ~[[User:SuperHamster|Super]][[User:SuperHamster|Hamster]] [[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]] 02:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request!! ==

Under the "Culture" section, a line reads: ''"so '''it''' plausible that the population believes in Pokémon as their religion"''.

That should probably read "it is". Admins! Get to it! [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 21:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== Multiple eggs?==

It says in the reproduction section that Pokémon will sometimes lay various eggs at a time. Is this referring to a specific episode of the anime or can you get more than one egg from a daycare center at once or what? I couldn't find anything about this in the [[Pokémon egg]] or [[Pokémon breeding]] articles. --[[User:Jared|Ja]][[User talk:Jared|red]] 04:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think it's just talking about how if you leave two Pokémon in the Day Care indefinitely, they'll continue to produce eggs (as opposed to one egg per Pokémon per stay in the Day Care). --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::I swear I once got two eggs from the same pair at the same time in Diamond. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Me too! D:--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 20:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Maybe it is possible, I haven't played any of the Gen IV games. If so, it really should say so in the breeding and/or egg articles. And I don't think it means what Zesty Cactus says, at least not the way it is written right now, with the phrase "'''at one time'''" --[[User:Jared|Ja]][[User talk:Jared|red]] 00:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I've never seen this, or heard of it happening anywhere. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Undeniable Proof that Pokemon World is OUR Earth! ==

While playing out the TRU Arceus event--where Arceus apparently creates either Dialga, Palkia or Giratina--there is a picture of our Earth (specifically the most famous picture of Earth taken by Apollo 17):

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LbtRw87uOc#t=6m13s (This is a YouTube video, the link fast-forwards the video to the point in the montage that specifically shows the Earth)

Now, it makes sense that the montage is meant to show that Arceus is in control of the life and energy on and/or in the planet they're living on... by showing the Earth in that one scehe--specifically that one very VERY well known shot of it--instead of some kind of generic blue-green planet, means to me that they are most certainly on our planet Earth.

To which, I think this piece of information should be added to the article, maybe as evidence that the Pokemon World(s) take place on Earth (OUR Earth), albeit on a different Earth akin to DC Comic's Infinite Earths system, or like on the TV show "Sliders". - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 22:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:Dammit Nick, you had me fooled. I went to my travel agent and tryed to book a flight to Saffron City but she told me that it doesn't exist. Not on our planet, anyway.

:The Pokémon world is based on our Earth, yes, we have an entire article detailing the similarities. And this should definitely be mentioned there. But claiming that this takes place on OUR Earth? Not until Google Earth will give me driving directions from LaRousse City to Oldale Town. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 07:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

::I'm pretty sure that it's a parallel world. Should this be put (but only as a possibility) either [[Pokémon world|here]] or [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|here]]??--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 14:09, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Planet Picture ==

:''An orbital view of the Pokémon world, seen in the anime. Note the striking resemblance to Earth.''
:Just because it is blue, does not mean it has a ''striking'' resemblance, the continents are very different to Earth's. However, it should be noted that Unova is shown on the planet. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== [[Pokémon world]] and [[Pokémon World]] ==

Does it bother anyone else that the two have identical titles but in different cases? One is this page, while another is a disambiguation page. I think that [[Pokémon World]] should be moved to {{red link|Pokémon World (disambiguation)}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== The world of Pokemon is based on Japanese culture. ==

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/index.php?paged=8 No.107

Because it was developer's(junichi masuda) opinion, I added it to the article. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:I think that this is a little pre-Gen V. :P [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 09:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

::In Unova, diversity is a theme. However, the developer keeps persistently putting the element of Japan.

::Skyarrow Bridge draws inspiration from the Brooklyn Bridge and {{wp|Rainbow Bridge}}(Tokyo).
::Entralink draws inspiration from the {{wp|Tokyo Imperial Palace}}.

::The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Um... If that's the source, then please link it or scan it or whatever, so that you're believable. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 16:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

:::: Someone was translating "Pokemon pia(Japanese magazine)". Is not "Nintendo Dream vol.204" translated? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

::::Setting of Unova by original(Japanese) version.

::::1 Currency＝Japanese yen.

::::2 Name of person＝Japanese name(About 70%)

::::3 name of region and City/Town＝Japanese name

::::The developer calls a Japanese version original, and says that the non-Japanese version is localize. [[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=80]]

::::I think that Japan influences it in addition. This is my guess.

::::1 Castelia City(Compound of New York and Tokyo.)

::::2 Abundant Shrine (The Shinto shrine is set up.)

::::I do not think that the influence of Japan is small in an original(Japanese) version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:09, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Obviously it's influenced by Japanese culture even in Generation V, but based on? That's a different matter entirely. Just because hints of the creators' own culture worked their way into Unova doesn't mean that Japan was still its primary basis. And the currency, character names, and town names are in Japanese in the original because that's what the Japanese audience will understand and be familiar with. Every localization changes those things to be more understandable to their target audience as well. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::Do not you esteem original? Do you know that the Pokemon is a game of Japan?

::::::AndyPKMN「Obviously it's influenced by Japanese culture even in Generation V, but based on?」

::::::Because I am not a developer, it is not possible to declare. When information is found, it brings it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:56, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Look, this is silly. You were the same one stressing months ago that Unova had the "motif" of New York City rather than being "based on" New York City. Now you're arguing the opposite, that the culture of the Pokémon World is "based on" Japanese culture rather than simply including elements of Japanese culture. Yes, the original games are Japanese, and probably drew from the experience the developers had in their own culture. But they're not averse to drawing from other cultures; indeed, the Pokémon world seems to be as varied culturally as our own (besides currency, which is kept the same in all games for consistency's sake). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::::I do not say that the Japanese culture is a base. I wanted to object that the culture of Japan was little.
::::::::Sawamular101「In Unova, diversity is a theme. However, the developer keeps persistently putting the element of Japan.」

::::::::This is my remark. If the symbol of another country is arranged, that brought the culture of another country.

::::::::If "Currency" and "Name of person" and "name of region and City/Town" is consistent, it may be called a culture.

::::::::I'm sorry in unskilled English. Is the discussion impossible?[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::::I got the impression from the third party.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:SnorlaxMonster]

::::::::I think, original is "Especial". However, there is a person who says, "not Especial", too.
::::::::Because various ideas are respected, let's concede each other. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

== Scandinavia x2? ==

I was looking around for info about Unova in the wiki, when I noticed something in this "http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Unova_world_map.png" map.

Look at the lower right corner at the map, see the continents facing each other, there you have 2 identical copies of Scandinavia (-Denmark). comments?

link for wikipedia, for those who don't know what Scandinavia is: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia"

(I am new to editing Wiki pages, so I don't know the codes yet, someone edit this so its readable, please?)
:Yeah. It looks like Scandinavia. But, this is just an anime map. It's entirely made up, it's not like GameFreak or the Anime will create future regions in that map. Also, make sure you sign your name. (Just look at the reminder above when editing. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 18:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:I just reacted to the fact that they where so near, and completely identical, its like the crators did not put any effort in it. btw, I did not get my hopes up for a Scandinavia pokemon region, I know that is less likely than, let say, a Germany based region.--[[User:Grambo|Grambo]] 19:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
::(Make sure you add another colon when replying, for example, if you will reply to my post, you need to have 3 colons). Well, because Unova is the focus of that map, so the creators didn't really pay much attention to the rest of the continents on the map. But, what were you trying to say? Did you want someone to point it out in the article?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 21:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:PokemonWorldAnime.png It's not the first time that map has appeared], so it is possible that it could be canon. The similarities are pointed out in the article for BW009, so it could be added if there is not something about it already, but you would need to check with an Admin first.
:::this is the trivia form BW009's page:
:::''When rotated 90 degrees, some continents or parts of them shown in Team Rocket's computer [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|highly resemble]] areas of the real world, such as {{wp|Greenland}}, {{wp|Fennoscandia}} & {{wp|Novaya Zemlya}}.''
:::'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Does the Pokemon look like the world of the monotheism in an English version? ==

It is a Japanese version and Pokemon's world is like polytheism. I was surprised for Celebi not to be worshiped as a god in an English version.

Celebi(もりのかみさま/God(KAMI) of Forest) Ilex Forest shrine

Mesprit(かんじょうのかみ/God(KAMI) of feelings)

Uxie(ちしきのかみ/God(KAMI) of knowledge)

Azelf(いしのかみ/God(KAMI) of will)

Dialga(かみさま/God(KAMI)) Celestic Town shrine

Palkia(かみさま/God(KAMI)) Celestic Town shrine

Landorus(畑の神様/God(KAMI) in field.) Abundant Shrine

This information is described in Pokedex. Does an English version write only "Arceus" as a god?

It knows there is a problem in the translation of KAMI. However, all are same classes as KAMI when seeing from the viewpoint of Shintoism(Japanese).

Does Pokemon's world (English version) look like the monotheism? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 11:59, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon world/Archive 1

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Sawamular101: /* Does the Pokemon look like the world of the monotheism in an English version? */ new section

There's a nonexistent picture linked in the Culture section. Could someone remove it?[[User:Yinyang107|Yinyang107]] 20:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

hi...i am the submitter of the edited version of the in game maps to make into one map and i fixed the file and uploaded the new file but the thumbnail on this page wont change...if nayobdy could help it would...well, help
thanks!
[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|100px|The end result]]
:Sure thing. Changing an image's size is easy. Now, here's the data as written on the page:
:<blockquote><nowiki>[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]</nowiki></blockquote>
:It's simple enough. You just have to know the size. For example, to reduce it to a 100 pixel picture, just add (shown in bold):
:<blockquote><nowiki>[[Image:allregions2.PNG|thumb|</nowiki>'''100px|'''<nowiki>A map of the known world as in the Pokémon series games, including Sinnoh drawn in the "old style"]]</nowiki></blockquote>
:The end result is shown to the right. This can be done for any picture, and of varying sizes. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:10, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't seem to remove the image from the page due to some kind of database error, but it needs to be taken off. It's pure fanon. We can't know what the entire Pokemon World looks like in the games, and there is definitely NO evidence suggesting Sinnoh is connected to Kanto/Johto. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Yes there is. In the animé, they say that Sinnoh is to the north of Kanto.

No, Sinnoh is not connected to Johto/Kanto regions because it has a very diferent variation of pokemon (nothing like Johto/Kanto regions pokémon) and if the regions were connected the pokemon from Sinnoh would mix with the pokémon from Johto/Kanto (it means that we would be able to see Piplups, Chimchars, Turtwigs, Buizels, Bunearys, Pachirisus, Starlys (and other pokémon that are being showned only in Sinnoh in the anime)in Kanto and Johto regions too, but it has'nt happened because the Sinnoh and the Johto/Kanto regions are '''sepperated''' from each other the way that the Hoen region is (In "Home is where the start is" Ash told: Sinnoh '''island''', here I come!).And where are the Orange islands in that so called "map" at the top right of the page?--[[User:Tomas|Tomas]] 10:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, just as Hoenn is west of Kanto. It's a separate island. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
There isn't any evidence that Sinnoh is an island though, so each person can make up his/her own mind about whether it is on the same landmass as Kanto/Johto or not until official evidence is revealed.

Precisely. Everything on the wiki should be official. Keeping it up makes it look like we know when we don't. We just shouldn't have a map at all. It's interesting, but it has no place here. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Is there any official evidence that contradicts the map?
 
And even if you are right, the map shouldn't be removed, just edited to not have Sinnoh.

Well there's certainly no evidence that supports it. The anime pictures deliberately separate Hoenn, Kanto/Johto, and Sinnoh with clouds because even ''they'' don't know what it's supposed to look like in its entirety. If we are going to have a fan-made map of these regions, we should at least follow suit and keep them separate. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Why aren't you against having shipping articles on Bulbapedia? They are ''entirely'' fanon, and that map is only partially fanon.
:Because Game Freak themselves have implied that Sinnoh is a separate landmass from Johto/Kanto. Sure you can't see the very southernmost point of Sinnoh, but nor can you see the very easternmost part or northernmost point. You certainly had no problem assuming that to the west was water, so why not leave it to the fact that, oh, I dunno... Sinnoh, Kanto/Johto, and Hoenn are based off of real locations, and they're separate landmasses in the real world. Sure, Game Freak takes liberties, but really, if they were connected, couldn't Ash have walked there from Pallet like he did to Johto? He never walked to Hoenn, that's a separate landmass, therefore, in my eyes, Sinnoh is as well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
Ash took a boat because it is easier than walking.
:Then why didn't he to get to Johto? If he took a boat from Pallet, it'd have to go all the way around the landmass to get to Twinleaf. Also, it's better to sign your comments so I know who's saying what. Use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:52, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 
 
He would have to go over the Kanto/Johto mountain range and the Sinnoh range to get to Twinleaf Town from Pewter City.[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
:He'd have to go past Mt. Silver to get to Johto. Don't see much real difference at all, especially since he showed no problem getting to anywhere else in Kanto. Sinnoh's separate in the anime interpretation of the map, so therefore, my vote is that it's an island, or at the very least, not on the same landmass as Kanto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

While I know it's not official, I at least think it's important to point out the most popular theory for how the Pokémon world is layed out, because I don't think this person is familiar with it, and he needs to see a good conflicting viewpoint.
[http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3536/mapyp2.gif Click for giant pic.]
Sinnoh being to the north is still there, as it is in your created picture. The games/anime never say to the IMMEDIATE north. And as for Hoenn, they don't particularly label the areas North/South/East/West, so it still could be relevant.

All that aside, that is why your map doesn't belong here. Hoenn and Sinnoh are in locations we can't confirm so far, so we have to keep away from maps that assume that.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 02:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Submitter here:
thats true that i did a pretty bad job making that part up...but i got rid of sinnoh and the photoshopped stuff in this version: [http://www.geocities.com/bill33421/allregions.PNG click for edited map] anyways...that map ([http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3536/mapyp2.gif Click for giant pic.]) is interesting and proves your point that we have no idea where they all are...maybe we can send nintendo a letter or email or something to show us the official map of all the regions...
for the first persons response...that was not the problem i was trying to fix but whatever...good to know...and...if you dont like ''that'' version then you can try [http://www.geocities.com/bill33421/kantojohtoislands.png this one.]
you know what...you guys should create a page just to display fan art!
then we could put those there! {{unsigned|Bill33421}}

:We're a Pokémon Encyclopedia, not a Fan Art site. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 02:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

yeah well you dont have to be so mean about it...humph

:If I came off as being mean, then I apologize. I just meant that it's unlikely we'll have a page for displaying user's fanart, since that's not what Bulbapedia does. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 03:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

But hey, if you want to include any fan-esque speculation and art, you can always make a new page under your own user directory regarding that. Agry has her own page regarding what gender each Pokémon from the anime is that I find pretty interesting, even if it's nothing we can officially have on the Wiki it.--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 04:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

well fine...but i cant figure out how to make a sub page...could somebody tell me? thanks! [[User:Bill33421|Bill33421]]
:If you want a sub-page of your userpage, just put it at Bill33421/Whatever. For example, I have one of mine at [[User:TTEchidna/GSDS]].

Thx

:No, because Ash took a boat to travel there just like to Hoen(going to Sinnoh by an airship like to the Orange islandswould have been much quicker than a boat) - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Tomas}} ([[User talk:Tomas|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tomas|contribs]]) ''

hoenn must be farther south because a desert would only be able exist at high temperatures, which would logically place it closer to the equator. of course Gens I and II might not have deserts because of lack of programming space.--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 18:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

== THE ALL IMPORTANT QUESTION IN THE POKEMON WORLD ==

DO ANIMALS EXIST IN THIS WORLD!!! (other than the worms being eaten by Pigeotto in Episode 3)

:Yes. The episode in the Cerulean Gym shows fish swimming in the aquarium. Also, in the one with Brutella, there are fish swimming outside of the windows of the underwater resort. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[User:Shiny Noctowl/Trivia|Trivia quiz]][[Image:224MS.gif]] 21:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention that a coral reef (yes, they are classified as animals) was seen in the Manaphy movie.
:The anime has not featured real animals since early Kanto thus they are unimportant and this question is not what it was hyped up to be. (Coral is just decoration so it doesn't count even if it is officially animal.) --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 17:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

There seems to be a misconception stated in the article that only when baby Pokémon grow into their adult phase can they breed. Obviously not true. {{p|Pichu}}, evolve to {{p|Pikachu}}. Pikachu can still breed... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:52, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Pikachu is not a baby Pokémon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... some Pokémon seem to be similar to mammals, so why do they produce eggs?
Pikachu127

== Featured article ==

Only have one more section to expand and complete, then the article is finished. Do you think this article is "Featured article" worthy? If not... explain.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== I found this ==

Navegating through the internet I found this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Pok%C3%A9mon_Regions.png That changes a bit the part that says that Orre is based on Arizona. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Do you have a source for thiss??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hfc2X,
Although this is old, I would like to note that that is an accurate map. The only problem I noticed was Oree is not based off of Hiroshima Prefecture, because it doesn't have desert and No one in Japan likes to think about Hiroshima... but anyway. I think Orre ''is'' the Arizona Desert because it is the same shape and is totally desert. but thanks for sharing the map!! [[User:Sandshrew-san|Sandshrew-san]] 6:55 EDT November 17, 2009

== Has anyone seem this map before? Is it legiment? ==

There was this map I found. I think its for the TCG. Anyone seen it before?
Heres the link?
http://pojo.com/Features/Jan2002/022002Greg.html --[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 01:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:Judging from the cards depicted, it seems to be based on the Japanese TCG set [[E-Card 2 (TCG)|The Town On No Map]] (E-Card 2). --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 02:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== More Real World Correlation ==

Just checked a map of Japan. Does anyone else believe it's accurate to say that the position of the Indigo Plateau corresponds to the position of Mt. Fuji in the real world? If so, it may be worth noting on the main page. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 14:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I beleive it is accurate, but not note worthy.--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 18:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:Mt. Fuji is Mt. Silver. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

== Location, Location, Location ==

We all are wondering about where the regions are, and we have little to go by (we know Kanto and Johto are beside each other and that Hoenn and Sinnoh are islands). However, I was looking at the maps and had a revelation. Look at Johto/Kanto. Far east looks like Earth's far east. We have a peninsula (Veridian) that looks like Japan, further west is a peninsula (Pallet) that looks like India, still further west is a peninsula in the approximate location of Africa. It looks a lot like Eurasia. So that got me to thinking and I realized how much Hoenn looks like Australia, so why not put it due south of Cinnabar island? Then you have Sinnoh, which has snowpoint, mountains, and looks suspiciously like Greenland, so put it westnorthwest of Johto. Then the Orange Islands can go in the general Philippines area. I know this is all speculation and vague likenesses (and I realize that the regions are based on those of Japan, not what I said), but I needed to throw the idea out there for others to see, think about, and consider.

== What's wrong with the HeartGold and SoulSilver maps of Kanto and Johto? ==

There is a tint over them?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:KantoJohtoAreas.png explanation here] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::Alright, it's new to me, so thnx.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 17:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

== In the anime.... ==

In the anime in one episode (which I don't remember the specific name of) everyone in the episode mentions Hollywood and they go there, if I remember right. So wouldn't that be evidence that the Pokémon world is really just Earth itself, but with Pokémon? {{unsigned|TheLastCharmander}}
:1) Sign your comments (with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>), please. 2) Read the article, please. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 06:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

== Sun and other real-world connection stuff ==

I think the {{wp|Sun}} is another real-world reference -- not all planets have a perfectly-sized and yellowish-white sun anyway.
Besides, the {{wp|Gregorian calendar}} is also noteworthy. Together with the [[Foreign Building]], it is also a reference of {{wp|Christianity}}.
The history section is way too long, since we have another article dedicated to it. Just remove the "Magikarp mutated and became weaker", "Porygon was created in the 1990s", etc. The Kyogre and Groudun, Ho-oh and Lugia parts need to be shortened too. [[User:Rxhar|Rxhar]] 09:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Legendary dogs ==
The three legendary dogs were reincarnations of three Pokémon that died in the Tin Tower fire, and it seems that that part was completely left out. Should that be added.--[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 15:59, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Christian church ==

Should the episode in which the apparently Christian church appears be added to the section which mentions it? [[User:Bulbajer|Bulbajer]] 02:02, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think it's overtly Christian... It takes design elements from temples, churches, and mosques. Besides, in what capacity would it be added to the article? That the existence of such a building suggests that religion exists in the Pokémon world? It doesn't seem particularly noteworthy to me. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 02:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::Well we've got the [[Foreign Building]] in Hearthome... which episode are you talking about? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Earth in Movie 1 ==
Does anyone remember that Meowth said to his clone that they share the same EARTH!!! They live on EARTH! Although this is only the dub, I have not officially heard it in Japan. {{unsigned|Ashanddawn4evr}}

He could mean the same ''soil'' [[User:Synner|Synner]] 21:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I always thought that the world was called Pokearth instead of Pokemon World or Earth. It says so on www.serebii.net. Meowth might have meant soil or he might've shortened Pokearth to Earth.
[[User:Exsiiron|Exsiiron]] 22:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Pokéarth is just the name that Serebii gave to his locations navigation page. Nowhere does he claim that the Pokémon world is called such. It's just a contraction much like how just about any descriptive list is called <insert name of items in list>dex. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Earth ==

Isn't the planet technically Earth? It looks like Earth and they didn't say Pokémon took place in a distant galaxy. Why is it called "Pokémon World" instead of "Earth?"--[[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 16:22, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:Unless they specifically state it's Earth, it isn't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

:Why does the Johto dex reference earth? Poliraths entry states "This strong and skilled swimmer is even capable of crossing the '''Pacific Ocean''' just by kicking." This must mean something.[[User:DJDantae|DJDantae]] 07:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::[[Pokémon world in relation to the real world#Real-world locations mentioned|Yes, we know]]. There were many mentions of real places. But last I checked, "Sinnoh" is not the name of a real place. Yes, the Pokémon world was based on Earth. But it's not the same place we live in. It's never been said that they live on Earth. We can't make that assumption. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 08:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Under the "Technology" section, there is a link fail. Admins, can you please spot it and fix it? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== Minor edit request ==

Hi - in the section [[Pokémon world#Culture|Culture]], there should probably be a link to the [[Ever Grande Conference]] in the caption of the image. Thanks, ~[[User:SuperHamster|Super]][[User:SuperHamster|Hamster]] [[User talk:SuperHamster|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/SuperHamster|Contribs]] 02:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Edit request!! ==

Under the "Culture" section, a line reads: ''"so '''it''' plausible that the population believes in Pokémon as their religion"''.

That should probably read "it is". Admins! Get to it! [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 21:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== Multiple eggs?==

It says in the reproduction section that Pokémon will sometimes lay various eggs at a time. Is this referring to a specific episode of the anime or can you get more than one egg from a daycare center at once or what? I couldn't find anything about this in the [[Pokémon egg]] or [[Pokémon breeding]] articles. --[[User:Jared|Ja]][[User talk:Jared|red]] 04:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think it's just talking about how if you leave two Pokémon in the Day Care indefinitely, they'll continue to produce eggs (as opposed to one egg per Pokémon per stay in the Day Care). --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 05:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::I swear I once got two eggs from the same pair at the same time in Diamond. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Me too! D:--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 20:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Maybe it is possible, I haven't played any of the Gen IV games. If so, it really should say so in the breeding and/or egg articles. And I don't think it means what Zesty Cactus says, at least not the way it is written right now, with the phrase "'''at one time'''" --[[User:Jared|Ja]][[User talk:Jared|red]] 00:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I've never seen this, or heard of it happening anywhere. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Undeniable Proof that Pokemon World is OUR Earth! ==

While playing out the TRU Arceus event--where Arceus apparently creates either Dialga, Palkia or Giratina--there is a picture of our Earth (specifically the most famous picture of Earth taken by Apollo 17):

* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LbtRw87uOc#t=6m13s (This is a YouTube video, the link fast-forwards the video to the point in the montage that specifically shows the Earth)

Now, it makes sense that the montage is meant to show that Arceus is in control of the life and energy on and/or in the planet they're living on... by showing the Earth in that one scehe--specifically that one very VERY well known shot of it--instead of some kind of generic blue-green planet, means to me that they are most certainly on our planet Earth.

To which, I think this piece of information should be added to the article, maybe as evidence that the Pokemon World(s) take place on Earth (OUR Earth), albeit on a different Earth akin to DC Comic's Infinite Earths system, or like on the TV show "Sliders". - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 22:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:Dammit Nick, you had me fooled. I went to my travel agent and tryed to book a flight to Saffron City but she told me that it doesn't exist. Not on our planet, anyway.

:The Pokémon world is based on our Earth, yes, we have an entire article detailing the similarities. And this should definitely be mentioned there. But claiming that this takes place on OUR Earth? Not until Google Earth will give me driving directions from LaRousse City to Oldale Town. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 07:48, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

::I'm pretty sure that it's a parallel world. Should this be put (but only as a possibility) either [[Pokémon world|here]] or [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|here]]??--[[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 14:09, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Pokemon Planet Picture ==

:''An orbital view of the Pokémon world, seen in the anime. Note the striking resemblance to Earth.''
:Just because it is blue, does not mean it has a ''striking'' resemblance, the continents are very different to Earth's. However, it should be noted that Unova is shown on the planet. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 05:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== [[Pokémon world]] and [[Pokémon World]] ==

Does it bother anyone else that the two have identical titles but in different cases? One is this page, while another is a disambiguation page. I think that [[Pokémon World]] should be moved to {{red link|Pokémon World (disambiguation)}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== The world of Pokemon is based on Japanese culture. ==

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/index.php?paged=8 No.107

Because it was developer's(junichi masuda) opinion, I added it to the article. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:I think that this is a little pre-Gen V. :P [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash_Pokemaster]] 09:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

::In Unova, diversity is a theme. However, the developer keeps persistently putting the element of Japan.

::Skyarrow Bridge draws inspiration from the Brooklyn Bridge and {{wp|Rainbow Bridge}}(Tokyo).
::Entralink draws inspiration from the {{wp|Tokyo Imperial Palace}}.

::The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Um... If that's the source, then please link it or scan it or whatever, so that you're believable. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 16:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

:::: Someone was translating "Pokemon pia(Japanese magazine)". Is not "Nintendo Dream vol.204" translated? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

::::Setting of Unova by original(Japanese) version.

::::1 Currency＝Japanese yen.

::::2 Name of person＝Japanese name(About 70%)

::::3 name of region and City/Town＝Japanese name

::::The developer calls a Japanese version original, and says that the non-Japanese version is localize. [[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=80]]

::::I think that Japan influences it in addition. This is my guess.

::::1 Castelia City(Compound of New York and Tokyo.)

::::2 Abundant Shrine (The Shinto shrine is set up.)

::::I do not think that the influence of Japan is small in an original(Japanese) version. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:09, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Obviously it's influenced by Japanese culture even in Generation V, but based on? That's a different matter entirely. Just because hints of the creators' own culture worked their way into Unova doesn't mean that Japan was still its primary basis. And the currency, character names, and town names are in Japanese in the original because that's what the Japanese audience will understand and be familiar with. Every localization changes those things to be more understandable to their target audience as well. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::Do not you esteem original? Do you know that the Pokemon is a game of Japan?

::::::AndyPKMN「Obviously it's influenced by Japanese culture even in Generation V, but based on?」

::::::Because I am not a developer, it is not possible to declare. When information is found, it brings it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:56, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Look, this is silly. You were the same one stressing months ago that Unova had the "motif" of New York City rather than being "based on" New York City. Now you're arguing the opposite, that the culture of the Pokémon World is "based on" Japanese culture rather than simply including elements of Japanese culture. Yes, the original games are Japanese, and probably drew from the experience the developers had in their own culture. But they're not averse to drawing from other cultures; indeed, the Pokémon world seems to be as varied culturally as our own (besides currency, which is kept the same in all games for consistency's sake). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::::I do not say that the Japanese culture is a base. I wanted to object that the culture of Japan was little.
::::::::Sawamular101「In Unova, diversity is a theme. However, the developer keeps persistently putting the element of Japan.」

::::::::This is my remark. If the symbol of another country is arranged, that brought the culture of another country.

::::::::If "Currency" and "Name of person" and "name of region and City/Town" is consistent, it may be called a culture.

::::::::I'm sorry in unskilled English. Is the discussion impossible?[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

::::::::I got the impression from the third party.[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:SnorlaxMonster]

::::::::I think, original is "Especial". However, there is a person who says, "not Especial", too.
::::::::Because various ideas are respected, let's concede each other. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:13, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

== Scandinavia x2? ==

I was looking around for info about Unova in the wiki, when I noticed something in this "http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Unova_world_map.png" map.

Look at the lower right corner at the map, see the continents facing each other, there you have 2 identical copies of Scandinavia (-Denmark). comments?

link for wikipedia, for those who don't know what Scandinavia is: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia"

(I am new to editing Wiki pages, so I don't know the codes yet, someone edit this so its readable, please?)
:Yeah. It looks like Scandinavia. But, this is just an anime map. It's entirely made up, it's not like GameFreak or the Anime will create future regions in that map. Also, make sure you sign your name. (Just look at the reminder above when editing. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 18:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

:I just reacted to the fact that they where so near, and completely identical, its like the crators did not put any effort in it. btw, I did not get my hopes up for a Scandinavia pokemon region, I know that is less likely than, let say, a Germany based region.--[[User:Grambo|Grambo]] 19:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
::(Make sure you add another colon when replying, for example, if you will reply to my post, you need to have 3 colons). Well, because Unova is the focus of that map, so the creators didn't really pay much attention to the rest of the continents on the map. But, what were you trying to say? Did you want someone to point it out in the article?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 21:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:PokemonWorldAnime.png It's not the first time that map has appeared], so it is possible that it could be canon. The similarities are pointed out in the article for BW009, so it could be added if there is not something about it already, but you would need to check with an Admin first.
:::this is the trivia form BW009's page:
:::''When rotated 90 degrees, some continents or parts of them shown in Team Rocket's computer [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|highly resemble]] areas of the real world, such as {{wp|Greenland}}, {{wp|Fennoscandia}} & {{wp|Novaya Zemlya}}.''
:::'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Does the Pokemon look like the world of the monotheism in an English version? ==

It is a Japanese version and Pokemon's world is like polytheism.

I was surprised for Celebi not to be worshiped as a god in an English version. It is explained that all Pokemons worshiped in the shrine(hokora) in a Japanese version are gods(KAMI). Does an English version write only "Arceus" as a god?

It knows there is a problem in the translation of KAMI with the god. However, all are same classes as KAMI when seeing from the viewpoint of Shintoism(Japanese).

Does Pokemon's world (English version) look like the monotheism? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:35, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Karl

2011-08-03T01:43:50Z

Sawamular101: /* Move */

==Move==
[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/wp-content/images/1008/kuruto.jpg The GameFreak art blog] (not "A Japanese website", btw) also says that his name is Kuruto.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:No. They do this all the time in pictures links. They tend not to use the trademarked romaji. Especially with Pokémon cards. Pikachu. Nyaasu. Kamekkusu. Burakki. Etc. Picture links are not a good source of confirmation. The English version is coming out soon anyway. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:23, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:: Was a Japanese version officially decided Kurt? I think that this name is appropriate if it is not official. The name that not fan name but those who produced decided is more appropriate. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
::: Kuruto is not a name though... That's like saying [[Cilan|Dent]] should be "Dento" because Dent was never confirmed. Official Pokémon websites have used alternate romanizations in their images titles, as I said before. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Who decided that kuruto was not a name? [http://profile.ameba.jp/kuruton9610/] And, the Pokemon is a make-believe world. A unique name exists, too.

::::It is different from the situation with DENTO. The name is described with person entitled's URL. Fan name is surely inferior.

::::Do you know a Japanese name to be adopted officially?[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/typing/outline/]

::::It gives priority to fan name more than the site of SUGIMORI. I think that it is an event terribly conceited. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 19:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Dent/Dento is not good example, [http://ameblo.jp/marsken/image-10693207042-10832316628.html because Dent is official]. Anyways, I agree with Sawamular; Kuruto really seems to be a legit name according to Google search.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 19:48, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::Just to show you [http://jisho.org/words?jap=kuruto&eng=&dict=edict]. And this: [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AB%E3%83%88]. But what ever. Do as you wish. I'm tired of the arguing and the edit warring. And this constant editing is bad for the server. Just know that I greatly disapprove. Official websites have listed cards with improper romanizations as I keep mentioning. I don't see why GameFreak is an exception.

:::::: Please do not use the Pokémon typing game as a confirmation for anything, if that's what you're trying to say. I don't think I have to explain why...

:::::: Okay. So Dent is a bad example. But I can think of others. [[Isis|Ishisu]], [[Tuttle|Tatoru]], [[Amy (anime)|Eemi]], [[Langley|Ranguree]]. We don't know the basic romanizations technically so should we just change them to said names?

::::::PS: Not trying to break the CoC with my comment. I've just become very frustrated with this situation. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:36, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::Fan name is more excellent than an original Japanese name. Thus, there are silly discrimination feelings.

:::::::The Japanese name is only and original a name. Is the blasphemy to Japanese of the original language happy? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::If you are trying to say that I'm being disrespectful to the Japanese language, I highly resent that. I have the utmost respect for it. It'd be a entirely different story of the names were actually in writing in GameFreak's blog. But we are talking about file names. They could have just saved them as those names for all we know. Maybe they didn't know the true romanizations for them. If you look up Kuruto spelled in katakana anywhere, it is usually Kurt. You're making it seem like I made up the rule for it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::::It is usually written by the katakana in Pokemon's world. Please give priority to the name of the West if you do not understand the distinction between a Japanese name and the West name. Your opinion is misled.

:::::::::「It'd be a entirely different story of the names were actually in writing in GameFreak's blog.」

:::::::::Could you prove this? Is there a precedent of having differed in "official Japanese name" and "URL name"?

:::::::::Because an English version is LOCALIZE version, it doesn't become an object of comparison (To make the people on the west side pleased, it was modified). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 23:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::::What do you want me to prove, exactly? I just said that if GameFreak wrote down "Kuruto" in he blog itself or on the image that I would be more inclined to believe it. I don't know how many times I have to say URL links should not be trusted.

::::::::::And again, you are assuming that I'm only doing this because I like things westernized when it's not the case. If it was I wouldn't have changed Albert to Alberto or Katumi to Katsumi. All I'm going by are basic definitions and how Kuruto is used in the Japanese language and I have not yet found anything were it's used for Japanese words. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:35, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::::::It might be a GameFreak site, but they can't even spell their own name correctly... look at the sheets for the 14th movie. All of them. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 23:41, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::::::::This is that I prove and want it. Please prove the URL name to be different from an official Japanese name. Please do not compare it with an official English name. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 23:44, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

After all, will you complain to URL name because it sees from the aspect of an English version?

A Japanese version and an English version are different. It is conceited to complain to a Japanese version in the standard of an English version.

I return it to KURUTO if there is no evidence that the URL name is not corresponding to an official, Japanese name. However, I will wait for several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:46, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

:You will not change it. I've already given my final decision as the head of Project Anime. Kuruto is not a real word or a name even in Japanese. It has nothing to do with the English language. I've looked an can't find anything other than usernames for blogging sites. Meanwhile I have presented sites with far more credibility. Changing him to Kuruto be no different from calling Alice "Arisu". If it was actually a real Japanese word, I would definitely drop it right now. But from what I looked at, it isn't. If you change it again without approval, you could face a ban.

:I will not repeat myself to you any longer. '''URLs for images are not viable sources''', even if they are from official websites. The Great Butler has also said Game Freak has made other spelling errors in the blog as well. If they make mistakes like "[[Kevin (anime)|Kebin]]" and "[[Sheena|Si'na]]", why should we trust this one? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:31, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

::KURUTO(In this case, it is family name.)[http://www.shizuoka-eiwa.ac.jp/kyoshokuin/kuruto_r.html] [http://www.fcg-r.co.jp/research/event/profile/kuruto.html]

::The person who can declare that it is a misspelling doesn't exist in bulbapedia.

::When this is official name, it is an insulting remark against those who produce. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:43, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

== Kurt's Hat ==

Is the design on Kurt's hat supposed to be a [[Woobat]]? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yes...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:28, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh jeez, was that already there? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Karl

2011-08-03T00:46:19Z

Sawamular101: /* Move */

==Move==
[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/wp-content/images/1008/kuruto.jpg The GameFreak art blog] (not "A Japanese website", btw) also says that his name is Kuruto.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:No. They do this all the time in pictures links. They tend not to use the trademarked romaji. Especially with Pokémon cards. Pikachu. Nyaasu. Kamekkusu. Burakki. Etc. Picture links are not a good source of confirmation. The English version is coming out soon anyway. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:23, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:: Was a Japanese version officially decided Kurt? I think that this name is appropriate if it is not official. The name that not fan name but those who produced decided is more appropriate. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
::: Kuruto is not a name though... That's like saying [[Cilan|Dent]] should be "Dento" because Dent was never confirmed. Official Pokémon websites have used alternate romanizations in their images titles, as I said before. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Who decided that kuruto was not a name? [http://profile.ameba.jp/kuruton9610/] And, the Pokemon is a make-believe world. A unique name exists, too.

::::It is different from the situation with DENTO. The name is described with person entitled's URL. Fan name is surely inferior.

::::Do you know a Japanese name to be adopted officially?[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/typing/outline/]

::::It gives priority to fan name more than the site of SUGIMORI. I think that it is an event terribly conceited. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 19:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Dent/Dento is not good example, [http://ameblo.jp/marsken/image-10693207042-10832316628.html because Dent is official]. Anyways, I agree with Sawamular; Kuruto really seems to be a legit name according to Google search.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 19:48, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::Just to show you [http://jisho.org/words?jap=kuruto&eng=&dict=edict]. And this: [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AB%E3%83%88]. But what ever. Do as you wish. I'm tired of the arguing and the edit warring. And this constant editing is bad for the server. Just know that I greatly disapprove. Official websites have listed cards with improper romanizations as I keep mentioning. I don't see why GameFreak is an exception.

:::::: Please do not use the Pokémon typing game as a confirmation for anything, if that's what you're trying to say. I don't think I have to explain why...

:::::: Okay. So Dent is a bad example. But I can think of others. [[Isis|Ishisu]], [[Tuttle|Tatoru]], [[Amy (anime)|Eemi]], [[Langley|Ranguree]]. We don't know the basic romanizations technically so should we just change them to said names?

::::::PS: Not trying to break the CoC with my comment. I've just become very frustrated with this situation. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:36, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::Fan name is more excellent than an original Japanese name. Thus, there are silly discrimination feelings.

:::::::The Japanese name is only and original a name. Is the blasphemy to Japanese of the original language happy? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::If you are trying to say that I'm being disrespectful to the Japanese language, I highly resent that. I have the utmost respect for it. It'd be a entirely different story of the names were actually in writing in GameFreak's blog. But we are talking about file names. They could have just saved them as those names for all we know. Maybe they didn't know the true romanizations for them. If you look up Kuruto spelled in katakana anywhere, it is usually Kurt. You're making it seem like I made up the rule for it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::::It is usually written by the katakana in Pokemon's world. Please give priority to the name of the West if you do not understand the distinction between a Japanese name and the West name. Your opinion is misled.

:::::::::「It'd be a entirely different story of the names were actually in writing in GameFreak's blog.」

:::::::::Could you prove this? Is there a precedent of having differed in "official Japanese name" and "URL name"?

:::::::::Because an English version is LOCALIZE version, it doesn't become an object of comparison (To make the people on the west side pleased, it was modified). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 23:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::::What do you want me to prove, exactly? I just said that if GameFreak wrote down "Kuruto" in he blog itself or on the image that I would be more inclined to believe it. I don't know how many times I have to say URL links should not be trusted.

::::::::::And again, you are assuming that I'm only doing this because I like things westernized when it's not the case. If it was I wouldn't have changed Albert to Alberto or Katumi to Katsumi. All I'm going by are basic definitions and how Kuruto is used in the Japanese language and I have not yet found anything were it's used for Japanese words. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:35, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::::::It might be a GameFreak site, but they can't even spell their own name correctly... look at the sheets for the 14th movie. All of them. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 23:41, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::::::::This is that I prove and want it. Please prove the URL name to be different from an official Japanese name. Please do not compare it with an official English name. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 23:44, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

After all, will you complain to URL name because it sees from the aspect of an English version?

A Japanese version and an English version are different. It is conceited to complain to a Japanese version in the standard of an English version.

I return it to KURUTO if there is no evidence that the URL name is not corresponding to an official, Japanese name. However, I will wait for several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:46, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

== Kurt's Hat ==

Is the design on Kurt's hat supposed to be a [[Woobat]]? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yes...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:28, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh jeez, was that already there? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

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== What I mean when I say Aomori ==

Aomori has features that generally fit with the current map of Isshu, including dual large mountain ranges, a large lake, forests, extensive railroads, and cities that somewhat match up in size and location. Sure, it is missing the bridges and there's really no version of Huin City (plus you have to move that large peninsula) but it's still possible. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 04:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

:The map of isshu is mysterious.

:It looks like aomori, Manhattan, and Shanghai according to the aspect. However, it doesn't completely agree to aomori, Manhattan, and Shanghai.

:It is thought that it planned so that "Game freak" may make the topicality. The game freak is a group of the satan who sets us the unending argument. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:29, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

::By the size factor, Manhattan is eliminated unless the Isshu region is extremely small. I got into a big debate over this before but the Manhattan area that looks like Isshu is 35.41 km (22 mi) by 35.41 km (22mi), while Tokyo, which I assume is bigger than 35.41km x 35.41, only gets ヤマブキシティ and タマムシシティ to represent it.

::By the way, if you want someone to correct your translations, I am the one to go to. Or anyone else who writes stories. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 07:53, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/
:::Director was said yesterday. "pokemon B&W changed how to create it. "

:::The common sense of current pokemon might not apply. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Well, Satoshi said that a while back too. ”これはポケモンですか。”　--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: It was Digimon that Satoshi saw.(lol [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:24, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

== Tate and Liza ==

According to an old edit summary, ''Volume 17 of PokeSpecial has them in Romaji as Fu & Lan.'' That makes it an official romanisation. Bulbapedia uses official romanisations where available, even if they are technically "wrong", as that is what is used by Nintendo. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
:OK . It understood. Thank you for the explanation. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 23:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== すなかき ==

Sawamularさん、ちょっと頼みがありますけど・・・新特性の「すなかき」って、どういう意味だと思いますか？私は困っちゃいます。BulbanewsではSand Throw(砂を投げる)が乗っているけど私にはそれはちょっと・・・

もし分かったらどうぞ[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:Umeko/Unreleased_abilities&action=edit&section=41 ここ]に書き変わってもいい。

では

[[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:58, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

:個人的には"水かき(みずかき)"と同じようなものだと思います。"水かき"とは水生動物の指の間に張られた薄膜です(水かきによって早く泳げます)。"すなかき"の能力が素早さが上がるものであれば"水かき"の言葉遊びで確定でしょうが、"すなかき"の能力が分からないので保留にしておいた方がいいんじゃないでしょうか？ [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
::「みずかき」か・・・そうかもね。調べたらトレカで「みずかき」は"Flipper Stroke"(水掻きで摩る・・・かも？)に訳した。こんな場合に普段過去の訳を見て適当に変わりますけどこの訳・・微妙ですねww
::しばらくローマ字の"Sunakaki"を残ってます。
::相談ありがとうございました！ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Keito ==

"Keito" is the Japanese spelling of the Western name "Kate", still. Even if the creators named her after a plant, I don't see why we should romanize her name literally. The name has double meaning - both the plant name and the name "Kate". We shouldn't Engrish-ize her name like that just because of some plant etymology. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

:http://ameblo.jp/ktfo/
:Thank you for coming. A Japanese woman who introduces herself as keito exists. You may change it into Kate if there is a source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

The topic moves here. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Hall_Matron_Argenta [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:51, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Umeko#Romanization こっちに覗いてみて下さい] ==

「フラワーショップサン・トウカ」のローマ字化についての問題です。ちょっと手伝ってくれませんか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:40, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
: 日本は今、朝の6時だよ。眠たいので拒否します。 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 21:23, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
::ちょっｗｗｗはいはい、ご苦労さん。 [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:28, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

==Japanese names==
Hi Sawamular! I saw that you’re adding phrases like ''A common Japanese given name'' or ''A common Japanese surname'' to pages about characters and I really appreciate your effort. But, personally, I think that a character having a common Japanese given name in the original Japanese version is quite normal and not very notable. So, I wouldn’t add it. It’s more interesting if they have a surname instead of a given name in Japanese. 
Also, in the ''Origin'' column of ''Names'' tables we usually write about the intended meaning of names (and not other unrelated informations). Western names for characters (in English, French, German, Italian and Spanish) are chosen because they remind of words related to their features (mainly their favorite Pokémon type). So, [[Brock]] is similar to ''rock'', [[Bugsy]] is similar to ''bug'', [[Wattson]] is similar to ''watt'', [[Byron]] is similar to ''iron''. I’m not really competent about their Japanese names and I don’t know if they have some pun or hidden meaning. Some of them, apparently, seem to relate to their type. For example: ハヤト ([[Falkner]]) can be written as 隼人, トウキ ([[Brawly]]) can be written as 闘気, カゲツ ([[Sidney]]) is similar to 影, カスミ ([[Misty]]) can be written as 霞み, スモモ ([[Maylene]]) could be a reference to Sumo… 
Maybe you could help us finding if their Japanese names have a particular meaning, like their Western ones. --[[User:Siegfried|Siegfried]] 13:49, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

:Because the contribution of my effort was deleted, I got depressed.

:The character with a general Japanese name has decreased. It puts it out as an example of Gym Leader.

:It is recognized a Japanese name general almost in "Generations 1 and 2". The plant name for which the majority is used as a general Japanese name is adopted.

:However, the common sense collapses almost in "Generations 3 and 4". It becomes a plant origin from which it is not used for the name of a person. The game freak is exhausted of the idea, and this difference is interesting. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

:It is people who have a general Japanese name in "Generations 1 2 3 4".

:Generations 1 Brock(takeshi) Misty(Kasumi) Erika(Erika) Koga(kyo) Sabrina(Natsume) Blaine(katsura) Giovanni(sakaki)

:Generations 2 Falkner(hayato) Whitney(Akane) Morty(Matsuba) Chuck(Shijima) Pryce(Yanagi) Clair(Ibuki)

:Generations 3 0

:Generations 4 0

:It decreases obviously. Explaining "A common Japanese surname and given name" "doesn't seem to be valueless. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:36, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Even if this insistence is done to Mr. Siegfried, it is improper. I seem to be terribly tired. I make an effort if I might be able to contribute to the origin of the name. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:36, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

:Interesting analysis. I think I don't fully understand your definition of "general Japanese name". Are you saying that nobody in Japan is called Tsutsuji, Touki, Tessen, Asuna, Senri, Kagetsu, Sumomo, Suzuna, Natane or Kikuno? As I said before, I'm not competent about Japanese given names. But to me, some of them seem possible Japanese given names. Are you saying that they are just words and not legitimate Japanese given names? If so, I think it could be noted in their page. However I think that normal Japanese names shouldn't be noted as such. Good luck with the name puns in Japanese! --[[User:Siegfried|Siegfried]] 17:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::Kikuno is a general Japanese surname. It doesn't enter the above-mentioned because it is Elite Four. I insist that it is a general Japanese name if the name of the person is retrieved on the Internet and two or more people come out(Only the real person).

::"Tsutsuji, Touki, Tessen, Asuna, Senri, Kagetsu, Sumomo, Suzuna, Natane"
::There might be a Japanese of the name like the above-mentioned. The number of parents who give a strange name increases recently. I felt it like a usual name of touki. However, the real person was not retrieved when examining it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== Translation ==

多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。'''その感じもニューヨークにすごく近いんです。'''

You translated as "outlook on the world of isshu is near NY."

Is it a better translation to say "It is similar in feeling to New York."?

My Japanese is a bit rusty so...

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

: "It is similar in feeling to New York." This is a little different.
: "I feel very close to New York". This is completely corresponding. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== Regarding the use of loanwords ==

This is a touchy subject that I don't know much about, myself.

Could you, in Japanese as it is easier for you, explain loanwords?

Like in the case of the interview using the English loanword, motif.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 19:31, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:Explanation of motif in Japan.

:http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch/0/0na/22287718255000/
:文学・美術などで、創作の動機となった主要な思想や題材。
:The main thought and theme that became motive of creation.

:http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%A2%E3%83%81%E3%83%BC%E3%83%95
:絵画・彫刻などの芸術作品で、表現の動機・きっかけとなった、中心的な思想・思い
:Thought that becomes motive of production.

:http://d.hatena.ne.jp/keyword/%A5%E2%A5%C1%A1%BC%A5%D5
:動機。題材。
:Motive. Theme.

:I also am doing the usage like the above-mentioned by the real life. Does the meaning of the motif change in USA? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:23, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:Is this answer of me appropriate? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:26, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::No, it does not change in the US. It's an English word so it's definition is constant.
::But I meant, "could you explain loanwords?" Like you did when you explained usage of the や particle to Umeko.
::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:47, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

:::Mackinz「But I meant, "could you explain loanwords?" Like you did when you explained usage of the や particle to Umeko.」

:::The machine translation seems not to operate well. Could you say more in detail? Do I explain the loan word? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]]
::::Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he would like you to explain how (or why) English words appear as loanwords in Japanese. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:11, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thank you. It was possible to understand.

http://www.excite.co.jp/News/bit/E1279601955369.html
鎧をモチーフにしたジーンズ
Jeans that make armor motif

http://eiga.com/news/20100722/2/
ティム・バートン最新作は日本の怪獣がモチーフ
In the latest in Tim Burton work, Japanese monster is a motif.

http://www.afpbb.com/article/life-culture/life/2605578/4188742
ランジェリー・コンテスト、優勝モチーフは「キャベツ」
The lingerie contest and the victory motif are the cabbages.

Is this?[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:22, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Why does the Japanese use an English loan word? It is because of convenience. The child understands katakana more first than kanji. It is easy to remember the loan word because it is written with katakana. An English(katakana) loan word is too general in Japan.

At what time is an English loan word used?

1 When there is no word corresponding to Japanese.

2 The loan word is general in Japan. It groundlessly uses it.

Was there an answer for which Mr. Mackinz hoped? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 05:23, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, thank you, Sawamu-san. That clears things up a bit for me. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:57, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

== Erm... ==

...thanks? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Express gratitude to you for (lol. Keep working. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 13:17, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

== Good afternoon, can I bother you for a few minutes? ==

This is a line of interest to me from http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html

岩田

で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、
その次に何が決まるんですか？

But I'm having trouble translating it. It mentions using New York as the first motif if my rough translation is correct.

Could you help me, please? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:24, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

:Yes, your translation is correct. The first inspiration of isshu is NY.

:岩田　で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、その次に何が決まるんですか？
:iwata「The motif of the stage is decided to NY. What after this is decided?」

:増田　舞台を決めて、どこの、どういう場所に町をつくるか、というのをだいたい決めるんですけど、これもニューヨークのＭｏＭＡ（※10）に行きまして・・・。
:masuda「After the stage is decided, it thinks about the array of the town. I went to MoMA of NY.」

:岩田　ニューヨーク近代美術館ですね。
:iwata「It is The Museum of Modern Art, New York.」

:増田　はい。美術館の中庭のイスに座ってアイデアを練っていたんですけど、そのときに、六角形のイメージがパッと浮かんだんです。
:六角形というと、ハチの巣があったりしますよね。そこで、ニューヨークのマンハッタンを中央に置き、両サイドに町や自然など含めて、それぞれを六角形でつなげていけば面白いんじゃないかと思ったんです。
:masuda「The idea was worked over sitting on the chair of the museum. The idea of the hexagon was conceived. The hexagon recalls the beehive.
:Manhattan of NY is put on the center. The town and nature are set up on both sides. And, it was thought that it was interesting if tying in the hexagon. 」

:The procedure of production is spoken. It is clarified that the arrangement of a right and left town did not refer to NY of the reality.
:My translation is rough. I'm sorry. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:16, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

:で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、その次に何が決まるんですか？
:Only this sentence is translated. If it is this sentence alone, the word "The first motif" is not described. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:17, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

::勝手ながらもお邪魔させて頂きます。
::To clarify Sawamular's point, Iwata is not talking about deciding on New York as the "first model" in a line of many places used for the setting of B&W; rather, he is talking about the "first" step in Masuda's process of conceiving the world of B&W: deciding on New York as the "model." Hope that helps. [[User:Kamen no Otoko|Kamen no Otoko]] 16:45, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

:::Thank you for help. However, the word "Model" is not used. We faithfully follow the word "Motif". 助力有難う御座います。「モデルなんて言葉使ってない」この文が失礼に感じられたらゴメンネ。機械翻訳を使用してるので直感的に言うしかないんです。回りくどい言い方をすると、機械翻訳を通したときに支離滅裂な文になるんです。配慮が足りない英語で申し訳ない。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

::::いえ、どういたしまして。少しでもお役に立てれば嬉しいですが。そして、サワムラーさんの文が全然失礼に感じていないので、ご安心下さい。モチーフのこと、了解です。テンションやトレーナーなど、外来語が必ずしも日本語でも同じ意味に使われるわけではない、ということの語例がいくつかあり、その上、この場合「モチーフ」という言葉は確か英語の「モデル」という意味合いが含まれているのでは、という気がしたので勝手に書き替えてしまいまして、申し訳ございません。 [[User:Kamen no Otoko|Kamen no Otoko]] 17:24, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::ご丁寧に有難う御座います。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Can I ask what you and Kamen boy are talking about?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::He just apologized for the overly direct English sentences in his post. As he is relying on machine translation, he has no choice but to phrase things as bluntly as possible; otherwise--that is, were he to take a more indirect approach--the sentence would become incoherent. I used "model" instead of "motif" in my description, and he clarified that BP has decided (apparently after much debate, from what I've read) to use "motif" as it is. I just remarked that I felt "model" was justified because loanwords do not always carry the same meaning in Japanese as in English (see テンション、トレーナー、etc.), and it seems that the use of the word "モチーフ" in this case had the implication of the English "model." Nonetheless,「郷に入れば郷に従え」ということで、I guess the word "motif" stands.
:::::::Also, Kamen no Otoko = 仮面の男→仮面（mask）+ 男（man）= Masked Man. ;D [[User:Kamen no Otoko|Kamen no Otoko]] 22:08, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Ah, thank you for explaining. I was the one who fought to clarify that motif does not mean model on BP. And this translation proves it (I.E. the Model of the Stage is sort of backwards considering the words are mostly used the same ways. Motif, on the other hand, means something entirely different, applying only to the surface features like a theme. Case in point, a wall with a sailboat motif is not a sailboat.)
::::::::Also, sorry about the name. It's been a year or so since I studied Japanese so my grasp of proper translation is slipping. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::舞台 is not "stage" here, though--it's more properly rendered as "setting." I suppose the issue can only be truly settled by keeping tabs on whether or not Masuda ever uses a different phrasing regarding the connection between New York and Isshu. And no worries about the name; I just wanted to point it out since I figured that you just didn't know what 仮面 was, and that "man" is generally preferable when translating 男. [[User:Kamen no Otoko|Kamen no Otoko]] 22:51, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So the motif of the setting? Still, there has been no mention of New York as 舞台, only as モチフ. If any of them maent New York as a setting, why would they use モチフ over 舞台? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::No, NY was never implied as the setting itself, but as the "inspiration" for the setting. 舞台 ''is'' "stage," but it is being used figuratively to talk about the "setting" of the game. Regardless of whether it was used as the "theme" or the "model," New York is never said to ''be'' the setting. [[User:Kamen no Otoko|Kamen no Otoko]] 03:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== Village Bridge Origin ==

Hi! You said that in the trivia that the Village Bridge is based on the "Bridge" in Italy.... There is no "Bridge" in Italy. Is there a specific name, or is it an italian based name?? Please clarify, and you or I can change it back. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 15:59, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

:I corrected the sentence. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:52, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Forth Bridge ==

Hi, I just to clarify something about the Tubeline Bridge, does Nintendo Dream vol.204 say the it is based on the {{wp|Forth Railway Bridge}}, {{wp|Forth Road Bridge}}, or both? Thanks. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 01:31, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

:It is described that it is Forth Bridge(フォース鉄道橋) in Japanese. There was no reference to Forth Railway Bridge and Forth Road Bridge. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:50, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== So you know ==

My intent is not to be offensive to people of Japanese origin. I just do not trust image URLs. Like I said, if it was written down on the images or written in the blog, I would not deny it. Image URLs are just not trustworthy. So please try to remain calm if someone disagrees with you and don't lash out at what they have to say. Thank you. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
: After all, my remark might be impolitely heard. I'm sorry. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 23:56, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Karl

2011-08-02T23:46:06Z

Sawamular101: /* Move */

==Move==
[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/wp-content/images/1008/kuruto.jpg The GameFreak art blog] (not "A Japanese website", btw) also says that his name is Kuruto.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:No. They do this all the time in pictures links. They tend not to use the trademarked romaji. Especially with Pokémon cards. Pikachu. Nyaasu. Kamekkusu. Burakki. Etc. Picture links are not a good source of confirmation. The English version is coming out soon anyway. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:23, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:: Was a Japanese version officially decided Kurt? I think that this name is appropriate if it is not official. The name that not fan name but those who produced decided is more appropriate. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
::: Kuruto is not a name though... That's like saying [[Cilan|Dent]] should be "Dento" because Dent was never confirmed. Official Pokémon websites have used alternate romanizations in their images titles, as I said before. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Who decided that kuruto was not a name? [http://profile.ameba.jp/kuruton9610/] And, the Pokemon is a make-believe world. A unique name exists, too.

::::It is different from the situation with DENTO. The name is described with person entitled's URL. Fan name is surely inferior.

::::Do you know a Japanese name to be adopted officially?[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/typing/outline/]

::::It gives priority to fan name more than the site of SUGIMORI. I think that it is an event terribly conceited. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 19:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Dent/Dento is not good example, [http://ameblo.jp/marsken/image-10693207042-10832316628.html because Dent is official]. Anyways, I agree with Sawamular; Kuruto really seems to be a legit name according to Google search.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 19:48, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::Just to show you [http://jisho.org/words?jap=kuruto&eng=&dict=edict]. And this: [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AB%E3%83%88]. But what ever. Do as you wish. I'm tired of the arguing and the edit warring. And this constant editing is bad for the server. Just know that I greatly disapprove. Official websites have listed cards with improper romanizations as I keep mentioning. I don't see why GameFreak is an exception.

:::::: Please do not use the Pokémon typing game as a confirmation for anything, if that's what you're trying to say. I don't think I have to explain why...

:::::: Okay. So Dent is a bad example. But I can think of others. [[Isis|Ishisu]], [[Tuttle|Tatoru]], [[Amy (anime)|Eemi]], [[Langley|Ranguree]]. We don't know the basic romanizations technically so should we just change them to said names?

::::::PS: Not trying to break the CoC with my comment. I've just become very frustrated with this situation. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:36, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::Fan name is more excellent than an original Japanese name. Thus, there are silly discrimination feelings.

:::::::The Japanese name is only and original a name. Is the blasphemy to Japanese of the original language happy? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::If you are trying to say that I'm being disrespectful to the Japanese language, I highly resent that. I have the utmost respect for it. It'd be a entirely different story of the names were actually in writing in GameFreak's blog. But we are talking about file names. They could have just saved them as those names for all we know. Maybe they didn't know the true romanizations for them. If you look up Kuruto spelled in katakana anywhere, it is usually Kurt. You're making it seem like I made up the rule for it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::::It is usually written by the katakana in Pokemon's world. Please give priority to the name of the West if you do not understand the distinction between a Japanese name and the West name. Your opinion is misled.

:::::::::「It'd be a entirely different story of the names were actually in writing in GameFreak's blog.」

:::::::::Could you prove this? Is there a precedent of having differed in "official Japanese name" and "URL name"?

:::::::::Because an English version is LOCALIZE version, it doesn't become an object of comparison (To make the people on the west side pleased, it was modified). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 23:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::::What do you want me to prove, exactly? I just said that if GameFreak wrote down "Kuruto" in he blog itself or on the image that I would be more inclined to believe it. I don't know how many times I have to say URL links should not be trusted.

::::::::::And again, you are assuming that I'm only doing this because I like things westernized when it's not the case. If it was I wouldn't have changed Albert to Alberto or Katumi to Katsumi. All I'm going by are basic definitions and how Kuruto is used in the Japanese language and I have not yet found anything were it's used for Japanese words. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:35, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::::::It might be a GameFreak site, but they can't even spell their own name correctly... look at the sheets for the 14th movie. All of them. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 23:41, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::::::::This is that I prove and want it. Please prove the URL name to be different from an official Japanese name. Please do not compare it with an official English name. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 23:44, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

== Kurt's Hat ==

Is the design on Kurt's hat supposed to be a [[Woobat]]? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yes...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:28, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh jeez, was that already there? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Karl

2011-08-02T23:44:23Z

Sawamular101: /* Move */

==Move==
[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/wp-content/images/1008/kuruto.jpg The GameFreak art blog] (not "A Japanese website", btw) also says that his name is Kuruto.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:No. They do this all the time in pictures links. They tend not to use the trademarked romaji. Especially with Pokémon cards. Pikachu. Nyaasu. Kamekkusu. Burakki. Etc. Picture links are not a good source of confirmation. The English version is coming out soon anyway. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:23, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:: Was a Japanese version officially decided Kurt? I think that this name is appropriate if it is not official. The name that not fan name but those who produced decided is more appropriate. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
::: Kuruto is not a name though... That's like saying [[Cilan|Dent]] should be "Dento" because Dent was never confirmed. Official Pokémon websites have used alternate romanizations in their images titles, as I said before. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:47, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
::::Who decided that kuruto was not a name? [http://profile.ameba.jp/kuruton9610/] And, the Pokemon is a make-believe world. A unique name exists, too.

::::It is different from the situation with DENTO. The name is described with person entitled's URL. Fan name is surely inferior.

::::Do you know a Japanese name to be adopted officially?[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/typing/outline/]

::::It gives priority to fan name more than the site of SUGIMORI. I think that it is an event terribly conceited. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 19:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::Dent/Dento is not good example, [http://ameblo.jp/marsken/image-10693207042-10832316628.html because Dent is official]. Anyways, I agree with Sawamular; Kuruto really seems to be a legit name according to Google search.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 19:48, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::Just to show you [http://jisho.org/words?jap=kuruto&eng=&dict=edict]. And this: [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AB%E3%83%88]. But what ever. Do as you wish. I'm tired of the arguing and the edit warring. And this constant editing is bad for the server. Just know that I greatly disapprove. Official websites have listed cards with improper romanizations as I keep mentioning. I don't see why GameFreak is an exception.

:::::: Please do not use the Pokémon typing game as a confirmation for anything, if that's what you're trying to say. I don't think I have to explain why...

:::::: Okay. So Dent is a bad example. But I can think of others. [[Isis|Ishisu]], [[Tuttle|Tatoru]], [[Amy (anime)|Eemi]], [[Langley|Ranguree]]. We don't know the basic romanizations technically so should we just change them to said names?

::::::PS: Not trying to break the CoC with my comment. I've just become very frustrated with this situation. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:36, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::Fan name is more excellent than an original Japanese name. Thus, there are silly discrimination feelings.

:::::::The Japanese name is only and original a name. Is the blasphemy to Japanese of the original language happy? [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:46, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::If you are trying to say that I'm being disrespectful to the Japanese language, I highly resent that. I have the utmost respect for it. It'd be a entirely different story of the names were actually in writing in GameFreak's blog. But we are talking about file names. They could have just saved them as those names for all we know. Maybe they didn't know the true romanizations for them. If you look up Kuruto spelled in katakana anywhere, it is usually Kurt. You're making it seem like I made up the rule for it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::::It is usually written by the katakana in Pokemon's world. Please give priority to the name of the West if you do not understand the distinction between a Japanese name and the West name. Your opinion is misled.

:::::::::「It'd be a entirely different story of the names were actually in writing in GameFreak's blog.」

:::::::::Could you prove this? Is there a precedent of having differed in "official Japanese name" and "URL name"?

:::::::::Because an English version is LOCALIZE version, it doesn't become an object of comparison (To make the people on the west side pleased, it was modified). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 23:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::::What do you want me to prove, exactly? I just said that if GameFreak wrote down "Kuruto" in he blog itself or on the image that I would be more inclined to believe it. I don't know how many times I have to say URL links should not be trusted.

::::::::::And again, you are assuming that I'm only doing this because I like things westernized when it's not the case. If it was I wouldn't have changed Albert to Alberto or Katumi to Katsumi. All I'm going by are basic definitions and how Kuruto is used in the Japanese language and I have not yet found anything were it's used for Japanese words. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:35, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

::::::::::::It might be a GameFreak site, but they can't even spell their own name correctly... look at the sheets for the 14th movie. All of them. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 23:41, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

:::::::::::::This is that I prove and want it. Please prove the URL name to be different from an original, Japanese name. Please do not compare it with an official English name. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 23:44, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

== Kurt's Hat ==

Is the design on Kurt's hat supposed to be a [[Woobat]]? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yes...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:28, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh jeez, was that already there? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 03:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Karl

2011-08-02T23:23:08Z

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Talk:Karl

2011-08-02T20:46:02Z

Sawamular101: /* Move */

Karl

2011-08-02T20:15:35Z

Sawamular101: Undo revision 1489490 by Kenji-girl (talk)However, it is more excellent than fan name. It is an official site of the game freak.

{{incomplete}}
{{CharInfobox|
color={{Steel color}} |
corecolor={{Steel color light}} |
bordercolor={{Psychic color dark}} |
name=Karl|
jname=クルト|
tmname=Kuruto |
image=Karl M13.png |
size=130px |
caption=Karl |
gender=Male |
hometown=[[Crown City]] |
region=[[Sinnoh]] |
relatives={{mov|Joe}} (grandfather) |
anime=yes |
epnum=M13 |
epname=Zoroark: Master of Illusions |
enva=[[Wayne Grayson]]|
java=Takashi Tsukamoto |
}}
'''Karl''' (Japanese: '''クルト''' ''Kuruto'') is a character from ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''. He is a newspaper reporter from [[Crown City]] who is interested in learning [[Grings Kodai|Kodai]]'s secrets.

== Pokémon ==
{{TrainerPoké
|width=70%
|trainer=Karl
|pkmn=Bronzor
|type1=Steel
|type2=Psychic
|img=Karl Bronzor.png
|epnum=M13
|epname=Zoroark: Master of Illusions
|vajp=Daisuke Sakaguchi
|vaen=
|desc=Karl called Bronzor for the first time when the gang was going through a dark tunnel. It was later used to levitate {{OBP|Zorua|movie 13}} {{a|Illusion|transformed}} as Celebi to protect the real Celebi from Kodai.
Bronzor's known moves are {{m|Flash}}, {{m|Psychic}} and {{m|Reflect}}.}}

==Artwork==
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{psychic color dark}}; background: #{{steel color}};"
|- align=center
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{steel color}}; background: #{{steel color}}; width:140px; height:140px"| [[File:Sugimori Karl anime.png|140px]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| [[Ken Sugimori]]'s design of Karl for the anime.
|}

==Voice actors==
{{vatable|color={{steel color}}|bordercolor={{psychic color light}}
|ja=塚本高史 ''Takashi Tsukamoto''
|en=[[Wayne Grayson]]
|es_eu=Jesús Alberto Pinillos}}

==Trivia==
* According to one Japanese site, he's partially based on {{wp|Michael Francis Moore|Michael Moore}}, which states that they're both baseball cap-wearing journalists with messy hair.<ref>http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/</ref>
* Karl's hat has a stylized {{p|Woobat}} on it, a Pokémon that was not fully revealed until the day after the movie was released.

==Names==
{| class="roundy" align="left" style="background: #{{steel color}}; border: 3px solid #{{psychic color}}"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| クルト ''Kuruto''
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English, German, Italian, Spanish
| Karl
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Charles
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 크루트 ''Kroot''
| A corruption of his Japanese name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Chinese (Taiwan)
| 庫魯特 ''Kùlǔtè''
| Transliteration of his Japanese name.
|}
{{-}}

==References==
<references/>
{{-}}
{{stub|Anime}} 
{{moviecharacters}}

[[Category:Movie characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

[[de:Karl]]

Karl

2011-08-02T19:40:50Z

Sawamular101: Undo revision 1489015 by Kenji-girl (talk)It is described Alice(not arisu) in other characters. This name has credibility.

{{incomplete}}
{{CharInfobox|
color={{Steel color}} |
corecolor={{Steel color light}} |
bordercolor={{Psychic color dark}} |
name=Karl|
jname=クルト|
tmname=Kuruto |
image=Karl M13.png |
size=130px |
caption=Karl |
gender=Male |
hometown=[[Crown City]] |
region=[[Sinnoh]] |
relatives={{mov|Joe}} (grandfather) |
anime=yes |
epnum=M13 |
epname=Zoroark: Master of Illusions |
enva=[[Wayne Grayson]]|
java=Takashi Tsukamoto |
}}
'''Karl''' (Japanese: '''クルト''' ''Kuruto'') is a character from ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''. He is a newspaper reporter from [[Crown City]] who is interested in learning [[Grings Kodai|Kodai]]'s secrets.

== Pokémon ==
{{TrainerPoké
|width=70%
|trainer=Karl
|pkmn=Bronzor
|type1=Steel
|type2=Psychic
|img=Karl Bronzor.png
|epnum=M13
|epname=Zoroark: Master of Illusions
|vajp=Daisuke Sakaguchi
|vaen=
|desc=Karl called Bronzor for the first time when the gang was going through a dark tunnel. It was later used to levitate {{OBP|Zorua|movie 13}} {{a|Illusion|transformed}} as Celebi to protect the real Celebi from Kodai.
Bronzor's known moves are {{m|Flash}}, {{m|Psychic}} and {{m|Reflect}}.}}

==Artwork==
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{psychic color dark}}; background: #{{steel color}};"
|- align=center
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{steel color}}; background: #{{steel color}}; width:140px; height:140px"| [[File:Sugimori Karl anime.png|140px]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| [[Ken Sugimori]]'s design of Karl for the anime.
|}

==Voice actors==
{{vatable|color={{steel color}}|bordercolor={{psychic color light}}
|ja=塚本高史 ''Takashi Tsukamoto''
|en=[[Wayne Grayson]]
|es_eu=Jesús Alberto Pinillos}}

==Trivia==
* According to one Japanese site, he's partially based on {{wp|Michael Francis Moore|Michael Moore}}, which states that they're both baseball cap-wearing journalists with messy hair.<ref>http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/</ref>
* Karl's hat has a stylized {{p|Woobat}} on it, a Pokémon that was not fully revealed until the day after the movie was released.

==Names==
{| class="roundy" align="left" style="background: #{{steel color}}; border: 3px solid #{{psychic color}}"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| クルト ''Kuruto''
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English, German, Italian, Spanish
| Karl
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Charles
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 크루트 ''Kroot''
| An interpretation of his Japanese name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Chinese (Taiwan)
| 庫魯特 ''Kùlǔtè''
| Transliteration of his Japanese name.
|}
{{-}}
==References==
<references/>
{{-}}
{{stub|Anime}} 
{{moviecharacters}}

[[Category:Movie characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

[[de:Karl]]

Talk:Karl

2011-08-02T19:32:25Z

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Karl

2011-08-01T15:27:09Z

Sawamular101: To see the reaction, it edits it. If fan name of self-conceit is directed, I am amazed.

{{incomplete}}
{{CharInfobox|
color={{Steel color}} |
corecolor={{Steel color light}} |
bordercolor={{Psychic color dark}} |
name=Karl|
jname=クルト|
tmname=kuruto |
image=Karl M13.png |
size=130px |
caption=Karl |
gender=Male |
hometown=[[Crown City]] |
region=[[Sinnoh]] |
relatives={{mov|Joe}} (grandfather) |
anime=yes |
epnum=M13 |
epname=Zoroark: Master of Illusions |
enva=[[Wayne Grayson]]|
java=Takashi Tsukamoto |
}}
'''Karl''' (Japanese: '''クルト''' ''kuruto'') is a character from ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''. He is a newspaper reporter from [[Crown City]] who is interested in learning [[Grings Kodai|Kodai]]'s secrets.

== Pokémon ==
{{TrainerPoké
|width=70%
|trainer=Karl
|pkmn=Bronzor
|type1=Steel
|type2=Psychic
|img=Karl Bronzor.png
|epnum=M13
|epname=Zoroark: Master of Illusions
|vajp=Daisuke Sakaguchi
|vaen=
|desc=Karl called Bronzor for the first time when the gang was going through a dark tunnel. It was later used to levitate {{OBP|Zorua|movie 13}} {{a|Illusion|transformed}} as Celebi to protect the real Celebi from Kodai.
Bronzor's known moves are {{m|Flash}}, {{m|Psychic}} and {{m|Reflect}}.}}

==Artwork==
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{psychic color dark}}; background: #{{steel color}};"
|- align=center
| style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{steel color}}; background: #{{steel color}}; width:140px; height:140px"| [[File:Sugimori Karl anime.png|140px]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| [[Ken Sugimori]]'s design of Karl for the anime.
|}

==Voice actors==
{{vatable|color={{steel color}}|bordercolor={{psychic color light}}
|ja=塚本高史 ''Takashi Tsukamoto''
|en=[[Wayne Grayson]]
|es_eu=Jesús Alberto Pinillos}}

==Trivia==
* According to one Japanese site, he's partially based on {{wp|Michael Francis Moore|Michael Moore}}, which states that they're both baseball cap-wearing journalists with messy hair.<ref>http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/</ref>
* Karl's hat has a stylized {{p|Woobat}} on it, a Pokémon that was not fully revealed until the day after the movie was released.

==Names==
{| class="roundy" align="left" style="background: #{{steel color}}; border: 3px solid #{{psychic color}}"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| クルト ''Kurt''
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English, German, Italian, Spanish
| Karl
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Charles
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 크루트 ''Kroot''
| An interpretation of his Japanese name.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Chinese (Taiwan)
| 庫魯特 ''Kùlǔtè''
| Transliteration of his Japanese name.
|}
{{-}}
==References==
<references/>
{{-}}
{{stub|Anime}} 
{{moviecharacters}}

[[Category:Movie characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

[[de:Karl]]

Talk:Karl

2011-08-01T15:21:32Z

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Talk:Carlita

2011-08-01T15:06:02Z

Sawamular101: /* Is "Carlita" an official name? Please look at url(karita). */

== Grangil ==

So, should we move Carlita to Carlita Grangil and Janta to Janta Grangil? They're a family. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
: I think since Dead is moved to dead Gangril. --[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 16:53, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
::<s>Who's '''Dead''' Grangil?</s> Janta's and Carlita's surname is never used, unlike D'''r'''ead's, for example [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/white/story/ here].--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 17:18, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

== Is "Carlita" an official name? Please look at url(karita). ==

[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/wp-content/images/1108/karita.jpg] [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:59, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:00, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

:: [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/art/] The name of other characters is described in URL. It might be appropriate to refer. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:06, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Carlita

2011-08-01T14:59:51Z

Sawamular101: /* Is "Carlita" an official name? Please look at url(name). */

Talk:Carlita

2011-08-01T14:56:39Z

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Liberty Pass

2011-07-09T08:27:34Z

Sawamular101: /* Japanese */

[[File:Bag Liberty Pass Sprite.png|frame|left]] __NOTOC__
[[File:Liberty Pass.png|thumb|Liberty Pass|230px|right]]
The '''Liberty Pass''' (Japanese: '''リバティチケット''' ''Liberty Ticket'') is an [[event item]] that allows a player to travel to [[Liberty Garden]] where he or she will meet {{p|Victini}} in {{game|Black and White|s}}.

Once the Liberty Pass is obtained, the player must take it to Liberty Pier, the westernmost pier of the [[Castelia City]] harbor. The captain of the boat docked here will recognize the Liberty Pass, and volunteer to take the player to Liberty Garden. If the player does not have the Liberty Pass, the vessel remains stationary.

==Distribution==
The Liberty Pass was distributed wirelessly at the release of Black and White in all geographic regions and in some retail outlets outside of Japan. The release length different between countries.

{| class="roundy" align="center" style="background: #0047a8; border: 3px solid #2260b6"
|- style="color:#003642"
! rowspan="2" style="background:#5a91dc; {{roundytl|5px}};" | Game Version
! colspan="2" style="background:#5a91dc; {{roundytr|5px}};" | Duration
|- style="color:#003642"
! style="background:#5a91dc; padding:2px;" | Wi-Fi
! style="background:#5a91dc; padding:2px;" | Retail
|- style="background:#a1edfe; padding:2px;"
! style="background:#a5bcdc; padding:2px;" | Japanese
| style="padding:2px;" | Sept. 18, 2010 to Oct. 18, 2010
| style="padding:2px;" align=center | N/A
|- align=center style="background:#a1edfe"
! style="background:#a5bcdc; padding:2px;" | Europe
| style="padding:2px;" colspan="2" | Mar. 4, 2011 to Apr. {{tt|27|originally April 22}}, 2011
|- align=center style="background:#a1edfe"
! style="background:#a5bcdc; padding:2px;" | North America
| style="padding:2px;" colspan="2" | Mar. 6, 2011 to Apr. {{tt|??|originally April 10}}, 2011
|- align=center style="background:#a1edfe"
! style="background:#a5bcdc; padding:2px;" | Australia
| style="padding:2px;" colspan="2" | Mar. 10, 2011 to Apr. 28, 2011
|- align=center style="background:#a1edfe"
! style="background:#a5bcdc; padding:2px;" | South Korea
| style="padding:2px;" colspan="2" | Apr. 23, 2011 to May 29. 2011
|}{{-}}

==Wonder Card==
{| align="left"
|-
| valign="top" |
===Japanese===
{{wondercard/5|lang=jap|type=item|Liberty Pass|
title={{tt|リバティチケット　プレゼント|Liberty Ticket Present}}|
msg=ポケモンを　あそんでくれて ありがとう！ おくりものは　ポケモンセンターにいる はいたついんから　うけとってね！|
date=２０１０．０９．１８}}
| valign="top" |

===English===
{{wondercard/5|type=item|Liberty Pass|
title=Get the Liberty Pass!|
msg=Use this special pass to take a ship from Castelia City to Liberty Garden and meet the Mythical Pokémon Victini!|
date=2011/03/04}}
| valign="top" |
===Korean===
{{wondercard/5|type=item|Liberty Pass|
title=리버티티켓 선물|
msg=포켓몬 게임을 즐겨 주셔서 감사합니다! 소포는 포켓몬센터에 있는 배달원에게 받으십시오!|
date=2011.5.21}}
| valign="top" |
|}{{-}}

{{Event Pokémon}} 
{{Project ItemDex notice}}

[[Category:Items]]

[[de:Gartenpass]]
[[fr:Pass Liberté]]

Talk:Sevii Islands

2011-06-25T12:34:44Z

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==Names==
Is there a reason why we're using the names found on the signboards instead of on the town maps and menus for the islands? (Or does it differ by version?) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 09:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
:Y'mean Knot, Boon, Kin, etc.? Well, I can't speak for those who made the articles, but I would assume the signboard names are the proper names of the islands, and One, Two, Three, etc. are used on the map and menus for simplicity's sake. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] 02:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
::Then why do all the characters in the game refer to the islands as One island, two island, and so on? They are only mensioned Knot island and such once, on the signposts. Personally, I beleive the signpost names are just nicknames, as every other source refers to them as the numbered names. Also, changeing them back would also help to aleviate a lot of confusion, as people useing this wiki would be most likly useing the numbered names and would have no idea what the signpost names mean. [[User:Noname|Noname]]
:::Since no one has replied, I'll assume everyone agree's with me and that I have permission to move them to their proper names. Unfortunatly I'm too lazy to do it right now, and I want everyone to have a chance to post objections and such. [[User:Noname|Noname]]
::::Um, I think it's the other way around. One Island probably is just a nickname for Knot Island. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 18:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::While that seems to be the popular consendous, that does not make it true. There is absolutly no proof of that besides the breif mension on the signposts. [[User:Noname|Noname]]
::::::Just because the signpost says doesn't make it true. Okay, because then we oughta move [[Masara Town]] back where it belongs. After all, Pallet Town is just a nickname. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not sure, but I think that was sarcasm. If so, then I should mention that they are called the signpost names in only one context (the signposts) and they are called one island and such in every '''single''' other medium. Not only is it on the maps but every '''single''' character refers to them as one island and such. There is '''nothing''' to suggest the numbered names are not the proper names, and unless we get proof it is all speculation. If that was not sarcasm, then thanks for agreeing with me. [[User:Noname|Noname]]
::::::::The maps indicate nothing but the towns' names as One Island, Two Island, and so on. The proof is in the games, they're Knot, Kin, Boon, and so on. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Towns? Don't make me laugh. Half of those can hardly be called towns and the obvious reason why the maps refer them as such is because that's where the pokemon (OMG no capitalization!) centers are located. Also the seagallop takes you to "One Island" not "Knot Island" and really, what is the point of nameing towns as islands? It's illogical, and as I said before, all the characters refer to them as the numbered names. If you look down a little bit, you'll see a quote by Bill calling it one island. [[User:Noname|Noname]] There. Is. No. Proof. Only. Speculation.
::::::::::Route 4? Route 10? Both have Pokémon Centers, yet they aren't towns. The town of One Island is quite a bit more developed than Kindle Road is; heck, it's bigger than Pallet. I mean Masara. Pallet's the ''nickname''.
::::::::::Plus, well, we've had the characters calling things wrong names before. Game scripts aren't perfect. What the best thing to do would be is to go to the original Japanese script, translate what ''those'' signposts say, and see if it means anything.
::::::::::...and then we'd need to make One Island (island). Like hell we're removing the towns. That'd be like calling Celadon "just a place in Kanto where there's a Pokémon Center". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:28, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Also, Navel Rock and Birth Island. If those two have names why don't the others? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Look, Pallet town has been called that in '''many''' forms of media, but the signpost names are only mentioned breifly, and not even by a character. The one island town consists of the comunications center and a couple houses, and should be considered more of a settlement.
And unless we have proof that one island and such are nicknames we will have to call them as the game does.
...Celedon city is a very large and important city by the way, but the Sevii Islands settlements are usually small and unnamed. I'm not suggesting we get rid of the town pages, just that we return the island ones back to where they belong. [[User:Noname|Noname]] And as for Navel Rock and Birth Island; no idea. They are event islands so it could mean all manner of things. Perhaps they didn't want to name them 8 and 9 islands?

By the way, I've been reading the pokemon special manga summaries on serebii.net (very '''detailed''' summaries I might add), and noticed that they refer to one island as simply one island, but is is known as the knot island (that means it's a nickname). Granted it was a summary (I already said it was detailed though) and the manga is not nessesaraly regaurded as canon, but it's the best we've got and almost certainly proves that one island and such are the real names. [[User:Noname|Noname]]
:But then ''that'' is speculation. I say that, because the eighth and ninth islands are known as Navel Rock and Birth Island, the rest of the ''islands themselves'' are known as Knot, Boon, Kin, and so on. Maybe the "small island" Bill is talking about is the actual little island the town is on, but the overall mass made by [[Treasure Beach]], [[One Island (town)|One Island]], [[Kindle Road]], and [[Mt. Ember]] is Knot Island. After all, {{rt|28}} doesn't ''technically'' enter Johto; the western portion is known as "Silver Cave". They have the exact same wild Pokémon, though.
:And as for its status as a "settlement". What the hell is Pallet? Red's house, Blue's house, Oak's lab. Nothing else. At all. The Sevii towns are small on purpose, otherwise they might as well have included Johto in FRLG. Hell, [[Three Island (town)|Three Island]] is bigger than Azalea! If ''that's'' a settlement, then Azalea's just a drive-thru whale in the middle of a field.
:And the signposts are '''in the games''', therefore, the games do seem to imply that that's what the names of the islands are. That's the proof.
:Plus, um. Serebii. Yeah, the guy who uses the direct romanization and doesn't update the summaries when new information is added (of course, it's pretty much him alone behind the thing so yeah). Plus, the issue with those cross-canon things is that there's ''always'' '''always''' '''''always''''' more of a chance someone will screw up and name it wrong. After all, {{AP|Lapras}} used Cold Beam once... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Look, I may be doing some speculation of my own here, but the it sure is more proof then you've brought here. All you have is "maybe's", and that just isn't going to cut it. So why don't you figure out when you've been beaten and change the names to the ones widly accepted by most people? Now I don't really care about the "town/settlement" problem, do what you want with that, but the special manga has the best portrayal of the games of them all, and we don't really have any other sources for the debate. The numbered names are in the games too, and much more prominently I might add. [[User:Noname|Noname]] Also, please don't bash serebii. I don't see you updating those Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2 pages, and all the (manga's) info checks out with what we have here. (He didn't even write those summaries, some guy named "Coronis" did)
:Who says they're widely accepted? You are not everyone. I accept their names as Knot, Boon, Kin, Floe, Chrono, Fortune, Quest. Tina does. Pie does. The only reason that people don't know their names is because no one freaking reads the signboards anymore anyway! They walk into town and it says ONE ISLAND in the top left corner. They assume (incorrectly!) that One Island is the entire thing, not just the stupid little town. They've been at these names for a while now and really, it doesn't matter. Essentially, "Knot Island" itself matters very little, since it's really just a sub-region of the Sevii Islands. Let's just hop on a boat to [[Shinou]], though. Might wanna take it up with {{an|Hikari}} and {{an|Satoshi}}, too. We tried the "most accepted name" thing in the past, really, it never works out because someone comes along and says "WHY USE ENGLISH DUB NAMES 4KIDS/PUSA SUX" and decides to move them.
:And the numbered names in the games, again, pretty much refer to the towns.
:I don't update the MD2 page because I don't ''have'' MD2. If I did, I would. I updated the DP pages like no tomorrow after I got my hands on it, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Lot's of people read the signposts, they just beleive (correctly) that it's just a nickname. People also think it's called one island not just because of the name in the upper-left corner, but because the sea-gallop says it is taking you to "one island" and because they don't see why they would name a town one island. Why '''would''' they name a "stupid little town" one island when it is so obviously not a island? Also two people are not the entirity of the comunity, nor do they speak for nintendo who happened to make the game and desided to number the sevii islands. Also, will you quit comparing this to the japanese names problem? As far as I know, they do not call them Knot island and so on in japan, they call them the same names (in japanese of course) and until you give me an example of a contry where they do call them that, shut up! [[User:Noname|Noname]] I just brought up the PMD thing because nobody seems to have worked on it much dispite it coming out almost a week ago.
:No they don't. Plenty pass right through towns without bothering to read them since now the "where am I?" is answered by the popup thing.
:The Seagallop also says it's taking you to [[Vermilion City]], not to Kanto. That point is moot, it tells what ''city'' you're going to.
:As far as you know. Well the name had to come from somewhere! Unfortunately, I don't have FR or LG in any language other than English, so I can't do anything about it. And here's an example of a country where the islands are called by name (not the cities, the ISLANDS, remember): the United States. The United Kingdom. Australia, here we come! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the pop up thing usualy answers they're questions, but a lot would be mildly curious enough to read the signposts. Also, your point is moot, because Kanto is a huge country and the islands are quite smaller then that. And they aren't even as large as cities, but whatever. I still can't beleive we're argueing over something as obvious as its name. I mean really, do you really think nintendo would be so convulated as to give it as secret name at a place where "few bother to read it"? Wouldn't they go streight out and tell us what its name is? And why would they name a city "one island"? That's just stupid. Will you please stop trying to insist that it's named something it's not, and just accept it simply a nickname? [[User:Noname|Noname]]
:Why would they name a city "One Island"? Same reason why it's "Cerulean City". What's the difference between naming it a number and naming it a color?
:As for the size, the islands are most certainly larger than cities. Maybe not Goldenrod-sized, but certainly comparable to Violet and Ecruteak.
:And for the names, don't forget that Nintendo mentioned a grand total of ONE time in Generation I the name of the region RBY took place in, and even then it was only in Japanese versions! Talk about secret.
:I'm only insisting that that's their names because, uh duh, that's their names. Why would they name an ''island'' One Island? Knot Island makes more sense, why would they even ''put it on the sign'' if it didn't matter?! Plus, remember, Navel and Birth are part of the Sevii Islands, the old woman in Seven Island town proves it, saying "It's not because there's seven (because there isn't), it's because they were made in a week according to legend". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't doubting it was named after a number, in fact I was saying quite the oposite. And as for the secret, that was way back when there was no johto, so there was no need to call it anything other then the world of pokemon because there were no other regions. Now they named the island after numbers so people could remember them easier, nothing more. And again, why would they call a city an "island"? The signs are simply nicknames, and I don't think they ever meant them to be anything more. If it's your prefrence, you can call them knot island and such, but they should be called one island (and such) first and knot island (and co) second. And just remember, you can get to navel rock from emerald too, and while it and birth island are usualy grouped together with the sevii islands, they are not part of the origional seven. [[User:Noname|Noname]]

:Then how come they bothered to mention it in the Japanese games? Are you saying the region wasn't Kanto until Gen II, then?
:No, they named the ''cities'' after numbers. Hover over them. What is "ONE ISLAND"? The freaking CITY. Not the whole damn island.
:As for the signposts being "just nicknames", I suppose it's just a nickname that New Bark is where winds of a ''[[Generation II|new beginning]]'' blow? Because it couldn't be the starting town of Gen II. The signs mean ''nothing'', '''ever''', right?
:Not part of the original seven as well? Ha! They're in the middle of the fricking maps. That's like saying Southern Island isn't part of Hoenn.
:They stay at their current names. There's no reason for them to be moved, and if anyone searches [[One Island]] notice that they get a disambiguation page anyway, which they would even if the pages were at their numeral names. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:14, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh it was still Kanto, there just wasn't any reason to call it that. I should point out that Kanto means "east" and Johto means "west". And if you think about it, you'll realize that the numbers are obviously meant to refer to the islands. Also, you seem to be avoiding the greatest hole in your theory; WHY WOULD THEY NAME A CITY AN ISLAND?!!! I don't know what you're talking about with that new bark town thing, but we should move the pages to their numbered forms and simply add a note about the nicknames. Now about the event islands, while they appear in the region of the sevii isles, that does not make them their own islands, complete with number. After all, there are several islands separated from the main landmass that are still considered part of the islands (ex; mt. ember is still part of one island). And there is plenty of reason to move them, after all they are the names most (not all, you don't) people use when referring to the islands, and some people wouldn't know which island you were talking about when they see something like boon island on a page. By all means, keep the nicknames, but as nothing more then a redirect and a small note on each page. [[User:Noname|Noname]]
:Why would they name a city "X Island"? Look at Kanto. Where's Blaine's Gym? It's not Cinnabar City. It's Cinnabar Island. The TCG screwed that up, but the Gym is on Cinnabar Island, a ''city'' that happens to be on an island, just like all of them in the Sevii Islands.
:And Mt. Ember is part of ''Knot Island''. One Island is the town. And let's see, ''how many'' agreed with me on their names being Knot, Boon, Kin, Floe, Chrono, Fortune, Quest, Navel, Birth and not One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Navel, Birth? Sevii Isle 8 and 9 are even beta areas, proving that ''the number names are for separate things'', at least in the English-language versions. What's the Japanese text on the signposts, does anyone know? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

::It is called Cinnabar Island instead of Cinnabar City because first off, it isn't much of a city. Just a pokemon center, gym, and a laboratory. Second, that's ALL there is. Just the island and no other landmarks. In the sevii islands, the main part is named after the island because that's where you dock off when you sail to '''One island''' and such, and the other parts are named after the landmarks, but it's still part of the islands. It is utterly rediculous to think that the cities are named after the islands, because they are cities, not islands. That is common sence. [[User:Noname|Noname]]

Hello? Is anybody here? If noone replies within a week I'm going to assume I can start changing the name back to their proper ones. Simply assuming the names you are given are not the correct ones with no proof goes against everything a wiki stands for. [[User:Noname|Noname]] For gods sake, there is no logic in thinking a city is named one '''island''', when it is obviously not an island.
:There's no logic in naming a town Vermilion when it's very obviously more orange than red. You're not changing them to anything besides what names they are; for all intents and purposes, if you say that "Knot Island" is wrong, then let's head back to the Indigo Region. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:48, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:I don't see your logic. And I certainly don't see the logic in nameing the islands after their nicknames just because you don't like the other ones. This is a wiki for gods sake! You're not supposed to make rash assumptions like this! [[User:Noname|Noname]]

== Name origin? ==

Nanashima means "seven islands", but what about the vii in the English "Sevii"? Could it be from the Roman numeral VII, seven? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:Probably a crruption of Seven itself. '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Optimatum</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]'''30 Apr 2008
::VII in Sevii seems to make sense, considering what the concept is based upon. --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 21:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

==East and southeast?==
Why east?

Bill says: "There's this little island in the far south called One Island."

Far south, as opposed to east. I've always thought of that as further south than the Orange Islands, so them both being south wouldn't be a problem.

: It's because the guidebook artwork has the little ship that takes you to the islands going east, so people tend squabble over whether it's east (like the picture) or south (like the in-game text), so it's just easier to say southeast. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 01:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

::That's stupid. Why does SeaGallop have to be Sevii-exclusive? There can easily be islands or other landmasses to the east. Does the S.S. Tidal only go to Lilycove and Salteport? No, it also goes to other places, like the Battle Frontier. So, why can't the SeaGallop? I vote that southeast is replaced with south. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 01:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Personally, I agree. But perhaps there is other evidence I don't know about. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 05:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

heißt das es sevii islands 22 und 23 gibt?--[[User:Fahrenheit|Fahrenheit]] 12:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

==Anime Map Needed==
We need a picture of the anime map mentioned in the article that shows the Orange Islands are south of the Sevii Islands. Reason: the Orange Island page shows the Orange Islands drectly to the south of Kanto. One of the two maps is wrong. That or the person who added the information about the anime map worded it wrong. We need the map image to know for sure.--[[User:LynnCreed|LynnCreed]] 18:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
:Far as I know, Sevii's east and southeast of Kanto, not directly south. The anime map puts the Sevii Islands, New Island, and the Orange Islands as insets, much like Alaska and Hawaii on a map of the US... and I don't think those are right next to each other... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
::That's the current movie map that is. If you look at the Orange Islands map from Movie 2, it's pretty much identical to the Sevii Islands and the archipelago they're based on in real life. It seems to me that the anime had to rearrange Orenjishima when they decided that Nanashima was in the anime too, and that they weren't intermedia counterparts of each other. But based on real world maps, there's no such archipelago that looks like the current interpretation of the Orange Islands, but there is an island string that is the Sevii, and it's due south of Kanto. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 20:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:[http://www.freewebs.com/pokeholic/world_map_sevii_islands_new_island_orange_islands.jpg Is this it?] -- [[User:Hohoo|Hohoo]] 13:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

== Random thought: the Sevii Islands is Nintendos way of giving us Orange Islands in game. ==

(note: cross posted on pokemon wikia.)

The common wisdom Orange Islands has never been in an official Pokemon game. I reckon the Sevii islands is the closest Nintendo done to making the Orange islands. It's so similar, except for name. Hear me out.

Evidence 1

"Prima, known in the video games as Lorelei, a local Pokémon Master and member of Kanto’s Elite Four (this would be later referenced in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen’s Sevii Islands)"

She plays a VERY important part in the (short/tacked on) story of the Sevii islands. In the anime, she was on in the orange islands while in the game she was in the Sevii islands - they didn't explain the change at all.

Evidence 2

In Pokemon 2000 (2nd movie), they mention Moltres is thought to have originated in "a remote part of the Orange Islands". Of course in FireRed/LeafGreen, it is obtainable from the peak of Mt. Ember (on Knot Island, the first of the Sevii Islands). Zapdos and Articuno are still available in the the same places.

Of course, there are many more islands in the Orange Archipelago than the Sevii Archipelago, it would be hard to navigate ingame otherwise. Also note that most cities (for example Viridian City) is much different in the game than in the anime. Put it down to artistic licence.

I think wanted the Orange islands in a game for completeness, Nintendo's addition of the Sevii Islands is the closest thing we'll ever get. All we needed is a renaming of the islands + Profressor Ivy + GS Ball + Celebi + Laprases + the character Tracy Sketch and we'd be done :D [[User:Sge|Sge]] 06:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, those two points are hardly sufficient to indicate that the Sevii Islands were intended as an [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Expy|expy]] of the Orange Islands. Those points are hardly integral to the point of the Orange Islands. Lorelei's role is completely different in the games, and if Game Freak really wanted the Sevii Islands to be included in the games (and I doubt they do), they might have made it have, say, its own set of Gyms, or a Lugia obtained by bringing the three legendary birds to a particular island or something. Instead they made the Sevii Islands a unique set of locations with their own history and landmarks, completely unrelated to the anime.
:Secondly, this is speculation and belongs on the forums, not here. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Why? ==
Can someone please tell me why we consider this a region? I never really understood why [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 22:42, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:Why wouldn't we consider it a region? It is a large topographical area containing many settlements, landmarks, and routes. That's pretty much the definition of a region. Not to mention that it isn't really part of any other region. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:49, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== Origin of name. ==

The alias of Izu islands(伊豆諸島) is Izu Seven islands(伊豆七島). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:34, 25 June 2011 (UTC)