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Talk:Ninjask (Pokémon)

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== Evobox ==

Despite the fact that I believe that we should put branched evos on every page of the family (including the corrosponding one), I was under the impression that here on Bulbapedia we don't put them there. However, when I tried to remove the mention of Shedinja on this page (since it really kind of is just a branched evo), it was reverted with the reason that "TTE wants it this way". Way is that anyways?{{unsigned|MisterE13}}
:You should ask him on his TP--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 04:47, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
::I'd argue for inclusion, seeing as Shedinja is created when Nicada evolves to Ninjask. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:12, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:::But Nincada becomes Ninjask and then Nincada's (not Ninjask's) shell becomes the Shedinja. Alhtough, I think I did read that if Nincada's moveset is changed during the evolution, Shedinja's will be too.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 05:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
::::No, once the evolution is started/complete, the moves are set (Ninjask learns a few flying moves when it evolves, I believe, none of which can be learned by Shedinja).
::::The main reason to list Shedinja on this page is for consistency, I would say. It's still a part of the evolution chain, even if it's not directly involved with Ninjask itself. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 08:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::But the issue here is that we ''don't'' list other branches of the chain for any other family - see {{p|Slowking}} or {{p|Gallade}}. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 08:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::Shedinja's here because Shedinja cannot exist without a Ninjask. Essentially it evolves OFF of Ninjask. It's complicated... I dunno. If a Ninjask gets a move upon evolution, and learns it, the Shedinja won't have it though? That's truly a case for having just Nincada → Ninjask... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
What about keeping it in Shedinja's but not Ninjask's? *edit* I think I've figured it all out. Moves learned through evolution are learned during the process (when they glow in the show) by the end of Nincada's evolution, it's learned the new moves and become the two Pokémon. Like TTE said, a Shedinja cannot exist without a Ninjask however, a Ninjask can exist without a Shedinja thus, I believe we should remove it from Ninjask`s but not Shedinja's page.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 21:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

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♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

In gen. 3 and 4, the back sprite has Ninjask with its wings 'folded' down towards its back, but the front sprite has the wings upward, as if to fly.
No one on the corner got swagga like Mpcamel1729...modified from Paper Planes by M.I.A. 13:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Only ninja to not know Water Shuriken ==

Is it trivia worthy that {{p|Ninjask}} is the only Pokémon based on ninjas that can't learn {{m|Water Shuriken}}? Water Shuriken was one of {{p|Greninja}}'s signature moves in X & Y, and now {{p|Accelgor}} can learn it in ΩRαS. Is this worth mentioning? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 22:23, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

:No. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] ([[User talk:Drake Clawfang|talk]]) 22:40, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

== Origin - Cicada Killer Wasp ==

I'm pretty sure Ninjask is inpired by the "Cicada Killer Wasp".

Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphecius_speciosus

Here's a video (carrying a future Shedinja?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMDl5WVcJeM

This also alters the Origin of Shedinja, somewhat, as it's not "just" a Cicada husk (as it says on Shedinja's page) but rather the remains of the host for Ninjask larvae. In other words, for the Ninjask (Cicada Killer) to be born, the Nincada (Cicada) had to die, and what's left is an empty shell and its ghost.

Thoughts? [[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] ([[User talk:Raven-14|talk]]) 20:44, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
:Pretty interesting point of view, but I can't really buy it for several reasons. Most importantly, Ninjask looks much more like an adult cicada than a wasp, at least other than the coloration. Then there's the fact that none of the Pokedex entries implies such drastic thing happens, while they aren't subtle at all about Parasect's parasite mushroom. Finally, Ninjask is considered Nincada's "true" evolution, can produce Nincada Eggs, and unlike Shedinja, is the one who keeps Nincada's gender and nickname. Everything points out to Ninjask simply being an adult Nincada.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 21:27, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
::Interesting counter-points, but I'd argue a couple of them.

::1 - Pokémon looks don't always match their real life counterparts. One example is Butterfree which has a mouth while real life Butterflies have a proboscis. They "fixed" that with Beautifly, though.

::2 - The Pokédex argument is a non-issue. For instance, Remoraid evolves into Octillery, which is a quite drastic change, but neither of their Pokédex entries mentions it.

::Your third and final point is quite valid, though. Ninjask eggs are Nincadas. However, one could argue that this is simply a simplification of the Pokémon game. Cicada Killer Wasps can't lay eggs without a Cicada host to begin with, so for another Ninjask to exist, so does another Nincada.

::It may not be definitive proof, but I think the Origin section should include at least a mention of this possibility.
::[[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] ([[User talk:Raven-14|talk]]) 00:15, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Ninjask (Pokémon)

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Talk:Crobat (Pokémon)

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== Crobat's Cry ==

I want to make a note of Crobat's cry being similar to that of a [[Generation I]] [[glitch]] Pokémon, but I want to be assured that it's true first.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

== A Useless Note (that isn't mine this time) ==

Whoever put up "Crobat has a higher Speed stat than Arceus," don't. It's not worth noting. Several Pokémon have a higher Speed stat than Arceus, including Aerodactyl, Weavile, and so on. [[User:SharKing|SharKing]] 23:31, 6 September 2008 (UTC)SharKing
:It was MetalMetroid... oy. I guess he thought that since it's on Arceus's page that, despite having the highest ''total'' base stats, it still has lower base stats than others, it was worth mentioning... Here's a hint, though: It's not. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
::Oy, indeed. Putting up "[INSERT POKÉMON NAME HERE] has a higher [INSERT STAT NAME HERE] stat than [INSERT POKÉMON NAME HERE]" is just plain unnecessary. [[User:SharKing|SharKing]] 19:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)SharKing

Well, what if it's "[INSERT POKéMON NAME HERE] has the highest/higher [INSERT STAT/HEIGHT/WEIGHT HERE] out of all/than [INSERT POKéMON'S CATEGORY OR RELATED POKéMON HERE]"
like with Typhlosion and Charizard, or several things written on Feraligatr - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]] ([[User talk:Sk8torchic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sk8torchic|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

==Feet==
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/7/7d/Crobat_Feet_Sugimori.png This drawing is part of the Ken Sugimori's official artwork of Crobat, and he drew feet too! I wonder what where they thinking when they wrote Silver and Crystal pokédex entries... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:Well, [[Brock's Crobat]] has feet. There's an image of that on that page. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

==Sprites==
The Generation III Shiny sprites are missing for all games.
Just throwing that out there -[[User:MiekL94|MiekL94]] 22:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
:That's because nobody's bothered to upload them yet.--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC
::I uploaded the ruby and sapphire ones, along with the back.[[User:MiekL94|--MiekL94]] 01:53, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

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:<nowiki>|heartgolddex=It flies so silently through the dark on its four wings that it may not be noticed even when nearby.</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:46, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== Useless ability? ==

Is Crobat having Inner Focus despite being one of the fastest Pokémon in the game trivia-worthy (sounds like an oxymoron)? Same for [[Weavile]]? [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 22:31, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:There's always {{m|Fake Out}}... or speed boosts... or quick claw. So no. D: ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 22:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::Or being a higher level with a higher speed... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:05, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Maybe Useless ==

I think this is mentioned in other trivia sections, but I could be wrong: Crobat (If my memory serves) is never depicted as being 5'11, in the anime, or some of the older 3D games. Again, this could be memory failure or a fact not worth mentioning. -InferSizMamoMagne July 25 21:41 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

"Since its debut in Generation II, Crobat's color scheme has been Golbat's color scheme, inverted. This also applies to its shiny variation. ˇ" - Not so true for Crystal - Normal Golbat is only blue there (while in G/S it was purple/blue). [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 16:09, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

== Highest Base Stat Total ==
The article claims that Crobat is the only Pokémon to have the highest BST out of its type that is not legendary. What about Ninjask, who has the highest speed of all bug or flying types, or Slacking having the highest Attack of all normal types, or any of several others? [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 05:00, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
:BST means base stat total, not a single base stat. No Poison-type Pokémon has higher BST than Crobat, whereas many Bug and Flying types have higher BST than Ninjask, and Arceus's BST is higher than Slaking's.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 08:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

:Ah, right. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 09:18, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia Edit ==

Should it be noted that Crobat has the highest base speed of all Generation II Pokémon; at 130? [[User:Venus253|Venus253]] 18:10, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
:It's already in the trivia. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 18:13, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Is it really? I just thought the trivia mentioned it being the fastest poison type. [[User:Venus253|Venus253]] 18:32, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
::Oops, I misread the trivia, you're correct. I suppose that trivia would be notable, others may differ with my opinion though. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 18:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks; this would be my first contribution if added. :) [[User:Venus253|Venus253]] 14:11, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

== {{m|Sky Attack|Bird}} {{m|Brave Bird|Moves}} ==

Why is it not notable to say Crobat and its pre-evolutions can learn two moves containing the word ''bird'' despite not being based on birds? [[Special:Contributions/Mikoro|the great]] [[User:Mikoro|MIKORO]] ([[User talk:Mikoro|talk to me]]) 00:38, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
:Because it's self-evident. You can see it for yourself without a trivia point to tell it to you. Also, as indicated by the move descriptions, all that's really needed for the moves is skillful flying, which bats are perfectly capable of doing. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 00:48, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
::Oh, alright. I have a similar discrepancy on {{an|Barry}}'s talk page. Could you help me sort it out? [[Special:Contributions/Mikoro|the great]] [[User:Mikoro|MIKORO]] ([[User talk:Mikoro|talk to me]]) 13:03, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

== Cross Poison at Level 1 in Gen IV ==

Maybe I'm missing something simple and obvious here, but I'm genuinely puzzled.

It says in Crobat's move list (Gen IV) that it learns Cross Poison at Level 1. The page for "Cross Poison" confirms this. My question is, how do you get this to happen in the Gen IV games? Breeding will only result in a Zubat and Zubat, apparently, can't learn Cross Poison - neither does Golbat - and you can't catch Crobat in the wild either.

Could someone kindly explain how is it possible to genuinely have a Crobat that knows Cross Poison in Gen IV? Thanks in advance [[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] ([[User talk:Raven-14|talk]]) 02:05, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Shellder (Pokémon)

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== Edit request ==

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:<nowiki>|heartgolddex=It swims facing backward by opening and closing its two-piece shell. It is surprisingly fast.</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

It has to be said by someone, because nobody seems to be discussing this and it's not mentioned in the [[Slowbro]], [[Slowking]], [[Slowpoke]] or [[Shellder]] articles. But it's got to come out: The thing that bites Slowbro and Slowking in '''no way''' resembles a Shellder. We've got to mention that ''somewhere'', because it confuses the readers to death- they read about Slowbro, and they follow the link to Shellder, and they look back and forth at the two images and it doesn't make any sense! Is there a reason why nobody has written this ''anywhere''?! [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 23:42, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:Feel free to put it in somewhere if you think anything's missing. That is the nature of a wiki :)
:I also suggest you remove the {{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}} from your signature. It's not doing anything and will never do anything. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:57, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sorry, it's not showing up. Do you mean [[File:PokémonDollar.png]]? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar{{#ifeq: |Night|_Night}}.png|Pokémon Dollar|link=Pokémon Dollar]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 22:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The anime explained it that the Shellder mutates/changes in order to live on the tail or head of it's Slowpoke host in a way that benefits them both. The Shellder gives balance to Slowbro, and I forget what it gives to Slowking. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::By biting Slowking's head, it injects toxins that make it smarter. THat's what it does for it. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:06, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::It apparently does the same with Slowbro; that's why Slowbro also walks on two legs. But it seems to work better with the toxins going directly to the brain rather than working their way up the spine and such. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Body Slam ==
Shellder can't learn Body Slam by TM in Yellow, and neither can Cloyster. Can someone confirm this for Red and Blue, so it can be corrected on this page? {{unsigned|Thomasdenhaan}}

== Shell ==

Shellder can learn every move with shell in its name? [[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 12:10, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:Because there is {{m|Razor Shell|only}} {{m|Shell Smash|two}}, it's not notable.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 14:48, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
::Also, neither has an English name yet either. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
But what about if we count its move effect like clamp and withdraw there also show shell effect which shellder can use all of it[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 03:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:No, because there are other water type Pokemon than just Shellder capable of learning it. It's not really a signature move of it either. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

== Leech like properties. ==

pulled from the article

Its parasitic relationship to Slowpoke may be inspired by leeches. Interesting enough, Slowbro is known as the Hermit Crab Pokémon and many real-world parasites, including leeches, often target crabs. Also despite many common misconceptions, most leeches are not just parasites but also predators. Leech(es should stay leeches sorry) often hunt small invertebrates, which they then devour whole. This can explain why instead of merely attaching itself to Slowpoke's flesh, they instead attempt to bite onto and even consume the head or tail of the host Slowpoke.

Ok, I can cite right now that the Eelektrik articles lists the leech a possibility with no more "evidence" then shellder. Pokémon are not cut and dry, and unless we interrogate the Game Freak staff, we likely won't know for sure which Pokémon are based on what, if any plant or animal. We had this same problem on the Chestnaught article with people saying it can't be based off any animals other than hedgehogs just because that is what Chestpin is based on. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 10:22, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
:Where is the evidence that Shellder is attempting to consume Slowpoke instead of merely latching on, though? I'm sorry, but to me merely latching on to something and not letting go does not describe leech-like properties. Leeches are worm-like creatures that suck blood, while Shellder is clam-like and has been stated to each scraps of Slowbro's meals. Shellder has a symbiotic relationship with its host, while most leeches certainly do not. Eelektrik,on the other hand, has the serpentine leech shape, jaw shape, and behavior to an extent. I'm not going to sit here and say that Shellder cannot possibly be based on a leech, but that the evidence is really weak and hazy, and therefore very unlikely. Not everything that latches onto something else is a leech, there are many other kinds of parasites - including a clam with a parasitic lifestage. The wording of this is also somewhat poor. "Interestingly" is an opinion, and really shouldn't be here. And most of the evidence after that is very circumstantial and a little speculative, since as I said there's no evidence that Shellder is trying to ''consume'' Slowpoke. If we want to include leeches, it should be based on what evidence we do have. Which would just be the parasitic relationship, or "Its parasitic relationship to Slowpoke may be inspired by leeches" and ''possibly'' "This is also supported by its beneficial toxins". Since some leeches do produce a toxin in their saliva that is useful to the host. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 19:13, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

:: I don't know why you wrote that message in the edit summary, the venom thing and the leech thing were two separate things entirely. Plus I had posted on your talk page to explain the reasoning for the edit, after the edit... so telling me to wait for a response was a little too late in that regard. Still, let me address everything here on this talk page.

:: Shellder gains the Jaw shape of a leech, albeit while in a shell. As for the trying to consume part, I am not sure if you have access to any of the 3D games, but watch Slowbro and the shellder in Stadium and more recent XY's Pokémon-Amie. In stadium the shellder occasionally chomps down hard, causing the slowbro to jolt up in pain. I believe this is also present in Snap as well, where Slowbro is tormented by the Shellder's Malicious chomps shortly after evolving. In Pokémon-Amie, it also does a chewing motion, which, although this doesn't result in the same jolt as Stadium/Snap animated, it still shows it has the ability to chew on its host. Still, as I said in stadium/snap it was much more violent/comedic looking. Even if it doesn't want to Fully consume the host in some way, it still illustrates behaviors that make it seem likely.

:: Now for the most part, most of the things you are calling into question were pieces added to the leech thing which were only recently added by myself. The part about leeches, parasites and crabs was up for months before I added a little more body to it based on research on leeches and learning they are more than parasites but also predators that prey on invertebrates.

:: Also, I don't believe I was the one who added the "Interestingly enough" part to that description, that really isn't my flair to typically add things like that. Even if it was me, that only means it needs better wording so that it doesn't seem to imply opinion. Depending on how you read context, anything could be an opinion.

:: Not everything is black and white, cut and dry. People view leeches as parasites, but that is only one side of a multi-sided story. People think maggots are disgusting, but they are quite beneficial. You can have a festering wound, put maggots into it and they will clean it better then most modern day medicines without the risk of something becoming a resistant strain. Its all in the matter of perception, humans cast judgement onto things and decide its the law, but scratch beneath the surface and you can find details you wouldn't normally comprehend in a certain fashion. The word Symbiotic is thrown around a lot with these two, but at the end of the day Shellder is still refereed to as a parasite.

::: As for the Venom side of things, You seem to be misunderstanding the context of Slowking's dexes.

:::Slowking Pokédex Entry:
:::*Silver: '''When''' its head was bitten, toxins entered '''Slowpoke's head''' and unlocked an extraordinary power.
:::*PDPt: '''Being bitten''' by Shellder gave it intelligence comparable to that of award-winning scientists.

::: The Dex says "Slowpoke's head" not Slowking. If it was Slowking's head then the shellder would already be in its spiraled form.

::: You are stating that Shellder is in its Spiral Shelled state when this happens. No, It is regular Shellder until the Evolution. It bites onto Slowpoke's head as a regular Shellder, Venom surges into Slowpoke's brain, it unlocks the great power and then they evolve. Afterwards, the Shellder's shell becomes spiraled and just like a bee stinger left to itself will keep pumping venom long after the sting and the bee's death, Shellder keeps chomping down and releasing venom, especially when Slowking yawns.

::: The radioactive/bio-engineered spider that bites Peter Parker, gave him his powers and allowed him to become Spider Man was not radioactive/bio-engineered because it bit Peter, that is what it was beforehand. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 00:00, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

::::No, not everything is black and white. But we must have good reasoning for adding something to origins with good basis, otherwise a million things can be added. If you looked at the page, leeches are listed with all the basis we have. Anything additional is really too speculative. Chewing =/= consuming. Dogs chew on chew toys without eating them. I think what's there now is a fair enough compromise.

::::As for the venom, I stand firmly on saying that there it should not be changed. Regardless of when or where Shellder has the venom, there's is no evidence that it uses it anywhere but on Slowpoke. I understand the dex entries perfectly fine. They say the Slowpoke is injected with venom. They ''do not'' say that Shellder hunts with venom nor that it is used on any other species of Pokemon. Just that it injects Slowpoke. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 03:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Upon unrelated research on if ticks and mosquitoes were parasites, I have discovered by definition Parasitism is non-symbiotic. This is a complete contrast to the relationship between Shellder and Slowpoke, who have historically been classified as both symbiotic and beneficial to both parties involved. So in the mean time I have hidden the leech part until it can be decided/figured out if parasitic is the right word.

Although I've hidden it in the mean time, I can admit this seems to be the rock that will sink the leech thing altogether. But it should still be discussed so that no possibilities are completely off the table without certainty.[[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 16:54, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

==Anime Pokédex Entries==
Says to visit the pages of Slowbro and Slowking for Pokédex entries of Shellder. But when a person visits either of those pages, they will find what I found, that the anime pokédex for either Slowbro or Slowking says nothing about Shellder whatsoever. The anime pokédex entry section should be removed as what it currently says is inaccurate. [[User:DarienLeonhart|DarienLeonhart]] ([[User talk:DarienLeonhart|talk]]) 04:23, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

==Egg moves==
Missing Bubble Beam as Egg Moves {{unsigned|Erwincole}}

== Biology section ==

I noticed how long the Biology section is for Shellder, when compared to other Pokémon, however it's striking how it goes to such great lengths to describe the anime-only connection with the Slowpoke family, but not a single line on its own evolution to Cloyster.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, shouldn't the whole discussion on Slowpoke be on the Slowbro/Slowking pages (with a minor mention here) and, instead, go deeper on how Shellder evolves to Cloyster and gains Ice-typing in the process? Thoughts? [[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] ([[User talk:Raven-14|talk]]) 17:14, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

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{{EpisodeInfobox|
epcode=EP052 |
colorscheme=Kanto |
title_en=Princess vs. Princess |
title_ja=げきとう！ポケモンひなまつり |
title_ja_trans=Fierce Fighting! Pokémon Girls' Festival! |
screen=yes |
broadcast_jp=July 9, 1998 |
broadcast_us=September 4, 1999 |
en_series=Indigo League |
en_op=[[Pokémon Theme]] |
ja_op=[[Aim to Be a Pokémon Master|めざせポケモンマスター]] |
ja_ed=[[Fantasy in My Pocket|ポケットにファンタジー]] |
olmteam=Team Ota |
scenario=武上純希 |
storyboard=横田和 |
director=大町繁 |
art=武田優作 |
morecredits=yes |
epstaffpage=EP051-EP060 |
footnotes=Before this episode re-aired on Kids Station, the scenario credit given was 冨岡淳広 ''Atsuhiro Tomioka''. }}
'''Princess vs. Princess''' (Japanese: '''げきとう！ポケモンひなまつり''' ''Fierce Fighting! Pokémon Girls' Festival!'') is the 52nd episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first broadcast in Japan on July 9, 1998 and in USA on September 4, 1999.


{{spoilers}}

== Synopsis ==
The episode opens with {{an|Misty}} and [[Jessie]] getting excited about The [[Princess Day|Princess Festival]], a holiday with events, shopping sales and discounts, festivals, and games that are exclusively for women. The narrator explains this over Misty going on a shopping spree, making {{Ash}}, {{an|Brock}}, and even {{AP|Pikachu}} carry her purchases. After the title screen, Misty and Jessie are shown enjoying the perks of The Princess Festival, which leads to Jessie capturing a {{TP|Jessie|Lickitung}}. Jessie then drags [[James]] and {{MTR}} with her to do more shopping, where she encounters Misty. The two fight over a piece of clothing, only to have another shopper grab it while they aren't looking. They quickly forget about it when an announcement is made over the store's intercom about the Queen of the Princess Festival contest. Jessie and Misty decide to enter, fueled by their desire for the prize; Pokémon Princess Dolls. The other prize is a picture with a movie star named [[Fiorello Cappucino]], but they don't show interest in that.

The next scene is the competition, where we see Fiorello, an announcer, and a line of pretty girls dressed in kimonos on a stage, including Jessie and Misty! The announcer then brings everyone's attention to the prize, a one of a kind set of Pokémon Princess Dolls. Fiorello, who is also an announcer for the competition, adds that he is part of the prize, too, causing an uproar in the crowd. Then, a startling announcement is made; the contest isn't just a beauty pageant... it's a Pokémon battle competition! The contestants are split into divisions, and they must use four {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} to {{pkmn|battle}}.

Misty then begs Ash and Brock to let her use their Pokémon for the contest. They reluctantly agree. Misty's team of four is Pikachu, {{AP|Bulbasaur}}, {{TP|Brock|Vulpix}}, and her {{TP|Misty|Starmie}}. Then, Ash gets confused to why Misty wants to meet Fiorello, thinking Misty wants to win the contest to meet him. Misty explains that she just wants the dolls, because her [[The Sensational Sisters|sisters]] all had their own dolls sets, but she only got their hand-me-down dolls, which were broken by the time she got them. So she has always wanted a Pokémon doll set of her own.

The next scene is a montage of Misty and Jessie winning several matches. During this scene, Jessie's team consists of {{TP|Jessie|Arbok}}, {{TP|James|Weezing}}, and Meowth. Misty and Jessie then face off in the finals, but not until after Jessie has a sad flashback. She talks about being a little girl, and how she, like Misty, never had a Pokémon Princess Doll of her own, while all the other little girls did. The story brings the emotional trio to tears, and James and Meowth give her support. When they're done with this, Misty and Jessie proceed with the match. Pikachu makes quick work of Arbok, Weezing, and Meowth. At first, Jessie and James lose hope that she will win the contest, but then Meowth reminds her that she caught a Lickitung earlier, and the battle continues! Lickitung easily defeats Pikachu, Bulbasaur, and Vulpix with {{m|Lick}}! Then, when Misty tries to send out {{TP|Misty|Staryu}} (Earlier, she said she planned on using her Starmie), but her {{TP|Misty|Psyduck}} pops out instead! At first, Misty is in despair, thinking that she can never win now! But in an unexpected turn of events, Lickitung's attacks give Psyduck a headache, triggering its potent psychic powers! Misty then wins the match with Psyduck's {{m|Confusion}}, blasting off [[Team Rocket]] in the process!

In the end, Misty sends the dolls to the [[Cerulean Gym]] to make her sisters jealous. As for Team Rocket, James, Meowth, Arbok, Weezing, and Lickitung dressed up as Pokémon Dolls to make her feel better. Jessie was moved to tears, and pretended to be a Pokémon Doll along with them.

== Major events ==
*[[Jessie]] catches a {{TP|Jessie|Lickitung}}.
*{{an|Misty}} wins the Princess Contest.
{{animeevents}}

=== Debuts ===
==== Pokémon debuts====
*{{p|Lickitung}} ({{OP|Jessie|Lickitung}})

== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|Misty}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* {{an|Daisy}} (flashback)
* {{ka|Lily}} (flashback)
* [[Violet]] (flashback)
* [[Fiorello Cappucino]]
* Announcer
* Crowd

=== Pokémon ===
[[File:Dare da EP052.png|200px|thumb|Who's That Pokémon?]]
[[Who’s That Pokémon?]]: {{p|Butterfree}} ''(US and international)'', {{p|Lickitung}} ''(Japan)''

* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Bulbasaur}} ({{OP|Ash|Bulbasaur}})
* {{p|Psyduck}} ({{OP|Misty|Psyduck}})
* {{p|Vulpix}} ({{OP|Brock|Vulpix}})
* {{p|Arbok}} ({{OP|Jessie|Arbok}})
* {{p|Lickitung}} ({{OP|Jessie|Lickitung}}; new; debut)
* {{p|Weezing}} ({{OP|James|Weezing}})

Pokémon seen at the tournament:

* {{p|Raticate}}
* {{p|Fearow}}
* {{p|Parasect}}
* {{p|Primeape}}
* {{p|Machoke}}
* {{p|Graveler}}
* {{p|Kingler}}
* {{p|Cubone}}
* {{p|Tangela}}
* {{p|Pinsir}}

== Trivia ==
* Chronologically, this episode takes place prior to ''[[EP046|Attack of the Prehistoric Pokémon]]'', since [[Misty's Togepi]] is not present.
** The original airing schedule suggests that this episode takes place between ''[[EP045|The Song of Jigglypuff]]'' and ''[[EP046|Attack of the Prehistoric Pokémon]]'' (which aired in Japan on May 21, 1998 and May 28, 1998 respectively), which explains why [[Jessie's Lickitung]] is mentioned in [[EP049|''So Near, Yet So Farfetch'd'']]. The correct order is somewhat a mystery because of the episodes airing out of order due to the [[EP038|seizure incident]].
** This episode and [[EP053|the following]] air after ''[[EP057|The Breeding Center Secret]]'' in the dub.
*This is the first episode to be apart of dub season 2 in broadcast order. However, the Pokémon: Indigo League title remains for this and the remaining twenty-seven episodes of the Kanto saga.
* This episode was originally scheduled to air on [[wp:Hinamatsuri|Girls' Day]] itself, on March 3, 1998, but was rescheduled in the aftermath of [[EP038]].
* This is the first episode to play [[Pikachu's Jukebox]].
* The book ''[[Splashdown in Cerulean City]]'' is based on this episode.
* The billboard Ash points out is for the movie filmed in the episode ''[[EP069|Lights, Camera, Quack-tion!]]'', 17 episodes later.
* In the billboard behind Jessie at the beginning of the episode, the letters "PMS" are written.
=== Errors ===
* When Misty is planning for the competition, she says she is going to use {{TP|Misty|Starmie}}. But later in the episode, she tries to use {{TP|Misty|Staryu}} (her Psyduck comes out instead).
* Jessie's Lickitung uses {{m|Lick}} multiple times in this episode; however, Lickitung was unable to actually learn the move until [[Generation II]].
* Jessie's Lickitung's yellow eyebrows turned to a shaded pink many times throughout the episode.

=== Dub edits ===

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Talk:EP052

2011-10-13T17:50:01Z

Raven-14: /* The real EP043? */

== This episode is NOT part of my Indigo League DVD Box Set Volume 2 ==

What's up with that? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 01:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I think they are following the order of many DVD/Video volumes of Pokemon, and thus might have many of these episodes being somewhat Out of Order (Which might ALSO explain why "Holiday Hi-Jynx" is being listed in part 3 of the Pokemon Season 1 boxed set despite it's status as a banned episode).

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~
:You're right, it IS on volume 3, too bad [[EP081|this]] one didn't get included for some reason.

== Ok... About the trivia segment... ==

Should it be worth noting that the behavior of the Fiorello Fangirls caused a certain amount of anger in some people both in and out of the Pokemon fanbase? I had to ask, Since the way those girls acted was somewhat sexist and some people were offended by it (one of these people being my Mom [actually, she was the reason as to why I even know of this horrid depictions of females (AKA, the Typical Female Anime Stereotype) and also why I am working hard to abolish it (esp. in one of my groups.)], But some people at my school as well as some friends of mine, not to mention several members of my family also felt this way.), I mean, It may not be "Carole Boston Weatherford" class news, but I feel this should at least be mentioned, since it covers a similar concept. And, well, it has a LOT to do with my participation in a certain movement to bring a certain character back.

If not, well, it's your choice

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

== PMS? ==

Is it worth mentioning in the trivia section that in the very first scene that Jessie appears in this episode, there is a large billboard that clearly says "PMS" on it?

I can provide a screenshot if necessary. [[User:Neniv|Neniv]] 20:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

== Doll Set ==

Anyone have a screenshot of the doll set Misty wins? I though I might add the Pokémon that are on it too the trivia section. --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 09:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Adding to Debut ==
Lickitung (Jessie's; new, debut)
Wasn't under debuts.

== Contest Similarities ==

Ok, The Queen of the Princess Festival Contest, while it may not have been an actual Pokemon Contest, was at least similar to the Pokemon Contests that started in AG. I'll even list the similarities to you.

*They have a four Pokemon Limit in this contest, the EXACT same limit that a Grand Festival has.

*They had a bit of a dress up portion that all of the competitiors had to participate in (and it's implied that the finalists were decided here)

*They had the divisions table, and the only time they EVER had a divisions table present in any sort of official competition was a Pokemon Contest. On a related note, they didn't have a scoreboard for the two competitors and their pokemon had denoting how many pokemon they had left.

*They even described it in a way that was very similar to what a Pokemon Contest is. I'll even give the direct scene of occurence of the dialoge in question:
::Emcee: Now will the contestants please take out their Poke Balls...
::Misty: Huh? you want us to battle?
::'''Jessie: You mean this ISN'T some sort of Beauty Contest?
::Emcee: Oh no! The Winner of the Queen of the Princess Festival Contest must also be a skilled Pokemon Trainer!''' That description provided by Jessie and the Emcee matched the description of Pokemon Contests perfectly, which is the fact that it's a beauty contest and a battle at the same time.

*[[DP022|Borrowing on Bad Faith]] has shown that Pokemon Contest prizes aren't necessarily the Ribbons, they can also have stuff like Bananas/fruit, for example. That makes it at least similar to a unofficial Pokemon Contest.

So please, don't try to edit it out again... [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:Speculation and original research, Sorry, no. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

::Guys, every single Trivia Section is original research, so we may have to remove the Trivia Sections in order to remove original research as well.
::Heck, History of the Pokemon World is a pretty big excuse to do original research, especially with the Gen III section (They claimed that Gen I and Gen III were intermingled when the only REAL evidence that it's linked is because RSE can trade with FR/LG which is flimsy evidence at best since RSE can also link to both Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon XD simultaneously, despite it being impossible for that to happen seeing how they are separated for at least five years, same deal with FR/LG trading with Colosseum and XD.). The only place that should get away with Original Research is the User pages, since, you know, they aren't actual articles. Anything other than that (INCLUDING Pokeshipping and other Shipping articles) cannot exist on Bulba, so trying to claim OR as a reason to remove it is flawed.
::As for speculation, see the other articles that I mentioned as well, as they are riddled with them. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 14:21, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:::You comparing this battle to a contest is an opinion. I don't see it as one. Sorry, still no. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

== Toungtyd Triva? ==

I know this is probably old news but after Lickitung beats Pikachu in Jessie's battle with Misty, Meowth says something along the lines of the following.

"They won't be able to stop you; unless Lickitung gets tounge-tied."

Now this may seem weak BUT Toungetyd was the beta name for Lickitung and obvoiusly come from the saying Tounge-Tied.

I don't know if that is triva worthy, I just thought I should bring it up.

--[[User:TheProphetJerematic|TheProphetJerematic]] 20:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== The real EP043? ==

Wouldn' it make more sense to put this episode in chronological order with the other episodes other than when it aired? I think it'd make more sense if it was put inbetween EP042 and EP043 and since people may search EP052 for this episode maybe we can make a disambig. page? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 14:27, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::I too think it would make more sense but, unfortunately, the people who run the site aren't the type you can reason with. As an example, I made a change to this article stating that this episode is CLEARLY chronologically prior to [[Attack of the Prehistoric Pokémon]], since there's no sign of togepi, but my edit was reversed under the pretense that "togepi's egg MIGHT be in Brock's bag for the whole episode", ignoring the fact that all episodes, since they got the egg, clearly, show it (even when it plays no part in the episode, like [[Holy Matrimony]]. In a normal website, this would never happen, of course, but here... it's pointless. You're either on the good side of the "higher ups", and hence can force things to be your way, or you're shot down. If they remove or revert something, you might as well just leave it be, so don't expect to see any sense on this episode listing, other than the "airing dates" which vary from country to country and, pretty much, every other site already has. [[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] 15:49, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
::::Actually, I'd like to apologize to the staff of this site for thinking the person who reverted my edit was one of you. I just noticed that, no, it isn't... it's just someone who decided to go into an edit war without bringing his thoughts here first. So, again, my apologies to the staff (even though I've seen dubious comments by staff members in other places of the site, but that's another matter). As for LimeGreenCharizard, if you have an issue with the edit, bring it here... you have no right to revert edits as if you owned the place. [[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] 17:50, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

EP056

2011-10-13T16:46:42Z

Raven-14: /* Trivia */

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'''The Ultimate Test''' (Japanese: '''ポケモンけんていしけん！？''' ''Pokémon Certification Test!?'') is the 56th episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first broadcast in Japan on July 30, 1998 and in the United States on April 24, 1999.

{{spoilers}}
==Synopsis==
{{Ash}}, {{an|Misty}}, {{an|Brock}}, [[Todd Snap|Todd]], {{AP|Pikachu}}, and {{TP|Misty|Togepi|Togetic}} are enjoying a nice lunch until Misty points out that Ash has not won a [[Gym]] [[Badge]] in a while. After nearly choking on his food and washing it down with a glass of water, Ash claims he wins all his battles with skill, and then challenges Misty to a [[Pokémon battle]]. Todd steps in, takes pictures of Pikachu, then tells Ash that he should take the Pokémon League Admissions Exam.

The group arrives at the Pokémon League Admissions Exam building so Ash signs up and gets the testing number 7. Nearby, [[Jessie]], disguised as a schoolgirl, complains that she didn't get number 7, causing Ash to briefly suspect her. Then, [[Nurse Joy]] enters and Brock follows her. Ash then is told by the head instructor to leave all his [[Poké Ball]]s at the counter, as well as temporarily leave Pikachu in Misty's care. Shortly, Nurse Joy tells Ash, Misty, and Brock that she signed up for the exam to become a [[Pokémon Master]]. Soon after, [[James]] walks in, disguised as a schoolboy with glasses, but quickly heads for the counter once Ash sees him. When the head instructor reads James's registration form and calls out his name, James tells him to keep quiet. But unfortunately, Jessie hears this and takes James outside. Once outside, Jessie takes off her glasses and asks James what he is doing there. James confidently says that he too wants to become a Pokémon Master, as well as ask Jessie what ''she's'' doing here. Jessie explains that she wants to add another talent to her collection. Suddenly, {{MTR}} shows up and scratches both their faces. James quickly throws Meowth a ball of yarn, then runs off with Jessie back inside for the exam.

The first exam tests a person's knowledge of {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}, where they answer true or false questions. Ash does his best to answer each of the questions correctly. At the {{p|Magikarp}} question, James becomes angry because of [[EP016|the time]] he had that {{DL|List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Team Rocket|Gyarados}}, as well as notice Jessie giving each question a "true" answer, hoping that she gets half of them right.

The second exam tests a person's ability to recognize Pokémon. The Pokémon to recognize on the screen looks like a ball. Ash think it's a {{p|Voltorb}}, James thinks it's a Poké Ball, and Jessie thinks it's an {{p|Electrode}}. The head instructor reveals the answer: a {{p|Jigglypuff}} seen from above. The next Pokémon to recognize looks like a swirl. Ash guesses it's a {{p|Poliwhirl}}, James believes it's a {{p|Omanyte}}, and Jessie guesses it's an {{p|Arbok}} when it's all coiled up. Unfortunately, the correct answer is a {{p|Poliwag}}. The next Pokémon for all the students to guess has a fiery tail, and Ash guesses it's a {{p|Charmander}}, but the right answer was {{p|Ponyta}}. A furious Jessie demands that she be asked easier questions, and the head instructor expels her. Once outside, Jessie wakes up Meowth and says that they're going to get revenge.

When the scoreboard comes down, Ash wonders where his score is. Misty points out that Ash's score is on the scoreboard for all the students who got the lowest scores, as Todd takes a picture, much to Ash's chagrin. Meanwhile, James stands alone in a corner, vowing that he will try extra hard for Jessie.

The third exam involves Pokémon battles, as Nurse Joy uses a {{p|Squirtle}} against a fellow instructor's Charmander. Next, the head instructor tells Ash and James that they each have to select a belt of three Poké Balls, even though they don't know what Pokémon are inside them. They choose their belts, and James is up first against the head instructor. The first Pokémon James sends out is a Pikachu, much to his delight. James believes that he can't lose with Pikachu and claims that he's been destroyed by {{AP|Pikachu}}'s {{m|ThunderShock|att}}{{m|Thunderbolt|acks}} so many times that he knew them all by heart. The head instructor then sends out a {{p|Graveler}}. James immediately commands Pikachu to use {{m|Thunderbolt}}, but the attack doesn't work on Graveler. Then, Graveler sends Pikachu flying with a {{m|Tackle}}. Angry at this, James then sends out an {{p|Ivysaur}} and a {{p|Charizard}} at the same time. But unfortunately, the head instructor expels James for bringing out two Pokémon at once.

It is Ash's turn to face the head instructor, who sends out a {{p|Flareon}}. Ash pulls out his first Poké Ball, which reveals a {{p|Weezing}}, much to Ash's shock and displeasure (made only worse when Todd starts taking pictures of his face looking like Weezing's). The instructor has Flareon use {{m|Flamethrower}}, which Weezing proceeds to dodge. Coming up with an idea, Ash tells Weezing to counter with {{m|Smog}}, which explodes upon being hit by the Flamethrower, throwing Flareon backwards. Flareon then uses {{m|Leer}}, but Ash has Weezing use {{m|SmokeScreen}} to hide, then follow up with a Tackle, knocking Flareon out. As Misty comments on Ash being good at battling after all, Brock comments that even Team Rocket could win if they battled like that. Meanwhile, Team Rocket is taking notes of Ash's fighting strategy. Next, the head instructor sends out a {{p|Jolteon}}, and Ash sends out an Arbok. Jolteon uses {{m|Agility}}, but Arbok stops it with {{m|Glare}}. Then, Arbok uses {{m|Wrap}} but gets hurt by Jolteon's spikes. At this point, while Arbok is wincing in pain, Jolteon shakes off the Glare attack and finishes it off with {{m|Thunder}}. For the final round, Ash opens his last Poké Ball to reveal a {{p|Meowth}}, while the head instructor sends out a {{p|Vaporeon}}. Meowth tries to use {{m|Fury Swipes}}, but gets {{status|Freeze|frozen}} in its tracks when Vaporeon uses {{m|Ice Beam}}, giving the victory to the head instructor. Team Rocket's Meowth scratches Ash's face and frees his fellow Meowth. The head instructor is impressed by the talking Meowth, so he goes to capture him. However, [[Team Rocket]] returns with James's Pikachu, Ivysaur, and Charizard. The head instructor demands that they return those Pokémon immediately. Jessie and James then say their {{motto}} and remove their disguises. Then, Team Rocket orders Ivysaur to use {{m|Vine Whip}}, Charizard to use Flamethrower, and Pikachu to use {{m|Thunder}}. Before the Pokémon attack, the head instructor quickly orders them to about-face, causing Pikachu, Ivysaur, and Charizard to attack Team Rocket. Ash realizes that those Pokémon listened to the head instructor because he {{pkmn|training|raised}} them. Then, Ash orders his Meowth, Weezing, and Arbok to also stop Team Rocket. Weezing uses {{m|Explosion}}, sending Team Rocket blasting off again.

Back inside the PLAE building, the head instructor tells the whole class that due to Team Rocket's interference, they have to do the entire exam all over again. The head instructor then offers Ash another chance to pass the test, but Ash refuses, saying that he's better off winning Gym Badges from [[Gym Leader]]s. Misty is now convinced that Ash ''has'' got skill. A short time later, as Ash, Misty, and Brock say goodbye to the head instructor and Nurse Joy before heading off for [[Cinnabar Island]], Todd comes up to Nurse Joy with one of the two Meowth that got hurt in the Explosion. The Meowth then talks, revealing that it is Team Rocket's Meowth. Meanwhile, as Jessie and James vow revenge on Ash and his friends, they quickly discover that they ended up with the wrong Meowth.

==Major events==
{{animeevents}}
===Debuts===

==Characters==
===Humans===
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|Misty}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[Todd Snap]]
* [[Nurse Joy]]
* [[Pokémon League entrance exam instructor]]
* Other Trainers

===Pokémon===
[[File:Dare da EP056.png|200px|thumb|Who's That Pokémon?]]
[[Who's That Pokémon?]]: {{p|Vulpix}} (''U.S. and international''), {{p|Jigglypuff}} (a view from above) (''Japan'')

* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{OP|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Togepi}} ({{OP|Misty|Togepi}})

Pokémon seen at the exam:

* {{DL|Pokémon League entrance exam instructor|Ivysaur}}
* {{p|Charmander}}
* {{DL|Pokémon League entrance exam instructor|Charizard}}
* {{p|Squirtle}}
* {{p|Weedle}}
* {{DL|Pokémon League entrance exam instructor|Arbok}}
* {{DL|Pokémon League entrance exam instructor|Pikachu}}
* {{p|Oddish}}
* {{DL|Pokémon League entrance exam instructor|Meowth}}
* {{p|Graveler}}
* {{DL|Pokémon League entrance exam instructor|Weezing}}
* {{p|Vaporeon}}
* {{p|Jolteon}}
* {{p|Flareon}}

==Trivia==
* The Pokémon Ash uses in the exam are the same species as those that [[Team Rocket]] uses to battle him outside of it: {{p|Arbok}}, {{p|Weezing}}, and {{p|Meowth}}. James does almost the same, in reverse: he gets a {{p|Pikachu}}, {{p|Ivysaur}}, and {{p|Charizard}} to use; it would have been an exact correlation had [[Ash's Bulbasaur]] not refused to evolve [[EP051|five episodes prior]].
* This is one episode where Charizard does not keep its Japanese voice and its voice is provided by [[Eric Stuart]].
* James receives a team similar to the one that [[Red (game)#In the Super Smash Bros. series|Pokémon Trainer]] has in [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]], except with a Pikachu instead of a Squirtle.
* This marks the only appearance in the series (so far) of a {{p|Weezing}} other than the one [[James's Weezing|belonging to James]].
* This marks one of the few occasions where Meowth is seen in battle.
* Ash has trouble initially remembering what attacks Arbok can learn, despite battling {{OP|Jessie|Arbok}} in almost every episode prior to this one. He also had trouble remembering Meowth's attacks, but this is understandable seeing as Team Rocket's {{MTR}} hardly ever battles. Curiously, he has battled [[James's Weezing]] an equal amount of times to Arbok and had very little, if any, trouble remembering what moves a Weezing could learn.
* The theory test of this episode seems to be a reference to the questionnaire on the games' [[Cinnabar Gym]], which you can use to bypass the trainer battles up to [[Blaine]], the Gym Leader. In the anime, Blaine just happens to be the the Gym Leader who [[Ash]] is supposed to challenge next. However, unlike in the games, passing the tests results in instant qualification to the [[Pokémon League]], bypassing the requirement of eight gym badges to enter.

===Errors===

* When Ash hands over his Poké Balls to the Pokémon League entrance exam instructor, there are 5. When the instructor closes his hand, there are 6.
* When Meowth scratches both Jessie and James, there are four lines of light. But Jessie and James faces have three marks.
* The instructor shows an image of a {{p|Poliwrath}} and {{p|Poliwag}} but calls them {{p|Poliwhirl}} and Poliwag.
* The instructor says {{type2|Electric}} moves do not work on {{t|Rock}} Pokémon, in reference to Pikachu's Thunderbolt failing to affect his {{p|Graveler}}. Actually, {{type2|Electric}} moves don't work on {{type2|Ground}}s, which Graveler is also, but have normal effectiveness on Rock-types.
[[File:EP056error ShinyWeedle.png|right|thumb|300px|Shiny Weedle? (bottom)]]
* In one scene where the gang talks to [[Nurse Joy]] and [[Todd Snap|Todd]] takes pictures of Pokémon, there is a Trainer with a green-colored {{p|Weedle}}. Though it may merely be a coloring error, Weedle is green when {{Shiny}} in {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} sprites, but in a different shade.
* The computer's image of a {{p|Caterpie}} leaves a section of its body colored the purple on the screen.
* When Ash is returning Arbok to its Poké Ball, the number seven on his jacket has vanished.

===Dub edits===
*Two of the slides were different in the original Japanese version. The question of Vulpix evolving into Ninetales via use of the Fire Stone was concocted by the 4Kids staff. The original question was whether or not a {{p|Wartortle}} was a good use against a {{p|Ninetales}}. The Poliwag slide with Poliwrath on it originally had the correct Pokémon (Poliwhirl) next to Poliwag.
'''Test 1: 2nd Question'''
<gallery>
File:EP056 Wartortle Ninetales.png|Original Japanese version
File:2nd question slide.png‎|Dubbed English version
</gallery>
'''Test 2: Poliwag Slide'''
<gallery>
File:EP056 Poliwhirl Slide.png|Original Japanese version
File:PoliwagWrongEvolution.png‎|Dubbed English version
</gallery>

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Talk:EP052

2011-10-13T15:49:06Z

Raven-14: /* The real EP043? */

Talk:EP053

2011-10-13T03:03:56Z

Raven-14: Created page with "I'd like to comment on a couple of things on this page, starting with the Major Events. I just finished watching this episode, and Horsea does not participate in any battle, so I..."

I'd like to comment on a couple of things on this page, starting with the Major Events. I just finished watching this episode, and Horsea does not participate in any battle, so I don't know if it's accurate to say it knows "bubble". It's true that there is a scene where bubbles are all around a fountain, Horsea is in it (with other Pokémon around), and is assumed Horsea is making those bubbles, but I wouldn't call that a "bubble" attack. It's not even obvious that it's Horsea doing the bubbles to begin with.

Also, in the Trivia section, it claims that this episode happens after Princess vs Princess, which is true since Togepi is hatched, but the reference to that episode may be dub only. [[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] 03:03, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

EP052

2011-10-13T01:44:33Z

Raven-14: /* Trivia */

Onix (Pokémon)/Generation I learnset

2010-11-30T17:28:57Z

Raven-14: Fissure has 30% accuracy in generation I

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====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
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{{learnlist/level1|Start|Screech|Normal|—|85|40}}
{{learnlist/level1|15|Bind|Normal|15|75|20}}
{{learnlist/level1|19|Rock Throw|Rock|50|65|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level1|25|Rage|Normal|20|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level1|33|Slam|Normal|80|75|20}}
{{learnlist/level1|43|Harden|Normal|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Onix|rock|ground|1|1}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Onix|rock|ground|1|1}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM06|Toxic|Poison|—|85|10}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM08|Body Slam|Normal|85|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM09|Take Down|Normal|90|85|20}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM10|Double-Edge|Normal|100|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM20|Rage|Normal|20|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM27|Fissure|Ground|—|30|5}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM28|Dig|Ground|100|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM31|Mimic|Normal|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM32|Double Team|Normal|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM34|Bide|Normal|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM36|Selfdestruct|Normal|130|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM40|Skull Bash|Normal|100|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM44|Rest|Psychic|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM47|Explosion|Normal|170|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM48|Rock Slide|Rock|75|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm1|TM50|Substitute|Normal|—|—|10}}
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Talk:Double-Edge (move)

2010-11-30T14:25:25Z

Raven-14: /* Clarification needed */ new section

I think that there needs to be some corrections to this page.

I think this is what it should be:

Generation I: Base damage 100, Recoil 1/4

Generation II: Base damage 120, Recoil 1/4

Generations III/IV: Base damage 120, Recoil 1/3 (Found in three Nintendo Power guides and through personal experience I know this to be true)

[[User:Fensti|Fensti]] 01:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC) fensti
:There's only one way to test this. Hurting myself with Double-Edge! Yay! And yes, 1/3 is correct. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:20, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== Clairify? ==

"If the user of Double-Edge attacks first and makes itself faint due to recoil damage, the target will not attack or be subjected to recurrent damage during that round. However, the user will still be subject to recurrent damage. "
Am I the only one that thinks this statement could be clearer? What's being said here? The way I read it the target pokemon won't receive poison/leach seed damage...and the user...does still take damage from that type of move? After...fainting? Is this a programing technicality or am I reading this wrong, because that situation (taking damage apparently after a self-inflicted KO) doesn't seem like it would ever happen.--[[User:Barakku|Barakku]] 17:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

== Clarification needed ==

In the description it says:

"Self-inflicted recoil damage from Double-Edge from the previous turn can be countered if the target does not make a move on the following turn"

What does this mean, exactly? If the target is asleep or faints due to this attack, the user doesn't get any recoil?

[[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] 14:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Viridian Forest

2010-11-30T13:42:29Z

Raven-14: Double post, sorry

== Forest In G/S/C ==

In [[Generation II]], does the forest exist? I thought that only tree stumps could be found here
:Tag please - I'll look into it. *boots up Gameboy* I'm pretty sure it's treestumps and patches of grass there in GSC. -[[User:Fragment|Fragment]] 14:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, in GSC, it's just a smaller, narrower version of its former self. The forest is part of Route 2 now. Pikachu can be found in Route 2's grasses now, because the forest has no grass anymore. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 11:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Sad BOO HOO

==Pidgeotto in Yellow==
1%?! REALLY? Someone ought to look that up, see if it's true. If it is, though, that would explain a lot. Like why I only found three Pidgeotto in the scope of two hours! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 11:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:That's what I've seen on multiple fansites and strategy guides for years and years. I just emulated Yellow recently, and with the speed up button I was able to play what the game figured was 4 hours in the spance of an hour (spent going back and forth between Viridian Forest and the Pokémon Center at Viridian City to heal PP). Over those four game hours, I found only one Pidgeotto (which I caught). It really is an intensely low percentage. Think about it - Pidgeotto aren't supposed to evolve until level 18. So finding a level 9 one is practically unbelievable. So yeah, it's 1%, I'm almost certain of it, based on both my gameplay (I was actually worried I would get so strong with all my Pokémon that I would KO it before I could catch it), and based on memories from sites and guide books. Of course, only hacking the game could get the 100% confirmation of that 1% chance validity. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 02:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

==Fire red leaf green==
The pokemon persentages add up to 65% on those games I cant really do anything about it. where is the source for the presectages? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Ty Boyd}} ([[User talk:Ty Boyd|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ty Boyd|contribs]]) ''

== Noctowl in HGSS ==

I was in Viridian Forest and found an underleveled Noctowl, it was level 7, should this be in the trivia section? (it's also in the Pokémon section in the article) [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 12:37, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:As long as it's listed in the wild Pokémon list it shold be fine. Underleveled Pokémon are actually quite common, so there isn't really a need to put it in the trivia section. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Ariados ==

The HG pokédex says that you can find Ariados in Viridan Forest, can anybody get a percentage for this or is it false? {{unsigned|Christophski}}
:I believe you can find it there—in headbutt trees. Unfortunately, we don't have Pokémon and their encounter rates for headbutt trees on location pages (yet), so it'll be hard to add to the page. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 21:53, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::You can, but there's only one headbutt tree in Viridian. I caught one around level 5. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pikachu availability from Gen I to Gen III ==

I noticed that in Pikachu's page it says that it's "uncommon" in Red/Blue and "rare" in LeafGreen/FireRed, however here on the location page, both generations claim "5%" - isn't that inconsistent?

I don't know where the people get these numbers but, from personal experience, after walking around for about half an hour, I can find a Pikachu or two in Red or Blue, but after one hour, I couldn't find a single Pikachu in LeafGreen (haven't tried FireRed yet). This leads me to believe that the Pikachu page is right, and the Viridian Forest (this one) is wrong... Pikachu's are either non-existant or should be about 1% (definitely not 5%) in the 3rd generation games.
[[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] 13:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Viridian Forest

2010-11-30T13:41:44Z

Raven-14: /* Pikachu availability from Gen I to Gen III */ new section

== Forest In G/S/C ==

In [[Generation II]], does the forest exist? I thought that only tree stumps could be found here
:Tag please - I'll look into it. *boots up Gameboy* I'm pretty sure it's treestumps and patches of grass there in GSC. -[[User:Fragment|Fragment]] 14:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, in GSC, it's just a smaller, narrower version of its former self. The forest is part of Route 2 now. Pikachu can be found in Route 2's grasses now, because the forest has no grass anymore. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 11:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Sad BOO HOO

==Pidgeotto in Yellow==
1%?! REALLY? Someone ought to look that up, see if it's true. If it is, though, that would explain a lot. Like why I only found three Pidgeotto in the scope of two hours! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 11:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:That's what I've seen on multiple fansites and strategy guides for years and years. I just emulated Yellow recently, and with the speed up button I was able to play what the game figured was 4 hours in the spance of an hour (spent going back and forth between Viridian Forest and the Pokémon Center at Viridian City to heal PP). Over those four game hours, I found only one Pidgeotto (which I caught). It really is an intensely low percentage. Think about it - Pidgeotto aren't supposed to evolve until level 18. So finding a level 9 one is practically unbelievable. So yeah, it's 1%, I'm almost certain of it, based on both my gameplay (I was actually worried I would get so strong with all my Pokémon that I would KO it before I could catch it), and based on memories from sites and guide books. Of course, only hacking the game could get the 100% confirmation of that 1% chance validity. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 02:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

==Fire red leaf green==
The pokemon persentages add up to 65% on those games I cant really do anything about it. where is the source for the presectages? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Ty Boyd}} ([[User talk:Ty Boyd|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ty Boyd|contribs]]) ''

== Noctowl in HGSS ==

I was in Viridian Forest and found an underleveled Noctowl, it was level 7, should this be in the trivia section? (it's also in the Pokémon section in the article) [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 12:37, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:As long as it's listed in the wild Pokémon list it shold be fine. Underleveled Pokémon are actually quite common, so there isn't really a need to put it in the trivia section. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Ariados ==

The HG pokédex says that you can find Ariados in Viridan Forest, can anybody get a percentage for this or is it false? {{unsigned|Christophski}}
:I believe you can find it there—in headbutt trees. Unfortunately, we don't have Pokémon and their encounter rates for headbutt trees on location pages (yet), so it'll be hard to add to the page. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 21:53, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::You can, but there's only one headbutt tree in Viridian. I caught one around level 5. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pikachu availability from Gen I to Gen III ==

I noticed that in Pikachu's page it says that it's "uncommon" in Red/Blue and "rare" in LeafGreen/FireRed, however here on the location page, both generations claim "5%" - isn't that inconsistent?

I don't know where the people get these numbers but, from personal experience, after walking around for about half an hour, I can find a Pikachu or two in Red or Blue, but after one hour, I couldn't find a single Pikachu in LeafGreen (haven't tried FireRed yet). This leads me to believe that the Pikachu page is right, and the Viridian Forest (this one) is wrong... Pikachu's are either non-existant or should be about 1% (definitely not 5%) in the 3rd generation games.

== Pikachu availability from Gen I to Gen III ==

I noticed that in Pikachu's page it says that it's "uncommon" in Red/Blue and "rare" in LeafGreen/FireRed, however here on the location page, both generations claim "5%" - isn't that inconsistent?

I don't know where the people get these numbers but, from personal experience, after walking around for about half an hour, I can find a Pikachu or two in Red or Blue, but after one hour, I couldn't find a single Pikachu in LeafGreen (haven't tried FireRed yet). This leads me to believe that the Pikachu page is right, and the Viridian Forest (this one) is wrong... Pikachu's are either non-existant or should be about 1% (definitely not 5%) in the 3rd generation games.
[[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] 13:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Viridian Forest

2010-11-30T13:41:34Z

Raven-14: /* Pikachu availability from Gen I to Gen III */ new section

Talk:Groudon (Pokémon)

2010-11-28T10:01:57Z

Raven-14: /* Groudon's Draught effect in Pokémon Ruby - need confirmation */

== Groudon VS. Kyogre ==
If a Groudon battled a Kyogre, and they were both same level, would drought or drizzle last for the rest of the battle? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 14:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe both... but is that possible? --[[User:Hey1031|Hey1031]] 14:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)♫☆
:I'm not completely possitive, but I think that they'll just cancel each other out. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 17:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::I've already had this dicussion before. The weather effect is chosen at random between the two. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 17:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I've read that it's whichever Pokémon has lower speed. I don't know where I read that, but it was somewhere. Possibly here, possibly Serebii. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 23:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Well that actually does sound pretty logical. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 23:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Lower speed? Wait that doesn't make sense, it's not the other way around? Why would some Pokémon with lower speed have their ability to work quicker?
:::::I know I'm going off-topic now, but how can I get Pokémon sprites to my signature like you guys have? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 23:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Oh, I didn't see the lower speed thing. Yea, I think it will be the effect of the one with the '''higher''' speed stat. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 23:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Come to think of it the one with lower speed CAN make sense. Could it be possible that the first weather takes effect and then the other one replaces it? I'd love to see a YouTube video of this happening. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I got a better idea I will MAKE a YouTube video with that happening. I will do that on Wednesday. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I'm up for a battle, 1 on 1, Groudon VS (my) Kyogre. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|☆]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{ani|281}} 00:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought it was whoever was sent out second, their Ability will take effect... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 01:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Except for the fact that they're both sent out at the same time. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''01:58 4 Jun 2008'''''

::But the games don't actually show them being sent out at exactly the same time... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::When its groudons turn, drought is in effect and vice versa ([[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 16:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

::::If that's the case, then Kyogre should win the battle seeing that it has the type advantage that is increased by its Drizzle Ability. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I've had experience with this since me and my friend battle our groudon and kyogre respectivly, the pokemon who is sent out '''second''' will have it's ability active since it overrides the first one's ability, speed has nothing to do with it and no game has changed that not even battle revolution. so technically it's random since the the first one out almost always changes each battle. - [[User:Geomexis|Geomexis]] 13:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:What really happens is that Drought and Drizzle really do activate in Speed order, if both Groudon and Kyogre are sent out first. The faster Pokémon's ability activates, then the slower one's activates. If both Groudon and Kyogre are switched in at the same time, then the Pokémon that actually comes out of the Poké Ball first activates its ability first, then the other one's activates afterward. That situation depends on who selects to switch Pokémon out first/last. This also applies to Tyranitar, Hippowdon, and Abomasnow. [[User:Ranko Hoshino|Ranko Hoshino]] 02:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Fake Groudons ==

Perhaps it could be an interesting trivia how Groudon copies and illusions have appeared lots: That ''thing'' in the Jirachi movie, Mismagius' illusion and Uxie's illusion in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2

:/
::exactly, I forgot about the Mismagius thing but it is definatley trivia worth [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I was watching ''Jirachi: The Wishmaker'' the other day, and i think the movie provides useful insight into how the real Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza were created. The movie reveals that at least two things are necessary to create one of the Weather Trio: a special mineral of which their bodies consist, and a special marking. Whoever created each of them, let's say Arceus, drew markings into the ground using the aforementioned mineral, and like a spell, a being arose with the abilities of said markings. The reason that Butler's plan didn't work was because the marking for Groudon wasn't finished since Jirachi was taken out of the machine. The result was a monster that was kind of like Groudon, but had watery tendrils, and absorbed all the life it could reach into its body. (I call it 'Grougre' since it looked like Groudon, could manipulate water like Kyogre, and had the uncanny power to absorb life. At least, i think it's a good name. :P ) Anyway, that would explain why Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza all have strange, unique markings on them.
Also, shouldn't an article be made about the monster Groudon?-- [[User:Webspidrman|Webspidrman]] 02:56, 26 May 2010

== Groudon Origins ==

I noticed that there is no similarity to Groudon and Godzilla. Considering it battles Kyogre and levels sootopolis, also considering its appearance, I think Godzilla should be added to its list of possible origins.--[[User:Janis|Janis]] 20:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

:yes, it could be, and it could be compared that Groudon's [[Solar Beam]] comes out from its mouth like what Godzilla do when it uses its Atomic Breath? [[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 11:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

not to mention that it's shiny form is yellow, like godzilla.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 00:12, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

:wait what? in what godzilla anything is godzilla yellow?! i grew up on godzilla stuff and i think i'd remember his color changing from he dark green, dark blue, or dark browns that he's always been depicted as to yellow. - [[User:Geomexis|Geomexis]] 13:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

::Godzilla's either charcoal-grey (most movies) or dark green (Hanna-Barbera cartoon, 2000, vs. Megaguirus). Either way, not yellow. [[User:Goldenpelt|Goldenpelt]] 09:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Something else about the name origin? ==

Perhaps the "don" in "Groudon" stands for the Japanese ドンッ (''don'') which is an onomatopoeia for a crash? (Considering that Groudon can create earthquakes by slamming its feet onto the ground, they would make the "don" sound) Just wondering. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 04:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

== HG/SS Japanese Text ==
I notice that the Japanese text here is not translated like in most/all of the other Pokémon pages. I would do this, but I don't speak japanese and I know Google translator can be very iffy when translating more than a word or two. If someone could do this, that would be great.[[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 02:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

== Height Trivia ==
Groudon in the anime IS the correct size. It's not the same HEIGHT as Arbok, as Arbok's "height" is LENGTH. Look at the two in the PokéDex for crying out loud! I would upload a comparison pic myself but I have no way of recording anything on my DSi unlike most other people. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 19:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

== Type Trivia ==
"Groudon is the only Ground-type Legendary Pokémon, excluding Arceus holding an Earth Plate."
[[Landlos (Pokémon)]]
.....
[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 23:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:It obviously hadn't been updated since BW was released. If you see other things like that, there's no need to talk page it. Just remove it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

== Maylupa? ==

Who added the 'Maylupa' trivia? I'm just asking because I've never heard of it before and a quick Google turned up squat. Could someone please clarify and expand this trivia? --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 08:52, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, someone must have thought "Maylupa" is a name of a deity. I took that trivia out, since it's actually just {{tt|Filipino|From Google Translate}} for "landlord". [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 10:08, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Groudon's Draught effect in Pokémon Ruby - need confirmation ==

I'd like to point something that happened in my game.

I always took the time to replant a seed in the areas where I took out berries.
Also, if I found an area where the soil was empty, I'd plant a berry there too.

Now, according to some NPC in the game, when a tree is grown and no one picks the berries, a berry drops on the soil and the tree starts growing again, right?

Well, after I caught Groudon, I went back through the map to check on a few things, and noticed that several soil patches were completely empty.
Nothing was there.

I believe this was because I didn't rush to catch Groudon...
I just went around, leveled up, and did other stuff.
Could this be the effect of Draught over the world map?

I just need someone who has been playing this game to confirm if this is true, or if there's some other explanation for the empty soil patches
(there were many, in several routes, not just one).

Also, if there are other effects like a constant low tide in shoal islands
(I thought about this one only after I saw the patches, so I already had Groudon caught)

If it's true, then it would make sense to think that Kyogre's rain, over a long period of time, may have an effect as well
(perhaps increased berry growth? constant high tide?)

Any input from anyone who has Ruby, Sapphire or even Emerald is appreciated, thanks. {{unsigned|Raven-14}}
:How long did you leave it before going back to check? They will only replant themselves a certain number of times. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
::I was regularly going back to collect berries, now that I had Fly available (for use in Pokeblocks and also use them instead of Antidotes and Full Heals because it saves money), so no more than 2 days of real time and around 6 to 8 hours of game time. I was leveling in that time and then caught Groudon. After that, when I made my runs through the several routes to gather the berries, some were completely gone, others were still there.
::[[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] 10:01, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Groudon (Pokémon)

2010-11-27T08:02:32Z

Raven-14: /* Groudon's Draught effect in Pokémon Ruby - need confirmation */ new section

Talk:Cacturne (Pokémon)/Generation III learnset

2010-11-25T08:31:57Z

Raven-14: Confirming two small edits

Can someone explain to me why Cacturne TM moves like "Hyper Beam" and "Bullet Seed" have different PP numbers?

For instance, "Hyper Beam" should be 5, but it says 15, and "Bullet Seed" should be 10, but it says 30.

I thought it might be some ability that Cacturne has, but then why it only affects some moves and not others?

Bottom-line, unless someone has an explanation for this, I'll have to assume the page needs editing/fixing.

[[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] 06:00, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
:The only PP affecting ability in Generation III (I don't know many Gen V abilities) is Pressure, which doesn't affect the user's PP. Those are errors. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:13, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
::That's what I thought, thanks for replying. I went ahead and fixed it.
::By the way, "Bullet Seed" was ok (must have looked at Power instead of PP), but "Giga Drain" also needed fixing since it didn't have 10 PP until Gen IV.
::[[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] 08:31, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Cacturne (Pokémon)/Generation III learnset

2010-11-25T08:26:54Z

Raven-14: /* By TM/HM */ Hyper Beam and Giga Drain PP count was off.

{{pokelinkback|332|Cacturne|3}}
__NOTOC__
====By [[level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Cacturne|grass|dark|3|3}}
{{learnlist/level3|Start|Revenge|Fighting|60|100|10|Tough|3|0|||FRLG}}
{{learnlist/level3|Start|Poison Sting|Poison|15|100|35|Smart|2|3}}
{{learnlist/level3|Start|Leer|Normal|—|100|30|Cool|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level3|Start|Absorb|Grass|20|100|20|Smart|2|3||'''}}
{{learnlist/level3|Start|Growth|Normal|—|—|40|Beauty|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level3|5|Absorb|Grass|20|100|20|Smart|2|3||'''}}
{{learnlist/level3|9|Growth|Normal|—|—|40|Beauty|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level3|13|Leech Seed|Grass|—|90|10|Smart|2|2}}
{{learnlist/level3|17|Sand-Attack|Ground|—|100|15|Cute|2|1}}
{{learnlist/level3|21|Pin Missile|Bug|14|85|20|Cool|2|1}}
{{learnlist/level3|25|Ingrain|Grass|—|—|20|Smart|1|0}}
{{learnlist/level3|29|Faint Attack|Dark|60|—|20|Smart|2|0||'''}}
{{learnlist/level3|35|Spikes|Ground|—|—|20|Smart|2|0}}
{{learnlist/level3|41|Needle Arm|Grass|60|100|15|Smart|1|4||'''}}
{{learnlist/level3|47|Cotton Spore|Grass|—|85|40|Beauty|2|1}}
{{learnlist/level3|53|Sandstorm|Rock|—|—|10|Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/level3|59|Destiny Bond|Ghost|—|—|5|Smart|8|0|||FRLG}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Cacturne|grass|dark|3|3}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Cacturne|grass|dark|3|3}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM01|Focus Punch|Fighting|150|100|20|Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM06|Toxic|Poison|—|85|10|Smart|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM09|Bullet Seed|Grass|10|100|30|Cool|2|1||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|—|100|15|Smart|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|—|—|5|Beauty|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|150|90|5|Cool|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM17|Protect|Normal|—|—|10|Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM19|Giga Drain|Grass|60|100|5|Smart|2|1||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM21|Frustration|Normal|—|100|20|Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|120|100|10|Cool|4|0||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM27|Return|Normal|—|100|20|Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM32|Double Team|Normal|—|—|15|Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM37|Sandstorm|Rock|—|—|10|Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM42|Facade|Normal|70|100|20|Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM43|Secret Power|Normal|70|100|20|Smart|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM44|Rest|Psychic|—|—|10|Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm3|TM45|Attract|Normal|—|100|15|Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm3|HM01|Cut|Normal|50|95|30|Cool|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm3|HM04|Strength|Normal|80|100|15|Tough|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm3|HM05|Flash|Normal|—|70|20|Beauty|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Cacturne|grass|dark|3|3}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Cacturne|grass|dark|3|3}}
{{learnlist/breed3|{{MSP|043|Oddish}}{{MSP|044|Gloom}}{{MSP|045|Vileplume}}{{MSP|182|Bellossom}} {{MSP|069|Bellsprout}}{{MSP|070|Weepinbell}}{{MSP|071|Victreebel}}|Acid|Poison|40|100|30|Smart|1|4}}
{{learnlist/breed3|{{MSP|107|Hitmonchan}} {{MSP|237|Hitmontop}} {{MSP|286|Breloom}}|Counter|Fighting|—|100|20|Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/breed3|{{MSP|066|Machop}}{{MSP|067|Machoke}}{{MSP|068|Machamp}} {{MSP|286|Breloom}}|DynamicPunch|Fighting|100|50|5|Cool|2|1}}
{{learnlist/breed3|{{MSP|315|Roselia}}|GrassWhistle|Grass|—|55|15|Smart|1|3}}
{{learnlist/breed3|{{MSP|327|Spinda}}|Teeter Dance|Normal|—|100|20|Cute|4|4}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Cacturne|grass|dark|3|3}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Cacturne|grass|dark|3|3}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Body Slam|Normal|85|100|15|Tough|1|4|||yes|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Counter|Fighting|—|100|20|Tough|2|0|||yes|yes|no}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Double-Edge|Normal|120|100|15|Tough|6|0|||yes|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|DynamicPunch|Fighting|100|50|5|Cool|2|1|||no|yes|no}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Endure|Normal|—|—|10|Tough|2|0|||no|yes|no}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Fury Cutter|Bug|10|95|20|Cool|3|0|||no|yes|no}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Mega Kick|Normal|120|75|5|Cool|4|0|||yes|yes|no}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Mega Punch|Normal|80|85|20|Tough|4|0|||yes|yes|no}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Mimic|Normal|—|—|10|Cute|1|0|||yes|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Mud-Slap|Ground|20|100|10|Cute|2|1|||no|yes|no}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Seismic Toss|Fighting|—|100|20|Tough|2|1|||yes|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Sleep Talk|Normal|—|—|10|Cute|3|0|||no|yes|no}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Snore|Normal|40|100|15|Cool|4|0|||no|yes|no}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Substitute|Normal|—|—|10|Smart|2|0|||yes|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Swagger|Normal|—|90|15|Cute|2|0|||no|yes|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|Swords Dance|Normal|—|—|30|Beauty|1|0|||yes|yes|no}}
{{learnlist/tutor3|ThunderPunch|Electric|75|100|15|Cool|4|0|||no|yes|no}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Cacturne|grass|dark|3|3}}

Talk:Cacturne (Pokémon)/Generation III learnset

2010-11-25T06:00:16Z

Raven-14: Move PPs are wrong?

Johto Route 33

2010-11-23T15:25:02Z

Raven-14: /* Generation II */ Heracross and Aipom availability in Crystal was switched

{{Route infobox
|number=33
|size=250
|image=Route 33.png
|imageII=Route 33.png
|type=land
|north=Union Cave
|west=Azalea Town
|region=Johto
|generation=2
}}

'''Route 33''' is an east-west route in southern [[Johto]]. It is extremely short, and players need only to face one {{pkmn|Trainer}} before arriving at [[Azalea Town]]. In [[Generation IV]], it is always [[Weather conditions#Heavy rain|raining]] on this route.

==Route description==
The fifth route that Trainers from {{to|New Bark}} encounter, Route 33 is a short route that travels west to [[Azalea Town]]. This route is not very long, since Trainers have already traveled through [[Union Cave]] and passed {{rt|32|Johto}} to reach this clearing. After exiting [[Union Cave]] through a small opening, the player will find a small clearing with a sign. After climbing down the stairs or jumping the [[ledge]], the player can either go west or find a patch of [[tall grass]] where Pokémon from previous routes appear. By going west, the player will be able to find a berry tree on which a [[Berry#List of Berries|PSNCureBerry]] grows, as well as a single Trainer, a [[Hiker]], who can be battled. By continuing west, the player will finally reach [[Azalea Town]], the next town on the Trainer quest.

In [[Generation IV]], Route 33 is a little different from before. It is now always [[Weather conditions#Heavy rain|raining]], and the effects of the rain are effective during battles. There are also two berry trees now in the place of the single tree. The right-hand tree holds a [[Apricorn#List of Apricorns|Black Apricorn]], while the left-hand tree holds a [[Apricorn#List of Apricorns|Pink Apricorn]].

==Items==
{{Itlisth}}
{{Itlistbod|none|By the tree just outside of [[Union Cave]]|GSC|display={{DL|Berries (Generation II)|PSNCureBerry}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Blk Apricorn|Right-hand tree just outside of [[Union Cave]]|HGSS|display={{DL|Apricorn|Blk Apricorn}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Pnk Apricorn|Left-hand tree just outside of [[Union Cave]]|HGSS|display={{DL|Apricorn|Pnk Apricorn}}}}
{{Itlistfoot}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation II===
{{Catch/header|land|yes}}
{{catch/entry2|023|Ekans|no|yes|no|Grass|7|all=30%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry2|023|Ekans|no|no|yes|Grass|7|5%|5%|0%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entry2|074|Geodude|no|no|yes|Grass|6|all=20%|type1=Rock|type2=Ground}}
{{catch/entry2|019|Rattata|yes|no|no|Grass|6-7|40%|45%|60%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry2|019|Rattata|no|yes|no|Grass|6|10%|15%|30%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry2|019|Rattata|no|no|yes|Grass|6|30%|30%|0%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry2|019|Rattata|no|no|yes|Grass|7|0%|0%|40%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry2|187|Hoppip|yes|yes|no|Grass|6-8|35%|35%|0%|type1=Grass|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|187|Hoppip|no|no|yes|Grass|6-7|15%|15%|0%|type1=Grass|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|021|Spearow|yes|yes|no|Grass|6|20%|20%|0%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|021|Spearow|no|no|yes|Grass|6|30%|30%|0%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Grass|4|5%|0%|0%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|041|Zubat|yes|yes|no|Grass|6-8|0%|0%|40%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|041|Zubat|no|no|yes|Grass|6|0%|0%|40%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|021|Spearow|yes|yes|no|Headbutt|10|all=80%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|021|Spearow|yes|yes|no|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|50%|Special Tree}}|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|163|Hoothoot|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=50%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|214|Heracross|yes|yes|no|Headbutt|10|all={{tt|30%|Special Tree}}|type1=Bug|type2=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry2|190|Aipom|yes|yes|yes|Headbutt|10|all=20%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry2|102|Exeggcute|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=20%|type1=Grass|type2=Psychic}}
{{catch/entry2|165|Ledyba|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=15%|type1=Bug|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry2|167|Spinarak|no|no|yes|Headbutt|10|all=15%|type1=Bug|type2=Poison}}
{{Catch/footer|land}}

===Generation IV===
{{Catch/header|land|yes}}
{{catch/entryhs|023|Ekans|no|yes|Grass|7|all=30%|type1=Poison}}
{{catch/entryhs|019|Rattata|yes|no|Grass|6-7|40%|0%|0%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|019|Rattata|yes|no|Grass|4-7|0%|45%|60%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|019|Rattata|no|yes|Grass|6|10%|0%|0%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|019|Rattata|no|yes|Grass|4-6|0%|15%|30%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|187|Hoppip|yes|yes|Grass|6-8|35%|35%|0%|type1=Grass|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|021|Spearow|yes|yes|Grass|6|20%|20%|0%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Grass|4|5%|0%|0%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|041|Zubat|yes|yes|Grass|4-8|0%|0%|40%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/div|land|Headbutt}}
{{catch/entryhs|021|Spearow|yes|yes|Headbutt|Unknown|all=Unknown|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entryhs|190|Aipom|yes|yes|Headbutt|Unknown|all=Unknown|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entryhs|214|Heracross|yes|yes|Headbutt|Unknown|all=Unknown|type1=Bug|type2=Fighting}}
{{Catch/div|land|Special}}
{{catch/entryhs|311|Plusle|yes|yes|Hoenn|6-7|all=20%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entryhs|312|Minun|yes|yes|Hoenn|6|all=20%|type1=Electric}}
{{catch/entryhs|403|Shinx|yes|yes|Sinnoh|6-7|all=40%|type1=Electric}}
{{Catch/footer|land}}

==Trainers==
===Generation II===
{{trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|GSC_Hiker.png|Hiker|Anthony|352|2|074|Geodude|♂|11|None|066|Machop|♂|11|None|36=ツトム|37=Tsutomu|38=phone}}
{{Trainerfooter|land|II}}

===Generation IV===
{{trainerheader}}
{{Trainerentry|DP Hiker.png|Hiker|Anthony|352|2|074|Geodude|♂|11|None|066|Machop|♂|11|None|36=ツトム|37=Tsutomu|38=phone}}
{{Trainerfooter|land|II}}

==In the anime==
This is most likely the route where [[Ash Ketchum]] caught his {{AP|Cyndaquil}}.

{{Johto}}
{{Project Routes}}

[[Category:Johto locations|Route 033]]
[[Category:Routes|Route 033]]
[[Category:Gold, Silver and Crystal locations|Route 033]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations|Route 033]]

[[de:Route 33]]
[[es:Ruta 33 (Johto)]]
[[fr:Route 33]]
[[ja:33ばんどうろ]]

Talk:Type/Archive 1

2010-11-22T14:45:46Z

Raven-14: /* Difference between Primary and Secondary types */

==The Bird & ??? types==

I added Bird and ??? type to the template. Although they are not really conventional types. I do think they should be included, maybe you should seperate them a little? I really can't get my head round metawiki's silly table formatting code. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 21:26, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Disagree with including Bird, but the ??? I can concur with. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 21:28, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bird should probably be linked to in the [[Glitch]] article then. Can you take it out of the template? I'ld only screw it up. o_o - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 21:31, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm trying, and...well, screwing it up. XD

I think that the Bird type needs to come out of the table and for the ??? to go under the other special types so that the table is symmetrical. It's not really neccessary to make explicit reference to the Bird type in the table if its a type that isn't meant to appear in normal gameplay. Also, the ??? page doesn't exist and should it include the Missingno.s in RSE where they are repesented by the ? enclosed by a circle?

That's weird I had made the ??? page, look in my contributions. Looks like metaiwki doesn't like the question marks... - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 08:40, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

k then what does "The '''(type) type''' is one of the seventeen [[elemental types]]." need to be changed to? Nineteen, eighteen, or leave it? --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 10:11, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Methinks they need to be separated from the main 17 and listed separately... -- [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 10:33, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, the BIRD type has been removed - it only needs to be mentioned in maybe one of the game mechanics pages or in a missingno. article.

I think that the ??? isn't a type to itself - its more a lack of a type. So really ??? shouldn't be classed as a type because it has no defining features like pokemon to represent it, no type weaknesses and resistances and the Curse changes effect with types and does no damage at all.

Curse does indirect damage when used by Ghost-types. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 01:46, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Exactly, '''indirect''' damage. ??? has no effect other than display. Curse could be grass type and still do the exact same thing.
--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 01:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This is minor, but shouldn't the "normal" elements be listed as "physical" elements? Is not that the generally accepted term for the opposite of the special elements?--[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 06:09, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The ??? type DOES have a Pokémon to represent it.*cough*Arceus*cough*--[[User:Frostagin|Frostagin]] 18:51, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Several people here have expressed (to greater or lesser degrees) that they think there should only be said to be a total of 17 types as they believe the ???-type isn't really a type. However, this wiki should really be based more on the fact (as opposed to people's beliefs) and the fact is ??? appears in the type category for pokémon eggs in gen III. It also has a move and Arceus can technically turn into it. Does that not make it a type? What else does it really need?

Therefore, based on all the evidence before us I reckon the page should state there are 18 types to include ???. Does anyone have any problems with that??? [[User:Wikid|Wikid]] 00:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

:Meh, that was from practically a year ago, and it is one of my stupidest edits. And also, to future readers, please don't edit this conversation again, because bumps are bad.if a conversation is more than a month old, then adding would be a bump.Or so I've found through the site.[[User:Frostagin|Frost]][[User talk:Frostagin|agin]] 01:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
== Disambig? ==

Should this be moved to [[Elemental types (game)]], so that the main page can be converted into a disambig for the TCG one? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Even if you do that, it'd still be confusing because they're both games, persey . . . aren't types more often refered to as "Energy Types" in the TCG anyways? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, they are. --Paperfairy [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Paperfairy ☆] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paperfairy ・] 23:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Then should [[Elemental types (TCG)]] move to [[Energy types (TCG)]]? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd say... just "Type (TCG)" seems good enough. That's all it's actually called, anyway. Well, that and "Color." I'd just go with "Type (TCG)." -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 01:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, most just call the GB types types... --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

== Added a little known fact ==

Ah yes, it appears this fact I added is not very widely known, so I figured I'd post a little comment to let everyone know I'm not making this up. ^__^

I was randomly paging through my Pokemon Gold/Silver Player's Guide: the official one released by Nintendo, it has this really cool drawing of Lugia and Ho-oh on the cover and- I digress. Anyway, on the last page it features the type chart, with next to it some explanation about attack damage multipliers. Among the obvious ones about effectiveness of the types, it also mentioned "Damage x 1.5 when the attack type is the same type as the Pokemon that's using it".

Since this is the official guide, I do assume this is indeed a confirmed fact for the Gold and Silver series; it'll likely also work in Crystal. I proceeded to test said finding in Ruby and Fire Red and found that it applied there too. For reference, in Ruby I used the example stated in the paragraph I added with the Aron. In Fire Red I used an Ekans with the Poison Sting and Wrap attacks.

Still requiring confirmation:
Japanese versions of the games
Original Red/Blue series
New Diamond and Pearl editions
Spinoffs such as Mystery Dungeon

I'll leave that spot of research to the real Pokémaniacs. (read: I'll leave checking this to the ones who DO own and/or can afford said games. ^__^;; )

--[[User:Democalypse|Democalypse]] 18:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Items such as Metal Coat and Charcoal now boost moves of their designated type by 20%, an increase from the previous 10%. --[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 13:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

That Damage x 1.5 thing is known among the fandom as [[STAB]], Same-Type Attack Bonus. If it wasn't in there already... I dunno why not.

And the Hold Item boost thing's now 20%? Is that as of DP? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I remembered that term for it just now, thanks for editing it into the text. ^__^ Haven't come across it a lot though; because of that I was mistaken into thinking it was a less known feature. =S My apologies for the sillyness. ^^;

--[[User:Democalypse|Democalypse]] 23:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Nah, it's cool. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, as of D/P the type-specific items boost 20% instead of 10%. Makes them somewhat worthwhile on heavey hitters. --[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 14:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

== Singular over plural? ==

We do it with [[Plate]] and others, why's this still plural? '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
:Year-and-a-half-old bump. Any reason not to move it? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 23:07, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

== A possible idea for dual types ==

Instead of making seperate lists for "Primary (type)-type Pokémon" and "Secondary (type)-type Pokémon", how about we have just one list? For example, with Normal, it'd be like this:

{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
! Sprite
! Name
! colspan="2" | Types
|-
|016
|[[Image:016MS.gif]]
|{{p|Pidgey}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|017
|[[Image:017MS.gif]]
|{{p|Pidgeotto}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|018
|[[Image:018MS.gif]]
|{{p|Pidgeot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|021
|[[Image:021MS.gif]]
|{{p|Spearow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|022
|[[Image:022MS.gif]]
|{{p|Fearow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|083
|[[Image:083MS.gif]]
|{{p|Farfetch'd}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|084
|[[Image:084MS.gif]]
|{{p|Doduo}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|085
|[[Image:085MS.gif]]
|{{p|Dodrio}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|163
|[[Image:163MS.gif]]
|{{p|Hoothoot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|164
|[[Image:164MS.gif]]
|{{p|Noctowl}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|176
|[[Image:176MS.gif]]
|{{p|Togetic}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|203
|[[Image:203MS.gif]]
|{{p|Girafarig}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|276
|[[Image:276MS.gif]]
|{{p|Taillow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|277
|[[Image:277MS.gif]]
|{{p|Swellow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|333
|[[Image:333MS.gif]]
|{{p|Swablu}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|396
|[[Image:396MS.gif]]
|{{p|Starly}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|397
|[[Image:397MS.gif]]
|{{p|Staravia}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|398
|[[Image:398MS.gif]]
|{{p|Staraptor}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|400
|[[Image:400MS.gif]]
|{{p|Bibarel}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|441
|[[Image:441MS.png]]
|{{p|Chatot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|468
|[[Image:468MS.png]]
|{{p|Togekiss}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|}

Currently, it's like this:

''Primary Normal-type Pokémon''

{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
! Sprite
! Name
! colspan="2" | Types
|-
|016
|[[Image:016MS.gif]]
|{{p|Pidgey}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|017
|[[Image:017MS.gif]]
|{{p|Pidgeotto}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|018
|[[Image:018MS.gif]]
|{{p|Pidgeot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|021
|[[Image:021MS.gif]]
|{{p|Spearow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|022
|[[Image:022MS.gif]]
|{{p|Fearow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|083
|[[Image:083MS.gif]]
|{{p|Farfetch'd}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|084
|[[Image:084MS.gif]]
|{{p|Doduo}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|085
|[[Image:085MS.gif]]
|{{p|Dodrio}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|163
|[[Image:163MS.gif]]
|{{p|Hoothoot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|164
|[[Image:164MS.gif]]
|{{p|Noctowl}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|176
|[[Image:176MS.gif]]
|{{p|Togetic}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|203
|[[Image:203MS.gif]]
|{{p|Girafarig}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|276
|[[Image:276MS.gif]]
|{{p|Taillow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|277
|[[Image:277MS.gif]]
|{{p|Swellow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|333
|[[Image:333MS.gif]]
|{{p|Swablu}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|396
|[[Image:396MS.gif]]
|{{p|Starly}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|397
|[[Image:397MS.gif]]
|{{p|Staravia}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|398
|[[Image:398MS.gif]]
|{{p|Staraptor}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|400
|[[Image:400MS.gif]]
|{{p|Bibarel}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|441
|[[Image:441MS.png]]
|{{p|Chatot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|468
|[[Image:468MS.png]]
|{{p|Togekiss}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|}

''Secondary Normal-type Pokémon''

None.

We could also adjust it for the types that ''do'' have secondary Pokémon of that type. For example, it'd be like this for Fighting:

{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
! Sprite
! Name
! colspan="2" | Types
|-
|062
|[[Image:062MS.gif]]
|{{p|Poliwrath}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|214
|[[Image:214MS.gif]]
|{{p|Heracross}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|256
|[[Image:256MS.gif]]
|{{p|Combusken}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|257
|[[Image:257MS.gif]]
|{{p|Blaziken}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|286
|[[Image:286MS.gif]]
|{{p|Breloom}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|307
|[[Image:307MS.gif]]
|{{p|Meditite}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|308
|[[Image:308MS.gif]]
|{{p|Medicham}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|391
|[[Image:391MS.gif]]
|{{p|Monferno}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|392
|[[Image:392MS.gif]]
|{{p|Infernape}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|448
|[[Image:448MS.png]]
|{{p|Lucario}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|-
|453
|[[Image:453MS.png]]
|{{p|Croagunk}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|454
|[[Image:454MS.png]]
|{{p|Toxicroak}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|475
|[[Image:475MS.png]]
|{{p|Gallade}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|}

Currently, it's like this:

''Primary Fighting-type Pokémon''
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
!
! Name
! Type 1
! Type 2
|-
|307
|[[Image:307MS.gif]]
|{{p|Meditite}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|308
|[[Image:308MS.gif]]
|{{p|Medicham}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|448
|[[Image:448MS.png]]
|{{p|Lucario}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|}

''Secondary Fighting-type Pokémon''
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
!
! Name
! Type 1
! Type 2
|-
|062
|[[Image:062MS.gif]]
|{{p|Poliwrath}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|214
|[[Image:214MS.gif]]
|{{p|Heracross}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|256
|[[Image:256MS.gif]]
|{{p|Combusken}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|257
|[[Image:257MS.gif]]
|{{p|Blaziken}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|286
|[[Image:286MS.gif]]
|{{p|Breloom}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|391
|[[Image:391MS.gif]]
|{{p|Monferno}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|392
|[[Image:392MS.gif]]
|{{p|Infernape}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|453
|[[Image:453MS.png]]
|{{p|Croagunk}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|454
|[[Image:454MS.png]]
|{{p|Toxicroak}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|475
|[[Image:475MS.png]]
|{{p|Gallade}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|}

I think my version is much better, because it saves us the time of making 2 lists for dual types, while still allowing people to see the primaries and secondaries. Discuss. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 22:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
:If there are no oppositions by tomorrow, I'll apply this new format to the type pages. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 01:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
::See, you say this'll "save us the time of making two tables," but the tables are made. Doing this will only take more time.
::At any rate, I can't see any real advantage to doing it... why do you think it's a good idea? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 01:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Because it saves ''the reader'' the time of ''looking at'' two tables for dual types. We can easily fit all the information into one. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 01:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Indeed. And also saves time for adding new Pokémon for the next Gen. And unless there's any actual difference between being Primary- and Secondary-typed, I vote for merging. Heck, ''I'' would gladly do that! =D -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 22:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Stat averages ==

I was thinking we should list the stat averages of not only all Pokémon of the type, but also all fully evolved Pokémon of the type. Does anyone else think we should do this?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Giga Hand|Giga Hand]] ([[User talk:Giga Hand|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Giga Hand|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Actually, that's a good idea. Care to calculate this? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

== Secondary/Primary ==

I think it deserves its own section: is there any actual difference, game-wise, if the Pokémon is primary-typed or secondary-typed? I fail to see any... -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 22:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

:We at Poképédia are actually discussing on that matter on the IRC-chan : what's the big difference between Lapras being Water-Ice and Spheal being Ice-Water ? Did Game Freak put the types "randomly" (wich I doubt, as we could almost rename these guys "Stats-Freaks" considering their evergrowing work on the series...) ? If anyone could bring some answer to that deep mystery, it would greatly be appreciated --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 23:18, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::The order matters for the data, as in, it's ''wrong'' to call Lapras an Ice/Water Pokémon, but there's no difference in STAB or weaknesses as far as I've seen. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== 2 things ==

1.) This page is starting to look like a project's talk page. Would it be a bad idea to make a Bulbapedia project on the elemental types?

2.) Do we have pages for each type that list all the moves of that type. If we don't, it would be a good idea to start that.

--[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]7 16:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Nvm about #2. He he --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]7 21:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, it would be. There are 17 articles to cover, not including the glitch articles which are covered by GlitchDex anyway. There is no need for a project with such small a scope. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

== Non-damaging moves ==

Is it REALLY necessary to have a cat that states it's Status? I mean, they're all the same... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:Do you mean {{cat|Status moves|this}}? We have {{cat|Physical moves|this}} and {{cat|Special moves|this}}, so it makes sense to have one for status moves. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:32, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, sorry. I didn't mean category. I mean column. Under the Status section of a move type such as [[Flying (type)#Moves|this]] under the non-damaging moves section, there is a list of moves that have the status category. Isn't that implied that these moves are of the Status category? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Hrm. Yeah, it would be. I like having them separated; it makes searching easier. I wouldn't be opposed to mashing them together, though, or perhaps doing three subsections for each category. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== Index numbers ==

What are the index numbers for the types?--[[User:Stuart P. Bentley|Stuart P. Bentley]] 19:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:In the order they are on the template, as far as I know. Go down the first column, the down the second. Don't count ???, I think that's last. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:29, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

== All the Combinations ==

This is mostly for reference in this talk page, and doesn't directly assist the actual page, but it is important information nevertheless.

Eventually we are going to get close to having every type combination covered. So, here's some information.

With the current amount types, there is a total of 272 + 17 different type combinations (counting Ground/Dragon Flygon and Dragon/Ground Garchomp as separate). If we are to ignore these duplications, there is only 136 + 17.

I won't list them all here (for sake of space!) but I think this is important. Do we have a page with all the possible type combinations yet?

BTW - The math used for this kind of thing is called a permutation. -- [[user:Pokémaniac John|PokémaniacJohn]] [[user talk:Pokémaniac John|(talk)]] 21:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:I like this, so I added it to the page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Origin of type match-ups ==

"Why are Bug-type moves super-effective towards Psychic-types?"
"Why is it that Steel-type moves don't do as much against Water-types?"

I'm sure many, many people wonder this. As a Wikia, it's our job to educate the public, so I think that each type-page should have its section of why its match-ups are what it is. I'd imagine it'd work nicely being set up like this in the Grass-type page:

==Type Match-up Origins==
===Offensive===
====Super-effective====
*''Plants'' often spread their root system throughout the ''ground''.
*In some cases, ''weeds'' will be able to grow through the thin layers of concrete or ''stones'', despite their density. Moss is also commonly found on rocks, completely covering them up.
*''Grass'' is known to absorb large amounts of ''rainwater'' and manage to stay healthy. To add, water is actually needed in the process of photosynthesis, and some plants can even live underwater.

====Not very effective====
*Very few ''plants'' manage to prey on ''insects'' or hinder the mobility of bugs, due to their habits of eating plants.
*Certain ''reptilian'' animals aren't at disadvantages when in their respective ''plant-filled'' environments.
**[[Dragon-type]]s are often considered to be reptilian in nature.
*Since ''plants'' create oxygen, ''flames'' are only stronger when around grassy and forest areas.
*Aside from several poisonous ''plants'', no known type of plant can actually hurt ''birds''. To add, birds often make nests inside of trees or on their branches.
**Birds are usually associated with [[Flying-type]]s.
*''Trees'' cannot be planted too close to eachother, or else their roots will absorb too much of the liquid in the ground, and therefore wilt.
**Explanation of why Grass-type moves are not very effective towards Grass-types.
*''Plant-life'' not not often found in ''noxious'' environments.
*Regardless of the strength of the ''plant'', roots cannot penetrate plates of ''steel''.

===Defensive===
====Resistances====
*''Wood'' is known to be nonconducting to ''electricity''.
*''Plants'' cannot move on their own, and therefore cannot attack other ''plants''.
**Explanation as to why Grass-types resist Grass-type attacks.
*Regardless if the ''ground'' is wet or dry, or hard or soft, ''plant-life'' can always grow if in the right climate conditions.
*''Rain'', if not acidic and in average amounts, cannot kill fields of grass.

====Weaknesses====
*''Insects'' often eat ''leaves'' and other plants in their diets.
*''Fire'' is stronger when provided with oxygen, which is exactly what ''flowers'' provide.
*''Birds'', such as crows, will often attack farm ''crops'' for food, often destroying said crops.
*''Cold'' environments are often unsuitable for ''plants'' to grow. Flowers will wilt and trees will lose their leaves in Winter.
*''Pesticides'', weed-killers, and other toxins, will poison and kill ''plants'' if not used in a proper manner.
:We aren't a Wikia. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::Well, even then, the Bublapedia name suggests the same thing, though. [[User:Frushil!|Frushil!]] 03:05, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't really get what you're trying to say. Anyway, it's all speculation, so no, that is not getting added to any articles. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::::One can just as easily say that the origin and name origin sections of Pokemon articles are speculation as well. There is reason behind many of the type match ups, so it should be added, even if it's just to cover a few of the match-up reasonings.

Of course, you having more authority than me, I accept your decision knowing that my opinion doesn't make much of a difference anyway. [[User:Frushil!|Frushil!]] 03:33, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Difference between Primary and Secondary types ==

I'm not 100% sure about what I'm about to say because I haven't confirmed it with the whole Pokémon list, but I'm bringing it here so others may comment.

I believe the only difference between Primary and Secondary types is mostly due to the basics of the Pokémon in question: Primary type is what it will always be, while Secondary type may change.

Example: Surskit is a Bug/Water type. It will always be a Bug, even after evolution, but as it evolves it's Secondary type no longer applies.

This would also explain why Flying types are always secondary, as they are only "flying" when in flight. Otherwise, when on land, they are simply what their Primary-type defines (Pidgeys are Normal, Zapdos is Electric, and so on).

I believe the games assume Flying-type Pokémon are always airborne when in battle, but it would be interesting to see if, in future generations, they add the option to tell a flying Pokémon to land, hence "losing" its Flying-type temporarily (for strategic reasons).

Anyway, this is just a theory. If I missed any evidence of it being otherwise, let me know :)

EDIT: Actually, I just noticed that there ARE some exceptions, where it's the Primary-type that changes in evolution, but so far that only seems to happen when you use an unusual form of evolution (like Onix losing its Rock-type into Steel-type when trading it with a particular item). This seems to hint that both types can change, but the Primary-type refers to the nature of the Pokémon (harder to change), while the Secondary-type is mostly a complementary part of its existence.

[[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] 12:38, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Type/Archive 1

2010-11-22T12:38:43Z

Raven-14: /* Difference between Primary and Secondary types */ new section

==The Bird & ??? types==

I added Bird and ??? type to the template. Although they are not really conventional types. I do think they should be included, maybe you should seperate them a little? I really can't get my head round metawiki's silly table formatting code. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 21:26, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Disagree with including Bird, but the ??? I can concur with. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 21:28, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bird should probably be linked to in the [[Glitch]] article then. Can you take it out of the template? I'ld only screw it up. o_o - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 21:31, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm trying, and...well, screwing it up. XD

I think that the Bird type needs to come out of the table and for the ??? to go under the other special types so that the table is symmetrical. It's not really neccessary to make explicit reference to the Bird type in the table if its a type that isn't meant to appear in normal gameplay. Also, the ??? page doesn't exist and should it include the Missingno.s in RSE where they are repesented by the ? enclosed by a circle?

That's weird I had made the ??? page, look in my contributions. Looks like metaiwki doesn't like the question marks... - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 08:40, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

k then what does "The '''(type) type''' is one of the seventeen [[elemental types]]." need to be changed to? Nineteen, eighteen, or leave it? --[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 10:11, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Methinks they need to be separated from the main 17 and listed separately... -- [[User:Zhen Lin|刘 (劉) 振霖]] 10:33, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, the BIRD type has been removed - it only needs to be mentioned in maybe one of the game mechanics pages or in a missingno. article.

I think that the ??? isn't a type to itself - its more a lack of a type. So really ??? shouldn't be classed as a type because it has no defining features like pokemon to represent it, no type weaknesses and resistances and the Curse changes effect with types and does no damage at all.

Curse does indirect damage when used by Ghost-types. [[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 01:46, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Exactly, '''indirect''' damage. ??? has no effect other than display. Curse could be grass type and still do the exact same thing.
--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 01:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This is minor, but shouldn't the "normal" elements be listed as "physical" elements? Is not that the generally accepted term for the opposite of the special elements?--[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 06:09, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The ??? type DOES have a Pokémon to represent it.*cough*Arceus*cough*--[[User:Frostagin|Frostagin]] 18:51, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Several people here have expressed (to greater or lesser degrees) that they think there should only be said to be a total of 17 types as they believe the ???-type isn't really a type. However, this wiki should really be based more on the fact (as opposed to people's beliefs) and the fact is ??? appears in the type category for pokémon eggs in gen III. It also has a move and Arceus can technically turn into it. Does that not make it a type? What else does it really need?

Therefore, based on all the evidence before us I reckon the page should state there are 18 types to include ???. Does anyone have any problems with that??? [[User:Wikid|Wikid]] 00:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

:Meh, that was from practically a year ago, and it is one of my stupidest edits. And also, to future readers, please don't edit this conversation again, because bumps are bad.if a conversation is more than a month old, then adding would be a bump.Or so I've found through the site.[[User:Frostagin|Frost]][[User talk:Frostagin|agin]] 01:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
== Disambig? ==

Should this be moved to [[Elemental types (game)]], so that the main page can be converted into a disambig for the TCG one? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 21:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Even if you do that, it'd still be confusing because they're both games, persey . . . aren't types more often refered to as "Energy Types" in the TCG anyways? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, they are. --Paperfairy [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Paperfairy ☆] [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paperfairy ・] 23:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Then should [[Elemental types (TCG)]] move to [[Energy types (TCG)]]? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd say... just "Type (TCG)" seems good enough. That's all it's actually called, anyway. Well, that and "Color." I'd just go with "Type (TCG)." -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 01:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, most just call the GB types types... --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

== Added a little known fact ==

Ah yes, it appears this fact I added is not very widely known, so I figured I'd post a little comment to let everyone know I'm not making this up. ^__^

I was randomly paging through my Pokemon Gold/Silver Player's Guide: the official one released by Nintendo, it has this really cool drawing of Lugia and Ho-oh on the cover and- I digress. Anyway, on the last page it features the type chart, with next to it some explanation about attack damage multipliers. Among the obvious ones about effectiveness of the types, it also mentioned "Damage x 1.5 when the attack type is the same type as the Pokemon that's using it".

Since this is the official guide, I do assume this is indeed a confirmed fact for the Gold and Silver series; it'll likely also work in Crystal. I proceeded to test said finding in Ruby and Fire Red and found that it applied there too. For reference, in Ruby I used the example stated in the paragraph I added with the Aron. In Fire Red I used an Ekans with the Poison Sting and Wrap attacks.

Still requiring confirmation:
Japanese versions of the games
Original Red/Blue series
New Diamond and Pearl editions
Spinoffs such as Mystery Dungeon

I'll leave that spot of research to the real Pokémaniacs. (read: I'll leave checking this to the ones who DO own and/or can afford said games. ^__^;; )

--[[User:Democalypse|Democalypse]] 18:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Items such as Metal Coat and Charcoal now boost moves of their designated type by 20%, an increase from the previous 10%. --[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 13:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

That Damage x 1.5 thing is known among the fandom as [[STAB]], Same-Type Attack Bonus. If it wasn't in there already... I dunno why not.

And the Hold Item boost thing's now 20%? Is that as of DP? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 17:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I remembered that term for it just now, thanks for editing it into the text. ^__^ Haven't come across it a lot though; because of that I was mistaken into thinking it was a less known feature. =S My apologies for the sillyness. ^^;

--[[User:Democalypse|Democalypse]] 23:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Nah, it's cool. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 23:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, as of D/P the type-specific items boost 20% instead of 10%. Makes them somewhat worthwhile on heavey hitters. --[[User:ANinyMouse|ANinyMouse]] 14:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

== Singular over plural? ==

We do it with [[Plate]] and others, why's this still plural? '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
:Year-and-a-half-old bump. Any reason not to move it? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 23:07, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

== A possible idea for dual types ==

Instead of making seperate lists for "Primary (type)-type Pokémon" and "Secondary (type)-type Pokémon", how about we have just one list? For example, with Normal, it'd be like this:

{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
! Sprite
! Name
! colspan="2" | Types
|-
|016
|[[Image:016MS.gif]]
|{{p|Pidgey}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|017
|[[Image:017MS.gif]]
|{{p|Pidgeotto}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|018
|[[Image:018MS.gif]]
|{{p|Pidgeot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|021
|[[Image:021MS.gif]]
|{{p|Spearow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|022
|[[Image:022MS.gif]]
|{{p|Fearow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|083
|[[Image:083MS.gif]]
|{{p|Farfetch'd}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|084
|[[Image:084MS.gif]]
|{{p|Doduo}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|085
|[[Image:085MS.gif]]
|{{p|Dodrio}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|163
|[[Image:163MS.gif]]
|{{p|Hoothoot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|164
|[[Image:164MS.gif]]
|{{p|Noctowl}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|176
|[[Image:176MS.gif]]
|{{p|Togetic}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|203
|[[Image:203MS.gif]]
|{{p|Girafarig}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|276
|[[Image:276MS.gif]]
|{{p|Taillow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|277
|[[Image:277MS.gif]]
|{{p|Swellow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|333
|[[Image:333MS.gif]]
|{{p|Swablu}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|396
|[[Image:396MS.gif]]
|{{p|Starly}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|397
|[[Image:397MS.gif]]
|{{p|Staravia}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|398
|[[Image:398MS.gif]]
|{{p|Staraptor}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|400
|[[Image:400MS.gif]]
|{{p|Bibarel}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|441
|[[Image:441MS.png]]
|{{p|Chatot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|468
|[[Image:468MS.png]]
|{{p|Togekiss}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|}

Currently, it's like this:

''Primary Normal-type Pokémon''

{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
! Sprite
! Name
! colspan="2" | Types
|-
|016
|[[Image:016MS.gif]]
|{{p|Pidgey}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|017
|[[Image:017MS.gif]]
|{{p|Pidgeotto}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|018
|[[Image:018MS.gif]]
|{{p|Pidgeot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|021
|[[Image:021MS.gif]]
|{{p|Spearow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|022
|[[Image:022MS.gif]]
|{{p|Fearow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|083
|[[Image:083MS.gif]]
|{{p|Farfetch'd}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|084
|[[Image:084MS.gif]]
|{{p|Doduo}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|085
|[[Image:085MS.gif]]
|{{p|Dodrio}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|163
|[[Image:163MS.gif]]
|{{p|Hoothoot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|164
|[[Image:164MS.gif]]
|{{p|Noctowl}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|176
|[[Image:176MS.gif]]
|{{p|Togetic}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|203
|[[Image:203MS.gif]]
|{{p|Girafarig}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|276
|[[Image:276MS.gif]]
|{{p|Taillow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|277
|[[Image:277MS.gif]]
|{{p|Swellow}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|333
|[[Image:333MS.gif]]
|{{p|Swablu}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|396
|[[Image:396MS.gif]]
|{{p|Starly}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|397
|[[Image:397MS.gif]]
|{{p|Staravia}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|398
|[[Image:398MS.gif]]
|{{p|Staraptor}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|400
|[[Image:400MS.gif]]
|{{p|Bibarel}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|441
|[[Image:441MS.png]]
|{{p|Chatot}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|468
|[[Image:468MS.png]]
|{{p|Togekiss}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|}

''Secondary Normal-type Pokémon''

None.

We could also adjust it for the types that ''do'' have secondary Pokémon of that type. For example, it'd be like this for Fighting:

{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
! Sprite
! Name
! colspan="2" | Types
|-
|062
|[[Image:062MS.gif]]
|{{p|Poliwrath}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|214
|[[Image:214MS.gif]]
|{{p|Heracross}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|256
|[[Image:256MS.gif]]
|{{p|Combusken}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|257
|[[Image:257MS.gif]]
|{{p|Blaziken}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|286
|[[Image:286MS.gif]]
|{{p|Breloom}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|307
|[[Image:307MS.gif]]
|{{p|Meditite}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|308
|[[Image:308MS.gif]]
|{{p|Medicham}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|391
|[[Image:391MS.gif]]
|{{p|Monferno}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|392
|[[Image:392MS.gif]]
|{{p|Infernape}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|448
|[[Image:448MS.png]]
|{{p|Lucario}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|-
|453
|[[Image:453MS.png]]
|{{p|Croagunk}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|454
|[[Image:454MS.png]]
|{{p|Toxicroak}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|475
|[[Image:475MS.png]]
|{{p|Gallade}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|}

Currently, it's like this:

''Primary Fighting-type Pokémon''
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
!
! Name
! Type 1
! Type 2
|-
|307
|[[Image:307MS.gif]]
|{{p|Meditite}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|308
|[[Image:308MS.gif]]
|{{p|Medicham}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
|-
|448
|[[Image:448MS.png]]
|{{p|Lucario}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|}

''Secondary Fighting-type Pokémon''
{| {{Bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
!
! Name
! Type 1
! Type 2
|-
|062
|[[Image:062MS.gif]]
|{{p|Poliwrath}}
{{typetable|Water}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|214
|[[Image:214MS.gif]]
|{{p|Heracross}}
{{typetable|Bug}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|256
|[[Image:256MS.gif]]
|{{p|Combusken}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|257
|[[Image:257MS.gif]]
|{{p|Blaziken}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|286
|[[Image:286MS.gif]]
|{{p|Breloom}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|391
|[[Image:391MS.gif]]
|{{p|Monferno}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|392
|[[Image:392MS.gif]]
|{{p|Infernape}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|453
|[[Image:453MS.png]]
|{{p|Croagunk}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|454
|[[Image:454MS.png]]
|{{p|Toxicroak}}
{{typetable|Poison}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|-
|475
|[[Image:475MS.png]]
|{{p|Gallade}}
{{typetable|Psychic}}
{{typetable|Fighting}}
|}

I think my version is much better, because it saves us the time of making 2 lists for dual types, while still allowing people to see the primaries and secondaries. Discuss. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 22:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
:If there are no oppositions by tomorrow, I'll apply this new format to the type pages. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 01:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
::See, you say this'll "save us the time of making two tables," but the tables are made. Doing this will only take more time.
::At any rate, I can't see any real advantage to doing it... why do you think it's a good idea? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 01:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Because it saves ''the reader'' the time of ''looking at'' two tables for dual types. We can easily fit all the information into one. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 01:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Indeed. And also saves time for adding new Pokémon for the next Gen. And unless there's any actual difference between being Primary- and Secondary-typed, I vote for merging. Heck, ''I'' would gladly do that! =D -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 22:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Stat averages ==

I was thinking we should list the stat averages of not only all Pokémon of the type, but also all fully evolved Pokémon of the type. Does anyone else think we should do this?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Giga Hand|Giga Hand]] ([[User talk:Giga Hand|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Giga Hand|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Actually, that's a good idea. Care to calculate this? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

== Secondary/Primary ==

I think it deserves its own section: is there any actual difference, game-wise, if the Pokémon is primary-typed or secondary-typed? I fail to see any... -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 22:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

:We at Poképédia are actually discussing on that matter on the IRC-chan : what's the big difference between Lapras being Water-Ice and Spheal being Ice-Water ? Did Game Freak put the types "randomly" (wich I doubt, as we could almost rename these guys "Stats-Freaks" considering their evergrowing work on the series...) ? If anyone could bring some answer to that deep mystery, it would greatly be appreciated --[[User:InvocK|InvocK]] 23:18, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::The order matters for the data, as in, it's ''wrong'' to call Lapras an Ice/Water Pokémon, but there's no difference in STAB or weaknesses as far as I've seen. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== 2 things ==

1.) This page is starting to look like a project's talk page. Would it be a bad idea to make a Bulbapedia project on the elemental types?

2.) Do we have pages for each type that list all the moves of that type. If we don't, it would be a good idea to start that.

--[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]7 16:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Nvm about #2. He he --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]7 21:13, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, it would be. There are 17 articles to cover, not including the glitch articles which are covered by GlitchDex anyway. There is no need for a project with such small a scope. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:33, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

== Non-damaging moves ==

Is it REALLY necessary to have a cat that states it's Status? I mean, they're all the same... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:Do you mean {{cat|Status moves|this}}? We have {{cat|Physical moves|this}} and {{cat|Special moves|this}}, so it makes sense to have one for status moves. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:32, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, sorry. I didn't mean category. I mean column. Under the Status section of a move type such as [[Flying (type)#Moves|this]] under the non-damaging moves section, there is a list of moves that have the status category. Isn't that implied that these moves are of the Status category? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Hrm. Yeah, it would be. I like having them separated; it makes searching easier. I wouldn't be opposed to mashing them together, though, or perhaps doing three subsections for each category. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== Index numbers ==

What are the index numbers for the types?--[[User:Stuart P. Bentley|Stuart P. Bentley]] 19:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:In the order they are on the template, as far as I know. Go down the first column, the down the second. Don't count ???, I think that's last. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:29, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

== All the Combinations ==

This is mostly for reference in this talk page, and doesn't directly assist the actual page, but it is important information nevertheless.

Eventually we are going to get close to having every type combination covered. So, here's some information.

With the current amount types, there is a total of 272 + 17 different type combinations (counting Ground/Dragon Flygon and Dragon/Ground Garchomp as separate). If we are to ignore these duplications, there is only 136 + 17.

I won't list them all here (for sake of space!) but I think this is important. Do we have a page with all the possible type combinations yet?

BTW - The math used for this kind of thing is called a permutation. -- [[user:Pokémaniac John|PokémaniacJohn]] [[user talk:Pokémaniac John|(talk)]] 21:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:I like this, so I added it to the page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Origin of type match-ups ==

"Why are Bug-type moves super-effective towards Psychic-types?"
"Why is it that Steel-type moves don't do as much against Water-types?"

I'm sure many, many people wonder this. As a Wikia, it's our job to educate the public, so I think that each type-page should have its section of why its match-ups are what it is. I'd imagine it'd work nicely being set up like this in the Grass-type page:

==Type Match-up Origins==
===Offensive===
====Super-effective====
*''Plants'' often spread their root system throughout the ''ground''.
*In some cases, ''weeds'' will be able to grow through the thin layers of concrete or ''stones'', despite their density. Moss is also commonly found on rocks, completely covering them up.
*''Grass'' is known to absorb large amounts of ''rainwater'' and manage to stay healthy. To add, water is actually needed in the process of photosynthesis, and some plants can even live underwater.

====Not very effective====
*Very few ''plants'' manage to prey on ''insects'' or hinder the mobility of bugs, due to their habits of eating plants.
*Certain ''reptilian'' animals aren't at disadvantages when in their respective ''plant-filled'' environments.
**[[Dragon-type]]s are often considered to be reptilian in nature.
*Since ''plants'' create oxygen, ''flames'' are only stronger when around grassy and forest areas.
*Aside from several poisonous ''plants'', no known type of plant can actually hurt ''birds''. To add, birds often make nests inside of trees or on their branches.
**Birds are usually associated with [[Flying-type]]s.
*''Trees'' cannot be planted too close to eachother, or else their roots will absorb too much of the liquid in the ground, and therefore wilt.
**Explanation of why Grass-type moves are not very effective towards Grass-types.
*''Plant-life'' not not often found in ''noxious'' environments.
*Regardless of the strength of the ''plant'', roots cannot penetrate plates of ''steel''.

===Defensive===
====Resistances====
*''Wood'' is known to be nonconducting to ''electricity''.
*''Plants'' cannot move on their own, and therefore cannot attack other ''plants''.
**Explanation as to why Grass-types resist Grass-type attacks.
*Regardless if the ''ground'' is wet or dry, or hard or soft, ''plant-life'' can always grow if in the right climate conditions.
*''Rain'', if not acidic and in average amounts, cannot kill fields of grass.

====Weaknesses====
*''Insects'' often eat ''leaves'' and other plants in their diets.
*''Fire'' is stronger when provided with oxygen, which is exactly what ''flowers'' provide.
*''Birds'', such as crows, will often attack farm ''crops'' for food, often destroying said crops.
*''Cold'' environments are often unsuitable for ''plants'' to grow. Flowers will wilt and trees will lose their leaves in Winter.
*''Pesticides'', weed-killers, and other toxins, will poison and kill ''plants'' if not used in a proper manner.
:We aren't a Wikia. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::Well, even then, the Bublapedia name suggests the same thing, though. [[User:Frushil!|Frushil!]] 03:05, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't really get what you're trying to say. Anyway, it's all speculation, so no, that is not getting added to any articles. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
::::One can just as easily say that the origin and name origin sections of Pokemon articles are speculation as well. There is reason behind many of the type match ups, so it should be added, even if it's just to cover a few of the match-up reasonings.

Of course, you having more authority than me, I accept your decision knowing that my opinion doesn't make much of a difference anyway. [[User:Frushil!|Frushil!]] 03:33, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Difference between Primary and Secondary types ==

I'm not 100% sure about what I'm about to say because I haven't confirmed it with the whole pokemon list, but I'm bringing it here so others may comment.

I believe the only difference between Primary and Secondary types is mostly due to the basics of the Pokémon in question: Primary type is what it will always be, while Secondary type may change.

Example: Surskit is a Bug/Water type. It will always be a Bug, even after evolution, but as it evolves it's Secondary type no longer applies.

This would also explain why Flying types are always secondary, as they are only "flying" when in flight. Otherwise, when on land, they are simply what their Primary-type defines (Pidgeys are Normal, Zapdos is Electric, and so on).

I believe the games assume Flying-type pokemon are always airborne when in battle, but it would be interesting to see if, in future generations, they add the option to tell a flying Pokémon to land, hence "losing" its Flying-type temporarily (for strategic reasons).

Anyway, this is just a theory. If I missed any evidence of it being otherwise, let me know :)

[[User:Raven-14|Raven-14]] 12:38, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Johto Route 33

2010-11-21T15:58:48Z

Raven-14: /* Aipom in Crystal */ new section

==Image==
Okay, the image here is wack. It does not show the southern boundary (from my recollection, a wall of trees), and it doesn't show the location of the berry tree. That's on top of the fact that it's a Gen. II image when the route's been in a Gen. IV game. I understand that the tireless users who rip maps from the game probably have a thousand more important things to do right now, so I'm just making sure the issue is known, so they can get to it in due time. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:31, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Aipom in Crystal ==

I'm playing Pokémon Crystal right now, and have used Headbutt in those two trees in route 33... Aipom's are falling like crazy. However, Heracross is nowhere to be found and I've tried over twenty headbutts so far. I have a feeling the Pokémon availability in this page is wrong, it should be 30% for Aipom and 0% for Heracross (unless I find one later).

I'm not sure how people figure out these percentages, but I'd like to ask other people to confirm their experience here on Route 33. Thanks.