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Talk:Legendary beasts

2015-01-30T22:40:44Z

RandomDSdevel: Created a section for the discussion which was originally misplaced in this talk page's header.

== Origin Speculation ==

Some accounts I have heard simply state that Raikou, Entei and Suicune were, after their immolation, simply resurrected, not reincarnated. If that's the case, then they were Entei, Suicune and Raikou BEFORE the disaster, and so not CREATED by Ho-Oh - just related to him by the ordeal of these three individuals. I have no citation, so I did not add this to the article. [[User:SixthFlyingMan|SixthFlyingMan]] 09:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

:Meh, speculation is speculation. Can't do much with it. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 15:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

::This and the Eeveelutions as their original forms are contradictions to what is told about them. ::Because Ho-oh embodied them with the 3 events that happened and therefore they are now of the types Electric, Fire and Water.
::A more logical theory however is that they were unevolved Eevees. There's even some information backing up this:
::-Eevees evolve into Eeveelutions of the element they are exposed too (limited to the beasts types) and Ho-oh gave them an "overdose" of those elements by embodying them with these from the events (they are even statwise comparable).
::-the other thing is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8t8Ly0hfXY
::There are 3 Sages, the protectors of the Tin Tower, in Crystal and they use 1 of just those 3 Eeveelutions in battle. One could assume there have been eeveetrainers, protectors of the Brass Tower once, whose the Eevees that died could have been. --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 09:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

== Dogs or Cats ==

I think that personally the beasts deserve to be called dogs more simple because each of them bears a resemblance to a dog, Suicune I think is the most because of his face and body shape. Raikou defeneatly has a canine body but a more cat looking face with it's teeth making him look like a saber tooth tiger. Entei looks about the most cat like I think it looks like a giant cat or lion kind of thing.

Calling them the legendary dogs is not really a correct term and is more of just an opinion. in my opinion, i like the idea of legendary cats better, but calling them the legendary beasts is more of a correct and collective term. Raikou in no way looks like a canine. Suicune has a lean canine body but has small cat feet, and Entei has a dog body but has a lion's face. So, legendary beasts is a better grouped term to call the trio considering that at least suicune and entei look part canine and part feline; as well as the fact that some people see more canine features in their anatomy while others see more feline features in their anatomy. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 23:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I know I was just wondering what everyone else thought, I think it is a good term for keeping the peace in pokemon. Something sorely needed since the whole voice change over thing. [[User:WolfMan of Light|De Wolfy is here]] 18:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:"Beasts" is best, because there's just too much of a division amongst the fanbase as to which animal group they should be associated with, so it's best to keep it ambiguous. It's almost as bad as the Eeveelutions. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

::Come on! You must be blind if you:
:::*Don't see Raikou's extreme similarity with a saber tooth tiger
:::*See Suicune's animated silhouette in the title screen of Crystal and don't think it runs exactly like a cheetah
:::*Don't think that Entei roars like a lion and has a lion-like face [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::::I personally only see feline features in Raikou, Suicune is pretty obviously a wolf and Entei a big dog to me. But, that's exactly the reason they're the legendary beasts, because the fandom can't decide on cats or dogs.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 22:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia point ==

I just read in the trivia that each legendary beast is the physical form of one of the three events that happened at Brass Tower when it was destroyed; Raikou was the lightning stike, Entei was the fire that started, and Suicune was the rain that put out the flames. Is this true? Has it ever been mentioned anywhere else? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:It was mentioned somewhere in the Gold/Silver/Crystal games in Ecruteak City. I don't remember which person you have to talk to though. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 02:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
<blockquote>The legendary POKéMON are said to embody three powers… The lightning that struck the TOWER. The fire that burned the TOWER. And the rain that put out the fire…</blockquote>
::This is said by a member of the Wise Trio in Pokémon Crystal after the player encounters Ho‐oh. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 02:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, good. It's just, I treat fan assumptions with sceptism. Good to see its true. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 15:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Gerbils? ==

Who calls them "the Legendary Gerbils?" Sounds more to me like something that only the person who edited that in called them...Anyone know for a fact that "some circles" call them that? [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 16:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

:I could be wrong but i think the term came from the fact that fans were split between calling them the legendary dogs or the legendary cats. i guess some people thought, jokingly of course, that they might as well be called legendary gerbils because dogs, cats, and gerbils are all furry but there really isn't an opposite animal to gerbils. but again, it's just a term that was created from humor. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 22:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::I concur. theres no way that was in game or anime. no gerbils[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::I've seen it around on several forums and fan sites; it's just a humorous fanon term. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 22:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that it was me who was the first to refer to them as legendary gerbils. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. See my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|comment on it!]] 03:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, on my Youtube account I have a video of their music and about half the comments say their legendary gerbils. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 06:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Origins idea? ==

Not my thought- this was brought up as an anonymous post on 420chan's /po/ but was surprisingly insightful, especially with the origins of the beasts and their roles in the game compared to what they were said to be in this metaphor. I suppose I will say this in two words: Dante's Inferno. In the first Canto of the Inferno, Dante is assaulted by "a lion, a leopard, and a she-wolf" (who symbolize the sins of self indulgence, violence, and malice, respectively).

Normally I would laugh away any attempt to explain where GameFreak got the basis for a monster without them explicitly stating it, but the simultaneous appearance of a lion (Entei), leopard (Raikou), and she-wolf (Suicune) in "Inferno" seems too conspicuous to ignore. Any thoughts on this? Extended analogies from Dante to prove/disprove? [[User:TheCakeIsALie|NonaSuomi]]
: Doubtful, considering Entei and Raikou look nothing like a lion or leopard, and you can only make a weak comparison to Suicune as a wolf.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:31, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== Ordering? ==

I'm seeing Raikou, Entei, and Suicune. That's according to the NDex numbers. Not sure if it's just me, but does anyone else see the same naming scheme as in the birds? Suic''une''' (pron. is Spanish for one) Rai''kou'' (rhymes two) and En''tei'' (sorta like three). Which seems better?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 22:30, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
:You're reading too far into it this time. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:22, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

== HeartGold/SoulSilver ==

It says elsewhere on the site that if suicune is KO'd in HGSS, it'll reappear in Burnt Tower, and keep reappearing until it's caught. Is the same also true of the other two legendary beasts? --[[User:Oatzy|Oatzy]] 20:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
:Only Suicune reappears after being defeated. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:03, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::Not true, Raikou and Entei also reappear after being defeated.. you just gotta beat the E4 (doesn't matter if it's the first time beating it or not). They just reappear in the wild, no need to re-summon. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 04:06, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
:::That's in the wild though, not the Burnt Tower, which was the question. Which is also why I didn't know they reappear in the wild, since I only checked the Tower... '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Er, excuse me, but how can you catch them in HGSS? When I encounter one and use my Golbat and Mean Look to stop them, the beast Roar after about 5 turns.

[[User:Takaoldaria|Takaoldaria]] 13:38, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:That's more of a forum question, but whatever. I've always found Mean Look to be a waste of time, seeing as their HP and status carry over to your next battle with them. You can weaken them one move at a time, put them to sleep, and catch them if you're patient enough to track them down again each time they flee. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 13:44, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::The effect of Roar makes ''your'' Pokémon run away if it's used by a wild Pokémon. Mean look only makes the ''other'' Pokémon unable to run away, until you switch out whatever used Mean Look, or if you flee from a wild battle. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:07, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

== The new images of the Isshu trio seems to imply they would be beasts ==

Of course, it isn't official, but it got me to thinking. What will Bulbapedia do if the trio in Isshu can only be accurately called the Legendary Beasts? Is there a plan in place to prevent this page from erupting into a cat/dog war? I've done research into the origin of the beasts, and can easily provide it for double checking if need be. Once again, I'm not saying that the page should be changed. I'm just asking if Bulbapedia has a plan if the new trio turns out to be something that can only be called The Legendary Beasts --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] 21:39, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Prima Games

2013-12-04T23:57:56Z

RandomDSdevel: /* Kalos Region Guidebook Volume 2 */ new section

==Two HeartGold and Soul Silver books==
Something to bring up is that for HeartGold and SoulSilver it looks like Prima will be doing the same thing with Diamond and Pearl and release a second guide designed for the Pokédex entries and such. I learned this link from Amazon [http://www.amazon.com/Pokemon-Heart-Gold-Silver-Pokedex/dp/0307468054/ref=pd_sim_vg_3]. I also did some checking and confirmed the official title as Pokemon Heart Gold Soul Silver Pokedex: Prima Official Game Guide (Paperback), as well as that this books' ISBN number is different from the one being released with both versions.

If all of this pans out then this second book will be released on April 20th. While this obviously should not be posted on the article for this page yet, I just want to bring the heads up of this important subject. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

== Why no other guides ==

Why are there no other guides mentioned, especially the Nintendo Power ones, which i'm pretty sure were more official then Prima. [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 00:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:Prima's are labeled with a Nintendo seal. Not to mention Nintendo Power never covers the whole game, they barely even cover a fraction of the game. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:59, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Nut they are published ''by'' Nintendo. Does that not scream official? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 19:01, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::Don't insult me, maybe you should try re-reading my statement because I never said Nintendo Power wasn't official. I just said we use Prima's because they are official via Nintendo and Nintendo Power never comes the whole game. Try reading before throwing unneeded insults. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:::What do you mean "Nintendo Power never covers the whole game"? The Nintendo Power guides were just as complete as the Prima ones, if not more so. Why shouldn't Nintendo Power guides get a page? [[User:Pokemega32|Pokemega32]] 02:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

== Split ==

I'm in favour of a split. I always thought it was awfully silly to have one cluttered article for all the guides. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 03:03, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
:[[User:Pokeant/Sandbox|Testing Page]]. we should also create articles for Nintendo Power, BradyGames and Versus Books. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 07:54, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
::[[User:Pokeant/Nintendo Official Player's Guide (Pokémon Red and Blue)|Another One here]]. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 08:12, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

== when i got one... ==

when i got the prima guide for emerald, it had many errors, for example in the begining it stated that "chose between the water type mudkip, grass type torchic, or fire type treecho" with many differnt errors two, such as showing pictures of pokemon sapphire areas instead of emerald, i could tell cause the brenden guy had a red outfit. [[User:HoennRemake|HoennRemake]] ([[User talk:HoennRemake|talk]]) 15:14, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

== Kalos Region Guidebook Volume 2 ==

Hey, has anybody noticed that the second volume of the [http://www.amazon.com/Pok-mon-Official-Region-Guidebook-Strategy/dp/0804161992/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=&qid= Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Guidebook: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide], the [http://www.amazon.com/Pokémon-Official-Postgame-Adventure-Strategy/dp/0804162573/ref=pd_sim_b_1 Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide: The Official Pokémon Strategy Guide], will be released on January 22nd here in North America? I'm surprised that the section on the X and Y guides don't mention this…

— [[User:RandomDSdevel|RandomDSdevel]] ([[User talk:RandomDSdevel|talk]]) 23:57, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Mew glitch

2012-10-24T23:55:57Z

RandomDSdevel: /* Fire Red */ Added comment

On the subject of the lavender comment:

The original use of this glitch involved Lavender Town, but the version useable at the earliest point in-game is Cerulean. Wherever the first trainer you "evaded" is is where you should go to trigger your fight.

-coppro

== Green ==

Does this glich work in the Japanese Green verison? {{unsigned|Jsmith}}

Yes, I just tested it mysself. This glitch does work with Japanese Red and Green. I haven't tested Japanese Blue, but I assume it works as well since it is so similar to the English Red and Blue.--[[User:Rby4ever|Rby4ever]] 08:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

== Fire Red ==

Does this glitch work in Fire Red Version for GBA? {{unsigned|Lukario}}
:Probably not. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 05:22, 13 November 2005 (CST)
:Nope. - [[User:MrWho|MrWho]] 22:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Hey, what about [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIbqbepn4gA this YouTube video]? But then again, the overlying text is hard to read and includes "When you've finished this, come tell me…YOU N00B!" [[User:RandomDSdevel|RandomDSdevel]] ([[User talk:RandomDSdevel|talk]]) 23:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

==Cubone==

I caught a Cubone using Method 1#, do exactly the same only instead of the youngster the Hiker![[User:No.1fan|Sonic]] [[User talk:No.1fan|Pikachu]] [[user:no.1fan/mission|RTP]]|[[user:no.1fan/reasons|1#fan]] 08:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
And a Lapras![[User:No.1fan|Sonic]] [[User talk:No.1fan|Pikachu]] [[user:no.1fan/mission|RTP]]|[[user:no.1fan/reasons|1#fan]] 08:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

== New Mew ==

I found another trainer that bears Mew. The Swimmer♂ in Misty's Gym makes the glitch possible too.[[User:No.1fan|Sonic]] [[User talk:No.1fan|Pikachu]] [[user:no.1fan/mission|RTP]]|[[user:no.1fan/reasons|1#fan]] 16:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:Any proof??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 22:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::Um... No, but it does work. Really![[User:No.1fan|Sonic]] [[User talk:No.1fan|Pikachu]] [[user:no.1fan/mission|RTP]]|[[user:no.1fan/reasons|1#fan]] 18:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Hmm........--'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 22:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't think it should make much of a difference if it's added or not. But if it works then put it in. Just check a couple of times that it works. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 22:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Agreed. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 01:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

== Another way to get Mew. ==

Instead of going to Lavender Town afterwards you can also go down to Saffron City and before you enter the gate to go toward Lavender Town you encounter him.--[[User:Pmddbzaotil|Pmddbzaotil]] 21:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== L. 1-7 Mew ==
I heard once that lowering the Ditto or Trainer Pokémon's Attack modifier lowers the resulting wild Pokémon's level. Like if you use Growl six times on the Youngster's Slowpoke before beating it, the Mew will be L. 1. Since you can't increase its Attack, it can't get any higher than L. 7. If anyone would care to verify, that would be great. --[[User:Fsilone|隼也]] 18:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, that's true. That was first discovered at a speedrunning forum. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 18:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== 3rd Person ==

Should this be from a third person? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 02:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah. I was thinking that we should clean this page up so it doesn't look like a walkthrough. I mean, of course, it pretty much is... but yes. Remove the yous. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::It's pretty hard though, that's all. [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 02:16, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:::We shouldn't be using the command form either. That means, no "Go to" or "Do this". That's the second person just as much as "then you do this"; command form implies second person. So just removing the "yous" doesn't work either. So this needs to be cleaned up even more so that just removing the "yous".[[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 16:13, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I changed it all to "the player", so i think it's fine now [[User:Leaf Storm|Leaf Storm]] 18:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Two Mew Available and the Swimmer at the Gym ==

Gym trainers are unchallengeable after their Leader has been defeated. Thus, while you can avoid that swimmer and he has the correct stats on his Pokémon, he can't be challenged for the sake of the Mew Trick. Someone didn't do their research. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 12:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:And that someone was me. The swimmer is involved in the first method, which doesn't need cut, so can be done before Misty. Sorry for the commotion. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 12:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
::Did you test it? Or am I still the only one to have done it?''[[User:no.1fan|'''Sonic''']][[User talk:no.1fan|'''Pikachu''']]''[[User:no.1fan/reasons|'''The No.1fan''']] 18:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Yellow ==

How about the English Yellow Version? Has anybody tested that? Yeah, it does, I've just done it. I'll work this into the main article.--[[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 11:09, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Please add new comments to the bottom of the page and with the (+) button at the top of the page, thank you. And sign your comments with four tildes (~). Thank you again. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 15:16, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

== Hello ==

Hello. I have the strategy guide for Yellow version, which I can use to transfer images from the book into this site, if it helps.--[[User:Tmwps|Tmwps]] 08:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== Glitch not working right! ==

The glitch isn't working right for me. Here's what I did:
1. Caught an Abra.
2. Saved.
''This part is what I'm supposed to do. I just explained it badly.
3. walked to the Junior Trainer next to the bridge
4. Opened the menu.
5. Teleported.
6. He saw me, but I ended up in Cerulean City.
OK, I'm done with the bad explaining.''
7. Fought the Youngster with the Slowpoke.
8. Won.
9. Saved.
What I did first:
10. Teleported to Cerulean City.
11. Went to the Nugget Bridge.
12. The menu opened itself!
13. I closed it.
14. Mew didn't appear! I read the article, so I soft resetted.
After that, I tried this:
10. Walked to Cerulean City.
11. When I left the Route, the menu appeared!
12. I closed it.
13. Mew didn't appear!

I think the problem was #9, but I'm not sure. [[User:Alakazam 2|Alakazam 2]]

== "I saw your feat from the grass!" ==

[[:a:File:Feat.jpg|thumb|right|Visual proof that "feat" is indeed the word. This is true not only in [[Generation I]], but its [[Generation III]] remakes as well.]]
I can't believe people are still insisting that "[[Wiktionary:feat|feat]]" is a misspelling of "[[Wiktionary:feet|feet]]". If anyone even bothered to read a dictionary definition, one can tell that feat is most definitely a word, and as such, can deduce that the Jr. Trainer ([[Camper]] in {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}) was referring to the act of the [[player character]] clearing the [[Nugget Bridge]] challenge. In fact, given the barriers across the water, it would make absolutely no sense for the Jr. Trainer to claim he saw the player's feet. In conclusion, the line as given in the game is correct as it is, and any attempt to change the correct "feat" to the incorrect "feet", especially if citing a "spelling error", will result in a warning, and potentially a block if things go too far. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
:Lol, funny thing is, I understood when I first played Blue. I was 6. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-''']][[User_talk:Porygon-Z|'''Z''']] 05:45, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

::Well, he was a ''[[Jr. Trainer]]'' in ''tall grass'', and the normal length grass itself almost touches the bridge. Also, he sees your feet when you walk up to him. From where he was standing, he couldn't see the bridge anyways, but if it was in [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FR/LG]]... this is all confusing to me. --''[[User:NismoX|Nismo]]'''[[User_talk:NismoX|X]]''''' 02:02, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:::See [[Wiktionary:feat|feat]], as linked above. He is saying that he saw your battle from the grass. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:09, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

==Move==
"Mew glitch" is a bad name, as it infers that the glitch is centered on Mew, when in fact Mew is simply what many people use this glitch to catch. Rather, I suggest a name like {{red link|Trainer flee glitch}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]. Help [[User:SnorlaxMonster/GlitchEvobox|here]] 03:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not sure... I think the Trainer flee glitch as you call it isn't considered canon like Mew glitch... as in known throughout the world... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
::Well, Mew glitch would stay redirect, but I do see the problem with it being commonly known as the Mew glitch. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]. Help [[User:SnorlaxMonster/GlitchEvobox|here]] 04:42, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
:::I think I know. The third method AKA Ditto Trick could become its own article as it involves Ditto, while the other 2 are specifically for catching Mew, and can be left as Mew Glitch. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]. Help [[User:SnorlaxMonster/GlitchEvobox|here]] 10:43, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Any thoughts? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:39, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::I agree, I never liked the term "Mew Glitch" either. It has absolutely nothing to do with Mew, but can be used to obtain any Pokemon. Likewise, the "methods" in the article should go as well, they're just the same ones copy-pasted all over the net by people who have no idea how the glitch actually work. A proper description of the glitch, how to use it, and what you can do with it is what an article should be about, not the same stupid "follow these steps to catch Mew!!!" crap you see everywhere. Ditto doesn't really have anything to do with the glitch either, he's just a handy way of getting the Pokemon you want out of it, so a proper name should be "Wild Pokemon Manipulation Glitch" or something. [[User:Adamant|Adamant]] 22:10, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Make the article on Wild Pokémon manipulation glitch and make the mew glitch one explain just the mew method maybe? Although, this article does actually explain about gettting mew. [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 02:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:It may not be the 'proper' term for it, but everything I have seen refers to it as the Mew glitch.. even when it's used for getting glitch Pokémon. When it comes to unofficial terms, best go with something that most if not all fans use. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 03:03, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
::Ignore what I said before, this is right^ [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 05:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, but Ditto glitch is another common term (this article even uses it). I suggest a split so that the Ditto glitch is Method 3 and Mew glitch methods 1 and 2. I have the same problem with the [[Celebi egg glitch]], which really only describes how to get Celebi, making a note that it can be used in other situations. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
::::That actually sounds like it'd be a good idea- put Method 3 on its own page titled Ditto glitch (or even just an entire article with Ditto-related glitches, such a glitchy 'mon).. and keep Methods 1 and 2 on this page. Celebi egg trick also really needs a re-write so it's more neutral instead of being like HEERS HOW 2 GET CEREBI!!!... ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 21:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

==Level 1 Pokémon==
[[User:OwnageMuch|A user]] decided that this section be removed as it works everywhere. Can someone reword the section (not delete) so that it describes how to do it anywhere. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:39, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 
:[[User:OwnageMuch|A user]] was not lying. He did not put it on the talk page as Bulbapedia kept crashing. All it needs to say is "the opponents attack stage from the battle before being higher or lower causes the Pokémon found's level to be changes, which the article previously said, then just say a level 1 Pokémon (which can be caught with this glitch) with whatever algorithm will level to 100. I'm pretty sure it already says it in the article anyway. [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 04:09, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Alright, [[User:SnorlaxMonster|another user]] will put a section on [[List of minor glitches]] about the glitch that occurs with level 1 Pokémon which causes them to level up to 100. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:46, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:::And [[User:OwnageMuch|a <strike>lazy</strike> user]] will thank [[User:SnorlaxMonster|another user]] very much. [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 02:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

==Special Stats==
I know which special stat number corresponds to which Pokemon. Should I make a section for that in the article?{{unsigned|Raikami}}
:Yes, make a chart for it in the space I left. It's just the Hex addresses in decimal though, so it's not too hard to get. [[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:52, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

:Okay, I tried making a graph... It wouldn't save it or something. I copied and pasted the graph stuff and saved it to my computer, but...
::First problem was that it was inside an unclosed comment tag, which was hiding it and breaking the page. The second problem was that a table needs a <code><nowiki>|-</nowiki></code> to signal the start of each row. I've fixed both problems. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:46, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

==Global Terminal Connections==
I go to the global terminal sometimes and look up Mew on it. All the Mew I see on the page are level 7. I wonder if the people putting up the Mew are getting them from Blue, Red or Yellow somehow (but I don't see how it's possible.), or that there could be a possible Mew Glitch in Generation IV?
[[User:Augustjune380|Augustjune380]] 20:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC)August

== Pokemon List ==
Most of the fights with the Rival or fights against Gym Leaders won't let any pokemon appear. Same goes for some other event trainer fights, like with the Rocket Grunt in Cerulean City who stole the TM28 (Dig). To fight certain trainers sometimes it is required to fight a "dummy" trainer before them, to be able to reach them by using HM moves (i.e. cut, surf, fly etc.) and/or talk to them to trigger the fight when they face a wall or another character. The Pokemon which appears will always be the same, no matter which "dummy" trainer has been fought beforehand.

Pokemons spawned by the Rival may differ depending on which starter you choose.
There are several trainers with which you can make this bug occour, with one being on Route 12 and 2 inside the Rock Tunnel (A Pokemon with Dig or Escape Rope are needed though) and probably some more.

Here is a list of Pokemon which i have gathered so far that appear with help of this bug:
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(Pokemon Red, Starter: Bulbasaur)

Route 24:

Cubone

Nidoqueen

Nidoqueen

Mew

Lapras

Gengar

Rhyhorn

Nidoran♀

Scyther

Cerulean Gym:

Mew

Staryu

Route 6:

Grimer

Chansey

Blastoise (fight a random trainer and then talk to the boy)

Shellder (fight a random trainer and then talk to the girl)

Rhyhorn

Shellder

Route 11:

Gastly

Growlithe

Shellder

Staryu

Onix

MISSINGNO.

Drowzee

Magmar

Mr. Mime

Tentacool

M.S. Anne:

Booth 1:

Shellder

Gyarados

Booth 2:

Growlithe

Booth 3:

MISSINGNO.

Booth 4:

Staryu

Machoke

Booth 5:

Gastly

Booth 6:

Shellder

Booth 7:

Gyarados

Gastly

Deck:

Machoke

Tentacool

Booth 8:

Tentacool

MISSINGNO.

Booth 9:

Pinsir

Gastly

Rival:

Onix

Vermilion Gym:

(fight a random trainer and then use cut to get into the gym)

Pinsir

Tangela

MISSINGNO.

MISSINGNO. (Gym Leader)

Route 9:

Growlithe

Arcanine

Pinsir

Gyarados

Arcanine

Tentacool

Lapras

Arcanine

Staryu

Route 10:

MISSINGNO. (Girl near the PKMN Center)
|}

Next up are the trainers inside the [[Rock Tunnel]], i will update the list, when i continue fighting the other trainers.
I've once already did this with all trainers up to Route 10, 12 and 8 and there were several Mew's and Version Exclusive Pokemons aswell as rare and unique ones. (i.e. Lapras and Blastoise)

Probably this glitch allows to catch all 151 Pokemons in the Red/Blue Version, without having to do any trades with other players, yet to prove this all trainers need to be fought first.
[[User:OMG|OMG]] 17:28, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:I actually found an image which lists every Trainer in R/B and the Pokémon they give, since you can lose to them on different Pokémon to produce different wild Pokémon. [http://puu.sh/257S Caution: Ridiculously big image] --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I tried this glitch twice( with another trainer, not the same jr. trainer) in red and i got a pinsir. However, when i tried it the 4th time a super nerd fought me, the one to the left of lavender town, who says "you look with pokemon, but how is your chem?" , upon entry to the road. has this occured to anyone else?--[[User:tinylittlekitty]] 14:34, 23 Novenber 2011 (UTC)

It's shortened from "chemistry grade", which is a trainer's text. Trainers' text can appear instead of the start menu. [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 23:27, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, i know. But i still needed to battle him. Is there a way of predicting when you would experience this?[[User:tinylittlekityy|tinylittlekityy]] 05:46, 3 December 2011(UTC)
:When you reappear on the route which you escaped from the Trainer after getting the ability to use the start menu back, the game loads the last dialogue box in memory (this can be changed by talking to people, reading signs, etc.) If the event data doesn't match/doesn't exist on another Route then it will be different text which partly corresponds somehow to the former text. You might not even get a Pokémon at the end of it. For example, if you used {{m|Fly}} from a Trainer on {{rt|6|Kanto}}, battled a Trainer on {{rt|11|Kanto}} (the Pokémon you encounter if you get an instant encounter [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation I)|corresponds]] to the Special stat of their last Pokémon), then decided to talk to the NPC who tells you about pollution and Grimer in [[Vermillion City]] when you return to Route 6 the equivalent text happens to be "Who's there? Stop listening in on us!" (one of the Jr. Trainer (M)'s on that Route) or his after battle text "Whisper... whisper..." This results in a 'slow-motion steps' glitch. If you replace this NPC with one of the Town Maps indoors in Vermillion City it results in glitch text and a freeze. An [http://forums.glitchcity.info/index.php/topic,3979.msg179934.html incomplete list of possibilities by glitchuntress can be found here].

:IIRC, even having the start menu as the last dialogue box opened might be different text on certain routes, but its often just the same. I can't really remember, but here's a couple of examples to get the 'chemistry grade' text; after doing the Trainer-escape glitch from {{rt|8|Kanto}} talk to the NPC in Lavender Town who asks if you believe in ghosts as the last dialog box instead of the start menu, or alternatively go to the Lavender Town PokéMart and talk to the shopkeeper before returning to the route. This also spawns a double battle glitch with the Pokémaniac and the same slow motion glitch. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 15:59, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

== New Twist On Ditto Method ==

I'm new to editing Bulbapedia, so I don't know all the conventions here, but I discovered something myself a few years back regarding the Ditto method of this Mew Glitch. It goes like this:

:1. After fleeing from the first trainer go to a PC and press the A button, which should open the PC.
:2. Change your current BOX (which saves the game) and then exit the PC and restart your game.
:3. The MENU should now open when START is pressed. FLY to INDIGO PLATEAU.
:4. Beat the ELITE FOUR. And you must beat them, you can't just lose to LORELEI to save time (I tried).
:5. Go find your Ditto and have it transform into whatever Pokemon you want it too, then beat it.
:6. Get to the location of the trainer you fled from first and the glitch will end normally.

So the point is: (1) It's possible to access the start menu before you beat another trainer and (2) you can execute this glitch if you have no more "normal" trainers to fight (except for someone to flee from, obviously), so it can be performed over and over to attain whatever the player wants. I just tested this twice on my Blue version and it worked both times, so I assume it would work on Red and Yellow as well. This seems like relevant information to me, so if someone wants to work it into the article that'd be great. Thanks! [[User:Mr. Wright|Mr. Wright]] 14:36, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

==My method==
not trying to advertise my video here but this is my method http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGtzBXXLvJY&context=C3efdf75ADOEgsToPDskKgDQmqJr1L_DUyjxqb-LMA [[User:Maresh19|Maresh19]] 12:58, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

== interesting tip ==

Thought it would be worth mentioning that multiple uses of this glitch caused the snorlax outside of Vermilion to disapear in American Red for me (abused the heck out of the safari zone and strong trainers). Also, maybe a list of which trainers generate what should be made, for example, abusing the Abra and Jr Trainer method after clearing nugget bridge, i encounted a pair of Nidoqueen, a Lapras, a Gengar, and a cubone (i didn't do it for the entire northern section), and of course mew. Also, the Rocker just outside of the Fishing Guru's Brother's house produces a Missingno, while i didn't want my items duplicated, i had a nugget in the slot so i won't say i was displeased. [[User:Shadowfox337|Shadowfox337]] 13:06, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
:This has already been known for a long time ago, and the Change Box/Elite Four trick as mentioned above but just nobody has got around to adding it to the article yet. Trainer-Fly/Escape glitch [http://tasvideos.org/GameResources/GBx/Pokemon.html#SkippingSnorlaxRbgy does] cause overworld Pokémon to disappear. The Pokémon depends on the Special stat last loaded into memory, and it's level the opponent's attack stage (1-7), 7=neutral before you return to the route. In R/G/B Trainers IIRC have minimum DVs and 0 stat experience by default, this means that every Pokémon at the same level yields the same Special value, for instance the Youngster's {{p|Slowpoke}} happens to have a Special stat of 21 (corresponding to Mew's [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation I)|index number]]).

:This is also why the Ditto glitch can be used to obtain any Pokémon excluding glitch Pokémon which freeze the game and those which are automatically managed as Trainers (Special 200 and up). You don't necessarily have to beat the Trainers and you can just faint on them to get their Pokémon's Special stats loaded into memory. {{user|Wwwxxyy}} who used to post on the temporary [[Glitch City Laboratories]] forums made a large guide of every Trainer and their associated Special stats. It was first posted on an imageboards a long time ago, but he reposted it back in 2011. [http://puu.sh/257S It can be found here]. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:48, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

== Generation 2 Hexadecimal-to-Special Conversions ==

I understand that, through the [[Johto_guard_glitch|Johto Guard Glitch]] being used in conjunction with the Mew Glitch, you can obtain many Generation II Pokemon within a Generation I game. I am trying to find a trainer that would give me the glitch-equivalent of Celebi, however I do not know what Special rating corresponds with Celebi, or if one even exists that can semi-safely be stored on a Generation I game (meaning it does not destroy the save data or instantly freeze the game) and successfully transferred to Generation II. If you can provide both the corresponding hex/Special value as well as prospective trainers to perform the glitch on, I would be grateful. However, an answer of whether or not it is realistically possible to obtain Celebi through these two glitches would be appreciated as well. I was weighing this against the Celebi Egg Glitch, as I am not as familiar with that one. [[User:TapeWillFixIt|TapeWillFixIt]] 21:02, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Use the Big List on Glitch City Laboratories (when it's up). [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 00:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:Trading [[Generation I]] glitch Pokémon into to a [[Generation II]] game hasn't really been investigated yet. Typically it just results in a message that your friend's Pokémon "appears to be abormal", and the direct cause of that message isn't fully understood. I have heard of Paco81 taking advantage of the [[Pokémon merge glitch]] to do something like this. I believe he made the donor one Pokémon, and the recipient another Pokémon so that when you take the Pokémon into the Generation II daycare centre, it transforms.

:The general idea of the [[Johto guard glitch]] is that you first obtain a bad clone (?????) Pokémon, convert it into the 0xFF kind and then use its 'cloaking' abilities to trade your Generation II Pokémon into Generation I as glitch Pokémon, provided they still don't have Generation II exclusive moves and not the other way round, so there is no need for the [[Mew glitch]] or any encounter glitches in Generation I in performing the Johto guard glitch, although unfortunately it can be difficult to obtain a bad clone without Pokémon Stadium 2. There is a problem with conversion, which means Generation II Pokémon with index numbers greater than 250 don't turn into the same Generation I Pokémon all of the time.

:The table for equivalent Generation II Pokémon is stored [http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4821/rbtogsctable.png this] way. Look up the first value, regard it as "01" ({{p|Rhydon}}'s Generation I index number) and it corresponds to Rhydon's Generation II index number of 70h (112). The invalid Pokémon (Missingno.'s and post 0xBE [190] glitch Pokémon) up to 250 happen to be generated automatically in Pokédex order starting from #212 {{p|Scizor}}, with Missingno. 0x34 and {{p|Ho-Oh}} as the only exception. For instance, Missingno. 0x32 is Heracross (#214), and Missingno. 0x38 is Sneasel (#215), though this isn't beta data. The problem is that the game seems to stop reading from #251-#255, and the Pokémon you get no longer directly depends on the species anymore (see these [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Johto_guard_glitch three examples]). --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 01:10, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::Also, I'd like to note that there are some Pokémon which simply can't be obtained with the [[Mew glitch]], when you use Specials of modulo 200 and above, a Trainer class is returned by the game (index number-200) instead of the equivalent glitch Pokémon. These glitch Pokémon can be obtained with certain Japanese-only select button glitches, like the fossil conversion glitch or the Johto guard glitch itself (except the attainability of index numbers 252-255 in Generation I haven't been confirmed with Johto guard glitch for the reason stated above). I hope this helps. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 01:15, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

:::It was a tremendous help. I had been hoping that I was reading the current hexlists wrong when I saw the trainers towards the end, or that the hexlists were out of date. Thanks for information! --[[User:TapeWillFixIt|TapeWillFixIt]] 01:33, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

== I did the unthinkable ==

I was messing around with the glitch, doing the method involving the Juggler outside of Lavender and the Youngster that owns a Slowpoke. When the menu opened, just to see what happened, I saved, thinking it would get me to Mew more quickly if I KO'd it. When I closed the menu: nothing. when I restarted it, the menu automatically opened, but nothing happened. I feel that this information's relevant, but don't know where to add it. [[User:Jdrawer|Jdrawer]] 22:55, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

== Special 248 to 250 and 253 ==

On the page are the Special Stats 1 to 247. 251, 252, 254 and 255 triggers ZZAZZ glitch. But what about 248, 249, 250 and 253? Well i tried 249, and this glitch trainer wanted to fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzPDdiM93XQ
As you can see on the video, the trainer sended out 8, and after trying to attack the emulator crashes. I think something about these special stats should be added to the page. [[User:LuichoX|LuichoX]] 22:46, 11 April 2012 (UTC)