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{{Forme info|479{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|1=O|2=W|3=R|4=F|5=L}}.png|Electric|{{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=Ghost|1=Fire|2=Water|3=Ice|4=Flying|5=Grass}}|[[Form differences#Rotom|Rotom's forms]]|Rotom as though it had [[Rotom's Room|possessed]] {{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=nothing|1=a microwave oven|2=a washing machine|3=a refrigerator|4=a rotary fan|5=a lawn mower}}, therefore being {{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=Normal Rotom|1=Heat Rotom|2=Wash Rotom|3=Frost Rotom|4=Fan Rotom|5=Mow Rotom}}|the artwork shown in the infobox, the type-themed color displays, the anime image shown, the manga image shown, the base stats entry which is unhidden, the Pokéathlon stats entry which is unhidden, the type effectiveness entry which is unhidden, and the moves noted as [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] for this Pokémon|day}}

<big><big><big>'''ROTOM IS NOT A LEGENDARY POKÉMON. DO NOT ADD IT TO THE PAGE.'''</big></big></big>

==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from August 24, 2007 – December 5, 2008)

== Unprotect ==

When can this be unprotected? *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 12:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
<gallery perrow=3>
Image:Rotom normal.jpg|Rotom
Image:Rotom heat.jpg|Heat Rotom
Image:Rotom wash.jpg|Wash Rotom
Image:Rotom frost.jpg|Frost Rotom
Image:Rotom spin.jpg|Spin Rotom
Image:Rotom cut.jpg|Cut Rotom
</gallery> *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 16:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Could an admin also fix up the new stats-box? Rotom's the only one not updated. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::Can this be unprotected anytime soon I wanna make the in the anime part now...[[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 17:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::This page isn't unprotected yet? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 19:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary? ==

I know this has been discussed before but since the main argument for Rotom not being legendary was its stats but now that it can change forms (a trait shared with several legendary Pokémon) that all have better stats ("almost making them analogous to evolutions") should this discussion be reopened.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:No. Not a legendary.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Shall we bring this up on the Castform talk page too then? What about Cherrim and Burmy? Rotom isn't legendary, it's just the Gen IV version of Snorlax, Sudowoodo and Kecleon (without the annoying blocking of your path thing). — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::The main argument was the new stats and ''event'' status. At least I new better than to edit the article outright. If nothing else, it is the first ''non''-legendary to have had new forms unlocked through events.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, technically, the official DP Pokédex released by Nintendo/Gamefreak/TVTokyo stated that Rotom was a Legendary Pokémon, but yeah, it's doubtful that it is one. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::: Then so is arcanine. Get working on that children[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::::: Actually, I was referring to this (It still labels it as the Plasma pokémon, BTW.)

:::::: [[Image:LegendaryRotom.jpg|500px]]

::::::[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]]03:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I realized a while ago that here we didn't refer to it as legendary and respected that, I was just wondering if it was just because of its {{tt|''awful'' stats|which are better with the new forms}} as well as the new EVENT status.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

its legendary. duh. sure the booked said delibird was a legendary but in the lineup it wasent there and rotom was there. [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 20:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Oh no, don't start ''that'' again...--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 20:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

::: well i brung it up hah [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I know this sort of thing brings out the worst in certain bulbapedians (^). But really, what are the remaining arguments? It's stats aren't awful anymore so it can't be that. Also, if this discussion still ends with it not being legendary, could an Admin please add that '''Rotom is the first non-legendary Pokémon to have an alternate form that requires activation from an event'''.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well, if you look in the deletion log for {{u|Timer/Rotom's Status|one of the most useless pages in history}}, apparently Pokemon.com said it wasn't legendary. And EX, did the book have the official Nintendo Seal on it? Didn't think so. Now, ''better'' handbooks, which actually ''have'' the seal on them, say that 'Tom is ''not'' a legendary.--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 21:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, I don't know about you, but I think the official copyright that he mentioned is good enough for me. I mean, what's the point in even making a copyright if the person/company in question didn't ACTUALLY create it? Besides, the official Seal of Nintendo isn't going to apply anyways, as Nintendo didn't actually create Pokémon (it was gamefreak). All they did was allow it on their systems. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 21:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::In that case, could someone please add the trivia.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I already did a long time ago. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::We already decided this, Didnt we? Its not a legendary, unless Arcanine is one ({{tt|similar species name|hell, its even listed with Articuno, Zapdos, and MOltres}}[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::::::::::It is not legendary, end of story. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 00:05, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::No, I mean say '''Rotom is the only non-legendary to be considered "event only"'''.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::LIES! Rotom can be captured, only his other formes, not officially in the Dex, therefore not new pokemon, cant be captured[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::::::::::::To quote the page:"''As of the official Japanese tournament held in 2008, all Rotom forms have been banned from official tournaments. This is due to the special status of the alternate forms as event-exclusive Pokémon.''" I understand what you mean DCM, but I'm just using what we already have.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::But it doesnt have its own distinctive entry in the pokedex. Therefore, not a pokemon, just a variant of one.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
(Gettin' cramped) the--[[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 20:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)n put first/only Pokémon with alternate forms only available through an event. I was just using the {{tt|wording we already had in the article|change that too if necessary}}.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Double check that.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

is there any way we can truly find out if it is a legendary or not? [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 23:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
and i consider it semi-legendary like unown or lucario.

also the way you obtain Rotom is like most legendaries, because you have to go up to a T.V. and then a battle starts, do you get what i'm saying?
and an '''''Bold text''OFFICIAL''' nintendo handbook says Rotom is legendary
and Rotom has legendary battle music!!!! [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 23:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:*refrains from using caps* no, it isn't. The music {{p|Cresselia|means}} {{p|Shaymin|nothing}}. Goodbye.--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

so, there is no way we can truly find out if it is a legendary? [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 23:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC) [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 23:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC) [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 23:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

:Even without the Legendary music, there's still the fact that it was mentioned to be a Legendary in an official handbook that was made not only by nintendo, but TVTokyo and even Gamefreak, the ones who actually created Pokémon in the first place. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 00:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

what i'm saying is that you have to activate rotom (in a way) and then battle him.
how many non-legendary pokemon do that!?--[[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 20:58, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:{{p|Snorlax}}, {{p|Sudowoodo}}. As much as I'd like to think Rotom's legendary, that argument doesn't cut it around here.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:13, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

why would nintendo make such a big deal out of rotom in platinum if he wasnt legendary. {{unsigned|Vik0z0z}}
:To make little fanboys and fangirls argue about it on Bulbapedia talkpages. Look guys, there is no official confirmation otherwise, so we have to take it as ''unlegendary'', as that is what ''most'' of the information leads to. Yes, there are points on both sides, but with no ''official'' confirmation, we can't do anything. The discussion here is becoming best suited to the forums and further comments will be deleted. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:53, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::Doesn't that Guidebook count as official information? I mean, from the Copyright notice that someone posted in the archives that TV Tokyo, Nintendo, and even Gamefreak had a hand at making the book. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't know... It could possily be a legendary... I mean, it's only possible to obtain one right? I don't know. I'll check it out with Nintendo. Maybe they can clear up some questions. [[User:Smashbrother101|Smashbrother101]] 01:11, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
i am back and i say: who cares its just one of many pokemon [[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 00:54, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:Old discussion is old. Commenting here is like feeding trolls. Just don't.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 06:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, this comment isn't replying to another one that is +6 months, I write it. Some games, he is legend, and in some he isn't. Like phione. it can breed, the most major thing to put his status in doubt, again like phione. I think in HGSS if they can breed, aren't legendary. But in some games it is. ----[[User:Desukaan563|Desukaan563's userpage has a Value Formula to measure Pokémon worth]] ''([[User talk:Desukaan563|talk]])'' 03:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia worthy? ==

On Pokemon Ranger (The first one), In Fall City, there is a young guy in a house in the south of Fall City. He has a picture on his wall which looks like either Freeze Rotom or Heat Rotom. Can someone else take a look at this for me?--[[User:Pokelova|Pokelova]] 05:12, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:Thats not really trivia worthy[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

Okay--[[User:Pokelova|Pokelova]] 23:02, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

== Cut and Spin Form U.S. names ==

Serebii.net today got information that two of Rotom's Form names have been changed in the U.S. translation as follows:

Cut Rotom is now known as '''Mow Rotom''' and
Spin Rotom is now known as '''Fan Rotom'''

I just wanted to let you guys you know --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 22:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

== Heat Forme ==

On the official site for Platinum, it says the oven is a microwave oven. I changed it on the Rotom and Form differences pages. [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 21:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:Excellent, well done. *two thumbs up and a big wide grin* — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::Umm...Thank you? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 00:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I always thought it was a toaster oven. A microwave doesn't make sense, because it doesn't use fire to heat food. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 00:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Neither does Ash carrying a Larvitar. But it's from the site so there's nothing you can do about it. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 00:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::On its defense, it's Heat Forme, not Fire Forme, so the microwave ''does'' make sense. Toaster ovens don't use fire either, anyway (at least not when functioning correctly).--[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 15:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== Charon's journal and notes on Rotom ==

Should I add them on Rotom's or Charon's page, or should I just not add them at all. --[[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 03:32, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
:I say Charon's page. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 03:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== Artwork at top... ==

Why is it only Frost Rotom?[[User:Nintendofan146B|Nintendofan146B]] 20:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
:Purge the server, click on the time at the top right of the page--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 20:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

== Why wash Rotom ==

The regular Rotom illustrates the Rotom concept better than its other forms. Do you see the sky forme Shaymin as the main picture on Shaymin's page? No? Then put the regular Rotom as the main images on this page! --[[User:HideInTheDark|HideInTheDark]] 18:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:First of, calmness is key. Second, the images are on a timer, and change every day for this article, I believe. The pictures on Shaymin, as well as numerous other pages, also change at set times. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 18:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::Oopsy, sorry, I didn't notice. A million sorry. --[[User:HideInTheDark|HideInTheDark]] 18:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Why wash Rotom? Maybe its dirty! (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 16:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

== Nintendo ==

We really should just wait for Nintendo to say something. I mean, just because someone says it isn't legendary or it is, doesn't mean that what they say is true or official, because nobody knows for sure, and because Nintendo never said anything about Rotom. (And I don't mean Pokemon.com) [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 19:48, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

:Still, multiple times it has been referred to as NON-legendary. You may be right, but I'm pretty sure its non-legendary. Nintendo mentioned it once if I'm correct, and the only possible proof that its legendary is that its banned from tournaments. ((User:Megamew/Megamew)) 02:08:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, there is one other proof that it's legendary. The official handbook for DP had actually stated that Rotom is legendary. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:55, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Those handbooks are incalcuably full of errors, though. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 11:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
::::I think that the handbooks are a bit... unreliable. they have made (many) mistakes before and should not be trusted for important matters such as legendary Pokémon. [[User:megamew/megamew]] 21:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

== Trading to Diamond and Pearl ==

If Rotom is in its Wash form (for example) and it was traded to Diamond or Pearl, it would be reverted back to its Normal Form. However, if it were to be traded back to a copy of Platinum (after being reverted to Normal Form by Diamond or Pearl), would it go back to its Wash Form, or would it stay as Normal Form? [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 13:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:It would most likely stay as it's normal form. I can't find anything on Youtube, so I can't confirm it for you. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:02, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I got some friends, Pokémon Platinum, A DS lite, and a wash [[rotom]] over here. I'm on it. --[[User:16ipodfanatic|16ipodfanatic]] 03:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC)16ipodfanatic

== "Auto-relearning" ThunderShock (in Platinum) ==

In the trivia section, there is the later part of one that says "If the only move that Rotom knows right before reverting to its original form is exclusive to its alternate form, then that move will be replaced with ThunderShock." I only own Platinum, and recently captured Rotom. Found the secret room, and transformed it, letting it learn that form's attack (replacing ThunderShock). Changed it to another appliance, then back to default, but found that ThunderShock had been deleted instead. Luckily, had saved just beforehand, so just did a power reset.

I then tested with just one appliance then back to default, and ThunderShock was again deleted instead of coming back and replacing the appliance's attack. So perhaps the replacing only happens in D/P? If someone could confirm and correct it, that'd be cool.

Also found that not allowing Rotom to learn the appliance's attack will also not allow Rotom to take it over. Again, no clue if this is different in D/P (if it is, obviously should be noted by someone that can confirm it).

Until confirmed, I'm removing the part I quoted for now, and someone can just retrive it later or rewrite it as neccessary.--[[User:Mondoblasto|Mondoblasto]] 08:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ah, but that says the ''only'' move. I.e., delete all of Rotom's moves ''but'' the special move, then change it back. I'm fairly certain that's what it means (not that I have Platinum to confirm). It refers only to Platinum, as the alternate forms are only in Pt, btw. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh ya, secret key->secret room->alternate forms only in Platinum.... after going to Canada's first Pokemon event, you'd think I'd remember that >_<; Since I DO have Platinum (long time fan of the anime, but first game), I guess I can go ahead and test it; as mentioned, my Rotom still fresh and default. I don't know of a way to remove moves, but I'm thinking I'll try using the appliance moves to delete them one after the other, through chain changing, and maybe also by default->alternate1->default->alternate2... ect--[[User:Mondoblasto|Mondoblasto]] 06:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::There's a [[move deleter]] in [[Canalave City]]. That should help. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I tested it with a Heat Rotom knowing only Overheat, and it's only move is now ThunderShock. It didn't even know ThunderShock before I deleted the other moves (not that that would make a difference), so it must have learnt it when changing formes. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 06:42, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Excellent, we've proved the article correct. I do enjoy doing that. :D Great effort. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

==Interesting...==
Wait, according to the anime, [[rotom]] can move even when it's not in it's battle mode. Wait, what? Okay, '''now''' I'm confused. Can someone help me with this? Oh, by the way... '''STOP FIGHTING/ARGUING ABOUT WHETHER ROTOM IS A LEGENDARY OR NOT!!!!''' I'm sick of your squabbling. --[[User:16ipodfanatic|16ipodfanatic]] 03:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)16ipodfanatic
:Thanks for bringing it up again. That's really just what we wanted. And anime =/= games. The two canons do things differently. Just because something happens in one, it doesn't have to happen in the other. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Name origins ==

I once added a small note that Rotom may also be a combination of ''rotate'' and possibly ''atom'', which got removed. Sure Charon may have named Rotom, '''but might I add that Rotom existed before Platinum? Charon was probably not even near their heads when they were choosing a name for Rotom at that time.''' So it seems to make sense to me that in the REAL WORLD, Rotom's name origin was most likely different back then. Yes it's name is motor backwards, but I was just trying to show that there were probably other possiblities why it was named that. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
:I agree, We have another possible name origin for {{p|Electrode}}--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
::Had it been based off of something else, surely the journal would have reflected that, like ''I have decided to name this most wondrous Pokémon 'Rotom.' Simple though it may be, Rotom emerged to me like a '''Rot'''atting a'''tom'''... Surely the link is obvious?''--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:22, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Honestly, there's usually only one reason for naming it, and we all know Platinum was planned during DP. They just needed to give a reason to buy Pt. It's like how Phione was named after a clione, not "clone" or "phony" or anything else. They put in the journal exactly what they named it for, making it the only truly canonical name origin. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I was just thinking whether the french name for Rotom comes from the word "phantasma" (ghost) rather than the word "plasma". I know it's a Plasma Pokémon but it's also a ghost... [[User:Gronast|Gronast]] 22:24, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

== About the banning ==

:"As of the official Japanese tournament held in 2008, all Rotom forms have been banned from official tournaments. This is due to the special status of the alternate forms as event-exclusive Pokémon."
But wait a second.. you can get the Rotom formes without any extra events in HGSS (it's in Silph Co., not sure if you need to beat Red or anything), and I assume that the 2010 tourney from what I've heard uses HGSS only. So they're not really all that event-exclusive..? I think there might be some rewording needed here... ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 06:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:Has the 2010 rules list been released yet? It could have been updated now that the formes are all for the taking. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
::Just checked the banlist (somewhere on [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/wcs0910/game/reg.html here]), the only Pokémon that are banned are Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Deoxys, Phione, Manaphy, Darkrai, Shaymin and Arceus. So, I'm assuming that it's legal to use the Rotom formes.. I'm not really good with wording things though, more of a typo fixer, so uh... can someone change that on the page? ;; ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 17:38, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
== In explorers of sky... ==

Alright. Pokémon mystery dungeon explorers of sky was released after platinum was, right? Well, I was wondering if there is any way to change its rotom's form in explorers of sky. If anybody knows anything about that, it would help. Thanks! {{unsigned|Luke6256}}

== Multiple Rotom ==

Could someone bring mutliple Rotom and appliance them or is it only one at a time? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 04:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:Multiple Rotom can be in different formes at the same time (If you have multiple Rotom in your party it will ask which one you want to go into the appliance), but you can only have one of each forme at a time. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:18, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== Roton ==
Under Rotom's orgin it should probably be listed that its based on the quasi particle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roton.{{unsigned|Juron}}
:That is probably just coincidence, given that it's name is "motor" backwards. While it could be true that seems a bit of stretch, and Rotom doesn't really look like a quasi particle. Also a roton is probably called something different in Japanese. In future please add new discussion topics to the bottom of the talkpage.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 10:39, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Egg Moves ==
Does Rotom have any? If it doesn't, shouldn't there be a "Egg Moves" section that says "none" {{unsigned|Malake256}}

:Please {{BP|signature policy|sign your comments}} using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
:And no, Rotom cannot breed, so it does not have any egg moves. We don't add an Egg Moves section for Pokémon that cannot be bred. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 06:06, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::But I bred one!! Have you even tried breeding him?? ~[[User:Takharii|Takhar]][[User talk:Takharii|eon]] 07:17, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:::You can breed Rotom, it is just that they don't have any egg moves that can be compatibly passed down through the parents. So therefore no egg moves, maybe in a later Generation though. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 10:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks alot :( I got in trouble for deleting the egg moves section on pokemon that can't breed. Rotom can breed and has no egg moves, it should have a section under moves learned thatrReads "By Breeding/none." {{unsigned|Malake256}}
::You say Rotom can breed, but if only one is available, then how? Because some species cannot breed with Ditto. Though this is mainly legendary species, I think there are some non-legendary Pokémon that cannot either. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 12:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, Rotom can breed with Ditto. The only Pokémon that can't are Legendaries (aside from {{p|Manaphy}}) and, if I'm not mistaken, {{tt|{{p|Nidorina}} and {{p|Nidoqueen}}|I think...}}. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 12:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::...and Baby Pokémon ({{p|Pichu}}, {{p|Riolu}}, {{p|Munchlax}} etc). [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 12:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::The reason for that is egg group, not their legendary/baby status Rotom is in the {{egg|Indeterminate}} egg group, but can only breed with Ditto as it is genderless, while those that can't breed even with Ditto are in the {{egg|No eggs}} egg group. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:33, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Caption ==

Normal Roton just says "Artwork of Normal Rotom from". Can someone fix that? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 19:13, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Forced reversion ==

It would be helpful and informative to list all the ways Rotom can be reverted back to normal forme and be stripped of its forme-specific move. I know for certain using Rotom in the Soul Silver Battle Frontier reverts him to his regular forme, and I am not sure but I believe taking Rotom into the union room also changes him back to normal. Does anyone know all the causes for this? Should this be added on the page? {{u|Podunk}}
:Please remember to add new sections to the '''bottom''' of the talk page. And sign your comments with four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~).</nowiki>--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 22:37, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Manga pics being added ==

So I'm adding the Pics of Rotom as it appears in the manga (YES I got them from Serebii...but theres a bunch of pics from there...so sue me...)

and I was wondering that when I was done they could add them to the article and make it so that it changes forms along with the game and anime artwork ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC))

Also I am done adding the pics (they are to be replaced with better versions when available)

([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC))

must I always be ignored?... [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:07, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
I can do it if you tell me where they are.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:NewFiles&until=20100803105022

on this page and thanks... [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:31, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:I would advise against adding images from Serebii. He gets pissed if we take his stuff. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

and yet there are a million of them uploaded... also wash and Fan rotom I got from the site.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
::Wait so should I add them?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Add it for now. But I would like to remind everyone that taking images from Serebii is a huge no-no, and I expect these images to be replaced by your own scans in the future. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 22:31, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

==Evolution section==
I raised the complaint on another page that Pokémon which change forme rather than evolving ought to have this section renamed. But this one has an added problem: Can Rotom really change directly from, say, Mow Form to Fan Form? I thought it had to exit the device it was already in first, in which case we should use a template more like that of {{p|Eevee}} and its evolutions, with the forms all changing between Normal and the specialized forms. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 16:07, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:In Platinum at least it can go straight from one to another without the need to manually revert it to normal first. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
::Okay. My bad. I thought I had heard otherwise. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:21, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Can go straight from one to the other on HGSS too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:01, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== generation v ==

Can we add to the page in the physiology section that Rotom's room in black/white is in the department store? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 14:57, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 18:50, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== Add To Trivia? ==

Should I add to the trivia that if you spell 'rotom' backwards you get 'motor' or is that in the name origin that I didn't read? [[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan brendan lucas]] 10:43, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's already in the name origin section. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:08, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Black/White Location (Edit Request) ==

{{Availability|
type=electric |
type2={{#switch: {{#time: w}}|0|6=Ghost|1=Fire|2=Water|3=Ice|4=Flying|5=Grass}}|
gen=4 |
dprarity=One |
dparea=TV in [[Old Chateau]] ([[Time|Night]] only, after obtaining [[National Pokédex]]) |
ptrarity=One |
ptarea=TV in [[Old Chateau]] ([[Time|Night]] only) |
hgssex=dppt|
hgssarea=[[Trade]] |
bwrarity=One |
bwarea={{rt|15|Unova}} ([[Trade]] {{p|Ditto}})|
}}
'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:01, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

== Intro ==

I didn't want to just add this so soon after being unprotected, but I propose a cleanup of the messy intro:

While it is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon, it has the ability to possess the motors of certain appliances and [[form differences#Rotom|change forms]].
*When it does not possess an appliance, it is Normal Rotom, and is {{2t|Electric|Ghost}}
*When it possesses a {{wp|microwave oven}} it becomes Heat Rotom, and is {{2t|Electric|Fire}}
*When it possesses a {{wp|washing machine}} it becomes Wash Rotom, and is {{2t|Electric|Water}}
*When it possesses a {{wp|refrigerator}} it becomes Frost Rotom, and is {{2t|Electric|Ice}}
*When it possesses a {{wp|mechanical fan|rotary fan}} it becomes Fan Rotom, and is {{2t|Electric|Flying}}
*When it possesses a {{wp|lawn mower}} it becomes Mow Rotom, and is {{2t|Electric|Grass}}.

In Generation IV, it was {{2t|Electric|Ghost}} regardless of its form.

'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 06:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

::Shouldn't the last sentence be "In Generation V..."? -[[User:Random Disinformation|Random Disinformation]] ([[User talk:Random Disinformation|talk]]) 21:38, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

== Trivia Correction? ==

"While some other Pokémon with alternate forms have different base stat distributions in their other forms, Rotom is the only Pokémon whose alternate forms have a different base stat total than that of the original form."

Doesn't Darmanitan's forms also have different base stat totals? --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 21:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

:Yes, it does. Thanks for pointing that out! :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Wanna chat?]])'' 21:18, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

== Fan Rotom ==

If the opponent uses a {{type|Ground}} move against a Fan Rotom holding an [[Air Balloon]] ([[Generation V]] only), provided {{m|Gastro Acid}}, {{m|Gravity}}, etc. are not used. what will the message be? Will it say that it did not affect Rotom, Rotom makes Ground moves miss with {{a|Levitate}}, or what? This doesn't really matter, and isn't related to the topic at all, but why doesn't Bulbapedia have an icon next to the site name that appears on the browser (on Mozilla Firefox)? {{unsigned|Enervation}}
:It says "It doesn't affect Rotom...". The loss of favicon (that icon you are referring to) is due to the server restructure, and we are working on fixing it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:44, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

== Rotom's sprite in DP ==

I think the cell for Rotom's DP sprite in the sprite table should be given a rowspan of 5 in its coding, to combine it into one long vertical cell alongside the six in Platinum and HGSS. This will make it visually clear there is only one sprite for Rotom in the Generation IV pilot games, rather than pushing it up to the top of each generational row and leaving an empty space below. What do you think? P.S. Taking a look at the HTML for the sprite table doesn't seem to show any way the rowspan of any sprite can be modified, so I'd be curious to know more. [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 09:13, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

== Why are its Formes treated as Individual Pokemons? ==

According to the trivia placed by editors, they consider each one of Rotom's formes as an individual Pokemon. (eg. Mow Rotom is the only Pokemon to have Grass-Electric type combination?) Discuss. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] 11:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
:It isn't. It's just saying that Mow (forme) rotom is the only Grass/Electric type. It's like the {{p|Arceus}} (or {{t|Poison}}; one of them) saying Poison form Arceus is the only poison type legendary.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
:: Thanks for responding. I know what you mean but the way its written makes it seem like we're treating the formes like individual Pokemons though(eg.Mow Rotom is the only Grass-type ''Pokémon''?..). That's the impression that I'm getting when I first read it but I do know that its not completely true. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] 09:58, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Pokemon Special ==

Should it be noted that Rotom is apparently considered a Legendary in Pokemon Special? I haven't read the Platinum chapter yet, but it shows Rotom in silhouette with the other Sinnoh Legendaries that Charon is after. [[User:Pokemega32|Pokemega32]] 22:21, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
:Given that it's Charon, it's quite possible he was pursuing Sinnoh legendary Pokémon and Rotom. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
::I don't see why we should assume that. Charon and the Association President both just say he's searching for the Legendary Pokemon of Sinnoh. Charon never even directly interacts with Rotom in the manga outside of it attacking him at the end to destroy his machine, so it's not like he considers it special. [[User:Pokemega32|Pokemega32]] 10:18, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

== Levitate Info ==
At the type effectiveness box of pokemon with the ability Levitate, the following is written:

Notes:
If Gravity is in effect, the Pokémon is given an Iron Ball, the opponent has the Ability Mold Breaker, Turboblaze or Teravolt, or it is affected by Gastro Acid, Skill Swap*, Entrainment*, Worry Seed, Simple Beam or Smack Down, the effectiveness of Ground-type moves is 2×.

So, I wondered if someone could edit the part above and make it look like this:

If Gravity is in effect, the Pokémon is given an Iron Ball '''or uses a contact move and hits an opponent with the ability Mummy''', the opponent has the Ability Mold Breaker, Turboblaze or Teravolt, or it is affected by Gastro Acid, Skill Swap*, Entrainment*, Worry Seed, Simple Beam or Smack Down, the effectiveness of Ground-type moves is 2×.--[[User:Rabitsd|Rabitsd]] ([[User talk:Rabitsd|talk]]) 12:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
:That makes sense, but I don't really have the authority to add that... [[User:KyuremsIceBlade|KyuremsIceBlade]] ([[User talk:KyuremsIceBlade|talk]]) 23:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

== Rotom's Room only appears for the original Old Chateau rotom ==

I traded a Rotom from a friend and bred it to get a Level 1 Rotom, which I tried taking to Silph Co. in HeartGold as the first Pokémon in my party, but the counter lady, elevator guard and Steven were all still there, and I couldn't get into the elevator. Either this is a glitch or Rotom's Room is only accessible to the original Rotom from Old Chateau. [[User:Zywxn|Zywxn]] 12:42, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

== PWT type-expert. Worth noting in trivia? ==

Just wondering if it was worth noting in the trivia that because of it's form/type changing, Rotom can enter more Type Specialist tournaments at the PWT than any other pokemon, at 7. In fact I think it's the only pokemon that can enter more than 2. [[User:Magentaman|Magentaman]] ([[User talk:Magentaman|talk]]) 18:32, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Black City

2011-10-12T17:55:22Z

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==Mother reference==
Black city resembles a cross of Moonslide from Earth bound and New Pork City from Mother 3, and White forest looks like the Sunshine forest also from Mother 3. Possibly useful for trivia?
[[User:Ghost chimera|Ghost chimera]] 08:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
:No, because minor visual similarities like this really aren't notable. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:28, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== Mistreatment ==

It's really annoying how Bulbapedia treats Black City as a normal city and always groups it with other cities. This doesn't fit this place's real role at all. And it fails to present the most important thing - that Black City is a counterpart to White Forest. It's really nosense to group Black City with cities/towns just because it has "City" in the name. It's actually a dungeon, like White Forest. Black City and White Forest belong together. The current treatment of Black City really, really bugs me. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== What happens without any people? ==
Back when I played Black in Japanese when it came out, I took ages to get to Black City, and so by the time I got there, everything was gone. Even the Market. All that was there was the Pokemon Center and the odd unenterable buildings in the top left. Yet when I tried to edit the article to show this, I got reverted by Han Ji-Wan. There obviously is some way to not have a market, as the guide shows a Black City without one (page 208), and I had a Black City without a market for 5 months or so. So I guess, could anyone confirm what makes the market disappear and edit the article accordingly? I've tried time travelling just now but can't seem to empty out the city for some reason. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 03:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:Whoops. My bad. I just undid your edit without thinking. I apologize for that. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:05, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
::Ah, alright, thanks. Ignore the first part of my newest edit summary then, sorry, I didn't see you had reverted. Would be a bit pointless for there to be a market that didn't sell anything because there was nobody visiting though, I guess. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 04:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:::See I don't think this is all true as I came into the City with three trainers and still no market.--[[User:Random Disinformation|Random Disinformation]] 22:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::::So what exactly is not true? My original point was that there were times when there is no market, which seems to also be your point. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 13:05, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::The article says when you have one or more trainers that the market appears. I have entered the city with 3 trainers. No Market. I am trying to find out how to unlock the Market.--[[User:Random Disinformation|Random Disinformation]] 18:52, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Ah, derp. Didn't notice that. How's this, since we don't know the exact number at the moment? If it helps, the game of mine with the least amount of trainers currently has eight trainers and has the market. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 20:44, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Cool. I will update when I find out how many trainers it takes. Don't know how long that will take though, as I don't know anyone here with the White Version.--[[User:Random Disinformation|Random Disinformation]] 20:52, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::::I added NPCs one by one and the market appears with 4 or more NPCs.
::::::::[[User:Nuzzle|Nuzzle]] 00:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::Sweet, thanks. I haven't been able to find someone that I can do all this with yet.--[[User:Random Disinformation|Random Disinformation]] 17:55, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

== Number of residents not accurate ==

"The number of residents can vary between 12 (minimum occupancy) and 45 (maximum occupancy), 12 of them being Trainers at the maximum."

That is patently false. The minimum number of residents is 0, plain and simple, as demonstrated by the previous comments. I have no idea where the 12 comes from but I have 0 residents and I have seen on the internet a lot of reports of 3-11 residents.

Also, it would be great to indicate that the number of people in the city '''decreases''' over time, rather than increasing as one would assume from the current formulation.

[[User:Magicguigz|Magicguigz]] 19:31, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
:The twelve comes from counting the people there when there are no visiting trainers. If as you say there were 0, even the Pokémon Center would be empty. Also, there can be between 0-10 visiting trainers, never 11. And it doesn't seem to make me think it increases, since usually any min-max is listed that same way, minimum then maximum, though that could be just my opinion. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 21:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
::Bluesun is correct. The 12 people number are the ones that are permanent, such as the Pokemon Center and the gate buildings. However, I don't know anything about it decreasing/increasing over time because I don't have Black Version yet. I will fix it if it is wrong once I get Black. :] [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:22, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

== Missing Some Trainers ==

Hello! I just want to start off by asking if anyone can add the male Ace Trainer with the Magmortar? I don't know how...

Second, when my game's season changed to Winter, I lost a bunch of trainers and the mall, and the buildings in town changed dramatically. I didn't get the chance to visit my brother's White Forest last month to try inviting more trainers- is that the reason? Now it's Spring, and Black City hasn't changed. I still only have Staraptor guy, Porygon-Z dude, and Nursery Aide Miho. (Who thinks a Shiftry is cute? Seriously!) By the way, after I had talked to every trainer in my bro's White Forest during our games' Autumn month, I had a total of only 9 trainers outside. What am I supposed to do? --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 23:05, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
:You keep talking to them. If you don't talk to them and battle them, they gradually go away. And to add a trainer, we need to know direct stats: trainer's name, and gender and level of his Magmortar. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:16, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay. As soon as I see him again (if someone else doesn't beat me to it) I'll let you know. I don't have him right now. Nice to meet you! ;) --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 01:48, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, someone beat me to it, after all. Eh, no biggy. I mean it never really mattered to me who put it up. I just want pages to be complete. I'll keep my eye out for any unmentioned trainers. --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 15:23, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

WAIT! I have one already! I battled him way earlier this morning so I don't know the prize money yet, but I have other info. Scientist Jacques, Nidoqueen lv. 50. --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 18:12, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and he uses Dire Hit at the beginning of every battle. --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 18:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I have it. He rewards you 2400 when you beat him. --[[User:Jade 2010|Green Jade]] 18:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

== Order of Trainers ==

There seems to be no logical order to the trainer list. Alphabetical, or maybe alphabetical by trainer class, or by the level of their Pokémon? It would also be handy to have the items associated with each trainer next to their info. [[User:Geekvixen|Geekvixen]] 22:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:Their trainer order is listed how the in-game text arranged their spoken lines. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:34, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

== Pokécam ==
Pokécam!!!! i have only got 5 traners and people and my city is not changeing at all it stays the same i have done the money thing is well but i cant buy stones why i want one {{unsigned|Pokecam!!!!}}

[[User:Pokecam!!!!|Pokecam!!!!]] 11:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC) i need help i have only 5 traners and my city do not change and i whant to buy stones but i cant i done the money thing form the guy but it takes me days to do help pls

:The trainers do not change except to leave Black City if you don't talk/battle them once a day. As for stones, you simply do not have the trainers that produce them. And you sign with <nowiki>~~~~, not {{welcome}}.</nowiki> [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

i know but i have beten 25 people but 5 a day each the same and why does my city not change i have talked to them each day i whant new people and i have not got white so i do i do it? pls help {{unsigned|Pokecam!!!!}}

my city dose not change help help help i whant it to change i got there in 2 days(playing wise) didt play for 2 days then played and completed and only got 5 trainers grrrr i got there in 2 days technicly so why and it does not change why help now pls {{unsigned|Pokecam!!!!}}

:It doesn't matter how many times you beat the trainers. The only way to get new trainers is hooking up with someone who has White and trainers in their White Forest. There really is no other way of doing it. The city only worsens on its own, not gets better. And signing your comments after you post isn't the want to do it; it messes up the timestamp. So make sure you sign them before you post your talk page comments. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:07, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

[[User:Pokecam!!!!|Pokecam!!!!]] 12:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC) better ok so why does the city not change a guy says it changes dayily and looks like a creacher so why dont mine is it to do with the sessons sorry cant spell [[User:Pokecam!!!!|Pokecam!!!!]] 12:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

:It can change daily through people leaving, and through obtaining people through White. When someone comes or goes, the city itself changes, with more or less buildings because of it. Also, the trainers become rebattleable each day, which is sort of a change. Also that you got there and there were only 5 people left would mean that the game thought you took 6 days or more to get there, and it does count days you don't play. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 12:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::The ten trainers you get when you start the game are random. They all have set disappearing rates. If you /really/ got to Black City in 2 days, you should have ten trainers, because they don't start leaving until day four at the earliest (of real-life time; the countdown starts when you first turn the game on, and goes by the DS time system). And it doesn't change daily. It only changes if you ignore the trainers for too long and the trainers begin to disappear. So yeah, what blusun said. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 12:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
== What do you men by number of days?==
total play time in hours or lets say I starterted on june 13 and finished on the 20th. and if the second, does the population increase as time goes by, or does it decrease? Please help me!! [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 17:28, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
:Days since you begun the game, as in, there are ten people on the 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, some people leave, 17th, 18th, some people leave, 19th, 20th, you arrive. I don't know why everyone gets confused by it but people never come to the City without Entralinking with another game. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:39, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Liberty Pass

2011-06-03T23:04:32Z

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== English Name ==
Is Liberty Pass, as seen [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Draft:UK_Victini_Event_Announced here.] [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 02:00, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

== Liberty Pass promotion end ==

Why does the North American time frame not have an end date. The Pass is no longer being given out. At least, it isn't available on my game. Wish it were though.

Talk:Black City

2011-05-20T20:52:15Z

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Talk:Black City

2011-05-20T18:52:57Z

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Talk:Black City

2011-05-18T22:58:19Z

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