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== List of all two-Pokemon combinations ==
Aerodactyl + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Aggron + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Articuno + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Bibarel + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina(Origin), Hooh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory, Togekiss,
Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos

Blastoise + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Blaziken + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Buizel + Giratina (Origin)

Carvanha + Giratina (Origin)

Charizard + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Kabutops, Ludicolo, Omastar, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Suicune, Swampert

Chimchar + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Clamperl + Giratina (Origin)

Corphish + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Crawdaunt + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Croconaw + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Darkrai + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Dewgong + Giratina (Origin)

Dragonair + Giratina (Origin)

Dragonite + Aggron, Bibarel, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Origin), Grotle, Groudon, Infernape, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Meganium, Monferno, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile, Slaking, Steelix, Suicune, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Venusaur, Vigoroth, Vigoroth

Drapion + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Dratini + Giratina (Origin)

Drifblim + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Ludicolo, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Swampert

Empoleon + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory, Togekiss,
Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos

Entei + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Exploud + Latias, Latios

Farfetch'd + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Ludicolo, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Swampert

Feebas + Giratina (Origin)

Feraligatr + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory,
Togekiss, Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos

Finneon + Giratina (Origin)

Floatzel + Giratina (Origin)

Flygon + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Gabite + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Garchomp + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Gastrodon + Giratina (Origin)

Gible + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Giratina (Altered) + Bibarel, Corphish, Crawdaunt, Croconaw, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Latias, Latios, Pinsir, Prinplup, Suicune, Tentacool, Tentacruel, Totodile, Totodile

Giratina (Origin) + Azumarill, Azurill, Barboach, Bibarel, Blastoise, Buizel, Carvanha, Clamperl, Corphish, Crawdaunt, Croconaw, Dewgong, Dragonair, Dragonite, Dratini, Empoleon, Feebas, Feraligatr, Finneon,
Floatzel, Gastrodon, Goldeen, Golduck, Gorebyss, Gyarados, Horsea, Huntail, Kabuto, Kabutops, Kingdra, Kyogre, Lanturn, Lapras, Latias, Latios, Lombre, Ludicolo, Lugia, Lumineon, Luvdisc, Manaphy, Mantine,
Mantyke, Marill, Marshtomp, Milotic, Mudkip, Omanyte, Omastar, Phione, Pinsir, Politoed, Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Poliwrath, Prinplup, Psyduck, Quagsire, Rayquaza, Relicanth, Remoraid, Seadra, Seaking, Sealeo, Seel,
Sharpedo, Spheal, Squirtle, Starmie, Staryu, Suicune, Swampert, Tentacool, Tentacruel, Totodile, Vaporeon, Wailmer, Wailord, Walrein, Wartortle, Whiscash, Whiscash

Goldeen + Giratina (Origin)

Golduck + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Gorebyss + Giratina (Origin)

Grotle + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Groudon + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Gyarados + Giratina (Origin)

Hariyama + Latias, Latios

Ho-oh + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Horsea + Giratina (Origin)

Huntail + Giratina (Origin)

Infernape + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Kabuto + Giratina (Origin)

Kabutops + Aerodactyl, Charizard, Dragonite, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Lugia, Rayquaza, Salamence, Tropius, Vibrava, Tropius, Vibrava

Kangaskhan + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Kingdra + Giratina (Origin)

Kyogre + Giratina (Origin)

Lanturn + Giratina (Origin)

Lapras + Giratina (Origin)

Latias + Aggron, Bibarel, Blastoise, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Exploud, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Golduck, Grotle, Groudon, Hariyama,
Infernape, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Ludicolo, Makuhita, Meganium, Monferno, Munchlax, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile,
Slaking, Snorlax, Steelix, Swampert, Tauros, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Venusaur, Vigoroth, Venusaur, Vigoroth

Latios + Aggron, Bibarel, Blastoise, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Exploud, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Golduck, Grotle, Groudon, Hariyama,
Infernape, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Ludicolo, Makuhita, Meganium, Monferno, Munchlax, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile,
Slaking, Snorlax, Steelix, Swampert, Tauros, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring, Venusaur, Vigoroth, Venusaur, Vigoroth

Lickilicky + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Lickitung + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Lombre + Giratina (Origin)

Ludicolo + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Lugia + Aggron, Bibarel, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Origin), Grotle, Groudon, Infernape, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung,
Meganium, Monferno, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile, Slaking, Steelix, Suicune, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring,
Venusaur, Vigoroth, Vigoroth

Lumineon + Giratina (Origin)

Luvdisc + Giratina (Origin)

Makuhita + Latias, Latios

Manaphy + Giratina (Origin)

Mantine + Giratina (Origin)

Mantyke + Giratina (Origin)

Marill + Giratina (Origin)

Marshtomp + Giratina (Origin)

Meganium + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Milotic + Giratina (Origin)

Moltres + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Monferno + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Mudkip + Giratina (Origin)

Munchlax + Latias, Latios

Nidoking + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Nidoqueen + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Omanyte + Giratina (Origin)

Omastar + Charizard, Giratina (Origin), Salamence, Tropius, Tropius

Pelipper + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Phione + Giratina (Origin)

Pinsir + Aerodactyl, Articuno, Charizard, Dragonite, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Moltres, Pelipper, Rayquaza, Salamence, Skarmory, Togekiss,
Togetic, Tropius, Vibrava, Zapdos, Vibrava, Zapdos

Politoed + Giratina (Origin)

Poliwag + Giratina (Origin)

Poliwhirl + Giratina (Origin)

Poliwrath + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Prinplup + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Psyduck + Giratina (Origin)

Quagsire + Giratina (Origin)

Raikou + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Rampardos + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Rayquaza + Aggron, Bibarel, Blaziken, Chimchar, Darkrai, Drapion, Empoleon, Entei, Feraligatr, Gabite, Garchomp, Gible, Giratina (Origin), Grotle, Groudon, Infernape, Kabutops, Kangaskhan, Lickilicky, Lickitung,
Meganium, Monferno, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Pinsir, Raikou, Rampardos, Rhydon, Rhyperior, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sceptile, Slaking, Steelix, Suicune, Torterra, Toxicroak, Turtwig, Typhlosion, Tyranitar, Ursaring,
Venusaur, Vigoroth, Vigoroth

Relicanth + Giratina (Origin)

Remoraid + Giratina (Origin)

Rhydon + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Rhyperior + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Salamence + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Kabutops, Ludicolo, Omastar, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Suicune, Swampert

Sandshrew + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Sandslash + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Sceptile + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Seadra + Giratina (Origin)

Seaking + Giratina (Origin)

Sealeo + Giratina (Origin)

Seel + Giratina (Origin)

Sharpedo + Giratina (Origin)

Skarmory + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Ludicolo, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Swampert

Slaking + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Snorlax + Latias, Latios

Spheal + Giratina (Origin)

Squirtle + Giratina (Origin)

Starmie + Giratina (Origin)

Staryu + Giratina (Origin)

Steelix + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Suicune + Aerodactyl, Charizard, Dragonite, Flygon, Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Ho-oh, Lugia, Rayquaza, Salamence, Tropius, Vibrava, Tropius, Vibrava

Swampert + Charizard, Drifblim, Farfetch'd, Giratina (Origin), Latias, Latios, Salamence, Skarmory, Tropius, Tropius

Tauros + Latias, Latios

Tentacool + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Tentacruel + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Togekiss + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Togetic + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

Torterra + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Totodile + Giratina (Altered), Giratina (Origin), Giratina (Origin)

Toxicroak + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Tropius + Bibarel, Blastoise, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Golduck, Kabutops, Ludicolo, Omastar, Pinsir, Poliwrath, Suicune, Swampert

Turtwig + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Typhlosion + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Tyranitar + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Ursaring + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Vaporeon + Giratina (Origin)

Venusaur + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Vibrava + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Kabutops, Pinsir, Suicune

Vigoroth + Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Rayquaza

Wailmer + Giratina (Origin)

Wailord + Giratina (Origin)

Walrein + Giratina (Origin)

Wartortle + Giratina (Origin)

Whiscash + Giratina (Origin)

Zapdos + Bibarel, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Pinsir

You all may do with this as you wish. [[User:Skandranonsg|Skandranonsg]] 18:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

:For HGSS, Tentacruel+Psyduck give you everything but Fly. Fly is a decent enough move that you probably have it on one of your other Pokémon anyway, and Tentacruel and Psyduck aren't damn-near-impossible to obtain like most of these are. I'd hazard that Psyduck can also learn Teleport or Dig (can you buy those as TMs?), which would get you back to a Pokémon centre, where you can then switch for someone that can fly. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 07:12, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

== Best mules? ==
I didn't know if this was worth mentioning or not (sorry if it isn't) but after a little research I've always used Golduck and Tropius. Between the two of them they can learn all 8 HMs, which only takes up two slots with no switching. {{unsigned|Ndoki}}

:I had the same with the Tropius-Tentacruel duo, which I found pretty much by chance. For this reason I transferred a random Tropius to my Leaf Green later on.
:For a pokémon to team up well with Tropius you only need a water pokémon that can learn all water HMs plus one other HM, so with a little research on Bulbapedia I found another good amount of candidates in Hoenn. I excluded starters and legendaries.
:*'''Water HMs + cut''': Tentacool &up, Crawdaunt
:*'''Water HMs + strength''': Psyduck &up, Gyarados, Maril &up, Quagsire (Emerald), Sharpedo, Wailmer &up, Wishcash, Crawdaunt, Spheal &up.
:*'''Water HMs + flash''': Psyduck &up, Staryu &up, Chinchou &up, Wooper &up (Emerald), Lotad &up (Saphire and Emerald)
:*'''Water HMs + rock smash''': Psyduck &up, Gyarados, Maril &up, Wooper &up (Emerald), Lombre &up (Saphire and Emerald), Sharpedo, Wailmer &up, Wishcash, Crawdaunt, Spheal &up, Relicanth.
:So as you see, it might be more useful to make a list of water pokémon that ''don't'' make a perfect team with Tropius in Hoenn. By the way, you don't have the HM Dive in Fire Red and Leaf Green, so if you have a Tropius there, you can choose to use your {{TM|28|Dig}} on a water pokémon like Psyduck, Slowpoke, Poliwhirl or Krabby as your second slave.
:And from what I can tell from the current list, Bibarel and Skarmory make a good combo for HMs in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. --[[User:Spenvdm|Spenvdm]] 18:43, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Topic ==
can anyone give me a list of HM mules? {{unsigned|Link-BOX}}
:Depends on what the exact definition is. I know that {{p|Gyarados}} and {{p|Bibarel}} can both learn HMs to fill up their moves. {{p|Mew}}, of course, can. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 18:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::Every Pokémon can be a HM Slave. For example my Yan Long (my female Onix) has 3 HM moves in her moveset: Strength, Rock Climb, Rock Smash. She's nothing more than a HM "mule". I use her only to get through dungeon. Every Pokémon who learns HMs can be a HM Slave, there is no specific list. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that if you want a combination of two Pokémon to have four HMs each to fill out their moveset so that between them you have all eight HMs, Tropius/Chinchou in RSE is one such combination (and Kyogre/Rayquaza), as is Bibarel/Skarmory in DP. And of course, two Mews. -[[User:Rukario448|ルカリオ]] 14:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Also Wailord. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 20:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Page name ==

In the many years I have been online and browsing Pokémon websites, this is the first time I have seen the term "HM Mule" used. In fact, the Google search results display a dramatic difference between the two terms (with omitted results included), HM Slave giving 540 results, and HM Mule giving only 117. And a large number of the latter have little or no relation to Pokémon whatsoever. Wouldn't it make more sense to name the article after the more common term?

<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:System Error|System Error]] 19:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with System Error. I vote we move this page. - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 20:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, as a count from today, "HM Mule" 111 Google hits; "HM Slave" 592, and "HM Bitch" 306. Move page to "HM Slave", and add a redirect page for "HM Bitch" to it?" (This page is also the first time I've seen "HM Mule"; I've previously used the other two terms, with a preference for the latter.) -[[User:Rukario448|ルカリオ]] 14:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

What about HM Whore? I've heard that a lot. So that should be a redirect, shouldn't it?--[[User:Goukazaru|Goukazaru]] 16:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I've only heard of HM slaves, although I (being me) call them HMers, but that's just what I say, but that in google and you get zilch-o. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 16:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the page should be called HM Slaves/Mules, or something???

Although, I personally use HM Monkeys.
Not my decision, though. It's fine if you don't use my suggestion, I don't expect you to.
[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 16:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Defog? ==

Back at my old forums, someone posted something about Defog, calling it another Rapid spin sans damage. He/She/It said that defog could remove Stealth Rocks, Spikes, and other things I can't remember. Everyone seemed to believe said He/She/It, has anyone tested that? [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 16:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, Defog DOES remove Stealth Rock and Spikes. And Toxic Spikes, Light Screen, Reflect, Safeguard, and Mist. On your opponent's side of the battlefield. So yeah. It's bad if you set up Spikes/Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes, but good if your opponent set up anything else. Oh, and obviously it clears fog from the battle. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 01:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

So then why is it considered the 'worst' tm ever.. I remember flash being pretty damn useless.. [[User:Sylari|Sylari]] 21:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

not TM,Hm [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]

I assume because most trainers feel the lowering of one's accuracy is far more frustrating then the removal of spikes. --[[User:The Great Snorlax|The Great Snorlax]] 15:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== Question. ==

Is there ''anything'' besides Mew that can learn all five/seven/eight in a specific generation? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Well, there's {{p|Smeargle}}... in a way. But then he wasn't introduced until [[Generation II]].. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 05:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:There's also {{p|Arceus}} in [[Generation IV]]...[[User:ShadowLugiaEx|ShadowLugiaEx]] 17:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Dragonite ==
Dragonite and Bibarel can learn all of the HM moves between them (although it's a trek to train a Dragonite, but better than using a Lugia). [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 08:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Tropius and Bibarel can also learn them all. Of course, Tropius is tough to find unless you have Platinum or access to Pal Park. {{unsigned|Osiris32}}

== So ==

Opinions on my listing revamp? Should I kill the on-field moves and leave it as HM-only? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

== Disagreement ==

As MAGNEDETH argues in the edit made on December 4 of 2009 about the tables made by me and edited later by TTEchidna (sorry for the awful mess XD TTEchidna's version rules):

"Most HM slaves are incredibly common Pokémon, typically those which can be captured on the first routes of a given game." - these examples are ANYTHING but...

I agree with him in some points, first of all... "Any common pokémon capable of learning HMs can become an HM Slave" yes,
second... "typically those pokémon are captured at the beginning of the game because you need to use this abilities" yes, this is also true, BUT... the purpose of the table mentioned before was to solve the question that almost every pokémon gamer has asked himself at some point of the games, "Wich are the best pokémons in each generation to carry my HMs and Field moves?", the best and logical answer is "the pokémon who can learn the most quantity of HMs per game", obviously you can't left this task to a single pokémon since they can only learn four moves, so the idea is to distribute the HMs and Field Moves of a certain generation onto the minimum amount of HM slaves possible, maybe you'll need several HM slaves at the beginning but at some point of the game you can say "Why not concentrate all those abilities onto the minimum pokémon combination possible? this way I can throw away all those several incredibly common HM slaves that I have".

So, my point is... the tables mentioned before wasn't random examples of what an HM slave can be, or examples of common pokémons (in the meaning of not rare) that can be HM slaves, they are, according to most people, the best pokémons of each generation for being HM Slave (If you don't believe me read other forums); and this tables follows the following rules:

* The tables shows only pokémons capable of perform HMs and field moves.
* The tables shows the pokémons most compatible with HMs and field moves.
* The tables shows only pokémons capable of fill their four moves with HMs and/or field moves.
* This pokémons are combinable in the way that every HM or field move is covered between a minimum combination of pokémons.
* The tables covers and allows to view wich are all the HMs and field moves for every generation.

Obviously there's not exist one unique combination for this, but, for example, if you want to have all the eight field moves of Generation I in the best pokémon combination possible, you know that you need at least 2 HM slaves wich is the minimum of pokémons necesary to cover all the eight field moves (HMs & TMs wich do so), so, instead of investigate wich pokémon can learn wich move and so on, you can check the table, pick two pokémons, compare their possible moves and decide what is the best for you; for that reason I've decided to restore the tables until someone else suggests something better. I'll try to improve the meaning of the tables changing the title "common HM slaves" to something else to not confuse people between "most commonly used pokémons for HM Slaves because of their compability with HMs" than "Examples of Common Pókemons able to be HM Slaves".

Ok, sorry for this huge explanation and sorry for my poor grammar in english (it's not my native language but I'm practicing), I'm just trying to be part and contribute (even a little) with this wonderful community, greetings. -[[User:Daipop|Daipop]] 20:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:I agree that this is a page worth expanding upon. Maybe we limit what we add by having a minimum limit to how many HM or Field moves that Pokemon can have and be included? 6 or more sounds good to me. Any suggestions? --[[User:Fallen Reality|Fallen Reality]] 17:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
::I'm removing Milk Drink and Softboiled since they are specific to very few (1 or 2) Pokemon as soon as Gen 1+2 templates are unlocked. It's pointless to have them on the charts as I see it. --[[User:Fallen Reality|Fallen Reality]] 05:56, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== Update for HGSS? ==
Having looked at the list purely out of interest, i thought it was very DPP centric, *most* of the pokemon are quite difficult to obtain in HGSS.
One suggestion i have that is significantly easier to obtain in HGSS than other games is kangaskhan, available from the first course on the pokewalker, and in this game learns 6/8 HMs and can learn dig as a bonus. Is it worth adding this to the list? Along with others that are possible better fits to HGSS? {{unsigned|Dudemango}}
:The article is known to be incomplete. If you can help expand it, that would be great. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:32, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Farfetch'd?! ==

How's Farfetch'd on the list? It only knows two HMs/field moves, Cut and Fly. So... Should we take it out?--[[User:Valorum27|Valorum27]] 05:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Tentacool ==

Tentacool/cruel can learn Cut plus various Water-type HMs depending on the generation. [[User:Kylegetsspam|Kylegetsspam]] 02:42, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Too Limited ==

I just started a new game in Crystal and found this page. I was very excited when I found it, but very disappointed when I looked at it. My specific situation is that I neet to teach cut to someone, but don't want to just waste a Pokemon with it. I also have flash, so ideally I would teach cut and flash to one Pokemon and that Pokemon could learn another move later. But this list only includes 6 Pokemon, none of which are available to me at this point. And only two can even learn cut (Mew and Bayleef), neither of which will ever be available to me in this game. I think that ideally, this page would be an extensive list of options, rather than a few almost perfect options that are only available late in the game. This would be much more useful for people in my situation if it included every Pokemon that can learn a minimum of three HMs. [[User:Pathock|Pathock]] 22:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:Two things.
:# This article is rather incomplete at the moment.
:# The idea of this article is to list Pokémon which can learn many HM moves. A lot of these aren't available until later in the games, so you may find you need to catch a common low level Pokémon to teach Cut, and then box it later on when you can get something which can learn more HM moves.
:In the mean time, you may find {{DL|Cut (move)|Generation IV|this list}} helpful. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:23, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Late in the game, you don't need very many HMs. You just need things like surf and fly for getting around. It's before you beat the game that you have to worry about covering many HMs with as few Pokemon as possible because you need the space for your real Pokemon. I think that the purpose of this page should be helping people to find good HM slaves, not listing Pokemon that know five or more HMs. That's not even helpful when they can only learn four. By the way, I ended up using Bellsprout because it can learn flash and cut, later teaching surf to Totodile, strength, rock smash, whirlpool, and waterfall to a Psyduck, and then fly to Pidgey. [[User:Pathock|Pathock]] 22:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::I agree with the idea that we should cover Pokémon that people playing the game may need to have early on as well as those that learn a large number. Bellsprout learning flash and cut gets you through the beginning of HGSS but means you need extra Pokémon with you to go anywhere. I have 4 early Pokemon that do nothing more then carry HMs in HG and as many in Pearl. But I do belive that if it were a comprehensive list people could easily see what they wanted or even what to traid over. In HGSS you can get Kangaskhan from a Pokéwalker course at the beginning like I did (2) and potentially teach her HM01,03,04,06,08, & TM28. I would be happy to go through my walkthroughs and add in a choprehensive list to Gen 3&4 if no one objects. [[User:011284mm|011284mm]] 10:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Article Length ==
This page is REALLY long, so I was thinking maybe we could split up the page into 5 different pages for each generation like with the movelists on pokemon pages, would that work? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 19:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:I would prefer to remove the strategy section (i.e. the list of HM slaves) and put it in the mainspace... Same with FEAR. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::I agree, I don't think the list is very useful either. I think the list for FEAR should be kept though. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 09:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
:::So can we mainspace it? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:30, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::I disagree. If someone made the list and other people kept updating it, it's because it's useful. What the hell people? Because it's not useful to you, it doesn't mean that it's not useful to anyone else. I was pissed that I could not find the list, with Gen V pokémons and I still am. ETA : Hey, you are probably right though. A list of pokémons by height, weight, or body style is much more useful than a damn list of pokémons by the HMs they can learn. What the hell was I thinking? [[User:Stoo|Stoo]] 19:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Why no list?! ==

There used to be a list of pokémons with the HMs they could use. I came just for that, hoping to see a list of the Gen V pokémons because I am currently at the beginning of the game, I have never played and I need a mule. That you have removed the list totally sucks and if it could be useful to me, it would probably be for other people too. It was stupid to remove it. [[User:Stoo|Stoo]] 19:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:The list was keeping the page in the Appendix namespace. It is a fact that HM slaves exist. What Pokémon are good HM slaves is not a fact. It is an opinion, and thus does not belong in the mainspace. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:00, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::The list was a list of pokémons along with the HMs they could learn. Those are FACTs. It was a _referrence_ list, not a goddamn opinion. There was nothing in that list pointing to any particular pokémon that hinted that "<== THIS IS A GOOD HM SLAVE!!!1120N3". If I remember correctly, it even contained pokémons that could only learn one or two HMs. So it was NOT an opinion. The list could have been made into another page, but not completely removed. Also, the list cannot be accessed from history, it's been giving a "Connection was reset". [[User:Stoo|Stoo]] 19:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::How about having a list of ONLY those pokemon that can learn at least four HMs (meaning they can have a full set of four HM moves as their moveset)? This would make such pokemon natural HM slaves, and is purely a matter of fact, not opinion or preference. Also, Stoo - you can actually access the list, at least in source form, if you perform a "difference" between the current version and a version that had the list. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 13:26, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I was really hoping to just find a big table for each generation listing which Pokémon can learn which field moves, or which moves can be learned by whom. A list of those that can learn 3 or 4 field moves would be handy too. [[User:HyperHacker|HyperHacker]] 07:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
:::As there is clearly interest in there being a proper list, and nobody has responded to my question in the meantime, I have done up a listing of the Gen V pokemon that can learn 4 or more HMs, as these are rather objectively HM slave candidates, independent of any personal opinion. If it really does offend people to have such a list, revert it, but please first have a quick look and think about any real issues with such a list - I'd rather it not just be removed because someone wasn't even willing to consider changing the rules. (for the record, I was going to construct the list in my userspace and ask for opinions about it that way, but a restriction currently gets in the way). [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 15:25, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::::I'm sorry, but even if there's interest on it, we can't go for it, as that list is subject to biased opinions even as objectively as you can be, which is rather unencylopedic; and given what Bulbapedia is, we cannot allow it. One could see an HM slave where it's not and viceversa, and that'd lead to several Conflict of Interest-related issues, which would be a bad thing for the people involved. And a suggestion, if you wanted to create something in your userspace, you could use the public Sandbox to create it, as long as it's made for potential mainspace use. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 16:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::I would like to again disagree with that assertion - the very definition of HM Slave is a pokemon whose purpose is the carriage of HMs. As such, a pokemon that can carry four HMs is a natural and objective example of a HM Slave. Such a listing is sufficiently restrictive as to prevent it from just being a list of pokemon (that is, a large proportion of pokemon do not satisfy this quality, with about 6% being present in the Gen V list), and of real use for people who come to this page looking for HM Slave ideas. I suppose the question is, is Bulbapedia meant to just be a bland listing of facts, or is it meant to be a useful ''resource''? To me, an encyclopaedia's value is that it is a resource that people can go to when they need information in a convenient and condensed form. I won't re-add the edits I made, but I do ask that this actually be opened up for real discussion, rather than just being blocked and ignored. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 16:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::I can see your point, but the COI still stands as a major obstacle at this. This is widely a target of subjectivism. It depends on how many moves a Pokémon may be able to learn in order to become an HM slave, and which ones are used for such, that might be confusing in the end. Take me for example, I don't see any Pokémon as an HM slave unless they are able to learn ALL HM moves (including region-exclusive ones, such as Dive). Some people would add certain Pokémon because "it's what I use" and then add their favorite Pokémon having a themed series of HMs, such as water-themed HM moves (Surf, Waterfall, Dive), and as such they are an HM slave. That's the one and only thing that prevents me from adding a list, which is subjectivism, it's one of an encyclopedia's worst enemies (I hope I never find a, say... right-winged biased encyclopedia --Actually, there is, Conservapedia--, or for example an encyclopedia that ignores the Armenian genocide), but you're welcome to try and get a consensus, though I can't really assure you that the list will be made anyway. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::See, that's why I specifically didn't title the section "List of HM Slaves". If the list purports to be a list of pokemon that are "good" as HM Slaves, then it's definitely subjective. But if the list is specifically of "pokemon learning X or more HMs", then it's rather clear what it describes.
:::::::What if, instead, it was a list of pokemon by the number of HMs that they can learn? There are quite a few lists on bulbapedia of pokemon by height, weight, type, ability, etc, etc, etc. Basically, it would have a list for each game set (RSE, DPPt, HGSS, etc), with a column for "total number of HMs" and then columns for each HM. Since every pokemon would be on the list, and it would contain nothing but facts, it wouldn't be at all subjective. It could also provide information on where the pokemon is first obtainable (if at all) within that game set, thus making it a useful resource for people playing the game. It would be on a separate page, though, and just linked to from this page, since it's not a list of HM Slaves at all. (I'll be happy to do all the legwork in making the full lists, if necessary) [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 10:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

== Image ==

The [[media:HM_Slave_Bibarel.png|image]] used in this article depicts a level 100 Shiny Bibarel caught in a Cherish Ball as an example of an 'HM Slave', which somewhat implies that it has been cheated into the game. Although this screenshot technically meets the requirements set by the Manual of Style (on the Bulbagarden Archives), I think that this image should be replaced by one where the Pokemon in question appears to be legitimately obtained. (although given that the term "HM Slave" is fanon, and the presumed obscurity of the said page, I understand that this may not be necessary) 05:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Cry

2012-01-04T01:50:54Z

Pikabuddy II: preventing repetitive context

:''Cry redirects here. If you were looking for the move, see {{m|Growl}}.''

[[File:Regigigas cry.png|frame|The cry of {{p|Regigigas}}, as seen on the [[Pokédex]]]]
A Pokémon's '''cry''' (Japanese: '''なきごえ''' ''cry'') is the sound it makes. In most of the franchise's interpretations, this is only its name and various phrases derived from its name. However, there are several instances of [[talking Pokémon]].

==In the games==
When a Pokémon is released from its [[Poké Ball]], it will call out its cry, which consists of an electronically made "noise". It will also cry out when using certain moves, such as {{m|Growl}}, {{m|Roar}}, and {{m|Hyper Voice}}. If the Pokémon faints or comes into [[Pokémon battle|battle]] when injured during [[Generation III]] and later, the cry will sound, but it will be altered slightly. The cry is also changed noticeably when a Pokémon is sent into a battle with a [[status ailment]]. Pokémon with [[evolution]]ary relations to each other (such as {{p|Charmander}} and {{p|Charmeleon}}) will often have notably similar cries, though others may sound very different (such as {{p|Kirlia}} and {{p|Gallade}}).

In the wild, cries of the Pokémon found in the player's current location can occasionally be heard in the [[Generation III]] [[Hoenn]]- and [[Kanto]]-based games. Also, if the player's first Pokémon in his or her [[party]] has the [[ability]] {{a|Swarm}}, then these cries will be more common than before.

In the Pokémon Stadium series, Pokémon's cries were altered from their Game Boy versions in order to better take advantage of the Nintendo 64's greater level of processing and data storage, though some of these cries resemble the Game Boy versions closely. This was not carried over into later console battle games, which use the same cries as the handheld versions.

==In the anime==
Most Pokémon will only say their names, and will communicate using those syllables. For example, [[Ash's Pikachu]] has been known to use the three syllables in the word "Pikachu" in various combinations to refer to several characters, including {{Ash}} (''Pikapi''), {{an|Misty}} (''PiKachupi''), {{an|Brock}} (''PikaChu''), {{an|Dawn}} (''Pikaka''), {{TP|Misty|Togepi}} (''Pipipi''), [[Team Rocket]] (''Pipikachu''), {{AP|Bulbasaur}} (''Pikakapika'') and "My name is Pikachu" (''Pika, Pikachu'').

Due to Pokémon being dubbed, sometimes, the original cry of a Pokémon is preserved in the anime, more often than not if the name is either similar or the same in Japanese and English. An example of this would be {{p|Charizard}}, which can, if listened to closely enough, be heard to cry out ''Lizardon'' instead. Likewise, all {{p|Onix}} can be heard to cry out ''Iwark''. {{p|Krabby}}'s and {{p|Kingler}}'s cry, which sounds similar to "cookie", is sometimes used as an internet meme. Also, Wooper's cry sounds like "Upah!" which is its Japanese name, ''Upah''.

Some Pokémon's cries, such as those of {{p|Victreebel}}, {{p|Porygon}}, {{p|Starmie}} and {{p|Staryu}}, are entirely unrelated to their names in any language. For example, Victreebel makes a screeching sound while Staryu has a cry that sounds like a fast, echoing male scream.

== Trivia ==
* Two pairs of [[Generation I]] Pokémon share the same cry, despite not being related by evolution. These are:
** {{p|Charizard}} and {{p|Rhyhorn}}
** {{p|Poliwag}} and {{p|Ditto}}






* While the cry of several other Generation I Pokémon may seem the same, they are merely alike, as they have differences in pitch.
*{{p|Shaymin}}'s Sky Forme and Land Forme have different cries, making it the first Pokémon to have different cries for different forms.
* {{p|Pikachu}} is the only Pokémon to have its cry changed without changing forms. In {{game|Yellow}}, Pikachu's cry is actually provided by [[Ikue Ohtani]]. This is also the case if the {{pkmn2|starter}} Pikachu from Yellow is brought to battle in {{eng|Pokémon Stadium}} or [[Pokémon Stadium 2]].
* From [[Generation II]] onwards, possibly due to improved technology, very few Pokémon were released with cries similar to another; those that do have similar cries are usually related by [[evolution]] as they were in Generation I. As the generations continue to pass, the calls of new Pokémon seem much cleaner and more refined, while the cries of Pokémon released in previous generations, in comparison, sound more like the electronic beeps they are. In particular, the cries of Pokémon introduced in [[Generation IV]] and [[Generation V]] are mostly recognizable digitized sounds, such as birds chirping for {{p|Starly}} or a xylophone being played for {{p|Kricketot}}.
* Despite there being 151 Pokémon in Generation I, there are only 37 completely different cries in the game. However, different Pokémon's cries are either pitched up, down, faster, slower, or disable one of the sound channels, making it harder to recognize. For example, Charmander and Charmeleon's cries are the same, but an instruction in the game tells the pitch for Charmeleon to be lower than Charmander's. Despite this, some Pokémon share the exact same cry with no sound tweaking (see above). In Generation II, there were 30 new cries introduced, applying the same rules as before (with some new Pokémon, especially those related to Generation I Pokémon like Crobat and Umbreon using a Generation I cry). Notably, two trios of Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]] have almost identical cries, even if they are not related: {{p|Pansage}}, {{p|Pansear}} and {{p|Panpour}}'s cries are only different because of distortions added. The same is true for their evolved forms.
* In Generation I, when a player's Pokémon has low HP in the course of a battle, the cry will get deformed. This is likely due to the fact that the game has to perform two simultaneous processes: one for the alarm sound of low HP and the other for playing the Pokémon's cry. This problem was fixed in Generation II.
** This situation occurs both when the Pokémon is sent out into battle and when its information is checked.
** This may have been inspiration for the alteration to cries that occurs when an injured Pokémon is sent into battle from Generation III on.
* In Generation III, the cries are actually played at 0.9× speed of the original samples.
* In [[Pokémon Rumble Blast]], [[Dark Rust]] has its own cry, despite not being a true Pokémon.

== Related articles ==
* [[Pokémon language]]

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Super Smash Bros.

2012-01-04T01:33:57Z

Pikabuddy II: minor details

{{Infobox_game |colorscheme=orange|bordercolorscheme=red
|name=Super Smash Bros.
|jname=ニンテンドウオールスター!大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ
|boxart=SuperSmashBox.jpg
|caption=Boxart of Super Smash Bros.
|platform=[[Nintendo 64]]
|category=Versus Fighting
|players=4 players simultaneous
|developer=[[HAL Laboratory]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]]
|gen_series=[[Generation I]] [[Spin-off Pokémon games|side series]]
|cero=A
|esrb=E
|oflc=G8+
|pegi=3+
|release_date_ja=N64 - January 21, 1999 [[Wii|VC]] - January 20, 2009
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|release_date_eu=N64 - November 19, 1999 [[Wii|VC]] - June 12, 2009
|website_ja=[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/other/64-smashbros/ Official Site]
|website_en=[http://www.pokemon.com/us/games/videogame-super-smash-brostm/ Official Site]
}}
{{StrategyWiki|Super Smash Bros.}}

'''Super Smash Bros.''' (Japanese: '''ニンテンドウオールスター!{{tt|大乱闘|だいらんとう}}スマッシュブラザーズ''' ''Nintendo All-Stars! {{tt|Dairantou|Great Fray}} Smash Brothers'') is a video game for the [[Nintendo 64]]. It was a game in which characters from various [[Nintendo]] video games fought each other. It featured [[Poké Ball]]s as items and {{p|Pikachu}} and {{p|Jigglypuff}} as playable characters; Pikachu was playable from the start and Jigglypuff had to be unlocked by clearing 1P mode at any difficulty.

Super Smash Bros. was re-released for [[Wii]] on the Japanese Virtual Console on January 20, 2009 and costs 1200 Nintendo Points. 
It was also re-released on Virtual Console for European Wii consoles on 12 June 2009 and 21 December 2009 for North American Wii consoles. The game costs 1000 Nintendo Points in both regions.

==Playable characters==
===Default===
*{{p|Pikachu}}
*{{smw|Mario}}
*{{dk|Donkey Kong}}
*{{zw|Link}}
*{{met|Samus Aran|Samus}}
*{{smw|Yoshi}}
*{{wk|Kirby}}
*{{lw|Fox McCloud|Fox}}
===Unlockable characters===
*{{p|Jigglypuff}}
*{{smw|Luigi}}
*{{sbw|Captain Falcon}}
*{{wb|Ness}}

===Pokémon characters===
*'''[[Pikachu (Pokémon)#Super Smash Bros.|Pikachu]]'''
**B Attack: [[Thunder Jolt]]
**B+Up Attack: {{m|Quick Attack}}
**B+Down Attack: {{m|Thunder}}

*'''[[Jigglypuff (Pokémon)#Super Smash Bros.|Jigglypuff]]'''
**B Attack: {{m|Pound}}
**B+Up Attack: {{m|Sing}}
**B+Down Attack: {{m|Rest}}

===Poké Ball Pokémon===
* '''{{p|Beedrill}}:''' Flies across the screen, returning with a large swarm of Beedrill using {{m|Take Down}} in a random direction. Each Beedrill deals 12% damage.

* '''{{p|Blastoise}}:''' Uses {{m|Hydro Pump}} in the direction of a foe to send them flying. Deals 6% damage per hit.

* '''{{p|Chansey}}:''' Uses {{m|Softboiled}} to release eggs that may contain items. On some occasions, they act as {{m|Egg Bomb|explosives}}.

* '''{{p|Charizard}}:''' Uses {{m|Flamethrower}} while alternating between shooting left and right. Deals 6% damage per flame.

* '''{{p|Clefairy}}:''' Uses {{m|Metronome}}, which will perform one of the following: Take Down, Hydro Pump, Softboiled, Egg Bomb, Flamethrower, Splash, Jump Kick, Smog, Pay Day, Fly, Rock Throw, Body Slam, Swift.

* '''{{p|Goldeen}}:''' {{m|Splash}}es around stage without any effect.

* '''{{p|Hitmonlee}}:''' Uses {{m|Jump Kick}} to attempt to hit the closest opponent. Deals 24% damage.

* '''{{p|Koffing}}:''' Uses {{m|Smog}} to juggle and damage any opponents that comes in contact. Deals 3% damage per cloud.

* '''{{p|Meowth}}:''' Uses {{m|Pay Day}}, which is essentially the same as Koffing's attack, but is stronger and has smaller hitboxes . Deals 6% damage per coin.

* '''{{p|Mew}}:''' Extremely rare, but simply uses {{m|Fly}} to have the same effect as Goldeen. However, Mew can earn the player bonus points.

* '''{{p|Onix}}:''' Leaps off the screen, then uses {{m|Rock Throw}} to rain boulders downward onto the nearby opponents. 8% damage per rock. 21% damage when hit by Onix.

* '''{{p|Snorlax}}:''' Flies off the top of the screen and comes flying down much larger using {{m|Body Slam}}. Deals 22% damage.

* '''{{p|Starmie}}:''' Floats to the closest opponent and barrages them with {{m|Swift}}. 3% damage per star. 12% damage when hit by Starmie.

==Pokémon stages==
===Saffron City===
The '''{{OBP|Saffron City|stage}}''' takes place on top of the [[Silph Co.]] building. A variety of Pokémon will appear and attack the characters as well.

====Pokémon that appear from the [[Silph Co.]] door====
{| {{bluetable2|c sortable}} align="center"
|- style="background: #{{power color}};"
! [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number|#]]
! MS
! Name
! Move
! Can be KO'd?
! Sometimes doesn't attack?
|-
| 113
| {{MS|113|Chansey (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Chansey}}
| {{m|Softboiled}}/{{m|Egg Bomb}}
| Yes
| No
|-
| 004
| {{MS|004|Charmander (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Charmander}}
| {{m|Flamethrower}}
| Yes
| Yes
|-
| 101
| {{MS|101|Electrode (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Electrode}}
| {{m|Explosion}}
| No
| No
|-
| 137
| {{MS|137|Porygon (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Porygon}}
| {{m|Tackle}}
| No
| No
|-
| 003
| {{MS|003|Venusaur (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Venusaur}}
| {{m|Tackle}}/{{m|Razor Leaf}}
| No
| {{tt|Yes|Only applies to Razor Leaf}}
|}

====Background Pokémon that appear at {{OBP|Saffron City|stage}}====
*{{p|Butterfree}}
*{{p|Fearow}}
*{{p|Moltres}} (low chance of appearing)
*{{p|Pidgey}}

==Unused Pokémon==
*{{p|Mewtwo}} was planned to be a playable character, but had to be cut. It became playable in the sequel, [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], having been one of the most requested new characters. [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/PostResult2.html]

==External links==
*[[sbw:Super Smash Bros.|At SmashWiki]]

{{Smash Bros.}} 
{{Side series}} 
{{Project Sidegames notice}}

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Final Gambit (move)

2012-01-04T01:20:38Z

Pikabuddy II: minor grammer fix

{{MoveInfobox|
n=515|
name=Final Gambit |
jname=いのちがけ|
jtranslit=Inochigake|
jtrans=Extreme Risk |
desc=The user risks everything to attack its target. The user faints but does damage equal to the user's HP. |
gameimage=Final Gambit.png |
type=Fighting |
damagecategory=Special |
basepp=5 |
maxpp=8 |
power=Varies |
accuracy=100 |
bdesc=??? |
gen=V |
pokefordex=Final%20Gambit |
touches=no |
protect=yes |
magiccoat=no |
snatch=no |
brightpowder=yes |
kingsrock=no |
flag7=no |
flag8=no |
sound=no |
target=anyadjacent |
footnotes= }}
'''Final Gambit''' (Japanese: '''いのちがけ''' ''Extreme Risk'') is a damage-dealing {{type2|Fighting}} [[move]] introduced in [[Generation V]].

==Effect==
Final Gambit causes the user to faint, and the target receives damage equal to however much HP the user had before executing the move.

If Final Gambit doesn't hit the opponent due to missing, immunity or {{m|Protect}}, then Final Gambit will fail and the user will not faint. Using this move will not activate the [[Focus Sash]], and therefore, the Pokémon still faints regardless of whether the item is held or not. Final Gambit will not faint a Pokémon with {{a|Sturdy}} if it was at full HP.

==Learnset==
===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{{Moveheader/Level|Fighting|5}}
{{Moveentry/Level5|056|Mankey|1|Fighting|Fighting|53}}
{{Moveentry/Level5|057|Primeape|1|Fighting|Fighting|63}}
{{Moveentry/Level5|396|Starly|2|Normal|Flying|41}}
{{Moveentry/Level5|397|Staravia|2|Normal|Flying|48}}
{{Moveentry/Level5|398|Staraptor|2|Normal|Flying|57}}
{{Moveentry/Level5|447|Riolu|1|Fighting|Fighting|55}}
{{Moveentry/Level5|494|Victini|2|Psychic|Fire|81}}
{{Moveentry/Level5|550|Basculin|1|Water|Water|51}}
{{Moveentry/Level5|616|Shelmet|1|Bug|Bug|56}}
{{Moveentry/Level5|617|Accelgor|1|Bug|Bug|56}}
{{Movefooter|Fighting|5}}

===By {{pkmn|breeding}}===
{{Moveheader/Breed|Fighting|5}}
{{Moveentry/Breed5|019|Rattata|1|Normal|Normal|{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|057|Primeape}}{{MSP|448|Lucario}}}}
{{Moveentry/Breed5|050|Diglett|1|Ground|Ground|{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|057|Primeape}}{{MSP|448|Lucario}}}}
{{Moveentry/Breed5|213|Shuckle|2|Bug|Rock|{{MSP|616|Shelmet}}{{MSP|617|Accelgor}}}}
{{Moveentry/Breed5|290|Nincada|2|Bug|Ground|{{MSP|616|Shelmet}}{{MSP|617|Accelgor}}}}
{{Moveentry/Breed5|335|Zangoose|1|Normal|Normal|{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|057|Primeape}}{{MSP|448|Lucario}}}}
{{Moveentry/Breed5|336|Seviper|1|Poison|Poison|{{MSP|056|Mankey}}{{MSP|057|Primeape}}{{MSP|448|Lucario}}}}
{{Movefooter|Fighting|5}}

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Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl

2011-12-16T05:10:51Z

Pikabuddy II: /* Title Mismatch */ new section

<big><big><big>All the moves used in the game are named on the official site. Do not change them without consulting it.</big></big></big>
== Previous discussions ==
* [[Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 3|Archive 3]]

== Unlocking Lucario ==

Actually, in the Subspace Emissary, you need to use Meta Knight and defeat him to unlock Lucario. Simply meeting him won't do. [[User:ShinyRayquaza|ShinyRayquaza]] 19:04, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, of course. And there'll be other ways, too, but let's wait until Dojo explicitly states them to avoid speculation...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 21:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
::You meet Lucario and immediately battle and then Lucario is unlocked. Nothing incorrect there. If you want the details, go to our articles on {{p|Lucario}} or [[The Subspace Emissary]]. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 15:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, another way to get him around is to play a certain number of VS. matches. But I wish the release date was a week closer instead... [[User:ShinyRayquaza|ShinyRayquaza]] 21:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
::::And also most likely another way, like Luigi and Ness  [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 02:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::The third method is to complete the 5 target tests with one character. And be glad you don't live in Europe. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 13:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

::::::I don't think you have to use Meta-Knight? I defeated Meta-Knight with Lucario and still unlocked him/her/it. (I always seem to do things backwards, huh...) [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 14:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC) 

:You only have to win the fight; it doesn't matter who you use. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 23:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

== Hay look ==

Newest update on the site has Lucario on it. How to unlock is of course, the Subspace Emmisary, play 100 brawls, and beat Target Smash on all difficulty levels. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 02:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:And today we have the Spear Pillar image I was waiting for. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
== Pikachu's Final Smash ==
Um, Fabu-Vinny, you made a mistake. In your last edit, you made it say that Pikachu's Final Smash is Jigglypuff's. Since its protected, you'll have to fix it. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 17:27, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

== <center>Space and Time</center> ==

[[Image:SSBBSpearPillarDialga.png|left|thumb]]
[[Image:SSBBSpearPillarPalkia.png|right|thumb]]
<center>I uploaded these images. Now you do whatever you want with them. Images of Dialga and Palkia at the Spear Pillar from Super Smash Bros. Brawl. You can see the bluish and purplish hue in the background.

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20:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)</center>
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[[Image:SpearPillarUxie.png|left|thumb]]
[[Image:SpearPillarCresselia.png|right|thumb]]
<center>More images. Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, and more legendaries may appear.

{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}}

21:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)</center>
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Last. Lucario

{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}}

21:21, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

:Well actually, I already uploaded the last one that you did. It's on [[Final Smash]]. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 21:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
::Okay well 5 images{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 21:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
:::GAHH!!! The other was also uploaded. Oy. Well at least 4 images{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 21:42, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Can the in-game pictures you take be moved to a computer or the photo channel in any way?

And ont he topic of SSBB, if you change your brawl settings do they still count towards the number of brawls you need to be in to be able to unlock the next character?

Thanks, [[User:Uses Wikipedia Alot|Uses Wikipedia Alot]] 16:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:I don't know if the pictures can be moved to a computer, but changing the Brawl settings doesn't reset your number of brawls. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 20:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
::I'm guessing yes. as long as you've got an SD card, I'm assuming they are saved as JPEGs, so, um, yeah. I know you can move the stages on to your computer, but I'm not sure of the pics, or movies. [[Image:Ani197MS.gif]][[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]][[Image:Ani148MS.gif]] 13:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I'd think it'd be the other way around, considering that you'd have more use for images and movies on a computer than a random stage that'll just sit there. But eh. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 14:52, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

== Electrode's false Explosion ==

Out of like the 100 times I've obtained an Electrode, never once has it not exploded.

There have been times when it looks like it's not going to explode but then does it anyway. Did anyone actually get an Electrode that didn't explode? If not, I think we should change what this says. I know it's what the official website says but that doesn't mean it's true. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:I've gotten one or two. It's really cool. If you pick it up and throw it after it fizzles out, sometimes it'll explode then, making it a more effective weapon than ever. But if you don't, it just sits there for a few seconds and vanishes like any other Pokémon. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 23:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Can you really pick up an Electrode when it's a dud?[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 20:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

You can always pick up an Electrode. Seconds before it explodes, it's determined a lot of matches for me. =D [[User:Spatula]] 01:38, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
:I have gotten many exploding Electrodes.That I have tried to pick up[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]

:I have yet to find an Electrode that didn't explode at all. They either: Explode normally, or fizzle out and sit there for a few seconds before suddenly doing the entire "charging" animation in about one second and exploding. You can pick them up if they fizzle out; just make sure you throw them quickly (nothing worse than dying because an Electrode exploded right in your face...). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 23:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

== Jirachi Description ==

On the Jirachi description it says it drops "some stickers" while in my game it always drops 7 stickers. I've gotten Jirachi twice so it may have just been luck. It also could have been a reference to Jirachi Wish Maker because there are seven days that it is awake. Also Celebi has dropped 5 trophies every time I got it. I have gotten it 3 times. Mew always drops 1 CD. Can someone else confirm if this is in every game and then update the page.--[[User:23-03-33]]

:When I get Jirachi, it drops tons of stickers. The one time it had at least 10 fall. Haven't had Celebi in a while though, but Mew always drops one CD, or if all CD's are obtained, one sticker. [[User:Dexington|Dexington]] 02:11, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

On my game, Celebi only drops one trophy --[[User:Metagross72|Metagross72]] 03:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

::Jirachi doesn't give a certain amount of stickers. I got up to ten before and as low as two. [[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 22:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

== Close ups ==

How do you guys take those close up detailed images? Mine seem to be somewhat farther at max zoom. *[[User:Tc26|Tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 03:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:They come from the official site. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 11:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== Characters ==

Shouldn't there be a list of every Character rather then just the Pokémon characters?--'''[[User:MysteryHeff?|MysteryHeff?]]''' [[User Talk:MysteryHeff?|TALK]] 08:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:No, since we're only focusing on the Pokémon aspect. Anyone can simply go to Wiki to find the rest. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 20:02, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== Picture ==

See here: [http://superzaibatsu.com/wiki/images/1/19/Ssbbbox.jpg is this better?] --'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 00:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== Project Crossovers ==

Maybe we should add Super Smash Bros. characters to Bulbapedia. I know it may seem out of place for characters such as Mario, Samus Aran, Solid Snake, and Sonic the Hedgehog to have their own page on Bulbapedia but the other wikis have crossover characters. Those characters have interacted with Pokémon characters, making them somewhat involved in the Pokémon universe. Maybe I'll start Project Crossovers, a Bulbapedia Project about crossovers. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 13:52, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:Samus, Mario, Link etc.. have their own wiki's and articles. We're a wiki for ''Pokémon''. This game (probably) is a part of Project games.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 14:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
::[[Bulbapedia:Notability requirements]] Smash Bros. isn't the Pokémon universe - it's a mish-mash of all Nintendo franchises. That means we cover the Pokémon aspects of the series but not the series as a whole. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:46, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Not just that, but we may be setting up an all-Nintendo wiki soon enough, in collaboration with the other four NIWA wikis. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== Why link to Super Mario Wiki? ==

Many of the characters links to Super Mario Wiki? That wiki is for stuff relating to the Mario series. If the NIWA doesn't have that franchise, just link it to Wikia. Sonic should link to Sonic News Network. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 19:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:Because it's the only page in NIWA about them. Face it, we're not going to link to Wikia. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 19:32, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Why not? What's wrong with Wikia? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 19:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:Surely you remember [[Talk:Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance#Wikitroid]], right? That and Wikia is the biggest grammar fail I have ever seen. <s>Minus my own Wikias, however.</s> [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 20:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Title Mismatch ==

Bulbapedia says that the Japanese meaning of their title is Great Fray Smash bros X or something. SSB Wiki states it as Dariontou Smash Bros x or along those lines. Who's correct?
[[User:Pikabuddy II|Pikabuddy II]] 05:10, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Lake Verity

2010-09-08T00:59:28Z

Pikabuddy II:

Is it true? Bibarel Lv4 and Staravia Lv4 by using the dongle method? [[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]] 14:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
:No, I think that's Poké Radar... Dongle is for old Pokémon only... '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 02:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Really? Because Haunter and Gengar appear by using the dongle method and they are in Sinnoh Dex. [[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]] 13:17, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
:They're catchable in the older games, unlike Staravia and Bibarel. This under-leveled evolution thing sounds just like the Radar. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah. Nintendo likes to ignore the evolution levels for wild Pokémon. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] [[Image:376MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl#The Secret Page|Find the secret page!]][[Image:224MS.gif]] ♪The [[User:Shiny Noctowl/Me/Oboe|oboe]] is the best instrument ever!♪ 00:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes it's true. Also, it's through useing the DONGLE Method. I've tried it. They're weak, and rare, but they're there. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Goukazaru|Goukazaru]] ([[User talk:Goukazaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Goukazaru|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

It's definitely a result of the Dongle method, catching lv 4 Bibarel and Staravia. I caught one with a GBA game in the slot and not Radar-ing (and it scared me because I thought my game was glitched). In case there was any scepticism remaining. [[User:ArcToraphim|ArcToraphim]] 18:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I added Mesprit but i don't know how to add that its only initial using an asterisk (*) [[User:Flyingemus|Flyingemus]] 13:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

The Starly that you fight at the start of the game cannot defeat your starter Pokémon (if your starter has red hp bar the Starly flees). [[User:Pikabuddy II|Pikabuddy II]] 12:56, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Porygon (Pokémon)

2010-09-01T08:55:26Z

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How come there's no section on Porygon's bred moves?? [[User:Count Caterpie|Count]] [[User talk:Count Caterpie|Caterpie]] [[Image:Ani010MS.gif]]
13:05, 21 November 2007
:That's because Porygon can only breed with Ditto...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User talk:Optimus35|#448]]''' [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆] | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPMmUEHFIU ♥][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 08:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Paper Crane ==

is it just me or does Porygon look like a paper crane

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z261/Dakclaw/PaperCrane.jpg- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Dakclaw|Dakclaw]] ([[User talk:Dakclaw|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dakclaw|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

Well...sort of, in the sense they're both 'squarey'. If Pokemon in My Pokemon Ranch look like origami, does that mean Porygon will look normal? [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 13:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Porygon and Team Rocket ==

Doesn't it strike all of you as suspicious that initially, Porygon is ONLY obtainable through a Team Rocket-run establishment? Not to mention, Porygon was developed in Pokémon Lab, which presumably has some connection to the Pokémon Mansion, where Mewtwo was supposedly created in the games? And as we all know, anime-wise anyway, Team Rocket was responsible for Mewtwo. AND, the only in-game trainers that use Porygon are in league with Team Rocket! So, is it possible that Porygon was, in fact, created by [[Team Rocket scientists]]? I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 13:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm. This is a kind of cross-canon analysis. Maybe note this? Just don't get too into "OMGZ PORYGON IZ TR'S!!" '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

::Jessie and James also used a Porygon in [[EP038|that infamous episode]]. I'm not sure where they got it, though. I think they stole it. I only saw the episode once. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 20:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== Intro of the movies ==

The trivia section states that Porygon's been in the intro of one movie - however, I think several movie sections state that "like the other movie, Porygon is shown in the intro yada yada".. I think I've seen this mentioned in at least four movies, but to be honest, I've never paid attention to whether or not Porygon is in a movie, so could someone please clarify this? [[User:Sipulichu|Sipulichu]] 18:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:The trivia links to [[Pokémon Heroes]]. The movie's trivia section states that the intro for this movie was the same as the ones before it. I do remember seeing a Porygon in at least one movie, it was peering from behind a fence. I think that was the fifth movie, but I don't remember the intro of the first four. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
:: The "Pokémon World" opening was only used for the fourth and fifth movies. In the appearances section of the article it stated it was used for "the first five movies" and the trivia section stated it was used for only "one of the movies". I changed both statements XD [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 12:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Platinum ==

Any truth to the rumors that you can get one pre-national dex on pokemon platinum? That's what it says [http://www.pokemonplatinum.net/ here] (you have to scroll a bit down). It'd be stunning news if it were true... But I havn't seen anyone talk about it, even to say it's fake. [[User:Noname|Noname]]

Yes you get it in Veilstone City from a guy in the house just above the PokeCenter.
25th level given free.
And of course as an event based pokemon save and reset until you get what you like.
( Mine has IVs of 30HP-25ATT-29DEF-23SA-15SD-29SP give or take one on each stat ) {{unsigned|Chromehawk}}

== '''''4''''' Signature Moves!? ==

I thought there were only '''''3''''': {{m|Sharpen}}, {{m|Conversion}}, and {{m|Conversion 2}}. If there ''is'' a 4th one (and I doubt there is), what is it? I really don't think there is one, though, because the trivia says that Porygon is tied with {{p|Vespiquen}} for having the most signature moves, and she only has 3: {{m|Attack Order}}, {{m|Defend Order}}, and {{m|Heal Order}}.

:In the case for the first Generation, I believe that said Signature Move would be Tri-Attack. Though it has changed in later generations, it did not change the fact that only a handful of Pokemon can learn this move. [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 03:02, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
::Dodrio could learn it. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 03:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

:True... But Tri-Attack was still pretty 'rare' in terms of who can learn it back then, no? [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 14:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
::It was a TM. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 00:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

:::{{m|Zap Cannon}}, {{m|Sharpen}}, {{m|Conversion}}, and {{m|Conversion 2}}. Tri attack was naturally learned by {{p|Magneton}}, {{p|Dodrio}}, and {{p|Dugtrio}} anyway. Zap Cannon expanded after Gen I. --- Aura-Knight 00:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Zap Cannon did not exist in Gen I. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 00:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Darn it, checked that myself just now. Then the article is wrong, while Porygon is one of the few to naturally learn Zap Cannon, it was a TM in [[Gen II]]. --- Aura-Knight 00:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Porygon fits body style 5 better then 7 ==

I changed the body style to 5 because it fits Porygon better. I did the same with Porygon2 (which had nothing on the talk page) and changed Porygon-Z to body type 9. [[User:Yami Takashi|Yami]] 19:23, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

==LEGO==

I was on LEGO.com one day and I noticed that one of the creations was a Porygon!
From your friendly neighborhood Charizard--[[User:Ultamatecharizard]]

==Number 1337==
Did anyone notice that Porygon's Kanto/National number (#137) is very close to "[[Wikipedia:leet|1337]]" which is Internet Speak for "leet"? It references the fact that it is a Pokémon made entirely out of coding. Even if it were an unlikely coincidence, it still is pretty cool! -- [[User:Zedd|Zedd]] 20:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
:If it's a coincidence, that's a very good one. Thanks for pointing it out! [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 23:41, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
::While it wasn't before the creation of 1337, I'd doubt that the (at the time) underground American Hacker culture was relevant to the dex number to Japanese makers. --- Aura-Knight 00:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== "Wild" Porygon in the Trophy Garden ==

While technically true, isn't it because they were 'released' into the garden by Urayama/Mr.Backlot? [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 23:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:Indeed, that is why. Well, it's because they were placed by his SERVANT, actually, but, close enough. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 23:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
::Really depends. Ive always thought of them as being wild in the garden, and when it was mowed over for a building, they were captured, and were released back into captivity when told to.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 01:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Which got me curious; considering the fact that Porygon has both states of being either data (energy?) and material (as a Pokémon) at a given time. Though they will be considered "wild" when released, it is certainly not in the same sense as wild Pidgey or even "naturally occured" Legendary Pokemon... [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 02:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

== Anyone notice ==

Everyone is talking about how it wasn't Porygon who caused the seizures but yet Porygon is banned. Well, I think I have a good reason why, but i need some aproval. Does anyone think that Porygon could be banned because of itself being both blue nad red. It should only be put in trivia because it is pure speculation. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 01:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
:What? Its banned because of the colors it is? WRONG[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Mock Me]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]] 01:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex=It is a manmade Pokémon. Since it doesn't breathe, people are eager to try it in any environment.</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:46, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Why is Porygon-Z in the "Curse" section of the Trivia?--[[User:Makupe|Makupe]] 22:05, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

== Old picture. ==

Why does the picture of Porygon come from Pokemon ''Red and Green''? Can someone tell me if I've done something wrong with this (i'm relatively new). 20:55, 1 September 2010. [[User:Pikabuddy II|Pikabuddy II]] 08:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC) [[User: Pikabuddy II]]

Talk:Pokémon Rumble

2010-08-31T04:09:14Z

Pikabuddy II: /* Shinies */

==Password Tables==
Ug! These tables are horrible to work with! I have a bunch of new passwords to add, but can't get past this table format. Any help? Here is the link:
http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=105284 --[[User:Fallen Reality|Fallen Reality]] 04:47, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

== Gender Differences ==
Should we add something about how gender differences are also utilized in the game? Some examples I noticed in gameplay videos were brown male and black female {{p|Hippowdon}} and male and female {{p|Doduo}} with black and brown necks, respectively. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 15:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:That's not really important here because these are just the models used in Pokémon Ranch. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== Buchou Lucario ==

According to Filb.de the Lucario is from Pokémon Sunday:

"Pokémon Scramble: with the password 9721 3750 switch Buchou Lucario a special attack with the breakthrough release, named after the Lucario that is always in Pokémon Sunday is to be seen."

So should we change the Lucario's name to Buchou Lucario? –[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 19:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== US Name - Pokémon Rumble ==
See: [http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/03/get-ready-to-pokemon-rumble-at-pax/] and [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nintendo_announces_upcoming_US_release_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_WiiWare_title] - '''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]''' - 16:58, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

== Developer? ==

Anyone know whom it is?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 16:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:{{wp|Pokémon Rumble|Ambrella}}. Same as Ranch, apparently. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

== Nintendo Week Blastoise ==
A special Blastoise was released over Nintendo Week. The password is: 9580-1423. I'd add it, but the formatting looks WAY too complicated. Could someone else do it for me, please?--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 18:24, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:English or Japanese? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::Nintendo Week is a program from the US Nintendo Channel, so English.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 20:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

== EU Codes ==

Should we put the codes for the European version on as well?
If so then can someone else do it because i'm not good at formatting tables.
Heres the location of the codes and there details [http://serebii.net/melee/password.shtml] [[User:Blaziken God|Blaziken God]] 16:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

==Missingno?==

My friend managed to get missingno in the game i dunno how he did it but its true coz i saw it :) if anyone knows how to get him post thanx. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 11:37, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:could we get a screenshot? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 13:14, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I can't do screenshots and i dunno how to upload. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 16:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

:Sounds like another Glatra case to me...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

What's that?[[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 17:40, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

:Whenever I refer to a "Glatra case", I'm referring to a case in which somebody claims to have found a glitch Pokémon but never provides solid proof to back up their claim. Many of these cases go so far as to have the person who made the claim try to browbeat people into believing the claim without the needed proof.

:The original Glatra case, made by the user {{u|Glatra}} of a later-proven-fake glitch Pokémon also named Glatra, even went far enough to have a second user, {{u|Darkrai breeder}}, claim to be the other user's "neighbor", offer an obviously-fake JPEG sprite as "proof" which nobody bought, and actually ''flame'' people who doubted Glatra's existence, continuing to harass people on the talk pages, trying to control who made comments on his talk page (which earned him a 2-week block), and even going as far as to make threats on {{u|Porygon-Z}}'s Bulbapedia account just because Porygon-Z uploaded a Youtube video that basically said "Glatra is not real" (which, on top of the continued harassment as well as threatening {{u|Origamiguy}}, earned him a 6-month block).

:My [[$1|2¢]]: If you can't provide proof, don't speak of it. It's best to avoid another huge dragged-out Glatra case wherever possible. Also, file uploads are done on Bulbagarden Archives; [[a:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] on the Archives allows you to make the file uploads, but you need to either have the file on your computer or know a file's URL in order to successfully make an upload. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
ok. the video of it he showed me must have been non legit then[[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 18:43, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

There is a new EU Code for a Squirtle (1250-2002) but I can't figure out this Table format. Can someone else upload it? {{unsigned|Kahcalski}}

2 things. 1: sign with four of these ~
2: start a new discussion like this
==title==
ok?
and adding to tables is in the manuel of style. Please remember this for next time. [[User:SpecialK|I Leik Lucario and believe in Missingno. Master's Celebi Glitch because i caught one!]] 14:57, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

== Battle Royale stage ==

Shouldn't [[Battle Royale]] be considered a location, too? I mean, it's obviously not the same as the other stages, but you get to it with a trampoline, and important things happen there. Maybe in the template for Rumble Locations, there could be a subsection with a link for it? I'd try to do it on my own, but I have no idea how to start. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 05:04, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

== About the storyline... ==
Okay, I beat normal mode in Pokémon Rumble. I thought the page said that the reason why the Pokémon were toys would be revealed after the player beats the game. Does the player have to beat advanced mode, too? Info would be much appriciated.[[User:16ipodfanatic|16ipodfanatic]] 20:05, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
:I'm quite sure the page doesn't say anything like that. And if it does, it's wrong. Why should there be a reason? They're just "normal" toys. [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 21:20, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

It does reveal the reason why they are toys. It's summit to do with people being Pokémon trainers at 10, so younger children need toys instead. [[User:SpecialK|I Leik Lucario and believe in Missingno. Master's Celebi Glitch because i caught one!]] 14:56, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

:If that bit's true, then it's kind of ironic that this is the first Pokémon-specific game to bear the {{wp|Entertainment Software Rating Board|ESRB}}'s E10+ rating for "Everyone 10{{tt|+|And up}}"...

:(For the record, it's also only the second Pokémon-specific game after {{pkmn|Battle Revolution}} to bear the {{wp|Pan European Game Information|PEGI}}'s 7 rating. Given the outcry over the [[game machine]]s in {{v2|Platinum}}, which bore PEGI's 3 rating, I wouldn't be surprised if {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} took a higher PEGI rating of 7 or possibly even 12 to avoid watering down the content for Europeans...) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

== Shinies ==

Is it possible to get them without codes, during normal gameplay? And if so, are the odds of one appearing the same as in the main series games?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 14:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:It's quite possible to get them without codes during normal gameplay. I don't know how common they are mathematically, but they are ''everywhere'' - maybe 1/4 as common as pokémon with special abilities? There are even shinies with special abilities. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 15:18, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::I wish I could find one... Also, are the chances of recruiting a shiny the same as a normal Pokemon?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:48, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I've had incredible luck recruiting them, making me think that it's 100% recruit rate. Although, if you haven't found them yet, it makes me think they aren't available until higher levels... maybe Advanced Level? I don't remember them in the Normal level. Does anyone else know when they become available? [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 21:47, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:: I got a shiny Dodrio on normal rank C. but this was on the demo so I'm not sure if that makes a difference. If theres something wrong with this please tell me I haven't used this before [[Pikabuddy II]] 16:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)