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2009-11-20T20:30:43Z

Pichachu-San: /* Where does the anime air on TV now?!!? */

Can I add Canada's broadcast date? [[Image:Ani373MS.gif|{{{2|373}}}]][[Image:Ani094MS.gif|{{{2|094}}}]][[Image:Ani474MS.gif|{{{2|474}}}]][[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-Z''']][[Image:Ani025MS.gif|{{{2|025}}}]][[Image:Ani441MS.gif|{{{2|441}}}]][[Image:Ani130MS.gif|{{{2|130}}}]] 02:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well that depends... Where else does it air?[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 02:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::What do you mean? Like, other countries or channels?? [[Image:Ani373MS.gif|{{{2|373}}}]][[Image:Ani094MS.gif|{{{2|094}}}]][[Image:Ani474MS.gif|{{{2|474}}}]][[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-Z''']][[Image:Ani025MS.gif|{{{2|025}}}]][[Image:Ani441MS.gif|{{{2|441}}}]][[Image:Ani130MS.gif|{{{2|130}}}]] 23:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes. We might as well display them ''all''.[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 23:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::That would make the table far too wide. The two countries of origin are what really matters. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 01:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::But isn't this basically a Encyclopaediae Pokémonis for the English language and North America. We speak English and we're in North America. How does one country's air date matter more than anothers? [[Image:Ani373MS.gif|{{{2|373}}}]][[Image:Ani094MS.gif|{{{2|094}}}]][[Image:Ani474MS.gif|{{{2|474}}}]][[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-Z''']][[Image:Ani025MS.gif|{{{2|025}}}]][[Image:Ani441MS.gif|{{{2|441}}}]][[Image:Ani130MS.gif|{{{2|130}}}]] 14:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::We do Canada, then we do Australia and the UK, too. And might as well just add the airdate across Europe, and every day it was rerun in every place... It's not that one country's date matters more, it's just that... argh, the American airdate is the first release of the dubbed version. If Canada were the first to air it, it'd be theirs. But it's not. Notice how we never list the dates that Pokémon gets rerun in Japan. Essentially this is the same: the other English versions are, pretty much, reruns. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 16:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::They're not reruns in that country though....[[Image:Ani373MS.gif|{{{2|373}}}]][[Image:Ani094MS.gif|{{{2|094}}}]][[Image:Ani474MS.gif|{{{2|474}}}]][[User:Porygon-Z|'''Porygon-Z''']][[Image:Ani025MS.gif|{{{2|025}}}]][[Image:Ani441MS.gif|{{{2|441}}}]][[Image:Ani130MS.gif|{{{2|130}}}]] 18:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:Still the same English version. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Is the Ranger special not airing in the US? [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 14:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)Happizelpom
:Are you talking about the one for the [[Pokémon Ranger|first Ranger game]] or the [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia|second?]]

:If you're talking about the first, that one's already aired in America. It aired around the time of the release of the first Ranger game, and was bumped up to around the time of the game's release (since the dub was originally on pace to air the first Ranger special quite awhile after the first Ranger's release).

:If you're talking about the second, no, not at this present time. I'm pretty certain that they're putting this special off until around the release of the game. This time around, the dub was on pace to air the special before the game's release, so the dub skipped around from [[DP070]] to [[DP073]] to put the special off for a later date. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:00, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I didnt know they had a special for the first ranger game in the Diamond in Pearl series? [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 16:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)Happizelpom
==DP071-DP072==
I guess Riley would appear as a Ranger without giving Ash an egg to promote Batonnage!-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 14:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:Riley as a Ranger? You're kidding right? I know Riolu will be in it, but I think the Main Character from the 2nd game will show up and not Riley... [[User:Ej92|Ej92]] 15:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::Sigh. You know there are ''other people'' with Riolu. If Maylene has a Lucario... agh. QUIT TREATING IT AS IF IT'S SOME SUPER-LEGENDARY. What, is JIGGLYPUFF now something special because of SSB? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

:::While many people believe Ash is destined to recieve that Riolu egg, this isn't the right time or place to do so. The right place is around [[Iron Island]], and the right time is around when Ash goes for [[Byron]]'s badge in [[Canalave City|Canalave]]. Given that we've just finished up [[Maylene]], that's quite awhile off. Odds are the next two big changes for Ash's party will be {{TP|Ash|Buizel}} evolving and {{TP|Ash|Turtwig}} leaving (mainly due to {{TP|Ash|Chimchar}} being Ash's signature fourth-generation starter), probably on each side of the [[Crasher Wake]] battle. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 04:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Promote Batonnage=Either spinoff episode or Hajime/his girlfriend will appear. That's the pattern. {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|13:20 14 Mar 2008}}}'''

== I just realized sumthing ==

By the time that Japan gets to {{AP|Gligar}}'s probable evolution in [[DP085]], the U.S. will be watching the dubbed version of [[DP064|her capture]], just in time!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not quite. The evolution is on Thursday and the capture is on Saturday. Not that it really matters. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

== An Idea ==

Do you think it would be a good idea to post links on an episode page that let the user see the actual episode in English or Japanese? (If they've aired, and have links, in parts of course.) [[User:ShinyPachirisu|Shiny]] [[User Talk:ShinyPachirisu|Pachirisu]] :) 01:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:Thats a great idea. If youtube or another site has an episode of Pokémon we should link it. I watch every episode in Japanese that way so it would be easyer to find. [[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 02:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

No, that's illegal.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 06:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

:Huh?!?!? How? I didn't know that...♪♪[[User:ShinyPachirisu|Shiny]] [[User Talk:ShinyPachirisu|Pachirisu]] :) ♪♪ 20:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

::We really should look into this more i think. Because I would gladly update every page myself. [[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 12:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No, really. Uploading full episodes amounts to copyright infringement and even linking to such videos is rather risky. Not to mention that YouTube regularly deletes such videos anyway so any links there could become void at any time. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

==K-Zone==

I'm starting to get confused and losing track, which episodes had details in the magazine?

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 04:49, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:The episodes that aired in Japan after the magazine mentioned some of their events were: [[DP079]], [[DP082]], [[DP084]], [[DP086]], [[DP099]]. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 20:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

==DP101, 102, 103==
So Serebii.net has revealed the titles. Do we wait for Bulbanews to issue them, or can we put them on? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 14:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:Those might be fake. Not only they are revealed too early on, they are also suspiciously short and it's also suspicious there are no fillers between Hearthome and Canalave. As long as there is no official confirmation, those are fake. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:36, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::Plus, um, ''Serebii''? If another source, you know, a Japanese one, showed them off, it'd be something, but these are just about as revealed as the titles of the episodes from the magazine. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:38, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::That's what I thought - that's why I didn't go ahead and post them onto the list. But Serebii's generally approximately right with the names - the general concept is correct, but the wording is always changed to English names and the translation is often different than Bulbanew's translation. But it's an interesting twist of names for the episodes. And Maxim, while Serebii.net may be considered an unreliable source, but it will rarely ever release fake information. I was a bit curious about the fact that there's no filler between the return to Hearthome and the arrival at Canalave though. And I thought that Jun (or Pearl) was replaced with Kengo/Kenny. But whatever. We'll get the true/full story soon. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 17:07, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: Looks like Serebii was right. Touché. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 17:07, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:As long as it's not just Serebii putting it up, and he got it from Pokeani, it's fine. Anyway, I'm intrigued... first Turtwig's gonna evolve, then Pearl appears? I wonder what the dub'll call him... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, this is just another sign that the anime has become unpredictable, which is a good thing. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 21:09, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Satosuke, while Serebii doesn't usually post fake information, his site ''is'' a secondary source so the reliability of the info depends on where he got it from. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I know this, that's why I didn't post it on the list, but brought it up here. I feel that the way I proposed the concept of putting up the information from Serebii up was a bit, well, made me look like I didn't understand that Serebii.net isn't a primary source. What I really implied was that Bulbanews wasn't posting it up this morning when Serebii did, and that someone should look into the primary sources, such as Pokeani, and post it up on the DP list as soon as possible. Which, obviously, Trainer-c, or one of his/her associates, did; and another user soon followed by posting it up on the DP episodes list. I'm sorry if I came off looking like I didn't understand Serebii's role as only a secondary source. If you look at the Aaron episode discussion, I have stated that we can't post up information from that Australian magazine because it's a secondary source, even if it arrives long before the actual information is released (such as the Mikli Cup, as it called it). So I do understand the difference between Primary and Secondary sources. I just wanted to get the move on with the episode list, as no one had edited it, and it had been hours since Serebii posted the new episodes, so obviously there was a primary source somewhere out there that SPP got it from. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
==DP108==
What should we do with this episode?-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 09:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:Wait for official confirmation. A minor voice actor's blog can't be considered a reliable source by any stretch of the information. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::What about the script? I think he knows what episode he is voicing. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== Can we include a translation of the Japanese titles? ==

I find it silly that we have the English title, the kanji for the Japanese title, but no translation of the Japanese. Is there a way to include both the Kanji and translation of the Japanese episode titles? I would be appreciative and be willing to help if there is someway to get them done quickly (like a team effort or some sort of code). Thanks for any answers. (also included on the talk pages for the lists of the original and AG episodes) [[User:Monkeyjb1988|Monkeyjb1988]] 17:46, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
:See my answer at the AG episode list talk page. UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 17:49, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

== 108 ==

Please add: ''Image:DP108.png'' please. Thanks. *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 03:22, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== DP 117 ==

I don't believe it one bit. You know that I trust Pokéani no more then I can can throw a 10-ton elephant, but the title and the fact that it was a magizine scan just makes me suspicious.([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 19:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC))

:The magazines [[Pokéani]] uses when reporting new episode announcements are well-known anime magazines, which are (usually) highly accurate and thus reliable sources. It's true Pokéani is a fansite with some untrustable material (attempts to use Pokéani as proof of confirmed gender for May's Pokémon have been quashed a few times in the past due to unreliability), but episode announcements aren't among the untrustable material since they use sources we consider reliable. (Yes, Pokéani's given us a few fake titles in the past, but they've corrected themselves every time.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:06, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::Plus, hey, we've had "Team Rocket breakup" episodes before. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== "Losing Its Lustrous"? ==

When was THIS announced? ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 21:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's on a MSN TV listing... [http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-episodes/pokemon-dp-battle-dimension/ here] --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 21:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

::I don't know...If Cartoon Network and/or Zap2it lists something different, odds are the source using that title is probably unreliable. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== DP 119 & 120 ==

Is Pokéani the only source that confirmed this. If so, I DON'T TRUST IT. I demand at least 2 OFFICIAL sources other than Pokéani. Some Screenshots and a Preview would not hurt either. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 15:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC))

:As I pointed out two sections up, Pokéani uses well-known anime magazines when they post new episode announcements. And I'm certain there's at least two of them. Those magazines are reliable sources when it comes to new episode announcements. Sure, Pokéani's messed up before, but they've always corrected themselves when it comes to Japanese episode titles...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

::Let Me put it another way. I demand two official sources that have confirmed this and are NOT used by Pokéani. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 05:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC))

:::Since when are you in a position to demand something? Especially when you were talking to an admin (and currently are the one losing)? ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 05:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::::This whole [[DP120]] Fiasco is a good reason for ADDITIONAL PROOF! ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 03:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC))
:::::TV Tokyo... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:55, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Thank You Kenji-Girl. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 19:22, 16 March 2009 (UTC))

== DP98 - DP100 dub titles? ==
The MSN listing that revealed "Losing Its Lustrous" has actualized with new episodes [http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-episodes/pokemon-dp-battle-dimension/?ipp=40], should we add them? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 16:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Anyway, I guess yes. If that source had never committed any mistake (or few) in the past, that makes it a reliable source. (After all, the titles seemingly fit to the episodes) '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 16:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
::As I said, it revealed "Losing its Lustrous" with no mistakes. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 16:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Its possible DP100 is the last episode of season 11 since Jun's voice actor did say he appears in season 12. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 18:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Time between ==

Why is the "Time between" saying something like "135.041666667 days"? {{tt|•|I know I can't explain very well.}} --'''[[User:Lance123|Lance]][[User talk:Lance123|123]]''' 15:07, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's odd. Very odd. Must be a glitch, because it goes away when I hit edit. Don't worry about it, it should clear itself when the cache does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Capitalization of Titles ==

How should words in episode titles be capitalized? For example, should the word 'for' be capitalized? In the list, it's not capitalized for [[Different Strokes for Different Blokes]], but it is for [[DP053|Tears For Fears!]] (the latter being consistent with how it's displayed in the episode). Also, I have found that capitalization isn't even consistent in the show, like for the word 'of' in [[DP036|A Secret Sphere Of Influence!]] and [[Sleight of Sand!]].

[[User:PJPoon|PJPoon]] 03:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I think we should use what they have. After all, they create the dub titles to begin with, so whatever they have is what we should go with.

[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes1992]] 19:21, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

:::The correct is to use what is shown in the title card, isn't it? [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 19:36, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

== DP147 & DP148 Revealed. ==

I am not good with adding Episode Titles, so yeah, check Serebii for the 2 revealed episodes.:) & add them.
:Link please. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 08:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

== Picture of DP147: Isn't that pic from DP145? ==

I know I am not 100% sure of this but seeing how Buizel & Totodile are to appear in DP145: Gible......Got it!, I think this pic is from that episode, not DP147. {{u|BAC510}}, 07:43 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:All fixed. The pic was from the DP145/146 preview on TV Tokyo. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:01, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:List of Pokémon the Series: Diamond and Pearl episodes

2009-11-20T20:29:16Z

Pichachu-San:

Talk:Volkner

2009-11-20T20:25:29Z

Pichachu-San: /* Volkner in DP Adventures and with Flint */

In the official Japanese D/P stickerbook, which includes Gym Leader stickers, all names are spelt in Romaji. メリッサ is romanised [[Melissa]] (we already use this romanisation), マキシ is romanised [[Maxi]] (again, we already use that). However, there are three romanisation which we did not use. There are: デンジ as Denzi (instead of Denji) and トウガン as Tougan (instead of Tōgan) and ヒョウタ as Hyouta (instead of Hyōta). Since they're from official stickerbook, they are trademarked romanisation and we must use them. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Should we have the new Gym Leaders in the anime category this early? I mean, we all know what happened with Wallace. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 09:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think that once they appear, they certainly should. But not if the episode hasn't appeared yet. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Volkner's Ambipom knows Shock Wave, but I don't know which move is wrong right now. It only used Shock Wave and Baton Pass against me. -Wild Eep

== Departure ==

Apparently, if it's true, Volkner will not be Sunyshore's Gym Leader. If so can this be added to the trivia of being the second final Gym Leader of a region to not be part of the main plot?

:He is also the second final Gym Leader of a region to be replaced, after [[Wallace]].

From--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 14:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

That is PURE speculation! I'm going to undo that edit and I think this page should be protected.--[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 14:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

The edit was never there!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 14:42, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

:Who come with this speculation? The third game wasn't even revealed yet. So, how can you guess that Volkner will be replaced by someone else in that game? That's a piece of rubbish. Please don't come with such stupid theories. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

SEREBII.net[http://serebii.net/index2.shtml]--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

:Blue skY blog can't be quite believed. It used to spread fake information (the infamous Zak and three fake New Pokemon names). So, please don't be so excited about this. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:07, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

:: I think everyone's taking this with an appropriately large pinch of salt, so you don't need to worry about that. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 17:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

:::Seriously guys. Just wait until we know for definite. Don't go adding things that haven't been 100% confirmed yet :\ It was just leaked info, and normally "leaked info" turns out too be fake or a misconception [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]] 17:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Plus, Regigigas with Levitate? And Shaymin, an event legend, with such prominence? And another type? As much as I'd love to see this stuff, isn't it a little too [[Farfetch'd|far-fetched]]? The new movie must have had a lot of impact on this... {{SUBST:User:Toastypk/Sig}} 02:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

This was probably made up just to match Wallace. But don't cancel it out just yet. We should leave the page for the while. ''[[User:David aipom|David]]
''Aipom

There are 3 reasons why this rumour has come about:

*Volkner said in DP that he was going to challenge the Elite Four after challenging the player, so he went and left the Gym
*The 2nd, is that people though along the lines of Wallace he was and 8th Gyn Leader and was then replaced (this could link in with the first as Volkner went to face the Elite Four and could have won) and became Champion.
*3rd not many people like Volkner, god he's dull and boring. [[User:Frazer Ketchum|Whatever]] 17:40, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:wtf? I think Volkner is by far the most interesting gym leader in DP. The fact that he actually had a backstory of sorts was awesome. Not saying the others didn't (Roark, Byron, Wake, and fantina also had backstories), but his was interesting and memorable in my opinion. Don't use your own opinion as evidence >_> '''~[[User:RR|R]][[User talk:RR|R]]~''' 01:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually Volkner is the DP character with the highest number of fan arts so far, and Game Freak knows about this. They may be willing to give him more space and backstory because of his popularity though, but that's only speculation. --[[User:Rosy Crystal|Rosy Crystal]] 10:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

:So maybe they'll give him more fame and replace an elite 4 member with him? '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|808080|Origami}}{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|FF8000|Guy}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|808080|T}}-{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|FF8000|C}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|0080FF|M}}''' 11:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

What does "has nothing to do with the main plot" mean. (to answerers: I do know the game fairly well) [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 16:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:It means he had nothing to do with the main plot of the game. The main plot of Diamond/Pearl, you should know, is about Cyrus trying to take control of Dialga/Palkia to become ruler of time/space, and Volkner was completely unrelated to it. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 17:16, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
::I somehow remember it saying he was the only gym leader who had nothing to do with the main plot which is why I was curious. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 17:35, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Basically, Giovanni and Wallace were heavily involved in the plot and were the final gym leaders. I don't remember Clair being involved in a plot event aside from the Dragon's Den. --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 19:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

== Quick question ==

In the article, in the quote section, he says "When I got my first Gym Badge", his he the only know Gym leader known to have gym badges? Would that be trivia?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:Hmm, I don't think so... The others could also have obtained Gym Badges in their youth, and just didn't talked about it. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 00:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
::Alright, and we don't have enough evidence. But he is the only one to mention I think.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:::So, can I at least add, that he is the first, maybe I need to check, that has confirmed to been on a journey and has other gym badges.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 02:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

== Volkner in DP Adventures and with Flint ==
I still don't understand why Shigekatsu Ihara didn't put Volkner in his DP Adventure mangas. And from the quotes with Flint and Volkner, I don't think they're just friends. Rivals? Maybe? Or they just get on each others' nerves, Volkner not really trying to but annoys Flint anyways. what does anyone else think?
--[[User:Pichachu-San|idinkuspelld"Pikachu"wrong...]] 20:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Volkner

2009-11-20T20:25:11Z

Pichachu-San:

Talk:Barry (anime)

2009-11-20T20:18:34Z

Pichachu-San:

==Game Counterpart==
This page belongs in the anime section of the game character. We have it for almost all the other game characters that appear in the anime so why should this be any different. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:Because he's different. He's a [[Cross-canon counterparts|Cross-canon counterpart]]. It would be just like having Ash as a subsection of {{ga|Red}}'s article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::No he isn't. Jun is basically the same character. Unlike Ash and Red who have some differences. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::Shut up, he is! He's a [[Cross-canon counterparts|Cross-canon counterpart]]. We have articles on all Cross-canon counterparts: {{Ash}}, {{Gary}}, {{jo|Jimmy}}, {{jo|Marina}}, [[Vincent]] {{an|May}} and {{an|Dawn}}, we also have articles on ALL manga counterparts, then why not on Jun, too? He's got a FULL appearance, unlike {{ga|Silver}}, [[Brendan]] and [[Lucas]], so he fully deserves a specific article. He is also a MAIN game rival (unlike [[Wally]], who didn't appear in anime, but if he did, he would deserve nothing more than an anime subsection in the game article). Remember for your life - Cross-canon counterpart = Different Character! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::They can only be cross-canon counterparts if one of the characters are based off on the other. But Jun is exactly the same as his game character. Personality, Pokémon, everything. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::No, that's not true. Any MAIN character counterpart is considered different (except the mentioned three, whose appearances weren't long enough) and please, don't say anything about his personality. That's what we call gun-jumping. We don't even really know what Pokémon will he posess. Rival counterpart = Different character. It's a thing you just have to remember. Don't act like you know more than me about Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::We don't even know if Jun will be appearing again. And even if Jun is different so should the countless number of game characters that appeared in the show. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::{{jo|Jimmy}} also appeared for only one episode (though I agree that he SHOULD NOT be put to the template). So, your logic fails. He's an Inter-Media Counterpart not matter if you like it or not. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I was not talking about Jimmy. I'm talking about all the gym leaders, game villains, Elite 4, heck even [[Cheryl]] and [[Mira]]. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Then why does {{jo|Jimmy}} have an article about him in your opinion? He's just an one-time character, so shouldn't he be just a subsection of {{ga|Gold}} according to your logic? The Gym Leaders, Villains, Elite 4 and Other Characters you mentioned are actually the same characters in all canons they appear. It's generally accepted that only counterparts of MAIN game characters count as separate characters. Main characters = Game protagonists, Rivals (the characters you can name, in general). It's a generally-accepted standard and Jun meets it. So, don't argue. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::: Jmath does have a point, Dawn's mother doesn't have an article, and she's pretty important, I would even say more important than Jun, because Johanna has a relation to Dawn. I don't see why Jun would deserve his own article. When Johanna even doesn't. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::FAIL. Johanna is not a MAIN game characters, not a rival or protagonist, she is just a mother. She may be important in the anime, in the games she's not. So, her anime incarnation DOES NOT deserve an article. Your argument failed like a bomb in ocean. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Jimmy isn't exactly same as Gold. They're still different just as Ash and Red are different. And by your logic, May and Dawn should go also be in the games page. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::No, they shouldn't. Because they are protagonists/rivals. My main criteria is not the importance of the character in the other canon, name difference or design differences but rather his ROLE IN THE GAME. This is a criteria everyone here agrees with. You're arguing with me for no reason. And you keep losing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
: Professor Oak, Professor Birch, Professor Elm, Professor Rowan also don't have their own articles (And argue all you want but Professor OAK IS IMPORTANT IN THE GAMES). And plus what you said makes no sense, how is a parent/relative less important than a game rival? Add to the fact we have articles of COTD's and still other characters don't have their own articles. SO YOUR LOGIC FAILS. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::No, it does not fail. The Professors are important, but they're not MAIN characters. And saying that protagonist's parent who just sits in house and sometimes enter Contests is more important that the game rival is just RIDICULOUS. Please, don't insist that you know anything about the things you have no idea about. It's what I hate the most in people like you. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::: Then why the hell do we have articles of people who only showed up once in the anime when these characters I mentioned showed up more than once. See that doesn't make sense. Sure argue I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but you don't either. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Please, leave COTDs away. They are completely unrelated here. They are completely unrelated to the game characters we are currently talking about. If they appeared in the game, they would have one articles on all their incarnations, but they NEVER appear in the games, so they have only one article - about their one and only incarnation - the anime one. So sorry, you fail again. Your reasons are one of the most stupid ones I've heard in awhile. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::IT MAKES NO SENSE. Why is Jun so important, just because he's a damn rival protaginist? If Jun appears only once he's just akin to a COTD. So he get's his own article (just like COTD's). Again it makes no sense. Jun could not important at all, his anime team mirrors his team in the games, which I can't say the same about Professor Oak, Johanna, Professor Elm, and blah blah blah, because they have differences between the two. Professor Oak never had Dragonite in the games, and Johanna never had a Glameow in the games (she only had a Kangaskhan).You know I can understand that it would make some articles with little information(a paragraph at the most). But remember COTD's information really small (just pointing to the connection not importance). And besides if Johanna's game information was so damn important, it would show up on this page http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mom. And when I pointed to the COTDs, you totally missed the point. See your arguement is if they didn't have a important role in the games they don't deserve their own article. Okay I get it but why is it when they aren't important to the anime they deserve their own article. Isn't that a double standard? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::He may be a COTD in the anime but in the game he's a MAIN character and all his Cross-canon incarnations count as separate characters. It's you who started mixing random characters to this. They have no bearing here. They're a separate issue. And the fact that they possess different Pokémon than in the games doesn't reflect anything. It's about the characters, not their Pokémon. Please leave non-protagonist characters alone, they're a separate issue. And do you realise that the thing about COTDs you mentioned are actually an argument IN FAVOUR of having an article on Jun. You're contradicting yourself. I could use your arguements against you if I wanted it, but I don't feel like doing it. You have weak and newbish reasons. I'm sick of debating with people like you. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Like me? Damn if you are so sure you know anything about me, write my biography. And no I wasn't contradicting myself I was making a connection. It's only a contradiction when I'm adamant about Jun not having an article. In fact I have no problem with it, the problem I do have is that while Jun has it's own articles, certain characters don't. And hell if COTD was any indication of anything, it would mean we would have articles about Johanna, Professor Oak because hell they showed up in the anime, don't they deserve their own anime articles. Who cares that they have game information? And again it's all double standards. Oh but I suppose YOU don't have a problem with it.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: I forgot, when I said Jun could be like COTD, I meant that it "should" be on his game page, just like Professor Oak, and Johanna. But again double standards.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Adding to the fire, but, seriously, the answer to the problem is in his name. If his game article is going to be called "Pearl (game)", then "Jun (anime)" should deserve his own page, BECAUSE he's not called Pearl. GLs, the five partners, all direct game references with no name changes don't deserve their own separate page.

HOWEVER. Jun's game name defaults as Pearl. He is not Pearl. He is Jun (and hopefully, in the future, Barry). He should get his own paged based on the fact that he isn't called his default game name, just like Ash isn't called Red and Gary isn't called Green/Blue. Riley will still be Riley, Winona was still Winona. Pearl isn't Jun, and it isn't fair to designate him under Pearl simply because nothing changed about him personally. They'll act the same, but Gary acted the same way as his game C/P all through Kanto, and if this was then, Gary still would have gotten his own page. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
: I have no problem with Gary or Ash from the anime because it's obvious they are slightly different then their Game counterparts. When we have Jun who is exactly like his game counterpart only his name is different is the problem. Jun looks exactly like Pearl (game) and most likely has the same team (3 of his 6 are). Forget it....... I don't care anymore, have your weird Bulbapedia format, where a game rival is more important than a game/anime article character is related to an anime article character.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 16:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Okay, here's why he's not under Pearl's page. ==

Because '''''he's not Pearl any more than Gary Oak is Blue'''''. Remember, Gary was as much a jerk as Blue. They even both said "smell ya later" I believe. Gary's team may not be based on Blue's in any games, but so what? What's to say Jun's last three Pokémon aren't something completely random?

He has the same clothes. Great. He has the same team. Great. Gary has the same clothes as Blue in both RGBY and FRLG and he's got a separate article.

The title of the episode is ''Rival Trainer Jun Appears!'' not ''Rival Trainer Pearl Appears!''. His name is Jun. Not Pearl. Just like how {{tt|Kenta|Jimmy}}, not {{ga|Gold}}, and {{jo|Marina}}, not {{tt|Crys|Kris}}, appeared in the ''[[Legend of Thunder]]'' special. Brendan and Lucas weren't given separate names nor even much of an appearance, but Jun appears in an episode titled after and focusing on him. Jimmy and Marina do the same in LOT, though they didn't exactly name the thing.

Essentially, though, here's what it is: Game protagonists and rivals who appear in the anime get a separate page for their anime iteration if their role is large enough. {{ga|Silver}} appeared in the opening for LOT, and nothing else (plus {{an|Silver}} is that old guy who everyone <s>knows</s> thinks is [[Ash Ketchum|the idiot]]'s dad anyway). {{ga|Brendan}} was in the opening segment of three movies, but did little more than send out one Pokémon and order it to use a move. Whoo, give the man a page. No really. He's not notable enough in the anime for his own page. {{ga|Lucas}} does even less; he battled only ONCE in a movie opening.

Plus, well, with the exception of May and Dawn, all of the game protagonists and antagonists have different names from their anime counterparts. {{tt|Satoshi|Ash}}, not Red. {{tt|Shigeru|Gary}}, not {{tt|Green|Blue}}. {{tt|Kenta|Jimmy}}, not Gold. Marina, not {{tt|Crys|Kris}}. {{tt|Jun|And he's gonna be protected from moving to an English name until next year or longer!}}, not Pearl.

In closing.
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| width="15%" | Gary was here Ash is a loser!
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'''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks, TTE! Anyway, would you mind unblocking the page. There are things I would change. There is no proof that he's from Twinleaf. I would also delete the template. There is no proof that he'll be a recurring rival. I know the page was created pretty early but I'm a bit sick of the fact that Bulbapedia Admins block EVERYTHING lately. The blocked pages are usually the ones I want to edit. It sometimes feels that the admins simply want to use their powers. Please unblock the page, you won't regret it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::Eh, it won't be too long, and being that he's based on a main game character... And besides, Gary appeared once every, what, eight thousand episodes? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

I found a pic that has him centered, rther than b all the way to the lef. Shouldn't we use that pic?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Anyway, we are changing the image once the episode airs. No need to use the preview images. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 18:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It's this pic [[Image: DP101Jun.jpg]]. Much better, right?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:No such image exists. No one is supposed to upload images for you anyway. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 18:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
There was an image that was recently on
:That's my pic! and it's PNG!!!!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 18:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:DP101Jun.png]]

I think it's very good Luc--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:We will have more choice of pics when the episode airs, not now. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 18:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::I see..Okay, And I forgot your name Kuki! dang it,~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 18:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Kuki's name is Scott--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 20:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring character ==

Why is there the [[Template:animecharacters]] there? there is no proof yet that he will make a reappearance.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 01:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:In the preview there is :]--[[User:David aipom|''デビッド Aipom '']] [[User talk:David aipom|(Speaks To Me):] 秘密の通信 ]] 17:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

What do you guys say in changing the current image in the page with [[Image:Pearlanime.PNG]]? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:The current one is better quality. I oppose the replacement. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::Changing the format to .png when it's already been a .jpg doesn't do it anything but make it a bigger file size. If you took the screenshot yourself, take it again and save it as a .png the first time. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I changed the screenshot. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 21:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Jmath's one is of slightly better quality, but really, it's hardly noticeable, even at full size. I don't think it matters which one goes up. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] 22:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::The current one is also too plain and nothing special. This one at least is more action packed. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 20:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring phrase ==

He says one thing over and over again in the episode, whenever he runs into Ash and lost the battle to Ash. Not knowing any Japanese, I turn to others out there to ask what it means [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

:You mean the "Nandio, Nandio, Nandatendio" or something like that? '''[[Pachirisu (Pokémon)|パチリス]][[User:Pachirisulover12|の恋人]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 01:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

::That's the one [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

==Main==
Is he a part of the group, because he's still with Ash and them going to Canalave when he already has the badge, and he's been with them ever since his first appearence. [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 14:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
:Probably just another [[Todd Snap|Todd]]. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

oh yeah i fergot about that, haha sorry [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 15:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
::Of course.....maybe not...[[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']] 18:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Page for his Empoleon? ==

I feel his Empoleon deserves a page. It is his main battling Pokémon, and has been seen in 3 episodes so far. So I think it deserves a page. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 18:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
:So has Aoi's Shinx but it doesn't have a page. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
::It's not about how many times it appears, it's about how much of a significance the Pokémon is.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 05:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

:::For all we know, this guy'll never appear again. Then again, he could also reveal himself as {{si|Kenny}}'s brother and that the Empoleon is actually borrowed from Kenny, meaning the Empoleon could [[Kenny's Prinplup|already have an article and we don't even know it]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

::::well I doubt anyone thought that Morrison would appear again and he did, plus he seems to be more signifacint than other charecters, but in this discussion I have to say that we'll have to wait until he appears again----[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 18:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Palmer ==

when we put palmer there in realtives........[[User:Bakunawa|Bakunawa]] 04:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:Not yet. It needs to be confirmed in the anime first. Although the character is based on {{ga|Pearl}}, not all aspects might be carried across. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== Protect? ==

Before the Heracross mania begins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Anime section ==

Could someone *cough*an admin*cough* fix the main body of the article to say he ''did'' appear in Dp110 and 111? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 11:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== Again, why protected? ==

Because someone can jump with Barry or Damion? Come on! No one will do it. The people here know that unconfirmed information SHALL NOT be posted here. So, I think there is NO REASON to hold this page protected until April. He may reappear 5 times until then. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
: It's not hurting anything. Yeah, everyone out there wants to jump on and call him Barry but as far as we know, he's not going to have {{tt|any major apperances|although a scan claiming to be from K-Zone claimed he'll appear around Snowpoint, after which Ash's Torkoal will evolve....}}as he's still training on Iron Island. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 17:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
::You know that scan had been a fake right? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That's why I said claiming and claimed... We know that it's not [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jun's Pokemons ==
I'm can to make a page for Jun others pokemons (Roserade,Staraptor and Heracross)?
[[User:Pokedigo|Pokedigo]] 16:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Just having one for Empoleon is fine. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 16:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Okay why? ==

Why is it being protected until April 5th? That's a ridiculously long length. I would understand if you wanted to protect it on March 15 to April 5th, but not now. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jun=Barry ==

A new episode title hinted that his name is Barry. Quite frankly, I don't know who else it would belong to, so can we unlock this and change it to match the dub title? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 14:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

:Dude regarding this I have had battles with the admins for half my life here. And however good proofs you may find , even if Satoshi Tjari comes and confirms it they will always say "Wait till it airs". --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 14:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::Its better to be consistent. If they make an exception just for this one, every other page has to get this treatment, meaning total breakdown. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 15:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Cant imagine TTE and specially DETH allowing it. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Didn't [[Morrison]] get this treatment as well? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Wasnt here then. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::OMG, that's one of the examples of when the "Until it airs" policy fails. The admins believed the episode title, yet they don't believe that the character would be named Barry? Come on, that's just RIDICULOUS! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It should be verified by the title, though...--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 12:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Maxim, you have to live with it, even though it's obvious, we still have to wait.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 12:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::But this is IRRATIONAL. As irrational as standing in for admins' stupid decisions... That simply makes no sense and it's pathetic. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::That's the rules.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Every rule has an exception, which clinche it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::I agree that at this point, it seems ridiculous to protect the article until dub airing. "Barry" is in the title, no other character in the episode could possibly be named "Barry" and going by the list of default game names "Barry" is the English equivalent of "Jun". I mean... I'd say that if we try running it by the [[WP:Duck test|Duck test]], it's pretty conclusive what Jun's English name is. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 05:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I'd like to change it too. But if we did, then we'd have to do it for everyone. Besides, it won't kill you to wait a couple of weeks. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I hate Bulbapedia's "wait until it airs" rule...that's the reason why I don't depend on this site anymore...it's not updated...and I'm pretty sure many people feel the same.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 06:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I don't, the rule to me is pretty simple. Now run along children we got nine days before DP101 airs.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::What if the episode airs and the title happens to be different? What if Jun isn't Barry? You have to look at it that way. Need I remind you of [[Solidad|Samantha]] and [[Ada (Kanto)|Audrey]]? Technically we are updated with the ''confirmed'' information. If you don't like it, join the Bulbanews and post it there or request that they post it. They have no restrictions. See that's the problem, people treat Bulbapedia like a news site such as Serebii. It's not. That's what Bulbanews is for. However, it is kind of hypocritical that we submit new titles of episodes before airing but not this... Maybe something should be changed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::::WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS RULE. Lets vote. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 09:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

No.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

:I do not agree with the opinion that if we moved Barry, we would have to do it for everyone. "Everyone" does not have an officially confirmed name (through a title). Barry has. Come on, the title REVEALED this name. If we believed that the title is real, then why do we refuse to believe that the name is real? Moving the page WOULD NOT be a big breakage of the Bulbapedia's Policies, as there actually IS an evidence that the name is real. That "What if the episode title happens to be different?" is completely bullshit. At this logic, we should not believe in any leaked titles. At this logic, Bulbapedia SHOULD NOT allow putting episode titles in the articles before the airing. But it does. Hypocrisy much? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
::Logical fallacy. You don't have to move an article for the English title. Dub names for characters do require that, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:::So, that's all about effort... Eh... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Jun's Piplup ==

I may be incorrect, but I've heard that in the recent episode Jun mentioned that he started with/has had a Piplup. Shouldn't his Pokémon list be updated accordingly? [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 23:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:Proof? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, I watched the subbed version. Barry says that the road of getting Prinplup to evolve into Empoleon is difficult, which would imply that he's had it at least since it was Prinplup. However, this isn't exactly a comfirmation. After all, we still won't allow the mentioning of Drew possibly having his Flygon since it was Vibrava after saying something similar. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::No matter how any lecture may be worded, if it doesn't appear explicit enough, it ain't confirmation. Even if that conversation were more solid to confirm Barry had it as a Prinplup, the possibility would still exist that he caught it as a wild Prinplup and then ditched his {{p|Turtwig|real starter}} afterwards...

:::(Note that the destination of the link may not reflect the accuracy of Barry's overall backstory, just the most likely case from the perspective of the games assuming Dawn's basis is that of player character. And remember, "most likely" does NOT mean "confirmed" by any stretch of the imagination.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== So, what? Move problem ==

[[Barry]] currently redirects to [[Pearl (game)]]. What are we doing? Are we moving this to "Barry (anime)" and changing "Barry" into a disambig? Or maybe delete the redirect and move the page to "Barry" with the headnote about Pearl? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:Personally, I think [[Barry]] should be the disambig, since that's the first choice of the names for {{ga|Pearl}} in both Diamond and Platinum. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Duet ==

In ''Barry's Busting Out All Over!'', Dawn points out that Barry was in a 'duet with the exploud' which is similar to [[Pearl (Special)|Pearl]] and [[Diamond (Special)|Diamond]] and their comedy duo. Should that be in the trivia section? Or is that a totally different thing? I thought it was a bit interesting but that's just me --[[User:Talli|ταllı]][[User talk:Talli|☆]] 23:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Change Picture ==
I think you should change Barrys' picture back to http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5e/Pearlanime.PNG
I think it's better than the current one on his page. The current one on his page isn't very good in my opinion, no offence... {{unsigned|Pichachu-San}}
:Agreed. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
::the one on the page is both HD and a better shot. it stays. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:20, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
But isn't this one HD too? And it's just his face looks a little messed up. Besides, this is an EPIC shot of barry! And who doesn't like epicness?!--[[User:Pichachu-San|idinkuspelld"Pikachu"wrong...]] 20:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

:That pic's pre-[[DP121]]. No pics from before [[DP121]] except for movies could even possibly be in {{wp|High-definition television|HD}}, unless somebody took it from an upscaled digital broadcast that {{wp|Stretch-o-Vision|stretched}} the frame. And something from an upscaled digital broadcast that stretched the frame would be considered unsatisfactory due to its very nature. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey whoa whoa hey! No need to get technical! Goodness, I'm not THAT smart...--[[User:Pichachu-San|idinkuspelld"Pikachu"wrong...]] 20:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Barry (anime)

2009-11-20T20:17:35Z

Pichachu-San:

==Game Counterpart==
This page belongs in the anime section of the game character. We have it for almost all the other game characters that appear in the anime so why should this be any different. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:Because he's different. He's a [[Cross-canon counterparts|Cross-canon counterpart]]. It would be just like having Ash as a subsection of {{ga|Red}}'s article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::No he isn't. Jun is basically the same character. Unlike Ash and Red who have some differences. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::Shut up, he is! He's a [[Cross-canon counterparts|Cross-canon counterpart]]. We have articles on all Cross-canon counterparts: {{Ash}}, {{Gary}}, {{jo|Jimmy}}, {{jo|Marina}}, [[Vincent]] {{an|May}} and {{an|Dawn}}, we also have articles on ALL manga counterparts, then why not on Jun, too? He's got a FULL appearance, unlike {{ga|Silver}}, [[Brendan]] and [[Lucas]], so he fully deserves a specific article. He is also a MAIN game rival (unlike [[Wally]], who didn't appear in anime, but if he did, he would deserve nothing more than an anime subsection in the game article). Remember for your life - Cross-canon counterpart = Different Character! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::They can only be cross-canon counterparts if one of the characters are based off on the other. But Jun is exactly the same as his game character. Personality, Pokémon, everything. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::No, that's not true. Any MAIN character counterpart is considered different (except the mentioned three, whose appearances weren't long enough) and please, don't say anything about his personality. That's what we call gun-jumping. We don't even really know what Pokémon will he posess. Rival counterpart = Different character. It's a thing you just have to remember. Don't act like you know more than me about Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::We don't even know if Jun will be appearing again. And even if Jun is different so should the countless number of game characters that appeared in the show. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::{{jo|Jimmy}} also appeared for only one episode (though I agree that he SHOULD NOT be put to the template). So, your logic fails. He's an Inter-Media Counterpart not matter if you like it or not. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I was not talking about Jimmy. I'm talking about all the gym leaders, game villains, Elite 4, heck even [[Cheryl]] and [[Mira]]. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Then why does {{jo|Jimmy}} have an article about him in your opinion? He's just an one-time character, so shouldn't he be just a subsection of {{ga|Gold}} according to your logic? The Gym Leaders, Villains, Elite 4 and Other Characters you mentioned are actually the same characters in all canons they appear. It's generally accepted that only counterparts of MAIN game characters count as separate characters. Main characters = Game protagonists, Rivals (the characters you can name, in general). It's a generally-accepted standard and Jun meets it. So, don't argue. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::: Jmath does have a point, Dawn's mother doesn't have an article, and she's pretty important, I would even say more important than Jun, because Johanna has a relation to Dawn. I don't see why Jun would deserve his own article. When Johanna even doesn't. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::FAIL. Johanna is not a MAIN game characters, not a rival or protagonist, she is just a mother. She may be important in the anime, in the games she's not. So, her anime incarnation DOES NOT deserve an article. Your argument failed like a bomb in ocean. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Jimmy isn't exactly same as Gold. They're still different just as Ash and Red are different. And by your logic, May and Dawn should go also be in the games page. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::No, they shouldn't. Because they are protagonists/rivals. My main criteria is not the importance of the character in the other canon, name difference or design differences but rather his ROLE IN THE GAME. This is a criteria everyone here agrees with. You're arguing with me for no reason. And you keep losing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
: Professor Oak, Professor Birch, Professor Elm, Professor Rowan also don't have their own articles (And argue all you want but Professor OAK IS IMPORTANT IN THE GAMES). And plus what you said makes no sense, how is a parent/relative less important than a game rival? Add to the fact we have articles of COTD's and still other characters don't have their own articles. SO YOUR LOGIC FAILS. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::No, it does not fail. The Professors are important, but they're not MAIN characters. And saying that protagonist's parent who just sits in house and sometimes enter Contests is more important that the game rival is just RIDICULOUS. Please, don't insist that you know anything about the things you have no idea about. It's what I hate the most in people like you. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::: Then why the hell do we have articles of people who only showed up once in the anime when these characters I mentioned showed up more than once. See that doesn't make sense. Sure argue I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but you don't either. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Please, leave COTDs away. They are completely unrelated here. They are completely unrelated to the game characters we are currently talking about. If they appeared in the game, they would have one articles on all their incarnations, but they NEVER appear in the games, so they have only one article - about their one and only incarnation - the anime one. So sorry, you fail again. Your reasons are one of the most stupid ones I've heard in awhile. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::IT MAKES NO SENSE. Why is Jun so important, just because he's a damn rival protaginist? If Jun appears only once he's just akin to a COTD. So he get's his own article (just like COTD's). Again it makes no sense. Jun could not important at all, his anime team mirrors his team in the games, which I can't say the same about Professor Oak, Johanna, Professor Elm, and blah blah blah, because they have differences between the two. Professor Oak never had Dragonite in the games, and Johanna never had a Glameow in the games (she only had a Kangaskhan).You know I can understand that it would make some articles with little information(a paragraph at the most). But remember COTD's information really small (just pointing to the connection not importance). And besides if Johanna's game information was so damn important, it would show up on this page http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mom. And when I pointed to the COTDs, you totally missed the point. See your arguement is if they didn't have a important role in the games they don't deserve their own article. Okay I get it but why is it when they aren't important to the anime they deserve their own article. Isn't that a double standard? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::He may be a COTD in the anime but in the game he's a MAIN character and all his Cross-canon incarnations count as separate characters. It's you who started mixing random characters to this. They have no bearing here. They're a separate issue. And the fact that they possess different Pokémon than in the games doesn't reflect anything. It's about the characters, not their Pokémon. Please leave non-protagonist characters alone, they're a separate issue. And do you realise that the thing about COTDs you mentioned are actually an argument IN FAVOUR of having an article on Jun. You're contradicting yourself. I could use your arguements against you if I wanted it, but I don't feel like doing it. You have weak and newbish reasons. I'm sick of debating with people like you. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Like me? Damn if you are so sure you know anything about me, write my biography. And no I wasn't contradicting myself I was making a connection. It's only a contradiction when I'm adamant about Jun not having an article. In fact I have no problem with it, the problem I do have is that while Jun has it's own articles, certain characters don't. And hell if COTD was any indication of anything, it would mean we would have articles about Johanna, Professor Oak because hell they showed up in the anime, don't they deserve their own anime articles. Who cares that they have game information? And again it's all double standards. Oh but I suppose YOU don't have a problem with it.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: I forgot, when I said Jun could be like COTD, I meant that it "should" be on his game page, just like Professor Oak, and Johanna. But again double standards.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Adding to the fire, but, seriously, the answer to the problem is in his name. If his game article is going to be called "Pearl (game)", then "Jun (anime)" should deserve his own page, BECAUSE he's not called Pearl. GLs, the five partners, all direct game references with no name changes don't deserve their own separate page.

HOWEVER. Jun's game name defaults as Pearl. He is not Pearl. He is Jun (and hopefully, in the future, Barry). He should get his own paged based on the fact that he isn't called his default game name, just like Ash isn't called Red and Gary isn't called Green/Blue. Riley will still be Riley, Winona was still Winona. Pearl isn't Jun, and it isn't fair to designate him under Pearl simply because nothing changed about him personally. They'll act the same, but Gary acted the same way as his game C/P all through Kanto, and if this was then, Gary still would have gotten his own page. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
: I have no problem with Gary or Ash from the anime because it's obvious they are slightly different then their Game counterparts. When we have Jun who is exactly like his game counterpart only his name is different is the problem. Jun looks exactly like Pearl (game) and most likely has the same team (3 of his 6 are). Forget it....... I don't care anymore, have your weird Bulbapedia format, where a game rival is more important than a game/anime article character is related to an anime article character.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 16:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Okay, here's why he's not under Pearl's page. ==

Because '''''he's not Pearl any more than Gary Oak is Blue'''''. Remember, Gary was as much a jerk as Blue. They even both said "smell ya later" I believe. Gary's team may not be based on Blue's in any games, but so what? What's to say Jun's last three Pokémon aren't something completely random?

He has the same clothes. Great. He has the same team. Great. Gary has the same clothes as Blue in both RGBY and FRLG and he's got a separate article.

The title of the episode is ''Rival Trainer Jun Appears!'' not ''Rival Trainer Pearl Appears!''. His name is Jun. Not Pearl. Just like how {{tt|Kenta|Jimmy}}, not {{ga|Gold}}, and {{jo|Marina}}, not {{tt|Crys|Kris}}, appeared in the ''[[Legend of Thunder]]'' special. Brendan and Lucas weren't given separate names nor even much of an appearance, but Jun appears in an episode titled after and focusing on him. Jimmy and Marina do the same in LOT, though they didn't exactly name the thing.

Essentially, though, here's what it is: Game protagonists and rivals who appear in the anime get a separate page for their anime iteration if their role is large enough. {{ga|Silver}} appeared in the opening for LOT, and nothing else (plus {{an|Silver}} is that old guy who everyone <s>knows</s> thinks is [[Ash Ketchum|the idiot]]'s dad anyway). {{ga|Brendan}} was in the opening segment of three movies, but did little more than send out one Pokémon and order it to use a move. Whoo, give the man a page. No really. He's not notable enough in the anime for his own page. {{ga|Lucas}} does even less; he battled only ONCE in a movie opening.

Plus, well, with the exception of May and Dawn, all of the game protagonists and antagonists have different names from their anime counterparts. {{tt|Satoshi|Ash}}, not Red. {{tt|Shigeru|Gary}}, not {{tt|Green|Blue}}. {{tt|Kenta|Jimmy}}, not Gold. Marina, not {{tt|Crys|Kris}}. {{tt|Jun|And he's gonna be protected from moving to an English name until next year or longer!}}, not Pearl.

In closing.
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| width="15%" | Gary was here Ash is a loser!
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'''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks, TTE! Anyway, would you mind unblocking the page. There are things I would change. There is no proof that he's from Twinleaf. I would also delete the template. There is no proof that he'll be a recurring rival. I know the page was created pretty early but I'm a bit sick of the fact that Bulbapedia Admins block EVERYTHING lately. The blocked pages are usually the ones I want to edit. It sometimes feels that the admins simply want to use their powers. Please unblock the page, you won't regret it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::Eh, it won't be too long, and being that he's based on a main game character... And besides, Gary appeared once every, what, eight thousand episodes? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

I found a pic that has him centered, rther than b all the way to the lef. Shouldn't we use that pic?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Anyway, we are changing the image once the episode airs. No need to use the preview images. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 18:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It's this pic [[Image: DP101Jun.jpg]]. Much better, right?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:No such image exists. No one is supposed to upload images for you anyway. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 18:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
There was an image that was recently on
:That's my pic! and it's PNG!!!!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 18:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:DP101Jun.png]]

I think it's very good Luc--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:We will have more choice of pics when the episode airs, not now. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 18:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::I see..Okay, And I forgot your name Kuki! dang it,~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 18:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Kuki's name is Scott--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 20:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring character ==

Why is there the [[Template:animecharacters]] there? there is no proof yet that he will make a reappearance.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 01:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:In the preview there is :]--[[User:David aipom|''デビッド Aipom '']] [[User talk:David aipom|(Speaks To Me):] 秘密の通信 ]] 17:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

What do you guys say in changing the current image in the page with [[Image:Pearlanime.PNG]]? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:The current one is better quality. I oppose the replacement. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::Changing the format to .png when it's already been a .jpg doesn't do it anything but make it a bigger file size. If you took the screenshot yourself, take it again and save it as a .png the first time. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I changed the screenshot. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 21:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Jmath's one is of slightly better quality, but really, it's hardly noticeable, even at full size. I don't think it matters which one goes up. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] 22:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::The current one is also too plain and nothing special. This one at least is more action packed. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 20:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring phrase ==

He says one thing over and over again in the episode, whenever he runs into Ash and lost the battle to Ash. Not knowing any Japanese, I turn to others out there to ask what it means [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

:You mean the "Nandio, Nandio, Nandatendio" or something like that? '''[[Pachirisu (Pokémon)|パチリス]][[User:Pachirisulover12|の恋人]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 01:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

::That's the one [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

==Main==
Is he a part of the group, because he's still with Ash and them going to Canalave when he already has the badge, and he's been with them ever since his first appearence. [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 14:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
:Probably just another [[Todd Snap|Todd]]. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

oh yeah i fergot about that, haha sorry [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 15:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
::Of course.....maybe not...[[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']] 18:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Page for his Empoleon? ==

I feel his Empoleon deserves a page. It is his main battling Pokémon, and has been seen in 3 episodes so far. So I think it deserves a page. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 18:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
:So has Aoi's Shinx but it doesn't have a page. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
::It's not about how many times it appears, it's about how much of a significance the Pokémon is.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 05:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

:::For all we know, this guy'll never appear again. Then again, he could also reveal himself as {{si|Kenny}}'s brother and that the Empoleon is actually borrowed from Kenny, meaning the Empoleon could [[Kenny's Prinplup|already have an article and we don't even know it]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

::::well I doubt anyone thought that Morrison would appear again and he did, plus he seems to be more signifacint than other charecters, but in this discussion I have to say that we'll have to wait until he appears again----[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 18:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Palmer ==

when we put palmer there in realtives........[[User:Bakunawa|Bakunawa]] 04:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:Not yet. It needs to be confirmed in the anime first. Although the character is based on {{ga|Pearl}}, not all aspects might be carried across. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== Protect? ==

Before the Heracross mania begins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Anime section ==

Could someone *cough*an admin*cough* fix the main body of the article to say he ''did'' appear in Dp110 and 111? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 11:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== Again, why protected? ==

Because someone can jump with Barry or Damion? Come on! No one will do it. The people here know that unconfirmed information SHALL NOT be posted here. So, I think there is NO REASON to hold this page protected until April. He may reappear 5 times until then. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
: It's not hurting anything. Yeah, everyone out there wants to jump on and call him Barry but as far as we know, he's not going to have {{tt|any major apperances|although a scan claiming to be from K-Zone claimed he'll appear around Snowpoint, after which Ash's Torkoal will evolve....}}as he's still training on Iron Island. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 17:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
::You know that scan had been a fake right? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That's why I said claiming and claimed... We know that it's not [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jun's Pokemons ==
I'm can to make a page for Jun others pokemons (Roserade,Staraptor and Heracross)?
[[User:Pokedigo|Pokedigo]] 16:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Just having one for Empoleon is fine. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 16:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Okay why? ==

Why is it being protected until April 5th? That's a ridiculously long length. I would understand if you wanted to protect it on March 15 to April 5th, but not now. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jun=Barry ==

A new episode title hinted that his name is Barry. Quite frankly, I don't know who else it would belong to, so can we unlock this and change it to match the dub title? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 14:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

:Dude regarding this I have had battles with the admins for half my life here. And however good proofs you may find , even if Satoshi Tjari comes and confirms it they will always say "Wait till it airs". --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 14:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::Its better to be consistent. If they make an exception just for this one, every other page has to get this treatment, meaning total breakdown. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 15:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Cant imagine TTE and specially DETH allowing it. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Didn't [[Morrison]] get this treatment as well? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Wasnt here then. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::OMG, that's one of the examples of when the "Until it airs" policy fails. The admins believed the episode title, yet they don't believe that the character would be named Barry? Come on, that's just RIDICULOUS! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It should be verified by the title, though...--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 12:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Maxim, you have to live with it, even though it's obvious, we still have to wait.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 12:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::But this is IRRATIONAL. As irrational as standing in for admins' stupid decisions... That simply makes no sense and it's pathetic. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::That's the rules.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Every rule has an exception, which clinche it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::I agree that at this point, it seems ridiculous to protect the article until dub airing. "Barry" is in the title, no other character in the episode could possibly be named "Barry" and going by the list of default game names "Barry" is the English equivalent of "Jun". I mean... I'd say that if we try running it by the [[WP:Duck test|Duck test]], it's pretty conclusive what Jun's English name is. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 05:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I'd like to change it too. But if we did, then we'd have to do it for everyone. Besides, it won't kill you to wait a couple of weeks. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I hate Bulbapedia's "wait until it airs" rule...that's the reason why I don't depend on this site anymore...it's not updated...and I'm pretty sure many people feel the same.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 06:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I don't, the rule to me is pretty simple. Now run along children we got nine days before DP101 airs.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::What if the episode airs and the title happens to be different? What if Jun isn't Barry? You have to look at it that way. Need I remind you of [[Solidad|Samantha]] and [[Ada (Kanto)|Audrey]]? Technically we are updated with the ''confirmed'' information. If you don't like it, join the Bulbanews and post it there or request that they post it. They have no restrictions. See that's the problem, people treat Bulbapedia like a news site such as Serebii. It's not. That's what Bulbanews is for. However, it is kind of hypocritical that we submit new titles of episodes before airing but not this... Maybe something should be changed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::::WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS RULE. Lets vote. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 09:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

No.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

:I do not agree with the opinion that if we moved Barry, we would have to do it for everyone. "Everyone" does not have an officially confirmed name (through a title). Barry has. Come on, the title REVEALED this name. If we believed that the title is real, then why do we refuse to believe that the name is real? Moving the page WOULD NOT be a big breakage of the Bulbapedia's Policies, as there actually IS an evidence that the name is real. That "What if the episode title happens to be different?" is completely bullshit. At this logic, we should not believe in any leaked titles. At this logic, Bulbapedia SHOULD NOT allow putting episode titles in the articles before the airing. But it does. Hypocrisy much? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
::Logical fallacy. You don't have to move an article for the English title. Dub names for characters do require that, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:::So, that's all about effort... Eh... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Jun's Piplup ==

I may be incorrect, but I've heard that in the recent episode Jun mentioned that he started with/has had a Piplup. Shouldn't his Pokémon list be updated accordingly? [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 23:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:Proof? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, I watched the subbed version. Barry says that the road of getting Prinplup to evolve into Empoleon is difficult, which would imply that he's had it at least since it was Prinplup. However, this isn't exactly a comfirmation. After all, we still won't allow the mentioning of Drew possibly having his Flygon since it was Vibrava after saying something similar. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::No matter how any lecture may be worded, if it doesn't appear explicit enough, it ain't confirmation. Even if that conversation were more solid to confirm Barry had it as a Prinplup, the possibility would still exist that he caught it as a wild Prinplup and then ditched his {{p|Turtwig|real starter}} afterwards...

:::(Note that the destination of the link may not reflect the accuracy of Barry's overall backstory, just the most likely case from the perspective of the games assuming Dawn's basis is that of player character. And remember, "most likely" does NOT mean "confirmed" by any stretch of the imagination.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== So, what? Move problem ==

[[Barry]] currently redirects to [[Pearl (game)]]. What are we doing? Are we moving this to "Barry (anime)" and changing "Barry" into a disambig? Or maybe delete the redirect and move the page to "Barry" with the headnote about Pearl? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:Personally, I think [[Barry]] should be the disambig, since that's the first choice of the names for {{ga|Pearl}} in both Diamond and Platinum. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Duet ==

In ''Barry's Busting Out All Over!'', Dawn points out that Barry was in a 'duet with the exploud' which is similar to [[Pearl (Special)|Pearl]] and [[Diamond (Special)|Diamond]] and their comedy duo. Should that be in the trivia section? Or is that a totally different thing? I thought it was a bit interesting but that's just me --[[User:Talli|ταllı]][[User talk:Talli|☆]] 23:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Change Picture ==
I think you should change Barrys' picture back to http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5e/Pearlanime.PNG
I think it's better than the current one on his page. The current one on his page isn't very good in my opinion, no offence... {{unsigned|Pichachu-San}}
:Agreed. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
::the one on the page is both HD and a better shot. it stays. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:20, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
But isn't this one HD too? And it's just his face looks a little messed up. Besides, this is an EPIC shot of barry! And who doesn't like epicness?!

:That pic's pre-[[DP121]]. No pics from before [[DP121]] except for movies could even possibly be in {{wp|High-definition television|HD}}, unless somebody took it from an upscaled digital broadcast that {{wp|Stretch-o-Vision|stretched}} the frame. And something from an upscaled digital broadcast that stretched the frame would be considered unsatisfactory due to its very nature. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey whoa whoa hey! No need to get technical! Goodness, I'm not THAT smart...

User:Pichachu-San

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Pichachu-San:

Pichachu-San was born on November 8th, 1994 in the USA. She started liking Pokemon at the age of six but didn't become a true Pokemon fan until seventh grade.She writes Pokemon stories and plans on becoimng a Pokemon author and Pokemon Manga artist.

Favorite Pokemon:
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Pikachu
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Dragonite
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Lucario

Favorite Gym Leaders:
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Volkner
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Roark
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Falkner
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Morty
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Clair

Favorite Elite Four Members:
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Flint
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Karen

Favorite Champions:
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Cynthia
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Lance

Favorite Anime Characters:
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Barry

Talk:Barry (anime)

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Talk:Barry (anime)

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==Game Counterpart==
This page belongs in the anime section of the game character. We have it for almost all the other game characters that appear in the anime so why should this be any different. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:Because he's different. He's a [[Cross-canon counterparts|Cross-canon counterpart]]. It would be just like having Ash as a subsection of {{ga|Red}}'s article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::No he isn't. Jun is basically the same character. Unlike Ash and Red who have some differences. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::Shut up, he is! He's a [[Cross-canon counterparts|Cross-canon counterpart]]. We have articles on all Cross-canon counterparts: {{Ash}}, {{Gary}}, {{jo|Jimmy}}, {{jo|Marina}}, [[Vincent]] {{an|May}} and {{an|Dawn}}, we also have articles on ALL manga counterparts, then why not on Jun, too? He's got a FULL appearance, unlike {{ga|Silver}}, [[Brendan]] and [[Lucas]], so he fully deserves a specific article. He is also a MAIN game rival (unlike [[Wally]], who didn't appear in anime, but if he did, he would deserve nothing more than an anime subsection in the game article). Remember for your life - Cross-canon counterpart = Different Character! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::They can only be cross-canon counterparts if one of the characters are based off on the other. But Jun is exactly the same as his game character. Personality, Pokémon, everything. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::No, that's not true. Any MAIN character counterpart is considered different (except the mentioned three, whose appearances weren't long enough) and please, don't say anything about his personality. That's what we call gun-jumping. We don't even really know what Pokémon will he posess. Rival counterpart = Different character. It's a thing you just have to remember. Don't act like you know more than me about Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::We don't even know if Jun will be appearing again. And even if Jun is different so should the countless number of game characters that appeared in the show. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::{{jo|Jimmy}} also appeared for only one episode (though I agree that he SHOULD NOT be put to the template). So, your logic fails. He's an Inter-Media Counterpart not matter if you like it or not. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I was not talking about Jimmy. I'm talking about all the gym leaders, game villains, Elite 4, heck even [[Cheryl]] and [[Mira]]. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Then why does {{jo|Jimmy}} have an article about him in your opinion? He's just an one-time character, so shouldn't he be just a subsection of {{ga|Gold}} according to your logic? The Gym Leaders, Villains, Elite 4 and Other Characters you mentioned are actually the same characters in all canons they appear. It's generally accepted that only counterparts of MAIN game characters count as separate characters. Main characters = Game protagonists, Rivals (the characters you can name, in general). It's a generally-accepted standard and Jun meets it. So, don't argue. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::: Jmath does have a point, Dawn's mother doesn't have an article, and she's pretty important, I would even say more important than Jun, because Johanna has a relation to Dawn. I don't see why Jun would deserve his own article. When Johanna even doesn't. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::FAIL. Johanna is not a MAIN game characters, not a rival or protagonist, she is just a mother. She may be important in the anime, in the games she's not. So, her anime incarnation DOES NOT deserve an article. Your argument failed like a bomb in ocean. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Jimmy isn't exactly same as Gold. They're still different just as Ash and Red are different. And by your logic, May and Dawn should go also be in the games page. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::No, they shouldn't. Because they are protagonists/rivals. My main criteria is not the importance of the character in the other canon, name difference or design differences but rather his ROLE IN THE GAME. This is a criteria everyone here agrees with. You're arguing with me for no reason. And you keep losing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
: Professor Oak, Professor Birch, Professor Elm, Professor Rowan also don't have their own articles (And argue all you want but Professor OAK IS IMPORTANT IN THE GAMES). And plus what you said makes no sense, how is a parent/relative less important than a game rival? Add to the fact we have articles of COTD's and still other characters don't have their own articles. SO YOUR LOGIC FAILS. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::No, it does not fail. The Professors are important, but they're not MAIN characters. And saying that protagonist's parent who just sits in house and sometimes enter Contests is more important that the game rival is just RIDICULOUS. Please, don't insist that you know anything about the things you have no idea about. It's what I hate the most in people like you. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::: Then why the hell do we have articles of people who only showed up once in the anime when these characters I mentioned showed up more than once. See that doesn't make sense. Sure argue I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but you don't either. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Please, leave COTDs away. They are completely unrelated here. They are completely unrelated to the game characters we are currently talking about. If they appeared in the game, they would have one articles on all their incarnations, but they NEVER appear in the games, so they have only one article - about their one and only incarnation - the anime one. So sorry, you fail again. Your reasons are one of the most stupid ones I've heard in awhile. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::IT MAKES NO SENSE. Why is Jun so important, just because he's a damn rival protaginist? If Jun appears only once he's just akin to a COTD. So he get's his own article (just like COTD's). Again it makes no sense. Jun could not important at all, his anime team mirrors his team in the games, which I can't say the same about Professor Oak, Johanna, Professor Elm, and blah blah blah, because they have differences between the two. Professor Oak never had Dragonite in the games, and Johanna never had a Glameow in the games (she only had a Kangaskhan).You know I can understand that it would make some articles with little information(a paragraph at the most). But remember COTD's information really small (just pointing to the connection not importance). And besides if Johanna's game information was so damn important, it would show up on this page http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mom. And when I pointed to the COTDs, you totally missed the point. See your arguement is if they didn't have a important role in the games they don't deserve their own article. Okay I get it but why is it when they aren't important to the anime they deserve their own article. Isn't that a double standard? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::He may be a COTD in the anime but in the game he's a MAIN character and all his Cross-canon incarnations count as separate characters. It's you who started mixing random characters to this. They have no bearing here. They're a separate issue. And the fact that they possess different Pokémon than in the games doesn't reflect anything. It's about the characters, not their Pokémon. Please leave non-protagonist characters alone, they're a separate issue. And do you realise that the thing about COTDs you mentioned are actually an argument IN FAVOUR of having an article on Jun. You're contradicting yourself. I could use your arguements against you if I wanted it, but I don't feel like doing it. You have weak and newbish reasons. I'm sick of debating with people like you. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Like me? Damn if you are so sure you know anything about me, write my biography. And no I wasn't contradicting myself I was making a connection. It's only a contradiction when I'm adamant about Jun not having an article. In fact I have no problem with it, the problem I do have is that while Jun has it's own articles, certain characters don't. And hell if COTD was any indication of anything, it would mean we would have articles about Johanna, Professor Oak because hell they showed up in the anime, don't they deserve their own anime articles. Who cares that they have game information? And again it's all double standards. Oh but I suppose YOU don't have a problem with it.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: I forgot, when I said Jun could be like COTD, I meant that it "should" be on his game page, just like Professor Oak, and Johanna. But again double standards.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Adding to the fire, but, seriously, the answer to the problem is in his name. If his game article is going to be called "Pearl (game)", then "Jun (anime)" should deserve his own page, BECAUSE he's not called Pearl. GLs, the five partners, all direct game references with no name changes don't deserve their own separate page.

HOWEVER. Jun's game name defaults as Pearl. He is not Pearl. He is Jun (and hopefully, in the future, Barry). He should get his own paged based on the fact that he isn't called his default game name, just like Ash isn't called Red and Gary isn't called Green/Blue. Riley will still be Riley, Winona was still Winona. Pearl isn't Jun, and it isn't fair to designate him under Pearl simply because nothing changed about him personally. They'll act the same, but Gary acted the same way as his game C/P all through Kanto, and if this was then, Gary still would have gotten his own page. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
: I have no problem with Gary or Ash from the anime because it's obvious they are slightly different then their Game counterparts. When we have Jun who is exactly like his game counterpart only his name is different is the problem. Jun looks exactly like Pearl (game) and most likely has the same team (3 of his 6 are). Forget it....... I don't care anymore, have your weird Bulbapedia format, where a game rival is more important than a game/anime article character is related to an anime article character.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 16:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Okay, here's why he's not under Pearl's page. ==

Because '''''he's not Pearl any more than Gary Oak is Blue'''''. Remember, Gary was as much a jerk as Blue. They even both said "smell ya later" I believe. Gary's team may not be based on Blue's in any games, but so what? What's to say Jun's last three Pokémon aren't something completely random?

He has the same clothes. Great. He has the same team. Great. Gary has the same clothes as Blue in both RGBY and FRLG and he's got a separate article.

The title of the episode is ''Rival Trainer Jun Appears!'' not ''Rival Trainer Pearl Appears!''. His name is Jun. Not Pearl. Just like how {{tt|Kenta|Jimmy}}, not {{ga|Gold}}, and {{jo|Marina}}, not {{tt|Crys|Kris}}, appeared in the ''[[Legend of Thunder]]'' special. Brendan and Lucas weren't given separate names nor even much of an appearance, but Jun appears in an episode titled after and focusing on him. Jimmy and Marina do the same in LOT, though they didn't exactly name the thing.

Essentially, though, here's what it is: Game protagonists and rivals who appear in the anime get a separate page for their anime iteration if their role is large enough. {{ga|Silver}} appeared in the opening for LOT, and nothing else (plus {{an|Silver}} is that old guy who everyone <s>knows</s> thinks is [[Ash Ketchum|the idiot]]'s dad anyway). {{ga|Brendan}} was in the opening segment of three movies, but did little more than send out one Pokémon and order it to use a move. Whoo, give the man a page. No really. He's not notable enough in the anime for his own page. {{ga|Lucas}} does even less; he battled only ONCE in a movie opening.

Plus, well, with the exception of May and Dawn, all of the game protagonists and antagonists have different names from their anime counterparts. {{tt|Satoshi|Ash}}, not Red. {{tt|Shigeru|Gary}}, not {{tt|Green|Blue}}. {{tt|Kenta|Jimmy}}, not Gold. Marina, not {{tt|Crys|Kris}}. {{tt|Jun|And he's gonna be protected from moving to an English name until next year or longer!}}, not Pearl.

In closing.
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| width="15%" | Gary was here Ash is a loser!
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'''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks, TTE! Anyway, would you mind unblocking the page. There are things I would change. There is no proof that he's from Twinleaf. I would also delete the template. There is no proof that he'll be a recurring rival. I know the page was created pretty early but I'm a bit sick of the fact that Bulbapedia Admins block EVERYTHING lately. The blocked pages are usually the ones I want to edit. It sometimes feels that the admins simply want to use their powers. Please unblock the page, you won't regret it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::Eh, it won't be too long, and being that he's based on a main game character... And besides, Gary appeared once every, what, eight thousand episodes? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

I found a pic that has him centered, rther than b all the way to the lef. Shouldn't we use that pic?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Anyway, we are changing the image once the episode airs. No need to use the preview images. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 18:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It's this pic [[Image: DP101Jun.jpg]]. Much better, right?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:No such image exists. No one is supposed to upload images for you anyway. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 18:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
There was an image that was recently on
:That's my pic! and it's PNG!!!!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 18:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:DP101Jun.png]]

I think it's very good Luc--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:We will have more choice of pics when the episode airs, not now. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 18:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::I see..Okay, And I forgot your name Kuki! dang it,~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 18:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Kuki's name is Scott--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 20:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring character ==

Why is there the [[Template:animecharacters]] there? there is no proof yet that he will make a reappearance.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 01:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:In the preview there is :]--[[User:David aipom|''デビッド Aipom '']] [[User talk:David aipom|(Speaks To Me):] 秘密の通信 ]] 17:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

What do you guys say in changing the current image in the page with [[Image:Pearlanime.PNG]]? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:The current one is better quality. I oppose the replacement. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::Changing the format to .png when it's already been a .jpg doesn't do it anything but make it a bigger file size. If you took the screenshot yourself, take it again and save it as a .png the first time. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I changed the screenshot. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 21:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Jmath's one is of slightly better quality, but really, it's hardly noticeable, even at full size. I don't think it matters which one goes up. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] 22:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::The current one is also too plain and nothing special. This one at least is more action packed. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 20:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring phrase ==

He says one thing over and over again in the episode, whenever he runs into Ash and lost the battle to Ash. Not knowing any Japanese, I turn to others out there to ask what it means [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

:You mean the "Nandio, Nandio, Nandatendio" or something like that? '''[[Pachirisu (Pokémon)|パチリス]][[User:Pachirisulover12|の恋人]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 01:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

::That's the one [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

==Main==
Is he a part of the group, because he's still with Ash and them going to Canalave when he already has the badge, and he's been with them ever since his first appearence. [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 14:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
:Probably just another [[Todd Snap|Todd]]. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

oh yeah i fergot about that, haha sorry [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 15:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
::Of course.....maybe not...[[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']] 18:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Page for his Empoleon? ==

I feel his Empoleon deserves a page. It is his main battling Pokémon, and has been seen in 3 episodes so far. So I think it deserves a page. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 18:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
:So has Aoi's Shinx but it doesn't have a page. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
::It's not about how many times it appears, it's about how much of a significance the Pokémon is.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 05:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

:::For all we know, this guy'll never appear again. Then again, he could also reveal himself as {{si|Kenny}}'s brother and that the Empoleon is actually borrowed from Kenny, meaning the Empoleon could [[Kenny's Prinplup|already have an article and we don't even know it]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

::::well I doubt anyone thought that Morrison would appear again and he did, plus he seems to be more signifacint than other charecters, but in this discussion I have to say that we'll have to wait until he appears again----[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 18:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Palmer ==

when we put palmer there in realtives........[[User:Bakunawa|Bakunawa]] 04:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:Not yet. It needs to be confirmed in the anime first. Although the character is based on {{ga|Pearl}}, not all aspects might be carried across. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== Protect? ==

Before the Heracross mania begins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Anime section ==

Could someone *cough*an admin*cough* fix the main body of the article to say he ''did'' appear in Dp110 and 111? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 11:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== Again, why protected? ==

Because someone can jump with Barry or Damion? Come on! No one will do it. The people here know that unconfirmed information SHALL NOT be posted here. So, I think there is NO REASON to hold this page protected until April. He may reappear 5 times until then. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
: It's not hurting anything. Yeah, everyone out there wants to jump on and call him Barry but as far as we know, he's not going to have {{tt|any major apperances|although a scan claiming to be from K-Zone claimed he'll appear around Snowpoint, after which Ash's Torkoal will evolve....}}as he's still training on Iron Island. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 17:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
::You know that scan had been a fake right? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That's why I said claiming and claimed... We know that it's not [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jun's Pokemons ==
I'm can to make a page for Jun others pokemons (Roserade,Staraptor and Heracross)?
[[User:Pokedigo|Pokedigo]] 16:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Just having one for Empoleon is fine. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 16:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Okay why? ==

Why is it being protected until April 5th? That's a ridiculously long length. I would understand if you wanted to protect it on March 15 to April 5th, but not now. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jun=Barry ==

A new episode title hinted that his name is Barry. Quite frankly, I don't know who else it would belong to, so can we unlock this and change it to match the dub title? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 14:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

:Dude regarding this I have had battles with the admins for half my life here. And however good proofs you may find , even if Satoshi Tjari comes and confirms it they will always say "Wait till it airs". --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 14:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::Its better to be consistent. If they make an exception just for this one, every other page has to get this treatment, meaning total breakdown. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 15:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Cant imagine TTE and specially DETH allowing it. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Didn't [[Morrison]] get this treatment as well? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Wasnt here then. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::OMG, that's one of the examples of when the "Until it airs" policy fails. The admins believed the episode title, yet they don't believe that the character would be named Barry? Come on, that's just RIDICULOUS! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It should be verified by the title, though...--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 12:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Maxim, you have to live with it, even though it's obvious, we still have to wait.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 12:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::But this is IRRATIONAL. As irrational as standing in for admins' stupid decisions... That simply makes no sense and it's pathetic. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::That's the rules.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Every rule has an exception, which clinche it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::I agree that at this point, it seems ridiculous to protect the article until dub airing. "Barry" is in the title, no other character in the episode could possibly be named "Barry" and going by the list of default game names "Barry" is the English equivalent of "Jun". I mean... I'd say that if we try running it by the [[WP:Duck test|Duck test]], it's pretty conclusive what Jun's English name is. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 05:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I'd like to change it too. But if we did, then we'd have to do it for everyone. Besides, it won't kill you to wait a couple of weeks. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I hate Bulbapedia's "wait until it airs" rule...that's the reason why I don't depend on this site anymore...it's not updated...and I'm pretty sure many people feel the same.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 06:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I don't, the rule to me is pretty simple. Now run along children we got nine days before DP101 airs.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::What if the episode airs and the title happens to be different? What if Jun isn't Barry? You have to look at it that way. Need I remind you of [[Solidad|Samantha]] and [[Ada (Kanto)|Audrey]]? Technically we are updated with the ''confirmed'' information. If you don't like it, join the Bulbanews and post it there or request that they post it. They have no restrictions. See that's the problem, people treat Bulbapedia like a news site such as Serebii. It's not. That's what Bulbanews is for. However, it is kind of hypocritical that we submit new titles of episodes before airing but not this... Maybe something should be changed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::::WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS RULE. Lets vote. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 09:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

No.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

:I do not agree with the opinion that if we moved Barry, we would have to do it for everyone. "Everyone" does not have an officially confirmed name (through a title). Barry has. Come on, the title REVEALED this name. If we believed that the title is real, then why do we refuse to believe that the name is real? Moving the page WOULD NOT be a big breakage of the Bulbapedia's Policies, as there actually IS an evidence that the name is real. That "What if the episode title happens to be different?" is completely bullshit. At this logic, we should not believe in any leaked titles. At this logic, Bulbapedia SHOULD NOT allow putting episode titles in the articles before the airing. But it does. Hypocrisy much? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
::Logical fallacy. You don't have to move an article for the English title. Dub names for characters do require that, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:::So, that's all about effort... Eh... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Jun's Piplup ==

I may be incorrect, but I've heard that in the recent episode Jun mentioned that he started with/has had a Piplup. Shouldn't his Pokémon list be updated accordingly? [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 23:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:Proof? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, I watched the subbed version. Barry says that the road of getting Prinplup to evolve into Empoleon is difficult, which would imply that he's had it at least since it was Prinplup. However, this isn't exactly a comfirmation. After all, we still won't allow the mentioning of Drew possibly having his Flygon since it was Vibrava after saying something similar. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::No matter how any lecture may be worded, if it doesn't appear explicit enough, it ain't confirmation. Even if that conversation were more solid to confirm Barry had it as a Prinplup, the possibility would still exist that he caught it as a wild Prinplup and then ditched his {{p|Turtwig|real starter}} afterwards...

:::(Note that the destination of the link may not reflect the accuracy of Barry's overall backstory, just the most likely case from the perspective of the games assuming Dawn's basis is that of player character. And remember, "most likely" does NOT mean "confirmed" by any stretch of the imagination.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== So, what? Move problem ==

[[Barry]] currently redirects to [[Pearl (game)]]. What are we doing? Are we moving this to "Barry (anime)" and changing "Barry" into a disambig? Or maybe delete the redirect and move the page to "Barry" with the headnote about Pearl? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:Personally, I think [[Barry]] should be the disambig, since that's the first choice of the names for {{ga|Pearl}} in both Diamond and Platinum. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Duet ==

In ''Barry's Busting Out All Over!'', Dawn points out that Barry was in a 'duet with the exploud' which is similar to [[Pearl (Special)|Pearl]] and [[Diamond (Special)|Diamond]] and their comedy duo. Should that be in the trivia section? Or is that a totally different thing? I thought it was a bit interesting but that's just me --[[User:Talli|ταllı]][[User talk:Talli|☆]] 23:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Change Picture ==
I think you should change Barrys' picture back to http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5e/Pearlanime.PNG
I think it's better than the current one on his page. The current one on his page isn't very good in my opinion, no offence... {{unsigned|Pichachu-San}}
:Agreed. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
::the one on the page is both HD and a better shot. it stays. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:20, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
But isn't this one HD too? And it's just his face looks a little messes up. Besides, this is an EPIC shot of barry! And who doesn't like epicness?!

Talk:Pokémon Platinum Version

2009-11-19T02:16:35Z

Pichachu-San: /* Rival's harder */

==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from November 30, 2007–September 18, 2008)

== And... The reviews are pouring in. ==

Somebody should add them to the article. I would but my computer is acting all screwy right now. All I know is Famitsu gave it a 36, the reveiwers all gave it 9's. [[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 19:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Well... ==

There's still a link to [[Torn World]] in here somewhere instead of [[Ruined World]], but I can't find it. It's important that we call it what it's been dubbed as by Nintendo, and that's the [[Ruined World]], not the mistranslated [[Torn World]]. So, if anyone happens to see that, would you mind changing it? Thanks. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:"Torn" isn't a mistranslation. Nintendo just went with something different. (Just...clearing that up...) Anyway, I don't see any links to "Torn World" after using Ctrl+F.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::ya, cause I fixed it--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 15:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

==Spring 2009 Rumor==

People, that magazine scan is from Beckett Magazine. The issue that is posted in is from last November, and it is the first thing listed in this page's archive.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Beckett? Then there's ''no way'' it's going on the page.
:Got that, everyone?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::And the English translations normally take about 6-8 months to come out anyways. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree with the rumor, but we still need reliable sources on release dates.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::As do I, since Pt came out in Japan two weeks before DP's second anniversary, the same thing would likely happen with the English. But yes, the Beckett rumor has been around since before JAPAN had a concrete date. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

==Resort Area Villas==
Can anyone post a pic of that? {{unsigned|Drybones}}
:A gallery isn't necesary anymore. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

A picture would be nice.
[[User:Drybones|Drybones]] 09:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Drybones: A member of Team Rootbeer.
:There are a lot more things that deserve an image on this article than the villa. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 10:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== The 'Un-DeFog-able Mist' in Eterna Forest... ==

Seems more like shadows being cast by Forest Canopy than the mist, with shafts of light breaking through and leaving those patches... Using the picture of Gardenia outside the Old Chateau in the [[Eterna Forest]] article as a reference, there's even an edging to it where it thins and lets a little more light through.

[[Image:Old chateau out.PNG]]

Or am I just being crazy? --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 17:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
:I didn't understand... but seems like you think that it is fog? It's obvious that it's nothing but the shadows of the clouds, or the suppossed overgrown trees that cover the sky. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::That's what Jaffa is trying to tell people. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 05:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I should have made myself more clear... It's listed in the 'Map Changes' section as a 'Mist' that can't be DeFog-ed and it's been bugging me for a while. I didn't want to jump right in and edit it without opening up a discussion first, just in case someone takes offense or disagrees... --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 10:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::::It needs to be changed. It's misleading. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:That screen-shot is way too dark. Seriously, that shadow is nowhere as powerful on a real {{tt|DS|DS Lite with lowest back-light setting}}. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 20:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't look like fog. Fog is more of a white. If it's not shadow cast by the trees, it would be smog. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:I thought I said above it was a shadow..? [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 10:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey...wait just a minute here. I think I see a HUGE mistake. These shadows are supposed to be coming from the froest canopy but, where are the trunks of these giant, overhead trees? All I can see here are the smaller trees lining the path. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 16:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Doesn't really matter. We'll find out when the game is realeased in English. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Don't you have imagination? These games are RPGs!!! Houses are bigger inside than outside, don't you note it? It's because you need more imagination. Don't you remember the Ilex Forest? Those trees were even smaller than Eterna's ones, but there was a sign right after the shrine that said "Ilex Forest is dark because the trees cover the sky". It seems like they wanted to do something like that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course I notice that houses are bigger on the inside. I just figure that the character (and other characters) is smaller when outside than what the sprite suggests and its inside size is the 'true' size. Well, the game makers have been making mistakes for ages; shadows with no trees to cast them. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Release Date ==

I added the Japanese release date to the first paragraph; if you have any problems with it, do what you wish. [[User:Mwakin21|Mwakin21]] 20:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== My Pokémon Ranch Patch ==

I read this on Serebii that they got info on the patch for my Pokémon ranch for japan. Its unknown if other patches will come out in different languages. It's free to upgrade notice UPGRADE which means you have to already have it. [[User:Luckario|Luckario]] 21:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's not released as a patch as such. I believe it will just be re-download, like other updated titles. Anyone who hasn't brought it after it gets updated, will just download the updated version. That's how I understand it anyway, and yes - I have a Wii and have updated software on it. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Crud.... ==

Can somebody please go through the whole Platinum article to search for spelling and grammar mistakes? I had done that yesterday, even making the same changes to the trivia entry that Hfc2x just edited, but I forgot to save, leading to the changes being lost. I don't have time in the next few days to go through again, so to whoever does, thanks! [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tense Error? ==

I went through a few bits of the article, and I saw many "will be" and other such future tense verbs. Now that the game is out, shouldn't the verbs be in the present tense? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:They should, but im not going to do such a boring job if you wanna go thrugh them all you can --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Yes they should be. Thanks for looking while I was gone. And thank you to UltimateSephiroth for actually changing it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Im so glad you found something to do on a Sunday. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:::You're welcome, though I reckon editing only a few mistakes :P UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 18:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::At least it's something. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== Comestic "Error" Trivia ==
About that, I would like to point out that this is the Torn World.... rules need not apply. I would not be surprised if this was on purpose. Keep in mind that the Platinum Orb is the most unique item in Pokémon History... it disappears in link battles with other versions. The Orb may be seperately programmed due to this. {{Unsigned|Paperfairy}}
:Please remember to sign next time. And for the Orb, this is in the Gen IV series. They wouldn't put things like that in. And I wouldn't go as far as saying that the PO is the most unique item. There is a set place to find it, while other items, like the Light Ball or Lucky Egg, are a very low find rate, and even then, it's totally random. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

::Actually, I don't think this is an error, when I got Giratina in the Turnback Cave in Diamond, after I got back to its room, I found a Rare Bone, and when I picked it up the same thing happened, the "[PLAYER] received a Rare Bone" appears before the item disappeared. Maybe this isn't a "Cosmetic Error", it seems like its somehow linked to Giratina. [[User:Heaven Arceus|Heaven Arceus]] 01:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Mom? ==

Let's discuss this, then. I believe "Mom" is refered to as Johanna in the contest hall by Keira (and during contests). Does this seem like enough reason to call her Johanna? --[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

:That did come to mind, but it is more practical to just say "the player's mother". [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I guess you're right.'''--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, the only reason {{u|Urutapu}} is being like this is because the original edit was made by me. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Uh, Admins (usually) aren't that shallow. All the other games didn't name the player's mom, but Diamond and Pearl, and I assume Platinum, did. However, would anyone ever call their own mother by their name? No, they would call her "Mom". Therefore, Bulbapedia should probably do the same. I have mixed views about this, so I think an Admin should settle this.--[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 20:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

<big>SUCK UP</big> just cos someone is an admin doesnt mean they are right, it just means in the past they have added loads of stuff to Bulba.--[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Please stop arguing over things like this, Guardian. You've gotten into word fights with people before, and nobody likes to have to see that. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::And your being a troll over it. YAY!--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
You know, Guardian, you would be tolerated far more if you didn't go around acting like a tool. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

Just quit it guys. This isn't helping anything. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Thanks for the great Example.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::Yes, it is rather amusing to see people attempt to make an attempt on my use of the English language, while at the same time screwing it up themselves.
:::FYI Guardian, O person who thinks they know everything, the word "tool" has more than one meaning.
:::End of the discussion. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 02:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

== Yay ==

Please don't touch the links for mom or Johanna in this article any more. They have been fixed by Kkllnn, and to avoid fights, don't change them again.
::And I realize that this sounds like I'm trying to be an admin, but I don't want to have things constantly changing in the articles. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought these pages were to help add on to the article! Please, i'm not from Bukbapedia, but i LOVE Pokemon,so if you will please suck it up! we are all people here! Does it matter if some of us are admins?? (although i have no clue what that is)! [[User: Kasumi12]] 19:02 19 November 2008 (utc)
:The pages ARE for helping, but people were fighting over how to do the links. And I was saying I'm not an admin (administrator), but my request made me sound like I was pretending to be one. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
::???? How did ''I'' fix them? All I did was put a simpler link...--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| カメックス]] 21:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:::People stopped changing it didn't they? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

==Wikipedia release date==
over there they say that the Europe release date is Summer 2009, can someone check its source? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 12:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:The source does not say ANYTHING about the release date, not even for Japan. And you have to remember, Wikipedia isn't the best source, as anybody can go in and edit things. The Euro release date is a speculation, as is the U.S. release. We can only assume it will be released in the next year or so. The only thing said about releases in the source article is this: "If this feature makes it to the European release - and we've no reason to believe it won't - then we'll be very happy Bunearys indeed." And the quote is referencing the Wi-fi upgrades only. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Game before anime ==

the recent jap episode is clearly based on PT, you know the one with Rotom, so the game has to be released before that episode airs to follow the rule of game before anime. So if some geeks could work out when this Rotom episode should air in USA, then look around 3 months prior to that date, that would likely be the release date

::Evidence:
*In japan PT was released on Sep 13, 3 months later = dec 13, now admitedly the episode aired a little bit different than that date, but its still close. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

:Math time. The most recent episode came out about 5 months after it came out in Japan. So, based on your logic, Platinum would come out in February, right? I think that's a little too early.—[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 21:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

No, not my logic at all. How can i explain this better.

*this episode (Rotom one) is directly linked to platinum, as it is about a platinum only event.
*General rule is that the game comes out before the anime
*So if you can work out when this particular episdoe (Rotom one) will air in USA, then you know that Platinum has to come out before that.

So if there is a geek who is willing to work out when each episode will air, find out when the Rotom one airs in USA and then we know that Platinum will come out say 3 months before that. As Platinum needs to be released before an episode in the anime relating to Platinum can be released. If the general rule isnt to be broken. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Who says they can't stop airing new episodes until Platinum is released? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

good point, they could put the show on hiatus, although this has only happened once due to PGZ --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

If I can remember right, the dubs come out anywhere from 1-3 months after the episode shows. This'll give us untill January-March to get Platinum if you're theory is correct, Guardian. Unfortunately for us, I doubt we'll get it by then... but who knows? The Pokémon translators have pulled through at times we wouldn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:If you get Pt within three months, you Americans are very lucky. My brother just bought a DS Lite and Pokémon Diamond, and it bugs me because I decided to wait until Platinum which supposedly lands in Europe as late as next summer... Let's hope the translators have switched the turbo switch on :P '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:Why don't you just order one when they come out here then? I know it would be a bit more expensive, but you would get it at least a month, if not more, earlier. Unless you don't care THAT much. I would be spazzing out if I lived where you do, from lack of Pokémon when I needed it. :) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I give it April, still. It comes out the same amount of time after JpPt as USDP did after JpDP... April 7. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::True. All we can do right now is guess and hope it comes out before we die. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

i dunno about you, but im not planning on dying next year --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:People seldom plan their death except in cases of suicide. And this is totally offtopic, so it should be stopped right here. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::The anime is moving fast, so I don't know about this. Unless the developers hurry up and get the game to us, season 12 will begin without it. Already, Shaymin is being revealed, but Arceus won't be until the game is released. [[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 22:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Hehe... you guys took me too literally. I didn't really mean die. I meant we should hope it comes out in English and that the Japanses aren't selfish this time. BUT it already has an English release date, so we don't have to worry any more. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== Possible release source ==

I dunno what you guys will think about this, but someone added to the WP article. [http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Pokemon-Platinum-Nintendo-DS-045496740177/sem/rpsm/oid/232753/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do] No idea how legit it is. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because retailers make up dates. However, I doubt things like the game's features (Wi-Fi Plaza, Distortion World) came from anywhere but Nintendo. Still, I'd wait for a press release directly from Nintendo.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, Mr Boss-Guy Echidna seems to think its accurate enough. Teh page iz protected :( Now trom can't edit — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Damn right it's protected. Plus, Circuit City did seem to get the info straight from Ninty. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Why are you guys doubting Circuit City? If the game's good enough for them to sell it, then why would they lie? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:From like, half an inch above: "It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because '''retailers make up dates'''." It doesn't seem to be the case ''here'', but it ''is'' the usual case.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I realized that after I re-read everything on here. I tend to miss things like that when I'm tired. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Um.... problem. ==

Why are we still saying the release date is good, yet the link doesn't work any more? And yeah, I realize that this contradicts what I said above this. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:Now that's odd, they pulled the whole game from the site :S I certainly don't know whether to believe that date or not. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Stupid Nintendo... I think that Circuit City did that accidentally then. (Why are we on at the same time every day?) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds like someone is guilty of putting up something they shouldn't have... [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 03:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I checked Nintendo.com and it does not mention any release date for Pokemon Platinum in the US. So I don't think the date mentioned is accurate. [[User:drichard08|drichard08]] 14:48, 10 December 2008
:Read the bulbanews article. it was shortly taken down[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==now I'm confused==

ok everyone is saying platinum isn't {{tt|officially|can't remember how to spell it}} revealed, but I have this weeks and last weeks {{tt|oficial|still can't remember}} nintendo magazine and they have mentioned it in both [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 23:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone knows its revealed, we're just not taking any of the info the say other than the release date seriously as there are 3 different translations of the [[Torn World]] floating around. Offical [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Still wrong: official [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 11:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Spell check is your friend. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 19:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:Ah the benefits of firefox. not that i use spell check though[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::The fact that Circuit City moved so fast to remove it lends credence to the release. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree, going back on what I said before, that it was most likely a mistake that it was revealed. Either by an overenthusiastic employee, or Nintendo decided too late to not reveal the dates yet. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

==The Cruel Irony==

Beckett was right. It was right about not only Ranger 2 coming out in Fall, but they knew that Platinum would come out in Spring 2009. And to think an unofficial fan magazine knew about it before it was even revealed in Japan... [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

:General consensus was that it would be out Spring 2009. It wasn't just reported by them, it was reported by practically everyone. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 23:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, but this was before anyone even knew about it in Japan. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary encounters ==

If you read Pokemon.com's first english-texted picture of Pokémon Platinum,you will realize the text: "The Distortion World's Giratina appeared!"
Instead of the usual "wild so and so appeared!"!
I think that this will apply to all legendaries.
In my opinion it's a cool thing underlining the uniqueness of Giratina(and maybe other legendaries)
[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/f/f8/Ani407MS.gif]] 13:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... interesting. That's a new twist I didn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do you plan on putting this in the article? If not..this doesn't need to be here. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, we COULD put it in either the Aesthetic or Gameplay Changes, trivia, or just leave it out for now. It just depends on if we agree it's important or not important enough. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It'd be more {{tt|notable|important}} if it could be confirmed for ''all'' legends. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I've been trying to find out if it's for only the Giratina and Shaymin formes, or for all legendaries. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== First English Screenshot ==
[[Image:English_screenshot.PNG|thumb|First screenshot]]
We have confirmation of Pokémon Platinum on Pokemon.com but we also have the first screenshot of the game. It is the battle scene of Giratina in the Distortion World. Unfortunately, I can't load upload the picture on the Bulbagarden Archives because it keeps coming up with an error. This is so exciting its closer than we think. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia Section Error ==

"Platinum is the first game to be named after a metal since Pokémon Gold and Silver. However, both Gold and Silver are also considered colors, making Platinum the first game named solely after a metal."

I beg to differ. Platinum is considered as much of a color as both gold and silver. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 04:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:Technically it isn't its own color. It's a silver, or a gray. It's like saying forest green and grass green are two totally different colors. They're both shades of green. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::Gold is a shade of yellow and silver is a shade of gray then. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 17:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Basically. But they were discovered as metals first, and then gold and silver eventually became colors. If you ask somebody on the streets what the color platinum looks like, a lot wouldn't know. If you ask what color IS platinum, they would know. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::::"Platinum" is still considered a color in the same sense that gold and silver are. To say that it isn't considered a color at all is both misleading and false. I've also read and heard descriptions of certain objects as being "platinum-colored", so it isn't completely unused. Regardless, this needs to be changed. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 23:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree, and I never said it wan't a color. If I did, I meant to get to the point that a lot of people don't consider it a color. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:To be specific, Platinum looks like a lighter shade of silver. Basically, officially, it's a color.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 16:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
So why hasn't this been edited yet? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 20:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

==Altered Forme==

I request that all "Another Formes" on this page be replaced with "Altered Forme," as that is the official English name. Thank you. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 19:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

:There ''are'' no instances of Another Forme on this page. Just checked. '''Edit:''' Ah. My mistake, they were previously changed. ''Merry Christmas from'' [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 20:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Europe Release 22 May 2009==

On the website Pokemon-France.com there is a possible Europe release date, 22 May 2009. This is not yet confirmed by Nintendo, but is likely to be the Europe release for Pokémon Platinum. [[User:Bisasam|Bisasam]] 10:02, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Is it an official website?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:: I think it's not an official Nintendo website, but Filb.de said, the source was reliable and believable. [[User:Bisasam|Bisasam]] 17:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmmm... It seems likely that it is. But we shouldn't jump to conclusions yet. Wait until we have a bit more information on it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::HMV says it's in July [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::well turns out it is confirmed released in Europe 22 of May [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 15:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== Development section ==

Sure we add a "Development" section devoted to the the stages of development and pre-release information, not just to this game page but to all the games?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:The beta pages are there for a reason. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 12:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Hmmmm... That is true. But, unfortunately it was removed from the page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Platinum_beta&diff=prev&oldid=583965 some time ago]. It kinda started a bit of an edit war on the page.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Unprotect ==

Can we unprotect the page so people can edit the article, there is still a lot of stuff to be added, stuff that has been confirmed. But I can't add it cause it's blocked. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 18:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, I agree. And someone needs to at the European release date, May 22, 2009.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 20:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, by now it should really be unprotected, I mean there's still a bit of info that needs to be added, yes, like the European release date. What admin can we get? I guess I'll put it in the page summary and if any admin sees this in recent changes, they'll hopefully check it out...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 05:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, I'll BUMP it. Now its times like these I wish I was an admin.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

There's a sigh... *SIGH*. When can we get it unprotected? Wait... if the admins think it should be protected until it comes out, we'll just have to live with that... I mean its just couple of edits and we're all mature people here, maybe an admin might put those edits on the page.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 11:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe your right. Its just one date. They will come round with themselves soon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's not just a date, what about renaming Wi-Fi Square and Battle Recorder to their official English names (Wi-Fi Plaza and Vs. Recorder, respectively)? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::We're the main editing force, yet our right to edit is unfairly limited because of admins' fondness of protecting. And it's not always easy to find an admin online (especially if someone lives in Europe, just like me). There is NO REAL REASON to hold this page protected. I'm all for UNPROTECTING IT? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree. The article refers to [[Wi-Fi Plaza]] as Wi-Fi Square!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 18:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just calm down. They most likely have a good reason for keeping it protected. And if they don't, then it still isn't something to get angry about. Just wait. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::STFU! It IS something to be angry about! THERE IS NO FREAKIN' REASON TO KEEP THE PAGE PROTECTED ANYMORE! The admins just piss at us, so they don't unprotect the pages. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::So, what time is it over in Europe. Its about 10:00pm here in Australia. We need an admin who lives in one of this countries to be on at this time because I have noticed the lack of admins on at this hour.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::That means it's late and you're still not on bed. D: 7:00pm in our country. Since no admin around at this time, we should wait until someone wakes up to respond for this problem. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::It's currently 12 AM in my part of Europe. Yes, there's lack of admins here at this time and that's what annoys me. It's freakin' hard for me to catch an admin online, which stops me from editing really many pages. Another reason against that protect-mania among admins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
They should space out the admins. There's like a clump before and there isn't any now. lol. I should go to bed shouldn't I. Its a school night too.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::First, take it to the forums. Second, I doubt you guys could become an admin any time soon. And if you did, you'd have to change your attitudes. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 02:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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The reason why it's staying protected until 3/22 is because people decide to jump the gun. We don't need that happening, we don't wanna waste edits to fix something that someone assumed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

People! I agree with TTE! Take this immature "discussion" to the forums! Plus, you shouldn't talk rudely about the admins. Its their choice and I will act maturely and respect that choice. When the time for unprotection will come, I know for one that it will be the right time, plus its the time it comes out in America. I trust the admins and I look up to them. So, everyone start acting mature.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 10:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, so Maturity = Lickspittling! GTFO. I hate lickspittles. I still think that keeping the page protecting is just stupid. People jumping the gun? Come on, those are just n00bs. Experienced users know Bulbapedia's policies and rules and they know NOT TO jump the gun. Really, protecting pages for such reason is like... keeping a shop closed just because a thief may rob it while it's open. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Very well said, I'll keep this in mind ^^ hehe. though, one question, what is ''Lickspittling''? I can't find a translation/explanation... [Greets, [[User:MewX|mewX]] ([[User talk:MewX|TALK]])] 15:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

YOU, yeah YOU just don't get it...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::Stop. Like I said, it's no big deal, you got your reason, now leave it alone. They protect it from ''everybody'' so the new users don't feel like everybody's hating them. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

== Email functions ==

On the Pokémon Platinum website, it doesn't have the email function appearently, just Wii message support. --[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 11:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:I saw that in my game, too. Is there maybe a way to get past this?--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 19:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprites ==

The article mistakenly informs that Platinum is the first game to have the Pokémon back sprites animated. It's untrue since that happens in every game since Emerald. Since the page is protected, a mod should correct it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:They're not the same kind of animation. In The other games, they just move back and forth or get bigger or something like that. In Platinum. They actually move. Such as Pikachu for example will move it's head to look behind it. Or Azumarril will do a little dance. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
'''True and False, I heard that Pokémon back sprites do what they do on the front. i don't know but i will find out.''' ''Anoritian''
::What Sketch has is correct. They have different BACK animation than before, not specifically different animation from when facing the player. There may be some similarities in both front and back animation, but it doesn't really matter to add that. "Their back sprites now animate much like their front sprites" is perfectly fine. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::OK, now I understand. I didn't had the idea that I was talking about a different type of animation. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 22:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
== Berry Accessories ==
The prices for the Accessories you can buy in Floaroma Town are cheaper in Platinum. Should that be put in? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:If that is the case, then of course it should be put in. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 12:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Speed of the game ==

Platinum is faster than Diamond and Pearl, no doubt. But can we consider it as fast as the [[Generation III]] games or almost as fast as them, in general and specific terms? It's because I added that information to the article yet saying "almost as fast if not as fast". [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 13:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:Leave it as it is. In some ways the Gen. III games are faster, while in some ways Platinum is faster. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still how do we consider if we put D/P in the subject? I understand you're point and it's right but talking about general speed, should we put this way: Gen III = Platinum > D/P or Gen III ≈ Platinum > D/P? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Nah. Saying that the gameplay is slightly faster is good enough. I'm going to reword it a little though. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Fossils in the Underground ==

How is it determined whether you get Skull or Armor Fossils in the Underground? I read in one place that it depends on your Trainer ID, but I'm not sure. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:For D/P, they're exclusive. Pearl has Armor Fossils and Diamond has Skull Fossils. For Platinum, it doesn't matter. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::It does depend on your Trainer ID number. Odd gets the Diamond distribution, even gets the Pearl one. How lucky for me, I ended up with the Diamond one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:03, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Nevermind then. I haven't bothered to try getting any fossils, so I didn't know. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Missing Pokémon ==

According to the missing Pokémon section of the article, the only ones missing are the Clamperl, Misdreavus, Murkrow, Trapinch, Glameow and Stunky evolution lines. I can't imagine this being true, since I doubt that any of the starters (obviously bar the Gen IV ones) or the Generation II or III Legendaries are available. Is the list incomplete, or are they in fact obtainable in Pt? I haven't played it yet (stupid Europe release date...) so could someone clear this up for me? [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 14:04, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:Those Pokémon have an in-game location in the two previous versions, but are no longer available in Platinum. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 14:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 15:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image cache? ==

Just as we did on the article on Giratina (where for each of its forms the picture changes), can we have this article have different pictures of the boxart in different languages? [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 09:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Huh, guys? ==

"''Platinum's PRNG, or pseudorandom number generator, used for determining a Pokémon's personality value, is "broken", leading to the easier breeding of shiny eggs and negligence to reset in-game events such as what Trainers appear in the Battleground. This also happens with Pokémon Emerald. ''"
Just wondering, but does this mean it's more likely for normal Pokémon too produce a shiny egg, or that if two shiny Pokémon breed (or one) it'll be more likely for them to have a shiny egg? [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 19:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== Would it mean anything if I take this off. ==

at the beginning of the article, it says it "currently awaits for other regions" or something like that. can I take that off. Do you think they will release it in any other region of the world?--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

:We're gonna keep it up until they get announced in another region, or they announce that they won't translate it any more, although that won't be likely. We've done that for the past few games. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== It appears that the SHAYMIN has fled... ==

Hey, when I on the GTS, I came across a message. It was the text box for speaking in the game, and it said what the title above said. It happened when I was on the GTS selection menu (the Deposet a Pokémon, search for a Pokémon, and leave menu). I asking if this has happened to anyone, and if they know how this happened. --[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 1:09:37 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== I need a second opinion about this. ==

I was looking, this is a minor detail but the English Pokémon logo on Platinum is actually brighter then on DP.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 22:22, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:Never mind that's not good for trivia so scratch that.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]]''' 03:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== You guys over exaggerated how Team Galactic act in this game ==

So I noticed that in this section, you guys wrote this: "Team Galactic's plans for world domination and the layouts of their HQs, such as the one in Eterna, have been changed. '''In addition, they openly recognize their goal and are more openly villainous.'''" Um, what? Seriously, wtf? Are you guys trying to make Platinum's plot sound more "mature" and "cool"? They don't recognize their "goal" anymore than they do in Diamond/Pearl. And "openly villainous"? '''Seriously'''? Just because you blow up the Great Marsh doesn't mean you're openly villainous O_o... Sounds to me like whoever wrote that is trying to make the game seem more "mature" and "hip". Because the plot isn't ''that'' different from Diamond & Pearl. --Chaos Rush 00:36:14 (UTC)

EDIT: Bah, who cares. Why am I even writing this? I'm just going to edit the article so it's not misleading. --Chaos Rush 05:40:20 (UTC)
:Fantastic. That's the way wikis are meant to work. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== 1,000 revisions! ==

As of the moment, this page has 1,000 revisions, only being surpassed by [[Ash Ketchum]].--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 17:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:I hate to be a dick, but I just made it 1001. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::LOL.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 12:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

== Rival's harder ==
Is it just me, or does your rival occur a LOT more than usual? And he seems harder to beat than usual...
--[[User:Pichachu-San|idinkuspelld"Pikachu"wrong...]] 02:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Platinum Version

2009-11-19T02:16:20Z

Pichachu-San: /* Rival's harder */

==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from November 30, 2007–September 18, 2008)

== And... The reviews are pouring in. ==

Somebody should add them to the article. I would but my computer is acting all screwy right now. All I know is Famitsu gave it a 36, the reveiwers all gave it 9's. [[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 19:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Well... ==

There's still a link to [[Torn World]] in here somewhere instead of [[Ruined World]], but I can't find it. It's important that we call it what it's been dubbed as by Nintendo, and that's the [[Ruined World]], not the mistranslated [[Torn World]]. So, if anyone happens to see that, would you mind changing it? Thanks. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:"Torn" isn't a mistranslation. Nintendo just went with something different. (Just...clearing that up...) Anyway, I don't see any links to "Torn World" after using Ctrl+F.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::ya, cause I fixed it--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 15:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

==Spring 2009 Rumor==

People, that magazine scan is from Beckett Magazine. The issue that is posted in is from last November, and it is the first thing listed in this page's archive.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Beckett? Then there's ''no way'' it's going on the page.
:Got that, everyone?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::And the English translations normally take about 6-8 months to come out anyways. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree with the rumor, but we still need reliable sources on release dates.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::As do I, since Pt came out in Japan two weeks before DP's second anniversary, the same thing would likely happen with the English. But yes, the Beckett rumor has been around since before JAPAN had a concrete date. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

==Resort Area Villas==
Can anyone post a pic of that? {{unsigned|Drybones}}
:A gallery isn't necesary anymore. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

A picture would be nice.
[[User:Drybones|Drybones]] 09:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Drybones: A member of Team Rootbeer.
:There are a lot more things that deserve an image on this article than the villa. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 10:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== The 'Un-DeFog-able Mist' in Eterna Forest... ==

Seems more like shadows being cast by Forest Canopy than the mist, with shafts of light breaking through and leaving those patches... Using the picture of Gardenia outside the Old Chateau in the [[Eterna Forest]] article as a reference, there's even an edging to it where it thins and lets a little more light through.

[[Image:Old chateau out.PNG]]

Or am I just being crazy? --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 17:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
:I didn't understand... but seems like you think that it is fog? It's obvious that it's nothing but the shadows of the clouds, or the suppossed overgrown trees that cover the sky. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::That's what Jaffa is trying to tell people. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 05:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I should have made myself more clear... It's listed in the 'Map Changes' section as a 'Mist' that can't be DeFog-ed and it's been bugging me for a while. I didn't want to jump right in and edit it without opening up a discussion first, just in case someone takes offense or disagrees... --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 10:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::::It needs to be changed. It's misleading. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:That screen-shot is way too dark. Seriously, that shadow is nowhere as powerful on a real {{tt|DS|DS Lite with lowest back-light setting}}. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 20:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't look like fog. Fog is more of a white. If it's not shadow cast by the trees, it would be smog. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:I thought I said above it was a shadow..? [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 10:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey...wait just a minute here. I think I see a HUGE mistake. These shadows are supposed to be coming from the froest canopy but, where are the trunks of these giant, overhead trees? All I can see here are the smaller trees lining the path. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 16:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Doesn't really matter. We'll find out when the game is realeased in English. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Don't you have imagination? These games are RPGs!!! Houses are bigger inside than outside, don't you note it? It's because you need more imagination. Don't you remember the Ilex Forest? Those trees were even smaller than Eterna's ones, but there was a sign right after the shrine that said "Ilex Forest is dark because the trees cover the sky". It seems like they wanted to do something like that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course I notice that houses are bigger on the inside. I just figure that the character (and other characters) is smaller when outside than what the sprite suggests and its inside size is the 'true' size. Well, the game makers have been making mistakes for ages; shadows with no trees to cast them. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Release Date ==

I added the Japanese release date to the first paragraph; if you have any problems with it, do what you wish. [[User:Mwakin21|Mwakin21]] 20:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== My Pokémon Ranch Patch ==

I read this on Serebii that they got info on the patch for my Pokémon ranch for japan. Its unknown if other patches will come out in different languages. It's free to upgrade notice UPGRADE which means you have to already have it. [[User:Luckario|Luckario]] 21:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's not released as a patch as such. I believe it will just be re-download, like other updated titles. Anyone who hasn't brought it after it gets updated, will just download the updated version. That's how I understand it anyway, and yes - I have a Wii and have updated software on it. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Crud.... ==

Can somebody please go through the whole Platinum article to search for spelling and grammar mistakes? I had done that yesterday, even making the same changes to the trivia entry that Hfc2x just edited, but I forgot to save, leading to the changes being lost. I don't have time in the next few days to go through again, so to whoever does, thanks! [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tense Error? ==

I went through a few bits of the article, and I saw many "will be" and other such future tense verbs. Now that the game is out, shouldn't the verbs be in the present tense? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:They should, but im not going to do such a boring job if you wanna go thrugh them all you can --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Yes they should be. Thanks for looking while I was gone. And thank you to UltimateSephiroth for actually changing it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Im so glad you found something to do on a Sunday. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:::You're welcome, though I reckon editing only a few mistakes :P UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 18:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::At least it's something. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== Comestic "Error" Trivia ==
About that, I would like to point out that this is the Torn World.... rules need not apply. I would not be surprised if this was on purpose. Keep in mind that the Platinum Orb is the most unique item in Pokémon History... it disappears in link battles with other versions. The Orb may be seperately programmed due to this. {{Unsigned|Paperfairy}}
:Please remember to sign next time. And for the Orb, this is in the Gen IV series. They wouldn't put things like that in. And I wouldn't go as far as saying that the PO is the most unique item. There is a set place to find it, while other items, like the Light Ball or Lucky Egg, are a very low find rate, and even then, it's totally random. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

::Actually, I don't think this is an error, when I got Giratina in the Turnback Cave in Diamond, after I got back to its room, I found a Rare Bone, and when I picked it up the same thing happened, the "[PLAYER] received a Rare Bone" appears before the item disappeared. Maybe this isn't a "Cosmetic Error", it seems like its somehow linked to Giratina. [[User:Heaven Arceus|Heaven Arceus]] 01:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Mom? ==

Let's discuss this, then. I believe "Mom" is refered to as Johanna in the contest hall by Keira (and during contests). Does this seem like enough reason to call her Johanna? --[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

:That did come to mind, but it is more practical to just say "the player's mother". [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I guess you're right.'''--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, the only reason {{u|Urutapu}} is being like this is because the original edit was made by me. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Uh, Admins (usually) aren't that shallow. All the other games didn't name the player's mom, but Diamond and Pearl, and I assume Platinum, did. However, would anyone ever call their own mother by their name? No, they would call her "Mom". Therefore, Bulbapedia should probably do the same. I have mixed views about this, so I think an Admin should settle this.--[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 20:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

<big>SUCK UP</big> just cos someone is an admin doesnt mean they are right, it just means in the past they have added loads of stuff to Bulba.--[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Please stop arguing over things like this, Guardian. You've gotten into word fights with people before, and nobody likes to have to see that. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::And your being a troll over it. YAY!--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
You know, Guardian, you would be tolerated far more if you didn't go around acting like a tool. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

Just quit it guys. This isn't helping anything. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Thanks for the great Example.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::Yes, it is rather amusing to see people attempt to make an attempt on my use of the English language, while at the same time screwing it up themselves.
:::FYI Guardian, O person who thinks they know everything, the word "tool" has more than one meaning.
:::End of the discussion. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 02:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

== Yay ==

Please don't touch the links for mom or Johanna in this article any more. They have been fixed by Kkllnn, and to avoid fights, don't change them again.
::And I realize that this sounds like I'm trying to be an admin, but I don't want to have things constantly changing in the articles. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought these pages were to help add on to the article! Please, i'm not from Bukbapedia, but i LOVE Pokemon,so if you will please suck it up! we are all people here! Does it matter if some of us are admins?? (although i have no clue what that is)! [[User: Kasumi12]] 19:02 19 November 2008 (utc)
:The pages ARE for helping, but people were fighting over how to do the links. And I was saying I'm not an admin (administrator), but my request made me sound like I was pretending to be one. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
::???? How did ''I'' fix them? All I did was put a simpler link...--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| カメックス]] 21:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:::People stopped changing it didn't they? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

==Wikipedia release date==
over there they say that the Europe release date is Summer 2009, can someone check its source? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 12:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:The source does not say ANYTHING about the release date, not even for Japan. And you have to remember, Wikipedia isn't the best source, as anybody can go in and edit things. The Euro release date is a speculation, as is the U.S. release. We can only assume it will be released in the next year or so. The only thing said about releases in the source article is this: "If this feature makes it to the European release - and we've no reason to believe it won't - then we'll be very happy Bunearys indeed." And the quote is referencing the Wi-fi upgrades only. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Game before anime ==

the recent jap episode is clearly based on PT, you know the one with Rotom, so the game has to be released before that episode airs to follow the rule of game before anime. So if some geeks could work out when this Rotom episode should air in USA, then look around 3 months prior to that date, that would likely be the release date

::Evidence:
*In japan PT was released on Sep 13, 3 months later = dec 13, now admitedly the episode aired a little bit different than that date, but its still close. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

:Math time. The most recent episode came out about 5 months after it came out in Japan. So, based on your logic, Platinum would come out in February, right? I think that's a little too early.—[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 21:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

No, not my logic at all. How can i explain this better.

*this episode (Rotom one) is directly linked to platinum, as it is about a platinum only event.
*General rule is that the game comes out before the anime
*So if you can work out when this particular episdoe (Rotom one) will air in USA, then you know that Platinum has to come out before that.

So if there is a geek who is willing to work out when each episode will air, find out when the Rotom one airs in USA and then we know that Platinum will come out say 3 months before that. As Platinum needs to be released before an episode in the anime relating to Platinum can be released. If the general rule isnt to be broken. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Who says they can't stop airing new episodes until Platinum is released? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

good point, they could put the show on hiatus, although this has only happened once due to PGZ --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

If I can remember right, the dubs come out anywhere from 1-3 months after the episode shows. This'll give us untill January-March to get Platinum if you're theory is correct, Guardian. Unfortunately for us, I doubt we'll get it by then... but who knows? The Pokémon translators have pulled through at times we wouldn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:If you get Pt within three months, you Americans are very lucky. My brother just bought a DS Lite and Pokémon Diamond, and it bugs me because I decided to wait until Platinum which supposedly lands in Europe as late as next summer... Let's hope the translators have switched the turbo switch on :P '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:Why don't you just order one when they come out here then? I know it would be a bit more expensive, but you would get it at least a month, if not more, earlier. Unless you don't care THAT much. I would be spazzing out if I lived where you do, from lack of Pokémon when I needed it. :) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I give it April, still. It comes out the same amount of time after JpPt as USDP did after JpDP... April 7. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::True. All we can do right now is guess and hope it comes out before we die. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

i dunno about you, but im not planning on dying next year --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:People seldom plan their death except in cases of suicide. And this is totally offtopic, so it should be stopped right here. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::The anime is moving fast, so I don't know about this. Unless the developers hurry up and get the game to us, season 12 will begin without it. Already, Shaymin is being revealed, but Arceus won't be until the game is released. [[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 22:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Hehe... you guys took me too literally. I didn't really mean die. I meant we should hope it comes out in English and that the Japanses aren't selfish this time. BUT it already has an English release date, so we don't have to worry any more. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== Possible release source ==

I dunno what you guys will think about this, but someone added to the WP article. [http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Pokemon-Platinum-Nintendo-DS-045496740177/sem/rpsm/oid/232753/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do] No idea how legit it is. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because retailers make up dates. However, I doubt things like the game's features (Wi-Fi Plaza, Distortion World) came from anywhere but Nintendo. Still, I'd wait for a press release directly from Nintendo.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, Mr Boss-Guy Echidna seems to think its accurate enough. Teh page iz protected :( Now trom can't edit — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Damn right it's protected. Plus, Circuit City did seem to get the info straight from Ninty. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Why are you guys doubting Circuit City? If the game's good enough for them to sell it, then why would they lie? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:From like, half an inch above: "It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because '''retailers make up dates'''." It doesn't seem to be the case ''here'', but it ''is'' the usual case.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I realized that after I re-read everything on here. I tend to miss things like that when I'm tired. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Um.... problem. ==

Why are we still saying the release date is good, yet the link doesn't work any more? And yeah, I realize that this contradicts what I said above this. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:Now that's odd, they pulled the whole game from the site :S I certainly don't know whether to believe that date or not. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Stupid Nintendo... I think that Circuit City did that accidentally then. (Why are we on at the same time every day?) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds like someone is guilty of putting up something they shouldn't have... [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 03:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I checked Nintendo.com and it does not mention any release date for Pokemon Platinum in the US. So I don't think the date mentioned is accurate. [[User:drichard08|drichard08]] 14:48, 10 December 2008
:Read the bulbanews article. it was shortly taken down[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==now I'm confused==

ok everyone is saying platinum isn't {{tt|officially|can't remember how to spell it}} revealed, but I have this weeks and last weeks {{tt|oficial|still can't remember}} nintendo magazine and they have mentioned it in both [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 23:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone knows its revealed, we're just not taking any of the info the say other than the release date seriously as there are 3 different translations of the [[Torn World]] floating around. Offical [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Still wrong: official [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 11:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Spell check is your friend. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 19:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:Ah the benefits of firefox. not that i use spell check though[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::The fact that Circuit City moved so fast to remove it lends credence to the release. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree, going back on what I said before, that it was most likely a mistake that it was revealed. Either by an overenthusiastic employee, or Nintendo decided too late to not reveal the dates yet. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

==The Cruel Irony==

Beckett was right. It was right about not only Ranger 2 coming out in Fall, but they knew that Platinum would come out in Spring 2009. And to think an unofficial fan magazine knew about it before it was even revealed in Japan... [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

:General consensus was that it would be out Spring 2009. It wasn't just reported by them, it was reported by practically everyone. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 23:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, but this was before anyone even knew about it in Japan. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary encounters ==

If you read Pokemon.com's first english-texted picture of Pokémon Platinum,you will realize the text: "The Distortion World's Giratina appeared!"
Instead of the usual "wild so and so appeared!"!
I think that this will apply to all legendaries.
In my opinion it's a cool thing underlining the uniqueness of Giratina(and maybe other legendaries)
[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/f/f8/Ani407MS.gif]] 13:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... interesting. That's a new twist I didn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do you plan on putting this in the article? If not..this doesn't need to be here. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, we COULD put it in either the Aesthetic or Gameplay Changes, trivia, or just leave it out for now. It just depends on if we agree it's important or not important enough. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It'd be more {{tt|notable|important}} if it could be confirmed for ''all'' legends. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I've been trying to find out if it's for only the Giratina and Shaymin formes, or for all legendaries. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== First English Screenshot ==
[[Image:English_screenshot.PNG|thumb|First screenshot]]
We have confirmation of Pokémon Platinum on Pokemon.com but we also have the first screenshot of the game. It is the battle scene of Giratina in the Distortion World. Unfortunately, I can't load upload the picture on the Bulbagarden Archives because it keeps coming up with an error. This is so exciting its closer than we think. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia Section Error ==

"Platinum is the first game to be named after a metal since Pokémon Gold and Silver. However, both Gold and Silver are also considered colors, making Platinum the first game named solely after a metal."

I beg to differ. Platinum is considered as much of a color as both gold and silver. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 04:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:Technically it isn't its own color. It's a silver, or a gray. It's like saying forest green and grass green are two totally different colors. They're both shades of green. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::Gold is a shade of yellow and silver is a shade of gray then. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 17:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Basically. But they were discovered as metals first, and then gold and silver eventually became colors. If you ask somebody on the streets what the color platinum looks like, a lot wouldn't know. If you ask what color IS platinum, they would know. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::::"Platinum" is still considered a color in the same sense that gold and silver are. To say that it isn't considered a color at all is both misleading and false. I've also read and heard descriptions of certain objects as being "platinum-colored", so it isn't completely unused. Regardless, this needs to be changed. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 23:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree, and I never said it wan't a color. If I did, I meant to get to the point that a lot of people don't consider it a color. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:To be specific, Platinum looks like a lighter shade of silver. Basically, officially, it's a color.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 16:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
So why hasn't this been edited yet? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 20:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

==Altered Forme==

I request that all "Another Formes" on this page be replaced with "Altered Forme," as that is the official English name. Thank you. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 19:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

:There ''are'' no instances of Another Forme on this page. Just checked. '''Edit:''' Ah. My mistake, they were previously changed. ''Merry Christmas from'' [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 20:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Europe Release 22 May 2009==

On the website Pokemon-France.com there is a possible Europe release date, 22 May 2009. This is not yet confirmed by Nintendo, but is likely to be the Europe release for Pokémon Platinum. [[User:Bisasam|Bisasam]] 10:02, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Is it an official website?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:: I think it's not an official Nintendo website, but Filb.de said, the source was reliable and believable. [[User:Bisasam|Bisasam]] 17:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmmm... It seems likely that it is. But we shouldn't jump to conclusions yet. Wait until we have a bit more information on it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::HMV says it's in July [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::well turns out it is confirmed released in Europe 22 of May [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 15:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== Development section ==

Sure we add a "Development" section devoted to the the stages of development and pre-release information, not just to this game page but to all the games?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:The beta pages are there for a reason. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 12:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Hmmmm... That is true. But, unfortunately it was removed from the page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Platinum_beta&diff=prev&oldid=583965 some time ago]. It kinda started a bit of an edit war on the page.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Unprotect ==

Can we unprotect the page so people can edit the article, there is still a lot of stuff to be added, stuff that has been confirmed. But I can't add it cause it's blocked. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 18:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, I agree. And someone needs to at the European release date, May 22, 2009.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 20:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, by now it should really be unprotected, I mean there's still a bit of info that needs to be added, yes, like the European release date. What admin can we get? I guess I'll put it in the page summary and if any admin sees this in recent changes, they'll hopefully check it out...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 05:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, I'll BUMP it. Now its times like these I wish I was an admin.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

There's a sigh... *SIGH*. When can we get it unprotected? Wait... if the admins think it should be protected until it comes out, we'll just have to live with that... I mean its just couple of edits and we're all mature people here, maybe an admin might put those edits on the page.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 11:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe your right. Its just one date. They will come round with themselves soon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's not just a date, what about renaming Wi-Fi Square and Battle Recorder to their official English names (Wi-Fi Plaza and Vs. Recorder, respectively)? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::We're the main editing force, yet our right to edit is unfairly limited because of admins' fondness of protecting. And it's not always easy to find an admin online (especially if someone lives in Europe, just like me). There is NO REAL REASON to hold this page protected. I'm all for UNPROTECTING IT? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree. The article refers to [[Wi-Fi Plaza]] as Wi-Fi Square!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 18:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just calm down. They most likely have a good reason for keeping it protected. And if they don't, then it still isn't something to get angry about. Just wait. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::STFU! It IS something to be angry about! THERE IS NO FREAKIN' REASON TO KEEP THE PAGE PROTECTED ANYMORE! The admins just piss at us, so they don't unprotect the pages. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::So, what time is it over in Europe. Its about 10:00pm here in Australia. We need an admin who lives in one of this countries to be on at this time because I have noticed the lack of admins on at this hour.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::That means it's late and you're still not on bed. D: 7:00pm in our country. Since no admin around at this time, we should wait until someone wakes up to respond for this problem. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::It's currently 12 AM in my part of Europe. Yes, there's lack of admins here at this time and that's what annoys me. It's freakin' hard for me to catch an admin online, which stops me from editing really many pages. Another reason against that protect-mania among admins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
They should space out the admins. There's like a clump before and there isn't any now. lol. I should go to bed shouldn't I. Its a school night too.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::First, take it to the forums. Second, I doubt you guys could become an admin any time soon. And if you did, you'd have to change your attitudes. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 02:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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The reason why it's staying protected until 3/22 is because people decide to jump the gun. We don't need that happening, we don't wanna waste edits to fix something that someone assumed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

People! I agree with TTE! Take this immature "discussion" to the forums! Plus, you shouldn't talk rudely about the admins. Its their choice and I will act maturely and respect that choice. When the time for unprotection will come, I know for one that it will be the right time, plus its the time it comes out in America. I trust the admins and I look up to them. So, everyone start acting mature.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 10:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, so Maturity = Lickspittling! GTFO. I hate lickspittles. I still think that keeping the page protecting is just stupid. People jumping the gun? Come on, those are just n00bs. Experienced users know Bulbapedia's policies and rules and they know NOT TO jump the gun. Really, protecting pages for such reason is like... keeping a shop closed just because a thief may rob it while it's open. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Very well said, I'll keep this in mind ^^ hehe. though, one question, what is ''Lickspittling''? I can't find a translation/explanation... [Greets, [[User:MewX|mewX]] ([[User talk:MewX|TALK]])] 15:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

YOU, yeah YOU just don't get it...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::Stop. Like I said, it's no big deal, you got your reason, now leave it alone. They protect it from ''everybody'' so the new users don't feel like everybody's hating them. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

== Email functions ==

On the Pokémon Platinum website, it doesn't have the email function appearently, just Wii message support. --[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 11:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:I saw that in my game, too. Is there maybe a way to get past this?--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 19:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprites ==

The article mistakenly informs that Platinum is the first game to have the Pokémon back sprites animated. It's untrue since that happens in every game since Emerald. Since the page is protected, a mod should correct it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:They're not the same kind of animation. In The other games, they just move back and forth or get bigger or something like that. In Platinum. They actually move. Such as Pikachu for example will move it's head to look behind it. Or Azumarril will do a little dance. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
'''True and False, I heard that Pokémon back sprites do what they do on the front. i don't know but i will find out.''' ''Anoritian''
::What Sketch has is correct. They have different BACK animation than before, not specifically different animation from when facing the player. There may be some similarities in both front and back animation, but it doesn't really matter to add that. "Their back sprites now animate much like their front sprites" is perfectly fine. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::OK, now I understand. I didn't had the idea that I was talking about a different type of animation. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 22:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
== Berry Accessories ==
The prices for the Accessories you can buy in Floaroma Town are cheaper in Platinum. Should that be put in? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:If that is the case, then of course it should be put in. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 12:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Speed of the game ==

Platinum is faster than Diamond and Pearl, no doubt. But can we consider it as fast as the [[Generation III]] games or almost as fast as them, in general and specific terms? It's because I added that information to the article yet saying "almost as fast if not as fast". [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 13:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:Leave it as it is. In some ways the Gen. III games are faster, while in some ways Platinum is faster. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still how do we consider if we put D/P in the subject? I understand you're point and it's right but talking about general speed, should we put this way: Gen III = Platinum > D/P or Gen III ≈ Platinum > D/P? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Nah. Saying that the gameplay is slightly faster is good enough. I'm going to reword it a little though. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Fossils in the Underground ==

How is it determined whether you get Skull or Armor Fossils in the Underground? I read in one place that it depends on your Trainer ID, but I'm not sure. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:For D/P, they're exclusive. Pearl has Armor Fossils and Diamond has Skull Fossils. For Platinum, it doesn't matter. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::It does depend on your Trainer ID number. Odd gets the Diamond distribution, even gets the Pearl one. How lucky for me, I ended up with the Diamond one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:03, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Nevermind then. I haven't bothered to try getting any fossils, so I didn't know. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Missing Pokémon ==

According to the missing Pokémon section of the article, the only ones missing are the Clamperl, Misdreavus, Murkrow, Trapinch, Glameow and Stunky evolution lines. I can't imagine this being true, since I doubt that any of the starters (obviously bar the Gen IV ones) or the Generation II or III Legendaries are available. Is the list incomplete, or are they in fact obtainable in Pt? I haven't played it yet (stupid Europe release date...) so could someone clear this up for me? [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 14:04, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:Those Pokémon have an in-game location in the two previous versions, but are no longer available in Platinum. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 14:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 15:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image cache? ==

Just as we did on the article on Giratina (where for each of its forms the picture changes), can we have this article have different pictures of the boxart in different languages? [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 09:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Huh, guys? ==

"''Platinum's PRNG, or pseudorandom number generator, used for determining a Pokémon's personality value, is "broken", leading to the easier breeding of shiny eggs and negligence to reset in-game events such as what Trainers appear in the Battleground. This also happens with Pokémon Emerald. ''"
Just wondering, but does this mean it's more likely for normal Pokémon too produce a shiny egg, or that if two shiny Pokémon breed (or one) it'll be more likely for them to have a shiny egg? [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 19:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== Would it mean anything if I take this off. ==

at the beginning of the article, it says it "currently awaits for other regions" or something like that. can I take that off. Do you think they will release it in any other region of the world?--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

:We're gonna keep it up until they get announced in another region, or they announce that they won't translate it any more, although that won't be likely. We've done that for the past few games. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== It appears that the SHAYMIN has fled... ==

Hey, when I on the GTS, I came across a message. It was the text box for speaking in the game, and it said what the title above said. It happened when I was on the GTS selection menu (the Deposet a Pokémon, search for a Pokémon, and leave menu). I asking if this has happened to anyone, and if they know how this happened. --[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 1:09:37 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== I need a second opinion about this. ==

I was looking, this is a minor detail but the English Pokémon logo on Platinum is actually brighter then on DP.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 22:22, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:Never mind that's not good for trivia so scratch that.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]]''' 03:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== You guys over exaggerated how Team Galactic act in this game ==

So I noticed that in this section, you guys wrote this: "Team Galactic's plans for world domination and the layouts of their HQs, such as the one in Eterna, have been changed. '''In addition, they openly recognize their goal and are more openly villainous.'''" Um, what? Seriously, wtf? Are you guys trying to make Platinum's plot sound more "mature" and "cool"? They don't recognize their "goal" anymore than they do in Diamond/Pearl. And "openly villainous"? '''Seriously'''? Just because you blow up the Great Marsh doesn't mean you're openly villainous O_o... Sounds to me like whoever wrote that is trying to make the game seem more "mature" and "hip". Because the plot isn't ''that'' different from Diamond & Pearl. --Chaos Rush 00:36:14 (UTC)

EDIT: Bah, who cares. Why am I even writing this? I'm just going to edit the article so it's not misleading. --Chaos Rush 05:40:20 (UTC)
:Fantastic. That's the way wikis are meant to work. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== 1,000 revisions! ==

As of the moment, this page has 1,000 revisions, only being surpassed by [[Ash Ketchum]].--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 17:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:I hate to be a dick, but I just made it 1001. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::LOL.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 12:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

== Rival's harder ==
Is it just me, or does your rival occur a LOT more than usual? And he seems harder to beat now...
--[[User:Pichachu-San|idinkuspelld"Pikachu"wrong...]] 02:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Platinum Version

2009-11-19T02:15:04Z

Pichachu-San: /* Rival's harder */

==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from November 30, 2007–September 18, 2008)

== And... The reviews are pouring in. ==

Somebody should add them to the article. I would but my computer is acting all screwy right now. All I know is Famitsu gave it a 36, the reveiwers all gave it 9's. [[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 19:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Well... ==

There's still a link to [[Torn World]] in here somewhere instead of [[Ruined World]], but I can't find it. It's important that we call it what it's been dubbed as by Nintendo, and that's the [[Ruined World]], not the mistranslated [[Torn World]]. So, if anyone happens to see that, would you mind changing it? Thanks. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:"Torn" isn't a mistranslation. Nintendo just went with something different. (Just...clearing that up...) Anyway, I don't see any links to "Torn World" after using Ctrl+F.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::ya, cause I fixed it--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 15:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

==Spring 2009 Rumor==

People, that magazine scan is from Beckett Magazine. The issue that is posted in is from last November, and it is the first thing listed in this page's archive.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Beckett? Then there's ''no way'' it's going on the page.
:Got that, everyone?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::And the English translations normally take about 6-8 months to come out anyways. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree with the rumor, but we still need reliable sources on release dates.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::As do I, since Pt came out in Japan two weeks before DP's second anniversary, the same thing would likely happen with the English. But yes, the Beckett rumor has been around since before JAPAN had a concrete date. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

==Resort Area Villas==
Can anyone post a pic of that? {{unsigned|Drybones}}
:A gallery isn't necesary anymore. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

A picture would be nice.
[[User:Drybones|Drybones]] 09:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Drybones: A member of Team Rootbeer.
:There are a lot more things that deserve an image on this article than the villa. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 10:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== The 'Un-DeFog-able Mist' in Eterna Forest... ==

Seems more like shadows being cast by Forest Canopy than the mist, with shafts of light breaking through and leaving those patches... Using the picture of Gardenia outside the Old Chateau in the [[Eterna Forest]] article as a reference, there's even an edging to it where it thins and lets a little more light through.

[[Image:Old chateau out.PNG]]

Or am I just being crazy? --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 17:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
:I didn't understand... but seems like you think that it is fog? It's obvious that it's nothing but the shadows of the clouds, or the suppossed overgrown trees that cover the sky. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::That's what Jaffa is trying to tell people. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 05:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I should have made myself more clear... It's listed in the 'Map Changes' section as a 'Mist' that can't be DeFog-ed and it's been bugging me for a while. I didn't want to jump right in and edit it without opening up a discussion first, just in case someone takes offense or disagrees... --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 10:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::::It needs to be changed. It's misleading. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:That screen-shot is way too dark. Seriously, that shadow is nowhere as powerful on a real {{tt|DS|DS Lite with lowest back-light setting}}. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 20:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't look like fog. Fog is more of a white. If it's not shadow cast by the trees, it would be smog. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:I thought I said above it was a shadow..? [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 10:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey...wait just a minute here. I think I see a HUGE mistake. These shadows are supposed to be coming from the froest canopy but, where are the trunks of these giant, overhead trees? All I can see here are the smaller trees lining the path. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 16:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Doesn't really matter. We'll find out when the game is realeased in English. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Don't you have imagination? These games are RPGs!!! Houses are bigger inside than outside, don't you note it? It's because you need more imagination. Don't you remember the Ilex Forest? Those trees were even smaller than Eterna's ones, but there was a sign right after the shrine that said "Ilex Forest is dark because the trees cover the sky". It seems like they wanted to do something like that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course I notice that houses are bigger on the inside. I just figure that the character (and other characters) is smaller when outside than what the sprite suggests and its inside size is the 'true' size. Well, the game makers have been making mistakes for ages; shadows with no trees to cast them. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Release Date ==

I added the Japanese release date to the first paragraph; if you have any problems with it, do what you wish. [[User:Mwakin21|Mwakin21]] 20:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== My Pokémon Ranch Patch ==

I read this on Serebii that they got info on the patch for my Pokémon ranch for japan. Its unknown if other patches will come out in different languages. It's free to upgrade notice UPGRADE which means you have to already have it. [[User:Luckario|Luckario]] 21:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's not released as a patch as such. I believe it will just be re-download, like other updated titles. Anyone who hasn't brought it after it gets updated, will just download the updated version. That's how I understand it anyway, and yes - I have a Wii and have updated software on it. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Crud.... ==

Can somebody please go through the whole Platinum article to search for spelling and grammar mistakes? I had done that yesterday, even making the same changes to the trivia entry that Hfc2x just edited, but I forgot to save, leading to the changes being lost. I don't have time in the next few days to go through again, so to whoever does, thanks! [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tense Error? ==

I went through a few bits of the article, and I saw many "will be" and other such future tense verbs. Now that the game is out, shouldn't the verbs be in the present tense? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:They should, but im not going to do such a boring job if you wanna go thrugh them all you can --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Yes they should be. Thanks for looking while I was gone. And thank you to UltimateSephiroth for actually changing it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Im so glad you found something to do on a Sunday. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:::You're welcome, though I reckon editing only a few mistakes :P UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 18:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::At least it's something. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== Comestic "Error" Trivia ==
About that, I would like to point out that this is the Torn World.... rules need not apply. I would not be surprised if this was on purpose. Keep in mind that the Platinum Orb is the most unique item in Pokémon History... it disappears in link battles with other versions. The Orb may be seperately programmed due to this. {{Unsigned|Paperfairy}}
:Please remember to sign next time. And for the Orb, this is in the Gen IV series. They wouldn't put things like that in. And I wouldn't go as far as saying that the PO is the most unique item. There is a set place to find it, while other items, like the Light Ball or Lucky Egg, are a very low find rate, and even then, it's totally random. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

::Actually, I don't think this is an error, when I got Giratina in the Turnback Cave in Diamond, after I got back to its room, I found a Rare Bone, and when I picked it up the same thing happened, the "[PLAYER] received a Rare Bone" appears before the item disappeared. Maybe this isn't a "Cosmetic Error", it seems like its somehow linked to Giratina. [[User:Heaven Arceus|Heaven Arceus]] 01:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Mom? ==

Let's discuss this, then. I believe "Mom" is refered to as Johanna in the contest hall by Keira (and during contests). Does this seem like enough reason to call her Johanna? --[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

:That did come to mind, but it is more practical to just say "the player's mother". [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I guess you're right.'''--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, the only reason {{u|Urutapu}} is being like this is because the original edit was made by me. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Uh, Admins (usually) aren't that shallow. All the other games didn't name the player's mom, but Diamond and Pearl, and I assume Platinum, did. However, would anyone ever call their own mother by their name? No, they would call her "Mom". Therefore, Bulbapedia should probably do the same. I have mixed views about this, so I think an Admin should settle this.--[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 20:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

<big>SUCK UP</big> just cos someone is an admin doesnt mean they are right, it just means in the past they have added loads of stuff to Bulba.--[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Please stop arguing over things like this, Guardian. You've gotten into word fights with people before, and nobody likes to have to see that. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::And your being a troll over it. YAY!--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
You know, Guardian, you would be tolerated far more if you didn't go around acting like a tool. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

Just quit it guys. This isn't helping anything. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Thanks for the great Example.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::Yes, it is rather amusing to see people attempt to make an attempt on my use of the English language, while at the same time screwing it up themselves.
:::FYI Guardian, O person who thinks they know everything, the word "tool" has more than one meaning.
:::End of the discussion. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 02:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

== Yay ==

Please don't touch the links for mom or Johanna in this article any more. They have been fixed by Kkllnn, and to avoid fights, don't change them again.
::And I realize that this sounds like I'm trying to be an admin, but I don't want to have things constantly changing in the articles. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought these pages were to help add on to the article! Please, i'm not from Bukbapedia, but i LOVE Pokemon,so if you will please suck it up! we are all people here! Does it matter if some of us are admins?? (although i have no clue what that is)! [[User: Kasumi12]] 19:02 19 November 2008 (utc)
:The pages ARE for helping, but people were fighting over how to do the links. And I was saying I'm not an admin (administrator), but my request made me sound like I was pretending to be one. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
::???? How did ''I'' fix them? All I did was put a simpler link...--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| カメックス]] 21:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:::People stopped changing it didn't they? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

==Wikipedia release date==
over there they say that the Europe release date is Summer 2009, can someone check its source? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 12:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:The source does not say ANYTHING about the release date, not even for Japan. And you have to remember, Wikipedia isn't the best source, as anybody can go in and edit things. The Euro release date is a speculation, as is the U.S. release. We can only assume it will be released in the next year or so. The only thing said about releases in the source article is this: "If this feature makes it to the European release - and we've no reason to believe it won't - then we'll be very happy Bunearys indeed." And the quote is referencing the Wi-fi upgrades only. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Game before anime ==

the recent jap episode is clearly based on PT, you know the one with Rotom, so the game has to be released before that episode airs to follow the rule of game before anime. So if some geeks could work out when this Rotom episode should air in USA, then look around 3 months prior to that date, that would likely be the release date

::Evidence:
*In japan PT was released on Sep 13, 3 months later = dec 13, now admitedly the episode aired a little bit different than that date, but its still close. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

:Math time. The most recent episode came out about 5 months after it came out in Japan. So, based on your logic, Platinum would come out in February, right? I think that's a little too early.—[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 21:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

No, not my logic at all. How can i explain this better.

*this episode (Rotom one) is directly linked to platinum, as it is about a platinum only event.
*General rule is that the game comes out before the anime
*So if you can work out when this particular episdoe (Rotom one) will air in USA, then you know that Platinum has to come out before that.

So if there is a geek who is willing to work out when each episode will air, find out when the Rotom one airs in USA and then we know that Platinum will come out say 3 months before that. As Platinum needs to be released before an episode in the anime relating to Platinum can be released. If the general rule isnt to be broken. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Who says they can't stop airing new episodes until Platinum is released? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

good point, they could put the show on hiatus, although this has only happened once due to PGZ --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

If I can remember right, the dubs come out anywhere from 1-3 months after the episode shows. This'll give us untill January-March to get Platinum if you're theory is correct, Guardian. Unfortunately for us, I doubt we'll get it by then... but who knows? The Pokémon translators have pulled through at times we wouldn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:If you get Pt within three months, you Americans are very lucky. My brother just bought a DS Lite and Pokémon Diamond, and it bugs me because I decided to wait until Platinum which supposedly lands in Europe as late as next summer... Let's hope the translators have switched the turbo switch on :P '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:Why don't you just order one when they come out here then? I know it would be a bit more expensive, but you would get it at least a month, if not more, earlier. Unless you don't care THAT much. I would be spazzing out if I lived where you do, from lack of Pokémon when I needed it. :) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I give it April, still. It comes out the same amount of time after JpPt as USDP did after JpDP... April 7. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::True. All we can do right now is guess and hope it comes out before we die. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

i dunno about you, but im not planning on dying next year --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:People seldom plan their death except in cases of suicide. And this is totally offtopic, so it should be stopped right here. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::The anime is moving fast, so I don't know about this. Unless the developers hurry up and get the game to us, season 12 will begin without it. Already, Shaymin is being revealed, but Arceus won't be until the game is released. [[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 22:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Hehe... you guys took me too literally. I didn't really mean die. I meant we should hope it comes out in English and that the Japanses aren't selfish this time. BUT it already has an English release date, so we don't have to worry any more. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== Possible release source ==

I dunno what you guys will think about this, but someone added to the WP article. [http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Pokemon-Platinum-Nintendo-DS-045496740177/sem/rpsm/oid/232753/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do] No idea how legit it is. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because retailers make up dates. However, I doubt things like the game's features (Wi-Fi Plaza, Distortion World) came from anywhere but Nintendo. Still, I'd wait for a press release directly from Nintendo.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, Mr Boss-Guy Echidna seems to think its accurate enough. Teh page iz protected :( Now trom can't edit — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Damn right it's protected. Plus, Circuit City did seem to get the info straight from Ninty. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Why are you guys doubting Circuit City? If the game's good enough for them to sell it, then why would they lie? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:From like, half an inch above: "It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because '''retailers make up dates'''." It doesn't seem to be the case ''here'', but it ''is'' the usual case.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I realized that after I re-read everything on here. I tend to miss things like that when I'm tired. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Um.... problem. ==

Why are we still saying the release date is good, yet the link doesn't work any more? And yeah, I realize that this contradicts what I said above this. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:Now that's odd, they pulled the whole game from the site :S I certainly don't know whether to believe that date or not. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Stupid Nintendo... I think that Circuit City did that accidentally then. (Why are we on at the same time every day?) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds like someone is guilty of putting up something they shouldn't have... [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 03:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I checked Nintendo.com and it does not mention any release date for Pokemon Platinum in the US. So I don't think the date mentioned is accurate. [[User:drichard08|drichard08]] 14:48, 10 December 2008
:Read the bulbanews article. it was shortly taken down[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==now I'm confused==

ok everyone is saying platinum isn't {{tt|officially|can't remember how to spell it}} revealed, but I have this weeks and last weeks {{tt|oficial|still can't remember}} nintendo magazine and they have mentioned it in both [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 23:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone knows its revealed, we're just not taking any of the info the say other than the release date seriously as there are 3 different translations of the [[Torn World]] floating around. Offical [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Still wrong: official [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 11:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Spell check is your friend. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 19:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:Ah the benefits of firefox. not that i use spell check though[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::The fact that Circuit City moved so fast to remove it lends credence to the release. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree, going back on what I said before, that it was most likely a mistake that it was revealed. Either by an overenthusiastic employee, or Nintendo decided too late to not reveal the dates yet. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

==The Cruel Irony==

Beckett was right. It was right about not only Ranger 2 coming out in Fall, but they knew that Platinum would come out in Spring 2009. And to think an unofficial fan magazine knew about it before it was even revealed in Japan... [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

:General consensus was that it would be out Spring 2009. It wasn't just reported by them, it was reported by practically everyone. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 23:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, but this was before anyone even knew about it in Japan. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary encounters ==

If you read Pokemon.com's first english-texted picture of Pokémon Platinum,you will realize the text: "The Distortion World's Giratina appeared!"
Instead of the usual "wild so and so appeared!"!
I think that this will apply to all legendaries.
In my opinion it's a cool thing underlining the uniqueness of Giratina(and maybe other legendaries)
[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/f/f8/Ani407MS.gif]] 13:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... interesting. That's a new twist I didn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do you plan on putting this in the article? If not..this doesn't need to be here. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, we COULD put it in either the Aesthetic or Gameplay Changes, trivia, or just leave it out for now. It just depends on if we agree it's important or not important enough. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It'd be more {{tt|notable|important}} if it could be confirmed for ''all'' legends. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I've been trying to find out if it's for only the Giratina and Shaymin formes, or for all legendaries. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== First English Screenshot ==
[[Image:English_screenshot.PNG|thumb|First screenshot]]
We have confirmation of Pokémon Platinum on Pokemon.com but we also have the first screenshot of the game. It is the battle scene of Giratina in the Distortion World. Unfortunately, I can't load upload the picture on the Bulbagarden Archives because it keeps coming up with an error. This is so exciting its closer than we think. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia Section Error ==

"Platinum is the first game to be named after a metal since Pokémon Gold and Silver. However, both Gold and Silver are also considered colors, making Platinum the first game named solely after a metal."

I beg to differ. Platinum is considered as much of a color as both gold and silver. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 04:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:Technically it isn't its own color. It's a silver, or a gray. It's like saying forest green and grass green are two totally different colors. They're both shades of green. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::Gold is a shade of yellow and silver is a shade of gray then. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 17:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Basically. But they were discovered as metals first, and then gold and silver eventually became colors. If you ask somebody on the streets what the color platinum looks like, a lot wouldn't know. If you ask what color IS platinum, they would know. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::::"Platinum" is still considered a color in the same sense that gold and silver are. To say that it isn't considered a color at all is both misleading and false. I've also read and heard descriptions of certain objects as being "platinum-colored", so it isn't completely unused. Regardless, this needs to be changed. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 23:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree, and I never said it wan't a color. If I did, I meant to get to the point that a lot of people don't consider it a color. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:To be specific, Platinum looks like a lighter shade of silver. Basically, officially, it's a color.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 16:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
So why hasn't this been edited yet? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 20:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

==Altered Forme==

I request that all "Another Formes" on this page be replaced with "Altered Forme," as that is the official English name. Thank you. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 19:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

:There ''are'' no instances of Another Forme on this page. Just checked. '''Edit:''' Ah. My mistake, they were previously changed. ''Merry Christmas from'' [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 20:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Europe Release 22 May 2009==

On the website Pokemon-France.com there is a possible Europe release date, 22 May 2009. This is not yet confirmed by Nintendo, but is likely to be the Europe release for Pokémon Platinum. [[User:Bisasam|Bisasam]] 10:02, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Is it an official website?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:: I think it's not an official Nintendo website, but Filb.de said, the source was reliable and believable. [[User:Bisasam|Bisasam]] 17:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmmm... It seems likely that it is. But we shouldn't jump to conclusions yet. Wait until we have a bit more information on it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::HMV says it's in July [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::well turns out it is confirmed released in Europe 22 of May [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 15:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== Development section ==

Sure we add a "Development" section devoted to the the stages of development and pre-release information, not just to this game page but to all the games?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:The beta pages are there for a reason. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 12:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Hmmmm... That is true. But, unfortunately it was removed from the page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Platinum_beta&diff=prev&oldid=583965 some time ago]. It kinda started a bit of an edit war on the page.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Unprotect ==

Can we unprotect the page so people can edit the article, there is still a lot of stuff to be added, stuff that has been confirmed. But I can't add it cause it's blocked. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 18:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, I agree. And someone needs to at the European release date, May 22, 2009.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 20:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, by now it should really be unprotected, I mean there's still a bit of info that needs to be added, yes, like the European release date. What admin can we get? I guess I'll put it in the page summary and if any admin sees this in recent changes, they'll hopefully check it out...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 05:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, I'll BUMP it. Now its times like these I wish I was an admin.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

There's a sigh... *SIGH*. When can we get it unprotected? Wait... if the admins think it should be protected until it comes out, we'll just have to live with that... I mean its just couple of edits and we're all mature people here, maybe an admin might put those edits on the page.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 11:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe your right. Its just one date. They will come round with themselves soon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's not just a date, what about renaming Wi-Fi Square and Battle Recorder to their official English names (Wi-Fi Plaza and Vs. Recorder, respectively)? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::We're the main editing force, yet our right to edit is unfairly limited because of admins' fondness of protecting. And it's not always easy to find an admin online (especially if someone lives in Europe, just like me). There is NO REAL REASON to hold this page protected. I'm all for UNPROTECTING IT? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree. The article refers to [[Wi-Fi Plaza]] as Wi-Fi Square!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 18:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just calm down. They most likely have a good reason for keeping it protected. And if they don't, then it still isn't something to get angry about. Just wait. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::STFU! It IS something to be angry about! THERE IS NO FREAKIN' REASON TO KEEP THE PAGE PROTECTED ANYMORE! The admins just piss at us, so they don't unprotect the pages. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::So, what time is it over in Europe. Its about 10:00pm here in Australia. We need an admin who lives in one of this countries to be on at this time because I have noticed the lack of admins on at this hour.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::That means it's late and you're still not on bed. D: 7:00pm in our country. Since no admin around at this time, we should wait until someone wakes up to respond for this problem. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::It's currently 12 AM in my part of Europe. Yes, there's lack of admins here at this time and that's what annoys me. It's freakin' hard for me to catch an admin online, which stops me from editing really many pages. Another reason against that protect-mania among admins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
They should space out the admins. There's like a clump before and there isn't any now. lol. I should go to bed shouldn't I. Its a school night too.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::First, take it to the forums. Second, I doubt you guys could become an admin any time soon. And if you did, you'd have to change your attitudes. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 02:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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The reason why it's staying protected until 3/22 is because people decide to jump the gun. We don't need that happening, we don't wanna waste edits to fix something that someone assumed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

People! I agree with TTE! Take this immature "discussion" to the forums! Plus, you shouldn't talk rudely about the admins. Its their choice and I will act maturely and respect that choice. When the time for unprotection will come, I know for one that it will be the right time, plus its the time it comes out in America. I trust the admins and I look up to them. So, everyone start acting mature.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 10:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, so Maturity = Lickspittling! GTFO. I hate lickspittles. I still think that keeping the page protecting is just stupid. People jumping the gun? Come on, those are just n00bs. Experienced users know Bulbapedia's policies and rules and they know NOT TO jump the gun. Really, protecting pages for such reason is like... keeping a shop closed just because a thief may rob it while it's open. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Very well said, I'll keep this in mind ^^ hehe. though, one question, what is ''Lickspittling''? I can't find a translation/explanation... [Greets, [[User:MewX|mewX]] ([[User talk:MewX|TALK]])] 15:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

YOU, yeah YOU just don't get it...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::Stop. Like I said, it's no big deal, you got your reason, now leave it alone. They protect it from ''everybody'' so the new users don't feel like everybody's hating them. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

== Email functions ==

On the Pokémon Platinum website, it doesn't have the email function appearently, just Wii message support. --[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 11:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:I saw that in my game, too. Is there maybe a way to get past this?--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 19:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprites ==

The article mistakenly informs that Platinum is the first game to have the Pokémon back sprites animated. It's untrue since that happens in every game since Emerald. Since the page is protected, a mod should correct it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:They're not the same kind of animation. In The other games, they just move back and forth or get bigger or something like that. In Platinum. They actually move. Such as Pikachu for example will move it's head to look behind it. Or Azumarril will do a little dance. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
'''True and False, I heard that Pokémon back sprites do what they do on the front. i don't know but i will find out.''' ''Anoritian''
::What Sketch has is correct. They have different BACK animation than before, not specifically different animation from when facing the player. There may be some similarities in both front and back animation, but it doesn't really matter to add that. "Their back sprites now animate much like their front sprites" is perfectly fine. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::OK, now I understand. I didn't had the idea that I was talking about a different type of animation. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 22:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
== Berry Accessories ==
The prices for the Accessories you can buy in Floaroma Town are cheaper in Platinum. Should that be put in? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:If that is the case, then of course it should be put in. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 12:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Speed of the game ==

Platinum is faster than Diamond and Pearl, no doubt. But can we consider it as fast as the [[Generation III]] games or almost as fast as them, in general and specific terms? It's because I added that information to the article yet saying "almost as fast if not as fast". [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 13:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:Leave it as it is. In some ways the Gen. III games are faster, while in some ways Platinum is faster. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still how do we consider if we put D/P in the subject? I understand you're point and it's right but talking about general speed, should we put this way: Gen III = Platinum > D/P or Gen III ≈ Platinum > D/P? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Nah. Saying that the gameplay is slightly faster is good enough. I'm going to reword it a little though. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Fossils in the Underground ==

How is it determined whether you get Skull or Armor Fossils in the Underground? I read in one place that it depends on your Trainer ID, but I'm not sure. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:For D/P, they're exclusive. Pearl has Armor Fossils and Diamond has Skull Fossils. For Platinum, it doesn't matter. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::It does depend on your Trainer ID number. Odd gets the Diamond distribution, even gets the Pearl one. How lucky for me, I ended up with the Diamond one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:03, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Nevermind then. I haven't bothered to try getting any fossils, so I didn't know. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Missing Pokémon ==

According to the missing Pokémon section of the article, the only ones missing are the Clamperl, Misdreavus, Murkrow, Trapinch, Glameow and Stunky evolution lines. I can't imagine this being true, since I doubt that any of the starters (obviously bar the Gen IV ones) or the Generation II or III Legendaries are available. Is the list incomplete, or are they in fact obtainable in Pt? I haven't played it yet (stupid Europe release date...) so could someone clear this up for me? [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 14:04, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:Those Pokémon have an in-game location in the two previous versions, but are no longer available in Platinum. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 14:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 15:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image cache? ==

Just as we did on the article on Giratina (where for each of its forms the picture changes), can we have this article have different pictures of the boxart in different languages? [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 09:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Huh, guys? ==

"''Platinum's PRNG, or pseudorandom number generator, used for determining a Pokémon's personality value, is "broken", leading to the easier breeding of shiny eggs and negligence to reset in-game events such as what Trainers appear in the Battleground. This also happens with Pokémon Emerald. ''"
Just wondering, but does this mean it's more likely for normal Pokémon too produce a shiny egg, or that if two shiny Pokémon breed (or one) it'll be more likely for them to have a shiny egg? [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 19:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== Would it mean anything if I take this off. ==

at the beginning of the article, it says it "currently awaits for other regions" or something like that. can I take that off. Do you think they will release it in any other region of the world?--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

:We're gonna keep it up until they get announced in another region, or they announce that they won't translate it any more, although that won't be likely. We've done that for the past few games. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== It appears that the SHAYMIN has fled... ==

Hey, when I on the GTS, I came across a message. It was the text box for speaking in the game, and it said what the title above said. It happened when I was on the GTS selection menu (the Deposet a Pokémon, search for a Pokémon, and leave menu). I asking if this has happened to anyone, and if they know how this happened. --[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 1:09:37 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== I need a second opinion about this. ==

I was looking, this is a minor detail but the English Pokémon logo on Platinum is actually brighter then on DP.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 22:22, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:Never mind that's not good for trivia so scratch that.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]]''' 03:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== You guys over exaggerated how Team Galactic act in this game ==

So I noticed that in this section, you guys wrote this: "Team Galactic's plans for world domination and the layouts of their HQs, such as the one in Eterna, have been changed. '''In addition, they openly recognize their goal and are more openly villainous.'''" Um, what? Seriously, wtf? Are you guys trying to make Platinum's plot sound more "mature" and "cool"? They don't recognize their "goal" anymore than they do in Diamond/Pearl. And "openly villainous"? '''Seriously'''? Just because you blow up the Great Marsh doesn't mean you're openly villainous O_o... Sounds to me like whoever wrote that is trying to make the game seem more "mature" and "hip". Because the plot isn't ''that'' different from Diamond & Pearl. --Chaos Rush 00:36:14 (UTC)

EDIT: Bah, who cares. Why am I even writing this? I'm just going to edit the article so it's not misleading. --Chaos Rush 05:40:20 (UTC)
:Fantastic. That's the way wikis are meant to work. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== 1,000 revisions! ==

As of the moment, this page has 1,000 revisions, only being surpassed by [[Ash Ketchum]].--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 17:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:I hate to be a dick, but I just made it 1001. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::LOL.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 12:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

== Rival's harder ==
Is it just me, or does rival reoccur a LOT more than usual? And he seems harder to beat now...
--[[User:Pichachu-San|idinkuspelld"Pikachu"wrong...]] 02:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Platinum Version

2009-11-19T02:14:35Z

Pichachu-San:

==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from November 30, 2007–September 18, 2008)

== And... The reviews are pouring in. ==

Somebody should add them to the article. I would but my computer is acting all screwy right now. All I know is Famitsu gave it a 36, the reveiwers all gave it 9's. [[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 19:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Well... ==

There's still a link to [[Torn World]] in here somewhere instead of [[Ruined World]], but I can't find it. It's important that we call it what it's been dubbed as by Nintendo, and that's the [[Ruined World]], not the mistranslated [[Torn World]]. So, if anyone happens to see that, would you mind changing it? Thanks. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:"Torn" isn't a mistranslation. Nintendo just went with something different. (Just...clearing that up...) Anyway, I don't see any links to "Torn World" after using Ctrl+F.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::ya, cause I fixed it--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 15:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

==Spring 2009 Rumor==

People, that magazine scan is from Beckett Magazine. The issue that is posted in is from last November, and it is the first thing listed in this page's archive.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Beckett? Then there's ''no way'' it's going on the page.
:Got that, everyone?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::And the English translations normally take about 6-8 months to come out anyways. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree with the rumor, but we still need reliable sources on release dates.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::As do I, since Pt came out in Japan two weeks before DP's second anniversary, the same thing would likely happen with the English. But yes, the Beckett rumor has been around since before JAPAN had a concrete date. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

==Resort Area Villas==
Can anyone post a pic of that? {{unsigned|Drybones}}
:A gallery isn't necesary anymore. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

A picture would be nice.
[[User:Drybones|Drybones]] 09:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Drybones: A member of Team Rootbeer.
:There are a lot more things that deserve an image on this article than the villa. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 10:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== The 'Un-DeFog-able Mist' in Eterna Forest... ==

Seems more like shadows being cast by Forest Canopy than the mist, with shafts of light breaking through and leaving those patches... Using the picture of Gardenia outside the Old Chateau in the [[Eterna Forest]] article as a reference, there's even an edging to it where it thins and lets a little more light through.

[[Image:Old chateau out.PNG]]

Or am I just being crazy? --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 17:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
:I didn't understand... but seems like you think that it is fog? It's obvious that it's nothing but the shadows of the clouds, or the suppossed overgrown trees that cover the sky. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::That's what Jaffa is trying to tell people. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 05:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I should have made myself more clear... It's listed in the 'Map Changes' section as a 'Mist' that can't be DeFog-ed and it's been bugging me for a while. I didn't want to jump right in and edit it without opening up a discussion first, just in case someone takes offense or disagrees... --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 10:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::::It needs to be changed. It's misleading. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:That screen-shot is way too dark. Seriously, that shadow is nowhere as powerful on a real {{tt|DS|DS Lite with lowest back-light setting}}. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 20:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't look like fog. Fog is more of a white. If it's not shadow cast by the trees, it would be smog. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:I thought I said above it was a shadow..? [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 10:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey...wait just a minute here. I think I see a HUGE mistake. These shadows are supposed to be coming from the froest canopy but, where are the trunks of these giant, overhead trees? All I can see here are the smaller trees lining the path. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 16:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Doesn't really matter. We'll find out when the game is realeased in English. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Don't you have imagination? These games are RPGs!!! Houses are bigger inside than outside, don't you note it? It's because you need more imagination. Don't you remember the Ilex Forest? Those trees were even smaller than Eterna's ones, but there was a sign right after the shrine that said "Ilex Forest is dark because the trees cover the sky". It seems like they wanted to do something like that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course I notice that houses are bigger on the inside. I just figure that the character (and other characters) is smaller when outside than what the sprite suggests and its inside size is the 'true' size. Well, the game makers have been making mistakes for ages; shadows with no trees to cast them. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Release Date ==

I added the Japanese release date to the first paragraph; if you have any problems with it, do what you wish. [[User:Mwakin21|Mwakin21]] 20:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== My Pokémon Ranch Patch ==

I read this on Serebii that they got info on the patch for my Pokémon ranch for japan. Its unknown if other patches will come out in different languages. It's free to upgrade notice UPGRADE which means you have to already have it. [[User:Luckario|Luckario]] 21:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's not released as a patch as such. I believe it will just be re-download, like other updated titles. Anyone who hasn't brought it after it gets updated, will just download the updated version. That's how I understand it anyway, and yes - I have a Wii and have updated software on it. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Crud.... ==

Can somebody please go through the whole Platinum article to search for spelling and grammar mistakes? I had done that yesterday, even making the same changes to the trivia entry that Hfc2x just edited, but I forgot to save, leading to the changes being lost. I don't have time in the next few days to go through again, so to whoever does, thanks! [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tense Error? ==

I went through a few bits of the article, and I saw many "will be" and other such future tense verbs. Now that the game is out, shouldn't the verbs be in the present tense? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:They should, but im not going to do such a boring job if you wanna go thrugh them all you can --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Yes they should be. Thanks for looking while I was gone. And thank you to UltimateSephiroth for actually changing it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Im so glad you found something to do on a Sunday. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:::You're welcome, though I reckon editing only a few mistakes :P UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 18:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::At least it's something. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== Comestic "Error" Trivia ==
About that, I would like to point out that this is the Torn World.... rules need not apply. I would not be surprised if this was on purpose. Keep in mind that the Platinum Orb is the most unique item in Pokémon History... it disappears in link battles with other versions. The Orb may be seperately programmed due to this. {{Unsigned|Paperfairy}}
:Please remember to sign next time. And for the Orb, this is in the Gen IV series. They wouldn't put things like that in. And I wouldn't go as far as saying that the PO is the most unique item. There is a set place to find it, while other items, like the Light Ball or Lucky Egg, are a very low find rate, and even then, it's totally random. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

::Actually, I don't think this is an error, when I got Giratina in the Turnback Cave in Diamond, after I got back to its room, I found a Rare Bone, and when I picked it up the same thing happened, the "[PLAYER] received a Rare Bone" appears before the item disappeared. Maybe this isn't a "Cosmetic Error", it seems like its somehow linked to Giratina. [[User:Heaven Arceus|Heaven Arceus]] 01:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Mom? ==

Let's discuss this, then. I believe "Mom" is refered to as Johanna in the contest hall by Keira (and during contests). Does this seem like enough reason to call her Johanna? --[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

:That did come to mind, but it is more practical to just say "the player's mother". [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I guess you're right.'''--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, the only reason {{u|Urutapu}} is being like this is because the original edit was made by me. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Uh, Admins (usually) aren't that shallow. All the other games didn't name the player's mom, but Diamond and Pearl, and I assume Platinum, did. However, would anyone ever call their own mother by their name? No, they would call her "Mom". Therefore, Bulbapedia should probably do the same. I have mixed views about this, so I think an Admin should settle this.--[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 20:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

<big>SUCK UP</big> just cos someone is an admin doesnt mean they are right, it just means in the past they have added loads of stuff to Bulba.--[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Please stop arguing over things like this, Guardian. You've gotten into word fights with people before, and nobody likes to have to see that. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::And your being a troll over it. YAY!--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
You know, Guardian, you would be tolerated far more if you didn't go around acting like a tool. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

Just quit it guys. This isn't helping anything. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Thanks for the great Example.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::Yes, it is rather amusing to see people attempt to make an attempt on my use of the English language, while at the same time screwing it up themselves.
:::FYI Guardian, O person who thinks they know everything, the word "tool" has more than one meaning.
:::End of the discussion. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 02:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

== Yay ==

Please don't touch the links for mom or Johanna in this article any more. They have been fixed by Kkllnn, and to avoid fights, don't change them again.
::And I realize that this sounds like I'm trying to be an admin, but I don't want to have things constantly changing in the articles. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought these pages were to help add on to the article! Please, i'm not from Bukbapedia, but i LOVE Pokemon,so if you will please suck it up! we are all people here! Does it matter if some of us are admins?? (although i have no clue what that is)! [[User: Kasumi12]] 19:02 19 November 2008 (utc)
:The pages ARE for helping, but people were fighting over how to do the links. And I was saying I'm not an admin (administrator), but my request made me sound like I was pretending to be one. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
::???? How did ''I'' fix them? All I did was put a simpler link...--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| カメックス]] 21:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:::People stopped changing it didn't they? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

==Wikipedia release date==
over there they say that the Europe release date is Summer 2009, can someone check its source? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 12:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:The source does not say ANYTHING about the release date, not even for Japan. And you have to remember, Wikipedia isn't the best source, as anybody can go in and edit things. The Euro release date is a speculation, as is the U.S. release. We can only assume it will be released in the next year or so. The only thing said about releases in the source article is this: "If this feature makes it to the European release - and we've no reason to believe it won't - then we'll be very happy Bunearys indeed." And the quote is referencing the Wi-fi upgrades only. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Game before anime ==

the recent jap episode is clearly based on PT, you know the one with Rotom, so the game has to be released before that episode airs to follow the rule of game before anime. So if some geeks could work out when this Rotom episode should air in USA, then look around 3 months prior to that date, that would likely be the release date

::Evidence:
*In japan PT was released on Sep 13, 3 months later = dec 13, now admitedly the episode aired a little bit different than that date, but its still close. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

:Math time. The most recent episode came out about 5 months after it came out in Japan. So, based on your logic, Platinum would come out in February, right? I think that's a little too early.—[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 21:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

No, not my logic at all. How can i explain this better.

*this episode (Rotom one) is directly linked to platinum, as it is about a platinum only event.
*General rule is that the game comes out before the anime
*So if you can work out when this particular episdoe (Rotom one) will air in USA, then you know that Platinum has to come out before that.

So if there is a geek who is willing to work out when each episode will air, find out when the Rotom one airs in USA and then we know that Platinum will come out say 3 months before that. As Platinum needs to be released before an episode in the anime relating to Platinum can be released. If the general rule isnt to be broken. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Who says they can't stop airing new episodes until Platinum is released? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

good point, they could put the show on hiatus, although this has only happened once due to PGZ --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

If I can remember right, the dubs come out anywhere from 1-3 months after the episode shows. This'll give us untill January-March to get Platinum if you're theory is correct, Guardian. Unfortunately for us, I doubt we'll get it by then... but who knows? The Pokémon translators have pulled through at times we wouldn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:If you get Pt within three months, you Americans are very lucky. My brother just bought a DS Lite and Pokémon Diamond, and it bugs me because I decided to wait until Platinum which supposedly lands in Europe as late as next summer... Let's hope the translators have switched the turbo switch on :P '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:Why don't you just order one when they come out here then? I know it would be a bit more expensive, but you would get it at least a month, if not more, earlier. Unless you don't care THAT much. I would be spazzing out if I lived where you do, from lack of Pokémon when I needed it. :) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I give it April, still. It comes out the same amount of time after JpPt as USDP did after JpDP... April 7. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::True. All we can do right now is guess and hope it comes out before we die. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

i dunno about you, but im not planning on dying next year --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:People seldom plan their death except in cases of suicide. And this is totally offtopic, so it should be stopped right here. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::The anime is moving fast, so I don't know about this. Unless the developers hurry up and get the game to us, season 12 will begin without it. Already, Shaymin is being revealed, but Arceus won't be until the game is released. [[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 22:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Hehe... you guys took me too literally. I didn't really mean die. I meant we should hope it comes out in English and that the Japanses aren't selfish this time. BUT it already has an English release date, so we don't have to worry any more. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== Possible release source ==

I dunno what you guys will think about this, but someone added to the WP article. [http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Pokemon-Platinum-Nintendo-DS-045496740177/sem/rpsm/oid/232753/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do] No idea how legit it is. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because retailers make up dates. However, I doubt things like the game's features (Wi-Fi Plaza, Distortion World) came from anywhere but Nintendo. Still, I'd wait for a press release directly from Nintendo.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, Mr Boss-Guy Echidna seems to think its accurate enough. Teh page iz protected :( Now trom can't edit — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Damn right it's protected. Plus, Circuit City did seem to get the info straight from Ninty. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Why are you guys doubting Circuit City? If the game's good enough for them to sell it, then why would they lie? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:From like, half an inch above: "It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because '''retailers make up dates'''." It doesn't seem to be the case ''here'', but it ''is'' the usual case.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I realized that after I re-read everything on here. I tend to miss things like that when I'm tired. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Um.... problem. ==

Why are we still saying the release date is good, yet the link doesn't work any more? And yeah, I realize that this contradicts what I said above this. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:Now that's odd, they pulled the whole game from the site :S I certainly don't know whether to believe that date or not. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Stupid Nintendo... I think that Circuit City did that accidentally then. (Why are we on at the same time every day?) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds like someone is guilty of putting up something they shouldn't have... [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 03:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I checked Nintendo.com and it does not mention any release date for Pokemon Platinum in the US. So I don't think the date mentioned is accurate. [[User:drichard08|drichard08]] 14:48, 10 December 2008
:Read the bulbanews article. it was shortly taken down[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==now I'm confused==

ok everyone is saying platinum isn't {{tt|officially|can't remember how to spell it}} revealed, but I have this weeks and last weeks {{tt|oficial|still can't remember}} nintendo magazine and they have mentioned it in both [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 23:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone knows its revealed, we're just not taking any of the info the say other than the release date seriously as there are 3 different translations of the [[Torn World]] floating around. Offical [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Still wrong: official [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 11:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Spell check is your friend. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 19:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:Ah the benefits of firefox. not that i use spell check though[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::The fact that Circuit City moved so fast to remove it lends credence to the release. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree, going back on what I said before, that it was most likely a mistake that it was revealed. Either by an overenthusiastic employee, or Nintendo decided too late to not reveal the dates yet. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

==The Cruel Irony==

Beckett was right. It was right about not only Ranger 2 coming out in Fall, but they knew that Platinum would come out in Spring 2009. And to think an unofficial fan magazine knew about it before it was even revealed in Japan... [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

:General consensus was that it would be out Spring 2009. It wasn't just reported by them, it was reported by practically everyone. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 23:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, but this was before anyone even knew about it in Japan. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary encounters ==

If you read Pokemon.com's first english-texted picture of Pokémon Platinum,you will realize the text: "The Distortion World's Giratina appeared!"
Instead of the usual "wild so and so appeared!"!
I think that this will apply to all legendaries.
In my opinion it's a cool thing underlining the uniqueness of Giratina(and maybe other legendaries)
[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/f/f8/Ani407MS.gif]] 13:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... interesting. That's a new twist I didn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do you plan on putting this in the article? If not..this doesn't need to be here. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, we COULD put it in either the Aesthetic or Gameplay Changes, trivia, or just leave it out for now. It just depends on if we agree it's important or not important enough. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It'd be more {{tt|notable|important}} if it could be confirmed for ''all'' legends. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I've been trying to find out if it's for only the Giratina and Shaymin formes, or for all legendaries. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== First English Screenshot ==
[[Image:English_screenshot.PNG|thumb|First screenshot]]
We have confirmation of Pokémon Platinum on Pokemon.com but we also have the first screenshot of the game. It is the battle scene of Giratina in the Distortion World. Unfortunately, I can't load upload the picture on the Bulbagarden Archives because it keeps coming up with an error. This is so exciting its closer than we think. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia Section Error ==

"Platinum is the first game to be named after a metal since Pokémon Gold and Silver. However, both Gold and Silver are also considered colors, making Platinum the first game named solely after a metal."

I beg to differ. Platinum is considered as much of a color as both gold and silver. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 04:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:Technically it isn't its own color. It's a silver, or a gray. It's like saying forest green and grass green are two totally different colors. They're both shades of green. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::Gold is a shade of yellow and silver is a shade of gray then. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 17:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Basically. But they were discovered as metals first, and then gold and silver eventually became colors. If you ask somebody on the streets what the color platinum looks like, a lot wouldn't know. If you ask what color IS platinum, they would know. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::::"Platinum" is still considered a color in the same sense that gold and silver are. To say that it isn't considered a color at all is both misleading and false. I've also read and heard descriptions of certain objects as being "platinum-colored", so it isn't completely unused. Regardless, this needs to be changed. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 23:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree, and I never said it wan't a color. If I did, I meant to get to the point that a lot of people don't consider it a color. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:To be specific, Platinum looks like a lighter shade of silver. Basically, officially, it's a color.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 16:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
So why hasn't this been edited yet? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 20:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

==Altered Forme==

I request that all "Another Formes" on this page be replaced with "Altered Forme," as that is the official English name. Thank you. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 19:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

:There ''are'' no instances of Another Forme on this page. Just checked. '''Edit:''' Ah. My mistake, they were previously changed. ''Merry Christmas from'' [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 20:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Europe Release 22 May 2009==

On the website Pokemon-France.com there is a possible Europe release date, 22 May 2009. This is not yet confirmed by Nintendo, but is likely to be the Europe release for Pokémon Platinum. [[User:Bisasam|Bisasam]] 10:02, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Is it an official website?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:: I think it's not an official Nintendo website, but Filb.de said, the source was reliable and believable. [[User:Bisasam|Bisasam]] 17:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmmm... It seems likely that it is. But we shouldn't jump to conclusions yet. Wait until we have a bit more information on it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::HMV says it's in July [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::well turns out it is confirmed released in Europe 22 of May [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 15:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== Development section ==

Sure we add a "Development" section devoted to the the stages of development and pre-release information, not just to this game page but to all the games?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:The beta pages are there for a reason. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 12:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Hmmmm... That is true. But, unfortunately it was removed from the page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Platinum_beta&diff=prev&oldid=583965 some time ago]. It kinda started a bit of an edit war on the page.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Unprotect ==

Can we unprotect the page so people can edit the article, there is still a lot of stuff to be added, stuff that has been confirmed. But I can't add it cause it's blocked. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 18:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, I agree. And someone needs to at the European release date, May 22, 2009.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 20:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, by now it should really be unprotected, I mean there's still a bit of info that needs to be added, yes, like the European release date. What admin can we get? I guess I'll put it in the page summary and if any admin sees this in recent changes, they'll hopefully check it out...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 05:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, I'll BUMP it. Now its times like these I wish I was an admin.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

There's a sigh... *SIGH*. When can we get it unprotected? Wait... if the admins think it should be protected until it comes out, we'll just have to live with that... I mean its just couple of edits and we're all mature people here, maybe an admin might put those edits on the page.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 11:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe your right. Its just one date. They will come round with themselves soon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's not just a date, what about renaming Wi-Fi Square and Battle Recorder to their official English names (Wi-Fi Plaza and Vs. Recorder, respectively)? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::We're the main editing force, yet our right to edit is unfairly limited because of admins' fondness of protecting. And it's not always easy to find an admin online (especially if someone lives in Europe, just like me). There is NO REAL REASON to hold this page protected. I'm all for UNPROTECTING IT? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree. The article refers to [[Wi-Fi Plaza]] as Wi-Fi Square!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 18:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just calm down. They most likely have a good reason for keeping it protected. And if they don't, then it still isn't something to get angry about. Just wait. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::STFU! It IS something to be angry about! THERE IS NO FREAKIN' REASON TO KEEP THE PAGE PROTECTED ANYMORE! The admins just piss at us, so they don't unprotect the pages. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::So, what time is it over in Europe. Its about 10:00pm here in Australia. We need an admin who lives in one of this countries to be on at this time because I have noticed the lack of admins on at this hour.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::That means it's late and you're still not on bed. D: 7:00pm in our country. Since no admin around at this time, we should wait until someone wakes up to respond for this problem. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::It's currently 12 AM in my part of Europe. Yes, there's lack of admins here at this time and that's what annoys me. It's freakin' hard for me to catch an admin online, which stops me from editing really many pages. Another reason against that protect-mania among admins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
They should space out the admins. There's like a clump before and there isn't any now. lol. I should go to bed shouldn't I. Its a school night too.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::First, take it to the forums. Second, I doubt you guys could become an admin any time soon. And if you did, you'd have to change your attitudes. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 02:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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The reason why it's staying protected until 3/22 is because people decide to jump the gun. We don't need that happening, we don't wanna waste edits to fix something that someone assumed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

People! I agree with TTE! Take this immature "discussion" to the forums! Plus, you shouldn't talk rudely about the admins. Its their choice and I will act maturely and respect that choice. When the time for unprotection will come, I know for one that it will be the right time, plus its the time it comes out in America. I trust the admins and I look up to them. So, everyone start acting mature.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 10:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, so Maturity = Lickspittling! GTFO. I hate lickspittles. I still think that keeping the page protecting is just stupid. People jumping the gun? Come on, those are just n00bs. Experienced users know Bulbapedia's policies and rules and they know NOT TO jump the gun. Really, protecting pages for such reason is like... keeping a shop closed just because a thief may rob it while it's open. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Very well said, I'll keep this in mind ^^ hehe. though, one question, what is ''Lickspittling''? I can't find a translation/explanation... [Greets, [[User:MewX|mewX]] ([[User talk:MewX|TALK]])] 15:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

YOU, yeah YOU just don't get it...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::Stop. Like I said, it's no big deal, you got your reason, now leave it alone. They protect it from ''everybody'' so the new users don't feel like everybody's hating them. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

== Email functions ==

On the Pokémon Platinum website, it doesn't have the email function appearently, just Wii message support. --[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 11:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:I saw that in my game, too. Is there maybe a way to get past this?--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 19:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprites ==

The article mistakenly informs that Platinum is the first game to have the Pokémon back sprites animated. It's untrue since that happens in every game since Emerald. Since the page is protected, a mod should correct it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:They're not the same kind of animation. In The other games, they just move back and forth or get bigger or something like that. In Platinum. They actually move. Such as Pikachu for example will move it's head to look behind it. Or Azumarril will do a little dance. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
'''True and False, I heard that Pokémon back sprites do what they do on the front. i don't know but i will find out.''' ''Anoritian''
::What Sketch has is correct. They have different BACK animation than before, not specifically different animation from when facing the player. There may be some similarities in both front and back animation, but it doesn't really matter to add that. "Their back sprites now animate much like their front sprites" is perfectly fine. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::OK, now I understand. I didn't had the idea that I was talking about a different type of animation. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 22:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
== Berry Accessories ==
The prices for the Accessories you can buy in Floaroma Town are cheaper in Platinum. Should that be put in? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:If that is the case, then of course it should be put in. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 12:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Speed of the game ==

Platinum is faster than Diamond and Pearl, no doubt. But can we consider it as fast as the [[Generation III]] games or almost as fast as them, in general and specific terms? It's because I added that information to the article yet saying "almost as fast if not as fast". [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 13:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:Leave it as it is. In some ways the Gen. III games are faster, while in some ways Platinum is faster. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still how do we consider if we put D/P in the subject? I understand you're point and it's right but talking about general speed, should we put this way: Gen III = Platinum > D/P or Gen III ≈ Platinum > D/P? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Nah. Saying that the gameplay is slightly faster is good enough. I'm going to reword it a little though. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Fossils in the Underground ==

How is it determined whether you get Skull or Armor Fossils in the Underground? I read in one place that it depends on your Trainer ID, but I'm not sure. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:For D/P, they're exclusive. Pearl has Armor Fossils and Diamond has Skull Fossils. For Platinum, it doesn't matter. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::It does depend on your Trainer ID number. Odd gets the Diamond distribution, even gets the Pearl one. How lucky for me, I ended up with the Diamond one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:03, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Nevermind then. I haven't bothered to try getting any fossils, so I didn't know. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Missing Pokémon ==

According to the missing Pokémon section of the article, the only ones missing are the Clamperl, Misdreavus, Murkrow, Trapinch, Glameow and Stunky evolution lines. I can't imagine this being true, since I doubt that any of the starters (obviously bar the Gen IV ones) or the Generation II or III Legendaries are available. Is the list incomplete, or are they in fact obtainable in Pt? I haven't played it yet (stupid Europe release date...) so could someone clear this up for me? [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 14:04, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:Those Pokémon have an in-game location in the two previous versions, but are no longer available in Platinum. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 14:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 15:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image cache? ==

Just as we did on the article on Giratina (where for each of its forms the picture changes), can we have this article have different pictures of the boxart in different languages? [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 09:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Huh, guys? ==

"''Platinum's PRNG, or pseudorandom number generator, used for determining a Pokémon's personality value, is "broken", leading to the easier breeding of shiny eggs and negligence to reset in-game events such as what Trainers appear in the Battleground. This also happens with Pokémon Emerald. ''"
Just wondering, but does this mean it's more likely for normal Pokémon too produce a shiny egg, or that if two shiny Pokémon breed (or one) it'll be more likely for them to have a shiny egg? [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 19:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== Would it mean anything if I take this off. ==

at the beginning of the article, it says it "currently awaits for other regions" or something like that. can I take that off. Do you think they will release it in any other region of the world?--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

:We're gonna keep it up until they get announced in another region, or they announce that they won't translate it any more, although that won't be likely. We've done that for the past few games. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== It appears that the SHAYMIN has fled... ==

Hey, when I on the GTS, I came across a message. It was the text box for speaking in the game, and it said what the title above said. It happened when I was on the GTS selection menu (the Deposet a Pokémon, search for a Pokémon, and leave menu). I asking if this has happened to anyone, and if they know how this happened. --[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 1:09:37 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== I need a second opinion about this. ==

I was looking, this is a minor detail but the English Pokémon logo on Platinum is actually brighter then on DP.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 22:22, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:Never mind that's not good for trivia so scratch that.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]]''' 03:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== You guys over exaggerated how Team Galactic act in this game ==

So I noticed that in this section, you guys wrote this: "Team Galactic's plans for world domination and the layouts of their HQs, such as the one in Eterna, have been changed. '''In addition, they openly recognize their goal and are more openly villainous.'''" Um, what? Seriously, wtf? Are you guys trying to make Platinum's plot sound more "mature" and "cool"? They don't recognize their "goal" anymore than they do in Diamond/Pearl. And "openly villainous"? '''Seriously'''? Just because you blow up the Great Marsh doesn't mean you're openly villainous O_o... Sounds to me like whoever wrote that is trying to make the game seem more "mature" and "hip". Because the plot isn't ''that'' different from Diamond & Pearl. --Chaos Rush 00:36:14 (UTC)

EDIT: Bah, who cares. Why am I even writing this? I'm just going to edit the article so it's not misleading. --Chaos Rush 05:40:20 (UTC)
:Fantastic. That's the way wikis are meant to work. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== 1,000 revisions! ==

As of the moment, this page has 1,000 revisions, only being surpassed by [[Ash Ketchum]].--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 17:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:I hate to be a dick, but I just made it 1001. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::LOL.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 12:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

== Rival's harder ==
Is it just me, or does rival reoccur a LOT more than usual? And he seems harder to beat now...

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==Game Counterpart==
This page belongs in the anime section of the game character. We have it for almost all the other game characters that appear in the anime so why should this be any different. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:Because he's different. He's a [[Cross-canon counterparts|Cross-canon counterpart]]. It would be just like having Ash as a subsection of {{ga|Red}}'s article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::No he isn't. Jun is basically the same character. Unlike Ash and Red who have some differences. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::Shut up, he is! He's a [[Cross-canon counterparts|Cross-canon counterpart]]. We have articles on all Cross-canon counterparts: {{Ash}}, {{Gary}}, {{jo|Jimmy}}, {{jo|Marina}}, [[Vincent]] {{an|May}} and {{an|Dawn}}, we also have articles on ALL manga counterparts, then why not on Jun, too? He's got a FULL appearance, unlike {{ga|Silver}}, [[Brendan]] and [[Lucas]], so he fully deserves a specific article. He is also a MAIN game rival (unlike [[Wally]], who didn't appear in anime, but if he did, he would deserve nothing more than an anime subsection in the game article). Remember for your life - Cross-canon counterpart = Different Character! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::They can only be cross-canon counterparts if one of the characters are based off on the other. But Jun is exactly the same as his game character. Personality, Pokémon, everything. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::No, that's not true. Any MAIN character counterpart is considered different (except the mentioned three, whose appearances weren't long enough) and please, don't say anything about his personality. That's what we call gun-jumping. We don't even really know what Pokémon will he posess. Rival counterpart = Different character. It's a thing you just have to remember. Don't act like you know more than me about Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::We don't even know if Jun will be appearing again. And even if Jun is different so should the countless number of game characters that appeared in the show. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::{{jo|Jimmy}} also appeared for only one episode (though I agree that he SHOULD NOT be put to the template). So, your logic fails. He's an Inter-Media Counterpart not matter if you like it or not. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I was not talking about Jimmy. I'm talking about all the gym leaders, game villains, Elite 4, heck even [[Cheryl]] and [[Mira]]. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Then why does {{jo|Jimmy}} have an article about him in your opinion? He's just an one-time character, so shouldn't he be just a subsection of {{ga|Gold}} according to your logic? The Gym Leaders, Villains, Elite 4 and Other Characters you mentioned are actually the same characters in all canons they appear. It's generally accepted that only counterparts of MAIN game characters count as separate characters. Main characters = Game protagonists, Rivals (the characters you can name, in general). It's a generally-accepted standard and Jun meets it. So, don't argue. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::: Jmath does have a point, Dawn's mother doesn't have an article, and she's pretty important, I would even say more important than Jun, because Johanna has a relation to Dawn. I don't see why Jun would deserve his own article. When Johanna even doesn't. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::FAIL. Johanna is not a MAIN game characters, not a rival or protagonist, she is just a mother. She may be important in the anime, in the games she's not. So, her anime incarnation DOES NOT deserve an article. Your argument failed like a bomb in ocean. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Jimmy isn't exactly same as Gold. They're still different just as Ash and Red are different. And by your logic, May and Dawn should go also be in the games page. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::No, they shouldn't. Because they are protagonists/rivals. My main criteria is not the importance of the character in the other canon, name difference or design differences but rather his ROLE IN THE GAME. This is a criteria everyone here agrees with. You're arguing with me for no reason. And you keep losing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
: Professor Oak, Professor Birch, Professor Elm, Professor Rowan also don't have their own articles (And argue all you want but Professor OAK IS IMPORTANT IN THE GAMES). And plus what you said makes no sense, how is a parent/relative less important than a game rival? Add to the fact we have articles of COTD's and still other characters don't have their own articles. SO YOUR LOGIC FAILS. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::No, it does not fail. The Professors are important, but they're not MAIN characters. And saying that protagonist's parent who just sits in house and sometimes enter Contests is more important that the game rival is just RIDICULOUS. Please, don't insist that you know anything about the things you have no idea about. It's what I hate the most in people like you. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::: Then why the hell do we have articles of people who only showed up once in the anime when these characters I mentioned showed up more than once. See that doesn't make sense. Sure argue I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but you don't either. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Please, leave COTDs away. They are completely unrelated here. They are completely unrelated to the game characters we are currently talking about. If they appeared in the game, they would have one articles on all their incarnations, but they NEVER appear in the games, so they have only one article - about their one and only incarnation - the anime one. So sorry, you fail again. Your reasons are one of the most stupid ones I've heard in awhile. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::IT MAKES NO SENSE. Why is Jun so important, just because he's a damn rival protaginist? If Jun appears only once he's just akin to a COTD. So he get's his own article (just like COTD's). Again it makes no sense. Jun could not important at all, his anime team mirrors his team in the games, which I can't say the same about Professor Oak, Johanna, Professor Elm, and blah blah blah, because they have differences between the two. Professor Oak never had Dragonite in the games, and Johanna never had a Glameow in the games (she only had a Kangaskhan).You know I can understand that it would make some articles with little information(a paragraph at the most). But remember COTD's information really small (just pointing to the connection not importance). And besides if Johanna's game information was so damn important, it would show up on this page http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mom. And when I pointed to the COTDs, you totally missed the point. See your arguement is if they didn't have a important role in the games they don't deserve their own article. Okay I get it but why is it when they aren't important to the anime they deserve their own article. Isn't that a double standard? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::He may be a COTD in the anime but in the game he's a MAIN character and all his Cross-canon incarnations count as separate characters. It's you who started mixing random characters to this. They have no bearing here. They're a separate issue. And the fact that they possess different Pokémon than in the games doesn't reflect anything. It's about the characters, not their Pokémon. Please leave non-protagonist characters alone, they're a separate issue. And do you realise that the thing about COTDs you mentioned are actually an argument IN FAVOUR of having an article on Jun. You're contradicting yourself. I could use your arguements against you if I wanted it, but I don't feel like doing it. You have weak and newbish reasons. I'm sick of debating with people like you. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Like me? Damn if you are so sure you know anything about me, write my biography. And no I wasn't contradicting myself I was making a connection. It's only a contradiction when I'm adamant about Jun not having an article. In fact I have no problem with it, the problem I do have is that while Jun has it's own articles, certain characters don't. And hell if COTD was any indication of anything, it would mean we would have articles about Johanna, Professor Oak because hell they showed up in the anime, don't they deserve their own anime articles. Who cares that they have game information? And again it's all double standards. Oh but I suppose YOU don't have a problem with it.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: I forgot, when I said Jun could be like COTD, I meant that it "should" be on his game page, just like Professor Oak, and Johanna. But again double standards.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Adding to the fire, but, seriously, the answer to the problem is in his name. If his game article is going to be called "Pearl (game)", then "Jun (anime)" should deserve his own page, BECAUSE he's not called Pearl. GLs, the five partners, all direct game references with no name changes don't deserve their own separate page.

HOWEVER. Jun's game name defaults as Pearl. He is not Pearl. He is Jun (and hopefully, in the future, Barry). He should get his own paged based on the fact that he isn't called his default game name, just like Ash isn't called Red and Gary isn't called Green/Blue. Riley will still be Riley, Winona was still Winona. Pearl isn't Jun, and it isn't fair to designate him under Pearl simply because nothing changed about him personally. They'll act the same, but Gary acted the same way as his game C/P all through Kanto, and if this was then, Gary still would have gotten his own page. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
: I have no problem with Gary or Ash from the anime because it's obvious they are slightly different then their Game counterparts. When we have Jun who is exactly like his game counterpart only his name is different is the problem. Jun looks exactly like Pearl (game) and most likely has the same team (3 of his 6 are). Forget it....... I don't care anymore, have your weird Bulbapedia format, where a game rival is more important than a game/anime article character is related to an anime article character.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 16:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Okay, here's why he's not under Pearl's page. ==

Because '''''he's not Pearl any more than Gary Oak is Blue'''''. Remember, Gary was as much a jerk as Blue. They even both said "smell ya later" I believe. Gary's team may not be based on Blue's in any games, but so what? What's to say Jun's last three Pokémon aren't something completely random?

He has the same clothes. Great. He has the same team. Great. Gary has the same clothes as Blue in both RGBY and FRLG and he's got a separate article.

The title of the episode is ''Rival Trainer Jun Appears!'' not ''Rival Trainer Pearl Appears!''. His name is Jun. Not Pearl. Just like how {{tt|Kenta|Jimmy}}, not {{ga|Gold}}, and {{jo|Marina}}, not {{tt|Crys|Kris}}, appeared in the ''[[Legend of Thunder]]'' special. Brendan and Lucas weren't given separate names nor even much of an appearance, but Jun appears in an episode titled after and focusing on him. Jimmy and Marina do the same in LOT, though they didn't exactly name the thing.

Essentially, though, here's what it is: Game protagonists and rivals who appear in the anime get a separate page for their anime iteration if their role is large enough. {{ga|Silver}} appeared in the opening for LOT, and nothing else (plus {{an|Silver}} is that old guy who everyone <s>knows</s> thinks is [[Ash Ketchum|the idiot]]'s dad anyway). {{ga|Brendan}} was in the opening segment of three movies, but did little more than send out one Pokémon and order it to use a move. Whoo, give the man a page. No really. He's not notable enough in the anime for his own page. {{ga|Lucas}} does even less; he battled only ONCE in a movie opening.

Plus, well, with the exception of May and Dawn, all of the game protagonists and antagonists have different names from their anime counterparts. {{tt|Satoshi|Ash}}, not Red. {{tt|Shigeru|Gary}}, not {{tt|Green|Blue}}. {{tt|Kenta|Jimmy}}, not Gold. Marina, not {{tt|Crys|Kris}}. {{tt|Jun|And he's gonna be protected from moving to an English name until next year or longer!}}, not Pearl.

In closing.
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'''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks, TTE! Anyway, would you mind unblocking the page. There are things I would change. There is no proof that he's from Twinleaf. I would also delete the template. There is no proof that he'll be a recurring rival. I know the page was created pretty early but I'm a bit sick of the fact that Bulbapedia Admins block EVERYTHING lately. The blocked pages are usually the ones I want to edit. It sometimes feels that the admins simply want to use their powers. Please unblock the page, you won't regret it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::Eh, it won't be too long, and being that he's based on a main game character... And besides, Gary appeared once every, what, eight thousand episodes? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

I found a pic that has him centered, rther than b all the way to the lef. Shouldn't we use that pic?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Anyway, we are changing the image once the episode airs. No need to use the preview images. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 18:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It's this pic [[Image: DP101Jun.jpg]]. Much better, right?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:No such image exists. No one is supposed to upload images for you anyway. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 18:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
There was an image that was recently on
:That's my pic! and it's PNG!!!!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 18:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:DP101Jun.png]]

I think it's very good Luc--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:We will have more choice of pics when the episode airs, not now. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 18:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::I see..Okay, And I forgot your name Kuki! dang it,~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 18:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Kuki's name is Scott--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 20:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring character ==

Why is there the [[Template:animecharacters]] there? there is no proof yet that he will make a reappearance.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 01:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:In the preview there is :]--[[User:David aipom|''デビッド Aipom '']] [[User talk:David aipom|(Speaks To Me):] 秘密の通信 ]] 17:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

What do you guys say in changing the current image in the page with [[Image:Pearlanime.PNG]]? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:The current one is better quality. I oppose the replacement. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::Changing the format to .png when it's already been a .jpg doesn't do it anything but make it a bigger file size. If you took the screenshot yourself, take it again and save it as a .png the first time. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I changed the screenshot. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 21:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Jmath's one is of slightly better quality, but really, it's hardly noticeable, even at full size. I don't think it matters which one goes up. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] 22:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::The current one is also too plain and nothing special. This one at least is more action packed. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 20:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring phrase ==

He says one thing over and over again in the episode, whenever he runs into Ash and lost the battle to Ash. Not knowing any Japanese, I turn to others out there to ask what it means [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

:You mean the "Nandio, Nandio, Nandatendio" or something like that? '''[[Pachirisu (Pokémon)|パチリス]][[User:Pachirisulover12|の恋人]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 01:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

::That's the one [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

==Main==
Is he a part of the group, because he's still with Ash and them going to Canalave when he already has the badge, and he's been with them ever since his first appearence. [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 14:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
:Probably just another [[Todd Snap|Todd]]. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

oh yeah i fergot about that, haha sorry [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 15:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
::Of course.....maybe not...[[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']] 18:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Page for his Empoleon? ==

I feel his Empoleon deserves a page. It is his main battling Pokémon, and has been seen in 3 episodes so far. So I think it deserves a page. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 18:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
:So has Aoi's Shinx but it doesn't have a page. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
::It's not about how many times it appears, it's about how much of a significance the Pokémon is.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 05:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

:::For all we know, this guy'll never appear again. Then again, he could also reveal himself as {{si|Kenny}}'s brother and that the Empoleon is actually borrowed from Kenny, meaning the Empoleon could [[Kenny's Prinplup|already have an article and we don't even know it]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

::::well I doubt anyone thought that Morrison would appear again and he did, plus he seems to be more signifacint than other charecters, but in this discussion I have to say that we'll have to wait until he appears again----[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 18:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Palmer ==

when we put palmer there in realtives........[[User:Bakunawa|Bakunawa]] 04:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:Not yet. It needs to be confirmed in the anime first. Although the character is based on {{ga|Pearl}}, not all aspects might be carried across. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== Protect? ==

Before the Heracross mania begins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Anime section ==

Could someone *cough*an admin*cough* fix the main body of the article to say he ''did'' appear in Dp110 and 111? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 11:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== Again, why protected? ==

Because someone can jump with Barry or Damion? Come on! No one will do it. The people here know that unconfirmed information SHALL NOT be posted here. So, I think there is NO REASON to hold this page protected until April. He may reappear 5 times until then. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
: It's not hurting anything. Yeah, everyone out there wants to jump on and call him Barry but as far as we know, he's not going to have {{tt|any major apperances|although a scan claiming to be from K-Zone claimed he'll appear around Snowpoint, after which Ash's Torkoal will evolve....}}as he's still training on Iron Island. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 17:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
::You know that scan had been a fake right? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That's why I said claiming and claimed... We know that it's not [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jun's Pokemons ==
I'm can to make a page for Jun others pokemons (Roserade,Staraptor and Heracross)?
[[User:Pokedigo|Pokedigo]] 16:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Just having one for Empoleon is fine. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 16:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Okay why? ==

Why is it being protected until April 5th? That's a ridiculously long length. I would understand if you wanted to protect it on March 15 to April 5th, but not now. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jun=Barry ==

A new episode title hinted that his name is Barry. Quite frankly, I don't know who else it would belong to, so can we unlock this and change it to match the dub title? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 14:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

:Dude regarding this I have had battles with the admins for half my life here. And however good proofs you may find , even if Satoshi Tjari comes and confirms it they will always say "Wait till it airs". --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 14:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::Its better to be consistent. If they make an exception just for this one, every other page has to get this treatment, meaning total breakdown. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 15:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Cant imagine TTE and specially DETH allowing it. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Didn't [[Morrison]] get this treatment as well? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Wasnt here then. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::OMG, that's one of the examples of when the "Until it airs" policy fails. The admins believed the episode title, yet they don't believe that the character would be named Barry? Come on, that's just RIDICULOUS! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It should be verified by the title, though...--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 12:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Maxim, you have to live with it, even though it's obvious, we still have to wait.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 12:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::But this is IRRATIONAL. As irrational as standing in for admins' stupid decisions... That simply makes no sense and it's pathetic. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::That's the rules.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Every rule has an exception, which clinche it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::I agree that at this point, it seems ridiculous to protect the article until dub airing. "Barry" is in the title, no other character in the episode could possibly be named "Barry" and going by the list of default game names "Barry" is the English equivalent of "Jun". I mean... I'd say that if we try running it by the [[WP:Duck test|Duck test]], it's pretty conclusive what Jun's English name is. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 05:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I'd like to change it too. But if we did, then we'd have to do it for everyone. Besides, it won't kill you to wait a couple of weeks. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I hate Bulbapedia's "wait until it airs" rule...that's the reason why I don't depend on this site anymore...it's not updated...and I'm pretty sure many people feel the same.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 06:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I don't, the rule to me is pretty simple. Now run along children we got nine days before DP101 airs.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::What if the episode airs and the title happens to be different? What if Jun isn't Barry? You have to look at it that way. Need I remind you of [[Solidad|Samantha]] and [[Ada (Kanto)|Audrey]]? Technically we are updated with the ''confirmed'' information. If you don't like it, join the Bulbanews and post it there or request that they post it. They have no restrictions. See that's the problem, people treat Bulbapedia like a news site such as Serebii. It's not. That's what Bulbanews is for. However, it is kind of hypocritical that we submit new titles of episodes before airing but not this... Maybe something should be changed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::::WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS RULE. Lets vote. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 09:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

No.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

:I do not agree with the opinion that if we moved Barry, we would have to do it for everyone. "Everyone" does not have an officially confirmed name (through a title). Barry has. Come on, the title REVEALED this name. If we believed that the title is real, then why do we refuse to believe that the name is real? Moving the page WOULD NOT be a big breakage of the Bulbapedia's Policies, as there actually IS an evidence that the name is real. That "What if the episode title happens to be different?" is completely bullshit. At this logic, we should not believe in any leaked titles. At this logic, Bulbapedia SHOULD NOT allow putting episode titles in the articles before the airing. But it does. Hypocrisy much? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
::Logical fallacy. You don't have to move an article for the English title. Dub names for characters do require that, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:::So, that's all about effort... Eh... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Jun's Piplup ==

I may be incorrect, but I've heard that in the recent episode Jun mentioned that he started with/has had a Piplup. Shouldn't his Pokémon list be updated accordingly? [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 23:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:Proof? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, I watched the subbed version. Barry says that the road of getting Prinplup to evolve into Empoleon is difficult, which would imply that he's had it at least since it was Prinplup. However, this isn't exactly a comfirmation. After all, we still won't allow the mentioning of Drew possibly having his Flygon since it was Vibrava after saying something similar. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::No matter how any lecture may be worded, if it doesn't appear explicit enough, it ain't confirmation. Even if that conversation were more solid to confirm Barry had it as a Prinplup, the possibility would still exist that he caught it as a wild Prinplup and then ditched his {{p|Turtwig|real starter}} afterwards...

:::(Note that the destination of the link may not reflect the accuracy of Barry's overall backstory, just the most likely case from the perspective of the games assuming Dawn's basis is that of player character. And remember, "most likely" does NOT mean "confirmed" by any stretch of the imagination.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== So, what? Move problem ==

[[Barry]] currently redirects to [[Pearl (game)]]. What are we doing? Are we moving this to "Barry (anime)" and changing "Barry" into a disambig? Or maybe delete the redirect and move the page to "Barry" with the headnote about Pearl? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:Personally, I think [[Barry]] should be the disambig, since that's the first choice of the names for {{ga|Pearl}} in both Diamond and Platinum. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Duet ==

In ''Barry's Busting Out All Over!'', Dawn points out that Barry was in a 'duet with the exploud' which is similar to [[Pearl (Special)|Pearl]] and [[Diamond (Special)|Diamond]] and their comedy duo. Should that be in the trivia section? Or is that a totally different thing? I thought it was a bit interesting but that's just me --[[User:Talli|ταllı]][[User talk:Talli|☆]] 23:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Change Picture ==
I think you should change Barrys' picture back to http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5e/Pearlanime.PNG
I think it's better than the current one on his page. the current one on his page isn't very good in my opinion, no offence...

Talk:Barry (anime)

2009-11-19T02:08:04Z

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Talk:Barry (anime)

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==Game Counterpart==
This page belongs in the anime section of the game character. We have it for almost all the other game characters that appear in the anime so why should this be any different. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:Because he's different. He's a [[Cross-canon counterparts|Cross-canon counterpart]]. It would be just like having Ash as a subsection of {{ga|Red}}'s article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::No he isn't. Jun is basically the same character. Unlike Ash and Red who have some differences. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::Shut up, he is! He's a [[Cross-canon counterparts|Cross-canon counterpart]]. We have articles on all Cross-canon counterparts: {{Ash}}, {{Gary}}, {{jo|Jimmy}}, {{jo|Marina}}, [[Vincent]] {{an|May}} and {{an|Dawn}}, we also have articles on ALL manga counterparts, then why not on Jun, too? He's got a FULL appearance, unlike {{ga|Silver}}, [[Brendan]] and [[Lucas]], so he fully deserves a specific article. He is also a MAIN game rival (unlike [[Wally]], who didn't appear in anime, but if he did, he would deserve nothing more than an anime subsection in the game article). Remember for your life - Cross-canon counterpart = Different Character! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::They can only be cross-canon counterparts if one of the characters are based off on the other. But Jun is exactly the same as his game character. Personality, Pokémon, everything. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::No, that's not true. Any MAIN character counterpart is considered different (except the mentioned three, whose appearances weren't long enough) and please, don't say anything about his personality. That's what we call gun-jumping. We don't even really know what Pokémon will he posess. Rival counterpart = Different character. It's a thing you just have to remember. Don't act like you know more than me about Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::We don't even know if Jun will be appearing again. And even if Jun is different so should the countless number of game characters that appeared in the show. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::{{jo|Jimmy}} also appeared for only one episode (though I agree that he SHOULD NOT be put to the template). So, your logic fails. He's an Inter-Media Counterpart not matter if you like it or not. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I was not talking about Jimmy. I'm talking about all the gym leaders, game villains, Elite 4, heck even [[Cheryl]] and [[Mira]]. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Then why does {{jo|Jimmy}} have an article about him in your opinion? He's just an one-time character, so shouldn't he be just a subsection of {{ga|Gold}} according to your logic? The Gym Leaders, Villains, Elite 4 and Other Characters you mentioned are actually the same characters in all canons they appear. It's generally accepted that only counterparts of MAIN game characters count as separate characters. Main characters = Game protagonists, Rivals (the characters you can name, in general). It's a generally-accepted standard and Jun meets it. So, don't argue. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::: Jmath does have a point, Dawn's mother doesn't have an article, and she's pretty important, I would even say more important than Jun, because Johanna has a relation to Dawn. I don't see why Jun would deserve his own article. When Johanna even doesn't. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::FAIL. Johanna is not a MAIN game characters, not a rival or protagonist, she is just a mother. She may be important in the anime, in the games she's not. So, her anime incarnation DOES NOT deserve an article. Your argument failed like a bomb in ocean. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Jimmy isn't exactly same as Gold. They're still different just as Ash and Red are different. And by your logic, May and Dawn should go also be in the games page. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::No, they shouldn't. Because they are protagonists/rivals. My main criteria is not the importance of the character in the other canon, name difference or design differences but rather his ROLE IN THE GAME. This is a criteria everyone here agrees with. You're arguing with me for no reason. And you keep losing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
: Professor Oak, Professor Birch, Professor Elm, Professor Rowan also don't have their own articles (And argue all you want but Professor OAK IS IMPORTANT IN THE GAMES). And plus what you said makes no sense, how is a parent/relative less important than a game rival? Add to the fact we have articles of COTD's and still other characters don't have their own articles. SO YOUR LOGIC FAILS. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::No, it does not fail. The Professors are important, but they're not MAIN characters. And saying that protagonist's parent who just sits in house and sometimes enter Contests is more important that the game rival is just RIDICULOUS. Please, don't insist that you know anything about the things you have no idea about. It's what I hate the most in people like you. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::: Then why the hell do we have articles of people who only showed up once in the anime when these characters I mentioned showed up more than once. See that doesn't make sense. Sure argue I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but you don't either. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Please, leave COTDs away. They are completely unrelated here. They are completely unrelated to the game characters we are currently talking about. If they appeared in the game, they would have one articles on all their incarnations, but they NEVER appear in the games, so they have only one article - about their one and only incarnation - the anime one. So sorry, you fail again. Your reasons are one of the most stupid ones I've heard in awhile. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::IT MAKES NO SENSE. Why is Jun so important, just because he's a damn rival protaginist? If Jun appears only once he's just akin to a COTD. So he get's his own article (just like COTD's). Again it makes no sense. Jun could not important at all, his anime team mirrors his team in the games, which I can't say the same about Professor Oak, Johanna, Professor Elm, and blah blah blah, because they have differences between the two. Professor Oak never had Dragonite in the games, and Johanna never had a Glameow in the games (she only had a Kangaskhan).You know I can understand that it would make some articles with little information(a paragraph at the most). But remember COTD's information really small (just pointing to the connection not importance). And besides if Johanna's game information was so damn important, it would show up on this page http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mom. And when I pointed to the COTDs, you totally missed the point. See your arguement is if they didn't have a important role in the games they don't deserve their own article. Okay I get it but why is it when they aren't important to the anime they deserve their own article. Isn't that a double standard? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::He may be a COTD in the anime but in the game he's a MAIN character and all his Cross-canon incarnations count as separate characters. It's you who started mixing random characters to this. They have no bearing here. They're a separate issue. And the fact that they possess different Pokémon than in the games doesn't reflect anything. It's about the characters, not their Pokémon. Please leave non-protagonist characters alone, they're a separate issue. And do you realise that the thing about COTDs you mentioned are actually an argument IN FAVOUR of having an article on Jun. You're contradicting yourself. I could use your arguements against you if I wanted it, but I don't feel like doing it. You have weak and newbish reasons. I'm sick of debating with people like you. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Like me? Damn if you are so sure you know anything about me, write my biography. And no I wasn't contradicting myself I was making a connection. It's only a contradiction when I'm adamant about Jun not having an article. In fact I have no problem with it, the problem I do have is that while Jun has it's own articles, certain characters don't. And hell if COTD was any indication of anything, it would mean we would have articles about Johanna, Professor Oak because hell they showed up in the anime, don't they deserve their own anime articles. Who cares that they have game information? And again it's all double standards. Oh but I suppose YOU don't have a problem with it.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: I forgot, when I said Jun could be like COTD, I meant that it "should" be on his game page, just like Professor Oak, and Johanna. But again double standards.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Adding to the fire, but, seriously, the answer to the problem is in his name. If his game article is going to be called "Pearl (game)", then "Jun (anime)" should deserve his own page, BECAUSE he's not called Pearl. GLs, the five partners, all direct game references with no name changes don't deserve their own separate page.

HOWEVER. Jun's game name defaults as Pearl. He is not Pearl. He is Jun (and hopefully, in the future, Barry). He should get his own paged based on the fact that he isn't called his default game name, just like Ash isn't called Red and Gary isn't called Green/Blue. Riley will still be Riley, Winona was still Winona. Pearl isn't Jun, and it isn't fair to designate him under Pearl simply because nothing changed about him personally. They'll act the same, but Gary acted the same way as his game C/P all through Kanto, and if this was then, Gary still would have gotten his own page. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
: I have no problem with Gary or Ash from the anime because it's obvious they are slightly different then their Game counterparts. When we have Jun who is exactly like his game counterpart only his name is different is the problem. Jun looks exactly like Pearl (game) and most likely has the same team (3 of his 6 are). Forget it....... I don't care anymore, have your weird Bulbapedia format, where a game rival is more important than a game/anime article character is related to an anime article character.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 16:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Okay, here's why he's not under Pearl's page. ==

Because '''''he's not Pearl any more than Gary Oak is Blue'''''. Remember, Gary was as much a jerk as Blue. They even both said "smell ya later" I believe. Gary's team may not be based on Blue's in any games, but so what? What's to say Jun's last three Pokémon aren't something completely random?

He has the same clothes. Great. He has the same team. Great. Gary has the same clothes as Blue in both RGBY and FRLG and he's got a separate article.

The title of the episode is ''Rival Trainer Jun Appears!'' not ''Rival Trainer Pearl Appears!''. His name is Jun. Not Pearl. Just like how {{tt|Kenta|Jimmy}}, not {{ga|Gold}}, and {{jo|Marina}}, not {{tt|Crys|Kris}}, appeared in the ''[[Legend of Thunder]]'' special. Brendan and Lucas weren't given separate names nor even much of an appearance, but Jun appears in an episode titled after and focusing on him. Jimmy and Marina do the same in LOT, though they didn't exactly name the thing.

Essentially, though, here's what it is: Game protagonists and rivals who appear in the anime get a separate page for their anime iteration if their role is large enough. {{ga|Silver}} appeared in the opening for LOT, and nothing else (plus {{an|Silver}} is that old guy who everyone <s>knows</s> thinks is [[Ash Ketchum|the idiot]]'s dad anyway). {{ga|Brendan}} was in the opening segment of three movies, but did little more than send out one Pokémon and order it to use a move. Whoo, give the man a page. No really. He's not notable enough in the anime for his own page. {{ga|Lucas}} does even less; he battled only ONCE in a movie opening.

Plus, well, with the exception of May and Dawn, all of the game protagonists and antagonists have different names from their anime counterparts. {{tt|Satoshi|Ash}}, not Red. {{tt|Shigeru|Gary}}, not {{tt|Green|Blue}}. {{tt|Kenta|Jimmy}}, not Gold. Marina, not {{tt|Crys|Kris}}. {{tt|Jun|And he's gonna be protected from moving to an English name until next year or longer!}}, not Pearl.

In closing.
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'''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks, TTE! Anyway, would you mind unblocking the page. There are things I would change. There is no proof that he's from Twinleaf. I would also delete the template. There is no proof that he'll be a recurring rival. I know the page was created pretty early but I'm a bit sick of the fact that Bulbapedia Admins block EVERYTHING lately. The blocked pages are usually the ones I want to edit. It sometimes feels that the admins simply want to use their powers. Please unblock the page, you won't regret it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::Eh, it won't be too long, and being that he's based on a main game character... And besides, Gary appeared once every, what, eight thousand episodes? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

I found a pic that has him centered, rther than b all the way to the lef. Shouldn't we use that pic?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Anyway, we are changing the image once the episode airs. No need to use the preview images. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 18:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It's this pic [[Image: DP101Jun.jpg]]. Much better, right?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:No such image exists. No one is supposed to upload images for you anyway. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 18:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
There was an image that was recently on
:That's my pic! and it's PNG!!!!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 18:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:DP101Jun.png]]

I think it's very good Luc--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:We will have more choice of pics when the episode airs, not now. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 18:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::I see..Okay, And I forgot your name Kuki! dang it,~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 18:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Kuki's name is Scott--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 20:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring character ==

Why is there the [[Template:animecharacters]] there? there is no proof yet that he will make a reappearance.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 01:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:In the preview there is :]--[[User:David aipom|''デビッド Aipom '']] [[User talk:David aipom|(Speaks To Me):] 秘密の通信 ]] 17:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

What do you guys say in changing the current image in the page with [[Image:Pearlanime.PNG]]? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:The current one is better quality. I oppose the replacement. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::Changing the format to .png when it's already been a .jpg doesn't do it anything but make it a bigger file size. If you took the screenshot yourself, take it again and save it as a .png the first time. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I changed the screenshot. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 21:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Jmath's one is of slightly better quality, but really, it's hardly noticeable, even at full size. I don't think it matters which one goes up. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] 22:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::The current one is also too plain and nothing special. This one at least is more action packed. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 20:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring phrase ==

He says one thing over and over again in the episode, whenever he runs into Ash and lost the battle to Ash. Not knowing any Japanese, I turn to others out there to ask what it means [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

:You mean the "Nandio, Nandio, Nandatendio" or something like that? '''[[Pachirisu (Pokémon)|パチリス]][[User:Pachirisulover12|の恋人]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 01:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

::That's the one [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

==Main==
Is he a part of the group, because he's still with Ash and them going to Canalave when he already has the badge, and he's been with them ever since his first appearence. [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 14:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
:Probably just another [[Todd Snap|Todd]]. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

oh yeah i fergot about that, haha sorry [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 15:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
::Of course.....maybe not...[[User:Kpokefan|'''K''']][[User talk:Kpokefan|'''P''']][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|'''F''']] 18:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Page for his Empoleon? ==

I feel his Empoleon deserves a page. It is his main battling Pokémon, and has been seen in 3 episodes so far. So I think it deserves a page. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 18:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
:So has Aoi's Shinx but it doesn't have a page. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
::It's not about how many times it appears, it's about how much of a significance the Pokémon is.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 05:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

:::For all we know, this guy'll never appear again. Then again, he could also reveal himself as {{si|Kenny}}'s brother and that the Empoleon is actually borrowed from Kenny, meaning the Empoleon could [[Kenny's Prinplup|already have an article and we don't even know it]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

::::well I doubt anyone thought that Morrison would appear again and he did, plus he seems to be more signifacint than other charecters, but in this discussion I have to say that we'll have to wait until he appears again----[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 18:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Palmer ==

when we put palmer there in realtives........[[User:Bakunawa|Bakunawa]] 04:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:Not yet. It needs to be confirmed in the anime first. Although the character is based on {{ga|Pearl}}, not all aspects might be carried across. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== Protect? ==

Before the Heracross mania begins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Anime section ==

Could someone *cough*an admin*cough* fix the main body of the article to say he ''did'' appear in Dp110 and 111? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 11:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== Again, why protected? ==

Because someone can jump with Barry or Damion? Come on! No one will do it. The people here know that unconfirmed information SHALL NOT be posted here. So, I think there is NO REASON to hold this page protected until April. He may reappear 5 times until then. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
: It's not hurting anything. Yeah, everyone out there wants to jump on and call him Barry but as far as we know, he's not going to have {{tt|any major apperances|although a scan claiming to be from K-Zone claimed he'll appear around Snowpoint, after which Ash's Torkoal will evolve....}}as he's still training on Iron Island. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 17:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
::You know that scan had been a fake right? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 17:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That's why I said claiming and claimed... We know that it's not [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jun's Pokemons ==
I'm can to make a page for Jun others pokemons (Roserade,Staraptor and Heracross)?
[[User:Pokedigo|Pokedigo]] 16:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Just having one for Empoleon is fine. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 16:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Okay why? ==

Why is it being protected until April 5th? That's a ridiculously long length. I would understand if you wanted to protect it on March 15 to April 5th, but not now. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jun=Barry ==

A new episode title hinted that his name is Barry. Quite frankly, I don't know who else it would belong to, so can we unlock this and change it to match the dub title? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 14:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

:Dude regarding this I have had battles with the admins for half my life here. And however good proofs you may find , even if Satoshi Tjari comes and confirms it they will always say "Wait till it airs". --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 14:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::Its better to be consistent. If they make an exception just for this one, every other page has to get this treatment, meaning total breakdown. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 15:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Cant imagine TTE and specially DETH allowing it. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Didn't [[Morrison]] get this treatment as well? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Wasnt here then. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::OMG, that's one of the examples of when the "Until it airs" policy fails. The admins believed the episode title, yet they don't believe that the character would be named Barry? Come on, that's just RIDICULOUS! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It should be verified by the title, though...--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 12:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Maxim, you have to live with it, even though it's obvious, we still have to wait.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 12:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::But this is IRRATIONAL. As irrational as standing in for admins' stupid decisions... That simply makes no sense and it's pathetic. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::That's the rules.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 13:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Every rule has an exception, which clinche it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::I agree that at this point, it seems ridiculous to protect the article until dub airing. "Barry" is in the title, no other character in the episode could possibly be named "Barry" and going by the list of default game names "Barry" is the English equivalent of "Jun". I mean... I'd say that if we try running it by the [[WP:Duck test|Duck test]], it's pretty conclusive what Jun's English name is. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 05:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I'd like to change it too. But if we did, then we'd have to do it for everyone. Besides, it won't kill you to wait a couple of weeks. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I hate Bulbapedia's "wait until it airs" rule...that's the reason why I don't depend on this site anymore...it's not updated...and I'm pretty sure many people feel the same.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 06:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I don't, the rule to me is pretty simple. Now run along children we got nine days before DP101 airs.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 06:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::What if the episode airs and the title happens to be different? What if Jun isn't Barry? You have to look at it that way. Need I remind you of [[Solidad|Samantha]] and [[Ada (Kanto)|Audrey]]? Technically we are updated with the ''confirmed'' information. If you don't like it, join the Bulbanews and post it there or request that they post it. They have no restrictions. See that's the problem, people treat Bulbapedia like a news site such as Serebii. It's not. That's what Bulbanews is for. However, it is kind of hypocritical that we submit new titles of episodes before airing but not this... Maybe something should be changed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::::WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS RULE. Lets vote. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 09:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

No.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

:I do not agree with the opinion that if we moved Barry, we would have to do it for everyone. "Everyone" does not have an officially confirmed name (through a title). Barry has. Come on, the title REVEALED this name. If we believed that the title is real, then why do we refuse to believe that the name is real? Moving the page WOULD NOT be a big breakage of the Bulbapedia's Policies, as there actually IS an evidence that the name is real. That "What if the episode title happens to be different?" is completely bullshit. At this logic, we should not believe in any leaked titles. At this logic, Bulbapedia SHOULD NOT allow putting episode titles in the articles before the airing. But it does. Hypocrisy much? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
::Logical fallacy. You don't have to move an article for the English title. Dub names for characters do require that, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:::So, that's all about effort... Eh... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Jun's Piplup ==

I may be incorrect, but I've heard that in the recent episode Jun mentioned that he started with/has had a Piplup. Shouldn't his Pokémon list be updated accordingly? [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 23:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:Proof? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, I watched the subbed version. Barry says that the road of getting Prinplup to evolve into Empoleon is difficult, which would imply that he's had it at least since it was Prinplup. However, this isn't exactly a comfirmation. After all, we still won't allow the mentioning of Drew possibly having his Flygon since it was Vibrava after saying something similar. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::No matter how any lecture may be worded, if it doesn't appear explicit enough, it ain't confirmation. Even if that conversation were more solid to confirm Barry had it as a Prinplup, the possibility would still exist that he caught it as a wild Prinplup and then ditched his {{p|Turtwig|real starter}} afterwards...

:::(Note that the destination of the link may not reflect the accuracy of Barry's overall backstory, just the most likely case from the perspective of the games assuming Dawn's basis is that of player character. And remember, "most likely" does NOT mean "confirmed" by any stretch of the imagination.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== So, what? Move problem ==

[[Barry]] currently redirects to [[Pearl (game)]]. What are we doing? Are we moving this to "Barry (anime)" and changing "Barry" into a disambig? Or maybe delete the redirect and move the page to "Barry" with the headnote about Pearl? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:Personally, I think [[Barry]] should be the disambig, since that's the first choice of the names for {{ga|Pearl}} in both Diamond and Platinum. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Duet ==

In ''Barry's Busting Out All Over!'', Dawn points out that Barry was in a 'duet with the exploud' which is similar to [[Pearl (Special)|Pearl]] and [[Diamond (Special)|Diamond]] and their comedy duo. Should that be in the trivia section? Or is that a totally different thing? I thought it was a bit interesting but that's just me --[[User:Talli|ταllı]][[User talk:Talli|☆]] 23:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I think you should change Barrys' picture back to http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5e/Pearlanime.PNG
I think it's better than the current one on his page. the current one on his page isn't very good in my opinion, no offence...

User:Pichachu-San

2009-11-19T01:59:31Z

Pichachu-San: Created page with 'Pichachu-San was born on November 8th, 1994 in the USA. She started liking Pokemon at the age of six but didn't become a true Pokemon fan until seventh grade. Favorite Pokemon:…'

Pichachu-San was born on November 8th, 1994 in the USA. She started liking Pokemon at the age of six but didn't become a true Pokemon fan until seventh grade.

Favorite Pokemon:
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/2f/Spr_4h_025_m.png
Pikachu
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/a1/Spr_4h_149.png
Dragonite
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/80/Spr_4p_448.png
Lucario

Favorite Gym Leaders:
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/38/VolknerPlatinum.gif
Volkner
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/33/RoarkPlatinum.gif
Roark
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/a/a0/FalknerHGSS.gif
Falkner
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/7b/MortyHGSS.gif
Morty
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/1/11/ClairHGSS.gif
Clair

Favorite Elite Four Members:
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b4/FlintPlatinum.gif
Flint
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/bc/KarenHGSS.gif
Karen

Favorite Champions:
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/51/CynthiaPlatinum.gif
Cynthia
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/65/LanceHGSS.gif
Lance

Favorite Anime Characters:
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5e/Pearlanime.PNG
Barry