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==Previous discussions==

* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 7|Archive 7]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 8|Archive 8]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 9|Archive 9]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 10|Archive 10]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 11|Archive 11]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 12|Archive 12]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 13|Archive 13]]

== Forum Links ==

I've noticed that the forums moved to a new address and because of that, the links to the old forums on the bottom of many pages don't work and clicking on it just leads to the message that says the address was changed to the current one. Shouldn't we fix this and is there anyway that I can help with this? --[[User:Willyh106|Willyh106]] ''([[User talk:Willyh106|Talk]])’’ 14:23, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
:Could you give some examples? We've updated several templates, but it's possible there are some we missed. Also, if there are a group of pages with manual links, it would be useful to know so we can organize for them to be relinked en-mass. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:23, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
::One example I just thought of was the "May Club" link on [[May (anime)|this page]]. It is an old, closed thread, but it worked fine and I was able to look at it without any problems before the forum changed its address. I think I saw more and some more examples I can think of are links like the "Rules" link at the [[Bulbagarden forums]] page itself and also the link to the "AdvanceShipping Nation" on the [[AdvanceShipping]] page too. I think that even if it is a tedious task, if we change all the old BMGf links to the current ones, people will have a more pleasant experience with gathering more info and we'll be able to avoid some possible confusion. Thank you for considering my suggestion. --[[User:Willyh106|Willyh106]] ''([[User talk:Willyh106|Talk]])’’ 17:05, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

== McAfee ==

Whenever I visit the [[Crasher Wake]] page, McAfee gives me a warning that a malicious site is ahead.
No matter how many times I try again, it keeps blocking me. Just the Crasher Wake page, somehow.
Is there anyone who can explain why and tell me if the owner(s) of Bulbapedia can fix it?{{unsigned|Kyleallt}}
:For issues with the site, it's best you use the forums. Specifically, [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/bulbawiki-site-issues-thread.39109/ this thread].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:03, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

== I'm sorry ==

I've just made my account recently and I am so hyped at the idea of contributing to the wiki. I have been most of the time wrong with my edits, additions or any other things. I just wanted to say that I was sorry and that I am just trying to help. I mean no harm to the website or anyone here, you are all awesome! Keep it up! [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 02:20, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
:It's common for users who are starting out to not do well on their first try. I'm pretty sure that you'll get the hang of things after contributing here for awhile. :) [[User:Pattyman|Patty]][[User talk:Pattyman|Man]] 02:23, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

== Need help from a french-native? ==

As the title says, French is my maternal language, so if you guys ever need help for translating or understanding things from French. Let me know! :) [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 19:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

== Unidentified CD ==

Hey guys, I was looking st my Pokémon collection to see if there was anything to add to the wiki, and I found a CD which apparently has no name. It's a Gold and Silver CDROM which includes movies trailers, soundtracks, wallpapers and etc. I have searched in the CD section, and I haven't found it. Any help? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 18:38, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:Is there something on the disc/case? [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 19:02, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
::Appears to be a [http://www.gamespot.com/articles/new-pokmon-promotion/1100-2618846/ pre-order bonus]. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 19:02, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

:::Glik: it doesn't have a disc case, it's a CD sealed on a piece of "cardboard".
:::Abcboy: that seems to be exactly what it is! :o [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 19:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

== Underleveled Pokémon ==

The recent addition from The Hidden Ninja about his lvl 4 Kakuna gave me an idea! :O
What about we create a page that regroups a list of every underleveled Pokémon ever found in the games? That is a pretty interesting thing to me. Knowing that a Pokémon evolves at Lvl X but was seen already evolved at level X - Y is pretty interesting, indeed. What do you guys think? [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 19:45, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
:See [[User:Spriteit/Underleveled_Pokémon]] or [[User:Super_goku/Sandbox/Underleveled_Table]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:39, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

== Massive and enraging grammar issue! ==

I've been editing anime and manga plots tonight, and most of my edits were undone because ''"they contained more grammar mistakes than before."''

Hear me out, when you are talking about a group of person, the subject is 3rd person singular.

Examples:

*Team Rocket ''is'' (NOT ARE) tired. ''It'' (NOT THEY) must rest a bit.
*The group ''searches'' (NOT SEARCH) for a place where ''it'' (NOT THEY) can stay the night.
*Team Rocket ''bumps'' (NOT BUMP) into Red.

Then, as far as I know, it's not the Trainer who uses a move, but the Pokémon itself.

Examples:

*Red sends out Poliwhirl and ''makes him use'' (NOT USES) Water Gun.

Having my hard-worked edits reverted when I know for a fact that I am right, made me legit mad.

I just want to help, so next time, can you either look up why I did this, or just ask me before you undo it all? Thanks. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 06:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:To be frank, expressing your anger like this won't earn you any points. You're welcome to debate the merits of your edits, but try to keep a bit more of a level head about it.
:That said, in most particular, the main page talk page really is not a very appropriate place to raise the question of your personal edits. Use the talk page for a page you were reverted on or use the other person's talk page.
:And I think I'll leave it there. If this is brought up in a more appropriate place, I'd be glad to comment as well as I can. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:18, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

::Me being "mad" (I wasn't really, it was just to illustrate my feeling of demotivation) is not the point I want to talk about, neither is my personal edits. The point is to inform editors about this important yet basic rule of english. The fact that (my) edits got deleted for this reason is just unexplainable. I wrote this on the main page to inform as much people as possible about this so that future edits can be better with a better level of english. [[User:MannedTooth|MannedTooth]] ([[User talk:MannedTooth|talk]]) 07:27, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
:::That's partially opinion. And ''that'' should be hashed out in, again, a more appropriate place.
:::In short: give other people a chance to explain themselves before running off entirely on your own assumptions. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:32, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Grammar such as -Team Rocket ''is'' (NOT ARE) tired. ''It'' (NOT THEY) must rest a bit.-, while technically not incorrect, is highly unnatural. In normal English, when talking about a group of people and their actions, we tend to refer to the people within that group instead of the group as a singular.
-They search- is far more natural than "It searches", as in this case we are referring to a concrete action carried out by the members of the group, and not the group distinct from said members.
Any writing style guide will tell you not to say "it" when referring to a small or undefined group.
With regards to the trainer "using" techniques, either would be acceptable. This is simply a case of whether one wishes to emphasise the will of the trainer or not.--[[User:Montegue|Montegue]] ([[User talk:Montegue|talk]]) 16:10, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

== Generation 7 ==

I just heard two new Pokémon games, Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon, have been confirmed by Nitendo. This will probably be Generation 7, should there be something on Bulbapedia already? [[User:Danny199|Danny199]] ([[User talk:Danny199|talk]]) 17:44, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:We already have this information: [[Pokémon Sun and Moon]] and [[Generation VII]]. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 17:47, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

==Spanish?==

I know that we have a Italian page, but can we add a Spanish? There's a lot of people that speak it, and I think we'd need it.
Honestly, I don't know if you guys will accept this, but I have a lot of friends that speak Spanish and like Pokemon. It's just my opinion, and honestly I think it would we easy to translate.
Anyway, please think about it and give me reason why/ why not to have it, thanks!
[[User:Thorite Gem|Thorite Gem]] ([[User talk:Thorite Gem|talk]]) 22:06, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
:[[Pokéteca|We did]] but they went under as an independent wiki, and came back as a [http://es.poketeca.wikia.com/wiki/Wiki_Pok%C3%A9teca wikia]. The other language wikis, however, are not controlled or even maintained by us. We're just an [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis|alliance]]. [[User:ArcToraphim|Kai]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 23:43, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
::Ah ok, that makes much more sense. Thanks Arc! [[User:Thorite Gem|Thorite Gem]] ([[User talk:Thorite Gem|talk]]) 13:48, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

:::Hello! And what about the WikiDex? http://es.pokemon.wikia.com/wiki/WikiDex Regards! --[[User:Ryo567|Ryo567]] ([[User talk:Ryo567|talk]]) 16:33, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
::::[[WikiDex]] is hosted at wikia so no, but if they became independent then yes they could definitely become a member of [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis]]. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 16:39, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Ohh, okay! Thanks for your quick reply! :) [[User:Ryo567|Ryo567]] ([[User talk:Ryo567|talk]]) 16:43, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

== Pronounciation ==

Because Pokemon has officially revealed the pronounciations with the Deluxe Pokemon Handbook, could we put official pronounciation as a part of pages to calm down the rabid fanbase? {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}
:There are cases where different official sources have used differing pronunciations. That sort of problem is a big reason we're not likely to be putting pronunciations on Pokemon pages. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:23, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
::The reason I ask is because it's the MOST RECENT pronounciation that they've confirmed. The only change was Arceus, and they established why they changed that one. [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 14:09, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

== Improve for mobile users! ==

I use my iPad more than my laptop and the interface for the wiki seems fit for computers rather than mobile devices. That got me thinking, maybe you guys should try developing an app for mobile users! The editing and browsing could be easier! Just a suggestion.--[[User:Grass4Lyfe|Grass4Lyfe]] ([[User talk:Grass4Lyfe|talk]]) 06:35, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

== Set up donations ==

Bulbapedia, you need to set up some sort of donations button and put it on the sidebar of the site, to cut back on the sheer number of ads--any page I try to load takes up to 2 minutes to load and it lags out my computer. Other wikis like TFWiki.net have a donations bar, and in that case, anyone who really wants to support this site will donate to help keep it afloat--you can still keep ads to make an assured revenue, but cut it down severely. There's like 10 ads on a single page, that's crazy.

Please consider what I'm saying if you haven't already. If you do already have donations, please also put it on the sidebar. There is no shame in asking for donations to help this beautiful website. [[User:Titanollante|Titanollante]] ([[User talk:Titanollante|talk]]) 04:46, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
:If you have a Bulbapedia account and stay logged in, you won't see any ads. It's not a perfect solution, but it might help you if the staff don't follow your suggestion. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:13, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

== Type specific items ==

An idea for an area in the types page, for example Flame plate in the fire type.--Pokemonfansuper 13:33, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== "?????" and other links redirecting to here ==

I've noticed that if I try to go to a page by editing the link, some "pages", like "?????" and "??????????" redirect here. Why does that happen? --[[User:Aaay|Aaay]] ''([[User talk:Aaay|TalK]])'' 07:53, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I think I might know what's happening: Having a question mark in the title of a page means that everything after the question mark is data that should be sent to the page. So, in this case, it's saying "go to the link http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/" (that is the main page) "and give the website the information ????", and that information is not used. {{unsigned|Aaay}}
:Yeah, that's what would be happening. However, this should only occur if you directly modify the URL; wiki links such as [[?????]] and [[??????????]] go to the correct pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:55, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

== What does this mean? ==

I found this:
{| style="background:#{{bulba color}}; border:solid 3px #{{bulba color dark}}; {{roundy|100px}} margin: auto; width: auto;"
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What does it mean? you can't find ads in the chat log!

Also, this is what it looks like in the code:

<nowiki>{| style="background:#{{bulba color}}; border:solid 3px #{{bulba color dark}}; {{roundy|100px}} margin: auto; width: auto;"
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| style="background:#{{bulba color light}}; {{roundy|100px}}" | [[File:001Bulbasaur.png|100px]]
| style="text-align: center;" | <big>'''NOTICE!'''</big> If you were given a disruptive, disturbing, or not child-friendly ad, '''PLEASE DO NOT POST IT HERE!''' Instead, please go to [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/bad-ad-reporting-thread.29680/ this thread] and follow the directions there!
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[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 17:36, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:It means if you have a bad ad, don't post it here, post it in the forum thread linked in the template... Seems pretty self explanatory to me. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 17:43, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

:Yes but you're not supposed to post any ads here anyway. [[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 17:52, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
::Bulbapedia has adverts. If any adverts are bad, don't post about them here, post about them in the forum. It's pretty damn clear in the text what it's saying. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:00, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:::It might be clear to you but not to others so try not to be rude about it. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 20:31, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
::::I turned AdBlock off but there are still no ads here. [[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 21:03, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

== Final battle page ==

This is a kind of proposition for a page. I don't know whether it should be a page or not so I'm posting my idea here to see if it's okay or not.

My idea is to make a "Final battle" page, basically a page that details the battle required to enter the hall of fame/see the credits. I know this sounds a lot like the Champion page but my idea was it would be more gameplay-focused and it would have some different people.

It could have the teams of the champions, both the initial battle and if there is a rematch, the rematch team. For the Black and White section it would have Ghetsis for the initial battle and Alder for the rematch team. For Sun and Moon it would have Kukui for the initial teams and all the other possible position keeping teams for the rematch.

Is this an idea that would fit the wiki? Should I start making this? ----[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 18:02, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Bulbapedia talk:Project Merchandise

2017-01-02T18:17:21Z

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==Proposal==
I realise this project is highly inactive, and I personally don't have the knowledge to advance it BUT it would make sense to rebrand it as "Project Merchandise" because [[:Category:Merchandise|some]] [[Heinz Pokémon Pasta|stuff]] is out on a limb here. Are there going to be any overwhelming "no"'s? Or perhaps you have a better idea. I want to hear it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
:I was sorta thinking the same thing the other day. Not quite all of the random merchandise is quite considered "toys"... like the board games 'n' stuff. I'm not on this project either (:P) but I would support a name change. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 21:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well, this is more inactive than the Project itself. Let's just get on with it.
::Oh, and this is going to incorporate the wannabe-Project Books. So all you bibliophiles get on over here ;) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:41, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Just wondering, are stubs supposed to get the Project Merchandise notice? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 21:51, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Yeah. They're still articles under the Project. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:04, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Champion Island ==

Is there any need for an article on the Pokémon Champion Island Board Game?--[[User:GreenGyarados|♫Green]][[Gyarados (Pokémon)|♫ギャラドス♫]][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|Talk♫]] 03:03, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:Of course. Check we don't have it first; there are a few articles on board games already but I'm not sure if we have that specific one. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:06, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
::I couldn't find anything on it...--[[User:GreenGyarados|♫Green]][[Gyarados (Pokémon)|♫ギャラドス♫]][[User Talk:GreenGyarados|Talk♫]] 03:08, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Go for it then. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:35, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

== Books ==

Should appearances in books like Talent Showdown and Race to Danger be included in the Pokémon's pages. I'm asking this because {{Gary}} had a Blastoise, Charizard, and Venusaur in Talent Showdown which was well before ''[[EP269|The Ties That Bind]]''. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 00:58, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:That might be worth a trivia note. Like "In the chapter book ''[[Race to Danger]]'', an original story based on the anime, {{Gary}} was shown as having a Venusaur etc" [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:01, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::If I remember correctly, he also had a Rhydon, an Exeggutor, and an Alakazam.-- '''[[Steel (type)|Iron]]''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 01:01, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::We could just put on the [[Talent Showdown]] article and the [[Race to Danger]] article. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 01:12, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

== To-do list ==

Is it okay if I merge the two to-do lists together into "Bulbapedia:Project Merchandise/to-do list" so things that fall under this project that aren't toys or books can be included? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:13, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

== Steph's Somewhat Awkwardly-formatted Question ==

I have (or have available to me) several Pokémon Reader books. They are small, big-colorful-picture-laden books that are not quite chapter books and are published by Scholastic and adapted by Tracey West. As far as I know of, there are not articles for them or even a list of their titles. Should one be made or is there a list provided that I may have missed? Additionally, I am aware that my 'signature' or similar concept is in incorrect formatting. User: Steph, November 16
:For your signature, just put this:<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. For those books, are they like [[I Choose You!|this]] or [[Secret of the Pink Pokémon|this]]? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Turtwig A. You are helpful and I am rather grateful to you for extensively editing my first (if rather lengthy, which I do not know if it is a good or bad thing) article, an animé synopsis. Returning back on topic, well, no. Neither of them are like those---I know, for I have a collection of the series, including those particular titles. There are actually several Pokemon Reader books (or should I say booklets, for length?), and I happen to possess--oh, perhaps three. There are actually other titles, Diamond and Pearl ones, released by Scholastic (via school order) recently. Since they are a fairly prominent (if somewhat obscure) piece of literature merchandise, it would make sense to make an article about them. As for my other book, The Complete Pokémon Pocket Guide (Book 2), I think it is a one-off. Oddly, the sub-title on the front page says 'Viz Kids edition', and I am somewhat surprised as I thought Viz had jettisoned Pokémon. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 03:37, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
:There is an article on [[The Complete Pokémon Pocket Guide]] series. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 03:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I was just about to address that matter, seeing that the article was already there, but you do type quickly. Is any further information needed for that article, such as a blurb, or can we presume that it is complete? Additionally, some of the statements in the entries in the book are not verified by game Pokédex entries or other media, such as the statement that Infernape's flames cannot be extinguished as long as it is alive. Is it correct to presume that the information presented is suitable for inclusion into species pages, or is it not official enough to do so? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Steph}} ([[User talk:Steph|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Steph|contribs]]) ''
:The article is far from complete. It would be great if you would add a blurb and also put that information on that page. Though I can't say if it can go on the species page as that is a question for {{bp|administrators|the admins}}. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 03:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I have added the blurb and trivia (honestly? Swampert, at a measly 14.3 pounds, can tow a large ship? It could hardly tow a canoe like that!). I shall further analyze the entries in it to determine if the information actually differs much beyond rewording to dignify consulting the administrators.[[User:Steph|Steph]] 04:17, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

== Should ==

the episodes which books are based on be in the episode articles? Like on the [[EP001]] page, we would put "The book ''[[I Choose You!]] is based on this episode. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I think that would make sense, as long as it is in a streamlined manner. Perhaps in the Trivia Section (at the bottom of the section of the episode) it could be listed that a book involves its events. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 01:33, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
:Exactly where I think we should put it. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:34, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
::If you haven't done that yet, go for it. (Also, Steph: you can indent your comment by putting a colon (:) in front of it. That makes it easier to read, so please do it) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:09, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
:How about this? To not make this comment completely pointless, I will state that I shall try adding a link to the episode page to the book page, if not done so alrady. Also, I have recently been working on making the Synopsis to Prize Pokémon. As I take a long time to make synopsises, I am only on the Grin to Win portion currently. No wonder synopsises are lacking on Bulbapedia, they are long, tedious, and not nearly as fun to type as other kinds of edits and contributions. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Steph}} ([[User talk:Steph|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Steph|contribs]]) ''
::You could always put {{template|Inuse}} on it and make several edits. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:32, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Just wondering, should it be on pages which have the same name as the book too? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 03:38, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Example? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:09, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::{{book|Island of the Giant Pokémon}}. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 12:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
:I'm still not entirely sure what you mean. I think that, yes, it should be said on the [[EP017]] article that "a section of the book ''Island of the Giant Pokémon'' was based on this episode." If you're asking if we should note that the two texts share the same name, then that's fairly obvious, isn't it? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon playing cards ==

should there be an article on the Pokémon playing cards? They are different from the Trading Cards and I think there are only cards for Generation I Pokémon. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
:Also, there are three decks that I know of, one red, one blue, and one green. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:34, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
::Such a typical colorscheme. Go for it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:19, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
:::OMG there's a green one too? XD I have the blue and red ones, I can help with an article. Has one even been made yet? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 03:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I made one [[Pokémon playing cards|here]]. And yes, there is a green one. It is the one which has {{p|Mewtwo}}. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 03:16, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

== New article ==

I've started a new article, [[Pokémon annual]]. Any help with improving it would be greatly appreciated! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 12:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Sticker Collection ==

should the Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Sticker Collection (ISBN ) get an article? It has categorizes Pokémon according to their type, and also tells what the types are strong and weak against. The book also tells the Pokémon's height and weight. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
:Should it? - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Turtwig A}} ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) ''
::New rule for this project: if in doubt, create the page anyway. If it can be determined afterwards to be non-notable, then we'll delete it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

== Board games ==

would board games fall under the toys to-do list? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:32, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
:Yep. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:25, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

== creating new article ==

I know that the message said that if in doubt, I should create the page anyway. But since this is a very special case, should Pokémon merchandise itself get an article? It seems very notable, as that's what the game cartridges, TCG cards, and TFG figures basically fall under (I mean that they are types of merchandise). I've started something in [[User:Turtwig A/Pokémon merchandise|this userpage]], if anyone's interested. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:56, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

: Yes!!! There is not enough info on this. I would really like to see more. Your article on your page is good to!! [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 03:14, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::Wow. Amazing job, Turtwig A (and those who collaborated). I've moved it to the mainspace. Keep working on it though. Now that's it's mainspaced more people should see it and help. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:27, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

==Upcoming HG/SS Game Guides==
One thing I would like to inform this project about in regards to the game guides for HeartGold and SoulSilver is that Prima Games will be releasing two guides in the same fashion as they had with Diamond and Pearl. Pretty much just like before it will be the general walkthrough followed with the book containing the individual Pokémon details. Also I should point out is that that I confirmed these facts with both the official website and Amazon where here are the official links for [http://www.primagames.com/guides/display.php?isbn=9780307468048 Book 1] and [http://www.primagames.com/guides/display.php?isbn=9780307468055 Book 2] and note the second book will be released on April 20th. Only the official cover for the first book is available at their website. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 02:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

== inconsistency ==

{{u|Steph}} has recently noticed the inconsistency between the opening paragraphs of the book articles. There are around 5 different phrases for each one, so which one should be used? [[I Choose You!]], [[Splashdown in Cerulean City]] and [[Ash Ketchum, Pokémon Detective]] are some examples of these differences. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:15, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

:Speaking of books, Turtwig A has also noted that authors should have their own category, considering that, since there is eleven of them, they would compose almost half of the people category. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 18:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::I'll get on the category ASAP. There's enough authors that it wouldn't be redundant. I also agree that the book opening blurb is really inconsistent, there's practically one for each editor. I personally like the [[Ash Ketchum, Pokémon Detective]] blurb best. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:19, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Should a vote be taken? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 03:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Another thing, what about the notability rules of authors or publishers? I think that authors should get an article if they've written more than 2 books. I think publishers that published more than 4 books should get an article. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 03:25, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I would agree with you, Turtwig A. Additionally, perhaps a standard for author pages should be made? (Intro-Bibliography-Tags, at the least) I have added Bibliography sections to Author articles--as to be more official, like the well-developed author article for Tracey West--so, I was wondering if an official standard for author pages should be made, if needed. Then again, as Tracey West's article is exemplary, this could be used as a standard, but I was wondering about the proper way to format those articles.
:::Also, since page number seems to be relevant, should the inclusion of a book's page number be limited only to the Pokémon anime novelization series, or should it be included to other series as well? (such as Pokémon Reader and Pokémon Jr.) [[User:Steph|Steph]] 03:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, let's take all of this step by step. Let's vote on how a book article should be opened. [[I Choose You!|1]], [[Splashdown in Cerulean City|2]], or [[Ash Ketchum, Pokémon Detective|3]]. I'll have my vote later--haven't decided which one I prefer yet. It's now midnight for me, so the vote is officially open until midnight tomorrow. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 03:30, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I think I shall vote for opening 1 (the one for ''I Choose You!'') as I think it is the most comparatively fluid approach (it uses a comma) to the information. Were we meant to take votes on this page, or otherwise? [[User:Steph|Steph]] 03:44, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
::::There is also a [[Thundershock in Pummelo Stadium|4]]. I'll vote for 2. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, Steph, this page. Also, yeah, include #4 in the vote. {{tt|#2 would be my vote, but I think the last two sentences should be combined.|Not my official vote yet.}} [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh, I like #4 the best, personally. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:15, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I prefer the Splashdown one. #2. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 23:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Ok, I vote for #2, but we'll combine the last two sentences. To make it flow better. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 01:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::#2 wins in a fair vote. Is everyone fine with combining the last two sentences? [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 04:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I would be fine with combining the last two sentences---commas are admirable (the reason for my original vote, as my vote's paragraph possessed commas---I was not aware there were apparently alternatives to add commas there).

::::::::As for the To-do List, book-wise, for Project Merchandise: Should the inclusion of a book's page number be limited only to the Pokémon anime novelization series, or should it be included in other series as well? Although the answer will probably be yes, should it be limited to (this is using some disembodied logic here...) ''fiction'' Pokémon books? (Chapter books) [[User:Steph|Steph]] 04:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I think that every book, fiction or not, should have the page count included in its article. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 20:15, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Should there be a vote, or can it be presumed that your opinion has decided the matter and I should thus work on adding page counts? [[User:Steph|Steph]] 21:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
(resetting indent) I believe it is relevant. Let's say that one wants to read a short Pokémon book. They look at the article of book Y and see that it is X pages long, which is shorter than the rest. They now know that that is the book they want to read. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well, that's three who want it. That's enough for me to give it the green light. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 21:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
::Who is going to change them now that it has been decided? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:22, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I shall try adding page counts to the articles for the books in my possession. Zesty Cactus may also be able to help. (for the first non-anime novelization series book I have added a page count to, check The Complete Pokémon Pocket Guide) [[User:Steph|Steph]] 23:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Since no one answered, I'll go do it myself soon. Anyways, what will the next step be? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:26, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::I can add page counts to some of the randomer books that I've added. As for what's next, {{u|Mudkipluvr4ever}} pointed out that the blurb is before the summary in some chapter book articles and after the summary in others. So we should pick one and stick with it. ^^' I vote for "before summary", idk what you folks think. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 23:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I was just about to mention the matter of the blurbs, actually, although I would also state that some blurbs for books are not italicized (so should proper formatting for blurb placement be made?) I agree with you, Zesty Cactus, in that I would think the blurbs should be before the synopsises. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 23:41, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Blurbs should be italicised because they're direct quotes from the backs of the books. If you see a blurb that isn't italicised, please italicise it. ;) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 23:44, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::I vote above. It'll give a plot without spoilers, so one doesn't have to go look at the synopsis and realize later that there was a blurb. There should also have line breaks where they are in the back of the book if they are direct quotes. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Want me to change them to above? I can if you want. Anyways, thinks for clearing that up, it was confusing me. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 00:27, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Not the placement yet. Everything else is okay. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:40, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I vote above. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:46, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::I think we all want the blurb to go above, so is it decided yet? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
== Danone Pokémon Cards ==

Anyone Canadian here ever seen those Pokémon cards distributed with Danone yogurt products back in 2000?
They were a set of 40, and it featured some Pokémon and with tips on the back for Pokémon Stadium.
I just recently dug up a collection of those cards, although I don't have all of them. Would this warrant an article, as I'm not sure if this counts as "merchandise". I could scan the cards I have if so. Also, this website has the full collection if no has an idea of what I'm talking about: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pokemon-paradijs.com%2Fverzamelkaarten%2Fdanone.php&sl=nl&tl=en —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 22:07, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:I think it is notable. It would probably fall under merchandise as the other Pokémon things packaged with food are in the project. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, they're fine for an article. I'd much rather you scan them rather than use images from another site. All of them would be great, or you can do just a few or one. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 22:56, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Hey, I have those! Anyways, we have [[Pokémon Game Tip Cards (Black Diamond)]] and [[Pokémon Game Tip Cards (Kellogg)]] so I don't see why not. I can help out with some scans as well if anyone wants me to, 'cuz I have maybe 10 of these? :D --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 23:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

::::That's great, I also have only 10 of the cards in the collection (Danone #s): 2, 3, 6, 11, 12, 14, 25, 29, 32, 33. I could probably scan these in, probably in the next few days. As for the article, there's some information I don't have so I could use help with that too. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 00:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Cool, just start up an article somewhere (stub or userspace) and I can throw in my $0.02 as well. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::: Here you go: [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Danone_Pokemon_Tip_Cards]] Thank you! —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 03:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::K I added what I've got and expanded your blurb a little. :) One other thing though - I have two shiny cards that are different and have numbers "1/8" (Venusaur) and "7/8" (Pikachu). What do we do about those? Make a seperate chart? Do we have any idea what the other six are? --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 03:34, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::::: Thanks! Yeah those "special" cards could probably use a separate chart. The website I listed in the References has the full list, including the extra 8. If you're uploading them, you should probably name them a little differently, "Danone Shiny ___.jpg" or something like that. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 04:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::K I added what I've got. There's a comic shop I know near my place which has really random Pokémon stuff, they might have a few more of these (I bought the shiny Pikachu there once) so I'll try and swing by there in the next couple days just to see if he's got any more XD --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 23:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::I've finished scanning and uploading whatever I had. We're still missing quite a few cards, hopefully someone else can scan them in. Thanks to those who helped. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 21:28, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think this is good enough for the mainspace. We've got all the info, we're just missing some scans. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:24, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::Go for it, but we can't have empty image links. Use <nowiki>Image:Noimage.gif</nowiki>. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 06:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== All-Stars ==

I've had [[User:Virtual-Z/Pokémon All-Stars|this]] for a while. However, I need a way to integrate the box art and release dates in there. I have all of the images on my computer already, as well as the release dates. Any ideas? [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 04:48, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:Jeez, it got made?? All my work...-_-' [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 04:50, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
::It was featured on the main page as a "currently needed article" and some guy made like, a one sentence article so I made my own because I had no idea you had started yours first. :S sorry? XD --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Haha, it's no problem of course. I saw it there on the front page all the time, and I was always worried that someone WOULD make it. Sure enough they did! [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 15:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon Macaroni ==
Is there an article on the old and current Pokémon Macaroni and Cheese by Kraft? [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 18:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

:No, there would not be one. Unless there is three versions of Kraft Pokémon Macaroni, there seems no reason to make an article connecting all of them. The only Pokémon Macaroni article there is on Bulbapedia now would be the Diamond and Pearl kind, and although I do remember the Johto Pokémon Macaroni, I do not possess the box. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 20:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::By looking through yahoo images, I found what I think is a Kanto one, with one featuring Squirtle. These three version imply that there may be a Hoenn one. I also found Pokémon popsicles and waffles. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:36, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Considering how many foods there apparently are with Pokémon packaging, should an article be made for it, in the fashion of your Pokémon merchandise article? [[User:Steph|Steph]] 20:46, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Maybe a template to list them all? I don't know how much information one can put about them in one article; why don't you try making an article about it in your userspace? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::You are right. A template for Pokémon (-themed) food would make more sense than an entire article. Perhaps this should be the way the matter proceeds. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 20:54, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Am I the only person who had ''[http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/28763707/homepage/name/100374?type=sn these]'' before in my childhood? :) I remember back in the hayday we had ''[http://www.x-entertainment.com/updates/pics/pokemonpasta1.jpg Pokémon pasta shapes]'', birthday cakes, gum... do you really think it'd be possible to cover them all considering most went off the shelves over 10 years ago? Maybe you'd have to stick to the products there's already a lot of information on --'''[[user:Emp|Emp]], out''' 21:00, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::There's already a pasta article [[Heinz Pokémon Canned Pasta in Tomato Sauce]]. We try to make articles for as many as possible. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::I suppose if a template is to be made for Pokémon (-themed) food articles, there should be a standard for such. Additionally, since the article for Pokémon All-Stars has been made....I possess a video cassette (or rather its casing...) for a trio of episodes labeled under the 'High Voltage Collection'. Should an article for the 'High Voltage Collection' for the series of these Pokémon video cassettes be made? (since this would be nonstandard merchandise, it has been claimed to be advisable to discuss on the Project Merchandise talk page, as this would be). [[User:Steph|Steph]] 21:12, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not really sure. It's 10% merchandise and 90% anime. The all stars is part of two projects. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, I personally would put it more as 50/50. I`m also all for any Pokemon food article. You can check my userpage; I`ve already made several. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 01:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon Memory ==
Okay, i also cannot find an article for Pokémon Memory. Would you like me to make one? [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 06:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:The board game? As long as you mean the physical one and not the virtual one. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 15:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, it is the Board Game. There is no article on it right? If not, I will make it. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 21:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't think there is. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::There's not. Go for it. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 21:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== series ==

I have recently noticed that series pages are usually lacking in information. Because of this, I have made an [[User:Turtwig A/SeriesInfobox|info box for series]]. It will add some more information to the page and make it more appealing. I was wondering if it is good or if anything else should be added. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think it's overly necessary but the final word should go to the Project Leader and active members of the Project. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:39, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::As I would be an active member of the Project...I suppose it would make the pages more standard and appealing, although since series pages have not been done before, obviously it would be a tentative approach. Additionally, we are not sure if, how, or the specifics as detailed in such a 'series standard' should be made. But, the fact Project Merchandise implements standards to such an extent does appeal to me. I perceive it as making the articles in Project Merchandise more....proper, official. Making a series infobox might not seem overly necessary, and info boxes seem to not always be needed, but if the information it encompasses can be found or is deemed important enough, it should be implemented. Besides, if it does not work, it can always be removed. In short....I would be inclined for it to be implemented, with the consideration that it will probably not hinder the quality of articles it is in. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 16:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I like the idea. I'm all for inxoboxes. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 17:36, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::::So should it be moved? For the picture, I think it should be the first book, the last book, or the most known in the fandom.[[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Hm, I don't think the most popular one should be there. I think the first one. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 12:23, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::The first one does seem better as it is usually the first book read, although these books can be read in random orders. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 12:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Either way I think it should be the first one of the series. How would one be deemed the most popular, anyway? [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 18:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::I agree with Z. (cannot bring myself to say Virtual-Z, as I preferred the name Porygon-Z) Since a method to determine the most popular book in the series would be unreliable and probably unprofessional, having the first book in the series featured would make the most sense. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 15:57, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::(Old, but I didn't want to start a new topic) I forgot about the template for a while, but I think it is still agreed that the first book would be the image. The link is still above. Anything else needed to be added? [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:17, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== Become A Pokemon Trainer ==

[http://www.amazon.ca/Become-Pokemon-Trainer-Michael-Teitelbaum/dp/0756644801/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266638544&sr=8-1 Is this it?] Maybe they have the image wrong. Anyone know for sure? [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 04:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:This section is five months old, but that is the book. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:32, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

== Beckett Unoficial Guide To Pokémon 2008 Price Guide ==

Is there an article for this book? If not should I create it and where would I categorize it? I looked around for it and couldn't find anything? [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 05:13, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:[[Beckett Pokémon Unofficial Collector|This?]] [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 05:19, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::No, mine is an actual book with info on every Pokémon through the first four generations. It has a purple cover. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 05:22, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm thinking yes for an article, then. How many other years have this guide, though? Hm...[[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 06:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't know. It is the only one i got. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 06:55, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Ok, well, why don't you make the article at [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever/Beckett]], and I'll check it out tomorrow as well as check out other years. Bed time for now. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 06:58, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Okay i started it. Not done but good enough for now. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 20:36, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Is this good enough for an article [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever/Beckett]]? I can't figure out what else to add. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 03:07, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Yep, nice job! I moved it. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 03:47, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon Diamond and Pearl....Toothbrush ==

With it being a nonstandard (non-toy, non-book, non food packaging) piece of Merchandise, I ask if I would be able to make an article for ''Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Toothbrush'' (since I cannot determine a more befitting title for it), which is an item I have in my possession. I am reluctant to start it as a userspace article, since my High Voltage Collection userspace article has not being going as well as I planned. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 15:57, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
:I have it too, and I think it's good enough for a page... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 15:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
::Perhaps an article for all {{tt|tooth-related products|Lol}}? There's many toothbrushes and pastes around that are Pokemon-themed. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:42, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:(It is a happy day for Project Merchandise to know that there is such a thing as Pokémon-themed tootpaste to encompass.) Perhaps the article "Pokemon dental products/merchandise" (which would encompass both toothbrushes and toothpaste, since it might not be nessecary to have individual articles for both) should be made? ("Dental" sounds more professional than "tooth-related" to me) [[User:Steph|Steph]] 19:51, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
::Oh yes, dental of course, I didn't mean to actually title the article "tooth-related". I say go for it under [[Pokémon dental products]]. Even if all you can add is the one toothbrush that you have, I'm sure other people will add more sections. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 11:46, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Er, Z....I made the article, and no person but me has added to it so far. Perhaps you could help? [[User:Steph|Steph]] 14:27, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Of course. [http://cgi.ebay.ph/POKEMON-PIKACHU-Toothbrush-Toothpaste-SET-Colgate-NEW_W0QQitemZ390160016613QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad75964e5 Do you think this is real?] Looks legit, but the Pokemon text being red makes me weary. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 02:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::The red text logo is used in the manga published by Chuang Yi. So I believe it's legit. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 03:00, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I knew the but about the manga, but was still sceptical. However, I shortly after found that toothbrush on Amazon, so all is well :). [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 03:12, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::I have searched for other Pokémon toothpastes and toothbrushes (and mouthwash and dental floss) listed online, and have been unable to find merchandise not already encompassed in the Pokémon dental products article. So, unless someone finds Pokémon dental products not listed on the sources I have checked, I infer that progression to another list-article---soon as Z arranges things on it---can commence. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 01:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== References in book articles ==

Where do you think they should be put? Usually, a website gets referenced once, and covers everything else that would need to be referenced. So do you think that this one reference should go by page number, release date, or what? [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:02, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:I think it should go by release date, since in the infobox, that's the first thing that appears after the ISBN. Also, since the opening description seems to vary a bit, it will help keep the format and layout consistent if it's placed by the date. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Notability standards ==

So, ummm... Wow. Pencils. Umm... Seriously? And toothbrushes? Pasta and pop-tarts and jelly, oh my! Guys, I'm perfectly fine with ''having'' all of this info, but... Shouldn't we put it on big lists with sections instead of giving every damn gift card with a Pokémon figure it's own page? --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:20, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, I agree with that reasoning. Perhaps nonstandard merchandise should be put in a list-with-sections arrangement, like Pokémon dental products (or otherwise, if you have other ideas). I do hope that my agreeing with your statement does not invoke your aggravation, ElectAbuzzzz. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 14:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, most of the pages are "This thing exists." They should all be comprised into a list: it seems a lot more appropriate, especially since, if I remember correctly, Archaic doesn't like references (all the individual pages have unnecessary references that would not be needed in a list format.) ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 15:33, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I disagree. It would be more efficient, but there is SO much merchandise. The page would be way too big{{tt|.|FUCKKK}} [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 22:39, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
::How about different 'list-articles' for different kinds of Pokémon merchandise? Splitting the nonstandard merchandise into multiple, different pages might be easier to implement. For example: ''Pokémon Cosmetics'' (lipstick, chapstick, jewelry), ''Pokémon clothing'' (shoes, a subsection on 'Ash's hat', shirts) ''Pokémon/-themed foods'' (an overview article, which may or may not be necessary, encompassing the fairly well-developed Pokémon-themed food articles) Pokémon party sets/supplies (Party Express's catalog is known to list this), etc.? Lists may be efficient, but considering how....vehemently you differ, Z, an alternative means of organization may need to be found. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 01:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Z, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl No. 2 Pencils|this]] is not an article. It's a sentence. You think one page on all merchandise will be too big? Fine, let's do Steph's idea. Group them up. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 15:26, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm not totally against the idea of grouping. I just think it will be very difficult to come up with the article names in which things will be placed. Some fit more than one. And, like I said, the pages will all be huge. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 15:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::You are quite right, Z---I am just not able to conjure an alternative that would please both persons---ElectAbuzzzz, who becomes....righteously furious when people apparently put quantity before quality, and you, who knows the facts (not that I would imply ElectAbuzzzz does not know the facts, but it is true that Z participates more in Project Merchandise) of Project Merchandise and infers that, however grouped, such articles or list articles encompassing items not notable enough for individual articles will be big, unwieldy and flawed, and generally not the most practical or optimal. Yes, it will be difficult--we may have to consider all miscellany of nonstandard Merchandise articles, which would certainly take some time, and because some items fit more than one it may need....some originally-designed categorization. Perhaps a prototype could be in a sandbox first? [[User:Steph|Steph]] 16:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I guess we can ''try'' that. Time for me to work right now, though. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 17:42, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::I seriously have been thinking about this, but I can not come up with anything else that we do not currently have in place. I would most likely be ok with making a big article for everything similar, such as [[Pokémon dental products]], but the size is what gets me. Pokemon is HUGE. I mean, imagine the FOOD article? The SCHOOL SUPPLIES article? Dental supplies is fine, because I doubt there is ALOT which exists. Quite a few items, yes, but nothing that would make you think "hm, this article is TOO big." [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::::You are correct, Z. If an article for food merchandise is made, it would indeed be huge. Not that I intend it to be a list article like ''Pokémon dental products'', but rather an 'overview of the group'-type article, like the 'Pokémon merchandise' article. That is, it does not list all the foods, but rather details information about the group instead of its components. (For example: if it could be found what the first Pokémon-themed food was, it may be worth listing there like the number-of-Pokémon-merchandise bit in the Pokémon merchandise article)
::::For the time being, it would be best to focus on adding information to and improving the ''Pokémon dental products'' article, so it can set as an example and standard for the further, proposed 'list-page' article series or otherwise stand comprehensively on its own. Additionally...thank you for adding the picture to the toothpaste section there, that makes it much more standardized.[[User:Steph|Steph]] 19:45, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::I don't really think an article about school supplies will be THAT big. We definitely have much bigger pages. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 19:46, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh man, we could write an article for school supplies based on everything in my grade 2 classroom and it would be huge. Seriously. And actually, Steph, I ''would'' like the food article, and any generalized-merchandise article for that matter, to be list style. I'd like every individual piece of merchandise to be documented. If we have to, I will make these big generalized articles, but I'd want them list style. '''I''' don't have a problem with them being so big, but I imagine some people might. As long as it's neat, I'm good. The dental products one is shaping up nicely; it's all in the same style, and divided well. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I hope you don't mind me butting in. Some of the articles do seem to have enough information to stand on their own so perhaps the lists would contain all pages that are only "this exists" and then all other products with more detailed articles in that type would have a heading on the list which contains only one or two sentences and a link saying "See Main article for more information". Then all the little articles are combined and any that get too detailed can be split off. Anyway that's my 2 cents. Refunds available.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 20:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::In response to Z: You are the professional, Z. Thus, it should continue in the manner you plan. (documenting every piece in list format)
:::::: With a summarization of the consummate ideas proposed, the arrangement for these list-articles would consist of an introduction (which could be improved, especially since the terms 'this is a page' seem unprofessional now that it is a real article), sections (the sections in ''Pokémon dental products'' are Toothbrush and Toothpaste, etc.), the products themselves, with mentions on the producing companies, the Pokémon featured on the packaging and product, differentiating details between multiple versions, (if there are multiple versions of the same kind), features, and references. In the case that there is actually enough details for a specific product to be considered a seperate article, I support Beligaronia's idea. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 20:21, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Reading this through, I'm also in agreement with Bel. This is like what we did for the anime Pokémon articles, I think, and that worked well. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:53, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, I agree too. I'm going to make a list of all the articles which we could make that I can think of, and I'll post it by the end of the week. Until then, continue to make articles and edits for this project as you normally would. Hopefully there will be a good few new articles which can be formed into larger pages. I myself made about 20 bookmarks this afternoon of new articles to make. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 22:03, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Wait, if we would have all these lists, would there be a list of lists or at least a template for navigation? [[User:Turtwig A|ナエトル]] [[Zoroark (Pokémon)|A]] [[Torterra (Pokémon)|or]] [[Turtwig|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] and my [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contributions]] 01:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::They'd all be in the [[:Category:Merchandise|merchandise]] category. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 01:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
(resetting indent)I 100% support list articles when appropriate. I definitely think the pencils and stuff should be made into one big article, maybe like "Pokémon School Supplies" or "Pokémon Stationery" or w/e. As for the foodstuffs, I think we should make a list article, but link to the main article for pages that actually have some content/development. Similar to what's been suggested for shippings. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:Okay. If we call it "Pokémon stationery", we can include stuff like [[Pokémon Collector's Series 1 Valentine's Day Cards & Envelopes|this]] as well. We can make redirects for "Pokémon pencils" and what not. As for the food, I'd like to start a page, but I don't know what to call it. [[Pokémon food]] is taken... --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, we can probably start a food one now, since we already have many articles on food. However, we'd need subcategories on the page, much like dental products has toothpaste and toothbrushes. [[Pokémon-themed food]], probably. Or [[Pokémon food products]]. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 02:46, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Ideas on subcategories for Pokémon food products: Candies/treats (mostly encompassing lollipops, but would, in the 'treats' context, encompass the Popsicles), Breakfast Items (cereal, Pop-tarts) Dinners (macaroni, pasta), Condiments (Parmesan, Ketchup). [[User:Steph|Steph]] 03:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Nice, I like them. I was thinking of the whole meal thing. You wanna change it? Or will I? [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 03:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Not quite sure what you mean by 'the whole meal thing'. But, if you mean replacing my proposed 'dinners' section with 'meals', then, yes, that does make more sense. Macaroni is not necessarily a dinner item, the word was only featured on the product's official title. So, yes....if you mean it that way, you could change it. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 03:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
::::No no, I meant the way you said they should be sorted into breakfast and dinner. I was thinking that, too. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 03:46, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:::You could do that---making 'Meals' a section, and 'Breakfast' and 'Dinner' sub-sections. Although, if the differentiation between them is deemed unneeded, the two could be merged entirely within 'Meals'. Additionally, excellent work on that article (I did not check Recent Changes whilst you were adding to it). I have also found a link to another Pokémon-themed Popsicle product (that is not already encompassed in the article) however, although the picture for the packaging is in English, the words throughout the link are in a foreign language. It is a Pikachu-shaped Popsicle, described as 'Strawberry Lemon Ice with Candy'. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 03:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
::::You sure it's not talking about the Pikachu variation of the popsicle we already have? They are strawberry and lemon, too. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 03:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:::That would probably be it, except for the fact I notice the stock art on the product is too modern to be released at that time (the Pikachu image has chin shading). Since the page actually only details a Pikachu-themed sticker, which was probably included in the box, more information will be needed about the product itself before it is detailed and described in the article. In case you want to find out information about it yourself, the product was described: POPSICLE GOOD HUMOUR ICE CREAM STICKER POKEMON PIKACHU. The title may have been translated, so the official English title should be searched for first. So, until then...perhaps it should be put on the To-do list for Project Merchandise? [[User:Steph|Steph]] 04:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Do you have the foreign language link? I might be able to work with that. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 04:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
::: This might work. <http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/POPSICLE-GOOD-HUMOR-ICE-CREAM-STICKER-POKEMON-PIKACHU_W0QQitemZ200303768109QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item200303768109> (if the link could best be compressed into the word 'this', or requires editing for proper Bulbapedia formatting, you have my permission to alter its formatting) [[User:Steph|Steph]] 05:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Nah I don't care if it's compressed here or not. Anyhow, that's definitely a different popsicle. Unless the pack we already have an article on was also sold in boxes for individual characters, but I highly doubt that. I'd title the section Popsicle Pokémon Strawberry & Lemon Ice with Candy. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 05:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I found another useful link, Z. <http://www.pokezam.com/pokemon/promotional/?mode=3> [[User:Steph|Steph]] 16:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh yeah, that's the link I found to first start creating food articles. Thanks for reminding me of it, though. There's still some stuff there that needs to be added. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 19:37, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== Brand Vote ==

Anyone else think that we should remove the brand name out of every article title which has one? I think we should. Kellogg's Pokémon Eggo Waffles --> Pokémon Eggo Waffles, Kellogg's Pokémon Toasted Oat Cereal with Marshmallow Bits --> Pokémon Toasted Oat Cereal with Marshmallow Bits, etc. The brand is best off mentioned in the actual article, which it usually is anyway. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 00:36, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:The brand should be mentioned enough in the actual articles, so yes, I agree the brand should be dropped from the title itself. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 00:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
::I don't really care either way. I suppose it could be taken out of the actual title unless it's required to disambig (like, say there were two different brands of pokemon gum or something) as brands are pretty much always mentioned in articles anyways. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Ok, it'll be done. I'm in the middle of a major food edit at the moment, so after. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 01:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

== Puzzles ==
Is there an article on puzzles? The physical ones, not games. I have two, one for [[M09|Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]] and a Diamond and Pearl one? Would you like me to make articles on my userpage for them? [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 01:40, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:If you want, you can make the future [[Pokémon puzzles]] at [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever/Puzzles]]. We can definitely use an article for them. Try to follow the same style as [[Pokémon food products]]. If it does follow the style and looks good, even with just two puzzles, we'll mainspace it. Let me know if you have any questions. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 01:42, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
::Hey I found some pictures but I can't upload them. How do you? It says i don't have permission. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 04:08, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Go [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Upload here] and upload away. Make sure to have only numbers and letters (NORMAL letters, as in, not é, Ē, etc.) and provide a good description. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 04:09, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
::::(got conflicted) Go [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:Upload here] (the archives) and log in with your Bulbapedia username and password. It *should* link your BP account to the Archives and then you should be allowed to upload pictures. (if that's what you were asking) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:11, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::Still won't let me. I don't know why? Do I need permission cause that is wha it says. So sorry for the trouble. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 04:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::You sure you're logged in? [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 04:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Positive, but my username and talk page do not exist on there, is that why? [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 04:17, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::You exist on the Archives. Just login with your usual username and password, and you're in. I don't know what happened with MergeAccounts, but it's not with me anymore. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 04:21, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::If I remember correctly, there were some issues with the "global" verification system. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
: Okay i figured out how to get them into my computer and put them into the thing on the upload file thing. But it won't let me upload it! Oh, and i found a lot more puzzles. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 23:19, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::What reason does it give for not letting you upload? [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 18:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, there are pictures on their now, need help organizing and editing please! [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 04:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Colour Scheme Suggestions ==

Anyone have any suggestions for the colour scheme of our project page? I don't intend to keep it the way it is. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 04:08, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:Aw, really? I liked the grey. Uh... I dunno. We could be lame and go for Red Green Blue and Yellow... XP --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:56, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
::Lol well if enough people think the same way I guess we will keep it like it is. I just figured something brighter would serve better. I'd also like the same colours to go on our userbox and notice; they'd be kind of like our project colours. I don't like the colour scheme of those two things at the moment. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 04:59, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Just wanna bring some more attention from members to this. It's still up for discussion. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 16:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Hey there, as a '''member''' (''new, joined it today'') of this project, I would like to share my opinion. Personally, I liked the color of the front page of this project a lot except for one thing. The silver color is a bit overused in the background, so I think something brighter (as VZ said above;some new colors with silver) should be used to reduce that super silvery dark look. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 16:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::So you mean the silver that is there the most? [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 03:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::By silvery, I meant that the darkish look on the main page should be lightened a bit. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 03:12, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Me too sorta. Any specific colour suggestions? [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 03:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I am not good at these but how about adding a bluish '''or''' half whiteIsh (light yellow) touch to the main page? ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 11:11, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Maybe trying a preview for each color that people think should be used? Also, is this for the color of the border or the background? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes, I have previewed all of the suggestions so far (albeit only 1). Adyniz is talking about the colour of the background, but every colour of current layout can be discussed, also. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 13:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::If so, then I do agree with having light yellow as the background color with the current border. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:45, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::How light are you guys thinking? What hex? [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 14:06, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'm talking about hex #FFFFED. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:16, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:I do agree with TA. It will look great on the project (at least I hope so). ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 16:14, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
::Geez, with a yellow that light it may as well go white. Not anything a bit more noticeable? [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 03:11, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== Individual Pokemon merchandise pages? ==

Hi there, I'm new to Project Merchandise and to Bulbapedia. I've made a few edits around the place and I've created most of the missing pages for each of the Pokémon Junior books (I'll be making the last one when I get home =p). Anyway I have an idea.
What if each Pokémon had an individual page listing all the merchandise for it? The TCG Project has a similar thing, listing all the cards for each Pokémon (eg. [[Squirtle (TCG)]]). Then on each Pokémon page from Project Pokedex, there could be a link to the main article of the merchandise for that Pokémon (eg. '''Main article: Squirtle (Merchandise)''' or something). The page could be broken up into categories like books, plush, figures etc, with each category listing that type of merchandise for the Pokémon.
I hope I'm making sense XD
I just thought this would be a good idea for collectors of a certain Pokémon to be able to see all the merchandise that Pokémon has.{{unsigned|moltres93}}
:But what are we going to write in that article? TCGs have a lot of things like power, attacks etc. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 06:28, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
::If you look at the Squirtle TCG article I linked in my last post, you can see there isn't really that much information about Squirtle cards. The purpose of the page is more for the list of cards, likewise, a Pokemon Merchandise page would be more for the ''list'' of merchandise for a Pokemon rather than a detailed article =) [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 07:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't think it should. Merchandise I think covers the most ground for any project, except for maybe Project Fandom. It is so big they even have a record for having the most Pokémon merchandise. Even if this is a good thing for those articles, who would be willing to go through 12,000+ items of merchandise? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 12:30, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: Considering the project aims to eventually have an article on EVERY bit of Pokémon merchandise ever released, a list for each Pokémon would not only be a good way for people to find specific things, but I don't think it would be that difficult either :D As the lists get longer, especially with the more popular Pokémon, the lists could break off into different pages (eg. a page just for Bubasaur plush, Bulbasaur figures etc.). I mean if everyone, after creating a new page for a bit of merchandise, added the link to the Pokémon list, it would be filled up in no time and without too much work from one person =) [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 08:01, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not really a fan of making an actual article revolving the merchandise of one Pokemon, but maybe categories would be a good idea. Like Category:Porygon-Z merchandise. This may cause a problem for list articles, though. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 18:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::I'm also pretty sure that pages for each specific Pokémon would be turned down extremely quickly. I also don't think that categories will work either. I think that one of the best possible things would be to make a complete list somewhere. But you won't be able to use {{TCG|Squirtle}} as an example after TTE makes the revamped template. All of those pages will be redone with more than just a list. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Really I'm just offering categories as an alternative for those who want to see a place in which all of the merchandise for one Pokemon could be viewed. In my opinion, it's not necessary. However, if alot of people were asking for it, I would consider it more so. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 20:17, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I think that having either seperate pages or categories for each Pokemon would be useful, particularly for two reasons<nowiki>:</nowiki> a) Identification of an item, if you have for example, a Bulbasaur figure you'd never seen before but want information on it, it would be a lot easier to obtain if there was a page on it (for Pokemon with a LOT of merchandise maybe even a page for Bulbasaur figures, though I'm not sure it would come to this for many Pokemon except Pikachu). And b) Say Bulbasaur is your favourite Pokemon - you want to collect some merchandise for that Pokemon, but you are not sure what is out there - a page listing various sets/items Bulbasaur appears in/as would be incredibly helpful. After all this is a 'merchandise' project - one would assume we are aimed particularly at collectors are we not? I like the merchandise page because it gives a list of items, for example if you collect any kind of plush you can find the list of plush at the merch page. So why shouldn't we be able to search for certain Pokemon? Just my two cents worth :) --[[User:Yelsha42|Yelsha42]] 02:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: Yeah, this is exactly what I mean! :) I'm glad someone agrees with me XD It just seems to make sense. And what do you mean by "categories" instead of pages for each Pokémon? (Please excuse my newbieness). [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 08:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
(resetting indent)Categories are those things at the bottoms of pages, such as [[:Category: Generation V Pokémon]]. It groups every page that put that category on its page and lists the pages in alphabetical order. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 12:04, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== ISBNs ==

I've recently been wondering about something. Should the ISBN be put right after the title as <BOOK TITLE> (ISBN 0-439-43440-8) or something similar now that it's in the infobox? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 16:14, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
:Do you mean put the ISBN in the actual page title? Although that would make it easier for someone trying to identify a certain book, I think it would look kind of messy, especially to people who don't know/care about ISBNs and are just seeing random numbers all over the place XD I think it's fine just in the infobox ;) [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 09:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::I believe he means just right after the title is mentioned in the actual article, which is the way we have it now. I'm for removing it from this area, since I like the organization of infoboxes. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 05:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Really? I've never seen an article with the ISBN anywhere else apart from the infobox. So does that mean we're just gonna stick to keeping it in the infobox and not putting it in the article? [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 09:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, I think so. It was shown on [[How to Draw Pokémon (2002)]] and many others until I removed them sometime after the infobox was made. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 12:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Info for books? ==
I've been thinking, there are a lot of short Pokémon books that don't have very much information in them and don't have any kind of plot. What kind of information do we want to write about these books? I'll use [[Meowth (Pokémon Pack Pals)|this]] book as an example. From what I remember this book was only like ten pages long, and didn't have a story so there isn't going to a synopsis for it. I've written up all the usual info about it, what kind of other stuff can we put on pages like these to make them no longer a stub? [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 09:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think that articles like that should be marked as a stub. However, the page length should be mentioned somewhere, which will hopefully stop people from wondering why it isn't a stub. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 05:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== [[Template:Books]] ==

...is huge. Any suggestions/ideas on how we should split it up? --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:Nuke it and use categories like they were designed to be used. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:58, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
::Or, another option, make separated templates for each of the rows of that template. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 09:09, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I like that one, personally. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 14:05, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I think having two templates would be better than many small templates as it shows more diversity. Maybe putting the two huge sections (activity and guide books) on one template and the rest on another as I suggested [[Template talk:Books|here]]. It basically makes two {{tt|equally sized|for the most part}} templates. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:46, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

== Hasbro Toys ==

Hello, I was hoping to be able to add to the project by writing about the toys Hasbro released starting with Gen I, mostly thing like the Battle figures, bean bag plush series, and so on. I can easily get pictures for them because I own most of them.

I did do a search of the entire Wiki for these things and they don't exist yet, so I wasn't sure if it was something needed or not. Though it would be kind of interesting to add.[[User:Nashida|Nashida]] 00:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yep, go right ahead. Don't be afraid to ask any more questions. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 08:52, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Great, I'll get started right away and add myself to the project list, if that's cool. [[User:Nashida|Nashida]] 14:35, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon Center Promotions ==
Hi there, I've been thinking recently about the overwhelming amount of merchandise the Pokémon Centers produce. Perhaps the best way to feature all the merch exclusive to these stores is to have a page on each Pokécen promotion. Every now and then they'll have a 'theme' and base a whole lot of merch around it. For example, a few months ago they had a promotion called "Pokémon Time", where a few selected Pokémon were drawn in a specific style and were made into charms, notebooks and bags. Here is a postcard featuring the Kanto starters in Pokémon Time style:
[http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff260/moltres93/DSCF1172-1.jpg]
More recently, there has also been a promotion for Eeveelution merchandise in this style: [http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff260/moltres93/coast.png]
A Charizard promotion featuring hats, notebooks, scarves etc in this pose: [http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff260/moltres93/Untitled-1copy-2.jpg]
And I think the most recent is the "Pikachu around the world" collection: [http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff260/moltres93/000wr6a2.jpg]

Each promotion page could have a gallery with photos of each individual item. There could also be a category page listing all the Pokécen promotions. What do people think of this idea? [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 03:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:Sounds like the best way to organise it to me. We can also have an index page of all the Pokémon Center promotions (which could be seperate or included on the actual Pokémon Centre store page, depending how long it is) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:: I made an example of what the promotion pages could look like in my userspace, [[User:Moltres93/Charizard Pokémon Center promotion (2010)|here]]. Would this be good enough to be moved to the mainspace? =p [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 10:37, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

== Linking ==

Hey guys, I was thinking recently that not a lot of merchandise pages link to many (if any) others, both in terms of merchandise pages and other articles on the wiki. so I guess my question is, does anyone have any idea how we can try to link to merchandise articles on other pages? I think it would increase visibility to the articles and the project in general. The only idea I can think of is navigation templates, but I'm not entirely sure how useful that is except maybe a navigation template to link all the list articles together (so the template would link to [[Pokémon food products]], [[Pokémon stationery]] etc) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 21:36, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:Before I even read on, that's what I was going to suggest. Any ideas as to what to name the nav template? Merchandise hubs? Merchandise lists? [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 23:52, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::The actual name of the template could just be like Template:Merchandise, I don't think that's taken. As for the heading of the template, I was thinking something like "Types of [[Pokémon merchandise]]" "Categories of Pokémon merchandise" or even just "Pokémon merchandise". On the side, another idea I had is that if Jio's portals idea ever gets off the ground (see [[User:CoolPikachu!/Portal:Manga|CP's manga portal]] for an example), we could make a merchandise portal to try to raise interest. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::If I may put my 2 cents, a navigation template could work. Unless the portals thing goes through, where it would be a good idea. If it does, [[Bulbapedia:Project Merchandise/Lists|this]] might be a good idea to convert to one. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 01:17, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== New merch website ==
Hmm, now lets see if I can actually remember how to write Bulba wikicode.......

I recently came across this website that updates nearly every DAY with new Pokémon merchandise. I think it would be invaluable to the members of this project in helping to keep up to date with new merch. And with Black and White released, there's going to be a CRAPLOAD of it. Here is the link: http://pokemonfigure.blogspot.com/ [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 10:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Upcoming books ==

I glanced at my brother's book order catalogue from school and found that these'll be new (or, we just don't have an article for the Pokédex one):
* Pokémon Galactic Battles - The Power of Three
** 96 pages
* Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Pokédex
** 352 pages
There might be one or two more, but I didn't look through the whole thing yet. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:27, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== Japanese DVDs? ==

Does this project plan to include information on Japanese DVD? I recently bought one (and plan to buy more) and would like to help. --'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Netto-kun|Contribs]] 17:09, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
:My life's ambition is to fully catalogue the North American VHS/DVD releases, so yes, that counts too. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:20, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

== Inactivity ==

Although I haven't been here much recently, it seems that the project has fallen into inactivity again. For one, I had to update the books to-do list after 4 months of not being edited, and for two, it doesn't seem that many of the people on the project members list are active. I don't really know what can be done about this though. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 01:57, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

== North American DVD ==

I own a large portion of the Region 1 DVDs and would really love to contribute articles for each one including scans of the cover, back, insert (if present), disc, and box art (if part of a set) as well as all of its pertinent information (like who published it, the ISBN, the included episodes, features, box descriptions, etc). The problem is that there doesn't really seem to be any template to follow or stubs to edit. Would anyone be able to help out with a template? I'm not allowed to post new articles yet, but I'd really love to help with this and have all the means to do so.

Just to note, I can do this for Fashion Victims, Wake Up Snorlax, all Indigo League boxsets, all Orange Islands individual volumes, all Johto League Champions, both MasterQuest boxsets, all Advanced volumes, all Advanced Challenge volumes, all Advanced Battle volumes, both Battle Frontier boxsets, all Diamond and Pearl boxsets, all DP: Battle Dimension boxsets, Winter Vacation, and all movies except Zoroark. I can also do several of the Indigo League VHS. [[User:Triltaison|Triltaison]] 06:22, 19 February 2012 (UTC)Triltaison

== I Want To Be Part of this Project ==

I want to be part of this project. [[User:WATERWARRIOR67|WATER]][[User talk:WATERWARRIOR67|Warrior]]67 07:51, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
:If you'd like to be a member of this or any other project, you can add the user template that's shown on the page. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 08:08, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

== amiibo ==

Something I noticed is that there currently seems to be no coverage on Bulbapedia regarding Pokémon-related amiibo. Given that there are three currently announced/released as part of the ''Super Smash Bros.'' set, with two further expected in the future, I would strongly suggest that a catch-all amiibo page be created. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|talk]]) 22:48, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

== Join this project? ==

Is it ok if I join this project? I'm very interested in Pokémon merchandise, and have a small collection myself (mainly Bulbasaur line stuff). --[[User:Treacle|Treacle]] ([[User talk:Treacle|talk]]) 00:12, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

== What does this mean? ==

The page says that members of Project Merchandise can put this:
{{User Project Merchandise}}
in their profile.

Does it mean if you have created a page or if you have added to a page or?
:No, anyone can add it at any time. It's just a usertag that indicates you're interested in that project. (Or, I guess, more specifically, that you're interested in having that project's usertag on your userpage.) There are no prerequisites to use it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:14, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

:Oh, thanks.[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 18:17, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

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==Characteristics section==
Is it just me or is it not very well- worded/structured? I'd be happy to make some changes to it, I just wanted to double check with other community members first. [[User:Volsak|Volsak]] 01:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:It's terrible. Now you have something to do ;D Birthday! ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:28, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:: lol yay It's been bugging me ever since i first read it. I'll get on it right away [[User:Volsak|Volsak]] 01:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:: The deed is done. I am open to any CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. in other words, if I did a lousy job please tell me :P [[User:Volsak|Volsak]] 02:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:::The only thing you did wrong was not capitalize "Electric-type". I'll do that. Birthday! ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

==Trivia==
I think it's worth something that every generation has introduced an electric type pokemon based on rodents. Pikachu and Raichu, Pichu, Plusle and Minun, Pachirisu [[User:Luord|Luord]] 00:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)Luord

Can any one find out when the colour of electric attacks changed from yellow to blue? I think it was in Gen III however i also know that some older pokemon keep the yellow attack colour while im almost sure that the new ones have blue. [[User:Tonberry|Tonberry]] 15:35, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I realized a few things the other day. I'll mention them here for interest:
* Heat {{p|Rotom}} has the only type combination simultaneously resistant to {{t|Fire}}, {{t|Ice}}, and {{t|Electric}} attacks.
* Except for Electric itself, every elemental type that resists Electric atacks (i.e. {{t|Grass}}, {{t|Ground}}, and {{t|Dragon}}) is vulnerable to {{t|Ice}}.
--''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 07:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)''

==Wild Bolt==
What the heck is Wild Bolt? Not a move I've ever heard of, and it's stats are all question-marked. Is this from some side-game? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 01:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:New move for Shimama, it's from Black and White so not much information has been released yet.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 02:01, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::We probably shouldn't be adding new moves from Gen V though if we don't have any new information on them yet. Like how anime pages are protected from edits until the episode in question is released. But I'm no moderator or admin, so I'll avoid an edit war over this. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 02:03, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I agree. However, we didn't have it there until today, even though it was released two months ago. However, a user keeps adding Generation V info to the pages. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
==Weakness to electric moves==
If I didn't make any mistake with figures, there should be more species weak to electric type moves, with 158, as compared to the ones weak to ground types moves, which should be 152 ( taking levitate into account ). This should be enough to consider the electric type one of the best offensively along with the classic ice, ground, fire, rock and fighting.

== Weak to Fairy type ==

[[File:Eeveelutions.png|200px]] Clockwise from Flareon and tell me what you think. Considering that Electric is one of only two types to have only one weakness up until now, there's no doubt that Fairy will counters it. Go on and tell me bull****, unconfirmed, unreliable prediction, but this is gonna happen. {{unsigned|‎Acellutor}}
:And when it's confirmed, it'll be added. Until then, it's still speculation. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 23:25, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
::I guess magic beats science? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 15:59, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== ampharos ==

there should be an asterisk next to ampharos in the pure column saying "normal form" or something and ampharos in the primary column with an asterisk saying "mega form" or something. [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 17:52, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

== Rotom Typings ==

Can I recommend a small change to make the table look a little neater.
At the moment we list all Rotom forms twice which I think is unnecessary

(Sorry this takes up a lot of room, I don't know how to make collapsible panels)

'''Can we change this:'''

{| {| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{electric color light}}; border: 5px solid #{{electric color}};"
|-
|
{| border=1 width="100%" class="sortable" style="margin:auto; background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #{{electric color light}}; border-collapse:collapse;"
|-style="background: #{{electric color light}};"
! #
!
! Name
! Type 1
! Type 2
|-
|081
|{{MSP|081|Magnemite}}
|{{p|Magnemite}}{{tt|*|Generation II onwards}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|-
|082
|{{MSP|082|Magneton}}
|{{p|Magneton}}{{tt|*|Generation II onwards}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|-
|145
|{{MSP|145|Zapdos}}
|{{p|Zapdos}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|462
|{{MSP|462|Magnezone}}
|{{p|Magnezone}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|-
| rowspan="11" |479
|{{MSP|479|Rotom}}
|{{p|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|-
|{{MSP|479O|Rotom}}
| rowspan="5" |{{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|Generation IV}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|-
|{{MSP|479W|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|-
|{{MSP|479R|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|-
|{{MSP|479F|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|-
|{{MSP|479L|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|-
|{{MSP|479O|Rotom}}
| rowspan="5" |{{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|Generation V onwards}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
|-
|{{MSP|479W|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|{{MSP|479R|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|{{MSP|479F|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|{{MSP|479L|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
|-
|587
|{{MSP|587|Emolga}}
|{{p|Emolga}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
| rowspan="2" |642
|{{MSP|642|Thundurus}}
| rowspan="2" |{{p|Thundurus}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|{{MSP|642T|Thundurus}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|???
|{{MSP|000|Helioptile}}
|{{p|Helioptile}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
|-
|???
|{{MSP|???|Dedenne}}
|{{p|Dedenne}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Fairy}}
|}
|}

'''To this:'''

{| {| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; background: #{{electric color light}}; border: 5px solid #{{electric color}};"
|-
|
{| border=1 width="100%" class="sortable" style="margin:auto; background: #FFFFFF; border:1px solid #{{electric color light}}; border-collapse:collapse;"
|-style="background: #{{electric color light}};"
! #
!
! Name
! Type 1
! Type 2
|-
|081
|{{MSP|081|Magnemite}}
|{{p|Magnemite}}{{tt|*|Generation II onwards}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|-
|082
|{{MSP|082|Magneton}}
|{{p|Magneton}}{{tt|*|Generation II onwards}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|-
|145
|{{MSP|145|Zapdos}}
|{{p|Zapdos}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|462
|{{MSP|462|Magnezone}}
|{{p|Magnezone}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Steel}}
|-
| rowspan="6" | 479
|{{MSP|479|Rotom}}
|{{p|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ghost}}
|-
|{{MSP|479O|Rotom}}
| rowspan="5" |{{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|Prior to Generation V, all Rotom forms were Electric/Ghost type}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Fire}}
|-
|{{MSP|479W|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Water}}
|-
|{{MSP|479R|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Ice}}
|-
|{{MSP|479F|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|{{MSP|479L|Rotom}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Grass}}
|-
|587
|{{MSP|587|Emolga}}
|{{p|Emolga}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
| rowspan="2" |642
|{{MSP|642|Thundurus}}
| rowspan="2" |{{p|Thundurus}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|{{MSP|642T|Thundurus}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Flying}}
|-
|???
|{{MSP|000|Helioptile}}
|{{p|Helioptile}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Normal}}
|-
|???
|{{MSP|???|Dedenne}}
|{{p|Dedenne}}
{{typetable|Electric}}
{{typetable|Fairy}}
|}
|}

[[User:Benjabby|Benjabby]] ([[User talk:Benjabby|talk]]) 11:03, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
:I think it is better to list all Pokémon under all of their type combinations. Same reason we list Magnemite twice; it makes it clear what they were. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:32, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

==Trivia cleanup==

Would someone remove these two piece of trivia as they are no longer true.
1)The three Pokémon that have had their types changed between generations (Magnemite, Magneton, and Rotom's alternate forms) are all part Electric type.
2) It is the only type to have had all of its moves used in the anime. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:07, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

== G1's Blaine gym. ==

When it asks about "thunder moves", in Japanese versions, it mentions ''かみなリタイプ''. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 19:00, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

== Are electric Pokemon immune to stun spore? ==

Are electric Pokemon immune to stun spore? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 00:38, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
:I believe they are.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:38, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== The battle properties section is confusing ==

I can't understand the battle properties section. Maybe there could be a simpler model of that board thingy?--[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 19:53, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

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==a shiny hunting tip==

I believe it is a good idea to list the poke balls you should use and places to go without moves like teleport, explosion, ect. {{unsigned|Natnew}}

== Helpful hint for Pokemon XY ==

Use a Pokemon that has the move of Sweet scent to attract hordes.
These Pokemon are:
Oddish - Route 6
Illumise - Route 7
Combee - Route 4

--[[User:SpilledTea|SpilledTea]] ([[User talk:SpilledTea|talk]]) 01:03, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
:Much as I appreciate the hint, I kinda already knew this. To get an idea of how long I knew this for, I got a level 13 Illumise off Wonder Trade I started carrying with me purely for Sweet Scent usage. She is now level 100. I almost never used her in battle, that's 99% Exp. Share right there. I've EV trained Pokémon and gotten multiple Shinies by Sweet Scenting to attract hordes. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 03:27, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

== unsigned ==

i have seen some comments or whatever by you that were unsigned. please sign them. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 01:37, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:His signature ''is'' the unsigned comment. He set his signature to look like that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC
::WAT? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 01:31, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I did it some time ago pretty much for the lulz. You can tell it from actual unsigned templates by the presence of a timestamp, like so; - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:24, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::oh. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 00:50, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

== Capture vs catch? ==

I have to ask is this spree of changing "capture" to "catch" that you're on justified by some sort of policy that I'm not aware of, or is it more or less just your personal preference? Myself, I actually prefer "capture" somewhat over "catch". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:55, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:...Boy, is my face red. I could've sworn I read somewhere on here that "catch" was preferred over "capture", but after searching for it, I... can't seem to find it again. Either I misread something or a rule's been changed since then. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:09, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
::At least you found that one place where someone apparently went the other direction and carelessly came up with "Brock captures up with Misty". =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:::"Catch" refers to [[caught Pokémon]], while "capture" refers to {{DL|Caught Pokémon|captured Pokémon}} who are being controlled by a [[Capture Styler]]. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 23:37, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
::::I agree, but it seems that there is no official policy to that effect on Bulbapedia as I thought. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::That claim doesn't entirely hold water, Abcboy, when ''right'' above the "captured" Pokemon section, there's a quote from Ash's own Pokedex saying "To ''capture'' a Pokemon"... From a purely practical perspective, I don't think there's enough difference to absolutely prefer either. And the games definitely use "capture" freely enough (Red and Black 2 pretty freely, certainly; in ORAS it at least appears in "Capture Power"). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:12, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
== Gen I glitch moves ==
Hi, I think you're the person to ask. I was going to try patching some glitch moves to my Pokémon in Yellow version and try them out (going by the list of glitch moves page). I put TM 28 (hex E4) on my Paras, had 30 base PP, it worked as noted. However, I patched hex DB and DF and their Base PP's were different (36 and 2 instead of 50 and 4, respectively) So my question is are all glitch moves different between Red+Blue vs Yellow? (English versions) I am playing on cartridge with Gameshark, and I don't want to ruin the cart. I can move this to the discussion page if you'd like. [[User :Teimoe|'''T'''ei'''M'''oe]]''[[User talk:Teimoe|–>Tell me how I'm doing]]'' 21:53, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:I don't have a lot of experience with glitch moves in Yellow, but it's my understanding that they're different from their R/B counterparts. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:25, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::Do you know who or anybody that would know? [[User :Teimoe|'''T'''ei'''M'''oe]]''[[User talk:Teimoe|–>Tell me how I'm doing]]'' 00:52, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'd start with SnorlaxMonster, the leader of Project GlitchDex. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 05:58, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

== Hello ==
Hello its me yor best glitch Гrl.ͤɴq: ▄█ 'M ▓▒ ¿can i be your Friend? --[[User:MR 'MBLOCK|MR 'MBLOCK]] ([[User talk:MR 'MBLOCK|talk]]) 21:40, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

:Your name kind of looks like it says "friend" on it.--[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 07:38, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

== This honestly looks like a real Bulbapedia page ==

How long did it take you to make this page look and sound like a real page? [[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 07:36, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

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==a shiny hunting tip==

I believe it is a good idea to list the poke balls you should use and places to go without moves like teleport, explosion, ect. {{unsigned|Natnew}}

== Helpful hint for Pokemon XY ==

Use a Pokemon that has the move of Sweet scent to attract hordes.
These Pokemon are:
Oddish - Route 6
Illumise - Route 7
Combee - Route 4

--[[User:SpilledTea|SpilledTea]] ([[User talk:SpilledTea|talk]]) 01:03, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
:Much as I appreciate the hint, I kinda already knew this. To get an idea of how long I knew this for, I got a level 13 Illumise off Wonder Trade I started carrying with me purely for Sweet Scent usage. She is now level 100. I almost never used her in battle, that's 99% Exp. Share right there. I've EV trained Pokémon and gotten multiple Shinies by Sweet Scenting to attract hordes. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 03:27, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

== unsigned ==

i have seen some comments or whatever by you that were unsigned. please sign them. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 01:37, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:His signature ''is'' the unsigned comment. He set his signature to look like that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC
::WAT? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 01:31, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I did it some time ago pretty much for the lulz. You can tell it from actual unsigned templates by the presence of a timestamp, like so; - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:24, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::oh. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 00:50, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

== Capture vs catch? ==

I have to ask is this spree of changing "capture" to "catch" that you're on justified by some sort of policy that I'm not aware of, or is it more or less just your personal preference? Myself, I actually prefer "capture" somewhat over "catch". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:55, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:...Boy, is my face red. I could've sworn I read somewhere on here that "catch" was preferred over "capture", but after searching for it, I... can't seem to find it again. Either I misread something or a rule's been changed since then. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:09, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
::At least you found that one place where someone apparently went the other direction and carelessly came up with "Brock captures up with Misty". =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:::"Catch" refers to [[caught Pokémon]], while "capture" refers to {{DL|Caught Pokémon|captured Pokémon}} who are being controlled by a [[Capture Styler]]. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 23:37, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
::::I agree, but it seems that there is no official policy to that effect on Bulbapedia as I thought. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::That claim doesn't entirely hold water, Abcboy, when ''right'' above the "captured" Pokemon section, there's a quote from Ash's own Pokedex saying "To ''capture'' a Pokemon"... From a purely practical perspective, I don't think there's enough difference to absolutely prefer either. And the games definitely use "capture" freely enough (Red and Black 2 pretty freely, certainly; in ORAS it at least appears in "Capture Power"). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:12, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
== Gen I glitch moves ==
Hi, I think you're the person to ask. I was going to try patching some glitch moves to my Pokémon in Yellow version and try them out (going by the list of glitch moves page). I put TM 28 (hex E4) on my Paras, had 30 base PP, it worked as noted. However, I patched hex DB and DF and their Base PP's were different (36 and 2 instead of 50 and 4, respectively) So my question is are all glitch moves different between Red+Blue vs Yellow? (English versions) I am playing on cartridge with Gameshark, and I don't want to ruin the cart. I can move this to the discussion page if you'd like. [[User :Teimoe|'''T'''ei'''M'''oe]]''[[User talk:Teimoe|–>Tell me how I'm doing]]'' 21:53, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:I don't have a lot of experience with glitch moves in Yellow, but it's my understanding that they're different from their R/B counterparts. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:25, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::Do you know who or anybody that would know? [[User :Teimoe|'''T'''ei'''M'''oe]]''[[User talk:Teimoe|–>Tell me how I'm doing]]'' 00:52, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'd start with SnorlaxMonster, the leader of Project GlitchDex. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 05:58, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

== Hello ==
Hello its me yor best glitch Гrl.ͤɴq: ▄█ 'M ▓▒ ¿can i be your Friend? --[[User:MR 'MBLOCK|MR 'MBLOCK]] ([[User talk:MR 'MBLOCK|talk]]) 21:40, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

:Your name kind of looks like it says "friend" on it.

== This honestly looks like a real Bulbapedia page ==

How long did it take you to make this page look and sound like a real page? [[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 07:36, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

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==a shiny hunting tip==

I believe it is a good idea to list the poke balls you should use and places to go without moves like teleport, explosion, ect. {{unsigned|Natnew}}

== Helpful hint for Pokemon XY ==

Use a Pokemon that has the move of Sweet scent to attract hordes.
These Pokemon are:
Oddish - Route 6
Illumise - Route 7
Combee - Route 4

--[[User:SpilledTea|SpilledTea]] ([[User talk:SpilledTea|talk]]) 01:03, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
:Much as I appreciate the hint, I kinda already knew this. To get an idea of how long I knew this for, I got a level 13 Illumise off Wonder Trade I started carrying with me purely for Sweet Scent usage. She is now level 100. I almost never used her in battle, that's 99% Exp. Share right there. I've EV trained Pokémon and gotten multiple Shinies by Sweet Scenting to attract hordes. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 03:27, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

== unsigned ==

i have seen some comments or whatever by you that were unsigned. please sign them. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 01:37, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
:His signature ''is'' the unsigned comment. He set his signature to look like that.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC
::WAT? --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 01:31, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I did it some time ago pretty much for the lulz. You can tell it from actual unsigned templates by the presence of a timestamp, like so; - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:24, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
::::oh. --[[User:Valehd|Valehd]] ''([[User talk:Valehd|tAlk]])'' 00:50, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

== Capture vs catch? ==

I have to ask is this spree of changing "capture" to "catch" that you're on justified by some sort of policy that I'm not aware of, or is it more or less just your personal preference? Myself, I actually prefer "capture" somewhat over "catch". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:55, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:...Boy, is my face red. I could've sworn I read somewhere on here that "catch" was preferred over "capture", but after searching for it, I... can't seem to find it again. Either I misread something or a rule's been changed since then. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:09, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
::At least you found that one place where someone apparently went the other direction and carelessly came up with "Brock captures up with Misty". =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:::"Catch" refers to [[caught Pokémon]], while "capture" refers to {{DL|Caught Pokémon|captured Pokémon}} who are being controlled by a [[Capture Styler]]. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 23:37, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
::::I agree, but it seems that there is no official policy to that effect on Bulbapedia as I thought. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::That claim doesn't entirely hold water, Abcboy, when ''right'' above the "captured" Pokemon section, there's a quote from Ash's own Pokedex saying "To ''capture'' a Pokemon"... From a purely practical perspective, I don't think there's enough difference to absolutely prefer either. And the games definitely use "capture" freely enough (Red and Black 2 pretty freely, certainly; in ORAS it at least appears in "Capture Power"). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:12, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
== Gen I glitch moves ==
Hi, I think you're the person to ask. I was going to try patching some glitch moves to my Pokémon in Yellow version and try them out (going by the list of glitch moves page). I put TM 28 (hex E4) on my Paras, had 30 base PP, it worked as noted. However, I patched hex DB and DF and their Base PP's were different (36 and 2 instead of 50 and 4, respectively) So my question is are all glitch moves different between Red+Blue vs Yellow? (English versions) I am playing on cartridge with Gameshark, and I don't want to ruin the cart. I can move this to the discussion page if you'd like. [[User :Teimoe|'''T'''ei'''M'''oe]]''[[User talk:Teimoe|–>Tell me how I'm doing]]'' 21:53, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:I don't have a lot of experience with glitch moves in Yellow, but it's my understanding that they're different from their R/B counterparts. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:25, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::Do you know who or anybody that would know? [[User :Teimoe|'''T'''ei'''M'''oe]]''[[User talk:Teimoe|–>Tell me how I'm doing]]'' 00:52, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I'd start with SnorlaxMonster, the leader of Project GlitchDex. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 05:58, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

== Hello ==
Hello its me yor best glitch Гrl.ͤɴq: ▄█ 'M ▓▒ ¿can i be your Friend? --[[User:MR 'MBLOCK|MR 'MBLOCK]] ([[User talk:MR 'MBLOCK|talk]]) 21:40, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

== This honestly looks like a real Bulbapedia page ==

How long did it take you to make this page look and sound like a real page? [[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 07:36, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Ash Ketchum

2016-12-30T07:33:01Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon: /* Ash's name is a pun */ new section

<big><big><big>ASH WAS CONFIRMED 10 YEARS OF AGE IN THE FIRST EPISODE OF THE BEST WISHES SERIES. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE POSTS QUESTIONING HIS AGE.</big></big></big>

== Previous discussions ==
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
__TOC__

== Rotom Pokédex in "Unofficial" Segment ==

The Rotom Pokédex qualifies under that category and travels alongside Ash and his buddies. Should it be included? If so, the template will need a minor adjustment for this to work. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 03:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:I'm all for its inclusion. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:51, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

== Ash staying 10years old ==

The convention in Delaware with the original voice actor of Jessie when asked Ash's age said he was still 10 because the show is an evergreen show.--Pokemonfansuper 13:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

:What is evergreen? --[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 07:27, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

== In the games section ==
Should we have a section of Ash's appearances in the games? He's appeared in Puzzle League and implied to be the writer of the letter at the beginning of the Sun and Moon demo. He's also present in all the SEGA Pico games, and there are event Pokémon based on his Pokémon (like Ash's Pikachu back in Generation IV and now Ash-Greninja). [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 08:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

== Taking Care Of segment for Pokémon Egg ==

Since both he and Lillie were tasked with watching over the Pokémon Egg, it should be noted on both of their pages. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 18:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

== Why Ash is still 10 ==

I am not questioning his age, as mentioned at the top of this page. I am '''speculating''' on why Ash hasn't grown:

Game Freak is trying to tell us how fast Pokémon games can be beaten if you try hard enough. And that is why Ash Ketchum hasn't grown. --[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 07:26, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

== Ash's name is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pun pun] ==

Ash's full name is Ash Ketchum, and if you think about it the word "Ketchum" and the phrase "catch 'em" sound very similar. --[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 07:33, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Ash Ketchum

2016-12-30T07:27:36Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon: /* Ash staying 10years old */

Talk:Ash Ketchum

2016-12-30T07:26:10Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon: /* Why Ash is still 10 */ new section

<big><big><big>ASH WAS CONFIRMED 10 YEARS OF AGE IN THE FIRST EPISODE OF THE BEST WISHES SERIES. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE POSTS QUESTIONING HIS AGE.</big></big></big>

== Previous discussions ==
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
__TOC__

== Rotom Pokédex in "Unofficial" Segment ==

The Rotom Pokédex qualifies under that category and travels alongside Ash and his buddies. Should it be included? If so, the template will need a minor adjustment for this to work. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 03:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:I'm all for its inclusion. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:51, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

== Ash staying 10years old ==

The convention in Delaware with the original voice actor of Jessie when asked Ash's age said he was still 10 because the show is an evergreen show.--Pokemonfansuper 13:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== In the games section ==
Should we have a section of Ash's appearances in the games? He's appeared in Puzzle League and implied to be the writer of the letter at the beginning of the Sun and Moon demo. He's also present in all the SEGA Pico games, and there are event Pokémon based on his Pokémon (like Ash's Pikachu back in Generation IV and now Ash-Greninja). [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 08:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

== Taking Care Of segment for Pokémon Egg ==

Since both he and Lillie were tasked with watching over the Pokémon Egg, it should be noted on both of their pages. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 18:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

== Why Ash is still 10 ==

I am not questioning his age, as mentioned at the top of this page. I am '''speculating''' on why Ash hasn't grown:

Game Freak is trying to tell us how fast Pokémon games can be beaten if you try hard enough. And that is why Ash Ketchum hasn't grown. --[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 07:26, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Snorlax (Pokémon)

2016-12-30T07:19:24Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon: /* Further evolutions for Snorlax maybe? */ new section

{{Rotating art}}
== Edit request ==

→Pokedex entries
:<nowiki>|heartgolddex=What sounds like its cry may actually be its snores or the rumblings of its hungry belly.</nowiki>
♥ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:47, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

→Trivia
* In Generation III, normally the Ruby and Sapphire sprite is the same as Emerald's sprite. However, Snorlax's Emerald sprite is different to the Ruby and Sapphire sprite. The Emerald sprite is similar to the Ruby and Sapphire sprite except it's face isn't smiling and it's feet are smaller. Also, Snorlax has three different Generation III sprites. [[User:Lanturn|Lanturn]] 02:16, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== Leftovers ==

it mentions the leftovers being on a snorlax 100% or the time in d/p/pt, if this is true, how, because it is uncatchable without hacking/cheating or is this the only way it is obtained? or is it obtained through evolution?--[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 22:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
:It's being fixed. Give me some time. I'm making sure everything's clean. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:51, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
ok, cool--[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 19:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== Lick is an Egg Move? ==

Snorlax can learn Lick by level up. Why is it on the list of Egg moves? Does this just mean that a father who knows Lick will pass it to a baby Snorlax, even if the mother doesn't know Lick? [[User:Yenreb|Yenreb]] 01:36, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

:In a nutshell, yes.

:Keep in mind that the move listings are according to the actual coding of the games. As such, a move can appear as an egg move that's also learned by level or even by TM. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:45, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

== Shortest Cry? ==

I've heard a lot of cries, but I'm pretty sure Snorlax has the shortest. Should we put this in the trivia? [[User:Carrottime|Carrottime]] 20:51, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:I think it might vie for that title with Jigglypuff.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 18:19, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Snorlax and Jigglypuff both have a pretty short cry. I think Snorlax just has a tad bit shorter of one. --[[User:'Snorlax|'Snorlax]] 19:42, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Is it worth noting that Sinnoh is the only main region to include Snorlax in it's regional Pokedex wherein Snorlax is not encountered as a road obstacle at some point throughout the game?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 18:19, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== Different sprites in Gen III ==

Just noticed that all of the base sprites in Gen III of Snorlax is different. Even in Emerald it got a different one than in Ruby and Sapphire. --[[User:Mattii|Mattii]] 14:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Is It Just Me? ==

Is it just me, or does Snorlax bear a strong resemblance to the fictitious (and also originally Japanese) creature Totoro? Pokémon was introduced roughly around the time of the movie ''My Neighbor Totoro'' as well, and both his mannerisms and appearances are quite similar. Is this worth mentioning? [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 20:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
:what's toroto?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:25, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::''[[Wikipedia:My Neighbour Totoro|My Neighbour Totoro]]'' is a Hayao Miyazaki film, and is quite well known in Japanese pop culture. It's possible there could be some connection between Snorlax's design and Totoro. The colours are quite similar afterall.--[[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 00:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

== Snorlax is a Cave Bear? ==

What makes Snorlax a Cave Bear?[[User:Bennell|Bennell]] 20:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

== Snorlax's colors ==

Cyndaquil, Quilava, and Typhlosion have the same colors as Snorlax.[[User:Bennell|Bennell]] 20:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

==Trivia==
One of the entries states that "In HeartGold and SoulSilver, if the player interacts with a Snorlax that is walking with them, the message "SNORLAX is feeling very eager" will appear. This is based on Red, who is also at Mt. Silver, owning a Snorlax as well." However, this does not say that the player's Snorlax has to be in Mt.Silver as the sentence implies. I'm going to go ahead and change it if that's okay. [[User:Noah★|Noah★]] ([[User talk:Noah★|talk]]) 09:59, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

== Kōji Nishino ==

So I've heard several times that Kabigon comes from the nickname of Game Freak programmer Kōji Nishino. The Japanese Wikipedia page says that this is mentioned in books (exact quote: 「開発スタッフである西野弘二（ゲームフリーク所属）が外見と名前のモチーフになっているということが、関連書籍で幾度か触れられている。」). Unfortunately, this is going to mean Japanese books, so it won't be easy to find. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:58, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
:[https://twitter.com/Umekopyon/status/560672131110158338 Here] is an image with info about it. Reverse image search gives a few results about it, so I suggest someone looks into that (ideally someone with a better knowledge of Japanese than me). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:58, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

==Can Snorlax hatch from an [[Egg]]==
In the trivia section, it says snorlax is the Pokémon with to highest base stat that can hatch out of an [[Egg]]. So you can breed with a snorlax and and get another snorlax? Not a [[munchlax]].--[[User:Ethan7|Ethan7]] ([[User talk:Ethan7|talk]]) 16:50, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
:You only get a Munchlax if you breed Snorlax holding a Full Incense. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 16:50, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

== Further evolutions for '''Snorlax''' maybe? ==

I think that there should be one more evolution for Snorlax.
Something like this: A Snorlax, but its the color red and '''''BIGGER'''''

If you are from Game freak and reading this, make it happen.--[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 07:19, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Kiawe

2016-12-27T10:47:19Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon:

{{CharInfobox
|color={{fire color}}
|corecolor={{fire color light}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|name=Kiawe
|jname=カキ
|tmname=Kaki
|slogan=no
|image=Sun Moon Kiawe.png
|size=200px
|caption=Artwork from [[Sun and Moon]]
|gender=Male
|age=yes
|years=11-19{{sup/7|SM}}
|colors=yes
|eyes=Brown
|hair=Brown
|hometown=[[Paniola Town]]
|region=[[Alola]]
|trainer=yes
|trainerclass=[[Trial Captain]]
|game=yes
|generation={{Gen|VII}}
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|leader=no
|specialist=yes
|type={{t|Fire}} types
|anime=counterpart
|animecounterpart={{an|Kiawe}}
|epnum=SM001
|epname=Alola to New Adventure!
}}

'''Kiawe''' (Japanese: '''カキ''' ''Kaki'') is a [[Trial Captain]] of [[Alola]]. He [[Type expert|specializes]] in {{type|Fire}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.

==In the games==
Kiawe appears in {{g|Sun and Moon}} as a Trial Captain who provides guidance to trial-goers. Together with his {{p|Marowak}}, he studies the traditional dances of the Alola region. He says that his trials are different from the others and test the [[player]]'s observation. In Kiawe's [[Island challenge|trial]], he asks the [[player]] to identify the difference between two dances.

In Pokémon Sun, after defeating [[Olivia]], the player can find [[Kiawe]] in his room at [[Paniola Town]] during the night. Upon speaking with him, he will immediately leave for the [[Thrifty Megamart]] at [[Royal Avenue]]. Once the [[player]] arrives, [[Kiawe]] will be seen briefly speaking with his boss before requesting for a battle with the [[player]]. After his defeat, he states that he had just been fired from his part-time job, and he mentions his wish to travel to another region to further his studies for dancing. Shortly after telling his story, he will award the [[player]] the Reverent battle style.

===Pokémon===
{{Party/Single
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=VSKiawe.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}3,240
|class=Captain
|classlink=Trial Captain
|name=Kiawe
|game=Su
|location=Royal Avenue
|pokemon=3}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=058
|pokemon=Growlithe
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Intimidate
|move1=Bite|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Fire Fang|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=662
|pokemon=Fletchinder
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Ember|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Peck|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=105
|form=-Alola
|pokemon=Marowak
|level=27
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Ghost
|ability=Cursed Body
|move1=Flame Wheel|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Hex|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Bonemerang|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}
====Battle Tree====
{| style="float:left; text-align:center;"
|-
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|gender=
|type1=Fire
|ability=Intimidate
|ability2=Flash Fire
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=White Herb
|move1=Overheat|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Solar Beam|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Special
|move4=Extreme Speed|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|gender=
|type1=Fire
|ability=Intimidate
|ability2=Flash Fire
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Fightinium Z
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Extreme Speed|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=105
|form=-Alola
|pokemon=Marowak
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Thick Club
|type1=Fire
|type2=Ghost
|ability=Cursed Body
|ability2=Lightning Rod
|move1=Shadow Bone|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Detect|move3type=Fighting|move3cat=Status
|move4=Stomping Tantrum|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=115
|pokemon=Kangaskhan
|gender=female
|type1=Normal
|ability=Early Bird
|ability2=Scrappy
|level=50
|held=Kangaskhanite
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Facade|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|-
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=115
|pokemon=Kangaskhan
|gender=female
|type1=Normal
|ability=Early Bird
|ability2=Scrappy
|level=50
|held=Kangaskhanite
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Double-Edge|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|gender=
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|ability2=Gale Wings
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Focus Sash
|move1=Swords Dance|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flail|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|ability2=Gale Wings
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Brave Bird|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Swords Dance|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=758
|pokemon=Salazzle
|gender=female
|type1=Poison
|type2=Fire
|ability=Corrosion
|ability2=Oblivious
|level=50
|held=Focus Sash
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sludge Bomb|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Nasty Plot|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fake Out|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|-
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=758
|pokemon=Salazzle
|gender=female
|type1=Poison
|type2=Fire
|ability=Corrosion
|ability2=Oblivious
|level=50
|held=Firium Z
|move1=Overheat|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sludge Wave|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Dragon Pulse|move3type=Dragon|move3cat=Special
|move4=Fake Out|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|}
{{-}}

===Quotes===
{{incomplete|section|The first question "Not right now" option}}
===={{pkmn|Sun and Moon}}====
;[[Battle Royal Dome]]
:''"You were on fire during that battle. I hope you bring that fire with you and burn up my trial."''
:''"The name's Kiawe, the Fire captain. You can get to Wela Volcano Park from {{rt|7|Alola}}. I'll be waiting on the peak. If you plan to see your island challenge through to the end, climb to the top with your strongest team!"''

;[[Wela Volcano Park]]
:''"I am Kiawe. My {{p|Marowak}} and I are students of the ancient dances that have been passed down in Alola for generations."''
:''"The trial of Kiawe... You will find that it is a bit different than the trials you have faced to this point, but of course, you will attempt it, right?"''
::'''Not right now''':
::'''Of course!''': ''"My trial will test your powers of observation! There will be a dance...and then another. Your task will be to find the difference between the two. Begin!"''

:''"Watch carefully and memorize this dance."''
:''"What was different from the previous dance?"''
::'''Show me again!''': Both of the dances will play again.
::'''The left/right Marowak''': ''"Astounding! It is astounding how wrong you are! Come, Marowak!"''
* After defeating the Marowak (wrong answers)
:''"When you answer incorrectly, my Marowak grow so enraged that they cannot help but attack. Watch once more, carefully this time!"''
::'''The middle Marowak''': ''"B-but how?! That was truly spectacular! And to add to the spectacle... Come, Marowak!"''
* After defeating the Marowak (correct answer)
:''"Marowak was so pleased by your right answer that it simply had to battle you!"''

:''"Onward to the second dance!"''
:''"Watch carefully and memorize this dance."''
:''"What was different from the previous dance?"''
::'''Show me again!''': Both of the dances will play again.
::'''The left/middle/right Marowak''': ''"Astounding! It is astounding how wrong you are! Come, Marowak!"''
* After defeating the Marowak (wrong answers)
:''"When you answer incorrectly, my Marowak grow so enraged that they cannot help but attack. Watch once more, carefully this time!"''
::'''The Hiker''': ''"B-but how?! That was truly spectacular! And to add to the spectacle... Come, my fine Hiker!"''
* After defeating the Hiker (correct answer)
:''"My {{tc|Hiker}} friend was so pleased by your right answer that he simply had to battle you!"''

:''"Onward...to the final dance!"''
:''"Watch carefully and memorize this dance."''
:''"What was different from the previous dance?"''
::'''Show me again!''': Both of the dances will play again.
::'''Regardless of the remaining choices''': ''"B-but how?! That was truly spectacular! And to add to the spectacle... Come, [[Totem Pokémon]]!"''

* After defeating Totem Salazzle
:''"Whoa! S-spectacular! With your keen observations, you were able to see even fine differences in our dances! And you defeated the Totem Pokémon with such ease!"''
:''"The Totem Pokémon was carrying a {{DL|Z-Crystal|Firium Z}}. It is yours now."''
:''"This is how you use the {{type|Fire}} Z-Power!"''
:''"Thank you, my dear Marowak!"''
:''"For when you meet a Pokémon that you would like to make your companion, take these!"''
:''"What's more! You may now use the [[Poké Ride|Ride Pokémon]] {{p|Charizard}}. Charizard will lend you his strength, and you will be able to go anywhere you have been in an instant."''
:''"The Firium Z...you should show it to the Trial Guide outside the captain's barricade at the bottom of the mountain. It is time for us to return to our dance. The feelings of the Alolan people and our Pokémon, and the true nature of Z-Power... The answers lie in our dance! And so we must dance on!"''

;[[Lush Jungle]]
:''"Sorry to keep you waiting."''
:''"I've brought a {{DL|Stat-enhancing item|Thick Club}} and a {{DL|Valuable item|Rare Bone}}."''
:''"Here you are."''
:''"Yes, even back at [[Wela Volcano Park]] my vaunted {{p|Salazzle}} didn't stand a chance."''
:''"If you insist."''
:''"It tastes so good you might melt... No, wait. Is that my tongue that's melting...?"''
:''"Uhhn!"''
:''"S-SPICY!!!"''

;[[Paniola Town]]
:''"Yah! Hoo! Hee! Hyah!"''
:''"Huhn?"''
:''"Oh. It's you, <player>."''
::'''What are you doing?''': ''"This is my fire dance training."''
::'''What was that all about?''': ''"This is my torch staff. When I'm actually performing fire dances, I'll light it on fire."''
:''"Whenever I have free time, I practice my dance as much as I can. It takes a lot of repetition to get good at it...just like [[Pokémon battle]]s."''
:''"Oh, look at the time!"''
:''"Sorry, I know you just got here, but I have to go to the Thrifty Megamart. If you need to talk to me, come meet me there."''

;[[Royal Avenue]]
:''"I see..."''
:''"It's all right. I know how hard you've worked to open this location after the [[Guardian deities|guardian deity]] destroyed the previous one in anger. I understand, boss."''
:''"Thank you very much."''
:''"It's OK, boss. You can head back in now."''
:''"How could this happen...?"''
:''"Oh, it's you, <player>."''
:''"If you don't mind, I'd like to battle you, <player>."''
::'''Just a minute''': ''"I see... I'll be waiting for you here, then."''
::'''Of course''': ''"I don't feel like dancing by myself right now..."''
* When defeated
:''"...I can't beat you if I keep my troubles to myself."''
* After being defeated
:''"So strong... I should've known. You did clear my trial, after all. By the way, did you overhear what we were just talking about?"''
::'''What are you talking about?''': ''"You're too considerate, <player>."''
::'''Yeah, kind of...''': ''"<player>. Yes, of course you did..."''
:''"My dream is to become a professional fire dancer. I've been saving up forever to go study dance abroad. But I was just laid off from my part-time job. It seems like nothing ever goes right..."''
:''"Sorry. I didn't mean to trouble you with my problems, <player>. You're so easy to talk to, though. I feel much better after talking with you. Thank you for being there. I'll be going then. Until we meet again, <player>!"''

===Sprites===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{fire color}}"
|-
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{fire color light}}; width:300px"| [[File:VSKiawe.png|250px]]
|- style="font-size: 80%"
| VS model from {{color2|000|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun and Moon}}
|}

==In the anime==
[[File:Kiawe anime.png|thumb|250px|left|Kiawe in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
{{main|Kiawe (anime)}}
Kiawe debuted in ''[[SM001|Alola to New Adventure!]]''. He is a student at the [[Pokémon School]] of [[Melemele Island]] and one of {{Ash}}'s classmates. He owns a [[Z-Ring]]. He is very gruff compared to his classmates and apparently makes deliveries between islands.

{{-}}
==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="float:left; background:#{{fire color light}}; border:3px solid #{{fire color}}"
|-
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| カキ ''Kaki''
| From 柿 ''kaki'' ({{wp|Diospyros kaki|Asian persimmon}}) and 火気 ''kaki'' (fire)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| English, French, German, Spanish
| Kiawe
| From ''{{wp|Prosopis pallida|kiawe}}'', a species of mesquite tree whose wood is a source of long-lasting firewood and charcoal
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Italian
| Kawe
| Similar to English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 키아웨 ''Kiawe''
| Transliteration of English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 卡奇 ''Kǎqí''
| Transliteration of Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 卡奇 ''Kākèih''
| Transliteration of Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Russian
| Киаве ''Kiave''
| Transcription of English name
|}

{{-}}

==Related articles==
* [[Kiawe (anime)]]

{{Captains and Kahunas of Alola}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Sun and Moon characters]]
[[Category:Fire-type Trainers]]
[[Category:Trial Captains]]
[[Category:Trainers with Key Stones]]
[[Category:Trainers with Z-Rings]]

[[de:Kiawe]]
[[fr:Kiawe]]
[[it:Kawe]]
[[ja:カキ]]
[[pl:Kiawe]]
[[zh:卡奇]]

Kiawe

2016-12-27T10:45:38Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon: /* In the games */

{{CharInfobox
|color={{fire color}}
|corecolor={{fire color light}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|name=Kiawe
|jname=カキ
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|slogan=no
|image=Sun Moon Kiawe.png
|size=200px
|caption=Artwork from Sun and Moon
|gender=Male
|age=yes
|years=11-19{{sup/7|SM}}
|colors=yes
|eyes=Brown
|hair=Brown
|hometown=[[Paniola Town]]
|region=[[Alola]]
|trainer=yes
|trainerclass=[[Trial Captain]]
|game=yes
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|leader=no
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|anime=counterpart
|animecounterpart={{an|Kiawe}}
|epnum=SM001
|epname=Alola to New Adventure!
}}

'''Kiawe''' (Japanese: '''カキ''' ''Kaki'') is a [[Trial Captain]] of [[Alola]]. He [[Type expert|specializes]] in {{type|Fire}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.

==In the games==
Kiawe appears in {{g|Sun and Moon}} as a Trial Captain who provides guidance to trial-goers. Together with his {{p|Marowak}}, he studies the traditional dances of the Alola region. He says that his trials are different from the others and test the [[player]]'s observation. In Kiawe's [[Island challenge|trial]], he asks the [[player]] to identify the difference between two dances.

In Pokémon Sun, after defeating [[Olivia]], the player can find [[Kiawe]] in his room at [[Paniola Town]] during the night. Upon speaking with him, he will immediately leave for the [[Thrifty Megamart]] at [[Royal Avenue]]. Once the [[player]] arrives, [[Kiawe]] will be seen briefly speaking with his boss before requesting for a battle with the [[player]]. After his defeat, he states that he had just been fired from his part-time job, and he mentions his wish to travel to another region to further his studies for dancing. Shortly after telling his story, he will award the [[player]] the Reverent battle style.

===Pokémon===
{{Party/Single
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=VSKiawe.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}3,240
|class=Captain
|classlink=Trial Captain
|name=Kiawe
|game=Su
|location=Royal Avenue
|pokemon=3}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=058
|pokemon=Growlithe
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Intimidate
|move1=Bite|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Fire Fang|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=662
|pokemon=Fletchinder
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Ember|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Peck|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=105
|form=-Alola
|pokemon=Marowak
|level=27
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Ghost
|ability=Cursed Body
|move1=Flame Wheel|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Hex|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Bonemerang|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}
====Battle Tree====
{| style="float:left; text-align:center;"
|-
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|gender=
|type1=Fire
|ability=Intimidate
|ability2=Flash Fire
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=White Herb
|move1=Overheat|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Solar Beam|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Special
|move4=Extreme Speed|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|gender=
|type1=Fire
|ability=Intimidate
|ability2=Flash Fire
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Fightinium Z
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Extreme Speed|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=105
|form=-Alola
|pokemon=Marowak
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Thick Club
|type1=Fire
|type2=Ghost
|ability=Cursed Body
|ability2=Lightning Rod
|move1=Shadow Bone|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Detect|move3type=Fighting|move3cat=Status
|move4=Stomping Tantrum|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=115
|pokemon=Kangaskhan
|gender=female
|type1=Normal
|ability=Early Bird
|ability2=Scrappy
|level=50
|held=Kangaskhanite
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Facade|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|-
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=115
|pokemon=Kangaskhan
|gender=female
|type1=Normal
|ability=Early Bird
|ability2=Scrappy
|level=50
|held=Kangaskhanite
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Double-Edge|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|gender=
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|ability2=Gale Wings
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Focus Sash
|move1=Swords Dance|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flail|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|ability2=Gale Wings
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Brave Bird|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Swords Dance|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=758
|pokemon=Salazzle
|gender=female
|type1=Poison
|type2=Fire
|ability=Corrosion
|ability2=Oblivious
|level=50
|held=Focus Sash
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sludge Bomb|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Nasty Plot|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fake Out|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|-
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=758
|pokemon=Salazzle
|gender=female
|type1=Poison
|type2=Fire
|ability=Corrosion
|ability2=Oblivious
|level=50
|held=Firium Z
|move1=Overheat|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sludge Wave|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Dragon Pulse|move3type=Dragon|move3cat=Special
|move4=Fake Out|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|}
{{-}}

===Quotes===
{{incomplete|section|The first question "Not right now" option}}
===={{pkmn|Sun and Moon}}====
;[[Battle Royal Dome]]
:''"You were on fire during that battle. I hope you bring that fire with you and burn up my trial."''
:''"The name's Kiawe, the Fire captain. You can get to Wela Volcano Park from {{rt|7|Alola}}. I'll be waiting on the peak. If you plan to see your island challenge through to the end, climb to the top with your strongest team!"''

;[[Wela Volcano Park]]
:''"I am Kiawe. My {{p|Marowak}} and I are students of the ancient dances that have been passed down in Alola for generations."''
:''"The trial of Kiawe... You will find that it is a bit different than the trials you have faced to this point, but of course, you will attempt it, right?"''
::'''Not right now''':
::'''Of course!''': ''"My trial will test your powers of observation! There will be a dance...and then another. Your task will be to find the difference between the two. Begin!"''

:''"Watch carefully and memorize this dance."''
:''"What was different from the previous dance?"''
::'''Show me again!''': Both of the dances will play again.
::'''The left/right Marowak''': ''"Astounding! It is astounding how wrong you are! Come, Marowak!"''
* After defeating the Marowak (wrong answers)
:''"When you answer incorrectly, my Marowak grow so enraged that they cannot help but attack. Watch once more, carefully this time!"''
::'''The middle Marowak''': ''"B-but how?! That was truly spectacular! And to add to the spectacle... Come, Marowak!"''
* After defeating the Marowak (correct answer)
:''"Marowak was so pleased by your right answer that it simply had to battle you!"''

:''"Onward to the second dance!"''
:''"Watch carefully and memorize this dance."''
:''"What was different from the previous dance?"''
::'''Show me again!''': Both of the dances will play again.
::'''The left/middle/right Marowak''': ''"Astounding! It is astounding how wrong you are! Come, Marowak!"''
* After defeating the Marowak (wrong answers)
:''"When you answer incorrectly, my Marowak grow so enraged that they cannot help but attack. Watch once more, carefully this time!"''
::'''The Hiker''': ''"B-but how?! That was truly spectacular! And to add to the spectacle... Come, my fine Hiker!"''
* After defeating the Hiker (correct answer)
:''"My {{tc|Hiker}} friend was so pleased by your right answer that he simply had to battle you!"''

:''"Onward...to the final dance!"''
:''"Watch carefully and memorize this dance."''
:''"What was different from the previous dance?"''
::'''Show me again!''': Both of the dances will play again.
::'''Regardless of the remaining choices''': ''"B-but how?! That was truly spectacular! And to add to the spectacle... Come, [[Totem Pokémon]]!"''

* After defeating Totem Salazzle
:''"Whoa! S-spectacular! With your keen observations, you were able to see even fine differences in our dances! And you defeated the Totem Pokémon with such ease!"''
:''"The Totem Pokémon was carrying a {{DL|Z-Crystal|Firium Z}}. It is yours now."''
:''"This is how you use the {{type|Fire}} Z-Power!"''
:''"Thank you, my dear Marowak!"''
:''"For when you meet a Pokémon that you would like to make your companion, take these!"''
:''"What's more! You may now use the [[Poké Ride|Ride Pokémon]] {{p|Charizard}}. Charizard will lend you his strength, and you will be able to go anywhere you have been in an instant."''
:''"The Firium Z...you should show it to the Trial Guide outside the captain's barricade at the bottom of the mountain. It is time for us to return to our dance. The feelings of the Alolan people and our Pokémon, and the true nature of Z-Power... The answers lie in our dance! And so we must dance on!"''

;[[Lush Jungle]]
:''"Sorry to keep you waiting."''
:''"I've brought a {{DL|Stat-enhancing item|Thick Club}} and a {{DL|Valuable item|Rare Bone}}."''
:''"Here you are."''
:''"Yes, even back at [[Wela Volcano Park]] my vaunted {{p|Salazzle}} didn't stand a chance."''
:''"If you insist."''
:''"It tastes so good you might melt... No, wait. Is that my tongue that's melting...?"''
:''"Uhhn!"''
:''"S-SPICY!!!"''

;[[Paniola Town]]
:''"Yah! Hoo! Hee! Hyah!"''
:''"Huhn?"''
:''"Oh. It's you, <player>."''
::'''What are you doing?''': ''"This is my fire dance training."''
::'''What was that all about?''': ''"This is my torch staff. When I'm actually performing fire dances, I'll light it on fire."''
:''"Whenever I have free time, I practice my dance as much as I can. It takes a lot of repetition to get good at it...just like [[Pokémon battle]]s."''
:''"Oh, look at the time!"''
:''"Sorry, I know you just got here, but I have to go to the Thrifty Megamart. If you need to talk to me, come meet me there."''

;[[Royal Avenue]]
:''"I see..."''
:''"It's all right. I know how hard you've worked to open this location after the [[Guardian deities|guardian deity]] destroyed the previous one in anger. I understand, boss."''
:''"Thank you very much."''
:''"It's OK, boss. You can head back in now."''
:''"How could this happen...?"''
:''"Oh, it's you, <player>."''
:''"If you don't mind, I'd like to battle you, <player>."''
::'''Just a minute''': ''"I see... I'll be waiting for you here, then."''
::'''Of course''': ''"I don't feel like dancing by myself right now..."''
* When defeated
:''"...I can't beat you if I keep my troubles to myself."''
* After being defeated
:''"So strong... I should've known. You did clear my trial, after all. By the way, did you overhear what we were just talking about?"''
::'''What are you talking about?''': ''"You're too considerate, <player>."''
::'''Yeah, kind of...''': ''"<player>. Yes, of course you did..."''
:''"My dream is to become a professional fire dancer. I've been saving up forever to go study dance abroad. But I was just laid off from my part-time job. It seems like nothing ever goes right..."''
:''"Sorry. I didn't mean to trouble you with my problems, <player>. You're so easy to talk to, though. I feel much better after talking with you. Thank you for being there. I'll be going then. Until we meet again, <player>!"''

===Sprites===
{| style="margin:auto; text-align:center; {{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{fire color}}"
|-
|style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #{{fire color dark}}; background: #{{fire color light}}; width:300px"| [[File:VSKiawe.png|250px]]
|- style="font-size: 80%"
| VS model from {{color2|000|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun and Moon}}
|}

==In the anime==
[[File:Kiawe anime.png|thumb|250px|left|Kiawe in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
{{main|Kiawe (anime)}}
Kiawe debuted in ''[[SM001|Alola to New Adventure!]]''. He is a student at the [[Pokémon School]] of [[Melemele Island]] and one of {{Ash}}'s classmates. He owns a [[Z-Ring]]. He is very gruff compared to his classmates and apparently makes deliveries between islands.

{{-}}
==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="float:left; background:#{{fire color light}}; border:3px solid #{{fire color}}"
|-
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| カキ ''Kaki''
| From 柿 ''kaki'' ({{wp|Diospyros kaki|Asian persimmon}}) and 火気 ''kaki'' (fire)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| English, French, German, Spanish
| Kiawe
| From ''{{wp|Prosopis pallida|kiawe}}'', a species of mesquite tree whose wood is a source of long-lasting firewood and charcoal
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Italian
| Kawe
| Similar to English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 키아웨 ''Kiawe''
| Transliteration of English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 卡奇 ''Kǎqí''
| Transliteration of Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 卡奇 ''Kākèih''
| Transliteration of Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Russian
| Киаве ''Kiave''
| Transcription of English name
|}

{{-}}

==Related articles==
* [[Kiawe (anime)]]

{{Captains and Kahunas of Alola}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Sun and Moon characters]]
[[Category:Fire-type Trainers]]
[[Category:Trial Captains]]
[[Category:Trainers with Key Stones]]
[[Category:Trainers with Z-Rings]]

[[de:Kiawe]]
[[fr:Kiawe]]
[[it:Kawe]]
[[ja:カキ]]
[[pl:Kiawe]]
[[zh:卡奇]]

Kiawe

2016-12-27T10:35:07Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon: /* In the games */

{{CharInfobox
|color={{fire color}}
|corecolor={{fire color light}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|name=Kiawe
|jname=カキ
|tmname=Kaki
|slogan=no
|image=Sun Moon Kiawe.png
|size=200px
|caption=Artwork from Sun and Moon
|gender=Male
|age=yes
|years=11-19{{sup/7|SM}}
|colors=yes
|eyes=Brown
|hair=Brown
|hometown=[[Paniola Town]]
|region=[[Alola]]
|trainer=yes
|trainerclass=[[Trial Captain]]
|game=yes
|generation={{Gen|VII}}
|games={{pkmn|Sun and Moon}}
|leader=no
|specialist=yes
|type={{t|Fire}} types
|anime=counterpart
|animecounterpart={{an|Kiawe}}
|epnum=SM001
|epname=Alola to New Adventure!
}}

'''Kiawe''' (Japanese: '''カキ''' ''Kaki'') is a [[Trial Captain]] of [[Alola]]. He [[Type expert|specializes]] in {{type|Fire}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.

==In the games==
Kiawe appears in {{g|Sun and Moon}} as a Trial Captain who provides guidance to trial-goers. Together with his {{p|Marowak}}, he studies the traditional dances of the Alola region. He says that his trials are different from the others and test the player's observation. In Kiawe's [[Island challenge|trial]], he asks the player to identify the difference between two dances.

In Pokémon Sun, after defeating Olivia, the player can find Kiawe in his room at Paniola Town during the night. Upon speaking with him, he will immediately leave for the [[Thrifty Megamart]] at [[Royal Avenue]]. Once the player arrives, Kiawe will be seen briefly speaking with his boss before requesting for a battle with the player. After his defeat, he states that he had just been fired from his part-time job, and he mentions his wish to travel to another region to further his studies for dancing. Shortly after telling his story, he will award the player the Reverent battle style.

===Pokémon===
{{Party/Single
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=VSKiawe.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}3,240
|class=Captain
|classlink=Trial Captain
|name=Kiawe
|game=Su
|location=Royal Avenue
|pokemon=3}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=058
|pokemon=Growlithe
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Intimidate
|move1=Bite|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Fire Fang|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=662
|pokemon=Fletchinder
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Ember|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Peck|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=105
|form=-Alola
|pokemon=Marowak
|level=27
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Ghost
|ability=Cursed Body
|move1=Flame Wheel|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Hex|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Bonemerang|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}
====Battle Tree====
{| style="float:left; text-align:center;"
|-
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|gender=
|type1=Fire
|ability=Intimidate
|ability2=Flash Fire
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=White Herb
|move1=Overheat|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Solar Beam|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Special
|move4=Extreme Speed|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|gender=
|type1=Fire
|ability=Intimidate
|ability2=Flash Fire
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Fightinium Z
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Extreme Speed|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=105
|form=-Alola
|pokemon=Marowak
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Thick Club
|type1=Fire
|type2=Ghost
|ability=Cursed Body
|ability2=Lightning Rod
|move1=Shadow Bone|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Detect|move3type=Fighting|move3cat=Status
|move4=Stomping Tantrum|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=115
|pokemon=Kangaskhan
|gender=female
|type1=Normal
|ability=Early Bird
|ability2=Scrappy
|level=50
|held=Kangaskhanite
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Facade|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|-
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=115
|pokemon=Kangaskhan
|gender=female
|type1=Normal
|ability=Early Bird
|ability2=Scrappy
|level=50
|held=Kangaskhanite
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Double-Edge|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|gender=
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|ability2=Gale Wings
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Focus Sash
|move1=Swords Dance|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flail|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|ability2=Gale Wings
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Brave Bird|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Swords Dance|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=758
|pokemon=Salazzle
|gender=female
|type1=Poison
|type2=Fire
|ability=Corrosion
|ability2=Oblivious
|level=50
|held=Focus Sash
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sludge Bomb|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Nasty Plot|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fake Out|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|-
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=758
|pokemon=Salazzle
|gender=female
|type1=Poison
|type2=Fire
|ability=Corrosion
|ability2=Oblivious
|level=50
|held=Firium Z
|move1=Overheat|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sludge Wave|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Dragon Pulse|move3type=Dragon|move3cat=Special
|move4=Fake Out|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|}
{{-}}

===Quotes===
{{incomplete|section|The first question "Not right now" option}}
===={{pkmn|Sun and Moon}}====
;[[Battle Royal Dome]]
:''"You were on fire during that battle. I hope you bring that fire with you and burn up my trial."''
:''"The name's Kiawe, the Fire captain. You can get to Wela Volcano Park from {{rt|7|Alola}}. I'll be waiting on the peak. If you plan to see your island challenge through to the end, climb to the top with your strongest team!"''

;[[Wela Volcano Park]]
:''"I am Kiawe. My {{p|Marowak}} and I are students of the ancient dances that have been passed down in Alola for generations."''
:''"The trial of Kiawe... You will find that it is a bit different than the trials you have faced to this point, but of course, you will attempt it, right?"''
::'''Not right now''':
::'''Of course!''': ''"My trial will test your powers of observation! There will be a dance...and then another. Your task will be to find the difference between the two. Begin!"''

:''"Watch carefully and memorize this dance."''
:''"What was different from the previous dance?"''
::'''Show me again!''': Both of the dances will play again.
::'''The left/right Marowak''': ''"Astounding! It is astounding how wrong you are! Come, Marowak!"''
* After defeating the Marowak (wrong answers)
:''"When you answer incorrectly, my Marowak grow so enraged that they cannot help but attack. Watch once more, carefully this time!"''
::'''The middle Marowak''': ''"B-but how?! That was truly spectacular! And to add to the spectacle... Come, Marowak!"''
* After defeating the Marowak (correct answer)
:''"Marowak was so pleased by your right answer that it simply had to battle you!"''

:''"Onward to the second dance!"''
:''"Watch carefully and memorize this dance."''
:''"What was different from the previous dance?"''
::'''Show me again!''': Both of the dances will play again.
::'''The left/middle/right Marowak''': ''"Astounding! It is astounding how wrong you are! Come, Marowak!"''
* After defeating the Marowak (wrong answers)
:''"When you answer incorrectly, my Marowak grow so enraged that they cannot help but attack. Watch once more, carefully this time!"''
::'''The Hiker''': ''"B-but how?! That was truly spectacular! And to add to the spectacle... Come, my fine Hiker!"''
* After defeating the Hiker (correct answer)
:''"My {{tc|Hiker}} friend was so pleased by your right answer that he simply had to battle you!"''

:''"Onward...to the final dance!"''
:''"Watch carefully and memorize this dance."''
:''"What was different from the previous dance?"''
::'''Show me again!''': Both of the dances will play again.
::'''Regardless of the remaining choices''': ''"B-but how?! That was truly spectacular! And to add to the spectacle... Come, [[Totem Pokémon]]!"''

* After defeating Totem Salazzle
:''"Whoa! S-spectacular! With your keen observations, you were able to see even fine differences in our dances! And you defeated the Totem Pokémon with such ease!"''
:''"The Totem Pokémon was carrying a {{DL|Z-Crystal|Firium Z}}. It is yours now."''
:''"This is how you use the {{type|Fire}} Z-Power!"''
:''"Thank you, my dear Marowak!"''
:''"For when you meet a Pokémon that you would like to make your companion, take these!"''
:''"What's more! You may now use the [[Poké Ride|Ride Pokémon]] {{p|Charizard}}. Charizard will lend you his strength, and you will be able to go anywhere you have been in an instant."''
:''"The Firium Z...you should show it to the Trial Guide outside the captain's barricade at the bottom of the mountain. It is time for us to return to our dance. The feelings of the Alolan people and our Pokémon, and the true nature of Z-Power... The answers lie in our dance! And so we must dance on!"''

;[[Lush Jungle]]
:''"Sorry to keep you waiting."''
:''"I've brought a {{DL|Stat-enhancing item|Thick Club}} and a {{DL|Valuable item|Rare Bone}}."''
:''"Here you are."''
:''"Yes, even back at [[Wela Volcano Park]] my vaunted {{p|Salazzle}} didn't stand a chance."''
:''"If you insist."''
:''"It tastes so good you might melt... No, wait. Is that my tongue that's melting...?"''
:''"Uhhn!"''
:''"S-SPICY!!!"''

;[[Paniola Town]]
:''"Yah! Hoo! Hee! Hyah!"''
:''"Huhn?"''
:''"Oh. It's you, <player>."''
::'''What are you doing?''': ''"This is my fire dance training."''
::'''What was that all about?''': ''"This is my torch staff. When I'm actually performing fire dances, I'll light it on fire."''
:''"Whenever I have free time, I practice my dance as much as I can. It takes a lot of repetition to get good at it...just like [[Pokémon battle]]s."''
:''"Oh, look at the time!"''
:''"Sorry, I know you just got here, but I have to go to the Thrifty Megamart. If you need to talk to me, come meet me there."''

;[[Royal Avenue]]
:''"I see..."''
:''"It's all right. I know how hard you've worked to open this location after the [[Guardian deities|guardian deity]] destroyed the previous one in anger. I understand, boss."''
:''"Thank you very much."''
:''"It's OK, boss. You can head back in now."''
:''"How could this happen...?"''
:''"Oh, it's you, <player>."''
:''"If you don't mind, I'd like to battle you, <player>."''
::'''Just a minute''': ''"I see... I'll be waiting for you here, then."''
::'''Of course''': ''"I don't feel like dancing by myself right now..."''
* When defeated
:''"...I can't beat you if I keep my troubles to myself."''
* After being defeated
:''"So strong... I should've known. You did clear my trial, after all. By the way, did you overhear what we were just talking about?"''
::'''What are you talking about?''': ''"You're too considerate, <player>."''
::'''Yeah, kind of...''': ''"<player>. Yes, of course you did..."''
:''"My dream is to become a professional fire dancer. I've been saving up forever to go study dance abroad. But I was just laid off from my part-time job. It seems like nothing ever goes right..."''
:''"Sorry. I didn't mean to trouble you with my problems, <player>. You're so easy to talk to, though. I feel much better after talking with you. Thank you for being there. I'll be going then. Until we meet again, <player>!"''

===Sprites===
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|-
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|- style="font-size: 80%"
| VS model from {{color2|000|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun and Moon}}
|}

==In the anime==
[[File:Kiawe anime.png|thumb|250px|left|Kiawe in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
{{main|Kiawe (anime)}}
Kiawe debuted in ''[[SM001|Alola to New Adventure!]]''. He is a student at the [[Pokémon School]] of [[Melemele Island]] and one of {{Ash}}'s classmates. He owns a [[Z-Ring]]. He is very gruff compared to his classmates and apparently makes deliveries between islands.

{{-}}
==Names==
{| class="roundy" style="float:left; background:#{{fire color light}}; border:3px solid #{{fire color}}"
|-
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| カキ ''Kaki''
| From 柿 ''kaki'' ({{wp|Diospyros kaki|Asian persimmon}}) and 火気 ''kaki'' (fire)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| English, French, German, Spanish
| Kiawe
| From ''{{wp|Prosopis pallida|kiawe}}'', a species of mesquite tree whose wood is a source of long-lasting firewood and charcoal
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Italian
| Kawe
| Similar to English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 키아웨 ''Kiawe''
| Transliteration of English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 卡奇 ''Kǎqí''
| Transliteration of Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 卡奇 ''Kākèih''
| Transliteration of Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Russian
| Киаве ''Kiave''
| Transcription of English name
|}

{{-}}

==Related articles==
* [[Kiawe (anime)]]

{{Captains and Kahunas of Alola}} 
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Sun and Moon characters]]
[[Category:Fire-type Trainers]]
[[Category:Trial Captains]]
[[Category:Trainers with Key Stones]]
[[Category:Trainers with Z-Rings]]

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|corecolor={{fire color light}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|name=Kiawe
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|image=Sun Moon Kiawe.png
|size=200px
|caption=Artwork from Sun and Moon
|gender=Male
|age=yes
|years=11-19{{sup/7|SM}}
|colors=yes
|eyes=Brown
|hair=Brown
|hometown=[[Paniola Town]]
|region=[[Alola]]
|trainer=yes
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|game=yes
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|leader=no
|specialist=yes
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|anime=counterpart
|animecounterpart={{an|Kiawe}}
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|epname=Alola to New Adventure!
}}

'''Kiawe''' (Japanese: '''カキ''' ''Kaki'') is a [[Trial Captain]] of [[Alola]]. He [[Type expert|specializes]] in {{type|Fire}} {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}.

==In the games==
Kiawe appears in {{g|Sun and Moon}} as a Trial Captain who provides guidance to trial-goers. Together with his {{p|Marowak}}, he studies the traditional dances of the Alola region. He says that his trials are different from the others and test the player's observation. In Kiawe's [[Island challenge|trial]], he asks the player to identify the difference between two dances.

In Pokémon Sun, after defeating Olivia, the player can find Kiawe in his room at Paniola Town during the night. Upon speaking with him, he will immediately leave for the [[Thrifty Megamart]] at Royal Avenue. Once the player arrives, Kiawe will be seen briefly speaking with his boss before requesting for a battle with the player. After his defeat, he states that he had just been fired from his part-time job, and he mentions his wish to travel to another region to further his studies for dancing. Shortly after telling his story, he will award the player the Reverent battle style.

===Pokémon===
{{Party/Single
|color={{fire color}}
|bordercolor={{fire color dark}}
|headcolor={{fire color light}}
|sprite=VSKiawe.png
|size=150px
|prize={{pdollar}}3,240
|class=Captain
|classlink=Trial Captain
|name=Kiawe
|game=Su
|location=Royal Avenue
|pokemon=3}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=058
|pokemon=Growlithe
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Intimidate
|move1=Bite|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Fire Fang|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=662
|pokemon=Fletchinder
|level=26
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|move1=Ember|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Peck|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=105
|form=-Alola
|pokemon=Marowak
|level=27
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Ghost
|ability=Cursed Body
|move1=Flame Wheel|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Hex|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
|move3=Bonemerang|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}
====Battle Tree====
{| style="float:left; text-align:center;"
|-
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|gender=
|type1=Fire
|ability=Intimidate
|ability2=Flash Fire
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=White Herb
|move1=Overheat|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Solar Beam|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Special
|move4=Extreme Speed|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|gender=
|type1=Fire
|ability=Intimidate
|ability2=Flash Fire
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Fightinium Z
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Extreme Speed|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=105
|form=-Alola
|pokemon=Marowak
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Thick Club
|type1=Fire
|type2=Ghost
|ability=Cursed Body
|ability2=Lightning Rod
|move1=Shadow Bone|move1type=Ghost|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Detect|move3type=Fighting|move3cat=Status
|move4=Stomping Tantrum|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=115
|pokemon=Kangaskhan
|gender=female
|type1=Normal
|ability=Early Bird
|ability2=Scrappy
|level=50
|held=Kangaskhanite
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Facade|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Rock Slide|move3type=Rock|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|-
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=115
|pokemon=Kangaskhan
|gender=female
|type1=Normal
|ability=Early Bird
|ability2=Scrappy
|level=50
|held=Kangaskhanite
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Double-Edge|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|gender=
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|ability2=Gale Wings
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Focus Sash
|move1=Swords Dance|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flail|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=663
|pokemon=Talonflame
|type1=Fire
|type2=Flying
|ability=Flame Body
|ability2=Gale Wings
|level=50
|gender=both
|held=Sitrus Berry
|move1=Brave Bird|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Swords Dance|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Status}}
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=758
|pokemon=Salazzle
|gender=female
|type1=Poison
|type2=Fire
|ability=Corrosion
|ability2=Oblivious
|level=50
|held=Focus Sash
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sludge Bomb|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Nasty Plot|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Status
|move4=Fake Out|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|-
|
{{Pokémon/7
|ndex=758
|pokemon=Salazzle
|gender=female
|type1=Poison
|type2=Fire
|ability=Corrosion
|ability2=Oblivious
|level=50
|held=Firium Z
|move1=Overheat|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sludge Wave|move2type=Poison|move2cat=Special
|move3=Dragon Pulse|move3type=Dragon|move3cat=Special
|move4=Fake Out|move4type=Normal|move4cat=Physical}}
|}
{{-}}

===Quotes===
{{incomplete|section|The first question "Not right now" option}}
===={{pkmn|Sun and Moon}}====
;[[Battle Royal Dome]]
:''"You were on fire during that battle. I hope you bring that fire with you and burn up my trial."''
:''"The name's Kiawe, the Fire captain. You can get to Wela Volcano Park from {{rt|7|Alola}}. I'll be waiting on the peak. If you plan to see your island challenge through to the end, climb to the top with your strongest team!"''

;[[Wela Volcano Park]]
:''"I am Kiawe. My {{p|Marowak}} and I are students of the ancient dances that have been passed down in Alola for generations."''
:''"The trial of Kiawe... You will find that it is a bit different than the trials you have faced to this point, but of course, you will attempt it, right?"''
::'''Not right now''':
::'''Of course!''': ''"My trial will test your powers of observation! There will be a dance...and then another. Your task will be to find the difference between the two. Begin!"''

:''"Watch carefully and memorize this dance."''
:''"What was different from the previous dance?"''
::'''Show me again!''': Both of the dances will play again.
::'''The left/right Marowak''': ''"Astounding! It is astounding how wrong you are! Come, Marowak!"''
* After defeating the Marowak (wrong answers)
:''"When you answer incorrectly, my Marowak grow so enraged that they cannot help but attack. Watch once more, carefully this time!"''
::'''The middle Marowak''': ''"B-but how?! That was truly spectacular! And to add to the spectacle... Come, Marowak!"''
* After defeating the Marowak (correct answer)
:''"Marowak was so pleased by your right answer that it simply had to battle you!"''

:''"Onward to the second dance!"''
:''"Watch carefully and memorize this dance."''
:''"What was different from the previous dance?"''
::'''Show me again!''': Both of the dances will play again.
::'''The left/middle/right Marowak''': ''"Astounding! It is astounding how wrong you are! Come, Marowak!"''
* After defeating the Marowak (wrong answers)
:''"When you answer incorrectly, my Marowak grow so enraged that they cannot help but attack. Watch once more, carefully this time!"''
::'''The Hiker''': ''"B-but how?! That was truly spectacular! And to add to the spectacle... Come, my fine Hiker!"''
* After defeating the Hiker (correct answer)
:''"My {{tc|Hiker}} friend was so pleased by your right answer that he simply had to battle you!"''

:''"Onward...to the final dance!"''
:''"Watch carefully and memorize this dance."''
:''"What was different from the previous dance?"''
::'''Show me again!''': Both of the dances will play again.
::'''Regardless of the remaining choices''': ''"B-but how?! That was truly spectacular! And to add to the spectacle... Come, [[Totem Pokémon]]!"''

* After defeating Totem Salazzle
:''"Whoa! S-spectacular! With your keen observations, you were able to see even fine differences in our dances! And you defeated the Totem Pokémon with such ease!"''
:''"The Totem Pokémon was carrying a {{DL|Z-Crystal|Firium Z}}. It is yours now."''
:''"This is how you use the {{type|Fire}} Z-Power!"''
:''"Thank you, my dear Marowak!"''
:''"For when you meet a Pokémon that you would like to make your companion, take these!"''
:''"What's more! You may now use the [[Poké Ride|Ride Pokémon]] {{p|Charizard}}. Charizard will lend you his strength, and you will be able to go anywhere you have been in an instant."''
:''"The Firium Z...you should show it to the Trial Guide outside the captain's barricade at the bottom of the mountain. It is time for us to return to our dance. The feelings of the Alolan people and our Pokémon, and the true nature of Z-Power... The answers lie in our dance! And so we must dance on!"''

;[[Lush Jungle]]
:''"Sorry to keep you waiting."''
:''"I've brought a {{DL|Stat-enhancing item|Thick Club}} and a {{DL|Valuable item|Rare Bone}}."''
:''"Here you are."''
:''"Yes, even back at [[Wela Volcano Park]] my vaunted {{p|Salazzle}} didn't stand a chance."''
:''"If you insist."''
:''"It tastes so good you might melt... No, wait. Is that my tongue that's melting...?"''
:''"Uhhn!"''
:''"S-SPICY!!!"''

;[[Paniola Town]]
:''"Yah! Hoo! Hee! Hyah!"''
:''"Huhn?"''
:''"Oh. It's you, <player>."''
::'''What are you doing?''': ''"This is my fire dance training."''
::'''What was that all about?''': ''"This is my torch staff. When I'm actually performing fire dances, I'll light it on fire."''
:''"Whenever I have free time, I practice my dance as much as I can. It takes a lot of repetition to get good at it...just like [[Pokémon battle]]s."''
:''"Oh, look at the time!"''
:''"Sorry, I know you just got here, but I have to go to the Thrifty Megamart. If you need to talk to me, come meet me there."''

;[[Royal Avenue]]
:''"I see..."''
:''"It's all right. I know how hard you've worked to open this location after the [[Guardian deities|guardian deity]] destroyed the previous one in anger. I understand, boss."''
:''"Thank you very much."''
:''"It's OK, boss. You can head back in now."''
:''"How could this happen...?"''
:''"Oh, it's you, <player>."''
:''"If you don't mind, I'd like to battle you, <player>."''
::'''Just a minute''': ''"I see... I'll be waiting for you here, then."''
::'''Of course''': ''"I don't feel like dancing by myself right now..."''
* When defeated
:''"...I can't beat you if I keep my troubles to myself."''
* After being defeated
:''"So strong... I should've known. You did clear my trial, after all. By the way, did you overhear what we were just talking about?"''
::'''What are you talking about?''': ''"You're too considerate, <player>."''
::'''Yeah, kind of...''': ''"<player>. Yes, of course you did..."''
:''"My dream is to become a professional fire dancer. I've been saving up forever to go study dance abroad. But I was just laid off from my part-time job. It seems like nothing ever goes right..."''
:''"Sorry. I didn't mean to trouble you with my problems, <player>. You're so easy to talk to, though. I feel much better after talking with you. Thank you for being there. I'll be going then. Until we meet again, <player>!"''

===Sprites===
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| VS model from {{color2|000|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Sun and Moon}}
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==In the anime==
[[File:Kiawe anime.png|thumb|250px|left|Kiawe in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
{{main|Kiawe (anime)}}
Kiawe debuted in ''[[SM001|Alola to New Adventure!]]''. He is a student at the [[Pokémon School]] of [[Melemele Island]] and one of {{Ash}}'s classmates. He owns a [[Z-Ring]]. He is very gruff compared to his classmates and apparently makes deliveries between islands.

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==Names==
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! Language
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|- style="background:#FFF"
| Japanese
| カキ ''Kaki''
| From 柿 ''kaki'' ({{wp|Diospyros kaki|Asian persimmon}}) and 火気 ''kaki'' (fire)
|- style="background:#FFF"
| English, French, German, Spanish
| Kiawe
| From ''{{wp|Prosopis pallida|kiawe}}'', a species of mesquite tree whose wood is a source of long-lasting firewood and charcoal
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Italian
| Kawe
| Similar to English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Korean
| 키아웨 ''Kiawe''
| Transliteration of English name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 卡奇 ''Kǎqí''
| Transliteration of Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Chinese ({{tt|Cantonese|Hong Kong}})
| 卡奇 ''Kākèih''
| Transliteration of Japanese name
|- style="background:#FFF"
| Russian
| Киаве ''Kiave''
| Transcription of English name
|}

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* [[Kiawe (anime)]]

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[[Category:Fire-type Trainers]]
[[Category:Trial Captains]]
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== Continued from my questions ==

Sorrry, I couldn't find the archived talk where I originally posted this. Anyway, why can't the Generation VI sprites just be treated like 120 by 120 still images? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 18:43, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:The archive is [[User talk:SnorlaxMonster/Archive/8|here]]. You can find it by mousing over "Pokémon" in the template at the top of the page (maybe I should make that clearer).
:Anyway, there are no sprites in Gen VI, only models. Models just don't work the same way, so we decided to use artwork instead. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:35, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

== Anime ordering ==

Hi, I saw [[User:SnorlaxMonster/Anime ordering]] and I would suggest that you check out this (not made by me): https://github.com/mal/pokemon/blob/gh-pages/data/anime.md --[[User:PannenkoekenNL|PannenkoekenNL]] ([[User talk:PannenkoekenNL|talk]]) 13:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
:We already have the air dates on Bulbapedia. Having a list of them isn't really helpful in constructing that page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::It's in chronological order, not only the air dates.--[[User:PannenkoekenNL|PannenkoekenNL]] ([[User talk:PannenkoekenNL|talk]]) 06:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

== Super Mystery Dungeon Move Descriptions ==

I'm planning to begin adding Super Mystery Dungeon's move descriptions to each of the move pages. However, each move has two separate descriptions, one on the move's basic info box, and another one that goes into more detail if needed, and I'd like your opinion (others are welcome too) on which should be used before I start. Most of the time, they're either the same or they managed to fit the most important details fit into the shorter one, but occasionally not; for example, Stockpile's short description doesn't mention its Defense/Sp. Defense raising effect. I've included example images of Stockpile and three others in this [http://imgur.com/a/x3e8U imgur album]–Feint (expanded detail example), Extrasensory (where the 'short' one is actually longer), and Splash (another 'expanded detail' one, but both have a fair amount of fluff). There have been a few descriptions added already (mainly starter moves) and they've all used the short one, but I wanted to make sure I'm doing the most desirable thing before I put the effort into documenting them all. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 00:57, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:I don't really know. I haven't played Super Mystery Dungeon or very much of Gates to Infinity, so I haven't really helped with their coverage. In the older Mystery Dungeon games there are two descriptions for items (one very short, one full length), and I had been using the full-length descriptions on item pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::I see. I'm not familiar with the older Mystery Dungeon games, so it's interesting that something similar existed there. I noticed earlier today while working on the item pages that the people who had been editing those pages had been using the short descriptions for SMD, though in most cases those descriptions are very similar. That said, after looking at the entries for old games and comparing them to the SMD ones, it looks like the full-length ones were used for the old games, and more information than I thought was being lost with the shorter ones, so I think I'll go with the full-length ones. Thanks for answering! [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 04:27, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Just to chime in, I've been using the long descriptions for the items I've been editing. At first, I wasn't aware of the short version so while I was editing I was confused about where people had gotten a different item description than me, so I changed them. I only realised later, but I've stuck to the long ones for now, but many of the item descriptions haven't been reverted to the long version. I agree that going for the long one has less risk of losing information.--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(토크)''']] 08:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Ah, I didn't realize that, so thanks for the heads up. I'll probably be doing more SMD additions today, so I'll be sure to double-check the Health Drink page (where I made those edits) first. [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 15:42, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

== Struggle and recoil ==

UPC says that Struggle does not have recoil damage from Gen IV onward, and every other effect we have that affects recoil does not affect the self-inflicted HP loss from Struggle. And Struggle's effect contradicts our definition of recoil, as it is not depending on the damage dealt. Struggle's description never says recoil, and the in-game description does not call it recoil. So I could only imagine you mean/checked the message, and that that's just the standard recoil message that says "recoil"? In which case, I guess we should separate Struggle recoil from any other recoil, and just say that Struggle is also said to have recall, even though it... hasn't. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:14, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:When you use Struggle in battle, it says "''<Pokémon> was damaged by the recoil''", just like every other recoil move. Its recoil damage is calculated in a different way to other recoil moves (except {{m|Shadow End}}) and it's not affected by Abilities that affect other recoil moves, but the game calls it recoil so that's what it is. Struggle is clearly a special-case move, so I think it being an exception to these effects makes perfect sense.
:It's also worth noting that the move descriptions for recoil moves are worded the same way as Struggle's (not that you can ever see Struggle's move description in-game). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::Ok, fair point. Well, technically, it isn't the same recoil than the others; so Rock Head's description, for example, is either refering to specifically the non-Struggle "recoil" variant, or does only refer to "some" recoil it can protect from. Does that mean that you think we should do what I just proposed, or do you think we should redefine our recoil definition (and make a special case for Struggle post-GenIII)?
::Worth noting that {{m|Overheat}} and its variations also mention "recoil" in their descriptions. Would you prefer to include that on the page? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:37, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Ability descriptions tend to try to be very concise because they don't have much room (particularly in older games). Struggle is an exception, but Ability descriptions don't tend to note exceptions; the Shadow moves that inflict recoil are also both exceptions to Rock Head. Also, Struggle calculated recoil damage the same way as other recoil moves did in Gen III, but it still wasn't affected by Rock Head.
:::I don't think Overheat is referring to the same concept (notably it doesn't say "recoil ''damage''", just "recoil"). I wouldn't be surprised if the description didn't consistently use the word used for recoil damage across languages (although it might anyway).
:::As for what to do, my suggestion would be to fix the recoil page to correct the definition of recoil. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Descriptions seem to be consistent across languages (checked Japanese and German). I guess the concepts may be related (negative effect of using a move), but they obviously aren't all the same. Anyway, our description says it's damage, as does the pokemon.com glossary that we encountered at Multi Battle.
::::I'll be redefining then, if you don't mind. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:58, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::Not that it matters anymore since we seem to have reached a consensus, but that page also says ''Struggle also causes recoil damage equal to 25% of the attacking Pokémon's maximum HP.'' --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:08, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Ok, even better then. And I guess one just cannot share ''too'' much relevant information in any constructive discussion. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:30, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

==Edit war==
Can you check this edit war about the order moves should be listed: [[User_talk:VioletPumpkin#ORAS order]]. [[User:Jeangabin666|Jeangabin666]] ([[User talk:Jeangabin666|talk]]) 17:06, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

== [[Ash's Donphan]] trivium intervention request ==

If it's not too much trouble, could I ask you to please take a look at the last few revisions of [[Ash's Donphan]] and give your opinion? I'd like a ruling from someone higher up so I don't have to go back and forth with Force Fire on a talk page, since frankly in the past few weeks he seems to have developed a vendetta against me. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:06, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
:I agree that the previous trivium was both vague and too specific (although those terms seem contradictory). I think [[Special:Diff/2493233|this edit]] brings it to a reasonable point. I'm not sure about restricting it to just Oak's lab though: Charizard's return from Charific Valley was certainly in the same spirit.; it also excludes Pokémon the Series: Black and White, in which Ash effectively has more than 6 Pokémon on hand by rotating them between his party and Juniper's lab. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
::I was about to come here and say "never mind" after seeing that Force Fire re-adjusted it, but yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. Thanks. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:48, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Go Pokedex Data ==

Are we going to add pokedex data for Pokemon from Pokemon GO ? [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:06, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
: I was planning on adding the data, but wanted to confirm and know where the data gets added [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 12:07, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
::The Pokédex entries are all taken from Omega Ruby, so there's no point listing them again. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:08, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

== Stadium 2 Pokédex data ==

I am fairly sure Stadium 2 does not have its own entries. It loads Generation II entries; in case of Gold and Silver it seems to load the opposite version's (Crystal uses Gold's, apparently); using Red seems to load Gold's, Yellow has Silver's; haven't checked Blue yet. I am not sure if it depends on the game version or it randomizes for each Trainer ID (considering Crystal loads Gold's, even though Stadium 2 and Crystal had simultaneous release in Japan, so was it a translation thing?) [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:02, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
:I believe you've mentioned this before. In any case, there's not much to do about it until we actually know how it gets them. It's also worth noting that [[Pikachu (Pokémon)#Pokédex entries_3|our article for Pikachu]] has different capitalizations for "Berries" between Gold and Stadium 2. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:21, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
::I think I've mentioned it few years ago. I am mentioning it again because GO's case reminded me of it. Pikachu entry is the same in both games - it is BERRIES and not Berries or berries. The old games formatted certain words like this (it wasn't dropped entirely until Generation V as far as I know). [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 13:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I figured there was an error on that page and it wasn't an actual difference. I have to focus on the Nintendo Direct now though, and I'm quite busy with other IRL stuff, so this isn't something I'm concerned about right now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:38, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

== Uploading images in Bulbagarden Archives ==

Hi. I am recently contributing on Pokemon Adventures articles -- mostly with Vietnamese translation. I notice that there are missing covers for some volumes and would love to contribute by uploading/adding cover pictures of these volumes, but then Bulbagarden Archives stated that I am not an autoconfirmed user there so I cannot really do that. But since that place is a place to add pictures (it seems so to me, sorry if I am wrong), what should I do to become an autoconfirmed user there? Thank you very much for your time and I am sorry if this bothers you. [[User:Saphir|Saphir]] ([[User talk:Saphir|talk]]) 10:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

== Inquiry on news article deletion... ==

I've started [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/question-about-a-deleted-article.219095/ a thread] on your deletion of the article I started on the Special Sun & Moon Edition Light Blue 2DS, and have mentioned the deletion as unfair. $aturn¥oshi said that I should inquire with you. - '''''[[User:LDEJRuff|LDE]][[User talk:LDEJRuff|JRuff]]''''' 16:33, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
:I saw the thread, and I don't get it. I gave you my reason for deleting the page, which based on the thread you have seen. Why do you think that was unfair? (I should note that I did appreciate the effort you put into the article, but there's a certain minimum timeliness we need for covering news.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 23:07, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

== Effect sections etc. ==

This is a bunch of things, but I'll try to keep this short. I would kindly ask you to answer the first question, and I would appreciate if you took some time to answer any of the others, too.
# Do you believe that it would be worth the effort/time to go through all "Effect" sections (or those of moves) in an attempt to standardize them better? (That's not a leading question!)
# I've been creating [[User:Nescientist/Effect section guideline|this]], and I believe that's what it should ''ideally'' be. (It's delibarately non-strict for some aspects, but it still seems incompatible with the current state of Effect sections sometimes.) Eridanus notified me he [[User_talk:SnorlaxMonster/Archive/7#Moves_articles|talked to you]] earlier, so if there's any go-to guy, it might be you. Do you agree?
# What's the current guidelines that are implicitly in effect? (I hope you get what I mean.)
# I intend to edit some Effect sections in the near future (if you're interested and not already aware, you could check Tiddlywinks' talk). So I've been thinking I could try to simultaneously standardize/simplify them better. If the "current guidelines" are not the "ideal" ones, which ones should I use? (I guess this question might be question 1 actually, and sneakily asks for some coordination/assistance. ''If'' there's plans/desire to change "current" to "ideal" for move effects, now might be a good opportunity.)

Additionally, while I'm here, could I ask you to possibly reply [[Bulbapedia talk:Project ItemDex#Item template inclusion|over here]] (you're listed as a contact)? It's not a top priority, and I won't start a lengthy discussion if you just don't know, but I would like to ensure this didn't simply go unnoticed. Thanks! [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:36, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

== Policy question regarding mid-generation egg move parent updates on Pokémon pages ==

Recently, an edit was made on {{p|Alomomola}} that (correctly) added Corsola as a possible parent to pass Endure. Corsola could not learn Endure by level up until B2W2, but by checking Alomomola's Gen V learnset page, I saw that Corsola was not listed as a possible parent there, nor is it listed in the Gen V learnset page of most other Pokémon it could pass its 'new' B2W2 moves to. A similar situation arose with ORAS, where many Pokémon became new potential parents of some moves, but only some pages added them. As you know, the move pages have split columns to better note things like this, but the by breeding sections on the species pages do not. Since I couldn't find information on the correct way to handle this, and because I'd like to help keep things consistent, I'd like to ask if you know what the correct way is (either including the new parents, not including them, or something else)? Thanks! [[User:VioletPumpkin|VioletPumpkin]] ([[User talk:VioletPumpkin|talk]]) 16:57, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

== Moves that power up ==

Could you align the category's wording and the moves that are in that category (one way or the other)? You may or may not be aware, but doubling in damage is not ''exactly'' doubling in power. And you may or may not be aware of [[User:Nescientist/Damage|this]], where I've also been collecting info like that. If I knew what the deal was, I'd be willing to help (also see the above section). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:33, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:Could you go through and correct the wordings of appropriate moves to either "power" or "damage"? (Or just pick one, as you seem to be suggesting I do.) You're clearly much more familiar with the distinction than I am. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:59, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::The wording you just added was fine. (And I plan to go through all of them at some point.) It's just that the category "Moves that power up" currently says they "increase in base power". I was wondering if that wording should be changed, or whether the moves that actually double ''in damage'' should be in another category or something. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:07, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::If the moves are more accurately described as ''increasing in damage'' than ''increasing in power'', then please change that; I don't know which it is. If you know which applies for each move, then I think splitting the category into those two would be reasonable. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:40, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks, then let's stick to "Moves that power up" only including moves that are most accurately described as increasing in power; I will edit your additions where appropiate. For those moves that most accurately increase in damage, I believe Tiddlywinks might have had something in mind for the future, so I will not create a new category for now. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:26, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::Keep in mind that there were already moves in "Moves that power up" that were equivalent to the moves I added, such as {{m|Gust}} and {{m|Twister}}.
:::::I don't get why you're categorizing {{m|Stored Power}} as both variable power and a move that powers up: what is different about it to all the other moves? It's the only move in the "Moves with variable power" category that has a fixed power (i.e. not — in-game).
:::::I think you may as well categorize them now, so we don't have to go find them again later whenever Tiddlywinks wants to make his new category. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:27, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::Ah, that's what made you add it to the others!? I don't know why Tiddlywinks added them; I presume he was just mistaken when he did (as he ''explicitly'' didn't add Earthquake). I didn't see them when I checked; I will remove those.
::::::For Stored Power, Tiddlywinks might have added "Moves with variable power" for a technical reason: it's a trigger that modifies its ''power'' (see [http://www.smogon.com/bw/articles/bw_complete_damage_formula here]). You added the "powers up" because it gets greater than advertised. I've kinda said to Tiddlywinks that I'd prefer to go that label-route; but I also don't like to ''undo'' what others have done without their consent (if it's a debatable thing).
::::::For the category, I'm gonna create it once I can come up with an idea for its name. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:20, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Now I recall/know: Tiddlywinks wasn't in error, Gust and Twister apparently technically ''do'' work differently than Earthquake etc. I've reworded their prose. (They work like Earthquake, Magnitude, Surf and Whirlpool have worked in the past; I edited their prose as well and also added them to the category.)
:::::::And on Stored Power, you were right; if Gust isn't variable power, neither is Stored Power.
:::::::And if it's ok, I would like to wait for the category until I/we get to more/all moves; for now, it's just Earthquake, Magnitude, Surf and Whirlpool, and the complete list of "increases damage (directly)" is on my user page already (well, hopefully). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 21:38, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::{{m|Stored Power}} is not (or was not, I'll go back to it in a moment) the only move in {{cat|Moves that have variable power}} with a numeric power value, {{m|Water Spout}} has it as well and would probably be a terrible fit for moves that "power up". IMO, moves that power up should basically be something that's either "X" power (normally) or "X*mult" power (in most cases *2, but the multiplier itself should not really ''vary''). I consider moves like {{m|Rollout}} and {{m|Fury Cutter}} close enough because they "power up" with successive uses, building very steadily/reliably. Stored Power's power '''varies''' based on however many stat stages the target has. You could use Stored Power for the first time and you might get its base power or its base power times 2 or 3 or 43; to me, that's very much "variable". Stored Power does not at all fit an image of a move that's "powering up" IMO. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:46, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I forgot, but it seems you (SnorlaxMonster) also wanted to sort out these categories "neatly" so you could use them on {{a|Forewarn}}. If it weren't for {{m|Eruption}} and Water Spout, I'd be happy to agree with you, but it's ''very'' hard to reasonably exclude them from a category for "variable power". I was a little unhappy that it couldn't be that neat myself, but I also consider it more valuable to actually have a place where the moves that can truly have varying power can all be found together. I think if we want a category for only physical/special moves with "—" for power, that should perhaps be something like ''Moves that do not have a fixed power''. On the other hand, though, if the table on Forewarn is going to list all the applicable moves anyway, then linking to a category/categories is probably kind of pointless anyway; you can just describe them as "Moves that have a power of '—'" without actually losing anything vital. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:50, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::There was another reason (strange factor); had I known, I wouldn't have removed it. Anyway, just focusing on Stored Power, I still feel like "higher than the label says" might be "powered up" (and it uses ''the user's'' stat stages). Unless I'm mistaken, that's the case for all moves that power up, but not for any other move. Unless they're meant to be mutually exclusive, I would suggest we include both.
::::::::::The new power page looks splendid! (No, really!) Unless someone's faster, I would be taking care of Gen VI Abilities and moves within the next days. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 01:09, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::What I basically meant the "power up" category for was for moves that have a binary condition: multiplier or none. The core of these is very much the things like {{m|Pursuit}}, {{m|Acrobatics}}, {{m|Smelling Salts}}. Rollout and Fury Cutter are a moderate extension therefrom. But Stored Power is very different from these. And "variable power" is basically "the rest".
:::::::::::And it really should be one category or the other. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:39, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::I think the only reasonable way to divide moves between "powering up"/"powering down" and "having variable power" is to split based on whether or not the move has a fixed base power. Anything else and we're getting too subjective. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
{{indent}}I think there's ''something'' valuable in that "subjectivity" that that strict division doesn't allow for. (In part, like I said before, the division you want is really better described like "moves without a fixed power". "Variable" inherently ''invites'' subjective judgement. Better to use something less ambiguous if that's what you really want.) {{m|Magnitude}} is a very interesting case: it normally has variable power, but can also receive a 2x modifier, so a strict division between the current categories wouldn't allow both effects to be noted.

I'll propose this instead: Moves that power up should be a category '''only''' for moves ''exactly'' like {{m|Pursuit}} and {{m|Acrobatics}}: they double in power under a specific condition and never go any higher (i.e., no Rollout/Fury Cutter, no Echoed Voice, no Pledges). (Maybe it would be called something else too, if it's going to be so strictly defined.) Then, ''everything'' else goes under "Moves with variable power", and "Moves that power up" is categorized under that as well. The only possible hitch here is, it may be weird if Magnitude is categorized both as having "variable power" and "powering up", if powering up is itself a subclass of variable power. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:49, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
:Wouldn't a category with Pursuit but without the Pledges be pointless?
:I think we only really need the {{tt|categories|I think we don't actually have to have multiple ones, but we should anyway}} for the [[power]] page. In my opinion, "Power up" should be meant to be for those that have a "standard" case but can power up, "variable"/"{{tt|varying|probably better, taken from Magnitude description — it's weird to have "Moves that have variable power" listed under "Variable-power moves"}}" (an unrelated category) for those that do not. How to define what a standard case is in an objective manner is tricky (on the other hand, we do not ''need'' to define that strictly, I guess).
:In my mind, moves with multiple standard cases ({{m|Magnitude}}, {{m|Present}}) and those with a continuous scale ({{m|Eruption}}, {{m|Reversal}}, {{m|Crush Grip}}) are "varying" (that's some kind of definition already, I guess). {{m|Rollout}} and {{m|Magnitude}} should be in both. For {{m|Punishment}}, {{m|Spit Up}} and {{m|Stored Power}}, I don't really care — they could be in either, or both. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

== Parental Bond Information ==

So, I tested out how Parental Bond works in the main series games, in Generation VI specifically. I tested to see if it did or did not work with moves with a charging turn such as Fly and Solar Beam, via Double Battles, and found that they do not synergize. I feel that you should add this information to the article of Parental Bond, because I cannot. --[[User:KibiaXI|KibiaXI]] ([[User talk:KibiaXI|talk]]) 07:41, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
:It is already on the page. "''Moves with a charging turn only strike once, even if the Pokémon becomes fully charged in one turn (such as with a Power Herb).''" --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:47, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Apologies for bugging you at this ungodly hour for a matter that isn't of necessity. Still, I feel as if links should be given to some moves for example, as the link's blue coloring makes it easier to spot, and it would help elaborate further. Thank you for your time.--[[User:KibiaXI|KibiaXI]] ([[User talk:KibiaXI|talk]]) 08:10, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
:::It's not an "ungodly hour" for me in Australia, it was late afternoon/evening. I agree, so I've added ''(such as Fly and Solar Beam)''. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:04, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

== Why did you readd this in obedience? Your edit summary just ends abruptly. ==

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Badge&diff=2527666&oldid=2522856 [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 00:18, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

== Hiya ==

Not to be a pest, but could you please add Kommo-o to the Pseudo legendary page? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 03:17, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

== Health drink french page ==

Why did Bulbabot re-added [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Health_drink&oldid=2552492&diff=prev this] after I removed it? This is wrong, the page it links to is the french page of [[Lookalike_Item#Mix_Elixir]]. [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 08:55, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
:BulbaBot synchronizes the links between the different language wikis. If you want BulbaBot to stop doing that, you need to remove the link from the French wiki (which I have just done). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:03, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
::Exactly what I thought ! Thanks ! [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 09:09, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

==Game Locations==
Something that has been bugging me is the [[Regional variant]] and how this affects the Game locations area of the pages for the Pokémon who have Alola variants and how I think they need minor improvements to help make it easier for people to understand that information on finding that Pokémon is not for the original version, but for the Alola version which would therefore require trade. The biggest issue regards the original Raichu, Exeggutor, and Marowak as none of them can be found without trading as it is impossible evolve into those forms in Sun and Moon. Doesn't need to be dealt with now, but I do think it should be in the future. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 03:28, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== Pokemon Go South Asia ==

Should information about the Release of Pokemon GO be added to the ''Games'' section of the ''Pokémon in South Asia'' page??? If yes, then that info will have to be added by an administrator... → [[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 15:27, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

== Toyland ==

I am going t recreate the Toyland article but first, is Toyland the world rumble blast is set in or a specific area? [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 06:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
:If you don't know the answer to that question, you might not be the best person to create the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
::It's fine, I just found out now that is the world rumble blast takes place in. [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 06:39, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

== Pasting from other articles ==

Sorry if I'm bothering you but is copying and pasting from other articles on this site OK?
oops I forgot to sign [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 11:13, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
:It is acceptable to use content directly from other Bulbapedia articles in Bulbapedia articles, but make sure you credit the source article in your edit summary. However, it is not acceptable to use content taken from other fansites. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:17, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

== My edit ==

What was wrong with my edit for the Pokémon sun and moon section of the Pokémon 20th anniversary page? [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 17:58, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
:Edit: Nevermind, It's just a restructuring of my edit.

== New pages notability ==

I was wondering, imagine some very abstract Bulbapedia editor is dreaming of (high-quality) mainspace articles on subjects such as
* Nebby,
* Aura (game mechanic, the UB and Totem thing),
* Confusion (status condition; just imagine there'd be a whole lotta details),
* Affection (may be a possibility to intersect Amie and Refresh),
* Template:ZMoveInfobox (in a similar vein to {{de|Perfektes Pika-Projektil|how the German wiki handles that}}),
* Target,
* anything, in general/by extension,
and that they're also able and willing to provide at least one of that, but they'd like to avoid putting in work for articles that turn out to be either unnotable or userspace endlessly, what would they be supposed to do? Asking for a friend, of course. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 12:29, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
:Normally, if there's a topic of questionably notability, I like to build it in the userspace to establish notability (although I do have a lot of pages that are intended for mainspace but have sat in my userspace for ages). If you can build a detailed page in the userspace that's not just full of fluff and within scope (i.e. related to Pokémon), it's unlikely to get rejected. (Fun fact: Confusion is on a list of page ideas on a post-it note that has sat next to my desktop approximately since [[Talk:Status condition#Each major status ailment in its own article?|we gave status conditions their own pages back in 2010/2011]].) If you want to make sure your userspace page you think should be mainspaced doesn't get forgotten, it's a good idea to poke a staff member (feel free to come to me with this kind of thing, although depending on the topic you might be more successful by asking the appropriate Editorial Board member). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:45, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. While I do understand that, for Aura for example, I'm not 100% sure it is notable myself. That's a case where someone should do research quite a bit, which is a potential waste of time. And for others one might not be able to judge how notable it ''turns out to be'' beforehand. And even if ''I'' think it turned out to be notable, is there some way I can ensure the EB thinks the same and it wasn't all a waste of time (I'm likely biased if I invested time and effort)?
::So, in case of doubt, I can ask an appropriate staff member beforehand, on a case by case basis, and that staff member then might be able to guarantee that, if the article is of decent quality, it ''will'' get mainspaced?
::Can you tell me how notable/relevant/sensible you think the things I've listed are? (For me to maybe scratch them off my list of "should be created... eventually".)
::Status conditions are what I want to do next, so once I've started a userpage on confusion, please be my guest. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 13:19, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Normally, if a page requires a lot of research but isn't notable, then the information would simply be placed on other pages, so it wouldn't be entirely a waste.
:::You can certainly ask beforehand, but if they're unsure, what's typically going to happen is the staff member will tell you to create a draft to show how such a page could look. For example, I really don't see what content you could even have on an "Aura" page, so right now I don't think it's notable, but if you went and did a lot of research and actually made a page of a decent length, you could convince me it is.
:::For my personal opinions on your list:
:::*Nebby: would certainly be notable
:::*Aura: Convince me there is actually content that would be on this page. I can imagine a list of the auras each Totem Pokémon/Ultra Beast has, but I don't really know what else there would be.
:::*Confusion: As I mentioned earlier, I certainly think there's enough information there for a page.
:::*Affection: I was the one who [[Talk:Pokémon-Amie#Affection split|nominated the split]] last year, but since it only applied to Amie it didn't happen. Now that it's some shared stat between Amie and Refresh I think there is more of an argument, but the same could be said about of lot of the mechanics of both minigames.
:::*Template:ZMoveInfobox: I think Z-Moves are probably fine using the same infobox as other moves for now.
:::*Target: Assuming this refers to attack targets, I think a page detailing the game mechanics of targeting would be interesting, although I believe the official term for possible targets is "range" whereas "target" is specifically the Pokémon chosen. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:34, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks!
::::*For Aura, I think there wouldn't be a lot information, but we do seem to have independent articles for virtually all other {{cat|game mechanics}} (as far as I know, at least). I'm not trying to convice you, though (and I'm not willing to do research atm), but I had imagined it ''might'' (ideally) be a nice page being linked to.
::::*For Z-Moves, I don't like how messy the type-specific Z-Moves' templates look like, with half the template basically just confusing readers, screaming "READ THE TEXT!" instead of helping.
::::*For target/range, I'd imagined that page to be about both what you select '''and''' what you actually hit/affect, and to differentiate/explain a little. I think I said somewhere before that we often conflate the two, and don't really explain the ''difference'' anywhere (or, that there is one, even). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 14:00, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::[[User:Nescientist/Confusion (status condition)|This]] is all yours. If you want to mainspace it and need help linking to it, I might be able to assist when I'm around; the vast majority should be done in a single edit [[Template:status|here]], though. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 15:11, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

== '''''Other wiki websites''''' --[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 10:55, 26 December 2016 (UTC) ==

You have listed other Nintndo wikis in your userspace. Do you contribute to those wikis as much as you contribute here? If ''so'', then you are '''the ultimate wiki contributor'''.

(also how do you change text color and change colors in your name?)

Talk:Celebrate (move)

2016-12-26T10:37:19Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon: /* I started to question this page info */ new section

== Move Description? ==

Could someone who knows Japanese and English please translate the move description? I'm guessing most of the visitors (and most likely members) cannot read Japanese.
Either that or get one of the Birthday Eevee/Umbreon/Sylveon on a Japanese save and trade it to an English save.
I've got the general gist from Google Translate, which says "Pokemon is willing to celebrate about you happy even if I take it". Obviously, online translators aren't the best, so I'd reckon the page would need either a human translator or the game's description.

Just one more thing: is it possible to start a new game in Japanese now that you can select the language and get Japanese events, or is it still region-locked? Like, "this is an Australian/American/European version of the game so you can't get Japan events"? [[User:PokeMaster99999|PokeMaster99999]] ([[User talk:PokeMaster99999|talk]]) 09:52, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
:Translated for now. It ''would'' be nice if someone could get one (cloned, I would imagine) in a game displaying in English and see what the English name and description are really supposed to be. (I don't have X/Y.)
:A small note: I read [http://34102238.at.webry.info/201310/article_10.html something] that suggests there's a special effect of some sort on your birthday, but it was very coy and didn't say what exactly, so I can't tell whether it's referring to the battle text message (and if the message actually only appears on your birthday, that should be noted) or something else entirely. The two [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRWu2KSeDJ8 videos] I've seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pst87tCxqCE both] had the message, but one was also uploaded on the same day as (and only a few minutes of game time earlier than) a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVD0XS5Sdpo video] showing a birthday celebration at the in-game Pokemon Center.
:(And afaik the language option ''only'' affects text display and your game is still whatever region you bought. But again, I don't have X/Y. Either way, the birthday Pokemon are gotten at Japanese Pokemon Center stores, so you'd need to be in Japan on top of changing your game's language to get them... But at that point you could also just buy the Japanese game/3DS, if necessary.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:39, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I have the move in an English version of the game on a Smeargle. The move is called "Celebrate" in English. The description is:
"The Pokémon congratulates you on your special day!" When used in battle it will say: "Congratulations, [Player]!" I do not know if the message is different if used on your birthday. [[User:GenericJoe|GenericJoe]] ([[User talk:GenericJoe|talk]]) 09:06, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
:GenericJoe or {{u|SnorlaxMonster}}, can one of you double-check whether the move's descriptions says "This" or "The" at the beginning? GenericJoe's description above says "The", but SnorlaxMonster edited the page with "This", so I just want to make sure about which is correct. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:03, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

::I double checked it, and it is "The". I'll go ahead and change it then, if that's OK. [[User:GenericJoe|GenericJoe]] ([[User talk:GenericJoe|talk]]) 09:47, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

== '''''I started to question this page info''''' ==

After some '''extensive''' research on [http://www.google.com/images Google Images], I ''think'' that there are some mistakes on the learnset section of this page as I could not find many of the Alolan Pokémon using this move. [[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 10:37, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Celebrate (move)

2016-12-26T10:25:38Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon: Reasons to why this is incomplete added

{{incomplete|needs=Section with information on how to teach a Pokémon this move is needed and {{bad image|reason=Should be replaced with Generation VII image}} }}
{{redirect|Celebrate|the Pokémon Conquest Ability|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest}}
{{MoveInfobox
|n=606
|name=Celebrate
|jname=おいわい
|jtrans=Celebration
|jtranslit=Oiwai
|gameimage=Celebrate.png
|gameimagewidth=300
|type=Normal
|damagecategory=Status
|basepp=40
|maxpp=64
|power=—
|accuracy=—
|gen=VI
|category6=Cute
|appeal6=2
|jam6=0
|cdesc6=Excites the audience in any kind of contest.
|touches=no
|protect=no
|magiccoat=no
|snatch=no
|mirrormove=no
|kingsrock=no
|sound=no
|target=self
}}

'''Celebrate''' (Japanese: '''おいわい''' ''Celebration'') is a non-damaging {{type|Normal}} {{pkmn2|event}}-exclusive [[move]] introduced in [[Generation VI]].

==Effect==
Celebrate has no known effect in battle. When a Pokémon uses this move, it will disappear and a present will drop down from above and unfold to reveal the Pokémon that used it inside. The battle text will then display: ''Congratulations, <{{player}}>!''

If powered up by a {{DL|Z-Crystal|Normalium Z}} into Z-Celebrate, all of the user's [[statistic|stats]] raise one stage.

==Description==
{{movedesc|Normal}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}} {{gameabbrev7|SM}}|The Pokémon congratulates you on your special day!}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==Learnset==
===By {{pkmn2|event}}s===
====[[Generation VI]]====
{{Movehead/Special|Normal}}
{{Moveentry/1|001|Bulbasaur|type=Grass|type2=Poison|2|Monster|Grass|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Bulbasaur|2016 World Championships Bulbasaur]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|004|Charmander|type=Fire|2|Monster|Dragon|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Charmander|2016 World Championships Charmander]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|007|Squirtle|type=Water|2|Monster|Water 1|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Squirtle|2016 World Championships Squirtle]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|025|Pikachu|type=Electric|2|Field|Fairy|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Pikachu 3|Pokémon Center Birthday Pikachu]] {{DL|List of Japanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Center Online Pikachu}}}}
{{Moveentry/1|129|Magikarp|type=Water|2|Water 2|Dragon|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Magikarp|Pokémon Center Hiroshima Magikarp]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|133|Eevee|type=Normal|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Eevee|Pokémon Center Birthday Eevee]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|134|Vaporeon|type=Water|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Vaporeon|Pokémon Center Birthday Vaporeon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|135|Jolteon|type=Electric|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Jolteon|Pokémon Center Birthday Jolteon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|136|Flareon|type=Fire|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Flareon|Pokémon Center Birthday Flareon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|196|Espeon|type=Psychic|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Espeon|Pokémon Center Birthday Espeon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|197|Umbreon|type=Dark|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Umbreon|Pokémon Center Birthday Umbreon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|250|Ho-Oh|type=Fire|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|{{DL|List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Center Kyoto Ho-Oh}}}}
{{Moveentry/1|384|Rayquaza|type=Dragon|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|{{DL|List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Center Skytree Town Rayquaza}}}}
{{Moveentry/1|470|Leafeon|type=Grass|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Leafeon|Pokémon Center Birthday Leafeon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|471|Glaceon|type=Ice|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Glaceon|Pokémon Center Birthday Glaceon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|700|Sylveon|type=Fairy|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Sylveon|Pokémon Center Birthday Sylveon]]}}
{{Movefoot|Normal|1}}

====[[Generation VII]]====
{{Movehead/Special|Normal}}
{{Moveentry/1|025|Pikachu|type=Electric|2|Field|Fairy|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VII#Pikachu|Pokémon Center Birthday Pikachu]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|037A|Vulpix|type=Ice|1|Field|Field|{{DL|List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VII|Pokémon Center Sapporo Alolan Vulpix}}|form=Alola Form}}
{{Moveentry/1|133|Eevee|type=Normal|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VII#Eevee|Pokémon Center Birthday Eevee]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|764|Comfey|type=Fairy|1|Grass|Grass|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VII#Comfey|Pokémon Center Birthday Comfey]]}}
{{Movefoot|Normal|1}}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{normal color}}|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|zh_yue=慶祝 ''{{tt|Hingjūk|Celebrate}}''
|zh_cmn=慶祝 / 庆祝 ''{{tt|Qìngzhù|Celebrate}}''
|fr=Célébration
|de=Ehrentag
|it=Auguri
|es=Celebración
|ko=축하 ''Chukha''
}}
{{-}}
{{Splash}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Cute moves]]
[[Category:Event-exclusive moves]]
[[Category:Moves with no effect]]

[[de:Ehrentag]]
[[fr:Célébration]]
[[it:Auguri (mossa)]]
[[ja:おいわい]]
[[zh:庆祝（技能）]]

Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub/Archive 1

2016-12-26T10:23:45Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon: /* Research template */

== Protection ==
Shouldn't this be protected to prevent vandelism much like the main page is? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 13:04, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
: It is protected.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 20:24, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
::I know it is now, it wasn't when I post the message above. And I stayed up to date on status of the page and thus noticed when it was semi-protected then fully protected. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 20:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
== Tentacool ==

I need help changing one of the type effects of Tentacool over to somewhere else. I am a new member so I don't know how to do all these changes so if someone can help that will be nice.

what needs to be changed is electric needs to be taken out of tentacool's weakness column and put in the regular effect column. if someone can tell me how to do that then that will be nice thanks again.
([[User:Roadmaster84|Roadmaster84]] 23:29, 21 December 2011 (UTC))
:Tentacool is a {{t|Water}}/{{t|Poison}} Pokémon. Water is weak to Electric and Poison is neutral to Electric. Therefore Tentacool is weak to Electric moves and the existing chart is correct. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:38, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

== Page Like "Incomplete" for "Bad Picture"? ==

Is there a section for Bad Picture just like there is for [[:Category:Articles needing more information|Incomplete]]? I can't find it anywhere! --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 00:19, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:[[:Category:Articles needing better pictures|You mean like this?]] [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:23, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
::Cool! Where did you find that link? If it is really hidden and out of the way, I think it should be in the box with the Machop. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 00:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I don't know what machop you're talking about, but it's in the categories on any page that has that template. In particular, I found it [[Brawly|here]]. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
::::The Machop on the Editor's Hub page! There are three links to get you started improving articles. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 01:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Oh, haha, I see. I rarely look at the Editor Hub. Alright, I added it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:11, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

== Recycle restoring Air Balloon ==

The page [[Recycle]] doesn't mention anything about being able/unable to restore a popped Air Balloon. Shouldn't that be changed? [[User:PC-Reviver|PC-Reviver]] 15:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:No, because a popped Air Balloon is an item that's been consumed, and thus falls under the category of consumed items. - ''signed comment from [[User:BisumitoIsSnazzy|q~Bisumito is Snazzy~p]] ([[User talk:BisumitoIsSnazzy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BisumitoIsSnazzy|contribs]])'' 20:31, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

== how do i get permission to make pages ==

hi im new and wondering how to make pages [[User:Xspeedx|Xspeedx]] 18:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
:You need to make a (top secret) number of edits to the mainspace (i.e. articles) and have had your account for a short (also top secret) length of time. This is done so that you get a chance +to learn our rules and styles before trying to build a page on your own. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== I need advice ==

Hi, I saw the Anville town Article and saw the section at the top said you can get to anvillle town using the Anville town line in the battle subway. I was thinking that changing it to the Brown line because it's colour is brown? I'm not sure if i should but please tell me if i'm right! [[User:SkyAltaria1|SkyAltaria1]] 14:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be more precise to change it the brown line instead of just saying "Anville line". I don't think there's any harm in changing it. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 15:38, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Ok Thanks :) [[User:SkyAltaria1|SkyAltaria1]] 06:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I need advice too. I know of a glitch that is fairly well-known, yet this wiki doesn't have a page for it. I notice that most glitches have their own pages as well as appearing on the List of Glitches section of the Glitch page. However, I don't have permission to make pages yet. Should I just add this glitch to the List of Glitches and hope someone else makes a page for it, or should I request that a page for it be made, or what? [[User:HappyGasGames|HappyGasGames]] ([[User talk:HappyGasGames|talk]]) 17:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
:If you have a question on a topic that's glitch related, you should talk to {{u|SnorlaxMonster}}. He's the leader of Project:Glichdex and would probably have the answers you're looking for. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 17:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

== Romanization ==
I'm not entirely fond of how Bulbapedia handles their Japanese names for things, primarily how we use the trademarked name and completely ignore the rōmaji. Yes, I think it's important to have the trademarked Japanese names, but I think it's also equally important to have the bare rōmaji, too. I think it would be effective to use the <nowiki>{{tt}}</nowiki> template around the Japanese text itself to show the rōmaji alongside the trademarked name. For example, it would look like this: {{tt|ラルトス|Rarutosu}} ''Ralts'' or {{tt|カメックス|Kamekkusu}} ''Kamex''. Would anyone object to me going around and doing this? [[User:Mitsuru|Mitsuru]] 23:13, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:[[List of Japanese Pokémon names]]. This does that. I personally do not like the idea for esthetic reasons. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:19, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
::Alright, but it applies to more than just Pokémon themselves. Many pages unrelated to Pokémon suffer the same ([[Snag Machine]], [[N]], etc.). And I disagree; I don't think it's too much of an eyesore, and it's hardly invasive. [[User:Mitsuru|Mitsuru]] 03:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

== BW2 Soundtrack ==
Do we need a page for the BW2 soundtrack "Pokémon Black 2 & White 2 Super Music Complete"? I have the CD here and I figured I might as well contribute. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 20:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Nobody? No. Okay, you can remove it if you don't like it. It was fun to do anyway. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

== Bulbawiki Festive Frontier? ==

"As outlined on Bulbagarden forums, Bulbapedia is done hosting its second annual Christmas Improvement Drive. The Festive Frontier challenge is now over."

Wasn't the Festive Frontier challenge from last year or was it a few months ago? (Just curious since it is currently up on the page.) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

== Update? ==

Staff of PokéPark 2 is already made. Don't you think we should take it off the Needed articles section? [[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 00:17, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

== Edits ==

How many Edits do I need to do/have to add New Articles?
[[User:Lskitto|Lskitto]] ([[User talk:Lskitto|talk]]) 04:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:It's an secret amount of edits and a secret amount of time that is only known to staff. Keep editing, and you'll eventually be able to start articles. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 04:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

== Screenshots ==
How do you get a screenshot of an entire city/route/area in the video games?
[[User:152105|152105]] ([[User talk:152105|talk]]) 20:14, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

== Linking Pages ==

When I put in a link to another page it always comes out as Template:whatever-the-article-name-is and I have no idea why.[[User:Uglycats101|Uglycats101]] ([[User talk:Uglycats101|talk]]) 13:26, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
:<nowiki>It would be because you are using {{ and }} to link instead of [[ and ]] one links to templates the other links to pages.</nowiki> --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 13:41, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
oh thanks so much, it works!!! but how do I get those brackets you used they're not on my keyboard or in the character palette at the bottom of the screen I'm currently using copy and paste to get them in. [[User:Uglycats101|Uglycats101]] ([[User talk:Uglycats101|talk]]) 13:30, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
:What keyboard layout do you have? It would be incredibly unusual for any keyboard to not have those brackets. On a standard QWERTY keyboard, they're immediately to the right of the P key, such that typing this whole row yields <code>QWERTYUIOP[]\</code>. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
oh my gosh, im so dumb, thanks so much for that [[User:Uglycats101|Uglycats101]] ([[User talk:Uglycats101|talk]]) 15:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

== Kato and Kiko ==

I need help adding a trivia sentence for Kato and Kiko. I don't want to try and add a new trivia sentence and end up messing up the whole thing for their trivia. Either someone help me or ill just tell you what I want to post so you can do it yourselves:

For Kato's trivia: Kato's hairstyle resembles the horn of his pokemon, Heracross.

For Kiko's trivia: Kiko's hairstyle resembles the wings of her pokemon, Beautifly.

If you can tell me how to post it that would be excellent or if you want to post it yourself that would be just as excellent. If you end up doing it yourself don't add both on one just kato's on Kato's page and Kiko's on Kiko@'s page. I don't mind either way as long as it manages to get posted and i have some credit for it. Thanks. ([[User:RioluMaster1123|RioluMaster1123]] ([[User talk:RioluMaster1123|talk]]) 01:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC))

==Message of the Day==

There are no more featured MotDs. That part of this page should be replaced. [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] [[User talk:Spyspotter|says…]] Edit the mainspace, [[Special:ListUsers|kids!]] 03:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:I don't see any "Message of the Day" on this page. Unless you mean the Message from the Editor, which should stay and will be updated when there is new information to put there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
::I mean the featured content. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Spyspotter}} ([[User talk:Spyspotter|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spyspotter|contribs]]) '' 01:00, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

== Protection of Pokemon X/Y related articles ==

I've been noticing that the admins on this site have been protecting almost all Pokemon X/Y related articles and not allowing normal users due to "Speculation Crackdown" till after October 12. It's kind of harsh because not all normal users registered users on this site are speculators. Some really want to help this site gather information from official sources as the game's release draws closer. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 09:41, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:While not all registered users will add speculation, it only takes a handful of users to wreak massive havoc across a wide spread of pages. A lot of XY articles were locked as a reaction to speculation, not as a proactive measure. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:Speculation would not be good for bulbapedia's reputation, and I'm sure no-one wants that! Like [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] said, it only takes a handful of people to wreak havoc with speculations and rumours. --[[User:KyuremDialga101|KyuremDialga101]] ([[User talk:KyuremDialga101|talk]]) 01:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

== Article on Ash's Charizard does not need editing ==

I noticed that the article [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ash's_Charizard|Ash's Charizard] was in need of an English voice actor. However, after some heavy research, I found out that the voice actor is the same as the Japanese one. What do I do now? Please help, I just joined!
--[[User:KyuremDialga101|KyuremDialga101]] ([[User talk:KyuremDialga101|talk]]) 01:08, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:It could refer to Charmander and Charmeleon. They showed up in flashbacks during BW and, while I didn't watch the episode myself, it could be they spoke during the flashbacks, and had different voice actors. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
::Hi. The voice actor data for Charmander and Charmeleon was present, so it was not referring to them. Currently, the page is showing that for Charizard, the Japanese voice actor did both the Japanese AND the English roles. However, Bulbapedia has named the data as incomplete. Is there anyone I could take my concerns to? Thanks. --[[User:KyuremDialga101|KyuremDialga101]] ([[User talk:KyuremDialga101|talk]]) 01:13, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:::Charmander and Charmeleon's voice actors on the article are the 4kids actors. During the Advanced Generation the dub was passed on to DuArt. For example, look at [[Ash's Bulbasaur]]. See how it says Tara Jayne for EP010-AG133 then Michele Knotz as current? That's because of the voice actor swap. Since Charmander and Charmeleon appeared in the Best Wishes series, they would have been given new voice actors. Those are the ones that are missing. If you want, you can leave a message on {{u|Kenji-girl}}'s talk page. She's been busy lately so it might take her a while to respond. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:26, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

== Regarding Volcanion, Hoopa and Diancie ==

Should we create pages for them yet? We know they are real, and this sort of thing has been done with other event pokemon like Arceus and Genesect. I have pictures which have been confirmed real that we could put in the articles too.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 01:50, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:We do not know they are real. All we know is that other fansites have circulated rumors about them. We do not take info from other fansites. We are an encyclopedia, not a rumor mill. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::I think we know that they're names of potential Pokémon, due to GTS stuff, but that doesn't seem like enough for a page. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:36, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::You can find them in game, GBA Temps has a wild modifier code for them. And the fact that there is already in-game proof (the GTS tests) kind of confirms it's all real. Remember that stuff had been added about previous event 'mons without knowing much about them too.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:03, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::For those of us who don't know, can you explain what GBA Temps is? And how wild modifier codes work? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::GBA Temps is a website that I imagine distributes cheat codes. Wild modifiers work by simply changeing the pokemon that normally appear in an area to the one specified in the cheat code, as it temporarily alters the game's code. Say, if you put an identifier of 001 in there you would find bulbasaur for example. EDIT: Wait, wrong place, it ws a different guy who made the modifier, GBA Temps made a .pkx editor that could also be used to get the pokemon in game, if anyone wants to test and see, I have a link [http://gbatemp.net/threads/pkx-editor-by-codemonkey85.356901]/--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:40, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Serebii has just confirmed the existence of Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion, Mega [[Latios]] and Mega [[Latias]] as possible event Pokémon with pictures associated. --[[User:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|Wolfy Harfleur 76700]] ([[User talk:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|talk]]) 10:35, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Joe literally wrote in his news story on serebii "Do note, these are still unconfirmed." ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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It seems people have forgotten that this site is, above all else, an ''encyclopedia''. I've seen some wikis have speculative articles and then have some tag at the top of the page saying "This is unconfirmed, yada yada yada." That's extremely unprofessional, and it makes way for a truck load of spam articles under the guise of being "unconfirmed". A good wiki, Bulbapedia included, uses the agenda of official confirmation being ''absolutely crucial''. As much as it may seem, at the current moment, that these three Pokémon and the Mega-Eons are as real as real can get, leaked information is the exact opposite of confirmed information. Even Serebii's no fool. He's not going around asserting that everything he finds is fact. As Nate even said, the words "Do note, these are still unconfirmed" are used on his site. Besides, it's god-honestly better to ''not'' have the information until it's confirmed than to have guesswork that turns out to be wrong. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 15:29, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:correct me if I am wrong but didn't bulbapedia treat meloetta, keldeo and genesect as real pokemon before they were officialy confirmed? It doesn't seem any different here. [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 15:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::The problem is that we could still access the game data to be able to confirm it. We cannot access the game data this time around, which is why we still do not have a lot of images of the Generation VI stuff. Unless we can find data on the PGL to confirm this, we have to treat it like false info until we have proof it is true. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 17:15, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::In which you can use the hacks to get the pokemon to put into the PGL to prove they're real.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:28, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::You cannot put Pokémon into the PGL, that was only Dream World, which only works for Generation V games. Not to mention that the Pokémon shown could be dummied out Pokémon left on the cart. We will need to wait for proof, whether it is from files on the PGL or some info from Nintendo. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::How would one get this info from the PGL? Like people got all the DW art and stuff didn't they? And also I'm quite sure they wouldn't leave dummy 'mons in the game, they would have been replaced with Bad Eggs.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:48, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Files. Every website that uses pictures needs to reference the picture in the website. Thus, most pictures are hosted in the same server as the website itself. Basically, if the images are added to the server, we just need to peek into the server's files and see what is there, which is how we got the other files. As for the other part, why are there two Vivillon patterns in the game that no one has obtained? We don't know what GF has done or will do with them. They could be available or they could be dummied out, though they still seem to exist for the moment as dummied out data. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Hmmm, perhaps they don't plan on adding the picture files until they're officially revealed. After all, I don't think they added the picture files into the PGL for Keldeo, Meloetta and Genesect until they were revealed, did they?--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:49, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
{{indent}} Back on the "dummied out content" thing, yes, there's plenty of dummied out content left in the game's code among all of the older games. Bulbapedia has pages specifically on said content. I can't say I'd be too surprised to find out that some species ended up in this genre. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 02:31, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:On the topic of PGL files, there are two placeholder Vivillon patterns (which are the same as the default pattern), indicating that there are likely to be 2 more Vivillon patterns (matching the leak). The Mythical Pokémon do not appear on the PGL currently. Mega Evolutions all have placeholder artworks (it's just a copy of the Pokémon's standard artwork), and currently there is no placeholder for Mega Latios or Latias. Chances are things that aren't currently there will be added at a later time. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
While the chance is there that they could be fake ([http://pokejungle.net/2013/10/31/rumour-legends-leaked-by-hacking/ this page even says so]), the fact that this person was able to cause the three legendaries to appear in one of the early Routes pretty much confirms they are real. If those are Photoshopped images, they're pretty good. Additionally, seeing them on the GTS and not filtered out as gibberish also confirms that they are real. The person writing the linked blog, as well, noted that he tried to encounter Pokémon #722 (meaning these came from 719-721) and the result was a Bad Egg, meaning there is nothing programmed after 721 and that is the end of the current Pokédex.

We ought to acknowledge this information. People have tested and confirmed that the data is there. Serebii even briefly had pages for the trio (since taken down, someone put up a screenshot of the three screengrabs as an image). Nintendo just hasn't released the info because they want to leave something for future announcements and events. Since they're already in the game, other than patching to get rid of them, Nintendo can't do much now to change it (and then what will they use for later games, and who says we have to use the patch? I mean, they can't get rid of this data in the games now!). Therefore, they exist, they just haven't been announced. Pages ought to be created even if they are tagged as unconfirmed Pokémon. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:32, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:If you had been paying attention, no one is immediately saying they're faked or photoshopped. But what we ''are'' saying is they may very well be dummied out content. And again, as far as a wiki is concerned, if information is not 100% confirmed, it might as well be 100% fake. Bulbapedia has a reputation to keep, and if things that end up being utter bull get articles only for us to find out the truth later, how will that make the site look? And even if they are really there, they ''can'' indeed be patched out. That's what patches do. If someone who got, say, one of these "Volcanions" ends up losing data and having their save corrupted because it was patched out, well then that's their own fault. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 19:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, I'm paying attention. Here's the thing: if they are dummied out, that makes them notable just for that and they deserve to be recognized as deleted Pokémon. Except perhaps for MissingNo, this would be the first case of this, no? That's notable, and what would be their page as real Pokémon can then be redirected to an article on the deleted trio. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:04, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Just thought I'd also mention that if they were dummied out, it is highly unlikely they'd leave all the following data in and have it make sense- Pokedex Entries, Typing, Movesets, Graphical Data, Base Stats. Just a thought--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 01:56, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Exactly. There are way too many dots to connect here that there's no way this is fake. I'm 99% certain at this point that all three of them are the Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect of this generation and we will have all three released by the time of either Hoenn remakes or Z (whichever is first). I'd gamble on it if I could. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:18, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::(edit conflict) We don't know any of that (except the graphical data) even exists. All we have are a single screenshot of each of them. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:19, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::What do you want him to do, take a video of him encountering and catching them, then showing off the Dex entries? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:45, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
There's another test we could use to see if this is genuine, the guy who found them also managed to get screenshots of pixie plate arceus and Mew in the game, if the sprites match when Transporter is out we'll know that he truly hacked the game. pics on this twitter: https://twitter.com/PokmonGlobalNew [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 11:34, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::Replying to 0danmaster0 here, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Genesect_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1188433 linked here] is the original draft of [[Genesect (Pokémon)]] from September 18, 2010. It got several more edits that day and the following days. Do we have information on exactly when Nintendo announced Genesect? I know it wasn't released until B2/W2 were released; that very day, in fact. That's two years. I doubt they announced it two years in advance.

::My point? We were posting an article about Genesect two years ahead of time. What would be different about an article on Hoopa since it has been found in the game? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:10, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes, but we had proof Genesect existed because we could hack the DS and get the data out. We still don't know these three aren't a hoax, because we still don't fully know how to hack the 3DS. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:19, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Evidently this guy does know how to hack the 3DS. That's the same thing. I could have said Genesect was a hoax back then myself because I am not a hacker. Same argument. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:38, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::The difference is that when lots of people could do it, it was clearer that Keldeo, Meloetta and Genesect were real because so many independent sources were backing each other up. Currently, (as far as I know,) there's only this one guy "proving" these three, so we have no idea whether he's a good hacker or just a good counterfeiter. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:44, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Pumpkinking has hit the nail on the head. The bottom line is if we can't replicate the results to verify, a random on the internet is nothing more than a dubious source. We can't repeat or verify those results. Therefore, they get no article. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:21, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I still point out the fact that the names appear on the GTS. That validates them as real Pokémon. I will admit that the images could still be shopped (some are pretty good even of those), but the Pokémon names are real. If Nintendo patches them out after this independent crusade (for lack of a better word), then the article could be about what the names of the Pokémon would have been and were changed due to a hacker. A hacker causing Nintendo to change plans is notable. So one way or another, whether now or after news comes of a new patch that removes the names (impossible on the GTS though unless they close it briefly and remove all requests), an article will exist somewhere on either the Pokémon or the schematics surrounding them being changed (even when the trio does eventually come out with similar types and the would-be names are matched up). I still see no problem with very brief and locked pieces on the three and what has been discovered, with a byline at the top saying the information is unconfirmed. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Just thought I'd mention that we have Diancie's dex entry too. Kotaku said it, not sure if it's a reliable source though.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:52, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::''The bottom line is if we can't replicate the results to verify, a random on the internet is nothing more than a dubious source.''
:::::::::That's funny. Someone earlier said that the reason the article doesn't exist is because Nintendo hasn't announced it. However, Nintendo hadn't announced Keldeo, Meloetta, or Genesect and those articles came up with "multiple independent sources".
:::::::::We now have "multiple independent sources" confirming these three new Pokémon showing up as valid in the GTS by people requesting other than themselves, which is backed up by hacked data confirming their existance and with images (though again, I prefer video). Sersbii had pages up brifly, since taken down. This is exactly the scenario we had with the Unova group, just not as many sources. Yet now the rules are different because it's more convenient to wait for Nintendo to announce it before putting pages up.
:::::::::We need to stop changing the rules in convenient ways for a situation and just report what people have found out already. Wikipedia uses references as a method of sourcing ANY information. We have several sources, even if one main one is a blog and others are forums. That's enough for me for a video game (we're not sourcing nuclear fission or anything like that). If it turns out not to be real, we correct it. That's what a Wiki does. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::You're wrong with the part about "exactly the same scenario". As already said above, the key difference is being able to replicate the results; that is, unlike with DS games, the encryption for 3DS games is still yet to be broken so data mining is outright impossible. You can't make a ROM dump out of your X or Y game card, break in, and check the Pokémon specification data structures yourself. Instead, for anything other than the names, you need to rely on and believe the authenticity of the few still images by one community member. For the same reasons, we're still missing various things like complete movesets for many Pokémon, all up-to-date data for yet unavailable Gen I to Gen V Pokémon, and so on.
::::::::::Don't get me wrong, I personally don't have any objections for adding the trio into the wiki, but it seems that for now the only thing that can be proven with certainty is that the three names exist and are recognized by GTS as valid ones. That doesn't really yield good, comprehensive pages at this moment, so I understand why they're quite unwanted for now. '''Soulweaver''' (U.S.) ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 04:15, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::Perhaps someone should ask smea to supply the necessary information by his twitter account, after all HE is the one with this information. We know the pokemon exist, we don't officially know their appearance until we get solid proof, and everything else falls under the former category. If he could give us a video showing us exactly what he is doing, showing us the dex entries and types ''at least'', we might actually get somewhere. Same could go for the other discoveries too.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I have a feeling that they won't since they have apologized for spoiling the Pokémon already. Little hope on that route. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::: As for the other side of the problem, I am confused now with the issue. We know the Pokémon exist. We have proof that they exist. We can replicate the data, though not in the conventional way. We can even data mine the games to confirm it through a modified 3DS that bypasses the encryption issue, which is currently being done to determine how the game stores the data structure for individual Pokémon. The problem we have is over if the three Pokémon are actual Legendary Pokémon that exist in the game or if these are just dummied out Legendary Pokémon that Nintendo and Game Freak thought would be alright to leave on the cart without removing their existence. We cannot confirm that they are event Pokémon, so we cannot add them as articles at the moment. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I will concede that individual articles would not have a lot of information right now (heck, [[Xerneas (Pokémon)]] and [[Yveltal (Pokémon)]] were once like that even when they were announced). However, even if staunch "it's not official" people around here don't want to allow articles, we do need at least one: an article talking about the three and how they were discovered. I point out once again that the three are not being confirmed, the data is simply being reported on.
:::::::::::::and he apologized for "spoiling the Pokémon"? Some of us want to know everything, spoiler or not. I really want to see a video of these. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:(Resetting indent) What I don't get is why some people seem to be convinced they are dummied out when they are under the same circumstances as last gen's event pokemon. If they were dunnied out, they would leave all that important info in there. {{unsigned|BigBadBatter}}
::Because the data for the two other Vivillion is present in the games, but cannot be access without a modified 3DS. This is similar to past data, like ???-type Arceus. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Good point, but remember that was only in there to stop crashes, it was never meant to exist within the "actual" game--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:39, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::::My guess? Those two Vivillon will be in the next games and can be traded into these ones. How? I don't have a guess on that yet, but maybe they are east and west like the Shellos. In that case, west (North America and possibly Europe) would get one, and east (yeah, beyond Europe, Africa included perhaps) would get the other. That would be consistent with the patterns based on your 3DS region bit. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
{{indent}} I think it's about time this topic be left alone and not touched again. ''Multiple'' staff members already said these three aren't getting articles until there is enough evidence to prove that they are absolutely and indisputably real, so let's leave it at that, shall we? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 16:42, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
:I think the debate is not that they aren't real. It's about whether they should have articles without Nintendo confirmation. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:05, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::Regardless, at least three staff members have all said they are not and have given a multitude of reasons. I don't even see why people are still arguing. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 17:12, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Yeah, let's leave it for now. Apparently the offical facebook page made a random post about carbink, so we may see some interesting stuff...--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:00, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::::The official japanese guide confirmed that there are 721 Pokémon[http://i.imgur.com/2QH3kPl.png] [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 12:36, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Now this is interesting. More confirmation much?--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 22:47, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Here's the thing. We ''do not'' report on or make articles for information that we cannot confirm ourselves. The person who discovered these did so through a method we cannot replicate. There may be three hidden legendaries, but we cannot confirm that these three are them. The difference between these and previous event legends is the fact we could view the game's code and confirm it ''ourselves''. So, to put it bluntly, until these are confirmed by Nintendo or a widespread method to view the game's code is available, these Pokemon will get ''no article''. No amount of arguing is going to change that. This discussion is serving no purpose whatsoever and should be done. If you want to discuss these rumored legendaries, you should take it the forums. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 22:56, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
they are real. no doubt. they are unannounced, there fore un obtainable, there fore unmarked. they WILL be made, and this guy did officialy find volcanion. there was also a leaked article on pokemon.com, quickly removed, for diancle. just make the pages, and delete them if need be. I will be watching for them in the new year, when I expect them to be announced, after torchic. and also, regarding pixie arcius and mew in x/y, they were added in the 1.1 patch which also allowed all pokemon to be added to the dex via pokebank. so In adding the pokebank, 1.1 had more than it seemed. prove me wrong, but I want evidence I am wrong. I know Nintendo, and this is legit. make the pages. I will cover the story. EDIT- while poking on serebii to take notes, I saw that they have a classification. I don't know if I can put them here, but am doing so any ways. :diancie the jewel pokemon, volcanion the steam pokemon, and hoopa the mischief pokemon. have I blown your mind??? proves their real! {{unsigned|Dra9onslayer}}

What height and weight could it be for the three event Pokémon, what body style do they have and what colour category do they have? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 07:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
:Look, let's just leave it for now, as we don't have the tools to hack the game and find out for ourselves. Therefore, we cannot make the pages.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:50, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

I know staff members said don't put them up, and I'm not arguing that (that's a good policy, even if we can get into the game). I'm just wondering why people say it isn't the same as before. Because of course Darkrai could have been dummied out back in Gen IV, but now we know it wasn't. Just curious, is all, as that seems to be the big argument (Once again, I agree with the policy of not putting up the page until Gamefreak confirms, because of the risk of it being dummied out. Makes sense) --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 00:23, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
:The difference is that even if Darkrai, etc had been dummied out, we could hack the game so we still knew all of its data. We can't hack the 3DS, so none of the leaks about these three (except for their names on the GTS) are verifiable. We don't know whether the images floating around are legit or a clever Photoshop; we don't know whether the type combinations are true; we don't even know what order their National Dex numbers are in{{tt|*|and sources conflict on this last point — a pretty good sign that at least some of the other information is unreliable as well}}. There's literally nothing we can say in good conscience except "these are their names," whereas in the past, we could hack the game and reliably report every single piece of data for event-exclusives on the DS and prior systems. (That's my standpoint. I think this is a much more persuasive reason not to acknowledge them yet than the "what if they end up being dummied out" argument.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:40, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
::Mostly quoting myself from above, "We know the Pokémon exist. We have proof that they exist. We can replicate the data, though not in the conventional way. We can even data mine the games to confirm it through a modified 3DS that bypasses the encryption issue, which is currently being done to determine how the game stores the data structure for individual Pokémon. The problem we have is over if the three Pokémon are actual Legendary Pokémon that exist in the game or if these are just dummied out Legendary Pokémon that Nintendo and Game Freak thought would be alright to leave on the cart without removing their existence. We cannot confirm that they are event Pokémon, so we cannot add them as articles at the moment." Remember that there is still data on the game for two more Vivillion forms that the Global Links files confirm. The problem is that this data, while present in the games, cannot be access without a modified 3DS. In Generation IV, we had data for the ???-type Arceus, which was never released for good reasons. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 05:10, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I figure now is a good time to resurrect this discussion now that [http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/60943/t1957245-hoopa-volcanion-diancies-leaked-stats-abilities-types/ more evidence] has appeared from what appears to be a separate source, corroborating with leaks we've [http://www.pokedit.com/New+Legendaries+Diancie+Volcanion+Hoopa_8016.html already] [http://pokebeach.com/2013/12/information-on-diancie-hoopa-and-volcanion seen]. Dummied out or not, it appears what we've seen before was indeed correct. I also don't know if this was mentioned, but the PokEdit link also seems to have official Sugimori art, the two missing Vivillon patterns, and a model of AZ's Floette. This is getting harder and harder to call fake, if you ask me. [[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 18:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:The artwork is fake, in case you were wondering: [http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Diancie-410875572 Diancie], [http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Volcanion-410762745 Volcanion], and [http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Hoopa-410943259 Hoopa]. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 18:38, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Editor%27s_Hub&diff=prev&oldid=2047544 Again, this is my response on the issue.] I still say that we should take the time to wait and see what GF will do. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:16, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Diancie was unveiled on CoroCoro, but I bet you Bulbapedians are going to say that even if it's not a fake, we can't say the same for the other two (and Mega Lati@s). Am I right? [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 21:18, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
:Fake is not the issue, but yes, that's exactly right. Diancie does not confirm anything else from leaks. We wait for official sources regardless of whether the leaks appear to be true. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
::I suppose that we should probably make a start on the page, shall we? --[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:40, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
:::{{u|Force Fire}} already [[User:Force Fire/Diancie (Pokémon)|has]]. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:52, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Ah yes. I was wondering because the link in the Bulbanews article had no text on it.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 22:48, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
::With all due respect, I think that's completely unreasonable. If fake isn't the issue, then I fail to see what could be. Even if the other two ''were'' [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DummiedOut dummied out], there's no reasonable doubt left that these guys aren't still on the game card and with all the glitch Pokémon we document that have never been officially acknowledged, shouldn't we at least put in a word about how the other two exist but aren't officially revealed yet? Look, think of this from a practical standpoint: the circumstances have changed. Diancie's been officially announced and yet most of the data out there when you Google it (as people are bound to do now) are gonna come up with Hoopa and Volcanion along with it. And when they to go look it up on Bulbapedia, they'll find info on one of the three while the other two are still not even acknowledged to exist. What, are we just gonna play dumb and not confirm or deny anything still? I know to assume good faith and all that jazz, but I think Bulbapedia's official stance on this at the moment reeks of stubbornness for no good reason. At the very least, acknowledge the controversy around the matter with an administrative announcement or something instead of keeping everything in talk pages. At least make our stance on these three visible, rather than not even telling people ''why'' the other two aren't listed unless they go looking in the right places. [[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 17:24, 14 February 2014 (UTC) (Note for transparency's sake: I'm an [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Inclusionism inclusionist].)
:::Unfortunately, policy is policy, and unless we have more people hacking the 3DS, we won't get pages 'til the official reveal. If you'd like to hack the 3DS to prove a point, I believe Smea did it by running homebrew and pokemon Y at the same time, allowing him to see the game's code, developed wild modifier cheat codes, making the event 'mons appear.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHBc6RtW9y0#t=24]

someone recorded the mega lati duo in action. i think they are at least worth a mention now. hoopa and volcanion's articles can wait until similar footage appears. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 16:12, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

::mega lati twins are out in the wild, although in an "Arceus/Genesect" manner rather than "nintendooo confirmdd" way. seeing as its arceus all over again, we should definetly mention the megas on their respective pages, there is nothing denying their exstince now. [[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 21:03, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Datel has released a cheating device that can be used with X and Y. I think it's pretty safe to say that once some Bulbapedians get it and use it to get the Mega Lati twins and the event pokemon, these guys will be getting pages once we get the appropriate info. --[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
::::why do we need a bulbapedian to confirm? undisputable ecidence of at least the mega latis is sitting right in front of us. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 21:54, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::Read the rest of the discussion.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 01:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

::::::i did its just people screaming at each othrr. we have undisputable proof of at least the lati duo's megas existing and the two legends in limbo are probably are just an ar code away, so why are we still saying "durr 50/50 chance of being real" and not adding this? we did it with arceus and genesect, so why ar the mega latis different?--[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 04:54, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

(resetting indent)OK, so now that we got the addition of Mega Latios and Mega Latias on the Megas page (the other relevant pages are locked unfortunately) , I'm pretty sure that this should be settled once and for all. We have indisputable evidence that Volcanion and Hoopa exist (thank you Datel), can we please make pages for them now? --[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 22:29, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
::i'm working on a draft of Hoopa's page right now. do we know whether or not the leak regarding the event trio's signature moves is true? --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 23:06, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
:::I imagine it is, but there is only one source at the moment.----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 01:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
::::If you can't confirm something yourself, assume it's false until you can confirm it. That way there's no chance we're left with egg on our face. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::That's what I thought. We'll just have to wait 'til someone reliable gets the event 'mons then.----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 03:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::Okay, someone with a powersave has confirmed with a video that Diancie's signature move is Diamond Storm, it's a physical rock-type move, with 95 acc, 100 power and chance to boost defense, here are two videos [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8lu7R-7Tg][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLWExiyWuQQ]----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 21:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Seeing as how Diancie has been officially revealed, as have the Poké Ball and Fancy Pattern Vivillon, can we know include Hoopa and Volcanion on Bulbapedia? Fairy-type Arceus was also confirmed true and Mega Lati@s has been added to the Mega Evolutions page. I can assume AZ's Floette will be released later as well, since there's also an event for that, but this is just about Volcanion and Hoopa. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 23:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
:The key word being "officially revealed", which Hoopa and Volcanion haven't been. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:46, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
::Neither have Mega Lati@s, which are featured quite prominently in the Mega Evolution page... --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 05:00, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Mega Lati@s was added because a staff member was able to confirm the existence of the Lati@site via a device. Because they were able to confirm the Lati@site, Mega Lati@s are on the Mega Evolution page. While I don't really like that they are on the page, a staff member confirming the existence of the mega stone is satisfactory for me.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:49, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::Well for me, satisfactory is YouTuber upon YouTuber showing video footage of them activating the Hoopa, Diancie, Volcanion and AZ's Floette events, which is exactly what's happened since around the time Diancie has been officially announced. I mean, it can't be that hard to find someone with a PowerSave and get them to activate the events in the presence of a Staff Member. This isn't 1996. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 01:28, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::I think this Hoopa and Volcanion situation is of the utmost importance. There has been multiple sources confirming without a show of a doubt the existence of both of them. I dont remember Arceus, Genosect, Meloetta, etc not being added before it was officially revealed by Nintendo. Saying that there's no way to check doesnt apply on this date. There's already documented tools to activate the event. For anyone that wants to check for themselves the tool you need is Datel Power Saves, which is available on Amazon and other online stores. [[User:Epsilonsama|Epsilonsama]] ([[User talk:Epsilonsama|talk]]) 19:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Whilst I completely understand that Volcanion and Hoopa remain unofficial, and whilst I agree that we should not pass them of as we would any other Pokémon due to the insufficient amount of data that has been able to be retrieved from the X and Y games, would it not be reasonable to have maybe a single article on both, and possibly the now-confirmed Diancie as well, stating that their names are recognised by the GTS, and that they have therefore been coded into the games in one way or another. Obviously we cannot pass off much other information about them, as there is very little of it that can truly be confirmed as official, however, a single short mention that the names of the Pokémon are coded into the games should suffice for the article. The names exist in the GTS without a doubt, in fact, that was how I first found out about them very early in the game when I went on to the GTS and saw someone requesting a Hoopa. The way I look at it, whether or not they are patched out of the game, never used/talked about again, swept under the carpet by Nintendo, or released as official Pokémon, we will eventually end up with an article about them, will we not? We currently have articles for unused prototype Pokémon such as Honōguma, Buhi, and Kurusu, and on backsprites for the early Shellos and Gastrodon from the coding of Ruby and Sapphire. Hoopa and Volcanion will essentially end up with their own pages, on a new page for patched out Pokémon, or on the page for prototype Pokémon. So, as little confirmed information on them as there is, surely it's noteworthy enough to at least acknwoledge them as sort-of-maybe-Pokémon-to-be that we know officially a little bit about, after all the GTS does recognise them as something, and if the GTS acknowledges them, then why shouldn't we? I understand that we know little about them, and the last thing I want to do is fuel a massive debate, but I think they at least deserve a little mention, no matter how ambiguous, somewhere rather than "What Pokémon? Huh? Who? Where? There's no Pokémon here!".--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 01:55, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:[[Diancie|Diancie has an article already.]] As for the second issue, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Editor%27s_Hub&diff=prev&oldid=2001611 you can see it has been talked about for a long, long time.] So, since this still has not been settled for everyone, I will try to sum up what we have and do not have, among other things. This debate has centered around the following Pokémon: Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion, Mega Latios, Mega Latias, two Vivillon forms, one Floette form, and one Plate Arceus. Here is how things have been sorted: Diancie has an article, Mega Latios and Mega Latias have the information on several articles, Vivillon forms have been distributed, Floette is AZ's, Arceus can be transfered to Gen VI, and nothing for Hoopa and Volcanion. So, why not create the articles? Because they have not been [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ghost_(type)&diff=prev&oldid=2141974 officially released yet]. Granted, I am paraphrasing [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] and potentially taking their words out of context. On the opposite side of this [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AEon_duo&diff=2078959&oldid=2078846 is how the Mega Latios/Latias info was given approval.] Again, I am linking to [[User:SnorlaxMonster]] has said in the past and about a different issue that may not apply. I would have recommend asking if Hoopa and Volcanion could be added to the [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation VI)]], which is the [[Index number]] counterpart to the [[List of items by index number (Generation VI)|items]], [[List of moves|moves]], [[List of locations by index number (Generation VI)|location]], and [[Ability#List of Abilities|ability]] articles. However, the article has not currently be created at this point in time, so I do not believe I can recommend that action. Regardless of not being able to help, I hope that this somehow explains why we are not making that many references to them or their moves. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:38, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I will attempt to make the pages but ill be going on vacation soon.

[[User:AQUAAA|AQUAAA]] ([[User talk:AQUAAA|talk]]) 17:07, 17 December 2014 (UTC)AQUAAA

Oh yeah, Steam Eruption And Hyperspace hole are real moves.

[[User:AQUAAA|AQUAAA]] ([[User talk:AQUAAA|talk]]) 17:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)AQUAAA

Do anyone have Kana for their species name? --[[User:ShadowCrush|ShadowCrush]] ([[User talk:ShadowCrush|talk]]) 22:55, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

--[[User:AQUAAA|AQUAAA]] ([[User talk:AQUAAA|talk]]) 16:57, 31 January 2015 (UTC) Bulbagarden has a page on all 3, but not the signature moves.

== Editing of [[Headbutt (move)|Headbutt]] ==

Basically, I just went to add that Bibarel is confirmed to learn the move at Lv.18 (no idea about the pre-evo yet, but I trust it's also the same). It seems that I am unable to save edits to that page. Do we know what is causing this? I just edited [[Acupressure (move)|Acupressure]] without a problem a few minutes ago. Meanwhile, I tried the chat room, but it's more interested in a bot trivia game (now over 1,300 questions in!) and the other official channel is - well - dead. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:40, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:I tried to edit it and it didn't go through. Maybe it's the amount of templates on the page? It's the only thing that really sets apart enough from other moves for it to be the only one to be uneditable. I'll see if someone can figure it out. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 20:21, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if any of them are complete, some could perhaps be converted to generic tables and left in like that (if they get vandalized, they can easily be restored). That might help with that issue. But then, I wondered why the learnset table was so far down. Clearly trying to include Headbutt as it applies to G/S/C. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:41, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Pages with lots of code transcluded to them, such as the code used in the template, exceed the maximum amount of code able to be used on a MediaWiki page. This limit is unable to be changed. The Headbutt page seems to be just before that limit. The page can be saved, it just takes a huge amount of time and a few attempts. But, any longer, and parts of the page will seemingly go missing, starting from the bottom up. We had a similarly large page on Wikisimpsons. We ended up needing to split the page up into several pages as huge tables of information just vanished. That might have to be done here too. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:48, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::::If you'd like, I can take a look at it between assigning moves. I think provided the main page has the same types of data as the rest of the moves, it should be easy to move other data to a secondary page that doesn't need much editing. Also, if I cut the information off the existing one and save, I should have no problem saving less data.
::::With that said, if you'd rather do it later, understood. But it keeps me and others from adding data to it until it's done, hence why I'd like to look at it. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:53, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

(Indent reset, any replies to the above can continue there, this is a separate segment.)

I have copied from [[Headbutt (move)|Headbutt]] the data that I think can be removed from the page. What I will suggest is taking this off the page and having it linked separately on the page. This will bring the page data down to a more useable level that saving issues will hopefully be reduced. The current location of the copied data is [[User:CycloneGU/Headbutt|in my userspace]]. I'm open to working on the piece there and then moving it to the article space when it's ready for inclusion as a separate page. Or we can move it immediately and work on it already linked from the main page. What do you folks think? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:03, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:I think wait for input from admins before anything major is done to the page. Although the only way I can see the page being editable again is by splitting it up in my expert opinion (expert as I've encountered this issue before :P) ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 21:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::This is why I have already copied the data separately to my userspace. That way an admin. can move it to an appropriate title, the data removed from [[Headbutt (move)|Headbutt]], and the link made between the articles. I agree, this issue was encountered six or seven months ago by someone on that talk page, and we can't deal with this over and over. We might even need to reduce the size of some of the lists at the bottom of the page by indicating all Pokémon in the previous list are also on the following list, and just not list them; however, that is a more drastic change I won't explore at this time. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:10, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::I just had a separate afterthought as well (hence the almost immediate new edit, this is not a preview issue). The list of Pokémon learning the move by TM can be included on the second article. It only applies to the second generation (for now) and we can remove it from the main article, again to save space. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:12, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::(Addendum) I have copied the TM information to my userspace. Again, no edits have been made to the main page yet, and I'd like to help work on a separate article regarding Headbutt and the mechanics as used in Generations II and IV in G/S/C/HG/SS (hence why it's in my userspace right now, but I'm open to it being moved to the main space if admins. approve the idea). The obvious alternative is to not be able to edit the main page or have data go missing; this at least preserves the data. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:21, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::For the record, I think it would be more appropriate to move the lists of Pokemon that can be found via Headbutt. Learnlists should all remain together, but we do have [[Hidden Power calculation|precedent]] for moving lengthy material about how a move works to a separate page rather than keeping it on the same one. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:34, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::For the sake of full disclosure, I also [[User talk:Force Fire#Headbutt|brought this up]] with one of the admins. personally. Because Headbutt was only a TM in Generation II (replacing [[Razor Wind (move)|Razor Wind]] but since becoming [[Dragon Claw (move)|Dragon Claw]] in Gen. III, which has not changed since), and was likely made such for the specific reason of allowing players to buy the TM for repeated use teaching Pokémon the move to attack random trees, I have made the recommendation that the TM move data be placed there for that reason. I've provided additional points at the linked location.
::::The TM section alone is 11,000 bytes of data, and with the page causing problems due to being so large, any space we can get would be useful at this point. If it is deemed after staff discussion that it should stay there, I would recommend putting the data on a page by itself and transcluding the data to the page. This could technically be done on both pages, in fact, since the data specifically applies to that game where the mechanic occurs. That way, the string putting the data on one or both pages is a simple string, and the data is its own page.
::::For examples of how transclusion works, head over to Wikipedia and see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NHL_season 2013-14 NHL season], specifically under Standings. All four charts there are located on other pages and edited on those pages due to the daily updating on each compared to the article itself. This way, people editing the standings and people editing the rest of the article aren't running into constant edit conflicts. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::UPDATE: Again, for full disclosure, see [[User:CycloneGU/Headbutt]] for how I'm proposing to reclaim the space on the page. I don't know if this is ideal for the staff, but the data I am recommending to transclude in this case should never have to be edited again, so the data page can be locked and the importing line in the article commented above and below warning not to modify that line. Of course, the data page would be moved first, hence why it's still a proposal. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:31, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::I've split the wild Pokémon only off into [[Headbutt (move)/Wild Pokémon]], as this needed to be fixed swiftly, since it was preventing editing of the page altogether. If you think the scope of the subpage should be different, please bring that up on its talk page. I'm not even that sure we need these lists (for HGSS, since Pokémon encountered are dependent on area rather than what category of area it is), but they can't stay on the Headbutt page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:02, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::I still can't save edits to a segment of the page. I still propose, since the TM data should never be edited, doing the same thing there by moving the page in my usersdpace and linking that there. Unless it's just a case of the cache needing to be dumped, in which case it may work after that's done. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::It certainly can be edited now, because my edit moving the wild Pokémon lists off the page went through. And if the issue is being unable to save a specific section, it is unlikely to be due to the number of templates; in fact, IIRC you can still edit sections of a page that is too big to save. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:16, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::As for keeping the TM list on the page, it has less to do with editing than it does with reading. A major reason people go to move pages is to see what can learn it (I would assume), and I don't want to split up learnlists across multiple pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:18, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Re TMs: did you see the page I created in my userspace? No, that's not the layout I propose, but I basically copied the TM data as it currently appears to a separate document, which allows the header to still be edited (I grabbed after the header up to the next header, for the next table).
:::::::::Re editing Headbutt, it FINALLY went through. so I'm satisfied with it now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:20, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

== Wild Hold Items ==

I've been a member for about ten minutes and I probably have no chance of anyone seeing this... but how about a page that states the Pokemon that hold certain items in the wild including the item and the hold percentage. Possibly even moves or abilities that change the item's effect or position like unnerve or thief. I'm not sure but I think it'd be helpful. {{unsigned|8BitRevenge}}
:Actually, this is already done. On sections for items, if a wild Pokemon holds it in the wild in a game it is found in, the game section for that item lists it. The same for a Pokemon's page (under the "Held items" section), although it is only on the Pokemon's page that the percentage for that item is listed.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 03:37, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::That list is [[List of Pokémon by wild held item|here]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:41, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

== Dream World Moves ==

This deserves attention. Dream World no longer needs its own section because, well, the Dream World is closing (at least in terms of naptime and usefulness) as of December 14. Additionally, we are updating Pokémon pages for Gen. VI now; since Dream World isn't there, we should not include it as a section.

With that taken into account, do we or do we not have a place to list moves that are learnable in an earlier generation? If so, all Dream World moves should be moved to that location. We can also update those lists to take into account moves learned via Move Tutor in prior generations, or learned via TMs that no longer exist. If a move can be learned by breeding, we don't even need to list the Dream World move; see [[Pawniard (Pokémon)|Pawniard]], whose moves [[Psycho Cut (move)|Psycho Cut]] and [[Sucker Punch (move)|Sucker Punch]] are learnable via breeding. However, in the case of [[Butterfree (Pokémon)|Butterfree]], we have [[Air Cutter (move)|Air Cutter]] and [[Roost (move)|Roost]] unlearnable via breeding since Caterpie cannot learn any moves through breeding itself, and thus those moves belong in that section on Butterfree's page (which I've started updating except for the DW section).

Thoughts? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:They're already on the "Generation V learnset" subpages (here's {{DL|Butterfree (Pokémon)/Generation V learnset|Dream World moves|Butterfree's}}, for example). I think that's fine, isn't it? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

::That's my opinion as well. The question is whether other editors want to preserve them in some way.
::I'm actually going to remove it from Butterfree now pending opinion on this. I'm about to pull Butterfree out to level up. The only thing I can't fully check yet is the TM list, but I can start that. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:48, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Time travel and Time Travel ==

There are two pages with the same name differentiated by a capital letter: [[Time travel]] and [[Time Travel]]. Both have links to the other page (I added the one to Time Travel), but this is still quite confusing to have it like this. Wouldn't it make more sense to have Time Travel renamed Time Travel (e-reader application)? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 23:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I coudn't agree more!--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== I have a question... ==

I've noticed that the facility trainers (in the Battle Frontier, Maison, Contests, etc.) have the same name/team/quotes. Since these trainers are recurring, is it important that we put them on the page for their respective locations? Just wondering. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:33, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
:I don't think they have the same teams (at least for battle facilities; contests might). There is a pool of Pokémon that each Trainer has their Pokémon randomly selected from. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:21, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages format ==

I am pretty strongly of the opinion that most of the disambiguation pages are currently formatted badly. The numeric pages like [[046]] appear to have "good" formats, with the "disambiguated" links at the beginning; but it appears that just about all other disambiguation pages, like [[Aaron]], use a bad format, with the disambiguated links only appearing ''after'' the description.

It's hard to provide a concrete reason why this is "bad". One possible rationale is that, in many cases, an article title alone can be enough to know which article you want, and any description appearing before that link just gets in the way; by contrast, anyone who ''needs'' that description text is not at all inconvenienced if it appears after the link. Another possible rationale is simply that, without the disambiguated article title at the beginning, I simply have nothing concrete to link the description with initially, so it's just a little abstract...

It may be worth noting that Wikipedia's manual of style for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Disambiguation_pages#Individual_entries disambiguation pages] specifies that the (relevant) link should come first.

Mostly, though, I just ''know'' that, for example, the Metronome disambiguation page works better like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Metronome&oldid=2032134 this] than like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Metronome&oldid=2032138 this]. It always irritates me seeing the latter and having to navigate it...

Do others agree that the "disambiguated" links should be written first? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:29, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
:Agreed, and it is an involved project, but would improve Bulbapedia's consistency and navigation. - [[User:Poikins|'''poi''']][[User talk:Poikins|'''kins''']] 21:55, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

== Retrieving Information Question ==

While I was looking around on the site for something to improve, I discovered that Bulbapedia doesn't have a page for Style in Lumiose City. I would like to make this page, and I found another page on Serebii that seems to help. However, I don't want to just copy information. How should I handle this? [http://www.serebii.net/xy/lumiosestyle.shtml Here's the page]
Also, should I just add this information to the page [[Lumiose City]] instead, once I get the information?
[[User:Lnwz|Lnwz]] ([[User talk:Lnwz|talk]]) 00:44, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

== Proof requirement for hatch times? ==

Hello my friends!
Noah speaking, I was planning on doing some research into the hatch times of certain unconfirmed Pokemon. What form of proof would you require? I could film it and add a footnote, or would you prefer multiple tests/people working on the same egg?

[[User:Polishpeo12|Polishpeo12]] ([[User talk:Polishpeo12|talk]]) 18:54, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
:Unless there is some reason to doubt a hatch time you write down, then I don't think you need a source. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 23:16, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

== Skrelp ==
Hello. In Skrelp's page, I realized that in the trivia section, it says that Skrelp was the only Poison type introduced in the 6th generation. I think that's untrue. Wouldn't Mega Venusaur and Mega Gengar count as new Poison-type Pokémon? ([[User:Hoogachakka|Hoogachakka]] ([[User talk:Hoogachakka|talk]]) 02:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC))
:No, they wouldn't. Mega Evolutions are not new species.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:29, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

== Overworld Sprites ==

Hello! I noticed a problem with the top of a Kalos Pokémon page, where it says which Pokémon comes previously and next in the National Dex. It doesn't have the sprites of the Pokémon. I can easily retrieve the pictures, so how do I edit those?
{{unsigned|Hoogachakka}}
:You upload images through the Bulbagarden Archives, though you'll want to contact an administrator because no one has been able to provide the sprites without stealing them or get permission from other sites. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:17, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
:I was going to take a picture of the sprite in the game, then upload it to my computer, then photoshop it to be just the sprite. That way, it's my photo. ([[User:Hoogachakka|Hoogachakka]] ([[User talk:Hoogachakka|talk]]) 02:37, 28 December 2013 (UTC))
::You mean, take a photo with a camera? That's going to produce a very low-quality image. We need pixel-for-pixel faithfulness to the games, so a capture card is the only option. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:49, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
:::There are a few images on the archives that are recreated images without taking it directly from the games, but I do not believe that the practice is recommended. I would contact an administrator on the archives if this would be acceptable. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 04:03, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

== Regarding APNG images ==

In using Bulbapedia as a reference for various Moves, I noticed you employ the APNG format, however many of the animations are unnecessarily large. I've personally spent quite a bit of time building and deconstructing APNGs in order to understand the format. I thought I'd start my contributions by providing and animated version of [[a:File:Reflect_III.png|Reflect]]. Before I upload it though, I'd like to confirm my suspicion that the existing animations are intentionally split with the first frame being midway through the loop so that APNG unaware browsers will still display a useful illustration of the move. --[[User:GARY-DOS|GARY-DOS]] ([[User talk:GARY-DOS|talk]]) 06:21, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
:Yes, it is intentional to have the unanimated frame be still a useful image. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

== Version Exclusive Trainers ==

I apologize if this is not the correct area to talk about this. The character box for trainers is made up of several templates, which means there is not a core talk page for this to go to. After the debacle of exploring Mt. Mortar in Gold (gen II) with every possible resource online and through game play, I have come to the realization, unless I still have not explored well enough, that three out of the four trainers are more than likely version exclusive to Crystal version. That being said, there is not an area in the trainer box to show if certain trainers are version exclusive. Due to this, articles with trainer boxes which do not state the specifics of certain version exclusive trainers are misleading, which should be fixed. That being said, I do not know exactly how many trainers are version exclusive, and I am aware that determining that would take a lot of time. One may say that due to it costing a lot of time to calculate the above, as well as it being so specific, that it doesn't matter. I wish to know the opinions of others to see if this is necessary...not just for my sake, but for any other viewer using Bulbapedia for information about locations and the trainers within them. [[User:Qj|Qj]] ([[User talk:Qj|talk]]) 02:30, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
:(Now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure I remember my old VersusBooks guide from my childhood mentioning that the Trainers were new to Crystal. So I'm pretty sure you're right.) I wouldn't think it's necessary to change the templates. I think we should just be able to use separate section headers (i.e., it's "Generation II" now, so we could add a subheader under it for "Crystal only"). As for the time necessary, that may be an obstacle, but no logistical obstacle should be considered large enough to make us not even ''try'' to compile correct information. If we try and fail, sure, and the topic will almost certainly attract very little attention, but giving up before the start seems defeatist. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:17, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
::Just so you know, a good amount of pages already have version exclusives separated (for example: {{rt|115|Hoenn}} has the trainers separated between Ruby and Sapphire (where all the trainers are pretty much the same) and Emerald, with trainers who have differences being marked off. It's the same with Generation IV Routes like ({{rt|212|Sinnoh}})). If any Routes aren't marked with version exclusive trainers it was either done by someone with one game assuming they all have the same trainers, or don't have version exclusives. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 05:46, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Thank you for the clarification on the issue. I would have seen the separation, but the articles I visited had none of the separation you talked about above. I hope that editors willing to make edits to trainer boxes in the future will first make sure their information spans through all games of the generation in question, as to prevent future misunderstandings for all future viewers. (StrategyWiki, in general, is not as accurate compared to this site due to the large community.) [[User:Qj|Qj]] ([[User talk:Qj|talk]]) 06:31, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

==Mega Eon Duo are now Available to the Public through Cheat Codes==
A hacking company has released cheat codes to get the Mega Eon Duo, and the Internet is now roaming with players using these Mega Evolutions. Does this mean it's now okay to acknowledge the existence of the Mega Eon Duo and add them to the pages around Bulbapedia? [[User:Nintendocan|Nintendocan]] ([[User talk:Nintendocan|talk]]) 03:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
:were not allowed to aknowledge them until Nintendo actually reveals them apparently. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 03:43, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
::It's more along the lines of "We don't like using stuff that we didn't find ourselves if Nintendo hasn't revealed it". We'll get pages once Bulbapedia contributors get the cheating device required to obtain them--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 06:04, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
:::We currently do mention them: check the [[Mega Stone]], [[Mega Evolution]], [[Latios (Pokémon)]], [[Latias (Pokémon)]], etc. pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:04, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Yeah, that comment was made a while before that round of edits.----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 22:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::Shouldn't we have an image of them?--<sc>✓[[User:PikaTepig999|Pika]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|Tepig]][[Special:Contributions/Pikatepig999|999]]✓</sc> 09:58, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

== Blaziken Mask/Meyer ==

All right, so the episode that reveals the fact that these are the same character just so happened to air this morning. There is no more spoiler for North America, only for those who haven't seen the episode. As I don't believe it's natural to try to prevent spoilers five years down the line (hey, I only started watching the anime a couple of years or so ago), I think it's time that the two pages be merged. This has been brought up at {{red link|Talk:Blaziken Mask|Blaziken Mask's talk page}} and eventually [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABlaziken_Mask&diff=2035685&oldid=2031839 confirmed] by [[User:Blazingfist|Blazingfist]] there, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Blaziken_Mask&diff=next&oldid=2035685 another opinion given for a merge], and even [[Talk:Meyer|Meyer's talk page]] was [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Meyer&oldid=2075735 created] with a note that it should be the new home of the [[Blaziken Mask]] information.

I first commented on [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMeyer&diff=2090589&oldid=2089765 March 17] (actually evening of March 16 for me) also noting we need to make the move within a week. No response followed until [[User:Mkbw50|Mkbw50]] suggested [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMeyer&diff=2092108&oldid=2090589 continuing use of spoiler tags] on the merged page; I disagree with this myself since it's known they are the same character now. Blazingfist and myself have since [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMeyer&diff=2092827&oldid=2092108 commented further], but I decided it was time to bring more visibility to this and get more editor opinion on this.

So...it's time to merge [[Meyer]] and [[Blaziken Mask]]. They are the same character; continuing to keep the pages separated implies they are different people, which would not be prudent for us to do. Let's discuss a merge. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:25, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

== Event-exclusive moves ==

Is there a list or category of them? If so, can someone direct me to it? If not, should it be created? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:14, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
:I don't think one exists. A category sounds like a good idea. As far as I know, the event-exclusive moves we currently have pages for are {{m|V-create}}, {{m|Hold Back}}, {{m|Celebrate}} and {{m|Happy Hour}}. Plus, some of the moves we know exist but don't know how to get in-game might be event-exclusive. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:56, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

== Prior to Generation (#) ==

Just notice that in Pokedex entries, "This Pokemon is unavailable prior to Generation (#)" is written. But as for sprites, all the genrations are listed, and then, "This Pokemon did not appear in Gen (#)" is written. Can't we just write "This Pokemon did not appear prior to Gen (#)"? [[User:TrainerTantei|TrainerTantei]] ([[User talk:TrainerTantei|talk]]) 07:52, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
:I agree! [[User:Player3.25|By player 3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 19:21, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

== Adding information to the anime episodes ==
I'm slightly new to Bulbapedia, and would like to contribute to the episode guide and the pages containing the episode information of the XY series by adding some broadcasting information, but the thing is I don't know how to add that info and would like to know. [[User:Jamie64326|Jamie64326]] ([[User talk:Jamie64326|talk]]) 13:50, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

== Vertical line thing ==

I can't figure out how to get the following line thing: | (I had to copy and paste that). Does anyone know how? [[User:Player3.25|Player3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 20:21, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
:On standard American keyboards, it's the key above '''Enter''' ('''Return''') on the same key as the '''Backslash''' ( '''\''' ), but typed by holding '''Shift'''. On other keyboards I do not know the answer. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 21:06, 6/21/2014 (UTC)

That's OK, but I'm from Ireland. [[User:Player3.25|Player3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 07:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
:Look for the key with "|\" on. Shift click that. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 07:49, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Which row is it in? I can't find that key anywhere on the keyboard. [[User:Player3.25|By Player3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 16:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

:Apparently it should be [http://www.chrismary.com/languagekeyboard/layouts/irish_keyboard.jpg next to the Z], but there's a note here saying it's not on all keyboards. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 16:19, 6/22/2014 (UTC)

Oh. It's on my keyboard, but on the actual key, it shows 2 short vertical lines with a gap between them, but when I typed it, this came up: | Thanks! [[User:Player3.25|By Player3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 18:05, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

== How do I know when I can create pages? ==

I know you can create pages when you have edited enough articles, but how do I know when I've done that? Does it alert me or something? [[User:Player3.25|The person]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 18:41, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
:No alert, you can just be able to create your user page. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 21:22, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

== How do you replace images? ==

Does anybody know how to replace the images in the boxes with captons on pages? [[User:Player3.25|By player 3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 16:53, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
:We have [[:a:Main Page|separate server]] for files. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 16:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
??? [[User:Player3.25|By player 3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 18:00, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
:You need to go there and upload new pictures in order to replace them here. Also, please make sure to use colons (<nowiki>:</nowiki>) when responding to posts in order to indent your message. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 18:12, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

== How do you create info boxes? ==

How do you create information boxes? [[User:Player3.25|By player 3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 19:18, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

== Type percentages ==

I noticed that the percentages on the type pages are wrong, so I made [[User:TheSilentHero/Type Count|this]] page with the correct numbers. Would it be all right to change this in the type pages? [[User:TheSilentHero|TheSilentHero]] ([[User talk:TheSilentHero|talk]]) 09:37, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

==Demographics==
I'm getting the feeling that some of the populations are incorrect. For one, Safari Zone Gate seems to be way lower than it should be, and the attendants in the Pokemon Centre dont seem to be counted at all. Yet, The Talk Page of both Black City and White Forest has someone saying they should be. A lot of people seem to be unclear on this scince Ive seen comments of people on other Talk pages not being sure. I'm just gonna go ahead with (slowly but surely) recounting Johto, Kanto and possibly Sinnoh's cities and towns, including Pokemon Centre's Marts, and Gates. I'm ignoring Hoenn because that will change in OR/AS anyways and ignoring Unova because I dont know what Castelia City/Nimbasa City people were counted and which werent. And I dont have X/Y yet so cant count Kalos. Also, the older regions have been here a while, so checking stuff for them might have slowed down too. If anyone wants to help, or comment on this, then go on ahead. Just posting this here since I think a heads up would be necessary. [[User:Smear-Gel|Smear-Gel]] ([[User talk:Smear-Gel|talk]]) 22:13, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

== Hoopa page ==

First thing's first: Will we use my [[User:Phiraptor28/Hoopa_(Pokémon)|Hoopa page]] as the official page? *not bragging*
Secondly: And if we're gonna use the page, we have two options: 1. Wait for Hoopa's Forme Differences to be released before using the page; and 2. Edit the Hoopa page to hide the info about Hoopa Unbound. Thanks for reading! Sorry, I sometimes get a little too excited. '''Too excited''' :) [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 13:55, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

== Hatching Undiscovered Eggs ==

How come the Pokémon in the Undiscovered Egg Group have egg cycles listed? Surely this is pointless information, right? ''' ''Scribbl'' ''' 13:08, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:It's just game data, so while it may not actually be used, it is still there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

==Let's Hold Hands==
Hi! Can a staff member remove Let's Hold Hands (a Korean ending theme) from the wanted pages list? I've made the page but under a slightly different translated name :)--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(Talk)''']] 06:30, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

== Wonder mail ==

I would put wonder mail codes in items and pokemon for [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] but I do not know how to put down the codes. How would I do this? [[User:Musicjax|Musicjax]] ([[User talk:Musicjax|talk]]) 00:27, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
:The only Wonder Mail codes that are appropriate for Bulbapedia are those that are required to unlock otherwise unaccessible content, such as Wonder Mail-exclusive events and version-exclusive Pokémon. The appropriate articles for such Wonder Mail codes should already contain a code that will unlock the content ([[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team#Wonder Mail codes|Example]]). - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 02:38, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

== Use of files from built-in screenshot functions ==

I wish to add to the pages pertaining to locations in Pokémon Rumble World. Is it appropriate to use images taken with Rumble World's "Take Photos" feature, or should I leave it to someone with a capture card? [[User:Spongeabc5|Spongeabc5]] ([[User talk:Spongeabc5|talk]]) 01:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
:I don't play Pokémon rumble world (my charger broke for my 3ds) but, if the take photos feature takes screenshots then this would probably be ok. [[User:Musicjax|Musicjax]] 23:13, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
::If you are taking shots in-stage and posting, say, the entire top image as an example of gameplay in a stage, that is perfectly fine. The concern is for certain types of images; I'm trying to milk decent images out of the lower-screen JPGs that would, as JPGs, not be sufficient quality (I do re-save them as PNG), but in-game screens are perfectly viable and are even [[Gold Plateau|already in use]]. Ideally, it'd be nice to have at least one generic shot and one boss battle - maybe including a legendary periodically, but not always - in each area. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:26, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

== Time Space Axis M12 ==

I have one ready in my [[User:Upratik 12/Time-Space Axis (M12)|user space]] ready, if it's enough i would like it to move it to the mainspace --[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 20:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

== Filter Problem ==

I'm having an issue where, on a lot of pages, pressing the move-sorting filter will arrange the moves in an order for a different category. Instead of categorising moves by Type after pressing the arrow next to the "Type" heading, for example, the moves will be sorted in order of highest to lowest Accuracy. On the pages where this happens, it always categorises moves according to the fourth filter to the right. Pressing "Category" should order moves depending on whether they're physical, special, or status, but instead it goes in PP order. The "Power" filter sorts moves into an order depending on their Contest category, the "Accuracy" filter orders them by their Contest Appeal, and the "PP" filter orders them by their Contest Jamming level. This could just be my computer spazzing out, but it happens for me on a lot of pages. Is this a site bug? ''' ''Scribbl'' ''' 09:40, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:This [[Talk:Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#Correction|has been noticed]]. In short, the problem is that most of the tables do actually work, but if the tutor table is on the same page as anything else, somehow it seems to screw up the sorting of the other tables. It's not an easy thing to troubleshoot. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:31, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding the new Manaphy event ==

I tried to translate part of the site with the Water Tribe Manaphy, and got this. Some of it may be wrong.
Is this useful at all?

Ribbon: 위시리본 (Wish Ribbon).
Ball: 프레셔스볼 (Precious Ball).
Fathers (possibly OT): 물의일족 (Water Clan).
Item: 없음 (None.)
{{unsigned|Keeby358}}
:We already have this information listed here: {{DL|List of Korean region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Water Tribe Manaphy}}. Thanks for the help though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

== Hoopa page ==

Hoopa's page is protected and hence I cannot make this change to the article. The change is that on the page it is written that the prison bottle has not been officialy revealed, which is wrong. Also it is written that Hoopa Unbound is also not officially revealed. {{unsigned|PokemonCool|21:54, 13 July 2015}}
:You should bring it up on the {{talk|relevant talk page|Hoopa (Pokémon)}}. Also, sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. -''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 16:31, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

== How do i translate an entire page? ==

hey, im pretty new here, and i want to know,
how do i translate an entire page?
i really want to do this, and i will be more than happy if someone will answer me.
have a good day :) {{unsigned|Nunutrxh}}
:Our [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis]] partners have pages about topics written by native speakers of that language; they have pages in German, French, Italian, Japanese, Polish, and Chinese. If you need a Bulbapedia page translated into another language, then you'll have to use Google Translate or another online translation service. Also, in the future, please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
::pherhaps you missed understood me, i dont want a to see a translated page, i want to translate it by myself. is thtat an option? sorry if the way i wrote it sounds rude, i dont know how to write proper english letters and such <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. 11:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC) {{unsigned|Nunutrxh}}
:::Yeah, you've got to remove the nowiki tags for your signature to work correctly. Just use the four ~. As for your question, you may translate it depending on what you want to do with the translated stuff. -''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 11:57, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
::::If you click the "edit" button at the top of a page, you can see the source code of a page. You can translate that text into whichever language you like. If you plan on rehosting it somewhere else, as a derivative work, it is subject to the CC BY-NC-SA 2.5 license, which requires you to [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ follow the license terms]. If you're interested in translating pages into your language for Bulbapedia itself, I unfortunately don't believe that we are in need of that content at the moment. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 12:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

== Contest conditions ==

I need to add Oras moves and effects for contest spectaculars. However, for the addition, the chart needs a new column. How do you add one? I am a new user. Please help. Sincerely, Tripplekittys. {{unsigned|Tripplekittys}}
:I'm sorry to tell you this, but right now you can't add new info to that template. There's a draft for a new one [[User:Kogoro/Movelist/contest|over here]], but I don't know when it will be moved to the mainspace, maybe when we get remakes of ''Pokémon Diamond'' and ''Pearl'' so the shitload of moves in need of Contest data will be even bigger and the chart even messier. On another note, please sign your posts with four tildes (~) in the future. Thank you! --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 00:31, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Hello, I had just made an account to help complete the Contest condition move tables. Looking at this discussion makes this seem unlikely to happen, but I figured I would ask to see if there has been any progress since the original post? And if not, is there anyway that I can get a hold of that linked template and attempt to work on overhauling the whole section? Thank you in advance for the help. [[User:LiteRed|liteRed]] ([[User talk:LiteRed|talk]]) 04:48, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

== Linking to items with their own articles on "List of items" pages. ==

On the various "List of items" pages, is there a way to properly link to the articles of items that have their own articles?

'''Example''': In the entry for [[Destiny Knot]], the section has the small words "Red Thread", which in turn has a link to a Wikipedia page about the "Red String of Fate". If "Destiny Knot" had its own Bulbapedia article, would there be a way to make the bold-faced words "Destiny Knot" point to such an article? It appears that I am having link/template difficulties.. Thanks in advance for the help. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 04:04, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

== what can I do in there? ==

Hey guys i'm a user in this wiki.but i don't know what can i do in there,before BLUBAPEDIA wiki i have worked at 52poke wiki,so what should i do?Although my English is bad but please tell me what can i do,thankyou.--[[User:52poke yellow|'''₥Yellow''']] '''¤from52poke〆''' [[User talk:52poke yellow|'''don't''''''fight''']] 13:40, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Change "Start" and "--" for level up move levels ==

We should change all occurrences of "Start" in Pokemon level up tables (like [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#By leveling up]]) and "--" in move level up tables (like [[Tackle (move)#By leveling up]]) to "1". Certainly for Generations IV+ at least; maybe for Generations I-III as well.

;WHY<nowiki>:</nowiki>

I bred myself a {{p|Pumpkaboo}} (so, it knew its three "Start" moves) and then traded it to myself through the GTS at level 1 and it evolved into {{p|Gourgeist}}. And after it evolved, it learned {{m|Explosion}} and then was asked to learn {{m|Phantom Force}}. Again: ''at level 1''.

Gourgeist's [[Gourgeist (Pokémon)#By leveling up|level up table]] says "Start" for Explosion and Phantom Force (and etc). (Likewise, in Explosion's [[Explosion (move)#By leveling up|level up table]], Gourgeist's row says "--, 75".) But if I can learn those moves at level 1, that field should ''say'' "1". If I can learn it at level 1, there's no good reason to say "Start" or "--" instead. If it ''doesn't'' say "1", that implies I ''can't'' learn it at level 1.

I also tested this same thing with a bred level 1 {{p|Slowpoke}} in Gen IV. I traded one each to Pearl and Platinum holding King's Rocks, and after they evolved, they learned {{m|Power Gem}} ([[Slowking (Pokémon)/Generation IV learnset|only in Platinum]]) and {{m|Hidden Power}}. So: again, these moves are plainly at level "1"; not "Start".

This isn't possible to test directly in Generations I-III, since none of those games [[Experience#Experience underflow glitch|have wild Pokemon at lv 1]] (and bred Pokemon start at level 5 instead of 1). I may (''maybe'') try to use some cheat codes/ROM editing to test the behavior, though.

;USE "1"

So. As I said at the start, we should change all "Start" and "--" to "1" for at least Generations IV-VI. I suppose it's kind of a moot point whether we also do that for Generations I-III since, as I also said, there's no natural way to evolve any Pokemon at level 1 in those games. But, if the game does treat those "Start" moves as learnable at level 1, then I tend to think we should use accurate terminology...

Of course, this is a big project. I'm sure staff want to at least approve it first. I don't know, maybe staff would even want to do it entirely by themselves. But, as much change as it may require, this is '''''absolutely''''' something that needs to be done. We cannot call "Start" and "--" 'good enough'. They are inaccurate, misleading; they're not even ''necessary'' if "1" is true. And it is. This needs to be changed.

[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:38, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

: (WHY) Alright, this might be a bit of rambling, but this is what I have. While still being part speculation at this time, I believe the original intent was possibly to the term "Starting Moves" being shortened to the word "Start." The [[Move Reminder]] article mentions that one of the reason for wanting to learn a move with the Move Reminder is if "the species (has) more than four starting moves" and that Healing Wish is "one of Lopunny's starting moves." It seems that a move that can be learned at Level 1 is considered a "Start Move," whether it is an unofficial term, an official term, or a fan term. More evidence for this can be found with [[User:Mazion]] who [[Special:Contributions/Mazion|use the wording "starter move" several times]] and an issue involving [[Seaking_(Pokémon)#Trivia|Seaking "learning" Supersonic twice in Gen II]]. Additionally, [[Talk:Generation_IV_hybrid#.22Start.22_and_.22Level_1.22_moves...|the talk page for the Generation IV hybrids shows a conversation that associates "Start" with Level 1]]. Oddly, moves themselves never use the term "Start" and instead use "--" like on [[Reflect Type (move)]].
: (USE 1) I will note that since at least sometime around Generation IV, the template started to use the following note: 'A level of "Start" indicates a move that will be known by a Bulbasaur obtained at level 1 in Generation VI.' The reasoning behind having the note is speculation at this time, though it might have to do with attempting to explain what "Start" means. More, I would like to if the rambling I made earlier is the reasoning behind just not using Level 1. Either way, I am currently content with consistency in all pages.
: (I will note that Tiddlywinks and myself [[User talk:Super goku#Slowking Gen IV|had a small discussion on my talk page]] that highlights a few points as well. Basically on what [[Prima Games]] and Nintendo used in their Strategy guides and {{bp|Project Pokédex}}.)
:--[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:48, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
::The discussion about the Gen IV hybrids seems much too specialized to be relevant (apparently they ''"level up to Level 1 twice"'').
::As far as the note that appeared around Gen IV, it's far from perfect in a couple ways. For one, the wording "obtained" doesn't entirely sound like it would apply to a Pokemon that evolved (like by trade or evo stone). And then, that note is just so very easy to miss or else forget. And at the same time: there's still just no need—at all—to use "Start" if "1" is true (in the process of leveling up/evolving at least). If "1" is true, "Start" is not in any way better than "1". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:21, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:::According to {{u|Kogoro}}, changing "Start" and "--" to "1" has previously been approved due to being listed as level 1 in ''[[Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Guidebook]]''. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:31, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Meaning: this is something it's okay for average users to start fixing anywhere it's currently "Start" or "--"? (Not: staff have been intending to get to it, or something.)
::::Also: on any page, even all the way back to Gen I? (I still don't know how Gen I-III act.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:38, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::I am going to be a bit bold and suggest that Gen III should follow due to the FRLG Strategy guide. Otherwise, I would just suggest consistency with all Learnsets. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 05:19, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Bump.
::::::(I don't mean this to sound like some sort of "threat", but:) I suppose if there's no answer, I can just go ahead and try editing a number of pages and just see like that if staff minds. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:11, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Kogoro has given approval to change "--" or "Start" to "1". --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:22, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Based on The Official Kalos Guidebook mentioned above. Tiddlywinks wants staff approval that any user can make the changes and that it goes back to Generation I learnsets as well. Personally, I would like some clarification as well. (Especially since we do sometimes based specific styles on specific Generations.) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Guys. Kogoro said yes. Meaning yes, you may change "Start" or "--" to "1" on '''all''' learnsets, regardless of generation. We want to be consistent here, so all of them should have "1".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== CAPTCHA won't display ==

I'm a new user and I was able to sign up only because of the mobile view option since the desktop view wouldn't display the CAPTCHA. Now that I'm signed up, I can't edit pages with links because doing so requires a CAPTCHA and it still doesn't display. I'm using Chrome. [[User:AmoralCreed|AmoralCreed]] ([[User talk:AmoralCreed|talk]]) 04:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
: I'm also a new user, and I had a similar problem. Then Captcha showed up at the bottom of the "sign in" page and wouldn't accept my entries until (3-4 tries later), it finally displayed in the correct spot. (Also using Chrome, because it tends to run Bulbapedia with fewer hiccups than my IE 11.) [[User:Cybertronian|Cybertronian]] ([[User talk:Cybertronian|talk]]) 04:29, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
:: I had the same problem while signing up, so this is still an issue. However, in my case it might have been due to my NoScript plugin. [[User:Sandrew26|Sandrew26]] ([[User talk:Sandrew26|talk]]) 14:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:: After trying to add external links to a page, the captcha requirement appeared again. Once again, it first appeared at the very bottom of the page, and entering the correct numbers had no effect. The page refreshed and again asked for a captcha, but this time the box was in what I assume was the correct location near the top of the page, and this time entering the numbers worked. I don't have any scripts blocked (noscript shows only bulbagarden.net), and ghostery isn't blocking it, either. I'd upload a picture to show you, but bulbapedia won't let me? I'm on firefox 46.0.01 --[[User:Sandrew26|Sandrew26]] ([[User talk:Sandrew26|talk]]) 13:54, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

== What is the process for updating Game Sprite PNGs/images? ==

I've been using Bulbapedia to help me out as I play with the 3rd Generation Pokémon games (in my case: Sapphire, LeafGreen, FireRed, and Emerald). Recently, I decided to save some of the game sprites and I noticed that the R/S sprites for Jynx weren't consistent with one another. (R/S Normal Jynx had miscolored sprites and noticeable blank spots, mostly in the hands, compared the R/S Shiny Jynx.) Using Paint Shop Pro 9.01, I touched up the sprite, and kept the new image limited to the 15 (plus 1 transparent) colors used on the original image. This way, if someone were to ''manually'' change the palette colors to those of Shiny Jynx (after saving the PNG to their own computer, of course), they would now look indistinguishable. I then joined Bulbapedia so that I could submit my update for review.
That being said, what is the process for submitting a ''new'' image to be reviewed for possible replacement of an ''earlier'' submitted image? [[User:Cybertronian|Cybertronian]] ([[User talk:Cybertronian|talk]]) 04:45, 18 February 2016 (UTC).

== Gen1 sprite order on species pages ==

Is there any particular reason that the Gen1 species pages show the JBlue/Red/Blue sprites first, then Yellow, then Red/Green? Sprites from all other generations are listed by release order, with the "Red" of each pair when they don't use the same sprites. To keep things consistent, (and to easier display how they were changed over time), shouldn't they be ordered as Red/Green, JBlue/Red/Blue, Yellow? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 01:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
:We're an English wiki. English content is our primary concern. That said, Japanese content may be significant as well, which would be why we do include the different R/G sprites; but it's firmly a secondary concern compared to the releases that most English-speakers will actually know.
:And it's not really relevant that everything else is listed in release order, when everything else didn't have the same divergence between what was released in Japanese and what was released in English. That inherently breaks down any such comparison. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:35, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
:As Tiddlywinks said, English content has priority. I don't think it'd hurt if the order were changed to place RG first though. Also, if I may, Red and Blue, from an official standpoint, are nothing more than the Western releases of the Japanese Red, Green, and Blue (Blue provides the engine, Red and Green the version-exclusive content). We really don't need the game articles split into RGB and RB as this distinction is more of a habit than anything else, not to mention that the relevant changes can be explained in detail on their respective articles (e.g.: [[in-game trade]]). But this is just my 2¢ and that's a topic for another date, I guess. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 01:58, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

== Question about updating images. ==

I've noticed many move pages missing Gen VI images, my question is how you take a picture of your Gen VI game as though it was a computer screenshot?
[[User:Sporedragon|Sporedragon]] ([[User talk:Sporedragon|talk]]) 01:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:Through miiverse --[[User:Pyritie|Pyritie]] ([[User talk:Pyritie|talk]]) 10:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
::It is not possible to upload screenshots of the Generation VI games through Miiverse, presumably due to having cases where the 3DS camera is used (Holocaster is one example). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:01, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Grammar error ==

On the Editor's Hub page it says "The follow articles don't meet our standards:", when it should be "following". I didn't see a way to edit it, so I'm leaving a note. [[User:Sandrew26|Sandrew26]] ([[User talk:Sandrew26|talk]]) 14:26, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

== Official Sun and Moon Release Dates ==

I am happy to inform you that Nintendo, through a 3DS notification, has set the official release dates for Sun and Moon as Nov. 18. I request that this be put on the main page ASAP [[User:Destructodon|Destructodon]] ([[User talk:Destructodon|talk]]) 01:38, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
:We've already had that information on the Sun and Moon page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Sun_and_Moon&diff=2439847&oldid=2437102 for more than a month]. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

== Move breeding table width ==

Is it possible to increase the width of the tables in the "by breeding" section on moves? Everything's so squished that it looks silly and it's very difficult to navigate. Look at [[Leech Seed]] for an example -- the minisprites should be on more than one or two columns per generation. --[[User:Pyritie|Pyritie]] ([[User talk:Pyritie|talk]]) 11:02, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

== Accidentally signed a talk page too many times ==

I somehow signed the bottom of this section http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Tapu_Koko_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Name_origin and I can't remove the extra signature because of a "vandal filter 3" error... On a side note, how are people supposed to make edits to something they said on the talk pages if they have to sign their edits literally every time? I swear why do all the wikis I visit always have questionable policies? [[User:Mattwo|Mattwo]] ([[User talk:Mattwo|talk]]) 23:06, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:I've removed the extra signature. As for your other note, you sign every comment you make so other users know who wrote the comment. That should be common sense.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:37, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
::And what about when you're just fixing a typo or something? I shouldn't be forced to place a signature that already exists... [[User:Mattwo|Mattwo]] ([[User talk:Mattwo|talk]]) 07:42, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:::You shouldn't be fixing typos or grammatical errors. You can't edit your message once you've sent it, that's what the preview button is for.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:25, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
::::So you're basically just expecting everyone to '''''always''''' catch all their mistakes right off the bat? Gotta say, that is an unreasonably high expectation. [[User:Mattwo|Mattwo]] ([[User talk:Mattwo|talk]]) 17:12, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Not necessarily. If you spot an error once you've sent the message, you just can't edit it. If you wanted to make sure there were no errors in your message, you should use the preview button. If not, then save away and leave it be. Also, stop altering your comments and you don;t need to sign every time you alter your comments. Only when you make new comments.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:34, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

== Page Request ==

Please set this page's text to what I said in its talk page: {{redlink|After-Cap effect}} {{unsigned|Theawesomer}}

== Page Request (correction) ==

Please set text for this page to my comment in its talk page: {{redlink|After-Cap Effect}}

I made it

--[[User:Theawesomer|Theawesomer]] ([[User talk:Theawesomer|talk]]) 10:01, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
:Minor glitches like that don't get their own articles, they go on the list of glitches in their generation. And I believe it's already on [[List of glitches in Generation I#Inded #000 post-capture|there]]. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 14:07, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

== Is copying and pasting from other sites allowed? ==

I want to write down the plot of chapter 1 of Pocket monsters B2 W2 ~ A new legend manga. Dogasu's backpack already has the plot. I am not sure if I am allowed to copy and past the information on Dogasu's backpack on to the page or if it is considered plagiarism. I am reffering to this page: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/ANL1 [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 17:11, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
:Absolutely not. Please read [[Bulbapedia:FAQ#Can I copy/steal stuff from other sites?|this]]. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 17:18, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

== Find-and-Replace Bot ==

Do we have a bot that can do a find-and-replace for a certain phrase? [[User:Hydroxybutyric|Hydroxybutyric]] ([[User talk:Hydroxybutyric|talk]]) 21:03, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
::Hello...? [[User:Hydroxybutyric|Hydroxybutyric]] ([[User talk:Hydroxybutyric|talk]]) 21:22, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:::♫♪♫ Is it {{u|BulbaBot}} you're looking for? ♫♪♫ (...or rather a related thread thread on [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?forums/bulbawiki-forum.195/ the forums]?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:23, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
::::The user who takes requests for BulbaBot seems to have locked their page, though. [[User:Hydroxybutyric|Hydroxybutyric]] ([[User talk:Hydroxybutyric|talk]]) 14:56, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::BulbaBot's talk page has been locked because it is not a human, so nobody checks its talk page. The staff sometimes use BulbaBot for mass replacement tasks (or their own accounts), but there is no publicly accessible text replacement tool. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:17, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== Research template ==

I need help, how do I write the research needed template? [[User:Mrkubatt 98|Mrkubatt 98]] ([[User talk:Mrkubatt 98|talk]]) 21:14, 1 December 2016 (UTC)Mrkubatt_98
:You can tag pages with <code><nowiki>{{incomplete|needs=REASON GOES HERE}}</nowiki></code>. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:15, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
::How do I add a second reason? --[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 10:23, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

== [tcg] Difference between "Miscellaneous_Promotional_cards_(tcg)" and the "Additional Cards" Section in sets ==

I was going through the older sets aka [[EX_Hidden_Legends_(TCG)]], and noticed that these sets did not have an additional cards section for cards; like the non holo national championship cards. So I then looked at the [[Miscellaneous_Promotional_cards_(TCG)]] and found them there. I also found some of the newer cards like the build a bear workshop pikachu promo there as well.

Should all the miscellaneous promos be in the '''Additional Cards''' section that is on the set's page (minus the jumbos imo) or are there special rules about what goes there? If not I'd love to edit the older sets and add them.

[[User:Pcompaq|Pcompaq]] ([[User talk:Pcompaq|talk]]) 22:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== ''More info for beginner editors'' ==

There should be a list of '''all''' templates and more editing advice so that people that have knowledge of Pokémon but don't know how to edit pages that well can contribute to the wiki. {{unsigned|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon}}
:A [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=&to=&namespace=10 list of all templates] would be excessive and incredibly overwhelming to new editors. The templates most beginners will be interested in are link templates, a list of which can be found at [[BP:LLT]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:54, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
::So where can I find the template for that info thing that is on the right? (also what is that called?)[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 10:13, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub/Archive 1

2016-12-26T10:13:50Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon: /* More info for beginner editors */

== Protection ==
Shouldn't this be protected to prevent vandelism much like the main page is? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 13:04, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
: It is protected.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 20:24, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
::I know it is now, it wasn't when I post the message above. And I stayed up to date on status of the page and thus noticed when it was semi-protected then fully protected. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 20:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
== Tentacool ==

I need help changing one of the type effects of Tentacool over to somewhere else. I am a new member so I don't know how to do all these changes so if someone can help that will be nice.

what needs to be changed is electric needs to be taken out of tentacool's weakness column and put in the regular effect column. if someone can tell me how to do that then that will be nice thanks again.
([[User:Roadmaster84|Roadmaster84]] 23:29, 21 December 2011 (UTC))
:Tentacool is a {{t|Water}}/{{t|Poison}} Pokémon. Water is weak to Electric and Poison is neutral to Electric. Therefore Tentacool is weak to Electric moves and the existing chart is correct. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:38, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

== Page Like "Incomplete" for "Bad Picture"? ==

Is there a section for Bad Picture just like there is for [[:Category:Articles needing more information|Incomplete]]? I can't find it anywhere! --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 00:19, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:[[:Category:Articles needing better pictures|You mean like this?]] [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:23, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
::Cool! Where did you find that link? If it is really hidden and out of the way, I think it should be in the box with the Machop. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 00:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I don't know what machop you're talking about, but it's in the categories on any page that has that template. In particular, I found it [[Brawly|here]]. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
::::The Machop on the Editor's Hub page! There are three links to get you started improving articles. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 01:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Oh, haha, I see. I rarely look at the Editor Hub. Alright, I added it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:11, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

== Recycle restoring Air Balloon ==

The page [[Recycle]] doesn't mention anything about being able/unable to restore a popped Air Balloon. Shouldn't that be changed? [[User:PC-Reviver|PC-Reviver]] 15:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:No, because a popped Air Balloon is an item that's been consumed, and thus falls under the category of consumed items. - ''signed comment from [[User:BisumitoIsSnazzy|q~Bisumito is Snazzy~p]] ([[User talk:BisumitoIsSnazzy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BisumitoIsSnazzy|contribs]])'' 20:31, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

== how do i get permission to make pages ==

hi im new and wondering how to make pages [[User:Xspeedx|Xspeedx]] 18:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
:You need to make a (top secret) number of edits to the mainspace (i.e. articles) and have had your account for a short (also top secret) length of time. This is done so that you get a chance +to learn our rules and styles before trying to build a page on your own. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== I need advice ==

Hi, I saw the Anville town Article and saw the section at the top said you can get to anvillle town using the Anville town line in the battle subway. I was thinking that changing it to the Brown line because it's colour is brown? I'm not sure if i should but please tell me if i'm right! [[User:SkyAltaria1|SkyAltaria1]] 14:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be more precise to change it the brown line instead of just saying "Anville line". I don't think there's any harm in changing it. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 15:38, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Ok Thanks :) [[User:SkyAltaria1|SkyAltaria1]] 06:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I need advice too. I know of a glitch that is fairly well-known, yet this wiki doesn't have a page for it. I notice that most glitches have their own pages as well as appearing on the List of Glitches section of the Glitch page. However, I don't have permission to make pages yet. Should I just add this glitch to the List of Glitches and hope someone else makes a page for it, or should I request that a page for it be made, or what? [[User:HappyGasGames|HappyGasGames]] ([[User talk:HappyGasGames|talk]]) 17:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
:If you have a question on a topic that's glitch related, you should talk to {{u|SnorlaxMonster}}. He's the leader of Project:Glichdex and would probably have the answers you're looking for. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 17:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

== Romanization ==
I'm not entirely fond of how Bulbapedia handles their Japanese names for things, primarily how we use the trademarked name and completely ignore the rōmaji. Yes, I think it's important to have the trademarked Japanese names, but I think it's also equally important to have the bare rōmaji, too. I think it would be effective to use the <nowiki>{{tt}}</nowiki> template around the Japanese text itself to show the rōmaji alongside the trademarked name. For example, it would look like this: {{tt|ラルトス|Rarutosu}} ''Ralts'' or {{tt|カメックス|Kamekkusu}} ''Kamex''. Would anyone object to me going around and doing this? [[User:Mitsuru|Mitsuru]] 23:13, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:[[List of Japanese Pokémon names]]. This does that. I personally do not like the idea for esthetic reasons. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:19, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
::Alright, but it applies to more than just Pokémon themselves. Many pages unrelated to Pokémon suffer the same ([[Snag Machine]], [[N]], etc.). And I disagree; I don't think it's too much of an eyesore, and it's hardly invasive. [[User:Mitsuru|Mitsuru]] 03:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

== BW2 Soundtrack ==
Do we need a page for the BW2 soundtrack "Pokémon Black 2 & White 2 Super Music Complete"? I have the CD here and I figured I might as well contribute. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 20:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Nobody? No. Okay, you can remove it if you don't like it. It was fun to do anyway. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

== Bulbawiki Festive Frontier? ==

"As outlined on Bulbagarden forums, Bulbapedia is done hosting its second annual Christmas Improvement Drive. The Festive Frontier challenge is now over."

Wasn't the Festive Frontier challenge from last year or was it a few months ago? (Just curious since it is currently up on the page.) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

== Update? ==

Staff of PokéPark 2 is already made. Don't you think we should take it off the Needed articles section? [[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 00:17, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

== Edits ==

How many Edits do I need to do/have to add New Articles?
[[User:Lskitto|Lskitto]] ([[User talk:Lskitto|talk]]) 04:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:It's an secret amount of edits and a secret amount of time that is only known to staff. Keep editing, and you'll eventually be able to start articles. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 04:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

== Screenshots ==
How do you get a screenshot of an entire city/route/area in the video games?
[[User:152105|152105]] ([[User talk:152105|talk]]) 20:14, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

== Linking Pages ==

When I put in a link to another page it always comes out as Template:whatever-the-article-name-is and I have no idea why.[[User:Uglycats101|Uglycats101]] ([[User talk:Uglycats101|talk]]) 13:26, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
:<nowiki>It would be because you are using {{ and }} to link instead of [[ and ]] one links to templates the other links to pages.</nowiki> --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 13:41, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
oh thanks so much, it works!!! but how do I get those brackets you used they're not on my keyboard or in the character palette at the bottom of the screen I'm currently using copy and paste to get them in. [[User:Uglycats101|Uglycats101]] ([[User talk:Uglycats101|talk]]) 13:30, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
:What keyboard layout do you have? It would be incredibly unusual for any keyboard to not have those brackets. On a standard QWERTY keyboard, they're immediately to the right of the P key, such that typing this whole row yields <code>QWERTYUIOP[]\</code>. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
oh my gosh, im so dumb, thanks so much for that [[User:Uglycats101|Uglycats101]] ([[User talk:Uglycats101|talk]]) 15:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

== Kato and Kiko ==

I need help adding a trivia sentence for Kato and Kiko. I don't want to try and add a new trivia sentence and end up messing up the whole thing for their trivia. Either someone help me or ill just tell you what I want to post so you can do it yourselves:

For Kato's trivia: Kato's hairstyle resembles the horn of his pokemon, Heracross.

For Kiko's trivia: Kiko's hairstyle resembles the wings of her pokemon, Beautifly.

If you can tell me how to post it that would be excellent or if you want to post it yourself that would be just as excellent. If you end up doing it yourself don't add both on one just kato's on Kato's page and Kiko's on Kiko@'s page. I don't mind either way as long as it manages to get posted and i have some credit for it. Thanks. ([[User:RioluMaster1123|RioluMaster1123]] ([[User talk:RioluMaster1123|talk]]) 01:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC))

==Message of the Day==

There are no more featured MotDs. That part of this page should be replaced. [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] [[User talk:Spyspotter|says…]] Edit the mainspace, [[Special:ListUsers|kids!]] 03:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:I don't see any "Message of the Day" on this page. Unless you mean the Message from the Editor, which should stay and will be updated when there is new information to put there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
::I mean the featured content. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Spyspotter}} ([[User talk:Spyspotter|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spyspotter|contribs]]) '' 01:00, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

== Protection of Pokemon X/Y related articles ==

I've been noticing that the admins on this site have been protecting almost all Pokemon X/Y related articles and not allowing normal users due to "Speculation Crackdown" till after October 12. It's kind of harsh because not all normal users registered users on this site are speculators. Some really want to help this site gather information from official sources as the game's release draws closer. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 09:41, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:While not all registered users will add speculation, it only takes a handful of users to wreak massive havoc across a wide spread of pages. A lot of XY articles were locked as a reaction to speculation, not as a proactive measure. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:Speculation would not be good for bulbapedia's reputation, and I'm sure no-one wants that! Like [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] said, it only takes a handful of people to wreak havoc with speculations and rumours. --[[User:KyuremDialga101|KyuremDialga101]] ([[User talk:KyuremDialga101|talk]]) 01:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

== Article on Ash's Charizard does not need editing ==

I noticed that the article [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ash's_Charizard|Ash's Charizard] was in need of an English voice actor. However, after some heavy research, I found out that the voice actor is the same as the Japanese one. What do I do now? Please help, I just joined!
--[[User:KyuremDialga101|KyuremDialga101]] ([[User talk:KyuremDialga101|talk]]) 01:08, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:It could refer to Charmander and Charmeleon. They showed up in flashbacks during BW and, while I didn't watch the episode myself, it could be they spoke during the flashbacks, and had different voice actors. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
::Hi. The voice actor data for Charmander and Charmeleon was present, so it was not referring to them. Currently, the page is showing that for Charizard, the Japanese voice actor did both the Japanese AND the English roles. However, Bulbapedia has named the data as incomplete. Is there anyone I could take my concerns to? Thanks. --[[User:KyuremDialga101|KyuremDialga101]] ([[User talk:KyuremDialga101|talk]]) 01:13, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:::Charmander and Charmeleon's voice actors on the article are the 4kids actors. During the Advanced Generation the dub was passed on to DuArt. For example, look at [[Ash's Bulbasaur]]. See how it says Tara Jayne for EP010-AG133 then Michele Knotz as current? That's because of the voice actor swap. Since Charmander and Charmeleon appeared in the Best Wishes series, they would have been given new voice actors. Those are the ones that are missing. If you want, you can leave a message on {{u|Kenji-girl}}'s talk page. She's been busy lately so it might take her a while to respond. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:26, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

== Regarding Volcanion, Hoopa and Diancie ==

Should we create pages for them yet? We know they are real, and this sort of thing has been done with other event pokemon like Arceus and Genesect. I have pictures which have been confirmed real that we could put in the articles too.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 01:50, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:We do not know they are real. All we know is that other fansites have circulated rumors about them. We do not take info from other fansites. We are an encyclopedia, not a rumor mill. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::I think we know that they're names of potential Pokémon, due to GTS stuff, but that doesn't seem like enough for a page. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:36, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::You can find them in game, GBA Temps has a wild modifier code for them. And the fact that there is already in-game proof (the GTS tests) kind of confirms it's all real. Remember that stuff had been added about previous event 'mons without knowing much about them too.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:03, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::For those of us who don't know, can you explain what GBA Temps is? And how wild modifier codes work? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::GBA Temps is a website that I imagine distributes cheat codes. Wild modifiers work by simply changeing the pokemon that normally appear in an area to the one specified in the cheat code, as it temporarily alters the game's code. Say, if you put an identifier of 001 in there you would find bulbasaur for example. EDIT: Wait, wrong place, it ws a different guy who made the modifier, GBA Temps made a .pkx editor that could also be used to get the pokemon in game, if anyone wants to test and see, I have a link [http://gbatemp.net/threads/pkx-editor-by-codemonkey85.356901]/--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:40, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Serebii has just confirmed the existence of Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion, Mega [[Latios]] and Mega [[Latias]] as possible event Pokémon with pictures associated. --[[User:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|Wolfy Harfleur 76700]] ([[User talk:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|talk]]) 10:35, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Joe literally wrote in his news story on serebii "Do note, these are still unconfirmed." ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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It seems people have forgotten that this site is, above all else, an ''encyclopedia''. I've seen some wikis have speculative articles and then have some tag at the top of the page saying "This is unconfirmed, yada yada yada." That's extremely unprofessional, and it makes way for a truck load of spam articles under the guise of being "unconfirmed". A good wiki, Bulbapedia included, uses the agenda of official confirmation being ''absolutely crucial''. As much as it may seem, at the current moment, that these three Pokémon and the Mega-Eons are as real as real can get, leaked information is the exact opposite of confirmed information. Even Serebii's no fool. He's not going around asserting that everything he finds is fact. As Nate even said, the words "Do note, these are still unconfirmed" are used on his site. Besides, it's god-honestly better to ''not'' have the information until it's confirmed than to have guesswork that turns out to be wrong. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 15:29, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:correct me if I am wrong but didn't bulbapedia treat meloetta, keldeo and genesect as real pokemon before they were officialy confirmed? It doesn't seem any different here. [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 15:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::The problem is that we could still access the game data to be able to confirm it. We cannot access the game data this time around, which is why we still do not have a lot of images of the Generation VI stuff. Unless we can find data on the PGL to confirm this, we have to treat it like false info until we have proof it is true. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 17:15, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::In which you can use the hacks to get the pokemon to put into the PGL to prove they're real.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:28, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::You cannot put Pokémon into the PGL, that was only Dream World, which only works for Generation V games. Not to mention that the Pokémon shown could be dummied out Pokémon left on the cart. We will need to wait for proof, whether it is from files on the PGL or some info from Nintendo. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::How would one get this info from the PGL? Like people got all the DW art and stuff didn't they? And also I'm quite sure they wouldn't leave dummy 'mons in the game, they would have been replaced with Bad Eggs.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:48, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Files. Every website that uses pictures needs to reference the picture in the website. Thus, most pictures are hosted in the same server as the website itself. Basically, if the images are added to the server, we just need to peek into the server's files and see what is there, which is how we got the other files. As for the other part, why are there two Vivillon patterns in the game that no one has obtained? We don't know what GF has done or will do with them. They could be available or they could be dummied out, though they still seem to exist for the moment as dummied out data. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Hmmm, perhaps they don't plan on adding the picture files until they're officially revealed. After all, I don't think they added the picture files into the PGL for Keldeo, Meloetta and Genesect until they were revealed, did they?--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:49, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
{{indent}} Back on the "dummied out content" thing, yes, there's plenty of dummied out content left in the game's code among all of the older games. Bulbapedia has pages specifically on said content. I can't say I'd be too surprised to find out that some species ended up in this genre. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 02:31, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:On the topic of PGL files, there are two placeholder Vivillon patterns (which are the same as the default pattern), indicating that there are likely to be 2 more Vivillon patterns (matching the leak). The Mythical Pokémon do not appear on the PGL currently. Mega Evolutions all have placeholder artworks (it's just a copy of the Pokémon's standard artwork), and currently there is no placeholder for Mega Latios or Latias. Chances are things that aren't currently there will be added at a later time. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
While the chance is there that they could be fake ([http://pokejungle.net/2013/10/31/rumour-legends-leaked-by-hacking/ this page even says so]), the fact that this person was able to cause the three legendaries to appear in one of the early Routes pretty much confirms they are real. If those are Photoshopped images, they're pretty good. Additionally, seeing them on the GTS and not filtered out as gibberish also confirms that they are real. The person writing the linked blog, as well, noted that he tried to encounter Pokémon #722 (meaning these came from 719-721) and the result was a Bad Egg, meaning there is nothing programmed after 721 and that is the end of the current Pokédex.

We ought to acknowledge this information. People have tested and confirmed that the data is there. Serebii even briefly had pages for the trio (since taken down, someone put up a screenshot of the three screengrabs as an image). Nintendo just hasn't released the info because they want to leave something for future announcements and events. Since they're already in the game, other than patching to get rid of them, Nintendo can't do much now to change it (and then what will they use for later games, and who says we have to use the patch? I mean, they can't get rid of this data in the games now!). Therefore, they exist, they just haven't been announced. Pages ought to be created even if they are tagged as unconfirmed Pokémon. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:32, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:If you had been paying attention, no one is immediately saying they're faked or photoshopped. But what we ''are'' saying is they may very well be dummied out content. And again, as far as a wiki is concerned, if information is not 100% confirmed, it might as well be 100% fake. Bulbapedia has a reputation to keep, and if things that end up being utter bull get articles only for us to find out the truth later, how will that make the site look? And even if they are really there, they ''can'' indeed be patched out. That's what patches do. If someone who got, say, one of these "Volcanions" ends up losing data and having their save corrupted because it was patched out, well then that's their own fault. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 19:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, I'm paying attention. Here's the thing: if they are dummied out, that makes them notable just for that and they deserve to be recognized as deleted Pokémon. Except perhaps for MissingNo, this would be the first case of this, no? That's notable, and what would be their page as real Pokémon can then be redirected to an article on the deleted trio. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:04, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Just thought I'd also mention that if they were dummied out, it is highly unlikely they'd leave all the following data in and have it make sense- Pokedex Entries, Typing, Movesets, Graphical Data, Base Stats. Just a thought--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 01:56, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Exactly. There are way too many dots to connect here that there's no way this is fake. I'm 99% certain at this point that all three of them are the Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect of this generation and we will have all three released by the time of either Hoenn remakes or Z (whichever is first). I'd gamble on it if I could. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:18, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::(edit conflict) We don't know any of that (except the graphical data) even exists. All we have are a single screenshot of each of them. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:19, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::What do you want him to do, take a video of him encountering and catching them, then showing off the Dex entries? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:45, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
There's another test we could use to see if this is genuine, the guy who found them also managed to get screenshots of pixie plate arceus and Mew in the game, if the sprites match when Transporter is out we'll know that he truly hacked the game. pics on this twitter: https://twitter.com/PokmonGlobalNew [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 11:34, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::Replying to 0danmaster0 here, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Genesect_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1188433 linked here] is the original draft of [[Genesect (Pokémon)]] from September 18, 2010. It got several more edits that day and the following days. Do we have information on exactly when Nintendo announced Genesect? I know it wasn't released until B2/W2 were released; that very day, in fact. That's two years. I doubt they announced it two years in advance.

::My point? We were posting an article about Genesect two years ahead of time. What would be different about an article on Hoopa since it has been found in the game? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:10, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes, but we had proof Genesect existed because we could hack the DS and get the data out. We still don't know these three aren't a hoax, because we still don't fully know how to hack the 3DS. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:19, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Evidently this guy does know how to hack the 3DS. That's the same thing. I could have said Genesect was a hoax back then myself because I am not a hacker. Same argument. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:38, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::The difference is that when lots of people could do it, it was clearer that Keldeo, Meloetta and Genesect were real because so many independent sources were backing each other up. Currently, (as far as I know,) there's only this one guy "proving" these three, so we have no idea whether he's a good hacker or just a good counterfeiter. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:44, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Pumpkinking has hit the nail on the head. The bottom line is if we can't replicate the results to verify, a random on the internet is nothing more than a dubious source. We can't repeat or verify those results. Therefore, they get no article. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:21, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I still point out the fact that the names appear on the GTS. That validates them as real Pokémon. I will admit that the images could still be shopped (some are pretty good even of those), but the Pokémon names are real. If Nintendo patches them out after this independent crusade (for lack of a better word), then the article could be about what the names of the Pokémon would have been and were changed due to a hacker. A hacker causing Nintendo to change plans is notable. So one way or another, whether now or after news comes of a new patch that removes the names (impossible on the GTS though unless they close it briefly and remove all requests), an article will exist somewhere on either the Pokémon or the schematics surrounding them being changed (even when the trio does eventually come out with similar types and the would-be names are matched up). I still see no problem with very brief and locked pieces on the three and what has been discovered, with a byline at the top saying the information is unconfirmed. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Just thought I'd mention that we have Diancie's dex entry too. Kotaku said it, not sure if it's a reliable source though.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:52, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::''The bottom line is if we can't replicate the results to verify, a random on the internet is nothing more than a dubious source.''
:::::::::That's funny. Someone earlier said that the reason the article doesn't exist is because Nintendo hasn't announced it. However, Nintendo hadn't announced Keldeo, Meloetta, or Genesect and those articles came up with "multiple independent sources".
:::::::::We now have "multiple independent sources" confirming these three new Pokémon showing up as valid in the GTS by people requesting other than themselves, which is backed up by hacked data confirming their existance and with images (though again, I prefer video). Sersbii had pages up brifly, since taken down. This is exactly the scenario we had with the Unova group, just not as many sources. Yet now the rules are different because it's more convenient to wait for Nintendo to announce it before putting pages up.
:::::::::We need to stop changing the rules in convenient ways for a situation and just report what people have found out already. Wikipedia uses references as a method of sourcing ANY information. We have several sources, even if one main one is a blog and others are forums. That's enough for me for a video game (we're not sourcing nuclear fission or anything like that). If it turns out not to be real, we correct it. That's what a Wiki does. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::You're wrong with the part about "exactly the same scenario". As already said above, the key difference is being able to replicate the results; that is, unlike with DS games, the encryption for 3DS games is still yet to be broken so data mining is outright impossible. You can't make a ROM dump out of your X or Y game card, break in, and check the Pokémon specification data structures yourself. Instead, for anything other than the names, you need to rely on and believe the authenticity of the few still images by one community member. For the same reasons, we're still missing various things like complete movesets for many Pokémon, all up-to-date data for yet unavailable Gen I to Gen V Pokémon, and so on.
::::::::::Don't get me wrong, I personally don't have any objections for adding the trio into the wiki, but it seems that for now the only thing that can be proven with certainty is that the three names exist and are recognized by GTS as valid ones. That doesn't really yield good, comprehensive pages at this moment, so I understand why they're quite unwanted for now. '''Soulweaver''' (U.S.) ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 04:15, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::Perhaps someone should ask smea to supply the necessary information by his twitter account, after all HE is the one with this information. We know the pokemon exist, we don't officially know their appearance until we get solid proof, and everything else falls under the former category. If he could give us a video showing us exactly what he is doing, showing us the dex entries and types ''at least'', we might actually get somewhere. Same could go for the other discoveries too.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I have a feeling that they won't since they have apologized for spoiling the Pokémon already. Little hope on that route. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::: As for the other side of the problem, I am confused now with the issue. We know the Pokémon exist. We have proof that they exist. We can replicate the data, though not in the conventional way. We can even data mine the games to confirm it through a modified 3DS that bypasses the encryption issue, which is currently being done to determine how the game stores the data structure for individual Pokémon. The problem we have is over if the three Pokémon are actual Legendary Pokémon that exist in the game or if these are just dummied out Legendary Pokémon that Nintendo and Game Freak thought would be alright to leave on the cart without removing their existence. We cannot confirm that they are event Pokémon, so we cannot add them as articles at the moment. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I will concede that individual articles would not have a lot of information right now (heck, [[Xerneas (Pokémon)]] and [[Yveltal (Pokémon)]] were once like that even when they were announced). However, even if staunch "it's not official" people around here don't want to allow articles, we do need at least one: an article talking about the three and how they were discovered. I point out once again that the three are not being confirmed, the data is simply being reported on.
:::::::::::::and he apologized for "spoiling the Pokémon"? Some of us want to know everything, spoiler or not. I really want to see a video of these. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:(Resetting indent) What I don't get is why some people seem to be convinced they are dummied out when they are under the same circumstances as last gen's event pokemon. If they were dunnied out, they would leave all that important info in there. {{unsigned|BigBadBatter}}
::Because the data for the two other Vivillion is present in the games, but cannot be access without a modified 3DS. This is similar to past data, like ???-type Arceus. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Good point, but remember that was only in there to stop crashes, it was never meant to exist within the "actual" game--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:39, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::::My guess? Those two Vivillon will be in the next games and can be traded into these ones. How? I don't have a guess on that yet, but maybe they are east and west like the Shellos. In that case, west (North America and possibly Europe) would get one, and east (yeah, beyond Europe, Africa included perhaps) would get the other. That would be consistent with the patterns based on your 3DS region bit. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
{{indent}} I think it's about time this topic be left alone and not touched again. ''Multiple'' staff members already said these three aren't getting articles until there is enough evidence to prove that they are absolutely and indisputably real, so let's leave it at that, shall we? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 16:42, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
:I think the debate is not that they aren't real. It's about whether they should have articles without Nintendo confirmation. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:05, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::Regardless, at least three staff members have all said they are not and have given a multitude of reasons. I don't even see why people are still arguing. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 17:12, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Yeah, let's leave it for now. Apparently the offical facebook page made a random post about carbink, so we may see some interesting stuff...--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:00, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::::The official japanese guide confirmed that there are 721 Pokémon[http://i.imgur.com/2QH3kPl.png] [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 12:36, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Now this is interesting. More confirmation much?--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 22:47, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Here's the thing. We ''do not'' report on or make articles for information that we cannot confirm ourselves. The person who discovered these did so through a method we cannot replicate. There may be three hidden legendaries, but we cannot confirm that these three are them. The difference between these and previous event legends is the fact we could view the game's code and confirm it ''ourselves''. So, to put it bluntly, until these are confirmed by Nintendo or a widespread method to view the game's code is available, these Pokemon will get ''no article''. No amount of arguing is going to change that. This discussion is serving no purpose whatsoever and should be done. If you want to discuss these rumored legendaries, you should take it the forums. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 22:56, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
they are real. no doubt. they are unannounced, there fore un obtainable, there fore unmarked. they WILL be made, and this guy did officialy find volcanion. there was also a leaked article on pokemon.com, quickly removed, for diancle. just make the pages, and delete them if need be. I will be watching for them in the new year, when I expect them to be announced, after torchic. and also, regarding pixie arcius and mew in x/y, they were added in the 1.1 patch which also allowed all pokemon to be added to the dex via pokebank. so In adding the pokebank, 1.1 had more than it seemed. prove me wrong, but I want evidence I am wrong. I know Nintendo, and this is legit. make the pages. I will cover the story. EDIT- while poking on serebii to take notes, I saw that they have a classification. I don't know if I can put them here, but am doing so any ways. :diancie the jewel pokemon, volcanion the steam pokemon, and hoopa the mischief pokemon. have I blown your mind??? proves their real! {{unsigned|Dra9onslayer}}

What height and weight could it be for the three event Pokémon, what body style do they have and what colour category do they have? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 07:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
:Look, let's just leave it for now, as we don't have the tools to hack the game and find out for ourselves. Therefore, we cannot make the pages.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:50, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

I know staff members said don't put them up, and I'm not arguing that (that's a good policy, even if we can get into the game). I'm just wondering why people say it isn't the same as before. Because of course Darkrai could have been dummied out back in Gen IV, but now we know it wasn't. Just curious, is all, as that seems to be the big argument (Once again, I agree with the policy of not putting up the page until Gamefreak confirms, because of the risk of it being dummied out. Makes sense) --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 00:23, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
:The difference is that even if Darkrai, etc had been dummied out, we could hack the game so we still knew all of its data. We can't hack the 3DS, so none of the leaks about these three (except for their names on the GTS) are verifiable. We don't know whether the images floating around are legit or a clever Photoshop; we don't know whether the type combinations are true; we don't even know what order their National Dex numbers are in{{tt|*|and sources conflict on this last point — a pretty good sign that at least some of the other information is unreliable as well}}. There's literally nothing we can say in good conscience except "these are their names," whereas in the past, we could hack the game and reliably report every single piece of data for event-exclusives on the DS and prior systems. (That's my standpoint. I think this is a much more persuasive reason not to acknowledge them yet than the "what if they end up being dummied out" argument.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:40, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
::Mostly quoting myself from above, "We know the Pokémon exist. We have proof that they exist. We can replicate the data, though not in the conventional way. We can even data mine the games to confirm it through a modified 3DS that bypasses the encryption issue, which is currently being done to determine how the game stores the data structure for individual Pokémon. The problem we have is over if the three Pokémon are actual Legendary Pokémon that exist in the game or if these are just dummied out Legendary Pokémon that Nintendo and Game Freak thought would be alright to leave on the cart without removing their existence. We cannot confirm that they are event Pokémon, so we cannot add them as articles at the moment." Remember that there is still data on the game for two more Vivillion forms that the Global Links files confirm. The problem is that this data, while present in the games, cannot be access without a modified 3DS. In Generation IV, we had data for the ???-type Arceus, which was never released for good reasons. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 05:10, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I figure now is a good time to resurrect this discussion now that [http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/60943/t1957245-hoopa-volcanion-diancies-leaked-stats-abilities-types/ more evidence] has appeared from what appears to be a separate source, corroborating with leaks we've [http://www.pokedit.com/New+Legendaries+Diancie+Volcanion+Hoopa_8016.html already] [http://pokebeach.com/2013/12/information-on-diancie-hoopa-and-volcanion seen]. Dummied out or not, it appears what we've seen before was indeed correct. I also don't know if this was mentioned, but the PokEdit link also seems to have official Sugimori art, the two missing Vivillon patterns, and a model of AZ's Floette. This is getting harder and harder to call fake, if you ask me. [[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 18:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:The artwork is fake, in case you were wondering: [http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Diancie-410875572 Diancie], [http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Volcanion-410762745 Volcanion], and [http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Hoopa-410943259 Hoopa]. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 18:38, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Editor%27s_Hub&diff=prev&oldid=2047544 Again, this is my response on the issue.] I still say that we should take the time to wait and see what GF will do. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:16, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Diancie was unveiled on CoroCoro, but I bet you Bulbapedians are going to say that even if it's not a fake, we can't say the same for the other two (and Mega Lati@s). Am I right? [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 21:18, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
:Fake is not the issue, but yes, that's exactly right. Diancie does not confirm anything else from leaks. We wait for official sources regardless of whether the leaks appear to be true. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
::I suppose that we should probably make a start on the page, shall we? --[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:40, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
:::{{u|Force Fire}} already [[User:Force Fire/Diancie (Pokémon)|has]]. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:52, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Ah yes. I was wondering because the link in the Bulbanews article had no text on it.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 22:48, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
::With all due respect, I think that's completely unreasonable. If fake isn't the issue, then I fail to see what could be. Even if the other two ''were'' [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DummiedOut dummied out], there's no reasonable doubt left that these guys aren't still on the game card and with all the glitch Pokémon we document that have never been officially acknowledged, shouldn't we at least put in a word about how the other two exist but aren't officially revealed yet? Look, think of this from a practical standpoint: the circumstances have changed. Diancie's been officially announced and yet most of the data out there when you Google it (as people are bound to do now) are gonna come up with Hoopa and Volcanion along with it. And when they to go look it up on Bulbapedia, they'll find info on one of the three while the other two are still not even acknowledged to exist. What, are we just gonna play dumb and not confirm or deny anything still? I know to assume good faith and all that jazz, but I think Bulbapedia's official stance on this at the moment reeks of stubbornness for no good reason. At the very least, acknowledge the controversy around the matter with an administrative announcement or something instead of keeping everything in talk pages. At least make our stance on these three visible, rather than not even telling people ''why'' the other two aren't listed unless they go looking in the right places. [[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 17:24, 14 February 2014 (UTC) (Note for transparency's sake: I'm an [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Inclusionism inclusionist].)
:::Unfortunately, policy is policy, and unless we have more people hacking the 3DS, we won't get pages 'til the official reveal. If you'd like to hack the 3DS to prove a point, I believe Smea did it by running homebrew and pokemon Y at the same time, allowing him to see the game's code, developed wild modifier cheat codes, making the event 'mons appear.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHBc6RtW9y0#t=24]

someone recorded the mega lati duo in action. i think they are at least worth a mention now. hoopa and volcanion's articles can wait until similar footage appears. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 16:12, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

::mega lati twins are out in the wild, although in an "Arceus/Genesect" manner rather than "nintendooo confirmdd" way. seeing as its arceus all over again, we should definetly mention the megas on their respective pages, there is nothing denying their exstince now. [[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 21:03, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Datel has released a cheating device that can be used with X and Y. I think it's pretty safe to say that once some Bulbapedians get it and use it to get the Mega Lati twins and the event pokemon, these guys will be getting pages once we get the appropriate info. --[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
::::why do we need a bulbapedian to confirm? undisputable ecidence of at least the mega latis is sitting right in front of us. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 21:54, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::Read the rest of the discussion.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 01:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

::::::i did its just people screaming at each othrr. we have undisputable proof of at least the lati duo's megas existing and the two legends in limbo are probably are just an ar code away, so why are we still saying "durr 50/50 chance of being real" and not adding this? we did it with arceus and genesect, so why ar the mega latis different?--[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 04:54, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

(resetting indent)OK, so now that we got the addition of Mega Latios and Mega Latias on the Megas page (the other relevant pages are locked unfortunately) , I'm pretty sure that this should be settled once and for all. We have indisputable evidence that Volcanion and Hoopa exist (thank you Datel), can we please make pages for them now? --[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 22:29, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
::i'm working on a draft of Hoopa's page right now. do we know whether or not the leak regarding the event trio's signature moves is true? --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 23:06, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
:::I imagine it is, but there is only one source at the moment.----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 01:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
::::If you can't confirm something yourself, assume it's false until you can confirm it. That way there's no chance we're left with egg on our face. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::That's what I thought. We'll just have to wait 'til someone reliable gets the event 'mons then.----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 03:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::Okay, someone with a powersave has confirmed with a video that Diancie's signature move is Diamond Storm, it's a physical rock-type move, with 95 acc, 100 power and chance to boost defense, here are two videos [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8lu7R-7Tg][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLWExiyWuQQ]----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 21:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Seeing as how Diancie has been officially revealed, as have the Poké Ball and Fancy Pattern Vivillon, can we know include Hoopa and Volcanion on Bulbapedia? Fairy-type Arceus was also confirmed true and Mega Lati@s has been added to the Mega Evolutions page. I can assume AZ's Floette will be released later as well, since there's also an event for that, but this is just about Volcanion and Hoopa. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 23:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
:The key word being "officially revealed", which Hoopa and Volcanion haven't been. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:46, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
::Neither have Mega Lati@s, which are featured quite prominently in the Mega Evolution page... --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 05:00, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Mega Lati@s was added because a staff member was able to confirm the existence of the Lati@site via a device. Because they were able to confirm the Lati@site, Mega Lati@s are on the Mega Evolution page. While I don't really like that they are on the page, a staff member confirming the existence of the mega stone is satisfactory for me.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:49, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::Well for me, satisfactory is YouTuber upon YouTuber showing video footage of them activating the Hoopa, Diancie, Volcanion and AZ's Floette events, which is exactly what's happened since around the time Diancie has been officially announced. I mean, it can't be that hard to find someone with a PowerSave and get them to activate the events in the presence of a Staff Member. This isn't 1996. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 01:28, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::I think this Hoopa and Volcanion situation is of the utmost importance. There has been multiple sources confirming without a show of a doubt the existence of both of them. I dont remember Arceus, Genosect, Meloetta, etc not being added before it was officially revealed by Nintendo. Saying that there's no way to check doesnt apply on this date. There's already documented tools to activate the event. For anyone that wants to check for themselves the tool you need is Datel Power Saves, which is available on Amazon and other online stores. [[User:Epsilonsama|Epsilonsama]] ([[User talk:Epsilonsama|talk]]) 19:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Whilst I completely understand that Volcanion and Hoopa remain unofficial, and whilst I agree that we should not pass them of as we would any other Pokémon due to the insufficient amount of data that has been able to be retrieved from the X and Y games, would it not be reasonable to have maybe a single article on both, and possibly the now-confirmed Diancie as well, stating that their names are recognised by the GTS, and that they have therefore been coded into the games in one way or another. Obviously we cannot pass off much other information about them, as there is very little of it that can truly be confirmed as official, however, a single short mention that the names of the Pokémon are coded into the games should suffice for the article. The names exist in the GTS without a doubt, in fact, that was how I first found out about them very early in the game when I went on to the GTS and saw someone requesting a Hoopa. The way I look at it, whether or not they are patched out of the game, never used/talked about again, swept under the carpet by Nintendo, or released as official Pokémon, we will eventually end up with an article about them, will we not? We currently have articles for unused prototype Pokémon such as Honōguma, Buhi, and Kurusu, and on backsprites for the early Shellos and Gastrodon from the coding of Ruby and Sapphire. Hoopa and Volcanion will essentially end up with their own pages, on a new page for patched out Pokémon, or on the page for prototype Pokémon. So, as little confirmed information on them as there is, surely it's noteworthy enough to at least acknwoledge them as sort-of-maybe-Pokémon-to-be that we know officially a little bit about, after all the GTS does recognise them as something, and if the GTS acknowledges them, then why shouldn't we? I understand that we know little about them, and the last thing I want to do is fuel a massive debate, but I think they at least deserve a little mention, no matter how ambiguous, somewhere rather than "What Pokémon? Huh? Who? Where? There's no Pokémon here!".--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 01:55, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:[[Diancie|Diancie has an article already.]] As for the second issue, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Editor%27s_Hub&diff=prev&oldid=2001611 you can see it has been talked about for a long, long time.] So, since this still has not been settled for everyone, I will try to sum up what we have and do not have, among other things. This debate has centered around the following Pokémon: Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion, Mega Latios, Mega Latias, two Vivillon forms, one Floette form, and one Plate Arceus. Here is how things have been sorted: Diancie has an article, Mega Latios and Mega Latias have the information on several articles, Vivillon forms have been distributed, Floette is AZ's, Arceus can be transfered to Gen VI, and nothing for Hoopa and Volcanion. So, why not create the articles? Because they have not been [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ghost_(type)&diff=prev&oldid=2141974 officially released yet]. Granted, I am paraphrasing [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] and potentially taking their words out of context. On the opposite side of this [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AEon_duo&diff=2078959&oldid=2078846 is how the Mega Latios/Latias info was given approval.] Again, I am linking to [[User:SnorlaxMonster]] has said in the past and about a different issue that may not apply. I would have recommend asking if Hoopa and Volcanion could be added to the [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation VI)]], which is the [[Index number]] counterpart to the [[List of items by index number (Generation VI)|items]], [[List of moves|moves]], [[List of locations by index number (Generation VI)|location]], and [[Ability#List of Abilities|ability]] articles. However, the article has not currently be created at this point in time, so I do not believe I can recommend that action. Regardless of not being able to help, I hope that this somehow explains why we are not making that many references to them or their moves. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:38, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I will attempt to make the pages but ill be going on vacation soon.

[[User:AQUAAA|AQUAAA]] ([[User talk:AQUAAA|talk]]) 17:07, 17 December 2014 (UTC)AQUAAA

Oh yeah, Steam Eruption And Hyperspace hole are real moves.

[[User:AQUAAA|AQUAAA]] ([[User talk:AQUAAA|talk]]) 17:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)AQUAAA

Do anyone have Kana for their species name? --[[User:ShadowCrush|ShadowCrush]] ([[User talk:ShadowCrush|talk]]) 22:55, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

--[[User:AQUAAA|AQUAAA]] ([[User talk:AQUAAA|talk]]) 16:57, 31 January 2015 (UTC) Bulbagarden has a page on all 3, but not the signature moves.

== Editing of [[Headbutt (move)|Headbutt]] ==

Basically, I just went to add that Bibarel is confirmed to learn the move at Lv.18 (no idea about the pre-evo yet, but I trust it's also the same). It seems that I am unable to save edits to that page. Do we know what is causing this? I just edited [[Acupressure (move)|Acupressure]] without a problem a few minutes ago. Meanwhile, I tried the chat room, but it's more interested in a bot trivia game (now over 1,300 questions in!) and the other official channel is - well - dead. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:40, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:I tried to edit it and it didn't go through. Maybe it's the amount of templates on the page? It's the only thing that really sets apart enough from other moves for it to be the only one to be uneditable. I'll see if someone can figure it out. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 20:21, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if any of them are complete, some could perhaps be converted to generic tables and left in like that (if they get vandalized, they can easily be restored). That might help with that issue. But then, I wondered why the learnset table was so far down. Clearly trying to include Headbutt as it applies to G/S/C. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:41, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Pages with lots of code transcluded to them, such as the code used in the template, exceed the maximum amount of code able to be used on a MediaWiki page. This limit is unable to be changed. The Headbutt page seems to be just before that limit. The page can be saved, it just takes a huge amount of time and a few attempts. But, any longer, and parts of the page will seemingly go missing, starting from the bottom up. We had a similarly large page on Wikisimpsons. We ended up needing to split the page up into several pages as huge tables of information just vanished. That might have to be done here too. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:48, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::::If you'd like, I can take a look at it between assigning moves. I think provided the main page has the same types of data as the rest of the moves, it should be easy to move other data to a secondary page that doesn't need much editing. Also, if I cut the information off the existing one and save, I should have no problem saving less data.
::::With that said, if you'd rather do it later, understood. But it keeps me and others from adding data to it until it's done, hence why I'd like to look at it. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:53, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

(Indent reset, any replies to the above can continue there, this is a separate segment.)

I have copied from [[Headbutt (move)|Headbutt]] the data that I think can be removed from the page. What I will suggest is taking this off the page and having it linked separately on the page. This will bring the page data down to a more useable level that saving issues will hopefully be reduced. The current location of the copied data is [[User:CycloneGU/Headbutt|in my userspace]]. I'm open to working on the piece there and then moving it to the article space when it's ready for inclusion as a separate page. Or we can move it immediately and work on it already linked from the main page. What do you folks think? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:03, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:I think wait for input from admins before anything major is done to the page. Although the only way I can see the page being editable again is by splitting it up in my expert opinion (expert as I've encountered this issue before :P) ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 21:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::This is why I have already copied the data separately to my userspace. That way an admin. can move it to an appropriate title, the data removed from [[Headbutt (move)|Headbutt]], and the link made between the articles. I agree, this issue was encountered six or seven months ago by someone on that talk page, and we can't deal with this over and over. We might even need to reduce the size of some of the lists at the bottom of the page by indicating all Pokémon in the previous list are also on the following list, and just not list them; however, that is a more drastic change I won't explore at this time. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:10, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::I just had a separate afterthought as well (hence the almost immediate new edit, this is not a preview issue). The list of Pokémon learning the move by TM can be included on the second article. It only applies to the second generation (for now) and we can remove it from the main article, again to save space. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:12, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::(Addendum) I have copied the TM information to my userspace. Again, no edits have been made to the main page yet, and I'd like to help work on a separate article regarding Headbutt and the mechanics as used in Generations II and IV in G/S/C/HG/SS (hence why it's in my userspace right now, but I'm open to it being moved to the main space if admins. approve the idea). The obvious alternative is to not be able to edit the main page or have data go missing; this at least preserves the data. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:21, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::For the record, I think it would be more appropriate to move the lists of Pokemon that can be found via Headbutt. Learnlists should all remain together, but we do have [[Hidden Power calculation|precedent]] for moving lengthy material about how a move works to a separate page rather than keeping it on the same one. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:34, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::For the sake of full disclosure, I also [[User talk:Force Fire#Headbutt|brought this up]] with one of the admins. personally. Because Headbutt was only a TM in Generation II (replacing [[Razor Wind (move)|Razor Wind]] but since becoming [[Dragon Claw (move)|Dragon Claw]] in Gen. III, which has not changed since), and was likely made such for the specific reason of allowing players to buy the TM for repeated use teaching Pokémon the move to attack random trees, I have made the recommendation that the TM move data be placed there for that reason. I've provided additional points at the linked location.
::::The TM section alone is 11,000 bytes of data, and with the page causing problems due to being so large, any space we can get would be useful at this point. If it is deemed after staff discussion that it should stay there, I would recommend putting the data on a page by itself and transcluding the data to the page. This could technically be done on both pages, in fact, since the data specifically applies to that game where the mechanic occurs. That way, the string putting the data on one or both pages is a simple string, and the data is its own page.
::::For examples of how transclusion works, head over to Wikipedia and see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NHL_season 2013-14 NHL season], specifically under Standings. All four charts there are located on other pages and edited on those pages due to the daily updating on each compared to the article itself. This way, people editing the standings and people editing the rest of the article aren't running into constant edit conflicts. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::UPDATE: Again, for full disclosure, see [[User:CycloneGU/Headbutt]] for how I'm proposing to reclaim the space on the page. I don't know if this is ideal for the staff, but the data I am recommending to transclude in this case should never have to be edited again, so the data page can be locked and the importing line in the article commented above and below warning not to modify that line. Of course, the data page would be moved first, hence why it's still a proposal. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:31, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::I've split the wild Pokémon only off into [[Headbutt (move)/Wild Pokémon]], as this needed to be fixed swiftly, since it was preventing editing of the page altogether. If you think the scope of the subpage should be different, please bring that up on its talk page. I'm not even that sure we need these lists (for HGSS, since Pokémon encountered are dependent on area rather than what category of area it is), but they can't stay on the Headbutt page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:02, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::I still can't save edits to a segment of the page. I still propose, since the TM data should never be edited, doing the same thing there by moving the page in my usersdpace and linking that there. Unless it's just a case of the cache needing to be dumped, in which case it may work after that's done. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::It certainly can be edited now, because my edit moving the wild Pokémon lists off the page went through. And if the issue is being unable to save a specific section, it is unlikely to be due to the number of templates; in fact, IIRC you can still edit sections of a page that is too big to save. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:16, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::As for keeping the TM list on the page, it has less to do with editing than it does with reading. A major reason people go to move pages is to see what can learn it (I would assume), and I don't want to split up learnlists across multiple pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:18, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Re TMs: did you see the page I created in my userspace? No, that's not the layout I propose, but I basically copied the TM data as it currently appears to a separate document, which allows the header to still be edited (I grabbed after the header up to the next header, for the next table).
:::::::::Re editing Headbutt, it FINALLY went through. so I'm satisfied with it now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:20, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

== Wild Hold Items ==

I've been a member for about ten minutes and I probably have no chance of anyone seeing this... but how about a page that states the Pokemon that hold certain items in the wild including the item and the hold percentage. Possibly even moves or abilities that change the item's effect or position like unnerve or thief. I'm not sure but I think it'd be helpful. {{unsigned|8BitRevenge}}
:Actually, this is already done. On sections for items, if a wild Pokemon holds it in the wild in a game it is found in, the game section for that item lists it. The same for a Pokemon's page (under the "Held items" section), although it is only on the Pokemon's page that the percentage for that item is listed.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 03:37, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::That list is [[List of Pokémon by wild held item|here]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:41, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

== Dream World Moves ==

This deserves attention. Dream World no longer needs its own section because, well, the Dream World is closing (at least in terms of naptime and usefulness) as of December 14. Additionally, we are updating Pokémon pages for Gen. VI now; since Dream World isn't there, we should not include it as a section.

With that taken into account, do we or do we not have a place to list moves that are learnable in an earlier generation? If so, all Dream World moves should be moved to that location. We can also update those lists to take into account moves learned via Move Tutor in prior generations, or learned via TMs that no longer exist. If a move can be learned by breeding, we don't even need to list the Dream World move; see [[Pawniard (Pokémon)|Pawniard]], whose moves [[Psycho Cut (move)|Psycho Cut]] and [[Sucker Punch (move)|Sucker Punch]] are learnable via breeding. However, in the case of [[Butterfree (Pokémon)|Butterfree]], we have [[Air Cutter (move)|Air Cutter]] and [[Roost (move)|Roost]] unlearnable via breeding since Caterpie cannot learn any moves through breeding itself, and thus those moves belong in that section on Butterfree's page (which I've started updating except for the DW section).

Thoughts? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:They're already on the "Generation V learnset" subpages (here's {{DL|Butterfree (Pokémon)/Generation V learnset|Dream World moves|Butterfree's}}, for example). I think that's fine, isn't it? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

::That's my opinion as well. The question is whether other editors want to preserve them in some way.
::I'm actually going to remove it from Butterfree now pending opinion on this. I'm about to pull Butterfree out to level up. The only thing I can't fully check yet is the TM list, but I can start that. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:48, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Time travel and Time Travel ==

There are two pages with the same name differentiated by a capital letter: [[Time travel]] and [[Time Travel]]. Both have links to the other page (I added the one to Time Travel), but this is still quite confusing to have it like this. Wouldn't it make more sense to have Time Travel renamed Time Travel (e-reader application)? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 23:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I coudn't agree more!--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== I have a question... ==

I've noticed that the facility trainers (in the Battle Frontier, Maison, Contests, etc.) have the same name/team/quotes. Since these trainers are recurring, is it important that we put them on the page for their respective locations? Just wondering. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:33, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
:I don't think they have the same teams (at least for battle facilities; contests might). There is a pool of Pokémon that each Trainer has their Pokémon randomly selected from. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:21, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages format ==

I am pretty strongly of the opinion that most of the disambiguation pages are currently formatted badly. The numeric pages like [[046]] appear to have "good" formats, with the "disambiguated" links at the beginning; but it appears that just about all other disambiguation pages, like [[Aaron]], use a bad format, with the disambiguated links only appearing ''after'' the description.

It's hard to provide a concrete reason why this is "bad". One possible rationale is that, in many cases, an article title alone can be enough to know which article you want, and any description appearing before that link just gets in the way; by contrast, anyone who ''needs'' that description text is not at all inconvenienced if it appears after the link. Another possible rationale is simply that, without the disambiguated article title at the beginning, I simply have nothing concrete to link the description with initially, so it's just a little abstract...

It may be worth noting that Wikipedia's manual of style for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Disambiguation_pages#Individual_entries disambiguation pages] specifies that the (relevant) link should come first.

Mostly, though, I just ''know'' that, for example, the Metronome disambiguation page works better like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Metronome&oldid=2032134 this] than like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Metronome&oldid=2032138 this]. It always irritates me seeing the latter and having to navigate it...

Do others agree that the "disambiguated" links should be written first? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:29, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
:Agreed, and it is an involved project, but would improve Bulbapedia's consistency and navigation. - [[User:Poikins|'''poi''']][[User talk:Poikins|'''kins''']] 21:55, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

== Retrieving Information Question ==

While I was looking around on the site for something to improve, I discovered that Bulbapedia doesn't have a page for Style in Lumiose City. I would like to make this page, and I found another page on Serebii that seems to help. However, I don't want to just copy information. How should I handle this? [http://www.serebii.net/xy/lumiosestyle.shtml Here's the page]
Also, should I just add this information to the page [[Lumiose City]] instead, once I get the information?
[[User:Lnwz|Lnwz]] ([[User talk:Lnwz|talk]]) 00:44, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

== Proof requirement for hatch times? ==

Hello my friends!
Noah speaking, I was planning on doing some research into the hatch times of certain unconfirmed Pokemon. What form of proof would you require? I could film it and add a footnote, or would you prefer multiple tests/people working on the same egg?

[[User:Polishpeo12|Polishpeo12]] ([[User talk:Polishpeo12|talk]]) 18:54, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
:Unless there is some reason to doubt a hatch time you write down, then I don't think you need a source. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 23:16, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

== Skrelp ==
Hello. In Skrelp's page, I realized that in the trivia section, it says that Skrelp was the only Poison type introduced in the 6th generation. I think that's untrue. Wouldn't Mega Venusaur and Mega Gengar count as new Poison-type Pokémon? ([[User:Hoogachakka|Hoogachakka]] ([[User talk:Hoogachakka|talk]]) 02:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC))
:No, they wouldn't. Mega Evolutions are not new species.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:29, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

== Overworld Sprites ==

Hello! I noticed a problem with the top of a Kalos Pokémon page, where it says which Pokémon comes previously and next in the National Dex. It doesn't have the sprites of the Pokémon. I can easily retrieve the pictures, so how do I edit those?
{{unsigned|Hoogachakka}}
:You upload images through the Bulbagarden Archives, though you'll want to contact an administrator because no one has been able to provide the sprites without stealing them or get permission from other sites. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:17, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
:I was going to take a picture of the sprite in the game, then upload it to my computer, then photoshop it to be just the sprite. That way, it's my photo. ([[User:Hoogachakka|Hoogachakka]] ([[User talk:Hoogachakka|talk]]) 02:37, 28 December 2013 (UTC))
::You mean, take a photo with a camera? That's going to produce a very low-quality image. We need pixel-for-pixel faithfulness to the games, so a capture card is the only option. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:49, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
:::There are a few images on the archives that are recreated images without taking it directly from the games, but I do not believe that the practice is recommended. I would contact an administrator on the archives if this would be acceptable. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 04:03, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

== Regarding APNG images ==

In using Bulbapedia as a reference for various Moves, I noticed you employ the APNG format, however many of the animations are unnecessarily large. I've personally spent quite a bit of time building and deconstructing APNGs in order to understand the format. I thought I'd start my contributions by providing and animated version of [[a:File:Reflect_III.png|Reflect]]. Before I upload it though, I'd like to confirm my suspicion that the existing animations are intentionally split with the first frame being midway through the loop so that APNG unaware browsers will still display a useful illustration of the move. --[[User:GARY-DOS|GARY-DOS]] ([[User talk:GARY-DOS|talk]]) 06:21, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
:Yes, it is intentional to have the unanimated frame be still a useful image. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

== Version Exclusive Trainers ==

I apologize if this is not the correct area to talk about this. The character box for trainers is made up of several templates, which means there is not a core talk page for this to go to. After the debacle of exploring Mt. Mortar in Gold (gen II) with every possible resource online and through game play, I have come to the realization, unless I still have not explored well enough, that three out of the four trainers are more than likely version exclusive to Crystal version. That being said, there is not an area in the trainer box to show if certain trainers are version exclusive. Due to this, articles with trainer boxes which do not state the specifics of certain version exclusive trainers are misleading, which should be fixed. That being said, I do not know exactly how many trainers are version exclusive, and I am aware that determining that would take a lot of time. One may say that due to it costing a lot of time to calculate the above, as well as it being so specific, that it doesn't matter. I wish to know the opinions of others to see if this is necessary...not just for my sake, but for any other viewer using Bulbapedia for information about locations and the trainers within them. [[User:Qj|Qj]] ([[User talk:Qj|talk]]) 02:30, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
:(Now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure I remember my old VersusBooks guide from my childhood mentioning that the Trainers were new to Crystal. So I'm pretty sure you're right.) I wouldn't think it's necessary to change the templates. I think we should just be able to use separate section headers (i.e., it's "Generation II" now, so we could add a subheader under it for "Crystal only"). As for the time necessary, that may be an obstacle, but no logistical obstacle should be considered large enough to make us not even ''try'' to compile correct information. If we try and fail, sure, and the topic will almost certainly attract very little attention, but giving up before the start seems defeatist. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:17, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
::Just so you know, a good amount of pages already have version exclusives separated (for example: {{rt|115|Hoenn}} has the trainers separated between Ruby and Sapphire (where all the trainers are pretty much the same) and Emerald, with trainers who have differences being marked off. It's the same with Generation IV Routes like ({{rt|212|Sinnoh}})). If any Routes aren't marked with version exclusive trainers it was either done by someone with one game assuming they all have the same trainers, or don't have version exclusives. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 05:46, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Thank you for the clarification on the issue. I would have seen the separation, but the articles I visited had none of the separation you talked about above. I hope that editors willing to make edits to trainer boxes in the future will first make sure their information spans through all games of the generation in question, as to prevent future misunderstandings for all future viewers. (StrategyWiki, in general, is not as accurate compared to this site due to the large community.) [[User:Qj|Qj]] ([[User talk:Qj|talk]]) 06:31, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

==Mega Eon Duo are now Available to the Public through Cheat Codes==
A hacking company has released cheat codes to get the Mega Eon Duo, and the Internet is now roaming with players using these Mega Evolutions. Does this mean it's now okay to acknowledge the existence of the Mega Eon Duo and add them to the pages around Bulbapedia? [[User:Nintendocan|Nintendocan]] ([[User talk:Nintendocan|talk]]) 03:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
:were not allowed to aknowledge them until Nintendo actually reveals them apparently. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 03:43, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
::It's more along the lines of "We don't like using stuff that we didn't find ourselves if Nintendo hasn't revealed it". We'll get pages once Bulbapedia contributors get the cheating device required to obtain them--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 06:04, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
:::We currently do mention them: check the [[Mega Stone]], [[Mega Evolution]], [[Latios (Pokémon)]], [[Latias (Pokémon)]], etc. pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:04, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Yeah, that comment was made a while before that round of edits.----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 22:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::Shouldn't we have an image of them?--<sc>✓[[User:PikaTepig999|Pika]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|Tepig]][[Special:Contributions/Pikatepig999|999]]✓</sc> 09:58, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

== Blaziken Mask/Meyer ==

All right, so the episode that reveals the fact that these are the same character just so happened to air this morning. There is no more spoiler for North America, only for those who haven't seen the episode. As I don't believe it's natural to try to prevent spoilers five years down the line (hey, I only started watching the anime a couple of years or so ago), I think it's time that the two pages be merged. This has been brought up at {{red link|Talk:Blaziken Mask|Blaziken Mask's talk page}} and eventually [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABlaziken_Mask&diff=2035685&oldid=2031839 confirmed] by [[User:Blazingfist|Blazingfist]] there, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Blaziken_Mask&diff=next&oldid=2035685 another opinion given for a merge], and even [[Talk:Meyer|Meyer's talk page]] was [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Meyer&oldid=2075735 created] with a note that it should be the new home of the [[Blaziken Mask]] information.

I first commented on [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMeyer&diff=2090589&oldid=2089765 March 17] (actually evening of March 16 for me) also noting we need to make the move within a week. No response followed until [[User:Mkbw50|Mkbw50]] suggested [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMeyer&diff=2092108&oldid=2090589 continuing use of spoiler tags] on the merged page; I disagree with this myself since it's known they are the same character now. Blazingfist and myself have since [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMeyer&diff=2092827&oldid=2092108 commented further], but I decided it was time to bring more visibility to this and get more editor opinion on this.

So...it's time to merge [[Meyer]] and [[Blaziken Mask]]. They are the same character; continuing to keep the pages separated implies they are different people, which would not be prudent for us to do. Let's discuss a merge. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:25, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

== Event-exclusive moves ==

Is there a list or category of them? If so, can someone direct me to it? If not, should it be created? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:14, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
:I don't think one exists. A category sounds like a good idea. As far as I know, the event-exclusive moves we currently have pages for are {{m|V-create}}, {{m|Hold Back}}, {{m|Celebrate}} and {{m|Happy Hour}}. Plus, some of the moves we know exist but don't know how to get in-game might be event-exclusive. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:56, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

== Prior to Generation (#) ==

Just notice that in Pokedex entries, "This Pokemon is unavailable prior to Generation (#)" is written. But as for sprites, all the genrations are listed, and then, "This Pokemon did not appear in Gen (#)" is written. Can't we just write "This Pokemon did not appear prior to Gen (#)"? [[User:TrainerTantei|TrainerTantei]] ([[User talk:TrainerTantei|talk]]) 07:52, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
:I agree! [[User:Player3.25|By player 3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 19:21, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

== Adding information to the anime episodes ==
I'm slightly new to Bulbapedia, and would like to contribute to the episode guide and the pages containing the episode information of the XY series by adding some broadcasting information, but the thing is I don't know how to add that info and would like to know. [[User:Jamie64326|Jamie64326]] ([[User talk:Jamie64326|talk]]) 13:50, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

== Vertical line thing ==

I can't figure out how to get the following line thing: | (I had to copy and paste that). Does anyone know how? [[User:Player3.25|Player3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 20:21, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
:On standard American keyboards, it's the key above '''Enter''' ('''Return''') on the same key as the '''Backslash''' ( '''\''' ), but typed by holding '''Shift'''. On other keyboards I do not know the answer. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 21:06, 6/21/2014 (UTC)

That's OK, but I'm from Ireland. [[User:Player3.25|Player3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 07:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
:Look for the key with "|\" on. Shift click that. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 07:49, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Which row is it in? I can't find that key anywhere on the keyboard. [[User:Player3.25|By Player3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 16:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

:Apparently it should be [http://www.chrismary.com/languagekeyboard/layouts/irish_keyboard.jpg next to the Z], but there's a note here saying it's not on all keyboards. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 16:19, 6/22/2014 (UTC)

Oh. It's on my keyboard, but on the actual key, it shows 2 short vertical lines with a gap between them, but when I typed it, this came up: | Thanks! [[User:Player3.25|By Player3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 18:05, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

== How do I know when I can create pages? ==

I know you can create pages when you have edited enough articles, but how do I know when I've done that? Does it alert me or something? [[User:Player3.25|The person]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 18:41, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
:No alert, you can just be able to create your user page. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 21:22, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

== How do you replace images? ==

Does anybody know how to replace the images in the boxes with captons on pages? [[User:Player3.25|By player 3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 16:53, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
:We have [[:a:Main Page|separate server]] for files. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 16:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
??? [[User:Player3.25|By player 3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 18:00, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
:You need to go there and upload new pictures in order to replace them here. Also, please make sure to use colons (<nowiki>:</nowiki>) when responding to posts in order to indent your message. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 18:12, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

== How do you create info boxes? ==

How do you create information boxes? [[User:Player3.25|By player 3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 19:18, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

== Type percentages ==

I noticed that the percentages on the type pages are wrong, so I made [[User:TheSilentHero/Type Count|this]] page with the correct numbers. Would it be all right to change this in the type pages? [[User:TheSilentHero|TheSilentHero]] ([[User talk:TheSilentHero|talk]]) 09:37, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

==Demographics==
I'm getting the feeling that some of the populations are incorrect. For one, Safari Zone Gate seems to be way lower than it should be, and the attendants in the Pokemon Centre dont seem to be counted at all. Yet, The Talk Page of both Black City and White Forest has someone saying they should be. A lot of people seem to be unclear on this scince Ive seen comments of people on other Talk pages not being sure. I'm just gonna go ahead with (slowly but surely) recounting Johto, Kanto and possibly Sinnoh's cities and towns, including Pokemon Centre's Marts, and Gates. I'm ignoring Hoenn because that will change in OR/AS anyways and ignoring Unova because I dont know what Castelia City/Nimbasa City people were counted and which werent. And I dont have X/Y yet so cant count Kalos. Also, the older regions have been here a while, so checking stuff for them might have slowed down too. If anyone wants to help, or comment on this, then go on ahead. Just posting this here since I think a heads up would be necessary. [[User:Smear-Gel|Smear-Gel]] ([[User talk:Smear-Gel|talk]]) 22:13, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

== Hoopa page ==

First thing's first: Will we use my [[User:Phiraptor28/Hoopa_(Pokémon)|Hoopa page]] as the official page? *not bragging*
Secondly: And if we're gonna use the page, we have two options: 1. Wait for Hoopa's Forme Differences to be released before using the page; and 2. Edit the Hoopa page to hide the info about Hoopa Unbound. Thanks for reading! Sorry, I sometimes get a little too excited. '''Too excited''' :) [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 13:55, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

== Hatching Undiscovered Eggs ==

How come the Pokémon in the Undiscovered Egg Group have egg cycles listed? Surely this is pointless information, right? ''' ''Scribbl'' ''' 13:08, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:It's just game data, so while it may not actually be used, it is still there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

==Let's Hold Hands==
Hi! Can a staff member remove Let's Hold Hands (a Korean ending theme) from the wanted pages list? I've made the page but under a slightly different translated name :)--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(Talk)''']] 06:30, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

== Wonder mail ==

I would put wonder mail codes in items and pokemon for [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] but I do not know how to put down the codes. How would I do this? [[User:Musicjax|Musicjax]] ([[User talk:Musicjax|talk]]) 00:27, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
:The only Wonder Mail codes that are appropriate for Bulbapedia are those that are required to unlock otherwise unaccessible content, such as Wonder Mail-exclusive events and version-exclusive Pokémon. The appropriate articles for such Wonder Mail codes should already contain a code that will unlock the content ([[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team#Wonder Mail codes|Example]]). - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 02:38, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

== Use of files from built-in screenshot functions ==

I wish to add to the pages pertaining to locations in Pokémon Rumble World. Is it appropriate to use images taken with Rumble World's "Take Photos" feature, or should I leave it to someone with a capture card? [[User:Spongeabc5|Spongeabc5]] ([[User talk:Spongeabc5|talk]]) 01:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
:I don't play Pokémon rumble world (my charger broke for my 3ds) but, if the take photos feature takes screenshots then this would probably be ok. [[User:Musicjax|Musicjax]] 23:13, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
::If you are taking shots in-stage and posting, say, the entire top image as an example of gameplay in a stage, that is perfectly fine. The concern is for certain types of images; I'm trying to milk decent images out of the lower-screen JPGs that would, as JPGs, not be sufficient quality (I do re-save them as PNG), but in-game screens are perfectly viable and are even [[Gold Plateau|already in use]]. Ideally, it'd be nice to have at least one generic shot and one boss battle - maybe including a legendary periodically, but not always - in each area. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:26, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

== Time Space Axis M12 ==

I have one ready in my [[User:Upratik 12/Time-Space Axis (M12)|user space]] ready, if it's enough i would like it to move it to the mainspace --[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 20:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

== Filter Problem ==

I'm having an issue where, on a lot of pages, pressing the move-sorting filter will arrange the moves in an order for a different category. Instead of categorising moves by Type after pressing the arrow next to the "Type" heading, for example, the moves will be sorted in order of highest to lowest Accuracy. On the pages where this happens, it always categorises moves according to the fourth filter to the right. Pressing "Category" should order moves depending on whether they're physical, special, or status, but instead it goes in PP order. The "Power" filter sorts moves into an order depending on their Contest category, the "Accuracy" filter orders them by their Contest Appeal, and the "PP" filter orders them by their Contest Jamming level. This could just be my computer spazzing out, but it happens for me on a lot of pages. Is this a site bug? ''' ''Scribbl'' ''' 09:40, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:This [[Talk:Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#Correction|has been noticed]]. In short, the problem is that most of the tables do actually work, but if the tutor table is on the same page as anything else, somehow it seems to screw up the sorting of the other tables. It's not an easy thing to troubleshoot. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:31, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding the new Manaphy event ==

I tried to translate part of the site with the Water Tribe Manaphy, and got this. Some of it may be wrong.
Is this useful at all?

Ribbon: 위시리본 (Wish Ribbon).
Ball: 프레셔스볼 (Precious Ball).
Fathers (possibly OT): 물의일족 (Water Clan).
Item: 없음 (None.)
{{unsigned|Keeby358}}
:We already have this information listed here: {{DL|List of Korean region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Water Tribe Manaphy}}. Thanks for the help though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

== Hoopa page ==

Hoopa's page is protected and hence I cannot make this change to the article. The change is that on the page it is written that the prison bottle has not been officialy revealed, which is wrong. Also it is written that Hoopa Unbound is also not officially revealed. {{unsigned|PokemonCool|21:54, 13 July 2015}}
:You should bring it up on the {{talk|relevant talk page|Hoopa (Pokémon)}}. Also, sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. -''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 16:31, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

== How do i translate an entire page? ==

hey, im pretty new here, and i want to know,
how do i translate an entire page?
i really want to do this, and i will be more than happy if someone will answer me.
have a good day :) {{unsigned|Nunutrxh}}
:Our [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis]] partners have pages about topics written by native speakers of that language; they have pages in German, French, Italian, Japanese, Polish, and Chinese. If you need a Bulbapedia page translated into another language, then you'll have to use Google Translate or another online translation service. Also, in the future, please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
::pherhaps you missed understood me, i dont want a to see a translated page, i want to translate it by myself. is thtat an option? sorry if the way i wrote it sounds rude, i dont know how to write proper english letters and such <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. 11:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC) {{unsigned|Nunutrxh}}
:::Yeah, you've got to remove the nowiki tags for your signature to work correctly. Just use the four ~. As for your question, you may translate it depending on what you want to do with the translated stuff. -''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 11:57, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
::::If you click the "edit" button at the top of a page, you can see the source code of a page. You can translate that text into whichever language you like. If you plan on rehosting it somewhere else, as a derivative work, it is subject to the CC BY-NC-SA 2.5 license, which requires you to [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ follow the license terms]. If you're interested in translating pages into your language for Bulbapedia itself, I unfortunately don't believe that we are in need of that content at the moment. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 12:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

== Contest conditions ==

I need to add Oras moves and effects for contest spectaculars. However, for the addition, the chart needs a new column. How do you add one? I am a new user. Please help. Sincerely, Tripplekittys. {{unsigned|Tripplekittys}}
:I'm sorry to tell you this, but right now you can't add new info to that template. There's a draft for a new one [[User:Kogoro/Movelist/contest|over here]], but I don't know when it will be moved to the mainspace, maybe when we get remakes of ''Pokémon Diamond'' and ''Pearl'' so the shitload of moves in need of Contest data will be even bigger and the chart even messier. On another note, please sign your posts with four tildes (~) in the future. Thank you! --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 00:31, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Hello, I had just made an account to help complete the Contest condition move tables. Looking at this discussion makes this seem unlikely to happen, but I figured I would ask to see if there has been any progress since the original post? And if not, is there anyway that I can get a hold of that linked template and attempt to work on overhauling the whole section? Thank you in advance for the help. [[User:LiteRed|liteRed]] ([[User talk:LiteRed|talk]]) 04:48, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

== Linking to items with their own articles on "List of items" pages. ==

On the various "List of items" pages, is there a way to properly link to the articles of items that have their own articles?

'''Example''': In the entry for [[Destiny Knot]], the section has the small words "Red Thread", which in turn has a link to a Wikipedia page about the "Red String of Fate". If "Destiny Knot" had its own Bulbapedia article, would there be a way to make the bold-faced words "Destiny Knot" point to such an article? It appears that I am having link/template difficulties.. Thanks in advance for the help. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 04:04, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

== what can I do in there? ==

Hey guys i'm a user in this wiki.but i don't know what can i do in there,before BLUBAPEDIA wiki i have worked at 52poke wiki,so what should i do?Although my English is bad but please tell me what can i do,thankyou.--[[User:52poke yellow|'''₥Yellow''']] '''¤from52poke〆''' [[User talk:52poke yellow|'''don't''''''fight''']] 13:40, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Change "Start" and "--" for level up move levels ==

We should change all occurrences of "Start" in Pokemon level up tables (like [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#By leveling up]]) and "--" in move level up tables (like [[Tackle (move)#By leveling up]]) to "1". Certainly for Generations IV+ at least; maybe for Generations I-III as well.

;WHY<nowiki>:</nowiki>

I bred myself a {{p|Pumpkaboo}} (so, it knew its three "Start" moves) and then traded it to myself through the GTS at level 1 and it evolved into {{p|Gourgeist}}. And after it evolved, it learned {{m|Explosion}} and then was asked to learn {{m|Phantom Force}}. Again: ''at level 1''.

Gourgeist's [[Gourgeist (Pokémon)#By leveling up|level up table]] says "Start" for Explosion and Phantom Force (and etc). (Likewise, in Explosion's [[Explosion (move)#By leveling up|level up table]], Gourgeist's row says "--, 75".) But if I can learn those moves at level 1, that field should ''say'' "1". If I can learn it at level 1, there's no good reason to say "Start" or "--" instead. If it ''doesn't'' say "1", that implies I ''can't'' learn it at level 1.

I also tested this same thing with a bred level 1 {{p|Slowpoke}} in Gen IV. I traded one each to Pearl and Platinum holding King's Rocks, and after they evolved, they learned {{m|Power Gem}} ([[Slowking (Pokémon)/Generation IV learnset|only in Platinum]]) and {{m|Hidden Power}}. So: again, these moves are plainly at level "1"; not "Start".

This isn't possible to test directly in Generations I-III, since none of those games [[Experience#Experience underflow glitch|have wild Pokemon at lv 1]] (and bred Pokemon start at level 5 instead of 1). I may (''maybe'') try to use some cheat codes/ROM editing to test the behavior, though.

;USE "1"

So. As I said at the start, we should change all "Start" and "--" to "1" for at least Generations IV-VI. I suppose it's kind of a moot point whether we also do that for Generations I-III since, as I also said, there's no natural way to evolve any Pokemon at level 1 in those games. But, if the game does treat those "Start" moves as learnable at level 1, then I tend to think we should use accurate terminology...

Of course, this is a big project. I'm sure staff want to at least approve it first. I don't know, maybe staff would even want to do it entirely by themselves. But, as much change as it may require, this is '''''absolutely''''' something that needs to be done. We cannot call "Start" and "--" 'good enough'. They are inaccurate, misleading; they're not even ''necessary'' if "1" is true. And it is. This needs to be changed.

[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:38, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

: (WHY) Alright, this might be a bit of rambling, but this is what I have. While still being part speculation at this time, I believe the original intent was possibly to the term "Starting Moves" being shortened to the word "Start." The [[Move Reminder]] article mentions that one of the reason for wanting to learn a move with the Move Reminder is if "the species (has) more than four starting moves" and that Healing Wish is "one of Lopunny's starting moves." It seems that a move that can be learned at Level 1 is considered a "Start Move," whether it is an unofficial term, an official term, or a fan term. More evidence for this can be found with [[User:Mazion]] who [[Special:Contributions/Mazion|use the wording "starter move" several times]] and an issue involving [[Seaking_(Pokémon)#Trivia|Seaking "learning" Supersonic twice in Gen II]]. Additionally, [[Talk:Generation_IV_hybrid#.22Start.22_and_.22Level_1.22_moves...|the talk page for the Generation IV hybrids shows a conversation that associates "Start" with Level 1]]. Oddly, moves themselves never use the term "Start" and instead use "--" like on [[Reflect Type (move)]].
: (USE 1) I will note that since at least sometime around Generation IV, the template started to use the following note: 'A level of "Start" indicates a move that will be known by a Bulbasaur obtained at level 1 in Generation VI.' The reasoning behind having the note is speculation at this time, though it might have to do with attempting to explain what "Start" means. More, I would like to if the rambling I made earlier is the reasoning behind just not using Level 1. Either way, I am currently content with consistency in all pages.
: (I will note that Tiddlywinks and myself [[User talk:Super goku#Slowking Gen IV|had a small discussion on my talk page]] that highlights a few points as well. Basically on what [[Prima Games]] and Nintendo used in their Strategy guides and {{bp|Project Pokédex}}.)
:--[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:48, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
::The discussion about the Gen IV hybrids seems much too specialized to be relevant (apparently they ''"level up to Level 1 twice"'').
::As far as the note that appeared around Gen IV, it's far from perfect in a couple ways. For one, the wording "obtained" doesn't entirely sound like it would apply to a Pokemon that evolved (like by trade or evo stone). And then, that note is just so very easy to miss or else forget. And at the same time: there's still just no need—at all—to use "Start" if "1" is true (in the process of leveling up/evolving at least). If "1" is true, "Start" is not in any way better than "1". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:21, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:::According to {{u|Kogoro}}, changing "Start" and "--" to "1" has previously been approved due to being listed as level 1 in ''[[Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Guidebook]]''. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:31, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Meaning: this is something it's okay for average users to start fixing anywhere it's currently "Start" or "--"? (Not: staff have been intending to get to it, or something.)
::::Also: on any page, even all the way back to Gen I? (I still don't know how Gen I-III act.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:38, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::I am going to be a bit bold and suggest that Gen III should follow due to the FRLG Strategy guide. Otherwise, I would just suggest consistency with all Learnsets. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 05:19, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Bump.
::::::(I don't mean this to sound like some sort of "threat", but:) I suppose if there's no answer, I can just go ahead and try editing a number of pages and just see like that if staff minds. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:11, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Kogoro has given approval to change "--" or "Start" to "1". --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:22, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Based on The Official Kalos Guidebook mentioned above. Tiddlywinks wants staff approval that any user can make the changes and that it goes back to Generation I learnsets as well. Personally, I would like some clarification as well. (Especially since we do sometimes based specific styles on specific Generations.) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Guys. Kogoro said yes. Meaning yes, you may change "Start" or "--" to "1" on '''all''' learnsets, regardless of generation. We want to be consistent here, so all of them should have "1".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== CAPTCHA won't display ==

I'm a new user and I was able to sign up only because of the mobile view option since the desktop view wouldn't display the CAPTCHA. Now that I'm signed up, I can't edit pages with links because doing so requires a CAPTCHA and it still doesn't display. I'm using Chrome. [[User:AmoralCreed|AmoralCreed]] ([[User talk:AmoralCreed|talk]]) 04:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
: I'm also a new user, and I had a similar problem. Then Captcha showed up at the bottom of the "sign in" page and wouldn't accept my entries until (3-4 tries later), it finally displayed in the correct spot. (Also using Chrome, because it tends to run Bulbapedia with fewer hiccups than my IE 11.) [[User:Cybertronian|Cybertronian]] ([[User talk:Cybertronian|talk]]) 04:29, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
:: I had the same problem while signing up, so this is still an issue. However, in my case it might have been due to my NoScript plugin. [[User:Sandrew26|Sandrew26]] ([[User talk:Sandrew26|talk]]) 14:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:: After trying to add external links to a page, the captcha requirement appeared again. Once again, it first appeared at the very bottom of the page, and entering the correct numbers had no effect. The page refreshed and again asked for a captcha, but this time the box was in what I assume was the correct location near the top of the page, and this time entering the numbers worked. I don't have any scripts blocked (noscript shows only bulbagarden.net), and ghostery isn't blocking it, either. I'd upload a picture to show you, but bulbapedia won't let me? I'm on firefox 46.0.01 --[[User:Sandrew26|Sandrew26]] ([[User talk:Sandrew26|talk]]) 13:54, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

== What is the process for updating Game Sprite PNGs/images? ==

I've been using Bulbapedia to help me out as I play with the 3rd Generation Pokémon games (in my case: Sapphire, LeafGreen, FireRed, and Emerald). Recently, I decided to save some of the game sprites and I noticed that the R/S sprites for Jynx weren't consistent with one another. (R/S Normal Jynx had miscolored sprites and noticeable blank spots, mostly in the hands, compared the R/S Shiny Jynx.) Using Paint Shop Pro 9.01, I touched up the sprite, and kept the new image limited to the 15 (plus 1 transparent) colors used on the original image. This way, if someone were to ''manually'' change the palette colors to those of Shiny Jynx (after saving the PNG to their own computer, of course), they would now look indistinguishable. I then joined Bulbapedia so that I could submit my update for review.
That being said, what is the process for submitting a ''new'' image to be reviewed for possible replacement of an ''earlier'' submitted image? [[User:Cybertronian|Cybertronian]] ([[User talk:Cybertronian|talk]]) 04:45, 18 February 2016 (UTC).

== Gen1 sprite order on species pages ==

Is there any particular reason that the Gen1 species pages show the JBlue/Red/Blue sprites first, then Yellow, then Red/Green? Sprites from all other generations are listed by release order, with the "Red" of each pair when they don't use the same sprites. To keep things consistent, (and to easier display how they were changed over time), shouldn't they be ordered as Red/Green, JBlue/Red/Blue, Yellow? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 01:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
:We're an English wiki. English content is our primary concern. That said, Japanese content may be significant as well, which would be why we do include the different R/G sprites; but it's firmly a secondary concern compared to the releases that most English-speakers will actually know.
:And it's not really relevant that everything else is listed in release order, when everything else didn't have the same divergence between what was released in Japanese and what was released in English. That inherently breaks down any such comparison. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:35, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
:As Tiddlywinks said, English content has priority. I don't think it'd hurt if the order were changed to place RG first though. Also, if I may, Red and Blue, from an official standpoint, are nothing more than the Western releases of the Japanese Red, Green, and Blue (Blue provides the engine, Red and Green the version-exclusive content). We really don't need the game articles split into RGB and RB as this distinction is more of a habit than anything else, not to mention that the relevant changes can be explained in detail on their respective articles (e.g.: [[in-game trade]]). But this is just my 2¢ and that's a topic for another date, I guess. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 01:58, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

== Question about updating images. ==

I've noticed many move pages missing Gen VI images, my question is how you take a picture of your Gen VI game as though it was a computer screenshot?
[[User:Sporedragon|Sporedragon]] ([[User talk:Sporedragon|talk]]) 01:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:Through miiverse --[[User:Pyritie|Pyritie]] ([[User talk:Pyritie|talk]]) 10:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
::It is not possible to upload screenshots of the Generation VI games through Miiverse, presumably due to having cases where the 3DS camera is used (Holocaster is one example). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:01, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Grammar error ==

On the Editor's Hub page it says "The follow articles don't meet our standards:", when it should be "following". I didn't see a way to edit it, so I'm leaving a note. [[User:Sandrew26|Sandrew26]] ([[User talk:Sandrew26|talk]]) 14:26, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

== Official Sun and Moon Release Dates ==

I am happy to inform you that Nintendo, through a 3DS notification, has set the official release dates for Sun and Moon as Nov. 18. I request that this be put on the main page ASAP [[User:Destructodon|Destructodon]] ([[User talk:Destructodon|talk]]) 01:38, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
:We've already had that information on the Sun and Moon page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Sun_and_Moon&diff=2439847&oldid=2437102 for more than a month]. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

== Move breeding table width ==

Is it possible to increase the width of the tables in the "by breeding" section on moves? Everything's so squished that it looks silly and it's very difficult to navigate. Look at [[Leech Seed]] for an example -- the minisprites should be on more than one or two columns per generation. --[[User:Pyritie|Pyritie]] ([[User talk:Pyritie|talk]]) 11:02, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

== Accidentally signed a talk page too many times ==

I somehow signed the bottom of this section http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Tapu_Koko_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Name_origin and I can't remove the extra signature because of a "vandal filter 3" error... On a side note, how are people supposed to make edits to something they said on the talk pages if they have to sign their edits literally every time? I swear why do all the wikis I visit always have questionable policies? [[User:Mattwo|Mattwo]] ([[User talk:Mattwo|talk]]) 23:06, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:I've removed the extra signature. As for your other note, you sign every comment you make so other users know who wrote the comment. That should be common sense.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:37, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
::And what about when you're just fixing a typo or something? I shouldn't be forced to place a signature that already exists... [[User:Mattwo|Mattwo]] ([[User talk:Mattwo|talk]]) 07:42, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:::You shouldn't be fixing typos or grammatical errors. You can't edit your message once you've sent it, that's what the preview button is for.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:25, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
::::So you're basically just expecting everyone to '''''always''''' catch all their mistakes right off the bat? Gotta say, that is an unreasonably high expectation. [[User:Mattwo|Mattwo]] ([[User talk:Mattwo|talk]]) 17:12, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Not necessarily. If you spot an error once you've sent the message, you just can't edit it. If you wanted to make sure there were no errors in your message, you should use the preview button. If not, then save away and leave it be. Also, stop altering your comments and you don;t need to sign every time you alter your comments. Only when you make new comments.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:34, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

== Page Request ==

Please set this page's text to what I said in its talk page: {{redlink|After-Cap effect}} {{unsigned|Theawesomer}}

== Page Request (correction) ==

Please set text for this page to my comment in its talk page: {{redlink|After-Cap Effect}}

I made it

--[[User:Theawesomer|Theawesomer]] ([[User talk:Theawesomer|talk]]) 10:01, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
:Minor glitches like that don't get their own articles, they go on the list of glitches in their generation. And I believe it's already on [[List of glitches in Generation I#Inded #000 post-capture|there]]. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 14:07, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

== Is copying and pasting from other sites allowed? ==

I want to write down the plot of chapter 1 of Pocket monsters B2 W2 ~ A new legend manga. Dogasu's backpack already has the plot. I am not sure if I am allowed to copy and past the information on Dogasu's backpack on to the page or if it is considered plagiarism. I am reffering to this page: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/ANL1 [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 17:11, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
:Absolutely not. Please read [[Bulbapedia:FAQ#Can I copy/steal stuff from other sites?|this]]. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 17:18, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

== Find-and-Replace Bot ==

Do we have a bot that can do a find-and-replace for a certain phrase? [[User:Hydroxybutyric|Hydroxybutyric]] ([[User talk:Hydroxybutyric|talk]]) 21:03, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
::Hello...? [[User:Hydroxybutyric|Hydroxybutyric]] ([[User talk:Hydroxybutyric|talk]]) 21:22, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:::♫♪♫ Is it {{u|BulbaBot}} you're looking for? ♫♪♫ (...or rather a related thread thread on [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?forums/bulbawiki-forum.195/ the forums]?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:23, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
::::The user who takes requests for BulbaBot seems to have locked their page, though. [[User:Hydroxybutyric|Hydroxybutyric]] ([[User talk:Hydroxybutyric|talk]]) 14:56, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::BulbaBot's talk page has been locked because it is not a human, so nobody checks its talk page. The staff sometimes use BulbaBot for mass replacement tasks (or their own accounts), but there is no publicly accessible text replacement tool. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:17, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== Research template ==

I need help, how to write the research needed template [[User:Mrkubatt 98|Mrkubatt 98]] ([[User talk:Mrkubatt 98|talk]]) 21:14, 1 December 2016 (UTC)Mrkubatt_98
:You can tag pages with <code><nowiki>{{incomplete|needs=REASON GOES HERE}}</nowiki></code>. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:15, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== [tcg] Difference between "Miscellaneous_Promotional_cards_(tcg)" and the "Additional Cards" Section in sets ==

I was going through the older sets aka [[EX_Hidden_Legends_(TCG)]], and noticed that these sets did not have an additional cards section for cards; like the non holo national championship cards. So I then looked at the [[Miscellaneous_Promotional_cards_(TCG)]] and found them there. I also found some of the newer cards like the build a bear workshop pikachu promo there as well.

Should all the miscellaneous promos be in the '''Additional Cards''' section that is on the set's page (minus the jumbos imo) or are there special rules about what goes there? If not I'd love to edit the older sets and add them.

[[User:Pcompaq|Pcompaq]] ([[User talk:Pcompaq|talk]]) 22:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== ''More info for beginner editors'' ==

There should be a list of '''all''' templates and more editing advice so that people that have knowledge of Pokémon but don't know how to edit pages that well can contribute to the wiki. {{unsigned|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon}}
:A [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=&to=&namespace=10 list of all templates] would be excessive and incredibly overwhelming to new editors. The templates most beginners will be interested in are link templates, a list of which can be found at [[BP:LLT]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:54, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
::So where can I find the template for that info thing that is on the right? (also what is that called?)[[User:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon]] ([[User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon|talk]]) 10:13, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub/Archive 1

2016-12-26T08:54:19Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon: /* More info for beginner editors */ new section

== Protection ==
Shouldn't this be protected to prevent vandelism much like the main page is? [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 13:04, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
: It is protected.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 20:24, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
::I know it is now, it wasn't when I post the message above. And I stayed up to date on status of the page and thus noticed when it was semi-protected then fully protected. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 20:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
== Tentacool ==

I need help changing one of the type effects of Tentacool over to somewhere else. I am a new member so I don't know how to do all these changes so if someone can help that will be nice.

what needs to be changed is electric needs to be taken out of tentacool's weakness column and put in the regular effect column. if someone can tell me how to do that then that will be nice thanks again.
([[User:Roadmaster84|Roadmaster84]] 23:29, 21 December 2011 (UTC))
:Tentacool is a {{t|Water}}/{{t|Poison}} Pokémon. Water is weak to Electric and Poison is neutral to Electric. Therefore Tentacool is weak to Electric moves and the existing chart is correct. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:38, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

== Page Like "Incomplete" for "Bad Picture"? ==

Is there a section for Bad Picture just like there is for [[:Category:Articles needing more information|Incomplete]]? I can't find it anywhere! --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 00:19, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:[[:Category:Articles needing better pictures|You mean like this?]] [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:23, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
::Cool! Where did you find that link? If it is really hidden and out of the way, I think it should be in the box with the Machop. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 00:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I don't know what machop you're talking about, but it's in the categories on any page that has that template. In particular, I found it [[Brawly|here]]. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
::::The Machop on the Editor's Hub page! There are three links to get you started improving articles. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 01:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Oh, haha, I see. I rarely look at the Editor Hub. Alright, I added it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:11, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

== Recycle restoring Air Balloon ==

The page [[Recycle]] doesn't mention anything about being able/unable to restore a popped Air Balloon. Shouldn't that be changed? [[User:PC-Reviver|PC-Reviver]] 15:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:No, because a popped Air Balloon is an item that's been consumed, and thus falls under the category of consumed items. - ''signed comment from [[User:BisumitoIsSnazzy|q~Bisumito is Snazzy~p]] ([[User talk:BisumitoIsSnazzy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BisumitoIsSnazzy|contribs]])'' 20:31, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

== how do i get permission to make pages ==

hi im new and wondering how to make pages [[User:Xspeedx|Xspeedx]] 18:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
:You need to make a (top secret) number of edits to the mainspace (i.e. articles) and have had your account for a short (also top secret) length of time. This is done so that you get a chance +to learn our rules and styles before trying to build a page on your own. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

== I need advice ==

Hi, I saw the Anville town Article and saw the section at the top said you can get to anvillle town using the Anville town line in the battle subway. I was thinking that changing it to the Brown line because it's colour is brown? I'm not sure if i should but please tell me if i'm right! [[User:SkyAltaria1|SkyAltaria1]] 14:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be more precise to change it the brown line instead of just saying "Anville line". I don't think there's any harm in changing it. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 15:38, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Ok Thanks :) [[User:SkyAltaria1|SkyAltaria1]] 06:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I need advice too. I know of a glitch that is fairly well-known, yet this wiki doesn't have a page for it. I notice that most glitches have their own pages as well as appearing on the List of Glitches section of the Glitch page. However, I don't have permission to make pages yet. Should I just add this glitch to the List of Glitches and hope someone else makes a page for it, or should I request that a page for it be made, or what? [[User:HappyGasGames|HappyGasGames]] ([[User talk:HappyGasGames|talk]]) 17:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
:If you have a question on a topic that's glitch related, you should talk to {{u|SnorlaxMonster}}. He's the leader of Project:Glichdex and would probably have the answers you're looking for. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 17:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

== Romanization ==
I'm not entirely fond of how Bulbapedia handles their Japanese names for things, primarily how we use the trademarked name and completely ignore the rōmaji. Yes, I think it's important to have the trademarked Japanese names, but I think it's also equally important to have the bare rōmaji, too. I think it would be effective to use the <nowiki>{{tt}}</nowiki> template around the Japanese text itself to show the rōmaji alongside the trademarked name. For example, it would look like this: {{tt|ラルトス|Rarutosu}} ''Ralts'' or {{tt|カメックス|Kamekkusu}} ''Kamex''. Would anyone object to me going around and doing this? [[User:Mitsuru|Mitsuru]] 23:13, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:[[List of Japanese Pokémon names]]. This does that. I personally do not like the idea for esthetic reasons. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:19, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
::Alright, but it applies to more than just Pokémon themselves. Many pages unrelated to Pokémon suffer the same ([[Snag Machine]], [[N]], etc.). And I disagree; I don't think it's too much of an eyesore, and it's hardly invasive. [[User:Mitsuru|Mitsuru]] 03:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

== BW2 Soundtrack ==
Do we need a page for the BW2 soundtrack "Pokémon Black 2 & White 2 Super Music Complete"? I have the CD here and I figured I might as well contribute. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 20:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Nobody? No. Okay, you can remove it if you don't like it. It was fun to do anyway. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 00:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

== Bulbawiki Festive Frontier? ==

"As outlined on Bulbagarden forums, Bulbapedia is done hosting its second annual Christmas Improvement Drive. The Festive Frontier challenge is now over."

Wasn't the Festive Frontier challenge from last year or was it a few months ago? (Just curious since it is currently up on the page.) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 02:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

== Update? ==

Staff of PokéPark 2 is already made. Don't you think we should take it off the Needed articles section? [[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 00:17, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

== Edits ==

How many Edits do I need to do/have to add New Articles?
[[User:Lskitto|Lskitto]] ([[User talk:Lskitto|talk]]) 04:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
:It's an secret amount of edits and a secret amount of time that is only known to staff. Keep editing, and you'll eventually be able to start articles. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 04:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

== Screenshots ==
How do you get a screenshot of an entire city/route/area in the video games?
[[User:152105|152105]] ([[User talk:152105|talk]]) 20:14, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

== Linking Pages ==

When I put in a link to another page it always comes out as Template:whatever-the-article-name-is and I have no idea why.[[User:Uglycats101|Uglycats101]] ([[User talk:Uglycats101|talk]]) 13:26, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
:<nowiki>It would be because you are using {{ and }} to link instead of [[ and ]] one links to templates the other links to pages.</nowiki> --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 13:41, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
oh thanks so much, it works!!! but how do I get those brackets you used they're not on my keyboard or in the character palette at the bottom of the screen I'm currently using copy and paste to get them in. [[User:Uglycats101|Uglycats101]] ([[User talk:Uglycats101|talk]]) 13:30, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
:What keyboard layout do you have? It would be incredibly unusual for any keyboard to not have those brackets. On a standard QWERTY keyboard, they're immediately to the right of the P key, such that typing this whole row yields <code>QWERTYUIOP[]\</code>. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 17:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
oh my gosh, im so dumb, thanks so much for that [[User:Uglycats101|Uglycats101]] ([[User talk:Uglycats101|talk]]) 15:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

== Kato and Kiko ==

I need help adding a trivia sentence for Kato and Kiko. I don't want to try and add a new trivia sentence and end up messing up the whole thing for their trivia. Either someone help me or ill just tell you what I want to post so you can do it yourselves:

For Kato's trivia: Kato's hairstyle resembles the horn of his pokemon, Heracross.

For Kiko's trivia: Kiko's hairstyle resembles the wings of her pokemon, Beautifly.

If you can tell me how to post it that would be excellent or if you want to post it yourself that would be just as excellent. If you end up doing it yourself don't add both on one just kato's on Kato's page and Kiko's on Kiko@'s page. I don't mind either way as long as it manages to get posted and i have some credit for it. Thanks. ([[User:RioluMaster1123|RioluMaster1123]] ([[User talk:RioluMaster1123|talk]]) 01:01, 8 June 2013 (UTC))

==Message of the Day==

There are no more featured MotDs. That part of this page should be replaced. [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]] [[User talk:Spyspotter|says…]] Edit the mainspace, [[Special:ListUsers|kids!]] 03:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:I don't see any "Message of the Day" on this page. Unless you mean the Message from the Editor, which should stay and will be updated when there is new information to put there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
::I mean the featured content. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Spyspotter}} ([[User talk:Spyspotter|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spyspotter|contribs]]) '' 01:00, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

== Protection of Pokemon X/Y related articles ==

I've been noticing that the admins on this site have been protecting almost all Pokemon X/Y related articles and not allowing normal users due to "Speculation Crackdown" till after October 12. It's kind of harsh because not all normal users registered users on this site are speculators. Some really want to help this site gather information from official sources as the game's release draws closer. [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] ([[User talk:Blueknightex|talk]]) 09:41, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:While not all registered users will add speculation, it only takes a handful of users to wreak massive havoc across a wide spread of pages. A lot of XY articles were locked as a reaction to speculation, not as a proactive measure. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:Speculation would not be good for bulbapedia's reputation, and I'm sure no-one wants that! Like [[User:Blueknightex|Blueknightex]] said, it only takes a handful of people to wreak havoc with speculations and rumours. --[[User:KyuremDialga101|KyuremDialga101]] ([[User talk:KyuremDialga101|talk]]) 01:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

== Article on Ash's Charizard does not need editing ==

I noticed that the article [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ash's_Charizard|Ash's Charizard] was in need of an English voice actor. However, after some heavy research, I found out that the voice actor is the same as the Japanese one. What do I do now? Please help, I just joined!
--[[User:KyuremDialga101|KyuremDialga101]] ([[User talk:KyuremDialga101|talk]]) 01:08, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:It could refer to Charmander and Charmeleon. They showed up in flashbacks during BW and, while I didn't watch the episode myself, it could be they spoke during the flashbacks, and had different voice actors. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
::Hi. The voice actor data for Charmander and Charmeleon was present, so it was not referring to them. Currently, the page is showing that for Charizard, the Japanese voice actor did both the Japanese AND the English roles. However, Bulbapedia has named the data as incomplete. Is there anyone I could take my concerns to? Thanks. --[[User:KyuremDialga101|KyuremDialga101]] ([[User talk:KyuremDialga101|talk]]) 01:13, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
:::Charmander and Charmeleon's voice actors on the article are the 4kids actors. During the Advanced Generation the dub was passed on to DuArt. For example, look at [[Ash's Bulbasaur]]. See how it says Tara Jayne for EP010-AG133 then Michele Knotz as current? That's because of the voice actor swap. Since Charmander and Charmeleon appeared in the Best Wishes series, they would have been given new voice actors. Those are the ones that are missing. If you want, you can leave a message on {{u|Kenji-girl}}'s talk page. She's been busy lately so it might take her a while to respond. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 01:26, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

== Regarding Volcanion, Hoopa and Diancie ==

Should we create pages for them yet? We know they are real, and this sort of thing has been done with other event pokemon like Arceus and Genesect. I have pictures which have been confirmed real that we could put in the articles too.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 01:50, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:We do not know they are real. All we know is that other fansites have circulated rumors about them. We do not take info from other fansites. We are an encyclopedia, not a rumor mill. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::I think we know that they're names of potential Pokémon, due to GTS stuff, but that doesn't seem like enough for a page. --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 02:36, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::You can find them in game, GBA Temps has a wild modifier code for them. And the fact that there is already in-game proof (the GTS tests) kind of confirms it's all real. Remember that stuff had been added about previous event 'mons without knowing much about them too.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:03, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::For those of us who don't know, can you explain what GBA Temps is? And how wild modifier codes work? --[[User:WyndFox|Wynd]] [[User talk:WyndFox|Fox]] 05:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::GBA Temps is a website that I imagine distributes cheat codes. Wild modifiers work by simply changeing the pokemon that normally appear in an area to the one specified in the cheat code, as it temporarily alters the game's code. Say, if you put an identifier of 001 in there you would find bulbasaur for example. EDIT: Wait, wrong place, it ws a different guy who made the modifier, GBA Temps made a .pkx editor that could also be used to get the pokemon in game, if anyone wants to test and see, I have a link [http://gbatemp.net/threads/pkx-editor-by-codemonkey85.356901]/--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:40, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Serebii has just confirmed the existence of Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion, Mega [[Latios]] and Mega [[Latias]] as possible event Pokémon with pictures associated. --[[User:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|Wolfy Harfleur 76700]] ([[User talk:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|talk]]) 10:35, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Joe literally wrote in his news story on serebii "Do note, these are still unconfirmed." ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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It seems people have forgotten that this site is, above all else, an ''encyclopedia''. I've seen some wikis have speculative articles and then have some tag at the top of the page saying "This is unconfirmed, yada yada yada." That's extremely unprofessional, and it makes way for a truck load of spam articles under the guise of being "unconfirmed". A good wiki, Bulbapedia included, uses the agenda of official confirmation being ''absolutely crucial''. As much as it may seem, at the current moment, that these three Pokémon and the Mega-Eons are as real as real can get, leaked information is the exact opposite of confirmed information. Even Serebii's no fool. He's not going around asserting that everything he finds is fact. As Nate even said, the words "Do note, these are still unconfirmed" are used on his site. Besides, it's god-honestly better to ''not'' have the information until it's confirmed than to have guesswork that turns out to be wrong. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 15:29, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:correct me if I am wrong but didn't bulbapedia treat meloetta, keldeo and genesect as real pokemon before they were officialy confirmed? It doesn't seem any different here. [[User:0danmaster0|0danmaster0]] ([[User talk:0danmaster0|talk]]) 15:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::The problem is that we could still access the game data to be able to confirm it. We cannot access the game data this time around, which is why we still do not have a lot of images of the Generation VI stuff. Unless we can find data on the PGL to confirm this, we have to treat it like false info until we have proof it is true. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 17:15, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::In which you can use the hacks to get the pokemon to put into the PGL to prove they're real.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:28, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::You cannot put Pokémon into the PGL, that was only Dream World, which only works for Generation V games. Not to mention that the Pokémon shown could be dummied out Pokémon left on the cart. We will need to wait for proof, whether it is from files on the PGL or some info from Nintendo. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::How would one get this info from the PGL? Like people got all the DW art and stuff didn't they? And also I'm quite sure they wouldn't leave dummy 'mons in the game, they would have been replaced with Bad Eggs.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:48, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Files. Every website that uses pictures needs to reference the picture in the website. Thus, most pictures are hosted in the same server as the website itself. Basically, if the images are added to the server, we just need to peek into the server's files and see what is there, which is how we got the other files. As for the other part, why are there two Vivillon patterns in the game that no one has obtained? We don't know what GF has done or will do with them. They could be available or they could be dummied out, though they still seem to exist for the moment as dummied out data. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Hmmm, perhaps they don't plan on adding the picture files until they're officially revealed. After all, I don't think they added the picture files into the PGL for Keldeo, Meloetta and Genesect until they were revealed, did they?--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:49, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
{{indent}} Back on the "dummied out content" thing, yes, there's plenty of dummied out content left in the game's code among all of the older games. Bulbapedia has pages specifically on said content. I can't say I'd be too surprised to find out that some species ended up in this genre. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 02:31, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:On the topic of PGL files, there are two placeholder Vivillon patterns (which are the same as the default pattern), indicating that there are likely to be 2 more Vivillon patterns (matching the leak). The Mythical Pokémon do not appear on the PGL currently. Mega Evolutions all have placeholder artworks (it's just a copy of the Pokémon's standard artwork), and currently there is no placeholder for Mega Latios or Latias. Chances are things that aren't currently there will be added at a later time. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:10, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
While the chance is there that they could be fake ([http://pokejungle.net/2013/10/31/rumour-legends-leaked-by-hacking/ this page even says so]), the fact that this person was able to cause the three legendaries to appear in one of the early Routes pretty much confirms they are real. If those are Photoshopped images, they're pretty good. Additionally, seeing them on the GTS and not filtered out as gibberish also confirms that they are real. The person writing the linked blog, as well, noted that he tried to encounter Pokémon #722 (meaning these came from 719-721) and the result was a Bad Egg, meaning there is nothing programmed after 721 and that is the end of the current Pokédex.

We ought to acknowledge this information. People have tested and confirmed that the data is there. Serebii even briefly had pages for the trio (since taken down, someone put up a screenshot of the three screengrabs as an image). Nintendo just hasn't released the info because they want to leave something for future announcements and events. Since they're already in the game, other than patching to get rid of them, Nintendo can't do much now to change it (and then what will they use for later games, and who says we have to use the patch? I mean, they can't get rid of this data in the games now!). Therefore, they exist, they just haven't been announced. Pages ought to be created even if they are tagged as unconfirmed Pokémon. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:32, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:If you had been paying attention, no one is immediately saying they're faked or photoshopped. But what we ''are'' saying is they may very well be dummied out content. And again, as far as a wiki is concerned, if information is not 100% confirmed, it might as well be 100% fake. Bulbapedia has a reputation to keep, and if things that end up being utter bull get articles only for us to find out the truth later, how will that make the site look? And even if they are really there, they ''can'' indeed be patched out. That's what patches do. If someone who got, say, one of these "Volcanions" ends up losing data and having their save corrupted because it was patched out, well then that's their own fault. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 19:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
::Yes, I'm paying attention. Here's the thing: if they are dummied out, that makes them notable just for that and they deserve to be recognized as deleted Pokémon. Except perhaps for MissingNo, this would be the first case of this, no? That's notable, and what would be their page as real Pokémon can then be redirected to an article on the deleted trio. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:04, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Just thought I'd also mention that if they were dummied out, it is highly unlikely they'd leave all the following data in and have it make sense- Pokedex Entries, Typing, Movesets, Graphical Data, Base Stats. Just a thought--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 01:56, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Exactly. There are way too many dots to connect here that there's no way this is fake. I'm 99% certain at this point that all three of them are the Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect of this generation and we will have all three released by the time of either Hoenn remakes or Z (whichever is first). I'd gamble on it if I could. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:18, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::(edit conflict) We don't know any of that (except the graphical data) even exists. All we have are a single screenshot of each of them. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:19, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::What do you want him to do, take a video of him encountering and catching them, then showing off the Dex entries? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 02:45, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
There's another test we could use to see if this is genuine, the guy who found them also managed to get screenshots of pixie plate arceus and Mew in the game, if the sprites match when Transporter is out we'll know that he truly hacked the game. pics on this twitter: https://twitter.com/PokmonGlobalNew [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 11:34, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::Replying to 0danmaster0 here, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Genesect_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1188433 linked here] is the original draft of [[Genesect (Pokémon)]] from September 18, 2010. It got several more edits that day and the following days. Do we have information on exactly when Nintendo announced Genesect? I know it wasn't released until B2/W2 were released; that very day, in fact. That's two years. I doubt they announced it two years in advance.

::My point? We were posting an article about Genesect two years ahead of time. What would be different about an article on Hoopa since it has been found in the game? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:10, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes, but we had proof Genesect existed because we could hack the DS and get the data out. We still don't know these three aren't a hoax, because we still don't fully know how to hack the 3DS. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:19, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Evidently this guy does know how to hack the 3DS. That's the same thing. I could have said Genesect was a hoax back then myself because I am not a hacker. Same argument. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:38, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::The difference is that when lots of people could do it, it was clearer that Keldeo, Meloetta and Genesect were real because so many independent sources were backing each other up. Currently, (as far as I know,) there's only this one guy "proving" these three, so we have no idea whether he's a good hacker or just a good counterfeiter. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:44, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Pumpkinking has hit the nail on the head. The bottom line is if we can't replicate the results to verify, a random on the internet is nothing more than a dubious source. We can't repeat or verify those results. Therefore, they get no article. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]]''''' 19:21, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I still point out the fact that the names appear on the GTS. That validates them as real Pokémon. I will admit that the images could still be shopped (some are pretty good even of those), but the Pokémon names are real. If Nintendo patches them out after this independent crusade (for lack of a better word), then the article could be about what the names of the Pokémon would have been and were changed due to a hacker. A hacker causing Nintendo to change plans is notable. So one way or another, whether now or after news comes of a new patch that removes the names (impossible on the GTS though unless they close it briefly and remove all requests), an article will exist somewhere on either the Pokémon or the schematics surrounding them being changed (even when the trio does eventually come out with similar types and the would-be names are matched up). I still see no problem with very brief and locked pieces on the three and what has been discovered, with a byline at the top saying the information is unconfirmed. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Just thought I'd mention that we have Diancie's dex entry too. Kotaku said it, not sure if it's a reliable source though.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:52, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::''The bottom line is if we can't replicate the results to verify, a random on the internet is nothing more than a dubious source.''
:::::::::That's funny. Someone earlier said that the reason the article doesn't exist is because Nintendo hasn't announced it. However, Nintendo hadn't announced Keldeo, Meloetta, or Genesect and those articles came up with "multiple independent sources".
:::::::::We now have "multiple independent sources" confirming these three new Pokémon showing up as valid in the GTS by people requesting other than themselves, which is backed up by hacked data confirming their existance and with images (though again, I prefer video). Sersbii had pages up brifly, since taken down. This is exactly the scenario we had with the Unova group, just not as many sources. Yet now the rules are different because it's more convenient to wait for Nintendo to announce it before putting pages up.
:::::::::We need to stop changing the rules in convenient ways for a situation and just report what people have found out already. Wikipedia uses references as a method of sourcing ANY information. We have several sources, even if one main one is a blog and others are forums. That's enough for me for a video game (we're not sourcing nuclear fission or anything like that). If it turns out not to be real, we correct it. That's what a Wiki does. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 03:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::You're wrong with the part about "exactly the same scenario". As already said above, the key difference is being able to replicate the results; that is, unlike with DS games, the encryption for 3DS games is still yet to be broken so data mining is outright impossible. You can't make a ROM dump out of your X or Y game card, break in, and check the Pokémon specification data structures yourself. Instead, for anything other than the names, you need to rely on and believe the authenticity of the few still images by one community member. For the same reasons, we're still missing various things like complete movesets for many Pokémon, all up-to-date data for yet unavailable Gen I to Gen V Pokémon, and so on.
::::::::::Don't get me wrong, I personally don't have any objections for adding the trio into the wiki, but it seems that for now the only thing that can be proven with certainty is that the three names exist and are recognized by GTS as valid ones. That doesn't really yield good, comprehensive pages at this moment, so I understand why they're quite unwanted for now. '''Soulweaver''' (U.S.) ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 04:15, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::Perhaps someone should ask smea to supply the necessary information by his twitter account, after all HE is the one with this information. We know the pokemon exist, we don't officially know their appearance until we get solid proof, and everything else falls under the former category. If he could give us a video showing us exactly what he is doing, showing us the dex entries and types ''at least'', we might actually get somewhere. Same could go for the other discoveries too.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 05:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I have a feeling that they won't since they have apologized for spoiling the Pokémon already. Little hope on that route. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::: As for the other side of the problem, I am confused now with the issue. We know the Pokémon exist. We have proof that they exist. We can replicate the data, though not in the conventional way. We can even data mine the games to confirm it through a modified 3DS that bypasses the encryption issue, which is currently being done to determine how the game stores the data structure for individual Pokémon. The problem we have is over if the three Pokémon are actual Legendary Pokémon that exist in the game or if these are just dummied out Legendary Pokémon that Nintendo and Game Freak thought would be alright to leave on the cart without removing their existence. We cannot confirm that they are event Pokémon, so we cannot add them as articles at the moment. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I will concede that individual articles would not have a lot of information right now (heck, [[Xerneas (Pokémon)]] and [[Yveltal (Pokémon)]] were once like that even when they were announced). However, even if staunch "it's not official" people around here don't want to allow articles, we do need at least one: an article talking about the three and how they were discovered. I point out once again that the three are not being confirmed, the data is simply being reported on.
:::::::::::::and he apologized for "spoiling the Pokémon"? Some of us want to know everything, spoiler or not. I really want to see a video of these. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 16:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:(Resetting indent) What I don't get is why some people seem to be convinced they are dummied out when they are under the same circumstances as last gen's event pokemon. If they were dunnied out, they would leave all that important info in there. {{unsigned|BigBadBatter}}
::Because the data for the two other Vivillion is present in the games, but cannot be access without a modified 3DS. This is similar to past data, like ???-type Arceus. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 23:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Good point, but remember that was only in there to stop crashes, it was never meant to exist within the "actual" game--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 00:39, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::::My guess? Those two Vivillon will be in the next games and can be traded into these ones. How? I don't have a guess on that yet, but maybe they are east and west like the Shellos. In that case, west (North America and possibly Europe) would get one, and east (yeah, beyond Europe, Africa included perhaps) would get the other. That would be consistent with the patterns based on your 3DS region bit. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:56, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
{{indent}} I think it's about time this topic be left alone and not touched again. ''Multiple'' staff members already said these three aren't getting articles until there is enough evidence to prove that they are absolutely and indisputably real, so let's leave it at that, shall we? [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 16:42, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
:I think the debate is not that they aren't real. It's about whether they should have articles without Nintendo confirmation. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:05, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::Regardless, at least three staff members have all said they are not and have given a multitude of reasons. I don't even see why people are still arguing. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy]] ([[User_talk:Schiffy|Speak to me]]|[[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|What I've done]]) 17:12, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Yeah, let's leave it for now. Apparently the offical facebook page made a random post about carbink, so we may see some interesting stuff...--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:00, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
::::The official japanese guide confirmed that there are 721 Pokémon[http://i.imgur.com/2QH3kPl.png] [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 12:36, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Now this is interesting. More confirmation much?--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 22:47, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::Here's the thing. We ''do not'' report on or make articles for information that we cannot confirm ourselves. The person who discovered these did so through a method we cannot replicate. There may be three hidden legendaries, but we cannot confirm that these three are them. The difference between these and previous event legends is the fact we could view the game's code and confirm it ''ourselves''. So, to put it bluntly, until these are confirmed by Nintendo or a widespread method to view the game's code is available, these Pokemon will get ''no article''. No amount of arguing is going to change that. This discussion is serving no purpose whatsoever and should be done. If you want to discuss these rumored legendaries, you should take it the forums. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 22:56, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
they are real. no doubt. they are unannounced, there fore un obtainable, there fore unmarked. they WILL be made, and this guy did officialy find volcanion. there was also a leaked article on pokemon.com, quickly removed, for diancle. just make the pages, and delete them if need be. I will be watching for them in the new year, when I expect them to be announced, after torchic. and also, regarding pixie arcius and mew in x/y, they were added in the 1.1 patch which also allowed all pokemon to be added to the dex via pokebank. so In adding the pokebank, 1.1 had more than it seemed. prove me wrong, but I want evidence I am wrong. I know Nintendo, and this is legit. make the pages. I will cover the story. EDIT- while poking on serebii to take notes, I saw that they have a classification. I don't know if I can put them here, but am doing so any ways. :diancie the jewel pokemon, volcanion the steam pokemon, and hoopa the mischief pokemon. have I blown your mind??? proves their real! {{unsigned|Dra9onslayer}}

What height and weight could it be for the three event Pokémon, what body style do they have and what colour category do they have? [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 07:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
:Look, let's just leave it for now, as we don't have the tools to hack the game and find out for ourselves. Therefore, we cannot make the pages.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:50, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

I know staff members said don't put them up, and I'm not arguing that (that's a good policy, even if we can get into the game). I'm just wondering why people say it isn't the same as before. Because of course Darkrai could have been dummied out back in Gen IV, but now we know it wasn't. Just curious, is all, as that seems to be the big argument (Once again, I agree with the policy of not putting up the page until Gamefreak confirms, because of the risk of it being dummied out. Makes sense) --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 00:23, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
:The difference is that even if Darkrai, etc had been dummied out, we could hack the game so we still knew all of its data. We can't hack the 3DS, so none of the leaks about these three (except for their names on the GTS) are verifiable. We don't know whether the images floating around are legit or a clever Photoshop; we don't know whether the type combinations are true; we don't even know what order their National Dex numbers are in{{tt|*|and sources conflict on this last point — a pretty good sign that at least some of the other information is unreliable as well}}. There's literally nothing we can say in good conscience except "these are their names," whereas in the past, we could hack the game and reliably report every single piece of data for event-exclusives on the DS and prior systems. (That's my standpoint. I think this is a much more persuasive reason not to acknowledge them yet than the "what if they end up being dummied out" argument.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:40, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
::Mostly quoting myself from above, "We know the Pokémon exist. We have proof that they exist. We can replicate the data, though not in the conventional way. We can even data mine the games to confirm it through a modified 3DS that bypasses the encryption issue, which is currently being done to determine how the game stores the data structure for individual Pokémon. The problem we have is over if the three Pokémon are actual Legendary Pokémon that exist in the game or if these are just dummied out Legendary Pokémon that Nintendo and Game Freak thought would be alright to leave on the cart without removing their existence. We cannot confirm that they are event Pokémon, so we cannot add them as articles at the moment." Remember that there is still data on the game for two more Vivillion forms that the Global Links files confirm. The problem is that this data, while present in the games, cannot be access without a modified 3DS. In Generation IV, we had data for the ???-type Arceus, which was never released for good reasons. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 05:10, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I figure now is a good time to resurrect this discussion now that [http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/60943/t1957245-hoopa-volcanion-diancies-leaked-stats-abilities-types/ more evidence] has appeared from what appears to be a separate source, corroborating with leaks we've [http://www.pokedit.com/New+Legendaries+Diancie+Volcanion+Hoopa_8016.html already] [http://pokebeach.com/2013/12/information-on-diancie-hoopa-and-volcanion seen]. Dummied out or not, it appears what we've seen before was indeed correct. I also don't know if this was mentioned, but the PokEdit link also seems to have official Sugimori art, the two missing Vivillon patterns, and a model of AZ's Floette. This is getting harder and harder to call fake, if you ask me. [[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 18:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:The artwork is fake, in case you were wondering: [http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Diancie-410875572 Diancie], [http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Volcanion-410762745 Volcanion], and [http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Hoopa-410943259 Hoopa]. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * the [[User talk:ArcToraphim|Arc]] [[Special:Contributions/ArcToraphim|Toraph]] 18:38, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Editor%27s_Hub&diff=prev&oldid=2047544 Again, this is my response on the issue.] I still say that we should take the time to wait and see what GF will do. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 06:16, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Diancie was unveiled on CoroCoro, but I bet you Bulbapedians are going to say that even if it's not a fake, we can't say the same for the other two (and Mega Lati@s). Am I right? [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 21:18, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
:Fake is not the issue, but yes, that's exactly right. Diancie does not confirm anything else from leaks. We wait for official sources regardless of whether the leaks appear to be true. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
::I suppose that we should probably make a start on the page, shall we? --[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:40, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
:::{{u|Force Fire}} already [[User:Force Fire/Diancie (Pokémon)|has]]. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 21:52, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Ah yes. I was wondering because the link in the Bulbanews article had no text on it.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 22:48, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
::With all due respect, I think that's completely unreasonable. If fake isn't the issue, then I fail to see what could be. Even if the other two ''were'' [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DummiedOut dummied out], there's no reasonable doubt left that these guys aren't still on the game card and with all the glitch Pokémon we document that have never been officially acknowledged, shouldn't we at least put in a word about how the other two exist but aren't officially revealed yet? Look, think of this from a practical standpoint: the circumstances have changed. Diancie's been officially announced and yet most of the data out there when you Google it (as people are bound to do now) are gonna come up with Hoopa and Volcanion along with it. And when they to go look it up on Bulbapedia, they'll find info on one of the three while the other two are still not even acknowledged to exist. What, are we just gonna play dumb and not confirm or deny anything still? I know to assume good faith and all that jazz, but I think Bulbapedia's official stance on this at the moment reeks of stubbornness for no good reason. At the very least, acknowledge the controversy around the matter with an administrative announcement or something instead of keeping everything in talk pages. At least make our stance on these three visible, rather than not even telling people ''why'' the other two aren't listed unless they go looking in the right places. [[User:VinLAURiA|VinLAURiA]] ([[User talk:VinLAURiA|talk]]) 17:24, 14 February 2014 (UTC) (Note for transparency's sake: I'm an [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Inclusionism inclusionist].)
:::Unfortunately, policy is policy, and unless we have more people hacking the 3DS, we won't get pages 'til the official reveal. If you'd like to hack the 3DS to prove a point, I believe Smea did it by running homebrew and pokemon Y at the same time, allowing him to see the game's code, developed wild modifier cheat codes, making the event 'mons appear.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHBc6RtW9y0#t=24]

someone recorded the mega lati duo in action. i think they are at least worth a mention now. hoopa and volcanion's articles can wait until similar footage appears. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 16:12, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

::mega lati twins are out in the wild, although in an "Arceus/Genesect" manner rather than "nintendooo confirmdd" way. seeing as its arceus all over again, we should definetly mention the megas on their respective pages, there is nothing denying their exstince now. [[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 21:03, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Datel has released a cheating device that can be used with X and Y. I think it's pretty safe to say that once some Bulbapedians get it and use it to get the Mega Lati twins and the event pokemon, these guys will be getting pages once we get the appropriate info. --[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 21:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
::::why do we need a bulbapedian to confirm? undisputable ecidence of at least the mega latis is sitting right in front of us. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 21:54, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::Read the rest of the discussion.--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 01:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

::::::i did its just people screaming at each othrr. we have undisputable proof of at least the lati duo's megas existing and the two legends in limbo are probably are just an ar code away, so why are we still saying "durr 50/50 chance of being real" and not adding this? we did it with arceus and genesect, so why ar the mega latis different?--[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 04:54, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

(resetting indent)OK, so now that we got the addition of Mega Latios and Mega Latias on the Megas page (the other relevant pages are locked unfortunately) , I'm pretty sure that this should be settled once and for all. We have indisputable evidence that Volcanion and Hoopa exist (thank you Datel), can we please make pages for them now? --[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 22:29, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
::i'm working on a draft of Hoopa's page right now. do we know whether or not the leak regarding the event trio's signature moves is true? --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 23:06, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
:::I imagine it is, but there is only one source at the moment.----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 01:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
::::If you can't confirm something yourself, assume it's false until you can confirm it. That way there's no chance we're left with egg on our face. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::That's what I thought. We'll just have to wait 'til someone reliable gets the event 'mons then.----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 03:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::Okay, someone with a powersave has confirmed with a video that Diancie's signature move is Diamond Storm, it's a physical rock-type move, with 95 acc, 100 power and chance to boost defense, here are two videos [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8lu7R-7Tg][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLWExiyWuQQ]----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 21:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Seeing as how Diancie has been officially revealed, as have the Poké Ball and Fancy Pattern Vivillon, can we know include Hoopa and Volcanion on Bulbapedia? Fairy-type Arceus was also confirmed true and Mega Lati@s has been added to the Mega Evolutions page. I can assume AZ's Floette will be released later as well, since there's also an event for that, but this is just about Volcanion and Hoopa. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 23:55, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
:The key word being "officially revealed", which Hoopa and Volcanion haven't been. So no.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:46, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
::Neither have Mega Lati@s, which are featured quite prominently in the Mega Evolution page... --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 05:00, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Mega Lati@s was added because a staff member was able to confirm the existence of the Lati@site via a device. Because they were able to confirm the Lati@site, Mega Lati@s are on the Mega Evolution page. While I don't really like that they are on the page, a staff member confirming the existence of the mega stone is satisfactory for me.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:49, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::Well for me, satisfactory is YouTuber upon YouTuber showing video footage of them activating the Hoopa, Diancie, Volcanion and AZ's Floette events, which is exactly what's happened since around the time Diancie has been officially announced. I mean, it can't be that hard to find someone with a PowerSave and get them to activate the events in the presence of a Staff Member. This isn't 1996. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 01:28, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::I think this Hoopa and Volcanion situation is of the utmost importance. There has been multiple sources confirming without a show of a doubt the existence of both of them. I dont remember Arceus, Genosect, Meloetta, etc not being added before it was officially revealed by Nintendo. Saying that there's no way to check doesnt apply on this date. There's already documented tools to activate the event. For anyone that wants to check for themselves the tool you need is Datel Power Saves, which is available on Amazon and other online stores. [[User:Epsilonsama|Epsilonsama]] ([[User talk:Epsilonsama|talk]]) 19:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Whilst I completely understand that Volcanion and Hoopa remain unofficial, and whilst I agree that we should not pass them of as we would any other Pokémon due to the insufficient amount of data that has been able to be retrieved from the X and Y games, would it not be reasonable to have maybe a single article on both, and possibly the now-confirmed Diancie as well, stating that their names are recognised by the GTS, and that they have therefore been coded into the games in one way or another. Obviously we cannot pass off much other information about them, as there is very little of it that can truly be confirmed as official, however, a single short mention that the names of the Pokémon are coded into the games should suffice for the article. The names exist in the GTS without a doubt, in fact, that was how I first found out about them very early in the game when I went on to the GTS and saw someone requesting a Hoopa. The way I look at it, whether or not they are patched out of the game, never used/talked about again, swept under the carpet by Nintendo, or released as official Pokémon, we will eventually end up with an article about them, will we not? We currently have articles for unused prototype Pokémon such as Honōguma, Buhi, and Kurusu, and on backsprites for the early Shellos and Gastrodon from the coding of Ruby and Sapphire. Hoopa and Volcanion will essentially end up with their own pages, on a new page for patched out Pokémon, or on the page for prototype Pokémon. So, as little confirmed information on them as there is, surely it's noteworthy enough to at least acknwoledge them as sort-of-maybe-Pokémon-to-be that we know officially a little bit about, after all the GTS does recognise them as something, and if the GTS acknowledges them, then why shouldn't we? I understand that we know little about them, and the last thing I want to do is fuel a massive debate, but I think they at least deserve a little mention, no matter how ambiguous, somewhere rather than "What Pokémon? Huh? Who? Where? There's no Pokémon here!".--[[User:ShinyPatch|ShinyPatch]] ([[User talk:ShinyPatch|talk]]) 01:55, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:[[Diancie|Diancie has an article already.]] As for the second issue, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bulbapedia_talk:Editor%27s_Hub&diff=prev&oldid=2001611 you can see it has been talked about for a long, long time.] So, since this still has not been settled for everyone, I will try to sum up what we have and do not have, among other things. This debate has centered around the following Pokémon: Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion, Mega Latios, Mega Latias, two Vivillon forms, one Floette form, and one Plate Arceus. Here is how things have been sorted: Diancie has an article, Mega Latios and Mega Latias have the information on several articles, Vivillon forms have been distributed, Floette is AZ's, Arceus can be transfered to Gen VI, and nothing for Hoopa and Volcanion. So, why not create the articles? Because they have not been [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ghost_(type)&diff=prev&oldid=2141974 officially released yet]. Granted, I am paraphrasing [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] and potentially taking their words out of context. On the opposite side of this [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AEon_duo&diff=2078959&oldid=2078846 is how the Mega Latios/Latias info was given approval.] Again, I am linking to [[User:SnorlaxMonster]] has said in the past and about a different issue that may not apply. I would have recommend asking if Hoopa and Volcanion could be added to the [[List of Pokémon by index number (Generation VI)]], which is the [[Index number]] counterpart to the [[List of items by index number (Generation VI)|items]], [[List of moves|moves]], [[List of locations by index number (Generation VI)|location]], and [[Ability#List of Abilities|ability]] articles. However, the article has not currently be created at this point in time, so I do not believe I can recommend that action. Regardless of not being able to help, I hope that this somehow explains why we are not making that many references to them or their moves. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:38, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I will attempt to make the pages but ill be going on vacation soon.

[[User:AQUAAA|AQUAAA]] ([[User talk:AQUAAA|talk]]) 17:07, 17 December 2014 (UTC)AQUAAA

Oh yeah, Steam Eruption And Hyperspace hole are real moves.

[[User:AQUAAA|AQUAAA]] ([[User talk:AQUAAA|talk]]) 17:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)AQUAAA

Do anyone have Kana for their species name? --[[User:ShadowCrush|ShadowCrush]] ([[User talk:ShadowCrush|talk]]) 22:55, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

--[[User:AQUAAA|AQUAAA]] ([[User talk:AQUAAA|talk]]) 16:57, 31 January 2015 (UTC) Bulbagarden has a page on all 3, but not the signature moves.

== Editing of [[Headbutt (move)|Headbutt]] ==

Basically, I just went to add that Bibarel is confirmed to learn the move at Lv.18 (no idea about the pre-evo yet, but I trust it's also the same). It seems that I am unable to save edits to that page. Do we know what is causing this? I just edited [[Acupressure (move)|Acupressure]] without a problem a few minutes ago. Meanwhile, I tried the chat room, but it's more interested in a bot trivia game (now over 1,300 questions in!) and the other official channel is - well - dead. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 19:40, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:I tried to edit it and it didn't go through. Maybe it's the amount of templates on the page? It's the only thing that really sets apart enough from other moves for it to be the only one to be uneditable. I'll see if someone can figure it out. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 20:21, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::Well, if any of them are complete, some could perhaps be converted to generic tables and left in like that (if they get vandalized, they can easily be restored). That might help with that issue. But then, I wondered why the learnset table was so far down. Clearly trying to include Headbutt as it applies to G/S/C. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:41, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Pages with lots of code transcluded to them, such as the code used in the template, exceed the maximum amount of code able to be used on a MediaWiki page. This limit is unable to be changed. The Headbutt page seems to be just before that limit. The page can be saved, it just takes a huge amount of time and a few attempts. But, any longer, and parts of the page will seemingly go missing, starting from the bottom up. We had a similarly large page on Wikisimpsons. We ended up needing to split the page up into several pages as huge tables of information just vanished. That might have to be done here too. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 20:48, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::::If you'd like, I can take a look at it between assigning moves. I think provided the main page has the same types of data as the rest of the moves, it should be easy to move other data to a secondary page that doesn't need much editing. Also, if I cut the information off the existing one and save, I should have no problem saving less data.
::::With that said, if you'd rather do it later, understood. But it keeps me and others from adding data to it until it's done, hence why I'd like to look at it. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:53, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

(Indent reset, any replies to the above can continue there, this is a separate segment.)

I have copied from [[Headbutt (move)|Headbutt]] the data that I think can be removed from the page. What I will suggest is taking this off the page and having it linked separately on the page. This will bring the page data down to a more useable level that saving issues will hopefully be reduced. The current location of the copied data is [[User:CycloneGU/Headbutt|in my userspace]]. I'm open to working on the piece there and then moving it to the article space when it's ready for inclusion as a separate page. Or we can move it immediately and work on it already linked from the main page. What do you folks think? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:03, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:I think wait for input from admins before anything major is done to the page. Although the only way I can see the page being editable again is by splitting it up in my expert opinion (expert as I've encountered this issue before :P) ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 21:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::This is why I have already copied the data separately to my userspace. That way an admin. can move it to an appropriate title, the data removed from [[Headbutt (move)|Headbutt]], and the link made between the articles. I agree, this issue was encountered six or seven months ago by someone on that talk page, and we can't deal with this over and over. We might even need to reduce the size of some of the lists at the bottom of the page by indicating all Pokémon in the previous list are also on the following list, and just not list them; however, that is a more drastic change I won't explore at this time. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:10, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::I just had a separate afterthought as well (hence the almost immediate new edit, this is not a preview issue). The list of Pokémon learning the move by TM can be included on the second article. It only applies to the second generation (for now) and we can remove it from the main article, again to save space. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:12, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
::(Addendum) I have copied the TM information to my userspace. Again, no edits have been made to the main page yet, and I'd like to help work on a separate article regarding Headbutt and the mechanics as used in Generations II and IV in G/S/C/HG/SS (hence why it's in my userspace right now, but I'm open to it being moved to the main space if admins. approve the idea). The obvious alternative is to not be able to edit the main page or have data go missing; this at least preserves the data. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:21, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:::For the record, I think it would be more appropriate to move the lists of Pokemon that can be found via Headbutt. Learnlists should all remain together, but we do have [[Hidden Power calculation|precedent]] for moving lengthy material about how a move works to a separate page rather than keeping it on the same one. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:34, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::For the sake of full disclosure, I also [[User talk:Force Fire#Headbutt|brought this up]] with one of the admins. personally. Because Headbutt was only a TM in Generation II (replacing [[Razor Wind (move)|Razor Wind]] but since becoming [[Dragon Claw (move)|Dragon Claw]] in Gen. III, which has not changed since), and was likely made such for the specific reason of allowing players to buy the TM for repeated use teaching Pokémon the move to attack random trees, I have made the recommendation that the TM move data be placed there for that reason. I've provided additional points at the linked location.
::::The TM section alone is 11,000 bytes of data, and with the page causing problems due to being so large, any space we can get would be useful at this point. If it is deemed after staff discussion that it should stay there, I would recommend putting the data on a page by itself and transcluding the data to the page. This could technically be done on both pages, in fact, since the data specifically applies to that game where the mechanic occurs. That way, the string putting the data on one or both pages is a simple string, and the data is its own page.
::::For examples of how transclusion works, head over to Wikipedia and see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NHL_season 2013-14 NHL season], specifically under Standings. All four charts there are located on other pages and edited on those pages due to the daily updating on each compared to the article itself. This way, people editing the standings and people editing the rest of the article aren't running into constant edit conflicts. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::UPDATE: Again, for full disclosure, see [[User:CycloneGU/Headbutt]] for how I'm proposing to reclaim the space on the page. I don't know if this is ideal for the staff, but the data I am recommending to transclude in this case should never have to be edited again, so the data page can be locked and the importing line in the article commented above and below warning not to modify that line. Of course, the data page would be moved first, hence why it's still a proposal. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 06:31, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::I've split the wild Pokémon only off into [[Headbutt (move)/Wild Pokémon]], as this needed to be fixed swiftly, since it was preventing editing of the page altogether. If you think the scope of the subpage should be different, please bring that up on its talk page. I'm not even that sure we need these lists (for HGSS, since Pokémon encountered are dependent on area rather than what category of area it is), but they can't stay on the Headbutt page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:02, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::I still can't save edits to a segment of the page. I still propose, since the TM data should never be edited, doing the same thing there by moving the page in my usersdpace and linking that there. Unless it's just a case of the cache needing to be dumped, in which case it may work after that's done. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::It certainly can be edited now, because my edit moving the wild Pokémon lists off the page went through. And if the issue is being unable to save a specific section, it is unlikely to be due to the number of templates; in fact, IIRC you can still edit sections of a page that is too big to save. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:16, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::::As for keeping the TM list on the page, it has less to do with editing than it does with reading. A major reason people go to move pages is to see what can learn it (I would assume), and I don't want to split up learnlists across multiple pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:18, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Re TMs: did you see the page I created in my userspace? No, that's not the layout I propose, but I basically copied the TM data as it currently appears to a separate document, which allows the header to still be edited (I grabbed after the header up to the next header, for the next table).
:::::::::Re editing Headbutt, it FINALLY went through. so I'm satisfied with it now. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 07:20, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

== Wild Hold Items ==

I've been a member for about ten minutes and I probably have no chance of anyone seeing this... but how about a page that states the Pokemon that hold certain items in the wild including the item and the hold percentage. Possibly even moves or abilities that change the item's effect or position like unnerve or thief. I'm not sure but I think it'd be helpful. {{unsigned|8BitRevenge}}
:Actually, this is already done. On sections for items, if a wild Pokemon holds it in the wild in a game it is found in, the game section for that item lists it. The same for a Pokemon's page (under the "Held items" section), although it is only on the Pokemon's page that the percentage for that item is listed.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 03:37, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
::That list is [[List of Pokémon by wild held item|here]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:41, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

== Dream World Moves ==

This deserves attention. Dream World no longer needs its own section because, well, the Dream World is closing (at least in terms of naptime and usefulness) as of December 14. Additionally, we are updating Pokémon pages for Gen. VI now; since Dream World isn't there, we should not include it as a section.

With that taken into account, do we or do we not have a place to list moves that are learnable in an earlier generation? If so, all Dream World moves should be moved to that location. We can also update those lists to take into account moves learned via Move Tutor in prior generations, or learned via TMs that no longer exist. If a move can be learned by breeding, we don't even need to list the Dream World move; see [[Pawniard (Pokémon)|Pawniard]], whose moves [[Psycho Cut (move)|Psycho Cut]] and [[Sucker Punch (move)|Sucker Punch]] are learnable via breeding. However, in the case of [[Butterfree (Pokémon)|Butterfree]], we have [[Air Cutter (move)|Air Cutter]] and [[Roost (move)|Roost]] unlearnable via breeding since Caterpie cannot learn any moves through breeding itself, and thus those moves belong in that section on Butterfree's page (which I've started updating except for the DW section).

Thoughts? [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:05, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:They're already on the "Generation V learnset" subpages (here's {{DL|Butterfree (Pokémon)/Generation V learnset|Dream World moves|Butterfree's}}, for example). I think that's fine, isn't it? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

::That's my opinion as well. The question is whether other editors want to preserve them in some way.
::I'm actually going to remove it from Butterfree now pending opinion on this. I'm about to pull Butterfree out to level up. The only thing I can't fully check yet is the TM list, but I can start that. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:48, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

== Time travel and Time Travel ==

There are two pages with the same name differentiated by a capital letter: [[Time travel]] and [[Time Travel]]. Both have links to the other page (I added the one to Time Travel), but this is still quite confusing to have it like this. Wouldn't it make more sense to have Time Travel renamed Time Travel (e-reader application)? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 23:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:I coudn't agree more!--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 23:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== I have a question... ==

I've noticed that the facility trainers (in the Battle Frontier, Maison, Contests, etc.) have the same name/team/quotes. Since these trainers are recurring, is it important that we put them on the page for their respective locations? Just wondering. -- [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 23:33, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
:I don't think they have the same teams (at least for battle facilities; contests might). There is a pool of Pokémon that each Trainer has their Pokémon randomly selected from. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:21, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages format ==

I am pretty strongly of the opinion that most of the disambiguation pages are currently formatted badly. The numeric pages like [[046]] appear to have "good" formats, with the "disambiguated" links at the beginning; but it appears that just about all other disambiguation pages, like [[Aaron]], use a bad format, with the disambiguated links only appearing ''after'' the description.

It's hard to provide a concrete reason why this is "bad". One possible rationale is that, in many cases, an article title alone can be enough to know which article you want, and any description appearing before that link just gets in the way; by contrast, anyone who ''needs'' that description text is not at all inconvenienced if it appears after the link. Another possible rationale is simply that, without the disambiguated article title at the beginning, I simply have nothing concrete to link the description with initially, so it's just a little abstract...

It may be worth noting that Wikipedia's manual of style for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Disambiguation_pages#Individual_entries disambiguation pages] specifies that the (relevant) link should come first.

Mostly, though, I just ''know'' that, for example, the Metronome disambiguation page works better like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Metronome&oldid=2032134 this] than like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Metronome&oldid=2032138 this]. It always irritates me seeing the latter and having to navigate it...

Do others agree that the "disambiguated" links should be written first? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:29, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
:Agreed, and it is an involved project, but would improve Bulbapedia's consistency and navigation. - [[User:Poikins|'''poi''']][[User talk:Poikins|'''kins''']] 21:55, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

== Retrieving Information Question ==

While I was looking around on the site for something to improve, I discovered that Bulbapedia doesn't have a page for Style in Lumiose City. I would like to make this page, and I found another page on Serebii that seems to help. However, I don't want to just copy information. How should I handle this? [http://www.serebii.net/xy/lumiosestyle.shtml Here's the page]
Also, should I just add this information to the page [[Lumiose City]] instead, once I get the information?
[[User:Lnwz|Lnwz]] ([[User talk:Lnwz|talk]]) 00:44, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

== Proof requirement for hatch times? ==

Hello my friends!
Noah speaking, I was planning on doing some research into the hatch times of certain unconfirmed Pokemon. What form of proof would you require? I could film it and add a footnote, or would you prefer multiple tests/people working on the same egg?

[[User:Polishpeo12|Polishpeo12]] ([[User talk:Polishpeo12|talk]]) 18:54, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
:Unless there is some reason to doubt a hatch time you write down, then I don't think you need a source. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 23:16, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

== Skrelp ==
Hello. In Skrelp's page, I realized that in the trivia section, it says that Skrelp was the only Poison type introduced in the 6th generation. I think that's untrue. Wouldn't Mega Venusaur and Mega Gengar count as new Poison-type Pokémon? ([[User:Hoogachakka|Hoogachakka]] ([[User talk:Hoogachakka|talk]]) 02:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC))
:No, they wouldn't. Mega Evolutions are not new species.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:29, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

== Overworld Sprites ==

Hello! I noticed a problem with the top of a Kalos Pokémon page, where it says which Pokémon comes previously and next in the National Dex. It doesn't have the sprites of the Pokémon. I can easily retrieve the pictures, so how do I edit those?
{{unsigned|Hoogachakka}}
:You upload images through the Bulbagarden Archives, though you'll want to contact an administrator because no one has been able to provide the sprites without stealing them or get permission from other sites. [[User:Glik|Glik]] ([[User talk:Glik|talk]]) 02:17, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
:I was going to take a picture of the sprite in the game, then upload it to my computer, then photoshop it to be just the sprite. That way, it's my photo. ([[User:Hoogachakka|Hoogachakka]] ([[User talk:Hoogachakka|talk]]) 02:37, 28 December 2013 (UTC))
::You mean, take a photo with a camera? That's going to produce a very low-quality image. We need pixel-for-pixel faithfulness to the games, so a capture card is the only option. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:49, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
:::There are a few images on the archives that are recreated images without taking it directly from the games, but I do not believe that the practice is recommended. I would contact an administrator on the archives if this would be acceptable. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 04:03, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

== Regarding APNG images ==

In using Bulbapedia as a reference for various Moves, I noticed you employ the APNG format, however many of the animations are unnecessarily large. I've personally spent quite a bit of time building and deconstructing APNGs in order to understand the format. I thought I'd start my contributions by providing and animated version of [[a:File:Reflect_III.png|Reflect]]. Before I upload it though, I'd like to confirm my suspicion that the existing animations are intentionally split with the first frame being midway through the loop so that APNG unaware browsers will still display a useful illustration of the move. --[[User:GARY-DOS|GARY-DOS]] ([[User talk:GARY-DOS|talk]]) 06:21, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
:Yes, it is intentional to have the unanimated frame be still a useful image. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:05, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

== Version Exclusive Trainers ==

I apologize if this is not the correct area to talk about this. The character box for trainers is made up of several templates, which means there is not a core talk page for this to go to. After the debacle of exploring Mt. Mortar in Gold (gen II) with every possible resource online and through game play, I have come to the realization, unless I still have not explored well enough, that three out of the four trainers are more than likely version exclusive to Crystal version. That being said, there is not an area in the trainer box to show if certain trainers are version exclusive. Due to this, articles with trainer boxes which do not state the specifics of certain version exclusive trainers are misleading, which should be fixed. That being said, I do not know exactly how many trainers are version exclusive, and I am aware that determining that would take a lot of time. One may say that due to it costing a lot of time to calculate the above, as well as it being so specific, that it doesn't matter. I wish to know the opinions of others to see if this is necessary...not just for my sake, but for any other viewer using Bulbapedia for information about locations and the trainers within them. [[User:Qj|Qj]] ([[User talk:Qj|talk]]) 02:30, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
:(Now that you mention it, I'm pretty sure I remember my old VersusBooks guide from my childhood mentioning that the Trainers were new to Crystal. So I'm pretty sure you're right.) I wouldn't think it's necessary to change the templates. I think we should just be able to use separate section headers (i.e., it's "Generation II" now, so we could add a subheader under it for "Crystal only"). As for the time necessary, that may be an obstacle, but no logistical obstacle should be considered large enough to make us not even ''try'' to compile correct information. If we try and fail, sure, and the topic will almost certainly attract very little attention, but giving up before the start seems defeatist. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:17, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
::Just so you know, a good amount of pages already have version exclusives separated (for example: {{rt|115|Hoenn}} has the trainers separated between Ruby and Sapphire (where all the trainers are pretty much the same) and Emerald, with trainers who have differences being marked off. It's the same with Generation IV Routes like ({{rt|212|Sinnoh}})). If any Routes aren't marked with version exclusive trainers it was either done by someone with one game assuming they all have the same trainers, or don't have version exclusives. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 05:46, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Thank you for the clarification on the issue. I would have seen the separation, but the articles I visited had none of the separation you talked about above. I hope that editors willing to make edits to trainer boxes in the future will first make sure their information spans through all games of the generation in question, as to prevent future misunderstandings for all future viewers. (StrategyWiki, in general, is not as accurate compared to this site due to the large community.) [[User:Qj|Qj]] ([[User talk:Qj|talk]]) 06:31, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

==Mega Eon Duo are now Available to the Public through Cheat Codes==
A hacking company has released cheat codes to get the Mega Eon Duo, and the Internet is now roaming with players using these Mega Evolutions. Does this mean it's now okay to acknowledge the existence of the Mega Eon Duo and add them to the pages around Bulbapedia? [[User:Nintendocan|Nintendocan]] ([[User talk:Nintendocan|talk]]) 03:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
:were not allowed to aknowledge them until Nintendo actually reveals them apparently. --[[User talk:Relicant|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Relicant|Truth]] aka Relicant 03:43, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
::It's more along the lines of "We don't like using stuff that we didn't find ourselves if Nintendo hasn't revealed it". We'll get pages once Bulbapedia contributors get the cheating device required to obtain them--[[User:BigBadBatter|BigBadBatter]] ([[User talk:BigBadBatter|talk]]) 06:04, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
:::We currently do mention them: check the [[Mega Stone]], [[Mega Evolution]], [[Latios (Pokémon)]], [[Latias (Pokémon)]], etc. pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:04, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Yeah, that comment was made a while before that round of edits.----[[User:BigBadBatter|Big]][[User talk:BigBadBatter|Bad]][[User:BigBadBatter|Batter]] 22:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::Shouldn't we have an image of them?--<sc>✓[[User:PikaTepig999|Pika]][[User talk:PikaTepig999|Tepig]][[Special:Contributions/Pikatepig999|999]]✓</sc> 09:58, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

== Blaziken Mask/Meyer ==

All right, so the episode that reveals the fact that these are the same character just so happened to air this morning. There is no more spoiler for North America, only for those who haven't seen the episode. As I don't believe it's natural to try to prevent spoilers five years down the line (hey, I only started watching the anime a couple of years or so ago), I think it's time that the two pages be merged. This has been brought up at {{red link|Talk:Blaziken Mask|Blaziken Mask's talk page}} and eventually [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABlaziken_Mask&diff=2035685&oldid=2031839 confirmed] by [[User:Blazingfist|Blazingfist]] there, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Blaziken_Mask&diff=next&oldid=2035685 another opinion given for a merge], and even [[Talk:Meyer|Meyer's talk page]] was [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Meyer&oldid=2075735 created] with a note that it should be the new home of the [[Blaziken Mask]] information.

I first commented on [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMeyer&diff=2090589&oldid=2089765 March 17] (actually evening of March 16 for me) also noting we need to make the move within a week. No response followed until [[User:Mkbw50|Mkbw50]] suggested [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMeyer&diff=2092108&oldid=2090589 continuing use of spoiler tags] on the merged page; I disagree with this myself since it's known they are the same character now. Blazingfist and myself have since [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AMeyer&diff=2092827&oldid=2092108 commented further], but I decided it was time to bring more visibility to this and get more editor opinion on this.

So...it's time to merge [[Meyer]] and [[Blaziken Mask]]. They are the same character; continuing to keep the pages separated implies they are different people, which would not be prudent for us to do. Let's discuss a merge. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 15:25, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

== Event-exclusive moves ==

Is there a list or category of them? If so, can someone direct me to it? If not, should it be created? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 02:14, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
:I don't think one exists. A category sounds like a good idea. As far as I know, the event-exclusive moves we currently have pages for are {{m|V-create}}, {{m|Hold Back}}, {{m|Celebrate}} and {{m|Happy Hour}}. Plus, some of the moves we know exist but don't know how to get in-game might be event-exclusive. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:56, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

== Prior to Generation (#) ==

Just notice that in Pokedex entries, "This Pokemon is unavailable prior to Generation (#)" is written. But as for sprites, all the genrations are listed, and then, "This Pokemon did not appear in Gen (#)" is written. Can't we just write "This Pokemon did not appear prior to Gen (#)"? [[User:TrainerTantei|TrainerTantei]] ([[User talk:TrainerTantei|talk]]) 07:52, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
:I agree! [[User:Player3.25|By player 3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 19:21, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

== Adding information to the anime episodes ==
I'm slightly new to Bulbapedia, and would like to contribute to the episode guide and the pages containing the episode information of the XY series by adding some broadcasting information, but the thing is I don't know how to add that info and would like to know. [[User:Jamie64326|Jamie64326]] ([[User talk:Jamie64326|talk]]) 13:50, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

== Vertical line thing ==

I can't figure out how to get the following line thing: | (I had to copy and paste that). Does anyone know how? [[User:Player3.25|Player3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 20:21, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
:On standard American keyboards, it's the key above '''Enter''' ('''Return''') on the same key as the '''Backslash''' ( '''\''' ), but typed by holding '''Shift'''. On other keyboards I do not know the answer. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 21:06, 6/21/2014 (UTC)

That's OK, but I'm from Ireland. [[User:Player3.25|Player3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 07:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
:Look for the key with "|\" on. Shift click that. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 07:49, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Which row is it in? I can't find that key anywhere on the keyboard. [[User:Player3.25|By Player3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 16:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

:Apparently it should be [http://www.chrismary.com/languagekeyboard/layouts/irish_keyboard.jpg next to the Z], but there's a note here saying it's not on all keyboards. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 16:19, 6/22/2014 (UTC)

Oh. It's on my keyboard, but on the actual key, it shows 2 short vertical lines with a gap between them, but when I typed it, this came up: | Thanks! [[User:Player3.25|By Player3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 18:05, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

== How do I know when I can create pages? ==

I know you can create pages when you have edited enough articles, but how do I know when I've done that? Does it alert me or something? [[User:Player3.25|The person]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 18:41, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
:No alert, you can just be able to create your user page. --[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 21:22, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

== How do you replace images? ==

Does anybody know how to replace the images in the boxes with captons on pages? [[User:Player3.25|By player 3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 16:53, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
:We have [[:a:Main Page|separate server]] for files. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 16:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
??? [[User:Player3.25|By player 3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 18:00, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
:You need to go there and upload new pictures in order to replace them here. Also, please make sure to use colons (<nowiki>:</nowiki>) when responding to posts in order to indent your message. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 18:12, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

== How do you create info boxes? ==

How do you create information boxes? [[User:Player3.25|By player 3.25]] ([[User talk:Player3.25|talk]]) 19:18, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

== Type percentages ==

I noticed that the percentages on the type pages are wrong, so I made [[User:TheSilentHero/Type Count|this]] page with the correct numbers. Would it be all right to change this in the type pages? [[User:TheSilentHero|TheSilentHero]] ([[User talk:TheSilentHero|talk]]) 09:37, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

==Demographics==
I'm getting the feeling that some of the populations are incorrect. For one, Safari Zone Gate seems to be way lower than it should be, and the attendants in the Pokemon Centre dont seem to be counted at all. Yet, The Talk Page of both Black City and White Forest has someone saying they should be. A lot of people seem to be unclear on this scince Ive seen comments of people on other Talk pages not being sure. I'm just gonna go ahead with (slowly but surely) recounting Johto, Kanto and possibly Sinnoh's cities and towns, including Pokemon Centre's Marts, and Gates. I'm ignoring Hoenn because that will change in OR/AS anyways and ignoring Unova because I dont know what Castelia City/Nimbasa City people were counted and which werent. And I dont have X/Y yet so cant count Kalos. Also, the older regions have been here a while, so checking stuff for them might have slowed down too. If anyone wants to help, or comment on this, then go on ahead. Just posting this here since I think a heads up would be necessary. [[User:Smear-Gel|Smear-Gel]] ([[User talk:Smear-Gel|talk]]) 22:13, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

== Hoopa page ==

First thing's first: Will we use my [[User:Phiraptor28/Hoopa_(Pokémon)|Hoopa page]] as the official page? *not bragging*
Secondly: And if we're gonna use the page, we have two options: 1. Wait for Hoopa's Forme Differences to be released before using the page; and 2. Edit the Hoopa page to hide the info about Hoopa Unbound. Thanks for reading! Sorry, I sometimes get a little too excited. '''Too excited''' :) [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 13:55, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

== Hatching Undiscovered Eggs ==

How come the Pokémon in the Undiscovered Egg Group have egg cycles listed? Surely this is pointless information, right? ''' ''Scribbl'' ''' 13:08, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:It's just game data, so while it may not actually be used, it is still there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

==Let's Hold Hands==
Hi! Can a staff member remove Let's Hold Hands (a Korean ending theme) from the wanted pages list? I've made the page but under a slightly different translated name :)--[[User:Wowy|'''Wowy''']][[User talk:Wowy|'''(Talk)''']] 06:30, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

== Wonder mail ==

I would put wonder mail codes in items and pokemon for [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] but I do not know how to put down the codes. How would I do this? [[User:Musicjax|Musicjax]] ([[User talk:Musicjax|talk]]) 00:27, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
:The only Wonder Mail codes that are appropriate for Bulbapedia are those that are required to unlock otherwise unaccessible content, such as Wonder Mail-exclusive events and version-exclusive Pokémon. The appropriate articles for such Wonder Mail codes should already contain a code that will unlock the content ([[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team#Wonder Mail codes|Example]]). - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 02:38, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

== Use of files from built-in screenshot functions ==

I wish to add to the pages pertaining to locations in Pokémon Rumble World. Is it appropriate to use images taken with Rumble World's "Take Photos" feature, or should I leave it to someone with a capture card? [[User:Spongeabc5|Spongeabc5]] ([[User talk:Spongeabc5|talk]]) 01:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
:I don't play Pokémon rumble world (my charger broke for my 3ds) but, if the take photos feature takes screenshots then this would probably be ok. [[User:Musicjax|Musicjax]] 23:13, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
::If you are taking shots in-stage and posting, say, the entire top image as an example of gameplay in a stage, that is perfectly fine. The concern is for certain types of images; I'm trying to milk decent images out of the lower-screen JPGs that would, as JPGs, not be sufficient quality (I do re-save them as PNG), but in-game screens are perfectly viable and are even [[Gold Plateau|already in use]]. Ideally, it'd be nice to have at least one generic shot and one boss battle - maybe including a legendary periodically, but not always - in each area. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:26, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

== Time Space Axis M12 ==

I have one ready in my [[User:Upratik 12/Time-Space Axis (M12)|user space]] ready, if it's enough i would like it to move it to the mainspace --[[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 20:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

== Filter Problem ==

I'm having an issue where, on a lot of pages, pressing the move-sorting filter will arrange the moves in an order for a different category. Instead of categorising moves by Type after pressing the arrow next to the "Type" heading, for example, the moves will be sorted in order of highest to lowest Accuracy. On the pages where this happens, it always categorises moves according to the fourth filter to the right. Pressing "Category" should order moves depending on whether they're physical, special, or status, but instead it goes in PP order. The "Power" filter sorts moves into an order depending on their Contest category, the "Accuracy" filter orders them by their Contest Appeal, and the "PP" filter orders them by their Contest Jamming level. This could just be my computer spazzing out, but it happens for me on a lot of pages. Is this a site bug? ''' ''Scribbl'' ''' 09:40, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:This [[Talk:Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#Correction|has been noticed]]. In short, the problem is that most of the tables do actually work, but if the tutor table is on the same page as anything else, somehow it seems to screw up the sorting of the other tables. It's not an easy thing to troubleshoot. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:31, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

== Regarding the new Manaphy event ==

I tried to translate part of the site with the Water Tribe Manaphy, and got this. Some of it may be wrong.
Is this useful at all?

Ribbon: 위시리본 (Wish Ribbon).
Ball: 프레셔스볼 (Precious Ball).
Fathers (possibly OT): 물의일족 (Water Clan).
Item: 없음 (None.)
{{unsigned|Keeby358}}
:We already have this information listed here: {{DL|List of Korean region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Water Tribe Manaphy}}. Thanks for the help though. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

== Hoopa page ==

Hoopa's page is protected and hence I cannot make this change to the article. The change is that on the page it is written that the prison bottle has not been officialy revealed, which is wrong. Also it is written that Hoopa Unbound is also not officially revealed. {{unsigned|PokemonCool|21:54, 13 July 2015}}
:You should bring it up on the {{talk|relevant talk page|Hoopa (Pokémon)}}. Also, sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. -''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 16:31, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

== How do i translate an entire page? ==

hey, im pretty new here, and i want to know,
how do i translate an entire page?
i really want to do this, and i will be more than happy if someone will answer me.
have a good day :) {{unsigned|Nunutrxh}}
:Our [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis]] partners have pages about topics written by native speakers of that language; they have pages in German, French, Italian, Japanese, Polish, and Chinese. If you need a Bulbapedia page translated into another language, then you'll have to use Google Translate or another online translation service. Also, in the future, please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 00:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
::pherhaps you missed understood me, i dont want a to see a translated page, i want to translate it by myself. is thtat an option? sorry if the way i wrote it sounds rude, i dont know how to write proper english letters and such <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. 11:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC) {{unsigned|Nunutrxh}}
:::Yeah, you've got to remove the nowiki tags for your signature to work correctly. Just use the four ~. As for your question, you may translate it depending on what you want to do with the translated stuff. -''[[User:Sher-e-Bengal|Sher]]-e-[[User_talk:Sher-e-Bengal|Bengal]]''- 11:57, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
::::If you click the "edit" button at the top of a page, you can see the source code of a page. You can translate that text into whichever language you like. If you plan on rehosting it somewhere else, as a derivative work, it is subject to the CC BY-NC-SA 2.5 license, which requires you to [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ follow the license terms]. If you're interested in translating pages into your language for Bulbapedia itself, I unfortunately don't believe that we are in need of that content at the moment. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 12:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

== Contest conditions ==

I need to add Oras moves and effects for contest spectaculars. However, for the addition, the chart needs a new column. How do you add one? I am a new user. Please help. Sincerely, Tripplekittys. {{unsigned|Tripplekittys}}
:I'm sorry to tell you this, but right now you can't add new info to that template. There's a draft for a new one [[User:Kogoro/Movelist/contest|over here]], but I don't know when it will be moved to the mainspace, maybe when we get remakes of ''Pokémon Diamond'' and ''Pearl'' so the shitload of moves in need of Contest data will be even bigger and the chart even messier. On another note, please sign your posts with four tildes (~) in the future. Thank you! --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 00:31, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::Hello, I had just made an account to help complete the Contest condition move tables. Looking at this discussion makes this seem unlikely to happen, but I figured I would ask to see if there has been any progress since the original post? And if not, is there anyway that I can get a hold of that linked template and attempt to work on overhauling the whole section? Thank you in advance for the help. [[User:LiteRed|liteRed]] ([[User talk:LiteRed|talk]]) 04:48, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

== Linking to items with their own articles on "List of items" pages. ==

On the various "List of items" pages, is there a way to properly link to the articles of items that have their own articles?

'''Example''': In the entry for [[Destiny Knot]], the section has the small words "Red Thread", which in turn has a link to a Wikipedia page about the "Red String of Fate". If "Destiny Knot" had its own Bulbapedia article, would there be a way to make the bold-faced words "Destiny Knot" point to such an article? It appears that I am having link/template difficulties.. Thanks in advance for the help. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 04:04, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

== what can I do in there? ==

Hey guys i'm a user in this wiki.but i don't know what can i do in there,before BLUBAPEDIA wiki i have worked at 52poke wiki,so what should i do?Although my English is bad but please tell me what can i do,thankyou.--[[User:52poke yellow|'''₥Yellow''']] '''¤from52poke〆''' [[User talk:52poke yellow|'''don't''''''fight''']] 13:40, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

== Change "Start" and "--" for level up move levels ==

We should change all occurrences of "Start" in Pokemon level up tables (like [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)#By leveling up]]) and "--" in move level up tables (like [[Tackle (move)#By leveling up]]) to "1". Certainly for Generations IV+ at least; maybe for Generations I-III as well.

;WHY<nowiki>:</nowiki>

I bred myself a {{p|Pumpkaboo}} (so, it knew its three "Start" moves) and then traded it to myself through the GTS at level 1 and it evolved into {{p|Gourgeist}}. And after it evolved, it learned {{m|Explosion}} and then was asked to learn {{m|Phantom Force}}. Again: ''at level 1''.

Gourgeist's [[Gourgeist (Pokémon)#By leveling up|level up table]] says "Start" for Explosion and Phantom Force (and etc). (Likewise, in Explosion's [[Explosion (move)#By leveling up|level up table]], Gourgeist's row says "--, 75".) But if I can learn those moves at level 1, that field should ''say'' "1". If I can learn it at level 1, there's no good reason to say "Start" or "--" instead. If it ''doesn't'' say "1", that implies I ''can't'' learn it at level 1.

I also tested this same thing with a bred level 1 {{p|Slowpoke}} in Gen IV. I traded one each to Pearl and Platinum holding King's Rocks, and after they evolved, they learned {{m|Power Gem}} ([[Slowking (Pokémon)/Generation IV learnset|only in Platinum]]) and {{m|Hidden Power}}. So: again, these moves are plainly at level "1"; not "Start".

This isn't possible to test directly in Generations I-III, since none of those games [[Experience#Experience underflow glitch|have wild Pokemon at lv 1]] (and bred Pokemon start at level 5 instead of 1). I may (''maybe'') try to use some cheat codes/ROM editing to test the behavior, though.

;USE "1"

So. As I said at the start, we should change all "Start" and "--" to "1" for at least Generations IV-VI. I suppose it's kind of a moot point whether we also do that for Generations I-III since, as I also said, there's no natural way to evolve any Pokemon at level 1 in those games. But, if the game does treat those "Start" moves as learnable at level 1, then I tend to think we should use accurate terminology...

Of course, this is a big project. I'm sure staff want to at least approve it first. I don't know, maybe staff would even want to do it entirely by themselves. But, as much change as it may require, this is '''''absolutely''''' something that needs to be done. We cannot call "Start" and "--" 'good enough'. They are inaccurate, misleading; they're not even ''necessary'' if "1" is true. And it is. This needs to be changed.

[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:38, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

: (WHY) Alright, this might be a bit of rambling, but this is what I have. While still being part speculation at this time, I believe the original intent was possibly to the term "Starting Moves" being shortened to the word "Start." The [[Move Reminder]] article mentions that one of the reason for wanting to learn a move with the Move Reminder is if "the species (has) more than four starting moves" and that Healing Wish is "one of Lopunny's starting moves." It seems that a move that can be learned at Level 1 is considered a "Start Move," whether it is an unofficial term, an official term, or a fan term. More evidence for this can be found with [[User:Mazion]] who [[Special:Contributions/Mazion|use the wording "starter move" several times]] and an issue involving [[Seaking_(Pokémon)#Trivia|Seaking "learning" Supersonic twice in Gen II]]. Additionally, [[Talk:Generation_IV_hybrid#.22Start.22_and_.22Level_1.22_moves...|the talk page for the Generation IV hybrids shows a conversation that associates "Start" with Level 1]]. Oddly, moves themselves never use the term "Start" and instead use "--" like on [[Reflect Type (move)]].
: (USE 1) I will note that since at least sometime around Generation IV, the template started to use the following note: 'A level of "Start" indicates a move that will be known by a Bulbasaur obtained at level 1 in Generation VI.' The reasoning behind having the note is speculation at this time, though it might have to do with attempting to explain what "Start" means. More, I would like to if the rambling I made earlier is the reasoning behind just not using Level 1. Either way, I am currently content with consistency in all pages.
: (I will note that Tiddlywinks and myself [[User talk:Super goku#Slowking Gen IV|had a small discussion on my talk page]] that highlights a few points as well. Basically on what [[Prima Games]] and Nintendo used in their Strategy guides and {{bp|Project Pokédex}}.)
:--[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:48, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
::The discussion about the Gen IV hybrids seems much too specialized to be relevant (apparently they ''"level up to Level 1 twice"'').
::As far as the note that appeared around Gen IV, it's far from perfect in a couple ways. For one, the wording "obtained" doesn't entirely sound like it would apply to a Pokemon that evolved (like by trade or evo stone). And then, that note is just so very easy to miss or else forget. And at the same time: there's still just no need—at all—to use "Start" if "1" is true (in the process of leveling up/evolving at least). If "1" is true, "Start" is not in any way better than "1". [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:21, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:::According to {{u|Kogoro}}, changing "Start" and "--" to "1" has previously been approved due to being listed as level 1 in ''[[Pokémon X & Pokémon Y: The Official Kalos Region Guidebook]]''. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 04:31, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Meaning: this is something it's okay for average users to start fixing anywhere it's currently "Start" or "--"? (Not: staff have been intending to get to it, or something.)
::::Also: on any page, even all the way back to Gen I? (I still don't know how Gen I-III act.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:38, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::I am going to be a bit bold and suggest that Gen III should follow due to the FRLG Strategy guide. Otherwise, I would just suggest consistency with all Learnsets. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 05:19, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Bump.
::::::(I don't mean this to sound like some sort of "threat", but:) I suppose if there's no answer, I can just go ahead and try editing a number of pages and just see like that if staff minds. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:11, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Kogoro has given approval to change "--" or "Start" to "1". --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:22, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Based on The Official Kalos Guidebook mentioned above. Tiddlywinks wants staff approval that any user can make the changes and that it goes back to Generation I learnsets as well. Personally, I would like some clarification as well. (Especially since we do sometimes based specific styles on specific Generations.) --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 03:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Guys. Kogoro said yes. Meaning yes, you may change "Start" or "--" to "1" on '''all''' learnsets, regardless of generation. We want to be consistent here, so all of them should have "1".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:48, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

== CAPTCHA won't display ==

I'm a new user and I was able to sign up only because of the mobile view option since the desktop view wouldn't display the CAPTCHA. Now that I'm signed up, I can't edit pages with links because doing so requires a CAPTCHA and it still doesn't display. I'm using Chrome. [[User:AmoralCreed|AmoralCreed]] ([[User talk:AmoralCreed|talk]]) 04:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
: I'm also a new user, and I had a similar problem. Then Captcha showed up at the bottom of the "sign in" page and wouldn't accept my entries until (3-4 tries later), it finally displayed in the correct spot. (Also using Chrome, because it tends to run Bulbapedia with fewer hiccups than my IE 11.) [[User:Cybertronian|Cybertronian]] ([[User talk:Cybertronian|talk]]) 04:29, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
:: I had the same problem while signing up, so this is still an issue. However, in my case it might have been due to my NoScript plugin. [[User:Sandrew26|Sandrew26]] ([[User talk:Sandrew26|talk]]) 14:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:: After trying to add external links to a page, the captcha requirement appeared again. Once again, it first appeared at the very bottom of the page, and entering the correct numbers had no effect. The page refreshed and again asked for a captcha, but this time the box was in what I assume was the correct location near the top of the page, and this time entering the numbers worked. I don't have any scripts blocked (noscript shows only bulbagarden.net), and ghostery isn't blocking it, either. I'd upload a picture to show you, but bulbapedia won't let me? I'm on firefox 46.0.01 --[[User:Sandrew26|Sandrew26]] ([[User talk:Sandrew26|talk]]) 13:54, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

== What is the process for updating Game Sprite PNGs/images? ==

I've been using Bulbapedia to help me out as I play with the 3rd Generation Pokémon games (in my case: Sapphire, LeafGreen, FireRed, and Emerald). Recently, I decided to save some of the game sprites and I noticed that the R/S sprites for Jynx weren't consistent with one another. (R/S Normal Jynx had miscolored sprites and noticeable blank spots, mostly in the hands, compared the R/S Shiny Jynx.) Using Paint Shop Pro 9.01, I touched up the sprite, and kept the new image limited to the 15 (plus 1 transparent) colors used on the original image. This way, if someone were to ''manually'' change the palette colors to those of Shiny Jynx (after saving the PNG to their own computer, of course), they would now look indistinguishable. I then joined Bulbapedia so that I could submit my update for review.
That being said, what is the process for submitting a ''new'' image to be reviewed for possible replacement of an ''earlier'' submitted image? [[User:Cybertronian|Cybertronian]] ([[User talk:Cybertronian|talk]]) 04:45, 18 February 2016 (UTC).

== Gen1 sprite order on species pages ==

Is there any particular reason that the Gen1 species pages show the JBlue/Red/Blue sprites first, then Yellow, then Red/Green? Sprites from all other generations are listed by release order, with the "Red" of each pair when they don't use the same sprites. To keep things consistent, (and to easier display how they were changed over time), shouldn't they be ordered as Red/Green, JBlue/Red/Blue, Yellow? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 01:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
:We're an English wiki. English content is our primary concern. That said, Japanese content may be significant as well, which would be why we do include the different R/G sprites; but it's firmly a secondary concern compared to the releases that most English-speakers will actually know.
:And it's not really relevant that everything else is listed in release order, when everything else didn't have the same divergence between what was released in Japanese and what was released in English. That inherently breaks down any such comparison. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:35, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
:As Tiddlywinks said, English content has priority. I don't think it'd hurt if the order were changed to place RG first though. Also, if I may, Red and Blue, from an official standpoint, are nothing more than the Western releases of the Japanese Red, Green, and Blue (Blue provides the engine, Red and Green the version-exclusive content). We really don't need the game articles split into RGB and RB as this distinction is more of a habit than anything else, not to mention that the relevant changes can be explained in detail on their respective articles (e.g.: [[in-game trade]]). But this is just my 2¢ and that's a topic for another date, I guess. [[User:SatoMew2|SatoMew2]] ([[User talk:SatoMew2|talk]]) 01:58, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

== Question about updating images. ==

I've noticed many move pages missing Gen VI images, my question is how you take a picture of your Gen VI game as though it was a computer screenshot?
[[User:Sporedragon|Sporedragon]] ([[User talk:Sporedragon|talk]]) 01:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:Through miiverse --[[User:Pyritie|Pyritie]] ([[User talk:Pyritie|talk]]) 10:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
::It is not possible to upload screenshots of the Generation VI games through Miiverse, presumably due to having cases where the 3DS camera is used (Holocaster is one example). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:01, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

== Grammar error ==

On the Editor's Hub page it says "The follow articles don't meet our standards:", when it should be "following". I didn't see a way to edit it, so I'm leaving a note. [[User:Sandrew26|Sandrew26]] ([[User talk:Sandrew26|talk]]) 14:26, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

== Official Sun and Moon Release Dates ==

I am happy to inform you that Nintendo, through a 3DS notification, has set the official release dates for Sun and Moon as Nov. 18. I request that this be put on the main page ASAP [[User:Destructodon|Destructodon]] ([[User talk:Destructodon|talk]]) 01:38, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
:We've already had that information on the Sun and Moon page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Sun_and_Moon&diff=2439847&oldid=2437102 for more than a month]. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

== Move breeding table width ==

Is it possible to increase the width of the tables in the "by breeding" section on moves? Everything's so squished that it looks silly and it's very difficult to navigate. Look at [[Leech Seed]] for an example -- the minisprites should be on more than one or two columns per generation. --[[User:Pyritie|Pyritie]] ([[User talk:Pyritie|talk]]) 11:02, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

== Accidentally signed a talk page too many times ==

I somehow signed the bottom of this section http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Tapu_Koko_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Name_origin and I can't remove the extra signature because of a "vandal filter 3" error... On a side note, how are people supposed to make edits to something they said on the talk pages if they have to sign their edits literally every time? I swear why do all the wikis I visit always have questionable policies? [[User:Mattwo|Mattwo]] ([[User talk:Mattwo|talk]]) 23:06, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:I've removed the extra signature. As for your other note, you sign every comment you make so other users know who wrote the comment. That should be common sense.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:37, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
::And what about when you're just fixing a typo or something? I shouldn't be forced to place a signature that already exists... [[User:Mattwo|Mattwo]] ([[User talk:Mattwo|talk]]) 07:42, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:::You shouldn't be fixing typos or grammatical errors. You can't edit your message once you've sent it, that's what the preview button is for.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:25, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
::::So you're basically just expecting everyone to '''''always''''' catch all their mistakes right off the bat? Gotta say, that is an unreasonably high expectation. [[User:Mattwo|Mattwo]] ([[User talk:Mattwo|talk]]) 17:12, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Not necessarily. If you spot an error once you've sent the message, you just can't edit it. If you wanted to make sure there were no errors in your message, you should use the preview button. If not, then save away and leave it be. Also, stop altering your comments and you don;t need to sign every time you alter your comments. Only when you make new comments.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:34, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

== Page Request ==

Please set this page's text to what I said in its talk page: {{redlink|After-Cap effect}} {{unsigned|Theawesomer}}

== Page Request (correction) ==

Please set text for this page to my comment in its talk page: {{redlink|After-Cap Effect}}

I made it

--[[User:Theawesomer|Theawesomer]] ([[User talk:Theawesomer|talk]]) 10:01, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
:Minor glitches like that don't get their own articles, they go on the list of glitches in their generation. And I believe it's already on [[List of glitches in Generation I#Inded #000 post-capture|there]]. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 14:07, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

== Is copying and pasting from other sites allowed? ==

I want to write down the plot of chapter 1 of Pocket monsters B2 W2 ~ A new legend manga. Dogasu's backpack already has the plot. I am not sure if I am allowed to copy and past the information on Dogasu's backpack on to the page or if it is considered plagiarism. I am reffering to this page: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/ANL1 [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 17:11, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
:Absolutely not. Please read [[Bulbapedia:FAQ#Can I copy/steal stuff from other sites?|this]]. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 17:18, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

== Find-and-Replace Bot ==

Do we have a bot that can do a find-and-replace for a certain phrase? [[User:Hydroxybutyric|Hydroxybutyric]] ([[User talk:Hydroxybutyric|talk]]) 21:03, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
::Hello...? [[User:Hydroxybutyric|Hydroxybutyric]] ([[User talk:Hydroxybutyric|talk]]) 21:22, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:::♫♪♫ Is it {{u|BulbaBot}} you're looking for? ♫♪♫ (...or rather a related thread thread on [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?forums/bulbawiki-forum.195/ the forums]?) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:23, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
::::The user who takes requests for BulbaBot seems to have locked their page, though. [[User:Hydroxybutyric|Hydroxybutyric]] ([[User talk:Hydroxybutyric|talk]]) 14:56, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::BulbaBot's talk page has been locked because it is not a human, so nobody checks its talk page. The staff sometimes use BulbaBot for mass replacement tasks (or their own accounts), but there is no publicly accessible text replacement tool. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:17, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== Research template ==

I need help, how to write the research needed template [[User:Mrkubatt 98|Mrkubatt 98]] ([[User talk:Mrkubatt 98|talk]]) 21:14, 1 December 2016 (UTC)Mrkubatt_98
:You can tag pages with <code><nowiki>{{incomplete|needs=REASON GOES HERE}}</nowiki></code>. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:15, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== [tcg] Difference between "Miscellaneous_Promotional_cards_(tcg)" and the "Additional Cards" Section in sets ==

I was going through the older sets aka [[EX_Hidden_Legends_(TCG)]], and noticed that these sets did not have an additional cards section for cards; like the non holo national championship cards. So I then looked at the [[Miscellaneous_Promotional_cards_(TCG)]] and found them there. I also found some of the newer cards like the build a bear workshop pikachu promo there as well.

Should all the miscellaneous promos be in the '''Additional Cards''' section that is on the set's page (minus the jumbos imo) or are there special rules about what goes there? If not I'd love to edit the older sets and add them.

[[User:Pcompaq|Pcompaq]] ([[User talk:Pcompaq|talk]]) 22:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== ''More info for beginner editors'' ==

There should be a list of '''all''' templates and more editing advice so that people that have knowledge of Pokémon but don't know how to edit pages that well can contribute to the wiki.

Celebrate (move)

2016-12-26T08:41:12Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon:

{{incomplete}} {{bad image|reason=Should be replaced with Generation VII image}}
{{redirect|Celebrate|the Pokémon Conquest Ability|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest}}
{{MoveInfobox
|n=606
|name=Celebrate
|jname=おいわい
|jtrans=Celebration
|jtranslit=Oiwai
|gameimage=Celebrate.png
|gameimagewidth=300
|type=Normal
|damagecategory=Status
|basepp=40
|maxpp=64
|power=—
|accuracy=—
|gen=VI
|category6=Cute
|appeal6=2
|jam6=0
|cdesc6=Excites the audience in any kind of contest.
|touches=no
|protect=no
|magiccoat=no
|snatch=no
|brightpowder=no
|kingsrock=no
|sound=no
|target=self
}}

'''Celebrate''' (Japanese: '''おいわい''' ''Celebration'') is a non-damaging {{type|Normal}} {{pkmn2|event}}-exclusive [[move]] introduced in [[Generation VI]].

==Effect==
Celebrate has no known effect in battle. When a Pokémon uses this move, it will disappear and a present will drop down from above and unfold to reveal the Pokémon that used it inside. The battle text will then display: ''Congratulations, <{{player}}>!''

If powered up by a {{DL|Z-Crystal|Normalium Z}} into Z-Celebrate, all of the user's [[statistic|stats]] raise one stage.

==Description==
{{movedesc|Normal}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}} {{gameabbrev7|SM}}|The Pokémon congratulates you on your special day!}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==Learnset==
===By {{pkmn2|event}}s===
====[[Generation VI]]====
{{Movehead/Special|Normal}}
{{Moveentry/1|001|Bulbasaur|type=Grass|type2=Poison|2|Monster|Grass|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Bulbasaur|2016 World Championships Bulbasaur]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|004|Charmander|type=Fire|2|Monster|Dragon|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Charmander|2016 World Championships Charmander]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|007|Squirtle|type=Water|2|Monster|Water 1|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Squirtle|2016 World Championships Squirtle]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|025|Pikachu|type=Electric|2|Field|Fairy|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Pikachu 3|Pokémon Center Birthday Pikachu]] {{DL|List of Japanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Center Online Pikachu}}}}
{{Moveentry/1|129|Magikarp|type=Water|2|Water 2|Dragon|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Magikarp|Pokémon Center Hiroshima Magikarp]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|133|Eevee|type=Normal|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Eevee|Pokémon Center Birthday Eevee]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|134|Vaporeon|type=Water|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Vaporeon|Pokémon Center Birthday Vaporeon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|135|Jolteon|type=Electric|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Jolteon|Pokémon Center Birthday Jolteon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|136|Flareon|type=Fire|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Flareon|Pokémon Center Birthday Flareon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|196|Espeon|type=Psychic|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Espeon|Pokémon Center Birthday Espeon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|197|Umbreon|type=Dark|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Umbreon|Pokémon Center Birthday Umbreon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|250|Ho-Oh|type=Fire|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|{{DL|List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Center Kyoto Ho-Oh}}}}
{{Moveentry/1|384|Rayquaza|type=Dragon|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|{{DL|List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Center Skytree Town Rayquaza}}}}
{{Moveentry/1|470|Leafeon|type=Grass|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Leafeon|Pokémon Center Birthday Leafeon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|471|Glaceon|type=Ice|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Glaceon|Pokémon Center Birthday Glaceon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|700|Sylveon|type=Fairy|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Sylveon|Pokémon Center Birthday Sylveon]]}}
{{Movefoot|Normal|1}}

====[[Generation VII]]====
{{Movehead/Special|Normal}}
{{Moveentry/1|025|Pikachu|type=Electric|2|Field|Fairy|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VII#Pikachu|Pokémon Center Birthday Pikachu]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|037A|Vulpix|type=Ice|1|Field|Field|{{DL|List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VII|Pokémon Center Sapporo Alolan Vulpix}}|form=Alola Form}}
{{Moveentry/1|133|Eevee|type=Normal|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VII#Eevee|Pokémon Center Birthday Eevee]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|764|Comfey|type=Fairy|1|Grass|Grass|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VII#Comfey|Pokémon Center Birthday Comfey]]}}
{{Movefoot|Normal|1}}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{normal color}}|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|zh_yue=慶祝 ''{{tt|Hingjūk|Celebrate}}''
|zh_cmn=慶祝 / 庆祝 ''{{tt|Qìngzhù|Celebrate}}''
|fr=Célébration
|de=Ehrentag
|it=Auguri
|es=Celebración
|ko=축하 ''Chukha''
}}
{{-}}
{{Splash}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Cute moves]]
[[Category:Event-exclusive moves]]
[[Category:Moves with no effect]]

[[de:Ehrentag]]
[[fr:Célébration]]
[[it:Auguri (mossa)]]
[[ja:おいわい]]
[[zh:庆祝（技能）]]

User talk:PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon

2016-12-26T08:26:40Z

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Celebrate (move)

2016-12-25T08:50:55Z

PersonThatReallyLikesPokemon:

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{{redirect|Celebrate|the Pokémon Conquest Ability|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest}}
{{MoveInfobox
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|name=Celebrate
|jname=おいわい
|jtrans=Celebration
|jtranslit=Oiwai
|gameimage=Celebrate.png
|gameimagewidth=300
|type=Normal
|damagecategory=Status
|basepp=40
|maxpp=64
|power=—
|accuracy=—
|gen=VI
|category6=Cute
|appeal6=2
|jam6=0
|cdesc6=Excites the audience in any kind of contest.

|target=self
}}

'''Celebrate''' (Japanese: '''おいわい''' ''Celebration'') is a non-damaging {{type|Normal}} {{pkmn2|event}}-exclusive [[move]] introduced in [[Generation VI]].

==Effect==
Celebrate has no known effect in battle. When a Pokémon uses this move, it will disappear and a present will drop down from above and unfold to reveal the Pokémon that used it inside. The battle text will then display: ''Congratulations, <{{player}}>!''

If powered up by a {{DL|Z-Crystal|Normalium Z}} into Z-Celebrate, all of the user's [[statistic|stats]] raise one stage.

==How to obtain==
The player can '''not''' teach this move to any Pokémon and can only obtain a Pokémon that has already learned this move from a Japanese Pokémon Center (The real place, not the in-game hospital for Pokémon), if they visit
on their birthday.

==Description==
{{movedesc|Normal}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}} {{gameabbrev7|SM}}|The Pokémon congratulates you on your special day!}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==Learnset==
===By {{pkmn2|event}}s===
====[[Generation VI]]====
{{Movehead/Special|Normal}}
{{Moveentry/1|001|Bulbasaur|type=Grass|type2=Poison|2|Monster|Grass|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Bulbasaur|2016 World Championships Bulbasaur]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|004|Charmander|type=Fire|2|Monster|Dragon|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Charmander|2016 World Championships Charmander]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|007|Squirtle|type=Water|2|Monster|Water 1|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Squirtle|2016 World Championships Squirtle]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|025|Pikachu|type=Electric|2|Field|Fairy|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Pikachu 3|Pokémon Center Birthday Pikachu]] {{DL|List of Japanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Center Online Pikachu}}}}
{{Moveentry/1|129|Magikarp|type=Water|2|Water 2|Dragon|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Magikarp|Pokémon Center Hiroshima Magikarp]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|133|Eevee|type=Normal|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Eevee|Pokémon Center Birthday Eevee]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|134|Vaporeon|type=Water|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Vaporeon|Pokémon Center Birthday Vaporeon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|135|Jolteon|type=Electric|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Jolteon|Pokémon Center Birthday Jolteon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|136|Flareon|type=Fire|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Flareon|Pokémon Center Birthday Flareon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|196|Espeon|type=Psychic|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Espeon|Pokémon Center Birthday Espeon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|197|Umbreon|type=Dark|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Umbreon|Pokémon Center Birthday Umbreon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|250|Ho-Oh|type=Fire|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|{{DL|List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Center Kyoto Ho-Oh}}}}
{{Moveentry/1|384|Rayquaza|type=Dragon|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|{{DL|List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI|Pokémon Center Skytree Town Rayquaza}}}}
{{Moveentry/1|470|Leafeon|type=Grass|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Leafeon|Pokémon Center Birthday Leafeon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|471|Glaceon|type=Ice|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Glaceon|Pokémon Center Birthday Glaceon]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|700|Sylveon|type=Fairy|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Sylveon|Pokémon Center Birthday Sylveon]]}}
{{Movefoot|Normal|1}}

====[[Generation VII]]====
{{Movehead/Special|Normal}}
{{Moveentry/1|025|Pikachu|type=Electric|2|Field|Fairy|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VII#Pikachu|Pokémon Center Birthday Pikachu]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|037A|Vulpix|type=Ice|1|Field|Field|{{DL|List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VII|Pokémon Center Sapporo Alolan Vulpix}}|form=Alola Form}}
{{Moveentry/1|133|Eevee|type=Normal|1|Field|Field|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VII#Eevee|Pokémon Center Birthday Eevee]]}}
{{Moveentry/1|764|Comfey|type=Fairy|1|Grass|Grass|[[List of local event Pokémon distributions in Generation VII#Comfey|Pokémon Center Birthday Comfey]]}}
{{Movefoot|Normal|1}}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{normal color}}|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|fr=Célébration
|de=Ehrentag
|it=Auguri
|es=Celebración
|ko=축하 ''Chukha''
}}
{{-}}
{{Splash}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Cute moves]]
[[Category:Event-exclusive moves]]
[[Category:Moves with no effect]]

[[de:Ehrentag]]
[[fr:Célébration]]
[[it:Auguri (mossa)]]
[[ja:おいわい]]
[[zh:庆祝（技能）]]