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Ransei

2012-05-07T23:04:44Z

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name=Ransei |
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image=Ransei.png |
caption=The Ransei region|
introduction=[[Pokémon Conquest]] |
professor=None |
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villain=Unknown |
generation=[[Generation V]] |
games=[[Pokémon Conquest]] |
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'''Ransei''' (Japanese: '''ランセ地方''' ''Ranse-chihō'') is the name of the [[region]] that appears in the game [[Pokémon Conquest]]. It is said to be similar to feudal {{wp|Japan}}. The region is divided into 17 nations, each with its own castle.

==History==
The region of Ransei is said to have been created by a [[legendary Pokémon]], {{p|Arceus}}, which the shape of the region itself resembles.

==Kingdoms==
===Aurora===
:Leader: {{player|Player}}

Aurora (Japanese: '''ハジメの国''' ''{{tt|Hajime|Beginning}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of the player, and where the game begins. It is located in the middle of the southern part of the southwestern peninsula of Ransei. It is home to many {{type|Normal}} Pokémon.

===Ignis===
:Leader: {{wp|Toyotomi Hideyoshi}}

Ignis (Japanese: '''カエンの国''' ''{{tt|Kaen|Blazing}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Hideyoshi. It is located immediately to the north of Hajime. It is surrounded by mountains and active volcanoes. It is home to many {{type|Fire}} Pokémon.

===Greenleaf===
:Leader: {{wp|Mōri Motonari}}

Greenleaf (Japanese: '''アオバの国''' ''{{tt|Aoba|Fresh Leaves}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Motonari. It is located on the southwestern-most coast of the Ransei region. It is surrounded by lush plains, and the castle sits inside a dome like a massive greenhouse. It is home to many {{type|Grass}} Pokémon.

===Fontaine===
:Leader: {{wp|Chōsokabe Motochika}}

Fontaine (Japanese: '''イズミの国''' ''{{tt|Izumi|Fountain}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Motochika. It is located on the eastern side of the southwestern peninsula of Ransei. It is a land full of rivers, streams, and waterfalls. It is home to many {{type|Water}} Pokémon.

===Kobushi===
:Leader: {{wp|Shimazu Yoshihiro}}

Kobushi (Japanese: '''コブシの国''' ''{{tt|Kobushi|Fist}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Yoshihiro. It is located on a flat plain in the western half of the central part of Ransei. Its castle resembles a stadium or colosseum. It is home to many {{type|Fighting}} Pokémon.

===Violight===
:Leader: {{wp|Tachibana Ginchiyo}}

Violight (Japanese: '''シデンの国''' ''{{tt|Shiden|Purple Lightning}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Ginchiyo. It is located in the middle of Ransei's western coast. It is full of tall spires that spark with electricity. It is home to many {{type|Electric}} Pokémon.

===Sanagi===
:Leader: {{wp|Imagawa Yoshimoto}}

Sanagi (Japanese: '''サナギの国''' ''{{tt|Sanagi|Pupa}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Yoshimoto. It is the western-most kingdom of Ransei. It has many garden-like fields. It is home to many {{type|Bug}} Pokémon.

===Daichi===
:Leader: {{wp|Takeda Shingen}}

Daichi (Japanese: '''ダイチの国''' ''{{tt|Daichi|Earth}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Shingen. It encompasses a vast, arid plain that makes up the southern half of the middle of Ransei. It is home to many {{type|Ground}} Pokémon.

===Genmu===
:Leader: {{wp|Uesugi Kenshin}}

Genmu (Japanese: '''ゲンムの国''' ''{{tt|Genmu|Illusion}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Kenshin. It is located in the northern half of the middle of Ransei. It has many mystical floating rock formations. It is home to many {{type|Psychic}} Pokémon.

===Kigan===
:Leader: {{wp|Hōjō Ujiyasu}}

Kigan (Japanese: '''キガンの国''' ''{{tt|Kigan|Strange Rock}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Ujiyasu. It is located in the center of the southeastern peninsula of Ransei. It contains many stony mountains. It is home to many {{type|Rock}} Pokémon.

===Dokuga===
:Leader: {{wp|Nene (aristocrat)|Nene}}

Dokuga (Japanese: '''ドクガの国''' ''{{tt|Dokuga|Poison Fang}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Nene. It is located in the middle of the eastern coast of Ransei. It contains many misty bogs. It is home to many {{type|Poison}} Pokémon.

===Yasha===
:Leader: {{wp|Fūma Kotarō}}

Yasha (Japanese: '''ヤシャの国''' ''{{wp|Yaksha}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Kotarō. It is located in a shadowy corner of the southern-most tip of Ransei's southeastern peninsula. It is home to many {{type|Dark}} Pokémon.

===Tsubasa===
:Leader: {{wp|Date Masamune}}

Tsubasa (Japanese: '''ツバサの国''' ''{{tt|Tsubasa|Wing}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Masamune. It is located at the base of the northeastern peninsula of Ransei. The castle towers above the clouds. It is home to many {{type|Flying}} Pokémon.

===Fukutsu===
:Leader: {{wp|Tokugawa Ieyasu}}

Fukutsu (Japanese: '''フクツの国''' ''{{tt|Fukutsu|Indomitable}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Ieyasu. It is located on the southwestern edge of Ransei's northeastern peninsula. It has an imposing, iron and steel castle. It is home to many {{type|Steel}} Pokémon.

===Mitama===
:Leader: {{wp|Nōhime}}

Mitama (Japanese: '''ミタマの国''' ''{{tt|Mitama|Spirit}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Nōhime. It is located on the northeastern-most coast of Ransei. Its castle is dimly-lit and surrounded by spooky floating lights and flames. It is home to many {{type|Ghost}} Pokémon.

===Fubuki===
:Leader: {{wp|Akechi Mitsuhide}}

Fubuki (Japanese: '''フブキの国''' ''{{tt|Fubuki|Blizzard}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Mitsuhide. It is located at the very north of Ransei. Its castle sits on the heights of an icy mountain range. It is home to many {{type|Ice}} Pokémon.

===Ryū===
:Leader: {{wp|Oda Nobunaga}}

Ryū (Japanese: '''リュウの国''' ''{{tt|Ryū|Dragon}} Nation'') is a kingdom under the leadership of Nobunaga. It is located amongst the tall mountains in the middle of Ransei's northeastern peninsula. It is home to many {{type|Dragon}} Pokémon.

==Name origin==
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|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Japanese
|ランセ ''Ranse''
|rowspan=3| From 乱世 ''Ransei'', meaning "turbulent times".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|English
|Ransei
|- style="background:#FFF;"
|Chinese ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan}})
|亂世 ''Luànshì''
|}{{-}}

==Trivia==
*Ransei is the only region in which [[human]]s are known to "evolve" to become more powerful in a manner similar to their Pokémon partners.
*Ransei is shaped like the Pokémon [[Arceus]], which plays a large role in the game.

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Oblivia

2012-03-29T20:45:22Z

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name=Oblivia |
jname=オブリビア |
tmname=Oblivia |
image=Oblivia artwork.png|
introduction=[[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]] |
professor=[[Professor Hastings]]|
starter={{p|Pichu}} |
professor=[[Professor Hastings]] |
villain=[[Pokémon Pinchers]] |
pokelist=[[List of Pokémon by Oblivia Browser number|Browser]] |
}}
'''Oblivia''' (Japanese: '''オブリビア地方''' ''Oblivia-chihō'') is the region in which [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]] takes place. This region is an archipelago composed of several islands. It has many ruins, and legends. In the past it had temples used to worship Pokémon, such as {{p|Arceus}}. Across Oblivia are monuments that, when lit, form the [[Ranger Sign]] for {{p|Latias}} and {{p|Latios}}. Also, in some places there are monuments that, when specific side quests are completed, reveal special signs for certain Pokémon that can join your team.

==History==
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==Locations==

===Islands===
* [[Dolce Island]]
* [[Renbow Island]]
* [[Mitonga Island]]
* [[Faldera Island]]
* [[Sophian Island]]
* [[Layuda Island]]
* [[Tilikule Island]]

===Towns/Cities===
* [[Cocona Village]]
* [[Tilt Village]]
* [[Aqua Resort]]

===Areas of Interest===
* {{ra|Sky}}
* [[Teakwood Forest]]
* [[Rasp Cavern]]
* [[Lapras Beach]]
* [[Coral Sea]]
* [[Curl Bay]]
* [[Rand's House]]
* [[Mt. Latolato]]
* [[Latolato Trail]]
* [[Wireless Tower]]
* [[Hinder Cape]]
* [[Mitonga Road]]
* [[Noir Forest]]
* [[Old Mansion]]
* [[Daybreak Ruins]]
* [[Dangerous Cliff]]
* {{ra|Submarine}}
* [[Sophian Road]]
* [[Canal Ruins]]
* [[Silver Falls]]
* [[Mt. Sorbet]]
* [[Oblivia Ruins]]
* {{ra|Eastern Sea}}
* {{ra|Western Sea}}
* [[Rainbow Dais]]
* [[Sky Fortress]]

==Trivia==
* The names of Oblivia's islands are based on the seven {{wp|solfège|solfège syllables}} of music notation, do, re, mi, fa, so, la, and ti.
* Oblivia is possibly based on the Hawaii islands.
* The name Oblivia comes from oblivion, meaning the state of being forgotten, or possibly oblivious, considering the fact that native people are unaware of the [[Pokémon Pinchers|Pincher]] invasion.

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Extraterrestrial Pokémon

2012-03-07T02:23:38Z

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The [[Pokémon world]] is not the only place in its universe that Pokémon exist. There exist several Pokémon that originated somewhere through space and have migrated there, as well as those who reside in their own [[dimensions]]. Many of these Pokémon can breed with terrestrial Pokémon, and evolve in the same ways. [[Poké Ball]]s and [[item]]s that work on terrestrial Pokémon work just as well on these. These Pokémon have adapted to the place where they landed on earth.

There are also myths involving Pokémon originating outside of the Pokémon world because of their resemblance and relation to extraterrestrial bodies, and in some canons there are characters who speculate non-earthly origins for ''all'' Pokémon.
==Known extraterrestrial Pokémon==
Some Pokémon have been confirmed to originate in places other than the Pokémon world.
===Outer space===
Two such Pokémon are said to come from outer space. However, whether Deoxys was, strictly speaking, an actual ''Pokémon'' prior to its arrival differs by [[canon]]; and Kyurem’s celestial origin is attributed to ancient legends rather than modern scientific data.
====#386 Deoxys====
[[File:Deoxys meteor.png|right|thumb|Deoxys came to earth in a meteor.]]
A space virus fell to earth in a meteor, and was exposed to a laser beam. This caused the virus's DNA to mutate into the Pokémon {{p|Deoxys}}. Upon exposure to a meteorite, Deoxys's [[Form differences#Deoxys|Forme]] will change. Deoxys has four formes, adapted for survivability in the wild, and its specialized formes have some of the highest [[base stats]] of any Pokémon. Its Attack Forme is adapted for combat against Pokémon native to earth, its Defense Forme is useful to protect itself from attack from Pokémon native to earth, and its Speed Forme is useful for fleeing. These formes in combination with its ability to regenerate lost body parts allow it to survive in an alien world. Because of its exoticism, it is generally asocial. Deoxys is not a unique phenomenon, and a Deoxys can communicate with others of its kind by creating an aurora.
====#646 Kyurem====
An old legend in [[Lacunosa Town]] states that {{p|Kyurem}} fell to [[Giant Chasm]] in a meteor, and began taking Pokémon and people from [[Lacunosa Town]] at night for food. It is for this reason that the people of Lacunosa Town constructed a wall to keep Kyurem out, and stay inside their homes at night. In the middle of Giant Chasm is a small pond in a crater where the meteorite supposedly fell, and examining it will cause Kyurem to cry out and cause a blizzard in the area.

===Extradimensional===
Several Pokémon are known to exist or originate in alternate dimensions, either in the sense of parallel universes, or in the sense of additional aspects of the main universe unobserved by humans.
====#175 Togepi, #176 Togetic and #468 Togekiss====
Togepi originate from the [[Togepi Paradise]], a dimension sacred to the people of the [[Mirage Kingdom]].
====#201 Unown====
[[Image:Alternate dimension.jpg|thumb|right|250px|{{p|Unown}} in their dimension]]
In the anime, {{p|Unown}} have their own [[alternate dimension]]. Unlike in the games, it is a rare occurrence to see an Unown outside of this dimension, and something has been amiss every time.
====#483 Dialga====
{{p|Dialga}} lives in its own dimension, from which it governs [[time|temporal]] matters. This dimension collided with those of {{an|Palkia}} and the Unown in ''[[M11|The Rise of Darkrai]]'', and, each thinking that the other was trespassing, Sinnoh’s legendary Pokémon began to clash. In {{game3|Diamond and Pearl|Pokémon Diamond|s}} and {{v2|Platinum}}, [[Cyrus]] summons Dialga from its dimension to [[Spear Pillar]] using the [[Red Chain]]. In Platinum, a portal to Dialga's dimension appears at Spear Pillar if the {{player}} has the {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Adamant Orb}}. Notably, this portal will never appear at the same time as the portal to Palkia's dimension.
====#484 Palkia====
{{p|Palkia}} lives in its own dimension, from which it governs spatial matters. This dimension collided with those of {{an|Dialga}} and the Unown in ''[[M11|The Rise of Darkrai]]'', and, each thinking that the other was trespassing, Sinnoh’s legendary Pokémon began to clash. In {{game3|Diamond and Pearl|Pearl|s}} and {{v2|Platinum}}, [[Cyrus]] summons Palkia from its dimension to [[Spear Pillar]] using the [[Red Chain]]. In Platinum, a portal to Palkia's dimension appears at Spear Pillar if the {{player}} has the {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Lustrous Orb}}. Notably, this portal will never appear at the same time as the portal to Dialga's dimension.
====#487 Giratina====
{{p|Giratina}} lives in a parallel dimension of {{wp|antimatter}}. In the anime, this dimension is the [[Reverse World]]; in the games, it is the [[Distortion World]]. In both dimensions, the normal rules of time and space do not apply. When it is not in this dimension, Giratina assumes its {{DL|Form differences|Giratina|Altered Forme}}, however, holding the {{DL|Type-enhancing item|Griseous Orb}} reverts it to its Origin Forme. Because the other dimensions are inextricably linked with Giratina's dimension, Giratina will viciously defend its world if events in other dimensions threaten it.
====#493 Arceus====
{{p|Arceus}} lives in a high dimension, from which it stands guard over the entire [[Pokémon world]], and will wake from its slumber to save it from annihilation. In the games, this dimension is the [[Hall of Origin]]. The only way to get there is by blowing on the [[Azure Flute]], which has not been legitimately released, at [[Spear Pillar]], the highest point in [[Sinnoh]].

==Rumored extraterrestrial Pokémon==
===Strong evidence===
====#173 Cleffa, #035 Clefairy, and #036 Clefable====
[[File:Clefairy Dancing HGSS.png|right|thumb|Clefairy dance in a ring at [[Mt. Moon Square]] every Monday night.]]
The star-shaped {{p|Cleffa}} are said to have come to earth on meteorites. Wherever a meteorite lands, there is always a Cleffa near. Cleffa and their evolved forms, {{p|Clefairy}} and {{p|Clefable}}, dance in a ring on Monday nights, nights with a full moon, and on nights when meteor showers occur. Clefairy and its evolutionary relatives tend to make their habitat at impact sites, and Clefairy evolves into Clefable from a Moon Stone, further evidence that they are extraterrestrial in origin.

In the anime, Clefairy have been shown to be [[EP062|capable of constructing]] [[EP246|aircraft and runways]], which could offer another explanation for their origins.

The manga chapter ''[[ET10|Clefairy in Space]]'' from [[The Electric Tale of Pikachu]] revolves around the idea that Clefairy are extraterrestrials.

====#120 Staryu and #121 Starmie====
{{p|Starmie}} are said to be extraterrestrials because they are star-shaped and they emit radio signals into space at night. {{p|Staryu}} gather at night and flash their red cores to communicate with the stars.
====#337 Lunatone and #338 Solrock====
{{p|Lunatone}} and {{p|Solrock}} are said to have come from space and to be from the moon and sun, respectively, from which they gain power. They are both known as "Meteorite Pokémon," as they were discovered [[Meteor Falls|near meteorites]].
====#365 Jirachi====
{{p|Jirachi}} has some relation to the [[Millennium Comet]]. It is visible from the Pokémon world for only seven nights once every thousand years. The origin of this comet, or Jirachi itself, is unknown.

====#605 Elgyem and #606 Beheeyem====
{{p|Elgyem}} and {{p|Beheeyem}} allegedly appeared 50 years prior to the events of {{2v|Black|White}} in the [[Desert Resort]]. It is unknown how or why they appeared. This could be explained by their ability to rewrite the memories of the people and Pokémon around them. They survive hostile encounters by using their {{t|psychic}} powers to confuse opponents. Presumably because of the presence of {{type|Dark}} Pokémon like {{p|Sandile}} and {{p|Scraggy}} in the desert, they are no longer found there, and have relocated to high up in the [[Celestial Tower]] and [[Unova Route 14]], respectively, where there are no Dark-type to be found. These Pokémon appear to be based on alien conspiracy theories including {{wp|Area 51#UFO and other conspiracy theories concerning Area 51|those surrounding Area 51}} and the {{wp|Roswell UFO incident|Roswell incident}}.
===Weak evidence===
====#174 Igglybuff, #039 Jigglypuff, and #040 Wigglytuff====
The fact that {{p|Jigglypuff}} is commonly found living near impact sites, and that it evolves from a Moon Stone, could be seen as evidence that Jigglypuff and its evolutionary relatives, {{p|Igglybuff}} and {{p|Wigglytuff}}, are extraterrestrial in origin.
====#151 Mew====
Mew is said to be the ancestor of all Pokémon. Due to this, and the number of extraterrestrial Pokémon that have been discovered, it is possible that Mew inhabit other areas of the universe, and it is equally possible that they originate from a world other than [[Pokémon world|Earth]]. Mew have been shown to be capable of flying through the vacuum of space, as displayed in the original [[Pokémon Theme]].

====#377 Regirock, #378 Regice, #379 Registeel and #486 Regigigas====
{{p|Registeel}}'s Pokédex entries state that the metal composing its body is not of this earth. By extension, this also puts the origin of its creator {{p|Regigigas}} into question, as well as that of the other [[Legendary golems]], {{p|Regirock}} and {{p|Regice}}.

[[Category:Pokémon world]]

History of the Pokémon world

2011-12-02T01:51:18Z

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{{fan speculation}}

There are many stories and legends surrounding the history of the [[Pokémon world]] as it is known to us today. Nobody knows if such legends are true or not, but there are many clues in the games, anime and manga that suggest that they are.

Below is a timeline of events in the history of the Pokémon world, primarily those established in the [[canon]] of the [[Pokémon game]]s since these apply most to other forms of canon. There is also a separate [[Timeline of events in the anime|timeline of events]] for the [[Pokémon anime]].

Please note that the below timeline is based on speculation and possible information from different aspects of the Pokémon franchise.

It is still unknown exactly where Generation V fits in the timeline, but the dialog of both the Team Rocket Grunt in [[Icirrus City]] and [[Cynthia]], as well as [[Caitlin]]'s older appearance, indicate that Generation V must happen at least a few years after the events of Generations {{gen|II}} and {{gen|IV}}.

==Timeline==
===Beginning of the {{pkmn|universe}}===
This information is based primarily on [[Sinnoh myths|the mythology]] of both the [[Hoenn]] and [[Sinnoh]] regions.
[[File:Dialga-Palkia-Giratina.jpg|thumb|right|290px|Palkia, Giratina and Dialga]]
* In a vortex of complete chaos and nothingness, a single {{pkmn|egg}} comes into being, which then hatches into {{p|Arceus}}, the first Pokémon in existence. Arceus creates {{p|Dialga}}, {{p|Palkia}}, and {{p|Giratina}}, giving them power over {{wp|time}}, {{wp|space}}, and {{wp|antimatter}}. Giratina, as punishment for its destructive nature, is sent by Arceus to live in the [[Distortion World]]. Dialga and Palkia succeed in creating the universe and [[Pokémon world]], retreating into their own [[dimensions]] afterwards, with a point of access being at the ancient [[Spear Pillar]] in Sinnoh.
* Arceus creates {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}}, giving knowledge, emotion, and willpower to all living things that come into existence in the Pokémon world. The three dive into caves at the bottom of [[Lake Verity]], [[Lake Valor]], and [[Lake Acuity]] in Sinnoh, giving them the name "[[lake guardians]]".
* {{p|Kyogre}} is formed by the pressure in the deep sea trenches, {{p|Groudon}} is formed deep inside the Earth, likely from hardened magma and earth, and {{p|Rayquaza}} is formed by the minerals of the ozone layer. Rayquaza proceeds to fly around in the ozone layer, occasionally coming to rest at [[Sky Pillar]]. Kyogre and Groudon then proceed to fill the sea and create land, respectively. A chance meeting turns the two into rivals, and a conflict for dominance over the Pokémon world begins. This battle continues until Rayquaza quells it, causing Kyogre and Groudon to retreat to special caverns, where they {{m|rest}} until the events of [[Generation III]] many years later. The {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Red Orb|Red}} and {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Blue Orb}}s are created to prevent the reawakening of Kyogre and Groudon, and are left at [[Mt. Pyre]] for safekeeping. At this time, {{p|Mew}} may have been plentiful and lived in large numbers.
[[File:Regis.png|thumb|right|200px| The Legendary Golems: Regice, Registeel and Regirock]]
*Landmasses such as [[Mt. Coronet]] are created, and {{p|Regigigas}} moves the continents, forming the regions, and at some point created {{p|Regice}}, {{p|Regirock}}, and {{p|Registeel}}. The [[Sinnoh]] region is created around Mt. Coronet. During this violent procedure, [[Stark Mountain]] is created due to shifts in the crust of the world and {{p|Heatran}} is formed in a pool of lava. Arceus creates the {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Adamant Orb|Adamant}}, {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Lustrous Orb|Lustrous}}, and {{DL|Legendary artifacts|Griseous Orb}}s before falling into a deep sleep.

===Prehistory===
This information is based primarily on the study of [[Fossil|fossils]] and other archaeological remains. Some of this information is also based on scientific research.

* '''Millions of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
** Earliest known [[Fossil|prehistoric Pokémon]] exist. It is possible that the Mew population may have decreased at this stage, as they slowly gave way to other Pokémon species.
** First humans appear in the Pokémon world.
** At some point after the Iron Age, Regigigas is sealed away in Snowpoint Temple, and Regirock, Regice and Registeel are sealed away at various points across the [[Hoenn]] region.
** At some point 300 million years ago, an ancient version of {{p|Genesect}} was born. Team Plasma later used its DNA to create an infinately stronger version of {{p|Genesect}} with cybernetic technology.
** At some point 10,000 years ago during the last Ice Age, the {{p|Mamoswine}} population flourished, then decreased when the Ice Age ended.
* '''1500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
** The earliest known system for writing is developed and used at the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Ruins]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]]. Archaeologists are currently unsure whether the nearly identical {{p|Unown}} preceded or succeeded the writing system, but it is assumed they share some sort of connection.
** The {{p|Farfetch'd}} population decreases due to overhunting.
** {{p|Magikarp}} population mutates and becomes weaker.

===Recent history===
This information is based on historic records.
[[File:Ecruteak City Landscape.png|thumb|right|290px|Ecruteak City]]

* '''Hundreds of years before [[Generation I]]:'''
** The legends of [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]]'s past.

* '''c. 700 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
** [[Bell Tower]] and [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] are constructed in [[Ecruteak City]], and {{p|Lugia}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}} perch at their tops.

* '''c. 500 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
** The first {{p|Spiritomb}} is sealed in the [[Hallowed Tower]] for its unforgivable misdeeds.
** The {{DL|Cianwood City|Cianwood City Pharmacy}} is built.

* '''c. 400 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
** [[Azalea Town]] in Johto is struck by a long-term drought. After bringing the rain back once again by {{m|yawn}}ing, {{p|Slowpoke}} gains an honorable position in that town.
** The Pokémon move {{m|Toxic}} is invented by a ninja.

* '''c. 150 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
** [[Burned Tower|Brass Tower]] burns to the ground, killing three Pokémon inside. Lugia flees to the [[Whirl Islands]], Ho-Oh resurrects the three as the [[legendary beasts]] and flies off in search of a {{player|pure-hearted Trainer}}.
** The first [[Pokémon League]] competitions take place.

* '''c. 200 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
** [[Village Bridge]] is constructed after the river flooded the area.

* '''c. 100 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
** {{p|Klink}} begin to appear in [[Chargestone Cave]].

* '''c. 50 years before [[Generation V]]:'''
** {{p|Elgyem}} and {{p|Beheeyem}} appear in the [[Desert Resort]].

* '''1969:'''
** [[Pewter Museum of Science#Exhibits|First humans land on the Moon]].

* '''Less than 10 years before [[Generation I]]:'''
** The ferry [[S.S. Tidal]] is constructed.
** The first Pokémon created by scientific engineering, {{p|Porygon}}, is created.
** Rotom inhabits an [[Old Chateau|abandoned mansion]] in Sinnoh.

===Contemporary history===
From the [[Pokémon games]]:
* '''Some years prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
** A team of scientists discover a new Pokémon (at the time) deep in a jungle in [[Guyana]], South America on July 5. They name the Pokémon {{p|Mew}} on July 10. Mew gives birth, the only known case of a live Pokémon birth (possibly due to the scientists' genetic experimentation), and the scientists name the newborn {{p|Mewtwo}} on February 6. Mewtwo escapes from and destroys [[Cinnabar Island]]'s {{ka|Pokémon Mansion}} on September 1 and then goes to [[Cerulean Cave]]. At some point after Mewtwo's birth, Mew goes to [[Faraway Island]].
** [[Mr. Fuji]], the writer of the [[Pokémon Mansion journals]], goes to Faraway Island and leaves a message on the island's sign on the 6th of September, October, November, or December (depending on which of these months appear in the message) sometime after Mewtwo's escape.
** After leaving his message in Faraway Island, Mr. Fuji goes to [[Lavender Town]] and has lived there ever since.
** [[Saffron Gym|Sabrina's gym]] is declared the official gym of Saffron City after a Pokémon battle between [[Sabrina]] and the leader of the [[Fighting Dojo]].
** Giratina returns to the Pokémon world.
** The [[Battle Frontier]] opens in [[Hoenn]].

* '''One year prior to [[Generation I]]:'''
** [[Professor Rowan]] goes to [[Kanto]] to research the myths of the region.

* '''[[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}}:'''
** The events of [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], {{v2|Yellow}}, [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], {{3v2|Ruby|Sapphire|Emerald}}:'''
*** {{ga|Red}}/{{ga|Leaf}} leaves [[Pallet Town]] on his/her Pokémon journey after their rival, [[Professor Oak]]'s grandson, {{ga|Blue}}. After getting the eight [[badge]]s of [[Kanto]], defeating [[Team Rocket]] along the way, he/she challenges Kanto's [[Elite Four]], then its current Champion, none other than Blue himself. After defeating Blue, Red/Leaf becomes the {{pkmn|Champion}}, then ventures to the [[Sevii Islands]] to eradicate Team Rocket and help [[Celio]] to connect his [[Pokémon Net Center]] to the [[Hoenn]] region.
*** {{ga|Brendan}}/{{ga|May}} leaves [[Littleroot Town]] on a Pokémon journey shortly after moving to the Hoenn region from [[Johto]] by saving the local [[Pokémon Professor]] from an attacking [[wild Pokémon]]. At first, there is a deep-seated rivalry with [[Professor Birch]]'s son/daughter, however, later on, the rivalry is with [[Wally]] instead. After defeating Hoenn's eight [[Gym Leader]]s and, with the help of {{p|Rayquaza}}, calming both {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}, released from their banishment by [[Team Magma]] and [[Team Aqua]], respectively, he/she challenges and defeats Hoenn's Elite Four and current Champion, becoming the Champion him/herself, much to the astonishment of Birch's child.

* '''Between [[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}} and [[Generation II]]/{{gen|IV}}:'''
** The events of [[Pokémon Colosseum]] and {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}.
** Eruption of the volcano on [[Cinnabar Island]] causes destruction of many areas on the island.
** {{ga|Blue}} takes the position of Gym Leader in the now empty [[Viridian Gym]].
** {{ga|Red}} leaves to [[Mt. Silver]], training day and night, leaving [[Lance]] to act as Champion, while [[Lorelei]] returns to her home in {{OBP|Four Island|town}}, and [[Agatha]] retires from her position as a member of the [[Kanto]] [[Elite Four]]. This leaves three vacancies on the roster for Elite Four.
** Two of these vacancies are filled by [[Karen]] and [[Will]]. The other is filled by [[Koga]], who abdicates his position as Gym Leader to his daughter, [[Janine]].
** Extensive research confirms the existence of {{t|Steel}} and {{type2|Dark}}s in the region of Kanto. ''(The events of FireRed and LeafGreen retcon this discovery and say that they had always been known as Generation III and I are considered to take place contemporaneously. This is backed up by HeartGold and SoulSilver, when Jasmine's pre-battle speech was changed from the subject that the Steel-type was recently discovered.)''
** [[Baoba]] leaves [[Kanto]] when its {{safari|Kanto}} is closed and begins planning to open a [[Johto Safari Zone|new Safari Zone]] in [[Johto]], as a replacement.
** A [[Pal Park]] is opened in place of the Kanto Safari Zone.
** [[Miracle Cycle]] moves from [[Cerulean City]] to [[Goldenrod City]].
** {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}} retreat to the region of [[Fiore]] to rest after their battle.
** Giratina returns to the [[Distortion World]].
** A new {{gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}} is built in [[Sinnoh]] and [[Johto]].
** [[Blaine]] relocates his gym to the [[Seafoam Islands]] due to his gym on [[Cinnabar Island]] being destroyed by a volcanic eruption.

* '''After [[Generation I]]/{{gen|III}}:'''
** [[Human]]s abandon the PokéPark.
** The Sky Prism breaks.
** The events of [[PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure]].

* '''Three years after [[Generation I]]/[[Generation III]] ([[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]):'''
** The events of [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, Pearl]], {{v2|Platinum}}, [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HeartGold, SoulSilver]], [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]], and [[Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs]].
*** {{ga|Ethan}}/{{ga|Kris}}/{{ga|Lyra}} leaves [[New Bark Town]] on an errand for [[Professor Elm]], bonding with his/her [[starter Pokémon]] on the way. A {{ga|Silver|red-haired boy}} steals one of Elm's three Pokémon, and challenges him/her as Ethan/Kris/Lyra's journey across Johto continues. A revived Team Rocket, using plans formulated three years prior, enrages many {{p|Gyarados}}, including a [[Red Gyarados|red one]], at the [[Lake of Rage]] as they proceed to take over the [[Goldenrod Radio Tower]] in a desperate attempt to contact [[Giovanni]]. As they are defeated, the leader vows to never again re-form Team Rocket, and Ethan/Kris/Lyra continues to gather Johto's badges, eventually gaining all eight and traveling to the [[Pokémon League]] at the [[Indigo Plateau]] in Kanto. After defeating the Elite Four and their Champion, Lance, Ethan/Kris/Lyra then heads to the Kanto region to challenge its eight gyms, which have changed from three years prior. After gaining all eight of their badges, for a total of sixteen, [[Professor Oak]] declares him/her ready to travel to Mt. Silver, where he/she meets and defeats {{ga|Red}}.
*** {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and {{ga|Barry}} leave [[Twinleaf Town]] in an attempt to see a Pokémon like the recently reported red Gyarados in the nearest of [[Sinnoh]]'s lakes, [[Lake Verity]]. After being attacked by a wild {{p|Starly}} at the lake, and using one of [[Professor Rowan]]'s Pokémon to fend off the attacker, (apart from in Platinum canon, where they receive their starter Pokémon before actually reaching the lake) their journey begins in earnest, and both Lucas/Dawn and Barry challenge the Sinnoh region's eight gyms to gain the badges necessary to challenge the {{si|Pokémon League}}. Along the way, however, Lucas/Dawn is brought into many conflicts with [[Team Galactic]], whose leader, [[Cyrus]], wishes to remake the entire universe in his image with the powers of the [[legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}. Defeating the team and calming {{p|Dialga}}/{{p|Palkia}}/{{P|Giratina}}, Lucas/Dawn challenges Sinnoh's Elite Four and Champion, [[Cynthia]], and becomes Champion him/herself.
** [[Hayley]], a friend of Bebe, opens up a [[My Pokémon Ranch|Pokémon Ranch]].

* '''Approximately two years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]]:'''
** [[Cipher]] and [[Team Snagem]] return in the [[Orre|Orre Region]], and create [[Shadow Lugia|XD001]], a supposedly unpurifiable [[Shadow Pokémon]], but their plans are thwarted by [[Michael]]. Meanwhile, [[Dr. Kaminko]] and [[Chobin]] invent [[Robo Groudon]] and [[Robo Kyogre]], and [[Professor Krane]] invents the [[Purify Chamber|purification chamber]], where Shadow Pokémon can be purified more easily.

* '''Between [[Generation II]]/{{gen|IV}} and [[Generation V]]:'''
** The {{tc|Team Rocket Grunt}} who stole the Machine Part returns to [[Unova]] intending to reform Team Rocket there as he [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|previously stated]]. He later falls in love and has a son, moving to [[Icirrus City]].
** [[Caitlin]] leaves the [[Sinnoh]] [[Battle Frontier]] and returns to [[Unova]], becoming an [[Elite Four]] member.
** Team Plasma, under [[N]], creates {{p|Genesect}} in an attempt to create the strongest Pokémon in existence by altering an ancient insect Pokémon with cybernetic upgrades.

* '''A few years after [[Generation II]]/[[Generation IV]] ([[Generation V]]):'''
** The events of {{2v2|Black|White}}.

[[Category:Pokémon world]]

[[it:Storia del mondo Pokémon]]

EP008

2011-11-27T01:58:08Z

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broadcast_jp=May 20, 1997 |
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'''The Path to the Pokémon League''' (Japanese: '''ポケモンリーグへのみち''' ''Road to the Pokémon League'') is the eighth episode of the [[Pokémon anime]]. It was first broadcast in Japan on May 20, 1997 and in USA on September 17, 1998.

{{spoilers}}

==Synopsis==
{{Ash}}, {{an|Misty}}, and {{an|Brock}} are on their way to [[Vermilion City]]. Misty wants to see the [[S.S. Anne|luxury cruise ship docked there]], and Ash plans to win his third [[badge]].

Ash's {{AP|Pidgeotto}} defeats a {{p|Rattata}}, making Ash's 10th victory. The {{pkmn|Trainer}} admires Ash's two badges, leading Misty to muse that giving Ash the badge may have been a mistake. The Trainer points Ash to [[A.J.]]'s unofficial [[Gym]], where A.J. trains "savage Pokémon." A.J. has "never lost a single match," a challenge Ash cannot resist. Misty comments that he is getting a big head. Brock replies and says that his brain is still the same size. {{AP|Pikachu}} nods his agreement.

The sign outside A.J.'s Gym indicates that he has a record of 98 wins to 0 losses, but that his gym is not licensed by the [[Pokémon League]]. As Misty twits Ash over his swelled head, A.J. walks up and challenges Ash to a battle. A.J. snaps a whip, making Ash jump. He says that he plans to start competing for badges after his 100th win. Ash smugly tells him that he has 10 wins and two Gym badges, at which point his nose begins to grow, a Japanese sign for arrogance (this is a reference to a Japanese legend that arrogant people become long-nosed demons called Yamabushi Tengu after death). A.J. insults the gyms, calling them "Failure City" and "Wimpsville," angering Misty and Brock.

A.J. summons his {{p|Sandshrew}}. Misty reminds Ash that Pikachu's electricity is useless against a {{t|Ground}} Pokémon, but Ash nastily rejects her advice. He summons Pidgeotto. Brock notes that a {{t|Flying}} Pokémon should have the advantage. However, Sandshrew rolls itself into a ball like an armadillo and hurls itself into the air, striking and eliminating Pidgeotto.

Ash calls out {{AP|Butterfree}}. Ash orders a {{m|Stun Spore}} attack, but A.J. cracks his whip and Sandshrew [[Dig (move)|digs]] underground, avoiding it. It bursts out of the ground, eliminating Butterfree.

Ash wants Pikachu to fight, but Pikachu grabs hold of the edge of the playing field and refuses to go. Pikachu {{m|ThunderShock}}s Ash to make him let go.

{{TRT}} is spying on the match from a tree nearby. They decide they wanted to steal A.J.'s Sandshrew, then spend a moment critiquing his wardrobe. [[James]] clobbers {{MTR}} when the Pokémon criticizes his style.

Ash accuses A.J. of cheating, as he obviously would have won in a fair fight. He demands that they have a rematch at another location, but A.J. tells him to quit whining.

Ash overhears A.J. training his Pokémon, yelling angrily and cracking his whip. Ash intervenes to stop A.J. from hurting the Pokémon, but A.J. tells him to mind his own business. His Sandshrew is wearing a "strength intensifier" invented by A.J. himself. It enables the Sandshrew to withstand the weakening effects of the water. A.J. says he's tougher on Sandshrew than his other Pokémon because it was his very first.

Ash asserts that a great Pokémon Trainer should make friends with his Pokémon. He asked Brock's input, who only wants to know what kind of {{pkmn|food}} A.J. is using. A.J., like Brock, mixes his own food to a secret recipe. Pikachu attempts to pick up one of Sandshrew's dumbbells, but falls backward under the weight, as Sandshrew did rapid alternating curls.

Team Rocket is crouched behind A.J.'s tent, checking the equipment for their latest plan to catch Pikachu. They argue over rewriting their motto.

A.J.'s Pokémon are all exhausted. A.J. insults Pikachu, and Ash takes a swing at him, dumping them both into the pool. Pikachu tries on the strength intensifier, but it fits badly and pulls him into a ball. Sandshrew giggles at Pikachu and rolls itself into a ball as well.

Team Rocket rolls into the tent inside a rubber ball, but they grab Sandshrew by mistake. A.J. ends the rest break and realizes that Sandshrew is missing. He releases Pikachu from the harness, but Pikachu doesn't know where Sandshrew is, either. Ash suggests that he ran away, because he saw how much better Ash treated Pikachu. A.J. flips out, insisting Sandshrew would not have ran away after all they'd been through together. He sends his other Pokémon (three Rattata, a {{p|Butterfree}} and a {{p|Beedrill}}) to look for Sandshrew.

James and [[Jessie]] argue over who had to carry the bag, when Sandshrew bursts out, surprising them. Meowth grabs Sandshrew's tail in his teeth as he starts to dig.

Ash tries to convince A.J.'s Pokémon to leave with him, but they ignore him. Suddenly, Sandshrew bursts from the ground with a dazed Meowth still biting its tail. Watching A.J. and his Pokémon, Brock points out how deeply A.J. cares for them; this explains their loyalty to A.J. despite his tough training methods.

Ash wakes Meowth and gets a claw swiped across his face. Meowth realizes he is facing a lot of angry Pokémon and their Trainers. He is trying to figure a way out of the situation when James and Jessie began their standard litany. Jessie tells A.J. that taking his Sandshrew was a mistake; James calls it "second-rate," earning A.J's ire. He challenges them to a battle. As usual, Jessie summons her {{TP|Jessie|Ekans}} and James uses his {{TP|James|Koffing}}. Sandshrew takes them both out, then takes out Meowth while the cat Pokémon tries to bite his armored skin. Team Rocket's three Pokémon concede when Sandshrew uses a {{m|Fissure}} attack.

This being A.J.'s 100th win, they now leave to begin earning badges. Like Ash, he too wants to be "the world's greatest [[Pokémon Master]]." They part as rivals, agreeing to meet in the future at one of the League competitions.

==Major events==
*[[Jessie's Ekans]] is revealed to know {{m|Wrap}}.
{{animeevents}}

==Characters==
===Humans===
* {{Ash}}
* {{an|Misty}}
* {{an|Brock}}
* [[Jessie]]
* [[James]]
* [[A.J.]]
* Unnamed Trainer

===Pokémon===
[[File:Dare da EP008.png|thumb|right|Who's That Pokémon?]]
[[Who's That Pokémon?]]: {{p|Sandshrew}}
* {{p|Pikachu}} ({{op|Ash|Pikachu}})
* {{p|Meowth}} ({{TRM}})
* {{p|Butterfree}} ({{op|Ash|Butterfree}})
* {{p|Pidgeotto}} ({{op|Ash|Pidgeotto}})
* {{p|Ekans}} ({{op|Jessie|Ekans}})
* {{p|Koffing}} ({{op|James|Koffing}})
* {{p|Sandshrew}} ([[A.J.]]'s)
* {{p|Butterfree}} ([[A.J.]]'s)
* {{p|Beedrill}} ([[A.J.]]'s)
* {{p|Rattata}} ([[A.J.]]'s; three)
* {{p|Rattata}} (unnamed {{pkmn|Trainer}}'s)

==Trivia==
* The English version of this episode is one of the few times a real animal is mentioned. {{an|Misty}} claims that [[A.J.]] controls {{p|Sandshrew}} with the crack of his whip just like a {{wp|lion tamer}}. In the Japanese version, she simply remarks that it is amazing [[A.J.]] can control Sandshrew with the crack of his whip.
* This episode is the last in which [[Ted Lewis]] plays the voice of [[James]].
* This episode is technically the first [[filler episode]] in the series. More technically, it is the first episode not obviously set within a location from the games.
* The "Strength Intensifier" appears to work similarly to the {{DL|EV-enhancing item|Macho Brace}} introduced in later generations.
* This episode is the first one to feature a [[one-hit knockout move]].
*Earlier in the episode Team Rocket express an interest in Sandshrew. However later on they say they take no interest in A.J.'s "second rate" Sandshrew.

===Errors===
*Sandshrew hits {{AP|Butterfree}} with {{m|Dig}}, despite the fact that Butterfree, as a {{type2|Flying}} is immune to a {{type2|Ground}} move such as Dig.
*When Ash knocks out the young trainers Rattata at the start of the episode. In dismay, the trainer calls it name out in concern, but accidently calls it "Rattatak", its prototype ame in Red and Green

===Dub edits===
* The sign over the Gym is heavily edited:
** The text is translated.
** The background changes from plain white to a gray that fades into white.
** The numbers are made into a dot-matrix format. In the original, they were in a 7-segment LED format.
** The number of losses (0) is added.
* A sign inside the tent saying "Fight! Work Harder!" is changed to a picture of a Poké Ball being hit with a whip.
* Team Rocket experiment with a different motto:
** Japanese:
*** Jessie: "We are the pretty thieves..."
*** James: "Target: Pikachu!"
** Dub:
*** Jessie: "Team Rocket will do what it has to do..."
*** James: "To snatch that little Pikachu!"
* At the end, a five second panning of the battle field is cut by three seconds and replaced by a three second clip from earlier in the episode.
* The scene where Pikachu's holding a pillow is different between the two versions (mostly due to the fact that it's an untranslatable pun). The original version had Ash telling A.J. that Sandshrew (known as ''Sand'' in the Japanese version) is not a ''sandbag'', Pikachu mistook sandbag for ''pillow'' since ''zabuton'' (pillow) and the Japanese word for sandbag sound similar. Ash then shouts at Pikachu for not taking him seriously. In the dubbed version, however, it was rewritten to have Ash mishear A.J. thinking he said ''pacing'', not ''passing'', and thus get stammered with Pikachu's pillow. It is believed that Ash said ''padding'' and not pacing.

==In other languages==
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Tornadus (Pokémon)

2011-08-09T20:10:00Z

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{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Tornadus |
jname=トルネロス |
tmname=Tornelos |
size=143px|
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|pee-kah-bloo}}}''</sc> |
species=Cyclone |
typen=1 |
type1=Flying |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Prankster |
abilityd=Defiant |
ndex=641 |
udex=147 |
height-ftin=4'11" |
height-m=1.5 |
weight-lbs=138.9 |
weight-kg=63.0 |
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'''Tornadus''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''トルネロス''' ''Tornelos'') is a {{type2|Flying}} [[legendary Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation V]]. He is the first of the [[kami trio]].

Tornadus is a [[Roaming Pokémon|roaming]] Pokémon exclusive to {{game3|Black and White|Pokémon Black|s}} and is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any Pokémon.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Tornadus is a green, muscular, vaguely ogre or genie-like Pokémon. He has a tufted, cloudlike white mane on the back of his head, small purple horns pointing forward, green ears, yellow eyes, and a white mustache. His muscular arms are spotted with purple, and his navel also has a spot of purple. He has a trailing cloud for a lower body, and his long, curling, purple tentacle-like tail is adorned with various sepia whorled structures.

====Gender differences====
Tornadus is a male-only species with no female counterpart.

===Special abilities===
Tornadus can travel at speeds of 200 miles per hour. He can also whip up storms with his tail, and is able to blow away houses.

===Behavior===

===Habitat===

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===
Tornadus made a cameo appearance in the credits of ''[[M14|Victini and the Black Hero: Zekrom]]''.

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Tornadus (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Flying
|gen=5
|blackdex=The lower half of its body is wrapped in a cloud of energy. It zooms through the sky at 200 mph.
|whitedex=Tornadus expels massive energy from its tail, causing severe storms. Its power is great enough to blow houses away.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Flying |
gen=5 |
whiterarity=Unknown|
gen5ex=black|
bwrarity=One|
bwarea=Roaming Unova|
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Flying|
HP=79 |
Attack=115 |
Defense=70 |
SpAtk=125 |
SpDef=80 |
Speed=111 }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Flying |
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 0 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 50 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 200 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 |
notes=yes|
flying=yes|
newground=1
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Tornadus|Flying|Flying|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Astonish|Ghost|Physical|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Gust|Flying|Special|40|100|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|7|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|13|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/level5|19|Revenge|Fighting|Physical|60|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|25|Air Cutter|Flying|Special|55|95|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|31|Extrasensory|Psychic|Special|80|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|37|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|43|Air Slash|Flying|Special|75|95|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|49|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|55|Tailwind|Flying|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level5|61|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|67|Hurricane|Flying|Special|120|70|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|73|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level5|79|Hammer Arm|Fighting|Physical|100|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|85|Thrash|Normal|Physical|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Tornadus|Flying|Flying|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Tornadus|Flying|Flying|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM08|Bulk Up|Fighting|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM23|Smack Down|Rock|Physical|50|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM34|Sludge Wave|Poison|Special|95|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM36|Sludge Bomb|Poison|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM41|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|40|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM58|Sky Drop|Flying|Physical|60|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM59|Incinerate|Fire|Special|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM62|Acrobatics|Flying|Physical|55|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM63|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM89|U-turn|Bug|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM02|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Tornadus|Flying|Flying|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Tornadus|Flying|Flying|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Tornadus|Flying|Flying|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Tornadus|flying|flying|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Tornadus|flying|flying|5|5}}

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=None
|sprite1=641
|name1=Tornadus
|type1-1=Flying
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=flying|
gen=5|
gender=none|
name=Tornadus|
ndex=641|
}}

==Trivia==
* Tornadus is the [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|first]] and so far only pure {{type|Flying}} Pokémon. However, other Pokémon were able to become pure Flying-types through their abilities, such as {{p|Kecleon}} and {{p|Arceus}}.
** This also makes him the only purely typed Pokémon with a unique type combination.
* Tornadus and {{p|Thundurus}} have identical base stat distribution.
* Tornadus is the only Generation V [[legendary Pokémon]] with only one type.
* When Tornadus appears on {{rt|7|Unova}}, {{p|Thundurus}}'s cry is heard.
* Tornadus is the last single-type Pokémon and the last green Pokémon in National Dex order.
* Tornadus is the name of a one-time appearance planet on the TV show [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurama Futurama].

===Origin===
Tornadus is based on {{wp|Fūjin}}, the {{wp|kami}} of wind.

====Name origin====
The name Tornadus comes from the word ''tornado''.

Tornelos is also from トルネード, tornado.

==In other languages==
{| align="left" class="roundy" style="border: 3px solid #{{Flying color dark}}; background: #{{Flying color}};"
|-
|
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{Flying color light}};"
|- align=center
! Language
! Name
! Name Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of German Pokémon names|German]]
| Boreos
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of French Pokémon names|French]]
| Boréas
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]
| 토네로스 ''Toneroseu''
|
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| [[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese]] ({{tt|Mandarin|Taiwan and mainland China}})
| 龍捲雲 / 龙卷云 ''Lóngjuǎnyún''
| Means "Tornado cloud".
|}
|-
|}
 

==Notes==
<references />

==External links==
{{Legendary Pokémon}}
{{PokémonPrevNextFoot | prev=Virizion | next=Thundurus | prevnum=640 | nextnum=642 | type=Flying }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Legendary Pokémon obtainable before the Elite Four]]
[[Category:Legendary Trio Pokémon]]
[[Category:Unova Legendary Pokémon]]

[[de:Boreos]]
[[es:Tornadus]]
[[fr:Boréas]]
[[it:Tornadus]]
[[ja:トルネロス]]
[[pl:Tornadus]]

Talk:Sandslash (Pokémon)

2011-01-20T23:53:28Z

Pawsrent: /* El Chupacabras */ new section

== Origin? ==

To me sandslash kind of resembles a enchidna? -- GoldHusky2009 11:55, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

== El Chupacabras ==

Sandshrew may be inspired in part by El Chupacabras. For one thing, the both have spikes going down their backs, the both stand on two legs, Chupacabra is 3-4 feet and Sandslash is 3'03'', and they're both usually found in hot, sometimes sandy, areas. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 23:53, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:BW001

2010-09-08T02:00:08Z

Pawsrent: /* Zekrom Debut */ new section

:I think we shoudnt put Iris in! we dont know if she appears, especially because she has an episode entiteled for her self!
::True, I also think Dento shouldn't be there until it's confirmed he will appear. Speculation and all.. Ive edited it --[[User:S2daam|samm -- ]] 20:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

== Again? ==

Ash really should stop bringing Pikachu to each new region... First he gets sick in Hoenn, then he gets lost in Sinnoh, and now this? I guess we could throw this in trivia?--[[User:Burgundy|Burg]][[User talk: Burgundy|undy]] 22:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

* Sorry, but that is not trivia and it is opinion, so no. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 22:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

== Zekrom Debut ==

It says that Zekrom will debut in the episode. But the title says "Zekrom's '''Shadow'''". Shadow. That doesn't neccesarily mean that it will appear. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 02:00, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon Crystal beta

2010-09-01T13:23:02Z

Pawsrent:

{{game|Crystal}} introduced many features that were used in nearly every game since, including a female playable character and the Battle Tower. The game has very few beta elements compared to its companion games, {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}
[[File:Crystal beta.jpg|thumb]]

==Female character==
Although [[Kris_(game)|Kris]] was introduced in Crystal, a development picture reveals that another girl was in the works. The girl had black hair in pigtails.

==[[Pokémon Communication Center]]==
A development picture revealed an early design of the Pokémon Communication Center.

{{Beta}}
{{Stub|Game}}
[[Category:Pokémon meta]]
[[Category:Games]]

Partner Pokémon

2010-09-01T13:19:36Z

Pawsrent:

[[File:Partner Pokémon SoA.png|frame|Partner Pokémon in Shadows of Almia]]
'''Partner Pokémon''' are [[Pokémon]] who are allowed to always accompany a {{OBP|Pokémon Ranger|Ranger series}} and do not leave after using a [[Poké Assist]] like other Pokémon. So far there are more than 20 partner Pokémon in the three Pokémon Ranger games. In [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]], one can switch there partner at will, but only after completing the necessary quests.

=={{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}==
There are only two partner Pokémon in this game; they are {{p|Plusle}} and {{p|Minun}}. The one which the {{player}} gets depends on their chosen [[gender]], with males receiving Minun and females receiving Plusle.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{ranger color dark}}; font-size:85%; {{roundy|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{ranger color}}"
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background: #e82010; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|fff|Solana|Females}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #0070f8; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|fff|Lunick|Males}}
|-
| colspan="2" align="center" style="width:80px; background:#{{ranger color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | [[Image:311.png]]
| colspan="2" align="center" style="width:80px; background:#{{ranger color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | [[Image:312.png]]
|- align="center"
| colspan="4" style="background:#{{electric color}}" | {{tcolor|Electric|fff}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{ranger color light}}"
| style="{{roundybl|5px}}" | [[File:311msra.png]]
| {{pcolor|Plusle|{{ranger color dark}}}}
| [[File:312msra.png]]
| style="{{roundybr|5px}}" | {{pcolor|Minun|{{ranger color dark}}}}
|}

=={{g|Ranger: Shadows of Almia}}==
The number of possible partner [[Pokémon]] was greatly increased, now up to 17, one for each [[elemental type]]. The {{player}} encounters their first at {{DL|Vientown|Nabiki Beach}}, either {{p|Pachirisu}}, {{p|Starly}} or {{p|Munchlax}}. The two not chosen are obtainable later on in the game. Also, throughout the game, the player can obtain different partner Pokémon by completing certain quests involving the Pokémon. However, {{p|Kricketot}}, {{p|Croagunk}} and {{p|Mime Jr.}} are obtained during the main storyline. The player is only allowed to take one partner at a time. The rest remain at {{DL|Chicole Village|Partner Farm}}.

===Starter partners===
{| align="center" style="background: #{{SoA color dark}}; font-size:85%; {{roundy|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{SoA color}}"
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | [[Image:417.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[Image:396.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | [[Image:446.png]]
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{electric color}}" | {{tcolor|Electric|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{flying color}}" | {{tcolor|Flying|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{normal color}}" | {{tcolor|Normal|fff}}
|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | [[File:417msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Pachirisu|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:396msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Starly|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:446msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{pcolor|Munchlax|{{SoA color dark}}}}
|}

===Additional partners===
{| align="center" style="background: #{{SoA color dark}}; font-size:85%; {{roundy|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{SoA color}}"
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | [[Image:387.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[Image:390.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[Image:393.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[Image:401.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[Image:408.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[Image:410.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | [[Image:439.png]]
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{grass color}}" | {{tcolor|Grass|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{fire color}}" | {{tcolor|Fire|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{water color}}" | {{tcolor|Water|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{bug color}}" | {{tcolor|Bug|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{rock color}}" | {{tcolor|Rock|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{steel color}}" | {{tcolor|Steel|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{psychic color}}" | {{tcolor|Psychic|fff}}
|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:387msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Turtwig|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:390msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Chimchar|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:393msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Piplup|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:401msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Kricketot|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:408msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Cranidos|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:410msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Shieldon|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:439msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Mime Jr.|{{SoA color dark}}}}
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[Image:443.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[Image:449.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[Image:453.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[Image:459.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[Image:066.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[Image:215.png]]
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[Image:200.png]]
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{dragon color}}" | {{tcolor|Dragon|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{ground color}}" | {{tcolor|Ground|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{poison color}}" | {{tcolor|Poison|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{ice color}}" | {{tcolor|Ice|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{fighting color}}" | {{tcolor|Fighting|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{dark color}}" | {{tcolor|Dark|fff}}
| colspan="2" style="background: #{{ghost color}}" | {{tcolor|Ghost|fff}}
|- align="center"
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | [[File:443msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Gible|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:449msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Hippopotas|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:453msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Croagunk|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:459msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Snover|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:066msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Machop|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:215msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | {{pcolor|Sneasel|{{SoA color dark}}}}
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}" | [[File:200msra.png]]
| style="background: #{{SoA color light}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{pcolor|Misdreavus|{{SoA color dark}}}}
|}

=={{g|Ranger: Guardian Signs}}==
In the main storyline, players get to befriend a ukulele-playing {{p|Pichu}} on [[Drop Island]]. Its Assist gets several upgrades as players progress through the game. When playing in the past, due to the fact that the Ukulele Pichu stays in the present, players are allowed to have other partners by obtaining certain items in the different temples. When first arriving in the past, players have a {{p|Piplup}} as their partner.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{GS color dark}}; font-size:85%; {{roundy|10px}} border: 5px solid #{{GS color}}"
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" align="center" style="width:80px; background:#{{GS color light}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[Image:172.png]]
|- align="center"
| colspan="2" style="background:#{{electric color}}" | {{tcolor|Electric|fff}}
|- align="center" style="background: #{{GS color light}}"
| style="{{roundybl|5px}}" | [[File:172msra.png]]
| style="{{roundybr|5px}}" | {{pcolor|Pichu|{{GS color dark}}}}
|}

{{Pokémon Ranger}}

{{Stub|Game}}
{{Project Sidegames notice}}

Talk:Corphish (Pokémon)

2010-08-30T23:22:58Z

Pawsrent: /* Jumping the gun, are we? */

Ok, so what kind of crab is it based on? There's two spellings given for it. And the Wiki article link leads to a 'Wikipedia does not have an article with this name' page--BJG

Sorry. Fixed. -[[User:Argy|Argy]]

I think ''Heike'' is japanese for crayfish.

: 平家蟹【へいけがに】 (n) [[wp:Heikegani|Heikegani]], Heike crab
Not quite... ''Heike'' is Japanese for ''[[wp:Taira|Taira]] family''. More info on the link between this and the crab on the linked-to article. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 03:59, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It seems to be a cross between a crayfish and a lobster to me...--BJG

== Corfish? ==

I found out today that [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,592-1519825,00.html "corfish" is an actual word]. But I can't work out what it means, or how Corphish may be related to it. (Corpshish doesn't look like a codfish, or any kind of fish, after all...)

:I don't know, but they look nothing alike. Their names may be similar, but that's it. I don't see why somebody added a load of crap about the Corfish's biology either. ''empoleon dynamite 12/01/08''

== Name origin ==

Holy fudge... the Name Origin section is a little large. Could someone break it down a little? [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 19:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

== Hey hey! ==

In Mystery Dungeon: Darkness and Time, one of the guild members is a Corphish that always says "Hey hey!" Well, I noticed that the first syllable of its Japanese name is hei, pronounced like hey. In this clip, around 30 seconds, you can clearly hear Ash's Corphish shout "Hei hei!", which sounds like "Hey hey!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqF93w2iLmA&feature=channel_page

Coincidence? {{unsigned|GigaMetroid99}}

:Yes, it is, and please sign your comments. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 22:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

==Edit Request==
{{Animedexheader|Hoenn}}
{{Animedexbody|AG021|Corphish|Ash's Pokédex|Corphish, the Ruffian Pokémon. Corphish uses its sharp pincers to capture prey. It can happily live even in very polluted waters.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|Advanced|Hoenn}}
Please and thank you! [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 00:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

== Jumping the gun, are we? ==

It says in "Trivia" that it may be from the U.S. because Lt. Surge is from there. What?! I don't think that it's safe to assume that. After all, Looker and Fantina are from seperate countries, a Rocket Grunt in GSCHGSS is from a foreign country, and there are many more examples that I could mention. In fact, there are regions that aren't part of the nation that Hoenn is in. They might even be talking about a different region in the same nation. Where in the canon does it say that it's from the U.S.? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 23:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry. Forgot to add the tildes. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 23:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Corphish (Pokémon)

2010-08-30T23:00:44Z

Pawsrent: /* Jumping the gun, are we? */ new section

Ten question marks

2010-08-24T00:28:46Z

Pawsrent: /* Pokédex entries */

{{wrongtitle|??????????}}
:''For other uses of question marks in the [[Pokémon games]], see [[Question marks]].''
{{GlitchPkmnInfobox |
| name=?????????? |
| image=Tenquestionmarks.png
| size=64px
| caption=??????????
| ndex=000
| species=[[Glitch|???????????]]
| typen=1
| type1=Normal
| games=[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire]], {{v2|Emerald}}, {{v2|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}
| hex=00, various slots contribute values 183 and over
| gendercode=127
| catchrate=Varies
| generation=3
}}
'''??????????''' is a [[Glitch Pokémon]] that usually occupies slot 00 (or, to be exact, slot 0000) in [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|Pokémon FireRed, LeafGreen]], [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Ruby, Sapphire]], and {{v2|Emerald}} versions. It was programmed into the game to prevent game crashes. It is not technically a glitch, because unlike [['M|previous]] ([[-----|and]] [[Invisible shiny Bulbasaur|future]]) inhabitants of slot 00, its information was defined by the programmers. (See image below) However ?????????? can also occupy other values of the 65536 slots available; some which can have entirely different base stats, move-sets and abilities and sometimes names that are shortened versions of moves, for example 'KICK' instead of Mega Kick.

??????????'s sprite usually appears as three circles alternating between white and black with a question mark in the center.

==Obtaining ??????????==
[[File:Firered-MissingNo.png|thumb|left|?????????? in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}]]
This glitch data is usually encountered in-game by using a [[GameShark]] or Action Replay code for a Pokémon that doesn't exist.

Another way is to use a GameShark code for quick leveling up in {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}'s [[Pokémon Day Care]]. If any Pokémon is placed into the daycare before the code is activated, after a short while of walking around the Pokémon in the daycare will produce an egg all by itself. The egg will soon hatch into ?????????? at level 0, and cannot be leveled up without Rare Candies, as the experience points required to reach level 1 are infinite. If it is traded to {{v2|Emerald}}, it can be left in the daycare and will instantly be leveled up to 100. At this point, it can learn any of the eight [[HM]] moves and will be safe for the game unless its summary is looked at. But if given rare candies, it will start rapidly learning {{m|Ice Punch}}, even if the player refuses to teach it. This can be fixed by activating the "access fly map" GameShark code. Its National Pokédex number can vary typically from being 0 or over 386 depending on its hexadecimal identifier, if this number is over 1000 then a ? mark is used in the hundreds column eg. ?24
[[File:10Questionmarks.jpg|208px|left|thumb|Battling ??????????]] [[File:Emerald 10 Question marks.png|208px|right|thumb|The summary that freezes the game, viewed in {{game|Emerald}}]]
[[Image:FireRed-MissingNo-Summary.png|208px|right|thumb|The summary that doesn't freeze the game, viewed in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}]]
It can also be put in the daycare with a Ditto and an egg can be received, at which point the game may freeze or slow down for a while. If the egg's summary is looked at, it will always display "It's making sounds. It's about to hatch!". When it hatches the baby Pokémon will be another variant of this glitch (which will always be female), it will ask if the player would like to nickname it. If the player does choose to do this, instead of saying "??????????'s nickname" as it does for other species, it will instead display "Kick's nickname". The reason for this may be because of the fact that some varieties of the Ten question marks glitch or 'Decamarks' of a high hexadecimal identifier share their names with shortened versions of the names of moves. In this case, this Pokémon's name may have originated from the move {{m|Mega Kick}}.

Also, if a player of Ruby or Sapphire mixes records with an Emerald game who has a ?????????? of the hexadecimal identifier 0 in their party, and then battles the Emerald player at their [[secret base]], the glitch Pokémon will transfer over and be able to be fought, but the enemy ?????????? will be level zero, and faint immediately after being attacked, possibly due to the fact that hex 0 is used as a placeholder in most advance and onwards Pokémon games and therefore when fought in a normal trainer battle would appear to have no HP at all.

Another way to obtain ?????????? is to use [[GameShark]] or Action Replay to catch a [[Hoenn]] or [[Johto]] Pokémon in its original area ''before'' obtaining the [[National Pokédex]] as the game would search for a Pokémon with the regional Pokédex number rather than the national Pokédex number, for example if the player was to normally encounter a {{p|Yanma}} instead the game would search for a Pokémon with a regional Pokédex value of 193, possibly resulting in an encounter of another variety of this glitch with a different moveset and ability or {{p|Regirock}} if the game was Ruby Sapphire or Emerald.

An alternative method to obtain this Pokémon is to use an Action Replay code to teleport to an area where a wild Pokémon can be captured before getting a [[starter Pokémon]] from either [[Professor Birch]] or [[Professor Oak]]. If a wild Pokémon battle is initiated, the player will send out a ?????????? with 0/0 HP with a hexadecimal identifier of 0. If the Pokémon gets hit, the player will white out and be sent to a [[Pokémon Center]] where 65536 [[Poké Ball]]s will begin to appear in seemingly random locations all over the screen due to the fact that the game will refer to the number 0 as one over a full 2 bytes (65535). A very similar effect occurs when one performs a variation of a glitch involving the [[Pomeg Berry]]; when the Pokémon's HP goes below 0 it will skip to the largest value. This system uses two bytes so the Pokémon's HP will start to drop down from 65535.

After this Pokémon is captured, if one chooses to nickname ?????????? or look at it in the party screen, its sprite may appear as a gold-colored {{p|Bulbasaur}} which possibly suggests that Nintendo was originally planning to make thumbnail images of shiny Pokémon and this thumbnail was the last stable sprite that remained. It could also be because this Pokémon uses Bulbasaur's data for it's icon, and simply uses icon palate 0 as a default because it is undefined. Another way to see this glitch is to use the walk through walls code, and go to the Link Cable area and battle. Since there is no connected opponent, this glitch appears instead (as value 000). There is also a difference between the shiny and normal color: the white on the shiny Pokémon appears to be darker.

==Item==
[[File:FireRed 10 Question marks.png|thumb|A ???????? in the bag in {{game|FireRed}}]]
An item may be [[held item|held]] by it, indicated as ????????, with a description in the [[bag]] of ????? and can only make a Pokémon that is holding it become glitched if migrated to either Pokémon [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond or Pearl]]. If it is attempted to be used, [[Professor Oak]] will tell the player "the time isn't right" to use the item. With the help of a [[GameShark]], it can be bought at the [[Poké Mart]] for {{PDollar}}0 but cannot be sold as the [[Poké Mart]] cashier tells the player "Oh, no. I can't buy that.".

==??????????==
There is another type of ??????????. Its sprite is the same sprite for an unseen Pokémon on the Pokédex for RSE. It is obtained by incorrect/corrupted GameShark WPM codes. Its National Pokédex number is ?87.

This is a very dangerous glitch: it can cause many problems to one's game, such as no longer being able to see wild Pokémon. When encountered, the game will appear to freeze, but then the music for legendary Pokémon will play. It has no cry and is always female. It is also asleep when encountered, but when caught it is poisoned. The item it holds will be the first item the player used during battle. When caught, it will have abnormal stats that cause the game to freeze when its summary is viewed, but when taken to a Pokémon Center, its summary will be safe to look at. It can only level up with Rare Candies. Its first type is blank, and the second type is Steel, but it is only {{type2|Steel}}, and its ability is {{a|Overgrow}}.

If put in a box, and if the player tries to pick it up with the white hand, the player will appear to pick a copy of it up, but is a [[bad egg]], which freezes the game when summary is looked at. This will now happen to every Pokémon one tries to pick up with the white hand. To fix this, the player can just exit, and re-enter the PC box. To move it, one should use the yellow hand by pressing the 'Select' button of the Game Boy Advance. Also, if it is switched with another Pokémon when held in the yellow hand, the game freezes.

If it is taken to the move tutor, it will have a long list of {{m|Ice Punch}}es.

It cannot be traded, via either the Union Room or Cable Club. If attempted to be traded to another game, the game will glitch in different ways depending on location. In the Union Room, the screen may blur, the Union Room turns black and the game crashes. In the link room, the game of the player that trades it will restart as if he/she just turned their Game Boy on (all the way to the Game Boy screen).

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
[[Image:Tenquestionmarks-Pokédex.png|thumb|left|Emerald entry]]
[[File:FireRed-PokedexMissingNo.png|thumb|right|FireRed and LeafGreen entry]]
{{Dex
|type=normal
|gen=3
|rubydex=This is a newly discovered Pokémon. It is currently under investigation.
|sapphiredex=This is a newly discovered Pokémon. It is currently under investigation.
|emeralddex=This is a newly discovered Pokémon. It is currently under investigation. No detailed information is available at this time.
|firereddex=(blank)
|leafgreendex=(blank)

|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=normal |
gen=3 |
rsrarity=[[Cheating]] |
rsarea=[[Cheating]] |
erarity=[[Cheating]] |
earea=[[Cheating]] |
frlgrarity=[[Cheating]] |
frlgarea=[[Cheating]] |
dprarity=None |
dparea=[[Pal Park]] |
ptrarity=None |
ptarea=[[Pal Park]] |
palarea=Unknown |
}}

===Base stats===
{|style="background-color: transparent;"
|-
|style="text-align:right;"|HP:
!style="text-align:left;"|0
|<div class="statbar" style="background-color: red; width: 0px; height: 10px; border: 1px solid black; overflow: hidden;"> </div>
|-
|style="text-align:right;"|Attack:
!style="text-align:left;"|0
|<div class="statbar" style="background-color: rgb(240,128,48); width: 0px; height: 10px; border: 1px solid black; overflow: hidden;"> </div>
|-
|style="text-align:right;"|Defense:
!style="text-align:left;"|0
|<div class="statbar" style="background-color: rgb(248,208,48); width: 0px; height: 10px; border: 1px solid black; overflow: hidden;"> </div>
|-
|style="text-align:right;"|SpAtk:
!style="text-align:left;"|0
|<div class="statbar" style="background-color: rgb(104,144,240); width: 0px; height: 10px; border: 1px solid black; overflow: hidden;"> </div>
|-
|style="text-align:right;"|SpDef:
!style="text-align:left;"|0
|<div class="statbar" style="background-color: rgb(120,200,80); width: 0px; height: 10px; border: 1px solid black; overflow: hidden;"> </div>
|-
|style="text-align:right;"|Speed:
!style="text-align:left;"|0
|<div class="statbar" style="background-color: rgb(248,88,136); width: 0px; height: 10px; border: 1px solid black; overflow: hidden;"> </div>
|}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=normal|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 0 |
Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{Movelistglitch|normal|normal|3|??????????}}
{{mlentry3|Start|Tackle|Normal|35|95|35|Tough|4|0||'''}}
{{mlentry3|4|Growl|Normal|—|100|40|Cute|2|0}}
{{mlentry3|7|Leech Seed|Grass|—|90|10|Smart|2|2}}
{{mlentry3|10|Vine Whip|Grass|35|100|10|Cool|4|4}}
{{mlentry3|15|PoisonPowder|Poison|—|75|35|Smart|3|0}}
{{mlentry3|15|Sleep Powder|Grass|—|75|15|Smart|1|3}}
{{mlentry3|20|Razor Leaf|Grass|55|95|25|Cool|3|0}}
{{mlentry3|21|Sweet Scent|Normal|—|100|20|Cute|1|3}}
{{mlentry3|25|Growth|Normal|—|—|40|Beauty|1|0}}
{{mlentry3|33|Synthesis|Grass|—|—|5|Smart|1|0}}
{{mlentry3|37|SolarBeam|Grass|120|100|10|Smart|4|0}}
{{movelist/note|3|normal|normal}}

==Trivia==
* There are many other variations of this Pokémon in the Generation III games. Their images are the same as ??????????'s, but the individual sprites can be backwards, differently colored, upside down, or any of several other minor differences in appearance.
* Many variations of this glitch Pokémon are named after moves or fragments of a move's name (truncated to the game maximum of ten characters) (e.g. POUND, CHOP, RBOLT, WING ATTACK, ICK ATTACK, and so on.) This is due to the hexadecimal identifier of the variation calling for a name from text just past where Pokémon names are stored, the text where move names are stored.
* In the Generation I and II games, hexadecimal slots were from 00 to FF, totaling to exactly 256 Pokémon slots available. However, in the Generation III games, the hexes are from 0000 to FFFF, allowing ''thousands'' (65,536 to be exact) of Pokémon to be defined. However, only 439 (counting {{pkmn|Egg}}, {{p|Unown}} forms, {{p|Deoxys}} formes and 25 {{gp|?}}) were defined, filling the remaining 65,097 slots with ?????????? variants, or "decamarks," as they are commonly referred to.
* Analysis of ??????????'s moveset has yielded {{p|Bulbasaur}}'s exact [[Bulbasaur (Pokémon)/Generation III learnset|Generation III learnset]]. However, the moves are all learned at different levels.
* It has been stated that there are also similar glitch Pokémon called ??????????? and ????????????, though there is no evidence to support this.
* There may be similar glitch Pokémon in the Generation IV games, but there has been no known investigation into this matter.
* One of ???????????'s Pokédex numbers, '''#?87''', also appears as an item number when using infinite item Gameshark codes.
* A project (dubbed 'Melchior') exists on [[Glitch City Laboratories]] concerning the research of the 65,097 variations of ?????????? (decamarks), although this is not a serious project of the site and is not expected to be completed in the near future.
* If the player catches a variant of ?????????? and attempts to rename it, the renaming screen may show ??????????'s sprite as being a {{p|Bulbasaur}}'s sprite, but with a gold palette.

==External links==
* [http://forums.glitchcity.info/index.php/topic,2094.0.html DecDex-Decamark variation list (Melchior X)]
* [http://glitchcity.info/glitchdex/rubysapphire/tenquestion Glitch City Laboratories - Glitch Dex - ??????????]

{{GlitchPkmn}} 
{{Project Glitchdex notice}}
[[Category:Glitches]]

[[pl:??????????]]

Talk:Steven Stone

2010-08-23T20:21:18Z

Pawsrent: /* NPC of Kanto? */

did Pokenai give an age estimation for him? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 03:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

The image in the Character Infobox is faded. Can someone replace it? --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:If people want, I can try to change the brightness and contrast balance to try to optimize the picture...it STILL looks faded... [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 03:21, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
::That's not going to help that failure of an image, and please look at the dates on comments before you respond. The comment you replied to is over a year old, and the image has been altered since then. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon Emerald dialog mistake ==

As mentioned in the trivia, Steven mistakenly says Sootopolis Space Center instead of Mossdeep Space Center. But is this from the Japanese version or did Nintendo of America screwed up? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 11:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

== Emerald Meteor Falls Battle ==

I hope someone answer this, when you battle with him, can you battle him another time. Like, I battle him twice?--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 13:35, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think so. I'm pretty sure you can only fight him once. I may be wrong, however. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 13:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== In Johto ==

Steven in Johto (HGSS) must be added.
He is giving away Torchic, Mudkip, Treecko to Hibiki/Kotone

--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 03:17, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:It's already there. Read the articles closely before posting, please. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:34, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::I found him at [[Pewter Museum of Science]] but, I can't trade something with him. Where can I trade for [[Beldum]]? --[[User:Nechigawara|Nechigawara]]-[[User talk:Nechigawara|Talking]] 06:55, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
:::You have to beat Red and get one of the Hoenn starters first, then you can trade with Steven.[[User:Reign|Reign]] 05:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Thanks!! But, I found the how to before you reply and add it in the entry. Sorry for not respond when I founded it ^^". --[[User:Nechigawara|Nechigawara]]-[[User talk:Nechigawara|Talking]] 11:47, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== Emerald Tag Battle ==

I'll be approaching this in my file soon, so let me ask ahead of time, would his Pokemon in Emerald's tag battle against Team Magma be alright to add? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 19:22, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:It's already there under the first battle. →''[[User:Tina|'''T'''inā]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 19:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::Oh sorry, didn't see it there. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 19:33, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
IIRC, it's the only tag battle where you can use items on your ''partner's'' Pokémon. [[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 20:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Hoenn Starter in HGSS ==
I beat Red and caught Latias but he won't appear in Silph Co. :\ --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
:I had the same problem, and I currently have the same problem with getting beldum. I've met all the requirements, and he's not appearing. I think there may be more to it than all those, mabye a certain time or day he's in there. [[User:S Ninja D|S Ninja D]] 20:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::I found the problem. I had rotom is the fridge form, when I stored the fridge and put it back in the PC, Steven, the receptionist, and guard were there. I'll add a note to this page and on the hoenn starters. [[User:S Ninja D|S Ninja D]] 00:53, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Did you have a full party? Because I don't think it's the Rotom causing it. Celebrating1 year'''''OF'''''... [[User:CuboneKing|Cubone]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|'''King''']] 01:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

to get him to appear to trade for beldum u have to find him at the pewter museum first after beating red[[User:Mulhollinman|Mulhollinman]] 00:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

== Add a quote from HGSS? ==
When you encounter Steven in HGSS, he mentoins that he couldn't have met you before, since all of the trainers that battle with him seem to look the same. Was wondering if this would be worthy of mentioning; it seemed interesting to me, at least, that he acknowledged the fact that all of us look the same in-game. [[User:Vhazhiphor|Vhazhiphor]] 06:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Rather than anything meta-related, I think it's more evidence of his aloofness - this, along with at the end of the Enigma Crystal event when he reveals that ''he hasn't even bothered to learn your name''. However, this could just be me fanwanking over the tiniest bits of information about my favorite character, so I'll just put that out there and let other, less biased people be the judge. :V [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 15:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== NPC of Kanto? ==

In the tag listing the NPCs of Kanto and the Sevii Islands it includes Steven Stone. Shouldn't he be in NPCs of Hoenn? Because I'm sure he never appears in FRLG. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 16:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:Have played HGSS?--[[User:Dennou Zenshi|でんのう]] ☢ [[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|'''Z'''えんし]] 16:16, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
::Oh, yeah, forgot about that. But they could make it a little bit clearer. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 20:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Steven Stone

2010-08-23T16:13:15Z

Pawsrent: /* NPC of Kanto? */

Talk:Steven Stone

2010-08-23T16:12:53Z

Pawsrent: /* NPC of Kanto? */ new section

Talk:Snivy (Pokémon)

2010-08-22T20:43:58Z

Pawsrent: /* Chlorophyll */ new section

{{forums notice|March 31, 2011}}

== origin ==
Given that the "ja" means "snake" (acording to Pokebeach), I think it is safe to assume that Tsutaaja is based on a snake. Mind putting that in the page? --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 00:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The same post that told us these names on 2ch, said Tsutaaja is the くさへびポケモン (Grass Snake Pokémon).
Tsuta (蔦) means ivy and Ja is another reading for hebi (蛇), which means snake.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 01:02, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:How many snakes do you know have feet? I doubt that is a correct translation. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::The translation is pretty accurate, the source may be not. But the source has nailed the description of the protagonists, the region name, the fact that the other starters were a fire pig and a sea otter before the scans leaked... And I have seen freaky snakes with legs.. XD Mutations nonetheless. And that would be "Grass Snake" as in a snake of/from grass, not as in the real world species "Grass Snake".--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 01:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::There actually is a type of snake with legs, albeit really small ones. It's native to Australia, if I remember right. I know they have one at the Cairns Zoo, anyway. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opheodrys_aestivus this doesn't have feet, but it looks like tsutaaja [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxybelis_fulgidus I would sooner assume Tsutaaja is based off of a Vine Snake. In fact, I'd say it's fairly definite. [[User:Flint|Flint]] 20:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::: I think Origin should just mention grass snakes (green kind mostly) instead of getting very technical with species, seeing as there is far too many snakes that Tsutaaja may be based on. And maybe that early tidbit of a very few snakes having legs could also be mentioned. And is it just me, or does the collar it has kinda makes it resemble an unripened banana? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::: It looks to me as though Tsutaaja may have been based off of a skink of sort, however skinks are closer related to lisards than snakes. I also think because this is a Pokémon that the collaring may have just as likely come from the fact that it is a grass type species. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 9:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== bad grammar in the Origin section ==

Can we fix this?: "Tsutaaja may be based off a lizard or a snake. Its shared traits with boths make it similar to skinks."
It should be "... with both makes it similar...". my dictionary and i are fairly sure "boths" isn't a word and the grammar in that sentence is atrocious anyway. --[[User:Lulu chan126|Lulu chan126]] 22:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== images ==

Uhh, I have the three guys images saved, to upload, if a mod can do that...
[http://img24.imageshack.us/i/497pokabu.png/][http://img219.imageshack.us/i/500mijumaru.png/][http://img10.imageshack.us/i/494tsutaaja.png/] [[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 05:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

:As do I, but I Beilieve the Admin isn't allowing editing for those Images . . . not that any are even there. --[[User:Lordrogersmith6485|Lordrogersmith6485]] 07:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::I've seen them on Legendary Pokémon fan site. Not sure if it is okay to use them. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::sprites too, along with zoroark's...[http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1666/spritesu.png] {{unsigned|Megadog}}

== height ==

the height and weight of it is 0.6 m and 8.1 kg {{unsigned|Pokemonemerfan1954}}
:Got a source that isn't Serebii? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::Filb.de, trom. '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 13:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Acceptable Speculation? ==
Is it alright to add in details that have been present for all of the Pokemon starters so far; such as EXP At Level 100, EXP Yield, and Gender Ratio? After four generations of Pokemon games having them identical, it's highly unlikely to be different this time. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 11:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Passing off unsourced speculation as fact is bad. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:: You say that, but the starters all have National Dex numbers (494, etc.). Where does ''that'' information come from? I know it's an educated guess, but at the moment it's still just a guess. The same goes for the types - do we know they're all pure types? ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] 13:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::We know at least one of their types. So we put that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Should we at least list their secondary types as {{type2|???}} to indicate that we only know their primary types? -[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 07:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Name romanization ==

Why are we romanizing the name as "Tsutaaja"? {{bp|Manual of style/Romanization}} states that macrons should be used instead of doubling letters, unless the trademarked romanization begs to differ. And there is no trademarked romanization (I scoured the trademark database last night) - we don't even have official confirmation that these ''are'' the starters' names.

I mean, I personally don't like macrons, but shouldn't we romanize it as "Tsutāja," as per the MoS? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Most people would link to the redirect anyway... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::Shouldn't we just call it Tsutaja? When {{p|Piplup|Pocchama}} was first revealed it was just romanized as Pochama on this site. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 21:47, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's not going to stick this way anyway, I'd just leave it. Unless we rename the page [http://kotaku.com/5538319/pokemons-smugleaf-a-meme-in-the-making/ Smugleaf]. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 03:22, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

::::No, we should use this name 'tsutaaja' till we don't gate its official English name..! -{{u|Amitrc7th}}

:::::FYI, this site would prefer to use trademarked romaji if it's available. We never romanized ポッチャマ as Potchama or Pocchama because we were given both the official katakana and the official romaji (Pochama) on the same day. We should have official romaji soon, and I'm pretty sure that no official romaji has ever used a macron, so this whole issue should be a moot point soon. [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 06:59, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Height and Weight ==

Got this from Pokebeach:

Height: 0.6m (2ft)

Weight: 8.1kg (17.9Ibs) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 00:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:Well, you don't really have to look at pokebeach for that one. You can just look at the scans. XD
:But yeah, those (in metric system) are accurate. And I don't really understand why haven't anyone added those. o_O They added the ability and species, but those are on the very same scan as height and weight. Also, the name origin is pretty much a given already. Can someone add all those, please?--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 04:56, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== In the anime ==
Tsutarja, is a reptile-based [[Grass-type]] [[starter]] Pokémon. Since [[Ash Ketchum]] (Satoshi) has captured all the Grass-type starters and most of reptile-like Pokémons, it is highly possible that he will get this Pokémon somehow in Black and White saga (if he is going to appear in this anime saga). -{{u|Amitrc7th}}
:That's speculation. Bulbapedia has rules against speculation, so it won't be added to the page until he catches it (if he does). By the way, please put new comments at the bottom of the page. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Please bring these conversation to the forums.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 10:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Here's the sprite I uploaded onto Bulbagarden Archives from CoroCoro: [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:44, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

[[File:SpriteTstuaaja.png|thumb|right]]

== This needs to be moved. ==

To Tsutāja. You know, long a's and stuff. [[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 19:45, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:I believe that the reason the article is at Tsutaaja for the time being is that we want to avoid using extraneous characters whenever possible in page titles. For some reason, it puts a strain on the server. At least, that's what I recall us deciding awhile back... I could be wrong, though. Either way, the double "a" indicates the same sound without the special character. --[[User:Politoed666|''P'' ''o'']] [[User talk:Politoed666|''L'' ''i'']] 19:48, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==Origin==
Haven't you noted Tsutaaja's striking resemblance to {{wp|Uroplatus phantasticus|this gecko}}? A reptile with a tail that looks like a leaf. It has rather huge eyes, too, just like Tsutaaja. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 21:34, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:Eh it's a possibility, but since it's a "snake" Pokémon I doubt it...[[User:.insomniac.|«ιɴsσ]]м[[User_talk:.insomniac.|ɴιαc»]] 07:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::But do we have any snakes that also have a leaf-like tail? Sure snakes with legs exist, but Tsutaaja does seem to have characteristics of both snakes and lizards. I don't think this debate will ever end... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 16:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Hey look, it's a {{p|Treecko}}. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 00:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I really think this might be a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_Snake glass snake]. They're actually lizards, but they resemble snakes. The leafy tail must be just decoration. :P -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 14:04, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:We will know more about this Pokémon come the English-language release (or, if we're lucky, the Jp release). Until then we will go on the most vague sort of information we've got. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:46, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

== Physiology ==

"Tsutaaja is a Grass-type lizard-like Pokémon. "
That should read "Tsutaaja is a Grass-type Snake Pokemon" or "snake-like Pokemon"

It's Japanese name and species name clearly define it as a snake, regardless of whether or not it has legs, officially, it is a snake. -Daisuke
:Appearance wise, it's a lizard.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Not necesarilly. There ''are'' types of snakes with legs. If anyone has a list of animals at Cairns Zoo in Queensland, Australia, they have them there. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 08:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Name dispute ==

As stated [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=63621 here], http://www.pokabu.com/ and http://www.mijumaru.com/ are both correctly registered by TPCi, but there's no tsutaaja.com. There is a correctly registered http://www.tsutarja.com/ though. This is the closest we'll get right now to a trademarked name, and this romanization has been used on other sites before. Should this be changed?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 18:21, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Meh, I say keep it as it is, and create Tsutarja as a redirect. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::How come? That was a fandone romanization, while this one's official.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 18:39, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Aren't all romanizations fandone at heart? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::::...no... It's called [[List of Japanese Pokémon names|trademarked romaji]].--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 19:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Hm, it seems then that it is Tsutarja. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
As well, Filb is calling the Pokémon Tsutāja. Is this just another romanization of the name? –'''[[User:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User talk:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 05:52, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 05:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::I still don't understand. It's written Tsutaaja, on the show they pronounce it Tsutaaja, there's no other way to read it than Tsutaaja...But they call its Tsutarja? There's a big difference. If it was Tsutarja, it would probably be ツタアルジャ, not　ツタアージャ. --[[User:Raktoner|Raktoner]] 19:45, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::No, that is not how it works. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::They ''did'' pronounce it as "tah-jah" on Pokemon Sunday though. If that means anything. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 23:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Five char limit in Pokemon, even if they changed the limit for JP games... it wouldn't be ツタアージャ (romanized as "Tsutaa'aja", I believe?), and "アー" can be romanized as an "ar" sometimes. Also... I'm pretty sure they also pronounced "Pocket Monsters" as "poketto monsutaa" on Pokesun (from what I can hear anyway, they talk too faaaaaast). So yeah. D: ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually there isn't a big difference between Tsutaaja and Tsutarja. It's called a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotic_and_non-rhotic_accents non-rhotic] r. You may have noticed that people from London or Boston tend to not pronounce the letter r when it's and the end of a word or before a consonant. Well, in Japanese the r sound can only ever come before a vowel, so when the letter r is at the end of a word or before a consonant they tend to approximate the sound with a long a, sometimes written aa. Take my name, Peter, for example. Someone from London or Boston would probably drop the r sound at the end, and likewise the Japanese approximate it as ピーター and pronounce it Piitaa. R's before consonants or at the ends of words are almost always approximated by a long a and not a ル. {{unsigned|Drapion}}
::::Exactly, what Drapion said! I still pronounce it the same!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 07:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Actually, that's really interesting. And to think I put a rant about this on pokecharms the other day... But you're right. I just think it's a little on the odd side is all, I guess. --[[User:Raktoner|Raktoner]] 22:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Heh yeah the whole thing is sort of strange. Basically they're using an english-ish pronunciation and putting that into Japanese. Using ā for ar/er is common for this. Hamburger is ハンバーガー (hanbāgā), Earnest is アーネスト (ānesuto), Schumaker is シュメイカー (shumeikā), etc. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 03:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

== Bird of Paradise Flower ==

I know that the new pokemon is based on a grass snake, but if you look at it's snout and it's tail, it reminds me of a {{wp|Strelitzia}} a.k.a. the Bird of Paradise Flower. I know that this is a foolish question, but I suggest that you should put that in to what the new pokemon is based of in Origin? - [[User:Cynthia149]] 09:12, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:I believe this got a "no" when you suggested it before... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:56, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:: I contacted that question to [[User:TTEchidna]] weeks ago, and he said that the origin will be changed when more info is unleashed. You have a look at the flower when the pod is closed, and then you will see the resembelence to this new Pokemon. - [[User:Cynthia149]] 20:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:::If that's what he said, then that's what we're going by. We have not gotten any more information on the starters since then. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::When the information is ''unleashed''? Is it going to turn into a [[wp:Sonic Unleashed|werewolf?]] -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

==Moves==

According to a video, This pokemon either used Razor Leaf or Leaf Storm, I am not sure which...[[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 09:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's Leaf Storm, to clarify. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 14:38, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:But we don't know what level it learns it at, so there's not really anywhere we can put it in the article.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Physiology to be added by admins ==

I wrote up a physical description of Tsutarja for the Physiology section, since as of now it's pretty sparce. I know there's certain info that can't be added as of now, but I don't see why we can't have basic appearance descriptions. Besides, Pokabu has a much more extensive Physiology section. It's up for use if someone wants to add it.

"Tsutarja is a reptilian Grass-type Pokémon. Most of its body is green in coloration, while it has a cream-colored underside. A yellow stripe runs down the length of its back and tail, and it also has yellow markings around its large eyes. Yellow, curved structures protrude from its shoulders and bend backwards. These structures resemble leaves or small wings and give Tsutarja the appearance of wearing a collar. In spite of being snake-like in appearance, it has fully-developed limbs. Its slender arms are the same green color as the rest of its body and have three fingers, while its tiny feet match its underside in coloration and have no digits whatsoever. It has large, palmate leaf with three prongs on the end of its tail.

[[User:Togeknight|~Destruction on Wings~]] 02:21, 25 June 2010 (UTC)Togeknight

== First Evolution? ==

In the recent Black/White Anime series leak on [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Anime_season_title_revealed Bulbanews], an image was released that includes what looks to be first evolutions for, at the very least, Tsutarja and Mijumaru. I think Pokabu's first evolution is there as well next to the new female character. Either way, is there any way to crop down those images and place them in the articles, or is this a case of "wait for clearer images?" --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantomjunkie]] 17:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

that thing looks nothing like pokabu...even more so than the whole remoraid octillery thing ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC))
:This is both a case of clearer images. Anything like that would be speculation. It may look the same, but may not be related. We'd need further confirmation. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 17:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Tsutarja's evolution's name is Kenayake (ケナャーケ) [[User:Vkickass|Vkickass]] 21:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

:Even the biggest scans I can find of them are too small for them to be sharpened and still be readable, but the katakana would be ケナヤーケ, not ケナャーケ, which is Kenayaake, but if it follows Tsutarja, it's probably gonna be Kenayarke. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Goldenpelt]] 23:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure it says Tsutakake (ツタケーク), but even if that what it says, we have absolutely no idea if that's the final name for it. (I say this because, on the character sheet in question, Tsutarja is called "Ivy" and Mijumaru is called something like "Rakkomaru." Uhh...?) [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 00:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I suggest we leave the matter alone until something official pops up. The character sheet's names are small, and up to interpretation. And even if we manage to find which translation is correct, the name could change at any time. And to that point, the design itself could change since it appeared on beta artwork.--[[User:Element03|Element03]] 00:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::::Yes, but this was beta artwork for the ''animé'', not the games. I'm sure the finalized versions of the Pokémon were set long before that beta artwork was released.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|junkie]] 01:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Smugleaf ==

Since we mentioned the "so i herd u liek mudkipz" internet meme in the trivia section on Mudkip's page, should we mention the "Smugleaf" internet meme in the trivia page for this article? - [[User:Gold Dialga|Gold Dialga]]
:Because "so i herd u like mudkipz" was added to Mudkips trivia it would make sens to put it in there. But do the admins realy want information on something as unofficial as memes? I think it would be best to wait for a response from a member of the Bulbagarden staff. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 2:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::How far has this new meme spread? "so i herd u liek mudkipz" was a well established meme by the time we added it. Does this even come close? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:47, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I beleve it was created by a youtuber calld IAMTHEOBNXIOUSDOUCHE. It has three vidios making it a small series, all three vidios currantly have together have 8188 veiws. The first vidio was posted two months ago. The only article I've seen about it anywher els (there may be more outside of this) is KOTAKU who apparently claimed it as there own creation. In short it is not very well known but it is growing.[[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 3:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::::It's spread to a forum populated almost entirely by Sonic fans, and the users of that forum will probably be referring to it as Smugleaf until the English name is revealed. I think that's pretty far for a Pokémon-related internet meme. - [[User:Gold Dialga|Gold Dialga]]
:::::If thats true would it be right to say that the meme had earnd it the nickname Smugleaf, because that may be a piece of trivia to mention in the future. (assuming that the official name does not actualy become Smugleaf wich it most likely will not) [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 3:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::Basically, most people know Tsutarja as Smugleaf. Its far easier to say/type, and has become widespread. It started literally the first day the starters were announced. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 23:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::But that still makes it a fan-made nickname, should we mention it in the trivia section or leave it alone?[[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 7:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I say we mention it in trivia - [[User:Gold Dialga|Gold Dialga]]
:::::::::So hey, who remembers the fan nicknames that were given to the fourth-gen starters before their English names were revealed?
:::::::::...Yeah, that's right, neither do I. And four years from now, I'll bet no one will remember "Smugleaf" either. So, I say not notable. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:43, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/smugleaf --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 02:56, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Maybe we should wait until this nickname becomes a little more widespread. The point at which it would be considered widespread enough to add to the page could be decided by the Bulbapedia staff. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 03:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::: The nickname isn't the real dispute its the meme based on a youtube vidio that we thougt should be put in. [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 10:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:Can we please just drop it until, as {{u|Steph}} says, things are handled a bit better in the sense we wait? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:13, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Everywhere I looked when the Gen4 starters were released, they were referred to by their Japanese name. Tsutarja, however, seems to carry the name Smugleaf with it everywhere it goes. It's a very widespread nickname from what I can tell. I've yet to meet any Pokémon fan who doesn't refere to it by this nickname so I see no reason for it to be exluded from the trivia section. Less significant things have made it into articals before and stuck. However, this so-called youtube meme... I've never heard of it.[[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] 02:08, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
::If it's name does turn out to be Smugleaf, it'll go down. Just wait. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I think it could be added after we get an English name. Also, I think it should be noted that the name was mentioned in my Official Nintendo Magazine Australia and New Zealand as a popular fan name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:17, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Pics or it didn't happen. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::[http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w355/SnorlaxMonster/IMG.jpg] It's too big for the archives, so I uploaded it to Photobucket. Pics prove it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::No idea that magazine even existed. I really only wanted the pics for the proof of the magazine :D Can you write an article on it? Also... [[a:File:NZAU Magazine Scan.jpg|I think I might just be awesome. Or something]] :D —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== About its National number ==

Yes. We know. {{p|Victini}} is #000 in the Isshu dex. This means nothing right now about its National number. Think of it this way: they put Victini at #000 so that you'd not know right off the bat getting it how many other Pokémon there are to find, especially given that it's gonna be an early event, like Manaphy. If you got Mew just after you got your starter in RBY, you'd know there's 151 Pokémon in Kanto. Same with Celebi in GSC, Deoxys in RSE, and so on. This is a failsafe to make Pokémon feel less like "let's see how many they added" and more like "oh, there's so many of these things, I wonder what they all are...". Sure, futile anyway, given that we'll likely have access to the games and have figured out everything by the day after it comes out... but still. An admirable solution to that huge-empty-Pokédex problem we've had since Gen I.

Tsutarja, until further notice, is staying at #494. We cannot assume anything different than it directly following Arceus, just as Chikorita followed Mew, Treecko followed Celebi, and Turtwig followed Deoxys. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:I completely agree.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:07, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== Poor Origin Species Choice ==

The Origin Section on Tsutarja's page lables it as "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opheodrys_aestivus Opheodrys aestivus], more commonly known as the rough green snake or green grass snake". I honsetly STRONGLY disagree with this noition. Other than the somewhat-similar color scheme, there's not TOO much in common- the face is WAY too different. I think that Tsutarja is MUCH more likely based on a somewhat-popular species [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Oxybelis_fulgidus_4.jpg known] [http://www.naturfoto-cz.de/photos/sevcik/green-vine-snake--oxybelis-fulgidus.jpg as the] [http://travel.mongabay.com/animals/080923/600/brnxz_711.jpg Vine] [http://www.jmg-galleries.com/blog_images/best_photos_2009/9_TRAVEL_COSTARICA_JMG9804_c.jpeg Snake]. The Vine Snake is a snake species found all throughout the Americas. Specifically notice the very similar ''pointed nose'', that the Rough Green Snake notably lacks. Also note the similar nostril and the very sharp line that passes straight through it's eye. ...Thoughts? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 04:25, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:I think you may be right.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

== evolutionary lvls ==

Shouldn't we write evolves at lvl 16 and will evolve a second time at 36. or somthing along thoes lines. Becasue we all know thoes are the evolutionary levles for all starters.--[[User:Megamaxxor|'''''Mega''''']][[User talk:Megamaxxor|'''maxxor''']]-- 00:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:Confirmation. We need it before we add anything to the articles.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 00:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::Monferno: evolves from Chimchar at 14. Grotle: evolves from Turtwig at 18 and into Torterra at 32. So yeah, it isn't confirmed without confirmation. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:16, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

NO! Turtwig evolvs at 16 i already checked [[User:Megamaxxor|'''''Mega''''']][[User talk:Megamaxxor|'''maxxor''']]-- 00:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:Turtwig is my favorite Pokémon, I should know. Because that isn't proof, see {{p|Turtwig|this article}}. It says Turtwig evolves at 18. I also know because I have a level 17 Turtwig and it never once said it was going to evolve. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::{{u|Turtwig A|TA}}'s right. We won't know for sure until its officially revealed. There's nothing wrong with waiting. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 00:29, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Trust me, they could break entirely with tradition here. For all we know, all three of this new [[country]]'s starters could evolve for the first time at level 30 and the second time at level 55. Yes, if the previous countries' patterns actually counted for anything, this would suggest that all three starters would evolve first at level 16 and the second time around level 36, but there's no guarantee that the country of Isshu has to adhere to any odd-numbered-generation patterns that the countries of Kanto and Hoenn might have otherwise implied...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 00:53, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Anyway, there is no pattern. Currently the starters evolve from level 14-18, then 30-36. There isn't very much consistency, especially not enough for us to assume anything. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:10, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Head shaped like Cyndaquil's ==

I noticed Tsutarja's head is shaped alot like Cyndaquil's head. Would this be worth mentioning in the physiology section? After all, it is also mentioned that Piplup looks a little like Torchic and Pachirisu resembling Pikachu. Also worth mentioning its resemblance to Treecko and all grass starters so far being reptilian? --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 10:10, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Uh... no. First of all, I don't see the resemblance. Secondly, in the two cases you cited, the resemblance is far more than superficial. Piplup and Torchic are both small bird Pokémon with ovoid heads, tiny beaks, etc. When you consider that they're the only bird-based starter Pokémon, that can make for worthwhile trivia. Pachirisu and Pikachu are obviously similar—both are electric-type, small rodent Pokémon which store electricity in their cheeks... but Tsutarja is snake-or-lizard-like, while Cyndaquil is like a shrew; their eyes are noticably different... You need a little more to go on than "their heads are vaguely similar in shape (if you squint)." {{unsigned|AndyPKMN}}

Well the only reason I mentioned it is only because their heads were similar, and that was the only similarity they have and I thought it would be worth mentioning that one similarity. They don't have to be based on the same animal in order to have a similarity somewhere. (Well of course except for color, that isn't enough of a similarity) Tsutarja's head IS similar shaped to Cyndaquil's head, but only the facial features are different, apart from the nose and mouth being in a similar location on their face. If Piplup's head was differently shaped and had different facial features, it probably wouldn't have been compared to Torchic, and if Pachirisu had no cheek pouches, it probably wouldn't be compared with Pikachu. The only other similarity is that they are birds and rodents, but different species. It's like comparing Taillow to Spearow. But if Cyndaquil and Tsutarja's head shape is not enough to mention as it's their one and only similarity, would it still be enough to mention that all grass type starters so far are reptilian? (Probably best to put it in the starter Pokémon section) Oh and you forgot to sign your comment. --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 21:51, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:I don't see any resemblance at all. I think those other resemblance points should be removed too, save for Lapras/Shellos, as many people did believe they were related by evolution before Gastrodon was revealed. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:04, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== Learnset ==

We have a beggining of Learnset by levelling-up about Tsutarja (as well as [[Pokabu]], [[Mijumaru]], [[Zorua]], [[Zoroark]], [[Reshiram]], [[Zekrom]], [[Moguryu]] and all the other ones) in German at [http://www.pokewiki.de http://www.pokewiki.de] {{unsigned|Wolfy Harfleur 76700}}

== Chlorophyll ==

Is it worth noting that even though it's Pokédex entry states that it's movements sharpen in sunlight, it cannot have the ability [[Chlorophyll_(ability)|Chlorophyll]]?

Talk:Joey

2010-08-18T17:15:03Z

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"If examined through the use of a cheating device, Joey's Rattata really is in the top percent of Rattata, possessing an Adamant nature as well an IV spread of 30 31 29 31 26 30."

Which program was used to determine this? I know this doesn't belong here but I'm just curious.
[[User:Gwonam|Gwonam]] 16:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:That's still there? I'm pretty sure {{u|CoolPikachu!}} confirmed that Joey's Rattata actually has an IV spread of 0 0 0 0 0 0. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 17:29, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, it does... just like every other regular trainer Pokemon, it has a random nature (I think?) and 0 in all of its IVs. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 17:38, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Are you guys sure you didn't mix up EV with IV? All in-game trainers have an EV spread of 0 0 0 0 0 0, but I believe that most of them do in fact have IVs. I actually just confirmed this - on my Pearl, I captured a trainer's Pokémon and checked the IV spread - it was NOT 0 0 0 0 0 0. (I used Pearl so I wouldn't have a chance of corrupting my SoulSilver) (Anyway, Pearl backs up with AR DSi) [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 04:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

==Joey's Rattata==

I caught Joey's Rattata with the "catch trainer's Pokémon" Gameshark cheat, and it really does have all-zero IVs. It also has a Gentle nature (+Sp.Def, -Def). Myth busted!

It's actually quite common for trainers to have all-zero IVs on their Pokémon, but this isn't the case for every trainer. Tougher trainer classes have higher IVs to represent superior difficulty, and all IVs for a given Pokémon are equal. Approximate values are Rocket Grunts with IVs of all 3, Ace Trainers 6 or 7, Kimono Girls 18, the HGSS Kanto Gym leaders 25, and the Elite Four and Champion have 30. Trainer Pokémon never have EVs and never have beneficial nature except by chance. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 02:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Here are the stats on Joey's Rattata, for comparison: Level 4, Atk 9, Def 6, Sp.Atk 7, Sp.Def 7, Spd 10, HP 16. Nature: Gentle. Ability: Run Away. [[PID]]: 8073096. A trainer's Pokémon's PID is always the same, which is why the gender, nature and ability (and Spinda's spot pattern) are always the same. However, it may change in a re-match, since you're essentially fighting a different instance of that trainer. --[[User:JDigital|JDigital]] 02:38, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

== F.E.A.R. ==

Is it woth noting that in HGSS at the fourth+ battle, his Raticate knows the move Endeavor, which would almost perfectly spell out (F.ocus Sash), E.ndeavor, (Quick) A.ttack, R.aticate. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 17:15, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Metronome (move)

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Does anybody know what pokemon can learn this by the move tutor in emerald?--[[User:Acfan|Acfan]] 22:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

:Try looking up Metronome on Serebii.net's Attackdex.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 23:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

::See, this is exactly why we need to put some useful information in these entries, so we don't have to refer people to other sites. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 04:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

==Metronome and Sketch==
The article states that Metronome can call on any move other than itself and Struggle, but I was curious to know what the situation is regarding Sketch. Can it be called? If so, does it automatically fail? Whatever the answer, it could make an interesting (if minor) addition to the article. '''[[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]]'''[[Image:Ani241MS.gif]][[User_Talk:Bikini Miltank|Moo, I say.]] 23:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:This is a good question and I wonder why nobody has answered since November [[User:The Dark Fiddler|Rawr I say!]] 22:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Contradictory statements ==
It says metronome can use a move that has been disabled, but it also says that it can't use a move that the user knows.
How can it use a move that's disabled if it can't use a move the user know!?!
Unless it means a disabled move the opponent has, in which case it's not worth mentioning. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]]
:I think it means that if the Pokémon used say, {{m|Water Gun}} through Metronome and then the opponent used {{m|Disable}}, Water Gun could still be used through Metronome. However, the article is not very clear and the line saying that it can use a disabled move may need removing. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|Snorlax]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|Monster]]. Help [[User:SnorlaxMonster/GlitchEvobox|here]] 08:57, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

==In reference to both of the above topics . . .==
I think the effects for this move need to be split into Generations. I don't think all the moves on the chart are withhelf from Metronome in all generations. for example, I'm fairly certain I remember there being a great deal of controversy in Generation II when people figured out that Metronome could Sketch a move, technically expanding several Pokémon's movesets if going completely by RAW and ignoring the spirit of the learnsets. Also, I'm not completely sure Metronome couldn't select a move you already know in all the Generations. So, overall, what I'm looking for is some one who ''really'' knows his Metronome to take a look at this article. [[User:Schreiber|Schreiber]] 23:37, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

== Metal Burst ==

Can this move be called on from Metronome? I'm wondering since it's similar to Counter and Mirror Coat. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 00:48, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

==Using moves a Pokémon already knows?==

I distinctly remember in LeafGreen when I had a Clefairy that knew Metronome, Water Pulse, and Meteor Mash, and on more than one occasion Metronome called upon at least both Water Pulse and Meteor Mash one time each. Anyone care to investigate? --[[User:Falchiar|[[User:Falchiar]]( [[User talk:Falchiar]] )]] 20:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:I vaugely recall a Magmar I had in Gold. Its Metronome frequently called up ThunderPunch, despite the fact that it already knew the move. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

==Notable?==
I think it's notable that Metronome could come up Judgement, Arceus's signature move...BEFORE Arceus was officialy revealed. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 08:05, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not so much. The code for Judgment was still in the game, as was the coding for Arceus. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:51, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
::Also, {{m|Dark Void}} and {{m|Seed Flare}} could also be used through Metronome before {{p|Darkrai}} and {{p|Shaymin}} were revealed if you're going to go there. But I don't think that it's trivia worthy anyway. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:06, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
You may have misunderstood-of course the coding was already in the game, but the point was that the Pokemon that can use them weren't officialy revealed yet, but the moves could be ''discovered'' before that, which would mean everyone would know that there was going to be a new Pokemon. I thought that it was trivia worthy. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 07:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:Metronome could use Psycho Boost/Doom Desire in Gen III before Deoxys and Jirachi were revealed... Metronome could pick Blast Burn/Frenzy Plant/Hydro Cannon before they were officially available... hell Metronome could pick Volt Tackle before Emerald was released. This is nothing new. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 02:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Umm... ==

In Generation III, I have a Snorlax that knows both Metronome and Surf (the other moves aren't important). Now, the article states that Pokémon cannot Metronome moves it already knows, but it Metronomed Surf. Now that I think of it, for a while it only '''used''' the moves it already knew. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 22:13, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Johto Route 39

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== Pokéathlon Dome? ==

In the "Connecting Routes" area, it says that the Pokéathlon Dome is located to the West of it. But there's no Route leading there, and the Dome is located West of National Park.

User talk:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions

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<BIG><BIG>'''I AM NOT DOING EEVEE EVOLUTIONS.'''</BIG></BIG>
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{| {{bluetable|background: white;}} width="30%" align="right"
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|December 31, 2007 - February 12, 2009
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|im not going to archive a user subpage talk, so, heres the things covered in the previous installment
* Ninjech't gets a sword
* some stuff about babies that i dont care about
* something about names that dont need to rhyme
* Eeveelution - Dragon
* more stuff about babies
* Drillix is not Dark/Steel
* evolve the Kucheat
* Breloom does not get an evo
* Kecleon should get an evo
* Eeveelution - Poison
* Skarmory
* Dunsparce
* Luvdisc
* Arbok and Weezing
* Eeveelution - Steel
* i dont update much
* Skarmory evo is broken
* Unown evo
* Magcargo
* Eeveelution - Ghost
* Eeveelution - Dragon (again)

and a ton of other ideas that range form ambitions to useless.
|}

== Name for baby kangis ==

A baby Kangaroo is a Joey. What about Joeyghan.--[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 21:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:while "Joeyghan" is a bit blatent, i think youre on to something. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 05:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
::Better name for the Kangaskhan prevo: Kublaikhan. Because Kangaskhan is obviously based on Ghengis Khan and Kublai Khan is the son of Ghengis Khan. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 10:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Kublai Khan was Ghengis's grandson, not his son. Incidentally, Ghengis Khan had a son named Jochi. And, as Aura Wolf said, a baby kangaroo is a joey. Maybe Jochey or something like that? [[User:Umber|Umber]] 00:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

== Names ==

Eh, a few ideas

Meowth→Persian→SCRATCHEW (One of my better ones...)

Slugma→Magcargo→LAVIPER (A couple minutes after I made this I thought of Seviper... :P)

Shuppet→Bannette→GHILOQUIST (It is a puppet that takes over an abusers, like a ventriloquist)

Hope I helped! ----'''[[User:Missingyes| |\/| | Z]] [[User talk:Missingyes|Z | |\| G]] [[User:Missingyes/Sprites|Y E Z]]''' 21:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:not bad
:meh, not relevant
:not bad
:-- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

For a Kangaskhan prevo, I came up with Kangajoe.--[[User:Totodilesentret|Totodilesentret!]][[User Talk:Totodilesentret|Talk to me.]] 21:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:getting closer.. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Just for reference, Euler is pronounced "oiler", so there might be some confusion over the name. [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 00:33, 26 April 2009
:very good point, but i dont think pronunciations really come into play here. hell, if it was pronounced the same, thered probably be a lawsuit.. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::Lol, which is probably how they got away with Lapras. [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 02:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Why not name it "Oiler" and make it a Water/Poison type? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 05:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::its a pre-evo. it wouldnt make sense to give it a type its just going to lose. yea, i know its been {{p|Nincada|done}} {{p|Skorupi|before}}, but, those were dumb decisions by Game Freak. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, 'Oiler' seems like an idiot with no life at Zippy Mart oiling cars, but MAGNEDETH, if you choose 'PERFECT' things for your page instead of not bad, why do you still have 'Crumpette' and 'Rookhan' on there?----'''[[User:Missingyes| |\/| | Z]] [[User talk:Missingyes|Z | |\| G]] [[User:Missingyes/Sprites|Y E Z]]''' 18:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Heres some names I thought up for Persians Evolution--
Bengalash, a mix of Bengal and lash and --
Calicrip, or something with Calico + something that's a synonym for cut/rip
Sorry i dont have a signature! But Heres a made up one {{unsigned|Pandagasms}}

==NEW==
Oh, don't worry guys, i heard new Pokemon are coming out soon. [[User:Sporeo45]]

==Lucario Bibarel?==

Lucario to make it a Pharaoh Pokémon

Bibarel into somthing that can fly

Dumb I know but I like them [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] 01:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:the Lucario one isnt bad, but its hard to evolve him when hes already pretty good. the Bibarel one i dont understand... -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't make a Lucario Evolution! Never ever ever! If Nintendo do it then... They've lost a custormer. (Enough said I Think...) [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 12:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

== Hay umm Flying Donphan ==

I just thought a Donphan evo that flys like Dumbo would be cool. [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 23:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:heh, interesting idea, but i dont think Disney would like that. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

::: Well it's not like you can really make it happen. You Can still use it if you want. [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

So can you help me set up my 2nd sandbox like you're evolution page? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 15:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

== MM ideas ==

OK, I gots an idea for a Luvdisc evolution based on the arrows Cupid shoots to make people fall in love. A Water/Flying type. Ability: Filter. Name: Cupidisc (I'm also toying with the name Arrodisc/Arrowdisc). Slightly better Speed. MUCH better Attack. It'll look like a Luvdisc, but with more of a point to its mouth so it can use stuff like Fury Attack, Drill Peck, and Aerial Ace. It'll also have a tail-think Hitmontop's tail, but slightly longer. And, at the end, a slightly smaller heart, like a miniature Luvdisc.

Also, an Eevee PRE-EVOLUTION. I'm thinking for the name "Peearee" (pronounced pee-are-eee; as in P-R-E; as in PRE-evolution). To evolve into Eevee, level it up with, ironically, the Everstone.

Also, I give you: Enemite. Derived from enemy and mite, referring to its small size. It would be Poison/Normal, and evolve when its happiness is at its minimum. Its only moves would be Frustration, Spite, and Scary Face. It would evolve into Seviper if its ability were Shed Skin, and into Zangoose if its ability were Immunity. So, what you think? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:the Luvdisc one is pretty thought out. an Eevee prevo is pretty unnecessary. and Enemite is an ambitious idea, but it would break the laws of physics evolving into either a mammal or a snake. granted, Pokemon doesnt really follow these laws. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Corsola Evo ==

I've always had an idea for a Corsola evolution. It's called Corseptic, and it's a rock/poison type. Yeah, screwed against ground types, right? Wrong! Its ability is Levitate, so that makes up for this grave weakness. It learns generally water, rock, poison, and psychic type moves. Its leg is basically a spike that generates the psychic energy needed to float. It has glowing, red eyes and a gaping mouth, rivalling that of Swalot. I imagine it would evolve through leveling up knowing "Poison Blast" (Super-Powerful Poison move). What do you think? --[[User:Parrot Hype|Parrot Hype]] 18:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:i like the idea of a Corsola evo, and i like the idea of a Rock/Poison-type, but can you really justify removing Corsola's Water-type? its coral! from the water! sounds more like itd make sense as a Swalot evo. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::That sounds great! Swalot could use one of those! But, I made a picture of what it would look like (along with a few other ideas), so [http://cradman.deviantart.com/art/Fake-Pokemon-Evolutions-132472919 check it out!] --[[User:Parrot Hype|Parrot Hype]] 16:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Hello New Babys ==

I think we should have babys for [[Absol]], [[Croagunk]], [[Buizel]], and one for both [[Miltank]] and [[Tauros]] [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 17:47, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Like the ideas. i've got names.

ABSUN (Psycic) - absol (Dark) (OK,Ok it's rubbish, but i think we need a new non-legendary psycic)

POISNUNK (Poisen) - croagunk (Poisen/fighting) - Toxicroak (Poisen/Fighting)

(I disagree with the buizel idea!)

CREAMOS (Normal) - Miltank (Normal)

::::::OR

:::::Tauros (Normal)

Whadda ya'll think? [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 13:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

== Minduck? Seriously? ==
585 Base stat total. Really? Topping Arcanine, the Pokémon with the second highest base stat total besides pseudo legendaries and legendaries by 30 points?! Seems to me it'd be better to give Psyduck an alternate evolution that's Water/Psychic and rearranging Golducks base stats (after all Golducks stats are already good) HP 80, Attack 60, Defense 70, Special Attack 105, Special Defense 100, Speed 85 or something? Not sure about a name though, maybe something to do with Psyduck harnessing it's psychic powers? Beats me. Just a thought, anyway. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 13:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== hahaha ==

Klanger?
sorry dude, but some of these names are just SO un-original. but, hey! you did an a lot better job than the people who made diamond and pearl did! (:

oh and im liking the idea of ninjetch'd. thats cool - ''unsigned comment from {{u|TheLastCharmander}} ([[User talk:TheLastCharmander|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheLastCharmander|contribs]]) ''
:most of the names are just placeholders of sorts with little or no thought put into them (barring a select few like Lapras prevo and Dunsparce evo). the general idea im trying to convey is that some Pokemon are hopelessly useless and need to be fixed. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:42, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Well ALL the evolutions you just created have become some of the strongest Pokémon in the games. I mean, not EVERY Pokémon can be amazing dude. Except Ninjetch'd. THAT'S a good idea--[[User:TheLastCharmander|TheLastCharmander]] 18:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I like Klanger... [[User:Sporeo45]]

==Unown Evo's name==
Personally, I don't like it ''King Unown''!? Talk about being uncreative. Why not Enygma? :v [[User:Tyro|User:Tyro]] 08:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
:no, i agree, "King Unown" is a stupid name, but while "Enygma" is a good name, i dont think it really fits for the king here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Neuinpine ==

How about a different Sudowoodo evolution called Ninepine or Neunpine? Neun is "nine" in German, and Nein is "no" in German. I think you know where the "pine" comes from. It will have nine branches on it (four on each side, one on the top), and be Rock/Dark. Sudowoodo will evolve into it when holding False Branch at Lv. 40 at night. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 20:39, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Eevee (Pokémon)

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== [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] status of [[Bite (move)|Bite]] ==

Please note that in RBY, {{M|Bite}} is {{T|Normal}}, so it is marked as a STAB move, while in later games it is {{T|Dark}}, so it's marked as STAB for an evolution (in this case - {{P|Umbreon}}). [[User:User142|User142]] ([[User talk:User142|Talk]]) 16:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, does anyone have XD? There are evolution items for Umbreon and Espeon in that game instead of Happiness evolutions. Does anyone know what they are? They should problably be listed here. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I think they were Sun Shard (Espeon) and Moon Shard (Umbreon) [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]]

== [[Generation II]] evolutions ==

Say, in XD, does Eevee need to hold the Sun/Moon shard and level up to evolve? or simply be exposed to them like a stone? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 15:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:Hold and level up. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 09:36, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
::Does it also require happiness to be maxed? So many sites have conflicting information regarding them in XD. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 13:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
:::No, just stick it on and level up. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 18:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
::::All you need is to have the shard with you. Eevee doesn't have to be holding it. -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 19:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::Wrong, Eevee does have to be holding the shard to evolve. [[User:Jake30502|Jake30502]] 15:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::Is the items Sun and Moon Shard capable of veing transferred into R/S/FR/LG/E? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 03:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::::No. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Have you tried it though? I wonder why not though...do you have to evolve your Eevee when you get the item? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 02:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
The shards are Key Items. Eevee can't hold it. About the happiness, yes it needs to be maxed; but it's ''already'' maxed at the beginning of the game.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 00:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

== Do The Eeveelutions Still Have A High Stat? ==

Are The Eeveelutions Still Following The Stats Where A Certain Evolution Has The Highest Stat Compared To The Family?
For Example, Vapoureon Has The Highest HP Stat Tha All Of The Rest; Jolteon Has The Highest Speed Stat Than The Others.
- Tesh -
:Look at their base stats. They're the same totals, they're just different as far as focus, so yes, all of them have one stat higher than the rest. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:... except there's six stats and seven Eeveelutions, meaning two had to specialize in the same thing. Apparently, it's the Special Attack ones. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 05:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::Which is what I meant by focus, since although Espeon and Glaceon both have the 130 in Special Attack, 95 in Special Defense, and 65 in HP, Attack, Defense, and Speed does differ. So really, if they do make nine more Eeveelutions, many will share the strongest stats, but there'd still be room for base stat variance. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

==help==
dos anybody know if i beat collaseum and trade umbrion and espieon can i mat one of the with a nother pokemon a couple times and get the othe evvealoution {{unsigned|Shiny evvee}}

No, since they're both male. Also, if you want help, try typing like someone over the age of 3. {{unsigned|Fishman}}
:{{p|Ditto}}. And I agree, try typing like you know English. Dammit, you people are the reason that the school systems are failing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

::I'm not sure, maybe he's a kid who learnt the internet at age 4...Or he's just plain inattentive, impossibly inaccurate and unintelligent.[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 10:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
:::This is also meant for the forums.... [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 00:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Name origin - Eon ==

:"''Eon also means a very long time, which is how long it takes for Eevee to evolve without the aid of an evolutionary stone''"
but in [[Generation I]] Eevee cannot evolve without stones! can I remove this sentence? --[[User:Valepert|Valepert]] 21:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:But that's ONLY in GenI. Why remove it? Don't remove it, as it explains why it's called "Eon". >< {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|380}} 21:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::Even then, it doesn't take an eon to evolve without a stone. You can have a level 2 Espeon or Umbreon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

:Thinking about it eon could refer to the amount of time it takes a regular species to evolve, and since Eevee is so adaptable it could be that it represents eons of evolution (as it has mastered in some way). If you can make sense of that it may help. --[[Image:Ani002MS.gif|XXpx]]☆[[User:Woodland Mudkip|Woodland:M]] ☆[[Image:Ani001MS.gif|XXpx]] 20:29, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

:Don't forget that Pokemon in the games have a level cap. Theoretically, if there were no level caps Eevee would evolve eventually. [[User: Kyle95]] December 20, 2008 (UTC)

== Palindromes ==

How many palindrome pokémon are there? I only know of two, Eevee and Girafarig. If those are the only two, might their trivia take note of the other?

Also, I joined just to ask the above question. Why doesn't bulbapedia allow anon to edit? [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 05:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Also also, can someone post in my user page so my name turns blue? It bothers me. Another question, why doesn't bulbapedia allow User page edits? I get "You do not have permission to edit pages in the User namespace." [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 05:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

1. 3 Pokémon names are palindromes (Eevee, Girafarig and Ho-oh)

2. Use Proper GrAmmAr.

3. It's been answer 4,000,000,000,000 time, And I can't be bothered making it the 4,000,000,000,001'th time.

--[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 05:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hm. Good greeting. Please tell me how my grammar is improper. I see I could have put a colon or semicolon on my second sentence instead of a comma, but what else? [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 05:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:Pokémon. Not pokémon. Capitalize. Bulbapedia. Not bulbapedia.'''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''05:52 4 Jun 2008'''''

::Is that all? Do you get on to everyone who doesn't capitalize pokémon or site names? [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 05:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

::: It just makes it proper, Pokémon is a name of a Tv show (Or something), and Bulbapedia is a name of a site, Both being N-O-U-N-S (Nouns). --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 05:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:::: Pokémon is the name of a manga, series of video games, and anime. It's also the type of creatures in those. One doesn't call a scarab a type of Beetle, but a beetle, so I thought pokémon would sound proper enough. You don't capitalize nouns. You capitalize PROPER nouns. [[User:Zeek Aran|Zeek Aran]] 06:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::I don't really get it, either... but it's official policy that Pokémon is capitalized. It doesn't matter as much on talk pages as in the main namespace, but like with other sorts of proper grammar, it makes it look more like you know what you're doing. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 06:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::It's Pokémon because it IS a proper noun. Why? It's a species of imaginary creatures. Imaginary. Name. Name. Proper Noun. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:05 4 Jun 2008'''''

:::::::Why is everyone talking about grammar? I thought this was about palindromes! [[User:Thermorules123]] 02:57, 26 Dec 2008

:::::::: I see, I now have the power to make people go of-topic..... And by the way, Nouns do need to be capital too, A noun is A place (London), a name (Andrew) and A thing (Ball, Not really {{tt|necessary|Correct Spelling?}} to capitilize though) --[[Charizard (Pokémon)|Force]] [[User:Force Fire|''Fire'']] [[User talk:Force Fire|''talk'']] 15:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::You only need to capitalize names. [[User:Thermorules123]] 03:35, 26 Dec 2008

== Super Smash Bros. Brawl ==

I removed the bit about Eevee appearing in ''Brawl'' and evolving into one of its seven evolutions. Simply put, Eevee does not appear out of a Poké Ball in that game. Nor do its evolutions. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Interesting Fact ==

Should it be noted somewhere that eevee's original evolutions (vaporeon, jolteon, flareon) are immune from damage by their own type because of their special abilities. Vaporeon=water absorb, jolteon=volt absorb, flareon=flash fire[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 07:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
:No. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 13:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

== Evolving into Leafeon and Glaceon ==

I thought when an you want to evolve Eevee into Leafeon or Glaceon, you had to be in the same patch of grass as the Mossy Rock or Frosty Rock. The information on doing so, at least in Eevee's article, says you just have to be in Eterna Forest or Route 217 to do it. So, which one is true? [[User:Superbreeder|Superbreeder]] [[User talk:Superbreeder|What's up?]] 00:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:You just need to be on the route. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 01:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== Level Up Evolutions ==

Does anyone know what happens if you level up a [[happiness|happy]] Eevee in (say) [[Eterna Forest]] during the [[time|day]]? Does the location or happiness evolution take precidence? In this example, would you get a {{p|Leafeon}} or an {{p|Espeon}}? I don't have the games so I can't test it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 02:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

:That is a pickle. I guess it would make sense to say the evolutionary path would be chosen at random with a 50/50 chance of getting Leafeon or Espeon.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)Bttsstewart

::Hey, that sounds like a fun theory to test. I'll get back to you. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Location takes precedence. I tested it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:08, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Aw man! TTE spoiled my fun. Maybe I'll just do it anyway{{tt|.|wouldn't want your game to be a fluke now, would we? :D}} — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::However, what if you evolved two happy Eevee right on the border between day and night, at the same time through the same battle. One initiates evolution sequence before the time period switches, the other initiates after (DS closing may be involved). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>rushes to daycare* — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:15, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Before 4 AM? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:38, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Er, not likely mate. If you can do it faster feel free. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: Eterna Forest has a sign inside it claiming that it is "The place where time stands still". I think this is trying to hint that Umbreon/Espeon aren't possible to obtain inside it. Not sure about the conditions for Glaceon though, just thought it was interesting to note =) [[User:Improv|--[[User:Improv|Improv.]] ''([[User talk:Improv|talk/font>]])'']] 22:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:Where is siad sign?[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 22:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
::As soon as you step inside, you can see the sign. Sorry about my signiature =/ [[User:Improv|--[[User:Improv|Improv.]] ''([[User talk:Improv|talk/font>]])'']] 01:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I'd always taken this to mean that it referred to it being an '''eterna'''l forest, but this is also promising... As much as I hate trivia, this is kind of ok! I'll add it to the Eterna Forest article if it isn't already there. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:So does this mean that the same rule applies to [[Route 217]], where {{p|Glaceon}} evolves? [[User:XxXcharmanderXxX|--Charmander]] ''[[User_talk:XxXcharmanderXxX|-(talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/XxXcharmanderXxX|stalk!)]]'' 03:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
::Because if it is, that information should be added to [[Route 217|the page]]. [[User:XxXcharmanderXxX|--Charmander]] ''[[User_talk:XxXcharmanderXxX|-(talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/XxXcharmanderXxX|stalk!)]]'' 03:47, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, if you evolve your Eevee OUTSIDE on Route 217, it will become a Glaceon. Indoors (Rare Candy inside a house when happiness is max'd) it takes the Espeon/Umbreon route. Same with Eterna Forest (the forest area where Moss Rock is) vs the exterior area accessed via Cut. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
But this dosn't awnser what will happen if said eevee was also holding a evolutionary stone. We will test this.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 01:28, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:It will evolve into Leafeon/Glaceon, because holding an evolutionary stone DOES NOT activate the stone when battling.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:32, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
::Yes. But they do activate upon level up, which two types of it's evolution require, and the other one can be done with or with out it.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 01:48, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Leveling up doesn't activate a held evo stone - I just tested with a fire stone on an Eevee in Pt. Because of this it will take the location/time evolution upon level up, even if an Evo stone is held. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:51, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

== Catchable, but no attacking moves... ==

Is Eevee the only one that does this? When you catch it in DP from the Trophy Garden, all four moves it has are status moves. Does anything but the four cocoons and Abra have this... hindrance? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:Ralts in DP only has Growl when chained. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
::That is, if you get a chain of level 4 or level 5 Ralts. Level 6 would know Confusion. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:::...{{p|Ditto}}... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Not so sure how much Ditto would count, as Transform could potentially gain it attacking moves. Eevee and Ralts, though, sure. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. Come see my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|tell me what you think!]] 03:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Good point...that means {{p|Smeargle}} could be scratched out as well... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Oh, yeah, forgot about Smeargle! Yeah, Smeargle's out. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]]. Come see my new and improved user page, and [[User talk:Missingno. Master|tell me what you think!]] 03:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::There's also {{p|Magikarp}}, which you can find knowing only {{m|Splash}} if you use an Old Rod near just about any body of water. That one could be questionable though. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 17:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::eevee may be the only one with a full attack set with no offensive moves. abra, ditto, and smeargle only learn one move, but thats only because ditto and smeagle and designed that way and abra doesnt learn any attacks until after it evolves[[User:Darkcloud1111|darkcloud1111]] 18:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

== Pokémon Yellow ==

Is there a condition(s) which determine which of the three possible evolutions that Blue's Eevee has? If so, what are they, and should they be added into the article?--[[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 21:43, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:They're listed on {{ga|Blue}}'s article, and no, it should not be added to this article. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 21:48, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Information that I'm sure if it is true or not, need confirmation ==

I think that it may be possible to breed one with one of the moves that has the same move type as one of it's evolutions by raising two Flareon's with Flamethrower, or something. Two Jolteon's with Thunderbolt, etc.--[[User:Tmwps|Tmwps]] 11:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
:Only if the Eevee can learn those attacks too. And we don't list moves that can be indirectly passed down by TM unless they are in the internal coding of the game. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 11:08, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Steps listed incorrect? ==

I've been breeding Eevee in Platinum, and my eggs have been taking 10,200 steps to hatch, where the article lists 9180. Can anyone else test this? [[User:Seraph|Seraph]]

== Day & Night ==

The article mentions that Eevee evolved into Espeon during the day, and Umbreon at night time...
Though it doesn't mention what happens if it evolves during the morning...
...Personally, I'm not 100% sure what actually happens (I believe it was Espeon?)...
But regardless, I think it should be confirmed and added to the article. {{unsigned|M190049}}

:{{pkmn|Stadium 2}}'s library stated the result was Espeon when done in the morning. Sure, Stadium 2's data is fully accurate only up to [[Generation II]], but I'm pretty sure something like this would hold true in [[Generation IV]] as well...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== Multiple requirements met ==

What would happen in the event eevee has reached the level of happiness necessary to evolve into either espeon or umbreon, but was leveld up in eternia forest or route 217?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 21:44, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
:As discussed in various other places, the '''location''' evolution takes precedence over the straight happiness one. This should be in the article somewhere though... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== Can Eevee learn Endure by breeding? ==

I stuck an Eevee in the Daycare with a Buneary that knew Endure and the Eevee that hatched from the eggs knew Endure too. When I swapped the Buneary for a Monferno and hatched more Eevee, they didn't know Endure anymore. Does that mean Endure is an egg move for Eevee? [[User:Avalanche lily|Avalanche lily]] 19:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
:[New comments to bottom plz]. Endure is a TM move. Any move that can be learned by TM will be passed down. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

== There's no ring around its tail, right? ==

[http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6185/6125.jpg This] Sugimori art shows an Eevee with a ring around its tail. Maybe it's just that Eevee, but no other Eevee has been shown with a ring, right? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 00:50, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:Light reflection.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
==Ok...==
Please fix the egg hatch time. It's really 10,200 steps, not 9,400--[[User:Skymin23|FlyingSkymin23]] 02:12, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

== Leaf/Glace in HGSS ==
Do you have to trade Eevee to DPPt to evolve or is there a place in HGSS?
I can't really trade cos I'm not always around someone with a DS. (Although, I can always trade over WiFi.) [[User:SallieEspeon|Hullo! My name is Sallie and I am a Cloud fangirl. w00t!]] 22:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yup, same goes for Magneton, and Eevee from FRLG to RSECXD in order to evolve into Espeon/Umbreon. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:07, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

== Eeveelutions To Be Created ==
I think it should be mentiond in the trivia that Eevee has yet to gain evolutions of normal, fighting, dragon, poison, ground, rock, steel, flying, bug, and ghost types. Is it okay if i put this in there? [[User:EpicShadow|EpicShadow]] 10:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Um... no. It can be assumed that it doesn't have evolutions of those types by reading which types it CAN evolve into. Including that as trivia would be like including that that Wormadam doesn't have a fire/water/ice/etc. cloak. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

== RSE Pokédex ==

I noticed that in the Pokédex area, it doesn't include it's RSE entries. I would add the information, but I don't know if it's correct, and I didn't want to make a huge change. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 18:31, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Spiky-eared Pichu

2010-08-09T19:41:18Z

Pawsrent: /* Breeding? */ new section

I do wonder. Should we have the page at Gizamimi Pichu, since that's the "official" name used in the calendars and such? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
:Probably. Is it ever 'officially' called ''Notched-ear Pichu''??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 21:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
---This is true but I think it would make the page impossible to find. Most people probably know it as Notched-Ear Pichu as opposed to Gizamimi Pichu. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 01:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why redirects were created. (I knew they would come to good use sometime!!!) --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
::True. Perhaps this page should say "Notched-Ear Pichu, known in official materials as Gizamimi Pichu..."? --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 00:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Voice actor ==

It needs to be Shōko Nakagawa with the accent mark. "Shoko Nakagawa" links to a nonexistant page. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 01:21, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:Not any more it doesn't. But still a fix would be nice oh kind admins. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

== Ability ==

When was the ability show/confirmed? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 00:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:I dunno either. But I guess it's from the Japanese movie site. I can't ready Japanese. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
::Can we get somebody who CAN read Japanese check the site? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 02:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Does Pichu have any other ability I'm not aware of. I find it odd that when an anime Pokemon only has one ability, its not confirmed, I realize that a Pokemon can have 2 abilities, but I don't buy that since it goes along the gender differences. A certain Pokemon had Ability A prior to Generation X. And there's no conflicting information (albeit speculative) that a Pokemon in the anime can't have both abilities, like in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 02:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::No, it doesn't have another ability in the games, but why can't the anime give it a different one? A new anime-exclusive one? Why can't the anime say only certain Pokémon have an ability, and others don't? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Is teh Pedia laggin 4 u 2?]] 11:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::That's the reason why we don't add Blaze as Ash's Charizard's ability, despite being the only ability Fire starters can have. It has yet to be shown or confirmed by somebody. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:Exactly; that's why I think we should
a) Confirm Pichu's ability with a source
b) Remove it. {{unsigned|The Dark Fiddler}} 11:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::Nobody? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 11:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry I took so long. Link me.[[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 22:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny ==
::It is confirmed that little Notchie is shiny, though. *Leads all to Bulbanews*--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 23:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:::No, it's not Shiny. The Event Pichu is shiny. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Of which is directly based off of Notchie.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just because the event Pichu is shiny doesn't mean that the Pichu itself is. '''~ overgrown[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 23:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::::: No the only reason why the event Pichu is shiny is because there's no ear-notched Pichu programmed into the game. It being shiny was the only thing they could've done to make it stand out compared to other Pichu's. Notched Ear Pichu however is still normal. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 23:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::It looks like that in the preview of the newer ending, there's a Pikachu-colored Pichu appearing alongside Notch-eared Pichu. So they are infact separete entities [[User:PDL|PDL]] 13:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

== Left vs. Right ==
In the article, it says it's her right ear that is notched, but that is her left ear. {{unsigned|Wikifixer}}
:Someone epic failed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

== Pichu in Ending ==
Too lazy to make a new section, but apparently, she is the fixation of the fourth ending. More info's on Bulbanews. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]]
: It was hard to type 4 equal signs? O.o Anyways, we know this, but other than mentioning it, there isn't anything we can do, it's just speculation that Notched-ear will become a part of the main cast until then. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 11:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:: Yes. And we need an admin to put that factoid in there, as the page is protected from vandals atm. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 15:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==
Instead of calling him Notched-ear Pichu,
Just call him by his Japanese name: Gizamimi Pichu.
It's Better then Notched-ear Pichu.
[[User:AlienX2008|☆AlienX2008☆]]09:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:Same thing.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

But its better. [[User:AlienX2008|☆AlienX2008☆]] [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 18:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:...do you have a better reason? A less colossally vague reason?—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::Also it's a girl. But I do wonder about calling it Gizamimi as well, since that's on official stuff... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Because we wouldn't call [[Barry|Jun]] "Barry" until [[DP101]] was released even though it was beyond obvious. Are we so sure about Gizamimi's official title 3 months before even the Japanese movie is released? I'm not really picky, I don't mind what we call it (I'll still call it Gizamimi^^) but if you want an argument for Gizamimi Pichu, there it is. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 22:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

"Her physical appearance is no different from an ordinary Pichu, other than the three spikes at the tip of her left ear, '''hence her name.'''" LOL?

If that's supposed to make sense it would have to be either:

-"...other than three notches..."

or it's name being: Three-spikes-ear-Pichu

Since when the word notch can mean extensions of something is beyond my logic anyway.

–noun

1. an angular or V-shaped cut, indentation, or slit in an object, surface, or edge.

2. a cut or nick made in a stick or other object for record, as in keeping a tally.

3. New England and Upstate New York. a deep, narrow opening or pass between mountains; gap; defile.

4. Informal. a step, degree, or grade: This camera is a notch better than the other.

5. Metallurgy. a taphole in a blast furnace: iron notch; cinder notch.

If there were cuts into it's ear, absolutely. but there is nothing missing and three spikes added instead, like the article already says, so wtf.

Jagged-ear-Pichu would make sense.
--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 07:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny Pichu? ==

I'm hearing everywhere about a picture of a shiny pichu, the notch-eared pichu, and pikachu. Where is this image? --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 12:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

:This is not something to be posted here. Go to your talk. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 15:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Wild ==

It's obviously not a trainer's Pichu,It's obviously wild.
If it were a trainer's pokemon they would already reveal him or her. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 05:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
:Also, the current location should be [[Michīna]]. [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 05:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Not a Biggie, But . . . ==

Under the picture, the caption says Notched ear Pichu, but the rest of the article and the article title calls it the "Notched-ear Pichu". Note the missing hyphen. I mean, it's not like it's a big deal, but it's just something that's bugging me is all. >.> '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 21:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== Moveset and Ability ==

Not sure if this info is out, but as revealed in Pokemon Sunday today:
*Charge
*Volt Tackle
*Endeavor
*Endure
*Holding: Everstone
--[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 23:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:That's the moveset of the [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon in 2009|event ''Pikachu-colored Pichu'']] in the games, not Notched-ear Pichu. And games=/=anime, so that's not needed. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 01:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== Game Purpose ==

The recent CoroCoro scan for [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HG/SS]] has Notchy interacting with the [[Alternate Coloration|Pikachu Colored]] {{p|Pichu}} owned by Gold. Should we add this to the article that it's at least ''involved'' in the games? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:08, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:According to [http://serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/pichu.shtml], the PCP event in Ilex Forest gives the player Notchie. Should this be added? --[[User:Galladeon|Galladeon]] 07:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Why doesn't anyone make a Sprite for Gizamimi (Notched-Ear) Pichu. If they can make a Sparky (Ritchie's Pikachu) can't anyone do this? [[User:AlienX2008|AlienX2008]] 23:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::There is no need for such a sprite because it has no where to go. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Gender ==
Why does the article say Notched-ear Pichu is female? It's obviously male, or else it would have a notch in its tail. --[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 03:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
:That's Pikachu. Pichu don't have gender differences. Further, its [[Get Fired up, Notched-ear Pichu!|theme song]] declares it to be a girl. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 03:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
::I know that it's theme song declares it as a girl but gender has changed from the original version to the English dub frequently. Am I wrong? [[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 22:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Even if it ''is'' changed when it get's dubbed, that hasn't happened yet. So officially, NE Pichu is still female. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 16:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Wild? ==

From the new screen shots, you see Notched-Ear Pichu following behind the player. This might hint that it's been captured, for only captured Pokémon can follow the player. And because it was captured, it means that it is was a wild Pokémon.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 18:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== What is she? ==

Is she a game character,put into the anime like many other characters,or an anime character made canon in the games? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:28, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
: I'm pretty sure she's an anime character put into the games because she was revealed to be in the anime before HG/SS.--[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 21:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
:: But,a lot of things are revealed in the anime before they are revealed in the games..[[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 21:47, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== pikachu? ==

I this Pichu were to evolved then the Pikachu would not be notch eared right? So maybe there was a notched eared pikachu programmed into HGSS? {{u|Laxafett}} 19:37,18 June 2009(UTC)
:We already know that she has a completely unique sprite, so it's possible that, to the game, this may act as a completely different species. ...or maybe the Pikachu gets a notched ear. We'll have to wait and see.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 18:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
::They may not allow it to evolve like the pikachu in pokemon yellow. And shouldnt this be in the forums. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 22:21, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Anime or Manga? ==

Shouldn't the section be "In the Manga" instead of "In the Anime"? It talks about the manga adaptation of the movie. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
: I noticed this aswell, but it's protected. *crai* It seems like a bit of a trivial thing to get an admin in to change though. - ''[[User:Lucadan|Lucadan]] ([[User talk:Lucadan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lucadan|contribs]])'' 17:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Not only that, it was also referred to as "Notch-Eared Pichu". '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 03:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::: [[gender|It]] was probably listed as "In the {{tt|[[Anime]]|stupid show that we watch for no apparent reason}}" because {{tt|some people|A.K.A. idiots/speculators/policy ignorers}} [[Villa decoration|figure]] [[gender|it]] {[m|Will-O-Wisp|will}} {{m|Role Play|play}} {{p|Unown|a}} {{p|Ditto|similar}} {{m|rollout|role}} in the {{tt|actual movie.|Why can't it debut in America sooner?}} --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 05:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Because all that linking really was necessary... fixed, Kev. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, I was bored. --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 06:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
== In the game ==

This special pichu has a different sprite, not just the notched ear but its pose, than a regular pichu.

[[User:050294|050294]] 04:17, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:Sprites change between games, dude. It's just Pichu's HGSS sprite. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:28, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
::I think she means it's different from other Pichus in the same game.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 07:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
::: [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:NEPHelpingHand.jpg Indeed it does] '''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]''' - 18:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Evolution and Trading ==

It has been confirmed by CoroCoro that the Notched-Ear Pichu in HGSS cannot be traded and also is unable to evolve. I think this should be added to the article. [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 16:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:I was going to say you could add it but the article is protected...so I added it. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:: It also states on the article that Elm will call the pokemon center and tell them to stop the player from trading the Spiky-Ear Pichu. Is it possible to trade it prior to talking to Elm? [[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 08:15, 26th September 2009 (UTC)

== Role in the Movie ==

"she gives Damos the keys to his cell." Is that all? I mean, in the previews didn't they say that she'd have a major role in the story? That doesn't sound very major to me. That sounds more like a minor cameo.[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 18:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
: She frees Pikachu and Piplup from their cell, frees a Cyndaquil and Chikorita in the kitchen, ''then'' gets the keys. A bti mroe than just th ekeys, but yeah, that's pretty much it. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 03:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== Too many images ==

Is it really necessary to have 5486179 pictures of Notched-ear Pichu in its article? '''[[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|444]]''' 04:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:Its only three, that's not a lot.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::It used to be 4, I took it out because there was already a good one to represent the "Game" section But still, it's a small article, only two would be good enough. But well, asking for sugestions... '''[[User:Haruka uzumaki|Haruka]][[User talk:Haruka uzumaki|444]]''' 05:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Or we could make the article bigger!(Highly doubt it) Or take one picture out, whatever floats your boat.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::::There's plenty of room for all the images there. Four is by no means too many; they display the Pichu in the different canons. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== 5 moves? ==

Pichu's move list shows 5 diff. moves she can learn. Shouldn't there only be 4? [[User:abcboy|Abcboy]]☆[[User talk:Abcboy|talk]] 14:33, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:This is the anime, which is way different from the games so there can be 5 6 and maybe even 33 [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 14:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::The only move list in this article is from the games, and displays four moves. Volt Tackle, Pain Split, Swagger, and Helping Hand. I think you've misread this. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Should {{tt|I|or anyone else}} ==

Should someone upload the sprite of Notchy from HGSS, or are we waitin for higher-quality Images to be released? [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 20:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
:We're waiting on the quality. Currently we can only rip it from screenshots which aren't at full DS screen resolution. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Is it possible to get a shiny one? If not, why do we have the shiny image? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']]★ 01:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Prevent game crash, I'd imagine, like the ???-type Arceus. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::Cool. Also, should we create a template to show backsprites as well? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']]★ 04:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Dub name ==

Can someone change it now?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:11, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
:Is done. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 23:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Does this make sense? Is it right? ==

Spiky-ear Pichu is the only in game event Pokémon that is not in its movie location? Unless we have to wait till movie 13 is fully announced and the cast goes to Johto and all.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:06, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
:{{p|Mew}} and [[Faraway Island]], and {{p|Latios|Lat}}{{p|Latias|i@s}} and [[Southern Island]] weren't in movies were they? '''[[User:Myles|Myles]]''' ([[User talk:Myles|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Myles|contrib]]) 00:12, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
::That's why I asked, I could not think of any, so thanks.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 00:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== Trade ==

I think some clarification is needed. Is this Pichu unable to be traded AT ALL, or just unable to be traded to D/P/P? I mean, could I trade it from HeartGold to SoulSilver or to another HeartGold? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure it isn't tradable, '''period'''. But i don't own HG/SS, so I may be wrong. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 19:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::I would ask TTE since he has the game. But anyway I think it would be a no because then someone could get two Spiky-eared Pichus! Of course it could just turn normal. Maybe if you send it it to D/P it would become shiny . . . just a thought. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[Dawn's Cyndaquil|7]] 21:46, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Did you read the article? It says trading it isn't possible because the people at the Pokemon Center make sure it isn't traded! --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[Dawn's Cyndaquil|7]] 21:48, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::::I believe trading it is completely banned, though sooner or later someone cheats into the trade center, in which case the outcome cannot be predicted. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:50, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Once I beat the Elite Four, if someone hasn't found out already, I'll trade in my fakeful encounter shiny Pichu and see what I can do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:11, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::::If it's merely a matter of the NPC not letting you into the Trade Station with it in your party, couldn't you simply by-pass that with a simple "Walk Through Walls" cheat to get past them? --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 17:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
No, you can't do that, or at least you couldn't in DP. On of my friend's ded that and got stuck because his Action Replay failed on him. I suggested walking into the door, but the game just keeped freezing, though one time he made it in and the room was filled with some of those fighting type trainers (What were they called again?). [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 18:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
:That's interesting...I seem to recall that hackers used to use this method to get past the NPCs blocking them from getting into online battles. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 18:36, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

== Ditto ==

If a Ditto transforms into a Notched-Ear Pichu, will it have a notched ear? --Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi 21:51, 11 October 2009 (UTC) Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi
:<big>My 2¢:</big> I would say so. But, I don't own a copy of {{2v|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}. Also, if a {{p|Ditto}} {{m|transform}}s into a {{p|Giratina}} Origin it appears in it's [[Form differences#Giratina|Altered Forme]]. So who knows! Someone should look into this. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 22:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well the reason Ditto transforms into altered forme Giratina is because Giratina requires an item to be Origin forme and Spiky-eared Pichu doesn't need an item to be with a Spiky ear so I think that it would have a notched ear too. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' '''''[[User talk:Turtwig A|Talk]]''''' 23:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
And what about sky-forme shaymin? --Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi 23:13, 11 October 2009 (UTC) Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi
:{{tt|Ditto|Pun not intended. And by ditto, I mean the same as Giratina}} [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 23:20, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
But Shaymin doesn't need to hold an item. {{tt|Giratina does!|So can someone test it out or something?}}--Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi 22:48, 12 October 2009 (UTC) Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi
:Woops, my bad. If a {{p|Ditto}} Transfroms into a {{p|Shaymin}} thats in its [[Form differences#Shaymin|Sky Forme]] then the ditto will appear in it's sky Forme. As for Notchy, I have {{p|absol}}utely no idea. Ask [[User:TTEchidna|TTEch]] or anyone else who has the game. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 18:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
::Just confirmed it: like any other form difference, Spikehead's ear remains on the transformed Ditto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, TTE--Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi 19:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC) Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-Hinoarashi]]

== Can't Learn Any Moves? ==
That was added to the article. Is it true? Does anyone have a source for it?--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 00:04, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
:It's confirmed. She can only have the moves she has when you get her. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
::Unless hacked, blah blah blah that whole thing. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
:::What would it say if you tried to teach it a TM that Pichu can learn? And if Spiky gets traded or somehow is your first Pichu, will it give the Pichu dex entry?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 23:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
::::It won't be the first Pichu (unless you hack) because you need to have the Pikachu-colored-Pichu first. I imagine it will just tell you that this Pokémon cannot learn the TM, like if I tried to teach my Geodude Fly. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:52, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::But won't the Pikachu-colored Pichu still unlock the Spiky-eared Pichu if you evolve it? Therefore, you evolve the Pichu, trade it to HG/SS, get Spiky, and BOOM! You got Spiky as your first Pichu. On a similar note, shouldn't Thundershock and Iron tail be noted as [[anime move errors]] if they aren't among the 4 moves Spiky comes with? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 12:20, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::This is bull. I have just tested and my Spiky Eared Pichu can learn TM moves. I also took it to the Move Relearner and it had Thundershock, Charm, Tail Whip, Thunder Wave, Sweet Kiss & Nasty Plot in the list...Pichu's level up moves. I suggest you check your facts. I don't want to keep having to clean up your messes--[[User:Serebii|Serebii]] 11:42, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Here's some pics as proof; http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/sepichu-tm.png http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/sepichu-moverelearner.png --[[User:Serebii|Serebii]] 11:47, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== Shiny? ==

On the Notched-Ear Pichu's page it says: Spiky-eared Pichu Sprites

Spiky-eared Pichu and her shiny form from
HeartGold and SoulSilver

She has a shiny form? Can someone see if they can get a shiny Notched-Ear Pichu?--Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi 20:05, 14 October 2009 (UTC) Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi
:As with the ???-type Arceus, this is probably only there to prevent the game from crashing. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:27, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
::I doubt that. It probably has the same chance of being shiny as any other Pokemon.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 04:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
::: I agree with this guy ^ i had a shiny cyndaquil, and i got it from elm. so mebe if its scripted it could be shiny. i'm not gonna check though because the amount of times ive played any of the games, at least 5 per game, i'v only ever had 2 shinys. cyndaquil and poochyena. i guess i could cheat an all pokes shiny, but its kinda defeating the object isnt it?--[[User:Ben7229|Ben7229]] 19:56, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Okay hackers ==

We can make a shiny Notchie. Can we make a male Notchie? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:14, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if you're poking fun at them... but aren't they the same? As in... no gender differences... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:55, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

::Yes, we know the regular Pichu doesn't have any gender differences. If a male notched-ear Pichu can be hacked into existence (and yes, this whole "spiky-ear" bull**** will blow over soon, that banner filename is decieving people), odds are it'll have the same sprite as its legit female counterpart. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Bullshit...just say it. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 00:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
==Professor Elm==
If you take the Spiky-eared Pichu to Professor Elm, he will call the Pokémon centres to prevent it from being traded. But what if you didn't take it to Professor Elm, and attempted to trade it? Will it work? The game makes it seem that it can't be traded after you take it to Professor Elm. So I'm assuming that if Elm doesn't see the Spiky-eared Pichu, he can't stop you from trading it. ([[User:Phoenix1417|Phoenix1417]] 06:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC))
:That's not how it works...the game still prevents you from trading it at all. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 00:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== Spiky-'''E'''ared Pichu ==

As seen [http://www.pokemon.com/#heartgoldsoulsilver here], the E is capital.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 15:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for that. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:04, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

== Spike The breeder ==

Is it possible for the spiky eared pichu to breed? Just a curios question. - Rocket Base
:Since it's a [[baby Pokémon]], it cannot breed. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 20:58, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
::what about if you use an everything breeds with ditto action replay code? i have one on my pearl, but i havent got spikes yet. and even then its on the wrong game. can anyone find out? or send me a code to test?

== Once and for freaking all.... ==

Can the Spiky-Eared Pichu be shiny, or can it not?! THe last two sections that talked about this had no definitive conclusion in them. First, it would be good to note this in the article. And second, if it can be shiny, I plan to SR for it when I get HeartGold. If it can't be shiny, I'd like to know so I can save myself the time and trouble. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:35, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:I think you should look at the article... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 13:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:Nevermind. I think it is an altered sprite by Tavisource. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 13:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::I see the sprite. Word is that it was put in the game for similar reasons to Arceus's ??? forme, hence I asked. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 13:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::The sprite's official and is from the data. Seeing as I don't think the RNG for HGSS is fully cracked and that the percentage of running into a shiny is low as it is... give it time. Might turn out to be like ??? Arceus, might turn out to be real. Just give it time. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 15:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I'll try to test it when HG/SS comes out. Personally I think that it's programmed not to be {{tt|shiny.|After all, you need a shiny Pichu to get it. No use in getting greedy.}}--[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 14:42, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]

== Pikachu-Colored Pichu ==

Can someone please find if the Pikachu colored Pichu can become a shiny Pikachu or Raichu and still unlock Notchie? {{tt|I think this page is really missing that information.|The event is two days away and if you CAN evolve it, I'm definitely making it a Raichu!!!!}} {{unsigned|Gen1king}}
:I'd be willing to check later tonight. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 20:02, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::I thought that both Spiky and Pikachu-colored Pichus were restricted from evolving? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:40, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:::PCP can evolve actually. Spiky can't. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I don't think that you can evolve the PCP and still get Notchie. After all, the PCP is holding an Everstone (and a Pikachu or Raichu could scare Pichu away.). --[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 01:43, 30 January 2010 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]
:::::False. You can still get Spiky if PCP evolves. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:03, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Are you sure? Then the cutscene would be different... you tried? Do you have any video footage of that? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:22, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:so, i just checked, the event will activate whether its a Pichu, Pikachu, or a Raichu. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:54, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

== Capital E? ==

I was just at GameStop getting my shiny Pichu, and while I was there I saw a poster relating to the event. The Spiky-Eared Pichu was mentioned as the Spiky-'''e'''ared Pichu. Who should be trusted more? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:Pokemon.com is probably more reliable. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:37, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::In which case, it's lowercase e... see [http://www.pokemon.com/us/news/vg_pichu_promo_final-2010-01-25/ here]. Tad bit suspicious though, as the article also states Notchie will be holding Everstone. I think that's an error. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::No, it says that PCP will be holding an Everstone - and that's true, he does. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 02:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh, whoops. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Hmm... that's odd, because we changed it to "E" from "e" because of something on Pokémon.com in December. Unfortunately, because of the overhaul on the website, the link doesn't work anymore. It used to be [http://www.pokemon.com/#heartgoldsoulsilver this]. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:07, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Going to [http://origin.pokemon.com/#heartgoldsoulsilver this] leads you to the page where Eared is Capital.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 03:36, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::So confusing! I'd say that Spiky-eared makes more sense, but Spiky-Eared seems to be used more.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 00:30, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::The [http://www.pokemongoldsilver.com/uk/shiny-pichu.html official site] says that it's a lowercase e. In these cases, the most recent information is obviously the correct one. [[User:FireMeowth|FireMeowth]] 08:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
(reset indent) Well, we have to place this fixup now. The official title is "Spiky-eared Pichu." It can be proved via HGSS's Pokédex under "Forms". [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Nature ==

Does spiky have a set nature when caught? If so, what nature is it? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:31, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:Naughty, and yes, it's locked as her nature. --[[User:Gizamimi Pichu|'''ギザみみピチュー''']][[User talk:Gizamimi Pichu|''' 話して''']] 00:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::Are naughty-natured Pokémon fond of Sour, Sweet or Dry flavors? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:::They're fond of Spicy flavors, but dislike Bitter flavors. --[[User:Gizamimi Pichu|'''ギザみみピチュー''']][[User talk:Gizamimi Pichu|''' 話して''']] 00:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Okay, so that probably means that they would neither like nor hate Grepa Berries in the games. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yeah it would be mutual. Are you by any chance trying to find a piece of trivia by comparing Spiky's tastes to [[Get Fired up, Spiky-eared Pichu!|the song]]? --[[User:Gizamimi Pichu|'''ギザみみピチュー''']][[User talk:Gizamimi Pichu|''' 話して''']] 00:59, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Actually, I'm trying to see if her Nature in the games had any connection to her Grepa Berry fondness. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:00, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I was close. --[[User:Gizamimi Pichu|'''ギザみみピチュー''']][[User talk:Gizamimi Pichu|''' 話して''']] 01:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::Since Spiky-Eared Pichu has a locked nature and gender, could it also have a fixed personality value? If so, it would mean that only certain Trainer ID and Secret ID combinations would get a shiny Pichu. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 19:35, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

== Artwork ==

Have we got any Sugimori-style (official) artwork for this Pichu? The current image looks sort of fan-artish, and event the [[Pikachu-Colored Pichu]] has official art (as seen of Nintendo.com and [[Pokémon.com]]) Even a screenshot from [[M12]] would be better, I think. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 05:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Location in games ==

Should it mention that it may be under the ownership of the player? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 05:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== So now that them games have been out for several months now.... ==

Does anyone know if ol' Spiky can be shiny? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 12:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:It can, according to the article. --[[User:Lorem of ipsums|Lorem of ipsums]] 12:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::The article says that it's still unknown if it can be shiny, or if the shiny sprites were programmed in for the same reason as Arceus's ???-forme sprites- to stop the game from crashing if this was forced to happen. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::As someone noted above, since it has a fixed gender (female) and nature (Naughty), it could probably have a fixed personality value, meaning only specific Trainer IDs and Secret IDs could work. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Even if it doesn't have a fixed PV, the fixed nature-gender allows enough leeway that a shiny one generated could be rerolled, similarly to the Mystery Gift Pokémon. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone know? ==
If by evolving your shiny Pichu you can then no longer get the Spiky-eared Pichu. I know that it is the ball holding it that causes the event to happen, but I wonder as the shiny Pichu came with an Everstone if this was to make sure it always remains a Pichu to activate the event? [[User:011284mm|011284mm]] 18:52, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:[[#Pikachu-Colored Pichu|Look up]]. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

== Breeding? ==

Can you breed the Spiky-eared Pichu? And if you can, will it be Spiky-eared or not? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 19:41, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver beta

2010-08-09T00:46:32Z

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== What about Gold's back sprite? ==

Can someone add that.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:23, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
:I don't have a clue what you're talking about. If you know something '''put it on the page!''' Coz otherwise this is mega-empty. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:15, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== unused npc ==
using walkthrough code in new bark town, there is an npc in top right corner of new bark town. do we need to mention this -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:49, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:Can you provide a screen shot?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::[[File:unusedNpc.png]] here is the screenshot -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 05:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it might be a glitch, or beta. The first pic, it that overworld sprite any different from any other? In the second pic, it looks like red.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 13:43, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Actually, MB, it looks like Silver. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 15:00, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::oops, I was thinking of his red hair, so I put down red. But yea that's Silver.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 15:07, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
what happens when you talk to them--[[User:Megamaxxor|Megamaxxor]] 14:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Alsow perhaps thees are holding areas for NCPs that can't always be seen and if compleetly removed would be deleted (I know but Its just a guess)

== Beta Pichu? ==

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/archive/a/a9/20090911053156%21Spr_4h_172_s.png
does this qualify as a beta? We used this sprite until HGSS was released and the new sprite was riped. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 15:05, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:I say so, is it in the internal data or used during promotion?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 15:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::Promo I think. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 15:10, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Then, yea, b/c there was lots of beta things for D/P and they were on promo stuff, so put it in there.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 15:11, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

== Just wanted a few translations ==

I took my time to pick out some of the untranslated Japanese text from a Pokémon Heartgold and Soulsilver text dump.
Many of these suggest debugging features e.g. "Debug Scrpt" or possible future features (e.g. text about the Lock Capsule). Note that there are ''a lot'' more unused dialogue.

I don't want to use Google translater to translate the following text, so can somebody properly translate it please?

# ギネス
# でんわよびだ
# ゲームボーイ
# ダンジョンカットイン
# んテスト

--[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 13:33, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

# ギネス "Ginesu". Only thing i could find about this is its the kana used in the title of "Guiness Book of World Records" in Japanese
# でんわよびだ "Phonecall"
# ゲームボーイ "Gameboy"
# ダンジョンカットイン "Dungeon Cut-in"
# んテスト "n test"
--[[User:CherryParanoia|'''Cherry''']][[User talk:CherryParanoia|'''Paranoia''']] 22:04, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

:Thanks so much --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 11:12, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::If theres any more text dump you need help with, ask me in my talk page. I'll gladly help out --[[User:CherryParanoia|'''Cherry''']][[User talk:CherryParanoia|'''Paranoia''']] 18:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

== Red Gyarados Front ==

I looked at some beta images for the [[Red Gyarados]], and it shows a different version of it in one of the pre-release screenshots. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 00:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Pupitar (Pokémon)

2010-08-07T15:30:27Z

Pawsrent: /* Trivia */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Larvitar | next=Tyranitar|type=rock|type2=ground| prevnum=246| nextnum=248}}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Pupitar |
jname=サナギラス |
tmname=Sanagiras |
art=HGSS |
size=135px |
pron=<sc>''pyu''-pih-tar</sc> |
ndex=247 |
oldjdex=245 |
jdex=250 |
hdex=382 |
fbrow=194 |
abrow=121 |
obrow=217 |
opbrow=088 |
typen=2 |
type1=Rock |
type2=Ground |
species=Hard Shell |
height-ftin=3'11″ |
height-m=1.2 |
weight-lbs=335.1 |
weight-kg=152.0 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Shed Skin |
ability2= |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Monster |
egggroup2= |
eggcycles=40 |
evat=2 |
expyield=144 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Gray |
catchrate=45 |
body=02 |
pokefordex=pupitar |
generation=2 |
footnotes=}}
'''Pupitar''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''サナギラス''' ''Sanagiras'') is a dual-type {{2t|Rock|Ground}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Larvitar}} starting at [[level]] 30, and evolves into {{p|Tyranitar}} starting at level 55.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Pupitar are somewhat large Pokémon that are encased inside a thick shell made of grayish-blue rock. They have several spikes and holes for eyes and what appears to be eyebrows, but are actually triangular openings. They appear much like other pupa Pokémon like {{p|Metapod}} and {{p|Kakuna}}, but are far from helpless, as they possess enough power to topple mountains. Since its arms and legs are developing inside the shell, Pupitar are capable of venting gas to propel themselves around.

====Gender differences====
None.

===Special abilities===
It is one of the few Pokémon not at its last stage of [[evolution]] to be able to wield a {{m|Hyper Beam}}. Pupitar is also capable of propelling itself through the air by venting pressurized gas.

===Behavior===
Pupitar creates a gas inside its body that it compresses and forcefully ejects to propel itself like a jet or rocket.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Mountain.gif|right|frame|{{DL|List of Pokémon by habitat|Mountain Pokémon}}]]
Despite being encased in a hard shell, Pupitar live and move freely around harsh mountain ranges.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:Ritchie Cruise.png|thumb|right|Cruise, Ritchie's Pupitar]]
===Major appearances===
[[Ritchie]] has a Pupitar named Cruise which is seen from ''[[EP220|The Mystery is History!]]'' to ''[[EP222|A Promise is a Promise]]''.

===Minor appearances===
[[Rico]], a Pokémon Poacher, had a Pupitar that evolved into a {{p|Tyranitar}} in ''[[AG006|A Poached Ego!]]''.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Johto}}
{{Animedexbody|EP220|Pupitar|Ash's Pokédex|Pupitar, the Hard Shell Pokémon. Pupitar is encased in a nearly indestructible shell and has enough power to topple a mountain.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|original|Johto}}

==In the manga==
===Pokémon Adventures===
Pupitar first appeared in one of Lance's flashbacks in {{PAV|12}}, where he first encountered {{adv|Silver}}. He switched out Pupitar to counter the {{m|Pursuit}} from Silver's {{p|Murkrow}}.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Pupitar (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===NPC appearances===
* {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}: [[Go-Rock Quads|Billy]] uses a Pupitar to back up his {{p|Tyranitar}}.

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=rock
|type2=ground
|gen=2
|golddex=Its shell is as hard as sheet rock, and it is also very strong. Its {{m|thrash}}ing can topple a mountain.
|silverdex=Even sealed in its shell, it can move freely. Hard and fast, it has outstanding destructive power.
|crystaldex=It will not stay still, even while it's a pupa. It already has arms and legs under its solid shell.
|rsdex=Pupitar creates a gas inside its body that it compresses and forcefully ejects to propel itself like a jet. The body is very durable - it avoids damage even if it hits solid steel.
|emeralddex=A Pupitar creates a gas inside its body that it ejects under compression to propel itself like a jet. Its body can withstand a collision with solid steel.
|firereddex=Even sealed in its shell, it can move freely. Hard and fast, it has outstanding destructive power.
|leafgreendex=Its shell is as hard as sheet rock, and it is also very strong. Its {{m|thrash}}ing can topple a mountain.
|stadium2dex=Its shell is as hard as sheet rock, and it is also very strong. Its {{m|thrash}}ing can topple a mountain.
|dpptdex=Its body is as hard as bedrock. By venting pressurized gas, it can launch itself like a rocket.
|heartgolddex=Its shell is as hard as sheet rock, and it is also very strong. Its thrashing can topple a mountain.
|soulsilverdex=Even sealed in its shell, it can move freely. Hard and fast, it has outstanding destructive power.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability |
gen=2 |
type=Rock |
type2=ground |
gsarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Larvitar}} |
crarity=Rare |
carea=[[Mt. Silver|Silver Cave]] |
gen3ex=frlg|
frlgarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Larvitar}} |
xdarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Larvitar}} |
gen4ex=diamond|
dparea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Larvitar}} |
ptarea=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Larvitar}} |
hgssrarity=Rare |
hgssarea=[[Mt. Silver|Silver Cave]] |
palarea=Mountain |
}}

====In side games====
{{SidegameAvail
|type=rock
|type2=ground
|trozei=Endless Level 63 Endless Level 70 Forever Level 13 [[Mr. Who's Den]]
|md=[[Mt. Freeze]] (3F-5F) [[Buried Relic]] (60F-70F) [[Southern Cavern]] (37F-45F) [[Joyous Tower]] (62F-66F)
|ranger=[[Sekra Mountain Range]]
|md2=[[Quicksand Cave]] (B1-B10) [[Quicksand Pit]] (B1)
|ranger2=[[Chroma Ruins]]
|ranger3=[[Faldera Island]]
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=rock|
type2=ground|
HP= 70 |
Attack= 84 |
Defense=70 |
SpAtk= 65 |
SpDef= 70 |
Speed= 51 }}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Rock
|type2=Ground
|Speed=3
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=4
|PowerMax=4
|Technique=1
|TechniqueMax=1
|Stamina=3
|StaminaMax=4
|Jump=2
|JumpMax=4
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=rock|
type2=ground|
Normal= 50 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 50 |
Poison= 25 |
Ground= 200 |
Rock= 50 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 200 |

Fire= 50 |
Water= 400 |
Grass= 400 |
Electric= 0 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|rock|ground|4|2|Pupitar}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Bite|Dark|Physical|60|100|25|Tough|3||''}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|5|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|10|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|14|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|Tough|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|19|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|90|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|23|Thrash|Normal|Physical|90|100|20|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|28|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15|Cool|0||''}}
{{mlentry4|34|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10|Cool|1||''}}
{{mlentry4|41|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|2||''}}
{{mlentry4|47|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|54|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|60|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{movelist/note|3|rock|ground}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|rock|ground|4|2|Pupitar}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM12]]|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20|Smart|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM26]]|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM28]]|Dig|Ground|Physical|80|100|10|Smart|1||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM31]]|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM37]]|Sandstorm|Rock|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM39]]|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10|Smart|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM41]]|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM66]]|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10|Cool|1||''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM69]]|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM71]]|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM76]]|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM79]]|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15|Cool|0||''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM80]]|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10|Tough|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM06]]|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15|Tough|2}}
{{movelist/note|4|rock|ground}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|rock|ground|4|2|Pupitar}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Rampardos}} {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Bastiodon}}|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5|Tough|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Rampardos}}|Assurance|Dark|Physical|50|100|10|Beauty|2||''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Slowpoke}}, {{p|Slowbro}}, {{p|Slowking}} {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Grotle}}, {{p|Torterra}}|Curse|???|Status|—|—|10|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Charmander}}, {{p|Charmeleon}}, {{p|Charizard}} {{p|Lapras}} {{p|Totodile}}, {{p|Croconaw}}, {{p|Feraligatr}}|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20|Cool|0|*}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Nidoran♂}}, {{p|Nidorino}}, {{p|Nidoking}} {{p|Cubone}}, {{p|Marowak}} {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Rampardos}}|Focus Energy|Normal|Status|—|—|30|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Aron}}, {{p|Lairon}}, {{p|Aggron}} {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Bastiodon}}|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Aron}}, {{p|Lairon}}, {{p|Aggron}} {{p|Shieldon}}, {{p|Bastiodon}}|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Charmander}}, {{p|Charmeleon}}, {{p|Charizard}} {{p|Gible}}, {{p|Gabite}}, {{p|Garchomp}}|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|2|*}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Treecko}}, {{p|Grovyle}}, {{p|Sceptile}} {{p|Cranidos}}, {{p|Rampardos}}|Pursuit|Dark|Physical|40|100|20|Smart|1||''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Lickitung}}, {{p|Lickilicky}} {{p|Rhyhorn}}, {{p|Rhydon}}, {{p|Rhyperior}} {{p|Whismur}}, {{p|Loudred}}, {{p|Exploud}} {{p|Tropius}}|Stomp|Normal|Physical|65|100|20|Tough|3}}
{{eggmoves/note|3|rock|ground}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|rock|ground|4|2|Pupitar}}
{{mtentry4|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5|Tough|2||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Earth Power|Ground|Special|90|100|10|Smart|2||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Headbutt|Normal|Physical|70|100|15|Tough|3|||no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Mud-Slap|Ground|Special|20|100|10|Cute|3||'''|no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cool|3|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Spite|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Superpower|Fighting|Physical|120|100|5|Tough|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Uproar|Normal|Special|50|100|10|Cute|2|||no|yes|yes}}
{{tutor/note|4|rock|ground}}

===Side game data===
{{Sidegame|
type=rock |
ndex=247 |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=-19% |
area=Mt. Cleft |
P1=I'm in a pupal stage, but I can jump around. No problem! |
P2=Listen, my HP is down about halfway now. |
P3=I'm pooped. I can't even hop about anymore... |
PL=I leveled up! My shell grew even harder, too! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=yes |
group=Ground |
assist=Rock |
field=None |
fieldpower=0 |
loop=13 |
MinEXP=45 |
MaxEXP=59 |
browser=Pupitar tackles with its spiky body and makes numerous {{M|Rock Slide|rocks tumble down}}. |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=0.5% |
iq=C |
Ranger2=yes |
group2=Ground |
assist2=Ground |
field2=Crush |
field2power=2 |
browser2=It leaps around incredibly quickly while ramming to attack. |
Ranger3=yes |
group3=Ground |
assist3=Ground |
field3=Crush |
field3power=3 |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=246
|name1=Larvitar
|type1-1=Rock
|type2-1=Ground
|evotype1=Level
|level1=30
|sprite2=247
|name2=Pupitar
|type1-2=Rock
|type2-2=Ground
|evotype2=Level
|level2=55
|sprite3=248
|name3=Tyranitar
|type1-3=Rock
|type2-3=Dark}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=rock|
type2=ground|
gen=2|
gender=none|
ndex=247|
name=Pupitar|
}}

==Trivia==
*Not counted with Generation V Pokémon, Pupitar is currently the middle of the National Pokédex: there are 246 Pokémon before and after it.
*Despite having no visible teeth, it still able to learn {{m|Bite}} and {{m|Crunch}} via level-up.
**Also, although having no visible feet, which it sealed itself in the shell, it is able to learn {{m|Stomp}} via breeding.
*Pupitar, along with {{p|Shelgon}}, are the only non-Bug Pokémon to go through metamorphosis-like evolution, as well as being pupa-like Pokémon. Both are able to learn {{m|Iron Defense}} via tutor-move, while their respective final evolution not. Both of their final forms ({{p|Tyranitar}} and {{p|Salamence}}) are [[Pseudo-legendary|pseudo-legendaries]].
**Despite this, its evolution line are still learn this move, only via breeding.
**Also, it is only Pokémon that undergoes metamorphosis-like evolution that's defense base stat is not higher than its attack. Instead, its attack base stat is the highest.

===Origin===
Pupitar is based on a pupa, as it is between its evolutionary line's larval stage ({{p|Larvitar}}) and adulthood ({{p|Tyranitar}}).

====Name origin====
Pupitar's name is based on ''{{wp|pupa}}'', the stage in some insects between the larval stage and adulthood. Its Japanese name may be based on 蛹 ''sanagi'', pupa, and 嫌い ''kirai'', hate.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Pupitar
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Ymphect - From ''{{wp|Nymph (biology)|nymph}}'' and ''infecte'' (disgusting). It may also have been named that way to resemble ''insecte''.
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 데기라스 ''Degiraseu''
*[[List of Chinese Pokémon names|Chinese (Taiwan)]]: 沙基拉 ''Shā Jī Lā'' - Transliteration of its Japanese name.

==External links==

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Larvitar | next=Tyranitar|type=rock|type2=ground| prevnum=246| nextnum=248}}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[pl:Pupitar]]

[[de:Pupitar]]
[[es:Pupitar]]
[[fr:Ymphect]]
[[ja:サナギラス]]
[[pt:Pupitar (pokémon)]]

Talk:Hall of Origin

2010-08-06T21:56:33Z

Pawsrent: /* Arceus */ new section

So if you beat Arceus here, with a Magneton gaining experience and therefore a level from that, it'd evolve, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 19:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== Hold up! ==

...if this is a separate area accessed by teleport from Spear Pillar (as indicated by the screen whiteout during the event), that should mean it can be accessed with the surf glitch. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 23:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think the point is you ''can'' access it, but you can't leave without the stairs.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::What if you use Escape Rope? |: Would you be able to get out with that...? [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 16:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::Probably I guess. '''[[User:LugiaFan|''Lugia'']][[User talk:LugiaFan|''Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"]]''' 16:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Someone should test it out o: [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 16:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::::I can't cause I have no ascess to the Hall of Orgin. '''[[User:LugiaFan|''Lugia'']][[User talk:LugiaFan|''Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"]]''' 16:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
a full:::::Me nether, i have no DS cheat devices ether. D: So i can't. But i'd really like to know now [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 16:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::There is gonna be an event to get the Flute soon I think. '''[[User:LugiaFan|''Lugia'']][[User talk:LugiaFan|''Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"]]''' 16:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::What the...? Nintendo haven't even officially revealed Arceus yet! D: How can there be an event? [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 17:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I said I THINK. '''[[User:LugiaFan|''Lugia'']][[User talk:LugiaFan|''Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"]]''' 17:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Damn, no need to go capital locks on me D: [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 17:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Chill out guysss...I just opened my DS up and since I have the Azure Flute (got it from a friend's AR a while ago, I'm no cheater, I just wanted Arceus :P) I'll go check out the Hall of Origin and try to use an Escape Rope there. Assuming I can still reach it. --'''[[User:Gabbie|gabbie]]''' | '''[[User_talk:Gabbie|talk]]''' 17:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:Wait, do you guys want to know if you can leave it if you reached it via Surf Glitch, or if you can just leave it normally? --'''[[User:Gabbie|gabbie]]''' | '''[[User_talk:Gabbie|talk]]''' 17:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::we want to know if you can escape using an Escape Rope. '''[[User:LugiaFan|''Lugia'']][[User talk:LugiaFan|''Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"]]''' 18:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Uhuh. Cause if you can i wanna put a note about it in the article... [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 18:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::::No I wanna DO IT. '''[[User:LugiaFan|''Lugia'']][[User talk:LugiaFan|''Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"]]''' 18:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::Excuse me, chill out please. --'''[[User:Gabbie|gabbie]]''' | '''[[User_talk:Gabbie|talk]]''' 18:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

::::Okay well, I just finally got to the Spear Pillar (I had forgotten how to get there, haven't played this game in ages), and I blew the Azure Flute, and it just says this:
:::: ''The Azure Flute echoed hollowly...''
:::: ''It appears to be meaningless using the Azure Flute here...''
::::And I tried it in different spots, and it said the same thing, so basically, since I've already caught Arceus, the Azure Flute has become obsolete and I can no longer access the Hall of Origin. D: So...someone who's never done it before will have to try this out. --'''[[User:Gabbie|gabbie]]''' | '''[[User_talk:Gabbie|talk]]''' 18:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::D| Damn. Can an Azure Flute be attached to a Pokémon and traded? Cause if it can, im gonna ask my friends if anyone has one i could borrow/have... [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 18:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::Unfortunately, key items can not be traded. Sorry hun. D: --'''[[User:Gabbie|gabbie]]''' | '''[[User_talk:Gabbie|talk]]''' 18:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Oh right D| I didn't know if it was a key item or not. Oh well. [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 18:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

How about battling Arceus with 6 poisoned Pokémon? You could catch it, it would transport to the PC, then you could walk around the Hall until your last Pokémon faints. --[[User:Fsilone|隼也]] 22:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure that would work. |: [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 22:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

It won't work cos poisoning stops at 1HP now--[[User:Dion24|Dion24]] 00:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
:O: Does it? I...never noticed, my Pokémon hardly get poisoned... So yeah... D: [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 00:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Did not know that. Probably because I don't have a DS. --[[User:Fsilone|隼也]] 16:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

That was probably a faulty cheat if the flute didn't work. Once I get Arceus- already accessed Hall of Origin- I'll try it out.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

It's pointless to try it in the Hall of Origin. You can't use it in Spear Pillar, and since they're connected, I'm 99% you won't be able to there either.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 02:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

:Doesn't work. I just realized, if someone bothers enough to hack the game to get Arceus and get stuck in Hall of Origin, wouldn't it make sense that they could just get an AR, use the WTW cheat, and walk(rather, fall) off the platform?[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 01:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

::EXTRA EXTRA! I surf-glitched into the hall of origin! Then i caught arceus and then... Used an escape rope! It worked! This may need verifying but as far as i know it works. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 12:20, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

== Problem? ==

When I got the Azure Flute from the Action Replay I went to Spear Pillar and I still couldn't get to the hall of origin. Did anyone else have this problem or am I just a loser cheater? [[User:Rucario64]]

It's because you havn't activated the event itself. Do that and then the flute should work. [[User:Tywddle|Tywddle]] 19:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

== You CAN escape from Hall of Origin ==

It has been proven that if you AR yourself to Hall of Origin without the Flute, ''the stairs are in fact there.''

I don't know what started the rumor that if you AR to Hall of Origin there will be no stairs.

Remember that Hall of Origin and Spear Pillar are entirely separate areas. HoO always has the stairs, and Spear Pillar never does. {{unsigned|Blueapple128}}

:Er, cool. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:22, 25 January 2009 (UTC)=

::Not just that, but I'm pretty sure that if you were to enter the Hall of Origin via surf glitch with a [[Pomeg_Glitch|Pomeg Glitched]] Pokémon with the Faint status (See: Battling with no Pokémon), you might be able to catch Arceus via Master Ball or luck, then faint and black out back to the Pokémon center. I don't know if this will work, so can someone check? [[User:PhoenixGraphix|Phoenix]][[User_Talk:PhoenixGraphix|Graphix]] 23:10, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Getback... ==

OK, so I know so far that
*Going to the Hall and knocking out Arceus allows you to come back to the Hall later
*Going to the Hall and catchin Arceus by any means prevents you to come back to the Hall
*Arceus is ****ing awesome, having his own place in the heavens aboev a legendary mountain and being able to change type = Pwnage!

What I don't know is
*What happens if you go to the hall, catch Arceus, leave, release Arceus, and come back.

Can I get an answer? --[[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]]. 17:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:Why would it reappear if you released it? When you release a Pokémon it stops existing. You're not going to find it ever again.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Actually, if you relese a legendary pokemon, you can normally get it back. It worked on my freinds silver. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 12:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
::We relesed an Ho-Ho and we found it back as the tower (was it the tin or the brass? cant remember) [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 12:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Hall of Origin forums ==

Should the fourum "Hall of Origin" be mentioned here?
Cause, they're sorta dedicated to finding this place via the tweaking glitch and stuff.

You can find it at www.halloforigin.com --[[User:~Poke~|~Poke~]] 07:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
:Not notable, I think. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

It says in the article that the Arceus caught here is the second highest legitimate Pokémon in the game. But, you can only get there by hacking, since the Azure Flute hasn't been released. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 21:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Days of the week

2010-08-06T13:58:11Z

Pawsrent: /* HGSS Leaders */

what about drifloon apearing of fridays in gen IV?--[[User:Kittenchild|Kittenchild]] 19:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

It's on there --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 19:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

....sorry I should have re-read it first.--[[User:Kittenchild|Kittenchild]] 19:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Is there an article or a section about things which you can do once a day but can do again once midnight rolls over (Berry Master handing out a free berry, Veilstone girl offering a massage, etc)? If there's not, I can start putting one together... [[User:Recalcitrancy|Recalcitrancy]] 14:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

:And the rival battle on a Monday when the time rolls over from Sunday and you stay in the same area. -- [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 14:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

==Order of the days==
In the ISO 8601 Monday is described to be the first day of the week as an international standard so should it not be reflected here as well?
[[User:Morri|Morri]] 16:34, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== HGSS ==

So what're we gonna do about it. It's likely to have the same events as Gen II. Copying or putting Gen II/HGSS? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'll have to say copying it into Gen IV section. {{tt|But I'm always wrong|ain't I TTE}}.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 07:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Every Day ==

I suggest we add either a section to this article or a new article that chronicles events that happen Every Day. I have looked but I cannot find one on the wiki. The Time article is mainly concerned with the visual effects of time, and doesn't mention any specific events. I think a section in this article would be handy because then we could have all the time based events in one place. It'd certainly be nice to have all the gym leader registration information for HGSS in one place, because popping back and forth between articles to figure out who is on a specific day and who can be registered on any day is a total pain. [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 12:26, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:Isn't that what the current page setup is? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:10, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
::No? The current page seems to list things that happen on specific days. But there are also events that take place every day of the week. For instant, Brock's pokégear registration isn't listed here because it doesn't occur on a specific day. You can do it on any day between noon and three in the afternoon. As far as I can tell no events like that are on the page... [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 00:29, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:::If it happens on every day of the week, then I don't think it needs to be mentioned on a page specific to days of the week. >_> it can just be mentioned elsewhere. (using your example, Brock's PokeGear registration could be just put on Brock's page, since it doesn't matter what day you get it, just the time). --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 00:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh, so that's what you meant by "every day". Gotcha. Like ZC said, we don't need a page listing what you can do every single day. That would basically be summarizing the whole game, because most tasks and quests can be done on any day. It's the events that only happen once out of every seven that are unique, and require mention here. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:23, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::How many events vary by time but not day? If there are enough it may be worth creating a list or at least a section on the main time article. However I do think that such a section would not belong on this page.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 10:33, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::Off the top of my head I can think of three events that varie by time but not day- registering Brock, registering Jasmine, and getting a massage from Blue's sister in Palette. That's the sort of event I was talking about, sorry, I really failed to make myself clear. Events that occur based on time of day, but not the actual day. It wouldn't include the whole game since stuff like challenging the Elite Four has nothing to do with the time of day, if you catch my drift. The reason I suggested adding that content to this page was because it'd be incredibly useful to have one page that lists all the things like gym leader registration time. Admittedly time based event that don't apply to specific days of the week should probably go in a different place. Maybe [[Time]]? [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 13:29, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::::If this is primarily about Pokégear registration, I've put a new section on the [[Pokégear]] page and am slowly filling it in. If you wish, try making a section on the Time article. We'll see how it goes. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I would second the creation of some time of page, be it here on this page or elsewhere, which chronicles "events" which take place at a specific time. I would also appreciate it if we made a list somewhere that tracks events which can be done once per day, such as the Berry Master in DP, as an example --[[User:Mewmor|Mewmor]] 21:52, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I have created a [[User:Beligaronia/Sandbox|sandbox]] with all the events I could think of. This could either be added as a section to the Time article or its own article if more is added. Needs some work so feel free to edit it.–[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 22:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:That article seems to be focused on things that happen at particular times every day. Would it also be appropriate to add things like the Lottery which happen every day, but not at a particular time?--[[User:Delecti|Delecti]] 02:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

== Link to current day? ==

In the intro section, it currently says
<pre>It is currently {{#time: l}} (UTC).</pre>
Would it be a good idea to add a link there to the section that applies to the current day? For example,
<pre>It is currently [[Days of the week#{{#time: l}}|{{#time: l}}]] (UTC).</pre>
seems to work when I preview it, but I don't know if that sort of syntax would cause problems, or if there's some better way to go about it, or what.

I just thought that this would make it easier for people who come to the page thinking, "what's going on in my game today, again?" (I personally do this often. :P) Much less scrolling and all. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 16:19, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== Silver in HGSS ==

Okay, for events, like on Monday, where it says Silver can be battled at Indigo Plateau, once you've battled him can he be rebattled a week later? I can't seem to find him anywhere, so I'm thinking probably not. If that's the case, it's probably worth pointing out in the article? --[[User:Oatzy|Oatzy]] 17:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:: Nevermind, figured it out. After the first time, you have to do the tag battle in the dragon's den before he'll battle you again (in Indigo Plateau).--[[User:Oatzy|Oatzy]] 15:42, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== thursday ==

I registered Whitney at daytime during Thursday at goldenrod department store... could someone clarify the time that she will appear on that day??? [[User:wisp82|wisp82]] 02:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== "Evening?" ==

I have noticed that in HGSS, gym leaders who can be rechallenged in the evening cannot be called from 8:00pm to 3:59am the following morning, but from 12:00am-3:59am or from 8:00pm to 11:59pm on the day specified. This clarification should be made somewhere.--[[User:Mewmor|Mewmor]] 21:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== HGSS Leaders ==

I noticed that there are a few Gym Leaders that aren't on the registration list. Could somebody please add the missing Leaders? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 13:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Days of the week

2010-08-06T13:57:47Z

Pawsrent: /* HGSS Leaders */ new section

Talk:Valuable item

2010-08-05T21:27:58Z

Pawsrent: /* Mushrooms */ new section

==Nugget==
Has Nugget any function other then being sold for a lot of money?[[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 17:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:Bag space. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 01:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I ''really'' want to add Japanese trivia of the Nugget, because it's an important in-joke of Japanese Pokemon fandom. But I also feel that it's inappropriate at the same time... --[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 13:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:What would it be? That it's a piece of crap? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 15:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
::In Japanese, it's ''''kin no tama'''' (きんのたま、金の玉 lit. golden ball). It's also a colloquial term for testicles, and the man offering you his "testicles" is a frequent joke amongst Japanese fans, especially since how the protagonist is still an underage child and all. --[[User:Kohei|Pizza]][[User talk:Kohei|man]] 13:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

It says under Slowpoketail that
:"One key point of interest is when first introduced, the Team Rocket member mentions the Slowpoketail's value as a delicacy, being the first time that it's ever mentioned of the use of any Pokémon as an actual food (for human consumption), a rather controversial subject of what kind of creature is the contributor of meat (of any kind) in the Pokémon world"
but my friend pointed out that in one episode, I think [[EP049]], the Pokedex says that people find Farfetch'd delicious.[[User:Daihatsuboy|Daihatsuboy]] 02:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::I vaguely remember hearing that. If you can find a clip it would be perfect[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::I know I'm replying to old crap, but I was gonna mention this anyways: [[The Official Pokémon Handbook]] says that people think Farfetch'd is tasty served with leeks and that's why it's rare. :P [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 21:16, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

::::Also in the episode when everyone is on the SS Anne it shows them talk about eating a Magikarp. This has happened in many different episodes before Gen II even came out so the statement of "One key point of interest is when first introduced, the Team Rocket member mentions the Slowpoketail's value as a delicacy, being the first time that it's ever mentioned of the use of any Pokémon as an actual food (for human consumption), a rather controversial subject of what kind of creature is the contributor of meat (of any kind) in the Pokémon world. This is also the first time that Pokémon cruelty is mentioned explicitly." is totally wrong. It should be removed completely since its false.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 05:57, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Gold Nugget ==

"In Generation IV it is officially announced that nuggets are made of gold, though the Generation III sprite revealed this beforehand."

I remember reading in Generation II, when you select a Nugget (and the description is below), that it says, "Made of pure gold. Sells high". So I would think that the info about Gen IV is wrong. --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 04:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

== pearl -> big pearl ==

On route 20 a swimmer asks if pearls grow bigger inside Cloyster. Do pearls turn into big pearls if you give them to a Cloyster to hold for long enough? --[[User:Jared|Jared]] 20:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:Not that I've heard of. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

== Tiny + Big Mushrooms in RSE? ==

I noticed that the sections for the Tiny and Big Mushrooms don't have any information whatsoever regarding their existance in RSE. It appears as though the mushrooms don't exist in RSE, as they neither have any Bag caption information nor any location information. I belive that this should be rectified as soon as would be convinient. --[[User:Alex S.|Alex S.]] 05:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Well, I forgot to mention this here after I changed it, but by looking through all of our articles on Hoenn locations, I found that Tiny Mushrooms may be found hidden in [[Petalburg Woods]]. Big Mushrooms must be traded. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Price of a Nugget? ==

It sold for {{pdollar}}5000 in the games after Gen.1. How do we include that in the article? [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 19:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:I found a parameter hidden in [[Template:Item]] that gave sell notes, so I used that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Mushrooms ==

I know that this may be a dumb question, but do Big/TinyMushrooms have any use outside of FRLG? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 21:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:List of Korean Pokémon names

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OK... I think this list needs reviewing by someone who knows
# The names of the Pokémon in Korean (there are some occasional errors, like 바라섹트 ''Parasekt'ŭ'' vs. the correct (and expected given 파라스 ''P'aras'') 파라섹트 ''P'arasekt'ŭ'')
# The Korean language well enough to figure out the puns, and hence, where the spelling doesn't quite reflect pronunciation - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:03, 12 December 2005 (CST)

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Also, in case you're wondering, I got all the Korean names from [http://www.pokedex.jp/foreign/ this page], which gives them for all Pokémon up to Celebi. Unfortunately, it only lists the Generation III Pokémon with English, German, and French names. [[User:Woopert|Woopert]] 16:55, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== As Yet Unnumbered ==

I don't know if Korean names of the As Yet Unnumbered Pokémon are real. I think they are phonetic translation of the Japanese names used yet before annoucing the Japanese ones. I think official Korean names will be different than these. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Maxim|Maxim]]''

These are from the official Korean movie website. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 00:22, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by "movie website"? A Korean Website of Pokémon 9 movie or the overall movies website? If it is the overall movies website it can use the Japanese names because the article on this site can be about Japanese release of the movie. I think it's too early for the Korean release of movie. When Korean release will be officially announced the names of featured Pokémon will be announced as well. I really think the info you found is about Japanese release. - [[User:Maxim|Maxim]]

The [http://www.pokemon-movie2006.co.kr/ Pokémon movie for 2006] is out in Korea five days after Japan. You need to do your research. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 09:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Hoenn Names ==

I have got the Korean names of Hoenn Pokemon but I can't romanize them properly. - ''unsigned comment made by [[User:Maxim|Maxim]] on 09:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)''

== Inaccuracies ==

As stated above this article needs the attention of an expert, but I was wondering, should the M-R and RR even be used? I contacted a friend of mine who understands Korean, and upon seeing the romanizations on this page, she said they don't really take into account how the names are actually pronounced. [[User:Maxim|Maxim]] found the Generation III names [http://qkdlrnt.compuz.com/zboard/view.php?id=chit&page=1&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=33/ here], and my friend translated several and they seem to be accurate, such as:
* #255 Torchic: 아차모 Achamo (アチャモ Achamo)
* #261 Poochyena: 포차나 P'ochana
* #265 Wurmple: 개무소 Kemuso (ケムッソ Kemusso)
* #266 Silcoon: 실쿤 Shilk'un
* #268 Cascoon: 카스쿤 K'as()k'un
* #271 Ralts: 로토스 Rat'os()
* #272 Kirlia: 로파파 K'iria
* #275 Shiftry: 다탱구 Dat'engu (ダーテング Dātengu)
* #276 Taillow: 테일로 T'eiro
* #277 Swellow: 스왈로 S()waro
She used () to represent a vowel that can't really be romanized well. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 05:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

:M-R and RR are the main generally-accepted romanisation systems, which are a compromise between distinguishing all the sounds in Korean, spelling words as they are spelt in Han'gŭl, and spelling it in a way that (properly trained) English speakers are likely to appreciate. (The other one is Yale, and that one is just plain useless for anything but linguistics. For example, 한글 is ''hankul'', 한자 is ''hanca'', 서울 is ''sewul'', 안녕하세요 is ''annyeng haseyyo'' and 한국어 is ''hankuke''.) Now if your friend can qualify what she means by "how the names are actually pronounced", I'll be happy to make necessary corrections, but as far as I can tell, what she is writing is an odd mixture of M-R (and not to mention doesn't match up with the Han'gŭl at all in some places) (Ach'amo, P'och'ana, Kemuso, Silk'un, K'asŭkun, Rotosŭ, Rop'ap'a, Tat'enggu, T'eillo and Sŭwallo) and RR (Achamo, Pochana, Silkun, Kaseukun, Rotoseu, Ropapa, Datenggu, Teillo, Seuwallo). - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

::The basic problem is that no romanization system is perfect, and she does her best to make it understandable to normal English speakers. She admitted that it would look like a mix of both system. If my friend or someone else can verify those in the link are correct, I'll add them to the table, although I'll need someone to romanize them. So far, Treecko to Slaking I know are correct... let's hope that site doesn't have any typos. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 10:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

== Sinnoh ==

I've got a few Sinnoh Pokémon Korean names but I'm not sure if they are real.

*Bidoof - 비버니 ''Bibeoni''
*Buneary - 이어롤 ''Earrol''
*Glameow - 야오밍 ''Yaoming''
*Bonsly - 꼬지지 ''Kkojiji''
*Mime Jr. - 흉내내 ''Hyungnaenae''
*Lucario - 루카리오 ''Lucario''
*Weavile - 포푸니라 ''Popunira''
*Electivire - 에레키블 ''Elekibull''
*Palkia - 펄키아 ''Pealkia''

I'm really not sure about their reality. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Trademarked names ==

I just realized we don't have the official romanizations trademarks listed here like we do for the Japanese names. Should we get them? Charmander is trademarked as Faili, for example. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 10:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:Here's a few I've gathered from one of the trademark databases:
:*Bulbasaur - 이상해씨 - Isanghessi
:*Charmander - 파이리 - Faili
:*Squirtle - 꼬부기 - Kkobugi / Khobugi (2 trademarks were listed o_O)
:*Caterpie - 캐터피 - Keterpi
:*Pikachu - 피카츄 - Pikachu / Picartue
:*Raichu - 라이츄 - Raichu
:[[User:DanPMK|MK]] 15:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
::Well, not until we find out the rest of names. What's your source on these trademarked names? If I had a source on Trademarked Korean Names, I would put them here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I got them from the [http://detseng.kipris.or.kr/dets_en/loin1000a.do?method=loginTM Korea Intellectual Property Rights Information Service]. [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 16:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

I didn't want to bring this up on the [[List of German Pokémon names|other]] [[List of French Pokémon names|articles]] that have this problem, since they don't yet have talk pages, but shouldn't we include sprites on this and [[List of German Pokémon names|the]] [[List of French Pokémon names|other]] pages? Just saying. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 18:39, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Mystery Zone

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I added a) 'Mystery Zone' is the real title of the area; that's never stated...b) messing with loading of snowstorms and such... [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 02:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

==White/Black areas==

Okay, so last night (at the time of writing) I was messing around with the 'Walk Through Walls' cheat that is included in Codejunkies' cheat list for Diamond and Pearl. I set out over the Mystery Zone from Sandgem Town, aiming for Jubilife. All goes well, until I try and walk up to the GTS area - I can't get past the line where the Type guy stands. So I kinda shrug, press R again and get past him. As I don't have any badges the GTS man trys to stop me as I walk past him, I move on and....

Jubilife got eaten. There's huge walls of black, like I've been tweaking. Later, I tried to get to Florama using the Walk through walls and when I get there, wherever there's meant to be a flower, it's a strange creamy white colour. Perhaps the Walk Through Walls/Walk Anywhere cheat needs its own page?

(Oh, and I couldn't think of anywhere else to put this.) -[[Image:Ani466MS.gif]] [[User:Archaeic|Archaeic]] [[Image:Ani466MS.gif]] 20:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
:Eh, cheats are kinda frowned upon here, because one of the reasons your game is messing up is because you used a cheating device, but eh. ;>_> [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 20:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
::Same thing happens if you walk through walls in other games. It's because it doesn't load the palettes correctly. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 20:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

== I wonder... ==

Think anyone could map where exactly the indoors/Mystery Zone areas are in relation to each other and the rest of Sinnoh? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:21, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Only by [ILEGALLY OH NO] cracking open the game card's code and emulating a map of it. I *can* do that, but just with games encoded on CDs. Apolgies...that would be interesting, though. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 02:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== I also have another request... ==

Once when I tweaked to ensure the veracity of the one "get to Newmoon Island via tweaking" video, I went through an area that had the Underground's music. I didn't stop, but if I did and opened the menu... would it have shown the Underground menu or just not open as in the rest of the Mystery Zone?

And what happens when you hatch an egg in that place...? I know there's a "Mystery Zone" location... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:18, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
No clue on the first. The location hatched will be Mystery Zone for the second. [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 03:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

:I've never encountered any Mystery Zones with music other than the muted Route 206/etc. music, byut I doubt the menu would appear if you tried to open it in one. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 23:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, it wasn't the Mystery Zone. It was some other area, between two parts of Turnback Cave. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== "Under" Lake Verity? ==

Is it the Mystery Zone ''south'' of Lake Verity? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:12, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, as I guy that uses the walk anywhere cheat, I know that you walk(or surf) on the water of Lake Verity to the west and south till you'll find some grass. Just go south of the grass and voila, that's where the pic was taken.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== What I Put ==

I put "Also, if one would enter the Mystery Zone and refresh by having the town map selected through registration, when the player would go back to the original area, the area will look completely shifted in the coding." Yeah, it happened to me, I went to lake verity, I registered the town map, I got in the mystery zone, like in the picture, I pressed Y and I went back north to the lake. When I was back, and the lake looked brown and I could only see the lines that would differentiate tiles from one another... I pressed Y again and it came back to normal. There, I explained it. Though, I can't prove it...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 07:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I've also put an invisible notice near my added stuff...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 07:34, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Why is this in the glitches template? ==

It's not exactly a glitch, so.... why is it there? It was clearly called Mystery Zone by Nintendo too.... [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 04:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Probably because there is no Beta template. Making one isn't a bad idea. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:03, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::How is it even beta? It was intended to be like that.... [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 07:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I don't know what to call it. If you have a name, make a template. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Sinnoh locations template (if there is one)? I don't know much about the site itself I just contribute to the glitch articles. I guess it is strange enough to stay in glitches and it contains its own glitches too.... [[User:OwnageMuch|OwnageMuch]] 03:09, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well, it belongs there, but it is also on the Project GlitchDex icon (not saying it was a good choice). A Beta template might be useful though, or a Game data template. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:18, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::It is only in the name, Nintendo never expected people to actually visit these areas (without any speculation anyway) but only the term "Mystery Zone" itself is Beta (i.e. as a placeholder or error handler for areas which do not exist in between routes in the new map engine). You could even argue that the names of '??????????' and 'MISSINGNO.' are error handlers but not the actual Pokémon themselves. Perhaps we could have an Alpha elements section (for e.g. screenshots for sprites which do not exist within the coding of the final game) and Beta elements section (for elements which still exist in the final game, but cannot be accessed through normal gameplay). To be critical I don't like the current Template:Beta, it focuses too much on 'Beta Pokémon games' not certain pointers which still correspond to non-existant data within the final game such as the G/S/C Safari Zone. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 18:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== Egg ==

What if an egg hatches in the mz? [[User:Meesa yoda|Meesa yoda]] 01:42, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
*Nothing crazy :) it will just say that it was hatched there. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 18:43, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

==----==
Apparently this is not its name in english HGSS, so then where id it come from? Is it named this in the Japanese version? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
:Placeholder maps are definitely called "----" in the Japanese HG/SS. In US/PAL versions IIRC they are named a real phrase e.g. in the English version they are called Mystery Zone, etc. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 11:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Eterna Gym ==

I used to use an AR, and I used a Walk-through-Walls code in Diamond. I was in Eterna Gym at the time, and I walked out to the left. It then displayed a location, I don't know if it was Route 221 or Eterna Forest, and I decided to go back, and I couldn't see the Gym, although I could see the shadows at the bottom of the trainers feet, but no trainers. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 16:13, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Sinnoh myths

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Just wanted to point out that since the game is set in a place based on Japan, the mythology would tend to be of Far Eastern inspiration. Obviously much of Eastern religion (especially Buddhism) can be said to share the common heritage of Indian mythology (as in the most obvious case of Fujin). Interesting. [[User:Earlgrey|Earl Grey]]

==Citations==
Excuse me, but could the guy who wrote this please cite his/her sources so we know that this is the real deal and not just fanfiction? [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 08:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:Hey Manga-in-a-bottle; all the myths in this article and all the content that goes with it is directly quoted from the game data. All of this information is in the books on the third floor of the Canalave Library. [[User:bnjelinski|Soon to be Mrs. Shirley]]

Zhen-lin posted it from the game data, right on the messageboard. >_> --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 08:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh... stupid me... ^_^; *goes and hides in the closet* [[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 11:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

==Unown==
Where would the text from the Unown cave in Solaceon go? Or would that not be in this article?
:I'd say that goes in the article for the Solaceon Ruins, but I think it could fit great here, too. What does everyone else think?? [[User:bnjelinski|Soon to be Mrs. Shirley]]

==Cosmic Egg Theory==
In [[Sinnoh myths#The Original Story|The Original Story]], the fact that [[Arceus (Pokémon)|the creator]] came out of an egg and existence started to exist, wouldn't that theory fall under the [[wp:Cosmic egg|cosmic egg]] theory? --[[User:Stinkoman|悪臭の人]][[Image:212MS.gif|75px]] http://www.hrwiki.org/images/3/37/stinkoman20X6normal.PNG 22:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

==Merge??==
Can we merge this with [[Myths_and_legends_involving_legendary_Pokémon]] since the [[Legendary Pokémon]] page isn't as long now? Or was there another reason they were separate? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 19:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

==Um==
Does anyine have any info on the myths involved in Platinum? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£iΨ@chµ]] 20:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:I see the myth Cynthia states in the Distortion World is on the page, which is good. I, however, have Cynthia's chat she shares with the player after he/she beats the Elite Four and visits the Celestic Town Cave Painting once more. (I've been able to get her to repeat the chat several times, so it's a repeatable event.) Basically, she provides her interpretation of what Giratina's power is, and she says that there must be a Pokémon stronger than Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina (meaning Arceus). She says that the cave painting can be seen as the Lake Trio surrounding one of the dragon trio, or it can be seen as the dragon trio surrounding Arceus (though she never mentions Arceus by name). So, if it would please this site, I could give you the whole conversation to add to the page (since I honestly have no clue how to myself, and don't want to try, only to mess up the page.) xD [[User:Xous|Xous]] 18:56, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Nevermind - added to the page. If anyone finds this doesn't fit here, feel free to move it to wherever it best fits. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 19:22, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus' Myth ==

Is the text on this page a translation of the Japanese, or is it taken directly from the English game? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 02:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== Veilstone's Myth ==

In the notes section of Veilston'es Myth, it says that the Pokemon in question may be Giratina or Spiritomb. However, I think that it may be Shaymin, because it says that "the Pokémon disappeared to a place beyond seeing". [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 00:04, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Ditto (Pokémon)

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I'm pretty sure Ditto's in the No Egg group. While it can breed with any Pokémon besides those in the No Egg group, it cannot breed with another Ditto, implying that it is, itself, in the No Egg group. -[[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]]

Ditto is in a special egg group called "DITTO" (you know how the game likes to use all-caps for Pokemon names). This group allows it to breed with anything other than a Pokemon in the "No EGGs" group or the "DITTO" group. This is what allows Ditto to breed with Pikachu or Staryu, but Suicune can't breed with other Pokemon. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

I thought you could breed two Ditto and get another Ditto. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 23:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nope. Stupidly. ~Ketz

Ditto is able to breed with other Pokémon ostensibly because of its ability to transform into other Pokémon. If it was paired with another Ditto, it wouldn't have anything to transform into, and since Ditto are genderless, would therefore have no reproductive organs.

Makes perfect sense to me that two purplish-pink blobs can't mate with each other. --17:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Ozzie

Does that mean that Ditto can breed with Lucario?[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 03:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:Anything but legendaries means anything but legendaries. Lucario isn't legendary. Therefore, ''of course''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

::Er Thanks...[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]] 08:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

didnt in in the II gen games if you put Ditto in the day care by itself turn into two dittos (most likely because it duplicated like a cell)--[[User:Kittenchild|Kittenchild]] 02:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

So I can't have a Lvl.1 Ditto? [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In the same note of discussion, how was the Steps to Hatch a Ditto Egg reached? Hack?
:The data's in there for all Pokémon just in case you ''somehow'' (usually hacking) manage to make an egg of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 07:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Hmmm..... ==

Ditto in the [[Anime]] could morph into any other pokemonn but keeps it size in some cases , but in the TCG it keeps its beaded eyes , that just makes wonder , can the [[Pokémon]] that ditto morphs to in the TCG be exceptions or special forms?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think so...D: Not sure... *is currently in Science-ICT class at school* [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 12:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

i think the info above should be mentioned in the trivia about the beaded eyes. to be honest nintendo shoud confirm this--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Though worthless to do, can't u breed 2 Dittos and get another Ditto?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 15:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

:No. You cannot breed a Ditto with a Ditto. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Really... interesting--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 18:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It's confusing, but it makes vague sense since Ditto has no gender. Remember, non-gendered Pokémon can't be bred, even with Ditto...it's "Unknown"-gendered Pokémon (Magnemite etc.) that can. Ditto has a unique egg type as well, we assume it breeds with everything except itself and None. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

While not made true in the games or implied in other sources: Considering its physical structure, does anyone else think that Ditto reproduces asexually? -- [[User:HechEff|HechEff]] 18:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:It probably does, but since no official sources imply or otherwise indicate this, it doesn't belong in the article. It's pure speculation, and it's just as plausible that a fixed number of Ditto were created by Arceus at the beginning or time, and they lie dormant until bothered in the tall grasses. Or maybe Dittos are actually single cells from Mew's body that have grown much larger. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::That... actually makes perfect sense. It would explain why the both of them can use Transform while no other pokemon can...[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Learn every move ==

Can't ditto learn every move with its move transform?[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 00:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:But since it doesn't keep the move permanently, it doesn't go under the Learnset section. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 00:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok i was just wondering[[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 14:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

== Color ==

Sould it be noted that, in all sprites exept Gen. 3 Ditto's color is purple, but in its Gen. 3 sprite it's pink ? [[User:ShinyPikachu|ryan]] 15:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

no cos to me it looks pink all time and in Yellow it Yellowy-green.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Buggy Moves ==
In my Pokemon Diamond game, I was using Ditto to catch Pokemon. After using transform on and catching a Primape, combat ended with Ditto still looking like Primape (duh). After that I got into another wild battle and Ditto was Ditto again, but with Primape's moveset. I am making an assumption that you can potentially make Ditto a permanent clone move-wise this way, anyone want to experiment? [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 21:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

never happed to me and my ditto, if was a bug in your game then you are lucky.
and what do mean experiment? I can experiment.[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:Wha? I've heard of this happening... was this a Japanese game or the international release? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry for the stupidly late reply, I don't visit here much (obviously). Anyway, the description I left above is still accurate. It has been traded between several players, gained over 30 levels in daycare, gone back and forth over Wi-fi, and been used in many battles since I originally left this message, yet it still knows the Primeape's moves. It has not effected or hampered my breeding at all, either. In fact, I bred that same Primeape with the Ditto to get a Mankey later on.
::I own the US version of Pokemon Diamond (purchased at my local Gamestop).
::The Primeape in question was caught with an Ultra Ball and caught on Route 225 (of course) if anyone wants to experiment with this. Basically, go into any battle with your Ditto, use transform, and then catch the Pokemon you transformed into while Ditto is still your active Pokemon. Then, check Ditto's moves to see if they have changed. If they haven't, try it a few more times and see if it works. Also, I am pretty sure my Ditto was holding Quick Powder at the time as well.
::Ditto right now knows whatever moves a level 52 Primeape knows, which off the top of my head are Cross Chop, Rage, Swagger, and Thrash. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Forgot to mention, I own no cheating devices nor do I have access to them. and my entire game is legitimately played. [[User:Crenel|Crenel]] 07:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== if a shiny ditto Transforms will it Transform in a shiny whatever==
if it don,t then saud be in the page [[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]]
:It did, but won't anymore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

cool, when did it solp[[User:GoldsWigglytuff|GoldsWigglytuff]] 10:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Gen IV is the first game where it becomes, shiny or not, whatever it turned into. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

==Title==
The Transform Paradox: I changed the title because this example is not actually a paradox. A paradox is an extended contradiction, this is not. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:True, yes, however, a paradox is also an infinite time loop that self-contradicts. The contradiction here comes in the never-lowering PP of Transform for both Pokémon, remaining locked at 5. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
There is no contradiction in this at all. Both using Transform is nothing more than a deadlock. An infinite time loop the self-contradicts would be going back in time to kill your grandfather and succeeding. {{unsigned|Manowargodsofwar}}
:I have a question, does this only apply with two ditto, because mew can transform and can learn other moves. Because it seems to me that only Transform the move is copied, but I thought transform copies all the other Pokemon's moves, so wouldn't a match up between a mew and a ditto (as long as Mew has other moves) be an exception? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 09:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::It works if Mew Transforms into something with only Transform. Say you have a Mew with Transform and Psychic. Psychic has 10 PP. You're facing the exact same Mew. You use Transform. Both Transform and Psychic have 5 PP apiece. You can use all 5 Psychics you have now, then Transform and the PP will be at 5 again. It only locks you in if you have only Transform. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 11:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::: Right that's what I meant, the locking, not the transform reseting the PP. Okay good to know.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 20:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Regarding that...in my Crystal, my Ditto battled a wild Ditto. My Ditto constantly transformed, but the wild one kept having its Transform for no reason whatsoever. As a result, Struggle came about... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

==Shiny Ditto Glitch==
What the F...lareon happened to the glitch to get a shiny ditto in G/S using R/B, if no one knows what I'm talking about here's how (altough it's old and I think you all know):

1 Capture the shiny Gyarados in G/S and ransfer it to R/B
2 Teach Gyarados Mimic and erase all his other moves
3 Battle a wild Ditto with the Gyarados, mimic him and transform a few turns while it transforms
4 Capture the Ditto and transfer it to G/S it will be shiny

Notes: I'm not sure if it's a requirement but all of the times I used the Pokémon Stadium 2 (For both transfer and Doduo GB).

Sorry I don't have a video or anything but try it out, I didn't directly affect the article but I'll edit it if no one answers this in 10 days.
--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 06:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:The egg's a glitch, that's how breeding worked in Generation II. See [[Pokémon Breeding#Trivia|the last part of the trivia]]. You just got lucky because of you got a shiny Charmander. And I think the shiny Ditto trick is also mentioned somewhere. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 23:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The glitch has nothing to do with the Shiny Charmander I only wrote that to reference but since I confused you I'll delete it.--[[User:Sword zero001|Sword zero001]] 16:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ben 10 in Trivia ==

''An alien in the television series Ben 10 shares a name with Ditto. However, unlike the Pokémon, the alien Ditto can simply multiply, and gets its name when two of them say the exact same thing at the exact same time.'' Don't tell me this belongs in the article. Ben 10 has absolutely nothing to do with Ditto. I don't want to start a revert war, however. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:To be honest, it's not surprising that the name "Ditto" is used, since it's not Pokémon specific...'''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 11:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
== Ditto Breeding ==
Ok. all up and down this talk page (and on the Gender one) it says Ditto can't breed with Ditto. And yet, I'VE DONE IT! In both FR and Pearl (Don't ask me to remember GSC, cause I don't, and I didn't have 2 dits in Ruby or Sapph, and never owned LG, Emerald, or Diamond) Either whoever failed has a dfective game, or I do. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 19:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:Plz to be proving this with a YouTube video proving that no Action Replaying was involved. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
You're very lucky. But I agree with TTEchidna, please at least provide some video proof if you ever manage to do it again.--[[User:Project Harbinger|Project Harbinger]] 14:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== One Move ==
Ditto isn't the only Pokemon that only learns one move, the same is true of Unown. {{unsigned|DrStubbsberg}}

Until Platinum, it was also true of Beldum. Smeargle also only learns one move, though it learns it up to 10 times. [[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 04:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Ditto can (or at least could) permanently learn other moves ==

I had to create an account just to point this out as I was very surprised not to already see it in the article. I remember doing this with my friends back with gold/silver (don't know if it works in further generations). Ditto can permanently learn ANY move. When I used my ditto on pokemon stadium, it listed his moves as red, indicating that ditto shouldn't have those moves and that it's an exploit, but I wouldn't think that would stop it from being noted. Here's how, in case you pokenuts don't already know (which you probably do):

Take a smeargle. Put it up against a pokemon with the move you want ditto to learn. Use sketch on the move so smeargle permanently learns it. Level smeargle enough so he learns sketch again. Make sure sketch is not in the first slot, because otherwise ditto will lose the ability to transform. (doens't stop the trick from working, just stops you from doing it again). Link up your cartidge with the smeargle on it (and in your party) to the cart with the ditto on it. This "records" the trainer's smeargle on the "ditto cart", so that the ditto can battle the smeargle. Make them battle. Have ditto use transform. When smeargle uses the move you want ditto to learn, use the copied sketch. Poof. Ditto permanently retains whatever move you want.

I had a ditto with horn drill, fissure, guillotine, and lock-on, which always came as a shock to opponents. (though not much of a challenge as he's so weak). Does this exploit belong in the article? Probably never going to post again, [[User:Farsight001|Farsight001]] 13:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's under glitches. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 14:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::The {{m|Sketch}} page states that it cannot be used when transformed, therefore this should not work. Does that statement there concern only Gen III and IV? If it does, it should be listed under Gen III and not directly under the Effect header. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 18:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Problem==
In the trivia section, on the point about Pokéthlon stats, you've written it's instead of its. {{unsigned|Mattiuscn}}
:Yeah. You can fix that in a month. Right now we're trying not to touch the pages too much. Makes it easier to fix things technologically later down the track. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

== No Trainers use Ditto? ==

"This is likely why no Trainers have Ditto in the Generation IV games" - I can't verify this since I don't have any Gen IV games, but I recall a schoolboy on the Vermilion - Olivine leg of the S.S. Aqua journey in the original G/S/C who used a Ditto. I was wondering does this trainer still use Ditto or does he have a new party in HG/SS? --[[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 08:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:He still uses one. [[User:Saxton Hale|Saxton Hale]] 15:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Also on HGSS, a scientist in the team rocket souveneir shop hideout had a Ditto. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 07:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== How can it breed at all? ==

If Ditto is genderless, how is it able to breed at all? You would need a male and a female to complete the breeding process.--[[User:Project Harbinger|Project Harbinger]] 14:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I read something about asexual something something.. the thing is, I can't remember what it was exactly.. [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 18:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Transform affects experience gain? ==
A friend of mine claims that a Ditto will give more of less experience depending on what it Transforms into. Is this true? I sustain is isn't but I'm having a rotten time actually finding any Dittos to check. He claims this is in Emerald's Desert Underpass, if it affects any (I'm looking in HG). [[User:Vhazhiphor|Vhazhiphor]] 00:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== Transform Paradox? ==

When I was playing in Emerald, I used a Ditto with a high speed to battle another Ditto, my Ditto used Transform first, then the enemy couldn't use it, because Pokémon can't Transform into already Transformed Pokémon, so I kept using Transform, which ultimately restored it's PP, and the enemy couldn't Transform. It eventually used Struggle, I kept using Hyper Potions, the enemy fainted, and I won. But, in that article, it says that the battle should last forever. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 20:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon of myth/Archive 1

2010-07-20T14:23:19Z

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{{:User:Shiningpikablu252/PA}}
But... we don't even know if they're a trio... '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

== Wait a tick... ==

Palkia is the Space pokemon 
Dialga is the Time pokemon 
Arceus is the Alpha pokemon 

Wouldn't this technically be the trio; given that, well, aren't Palkia and Dialga technically made of Arceus, or something?

Although, if you took into account that Giratina is related to an "ancient cemetary in another dimension", you could technically consider it:
Arceus ; life ; Alpha
Giratina ; death ; Omega

Beginning and end, so to speak...maybe it could work? Myrmidon 06:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:That'd then make Arceus the master of this trio, too... '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

::Arceus really did a lot for the world of Pokémon, at least in the mythology. Althoughit is unknown how Arceus relates to Giratina, unlike Dialga and Palkia, where it is clearly known that Arceus created the two. Therefore, it is not really certain if Arceus is in fact the master of this trio. [[User:Pokéball|Pok]][[User_talk:Pokéball|é]][[Special:Contributions/Pokéball|ball]] 18:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Either way, I still don't think we should name the "dragon trio" off until DP v3 comes out. We knew beforehand that Rayquaza was the third member of the weather trio, but that's mostly because it just fit. Far as I'm concerned, Dialga and Palkia are just a duo, like Ho-Oh and Lugia. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 19:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Isn't it obvious that Arceus created Giratina? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Here's proof:
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center" colspan="2" |     || align="center"| [[Image:483.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:484.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:487.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="10"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|DragonBreath}}''' {{m|Scary Face}}
|-
| 10 || '''{{m|Metal Claw}}''' || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{m|Ominous Wind}}'''
|-
| 20 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 30 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Dragon Claw}}'''
|-
| 40 || '''{{m|Roar of Time}}''' || '''{{m|Spacial Rend}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Force}}'''
|-
| 50 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Heal Block}}
|-
| 60 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Earth Power}}'''
|-
| 70 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Slash}}'''
|-
| 80 || '''{{m|Flash Cannon}}''' || '''{{m|Aqua Tail}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Claw}}'''
|-
| 90 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Aura Sphere}}'''
|}
[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

:I'm totally against this. This is purely fan speculation...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 11:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
::Seconded. Adding a cleanup tag. Fan speculation and move similarity mean sh*t, tbh.[[User:Dark0805|'''Dark0805''']] ([[User talk:Dark0805|''talk'']]|[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|''contribs'']]) 17:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Compare to this:
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center" colspan="2" |     || align="center"| [[Image:382.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:383.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:384.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="12"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{m|Mud Shot}}''' || '''{{m|Twister}}'''
|-
| 5 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Scary Face}}
|-
| 15 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 20 || '''{{m|Body Slam}}''' || '''{{m|Slash}}''' || '''{{m|Dragon Claw}}'''
|-
| 30 || {{m|Calm Mind}} || {{m|Bulk Up}} || {{m|Dragon Dance}}
|-
| 35 || '''{{m|Ice Beam}}''' || '''{{m|Earthquake}}''' || '''{{m|Crunch}}'''
|-
| 45 || '''{{m|Hydro Pump}}''' || '''{{m|Fire Blast}}''' || '''{{m|Fly}}'''
|-
| 50 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Rest}}
|-
| 60 || '''{{m|Sheer Cold}}''' || '''{{m|Fissure}}''' || '''{{m|Extremespeed}}'''
|-
| 65 || '''{{m|Double-Edge}}''' || '''{{m|Solarbeam}}''' || '''{{m|Hyper Beam}}'''
|-
| 75 || '''{{m|Aqua Tail}}''' || '''{{m|Earth Power}}''' || '''{{m|Dragon Pulse}}'''
|-
| 80 || '''{{m|Water Spout}}''' || '''{{m|Eruption}}''' || '''{{m|Outrage}}'''
|}

Or this:
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center" colspan="2" |     || align="center"| [[Image:377.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:378.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:379.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="12"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{M|Explosion}}'''
|-
| 9 || '''{{m|Rock Throw}}''' || '''{{m|Icy Wind}}''' || '''{{m|Metal Claw}}'''
|-
| 17 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Curse}}
|-
| 25 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Superpower}}'''
|-
| 33 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 41 || {{m|Iron Defense}}   ||   {{m|Amnesia}} || {{m|Iron Defense}} {{m|Amnesia}}
|-
| 49 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Charge Beam}}'''
|-
| 57 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Lock On}}
|-
| 65 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Zap Cannon}}'''
|-
| 73 || '''{{m|Stone Edge}}'''   ||   '''{{m|Ice Beam}}''' || '''{{m|Iron Head}}''' '''{{m|Flash Cannon}}'''
|-
| 81 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Hammer Arm}}'''
|-
| 89 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Hyper Beam}}'''
|}

[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Well it is possible. There is space and time. What else is there. Giratina is said to live in a world on the reverse side of ours. This is possibly the afterlife. This place may neither be space nor time. If these three pokémon are a trio, then it would mean that this trio would control Space, Time, and the Afterlife, which are the only places where anyone could possibly be. [[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]]

AND THEY ALL SHARE THE SAME STATS ONLY MIXED UP.

So, since it's not official. the Dragon Trio, although is based on a certain amount of canon, is fanon as Pokémon and Nintendo have nto released it officially...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 07:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

First, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina all appear in the 11th movie. Second, WHY CAN'T WE ALL WAIT!!![[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']] 17:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

:Unless someone can give me ''official'' proof that these three are the trio, and that {{p|Giratina}} is the master and the mascot for the third DP game, I'm putting a delete notice on this page. [[Canon]], people! -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]]

::"May even be true" doesn't cut it here. For instance, it may be true that [[Ash Ketchum]] is a cross-dressing girl! However, I'll hold off on the deletion notice until a sysop okays it. -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]]
:How bout shipping the names are fanon and the whole thing is fanon.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 23:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

::::[[Shipping]] '''usually''' has some logical basis, and it's noted that it may not be true. It's '''accepted''' that ships are often false (sorry, shippers!), but stuff like this has no place here unless it's official. -[[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]][[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']][[Image:Spr 3e 186.gif|30px]]
:::::These three Pokémon being a trio '''has some logical basis,''' and it is noted that it may or may not be true. But there are people who believe that these three pokémon are a trio. Some ships have come true(Rocketshipping in manga) and this '''may''' come true too. There are reason that I believe that these three pokémon are a trio:
*They all have the same stats just mixed up.
*They have similar moves, as seen above.
*They look similar in appearance.
*They all were created at the same time, as said in the article about the History of the Pokémon world.
*I believe that Palkia controls space, Dialga controls time, and Giratina controls the only other thing, the afterlife.
But still, it hasn't been revealed yet. But there is a possibility that, '''if''' a third version comes out, It may be Giratina (or Arceus).[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 21:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::The possibility of it being Arceus is zero. If the third game confirms that Giratina is the third part of the chain, then fine, make the article. But until that game comes out, this is nothing but fanwank, and thus does not belong here. This page should be scrapped until this information can be OFFICIALLY confirmed. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 09:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Also, following Crystal's pattern, it could be one of the Lake Trio. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 10:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Completely possible. But lets leave this article to rot until V3 comes out.{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}}01:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::IF there's a V3. Gen IV has been avoiding most of the rules, such as nearly getting Dark, Psychic and Fighting starters and not all the new Pokémon are in the new dex. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]Hi''' 13:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

wait.. if we go by emeralds patten. the '''''MAY''''' be a battle between Palkia and diagla as depicted in the movies and Giratina will quell the battle. {{u|Dakclaw}}

Giratina cannot represent the afterlife, as the Lake trio have been stated to represent spirit. MATTER, on the other hand, is seperate from space and time, yet does not seem to be represented by Giratina. [[User:Noname|Noname]]
:I'm not talking about MATTER, I'm talking about life. What creates life, besides spirit. Space, for things to move. Time, for things to accelerate. And a life after life...{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 01:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

::I doubt that Giratina represents life after death, but I do beleive he represents Death itself. He lives in a cemetary and is part ghost. [[User:Noname|Noname]] The afterlife would be a bit of a streach and I doubt they would do that in a pokemon game.

::::::whait you're forgetting something important. If any of you has played Ruby/Sapphire, you'll note that Rayquaza is not considered part of the wheather trio, althought it has similar attacks and base stats, and it is catchable only after the elite 4. it is later given a special role in Emerald AND THEN IT IS CONSIDERED part of it. Maybe it is what will happen with Giratina, and in the third Sinnoh game, a legend will say that Arceus created the three, as it happened in Emerald with Rayquaza who in Ruby/Sapphire is not mentioned anywhere. [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 20:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, until then, this is pure speculation, which does not belong here. We need a template or something that states that it's only speculation, and is not canon as of yet. [[User:Vekter|Vekter]] 17:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe Giratina is part of the trio, opposing both Palkia and Dialga. I believe it's something like this: Palkia is space, Dialga is time, and Giratina would be the ''absence'' of space/time. If it's established that Giratina is "a Pokémon from another dimension", it's very easy to understand that the concept of time is different to Giratina. Also, his signature move being "Dark Void" tells us about the concept of space (also different from ours). Anyway, let's wait for the third game. I'm quite sure they'll explore Giratina as opposed to Dialga/Palkia, or maybe some collateral effect of Arceus' creation. --[[User:Rafaelpuff|Rafaelpuff]] 20:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

:I agree 100% with you, but Giratina's signature move is {{m|Shadow Force}}. {{m|Dark Void}} is {{p|Darkrai}}'s signature. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

::Since this is speculation anyway, consider this: Giratina's Shadow Force makes it "suddenly vanish", making it completely untouchable. It's possible it does this but exploiting it's absence of space and time, then the next turn it rematerializes intersecting its target, causing the damage as the solid matter (or pseudo-solid in Giratina's case) violently attempts to resolve a physical impossibility.--[[User:Zyphers|Zyphers]] 12:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, my bad. I've written {{m|Dark Void}} with the ingame animation of {{m|Shadow Force}} in mind. Thanks for the correction. Now, what about the new rumours? About Giratina being the mascot of the third game? If these rumours are confirmed, I guess it's no doubt that there is a Dragon Trio. Also, Serebii.net announced that there'll be a new dual-type form to Arceus - maybe an ancient form of Arceus before he "created the Dragons from itself"? Well, anyway, this is only speculation. But I like Zyphers' theory (about Giratina's Shadow Force) very much. --[[User:Rafaelpuff|Rafaelpuff]] 17:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

==Dragon Trio has been officially confirmed==
At last no more speculation. People who hasn't checked Serebii.net do it. A hi-res scan of the Coro coro magazine has leaked and is available [http://serebii.net/platinum/scan.jpg here]. As you can see in the pic, cyrus is standing in front of Dialga, Palkia and the shadow of Giratina. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:That imaged could be faked or photoshopped......[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|C is for Cookie]] 21:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::Please know that THE WHOLE THING CAN BE FAKE!•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 21:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

giratina is on teh box art for pokemon platinum which has been officially announced... [[User:Arutoa|Arutoa]] 20:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Well then NOW it is conformed.•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 20:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::well then lugia ho-oh and suicune are a trio by that logic - touché! '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|808080|Origami}}{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|FF8000|Guy}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|808080|T}}-{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|FF8000|C}}-{{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|0080FF|M}}''' 11:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Not really. The boxart proves nothing by itself, or Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur would be a trio. But with the other evidence shared among the members of this trio (similar typing, all half {{t|Dragon}}; similar moves at the same levels; similar origin for their names ''Dia''mond/Dialga, ''P''e''a''r''l''/Palkia, Pla''tina''/Giratina)... well it pretty much says it all. But ''until we get evidence that Arceus also made Giratina'', which is undoubtedly the case, I would say, the dragon trio technically is unconfirmed. Come September, though, the whole thing will become clear.
:::I hate to be a hardass here, but hey, we're not taking any crap when it comes to anime Pokémon's gender (even for Ash's Charizard, and that's ''honestly ridiculous'' in my mind), so no crap is taken here. This trio is almost official. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Where is it written that trios ''have'' to have a master? That idea came more from the anime and the [[The Power of One|second movie]] than anything else. Furthermore, should we really be classifying trios of [[version mascot]]s the same way we do the honest-to-[[Arceus (Pokémon)|God]] trios (ie, the birds, the beasts, the golems, the bizzare psychic things)? I've always had a problem with that. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 09:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== No way ==

It's not necessarily part of the trio, as a matter a fact, I think it's the leader-guy! Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:03 16 May 2008'''''
:Excuse me for asking, but what do you mean by "leader-guy"? As in leader of the "duo", or the duo and Arceus? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::I believe he thinks that Giratina is sort of the '''trio master''' of the '''duo'''. But I believe that they all are a trio only with Giratina being the strongest.•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 14:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Everybody wait for platinum instead of saying "NUH UH MY THEORY IZ BETR THAN YERZ". [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:I never said anything. I just believe what I said.'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|P]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|M]][[Dragon trio|102]]''' 00:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::This is the same as the weather trio. They are a trio, but there's one that's seemingly more powerful than the other two. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Thats a good point but it would still be BETTER to JUST WAIT. [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 22:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== images ==

I think the image should go back to the turnback cave 1 the new 1 does not clearly depict Giratina its a silohuette and the others are in Sprite Form.
[[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 20:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:The new image is important, though, as it demonstrates that there is probably some sort of link between the three. I think we should have both images; that way, there'd be one for each of them on their own in DP, and one of them all together in Platinum. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree 100% [[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 21:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

== Hey... ==

Look Its a trio with it being Dialga:Time Palkia:Space Giratina: '''VOID''' with arceus being the trio master of spirit and the dragon trio. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 17:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:That makes perfect sense.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 22:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
== Proof ==

Pokémon Platinum serves as proof that this is a trio similar to the weather trio. --[[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 20:59, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

:Wouldn't that be like saying Lugia, Ho-Oh and Suicune are a trio? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
::Nopes. Lugia and Ho-oh are kind of a duo, and Suicune is just a version mascot. Suicune has nothing to do with Lugia and that's why they aren't a trio. In Gen III however, Groudon and Kyogre were a duo, and Rayquaza was a Pokémon that had apparently no relation to the other two (not even in its pokédex description). However in Emerald, it was revealed to be part of the trio, as it's the only one capable of stoping the effects of Kyogre and Groudon. This is exactly the same that's gonna happen with Giratina. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== I've been thinking about something... ==

I was watching TV one day and they said something about Time, Space and DIMENSION.
That made me think about how each of the dragon trio has a certain control over what they represent
and that Giratina has control over dimension. So wouldn't that make Giratina represent Dimension? [[User:Darkmaster0]] 20:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:True. '''[[User:LugiaFan|''Lugia'']][[User talk:LugiaFan|''Rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"]]''' 17:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::I was thinking the same. In fact I'd like to suggest renaming the trio to a more specific term like '''Reality trio''', as in time, space and dimension being the three elements of reality, though I prefer to leave it up for debate. --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 01:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe it was on doctor who - TARDIS stands for {{p|Dialga|'''Time'''}} And Relative {{p|Giratina|'''Dimension'''}} In {{p|Palkia|'''Space'''}}. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 12:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::TARDIS Dragons, then? :) --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 13:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::LOL'''[[User:Shazaaaam|SHA]][[User_talk:Shazaaaam|ZAA]][[Special:Contributions/Shazaaaam|AAM!]]''' 13:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I think that Giratina represents the NEGATIVE of Dialga and Palkia's respective dimensions, like the negative of an photograph. It's as if the negative were intertwined behind the strings of dimension, thus it having a connection, like an astral plane. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 14:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Somebody is misinformed here. Space is the combination OF the first three DIMENSION'''S'''. The fourth Dimension is the forward and backward directions of Time. Also, if Giratina resides in the '''Reverse'''World, then surely there should be a fourth - to oppose both Dialga and Palkia! Do I make sense?[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 20:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm, sorry to bump an old topic, but I believe SPACE is the first three dimensions and TIME is the fourth. A 3D thing can't see anything 4D or higher (that's why we can't 'see' time). Giratina is in the Reverse World, supposedly a separate world from ours. However, could it be that the Reverse World is our world, just that it has more dimensions? And building on that, does that mean that the Reverse World allows travel in time? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:46 3 Sep 2008'''''
::Now that you mention it, string theory has those six extra curled-up dimensions, which could be why the Reverse/Torn world is shaped so oddly...
::Although I somehow doubt that the people responsible for coming up with these things pay much attention to theoretical physics. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 20:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Especially since those curled up dimensions are very 'small'. And that it is called the 'Reverse' world suggests a form of opposition, as is found with matter and anti-matter, therefore necessitating the need for a fourth related Legendary to maintain the balance of the worlds. i.e. If Giratina is the 'Reverse' equivalent of either Dialga or Palkia, then there is an imbalance - and a Gap to be filled by another Reverse World Pokémon.[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 23:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
:::: Also, the First two Seasons of the Diamond and Pearl series are What? Diamond and Pearl, the first two Games of [[Generation IV]]; and Battle DIMENTION, the thing that Giratina controls. [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£ik@chµ]] 00:34, 10 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Please join [[User:ShinyPikachu/The User Post Gazette|The User Post Gazette]]
:::::Obviously yo didn't get it... SPACE and TIME '''are''' DIMENTIONS. Giratina doen't control DIMENTION, or it would have been named "Spatial and Temporal Pokémon" instead of "Renegade Pokémon". He is more a negative-space controlling Pokémon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::So, u r sayin that {{p|Giratina|Giratina}} controls somethin' like a {{wp|blackhole}}? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 00:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Not exactly. A black hole is a strong gravitational field around nothing (like a planet or star). Giratina seems to control a negative space, created of anti-matter, but there seems to be an unbalance as it looks to be only the oposite of Palkia. There is an unbalance because in its dimension there is no anti-temporal Pokémon. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

:By jove I got through to somebody at last! The creators have either been very neglectful, or Giratina is not a specific opposite to any other Pokemon. As has been said then if it were the opposite to one of the other Dragons then there must have been a fourth! (Maybe they are saving it for the remakes;-p.)[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 22:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for opening an old subject; But i think i've figgured it out. The three thinks that make up the univirse are Space(Contoled by Palkia), Time (Controled by Dialga), and Matter (Giratina?) and is there any info in Plt.? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 22:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::No, its Dimension isnt it. Anything has dimensions, even an atom, is 0.000000001 something wide. I guess its another way of saying matter. So eventually when they make Gen 4 remakes LOL, in Gen 6, itl be TimeDiamond, SpacePearl, and DimensionPlatinum LOL. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 19:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::[[Palkia (Pokémon)|Space]] (width, length, and depth) and [[Dialga (Pokémon)|time]] ARE the freaking known dimensionss!!!! stop with that!! Giratina doesn't control dimension, or Arceus had only created him to do both time and space and not Dialga and Palkia!!!! '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Giratina controls an alternate dimension, parallel to the real world. The torn world-where the laws of physics in the real world don't apply. Giratina seems to control what is the reverse reality or the reverse dimension to the real Pokémon world. I don't think that calling it, and by it i mean a future game that probably won't even ever be considered to be produced, "DimensionPlatinum" is sensible. The only reason they had FRLG was because it was impossible to have your Ruby Version trade with your Blue version. Plus, with much better graphics, it was a really cool game to play if you are someone who loves the originals.
Anyway, Giratina does control something: an alternate dimension. Maybe even the dimension opposite of what we call the living world because it is mentioned in on of the Pokédex entries that it hangs around graveyards. Maybe that's what it does when it enters the natural world. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

:Giratina is supposed to balance out the Time and Space. In Platinum, Cyrus says DNA has two strands to balance out each other. D/P is one part while Giratina is the other. But I also think that if it was caught, the world it created/lived in would stay like D/P if they were rather than destroy like Cyrus said. So I'm not sure. It is probably confined to Turnback Cave when it visits the world for its "crimes".{{u|Laxafett}} 19:12, 12 August 2009(UTC)

I figured it out. Arceus created Giratina to be the controller of space-time, but it used it's power's wrongly, so it was banished to the Distortion world, so Arceus created Dialga and Palkia to do what Giratina would have done if he was good--[[User:Minimag|Minimag]] 22:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

== New Table ==
I think this resolves everything:

{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
|Species
| align="center"| [[Image:Spr_4d_483.png]] {{p|Dialga}} || align="center"| [[Image:Spr_4d_484.png]] {{p|Palkia}} || align="center"| [[Image:Spr_4d_487.png]] {{p|Giratina}}
|-
| Type 1
| style="background: #{{Steel color}};" | '''Steel'''-type
| style="background: #{{Water color}};" | '''Water'''-type
| style="background: #{{Ghost color}};" | '''Ghost'''-type
|-
| Type 2
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | '''Dragon'''-type
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | '''Dragon'''-type
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | '''Dragon'''-type
|-
| Level 10
| style="background: #{{Steel color}};" | ''{{m|Metal Claw}}'' '''Steel'''-Type
| style="background: #{{Water color}};" | ''{{m|Water Pulse}}'' '''Water'''-type
| style="background: #{{Ghost color}};" | ''{{m|Ominous Wind}}'' '''Ghost'''-type
|-
| Level 40
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | ''{{m|Roar of Time}}'' '''Dragon'''-type
| style="background: #{{Dragon color}};" | ''{{m|Spacial Rend}}'' '''Dragon'''-type
| style="background: #{{Ghost color}};" | ''{{m|Shadow Force}}'' '''Ghost'''-type
|-
| Level 80
| style="background: #{{Steel color}};" | ''{{m|Flash Cannon}}'' '''Steel'''-type
| style="background: #{{Water color}};" | ''{{m|Aqua Tail}}'' '''Water'''-type
| style="background: #{{Ghost color}};" | ''{{m|Shadow Claw}}'' '''Ghost'''-type
|}

'''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 13:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

== Form/Forme ==

Change it. It's in the article. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:52 3 Sep 2008'''''

:There's no real need to change something if pretty much 100% it's not going to stick, such as this whole "forme" bullsh*t. Trust me, it'll be "Origin Form" when it's revealed stateside, and that'll be the end of this whole "forme" debacle. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
::Except for Deoxys being Attack Forme on Pokémon.com, you know. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

== Giratina Sprite ==

Should we use the Platinum Sprite for Giratina? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£ik@chµ]] 00:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Please join the [[User:ShinyPikachu/The User Post Gazette|The User Post Gazette]]:D
:As in.. Origin Forme? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::Yea. [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 00:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Please join [[User:ShinyPikachu/The User Post Gazette|The User Post Gazette]].

== Platina Version release, Dragon Trio status Confirmed ==

So, with Platina Version released Japan-side, is it pretty much safe to say that this article no longer needs the "disputed" status? Giratina has had a confirmed role alongside Dialga and Palkia, and the status of the Dragon Trio is confirmed. Is it safe to remove the "disputed" label, or will doing so cause a bomb explosion of hate and flame? I won't do so until I'm granted confirmation people aren't going to flip out on me for doing so. Same goes for the Legendary Pokémon article, which is similarly out of date. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 17:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

*I agree. It's pretty freaking obvious from the start that Giratina goes along with Dialga and Palkia. I know having proof is important but seriously, it was so obvious that Giratina belongs in the dragon trio. That's just how Nintendo does things. If the Pokémon have similar move sets, and in this case, one type shared by all 3, then changes are, they are trios. Plus, with the way game mascots are assigned now (refering to Generation III), it gives you a little more proof. It's almost like people need Nintendo to just come out and say "hey guys, Giratina is in the dragon trio with Dialga and Palkia now so no more speculation, yeah!" for them to truly consider Giratina as a member of the dragon trio. --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 21:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

==Dimensional Trio?==

Shouldn't it be called the Dimensional Trio? It's like Palkia rules the third dimension, Dialga rules the fourth dimension, and Giratina probably rules the fifth dimension. The place where they all live must be the SIXTH dimension, based on implications from the Darkrai and Shaymin movies, (you know, where all the Unown live) because they have to be in a dimension higher than theirs to warp them, and in the Shaymin movie Dialga and Palkia apparently trashed Giratina's place. (Giratina is probably the oddball in this, because he lives in the fifth dimension to guard it, but he probably moved at the beginning of everything, but Dialga and Palkia don't need to stay in their dimensions to guard it, and there are also Pokemon who guard their dimensions, like Celebi for Dialga, and every Pokemon and human in the universe for Palkia) Because of this, Dialga and Palkia can warp Giratina's dimension (although without having the power to control it) like they did in the Shaymin movie. I say the reason why Dialga and Palkia can't control each other's dimensions is:

1: They don't have the power to do so.
2. Arceus, who lives in the SEVENTH dimension, has made it impossible for them to even WARP each other's dimensions.

I also say the reason that Dialga and Palkia are apparently able to warp GIRATINA'S dimension is that Giratina's dimension is a parallel to the regular one, and you can't control one dimension without warping the parallel dimension in some way.

All this, however, is just my opinion, except for the fact that all this opinion backs up my statement that it should be called the DIMENSIONAL trio. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]) 17:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, DIMENSIONAL seems appropiate. I agree =O '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 01:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:Wait, ''Fifth'' dimension? You mean a tesseract?[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 22:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary titans trio? ==

According to [http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Pokemon-Platinum-Nintendo-DS-045496740177/sem/rpsm/oid/232753/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do Circuit City], which released the English name for persons, things, and places in Platinum, the official name semms to be "legendary titans" or "legendary titans trio". Can any sysop ''please'' move the page to it's official, English name? [[User:Pokémon Lover King Mario|Pokémon Lover King Mario]] 14:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
: I'd rather we didn't because I don't know how reliable Circuit City is with names. Besides, it may not even be official. --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:: For whatever it's worth, I looked at Pokebeach (I look at Pokebeach and Serebii as well as Bulbapedia) and they said that Circuit City removed the information. So they might have been told to take it down by Nintendo. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 03:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:::That's what I'm guessing too. I'm near certain that the lake and dragon trios will get official names soon (legendary pixies and titans), and Brock's gonna be seeing Uxie by DP120. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

No {{an|May}} saw {{p|Uxie}} --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:May saw the lake if I remember right, but didn't mention Uxie... I dunno, I never saw the dub version, but I heard no mention of "Yuxie". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, what the heck with it. "Legendary Titans" sounds better. LET'S MOVE IT!!! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 13:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, i really don't like the idea of calling them "Titans". Based on the old greek mythology and definitions, i always saw the weather trio as more the Titans as compared to the dragon trios god-hood. But then, this is just probably cuz Nintendo is too cowardly to dare use the g-word.[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 21:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:There's been no confirmation of the "titans" name yet, only of the Platinum release date. Note [[Handsome]] and [[Pluto]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ah but everything else from that circuit city page has been confirmed true, and besides, can't we change it anyway? Seriously, ''Titans'' makes more sense than ''Dragons''[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 15:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It ''might'' be official since it's under "Manufacturer's description", but IDK. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 15:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

== Spacial Rend ==
It's colored a light blue colored as if it were a water-type move instead of a dragon-type move. was this done on purpose or something? --'''[[User:InuMimi|いぬ]][[User talk:InuMimi|みみ]]''' 01:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:GASP! TEH COLOR MEANS EVERYTHING. Osrry. I severly doubt it, it could have just been colored that way[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Yeah, I figure this was done to show the primary type of each of the titans, but to be more align with the rest of the 'pedia can an admin change this? As the page is locked. Thanks. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::The coloration (in those three rows, at least) is more to represent the differences between the dragons, rather than the types of their moves. If we changed Spacial Rend (and Roar of Time, for that matter), it'd mess up the aesthetics of the table. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 10:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::But what about the tables at [[legendary birds]], [[legendary golems]], or [[lake trio]]? Surely displaying the correct type, as all other tables do around the entire wiki, is more important than making three colored lines. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Ugh. I likes me my pretty lines. If it were up to me, I'd change the other pages... still, it's not. At any rate, I'll change it for now, at least. Maybe I can get my pretty lines back later. (And maybe they'll release Classics Soundwave, and maybe my classes won't be so hard next semester, and...) --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 10:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Thanks. I admit, it did ''look'' better before, but a certain echidna once told me that we strive for accuracy at Bulbapedia. And here accuracy does mean correct typing. This "razz frazzin' [{{tt|adult|in body if not in mind}}]" thanks you for carrying out his "razz frazzin' edit" :D — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hey, I'm nineteen, practically venerable. I can call whoever I want a "kid."
::::::Anyway, 's cool. This is a community project, and I'm no community (the voices in my head don't count). Just so long as I got them all. Anything else needs did-ing, come poke my talk page. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 10:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

==Greek Gods==
I was thinking, ever notice how the dragons seem to be like Hades, Poseidon, and Zeus of Greek mythology? Like, Palkia/Poseidon is the more substantial and more all-present of the three, Zeus/Dialga is the more ethereal and less reachable, and Giratina/Hades is the one who can't live with the others and guard a dimension which no one wants, and controls the afterlife.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 23:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Interesting theory, but considering that Zeus was the king of the gods, wouldn't that be Arceus instead of Dialga? I was thinking that same thing with Hades, seeing as Giratina is the Renegade pokemon, like he's defying Arceus and was sent to guard the dimension people would rather avoid... ARGH! I'm an atheist and I was about to go into a God/Satan thing... But in my opinion, just like Rayquaza in Emerald, Giratina will be added to The Original Story and whatever Giratina controls will be mentioned alongside Time and Space... [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 00:27, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do do do. All mythology is basically the same. I could find you three main gods in the Egyptian Religion and Norse Mythology that function the same way you described. Basically, no.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Actually, Arceus would in this case be more similar to the Titan Kronos, in that it is the "father" of the dragon trio/main greek gods.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 14:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Very good point, but then, Zeus killed Kronus because Kronus ate his "kids." I can't see anyone killing Arceus- except for certain fans- and Arceus certainly didn't eat the dragon trio. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 22:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:::[[Movie 12|To the '''Conquering''' of Space-Time]]. If that's not children revolting against a maker... [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 19:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::::No, I'd say it's more of one child beating the crap out of the other two. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]][[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]][[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 20:58, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Look, lets just wait for To the conquering of space-time. Then we ''should'' find out all we need to know about Arceus.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 13:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:Dragon Trio has as much to do with the greek gods as the Weather Trio have to do with them. Over.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::No.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 18:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::{{tt|O RLY? Kyogre is Posieden. Hades causes earthquakes. So does Groudon. Zeus is God of the Sky, GASP! SO IS RAYQUAZA!|This is ma boomstick!}}[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 18:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Silly, everyone knows that Hades doesn't cause Earthquakes.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 20:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Silly, remember in the myth of how he stole his wife? ( I think Persephone). He caused an earthquake and kidnapped her, the Goddess of Earth (not Gaia) got angry and wouldnt let the earth grow, zeus comprimised, Persephone spends half her time in the Underworld *winter* half her time on earth *summer spring*[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 20:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey guys, stop this silly discussion once and for all. They are not based on the greek gods or something, so please stop. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Btw, Posidien causes earthquakes. [[User:ShinyPikachu|'ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ']] 01:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::And so can Hades[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Mock Me]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]] 02:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::Just to set things straight: Hades does not "cause earthquakes". In the myth of Persephone, all he did was make the ground open. That's not an earthquake. The earth might shake in result of the ground opening, but Poseidon is directly connected to the occurance of earthquakes, whereas for Hades, they are nothing but a side-effect. Not the same thing. He does not deliberately make it shake beneath your feet, so he is not the patron of them (like Poseidon is). Anyone trying to argue, in jest or in seriousness, that Groudon is Hades...bwahaha. Yer tring 2 herd. And that "goddess of the earth" is no such thing. Persephone's mother is Demeter, patron of the harvest. The myth is also slightly deeper than that. Amateurs.

::Triads of gods are a popular theme in mythology. 3 is a magic number of checks and balances. You can take any trio and set them over any set of three gods remotedly connected, and have yourself a barbeque comparing and contracting, pushing and pulling until the pieces fit lopsidedly. There's no sense in noting it. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 18:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Could someone edit Another Forme -> Altered Forme, since the page is protected? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 20:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== Triviatastic curiosity ==

No two members of the trio have the same number of legs. Even considering Giratina's OF this remains true, as Giratina OF has no legs, Palkia has two, Dialga has four and Giratina AF has six. I myself find it odd/curious. --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 17:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do it[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Forgot to add, since it's blocked I can't edit it in. Would you mind to add this shallow appreciation? TiA.--[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 15:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Question ==

"Three beings were born to bind time and space."
It said this on the draco plate, but only Dialga and Palkia have anything to do with time/space. On the plate page, if you click on where it says three beings it navigates too a page about the lake trio. They, however, have nothing to do time and space, only spirit. Perhaps this third being is Giratina? I choose to stay neutral until the theory is proven.--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 17:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Eh. The Distorted World Distorts space and is in its own time[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 17:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::So you're saying the link should be changed (or at least, that we should consider changing it)? And if so, wouldn't it make more sense to bring this up there? But yeah, I'll take a look. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 18:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:::No, wait. It can't be the Dragon trio, because it mentions "Two beings of time and space set free from the Original One" right before that. So I guess Giratina's just being left out. Those jerks. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 18:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the page for heatran and, sorry to stir up this wierd argument even more, but it says something about it being created as an after effect of the creation of Dialga and Palkia. This could mean that the trio is of Dialga, Palkia and Heatran. I'll check their move sets and compare them, but i doubt it.--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 21:20, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Nope, completely different. Btw, I just want to shine my doubt on the theory of Girantina being death and arceus life. It cannot work, because they have such different stats. To keep things in balence, they would need to be equally strong, like the other trios.--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 21:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Something i noticed ==

I noticed it says this in the article:
:"Dialga controls time and Palkia controls space, two aspects of the '''four-dimensional universe''' that the Pokémon world, like our own, is a part of. The final member, Giratina, apparently has control over other dimensions like the Distortion World, which may itself be a location with a '''fourth spacial dimension'''. "
Shouldn't that be the fifth dimension, since the Dialga and Palkia control the other four? I would've just changed it myself, but... well... I can't.[[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 15:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

== Protect ==

Admin, could you please protect this page? We don't need vandals addin False information about HGSS, and such. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 01:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:Considering that we've known about this for ages and no one had bothered to put any information about HGSS on at all (which is true, btw), I'm denying this request. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== The Dragon Trio Movesets and HGSS ==

Now, I couldn't do what I did on the [[Weather Trio]] page because not only were the movesets different, but so were the levels where they learn them. Since it would be a scattered mess if I combined them, I had to make a new list for HGSS. '''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]''' - 17:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

== Eggs ==

I know they're obtained at level one in HGSS but are they technically hatched from eggs? When I get my Dragon baby, will it say "hatched at Shinto Ruins" or will it say "met at Shinto Ruins"?

And why does Firefox's spell check recognize Shinto as an actual word?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 08:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
::I dunno for sure, but it will proably say "met at Shinto Ruins" as for spell check, Shinto is some sort of Japanese spiritual thing, according to Wikipedia. [[User:Takharii|'''たかは''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''りい!''']] 08:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Of course, they DO technically hatch from eggs in the cutscene. I'd guess it doesn't count as "hatched" because the egg wasn't ''technically'' in your possession when it hatched. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:13, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

==Dimensional Trio?==
Each of them has control over their own [[Dimensions]], and these Dimensions have a strong connection to their power. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 02:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

== Spacetime link ==

I read in the beginning of the article about the four-dimensional space, clicked the link, and it went to a Wikipedia article on Spacetime. But I think, considering it says four-dimesional, it should lead to a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract tesseract], which is one dimension higher than a cube, which is three-dimensional, making the tesseract four-dimensional. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 14:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Probopass (Pokémon)

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Eh...how does Probopass walk? Does it float like Metagross? By the way, Metagross floats and walks.

Oh! I'm sorry, I forgot my signature on that last message! ~Gardevoir

:You can just add the signature to your message without explaining it (or just doing so in the edit summary).
:As for your question, we'll probably have to wait for Probopass to appear in the anime to find out. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I guess I hope he is in the anime. I do want to see how he moves. ~Gardevoir

Apparently, from the looks of the pics, he levitates. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 01:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:What? I just looked through all the pics, he walks on the ground. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 14:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
::It's just barely off the ground, but it looks like it's floating somewhat. Especially when it's moving with Alan on its back. --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 01:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== Toilet/Mario ==

Why does Probopass's animation look like flushing a toilet and the cry is the like the same sound? Also, it looks like Mario (who was a plumber, no less), down to the mustache, and even red hat and color of body! [[Image:Ani493MS.gif]][[User:ZanderX|Zander]][[Image:Ani493MS.gif]] 12:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:That is a theory...{{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|12:05 11 Mar 2008}}}'''
:: I'll accept that Probopass resembles a Mr. Potato Head. But, Probopass does not resemble Mario anymore than any person with a moustache. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 21:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
::: Well I showed a picture of Probopass to some people and on who he looks like, they all said Mario, none really came up with Mr. Potato Head. [[User:Kilik|Kilik]] 11:41, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
::::I say it's regular form looks more like Mario than its shiny form, for whoever put that. =/ --[[User:Jonouchi|Ricco]] 01:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::I doubt that Probopass was meant to look like Mario. If it was, the shiny form would've been based of off Luigi by having the "hat" and nose colored green; but it isn't.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 19:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, Pokencyclopedia, you could be right. Or mayby nintendo showing us just how much they hate Weegee, er luigi.[[User:Glitchym1|Glitchym1~♥]] 21:53, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Am I the only one that thinks it looks like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groucho_Marx Groucho Marx]? Or at least like the [http://www.retroplanet.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/25340.jpg glasses]. [[User:Vhazhiphor|Vhazhiphor]] 03:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

==Legs Trivia==

is it worth a mention in the trivia that (i think) nosepass has legs but probopass doesn't?? --[[User:Titan|TiT]][[User_Talk:Titan|An]] 12:37, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:No, there are other Pokémon that has the same situation as Probopass.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 12:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::ok thanks --[[User:Titan|TiT]][[User_Talk:Titan|An]] 15:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

== Nome origin ==

Proboscis is already a very good explanation for it's name, but can it also lend some meaning from a MagnaProbe? The Magnaprobe is a magnet used to show the three dimensional nature of magnetic fields, kinda like a 3D compass needle. Or is just a probe way too generic? [[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]]

== Blurry picture ==

Is that picture in the first infobox kind of blurry, or is it just me? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 20:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I noticed it's HGSS Dex entry states that it can attack with it's three noses, but it can't learn Tri-Attack. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 19:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Cliff Edge Gate

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{{Infobox location
|image=Ragged Cliff Gate.png
|image_size=250
|type=cave
|location_name=Cliff Edge Gate
|japanese_name=がけっぷちゲート
|translated_name=Ragged Cliff Gate
|location=Between [[Cianwood City]] and [[Route 47]]
|region=Johto
|map=MapCian.gif
|generation={{gen|IV}}
}}
'''Cliff Edge Gate''' (Japanese: '''がけっぷちゲート''' ''Ragged Cliff Gate'') is a small cavern on [[Cianwood City|Cianwood]] island that leads between the small island town and {{rt|47}}. It is blocked when the player first arrives on the island in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, however, after [[Amphy]] has been healed in [[Olivine City]], it is no longer under construction, and the player can pass through to Route 47.

It serves only as a passageway until after the player has obtained {{HM|08|Rock Climb}} and can use it outside of battle, at which point Pokémon are available in the small pond in the middle, along with a Big Pearl.

Interestingly, despite being a cave, its background music is the same as that of [[Route]]s {{rtn|34}}, {{rtn|35}}, {{rtn|36}}, and {{rtn|37}}.

==Geography==
The small cavern is hosted to be the gate for the newly-constructed {{jo|Safari Zone}}, just west of the termini. After entering the cave from [[Cianwood City]], the information desk for the Safari Zone can be found, along side a giant poster promoting the Safari Zone. Behind the desk is a lady who is eager to participate in the Safari Zone games, and won't stop complaining until it opens. Further along the path, the cave climbs an steep incline, which going up to the {{rt|47}} termini, however, along the way there is a pattern of rocks that can be {{m|Rock Climb|scaled}} down to a small pond, which is riddled with wild Pokémon.

==Items==
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{{itlistbod|Big Pearl|Hidden in the rock on the north side of the pond|HGSS}}
{{itlistfoot|cave}}

==Pokémon==
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{{catchentryhs|194|Wooper|yes|yes|{{m|Surf}}ing|22-30|90%}}
{{catchentryhs|195|Quagsire|yes|yes|{{m|Surf}}ing|30-40|10%}}
{{catchentryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|[[Old Rod]]|10|100%}}
{{catchentryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|[[Good Rod]]|20|95%}}
{{catchentryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|[[Good Rod]]|20|5%}}
{{catchentryhs|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|[[Super Rod]]|40|90%}}
{{catchentryhs|060|Poliwag|yes|yes|[[Super Rod]]|40|10%}}
{{catchablefooter|water|3}}

==In other languages==
* '''Italian''': ''Passo Falesia''
* '''Spanish''': ''Paso Acantilado''

{{stub|Location}}
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{{Johto}}
{{Project Locations notice}}
[[Category:Johto locations]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations]]
[[Category:Caves]]

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[[ja:がけっぷちゲート]]

Talk:Vs. Recorder

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==Expire==
Does anyone know if the codes for the videos ever expire or get replaced with another video? *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 01:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

:Mines have never expired or gone away.I think they remain there until you delete them (by replacing it or deleting your game). On a slightly different note, can someone get the features in English? --[[User:Chaos Theory|Chaos Theory]] 17:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== Color change function ==

I found out that in HGSS, that if you press on the lined sides of the Vs. Recorder, you can change the color of the screen. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 16:20, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Gracidea (Sinnoh)

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== English name ==

Pokemon.com's movie page has revealed its english name. see [http://www.pokemon.com/PokemonGiratinaMovie/ here] --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 22:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

== Disambig ==

I have a really strong feeling that most people will be looking for the in-game item when looking for "Gracidea", not the movie place. I vote for a disambig! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:21, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:But is there really a point to disambiguate two pages? Surely a hatnote on one or the other is enough.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:24, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::But isn't the in-game item more important? And some people (especially new ones) don't have the habit of looking onto hatnotes. (not that I care about them, do what you want) --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Meh, being the first thing noticed is why it's at the top of the page.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 09:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe, but there's still no reason that "Gracidea" should lead to the article of the place. The item is more important and that's what the most people would have in mind when looking for "Gracidea". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::The place is called ''Gracidea'' and the item is called ''Gracidea Flower''. I think that about sums it up. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Not anymore. The in-game name of the item is "Gracidea". Not to mention that "Gracidea Flower" is 15 characters long. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:38, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I see. I still prefer it as it is. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:49, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::But I don't see why. Game things > Anime-only things. Isn't that a rule? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:04, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::No idea, I generally don't follow the rules :p Got a precedent we can follow? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 10:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Nor do I. I think admins would decide. If not, then leave it as-is, since it's a purely formal thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:08, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

== Is that necessary? ==

It says in the article that by using an Action Replay to get Oak's Letter and bringing Cherish Balls, if one catches Shaymin, you can recieve a Gracidea in Platinum. Is that really necessary to mention in the article? In my opinion, it should be mentioned in Gracidea (flower), not Gracidea. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 02:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon.com online games

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==Hidden content==
There are 2 other 'hidden' games available at the archived site. One simply needs to change the number in the address to access them. E.G. In the address for "Deep Sea Diving" change the 4 to a 2 to play a 'follow the PokéBall' game involving a shiny Shuckle amongst non-shiny Shuckle.

Games include:

*"Tic-Tac-Toe" at Funzone_1.
*The aforementioned Shuckle game at Funzone_2. - I am unsure what this would have been called.

Should I write up a section for these? --[[User:Bardock|Bar]][[User_Talk:Bardock|dock]] 10:23, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:So, they're like Easter Eggs? Were these on the old site? By all means feel free to write something up. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:25, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

== Shiftry's Big Seed Fling! is back up ==

Header says it all. --[[User:Sp unit 262|sp unit 262]] 06:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== old games ==

Should it be noted that the old games can no longer be played due to the archive site being closed? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Screenshots ==
Do we want a screenshot of each (or maybe every second or third) minigame? Cause I can get them, if we want? ~[[User:Takharii|Takhar]][[User talk:Takharii|eon]] 08:55, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:All of them, thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== New Game ==

Eevee's Tile Trial is a new game. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 03:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:SnorlaxMonster/TTEchidna/TRPoké

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Jessie has as of today relased her Dustox :( [[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User:CoolPikachu!/Extra‎|'''chu''']][[User:CoolPikachu!/Sig|'''!''']]
:Boo. Well, lucky I'm an admin, eh? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Shellder==
Eh, you forgot Jessie's Shellder. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 12:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

==James==
In episode 261 or so, James trades his Grasser for a Weeper, then it evolves and he lets it loose! You did make 3 different things with Ash' capture of Caterpie and Pidgeotto, then the evolution of Caterpie, so you should do it here too! [[User:Hoolo|Hoolo]]

== ...Yeah, you missed a lot of stuffs. ==

Let's see, how about the Magikarp they each got from the Magikarp Salesman? Jessie's Shellder? James's Hoppip? Charizard and Aggron? By the way, in that last instance, they had MORE than six. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] says: The [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] is real![[User talk: Missingno. Master|(talk page)]] 09:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well, he didn't do, for example, Dawn's Grimer. I think he's not doing temporary Pokémon. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== Weezing and Arbok ==

You should add that Weezing and Arbok evolved by their TEARS. Tears. Sheesh, it can't get much lamer than that, can it? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 18:00, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

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==Redirects==
Just wondering about the importance of some of the redirects you made today. Palika to Palkia? Arkius to Arceus? Are they common spelling errors or something? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:31, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:They're common according to Cartoon Network. They use them in meta tags on the site.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 01:18, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon ==
Remember that Pokémon is spelled with an acute e (Éé). [[User:Mamoswine Gliscor|Mamoswine Gliscor]] 16:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:I misspelled that... where?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 21:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, sorry. Copied it directly from CN; they spelled it wrong?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 21:45, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

== Double redirects ==

Next time you move a page, make sure you fix up any of these. Otherwise, half the articles are pointing in the wrong place. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:I tried my best.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 03:50, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Dude ==

You need to ask before you start a giant project like that. No one knows what the editorial board will think, and if they decide no, then we have tons of pages on our hands to delete. Wait for a response before trying to implement a huge project. Things like that need to be passed through the editorial board first. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 13:07, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

:I'll stop for now, then.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 13:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 13:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 13:09, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::And for future reference, all categories get categorized too. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 13:10, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::::But what would they be cat'd to?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 13:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::I talked it over with the members online now, and we decided that if HGSS keeps the only having to see each Pokémon like they did in DP, then we can start it. Is that fair enough? As for the category, I'd say something like... Trainer's Pokémon by location...but that's just me. Now, I'm going to delete the ones that are already made, so that we don't have empty cat's sitting around, but if HGSS actually does what DP did, we can recreate them. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:26, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::Ok. Now who do we know that has HGSS and speaks/types English...--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 14:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I reckon seeing at least TTE saying somewhere that he imported one. I have HG on emulator, but it'll take me a looooong time before I could say anything regarding this question. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 14:50, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Very Good ==

The images of the Sinnoh League Badges, you are the best in Bulbapedia with the images, can you tell where did you founded that images? {{unsigned|Mario136}}
:Thanks! They were from NintendoWorld Report--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 01:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

== its been proven ==

yeah
--[[User:TheLastCharmander|TheLastCharmander]] 20:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:Where?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 20:28, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh my bad. i thought you were referring to the fact that Mewtwo destroyed the lab and not the fact the scientists were killed. But wouldn't the huge explosion be a hint?
--[[User:TheLastCharmander|TheLastCharmander]] 20:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
::::No. Say they ran away fast enough. And people have survived explosions.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 20:32, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually the Dr. Fuji article states that Fuji was the first character killed on-screen in the anime and that all the other scientists were presumably killed along with him. Sorry my friend, but it seems TheLastCharmander is right on this one (;
--[[User:TheLastCharmander|TheLastCharmander]] 00:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

==Hi==
I noticed you have been editing the <code>User:</code> namespace a lot recently. You may not be aware of this, but Bulbapedia has a {{bp|Userspace policy}} that asks users to try and minimize the number of userspace edits they make in a short period of time. Heavy editing of these personal pages can put undue stress on the server, so please leave your page alone for now and go help out in the mainspace. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, after all, so please help us to complete it! If you edit the mainspace more often, you will be allowed to edit your userpage more often too. Thanks! --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 21:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know. However, if it is for a possible mainspace addition, as most of them were, they do not count.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 00:07, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
::It's not that "they do not count", it's that the staff are more lenient about them. To be making a ton of userspace edits even for mainspace use, a high level of mainspace contribution is still required. We're working on an update to the userspace policy; this should become clear for you soon. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:05, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Ooops, sorry! That's what I meant.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 15:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

== Template creation procedure: ==

#Create template in the userspace - Check
#Ask users for opinions via the template's talk page - Undone
#Get admin approval to mainspace - Undone
#Mainspace the template - Check

Umm... It looks like you skipped 2 very important steps there with {{u|Immewnity/Template:Console infobox|this template}}. So, how about we go back and try this again, starting back at Step 2? - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 17:41, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, shoot. Forgot about that. Sure. You're an admin, right?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 18:09, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:I'd also like to know where these steps were documented.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 18:13, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'm an {{bp|administrator}}, that would be why I was able to delete the redirect that was made when I moved your template back. The steps, it should be fairly obvious that regular users shouldn't be adding templates whenever they please. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 18:26, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Should be documented, though. Because to me the second one would not necessarily apply if an admin already looked it over.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 18:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:::And did you get permission for [[:Template:Grass color light]] or similar templates?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 19:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I did, actually. Direct permission from {{u|TTEchidna}}, just so you know. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:44, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Where? I believe you but just want to know where.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 19:48, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::AIM. It's how we all communicate. You oughta join us. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:02, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Ah, good ol' crashy AIM. :-) --'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 20:04, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Mine hardly does; it has trouble starting at times, but no crashes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:08, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

== Also and by the way ==

You're somewhat of an amateur programmer, I get. Or at least an amateur web design guy. Anyway, I've got an idea for something we can do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:08, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Okey...--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 20:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::Discuss with me via AIM, though. This isn't to be public knowledge yet. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:11, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

== Template removals ==

Thanks for moving the templates. I just skimmed the help sections where it said to go ahead and create pages; I should have read them more thoroughly. [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] 17:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:It's okay. B+Same thing just happened to me, in fact, and didn't want the admins to murder - I mean find you.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 22:18, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

== Hyper CD ==

[http://daiharu.gekidasa.com/temp/hypercdomg/index.html Yes. I'm sure]. Umeko has the CD. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 23:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:Wow. Interesting. Now just the link thing.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 23:47, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::NVM.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 23:49, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:::(edit conflict) Dude. It was Nov 1999. It's been a full decade. The link is dead. And HyperCDs back then were obviously not what they are today, which solves your space questions. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 23:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::::iirc the link lead to [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdFMBpseRiw this video] on the Atlantic Records site. This was ten years ago, though, so I'm not sure you'd want to rely on my memory and add that to the page. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:52, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Found the issue: HyperCDs and Hyper CDs are different.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 23:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::Haha, yeah, audio CDs and CD-ROMs are different to begin with. :P [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 00:00, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

== Im curious . . . ==
What's with a lot of the Pokemon Sugimori images being brightened up '''big''' time. What am I missing here? --''Merry Christmas!'' '''[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]]'''7 18:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
:Just a coloring difference. If you can find a full CMYK to RGB converter, be my guest.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::No offence, but those brightly coloured pictures look awful! I think it would be better to keep the smaller, properly coloured images for the time being. Thanks! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 17:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't think these are how the images were supposed to look. You can't alter them and then say they are Sugi images. They are now your messed up un-official versions. They need to be swiched back. Bigger size is ok, but the color is too much. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::"If you can find a full CMYK to RGB converter, be my guest." These images were not modified from their original state, and are official. I did not mess them up. Ask me about any and I'll give you my source. If you have a real problem, bring it to Maverick Nate.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 02:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::But until we can find a CMYK to RGB converter, whatever that is, please can we keep the images as they are? They may be high quality but the colours are just far too bright. It's better to have a smaller, correctly coloured image. Please don't go replacing any more images just yet! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 11:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Plus we really don't need such huge images taking up space, they're only used for the infobox and.. not really anywhere else on the site. Why do we need them so huge?? Some of the original pictures were tiny and something bigger would've been better, but... not 1000px bigger. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 16:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::"If you have a real problem, bring it to Maverick Nate." "These images were not modified from their original state, and are official." You have no right to tell me to stop the uploading. I feel like I'm repeating myself.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 17:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Sigh. Guys. Game Freak would save the images as CMYK because ''they're used on printed materials''. There might be a setting in GIMP or Photoshop, though. And the high-res art is ''good''. It means we can make the infobox look awesome, and also have it be all shiny and new. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Aren't these images available online somewhere where they have used the art in that form? I still don't understand why we need to alter them to make them like that. Are you saying they were originally drawn by Sugimori like this, and then converted to what we all know as his art, so it would be printable? After looking at them for a while I do somewhat agree that they look more like what they should, but these images were found ONLINE. If GameFreak wanted to show off the original artwork, they would have. This is what GameFreak has released so I think that is what we should show. Not our own customized view of how they would have been. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::"These images were not modified from their original state"--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 19:59, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::Ok then. What was their original state? Because sugi artwork is shown on official Pokemon sites and it does not look like that. So like I said before, if official Pokemon sources don't use these style of images, why should we? This is all I am trying to figure out. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 20:13, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::TTE's right, there may be a converter in Gimp. I have Gimp on my other computer, so if it does have the converter I'll try and do that with some of the images to make the colours right. I don't really fancy doing it with all 495+ Pokémon though! [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 20:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
[[File:052Meowth.png|thumb]]
::::::::::::I'm checking, too. There aren't that many that have CMYK; should just be some Kanto ones.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 20:05, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::Look here. Does that look good?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 20:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Still a little bit bright, but it's OK. Is that after the conversion? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 21:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

The colours are a lot better on the earlier version with the caption "testing". [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 21:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

==Ash's Charizard new sprite!==

Hello! Well.... I've been seen the Ash's Ketchum article and the charizard's sprite don't looks like with the ash's charizard, athoulgh it's the original sprite of HGSS Games I think that this sprite looks like more with the charizard of anime! Take a look!

[[image:Charizard alternative sprite.gif]]

What you think we change the sprites? this had already made with ash's burtefree.... so? It's all okay!
Thanks!

[[User:Pedraito|Pedraito]] 02:28, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:No. Ash's Charizard doesn't have a special feature like Butterfree's Scarf.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 03:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

But ash sceptile and your pre-evolutions were change too.. and don't have too much changes.... don't you like of charizard's new sprite ?

[[User:Pedraito|Pedraito]] 03:15, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm not really one to go to for the custom sprites, and it seems to have been deleted.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 03:25, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

::::Ash's Sceptile has a stick in his mouth, Charizard doesn't have anything. Besides, the Image is deleted--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 03:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== Um, hey ==

Hi. You say on your page you hate cheating, right? Then you blurt out that you met your empoleon at lv100. Yeez man how you do that? Anyway i'll trade your empoleon for a fully leagel (you can check if you want) darkrai, level 100. Caught on newmoon island, and i have the members card. If you wanna trade tell me on my talk page with a time (uk times please!) and your freind code. I'll post back with mine. Thanks. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 10:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:I didn't say it was caught at level 100. Plus, that's no longer up for trade; I just didn't get to updating it.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 20:58, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

um...
===Cheating===
Just in case you were wondering, I do NOT like cheating. I consider Action Replay, GameShark, GameGenie, etc. ILLEGAL. It is like going into Apple's OS, taking out the few good things, and then using it. (if you are at all confuzzled, then they are taking out the fun parts of the game.) Anyone who boasts that they have a Pokémon before the respective event happens I believe cheated. Anyways, they could not have gotten it off the GTS, as you need to have the Pokémon on your Pokédex; that is, unless you CHEATED!

===Pokémon to trade===
{{g3event/4|
ndex=395|
pokemon=Empoleon|
nick=EMPOLEON|
ball=poke|
otcolor=blue|
ot=Lucas|
id=48677|
date=Jun. 22, 2007|
met=Lake Verity|
encounter=app|
level=100|
nature=Quiet|
ability=Torrent|
noability2=|
item=[[Charti Berry]]|
ribbon=yes|
ribbontype=Effort}}
{{emove|Hydro Cannon|Water}}
{{emove|Shadow Claw|Ghost}}
{{emove|Surf|Water}}
{{emove|Hydro Pump|Water}}
|}
{{-}}
Also has Sinnoh Champ ribbon.

↑↑↑

so, um, you did. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 18:52, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

OH! I challenge you to a battle! 6 on 6! Wifi. You OK with that then? I will accept ANY Pokémon and I'll only use my Legal (that is, not ARed) Pokémon. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 18:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:Whoops! I meant lv. 5! There's no place to specify that, though... but I'll have to decline. I'm much to busy to do Wi-Fi battles or trades now. Ask me mid-June.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 19:09, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Um, where did completely legit non-event Empoleon get the Classic Ribon? I thought only event distributed ones could get it. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 00:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where did this come from? ==

Where did the Pokéthlon art come from? The big HQ piece with Typhlosion breaking the bricks? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 22:14, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

== Kanto HGSS ==

Thanks for getting the HGSS artwork of Kanto, but it needs to be fixed. Routes 27 and 28 are not on there. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:19, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:...okay? Is it on the full one? [[File:HGSS_JohtoKanto.jpg|500px]]--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 16:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
::Yes....of course they are on the main map. The map should be cut off immediately east of Blackthorn City and New Bark Town. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I'll try when/if I get the time, though I'll have problems being on until early May, so...--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 15:22, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny ==

Did you talk to anyone prior to doing so (capitalization)? It's actually a big deal, as there are many pages linked to this article. If not, I suggest you revert it until you get an ok. Spiky-Eared is correct here, but in Pokemon.com, it's Spiky-eared. It's BP's call. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:07, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:It was capitalized in some parts of the article already, so also for consistency. And Spiky-Eared is used on pokemongoldsilver.com --'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 03:35, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
::As I was saying though, did you discuss with higher up? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 00:03, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
:::No, which is why you're free to revert, though official would be best in my opinion.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 18:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Erhem ==

Redirects... despite a source or more... I think the should still be within reason. I mean, HearGold and Johnto... really? Honestly, I could say Mehnew, totally meaning {{p|Mew}} on a website, and that would be a redirect according to your reasoning... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:36, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:This is on an ''official'' website. We have other misspellings of names, so {{p|Wynaut}}?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 03:02, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::Nobody's perfect though... are you implying that if they spell Brock as Brok or [[Brook]] that you'll redirect them to Brock as well? It's unreasonable... Some are very common, such as Quilfish, but Johnto when they mean Johto? Not really... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:04, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:::If you want them deleted, fine. I just thought they'd be of use.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 03:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Already done. The misspellings just have to be within reason, that's all I'm saying. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:15, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== High resolution FireRed and LeafGreen Pokémon artwork ==

Hi, I'm doing a bit of fixing up on the Pokémon pages (infobox wise), and I've noticed that a lot of the FRLG art for Johto Pokémon goes really blurry when made large (about 180px). Any chance of that getting updated soon? Thanks. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 09:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, and also quite a lot of the Ruby and Sapphire artwork, is poor quality too. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 05:09, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

== Images links ==

Must always be done as <nowiki>[[a:File:Blabla.png]]</nowiki>. the "a" is the most important part. It keeps them off of these wanted pages. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 21:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry. Why's the Archives protected, btw?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Protecting pages ==

If a name is to be protected from creation, then there can't be anything on the article. This includes [[Template:Protect]]. If you ever need page names to be protected, then ask anyone at administrator level or above; do not create with <nowiki>{{protect}}</nowiki>. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:24, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:Okey-dokes.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 16:18, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
::Also protect Nezumimi (Pokémon), Nezumimi (Pokemon), and Iris's Koromori. Thanks! :D--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 16:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Girafarig (Pokémon)

2010-07-14T23:17:34Z

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== It's the only ==
Dual-Type Normal-Type with no Electric weakness. Someone put this in for me, please, I'm horrible at edits. --[[User:Chaos Theory|Chaos Theory]] 20:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

:Horrible at edits or not, you wouldn't have been able to do it yourself anyway at this time. It's not until UTC reaches tomorrow that the protections set on the species pages start to expire, provided that they're not renewed (and believe me, that would require multiple people slaving over a hot stove, cooking dolphin, and getting no appreciation). I'd reveal the reasons for this, but if I did so, I'd have to permablock you. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:09, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
== Bite ==
Is it true that Girafarig can't learn Bite. If so, isn't it than a Trivia [[User:Bigtukker|Bigtukker]] 13:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Why would it be? --[[User:Grubdubdub|Grubdubdub]] 06:48, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:... It is in the trivia...--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 07:03, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Pokédex Error ==

In it's Emerald Dex entry, it says "''A Girafarig is '''an''' herbivore--it eats grass and tree shoots. While it is eating, its tail makes chewing and swallowing motions as if it were also eating.''" Is this an error on Bulbapedia's mark, or Game Freak's?

Talk:Reuniclus (Pokémon)

2010-07-14T23:03:08Z

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{{forums notice|March 31, 2011}}

== Artwork ==

Could someone please edit the artwork for this Pokémon, because it looks a little badly cropped, due to the yellow in the hand. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 23:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Reuniclus (Pokémon)

2010-07-14T23:02:53Z

Pawsrent: /* Artwork */ new section

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== Artwork ==

Could someone please edit the artwork for this Pokémon, because it looks a little badly cropped, due to the yellow in the hand.

Talk:Team Magma Hideout

2010-07-14T21:01:01Z

Pawsrent: /* Umm... */ new section

==1st floor of Ruby hideout needed!==

There's 4 floors in Team Magma's Hideout in Ruby and the floor that the table says is the 1st floor is not the 1st floor, it's really the second floor. Can someone get the real 1st floor/entrance plan of Team Magma's Hideout in Ruby and put in the table? Thanks. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Uploaded it just now [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 01:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Umm... ==

Could someone please take the numbers out of the Ruby images? I know that they are for the guide t it, but they aren't in the [[Aqua Hideout]]. The numbers look knid of odd and out of place.

Talk:Oshawott (Pokémon)

2010-07-13T23:13:13Z

Pawsrent: /* 500 */

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==File not showing up==

The artwork won't show up. The same thing happens with the Grass type starter's artwork. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:It has not been uploaded yet. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 23:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I'm sorry I just realized that after posting. Are you gonna put the ? image for the menu sprites like you did Zorua and Zoroark? Just wondering. It would look neater. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

==500==
It should be stated in the trivia section that Mijumaru is the 500th pokemon {{unsigned|DSDark}}
:No. At the moment we don't know that for sure, and once we do it'll be in the infobox at the start of the article, so there'll be no need. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::...yes we do? Water starter is always seventh from the last of the last generation. It's like saying we don't know that you'll be able to buy Poké Balls. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Have something like "Mijumaru marks a milestone in that it is the 500th Pokémon in the National Pokédex." [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 03:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Here's some trivia relating this: Mijumaru is one of two starter Pokémon to have a National Pokédex number that is divisible by 100, the other being Turtwig. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy Appletree]] 17:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
:Turtwig isn't the 400th, it's Piplup. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 23:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Mijumaru is the first Water-type starter based on a mammal. The others were reptiles, with the exception of Piplup, a bird. --[[User:MegaTroopX|MegaTroopX]]
:Mudkip wasn't a reptile though, it's amphibian-like as it was based on mudskippers or axolotl. But I guess that doesn't matter... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 03:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, mudskippers are fish. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, my bad, but they're still amphibian. Point is, Mudkip is not reptilian. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 16:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Amphibians are not fish, nor are fish amphibians, though I do see what you are trying to say. [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 08:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==
Where does the name come from? [[User:Eddie Blake|Eddie Blake]] 15:11PM, 13 May 2010

Mijuku means immature, and maru means round, or ball. {{unsigned|Don't Hug Lucario!}}

Should someone add that, or are we waiting? [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:If I may add, the 'maru' in its name could be a reference to its round head. However I think I recall that 'maru' can also mean boy, which could be a reference that most starters have a higher chance of being male, but that meaning is probably less likely. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::"丸" (まる, ''maru'') means "circle". The other two B&W starters have speculations such as this already added into the name origin section on their pages... someone should add this one in. --[[User:FrozenPandaMan|FrozenPandaMan]] 23:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC) Oh, and 未熟 (みじゅく, ''mijuku'') does indeed mean immature. --[[User:FrozenPandaMan|FrozenPandaMan]] 00:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Name origin currently lists 'mizu'. Can an admin add the extra about 'mijuku' please? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Height and Weight ==

Got this from Pokebeach:

Height: 0.5m (1.6ft)
Wight: 5.9kg (13Ibs) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Here's the sprite of Mijumaru that I uploaded onto Bulbagarden Archives from CoroCoro --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Why did it get deleted? [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 09:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:That version was deleted because it was a duplicate. The version on the article isn't showing up coz of sync issues :( —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

==Uhm...==
[[File:Spr_3r_000.png|thumb]]
Since when does Mijumaru evolve into Missingno? --[[User:Gen1king|'''GE''']][[User talk:Gen1king|'''N1''']][[Special:Contributions/Gen1king|'''KI''''''NG''']] 20:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's a placeholder. We don't know what it evolves into yet, but we know it evolves... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 20:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Tenquestionmarks-Pokédex.png|thumb|right|200px|]]
::Would it be better to use the question mark sprite from the Pokédex? Not this whole image of course, but I couldn't find the clean sprite by itself. Using Missingno. does seem a bit odd; makes it look like Bulbapedia has gone glitchy! [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 09:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I agree with Taromon. Lets use oour question mark for unknown, rather than Missingno.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Couldn't we just link them as [[image:501.png]] and [[image:502.png]]? It's done for Mijumaru iself. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 10:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

==Moves==

This pokemon knows Water Pulse... [[User:Chomi|Chomi]] 09:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

==Physiology for the admins to implement==
Mijumaru is a bipedal sea otter-like Pokémon, primarily light blue, dark blue, and white in coloration. Mijumaru has a rounded, spherical white head, with small, triangular dark-blue ears to the sides. Mijumaru’s eyes are large, dark, and ovular in shape; its dark-orange nose is shaped like an oval tilted to the side. Mijumaru also possesses speckles to the sides of its face, most likely meant to be a stylistic implication of short whiskers in the common manner of cartoon canines, and light blue bubble-esque features composing a “collar” around its neck. Mijumaru’s torso is light blue, and decorated with a pale yellow seashell feature in the center. Its small, digit-less and somewhat rounded arms are white in coloration, with its feet---having, unlike its forearms, discernible digits---colored dark blue. Mijumaru also possesses a slightly plank-shaped dark blue tail. (I should facilitate my efforts before other persons fill in Physiology sections before me...) [[User:Steph|Steph]] 18:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks again Steph, these are so well written! —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's perfect. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 02:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:::The "---" looks unusual. Is it supposed to be some kind of wiki code that is broken? I think a simple dash (—) would be much better. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Fixed. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::OK, can you put spaces around the dashes too please? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::Those em dashes aren't supposed to have spaces between them and the word, so technically it is right how it is. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

==Evolution==
Mijumaru's evolutions name is Rakonosua (ラコノスア) Originating from rakka meaning Sea Otter in japanese - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Vkickass}} ([[User talk:Vkickass|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vkickass|contribs]]) ''

Talk:Bonsly (Pokémon)

2010-07-13T19:48:48Z

Pawsrent: /* Umm... */

If anyone's wondering where the name came from, check Pokemon-games.com. - Vagabond Aeon

= Pronunciation =

How do you pronounce this? I would call it Bons-lee, but with the name origin, it could be Bon-sly. Any ideas? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 02:28, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:I don't remember writing that and still don't have an answer. Ha ha ha. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 23:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::I pronounce it Bon-sly. I don't think we can find out until the movie is released. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 15:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I also pronounce it "Bons-lee." --[[User:Argy|Argy]]
::::From Pokebeach today:
:::::''I was just e-mailed by PUSA with this info "The only thing I wanted to clear up on your post is that Bonsly is pronounced Bon-sly -- officially. The pun is that it's a "sly" "bonsai" tree, you don't realize it's a Pokémon. Regardless of what others say by accident, I wanted you to know the actual pronunciation."''
::::So it is officially Bon-sly.--[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 15:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Could an admin put up a "bad picture" template on? The artwork pic is blurry. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

==Umm...==
In trivia ''Bonsly is the only Pokémon yet that is usable in-game by a player during the generation before its release, as it was on the Battle Bingo Bonsly card.'' it isnt exactly correct since munchlax is playble through hacking in mystery dungeon and also playble in pokemon dash, shouldnt it be that it is only pokemon to be avaible for use in an in-game battle?
:Wouldn't that also make those two Pokemon technically Generation III, since they are playable in at least one game in the generation? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 19:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Donphan (Pokémon)

2010-07-12T16:48:04Z

Pawsrent: Possible origin?

== Possible origin? ==

I was looking at M. C. Escher drawing, and I found an interesting one that depicted a imaginary creature that may have been the inspiration for Donphan. You can find the link [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curl-up here].

Talk:Unown (Pokémon)

2010-07-12T15:08:04Z

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Has anyone else noticed that the Unown O sprite is smaller than it should? -[[Image:Ani383MS.gif]][[User:Groudon465|Groudon465]][[Image:Ani201TMS.gif]][[User talk:Groudon465|Talk]] | [[User:Groudon465/Decks|Decks]][[Image:Ani133MS.gif]] 15:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

:Yep. I think someone resized it to 64x64 or something, rather than 80x80. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{Ani|281}} 15:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:I recently fixed it, it was a different size than the rest, and it had a white background, so yeah... It's fine now. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Um... Do you have any idea what the tablet says in that picture? I've translated it from unown;
<pre>FRIEND
SUBETE NO I
BETSU NO IN
NANIKA WO</pre>

Any idea what this means? [[User:Im a bulba|Im a bulba]] 02:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
:[[DP040]]'s trivia section has it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 02:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

== Legendary? ==

A book I have lists Unown as legendary. Is this accurate? (I don't have the book now, though) --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 20:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:No. Unown isn't legendary. It starred in a movie, but its stats cause barfing even moreso than Phione's, and.. erm, yeah. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 20:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Unown ''are'' Legendary Pokémon though, it states so in the movie. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 21:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

No it means they are ''legends''. If Phione is hardly considered legendary all of Unown's very SUCKISH stats make it absolutley NOT legendary.
{{ani|448}}[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']]{{ani|448}} 22:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Phione is legendary. It's confirmed by Pokémon.com. Unown are ancient and the like, but they aren't legendary. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/TinaTheKirlia|δ]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]]{{MS|281|Kirlia}} 22:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I know thats why I said '''''HARDLY CONSIDERED'''''
{{ani|448}}[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']]{{ani|448}} 22:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Unown is legendary, then so is Arcanine. Dragonite. Tyranitar. Salamence. Metagross. Garchomp. Just because they have legends associated with them (Pokémon ''of'' legend) doesn't mean they're legendary. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 22:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I always had the impression the were legendary. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Yea, same. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 18:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Let's review the facts. It can't breed (even with Ditto!), it's genderless, and it has legends associated with it. Sure it has piss-poor stats and is common as hell, but so is Phione, and if THAT thing is legendary, I don't see why this isn't! --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 11:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

There are no "rules" when it comes to legendaries. However, I do not count Unown as legendary. I mean look at it's place in the PokéDex. Wobbuffet comes after it. Plus, it has never been called a legendary. Legends and legendary are two different things. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 12:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

: Here lets vote... say '''YES''' or '''NO'''
I say '''NO'''
{{ani|448}}[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']]{{ani|448}} 12:42, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
:I say '''YES'''. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 16:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
::'''Yes'''. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 16:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
:::'''YES GAH'''--[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']] [[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Is''']] [[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']] 16:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
::::*Well I guess it is settled most of us think it is legendary so therefore-- it is... {{ani|448}}[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']]{{ani|448}} 18:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

How is it legendary? [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]][[Image:Ani202MS.gif|32px]] 03:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

There is no way that explains its legendary status. The only evidence that possibly signifies it being legendary is that there are many forms of it and it resides in an alternate dimension[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 03:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

'''''NO NOT LEGENDARY'''''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 03:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:Here, let's '''''not''''' vote. Unown is as legendary as Ditto is. Ditto can't breed with itself. Unown may be associated with legends, but it's not legendary in and of itself. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 03:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well that's like saying that Phione is not legendary, but it has been confirmed that it IS a legendary. I'm gonna try sending a letter to Pokemon.com and see what they say about Unown's legendary status. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 12:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Good idea.{{ani|448}}[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']]{{ani|448}} 12:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

'''its not legendary!!! end of story.{{ani|491}}[[User:Shinylucario|'''''Shiny''''']] [[User talk:Shinylucario|'''''Lucario''''']]{{ani|448}} 12:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)'''

WE ALL KNOW THAT!!! WE JUST HAVEN'T DECIDED YET! {{ani|448}}[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']]{{ani|448}} 12:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I'm not too sure still. Stat's don't really prove a thing. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] {{ani|486}} 15:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Just seen the new mailbag. Unown ain't legendary. --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 23:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:Since when was it ever? Cause it was never[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 00:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::Oh well, it was in my mind[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']] [[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Is''']] [[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']]

Unown are NOT Legendary. You can catch more than one in the games, therefore eliminating any possible chance of them being Legendaries (I know, Phione can be gotten from Eggs as many times as you want, but Phione is officially counted as a Legendary). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:23, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:::"Legendary" isn't actually an official status, so it could be considered legendary or not. I personally don't think it should be called a legendary because there are loads of them and you can catch them releatively early in most of the games they appear in. (P.S. Can someone tell me how to sign my edits?)
::::You type four of these things: ~ (tildes) you can also hit the button that looks like a squigle on top of the box where you edit or the four tildes underneath it.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:34, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

How the heck is unown supposed to be a legendary!thats ridiculus because thier are way more than one unown theres like a million--[[User:Blastzard|Blastzard]] 16:42, 19 March 2009 (UTC)blastzard
:If it isn't legendary, then it's the only non-legendary Pokémon to be in the Rare category in [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]].--[[User:Chaos Theory|Chaos Theory]] 02:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::Which is probably the same as Arcanine is legendary, since Unown have a 100% encounter rate in all the areas you can find them.- [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 20:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Runes ==
Theres no such thing as Celtic runes, runes are Norse (aka, Viking, Varangian, Rus, Germanic). The Celts did have a writing system but it looked nothing like, Latin or runes, Ogham is written with a line going from left to right and then you put a number of downward or upward strokes, straight or slanted to the left or right. The letter E for instance would be 4 straight lines going from top to bottom thru the middle line sorta like -IIII- this. [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 10:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

:He he he...I think '''{{p|Politoed}}''' is a [[Legendary Pokémon|legendary]]! Let's have a poll to see who else agrees with me that Politoed's a legendary! Because I like it! And because if {{p|Phione}} is a legendary, then I just don't see why Politoed can't be! --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 00:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::No way no way!!!! GAHHH!!!{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 00:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::YES! WOOHOO[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']] [[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Is''']] [[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']]
::::Yea yea whatever, I am "THE OPTIMATUM". omg, that story had so many errors[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|Maniac]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]] 00:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, my typing grammar is TERRIBLE[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']] [[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Is''']] [[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']]
:*cough* Um, guys, get back on topic. If you want to talk about random stuff that doesn't have to do with Unown, please do it on one of your talk pages or the forums. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 10:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::He's right...but I really need to think about those 'runes' {{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|11:07 11 Mar 2008}}}'''
:::I suddenly immensly regret joining this website for some reason [[User:Lowlandlord|Lowlandlord]] 14:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

== !? ==

I dont actually own any of the johto games, so can someone tell me: were the unown ! and ? available in gen 2, or were they introduced later on? '''[[:User:Origamiguy|折り紙ガイ]] - [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|離す]][[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|貢献]]''' 09:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

:They were all available in Gen 2. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 09:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

::No. ! and ? were introduced in Firered/Leafgreen, i believe. They weren't in Gold/Silver/Crystal. [[User:Takoto|Takoto!]] 10:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Technically, they were first programmed into RS. You just couldn't catch them until FRLG. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

== Who comes first: "!" or "?"? ==

Which one of the two non-letter Unowns is listed first in the Pokédex from Generation IV games? Is it "!" just as this article lists them? --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 21:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

:The Gen IV Pokédex lists them in order in which they were caught. Not in any alphabetical type of order. I think that "!" is listed first because "exclamation" begins with an "E" which comes before "Q". ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

::I don't think it's becaus it starts with an "e." I don't really know, but I'm pretty sure you are right.[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 19:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Of course the gif image reverses that. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I think "!" comes before "?" because in the Japanese set counterpart of {{TCG|EX Unseen Forces}}, It has "!" as 66 and "?" as 67. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::Here's a more game related explanation: The index numbers of Gen III list "!" as number 438 and "?" as number 439. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 20:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::Here's another game-related explanation: The Seal Case lists the Unown seals in alphabetical order. It also lists the Shock Seals (Unown !) before the Mystery Seals (Unown ?).[[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 07:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

== is this an error ==

As of Generation IV, Unown has 28 derivative shapes. There are 26 English alphabet characters, plus two punctuation marks: ? (question mark) and ! (exclamation mark). That shape is determined by its personality value.

As of Generation IV? --lord mada 10:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah. We are currently in Generation IV and nothing has changed. I know you would think Generation III but that's how it works. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 11:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Locations Wrong? ==

Are the locations wrong? Because it seems that one can search any area of any level and still find most of the Unown in that area. Should this be fixed... because it would seem to mislead anyone trying to catch their "missing" Unown. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Ben111112|Ben111112]] ([[User talk:Ben111112|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ben111112|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:I completely agree. I've been able to catch all except for ! and ? in one of the tiny rooms in the second floor. --[[User:Hoaxygen|Hoaxygen]] 00:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, I just realized those locations aren't for Diamond and Pearl. --[[User:Hoaxygen|Hoaxygen]] 05:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
They are completely wrong. As you go down the floors, 2,3,4,5,6,7 have F,R,I,E,N,D, respectively. This really needs to be changed by someone who knows how. You randomly encounter every other letter when you are in the side rooms. - {{u|Janis}}
:Umm... The locations mentioned on this species page, per letter, are for {{g|Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team}}'s dungeon [[Unown Relic]]. You're talking about the [[Solaceon Ruins]] in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}. You're thinking of the wrong games. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 05:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

== Which sprites? ==

Why do we have the U Crystal sprites instead of A like everywhere else. I think it might be interesting, if time consuming, to collect all it's sprites from the different generations. We could even create a collapsable ('cause it'd be huge) sprite box for ALL the forms. we could also do it for Arceus. I think some of the ones with less forms already have a similar, if not collapsable sprite box. Also, why do we have the F artwork? Is it the only one Ken Sugimori did?--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 01:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

Isn't it just '''Unown''', which is simply "belonging to nobody"? Why this stuff with corruption of "unknown"? --[[User:HTMLCODER.exe|HTMLCODER.exe]] 18:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
:I can't find any dictionaries that accept ''unown'' as a word. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::I get it, he means Un (negation)-own (belong to) it may be just a coincidence though, I've always accepted the corruption of unknown.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 00:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm no English expert, but I'm almost completely sure that the only definition of "Unown" refers to this Pokémon. Plus, the very trademarked Japanese name is '''Unknown''', based on which I find no place to questioning the name origin in this case.--[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 20:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::If it were simply "belonging to nobody," it'd have to be ''Unowned''. This is because "own" is not an adjective or adverb, but a verb (or noun in some cases), which doesn't make sense if you add the ''un'' prefix. Adding -ed converts it to an adjective and then you can find it in the dictionary. I think it makes more sense if it's just a corruption of "unkown" as it "nobody knows what it is, what it does and where it comes from." This way, it's more consistent with the movie/episodes. --[[User:Hoaxygen|Hoaxygen]] 23:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

its ''unown'' as in unknown as in it is not known to exist, even thuogh it is known--[[User:Blastzard|Blastzard]] 16:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)blastzard

== Purge? ==

What does the purge link in the beginning of the article do? [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 22:56, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:Changes the form in the evolution box. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 23:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::It'll eventually do other things too. Such as the spriteboxes.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Is there GF artwork of the other shapes or only F?--[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 17:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I've been wondering that myself. I think we had one of all of them but they were all to small or something. If you can find any more good looking ones than F, feel free to put them.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 17:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Images ==

The sprites for the games...we should make it consistent so it's the same letter/sign. i.e. Let's say it loads up Unown A, the sprites for all games are all A... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with HT14. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 03:06, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::Agreed. I love consistency. XD ''[[User:ShinjiLover|シンジ]]'''''[[Paul|Shinji]]'''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|Lover]],'''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|Edits]]''' 03:07, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:::We do not currently have any official art for forms other than the F currently shown. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Even so, we should get the game sprites: G/S/C/R/S/FR/LG/E/D/P/Pt... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 13:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::TTE's gonna fix it so they're all displayed semi-randomly (like Arceus) after that, people should start to see which ones are needed.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Ok, that's cool. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

== Revolving images ==

I'm more than happy to see if I can make a revolving image where the different Unowns are listed, one after another. Also, what happens if an Unown ! or ? gets traded to a [[Generation II]] game where those Unowns didn't exist?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 19:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:Err...ok, keep that to somewhere else. Also, Gen II Pokémon cannot be transferred to Gen III. [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 21:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== English? ==

It says in the article that there are 26 ''English'' charcters. However, there are other languages that have those characters, such as Espanol (Spanish), Francais (French), Italiano (Italian), and many others. Unown are based off of the characters in those languages, which in turn are based off of the Roman characters. The very words that you are reading are Roman characters formed into words that we have learned to understand. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 15:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

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== Name ==

The same post that told us these names on 2ch, said Pokabu is the ひぶたポケモン (Fire Pig Pokémon).
This name may come from ぽかぽか (pokapoka), which means "warmth throughout your body", and 豚 (buta), which means Pig.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 01:07, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Just to better cover the name origin, the "bu" part of Pokabu can come either from buta (豚 pig) or būbū (ブーブー the sound a pig makes, oink-oink).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 23:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Pokabu is the first quadraped Fire-type starter. Charmander, Cyndaquil, Torchic, and Chimchar are all bipeds, (when standing still, in Cyndaquil's case).--[[User:MegaTroopX|MegaTroopX]]
:Cyndaquil I think, despite being able to stand on its hind legs, cannot walk on them like so. I think I recall seeing that in the anime at least. But I could be wrong. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 03:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::According to the body style section of the Pokédex, Cyndaquil is in fact bipedal. So I think this could be valid trivia. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 13:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::And Typhlosion is classified as being Quadruple, despite it being depicted as being bipedal. Just goes to show... [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 19:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::First Fire-type first stage Starter, then? It's also the first Fire starter not to have flames somewhere on it's body, that could work as Trivia maybe? [[User:Reign|Reign]] 19:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Torchic doesn't have flames on its body either. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh, right. That was stupid of me. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 19:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Height and Weight ==

Got this from Pokebeach:

Height: 0.6m (2ft)

Weight: 9.9kg (21.9Ibs) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 23:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Picture ==

can we get the picture from here please
http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokabu.png
its looks so much nicer

== Sprite ==

[[File:SpritePokabu .png|thumb|right]]
Here's the sprite of Pokabu that I uploaded onto Bulbagarden Archives from CoroCoro: [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 18:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Guess Evolutions ==

Who else figures this lil guy will end up a Wild Boar type?
:If you want to talk about this, go to the black and white forums and the forums. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==Type Match-ups==
Why does the type match-up section talk about typing as if the phyical-special split never happened? Was it confirmed that the split was going to be removed? [[User:Poisson14|Poisson14]] 08:10, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:Hm? We did some template moving earlier, which brought an old template up to the forefront again. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:43, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==Pokabu/Pikablu==
Anyone else note the fact pokabu is simmilar to pikablu? or am i stringing wrong ideas together? {{unsigned|Ben7229}}
:Pokabu is its Japanese name, and Pikablu is a nickname given to {{p|Marill}}. Physically, they've got nothing in common. Probably just a coincidence. [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 22:14, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

==Hi==
It doesn't have any fire on it's body and it's name doesn't start with Hi... Is this trivia matter? [[User:Kamusioso|Kamus, the kpo...]] 06:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not in my books. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:09, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
::{{p|Torchic}} has no fire on its body and its Japanese name ''Achamo'' starts with ア not ヒ. Otherwise you would have been fine.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
==Physiology for the admins to implement==
Pokabu: "Pokabu is a pig-like Pokémon, primarily orange in coloration with the additional colors of black, pink, and yellow on various portions of its body. It has large, ovular eyes, an archetypically piglike ruddy-pink nose, and a thick stripe of yellow over its snout. Much of its face has black coloration, and its ears, long and oblong, are positioned closely together on the top of its head. Pokabu has short legs, with the extremities of its forefeet being black in coloration. There is a band of black on its lower back and rear, from which extends its coiled tail, topped with a ruddy-red bauble-like adornment." Hopefully this helps. Also, I was not sure if its extremities---farthermost portions of its limbs--- should be called hooves or paws, so I left it at "extremities". [[User:Steph|Steph]] 21:01, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:40, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

== Pokabu→Hihidaruma? ==

I know this is just major speculation on my part, but don't Pokabu and Hihidaruma look alike? Their types are even the same. Also, in the leaked anime art that was proven real, they have evolution of Tsutarja and Mijumaru, but not Pokabu. So it might be an evolution, but it also might not. And don't say that there is no proof of it. That I know, and there's no proff that it's not. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 18:05, 8 July 2010 (UTC)