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== Japanese names, no english ==
Hi there! I have one little problem with some pages, because some of the pages that have the template <nowiki>{{Japanese name|rom}}</nowiki> ''do'' have the text ''''He/She is unnamed in the English dub, simply referred to as >Name<.'''' and some ''don't''. So I began editing those who are not from the anime, and there were quite a lot of both. So someone said I should contact a staff member before beginning to make all those edits. So now I'm contacting to you, what should we do? Remove those lines if they are there, or make them if the aren't? Thanks! [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 08:25, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
:I think stating that a character is unnamed when the template already says it is unnecessary, so I'd say remove those that do have that extra line.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:43, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
::All right, thanks [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 13:48, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Done! Thank you very much. [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 14:26, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
== Pokémon with gender differences in the anime ==

How come some Pokémon that have gender differences are allowed to have their genders confirmed while others are not allowed? --[[User:PKMNAdventurer|PKMNAdventurer]] ([[User talk:PKMNAdventurer|talk]]) 04:13, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
:Both variants of the gender has to appear in order for us to use gender differences. A female Gyarados has not appeared in the anime yet, so for all we know, the animators could decide that all Gyarados (male and female) have skin colored whiskers Just because they've showed Pikachu's gender difference, does not mean all other gender differences are confirmed to exist. Games=/=anime. The animators can decide to change it up because they just can--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:33, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

== Playerking95 ==

Once again me and him are having disagreements over wording, specifically whether it should be "[[XY135]]/[[XY136]]" or "[[XY135]] or [[XY136]]". Now he's acting really disruptive and stuck-up with [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Diantha&diff=0&oldid=2500686 this edit summary]. He needs a lesson in manners. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:06, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:But I don't. You need a big lesson in hypocrisy and you need to learn that you shouldn't be changing edits when they don't need to be changed. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 18:09, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::And I would like to know what harm is being posed by my edits when the readers can't even see that part of the content? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:10, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::Seriously, hypocrisy. Do you at ALL know what it means, because if you do, then realise that if it doesn't matter, then why did you change it in the first place and why did you make something longer when you said shorter sentences were better? Please, answer me that, at the very least. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 18:14, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:::I thought others agreed with me that it doesn't really matter? And did you ''really'' just undo my last post? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:16, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::::I don't care what the others think and I have said that it's stupid anyway. Edits should be made to make things better, not the same and it does matter to me, so just answer the questions. And yes, I did undo your post, but it was an accident, honestly. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 18:20, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well, yes, there is no difference, but I don't care what anyone else thinks. Who uses / for "or" anyway? And like I said, it's clearly not harming anything. And I'm not convinced that you undid my post on accident. You've got an attitude and you show it when others challenge your work. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:24, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::Well clearly you don't care what anyone else thinks, because you're getting your way, even though it's horribly unfair to me and many other editors here who posted things which were fine in the first place. The little guy never gets his side heard and I added an "/" as a placeholder because they might just appear in one episode, and then I or someone else can delete the "/" and the episode that it doesn't appear in or I or someone else could add brackets and the word and. Your way implies that there could be no "and". And about the deletion of the post, I used the history section and clicked undo to check your edit to the page, like I do with most pages and if you don't believe me, well, and I believe I'm in my right to say this, since it's not a big deal, I don't care. Believe me, don't believe, but I know that it was an accident, because we all make them. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 18:32, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::You undid one of my edits here YET AGAIN. I'm ''really'' not convinced you're doing this on accident. If that's the way you edit articles then I'm not seeing it in your immediate edit history; you've only been doing this here ever since I reported you. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:36, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Again, it was an accident, because I was too focused on responding to your posts after checking it and there's no point in reporting this, since I did nothing wrong, since it was only an accident. And you need to calm down, accidents happen, you can easily undo it and it's not the end of the world. But you're still going off topic, so please answer the questions about the hypocrisy. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 18:40, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::::I DID answer your question, aren't you reading? And also, ''you'' need to calm down when someone makes harmless changes to your edits. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:42, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::No you didn't and does it really matter isn't an answer, I want to know why you think your similar edits are fine, when they are basically the same thing, and why you've backflipped on your shorter is better rule, unless you're just trying to make sure that only you are editing here. Also, I am calm and from your second most previous post, you are not, so please calm down and I'm just talking about my edits, I'm talking about most of your edits in general, so please read what I'm saying. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 18:51, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::THIS was my answer: "Well, yes, there is no difference, but I don't care what anyone else thinks. Who uses / for "or" anyway? And like I said, it's clearly not harming anything." And since WHEN did I have a "shorter is better" rule? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 18:54, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Okay, answer this simple question. If there's no harm and there's no difference, then why edit it in the first place? And you told me that it was better to have reappeared instead of appeared again, because it simpler and there is no way that the edit is simpler then it being shorter. Yet, you're making my edits longer, even though they are hidden and they'll be changed soon. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 19:00, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::Because why not? It's not hurting ANYTHING. And I said I understood the difference between "reappear" and "appear again". The / and or part, I DO NOT understand. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:09, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It is, because it hurts my feelings and other feelings when their edits are changed to something similar, just for no one to care about this and if it doesn't harm anything, which it does, then please don't do it in the first place. I'm fine with you fixing mistakes and adding original content, but please, please stop changing things like that and I explain the "/" thing. So, since it's hidden and there not much of a difference, please leave it in future and then we can put this all behind us and maybe even get along. I'm not a bad guy, I just get annoyed when I feel that there's an injustice taking place. It's not that big of a request really. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 19:14, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::We'll let {{U|Force Fire}} be the judge of that. Force Fire, where are you? Take care of this. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:17, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Great, I'm nice to you and then you ask someone to come here who is already on your side. This is something we can just settle between us. If you see an incorrectly spelled word, bad use of grammar, or other things like that, then you can edit them, and you made such edit son Meyer's page and I think also Steven Stone's page recently and I have no problems with those, so why can't you just make those kinds of edits and not change things so that they're basically the same edits, when they're fine and it does cause me and possibly others harm by doing this. I just don't see why we can't just be okay with this? [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 19:23, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::No. If our previous interaction (and everyone else's contributions to said interaction) was anything to go by, you definitely have ''an attitude'' when things don't go your way, whatever that way may be. And I can tell we're definitely not going to see eye to eye with anything. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::I don't have an attitude problem, even if others say so, because none of you know me, so you are definitely wrong about that, among other things and yes, we won't see eye to eye, when you are fine with treating people unfairly, and also, please post in the correct order next time and don't change previous posts, I have told you this before, but I honestly don't believe you actually pay attention to half of what I say and as I've said countless times, it isn't harmless and even if it was, then there's NO reason to do it in the first place. There's no use trying to talk to any of you, because you're obviously not listening, or you don't care about what's fair or both, but I guess that's what happens when the little guy never gets his voice heard. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 19:36, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::"I don't have an attitude problem, even if others say so, because none of you know me..." [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Force_Fire/Archive_7#Request This discussion] seems to say otherwise. "...I honestly don't believe you actually pay attention to half of what I say and as I've said countless times, it isn't harmless and even if it was, then there's NO reason to do it in the first place." I DO pay attention to what you're saying; don't think I'm being ignorant about this issue. And yes, there IS A REASON to do it in the first place, because who in the world uses a / in the place of "or"? [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:41, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
"''it hurts my feelings and other feelings when their edits are changed to something similar''" It's a wiki, get over it. Your edits are going to be changed; that's how wikis work. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:26, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, I actually DO know that, but they shouldn't be unnecessarily changed. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 19:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
::But maybe those changes would be harmless because technically no one is seeing it yet. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 19:29, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Woah. Okay, first things first. Hidden notes don't really have to be edited, their hidden, not like anyone is going to see it and nitpick at it. So yes, editing hidden notes is unnecessary and kind of pointless, they can be edited when they are ready to be unhidden. What else is unnecessary is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Diantha&diff=0&oldid=2500686 this edit summary] Playerking, don't act like you know everything. You continual reverting clearly prove that. I thought I told you to go to a talk page before clicking the undo button? Don't just revert something you don't like, because knowing you, it'll just end up in a back and forth edit war.
:::Side note, why are you using the undo button to respond to others Playerking? It's clearly done you no favors , seeing as you accidentally removed some of GrammarFreak's comments.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:33, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
::::But the thing is, who uses / in the place of "or"? It's such an unusual usage of punctuation. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 07:43, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, "/" should not be used when linking hidden things, as someone might miss the "/" when their unhiding the info. Nevertheless, it can get removed/updated when it is ready to be unhidden. Just don't worry too much about it or any hidden content, like I said, no one is going to see it and nitpick at it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:47, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::Well, I'm sorry, but I am very obsessive about these things and will not care about whether it is hidden or not. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 08:00, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

== Why did you remove the trivia I added? ==

Why did you remove the trivia I added on the M18 page? I am referring to this page: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/M18 {{unsigned|Awesomevenustoise101}}
:Because things shown in trailers are either never actually shown in the movie or are different in the movie than the trailer. It's a common thing that is to be expected.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:38, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

== Ash's Sligoo/Goodra ==

Sent you an email regarding a voice actor, just wondering if you take this as confirmation--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 20:31, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, cool. Feel free to add those.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:34, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

== official sources ==

It seems like information can only be from official sources or by playing, watching reading the specific Pokémon product but what if the information on the unofficial source is true? [[User:Awesomevenustoise101|Awesomevenustoise101]] ([[User talk:Awesomevenustoise101|talk]]) 19:05, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
:Find where that unofficial source got their information from, and if it comes from an official source, then site the official source not the unofficial source.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

== Contributions and edits and talking ==

I wasn't trying to make an edit war. I was just trying to contribute to the pages and the talk pages on here are very confusing. I am not sure why someone made a re-edit and didn't message me beforehand? I have been adding things I have noticed that while watching Pokémon and the errors they have made in the English dubbed version. Maybe there should be an easier way to message each other like a mail system or a chat box? I was only trying to help expand on things throughout the show that have happened. Please leave a message back. [[User:Raziel 5|Raziel 5]] ([[User talk:Raziel 5|talk]]) 18:14, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
:I said why I removed it in the edit summary, the errors are either too minor or not errors at all. If your edit has been removed, don't just add it right back, go to the talk page of the user that reverted you. And the talk page is the most effective way of sorting out discussions/problems about articles.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
::Well, I find it very confusing that you have to edit someone's page to talk to them unless there is another way to do so? Sorry and is there anyway for you to remove the edit warring thing off the page? I was just really confused on how the pages work. I noticed also when you go to the edit top page thing on my profile even if you go out it is no longer there and just says edit this page? Not sure if that is an error in the website or what. Also no one has addressed my question Azumarill vs. Wartortle. Bubble or Bubble Beam? on Talk:EP216. Hoping someone can clear up either what attack it was or whether or not it was an error on Misty's part? [[User:Raziel 5|Raziel 5]] ([[User talk:Raziel 5|talk]]) 14:46, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
:::How is going directly to the user's talk page to communicate with them confusing? This is something that should only be discussed on Bulbapedia, not elsewhere. I can delete revision history (if that's what you mean), but I don't see the need to. If you meant restore the edit that you made, then no, I'ce already given my reasons for their removal.
:::Someone will respond to your message on EP216's talk page when they do, have some patience. Also, sign your comments at the '''end''' of your comments, not at the beginning. And indent your comments by adding a colon, and more as the discussion progresses, so you would add four colons after my comment if you were to respond to me, and I would add five colons before my comment if I were to respond back, so on so forth.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:18, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
::::It's confusing because like on this page we are chatting on it doesn't notify me when you put something new even though it is watched. Not sure why it doesn't notify me of that? The history and contributions and editing on the pages kind of baffled me at first , too. I guess revision history is what I meant? I believe you meant to put I've not I'ce? Guessing keyboard or finger slipped? I have also watched Pokémon since 1997 in the USA when it was released on television by Pioneer Entertainment.[[User:Raziel 5|Raziel 5]] ([[User talk:Raziel 5|talk]]) 16:21, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::Users are only notified if someone edits their talk page, you don't get notified if I edit my talk page. The only way to know if someone has responded to your message on a talk page that's not yours is to have it on your watchlist or lurk the recent changes. If you meant revision history, I'm not deleting it as I don't see the need to.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:53, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

== Branched evolutions ==

We explicitly treat Mega Evolutions the same way we do for alternate forms for purposes like infoboxes and {{DL|User talk:Kogoro|Request for the Editorial Board to consider|time switches}}, so why would we not treat Megas in the same way we treat Wormadam's alternate forms on [[List of Pokémon with branched evolutions]]? It seems like a no-brainer to me. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:50, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
:A part of Burmy's evolution into Wormadam relies on which form it is when it evolves. Whereas Mega Evolution is straightforward and is not dependent on the "pre-evolved" form--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:53, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

== Megalith page ==

Hey, there. I have a question. Would it be alright if we make a page for the Megalith? [[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 19:47, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

== Fairy type ==

So does the fairy type exist or not? Because we have seen in that chapter that they exist from moves like misty terrain and Pokemon like diancie. It's really unprofessional to get rid of legit information because "they haven't discovered it yet", because they clearly exist. If they are not confirmed then the moves should be unconformed as well. Don't let the wiki fence ride.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 17:57, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
:Using a Fairy type move in a Gen VI era manga doesn't make the move a fairy type? That rule only goes for Pokémon and moves that '''changed''' types and gained the new type. If a Pokémon used Bite and has been using Bite since Generation I, then the template will show the move as a Normal type unless specified as a Dark type move. If it learns Bite post Gen I instead, then the template will show it as a Dark type.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:29, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

== Video on EP 38 proof public now ==

I just fixed the video publicity, now everyone can view it. Sorry for that. I'm new to a wiki like this so I have alot to learn. {{unsigned|TheGreenBeetle}}
:That's okay, take your time with learning how the wiki works. I'll add the info in and fix the reference for you. Also, don't forget to sign with four tildes (~) after every comment, and don't re-sign an unsigned comment as it will give off the wrong timestamp.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:26, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

== "Intended for mainspace" pages ==

Do pages like [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:SnorlaxMonster/Sandbox/Machine_Part_Rocket_Grunt this one] follow the userspace policy on limited edits per day? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 21:01, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
:The rules are a bit more lax for pages for mainspace, but the limit is still there. Your mainspace edits for the day still has to be over your userspace edits per day.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:09, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

==Serperior's Tackle==
Hi, I have a doubt. In [[Mako (M14)|this page]] it says that Serperior use Tackle, but in the move's page, in the anime section there isn't Serperior? Why? I ask for security--[[User:Naty|Naty]] ([[User talk:Naty|talk]]) 17:05, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

== Clemont's Magnemite ==

Notability rules say that Pokémon that are owned by Clemont are notable if they appeared in more than one episode and Magnemite has finally done that. So can the page [[User:Rahl/Clemont's Magnemite]] be moved to the mainspace?--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:15, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
:I've brought it up with the other staff members to get second opinions.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:36, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
::Hey I was just wondering how the discussion was going? This one is very similar to Clemont's Magneton so I'm not sure what the problem would be with Magnemite.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 17:47, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
:::ForceFire hasn't been active for a while, might be worth talking with other admin in his absence--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 18:35, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I will--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 19:47, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::BigDocFan. please don't speak for me, I was simply offline. The we are currently discussing ways to update the notability page so small, two paragraph pages like this doesn't creep into the notability requirements.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:26, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

== Ash's Greninja ==

Can you do me a favor and unlock the Ash's Greninja please? I need to add something it did during XY137. When I'm done, I'll let you lock to page until further notice. --[[User:Seabiscuit2020|Seabiscuit2020]] ([[User talk:Seabiscuit2020|talk]]) 20:17, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure pages get protected so that users can only edit the talk pages and the staff edit the page for you if your suggestion was good enough. [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 01:18, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

== Table formatting ==

{| class="sortable roundy" style="margin:auto; background:#CCF; border:3px solid #BEBED1"
|-
! {{color2|000|National Pokédex|#}}
! class="unsortable" |
! Pokémon
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{hp color}}; font-size:80%" | HP
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special attack color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Attack
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{special defense color}}; font-size:80%" | Sp. Defense
! class="roundytop" style="background-color:#{{speed color}}; font-size:80%" | Speed
! style="font-size:80%" | Total EVs
{{lop/ev|015|Beedrill|0|2|0|0|1|0}}
|}
How do I get the colors in the second row to display correctly and remove the "0" from the last column? {{unsigned|Sumwun}}

== please explain ==

I could understand my trivia point on Gallade/Froslass being removed because it's unnecessary, too coincidental, or false (seeing as Ralts is actually dual-typed now), but how is it opinion and the other "parallel" trivia points ([[Phanpy]], [[Noivern]], [[Gothita]], etc.) aren't? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 20:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

== Florges ==

Is the recurring Florges good enough to get its own page? It helped a lot with Goodras development which is important to the plot, kinda similar to Ash's raticate.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 04:33, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
:While I do think it is notable for an article, the staff would like to focus on the Sun and Moon stuff first.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:14, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
::that's good but there is already a page for it. Would it be too much right now to move it over? I'm fine waiting just curious.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 11:41, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Talked with the others and the page is fine to be mainspaced now if you'd like.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:12, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

== Article-less talk page deletion ==

Hi! You deleted the discussion page I created for a missing article because the article itself was missing. I created this page because I do not have permission to create new pages. I'm note entirely sure on why (FAQ had nothing on this), but as a result I created a talk page suggesting its creation instead. If this is the wrong way to go about things, then where should I suggest creations in the future? This is a minor case since I just suggested a redirect, but it would be good to know in general as well. [[User:FIQ|FIQ]] ([[User talk:FIQ|talk]]) 17:15, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:Bring it up on a talk page of an existing article, in this case, the talk page of [[Status condition]] would've worked just fine.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 17:31, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

== Chespie ==

So what about Chespie? Is it good enough?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 23:29, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:Approved, feel free to mainspace it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:32, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
::I tried to move it but it won't let me because a page with that name already exists, which I think is just a redirect. How do I fix this? Also since I'm here is Diantha's Gardevoir good enough?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 12:21, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Ah, right. The redirect has to be deleted first before you can move it, I've moved it for you. I've brought up Diantha's Gardevoir for the other sot review.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:09, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Gardevoir approved and moved.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:01, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

== Ash's Bayleef ==

May I ask why you removed that <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag without giving a reason in your edit summary? That is unsourced information and it does need a source to prove it.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:39, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ash%27s_Bayleef#Gender_Again Please read this section very carefully].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 08:57, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
::That's on the talk page it needs to be sourced in the main article. It doesn't say in which episode that happened.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 09:21, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Why did you also do it on Ash's Krookodile?[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 09:22, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
::::See [[EP136]] trivia. As for Krookodile, read its talk page.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:42, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Ash's Krookodile's page needs to source the episode in which that happened. I couldn't find the episode myself so it needs sourcing. Until then I'm going to add that tag back.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 08:54, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

== True about Gabby, Ty, and Cheryl ==

But I was right about Gabby being voiced by Michelle Ruff, Ty being voiced by Derek Stephen Prince, and Cheryl being voiced by Stephanie Sheh. I looked that up from Behind the Voice Actor. {{unsigned|Cameron33268110}}
:You still need to link to it, don't just say it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:02, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

== Alain's Weaville ==

Sent you an email, do I have approval--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 10:07, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
:My only gripe is that it doesn't really confirm if he voiced Weavile. Always ask more directly, try again.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:10, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
::Emailed you Bill's response, will be more direct with my questions in future--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 22:05, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Cool, that's better. Feel free to add it in.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:12, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Added Bill Rogers but for some reason it isn't coming up {{unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:::::Thw VA parameter was the other way round ("enva" rather than the proper "vaen"). I've fixed it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 09:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::Ah thanks, I'm pleased to be helping Bulbapedia, hopefully I can get some cast lists from Lisa Ortiz soon but she is understandably busy--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:46, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

== Kanto Pokérap ==

I did say in the edit summary to provide a source yet you added it back without one. All information must be verifiable so please provide one[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 06:19, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
:Not a valid source it's just one person's view on it. The video itself doesn't state any related controversy caused by it and the offence caused to Christians. When sourcing something you have to actually add it into the article itself not in the edit summary. You even added back the <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:04, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
::Are you going to respond to this because so far there is no evidence to support that point?[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:13, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
:::It's well known that christian fundamentalists have spoken against the franchise.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:17, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Well can you provide a source then?[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:20, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Specifically the Pokerap being played backwards.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:27, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
:When it's not midnight where I am.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:29, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
::While I'm not able to find any kind of source the past few days, but the source (if any had actually existed) probably died along with the 90s. This is not something that I can just pull out of the internet in a day, we're talking about something that may have not even been documented at all at the time. But it doesn't mean it didn't happen.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:10, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
:::But without evidence there is no way of actually confirming it. This makes that information unreliable. For all I (and probably other) know it is an internet myth, it could've just been made up by someone as there is no source on the internet my theory could be correct, meaning it never actually happened. Yes you are right it might have still happened but could I do something similar and say that some people complained about something else. I wouldn't have a source but this bizarre claim would be just as valid as this "I love Satan". This site is meant to be an encyclopedia not a site that has unsourced information about internet myths it is very unprofessional to have this on this site. On a final note for this comment I didn't actually know about the Pokerap backwards before reading it on this site so it could be a case of this site helped to spread this myth. I therefore think this unsourced information be removed.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 11:04, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
::::As you haven't responded to this I'm starting to think it's okay to remove that point.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 10:23, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::No response does not mean it's okay to remove it. Don't expect me to just magically find a source. Like I said, the source (if any) probably died along with the 90s and this sort of thing was probably not documented/taken seriously. But I'm pretty sure one of those Christian folks said something about the Pokerap.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:58, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
Don't speculate just because you think some Christians said that, it does not mean it's true. Without a source it's unreliable and should ultimately be removed. It's really unprofessional allowing this information to remain on this encyclopaedia.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 17:26, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
:The whole idea of sourcing is so that you can prove to the readers that the information is correct. It doesn't matter that you believed it to happen if you can't provide a source it's inaccurate and should be removed. Why are you allowing it to remain stop being so ridiculous by not replying and ensisting that it remains. The rule to not edit warring is to discuss it well I have and as it turns out a source doesn't exist this is surely a conclusion so the information should be removed.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 11:45, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

==Idea==
As I am putting in the numbers for the different Alola numbers in the number disambiguation pages I am thinking that it needs to be slightly redone, by listing the general number number first and placing in the other entries as subnotes like this:

* #008 {{p|Brionne}}, in the {{DL|List of Pokémon by Alola Pokédex number|Alola Pokédex}}
** #008 {{p|Brionne}}, in the {{DL|List of Pokémon by Alola Pokédex number|Melemele Alola Pokédex}}
** #008 {{p|Caterpie}}, in the {{DL|List of Pokémon by Alola Pokédex number|Akala Alola Pokédex}}
** #008 {{p|Ledyba}}, in the {{DL|List of Pokémon by Alola Pokédex number|Ula'ula Alola Pokédex}}
** #008 {{p|Happiny}}, in the {{DL|List of Pokémon by Alola Pokédex number|Poni Alola Pokédex}}

This is only because the Alola Pokedex takes a much different approach from the Kalos Pokedex where there is one part that is the number for all the Pokémon, and other for a specific area, instead of just listing one Pokémon in each area. Also despite the appearance of this draft I am sending to you I am willing to remove unneeded links (same Pokémon listed more than once and all DL links except the first one). What do you think? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 16:28, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
:Sorry to butt in, but if you consult your in-game dex, it's clear that the island dexes don't use different numbering systems for different Pokemon. Brionne is the only #008 in Alola. For example, the Akala Dex starts with #010 Pikipek, continues on through #019 Butterfree, then skips to #027 Grubbin, and so on. The islands just use the same numbers as the overall Alola Dex, even though they have only a subset of the Pokemon. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

==Hey==

Can I say how good it is to have Bulbapedia unlocked, missed contributing to the site, hopefully Lisa Ortiz will send me cast lists soon and hopefully include M19 and SM001 and SM002--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:58, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

==Erica Schroeder==

Sent you an email regarding a post on Facebook, is that valid enough to add the info, just in case it isn't, I have messaged her about it--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:28, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
:I'll accept that, feel free to add it in.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:52, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== Kiawe's Turtonator ==

Perhaps you'd like to look at the edit summaries for this page and deal with your friend or at least clarify why he is allowed to do as he pleases? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 17:44, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

== Signatures ==

Hello, I was wondering if it's allowed to have offensive words in one's signature as it doesn't say in our {{bp|signature policy}}. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 18:50, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
:That should be common sense, it does not need to be said.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:02, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
::Yes, I thought so too but I just [[user talk:Horton Hears a murder|told a user about this]] refering to it as "against our Signature policy" and realized it didn't say anything about it. Asked just to be sure and to have an authority's statement to fall back on in case he would argue about it, which he didn't, thankfully. Thank you anyway for answering my dumb question. :P --Silly dumbnut [[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 08:41, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
== Random Edits/Sprites ==

I saw my Talk Page, & I'm sorry, okay? I'm 14, with ADHD, & Aspergers Syndrome. What do you expect from someone who is 63% excited? But I found the sprites for when they get registered into the Dex for Sun & Moon online. Should we use those? {{unsigned|Hamfart}}
:Please don't re-sign an unsigned comment, it gives off the wrong timestamp, or in your case, just don't do it, period. We prefer users to rip the sprites/models from the game rather than taking it from another site without permission.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:33, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
::How do they rip the sprites from the game? That seems difficult.--[[User:Hamfart|Hamfart]]
:::By using a card capture device.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:50, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Where can I find one of those & how is it used?--[[User:Hamfart|Hamfart]]
:::::Just google it. They're very expensive, if you can't afford something pricey, then you're going to have to let someone else do the sprite uploading..--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:55, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

== Mewoth Team Rocket's gender ==

In the page Where no Togepi's Gone before it says that Meowth's gender was confirmed before this. When was it?[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:08, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

== May's Venusaur ==

Why do you keep removing the <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag without even giving a reason in your edit summary. It needs sourcing to verify that it's female.[[User:Ratchet and Clank 1995|Ratchet and Clank 1995]] ([[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995|talk]]) 16:21, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
:No, it doesn't. It's clearly a female. Both male and female variant of Venusaur have been shown in the anime, so it's safe to say that it's a female.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:22, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

== Move pages ==

My question is rather trivial, but I will ask nonetheless. I notice, that on every move page, the column which displayed the Types of the Pokémon that learn a specified move has been replaced by Egg Groups. Is there a particular reason to it, as it seems rather odd to do so now, when the Types are what the move pages go by, since (maybe) the beginning of the site. [[User:Harryghost|Harryghost]] ([[User talk:Harryghost|talk]]) 16:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:I'd like to second this question. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to remove the types; why not list the egg groups alongside the types? To me, the types are a basic piece of information. They're usually listed anywhere Pokemon are listed, whereas egg groups aren't an often used piece of info. Is there a reason for the change? And was there even a discussion aside from one between admins? I feel like input from other users could have been beneficial. '''[[User:Slimey01|slimey]][[User talk:Slimey01|01]]''' 17:10, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
::I don't think he's online ATM, but I can answer this question. If he wishes to add to it, he can do so.
::The reason behind the specific species being removed is more of an issue of space. The breeding tables, on Gen. I move pages especially, were starting to get extremely long. So it was decided, instead of listing 20-30 members of the Egg Group who are capable of passing the move via breeding, we instead just list the actual Egg Group. This leaves it to the user to do the research for each speccies within the Egg Group(s) who is capable of learning a breedable move. For instance, when you look at {{m|Ice Beam}}, you see {{p|Psyduck}} can learn it via breeding and is a Water 1/Field pair of Egg Groups; you find either ({{p|Seel}} and {{p|Dewgong}} each in fact satisfy both) and breed it. It's easier than putting a full species list.
::The second reason, which relates to this, is because at times there have been errors even within our information, or missing species. Listing just the Egg Group automatically includes everyone in the Egg Group with no errors (provided the Egg Group is correct in the first place).
::The question then becomes one of chain breeding identification; ATM, there are notes in the coding about which involve chain breeds, but right now there is no option within the table. Once you identify one that is a chain breed, breed THAT species to get the proper parent and then breed THAT to get the desired result. Even without checking the notes, it might be possible to look for matching Egg Groups in places and figure out the connection; for example, {{p|Skrelp}} (a Water 1/Dragon group) can learn {{m|Acid Armor}}, but needs one of its Egg Groups; this can be done via {{p|Shellos}}, a Water 1/Amphorous, which can directly breed with {{p|Grimer}} or {{p|Muk}}. Coincidentally, {{p|Goomy}} can then pick it up from Skrelp as the third link in the chain, and it's the only way Goomy can get the move. This is how you use the Egg Group informarion to find the parents.
::If you have further questions, please reply further. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 20:07, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:::That makes sense. I think that's a whole lot more efficient than how it was previously done. Is there a reason the types were removed from the table? '''[[User:Slimey01|slimey]][[User talk:Slimey01|01]]''' 20:31, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
::::I personally don't know the exact reason for this. I think it was partly to avoid confusion with Egg Groups in the tables. I do know that STAB is noted, either in bold or italics as necessary, so it may have been deemed unnecessary to include. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

==Castform Sprites==

I found it logical that Castform should have a Generation VII Spritebox (not trying to get you mad, since I still have lots to learn about the site). Is it okay with you?--[[User:Hamfart|Hamfart]]
:Like I said on your talk page, the spriteboxes will be updated/edited by the '''{{bp|staff}}''' once we have the Gen VII Pokemon sprites, so we can do it all at the same time rather than doing it in batches.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:41, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
::The 1st 721 Pokémon sprites for Gen. VI are USED in Gen. VII, so it's just the Alola forms & the 81 new Pokémon.--[[User:Hamfart|Hamfart]]
:::We know. We're waiting to have the Alola Pokemon sprites uploaded before updating the first 721 sprites, so we can do it all at once.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:21, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding Zygarde ==

Since it was you who said "It's not considered part of the trio until either the games or the anime explicitly calls them a trio, with the lore and all", and since you're an administrator, could you look at what I wrote on [[Talk:Zygarde (Pokémon)#Revisiting_Zygarde.27s_place_in_the_Mortality_Duo.2FTrio|Zygarde's talk page]] and approve/disapprove my evidence? --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 14:19, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
:I have an extremely limited understanding of the Japanese language and am not going to follow what fansubs say, since they usually take liberties. But I will bring it up with the other staff members and we will discuss it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:00, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Who do I ask so i can upload these animated sprites? [[User:PlatinumPokenut|PlatinumPokenut]] ([[User talk:PlatinumPokenut|talk]]) 04:20, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
:I was referring to the site you were using to link the images. You have to ask permission from PKParaiso if you want to use their sprites.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:59, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for the tip! :D--[[User:Hamfart|Hamfart]]

I cant seem to find this user. Where do i find this PKParaiso?? Could you put a link there,but if not could you plz help me find him?[[User:PlatinumPokenut|PlatinumPokenut]] ([[User talk:PlatinumPokenut|talk]]) 15:59, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
:It's a website: [http://www.pkparaiso.com/xy/sprites_pokemon.php] ----[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 16:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh. So can i upload BW sprites from Pokecheck if i ask? [[User:PlatinumPokenut|PlatinumPokenut]] ([[User talk:PlatinumPokenut|talk]]) 20:03, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
:If they give you permission and you can prove that they gave you permission, then yes. Also, your signature should go '''after''' your comment, not before.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

==Issue on the List of Link Templates page==
The <code><nowiki>{{gameabbrev3|GS}}</nowiki></code> for the gameabbrev section of that page has a minor issue as it is presented with a 3 in that section instead of 2 for the Generation 2 games, which needs to be fixed by an administrator. Just wanted to bring this simple fix to your attention. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] ([[User talk:Tyler53841|talk]]) 17:29, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

== Gender Differences edit - Medicham ==

It appears so to me. Most noticeable in Gen VI. -[[User:Uncleben85|Uncleben85]] ([[User talk:Uncleben85|talk]]) 18:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

== Translations ==

Re [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Magic_Guard_%28Ability%29&type=revision&diff=2579647&oldid=2579646 this].

But ''why'' is something as redundant and pointless as that done like that on every page? And, if it is done like that on every page, why is that not written in the MOS? And why is it called a translation in the code when it's not a translation?

Seriously, if I am violating a convention that was decided on for some particular reason, could you explain it?

[[User:Satorukun0530|Satorukun0530]] ([[User talk:Satorukun0530|talk]]) 09:52, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
:It's done for consistency, and it's how we have done things for a long time. As for why it's not in the MOS, I don't know. Ask an Editorial Board member. Also, please create a new section on a talk page, don't just add your comment.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 10:23, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
::I did create a new section. I just forgot to fill in the title. Honestly, I don't know why the software doesn't just fill in "untitled section" or something when forgetful old fuddie-duddies like me make mistakes like that.
::Anyway, my understanding of the convention is that when the official English name is a literal translation of the Japanese, then we just repeat the official English name in italics within the parentheses. Doing like you did on that page creates the false impression that the translation inside the parentheses is somehow more accurate/literal than the official English name The reason I don't want to replace the "translated name with a word-for-word repetition of the official English name is that that also [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Wela_Volcano_Park&diff=2572700&oldid=2563221 doesn't make much sense to me] (it's redundant) and I'd rather wait until [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nuva-kal&diff=2577005&oldid=2572872 Nuva-kal] gets back to me (or indicates that they are not going to get back to me) before going over their head to the Editorial Board. I'm still waiting on my tiny factual correction to the MOS to be restored, so actually changing the substance of it seems like biting off more than I can chew.
::(And I'm guessing you'd be unwilling to fill in and answer my queries in Nuva-kal's stead?)
::[[User:Satorukun0530|Satorukun0530]] ([[User talk:Satorukun0530|talk]]) 01:33, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
:::General conventions, sure, but it's not '''our''' conventions. It's like that to follow what in the infobox, word for word, that's literally all it is - the information on the infobox, but instead it's on first line of the page. As for the removal/replacing, again, redundant or not, it's how we do things and SnorlaxMonster gave a good reason to repeat the translation.
:::I won't answer for Nuva-kal on this subject, since my knowledge on the Japanese language is limited. As for why you need to go to an Editoarial Board member, they (along with anyone higher than them) aree the policy-makers, they have the final say on any changes to Bulbapedia's policy--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:44, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

== A question regarding animated PNGs ==

So, I've been trying to figure out what's going on here, but come up with nothing. I saw you are a fairly active administrator, and given that the main page says to ask staff if the faqs don't help....

Some, and only some, animated PNGs on this wiki are displaying wrong for me, and nothing I can do seems to fix it. It's mostly with the gen 5 animated sprites like [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Spr_5b_570.png this one] (also see that file's [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File_talk:Spr_5b_570.png talk page] for further information). The sprite appears very flickery, as though the apng's dispose method is set wrong, though it does display fine if I download it and view in Irfanview. See [http://i.imgur.com/s1T7jJJ.png here] for a screenshot of what I am seeing, in case you don't have the same problem. I am using Waterfox 50.1.0, which uses exactly the same rendering engine as Firefox (and the problem did occur when I was using Firefox as well!). [[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 18:09, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
:I've been having the same issue for a little while now. I'm using Firefox updated to the latest version. The images worked fine a few months ago. '''[[User:Slimey01|slimey]][[User talk:Slimey01|01]]''' 20:40, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
::Probably something to do with a Firefox update, something must've gone wrong. Best to ask the staff of Firefox.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:24, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Well, if anyone comes up with a solution, please do inform me. I will try to look into it, but I'm unlikely to find anything myself. [[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 04:41, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

== Registeel's Hitler Salute? ==
I don't get what's so irrelevant to the trivia point in Registeel's trivia where it talks about it's sprite. I'm just trying to point out the fact that everyone is wrong if they aren't highly educated enough. Anyone could just look at Registeel's DP sprite and be like, "yep. He's hailing Hitler," but a Nazi Salute is what one would do with their '''Right Arm,''' where Registeel's sprite is raising the '''Left Arm,''' which is a Roman Salute. Can I please get some understanding on why this general fact is so irrelevant? I'm just trying to clear things out. [[User:Bulldogs1234869|Bulldogs1234869]] ([[User talk:Bulldogs1234869|talk]]) 16:51, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
:I already explained on your talk page why: the trivia is detailing '''why''' its offensive, any other use for the salute is entirely irrelevant. Also, it doesn't matter if it's the left or the right arm, the pose is still offensive to some (plus the fact the the salute has become so ingrained in Nazi imagery, that the origin has become lost).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:54, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

== Cast lists ==
Received cast lists for M19 and XY128 - XY136, do I have your approval to add them?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 11:01, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:Took me a while to see that they were files sent from Ortiz, I'll accept them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:19, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
::Cheers, for some reason they were sent in a different format than the last ones, hoping to receive more from her soon, hope you are well--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 12:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Do I have approval for the other I sent regarding Popplio, Exeggutor, Bergmite, Litten and Rockruff?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
::::That's fine by me.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 13:56, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

== Mass reversion ==

Could you please be a bit more careful when reverting a large number of edits? A lot of {{ut|GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01}}'s edits that you reverted were perfectly good edits, such as [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=XY095&diff=prev&oldid=2585044 fixing typos] or [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=XY097&diff=prev&oldid=2585046 fixing run-on sentences and awkward wording]. '''[[User:Slimey01|slimey]][[User talk:Slimey01|01]]''' 13:08, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

== Dohga and Ether ==
Looking at the cast lists, only two characters without their dub name revealed, one being Dohga who is male so I assume Levi is his name with Ether being Cherie--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:Probably good to ask Ortiz for clarification.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:04, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

== CotD History sections ==
There are a number of CotD articles with a "History" section [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:24, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:The ones that I've checked were added by you, so I doubt it. If you can show me a CotD article that already had a history section that you did not add, then fine. Also, please don't use the section headers to write your comment, use the comment box like it should be used. You should know this already.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:53, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

== How much edits until I can edit my userpage/make pages ==

Just asking. I want to know. {{unsigned|Bubblymice}}
:Hi Bubblymice. I believe Force Fire is offline at this time of day, so perhaps I can be of assistance to you.
:First of all, before even worrying about how to edit userspace, you need to know how to sign a comment on a talk page. This is done by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, the tilde sign. On my keyboard, it's to the left of the number keys on the top row, but other keyboards may have it in other locations. Typing that four tildes gives a signature much like the one at the end of this comment. Please use that when commenting on talk pages as it's easier to track who is saying what.
:In regards to your actual question, Force Fire most likely does not know how much you have to edit to gain the ability to edit your userspace. With that said, however, it's important to note that editing userspace is a privilege, not a right. You are required to continue to be helpful to Bulbapedia to even be allowed to edit your userspace. Notice my own personal userspace page; I have had the ability for a long time, and was notorious for always having a userpage redlink, but after a few years finally decided something should be there, so put up what's there. I don't believe I've edited it since, as it's not important and adding all sorts of userspace tags isn't going to help Bulbapedia. So I don't waste my time there. More importantly, however, is the actual {{bp|Userspace policy|userspace policy}}. I suggest you review it as it gives you this answer: "Your account is not {{bp|Autoconfirmed users|autoconfirmed}}: a special status is required before you can edit your userpage; this can be automatically earned by editing Bulbapedia's {{bp|mainspace}}". You can then head over to the "Autoconfirmed users" page (it's linked here, please follow it) for any questions related to obtaining that status.
:Should you have any further questions, please feel free to reply further here. If you do reply, make sure to use colons - that is, : - to indent your reply appropriately. For future concerns, note that it's advised to first contact a {{bp|Junior Administrator}} like myself as we are the starting point on the staff hierarchy, and able to answer the most general questions. Questions beyond our scope to answer can then be escalated beyond us to the {{bp|Administrator}} level, and so on. We also have direct contact with higher staff and may be able to get an answer for you regardless. Cheers! [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:01, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

== Kiawe's Charizard ==

Now that Charizard had an important episode is it ready for its own page? It's obvious it will show up again.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 18:19, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
:Are you going to answer me? I see you editing a lot.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 06:13, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
::I am yet to see the recent episode, so I can't judge whether or not it deserves an article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:16, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Alright. Please get back to me when you get the chance to watch it. Thank you.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 06:21, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
::::I don't see how it was its own episode. Yes, we know a bit more about its history, but other than that, it was basically only used as a Ride Pokemon. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 08:06, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

== [[Claire]] voice section coding error ==

This page is blocked from editing and there's a coding error for her "Voice actresses" section (one extra "="). 20:58, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

== Bringing a vandal to your attention ==

Since the recent changes page isn't going to keep it visible under a flood of new edits, I thought I would bring this up here: A user by the name of Poképowder keeps deleting vast swaths of seemingly-random pages and replacing them with something about a "hula revenge party"--this is the second time this has happened. See [[Special:Contributions/Poképowder]]. --[[User:Xolroc|Felthry]] (F.K.A. Xolroc) ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 21:14, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:Never mind. Another administrator blocked the user in question while I was typing this. --[[User:Xolroc|Felthry]] (F.K.A. Xolroc) ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 21:15, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

== When?! ==

I'm dying to see the Gen. VII sprites on this website. And since I'm unable to upload them, when will they be? --[[User:Hamfart|Hamfart]]
:Well, considering that our Gen VI sprites aren't even complete... Honestly, I don't think we should use the models for the sprites. There are still images of each Pokémon available in the game from the Pokédex which I think would be better, such as [https://www.spriters-resource.com/3ds/pokemonomegarubyalphasapphire/sheet/64130/] for Gen VI and [https://www.spriters-resource.com/3ds/pokemonsunmoon/sheet/85356/] for Gen VII. (Not saying we should take from Spriters Resource, but you get the idea.) --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 19:03, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
::Hamfart, they'll be uploaded eventually. Have patience.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:31, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Will they be screencaps of the Pokémon inbattle, like we have done in the past for Gen VI, or will it be the Pokédex sprites like I showed above? Because I could help upload the images if I know which. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:03, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Not too sure, but I presume we're getting the in battle sprites.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:43, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

== Now that SS036 "The Legend of X, Y, and Z" has been released in English... ==

...Is it fair to say we can add Zygarde to the trio?

In the episode, Alexa and Sycamore tell the story of Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde, which are written about in a legend called the Chapter of the Stone-Eyed Maiden.

A "Y" symbol on the Chapter of the Stone-Eyed Maiden references Yveltal.
An "X" symbol on the Chapter of the Stone-Eyed Maiden references Xerneas.
A "Z" symbol on the Chapter of the Stone-Eyed Maiden references Zygarde, which appeared after Xerneas was angered.

After telling the story, Sycamore says, "I believe both Xerneas and Yveltal are incarnations of nature that take care of the land, that is their task and their purpose. And when the natural order is undone, Zygarde appears in order to balance it. These three powerful Pokemon preside over the neverending cycle of life."

I probably explained it poorly, but there you go... --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:27, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:A few other people have been discussing it on other talk pages and I think it's pretty compelling. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 17:35, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

== Re: Why did you remove the trivium I added about Ash's Original series outfit in the XY Series trivium? ==

Hi there, I asked on the [[Talk:XY series|XY series talk page]] and asked if I can add the trivium about Ash's original series outfit not being shown (including flashbacks). I've watched every single XY series episode and found Ash's original series outfit not shown at all in a single episode, not even including flashbacks. How come that trivium needed to be removed from the Trivia page in the XY series? I don't normally have any problems with anyone undoing my edits but I just don't understand why that part of the trivium needed to be removed and I was never trying to edit war. Can you please let me know why that part of the trivium I added needed to be removed even though it was true? Thank you. [[User:PokeAmour|PokeAmour]] ([[User talk:PokeAmour|talk]]) 01:26, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
:Because it's insignificant. Ash's original outfit should not be expected to make an appearance.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:50, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
::Insignificant? What do you mean? I don't get it, it's appeared at least once in every other series (whether in flashbacks or not) before the XY series. [[User:PokeAmour|PokeAmour]] ([[User talk:PokeAmour|talk]]) 06:15, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
:::The second sentence of my response.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:35, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

== Lillie's Vulpix ==

Can someone please delete the Lillie's Vulpix page? The episode where she gets it hasn't been shown yet (whether it's in the next or not). I've already been preparing one anyway for when the episode comes up.-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 18:40, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
:Nevermind, it was moved to the user space.-- --[[User:Handmaiden 101|Handmaiden 101]] ''([[User talk:Handmaiden 101|tAlk]])'' 19:29, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
::For future reference, the proper way to go about doing this is to add the <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> template to the page in question. --[[User:Felthry|Felthry]] ([[User talk:Felthry|talk]]) 22:30, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

== Welcome Template ==

Sorry! Was unaware of that. Cheers! -[[User:Uncleben85|Uncleben85]] ([[User talk:Uncleben85|talk]]) 06:54, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
Hey ForceFire,what exactly counts as "trivia"? I point things out like how serene grace can only be obtained by Gen 5 pokemon as a non-hidden ability, or how some other small thing is trivia, but every time it tends to get deleted. [[User:PlatinumPokenut|PlatinumPokenut]] ([[User talk:PlatinumPokenut|talk]]) 04:12, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
:[[User:Force Fire/Trivia Policy]].--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:18, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

== Move GIFs ==
Hey ForceFire, you're an admin or some other high rank, right? So do you think we should put GIFs of moves where the current images are? You know, so readers can see what it looks like in battle. [[User:PlatinumPokenut|PlatinumPokenut]] ([[User talk:PlatinumPokenut|talk]]) 23:59, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
:Not ForceFire, but there are already animated pictures there. They're animated pngs. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 00:09, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
::The images will be updated when we get to it, have patience. And your signature goes '''after''' your comment, not before it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:40, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

== EP028 and Voltorb ==

Voltorb isn't a painting. It is a physical Voltorb that has been painted. It's the episode that James and Jessie have created a salon and are painting/putting makeup on Pokémon. {{unsigned|JamesyWamesy}}
:Ah, okay. Haven't seen the episode in a long time and was just going by your edit summary. My apologies.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

== Lycanroc image ==

Was thinking this image featuring both forms of Lycanroc could be used on the page for in the anime
https://s23.postimg.org/5yw014wxz/DP106.jpg--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:18, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

== Apologies ==

Sorry about the Fletchinder trivia - I forgot that Crabominable had an I. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 16:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
:No problem.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 16:53, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

After reviewing your policies, I have a few questions.

* Why is the section called "Trivia" if it is not intended to contain obscure, minor details? If the concern is that the section would become cluttered with information or otherwsie become more difficult to read, perhaps consider dividing the section as clearly on the page as you've divided it in your policy.
* How is it possible for one person (or a small group of people) to remove information from a "trivia" section on the grounds that it "isn't interesting/notable"? Your policy acknowledges that different details are interesting to different people, so "notability" seems like a flimsy and ill-defined basis for considering what trivia is and is not allowed; this holds true in spite of your efforts to specify some parameters. Again, maybe "Trivia" is not an appropriate name for the section if this is how its content is determined.
* Inconsistency in notability. How is my trivia on legendary stat distribution less notable than {{p|Suicune}} being the only legendary beast that ''doesn't'' have a unique Effort Value yield? Being slightly less notable than two other Pokemon doesn't seem very notable to me. Or is it simply a submission that has fallen below the radar despite EpicDeino's open invitation to remove it if it isn't notable (13 August 2016)?

Anyway, this is the part where I explain why I think my trivia complies with your policy (aside from failing to submit it to the discussion section first, which won't happen again now that I've read the could-be-more-prominently-displayed policy).

* My trivia identify 2 stat combinations that are unique throughout the entire Pokedex and that are each applied exclusively to Legendary Pokemon across different gens (1-2 and 4-5). This makes it more notable than the fact that most sets of Legendaries do the same thing but only with their immediately-obvious counterparts from their own generation (it's also more notable than other forms of obviously-related Pokemon such as the Eeveelutions). The trivia is even more compelling in the case of gens 4-5, as the affected Pokemon are also all dual-typed Dragons that represent a fundamental force/trait/concept in the universe ''and'' all 5 of these dragons are featured on the cover of a main-series game. Altogether, I feel that this trivia is more closely related in nature to your "Flame Pokemon" example than to your understandable adherence to what makes a "unique/notable stat".
* Would you find this trivia more appropriate if I structured it and the other relationships I described above in the same way as the {{p|Noibat}}/Zubat relationship?

As a side note, I didn't add this trivia indiscriminately simply because it's something I noticed. The same process that revealed this relationship also revealed that Gloom and Porygon have the exact same stats except for swapped HP/Attack (as but one example), but I felt those didn't strike the right convergence of interesting, not-immediately-obvious and logical-in-hindsight. [[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 20:11, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

:(Not to start anything but personally I absolutely agree here and honestly - the exact Gloom/Porygon thing mentioned is what I would consider most Trivia worthy. Because it is an absolutely useless, absolutely obscure information unless you were looking for it and that's what a trivium should be. The Trivia category is definitely one I read most often here and facts like that are the reason I do it. Otherwise there's a lot of Trivia content that's not really interesting (the Suicune's EV yield is a great example) and there should be a better system for this. Also regarding the way the Trivia Policy is hidden, I can't even find it on your userpage.) [[User:KingisNitro|KingisNitro]] ([[User talk:KingisNitro|talk]]) 21:07, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
::*It's called the trivia section because it's what it is, a section for trivia. Not sure what you mean by splitting the trivia section up, if you're njot referring to the "origin"/"Name origin"/etc, I don't think it's necessary to split them up any further. And my trivia policy doesn't split up anything.
::*Notability is subjective. The policy is to boil down what is and isn't notable to get rid of any subjective opinions, i.e. a rule that everyone can agree on (like unique types being agreed as notable site wide). There are of course no wrong or right opinion, but anything on the notable or unnotable sections of that policy are generally things that are agreed to be notable site wide. Smaller things are just a case by case basis.
::*Your trivia was removed because it was a tie for a "normal" base stat and was too specific (I'll explain later when I get through the other part of this point). The Suicune trivia is not notable and should be removed, as one out of three is too small of a group to be notable. Simply put, the Suicune trivia wasn't notable and did not get removed because it was most likely overlooked.
::*The trivia you proposed was too specific, at least the way you worded it. Only ties for the ''highest''' or '''lowest''' base stat total are notable, everything in between is not. We do this so not to clutter the trivia section with other ties for non highest/lowest base stat totals. And the part about their individual base stat being different is too specific, it does not matter that their individual base stats are different. It's too minor and widespread to note, as every other Pokémon with shared base stat total have different base stat values.
::*As for the legendaries having the same base stat total as their counterpart or dragon legendaries having the same base stat total because their mascot Pokémon is just too obvious. Counterparts are clearly going to have similar stats.
::*Category trivia is a different thing, it's not restricted to a set of things, like how there are 18 types, so it's restricted to that number. CAtegory is not restricted to a set number of words and they (Nintendo) could use a whole range of words. The Zubat/Noibat trivia is a comparison trivia, again different. Although the mention of them having similar base stat total with different base stat values should be removed as per my reasoning earlier.
::*I initially thought you meant the Porygon/Gloom thing was on their pages. But again, it's too minor, specific, and widespread. ''Many'' Pokémon with the same base stat total have different individual base stat.
::*@KingIsNitro, it's on my userpage in the infobox, under subpages.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:35, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

*Your policy very clearly divides trivia into 7 different categories. You even have a template at the bottom of the page that leads to separate hyperlinks describing each in greater detail. One of my proposals is less restrictive "notability" criteria for trivia entries, and if any given trivia section becomes too large or otherwise difficult to read, split it up according to these categories rather than deleting things you personally don't find "notable".
*I understand that some measures must be taken to prevent utterly banal trivia from rendering the section unreadable, but I feel that a strictly literal interpretation of your current policy is too restrictive. Case in point: might as well delete {{p|Meganium}}'s entire trivia section.
*Some portions of your explanation convey a lack of understanding of my submission. I'm not saying it's notable that these Pokemon have the same base stat '''total''', I'm saying they have the same individual '''stats''' just in a different order. That they would have the same total is one obvious consequence and is not the focus of the trivia.
*I also think you are overestimating how common this type of relationship is. Currently, only 109 Pokemon have this type of relationship; just 48 after removing the very obvious cases where all Pokemon sharing a common stat spread are related through evolution (Eeveelutions, Gardevoir/Gallade etc) or are immediately adjacent in the Pokedex (the Pan/Simi monkeys, Legendary clusters made only from Pokemon of 1 gen etc). For comparison, 77 Pokemon have unique base stat totals. Of these remaining 48, the Gen 4-5 Box Dragons form the most noteworthy cluster, and many of the more-apparent ones (Meganium/Venusaur, Drampa/Turtonator etc) already contain this information in their trivia sections, and the relationship between Hoppip/Fomantis could give the latter its first trivia entry.
*I contend that this type of relationship is ''more'' worthy of an entry in a Pokemon's trivia section than "it has the highest HP of a Steel type"; the latter can quickly be identified by any curious party by exploring [[List of Pokémon by base stats (Generation VII-present)]]. What I'm describing is something that can't be revealed at a glance on such an already-noteworthy page.
*I'm honestly quite baffled that your approach was to delete that relationship from the Zubat/Noibat connection; now it's just "these are two Pokemon that resemble the same animal and have a common ability". You made the trivia ''less'' notable than before. Should I add similar "trivia" for all of the bird-like Pokemon with Keen Eye?
*You say that it's obvious that some counterparts would have stats in common. This is certainly true, but it only goes so far. Do you consider Mewtwo and Ho-Oh to be counterparts? Did you know that Giratina/Reshiram had the same stats before I brought it up? And if you find the latter unworthy because it's still "too obvious", this suggests that you feel Porygon/Gloom would be worthy ''because'' it's so random, but you reject that as well. Honestly, it sounds like you're contradicting yourself in an effort to have it both ways.
*I'm going to be frank: Your current rigid approach to trivia entries feels like it flies in the face of what makes a trivia section interesting. One of the most interesting things about the Pokemon franchise is the complex interrelationships between Pokemon species, and your current system of "notability" actively restrains the exploration of such relationships. Your trivia policy feels decidedly anti-trivia and needs either significant revision or less draconian application. [[User:Areku|Areku]] ([[User talk:Areku|talk]]) 19:23, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:*Oh, those aren't what you think they are. Those split up the '''type''' of trivia. So "Species" are trivia that go on the individual species page, "anime" are trivia that go on the anime page, so on so forth. The trivia section on of itself does not need to be split off, we have (very) large trivia sections (Pikachu comes to my head). The length of trivia sections is a non issue, it's the unnotable content within the trivia the are an issue.
:*Most of the notable or unnotable things on that page were gathered from the trivia and opinions of the time (which was... 2010, I believe), I looked around to see what trivia was considered notable and unnotable by looking at disussions, history revisions, and what trivia was consistently present among pages - hence "agreed upon site-wide". Notability is ever-changing as new opinions come up, which is why it's still in the userspace - it's something that's going to be updated constantly until staff and users alike can come to an agreeable conclusion. As for the Meganium trivia, many pages have trivia that would be unnotable, they're never changed or removed because no one has gotten around to doing so.
:*48 is still quite a large number, and trying to specify specific grouping of Pokémon that are related in one way or another makes it too obvious. Again, notability is subjective and this is ''my'' opinion. Many Pokémon have similar stats but different individual values, 48 or 109 by your count, so it's nothing special and it doesn't mean much. It may be common, but it's '''too''' common, making it '''too''' obvious. Of the Pokémon that you've listed in the latter half of your argument, Turtonator/Drampa are the only one that should mention stat differences - only because it's not the point of the trivia. The point of their trivia is to explain '''how''' and '''why''' they can be considered counterparts. Meganium/Venusaur and Hoppip/Fomantis shouldn't have it as they're not counterparts.
:*"Highest HP of a Steel type" is basic, to the point, and not overtly specific. It is also a fact. Yes, one can see that by looking at another page, but that's one step too many when you can just go to the article of the Pokémon without having to surf through a list. Yes, the trivia you proposed is obscure, but it's too obscure and minor.
:*Eh, I'm okay with it being removed, but decided to keep it to see if someone else thought it had become unnotable.
:*Mewtwo/Ho-oh and Giratina/Reshiram are '''legendaries''', not counterparts. It's obvious that a specific grouping of Pokémon are going to have similar stats. Gloom/Porygon are just two random Pokémon that have similar stats and fall into the "many other Pokémon have similar stats" rule.
:*Sometimes, these complex relationships are just too obvious too identify because the parties of this complex relationship are part of a specific grouping, and as I've said before, it's obvious that legendaries are going to have similar stats.
:*As I mentioned earlier, the trivia policy is ever changing, it's going to be updated constantly until users and staff can come to an agreeable conclusion. So if you have a proposal for trivia notability, you can always bring it up and the staff will make a decision. Stat trivia have been discussed before, back in 2012, and I believe that the decision to make clear cut stat trivia (i.e. highest/lowest stat) the only thing notable. I may have to go back and look, or revisit stat trivia as a whole, as that decision was made five years ago and opinions can change.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:52, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

== Hyperlinks ==

Thanks for the advice; I couldn't find any rules or guidelines on hyperlinks, so I was stumped on what to link and what not to link.--[[User:RedHailfire|RedHailfire]] ([[User talk:RedHailfire|talk]]) 16:26, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

==More Cast lists==
Received more cast lists from Lisa Ortiz for Sun and Moon, sent you screenshots from the email, do I have approval--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:29, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
:Looks to me like they are the cast lists for SM002 and SM003.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 13:38, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::Those are fine by me. Feel free to add them in.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:36, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

== Is April Fools Day vandalism okay here? ==

Some wikis like [https://www.ssbwiki.com/Main_Page ssbwiki] allow vandalism on April 1st. What about this site? {{unsigned|Unowninator}}
:By normal users? No. The staff usually plan an April Fools prank, but we don't allow normal users to do so.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:16, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
::Damn. Okay well, thanks for answering. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 04:23, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

== Meyer's Blaziken ==

Just wondering if it was about time that Meyer's Blaziken received a page of its own because it was featured a lot--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:27, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
:Apologies for the late reply. I'll bring it up with the other staff members to see what they think of it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:05, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

== Lillie Pokemon Template ==

Can the template for Lillie's Pokemon be made now? She has two Pokemon ([[Shiron]] and [[Nebby]]) that meet the requirement you wanted.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 23:22, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
:Could you please get back to me on this?--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 14:46, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
::I'll bring it up with the other staff member for consideration.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:35, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

== Poké Ride on anime trainer templates ==

Apparently you've made the decsion that ride Pokemon should not go on the Ash's Pokémon template, which is fine; mI'm not going to argue that either way. However I'd like to point out that the templates for Mallow, Kiawe and the other Sun and Moon characters have Poké Ride Pokémon on their templates. Obviously, it has to be one way or the other so I'm here asking for a definative answer. [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 13:33, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
:This is something we're discussing, in tandem with other things. I'll give them a nudge about where we stand on this.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:35, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

== The 3rd Sun & Moon TCG Expansion ==

If it's okay with you, I have made a page about [[To Have Seen the Battle Rainbow/Darkness that Consumes Light (TCG)|To Have Seen The Battle Rainbow/Darkness That Consumes Light]]. There was a picture with the card packs, with one featuring [[Ho-Oh]], the other featuring [[Necrozma]]. It also shows the release date for its debut in Japan, along with the number 150. I'm not sure if that's the total amount of the cards in the set.

Also, I saw said picture online.Hamfart 17:12, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
:FWIW, Hamfart, you would probably be better served by discussing TCG-related things with {{u|Maverick Nate}}, as he's our [[Bulbapedia:Staff|Head of TCG]] and therefore has final say on these kinds of things. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:15, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

== Quick question ==

Just curious, do you happen to have a copy of the emails I sent you with screenshots of the cast for [[M18]] and [[XY092]]?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:05, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
:Yes, I still have them. Do you need them?--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:35, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
::I do, Would you mind sending them to me, having lost the email I received them with, I like to keep copies--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 06:02, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
:::It appears I'm unable to send you an email. Are you aware of the public bulbagarden discord, btw? I'm on there most of the time and you can send me a private message there if you want a quicker response.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:43, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
::::Any chance of you PMing it to me through the forums here on Bulbapedia?--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:49, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
:::::If you jave an account on the forums, I can do that as well.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:50, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
::::::For some reason I am unable to start a conversation with you, I have the same account name on the forums as I do on here--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 14:54, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I've sent it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:05, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks, hope to receive more cast lists soon--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:09, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

== Firebreather ==

Why is it unneeded?[[User:Horton Hears a murder|Horton Hears a murder]] ([[User talk:Horton Hears a murder|talk]]) 14:50, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

== Ironic ==

It not ironic tht corsla ca div as div is a mov an pokemon ca div without knwin th mve in othr meda.[[User:Horton Hears a murder|Horton Hears a murder]] ([[User talk:Horton Hears a murder|talk]]) 14:53, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

== Tauros ==

Wht similar is constelTION TO TAUROS?[[User:Horton Hears a murder|Horton Hears a murder]] ([[User talk:Horton Hears a murder|talk]]) 15:08, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

== Edit warring ==

Pls stp reverting tht and "Do not misrepresent rumors, misconceptions or opinions as fact"[[User:Horton Hears a murder|Horton Hears a murder]] ([[User talk:Horton Hears a murder|talk]]) 15:14, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

== Spritebox/7 should be made by now. ==

I'm just throwing it out there, since sprites like [[File:Spr 7s 103A.png]] and [[File:Spr 7s 745.png]] have been uploaded. When will it be made?--Hamfart 13:57, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
:I second this - every sprite for every Pokémon and form, back and front, regular and shiny, has been uploaded (I think that's more than even Gen VI can say, actually), and several users have made their own version of Spritebox/7 templates. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 15:32, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
::I once made one, but ForceFire deleted it, due to me not being a member of the Bulbapedia Staff.--Hamfart 20:47, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

:::That reminds me. Should I make one for Zygarde, if it's okay?--Hamfart 15:39, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
::::Hamfart, Celadonkey, the sprite boxes will be made when it gets made, have patience.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:32, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, but I hesitated on Minior's page. I couldn't take it!--[[User:Hamfart|Hamfart]] 16:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
::::::If you are impatient and "can't handle it", go find something else to do while the staff gets the template up. Don't be brash and just make the changes. If I see you being impatient again, I won't be so lenient.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:23, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

==WTP SM004==

Got a screenshot from First Catch in Alola, Ketchum-style! of Who's that Pokemon
[url=https://postimg.org/image/x852r5yd9/][img]https://s30.postimg.org/x852r5yd9/WTP_SM004.png[/img][/url]--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 09:34, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:53, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, with the UK getting 4 new episodes next week, 3 before Canada I may screenshot from Iplayer and post it here for you to add--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:02, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

==Regarding Gladion's page==

About the edit I have made, you said that just because he was seen holding a Cleffa doesn't mean it is his. However on Lillie's page, it is seen that she was holding a Lillipup as well as the description saying that is may not even be hers. To maintain consistency should Lillie's page be modified or should the description for Gladion be re-added under "Status Unknown"? [[User:Nikuriku|Nikuriku]] ([[User talk:Nikuriku|talk]]) 02:18, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
:It should be removed from Lillie's page as well.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:52, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

== I'd like to upload a couple of images. ==

Hey there! I'm adding a bunch of so far undocumented information to the [[Character encoding in Generation III]] page, and there are a few characters that can't be represented with Unicode. I figured I'd upload the characters (15 tiny ~8x16 PNGs) to the Archives, as has already been done for a few, but as it turns out I can't upload images since I'm not auto-confirmed on the archives. Seeing as I'm auto-confirmed here, though, is there perhaps a way to arrange so I can upload them and add them to the article? Cheers. [[User:LpSamuelm|LpSamuelm]] ([[User talk:LpSamuelm|talk]]) 16:51, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

==Images for Bulbapedia==
Screenshots several images from M19 for possible use on Bulbapedia, any chance you could convert them please? {{Unsigned|BigDocFan}}
:https://s11.postimg.org/yyv4tntj3/Amaura_M19.png
:https://s7.postimg.org/x4bj80t2f/Nebel_Plataeu_Pokemon.png
:https://s7.postimg.org/cux5ct8qv/Espurr_M19.png

::Where would these images be used, first of all.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 11:54, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
:::Was thinking they could be used in [[Nebel Plateau]] to replace the Espurr, Amaura, Kirlia, Mincinno and Wormadam as they use the customary image.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 12:02, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
::::Ah, I see. The images are pretty small, is there a way you can make them bigger (preferably the same size as the any other anime picture).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:13, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
::::No wait, never mind.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:15, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
:::::Got a screenshot of WTP for SS036 here, [url=https://postimg.org/image/okxaosxe5/][img]https://s14.postimg.org/okxaosxe5/SS037_WTP.png[/img][/url]--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 20:05, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

==Who's That Pokemon Screenshots==
With the UK getting episodes before Canada, thought I would post screenshots of Who's that Pokemon here for you
https://s23.postimg.org/ep9cout7b/WTP_SM006.png--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 08:21, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

== Sm025 moves ==

So explain to me why the totem Pokemon doesn't have Bite or Hyper Beam? I can see that you're following the "no one said anything despite it being obvious so we are just going to ignore it" logic but you have a page that even says Hyper Beam is not to be questioned. Do the rules just not exist for admins? We even saw Bite not even 5 episodes ago and it worked just the same as this time. Isn't the wiki to add and contribute information, not shun it because its not spoon feed to us?--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 12:24, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
:Bite could've been {{m|Crunch}}... it's not that hard. The "Hyper Beam" didn't look like Hyper Beam, yellow-ish beam rather than a red or orange beam, it could've been any other beam moves. Also, we send messages to the talk pages of the users that added the information, not on the talk page of the article in dispute. Sending the message directly to the user is more effective, even if there's a good chance that they're not going to read it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 12:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
So we really aren't going to say it's Hyper Beam because the move was a little lighter than you want it? This site is going to end up missing so much information because of views like this.--[[User:Pikablu|Pikablu]] ([[User talk:Pikablu|talk]]) 13:50, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
:It does not match the previous animation, so no. Unless Hyper Beam gets called out in a future episode and it shares that exact animation and color, we'll assume Hyper Beam's animation has the same as the previous series.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 14:11, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

== Your reverted edit on my edit to necrozma's trivia ==

I think your given reason is invalid, as Necrozma is stated to resemble the Ultra Beasts and appears to have some kind of relationship with them. Necrozma also appears to have some kind of relationship with the Cosmog line, and furthermore, this common trait cannot be a simple coincidence, as there are not that many prime numbers and most Pokemon have base stats that are not prime, with many (particularly Pokemon with BSTs of 600 and 680) having only base stats in multiples of 5, and most Pokemon learning level-up moves at non-prime levels (Cosmog and Cosmoem even evolve at prime number levels, so that line is definitely associated with prime numbers). Why is a non-coincidental common trait with a group of Pokemon it resembles and is somehow related to not notable? (it's also an interesting trait) [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 15:10, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Solgaleo (Pokémon)

2017-05-07T14:32:05Z

PartHunter: /* Trivia */ Again, if it's notable on Ultra Beast it's notable here.

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'''Solgaleo''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ソルガレオ''' ''Solgaleo'') is a dual-type {{2t|Psychic|Steel}} [[Legendary Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation VII]].

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Cosmoem}} when [[level]]ed up in {{pkmn|Sun and Moon|Pokémon Sun}} starting at level 53. It is one of {{p|Cosmog}}'s final forms, the other being {{p|Lunala}}.

Solgaleo takes a special form called the Radiant Sun phase when it uses {{m|Sunsteel Strike}}.

Along with {{p|Lunala}}, it was initially shown, without a name or any data, in May 2016, but information on it was officially revealed on June 2, 2016.

Solgaleo is a member of the [[cosmic duo]] with {{p|Lunala}}.

Solgaleo is the [[game mascot]] of {{pkmn|Sun and Moon|Pokémon Sun}}, appearing on the boxart.

==Biology==
Solgaleo is a large, white Pokémon resembling a white lion. It has a blunt muzzle with a blue-gray nose and pale blue eyes. The top half of its face is a deep blue area that shows a constantly changing starscape. Four yellow spikes frame Solgaleo's head like a crown and two more pairs of spikes adorn either side of its lower jaw, and each spike separates large tufts of Solgaleo's mane. Solid ridges—red nearest Solgaleo's head and yellow farther away—poke out of each tuft along the middle, except on the tufts on its cheeks and chin, with the topmost part wrapping around the tip of the tuft. Overall, its mane creates the impression of a stylized sun. Around each leg is a dark orange band, and there is a black spot on each foot. It has three black toes on each foot with long yellow claws. At the tip of its tail is a large black spot with a thin yellow rim.

When Solgaleo enters its Radiant Sun phase, its {{wp|third eye}} appears on its forehead—a light blue symbol similar to a compass rose—and the starscape turns to streaks of light. The fur on its body glows a pale yellow and all other parts of its body except its nose turn bright yellow.

Known as the "beast that devours the sun," Solgaleo has long been honored as an emissary of the sun. Its body is capable of holding a vast amount of energy and glows when active.<ref>http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/solgaleo/</ref> Solgaleo can create [[Ultra Wormhole]]s to travel to and from [[Ultra Space]]. Solgaleo along with its counterpart {{p|Lunala}} can create {{p|Cosmog}}.

Solgaleo is the [[signature move|only known Pokémon]] capable of learning the move {{m|Sunsteel Strike}}.


==In the TCG==
{{main|Solgaleo (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=Psychic|type2=Steel}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=VII}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Sun|entry=It is said to live in another world. The intense light it radiates from the surface of its body can make the darkest of nights light up like midday.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Moon|entry=This Pokémon is said to be a male evolution of Cosmog. At the activation of its third eye, it departs for another world.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=Psychic|type2=Steel}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=VII}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Sun|area=[[Altar of the Sunne]] ([[List of in-game event Pokémon in Generation VII#Solgaleo|only one]])}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|1|v=Moon}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

====In side games====

===Held items===
===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{Stats
|type=Psychic
|type2=Steel
|HP=137
|Attack=137
|Defense=107
|SpAtk=113
|SpDef=89
|Speed=97}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Psychic
|type2=Steel
|Normal=50
|Fighting=100
|Flying=50
|Poison=0
|Ground=200
|Rock=50
|Bug=100
|Ghost=200
|Steel=50
|Fire=200
|Water=100
|Grass=50
|Electric=100
|Psychic=25
|Ice=50
|Dragon=50
|Dark=200
|Fairy=50
|notes=yes
|steel=yes
|newpoison=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/7|Solgaleo|Psychic|Steel|7}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Sunsteel Strike|Steel|Physical|100|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Cosmic Power|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Wake-Up Slap|Fighting|Physical|70|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Teleport|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Metal Claw|Steel|Physical|50|95|35||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|{{tt|Evo.|Learned upon evolving}}|Sunsteel Strike|Steel|Physical|100|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|7|Iron Head|Steel|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|13|Metal Sound|Steel|Status|—|85|40}}
{{learnlist/level7|19|Zen Headbutt|Psychic|Physical|80|90|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|23|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|31|Morning Sun|Normal|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level7|37|Crunch|Dark|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level7|43|Metal Burst|Steel|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|47|Solar Beam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|59|Noble Roar|Normal|Status|—|100|30}}
{{learnlist/level7|61|Flare Blitz|Fire|Physical|120|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level7|67|Wide Guard|Rock|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|73|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/levelf/7|Solgaleo|Psychic|Steel|7}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/7|Solgaleo|Psychic|Steel|7}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM01|Work Up|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM03|Psyshock|Psychic|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM05|Roar|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM22|Solar Beam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM35|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM38|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|110|85|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM43|Flame Charge|Fire|Physical|50|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|90|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM74|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|85|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM92|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM93|Wild Charge|Electric|Physical|90|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM95|Snarl|Dark|Special|55|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tmf/7|Solgaleo|Psychic|Steel|7}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{Learnlist/breedh/7|Solgaleo|Psychic|Steel|7}}
{{Learnlist/breed7null}}
{{Learnlist/breedf/7|Solgaleo|Psychic|Steel|7}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/7|Solgaleo|Psychic|Steel|7}}
{{learnlist/tutor7null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/7|Solgaleo|Psychic|Steel|7}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh/7|Solgaleo|Psychic|Steel|7}}
{{learnlist/prevo7|789|Cosmog|||||Splash|Normal|Status|—|—|40}}
{{learnlist/prevof/7|Solgaleo|Psychic|Steel|7}}


===Evolution===
{{Evobox-3
|type1=Psychic
|type2=Steel
|no1=789
|name1=Cosmog
|type1-1=Psychic
|evo1={{bag|Rare Candy}} {{color2|000|Level|Level 43}}
|no2=790
|name2=Cosmoem
|type1-2=Psychic
|evo2={{bag|Rare Candy}} [[File:Pokémon Sun logo.png|50px|link=Pokémon Sun and Moon]] {{color2|000|Level|Level 53}} in {{color2|000|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Pokémon Sun}}
|no3=791
|name3=Solgaleo
|type1-3=Psychic
|type2-3=Steel}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=Psychic|type2=Steel}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=VII}}
{{Spritebox/7/2Forms|ndex=791|form1=R}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|791|Solgaleo}}

==Trivia==
* Solgaleo has the highest base {{stat|HP}} of all {{type|Steel}} Pokémon.
* Solgaleo and its counterpart Lunala are the only Legendary version mascots of a generation's primary pair of games with a base stat under 90. In Solgaleo's case, this is its {{stat|Special Defense}}.
* The [[base stats]] of Solgaleo, and the levels at which it learns moves (except level 1) are all {{wp|prime number}}s. It shares this trait with {{p|Cosmog}}, its other evolutions, the [[Ultra Beast]]s, and {{p|Necrozma}}.
===Origin===
Solgaleo is based on {{wp|Lion and Sun|a lion with a sun motif}}, a fairly common motif in many Western and Middle-Eastern cultures. In particular Solgaleo might reference the {{wp|Suns in alchemy|alchemical lion}}, being described as "devouring the sun", as well as connected to metals via its Steel-type. Finally, being the emissary rather than personification of the sun as well as being able to pass through different dimensions, Solgaleo might lend some inspiration from the {{wp|eye of Ra}}, a goddess usually described as a lion that is the sun's protector in Egyptian mythology as it travels through the underworld.

====Name origin====
Solgaleo may be a combination of ''sol'' (Latin for sun) and ''leo'' (Latin for lion). It may also incorporate ''{{wp|Galileo_Galilei|Galileo}}'', an Italian astronomer who presented evidence that the Earth rotated around the Sun and advocated {{wp|Copernican heliocentrism}}.

Solgaleo's verbal cry in Pokémon Sun, "La-liona", is based on the words ''lā'' (Hawaiian for ''sun'') and ''liona'' (Hawaiian for ''lion'').

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=Psychic|type2=Steel
|ja=ソルガレオ ''Solgaleo'' |jameaning=From ''{{tt|sol|Latin root for sun}}'' and ''leo''.
|de=Solgaleo|demeaning=Same as English name
|fr=Solgaleo|frmeaning=Same as English name
|es=Solgaleo|esmeaning=Same as English name
|it=Solgaleo|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=솔가레오 ''Solgaleo''|komeaning=Transliteration of its Japanese name
|zh_yue=索爾迦雷歐 ''Sokyíhgālèuihāu''|zh_yuemeaning=Mandarin-based transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=索爾迦雷歐 / 索尔迦雷欧 ''Suǒ'ěrjiāléi'ōu''|zh_cmnmeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|ru=Солгалео ''Solgaleo''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name
}}
{{-}}

''Radiant Sun phase''
{{langtable|color={{psychic color}}|bordercolor={{steel color dark}}
|zh_yue=旭日狀態 ''Yūkyaht johngtaai''
|zh_cmn=旭日狀態 / 旭日状态 ''Xùrì zhuàngtài''
|ja=ライジングフェーズ ''Rising phase''
|fr=Phase Soleil Levant
|de=Sonnenaufgangsphase
|it=Fase sole nascente
|ko=라이징페이즈 ''Rising phase''
|ru=Фаза Бристательное ''Faza Bristatel'noye''
|es=Fase Sol Ascendente
}}
{{-}}

==Related articles==
* [[Nebby]]

==Notes==
<references />

==External links==
{{Legendary Pokémon}}
{{-}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Psychic|type2=Steel}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Psychic|prevnum=790|prev=Cosmoem|nextnum=792|next=Lunala}}
|}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Alola legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Game mascots]]
[[Category:Legendary Pokémon obtainable before the Elite Four]]

[[de:Solgaleo]]
[[fr:Solgaleo]]
[[it:Solgaleo]]
[[ja:ソルガレオ]]
[[pl:Solgaleo]]
[[zh:索尔迦雷欧]]

Necrozma (Pokémon)

2017-05-07T14:20:56Z

PartHunter: /* Trivia */ If this is notable on the page of Ultra Beasts, it is notable here as well.

{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Psychic}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Psychic|prevnum=799|prev=Guzzlord|nextnum=801|next=Magearna}}
|}
{{Pokémon Infobox
|name=Necrozma
|jname=ネクロズマ
|jtranslit=Nekurozuma
|tmname=Necrozma
|ndex=800
|type1=Psychic
|category=Prism
|height-ftin=7'10"
|height-m=2.4
|weight-lbs=507.1
|weight-kg=230.0
|adex=300
|abilitylayout=1
|ability1=Prism Armor
|egggroupn=0
|egggroup1=Undiscovered
|eggcycles=120
|evtotal=3
|evat=1
|evsa=2
|expyield=120
|lv100exp=1,250,000
|gendercode=255
|color=Black
|catchrate=3
|body=04
|pokefordex=necrozma
|generation=7
|friendship=0
}}
'''Necrozma''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ネクロズマ''' ''Necrozma'') is a {{type|Psychic}} [[Legendary Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation VII]].

It is not known to [[Evolution|evolve]] into or from any other Pokémon.

==Biology==
Necrozma is a Pokémon whose body appears to be constructed out of black crystalline material; its disproportionately large arms have three claws jutting out of them, as well as a single large whitish crystal protruding backwards from each arm. Its small legs bend backwards like a bird's and have three toes each. However, it does not seem to use them as it can naturally levitate through unknown methods. A single wing grows out of each of its shoulders, which resembles a hook. The large protrusion attached to its head is its tail, which is white in the back with a dark gray symbol resembling a star in the center. This part of the tail absorbs light that it converts to lasers, and glows when it does. The sides of its head and the top of its tail are covered in spikes, and its face possesses a collection of multicolored shapes.

Necrozma was discovered dwelling deep underground, where it had been asleep for ages. Due to the peculiar nature of its body, the power it wields, and the rumors that it came from another world in the distant past, it is speculated that it may be related to the [[Ultra Beast]]s, if it is not actually one itself; however, the International Police have no records of it ever emerging from an Ultra Wormhole so its classification is still uncertain. Despite being pitch-black, it constantly refracts light like a prism. Light acts as the source of its energy, and it can concentrate this light to perform its signature move, {{m|Prismatic Laser}}. When it absorbs light, its face glows white<ref>[[Pokémon Sun & Pokémon Moon: The Official Alola Region Pokédex & Postgame Adventure Guide]]</ref>. It is known to be incredibly vicious, firing off laser beams at anything around it.


==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=Psychic}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=VII}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Sun|entry=Reminiscent of the Ultra Beasts, this life-form, apparently asleep underground, is thought to have come from another world in ancient times.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Moon|entry=Light is apparently the source of its energy. It has an extraordinarily vicious disposition and is constantly firing off laser beams.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=Psychic}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=VII}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Sun|v2=Moon|area=[[Ten Carat Hill]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

====In side games====

===Held items===
===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{Stats
|type=Psychic
|HP=97
|Attack=107
|Defense=101
|SpAtk=127
|SpDef=89
|Speed=79}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Psychic
|Normal=100
|Fighting=50
|Flying=100
|Poison=100
|Ground=100
|Rock=100
|Bug=150
|Ghost=150
|Steel=100
|Fire=100
|Water=100
|Grass=100
|Electric=100
|Psychic=50
|Ice=100
|Dragon=100
|Dark=150
|Fairy=100}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/7|Necrozma|Psychic|Psychic|7}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Moonlight|Fairy|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Morning Sun|Normal|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Mirror Shot|Steel|Special|65|85|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Metal Claw|Steel|Physical|50|95|35}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Confusion|Psychic|Special|50|100|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|7|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|13|Stored Power|Psychic|Special|20|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|19|Rock Blast|Rock|Physical|25|90|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|23|Night Slash|Dark|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level7|31|Gravity|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/level7|37|Psycho Cut|Psychic|Physical|70|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level7|43|Power Gem|Rock|Special|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|47|Autotomize|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level7|53|Stealth Rock|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|59|Iron Defense|Steel|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/level7|67|Wring Out|Normal|Special|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level7|73|Prismatic Laser|Psychic|Special|160|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/levelf/7|Necrozma|Psychic|Psychic|7}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/7|Necrozma|Psychic|Psychic|7}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM03|Psyshock|Psychic|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM22|Solar Beam|Grass|Special|120|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM26|Earthquake|Ground|Physical|100|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM31|Brick Break|Fighting|Physical|75|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|60|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|60|100|25}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM59|Brutal Swing|Dark|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM63|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM67|Smart Strike|Steel|Physical|70|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM69|Rock Polish|Rock|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|90|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM74|Gyro Ball|Steel|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM75|Swords Dance|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM78|Bulldoze|Ground|Physical|60|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM81|X-Scissor|Bug|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|85|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM92|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM97|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm7|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tmf/7|Necrozma|Psychic|Psychic|7}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{Learnlist/breedh/7|Necrozma|Psychic|Psychic|7}}
{{Learnlist/breed7null}}
{{Learnlist/breedf/7|Necrozma|Psychic|Psychic|7}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/7|Necrozma|Psychic|Psychic|7}}
{{learnlist/tutor7null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/7|Necrozma|Psychic|Psychic|7}}


===Evolution===
{{Evobox-1
|type1=Psychic
|pictype=art
|no1=800
|name1=Necrozma
|type1-1=Psychic}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=Psychic}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=VII}}
{{Spritebox/7|ndex=800}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|800|Necrozma}}

==Trivia==
* Necrozma shares its battle theme with {{p|Solgaleo}} and {{p|Lunala}}.
* The [[base stats]] of Necrozma, and the levels at which it learns moves (except level 1) are all {{wp|prime number}}s. It shares this trait with {{p|Cosmog}}, its evolutions, and the [[Ultra Beast]]s.

===Origin===
Necrozma could be based off the concept of {{wp|prisms}} and {{wp|light refraction}}. Given the first part of its name ("necro"), its black coloration, and the star symbol on the back of its head, it could also be based off a {{wp|black dwarf}} (which is a theoretical "dead star" that has ceased to emit light or heat), or given its ability to absorb light, it could also be based off a {{wp|black hole}} (which is formed from a collapsed star).

====Name origin====
Necrozma may be a combination of νεκρός ''nekrós'' (Ancient Greek for dead), 黒 ''kuro'' (black), and πρῖσμα ''prîsma'' (Ancient Greek for prism). It may also be based off of {{wp|Project Ozma}}, an experiment made to search for extraterrestrial life.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=Psychic|type2=Psychic
|ja=ネクロズマ ''Necrozma''|jameaning=From {{tt|νεκρός ''nekrós''|Ancient Greek for dead}}, {{tt|黒 ''kuro''|black}}, and {{tt|πρῖσμα ''prîsma''|Ancient Greek for prism}}
|fr=Necrozma|frmeaning=Same as English name
|es=Necrozma|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Necrozma|demeaning=Same as English name
|it=Necrozma|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=네크로즈마 ''Nekeurojeuma''|komeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_cmn=奈克洛茲瑪 / 奈克洛兹玛 ''Nàikèluòzīmǎ''|zh_cmnmeaning=Transliteration of Japanese name
|zh_yue=奈克洛茲瑪 ''Noihhāklokjīmá''|zh_yuemeaning=Mandarin-based transliteration of Japanese name
}}
{{-}}

==Related articles==

==Notes==
<references/>

==External links==
{{Legendary Pokémon}}
{{-}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Psychic}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Psychic|prevnum=799|prev=Guzzlord|nextnum=801|next=Magearna}}
|}
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[[Category:Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Alola legendary Pokémon]]

[[de:Necrozma]]
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Acupressure (move)

2017-04-15T14:43:05Z

PartHunter: /* Effect */ add {{incomplete|section|By how much is the critical hit ratio boosted by Z-Acupressure?}} to the section

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{{MoveInfobox|
n=367 |
name=Acupressure |
jname=つぼをつく |
jtrans=Point Strike |
jtranslit=Tsubo o Tsuku|
gameimage=Acupressure VI.png |
gameimagewidth=300 |
type=Normal |
damagecategory=Status |
basepp=30 |
maxpp=48 |
power=— |
accuracy=— |
gen=IV |
category=Cool |
appealsc=0 |
scdesc=Earn double the score in the next turn. |
category6=Tough |
appeal6=1 |
jam6=0 |
cdesc6=Effectiveness varies depending on when it is used.|
pokefordex=acupressure |
touches=no |
protect=no |
magiccoat=no |
snatch=no |
mirrormove=no |
kingsrock=no |
flag7=yes |
flag8=no |
sound=no |
target=selfadjacentally |
footnotes= }}
'''Acupressure''' (Japanese: '''つぼをつく''' ''Point Strike'') is a non-damaging {{type|Normal}} [[move]] introduced in [[Generation IV]].

==Effect==
{{incomplete|section|By how much is the critical hit ratio boosted by Z-Acupressure?}}
===Generation IV===
Acupressure chooses one of the target's [[stats]] at random and raises it by two stages. It can raise either the target's {{stat|Attack}}, {{stat|Defense}}, {{stat|Special Attack}}, {{stat|Special Defense}}, {{stat|Speed}}, {{stat|accuracy}} or {{stat|evasion}} stat but will not attempt to raise a stat that is already maximized, meaning that the move will fail if all stats are maximized. Acupressure will also fail if the target is under the effects of {{m|Substitute}}.

In this generation only, Acupressure can be stolen by {{m|Snatch}}. The move will apply to the user of Snatch regardless of the move's original target.

===Generation V onwards===
Acupressure will no longer fail if the target is the user and the user is behind a substitute; it will still fail if targeting an ally behind a Substitute. Acupressure can no longer be stolen by Snatch.

If a Pokémon selected Acupressure as its move, but when executing the move it is in a different position (due to shifting in a [[Triple Battle]] or {{m|Ally Switch}}), Acupressure will be used on the Pokémon currently in the targeted position (even if the user targeted itself initially); however, if the user now targets itself but did not initially, Acupressure fails.

If the user's side of the field is protected by {{m|Crafty Shield}}, Acupressure will fail if executed on an ally but succeed if executed on the user.

If powered up by a {{DL|Z-Crystal|Normalium Z}} into Z-Acupressure, the user's [[critical hit]] rate is increased.

==Description==
{{movedesc|Normal}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev4|DPPtHGSS}}{{gameabbrevss|PBR}} {{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}}|The user applies pressure to stress points, sharply boosting one of its stats.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}} {{gameabbrev7|SM}}|The user applies pressure to stress points, sharply boosting one of its or its allies' stats.}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==Learnset==
===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{{Movehead/Level|Normal|4}}
{{Moveentry/4|084|Doduo|type=Normal|type2=Flying|1|Flying|Flying|28|28|28{{sup/6|XY}} 29{{sup/6|ORAS}}|33}}
{{Moveentry/4|085|Dodrio|type=Normal|type2=Flying|1|Flying|Flying|28|28|28{{sup/6|XY}} 29{{sup/6|ORAS}}|34}}
{{Moveentry/4|307|Meditite|type=Fighting|type2=Psychic|1|Human-Like|Human-Like||39|39{{sup/6|XY}} 33{{sup/6|ORAS}}|33}}
{{Moveentry/4|308|Medicham|type=Fighting|type2=Psychic|1|Human-Like|Human-Like||42|42{{sup/6|XY}} 33{{sup/6|ORAS}}|33}}
{{Moveentry/4|451|Skorupi|type=Poison|type2=Bug|2|Bug|Water 3|17|17{{sup/5|BW}} 13{{sup/5|B2W2}}|13|13}}
{{Moveentry/4|452|Drapion|type=Poison|type2=Dark|2|Bug|Water 3|17|17{{sup/5|BW}} 13{{sup/5|B2W2}}|13|13}}
{{Moveentry/4|556|Maractus|type=Grass|1|Grass|Grass||29|29|29}}
{{Movefoot|Normal|4}}

===By {{pkmn|breeding}}===
{{Movehead/Breed|Normal|4}}
{{Moveentry/4|072|Tentacool|type=Water|type2=Poison|1|Water 3|Water 3|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/4|213|Shuckle|type=Bug|type2=Rock|1|Bug|Bug|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/4|453|Croagunk|type=Poison|type2=Fighting|1|Human-Like|Human-Like||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/4|761|Bounsweet|type=Grass|1|Grass|Grass||||✔}}
{{Movefoot|Normal|4}}

===Special move===
====[[Generation V]]====
{{Movehead/Special|Normal}}
{{Moveentry/1|072|Tentacool|type=Water|type2=Poison|1|Water 3|Water 3|{{pkmn|Dream World}} - {{dwa|Sparkling Sea}}|}}
{{Movefoot|Normal|1}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{movemanga|type=normal|exp=yes|gen=The user stabs itself to improve its stats.|image1=Harry Skorupi Acupressure Adventures.png|image1p=Skorupi}}
{{movep|type=normal|ms=451|pkmn=Skorupi|method=Skorupi stabs its head with the pincers on its tail, raising one of its stats at random.}}
{{movebtm|type=normal|user=Team Rocket Elite Trio|user1=Harry's Skorupi|startcode=PS460|startname=All About Arceus IX|notes=Debut}}

==In other generations==
===Core series games===
{{Movegen|
type=normal|
genIV=Acupressure IV|
genV=Acupressure V
}}
===Spin-off series games===
{{Movegen|
type=Normal|
PBR=Acupressure PBR
}}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{normal color}}|bordercolor={{normal color light}}
|zh_yue=點穴 ''{{wp|Touch of Death|{{tt|Dímyuht|Pressure Point Strike}}}}''
|zh_cmn=點穴 / 点穴 ''{{wp|Touch of Death|{{tt|Diǎnxué|Pressure Point Strike}}}}''
|fr=Acupression
|de=Akupressur
|el=Πιεσοθεραπεία
|it=Acupressione
|ko=경혈찌르기 ''Gyeonghyeol Jjireugi''
|pt_br=Acupuntura
|es=Acupresión
|sr=Akupritisak}}

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[[Category:Moves that can raise the user's Speed]]
[[Category:Moves that can raise the user's evasion]]
[[Category:Moves that can raise the user's accuracy]]
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[[Category:Moves that can raise the target's Defense]]
[[Category:Moves that can raise the target's Special Attack]]
[[Category:Moves that can raise the target's Special Defense]]
[[Category:Moves that can raise the target's Speed]]
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User talk:Pumpkinking0192/Archive 6

2017-04-12T11:40:47Z

PartHunter: /* Trivia on Pokemon Sun and Moon */

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Please leave your message by creating a new section below. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:55, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

== Burmy ==

I should've explained myself better, but that's quite hard in the edit box! My intention was not "wormy" as in "worm-like", but as in "infested with and home of a worm". Wormy could also mean weak and untrustworthy (as in Burmy being the first stage of evolution, and weak), but I imagine it as in Burmy burrowing into nearby materials to create a cloak. I will to defer to you though, as I do not intend an edit war, and these name origin sections are quite subjective also, so my opinion does not automatically trump yours.
While we are at it though, do you know what is meant by "brr" or "burr"? I imagine "brr" is because it wears a cloak so that it doesn't get cold, but that might be stretching the name origin thing. As for "burr", I don't know... it is not made of metal, and as far as I can tell, it is not known to stick to passersby, like the velcro burdock plant. With that one I feel like I'm missing something... -[[User:Uncleben85|Uncleben85]] ([[User talk:Uncleben85|talk]]) 06:28, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not really convinced by either "infested with worms," "home of a worm," or "weak and untrustworthy." I prefer to err on the side of excluding tenuous origins. For that matter, I don't really like "brr" or "burr" either, so I wouldn't argue if you wanted to get rid of them — I left them mostly out of inertia. As for what's meant by them, the talk page has some discussion, [[Talk:Burmy#Brr, Bur and Burr|including in this section]]. I don't find the arguments there very convincing, but it is what it is. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 07:05, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks Pumpkinking. I'll make a section on the Talk page and see what sort of consensus there is. -[[User:Uncleben85|Uncleben85]] ([[User talk:Uncleben85|talk]]) 07:11, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

== Replied ==

No disruption intended. I left a response on the page to reach consensus. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 01:33, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
:Last comment at [[Talk:Petrel]]. Likewise, I have one at [[Talk:Archer]]. I intend to leave the matter here but would still like some advice and opinion from a senior editor. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 02:14, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks for being understanding and discussing. I should clear things up, though: I'm not a {{bp|staff|staff member}}, so if you want an end-all be-all final answer, I'm not the person to approach. I can only give my opinion as a fellow rank-and-file editor. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 02:25, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

== Controversy ==

What do you mean do your own research. You can't just say that of course it needs sourcing.[[User:Sly Fox|Sly Fox]] ([[User talk:Sly Fox|talk]]) 17:56, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
:Bulbapedia is a wiki about Pokemon-related topics. If you want stringent sourcing about swastikas, you can go to the Wikipedia page for {{wp|swastika}}s and look at those sources. It's not part of our purview. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:05, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

== Just letting you know... ==

According to [[User:Force_Fire/Trivia_Policy/Species|trivia policy]], ties are notable, as long as there are only two Pokemon involved in the tie. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 19:59, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:I didn't see that and I don't know when it was changed, but it used to be that ties flat-out disqualified a point. I disagree with the change. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
::That's fine that you disagree with the change, but that's how it is. I'm putting the trivia about Mew and Muk that Thorin added back up. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 20:06, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

== Heatmor ==

I am pretty sure that images, depictions, and/or pictures do count as minor appearances. In Mew's page, two minor appearances are images. One appearance is a picture of Mew in a magazine, and another appearance is an image of Mew on a computer screen. I think the appearance of Heatmor as a picture does count if Mew's picture appearances count as well. {{unsigned|RedHailfire}}

== Comprised of ==

FYI, this has been discussed. For example, [[User talk:Ratchet and Clank 1995#Comprised of]]. I don't know if you ever noticed. But the wording you're "fixing" is exactly what was deemed OK. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:44, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
:What was agreed was flat-out wrong. See, for example, [http://grammarist.com/usage/compose-comprise/ here], [http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/comprise-versus-compose here], or [http://www.businesswritingblog.com/business_writing/2015/01/comprised-of-vs-composed-of-a-test.html here], which generally agree that although the "comprised of" usage is prevalent, it's not correct and should be avoided by writers who know the difference. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:52, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
::At best, though, I think it is a difference that has been much mixed up. If you have to be "careful", that just sounds like {{wp|Linguistic prescription|prescriptivism}} to me, which I don't generally have a lot of patience for. Language evolves. There are some things where you can draw a clear enough right and wrong; but that's not this. It was previously decided that, for BP, it would be okay, so unless you want to appeal that and hope for a reversal, that's what we'll stick by. I'll intend to undo your edits in the near future on that basis. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:03, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Prescriptivism is how respected sources remain respected. I'm all for descriptivism in casual use, but books, newspapers, ''encyclopedias'', etc. need to be prescriptive if they want to be seen as authorities. People don't respect the content itself when the presentation has errors.
:::And yes, I absolutely want to appeal the ruling. Based on that talk discussion, it looks like you and Force Fire decided what you decided before any discussion had occurred, so I strongly feel the ruling wasn't properly arrived at. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:13, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
::::When prescriptivist thinking gets you people who think that something like "up with which I will not put" is 'good', I can't honestly respect it overall. There are a lot of "prescriptions" that can just get in the way of effective writing.
::::You may know it, but if you want to appeal it, you should pick someone on {{bp|staff}} at a higher rank than Force Fire and bring the issue up to them. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:30, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::Way to put words in my mouth. "Comprises" and "up with which I will not put" are orders of magnitude in difference, and I never argued anything resembling approval of the latter. Good job shutting down discussion by creating a strawman. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:36, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::I've notified SnorlaxMonster on his talk page asking for mediation. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:42, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::You said that following prescriptivism makes something respected. I explained why I don't respect prescriptivism. Yeah, it's a big difference. But I wasn't comparing or contrasting. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:01, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

{{indent}}Just to be clear, I am absolutely fine with people wanting to replace "comprised of" '''if''' they are changing the whole paragraph or sentence. If they are changing solely to remove "comprised of" (like Ratchet), then that's a problem. "Comprised of" is acceptable and is not a grammar error.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:47, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

== "Skarmpexey" ==
Remember that "Skarmpexey" thing I added to the Metagame terminology page and you deleted it because I was "an unreliable source of information"? Well, I actually got that straight from the Mudsdale's mouth, excuse my pun. That info actually came from Nintendo itself (from the PGL page). See here:

"Another of the top teams featured a very defensive strategy, but stop us if you’ve heard this one already. You may remember one of the top teams in the Battle of Alola included the combination of Skarmory, Toxapex, and Blissey. In the Battle of Alola, the same Trainer once again finished near the top of the field, this time combining Skarmory, Toxapex, and Blissey’s previous evolution, Chansey. While none of these Pokémon are heavy hitters, they could slowly deal damage with Toxic, Toxic Spikes, and Stealth Rock while using Recover, Roost, and Soft-Boiled to stay healthy. These Pokémon were joined by a Tapu Bulu that knew both Leech Seed and Substitute, a tricky Pokémon to take down for opponents using similarly defensive teams."

(Nintendo, PGL. "A Look Back at the Alola Friendly.")

So it basically is a SkarmBliss setup with a Toxapex with Recover combined with a Subseeder Tapu Bulu. ([[User:PlatinumPokenut|PlatinumPokenut]] ([[User talk:PlatinumPokenut|talk]]) 13:32, 5 March 2017 (UTC))
:Nowhere in there does it use the word "Skarmpexey". You made that up. ''That'''s what I was saying. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:15, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

== A bit late, but... ==

Why did you delete my origin for Nihilego? Nihil (nothing) + ego (refers to Freud's psychological ego, which is the rational decision making part of the psyche) refers to how Nihil has no ego, and only has an id (the survival and instinctual part of the psyche, which obviously relates to Nihilego. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:12, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:Ah, I misinterpreted what you wrote. The previous name origin was structured as "[ nihil (nothing) + ego (I) ] or ego (psyche)", so I had that on my brain and didn't realize yours was intended to be structured as "nihil (nothing) + [ ego (I) or ego (psyche) ]". Because of this, I didn't realize you meant "nihil (nothing) + ego (psyche) = only an id"; I took it simply as "ego (psyche) = close enough to id". Yeah, that was my bad. If you change it back, though, can you try to make the structure clearer? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:00, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
::Yeah, sure. These things happen and I should've worded it better. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 16:32, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

== Rowlet is Moses ==

Why do you keep removing a clear reference to a famous literary work?!--[[User:Arisboch|Arisboch]] ([[User talk:Arisboch|talk]]) 19:44, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:I have only removed it once, and I removed it only to enforce our policy against edit warring. When I asked you to discuss it, I meant discuss it with the person who originally removed it. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:45, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
::OK, if you want to be a stickler for rules, I'm gonna ask him/her.--[[User:Arisboch|Arisboch]] ([[User talk:Arisboch|talk]]) 19:49, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

== Why did you remove the edit I made to Event? ==

Munchlax is obtainable through an event, as I got my munchlax with a Snorlaxium Z, through an event, so why removing it?

[[User:Adrizz|Adrizz]] ([[User talk:Adrizz|talk]]) 21:13, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
:I did not; {{u|Glik}} did. You may want to be more careful about whom you're complaining to.
:Either way, Glik's edit was warranted, since that page is for event-''exclusives'', and Munchlax is not event-exclusive. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:05, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

== Unova ==

My apologies, but I did not quite understand why the part about the new cities and routes were "This section is not about out-of-universe accessibility, it's about actual in-universe changes to the landscape that happened within the game world." I understand why you took out the part with the Giant Chasm accessibility, but what about the part with the new cities and routes? Did you mean the section was to include natural occurrences such as the landslides on Route 10 and the Challenger's Cave as opposed to man-made changes? If you meant that, then why is the mention of the Riches villa demolition still there? I mean no disrespect and I don't want to start an argument, I just want to understand, because I'm a bit confused. [[User:IUPLC|IUPLC]] ([[User talk:IUPLC|talk]]) 19:00, 13 March 2017 (UTC)IUPLC
:Everything else in the section — the Riches' villa's demolition, the landslides, etc. — actually changed in-universe from BW to B2W2. On the other hand, things like southwest Unova and Humilau City would clearly have still existed in the game world even though they didn't appear in BW. Their addition in B2W2 is just a matter of the game developers deciding to add new areas, not a matter of several towns cropping up out of nowhere in the interim between games. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:20, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::I see. Thank you, that makes a lot of sense and is quite helpful to me. [[User:IUPLC|IUPLC]] ([[User talk:IUPLC|talk]]) 21:51, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

== Preview button ==
Oh. My bad. I was aware of the "edit this page" button, though. Some sections seem to be impossible without it. [[User:TheUltimateGamer|TheUltimateGamer]] ([[User talk:TheUltimateGamer|talk]]) 19:38, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

== Shuffle Mobile? ==

I can't test this. Do you have access to it? If so, I'd like to verify that the changed HP data indeed matches for Mobile, not just 3DS; Liepard (Stage 87) is the subject of my current test after I have already cleared Buneary.

Alternatively, if you know whether there are still datarips like the [http://pastebin.com/SyvD36ud good old days], if you have a link to the current ones for 3DS and Mobile that would be sensational. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 17:32, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
:I can confirm the HP has changed on mobile as well; I did a run of Buneary before updating the app and it matched the "old HP" column, and then I updated the app and did another run and it matched the "new HP" column.
:I believe pastebins are still happening, but I'm not sure where to find them. I'm sure someone in the [https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonShuffle/comments/61n81c/query_den_51_try_asking_your_question_in_here/ Query Den] would be able to provide a link. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 21:20, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
::I was given [https://pastebin.com/u/toshin this link]. Looks like not every version gets one now.
::I have done some partial updating, partly to make sure the data I put in at once is accurate and saved before adding more, but also because some of it I don't have yet. LOL New swappable skills (see I from [https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonShuffle/comments/63k36i/pokemon_shuffle_update_110_compiled_info/ here]) are in, though the RMLs and AP I haven't studied. II I have not touched, and don't remember if we actually recorded this before, but we probably should. III is not touched. IV has had its rows created and descriptions added, but I have not updated the language table or odds/multipliers yet (I am told we have them, they will be coming). V is done except for Liepard, the only one I'm wondering about for Mobile as both differed before; I can run a play on mine and see where the win occurs, too. I have not noted the later things anywhere yet. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 21:43, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

== Trivia on Pokemon Sun and Moon ==

I feel that it is notable, as events are limited time and can't be accessed by anyone after it ends, and so don't remove that you can only obtain one of each Apricorn Ball outside of going to a limited time event, like how Charizardite X and Y are version-exclusive outside events in X and Y, so they are considered version-exclusive, even though several events specifically gave the Charizardite from the other version, changing depending on what version you had. I'd refer to the Trivia Policy, but the one for games is incomplete. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 05:54, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
:There being only one of each ball is absolutely irrelevant to the trivium in the first place, though. When it was true, it was tenuously worth keeping because of its truth, but when you have to tack on exceptions to it, it becomes totally unnotable. To go with your Charizardite example, it'd be like having a trivium on the Pokemon X and Y page saying "These are the first games to introduce Mega Stones, some of which are version-exclusive, except through events." The whole bit about version exclusivity is totally irrelevant to the sentence, just like how the bit about the uniqueness of the Apricorn balls is totally irrelevant to the trivium it was tacked onto. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 15:07, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

::I feel that the limit of only one available is important enough to be notable, as they are essentially consumable items, so having only one of them is quite significant given that this kind of item is normally available in unlimited supply, and even extra Master Balls can be won. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 11:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

== "Setting up" evolution. ==

I meant [http://i.imgur.com/V0lgRZi.png this]. If a Pokemon can evolve, the dotted rectangle will appear under it, which allows to "setup" evolution [http://i.imgur.com/gA8NqgM.png in this manner]. A figure that is "set up" can be recognized during a match by having the dots appear in the quick summary of figure (ie. when clicked). I am not sure how to word it otherwise. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 00:02, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks. I did a little more research and reworded the sentence to try to express what I think is happening. Could you check on it and revert/revise if I'm wrong? Thanks! [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:23, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

User talk:Pumpkinking0192/Archive 6

2017-04-11T05:54:49Z

PartHunter: /* Trivia on Pokemon Sun and Moon */ new section

Pokémon Sun and Moon

2017-04-11T01:22:35Z

PartHunter: /* Trivia */ The bit about the Apricorn Balls is only true without events, so I added that to the page.

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'''Pokémon Sun''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターサン''' ''Pocket Monsters Sun'') and '''Pokémon Moon''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスタームーン''' ''Pocket Monsters Moon'') are the primary [[Core series|paired versions]] of [[Generation VII]] and are set in the [[Alola]] region. The games are available on the [[Nintendo 3DS]].

The games were announced worldwide on the {{pkmn|20th Anniversary}} of the release of {{game|Red and Green|s}}, February 27, 2016, at 12 am JST by [[Tsunekazu Ishihara]] through [[Nintendo Direct]]. The paired versions were released worldwide on November 18, 2016, except in Europe where they were released on November 23, 2016. All copies of the game are playable in nine languages: Japanese, English, German, Spanish, French, Italian, Korean, and Simplified and Traditional Chinese.

==Plot==
{{Spoilers}}
Unlike any other main games series, the game begins with a video call made by [[Professor Kukui]] to the {{player}}. Professor Kukui helps create a Trainer Passport for the player before the player and the mother move from [[Kanto]] to [[Alola]]. Meanwhile, at roughly the same time, [[Lillie|a young girl]] is seen escaping what seems to be a lab with {{p|Cosmog|an unidentified Pokémon}} in her bag. As she gets cornered by the workers in the area, the Pokémon teleports itself and the girl away from the lab and away from danger.

Three months later, the player, along with the mother and {{p|Meowth}}, are enjoying their new home on [[Melemele Island]] as Professor Kukui enters their home and takes the player to meet the [[Island Kahuna]] in [[Iki Town]] to get his/her [[starter Pokémon]]. As they reach Iki Town, the kahuna is nowhere to be found, so Kukui sends the player to the [[Mahalo Trail]] in hopes of finding the kahuna. On the trail, the player spots the girl that escaped the lab and follows her to the Plank Bridge.

The Pokémon that the girl was holding escapes her bag as they reach the Plank Bridge, happy about the new environment it is in. Suddenly, a flock of {{p|Spearow}} attack the defenseless Pokémon, leaving the girl worrying and asking the player to save her friend [[Nebby]]. Even as the player had no Pokémon to battle the Spearow, the player rushes in and guards Nebby from harm before Nebby uses its power to destroy the bridge. Before the player and Nebby fall to their doom, {{p|Tapu Koko}} flies through the Spearow and bring the pair back to safely. Thankful for rescuing Nebby, the girl gives the player a [[Sparkling Stone]] that appeared after Tapu Koko's departure.

The player and the girl then return to Iki Town and get greeted by Kukui. Kukui introduces the girl as his lab assistant, Lillie, before the Kahuna [[Hala]] returns from resolving a problem on the island. After Lillie explains the encounter she and the player had with Tapu Koko, Hala gets touched by the moment and gives the player the choice to choose {{p|Rowlet}}, {{p|Litten}}, or {{p|Popplio}} as their starter Pokémon. After a short ceremony with the player and the new Pokémon, Kukui gives the player a [[Pokédex]] and sends him/her to the mother to show off the new Pokémon.

Hala's grandson, [[Hau]], then appears in the town and challenges the player to a battle using the Pokémon that is weak to the player's starter. After the battle, Hala takes the player's sparkling stone and invites the player to a festival the following day. The next day, Kukui stops by the player's house again and takes him to {{rt|1|Alola}} so he can teach him/her how to catch Pokémon. Kukui then lets the player train before going to the festival.

At the festival, Hala and Kukui reveal that it is an event where Pokémon battles are held in honor of the [[Guardian deities|Guardian Pokémon]] in Alola. Hau and the player battle once again in honor of Tapu Koko, and this time the entire town watches, including Lillie, the player's mother and Meowth. After Tapu Koko approves of the battling, Hala returns the sparkling stone, which is now converted into a [[Z-Ring]]. Hala explains the Z-ring's powers and the [[Z-Crystal]]s that can only be acquired by participating in the [[island challenge]], where the player must travel to all four of Alola's islands to become the island challenge champion. Afterwards, the player then returns home to prepare for the next day.

The next day, Lillie visits the player and the two head to Kukui's lab. In the lab, Kukui upgrades the player's Pokédex into a [[Rotom Pokédex]] and explains more about the island challenge, which includes taking trials and getting recognized by each island Kahuna. Before taking any trials, the player must attend the [[Trainers' School]] to learn the basics of battling. Luckily, the player is able to take on the teacher's assignments and the player is able to take [[Trial Captain|Captain]] [[Ilima]]'s trial in [[Verdant Cavern]]. After beating the teacher in battle, Ilima invites the player to [[Hau'oli City]] after the player trains some more.

When the player meets up with Ilima, [[Team Skull]] grunts appear, but they appear to be minor threats to Ilima. After a quick lesson from the player and Ilima, the grunts flee and Ilima heals the player's Pokémon before challenging the player to a battle himself. After the battle, Ilima gets impressed by the player's team and allows the player to attempt his trial. On the way to Verdant Cavern, a wild {{p|Delibird}} drags the player to the {{al|Berry fields}} as more Team Skull grunts are causing trouble with other people. The grunts get defeated by the player, and they announce to mess with Ilima's trial.

As the player makes it to Verdant Cavern, Ilima explains the rules of the trial and let's the player attempt it. Midway into the trial, the grunts from earlier challenge the player again and get defeated. The grunts bother a wild Pokémon in the area, unwittingly helping the player complete the next section of the trial. As the player almost completes the trial, {{pkmn2|Totem}} [[Gumshoos]]{{sup/7|S}}/Totem [[Raticate]]{{sup/7|M}} ambushes the player and challenges the player to a battle. Upon defeat of the Pokémon, the player completes the trial.

After hearing that Lillie has gone missing, the player heads to {{rt|3|Alola}} and into [[Melemele Meadow]], where the player finds Lillie. Lillie again loses Nebby and the player has to go find it. After finding Nebby, the player returns to Lillie and leave the meadow to be greeted by Hau and Kukui. After hearing that Hau and the player passed their first trial, Kukui sends the player back to Iki Town for their grand trial with Island Kahuna Hala.

After defeating Kahuna Hala, the player receives another Z-Crystal and is given a [[Ride Pager]] in order to [[Poké Ride|ride Pokémon]] like {{p|Tauros}} in the Alola region. The player makes way to the next island, [[Akala Island]]. On Akala Island, the player attends the trials of [[Lana]], [[Kiawe]], and [[Mallow]] before battling the Island Kahuna [[Olivia]]. On Akala Island, the player once again encounters Team Skull and encounters new people like a neglected member of Team Skull named [[Gladion]] who owns a Pokémon called {{p|Type: Null}}, and [[Hapu]], a wanderer traveling the region with her [[Mudsdale]]. After defeating the Island Kahuna, [[Faba]] invites the player and Hau to [[Aether Paradise]].

At Aether Paradise, the player and Hau meets the [[Aether Foundation]] President [[Lusamine]] and learn that the company is responsible for making Aether Paradise a sanctuary for abused Pokémon. In the middle of the meeting, a [[Ultra Beast|weird creature]] from [[Ultra Space|another universe]] attacks the player and after a short battle retreats to its own world. Lusamine becomes interested in the odd creature and sends the duo to [[Ula'ula Island]] to complete their island challenge.

On Ula'ula Island, the player prepares for the trials of [[Sophocles]] and [[Acerola]]. While taking these trials, the player learns about a {{al|Pokémon League}} under construction and is challenged to participate in it as soon as the player completes the Island Challenge. After completing the two trials, the player meets the Team Skull leader [[Guzma]] and visits their base at [[Po Town]]. After defeating the team in Po Town, Police officer [[Nanu]] and Acerola thank the player for rescuing a stolen {{p|Yungoos}} and head to the [[Aether House]].

Upon entering the house, Hau tells the player that Team Skull's [[Plumeria]] kidnapped Lillie and Nebby. Gladion overhears the conversation and demands Hau and the player to travel with him to the ferry terminal for their next destination. Before the trio leave, Nanu challenges the player as an Island Kahuna. Nanu gives the player another Z-Crystal and asks Gladion what he is depending on Team Skull for before departing. Gladion reveals to the player and Hau that they have to return to Aether Paradise to rescue Lillie and Nebby. Despite the crazy story, the player and Hau tag with Gladion to Aether Paradise.

At Aether Paradise, employees begin to attack the team as they believe they are intruders. They eventually reach Faba and Faba indeed hints that there is something unusual about Aether Foundation. After a battle from the player, Faba redirects the trio to the lower level of Aether Paradise, with the trio unaware that it is a trap to buy time. After learning of the trap, they head back up to find Faba, who brought reinforcements to battle them. [[Wicke]] then appears to them and says that Lillie might be with the President, but it would be hard to get to them. Faba then ambushes them again with more employees. The team defeat the employees and Faba again, resulting in Faba giving them access to the president's office.

The trio then spot Team Skull and Guzma in front of where they need to go. Gladion immediately takes on Guzma while Hau and the player take out the grunts. After taking out the grunts, Guzma takes down Gladion and the player takes his place in battle. Guzma gets defeated by the player again and is forced to let the team move onwards. The player then runs into Lusamine and Lillie. The player witnesses a darker side of Lusamine and learns that Nebby is being sacrificed to bring back {{p|Nihilego|the beast from earlier}}. Lillie tries to reason with her mother, but fails to do so, resulting in the player going after Lusamine.

Gladion and Hau catch up to the player and Gladion tells his mother not to open the Ultra Wormhole, but again, Lusamine ignores her children and opens the wormhole anyways. This results in many Ultra Beasts being spread out in Alola. With the help of Guzma, Lusamine tries to put a stop to the team, but they put both of the villains and the beast to a stop. As the Ultra Wormhole closes, Guzma, Lusamine, and the beast retreat to [[Ultra Space]] while Lillie checks on Nebby, who has now [[Evolution|transformed]] into a {{p|Cosmoem|new form}}.

The next day, Gladion gives Lillie the {{key|VII|Moon Flute}}{{sup/7|S}}/{{key|VII|Sun Flute}}{{sup/7|M}} and helps the player and Lillie get to the final Island of Alola, [[Poni Island]] and recommends finding the Island Kahuna. The player and Lillie eventually find Hapu again, who reveals the island has no Kahuna. The three then travel to the [[Ruins of Hope]] where [[Tapu Fini]] grants Hapu the honor of becoming Poni Island's kahuna after they both teamed up to take down an ultra beast. Hapu then talks about the [[Legendary Pokémon]] [[Solgaleo]]{{sup/7|S}}/[[Lunala]]{{sup/7|M}} and how there needs to be a ceremony at the [[Altar of the Sunne]]{{sup/7|S}}/[[Altar of the Moone]]{{sup/7|M}} involving two particular flutes. Lillie shows Hapu the flute Gladion gave her and are told the other flute is on [[Exeggutor Island]]. Lillie and the player then head to Exeggutor Island to obtain Lillie's flute counterpart.

After the player takes the other flute, the player and Lillie return to Poni Island and head to the Altar. On the way to the Altar, they get ambushed by Team Skull. Team Skull battles the player in order to try and get them to talk about where Guzma disappeared to, but Plumeria puts a stop to the battling. Plumeria apologizes for her actions and let's them continue onwards in hopes of rescuing Guzma. Soon after, Hapu challenges the player to a Grand Trial and the player attends another trial soon after. With both trials complete, the player completes the island challenge. The only thing left to do is to rescue Lusamine and Guzma from Ultra Space.

The player and Lillie reach the Altar and both prepare to play their flutes and either wait until dawn{{sup/7|S}} or dusk{{sup/7|M}} to summon the legendary Pokémon. After playing their flutes, an odd power in the Altar forms and takes Lillie's bag to the source of the power. Nebby is taken from the bag and evolves into {{p|Solgaleo}}{{sup/7|S}}/{{p|Lunala}}{{sup/7|M}}. With its new power, Nebby takes Lillie and the player to Ultra Space. The two then run into Guzma, who seems to be possessed by the ultra beasts. Lillie continues to find her mother, and soon the two find Lusamine with the creature called {{p|Nihilego}}. Lillie again tries convince her mother to return, but Lusamine eventually pushes her daughter's buttons and even calls her ugly. Lusamine calls out a captured Nihilego and merges with it, leaving the player to battle Lusamine until Nebby separates Lusamine and Nihilego from each other. Nebby then grabs the trapped people and brings them to the Altar, where Hapu takes Lusamine and Guzma to safely.

Nebby, still wanting to travel with Lillie and the player, gets rejected by Lillie as she believes that Nebby will not be able to get the adventures it wants with her as she is not a real trainer. Lillie then recommends Nebby should be captured by the player. The player gets into a battle with Nebby and eventually captures it. Lillie is thankful that Nebby will now be taken care of by its new parent and leaves to help out her mother. Nanu then appears at the Altar to let the player know that the next step is to battle all four Kahunas in a row. However, with the new {{al|Pokémon League}} opened in [[Mount Lanakila]] on Ula'ula Island, Nanu takes the player there to complete the final trial.

When the player reaches the Pokémon League, Professor Kukui greets the player and gives him the choice to battle any of the [[Elite Four|four members of the Alola League]] in whatever choice the player decides. The members include island kahunas [[Hala]] and [[Olivia]], who use {{type|Fighting}} and {{t|Rock}} types respectively, Trial Captain [[Acerola]], who uses the {{type|Ghost}} type, and [[Kahili]], a former island challenge champion and golfer who uses the {{type|Flying}} type. After the player defeats the Elite Four, the player takes a seat in the Champion's chair before Professor Kukui surprises the player with a final battle before becoming the first Alola League {{pkmn|Champion}}. After becoming Champion, the player is invited back to a big festival in [[Iki Town]] to celebrate the big accomplishment.

During the festival, Lillie pulls the player to the side and the two revisit the [[Mahalo Trail]] and cross a rebuilt Plank Bridge to the [[Ruins of Conflict]], hoping to get congratulated by {{p|Tapu Koko}} for finishing the island challenge. The player touches the statue in the Ruins of Conflict and gives thanks to Tapu Koko. After touching the statue, Tapu Koko challenges the player to a battle, which allows the player to either capture it or show the Guardian Pokémon the power of the new Alola Champion. After the battle, the two return to the festival. Shortly after returning, Lillie tries to tell the player of her next steps, but decides to instead let the player enjoy the rest of the festival.

The following day, Hau visits the player and drags the player to [[Hau'oli City]]. Hau and the player catch up to Lillie and Professor Kukui before the departure, and it is revealed Lillie is going to [[Kanto]] to help make herself and her mother get better and stronger. Lillie gives Hau and the player a gift before she sets sail to Kanto, leaving Hau in tears. The Professor shares some words with the player and Hau to show respect to Lillie's decision and soon after, the three make their way back home.

==Blurb==
Welcome to the World of Pokémon!

Are you ready to become a Pokémon Trainer? 
Trade and battle with friends all over the world!

Train your Pokémon for battle! 
Discover Pokémon and fill your Pokédex. 
Care for your Pokémon and help them grow. 
Adventure awaits in the Alola region!

==Features==
===Rotom Pokédex===
The {{player}}'s [[Pokédex]] is a special model that can be inhabited by a {{p|Rotom}}, called the [[Rotom Pokédex]]. Through the Pokédex, Rotom can speak human languages. The Pokédex also acts as a real-time map on the bottom screen on the player's Nintendo 3DS, showing the player's location, places of interest, and recommended destinations based on conversations made with [[non-player character|NPC]]s.

===QR Scanner===
{{main|QR Scanner}}
Players can scan QR codes corresponding to each Pokémon in the Pokédex, allowing them to register them as Pokémon they have seen. The QR scanner can also be used to receive [[event Pokémon]], such as {{p|Magearna}}.

===New forms===
Pokémon Sun and Moon are the first core series games where players can use {{p|Zygarde}}'s [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Zygarde|10% and Complete Formes]], as well as {{p|Greninja}}'s [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Greninja|Ash-Greninja]] form. Zygarde's other forms, Zygarde Cell and Core, also make non-playable appearances.

====Alola Forms====
{{main|Regional variant}}
Some [[Pokémon (species)|Pokémon species]] have uniquely adapted to the microclimates of the Alola region, becoming what is known as a regional variant of their species. These variant species take on different forms from those of their species in other regions, including a different appearance, Abilities, and more. An Alolan variant of a species is known as its Alola Form.

===Battle Royal===
{{main|Battle Royal}}
The Battle Royal is a new battle format where four players enter into a free-for-all battle, with any player able to attack (or aid) another. The battle ends when all of one player's Pokémon faint, with the winner being the player who has the highest combined number of knockouts and number of remaining Pokémon.

===Z-Moves===
{{main|Z-Move}}
Z-Moves are a new type of move in which the Trainer and Pokémon's wishes combine to release their full power. Z-Moves are moves of great power, but can only be used once per battle.

In order to use a Z-Move, a Trainer needs two items: a Z-Ring and a Z-Crystal. A Z-Ring is a band worn on a Trainer's arm. A Z-Crystal must be set into the Z-Ring, and if a Pokémon holds a Z-Crystal of the same type, they will resonate with each other. If the Pokémon then knows a move corresponding to the Z-Crystal's type, it will be able to use a Z-Move. All Pokémon can use Z-Moves, and there are Z-Moves for each of the 18 [[type]]s. There are also Z-Moves that can only be used by specific Pokémon.

When used in battle, a Z-Move takes over the entire screen in a short, cinematic display.

===Island challenge===
{{main|Island challenge}}
The island challenge is a new mechanic introduced in Pokémon Sun and Moon. It is a rite in which players travel through the four islands of Alola with the goal of becoming the strongest Trainer, known as the island challenge champion. In order to complete the island challenge, players must overcome each island's unique trials which may include, but are not limited to, finding items, completing tests of knowledge, and battling with Pokémon.

At the end of each island's trial, the player will have to battle a [[Totem Pokémon]]. A Totem Pokémon is much larger than its species normally is and has a special aura that appears to aid it in battle, such as by raising its {{stat|Defense}}. Totem Pokémon are battled in [[SOS Battle]]s, where they summon ally Pokémon to participate alongside them.

The final trial on each island is a Pokémon battle with the [[Island Kahuna]] known as the grand trial. Successfully clearing the grand trial gives the player the right to move on to the next island in their challenge, conveying official recognition that the player has cleared all of the island's trials.

Each trial has a [[Trial Captain]] who provides guidance to trial-goers. All of the Captains are Trainers who undertook trials in their own island challenge a few years earlier.

===Poké Rides===
{{main|Poké Ride}}
Poké Rides are a new feature whereby players can call on the services of certain Pokémon in order to access areas that they would not have been able to access on their own. These Pokémon are not part of the player's team, but they may be called on at any time. Poké Rides replace [[HM]]s in Pokémon Sun and Moon, as many of the Ride Pokémon have the same purpose as previously existing HMs.

===Hyper Training===
{{main|Hyper Training}}
Hyper Training is a new feature that lets the player maximize one or more of a Pokémon's {{IV}}s with the help of a man known as [[Mr. Hyper]] in exchange for [[Bottle Cap]]s. Only a Pokémon that has reached [[level]] 100 can undergo Hyper Training.

===Festival Plaza===
{{main|Festival Plaza}}
As the player progresses through the game, they will become able to use Festival Plaza. Festival Plaza allows players to see other people playing near them, or other players that are connected to the internet to {{pkmn|battle}} or [[trade]]. By talking to people and listening to their requests in Festival Plaza, players can receive Festival Coins. Festival Coins can be spent on stores in the plaza, and eventually rank up their Plaza.

===Poké Pelago===
{{main|Poké Pelago}}
Poké Pelago is a new feature that allows Pokémon that are stored in a [[PC]] [[Pokémon Storage System|Box]] to explore a variety of isles, play on athletic equipment, and enjoy other fun activities. The various islands allow the player's Pokémon to gather items, discover [[wild Pokémon]], and even raise Pokémon [[level]]s and [[stat]]s.

===Pokémon===
:''See [[:Category:Generation VII Pokémon]]''
81 new Pokémon were introduced for Sun and Moon, bringing the known total from 721 to 802.

====[[Game-exclusive Pokémon]]====
{| style="margin:auto"
|
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{sun color}}; border:5px solid #{{sun color light}}"
! Sun
|-
|
{| border="1" style="border:1px solid #{{sun color}}; border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
{{Moveentrytm|037A|Vulpix|1|Ice}}
{{Moveentrytm|038A|Ninetales|2|Ice|Fairy}}
{{Moveentrytm|408|Cranidos|1|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|409|Rampardos|1|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|546|Cottonee|2|Grass|Fairy}}
{{Moveentrytm|547|Whimsicott|2|Grass|Fairy}}
{{Moveentrytm|564|Tirtouga|2|Water|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|565|Carracosta|2|Water|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|627|Rufflet|2|Normal|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|628|Braviary|2|Normal|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|766|Passimian|1|Fighting}}
{{Moveentrytm|776|Turtonator|2|Fire|Dragon}}
{{Moveentrytm|791|Solgaleo|2|Psychic|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|794|Buzzwole|2|Bug|Fighting}}
{{Moveentrytm|798|Kartana|2|Grass|Steel}}
|}
|}
|
{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{moon color}}; border:5px solid #{{moon color light}}"
! Moon
|-
|
{| border="1" style="border:1px solid #{{moon color}}; border-collapse:collapse" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
{{Moveentrytm|027A|Sandshrew|2|Ice|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|028A|Sandslash|2|Ice|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|410|Shieldon|2|Rock|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|411|Bastiodon|2|Rock|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|548|Petilil|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|549|Lilligant|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|566|Archen|2|Rock|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|567|Archeops|2|Rock|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|629|Vullaby|2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|630|Mandibuzz|2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|765|Oranguru|2|Normal|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|780|Drampa|2|Normal|Dragon}}
{{Moveentrytm|792|Lunala|2|Psychic|Ghost}}
{{Moveentrytm|795|Pheromosa|2|Bug|Fighting}}
{{Moveentrytm|797|Celesteela|2|Steel|Flying}}
|}
|}
|}

==Compatibility==
On January 24th 2017, an update for [[Pokémon Bank]] was released that allows it to interact with Pokémon Sun and Moon. In addition to regular storage, the update allows Sun and Moon to receive Pokémon from the [[Generation VI]] games, as well as the [[Virtual Console]] releases of the [[Generation I]] games through the [[Poké Transporter]] in a similar method used to transfer from [[Generation V]].

==Reception==
Gaming magazine {{wp|Famitsu}} gave Pokémon Sun and Moon a score of 38 out of 40.

Within the first two weeks of release for Sun and Moon, over 7.5 million copies were sold in Japan, North America, and Europe.<ref>[http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/pok-mon-holds-top-spot-in-busy-week-in-japan/0176092 Pokemon Sun and Moon sales top 7 million worldwide, more than 10% of the 3DS install base]</ref> In North America, Europe, and Australia, they set a record for being the fastest-selling Nintendo games there, selling 3.7 million, 1.5 million, and 240 thousand copies, respectively, in the first two weeks.<ref>[http://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/pokemon-sun-and-pokemon-moon-fastest-selling-game-in-nintendo-history Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon become fastest-selling games in Nintendo history in the Americas]</ref><ref>[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-11-28-pokemon-sun-and-moon-are-nintendos-biggest-uk-launch Pokémon Sun and Moon are Nintendo's biggest UK launch of all time]</ref><ref>[http://www.vooks.net/pokemon-sun-moon-become-fastest-selling-nintendo-games-australia-ever/ Pokémon Sun and Moon become fastest selling Nintendo games in Australia ever]</ref>

IGN rated the games an "Amazing" 9.0/10<ref>[http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/11/15/pokemon-sun-and-moon-review Pokemon Sun and Moon Review - IGN]</ref>, noting that the games "switch up the formula to create an engaging adventure". Pokémon Sun and Moon hold a rating of 88.00%<ref>[http://www.gamerankings.com/3ds/187276-pokemon-sun/index.html Pokemon Sun for 3DS - GameRankings]</ref> and 88.17%<ref>[http://www.gamerankings.com/3ds/187277-pokemon-moon/index.html Pokemon Moon for 3DS - GameRankings]</ref>, respectively, on {{wp|GameRankings}}.

==Music==
{{main|Pokémon Sun & Pokémon Moon: Super Music Collection}}

==Staff==
{{main|Staff of Pokémon Sun and Moon}}

==Version history==
{| class="roundy" style="text-align:left; border: 3px solid #{{moon color}}; background: #{{sun color}}"
! style="background: #{{moon color light}}; text-align:center; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Version
! style="background: #{{moon color light}}; text-align:center" | Release date
! style="background: #{{moon color light}}; text-align:center" | Official changelog
! style="background: #{{moon color light}}; text-align:center; {{roundytr|5px}}" | More information
|- style="background:#FFF"
| style="text-align:center" | 1.0
| style="text-align:center" | {{tt|November 18, 2016|Japan, North America, Australia, South Korea, Hong Kong, and Taiwan}} {{tt|November 23, 2016|Europe}}
| N/A
| Initial release
|-
| style="background: #FFF; text-align:center; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{n|Pokémon Sun and Moon v1.1 patch now available|1.1}}
| style="background: #FFF; text-align:center" | January 10, 2017
| style="background: #FFF" |
* ''Various bugs have been fixed in order to provide a smoother gaming experience.''
| style="background: #FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" |
* Fixes the following glitches:
** {{DL|List of glitches in Generation VII|Memento and Parting Shot Z-Move glitch}}
** {{DL|List of glitches in Generation VII|Rocky Helmet glitch}}
** {{DL|List of glitches in Generation VII|Evolution move learning glitch}}.
* Fixes two instances where an NPC's Pokémon has an [[game move errors|illegitimate move]]:
** A {{p|Kommo-o}} in the [[Battle Tree]] had {{m|Shell Smash}}, which was changed to {{m|Draco Meteor}}.
** A {{p|Shuckle}} in the [[Battle Royal]] had {{m|Stockpile}}, which was changed to {{m|Double Team}}.
* Changes a [[Salac Berry]]-holding {{p|Hawlucha}} in the Battle Tree to a [[Charti Berry]]-holding {{p|Pidgeot}}.
|}



==Demo==
{{main|Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon Special Demo Version}}

==Gallery==
<gallery>
Sun Version logo Jp.png|Japanese Sun logo
Moon Version logo Jp.png|Japanese Moon logo
Pokémon Sun logo.png|English Sun logo
Pokémon Moon logo.png|English Moon logo
Sun Version logo Ch-sc.png|Simplified Chinese Sun logo
Moon Version logo Ch-sc.png|Simplified Chinese Moon logo
Sun Version logo Ch-tc.png|Traditional Chinese Sun logo
Moon Version logo Ch-tc.png|Traditional Chinese Moon logo
Pokémon Soleil logo.png|French Sun logo
Pokémon Lune logo.png|French Moon logo
Pokémon Sonne logo.png|German Sun logo
Pokémon Mond logo.png|German Moon logo
Pokémon Sole logo.png|Italian Sun logo
Pokémon Luna logo.png|Italian Moon logo
Pokémon Sun Version logo KO.png|Korean Sun logo
Pokémon Moon Version logo KO.png|Korean Moon logo
Pokémon Sol logo.png|Spanish Sun logo
Pokémon Luna logo.png|Spanish Moon logo
</gallery>

==Trailers==
===Teaser===
{{youtubevid|hmzDL1l3Fag|Pokemon|Sun|Moon}}

===First trailer===
====US====
{{youtubevid|Kn25hijDL7c|Pokemon|Moon|Sun}}

====UK====
{{youtubevid|o2T25XRYjdw|Pokemon|Sun|Moon}}

====Japan====
{{youtubevid|2r0_F-_ClcQ|PokemonCoJp|Moon|Sun}}

==Trivia==
* These are the first [[Pokémon games]] to be released in Chinese.
* These are the first Pokémon games to show NPCs using [[Poké Ball]] variants other than the [[Poké Ball#Poké Ball|standard Poké Ball]].
* These are the only Pokémon games in the core series to not feature:
** [[Gyms]], with the [[island challenge]] fulfilling this role instead.
** [[HM]]s, [[field move]]s, and the [[Dowsing Machine]] with [[Poké Ride|Ride Pokémon]] fulfilling this role instead.
** An {{type|Ice}} expert.
** A [[Bicycle]].
* These games mark the first time when the [[National Pokédex]] is unavailable since its introduction in [[Generation III]].
* The Japanese, Korean, and Chinese logos for Sun and Moon contain a Z-Crystal.
* These are the only games not set in the [[Johto]] region where the player can obtain and use Poké Balls made from Apricorns, though only one of each is available without events.
* These Pokémon games have the lowest amount of non-event Pokémon available in-game in regards to the percentage of its generation's National Pokédex, at 47% or 384 out of 802.
* These are the only core series games on the [[Nintendo 3DS]] not to have 3D functionality.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{Sun color}}|bordercolor={{Moon color light}}
|ja={{tt|ポケットモンスターサン・ムーン|Pocket Monsters Sun & Moon}}
|zh_yue={{tt|精靈寶可夢太陽／月亮|Jēnglìhng Bóuhómuhng Taaiyèuhng / Yuhtleuhng}}
|zh_cmn={{tt|精靈寶可夢太陽／月亮 精灵宝可梦太阳／月亮|Jīnglíng Bǎokěmèng Tàiyáng / Yuèliàng}}
|fr=Pokémon Soleil et Lune
|de=Pokémon Sonne und Mond
|it=Pokémon Sole e Luna
|ko={{tt|포켓몬스터 썬・문|Pocket Monsters Sseon & Mun}}
|es=Pokémon Sol y Luna
}}

==See also==
* {{Appendix|Sun and Moon walkthrough}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Core series}} 
{{Project Games notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon Sun and Moon|*]]
[[Category:Nintendo 3DS games]]

[[de:Pokémon Sonne und Mond]]
[[fr:Pokémon Soleil et Lune]]
[[it:Pokémon Sole e Luna]]
[[ja:ポケットモンスターサン・ムーン]]
[[pl:Pokémon Wersje Sun i Moon]]
[[zh:精靈寶可夢太陽／月亮]]

Imposter (Ability)

2017-04-08T05:48:14Z

PartHunter: /* In battle */ Does Skill Swap work?

{{AbilityInfobox
|name=Imposter
|jpname=かわりもの
|jptrans=Changer
|jptranslit=Kawarimono
|colorscheme=Normal
|gen=5
|text5=It transforms itself into the Pokémon it is facing.
|text6=The Pokémon transforms itself into the Pokémon it's facing.
|text7=The Pokémon transforms itself into the Pokémon it's facing.
}}
'''Imposter''' (Japanese: '''かわりもの''' ''Changer'') is an [[Ability]] introduced in [[Generation V]]. It is the [[signature Ability]] of {{p|Ditto}}. This Ability is exclusively obtained as a {{DL|Ability|Hidden Ability}}.

==Effect==
===In battle===
{{MoveResearch|Which Pokémon it transforms into in Horde Encounters and Battle Royals, and if it can be transferred by {{m|Skill Swap}}.}}
As soon as the user comes into battle, it {{m|transform}}s into its opponent. Imposter copies the target's appearance, [[cry]], [[move]]s (which all have 5 {{PP}}), [[Ability]], stats (except {{stat|HP}}), stat changes (but not stat multipliers such as with {{DL|In-battle effect item|Choice Specs}}), [[List of Pokémon by weight|weight]], and [[Mega Evolution]] or [[List of Pokémon with form differences|form]] (regardless of held item). Imposter does not copy its opponent's {{IV}}s (for the purpose of {{m|Hidden Power}}), [[friendship]] or [[gender]].

Imposter will not activate if the opponent is transformed, disguised with {{a|Illusion}}, or behind a {{m|substitute}}. Imposter only activates when the Pokémon with the Ability is sent out; if it fails to transform into an opponent, it will not activate unless the Pokémon with Imposter is withdrawn and sent out again.

In [[Double Battle|Double]] and [[Triple Battle]]s, Imposter will copy the opponent in the position directly opposite it. If there is no opponent directly opposite to it, it will not transform.

{{m|Role Play}} fails if the target has the Ability Imposter. {{m|Entrainment}} fails if the user has the Ability Imposter. Imposter cannot be copied by {{a|Trace}}, {{a|Power of Alchemy}}, or {{a|Receiver}}.

If the user transforms into a pure {{t|Fire}} type that has used {{m|Burn Up}}, the user will become {{type|Normal}}; if such a Pokémon has additionally been affected by {{m|Forest's Curse}} or {{m|Trick-or-Treat}}, the user will become Normal-type with an added {{t|Grass}} or {{t|Ghost}} type respectively. If the user transforms into a dual-typed Pokémon that has used Burn Up, however, Imposter will copy the user's current types (and type additions) as usual.

===Outside of battle===
Imposter has no effect outside of battle.

==Pokémon with Imposter==
{{Ability/head|Normal}}
{{Ability/entry|132|Ditto|Normal|Normal|Limber|None|Imposter}}
{{Ability/foot|Normal}}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{normal color}}|bordercolor={{normal color dark}}
|zh_yue=變身者 ''{{tt|Binsānjé|Shapeshifter}}''
|zh_cmn=變身者 / 变身者 ''{{tt|Biànshēnzhě|Shapeshifter}}''
|fr=Imposteur
|de=Doppelgänger
|it=Sosia
|pt=Impostor
|es=Impostor
|ko=괴짜 ''Goejja ''
}}
{{-}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Ability-changing Abilities]]
[[Category:Abilities only available as a Hidden Ability]]
[[Category:Abilities that cannot be copied]]

[[de:Doppelgänger]]
[[fr:Imposteur]]
[[it:Sosia (abilità)]]
[[ja:かわりもの]]
[[zh:变身者（特性）]]

Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive3

2017-03-17T12:19:57Z

PartHunter: /* The Tapu, UB, Null and Silvally ARE Legendary. I have proof. */ P.S. I forgot.

[[Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive1|Archive #1]] 
[[Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive2|Archive #2]]

== Separating Mythical and Legendary Pokémon ==

The matter of separating the articles of Legendary and Mythical Pokémon is in discussion because of Generation VI's newly introduced disambiguation of the term ''Mythical Pokémon''. I have started a [[User:Ash Pokemaster/Mythical Pokémon|short draft]] that anyone should feel free to expand. Meanwhile, in response to [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) [[Talk:Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon/Archive2#Separation|15:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)]]:
:A better phrasing might be "a related group of Pokémon related to Legendary Pokémon", but I'm being conservative for the time being. I haven't found evidence supporting that ''Mythical Pokémon'' are indeed ''Legendary'' (as far as Japanese media are concerned), and the fact that [http://www.pokemonconquest.com/en-us/outline/densetsu recent] text refers to all of them collectively as "Legendary and Mythical Pokémon" makes me think they aren't. Mythical Pokémon as an English term may be relatively recent, but 幻のポケモン has always been a thing -- it has been in use on and off since 1998 (potentially even earlier, in Mew ads from 1996). It started catching on (that is to say, being used more commonly) around [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/history/ 2007] or 2008. Prior to that, reference to Mythical Pokémon has been generally informal, with several other terms like [https://web.archive.org/web/20040404003246/http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/deoxys/index.html 特別なポケモン] (''Tokubetsuna Pokémon'', probably a parallel to ''Event Pokémon'') seen in official media. Ever since Gen 5, it has been in use unambiguously. You can even find a formal definition of 幻のポケモン in Pokescrap's [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokescrap2014/pokemon/ page].

:As of today (arguably since [[Talk:Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon/Archive2#Mythical_and_Legendary_classification_with_sources|Gen 5]]) the same holds for ''Mythical'', as there is no reference of Mythical Pokémon being Legendary anywhere, as far as I know. Even cases like Deoxys, where 幻のポケモン was originally mistranslated as ''Legendary Pokémon'', are now properly classified. The assumption that Mythical Pokémon are Legendary is natural, and the western community especially is accustomed to the convention for most of the franchise's life, with the proper term coined years after its Japanese counterpart (granted, the term ''Rare Pokémon'' was once being used in places like Pokémon Ranger and [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokemon.com_officially_reveals_Shaymin announcements]), but I have to ask: what's the point of including Mythical Pokémon in the Legendary Pokémon page when they aren't officially referred to as ''Legendary Pokémon''? Saving clicks? Is an encyclopedia's mission to pander to the community's fondness of obsolete terminology, or is it to be accurate and in-line with the series' current conventions and lore? [[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash Pokemaster]] ([[User talk:Ash Pokemaster|talk]]) 17:41, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
::Bulbapedia's mission is not necessarily to be official, it's to be an informative English-language Pokémon encyclopedia, which happens to be a mission that involves official sources. Since we're just going in circles ''again'', let me just point out that when the community searches for "Legendary Pokémon", they expect to find info on Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, et cetera in addition to those normally obtainable within their debut generation. Splitting the page would also have the effect of splitting Mew and Keldeo from their respective legendary "families", to the detriment of the wiki. In addition, my position since the start of English-language Gen V has been that mythicals are a subset of legendaries, and as I pointed out last time we talked about this, North American ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U'' backs me up, while you have not cited an English-language source in your argument. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 06:50, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
:::I suppose that we principally disagree on whether Bulbapedia's coverage should be based strictly on canonical sources (which exclude contradicting English-language sources which commonly include mistranslations, although this may also be a matter of argument) or be more in-line with fans' expectations. I will admit I have no source that downright states "Mythical Pokémon are not a subset of Legendary Pokémon", but what's the point of the "Legendary and Mythical Pokémon" statement if the latter aren't a separate group? It would be a redundancy. Your NA Smash Bros. argument only augments my point, if only because the difference between the European and the NA version simply proves that there's an existing ambiguity that the more careful sources (ie. the ones that don't spell Onix as "Onyx") take under consideration. Besides, why should it be taken under consideration over the European translation? What makes it inherently more valid?
:::I will agree that this is most likely going to go in circles. It would be better to let other people weigh in. --[[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash Pokemaster]] ([[User talk:Ash Pokemaster|talk]]) 07:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
::::People expecting to find Mythical Pokémon when coming to this page can be solved with a hatnote and in-article prose. However, we should be using official definitions whereever possible. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:38, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
::SnorlaxMonster and Ash Pokemaster, I get what you're implying, and I see your reasoning, but do you actually have a source that ''directly'' states mythicals are not legendaries? [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 11:37, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
:::Yes, there is an official source that explicitly shows they're separate groups that don't overlap: Corocoro. In either October or November 2014 - can't remember which - Corocoro promised that '''every''' Legendary Pokémon would be available for capture in ORAS. Come the games' release, we saw that this didn't include Mythical Pokémon. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 23:41, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
::::Corocoro is a Japanese source, and the debate is over the English terminology. However, both the US and UK official ORAS sites made the same claim, albeit with different wording, stating that "between XYORAS, all Legendary Pokémon will be ''obtainable''". [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 07:57, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::No, the debate is ''not'' on the English terminology, but on the ''group to which it refers.'' They're still called Legendary and Mythical whether Bulbapedia says Mythical is a subset or a separate group. In fact, ''the page has actually called Mythical by the same name under both circumstances in the past.'' that ''isn't'' being debated right now. What is being debated is whether Mythical Pokémon, [http://www.pokepedia.fr/Pokémon_fabuleux a group which exists in other languages as well and is NOT exclusive to the English language], is separate from Legendary. This has absolutely nothing to do with the name of the group when the group itself is the same in the other languages - the idea of things having different names in different languages applies to basically everything else in Pokémon as well, and doesn't prevent foreign language sources from being used as evidence when the subject itself remains identical. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 03:41, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::The debate is on the group to which it refers ''in English'', so this is indeed over English terminology. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 11:28, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry, but... I don't understand what you mean? As I JUST explained, the group exists in every language. The group, which is consistent throughout every language, is ''referred to in English'' as Mythical, but ''still exists, albeit by various other names,'' in other languages - like ''everything else in the series,'' actually. I even provided a link to the French encyclopædia Pokémonis as proof of the group's existence in other languages. The name has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. By your logic, no Japanese source could be used for anything that has a different name in English. To reiterate from my previous post: '''we aren't debating the name of the group.''' We're debating whether or not said group, ''which exists in every language,'' albeit with a different name ''because it is translated like everything else in the series,'' is separate from Legendary, another group ''which exists in every language,'' again with different names ''because it is translated like everything else in the series.'' Please, explain ''why'' having a different name would prevent a group that is otherwise ''completely consistent between languages'' from being considered the same thing when everything else in the series is in the same situation. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 18:37, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

==Mythical Pokémon = Events?==

I know for a fact that the only difference I have found from Legendary and Mythical Pokémon is that most Mythical Pokémon are usually event exclusive with even stats all over (most of the time) and that Legendary Pokémon are usually found towards the ends of games and commonly have higher stats than Mythical Pokémon (not counting Mega Diancie). [[User:BowserBrowser|BowserBrowser]] ([[User talk:BowserBrowser|talk]]) 10:29, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
:It's actually even simpler than that. Legendaries are available in-game. Mythical are unavailable in-game. Nothing else you mentioned is related. It has nothing to do with high stats versus low, or being near the end of the game, or "usually" being event-exclusive (even Deoxys, formerly Mythical, has been listed as "other" in the Japanese promotional material and simply hasn't been referenced as either Legendary ''or'' Mythical in English promotions since ORAS made it available as far as I know - being event-only is not "usually" a trait shared, but ''always'' the case), or whether stats are balanced or specialized. There is a clear-cut distinction between them. (Also, just as a side note, the definition was already on the article before you said this, so I'm not really sure what your point was? XD) [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 23:41, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
:: Ah. [[User:BowserBrowser|BowserBrowser]] ([[User talk:BowserBrowser|talk]]) 21:52, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

==Deoxys==
To avoid edit warring, I'm not changing the page right now (I already had changed Deoxys to say it isn't Mythical and that was reverted, so I'm pretty sure doing so again wouldn't be allowed), but I just wanted to explain the argument against Deoxys being Mythical.
In the Pokémon Scrap event, where you had to collect those clippings to earn Shaymin, Keldeo and Victini, the page on the official site explicitly stated something along the lines of "Shaymin, Keldeo and Victini, '''like other Mythical Pokémon,''' cannot be normally obtained in Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire." This is an official statement that Mythical does '''always''' mean event-only, so Deoxys isn't an exception - it's just not Mythical '''any more.''' It was before, but it has officially lost the status. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 23:41, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
:I hadn't noticed this ambiguity until now. You're quite right, it wasn't referred to as a Mythical Pokémon during the ORAS promotion. Granted, it isn't referred to as a Legendary either -- just "Pokémon Deoxys". I think it ought to be classified as a Mythical for the time being, if only because otherwise we might end up revisioning multiple Pokémon way too often (for all we know special "Episodes" that feature Mythical Pokémon might become a regular thing). However, a footnote for its special status is definitely needed, and we have to revisit its situation by the time the ORAS era is over and a new Deoxys event (or game inclusion) makes appearance.

:Which Pokescrap page are you referring to, by the way? The definition used in the (now [http://web.archive.org/web/20141231060449/http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/pokescrap2014/pokemon/ archived]) page simply says that Mythical Pokémon aren't available during normal play of the games. It would be interesting if it was indeed explicitly mentioned somewhere that "no Mythical Pokémon are available in ORAS" as far as Deoxys's status is concerned. --[[User:Ash Pokemaster|Ash Pokemaster]] ([[User talk:Ash Pokemaster|talk]]) 06:25, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry; I was actually wrong (I couldn't find the page, so I was going from memory) - it doesn't explicitly state "in ORAS." Still, the promotion was ''for'' ORAS, and Deoxys has not been called Mythical since, so it should still be valid evidence, right?
::Also, I'm not sure it'd be as hard as you say to fix it. I mean, if the official classification changes, we should fix it here, right? We add hundreds of pages whenever a new game comes out, so changing one Pokémon's classification wouldn't be unfeasible under the same circumstances (and even if it's mentioned in a lot of places, if we miss a page when altering it, anyone who comes across it can fix it - this isn't a one-person project or anything!). That said, we don't know what Deoxys IS considered right now, so I would be okay with holding off on changing it until we do. We should just definitely fix it as soon as we do know. XD [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 19:35, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
:::It seems you've assumed that Deoxys is no longer even a "Legendary", in addition to not being Mythical either. It seems to me pretty intuitive that Deoxys must be Legendary or Mythical (and definitely not neither), but in the meantime, Deoxys's [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/deoxys inclusion] under the Legendary Pokemon section of the official ORAS site should be proof enough that it is at least Legendary. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:16, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
::::"Intuitive" is not the same as "fact," and, in fact, we even have a word. "counterintuitive," to illustrate the possibility of that difference. Assuming based on logic that Deoxys is Legendary is speculation, which, as far as I'm aware, isn't allowed here. [[Talk:Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon/Archive2|This discussion]] shows that the Japanese site explicitly lists Deoxys as "other" and refers to it as neither Legendary nor Mythical. The "Legendary" Pokémon list is already wrong, with [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/more-legendary-pokemon-appearing-in-mirage-spots this page] pointing out that all Legendary Pokémon can be obtained in-game, on the same site that has a page ''in the Legendary Pokémon section'' on the Mythical Pokémon Keldeo and Shaymin. I would personally say that what they actually say about it should take precedence over where they put it on the site. That said, I'm happy to discuss further, since there is conflicting information, as you have pointed out, and a lot of it is up in the air. (I wonder if Deoxys is going to become the new Phione in regards to debate. XD) [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:24, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::I would say, though, that if it flies so in the face of logic, you need pretty strong evidence to say something like Deoxys is neither Legendary nor Mythical (preferably more than just one little thing). As it happens, though, you have perhaps made a bad assumption about [[Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive2#Proposed split|SnorlaxMonster's comment]]. While it is true that [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/pokemon/ the Japanese ORAS site] has a section for "Legendardy Pokemon" (伝説のポケモン), the fact that Deoxys is located under "Other" (その他) very much does not mean that Deoxys is neither Legendary nor Mythical, not when Mythical (幻の) is mentioned nowhere. I believe SnorlaxMonster in fact meant to say that since it's not listed under Legendary, they must consider Deoxys Mythical. In fact, if you look at that page now, you will see that Hoopa is also listed with Deoxys under "Other", so either they consider both of them Mythical or, as you assume, neither Mythical nor Legendary...despite the fact that Hoopa fits the supposed definition of Mythical to a tee. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:12, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::I might be able to help with what I meant by my own comment. I wasn't trying to say that because Deoxys is intentionally not listed as a Legendary Pokémon that it is necessarily a Mythical Pokémon; I was simply saying that it heavily indicated that Deoxys is not a Legendary Pokémon. To my knowledge, no official material has referred to Deoxys as Mythical since the release of ORAS, but we also do not have any evidence that it has had its Mythical status revoked, so we should continue to list it as such. I didn't notice Hoopa was listed in the "Other" section too, but that certainly is interesting; however, the section is merely "Other", so it simply means that they do not fit into the other sections on the page, not that they are both Mythical or both not Mythical. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:24, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::::This [https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/GYRH6RJ survey] strongly implies Deoxys is not a Mythical Pokémon. The question says "Which of these are your favorite Mythical Pokémon? (Choose your top 3.)", and includes every Mythical Pokémon, but not Phione or Deoxys.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:20, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Just to state it plainly, it is still possible Deoxys is Legendary even though it does not appear anywhere else in the survey either, since there are other reliably "Legendary" Pokemon also missing (Mewtwo, Heatran, Kyurem, and Zygarde). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 12:49, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh, I completely did misunderstand that comment. I'm sorry. >.< I genuinely thought it said Deoxys was neither Mythical nor Legendary; it wasn't so much an assumption as completely misreading. XD That said, shouldn't that site saying it's not Legendary (even if it doesn't mention being Mythical) and the aforementioned PokéScrap site saying it's not Mythical count as proof, even if they were separate? The PokéScrap site IS proof that the Mythical status was revoked, because it specifically says ALL Mythical Pokémon are unavailable, and Deoxys was available. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 20:42, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::It's not proof Deoxys is neither. For my money, the Pokemon Company(/whatever) just doesn't really have its mind made up or doesn't want to make up/make known its mind on Deoxys's status, and/or there may also be some disconnect between English and Japanese branches or something. They need to paint a consistent and/or unambiguous picture, and until they do, IMO we need to avoid drawing conclusions from little, inconclusive hints. (And in the meantime, we should either consider Deoxys to provisionally have its previous status or to at least have the status that it logically deserves.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:07, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::Just checked the survey you cited. It asked to pick your favorite Mythical Pokémon, and ALL Mythical Pokémon were listed. However, the Legendary Pokémon section was specifically for grouped Legendary Pokémon - it specifically says "pick your favorite pair" and "pick your favorite grouping." It never says that's every Legendary, and, in fact, it clearly says it's only counting ones that are pairs or groups. As such, the survey is reliable (although it doesn't prove Deoxys isn't Legendary - just that it's not Mythical). In contrast, it did say it was listing every Mythical Pokémon, so Deoxys (and, unrelatedly, Phione) are not counted. Can you provide any proof that it IS Mythical? Because right now, that's what we're calling it, yet even your own argument points only towards it either being Legendary if it is either, and its placement in "other" indicates that it's not Legendary. Please stop saying it ''deserves'' the status and therefore speculatively claiming it is "logically" Mythical. Speculation isn't permitted in the mainspace as far as I am aware.
:::::::::::I'm also aware it being "other" and not Legendary and it being available and not Mythical aren't conclusive individually. That's why I gave them both. Together, they DO prove that it is neither, because each proves that it can't be one of the two.
:::::::::::Also, they do seem to have made up their minds. I'm pretty sure you're just looking for an excuse to call it Mythical when it clearly isn't any more. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 22:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::I never said that logically it is Mythical. I tried to say that it is not really logical that Deoxys would be classified as neither Legendary nor Mythical. (And beyond that, I don't really care which way Deoxys is classified, but there should be good proof behind whatever decision gets made.)
::::::::::::And that's the difference between you and I. You don't want to assume anything like that, and I think it is the height of folly to presume Deoxys wouldn't be counted either Legendary or Mythical. So when you see one place that implies Deoxys isn't Mythical and one that implies Deoxys isn't Legendary, you say, then it must be neither. Meanwhile, I see the same thing and just see contradicting implications and think everyone's not on the same page who should be (if they even know which page they want to be on, that is). And since all we have are implications, neither of us ''actually'' has anything approaching proof that Deoxys is X or Y or none of the above. For both of us, it makes sense, and there's ''nothing'' starkly clear enough to decide for us who is right.
::::::::::::That's why I said we need a clear statement from an official source. Until then, all our arguing about our interpretations of measly hints will get us precisely nowhere. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::Addendum: we've also forgotten the official ORAS English site I mentioned above. On the one hand, we have the [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/pokemon/ official Japanese site] that has a section for "Legendaries" but elects to include Deoxys under "Other" (implying Deoxys is not "Legendary"), while on the other, we have the [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/deoxys official English site] where Deoxys is included in the Legendary Pokemon section. If that's not a strong indication that someones ''somewhere'' are not on the same page, about ''one thing'' or another, I don't know what is. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 02:31, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::The Japanese information is not contradictory. If we're explicitly told that it's not Legendary and then explicitly told that it's not Mythical, that doesn't mean "one of them must be wrong," which is ''speculation,'' but that, ''given what we have,'' it is not Legendary or Mythical.
:::::::::::::The English site's categorization can't be taken into account because it is already wrong (as I explained, Keldeo and Shaymin prove that it's already not accurate considering other statements ''also on the English site''), but that's the only one we can prove is wrong. There is, therefore, not ''hinting'' but ''confirmation'' from the only sources we can't prove are wrong, that Deoxys is neither, and only information from a source I ''have'' proven is wrong to indicate that it might be one of them.
:::::::::::::Even so, since, clearly, it IS still debatable, I would honestly suggest doing it like Phione, because the situation is exactly the same, with official sources seemingly contradicting one another; we could list points like "it used to be Mythical and no Pokémon has been demoted before," "even if it is no longer event-only, it should transition to Legendary instead of being normal" and "the English site lists it as Legendary" and whatever else you can think of for pro-Legendary or Mythical status and "the Japanese site has stated in an Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire promotion that only event-only Pokémon are Mythical, a requirement which Deoxys no longer meets," "the Japanese site has listed it as non-Legendary, indicating that it is neither Mythical nor Legendary," and "the reliability of its placement on the English site is questionable due to the already-contradictory information in it, with Shaymin and Keldeo being classified as Legendary despite another statement on the site claiming that all Legendary Pokémon are obtainable in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire" for against. This would be completely true - it IS under debate - and it's the only way to accurately represent both sides in the article. Sound like an adequate compromise? [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 02:54, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
{{indent}}I think you're being needlessly uptight about [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-gb/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/change-two-mythical-pokemon Keldeo/Shaymin] and the statement that "all Legendary Pokémon can be obtained in-game". (I say this realizing that the same could perhaps be said about my conviction that Deoxys must be either Legendary or Mythical. =P ) There are reasonable explanations why they're included in the Legendary Pokemon section. They could easily consider Mythical and Legendary Pokemon similar enough, and/or consider it too much of a hassle to make a whole separate Mythical section, that including them under Legendary is good enough for ''most'' users (perhaps not for at least one, plainly =P ). In any case, the Legendary section is still plainly the section for Legendary or Mythical Pokemon. You're taking it too far when you try to dismiss it entirely as ''any'' sort of evidence about Deoxys' status.

"One source must be wrong" is no more speculation than "Deoxys is neither Legendary nor Mythical". Both fly in the face of plain facts (plain "statements" by different sources vs all of Deoxys's Legendary- or Mythical-like characteristics). They are in fact both reasonable conclusions, that simply differ as a result of placing different value on different pieces of evidence.

I am loath to say Deoxys should be treated anything like Phione. (But I wouldn't stop it if people think it should be.) Someone else can comment on that. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:01, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
:If I would say, I'd say that make a conclusion based on 2 sources with different languages (wait, is the survey available in other language, too?) is not what we should always do, because of the localization or something (I don't know why, but the survey even says Dialga, Palkia and Giratina ''are'' a pair).

:About the Shaymin/Keldeo page, it clearly says "Change Two Mythical Pokémon!" and "The Mythical Pokémon Shaymin and Keldeo can change their appearance...", so I agree that it weird when you said about all Legendary can be obtain in ORAS (also, "between XY and ORAS", not "in ORAS"). And after all, maybe it's not so unreliable like you said, maybe it just whoever at TPC categorize the site thinks that "Mythical" is a subset category of "Legendary" (like what I always thought before last week).

:And about treating Deoxys like Phione, I think we should just write the debates in the trivia sections (at both this page and {{p|Deoxys|Deoxys's page}}) as normal. I think it's not worth making things as serious as Phione. We should ask more people about this. --[[User:Yen01|Yen01]] ([[User talk:Yen01|talk]]) 04:56, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
::If other Pokémon that we know aren't Legendary are in the section, it ''can't'' be used as evidence that something else in it is Legendary, regardless of what you speculate they may have been thinking - they made an error in a nearly identical situation, and without verification, we can't be sure that Deoxys' placement isn't another, and we certainly can't use it as proof of anything. I'm not being "uptight" about it; it's an error and the source can't be used for proof if it contains other false information. We can put a trivia point saying "Deoxys was called Legendary on the ORAS website" like how we mention the '''errors''' in spelling Jessie's name by different sources. That said, again, it ''is'' debated, with conflicting official sources. Which really is the same as Phione, minus the fact that Deoxys has ''fan-designated'' traits associated with Legendary Pokémon and Phione has ''fan-designated'' traits associated with non-Mythical Pokémon. Deoxys' status is debated and there is conflict between official sources. You've said so yourself. Phione's status is also debated and there is conflict between official sources. ''Why'' is Deoxys' situation different from Phione's and ''why'' should they be treated differently?
::Yen01, I did mean between XY and ORAS. Didn't realize I only mentioned ORAS in that retelling of the information. Sorry! Also, I'm not using sources from different languages. Both of the sources ''I'' presented were Japanese; other people were bringing up the survey and the English site, but I've been using a consistent language when bringing up new points, and going only by the sources from one language, I have explained why Deoxys is not Legendary and not Mythical. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 05:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
:::Don't try to downplay the commonalities among Legendary and/or Mythical Pokemon by calling them "fan-designated". They are not, as that implies, ''made up'' by fans. It doesn't matter if no official source has explicitly defined those characteristics in writing; they don't need to. They have manifestly created those "Legendary" and "Mythical" Pokemon and/or the games such that those Pokemon have common characteristics that are readily identifiable by anyone moderately familiar with the games. That is not "fan-designated", that's just being observant. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:32, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
::::All pseudo-Legendaries were dual-typed and that was considered not only an observation, but a rule. Then Goodra came. Pseudo-Legendary is referred to not only as a fan term but a flexible one despite being a pattern of Pokémon specifically designed to have common characteristics readily identifiable by most fans. "Being observant" and using basic logic to solve something like this ''is'' speculation and assumption, which, no matter how obvious it is, can't be put on Bulbapedia. This is a site that still doesn't consider Zygarde a member of the Mortality Trio because it's not confirmed. Deoxys' status as Legendary or Mythical is, as of ORAS, just as inconclusive as Phione's, and no amount of ''your opinion'' on what makes a Pokémon "deserve" the status can change that. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 06:56, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::I think the English site including Deoxys and Mythical Pokémon under "Legendary Pokémon" can just be marked down to an error; we have ample evidence that Legendary and Mythical Pokémon are mutually-exclusive groups from both English and Japanese sources.
:::::"pseudo-Legendary" is a fan term to describe a pattern in Pokémon. I had always argued that "dual-typed" was merely a coincidence and not a critical part of the pattern. Regardless, they were never officially defined as a group, so their parameters were always fan-designated, whereas "Mythical Pokémon" has been officially defined. The two are not comparable.
:::::I think it's entirely reasonable to handle Deoxys like Phione at present. Both are permitted in the upcoming "Circle of Legends" tournament, which only permits Legendary and Mythical Pokémon, despite us having conflicting evidence about their status as Mythical Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:03, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::You are as wrong as it is possible to be that I am speculating, EpicDeino. I am indeed assuming, but so are you and so is anyone who won't just shrug and say "I don't know". Lacking an explicit and unambiguous statement one way or another, that's all it is ''possible'' to do, in the end; look at all your evidence, weigh it, and draw your own, personal conclusion/opinion. You're no more special than I in that regard. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:06, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Snorlax, I meant in regards to Legendary Pokémon. I know Mythical has fixed criteria. Sorry; it wasn't clear in that post, but when I said "fan-designated traits associated with non-Mythical Pokémon," I meant things like breedability that ''weren't'' official criteria and people were just assuming. I have mentioned the official distinction between Mythical and normal previously, and was trying (albeit very vaguely) to illustrate the point that any requirements that ''are'' fan-designated (that is, anything else) aren't actually relevant.
:::::::I am also aware that pseudo-Legendary is a fan group, and I was comparing the fact that fans claim ''that'' pattern is deliberate on Game Freak's part and entirely consistent to the fact that they also claim that the traits shared by Legendary Pokémon (which are, unlike Mythical Pokémon, really ''only'' bound by official statement of their status - there is no official statement of the traits that "make" a Legendary) are deliberate on Game Freak's part and entirely consistent, the latter of which was being used to say that Deoxys "deserved" the status more than Phione and being used as an argument against treating them similarly.
:::::::Tiddlywinks, may I ask why you claim I'm acting as if ''I'm'' "special?" You have cited fan-designated "rules" for Legendaries - and I've explained why fan-designated "rules" have changed in the past for other patterns that fans picked up on by being "observant" - and said "it deserves the status" and that it seems "intuitive" that it would be one of them, both of which are blatantly opinionated, along with citing exactly one source. You've also repeatedly disregarded the statements that I've made, saying that they are "contradictory" when they go hand in hand with one another and are from a consistent and accurate source, and that they prove ''nothing'' simply because they prove the two halves of the point separately rather than simultaneously... which means absolutely nothing about their validity. You've also said I'm being "needlessly uptight" about a factual error that conclusively proves a source's unreliability, then provided yet more speculation in the form of ''your idea of why the error might have happened,'' as if that makes it any less of an error. Common mistake ≠ not a mistake. Understandable mistake ≠ not a mistake. In contrast to all of your speculation, assumptions and allegedly "logical" statements that ''contradict'' facts, I've exclusively cited actual evidence and used ''no'' opinionated statements as reasoning, and I have proven - repeatedly - that the only source of ''real evidence'' you have brought up is unreliable. Despite this, I'm ''still'' trying to settle for the lesser option of acknowledging the debate on the page and treating it like Phione ''instead of'' trying to press my own stance, which seems to be what the majority of official evidence points towards, and having the page flat-out state that it's not Legendary or Mythical as I originally desired. There is still ''no proof'' that it is Legendary or Mythical, except for ''one'' categorization in a list that is ''already'' erroneous and therefore unreliable, while there is conclusive proof from a separate source that does ''not'' actively contradict itself. I still fail to see why you think your argument holds as much weight as mine, let alone that I must see myself as "special" - a case of ''ad hominem'' that has nothing to do with the argument, which is often frowned upon in the average debate almost as much as saying that the fact that it's not Legendary and the fact that it's not Mythical don't prove that it isn't Legendary or Mythical (how can something not be Legendary or Mythical, but... still be one of those things?) - for not being totally sold on the opinions, factually invalid "logic," patterns and invalid sources you've used to present your case. Just saying. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 10:46, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::::You're misunderstanding me greatly if you think I want to treat Deoxys unfairly. I never said that Doexys and Phione should not be treated similarly. I only said that I am (very much personally/selfishly) loath to ''endorse'' treating Deoxys like Phione. I very explicitly meant to leave open the possibility that it was/is the right thing to do; however, *I* simply did not want to be the one to validate that. The sole reason for that sentiment is that I would ''much'' rather have a solid answer than endorse another "Well, gee, we're not really sure, so let us show you a bunch of bits and pieces of info, and just have a think on it yourself..." in the mainspace. But, as I said, if it ''is'' the right thing to do, then I have ''no intention'' of gainsaying that; of ''insisting'' that Deoxys be treated "unfairly".
::::::::My quandry comes down to this... I don't think it should be radical to say that it would be a ''drastic'' action to officially strip a Legendary or Mythical Pokemon of those titles. (I really don't care if you think this is "just" opinion.) Given that, I think it is unconscionable to claim that this is what happened without a very explicit and unambiguous statement that that is exactly the case. We do not have that.
::::::::There did used to be a [[Pokémon.com#Mailbag|Mailbag]]. Is there no way to ask someone officially now whether Deoxys is officially a Legendary, or a Mythical, or perhaps neither?
::::::::Also, FWIW, "You're no more special than I", i.e., "You and I are basically ''equals''" is not ad hominem. I just wrote it that way for a bit of (I feel) poetic flair or something. I think if you read it consistently with my statement there, it ''should'' come off as just saying "Hey, we both have opinions, and it's natural for you to think you're right, but please don't try to say I'm being wildly unreasonable (i.e., speculating)." I don't care if you think I am unreasonable (i.e., reasoning wrong), because I certainly think you are in places, but I think that to label my reasoning speculation is, itself, unreasonable. =P
::::::::(I could also try to state more clearly now why I'm reasonable—to answer your questions above of why I'm seeming to be "illogical"—but I really don't like long talk page posts and it really isn't sounding like I'm going to convince you of the merits of my arguments, or even that my logic ''is'' "logical" and not ''just'' opinion or speculation, so I kind of think it's pointless.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:11, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Oh yeah, as SnorlaxMonster mentioned above: "Both [Deoxys and Phione] are permitted in the upcoming "Circle of Legends" tournament, which only permits Legendary and Mythical Pokémon". Is that good enough for you? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::"Phione is a usable Pokémon in the recently announced Rotation Battle tournament Circle of Legends where only Legendary and Mythical Pokémon are allowed." That's already mentioned on Phione's page - in the "evidence for" section, which, along with the "evidence against" section, ''still exists'' in Trivia in spite of this evidence. Bulbapedia has clearly deemed it insufficient proof for Phione, so it's insufficient proof for Deoxys. The "other" section of Phione's page also points out "Originally, Phione was not needed in order to complete the National Pokédex, as with other Mythical Pokémon. However, beginning with Pokémon X and Y, it is needed to qualify for the diploma." This is the same as Deoxys. It also mentions the mailbag, which not only changed its answer and therefore wasn't even included to favor a specific side, but nothing like which currently exists as far as I know. Not an option right now. From the survey and the Pokédex, we know it's not Mythical, so that just leaves the dispute between Legendary and neither. You've cited the Circle of Legends tournament - which is still being listed on the page ''as part of the dispute'' and not conclusive evidence in Phione's case - against the Japanese official site - which has not been proven unreliable, either, and should be considered equal. Two conflicting sources. Notice, also, that most of Phione's evidence is from different games. Deoxys has only had one game since the conflict started, so it makes sense that there would be less evidence, but an official source outside of games (the guide in Phione's case and the Japanese site in Deoxys') and the Circle of Legends tournament (for both) contradict each other in the same way. So, Deoxys is not Mythical - we even have ''in-game'' proof - and we have conflicting evidence from official sources that contradict each other on whether or not they were Legendary. Still in the same scenario as Phione. If you don't want to "be the one to endorse" that they should be treated the same, why? There's equal evidence for both sides. The scenario is the same - you're just saying that ''you personally don't want them to be treated the same'' regardless, simply because you'd rather have a clear official statement - which we don't have right now and can't get. When and if we get official confirmation of exactly what Deoxys is, we can change the page to say so. But Phione hasn't gotten that after eight years of being around, so that's utterly absurd - we cannot wait until ''something that may never happen'' before we address the fact that a Pokémon now listed as Mythical is NOT Mythical (that much, at least, hasn't been argued against once in this entire debate, and ''that'' is what the page currently '''falsely''' states), is either Legendary or normal and that there ''is'' conflicting evidence between official sources as to which of the two possibilities it is. ''This is no different from Phione.'' And while Deoxys may have less evidence, it has less ''for both sides,'' because the dispute hasn't existed for as long.
:::::::::Side note: Yes, "you're no more special than I" does mean "you and I are equals." It also, unlike the presented alternative, contains many implications that are not only rude but, in this scenario, false (unless you care to explain why they're true, which the bottom of your post suggests you don't plan on doing) - "you're no more special than I" clearly states that the other person ''thinks'' he or she ''is'' more special carries the implication that they're acting in a biased (which more accurately describes some of ''your'' arguments, such as "it deserves the status"), entitled, or otherwise narcissistic or selfish manner. They have the same meaning, but "you're no more special than I" has much harsher (and, yes, insulting) connotations. It's not "poetic;" it's rude.
:::::::::Last thing: how is it unreasonable for me to call your speculation what it is? I'll gladly admit I'm wrong ''if you explain why I am.''
:::::::::There's no valid reason not to simply treat it like Phione when the only proof you have is ''shared by Phione'' and the alternative you've requested ''isn't possible right now.'' [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 22:57, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::You are having considerable trouble understanding me, when I thought I was being very clear. Read this and take it to heart, please: I am NOT trying to push that Deoxys should not be treated like Phione. I do not claim that there is conclusive evidence of anything for Deoxys. Please stop writing as if I am. I will ignore anything else from you for now until I believe you understand me on this. Thank you. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:06, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::You explicitly stated that despite not being against the idea, you refused to endorse it ''in favor of waiting for an official statement.'' I explained in my post why that's probably not an option.
:::::::::::Second, "Oh yeah, as SnorlaxMonster mentioned above: "Both [Deoxys and Phione] are permitted in the upcoming "Circle of Legends" tournament, which only permits Legendary and Mythical Pokémon". '''Is that good enough for you?'''" Considering that this was in the same post that you said you wanted to deal with the issue when we got an official statement, this sounded an awful lot like an attempt at proving it was conclusively Legendary, particularly the last sentence. I only reacted to exactly what you said here.
:::::::::::Third, you're now using "I'm going to ignore you" as a way to avoid the other part of my post: you still haven't explained how the majority of your argument was anything but speculation, with your statements of "it deserves it," "it has common traits of Legendaries" and the like being absolutely opinionated and your previous insistence that people weren't on the same page and the evidence I presented was void when two pieces of evidence that ''didn't'' contradict one another supported the opposite side simply because ''you thought it must be an error for Deoxys not to be Legendary or Mythical'' after defending a source I criticized for already being wrong about something. You can't say I'm the one being biased and acting entitled or "special" when you have previously - in this same debate - tried to ignore perfectly valid evidence because it contradicted ''what you wanted at that point in the argument''. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 03:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::1)You seem to believe here that it is critical that you convince me of this, as if I am somehow stopping you or anyone else. Let me repeat myself: I take no part in that decision, in any way. (If you think I have, you mistake me.) Decide it with others (or yourself).
::::::::::::2) I'm sorry if it sounded like I thought it was a conclusive, official statement. That's not really the case. What I meant was, you had denounced the other things I had attempted to give you as valid evidence that Deoxys was Legendary or Mythical (either you think I'm speculating or you think it's unreliable); so, would you consider the tournament a valid piece of evidence that Deoxys is Legendary or Mythical? (I don't ask you to be convinced that Deoxys is Legendary or Mythical. I'm only asking that you recognize it as validly contradicting the conclusion you've held so far (when you've so far claimed that nothing I've brought up can), that Deoxys is neither Legendary nor Mythical; a smidgen of reasonable doubt, in short.)
::::::::::::3) Understand that "It has common traits of Legendaries" (Deoxys and indisputably Legendary Pokemon share certain traits that other Pokemon (not counting Mythicals) do not have) is not opinion, it is fact. What you mean is, you do not accept that there are any traits (short of officially being given the title) that define a Legendary Pokemon. Which is fine. But it does not mean Deoxys does not have those traits. Those commonalities cannot be wished away; the only point where you have choice (opinion) is in the conclusion you make from them. (FWIW, you also throw out a quote of me of "It deserves it" like it's something separate, but that's actually squarely based on Deoxys' Legendary traits. ...The rest, I can't really bring anything new to. I have explained and you've rejected; I'm comfortable with it being a simple difference of opinion.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:19, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
(Resetting indent.)
1) Okay. I just figured I might as well explain it anyway, since the purpose of this discussion is to get a consensus and you said you would prefer an official statement even though that's not an option.
2) Ah, sorry for misunderstanding. Then yes, that is a valid point that should definitely be brought up somewhere (after all, it is with Phione).
3) My dispute with that quote was more or less that I interpreted what you were saying as making it off as some kind of "rule" when other patterns that fans claimed were deliberate and consistent later changed.
But considering your last post, I do understand your stance and... basically don't think there's anything to argue with you about any more? I apologize for misunderstanding some of your statements and probably coming off as rude in how I reacted to them (especially given that I was wrong in the first place). Thank you for the clarification! [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 05:36, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
:You're welcome. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:05, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
::I'm adding a little thing to this discussion: ORAS take place in another dimension/universe/whatever, right? Well, in that dimension Deoxys is Legendary, while in the previous one it's Mythical. This is only a possible explanation of the vague classification we have now from Game Freak/TPC, it should by no means be included in any page, but I thought it could be interesting to add to your conversation. In this way, there is no "change of classification" from Mythical to Legendary (or "other"): it simply is another world with its own classification. [[User:Shepeedy|Shepeedy]] ([[User talk:Shepeedy|talk]]) 22:25, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
:::I all but laughed out loud when I happened to notice this... It turns out that Deoxys is actually explicitly called a "Mythical Pokemon" in-game. I'm not sure if there are any Youtube videos that explicitly show this, but if you return to the second floor of the Mossdeep Space Center after clearing the Delta Episode, there's a small dialogue event where it happens. If you look up the text dump, you can see it there, or of course you can test it yourself directly in-game.
:::IMO, if they've said it explicitly in-game (perhaps especially if it's in-game), then Deoxys ''is'' Mythical, even if the supposed definition of "Mythical" seems to contradict that classification. (I kind of think that in order to contradict this, TPC/whatever might have to either explicitly state that Deoxys is "''not'' a Mythical Pokemon" or they'll have to explicitly say/show that Deoxys is Legendary (or common) with some consistency.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:40, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
::::This is the quote for future reference:
::::''"Extrapolating from the energy readings we observed seems to show evidence of the '''Mythical Pokémon''' that lives in space: Deoxys."''
::::And in the Japanese version:
::::「われわれの　かんそくしたエネルギーは　から　すいそく　するにそれは　うちゅうに　せいそく　すると　いわれる '''まぼろしの　ポケモン'''―――デオキシス」
::::The only other times the word Mythical is used in ORAS is during the Diancie Pokémon Center event and in the Volcanion TV specials. Legendary is only used in ORAS to refer to Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, someone's wife, when you have more than three in your party for a competition, and in the Pokédex entries for the birds, tao trio, and Yveltal. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 21:34, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::Pfft, wow. I cannot believe I didn't know about that.
:::::Well, I'm kind of embarrassed right now. XD I can't exactly argue with the game itself explicitly stating that it's Mythical, so... Yeah, I guess it is. :'D [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 02:30, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

'''Deoxys is not allowed to join player's team in the next year as the world tournament, so I think the answer is obvious.''' [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 07:08, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
:Not necessarily. If I remember right not long before/after Diancie was officially revealed there was a tournament that let you use any Pokémon except Diancie. I think the reason for that is obvious: it was officially revealed but was not yet distributed but people still had it through hacking. My point with that is that they can ban Pokémon from tournaments for practically any reason. So it's not impossible that it's banned because it used to be a Mythical Pokémon. I'm just trying to make a point and am actually neutral on the situation. And either way I consider Mythical Pokémon to be a type of Legendary Pokémon so to me it wouldn't be part of completely separate group either way.[[User:Flain|Flain]] ([[User talk:Flain|talk]]) 21:46, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

== More? ==
Is there some logic that with some legendary pokemon there are more than one in anime(for example: Latios, Lugia), and with some only one (Mew, Tornados)? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]), 19:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

:No legendary is unique. Think about it. If it were unique, if one dies, the species goes extinct. That should have happened a long time ago if they were unique. We haven't seen ALL of Dialga's or Palkia's dimensions, either. Same goes for Giratina and Arceus. We have only seen small sections of them. For all we know, these dimensions could have thousands or even MILLIONS of their respective species. And of course, there are multiple Mews: One flies throughout the world, while another is at the Tree of Beginning. For Mewtwo, both fly around the world. One has a more woman-like voice, and that one can Mega Evolve. I could go on all day, naming all the legendaries and saying why we know there is multiple, but I'm getting bored of typing this. [[User:TheRealArceus|TheRealArceus]] ([[User talk:TheRealArceus|talk]]) 16:47, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
::This discussion is more suited for the forums, so please take it over there.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 23:26, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

== Is Zygarde a Member of the Mortality Duo?(Therefore making it the Mortality Trio) ==

Look at it this way. Kyurem was the final member of the Tao trio. Giratina was the final member of the Creation Trio and Rayquaza was the trump card in the Weather Trio. If Game Freak has taught me anything its that the same formula works most of the time.[[User:PastureGaiPokemon12|PastureGaiPokemon12]] ([[User talk:PastureGaiPokemon12|talk]]) 23:04:18 7 August,2015(UTC)
:There's nothing that actually calls it a member of the Mortality Duo, therefore it is not listed as such. [[User:Litwick96|Litwick]][[User Talk:Litwick96|96]] 20:33, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
::It most definitely is, considering the clues and patterns seen before, so it's pretty blatantly obvious that Zygarde is most definitely in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal. I will say that it definitely fits the pattern with Rayquaza, Giratina, and Kyurem, and there are a few clues with Zygarde being related to Xerneas and Yveltal. That being said, even though the clues make it obvious that Zygarde is related to Xerneas and Yveltal, it's not explicitly stated in X and Y and is therefore unconfirmed, which is why it is not listed as being in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal. So in short, wait until we get an announcement of the inevitable Pokemon Z before we do anything with listing Zygarde as being in a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal. [[User:ScraftyIsTheBest|ScraftyIsTheBest]] ([[User talk:ScraftyIsTheBest|talk]]) 01:31, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Zygarde is known as the Order Pokemon while Xerneas and Yveltal are Peace and Chaos respectively (I think), Its like Rayquaza all over again. Balance is needed so we have Zygarde.([[User talk:PastureGaiPokemon12|talk]])
:Unless it is explicitly stated, Zygarde is not part of any trio. Yes, it's quite obvious, but we have no official confirmation (from the game or the anime) that it is part of a trio. Giratina was not considered part of a trio '''until''' Platinum was released, Kyurem was not considered part of a trio '''until''' Black2/White2 were released. So it's the same situation here, we will have to wait for a game to be released that will confirm its relation with Xerneas/Yveltal.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:23, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
::There does seem to be some official evidence pointing towards them being a trio. Specifically:
::*I haven't played Rumble World in a while, so this is from someone else, but apparently you need to get ''all three'' of them to unlock a Title, in exactly the same manner as every other Legendary Trio. (For reference, this Title is "Aura Traveler"). '''This is the strongest piece of evidence''' in that an actual game, albeit a side game, '''explicitly considers them a trio.''' and, in doing so, affects actual gameplay. Other trios (Super-Ancient Pokémon, Creation Trio, and Tao Trio at the very least) are treated exactly the same as this trio.
::*CoroCoro explicitly compares Zygarde to Xerneas and Yveltal in the latest issue. Although it is only in terms of power, they singled out those two even though plenty of other Legendaries have exactly the same stat total. This is fairly tenuous, but they explicitly compared it to the very two Pokémon already considered a trio in Rumble World.
::*All three have Aura-based Abilities, and Zygarde's directly interacts with those of Xerneas and Yveltal.
::Not sure how much of a difference this makes, but considering actual in-game ties between exclusively Zygarde and Xerneas or Yveltal (their Abilities), comparisons between this trio and only this trio ''in CoroCoro,'' and an actual ''game'' considers them a trio, I think that it's been officially confirmed and not being made up by fans. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 23:23, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:::Hello? I don't even care if the answer is yes or no, but there ''needs'' to be an answer. Bulbapedia's policy is that we're not allowed to change the page until discussion, and apparently even the fact that nobody is presenting a counterargument isn't enough, so people ''need to discuss'' whether they agree or not or nothing is ever going to get done. So... BUMPing this? (Is that the right term here?) [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 00:23, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
::::ForceFire's response above still applies. In short: ''just wait''. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 03:05, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

:::::It is pretty obvious, besides it will likely be confirmed by early or late next year.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]07:29, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::ForceFire's response said to wait ''until we have proof.'' Rumble World recognizes them as a trio. How is that not proof
:::::: Again, I'm fine if that's not good enough, but at least respond to the evidence instead of saying a post ''from before there was any whatsoever'' that said ''to wait until there was any whatsoever'' still applies. Right now, evidence for consists of a side game and evidence against consists of "there is no evidence for," which is currently no longer true, although admittedly Rumble World IS relatively minor even if it is in-game proof. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 09:02, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
:::::::From what you wrote above, it sounds like Rumble World only ''implies'' they're a trio. If Rumble World's treatment of trios is not something that they have plainly said, "This is something we will only do for trios", it does not amount to proof, it is only supportive evidence. We need something ''explicit'' (clear, unarguable, unopinionated). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 09:30, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

(reset indent)As Tiddly said it only implies, until something from CoroCoro or any official source has confirmation that they are a trio (which again is obvious) it should be left unchanged.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
:"a set or group of three people or things."
:How does ''grouping'' them and only them together for an achievement only "imply" that they are a group? We can always take it off if there's any counterevidence, but we legitimately have them ''as a group'' in a game. [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:42, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

::Just be patient.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]04:58, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
:::We're not talking about just "groups". A "group" does not a "trio" make (''not'' all by itself). Trios are a special relationship, and nothing so far has plainly testified to such a relationship.
:::You missed a very important point in my previous response: ''"If Rumble World's treatment of trios is not something that they have plainly said, 'This is something we will only do for trios', it does not amount to proof"''. Right now, you are ASSUMING that because they are grouped, that means they must be a Legendary Trio. But in truth, you have not shown that being in that group MUST mean they are a Legendary trio; you have only shown that it is ''reasonable''. That is not sufficient. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:21, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
::::First: I just gave the ''actual definition of trio.'' If they are a group of exactly three, ''they are a trio,'' and Rumble World makes it clear that they are a group of three.
::::Second: Have the others even been called Legendary Trios? We say it's "reasonable" to group Dialga, Palkia and Giratina because they're all Sinnoh mascots. But are they ''officially called'' Legendary Trios? Last I checked, that's not even an official term.
::::So I honestly don't know why having ''identical treatment to every other thing we group as a Legendary Trio'' is insufficient. Nor why people keep saying "be patient" as if I'm just saying "it's logical, why don't you idiots see it" without providing ''in-game proof that they are a group.'' (And yes, I've seen people say that and people have responded in exactly the same way. You're missing the fact that YES, I'm providing PROOF that EXPLICITLY considers them a trio. A trio that is made of Legendaries. How does that "not a Legendary trio make?") [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 05:12, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:::::All I feel capable of saying anymore is...just wait. Staff fairly plainly don't intend to acknowledge it yet. (Plainly enough, they're waiting for "Pokemon Z", or, as ForceFire said, something in the anime.) So. If there is ''any'' chance anyone can persuade you anymore, I imagine it will have to be staff. Sorry I wasn't able to shed enough light on things. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 06:00, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

{{indent}} Just to intervene. Rumble does group them, but that's all it does. It doesn't shed light on how they're related. The Aura based abilities is really the only concrete thing so far. Currently, and hopefully, the new anime series will probably connect the three or a new game will be revealed in the upcoming months. So, be patient. If you can wait for ORAS to be released, then you can wait for them to release whatever comes next.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 06:10, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

== Pokemon Center Deoxys ==

According to the Pokèmon Center website, Deoxys is a legendary Pokèmon, not a mythical one.
source: http://www.pokemoncenter.com/info/Pokemon_Characters
The legendary Pokèmon list includes Mewtwo, Lugia, Regirock, Latias, Latios, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Deoxys, Xerneas, and Yveltal.
The mythical Pokèmon list includes Mew, Jirachi, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Victini, and Diancie. Note that the image for mythical Pokèmon also shows Genesect.

Because in-game text in ORAS refers to Deoxys as mythical, should we include this as a contradiction, or perhaps as an error? [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 01:16, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
:I've noted this in the trivia section, just as it was added to Deoxys' page. If anyone objects to this, please let me know. [[User:Pacack|ᗧ•••ᗣ Pacack]] 16:10, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

== Wait, What Happened To The Movie Trivia? ==

It had been there forever. I don't remember the exact wording and stuff, but the general gist went like this. And I updated it to match what we've seen as of XY&Z, as well as M18.

*Ho-Oh is the only Johto Legendary to not be featured in the movies or an anime arc outside of cameos. Lugia was in "The Power Of One", Entei was in "Spell Of The Unown" and Celebi and Suicune were in "Pokémon 4Ever". Raikou was featured in both "The Legend Of Thunder", as well as "Zoroark: Master Of Illusions" alongside Entei, Suicune and Celebi.
**Cresselia and Phione are the only Sinnoh Legendaries to not be featured in the movies or anime arcs. Mesprit, Azelf and Uxie were prominent in the Diamond & Pearl anime, Dialga and Palkia starred alongside Darkrai in "The Rise Of Darkrai", Manaphy starred in "Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea", Arceus and Heatran starred in "Arceus and the Jewel of Life" and Shaymin and Giratina starred alongside Regigigas in "Giratina and the Sky Warrior". However, Cresselia did have a cameo in "Giratina And The Sky Warrior", and both Legendaries have had standalone anime episodes.
**Volcanion is the only Kalos Legendary to not be featured in a movie or the anime, though it will be in the upcoming 19th movie. Xerneas, Yveltal and Diancie starred in "Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction", Hoopa starred in "Hoopa and the Clash of Ages", and Zygarde is the focus of the "XY&Z" anime.
**All Kanto, Hoenn and Unova legendaries have had prominent roles in movies or anime arcs.
--[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 20:34, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
:The user who removed it did so because Groudon appeared in M18, though that applied to Groudon's point not the whole trivia. I've only added back Ho-oh since the time taken makes it notable, Gen IV still has five Pokémon left rather than just one while Gen V is still recent.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:30, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

== Separating Article ==

Is there a reason we have not separated this article into two separate articles on Legendary and Mythical Pokémon? There has been a clear distinction made at this point, and I see little reason not to make the split. The only potential disagreement I can forsee is on Deoxys, but we could include a footnote in this article and solve that relatively easily.

I can begin drafting the Mythical Pokémon article if there are no objections and if no one else has already. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 17:13, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

:I have created a draft of the Mythical Pokémon page on my userpage. Please look at it and offer criticisms and feel free to edit. I had some trouble with the images, but I believe the current layout is as aesthetically appealing as it can be without breaking anything.

:Note that much of the information is repeated from this article, as it would be in the split itself. If you see any grammatical errors or missing information, please correct it in this article as well, as this was my source. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 18:30, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

::I honestly consider Mythical Pokémon to be a type of legendary Pokémon. So I don't see much reason too.[[User:Flain|Flain]] ([[User talk:Flain|talk]]) 05:33, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

:::We have confirmation against that, though. It has been stated by multiple sources that every Legendary Pokémon would be available between ORAS and X and Y, and yet no Mythical Pokémon were available. If Mythical Pokémon were indeed a subset, then that would not have been the case. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 02:23, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

::::I think it's better to keep the page as it is, most fans would collectively call both groups as Legendary pokemon.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]03:21, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

:::::That doesn't mean these fans are correct, though. The Mythical term has been consistently used for a very long time at this point, and we are meant to follow official sources, not just the majority. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 22:38, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

::::::I see no reason to split them up. Mythical Pokémon are in fact legendary Pokémon, just extremely rare legendary Pokémon. No one could possibly argue that Arceus is not in fact a legend despite being a myth, for example. --[[User:BlackButterfree|BlackButterfree]] ([[User talk:BlackButterfree|talk]]) 16:35, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

:::::::Note that this page defines Mythical Pokémon as "a related but separate group of Pokémon" from Legendary Pokémon. Mythical Pokémon are '''not''' a subset of Legendary Pokémon, but rather a related group.

:::::::Also note that the capitalization is important in "Legendary Pokémon" and "Mythical Pokémon." Legendary Pokémon can be featured in myths as well as legends, and Mythical Pokémon are sometimes the subject of legends (Arceus included). In that sense, "Legendary" Pokémon can be "mythical" and "Mythical" Pokémon can be "legendary." What ultimately defines a Pokémon as Mythical has to do with said Pokémon's exposure during regular gameplay, whether or not they are revealed with the rest of their generation, and whether they are necessary to complete the Pokédex.

:::::::If you'd like to know more, I'm currently working with another user to complete a draft for the Mythical Pokémon article [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Ash_Pokemaster/Mythical_Pok%C3%A9mon], which we'll present to senior members of the wiki for approval along with a new Legendary Pokémon article. [[User:Pacack| '''Pa'''ᗧ•••ᗣ'''ck''' ]] 21:21, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

::I will continue to cite North American ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U'' in order to oppose any splitting efforts, despite probably being in the minority on this issue. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 04:52, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)? [[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:44, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:Okay I feel this something that needs to be asked, do you even know what a deity is?[[User:Flain|Flain]] ([[User talk:Flain|talk]]) 21:16, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

== Legendary v. Mythical: A Solution for Everyone? ==

I noticed that the page has been split in two, and after reviewing the Legendary and Mythical Pokemon debate, I thought of a solution that might make everyone happy. Some people, including me, come to this page to seek information on ''both'' Legendary and Mythical Pokemon. But there is a notable difference, so that poses a counter argument. I propose that we re-combine the two pages, but rename the page to "Legendary and Mythical Pokemon", while noting the difference between Legendary and Mythical, as well as stating which ones are Legendary and which ones are Mythical in their respective summaries. This would also solve the issue of Legendary Families being split (i.e. Mew Duo, Swords of Justice). Any links to the Legendary or Mythical pages would have to redirect here. If we can all agree on this, I can start recombining them, although I'm new to editing Wikis. [[User:TheRubberGuy|TheRubberGuy]] ([[User talk:TheRubberGuy|talk]]) 21:45, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think recombining them is a good idea since the Pokemon Company itself now treats them as separate groups. Given a choice between precision and convenience, I really think we need to prioritize precision, or else we risk implying (or worse, actively providing) false information. Anyway, we already give a link to [[Mythical Pokémon]] in the very second sentence, along with an explanation of why the groups are now treated as separate, so it ought to be plenty clear to readers. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 22:53, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

== Changes to legendary definition ==

Since Sun and Moon came out, which included a legendary Pokémon which evolves (Cosmog -> Cosmoem -> Solgaleo/Lunala), shouldn't we edit that in that legendaries can evolve now? Also, with this change of definition, will Type:Null and Silvally be considered legendary?

Would the Ultra Beasts also be considered legendary, even though some of them you can get more than one?

If these changes happen, I propose a new definition: "A Legendary Pokémon is a Pokémon that is only available in limited amounts in normal gameplay and cannot breed to create more of the same species." --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 13:17, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
:Type:Null and Silvally are more of a case of artificial pokemon like porygon, where it is possible to make more of them. The Ultra Beasts are kinda mysterious at the moment, making it hard to define whether they belong as legendaries or pokemon from another dimension like unown.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]13:25, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
::I think we should be thinking about it from a gameplay standpoint, not from a lore one. The fact is there is only one Type:Null available in the game, only one Nihilegos, two Buzzwoles, four Pheromosas, etc. And if you do want to think about it from a lore standpoint - Mewtwo is both artificial and Legendary, and Giratina is a Pokémon that is both legendary and from a different dimension.

::I'm not going to state my personal opinion on the matter but I would like input and/or discussion from mods. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 13:35, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't have my game on hand right now so I can't cite the exact colors, but if you look in the Alola Pokedex, the Legendaries (Cosmog's evolutionary line, Necrozma, and Zygarde) appear with one background color; the ordinary Pokemon appear with another; and there's a third background color for the Ultra Beasts, Type:Null, Silvally, and the Tapus. I think it's clear that the developers have intended to create a separate group for these that is not Legendary, but until we have an official name for it we probably can't really implement it. In any case, it's amply clear that the developers do not intend these as Legendaries.
:::Gameplay vs. lore should not, in my opinion, be a discussion that even comes into play when Word Of God trumps both. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:16, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
::::I noticed it too but always thought both were legendaries. Would this potentially retcon the legendary status of older Pokémon, like Uxie, Tornadus, or Registeel? --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 14:22, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::Impossible to know unless Pokemon Bank provides some similar visual indication when it's updated in January, since there's no National Dex and those Pokemon don't appear in the Alola Dex. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:30, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::That would be ridiculous if they did. Personally I think blue means non-legendary, green(?) is a legendary, and rainbow is a special legendary (the box legends and Mythicals). If a green page means non-legendary too, that would mean the Tapus would not be legendary, which I don't think is up for debate. But it's really the mods' decision. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 16:46, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::How are the Tapus Legendary, much less not even up for debate? Game Freak has conspicuously avoided using the term "Legendary" for them, and now they have a different Pokedex color scheme. If Game Freak's going out of its way to avoid grouping them in as Legendaries, we shouldn't make that assumption even though the rest of fandom is. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, that was kind of rude of me. I'm sorry. But the general assumption right is that the Tapus are legendary. But you're right, we shouldn't assume things until the fanbase has a verdict that is agreed upon or until sufficient evidence is brought up. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 22:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

For now, why don't we use "Guardian deity" and "Ultra Beast" as unique, Legendary-like types of Pokémon? So have Nihilego listed as a Rock/Poison-type Ultra Beast, Tapu Koko as an Electric/Fairy-type Guardian deity, etc. We know that they are unique instances from normal Pokémon, so this is a way we can show that without assuming their Legendary status.

It is worth noting, though, that Cosmog's evolutionary line are Ultra Beasts, too. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:24, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
: I do like this option. Keeping it vague is really the only way to please everyone. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 22:38, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
:Here's my two cents. The easiest way to determine "Legendary"/"Mythical" is whether or not they're banned in certain game modes, in the case of Sun and Moon this would be the Battle Royal and Battle Tree. In Gen VII, Cosmog, Cosmoem, Solgaleo, Lunala, and Necrozma ''are'' banned. The Ultra Beasts are not. And I haven't tested, but it seems the Guardian deities are not. This seems to suggest that the deities and UBs are not legends, but some other classification. [[User:Schiffy|I don't even give a Schif]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 22:31, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
::The Legendary Beasts, Golems, Eon Duo, Pixies, and the like are not banned. I really think it should be up to the fans to decide, as most (cough cough) things are done here. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 22:36, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
:::We only "decide" if there's nothing canonical to go by. If canon exists, we can't and won't override it with something uncanonical. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
::::But the "canon" is debatable. The only reasons you've given that they are not legendary are an assumption about PokeDex colors and the lack of official material calling them legendary.
::::It is undeniable that they belong to a unique and special group. Let's leave it at that, and preferably go with my idea :P, until there's official word. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 06:16, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yes, I agree with your idea; I wasn't rebutting you, I was rebutting Celadonkey. Given the situation, not committing one way or the other on their Legendary status until Game Freak classifies them more specifically is probably best. Or at least, not committing one way or the other until Bulba staff make an executive decision on the matter. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:26, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/battle-today-using-the-2017-pokemon-vg-championships-format/ This article] states that no Legendary or Mythical Pokémon are legal in VGC 2017. The tapu and Ultra Beasts are both legal, whereas Cosmog and its evolutions as well as Zygarde are not. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:50, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Well, it says "Mythical and some Legendary Pokémon are not allowed," so that still doesn't really give evidence as to the Legendary status of any Pokémon that's allowed, at least as far as I can tell... [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:56, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Good catch! This is an issue that will require some thinking. We should probably wait a bit but that probably means there are some legendaries that are allowed. Probably. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 18:04, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh, they actually updated that article. When I saw it, it read "''No Mythical or Legendary Pokémon are allowed''". [http://archive.is/tIguO I archived the Google Cache as proof]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 18:13, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Also a good catch! I thought it said that too but wasn't sure. Wonder what this means. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 18:33, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::My gut instinct is that this indicates Nintendo itself (or at least, NOA) isn't sure which Pokémon Game Freak did and didn't intend to be Legendary. If they're still hashing that out among the corporate entities, then caution certainly seems to be the best course of action for us at the moment. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:41, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::I agree. Until anything else comes up, we leave everything vague. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 18:46, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
:It's worth noting that the GTS in Sun and Moon has the option to filter out requests for "Mythical and Legendary Pokémon". I don't have the Pokémon in my Pokédex to check myself, but I'm told that enabling this option also excludes Ultra Beasts, the tapus, and Type: Null/Silvally. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
::Interesting. So, what will the verdict be? Personally, I think we should wait a bit but I would like to see some of these Pokémon as legendary. Just my opinion though. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 02:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
So does this mean we now have new Pokemon class and groups just like the Legendary and Mythical? It sounds like those Pokemon are in their own group.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 01:14, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:That especially I'd hold off until. It's kind of out of the blue to create a new group like that and I wouldn't unless, or maybe ''even'', the Pokémon in question are very out of the ordinary. And even so, it's up to the mods. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 02:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Agreed, we should wait until official sources have directly accepted the UBs & Tapus as Legendaries or not.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]03:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Thats Pokemon for you, so many mystery and theories that Nintendo loves to give us.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 03:54, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, yet site like Serebii and Pokemon Wiki classified them as Legendaries. I wonder why?--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 18:47, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:Those are fan sites. It's very easy for them to be wrong. You shouldn't take what they say as truth unless there's proof. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:39, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

In the datamine, the Tapus and Ultra Beasts were listed as being Legendaries, albeit placed in the same listings as the Legendaries that are allowed to be used in battle facilities. I believe they were referred to in the code as being sublegends? Either way, SciresM has pictures of both lists up on his Twitter. [[User:Azureprism|Azureprism]] ([[User talk:Azureprism|talk]]) 21:38, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Interesting now that I think about it, some Legendary are allowed in battle facilities, same goes for Snivally. Hmm some maple are Hearten, , Regigigas, and Cresselia for example. a friend of ym optioned out in his own words "It's been like that since Gen 3. Pokemon with stats of 600 or higher are always banned from a battle facility, unless the 600 stats are from Psudo-Legendaries like Dragonite." There some exception to it. And the fact you can only encounter one in the wild (Even thought some Ultra Beats come in groups of 4), there is a possibility they are indeed and without a doubt Legendaries or Sub-Legendaries as Azureprism pointed out. Well, anything can happen, but I will leave up to you guys on your take of this.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 21:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:Could you link that? I don't believe you're wrong but I wouldn't like to see. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 23:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
::The Pokémon that are banned from battle facilities are [[Special Pokémon]] and [[Mythical Pokémon]] (whether Mythical Pokémon are Special Pokémon seems to be unclear). While only Legendary (and possibly Mythical) Pokémon can be Special Pokémon, not being a Special Pokémon has no bearing on whether a Pokémon is a Legendary Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:18, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

And yet some tournament allowed the sue of Special and Mythical?--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 01:52, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
:Some special online competitions have allowed Mythical Pokémon (and Special Pokémon), and some official tournaments and VGC formats allow Special Pokémon. I'm not sure what your point is. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:35, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that, Any Those Pokemon, Ultra Beats, Tapy, and the Stythetic Pokemon are the only Pokemon tha that the special abckgorudn and glitter thing in their Pokedex number like Zyagrd for example. Anyway. And if what Azureprism said is true, should they be counted as Legendaries or another class of Legendary Pokemon like the Myhtical (Ultra Beats, Tapu, Type: Null and Snilvally?

That's what this discussion was about in the first place. [[User:TechSkylander1518|TechSkylander1518]] ([[User talk:TechSkylander1518|talk]]) 02:48, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Indeed, hmm one I notice that they share with Legendaries is most of them you can only get one per save file, they were mention in legends in the past (The exception being the Synthetic Pokémon), extremely rare and powerful, unique powers. they have roles in Alola Region Lore and affecting it as seen with he Totem Pokemon, the some of them are protectors like the Swords of Justice, the Synthetic Pokémon was created just like Mewtwo and Gensect to be the Ultimate Weapon (For Ultra Beats) and the fact it was based on different types of Pokemon (Including Arecus), all of them can't breed and ar win the Undiscovered Egg Group as the other Legendaries, they are not easy to catch. My point is hopefully to help understand that these Poekmona re indeed Legendaries and they share many trait and heights common or associated with Legendaries and may possibly be in their own unique class. I hope this help the discussion. This my best way to help explain heir status as Legendaries or not. Hope you guys understand.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 03:06, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
:TechSkylander1518: It's worth noting that there are three different Pokédex backgrounds: The one used by Legendary and Mythical Pokémon; the one used by Ultra Beasts, the tapus, and Type: Null/Silvally; and the one used by everything else. If anything, I would say that the Pokédex indicates they aren't Legendary (but I think the GTS indicating that they are takes priority). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:26, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
::Jacob Kogan: With legendaries, you can only ''catch'' one per save file. You can obtain more by transferring Pokemon or by receiving a Mystery Gift. Furthermore, the reason you can only catch one is generally because there's supposed to only be one in the world-the Ultra Beasts and Synthetic Pokemon have all clearly shown there are more than one. (except, perhaps, Guzzlord) And you can catch more than one of UBs 2-4 per save file. And there are some Pokemon that you can only get one of in a game without breeding-would you consider fossil Pokemon, starters, or Snorlax to be legendaries? The Ultra Beasts are not mentioned in legends. I'm puzzled by your wording on "the exception being the Synthetic Pokemon". You tend to use that term to refer to Silvally and Type: Null, but they're not confirmed to be legendaries, you can't say they're the exception if we don't even know that rules relates to them. It is true that Mewtwo and Genesect were not mentioned in legends, however. Porygon can also change its type, and was created by human beings. That doesn't make it a legendary. A low catch rate and an Undiscovered Egg Group does ''not'' make a Pokemon a legendary. The Synthetic Pokemon aren't even caught, they're a gift. Again, not bringing this up to prove that they are or aren't legendaries, just to show--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 05:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC) that it's not something that will be solved through debate; we need official information. (''I had written this up before I saw SnorlaxMonster's reply-it becomes irrelevant pretty fast, I'm sorry'')

::SnorlaxMonster: I have noticed the different background, I've currently been taking that to mean that they are in a different class that might or might not be somehow related to Legendaries, but if the GTS calls them Legendaries, that definitely makes things a lot easier, both with wondering whether or not they are and with the possibility of a new classification. (I'm told I don't always get my point across clearly, so I'd like to clarify just in case-I'm not trying to act like I should be the one with the final say on their status, I'm just trying to say that I understand and agree with the GTS proving they are Legendaries) [[User:TechSkylander1518|TechSkylander1518]] ([[User talk:TechSkylander1518|talk]]) 03:35, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

So does this mean we finally solve it with the Ultra Beasts, Tapus, Type: Null and Silvally?--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 05:16, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I believe it does-we have official evidence, and SnorlaxMonster is a staff member, so they have enough authority to decide. (I'd add it in myself, but I'm not certain of everything necessary to make the changes-obviously there's the link to the Legendary Pokemon page on their pages, but I'm sure there's a lot more needed) [[User:TechSkylander1518|TechSkylander1518]] ([[User talk:TechSkylander1518|talk]]) 05:38, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Agree Tech, at last this debate has finally been settled--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 05:40, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

:The staff have decided that since the games don't explicitly refer to these Pokémon as Legendary, they should not be referred to as Legendary until and if an official source explicitly describes them as such. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 06:32, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

::Since SnorlaxMonster brought up the GTS, I'd like to share my two cents! He said that he can't confirm with certainty, but that he had been told that the tapu, Type: Null, Silvally and the Ultra Beasts were counted. After testing it, I can confirm this; there were many requests for them when I checked in-game with Legendaries and Mythicals included, and none remained when I said to exclude them. I can also confirm that it wasn't simply a matter of their having been traded already, as they reappeared when I set it to include them again. Again: ''confirming that the game explicitly includes them as Legendary or Mythical Pokémon for that purpose!'' Make of that what you will; I'm not going to say any more regardless, as it's been made clear that this is the staff's decision and I will contribute facts but not say what to do with them. XP [[User:EpicDeino|EpicDeino]] ([[User talk:EpicDeino|talk]]) 04:41, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

:::It's interesting that canon is being considered here given the large amounts of evidence that do exist in the canon for something like, say, Zygarde's very obvious trio status, end up being ignored in favour of conjecture. [[User:BeforeJam|BeforeJam]] ([[User talk:BeforeJam|talk]]) 15:19, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

== Tapu ==

The Tapu have unique battle themes, are fought late in the game, can only be encountered once, are pivotal to the story, are high leveled, are difficult-ish to catch, and have BSTs that are in the same general range as most legendaries. Wouldn't they qualify as legendary? {{unsigned|ChampionBlue}}
:That's a debate that was just finished right above this section. [[User:TechSkylander1518|TechSkylander1518]] ([[User talk:TechSkylander1518|talk]]) 05:38, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Pretty much TechSkylnader --[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 05:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
:None of the things listed by ChampionBlue are a reason to consider the tapu to be Legendary. Rotom meets a number of those conditions in Diamond and Pearl, for example. BSTs are unrelated to whether or not a Pokémon is Legendary (see Cosmog, for example). {{p|Oricorio}} has the same catch rate as {{p|Lunala}}, and {{p|Beldum}}'s is incredibly low.
:Which Pokémon are Legendary is solely determined by which Pokémon have been officially stated to be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:09, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

::Also, the Tapus were listed under normal Pokemon by Sun and Moon official site. Only Solgaleo and Lunala (which were the only legendaries revealed pre release) were listed under the 'Legendary' section. If Tapus were legendary, they too would've been listed under 'Legendary' section. [[User:PkmnTrainerV|The legendary PkmnTrainerV is Here!]] ([[User talk:PkmnTrainerV|talk]]) 08:00, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
:::I wanted to use the official site earlier, but currently the [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/ English site] isn't listing either Cosmog or Zygarde as Legendary Pokémon either. The [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/sun_moon/pokemon/ Japanese] and [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon-cn.com/tc/pokemon/ Chinese] sites give the tapu their own section (so I wouldn't take them not being in the Legendary section as evidence), but also don't call Cosmog a Legendary Pokémon. The [http://pokemonkorea.co.kr/sun_moon/pokemon Korean site] doesn't call either Cosmog or Zygarde Legendary, but also doesn't give Mythical Pokémon their own section. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:14, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
::: Even Ultra Beats were not considered Pokemon... [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 09:23, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
::::@SnorlaxMonster, pretty much what I was going to type.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]09:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::The official site never said they ''weren't'' Pokémon, but it never said they were either. Until the game was released (or perhaps more accurately, until the game leaked), we didn't know whether or not they were Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:25, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::In the GTS, the ultra beasts and tapu WILL NOT BE SHOWN if we choose not to include legendary and mystical pokemon in the option. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 15:33, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I just looked at this myself and can second this. On top of that, Type: Null and Silvally won't be shown either if you choose not to include Legendary and Mythical Pokemon in the requests from other Trainers. Does this count as a piece of evidence for the Tapus, Ultra Beasts, and Type: Null line being Legendaries? [[User:Nintendocan|Nintendocan]] ([[User talk:Nintendocan|talk]]) 02:16, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::::For the moment, I see no harm in adding the Tapus to the Legendary section. They can always be taken back out if their classification proves to be incorrect. [[User:UB00|UB00]] ([[User talk:UB00|talk]]) 07:20, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::That's not how we operate. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 07:51, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::In that case, we would best be served by making a "disputed Legendaries" subsection for the time being, as mentioned below. [[User:UB00|UB00]] ([[User talk:UB00|talk]]) 06:17, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::That was decided against as seen below - for a "disputed Legendaries" section we'd need a reason not to believe they are other than it wasn't stated against. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 13:39, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::I would declare the Tapus legendaries for the reasons stated above plus the fact that when you try to bring up their QR code it says "this is a special pokemon there is no QR code" --[[User:Gingerwithasoul|Gingerwithasoul]] ([[User talk:Gingerwithasoul|talk]]) 09:15, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::::It has never been officially stated that Pokémon that do not provide QR Codes in the Pokédex are Legendary. In fact, Magearna does not provide one and is not Legendary (being Mythical instead). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:52, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: here's some more evidence, the Tapus match Bulbapedia's definition of legendary pokemon "Legendary Pokémon are a group of incredibly rare and often very powerful Pokémon, generally featured prominently in the legends and myths of the Pokémon world." not to mention the game refers to them as "special pokemon" like every other legendary pokemon --[[User:Gingerwithasoul|Gingerwithasoul]] ([[User talk:Gingerwithasoul|talk]]) 10:02, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::As I just mentioned, in the context of lacking a QR Code in the Pokédex, "special Pokémon" is not exclusively applied to Legendary Pokémon—it is also used to describe Mythical Pokémon (as well as the 3 sets of Pokémon whose Legendary status is unclear). Bulbapedia's wording is a description, not a definition; Legendary Pokémon are defined by which Pokémon have been officially referred to as Legendary Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:05, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::So what you're saying is that "special pokemon" are either legendaries or mythicals, and since mythicals can only be obtained via events and the Tapus
::::::::::::::::can be caught in-game that means that the Tapus are legendaries right? [[User:Gingerwithasoul|Gingerwithasoul]] ([[User talk:Gingerwithasoul|talk]]) 10:23, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}}The definitions are fuzzy, and there's been exceptions in the past. It's not really enough to say "it has features of previous legendaries". --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 12:26, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
:No, I'm saying that the term "special Pokémon" is never defined in this context. There's no reason to assume that only Legendary and Mythical Pokémon qualify as special Pokémon in the context of lacking QR Codes in the Pokédex. There is another entirely separate usage of the term special Pokémon (which is also the predominant usage), but it contradicts the usage in the context of QR Codes in the Pokédex so it would only serve as a distraction to discuss it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 23:21, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
::Maybe the qr argument doesn't stand on its own but with all the other evidence like the fact they play a significant role in the main storyline, they can only be captured once, they cannot breed and they have their own dedicated catching location it seems pretty reasonable to assume that they are legendaries, there's so much evidence for them being legendaries and so little against and your main argument being that since Game Freak hasn't specifically said so therefore all the evidence is null is extremely illogical. [[User:Gingerwithasoul|Gingerwithasoul]] ([[User talk:Gingerwithasoul|talk]]) 03:46, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Waiting for official confirmation is how things work here. We wait for them to announce whether they're legendary or not. We're not going to assume, only to have Game Freak come out and say "lol nope, they're just normal Pokémon".--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:50, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::::that argument is a huge appeal to tradition, just because something always happens doesn't mean that it's the right way. Also, if that's the case then I would be interested in knowing when they said that the Regis are definitely legendaries or the Lake Guardians or any other group of legendaries [[User:Gingerwithasoul|Gingerwithasoul]] ([[User talk:Gingerwithasoul|talk]]) 04:28, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::This aspect is not up for any sort of argument or discussion: we do not ''assume''. Period.
:::::Something like [http://web.archive.org/web/20160303173331/http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/deposit-three-solid-pokemon-with-pokemon-bank/ the Bank HA Regi announcement] is the easiest reference I know, but I'm sure there are a number of others. It's not remotely worth finding similar references for anything else beyond that "proof of concept", because this discussion is about not about all those others. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:41, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::did you really just assume that these sources exist after we were told we're not allowed to assume? if you're going to debate please be consistent [[User:Gingerwithasoul|Gingerwithasoul]] ([[User talk:Gingerwithasoul|talk]]) 04:48, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Your questioning of '''every other Legendary Pokemon's status'''—including your reaction immediately above—is nothing but a tactic of distraction. It's not worth a substantive response. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:53, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::I actually already did look for confirmation of the status of every Legendary and Mythical Pokémon when we were splitting Mythical Pokémon from this article. You can find sources for every single Legendary and Mythical Pokémon (that existed in Gen VI) [[Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive2#Mythical and Legendary classification with sources|here]]. (Note that some of the links, specifically the pokemonblackwhite.com links, are now no longer available, so you'll need to use Wayback Machine or a similar service to access them.) --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:23, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

== Disputed legendaries section ==

There's a lot of debate on Legendary status of newly introduced [[Guardian deities]], [[Ultra Beast]]s and {{p|Type: Null}}/{{p|Silvally}} (two sections above et all) as well the old debate on {{p|Manaphy}} and {{p|Phione}}. Do you think it'd be a good idea to add a section describing that dispute as well as explaining the stance Bulbapedia has taken on the subject? That would help to avoid potential debates and edit wars. [[Phione_(Pokémon)#Mythical_status|Phione Trivia section]] is an example of how it could look like. — ∀<tt>[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] ∃[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|Talk page]]</tt> 13:55, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Makes perfect sense to me, as this debate is till going, I sure the Admins will also be willing tog having a disputing Pokemon page, soundalike a good idea.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 13:57, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:I would personally keep it under discussion, as this isn't a long standing debate like Phione. It'll most likely be confirmed within the next month or so considering it is already nearly confirmed. Also, Jacob: try to use colons before your posts so that they are staircased - one more than the previous posts.--[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 14:05, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Got it Celadoneky. I will be sure to remember that. --[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 14:36, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
:Phione actually has evidence for and evidence against listed. To create such a section here would require evidence against them being Legendary Pokémon—what evidence would that be? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:53, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
::But didn't the discussion above end with the conclusion they are not? With the major argument being '''Official site does not explicitly names them as such'''. Or did you mean the opposite? The argument that supports their status as Legendary Pokemon would be the '''GTS search filter'''. — ∀<tt>[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] ∃[[User_talk:ЫъГЬ|Talk page]]</tt>
:::Official site not explicitly naming them as such is a lack of evidence for, not evidence against. I already pointed out above why the official site cannot currently be relied upon to definitively say something isn't Legendary yet (although once it is properly updated we should be able to). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:29, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

However, when Guardian deities, Ultra Beasts, and Type: Null/Silvally register in the Pokedex, they will not show up as legendary Pokémon. So they are still some degree of controversy as legendary Pokémon, I think. [[User:E9310103838|E9310103838]] ([[User talk:E9310103838|talk]]) 13:50, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
:Again, that's a lack of evidence for, not evidence against. The point is is that it isn't an established controversy, like Phione. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 14:01, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
::Additionally, the message Rotom Pokédex gives for all of them is a special message. If it just gave a generic message, I think that would be reasonable evidence against. Instead, it has a special message that is used instead of the Legendary Pokémon message. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:22, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
:::So the game is undeniably, definititively stating that they are all legendary. May I add them to the page now? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 00:44, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
::::I'd say so, but we'd have to wait for mod approval, as sometimes they say something completely different than expected. --[[User:Celadonkey|--Celadonkey]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 01:23, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::According to Abcboy, a Bulbapedia {{bp|Staff|Administrator}}, two sections above: ''The staff have decided that since the games don't explicitly refer to these Pokémon as Legendary, they should not be referred to as Legendary until and if an official source explicitly describes them as such.'' Since this is the most recent official word from the staff as a whole, that's what we need to follow until they reconsider, if/when they do. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:03, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
::::::If we're following that, we now have an official source stating that they are legendary (the GTS), so it can be added. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 03:11, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::::The GTS excludes Legendaries and Mythicals, but does not otherwise distinguish those groups. We will continue to wait for a source that clearly gives these Pokemon only one of those labels.
:::::::(I'd like to suggest that, going forward, anyone who thinks they have proof and is itching to make edits try contacting a {{bp|staff}} member directly if there's no particular response here. Thanks.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:43, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

==Sub-legendaries==

I've heard on the internet that the Tapus, Nullvally, and Ultra Beasts are included as a classification known as sub-legendaries in the game's code. What is interesting is that the "lesser trios" (i.e. Musketeers, Birds), as well as other minor legendaries such as the Latis and Heatran are grouped alongside them as sub-legendaries. Can someone confirm this for me, and in that case does this call for a massive overhaul to the legendary page? Or should we wait till January for Pokebank to finally make things clear?--[[User:Geektreecko|Geektreecko]] ([[User talk:Geektreecko|talk]]) 03:23, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
:Outside of game mechanics, details obtained by rooting around in the game's code are not considered an official source. I'm not sure exactly the rationale for this, but edits have been reverted before for it. [[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 03:30, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
:: Oh! In that case, is the National Dex considered an official source? Assuming that when released it follows the format of the SM dex as well as the game code, it will likely group this generation's disputed legends and previous generations' minor legends under the green page background. Would that provide enough evidence to create a new grouping called sub-legends, and also give a conclusion as to the disputed legends' identity?--[[User:Geektreecko|Geektreecko]] ([[User talk:Geektreecko|talk]]) 03:47, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
:::See [[Talk:Ultra Beast#Ultra Beast connection to Legendary|this talk page section]] for my response to this rumor. As for the Pokédex, as you can tell when you catch [[Island Scan]] Pokémon, the National Pokédex just isn't in the game. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:58, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Not sure if it's been officially confirmed, but I seem to recall hearing that the national dex is going to be released along with the pokemon bank update. Don't know if you can really say it just isn't in the game--seems more like the way to unlock it just doesn't exist yet! [[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 04:10, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
:::::The National Pokédex will be in Pokémon Bank itself, rather than Pokémon Sun and Moon (based on officially announced information and the game data). For example, the Pokédex sprites used for Alola Pokédex Pokémon simply don't exist for non-Alola Pokédex Pokémon. ---[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:38, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

== Legendary Disputes Part X ==

The Tapus, UBs, and Type: Null Line, are still in dispute - whether it may be game mechanic or folklore factors. Those two factors do prove that they are though. Folklore of course, undeniably speak of the Tapus and UBs as legends. Type: Null and Sillvally's stature may be postulated with the existence of the Cosmog Line, such that they can perform evolution, and Mewtwo, that they are artificially made. The game's code itself also prove it though. But let me say first that the non-prohibition of these Pokémon in Battle Institutions are very lousy proofs, since multiple minor legendaries are allowed. But one thing's for sure. The GTS. It has a systematic sieve, an option to filter out Legends and Mythicals. In reason: Only Legendaries and Mythicals can be filtered out of the GTS. The Tapus, UBs, the Type: Null Line can be filtered out in the GTS. Therefore, these are Legendary Pokémon. [[User:Phiraptor28|Phiraptor28]] ([[User talk:Phiraptor28|talk]]) 18:19, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:Your logic is faulty, and this has already been addressed on this very same page. The GTS filter means they are either Legendaries or Mythicals, but we don't know which. We won't be labeling them as one or the other until they have been officially labeled so we know which label to use. (You can see a staff member, Tiddlywinks, say this ''exact same thing'' in the last comment of the subheader "Disputed legendaries section" above, timestamped 05:43, 17 December 2016.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:38, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
We have to wait for Nintendo to confirm it--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 18:44, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
:I hate to be a bother, but you're missing the colons I had told you about earlier... ----[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 19:53, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
::"The GTS filter means they are either Legendaries or Mythicals, but we don't know which"—well, they're obviously not Mythicals, so, by using the process of elemination, we can conclude that they must be Legendaries. Therefore, the GTS should be enough to prove that they are Legendaries; however, it seems like the staff wants to wait for official confirmation, which I can understand, even if I disagree. But, I haven't found any official confirmation for {{p|Marshadow}} either, so by that logic, shouldn't we delete that article? —[[User:MartinZ|MartinZ]] ([[User talk:MartinZ|talk]]) 20:08, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Marshadow is in the games. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:48, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
::::I think MartinZ's point was that they haven't been officially confirmed to exist. IIRC, in Gen VI, we didn't have pages for Diancie, Hoopa, or Volcanion until they were announced. ----[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 01:10, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Per [[Talk:Marshadow (Pokémon)#Officially Revealed?]], that's because at that time, datamining for the 3DS wasn't yet verifiable by the staff, so it was unknown whether those Pokemon actually existed or were being faked. The staff are now able to verify 3DS datamining, so Marshadow has its own page because it's confirmed to exist in the Sun and Moon data. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 01:39, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

== Necrozma ==
Should we state that it is currently unconfirmed if Necrozma forms a group with Solgaleo and Lunala, much like with Zygarde? There is a lot of evidence to indicate a relation between the three, but aside from the file name for Necrozma's picture (which itself is somewhat vague) nothing has been officially confirmed yet. --[[User:Geektreecko|Geektreecko]] ([[User talk:Geektreecko|talk]]) 00:33, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

:Agreed, it might turn out like with Zygarde where they might probably never officially state that their a trio. [[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]08:34, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
::I think that it's unnecessary and unencyclopedic to state that something is not known, the fact that it says nothing here should suffice that we simply don't know. --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 11:24, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
:::I was thinking about the unseen tag like the one for zygarde.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]11:40, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

== Shiny backgrounds in Pokémon Bank ==

Since Pokémon Bank is out, I got my Pokémon registered in the National Dex within, and apparently there's shiny backgrounds on the following Pokémon. I split them between Legendary and Mythical for readability, but they are all in a similar style:

* Legendary: Lugia, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zygarde, Cosmog, Cosmoem, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma.

* Mythical: Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Deoxys, Manaphy, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Victini, Keldeo, Meloetta, Genesect, Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion, Magearna.

What's notable here is that the Legendary are all Special Pokémon, but Mewtwo is the only Special Pokémon without a shiny background. Of the Mythicals, Phione doesn't have the shiny background, and I don't have a Marshadow to check. I'm not sure how this affects the definition of Special Pokémon, Legendaries, and Mythicals, but it's interesting that they singled out these Pokémon from the rest.{{unsigned|RHeegaard}}

:Whoops, just noticed I forgot to sign my comment above! - [[User:RHeegaard|RHeegaard]] ([[User talk:RHeegaard|talk]]) 03:54, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
::And all the other legendary Pokémon get... nothing. But while this doesn't help to prove or disprove the Tapus' or the Ultra Beasts' legendary status, it could be another Evidence Against Phione. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celadonkey]] 13:00, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't have Pokemon Bank, so for clarification, may I ask: what color are the backgrounds of all of the above Pokemon? And what color are the backgrounds of all the other Legendaries that aren't listed (and Phione)? Are ''all'' of them yellow{{tt|*|and the only distinguishing thing between them are sparkles vs. a solid yellow background}}, or are the above ones yellow and the unlisted ones green? If the latter, that may be decisive evidence that the background color indicates Special/non-Special, and that the tapus, Type:Null, and UBs are non-Special but Legendary. If the unlisted ones are yellow as well, though, the plot thickens and the green background still has no obvious explanation. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:34, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
::::All Pokémon RHeegard named have a shine under their picture. All other legendary Pokémon have nothing to differentiate them from regular Pokémon. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 16:44, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::So all other Legendaries have ''blue'' backgrounds?!? That makes even less sense... [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:49, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
::::::The color of the background corresponds to the Pokémon's types. Mythical and Special Legendary Pokémon (except Mewtwo and Phione) also have a shine effect on the background. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:51, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::::OK, so the backgrounds in Bank have no correspondence to the backgrounds in Sun/Moon? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:52, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, it looks completely different. Gives us nearly no info at all :T --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 16:54, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Also, if you missed it, RHeegard's distinction between Legendary and Mythical is his own - Pokebank's Dex doesn't show a difference between them. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] ([[User talk:Plasma|talk]]) 22:43, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
:What's most surprising is that Mewtwo does not have a shine background. Overall though, it implies that Gamefreak is pretty serious about plans to make Legendaries and Sub/Semi-Legendaries separate categories.[[User:Plasma|Plasma]] ([[User talk:Plasma|talk]]) 22:43, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
::I don't think I like that, especially as someone who still considers Mythicals Legendary. ----[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 01:12, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

== Cosmog line ==

Should we have a page for the Cosmog line? We have a page for every other legendary group. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:58, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
:Just make the duo page and add notes there: [[Game mascot#Generation VII]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:01, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

== Type:Null, UB's, and Tapus Revisited ==

The official Pokémon site says that Mythical and '''Some''' Legendaries are not allowed in VGC. Thus, there are some Legendary Pokémon that ARE allowed, but all Mythical Pokémon are NOT allowed. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/battle-today-using-the-2017-pokemon-vg-championships-format/]

We have already determined that Type:Null/Silvally, UB's, and the Tapus are either Mythical or Legendary.

They are allowed in VGC, which rules out them being Mythical. By process of elimination, they're legendary. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 20:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:That doesn't confirm anything. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 20:58, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
::It seems quite obvious to me, but you're the staff :v could you explain? --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 21:07, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Indeed those two facts make all of them objectively ''legendaries'', period <s>(unfortunately logical thinking is not the strongest point of everyone here)</s>. The only possible counterargument here is that at least one those facts is incorrect, and even in that case, it should be justified for us to trust official statements as long as we can't prove they're false. Finally, I hope personal biases like "Type: Null just ''can't'' be a legendary! GTS ''must'' be lying!" aren't stalling this...--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 22:25, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
::::So is it ok to say that they're legendary now? I don't want to edit anything w/o confirmation from a mod. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:30, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::FWIW, a very explicit, unambiguous statement is always *best*. Taking the twist and turns of inference always leaves a door for some mistake somewhere, somehow (and I don't mean by the inferrers).
:::::That said, I understand the logic and can't argue it. Just, like I said, I would personally be happiest to have a very explicit attribution. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 22:33, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I can understand that you, being a mod, would like that. No worries. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:37, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Alright, so I'm going to go ahead and edit all of the pages to conform to this in a half an hour or so, if it's ok with you guys. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 22:58, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::::...Tell you what. How about we call it 24 hours instead? A little patience won't hurt you. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:09, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Cool, thanks. (Also thanks for being a nice mod! I've been on a lot of websites where the mods are like dictators.) --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 23:11, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
I'd also like to note that I don't think the only supposed counterevidence, "All Mythical and Legendary Pokémon are not allowed" from the rules of Alola Friendly, is not counterevidence at all. "Mythical and Legendary Pokémon are not allowed" sure would be, but if I'm correct, the word "all" in the beginning means ''some'' legendaries are allowed in that competition (and those are the three groups).--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 10:09, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:"All Mythical and Legendary Pokémon are not allowed" means "there are no Mythical or Legendary Pokémon that are allowed". "Not all Mythical and Legendary Pokémon are allowed" would mean what you seem to be interpreting it as. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:28, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
::I think Dennou reads it as "(All Mythical) and [~unspecified] Legendary Pokémon are not allowed" rather than "All (Mythical and Legendary) are not allowed".
::Also, I'd like to add that the opposite/negation of "All X are not allowed" is not "Some X are allowed", but "Some or none X are allowed". [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 11:14, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Of course "not all X are Y" would the most unambiguous way to say it, but my research supports that "all X are not Y" ''can'' indeed mean the same thing (but also that "no X are Y"); specifically, how "all X are not Y" is interpreted seems to depend on the region of the speaker or the emphasized word. And since there's other evidence for and no other evidence against them, I think it's fair to assume they indeed mean "not all X are Y" (in other words, that T:N, Silvally, Tapus, and UBs ''are'' all Legendary yet are allowed in the competition).--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 11:34, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
::::I think that "All Mythical and Legendary Pokémon" implies that "all" applies to both Mythical and Legendary, but as the same wording was ''deliberately'' changed to "All Mythical and Some Legendary" on the VGC rules I'd say that's the most accurate. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 15:18, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::Just coming in to veto the 24 hour wait, and change that to '''until the staff has made a decision'''. Not to sound too harsh, but I '''really''' dislike this "I'm going to add it if no one responds" attitude. I know this has been going on for months, but Game Freak isn't really making it easy with their inconsistent word usage. So please, if there's still patience, wait until the staff gives you the all clear, regardless of if it's 24 hours or one year from now.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 15:29, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::I said "if it's ok with you guys", not "if nobody responds". But yeah, that's ok. Just make sure to let us know. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 15:35, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Legendaries such as the bird trio, beast trio, force of nature etc had always been allowed in tournaments. im sure they are trying to refer to [[Special Pokémon]]. The japan website just list those not permitted instead of referring to any group. but of course, we cannot just assume -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 17:01, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Elaborating on Dennou's earlier comment - I just realized, the Alola Friendly counterevidence doesn't really mean anything at all. It directly contradicts the GTS - if Type: Null and friends are allowed, and "all Mythical and Legendary Pokemon are banned", then they can't be mythical either. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::on a side note, the japanese wiki included these in their article. of course bulbapedia have different staff and rules but just a note -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] ([[User talk:Pokeant|talk]]) 04:34, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes, same with the French website, but all of the wikis are independent, so it shouldn't matter. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:22, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
:: The Kanto X Alola Regional Rumble doesn't ban anything that isn't Mewtwo, Mew, Cosmog, Cosmoem, Solgaleo, Lunala, Necrozma, and Magearna. In other words, not only are the Silvally line, Tapu, and UBs not banned as before... but the Legendary Birds are not banned either. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 00:18, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't think this means anything... It doesn't say anything about Legendary or Mythical Pokémon, it just lists the banned ones. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 01:21, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
:::The main evidence against the gang from being legendary is this: "apparently Japanese versions do not say on GTS that those groups are legendary (or mythical), only that they're special Pokémon, so it's too early to say which of them are legendary" (Dennou Zenshi) I may or may not investigate this on my own.

:::My own opinion is that this should not influence the decision, because the same section ''in English'' mentions "Do you want to include people who are seeking Mythical or Legendary Pokemon" and when "don't include" is selected, already established legendaries and mythicals are excluded as well as the gang in question, and since this is an English wiki and since in the past borders between legendary Pokemon have been different than in Japanese, we should go by the English. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 01:29, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I forgot to add, but the Japanese GTS thing isn't evidence for either side, so I don't think it should really matter.

::::With all of this said, it is the mods' decision. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 01:55, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::It's a game originating from '''Japan'''. ''They'' made the game. ''They'' make the rules. So yes, the Japanese text has just as much relevance to deciding (I might in fact go as far as their decision is absolute) what is and isn't a legendary/mythical.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:46, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::Except, that in this case, it seems that the Japanese GTS is more vague than absolute. If the Japanese games are not calling them Legends or Illusory, then it seems like the other languages might be more relevant at this time. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 05:47, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Can I just ask what we're even having this argument ''about'' at this point? If the English GTS says they're either Legendary or Mythical but doesn't clarify which one, and the Japanese one says they're Special but doesn't mention anything about Legendary or Mythical, then that seems to put us back exactly where we started — knowing they're either Legendary or Mythical, but not knowing anything more than that. This back-and-forth-ing over the Japanese GTS seems to be a lot of hand-wringing over nothing to me. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:26, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
:English GTS says "Legendary and Mythical Pokémon" are excluded with filter. Japanese GTS says "special Pokémon", but we don't know what this means, since they are not referring to [[Special Pokémon]] that we know. From this, we can conlude that the gang in question are either Mythical or Legendary, which we have been doing until this point was brought up: Rules for VGC 2017 say that "All Mythical and some Legendary Pokémon" are banned. The gang is not banned.

:In response to ForceFire's comment: I don't think Japanese decision is absolute if they don't tell us the decision that they've made. All it says is "special Pokémon", and since it isn't referring to box legends and Mewtwo, since Pokémon like Entei are blocked by the filter, it doesn't tell us anything. It's non-evidence. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 12:11, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
::Just realized, I didn't even answer your question, whoops. The argument is over whether these guys are legendary or not. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 13:11, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
:::After some research... I'm not 100% sure, but it looks like the Japanese GTS says "幻や　伝説ポケモンを<nowiki>\n</nowiki>ほしがっている　人を". (I'm not sure what "<nowiki>\n</nowiki>" is, I copied this from the Japanese text dump on abcboy's page.) I definitely see "伝説" (Legendary) and "幻" (Illusory, the term Japan uses for Mythicals). And yes, Type:Null and the gang are still excluded when the filter is on. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 16:38, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
::::It's about this simple: as a matter of current policy, we're not satisfied by the current extent of revealed information. In other words, continuing to argue over the same current set of facts will go precisely nowhere. We know everything you do and are unwilling to make the jump.
::::If something new (''especially'' direct, like "X is Legendary") pops up, feel free to mention that, please. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:55, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::That's fair, thank you. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 16:57, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::I don't mean to start an argument, but why are you not satisfied? It would help me to know your train of thought for the future, and I'm curious. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 19:52, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::The simplest answer is probably that direct evidence is best. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:12, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::That's fair, but what's the limit of what's good enough? I don't understand why a big tournament where "Mythical and some Legendaries are banned" and the gang not being banned, plus the gang being excluded from a filter that excludes "mythical and legendaries", is too vague for Bulbapedia.

::::::::Please pardon me if I'm a little rude, I'm just very confused why new points and rules keep being brought up every time we get closer to making a change. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 20:19, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Sorry if I'm making an assumption, but it sounds to me like "deduced based on separate sources" is not good enough, whereas "a single source" would be unambiguously acceptable. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:37, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::If that is the case, that seems very silly. As Den Zen pointed out, logic may not be the strongest suit of the users of the Internet, but simple logic puzzles like this case shouldn't be shelved just for having two parts to it. I mean, it's one thing if it's a string of convoluted, conspiracy-esque sources, like how you would see boards in rooms with newspaper clippings and string, but this isn't like that. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 20:52, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
{{indent}} Guys, just give up. Look at how lengthy this discussion is and ask yourselves, "are we even close to a solution or we'll have to keep posting messages until this thread gets long enough that we can publish a series of novels about it?"
We don't have solid evidence stating that these Pokémon are Legendary or Mythical. We can't label them as such until we have a more concrete source. GTS filters are not enough when Phione has been referred to as a Mythical Pokémon by a large number of sources from Generation V onwards and we still say its Mythical status is disputed due to a Prima Guide from a decade ago!!! If Phione's case is not moving forward, I don't know why you insist on this. --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 21:10, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
:I respectfully disagree.

:Phione is... a different case. Phione has had lots of sources left and right saying "it's mythical" "it's not mythical" etc. There's a bunch of evidence for the Pokemon in question here being Legendary, and the only source against it has a wording that was used again after it, with the same Pokemon being restricted, yet it was revoked and changed.

:And anyways, the talk page is meant for discussion like this. We may be close to a solution. We may not be. I believe that there is enough evidence for the case, and too little and not reputable enough evidence against it, to reasonably say that they are Legendary. I'm going to keep pushing forward until either a change has been made or I can understand the decision for the change not to be made. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 21:27, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Can it not be assumed that since there are no mythical or legendary Pokemon (minus Phione, Cosmog and Cosmoem), with a base stat under 580 and that in the Sun and Moon pokedex, they have a green background instead of the same one as confirmed legendaries, that they are therefore their own group. Could they not be defined as something like "Unique Pokemon" like Unown? [[User:LanceDrake286|LanceDrake286]] ([[User talk:LanceDrake286|talk]]) 22:55, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
: Kind of like saying only Legendary Pokemon have unique battle music and- OH WAIT; Type: Null and Silvally share Gladion's theme with him, and the Tapu and UBs have their own separate music used solely among themselves. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] ([[User talk:Shiramu Kuromu|talk]]) 23:17, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
::Unown are not "defined as unique Pokemon". They are, for wiki purposes, in the same category as any other non- Legendary or Mythical Pokemon. Either way, we can't assume what's Legendary or Mythical and what's not based on traits, ''especially'' if you have to make exceptions. It would be like if you were to say that Solgaleo and Lunala can't be legendaries, because they evolve from a Pokemon. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 00:31, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::A couple things I forgot to mention:

::First of all, there actually is a confirmed Legendary Pokemon that's under 580 BST. It's 50% Zygarde.

::Second of all, I'm going to stop pushing for the change with the current set of information. I've talked with staff and I now understand the decision that they've made much more. I will bring up any new evidence that comes up. I have faith in GAME FREAK that they will officially, explicitly mention these Pokémon as Legendary, as they have with previous Legendaries. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 00:49, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

::: I'm not sure if a specific form of a legendary can be counted as an exception to my 580 BST idea but I do agree that since there are a few exceptions, it's not 100% true.[[User:LanceDrake286|LanceDrake286]] ([[User talk:LanceDrake286|talk]]) 01:30, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::::to help end this I propose a criteria for counting a pokemon as a legendary
::::-the pokemon must have storyline/lore relevance
::::-the pokemon must not be able to be replicated by breeding
::::-the pokemon must only be able to be captured once [[User:Gingerwithasoul|Gingerwithasoul]] ([[User talk:Gingerwithasoul|talk]]) 02:11, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::The sentiment is appreciated, but Legendary is an official classification of Pokémon, and since no official sources give us a criteria for this classification, it's up to those official sources to tell us whether Pokémon are Legendary or not. We simply aren't in a position where we can make those kinds of assertions without compromising the accuracy and integrity of Bulbapedia. --[[User:WhosHaddady|'''Haddady''']] [[User talk:WhosHaddady|~Straight Outta the Bag~]] 02:50, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::This might be me being pedantic, but even if we were to use fan criteria (which we won't), those criteria aren't really that good.

::::::Point 1 - The Legendary Birds have never had any lore in the games. Neither has Necrozma. There are a few other confirmed Legendaries that don't fit that either.

::::::Point 3 - Would this make Nihilego and Guzzlord Legendary, but no other UBs? Also, that would exclude Solgaleo or Lunala, confirmed Legendaries.

::::::Either way, we're not using fan criteria for our pages, especially with something with as much gravity as this. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 12:07, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

== The Tapu, UB, Null and Silvally ARE Legendary. I have proof. ==

I'd just like to point out part of the VGC 2017 rules [http://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokemon/about/tournaments-rules-and-resources/ downloaded from here]:

5.2. Case 2 – Severe Tier 2

o Any Legendary or Mythical Pokémon (with the black clover) that has Hidden Power as a Fighting-type move.

That's part of the manual hack checking appendix. It essentially means that they are Legendary or Mythical, as this appendix lists everything the electronic hack check misses, the Pokémon in question can't have HP Fighting, and if they AREN'T Legendary or Mythical, then they CAN have HP Fighting, as then this clause wouldn't apply, so HP Fighting would be possible in-game without hacking, and they defiantly can't catch impossible HP Fighting on Pokémon using the electronic hack check. We also have the official statement that NO Mythical Pokémon are in VGC 2017 and SOME Legendary Pokémon ARE in VGC to eliminate the possibility that they're Mythical. This is also an official source stating that the minimum 3 31 IVs thing is still exclusive to Mythical and Legendary Pokemon. Oh, and if they AREN'T Legendary because purely of the statement from the Alola Friendly, then the statement that you can't use Mythical or Legendary Pokemon in {insert name of any battle facility} in the games themselves eliminates the Legendary Birds, Legendary Beasts, Legendary titans, Lake Guardians, Cresselia, Heatran, the Swords of Justice and the Forces of Nature from being Legendary by the same logic. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 13:48, 13 March 2017 (UTC), wondering why this is so hard to make a decision on.
:I think the issue is not whether they are Legendary or not, but whether they are Legendary or Mythical. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:05, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::Nothing on that page says "VGC 2017"... The appropriate link is "Play! Pokemon VG Rules and Formats". (Just as a suggestion, maybe try to be more exact about how you're referring to links in the future.)
::That guide as it sits has a pretty serious flaw: it doesn't define the Mythical and Legendary Pokemon. How's a checker supposed to know who they have to check and who not? That's really not an arbitrary question. Either it's up to each checker (in which case, say...maybe the UBs aren't Legendary because, pssh, there's no way you'd ever be able to get multiple of a Legendary Pokemon in the same game, of course), or they have to have some criteria that each person can obey to reliably reach the same conclusions.
::If VGC anywhere states which Pokemon are considered Mythical or Legendary, that'd be absolutely GREAT. In the meantime, it's probably (i.e., I haven't asked at the moment, but, given the standing decision) not satisfactory for us to assume who that is, even if the explanation seems apparent. If they will explicitly state something and then change it, it's one thing for us to follow that and turn out wrong for that reason; if they haven't explicitly stated it, then if they make a clear statement later that's contradictory, we'll just end up looking the fools. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:17, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
:::If the VGC checkers can decide for themselves who's legendary and who's not, that would be kind of silly, because then either legal Pokémon would be blocked, or illegal Pokémon would get through. I would think that they would either have a list of legendaries, or a list of legendary criteria. It would be wonderful if we could somehow get our hands on either. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 14:31, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I'd like to point out that in Pokémon X and Y, [[Baby Pokémon]] caught in the wild are guaranteed to have three random IVs of 31 due to their inclusion in the Undiscovered Egg Group so at a point in time the 3 31 IVs thing was not true. Additionally the Ash Greninja received from the Special Demo Version also comes with guaranteed 3 31 IVs that are locked to Attack, Special Attack and Speed and it is definitely not a legendary mythical pokemon but it IS in the undiscovered egg group. [[User:LanceDrake286|LanceDrake286]] ([[User talk:LanceDrake286|talk]]) 17:32, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
This debate on Potential Legedary is one of the biggest discussions ones I have ever seen on topic. And Ash Greninja is a special one of kind Pokémon like the Type: Null and Silvally.--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 17:41, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
:*sigh* Please don't bring up something completely unrelated to derail the discussion. Ash-Greninja is a form. That's all, period. It has nothing to do with this debate. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:45, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
:::LanceDrake- I think it was a glitch in X and Y. And the Ash Greninja thing, and it wasn't mentioned but this applies to Gen I VC Pokémon too, is a special case. All of those Pokémon are available with normal IVs. However, all Legendary and Mythical Pokémon are always guaranteed to have 3 perfect IVs, without hacking. And as was pointed out before, it has been officially confirmed that all Legendaries and Mythicals have 3 perfect IVs.

:::Anyways, it's been acknowledged by staff that the Pokémon in question are for sure either Legendary or Mythical. The question is, which. And at this point there's nothing (or at least I don't think there's anything) that falls in line with the staff's guidelines and expectations. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:02, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

::::Ash Greninja was brought up to help disprove the above theory stating the 3 31 IVs thing was EXCLUSIVE to mythical and legendary pokémon. It's not unrelated to said discussion in any way.
::::Can I ask for a link to the official statement as well? It would help my understanding here. [[User:LanceDrake286|LanceDrake286]] ([[User talk:LanceDrake286|talk]]) 18:16, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::it said that all mythicals and legendaries always have 3 perfect IVs, not that ONLY mythicals and legendaries have 3 perfect IVs. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 18:49, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::So, how is it a question whether the tapu and the Type: Null line are legendary or mythical? They're not event exclusive and not banned from online competitions, so they're not Mythical. Ergo, if they can only be either Legendaries or Mythicals, they have to be Legendaries. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:30, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I'm mostly going to repeat what I said above:
:::::::As a matter of current policy, we're not satisfied by the current extent of revealed information. We know everything you do and are unwilling to make the jump. (...With the possible exception of this latest info, which hasn't had time to be inspected much by staff. But I wouldn't expect it to change our official stance.)
:::::::If something new (especially direct, like "X is Legendary") pops up, feel free to mention that, please.
:::::::Like I said: this is our current "policy". I understand exactly where the "A & B = Legendary" people are coming from; but this is Bulbapedia. You're welcome to disagree—to be disgusted with us over it—but there are times when we very much prefer an abundance of caution. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:39, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Wouldn't this apply to the Legendary Birds, beats, Titians, Spirits, three of the Swords of Justice, and others I can name. As they aren't banned from Tournaments like the Ultra Beasts, tapu and the Type: Null line as mentioned before?'''--[[User:Jacob9594|Jacob Kogan]] ([[User talk:Jacob9594|talk]]) 00:26, 14 March 2017 (UTC)'''
:Those are already confirmed to be Legendary. We don't need another source to reaffirm they are. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 01:30, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
::''This is also an official source stating that the minimum 3 31 IVs thing is still exclusive to Mythical and Legendary Pokemon.'' - No it's not. The manual hack check is not exhaustive (it would be pretty hard to write a human-readable document that is). This statement says that if it is Mythical or Legendary, a Pokémon cannot have Hidden Power Fighting; it says nothing about the opposite.
::''Oh, and if they AREN'T Legendary because purely of the statement from the Alola Friendly, then the statement that you can't use Mythical or Legendary Pokemon in {insert name of any battle facility} in the games themselves eliminates the [snipped] from being Legendary by the same logic.'' - Where does the game ever claim that you cannot use Mythical or Legendary Pokémon in battle facilities? To my knowledge, there is always a specific list of Pokémon you cannot use (often including Eggs).
::Now, the existence of this point is interesting, because it implies that judges know which Pokémon are considered Mythical or Legendary. However, I believe that only public rule documents can be enforced in official tournaments, so exactly how they determine this should be looked into. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:57, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:::I talked with a VGC Judge and he said that nobody knows which Pokémon are legendary and the same discussion went on in their private forums. They decided to disregard the rule that says that legendary and mythical Pokémon can't have fighting Hidden Power, and instead have it as Pokémon who are guaranteed to have 3 IVs cannot have Fighting Hidden Power, as they couldn't figure out what was legendary and what wasn't. --[[User:Celadonkey|Celad]][[User_talk:Celadonkey|onkey]] 11:09, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

::::This is a quote from the PWT, accessed by talking to the red attendant, selecting info and selecting the Kanto Leaders Tournament:

::::"Kanto Leaders Tournament is a tournament in which Gym Leaders from Kanto are participating. You may not have duplicate Pokémon or duplicate held items. The item Soul Dew and the move Sky Drop are banned. Legendary or mythical Pokémon may not participate, either. For these battles, all Pokémon will be set to Level 50. The winner will be awarded with a little more BP than usual. Good luck!"

::::And yet some Legendary Pokémon CAN participate in this tournament, the ones listed above. The games use that line in other places, too. The description for the Kanto X Alola Regional Rumble download rules says "Only Alola Pokédex and Kanto Pokédex can be used. Legendary and Mythical Pokémon are banned.", as well, yet confirmed legendaries, the Legendary Birds, are allowed in it. The X and Y Baby Pokémon thing never prevented HP Fighting, as it didn't prevent HATCHING those Pokémon with 2 or fewer 31 IVs. And if you're just going to say "use caution", there are videos on YouTube complaining about it, so maybe we should at least do somthing on the page to add more about them, like how Phione is on the Mythical Pokémon page. There is such a thing as being too cautious. And this debate is pretty dumb, as all the against camp has in evidence and arguments is a single quote from a source that isn't even all that reliable for this kind of thing, and a general "be cautious" thing. Also, while the manual hack checking isn't exhaustive, since it bothers to worry about Hidden Power's type at all then the descriptor for the rule about Hidden Power's type IS almost certainly comprehensive, and Gen I Pokémon and Ash-Greninja are not relevant, as they aren't even legal in VGC, so the manual hack check does not have to account for them. (Also, Ash-Greninja is easy, as only a single IV spread is legal for it, so Hidden Power is fixed and the automatic hack check can probably easily verify the legality of it because of this, since all it has to do is confirm that all the IVs match the single legal spread, not calculate Hidden Power's type, which is a significantly less efficient thing to do, and would slow the hack check down while using up more memory.) [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 12:17, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

::::P.S. I would have directly linked the rules, but clicking on the link to them automatically starts a file download, so I can't provide a direct link, as none appears in the browser to copy. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 12:19, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive3

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PartHunter: /* The Tapu, UB, Null and Silvally ARE Legendary. I have proof. */ Just read the page if you care about this.

Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive3

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PartHunter: /* The Tapu, UB, Null and Silvally ARE Legendary. I have proof. */ new section

Talk:Pokémon Bank

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PartHunter: /* Pokedex function */ new section

== Official Pokémon website's FAQ page of Pokémon Bank ==

For others who want to improve the article, the link to the FAQ for Pokémon Bank is here, where you can also navigate to other pages that cover Pokémon Bank's functionality, etc.:
* '''[http://www.pokemonbank.com/en-us/faq/ Pokémon Bank FAQ page]'''

[[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 18:53, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

== Held items/Berries disappearing when Bag is "full" ==

The [http://www.pokemonbank.com/en-us/faq/ Pokémon Bank FAQ] mentions that held items/Berries will be sent to your [[Bag]] when the player is depositing Pokémon into Pokémon Bank, and that items will disappear if the Bag is "full". I thought that post-[[Generation 3]] games had unlimited Bag space, so I'm wondering is this statement referring to when you have the maximum amount of a single item (like reaching the cap of 999 Rare Candies in the Rare Candy's particular item slot)? [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 18:56, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is just referring to the 999 maximum. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:49, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Incorrect categorization link. ==

''Read'': [Category:Pokémon that evolve through trading|Pokémon that] [[evolve]] via [[trading]] will not evolve if sent to Pokémon Bank.

''(There are supposed to be two brackets "[[]]" in the sentence, but I'm not sure of what you type to make wikicode/markup appear as text rather than executing itself/how you nullify wikicode from executing...)''
I was trying to format the link to the category of "Pokémon that evolve through trading" so that it appears as an internal Bulbapedia link rather than an external link, but for some reason, the method in which I typed the sentence categorizes the Pokémon Bank article ''itself'' in that category rather than just "internally linking to that category within the sentence" (the latter being what I intended). It would be greatly appreciated if someone could help to format this sentence properly (and in the worst-case scenario, I'll just settle for the link appearing as an external link). Thanks in advance. [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 19:05, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
:Fixed it. If you want to link to a category rather than add it, you put a colon at the beginning of the link. In this case, it is <nowiki>[[:Category:Pokémon that evolve through trading]]</nowiki>. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 19:15, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
::'''''One''''' little colon? Are you ''kidding'' me? XD Wow...that could have saved me all that trial-and-error I was doing earlier trying to fix the problem.. But this feature is good to know; thank you very much for fixing it, and I'll keep your tip for future reference. :) [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] ([[User talk:Fenyx4|talk]]) 00:00, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Comparison of Fees ==

Just for the heck of it (and if someone decided to add this into an actual section), here is a comparison of the fees relative to USD (as of December 15th, 2013):

* JP¥500 = US$4.85
* GB£4.99 = US$8.13
* EU€4,49 = US$6.17
* AU$6.50 = US$5.83
* NZ$8.50 = US$7.03
* KR₩5000 = US$4.75

I'm kinda surprised that the fees vary so much... -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 23:00, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
:I think this should be included in the article, at least in a "x-pays the least, x-pays the most" capacity. Not just because I'm outraged about the UK having to pay the most despite being in a state of economic decline or anything, I swear. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 17:08, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
::Yeah, the EU and UK prices were mixed up, with £4.49 being $7.29 right now and €4.99 being $6.85. The UK price is still the highest, of course. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 17:38, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon Bank Being Delayed and Deleted From the Nintendo eShop ==

So I've heard that in the U.S.A and all of the other places where it hasn't been released Pokémon Bank is being delayed, and deleted from the Nintendo eShop in places where it has been released due to hacked Pokemon being able to be transferred over. Should we put this down/mention this? [[User:AwesomeGrovyle|AwesomeGrovyle]] ([[User talk:AwesomeGrovyle|talk]]) 02:56, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Probably due to high traffics, but yes you may! [[User:TheShinyMew|'''~☆I'm TheShinyMew!☆~''']] 06:54, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
:The delay is worth mentioning, but it's speculation to say it's because of hacked Pokemon. All Nintendo has said is that it's "[http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2393/p/430 due to a large volume of traffic]". [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 06:56, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
::They said a bit more on the NoA Twitter account. Basically, the eShop and the NN Ids are the main problem for most, if not all, of the network. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:27, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Sometime around 10 p.m I learned it was actually due to traffic jams. [[User:AwesomeGrovyle|AwesomeGrovyle]] ([[User talk:AwesomeGrovyle|talk]]) 18:27, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

== Subscription prices ==

The article has the subscription prices and according to the eShop it costs "R$8.99" (Brazil) and "$61.99 MXN" (Mexican Pesos). Should this be added to the article for completeness sake or not?
{{unsigned|Dude22072}}

== "Initial Launch" ==

The infobox currently says "initial launch" on December 27/28 for Europe and Oceania. This is implying that it was ever even launched, when it was pulled before it even got the chance. Previously it said "planned launch" which is the accurate phrase to use here. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 16:18,2/4/2014 (UTC)

== Hacked or not? ==

What exactly does Pokémon Bank observe in every attempted-to-transfer pokemon before deciding if it's hacked or not? Some of the pokemon I want to transfer (all legit-obtained) were edited by Pokesav (natures and moves only) & I fear I'll get permanently banned from the app. [[User:DuelKING|DuelKING]] ([[User talk:DuelKING|talk]]) 20:29, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
:Illegally created via external methods or modified by external methods. You will get banned for transferring those. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 21:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
::I've noticed that in a box with 30 Pokémon, if say six of the Pokémon was hacked then it will simply give you a message saying they can't be transferred and leave them on the game while all other Pokémon are transferred into the bank. If hacked to get lots of Rare Candies and used them to level up Pokémon to whatever level, it does not appear to have a problem with trading them up.
::I have not yet suffered a ban to the software for attempting to upload them.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51/Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 08:01, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:::Thank goodness. I was hoping that was the case. It'd be silly if people could get banned just because someone traded them a hacked Pokemon and they didn't know it when they tried to upload it. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:46, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
::::Not sure how it would act going from X or Y to the bank though, that was from White 2 and White. So how it works from going up to the bank from X or Y I do not know.--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51/Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 14:08, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:Personally, I tried to transfer alot of Pokémon from [[ROM_hacks#Pokémon Blaze Black and Volt White|Blaze Black]] (after trading them to a legitimate White cartridge). The majority of them were not accepted. Like Ditto51 said, there's nothing close to a "ban" happening from such an act. If I tried to transfer a box of 30 Pokémon and only {{tt|two|numbers used for the sake of an example}} of them could actually be moved by passing whatever check is in place, the Transporter would in turn give me a note saying "at least one of the Pokémon could not be moved", and that they will be left behind. As a result, the two that passed will be moved, and the other 28 will be left in my Box 1 from Generation 5, and no further consequence happens. As far as ''what'' the check entails, I do not know. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9_Transporter?diff=2069775&oldid=2069487 Someone] seems to have attempted to find out, but I don't know how much of those findings are correct. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 16:30,2/6/2014 (UTC)
"Solar Dragon", are you saying pokemon legitimately-obtained, then modified/edited are considered "hacked?" If what you say is true, this may cause a big, unfair problem for everyone. Edited, seemingly-legit pokemon can be deposited into the GTS, correct? And there's no way to tell if they're modified or not (or is there?). One could get banned for something that isn't his/her fault. [[User:DuelKING|DuelKING]] ([[User talk:DuelKING|talk]]) 20:41, 6 February 2014 (UTC)DuelKING[[User:DuelKING|DuelKING]] ([[User talk:DuelKING|talk]]) 20:41, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:DuelKING, while we are not sure quite what the Transporter uses to determine if a Pokémon is valid or not, there are two things that we can say for certain. First, the GTS seems to be more lax. Just because something fails the Transporter's test doesn't mean it won't appear on the GTS. Second, there is ''no ban'' involved. If you had read what both myself and Ditto51 wrote, we have both confirmed that if a Pokémon fails the Transporter's tests, it will stay in the Gen V game. It will not disappear, and the player will not be penalzed n any way other than that the Pokémon cannot be sent to their Gen VI game. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 21:08,2/6/2014 (UTC)
::Pokémon that were legitimately caught then edited will be considered hacked, yes. However, there is no ban as the others have said. I don't know why I said there was a ban, I wasn't thinking fully when I posted. I would guess that it checks moves and stats to see if they are legit and if not, it doesn't let you transfer. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 21:21, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:From what I can gather, it checks things like moveset and caught location, but the talk page for the transporter might be a better place to hold this topic. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 21:36,2/6/2014 (UTC)
Oh? Well, people on Facebook are saying they've gotten banned for this. I don't know who to believe. [[User:DuelKING|DuelKING]] ([[User talk:DuelKING|talk]]) 21:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)DuelKING[[User:DuelKING|DuelKING]] ([[User talk:DuelKING|talk]]) 21:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
::..... Personally I would take a Wiki's word over Facebook..... [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 21:47,2/6/2014 (UTC)
:::Again not sure if it is possible to get hacked mons on X and Y that were hacked into that game, but if you can what would happen if they were uploaded. So from Gen VI to the bank--[[User:Ditto51|Ditto51/Tom]] ([[User_Talk:Ditto51|My Talk Page]]) 22:35, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
::::By pure coincidence, a classmate of mine used the DNS method to get an Arceus from the GTS into a Gen V game, and he was able to transport it to Gen VI and trade it to me without trouble, meaning it was created to pass the test, and my game (nor his) is in no way corrupted nor am I prevented from using the Bank. Just as well, I was able to put the Arceus in the Bank, save, and take it out with no trouble at all. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 23:05,2/6/2014 (UTC)

== Like Box and Ranch? ==

Since the official site says it works for multiple games and since it's not registered in the player's ID, but rather the Nintendo Network ID. Does that mean that someone can store Pokémon, start a new game and retrieve all of the stored, or will they be locked forever like Box and Ranch?

How notable to put on the article is that, if it is true?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 18:55, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you can transfer your entire PC up to the bank, restart your game, and pop your Pokémon back in your new game after having received the Pokédex. Might be some obedience issues at first... [[User:CraftyWeavile|CraftyWeavile]] ([[User talk:CraftyWeavile|talk]]) 05:55, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

== Pokémon Bank Bug? ==

Okay, so I was transferring Pokémon yesterday to complete my Pokédex, and some of them are hacked because I kept missing their events (i.e. Hacking the Member Card to get {{p|Darkrai}}, etc.). What's odd is my Wish Maker {{p|Jirachi}} and my {{p|Manaphy}}, both I hacked to get, went through just fine. But when I tried to transfer my {{p|Shaymin}} and Darkrai, both I caught with the use of the Member Card and Oak's Letter, it said they couldn't get through because they were hacked. Can anyone explain why this oddity happened because I am really confused by it. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] ([[User talk:Pokedex493|talk]]) 04:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
:The hack check that the Transporter uses doesn't seem to actually check if the Pokémon was ''created'' by a hack, but more specific properties, most notably seems to be the location that they were caught. So, if a hacked Pokémon is given an original location that is legitimate for that Pokémon it has a chance of passing the check regardless of being hacked, where an {{p|Arceus}} with a caught location of {{rt|201|Sinnoh|Sinnoh Route 201}} would more than likely fail. [[User:Schiffy|Schiffy (瀬藤健二)]] ([[User talk:Schiffy|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Schiffy|Contribs]]) 04:55,2/7/2014 (UTC)
::See that's just the thing. I caught Shaymin in [[Flower Paradise]] and Darkrai in [[Newmoon Island]] respectively, but they still couldn't get through. My theory is that the date they were caught might've given it away, but I could be wrong. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] ([[User talk:Pokedex493|talk]]) 04:58, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
:::I doubt it's the date. My friend has been transporting some of my RNGed Pokemon and none of them have correct dates. Did you happen to get them on Diamond and Pearl instead of Platinum? --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 05:01, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
::::It's not really a surprise if an illegitimate Pokemon passes. It would be almost impossible for the hack-check to be completely foolproof. You can't actually check if something was created by hacking, really, because most hacking tools wouldn't want to leave such an indication. You can only check for oddities.
::::As for the two you express surprise about, Darkrai and Shaymin...you say you hacked the Member's Card (I would assume you did the same for Oak's Letter). It's possible that Pokemon Bank is able to recognize that your game never acquired a Member's Card through legitimate means. Or maybe the game knew from the get-go and actually marked those Pokemon specially. (If the former (if it's just Bank putting two and two together), then they might go through if you traded them to a perfectly clean game. I stress that this is just a guess, though.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:02, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::It's worth a try. I do have a copy of Black 2 and White to trade between. Thanks for the help. I'll post to this if I see any results. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] ([[User talk:Pokedex493|talk]]) 05:04, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::If you hacked the Member Card/Oak's Letter to get them in Platinum, they should pass through fine. If you did so in DP, it is completely understandable that the game noticed. Firstly, there is a game of origin flag anyway, so Transporter could just check for that (note that that is what transfers Pokémon, not Bank, so this discussion would be more suited to that page anyway). However, more importantly, Darkrai/Shaymin caught in DP do not have the [[fateful encounter]] flag, whereas those caught in Platinum do; Transporter is probably just checking to see if they are FE, and since DP ones aren't, it is rejecting them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:13, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Doh. I was basing my previous "guess" on the supposition that you were using Transporter on the game Darkrai/Shaymin were caught in. But of course that can't be. They're completely different generations, even. =P
:::::::(The thing SnorlaxMonster sort of glosses over above is that the [[Member Card]]/[[Oak's Letter]] were apparently only officially distributed for Platinum.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 05:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::::Oh, yeah, I probably should have mentioned that. So what it means is that non-FE Darkrai/Shaymin aren't legit, so Transporter would reasonably check for that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:43, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::I see. Then I should start saving up for Platinum. Thanks for the help guys. I understand the hack check better now. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] ([[User talk:Pokedex493|talk]]) 05:47, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

== IT'S NOT HACKED! ==
The Entei I had obtained from someone (it had been caught in FRLG) refuses to be transferred to the bank. Why? [[User:CraftyWeavile|CraftyWeavile]] ([[User talk:CraftyWeavile|talk]]) 06:00, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
:If you didn't catch it yourself, you have no real way of knowing whether it's hacked or not, and we can't really help you without really any information. --[[User:Funktastic~!|'''It's''' '''Funktastic~!''']][[User talk:Funktastic~!|''話してください'']] 06:07, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

== Trading?? ==

Does anyone know if depositing a pokemon in the bank resets its friendship, as trading does? Because I deposited a level 5 cleffa from one game and withdrew it in another, and without being in a luxury ball, holding a soothe bell, or otherwise giving it any happiness-boosting items, it evolved at level 16. I did use poke-amie a bit, but not *nearly* enough to explain how a traded pokemon--which, according to Bulbapedia, should have been reset to 70 friendship--could have gotten to over 220 friendship in 11 levels. It's only *barely* feasible if we assume that she started at 140. (Even then, I'm not sure how that happened; I'm *guessing* the poke-amie helped--maybe affection hearts increase the rate at which happiness increases? She only had two, though.){{unsigned|Harumei}}
:Relatedly, did it keep Amie? [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] ([[User talk:TruePikachu|talk]]) 23:00, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

== Pokemon Eggs and Bank ==

There seems to be some conflicting information out on the 'Net about whether you can store [[Pokémon egg]]s in Bank. You can't -- at least not according to my experience you can't ([http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/attachments/f323/93293d1394258479-pok%C3%A9mon-bank-pok%C3%A9transporter-thread-pokemon-bank-no-eggs.jpg screenshot]). Can anyone confirm? --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 06:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
:You can't. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:43, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

== Official trailer is private ==

The official trailer is private and can't be viewed, oddly. Should it be removed?--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 00:42, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:Odd. The only Pokémon Bank video is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erq4R41AmVU this video] on the YouTube channel. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

== Held Items, Mega Stones, and Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire ==

The Pokémon Bank says it will send held items to the bag if a Pokémon you deposit is holding an item. How will people bring Mega Stones from Pokémon X and Y into Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire if the bank won't take the items? Will people be able to transfer Pokémon with Mega Stones to the new games through trading, or is it possible Pokémon Bank will update to where it CAN accept held items? --[[User:Duel Monster|Duel Monster]] ([[User talk:Duel Monster|talk]]) 01:19, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
:Given XY and ORAS are within the same Generation, I have no doubt you'll be able to trade between games without having to use Bank or any other means of transfer besides Trading. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 05:25, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

== Compatibility chart ==

I've been thinking that instead of expanding the lead every time a new game comes out, we should just have a little chart that shows what games are compatible with the software. I made it up on my [[User:HoennMaster/Sandbox|sandbox page]], but wanted to see what other people thought about including it. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 02:09, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

== Mewnium Z ==

Since it's being distributed through Pokebank, should it be added under Event Pokemon or be given its own subpage? Also, what template should be used for Mewnium Z? {{unsigned|Terezi}}

== Pokedex function ==

Could someone please update the page with Pokémon Bank's Pokédex function? I'd do it myself, but I don't have all the details on how it works. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 09:58, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Sandstorm (move)

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PartHunter: /* Trivia */ Change VI to VII, as it is still true in VI.

{{bad picture|2=Should be replaced with Generation VII images}}
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|damagecategory=Status
|basepp=10
|maxpp=16
|power=—
|accuracy=—
|gen=II
|TM=38
|category=Tough
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|jam=0
|cdesc=Scrambles the order of appeals on the next turn.
|appealsc=2
|scdesc=Prevents the Voltage from going up in the same turn.
|appeal6=2
|jam6=1
|cdesc6=Badly startles all Pokémon that successfully showed their appeal.
|touches=no
|protect=no
|magiccoat=no
|snatch=no
|mirrormove=no
|kingsrock=no
|sound=no
|tm2=yes
|tm#2=37
|tm3=yes
|tm#3=37
|tm4=yes
|tm#4=37
|tm5=yes
|tm#5=37
|tm6=yes
|tm#6=37
|tm7=yes
|tm#7=37
|mtc=no
|na=no
|target=all
}}
'''Sandstorm''' (Japanese: '''すなあらし''' ''Sandstorm'') is a non-damaging {{type|Rock}} [[move]] introduced in [[Generation II]]. It has been [[TM37]] since Generation II.

==Effect==
===Generation II===
When this move is used, a sandstorm will brew. This effect will last for 5 turns. This clears any other [[weather]] and is usable when the weather is {{weather|sandstorm}}.

While Sandstorm is in effect, all Pokémon who are neither {{t|Steel}}-, {{t|Rock}}-, nor {{type|Ground}} will be damaged ⅛ of their maximum HP at the end of each turn. Pokémon in the semi-invulnerable turn of {{m|Dig}} will also not take damage from Sandstorm, regardless of type. Also, the moves {{m|Synthesis}}, {{m|Morning Sun}}, and {{m|Moonlight}} will recover only half as much HP as under clear conditions.

===Generation III===
The damage inflicted at the end of each turn is decreased to 1/16 of the Pokémon's maximum HP. Pokémon with the {{a|Sand Veil}} Ability have the accuracy of any move used against them modified by a factor of 4/5 when Sandstorm is in effect, and are immune to Sandstorm's damaging effect. {{m|Moonlight}}, {{m|Synthesis}}, and {{m|Morning Sun}} now only restore ¼ of the user's maximum HP. {{m|Dive}} will also prevent damage from Sandstorm during the semi-invulnerable turn.

Additionally, {{m|Weather Ball}} becomes Rock-type. Sandstorm now fails when used while Sandstorm is in effect.

Sandstorm can also be used as part of a [[Contest combination|Pokémon Contest combination]], causing certain moves ({{m|Mud Shot}}, {{m|Mud-Slap}}, {{m|Mud Sport}}, {{m|Sand-Attack}}, {{m|Sand Tomb}} and {{m|Weather Ball}}) to have their base appeal points doubled if used in the next turn.
===Generation IV onwards===
All Rock-type Pokémon will now have their {{stat|Special Defense}} raised by 50% for the duration of the sandstorm. Also, if a {{DL|In-battle effect item|Smooth Rock}} is held when Sandstorm is used, its duration is lengthened from 5 to 8 turns.

Pokémon with the {{a|Sand Rush}} Ability have their {{Stat|Speed}} doubled, while Pokémon with {{a|Sand Force}} get a power boost of 30% for their Rock-, Ground- and Steel-type moves. Both of these Abilities grant an immunity to Sandstorm's damaging effect.

If [[Rain|heavy rain]], [[Harsh sunlight|extremely harsh sunlight]], or a [[mysterious air current]] is present, the move will fail.

Sandstorm can also be used as part of a [[Contest combination|Contest Spectacular combination]], causing any of the moves {{m|Sand Attack}}, {{m|Sand Tomb}} and {{m|Weather Ball}} to give an extra three base appeal points if used in the next turn.

If powered up by a {{DL|Z-Crystal|Rockium Z}} into Z-Sandstorm, the user's {{stat|Speed}} stat raises one stage.

==Description==
{{movedesc|rock}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrevss|Stad2}}|An attack that creates a sandstorm. The effect causes damage to both combatants.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev2|GSC}}|Inflicts damage every turn.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}|Causes a sandstorm that rages for several turns.{{tt|*|Move}} Causes a sandstorm that hits the foe over several turns.{{tt|*|TM}}}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}|A 5-turn sandstorm that damages all types except <sc>Rock</sc>, <sc>Ground</sc> and <sc>Steel</sc>.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrevss|Colo}}{{gameabbrevss|XD}}|Causes a sandstorm that rages for several turns.{{tt|*|Move}} Causes a sandstorm that hits the target over several turns.{{tt|*|TM}}}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev4|DPPtHGSS}}|A five-turn sandstorm is summoned to hurt all combatant types except Rock, Ground, and Steel.{{tt|*|Move}} A five-turn sandstorm is summoned to hurt all combatants except the Rock, Ground, and Steel types.{{tt|*|TM}}}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrevss|PBR}}|A five-turn sandstorm is summoned to hurt all combatant types except Rock, Ground, and Steel.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev5|BWB2W2}} {{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}}|A five-turn sandstorm is summoned to hurt all combatants except the Rock, Ground, and Steel types.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev7|SM}}|A five-turn sandstorm is summoned to hurt all combatants except the Rock, Ground, and Steel types. It raises the Sp. Def stat of Rock types.}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==Learnset==
===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{{Movehead/Level|Rock|2}}
{{Moveentry/6|027|Sandshrew|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|45|53|37|37{{sup/5|BW}} 42{{sup/5|B2W2}}|42|42}}
{{Moveentry/6|028|Sandslash|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|52|62|52|52{{sup/5|BW}} 42{{sup/5|B2W2}}|42{{sup/6|XY}} 48{{sup/6|ORAS}}|48}}
{{Moveentry/6|095|Onix|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|36|33{{sup/3|RSE}} 34{{sup/3|FRLG}}|22|25{{sup/5|BW}} 52{{sup/5|B2W2}}|52|52}}
{{Moveentry/6|208|Steelix|type=Steel|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|36|33{{sup/3|RSE}} 34{{sup/3|FRLG}}|22|25{{sup/5|BW}} 52{{sup/5|B2W2}}|52|52}}
{{Moveentry/6|246|Larvitar|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Monster|Monster|8|8|5|5|5|5}}
{{Moveentry/6|247|Pupitar|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Monster|Monster|1, 8|1, 8|1, 5|1, 5|1, 5|1, 5}}
{{Moveentry/6|248|Tyranitar|type=Rock|type2=Dark|1|Monster|Monster|1, 8|1, 8|1, 5|1, 5|1, 5|1, 5}}
{{Moveentry/6|299|Nosepass|type=Rock|1|Mineral|Mineral||31|37|37{{sup/5|BW}} 36{{sup/5|B2W2}}|36{{sup/6|XY}} 34{{sup/6|ORAS}}|34}}
{{Moveentry/6|328|Trapinch|type=Ground|1|Bug|Bug||49|49|49{{sup/5|BW}} 44{{sup/5|B2W2}}|44{{sup/6|XY}} 36{{sup/6|ORAS}}|36}}
{{Moveentry/6|329|Vibrava|type=Ground|type2=Dragon|1|Bug|Bug||49|49|49{{sup/5|BW}} 44{{sup/5|B2W2}}|44{{sup/6|XY}} 36{{sup/6|ORAS}}|36}}
{{Moveentry/6|330|Flygon|type=Ground|type2=Dragon|1|Bug|Bug||53|49|49{{sup/5|BW}} 44{{sup/5|B2W2}}|44{{sup/6|XY}} 36{{sup/6|ORAS}}|36}}
{{Moveentry/6|331|Cacnea|type=Grass|2|Grass|Human-Like||45|53|53|53{{sup/6|XY}} 50{{sup/6|ORAS}}|50}}
{{Moveentry/6|332|Cacturne|type=Grass|type2=Dark|2|Grass|Human-Like||53|65|65|65{{sup/6|XY}} 54{{sup/6|ORAS}}|54}}
{{Moveentry/6|343|Baltoy|type=Ground|type2=Psychic|1|Mineral|Mineral||31|37|34{{sup/5|BW}} 41{{sup/5|B2W2}}|41{{sup/6|XY}} 40{{sup/6|ORAS}}|40}}
{{Moveentry/6|344|Claydol|type=Ground|type2=Psychic|1|Mineral|Mineral||31|40|34{{sup/5|BW}} 47{{sup/5|B2W2}}|47{{sup/6|XY}} 46{{sup/6|ORAS}}|46}}
{{Moveentry/6|443|Gible|type=Dragon|type2=Ground|2|Monster|Dragon|||13|13|13|13}}
{{Moveentry/6|444|Gabite|type=Dragon|type2=Ground|2|Monster|Dragon|||13|13|13|13}}
{{Moveentry/6|445|Garchomp|type=Dragon|type2=Ground|2|Monster|Dragon|||1, 13|1, 13|1, 13|1, 13}}
{{Moveentry/6|476|Probopass|type=Rock|type2=Steel|1|Mineral|Mineral|||37|37{{sup/5|BW}} 36{{sup/5|B2W2}}|36{{sup/6|XY}} 34{{sup/6|ORAS}}|34}}
{{Moveentry/6|524|Roggenrola|type=Rock|1|Mineral|Mineral||||33|33|33}}
{{Moveentry/6|525|Boldore|type=Rock|1|Mineral|Mineral||||42|42|42}}
{{Moveentry/6|526|Gigalith|type=Rock|1|Mineral|Mineral||||42|42|42}}
{{Moveentry/6|529|Drilbur|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||||40|40|40}}
{{Moveentry/6|530|Excadrill|type=Ground|type2=Steel|1|Field|Field||||49|49|49}}
{{Moveentry/6|551|Sandile|type=Ground|type2=Dark|1|Field|Field||||40|40|40}}
{{Moveentry/6|552|Krokorok|type=Ground|type2=Dark|1|Field|Field||||44|44|44}}
{{Moveentry/6|553|Krookodile|type=Ground|type2=Dark|1|Field|Field||||48|48|48}}
{{Moveentry/6|645|Landorus|type=Ground|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||||61|61|55}}
{{Moveentry/6|718|Zygarde|type=Dragon|type2=Ground|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||||35|35}}
{{Moveentry/6|769|Sandygast|type=Ghost|type2=Ground|1|Amorphous|Amorphous||||||54}}
{{Moveentry/6|770|Palossand|type=Ghost|type2=Ground|1|Amorphous|Amorphous||||||60}}
{{Movefoot|Rock|6}}

===By [[TM]]===
{{Movehead/TM|Rock|2||TM37|TM37|TM37|TM37|TM37|TM37}}
{{Moveentry/6|006|Charizard|type=Fire|type2=Flying|2|Monster|Dragon|✔||||}}
{{Moveentry/6|027|Sandshrew|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|028|Sandslash|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|031|Nidoqueen|type=Poison|type2=Ground|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|034|Nidoking|type=Poison|type2=Ground|2|Monster|Field|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|050|Diglett|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|050A|Diglett|type=Ground|type2=Steel|1|Field|Field||||||✔|form=Alola Form}}
{{Moveentry/6|051|Dugtrio|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|051A|Dugtrio|type=Ground|type2=Steel|1|Field|Field||||||✔|form=Alola Form}}
{{Moveentry/6|074|Geodude|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|074A|Geodude|type=Rock|type2=Electric|1|Mineral|Mineral||||||✔|form=Alola Form}}
{{Moveentry/6|075|Graveler|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|075A|Graveler|type=Rock|type2=Electric|1|Mineral|Mineral||||||✔|form=Alola Form}}
{{Moveentry/6|076|Golem|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|076A|Golem|type=Rock|type2=Electric|1|Mineral|Mineral||||||✔|form=Alola Form}}
{{Moveentry/6|095|Onix|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|104|Cubone|type=Ground|1|Monster|Monster|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|105|Marowak|type=Ground|1|Monster|Monster|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|105A|Marowak|type=Fire|type2=Ghost|1|Monster|Monster||||||✔|form=Alola Form}}
{{Moveentry/6|108|Lickitung|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|111|Rhyhorn|type=Ground|type2=Rock|2|Monster|Field|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|112|Rhydon|type=Ground|type2=Rock|2|Monster|Field|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|113|Chansey|type=Normal|1|Fairy|Fairy|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|115|Kangaskhan|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|128|Tauros|type=Normal|1|Field|Field||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|130|Gyarados|type=Water|type2=Flying|2|Water 2|Dragon|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|138|Omanyte|type=Rock|type2=Water|2|Water 1|Water 3|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|139|Omastar|type=Rock|type2=Water|2|Water 1|Water 3|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|140|Kabuto|type=Rock|type2=Water|2|Water 1|Water 3|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|141|Kabutops|type=Rock|type2=Water|2|Water 1|Water 3|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|142|Aerodactyl|type=Rock|type2=Flying|1|Flying|Flying|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|143|Snorlax|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|144|Articuno|type=Ice|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|145|Zapdos|type=Electric|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|146|Moltres|type=Fire|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|149|Dragonite|type=Dragon|type2=Flying|2|Water 1|Dragon|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|150|Mewtwo|type=Psychic|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|151|Mew|type=Psychic|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|185|Sudowoodo|type=Rock|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|194|Wooper|type=Water|type2=Ground|2|Water 1|Field|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|195|Quagsire|type=Water|type2=Ground|2|Water 1|Field|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|204|Pineco|type=Bug|1|Bug|Bug||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|205|Forretress|type=Bug|type2=Steel|1|Bug|Bug|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|207|Gligar|type=Ground|type2=Flying|1|Bug|Bug|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|208|Steelix|type=Steel|type2=Ground|1|Mineral|Mineral|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|212|Scizor|type=Bug|type2=Steel|1|Bug|Bug|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|213|Shuckle|type=Bug|type2=Rock|1|Bug|Bug|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|219|Magcargo|type=Fire|type2=Rock|1|Amorphous|Amorphous||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|220|Swinub|type=Ice|type2=Ground|1|Field|Field||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|221|Piloswine|type=Ice|type2=Ground|1|Field|Field||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|222|Corsola|type=Water|type2=Rock|2|Water 1|Water 3|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|227|Skarmory|type=Steel|type2=Flying|1|Flying|Flying|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|231|Phanpy|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|232|Donphan|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|237|Hitmontop|type=Fighting|1|Human-Like|Human-Like||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|241|Miltank|type=Normal|1|Field|Field|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|242|Blissey|type=Normal|1|Fairy|Fairy|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|243|Raikou|type=Electric|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|244|Entei|type=Fire|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|245|Suicune|type=Water|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|246|Larvitar|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Monster|Monster|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|247|Pupitar|type=Rock|type2=Ground|1|Monster|Monster|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|248|Tyranitar|type=Rock|type2=Dark|1|Monster|Monster|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|249|Lugia|type=Psychic|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|250|Ho-Oh|type=Fire|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|251|Celebi|type=Psychic|type2=Grass|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|290|Nincada|type=Bug|type2=Ground|1|Bug|Bug||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|291|Ninjask|type=Bug|type2=Flying|1|Bug|Bug||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|292|Shedinja|type=Bug|type2=Ghost|1|Mineral|Mineral||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|299|Nosepass|type=Rock|1|Mineral|Mineral||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|303|Mawile|type=Steel|type2=Fairy|2|Field|Fairy||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|304|Aron|type=Steel|type2=Rock|1|Monster|Monster||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|305|Lairon|type=Steel|type2=Rock|1|Monster|Monster||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|306|Aggron|type=Steel|type2=Rock|1|Monster|Monster||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|322|Numel|type=Fire|type2=Ground|1|Field|Field||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|323|Camerupt|type=Fire|type2=Ground|1|Field|Field||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|328|Trapinch|type=Ground|1|Bug|Bug||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|329|Vibrava|type=Ground|type2=Dragon|1|Bug|Bug||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|330|Flygon|type=Ground|type2=Dragon|1|Bug|Bug||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|331|Cacnea|type=Grass|2|Grass|Human-Like||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|332|Cacturne|type=Grass|type2=Dark|2|Grass|Human-Like||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|337|Lunatone|type=Rock|type2=Psychic|1|Mineral|Mineral||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|338|Solrock|type=Rock|type2=Psychic|1|Mineral|Mineral||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|339|Barboach|type=Water|type2=Ground|1|Water 2|Water 2||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|340|Whiscash|type=Water|type2=Ground|1|Water 2|Water 2||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|343|Baltoy|type=Ground|type2=Psychic|1|Mineral|Mineral||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|344|Claydol|type=Ground|type2=Psychic|1|Mineral|Mineral||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|345|Lileep|type=Rock|type2=Grass|1|Water 3|Water 3||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|346|Cradily|type=Rock|type2=Grass|1|Water 3|Water 3||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|347|Anorith|type=Rock|type2=Bug|1|Water 3|Water 3||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|348|Armaldo|type=Rock|type2=Bug|1|Water 3|Water 3||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|351|Castform|type=Normal|2|Fairy|Amorphous||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|359|Absol|type=Dark|1|Field|Field||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|369|Relicanth|type=Water|type2=Rock|2|Water 1|Water 2||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|375|Metang|type=Steel|type2=Psychic|1|Mineral|Mineral||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|376|Metagross|type=Steel|type2=Psychic|1|Mineral|Mineral||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|377|Regirock|type=Rock|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|379|Registeel|type=Steel|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|380|Latias|type=Dragon|type2=Psychic|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|381|Latios|type=Dragon|type2=Psychic|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|383|Groudon|type=Ground|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|384|Rayquaza|type=Dragon|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|385|Jirachi|type=Steel|type2=Psychic|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||✔|✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|389|Torterra|type=Grass|type2=Ground|2|Monster|Grass|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|408|Cranidos|type=Rock|1|Monster|Monster|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|409|Rampardos|type=Rock|1|Monster|Monster|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|410|Shieldon|type=Rock|type2=Steel|1|Monster|Monster|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|411|Bastiodon|type=Rock|type2=Steel|1|Monster|Monster|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|413G|Wormadam|type=Bug|type2=Ground|1|Bug|Bug|||✔|✔|✔|✔|form=Sandy Cloak}}
{{Moveentry/6|423|Gastrodon|type=Water|type2=Ground|2|Water 1|Amorphous|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|436|Bronzor|type=Steel|type2=Psychic|1|Mineral|Mineral|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|437|Bronzong|type=Steel|type2=Psychic|1|Mineral|Mineral|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|438|Bonsly|type=Rock|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|443|Gible|type=Dragon|type2=Ground|2|Monster|Dragon|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|444|Gabite|type=Dragon|type2=Ground|2|Monster|Dragon|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|445|Garchomp|type=Dragon|type2=Ground|2|Monster|Dragon|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|446|Munchlax|type=Normal|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|449|Hippopotas|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|450|Hippowdon|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|463|Lickilicky|type=Normal|1|Monster|Monster|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|464|Rhyperior|type=Ground|type2=Rock|2|Monster|Field|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|472|Gliscor|type=Ground|type2=Flying|1|Bug|Bug|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|473|Mamoswine|type=Ice|type2=Ground|1|Field|Field|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|476|Probopass|type=Rock|type2=Steel|1|Mineral|Mineral|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|480|Uxie|type=Psychic|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|481|Mesprit|type=Psychic|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|482|Azelf|type=Psychic|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|483|Dialga|type=Steel|type2=Dragon|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|484|Palkia|type=Water|type2=Dragon|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|493|Arceus|type=Normal|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||✔|✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|524|Roggenrola|type=Rock|1|Mineral|Mineral||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|525|Boldore|type=Rock|1|Mineral|Mineral||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|526|Gigalith|type=Rock|1|Mineral|Mineral||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|529|Drilbur|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|530|Excadrill|type=Ground|type2=Steel|1|Field|Field||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|551|Sandile|type=Ground|type2=Dark|1|Field|Field||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|552|Krokorok|type=Ground|type2=Dark|1|Field|Field||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|553|Krookodile|type=Ground|type2=Dark|1|Field|Field||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|557|Dwebble|type=Bug|type2=Rock|2|Bug|Mineral||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|558|Crustle|type=Bug|type2=Rock|2|Bug|Mineral||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|564|Tirtouga|type=Water|type2=Rock|2|Water 1|Water 3||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|565|Carracosta|type=Water|type2=Rock|2|Water 1|Water 3||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|566|Archen|type=Rock|type2=Flying|2|Flying|Water 3||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|567|Archeops|type=Rock|type2=Flying|2|Flying|Water 3||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|598|Ferrothorn|type=Grass|type2=Steel|2|Grass|Mineral||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|599|Klink|type=Steel|1|Mineral|Mineral||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|600|Klang|type=Steel|1|Mineral|Mineral||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|601|Klinklang|type=Steel|1|Mineral|Mineral||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|617|Accelgor|type=Bug|1|Bug|Bug||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|618|Stunfisk|type=Ground|type2=Electric|2|Water 1|Amorphous||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|624|Pawniard|type=Dark|type2=Steel|1|Human-Like|Human-Like||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|625|Bisharp|type=Dark|type2=Steel|1|Human-Like|Human-Like||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|632|Durant|type=Bug|type2=Steel|1|Bug|Bug||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|638|Cobalion|type=Steel|type2=Fighting|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|639|Terrakion|type=Rock|type2=Fighting|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|645|Landorus|type=Ground|type2=Flying|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||||✔|✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|659|Bunnelby|type=Normal|1|Field|Field|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|660|Diggersby|type=Normal|type2=Ground|1|Field|Field|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|688|Binacle|type=Rock|type2=Water|1|Water 3|Water 3|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|689|Barbaracle|type=Rock|type2=Water|1|Water 3|Water 3|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|694|Helioptile|type=Electric|type2=Normal|2|Monster|Dragon|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|695|Heliolisk|type=Electric|type2=Normal|2|Monster|Dragon|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|696|Tyrunt|type=Rock|type2=Dragon|2|Monster|Dragon|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|697|Tyrantrum|type=Rock|type2=Dragon|2|Monster|Dragon|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|698|Amaura|type=Rock|type2=Ice|1|Monster|Monster|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|699|Aurorus|type=Rock|type2=Ice|1|Monster|Monster|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|703|Carbink|type=Rock|type2=Fairy|2|Fairy|Mineral|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|718|Zygarde|type=Dragon|type2=Ground|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|719|Diancie|type=Rock|type2=Fairy|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|721|Volcanion|type=Fire|type2=Water|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered|||||✔|✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|734|Yungoos|type=Normal|1|Field|Field||||||✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|735|Gumshoos|type=Normal|1|Field|Field||||||✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|741|Oricorio|type=Fire|type2=Flying|1|Flying|Flying||||||✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|749|Mudbray|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||||||✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|750|Mudsdale|type=Ground|1|Field|Field||||||✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|769|Sandygast|type=Ghost|type2=Ground|1|Amorphous|Amorphous||||||✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|770|Palossand|type=Ghost|type2=Ground|1|Amorphous|Amorphous||||||✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|772|Type: Null|type=Normal|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||||||✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|773|Silvally|type=Normal|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||||||✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|774|Minior|type=Rock|type2=Flying|1|Mineral|Mineral||||||✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|782|Jangmo-o|type=Dragon|1|Dragon|Dragon||||||✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|783|Hakamo-o|type=Dragon|type2=Fighting|1|Dragon|Dragon||||||✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|784|Kommo-o|type=Dragon|type2=Fighting|1|Dragon|Dragon||||||✔}}
{{Moveentry/6|793|Nihilego|type=Rock|type2=Poison|1|Undiscovered|Undiscovered||||||✔}}
{{Movefoot|Rock|6}}

===Special move===
====[[Generation III]]====
{{Movehead/Special|Rock}}
{{Moveentry/1|051|Dugtrio|type=Ground|1|Field|Field|[[Purification|Purified]] in {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}}}}
{{Movefoot|Rock|1}}

==In other games==
===Description===
{{movedesc|rock}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrevmd|RB}}|Changes the dungeon floor's weather to Sandstorm for several turns.}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==In the anime==
{{moveanime|type=rock|exp=yes|gen=The user releases sand at the opponent|image1=Ritchie Cruise Sandstorm.png|image1p=Pupitar|image2=Ash Boldore Sandstorm.png|image2p=Boldore|image3=James Cacnea Sandstorm.png
|image3p=Cacnea|image4=Khoury Gible Sandstorm.png|image4p=Gible}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=028|pkmn=Sandslash|method=Sandslash crosses its arms and spins around counter-clockwise, whipping up a sandstorm.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Jenaro|user1=Jenaro's Sandslash|startcode=EP219|startname=Hi Ho Silver... Away!|notes=Debut}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=247|pkmn=Pupitar|method=Pupitar's eyes flash blue, and it whips up a sandstorm from its body.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Ritchie|user1=Ritchie's Cruise|startcode=EP220|startname=The Mystery is History}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Rico|user1=Rico's Pupitar|startcode=AG006|startname=A Poached Ego!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=208|pkmn=Steelix|method=Steelix lifts its head straight up and spins around, creating a sand tornado, or the rocks with the giant spikes on Steelix's upper-body spin rapidly and sand is released from them, or Steelix floats into the air and starts rapidly spinning around in circles. It then fires a sandstorm at the opponent from its body.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Jasmine's Steelix|startcode=EP224|startname=Nerves of Steelix!}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Hun|user1=Hun's Steelix|startcode=The Legend of Thunder!}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Harrison (Johto)|user1=Harrison's Steelix|startcode=EP271|startname=Playing with Fire!}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Steelix (Pokémon)|user1=A wild Steelix|startcode=AG058|startname=All Torkoal, No Play}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=095|pkmn=Onix|method=Onix releases a sandstorm from its body.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Brock's Onix|startcode=EP259|startname=Entei at Your Own Risk}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=299|pkmn=Nosepass|method=Nosepass's nose glows light blue and a sandstorm whips up, or Nosepass spins around, releasing a spiraling sand tornado from its body at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Roxanne's Nosepass|startcode=AG016|startname=A Winner by a Nosepass}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Alan|user1=Alan's Nosepass|startcode=DP058|startname=Nosing 'Round the Mountain!}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Nosepass (Pokémon)|user1=A Coordinator's Nosepass|startcode=DP095|startname=Battling the Generation Gap!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=323|pkmn=Camerupt|method=Camerupt blows air out of its nose, making dirt from the ground come up and creating a sandstorm.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Winstrate family|user1=Vicky Winstrate's Camerupt|startcode=AG046|startname=Candid Camerupt!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=331|pkmn=Cacnea|method=Cacnea spins on one foot, releasing a tornado of sand and sending it at the opponent, or Cacnea waves its arms in circles and a sandstorm comes off its body, blowing the opponent away.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=James's Cacnea|startcode=AG048|startname=ZigZag Zangoose!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=219|pkmn=Magcargo|method=Magcargo goes into its shell and spins around quickly, making a sandstorm appear.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Flannery|user1=Flannery's Mag|startcode=AG056|startname=Going, Going, Yawn}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=306|pkmn=Aggron|method=Aggron swings its arms so one of them is in the air and its body becomes surrounded by a spiral of sand that knocks back the opponent, or Aggron stomps on the ground, kicking up dirt and sending a sand cyclone at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Aggron (Pokémon)|user1=A wild Aggron|startcode=PK13|startname=Pikachu's Summer Festival}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Dr. Yung|user1=A mirage Aggron|startcode=The Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=338|pkmn=Solrock|method=Solrock releases a sandstorm from its body.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Tate's Solrock|startcode=AG099|startname=It's Still Rocket Roll to Me!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=330|pkmn=Flygon|method=Flygon flaps its wings and releases a tornado of sand at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Drew|user1=Drew's Flygon|startcode=AG123|startname=Rhapsody in Drew}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=232|pkmn=Donphan|method=Donphan slams its trunk into the ground, then brings it up quickly, creating a sand tornado from the dirt it kicks up.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Tyson (Hoenn)|user1=Tyson's Donphan|startcode=AG131|startname=At the End of the Fray}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=344|pkmn=Claydol|method=Claydol spins around quickly near the ground and whips up a sandstorm.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Palace Maven Spenser|user1=Spenser's Claydol|startcode=AG164|startname=Ka Boom with a View!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=446|pkmn=Munchlax|method=Munchlax releases a sandstorm from its body.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=May's Munchlax|startcode=AG165|startname=King and Queen for a Day!|notes=Used via {{color2|{{rock color dark}}|Metronome (move)|Metronome}}}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=074|pkmn=Geodude|method=Geodude lifts its arms from the ground up and creates a sandstorm.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Brock's Geodude|startcode=AG177|startname=Grating Spaces!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=379|pkmn=Registeel|method=Registeel waves its arms and creates a sand tornado that it launches at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Brandon's legendary titans|user1=Brandon's Registeel|startcode=AG186|startname=Overjoyed!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=246|pkmn=Larvitar|method=Larvitar points the horn on its head at the opponent and waves it around in circles, making a sand tornado come out and push the opponent back, or Larvitar jumps into the air, glowing several different colors and then stomps down onto the ground, causing sand to swirl out from under it in all directions.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Matt (AG188)|user1=A Larvitar Matt was Pokésitting|startcode=AG188|startname=Pinch Healing!}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Chris (BW088)|user1=Chris's Larvitar|startcode=BW088|startname=The Mystery of the Missing Cubchoo!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=291|pkmn=Ninjask|method=Ninjask flaps its wings fast and creates a huge sandstorm.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Pyramid King Brandon|user1=Brandon's Ninjask|startcode=AG190|startname=Pace - The Final Frontier!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=027|pkmn=Sandshrew|method=Sandshrew jumps and lands on the ground, kicking up dirt. Then, it motions its hands towards the opponent, releasing a sandstorm at them.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Mira|user1=Mira's Sandshrew|startcode=DP047|startname=Sandshrew's Locker!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=472|pkmn=Gliscor|method=Gliscor flaps its wings and releases a sandstorm from them at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Paul|user1=Paul's Gliscor|startcode=DP064|startname=Riding the Winds of Change!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=449|pkmn=Hippopotas|method=Hippopotas blows out of its nose, creating a sandstorm and sending it at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime#Hippopotas|user1=A wild Hippopotas|startcode=DP065|startname=Sleight of Sand!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=075|pkmn=Graveler|method=Graveler waves its arms from the ground up and releases a sandstorm at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=J's client (DP071)|user1=J's client's henchman's Graveler|startcode=DP072|startname=Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! Part 2}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Graveler (Pokémon)|user1=A wild Graveler|startcode=M16|startname=Genesect and the Legend Awakened}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=076|pkmn=Golem|method=Golem waves its arms from the ground up and releases a sandstorm at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=J's client (DP071)|user1=J's client's henchman's Golem|startcode=DP072|startname=Pokémon Ranger and the Kidnapped Riolu! Part 2}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Golem (Pokémon)|user1=A wild Golem|startcode=M16|startname=Genesect and the Legend Awakened}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=413G|pkmn=Wormadam|method=Wormadam closes its arms, then opens them quickly, and a sandstorm appears and spirals around Wormadam's body.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Ursula|user1=Ursula's Wormadam|startcode=DP114|startname=Another One Gabites the Dust!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=464|pkmn=Rhyperior|method=Rhyperior waves one of its arms to the side, creating a tornado of sand to appear around the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Tower Tycoon Palmer|user1=Palmer's Rhyperior|startcode=DP141|startname=Challenging a Towering Figure!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=443|pkmn=Gible|method=Gible waves one arm to kick up sand, then waves the other to create the sandstorm, or Gible repeatedly waves its arms and a sandstorm comes out of them.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Khoury|user1=Khoury's Gible|startcode=DP145|startname=A Rivalry to Gible on!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=444|pkmn=Gabite|method=Gabite calls out and a giant sand twister appears and surrounds its body.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Ursula's Gabite|startcode=DP175|startname=Opposites Interact!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=524|pkmn=Roggenrola|method=Roggenrola spins its body, causing a large tornado of sand to form around it, or Roggenrola lowers its head slightly and a tornado of sand appears around its body. The tornado then shoots out and hits the opponent, or Roggenrola jumps into the air, glowing several different colors and then stomps down onto the ground, causing sand to swirl out from under it in all directions.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Ash's Roggenrola|startcode=BW034|startname=Gotta Catch A Roggenrola!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=552|pkmn=Krokorok|method=Both of Krokorok's forearms glow sparkling white. It then fires a shining golden beam from its hands at the ground, causing a giant twister of sand to spread out all over the battlefield.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Clay|user1=Clay's Krokorok|startcode=BW061|startname=Battling the King of the Mines!}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=525|pkmn=Boldore|method=Boldore jumps into the air, glowing several different colors and then stomps down onto the ground, causing sand to swirl out from under it in all directions.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Ash's Boldore|startcode=BW083|startname=Rocking the Virbank Gym! Part 1}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=558|pkmn=Crustle|method=A multicolored aura surrounds Crustle's body and travels down its body and into the ground. Then, a twister of sand erupts from the ground under Crustle's body, engulfing anything near it.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Cilan's Crustle|startcode=PK24|startname=Meloetta's Moonlight Serenade}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=703|pkmn=Carbink|method=Carbink spins its body in a counterclockwise direction and then a sandstorm swirls around it, causing Pokemon to be hit by it and/or sent flying from the strong winds that are created by it or it flies in the air in a circular rotation with the front of its body always facing towards the centre of the storm will be and then it creates the sandstorm.}}
{{movebtm|type=rock|user=Carbink (Pokémon)|user1=A wild Cabrink|startcode=XY123|startname=A Diamond in the Rough!}}

* In ''[[DP072|Pokemon Ranger and Kidnapped Riolu (Part 2)]]'', J's client's henchman told his {{p|Rhyhorn}} to use Sandstorm. However, it couldn't perform the attack after being hit by a {{m|Bubble Beam}} from [[Dawn's Piplup]].

==In the manga==
===In the Ash & Pikachu manga===
{{movemanga|type=rock|exp=yes|gen=The user releases a sandstorm from its body.|image1=Roxanne Nosepass Sandstorm AP.png|image1p=Nosepass}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=299|pkmn=Nosepass|method=Nosepass releases a sandstorm from its body.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=rock|user=Roxanne's Nosepass|startcode=SP19|startname=Trust In Each Other!!|notes=Debut}}

===In the Be the Best! Pokémon B+W manga===
{{movemanga|type=rock|exp=yes|gen=The user causes a sandstorm to occur.|image1=Monta Excadrill Sandstorm.png|image1p=Excadrill}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=530|pkmn=Excadrill|method=Excadrill causes a sandstorm to occur.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=rock|user=Monta|user1=Monta's Excadrill|startcode=PBW3|startname=The Battle for More Friends!|notes=Debut}}

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{movemanga|type=rock|exp=yes|gen=The user releases a powerful sandstorm from its body.|image1=Silver Tyranitar Sandstorm Adventures.png|image1p=Tyranitar|image2=Buck Claydol Sandstorm Adventures.png|image2p=Claydol|image3=Mars Bronzor Sandstorm Adventures.png|image3p=Bronzor}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=248|pkmn=Tyranitar|method=Tyranitar releases a powerful sandstorm from its body.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Lance|user1=Lance's Tyranitar|startcode=PS111|startname=Tyranitar War|notes=Debut}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=436|pkmn=Bronzor|method=A powerful sandstorm appears behind Bronzor's body and sand blows onto the battlefield.}}
{{movemid|type=rock|user=Mars|user1=Mars's Bronzor|startcode=PS344|startname=Belligerent Bronzor}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=344|pkmn=Claydol|method=Claydol spins its body quickly, kicking up a powerful sandstorm around it.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=rock|user=Buck|user1=Buck's Claydol|startcode=PS422|startname=Interrupting Ivysaur}}

* In ''[[PS310|Just My Luck...Shuckle]]'', {{FB|Pike Queen|Lucy}}'s {{p|Shuckle}} was revealed to know Sandstorm by {{adv|Emerald}}'s [[Pokédex]].

===In the Pocket Monsters Diamond and Pearl manga===
{{movemanga|type=rock|exp=yes|gen=The user releases a powerful sandstorm from its body.|image1=Hippowdon Sandstorm PDP.png|image1p=Hippowdon}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=450|pkmn=Hippowdon|method=Hippowdon releases a sandstorm from the backside of its body.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=rock|user=Hippowdon (Pokémon)|user1=A wild Hippowdon|startcode=PDP16|notes=Debut}}

===In the Pocket Monsters Platinum: Aim to Be Battle King!! manga===
{{movemanga|type=rock|exp=yes|gen=The user releases a powerful sandstorm from its body.|image1=Shin Bronzong Sandstorm PBK.png|image1p=Bronzong}}
{{movep|type=rock|ms=437|pkmn=Bronzong|method=Bronzong spins around and releases a sandstorm.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=rock|user=Shin (PBK)|user1=Shin's Bronzong|startcode=PBK1|notes=Debut}}

==In other generations==
===Core series games===
{{Movegen
|type=Rock
|genII=Sandstorm II
|genIII=Sandstorm III
|genIV=Sandstorm IV
|genV=Sandstorm V
}}
===Spin-off series games===
{{Movegen
|type=Rock
|Stad2=Sandstorm Stad2
|Colo=Sandstorm Colo
|XD=Sandstorm XD
|PBR=Sandstorm PBR
}}
{{Movegen
|type=Rock
|PMDRB=Sandstorm PMD RB
}}

==Trivia==
* As of Generation VII, {{p|Charizard}} is the only Pokémon to have lost the ability to learn Sandstorm by TM.

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{rock color}}|bordercolor={{rock color dark}}
|zh_yue=沙暴 ''{{tt|Sābouh|Sandstorm}}''
|zh_cmn=沙暴 ''{{tt|Shābào|Sandstorm}}'' {{tt|*|Games}} 沙雹 ''{{tt|Shābáo|Sand Hail}}''
|nl=Zandstorm
|fi=Hiekkamyrsky
|fr=Tempête de Sable{{tt|*|Generation VI onwards}} Tempêtesable{{tt|*|Generations II-V}}
|de=Sandsturm
|el=Αμμοθύελλα
|hi=रेतीला तूफ़ान ''Rayteela Toofan''
|id=Badai Pasir
|it=Terrempesta
|ko=모래바람 ''Morae Baram''
|pt_br=Tempestade de Areia
|pt_eu=Tempestade de Areia
|pl=Burza Piaskowa
|sr=Peščana Oluja
|es={{tt|Tormenta Arena|Tormenta de Arena}}{{tt|*|Generation VI onwards}} Torm. Arena{{tt|*|Generations II-V}}
|ro=Furtună de Deșert Furtuna de Nisip
|vi=Bão Cát
}}
{{-}}
{{Rain Dance|Rock}}
{{Generation II TMs}}
{{Generation III TMs}}
{{Generation IV TMs}}
{{Generation V TMs}}
{{Generation VI TMs}}
{{Generation VII TMs}}
{{-}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Moves learned by purification]]
[[Category:Moves that can jam]]

[[de:Sandsturm]]
[[fr:Tempête de Sable]]
[[it:Terrempesta (mossa)]]
[[ja:すなあらし]]
[[pl:Sandstorm]]
[[zh:沙暴（招式）]]

Generation VII

2017-02-15T14:16:45Z

PartHunter: /* Alterations from Generation VI */ A lot of things added. How were some of these missed when this list was made? (rhetorical question)

{{Unknown name}}
{{incomplete}}
{{GenInfo
|titlescreen={{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 2}}|0=Sun|1=Moon}}
|size=250px
|primary=Sun
|secondary=Moon
|maingames={{pkmn|Sun and Moon}}
|suffix=
|region=Alola
|ndex=802
|storage={{pkmn|Bank}}
|debuten=November 18, 2016
|debutjp=November 18, 2016
}}

The '''seventh generation''' (Japanese: '''{{j|{{tt|第七世代|だいななせだい}}}}''' ''seventh generation'') of Pokémon games is the seventh installment of the Pokémon video game series starting with {{g|Sun and Moon}}. Like [[Generation VI]], the games of the seventh generation are presented on the [[Nintendo 3DS]].

==History==
The seventh generation of Pokémon was announced with the reveal of {{g|Sun and Moon}} on February 27, 2016, the [[Pokémon 20th Anniversary]]. These games were released worldwide on November 18, 2016, except in Europe where they were released on November 23, 2016.

The Generation VII games are not isolated from previous iterations and can communicate with both the [[Generation VI]] games and the [[Generation I]] [[Virtual Console]] re-releases through an online application known as [[Pokémon Bank]]. Through Pokémon Bank, [[Poké Transporter]], [[Poké Transfer]], and [[Pal Park]], Pokémon all the way from [[Generation III]] can be transferred to Generation VII.

==Advances in gameplay==
* The addition of {{cat|Generation VII Pokémon|81 new Pokémon}}, bringing the total to 802.
* The addition of 80 new [[move]]s.
* The addition of 41 new {{Abilities}}.
* A new region to explore, the [[Alola]] region, based on {{wp|Hawaii}}.
* A new [[Villainous teams|villainous team]], [[Team Skull]].
* Several [[Generation I]] Pokémon have a form unique to Alola known as a [[regional variant]]; this aspect of Generation VII is based on [[wp:Evolutionary pressure|selective pressures]] which occur in the [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|real world]].
* The player can move freely in any direction, as opposed to the eight-directional grid of the previous generation.
* The addition of the Rotom Pokédex, a special [[Pokédex]] inhabited by a {{p|Rotom}} that doubles as a real-time map on the bottom screen of the [[Nintendo 3DS]].
* The 3D models used for characters on the overworld are refined, and Trainers can be seen behind their Pokémon during battle, similar to {{g|Colosseum}}, {{pkmn|XD: Gale of Darkness}}, and {{pkmn|Battle Revolution}}.
* Certain NPC trainers may keep their Pokémon in [[Poké Ball]]s other than the standard {{ball|Poké}}.
* A new battle mechanic, [[Z-Move]]s, powerful moves that Pokémon can learn and perform once per battle.
* The addition of the [[island challenge]], a traditional rite in the Alola region involving trials guided by [[Trial Captain]]s, battling [[Totem Pokémon]], and battles with [[Island Kahuna]]s.
* The introduction of {{p|Greninja}}'s [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Greninja|Ash-Greninja form]] and {{p|Zygarde}}'s [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Zygarde|four alternate forms]], previously shown in the ''XY&Z'' arc of the {{pkmn|anime}}'s {{series|XY}}.
* Two new battle modes:
** A battle that takes part between four Trainers called a [[Battle Royal]], where each participating Trainer aims to defeat each other. The battle ends when all of one Trainer's Pokémon are [[Fainting|knocked out]], with the winner being the Trainer who has the highest combined number of knockouts and number of remaining Pokémon.
** A battle where [[wild Pokémon]] can summon allies to assist them called an [[SOS Battle]].
* The addition of a QR code scanner, which allows players to register Pokémon in their Pokédex and receive [[event Pokémon]].
* The addition of [[Poké Ride]]s, which allow players to summon Pokémon that they can ride to access otherwise inaccessible areas.
* The addition of [[Hyper Training]], a system that allows players to exchange special [[Bottle Cap]]s to maximize their the [[IV]]s of their [[Level]] 100 Pokémon.
* The addition of the [[Festival Plaza]], a hub accessible from the [[menu]] that allows the player to interact with other players locally or via the internet, as well as access various shops similarly to [[Join Avenue]].
* The addition of the [[Poké Pelago]], an option accessible from the [[menu]] that allows the player to send Pokémon that are stored in a [[PC]] [[Pokémon Storage System|Box]] to various islands, allowing them to gather items, discover [[wild Pokémon]], and even raise their [[level]]s and [[stat]]s.

===Alterations from Generation VI===
* Several Pokémon can learn new moves upon [[evolution]].
* The abandonment of the following elements:
** [[Horde Encounter]]s.
** [[Triple Battle]]s.
** [[Rotation Battle]]s.
** [[DexNav]].
** The [[PSS]].
** [[O-Power]]s.
** [[Poké Mile]]s.
** [[Pokémon Contest|Pokémon Contest Spectacular]]s.
** [[Mirage spot]]s.
** [[Soaring in the sky|Soaring]].
** [[Secret Base|Super-Secret Base]]s.
** [[Super Training]].
** [[Pokémon-Amie]], with [[Pokémon Refresh]] fulfilling this role instead.
** Counting how many of each species of Pokémon the player has encountered.
** The National Pokédex, with Pokémon from outside the Alola Pokédex having no Pokédex entry at all.

==Region==
[[File:Alola alt.png|thumb|250px|Alola]]
===Alola===
{{main|Alola}}
The [[Alola]] region was introduced in {{g|Sun and Moon}}. This island region is made up of four main islands and one artificial island.

====Starter Pokémon====
The starters of the seventh generation follow the traditional {{t|Grass}}/{{t|Fire}}/{{t|Water}} trio setup. At the beginning of the game, the player must choose between the Grass and {{type|Flying}} {{p|Rowlet}}, the Fire-type {{p|Litten}} and the Water-type {{p|Popplio}}.

====Trial Captains and Totem Pokémon====
There are seven [[Trial Captain]]s and eight [[Totem Pokémon]], Pokémon bigger than the rest of their species. Upon a Totem Pokémon's defeat, the player will get the corresponding [[Z-Crystal]] of the same type of the trial.

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{alola color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{alola color dark}}" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}; color:#{{alola color dark}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|{{alola color dark}}|Trial Captain}} Japanese
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}; color:#{{alola color dark}};" | Location
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}" | {{color2|{{alola color dark}}|Type}}
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}" | {{color2|{{alola color dark}}|Totem Pokémon}}
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{alola color dark}}|SOS Battle|Ally Pokémon}}
|-
| style="background:#{{normal color light}};" rowspan=2 | [[File:VSIlima.png|x120px|Ilima]] {{color2|{{normal color dark}}|Ilima}} {{color|{{normal color dark}}|イリマ Ilima}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" rowspan=2 | {{color2|{{normal color dark}}|Verdant Cavern}} {{color|{{normal color dark}}|茂みの洞窟 Verdant Cavern}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" rowspan=2 | {{tcolor|Normal|{{normal color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | [[File:735Gumshoos.png|120px|Gumshoos]] {{pcolor|Gumshoos|{{normal color dark}}}}{{sup/7|S}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | [[File:734Yungoos.png|120px|Yungoos]] {{pcolor|Yungoos|{{normal color dark}}}}{{sup/7|S}}
|-
| style="background:#{{normal color light}}" | [[File:020Raticate-Alola.png|120px|Alolan Raticate]] {{pcolor|Raticate|{{normal color dark}}|Alolan Raticate}}{{sup/7|M}}
| style="background:#{{normal color light}};" | [[File:019Rattata-Alola.png|120px|Alolan Rattata]] {{pcolor|Rattata|{{normal color dark}}|Alolan Rattata}}{{sup/7|M}}
|-
| style="background:#{{water color light}}; color:#{{water color dark}};"| [[File:VSLana.png|x120px|Lana]] {{color2|{{water color dark}}|Lana}} スイレン Suiren
| style="background:#{{water color light}}; color:#{{water color dark}};"| {{color2|{{water color dark}}|Brooklet Hill}} せせらぎの丘 Brooklet Hill
| style="background:#{{water color light}};"| {{tcolor|Water|{{water color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{water color light}}; color:#{{water color dark}};"| [[File:746Wishiwashi-School.png|120px|Wishiwashi]] {{pcolor|Wishiwashi|{{water color dark}}}} ({{color2|{{water color dark}}|List of Pokémon with form differences#Wishiwashi|School Form}})
| style="background:#{{water color light}}; color:#{{water color dark}};"| [[File:746Wishiwashi-Solo.png|120px|Wishiwashi]][[File:594Alomomola.png|120px|Alomomola]] {{pcolor|Wishiwashi|{{water color dark}}}} and {{pcolor|Alomomola|{{water color dark}}}}
|-
| style="background:#{{fire color light}}; color:#{{fire color dark}};"| [[File:VSKiawe.png|x120px|Kiawe]] {{color2|{{fire color dark}}|Kiawe}} カキ Kaki
| style="background:#{{fire color light}}; color:#{{fire color dark}};"| {{color2|{{fire color dark}}|Wela Volcano Park}} ヴェラ火山公園 Wela Volcano Park
| style="background:#{{fire color light}};"| {{tcolor|Fire}}
| style="background:#{{fire color light}}"| [[File:758Salazzle.png|120px|Salazzle]] {{pcolor|Salazzle|{{fire color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{fire color light}};| [[File:757Salandit.png|120px|Salandit]] {{pcolor|Salandit|{{fire color dark}}}}
|-
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}; color:#{{grass color dark}};" | [[File:VSMallow.png|x120px|Mallow]] {{color2|{{grass color dark}}|Mallow}} マオ Mao
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}; color:#{{grass color dark}};" | {{color2|{{grass color dark}}|Lush Jungle}} シェードジャングル Shade Jungle
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | {{tcolor|Grass}}
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}" | [[File:754Lurantis.png|120px|Lurantis]] {{pcolor|Lurantis|{{grass color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{grass color light}}; color:#{{grass color dark}};" | [[File:732Trumbeak.png|120px|Trumbeak]][[File:351Castform.png|120px|Castform]] {{pcolor|Trumbeak|{{grass color dark}}}} and {{pcolor|Castform|{{grass color dark}}}}
|-
| style="background:#{{electric color light}}; color:#{{electric color dark}};"| [[File:VSSophocles.png|x120px|Sophocles]] {{color2|{{electric color dark}}|Sophocles}} マーマネ Māmane
| style="background:#{{electric color light}}; color:#{{electric color dark}};"| {{color2|{{electric color dark}}|Hokulani Observatory}} ホクラニ天文台 Hōkūlani Observatory
| style="background:#{{electric color light}};"| {{tcolor|Electric}}
| style="background:#{{electric color light}};"| [[File:738Vikavolt.png|120px|Vikavolt]] {{pcolor|Vikavolt|{{electric color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{electric color light}}; color:#{{electric color dark}};"| [[File:737Charjabug.png|120px|Charjabug]][[File:737Charjabug.png|120px|Charjabug]] {{pcolor|Charjabug|{{electric color dark}}}} ×2
|-
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}; color:#{{ghost color dark}};" | [[File:VSAcerola.png|x120px|Acerola]] {{color2|{{ghost color dark}}|Acerola}} アセロラ Acerola
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}; color:#{{ghost color dark}};" | {{color2|{{ghost color dark}}|Thrifty Megamart (Abandoned Site)}} スーパー・メガやす　跡地 Supermarket Megacheap (Abandoned Site)
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}" | {{tcolor|Ghost}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}" | [[File:778Mimikyu.png|120px|Mimikyu]] {{pcolor|Mimikyu|{{ghost color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{ghost color light}}; color:#{{ghost color dark}};" | [[File:093Haunter.png|120px|Haunter]][[File:094Gengar.png|120px|Gengar]] {{pcolor|Haunter|{{ghost color dark}}}} and {{pcolor|Gengar|{{ghost color dark}}}}
|-
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; color:#{{fairy color dark}};"| [[File:VSMina.png|x120px|Mina]] {{color2|{{fairy color dark}}|Mina}} マツリカ Matsurika
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; color:#{{fairy color dark}};"| None
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}};"| {{tcolor|Fairy}}
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; color:#{{fairy color dark}};"| None
| style="background:#{{fairy color light}}; color:#{{fairy color dark}};"| None
|-
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; color:#{{dragon color dark}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | None
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; color:#{{dragon color dark}};" | {{color2|{{dragon color dark}}|Vast Poni Canyon}} ポニの大峡谷 Great Canyon of Poni
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}};" | {{tcolor|Dragon}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}};" | [[File:784Kommo-o.png|120px|Kommo-o]] {{pcolor|Kommo-o|{{dragon color dark}}}}
| style="background:#{{dragon color light}}; color:#{{dragon color dark}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:783Hakamo-o.png|120px|Hakamo-o]][[File:212Scizor.png|120px|Scizor]] {{pcolor|Hakamo-o|{{dragon color dark}}}} and {{pcolor|Scizor|{{dragon color dark}}}}
|}

====Grand trials====
After the player completes all the trials on an island, they must battle the kahuna of the island.

{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background:#{{alola color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{alola color dark}}" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}; color:#{{alola color dark}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|{{alola color dark}}|Island Kahuna}} Japanese
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}" | {{color|{{alola color dark}}|Location Japanese}}
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{alola color dark}}|Type}}
|-
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}; color:#{{fighting color dark}};" | [[File:VSHala.png|x120px|Hala]] {{color2|{{fighting color dark}}|Hala}} ハラ Hala
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}}; color:#{{fighting color dark}};"| {{color2|{{fighting color dark}}|Iki Town}} リリィタウン Liliʻi Town
| style="background:#{{fighting color light}};" | {{tcolor|Fighting}}
|-
| style="background:#{{rock color light}}; color:#{{rock color dark}};" | [[File:VSOlivia.png|x120px|Olivia]] {{color2|{{rock color dark}}|Olivia}} ライチ Lychee
| style="background:#{{rock color light}}; color:#{{rock color dark}};"| {{color2|{{rock color dark}}|Ruins of Life}} 命の遺跡 Ruins of Life
| style="background:#{{rock color light}};" | {{tcolor|Rock}}
|-
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}; color:#{{dark color dark}};" | [[File:VSNanu.png|x120px|Nanu]] {{color2|{{dark color dark}}|Nanu}} クチナシ Kuchinashi
| style="background:#{{dark color light}}; color:#{{dark color dark}};"| {{color2|{{dark color dark}}|Malie City}} マリエシティ Malie City
| style="background:#{{dark color light}};" | {{tcolor|Dark}}
|-
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}; color:#{{ground color dark}}; {{roundybl|5px}}" | [[File:VSHapu.png|x120px|]] {{color2|{{ground color dark}}|Hapu}} ハプウ Hapū
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}; color:#{{rock color dark}};" | {{color2|{{ground color dark}}|Vast Poni Canyon}} ポニの大峡谷 Great Canyon of Poni
| style="background:#{{ground color light}}; {{roundybr|5px}}" | {{tcolor|Ground}}
|}



==English title screens==
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{alola color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{alola color}}"
|-
| style="background: #{{sun color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|{{sun color dark}}|Pokémon Sun and Moon |Pokémon Sun}}
| style="background: #{{moon color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{moon color dark}}|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Pokémon Moon}}
|-
| style="background: #{{sun color}};" | [[File:SunTitle.png|300px]]
| style="background: #{{moon color}};" | [[File:MoonTitle.png|300px]]
|}

==Japanese title screens==
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{alola color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{alola color}}"
|-
| style="background: #{{sun color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|{{sun color dark}}|Pokémon Sun and Moon |Pokémon Sun}}
| style="background: #{{moon color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color2|{{moon color dark}}|Pokémon Sun and Moon|Pokémon Moon}}
|-
| style="background: #{{sun color}};" | [[File:Japanese SunTitle.png|300px]]
| style="background: #{{moon color}};" | [[File:Japanese MoonTitle.png|300px]]
|}

==Trivia==
* Generation VII is the only generation in which:
** There are no [[Gym Leader]]s, [[Gym]]s, or Badges.
** [[Bicycle]]s and [[Gate]]s do not appear.
** [[HM]]s and [[field move]]s are not present.
** A [[Legendary Pokémon]] that is part of an [[List of Pokémon by evolution family|evolutionary family]] was introduced.
* Generation VII is also the only generation that did not introduce:
** A Pokémon that evolves through [[trade|trading]].
** A notable {{type|Ice}} [[type expert|expert]].
** A {{pkmn|Champion}} that precedes the player.


{{Core series}} 
{{Project Games notice}}

[[Category:Games]]

[[de:Siebte Spielgeneration]]
[[fr:Septième génération]]
[[it:Settima generazione]]
[[ja:第七世代]]
[[zh:第七世代]]

Eon Ticket

2017-02-15T14:02:09Z

PartHunter: /* Generation VI */ Note that it can be obtained via StreetPass from someone who got it that way, and can still be obtained this way.

[[File:Bag Eon Ticket Sprite.png|frame|left]]
[[File:Eon Ticket.png|thumb|200px|Eon Ticket]]
The '''Eon Ticket''' (Japanese: '''むげんのチケット''' ''Infinite Ticket'') is an [[event item|event]] [[Key Item]] in [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire]], {{v2|Emerald}}, {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Omega Ruby, and Alpha Sapphire}}. It cannot be obtained normally in-game; instead, it must be downloaded at a promotional event or using the Eon Ticket e-Card.

In Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, players are able to travel to [[Southern Island]] via [[S.S. Tidal]] once the {{ho|Elite Four}} have been defeated if they have the Eon Ticket in the Bag. This is where the version-opposite [[Eon duo|Eon Pokémon]] can be battled and caught: {{p|Latias}} in Pokémon Ruby and {{p|Latios}} in Pokémon Sapphire. In Pokémon Emerald, the Pokémon not selected to roam after the Elite Four's defeat will be present. The Eon Pokémon do not flee from battle, unlike their roaming counterparts in the Generation III games.

In Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, the player must first receive the Eon Ticket from the deliveryperson in a Pokémon Center. If the player talks to [[Norman]] in the Petalburg Gym after obtaining the Mega Bracelet, he escorts the player to the Slateport Harbor. A Sailor will replace the usual guide, taking the player to Southern Island. This sailor will offer to return the player to Stateport if talked to, although the player actually goes straight back to the Petalburg Gym if this offer is accepted. At the back of the island's forest is Latias{{sup/6|OR}}/Latios{{sup/6|AS}}, who will battle the player if interacted with. This Pokémon is not holding its Mega Stone, unlike its partner. After catching it, they player will immediately find a Soul Dew on the ground and put it in their Bag; if the battle ends with the Pokémon not being caught, it will remain staring at the player.

==Distribution==
[[File:Eon Ticket e-Card.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Eon Ticket e Card]]
===Generation III===
Distribution methods varied worldwide. In North America, the Eon Ticket could be transferred to the games through [[Mystery Gift|Mystery Events]] using an [[e-Reader]] and the Eon Ticket e-Card. In Europe, it was possible to get the Eon Ticket at promotional events, but it could also be downloaded through Mystery Events from special [[Nintendo]] cartridges via [[Game Link Cable]].

A player that received his/her Eon Ticket from either the e-Card or a promotional event is able to share a limited amount of Eon Tickets with other players via [[record mixing]]. However, Eon Tickets received via record mixing cannot be shared further. Record mixing is the only way to obtain the Eon Ticket in Emerald.

A physical copy of the ticket was available through ''[[Nintendo Power]]'' magazine, volume 173.

====Eon Ticket e-Card====
The '''Eon Ticket e-Card''' is a [[Pokémon Battle e Promotional cards|promotional Pokémon e Card]] which was available at E3 2003, in the September 2003 issue of Nintendo Power and for a limited time at Toys "R" Us stores. This card transfers the Eon Ticket via [[Mystery Events]] to the Key Items pocket of a US Version of [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Pokémon Ruby or Pokémon Sapphire]]. The Eon Ticket allows players to travel to [[Southern Island]], which is barren, except for the opportunity to catch either {{p|Latios}} or {{p|Latias}}, the one opposite of the player's version except in {{game|Emerald}}, where the roaming Pokémon is chosen by the player and the one not chosen will be at Southern Island. Since the non-Japanese versions of {{game|Emerald}} had removed the [[Mystery Events]] feature that was present in {{game3|Ruby and Sapphire|Pokémon Ruby|s}} and {{game3|Ruby and Sapphire|Pokémon Sapphire|s}}, the Eon Ticket can only be obtained in Emerald by mixing records with a Ruby or Sapphire game that already has the ticket. However, if the ticket on the Ruby and Sapphire game was obtained itself by record mixing, that particular game can not send the ticket via mixing, or for that matter, at all. The wild Pokémon will always be holding [[Soul Dew]] when it is caught. This is the only place that Soul Dew can be legally obtained in Generation III. Once the island is left, it cannot be returned to even with the ticket still in hand, though only in Ruby and Sapphire; in Emerald, the island remains accessible.

===Generation VI===
{{bulbanews/3|Mega Beedrill, Mega Pidgeot revealed|Eon Ticket to be available at select Game Mania stores in the Netherlands and Belgium|Eon Ticket to be distributed via code for North America, Europe}}

The Eon Ticket was revealed to return in the [[remake]]s {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}. A serial code to download the ticket was included in the December 2014 issue of [[CoroCoro]]. In the United States, Play! Pokémon League Leaders were given codes to distribute to participants at nearly a thousand Pokémon League locations. New York City's Nintendo World Store also had the Eon Ticket until January 14, 2015.
Additionally, the Eon Ticket was made available in the United Kingdom to 15 members of the public, who would pass the ticket to certain GAME stores throughout the country via StreetPass, who could then pass those on to customers who visit the store. This was officially marketed as the "[https://web.archive.org/web/20150809214537/http://www.pokemoneonticketuk.com/ The Great Eon Ticket Relay]" event.
{{-}}

The Eon Ticket can be received via StreetPass from another player who obtained it via StreetPass. As such, it can still be obtained via StreetPass. Since StreetPass data is exchanged with other people met via the PSS, including via the internet, it can also be obtained by connecting to the internet via the PSS, and can currently be obtained this way.

====Serial code locations and dates====
[[File:Korea Eon Ticket code.png|thumb|180px|Serial code card from South Korea]]
{| style="background: #285078; {{roundy|0.5em}}; border: 3.5px solid #901820"
|- style="color:#fff"
! Country
! width=23% | Location
! Code region
! Availability dates
! Redemption dates
|- style="background: #fff"
| Japan
| December 2014 issue of [[CoroCoro]] Comic
| Japanese
| [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/campaign/20141014_01.html November 15, 2014]
| November 26, 2014 to May 31, 2015
|- style="background: #fff"
| rowspan="2" | Singapore
| {{wp|Funan DigitaLife Mall}}
| Unknown
| [https://www.facebook.com/maxsoftonline/posts/689028121210301 November 21, 2014]
| rowspan="2" | November 26, 2014 to ???
|- style="background: #fff"
| Maxsoft Online Facebook page
| Unknown
| [https://www.facebook.com/maxsoftonline/posts/689028121210301 November 2014]
|- style="background: #fff"
| Hong Kong
| Fifth Nintendo 3DS Party, held at {{wp|iSQUARE}}
| Taiwanese and Japanese
| [https://www.facebook.com/Nintendo.hk/photos/a.1407502906132855.1073741826.1407500729466406/1557203557829455 November 22, 2014]
| November 26, 2014 to February 28, 2015
|- style="background: #fff"
| rowspan="2" | South Korea
| Pokémon Winter Carnival 2014, held at [http://www.dcubegeoje.com/eng/01_intro/intro_01.php D-Cube Department Store]
| rowspan="2" | Korean
| [http://pokemonkorea.co.kr/?inc=news-news_view&IDX=10324 December 14, 2014; December 20 to 21, 2014; December 25 to 28, 2014]
| December 14, 2014 to May 31, 2015
|- style="background: #fff"
| Participating movie theaters
| [http://pokemonkorea.co.kr/?inc=news-news_view&IDX=10346 January 14 to 18, 2015]
| December 14, 2014 to May 31, 2015
|- style="background: #fff"
| N/A
| Nintendo Taiwan Facebook page
| Japanese, American, PAL, and Taiwanese
| [https://archive.today/Mv7Z5 February 13 to 14, 2015]
| February 13 to 28, 2015
|- style="background: #fff"
| N/A
| [[Pokémon.com]]
| American (Common serial code: 2015LATIOSLATIAS)
| colspan="2" | [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/another-chance-to-get-your-ticket/ February 27 to March 2, 2015]
|- style="background: #fff"
| N/A
| [[Pokémon.com]]
| PAL (Common serial code: POKEMON380381)
| colspan="2" | [https://archive.today/mrsc5 February 27 to March 2, 2015]
|}{{-}}

====StreetPass locations and dates====
{| style="background: #285078; {{roundy|0.5em}}; border: 3.5px solid #901820"
|- style="color:#fff"
! Country
! Location
! width=23% | Dates
|- style="background: #fff"
| rowspan="2" | United States
| Play! Pokémon Leagues and Premier Challenges
| [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/get-the-eon-ticket-via-streetpass/ November 26, 2014 onward]
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{wp|Nintendo World Store}}
| [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/get-the-eon-ticket-via-streetpass/ November 26, 2014 to January 14, 2015]
|- style="background: #fff"
| rowspan="2" | Mexico
| {{wp|McDonald's}} and [https://www.facebook.com/PikashopMX Pikashop] stores
| [https://www.facebook.com/pokemex/posts/10152527394157194 November 29, 2014]
|- style="background: #fff"
| Premier Challenge, held at [https://www.facebook.com/PikashopMX Pikashop]
| [https://www.facebook.com/pokemex/posts/10152527394157194 December 6, 2014]
|- style="background: #fff"
| Belgium
| {{wp|Cora (hypermarket)|Cora}} and [http://www.gamemania.be/default.aspx Game Mania] stores
| [http://www.nintendo.be/fr/News/2014/Decembre/EON-Ticket-941391.html December 6 to 31, 2014]
|- style="background: #fff"
| Greece
| {{wp|The Mall Athens}}
| [http://www.nintendo.gr/pokemon-omega-ruby--alpha-sapphire.html December 6, 2014]
|- style="background: #fff"
| rowspan="2" | Hungary
| [http://sugar.hu/ Sugár mall]
| [http://bagszipoke.hu/9-hirek-es-frissitesek/jatekhirek/2330-erkezik-az-eon-ticket-magyarorszagra December 6, 2014]
|- style="background: #fff"
| [http://szegedplaza.hu/ Szeged Plaza]
| [https://www.facebook.com/events/1526220667647880 January 17, 2015]
|- style="background: #fff"
| rowspan="14" | [http://www.nintendo.it/Notizie/2014/novembre/Latias-e-Latios-arrivano-in-Italia-grazie-al-biglietto-Eone-AcchiappaliTutti--938411.html Italy]
| VideoGameShow, held at [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostra_d%27Oltremare Mostra d'Oltremare]
| December 6 to 8, 2014
|- style="background: #fff"
| [http://www.mestrecomics.com/en/ Mestre Comics 2014], held at [http://www.vegapark.ve.it/ VEGA]
| December 6 to 7, 2014
|- style="background: #fff"
| [http://www.umbriaplayer.it/ Umbria Player]
| December 6, 2014
|- style="background: #fff"
| La Concordia, {{wp|Turin}}
| December 7, 2014
|- style="background: #fff"
| StreetPass Meeting, held at Via Di Casal Bruciato 11 in {{wp|Rome}}
| rowspan="2" | December 13, 2014
|- style="background: #fff"
| StreetPass Meeting, held at Piazza di Porta Santo Stefano in {{wp|Bologna}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| StreetPass Meeting, held at Zucca Vuota in {{wp|Palermo}}
| rowspan="2" | December 14, 2014
|- style="background: #fff"
| VG Premier Challenge Rome, held at Dark Side
|- style="background: #fff"
| La Cassaforte Del Vecchio Papero
| rowspan="2" | December 20, 2014
|- style="background: #fff"
| VG Premier Challenge Imola, held at [http://www.cslastalla.it/ Centro Sociale "La Stalla"]
|- style="background: #fff"
| La Cassaforte Del Vecchio Papero
| December 21, 2014
|- style="background: #fff"
| StreetPass Meeting, held at Mediateca Regionale Pugliese in {{wp|Bari}}
| December 22, 2014
|- style="background: #fff"
| Pokémon Day, held at [https://www.facebook.com/gamepeoplegrosseto GamePeople Grosseto]
| January 4, 2015
|- style="background: #fff"
| VG Premier Challenge Trieste, held at [http://www.fantasy.it/ Fantasylandia]
| January 6, 2015
|- style="background: #fff"
| Luxembourg
| {{wp|Cora (hypermarket)|Cora}} stores
| [http://www.nintendo.be/fr/News/2014/Decembre/EON-Ticket-941391.html December 6 to 31, 2014]
|- style="background: #fff"
| Netherlands
| [http://www.gamemania.nl/default.aspx Game Mania] stores
| [http://www.nintendo.nl/Nieuws/2014/december/EON-Ticket-941391.html December 6 to 31, 2014]
|- style="background: #fff"
| Spain
| Fórum Metropolitano, CC. Vialia theater, Plaza Luceros, {{wp|Sagrada Família}}, {{wp|Guggenheim Museum Bilbao}}, [http://www.centrocomercialrutadelaplata.com/ Centro Comercial Ruta de la Plata], El Parque Eroski, [http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avenida_del_Gran_Capit%C3%A1n Avenida del Gran Capitán], [http://centrocomerciallosfresnos.com/ Centro Comercial Los Fresnos], {{wp|Observatorio Astronómico de La Sagra}}, {{wp|Guadalajara railway station}}, [http://www.ccelmuelle.es/ Centro Comercial El Muelle], [http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerta_de_Santiago Puerta de Santiago], {{wp|Madrid Atocha railway station}}, [http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estaci%C3%B3n_de_M%C3%A1laga-Mar%C3%ADa_Zambrano Málaga-María Zambrano railway station], {{wp|Cathedral of Murcia}}, {{wp|Palma Cathedral}}, [http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_del_Castillo Castle Square], {{wp|Casa de las Conchas}}, [http://www.msanmartin.es/ Nuevo Mercado San Martín], {{wp|Tenerife Espacio de las Artes}}, Jardines de Pereda, {{wp|Santiago de Compostela Cathedral}}, {{wp|Palace of San Telmo}}, Paseo Marítimo del Serrallo, [http://www.arenamultiespacio.com/ Centro Comercial Arena], [http://www.vallsur.com/W/do/centre/inicio Vallsur], [http://shorebee.com/en/spain/vigo/port Puerto De Transatlanticos], [http://www.puertovenecia.com/ Centro Comercial Puerto Venecia]
| [http://www.nintendo.es/Noticias/2014/diciembre/Consigue-el-Ticket-Eon-via-StreetPass-a-partir-del-13-de-diciembre-940296.html December 13, 2014]
|- style="background: #fff"
| Australia
| rowspan="2" | {{wp|EB Games}} stores
| rowspan="2" | [http://www.nintendo.com.au/index.php?action=news&nid=3582&pageID=6 December 18, 2014]
|- style="background: #fff"
| New Zealand
|}{{-}}

==Flavor text==
{{movedesc|dragon}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev3|RSE}}|The ticket for a ferry to a distant southern island.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}{{tt|*|Unobtainable}}|The ticket required for sailing on a ferry to a distant southern island. It features a drawing of an island.}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev6|ORAS}} {{gameabbrev7|SM}}{{tt|*|Unobtainable}}|The ticket required for sailing on a ferry to the Southern Island. Does [[Norman]], the Petalburg Gym Leader, know a secret?!}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==In other languages==
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|de=Äon-Ticket
|es_eu=Ticket Eón
|fr_eu=Passe Éon
|it=Biglietto Eone
|ko=무한티켓 ''Muhan Ticket''
}}

==See also==
*{{p|Latias}}
*{{p|Latios}}
*[[Southern Island]]

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Ability

2017-01-25T10:41:56Z

PartHunter: /* {{anchor|Hidden Ability|Hidden Abilities}} */ Added section top link for the VII list of released HAs (that list needs to be made, but it should be made and so needs a redlink), re-worded the SOS point and added Gen I to VII transfer.

An '''Ability''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|特性|とくせい}}''' ''ability'') is a game mechanic introduced in [[Generation III]] that provides a passive effect in battle or in the overworld. Individual Pokémon may have only one Ability at a time. Prior to [[Generation VI]], an Ability could not be changed after a Pokémon was obtained except by [[Evolution]]—where the new Ability is determined by the former Ability—and [[List of Pokémon with form differences|form change]]. Not every Ability is beneficial; {{cat|Abilities with negative effects|some will hinder the user}}.

==Mechanics==
[[File:Primordial Sea.png|thumb|[[Primal Reversion|Primal]] {{p|Kyogre}} activating its Ability, {{a|Primordial Sea}}]]
Some species of Pokémon have multiple possible Abilities. The most Abilities any species has is three: two normal Abilities and one Hidden Ability. In most [[wild Pokémon]] encounters, the Pokémon's Ability will be one of its non-Hidden Abilities (each having an even chance of appearing if the species has two). Hidden Abilities were introduced in [[Generation V]]; they are relatively rare and usually require some type of special encounter.

In technical terms, a species' Abilities may be thought of as having separate slots, with an individual Pokémon's non-Hidden slot determined by its [[personality value]]. For example, an {{p|Eevee}}—with two non-Hidden Abilities—has {{a|Run Away}} for its first non-Hidden slot, {{a|Adaptability}} for its second, and {{a|Anticipation}} for its Hidden Ability slot. {{p|Vaporeon}}—with only one non-Hidden Ability—can be considered to have {{a|Water Absorb}} for both non-Hidden slots. When a Pokémon evolves, its Ability slot remains the same. This means that a {{p|Poochyena}} with {{a|Run Away}} will evolve into a {{p|Mightyena}} with {{a|Intimidate}}, while a Poochyena with {{a|Quick Feet}} will evolve into a Mightyena with {{a|Quick Feet}}.

Aside from Evolution, there are three ways for Pokémon to change Abilities in a permanent manner. One way is if the Pokémon has different [[List of Pokémon with form differences|forms]] with different Abilities. Another way is through the [[Ability Capsule]], which was introduced in [[Generation VI]]. The Ability Capsule actually changes a Pokémon's non-Hidden Ability slot, but it will not work if the Pokémon has its Hidden Ability or if the species has only one non-Hidden Ability. Third, [[Pokémon Bank|transferring]] a Pokémon from the {{p|Venipede}} family with {{a|Quick Feet}} from [[Generation V]] to [[Generation VI]] causes its ability to be changed to {{a|Speed Boost}}. Aside from these methods, during battle, Pokémon may also change their Ability through [[Mega Evolution]] or [[Primal Reversion]], and certain [[move]]s and Abilities can also change a Pokémon's Ability.

When Abilities were introduced in [[Generation III]], some Pokémon only had one possible Ability. A number of these species were given a second Ability in a later generation. If a Pokémon whose species gained an Ability after Generation III is transferred to Generations IV or {{gen|V}}, it will initially retain its original Ability; upon evolving, however, its Ability slot will be recalculated and its Ability may change. When a Pokémon is transferred to Generation VI, however, it will be locked into the appropriate slot for its current Ability.

Aside from in-battle effects, some Abilities also have effects {{cat|Abilities with field effects|outside of battle}}.

==={{anchor|Hidden Ability|Hidden Abilities}}===
{{main|List of Pokémon with released Hidden Abilities (Generation V)}}
{{main|List of Pokémon with released Hidden Abilities (Generation VI)}}
{{main|List of Pokémon with released Hidden Abilities (Generation VII)}}
Beginning in [[Generation V]], {{cat|Pokémon without Hidden Abilities|most Pokémon}} were given an additional, '''Hidden Ability''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|隠|かく}}れ{{tt|特性|とくせい}}''' ''Hidden Ability''), which can only be acquired under special circumstances. Such circumstances are listed below.
* Where possible, all Pokémon obtained from the [[Pokémon Global Link]], either via the [[Pokémon Dream World]] or a [[List of Pokémon Global Link promotions/Pokémon|Global Link promotion]], will always have their Hidden Ability.
* Certain [[event Pokémon]] may have their Hidden Ability.
* Pokémon obtained from the [[Pokémon Dream Radar]] will have their Hidden Abilities.
* Some overworld Pokémon in {{game|Black and White|s}} have their Hidden Ability:
** The five {{p|Darmanitan}} in the [[Desert Resort]].
** The {{p|Musharna}} in the [[Dreamyard]] on Fridays.
* Any Pokémon found in [[Pokémon Black and White Versions 2|Pokémon Black 2 and White 2]]'s [[Hidden Grotto]]s have their Hidden Ability. In addition, the following Pokémon will have their Hidden Ability:
** On Mondays, a male {{p|Jellicent}} at [[Undella Bay]]{{sup/5|B2}} or a {{p|Braviary}} on {{rt|4|Unova}}{{sup/5|W2}}.
** On Thursdays, a {{p|Mandibuzz}} on {{rt|4|Unova}}{{sup/5|B2}} or a female {{p|Jellicent}} at [[Undella Bay]]{{sup/5|W2}}.
** A {{p|Deerling}} given as a gift on {{rt|6|Unova}}.
** [[Yancy]]/[[Curtis]] will trade the player a specific Pokémon with a hidden ability after entering the [[Hall of Fame]] and riding the ferris wheel with them.
* A Pokémon in a [[Horde Encounter]] may have its Hidden Ability.
* Pokémon found in a [[Friend Safari]] have approximately a 1 in 3 chance of having their Hidden Ability if the Friend to whom the Friend Safari corresponds has been recognized as a Friend in the PSS (i.e., if both players have been on the PSS at the same time).
* {{DL|DexNav|Hidden Pokémon}} have a small chance of having their Hidden Ability. The chance increases as more of the same species are encountered.
* In Generation VII, using [[SOS Battle]] chaining grants a chance that an ally Pokémon will have its Hidden Ability when called, which increases as the chain lengthens.
* All Pokémon transferred from the virtual console releases of Generation I via [[Poké Transfer]] and [[Pokémon Bank]] to Generation VII have their Hidden Ability.

===Abilities and breeding===
Before Generation V, the Ability slot that a [[Pokémon Egg]] would have when it hatched was left to random chance, resulting in a 50% chance of having either slot. Since Generation V, though, special mechanics have been introduced.

Starting in {{2v2|Black|White}}, female Pokémon with [[Ability#Hidden Abilities|Hidden Abilities]] have a 60% chance of passing on the Hidden Ability to their offspring when bred with a male Pokémon from the same [[Egg Group]]. In Generation VI, this was extended so that male and genderless Pokémon with a Hidden Ability can also pass it down if they are bred with Ditto. The chance of the offspring having either non-Hidden Ability is 20% each.

Starting in {{2v2|Black|White|2}}, there is an 80% chance that the Ability slot of the female will be passed to the baby when bred with a male Pokémon from the same Egg Group. Starting in Generation VI, this chance is generically applied to any non-Ditto parent.

==List of Abilities==
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background:#ddf; border:5px solid #ccf"
|-
|
{| border=1 width="100%" class="sortable" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background:#FFF; border:1px solid #ddf; border-collapse:collapse"
|- style="background:#ddf"
! #
! width=110 | Name
! Effect
! Generation
! Single
! Dual
! Hidden
|-
| 091
| {{a|Adaptability}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up moves of the same type as the Pokémon.
| IV
| 2
| 4
| 7
|-
| 184
| {{a|Aerilate}}
| style="text-align:left" | Normal-type moves become Flying-type moves. The power of those moves is boosted a little.
| VI
| 2
| 0
| 0
|-
| 106
| {{a|Aftermath}}
| style="text-align:left" | Damages the attacker if it contacts the Pokémon with a finishing hit.
| IV
| 0
| 4
| 4
|-
| {{tt|076|Was 077 in Generation III}}
| {{a|Air Lock}}
| style="text-align:left" | Eliminates the effects of weather.
| III
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 148
| {{a|Analytic}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts move power when the Pokémon moves last.
| V
| 0
| 0
| 12
|-
| 083
| {{a|Anger Point}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon is angered when it takes a critical hit, and that maxes its Attack stat.
| IV
| 0
| 3
| 6
|-
| 107
| {{a|Anticipation}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon can sense an opposing Pokémon's dangerous moves.
| IV
| 1
| 4
| 2
|-
| 071
| {{a|Arena Trap}}
| style="text-align:left" | Prevents opposing Pokémon from fleeing.
| III
| 0
| 3
| 0
|-
| 165
| {{a|Aroma Veil}}
| style="text-align:left" | Protects itself and its allies from attacks that limit their move choices.
| VI
| 0
| 0
| 2
|-
| 188
| {{a|Aura Break}}
| style="text-align:left" | The effects of "Aura" Abilities are reversed to lower the power of affected moves.
| VI
| 0
| 1
| 0
|-
| 123
| {{a|Bad Dreams}}
| style="text-align:left" | Reduces the HP of sleeping opposing Pokémon.
| IV
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 217
| {{a|Battery}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up ally Pokémon's special moves.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 004
| {{a|Battle Armor}}
| style="text-align:left" | Hard armor protects the Pokémon from critical hits.
| III
| 3
| 4
| 2
|-
| 210
| {{a|Battle Bond}}
| style="text-align:left" | Defeating an opposing Pokémon strengthens the Pokémon's bond with its Trainer, and it becomes Ash-Greninja. Water Shuriken gets more powerful.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 224
| {{a|Beast Boost}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon boosts its most proficient stat each time it knocks out a Pokémon.
| VII
| 7
| 0
| 0
|-
| 201
| {{a|Berserk}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Pokémon's Sp. Atk stat when it takes a hit that causes its HP to become half or less.
| VII
| 0
| 1
| 0
|-
| 145
| {{a|Big Pecks}}
| style="text-align:left" | Protects the Pokémon from Defense-lowering effects.
| V
| 1
| 7
| 4
|-
| 066
| {{a|Blaze}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up Fire-type moves when the Pokémon's HP is low.
| III
| 21
| 0
| 2
|-
| 171
| {{a|Bulletproof}}
| style="text-align:left" | Protects the Pokémon from some ball and bomb moves.
| VI
| 0
| 3
| 3
|-
| {{tt|—|Was 076 in Generation III, doesn't exist in other generations}}
| {{a|Cacophony}}
| style="text-align:left" | Avoids sound-based moves.
| III
| 0
| 0
| 0
|-
| 167
| {{a|Cheek Pouch}}
| style="text-align:left" | Restores HP as well when the Pokémon eats a Berry.
| VI
| 0
| 3
| 0
|-
| 034
| {{a|Chlorophyll}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Pokémon's Speed stat in sunshine.
| III
| 10
| 19
| 6
|-
| 029
| {{a|Clear Body}}
| style="text-align:left" | Prevents other Pokémon's moves or Abilities from lowering the Pokémon's stats.
| III
| 8
| 2
| 3
|-
| 013
| {{a|Cloud Nine}}
| style="text-align:left" | Eliminates the effects of weather.
| III
| 0
| 2
| 5
|-
| 016
| {{a|Color Change}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon's type becomes the type of the move used on it.
| III
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 213
| {{a|Comatose}}
| style="text-align:left" | It's always drowsing and will never wake up. It can attack without waking up.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 172
| {{a|Competitive}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Sp. Atk stat sharply when a stat is lowered.
| VI
| 0
| 7
| 1
|-
| 014
| {{a|Compound Eyes}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon's compound eyes boost its accuracy.
| III
| 2
| 6
| 1
|-
| 126
| {{a|Contrary}}
| style="text-align:left" | Makes stat changes have an opposite effect.
| V
| 0
| 2
| 7
|-
| 212
| {{a|Corrosion}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon can poison the target even if it's a Steel or Poison type.
| VII
| 2
| 0
| 0
|-
| 130
| {{a|Cursed Body}}
| style="text-align:left" | May disable a move used on the Pokémon.
| V
| 1
| 3
| 3
|-
| 056
| {{a|Cute Charm}}
| style="text-align:left" | Contact with the Pokémon may cause infatuation.
| III
| 1
| 11
| 2
|-
| 006
| {{a|Damp}}
| style="text-align:left" | Prevents the use of explosive moves such as Self-Destruct by dampening its surroundings.
| III
| 0
| 8
| 10
|-
| 216
| {{a|Dancer}}
| style="text-align:left" | When another Pokémon uses a dance move, it can use a dance move following it regardless of its Speed.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 186
| {{a|Dark Aura}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up each Pokémon's Dark-type moves.
| VI
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 219
| {{a|Dazzling}}
| style="text-align:left" | Surprises the opposing Pokémon, making it unable to attack using priority moves.
| VII
| 0
| 1
| 0
|-
| 129
| {{a|Defeatist}}
| style="text-align:left" | Halves the Pokémon's Attack and Sp. Atk stats when its HP becomes half or less.
| V
| 2
| 0
| 0
|-
| 128
| {{a|Defiant}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Pokémon's Attack stat sharply when its stats are lowered.
| V
| 0
| 2
| 11
|-
| 191
| {{a|Delta Stream}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon changes the weather to eliminate all of the Flying type's weaknesses.
| VI
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 190
| {{a|Desolate Land}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon changes the weather to nullify Water-type attacks.
| VI
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 209
| {{a|Disguise}}
| style="text-align:left" | Once per battle, the shroud that covers the Pokémon can protect it from an attack.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 088
| {{a|Download}}
| style="text-align:left" | Compares an opposing Pokémon's Defense and Sp. Def stats before raising its own Attack or Sp. Atk stat—whichever will be more effective.
| IV
| 1
| 3
| 0
|-
| 002
| {{a|Drizzle}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon makes it rain when it enters a battle.
| III
| 1
| 1
| 1
|-
| 070
| {{a|Drought}}
| style="text-align:left" | Turns the sunlight harsh when the Pokémon enters a battle.
| III
| 2
| 1
| 2
|-
| 087
| {{a|Dry Skin}}
| style="text-align:left" | Restores HP in rain or when hit by Water-type moves. Reduces HP in sunshine, and increases the damage received from Fire-type moves.
| IV
| 0
| 6
| 1
|-
| 048
| {{a|Early Bird}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon awakens twice as fast as other Pokémon from sleep.
| III
| 0
| 13
| 2
|-
| 027
| {{a|Effect Spore}}
| style="text-align:left" | Contact with the Pokémon may inflict poison, sleep, or paralysis on its attacker.
| III
| 2
| 6
| 1
|-
| 226
| {{a|Electric Surge}}
| style="text-align:left" | Turns the ground into Electric Terrain when the Pokémon enters a battle.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 194
| {{a|Emergency Exit}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon, sensing danger, switches out when its HP becomes half or less.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 187
| {{a|Fairy Aura}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up each Pokémon's Fairy-type moves.
| VI
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 111
| {{a|Filter}}
| style="text-align:left" | Reduces the power of supereffective attacks taken.
| IV
| 1
| 2
| 0
|-
| 049
| {{a|Flame Body}}
| style="text-align:left" | Contact with the Pokémon may burn the attacker.
| III
| 7
| 5
| 4
|-
| 138
| {{a|Flare Boost}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up special attacks when the Pokémon is burned.
| V
| 0
| 0
| 2
|-
| 018
| {{a|Flash Fire}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up the Pokémon's Fire-type moves if it's hit by one.
| III
| 4
| 10
| 3
|-
| 122
| {{a|Flower Gift}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Attack and Sp. Def stats of itself and allies when it is sunny.
| IV
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 166
| {{a|Flower Veil}}
| style="text-align:left" | Ally Grass-type Pokémon are protected from status conditions and the lowering of their stats.
| VI
| 3
| 1
| 0
|-
| 218
| {{a|Fluffy}}
| style="text-align:left" | Halves the damage taken from moves that make direct contact, but doubles that of Fire-type moves.
| VII
| 0
| 2
| 0
|-
| 059
| {{a|Forecast}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon transforms with the weather to change its type to Water, Fire, or Ice.
| III
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 108
| {{a|Forewarn}}
| style="text-align:left" | When it enters a battle, the Pokémon can tell one of the moves an opposing Pokémon has.
| IV
| 0
| 6
| 0
|-
| 132
| {{a|Friend Guard}}
| style="text-align:left" | Reduces damage done to allies.
| V
| 0
| 0
| 8
|-
| 119
| {{a|Frisk}}
| style="text-align:left" | When it enters a battle, the Pokémon can check an opposing Pokémon's held item.
| IV
| 1
| 12
| 8
|-
| 230
| {{a|Full Metal Body}}
| style="text-align:left" | Prevents other Pokémon's moves or Abilities from lowering the Pokémon's stats.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 169
| {{a|Fur Coat}}
| style="text-align:left" | Halves the damage from physical moves.
| VI
| 1
| 1
| 0
|-
| 177
| {{a|Gale Wings}}
| style="text-align:left" | Gives priority to Flying-type moves when the Pokémon's HP is full.
| VI
| 0
| 0
| 3
|-
| 206
| {{a|Galvanize}}
| style="text-align:left" | Normal-type moves become Electric-type moves. The power of those moves is boosted a little.
| VII
| 0
| 0
| 3
|-
| 082
| {{a|Gluttony}}
| style="text-align:left" | Makes the Pokémon eat a held Berry when its HP drops to half or less, which is sooner than usual.
| IV
| 6
| 8
| 9
|-
| 183
| {{a|Gooey}}
| style="text-align:left" | Contact with the Pokémon lowers the attacker's Speed stat.
| VI
| 0
| 0
| 3
|-
| 179
| {{a|Grass Pelt}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Pokémon's Defense stat in Grassy Terrain.
| VI
| 0
| 0
| 2
|-
| 229
| {{a|Grassy Surge}}
| style="text-align:left" | Turns the ground into Grassy Terrain when the Pokémon enters a battle.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 062
| {{a|Guts}}
| style="text-align:left" | It's so gutsy that having a status condition boosts the Pokémon's Attack stat.
| III
| 3
| 14
| 4
|-
| 139
| {{a|Harvest}}
| style="text-align:left" | May create another Berry after one is used.
| V
| 0
| 0
| 6
|-
| 131
| {{a|Healer}}
| style="text-align:left" | Sometimes heals an ally's status condition.
| V
| 2
| 2
| 3
|-
| 085
| {{a|Heatproof}}
| style="text-align:left" | The heatproof body of the Pokémon halves the damage from Fire-type moves that hit it.
| IV
| 0
| 2
| 0
|-
| 134
| {{a|Heavy Metal}}
| style="text-align:left" | Doubles the Pokémon's weight.
| V
| 0
| 0
| 5
|-
| 118
| {{a|Honey Gather}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon may gather Honey after a battle.
| IV
| 1
| 2
| 1
|-
| 037
| {{a|Huge Power}}
| style="text-align:left" | Doubles the Pokémon's Attack stat.
| III
| 1
| 3
| 2
|-
| 055
| {{a|Hustle}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Attack stat, but lowers accuracy.
| III
| 3
| 9
| 8
|-
| 093
| {{a|Hydration}}
| style="text-align:left" | Heals status conditions if it's raining.
| IV
| 2
| 11
| 9
|-
| 052
| {{a|Hyper Cutter}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon's proud of its powerful pincers. They prevent other Pokémon from lowering its Attack stat.
| III
| 0
| 11
| 0
|-
| 115
| {{a|Ice Body}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon gradually regains HP in a hailstorm.
| IV
| 0
| 10
| 4
|-
| 035
| {{a|Illuminate}}
| style="text-align:left" | Raises the likelihood of meeting wild Pokémon by illuminating the surroundings.
| III
| 0
| 8
| 0
|-
| 149
| {{a|Illusion}}
| style="text-align:left" | Comes out disguised as the Pokémon in the party's last spot.
| V
| 2
| 0
| 0
|-
| 017
| {{a|Immunity}}
| style="text-align:left" | The immune system of the Pokémon prevents it from getting poisoned.
| III
| 1
| 1
| 1
|-
| 150
| {{a|Imposter}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon transforms itself into the Pokémon it's facing.
| V
| 0
| 0
| 1
|-
| 151
| {{a|Infiltrator}}
| style="text-align:left" | Passes through the opposing Pokémon's barrier, substitute, and the like and strikes.
| V
| 0
| 7
| 14
|-
| 215
| {{a|Innards Out}}
| style="text-align:left" | Damages the attacker landing the finishing hit by the amount equal to its last HP.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 039
| {{a|Inner Focus}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon's intensely focused, and that protects the Pokémon from flinching.
| III
| 5
| 17
| 11
|-
| 015
| {{a|Insomnia}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon is suffering from insomnia and cannot fall asleep.
| III
| 1
| 10
| 3
|-
| 022
| {{a|Intimidate}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon intimidates opposing Pokémon upon entering battle, lowering their Attack stat.
| III
| 7
| 19
| 6
|-
| 160
| {{a|Iron Barbs}}
| style="text-align:left" | Inflicts damage to the attacker on contact with iron barbs.
| V
| 2
| 1
| 0
|-
| 089
| {{a|Iron Fist}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up punching moves.
| IV
| 0
| 7
| 7
|-
| 154
| {{a|Justified}}
| style="text-align:left" | Being hit by a Dark-type move boosts the Attack stat of the Pokémon, for justice.
| V
| 4
| 0
| 5
|-
| 051
| {{a|Keen Eye}}
| style="text-align:left" | Keen eyes prevent other Pokémon from lowering this Pokémon's accuracy.
| III
| 3
| 30
| 5
|-
| 103
| {{a|Klutz}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon can't use any held items.
| IV
| 0
| 8
| 1
|-
| 102
| {{a|Leaf Guard}}
| style="text-align:left" | Prevents status conditions in sunny weather.
| IV
| 3
| 9
| 7
|-
| 026
| {{a|Levitate}}
| style="text-align:left" | By floating in the air, the Pokémon receives full immunity to all Ground-type moves.
| III
| 31
| 2
| 0
|-
| 135
| {{a|Light Metal}}
| style="text-align:left" | Halves the Pokémon's weight.
| V
| 0
| 0
| 5
|-
| 031
| {{a|Lightning Rod}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon draws in all Electric-type moves. Instead of being hit by Electric-type moves, it boosts its Sp. Atk.
| III
| 1
| 11
| 6
|-
| 007
| {{a|Limber}}
| style="text-align:left" | Its limber body protects the Pokémon from paralysis.
| III
| 1
| 9
| 2
|-
| 064
| {{a|Liquid Ooze}}
| style="text-align:left" | Oozed liquid has strong stench, which damages attackers using any draining move.
| III
| 0
| 4
| 0
|-
| 204
| {{a|Liquid Voice}}
| style="text-align:left" | All sound-based moves become Water-type moves.
| VII
| 0
| 0
| 3
|-
| 203
| {{a|Long Reach}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon uses its moves without making contact with the target.
| VII
| 0
| 0
| 3
|-
| 156
| {{a|Magic Bounce}}
| style="text-align:left" | Reflects status moves, instead of getting hit by them.
| V
| 3
| 0
| 3
|-
| 098
| {{a|Magic Guard}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon only takes damage from attacks.
| IV
| 0
| 7
| 3
|-
| 170
| {{a|Magician}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon steals the held item of a Pokémon it hits with a move.
| VI
| 1
| 0
| 4
|-
| 040
| {{a|Magma Armor}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon is covered with hot magma, which prevents the Pokémon from becoming frozen.
| III
| 0
| 3
| 0
|-
| 042
| {{a|Magnet Pull}}
| style="text-align:left" | Prevents Steel-type Pokémon from escaping using its magnetic force.
| III
| 0
| 8
| 0
|-
| 063
| {{a|Marvel Scale}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon's marvelous scales boost the Defense stat if it has a status condition.
| III
| 0
| 1
| 2
|-
| 178
| {{a|Mega Launcher}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up aura and pulse moves.
| VI
| 3
| 0
| 0
|-
| 196
| {{a|Merciless}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon's attacks become critical hits if the target is poisoned.
| VII
| 0
| 2
| 0
|-
| 058
| {{a|Minus}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Sp. Atk stat of the Pokémon if an ally with the Plus or Minus Ability is also in battle.
| III
| 1
| 3
| 2
|-
| 228
| {{a|Misty Surge}}
| style="text-align:left" | Turns the ground into Misty Terrain when the Pokémon enters a battle.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 104
| {{a|Mold Breaker}}
| style="text-align:left" | Moves can be used on the target regardless of its Abilities.
| IV
| 4
| 6
| 8
|-
| 141
| {{a|Moody}}
| style="text-align:left" | Raises one stat sharply and lowers another every turn.
| V
| 0
| 0
| 7
|-
| 078
| {{a|Motor Drive}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts its Speed stat if hit by an Electric-type move, instead of taking damage.
| IV
| 1
| 2
| 1
|-
| 153
| {{a|Moxie}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon shows moxie, and that boosts the Attack stat after knocking out any Pokémon.
| V
| 0
| 5
| 8
|-
| 136
| {{a|Multiscale}}
| style="text-align:left" | Reduces the amount of damage the Pokémon takes when its HP is full.
| V
| 0
| 0
| 2
|-
| 121
| {{a|Multitype}}
| style="text-align:left" | Changes the Pokémon's type to match the Plate or Z-Crystal it holds.
| IV
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 152
| {{a|Mummy}}
| style="text-align:left" | Contact with the Pokémon changes the attacker's Ability to Mummy.
| V
| 2
| 0
| 0
|-
| 030
| {{a|Natural Cure}}
| style="text-align:left" | All status conditions heal when the Pokémon switches out.
| III
| 4
| 11
| 1
|-
| 099
| {{a|No Guard}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon employs no-guard tactics to ensure incoming and outgoing attacks always land.
| IV
| 3
| 3
| 4
|-
| 096
| {{a|Normalize}}
| style="text-align:left" | All the Pokémon's moves become Normal type. The power of those moves is boosted a little.
| IV
| 0
| 2
| 0
|-
| 012
| {{a|Oblivious}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon is oblivious, and that keeps it from being infatuated or falling for taunts.
| III
| 0
| 19
| 5
|-
| 142
| {{a|Overcoat}}
| style="text-align:left" | Protects the Pokémon from things like sand, hail, and powder.
| V
| 0
| 5
| 15
|-
| 065
| {{a|Overgrow}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up Grass-type moves when the Pokémon's HP is low.
| III
| 21
| 0
| 2
|-
| 020
| {{a|Own Tempo}}
| style="text-align:left" | This Pokémon has its own tempo, and that prevents it from becoming confused.
| III
| 0
| 17
| 5
|-
| 185
| {{a|Parental Bond}}
| style="text-align:left" | Parent and child each attacks.
| VI
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 124
| {{a|Pickpocket}}
| style="text-align:left" | Steals an item from an attacker that made direct contact.
| V
| 0
| 0
| 7
|-
| 053
| {{a|Pickup}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon may pick up the item an opposing Pokémon used during a battle. It may pick up items outside of battle, too.
| III
| 1
| 15
| 2
|-
| 182
| {{a|Pixilate}}
| style="text-align:left" | Normal-type moves become Fairy-type moves. The power of those moves is boosted a little.
| VI
| 2
| 0
| 1
|-
| 057
| {{a|Plus}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Sp. Atk stat of the Pokémon if an ally with the Plus or Minus Ability is also in battle.
| III
| 1
| 3
| 4
|-
| 090
| {{a|Poison Heal}}
| style="text-align:left" | Restores HP if the Pokémon is poisoned, instead of losing HP.
| IV
| 0
| 2
| 1
|-
| 038
| {{a|Poison Point}}
| style="text-align:left" | Contact with the Pokémon may poison the attacker.
| III
| 0
| 16
| 0
|-
| 143
| {{a|Poison Touch}}
| style="text-align:left" | May poison a target when the Pokémon makes contact.
| V
| 0
| 5
| 4
|-
| 211
| {{a|Power Construct}}
| style="text-align:left" | Other Cells gather to aid when its HP becomes half or less. Then the Pokémon changes its form to Complete Forme.
| VII
| 0
| 1
| 0
|-
| 223
| {{a|Power of Alchemy}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon copies the Ability of a defeated ally.
| VII
| 0
| 0
| 2
|-
| 158
| {{a|Prankster}}
| style="text-align:left" | Gives priority to a status move.
| V
| 4
| 2
| 8
|-
| 046
| {{a|Pressure}}
| style="text-align:left" | By putting pressure on the opposing Pokémon, it raises their PP usage.
| III
| 19
| 2
| 4
|-
| 189
| {{a|Primordial Sea}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon changes the weather to nullify Fire-type attacks.
| VI
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 232
| {{a|Prism Armor}}
| style="text-align:left" | Reduces the power of supereffective attacks taken.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 168
| {{a|Protean}}
| style="text-align:left" | Changes the Pokémon's type to the type of the move it's about to use.
| VI
| 0
| 0
| 4
|-
| 227
| {{a|Psychic Surge}}
| style="text-align:left" | Turns the ground into Psychic Terrain when the Pokémon enters a battle.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 074
| {{a|Pure Power}}
| style="text-align:left" | Using its pure power, the Pokémon doubles its Attack stat.
| III
| 2
| 0
| 0
|-
| 214
| {{a|Queenly Majesty}}
| style="text-align:left" | Its majesty pressures the opposing Pokémon, making it unable to attack using priority moves.
| VII
| 0
| 1
| 0
|-
| 095
| {{a|Quick Feet}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Speed stat if the Pokémon has a status condition.
| IV
| 0
| 5
| 4
|-
| 044
| {{a|Rain Dish}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon gradually regains HP in rain.
| III
| 0
| 3
| 10
|-
| 155
| {{a|Rattled}}
| style="text-align:left" | Dark-, Ghost-, and Bug-type moves scare the Pokémon and boost its Speed stat.
| V
| 0
| 0
| 13
|-
| 222
| {{a|Receiver}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon copies the Ability of a defeated ally.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 120
| {{a|Reckless}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up moves that have recoil damage.
| IV
| 0
| 3
| 9
|-
| 174
| {{a|Refrigerate}}
| style="text-align:left" | Normal-type moves become Ice-type moves. The power of those moves is boosted a little.
| VI
| 3
| 0
| 0
|-
| 144
| {{a|Regenerator}}
| style="text-align:left" | Restores a little HP when withdrawn from battle.
| V
| 1
| 3
| 15
|-
| 079
| {{a|Rivalry}}
| style="text-align:left" | Becomes competitive and deals more damage to Pokémon of the same gender, but deals less to Pokémon of the opposite gender.
| IV
| 0
| 14
| 4
|-
| 225
| {{a|RKS System}}
| style="text-align:left" | Changes the Pokémon's type to match the memory disc it holds.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 069
| {{a|Rock Head}}
| style="text-align:left" | Protects the Pokémon from recoil damage.
| III
| 2
| 17
| 2
|-
| 024
| {{a|Rough Skin}}
| style="text-align:left" | This Pokémon inflicts damage with its rough skin to the attacker on contact.
| III
| 2
| 1
| 3
|-
| 050
| {{a|Run Away}}
| style="text-align:left" | Enables a sure getaway from wild Pokémon.
| III
| 0
| 16
| 8
|-
| 159
| {{a|Sand Force}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the power of Rock-, Ground-, and Steel-type moves in a sandstorm.
| V
| 3
| 2
| 13
|-
| 146
| {{a|Sand Rush}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Pokémon's Speed stat in a sandstorm.
| V
| 0
| 5
| 2
|-
| 045
| {{a|Sand Stream}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon summons a sandstorm when it enters a battle.
| III
| 4
| 1
| 0
|-
| 008
| {{a|Sand Veil}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Pokémon's evasion in a sandstorm.
| III
| 7
| 8
| 9
|-
| 157
| {{a|Sap Sipper}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Attack stat if hit by a Grass-type move, instead of taking damage.
| V
| 2
| 7
| 8
|-
| 208
| {{a|Schooling}}
| style="text-align:left" | When it has a lot of HP, the Pokémon forms a powerful school. It stops schooling when its HP is low.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 113
| {{a|Scrappy}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon can hit Ghost-type Pokémon with Normal- and Fighting-type moves.
| IV
| 1
| 2
| 8
|-
| 032
| {{a|Serene Grace}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the likelihood of additional effects occurring when attacking.
| III
| 3
| 7
| 2
|-
| 231
| {{a|Shadow Shield}}
| style="text-align:left" | Reduces the amount of damage the Pokémon takes while its HP is full.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 023
| {{a|Shadow Tag}}
| style="text-align:left" | This Pokémon steps on the opposing Pokémon's shadow to prevent it from escaping.
| III
| 3
| 0
| 3
|-
| 061
| {{a|Shed Skin}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon may heal its own status conditions by shedding its skin.
| III
| 11
| 5
| 0
|-
| 125
| {{a|Sheer Force}}
| style="text-align:left" | Removes additional effects to increase the power of moves when attacking.
| V
| 2
| 6
| 18
|-
| 075
| {{a|Shell Armor}}
| style="text-align:left" | A hard shell protects the Pokémon from critical hits.
| III
| 3
| 13
| 7
|-
| 019
| {{a|Shield Dust}}
| style="text-align:left" | This Pokémon's dust blocks the additional effects of attacks taken.
| III
| 4
| 5
| 0
|-
| 197
| {{a|Shields Down}}
| style="text-align:left" | When its HP becomes half or less, the Pokémon's shell breaks and it becomes aggressive.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 086
| {{a|Simple}}
| style="text-align:left" | The stat changes the Pokémon receives are doubled.
| IV
| 0
| 3
| 2
|-
| 092
| {{a|Skill Link}}
| style="text-align:left" | Maximizes the number of times multi-strike moves hit.
| IV
| 1
| 5
| 4
|-
| 112
| {{a|Slow Start}}
| style="text-align:left" | For five turns, the Pokémon's Attack and Speed stats are halved.
| IV
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 202
| {{a|Slush Rush}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Pokémon's Speed stat in a hailstorm.
| VII
| 0
| 2
| 2
|-
| 097
| {{a|Sniper}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up moves if they become critical hits when attacking.
| IV
| 0
| 9
| 5
|-
| 081
| {{a|Snow Cloak}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts evasion in a hailstorm.
| IV
| 6
| 7
| 1
|-
| 117
| {{a|Snow Warning}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon summons a hailstorm when it enters a battle.
| IV
| 2
| 1
| 4
|-
| 094
| {{a|Solar Power}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Sp. Atk stat in sunny weather, but HP decreases every turn.
| IV
| 1
| 3
| 5
|-
| 116
| {{a|Solid Rock}}
| style="text-align:left" | Reduces the power of supereffective attacks taken.
| IV
| 0
| 4
| 0
|-
| 220
| {{a|Soul-Heart}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts its Sp. Atk stat every time a Pokémon faints.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 043
| {{a|Soundproof}}
| style="text-align:left" | Soundproofing of the Pokémon itself gives full immunity to all sound-based moves.
| III
| 3
| 7
| 5
|-
| 003
| {{a|Speed Boost}}
| style="text-align:left" | Its Speed stat is boosted every turn.
| III
| 2
| 2
| 8
|-
| 198
| {{a|Stakeout}}
| style="text-align:left" | Doubles the damage dealt to the target's replacement if the target switches out.
| VII
| 0
| 2
| 0
|-
| 100
| {{a|Stall}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon moves after all other Pokémon do.
| IV
| 0
| 1
| 0
|-
| 192
| {{a|Stamina}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Defense stat when hit by an attack.
| VII
| 0
| 2
| 0
|-
| 176
| {{a|Stance Change}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon changes its form to Blade Forme when it uses an attack move, and changes to Shield Forme when it uses King's Shield.
| VI
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 009
| {{a|Static}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon is charged with static electricity, so contact with it may cause paralysis.
| III
| 9
| 5
| 1
|-
| 080
| {{a|Steadfast}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon's determination boosts the Speed stat each time the Pokémon flinches.
| IV
| 2
| 3
| 7
|-
| 200
| {{a|Steelworker}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up Steel-type moves.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 001
| {{a|Stench}}
| style="text-align:left" | By releasing stench when attacking, this Pokémon may cause the target to flinch.
| III
| 0
| 6
| 1
|-
| 060
| {{a|Sticky Hold}}
| style="text-align:left" | Items held by the Pokémon are stuck fast and cannot be removed by other Pokémon.
| III
| 0
| 8
| 0
|-
| 114
| {{a|Storm Drain}}
| style="text-align:left" | Draws in all Water-type moves. Instead of being hit by Water-type moves, it boosts its Sp. Atk.
| IV
| 0
| 4
| 3
|-
| 173
| {{a|Strong Jaw}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon's strong jaw boosts the power of its biting moves.
| VI
| 3
| 3
| 0
|-
| 005
| {{a|Sturdy}}
| style="text-align:left" | It cannot be knocked out with one hit. One-hit KO moves cannot knock it out, either.
| III
| 6
| 28
| 7
|-
| 021
| {{a|Suction Cups}}
| style="text-align:left" | This Pokémon uses suction cups to stay in one spot to negate all moves and items that force switching out.
| III
| 2
| 3
| 0
|-
| 105
| {{a|Super Luck}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon is so lucky that the critical-hit ratios of its moves are boosted.
| IV
| 0
| 6
| 3
|-
| 207
| {{a|Surge Surfer}}
| style="text-align:left" | Doubles the Pokémon's Speed stat on Electric Terrain.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 068
| {{a|Swarm}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up Bug-type moves when the Pokémon's HP is low.
| III
| 5
| 16
| 4
|-
| 175
| {{a|Sweet Veil}}
| style="text-align:left" | Prevents itself and ally Pokémon from falling asleep.
| VI
| 2
| 0
| 5
|-
| 033
| {{a|Swift Swim}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Pokémon's Speed stat in rain.
| III
| 8
| 21
| 10
|-
| 180
| {{a|Symbiosis}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon passes its item to an ally that has used up an item.
| VI
| 0
| 0
| 4
|-
| 028
| {{a|Synchronize}}
| style="text-align:left" | The attacker will receive the same status condition if it inflicts a burn, poison, or paralysis to the Pokémon.
| III
| 3
| 12
| 0
|-
| 077
| {{a|Tangled Feet}}
| style="text-align:left" | Raises evasion if the Pokémon is confused.
| IV
| 0
| 5
| 2
|-
| 221
| {{a|Tangling Hair}}
| style="text-align:left" | Contact with the Pokémon lowers the attacker's Speed stat.
| VII
| 0
| 2
| 0
|-
| 101
| {{a|Technician}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up the Pokémon's weaker moves.
| IV
| 2
| 11
| 5
|-
| 140
| {{a|Telepathy}}
| style="text-align:left" | Anticipates an ally's attack and dodges it.
| V
| 0
| 3
| 18
|-
| 164
| {{a|Teravolt}}
| style="text-align:left" | Moves can be used on the target regardless of its Abilities.
| V
| 2
| 0
| 0
|-
| 047
| {{a|Thick Fat}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon is protected by a layer of thick fat, which halves the damage taken from Fire- and Ice-type moves.
| III
| 1
| 16
| 7
|-
| 110
| {{a|Tinted Lens}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon can use "not very effective" moves to deal regular damage.
| IV
| 0
| 4
| 5
|-
| 067
| {{a|Torrent}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up Water-type moves when the Pokémon's HP is low.
| III
| 21
| 0
| 2
|-
| 181
| {{a|Tough Claws}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up moves that make direct contact.
| VI
| 3
| 2
| 0
|-
| 137
| {{a|Toxic Boost}}
| style="text-align:left" | Powers up physical attacks when the Pokémon is poisoned.
| V
| 0
| 0
| 1
|-
| 036
| {{a|Trace}}
| style="text-align:left" | When it enters a battle, the Pokémon copies an opposing Pokémon's Ability.
| III
| 1
| 5
| 0
|-
| 205
| {{a|Triage}}
| style="text-align:left" | Gives priority to a healing move.
| VII
| 0
| 1
| 0
|-
| 054
| {{a|Truant}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon can't use a move the following turn if it uses one.
| III
| 2
| 0
| 1
|-
| 163
| {{a|Turboblaze}}
| style="text-align:left" | Moves can be used on the target regardless of its Abilities.
| V
| 2
| 0
| 0
|-
| 109
| {{a|Unaware}}
| style="text-align:left" | When attacking, the Pokémon ignores the target Pokémon's stat changes.
| IV
| 1
| 4
| 4
|-
| 084
| {{a|Unburden}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Speed stat if the Pokémon's held item is used or lost.
| IV
| 0
| 5
| 7
|-
| 127
| {{a|Unnerve}}
| style="text-align:left" | Unnerves opposing Pokémon and makes them unable to eat Berries.
| V
| 0
| 4
| 16
|-
| 162
| {{a|Victory Star}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the accuracy of its allies and itself.
| V
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 072
| {{a|Vital Spirit}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon is full of vitality, and that prevents it from falling asleep.
| III
| 1
| 6
| 7
|-
| 010
| {{a|Volt Absorb}}
| style="text-align:left" | Restores HP if hit by an Electric-type move, instead of taking damage.
| III
| 2
| 2
| 2
|-
| 011
| {{a|Water Absorb}}
| style="text-align:left" | Restores HP if hit by a Water-type move, instead of taking damage.
| III
| 2
| 12
| 9
|-
| 199
| {{a|Water Bubble}}
| style="text-align:left" | Lowers the power of Fire-type moves done to the Pokémon and prevents the Pokémon from getting a burn.
| VII
| 2
| 0
| 0
|-
| 195
| {{a|Water Compaction}}
| style="text-align:left" | Boosts the Pokémon's Defense stat sharply when hit by a Water-type move.
| VII
| 2
| 0
| 0
|-
| 041
| {{a|Water Veil}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon is covered with a water veil, which prevents the Pokémon from getting a burn.
| III
| 0
| 4
| 7
|-
| 133
| {{a|Weak Armor}}
| style="text-align:left" | Physical attacks to the Pokémon lower its Defense stat but sharply raise its Speed stat.
| V
| 0
| 3
| 15
|-
| 073
| {{a|White Smoke}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon is protected by its white smoke, which prevents other Pokémon from lowering its stats.
| III
| 0
| 1
| 1
|-
| 193
| {{a|Wimp Out}}
| style="text-align:left" | The Pokémon cowardly switches out when its HP becomes half or less.
| VII
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 025
| {{a|Wonder Guard}}
| style="text-align:left" | Its mysterious power only lets supereffective moves hit the Pokémon.
| III
| 1
| 0
| 0
|-
| 147
| {{a|Wonder Skin}}
| style="text-align:left" | Makes status moves more likely to miss.
| V
| 0
| 1
| 4
|-
| 161
| {{a|Zen Mode}}
| style="text-align:left" | Changes the Pokémon's shape when HP is half or less.
| V
| 0
| 0
| 1
|}
|}

==In other games==
===Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series===
{{main|Mystery Dungeon game mechanics#Abilities}}

Abilities available in the core series games are also available in the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series. Some Abilities differ from their counterparts in the core series (e.g. {{a|Intimidate}} reduces the opposing Pokémon's Attack by 20%).

===Pokémon Conquest===
{{main|List of Abilities in Pokémon Conquest}}

While most Pokémon species in [[Pokémon Conquest]] have access to three Abilities (similar to the main series, Hidden Abilities included), many of these Abilities are different from the main series due to differences in the battle system. For example, Abilities like {{a|Cute Charm}} and {{a|Rivalry}} do not exist in Pokémon Conquest (due to the game's lack of a [[gender]] mechanic), while other Abilities utilize mechanics unique to Pokémon Conquest battles (like "Sprint", which increases the user's movement {{stat|Range}}).

Like the main series, an individual Pokémon's Ability is dictated by its current species (i.e. evolutionary form) and may change during [[evolution]].

==In the anime==
[[File:Clemont Chespin Overgrow.png|thumb|250px|[[Clemont's Chespin]] activating {{a|Overgrow}}]]
Abilities have been shown in the anime, but are usually only used in battles; however, sometimes they have an effect on the plot, such as [[Ash's Infernape]]'s {{a|Blaze}}. Abilities sometimes work differently in the anime than they would in the games, such as {{a|Mold Breaker}}, which in the anime cancels out more Abilities than it would in the games.

===In the {{series|Original}}===
The only Ability that was seen in the original series was {{a|Color Change}}, being used by [[Madison and Alexa]]'s {{p|Kecleon}} in ''[[EP205|The Kecleon Caper]]''. It was later used by {{jo|Harrison}}'s Kecleon in ''[[EP271|Playing With Fire!]]''.

===In the {{series|Advanced Generation}}===
The first Ability to be seen other than {{a|Color Change}} was {{a|Rough Skin}}, first seen in ''[[AG019|Sharpedo Attack!]]''. It was used by a {{pkmn2|wild}} {{p|Sharpedo}}.

In ''[[AG033|Now That's Flower Power!]]'' a {{p|Kecleon}} used {{a|Color Change}}.

In ''[[AG039|A Poké-BLOCK Party!]]'', a {{p|Whismur}} used its {{a|Soundproof}} Ability to stay awake and listen to {{an|Jigglypuff}}'s song.

[[Colonel Hansen]]'s {{p|Shedinja}} used {{a|Wonder Guard}} in ''[[AG044|The Princess and the Togepi]]''.

Two Abilities were seen in ''[[AG070|Balance of Power]]'', being used by [[Ash's Pikachu]] and {{AP|Grovyle}}, using {{a|Static}} and {{a|Overgrow}} respectively.

[[Bart]]'s {{p|Castform}} used {{a|Forecast}} in ''[[AG083|Unfair Weather Friends]]'', turning into its [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Castform|Sunny and Rainy Form]].

In ''[[AG088|The Garden of Eatin']]'', [[Marcel]]'s {{p|Vigoroth}} used {{a|Vital Spirit}}.

Both {{a|Drizzle}} and {{a|Drought}} were seen in ''[[AG097|Gaining Groudon]]'' and ''[[AG098|The Scuffle of Legends]]'' respectively.

In ''[[AG099|It's Still Rocket Roll to Me!]]'', [[Liza's Lunatone]] used {{a|Levitate}}.

In ''[[AG111|Eight Ain't Enough]]'', [[Juan]]'s {{p|Luvdisc}} used {{a|Swift Swim}}.

In ''[[AG112|Showdown At Linoone]]'', a {{p|Linoone}} has the Ability {{a|Pickup}} and takes items to its private stash, including {{an|May}}'s Poké Balls.

In ''[[AG131|At the End of the Fray]]'', {{ho|Tyson}}'s {{p|Hariyama}} used {{a|Thick Fat}}.

In ''[[AG138|Rough, Tough Jigglypuff]]'', [[Lisa Mitchum]]'s {{p|Jigglypuff}} used {{a|Cute Charm}} Her [[Mitch Mitchum|father]]'s {{p|Loudred}} used Soundproof to stop Jigglypuff's {{m|Sing}} from working.

[[Angela]]'s Kecleon used Color Change in ''[[AG156|From Cradle to Save]]'', as well as [[Brock's Bonsly]] using {{a|Rock Head}}.

In ''[[AG188|Pinch Healing!]]'', a wild {{p|Wooper}} used {{a|Water Absorb}}.

In ''[[AG191|Once More With Reeling!]]'', [[May's Blaziken]] used its {{a|Blaze}} Ability while [[Ash's Sceptile]] used {{a|Overgrow}} during their [[Contest Battle]] in the {{to|Terracotta}} {{pkmn|Contest}}.

===In the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}===
Abilities proved important in the battles [[Paul]] and {{Ash}} had with [[Roark]]. During Paul's battle in ''[[DP015|Shapes of Things to Come!]]'', his {{TP|Paul|Elekid}} uses {{a|Static}} to paralyze Roark's {{p|Onix}} and {{p|Cranidos}} although the latter shakes it off with {{a|Mold Breaker}}. Paul also deliberately allows his {{TP|Paul|Chimchar}} to take extra damage so that it can activate {{a|Blaze}}. After {{Ash}}'s first match with Roark ends in defeat, {{an|Brock}} briefly lends him {{TP|Brock|Sudowoodo}} in ''[[DP017|Wild in the Streets!]]'' because its Ability {{a|Rock Head}} makes it similar to Roark's Pokémon Onix, who also had the Ability. During Ash's rematch in ''[[DP018|O'er the Rampardos We Watched!]]'', {{AP|Pikachu}} also activates {{a|Static}} against Roark's newly evolved {{TP|Roark|Rampardos}} and it is similarly ineffective.

In ''[[DP036|A Secret Sphere of Influence!]]'', [[Officer Jenny]]'s {{p|Stunky}} used {{a|Stench}}.

[[Gardenia]]'s {{p|Cherubi}} caught {{Ash}} by surprise during their first battle in ''[[DP037|The Grass Menagerie!]]'' when it was able to move very quickly with {{a|Chlorophyll}}.

In ''[[DP050|Tag! We're It...!]]'', Ash and Paul found themselves at a disadvantage during their first [[Multi Battle|Tag Battle]] in the [[Hearthome City Tag Battle Competition]] because the {{p|Rhydon}} used by one of their opponents possessed {{a|Lightning Rod}}, rendering Pikachu's {{type|Electric}} [[move|attacks]] useless.

In ''[[DP051|Glory Blaze!]]'' Ash, {{an|Dawn}} and {{an|Brock}} found Paul and {{cat|Paul's Pokémon|his other Pokémon}} evidently abusing his {{TP|Paul|Chimchar}}, repeatedly attacking it until it eventually collapsed from exhaustion. When confronted, Paul explained that Chimchar actually wanted the brutal training regimen; when they first met, Chimchar was being attacked by wild {{p|Zangoose}} and when pushed to the limit it activated {{a|Blaze}} and defeated all of the Zangoose with {{m|Flame Wheel}}. This incredible power was what drove Paul to capture Chimchar in the first place and the two have been trying to replicate the experience ever since with no success.

{{a|Swift Swim}} was an important part of [[Ash's Buizel]] going toe to toe with [[Maylene's Lucario]] in ''[[DP068|A Triple Fighting Chance!]]''

{{a|Blaze}} returned in ''[[DP081|Chim - Charred!]]'' when Ash's Chimchar became enraged during a battle with [[Paul's Ursaring]]. It took considerable effort for Ash to return Chimchar to normal after it defeated Ursaring, causing Paul to leave the battle a draw. Paul told Ash that they would only battle again when and if Ash and Chimchar learned to control Blaze.

In ''[[DP095|Battling the Generation Gap!]]'', [[Lila]]'s {{p|Delcatty}} activated his {{a|Cute Charm}} Ability while battling [[Dawn's Ambipom]] in the final round of the {{to|Celestic}} {{pkmn|Contest}}.

[[Brock's Croagunk]] first used his {{a|Anticipation}} Ability in ''[[DP096|Losing Its Lustrous!]]''. He often used it to find Team Rocket and chase them off on his own.

Two {{p|Darkrai}} have used {{a|Bad Dreams}}. One used it in ''[[M10|The Rise of Darkrai]]'' and another in ''[[DP104|Sleepless in Pre-Battle!]]''.

In ''[[DP102|A Shield with a Twist!]]'', [[Fantina]]'s {{p|Gengar}} used {{a|Levitate}}.

In ''[[DP108|Dealing with Defensive Types!]]'', [[Byron]]'s {{p|Bronzor}} used its {{a|Heatproof}} Ability to minimize damage from [[Ash's Chimchar]]'s {{m|Flamethrower}}.

In ''[[DP114|Another One Gabites the Dust!]]'', [[Jessie's Yanmega]] activated its {{a|Speed Boost}} Ability while performing in the {{to|Chocovine}} {{pkmn|Contest}}.

In ''[[DP118|Pursuing a Lofty Goal!]]'', [[Paul's Honchkrow]] used its Ability {{a|Super Luck}}.

In ''[[DP127|Sliding Into Seventh!]]'', [[Jeremiah]]'s {{p|Skuntank}} was known to have Stench as it Ability but the Ability activated off-screen.

In ''[[DP132|Evolving Strategies!]]'', [[Paul's Magmortar]] used its {{a|Flame Body}} Ability to burn [[Ash's Pikachu]]. [[Paul's Ursaring]] also used its {{a|Guts}} Ability when [[Ash's Pikachu]]'s {{a|Static}} activated.

An {{p|Arceus}} used {{a|Multitype}} in ''[[M12|Arceus and the Jewel of Life]]''.

In ''[[DP141|Challenging a Towering Figure!]]'', [[Palmer]]'s {{p|Rhyperior}} used {{a|Solid Rock}}.

A wild {{p|Trapinch}} used its {{a|Arena Trap}} Ability in ''[[DP145|A Rivalry to Gible On!]]''.

A wild {{p|Heatran}} used {{a|Flash Fire}} in ''[[DP169|Pokémon Ranger: Heatran Rescue!]]''.

[[Volkner]]'s {{p|Electivire}} used its {{a|Motor Drive}} Ability in ''[[DP179|The Eighth Wonder of the Sinnoh World!]]'' against {{Ash}} in their [[Gym]] battle. It was later used by [[Paul's Electivire]] in ''[[DP188|Battling a Thaw in Relations!]]''.

In ''[[DP184|Casting a Paul on Barry!]]'', [[Barry's Empoleon]] activated its {{a|Torrent}} Ability while battling Paul's Electivire in the third round of the [[Lily of the Valley Conference]].

[[Paul]]'s {{p|Aggron}} used its {{a|Rock Head}} Ability in ''[[DP186|Familiarity Breeds Strategy!]]'' to avoid damage from its {{m|Double-Edge}} attack. In [[DP187|the next episode]] Paul's {{p|Froslass}} and {{p|Ninjask}} used {{a|Snow Cloak}} and Speed Boost respectively.

{{a|Illusion}} was seen twice in ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]'', being seen by a [[Zoroark (M13)|Zoroark]] and [[Zorua (M13)|Zorua]].

===In the {{series|Best Wishes}}===
A Hidden Ability was first seen in ''[[BW008|Saving Darmanitan From the Bell!]]'' by a {{p|Darmanitan}} using {{a|Zen Mode}}.

In ''[[BW010|A Rival Battle for Club Champ!]]'', [[Trip]]'s {{p|Tranquill}} used {{a|Super Luck}} to easily defeat [[Ash's Oshawott]] and {{AP|Tepig}}. Trip's {{p|Frillish}} later used {{a|Cursed Body}}.

In ''[[BW012|Here Comes the Trubbish Squad!]]'', a wild {{p|Trubbish}} used its Ability {{a|Stench}}.

In ''[[BW014|A Night in the Nacrene City Museum!]]'', [[Lenora]]'s {{p|Watchog}} used its {{a|Illuminate}} Ability to reveal any hidden things in the museum to appear.

{{AP|Sewaddle}} was revealed to have {{a|Swarm}} in ''[[BW019|A Connoisseur's Revenge!]]'' but he wasn't shown activating it. {{an|Cilan}}'s {{TP|Cilan|Dwebble}} was shown using its {{a|Sturdy}} Ability in the same episode.

A wild {{p|Venipede}} used its {{a|Poison Point}} Ability to poison Ash in ''[[BW022|A Venipede Stampede!]]''.

In ''[[BW034|Gotta Catch A Roggenrola!]]'', {{an|Iris}} pointed out that {{AP|Roggenrola}} had the Ability Sturdy, implying that Roggenrola would receive less damage than a Pokémon normally would.

[[Luke's Zorua]] often used {{a|Illusion}} to help [[Luke]] in making his movies. It was first seen in ''[[BW038|Movie Time! Zorua in "The Legend of the Pokémon Knight"!]]''.

In ''[[BW041|The Club Battle Hearts of Fury: Emolga Versus Sawk!]]'', [[Iris's Emolga]] used {{a|Static}} to help it win a battle against [[Stephan's Sawk]].

In ''[[BW049|Enter Elesa, Electrifying Gym Leader!]]'', [[Bianca's father]]'s [[Darmanitan|Red Flash Darmanitan]] used Zen Mode.

Three Darmanitan used Zen Mode in ''[[BW053|A Maractus Musical!]]''.

In ''[[BW055|Scraggy and the Demanding Gothita!]]'', a wild {{p|Garbodor}} used Stench.

In ''[[BW058|A Call for Brotherly Love!]]'', [[Chili's Pansear]] used its {{a|Gluttony}} Ability.

In ''[[BW061|Battling the King of the Mines!]]'', [[Ash's Boldore]] used its Sturdy Ability to stop a {{m|Horn Drill}} from working.

In ''[[BW070|The Clubsplosion Begins!]]'', [[Edmund]]'s {{p|Seismitoad}} used {{a|Swift Swim}} against Stephan's Sawk, but ended up losing.

In ''[[BW093|Goodbye, Junior Cup - Hello Adventure!]]'', [[Alder]]'s {{p|Bouffalant}} used {{a|Sap Sipper}} to defeat [[Trip's Serperior]].

In ''[[BW094|The Road to Humilau!]]'', [[Marlon]]'s {{p|Jellicent}} used Cursed Body.

Swarm wasn't seen until ''[[BW106|Strong Strategy Steals the Show!]]'' during Leavanny's battle with [[Stephan's Sawk]].

In ''[[BW127|The Island of Illusions!]]'', a {{p|Zoroark}} used {{a|Illusion}}.

In [[BW134|The Journalist from Another Region!]] an unknown trainer's {{p|Slaking}} was shown to have {{a|Truant}} as its Ability.

In ''[[BW140|Survival of the Striaton Gym!]]'', [[Morana]]'s {{p|Abomasnow}} used its {{a|Snow Warning}} Ability. [[Cilan's Pansage]] was confirmed to have Gluttony as his Ability in the same episode.

===In the {{series|XY}}===
[[Clemont's Chespin]] used its Ability {{a|Overgrow}} in ''[[XY015|An Appetite for Battle!]]'' battling against a {{p|Delphox}}.

In ''[[SS029|Mega Evolution Special I]]'', [[Siebold]]'s {{me|Blastoise}} was shown to have {{a|Mega Launcher}}.

Both {{a|Dark Aura}} and {{a|Fairy Aura}} were seen in ''[[M17|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction]]''.

[[Ramos]]'s {{p|Jumpluff}} and {{p|Weepinbell}} were both shown to have {{a|Chlorophyll}} as their Ability in ''[[XY058|The Green, Green Grass Types of Home!]]''.

[[Ash's Goodra]] used its Ability {{a|Hydration}} in Ash's [[Gym]] battle against {{an|Clemont}} in ''[[XY067|The Moment of Lumiose Truth!]]''.

[[Ash's Fletchinder]] used its {{a|Flame Body}} Ability in ''[[XY076|A Not-So-Flying Start!]]'' to help hatch an [[Ash's Noibat|Egg]] that his {{AP|Hawlucha}} found.

[[Olympia]]'s two {{p|Meowstic}} were seen using their respective Abilities in ''[[XY093|All Eyes on the Future!]]'', with the male Meowstic having its Hidden Ability {{a|Prankster}} and the female one having {{a|Keen Eye}}.

Two Abilities were seen in ''[[SS035|Mega Evolution Special IV]]'', both in battle against [[Alain's Charizard]]. A {{me|Venusaur}} used {{a|Thick Fat}} to half the damage it took from a {{m|Flamethrower}}. [[Malva]]'s {{p|Houndoom}} later used {{a|Flash Fire}} to absorb another Flamethrower.

[[Sawyer]]'s {{p|Clawitzer}} was shown to have {{a|Mega Launcher}} as its Ability during its battle against Ash in ''[[XY119|A Full-Strength Battle Surprise!]]''.

[[Wulfric]]'s {{p|Abomasnow}} was shown to have {{a|Snow Warning}} as its Ability during its Gym battle against Ash in ''[[XY120|All Hail the Ice Battlefield!]]''. His {{p|Avalugg}} was later shown to have {{a|Ice Body}} in the same episode.

In the [[Lumiose Conference]], many Pokémon were seen activating their Abilities during battles. In ''[[XY125|A League of His Own!]]'', {{an|Trevor}}'s Mega {{TP|Trevor|Charizard}} Y was shown to have {{a|Drought}} as its Ability. In the [[XY126|following episode]], the effects of three different Abilities were shown during the battle between {{an|Tierno}} and [[Sawyer]]; Tierno's {{p|Ludicolo}} was shown activating {{a|Swift Swim}} while Sawyer's Mega {{TP|Sawyer|Sceptile}} and {{p|Aegislash}} were revealed to have {{a|Lightning Rod}} and {{a|Stance Change}} as their Abilities, respectively. In ''[[XY127|Analysis Versus Passion!]]'', Sawyer's {{p|Slaking}} was shown to have {{a|Truant}} as its Ability. In ''[[XY130|Finals Not for the Faint-Hearted!]]'', [[Alain]]'s {{p|Tyranitar}} was shown activating {{a|Sand Stream}}.

===In the {{series|Sun & Moon}}===
[[Sophocles's Togedemaru]] used her Ability {{a|Lightning Rod}} in ''[[SM002|The Guardian's Challenge!]]'', absorbing [[Ash's Pikachu]]'s {{m|Thunderbolt}} to increase her {{m|Zing Zap}}.

==In the TCG==
Abilities under the name of Abilities did not appear in the {{pkmn|Trading Card Game}} until the {{TCG|Black & White}} expansion kicking off [[Generation V]]. However, this was merely a renaming of the longstanding [[Pokémon Power]]s. Pokémon Powers were very similar to Abilities, but were introduced much earlier, appearing in the very first {{TCG|Base Set}} during [[Generation I]]. In fact, some Abilities from the games originally appeared as Pokémon Powers.

With the introduction of the {{TCG|Expedition Base Set}}, Pokémon Powers were split into two groups: Poké-Powers and Poké-Bodies. Poké-Powers are special effects that the player must trigger or announce using. A Poké-Body's effect is a passive Ability that is always in effect. When Pokémon Powers became Abilities, these distinctions were done away with.

==In the manga==
===In the Be the Best! Pokémon B+W manga===
[[File:Pokémon Ranger Zebstrika Lightningrod PBW.png|thumb|200px|{{tc|Pokémon Ranger}}'s {{p|Zebstrika}} activating {{a|Lightningrod}} in Be the Best! Pokémon B+W]]
[[Monta]]'s {{p|Roggenrola}} activated {{a|Sturdy}} in ''[[PBW2|The Key to Triple Battles]]''.

A {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}}'s {{p|Zebstrika}} and Monta's {{p|Excadrill}} activated {{a|Lightningrod}} and {{a|Sand Force}} in ''[[PBW3|The Battle for More Friends!]]''.

{{tc|Rich Boy|Dol}}'s {{p|Bouffalant}} activated {{a|Sap Sipper}} in ''[[PBW4|Challenge the Battle Subway!]]''.

Monta's {{p|Watchog}} activated {{a|Illuminate}} in ''[[PBW5|Let's Master Pokémon Capturing!]]''.

Monta's {{p|Victini}} was unable to activate {{a|Victory Star}} in ''[[PBW8|The Birth of the Best Pokémon Trainer!]]'' since the {{TP|Monta|Serperior}} Cheren borrowed used {{m|Gastro Acid}}.

===In the movie adaptations===
{{mov|Darkrai|Darkrai|10}} activated {{a|Bad Dreams}} in ''{{ma|The Rise of Darkrai}}''.

{{mov|Xerneas|Xerneas|17}} activated {{a|Fairy Aura}} in ''{{ma|Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction}}''.

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
===={{chap|Ruby & Sapphire}}====
[[File:Brawly Makuhita Thick Fat Adventures.png|thumb|200px|[[Brawly's Makuhita]] activating {{a|Thick Fat}} in Pokémon Adventures]]
Parallel to their introduction in [[Generation III]] of the video games, Abilities were first introduced in the ''Ruby & Sapphire'' chapter of [[Pokémon Adventures]].

During {{adv|Sapphire}}'s battle with [[Roxanne]] in ''[[PS190|Blowing Past Nosepass I]]'', [[Roxanne's Nosepass]] proved superior to [[Rono]]. Worried that Rono would be defeated, {{adv|Sapphire}} attempted to switch Rono out for [[Chic]] but was unable to. Roxanne explained that because her {{p|Nosepass}} has {{a|Magnet Pull}}, {{t|Steel}}-type Pokémon cannot switch out.

{{adv|Ruby}}'s first encounter with Abilities arrived in ''[[PS193|Stick This in Your Craw, Crawdaunt II]]'' when he and [[Mr. Briney]] were attacked by a wild {{p|Crawdaunt}}. [[Peeko]] tried to defeat it with {{m|Quick Attack}}, but the Crawdaunt's {{a|Shell Armor}} prevented it from doing much damage at all. After Mr. Briney fell unconscious, Ruby had [[Kiki]] use {{m|Double-Edge}} and infatuate Crawdaunt with its Ability {{a|Cute Charm}}.

Sapphire later struggled against a potent counter Ability when she faced [[Brawly]] in ''[[PS195|Mashing Makuhita]]''. After Rono was quickly defeated by [[Brawly's Makuhita]], Chic used {{m|Flamethrower}} against {{p|Makuhita}}, but it had little effect due to its {{a|Thick Fat}}.

While on their way to [[Slateport City]], Ruby and Sapphire were attacked by {{FB|Magma Admin|Courtney}} and [[Tabitha]] at the [[Abandoned Ship]] during ''[[PS199|Adding It Up with Plusle & Minun II]]''. They escaped with the help of a wild {{p|Plusle}} and {{p|Minun}} after Ruby realized that their complimentary Abilities {{a|Plus}} and {{a|Minus}} greatly amplified their power when they fought together.

After [[Wattson]] is captured by the [[New Mauville]] generator, Sapphire devised a double battle strategy using his {{TP|Wattson|Electrike}} in ''[[PS205|Plugging Past Electrike II]]''. While Electrike did not have the moves to defeat the generator itself, and the wild {{p|Donphan}} that Wattson and the [[Trick Master]] had originally intended to capture would be quickly eradicated by its powerful attacks, Electrike's Ability {{a|Lightning Rod}} would allow it to redirect the bolt away from Donphan, buying Donphan enough time to destroy the generator with {{m|Rollout}}.

[[Archie]]'s {{p|Walrein}} activated Thick Fat during battle with [[Maxie]]'s {{p|Camerupt}} in ''[[PS230|Walrein and Camerupt]]''.

[[Norman]]'s {{p|Spinda}} was revealed to have {{a|Own Tempo}} as its Ability in ''[[PS258|Rayquaza Redemption I]]'' but {{m|Skill Swap}}ped it with his {{TP|Norman|Slaking}}'s {{a|Truant}}.

===={{chap|FireRed & LeafGreen}}====
{{adv|Red}}'s {{p|Aerodactyl|Aero}} activated {{a|Rock Head}} while using {{m|Take Down}} in ''[[PS274|Double Dealing with Deoxys]]''. In the same chapter, {{adv|Blue}}'s {{p|Rhydon}} activated {{a|Lightning Rod}}.

Red's [[Poli]] activated {{a|Damp}} in ''[[PS278|Put Your Beast Foot Forward]]''. It was {{m|Skill Swap}}ped by {{DL|Deoxys (Adventures)|Organism No. 2}} in ''[[PS301|Storming the Forretress]]''.

Blue's {{p|Alakazam}} copied [[Chuchu]]'s {{a|Static}} with {{m|Role Play}} in ''[[PS287|Secrets from Sneasel]]''.

===={{chap|Emerald}}====
The {{DL|Battle Frontier (Generation III)|Battle Factory}}'s {{p|Golem}} was revealed to have {{a|Rock Head}} in ''[[PS306|Pinsir Me, I Must Be Dreaming]]''.

{{adv|Emerald}}'s borrowed {{p|Phanpy}} had {{a|Pickup}} in ''[[PS311|A Dust-Up With Dusclops]]''.

===={{chap|Diamond & Pearl}}====
{{adv|Diamond}}'s [[Lax]] had {{a|Pickup}} in ''[[PS338|Stagestruck Starly]]''.

A wild {{p|Hippowdon}} had {{a|Sand Stream}} in ''[[PS361|Bombastic Bibarel & Heroic Hippopotas]]''.

[[Cyrus]]'s {{p|Magnezone}} had {{a|Magnet Pull}} in ''[[PS369|Problematic Probopass and Mad Magnezone II]]''.

Diamond's {{p|Lickilicky|Kit}} was revealed to have {{a|Own Tempo}} as its Ability in ''[[PS392|Well Met, Weepinbell]]'' but couldn't activate it since {{adv|Sebastian}}'s {{p|Weepinbell}} cancelled it out with {{m|Gastro Acid}}.

===={{chap|Platinum}}====
[[Platinum's Lopunny]] used her {{a|Cute Charm}} Ability in ''[[PS420|Getting the Drop on Gallade II]]'' to help her defeat a {{p|Gallade}}.

A {{p|Tyranitar}} belonging to the Battle Factory had {{a|Sand Stream}} in ''[[PS428|Outlasting Ledian]]''.

[[Diamond's Rotom]] was confirmed to have {{a|Levitate}} in ''[[PS430|Unplugging Rotom (Heat, Wash, Mow, Fan, Frost)]]''.

===={{chap|HeartGold & SoulSilver}}====
In ''[[PS455|All About Arceus IV]]'', [[Arceus (Adventures)|Arceus]] activated {{a|Multitype}}.

===={{chap|Black & White}}====
[[Brycen]]'s {{p|Vanillish}} had {{a|Ice Body}} in ''[[PS504|The Cold Hard Truth]]''.

Brycen's {{p|Beartic}} activated {{a|Snow Cloak}} in ''[[PS505|A Cold Reception]]''.

Black's {{DL|Black (Adventures)|Costa}} activated {{a|Solid Rock}} in ''[[PS516|One Way or Another]]'' but [[Iris]]'s {{p|Haxorus}} negated it with {{a|Mold Breaker}}.

===={{chap|X & Y}}====
[[X (Adventures)#Garma|X's Garma]] activated his {{a|Shadow Tag}} Ability as a Mega Gengar in ''[[PAXY20|Changing Gengar]]''.

In ''[[PAXY24|Pyroar Breathes]]'', X's {{p|Manectric}}, [[Élec]], used his {{a|Lightning Rod}} Ability to drain [[Lysandre]]'s machine's energy.

===In the Pokémon Battle Frontier manga===
[[Enta's Vulpix]] activated {{a|Flash Fire}} in ''[[CBF1|Enta Arrives at the Battle Frontier!]]''.

{{OBP|Enta|CBF}}'s {{p|Feebas}} activated {{a|Swift Swim}} in ''[[CBF4|Introducing the Frontier Brains!]]''.

When Enta battled [[Lucy's Seviper]] with {{p|Zangoose}} in ''[[CBF5|The Predestined Battle!]]'', Zangoose activated {{a|Immunity}} to prevent itself from being poisoned.

===In the Pocket Monsters BW: The Heroes of Fire and Thunder manga===
[[Togari]]'s {{p|Watchog}} activated {{a|Keen Eye}} in [[FAT1]].

===In the Pocket Monsters Diamond & Pearl manga===
{{p|Electivire}} was shown to activate {{a|Motor Drive}} in {{Ash}}'s imagination in [[PDP07]] if {{AP|Pikachu}} used {{m|Volt Tackle}} on it.

===In the Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure manga===
[[Saturn]]'s {{p|Rhyperior}} activated {{a|Lightningrod}} to redirect [[Hareta]]'s {{p|Luxio}} {{type|Electric}} moves to it.

[[Hareta]]'s {{p|Riolu}} has {{a|Steadfast}} which activated after {{status|flinch}}ing from [[B-2]]'s {{p|Drapion}}.

[[Hareta's Piplup]] has {{a|Torrent}}, which powered up its {{type|Water}} moves.

Hareta's {{p|Luxio}} activated {{a|Intimidate}} in ''[[DPA14|A Novel Test!!]]'' on [[Candice]]'s {{p|Regirock}} and {{p|Regice}} but Regirock's {{a|Clear Body}} prevented Intimidate from working. Regice and {{p|Registeel}} were revealed to have Clear Body in the same chapter but weren't shown activating it.

[[Hareta's Regigigas]] has {{a|Slow Start}}, which proved to be a disadvantage for [[Hareta]].

[[Koya]]'s {{p|Absol}}'s {{a|Super Luck}} nearly defeated Hareta's Empoleon but a comeback with Empoleon's {{m|Surf}} would have given Hareta the win but the battle was interrupted by [[Mitsumi]]'s {{p|Glaceon}}'s {{m|Ice Beam}}.

Koya's {{p|Mamoswine}} activated {{a|Snow Cloak}} during a hailstorm.

===In the Pocket Monsters Platinum: Aim to Be Battle King!! manga===
In [[PBK1]], {{OBP|Shin|PBK}}'s {{p|Bronzong}} had {{a|Heatproof}} to minimize the damage taken from [[Yū Shirogane's Infernape]]'s {{type|Fire}} moves but Infernape's {{a|Blaze}} powered them back up.

[[Yū Shirogane|Yū]]'s {{p|Scizor}} received {{p|Heatran}}'s {{a|Flash Fire}} Ability after {{p|Bronzong}} {{m|Skill Swap}}ped them in [[PBK4]]. Yū's Bronzong had {{a|Levitate}} in that same chapter.

Yū's {{p|Regigigas}} had {{a|Slow Start}} in [[PBK7]].

===In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga===
[[Norman]]'s {{p|Slakoth}} activated {{a|Truant}} in ''[[PMRS03|I Won't Let You Lead]]''.

{{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}} activated {{a|Illusion}} in [[PMHGSS20]].

===In the Pokémon - The Legend of the Dragon King manga===
[[Taichi]]'s {{p|Ampharos}} had the Ability, {{a|Static}}.

==Trivia==
* The unused Ability {{a|Cacophony}} was included in the coding for third-generation games as Ability #076 ({{a|Air Lock}} was #077). From the fourth generation, Cacophony was removed and Air Lock was renumbered as #076, with the new Abilities positioned from #077 onward.
* [[Generation III]] introduced the most Abilities, with 76. [[Generation VI]] introduced the least, with 27.

==In other languages==
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==References==
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==See also==
* [[Ability variations]]
* [[List of Pokémon by Ability]]
* [[List of Abilities in other languages]]
* [[Ability Capsule]]

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Talk:Pokémon games

2017-01-21T10:35:22Z

PartHunter: /* Pokemon Bank and Poke Transporter */ new section

I propose moving [[Pokémon Box Ruby and Sapphire|Pokémon Box]] back to the "Generation III" section. Since it has the same kind of emulation and Pokémon storage features as in the [[Pokémon Stadium]] series, it follows the base Pokémon game style much more closely than the rest of the titles listed under "Other Games". I just posted here instead of editing the page so that I could get someone else's opinion rather than starting an edit war.
-Woopert

Pokémon Box is already in the Generation III article. It's in the bottom part of the Other Generation III games category along with two minor points. It's always been there as I wrote the article. Check it out here:

http://www.bulbagarden.net/pedia/Generation_III

L_X
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Sorry for confusing you; I was talking about where [[Pokémon Box Ruby and Sapphire|Box]] was listed on [[Pokémon games|this page]], where Meowth346 moved it from the blue "Generation III" square to the teal "Other Games" square.- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] ([[User talk:Quagbert|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Quagbert|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

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Done. [[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 02:49, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Other Games General Information ==

Currently the General Information link in the Other Games section leads to the [[Generation I]] article, it's obviously not supposeed to lead there, but where should it lead?
- [[User:MTC|MTC]] 05:58, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Non-copyvio patches? ==
There is a distribution of Quartz that exists only as an .ips file, patcher, and documentation. Any person who owns Ruby wouldn't be violating copyright law to use this patch and play the resulting game. Since the knockoff is quite different, notably hilarious in many aspects, and distributed in a format that consists, to my knowledge, of only original work, is it appropriate to list it in this index? While based on the Ruby ROM, the game itself is less similar to Ruby than even Sapphire.[[User:Iliekmudkips|Iliekmudkips]] 17:17, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
:Since this Wiki is against Fanfiction and other "Fan Created Content" being on it, I think that serves as a "No" to any and all ROM Hacks, reguardless of how different they are from the normal game.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 00:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
== Wierd ==

Does it strike anyone else wierd that every new generation of Pokemon is released on a different Nintendo Handheld System?--[[User:23-03-33|Tommy]] 23:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

That, my friend, is the point. [[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 16:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

== Plural title ==

Any reason this is {{g|games}} instead of {{g|game}}? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 21:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Its about the franchise? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

== Just Askin' ==

Before I edit, I want to ask if I can remove Picross, since it's probably not going to be realeased. I heard Nintendo say '''No More Game Boy Games'''.

== Pocket Monsters Advance Generation Hiragana Katakana.. something something ==
Here's a Pokemon Video game I'm sure most didn't know existed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQwq1HEAW5w
It's apparently a teaching tool for Hiragana and Katakana... we need an article on this, yes? And the system it was on (The Sega Pico)--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 04:04, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:...on a Sega system!? Seriously now. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:18, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::I think this actually exists. I managed to find [http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/rig_veda/59868804.html this website] which seems to have quite some details on the subject. I think it says there were a couple other games made for the Sega Pico, but I can't read that much Japanese, so I don't know for sure. What really confuses me is how and why Nintendo would let Sega use Pokémon on one of their systems... [[User:Wolf|Wolf]] 06:23, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, the fact that the {{wp|Sega Pico|Pico}} as a whole is pretty much an educaional tool might be a factor. Educational-oriented consoles generally aren't seen on the same playing field as the general console fare, such as a {{wp|Dreamcast}}, [[Wii]], {{wp|Sega Game Gear|Game Gear}}, or [[DS]]. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:24, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== This looks a little messy ==

Well, the Other Games section looks a bit messy, more specifically from the Mystery Dungeon / Ranger, it starts to break the window's limit, not mentioning that the Ranger section has no border at all, can someone fix it? [[User:Masatoshi|'''聖人''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''wat''''']] 12:39, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Border added. If you have a non-messy way of displaying this page, be bold and change it ;) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:57, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::Done. Hope that works out. [[User:Masatoshi|'''聖人''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''wat''''']] 13:19, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]] ==

"BRING '''''YOU''''' BATTLE TO THE BIG SCREEN!"

"Grab a Battle Pass, customise your Trainer and battle your way to the rank of Pokétopia Master! Or, battle against up '''''yp''''' to three friends with Pokémon Diamond or Pokémon Pearl using your Nintendo DS system as a controller!"

Can anyone fix this? It just doesn't look right and I highly doubt that's what they really wrote as the description. --[[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 23:14, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

:Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out! :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Wanna chat?]])'' 23:29, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

== Japanese Main Series blurbs ==

Seeing as how a couple of them lack blurbs (not the new ones coming out this year but other older ones), I was wondering if someone was fluent enough in Japanese to where I could provide some image links and let them translate the blurbs. Would bring this page a little closer to completion. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 20:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

== Applications? ==

I think we should put [[Pokédex 3D]], [[Pokémon Dream Radar]], and [[Pokédex 3D Pro]] under a category titled '''Applications''' above the '''Others''' section since these three things aren't really game cartridges so to speak, applications for the [[Nintendo 3DS]]. Just a thought. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] ([[User talk:Dialgafan1|talk]]) 00:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

== Blurbs ==

I really don't think they are necessary here. They're all on the individual game pages and fit better there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 19:33, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

== Missing Self-Contained Game? ==
The [http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pokemon-Electronic-Battle-Trainer-Game-2005-Hasbro-Nintendo-Handheld-Pikachu-/151014955514?pt=Games_US&hash=item23293159fa Pokemon Electronic Battle Trainer] should probably be listed under self-contained games. 
Sorry the link had to be ebay, couldn't find a better one. --[[User:Thanktank|Thanktank]] ([[User talk:Thanktank|talk]]) 02:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

== First Release ==

We should rename this column to ''Release Date'' & include both the Japan & US release dates. It would be better this way. --- '''[[User:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]]''' ''([[User talk:PikaTepig999|TALK]])''''([[Special:Contributions/Pikatepig999|Contribs]])'' 09:19, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
:Since nobody has replied by now, I am going to ask this question on the talk page of Project Games Leader. →[[User talk:PikaTepig999|PikaTepig999]] 09:59, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

== Core Series ==

How are [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], [[Pokémon XD]], [[Pokémon Box Ruby & Sapphire]], the Stadium games, Transporter and Dream World part of the core series? [[User Talk:Player3.25|Brought to you by]] [[User:Player3.25|Player3.25]] 17:48, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

== Games For Windows ==

Hello everyone. I was reading this article and I think the use of the Games For Windows logotype is completely wrong. Just because a program is on the Microsoft Windows platform does not mean it is a Games For Windows program.

Changes I think would make it better:
1. Pokémon Dream World ( http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_games#Core_series ) should use a text stating "Web application" and not have anything to do with any specific platform due to working on every platform.

2. For Pokémon Play It! and Pokémon Play It! Version 2 ( http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_games#Play_It.21_series ) a more appropriate logotype would be the logotype for Microsoft Windows 95 ( [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/Microsoft_Windows_95_Logo.png] ) since both Pokémon Play It! and Pokémon Play It! Version 2 are Windows 9x with support for Microsoft Windows 95.

3. Pokémon Trading Card Game Online ( http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_games#Other_TCG_video_games ) should have a Windows Vista logo ( [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Microsoft_Windows_Vista_wordmark.svg] ) a Mac OS X Mountain Lion logo ( [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/MountainLionHero.png] ) and the Ios logo ( [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Apple_iOS_new.svg] )

4. I do not know about PokéROM ( http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_games#Individual_spin-off_games )so someone who knows or owns it can please help fill this in.

5. Pokémon Masters Arena ( http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_games#Individual_spin-off_games ) should have both the Microsoft Windows 98 ( [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Microsoft_Windows_98_Logo.png] ) logo and the Windows XP ( [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/Microsoft_Windows_XP_logo_and_wordmark.svg] ) logo. This is because the game supports both Windows 9x (98 and up) and at the same time Windows XP.

6. Pokémon Team Turbo ( http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_Team_Turbo ) should have both the Microsoft Windows 98 ( [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Microsoft_Windows_98_Logo.png] ) logo and the Windows XP ( [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/Microsoft_Windows_XP_logo_and_wordmark.svg] ) logo. This is because the game supports both Windows 9x (98 and up) and at the same time Windows XP.

7. I have no idea about what platform Pokémon PC Master ( http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_PC_Master ) was released on. Judging by the date probably Windows XP but could also be something else. Someone who has info, fill in!

8. Pokémon Team Rocket Blast Off, Pokémon Poké Ball Launcher and Pokémon Seek & Find ( http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_games#Perdue_Farms ) are Flash games and because of it, platform independent. Naturally these would use the Adobe Flash logo or something of the sorts
( [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash#/media/File:Adobe_Flash_Player_v11_icon.png] )

9. Pokémon Project Studio Red and Blue ( http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_games#Applications ) should use the same Windows 95 logo as Pokémon Play It! and Pokémon Play It! Version 2 ( [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/Microsoft_Windows_95_Logo.png] ) {{unsigned|Cedric.lunneborg}}
:I think this is a fair criticism, since Games for Windows is a specific brand. I think it would just be better to display the logo of the Operating System family it works on though, like we do for mobile games (we don't put iOS 6 or Android 5 for example).
:The Pokémon Dream World was a Flash-based web app, so it might be best to handle that in a similar way to the Perdue Farms games (which can be played online as Flash games, or off of the CDs they were distributed on).
:In the particular case of Pokémon Trading Card Game Online, it used to be a web app but now it's a specific download; that may actually mean its OS compatibility changed when that change was made, but I would be happy with just listing the current OSes it works with on this page, and leave any details like that to its own page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:07, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

==Pokémon Video Game logo==
when and how long was the Pokémon video game logo used? {{unsigned|Awesomevenustoise101}}

== Regional release dates? ==

It looks like the release dates are all given as the earliest release. It seems to me that it would be more useful to put the release dates for each region, as Wikipedia does for its articles on video games. I'm wondering what people think would be better, a table like the following (with formatting fixed up, of course--this is just barebones stuff, copied piecemeal from the article):

{| class="roundy" style="background:#1d2c5e; border:5px solid #ffcb05"
! style="background:#3467af; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|1d2c5e|Generation|Gen.}}
! style="background:#3467af" | {{color|1d2c5e|Game}}
! style="background:#3467af" | {{color|1d2c5e|Platform}}
! style="background:#3467af" | {{color|1d2c5e|Japanese release}}
! style="background:#3467af" | {{color|1d2c5e|North American release}}
! style="background:#3467af" | {{color|1d2c5e|European release}}
! style="background:#3467af; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color|1d2c5e|Australian release}}
|- style="background:#fff; text-align:center"
! rowspan="2" | I
| Pokemon Red and Green
| Game Boy
| February 27, 1996
| N/A
| N/A
| N/A
|- style="background:#fff; text-align:center"
| Pokemon Red and Blue
| Game Boy
| N/A
| September 28, 1998
| October 5, 1999
| October 23, 1998
|-
! colspan="7" style="background:#3467af; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |
|}{{-}}

Or a table like the following:

{| class="roundy" style="background:#1d2c5e; border:5px solid #ffcb05"
! style="background:#3467af; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color2|1d2c5e|Generation|Gen.}}
! style="background:#3467af" | {{color|1d2c5e|Game}}
! style="background:#3467af" | {{color|1d2c5e|Platform}}
! style="background:#3467af; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color|1d2c5e|Release date}}
|- style="background:#fff; text-align:center"
! rowspan="2" | I
| Pokemon Red and Green
| Game Boy
| February 27, 1996 (JP)
|- style="background:#fff; text-align:center"
| Pokemon Red and Blue
| Game Boy
| September 28, 1998 (NA) October 5, 1999 (EU) October 23, 1998 (AU)
|-
! colspan="4" style="background:#3467af; {{roundybottom|5px}}" |
|}{{-}}

Or perhaps something different altogether?

--[[User:Xolroc|Xolroc]] ([[User talk:Xolroc|talk]]) 18:00, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
:There's [[List of games by release date]]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:13, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

== Pokemon Bank and Poke Transporter ==

1. Isn't Poke Transporter technically generation V, since it directly interacts with generation V as part of the side series, but can't interact with VI?

2. Arn't they both also generation VII games as well, with Poke Transporter being I due to the Virtual Console releases?

So how should they go on the page? Do we need to change the layout of the table? [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 10:35, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Sun and Moon

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==What generation?==
I know this is very unusual, having a talk page created before its main page counterpart, but do we have enough information to outright confirm S/M as part of Generation VII? [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 15:10, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:I know generations aren't really official per se, so there's no way of really knowing, especially without knowing what region they take place in. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 15:21, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
::No confirmation yet, but the [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-sun-and-pokemon-moon/ official website] mentions that you have to use Pokémon Bank to trade from XYORAS, which would suggest a new gen as otherwise you could just trade directly. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] ([[User talk:Dorsal Axe|talk]]) 15:32, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Also another hint that this game is in Gen VII is in the decription of [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmzDL1l3Fag this clip] I cite "The next era of Pokémon games has been announced! Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon are coming to the Nintendo 3DS family of systems in late 2016! Visit our site for more information!" --[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 15:51, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
::::http://pokemon.gamespress.com/release.asp?i=1942&lang=en&region=United+Kingdom [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] ([[User talk:Torpoleon|talk]]) 18:01, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

== In other languages ==

Could someone add this?
{{langtable|color={{sun color}}|bordercolor={{moon color}}
|zh_yue=
|zh_cmn=
|fr=Pokémon Soleil et Lune
|de=Pokémon Sonne und Mond
|it=Pokémon Sole e Luna
|ko=
|es=Pokémon Sol y Pokémon Luna
}}
--[[User:Raltseye|Ralts]][[User talk:Raltseye|eye]] 16:17, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:{{langtable|color={{sun color}}|bordercolor={{moon color}}
|zh_cmn=精灵宝可梦太阳·月亮
|zh_yue=精靈寶可夢太陽·月亮
|fr=Pokémon Soleil et Lune
|de=Pokémon Sonne und Mond
|it=Pokémon Sole e Luna
|ko=
|es=Pokémon Sol y Pokémon Luna
}}
And this. Thought the language codes for Chinese aren't quite right, the template doesn't currently support any other way of doing it. The "Mandarin" name is the name in Simplified characters, and the "Cantonese" one is the Traditional characters name. The Taiwanese name would be Mandarin as well, but written the "Cantonese way". - [[User:BZD|BZD]] ([[User talk:BZD|talk]]) 17:15, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

== Langlinks ==

Someone should add the langlinks from [http://www.pokewiki.de/Pokémon_Sonne_und_Mond]. --[[User:Chandelure2509|Chandelure2509]] ([[User talk:Chandelure2509|talk]]) 19:04, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

== It's going to be based on Malaysia ==

[https://twitter.com/RealShigeruM/status/703280465650647041] [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:55, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:Take a good look at that whole history with a skeptical mind... I'm not, personally, sure how to check if a Twitter account is verified or anything, but it seems ''very'' unlikely that's really Shigeru Miyamoto. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. So we'll just ignore it xP [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 00:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry to say this, but you don't need a skeptical mind to notice that's a parody account. 100% fake, just look at all the profanity and dank memes there are there. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 03:52, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

== Interesting facts that might be considered added ==

[https://twitter.com/RealShigeruM/status/703242332267810817]
[https://twitter.com/RealShigeruM/status/703244908577079297]
[https://twitter.com/RealShigeruM/status/703246643056025600]
[https://twitter.com/RealShigeruM/status/703256355713339393]
[https://twitter.com/RealShigeruM/status/703257237611937792]
[https://twitter.com/RealShigeruM/status/703258027613405184]
[https://twitter.com/RealShigeruM/status/703258585120124929]
[[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 23:59, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
:Same as above... [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

== Chinese Logos ==

Since when do we put Chinese logos in the gallery? :O [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 01:01, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:Since they started existing. These are the first games officially translated into Chinese. [[User:Glik|glik]][[User talk:Glik|glak]] 01:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
::I know, but what I mean is, why do we keep these and not the others? (French, etc.) [[User:MannedTooth| MannedTooth ]] ([[User_Talk:MannedTooth|Talk]]) 01:32, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
:::I think it's because they use a different writing system for their language, unlike the European ones, all of which use the romanian alphabet. That said, I don't think there's anything preventing us from adding the European logos in the galleries too. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 03:37, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

== A little bit of trivia ==

These are the first non-remake games since Red, Green and Blue that use symbols on their logos. --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 03:54, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
:[[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions|HGSS]] seem to have symbols. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
::"Non-remake." [[User:Luckytama|Luckytama]] ([[User talk:Luckytama|talk]]) 04:02, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Considering the kinds of symbols that are on {{gameabbrev1|RGB}}, I think excluding remakes is a very arbitrary condition; the symbols on the remakes are used very like those on RBG. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 04:11, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

== Korean logos ==

I would add them to the page myself if I could, but here are the Korean logos. If someone can add them to the page, I would greatly appreciate it. -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 01:23, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

<gallery>
Pokémon Sun Version logo KO.png|Korean Pokémon Sun logo
Pokémon Moon Version logo KO.png|Korean Chinese Pokémon Moon logo
</gallery>

:Added to the page. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:20, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks! -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] ([[User talk:Nick15|talk]]) 01:23, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

== Professor ==

Are you sure Hala is the Professor? I mean, I know he was the one who sent the starter Pokemon out, but Professors are usually named after trees and Kukui is a type of tree, or is related to trees. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 16:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
:Hala tree or Pandanus tectorius is a tree that grows on Hawaii, so both characters are named after trees. --[[User:Basinox|Basinox]] ([[User talk:Basinox|talk]]) 17:11, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
::Neither of them have been called a professor (or -hakase), so the point is that it's premature to call either of them "Professor _____", as this page does in the caption of the screenshot of Hala. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

== Solgaleo and Lunaala. ==

It's pretty much certain that their names will be Solgaleo and Lunaala. Considering that the Moon one is LEO like Lion and SOLGA like Solar and GALEO like Galileo {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}
:When there's some confirmation, great. Until then, it's still speculation. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
::So what about the Pokemon on the front covers of Sun and Moon? [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 15:51, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:::What do you mean what about them? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Should we make an article with the "Solgaleo" and "Lunaala" names and put the "The subject of this article has no official name.
::::The name currently in use is a fan designator; see below for more information." message? [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 15:54, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::For the "See Below" Part, you could put "Fans currently speculate this Pokemon's name after 2 names from the Pokemon Company were revealed in :::::the Japenese Trademark database" 15:56, 12 May 2016 (UTC) {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}
::::::Until they are officially revealed, it is (as you said) purely speculation what the names will be. There's already limited enough information and speculation running rampant with the new region and starters, there's no need to post entirely speculative articles that ave nothing more than a picture and possible Japanese name. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 16:09, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::True. There are things we ''might'' do to showcase unidentified Pokemon somehow, but not that. We generally want to stick to describing confirmed details; Bulbapedia isn't a news site that really needs to stay abreast of current (or the most "likely") rumors. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:47, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Apparently these two names were leaked through trademarks. We don't know if these trademarks are real or not, but at least for now we know that the trademarks for the Japanese names of Rowlet, Litten, and Popplio are real. Crum Mum 19:14, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::So now that the leaks confirmed these true, except Lunala's extra a, could we consider any other new trademarks true? [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 20:44, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Game Freak has also, over the years, filed {{DL|Core series|Unused trademarks|trademarks for things like}} "Pokémon Delta Emerald" and "Pokémon Gray." We can't trust that any particular trademark will be actually implemented. Any given trademark could be changed or abandoned entirely before being publicly revealed. So no, we can't treat trademarks as fact. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 05:30, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::However, we all already thought Delta Emerald wouldn't happen because of OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire. And Grey, I can't argue with that. But we had enough evidence to assume, due to the Lion legendary, and the naming of Solar, Galieo, and Leo, that we could've peiced together the name.... [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 14:21, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::We don't need to make assumptions. Just be ''patient'' and wait for official news. If you're so eager to discuss what might be, you may wish to explore the [http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php forums] instead. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:36, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Okay! I'll try my best to stop getting ahead of myself. [[User:Theexploringgamer|Theexploringgamer]] ([[User talk:Theexploringgamer|talk]]) 14:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

== Trailers [June 2nd] ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHSl9xdxfyI UK: Explore the Alola Region in Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon!], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW14HO7C1Dg&feature=youtu.be Explore the Alola Region in Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon! (North America)], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6N09Ak3q94 (Japan 1)], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K3Cs7WyAxE (Japan 2)], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O26lNuWiG6w (Japan 3)], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BQGpos0j4 (Japan 4)], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhI7qWn6hxg (Japan 5)], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc03tXikfJs (Japan 6)], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTB_UOCzSGw (Japan 7)]. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 21:02, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

== Protagonist Names ==

According to the E3 2016 trailer, the names of the protagonists may be Elio and Selene because Elio is from Helios the Greek word for Sun and Selene is the Greek word for Moon and they probably used the names for both the manga and the game in the Battle Royal part or maybe they are just tricking us.
--[[User:Red Yoshi Team Moon|Red Yoshi Team Moon]] ([[User talk:Red Yoshi Team Moon|talk]]) 21:50, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
:Note that they also used the names Sun and Moon in the Battle Royal. We don't know which of these names, if any, will be the official names. Either or both pairs could just be names they're using for promotional materials. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 22:39, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
::As with everything else, if it's not 100% confirmed, it doesn't go on the site. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:24, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

== Magearna ==

Shouldn't Magearna's new artwork be in the gallery? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:59, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
:Magearna has been added. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 23:25, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

== Pokedex ==

Not sure if this is relevant or not, but I had a look at some one of the games gameplay footage from E3 and it showed a Pokedex entry that listed a Pokemon's height with meters and the weight in kilograms instead of the heights being measure in inches and the weights being measure in pounds. Should this be mentioned here and or on the Pokedex page? [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 14:04, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
:It's still prerelease. We'll wait and see. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 15:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
::I will say that should it only appear in pre-release information, then we can add it to the relevant article for [[Beta Pokémon games]] in November. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 16:06, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Rotom Pokedex be included as an Alola variant? ([[User:Shadoguardian|Shadoguardian]] ([[User talk:Shadoguardian|talk]]) 09:20, 3 August 2016 (UTC))
:That's not a natural adaptation. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:24, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

== Tapu Koko location in the gallery? ==

I'm a stickler for proper ordering so bear with me

Whether or not Tapu Koko is a legendary, shouldn't he be listed next to Solgaleo and Lunala in the gallery just solely for his unique plot-related role instead of being between two seemingly typical Pokemon? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 10:59, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

:I agree, since it is referred to as a "guardian deity", which no other non-legendary (that I can think of at the moment) has been referred tto something like it.[[User:Animaltamer7|Animaltamer7]]12:22, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
::If it's revealed as Legendary, it can be moved. Otherwise, it'll be just fine until the game is released and that section is just removed from this page entirely. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:33, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
:::But even if it isn't legendary, it's special in that it's still plot-related, so it should be separate from the normal Pokemon, even if not grouped with the legendaries. And even if that doesn't count, putting it between Salandit and Solgaleo would still keep it grouped with the normal Pokemon (as much as Salandit is now) while also not requiring a move should it be revealed to be legendary. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 05:29, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
::::The rules for that order are already complex enough and probably as complex as they need to be. Frankly, your "plot-related" criteria is just another way of saying you think it'll be Legendary, so we should '''''assume''''' it belongs in that vicinity. No, thank you; we don't need to jump the gun on a half-baked prayer. If it's officially revealed as Legendary, it can be moved. For now, it's fine. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:53, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Frankly, I find it rude and insulting that you thought you could read my mind. I honestly believe that plot-related counts as criteria for special treatment, regardless of legendary status.
::::That said, I was unaware there are actually official rules for ordering. May I have a link please? I'd like to know for future reference. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 00:33, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, then. I'll just go back to what I said at first: it's just not important enough, it's fine until the games come out.
:::::The criteria right now is basically starters first, Legendary/Mythicals last, and the rest ordered by reveal between (with allowance for families). Both starters and Legendary/Mythicals are pretty strictly defined; everything else isn't. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:13, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

== Hey admins ==

This is your friendly reminder that because this page is locked, you have to update it. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 21:02, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
:It gets updated every time new information comes out. They don't need a reminder about it. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:59, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
::I sent that because it had been a few hours since the new information was released, and they were online doing other things, but the page had not yet been updated. So... [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 01:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Also, we should probably include Minior's core artwork, and the characters. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 01:10, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
:At various times, various people may always have various obligations not related to the site at all.
:...That said, we're very aware when there are new updates like this, so we do try to get to it as soon as we ''can''. If it's been a whole day, ''then'' maybe we're late. Otherwise, just give us a bit more of a chance, maybe. Thanks. =) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:16, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Is Minior's core artwork not going to be added? If not, shouldn't Oricorio's different forms' artworks be removed? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 19:52, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
:It will be uploaded when it gets uploaded. Don't be ridiculous, just have some patience.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:50, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

== Chinese pronunciation and meaning ==
Well, in the "In other Languages" section, the <code><nowiki>{{tt}}</nowiki></code> of the Chinese is the pronunciation. But shouldn't it be the meaning in <code><nowiki>{{tt|in chinese|meaning}}</nowiki></code> and the pronunciation in Italic right to it? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 13:25, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

== Tapu Koko + Kanto Pokémon ==

I know this was discussed before, but I feel Tapu Koko should be moved to after Crabrawler. This is because on the Japanese site it has it's own category (when translated via Google, it's "Guardian Angel of Alola [Arora]), which I feel is noticeable. Also, should we add the Kanto Pokémon that were added to the Japanese site? (Dragonite, Dratini, Dragonair, Zubat, Golbat, Crobat, Gyarados, Magikarp, Spearow, Fearow, Pinsir, Lapras, Arcanine, Growlithe, Psyduck & Golduck.) If some could answer, that'd be nice. [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 17:09, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
:Prior to the release of a core series game, our galleries typically only display the new Pokemon or forms that will debut, not old Pokemon that will return. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:22, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
::Oh, okay. I wasn't sure. (This is the first time I've actively followed a game's release.) But still, what about Tapu Koko? [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 20:11, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Like you said. It was discussed above. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:15, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
::::No, I understand the points made there. I just don't get why it being classified as a "Guardian Deity" doesn't mean anything. It's pretty apparent that it is more on par with legends or mythicals, as it has it's own catergory on the japanese site, and is in the large box with Solgaleo, Lunala, and Magearna on the english site. [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 21:37, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::"Apparent" amounts to little better than speculation. Nothing is explicit. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 21:48, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::Let me clarify, then. It's "apparent" that it'll be on par with the legends, but it's explicitly stated that it's definitely it's own class; otherwise, it'd be listed with all the other Pokémon on the Japanese site. I'm not saying we need to classify it as such, just that it should be moved to before Solgaleo. [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 22:00, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Victini is a legendary, or as you say it, in its own class, but look at where it's placed. We're not going to assume that it's near Solgaleo and Lunaala because of its apparent legendary status. It will be re-ordered accordingly when they actual '''explicitly''' (read: actually call it a legendary or the game dex shows its placement) say it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:03, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Ahh, okay. Thanks for clarifying that. [[User:AmoongussForLife|AmoongussForLife]] ([[User talk:AmoongussForLife|talk]]) 13:53, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

== Update ==
Well, we already have UB02 in Ultra Beasts and the evolved form of Rockruff, so I don't really understand why this article isn't yet updated by someone from the staff... [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 14:02, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
:It's been literally less than 10 minutes since they were revealed. Chill. Bulbapedia is not on a deadline. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:10, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding Pokémon Moves ==

Are Pokémon still limited to having only four moves? There are rumors circling across the Internet that this number has been increased to five.
[[User:Kangaflora|Kangaflora]] ([[User talk:Kangaflora|talk]]) 16:29, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
:The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W2quT9stUM E3 gameplay footage] appears to have room for only 4 moves on the gameplay menu, but other than that I don't think anything has been officially said or hinted one way or the other. It's possible the rumors you're hearing are garbled interpretations of the fact that Pokémon will be able to use a [[Z-Move]] in addition to the (presumably four) moves in their moveset. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:41, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
::I believe indeed that the fifth move would be a Z-Move. This, however, needs playing to confirm, or some kind of gameplay to show a Z-Move being used while retaining the other four moves. It appears that the main four moves remain as the four normally useable moves from what we have so far seen. [[User:CycloneGU|CycloneGU]] ([[User talk:CycloneGU|talk]]) 18:31, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
:::Video footage from when "Hyper-Sprintangriff" was revealed show {{de|Datei:SM_Kampfbildschirm.png|four moves available first}}, then {{de|Datei:SM_Auswahl_Z-Attacke.png|the Z-Move}} after pressing the "Z-Kraft" (Z-Power) button (see footage in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsK-dgxbGzs here], for example{{tt|*|and don't listen to what they say}}). Note that this is in a [[Battle Royal]]. Also, {{m|Pulverizing Pancake}} is [http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pulverizing-snorlax/ known] to "transform" Snorlax's Giga Impact. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:27, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Pause at the time [https://youtu.be/fL6QuYi3rpo?t=1m41s in this link to an english trailer] to see that Z-moves appear as a Z-Power button on the other side of the menu to use a move. The Pokémon this is for is Litten (the opposing Pokémon is under the moves), and it knows Growl, Lick, Leer and Fire Fang, and is selecting Z-Power to use the Z-move Inferno Overdrive. Since all we know about Z-Moves is that the Pokémon must know a move of the same type as the type that works with the Z-Crystal, that the description of the Z-Crystals state that they convert Z-Power into crystals that cause moves of a given type to be upgraded into Z-Moves of that type (the description uses Z-Moves, not Z-Move or the name of a Z-Move) and that some Z-Crystals only work for a specific Pokémon while allowing a special Z-Move, and the footage cuts straight to the Z-Move being charged, it is even possible that after selecting Z-Power it is necessary to select a move as well, which would (if Z-Moves have varied attributes or change to different Z-Moves depending on the move upgraded into a Z-Move) allow the player to chose which one to upgrade if the Pokémon knows multiple moves of that type, and prevent players from simply using a Z-move on wild Pokémon to knock them out without using any PP of any move. While the footage in general shows how this is probably a rumour that Pokémon will be able to learn 5 moves, and how such a rumour could have started if seen with no context in a foreign language (This trailer is new to the English language, but had a Japanese version a while ago). If my guess/theory is true, even holding a Z-Crystal would not add a fifth move, only upgrade an existing one when activated. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 03:51, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::It's like Mega Evolution. A fifth button for moves. It does not upgrade an existing move. [[User:Ifni400|Ifni400]] ([[User talk:Ifni400|talk]]) 07:29, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
==Alolan Dugtrio ==
I know we can't add any of the Datamined stuff to the page, but Alolan Dugtrio is actually in the demo, so shouldn't that be added? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] ([[User talk:Vienna Waltz|talk]]) 20:15, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

== Unlisted Features ==

Out of curiosity, is there any reason why Pokémon Refresh and Poké Finder aren't included in the list of features (or at least Rotom Pokedex for Poké Finder)? Also, I think the 12 hour differences between versions is also an important feature that might need to be noted. [[User:Aozora210|Aozora210]] ([[User talk:Aozora210|talk]]) 22:11, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

== Apricorns ==
Is it not worth mentioning that these are the only games not set in Johto where Apricorn Balls are usable items? Even when they're hacked into the bag in other games, they're unusable. It's also fairly odd that you can only get one of each. [[User:Me, Hurray!|Me, Hurray!]] ([[User talk:Me, Hurray!|talk]]) 22:49, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Is this the first game that a pokemon's uniunique sprite appears in the overworld before battling it(pokemon jumping from bushes and dropping from the sky)?[[User:Alondon17|Alondon17]] ([[User talk:Alondon17|talk]]) 17:12, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:There have been plenty of times before that Pokemon have used unique (i.e. not generic/shared with other Pokemon) overworld sprites in the overworld — off the top of my head, Snorlax from Gen 1 was the first, and it became widespread starting with Gen 3's legendaries. If you're asking whether this is the first time a Pokemon's ''in-battle'' sprite or model appears in the overworld... I wouldn't say it's fair to call the cutscenes as Totem battles start "the overworld" (after all, the models appear only in cutscenes and not in the overworld in general), and I'm not sure whether or not other models (e.g. Wimpod) are technically the same as the in-battle models. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 18:06, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
so it's the first to do that for random encounters[[User:Alondon17|Alondon17]] ([[User talk:Alondon17|talk]]) 18:19, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:I would potentially disagree as I believe that a similar mechanic is available in the Kalos games and I am unsure as to what model those games use for their ambush encounters. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 20:51, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
forget what I said about what model. I meant not the generic black shadow[[User:Alondon17|Alondon17]] ([[User talk:Alondon17|talk]]) 21:08, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

== Non-seen ==

As far as I can tell, every Pokemon can be obtained or seen without trading besides the following:
*Rowlet, Dartrix, Litten, Torracat, Popplio, Brionne
*Sun: Lunala, Pheromosa, Celesteela, Bastiodon
*Moon: Solgaleo, Buzzwole, Kartana, Carracosta

For the player, this is ameliorated by the QR scanner feature, but is this worth mentioning? To my understanding, the previous games made a point of including every character ''somewhere'', and Sun Moon definitely at least ramped up the variety of who you fight once you get to Poni Island.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 20:50, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
:As far as I know, it's only Diamond, Pearl and Platinum that made sure the player could register every Pokemon as "seen". Earlier games as well as Black and White certainly didn't, and I don't know one way or the other about HGSS, B2W2, XY and ORAS. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 00:11, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
::Okay. I still think it's kind of interesting that Bastiodon and Carracosta are on the list, they seem like weird outliers.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 03:19, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

:::In ORAS, Secret Base Trainers of other players will still have their Pokémon registered by the Pokédex, so ANY Pokémon can be registered as seen, but in B2W2, there are a couple that can't be seen without trading. Not sure about HGSS and XY.
:::Also, Solgaleo, Lunala, Buzzwole, Pheromosa, Celesteela and Kartana don't have a known QR code, and so cannot be registered as seen under any circumstances in the game they are not in. Even Magerna can be registered as seen by the Pokédex, and that's a Mythical Pokémon. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 13:26, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Anticipation (Ability)

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PartHunter: /* Effect */ Add {{incomplete}}. View the page to see why.

{{AbilityInfobox
|name=Anticipation
|jpname=きけんよち
|jptrans=Danger Premonition
|jptranslit=Kikenyochi
|colorscheme=fighting
|gen=4
|text4=Senses the foe's dangerous moves.
|text5=Senses a foe's dangerous moves.
|text6=Senses an opposing Pokémon's dangerous moves.
|text7=The Pokémon can sense an opposing Pokémon's dangerous moves.
}}
'''Anticipation''' (Japanese: '''きけんよち''' ''Danger Premonition'') is an [[Ability]] introduced in [[Generation IV]].

==Effect==
{{incomplete|section|Gen VII changes, if any. What type it views Revelation Dance as}}
===In battle===
====Generation IV====
When a Pokémon with Anticipation enters the battle or a Pokémon gains the Ability Anticipation, it causes the Pokémon to "shudder" if any opponent has a damaging move that is super-effective against the Pokémon with Anticipation, a [[one-hit knockout move]], or {{m|Selfdestruct}} or {{m|Explosion}}.

{{m|Hidden Power}}, {{m|Judgment}}, {{m|Weather Ball}}, and {{m|Natural Gift}} are treated as {{type|Normal}} moves. {{m|Counter}}, {{m|Metal Burst}}, and {{m|Mirror Coat}} do not trigger Anticipation.

====Generation V====
The moves Selfdestruct and Explosion no longer trigger Anticipation by default.

{{m|Counter}}, {{m|Metal Burst}}, and {{m|Mirror Coat}} are counted as attacking moves of their types, so can trigger Anticipation. {{m|Techno Blast}} is treated as a Normal-type move.

====Generation VI onward====
The moves Self-Destruct and Explosion can trigger Anticipation in [[Inverse Battle]]s, if the Pokémon is weak to Normal-type moves.

Anticipation ignores a [[mysterious air current]].

===Outside of battle===
Anticipation has no effect outside of battle.

===Pokémon Mystery Dungeon===
In {{g|Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness}}, a Pokémon detects super-effective moves by hitting the opponent with a regular attack.

==Pokémon with Anticipation==
{{Ability/head|Fighting}}
{{ability/entry|133|Eevee|Normal|Normal|Run Away|Adaptability|Anticipation}}
{{ability/entry|339|Barboach|Water|Ground|Oblivious|Anticipation|Hydration}}
{{ability/entry|340|Whiscash|Water|Ground|Oblivious|Anticipation|Hydration}}
{{ability/entry|413|Wormadam|Bug|Grass|Anticipation|None|Overcoat|Plant Cloak}}
{{ability/entry|413G|Wormadam|Bug|Ground|Anticipation|None|Overcoat|Sandy Cloak}}
{{ability/entry|413S|Wormadam|Bug|Steel|Anticipation|None|Overcoat|Trash Cloak}}
{{ability/entry|453|Croagunk|Poison|Fighting|Anticipation|Dry Skin|Poison Touch}}
{{ability/entry|454|Toxicroak|Poison|Fighting|Anticipation|Dry Skin|Poison Touch}}
{{ability/entry|598|Ferrothorn|Grass|Steel|Iron Barbs|None|Anticipation}}
{{Ability/foot|Fighting}}

* In [[Generation V]] games, {{p|Ferrothorn}} has no Hidden Ability.

==In the anime==
{{moveanime|type=fighting|exp=yes|gen=The Pokémon predicts the movement of a stronger opponent.|image1=Brock Croagunk Anticipation.png|image1p=Croagunk}}
{{movep|type=fighting|ms=453|pkmn=Croagunk|method=Croagunk can sense when a strong opponent is nearby. It can also sense the opponent inside its own Poké Ball.}}
{{movebtm|type=fighting|user=Brock's Croagunk|startcode=DP096|startname=Losing Its Lustrous!|notes=Debut}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{movemanga|type=fighting|exp=yes|gen=The Pokémon predicts the movement of a stronger opponent.|image1=Saturn Croagunk Anticipation Adventures.png|image1p=Croagunk}}
{{movep|type=fighting|ms=453|pkmn=Croagunk|method=Croagunk can sense when an opponent is sneaking up behind it.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=fighting|user=Saturn's Toxicroak|user1=Saturn's Croagunk|startcode=PS352|startname=Crowded by Croagunk & Advanced on by Abra I|notes=Debut}}

===In the Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure! manga===
{{movemanga|type=fighting|exp=yes|gen=The Pokémon predicts the movement of a stronger opponent.|image1=Saturn Toxicroak Anticipation DPA.png|image1p=Toxicroak}}
{{movep|type=fighting|ms=454|pkmn=Toxicroak|method=Toxicroak can sense when an opponent is sneaking up behind it.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=fighting|user=Saturn's Toxicroak|startcode=DPA12|startname=A Battle With Wills|notes=Debut}}

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{fighting color}}|bordercolor={{fighting color dark}}
|zh_cmn=預知危險 ''Yùzhī Wēixiǎn''
|nl=Anticipatie
|fr=Anticipation
|de=Vorahnung
|it=Presagio
|pt=Antecipação
|es=Anticipación
|ko=위험예지 ''Wiheom Yeji''
|vi=Dự báo nguy hiểm
}}
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[[de:Vorahnung]]
[[fr:Anticipation]]
[[it:Presagio (abilità)]]
[[ja:きけんよち]]
[[pl:Anticipation]]
[[zh:危险预知（特性）]]

Trace (Ability)

2016-12-21T04:13:25Z

PartHunter: /* In battle */ Cannot copy Shields Down or Schooling. Had a Double Battle in the Battle Tree where the foe had Wishiwashi and Minior out when I Mega Evolved my Alakazam, and Trace didn't activate until the next turn, when their Raichu was sent out.

{{Redirect|Trace|the {{pkmn|anime}} character who sometimes goes by this nickname|Tracey Sketchit}}
{{AbilityInfobox
|name=Trace
|jpname=トレース
|jptranslit=Torēsu
|jptrans=Trace
|gen=3
|colorscheme=psychic
|text3=Copies special ability.
|text4=The Pokémon copies the foe's ability.
|text5=The Pokémon copies a foe's Ability.
|text6=The Pokémon copies an opposing Pokémon's Ability.
|text7=When it enters a battle, the Pokémon copies an opposing Pokémon's Ability.
}}
'''Trace''' (Japanese: '''トレース''' ''Trace'') is an [[Ability]] introduced in [[Generation III]].

==Effect==
===In battle===
Trace changes into the Ability of the opponent. Trace cannot copy Trace, {{a|Multitype}}, {{a|Illusion}}, {{a|Flower Gift}}, {{a|Imposter}}, {{a|Stance Change}}, {{a|Schooling}}, or {{a|Shields Down}}; however, Trace can copy {{a|Wonder Guard}}. In [[Double Battle|Double]] and [[Triple Battle]]s as well as [[Horde Encounter]]s, Trace will randomly copy an adjacent opponent's Ability.

If all opponents have Abilities that cannot be traced, then Trace will activate when next exposed to an opponent that has a traceable Ability.

===Outside of battle===
Trace has no effect outside of battle.

==={{g|Mystery Dungeon series}}===
Trace is only activated when the Pokémon is attacked, and one Ability chosen at random is copied.

==Pokémon with Trace==
{{Ability/head|Psychic}}
{{Ability/entry|065M|Alakazam|Psychic|Psychic|Trace|None|None|Mega Alakazam}}
{{Ability/entry|137|Porygon|Normal|Normal|Trace|Download|Analytic}}
{{Ability/entry|233|Porygon2|Normal|Normal|Trace|Download|Analytic}}
{{Ability/entry|280|Ralts|Psychic|Fairy|Synchronize|Trace|Telepathy}}
{{Ability/entry|281|Kirlia|Psychic|Fairy|Synchronize|Trace|Telepathy}}
{{Ability/entry|282|Gardevoir|Psychic|Fairy|Synchronize|Trace|Telepathy}}
{{Ability/foot|Psychic}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{Incomplete|2=Image of Diantha's Gardevoir activating the ability}}
{{movemanga|type=psychic|exp=no|gen=The user changes the opponent's Ability.}}
{{movep|type=psychic|ms=282|pkmn=Gardevoir|method=Gardevoir changes the opponent's Ability.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=psychic|user=Diantha's Gardevoir|startcode=X & Y chapter (Adventures)|startname=X & Y chapter|notes=Debut}}

* In {{FB|Pokémon Adventures|volume 23}}, [[Blue's Porygon2]] was revealed to have Trace as its Ability.

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{psychic color}}|bordercolor={{psychic color dark}}
|zh_cmn=追踪 ''Zhuīzōng''
|fr=Calque
|de=Fährte
|it=Traccia
|ko=트레이스 ''Trace''
|es=Rastro
|pt=Traçar
|tr=Kopyalama
|vi=Theo dấu
}}
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[[de:Fährte]]
[[fr:Calque]]
[[it:Traccia (abilità)]]
[[ja:トレース]]
[[pl:Trace (zdolność)]]
[[zh:复制（特性）]]

Talk:Gastro Acid (move)

2016-12-21T03:58:54Z

PartHunter: /* Fails on Disguise */ new section

==Effect on Steel-type==

Should we mentioned Gastro Acid also work on Steel-type despite as a Poison-type move? in my test, a wild {{p|Weepinbell}} can cancel my {{p|Magnezone}} 's ability.[[User:chungkingpun|chungkingpun]] 07:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
:Though it's long since this question was posed, since it wasn't answered... no. Sand-Attack works on Flying-types and Pokémon with Levitate. Seems the only immunity preserved for status moves is Ground to Electric. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:30, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
:: I've noted this on [[Damage modification]], as most status moves are exempt from type matchups altogether; Thunder Wave has always been one of the exceptions. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 19:16, 27 April 2011 (UTC)''

== Battle ==

Is it known for sure whether or not this move can hit your partner in a double or triple battle? '''[[User:LimeGreenCharizard|LimeGreen]]''[[User talk:LimeGreenCharizard|Charizard]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/LimeGreenCharizard|♂]] 12:33, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

== Slow Start? ==

:''"Furthermore, Gastro Acid does not negate Abilities that have an immediate effect at the start of the battle, such as {{a|Drizzle}}, because the Ability will activate before Gastro Acid can even be used."''

Well, {{a|Slow Start}} _is_ activated at the very beginning, yet it's still undone by Gastro Acid. --[[User:Det|Det]] ([[User talk:Det|talk]]) 11:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

== Works on Primal Kyogre/Groudon/Mega Rayquaza's Abilities ==

Oddly enough this move even seems to work on the Mega/Primal Evolutions of the Hoenn Legendary Trio in Pokemon Omega Ruby and Pokemon Alpha Sapphire (on the abilities Primordial Sea, Desolate Land, and Delta Stream, respectively). After these abilities are suppressed, the special weather conditions are immediately removed. I gotta say, while I was very surprised that it worked, it made catching Primal Kyogre SO much easier... --[[User:Ulithium Dragon|Ulithium Dragon]] ([[User talk:Ulithium Dragon|talk]]) 22:55, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I feel like the "Trivia" section should be amended to point out that this move works on legendary Pokemon's weather effect moves (I just tested and it works on the abilities from the X and Y pokemon (I don't feel like trying to spell THOSE names)), but I wanted to ask other people's thoughts first, since I've noticed the staff on here can be pretty fierce in making sure no non-relevant information gets put on the pages... --[[User:Ulithium Dragon|Ulithium Dragon]] ([[User talk:Ulithium Dragon|talk]]) 23:07, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

== Gastro Acid fails on Comatose. ==

I was about to add that this move fails on Comatose, but the page is protected. Can someone please add it in?[[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 21:49, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks, it's been added. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 02:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

== Gastro Acid does not affect the Schooling Ability ==

The page also needs to mention that Gastro Acid doesn't affect the Schooling ability, but the page is protected.
--[[User:Rithvikkiran|Rithvikkiran]] ([[User talk:Rithvikkiran|talk]]) 02:45, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks, it's been added. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 02:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

== Fails on Disguise ==

Gastro Acid fails if the target has Disguise. Someone needs to check if it works on Shields Down, and Full Metal Body, Shadow Shield and Prizm Armour should probably also be checked, as those three Abilities are not affected by Mold Breaker. Would edit for the Disguise part and add <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki>, but the page is still protected and I can't edit it. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 03:58, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Schooling (Ability)

2016-12-21T03:52:37Z

PartHunter: /* In battle */ Trace can't copy it. More Ability-copying and Ability-changing effects need to be checked, along with what happens if a Pokémon other than Wishiwashi gets it via Transform or Imposter.

{{AbilityInfobox
|name=Schooling
|jpname=ぎょぐん
|jptrans=School of Fish
|jptranslit=Gyogun
|colorscheme=Water
|gen=7
|text7=When it has a lot of HP, the Pokémon forms a powerful school. It stops schooling when its HP is low.
}}
'''Schooling''' (Japanese: '''ぎょぐん''' ''School of Fish'') is an [[Ability]] introduced in [[Generation VII]]. It is the [[signature Ability]] of {{p|Wishiwashi}} and allows it to change [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Wishiwashi|form]].

==Effect==
===In battle===
If Wishiwashi is level 20 or higher, at the start of battle or the end of a turn, if its HP is above 25% it will change into its School Form. At the end of the turn, if its HP is below 25%, it will change back to its Solo Form.

Schooling cannot be copied by {{a|Trace}} or affected by {{m|Worry Seed}}, {{m|Skill Swap}}, {{m|Entrainment}}, or {{m|Gastro Acid}}.

===Outside of battle===
It is unknown if Schooling has effect outside of battle.

==Pokémon with Schooling==
{{Ability/head|Water}}
{{Ability/entry|746|Wishiwashi|Water|Water|Schooling|None|None|Solo Form}}
{{Ability/entry|746Sc|Wishiwashi|Water|Water|Schooling|None|None|School Form}}
{{Ability/foot|Water}}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{Water color}}|bordercolor={{Water color dark}}
|zh_yue=魚群 ''{{tt|Yùhkwàhn|School of Fish}}''
|zh_cmn=魚群 / 鱼群 ''{{tt|Yúqún|School of Fish}}''
|fr=Banc
|de=Fischschwarm
|it=Banco
|ko=어군 ''Eogun''
|ru=Косяк ''Kosyak''
|pl=Ławica
|es=Banco
}}

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[[de:Fischschwarm]]
[[fr:Banc (talent)]]
[[it:Banco (abilità)]]
[[ja:ぎょぐん]]
[[zh:鱼群（特性）]]

Shields Down (Ability)

2016-12-21T03:37:32Z

PartHunter: /* Effect */ Added effects that change, suppress or duplicate Abilities to the incomplete template, except for Trace, which I can confirm cannot copy Shields Down. Also added returning from Core Form to Meteor Form with a status condition to the template.

{{AbilityInfobox
|name=Shields Down
|jpname=リミットシールド
|jptrans=Limit Shield
|jptranslit=Rimitto Shīrudo
|colorscheme=Rock
|gen=7
|text7=When its HP becomes half or less, the Pokémon's shell breaks and it becomes aggressive.
}}
'''Shields Down''' (Japanese: '''リミットシールド''' ''Limit Shield'') is an [[Ability]] introduced in [[Generation VII]]. It is the [[signature Ability]] of {{p|Minior}}.

==Effect==
{{incomplete|section|needs=Interaction with Mold Breaker/Turboblaze/Terravolt, Poison Touch Sunsteel Strike, Role Play, Gastro Acid, Simple Beam, Worry Seed, Entrainment, Skill Swap, Mummy and Pokémon other than Minior (via Transform/Imposter), what happens if it gets a status condition in Core Form, then restores HP and goes to Meteor Form}}
===In battle===
At the start of battle or at the end of a turn, if Minior's HP is above half, it will change into its Meteor Form. At the end of the turn, if its HP is below half, it will change back to its Core Form.

In Meteor Form, it has high {{stat|Defense}} and {{stat|Special Defense}} and cannot be afflicted by [[status condition]]s. In Core Form, it has high {{stat|Attack}}, {{stat|Special Attack}}, and {{stat|Speed}}.

Shields Down cannot be copied with {{a|Trace}}.

===Outside of battle===
It is unknown if Shields Down has an effect outside of battle.

==Pokémon with Shields Down==
{{Ability/head|Rock}}
{{Ability/entry|774|Minior|Rock|Flying|Shields Down|None|None|Meteor Form}}
{{Ability/entry|774R|Minior|Rock|Flying|Shields Down|None|None|Red Core}}
{{Ability/entry|774O|Minior|Rock|Flying|Shields Down|None|None|Orange Core}}
{{Ability/entry|774Y|Minior|Rock|Flying|Shields Down|None|None|Yellow Core}}
{{Ability/entry|774G|Minior|Rock|Flying|Shields Down|None|None|Green Core}}
{{Ability/entry|774B|Minior|Rock|Flying|Shields Down|None|None|Blue Core}}
{{Ability/entry|774I|Minior|Rock|Flying|Shields Down|None|None|Indigo Core}}
{{Ability/entry|774V|Minior|Rock|Flying|Shields Down|None|None|Violet Core}}
{{Ability/foot|Rock}}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{Rock color}}|bordercolor={{Rock color dark}}
|zh_yue=界限盾殼 ''{{tt|Gaaihaahn Téuhnhok|Limit Shield}}''
|zh_cmn=界限盾殼 / 界限盾壳 ''{{tt|Jièxiàn Dùnké|Limit Shield}}''
|fr=Bouclier-Carcan
|de=Limitschild
|it=Scudosoglia
|ko=리밋실드 ''Limit Shield''
|ru=Опущенные Щиты
|es=Escudo Limitado
}}

{{-}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Form-changing Abilities]]
[[Category:Abilities that prevent non-volatile status conditions]]

[[de:Limitschild]]
[[fr:Bouclier-Carcan]]
[[it:Scudosoglia (abilità)]]
[[ja:リミットシールド]]
[[zh:界限盾殼（特性）]]

Bottle Cap

2016-12-15T12:58:58Z

PartHunter: /* List of Bottle Caps */ The regular one can be found while fishing in some places, and the gold one from Isle Aphun. I have done these myself.

{{incomplete|2=Missing locations}}
A '''Bottle Cap''' (Japanese: '''おうかん''' ''Bottle Cap'') is an [[item]] collected by [[Mr. Hyper]], the man who conducts [[Hyper Training]]. Mr. Hyper takes Bottle Caps as payment for his Hyper Training services.

==List of Bottle Caps==
{{Item
|name=Bottle Cap
|jp=ぎんのおうかん
|jpt=Silver Bottle Cap
|gen=VII
|bag=Items
|sell=2500
|effect=Can be traded to [[Mr. Hyper]] to maximize one of a Pokémon's {{IV}}s in [[Hyper Training]].
|descsm=A beautiful bottle cap that gives off a silver gleam. Some people are happy to receive one.
|locsm=[[Festival Plaza]] lottery stalls, held by Movie {{p|Magearna}} ({{pkmn2|event}}), [[Poni Gauntlet]] from [[Mina]], traded by Old Man in Festival Plaza Castle for 30 [[Shards]] of one color, pulled up instead of a Pokémon while [[fishing]] in some places.
}}

{{Item
|name=Gold Bottle Cap
|jp=きんのおうかん
|jpt=Gold Bottle Cap
|gen=VII
|bag=Items
|sell=5000
|effect=Can be traded to [[Mr. Hyper]] to maximize all of a Pokémon's {{IV}}s in [[Hyper Training]].
|descsm=A beautiful bottle cap that gives off a golden gleam. Some people are happy to receive one.
|locsm=[[Festival Plaza]] lottery stalls, [[Poké Pelago]] (Isle Aphun - Rare-Treasure Hunting), Guidebook serial code (Japanese {{pkmn2|event}})
}}

==Artwork==
This is the artwork of the Bottle Caps on the [[Pokémon Global Link]]:
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{black color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{black color}}"
|-
| width="160px" style="background: #{{silver color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Bottle Cap Sprite.png]]
| width="160px" style="background: #{{gold color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" | [[File:Dream Gold Bottle Cap Sprite.png|55px]]
|-
| style="background: #{{silver color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{silver color dark}}|Bottle Cap}}
| style="background: #{{gold color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}" | {{color|{{gold color dark}}|Gold Bottle Cap}}
|}{{-}}

==Trivia==
* The Japanese name of おうかん ''ōkan'' can mean "crown" or "bottle cap". The Korean and Chinese translations retain the "crown" meaning despite having different words for "bottle cap".

==In other languages==
{|
|- style="vertical-align:top"
|
''Bottle Cap''
{{langtable|color={{silver color light}}|bordercolor={{silver color}}
|zh_yue=銀色王冠 ''{{tt|Ngàhnsīk Wòhnggūn|Silver Crown}}''
|zh_cmn=銀色王冠 / 银色王冠 ''{{tt|Yínsè Wángguān|Silver Crown}}''
|fr=Capsule d'Argent
|de=Silberkronkorken
|it=Tappo d'argento
|ko=은왕관 ''{{tt|Eun Wanggwan|Silver Crown}}''
|ru=Колпачок от бутыль ''Kolpachok ot Butyl'''
|es=Chapa Plateada
}}
|
''Gold Bottle Cap''
{{langtable|color={{gold color light}}|bordercolor={{gold color}}
|zh_yue=金色王冠 ''{{tt|Gāmsīk Wòhnggūn|Gold Crown}}''
|zh_cmn=金色王冠 ''{{tt|Jīnsè Wángguān|Gold Crown}}''
|fr=Capsule d'Or
|de=Goldkronkorken
|it=Tappo d'oro
|ko=금왕관 ''{{tt|Geum Wanggwan|Gold Crown}}''
|es=Chapa Dorada
}}
|}

{{-}}
{{Items}} 
{{Project ItemDex notice}}

[[Category:Items]]

[[it:Tappo]]
[[zh:王冠]]

Poni Breaker Coast

2016-12-15T12:46:07Z

PartHunter: /* Fishing */ You can reel in Bottle Caps here. I have done so myself.

{{incomplete}}
{{Infobox location
|type=space
|location_name=Poni Breaker Coast
|japanese_name=ポニの{{tt|荒磯|あらいそ}}
|translated_name=Poni Reefy Coast
|location=South of [[Ancient Poni Path]]
|mapdesc=The southern coast of Poni Island, where rough waves pound mercilessly upon the shore.
|region=Alola
|generation={{gen|VII}}
}}
'''Poni Breaker Coast''' (Japanese: '''ポニの{{tt|荒磯|あらいそ}}''' ''Poni Reefy Coast'') is a location on [[Poni Island]] in [[Alola]], connecting to the [[Ancient Poni Path]] in the north and the [[Ruins of Hope]] in the east.

==Geography==

==Items==
{{Itlisth|space}}
{{Itemlist|Calcium|By a rock on the north side of the pool of water in the southeast ''(hidden)''|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{DL|Vitamin|Calcium}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Water VI|From {{tc|Swimmer Girls}} Kylie and Ashlyn after defeating them, after becoming Champion|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{TM|98|Waterfall}}}}
{{Itemlist|TM Water VI|From Swimmer Girls Kylie and Ashlyn after defeating them, after becoming Champion|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{TM|94|Surf}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|space}}

===Fishing===
Sometimes when [[fishing]], an item will be reeled in instead of a Pokémon.
{{Itlisth|space}}
{{Itemlist|Pearl|Randomly reeled in when fishing|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{DL|Valuable item|Pearl}}}}
{{Itemlist|Sticky Barb|Randomly reeled in when fishing|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{DL|In-battle effect item|Sticky Barb}}}}
{{Itemlist|Bottle Cap|Randomly reeled in when fishing|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{DL|Bottle Cap|Bottle Cap}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|space}}

===Zygarde Cube===
{{Itlisth|space}}
{{Itemlist||sprite=Key Zygarde Cell Sprite|size=40px|On the east side of the geyser in the north{{sup/t|D}}|Su=yes|M=yes|display=[[Zygarde Cube|Zygarde Cell]]}}
{{Itemlist||sprite=Key Zygarde Cell Sprite|size=40px|In the east, just north of the [[Ruins of Hope]] entrance{{sup/t|N}}|Su=yes|M=yes|display=[[Zygarde Cube|Zygarde Cell]]}}
{{Itlistfoot|space}}

==Pokémon==
{{Catch/header/7|space}}
{{Catch/entry7|767|Wimpod|yes|yes|Chase|40-43|all=100%|type1=Bug|type2=Water}}
{{Catch/div|ocean|Fishing}}
{{Catch/entry7|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish|10-43|all=79%|type1=Water|allies={{MS|129}} {{pcolor|Magikarp|000}} {{MS|130}} {{pcolor|Gyarados|000}}}}
{{Catch/entry7|319|Sharpedo|yes|yes|Fish|10-43|all=1%|type1=Water|type2=Dark}}
{{Catch/entry7|320|Wailmer|yes|yes|Fish|10-43|all=20%|type1=Water|allies={{MS|320}} {{pcolor|Wailmer|000}} {{MS|321}} {{pcolor|Wailord|000}}}}
{{Catch/div|ocean|Fishing at the bubbling spot}}
{{Catch/entry7|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|Fish|10-43|all=50%|type1=Water|allies={{MS|129}} {{pcolor|Magikarp|000}} {{MS|130}} {{pcolor|Gyarados|000}}}}
{{Catch/entry7|319|Sharpedo|yes|yes|Fish|10-43|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Dark}}
{{Catch/entry7|320|Wailmer|yes|yes|Fish|10-43|all=40%|type1=Water|allies={{MS|320}} {{pcolor|Wailmer|000}} {{MS|321}} {{pcolor|Wailord|000}}}}
{{Catch/footer|space}}

==Trainers==
{{trainerheader|space}}
{{Trainerentry|VSSightseer F SM.png{{!}}150px|Sightseer|Jamie|2,580|4|027|Sandshrew|♀|43|None|074|Geodude|♀|43|None|037|Vulpix|♀|43|None|075|Graveler|♀|43|None|36=イズミ|37=Izumi}}
{{trainerdiv|space|After becoming {{color2|fff|Pokémon Champion|Champion}}}}
{{Trainerentry|VSSwimmer Girls SM.png{{!}}150px|Swimmer Girls|Kylie and Ashlyn|2,160|2|457|Lumineon|♀|45|None|171|Lanturn|♀|45|None|36=ウズとシオ|37=Uzu and Shio}}
{{trainerfooter|space|7}}

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|space}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|space}}
|zh_yue=波尼鼓浪岩岸 ''{{tt|Bōnèih Gúlòhng Ngàahmngohn|Poni Wave-beaten Rocky Shore}}''
|zh_cmn=波尼鼓浪岩岸 ''{{tt|Bōní Gǔlàng Yán'àn|Poni Wave-beaten Rocky Shore}}''
|fr=Récif de Poni
|de=Felsenküste von Poni
|it=Scogliera di Poni
|ko=포니의 거친 해안 ''Poni-ui Geochin Haean''
|es=Arrecife de Poni
}}

{{Alola}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Sun and Moon locations]]
[[Category:Beaches]]

SOS Battle

2016-12-05T06:30:14Z

PartHunter: /* Weather-dependent allies */ Politoed is definitely only at night. I scanned the dex QR for one, and then checked the dex. It said night only.

[[File:SM Prerelease SOS Battle call.png||220px|thumb|Calling for an ally in an SOS Battle]]
[[File:SM Prerelease SOS Battle.png|220px|thumb|An ally appearing in an SOS Battle]]
An '''SOS Battle''' (Japanese: '''乱入バトル''' ''Intruder Battle'') is a type of [[Pokémon battle]] in the [[Generation VII]] games, introduced in {{g|Sun and Moon}}. An SOS Battle is a battle where a [[wild Pokémon]] calls out to allies for help, turning a normal one-on-one wild battle into a two-on-one battle. Once the player clears the first trial with [[Ilima]] at [[Verdant Cavern]], any battle with a wild Pokémon can turn into an SOS Battle. All [[Totem Pokémon]] also battle the player in SOS Battles.

In a battle with a wild Pokémon, at the end of both Pokémon's turns, there is a random chance that the wild Pokémon may call for help. Sometimes no ally will show up in response to a call. Most Pokémon can summon allies of the same [[Pokémon (species)|species]], but some can summon other Pokémon in their [[List of Pokémon by evolution family|family]], and some can summon other unrelated Pokémon.

It is possible to increase the chances of a Pokémon calling an ally by sending out a Pokémon with {{a|Intimidate}} as its Ability or by using an Adrenaline Orb.

==SOS Battle allies==
The list below describes all Pokémon that can summon allies that are not their species. These allies are called randomly. Any Pokémon not listed below can only summon allies of the same species as itself.
{{-}}
{| class="roundy" style="margin: auto; background: #{{attack color}}; border: 3px solid #{{attack color dark}}"
! style="background:#{{attack color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | #
! style="background:#{{attack color light}}" |
! style="background:#{{attack color light}}" | Pokémon
! colspan=3 style="background:#{{attack color light}}" | Possible allies
! style="background:#{{attack color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Notes
|- style="background: #fff"
| 010 || {{MS|010}} || {{p|Caterpie}} || {{MS|010}} {{p|Caterpie}} || {{MS|012}} {{p|Butterfree}} || || Anywhere but {{rt|1|Alola}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 011 || {{MS|011}} || {{p|Metapod}} || {{MS|010}} {{p|Caterpie}} || || || Only on {{rt|1|Alola}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 011 || {{MS|011}} || {{p|Metapod}} || {{MS|010}} {{p|Caterpie}} || {{MS|012}} {{p|Butterfree}} || || Anywhere but {{rt|1|Alola}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 042 || {{MS|042}} || {{p|Golbat}} || {{MS|042}} {{p|Golbat}} || {{MS|169}} {{p|Crobat}} || || Only in [[Resolution Cave]]
|- style="background: #fff"
| 073 || {{MS|073}} || {{p|Tentacruel}} || {{MS|073}} {{p|Tentacruel}} || {{MS|457}} {{p|Lumineon}} || || Some encounters at [[Poni Wilds]]
|- style="background: #fff"
| 079 || {{MS|079}} || {{p|Slowpoke}} || {{MS|079}} {{p|Slowpoke}} || {{MS|080}} {{p|Slowbro}} || || Only at [[Kala'e Bay]]
|- style="background: #fff"
| 093 || {{MS|093}} || {{p|Haunter}} || {{MS|093}} {{p|Haunter}} || {{MS|094}} {{p|Gengar}} || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 104 || {{MS|104}} || {{p|Cubone}} || {{MS|104}} {{p|Cubone}} || {{MS|115}} {{p|Kangaskhan}} || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 118 || {{MS|118}} || {{p|Goldeen}} || {{MS|118}} {{p|Goldeen}} || {{MS|119}} {{p|Seaking}} || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 120 || {{MS|120}} || {{p|Staryu}} || {{MS|120}} {{p|Staryu}} || {{MS|121}} {{p|Starmie}} || || Only on {{rt|7|Alola}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 128 || {{MS|128}} || {{p|Tauros}} || {{MS|128}} {{p|Tauros}} || {{MS|241}} {{p|Miltank}} || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 129 || {{MS|129}} || {{p|Magikarp}} || {{MS|129}} {{p|Magikarp}} || {{MS|130}} {{p|Gyarados}} || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 133 || {{MS|133}} || {{p|Eevee}} || {{MS|133}} {{p|Eevee}} || {{MS|196}} {{p|Espeon}} || || Only during the day
|- style="background: #fff"
| 133 || {{MS|133}} || {{p|Eevee}} || {{MS|133}} {{p|Eevee}} || {{MS|197}} {{p|Umbreon}} || || Only during the night
|- style="background: #fff"
| 147 || {{MS|147}} || {{p|Dratini}} || {{MS|147}} {{p|Dratini}} || {{MS|148}} {{p|Dragonair}} || || Anywhere but [[Poni Gauntlet]]
|- style="background: #fff"
| 147 || {{MS|147}} || {{p|Dratini}} || {{MS|147}} {{p|Dratini}} || {{MS|148}} {{p|Dragonair}} || {{MS|149}} {{p|Dragonite}} || Only at [[Poni Gauntlet]]
|- style="background: #fff"
| 172 || {{MS|172}} || {{p|Pichu}} || {{MS|172}} {{p|Pichu}} || {{MS|025}} {{p|Pikachu}} || {{MS|440}} {{p|Happiny}} ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 173 || {{MS|173}} || {{p|Cleffa}} || {{MS|173}} {{p|Cleffa}} || {{MS|035}} {{p|Clefairy}} || {{MS|113}} {{p|Chansey}} ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 174 || {{MS|174}} || {{p|Igglybuff}} || {{MS|174}} {{p|Igglybuff}} || {{MS|039}} {{p|Jigglypuff}} || {{MS|440}} {{p|Happiny}} ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 222 || {{MS|222}} || {{p|Corsola}} || {{MS|222}} {{p|Corsola}} || {{MS|747}} {{p|Mareanie}} || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 239 || {{MS|239}} || {{p|Elekid}} || {{MS|239}} {{p|Elekid}} || {{MS|125}} {{p|Electabuzz}} || {{MS|113}} {{p|Chansey}} ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 240 || {{MS|240}} || {{p|Magby}} || {{MS|240}} {{p|Magby}} || {{MS|126}} {{p|Magmar}} || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 241 || {{MS|241}} || {{p|Miltank}} || {{MS|241}} {{p|Miltank}} || {{MS|128}} {{p|Tauros}} || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 320 || {{MS|320}} || {{p|Wailmer}} || {{MS|320}} {{p|Wailmer}} || {{MS|321}} {{p|Wailord}} || || Only in fishing spots that also have Magikarp
|- style="background: #fff"
| 339 || {{MS|339}} || {{p|Barboach}} || {{MS|339}} {{p|Barboach}} || {{MS|340}} {{p|Whiscash}} || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 361 || {{MS|361}} || {{p|Snorunt}} || {{MS|361}} {{p|Snorunt}} || {{MS|362}} {{p|Glalie}} || || Only at [[Mount Lanakila]]
|- style="background: #fff"
| 371 || {{MS|371}} || {{p|Bagon}} || {{MS|371}} {{p|Bagon}} || {{MS|372}} {{p|Shelgon}} || || Only at [[Kala'e Bay]]
|- style="background: #fff"
| 371 || {{MS|371}} || {{p|Bagon}} || {{MS|371}} {{p|Bagon}} || {{MS|373}} {{p|Salamence}} || || Only on {{rt|3|Alola}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 438 || {{MS|438}} || {{p|Bonsly}} || {{MS|438}} {{p|Bonsly}} || {{MS|185}} {{p|Sudowoodo}} || {{MS|440}} {{p|Happiny}} ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 446 || {{MS|446}} || {{p|Munchlax}} || {{MS|446}} {{p|Munchlax}} || {{MS|143}} {{p|Snorlax}} || {{MS|440}} {{p|Happiny}} ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 447 || {{MS|447}} || {{p|Riolu}} || {{MS|447}} {{p|Riolu}} || {{MS|448}} {{p|Lucario}} || {{MS|113}} {{p|Chansey}} ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 551 || {{MS|551}} || {{p|Sandile}} || {{MS|551}} {{p|Sandile}} || {{MS|444}} {{p|Gabite}} || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 568 || {{MS|568}} || {{p|Trubbish}} || {{MS|568}} {{p|Trubbish}} || {{MS|569}} {{p|Garbodor}} || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 674 || {{MS|674}} || {{p|Pancham}} || {{MS|674}} {{p|Pancham}} || {{MS|675}} {{p|Pangoro}} || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 703 || {{MS|703}} || {{p|Carbink}} || {{MS|703}} {{p|Carbink}} || {{MS|302}} {{p|Sableye}} || || Only in the same places {{p|Diglett}} or {{p|Dugtrio}} can be encountered
|- style="background: #fff"
| 732 || {{MS|732}} || {{p|Trumbeak}} || {{MS|731}} {{p|Pikipek}} || || || Only on {{rt|8|Alola}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 765 || {{MS|765}} || {{p|Oranguru}} || {{MS|732}} {{p|Trumbeak}} || || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 766 || {{MS|766}} || {{p|Passimian}} || {{MS|732}} {{p|Trumbeak}} || || ||
|- style="background: #fff"
| 782 || {{MS|782}} || {{p|Jangmo-o}} || {{MS|783}} {{p|Hakamo-o}} || {{MS|784}} {{p|Kommo-o}} || ||
|}

===Weather-dependent allies===
{{incomplete|section|Is Politoed available in both Sun and Moon? And only at night, or day (or any time)? Complete Castform weathers}}
In certain locations, when Pokémon call for allies, a special ally may appear if there is a [[weather]] condition in effect in the battle.
{| class="roundy" style="margin: auto; background: #{{attack color}}; border: 3px solid #{{attack color dark}}"
! style="background:#{{attack color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Location
! style="background:#{{attack color light}}" | Weather
! style="background:#{{attack color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Special ally
|- style="background: #fff"
| rowspan=2 | [[Lush Jungle]]
| {{weather|Rain}}
| {{MS|704}} {{p|Goomy}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| ''Unknown''
| {{MS|351}} {{p|Castform}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| rowspan=4 | [[Malie Garden]]
| rowspan=3 | {{weather|Rain}}
| {{MS|061}} {{p|Poliwhirl}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{MS|062}} {{p|Poliwrath}}{{sup/t|D}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{MS|186}} {{p|Politoed}}{{sup/t|N}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{weather|Hail}}
| {{MS|351}} {{p|Castform}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| rowspan=2 | [[Tapu Village]]
| {{weather|Hail}}
| {{MS|582}} {{p|Vanillite}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| ''Unknown''
| {{MS|351}} {{p|Castform}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| rowspan=2 | {{rt|17|Alola}}
| {{weather|Rain}}
| {{MS|704}} {{p|Goomy}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| ''Unknown''
| {{MS|351}} {{p|Castform}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| rowspan=2 | [[Haina Desert]]
| {{weather|Sandstorm}}
| {{MS|444}} {{p|Gabite}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| {{weather|Rain}}, {{weather|Hail}}
| {{MS|351}} {{p|Castform}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| rowspan=2 | [[Exeggutor Island]]
| {{weather|Rain}}
| {{MS|705}} {{p|Sliggoo}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| ''Unknown''
| {{MS|351}} {{p|Castform}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| rowspan=2 | [[Mount Lanakila]]
| {{weather|Hail}}
| {{MS|583}} {{p|Vanillish}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| ''Unknown''
| {{MS|351}} {{p|Castform}}
|}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{attack color}}|bordercolor={{attack color dark}}
|zh_yue=闖入對戰 ''{{tt|Chóngyahp Deuijin|Intruder Battle}}''
|zh_cmn=闖入對戰 / 闯入对战 ''{{tt|Chuǎngrù Duìzhàn|Intruder Battle}}''
|nl=SOS-gevechten

|de=Quereinsteiger-Kampf

|ko=난입배틀 ''Nan-ip Baeteul''
|pt=Batalha SOS
|ru=Сражение SOS ''Srazheniye SOS''

}}

{{-}}
{{battle}} 
{{Project Games notice|game mechanic}}

[[Category:Terminology]]
[[Category:Game mechanics]]

[[zh:闖入對戰]]

Version-exclusive moves

2016-12-05T02:08:28Z

PartHunter: /* Generation VI */ Note below the table that Hyperspace Fury can only be learned in ORAS, but only by an event-exclusive Pokemon, and that the ORAS-only new moves are not in X and Y and prevent pokemon from going to X and Y.

{{unknown name}}
{{incomplete}}
'''Game-exclusive moves''' are moves that are only available in one or two games in a single [[generation]]. They are often the [[signature move]]s of [[game-exclusive Pokémon]].

This list does not take into account the fact that the following moves could be {{m|Sketch}}ed, used via {{m|Metronome}}, or obtained from {{pkmn2|event}}s. This list does not include [[Shadow move]]s, which, with the exception of {{m|Shadow Rush}}, are all exclusive to {{Pokémon XD}}. This also does not include moves of Pokémon who cannot be obtained in-game in any game within the generation, such as {{p|Deoxys}} during [[Generation IV]] and {{gen|V}}.

==List of game-exclusive moves==
===Generation I===
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{TMs and HMs color}}; width:100%; text-align:center"
! colspan="3" | Move
! width="15%" | Game
! Pokémon that learn the move
|- style="background: #fff"
| width="24px" | 041
| width="24px" | {{bag|TM Bug}}
| width="15%" | {{m|Twineedle}}
| {{gameabbrev1|RGB}}
| {{p|Beedrill}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 080
| {{bag|TM Grass}}
| {{m|Petal Dance}}
| {{gameabbrev1|R}}{{gameabbrev1|JB}}{{gameabbrev1|Y}} (Japan) {{gameabbrev1|R}}{{gameabbrev1|Y}} (Int.)
| {{p|Oddish}}, {{p|Gloom}}, and {{p|Vileplume}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 134
| {{bag|TM Psychic}}
| {{m|Kinesis}}
| {{gameabbrev1|Y}}
| {{p|Kadabra}} and {{p|Alakazam}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 137
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Glare}}
| {{gameabbrev1|R}}
| {{p|Ekans}} and {{p|Arbok}}
|-
| colspan="4" style="height:5px" |
|}

===Generation II===
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{TMs and HMs color}}; width:100%; text-align:center"
! colspan="3" | Move
! width="15%" | Game
! Pokémon that learn the move
|- style="background: #fff"
| width="24px" | 006
| width="24px" | {{bag|TM Normal}}
| width="15%" | {{m|Pay Day}}
| {{gameabbrev2|S}}{{gameabbrev2|C}}
| {{p|Meowth}} and {{p|Persian}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 169
| {{bag|TM Bug}}
| {{m|Spider Web}}
| {{gameabbrev2|G}}{{gameabbrev2|C}}
| {{p|Spinarak}} and {{p|Ariados}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 177
| {{bag|TM Flying}}
| {{m|Aeroblast}}
| {{gameabbrev2|S}}
| {{p|Lugia}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 217
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Present}}
| {{gameabbrev2|S}}{{gameabbrev2|C}}
| {{p|Delibird}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 221
| {{bag|TM Fire}}
| {{m|Sacred Fire}}
| {{gameabbrev2|G}}
| {{p|Ho-Oh}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 245
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|ExtremeSpeed}}
| {{gameabbrev2|G}}{{gameabbrev2|C}}
| {{p|Arcanine}}
|-
| colspan="4" style="height:5px" |
|}

===Generation III===
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{TMs and HMs color}}; width:100%; text-align:center"
! colspan="3" | Move
! width="15%" | Game
! Pokémon that learn the move
|- style="background: #fff"
| width="24px" | 006
| width="24px" | {{bag|TM Normal}}
| width="15%" | {{m|Pay Day}}
| {{gameabbrev3|E}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}{{gameabbrevss|XD}}
| {{p|Meowth}} and {{p|Persian}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 144
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Transform}}
| {{gameabbrev3|E}}{{gameabbrev3|FRLG}}
| {{p|Ditto}} and {{p|Mew}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 251
| {{bag|TM Dark}}
| {{m|Beat Up}}
| {{gameabbrev3|LG}}{{gameabbrevss|Colo}}
| {{p|Sneasel}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 291
| {{bag|TM Water}}
| {{m|Dive}}
| {{gameabbrev3|RSE}}
| {{tt|*|learned exclusively via HM08}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 306
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Crush Claw}}
| {{gameabbrev3|Ru}}{{gameabbrevss|XD}}
| {{p|Zangoose}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 326
| {{bag|TM Psychic}}
| {{m|Extrasensory}}
| {{gameabbrev3|Ru}}{{gameabbrev3|E}}{{gameabbrevss|XD}}
| {{p|Nuzleaf}} and {{p|Shiftry}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 342
| {{bag|TM Poison}}
| {{m|Poison Tail}}
| {{gameabbrev3|Sa}}{{gameabbrev3|E}}
| {{p|Seviper}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 344
| {{bag|TM Electric}}
| {{m|Volt Tackle}}
| {{gameabbrev3|E}}
| {{p|Pichu}}, {{p|Pikachu}}, and {{p|Raichu}}
|-
| colspan="4" style="height:5px" |
|}

===Generation IV===
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{TMs and HMs color}}; width:100%; text-align:center"
! colspan="3" | Move
! width="15%" | Game
! Pokémon that learn the move
|- style="background: #fff"
| width="24px" | 169
| width="24px" | {{bag|TM Bug}}
| width="15%" | {{m|Spider Web}}
| {{gameabbrev4|DPPt}}{{gameabbrev4|HG}}
| {{p|Spinarak}} and {{p|Ariados}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 177
| {{bag|TM Flying}}
| {{m|Aeroblast}}
| {{gameabbrev4|HGSS}}
| {{p|Lugia}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 217
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Present}}
| {{gameabbrev4|DPPt}}{{gameabbrev4|SS}}
| {{p|Delibird}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 221
| {{bag|TM Fire}}
| {{m|Sacred Fire}}
| {{gameabbrev4|HGSS}}
| {{p|Ho-Oh}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 432
| {{bag|TM Flying}}
| {{m|Defog}}
| {{gameabbrev4|DPPt}}
| {{tt|*|learned exclusively via HM05}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 449
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Judgment}}
| {{gameabbrev4|DPPt}}
| {{p|Arceus}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 459
| {{bag|TM Dragon}}
| {{m|Roar of Time}}
| {{gameabbrev4|D}}{{gameabbrev4|Pt}}{{gameabbrev4|HGSS}}
| {{p|Dialga}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 460
| {{bag|TM Dragon}}
| {{m|Spacial Rend}}
| {{gameabbrev4|P}}{{gameabbrev4|Pt}}{{gameabbrev4|HGSS}}
| {{p|Palkia}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 461
| {{bag|TM Psychic}}
| {{m|Lunar Dance}}
| {{gameabbrev4|DPPt}}
| {{p|Cresselia}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 462
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Crush Grip}}
| {{gameabbrev4|DPPt}}
| {{p|Regigigas}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 463
| {{bag|TM Fire}}
| {{m|Magma Storm}}
| {{gameabbrev4|DPPt}}
| {{p|Heatran}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 464
| {{bag|TM Dark}}
| {{m|Dark Void}}
| {{gameabbrev4|DPPt}}
| {{p|Darkrai}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 465
| {{bag|TM Grass}}
| {{m|Seed Flare}}
| {{gameabbrev4|DPPt}}
| {{p|Shaymin}}
|-
| colspan="4" style="height:5px" |
|}

===Generation V===
{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{TMs and HMs color}}; width:100%; text-align:center"
! colspan="3" | Move
! width="15%" | Game
! Pokémon that learn the move
|- style="background: #fff"
| width="24px" | 6
| width="24px" | {{bag|TM Normal}}
| width="15%" | {{m|Pay Day}}
| {{gameabbrev5|B2W2}}
| {{p|Meowth}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 25
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Mega Kick}}
| {{gameabbrev5|BW}}
| {{p|Hitmonlee}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 27
| {{bag|TM Fighting}}
| {{m|Rolling Kick}}
| {{gameabbrev5|BW}}
| {{p|Hitmonlee}} and {{p|Hitmontop}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 125
| {{bag|TM Ground}}
| {{m|Bone Club}}
| {{gameabbrev5|BW}}
| {{p|Cubone}} and {{p|Marowak}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 134
| {{bag|TM Psychic}}
| {{m|Kinesis}}
| {{gameabbrev5|W}}{{gameabbrev5|B2W2}}
| {{p|Kadabra}} and {{p|Alakazam}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 135
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Softboiled}}
| {{gameabbrev5|W}}
| {{p|Chansey}} and {{p|Blissey}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 140
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Barrage}}
| {{gameabbrev5|BW}}
| {{p|Exeggcute}} and {{p|Exeggutor}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 142
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Lovely Kiss}}
| {{gameabbrev5|BW}}
| {{p|Jynx}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 155
| {{bag|TM Ground}}
| {{m|Bonemerang}}
| {{gameabbrev5|BW}}
| {{p|Cubone}} and {{p|Marowak}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 166
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Sketch}}
| {{gameabbrev5|BW}}
| {{p|Smeargle}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 167
| {{bag|TM Fighting}}
| {{m|Triple Kick}}
| {{gameabbrev5|BW}}
| {{p|Hitmontop}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 160
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Conversion}}
| {{gameabbrev5|W}}
| {{p|Porygon}}, {{p|Porygon2}}, and {{p|Porygon-Z}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 176
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Conversion 2}}
| {{gameabbrev5|W}}
| {{p|Porygon}}, {{p|Porygon2}}, and {{p|Porygon-Z}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 211
| {{bag|TM Steel}}
| {{m|Steel Wing}}
| {{gameabbrev5|B2W2}}
| {{p|Skarmory}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 265
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|SmellingSalt}}
| {{gameabbrev5|B2W2}}
| {{p|Makuhita}} and {{p|Hariyama}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 285
| {{bag|TM Psychic}}
| {{m|Skill Swap}}
| {{gameabbrev5|W}}{{gameabbrev5|B2W2}}
| Only {{p|Solosis}}, {{p|Duosion}}, and {{p|Reuniclus}} in White. Available by [[Move Tutor]] in Black 2 and White 2.
|- style="background: #fff"
| 295
| {{bag|TM Psychic}}
| {{m|Luster Purge}}
| {{gameabbrev5|B2}}
| {{p|Latios}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 296
| {{bag|TM Psychic}}
| {{m|Mist Ball}}
| {{gameabbrev5|W2}}
| {{p|Latias}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 448
| {{bag|TM Flying}}
| {{m|Chatter}}
| {{gameabbrev5|B2W2}}
| {{p|Chatot}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 461
| {{bag|TM Psychic}}
| {{m|Lunar Dance}}
| {{gameabbrev5|B2W2}}
| {{p|Cresselia}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 462
| {{bag|TM Normal}}
| {{m|Crush Grip}}
| {{gameabbrev5|B2W2}}
| {{p|Regigigas}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 550
| {{bag|TM Electric}}
| {{m|Bolt Strike}}
| {{gameabbrev5|W}}{{gameabbrev5|B2}}
| {{p|Zekrom}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 551
| {{bag|TM Fire}}
| {{m|Blue Flare}}
| {{gameabbrev5|B}}{{gameabbrev5|W2}}
| {{p|Reshiram}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 553
| {{bag|TM Ice}}
| {{m|Freeze Shock}}
| {{gameabbrev5|B2}}
| {{p|Black Kyurem}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 554
| {{bag|TM Ice}}
| {{m|Ice Burn}}
| {{gameabbrev5|W2}}
| {{p|White Kyurem}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 558
| {{bag|TM Fire}}
| {{m|Fusion Flare}}
| {{gameabbrev5|B}}{{gameabbrev5|W2}}
| {{p|Reshiram}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 559
| {{bag|TM Electric}}
| {{m|Fusion Bolt}}
| {{gameabbrev5|W}}{{gameabbrev5|B2}}
| {{p|Zekrom}}
|-
| colspan="4" style="height:5px" |
|}

===Generation VI===

{| class="roundy" style="background: #{{TMs and HMs color}}; width:100%; text-align:center"
! colspan="3" | Move
! width="15%" | Game
! Pokémon that learn the move
|- style="background: #fff"
| width="24px" | 160
| width="24px" | {{bag|TM Normal VI}}
| width="15%" | {{m|Conversion}}
| {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}
| {{p|Porygon}}, {{p|Porygon2}}, and {{p|Porygon-Z}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 176
| {{bag|TM Normal VI}}
| {{m|Conversion 2}}
| {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}
| {{p|Porygon}}, {{p|Porygon2}}, and {{p|Porygon-Z}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 177
| {{bag|TM Flying VI}}
| {{m|Aeroblast}}
| {{gameabbrev6|AS}}
| {{p|Lugia}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 221
| {{bag|TM Fire VI}}
| {{m|Sacred Fire}}
| {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}
| {{p|Entei}} and {{p|Ho-Oh}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 295
| {{bag|TM Psychic VI}}
| {{m|Luster Purge}}
| {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}
| {{p|Latios}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 296
| {{bag|TM Psychic VI}}
| {{m|Mist Ball}}
| {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}
| {{p|Latias}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 354
| {{bag|TM Psychic VI}}
| {{m|Psycho Boost}}
| {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}
| {{p|Deoxys}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 459
| {{bag|TM Dragon VI}}
| {{m|Roar of Time}}
| {{gameabbrev6|AS}}
| {{p|Dialga}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 460
| {{bag|TM Dragon VI}}
| {{m|Spacial Rend}}
| {{gameabbrev6|OR}}
| {{p|Palkia}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 461
| {{bag|TM Psychic VI}}
| {{m|Lunar Dance}}
| {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}
| {{p|Cresselia}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 462
| {{bag|TM Normal VI}}
| {{m|Crush Grip}}
| {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}
| {{p|Regigigas}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 467
| {{bag|TM Ghost VI}}
| {{m|Shadow Force}}
| {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}
| {{p|Giratina}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 463
| {{bag|TM Fire VI}}
| {{m|Magma Storm}}
| {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}
| {{p|Heatran}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 535
| {{bag|TM Fire VI}}
| {{m|Heat Crash}}
| {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}
| {{p|Tepig}}, {{p|Pignite}}, and {{p|Emboar}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 540
| {{bag|TM Psychic VI}}
| {{m|Psystrike}}
| {{gameabbrev6|XY}}
| {{p|Mewtwo}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 543
| {{bag|TM Normal VI}}
| {{m|Head Charge}}
| {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}
| {{p|Bouffalant}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 550
| {{bag|TM Electric VI}}
| {{m|Bolt Strike}}
| {{gameabbrev6|AS}}
| {{p|Zekrom}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 551
| {{bag|TM Fire VI}}
| {{m|Blue Flare}}
| {{gameabbrev6|OR}}
| {{p|Reshiram}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 553
| {{bag|TM Ice VI}}
| {{m|Freeze Shock}}
| {{gameabbrev6|AS}}
| {{p|Black Kyurem}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 554
| {{bag|TM Ice VI}}
| {{m|Ice Burn}}
| {{gameabbrev6|OR}}
| {{p|White Kyurem}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 558
| {{bag|TM Fire VI}}
| {{m|Fusion Flare}}
| {{gameabbrev6|OR}}
| {{p|Reshiram}}, {{p|White Kyurem}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 559
| {{bag|TM Electric VI}}
| {{m|Fusion Bolt}}
| {{gameabbrev6|AS}}
| {{p|Zekrom}}, {{p|Black Kyurem}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 561
| {{bag|TM Fighting VI}}
| {{m|Mat Block}}
| {{gameabbrev6|XY}}
| {{p|Greninja}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 567
| {{bag|TM Ghost VI}}
| {{m|Trick-or-Treat}}
| {{gameabbrev6|XY}}
| {{p|Pumpkaboo}} and {{p|Gourgeist}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 568
| {{bag|TM Normal VI}}
| {{m|Noble Roar}}
| {{gameabbrev6|XY}}
| {{p|Litleo}} and {{p|Pyroar}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 575
| {{bag|TM Dark VI}}
| {{m|Parting Shot}}
| {{gameabbrev6|XY}}
| {{p|Pancham}} and {{p|Pangoro}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 576
| {{bag|TM Dark VI}}
| {{m|Topsy-Turvy}}
| {{gameabbrev6|XY}}
| {{p|Inkay}} and {{p|Malamar}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 582
| {{bag|TM Electric VI}}
| {{m|Electrify}}
| {{gameabbrev6|XY}}
| {{p|Helioptile}} and {{p|Heliolisk}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 588
| {{bag|TM Steel VI}}
| {{m|King's Shield}}
| {{gameabbrev6|XY}}
| {{p|Aegislash}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 597
| {{bag|TM Fairy}}
| {{m|Aromatic Mist}}
| {{gameabbrev6|Y}}
| {{p|Aromatisse}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 600
| {{bag|TM Bug VI}}
| {{m|Powder}}
| {{gameabbrev6|XY}}
| {{p|Vivillon}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 601
| {{bag|TM Fairy}}
| {{m|Geomancy}}
| {{gameabbrev6|X}}
| {{p|Xerneas}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 613
| {{bag|TM Flying VI}}
| {{m|Oblivion Wing}}
| {{gameabbrev6|Y}}
| {{p|Yveltal}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 616
| {{bag|TM Ground VI}}
| {{m|Land's Wrath}}
| {{gameabbrev6|XY}}
| {{p|Zygarde}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 618
| {{bag|TM Water VI}}
| {{m|Origin Pulse}}
| {{gameabbrev6|AS}}
| {{p|Kyogre}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 619
| {{bag|TM Ground VI}}
| {{m|Precipice Blades}}
| {{gameabbrev6|OR}}
| {{p|Groudon}}
|- style="background: #fff"
| 620
| {{bag|TM Flying VI}}
| {{m|Dragon Ascent}}
| {{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}
| {{p|Rayquaza}}
|- style="background: #fff"
|-
| colspan="4" style="height:5px" |
|}

* {{m|Hyperspace Fury}} can only be learned in Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, but the only Pokémon able to do so, {{p|Hoopa}} [[List of Pokémon with form differences#Hoopa|Unbound]], is event-exclusive.
* Origin Pulse, Precipice BLades, Dragon Ascent and Hyperspace Fury are not programmed into Pokemon X and Y. As such, Pokémon which know these moves cannot be [[trade|traded]] to X and Y, cannot be used in a link battle against X and Y and cannot be withdrawn from [[Pokémon Bank]] to a copy of X or Y.

==See also==
*[[Game-exclusive Pokémon]]
*[[Signature move]]

{{-}}
{{Project Games notice|game mechanic}}

[[Category:Game mechanics]]
[[Category:Moves|*]]

Mismagius (Pokémon)

2016-12-03T12:59:22Z

PartHunter: /* By leveling up */ Changed to VII templates. Mismagius has no level-up moveset changes from ORAS. Got a level 55 one from the pelago, checked its full list and evolved a level 1 misdreavus with Toxic, which is not on the list.

{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Ghost}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Ghost|prevnum=428|prev=Lopunny|nextnum=430|next=Honchkrow}}
|}
{{Pokémon Infobox
|name=Mismagius
|jname=ムウマージ
|jtranslit=Mūmāji
|tmname=Mumargi
|ndex=429
|sdex=073
|adex=067
|abrow=221
|obrow=161
|opbrow=216
|type1=Ghost
|category=Magical
|height-ftin=2'11"
|height-m=0.9
|weight-lbs=9.7
|weight-kg=4.4
|abilitylayout=1
|ability1=Levitate
|egggroupn=1
|egggroup1=Amorphous
|eggcycles=25
|evtotal=2
|evsa=1
|evsd=1
|expyield=173
|oldexp=187
|lv100exp=800,000
|gendercode=127
|color=Purple
|catchrate=45
|body=01
|pokefordex=mismagius
|generation=4
|friendship=35
}}
'''Mismagius''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ムウマージ''' ''Mumargi'') is a {{type|Ghost}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolve]]s from {{p|Misdreavus}} when exposed to a {{evostone|Dusk Stone}}.

==Biology==
Mismagius is a purple, ghost-like Pokémon. It has a round head with elaborate tufts resembling a witch's hat atop it. The tips of the tufts are paler than most of the body. It has a thin, red mouth that resembles the letter "W." Below its head, Mismagius has a long neck with a round lump midway down. Three, elliptical red spheres surround the upper portion of Mismagius's body. There are extensions on the sides of its lower body with the foremost ones tattered compared to rear ones. This gives Mismagius the appearance of wearing some kind of cloak.

If it is powerful, Mismagius can use advanced incantations for various purposes, such as causing misery or happiness. People that hear its cries will usually receive headaches and hallucinations. As shown in [[DP043|the anime]], Mismagius can put its victims to sleep, and cause them to enter a strange dream world without their noticing. If Mismagius falls asleep or is knocked out, the victim will wake up.

==In the anime==
[[File:Mismagius BW135.png|thumb|left|220px|Mismagius in the {{pkmn|anime}}]]
===Major appearances===
Mismagius made its debut appearance in ''[[DP043|Malice In Wonderland!]]''.

A Mismagius made an appearance in ''[[DP086|Arriving in Style!]]'' competing in the [[Hearthome Collection]] under the ownership of [[Pokémon Stylist]] [[Cocoa]].

[[Fantina]] has a Mismagius that she used in a [[Contest Battle]] against [[Zoey]] and her {{TP|Zoey|Glameow}} in ''[[DP093|Playing The Leveling Field!]]''. It reappeared in ''[[DP101|Barry's Busting Out All Over!]]'' and again in ''[[DP102|A Shield with a Twist]]'', where it was used in the [[Gym]] {{pkmn|battle}} against {{Ash}}.

Zoey's Misdreavus was revealed to have evolved into a Mismagius in ''[[DP176|Coming Full-Festival Circle!]]'', where it was used in the semifinals of the [[Sinnoh Grand Festival]] along with Zoey's {{p|Leafeon}} to battle [[Nando]]'s {{TP|Nando|Kricketune}} and {{p|Lopunny}}.

A Mismagius is owned by the antagonist of ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]'', [[Grings Kodai]].

Two Mismagius appeared in ''[[BW135|Mystery on a Deserted Island!]].''

===Minor appearances===
===Pokédex entries===
{{Animedexheader|Sinnoh}}
{{Animedexbody|DP043|Mismagius |Dawn's Pokédex|Mismagius, the Magical Pokémon. Mismagius {{m|Lucky Chant|chants}} incantations, and while some cause misery, some give happiness as well.}}
{{Animedexfooter/Pokémon|''Diamond & Pearl''|Sinnoh}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Fantina Mismagius Adventures.png|thumb|150px|Mismagius in [[Pokémon Adventures]]]]
===In the Phantom Thief Pokémon 7 manga===
Mismagius was one of the Pokémon {{OBP|Lily|Pokémon 7}} used while with [[Team Galactic]].

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{adv|Platinum}} battled a Mismagius in her Gym battle against [[Fantina]] in [[PS372|Round 372]] and [[PS373|373]]. It was very powerful and shrewdly manipulative using its illusion attacks, and using {{m|Trick Room}} to use {{TP|Platinum|Empoleon}}'s speed against it, defeated both it and her {{TP|Platinum|Ponyta|Rapidash}} before {{adv|Diamond}}'s {{p|Munchlax}}, {{DL|Diamond (Adventures)|Lax}}, finally took it down at the last minute.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Mismagius (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex/Header|type=Ghost}}
{{Dex/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Diamond|entry=Its cries sound like incantations. Those hearing it are tormented by headaches and hallucinations.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Pearl|entry=It chants incantations. While they usually torment targets, some chants bring happiness.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Platinum|entry=Its cry sounds like incantation. It is said that the cry may rarely be imbued with happiness-giving power.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|entry=Its cries sound like incantations to torment the foe. It appears where you least expect it.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black|v2=White|t=FFF|entry=Its cry sounds like incantation. It is said that the cry may rarely be imbued with happiness-giving power.}}
{{Dex/Entry2|v=Black 2|v2=White 2|t=FFF|entry=Its cry sounds like an incantation. It is said that the cry may rarely be imbued with happiness-giving power.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=X|t=FFF|entry=It chants incantations. While they usually torment targets, some chants bring happiness.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Y|entry=Its cries sound like incantations to torment the foe. It appears where you least expect it.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Omega Ruby|t=FFF|entry=It chants incantations. While they usually torment targets, some chants bring happiness.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Alpha Sapphire|t=FFF|entry=Its cries sound like incantations to torment the foe. It appears where you least expect it.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Sun|entry=It appears as if from nowhere—muttering incantations, placing curses, and giving people terrifying visions.}}
{{Dex/Entry1|v=Moon|entry=Mismagius have been known to cast spells to make people fall in love, so some people search for this Pokémon as if their life depended on it.}}
|}
|}
{{Dex/Footer}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability/Header|type=Ghost}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Diamond}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Pearl|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Misdreavus}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Platinum}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=HeartGold|v2=SoulSilver|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Misdreavus}}}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry1/None|v=Black}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=White|area=[[Abundant Shrine]] ({{DL|Phenomenon|rustling grass}})}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=Black 2|v2=White 2}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry2/None|v=X|v2=Y}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Omega Ruby|v2=Alpha Sapphire|t=fff|t2=fff|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Misdreavus}}}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VII}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=Sun|v2=Moon|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Misdreavus}}}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

====In side games====
{{Availability/Header|type=Ghost}}
{{Availability/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=IV}}
{{Availability/Entry2|v=MD Time|v2=MD Darkness|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|area=Deep [[Dark Crater]] (B7-B14, Pit), [[Mt. Mistral]] (1F-19F)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=MD Sky|link=Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky|area=Deep [[Dark Crater]] (B7-B14, Pit), [[Mt. Mistral]] (1F-19F)}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger: SoA|link=Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia|color={{SoA color}}|area=[[Almia Castle]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Rumble|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Eternal Tower]]}}

{{Availability/Entry1|v=PokéPark Wii|link=PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure|color={{grass color}}|area=[[Haunted Zone]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|v=Ranger: GS|link=Pokémon Ranger: Guardian Signs|color={{GS color}}|area=[[Sky Fortress]], [[Light Temple]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=V}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble Blast|color={{fire color}}|area=Hauntyard: [[Everspring Valley]], [[World Axle - B1F]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Conquest|color={{silver color}}|area=[[Evolution|Evolve]] {{p|Misdreavus}}}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble U|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Wonder Area#Haunted Playland|Wonder Area: Haunted Playland]]}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Gen|gen=VI}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Battle Trozei|color={{defense color}}|area=[[Sky-High Ruins#Stage 1|Sky-High Ruins: Stage 1]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Shuffle|color={{beauty color}}|area=[[Castle Noapte|Castle Noapte: Stage 131]]}}
{{Availability/Entry1|1|v=Rumble World|color={{fire color}}|area=[[Legend Terrain#Tomb of Nightmares|Legend Terrain: Tomb of Nightmares]] (All Areas)}}
|}
|}
{{Availability/Footer}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats
|type=Ghost
|HP=60
|Attack=60
|Defense=60
|SpAtk=105
|SpDef=105
|Speed=105}}

====Pokéathlon stats====
{{Pokéthlon
|type=Ghost
|Speed=4
|SpeedMax=4
|Power=2
|PowerMax=2
|Technique=4
|TechniqueMax=5
|Stamina=2
|StaminaMax=3
|Jump=5
|JumpMax=5
}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{TypeEffectiveness
|type1=Ghost
|Normal= 0
|Fighting= 0
|Flying= 100
|Poison= 50
|Ground= 0
|Rock= 100
|Bug= 50
|Ghost= 200
|Steel= 100
|Fire= 100
|Water= 100
|Grass= 100
|Electric=100
|Psychic= 100
|Ice= 100
|Dragon= 100
|Dark= 200
|Fairy= 100
|notes=yes
|ghost=yes
|newnormal=1
|newfighting=1
|levitate=yes
|newground=1}}

===Learnset===
====By [[level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh/7|Mismagius|Ghost|Ghost|4|}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Mystical Fire|Fire|Special|65|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Power Gem|Rock|Special|80|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Phantom Force|Ghost|Physical|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Lucky Chant|Normal|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Magical Leaf|Grass|Special|60|—|20}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Growl|Normal|Status|—|100|40}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Psywave|Psychic|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Spite|Ghost|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level7|1|Astonish|Ghost|Physical|30|100|15}}
{{learnlist/levelf/7|Mismagius|Ghost|Ghost|4}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh/6|Mismagius|Ghost|Ghost|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM12|Taunt|Dark|Status|—|100|20|||Clever|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|||Cool|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|2|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM24|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|90|100|15|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM25|Thunder|Electric|Special|110|70|10|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|||Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10|||Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15||'''|Clever|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|||Cool|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM40|Aerial Ace|Flying|Physical|60|—|20|||Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM41|Torment|Dark|Status|—|100|15|||Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM46|Thief|Dark|Physical|60|100|25|||Tough|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15|||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|90|100|10|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM57|Charge Beam|Electric|Special|50|90|10|||Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM61|Will-O-Wisp|Fire|Status|—|85|15|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM63|Embargo|Dark|Status|—|100|15|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10|||Tough|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5|||Tough|4|4}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20|||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM73|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|||Cool|1|3}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM77|Psych Up|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15|||Clever|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM88|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|||Cute|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM92|Trick Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|5|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM94|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|{{sup/6|ORAS}}||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM97|Dark Pulse|Dark|Special|80|100|15|||Cool|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM99|Dazzling Gleam|Fairy|Special|80|100|10|||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tm6|TM100|Confide|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||Cute|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tmf/6|Mismagius|Ghost|Ghost|4}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh/6|Mismagius|Ghost|Ghost|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|092|Gastly}}{{MSP|093|Haunter}}{{MSP|094|Gengar}}{{MSP|353|Shuppet}}{{MSP|354|Banette}}{{MSP|355|Duskull}} {{MSP|356|Dusclops}}{{MSP|477|Dusknoir}}{{MSP|442|Spiritomb}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}}{{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}{{MSP|607|Litwick}} {{MSP|608|Lampent}}{{MSP|609|Chandelure}}{{MSP|708|Phantump}}{{MSP|709|Trevenant}}|Curse|Ghost|Status|—|—|10|||Tough|3|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|092|Gastly}}{{MSP|093|Haunter}}{{MSP|094|Gengar}}{{MSP|109|Koffing}}{{MSP|110|Weezing}}{{MSP|202|Wobbuffet}} {{MSP|562|Yamask}}{{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}{{MSP|708|Phantump}}{{MSP|709|Trevenant}}|Destiny Bond|Ghost|Status|—|—|5|||Clever|8|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|280|Ralts}}{{MSP|281|Kirlia}}{{MSP|282|Gardevoir}}{{MSP|475|Gallade}}{{MSP|607|Litwick}}{{MSP|608|Lampent}} {{MSP|609|Chandelure}}|Imprison|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|618|Stunfisk}}|Me First|Normal|Status|—|—|20|*||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|088|Grimer}}{{MSP|089|Muk}}{{MSP|109|Koffing}}{{MSP|110|Weezing}}{{MSP|442|Spiritomb}}{{MSP|607|Litwick}} {{MSP|608|Lampent}}{{MSP|609|Chandelure}}|Memento|Dark|Status|—|100|10|||Tough|8|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|442|Spiritomb}}|Nasty Plot|Dark|Status|—|—|20|||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|425|Drifloon}}{{MSP|426|Drifblim}}{{MSP|442|Spiritomb}}{{MSP|562|Yamask}}{{MSP|563|Cofagrigus}}{{MSP|592|Frillish}} {{MSP|593|Jellicent}}|Ominous Wind|Ghost|Special|60|100|5||'''|Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|088|Grimer}}{{MSP|089|Muk}}{{MSP|353|Shuppet}}{{MSP|354|Banette}}|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|353|Shuppet}}{{MSP|354|Banette}}{{MSP|355|Duskull}}{{MSP|356|Dusclops}}{{MSP|477|Dusknoir}}{{MSP|442|Spiritomb}} {{MSP|710|Pumpkaboo}}{{MSP|711|Gourgeist}}|Shadow Sneak|Ghost|Physical|40|100|30||'''|Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|577|Solosis}}{{MSP|578|Duosion}}{{MSP|579|Reuniclus}}|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|092|Gastly}}{{MSP|093|Haunter}}{{MSP|094|Gengar}}{{MSP|200|Misdreavus}}{{MSP|429|Mismagius}}{{MSP|353|Shuppet}} {{MSP|354|Banette}}{{MSP|442|Spiritomb}}|Spite|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|||Tough|2|1}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|092|Gastly}}{{MSP|093|Haunter}}{{MSP|094|Gengar}}{{MSP|353|Shuppet}}{{MSP|354|Banette}}{{MSP|442|Spiritomb}}|Sucker Punch|Dark|Physical|80|100|5|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/breed6|{{MSP|577|Solosis}}{{MSP|578|Duosion}}{{MSP|579|Reuniclus}}|Wonder Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/breedf/6|Mismagius|Ghost|Ghost|4}}

====By [[Move Tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh/6|Mismagius|Ghost|Ghost|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Foul Play|Dark|Physical|95|100|15|||no|yes|Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Heal Bell|Normal|Status|—|—|5|||no|yes|Beautiful|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes|Cool|2|2}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Magic Coat|Psychic|Status|—|—|15|||no|yes|Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Magic Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Pain Split|Normal|Status|—|—|20|||no|yes|Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|||no|yes|Cool|2|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Skill Swap|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snatch|Dark|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Snore|Normal|Special|50|100|15|||no|yes|Cute|4|0}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Spite|Ghost|Status|—|100|10|||no|yes|Tough|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Trick|Psychic|Status|—|100|10|||no|yes|Clever|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Uproar|Normal|Special|90|100|10|||no|yes|Cute|2|1}}
{{learnlist/tutor6|Wonder Room|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|||no|yes|Clever|3|0}}
{{learnlist/tutorf/6|Mismagius|Ghost|Ghost|4}}

====By a prior [[evolution]]====
{{learnlist/prevoh/6|Mismagius|Ghost|Ghost|4|xy=n}}
{{learnlist/prevo6|200|Misdreavus|||||Confuse Ray|Ghost|Status|—|100|10||Clever|2|1}}
{{learnlist/prevo6|200|Misdreavus|||||Mean Look|Normal|Status|—|—|5||Beautiful|2|0}}
{{learnlist/prevo6|200|Misdreavus|||||Hex|Ghost|Special|65|100|10|'''|Clever|2|1}}
{{learnlist/prevo6|200|Misdreavus|||||Psybeam|Psychic|Special|65|100|20||Beautiful|3|0}}
{{learnlist/prevo6|200|Misdreavus|||||Pain Split|Normal|Status|—|—|20||Clever|1|0}}
{{learnlist/prevo6|200|Misdreavus|||||Perish Song|Normal|Status|—|—|5||Beautiful|4|0}}
{{learnlist/prevo6|200|Misdreavus|||||Grudge|Ghost|Status|—|—|5||Tough|4|4}}
{{learnlist/prevof/6|Mismagius|Ghost|Ghost|4}}

===Side game data===
{{Spindata/Head|type=Ghost}}
{{Spindata/MDTDS|col=6|type=Ghost|ndex=429
|body=1
|rate=8.2%
|IQ=G
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Ranger SoA|col=6|type=Ghost
|group=Ghost
|assist=Ghost
|field=Psy Power
|fieldpower=3
|browser=It attacks by launching eerie orbs and orbs imbued with loathsome emotions.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Ranger GS|col=6|type=Ghost
|group=Ghost
|assist=Ghost
|field=Psy Power
|fieldpower=3
|browser=To attack, it spits out imbued orbs with loathsome emotions that make Pokémon Tired.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Rumble|col=3|type=Ghost
|att=4
|def=3
|speed=4
}}
{{Spindata/RumbleBlast|col=3|type=Ghost
|att=4
|def=3
|speed=4
}}
|-
{{Spindata/PokéPark|col=6|type=Ghost|ndex=429
|Pad=Mismagius spends her time in the [[Haunted Zone]], where she's a standout at {{DL|Attractions|Dusknoir's Speed Slam}}. She's also got a steady eye at {{DL|Attractions|Rotom's Spooky Shoot-'em-Up}}.
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Conquest|col=6|type=Ghost|ndex=429
|HP=2
|atk=3
|def=3
|spd=4
|range=3
|move=Shadow Ball
|ability1=Levitate
|evo=Evolves from {{p|Misdreavus}} when its [[link]] is improved while its [[Warrior]] is equipped with a {{evostone|Dusk Stone}}
|link={{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Jinpachi}}, '''[[Nō]]''', {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Tenkai}}, and {{DL|List of Pokémon Conquest characters|Tsuru}}
}}
|-
{{Spindata/Battle Trozei|col=3|type=Ghost|ndex=429
|power=3
}}
{{Spindata/Shuffle|col=3|type=Ghost|ndex=429|num=147
|min=60
|max=80
|raisemaxlevel=0
|skill=Astonish
|skilldesc=Can delay your opponent's disruptions for a turn.
}}
|}

===Evolution===
{{Evobox-2
|type1=Ghost
|pictype=art
|no1=200
|name1=Misdreavus
|type1-1=Ghost
|evo1={{bag|Dusk Stone}} {{color2|000|Dusk Stone}}
|no2=429
|name2=Mismagius
|type1-2=Ghost
}}

===Sprites===
{{Spritebox/Header|type=Ghost}}
{{Spritebox/NA|gen=IV}}
{{Spritebox/4|ndex=429}}
{{Spritebox/5|ndex=429}}
{{Spritebox/6|ndex=429}}
{{Spritebox/Footer|429|Mismagius}}

==Trivia==
* Mismagius's base HP, Attack, and Defense are all the same as {{p|Misdreavus}}'s, but its base Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed are higher.
* Mismagius does not appear in [[Johto]]'s [[Pokédex]] in {{v|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, despite Misdreavus being available before the [[Elite Four]] and the Dusk Stone being available as a [[Pokéathlon]] prize. This is also the case for {{p|Honchkrow}}.
** Both evolve by using a Dusk Stone, while the [[Generation IV]] Pokémon that evolve by learning a move do appear in the Johto Pokedex.
* Mismagius comes before {{p|Honchkrow}} in the Sinnoh Pokédex, but Mismagius's pre-evolution, Misdreavus, comes after Honchkrow's pre-evolution, {{p|Murkrow}}, in the Johto Pokédex.

===Origin===
Mismagius is based on the concept of mages, witches, magic, hallucinations, and {{wp|banshee}}s.

====Name origin====
Mismagius is a combination of ''mischief'' or ''mis'' (a Latin root meaning "bad") and ''{{wp|Magi in fantasy fiction and games|magus}}'' or ''magic''.

Mumargi is a combination of the words 夢魔 ''muma'' (nightmare) and ''{{wp|Magi in fantasy fiction and games|magi}}'' or ''mage''.

==In other languages==
{{Other languages|type=Ghost|type2=Ghost
|ja=ムウマージ ''Mumargi''|jameaning=From {{tt|夢魔 ''muma''|''nightmare'' or ''a demon in a dream''}}, ''magi'', and ''mage''
|fr=Magirêve|frmeaning=From ''{{tt|magie|magic}}'' and ''{{tt|rêve|dream}}''
|es=Mismagius|esmeaning=Same as English name
|de=Traunmagil|demeaning=From ''{{tt|Traum|dream}}'' and ''{{tt|Magie|magic}}''
|it=Mismagius|itmeaning=Same as English name
|ko=무우마직 ''Muumajik''|komeaning=Possibly from {{tt|무우마 ''Muuma''|Misdreavus}} and ''magic''
|zh_cmn=夢妖魔 / 梦妖魔 ''Mèngyāomó'' |zh_cmnmeaning=From {{tt|夢 ''mèng''|dream}}, {{tt|夢妖 ''Mèngyāo''|Misdreavus}}, {{tt|夢魔 ''mèngmó''|nightmare}}, and {{tt|妖魔 ''yāomó''|demon}}
|ru=Мисмагиус ''Mismagius''|rumeaning=Transcription of English name
}}
 

==External links==

{{-}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Head|type=Ghost}}
{{PokémonPrevNext/Pokémon|type=Ghost|prevnum=428|prev=Lopunny|nextnum=430|next=Honchkrow}}
|}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon with cross-generational evolutions]]

[[de:Traunmagil]]
[[fr:Magirêve]]
[[it:Mismagius]]
[[ja:ムウマージ]]
[[pl:Mismagius]]
[[zh:梦妖魔]]

Water Shuriken (move)

2016-12-03T10:36:10Z

PartHunter: /* Effect */ Specifically note that it is physical in VI.

{{MoveInfobox
|n=494
|name=Water Shuriken
|jname=みずしゅりけん
|jtrans=Water Shuriken
|jtranslit=Mizu Shuriken
|gameimage=Water Shuriken 2.png
|gameimage2=Water Shuriken 3.png
|gameimagewidth=300
|type=Water
|damagecategory=Special
|basepp=20
|maxpp=32
|power=15
|accuracy=100
|priority=+1
|gen=VI
|category6=Cool
|appeal6=3
|jam6=0
|cdesc6=Causes the user to move earlier on the next turn.
|touches=no
|protect=yes
|magiccoat=no
|snatch=no
|mirrormove=yes
|kingsrock=yes
|sound=no
|target=anyadjacent
}}

'''Water Shuriken''' (Japanese: '''みずしゅりけん''' ''Water Shuriken'') is a damage-dealing {{type|Water}} [[multi-strike move]] introduced in [[Generation VI]].

==Effect==
===Generation VI===
Water Shuriken is a [[physical move]] in this generation.

Water Shuriken deals damage and is an increased [[priority]] move, hitting the target 2-5 times per use. There is a ~33.3% chance that it will hit 2 times, a ~33.3% chance it will hit 3 times, a ~16.7% chance it will hit 4 times, and a ~16.7% chance it will hit 5 times. Provided that the move does not miss, it will hit ~3.167 times on average, giving it an average power of 47.5. Each strike made has an equal chance to be a [[critical hit]].

Water Shuriken may continue attacking after breaking a {{m|substitute}}. {{m|Bide}} and {{m|Counter}} will only acknowledge the last strike of this move.

If the target has {{a|Weak Armor}}, each strike will activate it.

If a {{DL|In-battle effect item|Focus Sash}}, {{DL|In-battle effect item|Focus Band}}, or {{a|Sturdy}} activates before the last strike is dealt, the following strike will cause the defending Pokémon to faint. A Focus Band can still activate repeatedly to prevent fainting, but each chance is independent of the previous one.

===Generation VII===
Water Shuriken's category was changed from [[physical move|physical]] to [[special move|special]].

Water Shuriken is powered up when {{a|Battle Bond}} is activated.

==Description==
{{movedesc|water}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev6|XYORAS}} {{gameabbrev7|SM}}|The user hits the target with throwing stars two to five times in a row. This move always goes first.}}
|}
|}

==Learnset==
===By [[Level|leveling up]]===
{{Movehead/Level|Water|6}}
{{Moveentry/2|617|Accelgor|1|Bug|Bug|1{{sup/6|ORAS}}|1}}
{{Moveentry/2|658|Greninja|1|Water 1|Water 1|36, 75|1|STAB='''}}
{{Movefoot|Water}}

==In the anime==
{{moveanime|type=water|exp=yes|gen=The user forms a shuriken of water from its hand, then tosses it at the opponent.|image1=Riot Greninja Water Shuriken.png|image1p=Riot's Greninja|image2=Sanpei Greninja Water Shuriken.png|image2p=Sanpei's Greninja|image3=Ash Greninja Water Shuriken.png|image3p=Ash's Greninja|image4=Ash Ash-Greninja Water Shuriken.png|image4p=Ash-Greninja}}
{{movep|type=water|ms=658|pkmn=Greninja|method=Greninja forms a shuriken of water in its hand. It then tosses the shuriken at the opponent.}}
{{movemid|type=water|user=Riot|user1=Riot's Greninja|startcode=M17|startname=Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction|notes=Debut}}
{{movemid|type=water|user=Sanpei's Greninja|startcode=XY052|startname=A Stealthy Challenge!}}
{{movemid|type=water|user=Ippei|user1=Ippei's Greninja|startcode=XY099|startname=The Legend of the Ninja Hero!}}
{{movemid|type=water|user=Ash's Greninja|startcode=XY100|startname=A Festival of Decisions!}}
{{movep|type=water|ms=658A|pkmn=Greninja|method=Ash-Greninja forms a shuriken of water in one or both its hands. It then tosses the shuriken at the opponent or it grabs the shuriken of water on its back when it is in its final form and throws it at the opponent and after it does so, another shuriken of water pops up on Ash-Greninja's back.}}
{{movebtm|type=water|user=Ash's Greninja|startcode=XY102|startname=Meeting at Terminus Cave!}}

==In the manga==
===In the movie adaptations===
{{movemanga|type=water|exp=yes|gen=The user forms a shuriken of water in its hand. It then tosses the shuriken at the opponent.|image1=Riot Greninja Water Shuriken M17 manga.png|image1p=Greninja}}
{{movep|type=water|ms=658|pkmn=Greninja|method= Greninja forms a shuriken of water in its hand. It then tosses the shuriken at the opponent.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=water|user=Riot|user1=Riot's Greninja|startcode=Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction (manga)|startname=Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction|notes=Debut}}

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{movemanga|type=water|exp=yes|gen=The user forms shurikens of water in its hands, then tosses them at the opponent.|image1=Croaky Water Shuriken.png|image1p=Greninja}}
{{movep|type=water|ms=658|pkmn=Greninja|method=Greninja forms multiple shurikens of water in its hands. It then tosses the shurikens at the opponent.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=water|user=Croaky|user1=Y's Croaky|startcode=PAXY32|notes=Debut}}

==In other games==
[[File:Greninja SSB4 Water Shuriken.png|thumb|250px|Greninja using Water Shuriken]]
===[[Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS/Wii U]]===
{{sbw|Water Shuriken}} appears as {{SSB|Greninja}}'s neutral special attack. It is a chargeable projectile. When fully charged, it slowly travels forward and hits multiple times, while if not charged at all it functions as a small fast projectile. Unlike other chargeable projectiles, it cannot be stored.

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{water color}}|bordercolor={{water color light}}
|zh_yue=飛水手裡劍 ''{{tt|Fēi Séui Sáuléuihgim|Flying Water Shuriken}}'' {{tt|*|Games}} 水手裏劍 ''{{tt|Séui Sáuléuihgim|Water Shuriken}}'' {{tt|*|Anime}} 水手裡劍 ''{{tt|Séui Sáuléuihgim|Water Shuriken}}'' {{tt|*|Movie (M17)}}
|zh_cmn=飛水手裡劍 / 飞水手里剑 ''{{tt|Fēi Shuǐ Shǒulǐjiàn|Flying Water Shuriken}}'' {{tt|*|Games}} 水手裏劍 ''{{tt|Shuǐ Shǒulǐjiàn|Water Shuriken}}'' {{tt|*|Anime}} 水手裡劍 ''{{tt|Shuǐ Shǒulǐjiàn|Water Shuriken}}'' {{tt|*|XY099 Trailer}}
|nl=Waterwerpster
|fr=Sheauriken
|de=Wasser-Shuriken
|it=Acqualame
|ko=물수리검 ''{{tt|Mul Surigeom|Water Shuriken}}''
|pl=Wodny Shuriken
|pt_br=Estrela Ninja de Água Estrela de Água ([[XY108]]{{tt|*|Second time}})
|pt_eu=Shuriken de Água
|ru=Водняный Сюрикен ''Vodnyanyy Syuriken''
|es=Shuriken de Agua
}}
{{-}}

{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Cool moves]]
[[Category:Increased priority moves]]
[[Category:Multi-strike moves]]

[[de:Wasser-Shuriken]]
[[fr:Sheauriken]]
[[it:Acqualame (mossa)]]
[[ja:みずしゅりけん]]
[[zh:飞水手里剑（招式）]]

Resolution Cave

2016-12-03T05:13:47Z

PartHunter: /* Items */ It is TM 26, not 76. The move in the TM was correct, but the number was wrong.

{{incomplete}}
{{Infobox location

|type=cave
|location_name=Resolution Cave
|japanese_name=エンドケイブ
|translated_name=End Cave
|location=Northwest of [[Poni Meadow]]
|mapdesc=A cave that leads deep, deep down under the ground. How it got the name "resolution" is not known.
|region=Alola
|generation={{gen|VII}}
}}

'''Resolution Cave''' (Japanese: '''エンドケイブ''' ''End Cave'') is a location on [[Poni Island]] in [[Alola]], located northwest of [[Poni Meadow]].

==Geography==

==Items==
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|TM Ground VI|East of {{tc|Backpacker}} Maria||Su=yes|M=yes|display={{TM|26|Earthquake}}}}
{{Itemlist|Elixir|Northwest corner of the exterior|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{DL|Ether|Elixir}}}}
{{Itemlist|Terrain Extender|North of {{tc|Hiker}} Travis|Su=yes|M=yes}}
{{Itemlist|Adrenaline Orb|Northwest branch of the interior|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{DL|In-battle effect item|Adrenaline Orb}}}}
{{Itemlist|Light Ball|Southwest branch of the interior|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{DL|Stat-enhancing item|Light Ball}}}}
{{Itemlist|Life Orb|Southeast branch of the interior|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{DL|In-battle effect item|Life Orb}}}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

=====Zygarde Cube=====
{{Itlisth|cave}}
{{Itemlist|Zygarde Cell|Right side of the Interior entrance{{sup/t|D}}|Su=yes|M=yes|display=[[Zygarde Cube|Zygarde Cell]]}}
{{Itemlist|Zygarde Cell|On the northern side of the cave|Su=yes|M=yes|display=[[Zygarde Cube|Zygarde Cell]]}}
{{Itemlist|Zygarde Cell|Next to the second rock north of the exit{{sup/t|N}}|Su=yes|M=yes|display=[[Zygarde Cube|Zygarde Cell]]}}
{{Itlistfoot|cave}}

==Pokémon==
{{Catch/header|cave|no}}
{{Catch/entry7|042|Golbat|yes|yes|Cave|54-57|all=70%|type1=Poison|type2=Flying|allies={{MS|042}} {{pcolor|Golbat|000}} {{MS|169}} {{pcolor|Crobat|000}}}}
{{Catch/entry7|051A|Dugtrio|yes|yes|Cave|54-57|all=30%|type1=Ground|type2=Steel}}
{{Catch/div|cave|Special Pokémon}}
{{Catch/entry7|799|Guzzlord|yes|yes|Cave|70|all=100%|type1=Dark|type2=Dragon}}
{{Catch/footer|cave}}

==Trainers==
{{Trainerheader|cave}}
{{Trainerdiv|cave|Exterior}}
{{Trainerentry|VSBackpacker F SM.png{{!}}150px|Backpacker|Maria||1|587|Emolga|♀|57||36=マリヤ|37=Maria}}
{{Trainerentry|VSHiker SM.png{{!}}150px|Hiker|Travis||2|051A|Dugtrio|♂|56||750|Mudsdale|♂|57||36=トウゴ|37=Tōgo}}
{{Trainerfooter|cave|7}}

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{locationcolor/light|cave}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|cave}}
|zh_yue=終結洞窟 ''{{tt|Jūnggit Duhngfāt|End Cave}}''
|zh_cmn=終結洞窟 / 终结洞窟 ''{{tt|Zhōngjié Dòngkū|End Cave}}''
|fr=Caverne Coda
|de=Finalhöhle
|it=Caverna Climax
|ko=엔드케이브 ''End Cave''
|es=Gruta Desenlace
}}

{{Alola}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Sun and Moon locations]]

[[de:Finalhöhle]]
[[zh:終結洞窟（阿羅拉）]]

TM026

2016-12-03T05:11:44Z

PartHunter: Added SM location.

:''If you were looking for the [[glitch move]], see [[TM26 (move)]].''

[[TM]]s vary between generations. In all generations, '''TM26''' is {{m|Earthquake}}.

{{TMtable
|move1=Earthquake
|type1=Ground
|loc1=[[Silph Co.]]
|sell1={{pdollar}}2000
|move2=Earthquake
|type2=Ground
|loc2={{ka|Victory Road}}
|sell2={{PDollar}}1500
|move3=Earthquake
|type3=Ground
|locrse=[[Seafloor Cavern]], {{a|Pickup}}{{tt|*|Emerald Only}}
|locfrlg=Prize for defeating [[Giovanni]]
|loccolo=[[Shadow PKMN Lab]]
|locxd=[[Cipher Key Lair]], {{a|Pickup}}
|sell3={{PDollar}}1500
|locdppt=[[Wayward Cave]], {{Gdis|Battle Tower|IV}}/{{Gdis|Battle Frontier|IV|Frontier}}, {{a|Pickup}}
|pricedppt=80[[Battle Point|BP]]
|lochgss={{ka|Victory Road}}, {{OBP|Battle Frontier|Generation IV}}, {{a|Pickup}}
|pricehgss=80[[Battle Point|BP]]
|locpbr=After beating 1st set of [[Masters Battle]]
|pricepbr=12,000[[Poké Coupon|PC]]
|move5=Earthquake
|type5=Ground
|locbw=[[Relic Castle]]
|locb2w2={{rt|15|unova}}
|move6=Earthquake
|type6=Ground
|locxy={{rt|22|Kalos}}
|locoras=[[Seafloor Cavern]]
|move7=Earthquake
|type7=Ground
|locsm=[[Resolution Cave]]
}}

{{tmdisambig}}
{{TMPrevNext|
number=26 |
}}

[[de:TM26]]
[[fr:CT26]]
[[it:MT26]]
[[ja:わざマシン26]]
[[pl:TM26]]
[[zh:技能学习器26]]

Dancer (Ability)

2016-12-01T14:47:15Z

PartHunter: /* In battle */ Can cause hitting self if confused.

{{AbilityInfobox
|name=Dancer
|jpname=おどりこ
|jptrans=Dancer
|jptranslit=Odoriko
|colorscheme=Flying
|gen=7
|text7=When another Pokémon uses a dance move, it can use a dance move following it regardless of its Speed.
}}
'''Dancer''' (Japanese: '''おどりこ''' ''Dancer'') is an [[Ability]] introduced in [[Generation VII]]. It is the [[signature Ability]] of {{p|Oricorio}}.

==Effect==
===In battle===
When another Pokémon uses a {{cat|Dance moves|dancing move}}, a Pokémon with the Ability Dancer will immediately use that move as well without using up its turn. It will not activate on a move copied by another Pokémon with Dancer.

Lunar Dance is copied after the original user fainted. A copied {{m|Petal Dance}} will last a single turn. If the user is under the effect of {{m|Taunt}}, it will still try to copy a status dancing move but will fail. If the user is {{status|Confusion|confused}}, it may hit itself in confusion instead of using the move Dancer is trying to duplicate. A Pokémon that is locked into a move such as {{m|Outrage}} will still try to copy the move but will fail.

====Affected moves====
The Ability affects the following moves:
{| width="300px" class="roundy" style="background: #{{status color light}}; border: 5px solid #{{status color}}"
|-
|
{| border=1 width="100%" class="sortable" style="margin:auto; background: #FFF; border:1px solid #{{status color light}}; border-collapse:collapse"
|- style="background: #{{status color light}}"
! width="120px" | {{color2|000|Move}}
! width="100px" | {{color2|000|Type}}
! width="100px" | {{color2|000|Damage category|Cat.}}
{{movelist|Feather Dance|Flying|cat=Status}}
{{movelist|Fiery Dance|Fire|cat=Special}}
{{movelist|Dragon Dance|Dragon|cat=Status}}
{{movelist|Lunar Dance|Psychic|cat=Status}}
{{movelist|Petal Dance|Grass|cat=Special}}
{{movelist|Revelation Dance|Normal|cat=Special}}
{{movelist|Quiver Dance|Bug|cat=Status}}
{{movelist|Swords Dance|Normal|cat=Status}}
{{movelist|Teeter Dance|Normal|cat=Status}}
|}
|}
{{left clear}}

===Outside of battle===
It is unknown if Dancer has an effect outside of battle.

==Pokémon with Dancer==
{{Ability/head|Flying}}
{{Ability/entry|741|Oricorio|Fire|Flying|Dancer|None|None|Baile Style}}
{{Ability/entry|741Po|Oricorio|Electric|Flying|Dancer|None|None|Pom-Pom Style}}
{{Ability/entry|741Pa|Oricorio|Psychic|Flying|Dancer|None|None|Pa'u Style}}
{{Ability/entry|741Se|Oricorio|Ghost|Flying|Dancer|None|None|Sensu Style}}
{{Ability/foot|flying}}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{flying color}}|bordercolor={{flying color dark}}
|zh_yue=舞者 ''{{tt|Móuhjé|Dancer}}''
|zh_cmn=舞者 ''{{tt|Wǔzhě|Dancer}}''
|fr=Danseuse
|de=Tänzer
|it=Sincrodanza
|ko=무희 ''Muhui''
|ru=Танцор ''Tantsor''
|es=Pareja de Baile
}}

{{-}}
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[de:Tänzer]]
[[it:Sincrodanza (abilità)]]
[[ja:おどりこ]]
[[zh:舞者（特性）]]

Battle Tree

2016-12-01T14:42:34Z

PartHunter: /* Entrance */ Air Slash is Special.

{{Infobox location
|image=Battle Tree SM.png
|location_name=Battle Tree
|type=forest
|japanese_name=バトルツリー
|translated_name=Battle Tree
|location=West of [[Poni Gauntlet]]
|mapdesc=The sacred battle grounds for the toughest Trainers of the Alola region.
|region=Alola
|generation={{Gen|VII}}
}}

The '''Battle Tree''' (Japanese: '''バトルツリー''' ''Battle Tree'') is located on [[Poni Island]] in [[Alola]]. It only appears in {{g|Sun and Moon}}.

When the player first arrives, they are greeted by {{ga|Blue}} and {{ga|Red}} who welcome the player as a fellow Champion, and by having the player choose to engage one of them in battle.

==Items==
===Exchange Service Corner===
The entrance includes three Exchange Service Corners, where the {{player}} can buy various [[item]]s with [[Battle Point]]s (BP).
The following items are offered as prizes in Sun and Moon:

{{shop|Left attendant}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|King's Rock|32|BP}}|{{shopitem|Deep Sea Tooth|32|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Deep Sea Scale|32|BP}}|{{shopitem|Dragon Scale|32|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Up-Grade|32|BP}}|{{shopitem|Dubious Disc|32|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Protector|32|BP}}|{{shopitem|Electirizer|32|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Magmarizer|32|BP}}|{{shopitem|Reaper Cloth|32|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Whipped Dream|32|BP}}|{{shopitem|Sachet|32|BP}}}}
{{shopfooter|multiple=yes}}
{{shop|Center attendant}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Toxic Orb|16|BP}}|{{shopitem|Flame Orb|16|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Iron Ball|16|BP}}|{{shopitem|Ring Target|16|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|White Herb|24|BP}}|{{shopitem|Mental Herb|24|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Power Herb|24|BP}}|{{shopitem|Focus Sash|32|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Air Balloon|32|BP}}|{{shopitem|Red Card|32|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Eject Button|32|BP}}|{{shopitem|Weakness Policy|48|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Choice Band|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Choice Specs|48|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Choice Scarf|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Life Orb|48|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Rocky Helmet|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Assault Vest|48|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Safety Goggles|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Terrain Extender|48|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Protective Pads|48|BP}}}}
{{shopfooter|multiple=yes}}
{{shop|Right attendant}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Gengarite|64|BP}}|{{shopitem|Scizorite|64|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Pinsirite|64|BP}}|{{shopitem|Aerodactylite|64|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Lucarionite|64|BP}}|{{shopitem|Kangaskhanite|64|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Gyaradosite|64|BP}}|{{shopitem|Absolite|64|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Alakazite|64|BP}}|{{shopitem|Garchompite|64|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Sablenite|64|BP}}|{{shopitem|Metagrossite|64|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Sharpedonite|64|BP}}|{{shopitem|Slowbronite|64|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Glalitite|64|BP}}|{{shopitem|Salamencite|64|BP}}}}
{{shopfooter}}

==Trainers==
===Entrance===
{{Party/Single
|color={{Blue color}}
|headcolor={{Blue color light}}
|bordercolor={{Blue color dark}}
|sprite=VSBlue 2.png{{!}}150px
|prize={{PDollar}}18,200
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|classlink=Pokémon Trainer
|name={{color2|000|Blue}}
|game=SM
|location=Battle Tree
|locationname=Battle Tree
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|game=SM
|ndex=065
|pokemon=Alakazam
|gender=male
|level=65
|type1=Psychic
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Psychic|move1type=Psychic|move1cat=Special
|move2=Future Sight|move2type=Psychic|move2cat=Special
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Reflect|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|game=SM
|ndex=142
|pokemon=Aerodactyl
|gender=male
|level=65
|type1=Rock|type2=Flying
|ability=Pressure
|move1=Rock Slide|move1type=Rock|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Iron Head|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sky Drop|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|game=SM
|ndex=059
|pokemon=Arcanine
|gender=male
|level=65
|type1=Fire
|ability=Intimidate
|move1=Extreme Speed|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flare Blitz|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Thunder Fang|move3type=Electric|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Bulldoze|move4type=Ground|move4cat=Physical}}
{{Party/Div|color={{blue color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|game=SM
|ndex=130
|pokemon=Gyarados
|gender=male
|level=65
|type1=Water|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|move1=Aqua Tail|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Dragon Dance|move4type=Dragon|move4cat=Status}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|game=SM
|ndex=068
|pokemon=Machamp
|gender=male
|level=65
|type1=Fighting
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Cross Chop|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Bulk Up|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Status
|move3=Knock Off|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|game=SM
|ndex=103
|pokemon=Exeggutor
|gender=male
|level=65
|type1=Grass|type2=Psychic
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Leaf Storm|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Psychic|move2type=Psychic|move2cat=Special
|move3=Sludge Bomb|move3type=Poison|move3cat=Special
|move4=Hypnosis|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status}}
{{Party/Footer}}

{{Party/Single
|color={{Red color}}
|headcolor={{Red color light}}
|bordercolor={{Red color dark}}
|sprite=VSRed.png{{!}}150px
|prize={{PDollar}}18,480
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|classlink=Pokémon Trainer
|name={{color2|000|Red}}
|game=SM
|location=Battle Tree
|locationname=Battle Tree
|pokemon=6}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|game=SM
|ndex=025
|pokemon=Pikachu
|gender=male
|level=70
|type1=Electric
|ability=Unknown
|held item=Light Ball
|move1=Volt Tackle|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Quick Attack|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Light Screen|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Status
|move4=Nuzzle|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Physical}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|game=SM
|ndex=003
|pokemon=Venusaur
|gender=male
|level=66
|type1=Grass|type2=Poison
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Bulldoze|move1type=Ground|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leech Seed|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Leaf Storm|move3type=Grass|move3cat=Special
|move4=Sludge Bomb|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|game=SM
|ndex=006
|pokemon=Charizard
|gender=male
|level=66
|type1=Fire|type2=Flying
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Will-O-Wisp|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Status
|move2=Fire Blast|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Special
|move3=Air Slash|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Special
|move4=Focus Blast|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Special}}
{{Party/Div|color={{red color}}}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|game=SM
|ndex=009
|pokemon=Blastoise
|gender=male
|level=66
|type1=Water
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Hydro Pump|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Flash Cannon|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Special
|move3=Dark Pulse|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Special
|move4=Ice Beam|move4type=Ice|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|game=SM
|ndex=131
|pokemon=Lapras
|gender=female
|level=65
|type1=Water|type2=Ice
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Surf|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Blizzard|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Special
|move3=Ice Shard|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Psychic|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special}}
|{{Pokémon/7
|game=SM
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|gender=male
|level=65
|type1=Normal
|ability=Unknown
|move1=Crunch|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Heavy Slam|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical
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|zh_cmn=對戰樹 / 对战树 ''{{tt|Duìzhàn Shù|Battle Tree}}''
|fr=Arbre de Combat
|de=Kampfbaum
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|it=Albero della Lotta
|ko=배틀트리 ''Battle Tree''
|ru=Древо Сражений ''Drevo Srazheniy''
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Talk:Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon Special Demo Version

2016-11-07T10:33:20Z

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==Release date==
Should we note the time it became available on the release date? In Australia, it was released at 15:00 AEDT, which is around 2 hours after solar noon and is New York's currnet midnight, as well as more than halfway through the day, and after lunchtime. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 04:08, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
:I don't see why. We don't do it for any other game, not even Pokemon Go, which had vastly more hype about exact release dates/times. Frankly, in a year (or a month, or a week... or, honestly, two days), nobody will care anymore what time of day it was released. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:12, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

== Time sensitive people/items? ==

Should we add in the locations of the Time Sensitive people around town (ie: the cop on the warf, the guy with the Pikachu in the visitor center, ect.), so that we can help others remember where they are? ([[User:Arcalargo|Arcalargo]] ([[User talk:Arcalargo|talk]]) 15:29, 19 October 2016 (UTC))
:This was researched by suloku on #smdemo on irc.projectpokemon.org. I'm not sure what to make of the bartender in the pokemon centre that tells you someone will come back in "about a month". [[User:Mid-kid|Mid-kid]] ([[User talk:Mid-kid|talk]]) 19:03, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
::I think the bartender is referring to the release of Sun and Moon, rather than a time-sensitive event, as the cafe would be open in the main games [[User:Skyarrow|Skyarrow]] ([[User talk:Skyarrow|talk]]) 10:58, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

== Data-mining ==

Just a note to all and sundry, please do not add data-mined info to any pages on Bulbapedia at this time, including this one and including talk pages. Thanks. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:07, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

== Blacking out ==

I intentionally blacked out against wild Pokémon in the demo and got sent back to the Pokémon Center, but I had healed there before. What happens if you have never healed there before? If you lose to the Team Skull Grunt at the start of the demo, you would have never even been to the Pokémon Center before.

Additionally, what if you lost to Plumeria after defeating the Totem Hakamo-o? Would you have to battle the Totem Hakamo-o again? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:40, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:It's very difficult to lose to the Grunt. The only way you can stall is by using Double Team, which just makes it harder for him to hit you, and you can only stall 15 times. I haven't done the math, but the only attack he really uses (Bite) doesn't do a lot of damage (between being resisted and him being like 10 levels below you), so it's hard if not impossible for him to make you faint.
:If you lose to Plumeria, the game still moves forward basically exactly the same. (The dialogue seemed exactly the same as much as I checked.) You don't actually lose any money, either. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:18, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::Worth noting that you do lose money if you black out against a wild Pokémon. $320 both times I did it, IIRC. (One against a random wild Pokémon, one against Totem Hakamo-o.) Even though you can't even see how much money you have until you finish the demo storyline. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:21, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
:::You can actually see your money by looking at the [[Bag]]. Yeah, losing works like if you've had 0 Badges in previous games. (Against Trainers too.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 10:30, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Oh man, yeah, one Bite from the Grunt's Yungoos just did 5 damage, out of Greninja's 105 total. So 25 Bites to beat me if that's all it does. Of course it has Leer too and it could get criticals. But in total the chances are still way in your favor. If you stalled Yungoos for 6 turns and it used (and hit) Leer each time, it'd have a max damage of about 22 (3x for lowered damage, 1.5x for crit), which would then require at least 5 more hits to beat you (7 without the crits)--but again, you can only stall with Double Team, so the chances of Yungoos only missing at most 4 times (''and'' getting 5 crits; or else only missing twice) are very small. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:41, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

== Lillie's appearance ==

I only started the demo on the 20th October, and Lillie appeared in my game. Could be that she would appear on a Friday? — '''[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang]][[User talk:Ruixiang95|95]]''' 13:26, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:I also completed the intial game only yesterday and she's appeared today. I'll try a few things and see if I can figure anything out. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:32, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

== New event ==

I just got to eat a Big Malasada with Hal. As far as my game is concerned, I run my 3DS on UTC +11, and I started and saved on the first available day (This is just after the beginning midnight on the 5th day, a Sunday. Hal mentioned the day of the week and said that I could participate in another adventure tomorrow. He also mentioned it getting late, and appeared for this event outside the Malasada shop, but only at night(got day, restarted to night, then it happened) (event did not save game, nor did 5 days event, so I saved by visiting the mysterious old man again). [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 13:20, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
::Can confirm this. I ate a Big Malasada with him too, and I want to mention to everyone that the event automatically begins when you approach the malasada shop. Also, PartHunter, did you notice what the girl in the bottom-left corner of town's countdown reward was? For me, it was a Machamp cutscene. I'm at least 1,000,000% sure that the Pokémon Company hit us with an Unexpected John Cena meme [[User:Blootannery|Blootannery]] ([[User talk:Blootannery|talk]]) 04:41, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

== Day Count Not Working ==

So... apparently, there's a few people having problems with the day cycle not working correctly. Some people have gotten stuck on Day 1 while others have gotten stuck a little further along. I myself am stuck at a point where the [[Policeman (Trainer class)|policeman]] tells me there's "something shady is going down" in 6 days.

Is there a definitive fix for this, other than nuking your data and starting over (which is the solution I saw). I'd rather not have to do that, but if I'm a whopping '''week''' behind everyone else, well... (I was originally just 1 day behind, which I was fine with.)

In addition, the day/night cycle doesn't seem to work... but I assumed that was intentional, as to give players the experience of playing during the day ''or'' during the night without actually having to wait. I think the [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire Special Demo Version|''ORAS'' demo]] did something like that, too... but I might be mis-remembering.

~ Joseph Collins ([[user:Joseph Collins|U]], [[user talk:Joseph Collins|T]], [[Special:Contributions/Joseph Collins|C]]) 14:39, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

:Same happened to me, but it added three days to both my remaining NPCs (the policeman and the girl going on the ferry), and now the count won't go back down again. It only happened after I turned my 3DS clock back an hour for daylight savings... Maybe that has something to do with it?
:[[User:GloverMist|GloverMist]] ([[User talk:GloverMist|talk]]) 15:28, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

::Yeah... In almost all the cases I read about, changing the 3DS clock is what made the demo "break".
::As a matter of fact, I read somewhere that the demo is coded to with a counter-measure for people who want to skip ahead to trigger events early. If I had to guess, the counter-measure keeps the last day you played the game in the save file and if it detects any unusual changes in the date, or apparently ''time'', it rolls the demo back to the last '''day''' the game was played.
::That being said, it's extremely frustrating to know that Nintendo didn't plan for Daylight Saving Time. I mean, I know Japan has '''never''' observed Daylight Saving Time, but c'mon, Nintendo... that's pretty darn short-sighted of you.
::~ Joseph Collins ([[user:Joseph Collins|U]], [[user talk:Joseph Collins|T]], [[Special:Contributions/Joseph Collins|C]]) 15:55, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
:::If you want to save, just visit the mysterious old man again. Every time you visit him, the game saves. Once you do this, the count will resume. This measure and how it works has been in place since Diamond and Pearl, which started use of an external clock (and got one with a way to detect the change), and visiting the old man is the only way to save to make it resume. You may have an additional day beyond this added, as some games delay all events or some events based on number of days by 24 hours, then till midnight (like Join Avenue's fans). If this does not work, contact Pokemon Support and ask them how to fix this. If there is no solution from them, I can't help you. I don't have much experience changing my system clock, because I don't even adjust mine for daylight savings to avoid interrupting time-based events (but, since I got it when daylight savings was on, it applies inaccurately outside of it. I just mentally adjust the time when I read the system clock outside of daylight savings.) [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 10:33, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Guardian deities

2016-11-03T02:34:40Z

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{{Move|Tapu}}
The '''guardian deities''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|守|まも}}り{{tt|神|がみ}}''' ''guardian deity''), also called the '''tapu''' (Japanese: '''カプ''' ''kapu''), are Pokémon in the [[Alola]] [[region]] who protect the islands where they live. Each of the four main islands in Alola has a guardian deity: {{p|Tapu Koko}} on [[Melemele Island]], {{p|Tapu Lele}} on [[Akala Island]], {{p|Tapu Bulu}} on [[Ula'ula Island]], and {{p|Tapu Fini}} on [[Poni Island]]. The [[Island Kahuna]]s are each chosen by their island's guardian deity.

The guardian deities share the [[Z-Move]] {{m|Guardian of Alola}}.

==Guardians==
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #FFF"
! [[Melemele Island]] || [[Akala Island]] || [[Ula'ula Island]] || [[Poni Island]]
|-
| class="roundy" style="background: #{{yellow color light}}" | {{pcolor|Tapu Koko|000}} [[File:Tapu Koko.png|150px]] {{typecolor|Electric}}{{typecolor|Fairy}} Ability: {{acolor|Electric Surge|000}}
| class="roundy" style="background: #{{fairy color light}}" | {{pcolor|Tapu Lele|000}} [[File:Tapu Lele.png|150px]] {{typecolor|Psychic}}{{typecolor|Fairy}} Ability: {{acolor|Psychic Surge|000}}
| class="roundy" style="background: #{{red color light}}" | {{pcolor|Tapu Bulu|000}} [[File:Tapu Bulu.png|150px]] {{typecolor|Grass}}{{typecolor|Fairy}} Ability: {{acolor|Grassy Surge|000}}
| class="roundy" style="background: #{{poison color light}}" | {{pcolor|Tapu Fini|000}} [[File:Tapu Fini.png|150px]] {{typecolor|Water}}{{typecolor|Fairy}} Ability: {{acolor|Misty Surge|000}}
|}


==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{alola color}}|bordercolor={{alola color dark}}
|zh_yue=守護神 ''{{tt|Sáuwuhsàhn|Guardian deity}}''
|zh_cmn=守護神 / 守护神 ''{{tt|Shǒuhùshén|Guardian deity}}''
|nl=Beschermgod
|fr=Pokémon Gardien Divinité gardienne Pokémon protecteur
|de=Schutzpatron
|it=Pokémon protettore
|ko=수호신 ''{{tt|Suhosin|Guardian deity}}''
|pt_eu=Divindade guardiã
|ru=Божественный хранитель ''Bozhestvennyy khranitel'''
|es=Espíritu guardián
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Talk:Guardian deities

2016-11-03T02:34:26Z

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== Moving the page ==

Should we move the page to Tapu or Tapus, since that is still an official name for them and more people seem to be using it than guardian deities, as well as making the name of the page defiantly exclude any other Pokemon which are worshipped as protectors that may appear in the future? [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 02:34, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Talk:List of Pokémon with form differences/Archive 1

2016-10-31T06:38:49Z

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==Arceus==
Shouldn't Arceus e listed here too?--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 09:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't see why not. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 02:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Deoxys. ==

It's Forme. Check the Pokémon.com dex. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

: But why would they change that for Deoxys? It makes no sense. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::It's Forme. Even the Nintendo Power guilled says so. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:11 21 May 2008'''''
::: Which I'm assuming they don't spell "guilled"... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Proves that I'm obssessed with Special. I emant GUIDE. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:16 21 May 2008'''''
::::So you have the guide, and it says "forme?" Jeez! How is it possible we didn't know about this before now? --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 06:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
::::: My point... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 16:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::{{u|Deoxys911}} posted this info on my {{ut|Martonimos}}, but after I played through the special mission in {{pkmn|Ranger}} and they were all spelled as "form," I thought he was just being misled. I guess Game Freak and HAL just got their wires crossed somewhere, because it's starting to look more and more like he was right... Looks like I owe someone an apology. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 19:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Shaymin ==
Sky Forme [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 19:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

:Looks fake but cute [[User:CoolPikachu!]]
::Another one??? God, I must delete everything with that link! Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:06 25 May 2008'''''
:::Yeah, it's fake. It seemed so real! [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 21:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::::It's been confirmed! How do we add it? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 23:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
You'll have to ask an admin, since they've got this page protected (damn vandals) --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 02:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::-snort- Looks kinda like a reindeer.. Hehe.. I think it's pretty ugly actually, and I hope that isn't the in-game sprite displayed on the page, it doesn't look good at all to me. [[User:Evan94|Evan]] 06:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
::::: Apparently it's gonna be in "giratina and the boquet in the sky" (japanese name), along with the rotom formes. I'm guessing that giratina's "origin forme" is going to be in there, too. --[[User: serenolopez9|Neosteel Empoleon]]

== Cherrim ==

Cherrim should definitely be on this page - there are already other examples of Pokemon that can change their form, and Cherrim's difference is similar in nature to Castform's. Why is this page locked, by the way?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:The page is protected due to edit warring over the spelling of "form". Some users insist that it should be spelled "forme", which is incorrect--there isn't supposed to be an E in "form". --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::Well duh, not in NORMAL English. But for Deoxys, Giratina, and Shaymin, yes there is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:I'm not exactly sure that "<s>Bulb</s> Bud Forme" and "Bloom Forme" are official names. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 20:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::Me neither, but that's what it said on the Cherrim page, so I'd rather stick with precedent then make a fuss. If someone in the know has more info, though, go ahead.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Also, we should differentiate between which are recognized by the Pokedex, and which are obviously different forms but not recognized as such. Giratina might actually fit into this, as it's Pokedex entry doesn't say anything about its form (as of now).[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:: Where the heck did 'Bud Forme' and 'Bloom Forme' names come from? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 13:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

:::They were added to Cherrim's page. Most likely a while ago. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::They're purely fanon names I came up with to differentiate the sprite tables. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::Since they are not ''actual'' names, I think it would be safe to drop the "e" off of Forme, so as not to confuse anyone into thinking they are official. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::We should drop more than the '''e''' (which is still official since everything else uses it). Castform is probably the best example to follow for the captions. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying that "Forme" is unofficial, just "Bud" and "Bloom". In any case, should they just be labeled "{{m|Sunny Day}}" and "Other"? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
: That works. Or 'Normal' instead of 'Other'[[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 16:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, I wasn't too keen on the word "Other" anyway. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::forme is for legendaries only, you know. Has Cherrim seen a TCG release yet? That's where I got the names for Castform's forms. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I could only find the one card. It is simply titled Cherrim and it is already in bloom. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::According to the Official Pocket Version of the Pokédex guide, Cherrim's forms are "Overcast Form" and "Sunshine Form". Spelled like that without the "e". The Deoxys Formes do have the "e", though. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Miltank ==

Miltank's spots are diffrent in every game hinting they change in each region.
:Just because they differ in games doesn't mean that the Miltank change depending on the region. =/ - [[User:SpontaneousCombusken|spontaneous'''Combusken''']] 03:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
::Well, that's the way Arbok is ''supposed'' to work, but we all know that a Hoenn Arbok can magically change to a Kanto Arbok.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Castform ==

The same guide I mentioned above for Cherrim also list the names of Castform's forms. They are: "Normal form", "Sun form", "Rain form" and "Hail form". Should these be used? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Others ==

Can I point out? "Mantyke's Pokédex entry in Pearl says that the special patterns on its back vary from region to region. However, this has yet to be proven" How can this be true? It is availible in Ranger SOA, isnt it? --[[User:Lucario12|Lucario12]] 13:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== Rotom's Formes? ==

I'm not convinced it is a toaster, as I see it to resemble a {{wp|microwave oven}} more than a toaster. The others I agree with, but not this one. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
::::: I always thought it was a microwave oven,too. It's actually called "heat forme", though. Go figure.
--[[User:serenolopez9|Neosteel <color: silver> Empoleon <color:blue>]]

== Stupid Protection ==

:OMG, I wanted to edit the page to put in OFFICIAL names for Castform forms (they are in TCG) and I discovered the page is protected. Please stop that debate about "Form" or "Forme". Official sources use '''スピンロトム''' ''Spin Rotom'', ''Wash Rotom'' etc. As long as they are not officially revealed, just leave it alone. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::Interesting. The four Castfors are called:
*Castform
*Rain Castform
*Snow-cloud Castform
*Sunny Castform
::As far as Rotom goes, Urutapu makes a pretty good argument for the use of "Forme." --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== Just to kill any doubts about Rotom Forms ==

[http://blog-imgs-27.fc2.com/r/a/i/raim2005/Pt_rotom03.jpg Look here!] (courtesy of Blue SkY) Photos taken from the game itself. See it now? It's ロトム (Rotom), not フォルム (Forme)! Which means that Rotom forms are supposed to be named '''Wash Rotom''', '''Spin Rotom''', '''Cut Rotom''' etc., they are not called "Formes" anywhere. So, it's officialy EoT. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

== "フォルム" or "フォーム" ==

Both translate to "form" through a Google translate, but apparently the first is used intentionally and translated as "Forme", while the second translates as "form".

What I need to know... The English games have a specific text. The fifth button on a Pokémon's entry says "Forms", while on the top screen, when it's pressed, it says "FORMS" and on the form-switcher button, says "See another form." Now, in the Japanese, all these instances of "form", does it say "フォーム", the standard transliteration, or does it use "フォルム" for them all? Because if it's the nonstandard one... that means that really, truly, it's intended to be "Forme" for everything.

But if not then we have the ambiguity problem. Deoxys says "see another form", but it cycles among the Attack, Defense, Speed, and Normal Formes. And ''that'' is proven by Pokémon.com. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:The button says "But see another" (べつのすがをみろ) in Pokémon Platinum. Giratina uses Forme for sure.. not got enough Pokédex for others. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 21:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::Anything for DP? It seems that Pokémon Wiki has it all under the "Forme/フォルム" spelling, even Unown. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Unown don't have the Forme spelling attached. They all share the same thing. (which I forgot to copy) [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 21:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Templates ==

I noticed that all of these Pokémon with alternate Formes/forms all have their own special template (either a bigger spritebox to accomodate them all or, in the case of Arceus and Unown, one based on the second you enter the page) except for Castform. Over the past few days, I've made such templates but I'm having trouble getting them to appear. If anyone thinks we should implement these and that they can help, post on my talk page.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 01:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== More pictures ==

Should we show pictures for the other Pokémon (Arbok, Dialga, etc.) except for Mantyke (till Generation V) [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 21:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:Well Arbok's patterns... differ based on the generation of sprites. They aren't truly form differences. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:22, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe there could be section or page called "Sprite Differences among Generations/Regions" or something. [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 22:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Don't forget Koffings poison mark -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

== Before Unown ==

I'm wondering why nobody's thought about the most obvious very first 'form change' and that is the Male and Female versions of Nidoran, and the altered evolution paths they take. Does anyone think this is worth mentioning in the article? [[User:Korikitsune|Korikitsune]] 03:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:No, because they are [[list of Pokémon with gender differences|gender differences]], not different forms. They are two individual Pokémon, unlike the forms of Unown and friends. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
::They are 2 pokemon with the same name, the only difference being the gender, I think that counts, I'm not sure why it doesn't count, seeing as how they have the same name in all technicality, and in the show, people wouldn't say, 'Go Nidoran Male!' just, 'Go, Nidoran!' It's a male and female version of the pokemon, who's evolutionary pattern depends on it's gender. The minor gender difference in other pokemon is mentioned later in the article. [[User:Korikitsune|Korikitsune]] 04:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::With your reasoning, {{p|Hippowdon}} and {{p|Bidoof}} would be here also. Gender differences are different from form differences. Furthermore, the Nidorans have different 'dex numbers. They are completely separate Pokémon. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

== Protection ==

This isn't necessary anymore, nobody's gonna try to add Missigno.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

== Shellder Sprites ==
I'm making sprites for the Shellder. Should we have them on this page? (This is my first ever edit) [[User:Pokemon17|Pokemon17]] 07:15, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:No, because they are not in the actual game but fan-made ones you made. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 07:28, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== Missingno. ==

I was looking back in the history of this page, and I saw that there had been an edit war over Missingno.'s absence from this page. And a quote from one of the edit summaries, "stop, it isn't an actual pokemon", really enraged me. I believe that the guy who tried to add Missingno. had the right idea, because, after all, it does have different forms.

I have made this argument in the past, and I shall make it again, for what I hope to be the final time. A Pokémon, in terms of in the games, is a specific piece of data that can learn and use attacks, can battle other Pokémon, can be captured, has a Pokédex entry, has a cry, has a type or types, and has stats. Granted, three of Missingno.'s forms gain their types, stats, and moves from other Pokémon, but they qualify. Sure, Ash captured a rice ball with a Poké Ball, and I'm not claiming that rice balls are Pokémon. This is because although rice balls can apparently be captured in Poké Balls, they fail at every other requirement. No attacks, no cry, can't battle, no dex entry, no cry, no types, no moves, no stats. Glitch Pokémon, on the other hand, fulfill all those requirements. Maybe you will argue that Glitch Pokémon would've appeared in the anime if they were real. Well, then, by that logic, why don't we just say that {{p|Porygon2}} and {{p|Porygon-Z}} aren't real Pokémon? After all, they've never appeared in the anime, and many people believe that they never will, so why not! No. Just no. And many people will claim that Missingno. is not a real Pokémon due to the accidental nature with which it came to be. What a load of bull{{tt|****|shit}}! Pennicillin came about by accident, do we deny its medicinal value? No, we do not! And likewise, we do not deny that Glitch Pokémon are Pokémon, too! If Glitch Pokémon aren't considered to be real Pokémon, then by that logic, I defeated the Elite 4 in Blue without any Pokémon, and I have a PC box that is full, yet has no Pokémon in it! Fail logic is epic, epic fail.

I do not say this to start any arguments; I say this to stop them. I wish for this longtime and meaningless controversy to be put to rest once and for freaking all. I will not prematurely attempt to add Missingno. back on the page, for fear of yet another unproductive edit war starting up. Rather, I will wait patiently for someone in authority to allow me to proceed with this. I am confident, given my thorough argument, that it will not take long at all.

The majority of Bulbapedia editors are highly intelligent, prominently including its illustrious staff. I urge you all, therefore, to not let Bulbapedia's credibility and neutrality, as well as your own usually clear and cloudless judgement, fall victim to the naysayers, the stubborn imbeciles, the biased, discriminating anti-glitch bigots that have so plagued Bulbapedia and impeded the noble progress of the Order of the Glitch. Allow Missingno. and its various formes to be added to the page, to be truly counted among other Pokémon, and it will be considered a great achievement. A blow will be stricken for truth and logic! Glitch Pokémon are every bit as good as "official" Pokémon, if not even better, and it's time the good people of Bulbapedia realized this! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 12:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:While several of your arguments are flawed (I can say which ones, but it doesn't matter), I will agree that MissingNo. deserves a mention on this page. In a different way to the other standard Pokémon (perhaps in the trivia section or under other Pokémon), but definitely a mention of some kind. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::There are 39 glitch Pokémon (which have unique index numbers) on the English R/B alone which use the name 'Missingno.' If those are to stay I'd reccommend a seperate article. But also, what makes Missingno. different to all the other glitch Pokémon, just because it is well known doesn't mean we should keep Pikachu's page and delete Dunsparce's page (just a matter of speech)? We would need the several thousand variations of ?????????? and the handful amount of ? mark glitches. Don't forget that there are other R/B/Y glitch Pokémon except Missingno. which have the same name too! As well, as the 39 English 'yellow missingno.' and so on.

That would be awkward, I'd say we should simply have it on trivia and leave the different variations of such glitch Pokémon on their own articles. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 18:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Well... it's not really an official Pokemon. No matter how much you will plug your ears and scream IT'S OFFICIAL!!!! because it has Pokemon-like data... well, you gotta fill that in or else the game would go ballistic. Is the name "Missingno." in the copyright database? I can't check that for myself (don't know how), but I have my doubts about it being copyrighted by Nintendo. It's just filler data that people happen to get attached to, because you can encounter it during 'normal gameplay' (ish...), has more of a name than the other glitches, can have a more 'real' sprite, and doesn't have much effect on your game other than the Hall of Fame.

:Does that make it a Pokemon? No. No, it doesn't. Has it appeared in any other game except Generation I? No. Was it intended to be encountered? No. It may have types/moves/stats, but that was probably to avoid a total crash if someone happened to come across it.

:As for Missingno being on the page... well. I don't think it's a "true" form per se, but it at least deserves a trivia mention or something. Because it's not official and two of its "forms" are just glitchy boxes, I don't think it needs an entire section... trivia should be suitable. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 18:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Rotom changing forms ==

The article explains that Rotom changes form by possessing household appliances. However, it does not say how. (Giratina's section explains how, for example.) By showing the in-game sprites for each form, wouldn't that indicate those forms are available in the games? So what needs to happen in order to trigger this change? Do you examine one of the appliances with Rotom leading the party? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 12:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:It should mention it. Examine an appliance in Rotom's room (Galactic or Silph) with a Rotom in your party (anywhere), then a message pops up saying that Rotom wants to go into the motor and you are asked whether or not to permit it. Then to revert it, examine the spot where the appliance was and Rotom will want to revert to it's original form and you are asked to permit it. This is all from Platinum, so HGSS might be slightly different. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: I'd like to add that if you're using HeartGold and SoulSilver you will find the room in Silph Co. by setting Rotom as your [[Walking Pokémon]] and entering the lift which is normally disfunctionable --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 14:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC).

== Basurao ==

shouldn't basurao be included here? [[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 11:56, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Think I figured out the form/forme issue. ==

Form - Generically used

Forme - Used when referring to a specific form.

Ex: "Deoxys has four forms: Normal, Attack, Defense, and Speed Formes."--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 02:28, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:True, but keep in mind some Pokémon still don't use the Forme terminology, such as Burmy, which is instead referred to by its cloak. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::"Forme" is for legendary Pokémon, "form" is for non-legendary Pokémon. This has been known for a while. Example: {{p|Cherrim|Overcast Form}}, {{p|Deoxys|Attack Forme}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:36, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shadow Lugia ==

Shadow Lugia needs to be in the "Pokémon with differing forms" section rather than the "Other form differencees" section, although it is only in one game, the same also applies to Spiky-ear Pichu, who is only in HeartGold/SoulSilver but is in the section. Could Dark/Primal Dialga could also be added too?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:15, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Rotation By Time. ==

This has been discussed multiple times before, but it is quite frustrating to wait a certain amount of time to see the art or stats of a certain form of Pokémon. There are several different ways we can do other than the "rotation over time" method, that would be more efficient for the users so that they could see all the forms of a Pokémon or their stats at any time. Whether we split up articles into multiple articles, or come up with some way to change a picture or the stats at the press of a button, I don't know, but I just want to know why we are still using this method other than that it is a policy. Can an admin please explain to me why we use this method, rather than an other method? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
:The other stats etc. can be viewed simply by clicking "Show" on the RHS of the page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:41, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, and so the art can be viewed in the gallery on the Bulbagarden Archives. That makes total sense! Thanks trom! --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== Hihidarumma's Active Mode and Meditative Mode ==

According to BW008, Hihidaruma's forms are apparently called 'Active Mode' and 'Meditative Mode'. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Cleanup Needed? ==

Half of the templates on the page have borders (the ones with stats etc, like Deoxys) while the other half don't. Also, why are there four {{tt|different|they are not actually different besides being from different games, they are all <nowiki>"blank"</nowiki> sprites of Spinda}} sprites of Spinda? And some cells appear to be split (like Burmy), while others are not (like Pichu). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:The half that don't have borders are showcasing the sprites and if I recall correctly, those were always there and someone suddenly decided to add all the stats and level-up moves. I don't see what's wrong with the Spinda sprites. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 17:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
::Like Jello said, the ones without borders are just to show the differences in sprite while the ones with borders are templates to display things like base stats. The Spinda sprites are there because we're not even going to start uploading the insane multitude of Spinda sprites onto the Archives so the best demonstration we can do of Spinda sprites is between Generation (but perhaps that's useless and should be removed...). The "splitting" of the cells is simply done when the background colours change between the sprites.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:03, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I never suggested uploading every spinda sprite, only two variations are needed on the page to show the general spot differences. Having four blanks on the page seems pointless, since they do not show any kind of form diference. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:15, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Of course, then we hit upon the problem of which specific sprites to upload. The blank ones are in a matter of speaking less biased.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::The sprites chosen would not really matter, just as long as the differences between them are obvious. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:33, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus (again) ==

I had added Arceus to the type pages where Arceus can be that type along with the asterisk and the plate necessary to make it that type ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Flying_%28type%29&oldid=1344684#Pure_Flying-type_Pok.C3.A9mon example]), but {{U|CoolPikachu!}} disagrees (see [[User_talk:CoolPikachu!#Types|here]]). What do the rest of you say? —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 08:23, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
:Its types may already be mentioned, since there is that switchy template thing for Arceus, but this is more helpful. Castform also needs to be added. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
::I think it should be considered form differences: give it a plate, and its type on the status screen changes. However, Judgment is only a Normal-type move, as when Arceus holds a plate it is still listed as Normal-type. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:00, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
:::You (and anyone who see the link to the right) are hereby invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
::::If you don't think 4 pages is enough for a debate then I don't know what is. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 05:53, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Onix ==
If Porygon's Conversion changes count as a "form difference" why not [[Crystal Onix]] from the anime?--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 08:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

== Meloetta ==

Does Meloetta remain in Pirouette Forme when the battle ends or after switching? -- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|Questions?]] -- 18:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:No. And this is kind of a Forum Question--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 18:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
::It is not a forum question, the way that the article was worded implieds that Meloetta remained in Piroutte form outside of battle. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 18:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

==Kyurem==

The names of its forms was confirmed so can we add them?[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 01:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Arbok concept arts ==

Where do those come from? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:56, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:They come from a Japanese Pokémon handbook. It included several other concept arts, like other kinds of Shellder attached to Slowbro and Poliwhirl's internal anatomy. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 23:38, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
::Wow, could you upload the artworks from this book? It's a super-obscure stuff. I'm sure that no one else here has it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Even write an article on it if you can. This sounds like it could have some very interesting info. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:55, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

== Kami trio ==

Someone add the Reijuu Formes for the Kami trio.
<gallery>
File:641Tornadus-Therian.png|Tornadus
File:642Thundurus-Therian.png|Thundurus
File:645Landorus-Therian.png|Landorus
</gallery>

--[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 00:19, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, is it worth mentioning that the three formes seem based o n three gods of the Aztec mythology? Tornadus seems to be based on [[wikipedia:Huitzilopochtli|Huitzilopochtli]] (hummingbird), Thundurus on [[wikipedia:Quetzalcoatl|Quetzalcoatl]] (feathered serpent) and Landorus on [[wikipedia:Tezcatlipoca|Tezcatlipoca]] or [[wikipedia:Tepeyollotl|Tepeyollotl]] (jaguar).

== question ==

The article says that "Unown was the first known Pokémon which had visual differences between individuals of the species."

However this isn't entirely true as Shellder is technically the first. While not to the same extreme as the Unown, Sheller who are attached to Slowpoke (or more specifically their evolutions) have different visual appearances compared to regular Shellder.

Shouldn't this be changed? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 05:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
:Since the attachment to Slowpoke causes an evolution, I think Shellder should be considered to evolve as well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:59, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

:: Then the part about the Unown should be changed. Shelder was the original shape shifter (no offense Dito) and the Unown are stealing the credit.

:: I also agree that the Shelder + Slowpoke should be considered an evolution on the Shelder end as well, but that's a pretty large mine field to navigate. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 16:03, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

== Shellder ==

SnorlaxMonster, the Pokédex still calls the being attached to Slowbro or Slowking a Shellder. It is a Shellder in a form that is not the default one. We could say that Ditto should also be excluded since it's just one isolated case (Duplica's Ditto) and the Pokémon it transformed into only had it's face changed. Will a complete transformation like Shellder's be excluded because of the saying of an Anime character? If the games say it is a Shellder, won't they have priority over the anime? Please undo it. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 05:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
:In my opinion, Ditto and Shellder turn into separate species. Ditto, while still a ditto, turns into a different Pokémon nonetheless while shellder evolves into a different species (Slowbro). Unown are the first one to have distinct differences of the same species.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:51, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
::The Pokédex does not consider the Shellder attached to a Slowbro as a different species. It is still a Shellder, and can even be detached someday. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 06:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

::: I have to say that I now agree that the Shellder is still a Shellder, not evolved after reading the Shellder Article. You see, I have a good memory, but I forgot that even though it's changed, in the anime the Shellder still pronounces it's name "Shellder" even with Slowbrow's tail shoved down it's throat. Add to that and the fact that indeed the articles do refer to Shellder as Shellder no matter what.

::: Many Pokémon have different forms when they come or inhabit different places. Shellder just happens to like to inhabit parts of Slowpoke.

::: With that said, it is still a Shellder and should be placed back into the article and given the title that Unown is cashing in on. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 15:54, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
::::This topic is getting old. In a sense, Shellder evolves ''with'' Slowpoke. It's not a form change, it's an evolution. If it was just a form change, Slowpoke would still be a Slowpoke, but with a big carnivorous shell on its tail. But the fact that it is the lone cause of Slowpoke's evolution into Slowbro, then it is evolution. Oh, the Pokédex says it can fall off? In theory, maybe it could. But it never would, because that would be devolution, which doesn't happen in the games. Not to mention, you don't even NEED a Shellder in the games to evolve Slowpoke. If it was a form change, it would be able to change back in-game without any issues, or arguments. Like Shaymin for example, you need the flower. But it can change back. If it were an Unown or Shellos case, it wouldn't need to change at all. Shellder would just be one or the other. But they're not.

::::P.S. If Shellder can fall off, then Indian Elephants exist in Pokémon.

::::[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::You can't assume something only because you haven't seen it, you don't need to drink poison to know that it kills. I assume Indian Elephants exist in Pokémon, because the games told me that the Pokédex was made by serious researchers, like Professor Oak. And if we can't (yet) make the Shellder detach, it's our problem, it doesn't mean the Pokédex is a lie. I'll trust Pokédex entries ''a thousand times'' more than "common sense". It's not up to us to decide. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 17:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::P.S.: If something should be removed, it's Spinda, Arceus, Genesect and Dialga. Those are not different forms, only their colors (or patterns) change (Dialga's tail can change size naturally). Not to mention Pichu. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 17:11, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

:::::: People calm down, its the internet. I forget which rule that is since all i can remember is rule 63 and the one that destroys people's favorite childhood cartoons.

:::::: Shellder is still Shellder. Slowbro is the only one who evolves, and he even says Slowbro. Shellder on the other hand says Shellder. '''''Pokémon See N Say:''''' The Slowbro says, Slowbrow, the Shellder says, Shellder. Also in the anime this happens despite having a tail down it's throat. Plus Prof Westwood still refers to Shellder as Shellder, and refers to the evolution problem and the Shellder Puzzle. Also when Slowpoke began to evolve, he said Slowpoke, not Slowpoke and Shellder was starting to evolve. "Slowpoke evolved into a Slowbro, and Shellder changed into a spiral shape. Shellder is mentioned to be Shellder in Slowbro's and Slowking Pokédex entries, and the anime.

:::::: Also, whenever a Pokémon ''ITSELF'' evolves, it no longer addresses itself as it once did. Despite similar lettering Pikachu does not say Pichu and neither does Raichu. Have you ever heard a Raichu say Pika or Pichu? Shellder can only evolve with a water stone, and it only evolves into Cloyster. Cloyster say Cloyster, Shellder say Shellder and Shellder on Slowbro's tail say Shellder and not Slowbro, Slowshell, Shellbro or Shelldro.

:::::: This is a different form for Shellder, and so is the one on Slowking's head. Yes Slowpoke can evolve without Shellder in the games, but lots of things are different in the games than the anime. Also the original games came out over a decade and a half ago on a '''''FOURTH GENERATION 8-BIT HANDHELD SYSTEM.''''' Back then you could only fit so much stuff on those dinosaurs, its amazing how they were even able to fit 151 different Pokémon, with multiple moves and other things onto one little tiny cartridge. It leaves the mind boggled. Besides, back then, despite all the stuff they fit into the game, they couldn't put everything in and they didn't think a lot of things through either. You ever notice how Game Freak always shows themselves as party loving college kid programmers in the games? Might not be so far off the mark given how they had so many mistakes in the games, and while less in newer games still happen. Yes I know in new generations certain Pokémon like Mantyke and Mantine need another Pokémon to evolve, but that is now. They've had a decade an a half to think of new things, and the technology has improved 2000 fold and we're only in the 8th generation of Nintendo's innovative handhelds.

:::::: It would be one thing if Pokémon only came out yesterday and these evolution inconsistencies existed, but Pokémon and its games have been around for about 16 years, that's over out half my entire life and many of the Admins on here. In all that time I have rarely seen the franchise go back and fix the flaws of previous generations outside of a few remakes which only removed things like Ghost pcs. They could easily make it where in the next game you need a shellder in the party to evolve Slowpoke, but they haven't and I bet 80% of that is a mix of not wanting to and not needing to for Nostalgia reasons. I guarantee you if they did fix the Slowpoke thing, then many fans would strike back in protest. All Nintendo and Game Freak can do is make the anime and games, and try to not repeat their mistakes and form a consistent and correlate cannon structure for their product.

:::::: I don't know what's in the water around here making everyone uptight, but it's not healthy and unnecessary. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 18:48, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I'd just like to say; not in a rude way, or anything, just honest; the next time you post a message, could it please not be 5 paragraphs long? Half of that message wasn't even on topic. Also, no one is angry here. Not a one. I'm not, Duke's not. The argument that Shellder is its own separate Pokémon when on a Slowbro/king has just been made several times before, and it starts to lose its shine over time, to the point it just becomes repetitive and dull. There was once a big project to label all Slowbro and Slowking as also having Shellders, but it was shot down because of how tedious it was, and the scale of the debate. I'm someone who doesn't really count the Shellder. I mean, I know it's there. But that's like counting the Remoraid on a Mantine. A few times, it does count (Gold's Mantine for example) but overall, it doesn't. The anime likes to emphasize the Shellder, and it's also made the point of Spoink receiving a pearl from Clamperl, but you don't need it in the games. It's easier just to have Slowbro be Slowbro, and normal Shellder be Shellder who evolves into Cloyster. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:14, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Well I wasn't here for those past arguments. I'm still new here and to Wikis in general, I never wanted to get sucked into drama like this...good going on my part. As for half my post "being off topic," I posted what I thought was relevant since it seemed like everyone was bringing in arguments from other arguments. I had to post multiple things to address the multiple issues that were being laid out on the table.

The Point is, Shellder deserves to be on this article, the rash removal is what started this all, at least this time anyway. I don't know why there must be so much fuss, all i ever brought up was that Shellder should have the title that was given to the Unown. Then Shellder got removed and upon reasing its article my POV on its removal changed. As long as the games/anime refer to it as Shellder it remains a Shellder and its different shells are different forms even if they are brought on by Slowpoke's evolution. Look at it this way, Slowpoke is Shellder's Gardina Flower on steroids. And Shellder is Slowpoke's Waterstone on steroids. nOne gains an evolution, the other a new shell/home/host.

I understand it can get tiresome, but you can't take your frustration out on everyone who brings it up. It's going to happen again and again until a Shellder falls off a Slowbro and is shown to revert to its old shell and/or Slowbro to Slowpoke. Also it'll keep happening until A Shellder falls off Slowking and he goes Derpy Hooves on us while the Shellder waits for it to pick it up and put it back on. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 20:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

:Oh my Arceus! We were just debating, hehe. I'd never be upset with Jo The Marten, she's one of the people that keep this wiki going at its best. And even the guy who removed the section is someone I really admire, that's why I asked him to please revert it.
:Jo, I didn't know about the past arguments as well, but I believe this case is different. This article has two main sections, one for the major and one for the minor form differences. As long as Shellder is kept in the second section, with the two points of view discribed (as I incuded), it should be left there. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 21:07, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
::I admit I might have misread the argument at the start. Whenever I see Shellder, my mind instantly thinks back to people arguing that Shellder is its own Pokémon when Slowbro evolves. Umm...lemme think...obviously it changes shape when it helps a Slowpoke evolve, so that's enough for a partial form change..but I think major should just include those where it's permanent and solitary (Unown, Wormadam, Shellos), then minor if it needs some kind of an influence (Burmy, Ditto, Shellder, etc.) About the falling off part of the Pokédex, if it were to fall off, who's to say it would turn back into our common image of Shellder? It could just stay in that form forever. But we don't, and probably won't ever know. It's just something not ever shown, unfortunately. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
::: Well whatever the case, I think we can all agree this is solved....for now *plays stereotypical dramatic Soap Opera music*

::: But seriously, all we can do as editors and/or fans is try to do our jobs to the best we can with whatever info Nintendo and/or Game Freak gives us. The article isn't perfect, but neither is the info we're stuck with working with but we can still try. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 21:33, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I believe the best criteria to differ major and minor is the new "Forms" button in the Pokédexes. If you open a Pokémon's page, tap the button and something besides Male and Female appears, it has official differing forms. Otherwise, they must be shown, but separately.
::::They could also be differed by the ones that are inherent to the Pokémon (like Burmy and Deoxys) and the ones that are dependant of an Attack or Ability (like Meloetta or Castform). But the first criteria is way better. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 21:51, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::That is a very solid point, and if I could like comments here, I'd like that one. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

== Hide tables ==

I think it's unnecessary to have all those tables in the "In other languages" section exposed. I tried to make it hidable by adding ''class="expandable"'' to each Pokémon, but it didn't work. Can someone help me? [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 05:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:: Ask Jo, she's HTML savvy and I'm sure she'll be able to help and will agree. I also think they look a little ugly out in the open like that [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 05:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I can set it up (although expandable/collapseable code is very weird for some reason), but I don't think it's necessary. They're all at the bottom of the page and out of the way. Something else we might consider is moving them all to each section (so put Sky Forme's IOL section under the "Shaymin" section). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

==Split proposal==
Recently there has been significant expansion of the "Other form differences" section. They really are not form differences, and I suggest that we break them off into a page titled "Variant Pokémon". This would allow all articles in the category {{cat|Variant Pokémon}} as well, including a main article link to this one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:Good idea, it would be good to split, but not to "Variant Pokémon". This term already covers several pages (mainly TCG-related) that depict things that can be applied to ''every'' Pokémon, like {{TCG|Owner's Pokémon|being owned by somebody}}, being a Pokémon-EX or a Shiny, Shining or ☆ Pokémon. I believe that what makes the ones in this article different, is that they have characteristics that no other Pokémon has.
:What about "Physical differences" or "List of Pokémon with physical differences"? [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 06:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
::I still think that the title of "Variant Pokémon" is appropriate, and should cover differences within the Pokémon world, not differences that only exist for TCG mechanics. We could create a "Variant Pokémon (TCG)" category (a lot of TCG stuff does that anyway) then just put in a main article link to that category. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Then, you have my support! [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 06:34, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

== Ditto transforming into Spinda ==

What happens when a Ditto uses transform on a Spinda. Does it copy the Spinda's markings, or does the marking its have generate from its own personality values? Why isn't this mentioned in the article? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 23:53, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
:It copies the Spinda's markings, i. e. its personality value. This isn't mentioned because it's not relevant. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 03:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

== Kami trio abilities/obtaining the Reflecting Mirror ==

There are a few details about the Kami trio's Reijuu Formes that, to the best of my knowledge, are untrue. The first is the bit about hidden abilities. It was my understanding that the Reijuu Formes had the same abilities regardless of where they were obtained, and the hidden abilities were only obtainable by changing the Radar-caught kamis back into Keshin Forme (like how Altered Forme Giratina can have Pressure or Telepathy, but Origin Forme always has Levitate). The second is the part about how to obtain the Reflecting Mirror. It states that a Landorus from the Dream Radar is required to obtain the Mirror. I don't recall anyone ever saying it had to be Landorus specifically; I thought any of the three kamis could be used.

Again, I'm not 100% sure on this which is why I didn't edit the article; I'm only going by what other reliable people (particularly Serebii) have said. If anyone can provide some confirmation either way, it would be appreciated.--'''[[User:Radio Rebel|♪ Radio Rebel ♪]]''' - ''[[User talk:Radio Rebel|Reject the status quo!]]'' 06:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:Landorus is specified in [[a:File:CoroCoroJuly2012Pages40-42.png|this scan]] (top right in the section about the Reflecting Mirror). Not sure specifically where the information about Abilities came from, so I can't check that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

== Kami Trio ==

My {{p|Tornadus}} that I got from Dream Radar had its normal ability, Regenartor. It says on the article that if a Tornadus originated from Dream Radar, it will have its hidden ability. Is this a glitch? My Tornadus is in its Therian form, but it still has its normal ability. I'm not sure whether or not to note this on the article. Has this happened to anyone else? - [[User:Clubchloe1|'''Club''']][[User talk:Clubchloe1|'''chloe1''']] 18:45, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think Therian Forme has Hidden Ability. I guess it applies to normal form. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:47, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
::I'll take your word for it. But isn't Dream Radar the only way to get the Therian formes of the Kami Trio? I know there some kind of item that can change their formes, called the {{tt|Reflector Mirrow|or something like that}}. - [[User:Clubchloe1|'''Club''']][[User talk:Clubchloe1|'''chloe1''']] 18:53, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:::Reveal Glass (you're referring to the old, Japanese name Reflecting Mirror). Yes, it does change from Incarnate to Therian and vice-versa, but I am not sure how precisely it works. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
::::My Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus I got from the Dream Rader don't have their hidden abilities either, and I'm sure the Therian forms have hidden abilities too. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] ([[User talk:Nickvang|talk]]) 17:11, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::Proof? It lists "Hidden:" only for Incarnate formes, not Therian formes. Therian formes have only one Ability listed. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 19:26, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

Do natures and shininess come from Kyurem or from Reshiram/Zekrom when fusing? [[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 21:10, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
:Everything is from Kyurem. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 21:15, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

== Minor points ==

Just a few minor things but:

1.) The article mentions "Normal Rotom" under its Sprite. The Rotom article also mentions "Normal Rotom". It's actually just referred to as "Rotom" in game, and isn't called "Normal Rotom" any more than "Ditto" is referred to as "Normal Ditto". The article has this right on Kyurem, which is also just referred to as "Kyurem".

2.) As far as Castform's forms are concerned, I noticed that some of them have different names in Pokédex 3D Pro in other languages, for example Snowy form's German name is "Schneeform". The article lists it as "Hagel-Form"--I don't know if the article is incorrect, or if the games in German are inconsistent with the Pokédex 3D Pro, in which case I'd wonder if that's worth at least a note of trivia?

3.) Speaking of the Pokédex 3D Pro, I hate to bring up the old Arceus debate back up, but it does list Arceus in 17 separate entries, unlike Genesect or most Pokemon with gender differences which only get one. Perhaps this would also be worth at least a trivia note or something?

[[User:MasterPeteDiddy|MasterPeteDiddy]] ([[User talk:MasterPeteDiddy|talk]]) 04:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

:1.) I agree, feel free to fix it.
:2.) I agree as well, some other official translations should also be added, like "Snow-cloud Form" (TCG).
:3.) I disagree, if Arceus's variations were not referred to as forms, they are not forms. (Basically, "forms" must involve a Pokémon's "shape", colors and types are not enough to fit this article. The only exception is listed and explained in the Trivia section.)
[[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 12:13, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

== Mewtwo ==

Since corocoro officially announced that mewtwo gets a new forme, can we add mewtwo and it's new forme? --[[User:Dragon146|Dragon146]] ([[User talk:Dragon146|talk]]) 19:48, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
:We don't know anything about it, so… no. The above [[User_talk:Spyspotter|comment]] is [[Special:Contributions/Spyspotter|supported]] by [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]]. 03:05, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

== Pokédex 3D Pro ==

Before I share my view, I'd like to say that the Pokédex 3D Pro is the latest and probably most accurate source for the translations. That said, I remember I added many translations for the forms. Not sure if those that are being changed are between them, but the source I used was Pokémon White Version's translations to those languages (I think I used Korean, Japanese and Spanish). I just want to ask if whoever is changing the translations has confirmed if the 3DS software has the same text found in the games. Some Italian and French members of this wiki may check that just to confirm. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 16:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
:I am interested if it matches the Pokédex, and the base forms (e.g. Normal Castform) aren't named in P3D Pro, so those need checking too. P3D Pro doesn't have Korean, Japanese was all correct except Basculin, and Spanish was all correct. It was Italian, French, and a few German names that were wrong (although some I could guess were wrong without even checking due to missing "form"). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 16:30, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

== Xerneas and Kyurem ==

Shouldn't Xerneas' Neutral and Active Modes be listed on this page as well? The in-game Pokédex treats them as separate forms, which Neutral Mode being the "default."

On another note, I mentioned this a while back on Kyurem's page but it is also relevant here; both the in-game Pokédex and Pokédex 3D Pro list Kyurem's forms with White Kyurem coming ''before'' Black Kyurem (in order to replicate the Dex order of Reshiram and Zekrom, I assume), so I think that the articles involving Kyurem should reflect this. Opinions? [[User:Ensephylon|Ensephylon]] ([[User talk:Ensephylon|talk]]) 04:43, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

== Meowstic? ==

Should {{p|Meowstic}} be listed here? Unlike previous Pokémon, Meowstic's gender affects its potential abilities and moves. - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 15:14, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
:It's not a different form though. It's a [[List of Pokémon with gender differences|Gender Difference]]. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:22, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

== Vivillon Patterns ==

Should there be a chart about what country each vivillon form comes from [[User:Grassman|Grass is the best]] ([[User talk:Grassman|talk]]) 01:39, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
:I would be nice to see this, problem is is that some countries have multiple patterns. For example, in the United States the pattern differs state to state. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 01:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
::*I would guess then it would have to be sectioned by region. Since some countries have different regions (in the case of the US, States), it might have to be based on however the game sections the areas. But that's assuming this type of data can be hacked and labeled in such a fashion. :/ But I think it would be a good idea to make if not a chart, at least a list of some kind on what form is found where. (kinda curious what form people in my state would get opposed to another in the same country but distant location, and if they base it off of the region's general climate) ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 22:28, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
:::* for those interested people have complied vivillions/locations here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AnK7UlEL3WjddGw5REdFOV9CWWZ6MFpkRHZxSG5qa0E&toomany=true# [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 09:00, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
::::*We must have this power! But seriously, if there is a format that can be used for an appropriate chart of the forms and locations, that list can at least help with the information. Though I wonder if that would be a credible enough source for people to use. But either way, thanks for the link, Jmvb. ----[[User:NateVirus|NateVirus]]''([[User talk:NateVirus|Talk]]''|''[[Special:Contributions/NateVirus|Contributions]]'') 16:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

== Sprites into artwork ==

Comparing Darmanitan forms still have sprites and needs to turn into artwork. [[User:Cinday123|Cinday123]] ([[User talk:Cinday123|talk]]) 08:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
:Unfortunately Sugimori and Dream World artwork of Darmanitan's Zen Mode doesn't exist, so there's not much we can do about it. '''—★[[User:Reshii|レシイラム]]''''''[[User talk:Reshii|talk]]''' 09:09, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

== AZ's Floette ==

From what I remember seeing in the flashback in Y, when AZ's Floette died and he received its coffin, it had a blackened tulip-like flower on it. This tulip-like flower is presumably the flower it lived on/carried with it. The flower it carries around now after its Resurrection seems to be that same one, albeit dried up and missing petals. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 03:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, that's the flower it had when it was alive. And it's not dried up, just has its petals opened. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 03:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

== Furfrou ==

Furfrou doesn't meet the requirements for this page as its forms do not get registered in the Pokédex, therefore should we move it to [[Variant Pokémon]] with Arceus and Genesect?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] ([[User talk:Jmvb|talk]]) 01:26, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Pokémon with no appearant differences due to its gender are also registered in the Pokédex. I don't think being registered is the sole requirement for being included here.
-[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 12:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

== Variants of Mega Pokémon ==
I am not sure if we should raise this, but the concept of Mega Pokémon is not even there when this page was laid out. -[[User:Iosue|Iosue]] ([[User talk:Iosue|talk]]) 12:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

== Should we lock the article? ==

With ORAS details emerging, and Groudon and Kyogre looking different then their typical self, should we lock this thread to prevent people form adding the two onto the article without evidence? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 21:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

== Male, Female and Cosplay Pikachu ==

I think it will be better if male Pikachu art and female Pikachu sprite will be replaced with Pokemon-Amie screenshot, like a Cosplay Pikachu. [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 15:36, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
::I have another idea : Why not extract all these forms "sprites" from the Pokémon-Amie screenshots we have for Pikachu and the different Cosplay Pikachu forms since we don't have artwork for either Female or Undressed Cosplay Pikachu ? --[[User:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|Wolfy Harfleur 76700]] ([[User talk:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|talk]]) 21:07, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Because, in my opinion, official arts have higher priority than sprites or screenshots, so we should use them when possible. [[User:Asmod96|Asmod96]] ([[User talk:Asmod96|talk]]) 22:50, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
::::Yet we don't have any official art neither for Female nor Cosplay Pikachu. That's exactly the problem. --[[User:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|Wolfy Harfleur 76700]] ([[User talk:Wolfy Harfleur 76700|talk]]) 15:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

== Ash's Greninja ==

Although it has not evolved, should we still add Ash Greninja form for Ash's Greninja as it has been shown on the US website? [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 18:37, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:Unless it appears in the games I don't even see a reason to add it here at all. We know next to know about it anyway. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 01:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Well Zygarde's Formes are listed, and those aren't confirmed either. We should at least consider giving Ash-Greninja a section under "Variant Pokémon".--User: Charmeleon2495
:Unless it was explained more in the episode that it just debuted in, we still don't know if this is a form difference, or more like a type of mega evolution. So we should not add it to either of those places until it is known for certain what it is classified as. For now, it should be fine just having a section on [[Ash's Greninja]]'s page to detail it. [[User:ChE clarinetist|ChE clarinetist]] ([[User talk:ChE clarinetist|talk]]) 23:28, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::Ash Greninja seems more like it belongs on the [[Variant Pokémon]] page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 04:01, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
::: But since it is a normal Greninja, i don't see it being a variant, it gains new power when the bond reaches max, like mega evolution but without Key stone and a Mega Stone, also it is dubbed as Ash-Greninja, cause it is the only known version after the village Greninja occurred more than 100 years ago. Variant Pokémon don't gain new power or revert back to their original form, right ? [[User:Upratik 12|Pratik_12]] '' [[User talk:Upratik 12|Talk]]'' 05:06, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

== Contradiction,i think...? ==

Arceus is said on this page to only be able to learn draco meteor while holding draco plate,but draco meteor's page said that it can learn the move regardless of the plate it's holding. There's an asterisk over draco meteor's name on arceus' "by tutoring" list but I can't check it with my damn phone... Can anyone clear the confusion (even for people who can check the asterisk)? Sorry for the trouble. [[User:Fiky f|Fiky f]] ([[User talk:Fiky f|talk]]) 09:10, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
:Fixed. Arceus can only learn Draco Meteor while it is holding the Draco Plate. The asterisk just says "With Draco Plate". --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen★]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 04:10, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

== Alola Forms ==

I would assume that Alola forms would fall under this category, so would someone be able to add them? [[User:Jigglypoof21|Jigglypoof21]] ([[User talk:Jigglypoof21|talk]]) 00:52, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
:We don't know enough about them yet to add a section, and more than likely they would get their own page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:46, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
::Scratch that. They are already over at the [[Variant Pokémon#Alola Form Pokémon|Variant Pokémon]] page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:48, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

== Pichu ==
Shouldn't [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon with in-game effects#Pikachu-colored Pichu|Pikachu-colored Pichu]] be added? [[User:Lokki|Lokki]] ([[User talk:Lokki|talk]]) 16:47, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
:It's just a {{Shiny}} event Pichu. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 16:53, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

== Silvally ==

Why isn't {{p|Silvally}} mentioned here? It's like {{p|Arceus}}, and Arceus is here. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 06:38, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

HM

2016-10-28T10:57:03Z

PartHunter: /* Intro */ Note their non-presence in Sun and Moon. This is confirmed, as in addition to the demo's renaming of the bag pocket, this was stated in an interview. Note capacity to learn the moves in other ways, as Wishiwashi used Surf in a trailer.

[[File:Fly OW.png|thumb|250px|HM moves, like {{m|Fly}}, have effects outside of battle]]
[[File:RG HM.png|thumb|250px|HM artwork for {{game|Red and Green|s}}]]
A '''Hidden Machine''' (Japanese: '''ひでんマシン''' ''Secret Machine''), '''HM''' for short, is an item that, like a [[TM]], is used to teach a Pokémon a move.

The difference between a TM and an HM is most pronounced in the earlier games in the series, where TMs were single-use items while HMs could be used an unlimited amount of times after they were obtained, and unlike TMs could not be tossed or sold for money. Additionally, the moves contained within an HM cannot be forgotten by Pokémon under normal circumstances. An HM move can be used in the field by a Pokémon even if the Pokémon has fainted during battle or has run out of {{PP}} (using it in the field does not consume PP).

All HM moves have the ability to be used outside of battle in the games they are HMs in, though a move's ability to be used outside of battle does not mean that it is necessarily an HM move. Except for Generation V, specific [[Badge]]s must be obtained by the player before they can use an HM move outside of battle to advance the game's storyline.

A Pokémon knowing an HM move cannot be sent forward from [[Generation III]] to [[Generation IV]] or from Generation IV to [[Generation V]] unless the HM move is removed (via [[Move Deleter]]). {{m|Dive}} prevents sending forward from {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}} despite not being considered an HM by those games, while {{m|Defog}} and {{m|Whirlpool}} only prevent Pokémon being sent forward from the games they are an HM in. Pokémon with Whirlpool can freely be sent into {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}} from Generation III, while Pokémon with Dive can freely be sent into Generation V games. In Generation V, Pokémon knowing an HM move cannot be traded via [[infrared]] communications if they are in the player's [[party]], to prevent a player from potentially becoming stuck somewhere that requires an HM move to escape.

Unlike in previous inter-generational transfers, Pokémon sent from Generation V to [[Generation VI]] that know HM moves do not require these moves to be deleted. Pokémon that know HM moves can also be freely deposited and withdrawn from [[Pokémon Bank]].

HMs will not be present in {{game|Sun and Moon|s}}, having been replaced by the [[Poké Ride]] feature for field navigation. Pokémon will be able to learn the moves through other methods.

==Generation I==
In Generation I, five of the 165 moves are HM moves, of which three ({{m|Cut}}, {{m|Surf}}, and {{m|Strength}}) are required for completing the game. Of these five, four of them remain as HM moves even through [[Generation VI]], while the fifth, {{m|Flash}}, retains the ability to be used outside of battle (to light dark caves in [[Generation V]], or reduce encounters with wild Pokémon in Generation VI).

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[S.S. Anne]]
| [[File:Cascade Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Cascade}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| {{rt|16|Kanto}}
| [[File:Thunder Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Thunder}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| {{safari|Kanto}}
| [[File:Soul Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Soul}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Fuchsia City]]
| [[File:Rainbow Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rainbow}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Normal|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Flash|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{rt|2|Kanto}}
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Boulder Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Boulder}}
|}

None of these moves are able to be forgotten in Generation I, and a Pokémon with these moves cannot be raised by the [[Pokémon Day Care]] on {{rt|5|Kanto}}. Unlike in later generations, all of these moves must be selected from the Pokémon screen to be used.

==Generation II==
In Generation II two new moves become HMs. The five HMs from Generation I return, while a new move, {{m|Whirlpool}}, becomes an HM, and an old move, {{m|Waterfall}}, becomes another HM.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Ilex Forest]]
| [[File:Hive Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Hive}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| [[Cianwood City]]
| [[File:Storm Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Storm}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Ecruteak City]]
| [[File:Fog Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Fog}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Olivine City]]
| [[File:Plain Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Plain}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| {{mcolor|Flash|000}}
| [[Sprout Tower]]
| [[File:Zephyr Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Zephyr}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| {{mcolor|Whirlpool|000}}
| [[Team Rocket HQ|Rocket Hideout]]
| [[File:Glacier Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Glacier}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Water|HM07}} {{color2|000|HM07}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | [[Ice Path]]
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Rising Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rising}}
|}

A [[Move Deleter]] was added to the games, mostly with the intention of making possible the ability to delete {{cat|Generation II moves}} that a {{cat|Generation I Pokémon}} had learned in order to be able to trade it back, though with the side effect of HM moves now being able to be forgotten.

From this generation on, Pokémon with HM moves are allowed in the Day Care, and fathers with HM moves will pass the moves down to their children as they would a TM move. HM moves can also be used just by checking the obstacle that the HM will clear, such as {{m|surf}}able water or a movable rock.

==Generation III==
===Hoenn===
In Hoenn one of the Generation II HMs lost its status, while another two moves became HMs, raising the number of HMs to eight.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Rustboro City]]
| [[File:Stone Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Stone}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| {{rt|119|Hoenn}}
| [[File:Feather Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Feather}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Petalburg City]]
| [[File:Balance Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Balance}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Rusturf Tunnel]]
| [[File:Heat Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Heat}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| {{mcolor|Flash|000}}
| [[Granite Cave]]
| [[File:Knuckle Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Knuckle}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Fighting|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| {{mcolor|Rock Smash|000}}
| [[Mauville City]]
| [[File:Dynamo Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Dynamo}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! rowspan="2" | {{bag|HM Water|HM07}} {{color2|000|HM07}}
| rowspan="2" | {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| [[Cave of Origin]]{{sup/3|RS}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Rain Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rain}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[Sootopolis City]]{{sup/3|E}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Water|HM08}} {{color2|000|HM08}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Dive|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | [[Mossdeep City]]
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Mind Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Mind}}
|}

===Kanto===
In Kanto, due to a lack of use for {{m|Dive}}, HM08 is unobtainable and can only be accessed through [[cheating]]. The first five HMs can be acquired through the same methods as in Generation I, while HM06 and HM07 can be found in the [[Sevii Islands]] later in the game.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[S.S. Anne]]
| [[File:Cascade Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Cascade}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| {{rt|16|Kanto}}
| [[File:Thunder Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Thunder}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]]
| [[File:Soul Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Soul}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Fuchsia City]]
| [[File:Rainbow Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rainbow}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| {{mcolor|Flash|000}}
| {{rt|2|Kanto}}
| [[File:Boulder Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Boulder}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Fighting|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| {{mcolor|Rock Smash|000}}
| {{DL|Kindle Road|Ember Spa}}
| [[File:Marsh Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Marsh}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Water|HM07}} {{color2|000|HM07}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | [[Icefall Cave]]
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Volcano Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Volcano}}
|}

==Generation IV==
===Sinnoh===
In Sinnoh, for the first time, one of the original HMs lost its status to a new move, while HM08 was brought back as a different move.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Eterna City]]
| [[File:Forest Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Forest}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| [[Veilstone City]]
| [[File:Cobble Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Cobble}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! rowspan="2" | {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| rowspan="2" | {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| rowspan="2" | [[Celestic Town]]
| [[File:Relic Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Relic}}{{sup/4|DP}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[File:Fen Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Fen}}{{sup/4|Pt}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! rowspan="2" | {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| rowspan="2" | {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Lost Tower]]{{sup/4|DP}}
| rowspan="2" | [[File:Mine Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Mine}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[Iron Island]]{{sup/4|Pt}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! rowspan="2" | {{bag|HM Flying|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| rowspan="2" | {{mcolor|Defog|000}}
| [[Great Marsh]]{{sup/4|DP}}
| [[File:Fen Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Fen}}{{sup/4|DP}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
| [[Solaceon Ruins]]{{sup/4|Pt}}
| [[File:Relic Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Relic}}{{sup/4|Pt}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Fighting|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| {{mcolor|Rock Smash|000}}
| [[Oreburgh Gate]]
| [[File:Coal Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Coal}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM07}} {{color2|000|HM07}}
| {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| [[Sunyshore City]]
| [[File:Beacon Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Beacon}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Normal|HM08}} {{color2|000|HM08}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Rock Climb|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{rt|217|Sinnoh}}
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Icicle Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Icicle}}
|}

===Johto and Kanto===
Defog lost its HM status in Johto for the return of {{m|Whirlpool}}; all other HMs retained their status from the prior Sinnoh games.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Ilex Forest]]
| [[File:Hive Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Hive}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| [[Cianwood City]]
| [[File:Storm Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Storm}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Ecruteak City]]
| [[File:Fog Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Fog}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| {{rt|42|Johto}}
| [[File:Plain Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Plain}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| {{mcolor|Whirlpool|000}}
| [[Team Rocket HQ]]
| [[File:Glacier Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Glacier}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Fighting|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| {{mcolor|Rock Smash|000}}
| {{rt|36|Johto}}
| [[File:Zephyr Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Zephyr}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM07}} {{color2|000|HM07}}
| {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| [[Ice Path]]
| [[File:Rising Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rising}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Normal|HM08}} {{color2|000|HM08}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Rock Climb|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | [[Pallet Town]]
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Earth Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Earth}}
|}

==Generation V==
HMs were reduced to six in Generation V; HM07 and HM08 no longer exist in the coding of {{game|Black and White|s}}. Dive returns for use in Unova. This generation marks the first time that HM moves do not require Gym Badges for use outside of battle. Although most HM moves cannot be obtained before earning certain Gym Badges, if the player obtains a Pokémon that has learned an HM move through other means (via [[Level|level-up]], [[Trade|trading]], etc.) the player will be able to use the HM in the field without restrictions.

When a move is replaced by an HM, the HM move takes on the current PP of the replaced move until [[Pokémon Center|healed]] or [[Ether|replenished]]. The same also applies for replacing old moves with TMs.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Location found
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Striaton City]]{{sup/5|BW}}
[[Virbank City]] {{sup/5|B2W2}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| [[Driftveil City]] {{sup/5|BW}}
[[Unova Route 5|Route 5]] {{sup/5|B2W2}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Twist Mountain]] {{sup/5|BW}}
[[Unova Route 6|Route 6]] {{sup/5|B2W2}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Nimbasa City]] {{sup/5|BW}}
[[Castelia Sewers]] {{sup/5|B2W2}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| {{rt|18|Unova}}{{sup/5|BW}}
{{OBP|Victory Road|Black 2 and White 2}}{{sup/5|B2W2}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Water|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Dive|000}}
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[Undella Town]]
|}

==Generation VI==
HMs have returned to requiring a Badge to use them.

When a move is replaced by an HM, the HM move takes on the current PP of the replaced move until [[Pokémon Center|healed]] or [[Ether|replenished]]. The same also applies for replacing old moves with TMs.

===Kalos===
HMs were reduced to five in Kalos, with HM06 being removed. The HMs are the same as Generation V.

Though {{m|Rock Smash}} is not an HM, it can still be used outside of battle, unlike in Generation V.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal VI|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Parfum Palace]]
| [[File:Bug Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Bug}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying VI|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| [[Coumarine City]]
| [[File:Plant Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Plant}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water VI|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Shalour City]]
| [[File:Rumble Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rumble}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal VI|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| [[Cyllage City]]
| [[File:Cliff Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Cliff}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Water VI|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{rt|19|Kalos}}
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Iceberg Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Iceberg}}
|}

===Hoenn===
HMs were increased to seven in Hoenn. {{m|Rock Smash}} and {{m|Dive}} regained their HM status.

{| class="roundy" style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color}}; border:2px solid #{{TMs and HMs color dark}}; text-align:center"
|-
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | HM
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Move
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}" | Location found
! style="background:#{{TMs and HMs color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Badge required
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal VI|HM01}} {{color2|000|HM01}}
| {{mcolor|Cut|000}}
| [[Rustboro City]]
| [[File:Stone Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Stone}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Flying VI|HM02}} {{color2|000|HM02}}
| {{mcolor|Fly|000}}
| {{rt|119|Hoenn}}
| [[File:Feather Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Feather}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water VI|HM03}} {{color2|000|HM03}}
| {{mcolor|Surf|000}}
| [[Petalburg City]]
| [[File:Balance Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Balance}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Normal VI|HM04}} {{color2|000|HM04}}
| {{mcolor|Strength|000}}
| {{rt|112|Hoenn}}
| [[File:Heat Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Heat}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Water VI|HM05}} {{color2|000|HM05}}
| {{mcolor|Waterfall|000}}
| [[Sootopolis Gym]]
| [[File:Rain Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Rain}}
|- style="background:#FFF"
! {{bag|HM Fighting VI|HM06}} {{color2|000|HM06}}
| {{mcolor|Rock Smash|000}}
| [[Mauville City]]
| [[File:Dynamo Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Dynamo}}
|-
! style="background:#FFF; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{bag|HM Water VI|HM07}} {{color2|000|HM07}}
| style="background:#FFF" | {{mcolor|Dive|000}}
| style="background:#FFF" | [[Mossdeep City]]
| style="background:#FFF; {{roundybr|5px}}" | [[File:Mind Badge.png|40px]] {{Badge|Mind}}
|}

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:HM Cut artwork.png|Artwork of Cut
File:HM Fly artwork.png|Artwork of Fly
File:HM Surf artwork.png|Artwork of Surf
File:HM Strength artwork.png|Artwork of Strength
File:HM Flash artwork.png|Artwork of Flash
File:HM Whirlpool artwork.png|Artwork of Whirlpool
File:HM Waterfall artwork.png|Artwork of Waterfall
File:HM Rock Smash artwork.png|Artwork of Rock Smash
File:HM Dive artwork.png|Artwork of Dive
File:HM Defog artwork.png|Artwork of Defog
File:HM Rock Climb artwork.png|Artwork of Rock Climb
</gallery>

==In the anime==
[[File:Hidden Machine PO.png|220px|thumb|HM01 in Pokémon Origins]]
===In Pokémon Origins===
{{HM|01|Cut}} made an appearance in the [[Pokémon Origins]] episode ''[[PO02|File 2: Cubone]]''. Much like in {{game|Red and Blue|s}}, it was given to {{OBP|Red|Origins}} by the captain of [[S.S. Anne]] after helping him recover from his seasickness.
{{right clear}}

==In the manga==
[[File:Hidden Machine Adventures.png|thumb|140px|HM03 in Pokémon Adventures]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
In ''[[PS024|What a Dragonite]]'', {{adv|Red}} was revealed to have already obtained {{HM|01|Cut}} for his [[Saur|Ivysaur]], {{HM|04|Strength}} for his [[Snor]]lax, and {{HM|05|Flash}} for his [[Pika]]chu, one of which he had won in a [[bicycle|bike]] race in ''[[PS012|Wake Up—You're Snorlax!]]''. When he tried to get his hands on {{HM|03|Surf}}, he ran into some trouble with a wild {{p|Dragonite}}, eventually leading to the Hidden Machine getting destroyed. To help him, [[Misty]] gave Red her [[Gyara]]dos [[Trade|in exchange]] for his {{p|Krabby}}, since it already knew Surf.

It was also revealed that {{adv|Blue}} had found HM03 before Red, fueling the young Trainer's determination of finding it too.

===In the Pokémon Zensho manga===
In ''[[PZ04|Vermilion City]]'', after defeating [[Lt. Surge]], {{Zensho|Satoshi}} received the HM for Cut from the captain of S.S. Anne, whom he had met earlier.
{{-}}

==Trivia==
* {{m|Rock Smash}} is the only HM with a unique type. All other HM moves share their type with at least one other HM move.
* [[Tracey's Scyther]] is the first Pokémon belonging to a main character of the anime to have used a current HM move, {{m|Cut}}. It wasn't until the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}} that one of {{Ash}}'s Pokémon used a current HM move; [[Ash's Grotle]] used {{m|Rock Climb}}.
** Although debatable, other Pokémon may have used {{m|Surf}}, {{m|Dive}}, and {{m|Fly}} throughout the anime; although, they were not directly ordered to use the move.
* The only current HM moves that are able to be learned by Pokémon by level-up are {{m|Fly}} and {{m|Waterfall}}. Former HMs {{m|Flash}}, {{m|Whirlpool}}, {{m|Defog}}, {{m|Rock Smash}}, {{m|Rock Climb}}, and {{m|Dive}}, are also learnable by level, but only since their loss of HM status. Moves that regain their HM status, like Whirlpool and Dive did, remain learnable by level-up. Waterfall remains the only HM move that has been learnable by level-up since it was introduced as a move, prior to gaining HM status.
* In Generation IV, all moves that were at one time an HM are learnable, with Flash being available by [[TM70]] and Dive being available by [[Move Tutor]]. Defog and Whirlpool, which replace each other in the [[Sinnoh]]- and [[Johto]]-based games, are both HM05.
** [[Generation IV]] is the only generation in which two moves share the same HM number.
* HM moves have so far been only of the {{t|Flying}}, {{t|Fighting}}, {{t|Water}}, and {{t|Normal}} types.
* In {{game2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}, on {{rt|20|Kanto}}, Swimmer Lori states "{{m|Surf}} is no longer the only HM move you use in water" when she is defeated. This is a reference to [[Generation I]], where the only HM usable in the water was Surf.
* In the core series, the only ways to delete an HM move are through the [[Move Deleter]] and the [[Pokémon Day Care]]. However, the move can be deleted by normal means in a game in which it is not taught through an HM.
* The first four HMs, {{m|Cut}}, {{m|Fly}}, {{m|Surf}}, and {{m|Strength}}, have existed in every main-series Pokémon game.
* The {{badge|Mineral}} of Johto is the only Badge, prior to [[Generation V]], which does not enable the use of an HM in any game it is present in.
* {{m|Dive}} is the only HM in Generation V that is not found in a different location between {{game|Black and White|s|Black and White}} and {{game|Black and White|s 2|Black 2 and White 2}}.

==In other languages==
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|de=Versteckte Maschine (VM)
|fr=Capsule Secrète (CS)
|it=Macchina Nascosta (MN)
|ko=비전머신 ''Secret Machine''
|es=Máquina Oculta (MO)
|sv=Gömd maskin
|vi=Cỗ máy bí truyền
}}

==See also==
* [[TM]]
* [[HM slave]]

{{TM and HM locations}}
{{Mystery Dungeon items}} 
{{Project Moves and Abilities notice}}

[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Equipment]]
[[Category:HMs|*]]
[[Category:Terminology]]
[[Category:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon items]]

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[[zh:秘传技学习器]]

Totem Pokémon

2016-10-27T03:46:16Z

PartHunter: Add a sentence explaining that the aura boosts a stat and does this by increasing it by one stage at the start of the battle. If there's a link template for a link I added, I didn't know about that template.

[[File:SM Prerelease SOS Battle.png|thumb|A Totem Gumshoos and a called Yungoos]]
'''Totem Pokémon''' (Japanese: '''ぬしポケモン''' ''Leader Pokémon'') are special Pokémon that are battled at the end of a particular [[island challenge]] trial. These Pokémon are larger than other Pokémon of the same species and are enveloped in a special aura. This aura boosts a specific [[statistic|stat]] by giving it a one [[statistic#Stat_modifiers|stage]] boost at the start of the battle. Totem Pokémon are battled in [[SOS Battle]]s which allows them to summon an ally to help.

==Totem Pokémon==
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{alola color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{alola color}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Island
! style="background:#{{alola color light}};" | Location
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}" | Totem Pokémon
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}" | Aura
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Ally Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
| rowspan=2 | [[Melemele Island]]
| rowspan=2 | [[Verdant Cavern]]
| [[File:Gumshoos.png|120px|Gumshoos]] {{p|Gumshoos}}{{sup/7|S}}
| +{{stat|Defense}}
| [[File:Yungoos.png|120px|Yungoos]] {{p|Yungoos}}{{sup/7|S}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:020Raticate-Alola.png|120px|Alolan Raticate]] {{p|Raticate|Alolan Raticate}}{{sup/7|M}}
| +{{stat|Defense}}
| [[File:019Rattata-Alola.png|120px|Alolan Rattata]] {{p|Rattata|Alolan Rattata}}{{sup/7|M}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[Akala Island]]
| [[Lush Jungle]]
| [[File:Lurantis.png|120px|Lurantis]] {{p|Lurantis}}
| Unknown
| Unknown
|- style="background:#fff"
| Unknown
| Unknown
| [[File:Wishiwashi-School.png|120px|Wishiwashi]] {{p|Wishiwashi}} ([[List of Pokémon with form differences#Wishiwashi|School Form]])
| Unknown
| Unknown
|}

===[[Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon Special Demo Version]]===
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #{{alola color dark}}; border: 5px solid #{{alola color}}"
|-
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Island
! style="background:#{{alola color light}};" | Location
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}" | Totem Pokémon
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}" | Aura
! style="background:#{{alola color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Ally Pokémon
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[Melemele Island]]
| [[Ten Carat Hill]]
| [[File:Hakamo-o.png|120px|Hakamo-o]] {{p|Hakamo-o}}
| +{{stat|Special Defense|Sp. Defense}}
| [[File:Rockruff.png|120px|Rockruff]] {{p|Rockruff}}
|}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{alola color}}|bordercolor={{alola color dark}}
|zh_yue=霸主寶可夢 ''Bajyú Pokémon''
|zh_cmn=霸主寶可夢 / 霸主宝可梦 ''Bàzhǔ Pokémon''
|fr=Pokémon Dominant
|de=Herrscher-Pokémon
|it=Pokémon dominante
|ko=주인 포켓몬 ''Ju-in Pokémon''
|pt=Pokémon Totem
|ru=Покемон-Тотем ''Pokémon-Totem''
|es=Pokémon dominante
}}
{{-}}
{{Project Games notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon Sun and Moon]]
[[Category:Variant Pokémon]]

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[[it:Pokémon dominante]]
[[zh:霸主寶可夢]]

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 2

2016-10-26T01:27:34Z

PartHunter: /* Shiny event */

==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from October 13, 2006 – December 13, 2008)

== Hmmm.... ==

Is the color and box from the Tutoring Moveset (I think) supposed to be expanding past the sprite box? I see the Rock type stuff, if that matters. (No, I don't think it is my browser, other Pokémon's pages are still fine) [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:I have fixed it stop the problem was that he closed the time, not the tutor box stop[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Out of intrest==

Has anyone tried to see if Arceus' ??? type forme is in PBR? [[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:And possibly in Platinum, as well? In a method other than cheating? --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 20:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Instead of fanart
...shouldn't we use something OFFICIAL
even if its just a PBR screenshot, or a sprite
--[[User:LilRed|LilRed]] 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:The fanart fulfills our needs best. Besides, the official artwork is only a couple of months away now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::If they'll release an official artwork of Arceus, does it mean that Arceus is officially released also?[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, this is what it would seem like. It's predicted to be released at a similar time to the next movie. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::::How on Earth did whoever drew that picture get it so perfect when the sprite is so tiny? They must have got something wrong surely? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 19:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes, the artist, Seyanni, did get several details wrong from what we now know about the features of Arceus. First of all, the face has two lines running across it, not just one. There are grey triangles on the inside of each of its legs, and the red parts of its eyes have black slits, like Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. In addition, the wheel is more pointed and the green circles he/she drew are actually gems. So, really, like I've said before, this fanart is far from accurate, but now there's really no need to replace it (though I've given the site several months to use my own artwork (http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Arceus-Final-106548360), which is, of course, more accurate) when Arceus is set to be revealed on the 15th (with a leak anywhere from the 12th to the 14th). (Of course, the Pokémon set to be revealed could also be something else.) [[User:Xous|Xous]] 18:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Reveal ==

Looking at Darkrai and Shaymin's, it seems that the reveal will be just around February 14, 2009. Isn't that convenient. So I'd like to notify you all... don't bother with it until then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it is expected to be leaked today, and officially revealed on January 19.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 13:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:Listen to the Editor-in-Chief. Don't bother until the reveal. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 13:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And TTE is right. I think he has psychic abilities. -[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 19:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type Explanation Doesn't Make Sense ==

One of our members brought up a good point about the explanation (in this article) about why Nintendo put the ??? Arceus in the game. We think that it was put in because Nintendo's code for Multitype required a sprite to be filled for every single type. This is our best guess, and I certainly think it's more plausible than "preventing game crashes for hackers." Hackers can crash the game quite easily otherwise - why would they prevent it in one way when we can do it in a thousand other ways? Remember, Nintendo doesn't care for or even acknowledge hackers. -[[User:Coolbho3000|Coolbho3000]] 00:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:Following that logic, why put a vestigial Safari Zone in GSC? Why make it harder to access MissingNo in Yellow and impossible in FrLg? Like it or not, Nintendo has put many things in for the purpose of preventing crashes. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 04:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
::The Safari Zone in G/S/C was there because it was originally supposed to be in there, but they decided later not to include it. And Missingno. was excluded from later games because it was a glitch that was accessible without cheats. They took it out for the same reason that they hire game testers: they want their games to be as glitch-free as possible. And it did cause crashes, but it could be accessed without cheats, unlike the ???-type Arceus. I agree with Coolbho.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 13:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprite. ==

It doesn't change for me. It's just the regular Arceus. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:you maam are using Internet Explorer. that is an animated .png, which your browser does not support. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::Don't you think that's a little unfair for people who prefer to user IE? What's wrong with just using a gif file? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::lesser quality. take it up with TTE. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::You should use Firefox. D: -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I have used it and I hated it. It made my computer move incredibly slow. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::How many addons did you give it? That's usually what kills it. I mean, mine's running using 118,784K, next most is Windows Explorer with not even 10% of that much. It's a given with the 13 extensions I have for it... Anyway, Opera's most recent release supports anipngs too, or so I've heard. Given, I plan to make ''that'' specific spritecycle a gif again, since the whole point of that is to animate. Other anipngs you don't lose much with them being not animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Google chrome doesn't accept anipngs, and firefox takes an age to start up for me. I also hate IE. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|f80|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|f80|Ori}}{{Colored link|User:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|08f|gami}}''' 11:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: It works on opera just fine, Who uses IE nowadays anyway? And Mozilla's slow.... too slow.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Anyway, I recommend you try Opera, if you haven't done so. It's light, fast, simple to use, secure, stable, complete and free so you don't have to worry. And it'll still work with Windows 98. XD Besides, it's MS's fault for not giving better support for web standards 'cause it's "cooler" to use their own. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type arceus existance ==

If anyone can hack platinum and try changing arceus' type to ???-type and it appears then its existance is official, anybody care and try?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have the sprite. That's all the proof you need. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 14:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry, forgot about that. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== origin ==

there is a legend in arab myths that says that god created a horse from the north wind and it was the frist being on earth, arceus is a horse and the first Pokémon in existance, should we add this to the origin part in the article?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:That seems more like an origin for Suicune, because of the north wind bit... Though Suicune isn't a horse. I don't know, it might be a legitimate origin.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Arceus reminds me of the andalites from the animorphs books except it only has two eyes and no arms or tail. However in the movie it can speak with telepathy. Did any one else notice the similarities or am I just insane?--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 17:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== ... ==

I saw this likely vandalism in the tivia section:

At level 80, Arceus is the second highest level non-glitch Pokémon available for capture. The highest is Magikarp which can be caught at level 100 in Pokémon Platinum. It is, however, still the highest level legendary Pokémon available for capture.

I am hoping this is a joke or vandalism.

[[User:Alakazam 2|Alakazam 2]]

:Check {{p|Magikarp}}'s article. It's a legit piece of trivia. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 07:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

==Official Art==
Here we have it, Sugimori's Art for it, taken directly from the site.
<img>http://www.pokemon.co.jp/export/sites/default/special/arcus/img/arcus_01.jpg</img>--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 02:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:http://i42.tinypic.com/23s8bon.png Is that acceptable? I got it from the Japanese site. I know, it's a bit small.. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 02:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::the official image is already on the page. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::OIC. I posted the wrong image, though. Twas an anime art. D: ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|Ke]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|vz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|o8]]''' 10:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::PokéBeach has cut out all of the arts, including the official art, but WPM has requested that nobody use that art.
--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::: Is their any artwork for the other types, or just Normal typed Arceus?[[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 22:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
New artwork (actually biggest):[[File:493Arceus DP anime 2.png|thumb|200px]]--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 01:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

==U.S. Reveal==

Since the page is locked, can one of the mods make a note about how it has not been revealed in the U.S., and probably won't be until early next year. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:That's Anime art. Official Art is similar to it's Platinum Sprite.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 03:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::What does that have to do with my post? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I'll answer. That's not necessary to say. Besides, it's speculation. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Type-change grammar ==

Due to the special coding for Multitype, if the page changes to Electric or Ice, the grammar in the article becomes incorrect, displaying as "a Electric-type" or "a Ice-type". Since I have no idea how the coding works, and the fact that the page is protected anyway, would it be possible for someone to fix that bit of grammar on the Zap and Icicle versions of the page?

A minor error, but an error nonetheless. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for fixing it, TTE. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 04:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Just realized the same grammar error is on this talk page... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:Should be fixed now... [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Typer effectiveness box for ??? type ==

Considering the the ??? type can show up at random on this page should a type effectiveness box show up for it too? [[User:Jmvb|Jmvb]] 16:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:I guess I could do it. I don't know the numbers though, ar all types just normal effective?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::??? has no strengths and weaknesses; all types are normal. Learned this from {{m|Weather Ball}} and {{m|Shadow Sky}}. [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 16:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Just remembered that the page is protected so I can't actually change it. LOL!--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 18:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Don't bother. One, there's no way to access ??? Arceus, so it doesn't matter, and two, the type effectiveness of anything against the ???-type is NORMAL DAMAGE. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==Arceus to be in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky!==

Hi everybody, I just got information from Serebii.net today confirming Arceus will appear in the game as well as several other things as well. So the '''In Side Games''' section you can put that Arceus will make it's Mystery Dungeon debut in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 19:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1
:Unfortunately, it only appears as a statue and can't actually be encountered or recruited.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== English Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry. ==

The anglish Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry has been confirmed as ''"It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world. "'' May someone edit the page to include this? [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Talk page glitch ==

I noticed when Arceus' page is ???-Type, the message on the top of the page says "DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A NORMAL-TYPE! It just IS!", incorrectly... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's because it changes on the second you access the page. Since you accessed the talk page on a different second than the article, it's different. If you go on the page and wait ''exactly'' 18 seconds (or a multiple thereof) then check here it should be good.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== US Platinum dex entry/page unlock ==

Can someone ''please'' unlock the page so that the English ''Platinum'' Dex entry can be added? And why was it even locked in the first place? [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:Because of the upcoming movie and some impatient users. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::I you want, you can just add the entry here so that once admins are around, they could place it in the article. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 12:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Someone already posted the Dex entry above me, but I guess I'll just copypaste it: ''It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.'' And yes, I would want an admin to put it in if it's going to remain locked until the movie's release. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 12:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Done. Thanks guys for noticing this. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

== Protected ==

Why is this page protected?--[[User:Tmwps|Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales]] 10:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough* [[Movie 12]] *cough* '''[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]''' 10:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Event Moves ==

Should the Event Moves (Spacial Rend, Roar of Time, Shadow Force) be added to its moveset? It knows these at Level 100 at the Japanese event this summer. {{unsigned|JacobCrystal}}

== Should we insert the Movie Arceus event? ==

I mean, Corocoro had already revealed that there is going to be an event in HGSS unlocked by Movie Arceus where the player can choose a Level 1 Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. I think it should be worth noting that they should mention this in this article. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

Hey guys, an idea had just sprouted in my head. The name might also come from the latin verb ''arceo'', which roughly translates to "I watch from a distance".
/[[User:Ziemniax|Ziemniax]]
:Actually, that word means "enclose". But it could still be a name origin, since Arceus was enclosed in the Hall of Origin.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 14:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Both of you are right. if it has a long e then it means "I watch from a distane" but a short e means "enclose"--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 17:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus catch Trivia ==
As a point in the trivia I think it should be mentioned that Arceus is the only trio master (as of yet and i suspect always will be) not catchable by typical in-game mechanics instead needing to obtain an item solely distributed by a Nintendo event. All others are obtainable in their original generations via typical methods (i.e. just a simple in-game event or simply trading from a complimentary version) rather than and individual physically having to go to a Nintendo event to receive an item that cannot be obtained in games. I'm sorry if this point seems to sound redundant but I'm not sure if everyone will understand what I mean. -- [[User:D558|D558]] 06:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:Psh, who says you have to go outside? You can WFC the Azure Flute... eventually... presumably... likely... in the future. But yes, that's a good point. Do it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::I dunno if the page is protected or if my ability to edit pages has been taken away but I can't add this trivia... I guess i'll have to wait until it is unprotected or someone else will have to state this fact -- [[User:D558|D558]] 18:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to have playable MP3 files to get Pokemon cries? I'm getting confused as to what Arceus' sounds like, because the text box says ''Dodogyuuun!'' and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcHrs4MXuzQ this movie]] has mediocre sound graphics and sounds like a hi-pitched vibrating and '''''Ayeayeaye!''''' - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] ([[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Giratina's_Embodiment|contribs]])'' 19:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:I think Filb.de has them. I had all the Sinnoh ones at one point, but I may have deleted them when iTunes tried to be stupid with them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/cries/493.mp3 Have a ball.] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus infobox at the top of this page ==

Shouldn't this be in the article instead? What is it doing here? -- [[User:Socob|Socob]] ( [[User_talk:Socob|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Socob|Contribs]] ) 13:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:TTE found them too distracting for the articles. Here it's mostly a warning not to ask why Arceus is {{arceustype}}.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::I see. It does seem to be kind of messed up, too. -- [[User:Socob|Socob]] ( [[User_talk:Socob|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Socob|Contribs]] ) 12:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== HGSS Overworld ==

Isn't that cool if the page have the HGSS overworld?, other pokemon too {{unsigned|Arceus Vs Dragon Trio}}
:These will most likely be included somehow; we just need to work out where. It's been what, a day? Give us some time to get the images first. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Name ==

Apparently (due to the Austrailian trailer floating around the Internets) Arceus's name is pronouced ARK-eus. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 13:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
:There are so many pronunciations out there that Bulbapedia doesn't keep track of them. In the past there have been discrepancies between the anime and the "official" books, and even between multiple episodes of the anime. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

== 1000 arms??? ==

umm... just wondering...why does the Pokédex entry say that it has 1000 arms? I was looking at it and it has four hooves, no arms? Isn't it kind of weird to say it has 1000 arms and then when you see it it has no arms (or four if you count hooves as arms)?--[[User:Smartkidhen|Smartkidhen]] 00:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Well, Arceus could retract them. Ask on the forums, because that is where this belongs. ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 00:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Okay ==

Derp. Hey. Multiform things always have the show/hide option because their other types can be freely switched to at will. Keep it that way. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 14:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

== Special Moves ==

Okay, someone really ought to add Shadow Force, Spacial Rend and Roar of Time to the "by events" section. If no one edits it or gives me a reason not to, I will add this ----GEN1[[User:Gen1king|KING]] ''([[User talk:TALK]])'' 04:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:I have added the event moves section to the page. thank you.
----GEN1[[User:Gen1king|KING]] ''([[User talk:TALK]])'' 05:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

==Arceus HAS appeared in side games==

WiiWare Mystery Dungeon. Need I say more? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 17:30, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed. So where is he in the game and i will gladly add it. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 12:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::Cmon. Someone must know! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 17:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Lol. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 16:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Come on! Come on! [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 12:56, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
arceus appears as a statue in explores of sky and in the new mystery dungeion pokeexlpores for the wii[[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 00:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

In mystery dungeon for wiiware, Arceus appears in a Wonder Mail W mission downloadable from wifi. It takes place in either final mountain, final cave, or final island. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 22:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

== Another possible name origin. ==

Could its name come from {{wp|arcus cloud}}? {{unsigned|Taromon777}}
:Likely not. The current ones seem more plausible to me. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

== Movie 12 Arceus ==

If you trade the Movie 12 Arceus from an English HG to an english SS, then can the event be activated in both games?[[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 00:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:Most likely. When they come out we'll know for sure after somebody gets that far in both games. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Side Game Data ==

It appears in the new Ranger game. Someone should add it.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 19:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Side Game Data ==

It appears in the new Ranger game. Someone should add it.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 19:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:Added ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:57, 5 May 2010 (UTC))

==Image==
Umm... in article it's say "art from platinum" and on the image file it's say "released in HeartGold/SoulSilver. So, it's from Platinum or from HG/SS?
:Fixed. It looks to me like no-one got around to changing the caption when the art was updated. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Magic Plate? ==

I own a Diamond and Pearl guide that tells you what to do after you beat the game, and it has a section in there about the Underground. In it, it has a list of items you can find, and in that list, they have a Magic Plate. I don't know what's going on, because nobody's mentioned it before. Perhaps it's because I got an early version of the book? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 18:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe a beta name for the Mind Plate? How many plates does it list? If it only lists 16 plates than it may be a typo/beta name for one of the existing plates. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:57, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Article vandalism/Error in code ==

It seems that all moveset, type and all other special coding from section Type effectiveness -> With Mind Plate up to Name Origin is either wrong or Media Wiki has some problems parsing it. --[[User:PewnyPL|PewnyPL]] 19:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:Do you mean something where it shows a bunch of red links, because if so, I see it to. It is also in the template size exceeded category. I think it has too many templates being used. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 19:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
::Yup, that's what I meant. And the thing about exceeding number of templates seems possible --[[User:PewnyPL|PewnyPL]] 20:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Given that all those redlinks are existing templates, it seems that yes, it is due to too many templates. The main question is how to reduce that without losing information. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, there are two things I can think of.
::::One of them is creating a new Pokéathlon Template, that would contain all of the Plates (specially for Arceus) with would require only to use the template with stats from all of them (although I'm not sure if there is a limit to how much data you can hand over to a template)
::::The second one is to change all link-Templates (those that just generate links to other articles) to normal links to articles
::::--[[User:PewnyPL|PewnyPL]] 20:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

== Highest level legendary? ==

Wasn't there a level 100 event Regigigas? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 00:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:The article says available for capture. You don't need to capture the Regigigas. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:48, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== 13,933? ==

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but the formula (as stated [[Experience#Gain_in_battle|here]]) makes a captured Arceus give (even if the owner's Pokémon is foreign and traded) only 7,071(.428571) at level 100. 
a= 2.2 
b= 225 
L=100. 
2.2 × 225 = 495 495 × 100 = 49,500 49,500 ／ 7 = 7,071.428571. Either this page is wrong, the formula is, or I am. Thanks [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 16:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:You have ''b'' as 225, but it's 255. That's your error. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 16:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
::I just did the math with 255 as ''b'', and by my calculations, even with a foreign language Arceus and a Lucky Egg, the total experience earned would be 12,021. That's odd. :/--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 16:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I got that the first time too. Sorry, I should of used the history on my calculator. Well, which is wrong then? How do we find out? [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 12:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Just did the math. I am getting 13,933. I did this:
(1.7 * 1.5 * 1.5 * 255 * 100)/7

(Wining pokemon foreign traded * Opposing pokemon owned by trainer * Wining pokemon holding lucky egg * base exp * level 100)/7
[[User:Mark342|Mark342]] 21:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

:They have changed the formula. It didn't work before. This [[File:Exp.png]] is the previous one. The new one works. Thanks anyway, [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 21:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC).

== Explorers of Sky ==

I have tried, but I can't get rid of the part on the [[template:Sidegame|Sidegame]] template that includes Explorers of Sky. It wasn't in the Game, so does anyone know how to get rid of this? It's a little misleading. Thanks, [[User:Samjohn95|Sam]][[User talk:Samjohn95|john]][[Special:contributions/Samjohn95|95]] 23:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Name origin ==

About the name origin. For me, the most simple theory is not so clearly mentioned in the current name origin section. My theory is: Arceus is just a transcription of "archeos" from latin (meaning archaich). This was confirmed with the newest trailers that pronounce "Arceus" exactly like "archeos" is pronounced. It is the most direct and simple someone can think of, it's more or less the same process used for other Pokémon name such as Luvdisc, since "luv" has the same pronountiation as "love".

== izanagi and izanami ==

If Japan and Gods is created, it seems to be worth describing to trivia. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 12:37, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

My remark on the page of the edit became interrupted. Arceus lives in the interior of Spear Pillar. There are a spear and a point of contact of the creation of the Shintoism myth. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 07:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
:But would that not mean that Arceus would have to be two, and not one? I think Dialga and Palkia, both met at Spear Pillar itself, better represent the two, with Giratina representing what happened to Izanami after Kagu-tsuchi burned her. Arceus created the universe... Dialga and Palkia were the ones who created Spear Pillar, and from it, Sinnoh. Arceus is above them. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for correcting my English.
::It is said that it is izanami and izanagi that it gave birth to the gods for the first time by the myth of Shintoism. Kunitokotachi and Amenominakanushi doesn't make the gods though Kunitokotachi and Amenominakanushi is the first god. There are izanami(izanagi) and a lacking part because neither Dialga nor Palkia make "Legend pokeomn". It is guessed that the ability of izanagi and izanami that creates the gods is equipped in Arceus.
::I am satisfied with the sentence that Mr. TTEchidna corrected. It is not necessary to discuss it any further.
[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colour Changing Articles ==

I know but it seems kind of pointless, when I fist read the article I thought you'd made a mistake calling it a Dragon-type and when I scrolled down I thought you'd lost your marbles when you were indicating pokeathlon stats for its Bug forme specifically. The Pokedex on the games treats it as a Normal-type. We don't have different coloured articles for Kecleon or Castform and they don't need to be holding special items to change forme. I think leaving it as Normal-type is most convenient and less confusing, also we have articles displaying what TMs and HMs it can learn as different types so why bother with all this. [[User:Lucky V4.0|Lucky V4.0]] 14:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:Its probably because Arceus has different Performance stats for its forms, its attack has different type for plate held, and because its sprite changes too. Too just list it all would make the page too long if it weren't hidden. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not suggesting have everything listed for all types. However it would be easier to select which type you want instead of it being random each time. [[User:Lucky V4.0|Lucky V4.0]] 15:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I know. But I'm pretty sure with {{bp|wikicode}} you can't do that, unless each type had their own page. At least with the random function you have a 1/17 chance of getting the one you want. If not, then just use the show/hide function. The only difference would be the template colors. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Type Change ==

I've ranted on this subject time and time again but isn't it misleading for someone to come across this article and for it to say that Arceus is a Ghost or Ice type (or whatever type that shows up) when Arceus is Normal-type but changes due to an item. This is no different than making Kecleon's page change types randomly because of Color Change, except for what color Arceus changes to, or listing every Pokémon with the chance of having the ability Mummy since any Pokémon except for Arceus and Shedinja can have the Mummy ability. I believe that Arceus needs to be listed as a Normal type as it naturally is when no items are held, just like how Kecleon is when it hasn't been hit by a foe's move or how a Marill is before being hit by a foe with the ability mummy. Does anyone else agree? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
:How is it misleading? The intro sentence of this artticle clearly states: "Arceus (Japanese: アルセウス Arceus) is a Normal-type legendary Pokémon. However, its type will change when it is holding one of sixteen items known as plates and can in reality be any type. " —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 21:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, exactly it says it's a Normal-type (Because naturally it is) while the templates might say it's a Poison-type when this isn't always the case, yeah so it's not always Normal-type either but may I remind you of Kecleon? Or maybe we can say that its type "varies", but I'd rather leave the templates as if it's a Normal-type. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
:::What's the big deal? The Kecleon example you are using... the type is not permanent after battle, hence why Porygon nor Pokémon with Camouflage is on here as well. Kecleon and Porygon... they were Normal-type prior to battle, and they are still Normal-type after battle. The difference is that Arceus's type is permanent from before battle and after battle. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:18, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah, but it isn't a natural Water or Grass-type, it is a Water or Grass type only when holding their respective plates, but naturally, without the use of an item, Arceus is a Normal-type, if they came up with an item called Aqua Sponge that turned Water-types into Normal-types we wouldn't make every Water-type Pokémon's page rotate from Normal to Water, of course I know the difference is that would be affecting a lot more pages but I still think it's misleading and somewhat confusing with the Forme rotation. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 01:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::It changes because it's a form difference if Kecleon changed its sprite then we could do something with it.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 04:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::Kecleon does not actually change forms; if {{a|Color Change}} counted as changing forms, we could say that all Pokémon do due to Color Change being {{m|Skill Swap}}pable. However, Arceus does actually change forms. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Isn't that why we have this, <nowiki>[[File:Arceus Formes.gif]]</nowiki> in order to demonstrate all formes? In fact we could use something like this in the sprite template couldn't we? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 19:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with Landfish7. This whole page changing is crazy!--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 19:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I hadn't ever really looked at this page before, but I recently needed to check up on something about Arceus. I was completely baffled to see it was labled as an Electric-type. It took me nearly a minute to understand what was going on. The type changes ARE really confusing, especially for people viewing the page for the first time. [[User:Moltres93|Moltres93]] 11:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::I think if we HAVE to keep it like this at ''least'' put the informer on the page itself instead of the discussion.--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 02:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::P.S.We really need to start a continued section for this. Trying to count the correct number of :'s is driving me crazy!--[[User:Celibi25|Celibi25]] 02:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

== Dream art in info box ==

Yeah. It's pretty cool it changes with the type. But... every other article uses Sugimori art. And it's better looking. So... what do we do here? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 05:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:I thought the plan was to have them alternate every so often between normal and Dream... I'd definitely keep the Normal art for now though.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
::It uses the game artwork when the page is on the {{type|???}}. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:51, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
::: I'm new, but I thought we used the artwork from the generation the pokemon is from (DP), so why is there dream world artwork? [[User:S and T|S and T]] 05:03, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::::We generally use the most recent, rather than the generation they are from (except anniversaries of the generations). See {{p|Marill}} and its current use of FR/LG art. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Umm... ==

In The Rise of Darkrai, I think I heard Arceus' name (that giant, winged light ball thing at the end of the movie) being pronounced "Ar-see-ay". Is that worth adding to the trivia? (I would appreciate verification, as this was a long time ago that I saw the movie).--[[User:Silentzerox|Silentzerox]] 02:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== "[Type]-Type Dream World art by '''Ken Sugimori'''" ==

Since when was Ken confirmed to be the one who made the dream world art? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 22:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

== Type discussion ==

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Um? ==

Every time I go to the page, it's using the Fighting-type template. I've tried about ten times. I'm using Firefox, if that helps find the problem. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 05:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:Firefox might be caching the page. Try pressing Ctrl + F5 to clear Firefox's cache and reload the page? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:55, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I had thought of that, but didn't do it. But it's working now for some reason. Quitting Fire fox and opening it later seems to have worked. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 20:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I find this type confusion that you guys are creating a great annoyance, and plain out stupid. Let's just say that someone was researching Arceus, and used Bulbapedia. The whole template is colored, yellow with the type and image indicating that it's an electric type. It just doesn't make any sense why you don't just state that he is capable of type change, while leaving the template in his default form? --[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 19:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
:Because if you took the time to read the first few lines of the article you can see it clearly states that it can change forms. Bulbapedia is about the article information stated the templates are for neatness and visual aid. so it's not "Plain out stupid" for it shows all of Arceus's forms. It doesn't always stay yellow it changes color everytime you visit the page. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 19:31, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
::Although I don't agree it is stupid, I will ask why can't it stay in it's normal template? Why does is have to constantly change? Is it to be showy or fun or is it just to show that it is capable of being whatever type it displays? [[User:Toadstool|Toadstool]] 17:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== ??? arceus transfered? ==
What happens if a ??? type arceus is hacked into the game then someone tries to transfer it to black/white? [[User:Savelijah|Savelijah]] 17:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
:Simple; When transferring a Pokémon to Black and White, all held items are returned to the bag of the Gen. IV game. You can only transfer a Normal-type Arceus that way. [[User:Jhuyu26|'~Jhuyu26', user of Generation V glitch Pokémon -----!]] 01:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

==Contradiction?==
The trivia section says this: "Arceus's signature move, Judgment, is the only move that Arceus is guaranteed STAB for, as it is always the same type as Arceus itself. '''However, on the battle screen, Judgment is always displayed as a Normal-type attack.'''" With the rotating type change, Judgement also changes in the moveset. I don't mind the templates changing on the page - I think it's kind of cool - but can Judgement be changed to always be Normal? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 02:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

==Mistake==
In the Pokémon infobox it says that artwork it's from Black and White, but it's from Platinum. An admin should correct this mistake. [[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]] 09:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

== Connection with the bible? ==

Hey guys, I was just looking at a picture of Arceus and it occured to me how similar Arceus is to the 'wheel' mentioned in the bible (Ezekiel).

The wheel supposedly came from the heavens or space;

Ezekial 1:5 - "and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures" (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus?)
Ezekial 1:7 - "Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze" (Could refer to Dialga and Arceus, Dialga being steel (burnished bronze))
Ezekial 1:16-21 - "This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel", "the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around" (Arceus' wheel, at least to me, seems metallic, and the intersection could suggest Arcues inside the wheel. And, there are 4 jewels 'eyes' on the wheel.)

The creatures also have 'wings', which would be similar except for the case of Arceus

Anyone reckon this part of the bible was considered in Arceus' creation?

[[User:PHoxide|PHoxide]] 10:49, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== "Arms" ==

I eas just watching the Movie and I think the "arms" Arceus is supposed to have are not made of matter, but energy. This could explain why the dex sayes it has arms but you don't see them. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 01:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I have to concur with Truthseeker4449 that the "arms" might be not of matter but of energy. Another possibility is that the "1000 arms" is just a metaphor to signify how mythical Arceus is. [[User:Arceustheomnipotent|Arceustheomnipotent]] 05:04, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

== Minor edits ==

I made minor edits adding to the tcg[[User:Hmtkiwi99|Hmtkiwi99]] 11:02, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, but this is better suited to your edit summary than placing it on the talk page. You can create an edit summary by typing it in the the box below the editing box, labeled "Summary:". Edit summaries as visible in the page history and on [[Special:RecentChanges]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
My edit got murdered[[User:Hmtkiwi99|Hmtkiwi99]] 20:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

== House ==

Just watching new House episode, the Perils of Paranoia, and the titular doctor just made a direct reference to Arceus:

House: "...and that's why Arceus gave us three states of matter and over 300 poisons that could cause these symptoms." 
Taub: "Arceus?" 
House: "Look it up" 

Trivia-worthy? [[User:DrStubbsberg|DrStubbsberg]] 22:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
:It's been noted [[List of references to Pokémon in popular culture|here]] already so the trivia isn't needed. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, hadn't noticed that page before [[User:DrStubbsberg|DrStubbsberg]] 22:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

'Arceus gave us three states of matter' - and this may be also explanation of Creation Trios types: Dialga Steel - Solid, Palkia Water - Liquid, Giratina Ghost - Gas. [[User:Count Kuwaga|Count Kuwaga]] 13:02, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

== crea(tion) anagram = arce ==

About the name 'Arceus' would 'Arce' be an anagram of crea(tion)?
And would 'us' give it the meaning 'create(d) us'?
It also looks like a '''ce'''nt'''aur''' who has lost its (thousend) arms. [[User:Nickvang|Nickvang]] 20:02, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think taking just parts of words for an anagram counts, and anagrams in general are still stretching it a little bit. --[[User:Darth Zekrom|'''Darth''']] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|'''Zekrom''']] 20:27, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

== Allegedly created the universe ==

I will not argue that Arcues created Shinno but it's only stated that he MAY have created ALL pokemon and the Universe. But let's look at something. Mew has been declared the Original pokemon since Gen 1 without any contradictions. Arcues is a Shinno legendary and so it's only natural that the locals believe it to be the creator. But Mew has officially been stated in again many sources to have EVERY pokemon DNA. IT can transform and use ANY technique. So Arcues could NOT have created Mew as Mew was the 1st pokemon. Plus there are other legendaries from other regions that were said to have created the regions they inhabit. And lastly how can Arcues be a God if humans can capture him? I think we need to go onto Mew and Arcues' pages and make sure that this is clear. This is not opinion but facts backed by sources. Gen 1,2,4 games and The Original Official Pokemon handbook under Mew's page and several subsequent handbooks featuring Mew. [[User:Genemaxwell4|Genemaxwell4]] 09:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

:Mew is almost always stated to be "believed by scientists" to be the ancestor of all Pokémon... it never says for a fact that it ''is''. Scientists (in real life) have been wrong before on many things... perhaps Mew being the ancestor of all Pokémon will some day just be an outdated theory.
:As for Arceus as the "creator of the Universe"... it's Pokédex entries all either say "it has been said" or specifcally say that it's Sinnoh myth... they never say for certain that he is some sort of creator god. I personally think the whole thing is a stupid concept... why base an encyclopedia entry of an actual animal on some myth rather than true facts? (That's like me looking up "falcon" in an encyclopedia and finding all sorts of references to it being some sort of sun god, simply because it was one in ancient Egyptian belief). But that's how it is... interpret it however you want. Maybe this whole conflict was intentional so that fans could interpret it differently (like how other aspects of Pokémon are... such as the definition of "Pokémon master"). [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 04:32, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::Except unlike falcons, Arceus is a fictional creature, and also unlike falcons, there is physical proof of Arceus's god-like status in the games, manga, and anime. We do talk about Arceus as it is, its physiology, abilities, etc. And like it or not, one of its abilities ''is'' controlling the world. I'm not sure what you're looking for. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:53, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Mew created Arceus. Arceus created everything else. That's what I've always believed. [[User:Volcronaperson|Volcronaperson]] 21:43, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

== base stat similarities ==

with everything I've noticed about the base stats of Pokémon on the Pokédex is that there are two Pokémon that have a completely even base stat spread (base HP=base Atk=Base Def=base SpA=base SpD=base Speed) Arceus has a 120-120-120-120-120-120 base spread effectively making it the strongest base Pokémon in the games to date, but there is one more Pokémon that shares the even base spread with Arceus. It is the weakest base Pokémon in the games to date, Sunkern, who's base spread is 30-30-30-30-30-30 (All stat spreads are in the HP-Atk-Def-SpA-SpD-Speed).
If there are any other Pokémon that share this trait, please let me know.

-By [[User:typhonandfafnir|typhonandfafnir]]. Sam Fisher: "because most people don't have others shooting AK-47's at them, I had to find my own way to stay in shape." 01:32, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
:I said this on Sunkern's talk page, but this trait is also shared by Celebi, Mew, Manaphy, and Phione, and most likely other Pokémon I'm forgetting. Not really notable. [[User:Funktastic~!|It's Funktastic~!]] 01:43, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

==???-type sprite==
"''It is possible this sprite was programmed in to prevent game crashes caused by tampering with Arceus's type.''"

Not saying that this should be removed, because yeah, that is a possibility. But it's unlikely. There doesn't need to be a special sprite to do that... they could have just used the Normal-type sprite in the case that it ends up as a ???-type. Or used some other placeholder... they could have even left it blank. And also, I doubt that Nintendo cares about preventing game crashes due to stuff that is impossible to do without messing with stuff that shouldn't be messed with. I mean, there's probably tons of other ways that someone could crash the game when that person starts altering variables and stuff and I'm sure that Nintendo didn't waste their time trying to prevent those game crashes. Anyway, I have no idea why they made a special sprite for the ???-type. Maybe it was just because the graphics people got bored and decided to have some fun making something pointless (like the truck in Generation I). [[User:Dannyjenn|Dannyjenn]] 20:48, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

==Lamb instead of horse?==

Does anyone else think Arceus may be based on the phrase 'the lamb of God?' [[User:Flintlock|Flintlock]] ([[User talk:Flintlock|talk]]) 04:27, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

--[[User:Chris Broach|Chris Broach]] ([[User talk:Chris Broach|talk]]) 01:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

== Event moves. ==

Why aren't Spacial Rend, Roar of Time, and Shadow Force listed? I noticed a lot of pages leaving out event moves...--[[User:Chris Broach|Chris Broach]] ([[User talk:Chris Broach|talk]]) 01:04, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind. Found out that it doesn't list Generation 4 moves unless you click on something.--[[User:Chris Broach|Chris Broach]] ([[User talk:Chris Broach|talk]]) 01:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

== Similarities to a Centaur? ==

Well, it came to my mind as I read the article that Arceus might have some similarities with a Qilin, I do not find any with the Centaur as it it mentioned. Sure it's a hooved creature, but so is a regular horse. It doesn't have any of the other qualities of a centaur. I find Arceus more similar to a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_stag White Stag].
[[User:CounterShift|CounterShift]] ([[User talk:CounterShift|talk]]) 23:45, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
:I think it looks like a llama but this is all debatable. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 16:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
::The reason why I find no connection with a centaur is that a Centaur is basically have horse, half human. The horse seems to be present, but the human part isn't. So why Centaur and not just Horse? [[User:CounterShift|CounterShift]] ([[User talk:CounterShift|talk]]) 02:38, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

== Conquest Location ==

Okay, in the Ransei Gallery it can be entered AND on the Side Game Data there is his Strength, Ability etc., but where is his Conquest location? Anybody know?[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 16:18, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

== Natural Gift-STAB ==

As the plates seem to be mentioned in the attacks section, shouldn't it be mentioned that Arceus can have a STAB on Natural Gift when holding a Chilian Berry? --[[User:Mecanno-man|mecanno-man]][[user talk:Mecanno-man|Discussion]] 15:43, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:No, we don't have a STAB note for attacks that can have different types.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 15:48, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
==Urcuchillay==

Don't know if this is stated somewhere or not, but I stumbled upon this Incan deity, Urcuchillay, a multi-colored (Arceus' Multitype Ability, multiple colors) llama who watches over animals
--[[User:8bitlives|8bitlives]] ([[User talk:8bitlives|talk]]) 11:29, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

== Implications of "AR-see-uss" pronunciation ==
''"The "AR-key-us" pronunciation was used due to concerns over the implications behind the first syllable of "AR-see-uss" in the UK and other British English-speaking territories."''

What does this even mean? I don't speak British English, so I don't know what the "implications" are. Perhaps it should be elaborated on in the article. [[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 02:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:No, it looks like speculation so it should probably be removed, not elaborated on. The "implications" to which it refers is the fact that "AR-see-uss" sounds like it starts with the swearword "arse" (the equivalent of "ass" in America). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
::Wow, I can't believe I never realized that before. Anyway, I agree with the decision to remove it. Thanks for your help. [[User:Poliwhirl|Poliwhirl]] ([[User talk:Poliwhirl|talk]]) 07:11, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:::[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Arceus_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1908001&oldid=1900900 The user who added it] explained in her edit summary that Tom Wayland told her about it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:31, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
::::We should give the source in the article text, then, not just in a random edit summary that people have to trawl through the page history to find. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Why aren't the sprites for all of his different formes shown in the sprites section? I want to see his shiny meadow form ._. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 19:33, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
:Because that's too many images. Once X and Y are released it would be more than 200 front sprites. It'd look awful, and probably cause loading issues as well - this page is already very large and there's been problems with it loading in the past. If you want to see the shiny meadow form, click the "Arceus images on Bulbagarden Archives" link below the sprite box. That'll take you to a category containing all the Arceus images on the Archives, including ones that we can't fit onto the pages. The sprite you want is on the first page of that category, [[a:Spr 4d 493-Grass s.png|Here]]. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:46, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

== Question ==

Why do we not list Arceus on all of the type pages? We do that for every other Pokemon whose forme changes type.
[[User:Ghost Type Master|Ghost Type Master]] ([[User talk:Ghost Type Master|talk]]) 1:03, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Arceus holding all plates ==

By the type charts, if Arceus held all the plates at once-even the pixie plate- he would get 2x damage from Rock. That would explain why a meteor was able to hurt in M12.
Without the plates compromising the Jewel of Life and no Pixie plate, he gets 2x damage from electric attacks, 1x from steel, and 2x from fire. Hence, why the villain in M12 used electric attacks and molten steel to hold Arceus down.
This should be trivia somewhere-here or on the Arceus M12 page.{{unsigned|ZoroFan}}
:No, that is too speculative: The writers aren't that good with the type matchups and there clearly wasn't the Pixie Plate in the movie.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 18:47, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Even without the Pixie Plate, the results still stand. I ran the numbers.Besides, by M12, the writers don't show a problem with type match-ups, especially since it's a movie. How about just stating that if Arceus hold all of the plates, he's 2x from Rock?

{| border=1
| || Normal || Fighting || Flying || Poison || Ground || Rock || Bug || Ghost || Steel || Fire || Water || Grass || Electric || Psychic || Ice || Dragon || Dark || Fairy
|-
| Normal || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 1 || 0 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0
|-
| Fighting || 2 || 1 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 1 || 2 || 0.5 || 0 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 2 || 1 || 2 || 0.5 || 0
|-
| Flying || 1 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 2 || 1 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1
|-
| Poison || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 1 || 0.5 || 0 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 0
|-
| Ground || 1 || 1 || 0 || 2 || 1 || 2 || 0.5 || 1 || 2 || 2 || 1 || 0.5 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0
|-
| Rock || 1 || 0.5 || 2 || 1 || 0.5 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 0.5 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2
|-
| Bug || 1 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 0.5 || 0.0625
|-
| Ghost || 0 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 1 || 0
|-
| Steel || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 1 || 0.5 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 0.5
|-
| Fire || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 2 || 1 || 2 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 1
|-
| Water || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 1
|-
| Grass || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 2 || 2 || 0.5 || 1 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 2 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 0.0625
|-
| Electric || 1 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 0 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 0
|-
| Psychic || 1 || 2 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 0 || 1 || 0
|-
| Ice || 1 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 1
|-
| Dragon || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 0 || 0
|-
| Dark || 1 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 0.5
|-
| Fairy || 1 || 2 || 1 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 0.5 || 0.5 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 1 || 2 || 2 || 1 || 1
|}
{{unsigned|ZoroFan}}
:There's really too much impracticality here. This is really just a theoretical summation of the damage possibilities to a Pokemon of all types, and that's just not needed here. Plus, there's no way for Arceus to hold all the plates, so its a moot point. You could argue that it can in the anime, but the anime clearly does not always follow the rules the games do, electricity damages Ground-types in the anime sometimes. This just isn't worth noting on the page. Also, please don't reasign comments after posting them, it messes up the timestamp. Thanks. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 19:17, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
::Also, it was specifically shown in the movie that Arceus can be affected by only one Plate at a time. It was changing its type to become immune to the Dragon trio's attacks (you can see the animations [[Multitype (Ability)#In the anime|here]]).--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 19:26, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

== Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically ==

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

[[User:Jdogno4|Jdogno4]] ([[User talk:Jdogno4|talk]]) 06:47, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

== 7.1 Origin ==

I'm not sure about this, but does Arceus' name possibly come from Zeus? If someone thinks it's plausible, please add it to the main page. [[User:Ching Yeung|CY]] ([[User talk:Ching Yeung|talk]]) 04:01, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

== Shiny event ==

Serebii lists a shiny Arceus in its history of Arceus events, but it is not listed anywhere on Bulbapedia, so could we please confirm the details of this Arceus. Also, what languages can that Arceus have in its nickname? I want to know if one I fought is hacked. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 12:50, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
:[[List of Japanese region serial code event Pokémon distributions in Generation VI#Shiny]]
:[[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 13:16, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
::What about possible nickname languages? Shouldn't the text mention the possible shiny version? [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 20:29, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't really know what you mean by nickname languages. But at any rate, if you think the text can be improved in some way, you're of course welcome to. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 20:37, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
::::Having a given language of its name as its nickname. What languages are possible for the shiny Arceus to be named in when obtained (specifically, can any have an nickname of Arceus instead of アルセウス), since the nickname is set by the wondercard and Serebii lists it with a Japanese nickname. [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 01:27, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

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Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon Special Demo Version

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PartHunter: /* Totem Pokémon */ The aura raises the Totem Pokémon's aura by one stage. Just see the details of the Totem Pokémon in the demo at the start of battle to see this.

{{Current event}}
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The '''Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon Special Demo Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターサン・ムーン特別体験版''' ''Pocket Monsters Sun and Moon Special Demo Version'') is a special, expanded {{wp|game demo|demo}} edition of [[Pokémon Sun and Moon]]. It is set for worldwide release on October 18, 2016, in promotion of its parent game, which will release the following month. Unlike its predecessor, the [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire Special Demo Version|Special Demo Version]] for {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}, this demo will be immediately available to download to the public via [[Nintendo]]'s eShop or through their homepage.

==Gameplay==
===First adventure===
Like the Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire demo, the {{player}} plays as the male protagonist, with the preset name '''Sun'''. The player opens his mailbox to find a letter written by {{Ash|an unknown sender}}, asking them to take good care of their {{AP|Greninja}} in their stead.

{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=658
|pokemon=Greninja
|type1=Water
|type2=Dark
|ability=Battle Bond
|level=36
|gender=male
|move1=Water Shuriken|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Double Team|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Night Slash|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}

After reading the letter, Sun heads to [[Hau'oli City]] City Hall with his mother to register their new address. When the player tries to leave, they will run into [[Hau]], who will introduce himself. At the suggestion of the player's mom, Hau offers to show the player around the city's shopping district. Before that happens however, they run into two {{tc|Team Skull Grunt}}s, who pick a fight with the player and Hau. After defeating one of them in battle, the grunts retreat, and the game instructs the player to go to the [[Pokémon Center]], where inside, Hau give the player a {{DL|Potion|Super Potion}}.

Once the player has healed their Greninja and exited the Pokémon Center, they will meet [[Professor Kukui]]. Kukui introduces the player to the [[Island challenge|Trials]], inviting them to [[Ten Carat Hill]]. From this point, the player is allowed to explore the the city, and can talk to a man north of the Pokémon Center when they are ready to continue.

At Ten Carat Hill, the player will progress up a road towards the trial site, inside a cave. There Kukui will explain the rules of the trial. The player is to seek out two {{p|Jangmo-o}} and two {{p|Hakamo-o}} and photograph them. To do this, the player is given a {{DL|Rotom Pokédex|Poké Finder}}. Kukui also loans the player his {{p|Pikachu}}.

{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=025
|pokemon=Pikachu
|type1=Electric
|ability=Static
|level=40
|gender=male
|move1=Thunderbolt|move1type=Electric|move1cat=Special
|move2=Slam|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl|move3type=Normal|move3cat=Status
|move4=Iron Tail|move4type=Steel|move4cat=Physical}}

After receiving {{p|Pikachu}}, the trial begins. When the player takes pictures of the Pokémon, the snapshot startles the Pokémon, causing it to attack. After taking photos of the two Jangmo-o and one Hakamo-o the player will hear another Hakamo-o from the other end of the cave. The cave opens to a clearing where they'll find the last Hakamo-o, which is revealed to be a [[Totem Pokémon]]. Defeating the Totem Hakamo-o and its ally, {{p|Rockruff}}, completes the trial. Kukui rewards the player with a Z-Ring and an {{DL|Z-Crystal|Electrium Z}}, which is automatically equipped to Pikachu, allowing it to use the [[Z-Move]] {{m|Gigavolt Havoc}}.

At this time, Hau runs in pursued by the Team Skull Grunts from before, this time accompanied by [[Plumeria]]. After some consideration, Plumeria decides to avenge her underlings, but is defeated by the player. Team Skull leaves, but not before telling the player they haven't seen the last of them. Afterwards, Pikachu returns to the professor, with the Electrium Z returning to the player, and the demo ends.

==Transferrable rewards==
The player is capable of transferring Ash's Greninja as well as any items obtained to the full version of [[Pokémon Sun and Moon]] by speaking to [[Professor Kukui]] on the right-hand side of the [[Pokémon Center]] in [[Hau'oli City]].
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{{Itemlist|None|sprite=658MS|After the game saves after completing [[Professor Kukui]]'s trial and battling [[Plumeria]]|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{Ash}}'s {{AP|Greninja}}}}
{{Itemlist|Stardust|From a man at the end of [[Mahalo Trail]]|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{DL|Valuable item|Stardust}} ×3}}
{{Itemlist|Star Piece|From a female {{tc|Ace Trainer}} at [[Ten Carat Hill]] after defeating her|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{DL|Valuable item|Star Piece}}}}
{{Itemlist|Nugget|A reward for catching three or more Pokémon in the Pokémon-catching challenge at [[Ten Carat Hill]] for the first time|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{DL|Valuable item|Nugget}}}}
{{Itemlist|Pretty Wing|From the man in front of the [[Hau'oli City]] Pokémon Center on the day after the game was first saved|Su=yes|M=yes|display={{DL|Valuable item|Pretty Wing}}}}

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==Pokémon==

===Ten Carat Hill===

====Totem Pokémon====
Totem Hakamo-o's aura raises its {{stat|Special Defense}} by one stage (50%).
{|
|-
| style="vertical-align:top" |
'''Totem Hakamo-o'''
{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=
|pokemon=Hakamo-o
|gender=female
|type1=Dragon|type2=Fighting
|ability=Bulletproof
|level=36
|move1=Automotize|move1type=Steel|move1cat=Status
|move2=Headbutt|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
}}
| style="vertical-align:top" |
'''Ally Rockruff'''
{{Pokémon/6
|ndex=
|pokemon=Rockruff
|gender=female
|type1=Rock
|ability=Inner Focus
|level=30
|move1=Odor Sleuth|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Status
}}
|}

==Trainers==
===Hau'oli City===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{trainerentry|Sun Moon Team Skull Male Grunt.png{{!}}x100px|Team Skull Grunt||800|1|000|Yungoos|♂|25}}
{{trainerfooter|road|7}}

===Ten Carat Hill===
====Exterior====
{{trainerheader|grass}}
{{trainerentry|VSYoungster SM.png{{!}}150px|Youngster|Honus|800|1|000|Rockruff|♂|28}}
{{trainerfooter|grass|7}}

===Plumeria===
{{Party/Single
|color={{black color light}}
|headcolor={{psychic color light}}
|bordercolor={{black color}}
|sprite=Sun Moon Plumeria.png
|size=100x100px
|name={{color2|000|Plumeria}}
|prize={{pdollar}}4,320
|game=SM Special Demo Version
|location=Ten Carat Hill}}
| style="margin:auto" | {{Pokémon/6
|ndex=042
|pokemon=Golbat
|gender=female
|type1=Poison|type2=Flying
|ability=Inner Focus
|level=38
}}
{{Party/Footer}}
{{-}}

==Gallery==
<gallery>
SM Prerelease Demo Cutscene.png|The male protagonist of {{g|Sun and Moon}} in a cutscene in the Demo Version
</gallery>

==In other languages==
{{langtable|color={{Sun color}}|bordercolor={{Moon color light}}
|zh_yue=精靈寶可夢太陽／月亮特別體驗版 ''{{tt|Jēnglìhng Bóuhómuhng Taaiyèuhng / Yuhtleuhng Dahkbihttáiyihmbáan|Pokémon Sun / Moon Special Edition}}'' {{tt|*|Trailer}} 寶可夢太陽／月亮特別體驗版 ''{{tt|Bóuhómuhng Taaiyèuhng / Yuhtleuhng Dahkbihttáiyihmbáan|Pokémon Sun / Moon Special Edition}}'' {{tt|*|eShop}}
|zh_cmn=精靈寶可夢太陽／月亮特別體驗版 / 精灵宝可梦太阳／月亮特别体验版 ''{{tt|Jīnglíng Bǎokěmèng Tàiyáng / Yuèliàng Tèbiétǐyànbǎn|Pokémon Sun / Moon Special Edition}}'' {{tt|*|Trailer}} 寶可夢太陽／月亮特別體驗版 / 宝可梦太阳／月亮特别体验版 ''{{tt|Bǎokěmèng Tàiyáng / Yuèliàng Tèbiétǐyànbǎn|Pokémon Sun / Moon Special Edition}}'' {{tt|*|eShop}}

|fr={{tt|Pokémon Soleil et Pokémon Lune : Version démo spéciale|Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon: Special Demo Version}}
|de={{tt|Pokémon Sonne und Pokémon Mond: Spezial-Demoversion|Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon: Special Demo Version}}
|it={{tt|Pokémon Sole e Pokémon Luna: Versione demo speciale|Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon: Special Demo Version}}
|hu={{tt|Pokémon Sun és Pokémon Moon Különleges Demó Verzió|Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon Special Demo Version}}
|ko=포켓몬스터썬・문 특별체험판 ''Pocket Monsters Sun and Moon Special Demo Version''
|ru={{tt|Демо-версия игр Pokémon Sun и Pokémon Moon|Demo version of the game Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon}}
|es={{tt|Demo especial de Pokémon Sol y Pokémon Luna|Special Demo of Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon}}
}}
==Trivia==
* {{AP|Greninja}}'s date met is set to October 17, 2013, the same date ''[[XY002|Lumiose City Pursuit!]]'', the episode where Ash added Froakie to his party, debuted in Japan.
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Poké Ride

2016-10-18T20:38:23Z

PartHunter: /* Poké Ride Pokémon */ Update Tauros to the name in the demo, Tauros Charge.

[[File:Sun Moon Poké Ride artwork.png|thumb|Poké Ride artwork]]
'''Poké Ride''' (Japanese: '''ポケモンライド''' ''Pokémon Ride'') is a feature in [[Pokémon Sun and Moon]]. Poké Ride allows the player to ride on certain {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}. Each Pokémon allows the player to use a special ability. Ride Pokémon are summoned through the Ride Pager.

==Poké Ride Pokémon==
{| class="roundy" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #1d2c5e; border: 3px solid #ffcb05"
|-
! style="background:#3467af; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|fff|Pokémon/Ride Name}}
! style="background:#3467af" | {{color|fff|Ability}}
! style="background:#3467af; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color|fff|Locations}}
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:006Charizard.png|120px|Charizard]] [[Charizard (Pokémon)|Charizard Glide]]
| Allows the player to fly.
|
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:128Tauros.png|120px|Tauros]] [[Tauros (Pokémon)|Tauros Charge]]
| Allows the player to smash through large boulders.
|
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:131Lapras.png|120px|Lapras]] [[Lapras (Pokémon)|Lapras Paddle]]
| Allows the player to surf across water. The player can also [[Fishing|fish]] from Lapras's back.
|
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:319Sharpedo.png|120px|Sharpedo]] [[Sharpedo (Pokémon)|Sharpedo Jet]]
| Allows the player to surf rapidly and smash through rocks in the water.
|
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:508Stoutland.png|120px|Stoutland]] [[Stoutland (Pokémon)|Stoutland]]
| Allows the player to find hidden items.
|
|- style="background:#fff"
| [[File:Mudsdale.png|120px|Mudsdale]] [[Mudsdale (Pokémon)|Mudsdale]]
| Allows the player to run across rocky terrain.
|
|}

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{alola color}}|bordercolor={{alola color dark}}
|zh_yue=寶可騎行 ''Poké Kèhhàhng''
|zh_cmn=寶可騎行 / 宝可骑行 ''Poké Qíxíng''
|cs=Poké jízda
|nl=Ride Pokémon
|fr=Poké Monture
|de=PokéMobil
|hu=Poké Lovaglás
|it=Poképassaggio
|ko=포켓라이드 ''Poké Raideu''
|pl=Poké Transport
|ru=Покемоны-Шаттлы ''Pokémony-Shattly''
|es=Pokémontura
}}
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[[de:Fortbewegungsmöglichkeiten#PokéMobil (SM)]]
[[fr:Poké Monture]]
[[it:Poképassaggio]]
[[zh:寶可騎行]]

Talk:Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon Special Demo Version

2016-10-18T04:08:52Z

PartHunter: /*Release date*/ Added section.

Talk:Jamming

2016-10-13T03:09:10Z

PartHunter: /* Variable Jamming */ new section

==Move category==
I've got a question about the physical/special sorting in this article. In Generation III, the only generation in which the "jam" effect existed, the attacks weren't split up yet. At that time, all Fire-, Grass-, Water-, Psychic-, Electric-, Dark-, and Ice-type moves were all special. Therefore, I don't think it's all that necessary to list what the specific moves are '''now'''.

Not only that, but it's not like whether they are physical or special moves impacted its contest effect. ''[[User:Kevin Y|Kevin Y]]'' ([[User talk:Kevin Y|talk]]) 05:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== Variable Jamming ==

In ORAS, Earthquake, which has a Jamming of 1 in its description, actually halves the appeal of all preceding Pokémon not protected from Jamming, rounded down, and completely removes all appeal from any Pokémon which loses double the amount of Jamming because of its move, like any that have used Draco Meteor, Petal Dance, Dragon Ascent and so on, even if the appeal is odd. If a Pokémon has 0 or negative appeal, it will still lose one more heart (get another black heart), but it rarely actually removes 1 heart. In addition, some moves do more Jamming if the affected Pokémon used a move of the same category as the move, like Double Kick. What other special cases are there, and should this be in the article? [[User:PartHunter|PartHunter]] ([[User talk:PartHunter|talk]]) 03:09, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Sun and Moon

2016-10-08T03:51:28Z

PartHunter: /* Regarding Pokémon Moves */ Really long contribution to the conversation. See the page or edit summary for details.

Z-moves

2016-09-20T13:57:49Z

PartHunter: Create as a redirect, because I tried to go to this page title in the search bar to get to the target page.

#REDIRECT [[Z-Move]]

Dragon Ascent (move)

2016-09-12T12:51:29Z

PartHunter: /* Trivia */ Note that Mega Rayquaza gets an extra animation and modifies the move animation. Separate from previous edit in case one edit but not the other one needs to undergo rollback, and due to lack of space in the edit summary.

{{MoveInfobox|
n=620 |
name=Dragon Ascent |
jname=ガリョウテンセイ |
jtrans=Dragon Ascension |
jtranslit=Garyō Tensei|
gameimage=Dragon Ascent 2.png|
gameimage2=Dragon Ascent 4.png|
gameimagewidth=300 |
type=Flying |
damagecategory=Physical |
basepp=5 |
maxpp=8 |
power=120 |
accuracy=100 |
bdesc=|
gen=VI|
mtoras=yes |
na=no|
category6=Beautiful|
appeal6=6|
jam6=0|
cdesc6=A very appealing move, but after using this move, the user is more easily startled.|
pokefordex=|
touches=yes|
target=any |
protect=yes |
magiccoat=no |
snatch=no |
brightpowder=yes |
kingsrock=yes |
flag7=no |
flag8=no |
sound=no |
}}

'''Dragon Ascent ''' (Japanese: '''ガリョウテンセイ''' ''Dragon Ascension'') is a damage-dealing {{type|Flying}} [[move]] introduced in {{g|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}. It is the [[signature move]] of {{p|Rayquaza}}.

==Effect==
Dragon Ascent inflicts damage and then lowers the user's {{stat|Defense}} stat and {{stat|Special Defense}} stat by one stage each.

===Other effects===
The player can [[Mega Evolution|Mega Evolve]] any Rayquaza that knows Dragon Ascent, as long as the Rayquaza in the [[Delta Episode]] has been caught (which requires that it eats the {{key|VI|Meteorite}} from the player's bag).

Dragon Ascent does not exist in the game data of {{g|X and Y}}. As a result, a Pokémon knowing Dragon Ascent cannot be traded from Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire to Pokémon X and Y, and if a Pokémon in [[Pokémon Bank]] knows the move it cannot be withdrawn in Pokémon X and Y. In order to be transferred to Pokémon X and Y, the Pokémon must forget Dragon Ascent.

==Description==
{{movedesc|flying}}
{{movedescentry|{{gameabbrev6|ORAS}}|After soaring upward, the user attacks its target by dropping out of the sky at high speeds, although it lowers its own Defense and Sp. Def in the process.}}
|}
|}{{left clear}}

==Learnset==
In [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]], [[Zinnia]]'s grandmother in [[Meteor Falls]] can teach any Rayquaza this move.

===By [[Move Tutor]]===
{{Moveheader/tutor|Flying|1}}
{{Moveheader/tutor/6|no|yes}}
{{Moveentry/tutor|384|Rayquaza|2|Dragon|Flying|X|X|X|X|X|X|X|X|X|yes|STAB='''}}
{{Movefooter/tutor|Flying|1}}

===Special moves===
====[[Generation VI]]====
{{Learnlistspecial|Flying}}
{{Moveentry|384|Rayquaza|2|Dragon|Flying|{{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}} - [[Sky Pillar]] {{p|Rayquaza}}{{tt|*|While it does not know Dragon Ascent when the player battles it, Zinnia will automatically teach it Dragon Ascent (replacing Fly) after the player captures it}}|'''}}
{{Learnlist/footer}}

==In the anime==
{{moveanime|type=flying|exp=yes|gen=The user descends from the sky and strikes the opponent with a green outline.|image1=Mega Rayquaza Dragon Ascent.png|image1p=Mega Rayquaza|image2=M18 Mega Rayquaza Dragon Ascent.png|image2p=Mega Rayquaza}}
{{movep|type=flying|ms=384M|pkmn=Rayquaza|method=Mega Rayquaza flies high into the air. Its body then becomes outlined in a green aura, and it dives into the opponent with great speed.}}
{{movemid|type=flying|user=Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime#Rayquaza|user1=A wild Rayquaza|startcode=SS031|startname=Mega Evolution Special II|notes=Debut}}
{{movebtm|type=flying|user=Hoopa (anime)|user1=A Rayquaza summoned by Hoopa|startcode=M18|startname=Hoopa and the Clash of Ages}}

==In the manga==

===In the movie adaptations===
{{movemanga|type=flying|exp=yes|gen=The user zooms quickly at the opponent from the sky.|image1=Mega Rayquaza Dragon Ascent M18 manga.png|image1p=Mega Rayquaza}}
{{movep|type=flying|ms=384M|pkmn=Rayquaza|method=Rayquaza releases a shock wave from its body.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=flying|user=Rayquaza (Pokémon)|user1=A wild Rayquaza|startcode=Hoopa and the Clash of Ages (manga)|startname=Hoopa and the Clash of Ages|notes=Debut}}

===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
{{movemanga|type=flying|exp=yes|gen=The user rams into the opponent with great force.|image1=Rayquaza Dragon Ascent Adventures.png|image1p=Rayquaza|image2=Mega Rayquaza Dragon Ascent Adventures.png|image2p=Mega Rayquaza}}
{{movep|type=flying|ms=384|pkmn=Rayquaza|method=Rayquaza glows brightly and rams its body into the opponent.}}
{{movemidManga|type=flying|user=Super-ancient Pokémon (Adventures)|user1=A wild Rayquaza|startcode=PAORAS17|notes=Debut}}
{{movep|type=flying|ms=384M|pkmn=Rayquaza|method=Mega Rayquaza glows brightly and rams its body into the opponent.}}
{{movebtmManga|type=flying|user=Super-ancient Pokémon (Adventures)|user1=A wild Rayquaza|startcode=PAORAS21}}

==Trivia==
* The Japanese name of this move literally means "to paint a dragon and dot its eyes" and serves as a metaphor for the finishing touch in a piece of work that give it "the spark of life". The idiom originated from a legend where {{wp|Zhang Sengyou}}, a Chinese painter, completes the dragons on a mural by dotting their eyes and thus literally bringing them to life; they spring out of the temple wall and fly off. The completed dragons immediately ascended to the heavens after the work was done.
* Dragon Ascent is the only move with the word "dragon" in its English name that is not {{type|Dragon}}.
* Because the Rayquaza caught at Sky Pillar learns Dragon Ascent to replace {{m|Fly}}, Dragon Ascent is the only move that can replace an HM move in a game where the move is available as an HM.
* When used by a Rayquaza which has Mega Evolved, this move will play an additional animation before the main animation, and the main animation is also changed slightly.

==In other languages==
{{Langtable|color={{flying color}}|bordercolor={{flying color light}}
|fr=Draco Ascension
|de=Zenitstürmer
|it=Ascesa del Drago
|ko=화룡점정 ''{{tt|Hwaryong Jeomjeong|Dragon Ascension}}''
|pt_br=Ascenção do Dragão (TCG)
|es=Ascenso Draco
}}

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