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Talk:Dragon (type)

2012-11-05T16:37:30Z

PLA: /* Dragon and Fire attacks */

==Should the new Gen.5'ers be included in this list?==

Now that we know their types, should Reshiram and Zekrom be included in the list as well? [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 21:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:They should be, but we're lazy and the server glitches have prevented us from doing much. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:19, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
::Oh. I was half-expecting you to answer "no". [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:19, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Fully evolved Dragons ==

Should we keep the small section saying that before Gen V, all fully evolved dragons had two types? Seems a bit pointless now that two of them don't. [[User:Dawnshadow|Dawnshadow]] 09:29, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be stated that Dragon's legendary status, and nature themed powers in mythology are why it resists the "basic"/natural elements Fire, Water, Grass, and Electric?[[User:Tesseract|Tesseract]] 07:34, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
:No, we don't offer explanations behind type effectivenesses. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
But on the psychic type page tells that all they types thats super effective against psychic refers to fears affecting the mind[[User:Mithril|Mithril]] 20:06, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

"The only Dragon type without a weakness to Ice is Kingdra." Isn't there also Dialga, Palkia, Reshiram, and Kyurem? [[User:Kianglo|Kianglo]] 19:40, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

:"The only '''non-legendary''' Dragon-type Pokémon that doesn't sport any weakness to {{t|Ice}} is Kingdra. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Wanna chat?]])'' 19:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

== Dragon and Fire attacks ==

"Furthermore, the combination of Dragon and {{t|Fire}} has {{p|Heatran|almost}} unresisted coverage." Though Heatran does resist Dragon, Fire is neutral on it, so wouldn't this sentence be false? —[[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 18:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
:Heatran has {{a|Flash Fire}}, which makes it immune to Fire. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:32, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
What about Fighting? I'm looking at the Steel-list, and not seeing any pokemon I know to resist Fighting. I believe Fighting isn't much less common than Fire in the wide move-pools of Dragon-types. [[User:PLA|PLA]] ([[User talk:PLA|talk]]) 16:37, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

== Type specialist on Trivia ==

The trivia says "Every Dragon type specialist has been the final member of their associations, with three eighth Gym Leaders (Clair, Iris, and Drayden),[...]". In Pokémon B2 W2, Drayden is the seventh Gym Leader. Should not this be fixed? [[User:BrasilLucasSant|BrasilLucasSant]] 21:11, 7 August 2012 (UTC-3)
:I've altered it. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

== Salamence (Trivia) ==

Salamence is the only Pokémon that is used by every Dragon-type gym leader or Elite Four member. Maybe this is worth mentioning in the trivia section.--[[User:Perlgia|Perlgia]] ([[User talk:Perlgia|talk]]) 16:18, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Koffing (Pokémon)

2012-10-20T00:46:52Z

PLA: /* The vocal track. */ new section

== stark mountain ==

I just found a koffing in stark mountain(Platinum) alongside a weezing, and it says only by trade on the page itself, but through the edit page it says stark mountain, so, code error? I wouldnt know. {{unsigned|Movodor}}

== Japanese name ==

Opening sentence says "Dogars", infobox says "Dogasu". Which one's the trademarked romaji? :S --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 07:07, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:The Japanese name is transcribed in romanji as "Dogars"; however, "Dogasu" or "Dogas" would make more sense, as this is a gassy pokemon. {{unsigned|Doctorhook}}

== Locatinos ==

LeafGreen Pokédex [http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3739/pokemonleafgreenemuzone.png marks] Pokémon Mansion and Celadon City... While article says only Pokémon Mansion... what? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 08:10, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:Yeah, [[Celadon City#Generation III|there's a 1% chance to find a Koffing by surfing]].--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 08:22, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

== Sprite trivia ==

Based on [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Raikou_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#A_question the discussion on Raikou's talk page about eliminating sprite trivia], I'm removing the section in trivia about Koffing's reversed Pokemon Blue sprite. If anyone disagrees with my decision, go ahead and revert it. [[User:Mousewings|Mousewings]] 09:29, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
:Wait, I don't know about that. Raikou had subtle differences. Koffing, on the other hand, is clearly off-model when compared to the Generation I Sugimori art. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 20:18, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
::But it was mentioned that the diffrence in question could easily be seen it the sprite section. Even though it is a noticible diffrence it still falls under sprite trivia which is frowned upon. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 20:23, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

== HD picture of Koffing in anime, replace older one? ==

Here is an HD image of Koffing, can we replace the Koffing in the anime picture with this new one?
[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/images/customavatars/avatar97_18.gif]
--Ash Ketchum!
:I personally prefer the one we have already. Your picture is cut off while the one on the article is a full body shot. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:06, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
::You realise "HD" means 1920px by 1080px or 1280px by 720px? That pic is small, and therefore not HD. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:28, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

== The vocal track. ==

Trivia-section says that "pokemon" took its place in the international release, but I'm not hearing it. [[User:PLA|PLA]] ([[User talk:PLA|talk]]) 00:46, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Status condition/Archive 1

2012-10-19T10:38:32Z

PLA: /* King's Rock with multiple hits in one move. */ new section

==Damage==
"Check damage values 4 poison and burn, I think toxic keeps doubling and poison (and/or burn) does 1/16."
No, except for poison's 1/16 in RBY.
--[[User:Jshadias|Jshadias]] 04:48, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Non-volatile battle status ==

[[Status ailment#Non-volatile battle status]] makes no sense. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 07:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

== Confusion ==

What's the damage for confused hits? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 23:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
:There's nothing specific, to my knowledge. It depends on the attack and defense of the confused Pokémon, and it seems that's it. --[[User:Juunannio|Juunannio]] 4:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
::Which is why {{m|Swagger}} can make things get ugly pretty quick. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I meant the base power. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 19:38, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
::::He just said there was nothing specific about the base power. --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 05:31, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Having a fixed base power can still let the damage depend on attack and defense. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 06:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::According to [http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/status#pseudo-status Smogon], confusion causes a 40 power typeless physical hit. --[[User:Laoris|Laoris]] 05:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== Miracle Eye and Mist. ==

First off, if Foresight and Odor Sleuth are listed, why isn't Miracle Eye? (Miracle Eye is an attack which is similar to Foresight/Odor Sleuth, but instead of allowing Normal/Fighting moves to hit Ghost-types, it allows Psychic attacks to hit Dark-types).

Also, Mist can be erased by Defog which I have added. {{unsigned|Nebula}}

== Poison ==
Can steel types become poisoned when eg. a steelix uses toxic on alakazam with synchronize?????--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 06:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:Steel-types can ''be'' poisoned, for certain. I once had a Pineco that was poisoned, then evolved. I'd try to test that myself, but I half wonder if Synchronize works with a partner's attack, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::Synchronize is programmed not to poison a Steel-type. Given that ability is programmed not to reflect all status conditions, however, it might just be the ability's effect.

::However, it is still possible to poison a Steel-type directly; the added effects of the moves {{m|Twineedle}} or, if used in standard grass in [[Generation III]], {{m|Secret Power}} can indeed poison a Steel-type. {{m|Psycho Shift}} should also be able to do the job. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

== {{m|Ice Ball}} ==

Does Ice Ball get doubled by {{m|Defense Curl}}? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, my testing suggests that it does. I used a level 100 {{p|Spheal}} against a level 100 {{p|Nidoking}}. Using Ice Ball on Nidoking in the first round, it did 42 damage. When I used Defense Curl first, it did 90 damage. One time, it crit the first round and did 98 damage. It appears that Defense Curl does double Ice Ball's initial damage. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 19:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::How do you know the damage? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 20:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I used two DSes. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 20:16, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

==?==
why are status ailments such as sleep and paralyzation called non-volatile? they seem pretty volatile to me [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 01:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
: Because they don't damage the affected Pokemon, unlike Poisoning and Burn [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
::I think it's because they don't go away automatically after battle. See the [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/volatile fifth dictionary entry]. We're using the word volatile to describe status ailments that are inherently temporary. There are better words, in my opinion. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 18:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
::: But sleep doesn't go away automatically after battle (though it does go away during battle) and paralysis doesn't go away automatically, after or during battle. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 19:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
:::: I know. I'm saying that sleep and paralyzation don't go away automatically after battle, which is why they are described as ''non''-volatile. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 19:48, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
::::: Oh, I see, I thought it meant volatile as in potentially dangerous or harmful, but it rather means the other (surely less used) meaning of likely to change. Faaaaaaaaair enough. PokéPokéPokéPokéPoké[[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 20:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::I've never heard "volatile" used as "harmful". "Explosive", yes. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 11:17, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Personally, I prefer the terms persistent and nonpersistent. I just think it's a more clear and accurate desriptor for that. But either way works. Whatever the consensus is works just fine. --[[User:Abra|Abra]] 04:37, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

== Poisoning ==

Would it be worthwhile noting that your last Pokemon dying of poison is the only way to black out outside of battle? Also, it could be added that the reason a poisoned Pokemon with one HP loses this status in Gen IV is probably to prevent that from happening.[[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 18:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
: Acutally, there was a glitch with the [[Pomeg Berry]] about that, that's the reason, more than the black out, because you'll still easily faint against a wild Pokémon. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== [[Pokérus]]? ==

I know it has its own article, but it can technically be considered a status ailment. If a Pokémon has it and no other status ailment it will display PKRS on the status bar in the summary...My point is, should we add a small section to this article and have it link to the Pokérus article? [[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 02:51, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
:Pokerus is not a status ailment that causes a '''problem''' in battle. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 02:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::Ailment is a negative word, therefore the Pokerus virus would not be counted as an ailment, although since every is willing to kill to get it, it might be an IRL ailment? Haha! --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 07:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Freezing ==

In the freeze section it mentions that sunny weather can reduce the chance of freezing, but no mention is made of the difference on the [[weather effects]] page. Does sunny weather actually reduce the chance of freezing, or should it be removed from this page? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 05:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:I seem to remember, on [[Pokémon Stadium 2]]'s Pokémon Academy, it mentions that sunny weather reduces freezing chance - so this was true at least in Generation II. I would assume that they haven't removed or changed this feature... though why this isn't included in the weather page I don't know - I'm not sure whether to add it or not, since I don't know how much the percentage actually changes (halves, reduces to 2%, etc). It's certainly worth mentioning on the weather effects page, I'll do that now. [[User:NLawson|NLawson]] 13:29, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Also in the freeze section, it is noted that no move has higher than 10% chance of freezing the enemy. On the [[List of moves that freeze]], however, secret power (in snow) is said to have a 30% chance of freezing. Which is correct? [[User:NLawson|NLawson]] 01:01, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

== Why are "battle statuses" listed as non-volatile? ==

Why are "battle statuses" listed as non-volatile? I'm pretty sure they go away after battle or I'd be using them more often ;)--[[User:MoonKing|MoonKing]] 02:20, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Paralysis ==

I believe I have conclusive testing that Ground-types cannot be paralyzed. I recently played multiple matches in Platinum's Battle Arcade in which the roulette landed on paralysis for my Pokémon. In all of these matches, my Porygon-Z was paralyzed, but my Garchomp and Torterra were not. This, combined with other articles off Bulbapedia that have listed this, leads me to find my evidence conclusive. If I am wrong, please correct me.
[[User:Ninjask|Ninjask]] 26 May 02:30:12 UTC

:Then odds are it's a glitch. Moves like {{m|Body Slam}} are supposed to be able to paralyze Ground-types. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::Ground types can be paralyzed. The Battle Arcade paralyzes via electricity, noted by the lightning bolt, which Ground types aren't effected by. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 03:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

:::OK, so perhaps I didn't quite know that exact tidbit. But trust me, if they did paralysis by {{m|Stun Spore}} instead of {{t|electric}}ity, then odds are it would affect the Ground-types. Honestly, why would someone believe Ground-types can't be affected by paralysis as a whole based on that one Battle Arcade effect? That would be like saying that {{t|Steel}}-types can't be poisoned simply because the vast majority of poisoning moves are {{t|Poison}}-type; do keep in mind that {{m|Twineedle}} and, in certain areas in [[Generation III]], {{m|Secret Power}}, are non-Poison-type moves capable of poisoning and thus capable of poisoning Steel-types. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Badly Poisoned ==

Can Poison-Types be Badly Poisoned? It says they can't be normally poisoned, but I want to check. {{unsigned|SilverMetelthatisGold}}

:They can't be poisoned. Period. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== Paralysis bug ==

In Gen 3, I'm pretty certain that the speed-reducing effect of paralysis does not come into effect until the turn after the target is paralysed. This is most commonly seen in Double Battles (at first I believed it was an XD bug until I recently noticed it in Emerald). That is, if a faster Pokémon paralyses a target who isn't the slowest on the field, they'll still attack second or third, even though their reduced speed from paralysis should make them the slowest on the field. In subsequent turns, the paralysed 'mon will be the last to attack as it should do. I should point out that it only seems to be the speed cut that doesn't apply to the infliction turn - move fail due to paralysis does sometimes kick in on this turn as per usual. In Gen 4, this 'bug' does not seem to occur. Is this something worth listing on the page? Is there a known explanation for this? My personal theory is that the move order of the Pokémon on the field is calculated before the attacks are performed, but I'm just guessing. [[User:Raylax|Raylax]] 00:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:As far as I know (and this is partly what I've read and partly a guess - I could well be wrong) your personal theory is correct: move order is determined at the start of the round (before any attacks) and the "roll" (for lack of a better term) to see if a move fails due to paralysis is performed immediately before the move is launched. I would assume that rolls for defrosting, failure due to attraction and confusion, and waking up are all checked directly before the suffering Pokémon acts as well. [[User:NLawson|NLawson]] 01:10, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::So, this would probably mean that if the speed is lowered with a move rather than Paralysis, like String Shot, then the same thing would happen. So it is probably not a bug, but the way it's meant to happen. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

== Damage of Burn and Poison Rounded? ==

The stated damage for these two is 1/8 of the Pokémon's max HP. When that damage is calculated, it would have to be a whole number. So is it rounded up or down? {{unsigned|Cheshy458}}
: Like all calculations in Pokémon, it's rounded down. [[User:Starscream|Starscream]] 13:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

== Hang on... ==

We've established that confusion self-damage is a 40-base power physical typeless move. But, is it typeless, or is it {{type|???}}? And if so, if a Pokemon becomes the ???-type, and hurts itself in its confusion, does it gain STAB on the confusion damage? Because if it does, that might be something to note in the article! [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 18:50, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
:There is no type. It's just like recoil damage, except it's not based on how much damage you do to the opponent. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:36, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

==Attraction==
Instead, shouldn't we be calling it infatuation like the games do? I would change it, but I know how many links that would break.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:Done anyway. If links break, we can fix them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
::I tried {{template|anchor}}ing it. I hope that stops those links from breaking. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:08, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
:::You, sir, get six points and a fancy hat. (That is, of course, assuming the links lead to your anchor...) ;) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:12, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
::::From what I'd seen, most linked to Attraction (which if spotted, should be changed). I'm surprised it took so long before someone noticed that it was infatuation. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

==Infatuation in Double Battles==

If a Pokémon becomes infatuated in a double battle, is it only affected by infatuation if it tries to attack the Pokémon that used Attract on it/affected it with Cute Charm, or could it be immobilized attacking either foe? {{unsigned|HerbieHero}}
:Pretty sure it's immobilized entirely, ie attacking either foe. [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 12:02, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

== Are you sure ice types can be frozen in gen I games? ==

It says on here that ice types can be frozen only in gen I. Most people are saying that's not true and I tested it on the yellow version and couldn't do it. Are you guys sure? [[User:Subsmoke|Subsmoke]] 17:30, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:For the record: after further evidence in {{bmgf|60447|this thread}}, the ''except for Generation I'' has been removed from the page. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 08:00, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

== Staraptor? ==

The picture next to "Poison" is of Gliscor being affected by poison, but the caption underneath it says that Staraptor is being affected by poison instead. I'd fix it but I don't know how to edit picture captions. Could someone tell me how or fix it for me?--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 11:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
:The file was updated without being checked. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Status_ailment&diff=prev&oldid=1156649 Here's how I fixed it]. File embedding is quite straightforward on a wiki: simply type something like <nowiki>[[</nowiki>File:Imagename.{{tt|ext|extension i.e. jpg, png}}|{{tt|displaytype|thumb, or frame, or nothing}}|{{tt|size|i.e. 220px}}|{{tt|alignment|left, right, center}}|Caption]]. Easy when you get the hang of it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

== Status problems in Rumble ==

Someone mentioned that Poison-types cannot be poisoned, but in Pokémon Rumble they can. Also in Rumble, status problems are removed when moving to the next floor in an area (I believe this is also true in Mystery Dungeon, but I'm not 100% sure). Additionally, moves that restore health in Rumble do so over time, an effect which is removed by going to the next floor as well. I don't know if any of this is worth mentioning here, but I figured I would bring it up.
[[User:ILOVETOGETIC|Pokémaniac]] 21:52, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

==Infatuation==

Under infatuation can someone remove that Mew can infatuate other genderless pokemon, I tested it and it doesn't work. And I can't remove it because it won't let me edit the page. [[User:Pikiwyn|Pikiwyn]] 19:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:Removed. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:32, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks [[User:Pikiwyn|Pikiwyn]] 23:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Badly Poisoned Counter + Baton Pass ==
If a Pokémon is badly poisoned and it is Baton Passed to another Pokémon that is badly poisoned, does the badly poison counter reset, or is it kept from the Baton Passer? e.g. A Pokémon is badly poisoned for three turns and then uses Baton Pass to a Pokémon that is also badly poisoned. Does the new Pokémon lose a quarter of its health (1/16, 1/8, 3rd turn = 1/4) or does it start over and only lose 1/16th? —[[User:Naokohiro|Naokohiro]] 21:45, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
:The counter gets reset, I tested it. [[User:Pikiwyn|Pikiwyn]] 16:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

== Each major status ailment in its own article? ==

As it stands now, all status ailments, including the five major ones, share this article. I think there is much more that can be said about each of the major ones (plus the most common minor ones like flinch and confuse), enough so that they would merit their own article. This includes detailed effect descriptions, a list of moves (which already exist, they would just be integrated into the article), and related abilities and items (such as Flame Body or Flame Orb for burn).

I've made an [[User:Memo326/Burn|example page for a stand-alone Burn article]], made from the info in this article, the [[list of moves that burn]], the [http://dragonflycave.com/status.aspx status effect resource over at The Cave of Dragonflies], and common knowledge; it was pretty simple to create. (If this ever comes to the mainspace, the List of moves that burn article would then redirect to the moves section in the new page). So, do you agree that the most important status ailments deserve their own articles? '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 04:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:I would say that burn, freeze, paralysis, poison, sleep, confusion, flinch and possibly infatuation deserve their own pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
::I like your Burn page. If we can enough information about each status that SnorlaxMonster listed, then I'm fine with separate pages for each status condition. I.e. enough info so that none of them are stubs. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I like your article, my only comment would be to recommend removing the "Advantages" section. Bulbapedia is not here to provide strategy (beyond the empirical details of a given move) and this would be very subjective.--[[User:Beligaronia|Beligaronia]] ([[User talk:Beligaronia|talk]]) 08:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Would we have to locate them all at '''NAME (status ailment)''' due to poison? Also, if these pages were to be created, a lot of switch statements would need to be made in {{template|Status}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:02, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::I think it would just take one. <nowiki>[[{{#switch: {{{1|poison}}}|poison|burn|sleep|etc.={{{1}}} (status ailment)|Status ailment#{{{1}}}}}]]</nowiki> should do it. Since consistency is good, they would need to be at ''Name (status ailment)'' or ''Name (status)'' <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::I was expecting we would have to compensate for all those different ways of saying it, like burn, burnt, burned, burning. I was expecting more of this:
<code><nowiki>[[{{#switch: {{{1|}}}
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::::::However, it shouldn't matter too much --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::To Beligaronia, I made the Advantages section so that I could logically include abilities or moves from which a Pokémon would benefit with a status ailment, such as {{a|Guts}} or {{m|Facade}} from burn, paralysis and poison, {{a|Steadfast}} from flinch and {{a|Tangled Feet}} from confuse, which don't fit under "causes" or "prevention and cure". I didn't want to separate by moves/abilities/items since in the same way that a move that may paralyze should be distinct from {{m|SmellingSalt}} (which would fit under "prevention and curing"), an ability which makes a Pokémon immune to paralysis ({{a|Limber}}) should be separated from an ability that causes it on contact ({{a|Static}}). Perhaps there is a better name/better way to organize it to remove the subjectiveness, but moves/abilities like Guts, Facade, Steadfast need to stay as they're related to the status ailment. '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 20:56, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::@SnorlaxMonster: We could also have a second parameter for display text.
::::::::@Memo: I see where you're going but your advantages section would need to be rewritten because it makes hints and suggestions (''being poisoned works more effectively''). Would "benefits" be a better retitle or is that going in circles? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Actually, in what I suggested, there is a second "display" parameter. As for "benefits", that still sounds a bit subjective. After "causes" and "prevention and cure" we should have "other effects" or "dependencies". --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I like the idea of major status ailments having their own articles. This page is too cluttered, and doesn't even have all the information one might be looking for when they want to find out about a specific status ailment. I might also suggest that these pages have "In the anime" sections where they can detail occurrences from the show, such as when Ash's Charizard was frozen solid in the Orange Islands. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

== Constriction ==

Should we include this. Examples: whirlpool, wrap, and bind {{unsigned|Sudowooper}}
:Added. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== WTF Err ==

I believe the image of Turtwig being harmed by Leech Seed should be removed from this page and instead put in a trivia section of the Leech Seed page. It is an inaccurate depiction of Leech Seed... its a grass-type... if I'm unmistaken...
[[User:Feng277394|Feng277394]] 07:40, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
:Leech Seed doesn't affect Grass-types... but until we have a better image, we'll keep using this one. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:20, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
::There are many better examples of leech seed that are already located on the Leech Seed page. Although no changes may be made to this page yet. We could atleast add this image to the errors/trivia section of the Leech Seed page or of the episode this originated from.[[User:Feng277394|Feng277394]] 23:44, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Why the heck is this page populated by screens from the anime anyway? Even aside from this hysterical display of the show's blatant disregard for how the games work, they don't do an especially great job of showing what the status problems really do. Beyond aesthetics, at least. [[User:BP|BP]] 04:10, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
::::If you have an issue with it, the page isn't protected. Rather than just complaining about it, why don't you try and get some good images from other media and add them? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:47, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::I could. I may. Who knows. [[User:BP|BP]] 07:40, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::Well, we could use [[a:File:Bulbasaur Leech Seed 4.png]]; however, a recent image is preferred to an older one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Confusing Ducks? ==

This is something that's been bugging me for a long time. I realize it's not too relevant to this article itself, but I don't know where else to ask.

Does anyone here know why confusion makes ducks spin around the Pokemon's head, from Gen III onward? (Maybe II if I recall wrong) --[[User:Aescula|Aescula]] 05:58, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CirclingBirdies Typing cartoon thing]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:11, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

== Animation ==

Does animation starts in Generation II or III (not in I. In I, it just shakes and there is text)? I can provide screenshots for both (as they are not present in articles) [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 14:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

== Confusion turns ==

I have a question about
* the turns of being confused, says that 'Confusion wears off after 1-4 attacking turns', does it means when the random confused turn is 4, so that in fourth turn, the pokemon will out of confusion? Same question to the other status like sleep / taunt / disabled etc..
* when does the confusion turn counter decreases? also the other turn counters? [[User:Kolu|Kolu]] ([[User talk:Kolu|talk]]) 13:05, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

== King's Rock with multiple hits in one move. ==

Does the chance for Flinch apply once per move or once per hit? [[User:PLA|PLA]] ([[User talk:PLA|talk]]) 10:38, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Nature

2012-10-17T10:27:19Z

PLA: /* Trainer-card. */ new section

Any chance someone could include the flavours of PokéBlocks that each nature favours? It's hell trying to figure that out... ~~Ketsuban

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I just want to know how to make a graph so I can make a TM chart.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 17:46, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==Generation IV Natures==
I'm deleting the two natures "Friovolous" and "Meticulous"; there has been no word on these two new presumed natures since August 2006 at the latest, and all of the current major Pokémon sites have either not mentioned or denied these two natures' existence. - [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]]
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I'll delete the generation column because it has no relevance, as no new natures were introduced. - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]]

== Colo/XD ==

Could someone add how Natures affect Purification?

== Mostly rewording for clarity... ==

I reworded and expanded the pre-table description. There wasn't anything particularly horrible about what was there before, but it's more descriptive and more soundly worded now, imo.

== Umlaut? ==

I want to learn why is it "naïve" and not "naive" in this article. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 01:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== Compatability? ==

Do natures affect the breeding compatability in the daycare? (ie how much they like each other) [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 17:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:No. Egg groups, species and OT are the only things that affect breeding. Why? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

==Personality==
what about the other stat influencing thing? you know "Proud of its Power" "Likes to run" all that stuff we need that on here too [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 20:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:That's on a separate [[Characteristic|page]]...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Conflicting Nature and Characteristic ==

I have a Pokémon with a Rash Nature (+Sp Atk, -Sp Def) and "Somewhat Stubborn" Characteristic (+Sp Def). How will this affect the growth of its Sp. Def? --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 05:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:The characteristic doesn't affect the stats like nature does, it just means that it's highest IV is in the Special Defense stat, and so it isn't really ''+Sp. Def''. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:37, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

==Typo (I think)==
is it just me or does it say dv instead of iv on the article
look at this: Note that despite these relationships to a Pokémon's development, natures do not affect experience or DVs.)
see what I mean? ([[User:The snargret guy|The snargret guy]] 17:52, 23 January 2010 (UTC))
:IVs can also be considered DVs for '''determinant values'''. but everyone calls them IVs so, i changed it to that. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:05, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thanks ([[User:The snargret guy|The snargret guy]] 23:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC))

== In HG/SS/Pt ==

In HG/SS/Pt you can tell what effect the nature has on a Pokemon by looking at its stats. The increasing stat faintly glows red while the decreasing stat faintly glows blue. Can I add this to the article? '''''~♪''''' [[User:Zaveno|'''Zaveno''']] [[User talk:Zaveno|'''(Talk)''']] '''''♫''''' 20:15, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:From the second paragraph:
::''In HeartGold and SoulSilver the stats increased and decreased by a Pokémon's nature are outlined in red and blue respectively when viewing that Pokémon's Summary Screen.''
:It's already there. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:16, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== [[Pokéathlon]] ==
Shouldn't we add how Natures effect a Pokémon's Performance? I'll make the table if I have to.--[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 00:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Please do. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Wild Pokémon ==

Does the nature of a wild Pokémon effect how it will battle? Or are all moves chosen at random? For example, I battled two wild Torkoal in a row. One used Protect as much as possible while the other didn't use it at all. Could this be related to their nature? If this were true, would it be possible to predict how a Pokémon will battle in the Battle Palace by observing how it battles in the wild? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 21:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Chance for a Specific Nature ==

Are there percentages on which nature is more likely to "spawn" or is it completely random with a 4% chance for every nature? Greetz [[User:-Cipher-|-Cipher-]] 22:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:It depends on the [[Personality value]] of each Pokémon, and so is a completely random 4% chance. Unless you have a Pokémon with {{a|Synchronize}}. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:39, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
::If you want to go ''really'' precise, you could say that the Gentle, Sassy, Careful, and Quirky natures are ''very slightly'' less likely to be encountered due to the personality value's upper bound. (There are 171,179,861 possible personality values for each of the four natures I mentioned, but 171,179,862 possible personality values for each of the other 21 natures.) [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 03:56, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::: I feel like spinda now ^^, the less precise answer was more then enough =P but thx to both of you and werdnae are you tracking me down? xD if so, there's a new question in the sudowoodo talk page xD Greetz [[User:-Cipher-|-Cipher-]] 14:00, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not tracking you down, I just happen to see your edits in the [[Special:RecentChanges|RC]], or they happen to be pages on my watchlist. And if I know the answer to a question, I'll answer it. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

== Berry preferences? ==

Hello, I'm new to actually editing these pages. Forgive me if this action is a bit noobish, but I don't quite know where else to ask.

I was wondering why the section detailing which berries and such are preferred by pokemon of specific natures was removed. I can't seem to find it anywhere else on this site, and it was wonderfully helpful to me. D:

Is there a reason, or could it be re-inserted? ^_^; {{unsigned|Aecy}}

:It is there, but you have to understand the graphics. By the way, you have to sign your name only after your comment, not where you signed. --'''[[User:Netto-kun|Netto-kun]]''' [[User talk:Netto-kun|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Netto-kun|Contribs]] 22:48, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

OH! I see. It's far harder to extract the info I seek quickly, but I guess I can make use of it. Though perhaps it might be useful to put a quick reference chart for berry/nature preference on the berry page for the forgetful like myself... Because, come to think of it, it would be far more appropriate there.
~~Aecy

== New Table is terrible ==

Ewwww... the new table added by AquaDragon looks awful, and in fact has less functionality than the previous version (can't sort the table!). I don't want to just revert it without a bit of consensus though, so: Vote that table be scrapped for old version. [[User:Anaphysik|Anaphysik]] 19:03, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
:Do tell me why the table is awful. I know that if you are accustomed to the sortable list and you see a table, you would most probably reject the table. However during the change, I sought to make the list look more presentable and clearer, while preserving all the information on it (i.e. to say, the list and table are equivalent in content, only differing in presentation).
:First of all, the list is already somewhat repetitive; the colors already repeat themselves, (increases stat to favorite flavor, decreased stat to disliked flavor) and I do not think the colors make searching any easier (unless the colors are memorized and the searcher knows what each color represent). Secondly, I guarantee that searching through a table is faster: the whole table is within the searcher's field of vision, meaning to say the person searching can look at the whole table at one glance instead of up and down for the list. The sorting functionalities on the list only eases the search (rearranging alphabetically, I still have to search downwards for natures that appear in the center like Jolly, then look up and down [if i didn't remember] what each column represents. The need for sorting also proves that the list is quite messy to begin with).
:Lastly, the table takes up less space: visually its more squat and compact, and digitally, taking 4.3kb less space than the list means it loads faster (older browsers may not support sorting as well).
:OK, I'm not saying the table is the ''best'' solution to present the natures and all the data shown. Ultimately clarity and ease of understanding prevails, and if you do find a better solution (I think you will go with the list), then by all means go ahead and change it. Only time will tell :) ---> '''[[User:AquaDragon|{{color|6890F0|Aqua}}]][[User_talk:AquaDragon|{{color|7038F8|Dragon}}]]''' 02:26, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
::Remember the [[Bulbapedia:Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]] and don't just attack users like that, Anaphysik. Now, I know that the table currently does not look it's best right now but that's not how you should refer to users. It can be fixed. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 02:41, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:::I think you misread or something; I never attacked AquaDragon, and was talking entirely about the edit that he/she made (as can be seen in the page's history, it was made in one edit by, as I mentioned to be precise, AquaDragon). This is entirely about the edit, and not the author, so please do not have such a seemingly aggressive attitude (it almost sounds like you're trying to demonize me; that's not nice). [[User:Anaphysik|Anaphysik]] 20:57, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Singling out a specific user in association with something you think looks awful is rather insulting when you are on the recieving end. It would be better to say "I don't like the look of the new table, can we improve it by . . . ?" There is no need to "be precise" by specifying a specific user or edit unless it has been modified several times very recently, as doing so is insulting to the user on the recieving end more often than not. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:50, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I would like to second the motion of replacing the table with the original. It was hard to tell which column represents what in the new one. Personally, I think it's better to just look up the nature to see what it increases/decreases, rather than seeing which stat is benefit/demerit by a certain nature. Example: In the old table, if I needed to see which stat increases Attack, I can just look at the multiple boxes labeled "Attack" and see the corresponding natures, followed by the stat demerits, as well as Poffin flavors, etc in the following boxes. I will say, for the record, that I can understand the new table now. Regardless, it was a change that seemed unnecessary and not as easy on the eyes. [[User:Knuclear200x|Knuclear200x]] 08:26, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I find the new table to be much more efficient for quickly and easily looking up which nature I want, which is not the case with the old list. Although, I must say that the left column definitely doesn't need to be that wide. --[[User:Flib|Flib]] 05:23, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

==with regard to the nature table==
(also in response to the above)
OK, I've been thinking for a while, and I agree that the main problem of the table is '''understanding''' it more than searching for information. Therefore, for the time being, I've restored the original list, and put the table in expandable mode. Yes, I do know we do not usually put up repetitive information, but for the sake of discussion I shall reiterate my point on why I support the table.
* Firstly, the table cuts down on repetition. I'm also referring to the list's flavor column. Each stat is tagged to a flavor (attack-spicy), and if the nature boosts the stat, then the Pokémon will come to like the flavor (boost attack → likes spicy food), and will likewise dislike it for a hindered stat. I'm not sure why it seems important to have it beside and sortable with the nature; it sounds like the favorite flavor might depend on the nature.
:All right, so assume we get rid of the flavor column and then put up a separate explanation/table saying how each flavor is tagged to a stat and so on and so on, then we're practically left with a natures and the stats, which goes on to my second point, which is
*a table is much neater and organised. I know the list can do things like sort alphabetically, make it look nice and the table looks awkwardly messy because there doesn't seem to have any order (i don't think they will design the natures so that they look nice or ordered alphabetically in rows), but the table does present the same (or even more) information in a tidier fashion.
:OK, say you want to look up a nature, like Impish. So you look through the table, find it, then want to know what stats it boosts or hinders... so by looking at the column (decrease sp.atk) and the row (increase def), you know what it does, and additionally it tells you what flavors it likes/dislikes.
:Now for your example on searching for natures that increases Attack... won't it be more convenient to look up the ''row'' for attack instead of searching all the orange-colored boxes?
*Next is about space. OK it might not be a plus point, and I've mentioned it above, but I'd like to add that there are ''only'' 25 natures, so if a table can fit all that, then why not?
*Lastly, even if the list ''has'' to be there, the table would act as a compliment. Its like showing the two different solutions to a maths problem... after all, if anyone needed to copy down an offline version of the natures, i'm sure he/she will choose the table ;) ---> '''[[User:AquaDragon|{{color|6890F0|Aqua}}]][[User_talk:AquaDragon|{{color|7038F8|Dragon}}]]''' 14:27, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

== Everstone + breeding with male Pokémon ==

Currently, the article states, ''"From Emerald onwards, a Ditto or a female Pokémon '''(though increasing evidence points to BOTH genders)''' that holds an Everstone has a 50% chance of passing its nature to its offspring when at the Pokémon daycare[...]"''. (The emphasis is mine.) I understand that there's a lot of debate on the Internet whether a male Pokémon can pass down a nature with an Everstone, and I can say that's definitely true in Black/White. I bred a female Lax Gligar with a male Impish Gligar, with the male one holding an Everstone. I obtained approximately 15 eggs, and half of them were Impish. So, I think that we can conclude that this definitely works in B/W. (Also, as an aside, the female Gligar was Japanese, so the language restriction (which never made sense in the first place) was removed in B/W as well.) I haven't tried giving Everstones yet to male Pokémon in Gen IV games yet, but I will soon (or if someone else wants to try, be my guest.) --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 01:08, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:OK, as a follow up, I have decided to test all the Gen IV games I have: Diamond, Platinum, and HeartGold. Here are all the results:
:*'''Diamond''': Bred a male Adamant Aerodactyl (holding an Everstone) with a female Impish Aerodactyl. Both of them are English. 13 eggs were produced; none of them were Adamant.
:*'''Platinum''': Bred a male Quirky Slowpoke (holding an Everstone) with a female Lonely Slowpoke. Both of them are English. 15 eggs were produced; only one of them was Quirky, which probably was due to random chance as opposed to being influenced by the Everstone.
:*'''HeartGold''': Bred a male Adamant Mareep (holding an Everstone) with a female Docile Mareep. Both of them are English. 13 eggs were produced; '''eight of them were Adamant'''. So Everstone works on male Pokémon here.
:In conclusion: The first games where Everstone worked when given to male Pokémon were HeartGold and SoulSilver, and this was carried over to Black and White. In Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum, Everstone only has an effect when given to females and Dittos. --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 04:13, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

== that darn chart! ==

I thought someone restored the chart? Why can I still not organize it the way I would like to so that it is organized my increased stat? Please fix this somebody, I do not know how! [[User:Nokota|Nokota]] 17:01, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
:Click the little icon next to "Increased stat" in the top table. That sorts them by increased stat. Alternatively, read across the rows of the second table. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:41, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

== Opposing Natures ==

This isn't very important, but has anyone else noticed that natures that have opposing effects are usually opposite adjectives? For example, '''Brave''' is +Attack/-Speed, while '''Timid''' is -Speed/+Attack; '''Rash''' is +Special Attack/-Special Defense, while '''Careful''' is +Special Defense/+Special Attack; and so on? [[User:Dimenticare|Dimenticare]] ([[User talk:Dimenticare|talk]]) 01:17, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
:I'd say that is a pretty sharp observation. I don't know where it would be included in the article though--maybe in a Trivia section. I'd like to know if I'm the only one who thinks this belongs in a Trivia section of this article. [[User:Superbreeder|Super]][[User talk:Superbreeder|breeder]] 13:35, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
::Since it isn't true for all the natures I think it falls through. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] ([[User talk:Spriteit|talk]]) 12:25, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

== Japanese names in table and grid ==

Is there any particular reason the Japanese names appear on this page? There's already a separate page for translations linked at the bottom, and moreover it clutters up the grid making it harder to read at a glance. [[User:DuBistKomisch|DuBistKomisch]] ([[User talk:DuBistKomisch|talk]]) 12:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

== Trainer-card. ==

Would it be possible to gather some details about the nature-specific phrases? [[User:PLA|PLA]] ([[User talk:PLA|talk]]) 10:27, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Evolution

2012-03-07T10:00:14Z

PLA: /* Evolution by level at level 100. */ new section

Ummmm.... The bit about Eevees at the end is plain wrong. Things don't evolve due to their environment. It is merely that the creatures that have a favourable variation survive to produce offspring and pass on their genes, and so more things have the variation than don't. This is like junior high-level knowledge. [[User:DanJimi|DanJimi]] 10:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

at the list of non-evolving pokemon, you see the last pkmn is aerodactyl but next to it is a picture of an kabutops

== Phione ==

I put Phione on the list of non evolving non legendaries, and it keeps getting removed. WHY???? It's not as though Phione is legendary. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] 02:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:Because in some people's minds, it is legendary. :/ [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 02:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

But it's not confirmed to be legendary. And IMO, the fact that one can recruit multiple Phione in MD2 PROVES conclusively that Phione is not a legendary (In the MD games, legendaries are strictly limited to one per game). --
''[[Glitch Pokémon|Glitch]] and [[Pokémon|Official]] Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|should be considered equal]]!-- quoted by {{u|Missingno. Master}}
 15:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:Please see your talk page, Missigno.Master. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 15:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

If it isn't a legendary, why is it banned from the battle tower? It's definitely not because of it's battle prowess. No. It's because it's normally unavailable in normal play. You still need access to Manaphy to get them.

It's no legendary, but it's still an event Pokémon in a sense. - PDL
:The only Pokémon banned from the Battle Tower are legendary. Phione is legendary, albeit the crappiest of them. Plus, Missingno Master, you might wanna do something OTHER than just adding Phione in there, such as, oh, changing the count to 43 and making it so the table isn't f'd up.
:Plus, here's the thing: how much of a chance does Phione have of getting evolutionary relatives? ZERO! It has Manaphy. The other 42 have at least a chance of that.
:Jeez, I understand being the devil's advocate, but Phione just isn't worth it. It sucks in battle, sure, but so do many other legendaries. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 08:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
::Devil's advocate? I wasn't suggesting that Phione should be listed >_>. However, I suppose I wasn't making myself clear enough. - PDL
:::No, the Pokémon banned from the Battle Tower are in the Uber tier. Note that Cresselia isn't banned, it's in the OU tier as well. Is it legendary? Hell yeah. (Yet it can compete in Uber if it really wants to..) [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
::::See, that's where fan definitions suck. Everything banned from the BT is legendary, the only exceptions to this are the normal legendary trios of each region (meaning, of course, that GKR and DPG aren't ''normal'' trios. They're mascot trios, though Giratina's not a mascot... but hey, it's a better name than other stuff), the Lati duo, Cressy, and Heatran. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 23:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Ahem. Phione is now officially not a legendary. [http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008 1] I take it this means I was justified in putting it back in the non-evolving non-legendary box thingy? --
''[[Glitch Pokémon]]. [[Pokémon|Official Pokémon]]. There is no real difference between the two. [[User talk:Missingno. Master|In my opinion]], the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno]][[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch|.]] [[User:Missingno. Master|Master]]
 11:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:Even if we assume that Phione is not legendary, which is unsubtantiated unless claimed or alluded to by the designers (that is, not any low-rank employee of an ''affiliated'' company), it still has no place on the list. The reason for this is that the list shows all Pokémon with ''some'' chance to evolve in later installments of the game. It has been observed, and in fact referenced in the Diamond and Pearl games, that legendaries need not evolve because they have reached their maximum potential as-is; therefore, there is no chance for any of the legendaries to evolve.

:It so happens that regardless of whether Phione is classified as legendary or not, there is no reason to believe that it will ever evolve. If it were to evolve, it would evolve into Manaphy, as any other scenario would be cumbersome (a legendary spawning a species not from its own family). However, the reason behind the fact that Phione does not evolve into Manaphy, which is that Manaphy is unique, will continue to hold beyond the current generation. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 14:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

:Missingno. Master, you do realize that link confirms that Phione ''is'' a Legendary, right? [[User:Gligar|Gligar]] 15:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

::This conversation is from six months ago. Pokémon.com did list Phione as a non-legendary for a time, then changed it to a legendary status. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

==Anime Evolution==
In regards to the relation between the evolution in the anime than in the games. Wouldn't The anime be more reasonably sound than the games. Because I doubt that if Pokemon were real that most of these evolutions would occur exactly as in the games. The way I see it, the only reason why a certain Pokemon evolves the way it does in the game (with the exception of evolutionary stones and such) is to make it difficult for the player and it would be easier for a Pokemon Game developer if they limited it to one specific set of circumstances.

Granted there are a few exceptions: Such as evolutionary stones, and specific locations for a Pokemon to evolve, and perhaps it knowing a certain move. Though with Evolutionary stones, in an episode it said that the wind was able to carry evolutionary stones, so couldn't certain Pokemon evolve that way when it appears it just evolves naturally or mysteriously?

As for leveling up and trading, those just seem to make it more difficult for a trainer of the games to obtain Pokemon, that could easily be gotten by easier methods. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 13:51, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

== new to community, first post ==

I'd like to add my finding in, I thought evolution however I'm not really sure how to add it in, and where it would go. I was trying to figure out if a pokémon whose evolution has been delayed would be as strong as the same pokémon of the same level and a "natural" evolution so what I did is I took a Pidgey and used rare candies to evolve it to 25 not allowing it to evolve until 27 the stats were as follows
71HP
39ATK
38DFNS
32SPATK
35SPDFNS
42Spd
I then reset the game
and gave the same pidgey rare candies this time allowing it the "natural" evolution at level 18 when it got to level 25 the stats were as follows
71HP
39ATK
38DFNS
32SPATK
35SPDFNS
42Spd

so we can infer that the level the pokémon evolves at does not affect the stats. If anyone wants to suggest a heading to put this in, or even shorten it up, by all means

== About the comment at the page bottom ==

EVOLUTION IS NOT ABOUT CELL STRUCTURE. Eevee's evolution isn't akin AT ALL to real evolution. Evolution is triggered by Natural Selection, therefore, a single species cannot evolve. Only a population can. Just thought to make a side note. [[User:JirachiWishmaker0802|JirachiWishmaker0802]] 09:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I'm a Biology student, evolution is about animals with favourable adaptations being statistically more likely to survive and so over many generations the favourable adaptations are spread throughout a population. Eevee's evolution is no way close enough to real evolution to get a mention, I will remove the sentence now... [[User:Prof. Pine|Prof. Pine]] 19:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== De-volution ==

Umm... Is it worth metioning in the article that only mentioned instances of "de-volution" is in Slowbro's pokedex entries. (When it loses its shellder) --[[User:Hyurnat4|Hyurnat4]] 21:28, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

: In the Pocket Monsters manga, It is also possible to De-volve as Isamu Akai's Clefairy evolved into a clefable and then back. Should this be added into the article as a subcategory, or as trivia? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 21:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Gender-related evolutions ==
It's worth noting that some evolutions occur (or don't occur) if a pokemon's a certain gender.

* Combee only evolves if it's female
* Kirlia will only evolve into a Gallade if it's male
* and Snorunt into Frosslass when female.

I thought this would be in the article, but Combee wasn't mentioned at all. [[User:LordHeinz|LordHeinz]] 00:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:All fixed I hope. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:54, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== Generation IV: Vulpix and Growlithe ==

Beginning with [[Generation IV]], it is now possible to get a Level 1 Ninetales/Arcanine by hatching a Vulpix/Growlithe Egg received from breeding and evolving the newly hatched Vulpix/Growlithe with a Fire Stone, making Vulpix and Growlithe the first Pokémon that can evolve to their final stage of evolution at the lowest level ever.
Unfortunately, the greatest trade-off of such an extremely premature evolution can be a poor move set which is very severe for Ninetales since it doesn't have any moves that it can learn by leveling up. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 09:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
: This severe trade-off, however, can be alleviated to some degree through Move Tutoring and the use of TM/HMs. Therefore, it is merely a matter of choice between high stats and a reliable move set for either Pokémon. --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 10:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:They aren't the first to do this. I can't remember for sure off the top of my head, but so can Togepi, Budew, and... yeah, it's early right now. Sorry. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 10:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
::Togepi and Budew do need to level up to evolve; however, it's true that many Pokémon can now evolve at Level 1. Staryu, Scyther, Onix, Porygon AND Porygon 2... basically any Pokémon which can both hatch from an egg and evolve without leveling up. So no, this isn't too notable. Although, come to think of it, perhaps Porygon ought to be mentioned, seeing as it's the only one to be able to evolve twice without leveling up. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:29, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It's noted on {{p|Porygon-Z}}'s and {{p|Roserade}}'s pages that they are the only two Fully evolved three-stage Pokémon which can be legitimately obtained at level 1, and I think it might be noted on some of the others' pages that they can be legitimately obtained at level 1. Question is though, is it worth mentioning it here? Because it could be slightly irrelevant, as the ability to obtain them at level 1 isn't ''that much'' related to evolution. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Budew can't evolve at level 1 though, which is why Porygon's family is more notable. But, if we were to go with "fully evolved" instead of Porygon's family being able to evolve twice at level 1, then we could throw Budew's family in there. But I'm more in favor of Porygon only. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:34, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Something like "Porygon/Porygon2/Porygon-Z is the only Pokémon that can evolve twice and still be at level 1." might fit nicely. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::I've reevaluated the relevance and importance of this information and came to the conclusion that it is valuable to players who want to go for the '''highest possible Stats''' for those particular Pokémon.--[[User:Arima|Arima]] 03:38, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::::It's possible to skip Budew altogether. The only way to get it through breeding is through having one parent hold a rose incense. - [[User:Gold Dialga|Gold Dialga]]

== A Generation V image can't be uploaded. ==

I made an image which is about Snivy's evolution, but it can't be uploaded. It says "Error creating thumbnail:". Is it too big? At first it was 2MB, but now it is 830KB but still can't be uploaded. What should I do?
I'm sorry for my poor English.--[[User:847418742|Togekiss of Moon]] 12:13, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Each generation introduces a new method of evolution.
Generation I introduces level-up, trading, and evolutionary stones.
Generation II introduces level-up with high happiness and trading while holding an item.
Generation III introduces level-up with high beauty condition.
Generation IV introduces level-up while knowing a certain move, level-up while holding a certain item, and level-up in a certain location.
Generation V introduces trading for a specific Pokémon. Should I add this to the trivia? [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 22:02, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

== Evolution by level at level 100. ==

As far as I know, an evolution by level is triggered by an actual level-up sequence, thus a level 100 unevolved pokemon can't evolve by level. I couldn't find a mention of this in the article. Is it accurate, and should it be either denied or confirmed by the article? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 10:00, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Move Reminder

2012-03-07T09:48:40Z

PLA:

Should we add Mystery Dungeon on here? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 01:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

==Eevee, Take-down, and Relearning==

This whole thing has been bugging me for quite some time now.

Eevee is a poor example of the limitations of the Move Relearner; in fact, Take-Down is just the sort of move the Move Relearner is made for. You level Eevee up until it learns Take-Down, then evolve, then use the Move Relearner to get the evolution's moves that you want. So rather than being an example of restrictions on the Move Relearner, it is in fact an example of HOW to use a Move Relearner. The only other true purpose of the Move Relearner is to gain 1st level moves (and, I guess, to remember moves you were forced to forget for an HM or something, but that's just poor planning and not a necessary problem). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 06:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually what makes Eevee special is that it is the only known Pokémon to use 3 different types of evolution methods, Take Down is the example of something that only Eevee can learn, though technically any Eevee-exclusive move will qualify. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 06:34, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== More specific? ==

The article leaves me a tad confused by "species". Does it mean, literally, the listed species of a pokémon? For instance, Chimchar and Infernape are both of the species "Blaze" pokémon. Chimchar can learn Flamethrower or Slack Off by levelling up, but Infernape can't. If you took an Infernape to the move relearner, could it learn these moves? It hasn't changed species, but it has evolved, and they aren't in its learnset any more. At present the article doesn't seem to answer this question for me. [[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 22:49, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:No. Species here means the [[Pokémon#Species|Pokémon species]]. So, no, Infernape cannot learn Slack Off or Flamethrower unless it learns them at the Chimchar stage. I'll add a link to the article to avoid further confusion. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:23, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
::1. So if Chimchar learns Slack Off for example, then evolves up to Infernape, then Infernape forgets Slack Off, can Slack Off be relearnt?
::2. How about bred moves that are forgotten? E.g. If I breed Blaze Kick to Chimchar, then he forgets it, can Blaze Kick be relearnt? --[[User talk:Qwertyasdf|(QQ)∞wertyasdf]] 05:40, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't believe so. You can't relearn TM moves once you delete them, right? It'll act the same. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
::::So no to both my questions? --[[User talk:Qwertyasdf|(QQ)∞wertyasdf]] 05:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Pretty much anything that is deleted which is not listed in that Pokémon's level up moveset can't be relearned and unless if it is not a one-of-a kind move then you have to start over with the process with TM's, HM's, Breeding, and Move Tutors plain and simple which is why I conduct research to avoid these problems. So just research the level up movesets more closely and if you want take precautions thats the best advice I can give.-[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 06:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

== Number of uses? ==

I have thought for a few years that any particular move could only be relearned once by any particular pokemon, specifically that a pokemon could not relearn a level list move that it had already relearned once before but later forgotten. Was this ever really the case? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:40, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
: No. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 09:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
:: Thank you. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:48, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Move Reminder

2012-03-07T09:40:14Z

PLA: /* Number of uses? */ new section

Talk:Battle Subway

2011-09-05T19:21:40Z

PLA: /* Wi-Fi */ new section

== Subway Master teams ==
It would be helpful if someone could do some research and find out the movesets on the Subway Master teams so the teams could be posted here. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:40, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:Even if you just have the Pokémon, it would be good if they were added. That way people can add to the movesets while battling. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:06, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
:: I created a page detealing Subway Master's movesets ... maybe my page could be moved to an official one..http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Crikko/Subway_Masters_Nobori_%26_Kudari --[[User:Crikko|'''★''''''Cri''''''ққ''''''ѳ~''''''*''']] 09:45, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I just noticed that page. I think it could be safely mainspaced and have the teams placed here under the correct lines. Really now it's better to have Black and White info in the mainspace so that readers can see that we have it, even if it's not complete. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I've gone ahead and mainspaced your team templates from that page. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:44, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ban list? ==

I constructed a preliminary list of Pokémon likely banned from the Subway. What can be addded/removed? - ''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'' 17:02, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

{| align="center" style="background: #505050; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 2px solid #6f6f6f"
|- align="center"
| style="background: #fff; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{ms|150|Mewtwo (Pokémon)}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Mewtwo}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{ms|151|Mew (Pokémon)}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Mew}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{ms|249|Lugia (Pokémon)}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Lugia}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{ms|250|Ho-Oh (Pokémon)}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Ho-Oh}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{ms|251|Celebi (Pokémon)}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Celebi}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{ms|382|Kyogre (Pokémon)}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Kyogre}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{ms|383|Groudon (Pokémon)}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{p|Groudon}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| {{ms|384|Rayquaza (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Rayquaza}}
| {{ms|385|Jirachi (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Jirachi}}
| {{ms|386|Deoxys (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Deoxys}} [[Form differences#Deoxys|Normal Forme]]
| {{ms|386A|Deoxys (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Deoxys}} [[Form differences#Deoxys|Attack Forme]]
| {{ms|386D|Deoxys (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Deoxys}} [[Form differences#Deoxys|Defense Forme]]
| {{ms|386S|Deoxys (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Deoxys}} [[Form differences#Deoxys|Speed Forme]]
| {{ms|483|Dialga (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Dialga}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| {{ms|484|Palkia (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Palkia}}
| {{ms|487|Giratina (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Giratina}} [[Form differences#Giratina|Altered Forme]]
| {{ms|487O|Giratina (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Giratina}} [[Form differences#Giratina|Origin Forme]]
| {{ms|489|Phione (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Phione}}
| {{ms|490|Manaphy (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Manaphy}}
| {{ms|491|Darkrai (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Darkrai}}
| {{ms|492|Shaymin (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Shaymin}} [[Form differences#Shaymin|Land Forme]]
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| {{ms|492S|Shaymin (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Shaymin}} [[Form differences#Shaymin|Sky Forme]]
| {{ms|493|Arceus (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Arceus}}
| {{ms|494|Victini (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Victini}}
| {{ms|643|Reshiram (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Reshiram}}
| {{ms|644|Zekrom (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Zekrom}}
| {{ms|646|Kyurem (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Kyurem}}
| {{ms|647|Keldeo (Pokémon)}}
| {{p|Keldeo}}
|- align="center"
| style="background: #fff; {{roundybl|5px}}" | {{MS|648|Meloetta}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Meloetta}} [[Form differences#Meloetta|Voice Forme]]
| style="background: #fff" | {{MS|648S|Meloetta}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Meloetta}} [[Form differences#Meloetta|Step Forme]]
| style="background: #fff" | {{ms|649|Genesect}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Genesect}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{ms|Egg|Pokémon Egg}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{pkmn|egg|Egg}}
|}(Updated by ''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'' 18:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC))
:If I recall correctly, Rotom formes aren't banned because they appear in all generation V games and aren't event exclusive.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 17:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
::Sweet, I had a feeling. I just needed confirmation. - ''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'' 18:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:::I can confirm this is right. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''''Pikiwyn''''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 21:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Wait....... If Phione is no longer considered a legend, why did Game freak put it on the banlist AGAIN? I mean, Zorua and Zoroark are also event-only but they're not banned..... I'm not trying to argue about Phione's status, but this just confuses me.... [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 03:00, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::They probably copied the old banlist without really changing anything. Rotom forms would have been changed because they weren't banned in the same way. However, this is forum talk. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:05, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== NPC pokemon teams? ==

I hear they're static, as Hilda (confirmed) used Accelgor and Eelectross in the Multi-train battles, but I want to make sure on that. And if they are static, should they be on Hilbert and Hilda's pages? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 06:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== Add to template ==

I'm thinking we should add the Battle Subway to the Unova location template. Wish I knew how to do that. [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 02:47, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

== Partner NPC Pokémon ==

Shouldn't there be a section here (or also in their pages) of the Pokémon that [[Hilbert]] and [[Hilda]] use as a partner? I have absolutely no problem to post them. '''''~'''''[[User:MickBooterhood|'''Mick''']][[User talk:MickBooterhood|'''Booterhood''']] 23:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
:If you have the data, go for it :) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:53, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
::Do I need to do it in both the trainer's pages and Battle Subway or only here is needed? '''''~'''''[[User:MickBooterhood|'''Mick''']][[User talk:MickBooterhood|'''Booterhood''']] 23:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
:::They would certainly go on the Trainer's pages. If they end up being lists as long as the ones on the [[stat Trainers]]' pages, then they probably don't belong here; however, if there are just a few, then they should go here too. If they don't end up going here, there should be a section link to Hilbert and Hilda's pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:39, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
----

==Worthy to note?==
I've noticed that unlike the past facilities, the Battle Subway does not require the defeat of the Elite Four to access. Course with the current rules to help with the server I can't really add this as trivia at the moment, but I wonder if this is worthy to note anywhere? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 02:29, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
::Crystal Battle Tower[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 15:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
==Train Descriptions==
I think either this page or the page for [[Anville Town]] should list the descriptions the worker there gives of each line's train car. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Subway Map ==

Shouldn't a full map of the battle subway lines be included in the article?
[http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leoddezmml1qe52gh.png] <- This, but blown up with visible names...
--[[User:Pendragon2|Pendragon2]] 19:05, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:It's a fairly basic image, with only right angles and 45 degree angles. It'd be cool if someone could trace it with a vector program; I think that'd be the best way to enlarge it. It could then either be converted back to a raster image or uploaded as is, depending on what the archives policy on vector images is. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:52, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== Reformat? ==

Would it be better to reformat this like the Battle Frontier page? A section per subway line with information on awarding battle points etc. The subway bosses could be moved to the bottoms of the sections as well. [[User:Theviolinkid|Theviolinkid]] 23:12, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

==Computer==
In the Battle Subway there's a computer that says its "under construction", what is it? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 13:14, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:I got it working now, it records your rank etc for the wifi train. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 15:17, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

== BP Yield ==

It doesn't say anywhere how many Battle Points you get for beating what in this article. This should be added [[User:Theviolinkid|Theviolinkid]] 03:00, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
::Done.[[User:Blitzamirin| ~ Blitzamirin ~ ]] 15:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

== Wi-Fi ==

I notice the article doesn't really say much of anything about the Wi-Fi line. I haven't tried it, but I've heard there's some kind of problem. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 19:21, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Struggle (move)

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PLA: /* Rough Skin / Rocky Helmet / Static / Et.c. */ new section

o_O Why on Earth does Struggle have a Contest description? --Ketsuban

1) There's one template that encompasses both move and contest info. 2) Maybe Struggle just happens to have those statistics in-built anyway? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:00, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's what was in Meowth's database anyway. I had some discussion with him on how to prove it, and he suggested {{m|Sketch}}ing it - but in light of recent data, that wouldn't work. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 00:37, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oops, I meant that if you have, say, a Smeargle with only one move, Sketch, and use it, and after using it in the contest, it wouldn't have any PP, so Struggle would be forced next. But since contests don't use PP, it wouldn't work to do. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]] 03:36, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Should we mention somewhere that Struggle, despite being Normal, seems to have no problem affecting Ghost Pokémon? [[User:Elsa|Elsa]]
:Probably so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Struggle may have contest data for the same reason that {{p|Arceus}} has a {{t|???}} sprite; so the game wont crash if someone uses a cheating device to force Struggle to be used in a contest. [[User:Bardock|3190]] 11:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== 25% ==

Struggle taks off one quarter of the users HP, regardless of the damage it does. It always has when I have used it. Definately not 50% of the damage it does. [[Image:Ani137MS.gif]][[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[Image:Ani233MS.gif]][[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']][[Image:Ani474MS.gif]] 20:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Some other Pokémon sites say the same. [[Image:Ani137MS.gif]][[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[Image:Ani233MS.gif]][[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']][[Image:Ani474MS.gif]] 23:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:Changed it! XD [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 15:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

== Type? ==

How do we know the type? Does it affect Ghost-types? Are we assuming it's a Normal-type move just because it is not super effective on anything??? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:21 18 Jun 2008'''''
:In the game data. Same as for the contest stats. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
::It's just a filler type I'm guessing. It's obviously not a true Normal type. It's only there to stop game crashes. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 14:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Aw, I was thinking about it and felt the need to look it up because I hoped it had the ??? type, that would make more sense but I guess since Struggle predates the ??? type they probably wouldn't have felt the need to change it to that, but it would make sense to have it be ??? type. [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 02:56, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

== Wobbuffet! ==

Does anyone have an image of '''Wobbuffet!''' using this attack? It was in the anime so I'm thinking we should puut a note in. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 14:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

== All? ==

Does Struggle take 25% of the user's HP even if it has an ability like [[Rock Head]]?
[[User:FireHazard|Slash!!]] 11:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, it does. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 15:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
== STAB ==
Is [[STAB]] applied to this move?[[User:Kkllnn|Blastoise RULZ]] 19:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:That's a good question. I'd imagine not, since Rock Head and a host of other things don't. They likely didn't make it ???-type just because of the fact that ??? moves do barely anything. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

== Blissey ==

I noted that Blissey doesn't take 25% of the damage it does with struggle... it instead takes something like 2500%. Anyone noted it? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:That's because it's not 25% of the damage caused (if it was, Blissey would probably take less than 3 damage per use). It's 25% of the user's maximum HP. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:16, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Wait. ==

What if a Smeargle used Sketch after the opponent used Struggle?! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:55, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:No, Struggle can't be learnt by Smeargle because it cant accually by "learnt" by any Pokémon. It just a replacement for when you've run out of options in a battle. The move will just fail. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== When used on Kecleon? ==

Makes it Normal again, or no? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:11, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

== Mewtwo Strikes Back ==

In the final battle at the end, is this what the Pokemon are using? It seems that they are hurting themselves by attacking and Mewtwo notes that he is supressing their abilities (which could be understood to mean attacks, as 'Abilities' hadn't been introduced by that point). If so should this be noted on the page? {{unsigned|DrStubbsberg}}
It's possible.--[[User:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] 20:03, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Normal-type? ==

If it hits all Pokémon with 1x effectiveness, including Ghost wouldn't that make it {{type2|???}}? —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 08:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:The info listed in the article is only what the game says it is, I once changed the amount of PP to the infinity symbol to find someone change it back and tell me this, you ''can'' mention that in a bit of trivia though, would also make a nice addition to the ???-type page, but be sure to state that it '''only''' ''acts as'' the ???-type [[User:Felinoel|felinoel]] 04:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::I tested it on a beldum (a steel type) and it wasn't very effective. Hope this helps. [[User:S and T|S and T]] 01:26, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

==PP?==
How come it says in the article that it has 10 base PP, then in the table it says 1? [[User:Juzey|Juzey]][[Shaymin (Pokémon)|!!]] ''([[User talk:Juzey|Talk]])'' 10:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
:Read the following section. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:49, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== Mirror? ==

Out of curiosity, can Struggle be imitated by an opponent knowing {{m|Mirror Move}} or {{m|Me First}}? --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 19:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)''
:No, the move would fail. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 20:22, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Still typeless? ==

Since the abolition of the ???-type and Future Sight and Doom Desire's inability to deal typeless damage, is this still typeless?

Also, we should REALLY test on Kecleon in all gens with Kecleon in it. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Rough Skin / Rocky Helmet / Static / Et.c. ==

It's a contact move, so deserves a mention either way, no? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 11:01, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Abyssal Ruins

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==Dive==
This is the ''only'' diveable location in Isshu?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:33, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes.
Also, the 1st floor has a relic vase, a relic statue, and multiple relic copper, silver, and gold (along with 14 plates). I don't know how to upload the images so can someone put it up? Thank you! ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 13:22, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

==Replenishing items==
Do the items replenish themselves over time? the relic gold and such?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:54, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:No. [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 01:45, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Items ==

There are more items in these ruins than is listed. I don't know their locations, or I'd just edit the page, but I've found four relic coppers, and according to the page and this discussion there's only three! Anyone know anything about this?[[User:Shadowhammer321|Shadowhammer321]] 10:03, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

This page is inaccurate. The items are different for every person, or at least, thats how it looks to me. I got a relic statue on the first floor, and that isn't on this page. I think that either the items are different for every person, or no-one here is getting all the items. --[[User:Fishmonk|Fishmonk]] 18:03, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

:See my comment further down the page. There are a huge number of items on the first floor in particular which aren't listed. The plates are correct, but there are a number of Relic items as well. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 19:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

The items are not different for every person. They are now updated with the accurate amounts for every floor. In total: 14 relic plates, 6 copper coins, 6 silver coins, 7 gold coins, 5 bands, 3 statues, 4 vases, 1 crown. [[User:Proton8|Proton8]] 00:12, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

== Floors ==

Another thing which confuses me is this talk of floors. I've not seen any stairs, it's just a 2d maze. If someone could make that more clear on the page, I feel it would be beneficial.[[User:Shadowhammer321|Shadowhammer321]] 10:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:At the center of the floor you enter on is a spot where you can ascend to the second floor. There are four floors in total. The item listing for the first floor is incorrect, by the way—there are a number of Relic Items on the first floor in addition to the Plates. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:22, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Language ==

What is the odd writing on the red squares? does anyone have a key? Also, do the different entrances hold different items?--[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 23:36, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:For the first two questions: see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=86617 this thread]. For the third question: no. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 23:40, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks. I discovered that third part shortly after posting (I'm currently playing), and the post was useful.--[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 00:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

OK, so. I saw that the translation someone added (matching the thread posted above) was deleted by someone else on the grounds of "verifiability" (or lack thereof). However, there [http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/pok-mon/abyssal-ruins-method-of-translation/t.70619547/?_gaia_t_=3934 are a number of] [http://www.pokemongts.com/showthread.php?tid=86133 sources over the internet that translate the pillars] to say the same thing. Regardless of whether or not the same method of translation is being passed around the fact is it works; I myself have literally just gone into the ruins and used it to translate some of the pillars myself into alphabet characters that (when read in the correct direction i.e. right to left & bottom to top and pieced together, since the pillars are scattered about) also corresponds to the message everyone else has gotten. Do it yourself, if you don't believe me. The fact of the matter is that symbols - whether or not they are cuneiform, which I personally cannot tell - can be translated and arranged into a coherent english message and I think they deserve to be added.[[User:Green Zubat|Green Zubat]] 00:42, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

== About those unknown symbols in the writing ==

Is there a particular reason they're numbered 3-6 instead of 1-4? Or is it just an arbitrary decision? [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 13:37, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

== Symbols. ==

How about adding them to the article? Anyone feeling up to printscreening or caligraphing them into a list? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 15:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

* [http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/pok-mon/abyssal-ruins-method-of-translation/t.70619547/?_gaia_t_=3934 This thread] might have what you're looking for. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 19:50, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
** Yar, like that. Good find. Some of the later comments there are apparently written with the stuff, as well. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 20:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Abyssal Ruins

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Talk:Village Bridge

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== Village Bridge draws inspiration from the old Italian bridge. ==

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:45, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Lyrics. The developer describes the key word in the interview. ==

The developer describes the key word "TASOGARE(黄昏)". [http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/staff/?p=210] The pronunciation of "TASOGARE" is clearly heard in the song. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:10, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Map ==

Huh, a village without a dot mark of any kind. The bridge can be called an icon, but isn't very distinguished from normal route lines. Blurs the area categorisations a bit. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 13:01, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
:Well we can't add trivia yet, but once the rule is removed it will be added. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 13:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, I know. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 13:25, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

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Talk:Gender

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==Gender Based Evolutions==

Thanks for making Gender Based Evolutions more detailed, Fabu-Vinny! I thought it was important, but I couldn't seem to describe it well.
--[[User:Cai|Cai]] 06:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== First mention? ==

Of differences between genders. Rustboro Pokemon (Lazy again) Center, male kid on the left. Trivia? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:09 7 Jun 2008'''''
:"Just like people, there are male and female POKéMON. But no one seems to have any idea how they're different."
:That seems more of an explanation for why the world's inhabitants don't know how breeding works... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 10:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::Seems to point the fact that before Gen IV there were no differences between genders, or maybe no one in the Pokémon world knows any of biology. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 00:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

== Larvitar ==

I'm pretty sure Larvitar is a female-only pokemon.{{unsigned|Retasulettuce}}
:Uh, you're wrong. No offense.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== Gender or Sex ==

Gender is ''not'' the same thing as sex. A gender implies identification with people of a certain sex, but not necessarily ''being'' that physical sex. The Pokémon here are physically of a certain sex or not, as are the male or female trainers. Thus, this page is discriminatory against transgendered individuals. If the game ever uses the word "gender", then this page shouldn't be moved. However, otherwise, it should be moved to "Sex". I know that some people have a irksome avoidance of usage of the terminology due to its [[Pokémon breeding|other meanings]], but in this case it is at the point of being discriminatory. If the games do actually use "Gender" in their own terminology, then it should be mentioned that when Pokémon says "Gender" it actually means "Sex", just like "[[Evolution]]" in Pokémon is a misnomer and is more related to concepts such as "Metamorphism". [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 22:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:You scientists and your wacky terminoligies... anyway, I'm 98% sure in-game it's referred to as gender. Besides, "genderless" sounds better than "sexless" [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''gar''']] 22:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Because Ditto's anything but. The game uses "gender" in the {{egg3|Gender unknown}} in Stadium 2. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::They also use "gender" in the Diamond & Pearl game guide by Nintendo Power:
:::"''When two Pokémon of opposite genders are left at the Pokémon Day Care at Solaceon Town, they may produce an Egg.''"- [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 22:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::::No one seems to have noticed the joke I made about Ditto... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::I thought it was hilarious. Nearly laughed out loud-[[User:RexRacer|'''RexRacer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 22:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::I never actually understood Ditto... It is supposed to morph into the Pokémon it's using {{m|Transform}} on, so why does it somehow become the ''opposite'' gender to the other Pokémon you left with it... Shouldn't it become an exact copy of the Pokémon you left with it? - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 22:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I'm sure we have better to do than talk about Pokémon.... intercourse. I can honestly see why this problem arose, and I have honestly wondered this myself. And that does make sense, why DOES Ditto become opposite gender? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|Rawr I say!]] 23:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
In battle does it copy genders?--[[User:RexRacer|'''RexRacer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 23:06, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::So far, it hasn't shown to gain a gender in battle (This could be due to a technical limitation, or the developers not thinking that players would even notice) However if it's making an exact physical copy of the Pokémon that Trasform is used on, it should ''logically'' also copy gender (or at the very least, the physical traits of gender) Anyhoo, we should probably take this to the forums since I think we're going a little past the actual subject at hand. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 23:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Or at the very least, Ditto's page.... [[User:The Dark Fiddler|Rawr I say!]] 23:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

So the games actually use the misnomer. Alright. Then a move isn't necessary. However, somewhere either near the top of the article, in a section "In relation to the real world" - as in the Evolution article, or in the trivia (least appropriate location of the three) it should mention that gender in Pokémon is really more akin to the real-world definition of {{wp|sex}} (not sexual intercourse, but the biological quality of an individual). It's not just science - and it's not about [[Pidgeotto (Pokémon)|pigeon-holing]] either - it's about not being discriminatory. I have transgendered friends. I know transexual individuals as well. They're different, and they prefer to be identified correctly, rather than being lumped together. It's like how we could say that that [[Dawn's Buneary]] is female, but it could actually be the other sex, and just identify with the female gender (note this is different than a suggestion that it is homosexual in liking [[Ash's Pikachu|Pikachu]]). [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:Look, the reason the games use the word "gender" is because it is a commonly accepted euphimism for biological "sex". '''''[[User:GuyNamedSean|Sean...]] [[Dialga (Pokémon)|Lord]] [[User talk:GuyNamedSean|of the]] [[Darkrai (Pokémon)|Shadows!!!]]''''' 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Despite their differences, it’s not clear that Pokémon actually have sexes in a biological sense, and the term “gender” is consistently used in the canon. It’s not sufficient when talking about human characters, though... and I don’t think it is ever used to classify humans in the games, is it? Don’t the professors just ask if you are a boy or a girl? --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 21:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
== Gender Counterparts ==

Alright, I keep seeing the argument about Tauros/Miltank connection, but people keep using other examples, specificly Nidoran♂/Nidoran♀ and Volbeat/Illumise. Could someone please confirm the relations of the Pokémon with '''known''' genderal relations, suspected relations, and just plain similarities? '''''[[User:GuyNamedSean|Sean...]] [[Dialga (Pokémon)|Lord]] [[User talk:GuyNamedSean|of the]] [[Darkrai (Pokémon)|Shadows!!!]]''''' 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
: The Nidos are OBVIOUSLY gender counterparts-they were gender counterparts before gender even existed! As for Volbeat,/Illumise, they happen to mention it in the Pokédex AND the anime. So your argument is invalid. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - [[User:Sk8torchic|Sk8torchic]]. 19:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:: I don't get it, personally. When i saw the Tauros/Miltank mix... i got really confused. I mean, they don't look similar at all like the Nidorans and the Volbeat/Illumise. Tauros is a more realistic style compared to Miltank's cartoony look. And they're just... i don't see the relation at ALL. Okay, so one is a bull and one is a... cow. o_o Can someone give me a few valid arguements to help me out? I just don't see why anyone would think they're counterparts. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 06:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::If you look at their availabilities, they are found in the same locations in GSCDPPt; and in DPPt their appearance rates are inverse of each other. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::::And the bull and cow thing... Pretty obvious... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Seems like a HUGE stretch to me... they're from different games, look completely different, and just... even if they happen to have similar locations, it's still weird. And Tauros is more of a wild bull than a steak bull. ._. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

== Heatran ==

As far as I know, Heatran is also a male-only Pokémon. [[User:Pandamonia|Pan]]·[[User:Pandamonia|da]]·[[User:Pandamonia|mo]]·[[User_talk:Pandamonia|ni]]·[[Special:Contributions/Pandamonia|a]] 02:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Male or female. --[[User:PsychicRider|PsychicRider]] [[User talk:PsychicRider|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|C]] 02:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== Nidorans ==

Why are they listed as unofficial? Nidoran♀ can produce Nidoran♂ eggs, regardless of the compatible male she breeds with. I just confirmed it after several friends said they tested it before as well. A Nidoran♀ and a male Marowak produced a Nidoran♂ egg. I plan to test this will Volbeat and Illumise later as well. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 06:57, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:It's unofficial because they're not one "Nidoran" species but they are considered two species (diff Pokédex numbers, etc). [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:59, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well they do have the same name, sort of. I don't want this to turn into a canon, fanon, or semantics arguement, but I think the fact that a Nidoran♀ can produce a Nidoran♂ egg, even without breeding with a Nidoran♂/Nidorino/Nidoking, is enough to make it official. In a sense they are in the same Pokemon family line, like a split evolution, only the split occurs before the egg hatches. Either way, it shouldn't be grouped with Pokémon that are indeed wholly unrelated like Tauros and Miltank. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 01:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

== Unofficial... ==

Yeah we need to use a different word. Illumise can make Volbeat eggs, and Latios and Latias are ''intentionally'' counterparts. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 11:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:Egg relatives? I hate not having an official term. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 23:34, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
::What did you have in mind?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:46, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I have rearranged things to take care of the Bug-types. I dunno what to do about the Lati@s, though, and “Egg relatives” wouldn’t cover them since they produce no eggs. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 21:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Gardevoir & Gallade; Glalie & Froslass. ==

They are currently in the same section as Lati@s, and not in the same as Mothim and Wormadam, despite evolving from the same species. Typo? Or is the game mechanic unofficial, somehow? --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 12:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think those families are unofficial because they have one member that can be either gender and one member that has a fixed gender. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:53, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::OK, that explains it. The word "unofficial" led me to think of disputed fan speculation, so it might be a confusing choice of word. Their relations are also a step more established than the Lati@s relation. --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 14:00, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

== Lati ==

Why are the Lati in the unnofficial section? They are confirmed to be the same Pokemon, similar to the Nidoran & Volbeat/Illumise, the only reason they are in the No Eggs group is because they are legendary.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 18:19, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

== lati@s ==

My friend is a real cheater and one time he used cheats to breed latias but the egg hatched into a latios!!
Is this a good fact to add? {{unsigned|Nickvang}}
:If it involves [[cheating]], it's not notable. --[[User:Carmenstar97|Carmen]] ''[[User talk:Carmenstar97|(Talk |]] [[Special:Contributions/Carmenstar97|contribs)]]'' 15:59, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
::Both Pokemon are in the No eggs group, so they cannot breed. Though I do not know what would happen if Latias was given the ability to breed with cheats, if it could produce Latios eggs. (A reliable source really should check if this is possible) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 16:04, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
:::It's not really about cheats but about the game programming so it's perhaps notable. Nickvang 18:43 5 June 2011
::::From the article: "Latias have produced eggs containing Latios in the anime", so it would make sense since the two are related. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 16:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

== Genderless ==

Would a list of genderless Pokémon be appropriate for this page? If not, will someone please link me to where said list is? [[User:Stmorawski|Stmorawski]] 22:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
: [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Gender_unknown_(egg_group) Here's] a place to start. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Castform (Pokémon)

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PLA: /* Type effectiveness */

{{Forme info|351{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 4}}|1=S|2=R|3=H}}.png|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 4}}|0=normal|1=fire|2=water|3=ice}}|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 4}}|0=normal|1=fire|2=water|3=ice}}|[[Form differences#Castform|Castform's forms]]|Castform as though it were in either it's Normal, Sunny, Rainy or Snowy forms. However, this cannot be accurately reproduced here|the artwork shown in the infobox, the type-themed color displays, the type effectiveness entry which is unhidden, the anime image shown, and the moves noted as [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] for this Pokémon|hour}}

== Marking [[Solarbeam (move)|Solarbeam]] as a [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] move ==

In most pages, {{M|Solarbeam}} isn't marked as a STAB move for {{T|Fire}} pokémon, since it usually isn't Fire type. However, in the case of Castform, any time that Castform is Fire, so is Solarbeam. Because of this, I marked Solarbeam as a STAB move for Castform's Fire type form. [[User:User142|User142]] ([[User talk:User142|Talk]]) 10:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Your logic is flawed for two reasons: one is quite simply that Solarboam is not powered up during strong sunlight (but rather becomes a one-turn move), the other is that whatever the case, STAB refers only to boosts due to type. This means that even if you were correct about Solarbeam's boost, it would still not be called STAB. If to elaborate, during strong sunlight or rain, not only does Castform type change (hence STAB), but Fire or Water-type moves receive an ''equivalent'' boost to that of STAB. It is necessary to distinguish between the two effects, if only for the fact that they can be combined into a 2.25 boost when a Fire or Water-type Pokémon (or Castform) is involved. Treating them as one effectively disregards that advantage - a vital one in Castform's case.

As a rule, the different terminology are best left separate. This also applies to base stats and type effectiveness - factoring Defense and Special Defense into the latter results in meaningless statistics. Simply put, the damage formula is not in direct proportion to the defense stat, unlike your assumption in computing the numbers. I will be glad to explain the formula at length if you are not convinced, as I hope to recruit you to revert your many edits pertaining to type effectiveness. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]

Reading your sentence again, it seems that I was confused as to the source of your misconception. I imagined you had thought Solarbeam was powered up under strong sunlight in addition to Fire-type moves, which I could understand, but you actually seem to have thought its type changed. Either way, it is a mistake.

I will say that in Castform's case, weather effects deserve to be taken into account when computing type effectiveness in the same way Ninetales' Flash Fire ability is factorized. However, you considered weather effects as doubling or halving, when it is, in fact, a 1.5 or 0.66 multiplier. --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]]

There are only THREE moves that change their type at all: Hidden Power (varies between each individual Pokémon), Weather Ball (changes type depending on the weather), and Judgment (changes type to match the Plate held by the user; Normal-type if it's not holding a Plate). Solarbeam is ALWAYS a Grass-type attack, no matter who uses it. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Sand Form ==

Castform has a sand form, correct? If so, some should get a pic up.
:No it doesn't. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 12:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

==Custom Forms==
Can somoene like, make their own custom sandform sprites: I want to see what people think sandstorm castform, night time castform, fog castform, the magical glitter thing that happens in snowpoint and their shiny sprites would look like!!!!!!!--[[User:1i2h3c4c5e6|1i2h3c4c5e6]] 05:09, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
:Uh, no, this isn't a fake sprite request page. Also, the Castform forms don't have different shiny sprites, just the normal form does. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 05:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
::Yea, we're an informitive wiki, not a fan site. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 13:39, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

==Castform being a non-artificial pokemon==

I don't think Castform should be marked as an artificial pokémon because a) it cn be found in the wild b) you can breed it and c) Mewtwo is a one-off genetically mutated pokémon therefore it is an artificial pokemo because there is only one of it and it was manmade. Also all porygon are manmade and cannot breed and therefore the species should be marked as an artificial pokemon. Finally as an ending note Castform are said to prefer grass lands in the wild which goes to support point A showng it not to be an artificial pokémon. Hence I would like to change the information about Castform being an artficial pokemon --[[User:Wikid|Wikid]]
:Porygon can be found in the wild, too. Same place as Castform, in fact! And let's not forget, Porygon ''can'' breed. Get a Ditto, put it in the daycare with Porygon or any of its evolutions. Pow. Egg.
:Anyway, I honestly don't know who marked Castform as artificial, though I initially thought it may have been created due to its home of the Weather Institute. Who freaking knows, anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

::Well yeah but almost anything can breed with ditto and besides castform can actually have genders and breed with other pokemon besies ditto. Also, who's t say that those porygon aren't imported to the trophy garden (the only actual place to find "wild" porygon)?

::Also porygon is JUST programming, nothing else and Mewtwo is basically just a pimped up version of Mew. Castform isn't from any template like programming or another pokemon, its a pokeon in its own right, therefore it should be marked as one and not artificial.--[[User:Wikid|Wikid]]
:::Well if you wanted to change it you're free to. I wouldn't have noticed otherwise, actually. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Teruteru bozu ==

Isn't Castform based on {{wp|teru teru bozu|this guy?}} --[[User:Kaoz|Kaoz]] 13:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

:Seems very likely. Why not add it to the article? [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 18:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Can this be made a bit clearer? ==

The article says that Castform will not transform in fog or a sandstorm. Does that mean it stays fire-form if it goes from sunny to sandstorm? If it changes to normal-form, it should say that. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 18:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Silhouette ==

The orange colored silhouette featured on the Platinum hand-out leaflet looks similar to Castform. It may in fact be either a fog or sandstorm form for Castform. Anyone else's thoughts? --[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 17:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:Those are all alternate forms of {{p|Rotom}}. The silhouettes are just another continuation of Game Freak's "Alternate Form" obsession they seem to have now. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:16, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

::Obsession or not, I really like the idea of alternate forms. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 18:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Spritebox ==

Shouldn't we change them so it shows all the forms (but not shiny of course) I made templates for it but they don't work. Here they are: [[Template:Sprite/4/4formes/1shiny]] and [[Template:Sprite/3/4formes/1shiny]]. Does any one else theink that this should be changed?--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 16:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:Of course they don't work. They aren't integrated into the main template. I'll get to work doing so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I had an idea for Pokémon with completly different types between their forms (like Castform and Wormadam). I copied my GenIII Castform Spritebox as an example and posted it in the sandbox. If an admin could take a look at it and give it the thumbs up/down then change the templates if necessary they could then remove it from the Sandbox.
P.S. the lines seperating the boxes could still be the primary type of the Normal form.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 22:24, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

== About the whole Sun/Rain/Hail forme-thing ==

Currently, this article labeled it's forms as Sun/Rain/Hail.
However, according to the TCG, it's cards referred it's formes as: Sunny/Rain/Snow-cloud respectively.

Assuming that the TCG's the "official" thing (seeing as they did the same thing for the upcoming Rotom-formes cards), shouldn't we rename it's other formes, then? Just asking for some confirmation. [[User:InfinityByZero|InfinityByZero]] 23:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

:Ithink it already said that but someone changed it. It was probably right before.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 04:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
::The TCG's classifications were superseded by a guidebook. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== Type ==

Isn't Castform a Normal-type? It says Normal-type in the first statement but it has Water marked as its type. It also has blue everywhere. Did it change types in Platinum? [[User:Shanegon34|shanegon34]] 22:33, 5 April 2009 (UTC)Shanegon34
:Yeah, it's normal but the page is set up to show a type randomly. You ended up seeing the water one, but over time the Fire and Ice will show also. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
::It changes with the seasons: Spring's Water, Summer's Fire, Fall's Normal and Winter's Ice. It's mostly aesthetic anyways, most people know that Castform can change types and it says so in the article, the colours just make the article pretty anyways and I should hope people can figure out STAB for the four types. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|MisterE13}} ([[User talk:MisterE13|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|contribs]]) ''
:::A ''WHOLE SEASON'' before it changes again??? That's '''3 MONTHS'''!!! That time has to be shortened to like a day, at most. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
::::TTE likes all the changers to be different among the evolution families. I thought that seasons worked: There's the right number (4), like Castform, they are greatly associated with nature and each one has a "signature" weather condition associated with it which all fit with Castform (spring has rain, summer has sun, winter has snow and fall has no real weather (barring perhaps fog which keeps Castform Normal anyways)). Feel free to respond on my talk page, I've pretty much made it my personnal mission to perfect the display of all alternate forms on this site.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::I like them to be different, yes, but a whole year for the cycle?! That's just gonna confuse the hell out of people, especially since it's only in its base form in fall, and there's no note unlike what Arceus has. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'd like to weigh in here. In my opinion, we should only have #switch changes when the Pokémon in question can maintain that form outside of battle. It makes logical sense to me, especially since these are the Pokémon that generally different movesets for each form. Because, really, the point of this was to not only show off fancy artwork and coding, but to identify the differences between the two (or more) forms. Nothing about Castform changes, except the picture and a few STABs. As MisterE13 said, people should be clever enough to figure out how that changes for every form it has. It really is confusing, especially since hardly anything changes, and it changes very rarely. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It's just the type colours and STAB that change. Not eve artwork. I'll soon whip up a notice for Pokémon with different forms anyways.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 20:36, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well if there's no artwork, why do we bother? There is nothing wrong with Castform being displayed as a normal type, like it is, say, in the party (unlike Arceus). — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::It started being with show/hiding the type effectiveness. But then, I thought it might look better if, like Arceus, the effectiveness shown corresponded to the type. I'm about to make a notice template for them all. It will be great.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::I guess I wasn't the only person who thought this was a bad idea. That is way to long for a cycle. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 01:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Evobox ==

Colors should be fixed to match up with the rest of the page. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
:I just made some modifications yesterday. I just need to tell an admin so it can be changed. I also made one for Shaymin.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 16:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== Italics indicate an evolution of this Pokémon ==

Water, Ice, and Fire-type attacks are listed in italics as getting stab for an evolution of this Pokémon. That's all fine and good, but Castform doesn't have an evolution. Or a pre evolution. At least, not at the time being.

Anyways, I understand that this is part of the template with all Pokémon, but is can't this be an exception? If not, can the italics be removed? I don't think it belongs here. {{unsigned|Skaiisdead}}
:Evo/prevo/alternate forms... They're all the same. I've made a note on the template. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Cheap? ==
Doesn't the SRE and the DPPt and the HGSS sprites for the other forms look a bit too similar? If so, shouldn't something like this be in the trivia section?

''"In Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Heartgold, and Soulsilver, the weather sprites for Castform are just recolored sprites from Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald."''

--[[User:PKFL 531|PKFL 531]] 03:12, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

:: They aren't even recolored (except for maybe the white), the only change is a smile added to the Hail form. [[User:R S E FR LG|R S E FR LG]] 18:03, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

== Just an Idea ==

why don't we have something like we do on the arceus page, the rotom page, and a lot of other pages which has a "rotator", so different formes can be shown. Just an idea. If you tell me how i'll gladly help you do it. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 10:40, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:well? [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 13:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::Arcues and Rotom are different from Castform, as they can be kept in their form outside of battle, while Castform can only change during weather. So, no. --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 15:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Small issue with that. Cherrim gets a rotator, despite not keeping its form outside of battle --[[User:Shadowater|Icalasari]] 07:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Agreed. I'll try and make one... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 19:25, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Artwork ==

Where is the artwork for the other three Castform formes? (The same problem arises with Unown.) [[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 19:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:There is none unfortunately.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:42, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::darn, oh well. at least not having a rotator makes sence then... [[User:Megadog|Megadog]] 03:46, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

Why is the Shiny sprite from Emerald so small? {{unsigned|Flyingtypefan}}
:It's a server sync issue. It's displaying the properly sized image at the size of the cropped down image, making it appear smaller. It should fix itself given time. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:41, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

== Switchy thing ==

We need one. No excuses. Can someone add one to the page? If no-one gets round to it I can do it, though I won't be able to start until 10:00pm. I've made one for this talk page, which can be added once the main page is done.

{{Forme info|351{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 4}}|1=S|2=R|3=H}}.png|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 4}}|0=normal|1=fire|2=water|3=ice}}|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: H}} mod 4}}|0=normal|1=fire|2=water|3=ice}}|[[Form differences#Castform|Castform's forms]]|Castform as though it were in either it's Normal, Sunny, Rainy or Snowy forms. However, this cannot be accurately reproduced here|the type-themed color displays, the type effectiveness entry which is unhidden, the anime image shown, and the moves noted as [[Same-type attack bonus|STAB]] for this Pokémon|hour}}

'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
:The switches on this page were removed last year as Castform cannot hold its alternate forms outside of battle. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:08, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
::Darmanitan (which unlike Castform, does not have any alternate form artwork) and Cherrim have switches, even though they cannot keep their forms outside of battle. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:53, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:::I think Darmanitan can retain its alternate form outside of battle if its HP is still lower than 50%. If Cherrim has a switch function, however, then there's no reason why Castform shouldn't have one. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:18, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
::::We do overdo the switches. Also, Darmanitan cannot hold its form outside of battle. This is more of a case of Cherrim and Darmanitan's switches being potentially removed than Castform's being added (kept). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:06, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

== Menu Sprite ==

Just below the sprit template, there is the ''For other sprites and images, please see Castform images on Bulbagarden Archives.'', however, only one of Castform's menu sprites is shown, unlike other Pokemon with form differences. Could someone add the rest? (I've tried, but I dont know how) '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:16, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
:Well that's from when there was only one menusprite... And since the main sprite template is protected and is being remade it might just have to wait.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:49, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
::Does it have multiple menu sprites? Because it doesn't in Generation IV. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:39, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
:::HGSS's PokéDex Forme option added them. Same as Cherrim.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 11:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

== Type effectiveness ==

Skimmed the trivia and type charts. The main page doesn't seem to note that Sunny Castform will for most of the time not take 2× damage from Water attacks due to harsh sunlight, nor that Rainy Castform will for most of the time take less than ½× damage from Fire attacks due to heavy rain. This kind of note would be redundant for any pokemon that doesn't have Forecast, but Castform does have Forecast. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 08:54, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
:True, but those do not change type matchups. If you use a Water-type attack on Castform while it's sunny, it will still say "it's super effective". The weather activates separately. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
::Of course, it's still super effective, which I imagine would still have an important effect under some circumstances. But the damage results are affected in a noteworthy way. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Castform (Pokémon)

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PLA: /* Type effectiveness */ new section

Talk:Mandibuzz (Pokémon)

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PLA: /* Possible Trivia */

==Possible Trivia==
I've been playing through White for a while (past the elite 4), and I haven't seen ''any'' trainers with either Washibon, Wargle, Baruchai or Barujina, so can these Pokemon only be seen in White & Black respectively, like Magmar & Electabuzz were in Red/Blue? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 14:13, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
:Cynthia has a Braviary. So Braviary can be seen in Black at some point. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:38, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Miles of [[The Riches (Trainer class)|The Riches]] also has a Braviary in his roster -- however it seems '''nobody''' has a Mandibuzz or Vullaby. This would make Mandibuzz the '''only''' version-exclusive evolutionary family (at least in Unova) which players of the opposite version ''cannot'' acquire on the GTS. Dream World notwithstanding, the only way to acquire one in Pokemon White version is by negotiating a trade with another live player (either locally, or by GTS Negotiations).

...Which, in my case, took several ''hours'' of assorted negotiations before I found someone offering up a Mandibuzz. A bit of a headache ... but ultimately with a happy ending. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 07:27, 13 April 2011 (UTC)''
::What? Just like Cyndaquil and others in HG/SS, then. What was that rumour I heard a year ago about something being done about that kind of GTS malfunction, then? Adding a trainer would work, but the specific rumour was on some change to the GTS, like scrapping the requirement at some point. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 14:25, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

== Rivals ==

Has nobody seen that Braviary and Mandibuzz rivals are. By leveling up they learn there moves on the same level has four start moves and are not catchable in the same game. Braviary is only catchable in White and Mandibuzz only in Black. Can somebody add this to the trivia--[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 07:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
:First of all, they aren't "rivals" unless their behavior suggests it. Zangoose and Seviper are rivals, but these aren't unless a dex entry or something confirms that they treat each other as such. However, they could be considered counterparts—they have parallel base stat totals, movesets, evolutionary lines, and on top of that are version exclusives for opposing games—and that is something which could go on the page. However, the only place that would fit is trivia, and seeing as the addition of trivia is currently prohibited, that edit's going to have to wait. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:37, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
::Also Braviary and Mandibuzz have the same weak points, Electric, Rock and Ice. They have also the same base stat: 510.--[[User:Nazirbashir|Nazirbashir]] 19:27, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Cursed Body (Ability)

2011-05-15T13:46:51Z

PLA: Protect

== Protect ==

Is it true that Protect, unlike Substitute, doesn't interfere with Cursed Body? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 13:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Challenger's Cave

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PLA: /* Supposed legendary pokemon. */

Isn't the trainer's romanization [[Veteran]] '''Y'''ulia and not Veteran''' J'''ulia? ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 22:17, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
:Yulia is the Russian version of Julia. It's probably safe to assume that whoever put that there either did not know this, and thought it was a developer error, or that they did, and simply changed it for the convenience of the mainly English-speaking Bulbapedia. Or it could just be a typo, and I'm over-analyzing.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I lie in wait...... 02:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

== Supposed legendary pokemon. ==

Any guesses? What's the translated word for "legendary", by the way? Is there any chance the line is simply referring to some Riolu being trained by a Lucario in this cave? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 17:31, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:Lucario and Riolu aren't legendaries. The Pokemon referred to are Keldeo and one of the Musketeers [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:04, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
::I know. That's why I ask about the translation. Ah, so there's a hint at Cobalion and its students I've missed. Another NPC? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 20:30, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry, brain stop. I mean Keldeo, not Cobalion. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 20:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Pretty sure you did mean Cobalion. It's the veteran, while Keldeo is its pupil. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 20:51, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
::::That'll teach me to edit in a hurry. I don't even know what I mean anymore. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 14:21, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Challenger's Cave

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PLA: /* Supposed legendary pokemon. */

Talk:Challenger's Cave

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PLA: /* Supposed legendary pokemon. */

Talk:Challenger's Cave

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PLA: /* Supposed legendary pokemon. */ new section

Talk:Twist Mountain

2011-05-12T14:40:18Z

PLA: /* Fossil Guy */

== Ridge ==

It's called Ridge, or the Ridge, however you prefer, not "Spiral Mountain". It's not even a mountain, let alone a spiralled anything. That's a Digimon location, anyway ;) [[User:Empoleon9|Empoleon9]] 21:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:No. That's just serebii confusing everyone. The only 'ridge' that 'nejiyama' can translate to is the ridge like on a {{wp|Screw thread}}. If a mountain ridge was implied another word would have been used. Also, if you actually look at the area, it almost looks like a spiral from above, and you even spiral down around it to get to Sekka City. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 07:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
::Not to mention that in kanji mode it uses the kanji for mountain, 山. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:18, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

== Winter at Spiral Mountain ==

I think we should add that its easy to go through doing the winter period because of the snow making a path all down to the exit. --[[User:Mattii|Mattii]] 01:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Spring/Summer/Autumn Only Battles ==

Seeing as we have a Winter only section, shall we dedicate one to trainers who can only be battled in Spring/Summer/Autumn as some entrances are snowed over? '''[[User:Matthewtelee|matthew]]'''''[[Special:Contributions/Matthewtelee|te]]'''''[[User talk:Matthewtelee|lee]]''' 19:10, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:According to the guide, the ones that cannot be battled in Winter are Black Belt Teppei, Worker Rich and Hiker Neil, btw. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 19:17, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Fossil Guy ==

We should probably have some information on the guy who gives out fossils such as his location and what he gives. [[User:Lucky V4.0|Lucky V4.0]] 16:12, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:"Located in the tunnel immediately before the Ice Rock is a Worker who will give the player a random Fossil of the Kanto, Hoenn, or Sinnoh regions once a day after receiving the National Pokédex." It's there. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:21, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Is there a reason the fossils aren't listed with the other items? Saving space? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 14:40, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Dream World

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==Pokémon==
Well, I don't have too much of a right to say anything, since I don't know of an official source, but doesn't this need to be updated with all the other Pokémon availiable?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:It is an online feature, and Game Freak can make whatever they want appear in the wild here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be noted that a scientist in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald who is trying to develop a device that visually reproduced the dreams of Pokémon? It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 12:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:I think it should, and I kind of remember it. Where was it? Was he the guy in the Devon building in Rustboro? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:20, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, he was one of them. I believe the one in the top center. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 11:37, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==
This page needs them. Weren't there some screenshots or something from magazines about this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Woucha' mind putting THESE on? ==

{{p|Swanna}} *

{{p|Purotoga}} *

{{p|Kojondo}} *

{{p|Landros}} *

{{p|Dragonite}} *

{{p|Metagross}} *

{{p|Garchomp}} *

{{p|Miruhog}} *

{{p|Baibanira}} *

{{p|Warubiaru}} *

More to come.

* <nowiki>*</nowiki> Means a Pokémon and those related to it having abilities in the Dream World.

* ^^ Means an ability commonly found in the Dream World.

Thanks.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 13:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

: I added these to the list, but I haven't added their abilities. --[[User:Eskay|Eskay]] 20:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mewtwo and Other Legendaries ==

Alright, Mewtwo has a Dream World ability, so why isn't it listed in the Dream World? And what about other Legendaries like Groudon, Rayquaza, and the like? Is this list simply incomplete?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 04:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
: Yes, please read the {{template|incomplete}} template. That's what it says.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 04:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== I would like to thank everyone ==

For your effort put into this job. Thanks!--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
* Especially to {{u|Akurochan}} and {{u|Chungkingpun}}.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Dream World insiders? ==

Now the Dream World is open to the public, shouldn't we start adding stuff we can do there? I already summarized the big picture on this [[n:Pokémon Dream World reopens|Bulbanews article I wrote]], but I'm not sure how to best add all of that to this article. I'll start adding more details once someone has some solution. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 15:38, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
== Evolution ==
For Pokémon with different Dream World abilities than their evolutions, does their ability change upon evolving? For instance, would an Eevee with Anticipation evolve into a Vaporeon with Hydration? Or would the Vaporeon just have Water Absorb, like a normal in-game Vaporeon? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
:Since this is still unanswered (a month later), I'll create a corollary to the question. It's been suggested that Daruma Mode Hihidaruma can't have evolved. But what ability does a Darumakka with Inner Focus (obtained via the Dream World) have upon evolution? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Inner Focus Darumakka evolves into Daruma Mode Hihidaruma. Pokémon with Dream World abilities evolve into their Dream World forms. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 14:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Is there any chance to rip ALL Pokemon pictures from the Dream World website? This is the only way we could get decent artworks of Gen V Pokemon so early on. Also, they'll be useful even after the Sugimori Artwork is revealed (we can put them to the gallery, they are kind of like Dream World "sprites"). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:157Typhlosion_Dream.png Yes]. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 20:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Separate ==

I suggest the abilities part be a separate page. This page needs to have info on the Dream World itself and not just the Pokémon's abilities it gives. Also, there are Pokémon the come with moves, not just abilities. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed. I think we should also have a clear distinction between Dream World abilities and "natural" abilities. For example a "dream world only ability" tag, and having different tables in ability pages for pokemon that can have the ability naturally and those that only have it through the Dream World... I guess this is a good topic for the Main talk page, so I'll start a discussion there. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 23:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::I say we keep it all as one page. The abilities get one section, the moves get another section. Dream World abilities are already separated like that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::That would mean a horribly long page full of tables and text all together. A mess. There are too much Pokémon. If they decide to expand this in a new game, it will get worse. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I say one page for the Dream World describing the features, areas, etc., and one page, maybe two, for abilities and moves. I don't think we can fit everything on this page, especially because of how many things one can do in the Dream World (not limited to catching Pokémon). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::That would be opposed to having several extra pages that are purely tables. We could have {{red link|List of Pokémon by Dream World ability}} if this page gets long, but it seems fine for now. As for the moves, there aren't many so they can have a section here, no need for their own page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

==Pokémon available==
Is it true that every Pokémon is available in the Dream World? I don't think the evolved forms are available.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 12:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
:Every Pokémon can be available, it's all up to whoever manages the Dream World to put Pokémon in. There are no set Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:41, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Latter Two Methods Disabled ==

Players may make neighbors by meeting other players online, after adding Friend Codes, meeting on the GTS, or befriending someone as the Dream Tree. '''However, the latter two methods depend on options which are currently disabled. Players may go to their neighbors' islands and water their berries or trade items.'''

So, will the latter two methods ever be undisabled or are the disabled forever for unexplained reasons?{{unsigned|Bellsprout}}
:As of yet it's hard to tell. I doubt they would've coded them originally with the intention of disabling them (though Faraway Island and the Hall of Origin do spring to mind...), and the tutorials even mention them. Having grayed out buttons also seems odd, if they were going to remove them completely they should've removed the buttons too. It seems they were only disabled along with the introduction of the hour limit from the news releases and help topics, so I'd assume when the hour limit is removed(if ever...) they'll be re-enabled. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 14:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Limit of 50 ==

Serebii talks about a limit wherein you can only receive 50 Pokémon from the Dream World ever. Others on the net say that that limit applies only to the number in the High Link forest (unless Serebii actually means the same thing, just bad wording). Can anyone here confirm what is true? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 06:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:Hmm... I had assumed it wouldn't be a hard limit of 50 as that seems an odd arbitrary number. Looking at the text I have though now I'm even more confused... I thought there was more detail about it, but this is all I can find in the Dream World tutorial, and I can't find anything about it in the game. I'll keep looking though.
:{{tt|This is the '''Friend Board'''.|kore wa '''nakayoshi board'''}}
:{{tt|Photographs of the Pokemon that were met and wished to '''become a friend''' at the '''Dream Island''', and those Pokemon whose wishes have been granted, appear on this '''Friend Board'''.|'''yumeshima''' de deatta Pokémon to "nakama ni naritai" to onegaisuru to kono '''nakayoshi board''' ni negai o kometa Pokémon no shashin ga harareru no}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon on the '''Friend Board''' will appear in the '''Hi Link''''s '''Forest Plaza'''.|'''nakayoshi board''' no Pokémon wa '''hilink''' no '''mori no hiroba''' ni arawaremasu}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon that appear in the '''Forest Plaza''' will surely become your friends.|'''mori no hiroba''' ni arawareta pokemon wa kitto anata no nakama ni nattekureru wa}}
:{{tt|That's right! If there are more than 50 photographs on the '''Friend Board''', you can't go to the '''Dream Island''', so be careful!|sōsō! '''nakayoshi board''' ni hatta shashin ga 50mai o koeru to '''yumeshima''' ni ikenakunaru kara chūi shite ne!}}
:Translation by me. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:55, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::The picture accompanying the second half of that help page displays the side of the friend board that shows Pokemon from Dream World waiting to be brought back to your game. I suspect it means that it can only store 50 Pokemon before you have to bring them back, but the other side (pokemon you ''have'' brought back) looks like it may only have room at the bottom between the arrows for 5 pages of Pokemon at 10 pictures per page, so I don't know. I've only brought back 25 anyway, so it'll be a while before I could say. --[[User:Emtu|Emtu]] 18:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I found this page after searching for this very subject. Unable to find a concrete answer anywhere on the web (that was perfectly clear) I contacted the pokemon support team. Here is their response: "Currently, the limit for total transfers is 50 as stated. It is possible that this limit will be expanded in future promotions or updates, however there is no released information to do so at this time."
So it looks like we're stuck at 50 for now. I responded and asked if the 50 pokemon limit included promotional pokemon, like the evee evolution. I'll update when I receive a response.
[[User:Torynspirit|Torynspirit]] 23:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I've passed more than 100 pokémon from dream world to my japanese game. Or you are talking about limit of pokémon inside of the entralink? In that case, I don't know, but until now, i've no problem with that. If you go to Entralink and say No to one pokémon, he'll go to more inside the forest. [[User:Maverick Hunter|Maverick Hunter]]

== America ==

Will this be accessible in America?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 03:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:I believe I saw the website listed on the American boxart. So yes. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:46, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::Whew...that's a relief.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 06:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Dream locations ==

Are there set pokemon and Items that could randomly be found or is the pokemon and items appearing in a area totally random? And totally random means that say, moltres could appear in shining sea, or magikarp in the forest, etc. [[User:Catboy41|Catboy41]] 00:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
:Never mind, silly question. But shouldn't there be separate pages for the dream locations?[[User:Catboy41|Thanks, Catboy41]] 21:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
::There should, but we haven't gotten around to it yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Trainer tokens ==

I remember seeing the symbol used in the "fun zone" for trainer tokens somewhere in dream world related content I'm pretty sure I saw it on the GL site when it was up in jap and I was just blindly clicking anything to see if I could get a glimpse of what it would be like in English. is the currency use in the dream world the same currency? or is everything dream world related just shrouded in too much mystery and fog? —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:If I read the article properly I see that I am an idiot although I'm still pretty sure I saw that symbol, never mind —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== Eeveelution ==
How do you transfer the Eeveelution from the online Pokemon.com game from there? i have no idea. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 17:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:You wait for the distribution to launch (in Japan that was two months after the minigame did), then go to Promotions and activate it there. Then, the next time you wake up a Pokémon, it'll come too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I got a message from the Pokemon website support the other day that said the eeveelutions will be available on May 5th. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 06:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream World abilities and breeding with Ditto ==

Read:

'''''Breeding''' '''mechanics''':

''Female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities can pass on the Hidden Ability to their offspring. Ditto count as male for this purpose.''

However, I have seen other sources that say that Dream World abilities will '''''not''''' be inherited by the offspring ''at all'' if the father involved is Ditto. Can anyone else confirm this? [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 11:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

:This doesn't count as verification, but I just tried breeding my Cloud Nine female Lickitung with a Ditto and none of the 20 eggs I hatched came out with Cloud Nine. [[User:Hezekiah957|Hezekiah957]] 23:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

:Couldn't find anything relevant on the talk page for breeding, but out of 16 eggs with a Ditto and a Nidoran Female with Hustle, none of them hatched to have Hustle. Not impossible, but improbable. I have also not had it occur for any of my other Pokemon with Dream World abilities, out of 60-ish eggs total. I'd say this warrants further checking, but I'm inclined to think that they do not pass on through Ditto. [[User:TheBeardedRobot|TheBeardedRobot]] 06:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Good Evening. Pokemon Black & Pokemon White Versions: The Official Unova Pokedex & Guide: Volume 2.
Page 239
"Hidden Abilities can be inherited
Two of the Pokémon you'll find in the game have Hidden Abilities: the Musharna that shows up in the Dreamyard every Friday after you finish the main story, and the Darmanitan that awakens from a statue with a RageCandyBar in the Desert Resort. If you leave a Musharna with the Hidden Ability Telepathy at the Pokémon Day Care, you may find an Egg of a Munna with the same Hidden Ability. If you leave a Darmanitan with the Hidden Ability Zen Mode, you may find an Egg of a Darumaka with the Hidden Ability Inner Focus."
There is a fine-print at the bottom of the page. "If the male Pokémon has a Hidden Ability, or if you leave a Pokémon with a Ditto, the Hidden Ability won't be passed on."

Just helping to confirm this with an official source/reference before more rumors spread. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 03:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== Manipulation? ==

can someone find out if you can manipulate game sync by changing the time? i don't think you can.
[[User:Pokemoninfo|Pokemoninfo]] 20:32, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
:No, unfortunetely not. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 18:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Pokémon ==

Is it possible to catch a shiny Pokémon from the dream world? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 18:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pile ice cream! ==

Possible to have a list of what berries generate what ice cream in terms of scoop and stickiness? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:17, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:I made one back in October, and gave it to Serebii.
:[http://serebii.net/blackwhite/dreamworldmini.shtml Here it is,] and [http://serebii.net/archive/October-2010.shtml here's] the news page mentioning it was my data. I don't seem to have the original text files anymore but there you go. By the way there's also a scoop of ice cream with six stars in each stat (lol) but that never gets used. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:: o_O Oh this should be fun. *gets to work~* [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

==Genders==

Has anyone else noticed that there are more male Pokémon than female. I've had about 4 females out of 20 Pokémon. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 19:36, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:Interesting. Which Pokémon turned out male, and which turned out female? It could just be gender ratios at play, and the ones you caught were more likely to be male anyway. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 00:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Its been in Pleasant Forest with under 7500 Dream Points and as far as I know most have a 50/50 ratio (except Nidoran). I also checked the last 42 I found, 9 out of 42 were female so it looks like about a 25% chance to be female. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:It depends on how you do in the games. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::No, it doesn't. When you enter the Island of Dreams, a list of Pokemon with predefined genders is sent to your computer. For some Pokemon you can even tell which gender they are by which minigame they want to play(!). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I as well have noticed the severe lack of female Pokémon being generated in the Dream World. After building up 50, I had only 10 females. Since only female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities may be used to breed the Hidden Ability, this would seem intentional so as to reduce the possibility of some individual getting a female to breed and trade the Hidden Ability over the Global network. I wouldn't be surprised if they also put a deadlock on the offspring of a Pokémon with a Hidden Ability being female. Seems reasonable to me. Hidden Abilities are supposed to be special to have. If you could just breed it, it wouldn't be valuable anymore. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 04:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== Loblolly ==

Does she have a Japanese name, or was she unnamed? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:19, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
:She does have a Japanese name. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::o.o Do we know what it is? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:34, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:::シタン. Up to you how to romanise it, I'd go with Shitan but I believe I read somewhere here someone found an etymological name link with シ being 'Ci'. Loblobby seems a dumb name though imo, makes me think of 'lol {{wp|Mr Blobby|Blobby}}.' [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 19:31, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Well a loblolly is a tree. I suppose the name sounds like something a person could dream up. ...So's Shitan, too. Red sandalwood tree. Nice. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== The image showing a Dream World Pokémon==

Why does it show a Lickitung in the article but when I click on the image it shows a Doduo? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:This image:[[File:DW Pokémon Send.png|thumb|300px|A male Doduo with {{a|Tangled Feet}}, its Hidden Ability]]
I see a female Lickitung. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:14, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Server Errors. Wait for it to fully change [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream Points ==

How exactly do you earn Dream Points, and where can you see how many you've collected? [[User:Cmlobue|Cmlobue]] 01:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:GL profile. Earned through games, watering plants, making a wish at the three and others. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The table of actions and how many Dream Points they award was taken from Serebii, correct? Has anyone actually confirmed these values? I ask because when you check your Dream Points in your profile, it never seems to end in single digits, so I wonder if the "1 point" per Item Swap is accurate or not. I believe someone else brought this up on the forum as well, so I thought I'd make a note of it here. If no one's confirmed these values personally, I can try to check my profile after performing certain actions to see if I can pinpoint if these values are correct. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:56, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Just as an update, I've definitely confirmed the Dream Points chart to be incorrect. I'm still collecting some data for some of the values I'm less sure of, but once I've finalized my findings, I'll update the chart in the article to reflect them. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 16:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
::I just played through today, recording nearly every action I took, as I've been doing for the past few times. According to the newly-current chart, I have gained '''470''' points today. However, my current point total is '''3030'''--exactly ''+500'' from last time (''2530''). In other words, ''I'm '''30''' points short.'' The only action I'm not 100% sure on is how many times I've swapped items, since I forgot I was recording that amidst my mad search for berries to water. I'm pretty sure I've done it at least twice...WAIT! I think I might have done it thrice! I remember swapping for a Pass Orb once, then swapping it away, but I ended up with one at the end, and I never found one on the island.
::Let's see...The first time I swapped, I got a Pass Orb. The second time, I swapped a Pass Orb for a Net Ball. And...the third time, I swapped...I swapped a Payapa Berry for another Pass Orb! This means I swapped ''3'' times!!
::[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlesv1ek77e Ergo!]
::I have reason to believe that remaining 30 points comes from the ''three times'' I swapped items--'''''10''' points per swap!'' (If this is true, then wherever the chart was originally obtained most likely had a typo.) What say you of this theory? [[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] 18:35, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Did your point totals on the other days you'd recorded your actions match in line with what they should have been based on the chart? Do you recall swapping items on those days? The 30 point difference seems strangely out of place - do you know how many neighbors' berry patches you watered and how many games you played and succeeded at on Dream Island? Have you recorded data on days following this and have you noticed any other irregularities? I will resume tracking my own data for a while to try to see if I can notice anything out of the ordinary, but I was fairly heavy on the swapping (average of 12 times per session as I was purposefully trying to test swapping) and never noticed my total Dream Points increasing at all from this. There's a chance the extra 30 points could have come from a few berries that were watered without your recorded total being updated, or even just 1 berry patch and 1 minigame played that were missed in the recording of data. I'm not saying that you're wrong, mind you - just trying to determine if this was a one-off "fluke" in the data. We'll need to see if it holds up in subsequent trips to the Dream World to say for sure. Of course, the easiest testing method would be to simply enter the dream world, swap as many items as possible, and then log out without doing anything else. The only points that ''should'' then be gained are the 50 you gain every time you enter the Dream World. I may test that way tonight. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 16:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Hmm...Okay, today, I racked up a total of 510 points. Won 13 minigames, so that's 260; watered 20 plants, that's 200; entered the Dream World, that's 50. Assuming I get 0 points for the 11 items I swapped...50 + 260 = 310, + 200 = 510. So that fits. Also, I checked the day before that day's and found that, ignoring the item swapping, I got the right number of points. So I must have maybe won a minigame and watered a berry plant without recording. I'd say your chart's accurate, at least for now (who knows--they might change things up a bit sometime later on). [[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] 21:47, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::I can confirm that item swapping doesn't give Dream Points. When the chart was published, I thought not getting Dream Points for swapping was out of place, so I tested it (checked points, made swap, checked points), and it does nothing. However, there is still the possibility that having others swap with you gives you points. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::I've double-checked that as well, and in fact had someone swap a number of items on my shelf while I was in the Dream World last night (went to shelf, went elsewhere, came back to shelf and at least 3 items had been swapped). I can confirm no points are gained when someone swaps with the items on your shelf (which is sad, because I really do think that would be a nice way of doing it to provide incentive to keep your shelves stocked with desirable items and not just trash). [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:21, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

== Pals ==

The article says that you can only visit Pals' houses, and that the house generated in the bottom right corner of the Dream Pal map is the player's Game Pal. However, I only have two Game Pals, and I have never seen either of them in that slot, and the only people I ever see there are randoms. Also, I can visit the houses of the random people who visit my house. In fact, Game Pals have no affect on the Dream World at all; Game Pals belong on the Pokémon Global Link page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, a bit of an assumption on my part since I have to many people on my Pal Pad to remember everyone. Also, I forgot about the mat. Just fix it :D [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Used to be that Game Pals did turn up in the bottom right slot, when they showed up in every slot in the old Japanese-only version, but yeah now it seems you can't visit Game Pals at all (unless they're also Dream Pals, I've heard). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

"Upon entering the Island of Dreams a certain number of times, players will start to find nothing on the island" is that until the next visit or forever? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 14:23, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Until the next visit. Players can perform about 4-5 runs through the Island of Dreams before they can no longer encounter Pokémon or items, and then upon the next Game Sync, they can start fresh. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Breeding Mechanics ==

Regarding the Breeding Mechanics section, it mentions passing on the Hidden Ability of a female Dream World Pokémon, but makes no mention of male Pokémon and the Dream World-only moves. Can these be passed on via breeding at all, or are they exclusive only to Pokémon that are actually found in the Dream World? Either way, should a note of that be made in the article? [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 15:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:If they're egg moves, yes, they can. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 23:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Find the missing <Pokémon>! ==

The game we're calling "Find the missing <Pokémon>!" is called "Pokémon Seek" when you fail. Should we change the section header? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:In fact, "Let's play with a Flying Pokémon!" is named "Sky Race" when the Pokémon request that you play it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::They all have shorter snappier names, I noticed them looking through the .xml files, but since they weren't shown anywhere near as prominent as the current titles I didn't add them. I'll go check what they were. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:51, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::Here they are:
<string id="y_ag_1">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Ice Cream Scoop.</string>
<string id="y_ag_3">I'm sorry you didn't complete the Sky Race.</string>
<string id="y_ag_5">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Pokémon Seek.</string>
<string id="y_ag_7">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Wailord's Water Spout.</string>
::Also, I have access to the Dream World text in all seven languages, so if you want any worldwide names of anything, just let me know what on my talkpage. One notable exception however is Décor. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 19:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I think that we should use those names, as they seem to be the actual names of the games, whereas the ones we are currently using are just sentences. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

== Score ==

Is it yet known whether the Score for your Mini-game completions go to anything? Like a score board, high scores, something? It currently feels too shallow to bother putting a score to your performance. Just need to hit the Target Line then stop is really it...{{unsigned|PKMN Soldier Berlioz}}
:Well I know for a fact it goes towards your Dream Points. As for a high score board, I don't know. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure it affects the moves of your Pokémon. If you perform poorly, it only has common moves; if you perform well, it has the more common special move; if you perform very well, it has the rarer special move. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I wish there were a better way to test this. My first few days, I did pretty horribly in all of the mini-games (just barely passing the target but with low scores) and I still got Pokémon that knew their special moves. Conversely, I've done really well in some minigames (>60,000 points) and only ever seemed to manage to get Pokémon with their regular moves. I have a feeling the "scoring better gives better odds of special moves" thing is more rumor than fact, but other than gathering a large data pool of resulting Pokémon from really good scores versus really bad scores, I'm not really sure how to prove it. (And even then, it would depend on whether the amount of Pokémon with special moves after obtaining high scores is actually statistically significant enough to determine the scoring to be the cause...) [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm as certain as I can be that the score affects whether the pokemon gets a heart icon after the game. Whether the heart icon is directly connected to special moves is a different issue, and I don't even remember which moves to be looking for. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 16:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::I've always seen the heart icon anytime I've passed a mini-game, and the one time I didn't pass, it only had a musical note. However, that pokemon wasn't befriended because I didn't pass the mini-game. --[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 12:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::That's interesting. I usually don't see any icon if I don't score well. As the Dream World hasn't been open long, however, the sample size is not large. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:55, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon to the Mini-game ==

I've obtained enough data to believe without a shadow of a doubt that every Pokémon has its own mini-game assigned to it. ex. Lickitung is always doing a Pokémon Search. I'll begin adding them as I see them. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 04:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:Doesn't gender also play a role? I recall hearing that you can (sometimes? always?) determine the gender of a Pokémon by the ganme you're asked to play. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 04:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::I've gotten the same Pokémon to do all sorts of different games. I don't keep track of it though. But I'll keep an eye out. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Right. Here's a list of the main forest ones I made back from the Japanese Dream World.
:::Key: Game: Pokemon which want this gameGen/der.
:::Serve: 161M/F, 174M/F, 83M/F, 403M/F, 270'''F''', 399M/F.
:::Search: 191M/F, 187M/(and probably F), 77M/(and probably F), 179M/F, 108M/F, 115F.
:::Bounce: 43M/F, 69M/F, 114M/F, 276M/F, 270'''M''', 283M/F.
:::Fly: 84M/F, 32M/29F, 234M/F, 261M/F, 19M/F, 102M/F.
:::I haven't investigated any of the other areas in the same depth though, and don't know if it has changed for the international site.{{unsigned|bluesun}}

== Whuh? ==
I am SO confused. How do you get multiple Pokémon on a friend board? Every way I can tell it could work doesn't. Since the Dream Bridge disappears after you make a wish, You can't make multiple. Also, any Pokémon you wish for comes with the Pokémon you sent, so you can't do that. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 20:22, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
:Maybe events. Once the eeveelutions are released we'll know how that works. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 21:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
::Click the tab 'Pokémon sent' or whatever it's called to see the last 49-50 Pokémon you've sent to your DS. Also yeah, when you have an event ready to be sent they show alongside Pokémon you've wished for. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 23:34, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

== More Dream World infos ==

Noticed some tidbits of info missing, some could be considered tips or hints, but I'm not fully sure how to word these in adding them to the sections.

In Pokemon Seek, the timer does pause if you find the wrong Pokemon, but the timer does NOT pause when you "Listen Carefully". If you're skilled enough and know what sections would potentially hide a Pokemon, you can easily clear 3 fields within the 4-5 second period that Listen Carefully uses up when clicked.

In Wailord's Water Spout, ANY contact with a ball increases its lamp counter. If done right, a launch can cause a Pokemon to bounce between two balls rapidly as it ascends, causing the lamp counter(s) to quickly light up, thus quickly increasing your multiplier. This is only useful if you care about score, however, and as far as I know, doesn't influence any of the mechanics in the Dream World.

In Sky Race, water symbols give 300 points and Speed Up bonuses give 1000 points. When the speed meter is max, water symbols give 450 points and matching 3 symbols give an additional 1500 points.

In Ice Cream Scoop, it may be possible to lose ice cream after its been stacked by dropping a large scoop on the stack. I've noticed the ice cream wobbles and shifts a little before flashing as if it had been set again.

I've seen some people with 5 rows of garden space, but not entirely sure when that becomes unlocked as I've just got my 4th garden row.

Island of Dreams, you can go through about 4 or 5 times before nothing appears, and staying in the Dream World without waking up your Pokemon will not reset this value, nor will it allow you to go back to the Island of Dreams if you made a wish. You have to wake your Pokemon and put it to sleep again in order to be able to find Pokemon and items in the Island of Dreams again.
--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 12:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

:I just want to add that the one hour time limit doesn't seem to be set in stone. I just tried it, and started playing at 2:10 AM EDT. I am now getting messages saying "An hour has passed since you started playing. It is now 3:28 AM EDT. the first five messages had both the x in the corner, and the "Return to Dream World" button. Then, the sixth message omitted the buttons, instead telling me I either HAD to wake up my Pokemon, or continue sleeping. Does anybody know what "stops" the timer? Like if there's a loading screen, does it stop the 1 hour timer, or not? --[[User:Tails0600|Tails]][[User talk:Tails0600|0600]]'' 07:31, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:It doesn't, the timer is started shortly before the main Dream World video finishes loading and from then on nothing stops it, and it's counted server-side. I don't know how it chooses whether to give you the 'Return to Dream World' button or not but the amount of times it comes up seems to differ wildly. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 11:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::Also, the trips to the Island of Dreams seems to be per area rather than trips total. Just a moment ago I had 6 trips to the Island of Dreams without having everything disappear: 2 of those trips were to the forest and the other 4 trips were to the sky.--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 03:55, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, just disproved that statement. Total trips allowed to the Island of Dreams is 6 per day, regardless of the area visited. After 6, nothing will show up.--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 13:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== Logging in for points ==

I tried logging in today to see how many points I'd really earn. For logging in, I got 30, and that was without tucking in a Pokémon. Maybe the other 20's for tucking in one? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:03, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

== Waking. ==

There doesn't appear to be a way to wake a pokemon without the website, does there? It's interesting because the Walker wasn't strictly needed to restore the absent pokemon in HG/SS thanks to the safety feature. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:49, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Dream World

2011-05-10T07:54:13Z

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==Pokémon==
Well, I don't have too much of a right to say anything, since I don't know of an official source, but doesn't this need to be updated with all the other Pokémon availiable?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:It is an online feature, and Game Freak can make whatever they want appear in the wild here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be noted that a scientist in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald who is trying to develop a device that visually reproduced the dreams of Pokémon? It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 12:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:I think it should, and I kind of remember it. Where was it? Was he the guy in the Devon building in Rustboro? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:20, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, he was one of them. I believe the one in the top center. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 11:37, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==
This page needs them. Weren't there some screenshots or something from magazines about this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Woucha' mind putting THESE on? ==

{{p|Swanna}} *

{{p|Purotoga}} *

{{p|Kojondo}} *

{{p|Landros}} *

{{p|Dragonite}} *

{{p|Metagross}} *

{{p|Garchomp}} *

{{p|Miruhog}} *

{{p|Baibanira}} *

{{p|Warubiaru}} *

More to come.

* <nowiki>*</nowiki> Means a Pokémon and those related to it having abilities in the Dream World.

* ^^ Means an ability commonly found in the Dream World.

Thanks.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 13:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

: I added these to the list, but I haven't added their abilities. --[[User:Eskay|Eskay]] 20:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mewtwo and Other Legendaries ==

Alright, Mewtwo has a Dream World ability, so why isn't it listed in the Dream World? And what about other Legendaries like Groudon, Rayquaza, and the like? Is this list simply incomplete?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 04:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
: Yes, please read the {{template|incomplete}} template. That's what it says.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 04:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== I would like to thank everyone ==

For your effort put into this job. Thanks!--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
* Especially to {{u|Akurochan}} and {{u|Chungkingpun}}.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Dream World insiders? ==

Now the Dream World is open to the public, shouldn't we start adding stuff we can do there? I already summarized the big picture on this [[n:Pokémon Dream World reopens|Bulbanews article I wrote]], but I'm not sure how to best add all of that to this article. I'll start adding more details once someone has some solution. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 15:38, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
== Evolution ==
For Pokémon with different Dream World abilities than their evolutions, does their ability change upon evolving? For instance, would an Eevee with Anticipation evolve into a Vaporeon with Hydration? Or would the Vaporeon just have Water Absorb, like a normal in-game Vaporeon? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
:Since this is still unanswered (a month later), I'll create a corollary to the question. It's been suggested that Daruma Mode Hihidaruma can't have evolved. But what ability does a Darumakka with Inner Focus (obtained via the Dream World) have upon evolution? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Inner Focus Darumakka evolves into Daruma Mode Hihidaruma. Pokémon with Dream World abilities evolve into their Dream World forms. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 14:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Is there any chance to rip ALL Pokemon pictures from the Dream World website? This is the only way we could get decent artworks of Gen V Pokemon so early on. Also, they'll be useful even after the Sugimori Artwork is revealed (we can put them to the gallery, they are kind of like Dream World "sprites"). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:157Typhlosion_Dream.png Yes]. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 20:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Separate ==

I suggest the abilities part be a separate page. This page needs to have info on the Dream World itself and not just the Pokémon's abilities it gives. Also, there are Pokémon the come with moves, not just abilities. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed. I think we should also have a clear distinction between Dream World abilities and "natural" abilities. For example a "dream world only ability" tag, and having different tables in ability pages for pokemon that can have the ability naturally and those that only have it through the Dream World... I guess this is a good topic for the Main talk page, so I'll start a discussion there. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 23:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::I say we keep it all as one page. The abilities get one section, the moves get another section. Dream World abilities are already separated like that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::That would mean a horribly long page full of tables and text all together. A mess. There are too much Pokémon. If they decide to expand this in a new game, it will get worse. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I say one page for the Dream World describing the features, areas, etc., and one page, maybe two, for abilities and moves. I don't think we can fit everything on this page, especially because of how many things one can do in the Dream World (not limited to catching Pokémon). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::That would be opposed to having several extra pages that are purely tables. We could have {{red link|List of Pokémon by Dream World ability}} if this page gets long, but it seems fine for now. As for the moves, there aren't many so they can have a section here, no need for their own page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

==Pokémon available==
Is it true that every Pokémon is available in the Dream World? I don't think the evolved forms are available.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 12:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
:Every Pokémon can be available, it's all up to whoever manages the Dream World to put Pokémon in. There are no set Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:41, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Latter Two Methods Disabled ==

Players may make neighbors by meeting other players online, after adding Friend Codes, meeting on the GTS, or befriending someone as the Dream Tree. '''However, the latter two methods depend on options which are currently disabled. Players may go to their neighbors' islands and water their berries or trade items.'''

So, will the latter two methods ever be undisabled or are the disabled forever for unexplained reasons?{{unsigned|Bellsprout}}
:As of yet it's hard to tell. I doubt they would've coded them originally with the intention of disabling them (though Faraway Island and the Hall of Origin do spring to mind...), and the tutorials even mention them. Having grayed out buttons also seems odd, if they were going to remove them completely they should've removed the buttons too. It seems they were only disabled along with the introduction of the hour limit from the news releases and help topics, so I'd assume when the hour limit is removed(if ever...) they'll be re-enabled. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 14:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Limit of 50 ==

Serebii talks about a limit wherein you can only receive 50 Pokémon from the Dream World ever. Others on the net say that that limit applies only to the number in the High Link forest (unless Serebii actually means the same thing, just bad wording). Can anyone here confirm what is true? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 06:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:Hmm... I had assumed it wouldn't be a hard limit of 50 as that seems an odd arbitrary number. Looking at the text I have though now I'm even more confused... I thought there was more detail about it, but this is all I can find in the Dream World tutorial, and I can't find anything about it in the game. I'll keep looking though.
:{{tt|This is the '''Friend Board'''.|kore wa '''nakayoshi board'''}}
:{{tt|Photographs of the Pokemon that were met and wished to '''become a friend''' at the '''Dream Island''', and those Pokemon whose wishes have been granted, appear on this '''Friend Board'''.|'''yumeshima''' de deatta Pokémon to "nakama ni naritai" to onegaisuru to kono '''nakayoshi board''' ni negai o kometa Pokémon no shashin ga harareru no}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon on the '''Friend Board''' will appear in the '''Hi Link''''s '''Forest Plaza'''.|'''nakayoshi board''' no Pokémon wa '''hilink''' no '''mori no hiroba''' ni arawaremasu}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon that appear in the '''Forest Plaza''' will surely become your friends.|'''mori no hiroba''' ni arawareta pokemon wa kitto anata no nakama ni nattekureru wa}}
:{{tt|That's right! If there are more than 50 photographs on the '''Friend Board''', you can't go to the '''Dream Island''', so be careful!|sōsō! '''nakayoshi board''' ni hatta shashin ga 50mai o koeru to '''yumeshima''' ni ikenakunaru kara chūi shite ne!}}
:Translation by me. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:55, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::The picture accompanying the second half of that help page displays the side of the friend board that shows Pokemon from Dream World waiting to be brought back to your game. I suspect it means that it can only store 50 Pokemon before you have to bring them back, but the other side (pokemon you ''have'' brought back) looks like it may only have room at the bottom between the arrows for 5 pages of Pokemon at 10 pictures per page, so I don't know. I've only brought back 25 anyway, so it'll be a while before I could say. --[[User:Emtu|Emtu]] 18:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I found this page after searching for this very subject. Unable to find a concrete answer anywhere on the web (that was perfectly clear) I contacted the pokemon support team. Here is their response: "Currently, the limit for total transfers is 50 as stated. It is possible that this limit will be expanded in future promotions or updates, however there is no released information to do so at this time."
So it looks like we're stuck at 50 for now. I responded and asked if the 50 pokemon limit included promotional pokemon, like the evee evolution. I'll update when I receive a response.
[[User:Torynspirit|Torynspirit]] 23:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I've passed more than 100 pokémon from dream world to my japanese game. Or you are talking about limit of pokémon inside of the entralink? In that case, I don't know, but until now, i've no problem with that. If you go to Entralink and say No to one pokémon, he'll go to more inside the forest. [[User:Maverick Hunter|Maverick Hunter]]

== America ==

Will this be accessible in America?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 03:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:I believe I saw the website listed on the American boxart. So yes. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:46, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::Whew...that's a relief.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 06:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Dream locations ==

Are there set pokemon and Items that could randomly be found or is the pokemon and items appearing in a area totally random? And totally random means that say, moltres could appear in shining sea, or magikarp in the forest, etc. [[User:Catboy41|Catboy41]] 00:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
:Never mind, silly question. But shouldn't there be separate pages for the dream locations?[[User:Catboy41|Thanks, Catboy41]] 21:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
::There should, but we haven't gotten around to it yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Trainer tokens ==

I remember seeing the symbol used in the "fun zone" for trainer tokens somewhere in dream world related content I'm pretty sure I saw it on the GL site when it was up in jap and I was just blindly clicking anything to see if I could get a glimpse of what it would be like in English. is the currency use in the dream world the same currency? or is everything dream world related just shrouded in too much mystery and fog? —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:If I read the article properly I see that I am an idiot although I'm still pretty sure I saw that symbol, never mind —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== Eeveelution ==
How do you transfer the Eeveelution from the online Pokemon.com game from there? i have no idea. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 17:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:You wait for the distribution to launch (in Japan that was two months after the minigame did), then go to Promotions and activate it there. Then, the next time you wake up a Pokémon, it'll come too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I got a message from the Pokemon website support the other day that said the eeveelutions will be available on May 5th. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 06:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream World abilities and breeding with Ditto ==

Read:

'''''Breeding''' '''mechanics''':

''Female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities can pass on the Hidden Ability to their offspring. Ditto count as male for this purpose.''

However, I have seen other sources that say that Dream World abilities will '''''not''''' be inherited by the offspring ''at all'' if the father involved is Ditto. Can anyone else confirm this? [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 11:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

:This doesn't count as verification, but I just tried breeding my Cloud Nine female Lickitung with a Ditto and none of the 20 eggs I hatched came out with Cloud Nine. [[User:Hezekiah957|Hezekiah957]] 23:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

:Couldn't find anything relevant on the talk page for breeding, but out of 16 eggs with a Ditto and a Nidoran Female with Hustle, none of them hatched to have Hustle. Not impossible, but improbable. I have also not had it occur for any of my other Pokemon with Dream World abilities, out of 60-ish eggs total. I'd say this warrants further checking, but I'm inclined to think that they do not pass on through Ditto. [[User:TheBeardedRobot|TheBeardedRobot]] 06:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

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"Hidden Abilities can be inherited
Two of the Pokémon you'll find in the game have Hidden Abilities: the Musharna that shows up in the Dreamyard every Friday after you finish the main story, and the Darmanitan that awakens from a statue with a RageCandyBar in the Desert Resort. If you leave a Musharna with the Hidden Ability Telepathy at the Pokémon Day Care, you may find an Egg of a Munna with the same Hidden Ability. If you leave a Darmanitan with the Hidden Ability Zen Mode, you may find an Egg of a Darumaka with the Hidden Ability Inner Focus."
There is a fine-print at the bottom of the page. "If the male Pokémon has a Hidden Ability, or if you leave a Pokémon with a Ditto, the Hidden Ability won't be passed on."

Just helping to confirm this with an official source/reference before more rumors spread. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 03:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== Manipulation? ==

can someone find out if you can manipulate game sync by changing the time? i don't think you can.
[[User:Pokemoninfo|Pokemoninfo]] 20:32, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
:No, unfortunetely not. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 18:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Pokémon ==

Is it possible to catch a shiny Pokémon from the dream world? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 18:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pile ice cream! ==

Possible to have a list of what berries generate what ice cream in terms of scoop and stickiness? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:17, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:I made one back in October, and gave it to Serebii.
:[http://serebii.net/blackwhite/dreamworldmini.shtml Here it is,] and [http://serebii.net/archive/October-2010.shtml here's] the news page mentioning it was my data. I don't seem to have the original text files anymore but there you go. By the way there's also a scoop of ice cream with six stars in each stat (lol) but that never gets used. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:: o_O Oh this should be fun. *gets to work~* [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

==Genders==

Has anyone else noticed that there are more male Pokémon than female. I've had about 4 females out of 20 Pokémon. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 19:36, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:Interesting. Which Pokémon turned out male, and which turned out female? It could just be gender ratios at play, and the ones you caught were more likely to be male anyway. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 00:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Its been in Pleasant Forest with under 7500 Dream Points and as far as I know most have a 50/50 ratio (except Nidoran). I also checked the last 42 I found, 9 out of 42 were female so it looks like about a 25% chance to be female. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:It depends on how you do in the games. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::No, it doesn't. When you enter the Island of Dreams, a list of Pokemon with predefined genders is sent to your computer. For some Pokemon you can even tell which gender they are by which minigame they want to play(!). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I as well have noticed the severe lack of female Pokémon being generated in the Dream World. After building up 50, I had only 10 females. Since only female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities may be used to breed the Hidden Ability, this would seem intentional so as to reduce the possibility of some individual getting a female to breed and trade the Hidden Ability over the Global network. I wouldn't be surprised if they also put a deadlock on the offspring of a Pokémon with a Hidden Ability being female. Seems reasonable to me. Hidden Abilities are supposed to be special to have. If you could just breed it, it wouldn't be valuable anymore. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 04:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== Loblolly ==

Does she have a Japanese name, or was she unnamed? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:19, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
:She does have a Japanese name. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::o.o Do we know what it is? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:34, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:::シタン. Up to you how to romanise it, I'd go with Shitan but I believe I read somewhere here someone found an etymological name link with シ being 'Ci'. Loblobby seems a dumb name though imo, makes me think of 'lol {{wp|Mr Blobby|Blobby}}.' [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 19:31, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Well a loblolly is a tree. I suppose the name sounds like something a person could dream up. ...So's Shitan, too. Red sandalwood tree. Nice. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== The image showing a Dream World Pokémon==

Why does it show a Lickitung in the article but when I click on the image it shows a Doduo? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:This image:[[File:DW Pokémon Send.png|thumb|300px|A male Doduo with {{a|Tangled Feet}}, its Hidden Ability]]
I see a female Lickitung. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:14, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Server Errors. Wait for it to fully change [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream Points ==

How exactly do you earn Dream Points, and where can you see how many you've collected? [[User:Cmlobue|Cmlobue]] 01:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:GL profile. Earned through games, watering plants, making a wish at the three and others. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The table of actions and how many Dream Points they award was taken from Serebii, correct? Has anyone actually confirmed these values? I ask because when you check your Dream Points in your profile, it never seems to end in single digits, so I wonder if the "1 point" per Item Swap is accurate or not. I believe someone else brought this up on the forum as well, so I thought I'd make a note of it here. If no one's confirmed these values personally, I can try to check my profile after performing certain actions to see if I can pinpoint if these values are correct. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:56, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Just as an update, I've definitely confirmed the Dream Points chart to be incorrect. I'm still collecting some data for some of the values I'm less sure of, but once I've finalized my findings, I'll update the chart in the article to reflect them. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 16:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
::I just played through today, recording nearly every action I took, as I've been doing for the past few times. According to the newly-current chart, I have gained '''470''' points today. However, my current point total is '''3030'''--exactly ''+500'' from last time (''2530''). In other words, ''I'm '''30''' points short.'' The only action I'm not 100% sure on is how many times I've swapped items, since I forgot I was recording that amidst my mad search for berries to water. I'm pretty sure I've done it at least twice...WAIT! I think I might have done it thrice! I remember swapping for a Pass Orb once, then swapping it away, but I ended up with one at the end, and I never found one on the island.
::Let's see...The first time I swapped, I got a Pass Orb. The second time, I swapped a Pass Orb for a Net Ball. And...the third time, I swapped...I swapped a Payapa Berry for another Pass Orb! This means I swapped ''3'' times!!
::[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlesv1ek77e Ergo!]
::I have reason to believe that remaining 30 points comes from the ''three times'' I swapped items--'''''10''' points per swap!'' (If this is true, then wherever the chart was originally obtained most likely had a typo.) What say you of this theory? [[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] 18:35, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Did your point totals on the other days you'd recorded your actions match in line with what they should have been based on the chart? Do you recall swapping items on those days? The 30 point difference seems strangely out of place - do you know how many neighbors' berry patches you watered and how many games you played and succeeded at on Dream Island? Have you recorded data on days following this and have you noticed any other irregularities? I will resume tracking my own data for a while to try to see if I can notice anything out of the ordinary, but I was fairly heavy on the swapping (average of 12 times per session as I was purposefully trying to test swapping) and never noticed my total Dream Points increasing at all from this. There's a chance the extra 30 points could have come from a few berries that were watered without your recorded total being updated, or even just 1 berry patch and 1 minigame played that were missed in the recording of data. I'm not saying that you're wrong, mind you - just trying to determine if this was a one-off "fluke" in the data. We'll need to see if it holds up in subsequent trips to the Dream World to say for sure. Of course, the easiest testing method would be to simply enter the dream world, swap as many items as possible, and then log out without doing anything else. The only points that ''should'' then be gained are the 50 you gain every time you enter the Dream World. I may test that way tonight. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 16:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Hmm...Okay, today, I racked up a total of 510 points. Won 13 minigames, so that's 260; watered 20 plants, that's 200; entered the Dream World, that's 50. Assuming I get 0 points for the 11 items I swapped...50 + 260 = 310, + 200 = 510. So that fits. Also, I checked the day before that day's and found that, ignoring the item swapping, I got the right number of points. So I must have maybe won a minigame and watered a berry plant without recording. I'd say your chart's accurate, at least for now (who knows--they might change things up a bit sometime later on). [[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] 21:47, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::I can confirm that item swapping doesn't give Dream Points. When the chart was published, I thought not getting Dream Points for swapping was out of place, so I tested it (checked points, made swap, checked points), and it does nothing. However, there is still the possibility that having others swap with you gives you points. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::I've double-checked that as well, and in fact had someone swap a number of items on my shelf while I was in the Dream World last night (went to shelf, went elsewhere, came back to shelf and at least 3 items had been swapped). I can confirm no points are gained when someone swaps with the items on your shelf (which is sad, because I really do think that would be a nice way of doing it to provide incentive to keep your shelves stocked with desirable items and not just trash). [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:21, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

== Pals ==

The article says that you can only visit Pals' houses, and that the house generated in the bottom right corner of the Dream Pal map is the player's Game Pal. However, I only have two Game Pals, and I have never seen either of them in that slot, and the only people I ever see there are randoms. Also, I can visit the houses of the random people who visit my house. In fact, Game Pals have no affect on the Dream World at all; Game Pals belong on the Pokémon Global Link page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, a bit of an assumption on my part since I have to many people on my Pal Pad to remember everyone. Also, I forgot about the mat. Just fix it :D [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Used to be that Game Pals did turn up in the bottom right slot, when they showed up in every slot in the old Japanese-only version, but yeah now it seems you can't visit Game Pals at all (unless they're also Dream Pals, I've heard). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

"Upon entering the Island of Dreams a certain number of times, players will start to find nothing on the island" is that until the next visit or forever? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 14:23, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Until the next visit. Players can perform about 4-5 runs through the Island of Dreams before they can no longer encounter Pokémon or items, and then upon the next Game Sync, they can start fresh. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Breeding Mechanics ==

Regarding the Breeding Mechanics section, it mentions passing on the Hidden Ability of a female Dream World Pokémon, but makes no mention of male Pokémon and the Dream World-only moves. Can these be passed on via breeding at all, or are they exclusive only to Pokémon that are actually found in the Dream World? Either way, should a note of that be made in the article? [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 15:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:If they're egg moves, yes, they can. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 23:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Find the missing <Pokémon>! ==

The game we're calling "Find the missing <Pokémon>!" is called "Pokémon Seek" when you fail. Should we change the section header? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:In fact, "Let's play with a Flying Pokémon!" is named "Sky Race" when the Pokémon request that you play it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::They all have shorter snappier names, I noticed them looking through the .xml files, but since they weren't shown anywhere near as prominent as the current titles I didn't add them. I'll go check what they were. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:51, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::Here they are:
<string id="y_ag_1">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Ice Cream Scoop.</string>
<string id="y_ag_3">I'm sorry you didn't complete the Sky Race.</string>
<string id="y_ag_5">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Pokémon Seek.</string>
<string id="y_ag_7">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Wailord's Water Spout.</string>
::Also, I have access to the Dream World text in all seven languages, so if you want any worldwide names of anything, just let me know what on my talkpage. One notable exception however is Décor. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 19:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I think that we should use those names, as they seem to be the actual names of the games, whereas the ones we are currently using are just sentences. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

== Score ==

Is it yet known whether the Score for your Mini-game completions go to anything? Like a score board, high scores, something? It currently feels too shallow to bother putting a score to your performance. Just need to hit the Target Line then stop is really it...{{unsigned|PKMN Soldier Berlioz}}
:Well I know for a fact it goes towards your Dream Points. As for a high score board, I don't know. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure it affects the moves of your Pokémon. If you perform poorly, it only has common moves; if you perform well, it has the more common special move; if you perform very well, it has the rarer special move. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I wish there were a better way to test this. My first few days, I did pretty horribly in all of the mini-games (just barely passing the target but with low scores) and I still got Pokémon that knew their special moves. Conversely, I've done really well in some minigames (>60,000 points) and only ever seemed to manage to get Pokémon with their regular moves. I have a feeling the "scoring better gives better odds of special moves" thing is more rumor than fact, but other than gathering a large data pool of resulting Pokémon from really good scores versus really bad scores, I'm not really sure how to prove it. (And even then, it would depend on whether the amount of Pokémon with special moves after obtaining high scores is actually statistically significant enough to determine the scoring to be the cause...) [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm as certain as I can be that the score affects whether the pokemon gets a heart icon after the game. Whether the heart icon is directly connected to special moves is a different issue, and I don't even remember which moves to be looking for. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 16:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::I've always seen the heart icon anytime I've passed a mini-game, and the one time I didn't pass, it only had a musical note. However, that pokemon wasn't befriended because I didn't pass the mini-game. --[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 12:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::That's interesting. I usually don't see any icon if I don't score well. As the Dream World hasn't been open long, however, the sample size is not large.

== Pokémon to the Mini-game ==

I've obtained enough data to believe without a shadow of a doubt that every Pokémon has its own mini-game assigned to it. ex. Lickitung is always doing a Pokémon Search. I'll begin adding them as I see them. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 04:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:Doesn't gender also play a role? I recall hearing that you can (sometimes? always?) determine the gender of a Pokémon by the ganme you're asked to play. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 04:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::I've gotten the same Pokémon to do all sorts of different games. I don't keep track of it though. But I'll keep an eye out. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Right. Here's a list of the main forest ones I made back from the Japanese Dream World.
:::Key: Game: Pokemon which want this gameGen/der.
:::Serve: 161M/F, 174M/F, 83M/F, 403M/F, 270'''F''', 399M/F.
:::Search: 191M/F, 187M/(and probably F), 77M/(and probably F), 179M/F, 108M/F, 115F.
:::Bounce: 43M/F, 69M/F, 114M/F, 276M/F, 270'''M''', 283M/F.
:::Fly: 84M/F, 32M/29F, 234M/F, 261M/F, 19M/F, 102M/F.
:::I haven't investigated any of the other areas in the same depth though, and don't know if it has changed for the international site.{{unsigned|bluesun}}

== Whuh? ==
I am SO confused. How do you get multiple Pokémon on a friend board? Every way I can tell it could work doesn't. Since the Dream Bridge disappears after you make a wish, You can't make multiple. Also, any Pokémon you wish for comes with the Pokémon you sent, so you can't do that. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 20:22, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
:Maybe events. Once the eeveelutions are released we'll know how that works. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 21:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
::Click the tab 'Pokémon sent' or whatever it's called to see the last 49-50 Pokémon you've sent to your DS. Also yeah, when you have an event ready to be sent they show alongside Pokémon you've wished for. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 23:34, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

== More Dream World infos ==

Noticed some tidbits of info missing, some could be considered tips or hints, but I'm not fully sure how to word these in adding them to the sections.

In Pokemon Seek, the timer does pause if you find the wrong Pokemon, but the timer does NOT pause when you "Listen Carefully". If you're skilled enough and know what sections would potentially hide a Pokemon, you can easily clear 3 fields within the 4-5 second period that Listen Carefully uses up when clicked.

In Wailord's Water Spout, ANY contact with a ball increases its lamp counter. If done right, a launch can cause a Pokemon to bounce between two balls rapidly as it ascends, causing the lamp counter(s) to quickly light up, thus quickly increasing your multiplier. This is only useful if you care about score, however, and as far as I know, doesn't influence any of the mechanics in the Dream World.

In Sky Race, water symbols give 300 points and Speed Up bonuses give 1000 points. When the speed meter is max, water symbols give 450 points and matching 3 symbols give an additional 1500 points.

In Ice Cream Scoop, it may be possible to lose ice cream after its been stacked by dropping a large scoop on the stack. I've noticed the ice cream wobbles and shifts a little before flashing as if it had been set again.

I've seen some people with 5 rows of garden space, but not entirely sure when that becomes unlocked as I've just got my 4th garden row.

Island of Dreams, you can go through about 4 or 5 times before nothing appears, and staying in the Dream World without waking up your Pokemon will not reset this value, nor will it allow you to go back to the Island of Dreams if you made a wish. You have to wake your Pokemon and put it to sleep again in order to be able to find Pokemon and items in the Island of Dreams again.
--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 12:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

:I just want to add that the one hour time limit doesn't seem to be set in stone. I just tried it, and started playing at 2:10 AM EDT. I am now getting messages saying "An hour has passed since you started playing. It is now 3:28 AM EDT. the first five messages had both the x in the corner, and the "Return to Dream World" button. Then, the sixth message omitted the buttons, instead telling me I either HAD to wake up my Pokemon, or continue sleeping. Does anybody know what "stops" the timer? Like if there's a loading screen, does it stop the 1 hour timer, or not? --[[User:Tails0600|Tails]][[User talk:Tails0600|0600]]'' 07:31, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:It doesn't, the timer is started shortly before the main Dream World video finishes loading and from then on nothing stops it, and it's counted server-side. I don't know how it chooses whether to give you the 'Return to Dream World' button or not but the amount of times it comes up seems to differ wildly. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 11:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::Also, the trips to the Island of Dreams seems to be per area rather than trips total. Just a moment ago I had 6 trips to the Island of Dreams without having everything disappear: 2 of those trips were to the forest and the other 4 trips were to the sky.--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 03:55, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, just disproved that statement. Total trips allowed to the Island of Dreams is 6 per day, regardless of the area visited. After 6, nothing will show up.--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 13:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== Logging in for points ==

I tried logging in today to see how many points I'd really earn. For logging in, I got 30, and that was without tucking in a Pokémon. Maybe the other 20's for tucking in one? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:03, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

== Waking. ==

There doesn't appear to be a way to wake a pokemon without the website, does there? It's interesting because the Walker wasn't strictly needed to restore the absent pokemon in HG/SS thanks to the safety feature. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:49, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Dream World

2011-05-10T07:49:28Z

PLA: /* Waking. */ new section

==Pokémon==
Well, I don't have too much of a right to say anything, since I don't know of an official source, but doesn't this need to be updated with all the other Pokémon availiable?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:It is an online feature, and Game Freak can make whatever they want appear in the wild here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be noted that a scientist in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald who is trying to develop a device that visually reproduced the dreams of Pokémon? It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 12:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:I think it should, and I kind of remember it. Where was it? Was he the guy in the Devon building in Rustboro? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:20, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, he was one of them. I believe the one in the top center. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 11:37, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==
This page needs them. Weren't there some screenshots or something from magazines about this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Woucha' mind putting THESE on? ==

{{p|Swanna}} *

{{p|Purotoga}} *

{{p|Kojondo}} *

{{p|Landros}} *

{{p|Dragonite}} *

{{p|Metagross}} *

{{p|Garchomp}} *

{{p|Miruhog}} *

{{p|Baibanira}} *

{{p|Warubiaru}} *

More to come.

* <nowiki>*</nowiki> Means a Pokémon and those related to it having abilities in the Dream World.

* ^^ Means an ability commonly found in the Dream World.

Thanks.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 13:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

: I added these to the list, but I haven't added their abilities. --[[User:Eskay|Eskay]] 20:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mewtwo and Other Legendaries ==

Alright, Mewtwo has a Dream World ability, so why isn't it listed in the Dream World? And what about other Legendaries like Groudon, Rayquaza, and the like? Is this list simply incomplete?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 04:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
: Yes, please read the {{template|incomplete}} template. That's what it says.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 04:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== I would like to thank everyone ==

For your effort put into this job. Thanks!--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
* Especially to {{u|Akurochan}} and {{u|Chungkingpun}}.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Dream World insiders? ==

Now the Dream World is open to the public, shouldn't we start adding stuff we can do there? I already summarized the big picture on this [[n:Pokémon Dream World reopens|Bulbanews article I wrote]], but I'm not sure how to best add all of that to this article. I'll start adding more details once someone has some solution. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 15:38, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
== Evolution ==
For Pokémon with different Dream World abilities than their evolutions, does their ability change upon evolving? For instance, would an Eevee with Anticipation evolve into a Vaporeon with Hydration? Or would the Vaporeon just have Water Absorb, like a normal in-game Vaporeon? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
:Since this is still unanswered (a month later), I'll create a corollary to the question. It's been suggested that Daruma Mode Hihidaruma can't have evolved. But what ability does a Darumakka with Inner Focus (obtained via the Dream World) have upon evolution? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Inner Focus Darumakka evolves into Daruma Mode Hihidaruma. Pokémon with Dream World abilities evolve into their Dream World forms. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 14:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Is there any chance to rip ALL Pokemon pictures from the Dream World website? This is the only way we could get decent artworks of Gen V Pokemon so early on. Also, they'll be useful even after the Sugimori Artwork is revealed (we can put them to the gallery, they are kind of like Dream World "sprites"). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:157Typhlosion_Dream.png Yes]. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 20:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Separate ==

I suggest the abilities part be a separate page. This page needs to have info on the Dream World itself and not just the Pokémon's abilities it gives. Also, there are Pokémon the come with moves, not just abilities. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed. I think we should also have a clear distinction between Dream World abilities and "natural" abilities. For example a "dream world only ability" tag, and having different tables in ability pages for pokemon that can have the ability naturally and those that only have it through the Dream World... I guess this is a good topic for the Main talk page, so I'll start a discussion there. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 23:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::I say we keep it all as one page. The abilities get one section, the moves get another section. Dream World abilities are already separated like that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::That would mean a horribly long page full of tables and text all together. A mess. There are too much Pokémon. If they decide to expand this in a new game, it will get worse. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I say one page for the Dream World describing the features, areas, etc., and one page, maybe two, for abilities and moves. I don't think we can fit everything on this page, especially because of how many things one can do in the Dream World (not limited to catching Pokémon). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::That would be opposed to having several extra pages that are purely tables. We could have {{red link|List of Pokémon by Dream World ability}} if this page gets long, but it seems fine for now. As for the moves, there aren't many so they can have a section here, no need for their own page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

==Pokémon available==
Is it true that every Pokémon is available in the Dream World? I don't think the evolved forms are available.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 12:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
:Every Pokémon can be available, it's all up to whoever manages the Dream World to put Pokémon in. There are no set Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:41, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Latter Two Methods Disabled ==

Players may make neighbors by meeting other players online, after adding Friend Codes, meeting on the GTS, or befriending someone as the Dream Tree. '''However, the latter two methods depend on options which are currently disabled. Players may go to their neighbors' islands and water their berries or trade items.'''

So, will the latter two methods ever be undisabled or are the disabled forever for unexplained reasons?{{unsigned|Bellsprout}}
:As of yet it's hard to tell. I doubt they would've coded them originally with the intention of disabling them (though Faraway Island and the Hall of Origin do spring to mind...), and the tutorials even mention them. Having grayed out buttons also seems odd, if they were going to remove them completely they should've removed the buttons too. It seems they were only disabled along with the introduction of the hour limit from the news releases and help topics, so I'd assume when the hour limit is removed(if ever...) they'll be re-enabled. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 14:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Limit of 50 ==

Serebii talks about a limit wherein you can only receive 50 Pokémon from the Dream World ever. Others on the net say that that limit applies only to the number in the High Link forest (unless Serebii actually means the same thing, just bad wording). Can anyone here confirm what is true? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 06:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:Hmm... I had assumed it wouldn't be a hard limit of 50 as that seems an odd arbitrary number. Looking at the text I have though now I'm even more confused... I thought there was more detail about it, but this is all I can find in the Dream World tutorial, and I can't find anything about it in the game. I'll keep looking though.
:{{tt|This is the '''Friend Board'''.|kore wa '''nakayoshi board'''}}
:{{tt|Photographs of the Pokemon that were met and wished to '''become a friend''' at the '''Dream Island''', and those Pokemon whose wishes have been granted, appear on this '''Friend Board'''.|'''yumeshima''' de deatta Pokémon to "nakama ni naritai" to onegaisuru to kono '''nakayoshi board''' ni negai o kometa Pokémon no shashin ga harareru no}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon on the '''Friend Board''' will appear in the '''Hi Link''''s '''Forest Plaza'''.|'''nakayoshi board''' no Pokémon wa '''hilink''' no '''mori no hiroba''' ni arawaremasu}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon that appear in the '''Forest Plaza''' will surely become your friends.|'''mori no hiroba''' ni arawareta pokemon wa kitto anata no nakama ni nattekureru wa}}
:{{tt|That's right! If there are more than 50 photographs on the '''Friend Board''', you can't go to the '''Dream Island''', so be careful!|sōsō! '''nakayoshi board''' ni hatta shashin ga 50mai o koeru to '''yumeshima''' ni ikenakunaru kara chūi shite ne!}}
:Translation by me. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:55, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::The picture accompanying the second half of that help page displays the side of the friend board that shows Pokemon from Dream World waiting to be brought back to your game. I suspect it means that it can only store 50 Pokemon before you have to bring them back, but the other side (pokemon you ''have'' brought back) looks like it may only have room at the bottom between the arrows for 5 pages of Pokemon at 10 pictures per page, so I don't know. I've only brought back 25 anyway, so it'll be a while before I could say. --[[User:Emtu|Emtu]] 18:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I found this page after searching for this very subject. Unable to find a concrete answer anywhere on the web (that was perfectly clear) I contacted the pokemon support team. Here is their response: "Currently, the limit for total transfers is 50 as stated. It is possible that this limit will be expanded in future promotions or updates, however there is no released information to do so at this time."
So it looks like we're stuck at 50 for now. I responded and asked if the 50 pokemon limit included promotional pokemon, like the evee evolution. I'll update when I receive a response.
[[User:Torynspirit|Torynspirit]] 23:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I've passed more than 100 pokémon from dream world to my japanese game. Or you are talking about limit of pokémon inside of the entralink? In that case, I don't know, but until now, i've no problem with that. If you go to Entralink and say No to one pokémon, he'll go to more inside the forest. [[User:Maverick Hunter|Maverick Hunter]]

== America ==

Will this be accessible in America?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 03:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:I believe I saw the website listed on the American boxart. So yes. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:46, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::Whew...that's a relief.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 06:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Dream locations ==

Are there set pokemon and Items that could randomly be found or is the pokemon and items appearing in a area totally random? And totally random means that say, moltres could appear in shining sea, or magikarp in the forest, etc. [[User:Catboy41|Catboy41]] 00:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
:Never mind, silly question. But shouldn't there be separate pages for the dream locations?[[User:Catboy41|Thanks, Catboy41]] 21:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
::There should, but we haven't gotten around to it yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Trainer tokens ==

I remember seeing the symbol used in the "fun zone" for trainer tokens somewhere in dream world related content I'm pretty sure I saw it on the GL site when it was up in jap and I was just blindly clicking anything to see if I could get a glimpse of what it would be like in English. is the currency use in the dream world the same currency? or is everything dream world related just shrouded in too much mystery and fog? —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:If I read the article properly I see that I am an idiot although I'm still pretty sure I saw that symbol, never mind —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== Eeveelution ==
How do you transfer the Eeveelution from the online Pokemon.com game from there? i have no idea. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 17:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:You wait for the distribution to launch (in Japan that was two months after the minigame did), then go to Promotions and activate it there. Then, the next time you wake up a Pokémon, it'll come too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I got a message from the Pokemon website support the other day that said the eeveelutions will be available on May 5th. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 06:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream World abilities and breeding with Ditto ==

Read:

'''''Breeding''' '''mechanics''':

''Female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities can pass on the Hidden Ability to their offspring. Ditto count as male for this purpose.''

However, I have seen other sources that say that Dream World abilities will '''''not''''' be inherited by the offspring ''at all'' if the father involved is Ditto. Can anyone else confirm this? [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 11:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

:This doesn't count as verification, but I just tried breeding my Cloud Nine female Lickitung with a Ditto and none of the 20 eggs I hatched came out with Cloud Nine. [[User:Hezekiah957|Hezekiah957]] 23:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

:Couldn't find anything relevant on the talk page for breeding, but out of 16 eggs with a Ditto and a Nidoran Female with Hustle, none of them hatched to have Hustle. Not impossible, but improbable. I have also not had it occur for any of my other Pokemon with Dream World abilities, out of 60-ish eggs total. I'd say this warrants further checking, but I'm inclined to think that they do not pass on through Ditto. [[User:TheBeardedRobot|TheBeardedRobot]] 06:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Good Evening. Pokemon Black & Pokemon White Versions: The Official Unova Pokedex & Guide: Volume 2.
Page 239
"Hidden Abilities can be inherited
Two of the Pokémon you'll find in the game have Hidden Abilities: the Musharna that shows up in the Dreamyard every Friday after you finish the main story, and the Darmanitan that awakens from a statue with a RageCandyBar in the Desert Resort. If you leave a Musharna with the Hidden Ability Telepathy at the Pokémon Day Care, you may find an Egg of a Munna with the same Hidden Ability. If you leave a Darmanitan with the Hidden Ability Zen Mode, you may find an Egg of a Darumaka with the Hidden Ability Inner Focus."
There is a fine-print at the bottom of the page. "If the male Pokémon has a Hidden Ability, or if you leave a Pokémon with a Ditto, the Hidden Ability won't be passed on."

Just helping to confirm this with an official source/reference before more rumors spread. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 03:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== Manipulation? ==

can someone find out if you can manipulate game sync by changing the time? i don't think you can.
[[User:Pokemoninfo|Pokemoninfo]] 20:32, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
:No, unfortunetely not. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 18:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Pokémon ==

Is it possible to catch a shiny Pokémon from the dream world? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 18:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pile ice cream! ==

Possible to have a list of what berries generate what ice cream in terms of scoop and stickiness? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:17, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:I made one back in October, and gave it to Serebii.
:[http://serebii.net/blackwhite/dreamworldmini.shtml Here it is,] and [http://serebii.net/archive/October-2010.shtml here's] the news page mentioning it was my data. I don't seem to have the original text files anymore but there you go. By the way there's also a scoop of ice cream with six stars in each stat (lol) but that never gets used. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:: o_O Oh this should be fun. *gets to work~* [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

==Genders==

Has anyone else noticed that there are more male Pokémon than female. I've had about 4 females out of 20 Pokémon. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 19:36, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:Interesting. Which Pokémon turned out male, and which turned out female? It could just be gender ratios at play, and the ones you caught were more likely to be male anyway. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 00:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Its been in Pleasant Forest with under 7500 Dream Points and as far as I know most have a 50/50 ratio (except Nidoran). I also checked the last 42 I found, 9 out of 42 were female so it looks like about a 25% chance to be female. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:It depends on how you do in the games. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::No, it doesn't. When you enter the Island of Dreams, a list of Pokemon with predefined genders is sent to your computer. For some Pokemon you can even tell which gender they are by which minigame they want to play(!). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I as well have noticed the severe lack of female Pokémon being generated in the Dream World. After building up 50, I had only 10 females. Since only female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities may be used to breed the Hidden Ability, this would seem intentional so as to reduce the possibility of some individual getting a female to breed and trade the Hidden Ability over the Global network. I wouldn't be surprised if they also put a deadlock on the offspring of a Pokémon with a Hidden Ability being female. Seems reasonable to me. Hidden Abilities are supposed to be special to have. If you could just breed it, it wouldn't be valuable anymore. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 04:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== Loblolly ==

Does she have a Japanese name, or was she unnamed? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:19, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
:She does have a Japanese name. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::o.o Do we know what it is? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:34, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:::シタン. Up to you how to romanise it, I'd go with Shitan but I believe I read somewhere here someone found an etymological name link with シ being 'Ci'. Loblobby seems a dumb name though imo, makes me think of 'lol {{wp|Mr Blobby|Blobby}}.' [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 19:31, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Well a loblolly is a tree. I suppose the name sounds like something a person could dream up. ...So's Shitan, too. Red sandalwood tree. Nice. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== The image showing a Dream World Pokémon==

Why does it show a Lickitung in the article but when I click on the image it shows a Doduo? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:This image:[[File:DW Pokémon Send.png|thumb|300px|A male Doduo with {{a|Tangled Feet}}, its Hidden Ability]]
I see a female Lickitung. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:14, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Server Errors. Wait for it to fully change [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream Points ==

How exactly do you earn Dream Points, and where can you see how many you've collected? [[User:Cmlobue|Cmlobue]] 01:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:GL profile. Earned through games, watering plants, making a wish at the three and others. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The table of actions and how many Dream Points they award was taken from Serebii, correct? Has anyone actually confirmed these values? I ask because when you check your Dream Points in your profile, it never seems to end in single digits, so I wonder if the "1 point" per Item Swap is accurate or not. I believe someone else brought this up on the forum as well, so I thought I'd make a note of it here. If no one's confirmed these values personally, I can try to check my profile after performing certain actions to see if I can pinpoint if these values are correct. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:56, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Just as an update, I've definitely confirmed the Dream Points chart to be incorrect. I'm still collecting some data for some of the values I'm less sure of, but once I've finalized my findings, I'll update the chart in the article to reflect them. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 16:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
::I just played through today, recording nearly every action I took, as I've been doing for the past few times. According to the newly-current chart, I have gained '''470''' points today. However, my current point total is '''3030'''--exactly ''+500'' from last time (''2530''). In other words, ''I'm '''30''' points short.'' The only action I'm not 100% sure on is how many times I've swapped items, since I forgot I was recording that amidst my mad search for berries to water. I'm pretty sure I've done it at least twice...WAIT! I think I might have done it thrice! I remember swapping for a Pass Orb once, then swapping it away, but I ended up with one at the end, and I never found one on the island.
::Let's see...The first time I swapped, I got a Pass Orb. The second time, I swapped a Pass Orb for a Net Ball. And...the third time, I swapped...I swapped a Payapa Berry for another Pass Orb! This means I swapped ''3'' times!!
::[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlesv1ek77e Ergo!]
::I have reason to believe that remaining 30 points comes from the ''three times'' I swapped items--'''''10''' points per swap!'' (If this is true, then wherever the chart was originally obtained most likely had a typo.) What say you of this theory? [[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] 18:35, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Did your point totals on the other days you'd recorded your actions match in line with what they should have been based on the chart? Do you recall swapping items on those days? The 30 point difference seems strangely out of place - do you know how many neighbors' berry patches you watered and how many games you played and succeeded at on Dream Island? Have you recorded data on days following this and have you noticed any other irregularities? I will resume tracking my own data for a while to try to see if I can notice anything out of the ordinary, but I was fairly heavy on the swapping (average of 12 times per session as I was purposefully trying to test swapping) and never noticed my total Dream Points increasing at all from this. There's a chance the extra 30 points could have come from a few berries that were watered without your recorded total being updated, or even just 1 berry patch and 1 minigame played that were missed in the recording of data. I'm not saying that you're wrong, mind you - just trying to determine if this was a one-off "fluke" in the data. We'll need to see if it holds up in subsequent trips to the Dream World to say for sure. Of course, the easiest testing method would be to simply enter the dream world, swap as many items as possible, and then log out without doing anything else. The only points that ''should'' then be gained are the 50 you gain every time you enter the Dream World. I may test that way tonight. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 16:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Hmm...Okay, today, I racked up a total of 510 points. Won 13 minigames, so that's 260; watered 20 plants, that's 200; entered the Dream World, that's 50. Assuming I get 0 points for the 11 items I swapped...50 + 260 = 310, + 200 = 510. So that fits. Also, I checked the day before that day's and found that, ignoring the item swapping, I got the right number of points. So I must have maybe won a minigame and watered a berry plant without recording. I'd say your chart's accurate, at least for now (who knows--they might change things up a bit sometime later on). [[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] 21:47, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::I can confirm that item swapping doesn't give Dream Points. When the chart was published, I thought not getting Dream Points for swapping was out of place, so I tested it (checked points, made swap, checked points), and it does nothing. However, there is still the possibility that having others swap with you gives you points. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::I've double-checked that as well, and in fact had someone swap a number of items on my shelf while I was in the Dream World last night (went to shelf, went elsewhere, came back to shelf and at least 3 items had been swapped). I can confirm no points are gained when someone swaps with the items on your shelf (which is sad, because I really do think that would be a nice way of doing it to provide incentive to keep your shelves stocked with desirable items and not just trash). [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:21, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

== Pals ==

The article says that you can only visit Pals' houses, and that the house generated in the bottom right corner of the Dream Pal map is the player's Game Pal. However, I only have two Game Pals, and I have never seen either of them in that slot, and the only people I ever see there are randoms. Also, I can visit the houses of the random people who visit my house. In fact, Game Pals have no affect on the Dream World at all; Game Pals belong on the Pokémon Global Link page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, a bit of an assumption on my part since I have to many people on my Pal Pad to remember everyone. Also, I forgot about the mat. Just fix it :D [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Used to be that Game Pals did turn up in the bottom right slot, when they showed up in every slot in the old Japanese-only version, but yeah now it seems you can't visit Game Pals at all (unless they're also Dream Pals, I've heard). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

"Upon entering the Island of Dreams a certain number of times, players will start to find nothing on the island" is that until the next visit or forever? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 14:23, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Until the next visit. Players can perform about 4-5 runs through the Island of Dreams before they can no longer encounter Pokémon or items, and then upon the next Game Sync, they can start fresh. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Breeding Mechanics ==

Regarding the Breeding Mechanics section, it mentions passing on the Hidden Ability of a female Dream World Pokémon, but makes no mention of male Pokémon and the Dream World-only moves. Can these be passed on via breeding at all, or are they exclusive only to Pokémon that are actually found in the Dream World? Either way, should a note of that be made in the article? [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 15:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:If they're egg moves, yes, they can. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 23:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Find the missing <Pokémon>! ==

The game we're calling "Find the missing <Pokémon>!" is called "Pokémon Seek" when you fail. Should we change the section header? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:In fact, "Let's play with a Flying Pokémon!" is named "Sky Race" when the Pokémon request that you play it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::They all have shorter snappier names, I noticed them looking through the .xml files, but since they weren't shown anywhere near as prominent as the current titles I didn't add them. I'll go check what they were. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:51, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::Here they are:
<string id="y_ag_1">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Ice Cream Scoop.</string>
<string id="y_ag_3">I'm sorry you didn't complete the Sky Race.</string>
<string id="y_ag_5">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Pokémon Seek.</string>
<string id="y_ag_7">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Wailord's Water Spout.</string>
::Also, I have access to the Dream World text in all seven languages, so if you want any worldwide names of anything, just let me know what on my talkpage. One notable exception however is Décor. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 19:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I think that we should use those names, as they seem to be the actual names of the games, whereas the ones we are currently using are just sentences. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

== Score ==

Is it yet known whether the Score for your Mini-game completions go to anything? Like a score board, high scores, something? It currently feels too shallow to bother putting a score to your performance. Just need to hit the Target Line then stop is really it...{{unsigned|PKMN Soldier Berlioz}}
:Well I know for a fact it goes towards your Dream Points. As for a high score board, I don't know. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure it affects the moves of your Pokémon. If you perform poorly, it only has common moves; if you perform well, it has the more common special move; if you perform very well, it has the rarer special move. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I wish there were a better way to test this. My first few days, I did pretty horribly in all of the mini-games (just barely passing the target but with low scores) and I still got Pokémon that knew their special moves. Conversely, I've done really well in some minigames (>60,000 points) and only ever seemed to manage to get Pokémon with their regular moves. I have a feeling the "scoring better gives better odds of special moves" thing is more rumor than fact, but other than gathering a large data pool of resulting Pokémon from really good scores versus really bad scores, I'm not really sure how to prove it. (And even then, it would depend on whether the amount of Pokémon with special moves after obtaining high scores is actually statistically significant enough to determine the scoring to be the cause...) [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm as certain as I can be that the score affects whether the pokemon gets a heart icon after the game. Whether the heart icon is directly connected to special moves is a different issue, and I don't even remember which moves to be looking for. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 16:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::I've always seen the heart icon anytime I've passed a mini-game, and the one time I didn't pass, it only had a musical note. However, that pokemon wasn't befriended because I didn't pass the mini-game. --[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 12:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon to the Mini-game ==

I've obtained enough data to believe without a shadow of a doubt that every Pokémon has its own mini-game assigned to it. ex. Lickitung is always doing a Pokémon Search. I'll begin adding them as I see them. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 04:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:Doesn't gender also play a role? I recall hearing that you can (sometimes? always?) determine the gender of a Pokémon by the ganme you're asked to play. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 04:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::I've gotten the same Pokémon to do all sorts of different games. I don't keep track of it though. But I'll keep an eye out. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Right. Here's a list of the main forest ones I made back from the Japanese Dream World.
:::Key: Game: Pokemon which want this gameGen/der.
:::Serve: 161M/F, 174M/F, 83M/F, 403M/F, 270'''F''', 399M/F.
:::Search: 191M/F, 187M/(and probably F), 77M/(and probably F), 179M/F, 108M/F, 115F.
:::Bounce: 43M/F, 69M/F, 114M/F, 276M/F, 270'''M''', 283M/F.
:::Fly: 84M/F, 32M/29F, 234M/F, 261M/F, 19M/F, 102M/F.
:::I haven't investigated any of the other areas in the same depth though, and don't know if it has changed for the international site.{{unsigned|bluesun}}

== Whuh? ==
I am SO confused. How do you get multiple Pokémon on a friend board? Every way I can tell it could work doesn't. Since the Dream Bridge disappears after you make a wish, You can't make multiple. Also, any Pokémon you wish for comes with the Pokémon you sent, so you can't do that. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 20:22, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
:Maybe events. Once the eeveelutions are released we'll know how that works. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 21:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
::Click the tab 'Pokémon sent' or whatever it's called to see the last 49-50 Pokémon you've sent to your DS. Also yeah, when you have an event ready to be sent they show alongside Pokémon you've wished for. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 23:34, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

== More Dream World infos ==

Noticed some tidbits of info missing, some could be considered tips or hints, but I'm not fully sure how to word these in adding them to the sections.

In Pokemon Seek, the timer does pause if you find the wrong Pokemon, but the timer does NOT pause when you "Listen Carefully". If you're skilled enough and know what sections would potentially hide a Pokemon, you can easily clear 3 fields within the 4-5 second period that Listen Carefully uses up when clicked.

In Wailord's Water Spout, ANY contact with a ball increases its lamp counter. If done right, a launch can cause a Pokemon to bounce between two balls rapidly as it ascends, causing the lamp counter(s) to quickly light up, thus quickly increasing your multiplier. This is only useful if you care about score, however, and as far as I know, doesn't influence any of the mechanics in the Dream World.

In Sky Race, water symbols give 300 points and Speed Up bonuses give 1000 points. When the speed meter is max, water symbols give 450 points and matching 3 symbols give an additional 1500 points.

In Ice Cream Scoop, it may be possible to lose ice cream after its been stacked by dropping a large scoop on the stack. I've noticed the ice cream wobbles and shifts a little before flashing as if it had been set again.

I've seen some people with 5 rows of garden space, but not entirely sure when that becomes unlocked as I've just got my 4th garden row.

Island of Dreams, you can go through about 4 or 5 times before nothing appears, and staying in the Dream World without waking up your Pokemon will not reset this value, nor will it allow you to go back to the Island of Dreams if you made a wish. You have to wake your Pokemon and put it to sleep again in order to be able to find Pokemon and items in the Island of Dreams again.
--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 12:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

:I just want to add that the one hour time limit doesn't seem to be set in stone. I just tried it, and started playing at 2:10 AM EDT. I am now getting messages saying "An hour has passed since you started playing. It is now 3:28 AM EDT. the first five messages had both the x in the corner, and the "Return to Dream World" button. Then, the sixth message omitted the buttons, instead telling me I either HAD to wake up my Pokemon, or continue sleeping. Does anybody know what "stops" the timer? Like if there's a loading screen, does it stop the 1 hour timer, or not? --[[User:Tails0600|Tails]][[User talk:Tails0600|0600]]'' 07:31, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:It doesn't, the timer is started shortly before the main Dream World video finishes loading and from then on nothing stops it, and it's counted server-side. I don't know how it chooses whether to give you the 'Return to Dream World' button or not but the amount of times it comes up seems to differ wildly. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 11:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::Also, the trips to the Island of Dreams seems to be per area rather than trips total. Just a moment ago I had 6 trips to the Island of Dreams without having everything disappear: 2 of those trips were to the forest and the other 4 trips were to the sky.--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 03:55, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, just disproved that statement. Total trips allowed to the Island of Dreams is 6 per day, regardless of the area visited. After 6, nothing will show up.--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 13:20, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

== Logging in for points ==

I tried logging in today to see how many points I'd really earn. For logging in, I got 30, and that was without tucking in a Pokémon. Maybe the other 20's for tucking in one? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:03, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

== Waking. ==

There doesn't appear to be a way to wake a pokemon without the website, does there? It's interesting because the Walker wasn't strictly needed to restore the absent pokemon in HG/SS thanks to the safety feature. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:49, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:C-Gear

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==Distinguish?==
Is the fact that this is the only electronic device in the main series owned by a trainer that does not have "Poke" in it worth noting? Thanks. [[User:TFSpock|TFSpock]] 21:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)TFSpock

== "C" in C-Gear ==

I would assumed it stands for Communication Gear, but anyone have any other ideas? Or any origin of the name? I'd like to have confirmation to post "communication" before doing so. [[User:Chum|Chum]] 01:16, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Game Sync ==

Needing to wait 24 hours might happen if you tamper with the clock, but all your DS needs to do is hit midnight (and change dates) before you can tuck in a pokémon. So knowing for sure if it really is a 24 hour wait if you fiddle with the DS clock is imperative, because it's not true, otherwise. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:54, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

==Physical form==
Alright, I'm confused as to what the C-Gear actually looks like. We know what the X-Tranceiver looks like (we even have art of it), and that you receive the C-Gear after it. But you use the X-Tranceiver with friends, wirelessly, THROUGH the C-Gear. Is the X-Tranceiver a function of the C-Gear? Or is the C-Gear an upgrade to the X-Tranceiver? It's extremely unclear. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 00:27, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
:What I've thought is that it's possible that the C-Gear is actually given to the player, rather than the player character. For example all the stuff about uploading save files from players across the world doesn't quite make sense if it's given to the player character. That, or, maybe it's some sort of OS for the X-Transciever, and 'X-Transciever' is simply the Pokémon World's name for videochatting (which would explain Professor Oak's Pokémon X-Transciever). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 01:17, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
:Bear in mind, we still call our mobile phones "phones", despite the telephone being a very minor function in many cases. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:04, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

== Customisable icons. ==

I heard the selection is gender specific. Is it true? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 07:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:C-Gear

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Talk:Pokémon Dream World

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==Pokémon==
Well, I don't have too much of a right to say anything, since I don't know of an official source, but doesn't this need to be updated with all the other Pokémon availiable?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:It is an online feature, and Game Freak can make whatever they want appear in the wild here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be noted that a scientist in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald who is trying to develop a device that visually reproduced the dreams of Pokémon? It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 12:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:I think it should, and I kind of remember it. Where was it? Was he the guy in the Devon building in Rustboro? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:20, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, he was one of them. I believe the one in the top center. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 11:37, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==
This page needs them. Weren't there some screenshots or something from magazines about this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Woucha' mind putting THESE on? ==

{{p|Swanna}} *

{{p|Purotoga}} *

{{p|Kojondo}} *

{{p|Landros}} *

{{p|Dragonite}} *

{{p|Metagross}} *

{{p|Garchomp}} *

{{p|Miruhog}} *

{{p|Baibanira}} *

{{p|Warubiaru}} *

More to come.

* <nowiki>*</nowiki> Means a Pokémon and those related to it having abilities in the Dream World.

* ^^ Means an ability commonly found in the Dream World.

Thanks.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 13:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

: I added these to the list, but I haven't added their abilities. --[[User:Eskay|Eskay]] 20:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mewtwo and Other Legendaries ==

Alright, Mewtwo has a Dream World ability, so why isn't it listed in the Dream World? And what about other Legendaries like Groudon, Rayquaza, and the like? Is this list simply incomplete?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 04:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
: Yes, please read the {{template|incomplete}} template. That's what it says.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 04:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== I would like to thank everyone ==

For your effort put into this job. Thanks!--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
* Especially to {{u|Akurochan}} and {{u|Chungkingpun}}.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Dream World insiders? ==

Now the Dream World is open to the public, shouldn't we start adding stuff we can do there? I already summarized the big picture on this [[n:Pokémon Dream World reopens|Bulbanews article I wrote]], but I'm not sure how to best add all of that to this article. I'll start adding more details once someone has some solution. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 15:38, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
== Evolution ==
For Pokémon with different Dream World abilities than their evolutions, does their ability change upon evolving? For instance, would an Eevee with Anticipation evolve into a Vaporeon with Hydration? Or would the Vaporeon just have Water Absorb, like a normal in-game Vaporeon? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
:Since this is still unanswered (a month later), I'll create a corollary to the question. It's been suggested that Daruma Mode Hihidaruma can't have evolved. But what ability does a Darumakka with Inner Focus (obtained via the Dream World) have upon evolution? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Inner Focus Darumakka evolves into Daruma Mode Hihidaruma. Pokémon with Dream World abilities evolve into their Dream World forms. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 14:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Is there any chance to rip ALL Pokemon pictures from the Dream World website? This is the only way we could get decent artworks of Gen V Pokemon so early on. Also, they'll be useful even after the Sugimori Artwork is revealed (we can put them to the gallery, they are kind of like Dream World "sprites"). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:157Typhlosion_Dream.png Yes]. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 20:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Separate ==

I suggest the abilities part be a separate page. This page needs to have info on the Dream World itself and not just the Pokémon's abilities it gives. Also, there are Pokémon the come with moves, not just abilities. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed. I think we should also have a clear distinction between Dream World abilities and "natural" abilities. For example a "dream world only ability" tag, and having different tables in ability pages for pokemon that can have the ability naturally and those that only have it through the Dream World... I guess this is a good topic for the Main talk page, so I'll start a discussion there. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 23:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::I say we keep it all as one page. The abilities get one section, the moves get another section. Dream World abilities are already separated like that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::That would mean a horribly long page full of tables and text all together. A mess. There are too much Pokémon. If they decide to expand this in a new game, it will get worse. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I say one page for the Dream World describing the features, areas, etc., and one page, maybe two, for abilities and moves. I don't think we can fit everything on this page, especially because of how many things one can do in the Dream World (not limited to catching Pokémon). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::That would be opposed to having several extra pages that are purely tables. We could have {{red link|List of Pokémon by Dream World ability}} if this page gets long, but it seems fine for now. As for the moves, there aren't many so they can have a section here, no need for their own page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

==Pokémon available==
Is it true that every Pokémon is available in the Dream World? I don't think the evolved forms are available.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 12:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
:Every Pokémon can be available, it's all up to whoever manages the Dream World to put Pokémon in. There are no set Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:41, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Latter Two Methods Disabled ==

Players may make neighbors by meeting other players online, after adding Friend Codes, meeting on the GTS, or befriending someone as the Dream Tree. '''However, the latter two methods depend on options which are currently disabled. Players may go to their neighbors' islands and water their berries or trade items.'''

So, will the latter two methods ever be undisabled or are the disabled forever for unexplained reasons?{{unsigned|Bellsprout}}
:As of yet it's hard to tell. I doubt they would've coded them originally with the intention of disabling them (though Faraway Island and the Hall of Origin do spring to mind...), and the tutorials even mention them. Having grayed out buttons also seems odd, if they were going to remove them completely they should've removed the buttons too. It seems they were only disabled along with the introduction of the hour limit from the news releases and help topics, so I'd assume when the hour limit is removed(if ever...) they'll be re-enabled. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 14:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Limit of 50 ==

Serebii talks about a limit wherein you can only receive 50 Pokémon from the Dream World ever. Others on the net say that that limit applies only to the number in the High Link forest (unless Serebii actually means the same thing, just bad wording). Can anyone here confirm what is true? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 06:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:Hmm... I had assumed it wouldn't be a hard limit of 50 as that seems an odd arbitrary number. Looking at the text I have though now I'm even more confused... I thought there was more detail about it, but this is all I can find in the Dream World tutorial, and I can't find anything about it in the game. I'll keep looking though.
:{{tt|This is the '''Friend Board'''.|kore wa '''nakayoshi board'''}}
:{{tt|Photographs of the Pokemon that were met and wished to '''become a friend''' at the '''Dream Island''', and those Pokemon whose wishes have been granted, appear on this '''Friend Board'''.|'''yumeshima''' de deatta Pokémon to "nakama ni naritai" to onegaisuru to kono '''nakayoshi board''' ni negai o kometa Pokémon no shashin ga harareru no}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon on the '''Friend Board''' will appear in the '''Hi Link''''s '''Forest Plaza'''.|'''nakayoshi board''' no Pokémon wa '''hilink''' no '''mori no hiroba''' ni arawaremasu}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon that appear in the '''Forest Plaza''' will surely become your friends.|'''mori no hiroba''' ni arawareta pokemon wa kitto anata no nakama ni nattekureru wa}}
:{{tt|That's right! If there are more than 50 photographs on the '''Friend Board''', you can't go to the '''Dream Island''', so be careful!|sōsō! '''nakayoshi board''' ni hatta shashin ga 50mai o koeru to '''yumeshima''' ni ikenakunaru kara chūi shite ne!}}
:Translation by me. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:55, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::The picture accompanying the second half of that help page displays the side of the friend board that shows Pokemon from Dream World waiting to be brought back to your game. I suspect it means that it can only store 50 Pokemon before you have to bring them back, but the other side (pokemon you ''have'' brought back) looks like it may only have room at the bottom between the arrows for 5 pages of Pokemon at 10 pictures per page, so I don't know. I've only brought back 25 anyway, so it'll be a while before I could say. --[[User:Emtu|Emtu]] 18:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

== America ==

Will this be accessible in America?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 03:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:I believe I saw the website listed on the American boxart. So yes. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:46, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::Whew...that's a relief.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 06:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Dream locations ==

Are there set pokemon and Items that could randomly be found or is the pokemon and items appearing in a area totally random? And totally random means that say, moltres could appear in shining sea, or magikarp in the forest, etc. [[User:Catboy41|Catboy41]] 00:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
:Never mind, silly question. But shouldn't there be separate pages for the dream locations?[[User:Catboy41|Thanks, Catboy41]] 21:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
::There should, but we haven't gotten around to it yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Trainer tokens ==

I remember seeing the symbol used in the "fun zone" for trainer tokens somewhere in dream world related content I'm pretty sure I saw it on the GL site when it was up in jap and I was just blindly clicking anything to see if I could get a glimpse of what it would be like in English. is the currency use in the dream world the same currency? or is everything dream world related just shrouded in too much mystery and fog? —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:If I read the article properly I see that I am an idiot although I'm still pretty sure I saw that symbol, never mind —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== Eeveelution ==
How do you transfer the Eeveelution from the online Pokemon.com game from there? i have no idea. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 17:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:You wait for the distribution to launch (in Japan that was two months after the minigame did), then go to Promotions and activate it there. Then, the next time you wake up a Pokémon, it'll come too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I got a message from the Pokemon website support the other day that said the eeveelutions will be available on May 5th. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 06:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream World abilities and breeding with Ditto ==

Read:

'''''Breeding''' '''mechanics''':

''Female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities can pass on the Hidden Ability to their offspring. Ditto count as male for this purpose.''

However, I have seen other sources that say that Dream World abilities will '''''not''''' be inherited by the offspring ''at all'' if the father involved is Ditto. Can anyone else confirm this? [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 11:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

:This doesn't count as verification, but I just tried breeding my Cloud Nine female Lickitung with a Ditto and none of the 20 eggs I hatched came out with Cloud Nine. [[User:Hezekiah957|Hezekiah957]] 23:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

:Couldn't find anything relevant on the talk page for breeding, but out of 16 eggs with a Ditto and a Nidoran Female with Hustle, none of them hatched to have Hustle. Not impossible, but improbable. I have also not had it occur for any of my other Pokemon with Dream World abilities, out of 60-ish eggs total. I'd say this warrants further checking, but I'm inclined to think that they do not pass on through Ditto. [[User:TheBeardedRobot|TheBeardedRobot]] 06:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Good Evening. Pokemon Black & Pokemon White Versions: The Official Unova Pokedex & Guide: Volume 2.
Page 239
"Hidden Abilities can be inherited
Two of the Pokémon you'll find in the game have Hidden Abilities: the Musharna that shows up in the Dreamyard every Friday after you finish the main story, and the Darmanitan that awakens from a statue with a RageCandyBar in the Desert Resort. If you leave a Musharna with the Hidden Ability Telepathy at the Pokémon Day Care, you may find an Egg of a Munna with the same Hidden Ability. If you leave a Darmanitan with the Hidden Ability Zen Mode, you may find an Egg of a Darumaka with the Hidden Ability Inner Focus."
There is a fine-print at the bottom of the page. "If the male Pokémon has a Hidden Ability, or if you leave a Pokémon with a Ditto, the Hidden Ability won't be passed on."

Just helping to confirm this with an official source/reference before more rumors spread. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 03:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== Manipulation? ==

can someone find out if you can manipulate game sync by changing the time? i don't think you can.
[[User:Pokemoninfo|Pokemoninfo]] 20:32, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
:No, unfortunetely not. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 18:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Pokémon ==

Is it possible to catch a shiny Pokémon from the dream world? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 18:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pile ice cream! ==

Possible to have a list of what berries generate what ice cream in terms of scoop and stickiness? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:17, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:I made one back in October, and gave it to Serebii.
:[http://serebii.net/blackwhite/dreamworldmini.shtml Here it is,] and [http://serebii.net/archive/October-2010.shtml here's] the news page mentioning it was my data. I don't seem to have the original text files anymore but there you go. By the way there's also a scoop of ice cream with six stars in each stat (lol) but that never gets used. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:: o_O Oh this should be fun. *gets to work~* [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

==Genders==

Has anyone else noticed that there are more male Pokémon than female. I've had about 4 females out of 20 Pokémon. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 19:36, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:Interesting. Which Pokémon turned out male, and which turned out female? It could just be gender ratios at play, and the ones you caught were more likely to be male anyway. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 00:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Its been in Pleasant Forest with under 7500 Dream Points and as far as I know most have a 50/50 ratio (except Nidoran). I also checked the last 42 I found, 9 out of 42 were female so it looks like about a 25% chance to be female. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:It depends on how you do in the games. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::No, it doesn't. When you enter the Island of Dreams, a list of Pokemon with predefined genders is sent to your computer. For some Pokemon you can even tell which gender they are by which minigame they want to play(!). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I as well have noticed the severe lack of female Pokémon being generated in the Dream World. After building up 50, I had only 10 females. Since only female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities may be used to breed the Hidden Ability, this would seem intentional so as to reduce the possibility of some individual getting a female to breed and trade the Hidden Ability over the Global network. I wouldn't be surprised if they also put a deadlock on the offspring of a Pokémon with a Hidden Ability being female. Seems reasonable to me. Hidden Abilities are supposed to be special to have. If you could just breed it, it wouldn't be valuable anymore. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 04:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== Loblolly ==

Does she have a Japanese name, or was she unnamed? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:19, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
:She does have a Japanese name. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::o.o Do we know what it is? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:34, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:::シタン. Up to you how to romanise it, I'd go with Shitan but I believe I read somewhere here someone found an etymological name link with シ being 'Ci'. Loblobby seems a dumb name though imo, makes me think of 'lol {{wp|Mr Blobby|Blobby}}.' [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 19:31, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Well a loblolly is a tree. I suppose the name sounds like something a person could dream up. ...So's Shitan, too. Red sandalwood tree. Nice. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== The image showing a Dream World Pokémon==

Why does it show a Lickitung in the article but when I click on the image it shows a Doduo? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:This image:[[File:DW Pokémon Send.png|thumb|300px|A male Doduo with {{a|Tangled Feet}}, its Hidden Ability]]
I see a female Lickitung. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:14, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Server Errors. Wait for it to fully change [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream Points ==

How exactly do you earn Dream Points, and where can you see how many you've collected? [[User:Cmlobue|Cmlobue]] 01:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:GL profile. Earned through games, watering plants, making a wish at the three and others. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The table of actions and how many Dream Points they award was taken from Serebii, correct? Has anyone actually confirmed these values? I ask because when you check your Dream Points in your profile, it never seems to end in single digits, so I wonder if the "1 point" per Item Swap is accurate or not. I believe someone else brought this up on the forum as well, so I thought I'd make a note of it here. If no one's confirmed these values personally, I can try to check my profile after performing certain actions to see if I can pinpoint if these values are correct. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:56, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Just as an update, I've definitely confirmed the Dream Points chart to be incorrect. I'm still collecting some data for some of the values I'm less sure of, but once I've finalized my findings, I'll update the chart in the article to reflect them. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 16:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
::I just played through today, recording nearly every action I took, as I've been doing for the past few times. According to the newly-current chart, I have gained '''470''' points today. However, my current point total is '''3030'''--exactly ''+500'' from last time (''2530''). In other words, ''I'm '''30''' points short.'' The only action I'm not 100% sure on is how many times I've swapped items, since I forgot I was recording that amidst my mad search for berries to water. I'm pretty sure I've done it at least twice...WAIT! I think I might have done it thrice! I remember swapping for a Pass Orb once, then swapping it away, but I ended up with one at the end, and I never found one on the island.
::Let's see...The first time I swapped, I got a Pass Orb. The second time, I swapped a Pass Orb for a Net Ball. And...the third time, I swapped...I swapped a Payapa Berry for another Pass Orb! This means I swapped ''3'' times!!
::[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlesv1ek77e Ergo!]
::I have reason to believe that remaining 30 points comes from the ''three times'' I swapped items--'''''10''' points per swap!'' (If this is true, then wherever the chart was originally obtained most likely had a typo.) What say you of this theory? [[User:FerreTrip|FerreTrip]] 18:35, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pals ==

The article says that you can only visit Pals' houses, and that the house generated in the bottom right corner of the Dream Pal map is the player's Game Pal. However, I only have two Game Pals, and I have never seen either of them in that slot, and the only people I ever see there are randoms. Also, I can visit the houses of the random people who visit my house. In fact, Game Pals have no affect on the Dream World at all; Game Pals belong on the Pokémon Global Link page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, a bit of an assumption on my part since I have to many people on my Pal Pad to remember everyone. Also, I forgot about the mat. Just fix it :D [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Used to be that Game Pals did turn up in the bottom right slot, when they showed up in every slot in the old Japanese-only version, but yeah now it seems you can't visit Game Pals at all (unless they're also Dream Pals, I've heard). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

"Upon entering the Island of Dreams a certain number of times, players will start to find nothing on the island" is that until the next visit or forever? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 14:23, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Until the next visit. Players can perform about 4-5 runs through the Island of Dreams before they can no longer encounter Pokémon or items, and then upon the next Game Sync, they can start fresh. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Breeding Mechanics ==

Regarding the Breeding Mechanics section, it mentions passing on the Hidden Ability of a female Dream World Pokémon, but makes no mention of male Pokémon and the Dream World-only moves. Can these be passed on via breeding at all, or are they exclusive only to Pokémon that are actually found in the Dream World? Either way, should a note of that be made in the article? [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 15:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:If they're egg moves, yes, they can. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 23:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Find the missing <Pokémon>! ==

The game we're calling "Find the missing <Pokémon>!" is called "Pokémon Seek" when you fail. Should we change the section header? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:In fact, "Let's play with a Flying Pokémon!" is named "Sky Race" when the Pokémon request that you play it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::They all have shorter snappier names, I noticed them looking through the .xml files, but since they weren't shown anywhere near as prominent as the current titles I didn't add them. I'll go check what they were. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:51, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::Here they are:
<string id="y_ag_1">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Ice Cream Scoop.</string>
<string id="y_ag_3">I'm sorry you didn't complete the Sky Race.</string>
<string id="y_ag_5">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Pokémon Seek.</string>
<string id="y_ag_7">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Wailord's Water Spout.</string>
::Also, I have access to the Dream World text in all seven languages, so if you want any worldwide names of anything, just let me know what on my talkpage. One notable exception however is Décor. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 19:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I think that we should use those names, as they seem to be the actual names of the games, whereas the ones we are currently using are just sentences. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

== Score ==

Is it yet known whether the Score for your Mini-game completions go to anything? Like a score board, high scores, something? It currently feels too shallow to bother putting a score to your performance. Just need to hit the Target Line then stop is really it...{{unsigned|PKMN Soldier Berlioz}}
:Well I know for a fact it goes towards your Dream Points. As for a high score board, I don't know. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure it affects the moves of your Pokémon. If you perform poorly, it only has common moves; if you perform well, it has the more common special move; if you perform very well, it has the rarer special move. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I wish there were a better way to test this. My first few days, I did pretty horribly in all of the mini-games (just barely passing the target but with low scores) and I still got Pokémon that knew their special moves. Conversely, I've done really well in some minigames (>60,000 points) and only ever seemed to manage to get Pokémon with their regular moves. I have a feeling the "scoring better gives better odds of special moves" thing is more rumor than fact, but other than gathering a large data pool of resulting Pokémon from really good scores versus really bad scores, I'm not really sure how to prove it. (And even then, it would depend on whether the amount of Pokémon with special moves after obtaining high scores is actually statistically significant enough to determine the scoring to be the cause...) [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm as certain as I can be that the score affects whether the pokemon gets a heart icon after the game. Whether the heart icon is directly connected to special moves is a different issue, and I don't even remember which moves to be looking for. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 16:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon to the Mini-game ==

I've obtained enough data to believe without a shadow of a doubt that every Pokémon has its own mini-game assigned to it. ex. Lickitung is always doing a Pokémon Search. I'll begin adding them as I see them. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 04:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:Doesn't gender also play a role? I recall hearing that you can (sometimes? always?) determine the gender of a Pokémon by the ganme you're asked to play. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 04:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::I've gotten the same Pokémon to do all sorts of different games. I don't keep track of it though. But I'll keep an eye out. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Right. Here's a list of the main forest ones I made back from the Japanese Dream World.
:::Key: Game: Pokemon which want this gameGen/der.
:::Serve: 161M/F, 174M/F, 83M/F, 403M/F, 270'''F''', 399M/F.
:::Search: 191M/F, 187M/(and probably F), 77M/(and probably F), 179M/F, 108M/F, 115F.
:::Bounce: 43M/F, 69M/F, 114M/F, 276M/F, 270'''M''', 283M/F.
:::Fly: 84M/F, 32M/29F, 234M/F, 261M/F, 19M/F, 102M/F.
:::I haven't investigated any of the other areas in the same depth though, and don't know if it has changed for the international site.{{unsigned|bluesun}}

== Whuh? ==
I am SO confused. How do you get multiple Pokémon on a friend board? Every way I can tell it could work doesn't. Since the Dream Bridge disappears after you make a wish, You can't make multiple. Also, any Pokémon you wish for comes with the Pokémon you sent, so you can't do that. [[User:EnosShayrem|EnosShayrem]] 20:22, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
:Maybe events. Once the eeveelutions are released we'll know how that works. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 21:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Tubeline Bridge

2011-05-01T17:03:22Z

PLA:

== Tubeline Bridge draws inspiration from the Forth Bridge. ==

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:48, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== "lead Pokémon" is a little vague ==

The original name of the gang was "The Black Empoleon". When the name is changed to the "lead Pokémon", does this mean your starter, or does this mean the first Pokémon in your party? Also, does a nickname affect this at all? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 01:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:The Pokemon first in your party. And no, nickname has no effect. I beat him with my ''Majora'', but they renamed themselves the "Black Stunfisk". '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 01:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Another thing that's a little vague. Does he get impressed and rename it every Friday, or just the one time? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 17:03, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Boldore (Pokémon)

2011-05-01T16:28:04Z

PLA: Created page with "Does Worker Rich in Twist Mountain's non-winter cave have a Boldore without Sturdy? I assumed minor NPCs would have standard abilities. ~~~~"

Does Worker Rich in Twist Mountain's non-winter cave have a Boldore without Sturdy? I assumed minor NPCs would have standard abilities. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 16:28, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Dream World

2011-04-28T16:34:15Z

PLA: /* Score */

==Pokémon==
Well, I don't have too much of a right to say anything, since I don't know of an official source, but doesn't this need to be updated with all the other Pokémon availiable?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:It is an online feature, and Game Freak can make whatever they want appear in the wild here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be noted that a scientist in Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald who is trying to develop a device that visually reproduced the dreams of Pokémon? It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 12:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:I think it should, and I kind of remember it. Where was it? Was he the guy in the Devon building in Rustboro? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:20, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, he was one of them. I believe the one in the top center. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 11:37, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==
This page needs them. Weren't there some screenshots or something from magazines about this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Woucha' mind putting THESE on? ==

{{p|Swanna}} *

{{p|Purotoga}} *

{{p|Kojondo}} *

{{p|Landros}} *

{{p|Dragonite}} *

{{p|Metagross}} *

{{p|Garchomp}} *

{{p|Miruhog}} *

{{p|Baibanira}} *

{{p|Warubiaru}} *

More to come.

* <nowiki>*</nowiki> Means a Pokémon and those related to it having abilities in the Dream World.

* ^^ Means an ability commonly found in the Dream World.

Thanks.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 13:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

: I added these to the list, but I haven't added their abilities. --[[User:Eskay|Eskay]] 20:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mewtwo and Other Legendaries ==

Alright, Mewtwo has a Dream World ability, so why isn't it listed in the Dream World? And what about other Legendaries like Groudon, Rayquaza, and the like? Is this list simply incomplete?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 04:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
: Yes, please read the {{template|incomplete}} template. That's what it says.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 04:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== I would like to thank everyone ==

For your effort put into this job. Thanks!--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
* Especially to {{u|Akurochan}} and {{u|Chungkingpun}}.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

== Dream World insiders? ==

Now the Dream World is open to the public, shouldn't we start adding stuff we can do there? I already summarized the big picture on this [[n:Pokémon Dream World reopens|Bulbanews article I wrote]], but I'm not sure how to best add all of that to this article. I'll start adding more details once someone has some solution. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 15:38, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
== Evolution ==
For Pokémon with different Dream World abilities than their evolutions, does their ability change upon evolving? For instance, would an Eevee with Anticipation evolve into a Vaporeon with Hydration? Or would the Vaporeon just have Water Absorb, like a normal in-game Vaporeon? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
:Since this is still unanswered (a month later), I'll create a corollary to the question. It's been suggested that Daruma Mode Hihidaruma can't have evolved. But what ability does a Darumakka with Inner Focus (obtained via the Dream World) have upon evolution? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Inner Focus Darumakka evolves into Daruma Mode Hihidaruma. Pokémon with Dream World abilities evolve into their Dream World forms. [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 14:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Is there any chance to rip ALL Pokemon pictures from the Dream World website? This is the only way we could get decent artworks of Gen V Pokemon so early on. Also, they'll be useful even after the Sugimori Artwork is revealed (we can put them to the gallery, they are kind of like Dream World "sprites"). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:[http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:157Typhlosion_Dream.png Yes]. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 20:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Separate ==

I suggest the abilities part be a separate page. This page needs to have info on the Dream World itself and not just the Pokémon's abilities it gives. Also, there are Pokémon the come with moves, not just abilities. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Agreed. I think we should also have a clear distinction between Dream World abilities and "natural" abilities. For example a "dream world only ability" tag, and having different tables in ability pages for pokemon that can have the ability naturally and those that only have it through the Dream World... I guess this is a good topic for the Main talk page, so I'll start a discussion there. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 23:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::I say we keep it all as one page. The abilities get one section, the moves get another section. Dream World abilities are already separated like that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::That would mean a horribly long page full of tables and text all together. A mess. There are too much Pokémon. If they decide to expand this in a new game, it will get worse. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I say one page for the Dream World describing the features, areas, etc., and one page, maybe two, for abilities and moves. I don't think we can fit everything on this page, especially because of how many things one can do in the Dream World (not limited to catching Pokémon). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::That would be opposed to having several extra pages that are purely tables. We could have {{red link|List of Pokémon by Dream World ability}} if this page gets long, but it seems fine for now. As for the moves, there aren't many so they can have a section here, no need for their own page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

==Pokémon available==
Is it true that every Pokémon is available in the Dream World? I don't think the evolved forms are available.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 12:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
:Every Pokémon can be available, it's all up to whoever manages the Dream World to put Pokémon in. There are no set Pokémon. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:41, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

== Latter Two Methods Disabled ==

Players may make neighbors by meeting other players online, after adding Friend Codes, meeting on the GTS, or befriending someone as the Dream Tree. '''However, the latter two methods depend on options which are currently disabled. Players may go to their neighbors' islands and water their berries or trade items.'''

So, will the latter two methods ever be undisabled or are the disabled forever for unexplained reasons?{{unsigned|Bellsprout}}
:As of yet it's hard to tell. I doubt they would've coded them originally with the intention of disabling them (though Faraway Island and the Hall of Origin do spring to mind...), and the tutorials even mention them. Having grayed out buttons also seems odd, if they were going to remove them completely they should've removed the buttons too. It seems they were only disabled along with the introduction of the hour limit from the news releases and help topics, so I'd assume when the hour limit is removed(if ever...) they'll be re-enabled. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 14:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Limit of 50 ==

Serebii talks about a limit wherein you can only receive 50 Pokémon from the Dream World ever. Others on the net say that that limit applies only to the number in the High Link forest (unless Serebii actually means the same thing, just bad wording). Can anyone here confirm what is true? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 06:37, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:Hmm... I had assumed it wouldn't be a hard limit of 50 as that seems an odd arbitrary number. Looking at the text I have though now I'm even more confused... I thought there was more detail about it, but this is all I can find in the Dream World tutorial, and I can't find anything about it in the game. I'll keep looking though.
:{{tt|This is the '''Friend Board'''.|kore wa '''nakayoshi board'''}}
:{{tt|Photographs of the Pokemon that were met and wished to '''become a friend''' at the '''Dream Island''', and those Pokemon whose wishes have been granted, appear on this '''Friend Board'''.|'''yumeshima''' de deatta Pokémon to "nakama ni naritai" to onegaisuru to kono '''nakayoshi board''' ni negai o kometa Pokémon no shashin ga harareru no}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon on the '''Friend Board''' will appear in the '''Hi Link''''s '''Forest Plaza'''.|'''nakayoshi board''' no Pokémon wa '''hilink''' no '''mori no hiroba''' ni arawaremasu}}
:{{tt|The Pokemon that appear in the '''Forest Plaza''' will surely become your friends.|'''mori no hiroba''' ni arawareta pokemon wa kitto anata no nakama ni nattekureru wa}}
:{{tt|That's right! If there are more than 50 photographs on the '''Friend Board''', you can't go to the '''Dream Island''', so be careful!|sōsō! '''nakayoshi board''' ni hatta shashin ga 50mai o koeru to '''yumeshima''' ni ikenakunaru kara chūi shite ne!}}
:Translation by me. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:55, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::The picture accompanying the second half of that help page displays the side of the friend board that shows Pokemon from Dream World waiting to be brought back to your game. I suspect it means that it can only store 50 Pokemon before you have to bring them back, but the other side (pokemon you ''have'' brought back) looks like it may only have room at the bottom between the arrows for 5 pages of Pokemon at 10 pictures per page, so I don't know. I've only brought back 25 anyway, so it'll be a while before I could say. --[[User:Emtu|Emtu]] 18:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

== America ==

Will this be accessible in America?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 03:40, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:I believe I saw the website listed on the American boxart. So yes. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 03:46, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::Whew...that's a relief.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 06:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Dream locations ==

Are there set pokemon and Items that could randomly be found or is the pokemon and items appearing in a area totally random? And totally random means that say, moltres could appear in shining sea, or magikarp in the forest, etc. [[User:Catboy41|Catboy41]] 00:36, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
:Never mind, silly question. But shouldn't there be separate pages for the dream locations?[[User:Catboy41|Thanks, Catboy41]] 21:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
::There should, but we haven't gotten around to it yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Trainer tokens ==

I remember seeing the symbol used in the "fun zone" for trainer tokens somewhere in dream world related content I'm pretty sure I saw it on the GL site when it was up in jap and I was just blindly clicking anything to see if I could get a glimpse of what it would be like in English. is the currency use in the dream world the same currency? or is everything dream world related just shrouded in too much mystery and fog? —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:If I read the article properly I see that I am an idiot although I'm still pretty sure I saw that symbol, never mind —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 06:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== Eeveelution ==
How do you transfer the Eeveelution from the online Pokemon.com game from there? i have no idea. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 17:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
:You wait for the distribution to launch (in Japan that was two months after the minigame did), then go to Promotions and activate it there. Then, the next time you wake up a Pokémon, it'll come too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:21, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I got a message from the Pokemon website support the other day that said the eeveelutions will be available on May 5th. [[User:Legionaireb|Legionaireb]] 06:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream World abilities and breeding with Ditto ==

Read:

'''''Breeding''' '''mechanics''':

''Female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities can pass on the Hidden Ability to their offspring. Ditto count as male for this purpose.''

However, I have seen other sources that say that Dream World abilities will '''''not''''' be inherited by the offspring ''at all'' if the father involved is Ditto. Can anyone else confirm this? [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 11:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

:This doesn't count as verification, but I just tried breeding my Cloud Nine female Lickitung with a Ditto and none of the 20 eggs I hatched came out with Cloud Nine. [[User:Hezekiah957|Hezekiah957]] 23:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

:Couldn't find anything relevant on the talk page for breeding, but out of 16 eggs with a Ditto and a Nidoran Female with Hustle, none of them hatched to have Hustle. Not impossible, but improbable. I have also not had it occur for any of my other Pokemon with Dream World abilities, out of 60-ish eggs total. I'd say this warrants further checking, but I'm inclined to think that they do not pass on through Ditto. [[User:TheBeardedRobot|TheBeardedRobot]] 06:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Good Evening. Pokemon Black & Pokemon White Versions: The Official Unova Pokedex & Guide: Volume 2.
Page 239
"Hidden Abilities can be inherited
Two of the Pokémon you'll find in the game have Hidden Abilities: the Musharna that shows up in the Dreamyard every Friday after you finish the main story, and the Darmanitan that awakens from a statue with a RageCandyBar in the Desert Resort. If you leave a Musharna with the Hidden Ability Telepathy at the Pokémon Day Care, you may find an Egg of a Munna with the same Hidden Ability. If you leave a Darmanitan with the Hidden Ability Zen Mode, you may find an Egg of a Darumaka with the Hidden Ability Inner Focus."
There is a fine-print at the bottom of the page. "If the male Pokémon has a Hidden Ability, or if you leave a Pokémon with a Ditto, the Hidden Ability won't be passed on."

Just helping to confirm this with an official source/reference before more rumors spread. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 03:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== Manipulation? ==

can someone find out if you can manipulate game sync by changing the time? i don't think you can.
[[User:Pokemoninfo|Pokemoninfo]] 20:32, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
:No, unfortunetely not. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 18:28, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Shiny Pokémon ==

Is it possible to catch a shiny Pokémon from the dream world? --[[User:Fimbulwinter2012|☆'''FiMbUlWiNtEr2O|2'''☆]] 18:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pile ice cream! ==

Possible to have a list of what berries generate what ice cream in terms of scoop and stickiness? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:17, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:I made one back in October, and gave it to Serebii.
:[http://serebii.net/blackwhite/dreamworldmini.shtml Here it is,] and [http://serebii.net/archive/October-2010.shtml here's] the news page mentioning it was my data. I don't seem to have the original text files anymore but there you go. By the way there's also a scoop of ice cream with six stars in each stat (lol) but that never gets used. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:: o_O Oh this should be fun. *gets to work~* [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 17:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

==Genders==

Has anyone else noticed that there are more male Pokémon than female. I've had about 4 females out of 20 Pokémon. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 19:36, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
:Interesting. Which Pokémon turned out male, and which turned out female? It could just be gender ratios at play, and the ones you caught were more likely to be male anyway. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 00:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Its been in Pleasant Forest with under 7500 Dream Points and as far as I know most have a 50/50 ratio (except Nidoran). I also checked the last 42 I found, 9 out of 42 were female so it looks like about a 25% chance to be female. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:It depends on how you do in the games. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::No, it doesn't. When you enter the Island of Dreams, a list of Pokemon with predefined genders is sent to your computer. For some Pokemon you can even tell which gender they are by which minigame they want to play(!). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I as well have noticed the severe lack of female Pokémon being generated in the Dream World. After building up 50, I had only 10 females. Since only female Pokémon with Hidden Abilities may be used to breed the Hidden Ability, this would seem intentional so as to reduce the possibility of some individual getting a female to breed and trade the Hidden Ability over the Global network. I wouldn't be surprised if they also put a deadlock on the offspring of a Pokémon with a Hidden Ability being female. Seems reasonable to me. Hidden Abilities are supposed to be special to have. If you could just breed it, it wouldn't be valuable anymore. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 04:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

== Loblolly ==

Does she have a Japanese name, or was she unnamed? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:19, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
:She does have a Japanese name. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::o.o Do we know what it is? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:34, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:::シタン. Up to you how to romanise it, I'd go with Shitan but I believe I read somewhere here someone found an etymological name link with シ being 'Ci'. Loblobby seems a dumb name though imo, makes me think of 'lol {{wp|Mr Blobby|Blobby}}.' [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 19:31, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Well a loblolly is a tree. I suppose the name sounds like something a person could dream up. ...So's Shitan, too. Red sandalwood tree. Nice. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 20:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== The image showing a Dream World Pokémon==

Why does it show a Lickitung in the article but when I click on the image it shows a Doduo? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:This image:[[File:DW Pokémon Send.png|thumb|300px|A male Doduo with {{a|Tangled Feet}}, its Hidden Ability]]
I see a female Lickitung. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 01:14, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Server Errors. Wait for it to fully change [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Dream Points ==

How exactly do you earn Dream Points, and where can you see how many you've collected? [[User:Cmlobue|Cmlobue]] 01:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:GL profile. Earned through games, watering plants, making a wish at the three and others. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 02:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
The table of actions and how many Dream Points they award was taken from Serebii, correct? Has anyone actually confirmed these values? I ask because when you check your Dream Points in your profile, it never seems to end in single digits, so I wonder if the "1 point" per Item Swap is accurate or not. I believe someone else brought this up on the forum as well, so I thought I'd make a note of it here. If no one's confirmed these values personally, I can try to check my profile after performing certain actions to see if I can pinpoint if these values are correct. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:56, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Just as an update, I've definitely confirmed the Dream Points chart to be incorrect. I'm still collecting some data for some of the values I'm less sure of, but once I've finalized my findings, I'll update the chart in the article to reflect them. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 16:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pals ==

The article says that you can only visit Pals' houses, and that the house generated in the bottom right corner of the Dream Pal map is the player's Game Pal. However, I only have two Game Pals, and I have never seen either of them in that slot, and the only people I ever see there are randoms. Also, I can visit the houses of the random people who visit my house. In fact, Game Pals have no affect on the Dream World at all; Game Pals belong on the Pokémon Global Link page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, a bit of an assumption on my part since I have to many people on my Pal Pad to remember everyone. Also, I forgot about the mat. Just fix it :D [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 11:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::Used to be that Game Pals did turn up in the bottom right slot, when they showed up in every slot in the old Japanese-only version, but yeah now it seems you can't visit Game Pals at all (unless they're also Dream Pals, I've heard). [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 15:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

"Upon entering the Island of Dreams a certain number of times, players will start to find nothing on the island" is that until the next visit or forever? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 14:23, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Until the next visit. Players can perform about 4-5 runs through the Island of Dreams before they can no longer encounter Pokémon or items, and then upon the next Game Sync, they can start fresh. [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:51, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Breeding Mechanics ==

Regarding the Breeding Mechanics section, it mentions passing on the Hidden Ability of a female Dream World Pokémon, but makes no mention of male Pokémon and the Dream World-only moves. Can these be passed on via breeding at all, or are they exclusive only to Pokémon that are actually found in the Dream World? Either way, should a note of that be made in the article? [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 15:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:If they're egg moves, yes, they can. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 23:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

== Find the missing <Pokémon>! ==

The game we're calling "Find the missing <Pokémon>!" is called "Pokémon Seek" when you fail. Should we change the section header? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:18, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:In fact, "Let's play with a Flying Pokémon!" is named "Sky Race" when the Pokémon request that you play it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::They all have shorter snappier names, I noticed them looking through the .xml files, but since they weren't shown anywhere near as prominent as the current titles I didn't add them. I'll go check what they were. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 18:51, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::Here they are:
<string id="y_ag_1">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Ice Cream Scoop.</string>
<string id="y_ag_3">I'm sorry you didn't complete the Sky Race.</string>
<string id="y_ag_5">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Pokémon Seek.</string>
<string id="y_ag_7">I'm sorry you didn't succeed at Wailord's Water Spout.</string>
::Also, I have access to the Dream World text in all seven languages, so if you want any worldwide names of anything, just let me know what on my talkpage. One notable exception however is Décor. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 19:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I think that we should use those names, as they seem to be the actual names of the games, whereas the ones we are currently using are just sentences. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

== Score ==

Is it yet known whether the Score for your Mini-game completions go to anything? Like a score board, high scores, something? It currently feels too shallow to bother putting a score to your performance. Just need to hit the Target Line then stop is really it...{{unsigned|PKMN Soldier Berlioz}}
:Well I know for a fact it goes towards your Dream Points. As for a high score board, I don't know. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure it affects the moves of your Pokémon. If you perform poorly, it only has common moves; if you perform well, it has the more common special move; if you perform very well, it has the rarer special move. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I wish there were a better way to test this. My first few days, I did pretty horribly in all of the mini-games (just barely passing the target but with low scores) and I still got Pokémon that knew their special moves. Conversely, I've done really well in some minigames (>60,000 points) and only ever seemed to manage to get Pokémon with their regular moves. I have a feeling the "scoring better gives better odds of special moves" thing is more rumor than fact, but other than gathering a large data pool of resulting Pokémon from really good scores versus really bad scores, I'm not really sure how to prove it. (And even then, it would depend on whether the amount of Pokémon with special moves after obtaining high scores is actually statistically significant enough to determine the scoring to be the cause...) [[User:Ndoto|Ndoto]] 14:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm as certain as I can be that the score affects whether the pokemon gets a heart icon after the game. Whether the heart icon is directly connected to special moves is a different issue, and I don't even remember which moves to be looking for. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 16:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon to the Mini-game ==

I've obtained enough data to believe without a shadow of a doubt that every Pokémon has its own mini-game assigned to it. ex. Lickitung is always doing a Pokémon Search. I'll begin adding them as I see them. [[User:PKMN Soldier Berlioz|PKMN Soldier Berlioz]] 04:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:Doesn't gender also play a role? I recall hearing that you can (sometimes? always?) determine the gender of a Pokémon by the ganme you're asked to play. [[User:Bikini Miltank|Bikini Miltank]] 04:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
::I've gotten the same Pokémon to do all sorts of different games. I don't keep track of it though. But I'll keep an eye out. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Right. Here's a list of the main forest ones I made back from the Japanese Dream World.
:::Key: Game: Pokemon which want this gameGen/der.
:::Serve: 161M/F, 174M/F, 83M/F, 403M/F, 270'''F''', 399M/F.
:::Search: 191M/F, 187M/(and probably F), 77M/(and probably F), 179M/F, 108M/F, 115F.
:::Bounce: 43M/F, 69M/F, 114M/F, 276M/F, 270'''M''', 283M/F.
:::Fly: 84M/F, 32M/29F, 234M/F, 261M/F, 19M/F, 102M/F.
:::I haven't investigated any of the other areas in the same depth though, and don't know if it has changed for the international site.{{unsigned|bluesun}}

Talk:Thief (move)

2011-04-16T12:58:07Z

PLA: /* Wild pokemon's held items. */

What happens if I use Thief on a Wi-Fi battle? Do I keep my opponent's Pokémon Item? And can I use it after the battle? [[User:Portuguese Old Man|Portuguese Old Man]] 16:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think you can keep it, as I believe items reset state after battle to prevent loss of rare items and such. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

what if you knock out the pokemon with this attack, do you still get the item that the foe was holding?[[User:Darkcloud1111|Darkcloud1111]] 08:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)Darkcloud1111
:Yes, I tried this at Rubin and Gold-Edition. It would be nice to have a list here, which thing you can steal where. I think this is also important for the [[Trick_(move)]] and the [[Covet_(move)]]. I like to make a list of items, which can be stolen and how great is the rate. I know some things so fare: Slowpoke: about 5% rate for getting a king-stone at Gold-edition and at rubin you get:
Numel, Vulpix: RAWST BERRY (about 80% ?)
Sandscrew: Quick Claw (rate probably under 10% about 10 killed and 1 get)
Linoone (wild) , Picatchu (from Trainer): Oran Berry (about 50% ?),
Linoone: Sitrus Berry (about or under 10%)
Duskull: Spell Tag (about 10% ...so fare 30 killed 3 get)
Spinda, Whismur: CHESTO BERRY (probably less then 10% killed lots, got one)
----[[User:Blablubbb|Blablubbb]] 11:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Will Thief work against an NPC? Like if I were to steal Red's Pikachu's Light Ball? --[[User:Fsilone90|Fsilone90]] 04:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

== Gen IV ==

The article doesn't mention the certainty of stealing a held item in Gen IV. Is it the same as Gen III, or do we not know? [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 00:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

== Success rate of Thief ==

Where's the source for that? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 16:10, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== Wild pokemon's held items. ==

Would it be useful to create a page to compile them all in a list? As far as I know, you still have to go to each pokemon's page to check. For pre-V generations, the page could list notable NPCs with held items as well. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 11:15, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:[[List of Pokémon by wild held item]], I think the name needs to be changed though, it's too hard to find. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 11:22, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
::If anything, make redirects to it rather than move it. Regardless, it's one of those pages you are linked to rather than search for, due to being a list. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:35, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:::I see! I went looking at [[Held Item]], but somehow I missed the link under See Also. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 12:58, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Thief (move)

2011-04-16T11:15:46Z

PLA: /* Wild pokemon's held items. */ new section

Talk:Entralink

2011-04-15T08:16:44Z

PLA: /* Deepest Clearing */ new section

==Name origin==
Isn't "Entralink" some kind of company name already? And what the heck is it supposed to mean, anyway? I thought localisation was to make things easier to understand. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:[http://www.entralink.net/ It seems that it is a company], but so is [http://www.excadrill.com/ ExcaDrill]. I don't know where entra- comes from, but this is a forums discussion. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:18, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:: I see. I thought place names and pokemon names would be treated the same. Fair enough. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I guess you could include a name origin section, but I find it better to discuss name origins on the forums, then add it when it's agreed on. If someone has a suggestion for "entra-", you could probably put it here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:::: Good point. My best guess is because it's in the middle of the region, but it's a bit of a stretch. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Well the Hilink contains the 'Hairu Tree', where 'hairu' can mean to enter, ('deru' in Deru Sphere is respectively, exit) so I guess it got simplified from that. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== Entree ==

Does anyone have anymore information on the Entree, e.g. the levels pass powers are unlocked at, max lvl, etc. ?[[User:Inuichi|Inuichi]] 05:47, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

== Entralink draws inspiration from the Tokyo Imperial Palace. ==

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:46, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

The article doesn't explain how you connect with others in entralink. Me and my friend went to the entralink, both at the same time, when we stand on the bridges connecting worlds it keeps saying that it searches for other worlds. then we tried to connect when one of us stood in the entree forest, while the other one stood on the bridge, when we did that, it said connecting to friends world, please wait a moment, but it stopped trying to connect after a moment.

We would really want to know how to do it, as our white forests aren't that big. ♢ [[User:DeadUniverse|DeadUniverse]] [[User talk:DeadUniverse|Hello!]] ♢ 14:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:I actually did this today. One of you has to be in the normal world, at one of the Cities/Towns or Routes surrounding the Enralink. The other player must go into the Entralink to connect and enter the other player's world. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I have a question about this as well, actually. I've read something that seemed to suggest that a player of Black Version could catch Pokémon from White Forest if they did the Entralink with White Version. But a)I haven't been able to find any wild Pokemon in the grass while doing a mission in another world and b)I don't think there's a way to go into another player's world except during a mission. None of the resources I use (mainly Serebii and Bulbapedia) shed any light on the subject. Is there a way to encounter wild Pokémon in another world, or am I mistaken? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 18:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:You can't catch Pokémon in someone else's world. Also, you don't have to be in a mission to visit someone else's world, after having done the first mission you can tap the hexagons to warp straight after entering their world. There does seem to be a rough time limit of five minutes though. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 21:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Parallel Requirements (Possibly needs reformatting) ==

After collecting data from both games, I found Pass Powers whose level requirement is different in both games. The most obvious conflict is Capture Power. I found that it required White rather than Black Entralink levels. Another occured when I checked my Black version to find that Exp Point Power ↑↑ only required Lv 2 Black as opposed to the pre-existing requirement of 13. I figured that it might be from White if such a difference existed.

As well, Powers such as HP Restoring Power and Exp. Point Power in their first rank were given at the start. I think that they should be denoted as being available to start rather than looking incomplete. I'd request other people to help and sort out these requirements across the different versions. After realizing the differences, I've inserted the name of the version in brackets in which the requirement is sure to apply (from testing).

There should be 2 separate columns, one for white and one for black. I cannot sort them out myself because of ambiguity over which requirement was from which. Some requirements may even apply for both versions. But as of now, I don't know for sure. [[User:Galvantula|Galvantula]] 00:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

:i'm playing white, so all my(the initial) requirements are from white. ---> '''[[User:AquaDragon|{{color|6890F0|Aqua}}]][[User_talk:AquaDragon|{{color|7038F8|Dragon}}]]''' 01:10, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

== Deepest Clearing ==

What's known about it? How is a pokemon "moved to the Deepest Clearing", and what's the effect? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 08:16, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Autotomize (move)

2011-03-11T23:59:06Z

PLA: /* Also */

== Really a variation of acid armor? ==

I mean, it also decreases the user's weight. --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 21:17, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

== Really-ier? ==

Now it is related to Iron Defense? Other than being Steel and affecting stats, they seem nothing alike.
Shouldn't this be in its own category, especially since [to my knowledge] it is the only weight-lowering move?
[[User:DwarfWoot|DwarfWoot]] 19:55, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
: Well, it's certainly more like Iron Defense than Acid Armor, PP considered. Keep in mind also that they don't affect stats in just any way, but raise one stat two stages. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 23:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

== Also ==

Wouldn't this increase damage taken from [[Heat Crash]] and other moves like it?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 23:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Yep. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 23:59, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Relocator

2011-02-25T09:23:59Z

PLA: /* Fateful Encounter flags */

== Literal Translation of Phrases ==

Does anyone object to me adding a literal translation of the Japanese phrases? Here's what I have:
{{tt|みんな|Everyone}} {{tt|ハッピー|Happy}} {{tt|かんたん|Wonder}} {{tt|つうしん|Communication}} [[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 01:09, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
:Leaving it as is is probably the best. After all, Japanese players wouldn't have any need for romanization or translation, and once the English release is out it will be different. --[[User:Jda95|'''jda''']][[User talk:Jda95|'''95''']] 01:12, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

== Fateful Encounter flags ==

Has anyone checked if the Transfer Machine is necessary, or merely convenient, for encounters? Does it work at all with the PokeShifter? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 08:54, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:The Crown Beasts and Celebi can be transfered via PokéTransfer as well, with the Relocator being for mere convenience. However, the Lock Capsule item, which can be transferred via Relocator, can not be transferred via PokéTransfer, as the PokéTransfer can only transfer Pokémon.--'''[[User:Trickyb|Tricky]][[User Talk:Trickyb|B]] 01:57, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Ah, excellent. Thank you. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:23, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== Transfer Machine's English Name ==

So I just downloaded Celebi from GameStop, and I saw the guide to what happens when you transfer Celebi over to Black and White via Transfer Machine. However, it confirmed its English name as the Relocator. --'''[[User:Trickyb|Tricky]][[User Talk:Trickyb|B]] 01:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
:You wouldn't possibly have access to a picture of the text in the leaflet? [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 01:47, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
::If you are asking if I can scan it, then no I can't. But it does show the Transfer Machine being called the Relocator in the screenshot that shows Celebi being transfered. --'''[[User:Trickyb|Tricky]][[User Talk:Trickyb|B]] 05:33, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Here's an Apple Photo Booth pic: http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr12/TorchicBlaziken/Photo123.jpg?t=1298497393 [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 21:45, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

== Berries ==

The article says that the event berries that came with the shiny gerbils and Celebi must be removed. But must they? I heard rumors that they are allowed to hold the berries they came with. I've never been able to get a definite, straight answer for this, and if this rumor is true, such information would be invaluable within the article. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:21, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:Well, I'm not 100% sure on this one, but I highly doubt that you can transfer items other than the Lock Capsule, as to prevent Generation IV items not in Black and White's data from getting into the game. --'''[[User:Trickyb|Tricky]][[User Talk:Trickyb|B]] 01:57, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Relocator

2011-02-21T08:54:53Z

PLA: /* Fateful Encounter flags */ new section

Talk:Pressure (ability)

2011-02-03T10:55:01Z

PLA: /* Pressure */

Okay, so if Origin Form Giratina has a different ability than Pressure... should Giratina be on the list of dual-ability or stay as single-ability while the Origin Form has single ability on the other side of the coin? And what IS OF's ability? Levitate? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Unless they release that information specifically, there's no real way of knowing until we get the game, is there? I don't think it's necessary to make a decision until then. However, I do think we should treat them as two separate single-ability Pokémon, assuming they have different abilities. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 22:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Double Battle ==

As the page makes no note of this, I have to ask, what happens if, in a Double Battle, both opponents have the Pressure ability? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 06:30, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Pressure ==

Does this ability effect on status move?While I was training my suicune.I use it battle with cynthia's spiritomb.When I use calm mind it reduce only 1pp insted of 2 but bubblebeam still reduce 2.Does it because both poemon has pressure?[[User:Meearaimeng|Meearaimeng]] 10:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
: Interesting. Maybe personal effects are exempt. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 10:55, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Entralink

2011-01-20T09:32:41Z

PLA: /* Name origin */

Talk:Entralink

2011-01-20T09:25:40Z

PLA:

Isn't "Entralink" some kind of company name already? And what the heck is it supposed to mean, anyway? I thought localisation was to make things easier to understand. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:[http://www.entralink.net/ It seems that it is a company], but so is [http://www.excadrill.com/ ExcaDrill]. I don't know where entra- comes from, but this is a forums discussion. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:18, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:: I see. I thought place names and pokemon names would be treated the same. Fair enough. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Entralink

2011-01-20T09:12:25Z

PLA: Created page with "Isn't "Entralink" some kind of company name already? And what the heck is it supposed to mean, anyway? I thought localisation was to make things easier to understand. ~~~~"

Talk:Rematch

2011-01-18T18:34:33Z

PLA: /* Gen V */ new section

Every Gym leader you can re-match has been linked to this page (every gym leader except Wallace (Hoenn) and Ginovachni (Kanto) can be re-matched. Now then, lets get on with the Elite 4 and the Rivals... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 19:31, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:Elite 4 done. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 19:53, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

== first ==

Wasn't this in the games as early as Red and Green? After you defeated the E4 you could battle them again and again. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:55, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:That is good point. Lets add it! Something like:

===Elite 4 and Champ===

In all games so far (and probably in the future, soon to be confermed) the elite 4 and champ have been battleable again and again. Sometimes, after a Checkpoint in the game, they gat higher leveled pokémon.

[[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 12:59, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gym Leader phone numbers ==

The prerequisites listed for getting HGSS Gym Leaders' phone numbers aren't entirely correct; both Sabrina's number and Janine's number can be obtained before getting all 16 badges. The [[Pokégear]] page also says that Erika's number can be obtained before defeating Blue, but my experience seems to suggest otherwise. I'd correct this page, but I'm not sure what the best way to do it is. --[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 15:13, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

:Oops, I missed out that detail when doing the table :P I actually copied from the Pokégear table but just changed the format so it looked more presentable. Anyway, the table is slightly changed to reflect that detail now. If there isn't a need for 16 badges to obtain Erika's number, feel free to change it, though i did cross-reference the [[Appendix:HeartGold_and_SoulSilver_walkthrough/Kanto_Gym_Leader_rematches|Appendix]]. :) ---> '''[[User:AquaDragon|{{color|6890F0|Aqua}}]][[User_talk:AquaDragon|{{color|7038F8|Dragon}}]]''' 02:42, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== Error with one of the screenshots ==

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/2/2e/Trainercafe.png/230px-Trainercafe.png

This isn't how it really looks in Platinum. The trainers are supposed to be more darker in the buidling, where in this screenshot they appear to be who they are in the overworld during the day. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:51, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

:This picture was taken from the article [[Battleground]]. I'd replace the image with a better one if i could. Anyways it looks like it was taken from [http://www.serebii.net/platinum/toptrainercafe.shtml seribii]. ---> '''[[User:AquaDragon|{{color|6890F0|Aqua}}]][[User_talk:AquaDragon|{{color|7038F8|Dragon}}]]''' 03:52, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Gen V ==

So, still haven't heard anything on Black and White. Back to only Elite 4 + champ again, or what? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 18:34, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Genesect (Pokémon)

2011-01-17T17:29:56Z

PLA: /* Evolution? */

== Can this be removed? ==

I can't stress this enough Just because somthing looks simmilar to somthing else does not say anything about it's origin. Can the part about the Napalm man be removed? It is speculation and therfore does not belong in the origin section, unless there is evidence to support it (If some is found please tell me what it is). --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 00:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Last of National Dex Trivia==
I noticed this and thought it would be good trivia:
*"Genesect is the only Pokémon that was at one point the final Pokémon in the National Dex that could not be a {{type|Psychic}}."
Mew, Celebi, Deoxys, and Arceus holding a Mind Plate for the record. Also, Dennis. [[User:Yurtablemoron|Yurtablemoron]] 11:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Genesect: Mewtwo of Gen V ==

I got a lot of hunches on this pokemon being artificially created by Team Plasma. There are some reasons why: First, both are being developed as the most strongest pokemon created by science. Second, they originated from the remains of a extinct pokemon (Mewtwo originated from a fossilized hair of Mew and Genesect originated from a bug-like fossil). Third, both villainous group shares the same goal on making them the strongest pokemon ever created to rule the world. And fourth, both of them escaped for unknown reasons in the games. But I know there are more to this relation, somehow....
[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] 02:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Uh like what? Lots of Gen V Pokémon have similarities. Doesn't mean they're related. Also, Mewtwo being created by Team Rocket isn't confirmed to be canon in the games. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 02:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::It's not confirmed because it isn't true. Mr. Fuji and Blaine weren't a part of TR in the games [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Note that the Pokédex entry says RE-constructed meaning that it probably wasn't created by team plasma in the first place, probably created by some anciant race or the monarchy. Still it is unlikely that it has any relation to any of the other Pokémon. --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 04:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Origin of Genesect? ==

Maybe it's a plural/singular grammatical issue, but the article says that

"Genesect may be generally based on the giant insects of the Paleozoic era, although its Steel-type features give it a somewhat robotic appearance. It has existed for 300 million years, making it as old as the cockroach."

Does "it" refer to "giant insects" or does it refer to Genesect, for if it refers to Genesect, than it's wrong right? --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 02:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:What are you suggesting is wrong? Genesect has existed for 300 million years, it says so in its Black dex entry (which I haven't gotten around to translating and adding yet). I'm not quite sure if that really fits in its origin section, though... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::Hmmm... so what it's saying is that it's had a gun (albeit less powerful) from over 300 million years ago? --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 18:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Is Genesect actualy robotic or part robotic? This may very easily be irelevent to the outcome of it's origin, but it reminds me of Atlatian technology. It was believed that the technology of Atlantis could be used to creat powerful Vehicles, wepons and atomatons. It also says in the Pokédex that it was reconstructed suggesting it was created by someone other than team plasma (althogh I don't know who). --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 19:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::::part robotic [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Could the "others" be the pigmask army form MOTHER 3? They took normal creatures and turned them into cyborgs also knows as chimeras, possibly a reference to Mother 3? could you add this it the trivia section?
[[User:Ghost chimera|Ghost chimera]] 08:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)Ghost chimera
:::::what does Mother 3 have to do with this? Lot's of series do this...sonic the hedgehog for example [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 08:14, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The people who worked on MOTHER 3 also worked on Pokemon, this is why Mewtwo looks like Giygas.
[[User:Ghost chimera|Ghost chimera]] 22:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)Ghost chimera

== Romanization ==

Isn't the Katakana pronounced Genosect (Genosekuto), not Genesect? ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 22:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:From what I understand, Genesect's the name that's been officially trademarked.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
::This should be brought up again as it has not been trademarked Genesect, at least as far as the information available online on the official JP trademark database. Unless someone has a source it should be changed. [[User:Pokejungle|Pokejungle]] 06:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Genesect.com, Keldeo.com, Tsutarja.com, mijumaru.com, pokabu.com. All parked by the same company. Can you drop the romanization issue now? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 06:43, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

==Artwork?==

I was wondering - what will be done for artwork section of the event legendary Pokémon until their official Ken Sugimori art is released? I remember Arceus had fan art until its Sugimori art is revealed, so will Kerudio, Meloetta, and Genesect follow the same route? I'd be happy to provide Sugimori-style artwork for them if that ends up being the case. I know this is probably jumping the gun quite a bit, but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 22:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:Most likely we will get Dream World art. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, I doubt Dream World art will be released before Genesect itself is (what purpose would it have, besides appearing to condone hacking?). And Sugimori art will likely be released at the same time. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Ah, for some reason I completely forgot about Dream World art at the time I was writing that. If it doesn't get Dream World art before its Sugimori art is released, though, I'll still be glad to provide art for it and the other event Legendary Pokémon. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 17:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
::::At the moment at least, Dream World art looks very unlikely, as all of the site's Pokemon listings drop off after #646. There's nothing stopping it being added in an upgrade, but that probably won't be until the official release, which would bring Sugimori Art too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I've seen Sugimori's official art, but It's JPEG, Low quality, little dimensions and isn't all that good. There's no good images of Genesect you can find right now. - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 15:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Nevermind, it wasn't actually Sugimori artwork. Probably Fan art. - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 20:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
:The piece I offer to use in this article is [http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/351/a/6/genosect_v_3_by_xous54-d352z0x.png[this one]]. I'd be able to crop it down to the non-shining version and remove my watermarks should it be found acceptable. (I can also supply a full-size version if necessary.) And, as I mentioned earlier, I could supply artwork for the two formes of Meloetta and artwork for Keldeo to serve as placeholders until their official art is revealed. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 03:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Trade? ==

In the obtaining section of the page, it says Genesect is only available by trading. What does this mean?—[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 11:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:It's default for unobtainable Pokémon, it should be changed.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 11:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::No, it shouldn't. For Pokémon with no in-game location, it should just say trade. Events don't count unless they give access to an in-game location. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Dennis ==

I heard almost everyone at YouTUBE giving Genosect the nickname Dennis due to the confusion caused with Geechisu's battle music. Prior to the reveal it was Geechisu's theme instead of Genesect's theme everybody called it Dennis due to the chorus in the track. Not sure if alot of people still refer to him as such now but could we atleast mention it since Tsutarja's page mentioned Smugleaf? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's not even that popular, so no. It's only notable for Smugleaf because the popular video game blog site, Kotaku, made it. - [[User:050294|050294]] 04:12, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, Smugleaf is notable because it was mentioned in [[a:File:NZAU_Magazine_Scan.jpg|an official Nintendo magazine]], ''not'' because it was made by a popular site. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Hm, that was in the UK Nintendo magazine too, so I guess it was in two magazines. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Really? ==

"Genesect is currently the only Pokémon which names a villainous team in its Pokédex entry." The game isn't even out in English, and this is in the article? The pokedex entry doesn't have any English words (obviously, but I wanted to make sure anyway) Are we going by some translation that could potentially be wrong? Or was this ACTUALLY mentioned somewhere? [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Hmmm... not sure whether to withdraw this or not. There's a supposedly correct translation when the mouse is hovered over the pokedex entry, but I'd at least like to know where it came from because I doubt it's correct. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
::It came from {{u|Umeko}} who is a Japanese speaker. She has gone through and translated just about every Pokédex entry that is on Bulbapedia. They're the Japanese entries that are placeholders until the English games come out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:::oh ok thank you for telling me. I was confused when I first saw that bit of trivia. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:45, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

== Evolution? ==

Why are the 5 different images of Genesect shown in the evolution? The cassettes only affect ONE move and a coloring of ONE detail, nothing else. It's no major forme change and is far less impressive than Arceus's formes, doesn't change stats, type or anything like others like Meloetta for instance. I don't think it should be considered to evolve. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 01:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:It isn't evolution, it's forme change, first of all. Second, Genesect's different formes' sprites are needed just as much as Gender differences are. Gender differences don't effect type, moves, stats, or anything! It's just a "small" difference in appearence, but its still used because it makes the article more complete showing what the different genders look like. Just like how showing Genesect's different formes make the page more complete by showing what it looks like when holding specific items. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 02:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, I know the differences between forme, evolution and gender and this is not really making much sense. Look at Arceus, Its coloring changes but so does Its ''type'' when it holds its objects that give it that forme change - Similar to Genesect's cassettes, but a bigger change. Secondly, everyone came after me when I did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Kenhorou_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1234971#Evolution this], a very obvious, but according to all the other users who ganged up on me, unimportant difference, as was also pointed out to me with [[Burungel (Pokémon)|this one]]. Genesect is somewhere between these two cases, but mostly, if ''Arceus'' is not considered evolved through its forme changes, Genesect definitely shouldn't be either. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 02:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I think the only reason Arceus doesn't do it is because of how ludicrously big it would be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The thing is that there is a distinction between Forme differences and gender differences. Other than gender differences, however, every Pokémon with different forms should have the appropriate special displays on their page (even those, such as Genesect, where the minimal difference only lends itself to a larger evobox.)--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::On a somewhat related note, I don't quite like how the form evoboxes are set up. Using Genesect's as an example, it is linear, so it says that only certain forms can change to other ones, which is not true. Genesect holding any kind of cassette (or none at all) can then switch items to any other (or discard it). The evobox should be a big circle with arrows going between all possible combinations. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::: Might be easier to not use any arrows at all. Two-way arrows or simple lines could seem messy if we can instead figure out a placement that doesn't lend itself to strict ordering. How about 3 above and 2 below, or 2 above and 3 below? Or 2, 2, 1, with no Cassette as the odd one out? Or if that circle is really on the table, just place them in it unconnected. But other than that, I definitely see the merit in toticombinatory arrows. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 17:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== Worth Noting? ==

Should it be written that Genesect is the third man made Pokemon after Porygon and Mewtwo. I count Porygon as one since its two evolved forms are simply upgraded versions of it. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 18:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:[[Artificial Pokémon]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:01, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:V-create (move)

2011-01-17T08:30:27Z

PLA: /* Non-sacrificial? */

Does anyone know what to do to Victini the Liberty Garden Island learned of this movement? {{unsigned|Modikisha}}

:This makes no sense. Try running what you have to say through a different online translator, please... To be honest, I can't even tell if this is appropriate for a 'Pedia talk page. Try the forums, maybe? --[[User:Politoed666|''P'' ''o'']] [[User talk:Politoed666|''L'' ''i'']] 20:11, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
::I think what they're trying to say is, "What level does Victini learn this move at?" [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 20:36, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

== Victini and the Black Hero ==

In the trailer, is that move V-Generate that Victini is using? It seems like it to me but we might have to wait for confirmation. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:40, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
:It's V-Generate for sure but as you said and as our policy, we should wait. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 03:30, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Could it possible be based on the roman number V, which also can stand for 5 in English?
[[User:Ghost chimera|Ghost chimera]] 02:12, 19 December 2010 (UTC)Ghost chimera
:It's most likely V for Victory, like Victini. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:19, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

== "It is speculated to be..." ==
Oh, you have ''got'' to be kidding me. By that logic, we shouldn't count Kyurem as one of the [[tao trio]], and yet no-one objects to that (and I suspect someone's going to get funny ideas from that comment...). {{m|Freeze Bolt}} and {{m|Cold Flare}} at least have an excuse, however tenuous it may be (and however much I don't like it, and personally ignore it), but the fact that it's ''very clearly'' in the ''trailer'' takes it right out of speculation category. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 18:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

== Non-sacrificial? ==

In what way is the damage to allies calculated? Are we sure it isn't like recoil damage? Would it matter if it were calculated differently than, say, Surf? [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:01, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure non-sacrificial means it doesn't faint after use. [[User:Tamah|Tamah]] 02:04, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
::Ah, right. Mixed up the terms. Still a bit curious about the calculation, though. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 08:30, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Sewaddle (Pokémon)

2011-01-17T00:11:22Z

PLA: /* Origin */ "Who" is subject; "whom" is object.

{{Unknown Pokémon}}
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Dageki | next=Kurumayu | prevnum=539 | nextnum=541 | type=Bug | type2=Grass }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
jname= クルミル |
tmname=Kurumiru |
size=140px |
art= BW |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|kuru-miru}}}''</sc> |
species=Sewing |
typen=2 |
type1=Bug |
type2=Grass |
abilityn=2|
ability1=Swarm |
ability2=Chlorophyll|
abilityd=Overcoat |
ndex=540 |
udex=046 |
height-ftin=1'00" |
height-m=0.3 |
weight-lbs=5.5 |
weight-kg=2.5 |
egggroupn=1 |
egggroup1=Bug |
eggcycles=15 |
expyield=62 |
lv100exp=1,059,860 |
gendercode=127 |
color=Yellow |
catchrate=255 |
body=Unknown |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
evde=1|
footnotes=}}
([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''クルミル''' ''Kurumiru'') is a {{2t|Bug|Grass}} Pokémon introduced in [[Generation V]].

It [[Evolution|evolves]] into {{p|Kurumayu}} starting at [[level]] 20, which evolves into {{p|Hahakomori}} via [[happiness]].

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Kurumiru is a caterpillar-like Pokémon, with a broad, apparently bitten leaf enfolding its head. Its large, spherical head is a pale shade of tan, with a rounded, vaguely curl-like feature higher up on it. Kurumiru's eyes are dark and circular, with a crescent-shaped, toothed orange snout, and the underside of its face and neck is white. The rest of Kurumiru's body is segmented and green, with three rows of stubby, spherical orange legs.

====Gender differences====

===Special abilities===
This Pokémon produces a thread-like substance from its mouth, which it uses to sew together gnawed up leaves to put together makeshift clothes. This is the reason it is called the "Sewing Pokémon".

===Behavior===

===Habitat===

===Diet===

==In the anime==
A Kurumiru is set to appear in [[BW018]].

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Kurumiru (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Bug
|type2=Grass
|gen=5
|blackdex={{tt|タマゴから　かえると　{{p|Hahakomori|ハハコモリ}}に　ふくを　つくってもらい　きせられる。フードで　あたまを　かくして　ねる。|Hahakomori makes clothes to dress it in once it hatches from its egg. It sleeps with its head covered by its hood.}}
|whitedex={{tt|はっぱを　かみきり　くちから　だす　ねんちゃくいとで　ぬいあわせて　じぶんで　ふくを　つくる　ポケモン。|A Pokémon that makes its own clothes by gnawing up leaves and sewing them together with adhesive thread from its mouth.}}
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Bug|
type2=Grass|
gen=5 |
bwrarity=Common|
bwarea=[[Yaguruma Forest]]|
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===
{{HeldItems
|type=bug|type2=grass
|bw1=Mental Herb|bw1type=In-battle effect item|bw1rar=5|
}}

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Bug|
type2=Grass|
HP=45|
Attack=53|
Defense=70|
SpAtk=40|
SpDef=60|
Speed=42}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=bug|
type2=grass|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 50 |
Flying= 400 |
Poison= 200 |
Ground= 25 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 200 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 400 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 25 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Kurumiru|Bug|Grass|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Tackle|Normal|Physical|50|100|35}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|String Shot|Bug|Status|—|95|40}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|Razor Leaf|Grass|Physical|55|95|25||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Insect Opposition|Bug|Special|30|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Bug Buzz|Bug|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|43|Flail|Normal|Physical|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Kurumiru|Bug|Grass|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Kurumiru|Bug|Grass|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM04|Calm Mind|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM22|SolarBeam|Grass|Special|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM45|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Canon|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM53|Energy Ball|Grass|Special|80|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM70|Flash|Normal|Status|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM76|Insect Opposition|Bug|Special|30|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM85|Dream Eater|Psychic|Special|100|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM86|Grass Knot|Grass|Special|—|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Kurumiru|Bug|Grass|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Kurumiru|Bug|Grass|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|015|Beedrill}}{{MSP|123|Scyther}}{{MSP|212|Scizor}}{{MSP|165|Ledyba}}{{MSP|166|Ledian}}{{MSP|167|Spinarak}} {{MSP|168|Ariados}}{{MSP|283|Surskit}}{{MSP|291|Ninjask}}{{MSP|543|Fushide}}{{MSP|544|Hoiiga}}{{MSP|545|Pendra}} {{MSP|595|Bachuru}}{{MSP|596|Denchura}}{{MSP|617|Agirudaa}}{{MSP|632|Aianto}}|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|123|Scyther}}{{MSP|193|Yanma}}{{MSP|469|Yanmega}}{{MSP|284|Masquerain}}{{MSP|414|Mothim}}|Air Slash|Flying|Special|75|95|20|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|165|Ledyba}}{{MSP|166|Ledian}}{{MSP|283|Surskit}}{{MSP|291|Ninjask}}{{MSP|545|Pendra}}|Baton Pass|Normal|Status|—|—|40|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|414|Mothim}}|Camouflage|Normal|Status|—|—|20|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|617|Agirudaa}}|Me First|Normal|Status|—|—|20|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|290|Nincada}}{{MSP|291|Ninjask}}|Mind Reader|Normal|Status|—|—|5|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|123|Scyther}}{{MSP|212|Scizor}}|Razor Wind|Normal|Special|80|100|10|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|193|Yanma}}{{MSP|469|Yanmega}}{{MSP|207|Gligar}}{{MSP|472|Gliscor}}{{MSP|291|Ninjask}}{{MSP|329|Vibrava}} {{MSP|330|Flygon}}{{MSP|402|Kricketune}}{{MSP|543|Fushide}}{{MSP|544|Hoiiga}}{{MSP|545|Pendra}}{{MSP|595|Bachuru}} {{MSP|596|Denchura}}|Screech|Normal|Status|—|85|40|}}
{{learnlist/breed5|{{MSP|012|Butterfree}}{{MSP|049|Venomoth}}{{MSP|165|Ledyba}}{{MSP|166|Ledian}}{{MSP|267|Beautifly}}{{MSP|269|Dustox}} {{MSP|284|Masquerain}}{{MSP|414|Mothim}}{{MSP|637|Ulgamoth}}|Silver Wind|Bug|Special|60|100|5||||'''}}{{learnlist/breedf|Kurumiru|Bug|Grass|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Kurumiru|bug|grass|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5null}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Kurumiru|bug|grass|5|5}}

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=Normal
|sprite1=540
|name1=Kurumiru
|type1-1=Bug
|type2-1=Grass
|evotype1=Level
|level1=20
|sprite2=541
|name2=Kurumayu
|type1-2=Bug
|type2-2=Grass
|evotype2=Happiness
|sprite3=542
|name3=Hahakomori
|type1-3=Bug
|type2-3=Grass
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite |
type=bug |
type2=grass |
gen=5 |
gender=none |
name=Kurumiru |
ndex=540 |
}}

==Trivia==
* Kurumiru was first seen after it was leaked on Yahoo's official Pokémon site. It was later released in the September issue of CoroCoro.

===Origin===
Kurumiru is based on the {{wp|caterpillar}} of the {{wp|Epargyreus clarus}}, who fold leaves over themselves for shelter and also produce silk.

====Name origin====


{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Dageki | next=Kurumayu | prevnum=539 | nextnum=541 | type=Bug | type2=Grass }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}



[[fr:Kurumiru]]
[[ja:クルミル]]

Talk:In-battle effect item

2011-01-16T22:01:50Z

PLA: /* Metronome (item) */

== Iron Ball ==

Why is there a point of having an '''Iron Ball'''? The only thing that makes it useful is that it gives the most power on the [[move]] {{m|Fling}}... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 12:26, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:{{m|Trick}} also combos nicely with it. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::You could have the Pokémon holding it use {{m|Trick Room}} and then the {{stat|Speed}} cut would become a good thing. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, it just seems like a pointless object. Never mind. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 19:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:Tesh, you're only thinking of beneficial effects from holding an item. Several held items that were added in Generation IV don't actually benefit the Pokémon holding it, but are meant to be used with other strategies that weren't possible with the previous Generations. Examples:
* Toxic Orb/Flame Orb- These items don't benefit the Pokémon that holds it, but they are useful when combined with certain moves (Fling, Trick, and Switcheroo in particular) and Abilities (Guts (with Toxic Orb at least), Magic Guard (the Pokémon won't take damage from the effect, so they can use a powered-up Facade without taking excessive damage), and Klutz).
* Iron Ball- Iron Ball can be Flung to cause massive damage, or it can be Switcheroo'd/Tricked onto an opponent in order to weaken them (especially helpful against a Flying-type or a Levitating opponent). A Lopunny or Buneary with Klutz can make the most of these tricks, since they won't suffer from the reduced speed.
* Lagging Tail- Trick or Switcheroo will put this on your opponent, making them move last every turn. Very helpful if your Pokémon is extremely slow.
:Don't judge an item just by what it does; judge it by what you can do with it. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, thanks I kind of figured that out after lol. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 16:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Black Sludge ==
I've always wondered, is there any advantage to using '''Black Sludge''' on a [[Poison-type]] Pokémon as opposed to [[Leftovers]]? [[User:Blink|Blink]] 17:37 16 August 2007 (GMT)
:You could use Trick or Switcheroo. Or, if the opponent uses Thief, Covet, Trick, or Switcheroo on the first turn because they don't know what you're holding, and they aren't a Poison-type, they will get hurt. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 16:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Or, if you're required to give each Pokémon a different hold item, it's the equivalent of being able to use 2 Leftovers. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 00:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I see. I thought it might restore a little more health or something.
::::It helps in places like the Battle Tower. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 16:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Choice Specs ==

...the man gives out the Choice Specs during the morning, right? Because I just went to him and he talked about BlackGlasses instead. Is 10:35 REALLY not considered morning, or does the time period for BlackGlasses-giveaway happens to be at 10?
...on the other hand, when does the Specs giveaway start and end? {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 16:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
:The Choice Specs are from 8:00 PM to 3:59 AM, so at night. [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

==Focus Band/Focus Sash==
Do they let you have 1HP left even if you're hit by a OHKO attack, such as Sheer Cold? [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:38, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

:No I think it doesn't work aganst 1 hitKO :D,but mmm I battled in battler frontier of emerald long ago and I couldn't beat, I recall, a Exploud wich was holding this Focus Band, because I kept using it like 5 times IN A ROW I'm freaken not kidding,, how was that posible?? I mean this I'm not jocking it did happen!! I want to know why or what!--[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 17:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

::Focus Sash is one-time, always works on a hit that would bring the Pokémon from full health to death (not Sheer Cold I don't think, but yes, stuff like Psychic on a fighting-type).
::if the Exploud had a Focus Band, that one can trigger multiple times, but it's only got a chance of working. That Exploud probably just got lucky-lucky. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 17:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Focus Sash works against ANY move that would otherwise take out the Pokémon while it has full health. Sheer Cold, and the other 1H-KO moves included, would take it down to 1 HP. Focus Band is just random chance that it will hold against an attack, including the 1H-KO moves again. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:19, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that happened to my oppenent at the Battle Tower, too, but only twice. --Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi 23:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-Hinoarashi]]

== Wide Lens ==

How much does it raise accuracy by? 20%? 30%? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

20% [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 22:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:So DynamicPunch has 70% with it? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 23:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Nope, 60% . It's a 20% increase. (50 / 10 = 5. 5 × 2 = 10. 50 + 10 = 60%) [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 16:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

:Is that taken into account before or after an ability?(i.e. Compoundeyes)
::I'm not sure about that, but I'm guessing that it is done before an ability. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] [[Image:486MS.png|RAWR!!]] 16:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I would think after. Cause it is like an 'extra' multiplier (or whatever you would call it). [[User:Sivart345|--Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 01:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== White Herb ==

Does a white herb, after curing status, get consumed, or is it reusable? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 18:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:It is consumed. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:05, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::But in PBR and stuff like it (Battle Tower, so on) it returns. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 07:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Does that mean that things like it, Focus Sash and the like, when used in a PvP battle return after the battle is over, they're not gone for good? --[[User:Skipperxc|skipperxc]] ''([[User talk:Skipperxc|talk]])'' 22:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Question: if you were to raise your special attack, followed by overheat (were that possible) would it restore to 0, or to +1 on special attack? [[User:Zappyton|Zappyton]] 11:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

== Leftovers under sleeping Snorlax in FR/LG. ==

Do you need to find this before the Snorlax wakes up?

I've also heard of items being under certain key people in the game, but I've never found them in FR or LG. And I'm an [[Itemfinder]] fiend, running it nearly constantly. [[User:Machinedramon|Machinedramon]] 19:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
There's a Soothe Bell under where Mr. Fuji was in Pokémon Tower, and a Macho Brace where Giovanni was standing in the gym. And a Sacred Ash under where Ho-Oh perched. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 19:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:You have to stand right where they were standing and use the Itemfinder for it to work; the items won't show up AT ALL if you're not standing on that exact spot. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

== EXP. Share ==

If you have 2 exp.shares in your party do they get 1/3 of the exp or do they both get 1/2?
ie. would it be practical to have 5 exp.share's if your first one can ohko almost all? [[User:Keirou|Keirou]] 01:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:If two Pokémon are holding Exp. Shares, the experience is divided in thirds, then distributed 1/3 to one holder, 1/3 to the other, and the remaining 1/3 is distributed among whoever battled. Having 5 of your Pokémon hold Exp. Shares would be the equivalent of having an Exp. All. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, after experimenting today in Diamond, I discovered that 2 Exp. Shares splits so the pokemon who fought get half, and the sharers get a quarter each. I'll be experimenting with three as soon as I pick it up. [[User:Salix|Salix]] 06:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::It appears that the Exp. Sharers get half the exp and the battlers get the other half, or at least in Diamond. [[User:Salix|Salix]] 03:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Didn't this split exp evenly between ALL party pokemon in gen1? If memory serves me, it did, and I think that's worth noting. [[User:Mageslayer|Mageslayer]] 14:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:That was the EXP. ALL. Different item. Similar effect. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== Smoke Ball ==

Does it work on Pokémon with ability such as shadow tag or arena trap or of the Pokémon used mean look before you decide to press run? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 03:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 16:37, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Focus Band AND Smoke Ball AND Focus Sash ==
For Focus Band, does it work even when your HP is less than full (i.e. 1 HP can still survive)? if so, what are the odds?
For Smoke Ball, how do you use it in DP? It doesn't show up in any of the 4 item menus during battle.
For Focus Sash, does it FULLY disappear after use (a one-battle deal, please return to the battle tower for another)? -- Sk8torchic
:1. Yes, but I don't know the odds, 2. Make your Pokémon hold it, 3. yes, but you can also get it at the route near Pal Park. Hope I helped!--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 19:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

== Amulet Coin ==

If you have multiple Amulet Coins, would you gain 4 times the amount (for 2), and etc.? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

:No, as far as I can tell, multiple Amulet Coins and Luck Incenses do not stack. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Black Sludge.... Again ==

Will Black Sludge hurt Steel types too, or only Pokémon who are affected by Poison moves? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:It will affect any non-Poison-type Pokémon, Steels included. The description does say ALL other types, but for accuracy's sake, I tried it on my Empoleon and it still worked. --[[User:Jayc|Jayc]] 08:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

What happend to all the Sprites?
The last time I checked there were Sprites. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|AlienX2008}} ([[User talk:AlienX2008|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AlienX2008|contribs]]) ''
:All better now. And don't forget, sign those comments! — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Underground Appearance ==

For those items that appear underground, would it be possible to get images of those items as found in the underground? They could be placed at the bottom of the page if that is convenient.[[User:Bob.com bob|Bob.com bob]] 00:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:And...what would be the point of that exactly??? That would be like saying 'get a sprite of a Pokémon, but while it's in a battle.' --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 00:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
well, you already have sprites of the plates, rare bone, fossils, odd keystone, shards, evolutionary stones, and several other objects, but not of any of these items, at least none that i have found. -- [[User:Bob.com bob|Bob.com bob]] 01:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, well firstly, I totally misread your initial comment; my apologizes. And secondly, it is to my understanding that none of the items on this page can be found Underground, though I may be mistaken... --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Everything under Condition Boosters and then the Iron Ball can be found in the Underground. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:12, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::If someone can find them and upload them: do it. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Grip Claw cannot be found in the Underground, so don't freak out when you can't find the Underground sprite for it. [[User:Bob.com bob|Bob.com bob]] 05:03, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I found them, I just don't know what do. Like, a table, or something like that?

[[Image:Mine Green Shard.png]] [[Image:Mine Iron Ball.png]] *insert other sprites here*

The only difference is that the files are "Mine" instead of "Bag". [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:45, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

:you could look on the source for other pages that have such images (like evolutionary stones or any of the fossils) for guidance if you don't know what to do with the pictures. Also, if you have sprites for underground items found on other pages it would be nice if you could upload to there, as well. -- [[User:Bob.com bob|Bob.com bob]] 04:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::No, I meant that I don't know if we should use a table for them, or just have them floating in the middle of nowhere at the bottom of the page. And I know the Quick Claw isn't down there, I meant everything in the Condition Booster section, and also the Iron Ball, can be found down there. And we can't put the fossils or stones on the page, because those don't have any in-battle effects. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 15:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::What I'd think best? Put the Underground sprites on [[the Underground]]'s page. We don't need them floating all over the place. Ideally, even, they'd be backgrounds with the charts over them... but I dunno if we can do that... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I did not say ''Quick'' Claw, I said ''Grip'' Claw, which is under the condition boosters section. Also, I believe that a table would probably be the best way to go if you were to put the sprites on this page, but I think it would be great to put all the items on [[the Underground]] page, too. [[User:Bob.com bob|Bob.com bob]] 16:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::My bad. And I didn't see the Grip Claw under that section. As for the tables, it would probably work better on the Underground's page now that I think about it. All of the items found there link to it anyways. I'll see what I can do. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
So yeah. I'm not happy right now. I had JUST finished making it, and hit preview, and then Bulbapedia dies. After 30 freakin minutes doing the stupid thing.... now I have to redo it. This time I'll save the stuff on a word document. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
:Is there a sprite for the Oval Stone, too? I did not see it in the table of items, but it is in the table of item shapes. Or is the shape table wrong? -- [[User:Bob.com bob|Bob.com bob]] 23:48, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
::That's why I asked for people to add anything I missed. It took me 30 minutes to redo it, and I did the stones by memory. I'll go add it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Lucky Egg ==

Didn't Lucky Egg doubled Exp before Generation IV? Doesn't this deserve a mention? [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 14:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:No. It's like a traded Pokémon. They got half of the normal Exp added on to the total gain from the defeated Pokémon. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== F.E.A.R ==

Is it possible to use a focus band in F.E.A.R instead of a focus sash [[User:Vespitomb|User: Vespitomb]] 10:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, but the Focus Band only has a 10% chance of working, although it doesn't require full health to work. In other words, you can use it, but 9 times out of 10 it won't work, making it a pretty useless choice. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 10:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

== Shedinja & Focus Sash ==

How does Focus Sash behave when held by Shedinja? Is it a free one-hit protection? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 12:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. This was discussed elsewhere, actually, and is borderline forummy, but let's chuck it in the article. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 12:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== More Focus Sash ==

It says here that Future Sight and Doom Desire can override the Focus Sash. {{m|Future Sight|Both}} of the moves' {{m|Doom Desire|pages}} says that they can't take out a Pokémon that has a Sash. Why? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== More More Focus Sash/Focus Band ==

Do Focus Band/Focus Sash protect against Explosion/Selfdestruct? [[User:Zesty Cactus|Zesty Cactus]] 02:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
:They protect *against* the "exploding" moves, but doesn't prevent the user from fainting. --[[User:Bbbbbbbbba|Bbbbbbbbba]] 04:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

== Quick Claw ==

Is it consumed after use? The news you cam [i]see[/i] it being used makes me think so, but I wanted to be sure. [[User:Machamp ion|Machamp ion]] 17:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:It is not. — [[User:Tenno Seremel|Tenno Seremel]] 00:02, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Zoom lens ==

The in-game description says it boosts critical hit rate, not accuracy. Possibly by two levels given the timing requirement, unless the in-game is wrong, official nintendo guides have had errors, so. . . [[User:Kendai|~Kendai]] 22:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Shed Shell ==

Explain how this item functions... I'm massively confused on how to use it. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:49, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

:If your Pokémon is trapped by a move, such as Fire Spin, it can escape/switch out. Same thing if the opponent has Shadow Tag or Magnet Pull. I haven't ever used it, but I'm pretty sure it has unlimited uses. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::So that's what it does. The in-game description isn't really helpful, but it makes sense now. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== A Question About Metronome - move + item ==

When Metronome the move is used while holding Metronome the item, does it properly affect the randomly selected move so that by the 11th time the move is used, any attack selected is doing 100% more (double) damage? ––[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 18:29, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:No. Because {{m|Metronome}} calls up a random move, the hold item Metronome would only work if you got the same move twice in a row, which most likely won't happen. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:13, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== "Critical Hit Ratio"(accuracy) ==
This does not make sense. Could someone field-test whether the Zoom Lens boosts one or the other? Thanks--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 02:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:I don't know where that comes from, but the '''in-game''' description says critical hit ratio. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Someone already fixed it...now what about those quotation marks...--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 04:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I did. And I'll get the quotations. Unless the rest of the page is like that. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Right-O!--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 04:07, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== Big Root ==

It can be found on Route 3 according to the article, could someone add it in. I tried but it wouldn't work. {{u|Gallevoir}} 14:24 20 Feburary 2010

Do we know if the Big Root will affect Dream Eater (in any generation)? I can't find positive or negative confirmation of this anywhere. [[User:Delspencerdeltorro|Delspencerdeltorro]] 23:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Turn Alteration ==

I moved Iron Ball from Turn Alteration to Negative Effect on Holder because it doesn't technically alter anything in the priority bracket. It just cuts speed. [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 12:48, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, it makes the holder move last. Unless somebody can prove it doesn't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::Fair enough. I went by the in-game description and what the page listed as the effect. Obviously "Cuts the holder's Speed by 50%" is not a true priority change, but it could be wrong. [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 14:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It does cut the holder's speed (and makes the holder if it's flying type or has levitate vulnerable to ground-type attacks), it's Lagging tail that affects priority. Holding lagging tail will make the pokemon move after one holding iron ball.[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 20:19, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

==Template==

I started putting the items into the templates. As you can tell, it's severely lacking information such a descriptions across generations and sell prices. Sell prices I didn't know, I put as "001". Please feel more than free to correct anything, add anything, or to continue putting things in the template. I'm out of free time for now. I'll get to work again later... [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 14:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:There might be a problem with the change to a template like this. Since the item names are no longer section headers, linking to specific items isn't working because it doesn't find the item name as a section anymore. EG: <nowiki>[[In-battle_effect_item_(section)#Choice_Scarf]]</nowiki> isn't working anymore. [[User:Megaericzero|Megaericzero]] 02:35, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
::It works... try clicking [[In-battle effect item#Choice Scarf|this]]. It works. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 02:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Choice Items ==

Do the effects of the choice items end when the Pokémon holding them switch out? Or, will the Pokémon be forced to use the same chosen move when it switches back in? ~ [[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 07:36, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:The effect ends when the Pokémon is withdrawn. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::Excellent, thanks very much. ~ [[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 07:47, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Amulet Coin held? ==

It says it can be held by wild Machokes in FRLG, [[Machoke#Held items]] says otherwise. Which one is true?--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] 17:31, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

==Life Orb==
Does life orb power up explosion or will it not have any effect? [[User:S Ninja D|S Ninja D]] 15:41, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

==Focus Sash==
If a Shedinja is holding a focus sash, will it then become pretty much invinsible? It only has 1 HP, so any attack tha hits would bring it down from full health to death. Focus sash would make it stay at 1HP, but since this is its full HP, it could be sed again and again. Would this work? --- Migrant
:New comments to the bottom of the page please. Your question has already been answered on this page. Try the section titled ''{{DL|Talk:In-battle effect item|Shedinja & Focus Sash}}''. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== Negative effect items ==

Do these items actuallt benefit the holder in any way, or is the idea to use an item-switching move? [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 05:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:Some abilities are activated when a Pokémon is inflicted with a burn or poison. Some moves are more powerful at a lower priority. Some of those items have additional effects when combined with Fling. There are a range of strategies that can be used, not just using Switcheroo or Trick. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Shed Shell PHaze ==
Does the shed shell bypass traps with PHaze moves? In other words, if I give a [[Skarmory (Pokémon) | Skarmory]] a shed shell, could it use roar or whirlwind to force a Pokémon with the Magnet Pull ability out, or would Skarmory itself have to switch?
:Shed Shell just allows your Pokémon to switch out, regardless of Magnet Pull, or other abilities/moves. As far as I know, Magnet Pull dosen't work that way. It simply prevents opposing Steel types from switching out. You should be able to phaze the Magnet Puller anyway. If you were trying to phaze a {{p|Cradily}} with {{a|Suction Cups}} it wouldn't work if you held the Shed Shell. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Focus Band code. ==

Are there any checks or surprises that explicitly prevent Focus Band from activating an infinite number of times in a row on a lucky day? --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 19:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think there is, but you would have to be seriously lucky for it to occur. I know that it can activate multiple times in the same battle - I once had an opponent saved twice in a row by the Focus Band. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

Ok, here's the deal. All of the Items Introduced prior to Gen.IV games except Berserk Gene, Amulet Coin, and Smoke Ball, ARE purchasable in Pokémon Colosseum's and/or Pokémon XD's [[Mt. Battle]] via [[Poké Coupon|Poké Coupons]], but they are not being mentioned here. I just want to know if it's worth it. -- [[User:SaitoFX|Saito]] [[User talk:SaitoFX|FX]] 21:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Lagging Tail ==

Besides using Switch with this item to give it to your opponent, there are reasons to want YOUR Pokémon to go last. If your Pokémon knows a move like Avalanche or Revenge, they do more damage when your Pokémon is hurt during the current turn. This means they have to go second at least in order to get the bonus damage.
-[[User:KingStarscream|KingStarscream]] 19:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
:That's not helping the article. This is really just forums content. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

== Metronome (item) ==

Does it affect moves such as Outrage? --[[User:Slimmy|Slimmy]] 00:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
: I don't think so, Outrage does not appear in {{cat|Swipe moves}} [[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 20:36, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
:: That, if anything, means that it could work. Swipe moves don't benefit from Metronome with each hit. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 20:42, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Sorry, my obvious mistake. I was thinking about something else when I was writing it ;) [[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 20:44, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
:::: I do that all the time. Like twice this week. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 22:01, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

== Rechargable Battery and Red Card ==

It says they're single-use items. Does "single-use" mean if the affect happens, it won't happen again for the rest of the battle, OR does it mean it's "consumed" and goes away, lost forever? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:58, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
:The general meaning of "single-use" is that they are consumed and gone forever. As far as I'm aware, this has not changed in Gen V (i.e. no one's told me otherwise). —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:58, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
::Then it should be made clear, since "single-use" isn't the same as "consumed," as every other blurb on Gen IV items and older make clear. If they vanish, they should be noted as "consumed," only because if I can express confusion on the aspect, so can other people. If they vanish, they vanish. If they only work once per battle but don't vanish, that needs to be definitively noted, too. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 04:54, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:::In general, consumed things are only consumed if you use them outside of wifi/IR battles or battle frontier/subway/tower etc. You can reuse them as many times as you want there {{unsigned|Pyritie}}

== WHY ==

WHY DID EVERYONE BREAK EVERYTHING.

They're in a currently-Japan-only game! WHY DID YOU NOT INPUT THE JAPANESE NAMES? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:46, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:Japanese names added. Know any other articles that need it? [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 08:03, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

==Cassettes==
I would argue that they deserve their own page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:As long as the Plates have one, it seems consistent. --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:55, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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== Iron Ball ==

Why is there a point of having an '''Iron Ball'''? The only thing that makes it useful is that it gives the most power on the [[move]] {{m|Fling}}... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 12:26, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:{{m|Trick}} also combos nicely with it. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::You could have the Pokémon holding it use {{m|Trick Room}} and then the {{stat|Speed}} cut would become a good thing. [[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, it just seems like a pointless object. Never mind. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 19:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:Tesh, you're only thinking of beneficial effects from holding an item. Several held items that were added in Generation IV don't actually benefit the Pokémon holding it, but are meant to be used with other strategies that weren't possible with the previous Generations. Examples:
* Toxic Orb/Flame Orb- These items don't benefit the Pokémon that holds it, but they are useful when combined with certain moves (Fling, Trick, and Switcheroo in particular) and Abilities (Guts (with Toxic Orb at least), Magic Guard (the Pokémon won't take damage from the effect, so they can use a powered-up Facade without taking excessive damage), and Klutz).
* Iron Ball- Iron Ball can be Flung to cause massive damage, or it can be Switcheroo'd/Tricked onto an opponent in order to weaken them (especially helpful against a Flying-type or a Levitating opponent). A Lopunny or Buneary with Klutz can make the most of these tricks, since they won't suffer from the reduced speed.
* Lagging Tail- Trick or Switcheroo will put this on your opponent, making them move last every turn. Very helpful if your Pokémon is extremely slow.
:Don't judge an item just by what it does; judge it by what you can do with it. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, thanks I kind of figured that out after lol. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 16:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Black Sludge ==
I've always wondered, is there any advantage to using '''Black Sludge''' on a [[Poison-type]] Pokémon as opposed to [[Leftovers]]? [[User:Blink|Blink]] 17:37 16 August 2007 (GMT)
:You could use Trick or Switcheroo. Or, if the opponent uses Thief, Covet, Trick, or Switcheroo on the first turn because they don't know what you're holding, and they aren't a Poison-type, they will get hurt. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 16:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Or, if you're required to give each Pokémon a different hold item, it's the equivalent of being able to use 2 Leftovers. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 00:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I see. I thought it might restore a little more health or something.
::::It helps in places like the Battle Tower. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 16:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Choice Specs ==

...the man gives out the Choice Specs during the morning, right? Because I just went to him and he talked about BlackGlasses instead. Is 10:35 REALLY not considered morning, or does the time period for BlackGlasses-giveaway happens to be at 10?
...on the other hand, when does the Specs giveaway start and end? {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 16:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
:The Choice Specs are from 8:00 PM to 3:59 AM, so at night. [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

==Focus Band/Focus Sash==
Do they let you have 1HP left even if you're hit by a OHKO attack, such as Sheer Cold? [[Image:164sMS.png]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 13:38, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

:No I think it doesn't work aganst 1 hitKO :D,but mmm I battled in battler frontier of emerald long ago and I couldn't beat, I recall, a Exploud wich was holding this Focus Band, because I kept using it like 5 times IN A ROW I'm freaken not kidding,, how was that posible?? I mean this I'm not jocking it did happen!! I want to know why or what!--[[User:YukitoOoO|YukitoOoO]] 17:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

::Focus Sash is one-time, always works on a hit that would bring the Pokémon from full health to death (not Sheer Cold I don't think, but yes, stuff like Psychic on a fighting-type).
::if the Exploud had a Focus Band, that one can trigger multiple times, but it's only got a chance of working. That Exploud probably just got lucky-lucky. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 17:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Focus Sash works against ANY move that would otherwise take out the Pokémon while it has full health. Sheer Cold, and the other 1H-KO moves included, would take it down to 1 HP. Focus Band is just random chance that it will hold against an attack, including the 1H-KO moves again. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:19, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that happened to my oppenent at the Battle Tower, too, but only twice. --Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi 23:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-Hinoarashi]]

== Wide Lens ==

How much does it raise accuracy by? 20%? 30%? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

20% [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 22:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:So DynamicPunch has 70% with it? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 23:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Nope, 60% . It's a 20% increase. (50 / 10 = 5. 5 × 2 = 10. 50 + 10 = 60%) [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 16:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

:Is that taken into account before or after an ability?(i.e. Compoundeyes)
::I'm not sure about that, but I'm guessing that it is done before an ability. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] [[Image:486MS.png|RAWR!!]] 16:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I would think after. Cause it is like an 'extra' multiplier (or whatever you would call it). [[User:Sivart345|--Sivart]][[User talk:Sivart345|3]][[Special:Contributions/Sivart345|4]][[User:Firestorm|'''5''']] 01:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== White Herb ==

Does a white herb, after curing status, get consumed, or is it reusable? [[User:Zapdos|Zapdos]] 18:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:It is consumed. [[User:Tesh|'''TESHIGIGAS''']] 18:05, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::But in PBR and stuff like it (Battle Tower, so on) it returns. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 07:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Does that mean that things like it, Focus Sash and the like, when used in a PvP battle return after the battle is over, they're not gone for good? --[[User:Skipperxc|skipperxc]] ''([[User talk:Skipperxc|talk]])'' 22:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Question: if you were to raise your special attack, followed by overheat (were that possible) would it restore to 0, or to +1 on special attack? [[User:Zappyton|Zappyton]] 11:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

== Leftovers under sleeping Snorlax in FR/LG. ==

Do you need to find this before the Snorlax wakes up?

I've also heard of items being under certain key people in the game, but I've never found them in FR or LG. And I'm an [[Itemfinder]] fiend, running it nearly constantly. [[User:Machinedramon|Machinedramon]] 19:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
There's a Soothe Bell under where Mr. Fuji was in Pokémon Tower, and a Macho Brace where Giovanni was standing in the gym. And a Sacred Ash under where Ho-Oh perched. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 19:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:You have to stand right where they were standing and use the Itemfinder for it to work; the items won't show up AT ALL if you're not standing on that exact spot. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

== EXP. Share ==

If you have 2 exp.shares in your party do they get 1/3 of the exp or do they both get 1/2?
ie. would it be practical to have 5 exp.share's if your first one can ohko almost all? [[User:Keirou|Keirou]] 01:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:If two Pokémon are holding Exp. Shares, the experience is divided in thirds, then distributed 1/3 to one holder, 1/3 to the other, and the remaining 1/3 is distributed among whoever battled. Having 5 of your Pokémon hold Exp. Shares would be the equivalent of having an Exp. All. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, after experimenting today in Diamond, I discovered that 2 Exp. Shares splits so the pokemon who fought get half, and the sharers get a quarter each. I'll be experimenting with three as soon as I pick it up. [[User:Salix|Salix]] 06:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::It appears that the Exp. Sharers get half the exp and the battlers get the other half, or at least in Diamond. [[User:Salix|Salix]] 03:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Didn't this split exp evenly between ALL party pokemon in gen1? If memory serves me, it did, and I think that's worth noting. [[User:Mageslayer|Mageslayer]] 14:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:That was the EXP. ALL. Different item. Similar effect. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

== Smoke Ball ==

Does it work on Pokémon with ability such as shadow tag or arena trap or of the Pokémon used mean look before you decide to press run? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 03:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 16:37, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Focus Band AND Smoke Ball AND Focus Sash ==
For Focus Band, does it work even when your HP is less than full (i.e. 1 HP can still survive)? if so, what are the odds?
For Smoke Ball, how do you use it in DP? It doesn't show up in any of the 4 item menus during battle.
For Focus Sash, does it FULLY disappear after use (a one-battle deal, please return to the battle tower for another)? -- Sk8torchic
:1. Yes, but I don't know the odds, 2. Make your Pokémon hold it, 3. yes, but you can also get it at the route near Pal Park. Hope I helped!--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 19:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

== Amulet Coin ==

If you have multiple Amulet Coins, would you gain 4 times the amount (for 2), and etc.? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

:No, as far as I can tell, multiple Amulet Coins and Luck Incenses do not stack. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Black Sludge.... Again ==

Will Black Sludge hurt Steel types too, or only Pokémon who are affected by Poison moves? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:It will affect any non-Poison-type Pokémon, Steels included. The description does say ALL other types, but for accuracy's sake, I tried it on my Empoleon and it still worked. --[[User:Jayc|Jayc]] 08:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

What happend to all the Sprites?
The last time I checked there were Sprites. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|AlienX2008}} ([[User talk:AlienX2008|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AlienX2008|contribs]]) ''
:All better now. And don't forget, sign those comments! — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 02:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Underground Appearance ==

For those items that appear underground, would it be possible to get images of those items as found in the underground? They could be placed at the bottom of the page if that is convenient.[[User:Bob.com bob|Bob.com bob]] 00:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:And...what would be the point of that exactly??? That would be like saying 'get a sprite of a Pokémon, but while it's in a battle.' --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 00:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
well, you already have sprites of the plates, rare bone, fossils, odd keystone, shards, evolutionary stones, and several other objects, but not of any of these items, at least none that i have found. -- [[User:Bob.com bob|Bob.com bob]] 01:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, well firstly, I totally misread your initial comment; my apologizes. And secondly, it is to my understanding that none of the items on this page can be found Underground, though I may be mistaken... --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 01:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Everything under Condition Boosters and then the Iron Ball can be found in the Underground. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:12, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::If someone can find them and upload them: do it. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Grip Claw cannot be found in the Underground, so don't freak out when you can't find the Underground sprite for it. [[User:Bob.com bob|Bob.com bob]] 05:03, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I found them, I just don't know what do. Like, a table, or something like that?

[[Image:Mine Green Shard.png]] [[Image:Mine Iron Ball.png]] *insert other sprites here*

The only difference is that the files are "Mine" instead of "Bag". [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:45, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

:you could look on the source for other pages that have such images (like evolutionary stones or any of the fossils) for guidance if you don't know what to do with the pictures. Also, if you have sprites for underground items found on other pages it would be nice if you could upload to there, as well. -- [[User:Bob.com bob|Bob.com bob]] 04:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::No, I meant that I don't know if we should use a table for them, or just have them floating in the middle of nowhere at the bottom of the page. And I know the Quick Claw isn't down there, I meant everything in the Condition Booster section, and also the Iron Ball, can be found down there. And we can't put the fossils or stones on the page, because those don't have any in-battle effects. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 15:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::What I'd think best? Put the Underground sprites on [[the Underground]]'s page. We don't need them floating all over the place. Ideally, even, they'd be backgrounds with the charts over them... but I dunno if we can do that... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I did not say ''Quick'' Claw, I said ''Grip'' Claw, which is under the condition boosters section. Also, I believe that a table would probably be the best way to go if you were to put the sprites on this page, but I think it would be great to put all the items on [[the Underground]] page, too. [[User:Bob.com bob|Bob.com bob]] 16:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::My bad. And I didn't see the Grip Claw under that section. As for the tables, it would probably work better on the Underground's page now that I think about it. All of the items found there link to it anyways. I'll see what I can do. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:48, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
So yeah. I'm not happy right now. I had JUST finished making it, and hit preview, and then Bulbapedia dies. After 30 freakin minutes doing the stupid thing.... now I have to redo it. This time I'll save the stuff on a word document. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
:Is there a sprite for the Oval Stone, too? I did not see it in the table of items, but it is in the table of item shapes. Or is the shape table wrong? -- [[User:Bob.com bob|Bob.com bob]] 23:48, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
::That's why I asked for people to add anything I missed. It took me 30 minutes to redo it, and I did the stones by memory. I'll go add it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Lucky Egg ==

Didn't Lucky Egg doubled Exp before Generation IV? Doesn't this deserve a mention? [[User:Mr. Charlie|Mr. ]][[User talk:Mr. Charlie|Charlie]] 14:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:No. It's like a traded Pokémon. They got half of the normal Exp added on to the total gain from the defeated Pokémon. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== F.E.A.R ==

Is it possible to use a focus band in F.E.A.R instead of a focus sash [[User:Vespitomb|User: Vespitomb]] 10:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, but the Focus Band only has a 10% chance of working, although it doesn't require full health to work. In other words, you can use it, but 9 times out of 10 it won't work, making it a pretty useless choice. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] 10:51, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

== Shedinja & Focus Sash ==

How does Focus Sash behave when held by Shedinja? Is it a free one-hit protection? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 12:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. This was discussed elsewhere, actually, and is borderline forummy, but let's chuck it in the article. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 12:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== More Focus Sash ==

It says here that Future Sight and Doom Desire can override the Focus Sash. {{m|Future Sight|Both}} of the moves' {{m|Doom Desire|pages}} says that they can't take out a Pokémon that has a Sash. Why? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

== More More Focus Sash/Focus Band ==

Do Focus Band/Focus Sash protect against Explosion/Selfdestruct? [[User:Zesty Cactus|Zesty Cactus]] 02:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
:They protect *against* the "exploding" moves, but doesn't prevent the user from fainting. --[[User:Bbbbbbbbba|Bbbbbbbbba]] 04:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

== Quick Claw ==

Is it consumed after use? The news you cam [i]see[/i] it being used makes me think so, but I wanted to be sure. [[User:Machamp ion|Machamp ion]] 17:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:It is not. — [[User:Tenno Seremel|Tenno Seremel]] 00:02, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Zoom lens ==

The in-game description says it boosts critical hit rate, not accuracy. Possibly by two levels given the timing requirement, unless the in-game is wrong, official nintendo guides have had errors, so. . . [[User:Kendai|~Kendai]] 22:03, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Shed Shell ==

Explain how this item functions... I'm massively confused on how to use it. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:49, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

:If your Pokémon is trapped by a move, such as Fire Spin, it can escape/switch out. Same thing if the opponent has Shadow Tag or Magnet Pull. I haven't ever used it, but I'm pretty sure it has unlimited uses. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::So that's what it does. The in-game description isn't really helpful, but it makes sense now. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== A Question About Metronome - move + item ==

When Metronome the move is used while holding Metronome the item, does it properly affect the randomly selected move so that by the 11th time the move is used, any attack selected is doing 100% more (double) damage? ––[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 18:29, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
:No. Because {{m|Metronome}} calls up a random move, the hold item Metronome would only work if you got the same move twice in a row, which most likely won't happen. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:13, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== "Critical Hit Ratio"(accuracy) ==
This does not make sense. Could someone field-test whether the Zoom Lens boosts one or the other? Thanks--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 02:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:I don't know where that comes from, but the '''in-game''' description says critical hit ratio. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Someone already fixed it...now what about those quotation marks...--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 04:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I did. And I'll get the quotations. Unless the rest of the page is like that. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Right-O!--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 04:07, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== Big Root ==

It can be found on Route 3 according to the article, could someone add it in. I tried but it wouldn't work. {{u|Gallevoir}} 14:24 20 Feburary 2010

Do we know if the Big Root will affect Dream Eater (in any generation)? I can't find positive or negative confirmation of this anywhere. [[User:Delspencerdeltorro|Delspencerdeltorro]] 23:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Turn Alteration ==

I moved Iron Ball from Turn Alteration to Negative Effect on Holder because it doesn't technically alter anything in the priority bracket. It just cuts speed. [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 12:48, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, it makes the holder move last. Unless somebody can prove it doesn't. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::Fair enough. I went by the in-game description and what the page listed as the effect. Obviously "Cuts the holder's Speed by 50%" is not a true priority change, but it could be wrong. [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 14:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It does cut the holder's speed (and makes the holder if it's flying type or has levitate vulnerable to ground-type attacks), it's Lagging tail that affects priority. Holding lagging tail will make the pokemon move after one holding iron ball.[[User:Wikifixer|Wikifixer]] 20:19, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

==Template==

I started putting the items into the templates. As you can tell, it's severely lacking information such a descriptions across generations and sell prices. Sell prices I didn't know, I put as "001". Please feel more than free to correct anything, add anything, or to continue putting things in the template. I'm out of free time for now. I'll get to work again later... [[User:Smythe|Smythe]] 14:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:There might be a problem with the change to a template like this. Since the item names are no longer section headers, linking to specific items isn't working because it doesn't find the item name as a section anymore. EG: <nowiki>[[In-battle_effect_item_(section)#Choice_Scarf]]</nowiki> isn't working anymore. [[User:Megaericzero|Megaericzero]] 02:35, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
::It works... try clicking [[In-battle effect item#Choice Scarf|this]]. It works. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 02:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Choice Items ==

Do the effects of the choice items end when the Pokémon holding them switch out? Or, will the Pokémon be forced to use the same chosen move when it switches back in? ~ [[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 07:36, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:The effect ends when the Pokémon is withdrawn. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::Excellent, thanks very much. ~ [[User:Ender Phoenix|Ender Phoenix]] 07:47, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Amulet Coin held? ==

It says it can be held by wild Machokes in FRLG, [[Machoke#Held items]] says otherwise. Which one is true?--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] 17:31, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

==Life Orb==
Does life orb power up explosion or will it not have any effect? [[User:S Ninja D|S Ninja D]] 15:41, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

==Focus Sash==
If a Shedinja is holding a focus sash, will it then become pretty much invinsible? It only has 1 HP, so any attack tha hits would bring it down from full health to death. Focus sash would make it stay at 1HP, but since this is its full HP, it could be sed again and again. Would this work? --- Migrant
:New comments to the bottom of the page please. Your question has already been answered on this page. Try the section titled ''{{DL|Talk:In-battle effect item|Shedinja & Focus Sash}}''. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

== Negative effect items ==

Do these items actuallt benefit the holder in any way, or is the idea to use an item-switching move? [[User:Takharii|<sc>Takharii</sc>]] '''~''' [[User talk:Takharii|<sc>Talk!</sc>]] 05:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:Some abilities are activated when a Pokémon is inflicted with a burn or poison. Some moves are more powerful at a lower priority. Some of those items have additional effects when combined with Fling. There are a range of strategies that can be used, not just using Switcheroo or Trick. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Shed Shell PHaze ==
Does the shed shell bypass traps with PHaze moves? In other words, if I give a [[Skarmory (Pokémon) | Skarmory]] a shed shell, could it use roar or whirlwind to force a Pokémon with the Magnet Pull ability out, or would Skarmory itself have to switch?
:Shed Shell just allows your Pokémon to switch out, regardless of Magnet Pull, or other abilities/moves. As far as I know, Magnet Pull dosen't work that way. It simply prevents opposing Steel types from switching out. You should be able to phaze the Magnet Puller anyway. If you were trying to phaze a {{p|Cradily}} with {{a|Suction Cups}} it wouldn't work if you held the Shed Shell. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:28, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Focus Band code. ==

Are there any checks or surprises that explicitly prevent Focus Band from activating an infinite number of times in a row on a lucky day? --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 19:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think there is, but you would have to be seriously lucky for it to occur. I know that it can activate multiple times in the same battle - I once had an opponent saved twice in a row by the Focus Band. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== Generation III ==

Ok, here's the deal. All of the Items Introduced prior to Gen.IV games except Berserk Gene, Amulet Coin, and Smoke Ball, ARE purchasable in Pokémon Colosseum's and/or Pokémon XD's [[Mt. Battle]] via [[Poké Coupon|Poké Coupons]], but they are not being mentioned here. I just want to know if it's worth it. -- [[User:SaitoFX|Saito]] [[User talk:SaitoFX|FX]] 21:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Lagging Tail ==

Besides using Switch with this item to give it to your opponent, there are reasons to want YOUR Pokémon to go last. If your Pokémon knows a move like Avalanche or Revenge, they do more damage when your Pokémon is hurt during the current turn. This means they have to go second at least in order to get the bonus damage.
-[[User:KingStarscream|KingStarscream]] 19:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
:That's not helping the article. This is really just forums content. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:54, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

== Metronome (item) ==

Does it affect moves such as Outrage? --[[User:Slimmy|Slimmy]] 00:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
: I don't think so, Outrage does not appear in {{cat|Swipe moves}} [[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 20:36, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
:: That, if anything, means that it could work. Swipe moves don't benefit from Metronome with each hit. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 20:42, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

== Rechargable Battery and Red Card ==

It says they're single-use items. Does "single-use" mean if the affect happens, it won't happen again for the rest of the battle, OR does it mean it's "consumed" and goes away, lost forever? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 14:58, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
:The general meaning of "single-use" is that they are consumed and gone forever. As far as I'm aware, this has not changed in Gen V (i.e. no one's told me otherwise). —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:58, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
::Then it should be made clear, since "single-use" isn't the same as "consumed," as every other blurb on Gen IV items and older make clear. If they vanish, they should be noted as "consumed," only because if I can express confusion on the aspect, so can other people. If they vanish, they vanish. If they only work once per battle but don't vanish, that needs to be definitively noted, too. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 04:54, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:::In general, consumed things are only consumed if you use them outside of wifi/IR battles or battle frontier/subway/tower etc. You can reuse them as many times as you want there {{unsigned|Pyritie}}

== WHY ==

WHY DID EVERYONE BREAK EVERYTHING.

They're in a currently-Japan-only game! WHY DID YOU NOT INPUT THE JAPANESE NAMES? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:46, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:Japanese names added. Know any other articles that need it? [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 08:03, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

==Cassettes==
I would argue that they deserve their own page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 00:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:As long as the Plates have one, it seems consistent. --[[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:55, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:V-create (move)

2011-01-16T09:01:32Z

PLA: /* Non-sacrificial? */ new section

Talk:Reuniclus (Pokémon)

2011-01-14T09:35:25Z

PLA: /* Name origin */

{{forums notice|March 31, 2011}}

== Artwork ==

Could someone please edit the artwork for this Pokémon, because it looks a little badly cropped, due to the yellow in the hand. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 23:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:Be patient young one, these are directly cropped from the magazine scans, we're going to have to wait for better artwork. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 23:21, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==

I'm not sure about the validity of the name origin, but if it is correct, why don't we cut out the middle-man and rename the article "Ronculus?" Wargle's article isn't "Warugaru." [[User:BulbaB|BulbaB]] 14:42, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The name could also be romanized as "Rancluse", the cluse coming from the word recluse, which means someone who lives in seclusion or solitude, it could be a reference to the fact that the white body is inside the green....ectoplasm or energy or whatever it could possibly be. As you can see romanization's are never absolute. Because of this, its best to wait for official romanization's or just plain out wait for english names. --[[User:Yunophobia|Yunophobia]] 00:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Version Exclusive and height correction ==

According to the official Black and White website, Rankurusu will be exclusive to White version.
Also according to the site, Rankurusu is 1.0m, not 1.6m

== Name origin ==

The article says that its name comes from ''ran'' (disorder), but it could also be from ''ranma'' (chaos). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 16:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

: It seems to me that Rankurusu's name is the word "rankless", as in, "without rank". Being the Amplification Pokémon (presumably amplifying other things), perhaps its own actual "rank" (strength, whatever) is unknown, hence the name. Alternatively, it could come from "rancorous", meaning "showing deep-seated resentment". These depend on the story behind Rankurusu, but they sound interesting enough to be true. ~ [[User:Serial Colour|Serial Colour]] 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::I'm the one who put ''ran'', because that's the kanji used in ''ranma''. I looked at the meaning of both kanji and it's the ''ran'' in ''ranma'' that gives the word its meaning. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|junkie]] 22:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Might as well continue with the english name here. I haven't yet seen anything in the design or abilities that makes me think of anything reuniting, and this is the Gen V pokemon I've paid attention to all the way from the start of coverage. In fact, division springs to mind. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 09:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== Sprite ==

I've taken the image from the updated site, edited it a bit, and shazam, we have (What I think is) a half-assed attempt at a sprite~

[http://i29.tinypic.com/25857wl.png Here ya' are]

Hope it helps, and sorry if it's not in good enough quality :/{{unsigned|Omnis}}

==Origin==

Rankurusu appears to be based on a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade Tardigrade] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homunculus Homunculus]. --[[User:Green Kricketune|Green Kricketune]] 22:10, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
: Where on earth are you getting the connection to the Tardigrade from?? That seems like speculation to me, it doesn't seem to fit well at all with this Pokemon. --[[User:Oleandervine|Oleandervine]] 23:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
::I think Green Kricketune is right, it's based on a Homunculus. The reason it's called "Amplification" pokemon as far as I can see, is because a Homunuculus also refers to a model of a human body where certain sensory parts, such as Hands, Ears, Mouth etc. are made larger in proportion to how sensitive they are ([http://lacalmette.midiblogs.com/media/01/01/0aa7ad714f4c9d40ea13e5d484cdb348.jpg Image]) - they are in a sense "Amplified", though I can't help wonder if the translation may be a bit off without the Psychological context. Design wise, it explains why the small body inside is fairly small, yet the gooey body is large, the hands and ears bigger than the rest of the body. The design itself is probably based on the idea that there is a small human inside eggs and sperm, hence the plasma thing it's got going on. It's almost worth mentioning that an anime called "Ghost Hound" addressed this idea too, with people having Out Of Body Experiences, where they'd fall asleep and their homunculus would emerge to float around a little dream-world - the homunculus looked like blobby/gooey/plasma-y baby type thing, with little oddly coloured organs and spheres inside the body. That's very similar to the design of Rankurusu. From this, it also seems the more likely romanisation is going to be "Ranculus" or "Lanculus" [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 13:54, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
I said that it was based on a Tardigrade for it's gelatinous structure, bear-like face in the homunculus, and it's abilities, {{a|Magic Guard}} and Dust-Proof, respectively, refer to it's adaptability and it's position as a polyextremophile. Also, thanks for the Support, N-Denizen! [[User:Green Kricketune|Green Kricketune]] 14:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::The Tardigrade analogy is also a good one, I have to say. With the bear features, and its survival abilities, that also makes sense. A pokemon being inspired by a creature that can survive in a vacuum is very likely, too, it provides a direct analogy to its Magic Guard and Dust Proof abilities. When it curls up, it looks like Rankurusu's main body, as well. So I guess this is like...a fusion of sorts? That's pretty cool, does it explain the first part of its name, though? [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 15:52, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, if "Ranma" means "Chaos", then that could be it. Tardigrades can survive in chaotic conditions, but that's a wild guess [[User:N-Denizen|N-Denizen]] 16:00, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the first thing I thought when I saw it was "That looks like a water bear." It should definitely be mentioned alongside the whole homunuculus thing. --[[User:Corn|Corn]] 07:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Ranculus ==

[http://d.pr/BQZY Please move, thanks!]--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 16:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)