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Talk:Tyrogue (Pokémon)

2020-08-26T02:59:22Z

OrigamiPhoenix: /* Holding EV training items to evolve? */ new section

I have noticed that route 211 has a east side and a west side but no one real said witch side. So could someone specify witch side to avoid confusion?--[[User:Minor Notes|Minor Notes]] 21:39, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

== Egg moves? ==

Apparently, Tyrogue can get egg moves from its evolutions (such as {{m|Hi Jump Kick}} from {{p|Hitmonlee}} and {{m|Bullet Punch}} from {{p|Hitmonchan}}), but how? I thought male passed moves and female passed species, but the [[Hitmons]] are male-only. [[User:Baby G|Baby G]] 20:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
:Ditto. --[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 21:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
::So, for example, if you breed a Hitmonlee with a {{p|Ditto}}, and the Hitmonlee knows Hi Jump Kick, the hatched Tyrogue will know Hi Jump Kick too? [[User:Baby G|Baby G]] 23:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
:::One assumes. I've never really paid attention to egg moves, but Ditto is the only way to breed Tyrogue in any case.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:18, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
::::Yh! its true! i had got five Tyrogues and 3 were bred with Ditto. Its the only way of getting e.g Hitmonchan(Punching) with Hi Jump Kick(Not in Hitmonchans moveset)[[User:Laxafett|Tusk an prince(Mamoswine)]]18:19, 24th September 2008 (UTC)

== No effort points????==

eee... guys, are you really sure that Tyrogue doesn't give any effort points? Serebii's pokedex states something completely different... (1 attack point) [[User:Piotr mil|Piotr mil]] 00:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:Someone must've forgotten to upgrade this page when we went through with the infobox redesign. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::New stuff to the bottom of the talk page, please. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 01:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Abilities and Level Up ==
I have never seen anything that references this, so I have to ask. How can you, if at all, which ability Tyrogue will obtain once it evolves into Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan or Hitmontop? Is there a correlation or is it random? --[[User:Blaziken=Tahu|Blaziken=Tahu]] ([[User talk:Blaziken=Tahu|talk]]) 18:35, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
:The first ability we list for Tyrogue (Guts) corresponds to the first ability we list for each of its evolutions (Limber, Keen Eye, or Intimidate, respectively), and the same for the second ability and the hidden ability. It's because the [[personality value]] determines abilities based on whether a certain bit is on or off; the personality value doesn't change upon evolution, so a Tyrogue with the "on" ability will always have the "on" ability after it evolves; one with the "off" ability will likewise always have the "off" ability. (I'm doing a poor job of explaining it, but I hope it's understandable.) [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 20:32, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

== Holding EV training items to evolve? ==

The "Evolution" section at a glance seems to imply that a Tyrogue holding certain EV training items forces the corresponding evolution regardless of their actual stats. Since I can only assume this isn't true, it should be edited to better describe the idea that these items grant EVs, maybe add the EV consumables beside them?

Talk:Power Trick (move)

2020-08-18T23:39:42Z

OrigamiPhoenix: /* Gen IV bug? */

Just tested Power Trick with my Swords Dance Gliscor. Used Swords Dance three times, then Power Trick. I went to use Swords Dance again, and I was greeted with "BruceWayne's Attack won't go any higher!" Meaning that the Attack boost did not transfer to a Defense boost as the article implies. The article should be changed to reflect this, or if some modifiers are known to apply, we need to differentiate them. [[User:TheBeardedRobot|TheBeardedRobot]] 09:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:I wonder how the game actually does the swap. Maybe it just alters the calculations to use the opposite stat, in which case the attack boosts would apply to the defense, but when Swords Dance is used it may still record it as having six attack boosts, and so won't make it any higher. Some more testing would be needed to check that, but I'm not sure exactly how one would do such testing. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:27, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::I tested as far as I thought would be thorough. My Gliscor's Defense (151) is a good chunk higher than her Attack (132). I used Swords Dance x3 and Power Trick in a wild battle. I went to use Swords Dance again, it fails, wild poke hits for more damage than before Power Trick, even though the Defense should be 132 + 6 stages. Rinse, repeat, repeat without swords dance, and comparable damage each time, regardless of Swords Dance use. [[User:TheBeardedRobot|TheBeardedRobot]] 09:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Hmm. [http://veekun.com/dex/moves/power%20trick Veekun] says that the ''original stats'' are swapped, and [http://www.smogon.com/dp/moves/power_trick Smogon] says that the ''Attack and Defense boosts are still applied to their stat'', so it looks like you are exactly right, this page is wrong. I've changed it, but feel free to modify it to your liking and thanks for bringing it up. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

== Shuckle in the Anime ==
Saying that Power Trick makes Shuckle's defense higher than its attack doesn't make sense; Shuckle already has buttloads more defense than attack anyway. If it were only being used to make its Attack higher temporarily, I could understand, but the way it's worded makes no sense right now.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]][[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 16:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

== Exact move mechanics? ==

It's stated that the attack and defense values are swapped, so if a pokemon has, say, 100 attack and 150 defense, it'll n ow have 150 attack and 100 defense after Power Trick. Does this also keep EVs and IVs in this calculation, so a pokemon EV trained in Defense will still have those EVs influencing the swapped Attack stats? --[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] ([[User talk:Zoen|talk]]) 01:40, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

== Special Attack/Defense ==

Does power trick also switch special attack and special defense or just regular attack/defense?[[User:Zombiedude347|Zombiedude347]] ([[User talk:Zombiedude347|talk]]) 19:07, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
:Just regular attack/defense.--[[User:NOBODY|NOBODY]] ([[User talk:NOBODY|talk]]) 20:03, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

== Regarding the research template on the page ==

[https://i.imgur.com/eNu6kAp.png After testing this question] with a friend, we observed that:

A regular Psycho-Cut did 21 damage, a Power Trick Psycho-Cut did 16 damage, which checks out with the Power Trick.
After Mega Evolution, a Psycho-Cut did 57 damage to Regirock, which would check out in a calculator with its regular
attack, but not the Power Trick attack.

So in conclusion, Power Trick's effects do not linger after Mega Evolution.

If anyone needs the stats of each test subject Pokémon to calculate by themselves, or want to see a battle video, please tell me.

[[User:McFlyMan|McFlyMan]] ([[User talk:McFlyMan|talk]]) 04:41, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

== Gen IV bug? ==

May have found a bug, couldn't find it mentioned anywhere: Use Power Trick, level up, stats update and Power Trick's effect has been neutralized. [[User:OrigamiPhoenix|Sableeye deserves better.]] ([[User talk:OrigamiPhoenix|talk]]) 23:39, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Power Trick (move)

2020-08-18T23:39:04Z

OrigamiPhoenix: /* Gen IV bug? */ new section