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Talk:List of Pokémon with form differences/Archive 1

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==Arceus==
Shouldn't Arceus e listed here too?--[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 09:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't see why not. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 02:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Deoxys. ==

It's Forme. Check the Pokémon.com dex. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

: But why would they change that for Deoxys? It makes no sense. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::It's Forme. Even the Nintendo Power guilled says so. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:11 21 May 2008'''''
::: Which I'm assuming they don't spell "guilled"... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Proves that I'm obssessed with Special. I emant GUIDE. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:16 21 May 2008'''''
::::So you have the guide, and it says "forme?" Jeez! How is it possible we didn't know about this before now? --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 06:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
::::: My point... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 16:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::{{u|Deoxys911}} posted this info on my {{ut|Martonimos}}, but after I played through the special mission in {{pkmn|Ranger}} and they were all spelled as "form," I thought he was just being misled. I guess Game Freak and HAL just got their wires crossed somewhere, because it's starting to look more and more like he was right... Looks like I owe someone an apology. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 19:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Shaymin ==
Sky Forme [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 19:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

:Looks fake but cute [[User:CoolPikachu!]]
::Another one??? God, I must delete everything with that link! Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:06 25 May 2008'''''
:::Yeah, it's fake. It seemed so real! [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 21:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::::It's been confirmed! How do we add it? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 23:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
You'll have to ask an admin, since they've got this page protected (damn vandals) --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 02:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::-snort- Looks kinda like a reindeer.. Hehe.. I think it's pretty ugly actually, and I hope that isn't the in-game sprite displayed on the page, it doesn't look good at all to me. [[User:Evan94|Evan]] 06:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
::::: Apparently it's gonna be in "giratina and the boquet in the sky" (japanese name), along with the rotom formes. I'm guessing that giratina's "origin forme" is going to be in there, too. --[[User: serenolopez9|Neosteel Empoleon]]

== Cherrim ==

Cherrim should definitely be on this page - there are already other examples of Pokemon that can change their form, and Cherrim's difference is similar in nature to Castform's. Why is this page locked, by the way?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:The page is protected due to edit warring over the spelling of "form". Some users insist that it should be spelled "forme", which is incorrect--there isn't supposed to be an E in "form". --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::Well duh, not in NORMAL English. But for Deoxys, Giratina, and Shaymin, yes there is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:I'm not exactly sure that "<s>Bulb</s> Bud Forme" and "Bloom Forme" are official names. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 20:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::Me neither, but that's what it said on the Cherrim page, so I'd rather stick with precedent then make a fuss. If someone in the know has more info, though, go ahead.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Also, we should differentiate between which are recognized by the Pokedex, and which are obviously different forms but not recognized as such. Giratina might actually fit into this, as it's Pokedex entry doesn't say anything about its form (as of now).[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:: Where the heck did 'Bud Forme' and 'Bloom Forme' names come from? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 13:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

:::They were added to Cherrim's page. Most likely a while ago. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 14:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::They're purely fanon names I came up with to differentiate the sprite tables. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::Since they are not ''actual'' names, I think it would be safe to drop the "e" off of Forme, so as not to confuse anyone into thinking they are official. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::We should drop more than the '''e''' (which is still official since everything else uses it). Castform is probably the best example to follow for the captions. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying that "Forme" is unofficial, just "Bud" and "Bloom". In any case, should they just be labeled "{{m|Sunny Day}}" and "Other"? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
: That works. Or 'Normal' instead of 'Other'[[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 16:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, I wasn't too keen on the word "Other" anyway. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::forme is for legendaries only, you know. Has Cherrim seen a TCG release yet? That's where I got the names for Castform's forms. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:01, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

::::I could only find the one card. It is simply titled Cherrim and it is already in bloom. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

:::::According to the Official Pocket Version of the Pokédex guide, Cherrim's forms are "Overcast Form" and "Sunshine Form". Spelled like that without the "e". The Deoxys Formes do have the "e", though. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Miltank ==

Miltank's spots are diffrent in every game hinting they change in each region.
:Just because they differ in games doesn't mean that the Miltank change depending on the region. =/ - [[User:SpontaneousCombusken|spontaneous'''Combusken''']] 03:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
::Well, that's the way Arbok is ''supposed'' to work, but we all know that a Hoenn Arbok can magically change to a Kanto Arbok.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Castform ==

The same guide I mentioned above for Cherrim also list the names of Castform's forms. They are: "Normal form", "Sun form", "Rain form" and "Hail form". Should these be used? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Others ==

Can I point out? "Mantyke's Pokédex entry in Pearl says that the special patterns on its back vary from region to region. However, this has yet to be proven" How can this be true? It is availible in Ranger SOA, isnt it? --[[User:Lucario12|Lucario12]] 13:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== Rotom's Formes? ==

I'm not convinced it is a toaster, as I see it to resemble a {{wp|microwave oven}} more than a toaster. The others I agree with, but not this one. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
::::: I always thought it was a microwave oven,too. It's actually called "heat forme", though. Go figure.
--[[User:serenolopez9|Neosteel <color: silver> Empoleon <color:blue>]]

== Stupid Protection ==

:OMG, I wanted to edit the page to put in OFFICIAL names for Castform forms (they are in TCG) and I discovered the page is protected. Please stop that debate about "Form" or "Forme". Official sources use '''スピンロトム''' ''Spin Rotom'', ''Wash Rotom'' etc. As long as they are not officially revealed, just leave it alone. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 06:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::Interesting. The four Castfors are called:
*Castform
*Rain Castform
*Snow-cloud Castform
*Sunny Castform
::As far as Rotom goes, Urutapu makes a pretty good argument for the use of "Forme." --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== Just to kill any doubts about Rotom Forms ==

[http://blog-imgs-27.fc2.com/r/a/i/raim2005/Pt_rotom03.jpg Look here!] (courtesy of Blue SkY) Photos taken from the game itself. See it now? It's ロトム (Rotom), not フォルム (Forme)! Which means that Rotom forms are supposed to be named '''Wash Rotom''', '''Spin Rotom''', '''Cut Rotom''' etc., they are not called "Formes" anywhere. So, it's officialy EoT. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

== "フォルム" or "フォーム" ==

Both translate to "form" through a Google translate, but apparently the first is used intentionally and translated as "Forme", while the second translates as "form".

What I need to know... The English games have a specific text. The fifth button on a Pokémon's entry says "Forms", while on the top screen, when it's pressed, it says "FORMS" and on the form-switcher button, says "See another form." Now, in the Japanese, all these instances of "form", does it say "フォーム", the standard transliteration, or does it use "フォルム" for them all? Because if it's the nonstandard one... that means that really, truly, it's intended to be "Forme" for everything.

But if not then we have the ambiguity problem. Deoxys says "see another form", but it cycles among the Attack, Defense, Speed, and Normal Formes. And ''that'' is proven by Pokémon.com. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:The button says "But see another" (べつのすがをみろ) in Pokémon Platinum. Giratina uses Forme for sure.. not got enough Pokédex for others. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 21:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::Anything for DP? It seems that Pokémon Wiki has it all under the "Forme/フォルム" spelling, even Unown. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, the Unown don't have the Forme spelling attached. They all share the same thing. (which I forgot to copy) [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 21:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Templates ==

I noticed that all of these Pokémon with alternate Formes/forms all have their own special template (either a bigger spritebox to accomodate them all or, in the case of Arceus and Unown, one based on the second you enter the page) except for Castform. Over the past few days, I've made such templates but I'm having trouble getting them to appear. If anyone thinks we should implement these and that they can help, post on my talk page.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 01:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== More pictures ==

Should we show pictures for the other Pokémon (Arbok, Dialga, etc.) except for Mantyke (till Generation V) [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 21:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:Well Arbok's patterns... differ based on the generation of sprites. They aren't truly form differences. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:22, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe there could be section or page called "Sprite Differences among Generations/Regions" or something. [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 22:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Don't forget Koffings poison mark -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

== Before Unown ==

I'm wondering why nobody's thought about the most obvious very first 'form change' and that is the Male and Female versions of Nidoran, and the altered evolution paths they take. Does anyone think this is worth mentioning in the article? [[User:Korikitsune|Korikitsune]] 03:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:No, because they are [[list of Pokémon with gender differences|gender differences]], not different forms. They are two individual Pokémon, unlike the forms of Unown and friends. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 03:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
::They are 2 pokemon with the same name, the only difference being the gender, I think that counts, I'm not sure why it doesn't count, seeing as how they have the same name in all technicality, and in the show, people wouldn't say, 'Go Nidoran Male!' just, 'Go, Nidoran!' It's a male and female version of the pokemon, who's evolutionary pattern depends on it's gender. The minor gender difference in other pokemon is mentioned later in the article. [[User:Korikitsune|Korikitsune]] 04:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::With your reasoning, {{p|Hippowdon}} and {{p|Bidoof}} would be here also. Gender differences are different from form differences. Furthermore, the Nidorans have different 'dex numbers. They are completely separate Pokémon. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

== Protection ==

This isn't necessary anymore, nobody's gonna try to add Missigno.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

== Shellder Sprites ==
I'm making sprites for the Shellder. Should we have them on this page? (This is my first ever edit) [[User:Pokemon17|Pokemon17]] 07:15, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
:No, because they are not in the actual game but fan-made ones you made. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 07:28, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== Missingno. ==

I was looking back in the history of this page, and I saw that there had been an edit war over Missingno.'s absence from this page. And a quote from one of the edit summaries, "stop, it isn't an actual pokemon", really enraged me. I believe that the guy who tried to add Missingno. had the right idea, because, after all, it does have different forms.

I have made this argument in the past, and I shall make it again, for what I hope to be the final time. A Pokémon, in terms of in the games, is a specific piece of data that can learn and use attacks, can battle other Pokémon, can be captured, has a Pokédex entry, has a cry, has a type or types, and has stats. Granted, three of Missingno.'s forms gain their types, stats, and moves from other Pokémon, but they qualify. Sure, Ash captured a rice ball with a Poké Ball, and I'm not claiming that rice balls are Pokémon. This is because although rice balls can apparently be captured in Poké Balls, they fail at every other requirement. No attacks, no cry, can't battle, no dex entry, no cry, no types, no moves, no stats. Glitch Pokémon, on the other hand, fulfill all those requirements. Maybe you will argue that Glitch Pokémon would've appeared in the anime if they were real. Well, then, by that logic, why don't we just say that {{p|Porygon2}} and {{p|Porygon-Z}} aren't real Pokémon? After all, they've never appeared in the anime, and many people believe that they never will, so why not! No. Just no. And many people will claim that Missingno. is not a real Pokémon due to the accidental nature with which it came to be. What a load of bull{{tt|****|shit}}! Pennicillin came about by accident, do we deny its medicinal value? No, we do not! And likewise, we do not deny that Glitch Pokémon are Pokémon, too! If Glitch Pokémon aren't considered to be real Pokémon, then by that logic, I defeated the Elite 4 in Blue without any Pokémon, and I have a PC box that is full, yet has no Pokémon in it! Fail logic is epic, epic fail.

I do not say this to start any arguments; I say this to stop them. I wish for this longtime and meaningless controversy to be put to rest once and for freaking all. I will not prematurely attempt to add Missingno. back on the page, for fear of yet another unproductive edit war starting up. Rather, I will wait patiently for someone in authority to allow me to proceed with this. I am confident, given my thorough argument, that it will not take long at all.

The majority of Bulbapedia editors are highly intelligent, prominently including its illustrious staff. I urge you all, therefore, to not let Bulbapedia's credibility and neutrality, as well as your own usually clear and cloudless judgement, fall victim to the naysayers, the stubborn imbeciles, the biased, discriminating anti-glitch bigots that have so plagued Bulbapedia and impeded the noble progress of the Order of the Glitch. Allow Missingno. and its various formes to be added to the page, to be truly counted among other Pokémon, and it will be considered a great achievement. A blow will be stricken for truth and logic! Glitch Pokémon are every bit as good as "official" Pokémon, if not even better, and it's time the good people of Bulbapedia realized this! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 12:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:While several of your arguments are flawed (I can say which ones, but it doesn't matter), I will agree that MissingNo. deserves a mention on this page. In a different way to the other standard Pokémon (perhaps in the trivia section or under other Pokémon), but definitely a mention of some kind. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::There are 39 glitch Pokémon (which have unique index numbers) on the English R/B alone which use the name 'Missingno.' If those are to stay I'd reccommend a seperate article. But also, what makes Missingno. different to all the other glitch Pokémon, just because it is well known doesn't mean we should keep Pikachu's page and delete Dunsparce's page (just a matter of speech)? We would need the several thousand variations of ?????????? and the handful amount of ? mark glitches. Don't forget that there are other R/B/Y glitch Pokémon except Missingno. which have the same name too! As well, as the 39 English 'yellow missingno.' and so on.

That would be awkward, I'd say we should simply have it on trivia and leave the different variations of such glitch Pokémon on their own articles. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 18:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Well... it's not really an official Pokemon. No matter how much you will plug your ears and scream IT'S OFFICIAL!!!! because it has Pokemon-like data... well, you gotta fill that in or else the game would go ballistic. Is the name "Missingno." in the copyright database? I can't check that for myself (don't know how), but I have my doubts about it being copyrighted by Nintendo. It's just filler data that people happen to get attached to, because you can encounter it during 'normal gameplay' (ish...), has more of a name than the other glitches, can have a more 'real' sprite, and doesn't have much effect on your game other than the Hall of Fame.

:Does that make it a Pokemon? No. No, it doesn't. Has it appeared in any other game except Generation I? No. Was it intended to be encountered? No. It may have types/moves/stats, but that was probably to avoid a total crash if someone happened to come across it.

:As for Missingno being on the page... well. I don't think it's a "true" form per se, but it at least deserves a trivia mention or something. Because it's not official and two of its "forms" are just glitchy boxes, I don't think it needs an entire section... trivia should be suitable. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 18:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Rotom changing forms ==

The article explains that Rotom changes form by possessing household appliances. However, it does not say how. (Giratina's section explains how, for example.) By showing the in-game sprites for each form, wouldn't that indicate those forms are available in the games? So what needs to happen in order to trigger this change? Do you examine one of the appliances with Rotom leading the party? [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 12:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:It should mention it. Examine an appliance in Rotom's room (Galactic or Silph) with a Rotom in your party (anywhere), then a message pops up saying that Rotom wants to go into the motor and you are asked whether or not to permit it. Then to revert it, examine the spot where the appliance was and Rotom will want to revert to it's original form and you are asked to permit it. This is all from Platinum, so HGSS might be slightly different. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:: I'd like to add that if you're using HeartGold and SoulSilver you will find the room in Silph Co. by setting Rotom as your [[Walking Pokémon]] and entering the lift which is normally disfunctionable --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 14:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC).

== Basurao ==

shouldn't basurao be included here? [[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 11:56, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Think I figured out the form/forme issue. ==

Form - Generically used

Forme - Used when referring to a specific form.

Ex: "Deoxys has four forms: Normal, Attack, Defense, and Speed Formes."--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 02:28, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:True, but keep in mind some Pokémon still don't use the Forme terminology, such as Burmy, which is instead referred to by its cloak. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::"Forme" is for legendary Pokémon, "form" is for non-legendary Pokémon. This has been known for a while. Example: {{p|Cherrim|Overcast Form}}, {{p|Deoxys|Attack Forme}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:36, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shadow Lugia ==

Shadow Lugia needs to be in the "Pokémon with differing forms" section rather than the "Other form differencees" section, although it is only in one game, the same also applies to Spiky-ear Pichu, who is only in HeartGold/SoulSilver but is in the section. Could Dark/Primal Dialga could also be added too?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:15, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Rotation By Time. ==

This has been discussed multiple times before, but it is quite frustrating to wait a certain amount of time to see the art or stats of a certain form of Pokémon. There are several different ways we can do other than the "rotation over time" method, that would be more efficient for the users so that they could see all the forms of a Pokémon or their stats at any time. Whether we split up articles into multiple articles, or come up with some way to change a picture or the stats at the press of a button, I don't know, but I just want to know why we are still using this method other than that it is a policy. Can an admin please explain to me why we use this method, rather than an other method? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:44, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
:The other stats etc. can be viewed simply by clicking "Show" on the RHS of the page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:41, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, and so the art can be viewed in the gallery on the Bulbagarden Archives. That makes total sense! Thanks trom! --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== Hihidarumma's Active Mode and Meditative Mode ==

According to BW008, Hihidaruma's forms are apparently called 'Active Mode' and 'Meditative Mode'. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Cleanup Needed? ==

Half of the templates on the page have borders (the ones with stats etc, like Deoxys) while the other half don't. Also, why are there four {{tt|different|they are not actually different besides being from different games, they are all <nowiki>"blank"</nowiki> sprites of Spinda}} sprites of Spinda? And some cells appear to be split (like Burmy), while others are not (like Pichu). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:The half that don't have borders are showcasing the sprites and if I recall correctly, those were always there and someone suddenly decided to add all the stats and level-up moves. I don't see what's wrong with the Spinda sprites. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 17:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
::Like Jello said, the ones without borders are just to show the differences in sprite while the ones with borders are templates to display things like base stats. The Spinda sprites are there because we're not even going to start uploading the insane multitude of Spinda sprites onto the Archives so the best demonstration we can do of Spinda sprites is between Generation (but perhaps that's useless and should be removed...). The "splitting" of the cells is simply done when the background colours change between the sprites.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:03, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I never suggested uploading every spinda sprite, only two variations are needed on the page to show the general spot differences. Having four blanks on the page seems pointless, since they do not show any kind of form diference. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:15, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Of course, then we hit upon the problem of which specific sprites to upload. The blank ones are in a matter of speaking less biased.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 21:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::The sprites chosen would not really matter, just as long as the differences between them are obvious. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:33, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

== Arceus (again) ==

I had added Arceus to the type pages where Arceus can be that type along with the asterisk and the plate necessary to make it that type ([http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Flying_%28type%29&oldid=1344684#Pure_Flying-type_Pok.C3.A9mon example]), but {{U|CoolPikachu!}} disagrees (see [[User_talk:CoolPikachu!#Types|here]]). What do the rest of you say? —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 08:23, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
:Its types may already be mentioned, since there is that switchy template thing for Arceus, but this is more helpful. Castform also needs to be added. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 10:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
::I think it should be considered form differences: give it a plate, and its type on the status screen changes. However, Judgment is only a Normal-type move, as when Arceus holds a plate it is still listed as Normal-type. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:00, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
:::You (and anyone who see the link to the right) are hereby invited to [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=98239 The Great Arceus Debate]. —[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
::::If you don't think 4 pages is enough for a debate then I don't know what is. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 05:53, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Onix ==
If Porygon's Conversion changes count as a "form difference" why not [[Crystal Onix]] from the anime?--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 08:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

== Meloetta ==

Does Meloetta remain in Pirouette Forme when the battle ends or after switching? -- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|Questions?]] -- 18:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
:No. And this is kind of a Forum Question--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 18:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
::It is not a forum question, the way that the article was worded implieds that Meloetta remained in Piroutte form outside of battle. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 18:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

==Kyurem==

The names of its forms was confirmed so can we add them?[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 01:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Arbok concept arts ==

Where do those come from? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:56, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:They come from a Japanese Pokémon handbook. It included several other concept arts, like other kinds of Shellder attached to Slowbro and Poliwhirl's internal anatomy. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 23:38, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
::Wow, could you upload the artworks from this book? It's a super-obscure stuff. I'm sure that no one else here has it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Even write an article on it if you can. This sounds like it could have some very interesting info. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:55, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

== Kami trio ==

Someone add the Reijuu Formes for the Kami trio.
<gallery>
File:641Tornadus-Therian.png|Tornadus
File:642Thundurus-Therian.png|Thundurus
File:645Landorus-Therian.png|Landorus
</gallery>

--[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 00:19, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, is it worth mentioning that the three formes seem based o n three gods of the Aztec mythology? Tornadus seems to be based on [[wikipedia:Huitzilopochtli|Huitzilopochtli]] (hummingbird), Thundurus on [[wikipedia:Quetzalcoatl|Quetzalcoatl]] (feathered serpent) and Landorus on [[wikipedia:Tezcatlipoca|Tezcatlipoca]] or [[wikipedia:Tepeyollotl|Tepeyollotl]] (jaguar).

== question ==

The article says that "Unown was the first known Pokémon which had visual differences between individuals of the species."

However this isn't entirely true as Shellder is technically the first. While not to the same extreme as the Unown, Sheller who are attached to Slowpoke (or more specifically their evolutions) have different visual appearances compared to regular Shellder.

Shouldn't this be changed? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 05:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
:Since the attachment to Slowpoke causes an evolution, I think Shellder should be considered to evolve as well. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:59, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

:: Then the part about the Unown should be changed. Shelder was the original shape shifter (no offense Dito) and the Unown are stealing the credit.

:: I also agree that the Shelder + Slowpoke should be considered an evolution on the Shelder end as well, but that's a pretty large mine field to navigate. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 16:03, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

== Shellder ==

SnorlaxMonster, the Pokédex still calls the being attached to Slowbro or Slowking a Shellder. It is a Shellder in a form that is not the default one. We could say that Ditto should also be excluded since it's just one isolated case (Duplica's Ditto) and the Pokémon it transformed into only had it's face changed. Will a complete transformation like Shellder's be excluded because of the saying of an Anime character? If the games say it is a Shellder, won't they have priority over the anime? Please undo it. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 05:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
:In my opinion, Ditto and Shellder turn into separate species. Ditto, while still a ditto, turns into a different Pokémon nonetheless while shellder evolves into a different species (Slowbro). Unown are the first one to have distinct differences of the same species.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:51, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
::The Pokédex does not consider the Shellder attached to a Slowbro as a different species. It is still a Shellder, and can even be detached someday. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 06:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

::: I have to say that I now agree that the Shellder is still a Shellder, not evolved after reading the Shellder Article. You see, I have a good memory, but I forgot that even though it's changed, in the anime the Shellder still pronounces it's name "Shellder" even with Slowbrow's tail shoved down it's throat. Add to that and the fact that indeed the articles do refer to Shellder as Shellder no matter what.

::: Many Pokémon have different forms when they come or inhabit different places. Shellder just happens to like to inhabit parts of Slowpoke.

::: With that said, it is still a Shellder and should be placed back into the article and given the title that Unown is cashing in on. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 15:54, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
::::This topic is getting old. In a sense, Shellder evolves ''with'' Slowpoke. It's not a form change, it's an evolution. If it was just a form change, Slowpoke would still be a Slowpoke, but with a big carnivorous shell on its tail. But the fact that it is the lone cause of Slowpoke's evolution into Slowbro, then it is evolution. Oh, the Pokédex says it can fall off? In theory, maybe it could. But it never would, because that would be devolution, which doesn't happen in the games. Not to mention, you don't even NEED a Shellder in the games to evolve Slowpoke. If it was a form change, it would be able to change back in-game without any issues, or arguments. Like Shaymin for example, you need the flower. But it can change back. If it were an Unown or Shellos case, it wouldn't need to change at all. Shellder would just be one or the other. But they're not.

::::P.S. If Shellder can fall off, then Indian Elephants exist in Pokémon.

::::[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::You can't assume something only because you haven't seen it, you don't need to drink poison to know that it kills. I assume Indian Elephants exist in Pokémon, because the games told me that the Pokédex was made by serious researchers, like Professor Oak. And if we can't (yet) make the Shellder detach, it's our problem, it doesn't mean the Pokédex is a lie. I'll trust Pokédex entries ''a thousand times'' more than "common sense". It's not up to us to decide. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 17:05, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::P.S.: If something should be removed, it's Spinda, Arceus, Genesect and Dialga. Those are not different forms, only their colors (or patterns) change (Dialga's tail can change size naturally). Not to mention Pichu. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 17:11, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

:::::: People calm down, its the internet. I forget which rule that is since all i can remember is rule 63 and the one that destroys people's favorite childhood cartoons.

:::::: Shellder is still Shellder. Slowbro is the only one who evolves, and he even says Slowbro. Shellder on the other hand says Shellder. '''''Pokémon See N Say:''''' The Slowbro says, Slowbrow, the Shellder says, Shellder. Also in the anime this happens despite having a tail down it's throat. Plus Prof Westwood still refers to Shellder as Shellder, and refers to the evolution problem and the Shellder Puzzle. Also when Slowpoke began to evolve, he said Slowpoke, not Slowpoke and Shellder was starting to evolve. "Slowpoke evolved into a Slowbro, and Shellder changed into a spiral shape. Shellder is mentioned to be Shellder in Slowbro's and Slowking Pokédex entries, and the anime.

:::::: Also, whenever a Pokémon ''ITSELF'' evolves, it no longer addresses itself as it once did. Despite similar lettering Pikachu does not say Pichu and neither does Raichu. Have you ever heard a Raichu say Pika or Pichu? Shellder can only evolve with a water stone, and it only evolves into Cloyster. Cloyster say Cloyster, Shellder say Shellder and Shellder on Slowbro's tail say Shellder and not Slowbro, Slowshell, Shellbro or Shelldro.

:::::: This is a different form for Shellder, and so is the one on Slowking's head. Yes Slowpoke can evolve without Shellder in the games, but lots of things are different in the games than the anime. Also the original games came out over a decade and a half ago on a '''''FOURTH GENERATION 8-BIT HANDHELD SYSTEM.''''' Back then you could only fit so much stuff on those dinosaurs, its amazing how they were even able to fit 151 different Pokémon, with multiple moves and other things onto one little tiny cartridge. It leaves the mind boggled. Besides, back then, despite all the stuff they fit into the game, they couldn't put everything in and they didn't think a lot of things through either. You ever notice how Game Freak always shows themselves as party loving college kid programmers in the games? Might not be so far off the mark given how they had so many mistakes in the games, and while less in newer games still happen. Yes I know in new generations certain Pokémon like Mantyke and Mantine need another Pokémon to evolve, but that is now. They've had a decade an a half to think of new things, and the technology has improved 2000 fold and we're only in the 8th generation of Nintendo's innovative handhelds.

:::::: It would be one thing if Pokémon only came out yesterday and these evolution inconsistencies existed, but Pokémon and its games have been around for about 16 years, that's over out half my entire life and many of the Admins on here. In all that time I have rarely seen the franchise go back and fix the flaws of previous generations outside of a few remakes which only removed things like Ghost pcs. They could easily make it where in the next game you need a shellder in the party to evolve Slowpoke, but they haven't and I bet 80% of that is a mix of not wanting to and not needing to for Nostalgia reasons. I guarantee you if they did fix the Slowpoke thing, then many fans would strike back in protest. All Nintendo and Game Freak can do is make the anime and games, and try to not repeat their mistakes and form a consistent and correlate cannon structure for their product.

:::::: I don't know what's in the water around here making everyone uptight, but it's not healthy and unnecessary. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 18:48, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I'd just like to say; not in a rude way, or anything, just honest; the next time you post a message, could it please not be 5 paragraphs long? Half of that message wasn't even on topic. Also, no one is angry here. Not a one. I'm not, Duke's not. The argument that Shellder is its own separate Pokémon when on a Slowbro/king has just been made several times before, and it starts to lose its shine over time, to the point it just becomes repetitive and dull. There was once a big project to label all Slowbro and Slowking as also having Shellders, but it was shot down because of how tedious it was, and the scale of the debate. I'm someone who doesn't really count the Shellder. I mean, I know it's there. But that's like counting the Remoraid on a Mantine. A few times, it does count (Gold's Mantine for example) but overall, it doesn't. The anime likes to emphasize the Shellder, and it's also made the point of Spoink receiving a pearl from Clamperl, but you don't need it in the games. It's easier just to have Slowbro be Slowbro, and normal Shellder be Shellder who evolves into Cloyster. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:14, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Well I wasn't here for those past arguments. I'm still new here and to Wikis in general, I never wanted to get sucked into drama like this...good going on my part. As for half my post "being off topic," I posted what I thought was relevant since it seemed like everyone was bringing in arguments from other arguments. I had to post multiple things to address the multiple issues that were being laid out on the table.

The Point is, Shellder deserves to be on this article, the rash removal is what started this all, at least this time anyway. I don't know why there must be so much fuss, all i ever brought up was that Shellder should have the title that was given to the Unown. Then Shellder got removed and upon reasing its article my POV on its removal changed. As long as the games/anime refer to it as Shellder it remains a Shellder and its different shells are different forms even if they are brought on by Slowpoke's evolution. Look at it this way, Slowpoke is Shellder's Gardina Flower on steroids. And Shellder is Slowpoke's Waterstone on steroids. nOne gains an evolution, the other a new shell/home/host.

I understand it can get tiresome, but you can't take your frustration out on everyone who brings it up. It's going to happen again and again until a Shellder falls off a Slowbro and is shown to revert to its old shell and/or Slowbro to Slowpoke. Also it'll keep happening until A Shellder falls off Slowking and he goes Derpy Hooves on us while the Shellder waits for it to pick it up and put it back on. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 20:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

:Oh my Arceus! We were just debating, hehe. I'd never be upset with Jo The Marten, she's one of the people that keep this wiki going at its best. And even the guy who removed the section is someone I really admire, that's why I asked him to please revert it.
:Jo, I didn't know about the past arguments as well, but I believe this case is different. This article has two main sections, one for the major and one for the minor form differences. As long as Shellder is kept in the second section, with the two points of view discribed (as I incuded), it should be left there. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 21:07, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
::I admit I might have misread the argument at the start. Whenever I see Shellder, my mind instantly thinks back to people arguing that Shellder is its own Pokémon when Slowbro evolves. Umm...lemme think...obviously it changes shape when it helps a Slowpoke evolve, so that's enough for a partial form change..but I think major should just include those where it's permanent and solitary (Unown, Wormadam, Shellos), then minor if it needs some kind of an influence (Burmy, Ditto, Shellder, etc.) About the falling off part of the Pokédex, if it were to fall off, who's to say it would turn back into our common image of Shellder? It could just stay in that form forever. But we don't, and probably won't ever know. It's just something not ever shown, unfortunately. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 21:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
::: Well whatever the case, I think we can all agree this is solved....for now *plays stereotypical dramatic Soap Opera music*

::: But seriously, all we can do as editors and/or fans is try to do our jobs to the best we can with whatever info Nintendo and/or Game Freak gives us. The article isn't perfect, but neither is the info we're stuck with working with but we can still try. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 21:33, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I believe the best criteria to differ major and minor is the new "Forms" button in the Pokédexes. If you open a Pokémon's page, tap the button and something besides Male and Female appears, it has official differing forms. Otherwise, they must be shown, but separately.
::::They could also be differed by the ones that are inherent to the Pokémon (like Burmy and Deoxys) and the ones that are dependant of an Attack or Ability (like Meloetta or Castform). But the first criteria is way better. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 21:51, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::That is a very solid point, and if I could like comments here, I'd like that one. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

== Hide tables ==

I think it's unnecessary to have all those tables in the "In other languages" section exposed. I tried to make it hidable by adding ''class="expandable"'' to each Pokémon, but it didn't work. Can someone help me? [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 05:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:: Ask Jo, she's HTML savvy and I'm sure she'll be able to help and will agree. I also think they look a little ugly out in the open like that [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 05:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I can set it up (although expandable/collapseable code is very weird for some reason), but I don't think it's necessary. They're all at the bottom of the page and out of the way. Something else we might consider is moving them all to each section (so put Sky Forme's IOL section under the "Shaymin" section). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

==Split proposal==
Recently there has been significant expansion of the "Other form differences" section. They really are not form differences, and I suggest that we break them off into a page titled "Variant Pokémon". This would allow all articles in the category {{cat|Variant Pokémon}} as well, including a main article link to this one. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:Good idea, it would be good to split, but not to "Variant Pokémon". This term already covers several pages (mainly TCG-related) that depict things that can be applied to ''every'' Pokémon, like {{TCG|Owner's Pokémon|being owned by somebody}}, being a Pokémon-EX or a Shiny, Shining or ☆ Pokémon. I believe that what makes the ones in this article different, is that they have characteristics that no other Pokémon has.
:What about "Physical differences" or "List of Pokémon with physical differences"? [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 06:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
::I still think that the title of "Variant Pokémon" is appropriate, and should cover differences within the Pokémon world, not differences that only exist for TCG mechanics. We could create a "Variant Pokémon (TCG)" category (a lot of TCG stuff does that anyway) then just put in a main article link to that category. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Then, you have my support! [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 06:34, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

== Ditto transforming into Spinda ==

What happens when a Ditto uses transform on a Spinda. Does it copy the Spinda's markings, or does the marking its have generate from its own personality values? Why isn't this mentioned in the article? [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] 23:53, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
:It copies the Spinda's markings, i. e. its personality value. This isn't mentioned because it's not relevant. [[User:Duke R|'''|) u |( e''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''®''']] 03:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

== Kami trio abilities/obtaining the Reflecting Mirror ==

There are a few details about the Kami trio's Reijuu Formes that, to the best of my knowledge, are untrue. The first is the bit about hidden abilities. It was my understanding that the Reijuu Formes had the same abilities regardless of where they were obtained, and the hidden abilities were only obtainable by changing the Radar-caught kamis back into Keshin Forme (like how Altered Forme Giratina can have Pressure or Telepathy, but Origin Forme always has Levitate). The second is the part about how to obtain the Reflecting Mirror. It states that a Landorus from the Dream Radar is required to obtain the Mirror. I don't recall anyone ever saying it had to be Landorus specifically; I thought any of the three kamis could be used.

Again, I'm not 100% sure on this which is why I didn't edit the article; I'm only going by what other reliable people (particularly Serebii) have said. If anyone can provide some confirmation either way, it would be appreciated.--'''[[User:Radio Rebel|♪ Radio Rebel ♪]]''' - ''[[User talk:Radio Rebel|Reject the status quo!]]'' 06:06, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
:Landorus is specified in [[a:File:CoroCoroJuly2012Pages40-42.png|this scan]] (top right in the section about the Reflecting Mirror). Not sure specifically where the information about Abilities came from, so I can't check that. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

== Kami Trio ==

My {{p|Tornadus}} that I got from Dream Radar had its normal ability, Regenartor. It says on the article that if a Tornadus originated from Dream Radar, it will have its hidden ability. Is this a glitch? My Tornadus is in its Therian form, but it still has its normal ability. I'm not sure whether or not to note this on the article. Has this happened to anyone else? - [[User:Clubchloe1|'''Club''']][[User talk:Clubchloe1|'''chloe1''']] 18:45, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think Therian Forme has Hidden Ability. I guess it applies to normal form. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:47, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
::I'll take your word for it. But isn't Dream Radar the only way to get the Therian formes of the Kami Trio? I know there some kind of item that can change their formes, called the {{tt|Reflector Mirrow|or something like that}}. - [[User:Clubchloe1|'''Club''']][[User talk:Clubchloe1|'''chloe1''']] 18:53, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:::Reveal Glass (you're referring to the old, Japanese name Reflecting Mirror). Yes, it does change from Incarnate to Therian and vice-versa, but I am not sure how precisely it works. [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] ([[User talk:Marked +-+-+|talk]]) 18:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

Do natures and shininess come from Kyurem or from Reshiram/Zekrom when fusing? [[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 21:10, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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==Formes==
It says "Two new formes" but it does not say "of Kyurem." [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 02:22, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:We won't know if they are formes of Kyurem until a source confirms it. Right now, it's all speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::While it is all speculation they look more like alternate forms of Reshiram and Zekrom instead. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 02:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::[https://twitter.com/#!/Junichi_Masuda/status/173576515219505153 Stated Kyurem here.] But there's debate on whether they're forms or separate Pokémon. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Ah, nice to know then. Wonder if they'll have something to do with Reshiram and Zekrom at all, also looking forward to a bit of change in the overall story plot. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 02:39, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::Well, from what it looks like, it seems that it is combining Zekrom/Reshiram with Kyurem. I wonder how they will do that? Item? Special shrine? But about what Jo said above, they will be forms, as it says in [[Kyurem]]s trivia ''"There is placeholder data for an alternate form of Kyurem in Pokémon Black and White".'' --[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 02:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::Actually, if you watch the trailer for the new movie coming out on the Japanese website, it shows Zekrom and Reshiram's powers going into Kyurem. This further confirms that these are Kyurem's alternate formes, and not Zekrom's our Reshiram's. [[User:Mikk317|Mikk317]] 05:10, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I saw the covers of the games,and the white and black kyurem's on the covers look completely different then normal white kyurem and black kyurem.What gives?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 12:38, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
:There's also two "formes" for Reshiram and Zekrom (lit up and not lit up). They are apparently some "mode" (Formes with forms?). We don't really know much about them yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:44, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

thanks. i thought that Kyurem had 5 formes or something!--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 11:30, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

reshiram and zekrom don't have two forms that is their animation.--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 22:48, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

And in the commercial it shows how kyurem changes from white kyurem without the tubes on the back to the white kyurem on the boxart.--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 23:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Names of mascots ==

Junichi Masuda has stated on Twitter that the names of the new forms are '''White Kyurem''' and '''Black Kyurem'''. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 03:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==Interwiki==
Page is blocked, could you add an interwiki link to [[:it:Pokémon Nero e Bianco 2]]?--[[User:Qwilava|Qwilava]] 08:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Added. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==US website==
Doesn't appear to have been added. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ It's not much, but it's official.] [[User:GoldenCelebi|GoldenCelebi]] 10:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:I am reluctant to add it. It is just a sub-section, unlike [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ this one]. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 11:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Color's for representation. ==

To avoid confusion with Black and White I think the 2 colors that represent this game on Wiki pages should be a blue and red to match the color on each logo and background for the official site. What do you guys think? [[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 12:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:What about if it gets confused instead with the Generation I games Red and Blue? Just pointing out... [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 12:45, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::All I have to say is Ruby and Sapphire. Besides they will be a different shade just like Ruby and Sapphire where and they will also be reversed, being Blue and Red instead of Red and Blue.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 12:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Thank you to the person who changed the color.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 13:14, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Wait, who changed it back and why?[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 13:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Mascots reversed? ==

I just noticed something on [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/46/Kyurem_forms.png the new release]. The Kyurem/Zekrom and Kyurem/Reshiram are reversed. On the original B/W, Zekrom was on the white side, and Reshiram on the black side. Its seems its reversed now.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 15:28, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Yes they are, but this isn't the right place for that discussion. Please go to the forums with comments/questions of this nature. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 15:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== generation ==

why is it under generation v? is there any offical source to this (even though we know it might be true) -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

We don't really know if it is Gen V, but the fact that it uses forms of a Gen V Pokemon as its mascot make if all but confirmed. The way it looks, at least for now, is that they decided to ditch the 3rd game idea for this Gen and instead do two full sequels to BW. If they say these are a new gen or we see completely new Pokemon then we can start talking about this being Gen VI, but as it stands I think we should just leave it be.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 16:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trying to clear up some unconfirmed rumors ==

I suggest a paragraph be added to the article stating something like "There is no confirmation on whether these games are a [[third version]] or not." [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] 20:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

The article doesn't even insinuate that, it says out right that they are second paired versions. 2 games can't be a 3rd version.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 22:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

:What he trying to mean is, most people think that these games are the '"double" 3rd versions, like Platinum, Emerald and Crystal. But if that's so, you mean these are just the continued part of original B&W? There will be a real "third" version? That's almost impossible. {{unsigned|Acellutor}}

== Classification ==

Well,looks like it can have'''3''' types-Dragon+ice+fire\electric.And can it be a new duo or trio with Kyurem or Part of the tao trio?--Shravs [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(New Bark Gym)]] 05:09, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:From sources, Kyurem has two new forms, each resemblin to Zekrom and/or Reshiram. So it would still be within the Tao trio. But 3 types is OP, and awkward considering the type advantages/disadvantages. I would say Kyurem would be Ice/Dragon but retaining the power of it's other form. My speculation point, but I would doubt 3 types. [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 06:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

==European Autumn 2012 Release Confirmed==
Could someone with the powers to edit this page please add that Nintendo UK have confirmed an Autumn 2012 release for this pair? Source: http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/35866/pokemon-black-and-white-2-uk-release-date-is-autumn-2012/ [[User:Ryu Shoji|Ryu Shoji]], 10:56, 27 February, 2012 (BST)
:Done. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:14, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

== North America release confirmed: Fall 2012 ==

The American release window has been confirmed - see this article: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/02/north_america_gets_pokemon_black_and_white_2_this_fall

I'm unable to add it to the article myself, so can someone who is able to edit it add the date?
[[User:NFreak007|NFreak007]] 14:55, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:I just found out about this myself and updated [[n:Pokémon Black and White 2 coming to North America and Europe this autumn|the Bulbanews article]]. This page is now fixed too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:01, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

== Redirect sentence regarding the BW002 episode ==

Greetings, I respectfully disagree with the unitalicising of the English title portion, "Enter Iris and Axew". On this site, all episode titles are italicised when put against regular unitalicised text, and the opposite should be done in this case as in other examples elsewhere in life. [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 15:51, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
:It is already italicized, which is what is used for titles. When it is surrounded by italicized text, it doesn't need to become un-italicized. This is how everything else does it anyway. It is more important to have the title in italics rather than in contrast to regular text. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:23, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

== 3ds or ds ==

will this be on 3ds or ds i need to know {{unsigned|Pokefanboy}}

:It'll be on the [[Nintendo DS]], but will be compatible with the [[Nintendo 3DS]]. Yes, the press release was confusing. By the way, it's a good idea to sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, which is converted into an automatic link to your userpage. {{unsigned|GoldenCelebi}}
:That article mentions this. Don't mean to sound rude, but this is exactly what this site is for. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 18:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

== English artwork ==
Possible to use these artworks? [http://fronttowardsgamer.com/2012/02/27/pokemon-black-and-white-2-announced/ Black & White 2] -- [[User:Chickensdoorknob|ℂℏɨ₡ƙ℮ᵰᵴ∂ⱺ☮яϰŊøɓ]] 23:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
:Those look fanmade. They look nothing like the leaked Japanese boxes and they always use the same. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:02, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
::Those aren't fanmade, actually- they're on [http://www.play-asia.com/Pokemon_White_Version_2/paOS-13-71-ba-49-en-70-4lbh.html Playasia] and other pre-order sites. They're only placeholders, though. Official placeholders, but placeholders nonetheless. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 15:04, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Look at them, they were made in MSPaint. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

== Two official artworks? ==

How come Black Kyurem and White Kyurem have two official artworks? I'm not saying it's a mistake or even a lie, you can easily check that it's true by watching the Flash intro animation of the Japanese website. But that's the issue here: why are there two different yet official artworks for both of Kyurem's new Formes? [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 17:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
:There's also two artworks for Reshiram and Zekrom (lit up and not lit up). They are apparently some "mode" (Formes with forms?). We don't really know much about them yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I have the same opinion. The boxart may be some kind of 'mode' as in 'burst mode'or something. The boxart of White Kyurem looks vaguely similar to the art of primal dialga. The pic aforementioned is present in the bulbapedia archive. Please give ur thoughts on this post.[[User:Auraguardian197|Auraguardian197]]

i think it has to do with its ability. the glowing might be from turboblaze ant terravolt to white/black kyurem respectively. -{{u|deoxys80}}
:It's just their Overdrive mode. Reshiram and Zekrom had the ''exact same thing''. [[:a:File:643Reshiram.png|Normal Reshiram]], [[:a:File:643Reshiram-Activated.png|Overdrive Reshiram]]. [[:a:File:644Zekrom.png|Normal Zekrom]], [[:a:File:644Zekrom-Activated.png|Overdrive Zekrom]]. It has nothing to do with abilities, or moves, or formes. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

Would it be relevant and/or noteworthy to add that these games mark the second time the main series Pokémon games have the number 2 in their names, with the first time being the name initially announced for the original Gold and Silver ('''{{tt|ポケットモンスター２金・銀|Poketto Monsutā 2: Kin Gin}}''' ''Pocket Monsters 2: Gold and Silver'')? Even though the 2 was eventually dropped for Gold and Silver, it was still an official yet temporary name. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 17:49, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
:I'm totally for this. Something like: "These games are the first games in the main series to be released with a "2" in their name, though the Japanese versions of G/S were intended to have tis number in their name but this was dropped before release" ?? As long as there's a nod to the almost-Pkmn 2: G/S thing I think it's a great idea! [[User:Oshawhat?|Oshawhat?]] 09:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== Parameter on the Japanese website URL ==

The URL for the Japanese website does not need the '''?a001=msign''' parameter. Please remove it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 22:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

== Second set of direct sequels? ==

Aren't Black 2 and White 2 the second set of direct sequels in the main series? Gold and Silver are direct sequels to Red and Green (likewise, HeartGold and SoulSilver are direct sequels to FireRed and LeafGreen). The only difference is that they're from separate generations, since for all we know, Black 2 and White 2 are Generation V games like Black and White. If so, shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 22:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
:Considering that it hasn't even really been confirmed that these are sequels, I'd say no. Wait until we know for sure at least. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 00:11, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::Don't worry, I'll wait. I can't edit the article anyway. I was just pointing out this so it can be taken in consideration when we have full details about the games. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 13:56, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

==No info?==

Ummmm... The games are available for preorder. Shouldn't there be info on the storyline and stuff? it's-a me, [[User:Slowbro|anonymous]]
:One would think there would be more info by now, but the reason is simply because no more info has been released. When more info is released it will be added to the article. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:50, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
::We will be getting lots of info next [[Pokémon Smash!]] (they said they would be revealing B2W2 info on that episode). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

==Beta==

This could turn into beta. Any official source confirming that people are making this game? The above [[Special:Contributions/Wildgoose|comment]] is [[User talk: Wildgoose|supported]] by [[User:Wildgoose|Wildgoose]]. 00:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
:Go to the article and scroll to the bottom. There is a list of sources there. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 01:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Australian Release Date ==

In the infobox, it lists the Australian release as Spring 2012. At first this really confused me as I thought only Japan got it this Spring. Because of the different seasons in the Northern and Southern hemisphere, and because a lot of Bulbapedia's users come from the Northern Hemisphere, could we add a tooltip to make it {{tt|Spring 2012|Northern Hemisphere Fall/Autumn}}. I think this would help a lot of people who came to the site. [[User:MajesticRayquaza|''Majestic'']][[User talk:MajesticRayquaza|'''Rayquaza''']] 09:08, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think so. The seasons will become irrelevant once we get an actual date, and the only people who should really be concerned with the release date are the people it applies to (i.e. Oceanians.) Plus it might seem unfair. If we put a note for the Northerners that South Spring = North Autumn, then we should do the same for Southerners that North Autumn = South Spring. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 09:16, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Amazon release date ==

Not sure if this means anything but I just saw that Amazon (through the official Nintendo seller) has the two versions up for pre-order with a release date of December 31, 2012 (I'm not sure if that's their generic date for an unknown release or the actual date though). [[User:OnixPachirisu|OnixPachirisu]] 18:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
:It's just a placeholder so they can take pre-orders. Nintendo already announced a fall (Sept-Nov) release. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 18:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== More Release Date info ==

Per Play-Asia, the Japanese Version's release date is June 23rd, and the US release will be in October: http://www.play-asia.com/paOScore/19-71-8s-49-en-15-Pokemon-43-8s-18-2.html

[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]] 03:09, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
:Well the Japanese release date is true. October does fit for the US, though is Play-asia a good source for information on the US release date? In any case, we'll probably find out about the US release date in a few months. Maybe E3? [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] 17:38, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
::It's been known for like [https://twitter.com/#!/bulbanews/status/179568320293511168 a month now]. Play-Asia is a decent source but I would still prefer to wait for an official source to confirm it, just for precautionary measures. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 17:46, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Update ==
Page needs to be updated with new Coro Coro information. [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] 06:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
:Not yet.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:24, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== Ice cover ==

I don't think the article should say that Unova is engulfed in ice because it says in the Bulbanews article that it is unconfirmed whether that is actually part of the region or it is just there to cover up areas that haven't been revealed yet. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 23:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
:I agree too. There seems to be a confusion. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 23:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
From a talk page it says that CoroCoro confirmed the ice is only to cover upcoming stuff--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 17:12, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:::According to {{u|Umeko}}'s Nihongo-fu: ''What Corocoro says in reference to the ice is essentially "What in the world is with the map freezing over? Has something strange happened?!"'' [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

what is a Umeko's Nihongo-fu?--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 20:59, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
* Umeko is a person, and "Nihongo" is the Japanese word for "Japanese". It's an attempt by Umeko at translating it from Japanese. [[User:Rickie-d|Rickie-d]] 01:19, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

i think that it is just covering new areas otherwise there would be no Pokemon league [[User:Ultinuc|Ultinuc]] 01:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

== Towns ==

I am 99.9% certain that there are 3 towns in Southwest Unova, not 2. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

It says at least 2 towns.--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 20:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I see three towns but the one below Driftveil City could also be something similar to Cold Storage. [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 08:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

=="2"==
I think that Black ＆ White 2 is a reference to this version taking place 2 years after Black ＆ White. [[User:Ethan12|Ethan12]] 14:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
:Or... it's because they are the sequels to Black and White? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 18:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== Images ==

I don't know if I'm doing this right, but... maybe these images can be used in the article?

<gallery>
File:B2W2 Prerelease theater.png|The theater?
File:B2W2 Prerelease VS Rival.png|The male player character and the rival's VS sprites
File:B2W2 Prerelease field.png|The player character meeting the rival
File:B2W2 Prerelease Akuroma.png|Akuroma...
File:B2W2 Prerelease Castelia Central Plaza.png|The player meets Akuroma in Castelia
File:B2W2 Prerelease floating town.png|The player meets Shizui
File:B2W2 Prerelease blocked road.png|The player and Akuroma in an unknown location
File:B2W2 Prerelease Homika Gym.png|Homika's gym
File:B2W2 Prerelease beach town Gym.png|Possibly outside Shizui's gym
File:B2W2 Prerelease beach cave.png|The player character, the rival and Shizui in a beach, near to the entrance of a cave
</gallery>

--[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 19:56, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
That depends.did you get these pictures from a reliable source? [[User:Pokabu218|Pokabu218]] 14:56, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/ I think so.] --[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 15:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

It looks like the official Japanese black2 and white2 so I would say those pictures are valid but I'm not sure so I would ask help from another editor.

[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/ They're from the japanese Pokémon website.] What do you think? --[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 19:45, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

== Starters ==

Are the starters for black and white 2 tepig oshawott and snivy because pokemon smash shows it.--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 01:59, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
:Obviously. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:12, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

==battle animations?==

I guess constant battle animations are confirmed, due to the trailer? [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 02:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
The Trainers seem to be animated too. ''Drakko'' 11:00, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

== English Cover ==

The english Cover is revealed: http://www.wog.ch/nas/cover_large/ds/ds_pokemonblack2.jpg --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] 18:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:Can you please provide the source of the picture? [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 18:27, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes: http://www.wog.ch/index.cfm/details/product/28172-Pokemon-Schwarze-Edition-2 and http://www.softridge.ch/c1-/p4880/pokemon-schwarze-edition-2.html --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] 18:29, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:IMO it looks like placeholder boxart, because it doesn't match the Japanese artwork (which is usually does). There is also a watermark in the image. I would wait for a more official source to confirm it. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 18:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree also because it is rating pending by ESRB but it shows a rating in the bottom right corner [[User:Pokabu218|Pokabu218]] 14:37, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
:That's not an ESRB rating. It's PEGI. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 16:13, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Your right. I noticed that after I made the comment but did not have the time to fix it. [[User:Pokabu218|Pokabu218]] 17:44, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

== Unova Ice unconfirmed. ==

(Yeah, I know somebody already posted something like this...)
I don't think we should say that Unova is engulfed in ice, unless that is specifically confirmed. Maybe the ice is just there to cover up the other changes of Unova just for now, and I think if that much of Unova was covered in ice, there would only be like, three gyms. I think we should remove the part saying that part of Unova is covered in ice, because that is just speculation from the art, we have no proof that this is confirmed. [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] 07:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
:"I think if that much of Unova was covered in ice, there would only be like, three gyms." Castelia, Nimbasa, Driftveil, Mistralton and Opelucid aren't covered in ice. And there will be two new leaders, Shizui and Homika, totalizing seven citites with gyms that aren't covered in ice. Maybe the Icirrus gym will be still active, as it's an Ice-type gym... --[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 15:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
::God, there are still people who believe that they really destroyed half of Unova? God... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
:::"The Unova region ''appears'' to have changed greatly." (From the article; italics mine.) It does actually imply that it's inferred from the map, although I agree it's a little ambiguous. -- [[User:GoldenCelebi|Golden]][[User talk:GoldenCelebi|Celebi]] 17:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
::::Guys, this is turning into a speculation discussion. Unless you have undeniable proof one way or the other, please take this to the forums and stop the discussion here. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::Can I at least change it to say: "In this time, the Unova region appears to have changed greatly, being engulfed by a large amount of ice coming from the north east'', however, it was never confirmed that the this is true, as the ice may not actually exist, and was put on the Unova map to prevent too many spoilers.''" ? [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] 00:23, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::No. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::: As it stands, the article reads as though Unova actually being engulfed in actual ice rather than just the map is a confirmed thing, which it isn't. Couldn't we reword that bit somehow so it doesn't sound like we know for sure? Actually, maybe it should just not be mentioned at all until we know what we're talking about. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 02:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::::: ''In this time, the Unova region '''appears''' to have changed greatly, being engulfed by a large amount of ice coming from the north east'', the appears part signals the unconfirmed factor. The article is fine as is. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 02:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
It looks like it's confirmed: it says on the Japanese official site that the ice was caused two years after Black & White involving an 'accident' in the rural areas. ''Drakko'' 10:59, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
:It doesn't say it is actually covered in ice, simply that there was an accident in the rural areas. We will withhold adding that it is confirmed until we get undeniable proof either way. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:33, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
::The new trailer seems to indicate that the ''buildings'' are covered in ice, rather than the entire landmass being under a glacier like the art suggests. You may still be able to traverse the land, but I'm not sure if there will be people there [[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 16:41, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Can this pic be used?

<gallery>
File:RivalBW2.png|rival from opening.
</gallery>

== Characters and Pokedex additions? ==

1) Already been mentions on this page, [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/ BW Characters]. Menu bar on left, if it wasn't obvious.

2) [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/pokemon/pokemon01.html Pokedex with additional Pokemon] (?) <s>the pokedex looks pretty epic</s>

These should be added to the page somewhere; it's from the Japanese webpage. EDIT: By that I mean more better description of these on the article

[[User:Umbreon126|Umbreon126]] 04:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

:Until everything is revealed, then we add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

== Spring 2012 ==

Australia are getting these games before Japan? An Admin needs to change this[[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]]
:Spring in Northern Hemisphere = Autumn in Southern Hemisphere. This has been explained multiple times, and should be common knowledge. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:33, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
::Yes it should be. I could care less either way, but it should be put up so we can stop getting these questions. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 19:55, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Your message doesn't make sense. We don't need to put up any sort of notes and disclaimers because people should already know the season differences the hemispheres have. Do we need to explain why the sky is blue in the anime? Not only that, but it is rude to our readers in the Southern Hemisphere. We don't put any sort of disclaimers that Autumn in the Northern Hemisphere means their Spring. They already know the difference. I'm not going to alter the information just because of someone else's ignorance. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 20:02, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
::::How does it not make sense. It should and is common knowledge, but multiple people obviously don't get the difference. It's a waste to continually have this page cluttered with this issue. This is the third time (IIRC) this question has been asked on this page, the forums see it multiple times as well. It's annoying to see this question asked numerous times every week. Putting something up would stop people from asking about this and stop all the useless posts on this. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:39, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>bobs his head out of the shadows* Hi, I'm from the far lands, also known as the Southern Hemisphere. Things in here, despite what they might seem like, are the opposite to the Northern Hemisphere (at least in the weather department, no, food doesn't eat people here -that's only in Rand McNally-). Stuff such as S. H. related articles and release dates for this side of the world are kept in the Southern Hemisphere standards so that we don't get confused as to when either things get released or... well... mostly dates, Australia and New Zealand amongst few others speak English, so it's a bit unfair for them. This is something you learn in elementary school, if they don't know it, tough luck, they do now. So yeah, we are not changing the seasons for them to fit the Northern Hemisphere standards. Besides, once the games are released, we'll see the actual dates, so there will be no place for confusion. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 20:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

== Helpful-ish ==

On {{tt|the pages|*can't be bothered to link to them*}} that Umbreon126 noted a couple of sections above, it says something about the 3DS in the bottom right. Not being able to read Japanese, I don't know what it says, but it ''could'' be helpful. Maybe. -- [[User:GoldenCelebi|Golden]][[User talk:GoldenCelebi|Celebi]] 16:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
:It just means that the game is compatible with the 3DS. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 16:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

== Forest Minccino ==

At about 1:01 in the trailer, the player approaches what seems to be a Minccino in a forest. I don't have Black or White, so I don't know if this is like [[Peeko]] or not. Can somebody help me with this? [[User:Pringles|プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్]] 20:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
:That event wasn't in the first BW at all, so we have no idea if it's like Peeko or what. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 14:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

==New Kami trio formes?==

Allegedly, this is the cover of next month's CoroCoro: [http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/20120511-143126.jpg]

Note the bottom left ;)

[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]] 05:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
:We are aware of that scan but it can easily be fake and it has been done a lot of times in the past as well. Besides, there is still some time in the ''actual'' CoroCoro scans to arrive. That is why the optimum choice would be to wait. Also, please do not link to other fansites since they are "not" completely reliable. Thank you, have a nice day ahead. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 06:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

== English Release Date ==

On Amazon it says that the release date is December 31, 2012... Should someone add it? Or is it fake? [[User:Pringles|プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్]] 00:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:I'm thinking that is most likely a place holder date so they can accept pre-orders and such. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:38, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
::Definitely a placeholder. GameStop stores around me have October 2. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 00:48, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

== Starters ==

Nope, there's no new starters. They're the same as Black and White, according to a Nintendo website. {{unsigned|AWild------Appeared}}
:[[Talk:Pokémon Black and White Versions 2#Starters|We know.]] -- [[User:GoldenCelebi|Golden]][[User talk:GoldenCelebi|Celebi]] 16:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

== New info - please update ==

As seen [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ here] AR Searcher will be released as Pokémon Dream Radar. When Black Kyurem and White Kyurem have the cool glowing lights, it is known as "Overdrive Mode" --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] 14:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:By cool glowing lights do you mean the tube-like things that attach from their tails to their torsos? -[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 16:57, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

== English Boxart ==

Here are the US boxarts for Pokémon Black 2 and White 2. It isn't the greatest quality, but I couldn't find better. [[User:Z1ggyZ00|Z1ggyZ00]] 21:38, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

[[File:Pokemon White 2 Boxart EN.png|200px]]
[[File:Pokemon Black 2 Boxart EN.png|200px]]

I've found some '''much''' bigger versions, which can be seen [http://i.imgur.com/KSbC3.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/gooUp.jpg here]. But they'll need to be cropped before they can be used in the article. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] 10:07, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== Minor thing ==

The word "mode" in Overdrive Mode should be capitalised. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ Proof is in the character art gallery here.] - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 22:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== More Formes? WTF Bianca? ==

Well according to Serebii, there are new "Sacred Beast Formes" for Tornadus, Thunderus, and Landorus, Also with the new Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 animation out, it seems Bianca gives out the Starters in B2W2 and that Cheren is the first Gym Leader. {{unsigned|Alsuke}}
:1. Serebii isn't an official source, so don't bother referencing it here. 2. That name is merely a fan translation. Not official. 3. We already know everything else you just said. Check their articles. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== World Tournament Info ==

Just think it might be better to revise the current blurb on the World Tournament since it seems like more will be available. At present Sabrina isn't confirmed to be challengable, and the inclusion of Volkner, Lance, Cynthia and Steven opens it up to more regions. Maybe it's just better to say Gym Leaders and other Trainers/Champions from the other regions.
[[User:Clark Griswald|Clark Griswald]] 17:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== Name to: Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 Versions ==

I think that would be a more accurate name, as the versions are more commonly (from what I've seen) referred to as Black 2 and White 2, not Black and White 2. Wikipedia too have referred to the games as Black 2 and White 2.
I propose a name change, anyone else agree? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 18:56, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
:[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ The word Version comes before the 2.] This is an official link and it's really all that matters. Besides, Black 2 and White 2 already redirect here. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 19:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
::Ah okay. Although they didn't redirect here, I got that covered. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 19:15, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== Mistakes ==

"In this time, the Unova region appears to have changed greatly. The northeast and a small area of the far west are covered on the map, and it is not yet confirmed if the ice is simply covering changes that will be revealed later or if it is actually present in the region."

You managed to forgot to specify that they are ''covered in ice'', leaving that minor detail totally unsaid until the next part of the sentence, where it makes no sense.

Along with that... "Southwest" is all one word. The article switches from future tense (the games will) to present (the Pokédex is) to future again. If you're going to protect an article then write a good one. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 23:51, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
:I see your point, but that snippy last part you added was not necessary and a bit rude. We'll fix the article as soon as possible. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions

2012-05-20T16:55:01Z

NotSteve: /* Cartridge colour trivia */

I can't find on the am3 site where the Sept. 28 date is. Please provide an explanation. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 16:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Can someone fix the formatting? ==

I don't know if this is just my browser or what, but there's a overlap in the "Connectivity" section. The "''Diamond and Pearl also feature connectivity to Pokémon Ranger...''" part (and the two "edit" links for that section) is partially blocked by the the StrategyWiki box. I don't know enough about formatting to fix it myself, but could someone else do so?
:Might be your browser. What do you use? --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::Firefox 2 at normal zoom. [http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9892/messupok3.gif Here's what I see (circled problem area)] -[[User:Ringtails|Ringtails]] 05:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, it happens for me, too, I run Firefox 2 as well. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Can't be helped, I think. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== Transferring Pokemon from GBA to DS ==

can it be any pokemon game on the gba?
or just FireRed LeafGreen or Emerald?
please help.
[[User:Carluverdrm2004|Carluverdrm2004]] 21:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:...Of course all of them. Why would it be only FR, LG and Emerald?--[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 22:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Just that you can't do the Red and Blue, Gold and Silver game boy games on it. Unsigned comment by {{u|Maryland157}}
:GBC games don't fit in the DS slot. All GBA games do so all Generation III games are fine. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 16:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

:Too bad Nintendo can't create a machine where you insert your R/B/Y/G/S/C game in one slot and your Generation III in another slot or your D/P card above the empty Gen III slot (you can only transfer from either Gen I and II to Gen III or to Gen IV). A Small '''Plasma''' TV (Like the ones at the demo stations in stores) would be situated above the machine. Once you insert the Gen I or II Game Pak and Gen IV Game Card into the machine, you would turn on the machine and an option would appear (you would control the menu with a Gamecube controller [don't ask why...]) to transfer the Pokemon to your DS card. Say '''YES''' and the boxes from the Game Pak would appear. You would choose the Pokemon you want to transfer to your DS Card (same Pal Park rules APPLY!!!) and say '''YES''' two times. Once the machine has done its thing, the machine will turn off and you'd remove your game card and game pak. Once this is done, you'd take out your DS, insert the card, turn it on, bypass the screens, start your game, and go to pal park. And, hey, presto, before you know it your pre-GEN III pokemon would be in your Gen IV card! [[User:MudkipNDS|themaestro2.0]] 20:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

::Whatever, whatever. Don't advertise YouTube videos here. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 21:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

== singapore release two days eariler! ==
in singapore diamond pearl can be found in stores on 21st april, around 9am since most store open at that time. that is around 9pm on 20 april in the US! any countries release eariler that the US? [[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 01:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:Amazon decided to give everybody their copies on the 21st.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] 07:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)'

::I got my copy from a GameZone on April 18! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 21:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Manaphy Giveaway ==
Should we add something about the {{p|Manaphy}} giveaway at Toys R Us? --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 21:15, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Linking Question ==

Can you do link-up trades and battles with just One Game Pak on Pearl and Diamond? [[User:Evil Sonic|'''Evil Sonic''']] 00:33, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:You should ask someone directly on their talkpage.[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']] 00:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::It's been a looong time since somebody didn't ask on a user's talk page. Because then anyone can answer here, not just the owner of that said talk page. *coughs a little, since she um, breaks that sometimes*
::Anyway. What do you mean by just one game pak..? [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 00:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

(Sorry for not asking someone on their talk page) By one Game Pak I mean , one person has the game and the other person chooses the download play option to link with the game. [[User:Evil Sonic|'''Evil Sonic''']] 01:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:I see. Ask [[User:TTEchidna|TTEchidna]], he ''knows'' everything.[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']] 01:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Ah. No, then. You can't download D/P like that.
::Also, um, don't you think asking TTE for everything is a little.. I dunno. Kind of 'hey, there's OTHER people too.'. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 01:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Of course. But I can't think of anyone else right now.[[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''maniac''']][[User:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''1''']][[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Riddle|'''0''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|'''2''']] 01:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::[[BMGf]], maybe? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 01:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

== New Version ==

Pokemon.com has admitted 2 a new pokemon version! If you don't believe me, click here:[[http://www.pokemon.com/#mailbag_02042008]][[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 14:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

:O RLY?
:Guess what. Bulbapedia isn't here for speculation. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 14:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
It's just an annonucement, cuz everyone thinks that d/p is it. It's not.[[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 15:31, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
::Judging by the URL, that mailbag came out February 4, 2008. I think that they were talking about the sequels to Pokémon Mysterious Dungeon. [[User:Ultraflame|Ultraflame]] 04:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:::What about this speculation?? *Pokémon Platinum, set for September release. Giratina on the box* --{{SUBST::User:Keirou/sig}} 16:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Many Pokemon Websites are saying that blueskY has info of the 3rd Game '''BUT''' this just a '''rumor'''
1.The name of the new play will be "Pokémon Platinium", as already Giratina had been said will be the protagonist of the game, it is expected that this play leave in September.

2.Volkner leaves the Sunyshore City Gym and a new leader take his place, like what happened in Pokémon Emerald with Wallace.

3.The Sinnoh underground will be able to enjoy with Wi-Fi.

4.There Will Be a new called island "Battle Island" that will have the same function as the "Battle Frontier"

5.The game will have the new forms of the protagonists of the Eleventh Movie will appear: the Alternate form of Giratina, the Flying form of Regigigas?, and the other form of Shaymin,is said that it will be an Ice type, while the new forms of Giratina and Regigigas will have the Ability of Levitation.
Sounds better than D/P

'''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''
:It also sounds like a tremendous hoax. We shouldn't add anything to the pages just yet. Coro-Coro will be running the official story in five days, so we should be able to get at least a little information then. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 23:16, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
::I know blueskY said that even though i have heard of it
'''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''
:::Well The scans are up on the internet now, seems like it is confirmed. --[[User:Keirou|Keirou]] 17:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I still feel like there's room for doubt.. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_%28disambiguation%29 Read the disambiguation at the bottom.''[[User:David aipom|David]]
''Aipom

:That was added in ''February'' by an anonymous IP. I'm not sure how reliable we can call that. Platinum... I mean, it just doesn't seem to fit with the other two. And who would the version mascot be, anyway? Only four more days, then we can start adding information. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 20:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:P.S. When someone added Platinum to the {{wp|Pokémon video game series}} page, it was removed less than half a day afterwards. My guess is that whoever did it missed the disambig page, and would have removed it anyway. I don't want to come across as a prick here; I'm as anxious for DPv3 as any of you. I just think we should wait for solid information. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Matronimos, I agree that Platinum doesn't seem to fit with Diamond and Pearl but then can you say that Crystal went with Gold and Silver, (crystal should be named platinum)and Crystal should be the name of this game as it goes well diamond pearl crystal, however obviously Nintendo didn't plan it this far in advance.

So if it was to be linked and fit with Diamond and Pearl than it should be opal (especially as that is connected to Giritina).
:Yeah, I didn't think of the Crystal thing until afterwards. I believe it'll still be Opal, as they already have Giratina in place the way they had Rayquaza last time, while they seem to have picked Suicune at random for Crystal (I doubt they were planning a third version when they made Gold and Silver, although that had become part of a pattern by the next generation). But that's not the point. It could be that I'm absolutely wrong, and it will be Platinum, have Cresselia for a a mascot, and have a wi-fi underground that screws over the players of the other two versions. We can't add any of that, though, because it's unconfirmed. In three days, though, we'll have our answer (broken record much?). --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 18:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I told U, but did U believe me? noooo. Oh and number 5 has 2 be faked, as pokemon with different sprites in different games are rare, and nintendo wants 2 keep it that way.[[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 20:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, number 5 is the only one I think is plausible. And the game you pointed out was just Mystery Dungeon 2. That's already out in English, I believe. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 01:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Cave Entrances? ==

Well the guy that put that on the article (Diamond and Pearl are the first games to have cave entrances facing east and west)obviously hasn't played FR/LG as [[Lost Cave]] has them already. Well was that really important? xD '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:That's ''inside'' Lost Cave, not the entrance. DP have the entrances, from the outside, on the sides. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

== Connectivity between Korean and non-Korean versions ==

The article refers that a non-Korean Pokémon name on a Korean version or that a Korean Pokémon name on a non-Korean version will appear as empty spaces. How is this possible? Why didn't Nintendo patch this? And yes, I know that Nintendo of Korea is only about two and half years old. BTW, has this drawback been fixed in Platinum, from what is known at the moment? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 21:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm no expert or anything, but maybe they mean that there are '''no''' letters/characters where the Korean ones were. [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| Fi-ray ]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE| ►strike! ]] 21:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== is this trivia worthy? ==

I just notice this with the English version. On the box, right next to the Pokémon logo it has the ® logo. And the in game screen it has the ™ logo. What do you think? --[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 08:22, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

== Would this be trivia? ==

On the battle menu, the fight button is red, the run is blue, the pokémon is green and the bag is orange or yellow. Possibly a generation 1 reference?--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 06:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:I never thought about that. I think it could be!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 06:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::Should a higher up agree on it?--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 07:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Well of course everything using those color combinations refers to the first generation.... red, blue, green and yellow are very generic colors. I don't think this is worthy of a mention every single time. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:37, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Yea you're right, red, blue, yellow, and green are common colors. So never mind about it.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 03:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Today's figures on sales? ==

I was just wonder if it was possible for someone to find up to date sale figures of D/P because this is only up to 2007. [[User:Water type Master|Water type Master]] 12:12, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Is this right? ==

The blurb on my Diamond says:
"as you search for the Pokémon that rules space in Pokémon Diamond Version."
Was there some mistake? Did they mess it up? Last I checked, Dialga ruled time.[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(チャット)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 09:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:[http://nishdesignz.com/pfz/%5B09.01.13%5D%20Mewtwo%20-%20%5BXMAS08%5D%20Pokemon%20Diamond%20&%20Wifi%20Link%20&%20DS%20Charger/5%20-%20Pokemon%20Diamond%20Back.jpg This] image begs to differ. [[User:Smashman|Smashman]] 10:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
::I have a picture too. I can't upload it at the moment, as I'm on the Wii, but I'll try tomorrow. I'm telling you, it says space.--[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(チャット)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 09:43, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
::[http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/063/c/7/WTF__by_Pokelova.jpg Here] it is.I told you so.--[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(チャット)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 04:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Are both of your games the USA version, or do they come from another country? I just checked my Canadian Pearl case, and it actually doesn't get specific. Just "...as you search for the Pokémon that rules in Pokémon Pearl Version." [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 04:42, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Mine'll be the Australian version, since I'm living in NZ, right?--[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(チャット)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 06:31, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::I suppose. The cartridge should say. [[User:Virtual-Z|'''Virtual-''']][[User_talk:Virtual-Z|'''Z''']] 06:39, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::I have the '''Australian''' version of Pokémon Diamond, and I mine has that error too. It should be trivia worthy, as it definatly is an error. {{tt|The Austrlian Pearl, however, is correct.|I have both Diamond and Pearl Australian versions, and they both say space}} [[Image:Bag Adamant Orb Sprite.png|Adamant Orb]][[User:Takharii|''' たかはりい ''']] [[User talk:Talkharii|'''talk''']] 07:11, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::::::: The trivia states that this error 'was corrected' on the boxart of other regions. Was the Australian boxart the first to be made? Since I don't think anyone knows that I changed it to 'this error is not present on the boxart of other regions'. [[User:Synner|Synner]] 16:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Cartridge colour trivia ==

They were the fist Pokemon games without a special cartridge matching the games colour, or holofoil sticker.

I don't really know how to word it, so I'll let someone else. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:49, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:Actually, I've just noticed ''The storage media is not colored.'', so forget I wrote anything... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:52, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::Eh? My Diamond game cartridge has a holofoil sticker. Maybe I am wrong. :O --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 23:54, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Ah no wonder. I think I'm mixing the Japanese and English game cartridges. :O --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 23:55, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I worded it a little better. -[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 16:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

== Dark/Psychic/Fighting starter Pokémon ==

I am not completely sure, but i think this was pure speculation, so why is it mentioned on the page? If i am wrong, please link me to the official source mentioning that. [[User:Renoir|Renoir]] 12:41, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions

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NotSteve: /* Trivia */

:''This article is about the [[Generation IV]] {{pkmn|games}}. For other uses, see [[Diamond and Pearl]].''
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{{Infobox_game |colorscheme=diamond|bordercolorscheme=pearl
|name=Pokémon Diamond Version
|name2=Pokémon Pearl Version
|jname=ポケットモンスターダイヤモンド
|jname2=ポケットモンスターパール
|boxart=DiamondUS.jpg
|boxart2=PearlUS.jpg
|caption=Pokémon Diamond Version's boxart, [[version mascot|featuring]] {{p|Dialga}}
|caption2=Pokémon Pearl Version's boxart, [[version mascot|featuring]] {{p|Palkia}}
|jbox=Diamond boxart.png
|jbox2=Pearl boxart.png
|jcaption=Boxart of Pocket Monsters Diamond
|jcaption2=Boxart of Pocket Monsters Pearl
|platform=[[Nintendo DS]]
|category=RPG
|players=1-4 players simultaneous
|link_method=[[DS Wireless Communications|DS Wireless]], [[Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection]], [[dual-slot mode]]
|developer=[[Game Freak]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]]
|gen_series=[[Generation IV]] [[version|main series]]
|cero=A
|esrb=E
|pegi=3+
|oflc=PG
|grb=ALL
|release_date_ja=September 28, 2006<ref>[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/ds/dp/ Pokémon.co.jp]</ref>
|release_date_na=April 22, 2007<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/us/games/videogame-pokemontm-diamond-version-and-pokemontm-pearl-version/ Pokémon.com (US)]</ref>
|release_date_au=June 21, 2007<ref>[http://gonintendo.com/?p=16729#more-16729 Go-Nintendo]</ref>
|release_date_eu=July 27, 2007<ref>[http://www.pokemon.com/uk/games/videogame-pokemontm-diamond-version-and-pokemontm-pearl-version/ Pokémon.com (UK)]</ref>
|release_date_kr=February 14, 2008
|website_ja=[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/ds/dp/ Pokémon.co.jp] [http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/adaj/ Nintendo.co.jp]
|website_en=[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-diamond-version-and-pokemon-pearl-version/ Pokémon.com] [https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/Sw8fLPiPMydfaiwZREgJ2N6Q-wwFePWC Nintendo.com (Diamond)] [https://www.nintendo.com/games/detail/ANA0hHm9pZ9bCYJUbKSuTAo7G8uqJOHV Nintendo.com (Pearl)]
}}
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{{StrategyWiki|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl}}
'''Pokémon Diamond Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターダイヤモンド''' ''Pocket Monsters Diamond'') and '''Pokémon Pearl Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターパール''' ''Pocket Monsters Pearl'') are the first [[main series]] Pokémon RPGs released on the [[Nintendo DS]], beginning [[Generation IV]]. The games were released in Japan on September 28, 2006 and in North America on April 22, 2007. They take place in the region of [[Sinnoh]] and the {{player}}'s starting area is [[Twinleaf Town]].

==Plot==
{{spoiler}}
At the start, the player sees a [[television|newscast]] about a sighting of a [[Shiny Pokémon|red]] {{p|Gyarados}}. The player then heads to his or her {{ga|Barry|best friend}}'s house and goes to [[Lake Verity]] with him to see if there are any similar Pokémon living in it. Once there, two wild {{p|Starly}} attack. Nearby is a briefcase containing [[Starter Pokémon|three Pokémon]] that the two choose from to fight off the {{type2|Flying}}s. As is always the case, the player's best friend, who becomes the rival, takes the Pokémon that has a type advantage over the player's choice. The professor's assistant, who is the alternate-[[gender]] player character of the player, takes the remaining starter. After the Starly is defeated, the two return to Twinleaf Town with [[Professor Rowan]]'s briefcase. Back in Twinleaf Town the player's mother gives him or her a pair of [[Running Shoes]], and then the player leaves for Sandgem Town to return the briefcase. After meeting Professor Rowan, he gives the player the Pokémon chosen at the lake to keep and a [[Pokédex]]. This sets one of the primary aims of the game, completing the Pokédex. The player then sets off to explore Sinnoh and defeat [[Gym Leader]]s in order to advance further in the plot, challenge the [[Elite Four]] and become the {{pkmn|Champion}} of Sinnoh.

During the course of the game, there are many conflicts with the evil [[Team Galactic]] and its leader, [[Cyrus]]. When the power of {{p|Dialga}}{{sup|D}} or {{p|Palkia}}{{sup|P}}, summoned by Cyrus, begins to overwhelm Sinnoh, {{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}} and {{p|Azelf}} appear and negate the power flow, and the player must catch or defeat the [[Legendary Pokémon|legendary]].

After the player defeats the Elite Four, there are further activities to pursue. These mainly concern the capture of previously unavailable Pokémon, extra features such as the Poké Radar, exploration of previously inaccessible places such as the [[Fight Area|Fight]], [[Survival Area|Survival]], and [[Resort Area|Resort Areas]] and the perfection of battle skills in the {{si|Battle Tower}}.

==Blurb==
===Game box blurb===
''"Welcome to the next [[Generation IV|generation]] of Pokémon! As a rookie [[Pokémon Trainer]], you will need to catch, train and battle Pokémon on your journey to become the [[Pokémon Champion|Pokémon League Champion]]. You will face many challenges along the way, as you search for the Pokémon that rules time or space in Pokémon Diamond Version or Pokémon Pearl Version. Discover more than 100 new Pokémon in the [[Sinnoh]] region. Meet goals and earn the ability to import Pokémon from your GBA [[version]]s! Battle and trade with your friends around the world using [[Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection]]!"''

===Game manual blurb===
"Your adventure begins" In this world live creatures called Pokémon. Humans and Pokémon have lived, worked, and played together in harmony for ages. Nevertheless, there are still numerous mysteries surrounding them. In order to find out more about these creatures, many scientists-such as Professor Rowan of Sandgem Town-have dedicated their lives to Pokémon research.

One day, in search of a rare Pokémon, you and your friend take a hike around the lake close to your town. While looking around the lakeside, you see two strangers talking about Pokémon. After they leave, you realize that they left a briefcase behind. You and your talk about what to do with the briefcase.

In Pokémon Diamond/Pearl, you can choose from either a boy or girl. No matter which one you choose, there is no difference in the story. However, it is recommended that you choose a character with the same gender as you. Pokémon Diamond/Pearl uses the clock feature of the DS system. Please do not change the DS system you are using or change the time setting of your DS system. This will affect your adventure such as how Berries grow in the game.

==Connectivity==
[[{{ns:6}}:Pokémon Pearl.jpg|right|thumb|North American Pokémon Pearl DS card]]

* Diamond and Pearl are compatible with the [[Generation III|Game Boy Advance Pokémon RPGs]] after seeing the first 150 Pokémon in the Sinnoh Pokédex. The GBA cartridge is inserted into the GBA slot of the Nintendo DS, while Diamond or Pearl is in its DS card slot to upload Pokémon. There is also a feature where if there is a certain Pokémon cartridge in the GBA slot, a certain Pokémon will appear in a certain area. An example is when {{game3|FireRed and LeafGreen|Pokémon FireRed|s}} is in the GBA slot, wild {{p|Arbok}} will appear in the [[Great Marsh]] area in [[Pastoria City]].
* Pokémon uploads are restricted to six per 24-hour period per GBA cartridge, and the player will have to re-capture such transferred Pokémon in [[Pal Park]] located at the end of {{rt|221|Sinnoh}} before transferring from another GBA game.
** However there is a [[Pal Park Glitch|way]] to bypass this restriction.
* Pokémon knowing any of the [[Generation III]] [[HM]] [[move]]s ({{m|Cut}}, {{m|Fly}}, {{m|Surf}}, {{m|Strength}}, {{m|Flash}}, {{m|Rock Smash}}, {{m|Waterfall}}, and {{m|Dive}}) cannot be transferred; therefore, it is necessary to go to the [[Move Deleter]] in [[Fuchsia City]] or [[Lilycove City]] to remove them before transfer.
* The player cannot transfer any of the Pokémon back to the GBA cartridge once they are transferred to their Diamond/Pearl copy; the transfer is permanent.
* While a GBA game is in the DS, [[dual-slot mode]] activates and it becomes possible to capture Pokémon in the wild in Sinnoh that do not natively appear, though this may only happen after the [[National Pokédex]] is obtained.
* The DS's native support for Wi-Fi is employed, allowing players to trade, battle and communicate using "voice chat" online.
* Diamond and Pearl feature wireless connectivity to [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], much as their predecessors connected to the [[Nintendo 64]] and [[Nintendo GameCube]] and their respective battle arena games.
* Diamond and Pearl feature a global trading system, which allows trainers to search for any Pokémon they want, or put up one of their own Pokémon for trade for any Pokémon. Players of other games can search for the Pokémon that others have put onto the [[Global Terminal|Global Trade Station]].
* Diamond and Pearl feature connectivity to {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}. By completing a special mission in Ranger, an {{pkmn|Egg}} can be sent from Ranger to Diamond or Pearl, where it can be hatched into the legendary Pokémon, {{p|Manaphy}}.
* Diamond and Pearl also feature connectivity to [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]. By completing three special missions in the game, a {{p|Manaphy}} {{pkmn|Egg}}, a {{p|Riolu}} with {{m|Aura Sphere}} and a {{p|Darkrai}} with {{m|Dark Void}} can be sent from the game to Diamond or Pearl.
* Diamond and Pearl also feature connection to the [[Wii|WiiWare]] title [[My Pokémon Ranch]], in which Pokémon can be raised and stored in a farm-like environment, much like [[Generation III]]'s {{g|Box Ruby & Sapphire}}.

==Features==
The day-night system first appearing in [[Generation II]] returns, with the same three [[time]] periods, but better transitioning between them. A new multifunction device called the [[Pokétch]], short for Pokémon Watch, is also introduced. The [[Pokémon professor|regional Professor]]'s name is [[Professor Rowan]], after [[wp:Rowan|a tree]] like the others, and he allows the player and his or her rival to keep the [[starter Pokémon]] they used against attacking wild Pokémon at the beginning of the game.

A new battle system is used for Pokémon Diamond and Pearl. In this new battle system, attacks are declared either physical or special by how the attack itself operates, i.e. whether the attack touches the enemy or not, instead of the attack type, as was previously the case. For example, {{m|ThunderPunch}} is now [[physical move|physical]] and {{m|Hyper Beam}} turns into [[special move|special]]. This was initially highly controversial with fans of the series, as it was considered to "waste" some of the Pokémon that were more powerful in [[Generation III]], like {{p|Blaziken}} and {{p|Sceptile}}, though it now allows for a more versatile set of moves to be viable for these Pokémon.

Though it was reported initially that the games would feature {{t|Dark}}/{{t|Psychic}}/{{t|Fighting}} starters, this is not the case. The games retain the starters in the type trio of previous generations, {{t|Grass}}/{{t|Fire}}/{{t|Water}}, this time being {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Chimchar}}, and {{p|Piplup}}, respectively.

===Contests===
{{main|Pokémon Super Contest}}
In Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, a significant amount of changes have been made to the Pokémon Contests introduced in [[Generation III]], now known as Super Contests.

Instead of making [[Pokéblock]]s with berries, berry-flavored muffins called [[Poffin]] are made. This is done in [[Hearthome City]], though not within the contest hall, instead it is done at the Poffin House, which is near the Pokémon Center in Hearthome. Using the DS's touchscreen, players must stir the Poffin as directed by arrows that appear.

The first round of the contests themselves is similar to the first round in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald, but instead of relying solely on contest stats, Pokémon must be dressed up using [[Accessory|accessories]] with the stylus within a time limit. Each particular contest will require different accessories, and higher ranks may require more to be put on the Pokémon.

The second round is a dancing round, using buttons on the touch screen to either perform a dance that the others will find hard to mimic (if the player's Pokémon is the main dancer) or to copy the lead Pokémon's dance moves. Each Pokémon gets a turn at being the leader, and the leader must try to dance in time with the music, and so, obviously, so do the background dancers. The A, B, X, and Y buttons also work.

The third round is very similar to the appeals round in Generation III, and the main difference is that there are three judges and only four appeals, rather than one judge and five appeals. A Pokémon will get more points if it is the only Pokémon to perform for a particular judge, less if another one appeals for that judge and so on. The crowd system is still in place, but this time, each judge has a different meter, making it both potentially risky and potentially rewarding to appeal to a judge that all of the other Pokémon are appealing to. In addition, Pokémon will receive bonus points for appeals regardless of the impression on the judge, and points are not added simply for raising a judge's "voltage."

===New Gyms===
As is always the case, there are eight new [[Gym]]s in Sinnoh, each with their own type affiliation. The new [[Gym Leader]]s are [[Roark]] ({{t|Rock}}), [[Gardenia]] ({{t|Grass}}), [[Maylene]] ({{t|Fighting}}), [[Crasher Wake]] ({{t|Water}}), [[Fantina]] ({{t|Ghost}}), [[Byron]] ({{t|Steel}}), [[Candice]] ({{t|Ice}}) and [[Volkner]] ({{t|Electric}}).

===Elite Four===
The new [[Elite Four]] is located at the [[Pokémon League (Sinnoh)|Pokémon League]]. The Elite trainers are [[Aaron (Elite Four)|Aaron]] ({{t|Bug}}), [[Bertha]] ({{t|Ground}}), [[Flint (Elite Four)|Flint]] ({{t|Fire}}) and [[Lucian]] ({{t|Psychic}}); the {{pkmn|Champion}} is [[Cynthia]], who has Pokémon of multiple types.

===New Pokémon===
:: ''See [[List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Pokédex number]] and [[List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number]]''
As the first [[Generation IV]] games, Diamond and Pearl were the first sightings of 107 new Pokémon, bringing the total amount to 493.

The new Pokémon began being unveiled in 2004, with the release of ''[[M07|Destiny Deoxys]]'' in Japan, where {{p|Munchlax}} was revealed.

{{cat|Generation IV Pokémon|Fourth-generation Pokémon}} continued being unveiled in 2005, with the Japanese release of ''[[M08|Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]]''. The movie featured {{p|Lucario}}, {{p|Bonsly}}, {{p|Mime Jr.}} and {{p|Weavile}}.

2006 was crunch time for the fourth generation. The ninth movie, ''[[M09|Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]]'', featured {{p|Manaphy}}, {{p|Mantyke}}, {{p|Buizel}} and {{p|Chatot}}, and {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} were soon confirmed to be on the two games' [[Version mascot|boxart]]. On September 27, all 107 of the new Pokémon's menu icons were revealed on [[Filb.de]].

During the week that followed the games' Japanese release, [[Serebii.net]] featured a "Discovery Trench" that revealed the names and stats of many of the previously-unknown Pokémon to the general public.

====[[Version-exclusive Pokémon|Version exclusives]]====
The following Pokémon are only obtainable in one game of this pair. In order to obtain Pokémon exclusive to the other game of this pair, they must be traded either from that game or from another compatible game of [[Generation IV]] which has that Pokémon available. Alternatively, all Pokémon released prior to these games may be migrated from a [[Generation III]] game.

{| align="center"
|- align="center" valign="top"
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{diamond color}}; {{roundy|1em}}; border: 5px solid #{{diamond color light}};"
|-
! Diamond
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{diamond color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentrytm|086|Seel|1|Water|}}
{{Moveentrytm|087|Dewgong|2|Water|Ice}}
{{Moveentrytm|123|Scyther|2|Bug|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|198|Murkrow|2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|212|Scizor|2|Bug|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|246|Larvitar|2|Rock|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|247|Pupitar|2|Rock|Ground}}
{{Moveentrytm|248|Tyranitar|2|Rock|Dark}}
{{Moveentrytm|261|Poochyena|1|Dark|}}
{{Moveentrytm|262|Mightyena|1|Dark|}}
{{Moveentrytm|304|Aron|2|Steel|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|305|Lairon|2|Steel|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|306|Aggron|2|Steel|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|352|Kecleon|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|408|Cranidos|1|Rock|}}
{{Moveentrytm|409|Rampardos|1|Rock|}}
{{Moveentrytm|430|Honchkrow|2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|434|Stunky|2|Poison|Dark}}
{{Moveentrytm|435|Skuntank|2|Poison|Dark}}
{{Moveentrytm|483|Dialga|2|Steel|Dragon}}
|}
|}
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{pearl color}}; {{roundy|1em}}; border: 5px solid #{{pearl color light}};"
|-
! Pearl
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{pearl color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentrytm|079|Slowpoke|2|Water|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|080|Slowbro|2|Water|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|127|Pinsir|1|Bug|}}
{{Moveentrytm|199|Slowking|2|Water|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|200|Misdreavus|1|Ghost|}}
{{Moveentrytm|228|Houndour|2|Dark|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|229|Houndoom|2|Dark|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|234|Stantler|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|363|Spheal|2|Ice|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|364|Sealeo|2|Ice|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|365|Walrein|2|Ice|Water}}
{{Moveentrytm|371|Bagon|1|Dragon|}}
{{Moveentrytm|372|Shelgon|1|Dragon|}}
{{Moveentrytm|373|Salamence|2|Dragon|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|410|Shieldon|2|Rock|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|411|Bastiodon|2|Rock|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|429|Mismagius|1|Ghost|}}
{{Moveentrytm|431|Glameow|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|432|Purugly|1|Normal|}}
{{Moveentrytm|484|Palkia|2|Water|Dragon}}
|}
|}
|}

==Compatibility==
Trading exists between Diamond and Pearl Versions through the [[Nintendo DS]]'s internal wireless connection. It connects to {{game|Platinum}}, {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}} in the same manner. {{pkmn|Egg}}s received from {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}} and its sequels are also sent through wireless. Diamond and Pearl also have the ability to connect to the {{wp|internet}} using [[Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection]], and can also connect to [[Wii]] consoles. Due to improvements in international linking, some {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} can have [[Meister|foreign Pokédex entries]].

Diamond and Pearl also maintain backward compatibility with the [[Generation III]] games; however, standard trading is not allowed. A player's Pokémon may be permanently transferred via [[Pal Park]], and some Pokémon that could previously not be caught can be found using the [[dual-slot mode]].

Also, by connecting to the Wii with a Nintendo DS, players can copy their [[party]] Pokémon to their copy of [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]], as well as [[My Pokémon Ranch]]. However, only Diamond and Pearl are compatible with My Pokémon Ranch, while Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold and SoulSilver are all compatible with Pokémon Battle Revolution.

==Reception==
Pokémon Diamond and Pearl were critically well received, with Nintendo Power calling them "the ultimate Pokémon experience." <ref>[http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ds/pokemondiamond?q=pokemon 1 Pokemon Diamond (ds) reviews at Metacritic.com] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> The inclusion of Wi-Fi features and the voice chat feature were also praised. However, the games were criticized for their somewhat basic graphics, with IGN commenting "if you're looking for impressive visuals you're not going to get them."<ref>[http://uk.ds.ign.com/articles/782/782443p2.html IGN: Pokemon Diamond Version Review] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> Despite this, Diamond and Pearl received a "Great" score of 8.5/10 on the site.<ref>[http://ds.ign.com/objects/707/707323.html Pokemon Diamond | Pokemon Diamond Version (2007)] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref>

According to {{wp|Famitsu}}, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl sold 1,586,360 units in the four days after its release. On December 27, 2006, it was announced that the two games combined became the first Nintendo DS games to hit five million units shipped.<ref>[http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2006/12/27/103,1167202517,65081,0,0.html 『ポケットモンスターダイヤモンド･パール』の出荷本数が500万本を突破！ ] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref>

Sales of Pokémon Diamond and Pearl in Japan exceeded the five million mark in the 29th week of sales (April 9 - 15, 2007).<ref>[[Bulbanews]]: [[n:Diamond, Pearl sales cross 5 million mark in Japan|Diamond, Pearl sales cross 5 million mark in Japan]] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref> In the United States, over 533,000 pre-orders were taken before release<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20070425074506/http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=11981 NINTENDO ADVISES POKÉMON FANS: PRE-ORDERS TOP 500,000] (Wayward archive) (retrieved January 13, 2010)</ref>, and one million copies were sold within five days. By the end of April 2007, the US release of Pokémon Diamond had sold approximately 1.045 million copies, and Pokémon Pearl had sold approximately 712 thousand copies.<ref>[[Bulbanews]]: [[n:NPD Group sales data for April 2007 revealed|NPD Group sales data for April 2007 revealed]] (retrieved December 21, 2009)</ref>

===Japanese sales===
: ''Source: [http://www.enterbrain.co.jp/ Enterbrain] via [http://www.famitsu.com/game/rank/top30/ ファミ通　ゲームソフト本数ランキング TOP30]
{| {{bluetable2|r}}
|-
!
! Week ending
! Units sold
! Total units sold
|-
! 1
| October 1, 2006
| 1,575,266
| 1,575,266
|-
! 2
| October 8, 2006
| 466,273
| 2,041,539
|-
! 3
| October 15, 2006
| 275,494
| 2,317,033
|-
! 4
| October 22, 2006
| 231,979
| 2,549,012
|-
! 5
| October 29, 2006
| 203,214
| 2,752,226
|-
! 6
| November 5, 2006
| 183,048
| 2,935,294
|-
! 7
| November 12, 2006
| 124,738
| 3,060,032
|-
! 8
| November 19, 2006
| 101,133
| 3,161,145
|-
! 9
| November 26, 2006
| 110,946
| 3,272,091
|-
! 10
| December 3, 2006
| 100,215
| 3,372,306
|-
! 11
| December 10, 2006
| 151,036
| 3,523,342
|-
! 12
| December 17, 2006
| 225,228
| 3,748,570
|-
! 13
| colspan="3" class="c bg2" | N/A
|-
! 14
| December 31, 2006
| 554,245
| 4,302,815
|-
! 15
| January 7, 2007
| 214,274
| 4,517,089
|-
! 16
| January 14, 2007
| 58,725
| 4,575,814
|-
! 17
| January 21, 2007
| 49,050
| 4,624,864
|-
! 18
| January 28, 2007
| 48,783
| 4,673,647
|-
! 19
| February 4, 2007
| 45,467
| 4,719,114
|-
! 20
| February 11, 2007
| 43,947
| 4,763,061
|-
! 21
| February 18, 2007
| 39,553
| 4,802,614
|-
! 22
| February 25, 2007
| 33,444
| 4,836,058
|-
! 23
| March 4, 2007
| 33,470
| 4,869,528
|-
! 24
| March 11, 2007
| 28,774
| 4,898,302
|-
! 25
| March 18, 2007
| 24,119
| 4,922,421
|-
! 26
| March 25, 2007
| 27,440
| 4,949,861
|-
! 27
| April 1, 2007
| 24,641
| 4,974,502
|-
! 28
| April 8, 2007
| 22,012
| 4,996,514
|-
! 29
| April 15, 2007
| 18,874
| 5,015,388
|-
! 30
| April 22, 2007
| 20,342
| 5,035,730
|-
! 31
| colspan="3" class="c bg2" | N/A
|-
! 32
| May 6, 2007
| 61,040
| 5,096,770
|}

==Trivia==
* Diamond and Pearl are the first games where:
**The rival's starter Pokémon is not at level 5 during the first rival battle.
**The cartidge uses the standard grey color that nintendo has packed most of their games in since the release of the NES. Indeed, it appears only Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum ''will'' use this color, as the subsequent games utilize black cartridges for their shiny labels, and cartridges for the Nintendo 3DS are cast in a lighter grey plastic.
**The lab of the region's [[Pokémon Professor]] is not in the player's hometown.
**All three starter Pokémon gain a second type through evolution and are utilized in the storyline.
* Pokémon Diamond and Pearl contain many references to {{wp|Internet meme}}s and {{wp|chatspeak}}. This is possibly because the lead translator, [[Nob Ogasawara]], is a member of the {{wp|Something Awful|Something Awful Forums}}.
* The leaders and [[Elite Four#Sinnoh Elite Four|Elite Four]] of Sinnoh do not always use Pokémon of their specialized type. This problem was fixed in {{v2|Platinum}} with an [[List of Pokémon by Sinnoh Pokédex number#Platinum expansion|expansion]] added to the Pokédex.
* Diamond and Pearl are the first main series Pokémon games that require their saved data to be deleted before saving a new game. However, the first in the series to have such requirement were [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team]].
* Korean characters do not appear in non-Korean games and vice-versa; they appear as empty spaces.
* Diamond and Pearl are also the first two games in which [[baby Pokémon]] previously available only through {{pkmn|breeding}} can be found in the wild, if one doesn't count catching {{p|Wynaut}} on [[Mirage Island]] in the Hoenn-based games.
**Also, certain Pokémon that normally [[Evolution|evolve]] via [[Trade|trading]] may be caught in the wild as well.
* The international versions of Diamond and Pearl are the first main Pokémon games to capitalize the names of proper nouns normally (e.g. Ultra Ball as opposed to ULTRA BALL). However, Pokémon names are still written in all capital letters due to backward compatibility with previous games.
*On the back cover of the Australian release of Pokémon Diamond, it states "...as you search for the Pokémon that rules ''space'' in Pokémon Diamond Version." This is an error, as it should say "...as you search for the Pokémon that rules ''time'' in Pokémon Diamond Version." This error is not present on the boxart of other regions.
* Diamond and Pearl, along with the Japanese version of Platinum, are the most compatible Pokémon games, as they can connect with seventeen other games: all main series games of Generation III, IV, and V; the Pokémon Ranger games; [[Pokémon Battle Revolution]]; and [[Pokémon Ranch]].

===In other languages===
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==See Also==
* [[Appendix:Diamond and Pearl walkthrough|Pokemon Diamond and Pearl Walkthrough]]

==References==
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User:NotSteve

2012-05-20T16:42:44Z

NotSteve: /* Current Projects */

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[[File:Spr 5b 533.png]] Please Pardon Our Dust: Currently Renovating

== Current Projects ==

[[File:Spr 5b 571.png]]Working on a more detailed synopsis for [[m13|Master of Illusions]]. Should be done before April (Hopefully).

== SoulSilver Team ==
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== Favorite Pokémon ==
My usertags area is becoming a bit cluttered, so here's a chart!

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Talk:Pokémon Black and White Versions 2

2012-05-20T16:41:32Z

NotSteve: /* Unova Ice unconfirmed. */

{{forums notice|June 23, 2012}}

==Formes==
It says "Two new formes" but it does not say "of Kyurem." [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 02:22, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:We won't know if they are formes of Kyurem until a source confirms it. Right now, it's all speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::While it is all speculation they look more like alternate forms of Reshiram and Zekrom instead. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 02:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::[https://twitter.com/#!/Junichi_Masuda/status/173576515219505153 Stated Kyurem here.] But there's debate on whether they're forms or separate Pokémon. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Ah, nice to know then. Wonder if they'll have something to do with Reshiram and Zekrom at all, also looking forward to a bit of change in the overall story plot. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 02:39, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::Well, from what it looks like, it seems that it is combining Zekrom/Reshiram with Kyurem. I wonder how they will do that? Item? Special shrine? But about what Jo said above, they will be forms, as it says in [[Kyurem]]s trivia ''"There is placeholder data for an alternate form of Kyurem in Pokémon Black and White".'' --[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 02:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::Actually, if you watch the trailer for the new movie coming out on the Japanese website, it shows Zekrom and Reshiram's powers going into Kyurem. This further confirms that these are Kyurem's alternate formes, and not Zekrom's our Reshiram's. [[User:Mikk317|Mikk317]] 05:10, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I saw the covers of the games,and the white and black kyurem's on the covers look completely different then normal white kyurem and black kyurem.What gives?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 12:38, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
:There's also two "formes" for Reshiram and Zekrom (lit up and not lit up). They are apparently some "mode" (Formes with forms?). We don't really know much about them yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:44, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

thanks. i thought that Kyurem had 5 formes or something!--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 11:30, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

reshiram and zekrom don't have two forms that is their animation.--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 22:48, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

And in the commercial it shows how kyurem changes from white kyurem without the tubes on the back to the white kyurem on the boxart.--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 23:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Names of mascots ==

Junichi Masuda has stated on Twitter that the names of the new forms are '''White Kyurem''' and '''Black Kyurem'''. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 03:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==Interwiki==
Page is blocked, could you add an interwiki link to [[:it:Pokémon Nero e Bianco 2]]?--[[User:Qwilava|Qwilava]] 08:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Added. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==US website==
Doesn't appear to have been added. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ It's not much, but it's official.] [[User:GoldenCelebi|GoldenCelebi]] 10:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:I am reluctant to add it. It is just a sub-section, unlike [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ this one]. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 11:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Color's for representation. ==

To avoid confusion with Black and White I think the 2 colors that represent this game on Wiki pages should be a blue and red to match the color on each logo and background for the official site. What do you guys think? [[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 12:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:What about if it gets confused instead with the Generation I games Red and Blue? Just pointing out... [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 12:45, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::All I have to say is Ruby and Sapphire. Besides they will be a different shade just like Ruby and Sapphire where and they will also be reversed, being Blue and Red instead of Red and Blue.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 12:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Thank you to the person who changed the color.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 13:14, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Wait, who changed it back and why?[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 13:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Mascots reversed? ==

I just noticed something on [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/46/Kyurem_forms.png the new release]. The Kyurem/Zekrom and Kyurem/Reshiram are reversed. On the original B/W, Zekrom was on the white side, and Reshiram on the black side. Its seems its reversed now.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 15:28, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Yes they are, but this isn't the right place for that discussion. Please go to the forums with comments/questions of this nature. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 15:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== generation ==

why is it under generation v? is there any offical source to this (even though we know it might be true) -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

We don't really know if it is Gen V, but the fact that it uses forms of a Gen V Pokemon as its mascot make if all but confirmed. The way it looks, at least for now, is that they decided to ditch the 3rd game idea for this Gen and instead do two full sequels to BW. If they say these are a new gen or we see completely new Pokemon then we can start talking about this being Gen VI, but as it stands I think we should just leave it be.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 16:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trying to clear up some unconfirmed rumors ==

I suggest a paragraph be added to the article stating something like "There is no confirmation on whether these games are a [[third version]] or not." [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] 20:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

The article doesn't even insinuate that, it says out right that they are second paired versions. 2 games can't be a 3rd version.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 22:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

:What he trying to mean is, most people think that these games are the '"double" 3rd versions, like Platinum, Emerald and Crystal. But if that's so, you mean these are just the continued part of original B&W? There will be a real "third" version? That's almost impossible. {{unsigned|Acellutor}}

== Classification ==

Well,looks like it can have'''3''' types-Dragon+ice+fire\electric.And can it be a new duo or trio with Kyurem or Part of the tao trio?--Shravs [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(New Bark Gym)]] 05:09, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:From sources, Kyurem has two new forms, each resemblin to Zekrom and/or Reshiram. So it would still be within the Tao trio. But 3 types is OP, and awkward considering the type advantages/disadvantages. I would say Kyurem would be Ice/Dragon but retaining the power of it's other form. My speculation point, but I would doubt 3 types. [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 06:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

==European Autumn 2012 Release Confirmed==
Could someone with the powers to edit this page please add that Nintendo UK have confirmed an Autumn 2012 release for this pair? Source: http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/35866/pokemon-black-and-white-2-uk-release-date-is-autumn-2012/ [[User:Ryu Shoji|Ryu Shoji]], 10:56, 27 February, 2012 (BST)
:Done. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:14, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

== North America release confirmed: Fall 2012 ==

The American release window has been confirmed - see this article: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/02/north_america_gets_pokemon_black_and_white_2_this_fall

I'm unable to add it to the article myself, so can someone who is able to edit it add the date?
[[User:NFreak007|NFreak007]] 14:55, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:I just found out about this myself and updated [[n:Pokémon Black and White 2 coming to North America and Europe this autumn|the Bulbanews article]]. This page is now fixed too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:01, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

== Redirect sentence regarding the BW002 episode ==

Greetings, I respectfully disagree with the unitalicising of the English title portion, "Enter Iris and Axew". On this site, all episode titles are italicised when put against regular unitalicised text, and the opposite should be done in this case as in other examples elsewhere in life. [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 15:51, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
:It is already italicized, which is what is used for titles. When it is surrounded by italicized text, it doesn't need to become un-italicized. This is how everything else does it anyway. It is more important to have the title in italics rather than in contrast to regular text. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 03:23, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

== 3ds or ds ==

will this be on 3ds or ds i need to know {{unsigned|Pokefanboy}}

:It'll be on the [[Nintendo DS]], but will be compatible with the [[Nintendo 3DS]]. Yes, the press release was confusing. By the way, it's a good idea to sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, which is converted into an automatic link to your userpage. {{unsigned|GoldenCelebi}}
:That article mentions this. Don't mean to sound rude, but this is exactly what this site is for. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 18:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

== English artwork ==
Possible to use these artworks? [http://fronttowardsgamer.com/2012/02/27/pokemon-black-and-white-2-announced/ Black & White 2] -- [[User:Chickensdoorknob|ℂℏɨ₡ƙ℮ᵰᵴ∂ⱺ☮яϰŊøɓ]] 23:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
:Those look fanmade. They look nothing like the leaked Japanese boxes and they always use the same. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:02, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
::Those aren't fanmade, actually- they're on [http://www.play-asia.com/Pokemon_White_Version_2/paOS-13-71-ba-49-en-70-4lbh.html Playasia] and other pre-order sites. They're only placeholders, though. Official placeholders, but placeholders nonetheless. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 15:04, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Look at them, they were made in MSPaint. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

== Two official artworks? ==

How come Black Kyurem and White Kyurem have two official artworks? I'm not saying it's a mistake or even a lie, you can easily check that it's true by watching the Flash intro animation of the Japanese website. But that's the issue here: why are there two different yet official artworks for both of Kyurem's new Formes? [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 17:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
:There's also two artworks for Reshiram and Zekrom (lit up and not lit up). They are apparently some "mode" (Formes with forms?). We don't really know much about them yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I have the same opinion. The boxart may be some kind of 'mode' as in 'burst mode'or something. The boxart of White Kyurem looks vaguely similar to the art of primal dialga. The pic aforementioned is present in the bulbapedia archive. Please give ur thoughts on this post.[[User:Auraguardian197|Auraguardian197]]

i think it has to do with its ability. the glowing might be from turboblaze ant terravolt to white/black kyurem respectively. -{{u|deoxys80}}
:It's just their Overdrive mode. Reshiram and Zekrom had the ''exact same thing''. [[:a:File:643Reshiram.png|Normal Reshiram]], [[:a:File:643Reshiram-Activated.png|Overdrive Reshiram]]. [[:a:File:644Zekrom.png|Normal Zekrom]], [[:a:File:644Zekrom-Activated.png|Overdrive Zekrom]]. It has nothing to do with abilities, or moves, or formes. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

Would it be relevant and/or noteworthy to add that these games mark the second time the main series Pokémon games have the number 2 in their names, with the first time being the name initially announced for the original Gold and Silver ('''{{tt|ポケットモンスター２金・銀|Poketto Monsutā 2: Kin Gin}}''' ''Pocket Monsters 2: Gold and Silver'')? Even though the 2 was eventually dropped for Gold and Silver, it was still an official yet temporary name. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 17:49, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
:I'm totally for this. Something like: "These games are the first games in the main series to be released with a "2" in their name, though the Japanese versions of G/S were intended to have tis number in their name but this was dropped before release" ?? As long as there's a nod to the almost-Pkmn 2: G/S thing I think it's a great idea! [[User:Oshawhat?|Oshawhat?]] 09:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== Parameter on the Japanese website URL ==

The URL for the Japanese website does not need the '''?a001=msign''' parameter. Please remove it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 22:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

== Second set of direct sequels? ==

Aren't Black 2 and White 2 the second set of direct sequels in the main series? Gold and Silver are direct sequels to Red and Green (likewise, HeartGold and SoulSilver are direct sequels to FireRed and LeafGreen). The only difference is that they're from separate generations, since for all we know, Black 2 and White 2 are Generation V games like Black and White. If so, shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 22:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
:Considering that it hasn't even really been confirmed that these are sequels, I'd say no. Wait until we know for sure at least. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 00:11, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::Don't worry, I'll wait. I can't edit the article anyway. I was just pointing out this so it can be taken in consideration when we have full details about the games. [[User:Pokemon lover|Sato]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|Mew]] 13:56, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

==No info?==

Ummmm... The games are available for preorder. Shouldn't there be info on the storyline and stuff? it's-a me, [[User:Slowbro|anonymous]]
:One would think there would be more info by now, but the reason is simply because no more info has been released. When more info is released it will be added to the article. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:50, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
::We will be getting lots of info next [[Pokémon Smash!]] (they said they would be revealing B2W2 info on that episode). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

==Beta==

This could turn into beta. Any official source confirming that people are making this game? The above [[Special:Contributions/Wildgoose|comment]] is [[User talk: Wildgoose|supported]] by [[User:Wildgoose|Wildgoose]]. 00:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
:Go to the article and scroll to the bottom. There is a list of sources there. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 01:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Australian Release Date ==

In the infobox, it lists the Australian release as Spring 2012. At first this really confused me as I thought only Japan got it this Spring. Because of the different seasons in the Northern and Southern hemisphere, and because a lot of Bulbapedia's users come from the Northern Hemisphere, could we add a tooltip to make it {{tt|Spring 2012|Northern Hemisphere Fall/Autumn}}. I think this would help a lot of people who came to the site. [[User:MajesticRayquaza|''Majestic'']][[User talk:MajesticRayquaza|'''Rayquaza''']] 09:08, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think so. The seasons will become irrelevant once we get an actual date, and the only people who should really be concerned with the release date are the people it applies to (i.e. Oceanians.) Plus it might seem unfair. If we put a note for the Northerners that South Spring = North Autumn, then we should do the same for Southerners that North Autumn = South Spring. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 09:16, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Amazon release date ==

Not sure if this means anything but I just saw that Amazon (through the official Nintendo seller) has the two versions up for pre-order with a release date of December 31, 2012 (I'm not sure if that's their generic date for an unknown release or the actual date though). [[User:OnixPachirisu|OnixPachirisu]] 18:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
:It's just a placeholder so they can take pre-orders. Nintendo already announced a fall (Sept-Nov) release. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 18:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== More Release Date info ==

Per Play-Asia, the Japanese Version's release date is June 23rd, and the US release will be in October: http://www.play-asia.com/paOScore/19-71-8s-49-en-15-Pokemon-43-8s-18-2.html

[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]] 03:09, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
:Well the Japanese release date is true. October does fit for the US, though is Play-asia a good source for information on the US release date? In any case, we'll probably find out about the US release date in a few months. Maybe E3? [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] 17:38, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
::It's been known for like [https://twitter.com/#!/bulbanews/status/179568320293511168 a month now]. Play-Asia is a decent source but I would still prefer to wait for an official source to confirm it, just for precautionary measures. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 17:46, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Update ==
Page needs to be updated with new Coro Coro information. [[User:Dragonace|Dragonace]] 06:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
:Not yet.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 07:24, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

== Ice cover ==

I don't think the article should say that Unova is engulfed in ice because it says in the Bulbanews article that it is unconfirmed whether that is actually part of the region or it is just there to cover up areas that haven't been revealed yet. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 23:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
:I agree too. There seems to be a confusion. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 23:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
From a talk page it says that CoroCoro confirmed the ice is only to cover upcoming stuff--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 17:12, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:::According to {{u|Umeko}}'s Nihongo-fu: ''What Corocoro says in reference to the ice is essentially "What in the world is with the map freezing over? Has something strange happened?!"'' [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 17:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

what is a Umeko's Nihongo-fu?--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 20:59, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
* Umeko is a person, and "Nihongo" is the Japanese word for "Japanese". It's an attempt by Umeko at translating it from Japanese. [[User:Rickie-d|Rickie-d]] 01:19, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

i think that it is just covering new areas otherwise there would be no Pokemon league [[User:Ultinuc|Ultinuc]] 01:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

== Towns ==

I am 99.9% certain that there are 3 towns in Southwest Unova, not 2. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

It says at least 2 towns.--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 20:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I see three towns but the one below Driftveil City could also be something similar to Cold Storage. [[User:Ariano|Ariano]] 08:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

=="2"==
I think that Black ＆ White 2 is a reference to this version taking place 2 years after Black ＆ White. [[User:Ethan12|Ethan12]] 14:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
:Or... it's because they are the sequels to Black and White? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 18:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== Images ==

I don't know if I'm doing this right, but... maybe these images can be used in the article?

<gallery>
File:B2W2 Prerelease theater.png|The theater?
File:B2W2 Prerelease VS Rival.png|The male player character and the rival's VS sprites
File:B2W2 Prerelease field.png|The player character meeting the rival
File:B2W2 Prerelease Akuroma.png|Akuroma...
File:B2W2 Prerelease Castelia Central Plaza.png|The player meets Akuroma in Castelia
File:B2W2 Prerelease floating town.png|The player meets Shizui
File:B2W2 Prerelease blocked road.png|The player and Akuroma in an unknown location
File:B2W2 Prerelease Homika Gym.png|Homika's gym
File:B2W2 Prerelease beach town Gym.png|Possibly outside Shizui's gym
File:B2W2 Prerelease beach cave.png|The player character, the rival and Shizui in a beach, near to the entrance of a cave
</gallery>

--[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 19:56, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
That depends.did you get these pictures from a reliable source? [[User:Pokabu218|Pokabu218]] 14:56, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/ I think so.] --[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 15:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

It looks like the official Japanese black2 and white2 so I would say those pictures are valid but I'm not sure so I would ask help from another editor.

[http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/ They're from the japanese Pokémon website.] What do you think? --[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 19:45, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

== Starters ==

Are the starters for black and white 2 tepig oshawott and snivy because pokemon smash shows it.--[[User:Poke1|Poke1]] 01:59, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
:Obviously. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:12, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

==battle animations?==

I guess constant battle animations are confirmed, due to the trailer? [[User:Pringles|Pringles]] 02:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
The Trainers seem to be animated too. ''Drakko'' 11:00, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

== English Cover ==

The english Cover is revealed: http://www.wog.ch/nas/cover_large/ds/ds_pokemonblack2.jpg --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] 18:24, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:Can you please provide the source of the picture? [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 18:27, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes: http://www.wog.ch/index.cfm/details/product/28172-Pokemon-Schwarze-Edition-2 and http://www.softridge.ch/c1-/p4880/pokemon-schwarze-edition-2.html --[[User:Altruis|Altruis]] 18:29, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:IMO it looks like placeholder boxart, because it doesn't match the Japanese artwork (which is usually does). There is also a watermark in the image. I would wait for a more official source to confirm it. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 18:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree also because it is rating pending by ESRB but it shows a rating in the bottom right corner [[User:Pokabu218|Pokabu218]] 14:37, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
:That's not an ESRB rating. It's PEGI. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 16:13, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Your right. I noticed that after I made the comment but did not have the time to fix it. [[User:Pokabu218|Pokabu218]] 17:44, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

== Unova Ice unconfirmed. ==

(Yeah, I know somebody already posted something like this...)
I don't think we should say that Unova is engulfed in ice, unless that is specifically confirmed. Maybe the ice is just there to cover up the other changes of Unova just for now, and I think if that much of Unova was covered in ice, there would only be like, three gyms. I think we should remove the part saying that part of Unova is covered in ice, because that is just speculation from the art, we have no proof that this is confirmed. [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] 07:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
:"I think if that much of Unova was covered in ice, there would only be like, three gyms." Castelia, Nimbasa, Driftveil, Mistralton and Opelucid aren't covered in ice. And there will be two new leaders, Shizui and Homika, totalizing seven citites with gyms that aren't covered in ice. Maybe the Icirrus gym will be still active, as it's an Ice-type gym... --[[User:PenblooeR|PenblooeR]] 15:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
::God, there are still people who believe that they really destroyed half of Unova? God... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
:::"The Unova region ''appears'' to have changed greatly." (From the article; italics mine.) It does actually imply that it's inferred from the map, although I agree it's a little ambiguous. -- [[User:GoldenCelebi|Golden]][[User talk:GoldenCelebi|Celebi]] 17:50, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
::::Guys, this is turning into a speculation discussion. Unless you have undeniable proof one way or the other, please take this to the forums and stop the discussion here. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::Can I at least change it to say: "In this time, the Unova region appears to have changed greatly, being engulfed by a large amount of ice coming from the north east'', however, it was never confirmed that the this is true, as the ice may not actually exist, and was put on the Unova map to prevent too many spoilers.''" ? [[User:Zarthga|Zarthga]] 00:23, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::No. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 00:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::: As it stands, the article reads as though Unova actually being engulfed in actual ice rather than just the map is a confirmed thing, which it isn't. Couldn't we reword that bit somehow so it doesn't sound like we know for sure? Actually, maybe it should just not be mentioned at all until we know what we're talking about. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 02:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::::: ''In this time, the Unova region '''appears''' to have changed greatly, being engulfed by a large amount of ice coming from the north east'', the appears part signals the unconfirmed factor. The article is fine as is. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 02:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
It looks like it's confirmed: it says on the Japanese official site that the ice was caused two years after Black & White involving an 'accident' in the rural areas. ''Drakko'' 10:59, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
:It doesn't say it is actually covered in ice, simply that there was an accident in the rural areas. We will withhold adding that it is confirmed until we get undeniable proof either way. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:33, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
::The new trailer seems to indicate that the ''buildings'' are covered in ice, rather than the entire landmass being under a glacier like the art suggests. You may still be able to traverse the land, but I'm not sure if there will be people there [[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 16:41, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Can this pic be used?

<gallery>
File:RivalBW2.png|rival from opening.
</gallery>

== Characters and Pokedex additions? ==

1) Already been mentions on this page, [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/characters/ BW Characters]. Menu bar on left, if it wasn't obvious.

2) [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/b2w2/pokemon/pokemon01.html Pokedex with additional Pokemon] (?) <s>the pokedex looks pretty epic</s>

These should be added to the page somewhere; it's from the Japanese webpage. EDIT: By that I mean more better description of these on the article

[[User:Umbreon126|Umbreon126]] 04:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

:Until everything is revealed, then we add it.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

== Spring 2012 ==

Australia are getting these games before Japan? An Admin needs to change this[[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]]
:Spring in Northern Hemisphere = Autumn in Southern Hemisphere. This has been explained multiple times, and should be common knowledge. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:33, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
::Yes it should be. I could care less either way, but it should be put up so we can stop getting these questions. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 19:55, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Your message doesn't make sense. We don't need to put up any sort of notes and disclaimers because people should already know the season differences the hemispheres have. Do we need to explain why the sky is blue in the anime? Not only that, but it is rude to our readers in the Southern Hemisphere. We don't put any sort of disclaimers that Autumn in the Northern Hemisphere means their Spring. They already know the difference. I'm not going to alter the information just because of someone else's ignorance. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 20:02, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
::::How does it not make sense. It should and is common knowledge, but multiple people obviously don't get the difference. It's a waste to continually have this page cluttered with this issue. This is the third time (IIRC) this question has been asked on this page, the forums see it multiple times as well. It's annoying to see this question asked numerous times every week. Putting something up would stop people from asking about this and stop all the useless posts on this. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:39, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>bobs his head out of the shadows* Hi, I'm from the far lands, also known as the Southern Hemisphere. Things in here, despite what they might seem like, are the opposite to the Northern Hemisphere (at least in the weather department, no, food doesn't eat people here -that's only in Rand McNally-). Stuff such as S. H. related articles and release dates for this side of the world are kept in the Southern Hemisphere standards so that we don't get confused as to when either things get released or... well... mostly dates, Australia and New Zealand amongst few others speak English, so it's a bit unfair for them. This is something you learn in elementary school, if they don't know it, tough luck, they do now. So yeah, we are not changing the seasons for them to fit the Northern Hemisphere standards. Besides, once the games are released, we'll see the actual dates, so there will be no place for confusion. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 20:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

== Helpful-ish ==

On {{tt|the pages|*can't be bothered to link to them*}} that Umbreon126 noted a couple of sections above, it says something about the 3DS in the bottom right. Not being able to read Japanese, I don't know what it says, but it ''could'' be helpful. Maybe. -- [[User:GoldenCelebi|Golden]][[User talk:GoldenCelebi|Celebi]] 16:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
:It just means that the game is compatible with the 3DS. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 16:12, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

== Forest Minccino ==

At about 1:01 in the trailer, the player approaches what seems to be a Minccino in a forest. I don't have Black or White, so I don't know if this is like [[Peeko]] or not. Can somebody help me with this? [[User:Pringles|プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్]] 20:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
:That event wasn't in the first BW at all, so we have no idea if it's like Peeko or what. [[User:Yamiidenryuu|Yamiidenryuu]] 14:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

==New Kami trio formes?==

Allegedly, this is the cover of next month's CoroCoro: [http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/20120511-143126.jpg]

Note the bottom left ;)

[[User:Luigi-San|Luigi-San]] 05:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
:We are aware of that scan but it can easily be fake and it has been done a lot of times in the past as well. Besides, there is still some time in the ''actual'' CoroCoro scans to arrive. That is why the optimum choice would be to wait. Also, please do not link to other fansites since they are "not" completely reliable. Thank you, have a nice day ahead. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 06:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

== English Release Date ==

On Amazon it says that the release date is December 31, 2012... Should someone add it? Or is it fake? [[User:Pringles|プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్]] 00:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
:I'm thinking that is most likely a place holder date so they can accept pre-orders and such. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:38, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
::Definitely a placeholder. GameStop stores around me have October 2. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 00:48, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

== Starters ==

Nope, there's no new starters. They're the same as Black and White, according to a Nintendo website. {{unsigned|AWild------Appeared}}
:[[Talk:Pokémon Black and White Versions 2#Starters|We know.]] -- [[User:GoldenCelebi|Golden]][[User talk:GoldenCelebi|Celebi]] 16:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

== New info - please update ==

As seen [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ here] AR Searcher will be released as Pokémon Dream Radar. When Black Kyurem and White Kyurem have the cool glowing lights, it is known as "Overdrive Mode" --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] 14:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== English Boxart ==

Here are the US boxarts for Pokémon Black 2 and White 2. It isn't the greatest quality, but I couldn't find better. [[User:Z1ggyZ00|Z1ggyZ00]] 21:38, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

[[File:Pokemon White 2 Boxart EN.png|200px]]
[[File:Pokemon Black 2 Boxart EN.png|200px]]

I've found some '''much''' bigger versions, which can be seen [http://i.imgur.com/KSbC3.jpg here] and [http://i.imgur.com/gooUp.jpg here]. But they'll need to be cropped before they can be used in the article. --[[User:Dorsal Axe|Dorsal Axe]] 10:07, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== Minor thing ==

The word "mode" in Overdrive Mode should be capitalised. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ Proof is in the character art gallery here.] - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 22:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

== More Formes? WTF Bianca? ==

Well according to Serebii, there are new "Sacred Beast Formes" for Tornadus, Thunderus, and Landorus, Also with the new Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 animation out, it seems Bianca gives out the Starters in B2W2 and that Cheren is the first Gym Leader. {{unsigned|Alsuke}}
:1. Serebii isn't an official source, so don't bother referencing it here. 2. That name is merely a fan translation. Not official. 3. We already know everything else you just said. Check their articles. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 04:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== World Tournament Info ==

Just think it might be better to revise the current blurb on the World Tournament since it seems like more will be available. At present Sabrina isn't confirmed to be challengable, and the inclusion of Volkner, Lance, Cynthia and Steven opens it up to more regions. Maybe it's just better to say Gym Leaders and other Trainers/Champions from the other regions.
[[User:Clark Griswald|Clark Griswald]] 17:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== Name to: Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 Versions ==

I think that would be a more accurate name, as the versions are more commonly (from what I've seen) referred to as Black 2 and White 2, not Black and White 2. Wikipedia too have referred to the games as Black 2 and White 2.
I propose a name change, anyone else agree? [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 18:56, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
:[http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ The word Version comes before the 2.] This is an official link and it's really all that matters. Besides, Black 2 and White 2 already redirect here. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 19:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
::Ah okay. Although they didn't redirect here, I got that covered. [[User:Kookamooka|Kookamooka]] 19:15, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

== Mistakes ==

"In this time, the Unova region appears to have changed greatly. The northeast and a small area of the far west are covered on the map, and it is not yet confirmed if the ice is simply covering changes that will be revealed later or if it is actually present in the region."

You managed to forgot to specify that they are ''covered in ice'', leaving that minor detail totally unsaid until the next part of the sentence, where it makes no sense.

Along with that... "Southwest" is all one word. The article switches from future tense (the games will) to present (the Pokédex is) to future again. If you're going to protect an article then write a good one. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 23:51, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
:I see your point, but that snippy last part you added was not necessary and a bit rude. We'll fix the article as soon as possible. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Unova

2012-04-19T20:32:44Z

NotSteve: /* The Ice layer */ new section

== Interwiki link ==

Please add [[:de:Isshu-chihō]] to the interwiki list.--[[User:Afrael|Afrael]] [[User talk:Afrael|talk]] 11:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:Their wiki appears to have gone down, but I'll add it anyway. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Region Image ==

The region image is just an image of Hiun City (Japanese Name) not the region itself.--[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 19:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:We don't have a region map yet, though. A city in the region is the next best thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a [http://serebii.net/blackwhite/isshubig.jpg larger version of the map] out now that shows more locations, is it okay if we add it? [[User:Vienna Waltz|Vienna Waltz]] 02:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Please add... ==

I would really like to stay consistent here... someone who can edit this article, please change this so this article is in the same format as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh -- (Japanese: イッシュ地方 Isshu-chihō) along with the region infobox with that same information. Thanks :) ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 01:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC))

== Is this confermed? If so, where? ==

I don't know where this has been confermed. Please enlighten me on which Coro-Coro scan. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 15:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:[[a:File:CoroCoro_BW7.jpg|Right here]], on the left. Clearly shows a picture of at least the port town and "イッシュ地方" (Isshu region). ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Leiks]] [[Lucario (Pokémon)|Lucario]] [[User talk:SpecialK|and the]] [[User:Missingno. Master/Celebi Glitch|Celebi Glitch]] 16:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

==New location==

There's [http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml something] on Serebii about a new place called Sky Arrow Bridge which connects Hiun City to somewhere else. Should we add that? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 19:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the official site, so I guess there is no reason as to not put it here.　The screen has a text below saying a big bridge crosses to Hiun City and it's name is Sky Arrow Bridge (スカイアローブリッジ).--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 20:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Trivia section mentions that Isshu is the only region of the main games not to have an 'O' sound. Shouldn't ', if one does not include Sevii Islands' also be added to that? I mean, it is considered a region of sorts as well. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a region, so no. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::Sevii Islands is included in the region template, right up next to the other main games' regions. I'm pretty sure it is considered one. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 21:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Well then, if an admin wants to add it they can. So it's their call. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Unlike the other five, Sevii's not really its own entity. No league, no gyms, nothing but a few small towns and routes on which you can catch Gen II Pokémon. It was an excuse to put Gen II Pokémon in FRLG. Out of all ''main'' regions, Isshu's the only one with no o. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Does Almia not count? It's a region. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 21:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Grk, strike that. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 22:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::A suggestion. Maybe you should put Sevii Islands in parenthesis next to Kanto. To me they are merely an extension of Kanto. Just like the Battle Zone is to Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Is Isshu even its English name? Just out of curiosity. We can't really confirm it unless we know. ----[[User:Zewis29|Zewis]] [[User talk:Zewis29|(2]][[Special:Contributions/Zewis29|9)]] 01:55, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

In the Trivia it says the first gym has the most leaders, 3 but doesn't the [[Cerulean Gym]] have 4, [[Daisy]], [[Lily]], [[Violet]], and [[Misty]]? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:In the anime, yes, it does. But this refers to the games only. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

== New York? ==

No, I'm not wasting talk pages for speculating. I'm just saying that I heard one of the guys on Pokémon Sunday shout "New York" before the recent BW video. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
:I'm sure you just misheard. If they really did it would be ''everywhere'' by now. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 17:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

CuboneKing is right in someway. It does look alot like new york. Can I add that in the article? {{unsigned|DialgaMaster105}}
:We are aware it looks like New York, but we're not gonna speculate... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:13, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

[http://pallettribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/huin.jpg] {{unsigned|C.Rad(-0-)}}

It does look a lot like the Manhattan region, But It also looks like southren california hiun being Los Angeles then a desert by hiun (its deserty in LA)and theres a red bridge like the one in San Fransico over a river, and there is mountains on both sides of LA like in the map that has been revealed. {{unsigned|Mismagius13}}
:No more speculating on where Isshu is based on, Mismagius13! And stop adding it in! We wait for official confirmation!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey hey chill Mismagius has a point and the whole technology versus nature, plus the fact that Victini is found on a place called Liberty Island, plus Victni being the "Wings of Victory...."

This stuff of Speculation of this type belongs in the forums.But anywho,It looks like it the way it`s comeing.[[User Talk:LucarioWolf|'''Lucario''']][[User:LucarioWolf|'''Wolf''']] 17:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== Sky Arrow Bridge==
why does this article doesn't include the name of the bridge that connect a city to huin city according to serebii it is named sky arrow bridge here is the like:
[http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/isshu.shtml]
[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 06:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii is not God. We'll get our article up in due time. We know next to nothing anyway. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Team Phantom ==

Team Phantom is the regions vilans. --[[User:Squishy|Squishy]] 23:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:And where is this informatino from?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:25, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's Plasma. Leaked by way of blog that also revealed Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru, as well as the Friz. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Link please, TTE. We have no way of knowing what the team is until it's stated Publicly. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Judging from one of the things in the CoroCoro scan, it seems to me like that N guy would be the main villian. It said he wants to free pokèmon from people and is trying to obtain the power to do so. Maybe he somehow got a bunch of trainers to follow him and help him awake the main legendary of the game, like Teams Aqua, Magma,and Galactic. [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:19, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

that's speculation... ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:22, 15 July 2010 (UTC))

== Hiun City ==

Seriously, this is getting really stupid. All of the other foreign sites have a page for Hiun City and we have more than enough information now to make it its own page. Also, someone needs to update the picture now. [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 03:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:We have bigger isshus to deal with at the moment. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 03:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree that it is time to make an independent article to Hiun City. There are enough information and images to start it and several people who would like to contribute on that page.[[User:Toback|Toback]] 19:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== Let's confirm an original source. ==

Even an original source has changed in quality because the Pokemon fan of the foreign country hopes for NY and Shanghai too much.

"isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto. " This information is a mistake.

"Isshu" is far from kanto and johto. " This is true.

Please edit this false information if you want to fill Bulbapedia in the truth. The NY consideration and the Shanghai consideration are wonderful. However, the erroneous information cannot be permitted.

[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently, it's because of a specific particle in the original line that can be implied to mean "among others". --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:: All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. There is no mention at all of Shanghai or New York. Secondly, since we don't even know how far away Sinnoh and Hoenn are from Kanto-Johto, it's really impossible to make a distinction between far away from Kanto-Johto, and far away from all of them. I must say I also really don't even understand what this question is asking. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"All the article says is that it's a really long way away from the other regions. "

Do you understand Japanese?I understand you are telling the lie because I understand completely.
It is considerably far from kanto and johto. It has changed in quality , saying that "It is far from all" when information is spread to foreign countries. Please admit the falsification of information. Reconfirm an original source if it is not admitted. Please do not add the sentence not insisted on by an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:08, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:I could wonder if you understand Japanese, you having that bad English grammar. Anyhow, I think our safest best would be to wait until we get a more clearer confirmation. And for the love of the franchise, there's no need to be rude to us. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 17:52, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::The machine translation is used. I'm sorry for making them embarrass it because of a bad English grammar. However, it is possible enough to tell the mistake.

It is the same one as the sentence of corocoro.
http://gamez.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/1005/14/news098.html

新たな舞台「イッシュ地方」は、カントーやジョウト地方とは遠く遠く離れた全く趣の異なる土地。

It is true that the fake information has been described to this page. Admit that information on the lie has been treated. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:First of all, Japanese is a very difficult language to learn and translate. Errors are bound to be made. We are not purposely lying, but this appears to be a simple mistake. Again, we did not purposely lie, you cannot expect everyone to always get everything perfect. Anyway, I'll let someone else handle this for now. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:18, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for admitting a mistake. It is hoped that the person who has the good sense corrects a sentence when the edit becomes possible.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Sawamular101さん、すみませんが、日本人ですか？ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

::::Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct? and ''does it really matter'' if it says the wrong thing? Sometimes information is wrong, and sometimes it changes. It wont hurt anybody if it says the wrong thing for a couple of months until we get a confirmation in English. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 19:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

"Sawamular, are you sure your translation is correct?"

It is 100% fact. Isshu is located long away from Kanto and Johto. Please call on the friend of you who understands Japanese if you cannot trust my information.

"and does it really matter if it says the wrong thing? "

I want to tell it to esteem an original source. It is insincere to falsify an original source. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 20:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:日本語を習った時、「○○や○○」は「○○と○○などなど」・・という感じだと教えられました。それで、自分は「カントーやジョウト」が「カントー、ジョウト、などなど」の意味で理解しました。ですから、「カントー、ジョウト、ホウエン、シンオウ」という意味だと思いました。違いますか？
:メチャクチャな日本語すみません。日→英の訳すのは得意なんですけど、まだ日本語で話すのはちょっと難しいんですorz [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 21:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::そうですねえ。。。Testing him, are we Umeko?--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Guys, enough with the Japanese spelling. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Umeko is testing him to make sure he's the real-deal: a true Japanese speaker. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 22:11, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::I'm not ''testing'' him; I believe him when he says he's Japanese. I'm trying to communicate. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 22:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

返信ありがとうございます。たしかに、「○○や○○」には"などなど"という意味も含まれますが、シンオウやホウエンからも遠いと具体的に記述されていないので付け加えるべきではないです。ホウエンやシンオウからも遠いと主張するのは、"などなど"という曖昧なものの憶測を膨らませた結果でしかありません。

もう一つ、「○○や○○」に含まれる"などなど"には、"語るに値しないその他"という意味も自然に含まれます。シンオウやホウエンは語るに値しない土地でしょうか？

シンオウやホウエンからも遠いのであれば、もっと適切な言葉があります。カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウから遠い。今までの地方全てから遠い。このように表現方法はいくらでもあります。カントーやジョウトから遠いという文でホウエンやシンオウも含むのは飛躍しすぎです。

日本語お上手で感激しました。[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 22:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:そうですか。分かりました。それならば、その部分を書き直す。ありがとうございました！
:To those of you watching, Sawamular has explained the use of the particle や and why I was mistaken for thinking that Hoenn and Sinnoh were necessarily included in the statement. I don't think it would be inappropriate to say that Isshu is ''assumed'' to be distant from Hoenn and Sinnoh as well, as long as we state just that: it is an assumption. It may be more accurate to say that Isshu is confirmed to be distant from the mainland (if we wish to refer to Kanto, Johto, and the other assumed regions directly neighboring them as the "mainland" - this is what I, personally, think of them as, but I'm not sure there's any canon backing to it), but I'll leave that up to discussion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 23:27, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::So that means Aomori, Tohoku is open for possibility!? Heck yes! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
:::http://www.42ch.net/UploaderSmall/source/1277686041.JPG
:::Do you believe tohoku? I think that the possibility of Shanghai and Manhattan is high. There is no big city in aomori (lol.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 00:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
::::I personally think it's Shanghai (it even looks like {{img|BW Prerelease City entrance.png|this screenshot}} might have kanji/hanzi on the sign :O), but anyway, let's keep this discussion off the talk page, shall we? Bring it to the forums - if you're still allowed to discuss that there, I haven't been keeping much track of what's been going on over there. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

::::: ok, the topic is stopped. I do not go to the forum (Speaking by the machine translation is tired). [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 04:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

カントー・ジョウト・ホウエン・シンオウ地方から遠く離れた土地「イッシュ地方」

New source.isshu is far from Sinnoh, Hoenn, kanto, and johto.There was no necessity of the edit.(lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/irbj/topics/index.html#/file1 [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:29, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just a Warrning ==

There are silly and UNCONFIRMED rumors on youtube that Isshu is based on the chugoku (is that spelled right?) region of Japan.
I would advise a watch of this page to prevent vandalism of the page. ([[User:Kmanecke|Kmanecke]] 00:16, 28 June 2010 (UTC))
:Several steps ahead of you. The page has been protected since the page's creation because we knew people would try to put their opinions on the page. ._. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 00:18, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia. ==

It should be added in the Trivia about it being the first reigon to feature different locations depending on the version (black or white) Just thought I'd say --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 21:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

== Routes ==

It should be added that the Routes in Isshu start over at Route 1 instead of Route 301. Should that be a trivia or in the main article? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 15:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Black City/ White Forest ==

I read online that Isshu would have version specific areas, Black Forest in Black, which is supposedly a stereotypical industrail city, and White Forest, A town in White that is close to nature, and even has tall grass in the town. Does anyone think it should be added to the article? [[User:67h5r6h|67h5r6h]] 19:25, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h
:It will when an admin gets to it, especially when information is being released almost daily. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 19:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::TA. DA. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Add image ==

The image gallery should have the image of Route 1 ([[a:Image:BW Prerelease Route 1.png]]). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:09, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Hold on there, SN. I had asked you about the image's whereabouts on the Archives, please respond before asking it to be put everywhere. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry about that. I only go to the Archives when I need to upload an image, so I hadn't gotten your message yet. Anyway, I replied there. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]] 19:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Another warning for the mods. ==

Just a quick warning because of the reveal of Bikutini (Victuni?) and how to get one (the Liberty Ticket). This may cause a surge in debates on the basis of Isshu. Not debating here, just warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:How is there evena connection between them? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 00:52, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::Statue of Liberty, Liberty Island. Just saying. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::A "warning ''for'' the mods"? or a "warning '''from''' the mods"? Because you're not a mod yourself to be stating that in the title....--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::A warning ''for'' the mods. I'm not a mod nor do I claim to be one. If I did claim to be one, I would have used "A warning for the other mods", which I did not use. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::But why warn the mods? they might already know this. --[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::How would I know if the mods (not trying to insult a mod here) can put the pieces together and sense that there's going to be a huge region speculation rush after a video? I just put it here as a warning. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 08:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Via Filb.de's recent update, we got a Football player as a trainer class. Continuation of the warning from before. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:You don't need to warn mods. They have it under control. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
::I feeeeeel like it. >:/ Not like I'm spamming it or anything. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:13, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==New City revealed==

The new Coro Coro scan reveals information about a new city called Shippo City. It has a Gym and its Gym Leader is called Aloe. Mods should add information about it.--[[User:Toback|Toback]] 14:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

==Got a new map image==
File:Isshu_Wide.jpg

But the article's locked. --[[User:Sotomura|Sotomura]] 15:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:That file has been deleted as it's the same as [[a:File:Isshu.jpg]] —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== It's New York ==
http://sunyshore.com/scrap/bwnewyork.jpg

Original source PokéJungle, reconfirmed by people who found the same magazine in Japan for themselves. Circled text reads "Our adventure's setting is New York?!" --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 03:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:oh look, I live in Isshu...kickass...at least it's finally confirmed.. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 03:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::[http://nyextended.ytmnd.com/ Isshu!] '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c%2BfPmQdbL._SS350_.jpg

It gets into the news in Japan because it differs from the cover actually sold. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::I was told that this image was an advertisement for the September 10 issue of the magazine. Take that for what you will. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 06:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:::http://www.gamememo.com/2010/09/06/bw-issyu-new-york/
:::It is insisted that it be a cover of the early stage. It is mysterious how he obtained the cover of the early stage. Let's wait patiently because it is thought that the content of "Pokemon pia" is passed on in several days. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It is described by Pokemon pia that the motif of Isshu is New York. I think it is certain because it is information from the person who bought it. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:So it's true after all? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:16, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::It seems to be mentioned in page 5. Someone might up-load the image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

::: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html New source. The motif of Isshu is New York. The origin of the name is so from "One kind/１種類(issyurui)".[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 01:54, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

:::: [http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9573/isshu.jpg] -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 04:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Jersey ==

Ok, yeah only New York City was stated as the basis of Isshu, but shouldn't we add New Jersey too since technically the western third of the region would be where Jersey City and Hoboken are. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just throwing this out there ==

The magazine article from PokePia was translated and used the word "Motif", not the word "Model" like when previous regions. Assuming that the word "Motif" means "Model" is like assuming Hoenn is based off some Tropical island and not Kyushu. Go ahead, pull this apart. But PokePia still was translated "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif Motif]".
--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

PokePia and the interview above confirmed that the motif of Isshu is NYC. But there's just too many discrepancies to outright say that Isshu is solely based off NYC.

The ones I feel are simple enough:

1 Connections to past games.

If Cynthia is supposedly researching the myths of Arceus, why, may I ask, is she in a place half-way around the world from Japan? That girl from HGSS's Battle Frontier that's now the champion of Isshu? Why is she there? But most importantly, disregarding all the Pokemon from the Dream World, '''Why are there so many old Pokemon in Isshu post E4 if Isshu is on the other side of the world'''?

2 Pokedex.

It's still the National Dex, correct? Then why does it go from PokeJapan (1-493) to the other side of the world in Isshu (494-649)? There's all sorts of places between NYC and Japan. Shouldn't it be something like 1000-1155 instead of 494-649?

3 Size.

Compare the size of Isshu to the size of Sinnoh. It's bigger, right? So why would Isshu be set in an area 484 square Miles (22mi x 22mi)? And what makes NYC so important that it gets an entire region when Game Freak's office's town only gets two in-game Cities?

So yeah, double edit, but only because it was confirmed that "Motif" was said.

--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 17:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

:1) Do we know Cynthia's still researching Arceus? Might she be researching other legends now? And Caitlin seems largely based on a European monarch; why would she be restricted to Japan in that case?
:2) Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan. And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions. After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.
:3) Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around.
:In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world. But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same. There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
::First of all, Motif is nothing like Model. Motif is a pattern on the Model. Motif does not mean Model. Learn English.

::mod·el
::n.
::1. A small object, usually built to scale, that represents in detail another, often larger object.
::2.
::a. A preliminary work or construction that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made: a clay ::model ready for casting.
::b. Such a work or construction used in testing or perfecting a final product: a test model of a solar-powered ::vehicle.
::3. A schematic description of a system, theory, or phenomenon that accounts for its known or inferred ::properties and may be used for further study of its characteristics: a model of generative grammar; a model of ::an atom; an economic model.
::4. A style or design of an item: My car is last year's model.
::5. One serving as an example to be imitated or compared: a model of decorum. See Synonyms at ideal.
::6. One that serves as the subject for an artist, especially a person employed to pose for a painter, sculptor, ::or photographer.
::7. A person employed to display merchandise, such as clothing or cosmetics.
::8. Zoology An animal whose appearance is copied by a mimic.

::mo·tif (m-tf)
::n.
::1.
::a. A recurrent thematic element in an artistic or literary work.
::b. A dominant theme or central idea.
::2. Music A short rhythmic or melodic passage that is repeated or evoked in various parts of a composition.
::3. A repeated figure or design in architecture or decoration. See Synonyms at figure.

::Now,

::1. Sure, we don't know if Cynthia is researching Arceus still or not. We can figure that out later. But what Pokemon stands more interesting to research (from her point of view) than the Pokemon described from myth in her hometown and the one said to have created the world? That was the reason she was at the Shinto/Sinjoh Ruins. And what part of Caitlin seems largely based off a European Monarch? She has no connections to Team Plasma as far as I can see.
::2. ''Since when are all databases organized geographically? Kanto's Pokédex entries come first in National order, even though it's smack dab in the center of Japan.''

::Kanto is the center of Japan, basically. It was chosen because its the area surrounding Game Freak's office which makes it the center of the Pokemon World.

::''And frankly, I was surprised there was so little overlap in Isshu's dex and those of other regions.''

::Why would you be surprised at all? There's wide dependencies among similar Pokemon in Japan.

::''After all, real-world Japan and America share many species, from rodents to insects to birds.''

::Not the exact same species. And I'm pretty sure that no place shares animals (disregarding zoo's of course) of the exact same species.

::It still does not make sense for the National Pokedex to skip 99% of the land between Japan and NYC. Try to rationalize that. '''I dare you.'''

::3. 3) ''Sure, the size is inconsistent with past games. But that has occurred in past generations as well. Look at GSC Kanto compared to RBY Kanto, or less dramatically, HGSS Johto to GSC Johto. Perhaps GameFreak thought a denser, more complex area would better do justice to the scope of diversity in NYC. Or perhaps they intend to size up Kanto or Johto next time a remake comes around. ''

::Why are you even bringing up comparisons of RBY/GSC Kanto and GSC/HGSS Johto? That has nothing to do with the comparison of DPPt Sinnoh and BW Isshu.

::''In fact, you could argue the same thing for any past regions. After all, we have never received confirmation that the past regions correspond to each other geographically the same way they do in the real world.''

::I'll give you that. But we do have their "Models" so we can logically assume that they fall in the same places in relation to each other as they do in real-life.

::''But for the purpose of this article, motif and basis are close to the same.''

::No, they aren't even close to meaning the same thing. If you really think that, then you need to retake English class. The purpose of this article is to post everything we '''''know''''' about Isshu. Assumptions like "Motif = Basis/Model" are not something we '''''know''''', they're something people '''''assume'''''. And it's confirmed that NYC is Isshu's '''''Motif'''''. '''No one''' has released Isshu's Model.

::''There are surely differences between Isshu and New York, but New York City is still the primary basis.''

::Just FYI, geographical terrain has been mostly kept between the games and real life. Coastlines, mountains, and generally everything about geographical features. Cities have been rearranged and mountains have become volcano's. But unless Game Freak '''really''' changed up the system, we have two unexplained mountain ranges on both sides of Isshu.

::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

==Just throwing it out there Part 2==

Hey guys. Please don't argue about this here. And please don't insult other people by telling them to learn English. We don't want it and we don't care. We have a source saying that Isshu is based on NYC. That's awesome. That's all we need. If Game Freak has decided to add in extra bits from other places or even make up their own stuff that's fantastic but Isshu is based on NYC. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:You have a source saying that Isshu is based off New York when ''word of god'' states that New York is Isshu's ''Motif''? Please don't be pulling another Pokebeach and the secret source...
:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 12:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::It is declared that Hoenn Region is Kyushu. It is said that Isshu Region is NY "motif".

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/ No.177
::イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク。
::(Isshu Region) The motif of isshu is NY.

::http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105 No.15
::九州を舞台にしたんです。
::(Hoenn Region) Kyushu is a stage.

::Because volume of information is a little, it might be small mistake that the remark is not consistent. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 14:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Basically, Sawamular just proved that your source is false. If the OFFICIAL GAME FREAK BLOG says that it's a motif, it's a motif. Not a base, not a model and not a stage. A MOTIF.

:::Can we get a mod to fix this page of this completely stupid misconception that's been around since PokePia was first translated?
:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 21:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

::::See: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html#list. Masuda and co. explicitly refer to New York as not just Isshu's motif, but also its STAGE (even after reiterating the basis for the other regions). They even go on to address specific locations in NYC as the basis for various areas in Isshu. How is it not NY? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 01:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Wow. So does that mean this isshu (lol pun) is finally laid to rest? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just for clarification purposes, where exactly on this does it say stage? My japanese is a tad rusty when it comes to Kanji... --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 01:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::My rusty Japanese is telling me he's talking about Concert stages leading to the Musical's in BW. It also references the "Stage's Motif New York" (で、まず舞台のモチーフをニューヨークにすることを決めると、). Well? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 02:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::: Masuda speaks the reason why NY is chosen to be a motif of BW. Masuda is said that a lot of famous theaters(Musical) are in Manhattan.　I wanted to do the concert by NY.

::::::: 多種でも遠くから見たときに、１種類に見えるような地方である、ということから「イッシュ」と名付けました。その感じも '''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''。
::::::: The source that Mr. AndyPKMN had presented was seen. The supervisor is making remarks that the outlook on the world of isshu is '''near NY'''. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 02:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Well, isn't that vague? '''near NY'''... are you sure that translation is accurate, Sawam? Just to prevent misconceptions, you know. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Is it possible he meant something like "I feel very close to New York" or "It feels similar to New York"? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::'''ニューヨークにすごく近いんです'''
:::::::::"I feel very close to New York". This translation is complete.[[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::So, altogether, the translation does nothing further than reinforce the point that New York is Isshu's motif? Alright then. Thank you, Sawamu! --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::: The remark of Masuda strengthens grounds of motif. Because it was a motif, the word "It is near(近い)" might have been used. If NY is a stage, it is strange to say, "It is near(近い)". [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 03:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::I don't think Masuda would use the same word twice. Motif, stage, he's a creative guy! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::::You're drawing at straws now, TTE. You know Masuda is a smart guy. If he was going to confirm the basis of Isshu at that time, he would have used words that would not be motif. In fact, the fact that he used the word motif instead of a simple Japanese word proves that he knows what it means and used it for that reason.

:::::::::::::Fix the page.

:::::::::::::NOW.

:::::::::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 03:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I really don't understand your logic here. Combine the fact the supervisors outright clarify how they've based certain locations out of specific areas in Isshu (the musicals, the bridge being based off Brooklyn Bridge, etc.) with the fact Isshu's general shape looks extremely similar to New York. If that's not enough, look at the countless U.S. cultural references in the game. Are you seriously trying to insinuate it's not based on NYC? How could it possibly be based on anything else? You say you want to go by facts, and the fact is that Masuda has attributed New York and ONLY New York as Isshu's inspiration (motif or not). That's really all we need. Get over yourself. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 05:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Ha. Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Ahahahahahahaha. You don't understand the logic, bub? Get a dictionary. Motif. Define it.

:::::::::::::::Actually, don't bother. I'll just quote what I've said before on TTEnchidna's talk page

:::::::::::::::"So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

:::::::::::::::And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

:::::::::::::::Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

:::::::::::::::Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

:::::::::::::::This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

:::::::::::::::Simple answer: No, it does not."

:::::::::::::::Now the question remains, coupled with the fact that a fluent speaker of Japanese (that has to use a translator to post here in english!) has stated that, based on the article ''you provided'', there is more proof for the "motif" side than the "model/stage/basis" side when it comes to New York and Isshu, why don't you understand?

:::::::::::::::Now good night and have fun trying to prove me and the power of facts wrong. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 05:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

May I say the impression of the game of a Japanese version?

The large majority of the Pokémon Trainer of isshu has a Japanese name(It was felt that it was roughly about 70%). Because the currency was yen, it felt odd though it knew that NY had been chosen as the stage(Motif).

In a Japanese version, I think that I became making not to think that isshu is a foreign country as much as possible. However, a Japanese version is original.

I feel the motif more correct. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 06:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
:Consider Kanto uses Pokémon ''Dollars'' in the rest of the world. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:: A Japanese version separately treats Pokédollar and Yen. Pokédollar is adopted in Orre region of the Arizona motif. It is strange not to apply Pokédollar with isshu. If it is a city of the USA origin, the same currency as Orre might be suitable. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 10:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

@ Mackinz: I don't understand because I've repeatedly mentioned how Masuda proceeded to reveal the basis of Isshu's locations. For example, Sky Arrow Bridge IS based on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It doesn't follow to say NY is merely the motif for Isshu when we know for certain that the BASIS of specific areas are taken from Manhattan and its surroundings. It doesn't even have to be attributed to Isshu as a whole because the facts so far demonstrate how NYC plays at least a partial role in the basis of B/W's region. Ergo, there is more factual evidence for New York than against it. As far as currency goes, it matters little since Isshu was long confirmed to have been a foreign land from its predecessors (i.e. across the sea, only reached by boat/plane, etc). [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've also re-edited the Isshu page. Disregarding my own personal opinion on the matter, we can't say for a fact that Isshu is NOT explicitly based on New York. "Drawing inspiration" will suffice for now. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 13:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You want me to explain Marlowe? Fine. I'll make it as simple as possible.

:Anything not geographical (elevation of land, coastline) is part of the base. Everything else (climate, buildings, road, people) is part of the motif of the area.

:Take Hoenn for example: Hoenn obviously has a tropical motif going for it. However, the climate is much different from that of Kyushu in real life. So we cannot say that Kyushu was the inspiration (basis) for the climate. That would be regulated to the motif.

:Take also the difference in population of Hoenn and Kyushu: Hoenn has way less population. Since it doesn't maintain the population, the population does not remain part of the basis. It becomes part of the motif (I.E. the low population combined with the tropical feel makes it feel like a loosely populated tropical island which, obviously, Kyushu is not).

:Now, onto buildings: Buildings are determined and built by the people living there. They also escalate the motif of the area (I.E. Fortree's Tree Houses add to the tropical feel). Since there are also a lot less buildings (similar to population), we cannot say that buildings are part of the basis because, if they did, the entire Hoenn region would not feel like a tropical island, it would feel like a city-locked island.

:Now think about it, replacing Hoenn with Isshu.

:Going to change the page back now.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just twisting the meaning of basis to match your own interpretation. No, it does not have to be solely geography-based; according to the very definition of BASIS, Isshu's Sky Arrow Bridge is BASED on New York's Brooklyn Bridge. It is the foundation for it, the fundamental groundwork. Stop trying to circumvent that. As for my re-editing the Isshu page, I'm trying to at least set up a middle ground between you and I here. Unless Masuda came right out and said, "No, Isshu is not based on New York" you can't say for certain that it isn't. We both know that it at least exists as some form of inspiration. It is unnecessary and downright misleading to add any more to the page than the "drawing inspiration" bit. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:You still don't understand the meaning of motif, model, stage and basis, huh?

:Didn't I tell you to get a dictionary?

:Ah well. I'll just define them for you.

:MOTIF

:1. (5) motif, motive

:(a design or figure that consists of recurring shapes or colors, as in architecture or decoration)
:2. (1) motif, motive

:(a theme that is repeated or elaborated in a piece of music)
:3. (1) theme, motif

:(a unifying idea that is a recurrent element in literary or artistic work; "it was the usual `boy gets girl' theme"

:If that isn't enough, I'll bring out some more definitions for you.

:MODEL

:1. (19) model, theoretical account, framework

:(a hypothetical description of a complex entity or process; "the computer program was based on a model of the circulatory and respiratory systems")
:2. (11) model

:(a type of product; "his car was an old model")
:3. (6) model, poser

:(a person who poses for a photographer or painter or sculptor; "the president didn't have time to be a model so the artist worked from photos")
:4. (4) model, simulation

:(representation of something (sometimes on a smaller scale))
:5. (3) exemplar, example, model, good example

:(something to be imitated; "an exemplar of success"; "a model of clarity"; "he is the very model of a modern major general")
:6. (1) model, role model

:(someone worthy of imitation; "every child needs a role model")
:7. (1) model, example

:(a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example")
:8. mannequin, manikin, mannikin, manakin, fashion model, model

:(a woman who wears clothes to display fashions; "she was too fat to be a mannequin")
:9. model, modelling, modeling

:(the act of representing something (usually on a smaller scale))

:BASIS

:1. (38) footing, basis, ground

:(a relation that provides the foundation for something; "they were on a friendly footing"; "he worked on an interim basis")
:2. (28) basis, base, foundation, fundament, groundwork, cornerstone

:(the fundamental assumptions from which something is begun or developed or calculated or explained; "the whole argument rested on a basis of conjecture")
:3. basis, base

:(the most important or necessary part of something; "the basis of this drink is orange juice")

:STAGE

:1. (25) phase, stage

:(any distinct time period in a sequence of events; "we are in a transitional stage in which many former ideas must be revised or rejected")
:2. (18) degree, level, stage, point

:(a specific identifiable position in a continuum or series or especially in a process; "a remarkable degree of frankness"; "at what stage are the social sciences?")
:3. (15) stage

:(a large platform on which people can stand and can be seen by an audience; "he clambered up onto the stage and got the actors to help him into the box")
:4. (6) stage

:(the theater as a profession (usually `the stage'); "an early movie simply showed a long kiss by two actors of the contemporary stage")
:5. (2) stagecoach, stage

:(a large coach-and-four formerly used to carry passengers and mail on regular routes between towns; "we went out of town together by stage about ten or twelve miles")
:6. (2) stage, leg

:(a section or portion of a journey or course; "then we embarked on the second stage of our Caribbean cruise")
:7. (1) stage

:(any scene regarded as a setting for exhibiting or doing something; "All the world's a stage"
:8. stage, microscope stage

:(a small platform on a microscope where the specimen is mounted for examination)

:You do remember that Junichi Masuda has said nothing more than "motif", correct? Now, if he '''meant''' something else, don't you think he would use the Japanese word for stage (like he did for Hoenn and Kyushu) instead of the ENGLISH word, motif?

:The fact is, no matter how you read it, Junichi Masuda and the Development team of the Pokemon series have confirmed that New York is Isshu's motif. They have not confirmed anything beyond that. For all we know, it could be explicitly based on New York. '''However''', at this point, it would be an '''assumption''' which is what I've been trying to get rid of since I started this section. ''Everyone assumes'' that New York is the basis of Isshu. ''It is confirmed'' ,not an assumption, that Isshu draws decorative inspiration (a.k.a. motif) from New York. '''''Nothing beyond that is confirmed'''''. If you continue to edit the Isshu page, I will ask Archaic to do something.

:--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I have edited the page to maintain the same words but also to make it known that we do not know if he meant "not explicitly based off of New York". Happy? --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're being very unreasonable. I'll say this again. Strictly in terms of my editing the page, I'm not even claiming that Isshu is based on New York -- I'm only leaving it at the simple fact that Isshu draws inspiration from it. However, you cannot say that it isn't explicitly based on NYC because you don't know for certain whether it's based on it or not. You've clarified before that you're only trying to use the facts instead of common speculation. I agree, but the page revision shouldn't go from "Isshu is based on Manhattan, New York" to "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York but is not explicitly based on New York". Rather, leaving it at "Isshu draws inspiration from Manhattan, New York" is much more accurate to Masuda's statement and not only sets up a reasonable middle ground between us, it also agrees with your original intention to change the article. EDIT: I suppose that's good enough, though I still find it slightly unnecessary.

::And please, cut the "LOOK AT THE DICTIONARY" crap. I've checked the dictionary and in the case of Brooklyn Bridge, the terms 'motif' and 'basis' are not mutually exclusive. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm working with the wording of the first paragraph (to include the word motif) as we speak. However, I did already edit in

:::"Like prior regions, its general layout and coastline is based upon a real-world location. It is not known where it is based exactly, but an interview with Junichi Masuda and the rest of the development team has stated "Manhattan of New York is Isshu's motif". [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/motif]

:::While the largest of its cities, Hiun City, draws heavily on the densely-populated area of Lower Manhattan, to the north, rather than more cityscape, a vast desert lies. To the west and east, there are great mountains, as well, and rather than urban areas, aside from Hiun, most of Isshu is decidedly rural."

:::Give me a few minutes.

:::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 14:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::::I guess the neutrality will suffice for me. We'll agree to disagree on the basing of Isshu, so I'll leave the remainder of this debate to anyone else wanting to pick it up. I think it's important to note though that even if Isshu isn't based on NYC, certain areas in the region are still linguistically based off their Manhattan counterparts. So NYC does at least play a role in Isshu's basing to SOME extent, which in my opinion presupposes the Isshu = New York argument.[[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 14:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

:::::Marlowe, the motif of Isshu is New York. That means the '''theme''' (hey look, a synonym :D) of Isshu is New York. So of course it would maintain the things that make New York recognizable. The bridges, Huin city and the similar coastline are all there for a reason. Its all for maintaining the '''theme''' of New York.
:::::But I'm not debating the basis of Isshu here.
:::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 15:12, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Let me get this straight. You admit that Hiun City has many things that New York has, even has a New York theme, but you REFUSE to believe that Isshu is based on New York and are crusading that New York is simply the motif, even going to so far as to assume that the real world and the Pokemon world are interchangeable, when Hoenn has proven they aren't?--[[User:Ryuutakeshi|Ryuutakeshi]] 17:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, hey Ryuu! Nice to see you on Bulbapedia.
:::::::I refuse to believe things that aren't facts.
:::::::Fact: New York is Isshu's motif. (Confirmed by Junichi Masuda on both Game Freak's official blog and in the interview posted on Nintendo.Co.Jp)
:::::::Assumption: OMFG! That means Isshu is New York! OMG!1!
:::::::Fact: Motif means "theme".
:::::::Fact: Hoenn, when it's basis of Kyushu was confirmed, used the Japanese word for "stage".
:::::::Fact: Isshu, when the interview was first shown in PokePia, was confirmed to use the English word "motif".
:::::::Fact: Basis and Motif mean two separate things.
:::::::Fact: This page used the assumption that Motif means Basis.
:::::::Fact: Motif does not mean Basis.
:::::::My thoughts: If Junichi Masuda used the word "motif" and meant "basis", why wouldn't he use the same word he used when he revealed the basis (stage) of Hoenn to be Kyushu? The fact that he used the English word "motif" should prove he knew what he was talking about. That means that Mr. Masuda meant the word "Motif"!

:::::::So yes, I admit that Huin City has many things New York has. I never denied that Isshu uses New York as a theme. I do deny the assumption that, because Isshu uses New York as a theme, Isshu ''is'' New York.

:::::::Frankly, Ryuu, unless Junichi Masuda comes out and makes a blog saying "Yeah, we used Manhattan as the stage of Isshu", we should keep the facts straight and in the open. The fact is "We used New York as the motif of Isshu". Nothing to be taken any other way. Motif does not mean Model/Basis/Stage. It should not be taken any other way than the definition of Motif. And it should be allowed to discuss Isshu being based somewhere else because we do not have confirmation from Game Freak or Nintendo of where Isshu is based.

:::::::Am I making sense?

:::::::--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 18:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::::::::To be fair, Mackinz, none of the regions are synonymous with their real-life counterparts. Johto isn't Kansai, Hoenn isn't Kyushu, Sinnoh isn't Hokkaido, etc. They're simply based on them. While it's true Masuda used the term "motif" when describing Isshu, his context doesn't exactly set it apart as a mutually exclusive term from basis. For example, we know for certain that specific areas derive inspiration from areas in NYC in the EXACT same way other regions have a basis of specific cities and buildings in their counterparts, so I think we can safely say we have enough evidence to qualify New York being the equivalent of Isshu as Kansai, for example, is the equivalent of Johto. You're correct in saying the definitions motif and basis aren't the same, but they do have similar enough contexts in the case of comparing each region's confirmed area inspirations. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 19:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::I'll give you that, Marlowe. But still, it is not a safe assumption at this time to assume that Isshu is New York (and it is still open because of the New York motif being able to explain a lot). So can we leave it at that? I don't have time right now to debate and argue with you. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 19:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::To quote a great U.S. President, "It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is." No one's saying Isshu "is" New York. We're saying it's "based on" New York. Which is true, given that motifs from New York such as the coastline, bridges, diverse culture, and lower Manhattan drive the composition of the region. You keep insisting that motif doesn't mean basis, but what do we mean when we refer to the basis of other regions? We mean that they include motifs of the real-world counterparts, including the coastline, landmarks, and cultures. Really, there's nothing separating Isshu's basis from the other regions', besides the fact that Game Freak was somewhat more open to breaks from reality (and why shouldn't they be? Unlike with previous regions, the main game staff did not include anyone native to New York, unlike with previous games.). --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 20:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys, please quit it with the arguing. Isshu is based on New York, and there's really absolutely no arguing this. The context of the interview as a whole makes it clear that Isshu is the New York as Hoenn is to Kyushu, Johto is the Kansai, etc. The nuances you're arguing really aren't present, and if they are, it's not enough to sway Bulbapedia's scale of "what makes X based on Y." So shut up and stop arguing, or else you are subject to a temporary block for insubordination. Thanks. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

==Outdated Notice?==

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Is this article really outdated or is this just one of the spams. I'm going to remove it but if it isn't please put it back for me. ([[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 14:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC))
:Yeah, it is outdated. Black and White have been released and the article needs to start looking like other region's pages now. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

i updated this to the format like the other regions and it was removed!--[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:No you didn't. You replaced content with stuff that was already lower on the page. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 20:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== New Map of isshu. ==

http://up3.viploader.net/game/src/vlgame026784.jpg

It is isshu map of the ANIME version. It confirmed it by 001 stories. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 09:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

:Good idea, but could you find a better picture?--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 15:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::I obtained this image by chance. I'm sorry for being not able to offer a high-quality image. [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 16:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I would add it.--[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

== A guess on Etymology ==
Well I'll get the silly one out of the way: *'''Un'''*ited States *'''of A'''*merica. It makes me think of general Japanese style shortening like *'''Poke'''*tto *'''Mon'''*suta. I knew the region was based on USA, so I figured the localization was done since it's a "home turf" based decision like how the Japanese regions stayed untouched. I was expecting the other localizations to use Unova, but my guess on the method sort of works for the others. The following are what respective speakers call USA. French: États-*'''Unis'''* (Unys) German: Ver*'''ein'''*igte Staaten (Einall) My stab in of "ein" is probably improper but it does mean one, and "all" may be aus*'''ahl'''*. I've come across "allein" which can refer to "single". Italian: Stati *'''Uni'''*ti d'America (Unima). The "ma" may refer to ris*'''ma'''*. I'm lost with the Spanish localization, I don't see any links at all. "United" is fairly enough though, since a literal USA basis is silly, but hey it works haha. I'm not going to bother comparing decisions made with Orre. [[User:Deadpool|Deadpool]] 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Somehow I REALLY doubt it comes from United States of America. It's just too much of a stretch to assume NoA cherry picked syllables and letters from the location's basis when that's never been done before, even in the Japanese games. I think it's just derived from the meaning it has in Japanese, "one variety". Uno, one, and -va, for variety. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I actually doubt they'll say what it stands for (if it even is an acronym of something). No one can say for sure and all we can do is just speculate which provides no real evidence. Maybe this should be a forum topic to further discuss on on what people can guess the name stands for? - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Bridges ==

In an interview on G4tv.com, Junichi Masuda expressed his fascination with bridges, especially the Golden Gate bridge which closes resembles some of the bridges in Unova; would this be worth adding to the Trivia? I don't know how to add a reference. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 13:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it would be relevant to put in one of the bridge articles, like Sky Arrow. I would wait for a higher up to aprove though. as for the references, i'm not sure either. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]]19:40, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Alternative region translation? ==

I don't know if this is the correct place to put this, but here goes...

I was looking in my local GAME store (London, UK) today when I noticed the following on a display box: "Explore the new region of Alleos, and save it from the nefarious plans of Team Plasma. The Alleos region also contains two version-exclusive areas depending on which version of Pokémon the player owns - White Forest and Black City". However, both the Nintendo of Europe and GAME UK websites use Unova. Has anyone else seen this region name, or does anyone know of an explanation for it? It wasn't just on one box either, I checked several (and got some odd looks from the shop staff)
[[User:Imair|Imair]] 00:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=95403 This has already been discussed on the forums.] —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 00:59, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unova trivia ==

Should it be stated that Unova is the first region name not to have a long o sound? --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's already there. Look again. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:: Doesn't that depend on how you pronounce it? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It's pronounced (you-nuh-vuh) in the English version. --[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 22:27, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::: I pronounce it (u-nOva), but that doesn't mean either of us are right. [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 22:28, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Snivy was referring to how it's pronounced in the Anime, in which case it would be "you-nuh-vuh." [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Like Gliscorguy54 said, no one is either right. Not even the anime. Anybody can pronounce it however they want to. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 22:50, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Oh I know. :P [[M12|I know that all too well...]]. I just thought their source should be mentioned. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 22:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::The official pronunciation is the official pronunciation, it wasn't how I was saying it till I saw BW001 but I know now that I was wrong and it is in fact (you-nuh-vuh) (if that's how you want pronounced spelling as (doesn't matter)) "Note that all Bulbapedia's information must come from official sources" - the anime is pretty official in my book —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 23:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't watch the anime. I'm not going to let the anime dictate how I should pronounce every names in the Pokemon fandom. Sorry. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::All I mean is that it's our job to relay the official details for readers. not decide how to pronounce things and the official line is (you-nuh-vuh), say it how you like I was saying it the previously assumed way too but I prefer it the new way (it just never occurred to me). the anime is an official source weather you watch it or not, the trivia still stands —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 03:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::Even the most recent Black and White version commercials in North America pronounce it (you-nuh-vuh)--[[User:Snivy4Ever|Snivy4Ever]] 04:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hate to break it to you, but the anime is dubbed by TPCi, the company that gives the games their English names. Whether you want to believe it or not, that is the official pronunciation. Not to mention that's how it is pronounced in the Black and White promos. It's official, No Ifs Ands or Butts. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:54, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==Locked==
Why is the Unova article locked?? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Frontier ==

Isn't it wrong to say that Unova is the only region without a battle frontier as a battle frontier always comes in the 3rd version of the game("Grey")? [[User:Icy|Icy]] 18:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:No it isn't wrong to say that because the third version hasn't even been out or even confirmed. Just wait till we get an official confirmation, which'll take several years. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
::Orre would like to say hello :P [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:::It is the only main series region. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:According to THIS website, Orre is also a main series region. So yeah, it's wrong. You should change it, unless you're cool with giving people false information.{{unsigned|Tokeupdude}}
:: Orre isn't a Main series region, it is a spin-off region. As listed in the template below the article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
:Then how come when you look up any Pokemon's game locations Colosseum and XD are listed under the main games section and not side games? For example, I'm looking at Fearow's page right now and both Colosseum and XD are under main games Gen 3. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 10:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
::Nevermind! Orre is a side-region to the main series and the others are "spin-off" regions. I get it now ;) [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

== Location? ==

Does anyone know where Unova is located, like North of Hoenn, or East of Johto? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] 02:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
:It's location from the other main series regions is not yet known. All we know for sure is that it is FAR away from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. My best guess would be that it is both east and west of the other regions, just like how the United States (or NYC in this case) is both east and west. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 03:28, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== Castelia population ==

Shouldn't it be unknown? Endless people walk up and down the streets in some areas. [[User:Tokeupdude|Tokeupdude]] 15:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:The population of Castelia is static people only. The endless people are excluded. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:26, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Contest in the Trivia ==

Should This be add this in the trivia?
:Only Region without a Pokémon Contest.
Are we allowed to change the TRIVIA or is it still the Admin?[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 14:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:What do you mean? It isn't true. Kanto and Johto are anime only. Then there are the Orange Islands, Sevii Islands, Orre etc. None of those have contests. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 14:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

::I meant in Games.[[User:Taposa|Taposa]] 15:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
:::As Solar Dragon said, Kanto and Johto don't have contests in the games.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 16:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, and Orre and the Sevii Islands haven't been seen in the anime so they don't have contests in either canon. ☆[[User:Solar Dragon|The]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|Solar]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Dragon]]☆ 16:51, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

== Only region outside of Japan? ==
:"Unova is the only main series region to be based on a real-world region outside of Japan."
What? Are we forgetting about Orre, based on Phoenix, Arizona? --[[User:ChReNiC|ChReNiC]] 23:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:It's on side series now. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
::The [[Battle Zone]] in Sinnoh is based on Russia, and it is referred to in game as a region (or sub-region, like the Sevii's). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:50, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
@Ataro I think one of the problems is that Colosseum and XD are still listed as main series games on the game template. If it is side series now the template needs to be changed accordingly. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 23:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:::The bulk of the region is still based on Japan, ALL of UNOVA is not. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes that's nice, but what about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Template:Main_series the template?]. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 16:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::First, don't be rude. Second, it was already stated that it hasn't been changed yet. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 21:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry if I came off as rude, but when was that stated that it hasn't been changed yet? There was no response to the initial question I brought up. At least not on this talkpage. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:08, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::::About that template, if Colosseum and XD are moved or removed because they are side series, then the same will have to be done for Stadium, Box, Ranch, ect. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 22:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Then those should be removed as well. They are not main series games and it's very misleading for them to be listed on the template. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 00:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

== another trivia? ==

unova does not have any pokemon blocking the player's progress. kanto has snorlax, johto has sudowoodo, hoenn has wailmer (blocking lilycove city preventing the player from surfing) and sinnoh has psyduck blocking the road due to headache. -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:I think that's worth adding. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 19:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Black and White 2 Coro Coro Leaks ==

Is it worth adding a section for Hiougi City yet?

Also, the information about Unova being covered in ice is not confirmed; translations seem to suggest that it is the map covered in ice a la the clouds covering the initial Unova reveal, rather than the region itself being covered. [[User:Exterminieren|Exterminieren]] 20:25, 12 April 2012 (UTC)Exterminieren
:Until further information is revealed, the admin team have decided to crackdown on speculation until more information is discovered. Thus the protection on a number of pages. Sort of related to the clouds, like you mentioned. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 06:11, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== BW2 ==

May an administrator please add in the intro paragraph that it is also the setting of Black and White 2? [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 18:19, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 18:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

== Image label ==

Could an admin add that the picture in the info box is for Black 2/white 2 to clear confusion up? If it's not necessary, fine.[[User:Bulbasect|Bulbasect]] 13:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

== The Ice layer ==

I don't know if this is the right place to discuss it, but are we certain the ice actually covers the land, and doesn't simply obscure our view of a secret? --[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 20:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Undella Town

2011-04-26T20:37:31Z

NotSteve: added to opening

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|jpname=サザナミタウン
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|image=Undella Town.png
|size=256
|region=Unova
|generation=5
|slogan=A Town of Rippling Waves
|mapdesc=A summer retreat with a beach full of people who enjoy summer vacations.
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'''Undella Town''' (Japanese: '''サザナミタウン''' ''Sazanami Town'') is a town in the east of the [[Unova]] region. To the south of Undella Town is {{rt|14|Unova}}.

[[Sinnoh]] champion [[Cynthia]] rents a villa in Undella Town. She can be battled once the first time the player enters her home regardless of the season, and can then be battled once a day during spring and summer. The female [[Gym Leaders]] and [[Elite Four]] members will often visit her during the Summer and Spring, respectively.

==Demographics==
===Pokémon Black and White===
Undella Town has a population of 12, excluding [[Cynthia]], who rents a house in the town. It is the second smallest town in the [[Unova]] [[region]].

==Variable scoring==
Unlike some other towns, where singular instrument tracks are added to the background theme in certain circumstances, Undella Town has two different themes depending on the season. In summer, a lively calypso tune is used; in autumn, winter, and spring, a mellow synth-led arrangement is used.

==Items==
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{{Itlistbod|Big Nugget|Right side of The Riches' Mansion behind the hedges|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Prism Scale|From a person in the Pokémon Center|BW}}
{{itlistfoot|sand}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation V===
{{Catch/header|sand|seasons=yes}}
{{Catch/div|ocean|Surfing}}
{{catch/entry5|278|Wingull|yes|yes|N/A|Surf|25-55|all=60%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5|458|Mantyke|yes|yes|N/A|Surf|25-55|all=30%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5|279|Pelipper|yes|yes|N/A|Surf|25-55|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/div|ocean|Rippling Water}}
{{catch/entry5|320|Wailmer|yes|yes|N/A|Surf|25-60|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|222|Corsola|yes|yes|N/A|Surf|25-60|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|226|Mantine|yes|yes|N/A|Surf|25-60|all=10%|type1=Water|type2=Flying}}
{{Catch/div|ocean|Fishing}}
{{catch/entry5|223|Remoraid|yes|yes|N/A|Fishing|35-55|all=65%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|090|Shellder|yes|yes|N/A|Fishing|35-55|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|370|Luvdisc|yes|yes|N/A|Fishing|35-55|all=5%|type1=Water}}
{{Catch/div|ocean|Rippling Water}}
{{catch/entry5|090|Shellder|yes|yes|N/A|Fishing|35-60|all=60%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|370|Luvdisc|yes|yes|N/A|Fishing|35-60|all=30%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|224|Octillery|yes|yes|N/A|Fishing|35-60|all=5%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|091|Cloyster|yes|yes|N/A|Fishing|35-70|all=5%|type1=Water|type2=Ice}}
{{catch/div|sand|Special}}
{{Catch/entry5|446|Munchlax|yes|yes|no|Trade|60|-|One|-|-|type1=Normal|tradenum=573|tradename=Cinccino}}
{{Catch/footer|sand}}

==Trainers==
==={{tc|The Riches}}===
Upon visiting Undella Town, the {{player}} will see Draco outside The Riches' Villa. After accepting his challenge and defeating him in battle, he will show the player inside, then tell the player to come back the next day. If he or she does, and defeats Draco again, Susan will enter the Villa and immediately challenge the player. Doing this the next day will cause Clairdonna to appear, then Zillion, and so on. After defeating Miles, the family will not accept any more challenges.
{{trainerheader|building}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW School Kid M.png|The Riches|Draco|12000|1|418|Buizel|M|60|None|36=ドレイク|37=Drake}}
{{Trainerdiv|building}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Lady.png|The Riches|Susan|12200|2|216|Teddiursa|F|61|None|428|Lopunny|F|61|None|36=スーザン|37=Susan}}
{{Trainerdiv|building}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Socialite.png|The Riches|Clairdonna|12400|3|436|Bronzor||62|None|115|Kangaskhan|F|62|None|623|Golurk||62|None|36=クアドナ|37=Quadona}}
{{Trainerdiv|building}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Gentleman.png|The Riches|Zillion|12600|4|213|Shuckle|M|63|None|463|Lickilicky|M|63|None|553|Krookodile|M|63|None|186|Politoed|M|63|None|36=ジリオン|37=Zillion}}
{{Trainerdiv|building}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Veteran F.png|The Riches|Trish|12800|5|461|Weavile|F|64|None|530|Excadrill|F|64|None|631|Heatmor|F|64|None|416|Vespiquen|F|64|None|230|Kingdra|F|64|None|36=トリッシュ|37=Trish}}
{{Trainerdiv|building}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Rich Boy.png|The Riches|Miles|13000|6|232|Donphan|M|65|None|625|Bisharp|M|65|None|171|Lanturn|M|65|None|465|Tangrowth|M|65|None|628|Braviary|M|65|None|612|Haxorus|M|65|None|36=マイル|37=Mile}}
{{Trainerfooter|building|5}}

===Cynthia===
Cynthia is a rare trainer, appearing at Undella Town only at 1 choice season.(often spring)
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|bordercolor={{black color dark}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|sprite=Spr BW Cynthia.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}15400
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|location=Undella Town
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=5
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|ndex=442
|pokemon=Spiritomb
|gender=female
|type1=Ghost|type2=Dark
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|level=75
|move1=Sucker Punch|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Shadow Ball|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Special
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|ability=Levitate
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|move1=Crunch|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Wild Charge|move2type=Electric|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Dragon Claw|move3type=Dragon|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Flamethrower|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Special}}
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|ndex=350
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|gender=female
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|ability=Marvel Scale
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|move2=Blizzard|move2type=Ice|move2cat=Special
|move3=Bulldoze|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Dragon Tail|move4type=Dragon|move4cat=Physical}}
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}}

==Trivia==
* Undella's Japanese motto is {{tt|押しては返す波の音|The sound of the ebbs and flows of the waves}}.

==Name origin==
{| class="roundy" align="left" style="background: #3A82BD; border: 3px solid #1C5787"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| サザナミタウン ''Sazanami Town''
| さざ波文様 ''sazanami-mon'yō'', a pattern based on ripples. 漣/小波/細波 (''sazanami'') also means "ripple".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Undella Town
| From ''undulatus'', wavy clouds.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Vaguelone
| From ''vague'' (wave).
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Ondula
| From the French, Italian and Spanish word ''ondula'' (to wave).
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Spiraria
| From ''spira'' (coil) and ''aria'' (air).
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
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Talk:Abyssal Ruins

2011-04-17T00:15:13Z

NotSteve: /* Language */

==Dive==
This is the ''only'' diveable location in Isshu?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:33, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes.
Also, the 1st floor has a relic vase, a relic statue, and multiple relic copper, silver, and gold (along with 14 plates). I don't know how to upload the images so can someone put it up? Thank you! ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 13:22, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

==Replenishing items==
Do the items replenish themselves over time? the relic gold and such?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:54, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
:No. [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] 01:45, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Items ==

There are more items in these ruins than is listed. I don't know their locations, or I'd just edit the page, but I've found four relic coppers, and according to the page and this discussion there's only three! Anyone know anything about this?[[User:Shadowhammer321|Shadowhammer321]] 10:03, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

This page is inaccurate. The items are different for every person, or at least, thats how it looks to me. I got a relic statue on the first floor, and that isn't on this page. I think that either the items are different for every person, or no-one here is getting all the items. --[[User:Fishmonk|Fishmonk]] 18:03, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

:See my comment further down the page. There are a huge number of items on the first floor in particular which aren't listed. The plates are correct, but there are a number of Relic items as well. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 19:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

== Floors ==

Another thing which confuses me is this talk of floors. I've not seen any stairs, it's just a 2d maze. If someone could make that more clear on the page, I feel it would be beneficial.[[User:Shadowhammer321|Shadowhammer321]] 10:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:At the center of the floor you enter on is a spot where you can ascend to the second floor. There are four floors in total. The item listing for the first floor is incorrect, by the way—there are a number of Relic Items on the first floor in addition to the Plates. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 12:22, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Language ==

What is the odd writing on the red squares? does anyone have a key? Also, do the different entrances hold different items?--[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 23:36, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
:For the first two questions: see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=86617 this thread]. For the third question: no. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 23:40, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks. I discovered that third part shortly after posting (I'm currently playing), and the post was useful.--[[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 00:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Abyssal Ruins

2011-04-16T23:36:28Z

NotSteve: /* Language */ new section

Kyurem (Pokémon)

2011-04-14T20:15:55Z

NotSteve: /* Physiology */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Landorus | next=Keldeo | prevnum=645 | nextnum=647 | type=Dragon | type2=Ice }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Kyurem |
jname=キュレム |
tmname=Kyurem |
size=180px|
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|kyoo-rem}}}''</sc> |
species=Boundary |
typen=2 |
type1=Dragon |
type2=Ice |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Pressure |
ndex=646 |
udex=152 |
height-ftin=9'10" |
height-m=3.0 |
weight-lbs=716.5 |
weight-kg=325.0 |
egggroupn=0 |
egggroup1=No Eggs|
eggcycles=120|
expyield=297 |
lv100exp=1,250,000|
gendercode=255|
color=Gray |
evspk=1|
catchrate=3 |
body=06 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
evhp=1|
evat=1|
evsa=1|
footnotes=}}

'''Kyurem''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''キュレム''' ''Kyurem'') is a dual-type {{2t|Dragon|Ice}} [[legendary Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation V]].

Kyurem is not known to evolve into or from any Pokémon.

Kyurem is the third of the [[Tao trio]], which exists in the legends of the [[Unova]] region.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Kyurem is a gray and blue colored, bipedal Pokémon of indefinable but seemingly draconian basis. Kyurem has a unique blue head and snout and has yellow eyes without pupils, has a pair of pointed light bluish horns on its head and a yellow crest on its skull. Its face has a bit of resemblance to {{p|Giratina}} right down to its jaws. Kyurem's neck is long and gray in color with lines running around its whole body, legs, arms and tail. Kyurem has two arms, each with its own claw and each arm is jointed together from its blue oddly shaped wings, believed to be used for flying as well as storing cold air. Each of its wings are oddly proportioned and have two icicles each. Its legs are somewhat slender unlike {{p|Reshiram}} or {{p|Zekrom}} and its tail has three blue icicle-shaped spikes on its tip. Like its fellow members of the Tao Trio, its tail appears to be some sort of propulsion device, but what it's based off of is unknown. The right side of its body seems to be damaged in some way, as the wing and horn on its head on that side are shorter. The right side of its head (visible in the Dream World Art) also has a spiked edge near its jaw hinge that is absent from its left.

====Gender differences====
Kyurem is a genderless species.

===Special abilities===
Kyurem can store powerful cold air onto its wings and tail and breathe with it, but it will also freeze itself in the process. It can unleash several {{m|Blizzard|blizzards}} and {{m|Hail|hailstorms}} and also can freeze its surroundings in a flash, referencing to its [[signature move]], {{m|Glaciate}}.

===Behavior===

===Habitat===
Kyurem resides in the [[Giant Chasm]], which is in the Unova region.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
An old legend in [[Lacunosa Town]] describing Kyurem claims that it would take people and Pokémon away from the town and eat them. It is unknown how much credence there is to this story, however.

==In the anime==

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Kyurem (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Dragon
|type2=Ice
|gen=5
|blackdex=It generates a powerful, freezing energy inside itself, but its body became frozen when the energy leaked out.
|whitedex=It can produce ultracold air. Its body is frozen.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Dragon |
type2=Ice |
gen=5 |
bwrarity=One |
bwarea=[[Giant Chasm]] |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Dragon|
type2=Ice |
HP=125 |
Attack=130 |
Defense=90 |
SpAtk=130 |
SpDef=90 |
Speed=95}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
type2=Ice|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 200 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100 |
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Imprison|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|DragonBreath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|43|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|Glaciate|Ice|Special|65|95|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|64|Imprison|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|71|Endeavor|Normal|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|78|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|85|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|92|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM02|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5||'''|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=None
|sprite1=646
|name1=Kyurem
|type1-1=Dragon
|type2-1=Ice
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=Dragon|
type2=Ice|
gen=5|
gender=none|
name=Kyurem|
ndex=646|
}}

==Trivia==

* No other Pokémon has the same [[elemental type|type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Kyurem.
** Kyurem is the only {{type|Ice}} Pokémon introduced in Generation V which isn't pure Ice-type.
* Kyurem has the highest base stat total of all Ice-type Pokémon.
** Kyurem also has the highest {{stat|Attack}} and {{stat|Special Attack}} of all {{type|Ice}} Pokémon, tied with {{p|Mamoswine}} and {{p|Glaceon}}, respectively.
* Kyurem is the only [[Generation V]] [[legendary Pokémon]] that has {{a|Pressure}} as its [[ability]].
* Despite its Pokédex entries saying that it can emit cold air but is frozen, it can not learn {{m|Frost Breath}}, nor can it be frozen by any move besides {{m|Tri Attack}} and {{m|Secret Power}}.
* Oddly for a Pokémon with no evolutionary relatives, Kyurem can learn {{m|Imprison}} twice, neither of which are at level 1.
* Kyurem is the last {{type|Dragon}} and {{type|Ice}} Pokémon in [[National Pokédex]] order.
* Kyurem is the only Pokémon that has a base stat total of 660.
* Kyurem is the only [[Generation V]] Ice-type that cannot learn {{m|Sheer Cold}} by level-up.

===Origin===
Kyurem and its two counterparts {{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Zekrom}} are based on the concept of {{wp|yin and yang}} in {{wp|Taoism}}. Kyurem, however, symbolizes {{wp|Wuji (philosophy)|wuji}}, the absence of yin and yang. In regards to overall design, it appears to be based on a {{wp|theropod}} and a {{wp|European dragon}}, similar to Zekrom. Kyurem's type, {{t|Ice}}, may allude to the absence of energy and the concept of {{wp|absolute zero}}. Kyurem's origin story of arriving on Earth like a meteor are references to comets, which are largely composed of ice crystals.

====Name origin====
Kyurem's name may be derived from 急冷 ''kyuurei'' (rapid cooling, 冷 ''rei'' meaning "cold") or ゆき ''yuki'' (雪, snow) with the {{wp|kana}} reversed. May also be from 零 ''rei'' (zero) and 無 ''mu'' (nothing). Ken Sugimori stated that {{p|Reshiram}} had a 'ram' sound in it to sound softer, while {{p|Zekrom}} had a 'rom' in the name to sound tougher. The 'rem' in Kyurem fits in with this.

==In other languages==


==Notes==
{{Legendary Pokémon}}
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Landorus | next=Keldeo | prevnum=645 | nextnum=647 | type=Dragon | type2=Ice }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Unova Legendary Pokémon]]

[[de:Kyurem]]
[[fr:Kyurem]]
[[ja:キュレム]]

Kyurem (Pokémon)

2011-04-14T20:08:16Z

NotSteve: /* Physiology */

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Landorus | next=Keldeo | prevnum=645 | nextnum=647 | type=Dragon | type2=Ice }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Kyurem |
jname=キュレム |
tmname=Kyurem |
size=180px|
art=BW |
pron=<sc>''{{{pron|kyoo-rem}}}''</sc> |
species=Boundary |
typen=2 |
type1=Dragon |
type2=Ice |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Pressure |
ndex=646 |
udex=152 |
height-ftin=9'10" |
height-m=3.0 |
weight-lbs=716.5 |
weight-kg=325.0 |
egggroupn=0 |
egggroup1=No Eggs|
eggcycles=120|
expyield=297 |
lv100exp=1,250,000|
gendercode=255|
color=Gray |
evspk=1|
catchrate=3 |
body=06 |
pokefordex= |
generation=5 |
evhp=1|
evat=1|
evsa=1|
footnotes=}}

'''Kyurem''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''キュレム''' ''Kyurem'') is a dual-type {{2t|Dragon|Ice}} [[legendary Pokémon]] introduced in [[Generation V]].

Kyurem is not known to evolve into or from any Pokémon.

Kyurem is the third of the [[Tao trio]], which exists in the legends of the [[Unova]] region.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Kyurem is a gray and blue colored, bipedal Pokémon of indefinable but seemingly draconian basis. Kyurem has a unique blue head and snout and has yellow eyes without pupils, has a pair of pointed light bluish horns on its head and a yellow crest on its skull. Its face has a bit of resemblance to {{p|Giratina}} right down to its jaws. Kyurem's neck is long and gray in color with lines running around its whole body, legs, arms and tail. Kyurem has two arms, each with its own claw and each arm is jointed together from its blue oddly shaped wings, believed to be used for flying as well as storing cold air. Each of its wings are oddly proportioned and have two icicles each. Its legs are somewhat slender unlike {{p|Reshiram}} or {{p|Zekrom}} and its tail has three blue icicle-shaped spikes on its tip. The right side of its body seems to be damaged in some way, as the wing and horn on its head on that side are shorter.

====Gender differences====
Kyurem is a genderless species.

===Special abilities===
Kyurem can store powerful cold air onto its wings and tail and breathe with it, but it will also freeze itself in the process. It can unleash several {{m|Blizzard|blizzards}} and {{m|Hail|hailstorms}} and also can freeze its surroundings in a flash, referencing to its [[signature move]], {{m|Glaciate}}.

===Behavior===

===Habitat===
Kyurem resides in the [[Giant Chasm]], which is in the Unova region.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
An old legend in [[Lacunosa Town]] describing Kyurem claims that it would take people and Pokémon away from the town and eat them. It is unknown how much credence there is to this story, however.

==In the anime==

===Major appearances===

===Minor appearances===

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
{{main|Kyurem (TCG)}}

==Game data==

===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=Dragon
|type2=Ice
|gen=5
|blackdex=It generates a powerful, freezing energy inside itself, but its body became frozen when the energy leaked out.
|whitedex=It can produce ultracold air. Its body is frozen.
}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=Dragon |
type2=Ice |
gen=5 |
bwrarity=One |
bwarea=[[Giant Chasm]] |
}}

====In side games====

===Held items===

===Stats===
====Base stats====
{{BaseStats|
type=Dragon|
type2=Ice |
HP=125 |
Attack=130 |
Defense=90 |
SpAtk=130 |
SpDef=90 |
Speed=95}}

===Type effectiveness===
{{Type effectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
type2=Ice|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting= 200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 200 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 200 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100 |
}}

===Learnset===
====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{learnlist/levelh|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|55|95|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|Start|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|8|Imprison|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|15|AncientPower|Rock|Special|60|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|22|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|29|DragonBreath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|36|Slash|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/level5|43|Scary Face|Normal|Status|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|50|Glaciate|Ice|Special|65|95|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|57|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|64|Imprison|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/level5|71|Endeavor|Normal|Physical|—|100|5}}
{{learnlist/level5|78|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|85|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/level5|92|Hyper Voice|Normal|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/levelf|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{learnlist/tmh|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM01|Hone Claws|Dark|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM02|Dragon Claw|Dragon|Physical|80|100|15||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM06|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM07|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM10|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM11|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM13|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM14|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM15|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM16|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM17|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM18|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM20|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM21|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM27|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM29|Psychic|Psychic|Special|90|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM30|Shadow Ball|Ghost|Special|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM32|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM33|Reflect|Psychic|Status|—|—|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM39|Rock Tomb|Rock|Physical|50|80|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM42|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM44|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM48|Round|Normal|Special|60|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM49|Echoed Voice|Normal|Special|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM52|Focus Blast|Fighting|Special|120|70|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM56|Fling|Dark|Physical|—|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM65|Shadow Claw|Ghost|Physical|70|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM66|Payback|Dark|Physical|50|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM68|Giga Impact|Normal|Physical|150|90|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM71|Stone Edge|Rock|Physical|100|80|5}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM80|Rock Slide|Rock|Physical|75|90|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM82|Dragon Tail|Dragon|Physical|60|90|10||'''}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM87|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM90|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM91|Flash Cannon|Steel|Special|80|100|10}}
{{learnlist/tm5|TM94|Rock Smash|Fighting|Physical|40|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM01|Cut|Normal|Physical|50|95|30}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM02|Fly|Flying|Physical|90|95|15}}
{{learnlist/tm5|HM04|Strength|Normal|Physical|80|100|15}}
{{learnlist/tmf|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{learnlist/breedh|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}
{{learnlist/breed5null}}
{{learnlist/breedf|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{learnlist/tutorh|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}
{{learnlist/tutor5|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5||'''|yes}}
{{learnlist/tutorf|Kyurem|Dragon|Ice|5|5}}

====Special moves====

===={{Trading Card Game}}-only moves====

===Side game data===

===Evolution===
{{evobox
|family=None
|sprite1=646
|name1=Kyurem
|type1-1=Dragon
|type2-1=Ice
}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=Dragon|
type2=Ice|
gen=5|
gender=none|
name=Kyurem|
ndex=646|
}}

==Trivia==

* No other Pokémon has the same [[elemental type|type]] [[List of Pokémon with unique type combinations|combination]] as Kyurem.
** Kyurem is the only {{type|Ice}} Pokémon introduced in Generation V which isn't pure Ice-type.
* Kyurem has the highest base stat total of all Ice-type Pokémon.
** Kyurem also has the highest {{stat|Attack}} and {{stat|Special Attack}} of all {{type|Ice}} Pokémon, tied with {{p|Mamoswine}} and {{p|Glaceon}}, respectively.
* Kyurem is the only [[Generation V]] [[legendary Pokémon]] that has {{a|Pressure}} as its [[ability]].
* Despite its Pokédex entries saying that it can emit cold air but is frozen, it can not learn {{m|Frost Breath}}, nor can it be frozen by any move besides {{m|Tri Attack}} and {{m|Secret Power}}.
* Oddly for a Pokémon with no evolutionary relatives, Kyurem can learn {{m|Imprison}} twice, neither of which are at level 1.
* Kyurem is the last {{type|Dragon}} and {{type|Ice}} Pokémon in [[National Pokédex]] order.
* Kyurem is the only Pokémon that has a base stat total of 660.
* Kyurem is the only [[Generation V]] Ice-type that cannot learn {{m|Sheer Cold}} by level-up.

===Origin===
Kyurem and its two counterparts {{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Zekrom}} are based on the concept of {{wp|yin and yang}} in {{wp|Taoism}}. Kyurem, however, symbolizes {{wp|Wuji (philosophy)|wuji}}, the absence of yin and yang. In regards to overall design, it appears to be based on a {{wp|theropod}} and a {{wp|European dragon}}, similar to Zekrom. Kyurem's type, {{t|Ice}}, may allude to the absence of energy and the concept of {{wp|absolute zero}}. Kyurem's origin story of arriving on Earth like a meteor are references to comets, which are largely composed of ice crystals.

====Name origin====
Kyurem's name may be derived from 急冷 ''kyuurei'' (rapid cooling, 冷 ''rei'' meaning "cold") or ゆき ''yuki'' (雪, snow) with the {{wp|kana}} reversed. May also be from 零 ''rei'' (zero) and 無 ''mu'' (nothing). Ken Sugimori stated that {{p|Reshiram}} had a 'ram' sound in it to sound softer, while {{p|Zekrom}} had a 'rom' in the name to sound tougher. The 'rem' in Kyurem fits in with this.

==In other languages==


==Notes==
{{Legendary Pokémon}}
{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Landorus | next=Keldeo | prevnum=645 | nextnum=647 | type=Dragon | type2=Ice }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}

[[Category:Legendary Pokémon]]
[[Category:Unova Legendary Pokémon]]

[[de:Kyurem]]
[[fr:Kyurem]]
[[ja:キュレム]]

Castelia City

2011-03-12T19:33:48Z

NotSteve: /* Central Plaza */

{{incomplete}}
{{Town infobox
|name=Castelia City
|jpname=ヒウンシティ
|jptrans=Hiun City
|image=Castelia City.png
|region=Unova
|generation=5
|slogan=A City of Grandeur
|mapdesc=A big city with skyscrapers piercing the clouds.
|north=Route 4
|regionnorth=Unova
|east=Skyarrow Bridge
|gym=Castelia Gym
|gymno=3
|leader=Burgh
|leadersprite=VSBurgh.png
|badge=Insect
|gymtype=Bug
|colordark=444444
|colormed=838383
|colorlight=C3C3C3
|map=Unova Castelia City Map.png
}}
'''Castelia City''' (Japanese: '''ヒウンシティ''' ''Hiun City'') is a large seaside city located in south central [[Unova]]. Unlike past cities, Castelia is a huge, sprawling metropolis, sporting many towering skyscrapers and other tall buildings. The city exists on the bottom of Unova's central peninsula, south of the desert and north of the sea, making for a perfect harbor city.

The city has only two possible entrances on foot: from the desert in the north, and from Unova's eastern third by way of the [[Skyarrow Bridge]].

Castelia City is geographically the largest city in the [[Pokémon world]], and contains many structural elements that have not been seen in cities in other regions. The city's core is a {{wp|central business district}}, with huge skyscrapers and other commercial buildings; a series of alleyways lead into this core, where smaller shops are set up among city traffic. The city's outskirts are bounded on all sides by harbor, where ships provide traffic to other regions in the Pokémon world.

==Places of interest==
===Along the wharf===
====Battle Company====
Battle Company is a multi-story building located on the corner of Mode Street along the wharf road, at the corner of Mode Street. Many [[Clerk]]s and {{tc|Scientist}}s may be battled there.
====Passerby Analytics HQ====
[[File:BW Prerelease Castelia City harbor.png|220px|thumb|Liberty Pier with a boat]]
The Passerby Analytics HQ is located on the corner of the street where Castelia City Gym is located. The {{player}} may receive a function for their C-Gear here for surveying other passer-by players of the games.

===Ocean Side===
There are five piers on the waterfront where certain ferries are docked. Opposite the street which the [[Castelia Gym|gym]] resides is Liberty Pier. The ferry found here will take the {{player}} to [[Liberty Garden]] if the player has a [[Liberty Pass]]. Unity Pier is across from Narrow Street, and its ferry is transport to the [[Unity Tower]]. Prime Pier is across from Mode Street. Occasionally docked at Prime Pier is the Plasma Ship, a black boat that Team Plasma uses to get to Liberty Garden. The fourth pier is called Cruise Dock, opposite Castelia Street. A short, unnamed pier lies directly south of the Skyarrow gate.

===Castelia Street===
Castelia Street has many people coming and going, especially durring the evenings when people are going home from work. This street features Game Freak HQ and a building where you can get one Pokémon per day massaged to increase its happiness.
====Game Freak====
The Game Freak headquarters are located in a large building on Castelia Street's right side; the developers can be found on 22F of the building. There is also a girl on the first floor who will show the player a photo of {{p|Zorua}}, adding it to the [[Pokédex]]. This is also where the Zorua event takes place.

===Mode Street===
Mode Street is another commuter-heavy street. There are many trees planted along its sides.

====Studio Castelia====
Studio Castelia is an art gallery. Every day, a {{tc|harlequin}} inside will ask the player to bring him a Pokémon of a certain type, and for doing so he will reward the player with their choice of one of the first five [[berries]].

====Casteliacone====
[[File:BW Prerelease Market.png|thumb|right|220px|Castelia Ice]]
Casteliacone is a popular ice cream stand. Ice cream called the [[Casteliacone]] can be purchased once per week every [[Tuesday]] for {{pdollar}}100, except in {{DL|Seasons|Winter}}. It heals all [[status ailment]]s of a single Pokémon.

===Narrow Street===
Narrow Street is a back alley with a number of dumpsters lined up against it. A man hiding behind one of them will give the player the TM for Flash. Some thugs can be seen hanging around the street.
====Café Sonata====
A café. Inside, there is a {{tc|Musician}} who will teach {{p|Meloetta}} {{m|Relic Song}}.

===Central Plaza===
The Central Plaza is a park located at the intersection of all the streets in Castelia City. There are vending machines located here where the player may purchase [[drink|drinks]]. A [[Dancer]] will give the player an [[Amulet Coin]] if they can round up two other Dancers in Castelia to form a group with him.

===Castelia City Gym===
{{main|Castelia Gym}}
The Castelia Gym is the official [[Gym]] of Castelia City, located on the western-most street above the Liberty Pier. The Gym also doubles as a working art gallery. It is based on {{type2|Bug}} [[Pokémon]]. The [[Gym Leader]] is [[Burgh]]. The Castelia City Gym is a Gym consisting of a honeycomb-shaped interior and "honey walls," with switches that release grates preventing {{pkmn|Trainer}}s from advancing. Some switches don't open the gates, but hide opponents instead. For defeating Burgh, Trainers receive the {{badge|Insect}} and {{TM|76|Struggle Bug}}.

==Demographics==
Castelia City's population is 130. Castelia City is the second most populous city in the [[Pokémon world]], behind its northern rival city, [[Nimbasa City]] while beating [[Goldenrod City]]'s population of 126.

==Items==
{{Itlisth|road}}
{{Itlistbod|Leaf Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the first option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Fire Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the second option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Water Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the third option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Eviolite|Received from a scientist in the same building as the person with a Patrat, if over 25 Pokémon have been seen in the Pokédex|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Psychic|Received from a Hiker on 11F of a building on Castelia Street|BW|display={{TM|44|Rest}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Lemonade|Received from the manager at the cafe on Narrow Street|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Normal|Received from a man behind a dumpster on Narrow Street|BW|display={{TM|70|Flash}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Quick Ball|Received from a Clerk ♂ in the upper-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display=[[Quick Ball]] ×3}}
{{Itlistbod|Timer Ball|Received from a Clerk ♂ in the upper-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display=[[Timer Ball]] ×3}}
{{Itlistbod|Revive|Lower-left corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display={{DL|Revive|Revive}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Scope Lens|Received from a Scientist in the lower-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Hyper Potion|Center of Battle Company's 55F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Exp. Share|Reward from the Janitor/President on Battle Company's 55F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Amulet Coin|Reward from Dancers after defeating all three|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Normal|Received from a girl on 47F of the party building before Route 4|BW|display={{TM|45|Attract}}}}
{{itlistbod|Poké Ball|Received from a woman in Passerby Analytics HQ|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Soda Pop|Reward for completing all the surveys at the Passerby Analytics HQ|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Yache Berry|Received from Iris after defeating [[Team Plasma]]|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Smoke Ball|In the building where the player meets with [[Team Plasma]]|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Cheri Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the first option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Chesto Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the second option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Pecha Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the third option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Rawst Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the fourth option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Aspear Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the fifth option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Wide Lens|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 5 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Everstone|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 10 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Zoom Lens|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 20 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Choice Scarf|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 30 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|PP Max|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 40 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Master Ball|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 50 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistfoot|road}}

==Pokémon==
{{catch/header|road|no}}
{{catch/div|road|Special}}
{{catch/entry5|570|Zorua|yes|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|Have an event Celebi in the party}}|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/footer|road}}

==Trainers==
[[File:Castelia City 3D.png|thumb|right|220px|Castelia City image from a TV commercial]]
===Game Freak===
{{Party
|color={{white color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{white color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Veteran M.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}6160
|class=Game Freak
|name={{color2|000|Shigeki Morimoto|Morimoto}}
|game=BW
|location=Castelia City
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Limber
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Grass Knot|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Special
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=528
|pokemon=Swoobat
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Psychic
|type2=Flying
|ability=Unaware
|move1=Air Slash|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Special
|move2=Endeavor|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Psychic|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Psyshock|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=523
|pokemon=Zebstrika
|level=77
|gender=male
|type1=Electric
|ability=Lightningrod
|move1=Pursuit|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Giga Impact|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flame Charge|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Wild Charge|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=516
|pokemon=Simipour
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Petaya Berry
|move1=Surf|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=514
|pokemon=Simisear
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Petaya Berry
|move1=Flamethrower|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=512
|pokemon=Simisage
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Petaya Berry
|move1=Energy Ball|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
}}

===Battle Company===
====47F====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk F.png|Clerk ♀|Ingrid|760|1|507|Herdier|♀|19|None|36=ミチコ|37=Michiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Clemens|760|1|532|Timburr|♂|19|None|36=カツノリ|37=Katsunori}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Randall|912|1|524|Roggenrola|♂|19|None|36=ナオユキ|37=Naoyuki}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk F.png|Clerk ♀|Alberta|720|2|548|Petilil|♀|18|None|546|Cottonee|♀|18|None|36=モモコ|37=Momoko}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Warren|680|3|550|Basculin|♂|17|None|550B|Basculin|♂|17|None|550|Basculin|♂|17|None|36=ヒロノブ|37=Hironobu}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

====55F====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Ivan|800|1|527|Woobat|♂|20|None|36=カズヤ|37=Kazuya}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist F.png|Scientist|Samantha|960|1|517|Munna|♀|20|None|36=アカリ|37=Akari}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Steve|960|1|540|Sewaddle|♂|20|None|36=スティーブ|37=Steve}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M B.png|Clerk ♂|Wade|1520|3|513|Pansear|♂|19|None|511|Pansage|♂|19|None|515|Panpour|♂|19|None|36=コウイチ|37=Kōichi}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Janitor.png|Janitor|Geoff|4000|2|568|Trubbish|♂|20|None|572|Minccino|♀|20|None|36=シンノスケ|37=Shinnosuke}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Gym Street===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Plasma Grunt M.png|Team Plasma Grunt||680|2|551|Sandile|♂|17|None|551|Sandile|♂|17|None}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Central Plaza===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Mickey|672|1|511|Pansage|♂|21|None|36=ミッキー|37=Mickey}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Narrow Street===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Edmond|672|1|515|Panpour|♂|21|None|36=エドモンド|37=Edmond}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Unity Pier===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Raymond|672|1|513|Pansear|♂|21|None|36=レイモンド|37=Raymond}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Castelia Pikachu.png|thumb|220px|Pikachu inside the building]]
* Castelia's Japanese motto is {{tt|ヒウンは飛ぶ雲めでたい雲|Hiun is soaring clouds, auspicious clouds}}.
* Even though it was officially stated that no Pokémon from previous generations would appear in {{game|Black and White|s}} before obtaining the [[National Pokédex]], a {{p|Pikachu}} can be seen with a {{tc|Hiker}} inside the same building as the [[Name Rater]] in Castelia City. Another Pikachu is depicted on a billboard in the city, above the [[Pokémon Center]]. However, they most likely meant that players could not obtain or battle any Pokémon before the National Pokédex.

==Name origin==
{| class="roundy" align="left" style="background: #c3c3c3; border: 3px solid #838383"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| ヒウンシティ ''Hiun City''
| 飛雲文 ''hiunmon'', a type of pattern based around swirling clouds ([[Media:Hiun pattern.jpg|example]]). 飛雲 ''hiun'' translates to "soaring clouds".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Castelia City
| From ''castellanus'', a cloud species. Also, from the Latin for castle.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Volucité
| From ''volume'' or ''volute'' (swirl), and ''cité'', city.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Stratos City
| Probably from {{wp|Stratus}} cloud or from ''Stratosphere''
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Austropoli
| From ''australe'', southern, or ''austro'', a southern wind, and the suffix ''-poli'', meaning city.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Ciudad Porcelana
| From ''porcelana'', {{wp|porcelain}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 구름시티 ''Gureum City''
| 구름 is the Korean word for cloud.

|}
{{-}}
{{Unova}} 
{{Project Cities and Towns notice}}

[[Category:Black and White locations]]
[[Category:Cities]]

[[de:Stratos City]]
[[fr:Volucité]]
[[it:Austropoli]]
[[ja:ヒウンシティ]]

Castelia City

2011-03-12T19:30:29Z

NotSteve: /* Narrow Street */

{{incomplete}}
{{Town infobox
|name=Castelia City
|jpname=ヒウンシティ
|jptrans=Hiun City
|image=Castelia City.png
|region=Unova
|generation=5
|slogan=A City of Grandeur
|mapdesc=A big city with skyscrapers piercing the clouds.
|north=Route 4
|regionnorth=Unova
|east=Skyarrow Bridge
|gym=Castelia Gym
|gymno=3
|leader=Burgh
|leadersprite=VSBurgh.png
|badge=Insect
|gymtype=Bug
|colordark=444444
|colormed=838383
|colorlight=C3C3C3
|map=Unova Castelia City Map.png
}}
'''Castelia City''' (Japanese: '''ヒウンシティ''' ''Hiun City'') is a large seaside city located in south central [[Unova]]. Unlike past cities, Castelia is a huge, sprawling metropolis, sporting many towering skyscrapers and other tall buildings. The city exists on the bottom of Unova's central peninsula, south of the desert and north of the sea, making for a perfect harbor city.

The city has only two possible entrances on foot: from the desert in the north, and from Unova's eastern third by way of the [[Skyarrow Bridge]].

Castelia City is geographically the largest city in the [[Pokémon world]], and contains many structural elements that have not been seen in cities in other regions. The city's core is a {{wp|central business district}}, with huge skyscrapers and other commercial buildings; a series of alleyways lead into this core, where smaller shops are set up among city traffic. The city's outskirts are bounded on all sides by harbor, where ships provide traffic to other regions in the Pokémon world.

==Places of interest==
===Along the wharf===
====Battle Company====
Battle Company is a multi-story building located on the corner of Mode Street along the wharf road, at the corner of Mode Street. Many [[Clerk]]s and {{tc|Scientist}}s may be battled there.
====Passerby Analytics HQ====
[[File:BW Prerelease Castelia City harbor.png|220px|thumb|Liberty Pier with a boat]]
The Passerby Analytics HQ is located on the corner of the street where Castelia City Gym is located. The {{player}} may receive a function for their C-Gear here for surveying other passer-by players of the games.

===Ocean Side===
There are five piers on the waterfront where certain ferries are docked. Opposite the street which the [[Castelia Gym|gym]] resides is Liberty Pier. The ferry found here will take the {{player}} to [[Liberty Garden]] if the player has a [[Liberty Pass]]. Unity Pier is across from Narrow Street, and its ferry is transport to the [[Unity Tower]]. Prime Pier is across from Mode Street. Occasionally docked at Prime Pier is the Plasma Ship, a black boat that Team Plasma uses to get to Liberty Garden. The fourth pier is called Cruise Dock, opposite Castelia Street. A short, unnamed pier lies directly south of the Skyarrow gate.

===Castelia Street===
Castelia Street has many people coming and going, especially durring the evenings when people are going home from work. This street features Game Freak HQ and a building where you can get one Pokémon per day massaged to increase its happiness.
====Game Freak====
The Game Freak headquarters are located in a large building on Castelia Street's right side; the developers can be found on 22F of the building. There is also a girl on the first floor who will show the player a photo of {{p|Zorua}}, adding it to the [[Pokédex]]. This is also where the Zorua event takes place.

===Mode Street===
Mode Street is another commuter-heavy street. There are many trees planted along its sides.

====Studio Castelia====
Studio Castelia is an art gallery. Every day, a {{tc|harlequin}} inside will ask the player to bring him a Pokémon of a certain type, and for doing so he will reward the player with their choice of one of the first five [[berries]].

====Casteliacone====
[[File:BW Prerelease Market.png|thumb|right|220px|Castelia Ice]]
Casteliacone is a popular ice cream stand. Ice cream called the [[Casteliacone]] can be purchased once per week every [[Tuesday]] for {{pdollar}}100, except in {{DL|Seasons|Winter}}. It heals all [[status ailment]]s of a single Pokémon.

===Narrow Street===
Narrow Street is a back alley with a number of dumpsters lined up against it. A man hiding behind one of them will give the player the TM for Flash. Some thugs can be seen hanging around the street.
====Café Sonata====
A café. Inside, there is a {{tc|Musician}} who will teach {{p|Meloetta}} {{m|Relic Song}}.

===Central Plaza===
The Central Plaza is a park located at the intersection of all the streets in Castelia City. There are vending machines located here where the player may purchase [[drink]]s.

===Castelia City Gym===
{{main|Castelia Gym}}
The Castelia Gym is the official [[Gym]] of Castelia City, located on the western-most street above the Liberty Pier. The Gym also doubles as a working art gallery. It is based on {{type2|Bug}} [[Pokémon]]. The [[Gym Leader]] is [[Burgh]]. The Castelia City Gym is a Gym consisting of a honeycomb-shaped interior and "honey walls," with switches that release grates preventing {{pkmn|Trainer}}s from advancing. Some switches don't open the gates, but hide opponents instead. For defeating Burgh, Trainers receive the {{badge|Insect}} and {{TM|76|Struggle Bug}}.

==Demographics==
Castelia City's population is 130. Castelia City is the second most populous city in the [[Pokémon world]], behind its northern rival city, [[Nimbasa City]] while beating [[Goldenrod City]]'s population of 126.

==Items==
{{Itlisth|road}}
{{Itlistbod|Leaf Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the first option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Fire Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the second option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Water Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the third option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Eviolite|Received from a scientist in the same building as the person with a Patrat, if over 25 Pokémon have been seen in the Pokédex|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Psychic|Received from a Hiker on 11F of a building on Castelia Street|BW|display={{TM|44|Rest}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Lemonade|Received from the manager at the cafe on Narrow Street|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Normal|Received from a man behind a dumpster on Narrow Street|BW|display={{TM|70|Flash}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Quick Ball|Received from a Clerk ♂ in the upper-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display=[[Quick Ball]] ×3}}
{{Itlistbod|Timer Ball|Received from a Clerk ♂ in the upper-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display=[[Timer Ball]] ×3}}
{{Itlistbod|Revive|Lower-left corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display={{DL|Revive|Revive}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Scope Lens|Received from a Scientist in the lower-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Hyper Potion|Center of Battle Company's 55F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Exp. Share|Reward from the Janitor/President on Battle Company's 55F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Amulet Coin|Reward from Dancers after defeating all three|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Normal|Received from a girl on 47F of the party building before Route 4|BW|display={{TM|45|Attract}}}}
{{itlistbod|Poké Ball|Received from a woman in Passerby Analytics HQ|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Soda Pop|Reward for completing all the surveys at the Passerby Analytics HQ|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Yache Berry|Received from Iris after defeating [[Team Plasma]]|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Smoke Ball|In the building where the player meets with [[Team Plasma]]|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Cheri Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the first option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Chesto Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the second option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Pecha Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the third option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Rawst Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the fourth option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Aspear Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the fifth option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Wide Lens|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 5 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Everstone|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 10 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Zoom Lens|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 20 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Choice Scarf|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 30 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|PP Max|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 40 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Master Ball|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 50 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistfoot|road}}

==Pokémon==
{{catch/header|road|no}}
{{catch/div|road|Special}}
{{catch/entry5|570|Zorua|yes|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|Have an event Celebi in the party}}|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/footer|road}}

==Trainers==
[[File:Castelia City 3D.png|thumb|right|220px|Castelia City image from a TV commercial]]
===Game Freak===
{{Party
|color={{white color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{white color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Veteran M.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}6160
|class=Game Freak
|name={{color2|000|Shigeki Morimoto|Morimoto}}
|game=BW
|location=Castelia City
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Limber
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Grass Knot|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Special
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=528
|pokemon=Swoobat
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Psychic
|type2=Flying
|ability=Unaware
|move1=Air Slash|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Special
|move2=Endeavor|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Psychic|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Psyshock|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=523
|pokemon=Zebstrika
|level=77
|gender=male
|type1=Electric
|ability=Lightningrod
|move1=Pursuit|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Giga Impact|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flame Charge|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Wild Charge|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=516
|pokemon=Simipour
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Petaya Berry
|move1=Surf|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=514
|pokemon=Simisear
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Petaya Berry
|move1=Flamethrower|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=512
|pokemon=Simisage
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Petaya Berry
|move1=Energy Ball|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
}}

===Battle Company===
====47F====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk F.png|Clerk ♀|Ingrid|760|1|507|Herdier|♀|19|None|36=ミチコ|37=Michiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Clemens|760|1|532|Timburr|♂|19|None|36=カツノリ|37=Katsunori}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Randall|912|1|524|Roggenrola|♂|19|None|36=ナオユキ|37=Naoyuki}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk F.png|Clerk ♀|Alberta|720|2|548|Petilil|♀|18|None|546|Cottonee|♀|18|None|36=モモコ|37=Momoko}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Warren|680|3|550|Basculin|♂|17|None|550B|Basculin|♂|17|None|550|Basculin|♂|17|None|36=ヒロノブ|37=Hironobu}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

====55F====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Ivan|800|1|527|Woobat|♂|20|None|36=カズヤ|37=Kazuya}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist F.png|Scientist|Samantha|960|1|517|Munna|♀|20|None|36=アカリ|37=Akari}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Steve|960|1|540|Sewaddle|♂|20|None|36=スティーブ|37=Steve}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M B.png|Clerk ♂|Wade|1520|3|513|Pansear|♂|19|None|511|Pansage|♂|19|None|515|Panpour|♂|19|None|36=コウイチ|37=Kōichi}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Janitor.png|Janitor|Geoff|4000|2|568|Trubbish|♂|20|None|572|Minccino|♀|20|None|36=シンノスケ|37=Shinnosuke}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Gym Street===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Plasma Grunt M.png|Team Plasma Grunt||680|2|551|Sandile|♂|17|None|551|Sandile|♂|17|None}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Central Plaza===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Mickey|672|1|511|Pansage|♂|21|None|36=ミッキー|37=Mickey}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Narrow Street===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Edmond|672|1|515|Panpour|♂|21|None|36=エドモンド|37=Edmond}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Unity Pier===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Raymond|672|1|513|Pansear|♂|21|None|36=レイモンド|37=Raymond}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Castelia Pikachu.png|thumb|220px|Pikachu inside the building]]
* Castelia's Japanese motto is {{tt|ヒウンは飛ぶ雲めでたい雲|Hiun is soaring clouds, auspicious clouds}}.
* Even though it was officially stated that no Pokémon from previous generations would appear in {{game|Black and White|s}} before obtaining the [[National Pokédex]], a {{p|Pikachu}} can be seen with a {{tc|Hiker}} inside the same building as the [[Name Rater]] in Castelia City. Another Pikachu is depicted on a billboard in the city, above the [[Pokémon Center]]. However, they most likely meant that players could not obtain or battle any Pokémon before the National Pokédex.

==Name origin==
{| class="roundy" align="left" style="background: #c3c3c3; border: 3px solid #838383"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| ヒウンシティ ''Hiun City''
| 飛雲文 ''hiunmon'', a type of pattern based around swirling clouds ([[Media:Hiun pattern.jpg|example]]). 飛雲 ''hiun'' translates to "soaring clouds".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Castelia City
| From ''castellanus'', a cloud species. Also, from the Latin for castle.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Volucité
| From ''volume'' or ''volute'' (swirl), and ''cité'', city.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Stratos City
| Probably from {{wp|Stratus}} cloud or from ''Stratosphere''
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Austropoli
| From ''australe'', southern, or ''austro'', a southern wind, and the suffix ''-poli'', meaning city.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Ciudad Porcelana
| From ''porcelana'', {{wp|porcelain}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 구름시티 ''Gureum City''
| 구름 is the Korean word for cloud.

|}
{{-}}
{{Unova}} 
{{Project Cities and Towns notice}}

[[Category:Black and White locations]]
[[Category:Cities]]

[[de:Stratos City]]
[[fr:Volucité]]
[[it:Austropoli]]
[[ja:ヒウンシティ]]

Castelia City

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{{incomplete}}
{{Town infobox
|name=Castelia City
|jpname=ヒウンシティ
|jptrans=Hiun City
|image=Castelia City.png
|region=Unova
|generation=5
|slogan=A City of Grandeur
|mapdesc=A big city with skyscrapers piercing the clouds.
|north=Route 4
|regionnorth=Unova
|east=Skyarrow Bridge
|gym=Castelia Gym
|gymno=3
|leader=Burgh
|leadersprite=VSBurgh.png
|badge=Insect
|gymtype=Bug
|colordark=444444
|colormed=838383
|colorlight=C3C3C3
|map=Unova Castelia City Map.png
}}
'''Castelia City''' (Japanese: '''ヒウンシティ''' ''Hiun City'') is a large seaside city located in south central [[Unova]]. Unlike past cities, Castelia is a huge, sprawling metropolis, sporting many towering skyscrapers and other tall buildings. The city exists on the bottom of Unova's central peninsula, south of the desert and north of the sea, making for a perfect harbor city.

The city has only two possible entrances on foot: from the desert in the north, and from Unova's eastern third by way of the [[Skyarrow Bridge]].

Castelia City is geographically the largest city in the [[Pokémon world]], and contains many structural elements that have not been seen in cities in other regions. The city's core is a {{wp|central business district}}, with huge skyscrapers and other commercial buildings; a series of alleyways lead into this core, where smaller shops are set up among city traffic. The city's outskirts are bounded on all sides by harbor, where ships provide traffic to other regions in the Pokémon world.

==Places of interest==
===Along the wharf===
====Battle Company====
Battle Company is a multi-story building located on the corner of Mode Street along the wharf road, at the corner of Mode Street. Many [[Clerk]]s and {{tc|Scientist}}s may be battled there.
====Passerby Analytics HQ====
[[File:BW Prerelease Castelia City harbor.png|220px|thumb|Liberty Pier with a boat]]
The Passerby Analytics HQ is located on the corner of the street where Castelia City Gym is located. The {{player}} may receive a function for their C-Gear here for surveying other passer-by players of the games.

===Ocean Side===
There are five piers on the waterfront where certain ferries are docked. Opposite the street which the [[Castelia Gym|gym]] resides is Liberty Pier. The ferry found here will take the {{player}} to [[Liberty Garden]] if the player has a [[Liberty Pass]]. Unity Pier is across from Narrow Street, and its ferry is transport to the [[Unity Tower]]. Prime Pier is across from Mode Street. Occasionally docked at Prime Pier is the Plasma Ship, a black boat that Team Plasma uses to get to Liberty Garden. The fourth pier is called Cruise Dock, opposite Castelia Street. A short, unnamed pier lies directly south of the Skyarrow gate.

===Castelia Street===
Castelia Street has many people coming and going, especially durring the evenings when people are going home from work. This street features Game Freak HQ and a building where you can get one Pokémon per day massaged to increase its happiness.
====Game Freak====
The Game Freak headquarters are located in a large building on Castelia Street's right side; the developers can be found on 22F of the building. There is also a girl on the first floor who will show the player a photo of {{p|Zorua}}, adding it to the [[Pokédex]]. This is also where the Zorua event takes place.

===Mode Street===
Mode Street is another commuter-heavy street. There are many trees planted along its sides.

====Studio Castelia====
Studio Castelia is an art gallery. Every day, a {{tc|harlequin}} inside will ask the player to bring him a Pokémon of a certain type, and for doing so he will reward the player with their choice of one of the first five [[berries]].

====Casteliacone====
[[File:BW Prerelease Market.png|thumb|right|220px|Castelia Ice]]
Casteliacone is a popular ice cream stand. Ice cream called the [[Casteliacone]] can be purchased once per week every [[Tuesday]] for {{pdollar}}100, except in {{DL|Seasons|Winter}}. It heals all [[status ailment]]s of a single Pokémon.

===Narrow Street===
====Café Sonata====
A café. Inside, there is a {{tc|Musician}} who will teach {{p|Meloetta}} {{m|Relic Song}}.

===Central Plaza===
The Central Plaza is a park located at the intersection of all the streets in Castelia City. There are vending machines located here where the player may purchase [[drink]]s.

===Castelia City Gym===
{{main|Castelia Gym}}
The Castelia Gym is the official [[Gym]] of Castelia City, located on the western-most street above the Liberty Pier. The Gym also doubles as a working art gallery. It is based on {{type2|Bug}} [[Pokémon]]. The [[Gym Leader]] is [[Burgh]]. The Castelia City Gym is a Gym consisting of a honeycomb-shaped interior and "honey walls," with switches that release grates preventing {{pkmn|Trainer}}s from advancing. Some switches don't open the gates, but hide opponents instead. For defeating Burgh, Trainers receive the {{badge|Insect}} and {{TM|76|Struggle Bug}}.

==Demographics==
Castelia City's population is 130. Castelia City is the second most populous city in the [[Pokémon world]], behind its northern rival city, [[Nimbasa City]] while beating [[Goldenrod City]]'s population of 126.

==Items==
{{Itlisth|road}}
{{Itlistbod|Leaf Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the first option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Fire Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the second option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Water Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the third option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Eviolite|Received from a scientist in the same building as the person with a Patrat, if over 25 Pokémon have been seen in the Pokédex|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Psychic|Received from a Hiker on 11F of a building on Castelia Street|BW|display={{TM|44|Rest}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Lemonade|Received from the manager at the cafe on Narrow Street|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Normal|Received from a man behind a dumpster on Narrow Street|BW|display={{TM|70|Flash}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Quick Ball|Received from a Clerk ♂ in the upper-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display=[[Quick Ball]] ×3}}
{{Itlistbod|Timer Ball|Received from a Clerk ♂ in the upper-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display=[[Timer Ball]] ×3}}
{{Itlistbod|Revive|Lower-left corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display={{DL|Revive|Revive}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Scope Lens|Received from a Scientist in the lower-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Hyper Potion|Center of Battle Company's 55F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Exp. Share|Reward from the Janitor/President on Battle Company's 55F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Amulet Coin|Reward from Dancers after defeating all three|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Normal|Received from a girl on 47F of the party building before Route 4|BW|display={{TM|45|Attract}}}}
{{itlistbod|Poké Ball|Received from a woman in Passerby Analytics HQ|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Soda Pop|Reward for completing all the surveys at the Passerby Analytics HQ|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Yache Berry|Received from Iris after defeating [[Team Plasma]]|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Smoke Ball|In the building where the player meets with [[Team Plasma]]|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Cheri Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the first option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Chesto Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the second option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Pecha Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the third option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Rawst Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the fourth option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Aspear Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the fifth option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Wide Lens|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 5 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Everstone|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 10 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Zoom Lens|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 20 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Choice Scarf|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 30 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|PP Max|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 40 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Master Ball|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 50 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistfoot|road}}

==Pokémon==
{{catch/header|road|no}}
{{catch/div|road|Special}}
{{catch/entry5|570|Zorua|yes|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|Have an event Celebi in the party}}|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/footer|road}}

==Trainers==
[[File:Castelia City 3D.png|thumb|right|220px|Castelia City image from a TV commercial]]
===Game Freak===
{{Party
|color={{white color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{white color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Veteran M.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}6160
|class=Game Freak
|name={{color2|000|Shigeki Morimoto|Morimoto}}
|game=BW
|location=Castelia City
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Limber
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Grass Knot|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Special
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=528
|pokemon=Swoobat
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Psychic
|type2=Flying
|ability=Unaware
|move1=Air Slash|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Special
|move2=Endeavor|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Psychic|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Psyshock|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=523
|pokemon=Zebstrika
|level=77
|gender=male
|type1=Electric
|ability=Lightningrod
|move1=Pursuit|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Giga Impact|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flame Charge|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Wild Charge|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=516
|pokemon=Simipour
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Petaya Berry
|move1=Surf|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=514
|pokemon=Simisear
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Petaya Berry
|move1=Flamethrower|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=512
|pokemon=Simisage
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Petaya Berry
|move1=Energy Ball|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
}}

===Battle Company===
====47F====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk F.png|Clerk ♀|Ingrid|760|1|507|Herdier|♀|19|None|36=ミチコ|37=Michiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Clemens|760|1|532|Timburr|♂|19|None|36=カツノリ|37=Katsunori}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Randall|912|1|524|Roggenrola|♂|19|None|36=ナオユキ|37=Naoyuki}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk F.png|Clerk ♀|Alberta|720|2|548|Petilil|♀|18|None|546|Cottonee|♀|18|None|36=モモコ|37=Momoko}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Warren|680|3|550|Basculin|♂|17|None|550B|Basculin|♂|17|None|550|Basculin|♂|17|None|36=ヒロノブ|37=Hironobu}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

====55F====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Ivan|800|1|527|Woobat|♂|20|None|36=カズヤ|37=Kazuya}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist F.png|Scientist|Samantha|960|1|517|Munna|♀|20|None|36=アカリ|37=Akari}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Steve|960|1|540|Sewaddle|♂|20|None|36=スティーブ|37=Steve}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M B.png|Clerk ♂|Wade|1520|3|513|Pansear|♂|19|None|511|Pansage|♂|19|None|515|Panpour|♂|19|None|36=コウイチ|37=Kōichi}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Janitor.png|Janitor|Geoff|4000|2|568|Trubbish|♂|20|None|572|Minccino|♀|20|None|36=シンノスケ|37=Shinnosuke}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Gym Street===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Plasma Grunt M.png|Team Plasma Grunt||680|2|551|Sandile|♂|17|None|551|Sandile|♂|17|None}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Central Plaza===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Mickey|672|1|511|Pansage|♂|21|None|36=ミッキー|37=Mickey}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Narrow Street===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Edmond|672|1|515|Panpour|♂|21|None|36=エドモンド|37=Edmond}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Unity Pier===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Raymond|672|1|513|Pansear|♂|21|None|36=レイモンド|37=Raymond}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Castelia Pikachu.png|thumb|220px|Pikachu inside the building]]
* Castelia's Japanese motto is {{tt|ヒウンは飛ぶ雲めでたい雲|Hiun is soaring clouds, auspicious clouds}}.
* Even though it was officially stated that no Pokémon from previous generations would appear in {{game|Black and White|s}} before obtaining the [[National Pokédex]], a {{p|Pikachu}} can be seen with a {{tc|Hiker}} inside the same building as the [[Name Rater]] in Castelia City. Another Pikachu is depicted on a billboard in the city, above the [[Pokémon Center]]. However, they most likely meant that players could not obtain or battle any Pokémon before the National Pokédex.

==Name origin==
{| class="roundy" align="left" style="background: #c3c3c3; border: 3px solid #838383"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| ヒウンシティ ''Hiun City''
| 飛雲文 ''hiunmon'', a type of pattern based around swirling clouds ([[Media:Hiun pattern.jpg|example]]). 飛雲 ''hiun'' translates to "soaring clouds".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Castelia City
| From ''castellanus'', a cloud species. Also, from the Latin for castle.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Volucité
| From ''volume'' or ''volute'' (swirl), and ''cité'', city.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Stratos City
| Probably from {{wp|Stratus}} cloud or from ''Stratosphere''
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Austropoli
| From ''australe'', southern, or ''austro'', a southern wind, and the suffix ''-poli'', meaning city.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Ciudad Porcelana
| From ''porcelana'', {{wp|porcelain}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 구름시티 ''Gureum City''
| 구름 is the Korean word for cloud.

|}
{{-}}
{{Unova}} 
{{Project Cities and Towns notice}}

[[Category:Black and White locations]]
[[Category:Cities]]

[[de:Stratos City]]
[[fr:Volucité]]
[[it:Austropoli]]
[[ja:ヒウンシティ]]

Castelia City

2011-03-12T19:21:21Z

NotSteve: /* Castelia Street */

{{incomplete}}
{{Town infobox
|name=Castelia City
|jpname=ヒウンシティ
|jptrans=Hiun City
|image=Castelia City.png
|region=Unova
|generation=5
|slogan=A City of Grandeur
|mapdesc=A big city with skyscrapers piercing the clouds.
|north=Route 4
|regionnorth=Unova
|east=Skyarrow Bridge
|gym=Castelia Gym
|gymno=3
|leader=Burgh
|leadersprite=VSBurgh.png
|badge=Insect
|gymtype=Bug
|colordark=444444
|colormed=838383
|colorlight=C3C3C3
|map=Unova Castelia City Map.png
}}
'''Castelia City''' (Japanese: '''ヒウンシティ''' ''Hiun City'') is a large seaside city located in south central [[Unova]]. Unlike past cities, Castelia is a huge, sprawling metropolis, sporting many towering skyscrapers and other tall buildings. The city exists on the bottom of Unova's central peninsula, south of the desert and north of the sea, making for a perfect harbor city.

The city has only two possible entrances on foot: from the desert in the north, and from Unova's eastern third by way of the [[Skyarrow Bridge]].

Castelia City is geographically the largest city in the [[Pokémon world]], and contains many structural elements that have not been seen in cities in other regions. The city's core is a {{wp|central business district}}, with huge skyscrapers and other commercial buildings; a series of alleyways lead into this core, where smaller shops are set up among city traffic. The city's outskirts are bounded on all sides by harbor, where ships provide traffic to other regions in the Pokémon world.

==Places of interest==
===Along the wharf===
====Battle Company====
Battle Company is a multi-story building located on the corner of Mode Street along the wharf road, at the corner of Mode Street. Many [[Clerk]]s and {{tc|Scientist}}s may be battled there.
====Passerby Analytics HQ====
[[File:BW Prerelease Castelia City harbor.png|220px|thumb|Liberty Pier with a boat]]
The Passerby Analytics HQ is located on the corner of the street where Castelia City Gym is located. The {{player}} may receive a function for their C-Gear here for surveying other passer-by players of the games.

===Ocean Side===
There are five piers on the waterfront where certain ferries are docked. Opposite the street which the [[Castelia Gym|gym]] resides is Liberty Pier. The ferry found here will take the {{player}} to [[Liberty Garden]] if the player has a [[Liberty Pass]]. Unity Pier is across from Narrow Street, and its ferry is transport to the [[Unity Tower]]. Prime Pier is across from Mode Street. Occasionally docked at Prime Pier is the Plasma Ship, a black boat that Team Plasma uses to get to Liberty Garden. The fourth pier is called Cruise Dock, opposite Castelia Street. A short, unnamed pier lies directly south of the Skyarrow gate.

===Castelia Street===
Castelia Street has many people coming and going, especially durring the evenings when people are going home from work. This street has Game Freak HQ and also a building where you can get one Pokémon per day messaged to increase its happiness.
====Game Freak====
The Game Freak headquarters are located in a large building on Castelia Street's left side; the developers can be found on the 22F of the building. Also, there is a girl on the first floor who shows you a photo of {{p|Zorua}}, adding it to the [[Pokédex]]. This is also where the Zorua event takes place.

===Mode Street===
====Studio Castelia====
Studio Castelia is an art gallery. Every day, a {{tc|harlequin}} inside will ask the player to bring him a Pokémon of a certain type, and for doing so he will reward the player with their choice of one of the first five [[berries]].

====Casteliacone====
[[File:BW Prerelease Market.png|thumb|right|220px|Castelia Ice]]
Casteliacone is a popular ice cream stand. Ice cream called the [[Casteliacone]] can be purchased once per week every [[Tuesday]] for {{pdollar}}100, except in {{DL|Seasons|Winter}}. It heals all [[status ailment]]s of a single Pokémon.

===Narrow Street===
====Café Sonata====
A café. Inside, there is a {{tc|Musician}} who will teach {{p|Meloetta}} {{m|Relic Song}}.

===Central Plaza===
The Central Plaza is a park located at the intersection of all the streets in Castelia City. There are vending machines located here where the player may purchase [[drink]]s.

===Castelia City Gym===
{{main|Castelia Gym}}
The Castelia Gym is the official [[Gym]] of Castelia City, located on the western-most street above the Liberty Pier. The Gym also doubles as a working art gallery. It is based on {{type2|Bug}} [[Pokémon]]. The [[Gym Leader]] is [[Burgh]]. The Castelia City Gym is a Gym consisting of a honeycomb-shaped interior and "honey walls," with switches that release grates preventing {{pkmn|Trainer}}s from advancing. Some switches don't open the gates, but hide opponents instead. For defeating Burgh, Trainers receive the {{badge|Insect}} and {{TM|76|Struggle Bug}}.

==Demographics==
Castelia City's population is 130. Castelia City is the second most populous city in the [[Pokémon world]], behind its northern rival city, [[Nimbasa City]] while beating [[Goldenrod City]]'s population of 126.

==Items==
{{Itlisth|road}}
{{Itlistbod|Leaf Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the first option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Fire Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the second option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Water Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the third option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Eviolite|Received from a scientist in the same building as the person with a Patrat, if over 25 Pokémon have been seen in the Pokédex|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Psychic|Received from a Hiker on 11F of a building on Castelia Street|BW|display={{TM|44|Rest}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Lemonade|Received from the manager at the cafe on Narrow Street|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Normal|Received from a man behind a dumpster on Narrow Street|BW|display={{TM|70|Flash}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Quick Ball|Received from a Clerk ♂ in the upper-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display=[[Quick Ball]] ×3}}
{{Itlistbod|Timer Ball|Received from a Clerk ♂ in the upper-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display=[[Timer Ball]] ×3}}
{{Itlistbod|Revive|Lower-left corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display={{DL|Revive|Revive}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Scope Lens|Received from a Scientist in the lower-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Hyper Potion|Center of Battle Company's 55F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Exp. Share|Reward from the Janitor/President on Battle Company's 55F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Amulet Coin|Reward from Dancers after defeating all three|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Normal|Received from a girl on 47F of the party building before Route 4|BW|display={{TM|45|Attract}}}}
{{itlistbod|Poké Ball|Received from a woman in Passerby Analytics HQ|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Soda Pop|Reward for completing all the surveys at the Passerby Analytics HQ|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Yache Berry|Received from Iris after defeating [[Team Plasma]]|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Smoke Ball|In the building where the player meets with [[Team Plasma]]|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Cheri Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the first option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Chesto Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the second option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Pecha Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the third option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Rawst Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the fourth option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Aspear Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the fifth option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Wide Lens|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 5 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Everstone|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 10 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Zoom Lens|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 20 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Choice Scarf|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 30 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|PP Max|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 40 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Master Ball|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 50 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistfoot|road}}

==Pokémon==
{{catch/header|road|no}}
{{catch/div|road|Special}}
{{catch/entry5|570|Zorua|yes|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|Have an event Celebi in the party}}|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/footer|road}}

==Trainers==
[[File:Castelia City 3D.png|thumb|right|220px|Castelia City image from a TV commercial]]
===Game Freak===
{{Party
|color={{white color}}
|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{white color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Veteran M.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}6160
|class=Game Freak
|name={{color2|000|Shigeki Morimoto|Morimoto}}
|game=BW
|location=Castelia City
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=510
|pokemon=Liepard
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Dark
|ability=Limber
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Grass Knot|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Special
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=528
|pokemon=Swoobat
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Psychic
|type2=Flying
|ability=Unaware
|move1=Air Slash|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Special
|move2=Endeavor|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Psychic|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Psyshock|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=523
|pokemon=Zebstrika
|level=77
|gender=male
|type1=Electric
|ability=Lightningrod
|move1=Pursuit|move1type=Dark|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Giga Impact|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flame Charge|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Wild Charge|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=516
|pokemon=Simipour
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Petaya Berry
|move1=Surf|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=514
|pokemon=Simisear
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Petaya Berry
|move1=Flamethrower|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=512
|pokemon=Simisage
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Petaya Berry
|move1=Energy Ball|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
}}

===Battle Company===
====47F====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk F.png|Clerk ♀|Ingrid|760|1|507|Herdier|♀|19|None|36=ミチコ|37=Michiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Clemens|760|1|532|Timburr|♂|19|None|36=カツノリ|37=Katsunori}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Randall|912|1|524|Roggenrola|♂|19|None|36=ナオユキ|37=Naoyuki}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk F.png|Clerk ♀|Alberta|720|2|548|Petilil|♀|18|None|546|Cottonee|♀|18|None|36=モモコ|37=Momoko}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Warren|680|3|550|Basculin|♂|17|None|550B|Basculin|♂|17|None|550|Basculin|♂|17|None|36=ヒロノブ|37=Hironobu}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

====55F====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Ivan|800|1|527|Woobat|♂|20|None|36=カズヤ|37=Kazuya}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist F.png|Scientist|Samantha|960|1|517|Munna|♀|20|None|36=アカリ|37=Akari}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Steve|960|1|540|Sewaddle|♂|20|None|36=スティーブ|37=Steve}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M B.png|Clerk ♂|Wade|1520|3|513|Pansear|♂|19|None|511|Pansage|♂|19|None|515|Panpour|♂|19|None|36=コウイチ|37=Kōichi}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Janitor.png|Janitor|Geoff|4000|2|568|Trubbish|♂|20|None|572|Minccino|♀|20|None|36=シンノスケ|37=Shinnosuke}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Gym Street===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Plasma Grunt M.png|Team Plasma Grunt||680|2|551|Sandile|♂|17|None|551|Sandile|♂|17|None}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Central Plaza===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Mickey|672|1|511|Pansage|♂|21|None|36=ミッキー|37=Mickey}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Narrow Street===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Edmond|672|1|515|Panpour|♂|21|None|36=エドモンド|37=Edmond}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Unity Pier===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Raymond|672|1|513|Pansear|♂|21|None|36=レイモンド|37=Raymond}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Castelia Pikachu.png|thumb|220px|Pikachu inside the building]]
* Castelia's Japanese motto is {{tt|ヒウンは飛ぶ雲めでたい雲|Hiun is soaring clouds, auspicious clouds}}.
* Even though it was officially stated that no Pokémon from previous generations would appear in {{game|Black and White|s}} before obtaining the [[National Pokédex]], a {{p|Pikachu}} can be seen with a {{tc|Hiker}} inside the same building as the [[Name Rater]] in Castelia City. Another Pikachu is depicted on a billboard in the city, above the [[Pokémon Center]]. However, they most likely meant that players could not obtain or battle any Pokémon before the National Pokédex.

==Name origin==
{| class="roundy" align="left" style="background: #c3c3c3; border: 3px solid #838383"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| ヒウンシティ ''Hiun City''
| 飛雲文 ''hiunmon'', a type of pattern based around swirling clouds ([[Media:Hiun pattern.jpg|example]]). 飛雲 ''hiun'' translates to "soaring clouds".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Castelia City
| From ''castellanus'', a cloud species. Also, from the Latin for castle.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Volucité
| From ''volume'' or ''volute'' (swirl), and ''cité'', city.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Stratos City
| Probably from {{wp|Stratus}} cloud or from ''Stratosphere''
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Austropoli
| From ''australe'', southern, or ''austro'', a southern wind, and the suffix ''-poli'', meaning city.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Ciudad Porcelana
| From ''porcelana'', {{wp|porcelain}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 구름시티 ''Gureum City''
| 구름 is the Korean word for cloud.

|}
{{-}}
{{Unova}} 
{{Project Cities and Towns notice}}

[[Category:Black and White locations]]
[[Category:Cities]]

[[de:Stratos City]]
[[fr:Volucité]]
[[it:Austropoli]]
[[ja:ヒウンシティ]]

Castelia City

2011-03-12T19:15:49Z

NotSteve: /* Ocean Side */

{{incomplete}}
{{Town infobox
|name=Castelia City
|jpname=ヒウンシティ
|jptrans=Hiun City
|image=Castelia City.png
|region=Unova
|generation=5
|slogan=A City of Grandeur
|mapdesc=A big city with skyscrapers piercing the clouds.
|north=Route 4
|regionnorth=Unova
|east=Skyarrow Bridge
|gym=Castelia Gym
|gymno=3
|leader=Burgh
|leadersprite=VSBurgh.png
|badge=Insect
|gymtype=Bug
|colordark=444444
|colormed=838383
|colorlight=C3C3C3
|map=Unova Castelia City Map.png
}}
'''Castelia City''' (Japanese: '''ヒウンシティ''' ''Hiun City'') is a large seaside city located in south central [[Unova]]. Unlike past cities, Castelia is a huge, sprawling metropolis, sporting many towering skyscrapers and other tall buildings. The city exists on the bottom of Unova's central peninsula, south of the desert and north of the sea, making for a perfect harbor city.

The city has only two possible entrances on foot: from the desert in the north, and from Unova's eastern third by way of the [[Skyarrow Bridge]].

Castelia City is geographically the largest city in the [[Pokémon world]], and contains many structural elements that have not been seen in cities in other regions. The city's core is a {{wp|central business district}}, with huge skyscrapers and other commercial buildings; a series of alleyways lead into this core, where smaller shops are set up among city traffic. The city's outskirts are bounded on all sides by harbor, where ships provide traffic to other regions in the Pokémon world.

==Places of interest==
===Along the wharf===
====Battle Company====
Battle Company is a multi-story building located on the corner of Mode Street along the wharf road, at the corner of Mode Street. Many [[Clerk]]s and {{tc|Scientist}}s may be battled there.
====Passerby Analytics HQ====
[[File:BW Prerelease Castelia City harbor.png|220px|thumb|Liberty Pier with a boat]]
The Passerby Analytics HQ is located on the corner of the street where Castelia City Gym is located. The {{player}} may receive a function for their C-Gear here for surveying other passer-by players of the games.

===Ocean Side===
There are five piers on the waterfront where certain ferries are docked. Across from the street on which the [[Castelia Gym|Gym]] resides is Liberty Pier. This ferry will take the {{player}} to [[Liberty Garden Island]] if the player has a [[Liberty Pass]]. Unity Pier is across from Narrow Street, and its ferry is transport to the [[Unity Tower]]. Prime Pier is across from Mode Street. Occasionally docked at Prime Pier is the Plasma Ship, a black boat that Team Plasma uses to get to Liberty Garden. Team Plasma also steals [[Bianca|Bianca's]] [[Munna]] here. The fourth pier is called Cruise Dock, and is across from Castelia Street. A short, unnamed pier lies directly South of the Skyarrow gate, and is where a man gives you an evolutionary stone to evolve [[Pansage]], [[Pansear]], or [[Panpour]].

===Castelia Street===
====Game Freak====
The Game Freak headquarters are located in a large building on Castelia Street's left side; the developers can be found on the 22F of the building. Also, there is a girl on the first floor who shows you a photo of {{p|Zorua}}, adding it to the [[Pokédex]]. This is also where the Zorua event takes place.

===Mode Street===
====Studio Castelia====
Studio Castelia is an art gallery. Every day, a {{tc|harlequin}} inside will ask the player to bring him a Pokémon of a certain type, and for doing so he will reward the player with their choice of one of the first five [[berries]].

====Casteliacone====
[[File:BW Prerelease Market.png|thumb|right|220px|Castelia Ice]]
Casteliacone is a popular ice cream stand. Ice cream called the [[Casteliacone]] can be purchased once per week every [[Tuesday]] for {{pdollar}}100, except in {{DL|Seasons|Winter}}. It heals all [[status ailment]]s of a single Pokémon.

===Narrow Street===
====Café Sonata====
A café. Inside, there is a {{tc|Musician}} who will teach {{p|Meloetta}} {{m|Relic Song}}.

===Central Plaza===
The Central Plaza is a park located at the intersection of all the streets in Castelia City. There are vending machines located here where the player may purchase [[drink]]s.

===Castelia City Gym===
{{main|Castelia Gym}}
The Castelia Gym is the official [[Gym]] of Castelia City, located on the western-most street above the Liberty Pier. The Gym also doubles as a working art gallery. It is based on {{type2|Bug}} [[Pokémon]]. The [[Gym Leader]] is [[Burgh]]. The Castelia City Gym is a Gym consisting of a honeycomb-shaped interior and "honey walls," with switches that release grates preventing {{pkmn|Trainer}}s from advancing. Some switches don't open the gates, but hide opponents instead. For defeating Burgh, Trainers receive the {{badge|Insect}} and {{TM|76|Struggle Bug}}.

==Demographics==
Castelia City's population is 130. Castelia City is the second most populous city in the [[Pokémon world]], behind its northern rival city, [[Nimbasa City]] while beating [[Goldenrod City]]'s population of 126.

==Items==
{{Itlisth|road}}
{{Itlistbod|Leaf Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the first option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Fire Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the second option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Water Stone|Received from a man on the pier to the south of the city entrance if the third option is chosen|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Eviolite|Received from a scientist in the same building as the person with a Patrat, if over 25 Pokémon have been seen in the Pokédex|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Psychic|Received from a Hiker on 11F of a building on Castelia Street|BW|display={{TM|44|Rest}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Lemonade|Received from the manager at the cafe on Narrow Street|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Normal|Received from a man behind a dumpster on Narrow Street|BW|display={{TM|70|Flash}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Quick Ball|Received from a Clerk ♂ in the upper-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display=[[Quick Ball]] ×3}}
{{Itlistbod|Timer Ball|Received from a Clerk ♂ in the upper-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display=[[Timer Ball]] ×3}}
{{Itlistbod|Revive|Lower-left corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW|display={{DL|Revive|Revive}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Scope Lens|Received from a Scientist in the lower-right corner of Battle Company's 47F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Hyper Potion|Center of Battle Company's 55F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Exp. Share|Reward from the Janitor/President on Battle Company's 55F|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Amulet Coin|Reward from Dancers after defeating all three|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Normal|Received from a girl on 47F of the party building before Route 4|BW|display={{TM|45|Attract}}}}
{{itlistbod|Poké Ball|Received from a woman in Passerby Analytics HQ|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Soda Pop|Reward for completing all the surveys at the Passerby Analytics HQ|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Yache Berry|Received from Iris after defeating [[Team Plasma]]|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Smoke Ball|In the building where the player meets with [[Team Plasma]]|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Cheri Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the first option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Chesto Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the second option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Pecha Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the third option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Rawst Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the fourth option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Aspear Berry|Received from the clown at Studio Castelia if the fifth option is chosen after showing the asked type of Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Wide Lens|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 5 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Everstone|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 10 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Zoom Lens|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 20 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Choice Scarf|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 30 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|PP Max|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 40 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Master Ball|From the man in black inside the Pokémon Center after the player has traded 50 Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistfoot|road}}

==Pokémon==
{{catch/header|road|no}}
{{catch/div|road|Special}}
{{catch/entry5|570|Zorua|yes|yes|yes|Gift|10|all={{tt|One|Have an event Celebi in the party}}|type1=Dark}}
{{catch/footer|road}}

==Trainers==
[[File:Castelia City 3D.png|thumb|right|220px|Castelia City image from a TV commercial]]
===Game Freak===
{{Party
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|headcolor={{black color light}}
|bordercolor={{white color dark}}
|sprite=Spr BW Veteran M.png
|prize={{Pdollar}}6160
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|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/5
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|pokemon=Liepard
|level=75
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|type1=Dark
|ability=Limber
|move1=Fake Out|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Grass Knot|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Special
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|move4=Sucker Punch|move4type=Dark|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/5
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|ndex=528
|pokemon=Swoobat
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|ability=Unaware
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|move3=Psychic|move3type=Psychic|move3cat=Special
|move4=Psyshock|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Special}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon/5
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|pokemon=Zebstrika
|level=77
|gender=male
|type1=Electric
|ability=Lightningrod
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|move2=Giga Impact|move2type=Normal|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flame Charge|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Wild Charge|move4type=Electric|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=516
|pokemon=Simipour
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Gluttony
|held=Petaya Berry
|move1=Surf|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon/5
|game=Black
|ndex=514
|pokemon=Simisear
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
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|move1=Flamethrower|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
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|pokemon=Simisage
|level=75
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
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|move1=Energy Ball|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
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|move3=Payback|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Acrobatics|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical}}
}}

===Battle Company===
====47F====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk F.png|Clerk ♀|Ingrid|760|1|507|Herdier|♀|19|None|36=ミチコ|37=Michiko}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Clemens|760|1|532|Timburr|♂|19|None|36=カツノリ|37=Katsunori}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Randall|912|1|524|Roggenrola|♂|19|None|36=ナオユキ|37=Naoyuki}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk F.png|Clerk ♀|Alberta|720|2|548|Petilil|♀|18|None|546|Cottonee|♀|18|None|36=モモコ|37=Momoko}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Warren|680|3|550|Basculin|♂|17|None|550B|Basculin|♂|17|None|550|Basculin|♂|17|None|36=ヒロノブ|37=Hironobu}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

====55F====
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M A.png|Clerk ♂|Ivan|800|1|527|Woobat|♂|20|None|36=カズヤ|37=Kazuya}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist F.png|Scientist|Samantha|960|1|517|Munna|♀|20|None|36=アカリ|37=Akari}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Scientist M.png|Scientist|Steve|960|1|540|Sewaddle|♂|20|None|36=スティーブ|37=Steve}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Clerk M B.png|Clerk ♂|Wade|1520|3|513|Pansear|♂|19|None|511|Pansage|♂|19|None|515|Panpour|♂|19|None|36=コウイチ|37=Kōichi}}
{{Trainerdiv|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Janitor.png|Janitor|Geoff|4000|2|568|Trubbish|♂|20|None|572|Minccino|♀|20|None|36=シンノスケ|37=Shinnosuke}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Gym Street===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Plasma Grunt M.png|Team Plasma Grunt||680|2|551|Sandile|♂|17|None|551|Sandile|♂|17|None}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Central Plaza===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Mickey|672|1|511|Pansage|♂|21|None|36=ミッキー|37=Mickey}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Narrow Street===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Edmond|672|1|515|Panpour|♂|21|None|36=エドモンド|37=Edmond}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

===Unity Pier===
{{trainerheader|road}}
{{Trainerentry|Spr BW Dancer.png|Dancer|Raymond|672|1|513|Pansear|♂|21|None|36=レイモンド|37=Raymond}}
{{Trainerfooter|road|5}}

==Trivia==
[[File:Castelia Pikachu.png|thumb|220px|Pikachu inside the building]]
* Castelia's Japanese motto is {{tt|ヒウンは飛ぶ雲めでたい雲|Hiun is soaring clouds, auspicious clouds}}.
* Even though it was officially stated that no Pokémon from previous generations would appear in {{game|Black and White|s}} before obtaining the [[National Pokédex]], a {{p|Pikachu}} can be seen with a {{tc|Hiker}} inside the same building as the [[Name Rater]] in Castelia City. Another Pikachu is depicted on a billboard in the city, above the [[Pokémon Center]]. However, they most likely meant that players could not obtain or battle any Pokémon before the National Pokédex.

==Name origin==
{| class="roundy" align="left" style="background: #c3c3c3; border: 3px solid #838383"
|- align=center
! style="{{roundytl|5px}}" | Language
! Name
! style="{{roundytr|5px}}" | Origin
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| ヒウンシティ ''Hiun City''
| 飛雲文 ''hiunmon'', a type of pattern based around swirling clouds ([[Media:Hiun pattern.jpg|example]]). 飛雲 ''hiun'' translates to "soaring clouds".
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English
| Castelia City
| From ''castellanus'', a cloud species. Also, from the Latin for castle.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Volucité
| From ''volume'' or ''volute'' (swirl), and ''cité'', city.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Stratos City
| Probably from {{wp|Stratus}} cloud or from ''Stratosphere''
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Italian
| Austropoli
| From ''australe'', southern, or ''austro'', a southern wind, and the suffix ''-poli'', meaning city.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Ciudad Porcelana
| From ''porcelana'', {{wp|porcelain}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 구름시티 ''Gureum City''
| 구름 is the Korean word for cloud.

|}
{{-}}
{{Unova}} 
{{Project Cities and Towns notice}}

[[Category:Black and White locations]]
[[Category:Cities]]

[[de:Stratos City]]
[[fr:Volucité]]
[[it:Austropoli]]
[[ja:ヒウンシティ]]

Talk:Water Absorb (Ability)

2011-03-12T18:39:47Z

NotSteve: /* Stat Influences */ new section

Should Vaporeon really have that note there? We don't know if only Vaporeon from the Dream World have Hydration. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:00, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

== Stat Influences ==

Hypothetically, if two Squirtle, both Lv. 100, one with higher Special Attack, use Water Gun on a Lv. 100 Poliwhirl with Water Absorb, will the one with higher Special Attack restore more HP? [[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]] 18:39, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

User:NotSteve

2011-03-12T02:12:43Z

NotSteve: /* SoulSilver Team */

{| width="100%" style="background: #{{fire color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{dragon color}}; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 1em;"
|-
| text align="left" style="background: #{{ice color light}};" | __NOTOC__

[[File:Spr 5b 533.png]] Please Pardon Our Dust: Currently Renovating

== Current Projects ==

[[File:Spr 5b 571.png]]Working on a more detailed synopsis for [[m13|Master of Illusions]]. Should be done before April (Hopefully).

[[File:Spr 5b 644.png]]My [[User:NotSteve/Adventure|Adventure Log]] is now ready to go! I should be updating any day now, so keep checking for more!

== SoulSilver Team ==
{| align="center" width="100%"
|-
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Lugia (Lv. 100)|249Lugia.png|Psychic|Flying|link=Lugia (Pokémon}}
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Feraligatr (Lv. 100)|160Feraligatr.png|water|water|link=Feraligatr (Pokémon)}} ♂
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Blaziken (Lv. 100)|257Blaziken.png|fire|Fighting|link=Blaziken (Pokémon)}} ♂
|-
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Garchomp (Lv. 100)|445Garchomp.png|Dragon|Ground|link=Garchomp (Pokémon)}} ♂
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Luxray (Lv. 100)|405Luxray.png|Electric|Electric|link=Luxray (Pokémon)}} ♂
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Rayquaza (Lv.100)|384Rayquaza.png|Dragon|Flying|link=Rayquaza (Pokémon)}}
|}

{{Party|
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|pokemon1={{Pokémon
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|move3cat=Special
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|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Physical}}
}}

== Favorite Pokémon ==
My usertags area is becoming a bit cluttered, so here's a chart!

== User Tags ==
<div class="userbox">

{| width="100%" style="background:#F8F8F8;" class="expandable"
About Me
{{User Country|628|the United States|red color|white color|blue color}}
{{User Male|475|Ice}}
{{User en-N}}
{{User EST}}
{{User Likes Blue|160}}

{| width="100%" style="background:#F8F8F8;" class="expandable"
Favorite Pokemon
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{{User Favorite|061|Poliwhirl|Water}}
{{User Favorite Psychic|386|Deoxys}}
{{User Favorite Starter|158|Water-Type|Totodile|Water|Blue|Water}}
{{User Favorite |160|Feraligatr|Water}}
{{User Favorite Electric|462|Magnezone}}
{{User Favorite Fire|257|Blaziken|Fire}}

{| width="100%" style="background:#F8F8F8;" class="expandable"
Games I Play
{{User Emerald}}
{{User Starter|255|Torchic}}
{{User LeafGreen}}
{{User Starter|001|Bulbasaur}}
{{User Pearl}}
{{User Starter|387|Turtwig}}
{{User Yellow}}
{{User Starter|025|Pikachu (Duh)}}
{{User Platinum}}
{{User Starter|393|Piplup}}
{{User SoulSilver}}
{{User Starter|158|Totodile}}
{{User White}}
{{User Starter|495|Snivy}}
{{User Super Smash Bros. Brawl}}
{{User Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time}}
{{User Starter|158|Totodile}}
{{User Starter|155|Cyndaquil}}

{| width="100%" style="background:#F8F8F8;" class="expandable"
Other Stuff
{{User Grass|253}}
{{User Water|160}}

My Pet
{{User Pet|Hermit Crab|557}}

User:NotSteve

2011-03-12T02:08:02Z

NotSteve: /* User Tags */

{| width="100%" style="background: #{{fire color}}; -moz-border-radius: 1em; border: 5px solid #{{dragon color}}; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 1em;"
|-
| text align="left" style="background: #{{ice color light}};" | __NOTOC__

[[File:Spr 5b 533.png]] Please Pardon Our Dust: Currently Renovating

== Current Projects ==

[[File:Spr 5b 571.png]]Working on a more detailed synopsis for [[m13|Master of Illusions]]. Should be done before April (Hopefully).

[[File:Spr 5b 644.png]]My [[User:NotSteve/Adventure|Adventure Log]] is now ready to go! I should be updating any day now, so keep checking for more!

== SoulSilver Team ==
{| align="center" width="100%"
|-
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Lugia (Lv. 100)|249Lugia.png|Psychic|Flying|link=Lugia (Pokémon}}
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Feraligatr (Lv. 100)|160Feraligatr.png|water|water|link=Feraligatr (Pokémon)}} ♂
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Blaziken (Lv. 100)|257Blaziken.png|fire|Fighting|link=Blaziken (Pokémon)}} ♂
|-
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Garchomp (Lv. 100)|445Garchomp.png|Dragon|Ground|link=Garchomp (Pokémon)}} ♂
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Luxray (Lv. 100)|405Luxray.png|Electric|Electric|link=Luxray (Pokémon)}} ♂
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Rayquaza (Lv.100)|384Rayquaza.png|Dragon|Flying|link=Rayquaza (Pokémon)}}
|}

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|pokemon=6

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|pokemon4={{Pokémon
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|gender=male
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|move4cat=Physical}}
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|move2cat=Special
|move3=Hyper Beam
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Fly
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Physical}}
}}

== Favorite Pokémon ==
My usertags area is becoming a bit cluttered, so here's a chart!

== User Tags ==
<div class="userbox">

{| width="100%" style="background:#F8F8F8;" class="expandable"
About Me
{{User Country|628|the United States|red color|white color|blue color}}
{{User Male|475|Ice}}
{{User en-N}}
{{User EST}}
{{User Likes Blue|160}}

{| width="100%" style="background:#F8F8F8;" class="expandable"
Favorite Pokemon
{{User Favorite Legendary|249|Lugia|Flying}}
{{User Favorite|061|Poliwhirl|Water}}
{{User Favorite Psychic|386|Deoxys}}
{{User Favorite Starter|158|Water-Type|Totodile|Water|Blue|Water}}
{{User Favorite |160|Feraligatr|Water}}
{{User Favorite Electric|462|Magnezone}}
{{User Favorite Fire|257|Blaziken|Fire}}

{| width="100%" style="background:#F8F8F8;" class="expandable"
Games I Play
{{User Emerald}}
{{User Starter|255|Torchic}}
{{User LeafGreen}}
{{User Starter|001|Bulbasaur}}
{{User Pearl}}
{{User Starter|387|Turtwig}}
{{User Yellow}}
{{User Starter|025|Pikachu (Duh)}}
{{User Platinum}}
{{User Starter|393|Piplup}}
{{User SoulSilver}}
{{User Starter|158|Totodile}}
{{User White}}
{{User Starter|495|Snivy}}
{{User Super Smash Bros. Brawl}}
{{User Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time}}
{{User Starter|158|Totodile}}
{{User Starter|155|Cyndaquil}}

{| width="100%" style="background:#F8F8F8;" class="expandable"
Other Stuff
{{User Grass|253}}
{{User Water|160}}

My Pet
{{User Pet|Hermit Crab|557}}

User:NotSteve

2011-03-12T02:06:13Z

NotSteve: /* Current Projects */

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[[File:Spr 5b 533.png]] Please Pardon Our Dust: Currently Renovating

== Current Projects ==

[[File:Spr 5b 571.png]]Working on a more detailed synopsis for [[m13|Master of Illusions]]. Should be done before April (Hopefully).

[[File:Spr 5b 644.png]]My [[User:NotSteve/Adventure|Adventure Log]] is now ready to go! I should be updating any day now, so keep checking for more!

== SoulSilver Team ==
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| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Lugia (Lv. 100)|249Lugia.png|Psychic|Flying|link=Lugia (Pokémon}}
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Feraligatr (Lv. 100)|160Feraligatr.png|water|water|link=Feraligatr (Pokémon)}} ♂
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Blaziken (Lv. 100)|257Blaziken.png|fire|Fighting|link=Blaziken (Pokémon)}} ♂
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| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Garchomp (Lv. 100)|445Garchomp.png|Dragon|Ground|link=Garchomp (Pokémon)}} ♂
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Luxray (Lv. 100)|405Luxray.png|Electric|Electric|link=Luxray (Pokémon)}} ♂
| {{ActivePoké|NotSteve|Rayquaza (Lv.100)|384Rayquaza.png|Dragon|Flying|link=Rayquaza (Pokémon)}}
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{{Party|
|color={{orange color}}
|bordercolor={{red color dark}}
|headcolor={{blue color light}}
|sprite=Spr 2c 092 s.gif
|prize=Classified
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=NotSteve
|location=Location: Classified
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|game=Black and White
|ndex=257
|pokemon=Blaziken
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|held=
|level=100
|move1=Overheat
|move1type=Fire
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sky Uppercut
|move2type=Fighting
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Double Kick
|move3type=Fighting
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Blaze Kick
|move4type=Fire
|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|ndex=249
|pokemon=Lugia
|gender=
|game=Black and White
|type1=Psychic
|type2=Flying
|ability=Pressure
|held=Soothe Bell
|level=100
|move1=Extrasensory
|move1type=Psychic
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Dragon Rush
|move2type=Dragon
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Hydro Pump
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Aeroblast
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Special}}
|pokemon3={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|ndex=160
|pokemon=Feraligatr
|gender=male
|game=Black and White
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|level=100
|move1=Brick Break
|move1type=Fighting
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Surf
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Hydro Cannon
|move4type=Water
|move4cat=Special}}
|pokemon4={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|ndex=405
|pokemon=Luxray
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|game=Black and White
|type1=Electric
|ability=Rivalry
|held=Quick Claw
|level=100
|move1=Discharge
|move1type=Electric
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Crunch
|move2type=Dark
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Iron Tail
|move3type=Steel
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Thunder
|move4type=Electric
|move4cat=Special}}
|pokemon5={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|ndex=445 f
|pokemon=Garchomp
|gender=male
|game=Black and White
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Ground
|ability=Sand Veil
|level=100
|move1=Draco Meteor
|move1type=Dragon
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Dragon Pulse
|move2type=Dragon
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Earthquake
|move3type=Ground
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Shadow Claw
|move4type=Ghost
|move4cat=Physical}}
|pokemon6={{Pokémon
|gen=5
|ndex=384
|pokemon=Rayquaza
|gender=
|game=Black and White
|type1=Dragon
|type2=Flying
|ability=Air Lock
|level=100
|move1=Rest
|move1type=Psychic
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Dragon Pulse
|move2type=Dragon
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Hyper Beam
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Fly
|move4type=Flying
|move4cat=Physical}}
}}

== Favorite Pokémon ==
My usertags area is becoming a bit cluttered, so here's a chart!

== User Tags ==
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About Me
{{User Country|628|the United States|red color|white color|blue color}}
{{User Male|475|Ice}}
{{User en-N}}
{{User EST}}
{{User Likes Blue|160}}

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Favorite Pokemon
{{User Favorite Legendary|249|Lugia|Flying}}
{{User Favorite|061|Poliwhirl|Water}}
{{User Favorite Psychic|386|Deoxys}}
{{User Favorite Starter|158|Water-Type|Totodile|Water|Blue|Water}}
{{User Favorite |160|Feraligatr|Water}}
{{User Favorite Electric|462|Magnezone}}
{{User Favorite Fire|257|Blaziken|Fire}}

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Games I Play
{{User Emerald}}
{{User Starter|255|Torchic}}
{{User LeafGreen}}
{{User Starter|001|Bulbasaur}}
{{User Pearl}}
{{User Starter|387|Turtwig}}
{{User Yellow}}
{{User Starter|025|Pikachu (Duh)}}
{{User Platinum}}
{{User Starter|393|Piplup}}
{{User SoulSilver}}
{{User Starter|158|Totodile}}
{{User Super Smash Bros. Brawl}}
{{User Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time}}
{{User Starter|158|Totodile}}
{{User Starter|155|Cyndaquil}}

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Other Stuff
{{User Grass|253}}
{{User Water|160}}

My Pet
{{User Pet|Hermit Crab|557}}

User:NotSteve/Adventure

2011-03-12T02:01:01Z

NotSteve: /* NotSteve's Pokémon White Adventure Log */

== NotSteve's Pokémon White Adventure Log==

With the release of Pokémon White Version I have decided to keep a location-by-location log of the Pokémon I catch, as well as some interesting things I discover. This is '''''NOT''''' to be considered a walkthrough in any sense of the word. Feel free to sound off in the talk section of the article with your opinions and feelings (especially if I'm not supposed to be doing this on this page). Thanks a bunch, [[User:NotSteve|'''Not''']][[User talk:NotSteve|''S'''''teve''' 0_o]]

User:NotSteve/Adventure

2011-03-12T02:00:35Z

NotSteve: Starting a Sandbox

User talk:NotSteve

2011-03-12T01:39:06Z

NotSteve: /* Starting a Sandbox */ new section

==Welcome==
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== The Preview Button... ==

...is your best friend. Use it please. It helps reduce multiple saves in a short time span, and thus server load. It is located right next to the save page button. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|JediKnight]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|DTV]] 16:25, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Dude. Please use the preview button I have noticed you have edited [[DP183]] thirteen times in a row just simply adding to the plot. Just make one big edit to the plot once you have made sure to put everything in. Be sure to use that preview button before you get in trouble with an administrator. - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 17:11, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I keep having problems with the site logging me out when I preview my edits. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 16:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
: Happens all the time to me. Don't know why, but all you have to do is hit the back key on your browser and try again. You'll get in. Also make it less stressful on yourself by editing the content offline on Notepad or a similar program, that way you can just copy/paste right in, making sure to check the code. --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 17:04, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== HeartGold/SoulSilver ==

Should there be a "Reception" section on the HGSS page? If so, I can add it.--[[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 22:30, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Umm... ==

I'm not having a problem right now, but I went to edit my userspace and I got a message that Zhen Lin blocked my account in 2006...and I joined last September. Any explanation? [[User:NotSteve|Not]][[User talk:NotSteve|Steve]] 22:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

== Umm... ==

I'm not having a problem right now, but I went to edit my userspace and I got a message that Zhen Lin blocked my account in 2006...and I joined last September. Any explanation? [[User:NotSteve|Not]][[User talk:NotSteve|Steve]] 22:15, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
:I had that too for like five minutes after the lockdown ended. Just give it time. - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 22:17, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

== Starting a Sandbox ==

Thanks, and sorry for the double-post, everythings a little wonky due to server stress I suppose. I was wondering how I could start a Sandbox page from my userspace? I want to record some highlights of my captures in White, if I'm allowed. [[User:NotSteve|Not]][[User talk:NotSteve|Steve]] 01:39, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Pinwheel Forest

2011-03-12T01:33:19Z

NotSteve: /* In the anime */

{{incomplete}}
{{Infobox location
|type=forest
|image=Pinwheel Forest.png
|image_size=256
|location_name=Pinwheel Forest
|japanese_name={{tt|ヤグルマの森|yaguruma no mori}}
|translated_name=Yaguruma Forest
|location=Between [[Nacrene City]] and [[Skyarrow Bridge]]
|region=Unova
|generation={{gen|V}}
|map=Unova Pinwheel Forest map.png
}}
'''Pinwheel Forest''' (Japanese: '''{{tt|ヤグルマの森|ヤグルマのもり}}''' ''Yaguruma Forest'') is a forest in [[Unova]] which lies between [[Nacrene City]] and [[Castelia City]], at the east end of the [[Skyarrow Bridge]].

The [[legendary Pokémon]] {{p|Virizion}} can be found deep in the forest. However, in order to capture Virizion, the {{player}} must first encounter {{p|Cobalion}}, who resides in [[Mistralton Cave]].

==Geography==
There is an outer portion to the east which is accessible as soon as the player gains access to [[Nacrene City]], and an inner portion to the west which is accessible only after winning at the [[Nacrene Gym]].

Like in [[Eterna Forest]], it has a [[Moss Rock|moss-covered rock]] near the entrance. Leveling up {{p|Eevee}} in this forest will allow it to evolve into {{p|Leafeon}}.

==Items==
====Outer area====
{{Itlisth|forest}}
{{Itlistbod|Super Potion|
*In the north-east corner, alongside a fence near the [[Nacrene City]] end. ''(hidden)''
*In the south, near the dark patches|BW|display=[[Super Potion]] ×2}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Fighting|From a woman near the Nacrene City end|BW|display={{TM|94|Rock Smash}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Ether|
*Behind a fence near the Nacrene City end
*In the south-east corner, over some flowers near the stones ''(hidden)''|BW|display={{DL|Ether|Ether}} ×2}}
{{Itlistbod|Great Ball|Near the broken railway tracks|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Antidote|
*Down along the watery path
*In the big pool of water to the south ''(hidden)''|BW|display=[[Antidote]] ×2}}
{{Itlistbod|Star Piece|Received daily by smashing the Big Training Rock (ためしのいわ) with a {{type|Fighting}} Pokémon|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Net Ball|Down the ladder after the big stones|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TinyMushroom|In the south, near the dark patches, over a tiny pool of water ''(hidden)''|BW}}
{{Itlistfoot|forest}}

====Inner area====
{{Itlisth|forest}}
{{Itlistbod|Super Potion|West of {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}} Morito|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Antidote|Inside a tree stump, near {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}} Kiri|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TinyMushroom|
*South of the Super Potion that is West of {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}} Morito ''(hidden)''
*Inside a tree stump, south of {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}} Yasuko ''(hidden)''|BW|display=[[TinyMushroom]] ×2}}
{{Itlistbod|Big Root|Southwest of the second {{tc|Team Plasma Grunt}}.|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Chesto Berry|From {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}}s Morito and Kiri after defeating them.|BW|display=[[Chesto Berry]] ×2}}
{{Itlistbod|Pecha Berry|From {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}}s Yasuko and Miguel after defeating them.|BW|display=[[Pecha Berry]] ×2}}
{{Itlistbod|Parlyz Heal|Inside a tree stump, west of {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}} Miguel.|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Grass|East of {{tc|Pokémon Ranger}} Miguel.|BW|display={{TM|86|Grass Knot}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Moon Stone|Gift from [[Lenora]] after defeating [[Team Plasma]].|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Miracle Seed|East, after defeating [[Team Plasma]].|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|TM Grass|East of the bridge|BW|display={{TM|22|SolarBeam}}}}
{{Itlistbod|Rare Candy|East of the bridge, on the river margin ''(hidden)''|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|Hyper Potion|Northeast of the bridge, inside a tree stump|BW}}
{{Itlistbod|SilverPowder|West of the bridge (Requires {{m|Surf}})|BW}}
{{Itlistfoot|forest}}

==Pokémon==
===Generation V===
====Outer area====
{{Catch/header|forest|seasons=yes}}
{{catch/entry5|519|Pidove|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|12-15|all=30%|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5|532|Timburr|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|13-16|all=20%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry5|535|Tympole|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|12-17|all=40%|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|538|Throh|no|yes|N/A|Grass|12-15|all=10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry5|539|Sawk|yes|no|N/A|Grass|12-17|all=10%|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/div|forest|Shaky Patches}}
{{catch/entry5|531|Audino|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|12-15|all=95%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5|538|Throh|yes|no|N/A|Grass|15|all=5%|type1=fighting}}
{{catch/entry5|539|Sawk|no|yes|N/A|Grass|15|all=5%|type1=fighting}}
{{Catch/div|forest|Dark patches}}
{{catch/entry5|519|Pidove|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|14-15|all=Common|type1=Normal|type2=Flying}}
{{catch/entry5|532|Timburr|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|14-17|all=Common|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry5|535|Tympole|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|14-17|all=Common|type1=Water}}
{{catch/entry5|538|Throh|no|yes|N/A|Grass|14-17|all=Common|type1=Fighting}}
{{catch/entry5|539|Sawk|yes|no|N/A|Grass|14-17|all=Common|type1=Fighting}}
{{Catch/footer|forest}}

====Inner area====
{{Catch/header|forest|seasons=yes}}
{{catch/entry5|543|Venipede|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|15-16|all=20%|type1=bug|type2=poison}}
{{catch/entry5|540|Sewaddle|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|14-17|all=40%|type1=bug|type2=grass}}
{{catch/entry5|519|Pidove|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|15-16|all=10%|type1=normal|type2=flying}}
{{catch/entry5|546|Cottonee|yes|no|N/A|Grass|14||all=30%|type1=grass}}
{{catch/entry5|548|Petilil|no|yes|N/A|Grass|14-17|all=30%|type1=grass}}
{{catch/div|forest|Shaky Patches}}
{{catch/entry5|531|Audino|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|14-17|all=65%|type1=Normal}}
{{catch/entry5|511|Pansage|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|15|all=10%|type1=grass}}
{{catch/entry5|513|Pansear|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|15|all=10%|type1=fire}}
{{catch/entry5|515|Panpour|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|15|all=10%|type1=water}}
{{catch/entry5|547|Whimsicott|yes|no|N/A|Grass|15|all=5%|type1=grass}}
{{catch/entry5|549|Lilligant|no|yes|N/A|Grass|15-17|all=5%|type1=grass}}
{{Catch/div|forest|Dark patches}}
{{catch/entry5|520|Tranquill|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|23-24|all=10%|type1=normal|type2=flying}}
{{catch/entry5|541|Swadloon|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|22-25|all=40%|type1=bug|type2=grass}}
{{catch/entry5|544|Whirlipede|yes|yes|N/A|Grass|23-24|all=10%|type1=bug|type2=poison}}
{{catch/entry5|546|Cottonee|yes|no|N/A|Grass|22-24|all=40%|type1=grass}}
{{catch/entry5|548|Petilil|no|yes|N/A|Grass|22-25|all=40%|type1=grass}}
{{Catch/footer|forest}}

==Trainers==
===Generation V===
====Pokémon Black and White====
=====Outer area=====
{{trainerheader|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Nurse.png|Nurse|Shery|600|1|517|Munna|♀|15|None|025|36=マサミ|37=Masami}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Preschooler F.png|Preschooler|Juliet|52|2|546|Cottonee|♀|13|None|548|Petilil|♀|13|None|36=コトノ|37=Kotono}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Preschooler M.png|Preschooler|Homer|56|1|524|Roggenrola|♂|14|None|36=オウチ|37=Ōchi}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Youngster.png|Youngster|Keita|208|3|535|Tympole|♂|13|None|535|Tympole|♂|13|None|535|Tympole|♂|13|None|36=ケイタ|37=Keita}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Youngster.png|Youngster|Zachary|224|2|543|Venipede|♂|14|None|506|Lillipup|♂|14|None|36=レツジ|37=Retsuji}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Black Belt.png|Black Belt|Kentaro|512|1|532|Timburr|♂|16|None|36=ケンタロウ|37=Kentarō}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Battle Girl.png|Battle Girl|Lee|512|1|532|Timburr|♂|16|None|36=リ|37=Li}}
{{trainerfooter|forest|5}}

=====Inner area=====
{{trainerheader|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Twins.png|Twins|Mayo & May|256|2|540|Sewaddle|♀|16|None|540|Sewaddle|♀|16|None|36=マヨとマヤ|37=Mayo and Maya}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW School Kid M.png|School Kid|Sammy|340|1|517|Munna|♂|17|None|36=オサム|37=Osamu}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Lass.png|Lass|Eva|240|3|527|Woobat|♀|15|None|527|Woobat|♀|15|None|527|Woobat|♀|15|None|36=カナ|37=Kana}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW School Kid F.png|School Kid|Millie|320|2|519|Pidove|♀|16|None|509|Purrloin|♀|16|None|36=ミリー|37=Milly}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Plasma Grunt M.png|Team Plasma Grunt||640|1|551|Sandile|♂|16|None}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Plasma Grunt F.png|Team Plasma Grunt||640|1|509|Purrloin|♀|16|None}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
{{trainerentry|Spr BW Pokémon Ranger M.png|Pokémon Ranger|Forrest|1080|1|507|Herdier|♂|18|None|36=モリト|37=Morito}}
{{trainerdiv|forest}}
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==In the anime==
[[File:Pinwheel Forest anime inside.png|250px|right|thumb|Pinwheel Forest in the anime]]
[[File:Pinwheel Forest anime.png|250px|right|thumb|The outskirts]]
Pinwheel Forest is shown to be a huge forest in the anime. With mountains and fields on the outskirts, and a variety of foliage and moss. Inside the forest, there are mossy trees, one where a bunch of {{p|Galvantula}} live. In the middle of the forest is a giant tree where the whole forest can be seen from. It is also shown to have a waterfall and caves where {{p|Patrat}} live. A [[Pokémon Center]] is shown inside the forest.

The outskirts appeared in [[BW017]] where {{Ash}}'s {{pkmn|egg}} hatched into a {{AP|Scraggy}}. It became a bully and picked on Ash's Pokémon. Later it was badly hurt by a Galvantula, but recovered after taking some medicine {{an|Iris}} had made. The next day it challenged the Galvantula again but needed saving from Ash and {{Ashfr|his friends}} after the entire colony of Galvantula joined in the fight. Then Scraggy had a battle with {{TP|Iris|Axew}} which ended in a draw.

Ash and his friends reach Pinwheel Forest in [[BW018]] where they met the [[Castelia City|Castelia]] [[Gym Leader]], [[Burgh]]. Ash encounters a {{AP|Sewaddle}} which battles {{AP|Pikachu}} before disappearing. It appears later where it stays with the group. It then helps to defeat two {{p|Woobat}} with {{AP|Pikachu}}. The next day, Sewaddle gets stuck to a {{p|Deerling}} and falls into a river but is saved by Burgh's {{p|Leavanny}}. Later, Ash visits the Pokémon Center where he sends one of his Pokémon to [[Professor Juniper]] to make room for Sewaddle.

Just outside of Pinwheel Forest, a path leads to a huge [[Poké Mart]] where loads of goods are sold such as gems and jewelry. [[Pokémon Connoisseur]]s, including [[Cabernet]], also set up booths in the area where they judge the compatibility that a Pokémon and their Trainer have. Ash, Iris and Cilan visited it in [[BW019]].

Next, a small town is encountered with trees and rocky hills surronding the place and a small stream, there is a small battleground where, in [[BW020]], {{TP|Iris|Axew}} battled Ash's Scraggy. In the town, there is also a Pokémon Center. A bunch of {{p|Ducklett}} live there and steal people's possessions. Pikachu battled [[Sunglasses Krokorok|Sandile]] here and Sandile [[Evolution|evolved]] into a {{p|Krokorok}}.

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NotSteve: /* SoulSilver Team */

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[[File:Spr 5b 533.png]] Please Pardon Our Dust: Currently Renovating

== Current Projects ==

[[File:Spr 5b 571.png]]Working on a more detailed synopsis for [[m13|Master of Illusions]]. Should be done before April (Hopefully).

== SoulSilver Team ==
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== Favorite Pokémon ==
My usertags area is becoming a bit cluttered, so here's a chart!

== User Tags ==
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User talk:MAGNEDETH/new evolutions

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<BIG><BIG>'''I AM NOT DOING EEVEE EVOLUTIONS.'''</BIG></BIG>
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|im not going to archive a user subpage talk, so, heres the things covered in the previous installment
* Ninjech't gets a sword
* some stuff about babies that i dont care about
* something about names that dont need to rhyme
* Eeveelution - Dragon
* more stuff about babies
* Drillix is not Dark/Steel
* evolve the Kucheat
* Breloom does not get an evo
* Kecleon should get an evo
* Eeveelution - Poison
* Skarmory
* Dunsparce
* Luvdisc
* Arbok and Weezing
* Eeveelution - Steel
* i dont update much
* Skarmory evo is broken
* Unown evo
* Magcargo
* Eeveelution - Ghost
* Eeveelution - Dragon (again)

and a ton of other ideas that range form ambitions to useless.
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== Name for baby kangis ==

A baby Kangaroo is a Joey. What about Joeyghan.--[[User:LucarioWolf|The Aura Wolf !!!!]] 21:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
:while "Joeyghan" is a bit blatent, i think youre on to something. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 05:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
::Better name for the Kangaskhan prevo: Kublaikhan. Because Kangaskhan is obviously based on Ghengis Khan and Kublai Khan is the son of Ghengis Khan. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 10:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Kublai Khan was Ghengis's grandson, not his son. Incidentally, Ghengis Khan had a son named Jochi. And, as Aura Wolf said, a baby kangaroo is a joey. Maybe Jochey or something like that? [[User:Umber|Umber]] 00:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:::maybe Jokaīo or Jokāskan. and it evolves with the tan pouch at some lab. [[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan]][[User talk:Ethan brendan lucas
|brendan]][[Special:Contributions/Ethan brendan lucas|lucas]] 10:00:30 November 4, 2010.

== Names ==

Eh, a few ideas

Meowth→Persian→SCRATCHEW (One of my better ones...)

Slugma→Magcargo→LAVIPER (A couple minutes after I made this I thought of Seviper... :P)

Shuppet→Bannette→GHILOQUIST (It is a puppet that takes over an abusers, like a ventriloquist)

Hope I helped! ----'''[[User:Missingyes| |\/| | Z]] [[User talk:Missingyes|Z | |\| G]] [[User:Missingyes/Sprites|Y E Z]]''' 21:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:not bad
:meh, not relevant
:not bad
:-- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

For a Kangaskhan prevo, I came up with Kangajoe.--[[User:Totodilesentret|Totodilesentret!]][[User Talk:Totodilesentret|Talk to me.]] 21:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:getting closer.. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Just for reference, Euler is pronounced "oiler", so there might be some confusion over the name. [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 00:33, 26 April 2009
:very good point, but i dont think pronunciations really come into play here. hell, if it was pronounced the same, thered probably be a lawsuit.. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::Lol, which is probably how they got away with Lapras. [[User:King Neoterikos|King Neoterikos]] 02:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Why not name it "Oiler" and make it a Water/Poison type? --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 05:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
::::its a pre-evo. it wouldnt make sense to give it a type its just going to lose. yea, i know its been {{p|Nincada|done}} {{p|Skorupi|before}}, but, those were dumb decisions by Game Freak. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, 'Oiler' seems like an idiot with no life at Zippy Mart oiling cars, but MAGNEDETH, if you choose 'PERFECT' things for your page instead of not bad, why do you still have 'Crumpette' and 'Rookhan' on there?----'''[[User:Missingyes| |\/| | Z]] [[User talk:Missingyes|Z | |\| G]] [[User:Missingyes/Sprites|Y E Z]]''' 18:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Heres some names I thought up for Persians Evolution--
Bengalash, a mix of Bengal and lash and --
Calicrip, or something with Calico + something that's a synonym for cut/rip
Sorry i dont have a signature! But Heres a made up one {{unsigned|Pandagasms}}

==NEW==
Oh, don't worry guys, i heard new Pokemon are coming out soon. [[User:Sporeo45]]

==Lucario Bibarel?==

Lucario to make it a Pharaoh Pokémon

Bibarel into somthing that can fly

Dumb I know but I like them [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] 01:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
:the Lucario one isnt bad, but its hard to evolve him when hes already pretty good. the Bibarel one i dont understand... -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't make a Lucario Evolution! Never ever ever! If Nintendo do it then... They've lost a custormer. (Enough said I Think...) [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 12:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

== Hay umm Flying Donphan ==

I just thought a Donphan evo that flys like Dumbo would be cool. [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 23:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:heh, interesting idea, but i dont think Disney would like that. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

::: Well it's not like you can really make it happen. You Can still use it if you want. [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 12:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

So can you help me set up my 2nd sandbox like you're evolution page? [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 15:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

== MM ideas ==

OK, I gots an idea for a Luvdisc evolution based on the arrows Cupid shoots to make people fall in love. A Water/Flying type. Ability: Filter. Name: Cupidisc (I'm also toying with the name Arrodisc/Arrowdisc). Slightly better Speed. MUCH better Attack. It'll look like a Luvdisc, but with more of a point to its mouth so it can use stuff like Fury Attack, Drill Peck, and Aerial Ace. It'll also have a tail-think Hitmontop's tail, but slightly longer. And, at the end, a slightly smaller heart, like a miniature Luvdisc.

Also, an Eevee PRE-EVOLUTION. I'm thinking for the name "Peearee" (pronounced pee-are-eee; as in P-R-E; as in PRE-evolution). To evolve into Eevee, level it up with, ironically, the Everstone.

Also, I give you: Enemite. Derived from enemy and mite, referring to its small size. It would be Poison/Normal, and evolve when its happiness is at its minimum. Its only moves would be Frustration, Spite, and Scary Face. It would evolve into Seviper if its ability were Shed Skin, and into Zangoose if its ability were Immunity. So, what you think? [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 01:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:the Luvdisc one is pretty thought out. an Eevee prevo is pretty unnecessary. and Enemite is an ambitious idea, but it would break the laws of physics evolving into either a mammal or a snake. granted, Pokemon doesnt really follow these laws. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Corsola Evo ==

I've always had an idea for a Corsola evolution. It's called Corseptic, and it's a rock/poison type. Yeah, screwed against ground types, right? Wrong! Its ability is Levitate, so that makes up for this grave weakness. It learns generally water, rock, poison, and psychic type moves. Its leg is basically a spike that generates the psychic energy needed to float. It has glowing, red eyes and a gaping mouth, rivalling that of Swalot. I imagine it would evolve through leveling up knowing "Poison Blast" (Super-Powerful Poison move). What do you think? --[[User:Parrot Hype|Parrot Hype]] 18:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:i like the idea of a Corsola evo, and i like the idea of a Rock/Poison-type, but can you really justify removing Corsola's Water-type? its coral! from the water! sounds more like itd make sense as a Swalot evo. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::That sounds great! Swalot could use one of those! But, I made a picture of what it would look like (along with a few other ideas), so [http://cradman.deviantart.com/art/Fake-Pokemon-Evolutions-132472919 check it out!] --[[User:Parrot Hype|Parrot Hype]] 16:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== Hello New Babys ==

I think we should have babys for [[Absol]], [[Croagunk]], [[Buizel]], and one for both [[Miltank]] and [[Tauros]] [[User:Random Chaos|Random]] [[User talk:Random Chaos|Chaos]] [[User:Random Chaos/Sandbox|Was here]][http://chaos-shepherd.deviantart.com/ ☃] 17:47, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Like the ideas. i've got names.

ABSUN (Psycic) - absol (Dark) (OK,Ok it's rubbish, but i think we need a new non-legendary psycic)

POISNUNK (Poisen) - croagunk (Poisen/fighting) - Toxicroak (Poisen/Fighting)

(I disagree with the buizel idea!)

CREAMOS (Normal) - Miltank (Normal)

::::::OR

:::::Tauros (Normal)

Whadda ya'll think? [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK]] 13:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

== Minduck? Seriously? ==
585 Base stat total. Really? Topping Arcanine, the Pokémon with the second highest base stat total besides pseudo legendaries and legendaries by 30 points?! Seems to me it'd be better to give Psyduck an alternate evolution that's Water/Psychic and rearranging Golducks base stats (after all Golducks stats are already good) HP 80, Attack 60, Defense 70, Special Attack 105, Special Defense 100, Speed 85 or something? Not sure about a name though, maybe something to do with Psyduck harnessing it's psychic powers? Beats me. Just a thought, anyway. [[User:Derian|[[Derian]]]] 13:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== hahaha ==

Klanger?
sorry dude, but some of these names are just SO un-original. but, hey! you did an a lot better job than the people who made diamond and pearl did! (:

oh and im liking the idea of ninjetch'd. thats cool - ''unsigned comment from {{u|TheLastCharmander}} ([[User talk:TheLastCharmander|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheLastCharmander|contribs]]) ''
:most of the names are just placeholders of sorts with little or no thought put into them (barring a select few like Lapras prevo and Dunsparce evo). the general idea im trying to convey is that some Pokemon are hopelessly useless and need to be fixed. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:42, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Well ALL the evolutions you just created have become some of the strongest Pokémon in the games. I mean, not EVERY Pokémon can be amazing dude. Except Ninjetch'd. THAT'S a good idea--[[User:TheLastCharmander|TheLastCharmander]] 18:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I like Klanger... [[User:Sporeo45]]

==Unown Evo's name==
Personally, I don't like it ''King Unown''!? Talk about being uncreative. Why not Enygma? :v [[User:Tyro|User:Tyro]] 08:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
:no, i agree, "King Unown" is a stupid name, but while "Enygma" is a good name, i dont think it really fits for the king here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Neuinpine ==

How about a different Sudowoodo evolution called Ninepine or Neunpine? Neun is "nine" in German, and Nein is "no" in German. I think you know where the "pine" comes from. It will have nine branches on it (four on each side, one on the top), and be Rock/Dark. Sudowoodo will evolve into it when holding False Branch at Lv. 40 at night. [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 20:39, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== New Evolution Stats ==

I love your pages, however with many of your new evolutions their base stats are over 540 (which is often considered the absolute max for normal Pokemon) those higher have reasons or hindering abilities, neat idea with new type combination but not every Pokemon needs a unique or duel type

[[User:Bioness|Bioness]] 08:37, 3 December 2010 (UTC)Bioness

==Jynx & Parasect==
First of all, Parasect looks cool, but is pretty useless. Even though it has X-Scissor and Cross Poison, it's not like Mamoswine. I think it should evolve into a Bug-Fighting type, where in the Parasect trying to take off it's mushroom, the mushroom becomes extremely hostile and gives the evo an extremely high Attack, Defense, and Speed stat. It evolves by level up while holding the Black Belt, and it's BST is around 540. Before you dismiss it as a copy of Heracross and Guilloreap, the Parasect evo is also equipped with status moves like Stun Spore for easier kills.

Also, Jynx was downright ditched in Gen. IV. Her "brothers" went on to get an evo, while Jynx got stuck with... Jynx. While Game Freak definitely doesn't want a copy of what happened before, Jynx should also have a better movepool, as it learns stuff like Wake-Up Slap and Body Slam with it's dismal attack Stat. While the evo would have a significantly increased Attack stat, Jynx should not only raise her Sp. Attack, but be able to learn moves like Psychic BY LEVEL UP. You can only get so many Psychic and Energy ball TMs. [[User:TFSpock|TFSpock]] 16:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)TFSpock
:i see where youre going, but those simply wont work.
:the Parasect evo would not only deviate from what it is (Bug/Grass), but completely change its purpose and disposition. it would also be way too powerful. thanks to Spore, Parasect isnt really allowed to be too fast. its status/kill combo would decimate teams. an evo for 'sect isnt that bad of an idea, but your suggestions simply wouldnt work. also, it cant evolve via Black Belt because then in theory it would be possible to acquire in past games, which we know it cant.
:Jynx getting an evo isnt too bad of an idea but again, youre changing it too much. Jynx isnt supposed to have a high attack stat, it just isnt made for that. not saying it couldnt, but if it were to evolve it would simply gain a traditional boost in all stats to help it reach regular levels with the rest of the series. the updated movepool is something it could probably use though. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:54, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Baby Pinsir and more ==

I think a preevolution for Pinsir with one horn on its head would be kind of cute. I also think an evolution of Sharpedo with a dorsal fin like a meat cleaver and an Octillery evo that's Water and Fighting and looks like the Kraken would be cool. By the way, if Pineco evolved into a grenade-like form, would they approv of that in America?--[[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 18:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

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'''|''' [[User_talk:MAGNEDETH/Archive1|Archive 1]]: Dec 14, 2007 to Feb 07, 2008 '''|''' [[User_talk:MAGNEDETH/Archive2|Archive 2]]: Feb 09, 2008 to Feb 22, 2008 '''|''' [[User_talk:MAGNEDETH/Archive3|Archive 3]]: Mar 02, 2008 to Apr 29, 2008 '''| |''' [[User_talk:MAGNEDETH/Archive4|Archive 4]]: May 22, 2008 to Nov 05, 2008 '''|'''
[[User_talk:MAGNEDETH/Archive5|Archive 5]]: Nov 02, 2008 to Jan 28, 2009 '''|'''
[[User_talk:MAGNEDETH/Archive6|Archive 6]]: Jan 31, 2009 to Jun 08, 2009 '''| |'''
[[User_talk:MAGNEDETH/Archive7|Archive 7]]: Jun 15, 2009 to Nov 01, 2009 '''|'''
[[User_talk:MAGNEDETH/Archive8|Archive 8]]: Nov 02, 2009 to May 06, 2010 '''|'''

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<big><big>'''BEFORE YOU COMMENT!!'''</big></big> 
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== Sockpuppet? ==

{{u|Iceman34}} and {{u|Iceman3}}...created within 4 minutes of each other...any relationship? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 21:00, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

==ROM Hack Tools==
I saw that there's a page on ROM hacks and some of the more notable ones, but nothing about tools used. Would I be able to create some pages on ROM hack tools, or is that not allowed? [[User:Genericuser62637|Genericuser62637]] 23:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:i would say no. ROM hacks are illegal, so we technically dont want to encourage it. also, the hacks themselves are notable because theyre fanon, but the tools dont fall in that category. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

==Pokemon Saturday==

Ok. I'm tired of USA not getting a Pokemon Sunday so I'm making a Pokemon Saturaday on Youtube. I was wondering if I could use information (pokemon stats, news, etc...) from the site? [[User:Totojo158|''toto'']][[User talk:Totojo158|Rulz]]''' 20:10, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:uh, i guess so. not sure how you plan to compete with Psun, but just give us proper credit. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Anatomy Vs. Physiology ==

I've been reading the Pokemon's physiology but I found it somewhat odd, I'm a medical student and I suggest that the Physiology term should be change in Anatomy because of the fact that when we define physiology, it means more on the function of the body while in anatomy, more on defining or explaining each part of the body...well try to define those.. just a suggestion but more on facts..thanks..--[[User:Gaspershut|''GASPER'']][[User talk:Gaspershut|''shut...'']] 03:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:sounds like a prime subject for a discussion. ill get back to you. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:20, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:thanks, ahmm another if we will use physiology it should be partnered with anatomy, meaning... we should put Anatomy and Physiology but if we will put that we need to add more data for all Pokemon, --[[User:Gaspershut|''GASPER'']][[User talk:Gaspershut|''shut...'']] 07:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Banned ==

I don't mean to wine, and hope this won't effect by time of user space recovery, but I have been banned for over two months now, have contributed to the mainspace, and belief i have learned by lesson. Can i get my editing privileges back? '''[[User:DoTheWave|Do]][[User:DoTheWave#Pokemon|The]][[User talk:DoTheWave|Wave]]''' 01:40, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
:Asking won't help. Just keep making good edits to the mainspace and you'll get them back before you know it!--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
:you have been doing a good job, but with the excessive server stress, we want to reduce userspace edits to as low as possible. so keep making mainspace edits and perhaps ill give them back to you fairly shortly, but you cant go edit crazy. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Anatomy Vs. Physiology ==

still not going to change about physiology?? quite disturbing, sorry, because as time pass by, the physiology is just becoming a mix type with anatomy, should we change all with Anatomy and Physiology in each pokemon??--[[User:Gaspershut|''GASPER'']][[User talk:Gaspershut|''shut...'']] 12:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
:weve had more important issues to handle as of late. have to get back to you. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 15:33, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Need help shrinking picture ==

I am making a page on my userpage on the similiarities of Pokemon and {{wp|Ben 10}} but when I am making my chart I don't know how to shrink the pictures from the other website. can you show me how to? this is what I have so far:

'''*stuff removed*'''

'''[[User:DoTheWave|Do]][[User:DoTheWave#Pokemon|The]][[User talk:DoTheWave|Wave]]''' 04:55, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:As far as I'm aware, you can't. The only way to do it would be to resize the image using GIMP or Photoshop, uploading to photobucket or imageshack, and then hotlinking that way. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:42, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::blegh. go away large crap. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:49, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Regardng Routes ==
[[File:Temp image.png|thumb|right|See Route 3 and Route 4.]]
Shouldn't we use the {{!}} pipe to keep consistency? Unless the moves are permanent... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:33, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:the moves are permanent with the inclusion of the forthcoming Isshu Route #. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:35, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
::I know that, but I'm guessing we're fixing up the template, right? The bolded says Route X, whereas the sides say Kanto/Johto/Hoenn/Sinnoh Route X... so it's inconsistent... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:41, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:::youre losing me. are you referring to [[Kanto Route 1]] vs {{rt|1|Kanto}}? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:43, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
::::Ne'er mind, seems fine now... psych... if you want, I could do a print screen... because if you look at Route 3, that's what's going on. Bolded says Route 3. The right side says Kanto Route 4. Inconsistency... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 02:48, 7 August 2010
:::::ive been having some weird issues occasionally. id like to see the screen if you can. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Done. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::::ah, yea, i gotta fix that. btw, get Firefox. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
: :b I heard of viruses on it, but I use it occasionally on the Apple that we also have. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:06, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
::i think you mean the opposite. FF is one of the safest browsers to use. its IE that has security holes out the wazoo and is highly UN-recommended. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:08, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

== Fair enough, but... ==

...they're all on Natu's page as well as the rest of the Pokémon who had different sprites (Meowth, Oddish, Hitmonlee, Ninetales, Primeape, Krabby, and Registeel, but oddly not on Muk's page), so I just thought it would be appropriate to fill that in on those 4 pages as well. But meh, I'm psychotic anyway. XD —[[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:34, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait, nevermind - they're only listed on Registeel. Also, only Muk's and Oddish's pages include Krabby in the other list. Strange. —[[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:35, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:i understand where your coming from, but i was just discussing this with {{u|evkl}} yesterday about this, and being that both of us like trivia, but not excessive bits of it, we figured it would be easier to set a cap of 5 Pokemon. if 5 Pokemon have some commonalities, then its not super notable. some trivia may be 'grandfathered' in, but that may also be removed at some point. we gotta crack down on a lot of trivia, some sections are pretty out of hand, this is just one step. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
::Good point...so would it be worth it to eliminate the entire list from everyone's pages? —[[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:38, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:::yea, id say so. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:39, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
You can do that then, I'd rather stay out of the whole thing now. XD

Although is there a single "master" place we could put it, just to keep it, but in one spot? —[[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:42, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
:well, if you want me to handle it, then ill just think about it and do it later. also, yea, preview button. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:43, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
::Meh, it was your idea and I only messed it up. And don't worry, I'm definitely more careful most of the time. I just tend to get lazy on talk pages XP —[[User:Beta Zero|'''β'''''etA'']] [[User talk:Beta Zero|''Zer'''''Ø''']] 22:48, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

== Sockpuppet? ==

{{u|Michealdsuarez}} seems like a sockpuppet for {{u|Michaeldsuarez}}. ~~ '''[[User:Scyther Be Awesome|Scyther Be Awesome!]] [[User talk:Scyther Be Awesome|Need something?]]''' 00:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
:Gone! -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:43, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Name Table ==

Hey DETH, sorry to bother you{{tt|*|I was going to bother TTE first, but his talkpage is locked.}}, but I'll just ask a minor question. Which is more preferable for the name table for places? "{{tt|マサラタウン|Masara Town}}" or "マサラタウン ''Masara Town''"? [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 07:03, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:"マサラタウン ''Masara Town''" would be preferred, since that's how most other pages have it. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 07:34, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
::K, Thank you{{tt|*|Sorry about the duplicate comments (Internet problem).}}.[[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 08:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== Generation IV Mystery Gifts ==

How come on the Generation IV mystery gift items it doesn't have event dates and for the azure flute it says they haven't even had that event. {{Unsigned|Tinytim415}}
:not sure. ive never dealt with the Mystery Gift stuff. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:36, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
::I'm am 99% positive they have not given out the azure flute in any events so far. Though they have given out a Lv. 100 Arceus before.--[[User:Dbeckelheimer6|Dbeckelheimer6]] 10:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

== Swampert ==

Why'd you get rid of the disambig? Is it because it's Zuzu, not "Ruby's Swampert"? [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 17:59, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:yes. you want Ruby's Swap, you search that. its named Ruru, not Swampert. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
::Got it. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:01, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:::well, not so much if ''you'' wanted to find it, but, the general populous. you know what i mean. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah, though, for some, they may not know the nickname off the top of the head and recall it only as Swampert. Still, I get the point: go to the {{p|Swampert}} page and look at the "See also" section or something of that sort. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::one of the largest complaints, as you may know, is redirects, so for a case like this, i think its better to play it very literally. unless it is named the page name, no redirect. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:07, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::Alright then; just clarifying. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 18:22, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== New Project ==

I think we should add another project. It should be called project translations. It will focus on translating all of the bulbapedia pages into different languages using a online translator, starting with japanese. One problem might be of server stress. Just asking you for admission before starting it.--[[User:Dbeckelheimer6|Dbeckelheimer6]] 00:03, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:[[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis]]--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
::Also, using a machine translation would be really crappy because it comes out pretty garbled. :P We want speakers of the other languages to actually understand it comprehensively XD (such as with Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis, where the articles are written by people who speak those languages) --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:::I didn't notice that they already had thranslationson another website.--[[User:Dbeckelheimer6|Dbeckelheimer6]] 10:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

== Lampfizz ==

You remember that user with the Covy crap, right? The user's back as Lampfizzrocket. Please block him. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind, Nate got it. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:55, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

== Help Closing Box ==

I mad this box for my subpage but I'm having trouble closing it so after it I can write more under it without it being in the box. CAN YOU HELP ME? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 22:02, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
:You opened three tables and only closed two of them. It also works better if you align it to the right rather than center aligning and setting the margin on the right. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
::people always forget to close the tables... -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
=== Edit Help ===

Alright I guess your right I have been lazy towards the manispace, I'll start editing again. But before I do I was wondering when I use the TrainerPoké Template vs. InactivePoké/ActivePoké Template when I'm editing the Pokémon section of the character of the days? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 21:54, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:i dont know. i dont usually deal with the CotDs. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:19, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::@DoTheWave, generally, you should use the ActivePoké template so long as you have information on it. InactivePoké shows that the article itself is incomplete unless the said Pokémon is actually important enough to have an article of its own. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:48, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== V Generation Pokemon Explosion ==

Due to me not being able to edit my userspace I am not able to make pre-articles on new Pokemon. what should I due? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 21:26, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:you should 'do' nothing. we will handle it. no offense, but this is a pretty hairy time and its best left to some veteran users for the time being. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:42, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Upload Pictures ==

I'm trying to upload pictures form the recent episodes but for some reason i'm not able too and all the explanation says is your username. Can you help me? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 00:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:my username? huh. well i know the Archives are locked to non-admins, so, thats the reason. why its just my name im sure is a glitch. i can fix it. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Well what i wanted to add were pictures of [[Professor Araragi]]'s starter Pokémon because the ones under her Pokemon section in the mainspace are pictures of the Isshu Starters in the anime, and i wanted the files to be more specific. like i did with [[Shooti's Tsutarja]] ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 00:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::i would just hold off on them for now. im sure Nate will unlock the Archives tomorrow now that BP is unlocked. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:54, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::If you had to guess when would the archives come back open for non-admin editing? ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 23:31, 1 October 2010
:::::idk, a day or two. its up to Nate. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:57, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey you! Unlock the picture archive upload or at least upload some new picteres of Mijumaru and Meguroko. The episode arrived a long time ago for you to upload some [[User:Salazar12]]
#dont yell at me to do something.
#it is not my decision to unlock the Archives. you would know this if you read anything in the above section.
#i dont do pretty much anything associated with anime screenshots.
#sign your comments with '''four''' tildes.
:-- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks to you and the other admins! ==

For adding the apparently 155 new species of pokemon for generation 5! --[[User talk:Venomoth|☯ ]][[User:Venomoth|*Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ*]][[User talk:Venomoth| ☯]] 19:12, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:well, WE didnt add them, Game Freak did. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== Just to get this straight ==

what site did you copy from when posting the dream world abilities? The names sure don't match those that Umeko posted in the drop box. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:14, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:i didnt copy them from a site. ill explain more offline. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:48, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Apologies ==
Sorry about the speculation on Kyurem's page. I must have missed your appeal to avoid that, and I thought that since it was being tossed around as a possibility it could be relevant, at least in regards to the fandom. I'll try to avoid any more speculation from now on. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:im not really mad, it was just annoying. but i probably should have put a hidden warning the first time anyway. in the end though, its always a good idea to avoid speculation. it is included on some pages here and there, but its best not to add it. talk page it first. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:25, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::There was already something there when I edited it. I just rephrased to remove baseless speculation (for instance, that said third version would be titled "Pokémon Grey") and tried to cite the justifications for why Kyurem seems similar to Reshi & Zekki. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:37, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::yea, i didnt think you added it. just watch out for that stuff. if youre unsure, just ask. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:40, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Userspace ==

Just wanted to say sorry about the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:HoennMaster#Userspace userspace] issue last week. I didn't know that Bulbapedia re-instated the three edits per day rule. I thought the site was still following the "don't edit it often" rule. I thought it would be fine since if you look at the history of anypage (well maybe minus the sandbox) I really don't edit it often. Anyway, sorry about that. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 16:37, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:well, either way, you should avoid blanket edits to the userspace at one time, especially now with BW out. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:33, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

== Move protections ==

Is one set of moves really "counter-productive edit warring"?[[User:Ryulong|Ryulong]] 01:20, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:you moved it '''without permission''' and thusly created an argument. you tell me. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

==User with multiple accounts==
I know this is a bit late, but I noticed [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Tcompton this user has two accounts], and the second account made [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meguroco_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&diff=1227878&oldid=1227586 a questionable edit]. Can you take care of this? Thanks! --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 00:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:good eye, good eye... -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Think I should add the dwart template to every Pokémon's sprites section?--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 15:09, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:im thinking no. it would look silly just floating out there. we are still considering options on what to do with DW art. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:41, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:: BTW, pass this message to TTE, too. HAHA:

===Userspace limits===
Hi. I noticed you have been editing the <code>User:</code> namespace a lot recently. Please don't do it any more, though. Bulbapedia's {{bp|Userspace policy}} restricts the amount you can edit your userpage: no more than three edits per day. This policy was instated to prevent strain on our server, and also to promote people helping out in the {{bp|mainspace}}. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, after all, so help us out by contributing to some articles before coming back to your personal userpage. The more often you edit in the mainspace, the more you will be allowed to edit your userpage. Thanks! <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>

([[Special:RecentChanges]])

([[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 09:53, 31 October 2010 (UTC))

==Game Staff Pages==
Among the wanted pages list, there are multiple missing pages on game staff, such as [[Staff of Pokémon Battle Revolution]]. I'm planning on working on a few of those, and I'm just wondering what sort of format is expected for such a page.
[[User:Genericuser62637|Genericuser62637]] 21:59, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
:it would be best emulate the style of other staff pages, like [[Staff of Pokémon Gold and Silver]]. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:02, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

== Possible new site feature ==

As Archaic doesn't check his talk page, TTE isn't here at the moment, and I cannot edit the latter's talk page, I'm telling you this idea I had, as second referral.

As you know, the release of Gen V is causing all these changes to Bulbapedia. We (the users and editors) have been adding the Gen V information, putting the Gen IV info with the Gen I-III info. However, if the MediaWiki software allows it, it might be possible to give logged-in users the ability to show some generation's data by default through prefs. For example, I don't have BW, only P and SS, so I would usually want to see Gen IV information for Pokémon and such. However, one of my friends from school, who may or may not have an account here (I am not entirely sure), has many Gen III games and HG, so he might want to normally see Gen III data. As always, however, not-logged-in users will see Gen V data by default.

Do you think it would be at all possible for this to be implimented? As required, you can propongate this idea up the heirarchy of power. Just tell me where so I can monitor the discussion and add input as necessary. [[User:TruePikachu|--TruePikachu]] 06:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure this is possible. We don't even have interchangeable skins, let alone a customized user interface. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 06:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

:Perhaps if we were able to implement skins without too many errors, it could be possible to sneak some user preferences in through that. Otherwise, MediaWiki doesn't have much support for allowing users to set specific preferences like that, so it's pretty much a no-go. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï]] [[user talk:Jioruji Derako|'''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']] 01:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Nidoran? ==

How are we going to move the Nidoran pages? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:I think we should just leave it. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 18:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I've got to go, so if anyone can, please continue moving the pages starting at {{p|Golbat}}. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 18:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:STOP. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:21, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== Oops ==

I only started moving them seeing it's been going on for a while and no one said anything. Sorry. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 18:26, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:heres the thing, its prob gonna happen, not gonna lie, but we didnt finalize it yet. why did everyone just start doing it? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::Apparently because of this.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 18:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::And this --> [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_pages_lacking_disambiguation_notices]

--[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

== Missingno. Master and TTE ==

Missingno. Master said it was ok, I'm REALLY sorry. I just assumed he/she knew what he/she was talking about. Again, I'm really sorry. Besides TTE stated here-->[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_pages_lacking_disambiguation_notices] ,that it was the new policy. So what's what? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:MM is not an admin and does not dictate when we do things. TTE o the other had is, however, it was stated in the site header we were only doing those others as examples, and to ignore TTE as he was wrong. and btw, use the preview button my boy, i dont like being edit conflicted! just stop and wait for a genuine announcement. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:22, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::Even if TTE was wrong, he "will be again/is/was" the Editor-in-Chief, so I assumed that he knew what he was talking about. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:26, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::you may be surprised to find out that in that case, he wasnt. trust me, he really wasnt. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Just wanted to say how sorry I am for my part in all this. Between the site header being changed, the poll being closed, and a couple of edits in the recent changes showing Squirtle getting disambig'd, I truly thought it was OK. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 20:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::well, i think this would have gone a lot smoother had we had a lot more organization, due in part to TTE's premature editing (which confused a lot of people). i dont blame you guys, per-se, but just relax until you see an actual announcement somewhere. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Well now we have more than 41 Pokémon pages that don't go to the disambig page nor do they link to it. Should we move everything back to normal? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:37, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:at this point theres not much reason to go moving them back. just leave them be for now. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 20:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
::Then when it's time we can link back to the disambiguation? That is if the editorial board approves. Really, for me it won't take too long to enter "Head" "Foot" and "species=nameofpokémon" back into the pages and then continue on starting with Golbat. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Hey, look. I can edit.
:::Why not just get it over with already, and not have a half-assed wiki? Someone's gonna search Crobat and whine that Brock's not an important character anymore. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:47, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Keep your stupid comments in your pocket!
::::With that opportunity to use a quote from The Room taken care of, seriously. Keep the negativity to a minimum. That bridge will get crossed when we all get to it. Impatience never got anybody anywhere. --'''[[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]]''' ''[[User talk:Darkeiya|talk to me!]]'' 22:26, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

== Userpage ==

I've been better, and some things on my page are bothering me. I won't edit as much and will be better focused on editing the mainspace. Can I have my userspace privileges back. ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 02:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC) 
Also after you told me riddles weren't allowed I knew, but before I didn't I won't ake them again. Sorry for asking. ''[[User:DoTheWave|<big>D</big>o]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:11, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:fair enough. just remember to watch those edits. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

== Hey ==
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/d/de/Magnedeth.png

I have been playing trough leafgreen for a few days, and I caught something, you might like it. [[User:DeadUniverse|DeadUniverse]] [[User talk:DeadUniverse|Hello!]] 20:50, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:pretty nifty. just watch out, it may kill your entire team without warning. however, i hate to be a Buzzkillington, but we gotta keep these talk pages for site related discussions, so next time just send me a Visitor Message on the forums. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

== Photos ==

Where did you get the photos you used in your Titanium Gym? I kn ow photobucket but where? ''[[User:DoTheWave|Do]][[User talk:DoTheWave|The]][[Wigglytuff (Jungle 16)|Wave]]'' 03:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:theyre just TCG images i cropped. also, *points to comment above this one* so just do that next time. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ehm, not sure but whatever. ==

I am starting a wiki called 'Pokémon Fan Figures'.

I would like to use that <nowiki>{{bp|xxxx}}</nowiki> template to allow people to see canonical information about Pokémon, since my wiki is based on fanon.

May I have the permission to do that please?

[[User:Donnaclus|Donn]]'''.::.'''''([[User talk:Donnaclus|Usertalk]])'' 13:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:im gonna need to get back to you on that. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

BTW I read one of your comments on top of the page. Just to tell you ROM Hacks are themselves perfectly legal. ROMs are the ones that are illegal.----[[User:Donnaclus|Donn]]'''.::.'''''([[User talk:Donnaclus|Usertalk]])'' 07:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:it doesnt matter, we dont promote the use or ROMs at all so theres no reason to talk about how to hack something that is illegal. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

== Disamib Notices. ==

Has the change been confirmed yet because [[User:ArcToraphim|certain users]] are jumping the gun again. Yeah, I know I jumped too but still, if it hasn't been confirmed yet I just wanted to warn you that people are changing the pages. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 16:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:yea, in fact most of them are already done. they were done on Tuesday/Wednesday. Luna was just getting the little stuff we didnt (thanks Luna). -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

== please ==

Could you please un-protect [[Generation]] page? There is some info that needs to be added. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|Cool469}} ([[User talk:Cool469|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cool469|contribs]]) ''
:i do hope you edit it with more care than....everything else you've edited. you asked for a page unprotection and didnt even sign your comment? better check your edits before you hit that save button. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:26, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok. I've edited what I need to on the [[Generation]] page. You can now protect it again. —♫ [[User:Cool469|Cool469]][[User Talk:Cool469|talk]] 02:35, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:well, theres no point in re-protecting it. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== sprites ==

should we put in animated sprites from black and white instead of still ones? not that id do it. im horrible with pictures.--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan brendan lucas]] 01:18, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:its being discussed among staff. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::I thought some of them are already animated? Ethan do you use Firefox? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 21:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
:::no.y?--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan brendan lucas]] 23:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Because most images aren't animated on browsers like Internet Explorer. I suggest using Firefox because that's what Bulbapedia is meant to be viewed on and looks very different on there. Also, animated images are always animated on Firefox but not always on Internet Explorer. Catch my drift? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 23:55, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
::i use safari and don't know how to get firefox. >(--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan brendan lucas]] 00:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Username ==

Would you be able to change my Username? If you can that would be good. Could I have my Username changed to {{tt|Crash469 | please a lot?}} —♫ [[User:Cool469|Cool469]][[User Talk:Cool469|talk]] 02:51, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:the server really really doesnt like name changes. we try to do them as little as possible (we used to never do them). -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok. It doesn't matter if you do them little as possible. —♫ [[User:Cool469|Cool469]][[User Talk:Cool469|talk]] 05:14, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

== Template Edit Request ==

The [[Template:Numpkmn]] has the number of Pokemon at 650 rather than 649 (the template is protected so I need an Admin like yourself edit it, thanks)[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 02:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
:It says 649 for me... [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:26, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
There are currently 649 Pokémon species identified, as of November 22, 2010.
::thats what i see. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 05:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
::yeah.u must've red it wrong.--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan brendan lucas]] 23:14, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
:::When I looked at the page it clearly said "There are currently 650 Pokémon species identified, as of November 21, 2010.", I am not blind, I think Werdnae fixed it however.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 05:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I did. It was fixed before you commented here. Note that it is automatically calculated by adding the members of each generation category. In other words a page was using the PokémonInfobox which should have been using PokémonInfoboxNoncat. I didn't actually edit the template in order to fix it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Can you please show me how to make a nice signature? I really want one and I think i've made alot of edits to the mainspace lately. [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 22:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
:looks like you already have a signature. i dont see what the problem is. btw, dont put a space before your comments, it breaks things. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:48, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
:he means a colorful one.like yours,tte's,jell's,etc.can i have 1 2?--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan brendan lucas]] 02:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
::You don't need permission for a custom signature. You can change it at [[Special:Preferences]]. Just make sure it follows the rules in the {{bp|Signature policy}}. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
no permision.just askin 4 hlp.--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan brendan lucas]] 02:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== before i get blocked again... ==

can i make a new user?i need permission.or else,Ph43r.--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan brendan lucas]] 02:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:You're not allowed to create a new account. However, you can request to change your username for your existing account. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
::http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:MAGNEDETH#Username. didn't he say?--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|Ethan brendan lucas]] 02:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:::i said we dont do it often, i didnt way we dont do it. its generally reserved for users who have been around a while, and/or contributed a lot. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
::::yeah,so u sed u do them A.L.A.P. so when would u change a username?check out my new signature:--[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|EBL]] ''([[User talk:Ethan brendan lucas|talk to me!]])'' 13:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

== [[Special:Contributions/Terryisntbald|Vandal?]] ==

This user, Terryisntbald keeps changing info on pages and I'm not sure if they're accurate or not. Can you look at that? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 18:34, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

== [[Special:Contributions/Blueumbreonwolf|False?]] ==

I know most origin detail is accepted since it's all normally speculation but can you check the info this guy is adding? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

== PokémonEpisode.org ==

Why doesn't Bulbapedia have a page about it ?
P.S. Here is [http://pokemonepisode.org link].
--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 18:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:What's so notable about them aside from the fact they let you watch Pokémon episodes illegally? We don't link to Youtube videos of the episodes for the same reason. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 19:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::What? Illegally? I can't believe it? Thanks for saying.--'''[[User:Branfili|Branfili]] [[User talk:Branfili|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Branfili|My edits]]''' 19:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Jello is correct. it is very illegal, and we dont endorse that sort of thing. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:23, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
oh. i used watchpokemonepisodes.com. i always wondered y it made inappropriate pop-ups.101001110000001111111111111.----[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|EBL]] ''([[User talk:Ethan brendan lucas|talk to me!]])'' 00:44, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Hi ==

Enjoy it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:lets not spam my talk page. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:23, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Many congratulations editor in chief! we all look forward to bowing to you. :D —[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] ([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])— 23:34, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

== Starting the community ==
How do I link a pokemon with the new disambiguation template, like {{P|Gliscor}} has, but {{P|Diglett}} doesn't? [[User:Gliscorguy54|Gliscorguy54]] 01:17, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
:i want to make it clear this is '''NOT''' a community talk page. thats what the talk page for the [[Talk:Main Page|main page]] is for, as well as the forums.
:in regards to the disambigs, your best bet is to see how the others are arranged, and go from there, but as of right now, Diglett doesnt get a disambig because it never had one to begin with. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:23, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Did you come to a decision yet? ==

Donnaclus, at 13:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC) said:
"I am starting a wiki called 'Pokémon Fan Figures'.

I would like to use that <nowiki>{{bp|xxxx}}</nowiki> template to allow people to see canonical information about Pokémon, since my wiki is based on fanon.

May I have the permission to do that please?"

You replied:
"im gonna need to get back to you on that. -- MAGNEDETH 18:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)"

Came to a decision yet? :\ {{unsigned|Donnaclus}}
:ive been busy (as seen on BN) yes, you can link to us. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 06:11, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

== Active admins ==

The active admins template still lists TTEchidna as EiC. I'd change it but I don't know exactly how the positions are shifting, and I'm afraid if I screw up then one of you high-ups will smite me. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee § Bwakka♂]] ''([[User talk:BeeBwakka|meh talk]])'' 03:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
:We generally try and avoid smiting users these days, but it does happen on occasion... erm, fixed. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:52, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== User Group ==

What is the User group Abuse? —♫ [[User:Cool469|Cool469]][[User Talk:Cool469|talk]] 22:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
:if you had read the warnings, not only would you not be in abuse, but you would know that it is a usergroup that doesnt allow you to edit the user namespace. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

==Project Battrio==
So, I've been working on the [[Pokémon Battrio]] page a while, and I noticed that the project's leader is no longer actively on Bulbapedia. So...who do I go to for questions? [[User:Genericuser62637|Genericuser62637]] 22:37, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
:Umeko is still active, she is just not around right now. your best bet is to ask other participants. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:58, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

== Mew ==

The reason it was protected was because [[User:Cool469|this user]] kept attempting to get his website (that wasn't even completed yet) advertised on the site and one of his edits was about it [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:52, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:well then, next time, we should block the user, not the page. or at the least, not block the page for over a week. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:53, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== Expanded the Featured Stub ==

I expanded the featured stub [[Diana]] about as long as it'll go. Every minor detail is there. Can I remove the stub tag? On WikiP, they don't let us proles do it :p. Editors and Admins get pissed off, so I'm just making sure. [[User:Chum|Chum]] 03:14, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:looks like Jello already passed judgment on that. looks good. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

==Template Change Proposal==

Hey,
I'm kinda new at this still so bear with me lol 
I am trying to update the [[List of Pokémon by in-game availability|List by Availability]] page for my entry in the Xmas Improvement Drive, and I want to include the generation V column for the first four generations of pokemon. In order to do this, four protected templates must be changed [[Template:Avail-1|Avail-1]], [[Template:Avail-2|Avail-2]], [[Template:Avail-3|Avail-3]], and [[Template:Avail-4|Avail-4]]. I was wondering if either you could make the changes or if you could somehow allow me to make the changes myself. See my [[User:Absol21990|Userspace]] for an example of Avail-1 changed. Thanks.
--[[User:Absol21990|Absol21990]] 1:44 11, December 2010
:i believe {{u|Jello}} was the person who made a comment about that, so she is the one you should be talking to. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:10, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== Disambiguation notices? ==

What exactly are the disambiguation notices we need to be applying to the Pokémon species, as [[:Category:Pokémon pages lacking disambiguation notices|the respective category]] dictates? Thanks. '''chief[[User:Chiefboz|boz]]''' ''(my [[User talk:Chiefboz|talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/Chiefboz|contributions]])'' 16:19, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:well, as i just put on that page, i would ignore it for now. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:21, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon Apokélypse ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Apok%C3%A9lypse should this short film have an article or something about it? [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 03:58, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
:this is a rather hot topic among a lot of people, both for and against. i will have to get back to you on that. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::k I wasn't sure, because as we know, it is a fan-made video. Yet it sparked huge reactions from many [[Serebii.net|Poké-based]] [[PokéBeach|fan sites]]. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:38, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::yea, and sorry for the late response, its been difficult getting a solid answer, and i didnt even get one. if you are feeling up to it, i wouldnt mind seeing a mock-up though. if you want to make one in your userspace (ill give you some userspace editing leeway, but dont go ''too'' crazy). -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::: I'll see what i can do. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:56, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

:It did make quite a splash in the fandom. I'm in favor of an article about it. We have ones on far less notable things, so why not? --[[User:Politoed666|''P'' ''o'']] [[User talk:Politoed666|''L'' ''i'']] 19:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

::[[User:ShinyPikachu/Pokémon Apokélypse|How does it look so far MAGNEDETH]]? [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 19:14, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:::looks...pretty empty. more content! also, you dont have to tell me to check it, ill check later and let you know. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:33, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== Random ==

Are you the leader of Bulbapedia? I am a newcomer. [[User:Jack88881111|Jack88881111]] 09:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:as of December 1st, yes. you can find a more detailed breakdown of the staff in the welcome template on your talk page. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== Image Question ==

I notice that we do not have any pictures of Dr. Yung's labratory, and it would be quite helpfull if we could get some images of it along with one depicting the missile-like hologram projectors that Dr'young had used. Unfortunatly I am unable to find or upload any of these images, how would I go about getting them into the archives?--'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 18:37, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
:well, if you yourself want to acquire these images, you will have to to find a way to screen cap movie clips (as we only allow high quality images). alternatively, if you can find someone who does a lot of anime uploading, you could see if they can help out. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:23, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Do you think we should change all the templates and pages that list Arceus's type as arceustype and not Normal? I know his type is Normal when he's not holding any plates, but I was just wondering if we should. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee]] [[Special:Random|§]] [[User talk:BeeBwakka|Bwakka]] 00:04, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
:where ISNT it listed as Arceus-type? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
::Oh I've been meaning to talk to you about a reworking of Arceustype. Specifically subst-ing it in all its Gen IV instances then changing the templates to remove the ??? type.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:24, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
:::i would hold off on that right now, ive got an idea about that template, but im going to wait until the rather busy Christmas season is over (and that goes with a lot of other plans). -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, Mr. Deth, Arceus's mainly listed as Normal on pages like these: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_National_Pok%C3%A9dex_number and http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/No_eggs_%28egg_group%29 or basically all lists in general. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee]] [[Special:Random|§]] [[User talk:BeeBwakka|Bwakka]] 00:54, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
:fair enough. leave them be for now. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
::Sure thing boss we'll talk about my thing after Christmas.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:04, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
:::right. its just way too busy for myself, and many others, to really do any serious stuff right now. we'll all just do our usual thing until after the new year. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I can't guarantee when exactly I'll be able to get to it but I'll probably be able to get on this soon. Is that OK?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::i still want you to hold off on this for right now. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:16, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
the lists that contain arceus still list him as normal type. if you'd rather not do it, i could try but i might mess up and i don't know all of the lists that contain arceus. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee]] [[Special:Random|§]] [[User talk:BeeBwakka|Bwakka]] 00:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:im not worried about the work getting done. Arceus is a Normal-type anyway, so theyre not wrong. just relax and do other things. ill make note of it when the time comes. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:26, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::i don't mean to say your wrong or be disrespectful, but wasn't the arceustype template made ''because'' he can be other types? but if its not neccessary right now then i'll leave it alone. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee]] [[Special:Random|§]] [[User talk:BeeBwakka|Bwakka]] 00:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::no, youre right. thats why it was made, but it isnt necessary right now. hold off on it. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:39, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Please! ==

Please make me a junior administrator. I've done really well and I think I deserve it. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 18:54, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:You know, I'm not sure thats how it works, if it did there'd be '''loads''' of Junior Adminastrators, cough cough 'me', but your brave asking the chief, good luck to ya [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokemon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 19:03, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::Asking to become one considerably lowers your chances of becoming one. Keep that in mind. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 20:04, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:Personalley I don't see any perks in being an Admin, mabye progect leader, but being an Admin is not worth turning a fun hobbie into work, no thank you, besides there are user's with goldern awards who have been here for years and even they are not Admins, I wouldn't even considser being an admin [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokemon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 20:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::being an admin has its fair share of responsibility, but it doesnt really become "work" until you get to SA or higher. but yea, asking is going to make you far less likely to be chosen than simply earning it. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
: Please don't take it that I'm showing disrespect, I have respect for all who have earned adminship but I don't need to be able to block users or protect pages to have fun editing [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokemon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 22:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Wondercard formatting ==

What's the <nowiki><sc></nowiki> tag doing there in the Wondercard template, when the text is not supposed to be in always-all-caps? I would like to suggest that it be changed. You know, in the games, the only thing capitalised are the Pokémon species names. --[[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 08:24, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
:i meant the template's talk page, not mine... -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 08:26, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
::Not when nobody's responding there. Apparently, SnorlaxMonster changed it, but then Tc changed it back again. --[[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 10:37, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

== Username change request ==

I wish my Bulbawiki accounts be renamed to Soulweaver, since I'm moving away from this old nickname. Thank you. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 12:23, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*poke*</nowiki> '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:59, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
::as noted on the forums, it was understood. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:47, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Grunts.. psh ==

Can you help us out a bit here--> Talk:Aqua Grunt (Trainer class)#To Move or Not to Move? Thank you! --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 15:40, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== Username change request ==

Is it possible to have my Bulbapedia username changed to Ketsuban? [[User:Missingno000|欠]][[User talk:Missingno000|番]] 22:55, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:sorry, cant do that. {{u|Transfinite}} used to have that name, and so there are number of old links stemming from them. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== Userspace ==

I am finding it impossible to edit my userspace even though I am in the autoconfirmed group. I do not know if I have done anything wrong and I would really like to make a few edits to my space. ([[User:Supersane101|Supersane101]] 21:15, 28 December 2010 (UTC))
:i dont see any reasons why you wouldnt be able to. also, new messages go to the bottom. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:50, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Pretty imppresive ==

I just found out that you were nominated to be an admin, only in Sept 08, now your the Editor in Cheif, I'd just like to say congratulations and I'm immpressed [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokemon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 12:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

== Just asking... ==
Are you supposed to link titles? Or is it just the main text? [[User:Twisted Ivy|Twisted Ivy]] 11:31, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:youre going to have to be more specific. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:35, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon Black/White names ==

Heres a list of the english names of the Unova Pokémon. It is most likely fake. But I thought you might wanted to take a look [http://www.legendarypokemon.net/bw/names]. ♢ [[User:DeadUniverse|DeadUniverse]] [[User talk:DeadUniverse|Hello!]] ♢ 15:38, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
:Legendary Pokemon is not an official source. more to the point, they have removed their own article (or your link is broken) so thats that. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:19, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
:It worked for a few hours, but admins there later removed it because some of the names where actually official, like the one for {{p|Ranculus}}. ♢ [[User:DeadUniverse|DeadUniverse]] [[User talk:DeadUniverse|Hello!]] ♢ 06:54, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:: We are only moving names which have been confirmed by official sources. In this case, neither Legendary Pokémon nor IGN is an official source. The official [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/en-us/ English website], however, is. --'''[[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]]''' ''[[User talk:Darkeiya|talk to me!]]'' 07:01, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== Apologies ==

I apologize for being rude to one your staff members. But I will not tolerate anybody who is a higher position than me, and say "I don't agree, blah blah blah," and say that my opinion is wrong. That's just wrong. However, in the future, I will restrain myself from blowing up and harass another user. Again, I'm sorry for "harassing" Jello.--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 02:27, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:first off, saying "i dont agree" is simply someone inputting their own opinion. so by that degree, you are denying someone else's opinion, which is just a terrible thing to do.
:second, Jello never said you were wrong.
:third, dont patronize me. your attitude will not be tolerated, so i do hope you understand this and change it accordingly. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:02, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
::Okay, sorry if you ever thought I was condescending you. I didn't mean to do that to you. I'm just upset about the whole situation. I mean, when I contribute to the site, sometimes someone comes up to me and changes my work around. It hurts my pride. And that leads to my recklessness and rude behavior. And I'm sorry for that. So, do you accept my apologies?--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:::i do. just be aware that if someone changes your contribution, its ok to ask why. sometimes another user might change it for the wrong reason. if a staff member changes it, they probably know exactly what theyre doing and again, feel free to ask and give feedback, but dont resort to forcing your own opinion. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:55, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

== Gato refernce? ==

I just now noticed your little poem near the top of the page. Is it a reference to Gato the bot from Crono Trigger by any chance? [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:05, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:swing and a miss. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:07, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh well, it just reminded of the character anyways. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 03:10, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

== Mainspace ==
How many edits to I need to make to the mainspace before I can edit my userpage again? [[User:Lazer|Lazer]] 15:13, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:there isnt a set number, but i would aim for at least 50. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== Bots ==
I do not understand the concept of bots. Please explain. [[User:Lazer|Lazer]] 23:09, 17 January 2011 (UTC)Lazer
:They're there so the small edits that need to be made on many pages can be done quickly without mistakes. --[[User:Si6x12|'''Si6''']][[User Talk:Si6x12|'''x12''']] 23:39, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
::Our resident bot is {{u|BulbaBot}}, if you want to take a look at what it does. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:47, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:::He is very cool [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 23:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Code, keep your talk page edits serious please. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Bot's are basically programmed to do repetitive tasks, such as add interwiki links or add or replace words. It needn't be your concern though, so, just go back to editing and stop spamming Deth's talk page with trivial matters. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

== Issues with the term "largest city" ==

Do you think we should just change "largest city" to "most populous"? And we could also have "largest city in terms of land area". This could be calculated by counting the number of spaces vertically and horizontally and then multiply it. Would this work? I'm just tired of going back and forth with the "largest city" debate. I'm only trying to coming up with a solution to prevent further arguments.--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 16:32, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

== TTEchnida ==

What's wrong with him? Everything is blocked and I want to see some of his stuff.--[[User:99pokemon|99pokemon]] 03:54, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

== Leaked English names ==
Even though they are not officiual revelations, the recent names that have been revealed match the ones on that list, suggesting the others are real, since a fake list could not of possibly of known the names of 11 new Pokemon before anyone else did, even though it is not how it was intended, should we consider all of the names confirmed? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 16:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:What part of waiting until an official source confirms it, is hard to understand? It's better to be safe than sorry. If we end up moving all of them and relink thousands among thousands of pages and images and something turns out to be fake, then we'd be in big trouble. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 17:06, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
::Jello hit the nail on the head here. when we know for certain, they move. otherwise, we could put ourselves in a really crappy position. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 05:33, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

== Orre ==
In the box "Regions in the Pokemon World", why is Orre listed under the "Main series"? It should be under "Side games"...--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 17:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:Actually, it's a region with RPGs that can communicate freely with the other games of their Generation, hence Main series{{tt|.|At least I'm pretty sure}}
::I think otherwise. Orre may have connections to Hoenn and Kanto. But that doesn't make it a part of the "Main Series". According to your logic, Fiore should be part of the Main Series region because it can connect with Sinnoh. (The Manaphy egg mission). Also, Orre does not have gym leaders, Elite 4 (I know, Johto doesn't have one, but it shares with Kanto's), etc. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 01:09, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Colosseum and XD are considered main series because they are ths same type of RPGs, and largely use the same mechanics. Same type of battles, same (pretty much) method for capturing Pokémon, etc. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::::why is this on my talk page. this should have been asked on the template page or something. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 05:34, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Because I didn't know who to ask. So I thought of you.--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::when a question is about a game, or template, its better to ask on the talk page of that respective game/template. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

== signature ==

Hey, I've noticed how people have really cute signatures. Can you help me make one? [[User:[[User:Pokabu82|Pokabu82]] 20:59, 22 January 2011 (UTC)]]

== User Namespace ==

I was just wondering how you make one of these User Namespaces. I've made a few contributions, and it still says that I'm not allowed to edit my page. And I apologize if this is the wrong place to ask questions, I'm new at this. --[[User:GrandPeonLv.100|Grand]][[User Talk:GrandPeonLv.100|Peon]]Lv100 23:32, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== New Project ==

There should be a project called Project DungeonDex. It's about Dungeons from all Mystery Dungeon Games.
--[[User:Infernape12345|Infernape12345]] 18:28, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
:There's actually a project called [[Bulbapedia: Project Sidegames|Project Sidegames]], lead by {{u|Werdnae}} that focuses on side games such as Mystery Dungeon and Ranger. Might want to to there if you're looking to help. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 19:31, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

== Need your opinion ==

Hi MAGNEDETH,

Just wondering, do you think that this wiki needs a template for "Pokémon interaction zones" (e.g. Safari Zones, Pal Park, Amity Square, etc.). I mean, it might sound kind of pointless, but since there are templates for things like "variations of the move Screech", I guess I'll make it (if you think its necessary). Thanks, thought I'd drop by and ask you since I wouldn't like it to be deleted mercilessly. Thanks! [[User:Alebcay|Alebcay]] 22:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)alebcay
:hmmm, maybe. i find the "variations on (move)" templates to be a little dumb myself, but ill discuss that a bit with some staff and see where we stand on it. i can go either way myself. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:41, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! [[User:Alebcay|Alebcay]] 20:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)alebcay
:i think the idea sounds decent. make it in your userspace so we can preview it and make adjustments if necessary (and dont forget the preview button). -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'm on it. :) [[User:Alebcay|Alebcay]] 17:56, 21 February 2011 (UTC)alebcay
:OK, the template is at [[User:Alebcay/Sandbox/Safari Zone Template]]. [[User:Alebcay|Alebcay]] 18:29, 21 February 2011 (UTC)alebcay

== Basculin ==

How is what was done there the wrong way of doing things? Isn't that what's supposed to be done when the English name is revealed? Besides, the page is probably gonna be moved in a matter of minutes, so what's the difference?

On that subject, could you possibly move some of these pages please? Basslao is Basculin, Shikijika is Deerling, Miruhog is Watchog, Gale is Hurricane, Acrobat is Acrobatics, Healing Heart is Healer, and Herbivorous is Sap Sipper. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:27, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:Where are you getting this? Sources please. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 22:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::[http://ds.ign.com/articles/114/1143911p2.html IGN]. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 22:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I've seen the IGN details on Serebii just a minute ago. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 22:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

==Got something==
I just found out the source of where alot of the bogus confirmed English names for Black and White are coming from, the source is Pokémon Wiki at Wikia itself which I thought I should let you know, so if you want you could write something down to discourage people from using the English names from that site since it is not a reliable source. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 06:19, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
:The images came from the cartoon network domain though. I don't think your entirely right. - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 08:01, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

== Is that alright? =/ ==

If I make my userpage a bit like yours, just the background though? [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 19:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:sure, its just a round template that encompasses the entire page, so its nothing fancy. just remember not to abuse the userspace. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 19:47, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
::Will do, thanks. :D [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 19:50, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
::Ayy, just a quick question. Trying to get a couple of babel templates to work but they don't appear to work. I put in ja-1 and es-1 and they show red links. How do I fix it? [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 20:38, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>{{User es|1}} {{User ja|1}}</nowiki> -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:20, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Strategy as a column? ==

I currently planning it but I'm not sure if its ok to post here --[[User:Menametlg|Menametlg]] 04:27, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:no, we dont do that here. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Name Change? ==

Could you change my username to PurpleAxew? I asked an admin and they told me to go to you --[[User:Chiramii|Chiramii]] *** [[User talk:Chiramii|Talk]] 23:29, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:the method by which we change names is currently broken, so we are currently unable to change any names. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Items Descriptions ==

Hi, I'm TheFaither and I'm from Pokémon Central Wiki, the italian Pokémon wiki. I have a question for you: 
Why Bulbapedia has got all the items descriptions and Pokémon Central Wiki can't even find the italian translations for their own underwear? We've got a serious problem there, actually we have no italian descriptions at all. Thanks for your time--[[User:TheFaither|TheFaither]] 19:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:People here go through the games and copy the descriptions down. Simple as that. You could try asking some of your contributors that have the games to do that, it wouldn't be hard for them to do it. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== sorry... ==

I am SO sorry about the Team Budew thing. I didn't know that it is really for the forums. If I caused any trouble, I give you my sincerest apologies. [[User:Pokabu82|Pokabu]][[user talk:Pokabu82|82]] 22:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:im not mad, just letting you guys know. i like the idea of various users getting together and learning from each other, but misc discussion cant happen here. on the forums, you can discuss pretty much anything in a properly organized group. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:48, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
::So, if we don't have misc. discussion, we're following rules?!? [[User:Pokabu82|Pokabu]][[user talk:Pokabu82|82]] 00:10, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:::no, you see, as a group, its technically a social group, which the forums handle. itll be easier for you to do discussions over there anyway. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::::oh... Well, thanks for replying! [[User:Pokabu82|Pokabu]][[user talk:Pokabu82|82]] 02:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

== Why no gif, eh?! ==

Congrats on becoming Editor-In-Chief, by the way! I'm sure you'll do great. :)

Anyway, I don't mean to be too much of a bother, seeing as your poor talk page looks like forum, but I'm of the opinion that animated sprites should be in the GIF format of images, as the current APNG format is only viewable in Firefox, Safari, and Opera. If Bulbapedia is really all about providing the most information about Pokemon, shouldn't sprites be animated on all browsers? I've brought this up with both other staff members and regular users, all of whom delete my comments on the talk page for a sprite with the reasoning of "PNG images are better quality". While I'm all for that for images with several shades for each color, most sprites only have two to three shades per color, and GIFs are both faster to load and animated on all browsers. I probably don't need to explain that, though. Anyway, I'd really, really like it if you'd hear me out in a bit more detail, but I wouldn't want to type my entire story out if it's just going to be shot down or deleted. I am more then willing to turn this into a Private Message conversation if that's easier for you!

Regards,
[[User:Tailzfoxy96|Tailzfoxy96]] 04:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:there have been a few discussions about this on the forums in the Bulbawiki section. im sure if you go there you will see a topic or two discussing these things. its a pretty big argument that no one has really made a prominent enough push in either direction to decide a change. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:39, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

== Many name updates are all over. ==

Since this is very common on very popular Pokémon websites (including ones like Serebii, that is), I think it should be researched for Bulbapedia. I cannot find an official source myself but most Pokémon Black and White Pokémon names have been leaked somehow. Jalorda is now Serperior, for instance, and Zuruggu is Scraggy. I cannot find the official source, though. ----[[User:Donnaclus|Donn]]'''.::.'''''([[User talk:Donnaclus|Usertalk]])'' 16:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:P.S. About time you archive. This loads longer than the Main Page. XD ----[[User:Donnaclus|Donn]]'''.::.'''''([[User talk:Donnaclus|Usertalk]])'' 16:35, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
::All of the leaked names have been known for weeks, and Bulbapedia will only use each one once it is officially confirmed and/or the games are officially released in English. See the notice at the top of every single page. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 16:40, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Moreover, there is no official source for the leak; that's why it's a ''leak.'' —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 16:42, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I am not sure if it is a leak or not, in fact. I just cannot find a source. That's why I consider it a leak. I have no idea where these came about. ----[[User:Donnaclus|Donn]]'''.::.'''''([[User talk:Donnaclus|Usertalk]])'' 20:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC) 
MAGNEDETH, archive this before I do it myself. (loljk, but seriously Archive.)
:::::Of course there is no source, it is a LEAK. Until Nintendo themselves confirm these names, these are not yet official. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 20:05, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::I know we shouldn't trust fansites, but PokéBeach reported that the "leaked" list was confirmed ([http://pokebeach.com/2011/01/the-rumored-list-confirmed-all-english-black-and-white-pokemon-names here's a link]). The list itself was originally posted [http://pokebeach.com/2011/01/potential-english-black-and-white-pokemon-names here]. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 23:50, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

== Fandom ==

I am new to the wiki and I was wondering if you could tell me what "fandom" is exactly or tell me who would know. Thanks! --[[User:Keitonashita|Keito]] [[User talk:Keitonashita|nashita]] 03:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fandom Wikipedia has that one covered]. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:17, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== BW Countdown Clock ==

There is plenty of room on the main page, so why can't there be a countdown clock to Gen V in both America and Europe? --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 04:05, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:actually, there isnt enough room. you must be using a massive screen size. either way, we have to think about everyone, like folks with small resolutions and even people browsing via phone. also, the countdown already pushes important info like News and such down so another countdown would be a terrible clutter. besides, the difference is only, what, 2 days? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Time template? ==

Given the growing complexity of [[time]] in the games and the coding therefore necessary to display it (as seen in the table at the top of the Time article) would it be advisable to create a template that displays the current time of day and use that for coding in pages that require the time of day?--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 19:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:the UTC clock is at the top of the page all the time. why would we need a second clock? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:09, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear, I meant have a template that displays the correct [[time|time of day]] as described in the most recent games so as to avoid {{tt|the huge wall of coding|<nowiki>{{#switch: {{#time: F}}|February|June|October={{#switch: {{#time: G}}|3|4|5|6|7|8|9=Morning|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20=Day|21|22|23|24|1|2=Night}}|April|August|December={{#switch: {{#time: G}}|5|6|7|8|9=Morning|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18=Day|19|20|21|22|23|24|1|2|3|4=Night}}|{{#switch: {{#time: G}}|4|5|6|7|8|9=Morning|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19=Day|20|21|22|23|24|1|2|3=Night}}}}</nowiki>}} needed to tell us that it is currently "{{#switch: {{#time: F}}|February|June|October={{#switch: {{#time: G}}|3|4|5|6|7|8|9=Morning|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20=Day|21|22|23|24|1|2=Night}}|April|August|December={{#switch: {{#time: G}}|5|6|7|8|9=Morning|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18=Day|19|20|21|22|23|24|1|2|3|4=Night}}|{{#switch: {{#time: G}}|4|5|6|7|8|9=Morning|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19=Day|20|21|22|23|24|1|2|3=Night}}}}", accounting for seasons and all that.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:38, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::seems like there has to be a more efficient way of coding these things. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 03:56, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Would you have any idea what that might be? Other than replacing the month names with numbers that is.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 04:03, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

== Animated PNGs ==

Why does Bulbagarden use Animated PNGs instead of the more widely supported Animated GIFs? --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 23:42, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
:higher quality, lower filesize, among other things. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:40, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Article Deletion ==

A user, Cool Pikachu!, deleted an article that I created. It was called "Largest Cities in the Pokemon World."
It didn't look pretty or official but it did take me 2 hours to organize the populations of each city and then type up the data.
I don't really know how to put in links or maps or make it all in a table but i just wanted the data to be there so somebody could just finish the job.
I asked him why he deleted it and he said it wasn't notable. I then said that it didnt matter if the page was notable as long as it had useful information.
I have no idea how to get the page back and I was hoping that you could put it back up. Then you or somebody else can make it pretty.
Thanks.
--[[User:BlackCharizard|BlackCharizard]] 02:17, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
:well, it isnt notable. so, why would we need it? each city has its demographic listed, and even then, demographics in the Pokemon games arent really 'necessary' so...we dont really need a page for all of them. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:30, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
::whenever u want to make a page, BlackCharizard, u have to first make it under your userspace. rite, Magnedeth? {{unsigned|Ethan brendan lucas}}

== Arti ==

it's 7 days until [[Pokemon Black and White Versions]] come out, and there still is half the [[Generation V]] Pokedex undubbed and half the [[Unova League]] undubbed. Can I use Serebii to complete the Pokedex? And someone else can do the league and the undubbed towns.----[[User:Ethan brendan lucas|EBL]] ''([[User talk:Ethan brendan lucas|talk to me!]])'' 14:58, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:That would be no, please we don't have to rush anything and please read the notice on the top of the site. So, kindly wait for the official sources to reveal further information. Thank you ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 15:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

== Template ==

I'm building a banner to go on my talk page, but I can't figure something out. How do you make a link that doesn't appear to be external to add a new section to a page? --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 22:32, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:i dont understand what you mean. a link that isnt external? [[Kanto Route 1|like this]]? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:46, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, that's an internal link. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 23:21, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I've experimented a bit more and came up with this:
<pre><NOWIKI>{{usermessage|[{{fullurl:{{ns:3}}:{{PAGENAME}}|action=edit&section=new}} Leave new message] - [[User:Nathan2055|Return to Nathan2055's main page]]}}</NOWIKI></pre>
It works, but the link appears external. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 01:20, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
:If you want to make the box & arrow thing disappear, put the link inside <nowiki><plainlinks></nowiki> tags. i.e. <code><nowiki><plainlinks>[url link text here]</plainlinks></nowiki></code> It'll still appear the slightly lighter blue colour, but you can't do anything about that except for manually coding the hex code of the text. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:16, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
::No, it's not recognizing that tag at all. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 19:53, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
:::... Of course it isn't. That was stupid of me. Plainlinks isn't a tag, it's a class. Try <code><nowiki>Link</nowiki></code> [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:10, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Perfect! I just need to make some code to get it to look like the normal blue color. What is the hex value for Bulbapedia's normal links? --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 23:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::No idea. Screenshot a page with a link and use an image editing program to find the colour? It'll probably be 0000XX. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
{{indent}}OK, they hex is #002BB8 but my <nowiki></nowiki> tag isn't working. How do I apply the color? --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 00:27, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:You have to use <code><nowiki> . . .</nowiki></code> Font tags are old, and haven't worked properly for a while. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 09:23, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Lampura? ==

Excuse me, but I guess [[Ranpuraa]] should be '''Lampura'''. Ranpu (ランプ) can also be pronounced as (ランプ Rampu) which is '''Lamp'''. I really have no idea, but there must be a name change. ----[[User:Donnaclus|Donn]]'''.::.'''''([[User talk:Donnaclus|Usertalk]])'' 12:32, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
:Here's the [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Ranpuraa_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Lampura.3F reply] and please do not ask the same question on multiple talk pages otherwise it will be considered as spamming, thank you. Have a nice day ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 12:43, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

== Since you were the first Admin I seen online... ==

If a Pokemon is not in B/W, should we add gen5ex=none |? So it would appear like this (taken Ivysaur's page):
{{Availability|
type=grass |
type2=poison |
gen=5 |
gen5ex=none |
bwarea=[[Poké Transfer]] or [[Dream World]]
}}
(Before)
{{Availability|
type=grass |
type2=poison |
gen=5 |
bwarea=[[Poké Transfer]] or [[Dream World]]
}}

I've only done the Kanto starters up to now, but is it OK to edit more? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 01:09, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:yes, that should be changed accordingly. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:01, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
::If you're doing that, please make sure you link to <nowiki>{{pkmn|Dream World}}</nowiki> rather than simply <nowiki>[[Dream World]]</nowiki>. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:27, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Why should you link like that? --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 21:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Assistance ==

Hello, MAGNEDETH! I've been a user and Bureaucrat on [http://wikia.com Wikia] for over a year now, and thought I might add some of my talent to my favourite Wiki! So, if there is any projects I could jump in on, please contact me when you can!

Sincerely, --- [[User:Illuminated Void|'''Gamemaster''']] [[User talk:Illuminated Void|(Rules)]] 01:38, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Sounds great, but I must warn you, we do things a bit different than Wikia. An example being that all signatures must be worded the same as the user, so your signature is technically against the rules. Other than that, there no major projects going on right now. Until Black and White come out its pretty much business as usual. Just general wiki activity. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Incomplete or Outdated ==

If an article doesn't have Gen. V info, should I mark it with <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{outdated}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 21:47, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Black and White Sprites ==

Terribly sorry if this is already on a discussion page, but if the Crystal and Emerald sprites have their entry animations shown, why don't any of the Generation IV sprites have theirs shown? Or for that matter what about the Generation V sprites that are ''always'' in motion? Are we eventually going to try to find those?--[[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 22:44, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

User talk:NotSteve

2011-02-28T22:30:35Z

NotSteve: /* HeartGold/SoulSilver */ new section

Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions

2011-02-27T22:56:31Z

NotSteve: /* Critical Reception */ new section

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|- align="center"
| <big><big>'''Remember, {{color2|000|Bulbapedia:Talk page|talk pages}} are meant for discussing the article itself, not the subject. To post all your wild theories and random questions about the content of the games, see [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=368 {{color|1b45c1|this forum section}}].'''
</big></big>
|}{{-}}

==Previous discussion==
* [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)
* [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]] (25 June 2009 - 12 September 2009)

==A note to editors==
The page will be staying locked for a little bit longer. There is a lot of information to process, and if everybody tries to edit this page at once, there are going to be lots of edit conflicts. This can result in server stress, and also may prevent genuine information from being added. So just wait for a bit. If you've got something to add, doublecheck that it isn't there already and make a new section on this page. The administrators will add it to the article in time, provided it isn't baseless and has been confirmed either by our own editors playing through the games, or a number of other websites. We will unlock the page once the traffic has slowed a little. Thank you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Less notable/important aesthetic changes? ==

I'm not sure about this or not, but is it worthwhile at all to mention somewhere these two cosmetic changes:

* Water flowing can now be heard when standing near a body of water.
* The Magnet Train's tracks now appear overground (like on Route 32).

'''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

*Just an addition to TheChrisD's posts, the game also has more sound effects in the overworld. Aside from the sound of water flowing, other sounds include the sound of the windmill when standing next to a windmill in New Bark Town and even just the sound of the player's walking on tall and short grass if you listen carefully.
*Also, the Running Shoes can be put on via Touch Screen, allowing the player to run without having to hold the B button.

--[[User:Daninjango|Daninjango]] 05:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

''while the legendary beasts use a remixed version of their battle theme from Pokémon Crystal.'' Might want to note that the remix is slightly different for each <strike>gerbil</strike> beast (eg. Raikou's has faint thunderclap-like noises) [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 09:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

:: Also to make note that Cerulean Cave and Seafoam are still active, Zapdos, Moltres, Articuno and Mewtwo are all capturable. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 08:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::These are done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

There's also the Game Boy Player which will replace all the game's music with the classic Game Boy Color version of the score. [[User:Ggctuk|Ggctuk]] 19:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== PokéGear ==

It is not blue for {{ga|Gold|Hibiki}} and pink for {{ga|Kotone}}. The initial pattern is blue for both, but its skin is changeable to the pink version or other four models. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 03:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

== Changes ==

Add in (Location): The [[Kanto Safari Zone]] was changed to Kanto Pal Park]].

Mt. Silver is bigger in size.

(Gameplay) And finally, the gym has change "puzzle"

Gym Leader's Pokémon has changed. --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 10:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:: I have the jap version and am on Cyndaquil. Cyndaquil now learns Ember at lvl 10 rather than 12. [[User:Jono R|Jono R]] 17:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Moveset changes go on the individual Pokémon's page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:17, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

== Gym Leader Rematch Teams ==

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=960099&topic=51316486 [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:I would think to wait on this until another source could be found for this note. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 01:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Now it looks like Serebii.net is starting to post the details for the Gym Leader rematches but at this moment it remains incomplete, so for now it looks like it is becoming more verified and one day I am sure it would be mentioned on this page when an administrator decides it is ready. My idea is just put it with the details for the Elite Four rematches since it is on the same subject. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 12:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

==Kris==
''Kris, despite being the female counterpart of Crystal's player character Gold, is believed not to be included as the female counterpart, with a new character instead taking her place.'' is this still valid or should this be changed/reworded? Do we completely accept Kotone as a new character now? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:It should be, thanks for pointing that out.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Can anyone put this on Pokemon Heartgold and Soulsilver gallery? ==

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e6/Groundon.jpg
can anyone do it? I can't do it cause is not letting me. The picture i want to be upload is the groundon fight thingy or something. - ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''
:no. for one thing, its horrific quality, and second, its stolen from Serebii. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 07:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It was my first day i did not know what to do :P- ''unsigned comment from {{u|DialgaPrimeX}} ([[User talk:DialgaPrimeX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DialgaPrimeX|contribs]]) ''

== Huh... that pic with Silver ==

Well, he got his sprite changed in the game. It is better to put in a new pic of battle with Silver. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 07:33, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:We shall do so. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Routes ==
Shouldn't we mention somewhere on the page that there are two new routes (47 and 48) were added? --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 15:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think so. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::Got it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mt. Silver ==
A minor update that should be made at some point is that Moltres can be caught in Mt. Silver and possibly put together with the Mt. Silver update with as few words as possible. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Edit Plz ==
Someone needs to put things in present tense on this page. Game's come out... so the page needs to act like it. XD [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 02:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Where exactly are you talking about? Most of the info ''has'' been moved to present tense... except for ''HeartGold and SoulSilver will revisit the story of Johto''. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::P.S. There's a stray apostrophe here: ''While the games' feature several expansions in key areas...'' [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::::"These games will be released in Japan almost exactly..." should be "These games were released in Japan almost exactly ..." [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 00:12, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::Not quite. JpPt was the 13th of September. HGSS was the 12th. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

===One More Edit Request===
If it's worth adding that is... In this game, players can use two items quickly. I don't remember how to say it, but there can be two quick select items (maybe that's the term) instead of one. They're numbered and the first can be activated by pressing (Y) but both are available on the touch screen. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===Poké Gear's Radio Card is Essential===
Does that count as a gameplay change? You need to complete the quiz to make Whitney give up on her attempts and return to the gym. [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 11:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:Done. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

===Gift's from Mom===
When you let your mother buy you presents, she doesn't put them in your PC but you have to go to your "friendlyshop" (Poké Mart) or department store and the delivery man is waiting for you with a gift.

Also people take your picture with all your Pokémon and send it to your PC. (Camera men at various spots around the map. usually touristy)

could you always choose not to answer your phone? [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 12:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

==Missing Pokemon List==
Serebii.net has just created a version exclusive list at [http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/exclusives.shtml] so once somebody is ready then a Missing Pokemon list
for this page. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

== Obtaining Hoenn and Sinnoh pokemon ==

http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/hoennsinnoh.shtml

As you can see here, you can catch pokemon from Sinnoh and Hoenn by using the Pokéegear's radio.

[[User:050294|050294]] 22:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

==Games Leaked==

Can someone remove that? It is not notable. Almost every game in the last two generation has. Serebii has gotten his copies of Emerald, Diamond/Pearl, Platinum, and HeartGold/SoulSilver a few days early. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
:I agree, once the game is properly released it's sort of irrelevant if it was leaked or not. Almost EVERYTHING major gets leaked nowadays anyway. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 18:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

== Trade Me! ==

How come alot of pokemon say on their locations box that they need to be traded in to heartgold and soulsilver, when thay can just be evolved from a pokemon that can be found in the wild. Take Kakuna for instance, you can find it in the national park in gold and silver, so you can probably catch it in the same way as well in HGSS. Or you could just evolve your weedle.--[[User:Minimag|Minimag]] 06:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:"Trade" is the default on the template. If you know where the Pokémon are located, then you can fix it up yourself. Take a look at a page that has the correct information, and work out how to code it :) All help appreciated. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

== Version Exclusives? ==

We get a list of those yet? Serebii has one, but for all I know, they just used the ones from GS. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:From what I have seen, it is largely the same as GS, which is as expected. There are a few Hoenn/Sinnoh Pokémon there and everything I am aware of has been listed [[Version-exclusive Pokémon|here]]. I will export it into this article now; I just didn't have the time when I first made the list. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::Also with this new addition on their site [http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/rocksmash.shtml], Kabuto (HeartGold) and Omanyte (SoulSilver) and their evolutions now make their lists since their fossils can now be found in the game via Rock Smash along with Aerodactyl's fossil and a few other items such as amongst them. So at some point new details about Rock Smash and the Fossils can be put in, though for the fossils it still remains unknown on where to go to revive them. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:51, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::the pewter museum is once again open so the fossils can be revived there [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 16:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:uh....im playing HeartGold and yesterday i found a Helix Fossil....-- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::Oy, need to do some serious talk on this and in case you don't know the dark lord tormbonator also updated the version exclusive pages other than the fact I updated the fossil Pokémon pages but I will revert my edits for the time being on Kabuto and Omanyte's pages. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 18:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

== GAME PLAY Change! ==

I found out that in HG/SS, you can choose one of the three Kanto starters for yourself. It's true, a video with the real game that shows it! Oh, and an item that plays Gen. 2 music is also shown. --[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 20:49 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:What's the criteria for getting the Kanto starter? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
::Beating Red on MT. Silver. [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 21:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but we've know about this since before the games came out. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 12:25, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
== Do we have clear pictures of the second covers? ==

I know there is a second cover to the games. It looks similar to the G/S ones.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

==Pokéball==
Something that was posted on Serebii.net at [http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/items.shtml] on the Pokéball section of that page is that the post-Generation II balls are available in the game. Until more details on this matter are acquired by someone who has a copy of HeartGold or SoulSilver then it should not be posted on this site to avoid misinformation. However though the only noteworthy thing that it has to this page is the addition of more Pokéball than any other Pokémon game. {{unsigned|Tyler53841}}

== The small pond ==

In G/S/C, there was a small, inaccesible pond by the Pokemon Center in Cherrygrove City. This pond served only for city design (because the "border" of the city is "water", and the city finishes behind the PokeCenter, it seemed strange for water to be behind it, so that pond was created to make it look ok. But it is inaccesible). This pond is still in HG/SS, but it is now accesible from Route 30. Small detail I noticed, since that pond always called my attention. I thought it would be gone in these games, but no. I think this and some other details should be noted in the article. --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 03:15, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:Is there anything special about the pond, or is it just there? See if you can find an item somewhere or a rare Pokémon by fishing. As for the other details, what do you think should be added? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:36, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::Hehehe, well I still can't explore the pond; I haven't even still reached Violet City so I don't have Surf or anythimg. As for the other details, it would be great to have a list about differences between these games and G/S/C. Like for example, "In G/S/C, Gold obtains his Pokegear when he exits his room at the beginning of the game. In HG/SS, he obtains it after getting his first Pokemon". --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 16:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Um... there is a section named just that on the page... in fact, it's most of the page. Go look again. I'd like to crop this down in the next few days, and put all unnecessary information onto the related articles. This one is perhaps best suited for the Poké Gear article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:01, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

== Giovanni ==

Should it be mentioned that Giovanni appears through a Celebi event? It's mentioned on Giovanni's page, but it is significant to gameplay because Giovanni never actually appeared in Gen II; he was only mentioned.--[[User:JacobCrystal|JacobCrystal]] 20:28, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah alright then. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:35, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

==Latios and Latias==
In regards to the new update for Latios and Latias being version exclusives respectfully. I would to see if anyone has confirmed it yet. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 00:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
:They are; Latias in HeartGold and Latios in SoulSilver -- [[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 11:38, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

== Shinning Leaf ==

Should the article note that the Shinning Leaf thing replaces the capture the flag mini-game to obtain a star on the TC -- [[User talk:AOS|AOS]] 22:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Radio ==

Why does it say that it is now compulsory for the game to get the radio card, when you needed it to finish the game in the originals. The whole Lake of Rage thing --[[User:Ripp145|Ripp145]] 17:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
:You didn't need to get it for the Lake of Rage if I remember. All you REALLY needed it for was to wake up Snorlax. Now though you have to get it to get past Goldenrod, as Whitney won't appear in her Gym until you get the Radio Card. '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon traded from HGSS to DPPt ==

I don't know if this was known or not, but when Pokémon from Johto get traded to a Sinnoh game, it says that the Pokémon came from "Faraway place". Should that be noted anywhere? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:48, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:That's interesting. Maybe the "arrived from Johto" data is just so the game might not crash or something... or maybe they expected a game from Johto via Generation III, but it was too late when they made the Generation IV games. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::It also seems that Johto doesn't recognize Sinnoh either. They also say "Faraway place". But that could possibly change once the National Dex is obtained. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 02:12, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::That's not true.. I traded over a Slugma that I caught on Plat and it's showing up as "Caught at Hard Mountain". And I only have three badges. Very weird. →''[[User:Tina|'''T'''inā]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 02:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::::some people are speculating that its because trading from Jap to Eng is causing the problem. hasnt been confirmed, but its possible. might have to wait until the English version comes out. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Faraway Place Met Location was programmed to show the text of any other Met Location that exists in the game based off a value normally unviewable to players. The Value is equivalent to the index number of the Met Location that you caught the Pokemon in. When that value does not equal a location in the game, it just shows Faraway Place. This was done for compatibility with previous games, and is the exact reason why various Pokemon from new locations show up as being from Faraway place when traded to previous games. This was introduced in Platinum, for compatibility with D/P. By the way, the Location indexes from Platinum still exist in Heart Gold and Soul Silver, but all of them had their text replaced with "Faraway Place", so that D/P/Pt Pokemon which weren't actually from Faraway Place would still show the text for it.
::::::They also added a Graphic swapping ability for Pokeballs in HG/SS. All Pokemon caught in the Apricorn Balls are actually caught in PokeBalls(Explaining the lack of unique in-battle graphics), with the game changing the Status Screen graphic based on another hidden value. So any Pokemon caught in the Apricorn Balls will be shown in the Pokeball in D/P/Pt. -- [[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 01:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::What if you caught a Pokémon with an Apricorn Ball, traded it to DPPt and then traded back? Would it still say it was caught in a Poké Ball on HGSS?--[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(離す)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 02:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::::The hidden value exists and is kept when traded to previous games. They just didn't program it to do anything until HG/SS. So yes, it'll still show the Apricorn Ball when traded back to HG/SS. -- [[User:JoeTE|Joe T.E.]] 15:08, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

== Spacecraft ==

Spacecraft is plural. Don't be a jerk, they knew what they were doing. Someone, please change it back. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 04:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
: wow - don't change it back. first of all its not a spacecraft: its a rocket. mavericktate just likes undoing my revisions. i wasn't trying to be a jerk.

== What should we do about this? ==

The other box artwork
http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad242/Midnight-Blue93/20090921193116.jpg
What should we do about it? I'm curious.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think it matters in the long run since the cover art will be replaced with the English covers as soon as they are revealed. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
:: Alright, I was also wondering, is this cover on all copies or only on certain ones? Some are saying they did not have that cover.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
:::From what I understood, the cover art used in the article is actually a box, and when you open the box there is the PokéWalker and the game case that you posted above. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
::::When the English versions come out, should we scan the covers or not? If not, I say we should mention it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:52, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Mine is just like it only in English. [[User:Crazylegs24]]

== The whole Lati@s version-exclusive thing ==

In {{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}} they aren't listed as version-exclusive, even though its the same thing as here. Personally I think they should be listed with an asterisk. '''[[User:Myles|Myles]]''' ([[User talk:Myles|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Myles|contrib]]) 03:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Agreed. There should at least be something talking about that. They don't list the Weedle line as a version exclusive - b/c it can be obtained by other means - Bug catch Contest. [[User:LugiaRocks|LugiaPwns]] 03:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I pretty much think that that Latios and Latias should still be listed as version exclusives but this new piece should be listed as trivia should the other means can from a Nintendo exclusive event which is something that can only happen once and therefore is outside the normal means. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

:They're not technically version exclusives in R/S, because of the [[Eon Ticket]] and [[Southern Island]]. They're still in the actual game coding as an in-world sprite that's interactable, and you can battle and catch them. Exclusives is like Groudon and Kyogre, or Palkia and Dialga, because you can only catch them in their respective versions. You have to trade to get them in the same version. And the exclusives also have a direct part in the storyline, such as Ruby having extreme sun with Groudon on the loose, and Sapphire having extreme thunderstorms with Kyogre on the loose, not to mention Team Magma and Aqua and in-game text spoken by NPCs. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:24, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::Good, Trom changed it. We should somehow mention that without the event they are v-exclusives though. It would be less confusing. '''''-'''''[[User:LugiaRocks|'''LugiaRocks''']] ([[User talk:LugiaRocks|''Talk'']] ★ [[Special:Contributions/LugiaRocks|''Edits'']]) 04:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Can we say that Heartgold is like Sapphire and Soulsilver is like Ruby in obviously a proper way? the fact that im mentioning is that Kyogre and Latias comes in Heartgold while their counterparts appear in Soulsilver while the Lati@s not obtained can be obtained from an event.[[User:Laxafett|Laxafett]] 21:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

== Date Specifics ==

One of the guys who works at GameStop in my town said the date was in March, as close as he knew. I respect this guy ALOT and see how he would know this, seeing as though he asked if I wanted to pre-order. Can anyone verify March, and maybe see if they can pre-order too? '''The''' ''[[User:GuyNamedSean|GuyNamedSean]], [[User Talk:GuyNamedSean|yep, that's '''me'''!]]'' 04:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
:A few places have allowed pre-orders for at least a month now, with no release date know. Not trying to be mean, but your trust in a guy at a store doesn't really matter when it comes to verifying info. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::Amazon said my game would ship April 1st, but that might just be an estimate. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 03:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:::That'll just be an estimate. They have to get them from other stores, since they're only a website, they don't buy and store things themselves. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::I reserved a Copy at GameStop, they said it was April 1st. Also: [http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75770|link] --[[User:Domigan|Domigan]]
:::in order to generate pre-orders, they need to set a date. they cant accept a pre-order unless they have a date, so they put a generic release date. Nintendo announced "Spring 2010" and April 1st is right in the middle of spring. the game is not comming April 1st. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 17:26, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Yes, I highly doubt the game would come out on April Fools Day. xP '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 13:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just because it is April Fools Day doesn't mean new products can't be released. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 18:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::Amazon just told me my game is arriving March 16th. Keep an eye out for an official announcement!! [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 04:09, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

== From a so-so reliable source, I hear HGSS should be coming out in ==

March 2, 2010. I'm not so sure. Cuz then he said May 2, 2010. And that just crushed me...make of this info what you will--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 03:14, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:A so-so source is not good enough. What is the source?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::My friend's internet. But I will check the Gamestop 3-ring binder. Then I'll tell you what it says--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 03:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Haha internet. Regardless, I highly doubt that it's May 2, as that is a Sunday. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 03:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:::/me points up. It's just one section away... ._. It's just a placeholder date. There hasn't been anything official released yet. D: ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 03:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::Um wasn't Platinum released on a Sunday?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 04:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Nope, it was a Saturday. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 04:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::::No it was Sunday. Diamond and Pearl were released on Sunday too. So what day of the week doesn't mean anything. Anyway, May is too late. HeartGold/SoulSilver were released the same week that Platinum was the year before, so late March early April is most likely. Also your friend's internet is not any different from the rest of ours. The Gamestop books will say April 1st, and that is just a placeholder date. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 06:09, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::Umeko made a {{tt|mistake|hey, we all make mistakes}}. it seems Nintendo has been releasing a lot of games on Sundays in the past few years. but there no guarantee itll be May 2nd for the reason i stated in the section above. meanwhile, lets keep release date rumors to a minimum. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 06:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::Alright, I still am gonna try to find out the real release date. I wanna be the first one to put it up here, since I never get to put anything {{tt|good|except for sprites but those don't count}} on this wiki T-T--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 00:36, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Your not going to find the official date until Nintendo announces it. If that was possible it would be up already. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 07:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I just have to hear it b4 u lot then ^^--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 02:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Most of the recent major games have been released Thursday here. ([[User:GT4GTR|GT4GTR]] 03:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC))

Today the official site's news at (http://www.pokemon.com/#news) has confirmed that Amazon's release date is true so there is no longer any doubt that March 14th is the release date. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 06:05, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

== We need to change something. ==

As it is locked for me, any admins agreeing with me, check here and you will see that HGSS are to be announced. So instead of putting N/A, you should be putting TBA. [[User:Will k|Will k]] 20:17, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

== Add to the article: How is [[Ash]]'s house different? ==

When the player visits [[Pallet Town]], are there any differences to Ash's house in these new versions?

Moreover, does Ash appear in this game?

These are great to add to the article once somebody finds out. Thanks a lot! --[[User:Tanaka Shimoya|Tanaka Shimoya]] 01:11, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
:[[Ash Ketchum]]? No, the anime character doesn't appear in the game. What you mean is {{ga|Red}}, Ash's counterpart. He appears as normal, located in [[Mt. Silver]]. As for his house, I don't think it has changed.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 01:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
:(got conflicted) Assuming you're talking about {{ga|Red}}, he does appear in the game, you battle him at Mt. Silver just like in GSC. I don't know if his house is any different though, I haven't played the game yet (waiting for English version) [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:17, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
::Well, since I can read Japanese, I'll hopefully find these game ROMs on BitComet without needing to wait for the US release date! :) Then I'll get to find out for myself! :-D --[[User:Tanaka Shimoya|Tanaka Shimoya]] 01:21, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

== Animation Changes ==

I noticed that for some of the moves (e.g. DynamicPunch, Aura Sphere), the backgrounds were different. Does anyone have a list or more information? [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 20:04, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:Different from Platinum, or DP? Because they were different in Platinum from what they were in DP. They probably did update a lot of animations for moves, just like from DP to Platinum. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 20:53, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
::Late reply is late, but I'm talking about the differences from Platinum. For instance, DynamicPunch has a dark orange background in Platinum, but it's just black in HG/SS. I haven't noticed any differences in the actual moves yet, just the backgrounds. I really should try to compile a list. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 02:54, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes quite a few moves have different animations now. [[User:.insomniac.|inso]]m[[User_talk:.insomniac.|niac]] 03:10, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== What the? ==

''"There's a minor quirk involving the Poké Mart signs, in which they are sometimes shown to be placed on the edges of trees, making it appear as if it was built there."''

What? '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|f80|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|f80|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|fb0|gami}} [http://myfreegadget.blogspot.com/ :)]''' 10:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:What fail trivia :/ ... My vote is for getting rid of it... ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 10:16, 15 December 2009 (UTC))

::Actually, the reason it's there is because the signs themselves are fail. I'm pretty sure the signs don't do that in any other games, and this is freaking HGSS that it's happening in. It's supposed to be the best, in a graphical sense, and they already messed something up. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:40, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe it needs a bit of re-wording...--[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(離す)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 13:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::::It's fine. Unless it get's re-worded as "There's a minor glitch involving the Poké Mart signs. They are sometimes overlapping the edges of trees, making it appear as if they were built there." Basically the same thing. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:31, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::This wouldn't be Pokémon from Game Freak without some mistakes and glitches. And it isn't something that major anyway. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 21:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::How do you know it was a mistake? Just because you think it looks like crap doesn't mean that it's a glitch or a mistake... If you want to change the trivia to something like "the Poke Mart signs look like shit" then I understand you more, but there isn't anything suggesting it is a glitch :/ It's just personal opinion that they look like crap where they are placed... ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 21:34, 15 December 2009 (UTC))
:::::::I'm not fully affirming that it is an error, even though it seems to be. And what I meant is that every Pokémon game has had this sort of situations so their occurrence isn't exactly new. ;-) [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 21:49, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::::It's probably a minor thing with the 3D graphic generator. And I never said it had to stay. I just told you why it was there. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 01:46, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

While the word "fail" isn't actually an adjective, I agree that it doesn't read too well. I'm not sure what would be a better replacement, or if it should be removed altogether... [[User:Soul of Dawn|Soul of Dawn]] 14:51, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== May I ask ==

Why is HGSS being released in Korea '''before''' it's released in America? [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 22:28, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:your guess is as good as any. its never happened before. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:29, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks '''MAG'''. Talk about odd. Sould this be added to the trivia section? [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 22:35, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:::already there. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

== Platinum engine? ==

This article says that this game appears to use the Platinum engine, but the last line in [[Tweaking#Exploitation]] seems to suggest that it might be a modified Diamond/Pearl engine. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 02:11, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:Late reply, but it's possible to tweak in Platinum. Due to Gen III/IV Pokemon retaining their Platinum sprites, Platinum's alternate formes, and the acid rain glitch, it's definitely built from Platinum's engine. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 22:07, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

==Image Gallery==
I've been thinking now that English boxart had been revealed then perhaps the picture with the English logos could be replaced with a different noteworthy picture since it is not really needed anymore? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 17:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea. I'll see if I can find something interesting. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

== FireRed and LeafGreen mention ==

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/hgss/story/images/popup_history.jpg

What does this say about FRLG? And what relation does it have with HGSS? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:It says that FRLG took place three years prior to HGSS. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 20:06, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
::It's obvious FRLG are the prequels but at least they made it official now.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 20:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
:::That popup has been on the site for ages. It's ''always'' been official. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 21:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Thanks. ;-) And I know it's been there for ages but when I first saw it months ago and asked on one of the now archived pages, I never got an answer. =S [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 21:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

These are the first games to have 2 different box arts. The box that contains the game and the Pokéwalker. And the art from the game it self?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
:FireRed and LeafGreen had the wireless adapter box art and the ones without the wireless adapter. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 03:28, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
::True, but that was the only thing that was mostly changed, besides the Player's Choice title. But HGSS's boxart for the game itself, has a different background then the "package".--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:04, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
:::MB's right. But the Player's Choice one shouldn't count since it's not exclusive to Pokémon. ;-) [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 12:54, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Thanks Pokemon lover! It would be nice if we could put those box arts on the page, b/c those are the true box arts. But we're not sure if this will be carried over to the U.S., so should we wait till the U.S. is released?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 01:37, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sadly, yes. we have to wait until english boxarts are released!! [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']] 02:14, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::Why do we have to wait until the English boxart's released? It's an English wiki, but there's no crime in putting up pictures with JAPANESE TEXT OMG in the meantime. Maybe not in the infobox, though. Just as a little side thing somewhere in the article. ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 02:17, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

One thing that I came to realize which also may be trivia that I also posted about on the Magnezone page is that there is a chance that like FireRed and LeafGreen that not all evolutionary methods are available in the game, where in this case may have to do with location evolutions and possibly Feebas' evolution yet again. If proper research is done and if confirmed does anyone think that this might make it as trivia. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 03:14, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:I think we are looking into that.
:Anyways about the boxart topic, it seems they did not post the other boxarts on the site or anything. If we can at least get the Japanese ones, will we have to scan them?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

== Australian release Date ==

At the moment it says the date for Australia is N/A.
Well i was hopin that could now be changed.
EB Games are now taking pre-orders for the game and are quoting a March 2010 release date. I was told the 14th when i made mine.
Their website now has data for the game which also states a March 2010 release.
http://www.ebgames.com.au/ds-149036-Pokemon-HeartGold-Version-Nintendo-DS
http://www.ebgames.com.au/ds-149038-Pokemon-SoulSilver-Version-Nintendo-DS {{unsigned|Dragonboy}}
:EB Games is not an official source, so we can't use their date. If Nintendo of Australia confirms the date, then it can be added. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 11:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::And they don't even have the official boxart up yet.--[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(離す)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 22:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:::US retailers were taking pre-orders months before the release date was confirmed, and they had a placeholder date of April, and the games are coming out in mid-March. Them just saying March, and having no box arts is not enough to confirm anything. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:33, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

== Version differences ==

Aside from the version-specific Pokémon, are there any other confirmed version differences between the two games? ⋆[[User:Astrophysics|A'''STROPHYSICS''']] <nowiki>[</nowiki> [[User talk:Astrophysics|talk]] <nowiki>]</nowiki> 22:29, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
:Slight plot change regarding the version mascots, but that's all I've heard of. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
::I supposed I should've expected that, what with R/S and FR/LG being only slightly different as well. Thanks for the answer. ⋆[[User:Astrophysics|A'''STROPHYSICS''']] <nowiki>[</nowiki> [[User talk:Astrophysics|talk]] <nowiki>]</nowiki> 05:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

== Is this normal? ==

I'm wondering if this was purposely done or not. In my copy of SoulSilver, I used a Walk-Through walls cheat with an AR and went to the trees above New Bark Town. And well...
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1600/mysteryzone.png

I'm wondering if this was also in DPPtRSEFRLG. [[User:Ugoz|Ugoz]] 03:50, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:Article's [[Mystery Zone|here]]. However, since the English version isn't out yet for this game, you can't upload that. Only Jap allowed until HGSS' release in America. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. [[User:Ugoz|Ugoz]] 03:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Out of curiosity, could you (or anyone else) take a screenshot of being in the [[Mystery Zone]] in HGSS with the original Japanese game (as in, no English patch)? The page says that it's just a bunch of hyphens, but it'd be interesting to see a screenshot for proof... ▫▪''[[User:Tina|Ťïňắ]]'' [[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♥]] 04:08, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Sadly, I cannot. :( But obviously there are people who don't have English patches. (Even then mine only translates the battle text and Pokecentres. XD) [[User:Ugoz|Ugoz]] 04:14, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

== In other languages?! ==

I don't think that the titles in other languages are correct. Maybe the titles only include the english names because it haven't been released yet. For example, the spanish name is "Pokémon Edición Oro Heart Gold" because the real name it's not officialy revealed.
--[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] 16:25, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:No, Nintendo of Europe has already confirmed them as the titles. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 16:45, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

::Kind of an odd move, since one could look at the move logs on the German, French, and Spanish (but not Portuguese, since that end's focus is Brazilian as opposed to Iberian and probably wouldn't take notice of NoE's announcement of the localized Iberian Portuguese title) ends and find that "HeartGold" and "SoulSilver" were indeed translatable into localized titles...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:::There is no Iberian Portuguese games there is only the anime. But this is something new they are doing adding the English names to its respective titles. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 20:56, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah, us here in Portugal thought that since Nintendo decided to kick {{tt|Concentra|the company's distributor from 1991 to Q4 2008-Q1 2009}}'s ass for poor performance as well as to open their branch here in 2008, with the offices being opened and starting operations in early April 2009, we'd get localized versions but Platinum proved otherwise. HGSS seem to be going the same path, though it's understandable since we got the UK DP long before Nintendo's change of plans. So we might only get PT-PT versions with Gen V. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 17:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

== New Hero names ==

Please do not delte the names of the main character. They are official. --[[User:Vampirebidoof|Vampirebidoof]] 21:38, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:They're as official as Serebii's site. So.... not much. Policy, as discussed on ''so many'' talk pages is to wait. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:41, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

::Agree with his choice especially since they are coming from one source only that is not official, even though I do recall hearing about changing the Slot Machines in the international releases before Serebii posted it, but all that can done now and wait even though Serebii is usually right most of the time. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 23:35, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Key words, ''most of the time''. I don't think he bothers to look at item effects half the time in the English versions (if he even plays them...), because some of the descriptions of effects are from the manga, which is slightly different for some items than in the games. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 00:52, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== Gameplay and Aesthetic Changes ==

Shouldn't the list of "Gameplay changes" come before "Aesthetic changes"? Changed in actual gameplay are more important, it would just make more sense to list them first. [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:It doesn't really matter, but that's how we have it on a few different pages, which is why it's how it is on this one. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== So if this is a FireRed / LeafGreen sequel, did they fix that potential plothole? ==

In the original Generation II, the game began with the discovery of Pokemon eggs. In FireRed and LeafGreen, however, Pokemon eggs have already been discovered. So in this game, was the storyline adjusted, or is this a plothole exclusive to the remakes? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 03:35, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:Elm was just like "I'VE NEVER SEEN A POKEMAN EGG BEFORE" despite being the authority on evolution. He's also pretty nonchalant when Mr. Pokémon sends him the email, as he says, "Oh, it's just another Pokémon Egg." [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 06:42, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== Official English HeartGold and SoulSilver site ==

Would someone please change the official English site from that article to this:

http://www.pokemongoldsilver.com/

Just whenever you have a chance, thanks.–'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 04:07, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:I wouldn't say replace but instead add to the article. All those subsites won't last forever, unless TPCi changed things to be on par with TPC since Platinum. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 16:45, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I didn't see it get replaced yet. I would do it, just, I'm not a mod or admin so I can't change it anymore. Could somebody either get on changing or adding it the page. [[User:6259|日本語
]][[User talk:6259|日本語
]] 22:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Dates out of order ==

The dates are not messed up but it could be written better. It should read " Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver were released in Japan on September 12th, and in Korea on February 4th and are schedlued for release in North America on March 14th, In Australia on March 25 and in Europe on March 26th" instead of "The games were released on September 12, 2009 in Japan, and are scheduled to be released on March 14, 2010 in North America, March 26, 2010 in Europe, March 25, 2010 in Australia, and on February 4, 2010 in Korea." the way I rewrote it sounds better since the games have only been released in Korea and Japan at the moment instaed of the current way which makes it seem as if they have already been released. --[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 22:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:Actually... it used to say something like that... but was changed by an administrator for the reason "this is an English wiki so English version dates go first"... sure, it's strange to look at now, but no sense in arguing :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 20:04, 22 February 2010 (UTC))

Thats ok I just thought it seemed a little weird how it is currently written but when the games come out it will make more sense it just seems strange how it is currently written but I do know only Admins can make the change I just thought I would bring it up that it is a little weird.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 22:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
::It is weird....actually it's wrong. Proper writing would be putting them in order of dates. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 04:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I agree with you guys. I thought of saying something at first, but decided against it. As Marchbaby said, when the games come out in all areas at the very least it won't be as much of an eyesore... it's not too long now anyways :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 05:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

At least I am not the only one who feels it is an eyesore how it is currently written thank you for those who agree with me. Now if only they would make it so I could eidt the page to make it less of an eyesore.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 18:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC))

== Template:Langtable ==

To any admin: can you turn the "In the other languages" section into a subsection of the trivia and replace its entries with this, please:

{{langtable|color={{soulsilver color}}|bordercolor={{heartgold color light}}
|ja=ポケットモンスターハートゴールド・ソウルシルバー
|fr=Pokémon Version Or HeartGold et Version Argent SoulSilver
|de=Pokémon - Goldene Edition HeartGold und Silberne Edition SoulSilver
|it=Pokémon Versione Oro HeartGold e Versione Argento SoulSilver
|ko={{tt|포켓몬스터 하트골드·소울실버|Pocket Monsters HeartGold and SoulSilver}}
|es=Pokémon Edición Oro HeartGold y Edición Plata SoulSilver}}

Thx in advance. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 11:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

== Character Names ==

Serebii has long since released the official English names of many characters, can somebody change them? '''The''' ''[[User:GuyNamedSean|GuyNamedSean]], [[User Talk:GuyNamedSean|yep, that's '''me'''!]]'' 05:46, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:Please read the previous discussions on the matter. All you need to do is scroll up. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:48, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Now the names ARE official. In the demos the name for kotone is Lyra. Can I change it now? {{unsigned|Vampirebidoof}}
:Is it really that hard to wait another 8 days? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:07, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::No, but it's dumb that official game footage has confirmed it ant the mods still refuse to act like it's valid enough proof. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 22:00, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

== Dates ==

The dates need to be changed because in one of the countries (I think Korea) HeartGold and SoulSilver has already came out [[User:CodyDelis|Cody A. Delis]] 00:58, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:Why do they need to be changed? I think the sentence should be reworded to note that the Korean HGSS is already out. [[User:Turtwig A|ナエトル]] [[Zoroark (Pokémon)|A]] [[Torterra (Pokémon)|or]] [[Turtwig|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] and my [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contributions]] 01:03, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::Thats what I meant sorry,I just typed what went through my head. [[User:CodyDelis|Cody A. Delis]] 01:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:::ive taken care of it. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 18:37, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

== New images ==

Could someone put these in? They are English screen shots to replace the Jap. ones
[[File:SoulSilver_US_start_screen.jpg]]
[[File:Heart_Gold_US_start_screen.jpg]]

They are from the press site:

http://press.nintendo.com/object?id=19523

http://press.nintendo.com/object?id=19535

[[Water (type)|Water]][[Hydro Cannon (move)|User]] ([[user:WaterUser|page]], [[User talk:WaterUser|talk]]) 19:36, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

==Gameplay changes correction==
The last note needs to be updated on the Kimono Girls summoning dance to reflect that it is only for summoning Ho-Oh in HeartGold and Lugia in SoulSilver only to avoid confusion. As long as the page is protected there is nothing that I can do about it. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 21:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== New Dutch/Belgium Release Date ==

Just got a mail from Nintendo saying that the new release date for the games is the second of april (april 2 2010).

Is it worth it posting this on the article? [[User:Alexjuuhh|Alexjuuhh]] 15:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
:Since [http://www.nintendo.nl/NOE/nl_NL/news/2010/lanceerdatum_pokmon_heartgold_version_en_pokmon_soulsilver_version_bevestigd_16616.html these] [http://www.nintendo.be/NOE/nl_BE/news/2010/lanceerdatum_pokmon_heartgold_version_en_pokmon_soulsilver_version_bevestigd_16616.html news articles] at Nintendo NL and Dutch BE, respectively, announce the release date as April 2, then yes, it must be mentioned on the article. [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 11:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

== On memes in the Trivia section ==

Seeing as Bulbapedia is being a big ol' bag of dicks at the moment and I can't edit anything without getting a 504, I'll just leave this here as a note in case I forget about it.

In the Trivia section, the 'A winner is you' quote links to the Wikipedia page for Yoda of Star Wars fame; it should link to the page for Pro Wrestling on the Nintendo Entertainment System, as this is where the meme originates from. {{unsigned|Tehb0ll0x}}
:first off, we arent being "a big bag of dicks" about the 504s. we simply have too many users and not enough server. if you read the Message from the Editor on the main page, you would know this.
:second, idk who added it, but its pretty clear they guessed on that one.
:third, sign your comments. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, I wasn't referring to the Bulbapedia community, staff, ''et al'', but to the site itself. In other words, I was doing the typically human thing and blaming the inanimate object for the problem. Apologies for the misunderstanding. And I'm ALWAYS forgetting to sign things. Apologies for that too. [[User:Tehb0ll0x|Tehb0ll0x]] 20:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== KOREAN POKEMON BOXART IMAGE ==

'''I FOUND THIS IMAGE OF THE KOREAN BOXART OF THIS GAME FROM SOME KOREAN WEBSITE [http://media.daum.net/digital/game/view.html?cateid=1051&newsid=20100202122719195&p=gamedonga (source)]. Is it OK to put it in the article?''' [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 06:40, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 
[[File:Korean Pokemon HeartGold Boxart.jpg|300px]]
:No, only the english boxart. --'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 06:42, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

== Yes, it did ==

Before anything starts about what i added in the trivia section, i saw the commercial myself.- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Flyingtypefan}} ([[User talk:Flyingtypefan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Flyingtypefan|contribs]]) ''
: That was a shot from a battle on the PokéWalker, sorry. Oh and be sure to sign. [[User:Mudkipluvr4ever|Mudkipluvr4ever]] 22:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
It was? Well, i haven't used the Pokewalker before, so can you encounter a Lugia on the Pokewalker? Just to be sure, i'll see if i can find the commercial online. [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:45, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:If the {{p|Lugia}} is on the right of the screen, it's the players Pokémon. The opposite to normal main game battles.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:09, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== Anyone mind a few more redirects? ==

Does anyone mind if I make a few more directs to this article? Specifically redirecting 'SilverSoul' to this article, because people commonly mix up SoulSilver as SilverSoul, it's a common mistake and I've been known to do it a large number of times (not on this wiki of course...). So anyway, would anyone mind if I made those redirects? [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 02:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:I've never seen anybody use that. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== How far should the notes go ==
One thing that has been on my mind for a while is how far should the notes and trivia go to avoid making this too long for the page. Minor tidbits that are not related to a general change could be removed or moved, and one thing I did was merge to similar notes together. This is the perspective I have been looking at for HeartGold and SoulSilver. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 15:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Should this be on the page? ==

HGSS combined have sold over 10,090,000 copies.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 20:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== Two cases ==

Should it be mentioned that the game comes within two cases? One holding the Pokéwalker and the actual game case, and then the actual game case itself? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 18:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== Australian Release ==

On the article it says that Australia has had HeartGold and SoulSilver since the 25th of March 2010, right? I was walking past an Australian store with the games on an earlier date, around the 18th to the 23rd. Should it be changed? [[User:Strongriver|Strongriver]] 05:52, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
:Does that store import games? I know that there are quite a few stores in English speaking countries which will import the games from the States to get them earlier than local release (although in this case only by a few days. Platinum however it was a couple of months.) [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
::The official release date of the games in Australia was indeed March 25. I think we should just leave it as that. Preorders sometimes arrive before the release dates, too. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 07:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

== Critical Reception ==

Should this page have a "Reception" section like other games? I have some information regarding review scores and nowhere to put them.--[[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 22:56, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

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==Regions?==

Do we have any word on what the new region(s) will be? It'll be based on unused portions of real-world Japan, will it? (Like [[wikipedia:Shikoku|Shikoku]], for instance?)  --[[User:Tanaka Shimoya|Tanaka Shimoya]] 06:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Not yet, but maybe soon.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 06:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::We knew the names of Diamond and Pearl back in 2005, in the earliest days of the wiki. We didn't get the name Sinnoh until after I had joined in 2006. That's how big a gap DP gave us. Given, this is due at the end of the year, but if we knew the region name '''''I WOULD HAVE SAID SO'''''. I can read Japanese, katakana specifically, and would have made that article immediately, if I knew any more than you guys do. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:::The region's called [[Isshu]]. [[User:Empoleo]]

== French intrawiki link ==

Hello !
Since this page is protected, can someone add ''Pokémon Noir et Blanc'' as french link, please ?
Thanks
[[User:Zhuquarnage|Zhu']] 15:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, there's a [http://www.pokepedia.fr/index.php/Pok%C3%A9mon_Noir_et_Blanc French page], and there's also a [http://www.pokewiki.de/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_und_White German page]. Somebody should definitely add those two. [[User:Wolf|Wolf]] 23:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

== Worth noting? ==

I was wondering if it was worth noting in the article that this is the first time 2 generations of Pokemon games have come out on the same system.--[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]]
:{{game|Gold and Silver|s}} were both produced as enhanced Game Boy cartridges. So ''technically'', Gen I & II are the first two generations to come out on the same system. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 19:20, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
::Well, Gold and Silver were playable on the GB, but they were designed for and had more features on the Game Boy Color. These games (as far as we know) are being developed specifically for the DS. --[[User:Pkmn|Pkmn]]
:::And these games could easily have features for the 3DS. We're not mentioning it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering if it is relevant to include in the trivia that the games were the 88th most popular searches in Google reported around 9 A.M but occupied this place around 8a.m {{Unsigned|EmpoleonMaster}}

:While that is interesting I don't think it is worthy enough to not, but how did you figure this out? It's neat. [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Pokemon1234567890]] 01:43, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

::Just if anyone was wondering about where i obtained the information about the searches in the internet, i just came by this information while i was doing some research about it. Only to be more exact they were classified as mild in the "hot" or popular searches in Google, there was also provided a graphic about how much this increase was but i could not obtain it. {{Unsigned|EmpoleonMaster}}

== Vehicles ==

Just thought i'd point out before it's mentioned on this page, but the shot of a bridge with cars driving underneath ISN'T the first vehicle in a Pokémon game, as most people seem to forget the moving van in the opening of the Hoenn games. A minor point, but one i always seem to remember :P [[User:Dawnshadow|Dawnshadow]] 13:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

How about the S.S. Anne Truck in the Kanto games? [[User:Pokemon1234567890|Pokemon1234567890]] 01:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:''I'' just want to point out that the Corocoro page didn't say that it was the first vehicle in the games, just that there will be a vehicle that has never been seen in the games before - it could be a unicycle for all we know. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::Hmmm.........[[Pokémon Gold and Silver beta|Skateboard]] anybody? =P --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 02:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Or even a bus system. We shouldn't assume it will be a car. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 12:01, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Irony ==

Would it be worth to note the irony in the fact that the first Pokémon games, named after ''colours'', were in ''greyscale'', and now these games, named after excessively dark and excessively light ''shades of grey'', are in third-dimensional 1900+-bit ''colour''? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 02:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:OK, that's funny. But I don't think it's too notable. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 02:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
::It could probably be noted that they're the first games since Generation 1 to be named after colors, though? I know, ''technically'', white and black aren't colors, but really no one except art students cares about that. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 02:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Aren't gold and silver colors in addition to metals? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 11:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
:::: They're all colors, except most of them are ''also'' mineral colors. I think even "Fire Red" and "Leaf Green". -- [[User:Pro-mole|Professional Mole]] ([[User talk:Pro-mole|Talk here]]) 11:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Re:"white and black aren't colors".What, since when? --[[User:Solidstate|Solid!]] 11:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
: White is the lack of color and black is a mixture of all colors [[User:Portuguese Old Man|Portuguese Old Man]] 20:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::Not in light. the opposite is true! :P [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 23:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

== Gray Version ==

Do '''''not''''' discuss that here. Just like people thought from the get-go that the third version of RS was gonna be a green gem (Emerald) and third version of DP was gonna have Giratina as a mascot (Platinum), people think from the get-go that the third version to Black and White will be Gray. Congratulations! There's a ''forum'' where you can talk about it. Bulbagarden Forums has a fifth generation subforum, and that is easily a better place to put your crappy speculation for a third version to games that don't come out until the end of the year when the ''last'' third version we got took two years after its primaries to be released. And it will be Gray if it is, because "grey" is a synonym for "old". '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:No need to get your panties in a bunch. By the way, "grey" is a perfectly acceptable variant of "gray." --[[User:Zelrio|Zelrio]] 16:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::Uh, I think TTEchidna's a male. [[User:Magikarp123193|magikarp123193]] 15:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Dude, old discussion is old.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:31, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Shiny legendary dogs to unlock feature in Black/White ==

As seen in recent Pokémon news, [[shiny]] [[legendary beasts]], to be given away at the [[m13|new movie's]] premiere in Japan, will unlock a feature in the upcoming Black and White. This info also tells us it will somehow be compatible for trade between {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, {{game|Platinum}}, and {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}.

They have unique moves that are not normally known by {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Suicune}} and {{p|Entei}}. Raikou will know {{m|Zap Cannon}}, {{m|Aura Sphere}}, and {{m|Weather Ball}} and will hold the [[Micle berry]]; Suicune will know {{m|Sheer Cold}}, {{m|Air Slash}}, and {{m|Aqua Ring}} and will hold the [[Rowap berry]]; and Entei will know {{m|Flare Blitz}}, {{m|Howl}}, and {{m|Crush Claw}} and will hold the [[Custap berry]]. All three will also know {{m|Extremespeed}}.

Please add this! - [[User:050294|050294]] 14:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Gameplay footage released on Pokémon Sunday ==

Pokémon Sunday released footage of the female player walking in a 3D city that had some {{p|Pikachu}} animated billboards.

Video seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK8AYptQHpg&fmt=18 here]. - [[User:050294|050294]] 02:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:You sure that was animated? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 04:21, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::I just checked that and the billboard above the Pokémon Center in that city is pretty stationary, it is a Pikachu billboard though. –'''[[User talk:MasterKenobi|Master]][[User:MasterKenobi|Kenobi]]''' 04:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh well. I guess I was seeing things. - [[User:050294|050294]] 07:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::::So I guess your Pokemon wont follow you anymore... [[User:Blade Bro.|Blade Bro.]]
:Maybe, maybe not. Let's leave the speculation to the forums.... *points at banner at the top of the page* —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== What Is This For? ==

Is this for the soon-to-be-released Nintendo 3DS or for just the normal DSs?
[[User:Legendary Catcher]] 0:57:10 3 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not confirmed yet, I don't think. [[User:Littlmiget123|Littlmiget123]] 00:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::Right now it appears it's for the DS, but a lot of people, such as me, think that it's going to have extra features on the 3DS. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It was confirmed for DS since before we even had the titles. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 08:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::And it says so in the article. Wow!
::::This line of correspondence is now CLOSED. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

== Tentative websites ==

Please put these (hidden, of course) as the possible sites for the translations:

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ for Global (placeholder)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.eu/ for Europe (redirect)

http://www.pokemonblackwhite.co.uk/ for the UK(redirect)

Most likely, all registered correctly.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 01:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

:It's official. These are the sites.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

::These all just redirect to the new English page. If anything is added it should be http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/ (which is the English site, by the way). --'''[[User:6259||''6259'']] 20:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu Region ==

CoroCoro just confirmed that the games will be in the Isshu Region. {{unsigned|Pokemonemerfan1954}}
:Thanks, I'll update the appropriate pages. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Pics ==

I just thought that maybe since CoroCoro showed the New Starter Pics and The New Characters they maybe could be added to the page. But im not saying they should forcibly. [[User:CodyDelis|CodyDelis]]

== Sprites ==

http://i41.tinypic.com/2gt6pa0.png

Could someone replace the current sprites for revealed Pokémon with these? They're cleaned-up PNGs, in contrast to the ones we currently have, which still have JPG pixelization when zoomed in. And it's not letting me upload them myself, I assume because of the whole new Pokémon thing. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 18:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:The Archives are locked until Monday, so I suggest maybe you contact an active admin right now, if you want them uploaded.—♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== New site link ==

http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/

I can't edit the main page, so I'll let somebody who can put this on in place of the current link. (The link as it is now leads to a very old website, and this one has all the new information, etc.) [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 19:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Never mind, the site redirects. [[User:Ztobor|Ztobor]] 03:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==

Hi. Does anyone remember me? Well, if you take a look on the PKMN Black & White Version article on the "Pokémon Wiki" on Wikia you can find other images. I suggest getting permission from the site first before using the images here. Just to let you all know! [[User:Tommy-SAN|T-SAN!]] 22:48, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:No I don't. Also, we are fine we can get our own images no need to get them from Wikia of all places. Thanks, --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 22:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::(conflicted) I do... And we just don't really consider Pokémon Wiki to be too realiable... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 22:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, whatever you guys like. I don't think of it as realiable as this one either, but you can always look at the images if you want to, it gives more of an idea of what the games will look like. --[[User:Tommy-SAN|'''T☆MMY''']][[User talk:Tommy-SAN|'''SAN!''']][[Special:Contributions/Tommy-SAN|'''♂''']] 02:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I think people already know how the games are going to be since like yesterday. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 02:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Pokemon Wiki probably just stole them off of someone else, sort of like how all of their info is stolen from us. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 06:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Considering they have an image of Sinnoh as their pic of Isshu (File:IsshuRegion.jpg on their site), they're not to be trusted for some stuff.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokemon ==

http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en/

Would somebody like to confirm the validity of these images?--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 16:33, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's on the Japanese site too with the same exact images, so.. yes, it's confirmed. That... was sudden.... ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 16:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

They are official. Reshiram, and Zekrom. Confirmed on [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/ the Japanese site] as well. [[User:Mefredbob|Mefredbob]] 16:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Is this the first time that the English and Japanese names of any Pokémon are confirmed simultaneously? This is so friggin' awesome! - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 16:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's weird. Have the starters or Zoroark even been confirmed in the US yet? {{unsigned|Skaisdead}}
:::No, they haven't. And I would like to add an important piece of info on this page. It turns out that the [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/product Boxarts have been revealed] [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== European release date ==

[http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/2010/pokmon_black_version_and_pokmon_white_version_for_nintendo_ds_coming_to_europe_in_spring_2011_17844.html Spring 2011 as well] '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 17:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:And that press release also confirms that these Pokémon are going to be on the cover, they state on which cover, and that they're legendaries. Fairly obvious, yes, but in here that everything needs super official confirmation, it is nice to have it (I think there had not been an official confirmation of that before this). '''[[User:Memo326|Memo]]'''[[User talk:Memo326|326]] 18:04, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::It's a little strange that there was no mention of they being the cover pokémon for each version in both the Japanese press (and I read the Japanese official site) or American press, but there is a quick note about it on the UK site... Even though it's obvious that they both will be on the covers, I don't really feel like this being confirmation. They just say which will appear in which game, not the cover. But maybe that's just me.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 19:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The boxart is here, for the Japanese versions:[http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/product] —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

==Website Links==
Somebody should update the links section with the new English website for these games. (http://www.pokemon.com/blackwhite/en//) [[User:6259|62]][[User Talk:6259|59]] 21:36, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:That's the minisite. A full site will be made at http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ eventually.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 22:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Or there might be construction at http://www.pokemonbw.com/ .--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 12:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::It is probably just construction because when I just tried to get onto that site IE8 said that the "site is forbidden." Probably, it will be up in the next few days. Thanks for the update. [[User:6259|62]][[User Talk:6259|59]] 21:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::It's http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ . Trust me. Please put this on the page.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 17:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::And now, as per coding on Pokemon.com, it's confirmed. Adding to page.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 21:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should we add that this is the first time the games have been revealed in America before the Japanese games actually came out? — [[User:Axxonn|'''Axxonn''']][[User talk:Axxonn|the]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|Awesometrainer]] 18:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:No. HGSS were the first games...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 18:11, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

we could put that reshiram and zekrom were the first pokemon to be revealed around the world at the same time in japan?
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC))
:Why here though? Irrelevant... [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 19:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::As for the part about Reshiram and Zekrom, it's already added on their articles that are currently in my [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Reshiram (Pokémon)|sand]][[User:Jello/Sandbox/Zekrom (Pokémon)|box]]. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 19:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==DS or 3DS==
Despite this article saying that this game can be played on Nintendo DS, I read the page [[Nintendo 3DS]], and saw that the game is played on 3DS not DS. Or is it the game can be played by both DS or 3DS? I am confused. Can somebody tell whether this game is played on DS or 3DS?

[[User:Tetrix|Tetrix]] 09:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:This game is going to release on DS. Check out the official cover boxes of both games, it's DS. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 09:53, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::But yes, it should be able to be played on the 3DS anyway; Nintendo has confirmed that most DS games can be played on the 3DS. Whether it's enhanced in any way by this remains to be seen. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Zekrom Link ==

The link that's supposed to link to Zekrom under the boxarts apparently leads to a page that does not exist, but when you click it, it does lead to Zekrom's Pokemon page. I assume someone made the links before they created the Zekrom page, so it stayed red. Could somebody please change this?--[[User:MewSoul|MewSoul]] 14:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:All you have to do is purge the page. That makes the most current revision appear. You can purge the page by pressing the clock next to your username. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Slight edit. ==

The first paragraphs of the article:

''In addition, Pokémon battles will be fully animated, with Pokémon on both sides constantly moving, with a dynamic camera that changes focus to highlight specific parts of the battle.''

''In addition to the improved graphics, a number of aesthetic changes have been made from previous generations, including an altered battle scene, speech balloons for dialog, and a combined Pokémon Center and Poké Mart building.''

Are almost the same, I suggest merging this into one paragraph, so we don't fall into redundances. [[User:Masatoshi|'''聖人''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''wat''''']] 18:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Names in other languages ==

===In other languages===
{{langtable|color={{white color light}}|bordercolor={{black color}}
|ja=ポケットモンスターブラック・ホワイト
|fr=Pokémon Version Noire et Version Blanche
|de=Pokémon Schwarze Edition und Weiβe Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Nera e Versione Bianca
|es=Pokémon Edición Negra y Edición Blanca}}

Since the games have been announced internationally, with the current exception being South Korea, can an admin add this to the article, please? [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, we got a problem here with the background color. We need the background to be white, or at least, ghost white... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 14:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
::Can someone add this to the article? It is supposed to be there. Also, I think the colors I changed it to look better. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:26, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to note that the symbol in "Weisse" (β) on the German name is actually a beta, which is a Greek letter and not the Eszett in German. The correct symbol for the Eszett is "ß". Could somebody change this? I would, but it's not letting me edit the page for some reason. - [[User:JWhitt|J]][[User_talk:JWhitt|Whitt]] 11:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:Changed. Thanks for pointing it out. The reason that you couldn't edit it is that it has been protected to prevent speculation from being added. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== 3D Buildings? ==

Did anybody else notice that the inside of the Pokémon Center is 3D? Should we add that information? [[User:Pawsrent|Pawsrent]] 16:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Release date! ==

Pokemon Sunday revealed that the release date for Black and White in Japan is September 18th, 2010. Can someone please edit this in? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 23:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:53, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

== Inverted Pairings ==

Generation V is the first time that the pairings between version color and version mascot are '''inverted'''. (I.E. Reshiram, the White Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon Black while Zekrom, the Black Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon White.)--[[User:Arima|Arima]] 02:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, it is some Honkey <s>shit</s> crap. --[[User:Zelrio|Zelrio]] 13:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::I think that's to fit the "Ying Yang" thing. Reshiram being the white circle in the black, and Zekrom being the black circle in the white. --[[User:KengoMel|KengoMel]] 10:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

==Chiramyi==
Someone edited the page, claiming this to be the correct romanisation. However, nowhere else is this used, and Chiramii is a more accurate romanisation for before the official one is released. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:38, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== New stuff in the new Oha Suta trailer ==

*Features
**Pokémon Musicals: Appear to be Super Contests in all but name.
**PokéShifter: Already reported on. Apparently a Pal Park analogue.
*Pokémon
**A fawn
**A swan
**Miruhog (ミルホッグ): From "見る" (''miru'', to watch) and "groundhog". Obvious Minezumi evolution
*Moves
**Fire Oath (ほのおのちかい): Fire-type, 10 PP
**Nitro Charge (ニトロチャージ): Fire-type, 20 PP
**Grass Mixer (グラスミキサー): Grass-type, 10 PP
**Grass Oath (くさのちかい): Grass-type, 10 PP
**[[Blastoise (Secret Wonders 2)|Waterlog]] (みずびだし): [presumably] Water-type
*Trainer classes
**American football player
**Nurse
**Some guy with a big backpack, but he's not a bear like previous Hikers
**Baker
**Tightrope walker?
*Places
**Battle Subway
—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== No walking Pokémon?? ==

So far none of the revealed images show walking Pokémon. Maybe the walking with Pokémon is just optional now but still I would think there would've been some images showing the trainer walking with Pokémon by now. (Show previous generation Pokémon walking to avoid revealing new ones too soon) If there is no walking with Pokémon in this game, I'll be a bit crushed. That feature was so fun in HeartGold and SoulSilver. I mean, these new games can very well use the Pokemon sprites from HG/SS. But if the feature is to be revealed as included in the future, would it be worth mentioning that it's the first Pokémon game with a walk with Pokémon feature that makes the feature optional? (Option to recall/send out Pokemon manually) --[[User:Brats817|Brats817]] 10:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, that might mean that out OD sprites on every template will have to be replaced. Damn, they look way better than the MS ones. [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 10:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

== Removing features. ==

I Noticed in various videos promoting the game, Pokemon do not follow the trainer around as they did in HeartGold and SoulSilver. Was this feature just bound to that selection of games? --[[User:Proctor|Proctor]] 20:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:The section directly above talks about the same thing. This sort of question is better for the forums. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:29, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

==EP links==
The Spanish link should instead lead to [[:es:Pokémon Ediciones Negra y Blanca]], and the Portuguese link that should be there is [[:pt:Pokémon Black e White]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== Infobox game ==

Well, that template gets messed up with the gallery, can anyone fix it? [[User:Masatoshi|'''Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.''']] [[User talk:Masatoshi|'''''Discuss.''''']] 06:37, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't see any issue with it. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Gοlden]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|pelt]] 07:12, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:The infobox and gallery are too wide, so it forces the gallery below the infobox's end. Maybe you have a wider screen than me and Masatoshi do.--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:15, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
::Oh. The way it was worded, it seemed like they were saying that the template got messed up. --[[User:Goldenpelt|Gοlden]][[User talk:Goldenpelt|pelt]] 07:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== Watch ==

At about 4:33 a new Pokémon can be seen and there is tons of gameplay elements.. also the evolution sequence. I'm pretty sure this is reliable and it has tons of info.
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGn4EkM5CVU]
--[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 17:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
:Those new Pokémon are Denchura, Doryuuzu, and Ononokusu. We've seen them before, but there's not enough information for us to have articles on them. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 17:06, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
::Also, it's been already mentioned in the news [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ads_for_Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_and_White_feature_unseen_footage here]. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 17:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Famitsu ==

Apparently, the new Famitsu issue came out, and Black and White received a 40/40. Since this is the first set of games that got this rating (the highest thus far I think was a 37/40 (what game, I'm not sure), I figure that might be included on the article, no?
[[User:MajinNecro69|MN69]] 03:28, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:If this is added, then a Bulbanews link should be added to [[n:Famitsu gives Black and White perfect score]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== Korea ==

Korean version has been announced several days ago. The titles are, as expected 포켓몬스터 블랙 and 포켓몬스터 화이트. The time of release - Spring 2011. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== This theme is "Opposite poles(対極)". ==

This theme was declared. http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/024/24648/ [[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 15:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:North/South rumor confirmed! Or not really. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Platinum Entries? ==

Has anyone else noticed that it seems like all Gen I-IV Pokémon's Pokédex entries are simply copied from Platinum, or at least from Gen IV entries? Any instances where this is untrue?--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 22:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
:They are all the 'Dex entries from Platinum. --[[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pikachu!''']] 00:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Well then, there's somethin trivia-worthy.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 02:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Release date ==

Hey guys, I just went to GameFaqs today in an attempt to get Gaurdian signs (it comes out tomorrow...) and they gave me a list of games release dates. Guess what two other Pokemon games were on the List? If you guessed Pokemon Black and Pokemon white...you win. It said the release date was 04/02/11. April 2nd 2011 [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 17:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:Bulbanews it. I don't know if it's true, but a draft won't hurt. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:54, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::GameFAQs, Gamespot, and other sites always make a fake date around that time. Then HeartGold and SoulSilver ended up coming out half a month earlier. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 16:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
:::They're called placeholder dates, not fake. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 23:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Back to Basics ==
Wasn't sure if it should be mentioned in the summary or its own section, but the article should mention that the creators wanted to give players the brand new feel of Red and Green/Blue all over again. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

== C-Gear ==

I was looking at the features tab, and noticed that the 3.1 C-Gear heading was empty. There was also a C-Gear page that was deleted for some reason. I found a page on Serebii.net -> http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/cgear.shtml. Could someone maybe add this in or explain what the deal is? Thanks. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 06:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:We don't currently have the info on the C-Gear because no-one has added it yet. Feel free to. And feel free to create a page for it. The one that was deleted was deleted because someone had confused it with the Live Caster, and written the article about the Live Caster. Also, please remember that other fansites are not reliable sources of info. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 07:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. I don't really use Serebii that much for "reliability", I was just seeing if any preliminary info was out there. I am not really able to make a page as I don't know anything about it, I was just wondering about the deleted page and the fact that a blank section doesn't really look right - If there's nothing to put under it, then it shouldn't be there, IMO. However, that has been remedied, and thanks for responding. You answered my question well! --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] 01:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shouldn't the Famitsu thing be RECEPTION? ==

As above.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 09:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Shroomish ==

It's actually exclusive to Pokémon Black. I know because I caught one. I think it might be Paras that is exclusive to Pokémon White. Just guessing cause they're mushrooms. It needs to be fixed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 19:25, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

== US Release Date ==

I recently found that the US release date for [[Pokémon Black and White Versions]], which is April 2, 2011. I discovered this information as I was pre-ordering them at GameStop. Is this considered a reliable source of information, and is there any way of putting the US release date on the page? Thanks! --[[User:Galladequaza|'''Gallade''']][[User:Galladequaza|'''quaza''']]
:No, it's not reliable. GameStop guesses at release dates when it comes to preorders, just so they have more to promise than the vague "Spring 2010". Until we get something from Nintendo themselves, we aren't adding any specific dates. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 01:33, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::Not to mention that's a Saturday and Nintendo releases new games on Sunday. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 15:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

== A Bit More Trivia ==
In the trivia section, there's a note that points out many 'staples' of the series that BW do not feature (three rods, Game Corner, etc.). Isn't it worthy to add to that section that BW are also the first games that are not remakes, since the first generation, where the male protagonist's name doesn't end in "ki" (Hibiki, Yuji and Koki) and the female's name doesn't have the syllable "ka" (Haruka and Hikari)? [[User:Veggietable|Veggietable]] 15:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Australian Release Date ==

Is the Australian Release Date refering to Australian Spring or North Hemisphere Spring? It seems unfair that we have to wait three months after the rest of the world. [[User:Maril and Co.|Mr. Maril Of Oldale]] 00:54, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
:The Australian minisite says "Early 2011", so I've updated the page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I assume this was put in by someone who didn't know we have Autumn when Americans have spring [[User:Maril and Co.|Mr. Maril Of Oldale]] 03:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Characters' History ==

Apparently Nintendo Dream had an interview a while back regarding the origins of some of the games' characters, such as N and the Gym Leaders. I found some translations/impressions from the interview [http://pokejungle.net/2010/11/22/character-designs-and-inspirations/ here] and [http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=6321861&postcount=24 here], but not the actual reported interview. Anyone want to search for it and place the info on the articles? [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 08:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

==Possible English Release date==

This may not be correct so don't jump to conclusions yet but a flyer at gamestop listing next years game releases it listed Pokémon Black and white for '''Sunday April 17, 2011''' This seems official to me I don't think Gamestop would lie, but I'll look for furthur details. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 17:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:Gamestop's had placeholder release dates before. I'd take it with a huge-ass grain of salt. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 17:32, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::Well it follows the previous release date times on Sunday and in spring. Remember I did not say it was confirmed so don't tell me I'm wrong. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 17:36, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Not saying you're wrong, just saying there exists the possibility of it not being right. Plus, I'm really hoping for a March release date. It's earlier. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 20:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Gamestop used placeholders all the time. They gave three different HG/SS dates and two different Guardian Signs dates. Those release date books they have aren't the most reliable. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 01:47, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

== New PBW Template ==

I don't know how to make templates but I have an idea. It might look messy but you never know. Since there are no walking Pokémon in PBW could there be separate party templates for Gen V and Gen I-IV, Gen V with MS sprites and Gen I-IV with OD sprites? —[[User:Strongriver|強力な]][[User talk:Strongriver|河川]][[Special:Contributions/Strongriver|!]] 09:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's not really relevant to this page. It would look very messy, especially considering that some pages have two party templates. I think that it is best to just leave it the way it is. Hopefully we get OD sprites in another Generation V game. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

=={{template|Infobox_game}} template ==
Right now game titles are writen with black font on almost black background, it's kinda hard to read. If one to swap ''colorscheme'' and ''bordercolorscheme'', titles become easier to read, but titles of subcategories (Basic Info, Ratings...) contrary harder and infobox itself looks worse and less appealing. Is there a way to change titles color to white? It would make more sense and be easier to read... --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 12:34, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:How's that? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 18:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

== Battle Revolution Compatability? ==

So I'm guessing these don't work with Battle Revolution, unless the 3-D sprites, announcer voice-overs, and move cinematics are loaded from the games, which I don't think they do
[[User:ChknNuggets|ChknNuggets]] 17:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:They don't. The disclaimer on the bottom of the Japanese boxes says as such. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 09:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia: Catching version mascot? ==

The Trivia section states that the game requires the player to catch Reshiram/Zekrom in order to continue the plot ... but back in ''Ruby/Sapphire'' the player had to fight Groudon or Kyogre as part of the story, and in ''HeartGold/SoulSilver'' the player is required to battle their version mascot before they can surf out of New Bark Town and proceed towards Victory Road.

So does this mean the player is specifically required to ''catch'' their version mascot, and not merely face it in a battle? If so, Black/White are indeed the first generation to do this, but as the US release isn't for another few months, that's just a guess and I could be wrong. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]] 07:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)''
:I think that it was clear enough before. It said "required to catch", so I don't see that as misleading. In the other games where you have to battle the version mascot, you are not "required to catch" them. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:36, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== ? ==

Do these games require 3DS, or does a normal DS Lite run these games? Just askin' before I make the decision to purchase either game. =) --[[User:Neekerisanni123|Sanni]] 16:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
:Any console with "DS" in its name works.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 16:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== Glitch ==

There seems to be a glitch with the main infobox in this article; the words "Black" and "White" in the heading are overlapping. [[User:Taromon777|'''T a r o m o n''']] 11:46, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's probably just your browser. Everything looks fine to me. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 19:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Oh, that's right. . . that was pointed out to me before, but I couldn't figure out why it was doing that. The only thing I could think of now was IE stacking the tables which were all in the same cell, which it shouldn't be doing anyway. I separated them into separate cells, so it should be all fixed now. Hopefully I haven't introduced any other bugs. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
The trivia states that these games are the first games since yellow to be named after colours but black and white are not actually colours ([[User:Matty19892009|Matty19892009]] 14:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC))
:New comments to the bottom please. And if they aren't colours, would you mind telling me what colour this text is? How about this text? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:32, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, and don't even mention Gold and Silver being colors. I'm pretty sure they're supposed to be named after the minerals of gold and silver. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee]] [[Special:Random|§]] [[User talk:BeeBwakka|Bwakka]] 01:36, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Actually, Gold and Silver are named after the colors. In Japanese, there is a distinction between Gold and Silver as metals and as colors, and the games use the colors in their names. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Antiwar ideas that stay in Pokémon Black and White ==

The developer included antiwar ideas to Pokémon Black and White. [http://www22.atwiki.jp/bwhuman?cmd=upload&act=open&pageid=48&file=%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F6.jpg]
The name of the magazine is Da Vinci.[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir_english/?p=244][[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 08:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Game Informer Review ==

Game Informer gave the games a 8.75 out of 10 in the issue I just got today.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 00:10, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

It has been a few days since I added the above and since it was not changed I am adding it now. Feel free to rewrite it to be better than what I have done.--[[User:Marchbaby|Marchbaby]] 22:45, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you. Next time you find out something new, feel free to add it right away :) —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:00, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought you guys did the table thing for reviews like on Wikipedia so I posted this before checking but since it is only text here I am glad since I cannot do the tables on a wiki to save my life. I will keep looking for more reviews.I did find that videogamer.com gave the games a 9 out of 10 so I will add that as well.

== Music ==
Nobody thought to add the fact that the music changes depending on the battle situation? *Adds* [[User:PoketoaTheFirefox|PoketoaTheFirefox]] 17:13, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

== Doubtful source. ==

Also, some of the new Pokémon appearing in both games were designed by James Turner of Nintendo of America instead of Game Freak's design team. This is to tie up with the American feel of Black and White.

1 "James Turner" belongs to Nintendo of America.

2 This is to tie up with the American feel of Black and White.

Where is this source? "James Turner" is an employee of game freak.[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/staff/?p=204][[User:Sawamular101|Sawamular101]] 18:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Time after the other generations? ==

Should we include how many years after the previous Generations Generation V occurs?

If Gen. I and III occur at the same time, and Gen. II and and IV occur 3 years after that, then we can narrow Generation V down to happening at least 1 year after Generation II/IV due to Cynthia mentioning being beaten by the protagonist of Generation IV.

Just a thought [[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 18:41, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
:Fourth paragraph of the [[Generation V]] article:
::Generation V occurs an unknown amount of time after Generation II and Generation IV. The Team Rocket Grunt who stole the Machine Part appears, saying that while he had intended to revive Team Rocket upon returning home, he instead fell in love and had a son. Cynthia mentions visiting the Distortion World and being defeated by a young Trainer as Sinnoh League Champion.
:—[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 18:44, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah okay, i didnt notice that on the Generation V Page.
[[User:Robster10|Robster10]] 18:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Special DSi Bundle ==

Do we have information on the new DSi bundles anywhere on the site? They just got confirmed by IGN, but I wasn't sure if it was official before. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 22:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:I checked and it wasn't, so I put it there. --[[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 16:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Pokémon Black and White Versions

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:''This article is about the [[Generation V]] {{pkmn|games}}. For other uses, see [[Black and White]].''
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|name=Pokémon Black Version
|name2=Pokémon White Version
|jname=ポケットモンスターブラック
|jname2=ポケットモンスターホワイト
|boxart=Black box EN-US.png
|boxart2=White box EN-US.png
|caption=Pokémon Black Version's boxart, [[version mascot|featuring]] {{p|Reshiram}}.
|caption2=Pokémon White Version's boxart, [[version mascot|featuring]] {{p|Zekrom}}.
|jbox=Pokemon Black Boxart JP.png
|jbox2=Pokemon White Boxart JP.png
|jcaption=Boxart of Pocket Monsters Black.
|jcaption2=Boxart of Pocket Monsters White.
|platform=[[Nintendo DS]]
|category=RPG
|players=1-4 players simultaneous
|link_method=[[Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection|Wi-Fi]], {{wp|Infrared|IR}}
|developer=[[Game Freak]]
|publisher=[[Nintendo]] [[The Pokémon Company]]
|gen_series=[[Generation V]] [[version|main series]]
|cero=A
|esrb=E
|pegi=3+
|oflc=G
|grb=N/A
|release_date_ja=September 18, 2010
|release_date_na=March 6, 2011
|release_date_au=March 10, 2011
|release_date_eu=March 4, 2011
|release_date_kr=April 2011
|website_ja=[http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/ Official subsite]
|website_en=[http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ Official minisite]
}}
{{bulbanews|game}}
{{StrategyWiki|Pokémon Black and White}}

'''Pokémon Black Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターブラック''' ''Pocket Monsters Black'') and '''Pokémon White Version''' (Japanese: '''ポケットモンスターホワイト''' ''Pocket Monsters White'') are the primary [[paired version]]s of [[Generation V]].

Black and White follow the trends set up by previous games in the series. Two [[player character]]s (one male and one female) travel a new region, [[Unova]], on their [[Pokémon journey]]s. This region is inhabited by various {{OBP|Pokémon|species}}, and unlike before, none of those available prior to [[Generation V]] can be obtained before defeating the Elite Four. The first of the new Pokémon to be featured in these games, {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}}, were revealed on February 10, 2010 in [[CoroCoro]] magazine, and the [[starter Pokémon]] were revealed in May.

The games' names were revealed on the official Japanese Pokémon website on April 9, and scans from the subsequent issue of the magazine were leaked on April 10. These scans revealed some of the graphical enhancements that are featured in these games. There is a higher level of 3D graphics than in previous games, as shown in some shots of the overworld. Initial sprites could be seen for Zorua, Zoroark, and the [[player character]]s.

In addition to the improved graphics, a number of aesthetic changes have been made from previous generations, including an altered battle scene containing fully animated Pokémon battle sprites as well as a dynamic camera that changes focus to highlight specific parts of the battle. Also, when talking to people, {{wp|speech balloon}}s for dialog will appear over people's heads, rather than as simply a dialog box.

Black and White are compatible with all five [[Generation IV]] games through use of the [[Poké Transfer]]—unlike [[Pal Park]] [[item]]s cannot be held by Pokémon being sent over. Pokémon can be sent from Generation III games, as well, by transfer through Generation IV. The games also have the capacity to connect to the {{wp|Internet}}.

==Plot==
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The game starts in [[Nuvema Town]] in the player's room with [[Cheren]], a childhood friend. [[Professor Juniper]] has left a gift box for the two and {{ga|Bianca}}, another one of the player's friends, who arrives a little later. The box contains [[Starter Pokémon|three Pokémon]] that the player can choose from. After the selection, Bianca will request a battle. When the battle is over, the room becomes cluttered due to the battle. Cheren heals both the player's and Bianca's Pokémon, and begins a battle with the player as well. If the player loses to Cheren, he will gloat about his victory. The three then go downstairs, and Cheren and Bianca will leave the house while the player's [[mom|mother]] will heal the Pokémon.

The player visits Bianca's house, where she and her father are having an argument about her going on a Pokémon journey. Bianca storms out of the house, and the player follows her to Professor Juniper's lab, where Cheren has been waiting. In the lab, Professor Juniper will give the player a chance to nickname the selected [[starter Pokémon]], and give each of the three a [[Pokédex]]. Upon leaving the lab, they will be greeted by the player's mother, who will hand everyone a [[Town Map]].

From then on, the player will set off on adventures through the Unova region. Along the way, the player will battle eight [[Gym Leader]]s, while trying to complete the [[Pokédex]]. After managing to obtain all eight [[badge]]s, the player will head to the [[Pokémon League]] to battle the [[Elite Four]] and the Champion.

However, the adventure did not go as expected as the evil [[Team Plasma]] will be encountered along the way to the Pokémon League. The player will encounter [[N]], the leader of the evil organization. One of the [[Seven Sages]], [[Ghetsis]], has a different goal than their leader. The player must thwart the plans of those two and save the Unova region from being destroyed.

However, unlike previous games, the player will not be battling the Champion of the Unova region when after first defeating the Elite Four; instead, [[N]] is battled. After defeating him, he promises not to separate the world of humans from the world of Pokémon.

After defeating N and Ghetsis, however, the game is not over, as there are further activities to be done, such as capturing the other [[legendary Pokémon]] in the game, re-battle the [[Elite Four]] and battle the champion, [[Adeku]], and finding the seven sages who are in various parts of the Unova region.



==Features==
Black and White returns features present in previous generations, such as day, time, abilities and the split between [[Physical move|Physical]] and [[Special move]]s. Certain ones, however, such as [[walking Pokémon|Pokémon following their Trainers]] and the [[Battle Frontier]], have been left out.

===C-Gear===
{{main|C-Gear}}
The C-Gear allows players to use certain multiplayer functions while anywhere in the game world. These functions vary with the type of communication used: wireless, Wi-Fi and infrared. The C-Gear is similar to the [[Pokétch]] in that it fills the bottom screen, but its applications are much different.

On the [[C-Gear]], as well as in battle, the current time is displayed in {{wp|12-hour clock|12-hour}} format, however, at the hours of 12:00 AM and PM, the hour displays as 0, rather than 12, as a {{wp|24-hour clock}}, such as that on the DS and in the [[Generation IV]] games, would display midnight.

===Pokémon Global Link===
{{main|Pokémon Global Link}}
The Pokémon Global Link is a multiplayer feature that makes use of the [[Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection]] and is the equivalent of the fourth generation [[GTS]]. In addition to providing the features of the GTS, it allows players to upload their save files to the Pokémon Global Link website to access the [[Pokémon Dream World]]. Players can also go to the [[Pokémon Center]] to enter Random Matchup where they can battle a random person also connected to Random Matchup. The Global Link is also the place where players can download exclusive content including C-Gear and Pokédex skins.

====Pokémon Dream World====
{{main|Pokémon Dream World}}
The Pokémon Dream World is a special feature of Black and White which is operated via an Internet website, [http://www.pokemon-gl.com/ Pokémon-GL.com]. The Dream World allows players to send a Pokémon to the Internet to obtain items and meet other Pokémon, making the website in a way such that it is a [[Generation V]] analog to the [[Pokéwalker]].

Many Pokémon that are found here are not found in the [[Unova]] region, and would otherwise have to be migrated from a [[Generation IV]] game to be used. All of the Pokémon available here are given Dream World-exclusive hidden abilities that their species cannot have by normal means.

===Entralink===
{{main|Entralink}}
The Entralink is a new feature in Pokémon Black and White which allows contact with other players over local wireless. It is a multiplayer area in central Unova; Pokémon obtained in the [[Pokémon Dream World]] can be caught here. In combination with the [[C-Gear]], it is possible to travel through Unova with other players and battle, trade and perform various multiplayer sidequests.

===Pokémon Musical===
{{main|Pokémon Musical}}
Pokémon Contests, which have been present since [[Generation III]], are replaced by the Pokémon Musicals. Similar to the Super Contests in {{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}, Trainers have to dress up their Pokémon with different accessories. The Pokémon will then compete by dancing on the theater stage with the other entrants. They are held in [[Nimbasa City]].

===Seasons===
{{main|Seasons}}
Much like [[Generation II]] introduced a system of time, Generation V features a system of seasons. Seasons change every month, which cycles thrice for each year. With it comes aesthetic changes in the region, as well as some changes with the Pokémon found in the wild. Additionally, {{p|Deerling}} and its evolution {{p|Sawsbuck}} change forms every season. Some areas can only be accessed in certain seasons.

===Sprite animations===
While already featured in previous games, Pokémon sprites in Black and White remain animated throughout the battle. Additionally, full back sprites are now present in the games. Some, but not all, Pokémon use animated versions of their [[Generation IV]] sprites. All Trainers, on the other hand, with the exception of {{ga|Bianca}}, [[Cheren]] and [[N]], return to sprites with no animations.

===Changing music===
Whereas in previous games, the music was the same during entire battles (other than when the player's Pokémon has less than ¼ health remaining), in Generation V, things such as battle music may change with the situation. For example, when battling a [[Gym Leader]]'s last Pokémon, the music changes to a remix of the main theme. The warning sound heard when a Pokémon has less than ¼ of its maximum {{stat|HP}} remaining has also been remixed into its own music. "Rare" Pokémon also get their own theme. Although this isn't technically new, the seasons change the music in certain places as well, though these changes are mostly the instruments heard. This is similar to the [[Time|day/night cycle]] in Generation IV.

===Triple battles===
{{main|Triple battle}}
In a triple battle, three Pokémon on each side are sent out at once. There are restrictions as to which Pokémon can attack which opponent. The Pokémon in the middle can attack all three on the other side, but the ones on either side cannot attack the Pokémon on the far side of the opposite end. However, there are some exceptions to this rule, through the use of moves such as {{m|Acrobatics}}. The Pokémon {{p|Pansage}}, {{p|Pansear}}, and {{p|Panpour}} were introduced to showcase this new feature. The position of each Pokémon can be changed during the battle; however, a turn will be used up.

===Rotation battles===
{{main|Rotational battle}}
Rotational battles are similar to triple battles in that three Pokémon in each team are sent onto each side; however, they are sent out onto a circular platform. The platform can be rotated a third of the way around without wasting a turn. The Pokémon which is in the third of the circle facing the opponent is the one currently active. Strategy revolves around predicting which Pokémon the opponent will switch to and switching to the appropriate Pokémon on the player's side.

===Gyms===
Pokémon Black and White brings back the traditional eight [[Gyms]], but with it a total of eleven [[Gym Leaders]]. They are [[Cilan]], [[Chili]] and [[Cress]] ({{t|Grass}}, {{t|Fire}} and {{t|Water}}, respectively), [[Lenora]] ({{t|Normal}}), [[Arti]] ({{t|Bug}}), [[Kamitsure]] ({{t|Electric}}), [[Yacon]] ({{t|Ground}}), [[Fuuro]] ({{t|Flying}}), [[Hachiku]] ({{t|Ice}}), [[Shaga]] and [[Iris]] ({{t|Dragon}}). Cilan, Chili or Cress are battled if the player has chosen the {{type|Water}}, {{type|Grass}} or {{type|Fire}} [[starter Pokémon]], respectively. Shaga is battled in Pokémon Black while Iris is battled in Pokémon White.

===Elite Four===
Unlike previous games, the Elite Four can be battled in any order. After battling all four, a path to the Champion is unlocked. The Elite Four members are [[Shikimi]] ({{t|Ghost}}), [[Giima]] ({{t|Dark}}), [[Caitlin]] ({{t|Psychic}}) and [[Renbu]] ({{t|Fighting}}). However, the player is not able to battle the Champion before defeating [[Team Plasma]]. Later, after defeating them in a rematch, the player will face Champion [[Adeku]], who uses a variety of types. It should be noted that Caitlin is the same person present in the [[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)#Battle Castle|Battle Castle]] who was alongside her butler {{FB|Castle Valet|Darach}} in [[Generation IV]].

===New Pokémon===
:''See [[:Category:Generation V Pokémon]]''
Black and White bring a total of 156 new Pokémon, bringing the overall total to 649 from the 493 present in Generation IV. While some new Pokémon may have similarities to previously introduced Pokémon, none of the new Pokémon are related by evolution to any of the 493 introduced previously.

The first Pokémon to be revealed were {{p|Zoroark}} and {{p|Zorua}}, who were both featured in ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''. Unlike previous generations, no other new Pokémon were featured in the main {{pkmn|anime}} prior to the games' release.

====[[Version-exclusive Pokémon]]====
{| align="center"
|- align="center" valign="top"
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{black color}}; {{roundy|1em}}; border: 3px solid #{{black color light}};"
|-
! style="color: #FFFFFF;" | Black
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{black color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentrytm|013|Weedle|2|Bug|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|014|Kakuna|2|Bug|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|015|Beedrill|2|Bug|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|198|Murkrow|2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|228|Houndour|2|Dark|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|229|Houndoom|2|Dark|Fire}}
{{Moveentrytm|285|Shroomish|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|286|Breloom|2|Grass|Fighting}}
{{Moveentrytm|311|Plusle|1|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|313|Volbeat|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|430|Honchkrow| 2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|546|Monmen|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|547|Elfuun|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|574|Gothimu|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|575|Gochimiru|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|576|Gothitelle|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|629|Baruchai| 2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|630|Barujiina| 2|Dark|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|641|Tornelos|1|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|643|Reshiram|2|Dragon|Fire}}
|}
|}
|
{| align="center" style="background: #{{white color}}; {{roundy|1em}}; border: 3px solid #{{white color light}};"
|-
! White
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{white color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentrytm|010|Caterpie|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|011|Metapod|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|012|Butterfree|2|Bug|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|046|Paras|2|Bug|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|047|Parasect|2|Bug|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|200|Misdreavus|1|Ghost}}
{{Moveentrytm|261|Poochyena|1|Dark}}
{{Moveentrytm|262|Mightyena|1|Dark}}
{{Moveentrytm|312|Minun|1|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|314|Illumise|1|Bug}}
{{Moveentrytm|429|Mismagius|1|Ghost}}
{{Moveentrytm|548|Churine|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|549|Doredia|1|Grass}}
{{Moveentrytm|577|Yuniran|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|578|Daburan|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|579|Reuniclus|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|627|Washibon|2|Normal|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|628|Braviary|2|Normal|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|642|Voltolos|2|Electric|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|644|Zekrom|2|Dragon|Electric}}
|}
|}
|}
* The following Pokémon can only be found in the [[White Forest]], which is exclusive to Pokémon White:

{| align="center" style="background: #{{white color}}; {{roundy|1em}}; border: 3px solid #{{white color light}};"
|-
! White Forest only
|- align="center"
|
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #{{white color}}; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align="center"
{{Moveentrytm|016|Pidgey|2|Normal|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|029|Nidoran♀|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|032|Nidoran♂|1|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|043|Oddish|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|063|Abra|1|Psychic}}
{{Moveentrytm|066|Machop|1|Fighting}}
{{Moveentrytm|069|Bellsprout|2|Grass|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|081|Magnemite|2|Electric|Steel}}
{{Moveentrytm|092|Gastly|2|Ghost|Poison}}
{{Moveentrytm|111|Rhyhorn|2|Ground|Rock}}
{{Moveentrytm|137|Porygon|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|175|Togepi|1|Normal}}
{{Moveentrytm|179|Mareep|1|Electric}}
{{Moveentrytm|187|Hoppip|2|Grass|Flying}}
{{Moveentrytm|194|Wooper|2|Water|Ground}}
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* Note that while {{p|Monmen}} and {{p|Churine}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, there is an [[List of in-game trades|in-game trade]] in [[Nacrene City]] for the Pokémon which is exclusive to the other game. By extension, this also allows {{p|Elfuun}} and {{p|Doredia}} to be obtained in the versions they are otherwise unobtainable in.
* While {{p|Volbeat}} and {{p|Illumise}} are only available in the wild in Black and White respectively, Illumise can [[breed]] with any male Pokémon in the {{egg3|Bug}}, {{egg3|Humanshape}} or {{p|Ditto}} to produce eggs that have an 50% chance of hatching into Volbeat. However, breeding Volbeat with Ditto will not produce Illumise eggs.

==Compatibility==
Black and White are able to connect with all [[Generation IV|fourth generation]] main series games. Pokémon from Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold, and SoulSilver are able to be traded forward to these games using the [[Poké Transfer]]. Like the transfer available in [[Pal Park]], Pokémon sent to Black and White cannot be returned to their original games. Some event Pokémon released in Generation IV have the ability to unlock more events in Generation V: specific {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, {{p|Suicune}} and {{p|Celebi}}, transferrable via an exclusive method called the [[Relocator]], unlock {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}}. Likewise, the [[Lock Capsule]] transferred from Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver yields {{tm|95|Bark Out}}, but this event has yet to take place.

Black and White also have the ability to connect to the Internet, accessing the [[Pokémon Dream World]]; Pokémon acquired in this manner are obtained in the [[Entralink|Entralink forest]]. Although the game cartridges contain infrared technology similar to that used in HeartGold and SoulSilver, Black and White are unable to connect with the [[Pokéwalker]].

==Reception==
[[File:BWFamitsu.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Black and White's perfect score]]
Gaming magazine {{wp|Famitsu}} has given Pokémon Black and White Versions perfect scores. The reviewers were highly impressed with the fresh approach that the game has taken, from the graphics to the new features to the diversity of the Pokémon. The reviewers were also impressed by the Wi-Fi and PC features.

Only 14 other games have received a perfect score of 40/40, the first of which was ''{{zw|The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time}}'', and the most recent being ''{{wp|Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker}}.

{{wp|Game Informer}} gave the games 8.75 out of 10. Videogamer.com gave the games a 9 out of 10. [[Nintendo Power]] Magazine gave the games a 9.0 out of 10

==Trivia==
* The developer included antiwar ideas to Pokémon Black and White.
* Pokémon Black and White each have a [[Tao trio|mascot]] of the color of their counterpart version.
* Game Freak spent about one and a half years developing the story and characters.<ref>[http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/staff/?p=202 Game Freak's blog]</ref>
* Several bonus items were available with pre-orders of the games in various countries:
** In Japan, people could receive a {{p|Reshiram}} sound drop by pre-ordering Pokémon Black and a {{p|Zekrom}} sound drop by pre-ordering Pokémon White.
** In the USA, Toys "R" Us offered Reshiram and Zekrom wall clings to anyone who pre-ordered the game.
** In the UK, Gamestation offered three styluses for the DS, each one featuring one of the [[Unova]] [[Starter Pokémon|starters]] to anyone who pre-ordered a game.
* The credits of the Japanese versions are shown in English if kanji mode is selected.
* The font used by the Japanese versions is the same one seen in [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl beta|pre-release media]] of the Japanese versions of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}.
* Pokémon Black and White are the first main series games to require the version mascot to be specifically ''caught'', and not merely battled. The story will not continue if {{p|Reshiram}}{{sup|Bl}} or {{p|Zekrom}}{{sup|W}} has not been caught, and will keep acting as if the battle had not occurred yet.
** However, if the player has a full [[party]] and [[PC]], the game does not require the Pokémon to be caught; instead, the Pokémon appears at [[Dragonspiral Tower]] after defeating it at [[N's Castle]].
* In the international versions, Pokémon names are no longer displayed in all capital letters, following the trend set in [[Generation IV]] of no longer displaying the names of characters, items and locations in all capital letters.
* When the games were advertised or reported on [[Pokémon Sunday]], the song ''{{wp|Black or White}}'' by {{wp|Michael Jackson}} was played multiple times as a reference to the titles of the games.
* These games are the first [[version|main series]] {{pkmn|games}} to be available in Europe before the United States, being released 2 days earlier. However, these are not the first Pokémon titles, being preceded by the spin-off games [[Pokémon Dash]] and [[PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure]].
* The slogan used in the commercials for these games is "Start From A New Beginning".

===In other languages===
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|de=Pokémon Schwarze Edition und Weiße Edition
|it=Pokémon Versione Nera e Versione Bianca
|ko={{tt|포켓몬스터 블랙·화이트|Pocket Monsters Black and White}}
|es_eu=Pokémon Edición Negra y Edición Blanca}}

==References==
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==Manga motto==
Uh, Evil Tusks...? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 03:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
:They were probably going for Evil T'''a'''sks. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 07:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

==Other languages==
Should the other dubs' versions be mentioned as well? They're running gags after all (just in different languages). --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
*I just don't like the dub motto because they've dumbed it down since the first motto.
**Should a new page with all the Team Rocket's variations in other languages be created? [[User:Portuguese Old Man|Portuguese Old Man]] 20:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

==Butch and Cassidy's motto==

Actually, they claim it is the '''REAL''' motto, and Jessie and James got it wrong. [[User:Im a bulba|Im a bulba]] 00:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

==Romaji motto==
Can we get the TR Japanese mottos in romaji too? It'd just provide another bit of information for those interested.

==Old Motto==
Isn't it weird that the first motto talks about stuff like ''saving'' the world?{{Ani|133}}[[User:Pkmnluvr25|'''Pkmn''']]{{Ani|196}}[[User talk:Pkmnluvr25|'''luvr''']]{{Ani|134}}[[Special:Contributions/Pkmnluvr25|'''25''']]{{Ani|470}} 04:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:Um, no... they were talking about saving the world from love and goodness or something.--[[User:Smartkidhen|Smartkidhen]] 19:45, 3 November 2009 (UTC)Should we mention that team rocket has been cought because being unable to resist the urge to say their motto?[[User:Angel10698|Angel10698]] 04:25, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

== Romaji ==

<nowiki>Shouldn't it say translation instead of romaji?</nowiki>
:Me thinks they are crazy, that's all...{{ani|493}}'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35, to be exact...>.>;;;</nowiki>">Optimatum]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]{{{1|13:49 7 Mar 2008}}}'''
:Um, don't we have both the translation AND the romaji?  --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 20:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

==Cassidy and Butch's motto from Sleight of Sand==

Would it be alright if I added it to the page? -- [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 12:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:Of course, If you don't, someone else will. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 12:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::Consider it done then. o7 -- [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 13:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Put it under Butch and Cassidy...not under Sinnoh. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 13:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I put it under Sinnoh because the Butch and Cassidy bit is a subsection of the original motto, which this isn't. However, I think I could compromise - we just move the Butch and Cassidy part to be a stand-alone part. -- [[User:Nebula|Nebula]] 13:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[AG031|Just One of the Geysers]] ==

In this episode the motto is also altered, but I can't really recognise some words. Interpretations in the Internet look quite dubious to me.

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Team Rocket recites this motto upon being spotted in [[Brawly]]'s secret base stealing food from his fridge.

:'''Jessie:''' Prepare for trouble from up on the ridge!
:'''James:''' And make it double, 'cause we've raided the fridge!
:'''Jessie:''' To protect the world from devastation!
:'''James:''' To unite all peoples within our nation!
:'''Jessie:''' To denounce the evils of a yummy pear!
:'''James:''' To extend out reach to a <?>!
:'''Jessie:''' Jessie!
:'''James:''' James!
:'''Jessie:''' Team Rocket blasts of with all the four food groups!
:'''James:''' And believe it or not, it includes <?> soups!
:'''Meowth:''' <Oi, kavul!>
:'''Wobbuffet:''' Wobbuffet!
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Since I'm not a native English speaker, maybe someone with better English hearing could add it? If someone has enough time but doesn't have the episode, he/she may [http://rapidshare.de/files/40149951/AG031TRmotto.mp4.html download] the motto scene (4,6 MB, MPEG-4). --[[User:Pokeresp|Pokeresp]] 12:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

==Dutch motto==
Is it ok if I add this to the "other languages" section? Or does someone have a problem with it? (if so, please give a good reason) [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] 13:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
*That's the purpose of the "other langagues" sections, so, go ahead ;) [[User:Portuguese Old Man|Portuguese Old Man]] 16:58, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

=="Blasts" or "Blasting?"==
This article says the line is "Team Rocket, blasting off at the speed of light!" but I'm pretty sure it's "Team Rocket blasts off at the speed of light!"

I definitely haven't heard them say "blasting". Is this a mistake, or... what? :) [[User:Mikeleeuk|Mikeleeuk]] 18:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

== The star ==

You know, I never thought of this, but why when the Team Rocket blasts off, they shine like a star in the end? (Blink) --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 04:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:To show they are far far away, I guess. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
::Does that happen in real life? --[[User:Dr. James|Dr. James]] 05:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
:::About as often as people getting shocked by an electric rodent on a day-to-day basis. There is a thing called artistic license, I guess this comes into play here. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
::::It's called a Star KO, there's a page about it over at SmashWiki. I think they used to reference Team Rocket on the page, but it's not there anymore. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 01:38, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== ''An Egg Scramble'' motto ==

Can anyone figure out what Team Rocket is saying in their most recent motto? There are currently many missing parts to the motto in the list of variations. [[User:Team Rocket|Team Rocket]] 13:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Missing variations ==

There are many other variations that aren't listed here. I will write here some of the episodes that have variations:
- [[EP258]];
- [[AG088]];
- [[AG121]];
- [[DP034]];
- [[DP037]].
I'm pretty sure there are some more, but these are the ones I remember. I will try to add them, but since I'm not english, I will require some help.

Also... is that motto from "The Ice Cave" official?

There is also a motto at the end of "Go West Young Meowth" ummm it is EP070[[User:Angel10698|Angel10698]] 03:17, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== Isshu plz ==

Can somebody get it up here? I know its different from Sinnoh. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:But it's already here; O_o lol[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 00:17, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

== more focus on original mottos ==

i think this page should focus more on the original mottos, like showing the original mottos they used in the respective regions on the mainpage, then hiding or shifting the variations to another, so a visitor does not have sift through all the variations before finding, say the Isshu motto. [[User:AquaDragon|AquaDragon]] [[User_talk:AquaDragon|(talk)]] 09:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Variations ==

The variations desperately need, rather a different article, a subarticle, or to be hidden. The best way in my opinion would be to seperate it into a different article. Then, the actual mottos will be easier to find (heck, it's even hard to find them in the toc) and the variations will all be in one neat little place for the people who actually care about the variations. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 00:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
:I think they just need to be hidden so all you see when you first come to the page is the five mottos and you can unhide the variations if you want to. As for the idea of making a separate article for them, I can see why you might do that, but the variations are still technically the Team Rocket motto so... I don't know. - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 00:54, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
:I just made them hidden. The page is not as much of a tower of text anymore. - '''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]][[User talk:Vhayes1992|1992]]''' 21:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

==Tao's reference in Unova motto==
I can't word it good enough, but obviously [[version mascot]]s of BW are referenced in the last lines of new motto: "''The fiery destroyer...''" and "''...with thunderous emotion...''" - {{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Zekrom}} respectively. Also in Meowth's line "''Wisest of the wise...''" the word ''ice'' could be heard, which could be reference to speculated mascot of the third version (yes, I know the rumors), {{p|Kyurem}}. --[[User:ЫъГЬ|ЫъГЬ]] 19:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:It's in trivia now. The Ice thing is a bit convoluted, but Meowth does say 'eternity', and Kyurem's wugi can mean 'infinity' or 'boundlessness'. [[User:NotSteve|NotSteve]] 01:42, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

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|narelease=April 5, 2009
|eurelease=April 3, 2009
|aurelease=April 2, 2009
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*Dimensions: 74.9 mm long × 137 mm wide × 18.9-mm tall
*Top Screen: A backlit, 3.25-inch, transmissive TFT color LCD, capable of displaying a total of 260,000 colors.
*Touch Screen: Same specifications as top screen, but with a transparent analog touch screen.
*Backlight brightness can be changed, but it cannot be turned off. It has five settings, from dimmest to brightest.
*Battery: 3 to 14 hours of play on a three-hour charge; power-saving sleep mode; AC adapter. Battery life depends on the brightness setting.
*RAM: 16 MB
*Cameras: Two 0.3 megapixel digital cameras
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The '''Nintendo DSi''' is the second redesign of the [[Nintendo DS]], after the [[Nintendo DS Lite|DS Lite]]. The system was released in Japan on November 1, 2008 in the colors matte black and white. It was released in Australia on April 2, 2009, in Europe on April 3, 2009, and in the United States on April 5, 2009. Initially, the white was replaced with blue in the Americas, however currently the white as well as pink are available. An upgraded version, the [[Nintendo DSi XL]], was announced on October 29, 2009.

==Changes from Nintendo DS Lite==
* 12% thinner than DS Lite
* Screens are 3.25 inches, an increase of .25 from DS Lite
* Two 0.3-megapixel camera inside and on the back of the system with a maximum resolution of 640x480
* Doubled main CPU clock rate (133 MHz in comparison to 67 MHz of the previous systems)
* Four times as much RAM (16 MB in comparison to 4 MB of the previous systems)
* [[Game Boy Advance]] slot has been removed
* SD card slot added to transfer photos and music between DSi, Wii, and PC
* Music playback for AAC music files
* Record sounds with the microphone
* Enhanced speakers and audio
* Nintendo DSi Shop from which DSi applications can be bought using Nintendo Points
* Free-to-download Opera Internet browser available at launch
* Power button relocated to below D-Pad
* Stylus relocated to below SD card slot
* New user interface similar to that of Wii
* Integrated Photo Channel and music playback
* Applications from the Nintendo DSi Shop are region-locked (as with previous models, this does not apply to games stored on a DS Game Card)

==Game Boy Advance incompatibility==
The biggest change, perhaps, between the previous models and the DSi is the removal of the GBA port. This causes the system to be unable to play the [[Generation III]] games as well as other [[Game Boy Advance]] games. Due to the [[Generation IV]] games' use of [[dual-slot mode]] to capture Pokémon of previous generations, and [[Pal Park]] for migration of Pokémon from [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Pokémon Ruby, Sapphire]], [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], and {{v2|Emerald}}, this also affects them.

==Pokémon games==
All releases listed are the year in which the Japanese version was released.
{{consolegames}}
|- style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| [[Pokémon Dash]]
| Racing game
| 2004
|- style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Puzzle game
| 2005
|- style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team and Blue Rescue Team|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team]]
| Dungeon crawler
| 2005
|- style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| {{ga|Pokémon Ranger}}
| Action RPG
| 2006
|- style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}
| Main series RPG
| 2006
|- style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time]]
| Dungeon crawler
| 2007
|- style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time and Explorers of Darkness|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness]]
| Dungeon crawler
| 2007
|- style="background:#FFFFFF;"
| [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]
| Action RPG
| 2008
|- style="background:#FFFFFF;"
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| Main series RPG
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| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky]]
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| Main series RPG
| 2009
|- style="background:#FFFFFF;"
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| Action RPG
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===Nintendo 3DS Pokémon games===



Although designed for the [[Nintendo 3DS]], these games are also compatible with the DSi system.
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==Gallery==
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File:DSi-White-closed.jpg|Top view of DSi closed
File:DSi-Black-open.jpg|Black DSi opened
File:DSi_SD_slot.jpg|SD slot on the DSi
File:DSi-fold.png|DSi partially folded
File:DSi-Blue-box.jpg|Blue DSi box
File:DSi-open.jpg|DSi running the Sound Channel
</gallery>

==Pokémon specials==
[[File:BW DSi.jpg|thumb|right|Both of the DSi bundles]]
A special DSi bundle featuring {{game|Black and White|s}} was announced by [[The Pokémon Company]]. The bundle includes a copy of either Pokémon Black or Pokémon White as well as a special DSi with {{p|Reshiram}} and {{p|Zekrom}} on it. The DSi will be colored black or white, depending on which Pokémon game is chosen. It was released in Japan on November 20, 2010. A similar bundle has also been announced for Europe for release on March 4, 2011. The bundle will also be availiable in America in limited edition starting March 6, 2011.
{{-}}

==See also==
{{bulbanews|Nintendo announces worldwide DSi release dates}}
*[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/series/dsi/index.html DSi on Nintendo's official site] (Japanese)

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