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Nobody777: /* Meloetta the Kami Trio's Master */

Don't you think this is overdoing it a bit? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 17:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This reads a bit more like fanfiction/fan terminology than anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 17:50, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I figured it needed to have a name. After all, there is a definite relationship between the birds and Lugia, the beasts and Ho-oh, and the Regis and Regigigas.

Think it should just be a subpage of [[Legendary trio]]? [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 20:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Forget a subpage, just merge it into the main trio article as a section. That article is short anyway. --WikidSmaht 09:09, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

So, uh, when's something going to be done about this silly article? -[[User:Happy Mask Man|Happy Mask Man]] 01:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't Arceus the master of Trio masters?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 16:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:All we know is it's the master of the lake trio. Ho-Oh, Lugia, and Regigigas... well, they actually seem to be overlords of sky, sea, and land. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

i thought Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza were the overlords of the land, sea, and sky. I kind of pictured Ho-Oh and Lugia as guardians. and i'm not even sure what to think of Regigigas as of yet. [[User:InuMimi|InuMimi]] 12:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Remember that while Kyogre expanded the seas, Groudon expanded the continents, and Rayquaza brought neutral ground (and not ground as in Groudon, but you get what I mean) with the sky, they are very much beings of these domains, and have never been shown to watch over the effects of the domains they represent. Rayquaza may keep the balance between Kyogre and Groudon, but it seems to simply be a leader of the Sky World, rather than its Guardian. The Hebrew mythological/legendary/Biblical creatures known as Behemoth, Leviathan, and Ziz are seen as the Great Beasts of the Earth, Sea, and Sky (respectively), but not as the Guardians of these domains. They simply are the Greatest of the inhabitants of these domains. I'm not saying that Pokémon has to adhere to the stories that its Legendaries are based on, but they do provide a hint. Now, granted, Kyogre and Groudon's information in the version they do not appear in is important in that is states that Kyogre brought the relief of rain to those caught in drought, and Groudon brought and end to the monsoon-like rains that tormented various regions. But these are born from aspects of their nature - the ability to expand the seas or earth with Drizzle and Drought respectively. This would seem to state that Kyogre is actually the guardian of the Earth - as it brought balance back to regions suffering drought, the negative aspects of Groudon - and that Groudon is the guardian of the Seas, for precisely the equal and opposite reasons. Of course, they are not the guardians of each others' domains, though they do keep each other in check somewhat, when they're not sleeping, that is. And when they are both awake - well it seemed that they actually didn't want to fight each other in the games at least, and that it was the Orbs that drove them out of control. The citizens of Sootopolis in Emerald state that the two look like they actually don't want to be fighting each other, as if they are being forced to by the Red and Blue Orbs (which may or may not be man-made). And Rayquaza has been seen to keep them in check when this does happen (though somehow Lance and Ash and co. were able to stop them without Rayquaza in the anime). But even Rayquaza has been seen as very defensive of its area - in Movie 7 it attacked Deoxys on sight simply because Deoxys entered it's domain. That's more like an attack dog than a guardian trying to keep the balance of the skies.

Lugia has shown multiple times that if it existed in the sky, it would cause catastrophic events that could effect the entire world, but by maintaining its powers beneath the sea it is able to keep the balance of the world's water, and therefore the source of life (as seen in a traditional Buddhist sense, as well as in, say, Movies 1, 2, 4, 5, and 9). Ho-oh has been seen as the maker of Rainbows and the being that ends the storms that could cause pain and suffering to the world, so it is the guardian of the Sky World. Ironically, the Legendary Birds and their actions affect the sea and are governed by Lugia, while the Legendary beasts are governed by Ho-oh.

The Regi trio seem to have been made by Man, the class of beings often associated with the Earth, as bone and muscle and flesh are very Earthy substances. But Regigigas has been known as the being that pulled the Continents together by towing them with ropes, and it is also seen in Movie 11 as providing its phenomenal strength and its mastery over the great beasts that walk the Earth (here being Mammoswine) to prevent catastrophes such as that of the Glacidia glacier moving and causing much devastation across the Earth. Regigigas is perhaps the most Deus ex Machina a Pokémon movie character could get (though Kyogre in Movie 9 comes close), as he basically solves the final crisis of the movie, when Ash and co. couldn't. Regigigas' role of herding Megafauna is very Earth-based as well - see the Ground egg group, and it's role with Mammals (or HSOWA). Mammals almost define Earth and its denizens, though they certainly are not the only ones; but their association with humans and agriculture and also with the ancient Megafauna that dominated this world in the early Cenozoic are definitely indications that Regigigas is like a human of the ancient world, and how humans see themselves as the Stewards of Earth (or at least should...).

So my point here is that while Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent the elemental energies that empower the three domains of Earth, Sea, and Sky, respectively, it is Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh (again respectively) that are the stewards of these domains. Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza represent a trio (though a statistically imbalanced trio as Rayquaza is stronger than the other two), but one without a Trio Master because they keep each other in-balance ability-wise (and if Kyogre has some possible connection with "the Beast of the Sea", than it may be that the Trio Masters each keep the Weather Trio member in their domain balanced as well, though that's getting more into speculation). Regigigas, Lugia, and Ho-oh are Trio Masters because of their Pokédex and series lore about their roles, which connect them with both the Trios they control and their domains of Land, Sea, and Sky. The association with Lugia and the Moon and Ho-oh and the Sun - that's another story that has absolutely no basis save the opening screens of Silver and Gold versions.

Arceus has yet to have been shown as the Master of Trio Masters, as has he yet to have been shown as the Master of the Dragon Trio (though this will probably be revealed next summer with Movie 12). So until then, Arceus remains as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio, only. But having created the entire world and its planes, I would assume he could be considered the master of the Weather Trio, the Dragon Trio, as well as relegating the Beast Trio, Bird Trio, and Regi Trio to Ho-oh, Lugia, and Regigigas. That, however, is speculation for now. Thank you for your time. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

Isn't he the trio master of the dragons as well.We know for sure he created Dialga and Palkia (and he probably created Giratina to start the reverse world but that is just speculation) which is like how Ho-oh created the Beasts and Ho-oh is the beast master so Arceus should be noted as the Dragon Trio Master or as Master of Dialga and Palkia.
[[User:Sailor Earth|Sailor Earth]] 16:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

True, but if he's only the master of Dialga and Palkia, then he's not a Trio Master, just a Duo Master, so to speak.

:Please add your sig with the four tildes after you comment. Arceus is almost certainly the Trio Master of the Dragon Trio as well; however, his relationship with Giratina is still not yet confirmed, while it's been established that he either created Dialga and Palkia or else they are warring aspects of himself (sorry for using the masculine noun-forms). Until Movie 12 comes out, we probably won't have an answer to that, so for now, Arceus remains only as the Trio Master of the Lake Trio. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== lake trio master ==

in the [[Pokémon Pearl]] [[PokéDex]] data itt says the followinng : ''It is thought that [[Uxie]],[[Mesprit]] and [[Azelf]] all came from the same egg.'' Is it the egg that [[Arceus]] came from or another [[legendary Pokémon]] ?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
: Who knows, It might've been an egg fromm mew? --[[User:Force Fire|Force]] [[User talk:Force Fire|Fire]] 13:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

== Ah Ah Ah Ah... ==

What about deleting this article? Come on, this is just random observation with fanwanked explanation. We don't need article about this! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:A little late, but this should merged into the legendary trio article. Anyone oppose? [[User:DanPMK|MK]] 03:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
::Naw, it's a good article. It could be fleshed out a bit more, and after Movie 12, it will probably be bigger with the Dragon Trio added. I say keep it for now. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree with Maxim here. The article is inconsistent and attempts to reveal patterns that don’t exist. Lugia definitely isn’t the master of the birds in the games, for example, and Ho‐oh is not the master of the beasts in the anime (AFAIK; bear in mind that I haven’t watched the show in years). The fact that we ''repeat'' Rayquaza really shows that this is just shoehorning. [[Legendary trio]]s this is not. [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 22:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Lake Trio Giratina==
I'm starting to think that the lake trio is led by Giratina. After all, they did ''kinda'' summon him and lead the player to him ''and'' he appears in the fourth lake of Sinnoh. This is purely speculation but so are the others, except the Golems.[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah good points, I think you could be right yknow. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 20:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::Possibly, however, it clearly states that Arceus created the Lake Trio himself. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 21:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

==Isn't Arceus the master of two trios?==
I'm pretty sure he's the master of the Dragon trio too. [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]
:As {{U|Unown Lord}} said, "''It is one thing to claim that Dialga, Palkia and Giratina constitute a trio, but going as far as suggesting that Arceus created Giratina is simply unfounded and will be avoided until proven in-game.''"--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 22:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::As I've said numerous times throughout this talk page, we'll get our answer most likely in Movie 12. Wait until then. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

:::In Platinum, it said that Giratina was the member that "no one talked about." You can't create two members of a trio without creating the third, especially when the third is basically a parallel universe! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 13:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== No proof for Giratina...? ==

...I recall in Pokemon Platinum, at the Spear Pillar, Cynthia states that Giratina was created alongside Dialga and Palkia, though never talked about...- ''unsigned comment from {{u|M190049}} ([[User talk:M190049|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/M190049|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It isn't a trio master.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 21:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::...I didn't say it is. In the text, it says "According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia. Whether Arceus created Giratina or not is unknown."
::...It kind of confirms this in Platinum.
:: [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:::With the facts, it seems Arceus DID in fact create Giratina. It does kinda confirm it in Pt...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Okay than. I'll remove the sentence. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
::::M'kay, I removed it and replaced it with a new one. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== I think that this chart would be better ==

I'm just not sure wether or not you'll agree.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! Trio
! Master
! Relation
|-
| {{red link|File:Legendary_birds.jpg}} [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
|-
| [[File:Neo3_beasts.jpg|100px]] [[Legendary Beasts]]
| align="center" | [[Image:250.png]] {{p|Ho-Oh}}
| After the three [[legendary beasts]] perished in the fire at the [[Brass Tower]], Ho-Oh revived them.
|-
| {{red link|File:GenIII_Battle.jpg}} [[Weather Trio]]
| align="center" | [[Image:384.png]] {{p|Rayquaza}}
| Rayquaza may internally be the master of the [[weather trio]], primarily because it had quelled the fighting between the other members of its trio in {{game|Emerald}}.
|-
| [[File:Regis.png|100px]] [[Legendary Golems]]
| align="center" | [[Image:486.png]] {{p|Regigigas}}
| Regigigas will awaken on bringing the three [[legendary golems]] to [[Snowpoint Temple]]. Regigigas' {{game|Platinum}} Pokédex entry also claims that it built statues made of {{p|Regirock|rocks}}, {{p|Regice|ice}}, and {{p|Registeel|magma}}.
|-
| [[File:Dialga-Palkia-Giratina.jpg|100px]] [[Dragon Trio]]
| align="center" rowspan="2" | [[Image:493.png]] {{p|Arceus}}
| According to legend, Arceus created Dialga and Palkia, and it's stated in {{game|Platinum}} that Giratina was created alongside them, thus completing the [[dragon trio]]. All four legendary Pokémon will battle in the 12th Movie, ''[[Arceus: To a Conquering Spacetime]]''.
|-
| {{red link|File:MespritAzelfUxie.jpg}} [[Lake Trio]]
| Arceus is also said to have created the [[lake trio]] whilst creating the universe, making Arceus the only trio master that is related to two legendary trios rather than just one.

|}
This chart is smaller and less image heavy, and it's a little more convenient if your looking for the master of a certain trio. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 20:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:The fact that the images clash with each other turns me off on the idea. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::What do you mean by ''clash together''? [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 13:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::They don't look good together. Also, it is hard to see which trio is which; they all just look like blurs of color at that resolution. With that said, the point of an article is to read it and not just look at the pictures, so how about we do just that. If one reads the column title it shouldn't be a problem. Not to mention the master is the first in the row, and therefore the one the eye should first travel to. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
::::They look fine to me. {{tt|I can see the images just fine.|and if you can't, then that's what the names are for}}And do you ''realy'' think that ''every'' pokémon in ''every'' trio should be shown? {{tt|Isn't this article about the ''masters?''|Hence the name?}} [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 23:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::Uh...yeah? That's what that column is for. The images are all of varying quality too. The Bird Trio and Lake Trio are screenshots and the others are official art. The The Regi art is the worst of them all: anime image on a white background. If we use this, just the their menu sprites in there.
{| border=1 width=500px align="center" style="background: #fff; border:1px solid #000; border-collapse:collapse;" cellpadding="3px"
|- style="background: #C0C0FF;"
! Trio
! Master
! Relation
|-
| [[File:144MS.png]][[File:145MS.png]][[File:146MS.png]] [[Legendary Birds]]
| align="center" | [[Image:249.png]] {{p|Lugia}}
| Lugia rises to quell the fighting of the [[legendary birds]] in ''[[The Power of One]]'', and is the only one who is able to do so.
|-
|}
:::::And if you do this, make sure all three sprites are on the same row...not like how I have it there with Moltres on it's own line. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 11:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::You know, Sketch, you might have an idea there. The Master is larger than the pokémon in the trio, which makes it the first thing you see, and the trio pokémon are {{tt|small and almost unnoticeable|which is a good thing, after all this article is about the masters}}. One thing's for sure, it's better than mine. [[wp:Dolphin|Dolphins]][[User:Dolphin2|_are]][[Special:Contributions|_awesome]] (and [[Vulpix (Pokémon)|Vulpix]] are too)! 21:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

== What. ==

A quote from the Trivia:
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"Lugia is the only trio master who did not debut in the same generation as its trio."''

What about Regigigas? It's from Gen. IV and its trio is Gen. III. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 01:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Has been removed. You know, you are allowed to take out this stuff yourself. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:38, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Ehh...Every edit I make someone reverts and tells me not to do it again, I decided to take the safer route here. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 09:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus the double master ==

Isn't Arceus really the master of all the trios? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 17:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, Arceus is the master of two trios but he can boss all the other masters about. [[User:Lunick v sonela|Lunick v sonela]] 17:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia ==

Was Lugia's relation to the other three birds ever mentioned in any of the games? Or is it just anime exclusive? I don't remember there being any mention of it in the original GSC games, but is there anything about it in the remakes? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 17:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
:It's in Mystery Dungeon R/B. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, i see. I haven't played any of those Mystery Dungeon games. But aren't they in an entirely different world then the main games and anime, though? [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 21:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== Real History ==

I'm from Portugal and when they distributed Arceus for Diamond, Pearl and Platinum versions they gave me a booklet telling the history. I quote:

''Arceus is regarded as the Pokémon God, the creator of the Pokémon universe''.

''This is a legendary Pokémon, Alpha species and normal type. ''Though, if it have some elemental plates it can be transformed in one of 17 types of Pokémon.'' This is its powerful multi-type ability.''

''The story goes that Arceus was born from an egg in chaos even before the outbreak of the cosmos.''

''Arceus began creating Pokémon to put everything in place. The first thing he did was to create Mew to take account of the universe, this one and Arceus are the Pokémon that accompanied the formation process of the cosmos.''

''Then he had to create Shaymin so that nature arise and to maintain balance. Arceus created Dialga, which in turn gave rise to time, and Palkia, which led to the space. Giratina created to control the death and, if necessary, act as mediator between Dialga and Palkia.''

''After that, it created Jirachi that put the stars on firmament. Once created light, thanks to Jirachi, immediatly Darkrai could be seen in Arceus' shadow. Arceus thought to give a mystic touch to the universe and created Cresselia, the first Pokémon with feelings. This created the moon and, thanks to the feelings, wanted some help and company, so it created the legendary trio formed by Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf and later the Clefairy. This legendary trio was later charged with providing living beings with feelings, like emotion, knowledge and will, basic features that represent each.
'''Welcome to the Pokémon Universe.'''''

That means Arceus created Mew, Shaymin, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Jirachi and Cresselia. Cresselia created Clefairy, Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf. Darkrai was created by Arceus' shadow.

For people who knows portuguese:

''Arceus é considerado como o Pokémon Deus, criador do universo Pokémon.''

''Trata-se de um Pokémon lendário, da especie Alpha e de tipo Normal. No entanto, se possuir algumas das elemental plates pode transformar-se num dos 17 tipos de Pokémon. esta é a sua poderosa capacidade multi-tipo.''

''Reza a história de que Arceus nasceu de um ovo imerso no caos ainda antes de eclodir o cosmos.''

''Arceus começou a criar Pokémon para colocar tudo no seu lugar. A primeira coisa que fez foi criar Mew para que tomassse conta do universo, pelo que este último e Arceus são os Pokémon que acompanharam o processo de formação do cosmos.''

''Depois teve de criar Shaymin para que a natureza surgisse e para manter o equilibrio. Arceus criou Dialga, que por sua vez deu origem ao tempo, e Palkia, que deu origem ao espaço. Criou Giratina para que controlasse a morte e, se necessário, agisse como mediador entre Dialga e Palkia.''

''Posteriormente criou Jirachi que colocou as estrelas no firmamento. Uma vez criada a luz, graças a Jirachi, imediatamente foi possível ver Darkrai na sombra de Arceus. Arceus pensou dar ao universo um toque místico pelo que criou Cresselia, o primeiro Pokémon com sentimentos. Este criou a lua e, graças aos seu sentimentos, desejou ter ajuda e companhia, pelo que criou o trio lendário formado por Uxie, Mesprit e Azelf e posteriormente os Clefairy, este trio lendário ficou encarregue de mais tarde dotar os seres vivos de sentimentos, como a emoção, a sabedoria e a vontade, cracterísticas básicas que representam cada um dele.''
'''''Bem-vindo ao universo Pokémon.''''' {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
:Sounds like fanfiction.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's not fanfiction because it's real. When I read it for the first time I was confused too, but... it also says how to receive Arceus and it's caracteristics:

Pokédex nr. 493
Specie: Alpha
Type: Normal
Ability: Multi-Type
High: 3,2 m
Weight: 320,0 kg
Level: 100
Experience points: 1.250.000
Object: Baya Magua (Magua Berry) {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}
::Could you possibly show us a scan or pics of this pamphlet?
::Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::I'm calling unofficial until GameFreak of Japan says something like this. "Giratina was created to control death"? If I'm nto mistaken it was confirmed to be antimatter some time ago. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 20:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

How can I Ulpoad pictures to Bulbapedia?

I knew about the control of antimatter but, I'm good in Particule Phisics, if Giratina controls Antimatter it must be made of antimatter and he couldn't come to our world or we to its.

--Sakas 18:26, 13 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok forget it.

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:I don't think you understand the nature of our request to see scans/pics. We want to see the part that proves that it is officially endorsed by Nintendo.
:Please sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 02:04, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok! These pics were taken with my DSi and, I don't know why, only three pics are jpeg, others are the symbol of Nintendo, Cover of the booklet and back cover. Thoses pics was, like the others, transfered for facebook and the format is png

I will try to convert them

Sakas 19:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

Ok I get it
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:I'm still doubtful of it. It's stated ''in the games'' that the lake guardians were made by Arceus, along with Dialga and Palkia (and Giratina, too, as Cynthia reveals). Nintendo knows their legends. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

So why did they created that story? It is real! Trust me! I know it seems weird but that's what is written there. I understand your position. You can ask Nintendo. And... where is stated ''in the games'' that they are a creation of Arceus?
Sakas 17:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)SakasFixe

well that means that Crescelia is a the trio master of the pixie trio, denouncing Arceus as their trio masters, that also means that the trio hatched from the same crescelia egg.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Probably

the only possible explanation is that nintendo wanted to release this as a surprise goodie to stir things up along with the figures, so they cancelled it in all over world but forgot potugal, so its a company mistake, although that thing revealed alot such as creation of darkrai, one can see the two having some slight resemblance only by the shape of the head (somewhat), and thus arceus and darkrai are somewhat of a duo, somewhat, and some what of a trio if a crescelia is considered, and if so this is the first time that a trio master is part of a trio, but i'm still sceptical, didnt anybody else get such a booklet in portugal??? {{unsigned|Nobody777}}

Yeah You're right! Why did Darkrai born in Arceus' shadow? Maybe Arceus is too powerful that even his shadow is able do create a Pokémon {{unsigned|SakasFixe}}

== Umm... C*CK PUNCH! ==

But seriously. Read this. There could be a subpage about Legendary Quads. Just for the Muskeeter group.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 10:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

== Landros, master of the Raijin trio? ==

Has a higher base stat total, is encountered in a different way (and level), requires both the other members to be captured to be encountered... It is fairly different from the other 2, and it screams trio master for me. We need to get more information, but keep it in mind. [[User:Eriorguez|Eriorguez]] 17:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|444]][[User:444Zekrom|Z]][[Zekrom|ekrom]] 09:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== My thoughts on Keldeo ==

I think that Keldeo should be the leader of the Musketeer group since it is an event Pokémon and requires the other three to make it learn the Sacred Sword (I think) move. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 11:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:The problem is, it's not the leader. In fact, it's the opposite: Keldeo is the youngest of the group and was adopted by the other three. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
::You mean {{m|Sword of Mystery}}, but the Musketeers are definitely different than the other groups. --[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 23:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I was really confused. —[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 04:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree with Zekasaur. Here is my quote from the Musketeer's page: "If, as we have noted, Keldeo is not truly part of the trio, and it is (semi) far apart from the others in the Pokedex, wouldn't Keldeo be qualified for Trio Master? This would also save us from the trio/musketeers/quartet dilemma." So, how about it? [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 18:37, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

Seems to me it's probably meant to be the trio master, consider: It's the "Boundary pokemon," probably meaning the one who maintains balance between Reshiram and Zekrom and apparently the game creators made it the one that could use {{m|Cold Flare}} and {{m|Freeze Bolt}} (though apparently not officially), moves containing both types of the other two, they can't. Also it has higher HP. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 20:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:It's too early to say. We'll have to wait for the third game or more info to come out first [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:49, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
May I point out that Kyurem's base stat total is lesser than that of zekrom and reshiram, so there might be a new one to fill that void as it would be hard for it to control those other two. Just a thought, mind you. We'll all find out eventually. [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 00:02, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Whenever I join in a conversation, it dies. Awww... [[User:Luxraychu|Luxraychu]] 03:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

== Lake Trio ==
Is it possible Cresselia is the master of the Lake Trio? As stated above, in the Real History section, Cresselia did (possibly) create the trio, and as quoted from Cresselia's page, "Cresselia's three main colors (pink, yellow and blue) are the same as the main colors of the Lake guardians." It seems they also used the same shades of the above colors. In addition, they are all Psychic type. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 22:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hello? I would like an answer. [[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 04:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
::Even if it is, there is not enough evidence that Cresselia is the Lake Trio's master. :/ --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

==Legendary Golems==
Should it say some where that Regirock, Regice, Registeel, and Regigigas are all weak to fighting? Or does it already say that somewhere? ([[User:Plokool|Plokool]] 02:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC))

== Kyurem vs Cobalion ==

Since this new movie is featuring Kyurem and the musketeer Pokemon, is it possible that Kyurem is their master? Or is it to early to tell? Once we see the movie, if it turns out my theory is right, I think it's worth adding, but I suppose time will tell. [[User:Frenchhorn|Frenchhorn]] 03:57, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

:Besides the movie, what does Kyurem have in common with the musketeers? The types don't coincide ({{t|Flying}} for the [[Legendary birds]]), there is no historical connection ({{p|Ho-Oh}} bringing back the [[Legendary beasts]] after their death, Landorus stopping Thundurus and Tornadus, Arceus creating the creation trio and the lake guardian trio), there is no name similarity to make them slot straight in (Regi- Rock, Steel, Ice, Gigas), and there is no ability connection (Rayquaza's Air Lock to neutralise Kyogre and Groudon). There is no point speculating until Kyurem and Keldeo are given a proper spotlight in an upcoming game. '''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|Toon Ganondorf ]] [[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|(t]] [[Special:Contributions/Toon Ganondorf|c)]]''' 22:27, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== duo+master=/=trio ==

Doesn't "trio" imply three equal parts?
For example I find it silly that it's the "weather trio" when 2 of them cause weather, and the stronger one neutralizes it (not to mention the dozen other ways Rayquaza is superior to them, including a more intelligent guardian-like role, instead of wreaking havoc). A weather-duo with an anti-weather-guardian would be the right direction. Same for the cloud demons. And the musketeers; if anything Cobalion is at least part of the trio, Keldeo the adoptee is the one whos place in it is in the air for now. But even then, Cobalion being their master, based on its vague role in the family, with nothing else that would make it stick out in any way (unlike Keldeo) is too much. They don't have a master, just a student. Also the word master feels so misleading (it's not like they own or control each other), but.. there is no fitting word for meaningless obvious connections between legendaries that I know of.

I also want to note that the pokemon fanbase is exaggerating the creation myths/legends part of legendary pokemon when it comes to this kind of speculation (which may be what GF were aiming for though XD). The only things that really presents these creatures as supernatural beings with godlike powers, are their myths. The facts are simply that pokemon exist, who are stronger than usual and have some neat abilities (affecting the weather, manipulating dimensions a bit). They don't even show any sign of near human-like intelligence, actually they can happen to get caught into pokeballs by strong trainers and battle for them like usual (unless one considered anime canon, but its kind of hard to take serious when they disregard lots of things from the games and make up just as much own crap as they go along). Think of it that way; in the old times, some people witnessed a legendary like Groudon or Arceus, saw water evaporating wherever it went/saw it call a bunch of Unowns to make an egg or two fall out of the sky, and as they passed the info on, it turned into myth starring Groudon as the landmass god or Arceus as the creator of the universe. Same for the rest. They didn't create anything, they're just very rare/gone/hidden and best at manipulating specific things. Thanks for anyone who actually reads this, just had to vent it somewhere already Dx --[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 15:14, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
:In regards to your opening sentence, the word "trio" just means "group of three", and in no way implies equality within the group. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:02, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:: Well alright, but what makes the difference between the Regis being a trio with master instead of being a quartet, if not that the three share more similarities between each other than with Regigigas? If the Regis aren't a quartet then Groudon and Kyogre are a duo with a master/guardian (as they have so many similarities while Rayquaza sticks out as superior on multiple levels, even design-wise), same for the Kami. Also at the moment we have no idea what will become of Kyurem and how it really relates to the other 2, but in the current state they're not a trio by that logic (even if Kyurem gets buffed up, itd be a Rayquaza situation in the end).--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 11:03, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Rayquaza doesn't really stick out from Groudon and Kyogre to me. They all have something to do with weather (neutralizing weather still involves weather), have similar markings, their movesets are even slightly similar. I can see how the Regis and Regigigas could be a quartet, except that Regigigas came out in a different generation. I feel like that sets it farther apart from the other Regis than Rayquaza is from Groudon and Kyogre. Plus, I find that the reference to Regigigas creating the Regi trio also sets it apart. If it created them, shouldn't it be their master and not part of their group? Like Ho-oh and the Legendary Beasts. These are just my opinions, though. [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|Talian]] 11:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
::::It could have caused Sandstorm or Hail but instead it neutralizes weather, that is clearly superior. It doesnt wreak havoc, it steps in to calm the idiots down. It has 3 different colors of markings (red, black AND yellow) instead of just 1 (red or black). It has 2 types instead of 1. It has superior stats.... either everything ends up being part of a single octagesimaltet or its grouped by sharing the same amount of similarities. lol.--[[User:Saiph charon|Saiph charon]] 15:26, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

== Kyurem ==

Well B2W2 have been out for a while and I think it's safe to say {{p|Kyurem}} is the Tao Trio master.[[User:Micamike45|Micamike45]] ([[User talk:Micamike45|talk]]) 04:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
:Do you have any reason why it would be the master? [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 06:46, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
::Well, {{p|Kyurem}} seems to be the corpse of the original dragon. Kyurem can be combined with {{p|Zekrom}} to form Black Kyurem or with {{p|Reshiram}} to form White Kyurem with the DNA Splicers, which makes Kyrem seem dominant over the other two. It represents a boundary of some sort. It also wants to reunite with Zekrom and Reshiram. [[User:Micamike45|Micamike45]] ([[User talk:Micamike45|talk]]) 19:08, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
:::I disagree, it didn't display that it could have "dominated" them on its own. It was only with Team Plasma's intervention that it was able to, as otherwise it would not have had the DNA Splicers necessary for that to occur, nor the power to track down Reshiram/Zekrom. Black Kyurem and White Kyurem are more "proof" of Ghetsis (and later the player character) ruling over Reshiram/Zekrom than Kyurem doing so. Personally, I've never really liked the concept of "trio masters". People seem too eager to force things into these roles when they may or may not be fitting. But this is getting off-topic from my original comment. >.> Sorry for the rambling. [[User:RiverShock|RiverShock]] ([[User talk:RiverShock|talk]]) 02:23, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
::::The DNA Splicers are originally owned by Drayden not made by Team Plasma, so Black/White Kyurem could have been formed without Team Plasma's existence. I don't remember exactly how Drayden said he aquired them but I think he said they are passed down by his family which leaves their origin in question.[[User:Micamike45|Micamike45]] ([[User talk:Micamike45|talk]]) 23:33, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::You missed the point. If Team Plasma hadn't stolen them, Kyurem would have never fused with Reshiram or Zekrom, or even been able to. Drayden had no reason or desire to use them, and I'm not even sure he knew what their use was. [[User:RiverShock|RiverShock]] ([[User talk:RiverShock|talk]]) 15:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
::::::I realize that, I'm just saying it's possible Kyurem could have fused with Reshiram/Zekrom in the past without Plasma's intervention since the DNA Splicers existed before Team Plasma. I will adimit though, that the DNA Splicers are probably human-made and not created by Kyurem or anything.[[User:Micamike45|Micamike45]] ([[User talk:Micamike45|talk]]) 02:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

== Meloetta the Kami Trio's Master ==

We've placed Landorus as the Kami Trio's in house Trio master...but wouldn't Meloetta also fit the bill since it controlled their transformation in the anime, and got them back under control after they went berserk.

I know its just in the anime, but we consider Lugia the bird trio's master and that was in a movie.

'''Evidence:''' Meloetta, like the Kami trio, also has a form change.

Meloetta is needed, at least in the anime, to help the Trio achieve their Therian Forme.

When all three went berserk, it was Meloetta who calmed them, and then changed them back to their Incarnate forme.

The evidence of Meloetta being the true Trio master is piling up. [[User:Yamitora1|Yamitora1]] ([[User talk:Yamitora1|talk]]) 22:25, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

But the game doesn't have enough evidence to support that. Plus, they dont share similarities in origin. However, If you look at the base stats, Meloetta does have a base stat equivalent to landorus. However, I dont think there are very concrete evidence that support this. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]]) 03:45, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Talk:List of unused Pokémon and character designs/Archive 1

2011-02-17T17:58:49Z

Nobody777:

This page needs to be renamed, to something like "Unused Artwork" or "Unused Concept Art", due to the fact that somethings are not Pokémon. Also, am I the only one who sees a massive relation between {{p|Raichu}} and Honouguma, {{p|Cyndaquil}}? Nah it looks to me to be more of a possible Raichu evolution. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 19:32, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

> Why would Raichu evolve into a Pokemon without "chu" in it's name, who according to it's own name is a Fire-type?

They were trying something different maybe? It just seems to bear an amazing resemblance. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]

Did you guys think it was a pre-version of Teddiursa, but maybe scrapped when it was too related to Raichu. It is a bear, and a bear pokemon was released in Johto.
[[User:Firemaker|Firemaker]]

So, Bulbapedia has an article about Unreleased Pokémon, huh? Now all we need is an article on ''Fake'' Pokémon. - [[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]]

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== Validity issues ==

I've always found those sketches rather dubious now that I think about it. Where did they originally come from? Is there any proof at all that they are original concept art? - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 22:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

: Excellent question. However, I do know I remember seeing them way back then on PokéFor (note the fine print on the images) around the release of G/S. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 02:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:The ones that were obviously scanned look like Sugimori's style, especially the trainers. So, at the very least, "Unnamed Mammal" and "Unnamed Turtle" are real. One can even see the turtle with Tyranitar in the Male Trainer art. I don't know what those other rough sketches are, though. They aren't Sugimori. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

== Commentary issues ==

'''Unnamed mammal'''

''The Unnamed mammal has been said to resemble Hitmontop or Meowth''
:Really? I definately see some {{p|Wigglytuff}} in there! [[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 17:20, 26 November 2005 (CST)
::This is gonna sound weird, but something about the design reminds me of {{p|Snubbull}}. It's the blue collar on a pink creature thing, I think. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 14:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Kurusu'''

''This creature resembles a seal, but doesn't seem to have much relation to any Pokémon as of yet''
: [[Image:Alpha kurusu.png]][[Image:086Seel.png|200px]]
: --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

'''Unnamed turtle'''

''A turtle Pokémon that was never released. It's possible it was later heavily reworked into Torkoal.''
:Am I the only one who sees Swampert's head in there? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 14:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

What website are those pictures from?--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--

== Other names and additional info ==

Back when Gold and Silver were about to come out, i remember there was an article in Gamepro magazine about the Japanese Gold and Silver that had a LOOONG list of beta Japanese names for the new pokemon, and the same article also had a few temporary English names. The ones I remember: Artibull instead of Smeargle and Xoqo instead of Xatu. Only problem is, that article is long gone. Can anyone help out?
--[[User: Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]--

Check out this list...

*152 Chikorita Chicolita
*153 Bayleef Beifiru
*154 Meganium Meganiumi
*155 Cyndaquil Hinoarashi
*156 Quilava Magumarashi
*157 Typhlosion Bakufun
*158 Totodile Waninoko
*159 Croconaw Arigeitsu
*160 Feraligatr Odairu
*161 Sentret Otachi
*162 Furret Ootachi
*163 Hoothoot Hoho
*164 Noctowl Yorunozuku
*165 Ledyba Rediba
*166 Ledian Redeian
*167 Spinarak Itomaru
*168 Araidos Araidosu
*169 Kurobat Kuroba
*170 Chinchou Chonchi
*171 Lanturn Rantan
*172 Pichu Pichu
*173 Cleffa Pi
*174 Igglybuff Pupurin
*175 Togepi Togepi
*176 Togetic Togechikku
*177 Natee Neitei
*178 Natotem Neiteio
*179 Mareep Meripu
*180 Skiploom Mokoko
*181 Centerity Denryu
*182 Bellossom Kireihana
*183 Marill Mariru
*184 Azumarill Mariruri
*185 Sudowoodo Usokki
*186 Politoed Myorotono
*187 Hoppip Hane
*188 Flaffy Popo
*189 Jumpluff Watakko
*190 Aipom Eipamu
*191 Sunkern Himanattsu
*192 Sunflora Kimawari
*193 Dunsparce Yanyanma
*194 Ampharos Upa
*195 Quagsire Nuoh
*196 Espeon Efui
*197 Umbreon Burakki
*198 Murkrow Yamikarasu
*199 Slowking Yadoking
*200 Trillix Muuma
*201 ????? Annon
*202 Crashin Sonansu
*203 Girafarig Kirinriki
*204 Skarmory Kunugidama
*205 Forretress Fuoretosu
*206 Duglari Nokocchi
*207 Gligar Guraiga
*208 Steelix Haganeru
*209 Snubbull Buru
*210 Granbull Guranburu
*211 Wobbuffet Harisen
*212 Scizor Hassamu
*213 Octorock Tsubotsubo
*214 Heracross Herakuroso
*215 Misdreavus Nyuura
*216 Moonlite Himeguma
*217 Soloar Ringuma
*218 Slugma Magumaggu
*219 Magcargo Magukarugo
*220 Swinub Urimu
*221 Sirnub Inomu
*222 Corsola Sanigo
*223 Remoraid Teppouo
*224 Octillery Okutan
*225 Delibird Deribado
*226 Mantine Maintain
*227 Wooper Eamudo
*228 Houndour Derubiru
*229 Houndoom Heruga
*230 Kingdra Kingudora
*231 Phanpy Gomazou
*232 Donphan Donfuyan
*233 Porygon 2 Porygon 2
*234 Stantler Odoshishi
*235 Artibull Doburu
*236 Hitmontot Baruki
*237 Hitmontop Kapoera
*238 Smoochum Muchura
*239 Elekid Erekid
*240 Magby Bubii
*241 Miltank Mirutanku
*242 Blissey Hapinasu
*243 Raikou Raikou
*244 Entei Entei
*245 Suicune Suikun
*246 Larvitar Yogirasu
*247 Pupitar Sanagirasu
*248 Tyranitar Bangirasu
*249 Lugia Lugia
*250 Ho-Oh Houou
*251 Selebi Serebeii

[http://maxpages.com/ashversusgary/Gold_Silver_Pokedex Source]
--[[User:Ambipom|Ambipom]]--
:Seems as if some, like Flaaffy and Skiploom, are flipped. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Wow, I actually remember those lists from back when G/S wasn't out in English yet. Every site had their own list of names that were confirmed, then had potential names that had been registered as copyrights or whatever listed somewhere and had people try to figure out which name went to which Pokémon.

::So, of course, the reason a few of them are mixed around is because the list was made when we could see what names had been registered (domain names of each Pokémon's name usually get registered by Nintendo ahead of time, or something like that); nobody knew what a Skiploom actually was, so Flaaffy ended up with the name Skiploom in most fans' lists (I guess nobody noticed the hop-skip-jump thing.)

::There's even a few of the common misspellings of the Japanese names that showed up in a lot of magazines and stuff before G/S's English release. "Hane"/"Popo" instead of Hanekko/Popokko, for example. With those in the list, I'm actually surprised the list doesn't have "Yanyan" listed as Umbreon/Burakki's Japanese name--that was a disturbingly common slip-up that magazines used to make back then.

::I do remember some of those names, but as far as I know "Natee" and "Natotem" never actually came from any sort of official source (either stated in Nintendo Power or registered online somewhere)--I actually remember talking about how "Xatu" and "Xoqo" (the guesses for Natu and Xatu's names at the time) were good names once, and someone randomly butted in and said that they should be named "something like Naytee or Natotem" instead. So yeah, those two are definitely fan-made names, probably made by people who wanted Cheesy Cram-Two-Words-Together Names and didn't like the much-more-interesting ones like Xatu. I also don't remember "Octorock" as a name for Tsubotsubo--and it's extremely unlikely that Nintendo was ever considering it, since it's already the name of a well-known Zelda monster. [[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 07:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::The dodgy Maxpages fansites aside, here is what turned up from google searches of "Artibull" "Trillix" "Duglari" and "Xoqo":
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/archive/index.php?t-19796.html [THIS GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT]
http://www.woodrecords.com/megahangout/Pokedex_4_Gold_and_Silver [early list, including the games they're found in]
http://maxpages.com/pokemonil/Gold_and_Silver_English_Names
http://maxpages.com/pokepapparazzi/Pokemon
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbcolor/file/198308/9132 [japanese walkthru with english names pasted in - confused names in the pokedex]
http://theoparadise.tripod.com/oldnews.htm [scroll down for pokemon list]
http://guidesarchive.ign.com/guides/11154/marowak.html ["guardia"]
http://www.pokebeach.com/pokemon.shtml [has all the beta names for red blue pkmn]
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/lugia149/list.html [all correct except for xoqo and torvado]
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=001495 [forum chatter about name confusion]
http://members.fortunecity.com/putobracker/90.html [artibull and hitmontot, however its foreign]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/POKEMON_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACK ["milk berry" is the beta "milk drink" attack btw]
http://maxpages.com/tecnospokemon/NEW_GOLD_AND_SILVER_ATTACKS_2
http://pokemaniac2948.tripod.com/Attacks/ [funny guessed attack names - atom force and gang beating lol]
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p3.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p4.html
http://members.tripod.com/alyshakitty/pokedex2p5.html
All of the Kanto names mentioned on these and other websites are genuine beta names. The poster included with my first edition 2BA Master CD had about 15 out 150 pokemon with the bizarre beta names like "dragoon" and "Guardia". These names are on the Pokemon's individual pages but they should be collected together. Same with the gold and silver names, at least a paragraph explaining the confusion that occurred among the fans. Sorry if this entry is too long and rambly :) [[User:Jurgen200|Jurgen200]]

I remember something like that in a magazine too, with beta images of the pokemon w/beta names. I lost it though. I think it was in Beckett.
[[User: Firemaker|Firemaker]]

what are crashin, trillix and number 201?- ''unsigned comment from {{u|Nobody777}} ([[User talk:Nobody777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nobody777|contribs]]) ''
:Crashin (Sonansu) is {{p|Wobbuffet}}, Trillix (Muuma) is {{p|Misdreavus}}, and ????? (Annon) is {{p|Unown}}. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 13:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC))

== Is honouguma somehow related to the [[Pikachu]] and [[Marill]], much like the three birds? ==

[[Image:183Marill.png]][[Image:Alpha honouguma.png]][[Image:025Pikachu.png]] 
Am I the only one to see a connection here? - [[User:Yukushi wisdom|Yukushi wisdom]] 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... Yeah, I see one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah... [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 14:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== Unown ==

Those "unreleased" Unown don't have to be unreleased.

*They don't count as Beta Pokémon because they were revealed after the release of Gold/Silver.
*I doubt they were ever meant to exist in games. They might be just anime-made.
*The pictures of Unowns seen in third movie are just pictures of several drawings of Unown. They may be a pure fiction. That's possible that these Unowns never existed, but someone drew them like that.

This page is about Pokémon which didn't make it to the final game. Those Unowns aren't one of them. They are anime-wank and no one says they were ever meant to exist. Those pictures in the movie were just DRAWINGS made by PEOPLE, not photos of real Unown. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well the ! and ? Unown are proof that more Unown designs were being considered for the next games, so they should be added[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:35, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::They are no such thing. There's no evidence that the ! and ? Unown were planned since Gold and Silver. We just know that they were added in FRLG. Besides, this topice is like two and a half years old. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 11:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
:::well the film was released not long before Kecleon, Wailmer and Azurill were revealed, a year I think, and their designs were exactly the same as they look now, so they had possibly finalized a good number Ruby/Sapphire pokemon by then (I dont know when the pics of Treecko, Torchic and 'Latiken' were taken however, I am also unsure how long it takes them to make the films(they are usually crap so probably not long)), besides they could have just used pics of the 26 original unowns[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 21:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "2v2" Template? ==

There's a template on the top of the page, and I don't know what it is supposed to be, could someone figure that out and fix it? [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

:It's been taken care of. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 16:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for that. [[User:Theininen|Theininen]] 16:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== octorok comment ==

kirby has an ally named "chuchu" thats also zelda[[User:Whatswithalltheextraspace|Whatswithalltheextraspace]] 23:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
::Zelda's Chuchus didn't show up until LONG after Kirby's Dreamland 3. Plus, they're both gooey blob monsters that can stick to things, so it could be that the Zelda one was actually named after the Kirby one (or both were named after some other non-videogame-related thing... Japanese game/anime/etc. characters tend to have names like that pretty often.)[[User:Zdododododo|Zdododododo]] 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

The page title says unreleased Pokémon, yet there are designs of prototype player characters that definitely aren't Pokémon. I want to move the psge to something more appropriate, but what?--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 00:25, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe something like Unreleased Concept Artwork would be more accurate? Although since some of these are from magazines, saying the artwork itself is unreleased wouldn't be true...so something like Beta Concept Artwork? [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sometimes it's better to keep it simple. This is one of those times. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 07:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu.. ==

Does that really count? It's still Pikachu,it's just a little bigger(like a lot of the pre-anime designs,just look at the starters),and I'm pretty sure that came out after the games were released. Also,but offtopic,with Leaf..Should it be said she is Leaf? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 03:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Charizard.. ==

Should we include the Charizard from the same art as the Pikachu? It has a larger jaw then a regular Charizard, and is larger. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 17:05, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
:Many Pokémon designs change over the years. It's a completely different matter. It's simply early art, not really an unreleased thing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

== unnamed turtle ==

In the male trainer section, the unnamed turtle is in the picture. Does this suggest that it is early art for {{p|Squirtle}}? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

== Starters? ==

Could Kurusu and Honoguma have originally been intended to be the Water and Fire Starters to go with Happa? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 14:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

== Does anyone remember this? ==

i just remember when I was a kid i had a magazine that showed all the then 100 new Pokémon. But they we're not in their Sugimori art. And I can't remember if they had their English names. If anyone remember, would it be useful?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

if you can remember the name of the magazine and what issue and maybe post them on the talk page maybe they can be qualified as unreleased.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Torchic and blaziken beta art ==

From did that art come from???--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:I've seen that in 151chan (posted by a very trustable person). It seems to be photographed from some gallery. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

are there anymore pictures we can post or at least a reference??--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Green? It's BLUE! and other conflicts involving the Character section ==

I was reading a scanlation of Pokémon Special when I saw one of the pics that's in
this article in it!(It's the black-and-white pic of Red, Green, and Blue with thier fully-evolved starters.) I was immediatly reminded of the article and went to it, sure that the page
said that the pic was beta art.

And I was wrong, but I saw something else!

The page said that the girl in the aforementioned pic was Green.

Either Green had a gender change or the article's wrong!

Here's who's who- with the boys equated with their Anime counterparts-

Red-"Ash"

Green-"Gary"

Blue-the girl

The article needs fixing, but since this also goes into parts I don't know about-
I'm still reading Red-Green-Blue- I can't fully proofread it.

Also, I think the book under the color pic showing Red, Green, and Blue with
thier unevolved starters is Pokemon Special- at least a copy of it.
[[User:ThaPoketrix|ThePoketrix]] 22:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
:The rival's name is Blue. He's known as Blue when he's an NPC in GSC and HGSS as a Gym Leader. However, he is known as Green in Japanese. As such, the girl's name would be Green, or Blue in Japanese, as was done in the manga. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 22:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
::Some fans have a tendency to mix Japanese names with English (especially in the case of Blue/Green). But they're not right. Trust official sources, not scanslations made by fans. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Who is that? ==

Who is supposed to be riding the Latias/Blaziken Pokemon in the artwork? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 23:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some unused trainer obviously. Maybe they should have their own entry?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone else think so? [[User:Flyingtypefan|Flyingtypefan]] 06:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::This very artwork was later heavily remade by Sugimori into a scene artwork with actual Latias and Latios. There's a girl that rides that Latios on that art. This isn't really the same girl but she looks a bit similar. You know which artwork I mean, don't you? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I didn't really pay attention to art and stuff with Gen III. Can you show me the art?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 11:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::It's at [[a:File:Latias_Latios.png]]. But I don't know if it's that important to this article-- unlike some of the Pokémon or characters on this page, this character probably was never intended to appear in any game. Methinks this artwork is merely intended to be just that, artwork. It doesn't have to correspond with anything from any game. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 12:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::She's still an unreleased character with beta art.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 12:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should she be referenced to then? {{unsigned|Lovely Rose}}

== Unnamed Turtle And Shuckle? ==

Though the article states it is similar to Squirtle, could it possibly be an evolved form of Shuckle? They both have a shell, they both have similarly shaped heads and considering Shuckle was introduced in generation II, it could have been an expansion on the family. Think of the expansions on gen II families in gen IV. This could have been the same thing. I do agree, however, it does look like Squirtle though. [[User:FrozenStrategy|FrozenStrategy]] 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Pokemopolis Pokemon ==

During the episode The Ancient Puzzle of Pokemopolis, Brock is seen holding a statue of an unknown pokemon, worth a mention I think.
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps1.shtml

[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 04:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, nice find. Definitely needs a mention. Perhaps the last one is trapped in the GS Ball :D And re-watching the episode, perhaps also the statues in sequence shortly after: [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/indigo/074ps2.shtml here]. I'm surprised no one noticed this before. I guess everyone repressed the memory of that horrifying french accent. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Celebi is in the GS Ball. Kurt ate it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Heh. Closest Pokémon that frame fits is Teddiursa, but the difference is enough that I'd call it unknown. - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] ([[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]/[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]) 04:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::::I am now almost certain that the artifact is Honoguma with round ears, as they are both bear-like, have similar builds, obviously the markings would not normaly be part of the Pokemon, as the Psyduck artifact, Giant Gengar, Giant Alakazam & Giant Jigglypuff have similar markings, anybody else see the resemblance?[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 12:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== "Resembles" ==

Can we excise all the speculation about what a released Pokémon each unreleased Pokémon somewhat resembles? Isn't it entirely possible that these Pokémon are entirely unreleased and in no way influenced the design of later Pokémon? [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 09:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, for most of them from Generation II and onward, it's pretty obvious which later designs they influenced; take Happa for instance, it's obviously a beta Chikorita. But I wouldn't be against removing the speculation about the pre-Generation II art, such as the "unnamed turtle". --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 10:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I think the info that is obviously rubbish should be removed, such as Honoguma (a bear, & a starter) being related to Raichu, & Kurusu (also a starter) being a pre-evo of Seel or Lapras (no resemblance whatsoever), also, I cannot see any resemblance between the Turtle & Turtwig (yet another starter), & it is highly unlikely to be an evo of Squirtle (someone was obviously obsessed with starters!), the about the Turtle & Purutoga should stay however, since the similarities are pretty undeniable, the bit about Torkoal might as well stay too.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 11:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
:::I happen to have the full artwork of the turtle and can say that it has very little resemblance to Purutoga. I think rather than having an actual relation they just have similar design themes, both being turtles and all. For example, the new electric flying squirrel resembles Pachirisu, but they're not related. They simply follow typical themes standard for a Pokemon of that type. [[User:Slowpokeisgod|Slowpokeisgod]] 00:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== EP072 thing ==

I wouldn't really try to search for any meaning in that bear-like thing from EP072. It's a random thing, most likely created for the anime only. It has no meaning. There's no evidence that it was ever intended to be a Pokemon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Looking into it, it's a painted Psyduck figure.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 14:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
::There is a Psyduck artifact, but thats not what this is about.[[User:Vuvuzela2010|Vuvuzela2010]] 14:40, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
:::the one that brock is holding looks more bear-ish and isn't yellow--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, Really? ==

I know the pink top looks like Hitmontop but it looks clearly like a Clefairy as well, and Cleffa came the next generation did it not? The "Meoth whiskers" thing is a bit vaque though. But can we at least mention Clefairy? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 20:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

== Turtle ==

couldn't the relation between the old turtle and new turtle be that the old one was scrapped concept art that was revived for the new generation when they decided to discount the old pokemon and make this one completely new?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 00:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:Hellooo anyone care to comment?--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 22:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::That's just speculation, we don't know that. And its not like Shellos and Gastordon, which were saved for the next generation, there is a 3 Generation (and 10 year) difference. Also, the artwork we currently have doesn't show the whole Pokemon, so untill we have that, we can't really speculate about this (if someone knows where to find the original, non-cropped artwork, please post it). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
:::someone on the resembles thread says they have it.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, I spotted that yesterday, I've posted a comment on their talk page, but thanks for mentioning that anyway. Still no reply though :( If it turns out to be a dead end, I might look around the web myself, though where to find a reliable, non-fan-created picture is the problem. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Arachnoid ==
In the episode "The Superhero Secret" there is a strange arachnoid. It can be seen on this page [http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/140ps5.shtml]
[[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
:That's [[team rocket]]'s robot--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 04:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
No it isn't. If you watch the episode you can see that it dosen't move mechanicaly and it dosen't say anywhere that it is team Rockets robot. [[User:Kodde|Kodde]] 10:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Having just watched the episode, it would certainly seem to be a Pokemon, even if it is just supposed to be a prop (it even has a cry), though it would have been created for just this episode (though it's not the first anime-exclusive Pokemon). It is odd however, that they did not just use a giant Spinarak. It should be added, if you want to add it feel free, though I will probably get round to adding it tommorrow.'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::It's a fictional monster. Fictional from the Pokémon world's point of view too. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:13, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::In other words, it is a fictional Pokemon, like how some legendaries are seen in universe to be fictional? Still worth noting. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::That's obivously not what Maxim ment. That thing is obviously not ment to be a Pokémon. It's only ment to be a fictional monster for Gligarman to fight. If you're going to include that thing, you may as well include the Mongoose from Ghost of Madien's Peak episode or the worm Pidgeotto ate in episode 3, or the "Legendary Water Pokémon" Misty imagined in the Slowpoke Enlightenment episode Etc.[[User:PDL|PDL]] 19:31, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::But we don't know if it is ''not'' a Pokemon for certain, though I wouldnt say the others should be included, the mongoose is just Gastly, and I think the worm is just meant to be a real worm. I have not seen the Slowpoke episode however, so I cannot say anything about that thing (though I am getting it up on my laptop now). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::It was shown only in a fictional story of Gligarman. So, it's reasonable to assume that it doesn't exist in the Pokemon world. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 20:07, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::oooooh that one okay that shouldn't count because that looks like it's in one of those old giant spider-godzilla movies.--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 20:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think it shouldnt be on the page, then you can remove it, though I still feel it should be in the article, as it is for ''Unreleased Pokemon'', and even though it may be fictional, it is still seems highly likely that it is a fictional Pokemon, and thus releavant to the article. As for not existing in the Pokemon world, with the possible exeption of the EP072 bear, none of the unreleased Pokemon on this page would exist in the Pokemon world either... '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 20:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:okay then that makes sense--[[User:Ash0011|Ash0011]] 21:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:Perhaps it would be better to have a separate list for "Non-Pokémon" creatures and keep this entry specifically about Unreleased or beta Pokémon '''As they are ment to appear in the games'''. Anime only stuff hardly counts. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 23:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
::While I disagree with your ''Anime only stuff hardly counts'' comment, as the anime is often used to showcase unreleased Pokemon (like Togepi, the gold Ho-Oh in EP001, or possibly the bear with a rather striking resemblance to Honoguma in EP072), the seperate list doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Though I would prefer the name '''List of disputed Pokemon''' or something along those lines, as there is already a list for [[animals|non-Pokemon]]. This page would need to be renamed to reflect the change, unless the list would simply be a new section on this page? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 23:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Then I wonder why [[Zapmolcuno]] isn't here. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:42, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I was refraining from adding it, incase everything was to be moved around. Same goes for [[Venustoise]], the unreleased Unown forms seen in [[M03]], the Sun and the Fairy seen in the book of Legendary Pokemon in [[M03]], the wooden Celebi seen in [[M04]], and the creature attacking Alto Mare at the start of [[M05]]. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:52, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we really should keep this page for Pokémon artwork that's explicitly "beta". Anime appearences of "non-Pokémon" should really go to a different page. [[User:PDL|PDL]] 00:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I think that We should add the ones mentioned above as they are ''presumably'' pokémon and I think we should add a section for pokemon appearing only in the manga that have no natural explanation such as Zapmolcuno and the manga dialga/palkia fusion statue at eterna city (there is a picture of it on the eterna city talk page).--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Zekrom (Pokémon)

2010-08-30T10:30:46Z

Nobody777: /* trivia to be added */ new section

{{forums notice|March 31, 2011}}

== Finally! ==

Yes, it finally got created. So no Pokémon Sunday? [[User:Pokemonemerfan1954|Pokemonemerfan1954]] 00:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:No, there wasn't any new information on Pokémon Sunday. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 00:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Dragon-type? ==

How do you guys know they're Dragon-types? None of the information I read specifically said so. - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 00:11, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:It has been confrmed on Pokémon Daisuki Club as being atleast a Dragon-type. All this information was made sure to be confirmed before being added, so don't worry. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 00:15, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::OK just making sure it's not all speculation; I mean, just because it's in the article doesn't mean it was researched, or that someone didn't just throw in their piece of speculation. ;) - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 00:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Have they been confirmed as being solely Dragon-type, though? If not, it seems a bit misleading to put that there, in my opinion. --[[User:Bdoing|Bdoing]] 01:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:That we aren't sure of though. It could be purely a Dragon-type or a dual type, for which the second type is clearly unknown as of yet. But for the type that we do know, I don't see any harm in it being there until more information is revealed. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 01:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::imo it's not 100% confirmed that they are dragon-types - Daisuki Club said that they are dragons, not that they are definitely dragon-''type''. But that's just how I see it I guess :V [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 01:43, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I have to agree with the Dragon thing. They may of said they were "Dragons" but that's not a 100% sure thing that they are really Dragon types. If you look at past Pokémon, there are some that are considered dragons but don't have the Dragon type. {{p|Charizard}}, {{p|Aerodactyl}}, {{p|Gyarados}}, {{p|Sceptile}} etc. - [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 02:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Agreed. Taking "Legendary Dragon Pokemon" to mean that they're dragon-type, despite that not being confirmed, seems to me like jumping the gun. That, and it seems very misleading to treat them as a pure-type just because you don't know its other type. Even a Dragon/??? type would be clearer than that. [[User:Plasma|Plasma]] 09:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::: Well now they are confirmed that they are Dragon types, so yea... [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 11:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::But it has never been said they are dual types, even though they might. For now, this is all we have.--[[User:KurowaSan|KurowaSan]] 12:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::Part of being a Pokémon encyclopedia is reporting what we know. We know that they're Dragon-type. We don't know anything else about their types. That's why it says Dragon and nothing else (not even a ???). —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Not counting Daisuke Club, where was it confirmed? Forgive me if I'm slow. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 06:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Dragon/Electric type! ==

Ok, so the host of Pokemon Sunday accidentally posted on her blog that Zekrom was Dragon/Electric, and then shortly after she deleted it because of obvious reasons. Here is the proof.. http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5286/zkrtype2.jpg . I Don't know if you need more proof, but that really is proof in itself really. --[[User:S2daam|S2daam]] 10:29, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:Can someone translate for those of us that don't know Japanese please?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::Wow. My guesses of Dragon/Dark and Dragon/Steel were way off. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 11:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Keep the forum chat in the forums thanks. Japanese translation is welcome here, but comments along the lines of the one directly above mine shouldn't be here. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:42, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Did she identify Zekrom as a Dragon/Electric? If she didn't, it might as well be Electric/Dragon instead. The order of the types is important for the page. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 12:44, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:The only thing I see is a pun with "Here is the proof" and linking to a picture of Proof. I'm not seeing any mention of Zekrom, but I might just be half asleep and not noticing anything. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 14:41, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::I couldn't see Zekrom's name either, but I wasn't sure. I guess it's not about Zekrom after all.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 15:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::: I wouldn't jump the gun yet though, as there is the possibility of the "electric" thing being a mistake on the writers part or even a mistranslation (though I highly doubt). [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 15:04, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm fairly certain that the screenshot is of the page after she edited it. Regardless, from what translations I've seen of it, she only says it's "''related'' to electric type pokemon", which does not guarantee it's an Electric type. Lugia is related to the water type, yet it's Psychic/Flying.--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 16:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
: In before "OMFG IT'S A HINT FOR THE LIGHT TYPE BLARGH". But honestly though, I really hope nobody spits that out due to that "related to electric type" statement because that would be really annoying. [[User:Ninterror|Ninterror]] 16:17, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::I'd say this puts a dent in the Light Type possibilities if Zekrom isn't Dark. ;-) But, yeah, while this is very interesting we can't state it as fact under the current circumstances. Some mention of the blog entry might fit under Trivia. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
That picture up there, it isn't really proof, since all I see in the Japanese text is "Bibiddo Bubble(?)""Koiru; Coil(Magnemite),""Magnet," etc. Someone that can read better than me may be some help.--[[User:ShedinjaFtw|ShedinjaFtw]] 00:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:Oh wow this trolling. She's just gushing over the illustration directly above the text ("vivid purple!!1!" "magnemite"! "magnets"!)—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:42, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::How does this have anything to do with Zekrom? I don't see "Zekuromu"... all I see are stuff about illustration... even at the top, it says clearly: "Tēma: Irasuto", which is basically "Theme: Illustration." Sorry if it's just me and my bad eyes, but that up there has nothing to do with Zekrom. --[[User:ShedinjaFtw|ShedinjaFtw]] 01:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::: The image posted is the blog after the comment was removed, [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f299/PKIM82/zkrtype1.jpg here] is the screencap from before the edit. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 03:08, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::::Well I suppose that much checks out...we should definitely hold off on making that a part of the article, though.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::Any mention of the electric type should stay away from the bulk of the article but I still say it counts as trivia. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
The thought of that part of the blog being removed instead of changed leads me to believe that it was a leak instead of an error, as the error would most likely be fixed instead. Also, is it really better to count it soley as a dragon and not a Dragon/Unconfirmed, since ??? is considered a type?--[[User:Jmassacre|Jmassacre]] 13:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:It's only been officially announced as Dragon so we can only mention the one type for now. Interesting as that blog entry is, claiming that Zekrom has a second type at all is still too close to rumour and speculation at this point. The type effectiveness section probably isn't accurate, though. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

==Sprite==
I know one of the screenshots from Black and White had a sprite of Zekrom in it. I've never uploaded an image before, so maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see any reasons why the sprite isn't here. If authenticity is a concern, we can just put the "THIS SPRITE IS FAKE" mouse-over on it. --[[User:Element03|Element03]] 04:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think the issue is actually quality, rather than whether it is real or not. The screenshots we have are of relatively low quality, so any sprites pulled from them will be as well. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:47, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::The sprites will only be put on if they are needed for a template. The spritebox will not be implemented until the games release, so the sprites are only needed for the evobox. So far, we will only put in a evobox if we know it evolves to something else or evolves from something else ({{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}}), or if we know it will evolve (starters). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:20, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Alright, I can wait, but would like to point that a pretty clear shot is at http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:BW_Prerelease_Zekrom_battle.png. I checked to make sure it matches up with current sprites, which it does, but I noticed that Zekrom is 94x90 pixels. Interesting to note, this is much larger than any previous sprite.--[[User:Element03|Element03]] 01:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

==Last?==
The article shows Bulbasaur as the next Pokémon. This used to be the case with Arceus, due to it ending the Pokédex. However, a version mascot has never ended the Pokédex, so why is Zekrom listed at the end? It is the last Pokémon known, but probably should not be listed as the last Pokémon. [[User:Digletdude|Digletdude]] 20:02, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:We don't know what the last Pokemon is, though. It's listed there because it's... like you said, the last Pokemon known right now. It's only temporary until the game comes out. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 20:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
::However, other Generation V Pokémon have been shown with "???" as next and previous. We do know other Pokémon are Next and Previous, but we don't know how many may or may not be in between. Although there Pokédex numbers are missing, some, such as the starters can be ordered. This means, if Zekrom is ordered as last, others can be temporairly ordered. {{unsigned|Digletdude}}
::Sorry I didn't sign yesterday, I was multi-tasking, and accidently put the signature in a document I was typing. I didn't know I can't resign. {{unsigned|Digletdude}}

==Physiology for the admins to implement==

Zekrom is a bipedal Pokemon of indefinable basis, but conveyed to be dragon-like. Zekrom is mainly a shade of dark gray, with darker patches on various portions of its body. It has red eyes and a small horn-like protrusion on the tip of its snout, with its head sporting a plume tipped with light-blue coloration. At the base of its neck is a black, stud-like feature, and atop its shoulders are similiar, larger features resembling armor padding.The bases of its wings also have such padding, and a fanned, splayed, seemingly webbed shape with a small "wing-spike" on one edge. The lower length of Zekrom's arms extenuate into splayed, seemingly webbed, somewhat baseball-mitt-like formations, with three-clawed, dark-colored hands on the undersides. The front portion of Zekrom's waist is black-colored, with its belly and thighs having thin striations down their length. The knees are black, as are the foremost parts of its three-clawed feet and spiked heels. Zekrom's tail consists of large, round, conical and spiked formation, likened to a electricity generator, with a black inner portion and bands on the tip of the outside portion. [[User:Steph|Steph]] 00:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

==Trivia for the admins to implement==
Zekrom is the first pokemon to have a type combination of Dragon and Electric. {{unsigned|Burzerk}}

==Possible name origin?==
Could the "Ze" of Zekrom be derived from the Chinese 光澤 ''guāngzé'' (luster)? However, I'm not sure about this. Besides "luster (of metal and gems)", 澤 ''zé'' also has other meanings, such as "pool/swamp", "humid/damp", and "favour/kindness". [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 14:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
:Possible, but it strikes me as unlikely. My best guess is that both the "Re" and "Ze" come from two possible readings of 零 (zero, null, fraction, fragment, etc.): レイ ('''''re'''i'') and ゼロ ('''''ze'''ro''). A quick google search shows that at least a few Japanese websites have made the same guess. [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== Accented é ==

In the first sentence of Zekrom's physiology, the word "Pokémon" is missing the accented é. --[[User:♫Green♫|♫]][[Special:Contributions/♫Green♫|Green]][[User Talk:♫Green♫|♫]] 20:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:Got it. Thanks :D --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 20:21, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Game color? ==

Why is the black Pokémon the mascot for Pokémon White and the white Pokémon the Black mascot? Is this something new they're doing for Generation V? [[User:RikutheGreat|RikutheGreat]] 21:12, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:That's just what they wanted to do. It's kind of like yin and yang. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 21:21, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

== Special Moves? Breeding? ==

What is this "Special Moves" sub-header for, and why is it not on other articles as far as I can see? Second, why is it given a sub-header for breeding moves? All legendary Pokemon save for Manaphy are incapable of breeding.--[[User:Black Yin Zekrom|Black Yin Zekrom]] 05:39, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:"Special moves" is for moves that don't fit elsewhere in the table, such as event only moves. It is actually the same level heading as the breeding one. The reason why all that stuff is there is that the template used to make the new Pokémon articles includes it, and since we haven't got enough info for the move set we haven't bothered touching those headers at all. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:45, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Should it be mentioned that the padding around Zekrom's claws look similar to the capture devices in Pokémon Colloseum? [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] - [[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|Please don't hurt us...]] 20:17, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
:That's a rather subjective point, so I don't think it needs mentioning. '''~ [[User:Sol|sol]][[User talk:Sol|ar]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|is]]''' 20:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== trivia to be added ==

shouldnt it be mentioned that zekrom is the only electric pokemon that doesnt have yellow in its colour scheme?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 10:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Generation V

2010-05-31T07:39:30Z

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==Any References?==
With the impending release of [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver]] in America, can someone keep an eye out for any in-game references to Gen. V? Much appreciated. [[User:The Jigglypuff Ninja|The Jigglypuff Ninja]] 01:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:I doubt there are any references to Gen V in HGSS. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::And I ''highly'' doubt that NoA would change the script to add such references in. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Any references will probably be in the new Ranger game. Although the Lock Capsule is probably related to something in Generation V.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 01:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It's a Gen IV event item. Likely gonna be for a Gen IV event. Think: what hasn't been released yet? Could be Celebi... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::At the risk of dragging this out too far (this is quickly becoming something that'd fit on the forums), hackers would have found a Celebi Event in the coding, but no one has. Add in that PokeBeach reports that it seems to have similar transfer data as the Manaphy Egg, and it seems like it's supposed to be transferred out of HGSS into a new game... but I digress. We have no proof either way.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 05:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::The question is... how would it be obtained in the first place? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

==Jumping the Gun a bit?==
Are you guys sure we aren't looking into this a bit too far? All we have for clues are that they announced a new game and a new *something*. Not to mention it says it's gonna be new on the DS. What's to be sure of all of that? For all we know, the new game could be MindCrystal, the silhouette could be a new Forme like the last 5 that were announced. The new game could be a wii sequel to Pokemon XD:Gale of Darkness. If we can't even have Pokemon evolved editing pages when they're in the titles of episodes, why can we just up and announce a new generation? I mean, Pokebeach even said the silhouette isn't Z, what makes anyone certain it's Generation V?[[User:SLE_aman|SLE_]][[User:SLE_aman/talk|aman]] 11:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:What does Pokebeach have to do with anything? We know this is Gen V because Masuda SAID it is a new Pokémon. Nothing in this article says that this Pokémon is Z. Because we don't know that. All we know is that it is a new Pokémon. To think otherwise... well, you're in denial big time. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::The original announcement talked about the popularity of Diamond and Pearl before saying this game will be set in a new region with new Pokémon. What more evidence do you need? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, technically, the RPG announcement never explicitly said it would be main series. Even though Generation V Pokémon were hinted, it was never explicitly said that it was the full-fledged generation. It also never explicitly said it would be a pair, either. There are RPGs other than the main series, and they could use a side-series RPG to give Generation V-based cameos to increase anticipation for the full-fledged generation to come at a later date (much like Mystery Dungeon 1 did). Recent announcements pretty much excludes the possibility of it being a Ranger 4, but it's still possible that it could be a Mystery Dungeon 5 or something completely different than anything we've seen before. My [[$1|2¢]]: Odds are the TBA 2010 thing is not for the full-fledged Generation V. Especially if the RPG announcement turns out to be for a single. They've faked us out before, and even if the silhouette does turn out legitimate, it's probably still too early to be thinking full-fledged Generation V. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

::::Actually, I've seen a subb'ed version. Masuda specifically said "We're working on a new generation of pokémon" --[[User:Camzoman]]
::::Yeah. And nowhere in that did it explicitly say that was the TBA 2010 project. They can be working on a new generation of Pokémon, yet still announce and release side games relating mainly to the previous generation. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Camzoman, where exactly did you see this subbed version? I did not hear Masuda mention a "new generation" anywhere in the video - what he said was "we're developing a brand-new work for Pokemon." However, I don't think there's any denying at this point that it is indeed the new generation. The [http://www.corocoro.tv/pokerelease/index.html Corocoro site] doesn't seem to be implying that this is a side game (not that Game Freak makes side games to begin with). It's a new version(s), with a new setting, new Pokemon, new features... sounds like a new generation to me. :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Japanese doesn't have a plural so the "he only said one" argument doesn't hold. [[n:New Pokémon RPG announced|Just look at the information we have]]. It's obviously Generation V. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Anyway, the CoroCoro scans for Zoroark fit the silhouette from Pokémon Sunday.--[[User:Crazylegs24]]

== Why is this page protected? ==
Why is this page protected? --[[User:?????|Any]] [[User talk:?????|Questions]][[User:?????|?????]] 18:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Think about it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough*Speculation*cough* [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Because someone is 100% likely going to put what they think the new Pokémon is, probably saying it's Mightyena's evolution or something, if it isn't protected. That is speculation, something that isn't allowed here in the mainspace. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It is not a good sign when a question like this needs to be asked.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 22:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::That against us or against the users who'd make crappy speculative edits? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's against users who don't realise why it should be protected...--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::...same thing? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Arguable.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 13:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Would it not be better to make this page "semi-protected" so that only established users can edit? There are plenty of established users who are not administrators, whom I'm sure would want to contribute to such a monumental article. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 09:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:That wouldn't stop speculation from incurring. If you have any confirmed evidence, ask for it here.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Generation V Pokémon Infobox, anyone? ==

I know you'll probably all find this pointless, but I decided to throw together a [[Template:PokémonInfoboxGenV|temporary infobox]] to use for the Generation V Pokémon articles. It's basically a stripped-down version of the regular infobox that leaves out all the fields for any technical stuff (Egg groups, EXP yield, Gender ratios, etc.) that's unlikely to be revealed until ''Pokémon V'' comes out later this year. I also created a [[User:Quagbert/Z (Pokémon)|user-subpage for the silhouetted mystery Pokémon]] that uses a [[Template:PokémonInfoboxGenVNoncat|non-categorizing version]] of this template.

''Thanks to {{u|PsychicRider}} for making me aware of the original non-categorizing Pokémon infobox.'' [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 00:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Masamitsu Hidaka==

Should [[Masamitsu Hidaka]] be mentioned since that interview kind of confirmed Generation V? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Unlink ==

Can somebody please unlink "Generation V Pokémon"? It's a redlink right now. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== This just in! ==

Serebii.net just confirmed the first two Fifth Generation Pokémon! Go check it out! :) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 14:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii.net didn't. Leaked scans did. Also, the first one was already revealed. The second one was revealed to be before it in their evolutionary line. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think yu're probably going to need to find this information from another source. It seems like the users here have some sort of vendetta against Serebii.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 14:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It is officially confirmed. It was from a different source. It was from scans. You can see bulbanews's draft. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::We don't have any vendetta against Serebii. He just isn't the source in this case - CoroCoro is. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Either way, it's confirmed right? I'd love to update the page, but it's locked. *ahem*
''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'' [[User:Chosen|-]] 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

[[File:CoroCoro March 1.jpg|thumb]]

Here's the picture! --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 15:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright, these two Pokémon have been offically confirmed by the leaked CoroCoro scans, but apparently it's still considered too early to put up the Bulbapedia articles for them. Is there some additional form of conformation that we're waiting for?

Anyway, I already have {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}} in my userspace ready to be moved to the main space when we're finally allowed to do so. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's probably due to lack of information. I assume that when its ability/abilities and/or base stats are revealed it will be moved. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::IIRC, none of that sort of information (especially base stats) was revealed for the Generation IV Pokémon until the actual release of Diamond/Pearl, or shortly before, though we still had mainspace articles for them anyway. This means it'd be months before we move Zorua/Zoroark into the mainspace. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, according to serebii, they're supposed to be revealed next month. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Related Pokémon ==

On the page, it says that it has noteable links with the Riolu and Poochyena families. If it's definitely pure dark type then just ignore this, but couldn't it be an alternative to the Vulpix family? --[[User:Herachu|Herachu]] 22:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
: I agree. --[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]

== New Pokémon template ==

Based partly on the {{template|DP episode}} template, I've decided to make a [[Template:NewPokémon|new Pokémon template]] to use the next time a new Pokémon is revealed. The code would go like this:
<pre>
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|Jp. Katakana name|Romanized Jp. name|
typen= (number of types) |
type1= (first type) |
type2= (second type) |
pron= (name's pronunciation) |
jspecies= (species in Japanese) |
species= (species, aka "____ Pokémon")
image= (filename of image) |
caption= (caption for said image) |
height-m= (height in meters) |
weight-kg= (weight in kilograms) |
prev= (previous Pokémon's (i.e. pre-evolution) name, Arceus by default) |
prevnum= (previous Pokémon's National Dex #, 493 by default) |
next= (next Pokémon's (i.e. evolved form) name, Bulbasaur by default) |
nextnum= (next Pokémon's National Dex #, 001 by default) |
}}
</pre>
Those who want to use this template for their own userspace should replace "main" in the top line with "user", so that those user sub-pages aren't categorized with the genuine Pokémon articles in the main space. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Take away part in introduction ==

It says that it is unknown whether the new games will be contemporaneous with any of the other games. I beg to differ. Pokemon Sunday officially stated that Zoroark lives in a "New Area". Or is it just saying that it is unknown whether it will be possible to travel to another region? Spenfen
:Contemporaneous means at the same time. Like how RBY and RSE are at the same time, and so is GSC and DPPt. It has nothing to do with location.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 18:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Japanese Gen. 5 page ==
I have a good link to a japanese page on the Generation 5 games here: [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g100215_03.html].--[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 01:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's kinda where we got all of our information. Pokémon.co.jp and the Japanese Pokémon variety shows. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

== Interwiki link to Pokéteca ==

Now that there's an article about [[:es:Quinta Generación|Generation V on Pokéteca]], can someone add it the interwiki link to it, please? --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 03:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Two New Generation V Pokémon Scan !!! ==

Hey guys, I got this '''EPIC''' magazine scan featuring two new evolutions of Delibird and Farfetch'd from Generation V and it seems 100% real. {{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:It's not. Notice how I protected the hell out of those names ''before Zoroark and Zorua were revealed''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Does that mean this scan is a fake one? --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 07:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The screenshot is obviously fake if you couldn't tell. That should have given it away easily. So yes, it is fake. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 07:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Lol, man I am dumb.
::::'''Source''': http://www.pokemondarkay.net/{{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:::::Looks pretty real. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 11:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Well it may look real but I've seen things in my days done in Photoshop that looked very real. Can someone translate or is there even any legit source? I don't read Spanish nor Japanese. [[User:.insomniac.|inso]]m[[User_talk:.insomniac.|niac]] 11:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Since it's already been confirmed as fake, please take further discussion regarding the scan to the {{tt|forums|Not the Bulbapedia forum.}}. Thanks, - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 11:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

== [[Nintendo 3DS]] ==

It's very likely that these new games will be on the 3DS, so can someone remove the statement saying that the games ''will'' be released on the regular DS?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 00:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:[[Generation II]] ahoy. The press release said DS. Not 3DS. 3DS comes out NEXT YEAR. These come out THIS YEAR. Nintendo's not ''stupid''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::It could be released before Christmas in Japan so there is the potential for the game to be on 3DS. But that's purely guesswork at the moment and it could still be a DS game even if the 3DS is implemented so we go with the only source on the matter - the original announcement which said it will be on the DS. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 11:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Or, as in Generation II, the games could be programmed with 3DS enhancements, yet still be playable on the DS. Nonetheless, until something official states that they will utilize the 3DS, any mention of it is speculation at best. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Technically, TTEchidna, the page that announced the 3DS stated that it would be released sometime between now and next April, so that doesn't mean next year.
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 23:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Current Length ==

The days have weird numbers, can an administrator fix them? Thanks. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 21:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:They're automatically calculated by the template... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
::But the games haven't been released yet. I think it's too early to say that Generation V has started. [[User:Fudgenuggets|Fudgenuggets]] 22:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:::It hasn't started yet. It starts in 0.8 days according to those numbers. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 03:22, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::::It's because it's calculated weirdly. Once we have a ''date'', we'll put that in, and it'll look right. Until then, DECIMALLLLLLLLLL '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

== Uploaded player sprite ==

[[File:GenV.player.front.png‎]] [[File:GenV.player.side.png‎]]

I got the player sprite and uploaded it to the archives... I guess if someone can find a place for it on the article, well, there it is!

Actually, now that I see them side-by-side, it looks like the front-facing sprite on the left is the male character while the right-facing sprite on the right is the female character. Any ideas? - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 02:01, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:1) This is the article for Gen V in general, not just Black and White.
:2) Do we have the overworld sprites from the past games anywhere? The characters themselves will get articles eventually but we will hopefully have Sugimori artwork released around the time that happens. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 23:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::We do, but... mostly fronts. And those are animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I'm sure there's a home for those sprites... right? :) - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 06:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== About the day count... ==

You should set it to zero, I'm not sure we'll have Pokémon B&W in -0.840277777778 days. --[[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]] 12:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:But we all wish we did... [[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 11:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::You mean you didn't get your game 0.840277777778 days ago? Never mind, I hacked the template to make it say better stuff. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::As long as you didn't break the template on the other four generations. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm fairly certain I didn't. Fixed it through an optional extra parameter. Seeing as the parameter doesn't exist on the other four pages, nothing should have broken. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gen 4 compatability ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this has been confirmed? (The upcoming Flare Blitz Entei and co can do something in gen 5) {{unsigned|Deuxhero}}
:makes sense, but since it's not officially confirmed, {{tt|we can't include it.|That's Bulbapedia's standard.}} [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 12:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::What do you mean, it hasn't been officially confirmed? It's been confirmed that the shiny legendary gerbils unlock something in BW, meaning that they are transferable to aforementioned games. Serebii.net reported on this last month. Oh wait, let me guess- Serebii.net isn't what you consider a reliable source despite only being wrong about stuff they explicitly said they weren't sure about in the first place. We also didn't add all the english names for all the HGSS stuff until it came out and proved him right. When are you guys gonna swallow your pride and admit that Serebii.net is probably the most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::''The most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet?'', {{tt|Hahahaha, I don't think so|I don't want to go off-topic otherwise it will be long debate}}. Anyway, wait for an official announcement before doing/adding anything. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 14:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::If I recall though it was indeed confirmed by an official source that the legendary beasts could unlock something in BW... apparently someone got their hands on the pamphlet that you get for pre-ordering the ticket and it states that the beasts unlock stuff in BW. Not sure if there's a scan of it anywhere though, I would refrain from putting it on the page if it's just his personal speculation again. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::If it is added, be sure not to assume HOW the games are compatible; it's possible they could unlock something through a method other than trading or transferring. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just as a clarification, an official site has yet to specifically state "generation 4 can trade in some way with generation 5". The pamphlet in question can be seen in entirety [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/image/tickets/print/guide.pdf here]. On page 3 there is a small section that talks about Pokemon Black/White and the last sentence of that section mentions that the 3 have a secret. This was taken to mean that the 3 unlock something in B/W obviously because it is mentioned inside the B/W section and therefore probably are able to be traded to Gen 5 in some way. Anyways, that was the logic behind "Gen 4 and 5 compatibility confirmed." Whether that is a good enough reason to be added on here or not, I don't know :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 16:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC))
:::::::There's ''also'' that little issue of them being ON THE DS. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starters ==

Here's the image from Pokémon Sunday: [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 01:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC) [[File:PokéSun May09 10.png|thumb|right]]

I can guess that the Grass Type is a Bird of Parodise Pokemon, as in the plant 'Bird of Parodise,' and also they had already done Bird based starters for [[Torchic|Fire]] and [[Piplup|Water]], and not yet Grass. If this could be true when revealed, then it will certainly complete the Bird Starters just like the Lizard Starters of [[Treeko|Grass]],[[Charmander|Fire]] and [[Totodile|Water]].
The Fire Type could may as well be a piglet for it's curley tail, and the Water Type could be another Amphibian Pokemon like [[Mudkip]]. These are just guesses, but what do you think? [[User:Cynthia149]] 17:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think that you need to take your speculation to the forums. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for the heck of it, I have a [[User:Quagbert/No.494 (Pokémon)|draft article for the Grass starter]], which I created using the template I mentioned above. I also have startup code to create the Fire and Water starters' articles using this same template, if anyone's interested:
<pre>
Fire Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Fire
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(grass starter)|next=water starter)}}

Water Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Water
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(fire starter)|next=Zorua}}
</pre>
[[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

For the curious, from left to right its the Grass-type, the Fire-type, and the Water-type. [http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Here]. Still no names or pics other though. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:There's this great site called Bulbanews that has already reported that information - and with pictures, too! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 16:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Excuuuuse me for not noticing. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== "Both are canine Pokémon," ==

By which the article presumably means ''vulpine''; canine refers to dogs but Zoroa and Zoroark are/will be fox Pokémon. [[User:Smithers888|Smithers888]] 04:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:Foxes are canine. Ish. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canidae - Canini and Vulpini are separate members of Canidae --[[User:Grinnz|Grinnz]] 18:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::: I had something but might as well just ask. Aren't dogs actually Lupine, if we're going Vulpine for foxes.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

isnt lupine for wolves Iirc ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
: Dogs are in the same family as wolves. Canis Lupus, the dog is only further distinguished by Canis Lupis familiaris. But even still Canine could refer to Canidae which is what Foxes/Dogs/wolves are in. The only difference is Foxes are further classified as "Vulpine" and if we follow suit, dogs/wolves would be Lupine not Canine. And it did say some foxes (while not true foxes) could still be under the Canis Genus if that's where the Canine name comes from. But again while Canine might refer to dogs specifically, isn't that more of a general consensus, rather than a scientific consensus? I'm going scientific here, if people want to be so correct with the whole Vulpine/Canine argument. -[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Who cares, really. That section'll be gone by the end of the year. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Older PCs ==

[http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Apparently], artwork shown in Coro Coro comics indicates that the Player characters aren't kids like previous generations, but are a bit older and appear to be young adults. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== well heres the pics ==

I have a corocoro scan of the player characters.....

[[File:User373931 pic151409 1273683476.png|thumb|right|here they are]]
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:The scan is from Pokebeach. I think we'd prefer it if it was your own scan. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well, the beach is our buddy, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon? ==

I found this online. It has the Pokémon Sunday picture in the corner. Does anybody know if this is the real deal or a scam?
http://nd03.blog.cz/294/620/14fe8a949a_61909769_o2.jpg
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 19:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

bleh...looks fake ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:Old and fake. (btw: the text on the bottom says "the Pokemon that grasps the key to the Ruler of Illusions: Z!") [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Fail. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon (CoroCoro scan) ==

Came here to upload the scan, but apparently someone else did but didn't do anything with it. Here it is: [[File:Corocoro7.jpg|right|thumb]]
This info should probably be put into the main article. [[User:Marluxia.Kyoshu|Marluxia.Kyoshu]] 20:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's been used on News. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== More info! ==

*Zorua has the Illusion ability.
*Mijumaru is 0.5m tall and weighs 5.9kg. It also has the Torrent ability.
*Tsutaaja is 0.6m tall and weighs 8.1kg. It also has the Overgrow ability.
*Pokabu is 0.6m tall and weighs 9.9kg. It also has the Blaze ability.
These should be added to the Pokémon articles--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== On the use of unconfirmed information ==

<strike>We seem to have taken a whole bunch of unconfirmed information as fact here, and as it's generally not Bulbapedia policy to do so, it somewhat bothers me.

For the record, here is a list of information, much of which has been added to Bulbapedia, that I have not seen in the CoroCoro pages or any other official source (though if you have official sources with this that I have missed, please, by all means, link me):
*The name "Tsutaaja," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Grass-type
*The name "Pokabu," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Fire-type
*The name "Mijumaru," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Water-type
*"Hiun City"
*Zoroark's ability, "Illusion"
*Those two new attacks whose names I can't be bothered to remember right now (Trickery and Claw Sharpen or something?)
*The method by which to obtain Zoroark
I have seen ''none'' of this come from official sources, only from fansites, blogs, and forums. (Hell, I could have sworn that I saw some of this in a 2ch speculation thread back in March.) The justification to their validity seems to be that the random anonymous person who posted this information on 2ch was right about other information before it was leaked, so he must be right now - but that reasoning hasn't been enough in past cases, has it?

I really wish we had kept the above-mentioned facts off of Bulbapedia until they were confirmed, but here they are. I personally think they should be removed (and the starters' pages moved into TTE's userspace or something) until they are confirmed, but a reasonable compromise, I think, would be to tag all articles that mention this information with an "unconfirmed" tag of some sort (I seem to remember a template for one, though I can't find it now...).

Any thoughts?</strike> [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:They're all from CoroCoro. It's pretty undeniable. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 18:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Scratch that, I found the CoroCoro scans that apparently no one cared to share which confirmed all of this. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Region ==

i would just like to say that, because of the set-up of the page, it looks like one or the regions in Gen. V is Starters. I would fix it myself, but I'm not an Admin. could an admin please change it show it looks like this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
==Starters==</nowiki>

instead of this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
===Starters===</nowiki> thank-you [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 19:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:If you take a look at the table of contents, you'll see that "Starter Pokémon" is a lower heading than "Isshu", as it should be, to indicate that those are the Starter Pokémon of Isshu. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::i guess that's true. the actual part of the article is what made me confused. But looking at the Table of Contents, it is set up correctly.[[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 23:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Never too early to have the article set up like the rest. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==Legendary Pokémon==
I saw two new Pokémon looks like the legendaries at the Pokémon english official site (names+artworks). Their names are Reshiram and Zekrom. I don't know if these informations are useful but... -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
:Already a page on Bulbanews. Also, since it's breaking news, admins, may not have had time to add it in. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:If anyone's interested, I have userspace draft articles for [[User:Quagbert/Reshiram|Reshiram]] and [[User:Quagbert/Zekrom|Zekrom]]. I just made them as draft articles since I'm not sure if it's appropriate yet to put them in the mainspace, but when it is, any admin is free to move them (or give me the OK to do so). [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I may as well mention that {{user|Jello}} also has draft articles as well: [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Reshiram (Pokémon)|Reshiram]], [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Zekrom (Pokémon)|Zekrom]] [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hi, I'm new here, but I just wanted to add a little bit of information about the names, if it hasn't been done already. In Reshiram's name, the shiramu (シラム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E7%99%BD%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 shiramu (白む)] which means "turning white" or "growing light". In Zekrom's name, the kuromu (クロム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E9%BB%92%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 kuromu (黒む)] which means "turning black" or "tinged with darkness". They're used especially with regards to the sky, for example, "the sky grows light at dawn" or "the sky is tinged with darkness at night". Hope that helps a little. [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, and just speculating, but the Re- and Ze- could come from rei (レイ) and zero (ゼロ), two pronunciations of rei (零), which obviously means "zero". [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::How come nobody's yet made the articles for Reshiram and Zekrom yet? And yet people who DO create articles at strange names to get around it, they just get deleted. Why not just move them to the proper names? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 01:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::We're not satisfied with them yet. And considering tomorrow's PSunday, we'll probably get more than enough data. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::We need to put informations of the two legendaries fast, my friends are asking more things about them but I just have the basic. '''[[User:Blaze of Shadow|Blaze of Shadow]]
:::::::We can't get more info yet Blaze, tell your friends to wait.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
we dont even know their secondary or primary types, we only know that they are part dragon type, so not even the most basic info we have, the article would be only a picture with nothing else.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 07:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Five Known Pokemon? ==

The article says that five Generation V Pokemon are known, but with the announcement yesterday, seven are known. It even mentions Reshiram and Zekrom in the article. Can an admin make the edit?--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 03:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:And the Zekrom page is exist. Please fix this too. -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]

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Nobody777:

Does anybody know here who this so-called ''Phantom Ruler Z'' is? [[User:Mamoswine Gliscor|MamoswineGliscor]] 02:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:No. The movie isn't even close to being out yet. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 02:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::It's a movie not a username. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Probably a Gen V Pokémon, knowing how the past three movies have released an initial title, and then later revealed a "new" (event) Pokémon from DPPt... considering there's no more right now... we may have the beginning of Gen V on our hands. However, no matter what I think, no speculation please. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== How is there already ratings? ==

Especially for Australia?--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, when were they confirmed? '''[[User:CuboneKing|Cubone]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]]''' ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) 04:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::I don't know if I can edit it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 04:56, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:::I can. '''[[User:CuboneKing|Cubone]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]]''' ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) 04:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Did I leave one in there? My bad. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

== Lugia and Ho-oh ==

Is this the same movie that has the battle between Lugia and Ho-oh in it? [[User:Taromon777|'''''Taromon''''']] 13:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:Though Lugia and Ho-oh were not showed in this particular trailer, the image of them battling still remains on the official movie website, so yeah it's the same... Lugia and Ho-oh's roles just aren't known yet ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 14:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC))
So, why don't we list those two Pokémon, and take out that last trivia fact? They're going to be there; absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The teaser showed them, and that's that.--[[User:Skulblaka Shurtugal|Skulblaka Shurtugal]] 23:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:I point to Palkia in movie 11. It was on the first poster and, oh look, not in the movie. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
::Well, being in the first poster is a bit different from being in first teaser, in my opinion. There were other movies which posters contained Pokémon that not participated in the movie itself. [[Jirachi: Wish Maker]] for example, with {{AP|Treecko}} and {{TP|Brock|Mudkip}}. However, it may be better to wait further information. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 16:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Either way, it'll be out in July. We'll find out more before then, but that's gonna be when our answer is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

== Diamond And Pearl? ==

Why Is This Classed As A Diamond And Pearl Series? Surely It Should Be In The Heart Gold And Soul Silver Series. Anyone Agree? After All The DP Trilogy Ended If I Remember Rightly! --[[User:Manaphy1|Manaphy1]] 16:29, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:No. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 16:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::No confirmation has been made about any new series, or about the DP series ending. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the DP series logo is used on the movie website. May I remind you that the Battle Frontier seasons were in the same series as the Hoenn seasons? I don't think it's likely they'll create a new series for HGSS. Possible, but not likely. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 16:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:::I highly, HIGHLY doubt they're creating a HGSS series; they're about to give DP a new opening theme! So yes, this will most definitely be a DP movie. (Also way to make my first reply look totally unhelpful, Buzz{{tt|.|...okay, so it was unhelpful, but still}} [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 16:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
::::It's still the DP series, just like how AG didn't become a FRLG series or an Emerald series. We have a different colorscheme for Battle Frontier, LMM, and PRTOTS because it focuses on the Emerald features, so this has an HGSS colorscheme because it focuses on HGSS's features; likely Season 13 or 14 will, too. Undoubtedly, I'd say, we'll be having Movie 14 be in Johto as well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

so its considered to fall in the DPPt series until further notice, that's all to it from now on I suggest.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 10:58, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
:There is no "DPPt" series. There's the DP series. And it will continue to fall into that series until all eternity, unless they'll decide to start a new series, which is extremely unlikely. Conversation over. Stop talking about it. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 13:41, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
::It's not unlikely. It just won't happen until Gen V. HGSS is Gen IV. As long as Dawn's around, it will be DP. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
And why couldn't the anime have a hgss series? Original series - gen 1 and 2.Hoenn- gen 3 (ruby and saphire), the battle frontier - fire red and leaf green versions.Sinnoh - gen 4 (Diamond, pearl and platinium), and as hgss came out, the anime will probably follow ash's journey to Johto once more. {{unsigned|Tomas}}
:Oy. You just don't understand what we're talking about. We're not saying the anime won't follow HGSS, of course it will, just that those seasons will still fall into the {{series|Diamond & Pearl}}, in the same way that the Battle Frontier seasons were still a part of the {{series|Advanced Generation}}. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 14:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Well yes, on my understanding they should fall into the DP series.--'''[[wp:Wikipedia|Wiki]]'''[[User:Tomas|''Tomas'']] 16:34, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

== actual name ==

its actually phantom champion Z, its the champion kanji not the ruler, please rename.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:27, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
:It can be translated as champion, but I chose the "ruler" translation instead so as not to cause confusion with the Pokemon League title of Champion. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 18:42, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
No, its not what you think will be confused, bulbapedia should be a reliable source of info not one that goes with whatever we users want so some admin should change the name once and for all.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:55, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think you're getting this... Phantom Champion Z is not an "official" name either (It's the one I came up with and Serebii used actually lol... XD ) All three of the translations out there are just fine, and no one is better than the other... At this point we don't know enough about the story or the characters in it to make an accurate judgment of what the proper translation should be, so therefore it should stay "Phantom Ruler Z" until something is revealed that suggests otherwise, which might not even happen because it could be 100% accurate. ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 14:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC))
All right, to either clear up or further confuse the issue, here's what those words are: 
幻影: a vision; a phantom; a ghost; a hallucination. Something that appears real but isn't. 
覇者: ruler; conqueror; winner; champion; titleholder. Either a monarch who rules by force, or the winner in a competition or contest. 
Judging from years past, whatever translation we choose, it will be inaccurate, and it will continue to be used long after better ones are available. --[[User:Murgatroyd|Murgatroyd]] 04:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

== How do we know his name is The Phantom? ==

I'm curious b/c I don't remember anyone saying anything.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 06:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:Uh what? If you're talking about that pirate guy, he was in movie 9. This likely has nothing to do with him... it's like how there've been ''several'' [[Jimmy|Jimmies]], but only one has encountered {{p|Raikou}}. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 10:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::No, someone added into the article something along the lines of "he is called the Phantom" but it's already been taken care of :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 10:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC))
:::Most likely got it from Serebii's jump-to-conclusion that "Meanwhile, Ash meets up with a Phantom Champion, a shadowed character whom looks identical to him." That's not fact yet, Joe.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 21:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

== Pokemon A and B...yet again ==

the title says it all, the mystery guessing game is back with the merchandise, A: New Pokemon A. B: New pokemon DP. thats the description of both, I would like some trusted admin to add the information if possible.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Ah yes, On feb 15 corocoro will provide a sample of info officially--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, that Pokémon A & B thing isn't really important because they are just names of the plush lines. ポケモンぬいぐるみDP (Pokémon Plush DP) and the newer line NEWポケモンぬいぐるみ (NEW Pokémon Plush), so I really don't see much sense in adding that information here :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 00:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC))

if such , so what's thhe difference between NEW pokemon and pokemon DP?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 09:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

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Talk:Core series/Archive 1

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==Routes==

I'm not so sure that a Gen V game ''has'' to start its Route numbering system from 301 just because Hoenn and Sinnoh use a similar method. A Gen V or so game could actually link two previously known regions. There are still Routes 47-100 and Routes 135-200 still unaccounted for. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

:Indeed. Not only is there no precedent or fundamental reason to believe it will be the case, the contrary is more likely to occur. Hoenn and Sinnoh are based on Kyushu and Hokkaido, respectively, which are the only islands in Japan - other than Honshu - arguably big enough to be adapted as regions. By this I am suggesting that Generation V is more likely to revisit Honshu, of which there are plenty of as-yet unexplored territories. If that were to happen, the numbering system would no doubt pick up from Route 47, regardless of whether Kanto or Johto were included in the game.

:Some might also argue that Shikoku, which is another Japanese island, is not too small to serve as the basis of a new region. Supposing that they had a point, the numbering system would still be likely to pick up either from Route 47 or Route 135, due to Shikoku's proximity to both Honshu (in particular the area encompassed in Johto) and Kyushu.

:Those are really the only possibilities involving Japan, and the pattern does suggest that Generation V will be based there. It is important to remember that the transition to Hoenn and then to Sinnoh entailed exploring new territories far enough from previous regions. Now that both Hoenn and Sinnoh are familiar places, that can no longer be done within Japan. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's more to discourage people from being "LOL JOTOE IZ IN RUBBY N SAFIRE" and "LOL HOEN IZ IN DAIMIND N PERL". Though I do agree, they could go and hit whatever's north of Kanto and Johto next time around... the problem would be whether or not to link back to those two or not to. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::They should just go ahead and create a 3-D console game like the Orre series and have all the known game regions present. At least the main series regions. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

==Pikachu==
The article mentions Pikachu and Raichu being in Generation Five's regional dex, because it has been like that in all previous generations. What about the evolutionary lines of {{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Abra}}, {{p|Zubat}} (minus {{p|Crobat}}), {{p|Machop}}, {{p|Psyduck}}, and {{p|Goldeen}}? They've all been present in every game, so why not mention them too? --[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 17:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:I think only Pikachu is mentioned because it's the "mascot" of the series. It has more of a probability of being in the next game. Then again, {{p|Magikarp}} and {{p|Tentacool}} are also mentioned... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::If the next Generation of Pokémon games didn't have the Pikachu family in them I don't think anyone would buy them!- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::of course they would buy them. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 18:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
== Eeveelutions? ==

Is it possible that 2 new eeveelutions will be introduced when you consider Gen II and IV both introduced 2 new eeveelutions each (Espeon & Umbreon and Leafeon and Glaceon)?[[User:BlueGasMask|BlueGasMask]] 01:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:what about Gen III? none. so, no. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::If we see new ones in Gen V, I'd bet on a couple more in Gen VI, but until we have a pattern we ought not. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::If the Eeveelutions "pattern" continued in Gen V, then we would either see no new Eeveelutions (Gen II added 2, Gen III added none, Gen IV added 2) or only a Dragon-type Eeveelution (as all of Eevee's current evolved forms are types that were considered "Special" prior to Gen IV; technically, however, this would break the pattern, as only 1 new "Special"-type would be introduced, rather than the usual 2). Hopefully they will begin to create Eeveelutions based off of the types that were previously "Physical"; I'd really like to see a Steel, Fighting, or Ghost-type Eeveelution (Bug...not so much). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
::::If they do invent new Eeveelutions I dread to think how unimaginative their names will be! There will probably be a Dragon-type one called Drageon or something. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::::How about Dracoleon? Draco IS greek for Dragon. -[[User:The REAL Dialga|The REAL Dialga]] 15:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Scince today there was the hinting of Generation V Pokémon, should a Generation V article be made to confirm the release of more to the story? ----digletdude
:That's what I'm thinking. We might need to start one out. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 21:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::I was about to say the same thing...I just realized it.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 03:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::: Maybe no now, we have to wait. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 05:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::: We need an article for it, for sure, but there is no information whatsoever ''about'' it. At this point, all it'd be is speculation, which is rather pointless in the grand scheme of things. Either speculation or a couple of sentences about the picture.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 03:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::: Well, I for one, say that we wait untill this 'new' Pokémon actually makes its debut --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 03:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or ,maybe just redirect? If that doesn't happen already, that is. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 10:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Turns out to be pichu, guess we dont need a generation V article after all. ----digletdude
:::::::And I had it all prepared, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

<big>YAY, I LOVE PICHU MORE THEN EVER NOW,</big> if they started introducing gen 5, it would seriously limit chacnes of GSDS.

SO PICHU WE LOVE YOU!! --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:That was my main worry too! I was so relieved when I found out it was Pichu! Although, it seems strange that they'd block out this Pichu unless it was of importance. Perhaps its Ash's Pikachu's child! [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 17:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

That would be brilliant. [s]And he could give it to me.[/s] And it could know Volt Tackle and then go with Ash's Pikachu to use Double Volt Tackle killing off Arceus.

But what I think it is, is remember Dialga controls time, so could end up taking Ash and gang to the past. So maybe its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

No, anime is Pokémon's biggest marketing tool and Pichu was a Gen II Pokémon. I have a funny feeling the GSDS is on the way. But those ear markings are odd, like its Pichu's other form . -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Y cant our points both be correct. Its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu, and they are using it to advertise GSDS. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

I guess so. Either way, its still very mysterious. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

There WILL be a next Generation of Pokemon. In a GameInformer issue they had an interveiw with one of the Diamond/Pearl creators and confirmed it.- LolBot, # 18:10:56 (UTC)

==The system==
In the article it states that the games of the new generation came out on the newest Nintendo handheld system. considering that the DSi is coming out soon, should this rapid the chances of Gen 5 coming out sooner, or delaying it waiting for the next, next handheld system like we waited for the DS Lite handheld? Ths proves that the new Gen did not came out on the next Handheld sytem-or did I read it wrong...[[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 22:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:Most people don't interpret the DSi as a new system, simply another upgrade to the DS. We don't even know if there'll be DSi-exclusive games yet; if so, they'd probably only be so for using the camera or something, not because they're too powerful for a vanilla DS. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]([[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]])[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 22:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::Like, they didn't create a new Pokémon game for the Game Boy SP, the games that came out after it(FrLg and Emerald) wer for the GBA. The same is going to go for the DS and the DSi. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 20:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Quality of this article ==

Isn't good. It isn't up to any standard of quality. It reads more like an editorial or some other kind of opinion piece than an encyclopedic one. Given that, what can we do to fix it? I think we can only really say that nothing has been announced, yet. -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 05:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
: Stale Comment reply!: Right now, all it is is a list of things we know will happen or we think will happen. We might add a couple of pictures, but I can see how it would be hard to incorporate them. But with the latest news, it looks like we're not seeing Gen V games until mid-late 2010 in Japan, and early-mid 2011 everywhere else. However, by August of this year, we'll most likely have at least the {{p|Munchlax}} of Gen V and we can pretty much copy this article over to a rough Gen V page. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 17:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::This article is basically a list of patterns through the game series and that's all it ever can be. As I said below, actual Gen V information would go on the Gen V pages. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

== (Very!) Random Trivia ==

I've noticed something very interesting about the introduction of new Generations. One or more Pokémon from the next Generation are always revealed in the movie that features the last Pokémon in the current Generation. This has happened three times, and could well happen again:
*Pokémon the First Movie - Features Mewtwo and Mew, the last Gen I Pokémon - Introduces Marill, Snubbull and Donphan
*Pokémon 4ever - Features Celebi, the last Gen II Pokémon - Introduces Wailmer and Azurill
*Destiny Deoxys - Features Deoxys, the last Gen III Pokémon - Introduces Munchlax
In the first two cases, those were not the first Pokémon of the new Gen to be revealed, and most of them were in Pikachu shorts, but it's still quite an interesting thing to note. If this pattern continues, then there could be one or more Gen V Pokémon in the twelfth movie (or its Pikachu short), as it features Arceus, the last Gen IV Pokémon. Is this worth mentioning in the article, or is it just useless trivia? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not worth mentioning if they weren't the first, but that does seem to be good research. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 20:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::Worth it in my opinion, although most people already believe at least one will appear. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 20:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::So the movie's out tomorrow and we haven't heard anything. There goes that pattern. I was honestly expecting the pattern to be second movie in a generation but for whatever reason Nintendo are staying silent on the Gen V front for now. Might be the new policy of not revealing too much until it's almost done or might just be them dragging out the time between new gens. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Actually, the time it took Nintendo to reveal the Gen IV Pokémon was ridiculous (at least two years wasn't it?). I'd rather they just revealed them all within a space of a few months. Surely there ''has'' to be Gen V Pokémon in the thirteenth movie... [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

==Location?==
Heres something I noticed Kanto seems to be the centre with Johto to the west, Hoenn to the south and Sinnoh to the north. This suggests that gen 5 will be to the east of Kanto to me. [[User:Psycho Mick|Psycho Mick]] 23:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:Take a look at [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|the main picture of the article]]. There's nothing to the east of Kanto. This should belong on the forums anyway. '''~ overgrown'''[[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]] 23:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Idea ==

I just noticed something that I don't think is there. My theory is, if there is a game set in generation five, they will have a trio and if they make a generation six then there will be the trio's master in those games. Just look here;
Gen I: Birds,
Gen II: Lugia,
Gen III: Regis,
Gen IV: Regigigas.

Does anyone agree with me?
--[[User:KelsUsedSplash|KelsUsedSplash]] 01:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea, I think that should be mentioned!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 01:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
::Two cases isn't a pattern. Note that the trios of Gen II and Gen IV had their masters introduced in the same generation. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:::So maybe that pattern will carry on!
:::I: Trio
:::II: Trio and two trio masters.
:::III: Trio
:::IV: Trio and two trio masters
:::V: Trio
:::VI: Trio and two trio masters
:::--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 05:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And if it does, we can say that after Gen VI comes out. But based on the data we have right now, we can't call it a pattern. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Magnemite ==
If Magnemite's included, why not Rhyhorn?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 17:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==Generation 5 Spoiler?==
I have no clue if this is correct so I wanted to run it by you guys. Here is the link for the place I found it. 
http://tinyurl.com/r9hmlx 
I promise you it isn't anything bad, I'm not that kind of person, nor that dumb. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 06:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't trust it it's full of bullshit. Something you may expect from the trolls at Y!A--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 06:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

::Exactly. Girtoo thats funny. Anyways untill we get the proof , this will be spectaculation and so we cant put it here. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 06:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Alright guys thanks a bunch. I didn't think they would finish the pokemon games without giving Eevee all of the types evolutions. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 18:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah, the ol' "my [insert family member here] works on [insert game here] and told me exclusive information" BS. It's always 100% fake. Also, when we do get info from reliable sources, it would go on the relevant Gen V pages rather than here. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm wondering what could be the artwork of the new Eeveelutions, i think ZYPIN would be cool if it is confirmed....same goes with the other Regi-form..we cant trust maybe GEN.5 pokedex will appear before the Diamond and Pearl series ends..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 09:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually we can definitely expect a gen V, since in pt. the multi linguistic man has a plaque in his house which says he visited 150 '''foreign''' lands, so we can expect quite alot.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 07:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

== Make it already! ==
I'm getting really mad. I will blow up it someone don't type an article about G5 in 5...4...3...2...1....1 1/2...1 1/4...1 1/8... just someone make and article for my sake!!!!--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 13:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:Uhh... dude. No confirmation of generation. No article. Calm down and go and do something else. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

== Well I kinda notice something. ==

Before a new generation starts, the last movie in the generation involves water.
Movie 2-Lugia Generation 1
Movie 5-Lati@s Generation 2
Movie 9-Manaphy Generation 3
Only guessing Movie 13-Lugia Generation 4
It's not that big of trivia or anything, I just noticed it.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 11:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:Lati@s aren't Water. Their [[Psychic (type)|Psychic]] /[[Flying (type)|Flying]]. You've also have to take into account, MB, that movie 13 hasn't been cofirmed to star Lugia (or that it'll be the last gen. IV movie, for that matter). [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']]

::MB said that they ''involve'' water, not that the main Pokémon are Water-types. But still. That isn't something that should go in. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:::@ShinyPikachu: Um. Lati@s are {{t|Dragon}}/{{t|Psychic}}. '''[[User:E-123 Ω|E-123]] - [[User talk:E-123 Ω|Ω]] [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=27033 ナックルズ]''' 22:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

==About Arceus==

"The legendary pokemon are more powerful in new generations. With Arceus as the god Pokemon of the universe, it would be hard to make a stronger one."
I HATE this argument. Just because it is credited with creating everything does NOT make it omnipotent, or unsurpassable in any other way. Technically, it's only been known to do one thing, and that's creating other pokemon (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf) which in turn did all the work of creating the universe. And it's arguable that legendary pokemon are mor powerful in each generation (until Arceus, I don't think even the base stats of them were ever improved upon much-- are Groudon and Kyogre that much more powerful than Ho-oh and Lugia?). I'd say their powers and range of influence are just made "cooler", and I doubt Game Freak would be at a loss for that-- Many other fundamental aspects of the universe still have no legendary pokemon to call their own, like life and death. I'm not saying that this argument should be deleted from this page; after all, this is about the fandom, and many fans have the opinion "ARceuS Is gOD!!!1! ZOmG GameFreaKs caNT FoLlow Taht up!!!1!!!!!111!"
I just think it should be rephrased, maybe as "Some people argue that because Arceus created the Pokemon world, Gamefreak would have difficulty making a more awesome pokemon next generation in order to maintain interest in the franchise." Something like that. Any thoughts? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree, who said, in the current generation, there has to be stronger pokémon then the last.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::The whole article is fanspeculation. It is a valid argument, and I've rephrased the whole entire section to make it somewhat more encyclopedic. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Wow, that's much better. Even I couldn't have phrased it that well! Thanks! --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I dont think that arceus is directly referred to as a god but his ability to create the three dietic dragons and the three lake gaurdians make his ability '''DIVINE'''(like all other legendaries), so there's no point of dubbing him as a god. And that would be offensive to religions, so nintendo would've thought of that point before approving of arceus'release to the fourth generation.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:It is not stated as such any more. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

::I believe somewhere in Gen IV they mention people worshipping Dialga, Palkia, and Arceus as gods. It might be Cynthia's grannie I'm thinking of, but she says that Dialga and Palkia were "revered as dieties" or something like that. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

that is exactly what i'm saying, 'revered as dieties' but not actual gods, but actually the sinnoh myth is based on shinto which might possibly have been confusing for the pokémon community.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

:But diety refers to gods, or somthing/someone on the level of a god. If you can find a meaning that's different, then please do. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::I'm no longer arguing that it isn't a "god" (as the word itself is quite vague. All I was saying is that the assumption that Game Freak won't be able to come up with something more powerful, as well as the assumption that they have to with each new generation, are both misconceptions. And again, as this is about the fandom's opinion, and many are of the belief that Nintendo has to do both of these things to make a new generation (and that they couldn't if they wanted to), I think the amended wording suits it fine. {{unsigned|AndyPKMN}}
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== page is messed up ==

I suggest rearranging the page into several sections or put into a table--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

== um..... ==

there could be a future Generation starting off at Route 49 getting rid of that LONG gap between [[Route 48]] and [[Route 101]]--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 17:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

if the gap between routes complete a full number sequence, that means that between johto and hoenn there are most probably two generations, between hoenn and sinnoh there are about four generations, of course if I take this ''if each region has about 27 playable routes'', of course its an assumption but good point to be mentioned if the numbering counts. yet there's the problem of the pokémon world's route numbering system which could exist as some kind of government policy, if it exists.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

:Not to mention that, if a new generation's [[country]] includes a route number starting right after the last route number of another country, that would heavily imply that said other country is accessible in the game. For example, if [[Generation V]]'s country were to begin at Route 49, that would imply that at least [[Johto]] is accessible in the main games of that generation. [[Hoenn]] began at 101, [[Sinnoh]] began at 201, and the [[Sevii Islands]] did not number their routes, all to avoid these implications.

:(For the record, yes, there is a precedent for [[Route 47]] going west from {{ci|Cianwood}} when [[Route 46]] is on the eastern side of the country. The precedent is [[Kanto]]'s [[Route 24]], north of {{ci|Cerulean}} while [[Route 23]] is on the west side of the country.) {{unsigned|Shiningpikablu252}}

:um... what's a precedent?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 02:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
::and I still say that they can fix that long @$$ gap between Johto and Hoenn's region number's without making Johto accessible. The excuse? A land Bridge between Johto and Hypothetical Generation V region that vanished over time.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 02:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
There could also be no more Pokémon games. The moral of the story is we base our information on the trends of recent games, not what a handful of fans think is possible. Because anything's possible. Even an elephant bird (ten points for getting the reference). —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

true. But there are some people (like me) that are insane about Pokémon. If the series is stopped we will band togéther to attack nintendo. There's still SO much Nintendo can put into Pokémon. And besides it makes them money. I don't think they'll end it yet.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 02:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

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== ??? ==

Should we mention that TPCi hinted at a next generation on Twitter in the article?--[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(離す)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 02:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
:Nevermind, Trom protected the page 'cos he wants to rewrite it.--[[User:Pokelova|''ポケモン恋人'']][[User talk:Pokelova|''(離す)'']][[Special:Contributions/Pokelova|''(貢献)'']] 02:46, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

== Protection ==

Why is this still protected? Is it because there might be other claims of Generation V? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:06, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:No, it's because I forgot to unprotect it. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:39, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

== Rewrite ==

I largely agree with trom's reasoning that we needed to rewrite this page, but am concerned that we are losing a lot of information by doing this transition so suddenly. I certainly feel that any of the "evidence" sections, we retain on other pages, and that it's easy to find on those pages. As for the format, I'd advocate a few more bulleted lists, as I think it is easier to pick out on the page than a whole load of prose to wade through. I know you had good intentions though trom :) [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 19:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:If you feel I removed anything of importance, then feel free to put it back in. I did think that some items listed were overtrivialised, so I took them out. As for the format, the sections with paragraphs is generally preferred for overall article quality. Thanks for your feedback. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 11:09, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::Okay so I agree that most articles should have sections and paragraphs, but I contest that this is a "normal" article. It reads more like a list, which has been converted to a formatted article (which incidentally is basically what has happened). Perhaps instead, some of this content should be migrated to a "List of patterns common to all Pokémon games" and then merely referenced from this article? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 18:43, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:::This page was better before the rewrite. Put the evidence back in. [[User:Emyunoxious|Emyunoxious]] 01:38, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
::::No, I disagree; it looks much cleaner and more professional now, while the old version was fairly jumbled. If you want to add old information, at least put it in a more organized manner than before. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 05:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Distortion World

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Nobody777:

For the animated picture of the torn world above Mt. Coronet, where is that from? It says skip in the corner, so I'm guessing a website?--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 04:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
:What are you talking about? The picture's neither animated nor says "skip" anywhere.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

This one here, which is on the article page.

[[Image:Montecorona13jun08.gif]]

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 06:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah... there's nothing there. That image isn't animated, and there's no text in any corner, at least not large enough to be seen. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 07:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Animated...drawn...art...I don't care what it is called. On the [[Sinnoh]] page this picture has the word skipped in it.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 09:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
:...well, then, maybe you should've brought it up on ''that'' page or at least said this in the first place. And yes, it's from the website.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 15:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
::Probably some kind of opening sequence one can skip. And... animated and drawn are two very, ''very'' different things. Animated indicates that there's at least some motion. That image is quite static. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 17:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

== Reverse World?==
Is the Torn World in Pokemon Platinum the same place as the [[Reverse World]] in the Movie or is that a completely different place?
They were both depicted as Giratina's Domain, so are they?
:No. We have no official proof that they are one and the same as the only way to access the Reverse World is to go to Spear PIllar and the Torn World can be accessed everywhere. That, and we still don't have proof so don't jump to conclusions. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''12:50 21 Aug 2008'''''

:According to [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]] (00:23:17), [[Mugen]] said that Reverse World simply speaking is Distortion World.--[[User:Swampert|Swampert]] 12:40, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

==Locations?==
If a Giratina from Platinum (or any Pokemon obtained in any new location) is traded to an English Diamond and Pearl, where will it say it came from in the memo? Unlike earlier generations, where it was only in English, in which they took the name of the location that it said on the memo in the game it came from (thus if it was hacked, then it could say anything) this generation allows trading across the world, and just says the English equivalent. As Nintendo of America was not working on Platinum during the production of Diamond and Pearl (or maybe Japan didn't even THINK of Platinum back then, so even in Japan, unless they worked it the way they did in Gen. 3, or rewire it like they did for the Berry glitch fix, this problem would crop up), there will BE NO equivalent, (besides, if there were, then hackers would have discovered it like they did with the Johto thing: see [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remakes]]) so unless Nintendo rewires the games like they did for the Berry glitch fix, there's no telling what could happen! [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 16:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
:If they rewire the games, people will be suspicious, unless they do it in Japan for the reason explained in one of the earlier parentheses. OR MAYBE Nintendo of America planned this and made an extra in Shadows of Almia (which notably isn't coming out in America until AFTER Platinum comes out) to fix it like they did in FR/LG for the Berry glitch, but what if someone gets one of those Giratina in a trade on the GTS before that? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] 16:07, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
::Well, only one way to find out. Porygon-Z, I choose you! Trade me your Origin Forme Giratina as soon as you get it, for my Another Forme Giratina! Then... Origin Forme-ize mine to see if it works and then we'll trade back. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I used an Action Replay code that I found on a cheat website to get a shiny Spiritomb, and it says that it was caught in Space World. I used to figure that that could be an indication that Nintendo planned another Spaceworld event sometime in the near future, but now I'm starting to think that it may be the English name for the Torn World. Probably not, since that would mean people knew about Platinum long before it was announced, but who knows? I'll try to get a picture of it sometime soon. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:18, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Here: [http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/sophia__star/Pokemon%20Screenshots/Summary%20Screens/?action=view&current=DSCN2440.jpg] -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 22:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Just recieved a Platinum Giratina from the GTS. In D/P, the location is shown as 'Faraway place'. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 16:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Odd. Which brings me to wonder: what does the Sudowoodo from the Battle Frontier or a Smeargle from Artisan Cave say in RS? Obviously something caught on Route 101 says Route 101 like they do between RS games. But would it say Battle ''Tower''? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::No. It would say Artisan Cave. In Gen. III, the location names are copied with trades, like I said. So if a Pokemon was hacked to come from, say, "Lala Land," then when it is traded it will say, "Lala Land."
:::::::What are you talking about? If a Pokemon from, say, FR/LG is traded to R/S, the location shows up as 'Met in a trade' because R/S doesn't recognize Kanto location data. For example, the Lugia in this picture, which was traded from XD to LeafGreen: [http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/sophia__star/Pokemon%20Screenshots/Summary%20Screens/?action=view&current=DSCN2141.jpg] LeafGreen doesn't recognize Citadark Isle as a valid location, so it uses a location that it knows. The same appears to be true for Gen IV. -- [[User:Umbee|Umbee]] 14:53, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

==Name?==
The issue of Nintendo Official Magazine dated October, calls this the "Ruined World". Should we change this? [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 09:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:"Ruined" is just as accurate, so yes, probably...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
::What region is that magazine released in? Either way, this sounds as official as "Mikli Cup". --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:::The United Kingdom. (Uh...Mikli Cup...?)--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Australian magazine pretty much gave away every DP episode up to 100. However they called the Wallace (''Mikuri'') Cup the "Mikli" cup. Likely a poor transliteration of Mikuri by those who have no fricking idea who any of Pokémon's characters are, but still. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== Magnetic Zones ==
Someone with Platinum should confirm if Mt. Coronet extends to the Ruined World - by battling and beating Giratina in the Ruined World (albeit not saving of course) with a Nosepass or Magneton which needs at least the Giratina-amount of Exp. to level up. I'm mentioning this on the Spear Pillar talk page as well. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 03:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:Rare Candy works just as well... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:23, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::Doesn't the entrance to Ruined World lay in [[Turnback Cave]]?--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 04:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:::TTEchidna, didn't think of that. But to Tavisourse, Turnback Cave lets you return to the Ruined World - albeit a new part of it with the Platinum Orb. Giratina's area of the Ruined World is reached from the Spear Pillar. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 04:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::On second thought, because it's also reachable from Turnback Cave, it's probably not an extension of the Magnetic Zone. However, the game could have two different Ruined World areas programed, since it's a different part of the Ruined World when you go to it by Turnback Cave entrance. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 05:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Anyone wanna test it? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Different name? ==

I found this image recently...
It claims the name of the area is really called "the Torn Dungeon"
[http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s181/cds39/skann0002-8.jpg]
... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 04:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm... This may prove difficult. Any release dates mentioned yet? March? Please? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
::Has anywhere in a Pokémon game been called a "dungeon" properly. I know Cerulean Cave was often called the Uknown Dungeon prior to FireRed and Leaf Green.. So far, we've seen two different possible English names. Ruined World, as I stated above.. now this. In honest, I'd wait until the game sees an English release before moving it again.
::As another note to above. Isn't a dungeon a cold stone place? There is blatantly a sky visible when going through that piece of crazy. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 10:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Distortion World ==

Someone with the power to, please move this from Ruined World to Distortion World. That's the official English title. Where did this Ruined World business come from anyhow? Seems Nintendo can change its mind at anytime. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 15:55, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

:Circuit City is not a suitable source for the name. Until another source, one which is more reliable, uses the name Distortion World, the article stays where it is. That's why it was protected. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 15:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

::I agree. Where did this Ruined World business come from? [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 20:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

:::Exactly.Who says that the place is ruined?It's just a change gravity and the laws of Physics.[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie Legend]] 10:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
::::"Ruined World" came from a Nintendo magazine from back before the official press releases. And ask the Japanese why it's ruined, they made up the name.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== Why you can walk on walls... ==

Well, Dialga controls the one temporal dimension of this universe, and Palkia controls the three spacial ones... what if Giratina controlled the fourth spacial dimension, and the fact that Lucas/Dawn goes around walking on walls is only an illusion because we can't see/render four-dimensional objects, only a three-dimensional projection of them. A {{wp|tesseract}}'s an object whose sides are all cubes, like a cube's sides are all squares and a square's are all lines. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:Bit of an abstract concept don't you think? Little bit more likely that physics there just operate on a different level, such as gravity being directional. In that case, Giratina would ''distort'' reality, which fits in more with it's background info, as well as the potential name from Circuit City. Besides that, there really not a whole lot of evidence for Giratina controling a fifth dimension. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 02:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::It makes sense to me. And Giratina controlling a fourth spatial dimension makes more sense than most other theories I've heard, given how Palkia gets the other three and Dialga the temporal dimension. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]][[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]][[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 13:20, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

== Ruined World? ==
Yeah, I read that this name was in a Nintendo Magazine. But now we have at least three English names for this place (Ruined World, Torn Dungeon and Distortion World). I think we should move the page to the official name we have yet ''Torn World''. I am doubting of this ''Ruined World'', until a very official page or magazine confirms the name. I don't think that we should trust on a magazine ''before'' an official listing. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 00:09, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:Distortion World comes from the circuit city page, which was states as unreliable above. Torn World/Dungeon comes from a translation of the Japanese name. Ruined World was used in the official Nintendo magazine in the UK. As a result, Ruined World is the most reliable translation from a Nintendo source so far. The name will likely change with the US Platinum release, which won't take long to gather if Japanese save files {{tt|are compatible|Very likely they are}} with the US version. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 22:10, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== Dear Sysop... ==
(the section for edits you --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 17:09, 18 December 2008 (UTC)want the sysops that can edit to make)

Dear Sysop, I would like you to note on the page that while the entrances to this dimension are in Sinnoh, it is actually not part of Sinnoh at all, rather that the areas that the player visits are parallel with Sinnoh. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 16:23, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

==Cynthia?==
The artwork shows cynthia? Does she come to the runined world with you?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:David aipom|David aipom]] ([[User talk:David aipom|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/David aipom|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Cynthia enters with the player. In fact, the player meets her at Spear Pillar before entering. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 22:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

== [[Distortion World]] ==

According to [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nintendo_announces_English-language_Pok%C3%A9mon_Platinum this page], it's going to be called the Distortion World. Could an admin move it please since it's protected? ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 20:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Mt. Coronet ==

I guess it's a silly question, but is the Distortion World considered part of Mt. Coronet by the game? That is, do Magneton and Nosepass evolve if leveled up within? On that note, both sides of the Distortion world would have to be checked: the one you enter while chasing Cyrus, and the one you enter after becoming Champion. --[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 17:09, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

:I checked the Turnback Cave side by using a Rare Candy on Nosepass; it didn't level up. I'll check the Cyrus side. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 03:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

I'm requesting an edit. Please put the images other than the infobox one into a gallery. Having them spread around the page shoves the text too much in some places. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 01:50 12/20/2008

I also request that all the "Another Formes" on this page be changed to Altered Forme, because that is the official name. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 19:54, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Plat. Orb area==

I'd like to mention that the area by where the platinum orb is is another Gitatina capture spot, in incase you missed it the first time.

[[User:Metalucario]]
:Are you trying to say that you can go back to where Giratina already was to get the Platinum Orb in-case you missed it? You have to beat the Elite 4 and then go back before you even have a chance to get it at all. [[User:Ryuartyi|Ryuartyi]] 01:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

No. I saw this in a video. North of the platinum orb is a seris of floating platforms like in the larger area where you can catch attempt to catch it again. [[User:Metalucario]]12:39, 23 Feb 2009

== Map ==

How will you do the map of this place? First time here: wherever you entered from Mt. Coronet (four choices). After Elite Four: Turnback Cave. Total of five. *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 08:42, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

==Slight error?==
I checked the map when I first entered the Distortion World chasing Cyrus.
For some reason, my location was:
"Route 208:
A lush field of grass spreads from Mt. Coronet's sheer rock face, creating a vista of contrasts."
Shouldn't this be in the article? I mean, it's surely a error of some sort. [[User:Team Hyper|Team Hyper]] 15:38, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:No... any time you go into Mt. Coronet, it keeps the map on the last route you were on before you entered. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
::Again, no, It only does that when you reach the PEAK of Mt. Coronet, and it kinda makes sense for it to do that with the Distortion World, as it ''DISTORTS'' your location. --[[User:Sting the Trainer|Sting the Trainer]] 23:27, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Distortion World in Diamond/Pearl ==

In the begining of the game when it is doing the report of the red gyarodos the screen shows mount coronet with a dark cloud overhead. This looks a lot like the screenshot that is at the top of this page. Is this trivial worthy considering you can't enter this place in d/p. --[[User:Landfish7| Land]][[User talk:Landfish7|fish]][[User talk:Landfish7|7]] 17:13, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:No. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:29, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== Burmy ==

Does anyone know how it will evolve if you level it up against giratina in here? I'd check myself, but I don't have Platinum and my brother refuses to not capture giratina, even without saving it.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I am the Void 00:37, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:Don't know, but I think it will retain its previous form anytime in Distortion World. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 00:41, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
::That was my hunch too, but I wanted to confirm it before putting it on burmy's page.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] I am the Void 00:49, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

either that it will evolve to the cloak of where it last was or the game crashes, since crashing means that something that was not supposed to happen happens, although i'll say it will evolve to its previous cloak. but tests must be taken.
--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 09:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Core series/Archive 1

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==Routes==

I'm not so sure that a Gen V game ''has'' to start its Route numbering system from 301 just because Hoenn and Sinnoh use a similar method. A Gen V or so game could actually link two previously known regions. There are still Routes 47-100 and Routes 135-200 still unaccounted for. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

:Indeed. Not only is there no precedent or fundamental reason to believe it will be the case, the contrary is more likely to occur. Hoenn and Sinnoh are based on Kyushu and Hokkaido, respectively, which are the only islands in Japan - other than Honshu - arguably big enough to be adapted as regions. By this I am suggesting that Generation V is more likely to revisit Honshu, of which there are plenty of as-yet unexplored territories. If that were to happen, the numbering system would no doubt pick up from Route 47, regardless of whether Kanto or Johto were included in the game.

:Some might also argue that Shikoku, which is another Japanese island, is not too small to serve as the basis of a new region. Supposing that they had a point, the numbering system would still be likely to pick up either from Route 47 or Route 135, due to Shikoku's proximity to both Honshu (in particular the area encompassed in Johto) and Kyushu.

:Those are really the only possibilities involving Japan, and the pattern does suggest that Generation V will be based there. It is important to remember that the transition to Hoenn and then to Sinnoh entailed exploring new territories far enough from previous regions. Now that both Hoenn and Sinnoh are familiar places, that can no longer be done within Japan. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's more to discourage people from being "LOL JOTOE IZ IN RUBBY N SAFIRE" and "LOL HOEN IZ IN DAIMIND N PERL". Though I do agree, they could go and hit whatever's north of Kanto and Johto next time around... the problem would be whether or not to link back to those two or not to. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::They should just go ahead and create a 3-D console game like the Orre series and have all the known game regions present. At least the main series regions. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

==Pikachu==
The article mentions Pikachu and Raichu being in Generation Five's regional dex, because it has been like that in all previous generations. What about the evolutionary lines of {{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Abra}}, {{p|Zubat}} (minus {{p|Crobat}}), {{p|Machop}}, {{p|Psyduck}}, and {{p|Goldeen}}? They've all been present in every game, so why not mention them too? --[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 17:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:I think only Pikachu is mentioned because it's the "mascot" of the series. It has more of a probability of being in the next game. Then again, {{p|Magikarp}} and {{p|Tentacool}} are also mentioned... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::If the next Generation of Pokémon games didn't have the Pikachu family in them I don't think anyone would buy them!- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::of course they would buy them. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 18:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
== Eeveelutions? ==

Is it possible that 2 new eeveelutions will be introduced when you consider Gen II and IV both introduced 2 new eeveelutions each (Espeon & Umbreon and Leafeon and Glaceon)?[[User:BlueGasMask|BlueGasMask]] 01:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:what about Gen III? none. so, no. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::If we see new ones in Gen V, I'd bet on a couple more in Gen VI, but until we have a pattern we ought not. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::If the Eeveelutions "pattern" continued in Gen V, then we would either see no new Eeveelutions (Gen II added 2, Gen III added none, Gen IV added 2) or only a Dragon-type Eeveelution (as all of Eevee's current evolved forms are types that were considered "Special" prior to Gen IV; technically, however, this would break the pattern, as only 1 new "Special"-type would be introduced, rather than the usual 2). Hopefully they will begin to create Eeveelutions based off of the types that were previously "Physical"; I'd really like to see a Steel, Fighting, or Ghost-type Eeveelution (Bug...not so much). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
::::If they do invent new Eeveelutions I dread to think how unimaginative their names will be! There will probably be a Dragon-type one called Drageon or something. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::::How about Dracoleon? Draco IS greek for Dragon. -[[User:The REAL Dialga|The REAL Dialga]] 15:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Scince today there was the hinting of Generation V Pokémon, should a Generation V article be made to confirm the release of more to the story? ----digletdude
:That's what I'm thinking. We might need to start one out. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 21:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::I was about to say the same thing...I just realized it.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 03:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::: Maybe no now, we have to wait. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 05:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::: We need an article for it, for sure, but there is no information whatsoever ''about'' it. At this point, all it'd be is speculation, which is rather pointless in the grand scheme of things. Either speculation or a couple of sentences about the picture.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 03:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::: Well, I for one, say that we wait untill this 'new' Pokémon actually makes its debut --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 03:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or ,maybe just redirect? If that doesn't happen already, that is. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 10:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Turns out to be pichu, guess we dont need a generation V article after all. ----digletdude
:::::::And I had it all prepared, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

<big>YAY, I LOVE PICHU MORE THEN EVER NOW,</big> if they started introducing gen 5, it would seriously limit chacnes of GSDS.

SO PICHU WE LOVE YOU!! --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:That was my main worry too! I was so relieved when I found out it was Pichu! Although, it seems strange that they'd block out this Pichu unless it was of importance. Perhaps its Ash's Pikachu's child! [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 17:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

That would be brilliant. [s]And he could give it to me.[/s] And it could know Volt Tackle and then go with Ash's Pikachu to use Double Volt Tackle killing off Arceus.

But what I think it is, is remember Dialga controls time, so could end up taking Ash and gang to the past. So maybe its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

No, anime is Pokémon's biggest marketing tool and Pichu was a Gen II Pokémon. I have a funny feeling the GSDS is on the way. But those ear markings are odd, like its Pichu's other form . -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Y cant our points both be correct. Its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu, and they are using it to advertise GSDS. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

I guess so. Either way, its still very mysterious. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

There WILL be a next Generation of Pokemon. In a GameInformer issue they had an interveiw with one of the Diamond/Pearl creators and confirmed it.- LolBot, # 18:10:56 (UTC)

==The system==
In the article it states that the games of the new generation came out on the newest Nintendo handheld system. considering that the DSi is coming out soon, should this rapid the chances of Gen 5 coming out sooner, or delaying it waiting for the next, next handheld system like we waited for the DS Lite handheld? Ths proves that the new Gen did not came out on the next Handheld sytem-or did I read it wrong...[[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 22:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:Most people don't interpret the DSi as a new system, simply another upgrade to the DS. We don't even know if there'll be DSi-exclusive games yet; if so, they'd probably only be so for using the camera or something, not because they're too powerful for a vanilla DS. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]([[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]])[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 22:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::Like, they didn't create a new Pokémon game for the Game Boy SP, the games that came out after it(FrLg and Emerald) wer for the GBA. The same is going to go for the DS and the DSi. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 20:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Quality of this article ==

Isn't good. It isn't up to any standard of quality. It reads more like an editorial or some other kind of opinion piece than an encyclopedic one. Given that, what can we do to fix it? I think we can only really say that nothing has been announced, yet. -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 05:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
: Stale Comment reply!: Right now, all it is is a list of things we know will happen or we think will happen. We might add a couple of pictures, but I can see how it would be hard to incorporate them. But with the latest news, it looks like we're not seeing Gen V games until mid-late 2010 in Japan, and early-mid 2011 everywhere else. However, by August of this year, we'll most likely have at least the {{p|Munchlax}} of Gen V and we can pretty much copy this article over to a rough Gen V page. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 17:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::This article is basically a list of patterns through the game series and that's all it ever can be. As I said below, actual Gen V information would go on the Gen V pages. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

== (Very!) Random Trivia ==

I've noticed something very interesting about the introduction of new Generations. One or more Pokémon from the next Generation are always revealed in the movie that features the last Pokémon in the current Generation. This has happened three times, and could well happen again:
*Pokémon the First Movie - Features Mewtwo and Mew, the last Gen I Pokémon - Introduces Marill, Snubbull and Donphan
*Pokémon 4ever - Features Celebi, the last Gen II Pokémon - Introduces Wailmer and Azurill
*Destiny Deoxys - Features Deoxys, the last Gen III Pokémon - Introduces Munchlax
In the first two cases, those were not the first Pokémon of the new Gen to be revealed, and most of them were in Pikachu shorts, but it's still quite an interesting thing to note. If this pattern continues, then there could be one or more Gen V Pokémon in the twelfth movie (or its Pikachu short), as it features Arceus, the last Gen IV Pokémon. Is this worth mentioning in the article, or is it just useless trivia? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not worth mentioning if they weren't the first, but that does seem to be good research. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 20:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::Worth it in my opinion, although most people already believe at least one will appear. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 20:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::So the movie's out tomorrow and we haven't heard anything. There goes that pattern. I was honestly expecting the pattern to be second movie in a generation but for whatever reason Nintendo are staying silent on the Gen V front for now. Might be the new policy of not revealing too much until it's almost done or might just be them dragging out the time between new gens. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Actually, the time it took Nintendo to reveal the Gen IV Pokémon was ridiculous (at least two years wasn't it?). I'd rather they just revealed them all within a space of a few months. Surely there ''has'' to be Gen V Pokémon in the thirteenth movie... [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

==Location?==
Heres something I noticed Kanto seems to be the centre with Johto to the west, Hoenn to the south and Sinnoh to the north. This suggests that gen 5 will be to the east of Kanto to me. [[User:Psycho Mick|Psycho Mick]] 23:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:Take a look at [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|the main picture of the article]]. There's nothing to the east of Kanto. This should belong on the forums anyway. '''~ overgrown'''[[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]] 23:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Idea ==

I just noticed something that I don't think is there. My theory is, if there is a game set in generation five, they will have a trio and if they make a generation six then there will be the trio's master in those games. Just look here;
Gen I: Birds,
Gen II: Lugia,
Gen III: Regis,
Gen IV: Regigigas.

Does anyone agree with me?
--[[User:KelsUsedSplash|KelsUsedSplash]] 01:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea, I think that should be mentioned!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 01:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
::Two cases isn't a pattern. Note that the trios of Gen II and Gen IV had their masters introduced in the same generation. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:::So maybe that pattern will carry on!
:::I: Trio
:::II: Trio and two trio masters.
:::III: Trio
:::IV: Trio and two trio masters
:::V: Trio
:::VI: Trio and two trio masters
:::--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 05:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And if it does, we can say that after Gen VI comes out. But based on the data we have right now, we can't call it a pattern. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Magnemite ==
If Magnemite's included, why not Rhyhorn?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 17:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==Generation 5 Spoiler?==
I have no clue if this is correct so I wanted to run it by you guys. Here is the link for the place I found it. 
http://tinyurl.com/r9hmlx 
I promise you it isn't anything bad, I'm not that kind of person, nor that dumb. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 06:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't trust it it's full of bullshit. Something you may expect from the trolls at Y!A--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 06:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

::Exactly. Girtoo thats funny. Anyways untill we get the proof , this will be spectaculation and so we cant put it here. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 06:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Alright guys thanks a bunch. I didn't think they would finish the pokemon games without giving Eevee all of the types evolutions. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 18:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah, the ol' "my [insert family member here] works on [insert game here] and told me exclusive information" BS. It's always 100% fake. Also, when we do get info from reliable sources, it would go on the relevant Gen V pages rather than here. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm wondering what could be the artwork of the new Eeveelutions, i think ZYPIN would be cool if it is confirmed....same goes with the other Regi-form..we cant trust maybe GEN.5 pokedex will appear before the Diamond and Pearl series ends..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 09:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Make it already! ==
I'm getting really mad. I will blow up it someone don't type an article about G5 in 5...4...3...2...1....1 1/2...1 1/4...1 1/8... just someone make and article for my sake!!!!--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 13:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:Uhh... dude. No confirmation of generation. No article. Calm down and go and do something else. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

== Well I kinda notice something. ==

Before a new generation starts, the last movie in the generation involves water.
Movie 2-Lugia Generation 1
Movie 5-Lati@s Generation 2
Movie 9-Manaphy Generation 3
Only guessing Movie 13-Lugia Generation 4
It's not that big of trivia or anything, I just noticed it.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 11:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:Lati@s aren't Water. Their [[Psychic (type)|Psychic]] /[[Flying (type)|Flying]]. You've also have to take into account, MB, that movie 13 hasn't been cofirmed to star Lugia (or that it'll be the last gen. IV movie, for that matter). [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']]

::MB said that they ''involve'' water, not that the main Pokémon are Water-types. But still. That isn't something that should go in. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:::@ShinyPikachu: Um. Lati@s are {{t|Dragon}}/{{t|Psychic}}. '''[[User:E-123 Ω|E-123]] - [[User talk:E-123 Ω|Ω]] [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=27033 ナックルズ]''' 22:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

==About Arceus==

"The legendary pokemon are more powerful in new generations. With Arceus as the god Pokemon of the universe, it would be hard to make a stronger one."
I HATE this argument. Just because it is credited with creating everything does NOT make it omnipotent, or unsurpassable in any other way. Technically, it's only been known to do one thing, and that's creating other pokemon (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf) which in turn did all the work of creating the universe. And it's arguable that legendary pokemon are mor powerful in each generation (until Arceus, I don't think even the base stats of them were ever improved upon much-- are Groudon and Kyogre that much more powerful than Ho-oh and Lugia?). I'd say their powers and range of influence are just made "cooler", and I doubt Game Freak would be at a loss for that-- Many other fundamental aspects of the universe still have no legendary pokemon to call their own, like life and death. I'm not saying that this argument should be deleted from this page; after all, this is about the fandom, and many fans have the opinion "ARceuS Is gOD!!!1! ZOmG GameFreaKs caNT FoLlow Taht up!!!1!!!!!111!"
I just think it should be rephrased, maybe as "Some people argue that because Arceus created the Pokemon world, Gamefreak would have difficulty making a more awesome pokemon next generation in order to maintain interest in the franchise." Something like that. Any thoughts? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree, who said, in the current generation, there has to be stronger pokémon then the last.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::The whole article is fanspeculation. It is a valid argument, and I've rephrased the whole entire section to make it somewhat more encyclopedic. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Wow, that's much better. Even I couldn't have phrased it that well! Thanks! --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I dont think that arceus is directly referred to as a god but his ability to create the three dietic dragons and the three lake gaurdians make his ability '''DIVINE'''(like all other legendaries), so there's no point of dubbing him as a god. And that would be offensive to religions, so nintendo would've thought of that point before approving of arceus'release to the fourth generation.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:It is not stated as such any more. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

::I believe somewhere in Gen IV they mention people worshipping Dialga, Palkia, and Arceus as gods. It might be Cynthia's grannie I'm thinking of, but she says that Dialga and Palkia were "revered as dieties" or something like that. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

that is exactly what i'm saying, 'revered as dieties' but not actual gods, but actually the sinnoh myth is based on shinto which might possibly have been confusing for the pokémon community.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

:But diety refers to gods, or somthing/someone on the level of a god. If you can find a meaning that's different, then please do. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::I'm no longer arguing that it isn't a "god" (as the word itself is quite vague. All I was saying is that the assumption that Game Freak won't be able to come up with something more powerful, as well as the assumption that they have to with each new generation, are both misconceptions. And again, as this is about the fandom's opinion, and many are of the belief that Nintendo has to do both of these things to make a new generation (and that they couldn't if they wanted to), I think the amended wording suits it fine. {{unsigned|AndyPKMN}}
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== page is messed up ==

I suggest rearranging the page into several sections or put into a table--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

== Legendary pixes and the DS rumor. ==

1) Apparently this thought came to me; what if the fifth generation has a leader for the legendary pixies, like how the other trios have a leader (Lugia, Ho-oH, and Regigigas) of their own?

2) There is speculation going on the internet that a supposedly new DSi successor will appear in the TGS of late 2010. Apparently so, this may confirm the possibility of a fifth generation and the availability to trade in fourth gen Pokes within the game since it will have backwards compatibility. {{Unsigned|Piplup}}

1) the lake trio ''do'' actually have a master...Arceus!!.

2) the DSi is not a new console but an extension to an old one, there are no major differences between it and the DS.
nintendo can mass produce additional pieces to already existing hardware, and using wi-fi it can update software like when some glitches are replaced.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

== um..... ==

there could be a future Generation starting off at Route 49 getting rid of that LONG gap between [[Route 48]] and [[Route 101]]--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 17:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

if the gap between routes complete a full number sequence, that means that between johto and hoenn there are most probably two generations, between hoenn and sinnoh there are about four generations, of course if I take this ''if each region has about 27 playable routes'', of course its an assumption but good point to be mentioned if the numbering counts. yet there's the problem of the pokémon world's route numbering system which could exist as some kind of government policy, if it exists.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Core series/Archive 1

2009-10-19T13:43:50Z

Nobody777:

==Routes==

I'm not so sure that a Gen V game ''has'' to start its Route numbering system from 301 just because Hoenn and Sinnoh use a similar method. A Gen V or so game could actually link two previously known regions. There are still Routes 47-100 and Routes 135-200 still unaccounted for. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

:Indeed. Not only is there no precedent or fundamental reason to believe it will be the case, the contrary is more likely to occur. Hoenn and Sinnoh are based on Kyushu and Hokkaido, respectively, which are the only islands in Japan - other than Honshu - arguably big enough to be adapted as regions. By this I am suggesting that Generation V is more likely to revisit Honshu, of which there are plenty of as-yet unexplored territories. If that were to happen, the numbering system would no doubt pick up from Route 47, regardless of whether Kanto or Johto were included in the game.

:Some might also argue that Shikoku, which is another Japanese island, is not too small to serve as the basis of a new region. Supposing that they had a point, the numbering system would still be likely to pick up either from Route 47 or Route 135, due to Shikoku's proximity to both Honshu (in particular the area encompassed in Johto) and Kyushu.

:Those are really the only possibilities involving Japan, and the pattern does suggest that Generation V will be based there. It is important to remember that the transition to Hoenn and then to Sinnoh entailed exploring new territories far enough from previous regions. Now that both Hoenn and Sinnoh are familiar places, that can no longer be done within Japan. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's more to discourage people from being "LOL JOTOE IZ IN RUBBY N SAFIRE" and "LOL HOEN IZ IN DAIMIND N PERL". Though I do agree, they could go and hit whatever's north of Kanto and Johto next time around... the problem would be whether or not to link back to those two or not to. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::They should just go ahead and create a 3-D console game like the Orre series and have all the known game regions present. At least the main series regions. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

==Pikachu==
The article mentions Pikachu and Raichu being in Generation Five's regional dex, because it has been like that in all previous generations. What about the evolutionary lines of {{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Abra}}, {{p|Zubat}} (minus {{p|Crobat}}), {{p|Machop}}, {{p|Psyduck}}, and {{p|Goldeen}}? They've all been present in every game, so why not mention them too? --[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 17:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:I think only Pikachu is mentioned because it's the "mascot" of the series. It has more of a probability of being in the next game. Then again, {{p|Magikarp}} and {{p|Tentacool}} are also mentioned... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::If the next Generation of Pokémon games didn't have the Pikachu family in them I don't think anyone would buy them!- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::of course they would buy them. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 18:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
== Eeveelutions? ==

Is it possible that 2 new eeveelutions will be introduced when you consider Gen II and IV both introduced 2 new eeveelutions each (Espeon & Umbreon and Leafeon and Glaceon)?[[User:BlueGasMask|BlueGasMask]] 01:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:what about Gen III? none. so, no. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::If we see new ones in Gen V, I'd bet on a couple more in Gen VI, but until we have a pattern we ought not. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::If the Eeveelutions "pattern" continued in Gen V, then we would either see no new Eeveelutions (Gen II added 2, Gen III added none, Gen IV added 2) or only a Dragon-type Eeveelution (as all of Eevee's current evolved forms are types that were considered "Special" prior to Gen IV; technically, however, this would break the pattern, as only 1 new "Special"-type would be introduced, rather than the usual 2). Hopefully they will begin to create Eeveelutions based off of the types that were previously "Physical"; I'd really like to see a Steel, Fighting, or Ghost-type Eeveelution (Bug...not so much). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
::::If they do invent new Eeveelutions I dread to think how unimaginative their names will be! There will probably be a Dragon-type one called Drageon or something. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::::How about Dracoleon? Draco IS greek for Dragon. -[[User:The REAL Dialga|The REAL Dialga]] 15:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Scince today there was the hinting of Generation V Pokémon, should a Generation V article be made to confirm the release of more to the story? ----digletdude
:That's what I'm thinking. We might need to start one out. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 21:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::I was about to say the same thing...I just realized it.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 03:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::: Maybe no now, we have to wait. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 05:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::: We need an article for it, for sure, but there is no information whatsoever ''about'' it. At this point, all it'd be is speculation, which is rather pointless in the grand scheme of things. Either speculation or a couple of sentences about the picture.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 03:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::: Well, I for one, say that we wait untill this 'new' Pokémon actually makes its debut --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 03:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or ,maybe just redirect? If that doesn't happen already, that is. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 10:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Turns out to be pichu, guess we dont need a generation V article after all. ----digletdude
:::::::And I had it all prepared, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

<big>YAY, I LOVE PICHU MORE THEN EVER NOW,</big> if they started introducing gen 5, it would seriously limit chacnes of GSDS.

SO PICHU WE LOVE YOU!! --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:That was my main worry too! I was so relieved when I found out it was Pichu! Although, it seems strange that they'd block out this Pichu unless it was of importance. Perhaps its Ash's Pikachu's child! [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 17:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

That would be brilliant. [s]And he could give it to me.[/s] And it could know Volt Tackle and then go with Ash's Pikachu to use Double Volt Tackle killing off Arceus.

But what I think it is, is remember Dialga controls time, so could end up taking Ash and gang to the past. So maybe its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

No, anime is Pokémon's biggest marketing tool and Pichu was a Gen II Pokémon. I have a funny feeling the GSDS is on the way. But those ear markings are odd, like its Pichu's other form . -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Y cant our points both be correct. Its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu, and they are using it to advertise GSDS. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

I guess so. Either way, its still very mysterious. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

There WILL be a next Generation of Pokemon. In a GameInformer issue they had an interveiw with one of the Diamond/Pearl creators and confirmed it.- LolBot, # 18:10:56 (UTC)

==The system==
In the article it states that the games of the new generation came out on the newest Nintendo handheld system. considering that the DSi is coming out soon, should this rapid the chances of Gen 5 coming out sooner, or delaying it waiting for the next, next handheld system like we waited for the DS Lite handheld? Ths proves that the new Gen did not came out on the next Handheld sytem-or did I read it wrong...[[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 22:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:Most people don't interpret the DSi as a new system, simply another upgrade to the DS. We don't even know if there'll be DSi-exclusive games yet; if so, they'd probably only be so for using the camera or something, not because they're too powerful for a vanilla DS. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]([[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]])[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 22:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::Like, they didn't create a new Pokémon game for the Game Boy SP, the games that came out after it(FrLg and Emerald) wer for the GBA. The same is going to go for the DS and the DSi. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 20:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Quality of this article ==

Isn't good. It isn't up to any standard of quality. It reads more like an editorial or some other kind of opinion piece than an encyclopedic one. Given that, what can we do to fix it? I think we can only really say that nothing has been announced, yet. -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 05:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
: Stale Comment reply!: Right now, all it is is a list of things we know will happen or we think will happen. We might add a couple of pictures, but I can see how it would be hard to incorporate them. But with the latest news, it looks like we're not seeing Gen V games until mid-late 2010 in Japan, and early-mid 2011 everywhere else. However, by August of this year, we'll most likely have at least the {{p|Munchlax}} of Gen V and we can pretty much copy this article over to a rough Gen V page. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 17:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::This article is basically a list of patterns through the game series and that's all it ever can be. As I said below, actual Gen V information would go on the Gen V pages. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

== (Very!) Random Trivia ==

I've noticed something very interesting about the introduction of new Generations. One or more Pokémon from the next Generation are always revealed in the movie that features the last Pokémon in the current Generation. This has happened three times, and could well happen again:
*Pokémon the First Movie - Features Mewtwo and Mew, the last Gen I Pokémon - Introduces Marill, Snubbull and Donphan
*Pokémon 4ever - Features Celebi, the last Gen II Pokémon - Introduces Wailmer and Azurill
*Destiny Deoxys - Features Deoxys, the last Gen III Pokémon - Introduces Munchlax
In the first two cases, those were not the first Pokémon of the new Gen to be revealed, and most of them were in Pikachu shorts, but it's still quite an interesting thing to note. If this pattern continues, then there could be one or more Gen V Pokémon in the twelfth movie (or its Pikachu short), as it features Arceus, the last Gen IV Pokémon. Is this worth mentioning in the article, or is it just useless trivia? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not worth mentioning if they weren't the first, but that does seem to be good research. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 20:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::Worth it in my opinion, although most people already believe at least one will appear. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 20:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::So the movie's out tomorrow and we haven't heard anything. There goes that pattern. I was honestly expecting the pattern to be second movie in a generation but for whatever reason Nintendo are staying silent on the Gen V front for now. Might be the new policy of not revealing too much until it's almost done or might just be them dragging out the time between new gens. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Actually, the time it took Nintendo to reveal the Gen IV Pokémon was ridiculous (at least two years wasn't it?). I'd rather they just revealed them all within a space of a few months. Surely there ''has'' to be Gen V Pokémon in the thirteenth movie... [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

==Location?==
Heres something I noticed Kanto seems to be the centre with Johto to the west, Hoenn to the south and Sinnoh to the north. This suggests that gen 5 will be to the east of Kanto to me. [[User:Psycho Mick|Psycho Mick]] 23:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:Take a look at [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|the main picture of the article]]. There's nothing to the east of Kanto. This should belong on the forums anyway. '''~ overgrown'''[[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]] 23:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Idea ==

I just noticed something that I don't think is there. My theory is, if there is a game set in generation five, they will have a trio and if they make a generation six then there will be the trio's master in those games. Just look here;
Gen I: Birds,
Gen II: Lugia,
Gen III: Regis,
Gen IV: Regigigas.

Does anyone agree with me?
--[[User:KelsUsedSplash|KelsUsedSplash]] 01:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea, I think that should be mentioned!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 01:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
::Two cases isn't a pattern. Note that the trios of Gen II and Gen IV had their masters introduced in the same generation. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:::So maybe that pattern will carry on!
:::I: Trio
:::II: Trio and two trio masters.
:::III: Trio
:::IV: Trio and two trio masters
:::V: Trio
:::VI: Trio and two trio masters
:::--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 05:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And if it does, we can say that after Gen VI comes out. But based on the data we have right now, we can't call it a pattern. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Magnemite ==
If Magnemite's included, why not Rhyhorn?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 17:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==Generation 5 Spoiler?==
I have no clue if this is correct so I wanted to run it by you guys. Here is the link for the place I found it. 
http://tinyurl.com/r9hmlx 
I promise you it isn't anything bad, I'm not that kind of person, nor that dumb. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 06:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't trust it it's full of bullshit. Something you may expect from the trolls at Y!A--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 06:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

::Exactly. Girtoo thats funny. Anyways untill we get the proof , this will be spectaculation and so we cant put it here. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 06:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Alright guys thanks a bunch. I didn't think they would finish the pokemon games without giving Eevee all of the types evolutions. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 18:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah, the ol' "my [insert family member here] works on [insert game here] and told me exclusive information" BS. It's always 100% fake. Also, when we do get info from reliable sources, it would go on the relevant Gen V pages rather than here. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm wondering what could be the artwork of the new Eeveelutions, i think ZYPIN would be cool if it is confirmed....same goes with the other Regi-form..we cant trust maybe GEN.5 pokedex will appear before the Diamond and Pearl series ends..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 09:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Make it already! ==
I'm getting really mad. I will blow up it someone don't type an article about G5 in 5...4...3...2...1....1 1/2...1 1/4...1 1/8... just someone make and article for my sake!!!!--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 13:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:Uhh... dude. No confirmation of generation. No article. Calm down and go and do something else. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

== Well I kinda notice something. ==

Before a new generation starts, the last movie in the generation involves water.
Movie 2-Lugia Generation 1
Movie 5-Lati@s Generation 2
Movie 9-Manaphy Generation 3
Only guessing Movie 13-Lugia Generation 4
It's not that big of trivia or anything, I just noticed it.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 11:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:Lati@s aren't Water. Their [[Psychic (type)|Psychic]] /[[Flying (type)|Flying]]. You've also have to take into account, MB, that movie 13 hasn't been cofirmed to star Lugia (or that it'll be the last gen. IV movie, for that matter). [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']]

::MB said that they ''involve'' water, not that the main Pokémon are Water-types. But still. That isn't something that should go in. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:::@ShinyPikachu: Um. Lati@s are {{t|Dragon}}/{{t|Psychic}}. '''[[User:E-123 Ω|E-123]] - [[User talk:E-123 Ω|Ω]] [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=27033 ナックルズ]''' 22:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

==About Arceus==

"The legendary pokemon are more powerful in new generations. With Arceus as the god Pokemon of the universe, it would be hard to make a stronger one."
I HATE this argument. Just because it is credited with creating everything does NOT make it omnipotent, or unsurpassable in any other way. Technically, it's only been known to do one thing, and that's creating other pokemon (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf) which in turn did all the work of creating the universe. And it's arguable that legendary pokemon are mor powerful in each generation (until Arceus, I don't think even the base stats of them were ever improved upon much-- are Groudon and Kyogre that much more powerful than Ho-oh and Lugia?). I'd say their powers and range of influence are just made "cooler", and I doubt Game Freak would be at a loss for that-- Many other fundamental aspects of the universe still have no legendary pokemon to call their own, like life and death. I'm not saying that this argument should be deleted from this page; after all, this is about the fandom, and many fans have the opinion "ARceuS Is gOD!!!1! ZOmG GameFreaKs caNT FoLlow Taht up!!!1!!!!!111!"
I just think it should be rephrased, maybe as "Some people argue that because Arceus created the Pokemon world, Gamefreak would have difficulty making a more awesome pokemon next generation in order to maintain interest in the franchise." Something like that. Any thoughts? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree, who said, in the current generation, there has to be stronger pokémon then the last.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::The whole article is fanspeculation. It is a valid argument, and I've rephrased the whole entire section to make it somewhat more encyclopedic. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Wow, that's much better. Even I couldn't have phrased it that well! Thanks! --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I dont think that arceus is directly referred to as a god but his ability to create the three dietic dragons and the three lake gaurdians make his ability '''DIVINE'''(like all other legendaries), so there's no point of dubbing him as a god. And that would be offensive to religions, so nintendo would've thought of that point before approving of arceus'release to the fourth generation.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:It is not stated as such any more. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

::I believe somewhere in Gen IV they mention people worshipping Dialga, Palkia, and Arceus as gods. It might be Cynthia's grannie I'm thinking of, but she says that Dialga and Palkia were "revered as dieties" or something like that. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

that is exactly what i'm saying, 'revered as dieties' but not actual gods, but actually the sinnoh myth is based on shinto which might possibly have been confusing for the pokémon community.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

:But diety refers to gods, or somthing/someone on the level of a god. If you can find a meaning that's different, then please do. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::I'm no longer arguing that it isn't a "god" (as the word itself is quite vague. All I was saying is that the assumption that Game Freak won't be able to come up with something more powerful, as well as the assumption that they have to with each new generation, are both misconceptions. And again, as this is about the fandom's opinion, and many are of the belief that Nintendo has to do both of these things to make a new generation (and that they couldn't if they wanted to), I think the amended wording suits it fine. {{unsigned|AndyPKMN}}
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== page is messed up ==

I suggest rearranging the page into several sections or put into a table--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

== Legendary pixes and the DS rumor. ==

1) Apparently this thought came to me; what if the fifth generation has a leader for the legendary pixies, like how the other trios have a leader (Lugia, Ho-oH, and Regigigas) of their own?

2) There is speculation going on the internet that a supposedly new DSi successor will appear in the TGS of late 2010. Apparently so, this may confirm the possibility of a fifth generation and the availability to trade in fourth gen Pokes within the game since it will have backwards compatibility. {{Unsigned|Piplup}}

== um..... ==

there could be a future Generation starting off at Route 49 getting rid of that LONG gap between [[Route 48]] and [[Route 101]]--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 17:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

if the gap between routes complete a full number sequence, that means that between johto and hoenn there are most probably two generations, between hoenn and sinnoh there are about four generations, of course if I take this ''if each region has about 27 playable routes'', of course its an assumption but good point to be mentioned if the numbering counts. yet there's the problem of the pokémon world's route numbering system which could exist as some kind of government policy, if it exists.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Eterna City

2009-10-12T16:19:43Z

Nobody777:

no population yet? [[User:Pikachu25|Pikachu25]] 08:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
:Hasn't been put in, I assume... I'll check it out later on today, I've gotta sleep. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 09:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

== eterna statue ==

the statue is actually neither palkia nor dialga it is actually somewhat of a mi between them . the body isn't clearly seen, the wings of palkia, arms of palkia , chest is unclear but has 4 gems , the claws of something else, the head of dialga but differently designed.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:39, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

:Adding to that, even though the statue is exactly the same in each version, the description hints the statue to be of Dialga or Palkia in their respective games. (ex. Pearl: "...birth of PAL..." Diamond: "...birth of DIA...") - [[User:Legotim|█╬▓◘ ’M █╚▓█ (ţś_łєğǿŧΐм)]] [[User talk:Legotim|spreche]] 06:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
::What's gonna happen in Platinum, then... I have to wonder. Guess we'll see in 29 days. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

:::So what is it in Platinum? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 19:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

guess we will wait until english platinum comes out.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::::It's the same in Platinum as it is in Diamond and Pearl, only the plate was removed by Team Galactic so it gets no description. But if you go into the house just south of the statue and talk to the little boy there, he'll tell you what both of the inscriptions said.--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 13:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Erm, the guy mentions a third inscription once existing as well. I've tried to find it, but no luck. Oh, and in Galactic HQ, there's a notebook with both inscriptions with the faded parts restored so they can be read in their entireties. [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU! [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]] [[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]] 22:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::As far as I know, the third inscription doesn't actually exist. It's simply mentioned to foreshadow Giratina's power (after bringing it up the guy says something like "if there's a time Pokémon and a space Pokémon, how could there ever be a third? It must be incredibly powerful!" etc etc).—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

In the Special manga, the statue is a total mishmash of Dialga and Palkia. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 00:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Dual, can you bring a picture of it and post it up here. thank you.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 07:55, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not all that great at that kind of thing, sorry. I can however, give you this [http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8224/d101pg097.jpg scan] of the image in question for you to work with. It's from Ch.346, Vs. Roserade I. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 14:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

yup, that's the picture but too bad I forgot how to post a image, so please any admin post it.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 16:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Eterna City

2009-10-10T07:55:53Z

Nobody777:

Talk:Core series/Archive 1

2009-10-08T13:12:21Z

Nobody777: /* page is messed up */ new section

==Routes==

I'm not so sure that a Gen V game ''has'' to start its Route numbering system from 301 just because Hoenn and Sinnoh use a similar method. A Gen V or so game could actually link two previously known regions. There are still Routes 47-100 and Routes 135-200 still unaccounted for. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

:Indeed. Not only is there no precedent or fundamental reason to believe it will be the case, the contrary is more likely to occur. Hoenn and Sinnoh are based on Kyushu and Hokkaido, respectively, which are the only islands in Japan - other than Honshu - arguably big enough to be adapted as regions. By this I am suggesting that Generation V is more likely to revisit Honshu, of which there are plenty of as-yet unexplored territories. If that were to happen, the numbering system would no doubt pick up from Route 47, regardless of whether Kanto or Johto were included in the game.

:Some might also argue that Shikoku, which is another Japanese island, is not too small to serve as the basis of a new region. Supposing that they had a point, the numbering system would still be likely to pick up either from Route 47 or Route 135, due to Shikoku's proximity to both Honshu (in particular the area encompassed in Johto) and Kyushu.

:Those are really the only possibilities involving Japan, and the pattern does suggest that Generation V will be based there. It is important to remember that the transition to Hoenn and then to Sinnoh entailed exploring new territories far enough from previous regions. Now that both Hoenn and Sinnoh are familiar places, that can no longer be done within Japan. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's more to discourage people from being "LOL JOTOE IZ IN RUBBY N SAFIRE" and "LOL HOEN IZ IN DAIMIND N PERL". Though I do agree, they could go and hit whatever's north of Kanto and Johto next time around... the problem would be whether or not to link back to those two or not to. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::They should just go ahead and create a 3-D console game like the Orre series and have all the known game regions present. At least the main series regions. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

==Pikachu==
The article mentions Pikachu and Raichu being in Generation Five's regional dex, because it has been like that in all previous generations. What about the evolutionary lines of {{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Abra}}, {{p|Zubat}} (minus {{p|Crobat}}), {{p|Machop}}, {{p|Psyduck}}, and {{p|Goldeen}}? They've all been present in every game, so why not mention them too? --[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 17:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:I think only Pikachu is mentioned because it's the "mascot" of the series. It has more of a probability of being in the next game. Then again, {{p|Magikarp}} and {{p|Tentacool}} are also mentioned... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::If the next Generation of Pokémon games didn't have the Pikachu family in them I don't think anyone would buy them!- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::of course they would buy them. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 18:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
== Eeveelutions? ==

Is it possible that 2 new eeveelutions will be introduced when you consider Gen II and IV both introduced 2 new eeveelutions each (Espeon & Umbreon and Leafeon and Glaceon)?[[User:BlueGasMask|BlueGasMask]] 01:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:what about Gen III? none. so, no. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::If we see new ones in Gen V, I'd bet on a couple more in Gen VI, but until we have a pattern we ought not. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::If the Eeveelutions "pattern" continued in Gen V, then we would either see no new Eeveelutions (Gen II added 2, Gen III added none, Gen IV added 2) or only a Dragon-type Eeveelution (as all of Eevee's current evolved forms are types that were considered "Special" prior to Gen IV; technically, however, this would break the pattern, as only 1 new "Special"-type would be introduced, rather than the usual 2). Hopefully they will begin to create Eeveelutions based off of the types that were previously "Physical"; I'd really like to see a Steel, Fighting, or Ghost-type Eeveelution (Bug...not so much). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
::::If they do invent new Eeveelutions I dread to think how unimaginative their names will be! There will probably be a Dragon-type one called Drageon or something. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::::How about Dracoleon? Draco IS greek for Dragon. -[[User:The REAL Dialga|The REAL Dialga]] 15:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Scince today there was the hinting of Generation V Pokémon, should a Generation V article be made to confirm the release of more to the story? ----digletdude
:That's what I'm thinking. We might need to start one out. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 21:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::I was about to say the same thing...I just realized it.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 03:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::: Maybe no now, we have to wait. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 05:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::: We need an article for it, for sure, but there is no information whatsoever ''about'' it. At this point, all it'd be is speculation, which is rather pointless in the grand scheme of things. Either speculation or a couple of sentences about the picture.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 03:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::: Well, I for one, say that we wait untill this 'new' Pokémon actually makes its debut --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 03:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or ,maybe just redirect? If that doesn't happen already, that is. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 10:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Turns out to be pichu, guess we dont need a generation V article after all. ----digletdude
:::::::And I had it all prepared, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

<big>YAY, I LOVE PICHU MORE THEN EVER NOW,</big> if they started introducing gen 5, it would seriously limit chacnes of GSDS.

SO PICHU WE LOVE YOU!! --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:That was my main worry too! I was so relieved when I found out it was Pichu! Although, it seems strange that they'd block out this Pichu unless it was of importance. Perhaps its Ash's Pikachu's child! [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 17:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

That would be brilliant. [s]And he could give it to me.[/s] And it could know Volt Tackle and then go with Ash's Pikachu to use Double Volt Tackle killing off Arceus.

But what I think it is, is remember Dialga controls time, so could end up taking Ash and gang to the past. So maybe its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

No, anime is Pokémon's biggest marketing tool and Pichu was a Gen II Pokémon. I have a funny feeling the GSDS is on the way. But those ear markings are odd, like its Pichu's other form . -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Y cant our points both be correct. Its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu, and they are using it to advertise GSDS. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

I guess so. Either way, its still very mysterious. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

There WILL be a next Generation of Pokemon. In a GameInformer issue they had an interveiw with one of the Diamond/Pearl creators and confirmed it.- LolBot, # 18:10:56 (UTC)

==The system==
In the article it states that the games of the new generation came out on the newest Nintendo handheld system. considering that the DSi is coming out soon, should this rapid the chances of Gen 5 coming out sooner, or delaying it waiting for the next, next handheld system like we waited for the DS Lite handheld? Ths proves that the new Gen did not came out on the next Handheld sytem-or did I read it wrong...[[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 22:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:Most people don't interpret the DSi as a new system, simply another upgrade to the DS. We don't even know if there'll be DSi-exclusive games yet; if so, they'd probably only be so for using the camera or something, not because they're too powerful for a vanilla DS. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]([[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]])[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 22:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::Like, they didn't create a new Pokémon game for the Game Boy SP, the games that came out after it(FrLg and Emerald) wer for the GBA. The same is going to go for the DS and the DSi. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 20:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Quality of this article ==

Isn't good. It isn't up to any standard of quality. It reads more like an editorial or some other kind of opinion piece than an encyclopedic one. Given that, what can we do to fix it? I think we can only really say that nothing has been announced, yet. -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 05:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
: Stale Comment reply!: Right now, all it is is a list of things we know will happen or we think will happen. We might add a couple of pictures, but I can see how it would be hard to incorporate them. But with the latest news, it looks like we're not seeing Gen V games until mid-late 2010 in Japan, and early-mid 2011 everywhere else. However, by August of this year, we'll most likely have at least the {{p|Munchlax}} of Gen V and we can pretty much copy this article over to a rough Gen V page. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 17:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::This article is basically a list of patterns through the game series and that's all it ever can be. As I said below, actual Gen V information would go on the Gen V pages. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

== (Very!) Random Trivia ==

I've noticed something very interesting about the introduction of new Generations. One or more Pokémon from the next Generation are always revealed in the movie that features the last Pokémon in the current Generation. This has happened three times, and could well happen again:
*Pokémon the First Movie - Features Mewtwo and Mew, the last Gen I Pokémon - Introduces Marill, Snubbull and Donphan
*Pokémon 4ever - Features Celebi, the last Gen II Pokémon - Introduces Wailmer and Azurill
*Destiny Deoxys - Features Deoxys, the last Gen III Pokémon - Introduces Munchlax
In the first two cases, those were not the first Pokémon of the new Gen to be revealed, and most of them were in Pikachu shorts, but it's still quite an interesting thing to note. If this pattern continues, then there could be one or more Gen V Pokémon in the twelfth movie (or its Pikachu short), as it features Arceus, the last Gen IV Pokémon. Is this worth mentioning in the article, or is it just useless trivia? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not worth mentioning if they weren't the first, but that does seem to be good research. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 20:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::Worth it in my opinion, although most people already believe at least one will appear. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 20:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::So the movie's out tomorrow and we haven't heard anything. There goes that pattern. I was honestly expecting the pattern to be second movie in a generation but for whatever reason Nintendo are staying silent on the Gen V front for now. Might be the new policy of not revealing too much until it's almost done or might just be them dragging out the time between new gens. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Actually, the time it took Nintendo to reveal the Gen IV Pokémon was ridiculous (at least two years wasn't it?). I'd rather they just revealed them all within a space of a few months. Surely there ''has'' to be Gen V Pokémon in the thirteenth movie... [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

==Location?==
Heres something I noticed Kanto seems to be the centre with Johto to the west, Hoenn to the south and Sinnoh to the north. This suggests that gen 5 will be to the east of Kanto to me. [[User:Psycho Mick|Psycho Mick]] 23:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:Take a look at [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|the main picture of the article]]. There's nothing to the east of Kanto. This should belong on the forums anyway. '''~ overgrown'''[[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]] 23:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Idea ==

I just noticed something that I don't think is there. My theory is, if there is a game set in generation five, they will have a trio and if they make a generation six then there will be the trio's master in those games. Just look here;
Gen I: Birds,
Gen II: Lugia,
Gen III: Regis,
Gen IV: Regigigas.

Does anyone agree with me?
--[[User:KelsUsedSplash|KelsUsedSplash]] 01:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea, I think that should be mentioned!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 01:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
::Two cases isn't a pattern. Note that the trios of Gen II and Gen IV had their masters introduced in the same generation. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:::So maybe that pattern will carry on!
:::I: Trio
:::II: Trio and two trio masters.
:::III: Trio
:::IV: Trio and two trio masters
:::V: Trio
:::VI: Trio and two trio masters
:::--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 05:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And if it does, we can say that after Gen VI comes out. But based on the data we have right now, we can't call it a pattern. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Magnemite ==
If Magnemite's included, why not Rhyhorn?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 17:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==Generation 5 Spoiler?==
I have no clue if this is correct so I wanted to run it by you guys. Here is the link for the place I found it. 
http://tinyurl.com/r9hmlx 
I promise you it isn't anything bad, I'm not that kind of person, nor that dumb. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 06:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't trust it it's full of bullshit. Something you may expect from the trolls at Y!A--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 06:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

::Exactly. Girtoo thats funny. Anyways untill we get the proof , this will be spectaculation and so we cant put it here. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 06:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Alright guys thanks a bunch. I didn't think they would finish the pokemon games without giving Eevee all of the types evolutions. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 18:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah, the ol' "my [insert family member here] works on [insert game here] and told me exclusive information" BS. It's always 100% fake. Also, when we do get info from reliable sources, it would go on the relevant Gen V pages rather than here. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm wondering what could be the artwork of the new Eeveelutions, i think ZYPIN would be cool if it is confirmed....same goes with the other Regi-form..we cant trust maybe GEN.5 pokedex will appear before the Diamond and Pearl series ends..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 09:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Make it already! ==
I'm getting really mad. I will blow up it someone don't type an article about G5 in 5...4...3...2...1....1 1/2...1 1/4...1 1/8... just someone make and article for my sake!!!!--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 13:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:Uhh... dude. No confirmation of generation. No article. Calm down and go and do something else. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

== Well I kinda notice something. ==

Before a new generation starts, the last movie in the generation involves water.
Movie 2-Lugia Generation 1
Movie 5-Lati@s Generation 2
Movie 9-Manaphy Generation 3
Only guessing Movie 13-Lugia Generation 4
It's not that big of trivia or anything, I just noticed it.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 11:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:Lati@s aren't Water. Their [[Psychic (type)|Psychic]] /[[Flying (type)|Flying]]. You've also have to take into account, MB, that movie 13 hasn't been cofirmed to star Lugia (or that it'll be the last gen. IV movie, for that matter). [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']]

::MB said that they ''involve'' water, not that the main Pokémon are Water-types. But still. That isn't something that should go in. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:::@ShinyPikachu: Um. Lati@s are {{t|Dragon}}/{{t|Psychic}}. '''[[User:E-123 Ω|E-123]] - [[User talk:E-123 Ω|Ω]] [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=27033 ナックルズ]''' 22:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

==About Arceus==

"The legendary pokemon are more powerful in new generations. With Arceus as the god Pokemon of the universe, it would be hard to make a stronger one."
I HATE this argument. Just because it is credited with creating everything does NOT make it omnipotent, or unsurpassable in any other way. Technically, it's only been known to do one thing, and that's creating other pokemon (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf) which in turn did all the work of creating the universe. And it's arguable that legendary pokemon are mor powerful in each generation (until Arceus, I don't think even the base stats of them were ever improved upon much-- are Groudon and Kyogre that much more powerful than Ho-oh and Lugia?). I'd say their powers and range of influence are just made "cooler", and I doubt Game Freak would be at a loss for that-- Many other fundamental aspects of the universe still have no legendary pokemon to call their own, like life and death. I'm not saying that this argument should be deleted from this page; after all, this is about the fandom, and many fans have the opinion "ARceuS Is gOD!!!1! ZOmG GameFreaKs caNT FoLlow Taht up!!!1!!!!!111!"
I just think it should be rephrased, maybe as "Some people argue that because Arceus created the Pokemon world, Gamefreak would have difficulty making a more awesome pokemon next generation in order to maintain interest in the franchise." Something like that. Any thoughts? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree, who said, in the current generation, there has to be stronger pokémon then the last.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::The whole article is fanspeculation. It is a valid argument, and I've rephrased the whole entire section to make it somewhat more encyclopedic. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Wow, that's much better. Even I couldn't have phrased it that well! Thanks! --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I dont think that arceus is directly referred to as a god but his ability to create the three dietic dragons and the three lake gaurdians make his ability '''DIVINE'''(like all other legendaries), so there's no point of dubbing him as a god. And that would be offensive to religions, so nintendo would've thought of that point before approving of arceus'release to the fourth generation.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:It is not stated as such any more. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

::I believe somewhere in Gen IV they mention people worshipping Dialga, Palkia, and Arceus as gods. It might be Cynthia's grannie I'm thinking of, but she says that Dialga and Palkia were "revered as dieties" or something like that. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

that is exactly what i'm saying, 'revered as dieties' but not actual gods, but actually the sinnoh myth is based on shinto which might possibly have been confusing for the pokémon community.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

:But diety refers to gods, or somthing/someone on the level of a god. If you can find a meaning that's different, then please do. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
::I'm no longer arguing that it isn't a "god" (as the word itself is quite vague. All I was saying is that the assumption that Game Freak won't be able to come up with something more powerful, as well as the assumption that they have to with each new generation, are both misconceptions. And again, as this is about the fandom's opinion, and many are of the belief that Nintendo has to do both of these things to make a new generation (and that they couldn't if they wanted to), I think the amended wording suits it fine. {{unsigned|AndyPKMN}}
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== page is messed up ==

I suggest rearranging the page into several sections or put into a table--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Core series/Archive 1

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==Routes==

I'm not so sure that a Gen V game ''has'' to start its Route numbering system from 301 just because Hoenn and Sinnoh use a similar method. A Gen V or so game could actually link two previously known regions. There are still Routes 47-100 and Routes 135-200 still unaccounted for. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

:Indeed. Not only is there no precedent or fundamental reason to believe it will be the case, the contrary is more likely to occur. Hoenn and Sinnoh are based on Kyushu and Hokkaido, respectively, which are the only islands in Japan - other than Honshu - arguably big enough to be adapted as regions. By this I am suggesting that Generation V is more likely to revisit Honshu, of which there are plenty of as-yet unexplored territories. If that were to happen, the numbering system would no doubt pick up from Route 47, regardless of whether Kanto or Johto were included in the game.

:Some might also argue that Shikoku, which is another Japanese island, is not too small to serve as the basis of a new region. Supposing that they had a point, the numbering system would still be likely to pick up either from Route 47 or Route 135, due to Shikoku's proximity to both Honshu (in particular the area encompassed in Johto) and Kyushu.

:Those are really the only possibilities involving Japan, and the pattern does suggest that Generation V will be based there. It is important to remember that the transition to Hoenn and then to Sinnoh entailed exploring new territories far enough from previous regions. Now that both Hoenn and Sinnoh are familiar places, that can no longer be done within Japan. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's more to discourage people from being "LOL JOTOE IZ IN RUBBY N SAFIRE" and "LOL HOEN IZ IN DAIMIND N PERL". Though I do agree, they could go and hit whatever's north of Kanto and Johto next time around... the problem would be whether or not to link back to those two or not to. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::They should just go ahead and create a 3-D console game like the Orre series and have all the known game regions present. At least the main series regions. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

==Pikachu==
The article mentions Pikachu and Raichu being in Generation Five's regional dex, because it has been like that in all previous generations. What about the evolutionary lines of {{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Abra}}, {{p|Zubat}} (minus {{p|Crobat}}), {{p|Machop}}, {{p|Psyduck}}, and {{p|Goldeen}}? They've all been present in every game, so why not mention them too? --[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 17:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:I think only Pikachu is mentioned because it's the "mascot" of the series. It has more of a probability of being in the next game. Then again, {{p|Magikarp}} and {{p|Tentacool}} are also mentioned... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::If the next Generation of Pokémon games didn't have the Pikachu family in them I don't think anyone would buy them!- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::of course they would buy them. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 18:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
== Eeveelutions? ==

Is it possible that 2 new eeveelutions will be introduced when you consider Gen II and IV both introduced 2 new eeveelutions each (Espeon & Umbreon and Leafeon and Glaceon)?[[User:BlueGasMask|BlueGasMask]] 01:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:what about Gen III? none. so, no. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::If we see new ones in Gen V, I'd bet on a couple more in Gen VI, but until we have a pattern we ought not. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::If the Eeveelutions "pattern" continued in Gen V, then we would either see no new Eeveelutions (Gen II added 2, Gen III added none, Gen IV added 2) or only a Dragon-type Eeveelution (as all of Eevee's current evolved forms are types that were considered "Special" prior to Gen IV; technically, however, this would break the pattern, as only 1 new "Special"-type would be introduced, rather than the usual 2). Hopefully they will begin to create Eeveelutions based off of the types that were previously "Physical"; I'd really like to see a Steel, Fighting, or Ghost-type Eeveelution (Bug...not so much). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
::::If they do invent new Eeveelutions I dread to think how unimaginative their names will be! There will probably be a Dragon-type one called Drageon or something. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::::How about Dracoleon? Draco IS greek for Dragon. -[[User:The REAL Dialga|The REAL Dialga]] 15:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Scince today there was the hinting of Generation V Pokémon, should a Generation V article be made to confirm the release of more to the story? ----digletdude
:That's what I'm thinking. We might need to start one out. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 21:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::I was about to say the same thing...I just realized it.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 03:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::: Maybe no now, we have to wait. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 05:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::: We need an article for it, for sure, but there is no information whatsoever ''about'' it. At this point, all it'd be is speculation, which is rather pointless in the grand scheme of things. Either speculation or a couple of sentences about the picture.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 03:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::: Well, I for one, say that we wait untill this 'new' Pokémon actually makes its debut --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 03:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or ,maybe just redirect? If that doesn't happen already, that is. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 10:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Turns out to be pichu, guess we dont need a generation V article after all. ----digletdude
:::::::And I had it all prepared, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

<big>YAY, I LOVE PICHU MORE THEN EVER NOW,</big> if they started introducing gen 5, it would seriously limit chacnes of GSDS.

SO PICHU WE LOVE YOU!! --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:That was my main worry too! I was so relieved when I found out it was Pichu! Although, it seems strange that they'd block out this Pichu unless it was of importance. Perhaps its Ash's Pikachu's child! [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 17:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

That would be brilliant. [s]And he could give it to me.[/s] And it could know Volt Tackle and then go with Ash's Pikachu to use Double Volt Tackle killing off Arceus.

But what I think it is, is remember Dialga controls time, so could end up taking Ash and gang to the past. So maybe its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

No, anime is Pokémon's biggest marketing tool and Pichu was a Gen II Pokémon. I have a funny feeling the GSDS is on the way. But those ear markings are odd, like its Pichu's other form . -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Y cant our points both be correct. Its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu, and they are using it to advertise GSDS. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

I guess so. Either way, its still very mysterious. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

There WILL be a next Generation of Pokemon. In a GameInformer issue they had an interveiw with one of the Diamond/Pearl creators and confirmed it.- LolBot, # 18:10:56 (UTC)

==The system==
In the article it states that the games of the new generation came out on the newest Nintendo handheld system. considering that the DSi is coming out soon, should this rapid the chances of Gen 5 coming out sooner, or delaying it waiting for the next, next handheld system like we waited for the DS Lite handheld? Ths proves that the new Gen did not came out on the next Handheld sytem-or did I read it wrong...[[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 22:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:Most people don't interpret the DSi as a new system, simply another upgrade to the DS. We don't even know if there'll be DSi-exclusive games yet; if so, they'd probably only be so for using the camera or something, not because they're too powerful for a vanilla DS. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]([[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]])[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 22:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::Like, they didn't create a new Pokémon game for the Game Boy SP, the games that came out after it(FrLg and Emerald) wer for the GBA. The same is going to go for the DS and the DSi. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 20:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Quality of this article ==

Isn't good. It isn't up to any standard of quality. It reads more like an editorial or some other kind of opinion piece than an encyclopedic one. Given that, what can we do to fix it? I think we can only really say that nothing has been announced, yet. -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 05:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
: Stale Comment reply!: Right now, all it is is a list of things we know will happen or we think will happen. We might add a couple of pictures, but I can see how it would be hard to incorporate them. But with the latest news, it looks like we're not seeing Gen V games until mid-late 2010 in Japan, and early-mid 2011 everywhere else. However, by August of this year, we'll most likely have at least the {{p|Munchlax}} of Gen V and we can pretty much copy this article over to a rough Gen V page. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 17:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::This article is basically a list of patterns through the game series and that's all it ever can be. As I said below, actual Gen V information would go on the Gen V pages. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

== (Very!) Random Trivia ==

I've noticed something very interesting about the introduction of new Generations. One or more Pokémon from the next Generation are always revealed in the movie that features the last Pokémon in the current Generation. This has happened three times, and could well happen again:
*Pokémon the First Movie - Features Mewtwo and Mew, the last Gen I Pokémon - Introduces Marill, Snubbull and Donphan
*Pokémon 4ever - Features Celebi, the last Gen II Pokémon - Introduces Wailmer and Azurill
*Destiny Deoxys - Features Deoxys, the last Gen III Pokémon - Introduces Munchlax
In the first two cases, those were not the first Pokémon of the new Gen to be revealed, and most of them were in Pikachu shorts, but it's still quite an interesting thing to note. If this pattern continues, then there could be one or more Gen V Pokémon in the twelfth movie (or its Pikachu short), as it features Arceus, the last Gen IV Pokémon. Is this worth mentioning in the article, or is it just useless trivia? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not worth mentioning if they weren't the first, but that does seem to be good research. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 20:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::Worth it in my opinion, although most people already believe at least one will appear. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 20:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::So the movie's out tomorrow and we haven't heard anything. There goes that pattern. I was honestly expecting the pattern to be second movie in a generation but for whatever reason Nintendo are staying silent on the Gen V front for now. Might be the new policy of not revealing too much until it's almost done or might just be them dragging out the time between new gens. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Actually, the time it took Nintendo to reveal the Gen IV Pokémon was ridiculous (at least two years wasn't it?). I'd rather they just revealed them all within a space of a few months. Surely there ''has'' to be Gen V Pokémon in the thirteenth movie... [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

==Location?==
Heres something I noticed Kanto seems to be the centre with Johto to the west, Hoenn to the south and Sinnoh to the north. This suggests that gen 5 will be to the east of Kanto to me. [[User:Psycho Mick|Psycho Mick]] 23:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:Take a look at [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|the main picture of the article]]. There's nothing to the east of Kanto. This should belong on the forums anyway. '''~ overgrown'''[[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]] 23:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Idea ==

I just noticed something that I don't think is there. My theory is, if there is a game set in generation five, they will have a trio and if they make a generation six then there will be the trio's master in those games. Just look here;
Gen I: Birds,
Gen II: Lugia,
Gen III: Regis,
Gen IV: Regigigas.

Does anyone agree with me?
--[[User:KelsUsedSplash|KelsUsedSplash]] 01:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea, I think that should be mentioned!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 01:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
::Two cases isn't a pattern. Note that the trios of Gen II and Gen IV had their masters introduced in the same generation. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:::So maybe that pattern will carry on!
:::I: Trio
:::II: Trio and two trio masters.
:::III: Trio
:::IV: Trio and two trio masters
:::V: Trio
:::VI: Trio and two trio masters
:::--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 05:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And if it does, we can say that after Gen VI comes out. But based on the data we have right now, we can't call it a pattern. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Magnemite ==
If Magnemite's included, why not Rhyhorn?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 17:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==Generation 5 Spoiler?==
I have no clue if this is correct so I wanted to run it by you guys. Here is the link for the place I found it. 
http://tinyurl.com/r9hmlx 
I promise you it isn't anything bad, I'm not that kind of person, nor that dumb. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 06:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't trust it it's full of bullshit. Something you may expect from the trolls at Y!A--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 06:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

::Exactly. Girtoo thats funny. Anyways untill we get the proof , this will be spectaculation and so we cant put it here. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 06:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Alright guys thanks a bunch. I didn't think they would finish the pokemon games without giving Eevee all of the types evolutions. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 18:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah, the ol' "my [insert family member here] works on [insert game here] and told me exclusive information" BS. It's always 100% fake. Also, when we do get info from reliable sources, it would go on the relevant Gen V pages rather than here. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm wondering what could be the artwork of the new Eeveelutions, i think ZYPIN would be cool if it is confirmed....same goes with the other Regi-form..we cant trust maybe GEN.5 pokedex will appear before the Diamond and Pearl series ends..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 09:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Make it already! ==
I'm getting really mad. I will blow up it someone don't type an article about G5 in 5...4...3...2...1....1 1/2...1 1/4...1 1/8... just someone make and article for my sake!!!!--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 13:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:Uhh... dude. No confirmation of generation. No article. Calm down and go and do something else. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

== Well I kinda notice something. ==

Before a new generation starts, the last movie in the generation involves water.
Movie 2-Lugia Generation 1
Movie 5-Lati@s Generation 2
Movie 9-Manaphy Generation 3
Only guessing Movie 13-Lugia Generation 4
It's not that big of trivia or anything, I just noticed it.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 11:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:Lati@s aren't Water. Their [[Psychic (type)|Psychic]] /[[Flying (type)|Flying]]. You've also have to take into account, MB, that movie 13 hasn't been cofirmed to star Lugia (or that it'll be the last gen. IV movie, for that matter). [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']]

::MB said that they ''involve'' water, not that the main Pokémon are Water-types. But still. That isn't something that should go in. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:::@ShinyPikachu: Um. Lati@s are {{t|Dragon}}/{{t|Psychic}}. '''[[User:E-123 Ω|E-123]] - [[User talk:E-123 Ω|Ω]] [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=27033 ナックルズ]''' 22:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

==About Arceus==

"The legendary pokemon are more powerful in new generations. With Arceus as the god Pokemon of the universe, it would be hard to make a stronger one."
I HATE this argument. Just because it is credited with creating everything does NOT make it omnipotent, or unsurpassable in any other way. Technically, it's only been known to do one thing, and that's creating other pokemon (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf) which in turn did all the work of creating the universe. And it's arguable that legendary pokemon are mor powerful in each generation (until Arceus, I don't think even the base stats of them were ever improved upon much-- are Groudon and Kyogre that much more powerful than Ho-oh and Lugia?). I'd say their powers and range of influence are just made "cooler", and I doubt Game Freak would be at a loss for that-- Many other fundamental aspects of the universe still have no legendary pokemon to call their own, like life and death. I'm not saying that this argument should be deleted from this page; after all, this is about the fandom, and many fans have the opinion "ARceuS Is gOD!!!1! ZOmG GameFreaKs caNT FoLlow Taht up!!!1!!!!!111!"
I just think it should be rephrased, maybe as "Some people argue that because Arceus created the Pokemon world, Gamefreak would have difficulty making a more awesome pokemon next generation in order to maintain interest in the franchise." Something like that. Any thoughts? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree, who said, in the current generation, there has to be stronger pokémon then the last.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::The whole article is fanspeculation. It is a valid argument, and I've rephrased the whole entire section to make it somewhat more encyclopedic. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Wow, that's much better. Even I couldn't have phrased it that well! Thanks! --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I dont think that arceus is directly referred to as a god but his ability to create the three dietic dragons and the three lake gaurdians make his ability '''DIVINE'''(like all other legendaries), so there's no point of dubbing him as a god. And that would be offensive to religions, so nintendo would've thought of that point before approving of arceus'release to the fourth generation.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:It is not stated as such any more. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

::I believe somewhere in Gen IV they mention people worshipping Dialga, Palkia, and Arceus as gods. It might be Cynthia's grannie I'm thinking of, but she says that Dialga and Palkia were "revered as dieties" or something like that. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 23:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

that is exactly what i'm saying, 'revered as dieties' but not actual gods, but actually the sinnoh myth is based on shinto which might possibly have been confusing for the pokémon community.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Core series/Archive 1

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==Routes==

I'm not so sure that a Gen V game ''has'' to start its Route numbering system from 301 just because Hoenn and Sinnoh use a similar method. A Gen V or so game could actually link two previously known regions. There are still Routes 47-100 and Routes 135-200 still unaccounted for. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

:Indeed. Not only is there no precedent or fundamental reason to believe it will be the case, the contrary is more likely to occur. Hoenn and Sinnoh are based on Kyushu and Hokkaido, respectively, which are the only islands in Japan - other than Honshu - arguably big enough to be adapted as regions. By this I am suggesting that Generation V is more likely to revisit Honshu, of which there are plenty of as-yet unexplored territories. If that were to happen, the numbering system would no doubt pick up from Route 47, regardless of whether Kanto or Johto were included in the game.

:Some might also argue that Shikoku, which is another Japanese island, is not too small to serve as the basis of a new region. Supposing that they had a point, the numbering system would still be likely to pick up either from Route 47 or Route 135, due to Shikoku's proximity to both Honshu (in particular the area encompassed in Johto) and Kyushu.

:Those are really the only possibilities involving Japan, and the pattern does suggest that Generation V will be based there. It is important to remember that the transition to Hoenn and then to Sinnoh entailed exploring new territories far enough from previous regions. Now that both Hoenn and Sinnoh are familiar places, that can no longer be done within Japan. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's more to discourage people from being "LOL JOTOE IZ IN RUBBY N SAFIRE" and "LOL HOEN IZ IN DAIMIND N PERL". Though I do agree, they could go and hit whatever's north of Kanto and Johto next time around... the problem would be whether or not to link back to those two or not to. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

:::They should just go ahead and create a 3-D console game like the Orre series and have all the known game regions present. At least the main series regions. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 19:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

==Pikachu==
The article mentions Pikachu and Raichu being in Generation Five's regional dex, because it has been like that in all previous generations. What about the evolutionary lines of {{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Abra}}, {{p|Zubat}} (minus {{p|Crobat}}), {{p|Machop}}, {{p|Psyduck}}, and {{p|Goldeen}}? They've all been present in every game, so why not mention them too? --[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 17:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:I think only Pikachu is mentioned because it's the "mascot" of the series. It has more of a probability of being in the next game. Then again, {{p|Magikarp}} and {{p|Tentacool}} are also mentioned... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
::If the next Generation of Pokémon games didn't have the Pikachu family in them I don't think anyone would buy them!- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::of course they would buy them. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 18:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
== Eeveelutions? ==

Is it possible that 2 new eeveelutions will be introduced when you consider Gen II and IV both introduced 2 new eeveelutions each (Espeon & Umbreon and Leafeon and Glaceon)?[[User:BlueGasMask|BlueGasMask]] 01:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:what about Gen III? none. so, no. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::If we see new ones in Gen V, I'd bet on a couple more in Gen VI, but until we have a pattern we ought not. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::If the Eeveelutions "pattern" continued in Gen V, then we would either see no new Eeveelutions (Gen II added 2, Gen III added none, Gen IV added 2) or only a Dragon-type Eeveelution (as all of Eevee's current evolved forms are types that were considered "Special" prior to Gen IV; technically, however, this would break the pattern, as only 1 new "Special"-type would be introduced, rather than the usual 2). Hopefully they will begin to create Eeveelutions based off of the types that were previously "Physical"; I'd really like to see a Steel, Fighting, or Ghost-type Eeveelution (Bug...not so much). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
::::If they do invent new Eeveelutions I dread to think how unimaginative their names will be! There will probably be a Dragon-type one called Drageon or something. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::::How about Dracoleon? Draco IS greek for Dragon. -[[User:The REAL Dialga|The REAL Dialga]] 15:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

==Generation V==
Scince today there was the hinting of Generation V Pokémon, should a Generation V article be made to confirm the release of more to the story? ----digletdude
:That's what I'm thinking. We might need to start one out. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 21:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
::I was about to say the same thing...I just realized it.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 03:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
::: Maybe no now, we have to wait. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 05:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::: We need an article for it, for sure, but there is no information whatsoever ''about'' it. At this point, all it'd be is speculation, which is rather pointless in the grand scheme of things. Either speculation or a couple of sentences about the picture.--[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 03:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::: Well, I for one, say that we wait untill this 'new' Pokémon actually makes its debut --[[User:Manga-in-a-bottle|Manga-in-a-bottle]] 03:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or ,maybe just redirect? If that doesn't happen already, that is. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 10:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Turns out to be pichu, guess we dont need a generation V article after all. ----digletdude
:::::::And I had it all prepared, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

<big>YAY, I LOVE PICHU MORE THEN EVER NOW,</big> if they started introducing gen 5, it would seriously limit chacnes of GSDS.

SO PICHU WE LOVE YOU!! --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:That was my main worry too! I was so relieved when I found out it was Pichu! Although, it seems strange that they'd block out this Pichu unless it was of importance. Perhaps its Ash's Pikachu's child! [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 17:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

That would be brilliant. [s]And he could give it to me.[/s] And it could know Volt Tackle and then go with Ash's Pikachu to use Double Volt Tackle killing off Arceus.

But what I think it is, is remember Dialga controls time, so could end up taking Ash and gang to the past. So maybe its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

No, anime is Pokémon's biggest marketing tool and Pichu was a Gen II Pokémon. I have a funny feeling the GSDS is on the way. But those ear markings are odd, like its Pichu's other form . -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Y cant our points both be correct. Its Ash's Pikachu as a Pichu, and they are using it to advertise GSDS. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

I guess so. Either way, its still very mysterious. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 23:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

There WILL be a next Generation of Pokemon. In a GameInformer issue they had an interveiw with one of the Diamond/Pearl creators and confirmed it.- LolBot, # 18:10:56 (UTC)

==The system==
In the article it states that the games of the new generation came out on the newest Nintendo handheld system. considering that the DSi is coming out soon, should this rapid the chances of Gen 5 coming out sooner, or delaying it waiting for the next, next handheld system like we waited for the DS Lite handheld? Ths proves that the new Gen did not came out on the next Handheld sytem-or did I read it wrong...[[User:Pyles|Pyles]] 22:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:Most people don't interpret the DSi as a new system, simply another upgrade to the DS. We don't even know if there'll be DSi-exclusive games yet; if so, they'd probably only be so for using the camera or something, not because they're too powerful for a vanilla DS. --[[User:Martonimos|Marton]]([[wp:Chanukah|I'm Jewish]])[[User talk:Martonimos|imos]] 22:44, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::Like, they didn't create a new Pokémon game for the Game Boy SP, the games that came out after it(FrLg and Emerald) wer for the GBA. The same is going to go for the DS and the DSi. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 20:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Quality of this article ==

Isn't good. It isn't up to any standard of quality. It reads more like an editorial or some other kind of opinion piece than an encyclopedic one. Given that, what can we do to fix it? I think we can only really say that nothing has been announced, yet. -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 05:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
: Stale Comment reply!: Right now, all it is is a list of things we know will happen or we think will happen. We might add a couple of pictures, but I can see how it would be hard to incorporate them. But with the latest news, it looks like we're not seeing Gen V games until mid-late 2010 in Japan, and early-mid 2011 everywhere else. However, by August of this year, we'll most likely have at least the {{p|Munchlax}} of Gen V and we can pretty much copy this article over to a rough Gen V page. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 17:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::This article is basically a list of patterns through the game series and that's all it ever can be. As I said below, actual Gen V information would go on the Gen V pages. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

== (Very!) Random Trivia ==

I've noticed something very interesting about the introduction of new Generations. One or more Pokémon from the next Generation are always revealed in the movie that features the last Pokémon in the current Generation. This has happened three times, and could well happen again:
*Pokémon the First Movie - Features Mewtwo and Mew, the last Gen I Pokémon - Introduces Marill, Snubbull and Donphan
*Pokémon 4ever - Features Celebi, the last Gen II Pokémon - Introduces Wailmer and Azurill
*Destiny Deoxys - Features Deoxys, the last Gen III Pokémon - Introduces Munchlax
In the first two cases, those were not the first Pokémon of the new Gen to be revealed, and most of them were in Pikachu shorts, but it's still quite an interesting thing to note. If this pattern continues, then there could be one or more Gen V Pokémon in the twelfth movie (or its Pikachu short), as it features Arceus, the last Gen IV Pokémon. Is this worth mentioning in the article, or is it just useless trivia? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not worth mentioning if they weren't the first, but that does seem to be good research. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|10% Satisfaction Guaranteed!]] 20:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::Worth it in my opinion, although most people already believe at least one will appear. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 20:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::So the movie's out tomorrow and we haven't heard anything. There goes that pattern. I was honestly expecting the pattern to be second movie in a generation but for whatever reason Nintendo are staying silent on the Gen V front for now. Might be the new policy of not revealing too much until it's almost done or might just be them dragging out the time between new gens. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Actually, the time it took Nintendo to reveal the Gen IV Pokémon was ridiculous (at least two years wasn't it?). I'd rather they just revealed them all within a space of a few months. Surely there ''has'' to be Gen V Pokémon in the thirteenth movie... [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 10:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

==Location?==
Heres something I noticed Kanto seems to be the centre with Johto to the west, Hoenn to the south and Sinnoh to the north. This suggests that gen 5 will be to the east of Kanto to me. [[User:Psycho Mick|Psycho Mick]] 23:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:Take a look at [[Pokémon world in relation to the real world|the main picture of the article]]. There's nothing to the east of Kanto. This should belong on the forums anyway. '''~ overgrown'''[[User:Sol|s]][[User_talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]] 23:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Idea ==

I just noticed something that I don't think is there. My theory is, if there is a game set in generation five, they will have a trio and if they make a generation six then there will be the trio's master in those games. Just look here;
Gen I: Birds,
Gen II: Lugia,
Gen III: Regis,
Gen IV: Regigigas.

Does anyone agree with me?
--[[User:KelsUsedSplash|KelsUsedSplash]] 01:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea, I think that should be mentioned!--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 01:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
::Two cases isn't a pattern. Note that the trios of Gen II and Gen IV had their masters introduced in the same generation. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
:::So maybe that pattern will carry on!
:::I: Trio
:::II: Trio and two trio masters.
:::III: Trio
:::IV: Trio and two trio masters
:::V: Trio
:::VI: Trio and two trio masters
:::--[[User:Pokelova|''I'm Pokelova'']][[User talk:Pokelova|<big>''(Talk)''</big>]] 05:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
::::And if it does, we can say that after Gen VI comes out. But based on the data we have right now, we can't call it a pattern. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Magnemite ==
If Magnemite's included, why not Rhyhorn?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 17:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

==Generation 5 Spoiler?==
I have no clue if this is correct so I wanted to run it by you guys. Here is the link for the place I found it. 
http://tinyurl.com/r9hmlx 
I promise you it isn't anything bad, I'm not that kind of person, nor that dumb. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 06:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:Don't trust it it's full of bullshit. Something you may expect from the trolls at Y!A--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''☆Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチ''']][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|'''ュウ!''']] 06:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

::Exactly. Girtoo thats funny. Anyways untill we get the proof , this will be spectaculation and so we cant put it here. --'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 06:58, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Alright guys thanks a bunch. I didn't think they would finish the pokemon games without giving Eevee all of the types evolutions. --[[User:Lustre|Lustre]] 18:29, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah, the ol' "my [insert family member here] works on [insert game here] and told me exclusive information" BS. It's always 100% fake. Also, when we do get info from reliable sources, it would go on the relevant Gen V pages rather than here. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm wondering what could be the artwork of the new Eeveelutions, i think ZYPIN would be cool if it is confirmed....same goes with the other Regi-form..we cant trust maybe GEN.5 pokedex will appear before the Diamond and Pearl series ends..."[[Sceptile (Pokémon)|☆]][[User:AngelGuardian|Angel]][[User talk:AngelGuardian|Guardian]][[Brendan (game)|☆]]" 09:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Make it already! ==
I'm getting really mad. I will blow up it someone don't type an article about G5 in 5...4...3...2...1....1 1/2...1 1/4...1 1/8... just someone make and article for my sake!!!!--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 13:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:Uhh... dude. No confirmation of generation. No article. Calm down and go and do something else. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

== Well I kinda notice something. ==

Before a new generation starts, the last movie in the generation involves water.
Movie 2-Lugia Generation 1
Movie 5-Lati@s Generation 2
Movie 9-Manaphy Generation 3
Only guessing Movie 13-Lugia Generation 4
It's not that big of trivia or anything, I just noticed it.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 11:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
:Lati@s aren't Water. Their [[Psychic (type)|Psychic]] /[[Flying (type)|Flying]]. You've also have to take into account, MB, that movie 13 hasn't been cofirmed to star Lugia (or that it'll be the last gen. IV movie, for that matter). [[User talk: ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[User:ShinyPikachu|'''Pika''']]

::MB said that they ''involve'' water, not that the main Pokémon are Water-types. But still. That isn't something that should go in. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:::@ShinyPikachu: Um. Lati@s are {{t|Dragon}}/{{t|Psychic}}. '''[[User:E-123 Ω|E-123]] - [[User talk:E-123 Ω|Ω]] [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/member.php?u=27033 ナックルズ]''' 22:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

==About Arceus==

"The legendary pokemon are more powerful in new generations. With Arceus as the god Pokemon of the universe, it would be hard to make a stronger one."
I HATE this argument. Just because it is credited with creating everything does NOT make it omnipotent, or unsurpassable in any other way. Technically, it's only been known to do one thing, and that's creating other pokemon (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf) which in turn did all the work of creating the universe. And it's arguable that legendary pokemon are mor powerful in each generation (until Arceus, I don't think even the base stats of them were ever improved upon much-- are Groudon and Kyogre that much more powerful than Ho-oh and Lugia?). I'd say their powers and range of influence are just made "cooler", and I doubt Game Freak would be at a loss for that-- Many other fundamental aspects of the universe still have no legendary pokemon to call their own, like life and death. I'm not saying that this argument should be deleted from this page; after all, this is about the fandom, and many fans have the opinion "ARceuS Is gOD!!!1! ZOmG GameFreaKs caNT FoLlow Taht up!!!1!!!!!111!"
I just think it should be rephrased, maybe as "Some people argue that because Arceus created the Pokemon world, Gamefreak would have difficulty making a more awesome pokemon next generation in order to maintain interest in the franchise." Something like that. Any thoughts? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree, who said, in the current generation, there has to be stronger pokémon then the last.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 23:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::The whole article is fanspeculation. It is a valid argument, and I've rephrased the whole entire section to make it somewhat more encyclopedic. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I dont think that arceus is directly referred to as a god but his ability to create the three dietic dragons and the three lake gaurdians make his ability '''DIVINE'''(like all other legendaries), so there's no point of dubbing him as a god. And that would be offensive to religions, so nintendo would've thought of that point before approving of arceus'release to the fourth generation.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary birds (Adventures)

2009-09-16T15:22:49Z

Nobody777: Created page with 'did anybody ever notice that there was an error in the sprite if not the whole name, I will try and provide a new sprite.--~~~~'

did anybody ever notice that there was an error in the sprite if not the whole name, I will try and provide a new sprite.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 15:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon movie

2009-09-12T11:49:07Z

Nobody777:

== Movie 11? ==
Sould we add something about the 11th Pokémon movie on to the page? Wikipedia already has an article about it and they also have a picture of {{p|Regigigas}} tearing up the ground --[[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]]
:I guess something about the movie should be added to this article. Given how little information there is, however, I'm wary about starting an article for it already. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 17:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Mewtwo Returns ==

What about this movie? Why isn't it mentioned? [[Image:Ani448MS.gif]][[User:Jmath|'''Jmath''']][[Image:Ani447MS.gif]][[User talk:Jmath|'''Talk''']][[Image:Ani448MS.gif]] 15:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

:TV special in Japan, direct to video (VHS and DVD) in America.

:Additionally, Mewtwo Returns is mentioned under the "Long specials" heading. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::Yep. MR is more comparable to LOT than it is to MSB. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 22:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Posters==
Shouldn't the American ones be here? This is an ''english'' wiki. [[User:Porygon-Z|'''Por''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Trade|'''ygo''']][[User:Porygon-Z/Dracofang Gym|'''n-Z''']] 22:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
:Do American posters even exist? The movies don't air in cinemas outside Japan these days. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:26, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe DVD boxart instead? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

== Canon, canon, canon... ==

Why the heck would they not be canon? Right there, it says that several have been referenced. It's like saying May's Venusaur could still be a guy because we don't know if the seed in the flower could mean it's a dude in the anime. Has every past episode been referenced? No. Some have been outright IGNORED. Does that mean ''those'' didn't happen, either? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 16:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:With movie 8 blatently having an effect on the main protagonist that carries over into the series, I really don't see how people can argue that they aren't canon. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:58, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
::It's likely because there are no new captures which happen in the movies. It's like, do people think they would ever do that? Have one episode where Ash is like "OKAY CHIMCHAR, TIME TO GO!" and then the next, it's suddenly a Monferno. The movies aren't free, the show's on TV... which is kinda free. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
:::So, what's our ruling here? Should we mention that some fans consider the movies to be non-canon because they're hardly mentioned in the show, but not say outright that they aren't? Should we say "the movies ''are'' canon, you idiots!" and blow the whole section? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I somewhat agree. I'd say that they are canon. Also, about your statement about how they can't have movie references in the anime due to the movies "Not being free", it doesn't exactly explain how Aura was carried over from the 8th movie into the anime, how Ash recognized Lucario, Ash and James referencing the Orange Islands Lugia, The Space-Time Tower's cameo, the scenes from the first movie being incorporated into the anime, Drew's hometown, the Deoxys special reference, and all that. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 18:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::References like Aura are different from a Pokémon evolving. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:04, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

== Movie 12 ==

There is supposed to be a preview of movie 12 next week it shows a preveiw here [http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=gWOwAwPDQTk&feature=user] wait till the end it says the went to some anceint ruins possibly greece? seems like the perfect place for arceus considering the appearance of the spear pillar[[User:Tsg812|Tsg812]]''' 15:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

:I considered Arceus in that movie possibly, but now is a fact. However, we still have to wait official sources --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 03:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)}

:: Should we create this page now? Something like "Pikachu Project 2009", the 11th movie article was created in August, now we are in October and I think that we have enough information... --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 23:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:::TTE said to wait until at least Thursday.--[[User:CoolPikachu!/Platinum|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 23:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:::: Uh, ok... but... why the Thursday? --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 23:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::A new episode of Pokémon premieres every thursday, like in America it premieres in English on Cartoon network every Saturday~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 23:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Not sure I'll tell him later on AIM.--[[User:CoolPikachu!/Platinum|'''☆''']][[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''ピカチュウ!''']] 23:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::: Yes, I know that, but this Thurday we won't have new episode. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 15:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The official web has been updated with the new movie... I think it's time --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 15:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's probably still a little early for the article but I added what we know to this page. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== No Bias Please! ==

Isn't it a bit biassed to say that the movies have recently increased in quality? I thought this was supposed to be an encyclopedia! (Anyway, I thought Pokémon Heroes was much better than The Rise of Darkrai! Taromon 777

== Prev next ==

Wouldn't it be easier to navigate if the movies were linked to each other, similar to the Pokemon pages? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 07:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

:It definitely would be, in my opinion. [[User:0 Degrees|0]][[User talk:0 Degrees|°]] 20:38, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

== DVD info ==

I'm not sure if this even has any importance, but since this *is* an encyclopedia of sorts... The US DVD releases of movies 4, 5, 6, and 7 are dual-layer disks, while every other movie and/or special I've seen is just SL (and I know for certain about all of them except LOT and GSW) of the. Should there perhaps be a mention of this? I'm also slightly baffled as to why this is, but that's the way it is, I guess. {{unsigned|TheCakeIsALie}}
:I'm sure that can be worked in somewhere. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 08:36, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

==MOVIE 13==
Theres already a trailer for movie 13, shouldn't we make an article? Kamus 17:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:There was an article for it, called "Pikachu Project 13" or something like that, but I think it got removed for some reason. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 18:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I know that the trailer for the 13th movie was only viewable for audiences who saw the pre-release version of arceus: towards a conquering of time-space in japan, so we have to wait for after the release of HGSS, but if the trailer is somewhere online, provide a link.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 11:49, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Eterna City

2009-09-03T12:34:12Z

Nobody777: plate doesnt mean arceus' plate, rather it means the plate on the eterna statue which reads the description of the pokemon, the staue was designed after..

{{Infobox town
|town= Eterna City
|characters=ハクタイシティ
|japanese=Hakutai City
|image=Eterna City.PNG
|slogan={{sign|DPcitymap|header}}
{{sign|DPcitymap|map|Eterna City}}
{{sign|DPcitymap|title|Eterna City}}
{{sign|DPcitymap|History Living}}
{{sign|DPcitymap|footer}}
|region=Sinnoh
|routes=[[Route 205]] (West) [[Route 211]] (East) [[Route 206]] (South)
|bottom=gym
|gymname=[[Eterna Gym]]
|leader=[[Gardenia]]
|badge=Forest Badge
|type=Grass
|map=Eterna City.png
|colordark=228B42
|colorlight=62C480
}}

'''Eterna City''' (Japanese: '''ハクタイシティ''' ''Hakutai City'') is a city in the [[region]] of [[Sinnoh]]; it is an older city, showing the signs of history.

There is a rather large statue of an ancient Pokémon (in Diamond, it is named as {{p|Dialga}}, in Pearl, {{P|Palkia}}, and in Platinum, it is not named) on the east side of town. The statue was once the main center of festivals in the town, although signs of the town's culture and rituals have started to slip away. Of late, both Team Galactic and [[Cynthia]] become interested in the statue. After the [[National Pokédex]] has been obtained and the player has visited the [[Pal Park]], [[Professor Oak]] appears in the southernmost house in the city.

A woman in the Pokémon Center will give the player [[Pokétch]] app #6, the {{DL|Poketch|Friendship Checker}}. Beside the Pokémon Center is the [[Underground Man]]'s House, where the [[Explorer Kit]] can be obtained. The kit gives access to [[the Underground]].

The player may [[Name Rater|rename their Pokémon]], as well as trade their {{p|Buizel}} for a {{p|Chatot}}, in a building next to the Poké Mart.

In {{game|Platinum}}, after the {{player}} clears out the [[Galactic Eterna Building]] in the city and approaches the Bicycle Shop, [[Cynthia]] will appear and give him/her an {{pkmn|egg}} which will hatch into a {{p|Togepi}}.

==Places of interest==
===Eterna Condominiums===
{{main|Eterna Condominiums}}
In this building, Sinnoh's [[Name Rater]] can be found, as well as a person named Norton who will trade a {{p|Chatot}} for a {{p|Buizel}}, and yet another who will give away {{TM|67|Recycle}}.

===Eterna Gym===
{{main|Eterna Gym}}
The Eterna Gym is one of the [[Gym]]s located in the Sinnoh region, and run by the [[Gym Leader]] [[Gardenia]], who specializes in {{type2|Grass}} Pokémon. Defeating Gardenia yields the {{Badge|Forest}}, {{TM|86|Grass Knot}}, and the ability to use {{m|Cut}} outside of battle.

===Eterna Museum===
{{main|Eterna Museum}}

===Galactic Eterna Building===
{{main|Galactic Eterna Building}}
One of the two [[Team Galactic]] Headquarters in located here, adding a dark and sinister atmosphere in the city. In {{game|Platinum}}, the building looks vastly different from its appearance in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. To reach the building, the move {{m|Cut}} must be used on a small tree blocking the entrance.

===Herb Shop===
{{main|Herb Shop}}
The [[Herb Shop]] is a shop that sells effective, yet inexpensive herbs. A lady runs it.

===Rad Rickshaw's Cycle Shop===
{{main|Rad Rickshaw's Cycle Shop}}
This Bicycle Shop is a store where [[Bicycle]]s are sold. However, the {{player}} is never able to purchase a bicycle from here, as one is obtained for free once the store's owner is rescued from the Galactic Eterna building.

==Poké Mart==
{{mart|header}}
{{mart|class|b}}
{{mart|item|Poké Ball|200}}
{{mart|item|Heal Ball|300}}
{{mart|item|Net Ball|1000}}
{{mart|item|Nest Ball|1000}}
{{mart|class|m}}
{{mart|item|Potion|300}}
{{mart|item|Super Potion|700}}
{{mart|item|Antidote|100}}
{{mart|item|Paralyz Heal|200}}
{{mart|item|Awakening|250}}
{{mart|item|Burn Heal|250}}
{{mart|item|Ice Heal|250}}
{{mart|class|o}}
{{mart|item|Escape Rope|550}}
{{mart|item|Repel|350}}
{{mart|item|Air Mail|50}}
{{mart|footer}}

==Items==
* {{HM|01|Cut}} (given by [[Cynthia]])
* {{DL|Potion|Super Potion}} (next to the Gym)
* {{TM|46|Thief}} (near Galactic Eterna Building)
* [[Explorer Kit]] (given in the Underground Man's house)
* {{TM|67|Recycle}} (received from the old woman in the [[Eterna Condominiums]])
* [[Bicycle]]
* {{DL|Plate|Draco Plate}} (hidden behind the statue)
* {{DL|Vitamin|PP Up}} (hidden, requires {{HM|03|Surf}})
* {{DL|Evolution-inducing held item|Up-Grade}} (given by [[Professor Oak]] or found in [[Galactic Eterna Building]][[Pokémon Platinum Version|Pt]])

==Pokémon==
{{catchableheader|water}}
{{catchtime|SurfFish}}
{{catchentry4|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|no|Fishing ([[Old Rod|Old]])|3-10|100%}}
{{catchentry4|129|Magikarp|yes|yes|no|Fishing ([[Good Rod|Good]])|10-25|65%}}
{{catchentry4|339|Barboach|yes|yes|no|Fishing ([[Good Rod|Good]])|10-25|35%}}
{{catchentry4|054|Psyduck|yes|yes|no|{{m|Surf}}ing|20-40|90%}}
{{catchentry4|055|Golduck|yes|yes|no|{{m|Surf}}ing|20-40|10%}}
{{catchtime|AfterNatDex}}
{{catchentry4|130|Gyarados|yes|yes|no|Fishing ([[Super Rod|Super]])|30-55|65%}}
{{catchentry4|340|Whiscash|yes|yes|no|Fishing ([[Super Rod|Super]])|20-40|35%}}
{{catchablefooter|water}}

==Trivia==
* Eterna's Japanese town motto is {{tt|むかしをいまにつなぐまち|Town that even now is tied to the past}}.
* The full text on the plates of the statue, stolen by [[Team Galactic]], as revealed in the [[Team Galactic HQ]] in [[Veilstone City]]:
**"The creation of {{p|Dialga}}, the giver of [[time]]... In laughter, there is tears... And, likewise it is with time. The same time flows on. For it is the blessing of Dialga."
**"The birth of {{p|Palkia}}, the creator of parallel dimensions... Alive, yet not alive... Everything drifts in space... To arrive in the same {{pkmn|universe}}. It is the blessing of Palkia."
* In {{game|Platinum}}, there is a man in Eterna that states there was another Plate, other than {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}'s plate, but he has never seen it.
===Name origin===
Eterna is a shortening of eternal, a word that is synonymous with forever.

==In other languages==
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! Language
! Name
! Origin
|-
| Japanese
|ハクタイシティ ''Hakutai City ''
|
|-
| English
| Eterna City
| Eterna is a shortening of ''eternal'', a word that is synonymous with forever.
|-
| French
| Vestigion
| From ''Vestige'', remain
|-
| German
| Ewigenau
| From ''Ewig'', forever
|-
| Italian
| Evopoli
|
|-
| Spanish
| Ciudad Vetusta
| Vetusta means very ancient.
|-
|Portugese
|Eterna City
|
|-
| Korean
| 영원시티 ''Yeong'weon City''
| 永遠 ''yeong'weon'' means Eternal.
|-
| Chinese
| 百代市
| Means "City of a hundred generations".
|}

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[[Category:Sinnoh locations]]
[[Category:Diamond and Pearl locations]]
[[Category:Cities]]
[[Category:Platinum_locations]]

[[de:Ewigenau]]
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[[pt:Eterna City]]
[[fr:Vestigion]]

Talk:Lake guardians

2009-08-20T12:21:49Z

Nobody777:

Why won't the links to Neptune and Jupiter work? The one for Minerva works. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[User:Shiny Noctowl/Fun|Fun]][[Image:224MS.gif]] 01:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'll take a look, but if I can't fix it, ask [[User:Zhen Lin|Zhen]] to. -[[User:Politoed666|Politoed666]] 01:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
::I got it. You accidentally used a colon instead of a | between wp and Jupiter or Neptune. -[[User:Politoed666|Politoed666]] 01:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

== Puddle shapes ==

{{u|M.vit}} added to this page that the three puddles are in the shapes of the [[dragon trio]]. I can sort of see {{p|Giratina}} in Uxie's cave, but {{p|Palkia}} and {{p|Dialga}}... I just don't see them. Does anyone believe this is true besides M.vit? There may be something to this, but I want to get everyone's opinion before I revert again. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]]
:On second thought, I will revert it, and we can add it later if we decide it's correct. Better to keep speculation off the pages and add facts later. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 07:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:: In fact, I can't see anything.... All I see is A triangle in Uxie's Cavern, A Square in Both Azelf's and Mesprit's Cavern. [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 09:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding, the first puddle seen in the article is giratina, which has a shape like this http://gallery.bulbagarden.net/albums/userpics/11378/thumb_giratina.jpg for the second one, you can see dialga's face, with one of the dots acting as his eye, the third one looks like palkia's pearl mixed with his head.--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] 19:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:Anyone else want to weigh in? Although now that you mention it, FF, I think that the third puddle actually looks more like a circle. They all have the weird lines coming out of them, though... --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I can see it:
*Uxie's cave has Giratina's head.
*the 2nd one is dialaga's head
*the 3rd is palkia's head.
[[User:Sailor Earth|セーラー地球]] 09:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmm.. I can see it, A little bit. Just can make up the picture [[User:ForceFire|Force Fire]] 09:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I can see Giratina and Dialga. Having trouble with Palkia though. I think this speculation, however, is correct. [[User:SixthFlyingMan|SixthFlyingMan]] 07:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== Distance ==

I found out that each of the caves according to units on the town map (I.E the one that mention the cave and spear pillar and including girantinas lake) ar roughly 12 units away for each of them by the Pythagorean Theorem. Show anything? [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 21:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

== Name... ==

I know ''I'' made up the name "lake trio" but I'm thinking that a better way to describe them would be legendary pixies. Plus, then they'd fit with the other three standard trios. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:What standard? Beasts, birds, golems, dragons, fine, that's a standard...and then there's the weather trio. They don't have a standard, thus break any standard one would have. Everyone calls them the lake trio anyway. Besides being sprite-like (as in fae, not pixel), it's what they have in common that's the most blaringly obvious. Change 'lake' and you'd have to change 'weather'...and the only thing they have in common is the Bible. And we {{tt|cannot|under, like, ANY circumstance}} call them that. Lake trio is fine. ...It's also shorter. You know how people in this fandom like their short hand. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 03:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I also do not see a problem with Lake Trio....I like it.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:13, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I guess... I created the name, can't get people off it. I just wonder what happens when GSDS comes out and isn't called something that starts with GSDS... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
::The weather and dragon trios aren't the same as the lake trio, or the legendary birds/beasts/golems. Legendary Pixies would match better with the other three. I think TTE has the right idea. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 03:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't disagree with a namechange, but pixies? Can't we at least think of something better? Pixies is just..... odd. Too odd. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:20, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Lake Trio doesn't match with Dragon trio or Weather trio, since they have nothing to do with lakes. They are just found in them. I agree it should be renamed but I am not sure whether it should be "pixies". [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 07:29, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, OK. Other good options are fairies/faeries or sprites. I'm sure we can come up with plenty more. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 09:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Propose "legendary spirits". — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 08:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

How about "Lake Guardians", seeing that's what they're collectively called in the anime, and no one else calls them anything else in canon media. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:08, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

They are referred to as "Lake Guardians" by [[Cynthia]]. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 04:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:Sounds good. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
::By that, then Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres should be at [[Winged Mirages]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Haven't they actually been ''called'' the legendary birds officially as well, though? Meanwhile Lake Guardians seems to be the ''only'' thing Azelf, Uxie and Mesprit have been called (I assume we're discounting "mirage Pokémon," since that's a Japanese generic term the English games decided to start using).--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Yes, only in DP096. In the previous episodes, they were referred individually. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::...so, are we going to move this, or what? [[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 20:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Everyone knows them as the Lake Trio now, I'd just leave the title as it is. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

On second thoughts... how about Mind Trio? Just an idea. [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 20:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Both of the names sound good. I think that Lake Guardians makes them sound more "legendary". --Usyflad10 22:12, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

:Dude... notice the date before you comment on a page. This is from back in the first week of June. That was the fifth. This is the twenty-third. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:55, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
::And in all that time, we haven't come to a conclusion. I think we should move the page. There's not a lot of dissent, and if there's an outcry afterwards, we can change it back. I don't have the power to do it myself, so... --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 03:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with a shift to Lake Guardians. It doesn't just sound more "legendary" - it sounds less like fanon, and more like canon, because that's what it is. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 18:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== Puddles ==

... What I WAS going to say in my edit summary was 'I'm not seeing it.. besides, it's just speculation, isn't it?'. I think a discussion'd be better than just going back and forth in an edit war, so.. um, how do these puddles resemble the DPPt mascots? [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♪]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:50, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:The Uxie picture is clearly Giratina facing forward. The 2 puddles are eyes, Mesprit's puddle is Diala facing east, the top puddle is the eye, the bottom puddle is in its mouth, Azelf's puddle is Palkia facing west, top puddle is it's eye, bottom puddle is in its mouth. Quite a few people have seen it [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 21:54, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::i think they actually do bear slight resemblances to the dragon trio. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Hm. Now that you point it out, it does kinda look like the three dragons.. It'd be a little less vague if the page said which lake looked like which dragon, though. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|♪]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 22:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Politoed666 is being an ass. Even though Deth (another admin) can see it, and the consensus on this page says they can see it, he has decided to over ride consensus and over ride another admin, and put his own views, instead of what the consensus is. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 22:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

:No. They don't. Additionally, Max-o, I'm E.B., which means I technically win against all of you. However, if anyone else wants to weigh in, I may be persuaded to change my mind. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 22:05, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Why are you acting like a dictator, do you need glasses, it's clear which is which, are you saying this happened by accident, why then did the game makers make all the puddles different, and it's clear that the makers were thinking about these puddles, as they included a location of the other 2 lakes. The info has been on there for ages, and the majority can see it. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 22:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Come on, Politoed. You know, its true (not about the glasses thing)and its better to have that than absolutely nothing.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:10, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't usually like getting involved in these arguments, as I don't feel I contribute enough to have a say, but when I saw these puddles in-game the first thing I though was that they looked like the dragons, so I have to agree with the majority here, the puddles do clearly resemble the dragongs. [[User:Crest|'''C R''']] [[User talk:Crest|'''E S''']] [[special:Contributions/Crest|'''T ☆''']] 22:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Nice try Crest... Or should I say Super Max? The admins can see your IP address... --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

==Shut the hell up==

Speculation like this has no place on Bulbapedia. Take it to the forums. [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 22:14, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's now 5-2, and we are arguing about how to improve the article, so it does belong on Bulbapedia, even 2 admins are involved in the argument, and can you talk to people with a bit more respect, we have a code of conduct page you know. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 22:17, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:{{p|Ditto}} on the {{bp|Code of conduct|conduct thing}}. But in case you didn't know, Max, Ketsuban's an admin too...--[[Flash Fire (ability)|freezing]][[Heat Wave (move)|COLD]] ([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=34706 Take it to the forums.] [[User:Ketsuban|Ketsuban]] 22:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::This page isn't just a speculation. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 08:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:::She was talking about people seeing the Dragon trio in the puddle's shapes, not the page itself. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 08:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Ahh. I thought it was the article. SMax's answer made me confused. @_@ '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 08:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

== Lake Guardians ==

Should the article be renamed with this? They were referred like this. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 14:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:Capitalized or no? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:15, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
::I guess it's better if it isn't capitalized. It would be consistent with the other pages. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 18:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Where were they referred to as Lake Guardians? I've not beat Platinum yet. -[[User:Smeargle|Smeargle]] 19:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::::It's from the show. At least it's better than a fan-made term. [[User:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|'''J''']]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|'''M''']] 21:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::I agree. And could we call the Weather Trio "Superancient titans" or something like that? Or maybe call them a legendary duo with Rayquazza as the duo master? --[[Gallade|'''エ''']][[User:Galladeon|'''ルレ''']][[User talk:Galladeon|'''イ''''''ド''']] 04:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah I like Lake Guardians better. [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 18:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Lake Guardians is official. The others aren't, but we should use this name, rather than a fan-name. Also, I could've sworn I saw it in Platinum as well. But it's been used in canon, so it's of higher worth than a fan-made terminology. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 18:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

== Puddle Shapes ==

I just noticed something. Uxie has a circular head, Azelf has a triangular head, and Mesprit has four things on its head that, if spread out, would make an x shape. If you connect the points on an X, you get a square

...Didn't ANYBODY else see this? ~ Shadowater [April 11th, 2009, 9:46 PM GMT -7 (I don't know how to use the time stamp >.<)]
:Just type four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:02, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
::No, sorry, we were busy arguing about whether or not they're the Dragon Trio's heads.
::This is an interesting theory, but I don't see it in Mesprit. It looks triangular, too. It's otherwise a neat pattern, though. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 20:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
:A circle, a triangle and an X are the three symbols used for judging in the Set KO Tourney in Emerald aren't they? [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 12:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Whereas I see no resemblance to the dragon trio, nor any significance to the overall shape of the puddles, I have noticed something about the dots in the puddles. In all three, there appears to be a sort of triforce made up of two dots and the respective Pokemon in the cave. However, the corner of the triangle in which the Pokemon appears is different between the three of them. Does this make sense or seem at all significant? {{unsigned|Skaisdead}}
:"As seen in the pictures below, the two circles in each of the Pokémon's caves are the relative positions of the other two, although the meaning of the shapes of the puddles is unknown." The positioning is based on the lakes' locations in Sinnoh. It's in the article already. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:10, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

the puddle of uxie looks like it is uxie when opening its eyes, mesprit puddle is like mesprit turning its head to the right. azelf's puddle takes a distorted image of its head. it might be spec but with concentration it could be seen as the heads of the lake trio.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Plate

2009-08-04T11:42:36Z

Nobody777: /* movie 12 plates */ new section

== Suggestion? ==

Perhaps this page should include the text that's inscribed on the back of the plates? Would be nice to have that compiled. -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 17:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Placement of this page. ==
I wasn't really sure where to put this information, so I just stuck it in a page of it's own for now. There didn't seem to be any clear place to put it, but if one comes up, feel free to merge. I also don't know the location of the Earth Plate - if anyone else knows, adding it would be funky.--[[User:Doctor Oak|Doctor Oak]] 07:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Engravings ==

Can we really know that's the right order? Besides the Dialga/Palkia/lake trio parts being together, it's pretty nonsensical.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
::Let's put each plate with its description instead... looks better and we don't have to care for the order. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I think we should try a sandbox version first, because it looks like I got a different Draco Plate quote than you. I'll check my notes again, but I am 90% certain my Draco Plate talked about "The Original One breathed alone".
:::Has anyone else gotten the plates with different quotes than was listed in the comments? Maybe the engravings are based on the order you pick them up, and not the plates themselves.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 08:07, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that the draco plate was the one that said:
Three beings were born to bind time and space."
But I could be wrong, as i don't have any notes.--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 21:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm sure they go in the order that you find them. 1st you find has the first message, second has the second, etc. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 21:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:And do they repeat for the second lot of eight? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

== ??? Plate ==

My friend has a "Crystal Plate" and he was able to make his Arceus into the ???-type Arceus. He got it from his friend's glitched game. [[Image:Ani380MS.gif]]'''[[Latias (Pokémon)|Yin]][[Latios (Pokémon)|Yang]][[User:Yinyang1195|1195]]'''[[Image:Ani381MS.gif]] 20:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:Do you have proof? We're talking screenshots or videos here. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

::Sigh... no "Crystal Plate" or something was found inside the game's coding... too bad. ???-Type Arceus will never appear. Is it so difficult to understand? It was only placed in case of hacking, so the game would not crash. If it will ever appear in game it will be useless, cause it won't have weaknesses nor resistances nor get STAB for attacks. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry, I made a mistake. He said "Cursed Plate" and his "friend" that supposedly had it lies a lot. It was probably a lie. Can someone check? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 23:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Tell your friend that the sprite of ???-Type Arceus has the same function of the in-battle description (and contest effects) of {{m|Struggle}}... it is inaccessible if you don't hack your game, 'cause struggle cannot be learned by ANY Pokémon. But imagine if a Pokémon with Struggle goes into a contest and if it doesn't have description nor contest-effect it will be cathastrophic LOL xD. Same for ???-Type Arceus: if Arceus type is changed from Normal to ??? and you send it into battle and if there wasn't a sprite... you surely got it ;). '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 03:10, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Regigigas? ==

How do we know that that's what "defeated giants" means?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, that had me curious too. I don't recall anything in-game that ever mentioned it, and the only way that it could really make any sense is if it was the inscription on the Normal Plate, but seeing as how there ''isn't'' a Normal Plate, and the inscriptions aren't specific to the individual plates, that kind of goes out the window. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 05:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm new, so I'm not sure how to do this really. If I put this in the wrong place, I'm sorry but I've got Pokemon Diamond Version. I can't remember where, but it's somewhere hard to get to but I found a plate called the "Mysterious Plate" but before I checked the plates on Bulbapedia, thought it was an average type plate. If I ever find it again, I'll try to take a picture somehow from my DS but I swear I'm not joking or lying about this. craigybabyxo, 14:01 (GMT)
:I got a better idea... show me the part of the coding where the "Mysterious Plate" is and I'll believe you. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Changing a link? ==

Three beings were born to bind time and space."
Does this third one mean Giratina? Because it cannot be the lake trio, as the link claims, because they created the spirit. I think this link should be changed into one that navigates too the "dragon trio" page, although i don't really want to take a side in that true or false row until i see proof. "Two beings of time and space set free from the Original One." This could mean that while Dialga and Palkia created time and space, Giratina helps to hold it together. The distortion world could be glue, oh hang on, what a stupid suggestion--[[User:100xstupid|100xstupid]] 21:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

According to Giratina and the Sky Warrior the Reverse World (anime version of the Distortion World) says that one can't survive with out the other... I think. [[User:Vespitomb|Vespi]][[User Talk:Vespitomb|tomb>]] 19:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

== Stone Plate ==

Where do you find the Stone Plate in Platinum?
My little brother is looking for it, and on here it just says Mt. Coronet (which is a very big place) and it has D/P next to it, meaning Diamond and Pearl, so where do you find it in Platinum? [[User:Max King|Max King]] 13:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you also get it at Mr. Coronet in Platinum, however I may be wrong, so don't take my word for it. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 13:26, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::It says DP only in the actual Mt Coronet article, thanks for the help though Takoto [[User:Max King|Max King]] 23:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

== movie 12 plates ==

the plates in the movie 12 swarming around arceus, look different than the in-game sprites. anybody have a reason for this?

Talk:Heatran (Pokémon)

2009-02-11T16:11:15Z

Nobody777: /* movie 12 */ new section

Um...A Hydra? How's that possible? I only see one head on that thing!--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 18:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing myself. Although I do believe the Hydra posessed only one head until hercules started chopping them off. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
:Nope, that's only in the Disney movie. It already had several heads when Heracles first confronted it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 11:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Is it really 0x fire damage to Heatran? -Gab
:Yes, due to its {{a|Flash Fire}} ability. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== Relation to Dialga and Palkia ==
"Heatran was born from the flames of a volcano when Dialga, Palkia and their relations first created the universe. The lava and magma pooled together to became Heatran."
I've only ever seen this here. I don't recall it ever being mentioned at all in the games. Seriously, does ''every'' Sinnoh Legendary have to be related to be related to the creation myth?--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 01:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think Buck's grampa says it. - Vereux0
Even then lava and magma are the same thing so it doesn't make any sense. The only difference between the two is that one is made above ground and the other underneath it. -Lord Hyren 23:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== Evolution? ==

I know Heatran is a Legendary and can't evolve, but the official Prima guide for Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2 says something different. In the back of the book there's a Bulbasaur-Darkrai Pokédex. It has a part where it shows the evolution line for that Pokémon. If a Pokémon doesn't evolve, it says "Does not Evolve", but for Heatran, it says "*" and under it, it says "*Check the official Pokémon website in the future for a possible announcement about Heatran [pokemon.com]". [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 21:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Ooh! I just found out is has the same thing for {{tt|Giratina|Origin Forme?}} [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 21:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
::It's mabye the new forms or a '''big mistake''' in the book '''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''
:::Hmmm... So that means Heatran might appear in movie 11, eh? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Mabye wat woulf Heatran have to with a movie a small-role,camao appearence?who knows '''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''05:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::We're probably just gonna have too wait and see. To be honest, i didn't/don't think Heatran is going to be in the new Movie...I just had a feeling it won't. [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]] 06:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:Too many legendaries in one movie= Terrible movie. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Optimatum</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:30 10 May 2008'''''
::Yes it is too many Pokemon Legends they '''need'' to save some for the '''NEXT MOVIE'''.
'''[[User:CoolPikachu!|Cool]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|Pikachu]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|!]]'''

:::As far as Legendaries go, I don't think Heatran will make a good movie subject. It doesn't have an exciting a backstory as the rest. They need to just go ahead and make an Arceus movie. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

i think it will appear in the eleventh movie cuz of the deck set: cry from the mysterious\temple of anger as heatran is shown in the pack art and in that article it says that it the deck will debut around the time of the elventh movie.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:30, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

The people at Prima who make the Pokémon guides are IDIOTS. In the Pokémon Colloseum "guide", they said that BAYLEEF should be used to take down the GOLBAT used by one of the trainers in the Pyrite Town square; anyone who's actually played these games knows that a Golbat would kick a Bayleef's ***.
:If you're going to use a Player's Guide for these games, go for the Nintendo Power ones (even if the guide quality has declined since Nintendo Power was bought by that other magazine company). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:04, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

::Not every Prima guide's terrible. Yes, they do put out some crappy ones, but they put out a quite excellent one for the Gamecube version of {{wp|The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess}}. Sure, there are a few errors in that guide (a 100-Rupee chest was put down by Prima as being at the Bridge of Eldin and not the Great Bridge of Hylia where it actually is, and they missed two chests in the choking mists of Faron Woods and one more in the Gerudo Desert), but it's probably one of the best game guides I've ever used despite those errors.

::Case in point: Judge the trash by what's inside, not by a logo on the outside. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, you have a point, the Twilight Princess one was pretty good. Must be it's just the Pokémon ones that have what seems like a minimum of 3 mistakes per page. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 15:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

So Heatran really do have a new form, given the new evidence! I wonder if they'll create a 4th version of DP and have it as the mascot! Um, or they will simply give out a item that will transfer it to the new form in a event!-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:We've not seen a fourth version except in the Japanese Generation I.. so I [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remakes|Disagree]]. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']] [[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]] 11:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Well. I've the PMD2 pokedex like brochure on the net,it wasnt really a good resolution and captions were written to clarify, same thing written about heatran evolution and giratina evolution, so we got a 50% chance that Pokémon A in movie 12 is a new forme heatran OR Arceus.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 11:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== movie 12 ==

Heatran is officially included in movie 12, read serebii to see.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 16:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Giratina (Pokémon)/Archive 1

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== Error? ==

''"Giratina is the second dual-type Pokémon that has weaknesses to both of its own types. The other one is [[Nincada]]."''
"'''''The other one is Nincada'''''" - This is incorrect because Nincada is not weak to [[Bug]] or [[Ground]].
Which Pokemon is actually waek to '''both of its types'''? [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 18:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:None that I know of. The only types that are weak to themselves are ghost and dragon. I can't think of another combination with the same effect. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|ElectAbuzzzz]] 18:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Maybe somebody did just make an error... I might as well remove it then. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 18:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:If anything, I'd've thought it'd be {{p|Shedinja}}. Remember, to be weak to both of your own types means that one of the types could be weak to itself and the other type. The question is... what Pokémon could be weak to both of its own types? It doesn't seem like any of them could be. I mean, technically, {{p|Sableye}} and {{p|Spiritomb}} are weak to both {{t|Dark}} and {{t|Ghost}} on their Ghost-type, but their Dark-type covers both. So yeah, you're right. Until we get another Ghost/Dragon (which I hope is soon), we're not gonna have any Pokémon weak to their type twice. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 05:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
:: I'm hoping to see a Psychic/Dark or Psychic/Ghost type Pokémon... think about it... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 21:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I know this dosen't fit with previous topics, but i'm worried there might be an error in my game. Is giratina supposed to dissapear if you make it faint?
:... uh, yeah. That's what the legendaries do. If you take them out, you just blew your chance and you'd better not have saved. --[[User:Pie|Pie]] ~[[User talk:Pie|♪]][[Special:Contributions/Pie|♫]] 15:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

== Devil? ==

How is giratina the devil of poke'mon? It just lives on an opposite side of the world. Plus I don't think the developers are aware of the body part thing. It is also irrelevant to the subject.--[[user:arceus fan|arceus fan]] [[image:ArceusDP.png|35px]] 21:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
: I agree. If no one objects, I will take it out now.--[[User:Dual|Dual]] 06:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:: Whoever changed it back, don't do it again. Giratina is NOT the Devil Pokemon. Get over it. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 17:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Actually, Giratina lives in am alternate dimension within the same universe (wierd, right?).--[[User:SorakuFett|SorakuFett]] 22:47, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

== Fourth lake of Sinnoh ==

Can we be so sure that Giratina is really part of the [[Dragon trio]]? It makes sense if you think everything through, but I find it interesting that Giratina is found in a cave near the "fourth lake of Sinnoh". Can it be assumed that Giratina has ''some'' association with the [[Lake trio]], or is that simply too much of a stretch? // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 23:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:Arceus created Dialga/Palkia ''and'' the lake trio. It's not hard to see the link there. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
also they all have equal base stats just in a different order and the footprints all resemble crowns and it stars in a game along with them and they all rule over different universal planes time, space, and the reverse world but the reverse world could be a reality made by palkia so until they give the official word nobody knows

== H/W eight ==

The Height and Weight of Giratina's two forms are different. Should we place both of the weights and heights in the article (or in List of Articles by Weight or List of Articles by Height)?{{ani|486}}[[User:Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''Poke'''''</big>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|'''''Maniac''''']][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<big>'''''102'''''</big>]]{{ani|492}} 18:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think we should put somthing in like this,
Origin Form Height: Blah
Another Form Height: Blah
Origin Form Weight: Blah
Another Form Weight: Blah
(of course replacing blahs with data)(i don't know how to do it)[[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 00:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== Opal trademark ==

I know we've had this conversation already on the Gold/Silver remakes talk page, but does anyone KNOW for certain that Nintendo trademarked the name Pokémon Opal? As far as I know, nobody's had any luck confirming the DuskGold/DawnSilver trademarks, so how do we know this one is for real, too? --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] 07:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:http://www.pokemonopal.com proves this pretty well. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 07:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
::Definitely hard to argue with that. Thanks. [[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]] 23:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Couldn't someone have just bought the domain name and have it redirect to Nintendo?--[[User:Ocean2292|Ocean2292]] 22:14, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

According to serbii, it is Pokémon PLatium, and Grantia is the Verson Mascot, I don't like where this is going, can someone block the pages: GRantinia, SHaymin, Regigiggas, Verson Mascot and anything to do with this Pokémon Platium thing, I don't want false rumors Spreading. I guess I'll put a link: http://serebii.net/index2.shtml --[[User:Quick Man|Quick Man]] 14:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

: Platinum? That's a surprise, since that has nohing to do with a Diamond or a Pearl. Then again, Crystal didn't match Gold and silver, so... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 14:32, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Platinum actually does make some sense, though. Platinum in Japanese can be プラティナム ''puratinamu'', or more commonly, プラチナ ''purachina'' (keep in mind ''chi'' and ''ti'' are essentially interchangeable, at least prounounciation/romanization wise). Now, both words contain ''ratina'', just like ギラティナ ''Giratina''. Pu'''ratina'''mu/Pu'''ratina''', Gi'''ratina'''... Makes sense to me, anyway. Maybe even more than ''girasol''. Either way, though, Platinum is just a rumor for now. The only problem is that http://www.pokemonplatinum.com doesn't ridirect to Nintendo like http://www.pokemonopal.com does, although I'm sure that will change if the rumors are true. We'll see what happens in the next CoroCoro... [[User:Homerowed|Homerowed]] 05:23, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== !protectnao ==

Okay, with this ''unconfirmed'' Pokémon Platinum b/s being added to the page (Along with random "e"s added to everything), I request protection. <s>Else, I'll have to be adding my own fake stuff such as ''Lisae Franke Forme'' and the like. *runs*</s> [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
: The "random "e"s" are being added because that's how the Official stuff for the 11th movie names the forms of Giratina; if they use "Origine" and "Forme", ''that's because it's supposed to be like that'' and we're not to question it. Otherwise we would use "Tears for Fears" instead of "Tears For Fears!", for example. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 17:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
http://www.filb.de/content/scans/corocoro/2008-04/2.jpg
See it? '''ORIGINE FORME''', '''ANOTHER FORME'''. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 17:51, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, yeah. This is getting out of hand. Protect. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 17:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Protected, but the main reason actually WASN'T the excess E's. It was some bull**** unconfirmed report about a tie-in of its name to platnium based on unconfirmed rumors of the third to Diamond and Pearl being a Platnium (the chances of that being true are slim to none). --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:Darling, they're all possibilities! I bet you weren't there when the name was conceived. - [[User:D-Wheel|D-Wheel]] 18:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::Eh, I just hope they don't keep those stupid E's in English. Otherwise we'll have Deoxys Normale Forme, Attacke Forme, Defence Forme, and Speede Forme. Yes, Defence with a C. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Don't make me start the "sitting on Defence" jokes. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:49, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh? You have a problem with English spelling TTE? [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]]
Yeah, we really have to get rid of the extra e's. This is english after all. [[User:Noname|Noname]]
:Respectful disagreement. The [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/special/platinum/02.html Platinum website] uses "forme" as well, although it's reverted to "origin". Surely you've seen places that jokingly spell their names "ye olde shoppe," or something similar. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::But we don't know if NOA will go for the fake-Medieval feel. Until we get English confirmation, we should follow the precedent of Deoxys and use modern English. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 21:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::All right, that makes sense. But I think we should definitely at least mention the 'Forme' stuff in the trivia sections of this page and others it's relevant to. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Didn't anyone notice that this magazine used Shaymin's U.S. name in it? Wonder why... --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 07:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'm trying to understand why people are having such a hard time accepting an official spelling. If the English game gets rid of the "ye olde" then we'll get rid of it then, but by "proper English" rationale we should be calling them "crabby" and "dugong". It's a stylized spelling like any ''Pokémon'' name.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

::::::I'm afraid there doesn't seem to be any solving this civilly or simply through discussion. Therefore, I grudgingly <s>announce</s> propose a poll. That's right, a poll. I'm not going to really get into this aside from offering my opinion, and of course voting, but this seems to be a popular topic for discussion, so this page should see a lot of action in the next few hours/days. I'll add the poll momentarily to the bottom of the page. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Oh boy. Check Deoxys on the official American Pokedex: http://www.pokemon.com/Pokedex/flash.asp I'm afraid that That solves the question. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 01:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

::::::::Good. There we go, folks. Discussion closed. Now, could somebody please protect this? I see no reason to encourage certain users by allowing them to continue ignoring the facts. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Shoot. That means we have to go around and edit all the {{p|Deoxys}} stuff so it says "forme," too. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 01:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Does Uraptu work for Pokemon.com or something? Unless Deoxys is somehow involved in movie 11, I see no reason why they've done that. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:My guess is because two common words like "Another" and "Form" are difficult to trademark together. It's why Hasbro released a toy called "Battle Ravage," because it was too hard to get a trademark on just {{wp|Ravage (Transformers)|Ravage}}, since it's such a common word. So "Another Forme," "Sky Forme," and "Defense Forme" are easier to trademark than they would be if they were spelled correctly. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 19:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:: So "Deoxys Normal Form" would be harder to trademark than "Deoxys Normal Forme"? "Deoxys" itself aint exactly a dictionary word.

:: Besides, wouldn't those four ''already'' be trademarked by now? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Maybe, maybe not. Like I said, it was only a guess. But "Deoxys" almost certainly wouldn't be part of the trademark. The bulbanews article mentioned that "Land form" and "Sky form" (or, as it now almost surely is, "Land Forme" and "Sky Forme") were trademarked without any Pokémon name, which is why we have to guess as to who it is. Origin and Another Formes were similarly free-floating trademarks, without "Giratina" anywhere in the title.
:::ANYWAY, it doesn't matter now. The E is in officially. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 22:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Quick thought: Has anybody checked the Japanese site's Pokedex lately? I wonder if the Japnese names for Deoxys's forms have changed as well... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 00:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Er, there's no English on the Japanese Pokédex.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think he was asking about the Japanese names themselves. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 01:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::...oh. He actually says that outright. Ahahaha. They use the obvious katakana spellings of "Normal," "Attack," "Defense," and "Speed," and the same katakana for "form(e)" as Giratina's (フォルム ''forumu'').--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::: So if that's their version, what's everyone else using as "form" (Burmy etc)? [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 10:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

::Is there a specific reason why "Forme" was just recently changed to "Form"? I was under the impression that the former was the official spelling. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 23:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

== Name Origin ==

To Cassius335: How the hell did you get Guillotine,Giraffe from Giratina?? Girasol and platina are the only words to make Giratina. [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 11:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

THANK YOU FORCE FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:You know, if it was based on that word, then it should learn the [[Guillotine (move)|move]]...Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:45 16 May 2008'''''

I think we have a clear verdict here.[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 19:47 16 May 2008
:Hmm, Guillotine, Giratina. G<s>u</s>i'''ra'''<s>llo</s>tin<s>e</s>'''a'''. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:50 16 May 2008'''''

:: Hmmmmm. I do see how guillotine is part of the name, But why giraffe? [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 11:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
But why would Game Freak go through so much trouble of breaking down Guillotine and adding an 'a' to the end when the mascots of Diamond and Pearl are derived from there respective jewel, so obviously they would do similar with the third mascot hence Girasol and Platinum being in Giratina's name.[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 20:04 16 May 2008
: Yes, we get the idea, I agree, You agree, everyone agrees, Damnit! [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 12:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
OK!I'm just making a point so that Cassius335 sees that he or she doesn't have to be perfect and that people get it wrong sometimes.[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 20:09 16 May 2008

Girasol (hence the 'gira' part) + Platina (hence the 'tina' part) = Giratina!
:And do sign off, <s>b@$+@rd</s>...{{u|Tina}} could be also an origin, according to you. Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''11:54 16 May 2008'''''

Sorry I forget sometimes.[[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 19:56 16 May 2008
:You attacked me personally. Now tell me, who's better at wikicode? TTE! Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''12:11 16 May 2008'''''
:: You two knock it off! That is not the reason Bulbapedia is here for. [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 12:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

No Comment.[[User:Big Johnno|Big Johnno]] 20:16 16 May 2008

So it's named after a Jewel and a Metal? I'm leaning more towards '''Gira'''ffe, myself (look at the shape of Another Form).

And frankly "Don't argue with me because I just figured it out" did not inspire confidence. Bulbapedia needs facts, not opinions.

Best to leave the four as was until someone an actually provide a proper source. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:39, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I think this should be Protected due to the edits....... [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 09:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Next person to revert will be shot. Stop it, and we'll have a discussion here about it.
Personally I agree with Big Johnno, Giraffe has no place there. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 10:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh? Where are the Girasols,then? All I'm asking for is something to back-up what otherwise is just Big Johnno's opinion, not a fact. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:'''Gira'''sol and Pla'''tina''' [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 23:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::OBVIOUSLY GIRATINA'S NAME ORIGIN IS FROM ME AND GIRASOL, BECAUSE I'M AWESOME.
::...I'm sorry. I needed to say something. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::: Did anyone force you to? --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 23:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::She meant it as a way of need to acknowledge herself in the discussion•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|P]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|M]][[:Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]]''' 23:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well yeah and my inner troll told me to do so anyway. lol. Besides. It was asking for it. [[User:Tina|Tina]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|☆]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 23:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Dang you must be ugly•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|P]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|M]][[:Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|102]]''' 23:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Girasol doesn't seem to fit. It did when we thought DPv3 would be called Opal, but now that it's being called Platinum, I doubt it. Giraffe is just way out of left field. The last time I checked, giraffes didn't have monstrous claws running up and down their necks. Guillotine... maybe, since Giratina seems to be associated with death. But like Optimus35 said, why doesn't it learn the move, then?
:::::::Also: Why hasn't this been protected yet? --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 23:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: '''Gira'''sol...... --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 07:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Guillotine also would not fit, unless you are grasping at straws. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 08:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::If you're speaking in strict phonetic terms, then no. Although there is the whole R vs. L thing in Japanese... anyway, I'm thinking more along the lines of fitting thematically. Girasol doesn't work, unless they were planning to call it Opal and changed it to Platinum at the last minute to throw off everyone who had figured it out (doubtful if the -tina part really comes from Platina). And Guillotine does fit ''sort of'', but not quite as well as I'd like. Anyway, I do think Big Johnno's ideas for this have more grounding than Cassius's. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 08:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::: Big Johnno doesn't ''have'' any grounding. He just gave us his opinion with nothing to back it up. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]]

Ooo girare actually suits Giratina pretty good I mean like theres that saying the dead wander the earth forever or something simliar and Giratina is an undead Pokémon
: Glinn Mgraw said leave it alone--[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 10:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
: That means YOU too Big Johnno... [[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 10:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:: Yes, but he's saying "leave it alone" ''after'' siding with Big Johnno and eliminating two. I say leave all possibilities in play until we can eliminate them with facts. "Girare" is an interesting one though. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::Pulling this out of the text wall...

"Giraffe is just way out of left field. The last time I checked, giraffes didn't have monstrous claws running up and down their necks. Guillotine... maybe, since Giratina seems to be associated with death. But like Optimus35 said, why doesn't it learn the move, then?"

:: Giraffe's aren't supposed to have a second face on their tails either, and yet we have Girafarig. As for why Giratina doesn't learn Guillotine... no idea. Maybe the Japanese didn't make the connection. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Maybe it's because Giratina doesn't come from Guillotine? SHOCK HORROR. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 11:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::: Giratina phonetically is (roughly) Gir-ah-teen-ah. Knock off the second 'ah' and what do you get?

:::: Not saying anything for definite though. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Mind if I jump in here? No? Tough. Cassius dude, tell me something, because I'm totally confused here - how the ''hell'' does Giratina resemble, or even RELATE to, a freaking guillotine?! Or a giraffe?! It's blatantly obvious to even the dumbest of people that Giratina comes from ''gira''sol and pla''tina''. Go and pick on some other Pokémon. [[User:Double Dash|Cipher]] 13:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::::: Try reading the page once in a while. As has already been pointed out, Girasol doesn't work any more (some people can't accept that the third game is '''not''' Pokémon Opal). Giraffe (I'm guessing) is because Giratina's a four-legged long necked creature (ok, six-legged, but still...). Guillotine as I mentioned ''in the post above yours'' is a phonetic soundalike.

::::: Neither of these are my theories, I'm just trying to stop people from jumping to conclusions without a shred of proof. Which, last I checked, we're not supposed to do. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 16:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yet you're doing the same thing. These ideas may not be yours, but your constantly re-adding them is the same as what Big Johnno's doing. I suggest we just put down ''all'' the ideas we've had so far and figure this out without an edit war going on. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 21:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::::::: Um... he's taking way, I'm restoring them. That's not quite the same thing.

::::::: And what's currently on the page ''is'' all of the idea's so far. That was kind of the point. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 21:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Aren't '''all''' name origins of Pokémon speculation and opinion? As far as I know, Nintendo has '''never''' came out and said, "This is where we got the name." And, while most are obvious, some are not. Just look at that section on {{P|Corphish}}. It's highly doubtful that its name comes from an obscure fishing term from the 1600s, but it's still mentioned on the page. I see no harm in keeping all possibilities, no matter how unlikely. [[User:Zurqoxn|Zurqoxn]] 22:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:You must draw a line in the sand at some point. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 07:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::Did anyone mention girasol or something like that? Because it says girasol along with what you guys said earlier. Oh, and by the way? DEFINITELY NOT GIRAFFE. I'm sorry, it just doesn't make any sense at all. Really, it doesn't. Really. [[User:ZanderX|Zander]] 06:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Origin Forme Picture ==

Wouldn't it make more sense to have Giratina's origin forme art from Platinum, then the art from the anime?

Deoxys uses all of his Sugimori art on his page, and none of the other Pokémon have their anime art on their pages (besides screenshots).

So why was the other art gotten rid of from the page? [[User:Pokemega32|Pokemega32]] 19:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
: There's no point having two pictures of the same thing. --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 23:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::He was asking why we got rid of the Sugimori art and kept the anime art instead of the other way around, not why we didn't keep both. At any rate, I changed it after seeing his comment, so now we have the Sugimori art alone. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Talk))]] 23:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::where did we get the shiny origine sprite? '''[[:User:Origamiguy|OrigamiGuy]]-[[:User_talk:Origamiguy|Talk]]-[[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|Contribs]]-[[:User_talk:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|Mudkipz]]''' 17:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Someone recoloured the normal sprite. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 17:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::and so it'll be changed again when the official sprite is released i presume. '''[[:User:Origamiguy|OrigamiGuy]]-[[:User_talk:Origamiguy|Talk]]-[[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|Contribs]]-[[:User_talk:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|Mudkipz]]''' 17:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::If there's any real difference. Origin Forme Giratina has the same colors as Another Forme Giratina, so why would the shiny ones differ? It's the same as Deoxys. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Because the real-deal is always superior in quality to the recolor.--[[User:Xparasite9|Xparasite9]] 03:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Protection request ==

A lot of people have making changes and undoing changes. I say we protect it for a while. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 20:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:You freakin want everything protected. But for this article, yea, me too•'''[[User:Pokemaniac102|Poke]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|maniac]]102''' 21:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

== Shiny is near-perfect negative? ==

The article says that the shiny sprite is a near-perfect negative of the normal sprite.
I ask you, does the following look like the statement is true? the only thing that matches up are the red (blue) bands and wing-horns.
 
[[{{ns:6}}:Not-reverse-colors.PNG|Shiny Giratina is not a negative]]--[[User:Xparasite9|Xparasite9]] 03:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:I think what was really meant was "nearly opposite in color", regular has gold, shiny has silver, regular has silver, shiny has gold, regular has red, shiny has blue. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Lack of Land/Lowered Level ==

the lowered level seems to make sense because of the fact that he had just entered the dimension, which would theoretically weaken him. the lack of land seems to be either giratina floating in the air, a reflection of the fact that there is no land in the reverse world, or that he is still in the teleportation rift.

[[User:Arutoa|Arutoa]] 21:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

== Tutor Moves ==

is there a platinum standard template that could be used for Giratina's tutored move, Draco Meteor?
[[User:Meman140|meman140]] 01:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Done and done. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. [[User:Meman140|meman140]] 00:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

== Art in the infobox ==

I know with Deoxys we do the "standard forme" thing... but we have Wormadam with all three of her coats, same with Burmy, and Shellos and Gastrodon in both West and East Sea variations. I know that's how the Sugimori art came, but why the heck not combine the images into one, then put it in the infobox? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Doesn't Giratina have 3 Platinum sprites? 2 Origin and 1 Another. How will you place that? tc26 23:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:The game isn't even out yet!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 23:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::Screenshots!! tc26 23:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I know but we're still thinking!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 23:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:::And they may be more~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 23:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Well most likely there's only 1 Another and 1 Origin for Platinum, The Platinum Origin is likely a moving image~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] 23:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The new shiny sprite is all wrong. One of its eyes is still red, and the body color wasn't even changed. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 05:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry about the recloration. I be someone would come along and fix it eventually if I don't have the time to. There is 1 another and 1 origin in platinum but 1 orign and 2 another in DP AND Platinum.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 05:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::Oh! and, tc26, could you help buy making a transparent background for Giratina Origine forme? I have no idea how to do it. Thanks and sorry if I troubled you.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 05:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, later. i'm doing some things right now. I'll just make a new one since that one has several errors in coloring.tc26 06:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I think that it have to take the three sprites of Platinum, as the sprites of Deoxys in D/P --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 19:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::Nevermind about the transparent background. I managed to do that this morning. But we still need to fix the shiny sprite.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 21:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
::I already fixed it only the eye is a problem--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 21:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Are you serious? The forehead was silver. Some parts were red! The other eye was red! The shading wasn't exactly right. I uploaded my own now.tc26 11:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
http://www.serebii.net/platinum/pokemon/487-a.png
Where would this go in the sprite box? This is his older form in Platinum. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 18:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
::Hey! That's what I asked yesterday! But apparently, they don't have table for both formes yet.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 21:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

:Let me try to add tables for ''both'' forms--[[User:CoolPikachu!|'''Cool''']][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|'''Pika''']][[User Talk:CoolPikachu!/Archive 1|'''chu!''']] 22:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

::Are we sure that's just not a new second frame of animation for the sprite? All D/P sprites have two, but only the static image is used. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 22:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I tried adding the tables, but it wouldn't work. You'll have to make a new template for it. Try asking Shinigpikablu for help. He'll know what to do.--[[User:Taviource|Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 23:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Origin Shiny ==

Isn't that Shiny Origin Forme sprite a fan-colored estimation? Can someone rip and upload the ACTUAL Origin Forme Shiny Sprite, as there will certainly be some colour differences? I see Shiny Rotom Forms are already uploaded, so Shiny Origin Giratina wouldn't be a problem, would it? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:28, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:The official sprite is there now. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']] 23:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Pokédex ==

Well, I got the Platinum Pokédex entry, but I don't know how to read Hiragana:

あぱれものゆえおいだされたがわぶれたせかいといねれるばしょでしずかにもとのせかいをみていた.

So anyone can translate it? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::No one is on Bulbapdia at this moment...and the above sentece probably has an error, for it doesn't make any sense.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 04:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::It says something like, "Oh, Paremono Oidasa is just why I am not Bureta seka nereru." And then something about chanigng into origine form when...something...something.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 04:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::::No. I'm sure it doesn't have any errors. But anyways... I think it's better to wait till we have an official translation... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Okay no thanks Babelfish. And no thanks typos on that Japanese right there. ("あ'''ば'''れものゆえおいだされたがやぶれたせかいとい'''わ'''れるばしょでしずかにもとのせかいをみていた。")
:::::Anyway, here's what I was able to come up with. I'd like someone to check it first because I feel a bit iffy about it, but, uh...who reads Japanese here besides me? Zhen? And waiting for the official translation is wise...anyway, the translation. "'''Because of its violent behavior, it was driven out into the Torn World, from where it silently gazes upon our world.'''"--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::If we're to use the Japanese translations we should make sure we can tell they're just translations and not the official US text when Pt comes out here. Put a <code><nowiki>Ja</nowiki></code> in there. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I heard the translation was "'''Although it is banished for being a tyrannian creature, it quietly watches our world from a place called the Torn World.'''" [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']] 23:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Just wait until the game comes out. Online Japanese translators are so full of mistakes. Ask the M3 translation. [[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic]] 23:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::It's translating from Japanese text. Obviously wording is going to differ between translations, m190049.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I used the Google translator and got "OIDASA PAREMONO is why I was NERERU BURETA place in the world and is based in the world peacefully and was expected." --[[user:Baby G|Baby G]] ([[user talk:Baby G|talk to me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Baby_G|see my edits]]) 21:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Never trust a Google Translator... At least, when translating more than a single word. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 20:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== Capture video ==

It comes in from the top in that video... do they ''all'' do that, or just Giratina? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:Not only that... the player gets teleported to Turnback Cave after battling Giratina. I wonder what's inside there this time? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 05:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::A portal back to the Torn World. However only a small area is available. In there is the Platinum Orb, and literally nothing else.[[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']] 23:36, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:::So can you ever go back to the Torn World afterward? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:14, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::You can never go back to the giant maze area you went through when you first entered the torn world from the events at the Spear Pillar. However, from Turnback Cave, you can go back to that smaller area, where the Platinum Orb is. After you get that... There is nothing else there. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 21:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Huh? But the place where the Platinum orb is looks like the area just before battling Giratina, plus an item ball. Is it really just that small area and nothing else? Poo. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 22:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::In that case, imma gonna explore that place fully before exiting!
:::::And think how much a Walk Through Walls code would screw up in the torn world with all those sideways platforms and stuff...'''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 12:03, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

==Behavior==
Shouldn't we add Giratina is apparently very violent in behavior and protective of its home?[[User:Shadow1337|Shadow1337]] 23:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:The Pokédex in Platinum describes Giratina with a word to the effect of "violent" or "tyrannical", so I'd say yes.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it attacked Dialgia cause of the pollution. [[User:ArceusEX]]

== Animated sprite? ==

Well, I don't remember where, but... Is it ok if we update the sprites? I mean because someone said that Crystal and Emerald have their own set of animated sprites, and PNG animations doesn't look bad: [[Image:MGiratina.png]] '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Origin Forme trigger ==

I says Ruined world but wouldn't Platinum orb be better since you almost never get to go to the Ruined world after you catch it.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 15:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:What? That doesn't make sense to me... [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:33, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
::I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that, yes, when you first go to the ruined world, Giratina is in the Origin Forme but, after that, you can only go back to a small portion of said world and find the Pltinum Orb which allows Giratina to go Origin in the normal world to. Currently, the evobox says that the "evolution" trigger is Pokémon world (Another) and Ruined world (Origin) since that's really just during the event, I think it should say Platinum orb or both but am asking for opinions.--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 04:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

== Giratina=Palkia+Dialga ==

You should notice that Giratina is the pokemon of dimensions. Dialga and Plakia are the pokemon of time and space. Dimesions are made up of time and space, so wouldn't that make Giratina have as much power over the universe as Plkia and Dialga combined?--[[User:SorakuFett|SorakuFett]] 22:53, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:Who said Giratina is the "Pokémon of dimensions"?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
::[[Legendary_Pokémon#Legendary_dragons]]. I disagree, but it's there. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 23:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Your logic is not flawed, but I think its just worded wierd on that page. Not neccesarily dimensions[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::::Okay, what I meant was, "who ''officially'' said Giratina is the Pokémon of dimensions?" I'm not going to trust a page ''we'' made on good faith.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::No one will ever say that, because it's ridiculous. Only a 10 year old noob cannot understand that Time and Space are Dimensions. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 14:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Each demension has it's own time and it's own specific characteristics. Even if it was a mirror dimension, they are different: attitudes of beings, the way things work (government, physics, mechanics), and even Nature itself could be different. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

== Hades ==
I noticed something, wouldn't Giratina be similar to the greek god Hades? After all, he is basically the pokemon lord of the dead, guards a world in which no one wants to go, and possibly has something against the other rulers of reality.[[User:Hades666|--[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] ''([[User talk:Hades666|tAlk]])'']] 14:17, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
:Wait, what? Hades doesn't have anything against anybody. Unless you're talking about the Disney movie that enraged the nation of Greece with its monstrous inaccuracy?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 14:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
::Actually Hades was against Zeus, but so were half of the other Gods...[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 14:59, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Giratina is the lord of the dead? Really? Source, por favor. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 15:01, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Two things 1.Giratina is ''most likely'' lord of the dead due to being the only ghost type legendary and residing in a cave filled with ghosts or a spiritual dimension 2. Hades hated the other greek gods because while they got Mt. Olympous with its huge palace and lavish furnishings, while Hades had to spend almost all of his time in the dark, dank, underworld.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 16:02, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
:::You just aren't convincing me that Giratina's the lord of the dead. So he live in a different world. So what? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 16:06, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Alright, so I'm not convincing you. Well that's okay, he doesn't have to be, he just has to be similar enough to at least seem based off of Hades.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 17:31, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, still not convincing. (1) Hades indiscriminately hating all the other gods was something made up for the Disney movie. DCM is closer to correct, but that's because in the myths Zeus is...well, an overbearing asshole. (2) A warped and ''completely empty'' world ≠ world of the dead.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Comparing Giratina to Hades is an opinion. Opinions are not fact. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:05, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Oh and comparing him to a basilisk ''isn't''?! Oh and, by the way, although the disney movie ''did'' exagerate Hades's dislike of the other gods, he does dislike them in the actual greek myths, purely because they forced him to stay in the underworld.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 02:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, but they all hate each other. Poseiden hates Athena, The Goddess of Earth Hates hades.......i could go on[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
Where is there anything about Giratina hating Palkia, Dialga, and the others? It only attacked Dialga because of the pollution that had entered the other dimension because of the fight between the two Dragons. And in the next movie, Giratina is going to be fighting both of them out of anger, not hate. What would you do if somebody was destroying your world? Sit there? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:12, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, I tried.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 13:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm not saying you didn't but we can only put things in that everyone agrees with. Otherwise, some people would put things like "Mew is similar to Kirby because they're both pink", "Snorlax is like *insert celebrity's name here* dog, because they're both fat", stuff like that. Sorry if I came across harder than I meant to. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
::By the way, in response to that "what would I do?" rhetorical question, no, I wouldn't sit there, I would get in between them and tell them "STOP FIGHTING OR I WILL BEAT THE $#!% OUT OF YOU!".[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 17:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Fun. They wouldn't listen to you, and this is for the forums. If you really care enough, take it there, because I'm finished with this. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== Origin ==

As i knew Giratina has been originate in our {{wp|Bakunawa}}
why did you edit it why --[[User:Bakunawa|Bakunawa]] 07:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== Backbone ==

Giratina,How he appeared in {{g|Platinum}}.His Orgin form is his true form.Because he changed when he enter the Pokémon World.He begane to changed to Altered form.Thats what I think.[[User:DAWN FAN|Dawn's No.1 Fan,]] 17:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Eh? Origin forme could be his real one, could not be. I dont think thats a confirmation.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::My impression of the name "origin forme" meant that it was the 'natural' style, as opposed to the "altered forme." But that's just the English translation, I don't know the spirit of the Japanese... -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 17:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:::And of course I am assuming that Origin Forme can be used outside of the Distorted world, meaning it can take both formes.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]] 18:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:::"Spirit" of the Japanese? What do you mean? Just in case you mean the original Japanese names, they're the English words "origin" and "another."--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== One-of-a-kind ==
According to this page, Giratina is one-of-a-kind, and {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} aren't? Any inconsistencies?[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 15:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:This just needs fixing, as Dialga and Palkia are too. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 18:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

==It's colors==

In the article,should it be stated that the main colors on the shiny version are Blue(Crystal),Gold and Silver? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 02:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:I think I know what you're asking about, but we already decided for the GSDS page not to put anything about that. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 05:03, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Reason behind form change ==

I just added that the change in form happens because of a change in gravitational intensity.(look at the Distortion World!)
I got this information from Pokémon.com's official Website for Giratina and the Sky Warrior.

this actually will draw more speculation to the subject, like there might be more giratina formes since as seen in the pokémon world to have alot of dimensions, another speculation might be that girarina might change forme on the moon(I know its stupid and somewhat of speculation). But add thee gravitational intensity piece of information its really important.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:Why would Giratina, much less Ash and friends, go to the moon? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

read the mossdeep space centre, obviously nintendo wanted to launch the players into the final frontier--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::OR they obviously used the Space Centre for the Japanese games so players could get Jirachi, and then they took it out of the translated games.{{unsigned|Rocket Admin Hunter Blade}}
:::Except they didn't, Hunter Blade. And, uh, Nobody777...please stop speculating. (geez, I thought you were just being hypothetical to give another example of a difference in gravity, but...god.)--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

look at other articles of legendary Pokémon, they all got speculation, some of them are logical and the rest are not so if you're complaining about that go on, dont really care, and that is not speculation its simple logic about gravity differences.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 10:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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== Title translation ==
I'd like to note that 超克の時空 means the Space-Time of Overcoming/Conquering and not the other way around. Even if it doesn't make much sense, this means that "To the Conquering of Space-Time" is wrong and Serebii.net's "Towards The Overcome's Time Space" is the only English translation that seems correct with everyone else seemingly believing PokéBeach.
I think we need to correct this before people memorize the incorrect translation that we apparently see almost everywhere.
As for whether "overcoming" or "conquering", to me "overcoming" sounds more accurate, but I can't say for sure as I'm not a native English speaker. It should be considered that the official movie website has an explanation for the word which says that it means "to overcome difficulties/pain": http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/chokoku/
--[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 13:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

:Japanese is amazing eh? Considering ''everyone'' (including Serebii) has changed it to "To the Conquering of Space-Time" (and remember, the previous translation we had was "Towards Overcoming the Space-Time Void") there's either, A: a really bad translation going around, or B: People are all getting this from one source, i.e. the movie poster. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 13:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

::I don't see where you read "To the Conquering of Space-Time" on Serebii.net - I clearly read "Towards The Overcome's Time Space" there. Are you trying to tell us that the poster has an English version of the title? If so, would you kindly point out where exactly I can see this on the poster?! --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 15:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::What I meant was that most people over there are refering to it as such and Serebii himself has said that he is busy for the holidays, so it hasn't been changed yet. This universal translation; just accept it, its tenative anyway, we get the real title in Jan. And also, I can't read a word of Japanese, but if ''hundreds'' of fans can agree on a title, that says something. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

::::I would be willing to accept it as a universal translation, but your reasoning to call it that is pretty flawed. The number of people who can really tell whether the translation is accurate is by far less than "hundreds", most just take what is written and take it as confirmed as long as it isn't corrected. And if you say yourself that you can't read Japanese, why are you taking part in this discussion then? I mean, I don't mind your input, but you don't seem to belong to the people who can validate a translation either. It also isn't as tenative as you seem to think. Going by how Japanese movie titles have been in previous years, the title (and the logo) will be almost the same in its final version, only having a Pokémon name added to it - most likely it will be something like "超克の時空へアルセウス". And that's why we need to work out a more accurate translation as the order of words/kanji in the title can't just be a mistake, or at least it's not safe at all to assume so. Now if nobody else is interested in discussing this, I assume I shouldn't just go about changing the article and moving it. I'd be glad if someone with more knowledge of Japanese could contribute to this discussion. --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 11:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::I may not speak Japanese, but the translation Babel Fish (a very popular translation site) gives is "To the Conquering of Space-Time". Of course Babel Fish doesn't always translate well. [[User:Arceus is the Best|Arceus is the Best]] 23:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't like babelfish's translations, and agree with nYoo's point that "To the Conquering of Space-Time" is inaccurate, but the truth is the majority always wins. Most English-speaking Pokémon fans know this movie as "To the Conquering of Space-Time", and it would just be confusing to try and find a better translation, especially with the official one so close. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 11:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

I'll clear one thing up before I kick off the main point of the message: I fully believe that a movie featuring Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and Spear Pillar will feature Arceus. HOWEVER, in the blurb for PikaProj09 on the movie list article (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_movie) it is stated that the movie is "expected to feature Arceus." By whom? By whomever happened to write that sentence. I don't think that should be there until there is some actual proof beyond opinion. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]]
:Opinion... of 90% of the fandom. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes, but does that even matter? No doubt we will have it confirmed soon, we can readd it then. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 03:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:Here is a photo that could help with proving Arceus is in the movie. The pic is from pokebeach but they only outlined part of what seems to be part of the "pointed ring" that is showed in the light.I circled the other parts. Looking at it from different angles, sometimes I think i can see its ears and a small part of its head. But that's what i think i saw so i didn't circle it. You can see it very well in the first pic. Since many people say that arceus is in the movie, I'd say this is very good proof.
[[Image:Arceus-comparison.jpg]]

Sorry it is so small as soon as I enlarge it, I will upload it.

Edit:
OK, so here is the enlarged pic, I know the arceus parts are faded, but you can still see the major parts.
[[Image:Arceus-comparison 2.jpg]]

Once I get the trailer, I will be able to upload a MUCH better and clearer picture.
[[User:Pikachugal|Pikachugal]] 02:22, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

:Calm down, friend. Arceus in this movie is too obvius. But IT IS UNCONFIRMED. We just have to wait for an official source --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</sc> 02:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I just saw the new trailer on the japanese website and i am absolutely entranced by the mysterious golden blur that appears for only like half a second in the middle of the video. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/Morgil/MysteriousGoldenBlur1.jpg] [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/Morgil/MysteriousGoldenBlur2.jpg] [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/Morgil/MysteriousGoldenBlur3.jpg] [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 20:56, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

==Naming==
You know, since we don't go moving around every episode to its English title... why don't we move all of the movies to Pikachu Project (year)? Anyone think it'd be a good idea? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

:I dunno, in my opinion it's a bad idea
:does that mean we change all the Pokémon to their national dex number too?----[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 22:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

== Think about it...Makes sense! ==

"''The producers went to Greece in August, 2008; this confirms the basis for the movie's setting.''"
And looking at the above posts about Arceus. Now, I know a little about Myths and things, and remember how many '''gods''' they had in Greece, back in days far gone? Anyone else think that setting a movie in a place were they were once many ''Mythological Gods'' would be a good place for the so called "''God Pokémon''"? C: Just a theory. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]]| サソデイ 09:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

:Still doesn't make it official. Even if the odds point to Arceus being in the movie, we're waiting until Arceus is actually confirmed to appear in the movie to add that information. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
::Ah, I said it was 'just a theory' D: I never said it was official! [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]]| サソデイ 16:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Then why does this page (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_movie) still talk about Arceus? May I please remove that? [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 03:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Bulbapedia is not for theories. And yes, that thing about Arceus should be removed. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]] </sc> 03:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

== New Pokemon Speculation. ==

Ok, Guys, I just want to say that, those of you still maintaining the site, I'll keep in the part on the Gen V Pokémon reveal speculation until December the 15th, only then, can we determine whether it should be kept in (As most of the info for the movie will be unveiled on that date.), if there is no mention of any Pokémon belonging to the new generation (not even showing a sihlouette, for that matter) then we must remove that tidbit. Got it? good. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 19:49, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

:didn't seribii say it was going to be tommorow? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 20:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::Strange... the article says that it's December 15th, Oh well... [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 20:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:The default for any speculation is to take it out no matter how much of the fandom believes it, not to leave it an article just because we can't disprove it. You also can't disprove that Nintendo may reveal a Gen VI Pokémon on the same day, but since we have no proof we don't state it. I'm going to delete whatever it is you're talking about unless you can change my mind. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 20:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:: Can someone upload a picture of the unkown Pokémon siloette from DP104? <sc>I think thats the right Episode </sc> [[User:ShinyPikachu|ShinyPika <3 ALS]] 22:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
: Here are two pics of the electric type. One of them i added an arrow and circle to the part of the pokemon that was showing. I think these are good pics for the page. The original photo is from pokebeach.
[[Image:5th_generation_pokemon.jpg]] [[Image:5th_generation_pokemon_2.jpg]]

[[User:Pikachugal|Pikachugal]] 01:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

==is it just me?==

can anyone see the other pictures here? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 20:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:What images? If you're referring to the two links above, they were deleted for being copyright violations since they were stolen from [[Pokébeach]], one of them altered. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== Eclipse ==

Check it out, the three legendary titans are battling during a total solar eclipse. I'll leave it to others to point out signifigance but it is noteworthy. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:seeing how time and space are probably going to get ripped a new one in this movie that eclipse would be fitting [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 20:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
::Oh gawd if anyone makes a "Twilight" reference you will get aura sphered!!![[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 18:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::wait I just looked on wikipedia and apparantly there's a solar eclipse around the time of it's release [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]]
::::Four days after. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Japan's too far north to see anything other than a partial eclipse, and the one featured in the movie is a total eclipse. Gonna have to go with a coincidence on this one. {{wp|Solar eclipse of July 22, 2009}}.--- Aura-Knight 15:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Posters ==

I have the posters needed for this article. And can someone look at the website? They have the specific reading for the kanji now.

<gallery>
Image:Movie12 Poster.jpg|''Toward Overcoming the Space-Time Void'' movie poster
Image:Promo PokemonMovie12.JPG|''Pikachu the Movie'' poster
</gallery>

:Uhm, that Pichu clearly has two ears. One is just partially obscured by Pikachu's head. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::who said anything to the contrary? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 18:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I dunno, I think I saw something on the forums where people were saying it only had one ear or something...but I could have been half-asleep and misreading everything, it's happened before, haha. Anyway, another point that nobody seems to have pointed out yet, the Pichu is on the poster for the Pikachu short, not the movie itself, so it's useless to speculate about what role it might have in the movie. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::You make a good point there... there is no actual confirmation that the Pichu is the Pokémon that was hidden. {{tt|Gen V. is back on!|Perhaps}} [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 18:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, I didn't quite say that... There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that the Pichu was indeed the hidden Pokémon, although why they'd want to make a Pichu a "surprise" is beyond me... [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:48, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Look at its eyes. They're the same brown as {{tt|another Pokémon on that poster|speculation, speculation...}}. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Wow I can't belive that they might just give Pikachu a relative!!! Awsome I can't wait for more info! [[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 18:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== Nintendo Owned Everyone (Including Me) ==
[[User:LordArceus/"5th Gen"|Nintendo is amazing.]] {{unsigned|LordArceus}}
:Whoops. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 17:40, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::I must say, they're total jerks for that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== Percent chance of Galactic, importantly Cyrus, appearing? ==

100%? Less? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:I don't know if they are going to appear in the movie since something like this hasn't happened since the first movie. I could be wrong anyway. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 21:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::Considering the fact that Galactic has already appeared in the series and the writers seem to be giving them more screen time/development than most previous teams (relative to their importance in the game, I mean), I feel it's at least worth a second thought that Cyrus will probably appear later in the series instead of in this movie; either that, or the writers are finally going to abandon their unspoken policy of keeping movie canon (mostly) separate from series canon. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::They've got the Spear Key, Adamant and Lustrous Orbs. Movie 12 obviously takes place in an area inspired by Greece (Spear Pillar) and features Arceus. They know we were disappointed in the hour special they laid out for Groudon and Kyogre, so they want to remedy it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:08, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::::But usually stories like these culminate in the series not in a movie. Bar the first one, Movies and series are most of the time entirely disjoined. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 22:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::But like I said, the writers have been pretty ambitious this series--maybe they've decided to go ahead and tie a theatrical release directly to the show. I just think we need to weigh both possibilities equally and not assume that Cyrus will be in it just because the dragon trio will be (and possibly Arceus) until we get more information. Although, they could settle for a happy medium of sorts, something like having Cyrus appear in the movie but never in the series, and just have the Galactic admins make allusions to him in the series. I think it's pretty up-in-the-air right now; considering the fact that the previous two movies have involved members of the dragon trio without involving Cyrus, it's not like it would be impossible for them to pull off a movie featuring them and Arceus and not include Cyrus. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 22:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Did they appear in the first two? Survey says: Nope! The battle has nothing to do with Cyrus and his flunkies anyway [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::You know that Cyrus's debut wasn't till AFTER the movie premiered, right?- ''unsigned comment from [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:::::That's true...didn't consider that. But I still think it's possible for them to pull off a plot about the dragon trio and Arceus without him. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 22:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Meh, never stopped them before [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::That's highly likely to include Team Galactic and Cyrus, not to mention the fact that it can also boost tickets sales! -[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 09:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::The only thing I can see that may boost ticket sales is the inevitable Arceus giveaway. Besides, Pokémon was unphased by going up against Studio Ghibli this year so it doesn't really need help on the popularity front.
:::::::::Team Magma were in six and while I can see them having that role, a plotline started in the series should conclude in the series. We'll probably be around the start of the league tournament by July anyway. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 09:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Darkrai popped back up in the show so why not Arceus. Then Cyrus could try to control it.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

== Can we please ==

Can we please put Piplup on the cast sheet? You know it's going to be there. And please don't give me the "unconfirmed" lecture. It was in the first two movies, is featured on the poster for this and the previous Pikachu movie. I get why you might not want it for the regular episodes but, come on now... There is really no good reason it wouldn't appear. Do you really think after all the writers have done with Piplup so far that there really going to make it skip a movie appearance? Or are you going to get all mad at me if I add it on the cast sheet? Face it, Piplup IS the new Togepi. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 09:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. Found out officially that it's in the movie. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 10:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:It's better than Togepi, believe me. At least it does something. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

maybe theres something hint on there maybe but its looks like similat to zelda twiligth princess.......--[[User:Bakunawa|Bakunawa]] 10:16, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

You know, even IF I did want it to appear in the episodes, we still should wait for more information in regards to whether Piplup is actually appearing or not. For all we know, the poster could have just misled us. It's not like they haven't done that before [cough, cough, cough, cough, [[Palkia (anime)|Palkia]], [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|Sky Warrior]] poster cough, cough, cough, cough] [cough, cough, cough, cough, cough, cough, [[Brock's Marshtomp|Mudkip]] and [[Ash's Sceptile|Treecko]] in [[Jirachi: Wish Maker|Jirachi poster]] cough, cough, cough, cough, cough, cough]. I won't argue that it should be erased, since, as you said, it's officially confirmed. However, for episodes, we DEFINITELY need to wait until the the previews at least before we add in Piplup. I mean, should we add in Wobbuffet in every single pokemon episode that's upcoming just because it appears in a lot of the episodes? Because that would be the same thing. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 20:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:I was referring to the trailer, not the poster. Piplup was in the trailer. And Wobbuffet hasn't been in the anime for nearly 50 episodes straight without an absence. Piplup has. It's not just the number of episodes its appeared in. It's the consistency. Wobbuffet is in a lot of episodes but will be absent once every 10 or 15 episodes. Each week that passes, Piplup gets confirmed for yet another episode and some still wanna believe that its all of a sudden not going to appear next week. Besides, Wobbuffet belongs to an antagonist who are not the absolute central point of the anime like the heroes are. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::Trailer is misleading too! Not every scene in the trailer are included in the movie, for instance, the Pidgeot in movie 10 trailer. I agree with Weedle.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 05:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::Meowth belonged to the Antagonists, as well, and yet that never stopped people from adding in his name before. I'm not saying that Piplup shouldn't be in any episodes, I'm actually more neutral to the debate. All I'm saying that it still needs more information. And I still don't see too much of a difference between Piplup appearing and Wobbuffet appearing. I mean, at least with Pikachu, Meowth, and up until "A Togepi Mirage", Togepi, they weren't in pokeballs, so their appearances were definitely a given. Piplup, no matter how many appearances it's made in a way similar to Pikachu and Meowth, is still a pokeball pokemon that makes multiple appearances in episodes, not unlike Wobbuffet, in one sense. Unlike Piplup, Wobbuffet still doesn't get inserted into the cast pokemon of the episode [or rather, people aren't trying to insert it in.]. Basically, what I'm saying is that we shouldn't be too hasty to add in Piplup before we have undeniable proof that it's in. I mean, I don't add in Wobbuffet to the pokemon appearing in every upcoming episode, and you don't either, so what makes Piplup any different? [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Okay... appearently you haven't read anything I said to why Piplup should be treated different than Wobbuffet. <big><big>NEARLY 50 EPISODES STRAIGHT WITHOUT AN ABSCENCE.</big></big> That's why Piplup should be added in automatically. It be different if Piplup was absent every few episodes during this span but it wasn't. Wobbuffet has never appeared for 50 episodes without an absence. As for Meowth, he's an antagonist in himself. He really doesn't belong to anyone like Wobbuffet does. And he's actually appeared in every episode. Not like Wobbuffet. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:53, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Merchandise ==

Any way we can work this into the article, other than saying "Something something, featuring Monferno, Bronzong, Staraptor, and Heatran, prompting fan speculation that [[Ash]]'s {{AP|Chimchar}} and {{AP|Staravia}} will evolve and Brock/Dawn will capture a Bronzong something something Heatran's role." --- Aura-Knight 22:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

:......I would at least suspect the character of the movie to have a Bronzong.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 07:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pichu ==

On the page, it says "a Pichu with spiked ears" whereas everywhere else, it says "notched ear" I know it's a bit nit-picky but this does seem like the more official term.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 23:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:More official? Both terms are '''[[fanon]]'''! -[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 05:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:The former or the latter of which you said? --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 23:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
::Did. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 00:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

== Heartran ==

serebii.net said Heatran involve this thing 12 movie...........--[[User:Bakunawa|Bakunawa]] 06:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:......Here you're in the best Pokémon Encyclopedia '''ever'''! Serebii is a site full of speculation! -[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 07:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not to sure but I guess that Serebii's information doesn't qualify as sure evidence here.--'''[[User:Diby|Di]][[User talk:Diby|b]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|y]]''' 06:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I have searched for the corocoro issue of jan 19 but the content of that issue is about megaman and the revivl of one of its series, so was the info date wrong?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 15:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

== World Hobbo Fair ==
shouldn't the legendary pokemon have been revealed on the 19th? if it was, why doesn't Bulbanews have the info.? [[User:Vik0z0z|Vik0z0z]] 21:22, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
:There wasn't anything revealed at the fair. It would have been up if it was. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 21:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I think I have an explanation for that, the world hobby fair is moving around in different cities like tokyo and nagua and others, so the news will be released at the world hobby fair but with an unknown date and city.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk:M12/Archive 1

2009-01-19T15:20:41Z

Nobody777:

Cacturne ex (EX Emerald 91)

2009-01-14T14:08:17Z

Nobody777:

{{PokémoncardInfobox |
title=Cacturne ex |
jname=ノクタス ex |
jtrans=Noctus ex |
image 91-cacturne-ex.jpg
caption=Illus. [[Hikaru Koike]] |
name=[[Cacturne (TCG)#Cacturne ex|Cacturne ex]] |
stage=[[Evolution card|Stage 1 Pokémon]] (Evolves from [[Cacnea (TCG)#Cacnea|Cacnea]]) |
type={{e|Grass}} |
hp=110 |
weakness={{e|Fire}} |
resistance=None |
retreatcost={{e}} |
species=Cacturne |
}}
|-
!Set
| {{TCG|EX Emerald}}
|-
!Rarity
| [[Image:Rarity Rare.png|Rare Holographic ex]]ex
|-
!English Card No.
| 91/106
|}

'''Cacturne ex''' (Japanese: '''ノクタス ex''' ''Noctus ex'') is a {{ct|Grass}} Stage 1 Pokémon card. It is part of the {{TCG|EX Emerald}} set.

==Card text==
When Pokémon-ex has been Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.
===Poké-BODY===
{{Cardpower |
type=Poké-BODY |
name=Cursed Glare |
jname= |
jtrans= |
effect=As long as {{tt|Cacturne ex|this Pokémon}} is your Active Pokémon, your opponent can't attach any Special Energy cards (except for {{e|Darkness}} and {{e|Metal}} Energy cards) from his or her hand to his or her Active Pokémon. |
}}
===Attacks===
{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Grass}} |
name=Psybeam |
jname= |
jtrans= |
damage=20 |
effect=The Defending Pokémon is now {{TCG|Confused}}. |
}}
{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Grass}}{{e|Colorless}}{{e|Colorless}} |
name=Spike Rend |
jname= |
jtrans= |
damage=50+ |
effect=If the Defending Pokémon already has damage counters on it, this attack does 50 damage plus 20 more damage. |
}}

==Trivia==
===Origin===
{{m|Psybeam}} is a [[move]] in the [[Pokémon games]], though {{p|Cacturne}} cannot learn it.

{{Project TCGDex notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Cacturne (TCG)]]
[[Category:EX Emerald cards]]
[[Category:Grass-type Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Evolution cards]]
[[Category:Stage 1 Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Illus. by Hikaru Koike]]
[[Category:Pokémon-ex cards]]
[[Category:Holographic cards]]

Cacturne ex (EX Emerald 91)

2009-01-14T14:05:19Z

Nobody777:

{{PokémoncardInfobox |
title=Cacturne ex |
jname=ノクタス ex |
jtrans=Noctus ex |
image| 91-cacturne-ex.jpg
caption=Illus. [[Hikaru Koike]] |
name=[[Cacturne (TCG)#Cacturne ex|Cacturne ex]] |
stage=[[Evolution card|Stage 1 Pokémon]] (Evolves from [[Cacnea (TCG)#Cacnea|Cacnea]]) |
type={{e|Grass}} |
hp=110 |
weakness={{e|Fire}} |
resistance=None |
retreatcost={{e}} |
species=Cacturne |
}}
|-
!Set
| {{TCG|EX Emerald}}
|-
!Rarity
| [[Image:Rarity Rare.png|Rare Holographic ex]]ex
|-
!English Card No.
| 91/106
|}

'''Cacturne ex''' (Japanese: '''ノクタス ex''' ''Noctus ex'') is a {{ct|Grass}} Stage 1 Pokémon card. It is part of the {{TCG|EX Emerald}} set.

==Card text==
When Pokémon-ex has been Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.
===Poké-BODY===
{{Cardpower |
type=Poké-BODY |
name=Cursed Glare |
jname= |
jtrans= |
effect=As long as {{tt|Cacturne ex|this Pokémon}} is your Active Pokémon, your opponent can't attach any Special Energy cards (except for {{e|Darkness}} and {{e|Metal}} Energy cards) from his or her hand to his or her Active Pokémon. |
}}
===Attacks===
{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Grass}} |
name=Psybeam |
jname= |
jtrans= |
damage=20 |
effect=The Defending Pokémon is now {{TCG|Confused}}. |
}}
{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Grass}}{{e|Colorless}}{{e|Colorless}} |
name=Spike Rend |
jname= |
jtrans= |
damage=50+ |
effect=If the Defending Pokémon already has damage counters on it, this attack does 50 damage plus 20 more damage. |
}}

==Trivia==
===Origin===
{{m|Psybeam}} is a [[move]] in the [[Pokémon games]], though {{p|Cacturne}} cannot learn it.

{{Project TCGDex notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Cacturne (TCG)]]
[[Category:EX Emerald cards]]
[[Category:Grass-type Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Evolution cards]]
[[Category:Stage 1 Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Illus. by Hikaru Koike]]
[[Category:Pokémon-ex cards]]
[[Category:Holographic cards]]

Cacturne ex (EX Emerald 91)

2009-01-14T14:01:25Z

Nobody777:

{{PokémoncardInfobox |
title=Cacturne ex |
jname=ノクタス ex |
jtrans=Noctus ex |
image= 91-cacturne-ex.jpg
caption=Illus. [[Hikaru Koike]] |
name=[[Cacturne (TCG)#Cacturne ex|Cacturne ex]] |
stage=[[Evolution card|Stage 1 Pokémon]] (Evolves from [[Cacnea (TCG)#Cacnea|Cacnea]]) |
type={{e|Grass}} |
hp=110 |
weakness={{e|Fire}} |
resistance=None |
retreatcost={{e}} |
species=Cacturne |
}}
|-
!Set
| {{TCG|EX Emerald}}
|-
!Rarity
| [[Image:Rarity Rare.png|Rare Holographic ex]]ex
|-
!English Card No.
| 91/106
|}

'''Cacturne ex''' (Japanese: '''ノクタス ex''' ''Noctus ex'') is a {{ct|Grass}} Stage 1 Pokémon card. It is part of the {{TCG|EX Emerald}} set.

==Card text==
When Pokémon-ex has been Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.
===Poké-BODY===
{{Cardpower |
type=Poké-BODY |
name=Cursed Glare |
jname= |
jtrans= |
effect=As long as {{tt|Cacturne ex|this Pokémon}} is your Active Pokémon, your opponent can't attach any Special Energy cards (except for {{e|Darkness}} and {{e|Metal}} Energy cards) from his or her hand to his or her Active Pokémon. |
}}
===Attacks===
{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Grass}} |
name=Psybeam |
jname= |
jtrans= |
damage=20 |
effect=The Defending Pokémon is now {{TCG|Confused}}. |
}}
{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Grass}}{{e|Colorless}}{{e|Colorless}} |
name=Spike Rend |
jname= |
jtrans= |
damage=50+ |
effect=If the Defending Pokémon already has damage counters on it, this attack does 50 damage plus 20 more damage. |
}}

==Trivia==
===Origin===
{{m|Psybeam}} is a [[move]] in the [[Pokémon games]], though {{p|Cacturne}} cannot learn it.

{{Project TCGDex notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Cacturne (TCG)]]
[[Category:EX Emerald cards]]
[[Category:Grass-type Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Evolution cards]]
[[Category:Stage 1 Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Illus. by Hikaru Koike]]
[[Category:Pokémon-ex cards]]
[[Category:Holographic cards]]

Cacturne ex (EX Emerald 91)

2009-01-14T14:00:55Z

Nobody777:

{{PokémoncardInfobox |
title=Cacturne ex |
jname=ノクタス ex |
jtrans=Noctus ex |
image= [[{{91-cacturne-ex.jpg}}]]
caption=Illus. [[Hikaru Koike]] |
name=[[Cacturne (TCG)#Cacturne ex|Cacturne ex]] |
stage=[[Evolution card|Stage 1 Pokémon]] (Evolves from [[Cacnea (TCG)#Cacnea|Cacnea]]) |
type={{e|Grass}} |
hp=110 |
weakness={{e|Fire}} |
resistance=None |
retreatcost={{e}} |
species=Cacturne |
}}
|-
!Set
| {{TCG|EX Emerald}}
|-
!Rarity
| [[Image:Rarity Rare.png|Rare Holographic ex]]ex
|-
!English Card No.
| 91/106
|}

'''Cacturne ex''' (Japanese: '''ノクタス ex''' ''Noctus ex'') is a {{ct|Grass}} Stage 1 Pokémon card. It is part of the {{TCG|EX Emerald}} set.

==Card text==
When Pokémon-ex has been Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.
===Poké-BODY===
{{Cardpower |
type=Poké-BODY |
name=Cursed Glare |
jname= |
jtrans= |
effect=As long as {{tt|Cacturne ex|this Pokémon}} is your Active Pokémon, your opponent can't attach any Special Energy cards (except for {{e|Darkness}} and {{e|Metal}} Energy cards) from his or her hand to his or her Active Pokémon. |
}}
===Attacks===
{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Grass}} |
name=Psybeam |
jname= |
jtrans= |
damage=20 |
effect=The Defending Pokémon is now {{TCG|Confused}}. |
}}
{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Grass}}{{e|Colorless}}{{e|Colorless}} |
name=Spike Rend |
jname= |
jtrans= |
damage=50+ |
effect=If the Defending Pokémon already has damage counters on it, this attack does 50 damage plus 20 more damage. |
}}

==Trivia==
===Origin===
{{m|Psybeam}} is a [[move]] in the [[Pokémon games]], though {{p|Cacturne}} cannot learn it.

{{Project TCGDex notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Cacturne (TCG)]]
[[Category:EX Emerald cards]]
[[Category:Grass-type Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Evolution cards]]
[[Category:Stage 1 Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Illus. by Hikaru Koike]]
[[Category:Pokémon-ex cards]]
[[Category:Holographic cards]]

Cacturne ex (EX Emerald 91)

2009-01-14T14:00:27Z

Nobody777:

{{PokémoncardInfobox |
title=Cacturne ex |
jname=ノクタス ex |
jtrans=Noctus ex |
image= {{91-cacturne-ex.jpg}}
caption=Illus. [[Hikaru Koike]] |
name=[[Cacturne (TCG)#Cacturne ex|Cacturne ex]] |
stage=[[Evolution card|Stage 1 Pokémon]] (Evolves from [[Cacnea (TCG)#Cacnea|Cacnea]]) |
type={{e|Grass}} |
hp=110 |
weakness={{e|Fire}} |
resistance=None |
retreatcost={{e}} |
species=Cacturne |
}}
|-
!Set
| {{TCG|EX Emerald}}
|-
!Rarity
| [[Image:Rarity Rare.png|Rare Holographic ex]]ex
|-
!English Card No.
| 91/106
|}

'''Cacturne ex''' (Japanese: '''ノクタス ex''' ''Noctus ex'') is a {{ct|Grass}} Stage 1 Pokémon card. It is part of the {{TCG|EX Emerald}} set.

==Card text==
When Pokémon-ex has been Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.
===Poké-BODY===
{{Cardpower |
type=Poké-BODY |
name=Cursed Glare |
jname= |
jtrans= |
effect=As long as {{tt|Cacturne ex|this Pokémon}} is your Active Pokémon, your opponent can't attach any Special Energy cards (except for {{e|Darkness}} and {{e|Metal}} Energy cards) from his or her hand to his or her Active Pokémon. |
}}
===Attacks===
{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Grass}} |
name=Psybeam |
jname= |
jtrans= |
damage=20 |
effect=The Defending Pokémon is now {{TCG|Confused}}. |
}}
{{Cardattack |
cost={{e|Grass}}{{e|Colorless}}{{e|Colorless}} |
name=Spike Rend |
jname= |
jtrans= |
damage=50+ |
effect=If the Defending Pokémon already has damage counters on it, this attack does 50 damage plus 20 more damage. |
}}

==Trivia==
===Origin===
{{m|Psybeam}} is a [[move]] in the [[Pokémon games]], though {{p|Cacturne}} cannot learn it.

{{Project TCGDex notice}}

[[Category:Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Cacturne (TCG)]]
[[Category:EX Emerald cards]]
[[Category:Grass-type Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Evolution cards]]
[[Category:Stage 1 Pokémon cards]]
[[Category:Illus. by Hikaru Koike]]
[[Category:Pokémon-ex cards]]
[[Category:Holographic cards]]

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 2

2009-01-13T13:29:55Z

Nobody777: /* origin */ new section

<big><big><big>'''HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT. THE PAGE HAS CODING ON IT SO THAT THE TYPE WILL CHANGE RANDOMLY (or not so much, really just according to the time). DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A {{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=???|1=Normal|2=Fighting|3=Flying|4=Poison|5=Ground|6=Rock|7=Bug|8=Ghost|9=Steel|10=Fire|11=Water|12=Grass|13=Electric|14=Psychic|15=Ice|16=Dragon|17=Dark}}}}- TYPE! It just IS!'''</big></big></big> (Also keep in mind that it doesn't matter which type it is; you guys are smart, you can tell what moves are STAB for which plate... I hope...)
----
==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from October 13, 2006 – December 13, 2008)

== Hmmm.... ==

Is the color and box from the Tutoring Moveset (I think) supposed to be expanding past the sprite box? I see the Rock type stuff, if that matters. (No, I don't think it is my browser, other Pokémon's pages are still fine) [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:I have fixed it stop the problem was that he closed the time, not the tutor box stop[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Out of intrest==

Has anyone tried to see if Arceus' ??? type forme is in PBR? [[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:And possibly in Platinum, as well? In a method other than cheating? --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 20:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Instead of fanart
...shouldn't we use something OFFICIAL
even if its just a PBR screenshot, or a sprite
--[[User:LilRed|LilRed]] 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:The fanart fulfills our needs best. Besides, the official artwork is only a couple of months away now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::If they'll release an official artwork of Arceus, does it mean that Arceus is officially released also?[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, this is what it would seem like. It's predicted to be released at a similar time to the next movie. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== Reveal ==

Looking at Darkrai and Shaymin's, it seems that the reveal will be just around February 14, 2009. Isn't that convenient. So I'd like to notify you all... don't bother with it until then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it is expected to be leaked today, and officially revealed on January 19.--[[User:Mence Master|Mence Master]] 13:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

:Listen to the Editor-in-Chief. Don't bother until the reveal. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 13:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
== ???-type Explanation Doesn't Make Sense ==

One of our members brought up a good point about the explanation (in this article) about why Nintendo put the ??? Arceus in the game. We think that it was put in because Nintendo's code for Multitype required a sprite to be filled for every single type. This is our best guess, and I certainly think it's more plausible than "preventing game crashes for hackers." Hackers can crash the game quite easily otherwise - why would they prevent it in one way when we can do it in a thousand other ways? Remember, Nintendo doesn't care for or even acknowledge hackers. -[[User:Coolbho3000|Coolbho3000]] 00:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprite. ==

It doesn't change for me. It's just the regular Arceus. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:you maam are using Internet Explorer. that is an animated .png, which your browser does not support. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::Don't you think that's a little unfair for people who prefer to user IE? What's wrong with just using a gif file? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::lesser quality. take it up with TTE. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::You should use Firefox. D: -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I have used it and I hated it. It made my computer move incredibly slow. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::How many addons did you give it? That's usually what kills it. I mean, mine's running using 118,784K, next most is Windows Explorer with not even 10% of that much. It's a given with the 13 extensions I have for it... Anyway, Opera's most recent release supports anipngs too, or so I've heard. Given, I plan to make ''that'' specific spritecycle a gif again, since the whole point of that is to animate. Other anipngs you don't lose much with them being not animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Google chrome doesn't accept anipngs, and firefox takes an age to start up for me. I also hate IE. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|f80|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|f80|Ori}}{{Colored link|User:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|08f|gami}}''' 11:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: It works on opera just fine, Who uses IE nowadays anyway? And Mozilla's slow.... too slow.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type arceus existance ==

If anyone can hack platinum and try changing arceus' type to ???-type and it appears then its existance is official, anybody care and try?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:We have the sprite. That's all the proof you need. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 14:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry, forgot about that. --[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== origin ==

there is a legend in arab myths that says that god created a horse from the north wind and it was the frist being on earth, arceus is a horse and the first Pokémon in existance, should we add this to the origin part in the article?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Eterna City

2009-01-12T14:22:50Z

Nobody777:

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 2

2009-01-11T14:03:28Z

Nobody777:

Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky

2009-01-11T13:30:18Z

Nobody777:

{{upcoming notice}}
'''Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 3''' is a future game in development by [[Chunsoft]], and the third entry into the [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] series. The game was announced in [[CoroCoro]], which will release the first details in January.
serebii.net has recently uncovered new details about this game from CoroCoro including the available starters; [[Phanpy]], [[Riolu]], [[Eevee]], [[Vulpix]] and [[Shinx]]. Serebii.net also confirmed the title '''Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky''', although it had not been confirmed if there will be twin titles like previous installments.


{{stub}}
{{Side series}}
{{Project Games notice}}
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|*]]

Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky

2009-01-11T13:29:16Z

Nobody777:

{{upcoming notice}}
'''Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 3''' is a future game in development by [[Chunsoft]], and the third entry into the [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]] series. The game was announced in [[CoroCoro]], which will release the first details in January.
serebii.net has recently uncovered new details about this game from CoroCoro including the available starters; [[Phanpy]], [[Riolu]], [[Eevee]], [[Vulpix]] and [[Shinx]]. Serebii.net also confirmed the title ''' '''Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky''', although it had not been confirmed if there will be twin titles like previous installments.


{{stub}}
{{Side series}}
{{Project Games notice}}
[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|*]]

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 2

2009-01-11T12:22:54Z

Nobody777: /* ???-type arceus existance */ new section

<big><big><big>'''HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT. THE PAGE HAS CODING ON IT SO THAT THE TYPE WILL CHANGE RANDOMLY (or not so much, really just according to the time). DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A {{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=???|1=Normal|2=Fighting|3=Flying|4=Poison|5=Ground|6=Rock|7=Bug|8=Ghost|9=Steel|10=Fire|11=Water|12=Grass|13=Electric|14=Psychic|15=Ice|16=Dragon|17=Dark}}}}- TYPE! It just IS!'''</big></big></big> (Also keep in mind that it doesn't matter which type it is; you guys are smart, you can tell what moves are STAB for which plate... I hope...)
----
==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from October 13, 2006 – December 13, 2008)

== Hmmm.... ==

Is the color and box from the Tutoring Moveset (I think) supposed to be expanding past the sprite box? I see the Rock type stuff, if that matters. (No, I don't think it is my browser, other Pokémon's pages are still fine) [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 14:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:I have fixed it stop the problem was that he closed the time, not the tutor box stop[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==Out of intrest==

Has anyone tried to see if Arceus' ??? type forme is in PBR? [[User:Zsaberslash|Zsaberslash]] 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:And possibly in Platinum, as well? In a method other than cheating? --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 20:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Instead of fanart
...shouldn't we use something OFFICIAL
even if its just a PBR screenshot, or a sprite
--[[User:LilRed|LilRed]] 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:The fanart fulfills our needs best. Besides, the official artwork is only a couple of months away now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::If they'll release an official artwork of Arceus, does it mean that Arceus is officially released also?[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 06:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, this is what it would seem like. It's predicted to be released at a similar time to the next movie. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== Reveal ==

Looking at Darkrai and Shaymin's, it seems that the reveal will be just around February 14, 2009. Isn't that convenient. So I'd like to notify you all... don't bother with it until then. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type Explanation Doesn't Make Sense ==

One of our members brought up a good point about the explanation (in this article) about why Nintendo put the ??? Arceus in the game. We think that it was put in because Nintendo's code for Multitype required a sprite to be filled for every single type. This is our best guess, and I certainly think it's more plausible than "preventing game crashes for hackers." Hackers can crash the game quite easily otherwise - why would they prevent it in one way when we can do it in a thousand other ways? Remember, Nintendo doesn't care for or even acknowledge hackers. -[[User:Coolbho3000|Coolbho3000]] 00:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprite. ==

It doesn't change for me. It's just the regular Arceus. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 00:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:you maam are using Internet Explorer. that is an animated .png, which your browser does not support. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 00:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::Don't you think that's a little unfair for people who prefer to user IE? What's wrong with just using a gif file? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::lesser quality. take it up with TTE. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 01:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::You should use Firefox. D: -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I have used it and I hated it. It made my computer move incredibly slow. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 01:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::How many addons did you give it? That's usually what kills it. I mean, mine's running using 118,784K, next most is Windows Explorer with not even 10% of that much. It's a given with the 13 extensions I have for it... Anyway, Opera's most recent release supports anipngs too, or so I've heard. Given, I plan to make ''that'' specific spritecycle a gif again, since the whole point of that is to animate. Other anipngs you don't lose much with them being not animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Google chrome doesn't accept anipngs, and firefox takes an age to start up for me. I also hate IE. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|f80|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|f80|Ori}}{{Colored link|User:Origamiguy/Mudkipz|08f|gami}}''' 11:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::: It works on opera just fine, Who uses IE nowadays anyway? And Mozilla's slow.... too slow.--[[User:Force Fire|FF]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|edits]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 11:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== ???-type arceus existance ==

If anyone can hack platinum and try changing arceus' type to ???-type and it appears then its existance is official, anybody care and try?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

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Legendary Pokémon

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:''For the "Legendary Pokémon" species, see {{p|Arcanine}}.''
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[[Image:Storybook-entei.jpg|thumb|right|320px|An artist's interpretation of {{p|Entei}}, a legendary Pokémon]]
'''Legendary Pokémon''' are a group of extremely rare and powerful [[Pokémon]].

In the Japanese version, there are three distinct terms used to refer to those Pokémon which are collectively called ''legendary'' in English. One, '''伝説のポケモン''' (''densetsu no Pokémon'', lit. ''Pokémon of legend''), refers to those which are featured prominently in legends, such as {{p|Groudon}} and {{p|Kyogre}}. The second, '''幻のポケモン''' (''maboroshi no Pokémon'', lit. ''Pokémon of illusions'', translated as ''mirage Pokémon'' in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}), refers to those so rarely seen that some question their very existence, such as {{p|Mew}} and {{p|Lugia}}; an alternative definition restricts it only to Pokémon not available in normal gameplay. The third is '''神話のポケモン''' (''shinwa no Pokémon'', lit. ''Pokémon of myth''), which is a term applied to some of the legendary Pokémon of [[Sinnoh]].

=Characteristics of Legendary Pokémon=
In the [[games]], the {{player}} typically has only one chance to capture a legendary Pokémon, but the same species have appeared in more than one game. Their [[gender]]s are usually unknown, with the exception of {{p|Latios}}, {{p|Latias}}, {{p|Heatran}} and {{p|Cresselia}}. With the exception of {{p|Phione}} and {{p|Manaphy}}, they cannot be [[Pokémon breeding|bred]] by trainers, and, for similar reasons, they are often banned from competitions. They are [[stats|statistically]] some of the most powerful Pokémon in the game. They never [[evolve]], and many are one-third of a [[legendary trio]].

In the {{pkmn|anime}}, legendary Pokémon are generally held in higher regard than they are in the games, nearing a god-like reverence. They appear only to special {{pkmn|Trainer}}s (usually the case of [[Ash Ketchum]]). Very few people have actually seen legendary Pokémon. Because of their rarity, they are sought after by trainers and collectors, especially [[Team Rocket]].

It has been predicted (and demonstrated) that the capture of certain legendary Pokémon can lead to great catastrophe, as they often hold a pivotal role in nature. But some speculate that if a trainer were to "play by the rules," the results would not be as chaotic. [[Noland]], for example, befriended and fought official {{pkmn|battle}}s with an {{p|Articuno}} and its power never exceeded him. It should be noted, however, that Noland is a very skilled trainer.

As seen with {{p|Lugia}}, some can breed; as seen with {{p|Celebi}}, they are neither immortal nor invincible; and they are often not unique.

=List of legendary Pokémon=
There are 35 Pokémon considered to be legendary Pokémon, and there are several more with certain characteristics of legendary Pokémon.
==Generation I==
The legendary Pokémon of [[Generation I]] can be broken into two groups: the Legendary Birds and the Mew-based legendary Pokémon.
===Legendary Birds===
[[Image:Legend-birds-slab.jpg|thumb|right|270px|An ancient slab of the Legendary Birds and an Arcanine seen in ''[[EP002|Pokémon Emergency!]]''. Ash mistakenly identified [[Articuno (Pokémon)|the blue one]] as {{p|Ho-Oh}}.]]
There are three [[Legendary Birds]], also referred to as winged mirages. The Legendary Birds are each based off a mythical bird.

As shown in the [[The Power of One|second movie]], should the three birds be disturbed and turned against each other, they will fight over territory, and, left unabated, their battles will ultimately cause the end of the world. They represent nature's balance and are tied to {{p|Lugia}}. They are strongly linked to the elements {{t|fire}}, {{t|ice}}, and {{t2|electric|lightning}}--forces that when combined are believed to yield both the origin of life and the cause of apocalyptic weather disasters. Some fans believe that this scenario applies only to the three birds found near [[Shamouti Island]] in the [[Orange Archipelago]], and that this characteristic does not extend to their species.

In [[Pokémon Snap]], it was shown that the Legendary Birds could breed, as the player could hatch them from eggs around [[Pokémon Island]] by introducing the eggs to their corresponding element.
* '''{{MS|144}}{{p|Articuno}}''' is the Legendary Bird of {{t|Ice}}. It can be found on [[Seafoam Island]] in the Generation I games and their [[Generation III]] [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|remakes]]. In addition to the one in the Orange Islands, a second one was seen in the [[Johto]] region in the episode ''[[EP189|Freeze Frame]]''. A third one was seen in the [[Kanto]] region, with [[Factory Head Noland|Noland]] in ''[[AG135|Numero Uno Articuno]]'' and ''[[AG136|The Symbol Life]]''.
* '''{{MS|145}}{{p|Zapdos}}''' is the Legendary Bird of [[Electric (type)|Thunder]]. It can be found at the [[Power Plant]] in the Generation I games and their Generation III remakes. In addition to the one in the Orange Islands, a second one was seen in the Johto region in the episode ''[[EP242|As Clear As Crystal]]''.
* '''{{MS|146}}{{p|Moltres}}''' is the Legendary Bird of {{t|Fire}}. It can be found on [[Victory Road (Kanto)|Victory Road]] in the Generation I games, and in the [[Sevii Islands]] in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen. The spirit of Moltres represents the [[Indigo League]] and its flame came alive in the episode ''[[EP074|All Fired Up]]''. It also appeared to [[Ritchie]] at [[Sevii Islands]] in the anime.

===Mew and Mewtwo===
[[Image:Mewtwo_mew.jpg|thumb|left|Mewtwo and Mew]]
* '''{{MS|151}}{{p|Mew}}''' is the {{t|Psychic}} feline Pokémon of ancient legend. It is not obtainable by normal means in any game; however, a [[Mew glitch|glitch]] allows the player to battle and capture Mew in [[Generation I]]. In {{v|Emerald}}, a Nintendo event gave out the Old Sea Map that would take the player to [[Faraway Island]], where Mew could be caught. It is said to be able to live forever. The DNA of all Pokémon can be traced back to Mew, and thus it represents the origin of life. The bubbly Mew was first seen in the [[Mewtwo Strikes Back|first movie]], and later in the special ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]''. Another is seen in the [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew|eighth movie]].
* '''{{MS|150}}{{p|Mewtwo}}''' is a genetically altered clone of Mew. It can be found in the [[Cerulean Cave]] in the Generation I games and their remakes. It was statistically the most powerful Pokémon until Generation II. It is also one of the most intelligent, and can communicate freely with humans using telepathy. It is the main character of the first movie, and the ''[[Mewtwo Returns]]'' and ''[[The Birth of Mewtwo]]'' specials. After the events of Mewtwo Returns, it is portrayed as taking the cover of night and living amongst humans in big cities.

==Generation II==
[[Generation II]] featured the advent of three new groups of legendary Pokémon, consisting of a total of six.
===Legendary Beasts===
[[Image:Legendary-beasts.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Raikou, Entei, and Suicune.]]The [[Legendary Beasts]] have variously been referred to as Legendary Dogs or Cats, but Beasts is the accepted neutral title. These speedy, powerful creatures were created by Ho-Oh after the burning of [[Brass Tower]]. Because they are unable to restrain their extreme power, they race headlong around the land. They can be found racing around the Johto region in the Generation II games. One can also be found roaming Kanto, after the player gets the National Pokédex, in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, depending on the [[Starter Pokémon]] the user chooses at the beginning of the game. In [[Pokémon Colosseum]], it is possible to snag all three legendary beasts.
* '''{{MS|243}}{{p|Raikou}}''' is the embodiment of thunder. It appears in Kanto in FireRed and LeafGreen if the player started off with {{P|Squirtle}}. Raikou was twice seen in the Johto region. It was briefly seen in the episode ''[[EP180|Houndoom's Special Delivery]]'', and also in the ''[[The Legend of Thunder!]]'' special.
* '''{{MS|244}}{{p|Entei}}''' is the embodiment of volcanoes. According to legend, one is born every time a new volcano appears. It appears in Kanto in FireRed and LeafGreen if the player started off with {{P|Bulbasaur}}. An Entei was seen in the Johto region, in the episode ''[[EP259|Entei at Your Own Risk]]''. A telepathic Entei was featured in the [[Spell of the Unown|third movie]], but it was only a manifestation of [[Molly Hale]]'s imagination, created by the {{p|Unown}}. An Entei is formed from a statue in Fiore when [[Solana]] and [[Lunick]] reach the Jungle Relic. It comes to life when they complete [[Charizard (Pokémon)|the last challenge]] by mistake.
* '''{{MS|245}}{{p|Suicune}}''' is the embodiment of the North Wind. It is closely tied with Ho-Oh and the Unown. It is the Pokémon sought by [[Eusine]] in {{game|Crystal}}, and is released upon the completion of the [[Burned Tower]] storyline in the Generation II games. It appears in Kanto in FireRed and LeafGreen if the player started off with {{P|Charmander}}. Ash encountered one at the beginning of the [[Johto]] story arc, in ''[[EP117|Don't Touch That 'Dile]]'', again in ''[[EP227|For Ho-Oh the Bells Toll]]'', and made a [[Suicune (Pokémon 4Ever)|vital appearance]] in the [[Pokémon 4Ever|fourth movie]]. Ash also encountered a Suicune in [[Sinnoh]], near the [[Valley Windworks]] in ''[[DP028|Drifloon On the Wind!'']].

===Lugia and Ho-Oh===
[[Image:Lugia_and_ho-oh.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Lugia and Ho-Oh.]]These two additional birds of legend are thought to be closely related, although they are also polar opposites. Ho-Oh is based on the Chinese phoenix, or [[wp:Fènghuáng|Fènghuáng]] and Lugia on the Japanese sea-kami [[wp:Ryūjin|Ryūjin]].
* '''{{MS|250}}{{p|Ho-Oh}}''' is the Guardian of the Skies. This Pokémon is represented by the sun, the sky, rainbows, the color gold, and awakening. It is said to glow in seven colors and see into the future. It resides at the top of the Tin Tower in the Generation II games. In Pokémon FireRed, LeafGreen, and {{v2|Emerald}}, Ho-Oh is found atop [[Navel Rock]]. Ho-Oh is often seen at the beginning of a new journey, which happened to Ash three times. The spirit of Ho-Oh represents the [[Johto League]]. Ho-Oh is the guardian of the Legendary Beasts, and it is especially close to Suicune.
* '''{{MS|249}}{{p|Lugia}}''' is the Guardian of the Sea. It is represented by the moon, the sea, storms, the color silver, and slumber. Lugia can be found in [[Whirl Islands]] in the Generation II games. In Pokémon FireRed, LeafGreen, and Emerald, Lugia is found beneath Navel Rock. A [[Shadow Lugia]] resides in the [[Orre]] region in [[Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness]]. Lugia protects the balance of nature, and is the only creature that can pacify the battling Legendary Birds. One was seen in the second movie. Two more, a parent and a child, were seen near [[Silver Rock Isle]] at the beginning of the [[Master Quest|Whirl Cup]] arc of the anime. Lugia is the guardian of the Legendary Birds. In the [[The Power of One|second movie]], [[Lawrence III]] mistook Lugia for the Beast of the Sea, which is actually a chaotic underwater current caused when the Legendary Birds are disturbed.{{Clear-both}}

===Celebi===
[[Image:Celebi_Shrine.png|thumb|right|100px|Celebi on its shrine in [[Ilex Forest]].]]
Although it has no relation to Mew, Celebi was dubbed the "New Mew" because of its similar size, shape, stats, and [[National Pokédex]] number. Because of this, it is commonly listed with Mew (and later {{p|Jirachi}}, {{p|Phione}}, and {{p|Manaphy}}) in lists of legendary Pokémon.
* '''{{MS|251}}{{p|Celebi}}''' is a forest guardian Pokémon that can travel through time. It is the star of the fourth movie and was obtainable in the Japanese version of Pokémon Crystal via the now-discontinued [[Pokémon Mobile System]] service. On the Japanese Bonus Disk for [[Pokémon Colosseum]], Celebi was a direct download to [[Generation III]] cartridges. During ''Pokémon 10th Anniversary: [[Journey Across America]]'', Celebi was downloadable on US Generation III cartridges. Celebi, when obtainable, is found in [[Ilex Forest]] by bringing the [[GS Ball]] to the [[Ilex Forest Shrine|Forest Shrine]].{{Clear-both}}
==Generation III==
The [[Generation III]] games feature a total of 10 new Legendaries.
===Legendary Golems===
[[Image:3_regis.jpg|thumb|left|Booster art of Regice, Registeel, and Regirock from {{TCG|EX Hidden Legends}}.]] The legendary {{wp|Golem}}-like Regis were featured in the [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew|eighth movie]] as the protectors of the Tree of Beginning, but the true story of their history remains a mystery. They have a strong connection to the fourth Regi and their keeper, '''{{p|Regigigas}}'''.
* '''{{MS|377}}{{p|Regirock}}''' is found in the [[Desert Ruins]] in the [[Generation III]] games when the required puzzle is solved.
* '''{{MS|378}}{{p|Regice}}''' is found in the [[Island Cave]] in the Generation III games after solving a puzzle.
* '''{{MS|379}}{{p|Registeel}}''' is found in the [[Ancient Tomb]] in the Generation III games, and, like the other two Regis, a puzzle must be solved before it can be reached.
{{Clear-both}}

===Eon Pokémon===
[[Image:LatiosLatiasStatues.jpg|thumb|right|Statues of Latios and Latias in [[Alto Mare]]]]Latios and Latias (sometimes referred to, collectively, as [[Lati@s]]) are twin {{t|Dragon}}s (one male, one female) featured in the [[Pokémon Heroes|fifth movie]]. Both can take the shape of humans. According to legend, they guard the water city of [[Alto Mare]], and are revered as gods. They have a strong connection with the [[Soul Dew]].
* '''{{MS|380}}{{p|Latias}}''', the female twin, is found in the wild after defeating the Elite Four in [[Pokémon Sapphire]]. She changes routes whenever the player does, and is considered as rare as the Legendary Beasts in Generation II. She can also be obtained in [[Pokémon Ruby]] by using the [[Eon Ticket]] obtained from [[Nintendo Power]]. In {{game|Emerald}}, when the player's mom asks about a TV program after the Elite Four, she appears as in Sapphire if the player chooses Red, and as in Ruby if the player chooses Blue.
* '''{{MS|381}}{{p|Latios}}''', the male twin, is found in the wild after defeating the Elite Four in [[Pokémon Ruby]]. He is considered as rare as the Legendary Beasts in Generation II due to the similar route-changing activities that he shares with them and Latias. He can also be obtained in [[Pokémon Sapphire]] by using the Eon Ticket obtained from Nintendo Power. In {{game|Emerald}}, when the player's mom asks about a TV program after the Elite Four, he appears as in Ruby if the player chooses Blue, and as in Sapphire if the player chooses Red.

===Super-ancient Pokémon===
[[Image:GenIII_Battle.jpg|frame|right|A depiction of the cataclysmic battle between Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza]]
The [[Weather conditions|weather]]-related legendary Pokémon represent the balance of nature and play a major role in the storyline of the [[Hoenn]]-based Generation III games. It is said that, at the beginning of time, Groudon raised lands and expanded continents as Kyogre expanded the seas. These Pokémon took to sleep after a cataclysmic battle, soothed by Rayquaza.

They are based on the {{wp|behemoth}}, {{wp|leviathan}}, and {{wp|ziz}} of Hebrew legend.
* '''{{MS|382}}{{p|Kyogre}}''' is the beast who has the power to expand the sea by bringing forth constant rain. It is found in the [[Cave of Origin]] in [[Pokémon Sapphire]], and [[Marine Cave]] in Emerald. It is the object of [[Team Aqua]]'s reverence. It was seen in the [[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea|ninth movie]].
* '''{{MS|383}}{{p|Groudon}}''' is the beast who has the power to expand the land by scattering rain clouds and making water evaporate with light and heat. It is found in the Cave of Origin in [[Pokémon Ruby]], and [[Terra Cave]] in Emerald. It is the object of [[Team Magma]]'s reverence. It was seen in the [[Jirachi Wishmaker|sixth movie]].
* '''{{MS|384}}{{p|Rayquaza}}''' is the legendary dragon found in the [[Sky Pillar]] in the Generation III games. It is the protector of the skies. It was seen in the [[Destiny Deoxys|seventh movie]].
{{Clear-left}}

===Other legendary Pokémon===
* '''{{MS|385}}{{p|Jirachi}}''' is the legendary wish-granting Pokémon who was available from [[Pokémon Colosseum]]'s bonus disk in North America and available within [[Pokémon Channel]] in the UK, Europe and Australia (PAL Encoded Regions). It is likened to Mew and Celebi. Jirachi is the star of the [[Jirachi: Wish Maker|sixth movie]].
* '''{{MS|386}}/{{MS|386A}}/{{MS|386D}}/{{MS|386S}}{{p|Deoxys}}''' is a Pokémon with strange alien and virus-like characteristics. It changes its form depending on the game version in which it is found. The [[Auroraticket]] used to obtain Deoxys has been given out in North America at the New York [[Pokémon Center (store)|Pokémon Center]] and 2004's [[Pokémon Rocks America]] events. Two different Deoxys were featured in the seventh movie, while a third was featured in ''[[AG171|Pokémon Ranger - Deoxys Crisis!]]''.

==Generation IV==
The [[Generation IV]] games feature a total of 14 Legendary Pokémon, the most of any generation.
{{Clear-both}}
===Mirage Pokémon===
[[Image:LakeTrio.gif|thumb|right|Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf together]]
{{wp|Fairy}}-like creatures that each dwell in a trio of three lakes. Birthed from Arceus, each represents a different aspect of the human mind.
* '''{{MS|480}}{{p|Uxie}}''' embodies knowledge.
* '''{{MS|481}}{{p|Mesprit}}''' embodies emotion.
* '''{{MS|482}}{{p|Azelf}}''' embodies will.

===Legendary dragons===
[[Image:Dragontrio.PNG|180px|thumb|right|Dialga, Palkia and Giratina poster from {{game|Platinum}}]]
The three Pokémon Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina are the mascots for Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum and have the ability to warp the fabric of reality. Birthed from Arceus, they battle for all of eternity in a different dimension. Dialga and Palkia were featured in the [[The Rise of Darkrai|tenth movie]], and Giratina was featured in the [[Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet: Shaymin|eleventh movie]].
* '''{{MS|483}}{{p|Dialga}}''' controls time.
* '''{{MS|484}}{{p|Palkia}}''' controls space.
* '''{{MS|487O}}/{{MS|487}}{{p|Giratina}}''' controls dimensions.
Depending on the game version, [[Team Galactic]] will try to gain control of one using the power of the lake trio. Their goal is to use their power to destroy the {{pkmn|universe}} and rebuild it with [[Cyrus]] as a god.

===Lunar Pokémon===
Based on the [[wp:crescent moon|crescent]] and [[wp:new moon|new]] {{wp|Moon}}, these two Pokémon seem to be complementary of one another. Cresselia can cure the permanent nightmares that Darkrai causes people to suffer.
* '''{{MS|488}}{{p|Cresselia}}''' resembles the crescent moon. It seems to bring peaceful dreams. It can be found [[Roaming Pokémon|roaming]] [[Sinnoh]] after it is first encountered on [[Fullmoon Island]].
* '''{{MS|491}}{{p|Darkrai}}''' can induce sleep and control dreams. It is active during nights with no moon, and can cause its victims to thrash about with terrible nightmares. It can be found on [[Newmoon Island]] if the {{player}} has a Member's Card. It was featured in the [[The Rise of Darkrai|tenth movie]], along with the legendary dragons.

===Other legendary Pokémon===
* '''{{MS|490}}{{p|Manaphy}}''' is referred to as the "Prince of the Sea." It must be hatched from an {{pkmn|egg}} and has the power to swap the hearts of people and Pokémon, putting them into different bodies. It was featured in the [[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea|ninth movie]].
* '''{{MS|489}}{{p|Phione}}''' is the result of breeding Manaphy (or another Phione) with {{p|Ditto}}, and is the only legendary to be obtained in such a manner. Until recently, its status was heavily debated; however, [[Pokémon.com]] revealed that Phione is indeed a legendary.
* '''{{MS|486}}{{p|Regigigas}}''' is the Normal-type Regi that can be found only when the [[Legendary golems|three other Regis]] are reunited. It is said that it moved the continents into place by pulling them on a rope. It was featured in the [[Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet: Shaymin|eleventh movie]]. In [[Pokémon Platinum]] it is stated that it had shaped itself from an iceburg, rocks and magma.
* '''{{MS|485}}{{p|Heatran}}''' is a dual-type Fire/Steel Pokémon that can be found in [[Stark Mountain]]. It was born from the flames of a volcano when Dialga, Palkia and their relatives first created the universe. The lava and magma pooled together to become Heatran, and later, [[Stark Mountain]].
* '''{{MS|492}}/{{MS|492S}}{{p|Shaymin}}''' is the Gratitude Pokémon that curls up in flower-beds and often goes unnoticed. It has the ability to instantly purify an area of all pollutants and transform it into a flowery field. It can transform into another Forme. Shaymin and its Sky Forme were featured in the [[Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet: Shaymin|eleventh movie]].
* '''{{MS|493}}{{p|Arceus}}''' is the creation Pokémon said to have been born from an egg into nothingness. It created matter (time and space) and spirit (knowledge, emotion and will) before falling into eternal slumber. It can be awoken by playing the [[Azure Flute]] at the peak of [[Mt. Coronet]].

==Other Pokémon of myth==
* '''{{p|Arcanine}}''''s [[species]] classification is ''Legendary''.
* The fierceness and destructive nature of '''{{p|Gyarados}}''' is described in the [[Pokédex]] as a thing of legend as is the seemingly complementary beauty and calming ability of '''{{p|Milotic}}'''.
* When facing '''{{p|Rotom}}''', the music is the same as when facing a legendary Pokémon.
* '''{{p|Unown}}''' are a mysterious species of Pokémon based on the Latin alphabet. [[Professor Oak]] referred to them as Legendary, probably because they were featured heavily in ancient myths and legends and because they can display large amounts of otherworldly power in swarms. Also, like legendaries, they cannot breed. In the anime, they appear to live in the [[Unown dimension|same dimension]] as Dialga and Palkia.
* The ''[[pseudo-legendary]]'', Dragon-like Pokémon '''{{p|Dragonite}}''', '''{{p|Tyranitar}}''', '''{{p|Salamence}}''' are usually placed within the "Legendary" section of a regional Pokédex, and are so extraordinarily rare and powerful that they are often mentioned in lists of Legendary Pokémon. '''{{p|Metagross}}''' and '''{{p|Garchomp}}''' are also considered "pseudo-legendary", due to their stats, and Metagross is even placed within the same section of the Hoenn Pokédex as Salamence.
* Like Arcanine, '''{{p|Ninetales}}''' is considered a Legendary Pokémon due to it being elusive, incredibly long-lived, and possessing the ability to cast powerful curses against anyone that touches its tails. This is specifically mentioned in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon]].
*'''{{p|Rapidash}}''' may possibly have "Legendary" status, as it was seen in the first opening running along with Arcanine, the "Legendary" Pokémon, and the Legendary Birds. This may be because, like many legendary Pokémon, it is based on a mythical creature, the {{wp|unicorn}}.
* '''{{p|Lucario}}''' and its master [[Sir Aaron]] were forever revered because of their help pacifying an ancient battle, as seen in the eighth movie. In Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, a Lucario was regarded as a legendary Rescue Team Leader in the distant past, and "Lucario Rank" is the highest attainable team rank in the game. Also, in the opening of the Diamond and Pearl theme song, {{p|Lucario}} appears beside {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}.
* '''{{p|Togepi}}''' and its evolutions are incredibly rare and bring joy wherever they go. In ''[[AG045|A Togepi Mirage!]]'' Togepi is refered to as a savior.
* The presence of '''{{p|Absol}}''' is a fabled warning of impending disaster.

==Trivia==
* In the games, there appears to only be one of every legendary Pokémon, but in the [[anime]], there is more than one of most legendaries.
* Battle themes are shared by related legendaries, while many [[legendary trios]] have a theme specific to themselves. Specifically:
**{{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, and {{p|Moltres}} feature a theme specific to themselves in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, a remix of the standard wild Pokémon encounter in Kanto, as a reference to the fact that in [[Generation I]], there was only one battle theme. When they are encountered in {{game|Platinum}}, they use the standard wild legendary battle theme.
**{{p|Mewtwo}} features a theme specific to itself in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}, another remix of the standard wild Pokémon encounter in Kanto.
**{{p|Mew}} features a theme specific to itself in {{game|Emerald}}, and despite being found in the wild ''only'' in a [[Hoenn]]-based game, it is yet another remix of the standard wild Pokémon encounter in Kanto.
**In {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}, {{p|Raikou}}, {{p|Entei}}, and {{p|Suicune}} featured the standard wild Pokémon encounter music of [[Johto]], however, in {{game|Crystal}}, this was changed to a theme specific to themselves.
**{{p|Lugia}}, {{p|Ho-Oh}}, and {{p|Celebi}} have only featured the standard wild Pokémon battle music when they are encountered.
**{{p|Regirock}}, {{p|Regice}}, and {{p|Registeel}} feature a theme specific to themselves in [[Generation III]] when they are encountered. It was tuned up and reused when they are encountered in {{game|Platinum}}.
**{{p|Latias}} and {{p|Latios}} have only featured the standard wild Pokémon battle music when they are encountered.
**{{p|Groudon}}, {{p|Kyogre}}, and {{p|Rayquaza}} have a theme specific to themselves when encountered in [[Generation III]].
**{{p|Deoxys}} features a battle theme specific to itself when battled on [[Birth Island]], making it the first to share its theme with no other Pokémon.
**{{p|Jirachi}}, {{p|Manaphy}}, and {{p|Phione}} have never appeared in battle as a wild Pokémon aside from [[cheating]].
**{{p|Uxie}}, {{p|Mesprit}}, and {{p|Azelf}} feature a theme specific to themselves in [[Generation IV]] when they are encountered.
**{{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} feature a theme specific to themselves in [[Generation IV]] when they are encountered.
**{{p|Giratina}} features a theme specific to itself in {{game|Platinum}} when it is encountered.
**{{p|Heatran}}, {{p|Regigigas}}, {{p|Darkrai}}, {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, and {{p|Moltres}} feature a theme specific to themselves in [[Generation IV]] when they are encountered. This theme is, strangely, shared with the non-legendary {{p|Rotom}}, and likewise is shared with {{p|Giratina}} in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}.
**{{p|Shaymin}} and {{p|Cresselia}} use the standard wild Pokémon battle music when they are encountered.
**{{p|Arceus}}, perhaps fittingly, has its own theme shared with no others as well.

==Related articles==
*[[Myths and legends involving legendary Pokémon]]
*[[Sinnoh myths]]
*[[History of the Pokémon world]]
*[[Pseudo-legendary]]

==External links==
*[http://www.dark-stars.net/Legend/ Legends of the Mon], the fanlisting for legendary Pokémon.

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Talk:Charon

2008-09-27T14:55:03Z

Nobody777: /* The toy */ new section

==Hair==

Since all the other commanders of team galactic have their hair based on a Pokémon in their party what Pokémon is Plutos hair based off?
From:[[User:Ultamatecharizard]]
:Only [[Jupiter|one member]] is truly based on a Pokémon. The others are just speculation. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
== Old Chateau? ==
Do you know how the Old Chateau is a abandoned Mansion in the forest and where {{p|Rotom}} can be caught, does anyone think that when the Old Chateau was new and people lived in it if Pluto could of been living there? Because he befriended Rotom and how the Chateau's description says 'The mansion is falling into deep disrepair after being abandoned by its Owner' could be linked to Pluto? I was always thinking [[Mr. Backlot]] was linked to the Old Chateau but after reading Pluto's history I thought Pluto could of originally been in the Chateau. Possibly the mansion was abandoned after the Butler and the Girl died in some kind of accident(Possibly a fire?) --[[User:Zooky|Zooky]] 19:43, 19 September 2008

:makes sense ,but does that mean that the girl could be related to Pluto?
:by the way its my birthday [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 22:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== battle ==

do you ever get to battle him.

No. [[User:Joshuamanimtim2|K.J.Boring]] 04:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

whats the point of him if you dont battle him and he only does something at the end at mt. stark and then gets arrested straight away without battle. seems pointless. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 12:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== The toy ==

Rotom as you all know, can enter machines and control them(oven, lawn mawer, fan, fridge and somethinf else but I can't remember), so if rotom can control these appliances why can't we find rotom in the form of that mysterios toy?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 14:55, 27 September 2008 (UTC)