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Talk:Professor Kukui

2018-07-31T01:03:55Z

Muur1234:

== Speech ==
His [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K3Cs7WyAxE Japanese trailer] has a lot more dialog from him than the English version. One immediately obvious character trait is that he speaks in an ''extremely'' casual style for a man of his age and position. The lone English line of his in the US/UK trailer shows its maintained in the English text. This seems a prominent enough character trait to add to the page. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] ([[User talk:Deuxhero|talk]]) 00:36, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

== Kukui's Rockruff ==

He was shown to own a Rockruff today in footage from Pokenchi. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 23:49, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
:It looks like it could very easily have just been a clip from the game's intro. I.e., that'd be like saying Sycamore [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t12aJ2WjVCg&t=45s owns a Gogoat]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 00:29, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::wait... why don't we say Sycamore owns a Gogoat? [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 16:14, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::...Why should we? It happens in every game. And is there ever a point in the rest of the game that shows any of the professors with the intro Pokemon again? [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 16:21, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Is there ever a point in the rest of the game that shows the Old Man from Kanto's Weedle again? Or Calem/Serena's Bunnelby that they catch in the tutorial? But those are listed.
::::Even if we make a unique section for "in opening" like how Calem/Serena have "Caught in tutorial", it should be mentioned somewhere. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 18:39, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::I'm really not sure about that... Go back and watch Sycamore's intro. Are you gonna tell me that's part of the "real (Pokemon) world"? At the end, you go through a door of light in the middle of the room. It's just an abstract thing. I don't think hardly ''any'' of the intros make strict sense (especially the professors' dialogue) if you try to imagine it as actually happening "for real". Maybe ORAS, but it's still presented in a relatively unique circumstance.
:::::The catching tutorials are not even remotely the same thing. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:01, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
::::::Alright, but why is there something wrong with keeping it in a separate section like "Shown in opening" or something? That makes it clear that it isn't in the rest of the game, and if readers want to believe that those scenes are canon and the professors own that Pokemon, then they can. If they want to believe they don't really own that Pokemon, they can do that too.
::::::It's also worth noting that Juniper's Minccino does appear outside of the opening, but I'm pretty sure she's the only one, so it probably isn't enough to say that every professor is the same. [[User:Nutter Butter|Nutter Butter]] ([[User talk:Nutter Butter|talk]]) 03:13, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Personally, I just don't think anything like that is necessary. (For mostly the reasons I expressed above.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 14:12, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
:He uses the Rockruff in the demo version to show you how to catch pokemon.--[[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] ([[User talk:Lego3400|talk]]) 16:35, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

== Kukui's Demo Version Dialogues ==

So out of boredom, I decided to collect all of Kukui's dialogue in the game before realizing that I don't have the authority to edit this page yet. I gathered them all in the pastebin [http://pastebin.com/MptRMscK here], and coded them already to the usual character dialogue style. I hope anyone finds this useful. --[[User:Aozora210|Aozora210]] ([[User talk:Aozora210|talk]]) 21:12, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
:It's very useful and it has been added to the page. Thank you! --[[User:Mikuri|'''Mi''']][[User talk: Mikuri|'''ku''']][[Special:Contributions/Mikuri|'''ri''']] 21:43, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

== Name version and starter pokemon ==

Professor Kukui is the first and only professor to not change the name from japanese version to the US version, also he is the first professor to not give the player his/her starter pokémon or having someone related to him(like an assistant) do it.[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 10:15, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

== Primarina's gender ==
Right now, Kukui's Primarina's gender is shown as male. But I'm defending my title against Kukui right now and his Primarina is female. Is there a possibility, that his Pokémon can be of either gender (retaining their gender on subsequent battles, of course)? [[User:Kikugi|Kikugi]] ([[User talk:Kikugi|talk]]) 10:40, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

==Spoilers?==

Is it worth putting a spoiler tag on the story part of the article? Personally I found it more exciting when I didn't know who I was going to face in the final battle. [[User:BobBot321|BobBot321]] ([[User talk:BobBot321|talk]]) 20:39, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

== Gen 1 Reference ==
Is the fact you have to challenge him as the final boss of the game being very similar to the glitch Oak battle in gen 1 worth trivia? Or since it is only speculation Oak was going to be the final boss (considering his team changed based off of your starter and had levels higher than Blue) make that suspect? [[User:TsukikoKoizumi|TsukikoKoizumi]] ([[User talk:TsukikoKoizumi|talk]]) 09:53, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

==Masked Royal==
Like with Sam, why don't we have a page for the MR? the Sam page exists so there's no "spoilers", even though it tells you they're the same like with Sam. Surely this should be the same for the Masked Royal? (and it technically doesn't even tell you they're the same person) https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Sam [[User:Muur1234|Muur1234]] ([[User talk:Muur1234|talk]]) 01:03, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Ash Ketchum (M20)

2018-07-08T04:17:35Z

Muur1234: Created page with "==Butterfree Release== So I was informed that Pokemon don't count as "owned" if caught for less than one episode. In that case, doesn't M20 count as "one episode"? Butterfree..."

==Butterfree Release==
So I was informed that Pokemon don't count as "owned" if caught for less than one episode. In that case, doesn't M20 count as "one episode"? Butterfree shouldn't be listed as released.[[User:Muur1234|Muur1234]] ([[User talk:Muur1234|talk]]) 04:17, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Ash's Naganadel

2018-07-07T16:55:06Z

Muur1234:

== What Move Poipole used on Rowlet ==
Toxic?
Acid?
Or Sludge Wave?
{{unsigned|Makarov5}}
:We don't know. Wait until it's mentioned in the future or the dub captions reveal the move. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 14:05, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
It looked exactly like how TS used Toxic against Ash and his mom in their battle.[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] ([[User talk:1rkhachatryan|talk]]) 21:20, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:As Playerking95 says, we only accept moves based on what dialogue or captions say on the move unless they have unique animation. At present, we don't know as yet.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 21:26, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

== First genderless ==
Should we add that Poipole is Ash's first genderless pokemon? [[User:Artichoker|Artichoker]] ([[User talk:Artichoker|talk]]) 03:42, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

== No moves ==
Shouldn't the Trivia add at least that Poipole is the first of Ash's Pokémon after capture not not have any known moves. It's been 12 episodes since its capture and hasn't used any official moves.

[[User:HygorBH|HygorBH]] ([[User talk:HygorBH|talk]]) 01:55, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
:Poipole may have one move confirmed but we have to wait for close captions to confirm.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 07:45, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
::Krabby, Muk, and Tauros also took a while to get moves, though they were never on hand.--[[User:Rahl|Rahl]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 12:43, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

==Fifth caught?==
Buzzwole is fourth[[User:Muur1234|Muur1234]] ([[User talk:Muur1234|talk]]) 16:55, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Ash Ketchum

2018-07-07T05:11:58Z

Muur1234: /* SM061 */

<big><big><big>ASH WAS CONFIRMED 10 YEARS OF AGE IN THE FIRST EPISODE OF THE BEST WISHES SERIES AND IN THE SUN & MOON SERIES CHARACTER PROFILES. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE POSTS QUESTIONING HIS AGE.</big></big></big>

== Previous discussions ==
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
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== Rotom Pokédex in "Unofficial" Segment ==

The Rotom Pokédex qualifies under that category and travels alongside Ash and his buddies. Should it be included? If so, the template will need a minor adjustment for this to work. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 03:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
:I'm all for its inclusion. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 21:51, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

== Ash staying 10years old ==

The convention in Delaware with the original voice actor of Jessie when asked Ash's age said he was still 10 because the show is an evergreen show.--Pokemonfansuper 13:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

== In the games section ==
Should we have a section of Ash's appearances in the games? He's appeared in Puzzle League and implied to be the writer of the letter at the beginning of the Sun and Moon demo. He's also present in all the SEGA Pico games, and there are event Pokémon based on his Pokémon (like Ash's Pikachu back in Generation IV and now Ash-Greninja). [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 08:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

: I was about to ask the same question before I saw it had been asked already, so I wanna draw attention to it again because I agree. [[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 13:47, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

== Taking Care Of segment for Pokémon Egg ==

Since both he and Lillie were tasked with watching over the Pokémon Egg, it should be noted on both of their pages. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 18:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

== Poke Ride ==

Why don't we add the Poke ride Pokémon that Ash uses? I had added Sharpedo, Tauros and Lapras but they removed? Why should Poke Ride be listed on Kiawe'd page but not Ash's? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 17:53, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:Everything that Ash uses or interacts with in any way should not (IMO) be notable. He rides Poke Ride Pokemon. So? That's what they're there for, he doesn't own them or anything significant. I really think random Poke Ride Pokemon should be removed from others' pages too, but I removed them here in particular because Ash just has so many Pokemon listed, and these ones really didn't deserve it (again, IMO). [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

But he actually using them in the series as Kiawe have Pokemon to ride at school as it shown own his page. He doesn't own the Taurus from the Pokemon school or the wailmer. If I'm correct, dose that mean Ash on his article should have those Pokemon own his article. Ash shown to use few Pokemon that aren't in the game to ride on such as Wailmer and pelipper. Should we add those Pokemon it seems important for the series articles. --[[User:DragoAlex|DragoAlex]] ([[User talk:DragoAlex|talk]]) 19:29, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

== Split suggestion ==

I propose that we split off the lists of Ash's Pokémon into a secondary article, which could be titled "Ash Ketchum's Pokémon," "Ash's Pokémon," "Ash Ketchum/Pokémon," or anything similar. By my count, the anime list alone takes up a full quarter of this page's ridiculous size (25k of ~100k bytes). In my opinion, this page should keep whatever Ash has in his party or in rotation, since that's what's relevant to the current anime, and everything else would be visible on the secondary page without cluttering up this main page. Thanks for your consideration. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 19:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:I think it's the temporary Pokémon section that's taking up the most space and should be split off the page. We do have a [[List of Pokémon temporarily owned by the Team Rocket trio]], so we can do the same for Ash's temporary Pokémon. However, everything else is too important to place elsewhere.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:46, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
:: I second Force Fire's suggestion! [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 12:34, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
:::I've [[User:Force Fire/List of Pokémon temporarily owned by Ash Ketchum|started a page]], feel free to edit it and make suggestions.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 05:44, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
::I'm also with ForceFire. And what do you think about putting together released, traded away, given away and unofficial Pokemon to "lost Pokemon"?--[[User:Dominikololo|Dominikololo]] ([[User talk:Dominikololo|talk]]) 15:09, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
:::I agree with Pumpkinking0192 as in we should split the page, the anime isn't likely to stop soon and Ash is bound to get more pokemon as time goes on Though I do believe that there should be a page with pokemon that reside at Oak's laboratory and a section for Ash's pokemon and one for Gary's (if there are any known) and have this page link to it instead of listing all pokemon that Oak is keeping for Ash. If we don't split the page eventually it'll take an hour to quickly scroll to the bottom and yes I realize that at the top there are links to send you to the area you want quickly but there are also people in this world who dislike using those links. {{unsigned|Pokegail|20:11, 25 September 2017 (UTC)}}
::I also second {{U|Force Fire}}. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:25, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

== Picture ==

First off I realized that Pikachu was edited in Ash's picture when in reality he should be alone like this: http://www.pokebeach.com/news/1016/Ash-Pikachu-Sun-Moon-Anime.jpg
Can someone remove pikachu from the picture?

Also for when the 20th movie comes out should we change his picture to his movie appearance? {{unsigned|Theexploringgamer}}
:The image will not be replaced, because the movie is a standalone thing, whereas his current outfit will go on for a while after the movie airs, so there's no point in changing it for the movie and then changing it back afterwards when the next Sun and Moon episode airs. [[User:Playerking95|Playerking95]] ([[User talk:Playerking95|talk]]) 13:37, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

== Ash's Xy section ==

Don't you think there's a bit too much on Ash's xy section? I think it's a bit too long and detailed to the point where it spoils important parts of episodes or just that it has minor unnecessarily parts. I feel like it is like this with characters like Bonnie, Serena and xy in general {{unsigned|Mowahib}}
:Obviously so. I've been planning to make heavy, heavy trims once I've watched all of XY, but that may not happen for awhile. In the meantime, you're welcome to do it yourself. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 14:30, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

==Sun and Moon Ash Statement==
A friend brought this up to me earlier today and it has an official comment from the sound director on Twitter. So... uh... I'm going to mention this. http://satoshipediaeng.altervista.org/sun-moon-is-not-continuation-of-xyz-the-main-characters-are-completely-new-ash-and-pikachu/ [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 16:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:That article doesn't make a lot of sense and seems like overly agitated ramblings. It's much, much more likely that the tweet is simply misinterpreted: "not a continuation of XYZ" just means that it's a new season, just like Best Wishes could be seen as "not a continuation of DP" and XY as "not a continuation of Best Wishes". And "a completely new Satoshi and Pikachu" is patently ridiculous to take literally; it's probably referring to his character design, or else is a metaphor for, again, starting fresh with a new season.
:Let me ask you this: if Sun & Moon Ash were really a new character who's not the same as Ash from previous seasons, then how would he have been able to refer to [[Ash's Tauros|his Tauros]] in [[SM001]]? It's that simple. It's the same Ash as ever, period. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 16:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:: The phrasing is up for interpretation, they could've meant it's not a continuation of XYZ in tone (which sound is a huge part of), since XYZ was of course much darker and intense than SM is, and that Ash is different to his XYZ version because he's more lax than semi-serious as he was in XYZ. I think if it was an entirely different reality they would've made a much bigger deal about it [[User:Azure42|Azure/ChromeVoid42]] ([[User talk:Azure42|talk]]) 16:39, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
::: I'm simply bringing this up is all. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 17:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
::: While I'm (sadly) leaning towards this being possible (consider the 20th movie being a drastically altered retelling of the first few episodes, and that reboots in general are for some reason huge in the entertainment industry right now), the article also argues that the Best Wishes series is a separate continuity, which is definitely untrue. [[User:TeridaxXD001|TeridaxXD001]] ([[User talk:TeridaxXD001|talk]]) 20:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
:::: Since the tweet also contains pencil artwork of the SM series, I think the director is most likely referring to the new art style. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 20:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

==Higher Quality Sun and Moon character artwork==
I just found character artwork for the Sun and Moon series in a larger and higher quality. They are found on the Gulli (French TV channel) website. It also includes Ash without Pikachu.
http://resize3-gulli.ladmedia.fr/img//var/jeunesse/storage/images/gulli/chaine-tv/dessins-animes/pokemon/dresseurs/sacha/26571585-3-fre-FR/Sacha.jpg

Here's the link to the artwork: http://www.gulli.fr/Chaine-TV/Dessins-animes/Pokemon/Dresseurs
([[User:Pansagetrent9|Pansagetrent9]] ([[User talk:Pansagetrent9|talk]]) 15:43, 16 July 2017 (UTC))

: Hey, this also includes high-quality artwork for most of the SM cast, nice!
:The pictures have artifacts and the colors are a bit off, but I'll try to clean them up and upload them later. Thanks for the info! --[[User:Gabo 2oo|Gabo 2oo]] ([[User talk:Gabo 2oo|talk]]) 02:54, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

== Possible M20 split? ==

Unlike the other movies, M20 is not filler. It's been said to take place in a different dimension than the main series. In other words, M20!Ash=/=MS!Ash. Should we split the page, so that all the information concerning M20!Ash does not contradict the main page. Another reason is that the two characters lived different lives, had different outfits, different companions, etc. We would no place to write the exploits of M20!Ash. It could be like what the wiki did when separating EToP!Ash from the main Ash page. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 19:03, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

:I've started a [[User:TheFatPanda/Ash Ketchum (M20)|page for the other Ash]] within my user page, if anybody wants to expand upon and use it? [[User:TheFatPanda|TheFatPanda]] ([[User talk:TheFatPanda|talk]]) 13:42, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

==Poké Ride Stoutland picture==

I removed he that picture for Poké Ride Stouland https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:SM032.png because it was updated and now don't fit for that space. I actually don't have permission for reverting or upload files. Can someone put this file instead [https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/archive/2/2c/20170731022036%21SM032.png] [[User:TossedDwarf5019|TossedDwarf5019]] ([[User talk:TossedDwarf5019|talk]]) 16:42, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

:Done. [[User:Satsjoe|Satsjoe]] ([[User talk:Satsjoe|talk]]) 15:26, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

::Thank you! [[User:TossedDwarf5019|TossedDwarf5019]] ([[User talk:TossedDwarf5019|talk]]) 18:54, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

== Ash Kalos Full Party ==

May i have the previous photo from Kalos Full Party to save for myself please? Didn´t thought you guys would remove.--[[User:Robin Maximo|Robin Maximo]] ([[User talk:Robin Maximo|talk]]) 13:04, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
:Right here [[:File:Ash Kalos Team.png]] --[[User:Raltseye|Raltseye]] [[User talk:Raltseye|prata med mej]] 13:21, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

== Split ==

I disagree with splitting Ash's Pokémon from this page. I think listing them here is important. Most of his Pokémon are only links to their own pages, so don't take up much space anyway.

However, I do think it would be a good idea to split "Ash's temporary Pokémon" to a separate page, much like [[List of Pokémon temporarily owned by the Team Rocket trio]]. They do take up a lot of space, and don't have much relevance to Ash as a character. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:49, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
:I do believe that's [[#Split suggestion|the consensus that was reached above]], in case the reason you're making a new section is that you didn't see that one. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 04:30, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

== Ash's Buzzwole ==

It's currently listed under "Temporary pokémon", but it's the only pokémon in this category at the moment that Ash actually caught in a pokéball. Since Ash actually caught and then released Buzzwole it should be moved up to "Released Pokémon". The description of "Temporary pokémon" does not fit as Buzzwole is neither a wild pokémon Ash teamed up with nor belongs to another trainer. There's precedence for this in Beedrill, which Ash also actually caught in a pokéball, which is now in its own category above the one for "temporary pokémon". [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] ([[User talk:Mijzelffan|talk]]) 12:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

: I agree with this. Only major thing we'll have to do is make a page for Buzzwole. [[User:Super10ZX|Super10ZX]] ([[User talk:Super10ZX|talk]]) 13:02, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

: I think that case is the same of Seaking, catching in Johto. Ash doesn't use Buzzwole like the others Pokémon, just catch it. --[[User:Lockheedpryde|Lockheedpryde]] ([[User talk:Lockheedpryde|talk]]) 13:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

::Seaking has less going for it than Buzzwole. Seaking is caught as part of a game which has the rules to be released after, similarly to something like the [[Battle Bingo]]. It's even caught in an anime-only Lake Ball which seems to have a 100% catch rate and might not be an actual pokéball. No such arguments can be made for the Buzzwole however, which was caught as an ordinary wild pokémon in a legitimate pokéball. After catching it Ash even does his traditional "caught a pokémon" pose. [[User:Mijzelffan|Mijzelffan]] ([[User talk:Mijzelffan|talk]]) 13:59, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Seaking was caught as part of a [[Seaking Catching Day|structured competition]] that requires Trainers to release their Seaking back into the Seaking's natural habitat afterward; Buzzwole is caught as part of a [[Ultra Guardians|structured team effort]] that requires members to release Ultra Beasts back into [[Ultra Space|the UBs' natural habitat]] afterward. I feel like they're much more similar than you're giving them credit for. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 17:01, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Also, similar question. Why is Charjabug in Temporary section if it was caught and by the same episode gave to someone else like Beedrill?--[[User:Dominikololo|Dominikololo]] ([[User talk:Dominikololo|talk]]) 15:02, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
:He never actually caught Charjabug in a Pokéball so it wouldn't count.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 15:05, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

== Catching Poipole ==

Is it safe to say Ash will catch Poipole as his 5th Pokemon judging by the Intro Japanese Future Connection? like opening animation spoilers the capture of poipole
--[[User:Feelitstill23|Use Brave Bird]] ([[User talk:Feelitstill23|talk]]) 16:04, 20 February 2018 (UTC)Feelitstill23
:Sadly Bulbapedia isn't for speculation and won't be added until the episode Ash catches Poipole, assuming he does airs.--[[User:BigDocFan|BigDocFan]] ([[User talk:BigDocFan|talk]]) 16:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

== SM055 ==

This paragraph was removed under the reasoning that Ash was not heavily focused on in [[SM055]].

: In ''[[SM055|The Professors' New Adventure!]]'', Nebby disappeared, leaving Ash feeling sorry for not able to thank it for its help. Later, Ash discovered that Professor Kukui and [[Professor Burnet]] had decided to get married. After learning they weren't planning to have a wedding, Ash and his classmates arranged a surprise wedding ceremony, with Ash acting as the ring bearer. During the reception, Lusamine, [[Wicke]] and Faba approached Ash and his friends, with Faba apologizing for his earlier actions. The three then invited Ash and his classmates to join an Ultra Beast response unit called the [[Ultra Guardians]], which they all agreed to. By the end of the ceremony, Ash saw Nebby flying through the sky and thanked it before Nebby disappeared.

I would disagree considering that joining the Ultra Guardians was a major plot point and lead-in to future episodes, and the Pokémon School students are directly involved in organising the wedding ceremony (in Ash's case, including waking up Professor Kukui and being the ring bearer). Also the Legendary Pokémon Ash was gifted by the Island Guardians for ten episodes (who helped with the rescue of Lusamine) leaving does seem pretty major regarding Ash and Nebby to me (that's not me saying to include EVERY capture, evolution, departure and hatching across the various regions in Ash's history section though). [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 23:33, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:It's important to note that some pages, particularly Ash's here, can get very big very easily. The history should probably be pretty broad strokes. Take a look at the Advanced Generation section: that hardly references any specific episodes, and (...without being involved in the anime much) IMO that's probably a good idea for the whole history section. (DP and BW look alright too perhaps. OS, XY, and SM can probably use greater or lesser amounts of cleaning up or compressing.)
:Just glancing at what's above, I'd say that in particular the wedding may not be that important. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 23:53, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:: I do in broad terms understand being more sparing with space and compressing when a character is around for over 5 years, never mind 20 like Ash. Although I'm not 100% sure about outright being vague with citing episodes, especially when the individual series span over a hundred episodes (or at least 3 seasons) each. At a minimum, I'd feel like mentioning "after badge X" or "after town Y" or "the Z league" and put in a more chronological order than I've seen ([https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Ash_Ketchum&type=revision&diff=2766416&oldid=2766415 for instance, this bit correcting how in XY, Ash's travels with Korrina come BEFORE the Summer Camp]).
:: Specifically regarding the events of the episode, though, I still defend what I said about Ash, Nebby and the Ultra Guardians for the reasons I already said, even if I get just for space reasons we don't need to blow-by-blow mention everything that's plot related from ''[[S21|Ultra Adventures]]'' (though off the top of my head, I think that would depend heavily on the anime character's page). [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 01:35, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
::: Maybe my issue is I just have a vague distinction in my head between compressing/simplifying/making something less run-on vs. burning it all down. [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 01:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't encourage "After X/Y/Z" one after another either, this isn't a grade schooler's report on how to make peanut butter and jelly. This should be a well considered, encyclopedic summary. The AG section really is a ''good'' overview. It reads very well.
::::The current SM section practically comes off more as a journal, with an episode title starting basically every paragraph. I understand that it may seem difficult since that's ongoing. It's still subpar; not what we should really want. ...Or, heck, I could be half wrong. Maybe we could try to only have a broad strokes overview of most of the previous/current episodes, but—as it is the ongoing season—perhaps we could try to go into some more specific detail for the latest significant episode (such as, say, Ultra Guardians); but even that should remain as limited as possible, not letting half a dozen episodes' worth of specifics build up at the end of the section. (...I'm not demanding that the SM section change. I'm not part of the anime enough to keep that in check all the time. I'm just emphasizing that there are better things we could do—or will need to do once the series is over, at the very least.) [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 01:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
::::: Been thinking about this, and I think while I understand the way the paragraph beginnings look may not be ideal or sufficiently encyclopedic, I'm not hugely in favour of them being unsourced in any way either (or only sourced as far as "in the {{series|Advanced Generation}}" and so forth, even though the anime more often than not changes regions long-term within the same series). Whether this is on Ash in SM or in already-completed series. I just took "in [episode whatever]" thing as a kind of inelegant stopgap. [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 11:42, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Kind of want to hear more opinions in the community before making any decision (I've been editing here a month, and Tiddlywinks by their own admission isn't involved much with anime characters). But for now, on this page I'm going to hold off additional "in [episode]" stuff when adding or changing info until I have a better idea for what's...par, I guess? [[User:TardisTybort|TardisTybort]] ([[User talk:TardisTybort|talk]]) 19:18, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
:I would agree with Tiddlywinks on this one. Given Ash is the main protagonist of the whole anime and we will be following him for years to come, our criteria for episode plot inclusion should naturally be much more stricter. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 05:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

==SM061==
Why aren't we counting Buzzwole as a fully owned Ash Pokemon? it's with the ones like Pokemon he borrowed and yet he clearly caught it so why don't we have a page with "Ash's Buzzwole". Sure he only had it for 7 seconds but a catch is a catch and I think it should be under released and have a profile of its own. He got a Pokeball, threw it at the Pokemon and caught it. He even did his, I CAUGHT A POKEMON! putting it with random Pokes he's borrowed or made friends with is misleading IMO because he literally caught it[[User:Muur1234|Muur1234]] ([[User talk:Muur1234|talk]]) 03:04, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
:The same reason Seaking is under temporary and not released, he had it for less than an episode. It's not notable for its own article, regardless of it being an Ultra Beast. There's literally nothing more you can add if it were given an article.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 04:37, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
::I don't care too much about the article but more about the placement of the Pokemon on his page.[[User:Muur1234|Muur1234]] ([[User talk:Muur1234|talk]]) 05:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:Game move errors

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==Bonsly==
Er, should we really include Bonsly just because it's using a move one generation before its (Bonsly's, I mean) official debut? On that note, there's a Machamp in one of the Battle CDs that can use Swords Dance. I'll try to find more details. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 13:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
:I agree, including Bonsly's Rock Slide is comparable to adding every move used by Harrison's Blaziken/Kecleon, May's Munchlax, James's Mime Jr. and Brock's Bonsly and the others [[anime move errors|here]].--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 13:34, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
::Completely agree. Bonsly can learn Rock Slide after it is available in-game. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:17, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

==Moves at the wrong level==
Should we list moves that Pokémon can learn, but cannot know at their level? For example, a user recently added Winona's Altaria for {{m|Dragon Dance}}. If we do, they should certainly be in a separate section to the rest of them, like the illegal combinations are. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:17, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:I've moved Altaria to its own section, are there any others that need added? '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 19:19, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

== Guardian Signs skills ==

I don't think we should be listing "throwing rocks" and "teleporting" as using the moves. They can simply be skills rather than moves, and based on Pokémon Ranger as a whole, are very unlikely to be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:54, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
:A little late, but I agree. For all we know, they are simply using {{m|Fling}}, or even just throwing them without any sort of attack being involved. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
::I got rid of the "rock throw", but I think Bronzor using Teleport should stay, I don't think there is a difference between Teleport and 'teleporting'. IMO, it would be the same as saying, for example, the Bellsprout in [[DP134]] is just absorbing the foe's energy, instead of using {{m|Absorb}}. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 21:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

== Mainspace? ==

Is there any reason why this page should not yet be mainspaced? It looks all right to me. - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 00:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

== Goldeen's Splash in Smash Bros? ==

In the Smash Bros series, Goldeen used Splash when sent out, despite being unable to learn that move by any means. Should it be added? [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 16:04, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

== Rayquaza's Dig ==

In Super Smash Bros Brawl, Rayquaza attacks by using Dig, which it can't learn in the games. {{unsigned|Squirtle drink}}
:Just checked the appropriate pages to make sure, and it looks like a move error to me. Will add it. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:52, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

== Pokémon Stadium 2 Problems ==

I haven't played Stadium 2 in ages so I could be wrong but I think that there are mistakes in the raichu and the exeggutor. I believe that if you beat round 2 mode of Stadium 2 and brought pikachu with you in each battle, it rewarded you by letting you teach it surf. If that is the case then it would be possible to have a raichu with an egg move and surf. I also think that you could use TMs from RBY on a pokémon in a GSC game if you went to that place that you could move boxes and items around. I'm less sure on that one though because it was long before I bred for egg moves so I could be completely off base there. [[User:O76923|O76923]] ([[User talk:O76923|talk]]) 09:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
:Reversal and AncientPower were introduced in Generation II, so you can't trade Pokémon that know them to Generation I games.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 09:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

==Sidney's Shiftry==
It is level 48 and knows Extrasensory which Nuzleaf doesn't normally learn until level 49. {{unsigned|Gatogirl}}
:After checking, I am able to confirm that it should not learn it that early. Also, since Seedot cannot learn it by breeding, I added it to the list. Thanks for catching that. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 00:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
::Let me ask you a question. Why didn't you add it yourself? I will admit that sometimes I bring something up in the discussion pages if I'm about to add something that's questionable. But since you know for a fact that's true and worthy, I don't see how you couldn't add it yourself. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] ([[User talk:TheBlazikenMaster|talk]]) 17:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

== Bruno's Exeggutor ==

Could we reword the sentence for Bruno's Exeggutor so it says it couldn't learn both {{m|AncientPower}} and {{m|Explosion}} simultaneously at the time, because since Gen III it's been possible to have an Exeggutor that legally knows both those moves. --[[User:Relicant|'''Reli'''★'''ジーランス''']]'''?''' 12:52, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

== Gen VI illegal move? ==

I noticed on Battle Chatelaine Evelyn's page, that her Entei knows Sacred Fire. If I have seen it correctly, shouldn't Ho-Oh be the only one with this move or do we have to wait to tell for this one? ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 02:39, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
:Since Entei is not currently available in Generation VI, we actually don't know if it can learn Sacred Fire. Until Poké Transporter is released, I think it is best to give the game the benefit of the doubt. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:43, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
::Seeing as Pokémon Bank was released today, I guess we'll see soon enough if it's an illegal move eh? :P ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 19:15, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
:::It's been known for almost a day that Entei can now learn it.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 19:21, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
::::Oh, I thought it came out today, didn't know. Sorry. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 20:42, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

== Entei ==
In that image of Bryce's Piloswine using Fury Attack, that's Entei on the defence isn't it? It doesn't match the G2 sprites given on Entei's page, but it sure looks like Entei's G3 backsprites. Did it have a different back sprite in Crystal that Entei's page doesn't have on record? [[User:Bug Catcher Wade|'''Bug Catcher Wade''']] 08:09, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, it's its [[a:File:Spr b 2c 244.png|Crystal sprite]]. We are currently working on to update the sprite template so that it can have all the sprites.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|電禅]][[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|Den Zen]]''' 09:01, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

== Victory Road Flygon ==

In Pokémon Black/White 2, I might get the level wrong, but you have to trust me. I fought a Flygon in Victory Road that hit my Flygon with Dragon Claw at level 54, despite learning it at level 55.

He might have taught it via TM, but I'm just peeved off he beat up my Flygon that was the SAME EXACT LEVEL with a move that he doesn't learn naturally at the level.
[[User:SuperLuigi9624|SuperLuigi9624]] ([[User talk:SuperLuigi9624|talk]]) 01:33, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:It's not unusual at all for regular trainers to use TM moves, even if they'd be part of a learnset at a later level. It's otherwise not worth putting in this article. [[User:Chicobo329|Chicobo329]] ([[User talk:Chicobo329|talk]]) 03:42, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Really now? I never noticed any out-of-the-blue TM moves. Probably because I'm always so overleveled and one-shot them.
But, isn't the TM for that located at Dragonspiral Tower? It's out of place. But I'm still angry at that trainer. [[User:SuperLuigi9624|SuperLuigi9624]] ([[User talk:SuperLuigi9624|talk]]) 19:04, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:TM02 is in Victory Road in BW. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] ([[User talk:Jdthebud|talk]]) 06:23, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
::Never mind, I mistook your game for BW when it was BW2. --[[User:Jdthebud|Jdthebud]] ([[User talk:Jdthebud|talk]]) 09:39, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

== Fairy Wind Gardevoir ==

Should it be in this article since they probably changed it before they released the game. [[User:Ellis99|Ellis99]] ([[User talk:Ellis99|talk]]) 08:28, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
:They did, but I still think it is interesting to note. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:34, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

== Rumble World ==

Since the Froakie and Togepi were, in fact, gifts, should their moves be considered event moves in the vein of {{DL|List of local Japanese event Pokémon distributions in Generation V|15th Anniversary Rayquaza}}'s {{m|V-create}} and [[List of Nintendo event Pokémon with in-game effects#Entei|Shiny Entei]]'s {{m|Flare Blitz}}? - [[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]] 13:51, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
:The main difference is that the event Pokémon were distributed for the main games with the move in question. As for the Gift Froakie and Togepi, it's best if we don't list their illegal moves as event moves; that could create confusion. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 22:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

==Winstrate Vicky's Meditite and Norman's Linoone==
It is level 18 and knows [[Hi Jump Kick]] which Meditite doesn't normally learn until level 32 in Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald. Is a move at the wrong level? In Pokémon Colosseum is one of its purified moves. [[User:NeoCrimson|NeoCrimson]] 04:48, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
:It's possible to breed a Meditite with Hi Jump Kick (so hatching at level 5 in Gen III) if both parents know it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
::I see. And about Norman's Linoone in Emerald? Zigzagoon cannot learn [[Slash]]. [[User:NeoCrimson|NeoCrimson]] 03:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
:::That would be an example. I've added it to the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 05:51, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

== On Aerodactyl and Dragonite ==

Shouldn't they be a former error? Other error pages have former error sections, so... [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 11:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
:Unless an old game is updated (not talking about remakes), it is not possible for an error to become a "former" error like it may for the anime, manga, or TCG. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 11:50, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
::As the page stands, we do list if a move became (or formerly was) learnable by the Pokémon, but the error is still in the game where it is impossible, so it stays in the errors section. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 16:41, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding Moltres's Leer Error Status ==

It doesn't seem like Leer Moltres should be listed on this page. In Japan, "Leer Moltres" has become an internet meme of sorts, lamenting Moltres for learning the move in Gen I at the same level Articuno learns Blizzard and Zapdos learns Thunder. Considering the PWT download tournament gave Moltres the move deliberately to reference this, does it really qualify as an "error"? [[User:Desupisaro|Desupisaro]] ([[User talk:Desupisaro|talk]]) 06:35, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
:It would as a player cannot own a Moltres with the move in that Generation legally. --[[User:Super goku|Super goku]] ([[User talk:Super goku|talk]]) 07:40, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

== Nobody mentioned Blissey with Reflect? ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfKwfi-3Tss

Although Chansey can in RBY, there's no way for Blissey to have it in XD. I'd add it myself, but I'm afraid of breaking the table. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 05:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
:Okay, so I thought that area was just gray because it was highlighting the change. I was wrong. I'll try to fix that now. Also, I tried to upload this image, but it wouldn't let me. [http://i.imgur.com/6DuedHN.png] [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:10, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
::Never mind; Cold beat me to it. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 17:13, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

== Section naming ==

Just to say that somewhere, I chose "Pokémon with unobtainable movesets in-game" over "Pokémon with unobtainable movesets in the core games" because that can be read as "(Pokémon with unobtainable movesets) in the core games" instead of "Pokémon with (unobtainable movesets in the core games)", which frankly was what I initially did. And I chose "Single unobtainable moves" down at the spin offs because I'd like to avoid a list under a non-bottom layer headline, and because that is consistent to the section above. I'm ok with the current state as well. (And I agree it's iffy to strictly bind spin-offs by core games, but that's another discussion I guess). [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 16:59, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
:As for the former part, I don't think there's really much difference. Either way, "in the core games" is a very essential part of it.
:I don't know if the latter part really has any easy solution (maybe there could be something, but not what it was, at least), but we already do pretty much exactly that often/prominently enough elsewhere... Witness {{DL|Bulbasaur|Game locations}} and {{DL|Bulbasaur|In side games}}/etc. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 17:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
::For the difference, well, if it's "core games" as in "core series", Bandana Guy Noxy's Lotad, for example, is in line with the second reading from above but not the first one.
::I just didn't intend "single moves" to be "at most one per poke" necessarily, so that's my solution :P I can't think of anything else, and I wouldn't have mentioned it if I wasn't writing here anyway. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:06, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
:::Colo/XD/etc, I think I'm just going to cop out by saying, obviously they're in there (and meant to be), so take ''that'' interpretation. If I weren't a lazy sort most of the time, I might try to fix the section title to explicitly account for both; but at the same time, trying to do anything like that gets clunky too. Trade-offs. =P [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 18:58, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
::::Ok, imma stop throwing interpretations at you, I just wanted you (or anyone) to at least trade off against known info. (Also, one of the wisest trade-offs of all time. All time.) [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 19:21, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

== Generation I exclusive TM's and moves for Pokemon that can't use them elsewhere ==

Hi. I wanted to know if there was a list anywhere of '''Pokemon moves that can only be taught in generation I via TM that cannot be taught in any other generation or game''' since Pokemon Red, Blue, and Yellow have now been re-released and can be transferred via Pokemon Box. I want to use all my Pokemon Red TM's on Pokemon that can no longer use the moves anywhere else, like Skull Bash on Pikachu and Teleport on Mewtwo. Is there anywhere on this site I can find those out in one place? Is there a way to add that onto this page? Thank you.

[[User:Mcheetah|Mcheetah]] ([[User talk:Mcheetah|talk]]) 01:50, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
:Just look at the {{m|Reflect}} page (a lot of Pokemon only get it in gen 1 for some reason), and then [[TM#List of TMs]]. [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 02:18, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
::That's far too specific to have a single page on, just go to the individual Pokémon and move pages to find them.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:17, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

== Shell Smash Kommo-o ==

It is a fairly notorious oddity in the Battle Tree, so it should be listed. [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 07:58, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Similarly, apparently there was a Shuckle with Stockpile who also got fixed with the patch. [https://tcrf.net/Pok%C3%A9mon_Sun_and_Moon#Version_Differences] [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 18:06, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

== Smash Bros. Pikachu and Mewtwo ==
The section about Pikachu and Mewtwo in Smash should probably be removed or altered seeing as the gen 1 rereleases mean that Skull Bash Pikachu and Teleport Mewtwo are once again possible in the main games.

== Related to the move reminder ==

Since the move reminder can teach pokemon any level up move at any level, shouldn't there be a note at the beginning of the moves known at an early level section that says something like: "Unless specified otherwise, all of the errors listed are fixed in Generation VII due to the move learner being able to teach moves the Pokémon would learn at higher levels." [[User:CoolMan6001|CoolMan6001]] ([[User talk:CoolMan6001|talk]]) 01:31, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:I think the current method of noting it individually for each case is better, personally. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:41, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

== PI Carlos's Goldeen ==

Goldeen can know horn drill in Generation 4 (from breeding) regardless of its level, so why is PI Carlos's Goldeen on this page? [[User:Sumwun|sumwun]] ([[User talk:Sumwun|talk]]) 20:42, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

== Camper Branden of Route 111 ==

A user added a trivium to the [[Hoenn Route 111]] page that Camper Branden's Nuzleaf has Earthquake. I haven't confirmed it so I don't want to add it myself, but just noting it here so that someone can confirm and add it here. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:23, 29 July 2017 (UTC)A

==Move==
It is not known if these movesets are errors or simply the developers not intending consistency. I think it should be moved to [[Impossible NPC movesets]], or if this is confusing, then something on that line. [[User:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|RubyLeafGreenCrystal]] ([[User talk:RubyLeafGreenCrystal|talk]]) 02:59, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

== For Pokemon Quest, do I need to include the evolved forms too? ==

What I mean is, in this example, Caterpie can have Take Down in Quest. If I evolve it into Metapod, it becomes a Metapod with Take Down. Should I include Metapod too? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 01:35, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
:No, since the Metapod didn't ''learn'' it. That, and I think it would be common sense to think that if its pre-evolution can learn the move, its evolutions can also use it (if the move is not replaced).--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 03:59, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

==Squirtle==
https://old.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/8pvekb/gamefreak_you_never_cease_to_amaze_me/
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/960099-pokemon-heartgold-version/54403488 [[User:Muur1234|Muur1234]] ([[User talk:Muur1234|talk]]) 23:04, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
:Added this to the page, thank you. ''[[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen]] [[User talk:Frozen Fennec|Fennec]]'' 23:20, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
::It doesn't make sense under "Unobtainable until a later game in the generation". That means that it would be able to get Curse in gen 4 but it doesn't get it till gen 7? shouldn't it be under "Unobtainable for the generation"? cuz you can't have a Squritle with Curse in gen 4

Talk:Game move errors

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